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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,000 The following programme contains distressing scenes. 2 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,880 I have a big secret. 3 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,600 It's been in my head for the last 30 odd years. 4 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:07,680 I was always just... 5 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,960 ...the seven-year-old who'd been kidnapped. 6 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,159 Nobody knew my name. 7 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:18,640 I was anonymous from the get-go. 8 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:22,999 I assumed that life 9 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,760 would continue just like normal. 10 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,999 But there's been a massive cost 11 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,840 to holding on to this for so long. 12 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,239 I'm pretty sure it was a weekend. 13 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,119 It was really sunny. 14 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:37,960 It was really warm. 15 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,839 I had these white roller boots on, 16 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,000 which were a couple of sizes too big. 17 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,720 My dad was in the front garden planting pansies. 18 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,480 To this day, I can't stand pansies. 19 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,359 I went out 20 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,399 to go call on a friend, 21 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:10,400 and I've lost control... 22 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,080 ...and donked my head. 23 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,559 My dad gave me a pound 24 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,280 to go to the local sweet shop. 25 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,120 But because we'd been living there not very long... 26 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,760 ...I got lost. 27 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,199 I saw a man, 28 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,200 and he was fixing his car. 29 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,200 And my dad's a mechanic, so... 30 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,639 ...because he was a mechanic just like my dad, 31 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,400 I asked him for directions. 32 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:51,519 He didn't even answer. 33 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,680 Didn't even think about it. 34 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,080 It was just instant. 35 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,919 He scooped me up, roller boots and all, 36 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,920 threw me into the boot of his car. 37 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,520 The car started moving. 38 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,360 I could see a can of WD-40. 39 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:18,919 There was also a hammer 40 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,840 in the boot of the car. 41 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,719 I started hammering 42 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:28,199 for all I was worth 43 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,120 on the lid and on the back. 44 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:37,479 I screamed that I would give him money 45 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,040 because I had the pound that my dad gave me. 46 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:46,079 And his only response was, 47 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,080 "Shut up or I'll kill you." 48 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,039 Inside the boot, 49 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,479 there was a hole, 50 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,199 about this big, 51 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,639 which I could see out of. 52 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,799 And I could see 53 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,720 the lights when he braked. 54 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,519 I started to... 55 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:15,959 ...untie my roller boots and slip them off 56 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,479 because I... I thought that 57 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,559 I might get the opportunity 58 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,199 when he opened the boot of his car 59 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:26,279 for me to... to jump out, 60 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,159 and I'd stand a better chance 61 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,440 if I was running and not with the boots still on. 62 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:37,440 It sort of felt like ages... 63 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,399 ...but it probably wasn't. 64 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,599 And then, when we got to Devil's Dyke, 65 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,919 he... 66 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,480 ...took me out of the boot of his car... 67 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:56,839 ...and he strangled me. 68 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,719 Then, he just disposed of me 69 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,839 like he was fly-tipping, 70 00:06:06,840 --> 00:06:09,919 just like I was an old mattress or something, 71 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,279 just thrown into a bush somewhere. 72 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,760 He left me, thinking I was dead. 73 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,959 That day, we'd been for quite a long drive. 74 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,799 We were doing a little bit of a touristy thing, 75 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:34,080 exploring a bit of the lovely Sussex countryside. 76 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,519 I was with my ex at the time, 77 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,919 we were in our mid-20s, and the sun was setting, 78 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,759 and I just thought, 79 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,039 it's such a great spot on top of that hill. 80 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,319 At that golden hour, we could sit up there quietly 81 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,720 and watch the sunset and watch the change of light. 82 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,239 And I remember there was another car there, 83 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,959 only about 50 yards away from us in the distance, 84 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:02,159 and I got a glimpse of someone 85 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,400 getting in that car and driving off. 86 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,319 Then, we were alone. It was quiet and still, 87 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:13,279 and I thought, this is a moment of peace. 88 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,920 When I woke up, it was dark. 89 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,199 I couldn't quite stand up. 90 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,440 My head was swimming. 91 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,159 And I was very, very dizzy 92 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,680 and I kept falling over. 93 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,960 I just remember it being really cold... 94 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,000 ...and knowing that I had to... find help. 95 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,880 When I finally came into a clearing... 96 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,080 ...I saw some headlights... 97 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,599 ...and my first thought was 98 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,359 that it was him again 99 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,000 and that he was here to finish me off. 100 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,360 But... 101 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:15,279 ...I realised that 102 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,999 if I didn't approach these headlights, 103 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:21,440 I'd die because I would freeze. 104 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,000 I saw her come out from behind this bush. 105 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,280 She was completely naked. 106 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,520 Kind of, hands like this and crying. 107 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,999 Mud all down her legs. 108 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:43,759 Her hair was all dishevelled, 109 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,800 blotchy red. 110 00:08:47,560 --> 00:08:49,919 There was blood in... 111 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:51,919 ...delicate places that I... 112 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,279 couldn't care to mention, 113 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:56,279 and looking up towards us, 114 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,240 and I jumped out of the car and ran towards her. 115 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,639 And she said to me, 116 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,880 "Are you gonna kidnap me?" 117 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,679 And I said to her, 118 00:09:08,680 --> 00:09:12,120 "No, we're here to help you, you're gonna be OK." 119 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,879 They must have been horrified 120 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,320 because I had no clothes on. 121 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,519 They wrapped a blanket around me 122 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,560 and sat me in their car. 123 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,120 The closest building that we could think of was the Golf Club. 124 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,959 I was getting a little bit panicked. I sort of thumped on the door. 125 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,200 I said, "Let me in, I need the phone." 