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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:12,880 This is a film about people who make pots. 2 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:17,560 Big pots. 3 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,960 Little pots. 4 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,280 Cool pots. 5 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,520 Honest pots. 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,200 Even pots that don't look like pots at all. 7 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,360 All of them crafted by hand. 8 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,120 One person making one pot. 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,320 This was once how all pots were made. 10 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,360 But then came the factories. 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,120 The Industrial Revolution 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,080 had made Britain the richest nation on the planet. 13 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:55,120 But the strength of these factories was also a weakness. 14 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,400 Everything coming off the production line looked the same. 15 00:01:04,320 --> 00:01:06,400 Something had been lost, 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,760 and that was the artisan potter, and the hand-made pot. 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,080 So from the end of the 19th century, a fight-back began. 18 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:23,600 Not by politicians or reformers, but by potters. 19 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,600 They became known as studio potters, 20 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,280 men and women who made pots 21 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,560 that returned to the values that ran deep through the British psyche. 22 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,200 Craftsmanship and tradition. 23 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:43,040 Imagination and ingenuity. 24 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,280 It's the thrill of creation. 25 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:47,960 This came from somebody's hands, 26 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,880 and it ended that way because they wanted it to end that way. 27 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,960 And why did they want it? Because they thought it looked good. 28 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,760 They thought it had life. 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,120 By placing their work at the heart of the British home, 30 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,480 the studio potters were fighting for more than art. 31 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,560 They were fighting for the nation's soul. 32 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,760 If your heart doesn't get joy in making, 33 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,800 how do you expect people who use the things that you make 34 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,800 to have their hearts touched? 35 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,640 The story of ceramics in Britain in the 20th century 36 00:02:22,640 --> 00:02:23,920 is utterly compelling. 37 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:28,520 It's a story about intimacy, and national identity. 38 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:31,680 It's also a story of taste, 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,720 of how British studio pottery 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,680 would swing between revitalising the traditional 41 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,680 and a search for the new. 42 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:45,000 Craft was this sort of weird dalliance for an artist. 43 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,880 "You're interested in craft? How very interesting." 44 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:50,480 "That's dead, isn't it? Craft's dead, I believe." 45 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,200 Many of the potteries 46 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,160 of Stoke-on-Trent are deserted these days. 47 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,480 But in the 19th century, they were vast factories, 48 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:21,560 churning out cups, plates and pots to fill British homes. 49 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,720 Pottery workers were proud of their products, 50 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,640 which required some flair and creativity. 51 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,760 But the dominance of Stoke-on-Trent and its factories 52 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,040 meant pottery as a great artisan craft had mostly disappeared. 53 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,160 In the 1860s, a handful of determined young artists 54 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,480 decided they'd had enough. 55 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,600 Spearheaded by William Morris, 56 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,640 it became known as the Arts and Crafts Movement, 57 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,680 dedicated to reviving traditional craftsmanship. 58 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,400 And in its ranks it had a potter. 59 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:07,280 An enterprising young man named William De Morgan. 60 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:11,560 William Morris and William De Morgan were tremendous friends 61 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,600 when they were very young men, living in Bloomsbury, 62 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:16,000 quite close to each other, 63 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,440 and both enthused with the idea 64 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,120 of discovering lost skills in hand-making. 65 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:27,680 Morris went on to experiment with all sort of crafts. 66 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,560 But De Morgan was a bit more specific. 67 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,960 He was really concentrated on lost techniques in pottery. 68 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,280 De Morgan had trained at the Royal Academy schools, 69 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:43,240 but found them too old-fashioned. 70 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,760 In William Morris, he discovered a kindred spirit. 71 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,920 He worked for him until 1872, 72 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:53,840 when he founded his own pottery studio in Chelsea. 73 00:04:55,640 --> 00:05:00,920 His great passion was for Italian Renaissance and Persian designs, 74 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,360 but he also possessed a remarkably vivid imagination. 75 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:11,480 Inhabited by fantastical creatures, his pottery was also very English. 76 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,720 This wasn't ceramics from a dull production line. 77 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,160 This was art. 78 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:29,360 De Morgan was a great enthusiast for this sort of elaborate form 79 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,200 of leaves, fronds, flowers and creatures. 80 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,080 And this, I think, was more of an English thing than a foreign thing. 81 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,800 He somehow managed to fuse this love of Eastern decoration 82 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:48,640 with this very English, Victorian sense of rather whimsical humour 83 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,920 that you get in, say, Alice In Wonderland. 84 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,520 Lewis Carroll was a great admirer, not surprisingly, 85 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,360 of De Morgan's wonderful pots. 86 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,600 And beautiful as they are, they are fantastical creatures, 87 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,840 and somehow wonderfully Victorian. 88 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:12,000 De Morgan's works can still produce a sense of wonderment, 89 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,040 especially in a modern-day potter. 90 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:17,400 Well, this is the first time 91 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:20,120 I've had a William De Morgan pot in my hands, 92 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,360 and it's a wonderful moment for a potter. 93 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,840 It's extraordinary. It's so light. 94 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:31,960 It's a beautifully, beautifully balanced, lyrical kind of object. 95 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:36,240 But, and this is extraordinary, this is lustreware, 96 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,960 this is a pot where every single bit of shimmering iridescence, 97 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:41,880 all the way round it, 98 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:46,320 is a different kind of metal oxide that's been applied in a wash, 99 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,760 and each time that's been done, it's had to go through the kiln again. 100 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,320 So that there are four or five different firings 101 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,040 that have created this pot. 102 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,480 But it's un-warped, it's intact, 103 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,840 but beyond that, it's doing something quite extraordinary. 104 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:04,840 He's telling a story, but it's a simple story. 