126 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,639 I ran in and literally grabbed it 127 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,199 and dialled 999. 128 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,319 And I said, "I found a young girl in the bushes naked. 129 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:55,479 I need help, I need the police. I need the ambulance now". 130 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,279 It wasn't very long 131 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,720 before there were sirens coming in every direction. 132 00:10:02,680 --> 00:10:05,919 I remember the ride in the ambulance. 133 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,280 And then... 134 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,000 ...being at the hospital. 135 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,479 It was dreadful. It was surreal. 136 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,159 It was... It was... 137 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,199 something that will never come out of my head. 138 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,399 It was obvious to me 139 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,639 what had probably happened to her, 140 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,519 and I'd been aware of what had happened 141 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,280 at the Wild Park with the other two murders in that area. 142 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:49,280 I-I don't think that I was even... 143 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:56,080 ...aware of the murdered girls until... 144 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,720 ...much, much later than my abduction. 145 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:08,760 I... I was too young. 146 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,439 I don't remember when I found out 147 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:16,039 there had been two other victims. 148 00:11:35,680 --> 00:11:37,799 Living in Moulsecoomb, 149 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,440 it was a lovely atmosphere. 150 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:44,200 And it was safe there to play. 151 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,959 You know, in the garden or indoors or out, 152 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,600 you know, on the pavement. 153 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,280 Nicola, she loved being in Moulsecoomb. 154 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:01,159 She was just a normal little girl. 155 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:02,999 She was so loveable. 156 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,439 A little chatterbox sometimes. 157 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,039 She loved EastEnders. 158 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,159 And she loved Frankie by Sister Sledge. 159 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,360 ♪ SISTER SLEDGE: Frankie ♪ 160 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,799 ♪ Do you remember me? 161 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,000 ♪ Frankie, do you remember me? 162 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:23,519 ♪ Do you remember... ♪ 163 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,319 She loved that song, dancing around, 164 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,440 and Karen used to do it with her as well. 165 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,479 Karen lived two doors up. 166 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,359 They'd been friends for years. 167 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,039 They were always in the garden 168 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,840 or in our house or in Karen's house. 169 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,159 There was a particular day... 170 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,760 ...that's when it all happened. 171 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,319 Nicola had just come in from school. 172 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,119 She'd changed her shoes 173 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,239 and then she changed her frock. 174 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,560 Nicky was in the garden and Karen came along. 175 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,799 And then about 5:00 or just after, 176 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,000 Michelle came along to ask if I'd seen Karen. 177 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,439 I said, "Yes, she was playing across the road with Nicola," 178 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,519 and... but she said, "She's not there now." 179 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:26,719 And we thought they must have just gone down the road 180 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,000 to her other little friend that she usually plays with... 181 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:32,920 ...but no. 182 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,519 And then we saw one of the other boys 183 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:39,359 who lived, like, two doors up from us, 184 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,679 so we asked if they'd seen Nicky and Karen. 185 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:44,640 They said "I've seen Karen, she was playing on the tree in the park. 186 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,879 Nicky was there with her, 187 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,240 but she was hiding behind another little tree." 188 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,320 So, we rushed over to the park. 189 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,799 Didn't go right into it because it was really getting misty. 190 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,000 Then we shouted there. 191 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,719 There's something made me 192 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,999 feel weird in the park. 193 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,480 It was just the... the feeling. 194 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,439 It's something in that park that's daunting me. 195 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,039 When we were calling, calling, 196 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,239 and I thought, "No, we've got to do something now, 197 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,119 it's getting on to eight o'clock." 198 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,880 So, we called the police. 199 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,119 They were very, very good. 200 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,120 They came straight away. 201 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,439 'Fears began to grow when nine-year-old Karen Hadaway, 202 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,279 and her friend, Nicola Fellows, failed to return to their homes 203 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:01,159 on a Brighton council estate last night. 204 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,319 They were last seen shortly after six o'clock 205 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:04,999 outside a local chip shop. 206 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,999 At nightfall, their distraught parents 207 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,079 called in the police. Over 150 police officers 208 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,999 and neighbours of the girls' families 209 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,159 had been searching a large area of woods and parkland, 210 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,359 half a mile from the girls' home.' 211 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,119 I was a beat officer, so it would be 8 am. 212 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:24,159 I went in to book on, 213 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,519 and I was told, "You're not going to be on your beat today, 214 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,960 you're going to be doing house-to-house inquiries." 215 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,399 You'd look under beds, you'd look in wardrobes, dustbins, 216 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,480 everything to find two little girls. 217 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,199 Had she ever run away from home before? 218 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,480 No, she hadn't, it's very out of character. 219 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,479 So you don't think that they just ran away for fun? 220 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,559 No. If they are, they're up to something mischief, 221 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,319 but what, I can't think. 222 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:53,639 Come home, darling, please. 223 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,839 Daddy's not gonna tell you off, alright? 224 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,240 Just... Just come home, please, now. 225 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,279 'A helicopter was called in, 226 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,239 but as the hours passed, it seemed an increasingly slender hope 227 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:08,239 that the girls had run away and were hiding.' 228 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:16,199 Me and my brother, Kevin, got to Coldean Lane, Wild Park, 229 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,199 and the Evening Argus 230 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,279 were putting out posters of missing girls, 231 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,959 with the girls' photos on it. 232 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,959 So we started putting these posters up in shop windows, 233 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,319 in bus stops. 234 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,199 We thought, "We gotta do something. We've come from London, 235 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,400 we've got to do something." 236 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,319 There was a radio message saying, 237 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,400 "Can anybody check the verge of Wild Park?" 238 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,599 So, I searched all that and I couldn't see anything 239 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,000 and I thought, I'll have a quick smoke. 240 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,039 As I tried to light my pipe, this voice said, 241 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,080 "Oi! What are you doing?!" 242 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,319 The guy had a dog, which he said was a tracker dog. 243 00:16:57,320 --> 00:16:59,119 I knew him from the past. 244 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,919 He was a petty criminal, 245 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,599 he stole cars and did shoplifting. 246 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,319 And he said to me, 247 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:08,079 "We've been tracking all day, 248 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,520 but it's getting late now, we're gonna give up." 249 00:17:11,360 --> 00:17:14,360 So, I said to him, "No, no, we've got to keep looking." 250 00:17:16,360 --> 00:17:19,559 And he said to me, "Well, if I find them and they're dead, 251 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,599 I'll get nicked, won't I?" 252 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,640 And it was quite strange. 253 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,039 And at that point, 254 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:28,639 up on the banking, 255 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,079 these two boys suddenly appeared shouting, 256 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,039 "We found them, we found them!" 257 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,119 We started running. 258 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,759 I was right behind him, 259 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,399 and I got there and stepped 260 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,120 between him and the two girls. 261 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,199 They were there, as if they were sunbathing. 262 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:52,879 Nicola Fellows was on her back 263 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,479 with one knee up. 264 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,079 And Karen Hadaway was laying on her stomach 265 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:01,440 with her arm round as if she was asleep. 266 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,080 They were arranged like that. 267 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,119 They were cold as marble. It was awful. 268 00:18:10,120 --> 00:18:12,160 It was just awful. 269 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,799 'At 4:00 o'clock, the girls' parents' 270 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,679 worst fears were confirmed 271 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,399 when their bodies were found in a clearing at Moulsecoomb Wild Park. 272 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:25,559 One of them had been sexually assaulted, 273 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,520 both had been strangled.' 274 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,439 One of the police officers came and told me that, 275 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,319 "Yeah, she's been found." 276 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,519 And I said, "Oh, great, great," you know. 277 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,519 And I said, "Has anything happened to her?" 278 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,439 And when she told me, 279 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,880 I thought, "Oh, God." 280 00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,279 You know what I mean? I can scream sometimes and that. 281 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,599 I have done, really screamed, 282 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,240 on my own. 283 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:59,600 You know? 284 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,920 Losing a child is the hardest. 285 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,559 The Evening Argus dropped through my letterbox 286 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,239 in my home in Brighton, and it was front page news: 287 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,199 "Two girls found dead." 288 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,039 It was the most horrific thing. 289 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,240 They had been sexually assaulted. 290 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,519 As a court reporter, you get used to 291 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:34,199 reporting the most gruesome things. 292 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,240 But this was a double child murder. 293 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,639 "The Babes in the Wood" was the biggest story 294 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,399 in Brighton since the war. 295 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,079 It touched everybody 296 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,999 from every income, 297 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,319 every class, every walk of life. 298 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,399 They wanted to know who is this person 299 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,279 who lives amongst us who could've done this? 300 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,119 We found out last night that they'd been murdered. 301 00:19:57,120 --> 00:20:00,279 There were quite a few of us that were in tears. 302 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,199 You can't think straight. 303 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,639 And especially from my window, if you look through the top, 304 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,800 you can see them all over there. It is awful. 305 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,359 On the morning of Saturday the 11th October, 306 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:17,239 we arrived at Brighton Police Station in John Street. 307 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,719 I was struck by the numbers of detectives 308 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,239 that were going to be deployed on this investigation. 309 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,079 Right from the outset, 310 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:27,959 it was clear that it was going to be 311 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,600 a massive investigation. 312 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,959 Because of where the bodies of the two little girls were found, 313 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,999 it was a bit of a den, it wouldn't have been a place 314 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,479 that a stranger to that area would have been familiar with, 315 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,999 and therefore, this must have been 316 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:48,759 committed by somebody they knew. 317 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:52,479 Because, why would they have gone into there 318 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,960 with somebody who was a complete stranger? 319 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,479 'At this time tomorrow, two local schoolgirls 320 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,479 will retrace the last steps of the victims 321 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,279 in a carefully-planned reconstruction 322 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,160 which may help further in the hunt for the killer.' 323 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,079 The police went to Nicky's school, 324 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,839 and there was a girl in there, 325 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,479 and she was the spitting image of Nicola, 326 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,640 and she's the one that done the reconstruction of Nicola. 327 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,559 You know, where the girls were, and where they went. 328 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,879 'At 5:00, last Thursday afternoon, 329 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,839 the girls were playing with a group of friends 330 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:27,880 outside a neighbour's house. 331 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,119 Soon after, they made their way from Newick Road 332 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:34,079 here across the A27 to Wild Park.' 333 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,959 When they were doing the reconstruction of her, 334 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:40,720 they said, "It's uncanny." 335 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,719 They said, "God, she's like Nicola." 336 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,639 And I thought, "God, wish it was." 337 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,439 'At the Brighton incident room, 338 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,399 they're already dealing with the results of over 339 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,799 2,000 interviews and 1,200 phone calls 340 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,320 from members of the public.' 