105 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:09,480 What he's telling is here, a small deer, in foliage, 106 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,120 just about to take flight. Hesitancy, a moment. 107 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,200 You can almost feel the breeze in this wood, 108 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:22,480 and so what this is doing is making the pot as a lyrical poem. 109 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,080 It's a great moment. 110 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:31,960 Today, a first rate De Morgan pot would fetch up to �100,000. 111 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,720 But in his lifetime, 112 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:42,520 his own enthusiasm was not shared by the public. 113 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,720 He achieved these enormously skilful effects. 114 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,760 Maybe they didn't fit the taste. 115 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,000 People were looking for something else. 116 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:58,600 They didn't want history, 117 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,720 they didn't want something which was too rooted in historical shape. 118 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,840 They wanted something which was now becoming more progressive. 119 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,640 But William De Morgan had achieved more with his pots 120 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,080 than he would realise. 121 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,320 They played a key role in establishing British ceramics 122 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,680 as more than just manufacture, but as an art form. 123 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,080 And if money was no object, 124 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,960 then there was no end to what an art potter could achieve. 125 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,240 Down in the West Country, a maverick nobleman, 126 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,280 aided by his loyal gardener, would show precisely that. 127 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,200 The magical pots known as Elton Ware reveal their maker 128 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,600 as a forgotten genius of British studio pottery. 129 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,960 In 1868, Edmund Elton married his cousin Agnes 130 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,560 and inherited the family's ancestral home, 131 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:02,000 Clevedon Court, outside Bristol. 132 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,480 Wealthy, and with time on his hands, 133 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,920 he could've chosen idleness over enterprise. 134 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,680 Instead, he taught himself to make pots. 135 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,480 He started off putting pots in the kitchen oven, 136 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,120 and the cook used to be amused. 137 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,280 He would come in, in the evening once the oven 138 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,200 had stopped being used for food, and would load up the oven with pots. 139 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,680 And he would give her some of the pots. 140 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:33,680 Well, that didn't go on for all that long, 141 00:09:33,680 --> 00:09:36,920 because after a while he built a small kiln in the garden. 142 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,800 He started off with himself and two boot boys, 143 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,040 so that he had two boys from the village, 144 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:49,360 and the elder of the two, George Masters, 145 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,200 became his absolute right-hand man. 146 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,200 There's a very nice piece in the Clevedon Mercury 147 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,320 in which Sir Edmund is saying, 148 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:03,720 if Masters was to go, the whole concern would collapse. 149 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:06,600 He was very hunchbacked, 150 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,560 but clearly he was immensely talented. 151 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:14,920 And Sir Edmund and George Masters became tremendous friends, 152 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:16,240 and colleagues. 153 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,680 They made an unlikely duo. 154 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:25,680 George Masters had been Sir Edmund's head gardener, 155 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,280 but he was now throwing pots, 156 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,200 which left Sir Edmund with time to concentrate on decoration. 157 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,800 Sir Edmund became a manic experimenter. 158 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,120 He developed highly sophisticated glazes, 159 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,760 often using gold and platinum. 160 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,400 They looked like nothing before, or since. 161 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,640 The actual work that he was producing 162 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,680 draws on some of the same sources 163 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:54,160 that other artist potters were producing. 164 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,840 But his ceramics are highly individual, 165 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,680 and the surfaces are almost unique 166 00:11:00,680 --> 00:11:04,680 in terms of their use of crackled lustre glazes. 167 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:07,720 Quite extraordinary, ethereal pots. 168 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,240 One of the major distinguishing characteristics of Elton Ware 169 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,440 are these glorious, jewel-like colours. 170 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,200 They're sort of peacock colours. 171 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,000 He clearly had a really good eye for colour, 172 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,400 and mixed them very creatively. 173 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,240 But this very high gloss, and, in fact, 174 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:29,240 if you can see on this one... 175 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,200 this wonderful peacock bluey-green, 176 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:37,800 and the floriated decoration is very pretty in this green, 177 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,680 and then the great splodge of gold at the top. 178 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,000 The colours are absolutely marvellous, 179 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,360 with this very, very high gloss. 180 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,560 And once you know it, it's unmistakeable. 181 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,080 Elton Ware received some commercial success, 182 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,080 attracting buyers in Europe and America. 183 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,920 But for much of his lifetime, 184 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,280 Sir Edmund's talents went largely unrecognised. 185 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,120 He died in 1920, 186 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,400 followed within a year by the ever-faithful George Masters. 187 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:18,840 Between them, they had produced a staggering amount of pots. 188 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,200 I met somebody only the other day 189 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,960 who said that his father was employed to break up 190 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:35,400 the enormous surplus still sitting in all the outhouses in the 1950s, 191 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,560 to form a foundation for the pigsties my uncle was then building. 192 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:46,040 Every cupboard, every bit of storage space, is stuffed with it. 193 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,560 Sir Edmund Elton, like William De Morgan, 194 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:53,760 offered an alternative to the industrial production line. 195 00:12:56,520 --> 00:12:58,480 Others also made their mark, 196 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,120 such as the Martin Brothers of Southall, 197 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,720 whose highly decorated wares showed a passion for the Gothic 198 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,200 and a dark humour that has always been a part of the British psyche. 199 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,680 But taste is a fickle mistress. 200 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:22,000 In the years following the First World War, 201 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,480 the Victorian fashion for the grotesque and the ornate 202 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,080 seemed dated and fussy. 203 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,480 As Britain struggled to recover from the trauma of war, 204 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,680 such frivolity appeared to belong to a long-lost era. 205 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,880 Life had gained a new moral purpose. 206 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,680 And a new generation of young artists 207 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,120 sought an authenticity to their work 208 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,560 that the frippery of the Victorian age seemed to lack. 209 00:14:04,680 --> 00:14:09,520 The fashion was now for pots that were timeless and useful. 