341 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,879 There were a number of individuals 342 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,559 that became known as persons of interest. 343 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,199 All of those people were eliminated 344 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,959 through the fact they clearly 345 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,320 weren't present in that area at the time. 346 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,439 Constantly, the evidence kept coming back 347 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,759 to one individual, 348 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,199 and his proximity 349 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,999 to all that was going on 350 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,440 in and around the time that the girls went missing. 351 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,680 Rachael was a free spirit, wasn't she? 352 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,879 She just enjoyed... 353 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,600 ...children's things. 354 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,080 She played across the road all the time. 355 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,479 They did their own thing. 356 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,919 Bicycles, skateboards, skates. 357 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,760 They had fun. 358 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,079 When she disappeared, 359 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,400 I'd assumed she was down with her friend two doors down. 360 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,119 They played together, 361 00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,079 so if you didn't see her, you assumed she was there. 362 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,199 My only knowledge that Rachael had gone 363 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,199 was when the police arrived. 364 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,040 I was mystified and panicking. 365 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,320 And lucky enough for me... 366 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,840 ...Jennie arrived home at the same time. 367 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,160 It happened so quickly. 368 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,279 When the police officer came, 369 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,440 and she just said, am I Mum? I said, "Yes." 370 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,440 And, uh... 371 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,760 ...that was when she said Rachael was, um... 372 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,320 ...in the hospital. 373 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840 And could I go? 374 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,120 Sorry, it's still raw now... 375 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,159 ...even after all these years. 376 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,799 When I first met Rachael at the hospital, 377 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,919 she was sat on the bed. 378 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,439 She had lovely blonde hair. 379 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,119 It had bracken and gorse in it, 380 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,799 and she had a number of scratches 381 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,879 that were even obvious as you walked into the room. 382 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,519 And I remember when Jennie got to the Royal Alexandra, Rachael's mum, 383 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,799 I needed her to not show 384 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,039 her upset and distress to Rachael, 385 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,799 because that could have closed her down 386 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040 and stopped her from talking to us. 387 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,239 Debbie said, uh... 388 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,719 "Try and be strong. 389 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,560 Try not to show... 390 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,120 ...any emotions." 391 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,560 She was sitting in bed with a colouring book. 392 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,999 And I just sat there with her 393 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000 while she coloured. 394 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,079 Apparently, the first words out of my mouth were, 395 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,960 "Look, Mummy, I'm colouring in Rupert Bear". 396 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,599 I was worried that she'd be cross 397 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,760 because I'd lost my brand new jumper. 398 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,720 That's what I was afraid of. 399 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,399 It could have easily have been murder. 400 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,279 Easily. It was just... 401 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,240 seconds away from murder. 402 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,959 I live in Brighton. 403 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,960 I'm a resident of Brighton. 404 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,239 I've got kids that are a similar age, 405 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,559 and this can be replicated across, 406 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,679 you know, so many people. 407 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,639 You know, there was a sense of urgency, 408 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,239 there really was, of having to get out there 409 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,919 and to identify this person as soon as possible 410 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,399 and to make sure he's arrested. 411 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,759 Rachael was able to tell us 412 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,159 that it was a red car, 413 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,400 and she said that it was a car with a boot. 414 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,039 And she told us what she did in the boot. 415 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,239 She hammered on the boot. 416 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,479 She also spoke about finding 417 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,199 a can of WD-40. 418 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,519 I think she referred to it as the same stuff 419 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,320 that her dad used when the car didn't work. 420 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,879 Debbie was passing information back to us 421 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,919 at John Street Police Station. 422 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,319 At that time, Rachael was seven-years-old. 423 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,599 That's all, seven-years-old. 424 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,319 She was just an innocent, 425 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,159 intelligent, articulate 426 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,240 seven-year-old girl, who met a monster. 427 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,199 The really important thing was that 428 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,919 she had said that it was a man, 429 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,079 and she had said that that man had a moustache. 430 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,320 Now, that's a really vital piece of information. 431 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,839 We then started doing a trawl through our intelligence. 432 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,399 We were going on for persons who have previous convictions 433 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,439 for indecent assault, paedophilia, 434 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,999 and any person that we suspected 435 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,480 were involved in offences against children. 436 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,879 The level of awareness that she had 437 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,399 in such a crisis 438 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,280 was quite incredible. 439 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,559 And then the information came through that... 440 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,519 a local man, 441 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,119 known very much to the police, 442 00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:51,079 had been seen driving around in a red car, 443 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,239 and this person had, in the past, been suspected 444 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,639 of serious sexual assaults 445 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,119 and violent crimes towards children. 446 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,639 It's weird, because... 447 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,239 on the one hand, 448 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,080 I know that it happened to me. 449 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,039 But, on the other hand, 450 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,360 it almost feels like a dream. 451 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,480 A psychologist told me that it's called disassociation. 452 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,479 Where you think this whole... 453 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,040 ...reality is just a dream. 454 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,879 I'm hoping by telling my story... 455 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,559 ...I will be able to put myself back in the now. 456 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,839 But... 457 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,799 there is still stuff that I don't know. 458 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,279 'In the days following the double murder, 459 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,239 conditions on the Moulsecoomb Council Estate, 460 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,119 where Karen and Nicola lived, 461 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,599 have been subjected to a kind of scrutiny they've never known 462 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,400 since the first tenants moved in here in 1936.' 463 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:29,359 Most individuals who are involved in a crime like this 464 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,199 don't ordinarily... 465 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,559 ...put themselves in a position where suspicion 466 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,479 thrusts itself on them. 467 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,680 But that's clearly what had happened in this case. 468 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,239 Right from the first minute, one individual 469 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,919 called Russell Bishop was always a person of interest. 470 00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,599 Everybody was saying, 471 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080 "Why is he doing this? Why's he done that?" 472 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,719 The significant thing was that Russell Bishop 473 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,759 was known to both families, 474 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,959 and he spent quite a lot of time 475 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,720 around the Fellows' home. 476 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,360 He was friendly with Nicola's father, Barrie Fellows. 477 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,240 So, the two girls knew Russell Bishop very well. 478 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,079 And we knew that there had been various sightings of Bishop, 479 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,839 in and around the Wild Park, 480 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,559 particularly between 5:15 and 6:30 481 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,759 on the evening of the 9th, 482 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,800 when the girls went missing. 483 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,159 And then, he put himself at the scene 484 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,000 during the course of the search the following afternoon. 485 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,319 I remember I had this conversation with Bishop 486 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,439 as we walked along the path, 487 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,400 where he said, "If I find them and they're dead". 488 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,439 You know, we never say that. 489 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,279 "If I find them and they're dead, I'll get nicked." 490 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,040 I mean, why did he say that? What made him say that? 491 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,519 And then, when the two girls' bodies were found, 492 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,519 he said that he got there 493 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,480 and felt their necks to see if there was a pulse... 494 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,359 ...stating that the bodies were "cold and stiff," in his words. 495 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,479 He then subsequently, in another statement, 496 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,520 said that he actually hadn't done that. 497 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,759 I was asked later what was his reaction, 498 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,119 and I said there was no reaction. 499 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,759 He just stood there. 500 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,200 He was pretty unemotional. 501 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,000 You know, it could have been a dead rabbit. 502 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,319 The evidence was becoming 503 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,919 more and more aligned with Russell Bishop. 504 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,119 When you have a briefing in a murder investigation, 505 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,879 you tend to go round the room 506 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,639 and deal with items of interest. 507 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,319 Now, one of the items of interest on this particular morning 508 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,639 was the fact that a witness had been seen the previous day 509 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,679 who described Russell Bishop as wearing a blue sweatshirt 510 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,960 on the evening that the two girls went missing. 511 00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,999 The Scenes of Crime Officer 512 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,639 left the briefing, 513 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,159 and a number of us remember it. 514 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,039 He went scurrying off 515 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,159 because he realised 516 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,999 that in the exhibit store, 517 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,360 he had seen a blue sweatshirt. 518 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,839 On the afternoon 519 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,519 that the search was still going on for the missing girls, 520 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,879 a man had seen a woman 521 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160 looking closely at a garment that was on the footpath. 522 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,719 The significant thing about that was that footpath 523 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,399 actually led up to the estate 524 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,880 where Russell Bishop lived. 525 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,240 That sweatshirt became hugely significant. 526 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,719 We identified fibres from 527 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,119 both the girls' sweatshirts 528 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,240 and the ivy spores. 529 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,719 The area where the two dead girls were found 530 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,920 contained a lot of ivy. 531 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,439 Now, of course, our job was to try and link 532 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,200 the sweatshirt to Bishop. 533 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,599 But in those days, we didn't have DNA. 534 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,639 We interviewed individuals 535 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,239 who were aware of Russell Bishop 536 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,639 spraying two cars. 537 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,839 One a Ford Cortina, 538 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160 and a Mini that he had painted. 539 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,759 The paint on the sweatshirt 540 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,480 was shown to be identical to that found on those two cars. 541 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,799 Two police officers took the sweatshirt 542 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,559 to Bishop's home address 543 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,279 to ask Jennie Johnson, his partner, 544 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,320 about the sweatshirt. 545 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,799 She was on her own because 546 00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,639 Bishop was being interviewed by Police 547 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,279 in John Street Police Station. 548 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,279 And the first thing she said was, 549 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,679 "Oh, you've brought Russell's sweatshirt back." 550 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,799 She then quite freely made a statement 551 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,079 that this was indeed Bishop's. 552 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,799 She had no idea at that time 553 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,880 the significance of it. 554 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,159 And suddenly, the whole case against Bishop 555 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,239 took off in a big, big way. 556 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,319 'The double murder of nine-year-old Nicola Fellows 557 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,720 and Karen Hadaway was a brutal crime. 558 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,639 On December 4th, Russell Bishop was charged 559 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,320 with the murder of the two girls. 560 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,879 Since that time, he's continued to deny both killings.' 