210 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:16,840 And what was needed was someone who would revolutionise British pottery, 211 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,520 by producing handmade pots that were both attractive and practical. 212 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:25,800 Someone who would put the handmade pot 213 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,560 into the ordinary British kitchen. 214 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:36,080 Bernard Leach would become not only Britain's most famous potter, 215 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,200 but one of the nation's leading artists. 216 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,880 To clay, what Henry Moore was to stone. 217 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,080 But Bernard Leach's revolution in British pottery began 218 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,200 not within these shores, but on the other side of the world. 219 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,600 I was born of English parents in China, and educated in England. 220 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,160 By 21, I had heard a good deal about Japan, 221 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:06,400 and finally decided to go back to the Far East to find out, 222 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:08,640 if I could, something of its meaning, 223 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,640 and its different art and life. 224 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,720 For Leach, Japan offered an exciting vision of a society 225 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,800 untainted by the evils of industrialisation. 226 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,920 I came to believe that we can relearn from the East 227 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:29,280 much that we lost in the Industrial Revolution. 228 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:33,000 For the machine leaves out the heart of labour, 229 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,080 feeling, imagination and directness of control. 230 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,360 And I found that the craftsman is almost the only kind of worker left 231 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,840 employing heart, hand and head in balance. 232 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,240 Leach fell in with a group of young artists and intellectuals. 233 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,120 One of their pastimes was decorating and firing ceramic pots, 234 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,040 using a technique known as raku. 235 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:06,720 The evening that Leach joined in would change the course of his life. 236 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,480 There was a portable kiln with technicians available, 237 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,120 pots already formed, 238 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:18,520 on which these writers and actors and poets were invited to 239 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:23,240 draw a design. The technicians would then glaze them, 240 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,960 the pot would be fired in the kiln as the party proceeded, 241 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,280 and 30 minutes later, 242 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,520 it would be taken out of the kiln, and there was this pot. 243 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,520 Leach writes in his memoirs how totally amazed he was 244 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,200 by seeing how something, 245 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,440 the sketch he had done on this pot that was given him, 246 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,320 was transformed into this extraordinary object 247 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,120 that came out of the kiln red hot, 248 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,960 and you can imagine it was quite a dramatic experience. 249 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,640 He writes that is the moment he decided pottery was for him. 250 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,880 Leach was convinced he had seen the future for British pottery. 251 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,280 An Anglo-Oriental style that would recapture 252 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:05,440 the glories of craftsmanship lost to the monotony of the production line. 253 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,760 The challenge facing him was to achieve back home in England 254 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:19,240 what he had seen in Japan. 255 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,680 But returning to these shores proved a rude awakening. 256 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,240 He felt out of place. 257 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:34,880 Everywhere he looked, he saw the ugly, soulless modern world 258 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:36,640 encroaching on the countryside. 259 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:45,920 So when an offer came to fund a pottery in Cornwall, 260 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:47,880 Leach jumped at the opportunity. 261 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,680 In 1920, I had returned from Japan 262 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,800 with all that I had learnt during 11 years, 263 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:57,240 to start a pottery in St Ives. 264 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,880 It seemed an unlikely spot to ignite a pottery revolution. 265 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,000 He comes to St Ives for the first time, 266 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,240 he brings with him an idea of what English pottery should be, 267 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,320 and an idea of what Oriental pottery should be. 268 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,280 And then he has this great challenge 269 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,000 of trying to bring these things together... 270 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:27,520 ..to a public who have absolutely no interest at all 271 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:33,600 in this young, middle-class, odd, moustached Englishman. 272 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,000 It was a huge risk for a man with a young family 273 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:41,920 and no previous experience of running a business, let alone a pottery. 274 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:48,360 Production began in 1921. But things quickly started to go wrong. 275 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,880 The Leach Pottery from the outset was really 276 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,000 fraught with technical problems. They had to rebuild the kiln, 277 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:02,040 they had problems maintaining a high standard of ware. 278 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:07,120 And although Leach had arguments to suggest that 279 00:19:07,120 --> 00:19:11,160 perhaps these kinds of technical issues were not of prime importance, 280 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:16,240 nevertheless they affected the efficient running of the pottery 281 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,080 and its ability to actually be sustainable. 282 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,840 It wasn't a good start, and things didn't improve. 283 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,280 Leach had discovered, like many before him, 284 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,320 that it was fiendishly difficult to make a profit from pots 285 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:34,720 without a production line. 286 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,120 And yet his sense of what made a good pot was taking recognisable shape. 287 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:49,880 A pot is a living thing, its associations are markedly human. 288 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:54,040 We talk of the foot, belly, the shoulder, the neck and the lip, 289 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:59,320 and we intuitively feel a good pot's honesty, strength, nobility, 290 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,960 warmth, delicacy or charm, much as we do with people. 291 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:10,280 This stoneware bottle from that period is as alive in spirit 292 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,120 as the leaping fish that decorate it. 293 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,200 East and West are effortlessly brought together 294 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:19,520 to create something new. 295 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,000 Despite this, for the next ten years, 296 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,040 the Leach Pottery remained constantly in debt. 297 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,320 But Bernard Leach wasn't alone in finding the going tough. 298 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,440 The '30s was a decade that saw Britain as a nation hit hard times. 299 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,760 The Great Slump, as it became known, was the largest economic depression 300 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,960 experienced by this country in the 20th century. 301 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,680 It was little wonder Leach was struggling to make ends meet 302 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,120 through his pottery. 303 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:07,360 His traditional methods of production were admirable, but expensive. 304 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,240 On the verge of going out of business, his son David, 305 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,440 who had worked with him at St Ives since 1930, 306 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320 decided to take radical action. 