561 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,840 Russell Bishop knew Barrie and Sue. 562 00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:48,240 He would play football with Barrie in Wild Park. 563 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,559 But that's when he really came into my eyeline. 564 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,400 When he was actually arrested and charged for the murders. 565 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,720 I thought, "Great. They've got him." 566 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,039 The funeral was the next big thing for us; 567 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,240 Nicky and Karen's funeral. 568 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,999 Because up to that point, the bodies were being held 569 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,480 by the police, weren't being handed over. 570 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,239 "We brought nothing into the world 571 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,639 and we take nothing out. 572 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,720 The Lord gives and the Lord takes away." 573 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,280 It was too moving. 574 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,839 Oh, God, I can see it now. 575 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,999 They were little white coffins. 576 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,919 Karen, 577 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,519 full of life and full of love 578 00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,600 and full of vitality. 579 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,919 And Nicky, 580 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,399 again beautiful, 581 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,360 again a gift. 582 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,320 Oh, God! 583 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,559 Oh, God. 584 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,999 Sorry. 585 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,759 It's just the look of it, 586 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,840 seeing it, and in my mind. 587 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,840 The coffin. 588 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,480 That'll never go out of your mind, does it. 589 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,319 There's a whole row of wreaths, 590 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,280 and amongst them was a wreath from the Bishop family. 591 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,200 We asked for that to be removed. 592 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,039 'Nicola and her school friend, Karen Hadaway, 593 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,639 were found murdered in October last year 594 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,799 in Moulsecoomb, Wild Park, in Brighton. 595 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,799 Both had been strangled 596 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,239 and Nicola had also been sexually assaulted. 597 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,279 21-year-old labourer, Russell Bishop, has denied killing them.' 598 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,279 From the first day of the trial, 599 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,959 there was wall-to-wall coverage 600 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,640 in the local media and in the national press. 601 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,040 There was a real edge to this trial. 602 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,999 We're now sitting in a public gallery above Court No.1, 603 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,039 and in the dock you can see Russell Bishop. 604 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,520 Opposite Russell Bishop, you've got the judge. 605 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,920 Underneath us was the jury. 606 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,719 The trial was nerve-wracking. 607 00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,559 I was the first witness up. 608 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,559 The questions were fired at me and that 609 00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,000 and I said so many wrong things. 610 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,479 Then the barrister said, "Right you can go and get down now." 611 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,519 So I got down and I cried. 612 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,559 I just burst into tears. 613 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,679 'This afternoon, there's been evidence 614 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,639 from Nicola's mother, Mrs Susan Fellows. 615 00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,239 She told the court that her daughter wasn't allowed to cross the busy 616 00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,999 A27 road to the park 617 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,039 unless there was an adult with her. 618 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,640 The trial here at Lewes is expected to continue for four weeks.' 619 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,039 We had high hopes of that trial. 620 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,999 "This evidence will prove this, this evidence will prove that. 621 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,919 You'll all come to the same conclusion we have. 622 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,800 This man is guilty." 623 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,280 The forensic evidence... 624 00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,919 ...was compelling, and there was no doubt 625 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,839 the case against Russell Bishop was a strong one. 626 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,159 'The strongest piece of forensic evidence, 627 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,799 the prosecution says, is a blue sweatshirt 628 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,919 found beside a path Bishop used 629 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,800 on his way home that night.' 630 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,839 On the defence side, Ivan Lawrence, 631 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,719 now Sir Ivan Lawrence, 632 00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,479 was one of the sought-after defence QCs at that time. 633 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,639 He'd defended the Krays 634 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,599 in some of the Kray trials, successfully. 635 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600 He was a wily fox. 636 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,359 I didn't know Bishop. 637 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,559 I didn't know whether he was innocent or guilty. 638 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,159 My role is to represent the defendant, 639 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,879 to test the strength of the prosecution case. 640 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,359 You don't feel particularly strongly necessarily about it, 641 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,600 you just look at it cold... 642 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,440 ...with the light of day, black and white. 643 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,520 There was evidence of the fibres on the sweatshirt. 644 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,919 That could have come from 645 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,520 the little girls' jumpers. 646 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,399 But, the evidence was that Coldean School, 647 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,599 which must have had hundreds 648 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,999 of green jumpers, 649 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,519 were all made up with these fibres. 650 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,519 So anybody on the Moulsecoomb Estate 651 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,759 who sent their child to Coldean School 652 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,400 would have been likely to have had the same fibres on their clothing. 653 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,879 And then, the evidence couldn't be relied upon 654 00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,799 because it was kicked about, 655 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,199 it was poked about by people that were finding it. 656 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,999 And there were some red paint marks, 657 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,040 and they were examined... 658 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,079 ...but this was the most common of all the paints. 659 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,799 Every shop had it, 660 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,479 and that must be added to the fact 661 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,799 that nobody who saw 662 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,199 Bishop spraying any car 663 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,280 ever saw him wearing a Pinto. 664 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,359 There was another one, was ivy. 665 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,239 "Ahh!" said the prosecution. 666 00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,399 There was ivy on the sweatshirt, 667 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,439 which was identical 668 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,239 to the ivy spores 669 00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,439 that there were in the den. 670 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,400 But then the prosecution had to agree... 671 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,600 ...that all ivy spores are the same. 672 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,199 And then Jennie Johnson. 673 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,000 Jennie Johnson was Russell Bishop's common-law-wife. 674 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,679 Jennie Johnson made a statement to the police 675 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,959 that that sweatshirt was owned by Russell Bishop. 676 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,359 And then in court turned around and said 677 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520 Russell Bishop never owned that sweatshirt. 678 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,679 She said to the court that she was forced to sign this statement. 679 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,720 The police forced her to sign it. 680 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,559 She lied. 681 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,759 And by doing that, she took Bishop out of that sweatshirt. 682 00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,159 Bishop's no longer in that sweatshirt. 683 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,759 And there's the problem. 684 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,200 This bit of evidence's gone down the tube. 685 00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,039 There was no evidence that could be relied upon 686 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,399 that the Pinto sweatshirt 687 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,560 had belonged to Bishop. 688 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,559 Of all the people who gave evidence, 689 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,799 and I think nine people gave evidence on his behalf, 690 00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,679 and a lot of people gave evidence for the prosecution, 691 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,239 none had ever seen him wearing that sweatshirt. 692 00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,079 There was no evidence 693 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,759 upon which any prosecution could rely 694 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,039 that Bishop had anything to do 695 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,320 with the killing of the two girls. 696 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,600 Nobody ever saw Bishop with the girls. 697 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,119 Nobody ever saw him going to 698 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,600 where they said the murders had taken place. 699 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,039 There was no evidence that Bishop 700 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,319 was with the girls 701 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,280 at any time prior to their death... 702 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,320 ...in the Wild Park. 703 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,239 The court process is very much about playing a game. 704 00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,680 It's not about a search for the truth. 705 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,319 Sadly, the price for that 706 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,359 is paid by the public, 707 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,839 and the victims, 708 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,600 and the victims' families. 709 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,559 If it wasn't Bishop, 710 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,160 could it possibly be anybody else? 711 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,519 I pointed out to the jury that the evidence 712 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,959 against Nicola's father was stronger 713 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,200 than the evidence against Bishop. 714 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,479 Defence Counsel Ivan Lawrence 715 00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,639 told the jury today that almost anyone 716 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,199 could have killed Nicola Fellows and her friend, Karen Hadaway. 717 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,159 He said that during the police inquiry, 718 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,199 nine people appeared to be suspects, 719 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,399 and Barrie Fellows was one of them. 720 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,640 He said it was not unknown for a father to kill his daughter. 721 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,159 You know, I wasn't accusing Nicola's father of having done it, 722 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,199 but you've got to be certain 723 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,839 of the evidence before you convict a man of murder 724 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,720 of two little girls. Dreadful murder. 725 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,719 The jury went out. 726 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,359 Two hours and ten minutes later, 727 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,440 we're getting told they have come to a verdict. 728 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,159 "On the count one: 729 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,839 The murder of Nicola Fellows, 730 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,159 do you find the defendant guilty or not guilty?" 731 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,080 "Not guilty." 732 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,079 Bang. Uproar. 733 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,759 All hell broke loose. 734 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,639 Inside there was commotion as a brother jumped into the dock 735 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,799 to embrace 21-year-old Bishop. 736 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,839 As he was pulled out, a fight broke out with Police. 737 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,839 The Bishop family, all shouting and screaming. 738 00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,759 We didn't hear the second verdict 739 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,079 because of this... this commotion that's going on. 740 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,479 There were loud cheers from Russell Bishop's family. 741 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,039 On the second count of murder, it was also "Not guilty." 742 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,599 'One of his brothers relayed the verdict.' 743 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,240 Not guilty, lads! 744 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,279 'Russell Bishop was saying nothing 745 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,479 and leaving in a waiting car to be reunited 746 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,439 with his girlfriend and their two children.' 747 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,999 The police nearly ruined a young man's life 748 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,919 and I hope they're proud of that 749 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,119 What's your word towards - the police then? - Disgusting! 750 00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,399 There was no investigation. It was a complete fix. 751 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,879 They discharged Bishop there and then. 752 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,639 We're sitting dumbfounded for a second. 753 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,440 You know, what's just happened? 754 00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,040 I was so angry. 755 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,520 I thought, but who the hell could have done it then? 756 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,640 In 1986... 757 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,080 ...I would have been... four. 758 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,360 I was living in completely the other side of Brighton... 759 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,999 ...blissfully unaware of everything 760 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,200 that was going on in Moulsecoomb. 761 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,199 I didn't know anything about the two other victims, 762 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,959 and I don't recall when I found out about them. 763 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,399 The Hadaways and the Fellows 764 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,240 needed to get justice for their... 765 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,039 ...two girls. 766 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,760 And I would have done the same in their shoes. 767 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,119 But over the years, 768 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,879 every time they 769 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,999 gave a press interview, 770 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,719 or there was something else in the media 771 00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,439 with relevance to them, 772 00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,199 it made it difficult 773 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,200 for me to sweep under the rug. 774 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,640 Because it never went away. 775 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,400 When Bishop was found not guilty... 776 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,760 ...I couldn't believe it. 777 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,840 We didn't know who murdered Nicky. 778 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,039 But if Russell Bishop didn't do it, 779 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,560 then somebody else did it, and I want to know who. 780 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,319 The Fellows and the Hadaways were determined 781 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,359 that this should not be the end of the murder hunt, 782 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,319 that there was still a killer at large. 