307 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:22,920 While Bernard was away in Japan, for about 18 months, 308 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,480 David consorted with the enemy, really, 309 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,680 and went on a pottery manager's course up in Stoke-on-Trent, 310 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:33,360 finally learnt some practical nuts and bolts of how to make pots 311 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,960 and the technical requirements that were needed. 312 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,880 David made key improvements, 313 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,320 such as converting the kiln to being oil-fired. 314 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,200 Very soon, Bernard's idea of producing 315 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,920 a range of practical, honest pots became a real possibility. 316 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,360 From the late 1930s, Bernard and David Leach began to make 317 00:21:58,360 --> 00:21:59,880 what they termed standard ware. 318 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:03,640 Everyday pots for domestic use, 319 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,280 they captured the essence of Leach's philosophy. 320 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,880 And the business finally began to make money. 321 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,680 The Leach Pottery inspired others 322 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,320 to try and breathe new life into a lost art. 323 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,840 His first pupil at St Ives, Michael Cardew, 324 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,920 was also devoted to reviving the vernacular style 325 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,680 with his own useful pots, made in the slipware tradition. 326 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,960 They possessed a wonderful coherence, 327 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,000 with the body and the glaze united 328 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,520 by being fired together in a single kiln firing. 329 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,720 The transparent honey glaze enhanced and revealed 330 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,440 the warmth of the red clay itself. 331 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,320 But there was an alternative vision for British pottery. 332 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,040 William Staite Murray was an artist potter inspired by 333 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,880 the simple elegance of Song Dynasty Chinese pots. 334 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,280 Staite Murray believed that ceramics was the most radical art form, 335 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,480 and every bit the equal of painting or sculpture. 336 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,240 His pots were not useful. 337 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,960 They were for the art gallery, and priced accordingly. 338 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:38,720 He was a true artist potter. And he did the most wonderful work. 339 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:43,360 And I think one has to see him more as an artist. 340 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:47,440 He didn't try and set up a school of potters, 341 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:53,320 he didn't have an idea of pots in relation to lifestyle, if you like. 342 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,440 He was just interested in the piece of work. 343 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:03,240 He was a really important and incredibly impressive potter. 344 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,480 Together with Bernard Leach, 345 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,200 William Staite Murray achieved the extraordinary, 346 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,560 by turning the making of pottery into both an intellectual pursuit 347 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,800 and a serious artistic endeavour. 348 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,520 "A child may ask when our strange epoch passes, 349 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,120 "during a history lesson, 350 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:37,880 "'Please, Sir, what's an intellectual of the middle classes? 351 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,920 "'Is he a maker of ceramic pots?'" 352 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,160 But Leach's most significant production would come not with clay, 353 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,200 but with words. 354 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,240 In 1940, he published A Potter's Book. 355 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,600 More than just a technical manual, A Potter's Book was 356 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,040 a powerful assertion of the art and philosophy of the potter. 357 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:12,600 When it was published, it was regarded as the potter's bible, 358 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,960 because it describes, to begin with, the aesthetic approach. 359 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,280 It describes how to set up a pottery. 360 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,280 It gives you a bit of history, it tells you how to make clays, 361 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:33,480 how to make bodies, and so the whole thing is 90% a how to do it, 362 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,720 but it's all imbued with a rather elegant way of working. 363 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,040 If you just sit reading A Potter's Book, 364 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,560 especially the last chapter, which is a kind of idealised account 365 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,480 of his workshop, in which he is working in harmony with his sons, 366 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,520 and a few likely lads who have been trained up locally, 367 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:05,160 then you do get a sense of an art that's embedded in a moral framework. 368 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,400 1940, though, was not a good year to publish your first book. 369 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,720 But when the Second World War ended, the values of A Potter's Book chimed perfectly 370 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,160 with the mood of the new austerity Britain. 371 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,520 It had a massive impact in the post-war period, 372 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,160 because I think it offered something 373 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,200 that people felt had been lacking in their lives. 374 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:42,680 Perhaps it was a return to some form of simplicity, of a rural ideal. 375 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,160 You can imagine the power of this book 376 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,440 for servicemen coming back, coming back deracinated, footloose, 377 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,320 in need of a sense of direction. 378 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:59,400 You pick up this book and you know what you can do. 379 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,200 You can go off and become a post-war English potter. 380 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,520 Pottery has always been a communal activity, 381 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,880 and pots were made to serve a need at once utilitarian and aesthetic. 382 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,360 Today, in the background of mechanisation, 383 00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:16,160 the handworking potter is being 384 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,800 pushed away from utility, towards artistry. 385 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,440 And there is a danger of craftsmanship becoming 386 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,480 over-conscious and eclectic. 387 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,440 He came forward with a philosophy, 388 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,640 he came forward with an aesthetic view, 389 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,040 and that caught people's imagination. 390 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,280 For the next 25 years, he was the major guru of pottery. 391 00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:54,200 Leach's philosophy would come to dominate post-war British ceramics. 392 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,080 It resonated with the back-to-basics mood of the public. 393 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,800 Leach's production of standard ware had a huge influence 394 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,160 in the post-war period with a public 395 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,480 that had an interest again in peasant cooking, 396 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,680 in the recipes of Elizabeth David, 397 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,640 and further on into the 1960s and '70s, 398 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,320 in the whole countercultural movement that celebrated 399 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,680 the environment and vegetarianism. 400 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:28,840 And restaurants such as Cranks would use these kind of plates, 401 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,000 these robust stoneware plates, for their hearty vegetarian food. 402 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,560 Bernard Leach himself had become the standard. 403 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,120 The question, "To Leach or not to Leach?," 404 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,760 had been resolved, it seemed. 405 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,120 But the pendulum in British pottery was swinging once more, 406 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,400 this time away from the traditional and towards trying something new. 407 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,840 And a young Viennese woman and her devoted apprentice would bring 408 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,480 some welcome fresh air into 409 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,040 the brown world of British studio pottery. 410 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,240 I got married in the beginning of the '50s. 411 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,600 And when you're newly married, 412 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,840 you're going to start off on something new, 413 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,480 and you buy all your crockery and so on. 414 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:22,360 And I saw some extraordinary cups 415 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,360 and mugs in a shop in London, 416 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,160 which were unlike anything I'd ever seen before. 417 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,960 The elegant tableware of Lucie Rie 418 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,120 was much sought after by young homemakers. 419 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,240 But when she'd first arrived in London in 1938, 420 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,520 it had been a very different story. 421 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:51,640 So Lucie Rie, who comes with gold medals in European exhibitions 422 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:58,160 for her work, she arrives in England, and shows her work to Leach, 423 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:02,600 who says, "This is terrible, they're too thin, they're not proper." 424 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,120 And people don't get what she wants to do. 425 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,000 It doesn't fit the form of proper pottery. 426 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,120 Leach didn't say this, but what he meant was, 427 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,360 you've got to make pots like me. 428 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,480 So despite her renown in Europe, Rie tried to adapt her refined style 429 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,840 to the prevailing Leachian philosophy. 430 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:36,720 Bernard Leach became a great friend, but he didn't like my pots. 431 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,400 Only later, after my first exhibition, he liked them. 432 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:46,360 The first ones, I tried to follow Bernard Leach's rules, 433 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,240 make heavier pots. 434 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,720 Heavier shapes. Make earthenware that was uninteresting anyway. 435 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,800 Rie reverted back to the style she knew best. 436 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,720 And soon, there was no shortage of admirers for her refined pots. 437 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,400 Very simple. 438 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,160 But the delicacy with which the rim... 439 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,240 There's this lovely, lovely white. 440 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,320 The feel of the weight of the pot, and so on. And that shape. 441 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,240 That's a very... 442 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,680 You wouldn't find Bernard Leach producing a shape like that. 443 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,920 Um...and it has this, um, elemental beauty. 444 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,200 As David Attenborough's passion for her pots grew, 445 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,240 he found Rie herself just as captivating. 446 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,880 I have to say, I was always on my best behaviour 447 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,400 when Lucie was around. 448 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,680 She was utterly charming, and extraordinarily sweet, 449 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,560 but a marvellous, strong character who knew what her standards were, 450 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,000 and you wouldn't budge her from those by a millimetre. 451 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,840 Is that pink just the colour you expected? 452 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,720 Not precisely, but nearly precisely! 453 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,760 Her determination was legendary, as Attenborough was to discover 454 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,360 when he filmed with her in 1982. 455 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:19,920 There is a moment in her studio when she has been unloading a kiln, 456 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,760 and showing me what had come out, 457 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,440 and then she got right to the bottom, 458 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,880 which was quite a deep electric kiln, 459 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,680 and reaching for one of the pots, she got stuck. 460 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,920 We were filming away, and this was a long time she was down there 461 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,760 at the bottom with her feet on the top, 462 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,000 and eventually, this ghostly voice 463 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:44,320 from the bottom of the kiln said, "I think I am stuck, can you help me?" 464 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,600 Or something like that. Thank you. I got stuck. 465 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,000 And so I had to pull her out by the feet. 466 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,440 Afterwards, she said, "You won't show that, will you?" 467 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,600 Rie's work opened up new possibilities for British ceramics. 468 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,400 Pots could be cosmopolitan and modern. 469 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,480 But there was another man in Lucie Rie's life, 470 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,760 one who had turned up on her doorstep after the war, 471 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,000 looking for work. 472 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,640 He would, more than anyone, 473 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,600 take British pottery to another level, instilling it with 474 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:29,920 the confidence to be an expressive art, a sculpture in ceramic form. 475 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:34,520 His name was Hans Coper. 476 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,840 When Hans Coper came to her door in 1946, 477 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:52,120 it rapidly became clear that he was intelligent and ambitious, 478 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,800 and he said to her, "I want to become a potter." 479 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,440 He became a potter, and they then started to make pots together. 480 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,680 Coper was 26, Rie a 44-year-old divorcee, 481 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,000 yet they had much in common. 482 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,040 Both were Jewish, both forced from their homeland by Hitler, 483 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,600 and both had found a new life in London. 484 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,960 They understood each other, 485 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,040 and the bond between them would last for the rest of Coper's life. 486 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,520 And Rie remained his most passionate advocate. 487 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:35,280 Hans was really the superior guideline in more or less everything. 488 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,040 You mean, he looked at your pots and advised you? Yes. 489 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,520 Because he criticised. He was very correct and sharp 490 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:44,760 and to the point. 491 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:50,240 Did you criticise him? In the beginning, yes. But then, never. Why? 492 00:34:50,240 --> 00:34:52,240 There was nothing to criticise. 493 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,320 Lucie revered Hans as an artist to an extraordinary degree, 494 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,600 and diminished herself whenever she spoke about him. 495 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,840 "Oh, I am nothing, Hans was the talent". That is not actually true. 496 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,080 I mean, Lucie was a huge talent. 497 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,160 So was Hans, but they rubbed off onto one another. 498 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:25,080 Did she fall in love with him? Yes, she did. But it wasn't sexual. 499 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,040 But she fell in love with him, which was respectful, 500 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:34,080 and he respected and loved her in the same sort of way. 501 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,000 While Lucie Rie's work remained domestic and functional, 502 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,720 as Hans Coper's confidence grew, 503 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,880 he became increasingly sculptural in his ambition. 504 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,560 This piece, nominally a vase, 505 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,200 was made by throwing separate stoneware pieces on a wheel, 506 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,080 then altering and assembling them by hand. 507 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,280 Glazed in white, a black underlayer shows through in places. 508 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,200 It's a handsome vessel, 509 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,880 in a European tradition of sculpture as much as ceramics. 510 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,760 The only person brave enough to put flowers in a Coper vase 511 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:24,640 was Lucie Rie. 512 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,360 Hans Coper actually understands, right from the very beginning, 513 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,840 that ceramics don't belong in one place, 514 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,720 but can belong in a much, much wider scale. 515 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,600 In a different kind of environment. 516 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:44,560 And right from the beginning, he's interested in... 517 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:46,840 the architectural possibilities 518 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,680 of what he's doing, and this leads him to make 519 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,720 the most extraordinary architectural ceramics of the twentieth century. 520 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,040 The city of Coventry was devastated by heavy German bombing 521 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,560 in November, 1940. 522 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,080 Among the architectural casualties 523 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,240 was the 15th century St Michael's Cathedral, 524 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:17,280 reduced to a smoking ruin. 525 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,440 But Coventry would rise again. 526 00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,160 In the years following the war, a new cathedral would take shape, 527 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,000 under architect Sir Basil Spence. 528 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:43,480 And for the altar candlesticks, he turned to Hans Coper. 529 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,200 So you have to imagine, 1962, Basil Spence's cathedral opens up. 530 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,160 There's the windows, 531 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,640 there's this great Sutherland tapestry behind us, 532 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,720 and there is Coper enshrined on the high altar. 533 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,800 And they're pots. That's the extraordinary thing about them. 534 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,240 This is a vessel, you can see it's a thrown vessel 535 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:07,440 on top of another one, 536 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,400 down to here, and then another one down to there, and so on. 537 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:16,040 All the way down, threaded together on steel poles. 538 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,840 Somehow, he managed to keep that vigour going, even though 539 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:21,520 these are engineered pots. 540 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,480 You have to look, and there's the surface, it's abraded, 541 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,600 he's managed to put great surface into this. 542 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,080 There are marks of the wheel, there's marks here where he's turned it 543 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,760 very loosely, and then he's rubbed in oxides 544 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,960 and here's a bronzy glaze applied. 545 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,760 So they are absolutely pots. 546 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,440 This is ceramic sculpture that looks to other sculpture. 547 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:55,600 This is like Giacometti, this is like Brancusi, 548 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,080 this where ceramics belong, says Hans Coper, 549 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,680 and they are absolutely wonderful, wonderful things. 550 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,880 Down in St Ives, Bernard Leach, who had done so much to liberate 551 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,800 English pottery from the production line, was now an old man. 552 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,680 Yet in his final years, 553 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,080 it was his pots rather than his words 554 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,160 that once again caught the eye. 555 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,680 There's a wonderful freedom at the end of his life. 556 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:48,840 There are pots that he makes where he really is quite old and quite shaky, 557 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:53,760 and they don't obey the prescriptions that he has built up, 558 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,080 and they don't seem to channel any of the stories 559 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,560 and the dogmas that he has developed. 560 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,640 But they are very, very beautiful objects, 561 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,360 and there is the sense of someone who has spent 562 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,720 a whole lifetime making pots. 563 00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:11,640 Just making. 564 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,720 And I think that they are the best pots he ever made. 565 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,480 I see things in dreams sometimes, and when I wake, I think, 566 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,720 "Oh, that's only dreamland. 567 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:37,280 "Would that I could go to my wheel 568 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,360 "and try that dozen pots that came into my mind's eye." 569 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,920 How do you react when people talk of you as being great? 570 00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,360 There is an assurance that life 571 00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,560 has had some meaning for you, 572 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:59,000 that you have made some kind of contribution to it. 573 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,960 What more joyful thing can you think of? 574 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,080 When Bernard Leach died in 1979, 575 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,200 something of 20th century British ceramics also died. 576 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:18,440 He had towered over it for over half a century. 577 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:22,280 And in doing so, he had succeeded in transforming 578 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,680 the making of handmade pottery into a worldwide movement. 579 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,440 At the end of the '60s, 580 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,680 a mood of radicalism swept through Britain's cities. 581 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,840 The Summer of Love was over, and what many wanted was change. 582 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,320 What was good enough for your parents' generation 583 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,160 was now the very thing to be snarled at. 584 00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,840 And a new wave of potters rebelled with clay. 585 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,960 Alison Britton studied under Hans Coper 586 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,800 at the Royal College of Art in London. 587 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,600 She and others, such as Jacqui Poncelet and Carol McNicoll, 588 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,720 railed against Leach's narrow definition of a good pot. 589 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:24,400 In response, they would stretch ideas of ceramic form into new, 590 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:25,400 irregular shapes. 591 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,720 Their expressive pots came to be known as the New Ceramics. 592 00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,880 There were quite a few pots like funguses in the '60s, 593 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,920 or rock formations, and we were very against them. 594 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,360 That just seemed like a cul de sac. 595 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:57,320 We wanted much more allusion to European architecture, modernism, 596 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,160 saucepans, air vents, anything that was an exciting form was stimulus. 597 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,560 So Leach was probably horrified by what was happening in the '70s. 598 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:14,360 Alison Britton and her fellow firebrands wanted to shake 599 00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,880 British studio pottery out of what they saw as its creative torpor. 600 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,920 We began looking much more at colourful things that weren't green 601 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:28,040 and brown and things that weren't thrown, it just got much livelier. 602 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,840 That's my perspective on it. 603 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,480 Some people thought, "Oh, my God, 604 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,960 "they're losing all the... 605 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,480 "All the things that matter are being thrown away." 606 00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,240 But I felt that great things were found. 607 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,400 The potter's wheel was the first casualty of this new approach. 608 00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,120 One of the things that is very common in her work 609 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:51,360 is the use of slab building technique, 610 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,400 taking a big flat, piece of clay, maybe cutting it into a form, 611 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,880 and then building it, almost like someone modelling something 612 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:05,120 in cardboard. That gives the pots a kind of swerve, and a kind of lean, 613 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,720 and a dynamism that, of course, a thrown pot is not going to have, 614 00:44:09,720 --> 00:44:13,440 because it is of course symmetrical and it can capture a lot of motion, 615 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,160 but it's this motion, you know, whereas an Alison Britton pot 616 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,000 has this kind of motion, it goes where you don't expect it to, 617 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,880 it's like ten Leaning Towers of Pisa colliding in one object. 618 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,040 The other thing that the work of these potters called into question 619 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,680 was the function of function itself. 620 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,960 They were subverting not just the pot, the functional pot, 621 00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,160 but the whole idea of the woman as the homemaker, 622 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:54,120 as the person who's making and pouring the tea. 623 00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,160 And it links in to me very interestingly 624 00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:02,040 with what was happening in literature at that time, 625 00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:07,520 with the whole feminist outpouring of slightly crazy books. 626 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:11,200 I mean, these were wayward girls, weren't they, 627 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:17,280 like an Angela Carter heroine doing this completely subversive pots. 628 00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:24,560 Function was a kind of challenge word, in a way. 629 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,400 We thought, well, there are lots of kinds of function. 630 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,440 It's not simply about domestic function. 631 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,120 There's the function of visual delight, 632 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,320 there's the function of aesthetic pleasure, and so on, 633 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,800 and the function of objects that sort of represent something, 634 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,840 that are communicating. 635 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,520 There's something really cagey about Alison Britton's pots. 636 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,080 They are a little bit bigger than you'd expect. 637 00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,440 So you couldn't really lift them and use them very easily. 638 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,680 And they usually refer to some kind of form or some kind of function, 639 00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,560 so maybe pouring, or containment of some kind, 640 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:07,400 but they are never things that you would really want to use. 641 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,680 They are things that I suppose make your wheels spin. 642 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,560 And they are always a bit surprising, you know, 643 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,160 they are in some ways meta pots. They're pots about pots. 644 00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:32,240 By the end of the 20th century, British art was in rude health. 645 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:36,280 More assured, more provocative than ever before. 646 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:41,200 And studio pottery in Britain, more than in any other Western country, 647 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,000 was primed and ready to share the limelight. 648 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,160 Grayson Perry won the Turner Prize in 2003. 649 00:46:56,600 --> 00:47:00,240 Well, it's about time a transvestite potter won the Turner Prize. 650 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,160 He is an artist from Essex who rides motorbikes, wears dresses, 651 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,040 and makes pots. 652 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,120 I learnt pottery at evening classes. 653 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,480 I was living in a squat, I didn't have a studio, 654 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,120 so it was somewhere to keep my hand in. 655 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,920 I think I sold my first piece of pottery for, like, 35 quid, 656 00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,320 which was more than a week's dole money. 657 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,120 So I thought, you know, I thought the market 658 00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,880 at that price range was more likely to buy a piece of ceramics 659 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,880 than a bit of art. So it was purely pragmatic at that point, I think. 660 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,480 But then I very quickly learned that pottery was discomforting 661 00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,880 to my fellow artists, which was most appealing. 662 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,680 Edmund de Waal is a writer and potter. 663 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,240 His work is much sought after by collectors 664 00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:07,880 and galleries around the world. 665 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,560 I started making pots when I was five. 666 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:16,720 For some reason I got it into my head that this is what I wanted to do. 667 00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,720 There was an evening class and I persuaded my dear dad 668 00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,920 to take me to this evening class. 669 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:27,160 I remember throwing a pot on the wheel, this shape, 670 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,640 it was a kind of...it was a bowl, 671 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,320 and then I remember it being finished, 672 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,760 and everyone saying, "And now you're going to decorate it." 673 00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,000 And I went, "No, it's going to be white, I want it white!" 674 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,440 So I remember my first pot was this white bowl. 675 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,360 I coil my pots, in the ancient way of making sausages 676 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,840 and going round and building it up slowly, 677 00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,880 partly because I just never want to sit at a potter's wheel. 678 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,720 It ranks up there with finding myself holding a golf club. 679 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,600 What I feel when I'm making pots is just pure, pure pleasure 680 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:23,600 to be at my wheel. I mean, it is absolutely the best bit. 681 00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,960 Most of the kind of colour in my work is in the slip. 682 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,600 And I build up layers and stencils and carve the slip, 683 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:46,440 and so a lot of the imagery is fixed before it's even been fired once, 684 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,280 and I have one bucket of glaze. I'm not a fancy glaze person. 685 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:53,720 I have one bucket of glaze that I use as high temperature varnish, 686 00:49:53,720 --> 00:49:56,560 really, because, again, I'm working with an archetype. 687 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,200 I want people to look at my pots and go, "Oh, that's an interesting pot." 688 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:05,720 Not an unusual pot, an interesting pot. I'm not pushing the envelope 689 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:09,040 of what ceramics can be, that's what ceramicists do. 690 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:16,040 Edmund de Waal trained as a potter in the Bernard Leach tradition. 691 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,760 I set up my first authentic pottery in the Welsh borders, 692 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,720 and made Leach-y pots, very badly, I have to say. 693 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:28,040 No-one liked them, and they are pretty ghastly. 694 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:35,000 And I was in Japan, and that's when I started using porcelain. 695 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,160 I started to realise that porcelain did something completely different for me. 696 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:44,920 It had a kind of purity, a sort of exposed quality, 697 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,560 which I hadn't found in the rough clays I'd used before. 698 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,600 Grayson Perry is finishing a pot 699 00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:57,120 for his forthcoming exhibition at the British Museum. 700 00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:01,800 This is a picture of inside my head, in a way. 701 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:05,000 Well, I've never been to Africa. My idea of Africa, 702 00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,040 this entire continent and all these billions of people, 703 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,440 is just through the media. Which is, you know... 704 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,760 So I have this probably completely false idea of Africa in my head. 705 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:19,160 The two emotions I have when I think of Africa are guilt, 706 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,440 as a kind of white European, and fear, 707 00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:25,760 because of all the horrible, scary things that seem to happen there. 708 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,960 so I'm sure that's completely distorted, 709 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,920 but I thought it would be interesting to make a pot about it. 710 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,840 The idea of function in the work of both Grayson Perry 711 00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:48,880 and Edmund de Waal has moved on radically from the simple usefulness 712 00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,160 advocated by the likes of Bernard Leach. 713 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,120 The function of my pots is different. They function, 714 00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,240 in the sense that they're still vessels. 715 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:02,080 You could pour liquid into every single one of them, 716 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,120 and it wouldn't leak. 717 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,480 But that's a very kind of thin way of thinking about function. 718 00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:15,920 There's a piece recently I've done which is based around a Bach cantata. 719 00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:22,000 It's as functional as a teapot. It just functions slightly askew. 720 00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:29,520 Grayson Perry's pots are often not what they first seem. 721 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:34,160 You always feel lulled into a sense of decorative security 722 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,600 by looking at Grayson's work. 723 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:40,680 They're very pretty objects, but then of course the impact comes 724 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,240 when you look closely, when you see the decoration in detail. 725 00:52:45,240 --> 00:52:48,880 You see what the narratives are, 726 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,960 and messages that are quite dangerous. 727 00:52:55,240 --> 00:53:01,280 He is doing something which takes nerve. And I like it. 728 00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,280 So, do your pots have a function? 729 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,120 Do my pots have a function?! 730 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:17,640 Oh, God... 731 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:32,120 Keep me in motorbikes and dresses, that's the function of them. 732 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,640 Edmund de Waal's work in recent years 733 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,600 has become increasingly site sensitive, as he puts it. 734 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,600 In 2009, he was commissioned by the V&A to come up with a work 735 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:58,240 to mark the opening of its new Ceramics Galleries. 736 00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,760 He called it Signs and Wonders. 737 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:06,640 425 porcelain vessels coyly arranged on a red metal shelf 738 00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,840 beneath the dome of the museum's main entrance. 739 00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,800 It was really my kind of take on how you remember objects. 740 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,640 That you look at an object, 741 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,040 then you turn away and you remake it, 742 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,280 you make it as you remember it. 743 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:28,520 And it's got that sense of an afterimage, 744 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,400 of a memory of something that was there. 745 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:37,280 So it's my afterimage, my take on the Chinese pots, and the Meissen, 746 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,240 and the modernist pots in the collection. 747 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,160 I think what Edmund is trying to do is use a pot 748 00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,880 as something like a word in a sentence. 749 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,920 You know, on its own, it has a kind of self-evident quality, 750 00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,800 so you look at the one pot, but when it's put into that context, 751 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,120 it builds into something that feels like a short story, 752 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,760 or perhaps feels like a kind of narrative poem. 753 00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:11,600 There's an absolutely wonderful poem by Wallace Stevens, 754 00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:16,480 'I Placed A Jar in Tennessee', and the jar stands on the hill 755 00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,920 and is different from all the natural objects round it. 756 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,400 And it changes the whole of the world it's in. 757 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:27,040 And this, of course, is also a favourite poem also of Edmund's, 758 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,080 and I think he has now reached a time in his work 759 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,400 when he can place a cylindrical object 760 00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,720 and change all the things round it. 761 00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:42,080 His latest commission is on a more domestic scale 762 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:43,920 than Signs and Wonders. 763 00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:48,160 That's my coffee. That's not part of the installation. 764 00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,400 A centrepiece for a dinner table. 765 00:55:52,240 --> 00:55:56,480 It's wrong. I mean, the very first thing is that it's wrong. 766 00:55:56,480 --> 00:56:01,160 It's both too empty and too congested at the same time. 767 00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:05,840 And that's about scale, and it's about colour. And tone. 768 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,400 There aren't enough matt pieces in it, 769 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,720 that actually I'm going to need to make 770 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:14,160 a whole series of other pots again, 771 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,160 with one of the more quieter, softer glazes. 772 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,120 The competing forces in British studio pottery in the 20th century, 773 00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,920 of expression and function, 774 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,800 seem to come together in Edmund de Waal's work. 775 00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:35,320 If you think of 20th century ceramics as being built around 776 00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,360 an opposition between something traditionalist, 777 00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,480 that's Bernard Leach, and on the other hand, 778 00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,840 people like Lucie Rie and Hans Coper, 779 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,080 that looks like an insoluble contest 780 00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,880 between two completely different world views. 781 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,160 I think what you have in Edmund's generation, 782 00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:54,920 not just him, but many of his colleagues as well, 783 00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,920 is a resolution of that seeming problem. 784 00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,320 The understanding, really, is that the historical qualities 785 00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,000 of the Leach tradition, and the progressive qualities 786 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,160 that we might associate with someone like Lucie Rie, 787 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,080 can actually be forged into a unified style, 788 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,320 by creating these more complex narratives, 789 00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,520 around and through ceramics. 790 00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:26,680 The confidence displayed by British studio potters in the 21st century 791 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,880 is the culmination of more than 100 years of experimenting with clay, 792 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,000 making, by hand, thousands of pots. 793 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,080 Studio pottery has become Britain's greatest triumph 794 00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,920 in the story of modern art. 795 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:49,640 And today, our potters are amongst our most celebrated artists, 796 00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,680 a unique marriage of art and craft. 797 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,640 Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd 798 00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,680 Email subtitling@bbc.co.uk 70021

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