783 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,320 And so they wanted to keep the campaign going. 784 00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,959 The Bishops were determined to front this campaign as a basis of: 785 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,199 "Russell Bishop is innocent. 786 00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,120 It must be someone else. Let's go and find this other person". 787 00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,359 Something major happened after the verdict. 788 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,079 The News of the World ran a story 789 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,079 on the Bishop Family about him being found not guilty, 790 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,879 and they were throwing allegations all over the place. 791 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,239 The News of the World, they were trying to frame Barrie, 792 00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,440 by any means possible. 793 00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,439 That's when they all went about Barrie. 794 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,199 That he could have done it, then. 795 00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,279 He's the one that done it. 796 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,360 He could have murdered his daughter. 797 00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,559 Barrie Fellows was an unloved 798 00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,400 character in Moulsecoomb. 799 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,280 He had no friends on the estate. 800 00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,519 His behaviour at the time the girls went missing 801 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,200 did him no favours. 802 00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,399 When he found out that Nicky had disappeared, 803 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,200 he sat down to eat his dinner before he got up to go and search. 804 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,639 A lot of people held that against him for a long time 805 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,559 as a sign that he did not love his child 806 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,000 and that he had something to hide. 807 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,239 One woman said to me, 808 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,519 "Barrie murdered his own daughter. 809 00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,999 I've got the proof." 810 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,399 "What do you mean you've got the proof? What's your proof?" 811 00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,000 "He stopped and had his dinner." 812 00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,400 Sorry, that's not proof. 813 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,679 The house, it was covered in graffiti. 814 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,359 "Murderer." "We don't want you here." 815 00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,240 "Get away." 816 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,799 We've already lost Nicola, 817 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,159 why have we got to go and put up with that sort of thing? 818 00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,199 Despicable people. 819 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,799 Has it been more hard to stomach in the sense that you've been 820 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,479 accused of possibly being involved in the whole affair? 821 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,959 Yeah, that hurts deeply, to think that anyone 822 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,999 could think that I killed my little girl. No way. 823 00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,879 No way. No way at all. 824 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,279 I deny it emphatically. 825 00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,279 I love that girl. 826 00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,999 It drove me and Barrie apart. 827 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,799 Wouldn't even let him near me, 828 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,119 because of what the people were saying about him. 829 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,839 So I kept thinking, 830 00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,040 "Did he do it? Didn't he do it?" 831 00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,360 You drop a pebble in the water, you see the ripples going out. 832 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,679 It cost Barrie and Susan their marriage. 833 00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,960 They couldn't live together after it. 834 00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,880 Karen's dad, Lee. 835 00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,720 The heartache and the agony... 836 00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,760 ...it cost him his life. 837 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,839 When I saw Nicky in the mortuary, 838 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,680 it hurt. 839 00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,679 It hurt like hell. 840 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,999 I used to wear a silver St Christopher. 841 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,839 I took it off and I said, 842 00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,080 "Can you put that around her neck, please?" 843 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,359 In my opinion, the Crown Prosecution Service 844 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,079 did not do their job properly. 845 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,679 They failed my family big time. 846 00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,839 Nigel said to me, "What are we gonna do?" 847 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,919 I said, "I don't know." He said, "I'll do anything for you". 848 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,120 So, it was put on his shoulders. 849 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,480 After that verdict came in "Not guilty..." 850 00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,839 ...that's when I made that promise to Nicky, 851 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,080 I'm gonna find the truth. 852 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,640 We wanted to see if we could profile Bishop. 853 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,199 We took the file to Charing Cross Hospital, 854 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,000 to the psychiatrist, and asked for his opinion. 855 00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:59,079 After about six weeks, he asked to come and see him. So we did. 856 00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,759 He said, "There's no easy way of telling you this, 857 00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,120 but you got a predator paedophile on your hands." 858 00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,839 "Pardon? What do you mean by predator paedophile?" 859 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,919 You can imagine how much that kicks you in the stomach. 860 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,800 Jesus Christ, what have we got on our hands here? 861 00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,519 He's already been found not guilty once. 862 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,360 He feels he's above the law. 863 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,919 He told us he will attack again. 864 00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,599 He will attack and kill again. 865 00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:38,199 '50 people set off in a march from Brighton's Wild Park. 866 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,319 As part of the protest, a petition was handed to the police, 867 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,360 calling for the case to be reopened.' 868 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,879 I'm adamant that my daughter's killer should be found. 869 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,359 I won't rest until this man or people are brought to justice. 870 00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,319 We want justice! We want justice! 871 00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,559 What do we want? Justice! 872 00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,920 Everybody! Justice! 873 00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,599 'Today, Russell Bishop was among those taking part 874 00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,320 in the demonstration.' 875 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,359 We walked down the town 876 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,079 to the police station and, you know, 877 00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,440 in our march, with him. 878 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,600 I thought, "That smirky little so-and-so." 879 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,799 On the walk, you got Russell Bishop, 880 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,239 wearing a hi-vis vest, 881 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:37,280 giving interviews to the media about whatever. 882 00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,959 He was trying to put himself as the innocent bystander. 883 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,840 "I'm the innocent man." 884 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,519 'I suppose some people might be surprised 885 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,879 that you're now linking up with the parents 886 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,759 of the two murdered schoolgirls, 887 00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,479 having been accused yourself of their murder.' 888 00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,319 People are very surprised. 889 00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,400 People keep on asking me why do I keep on and on and on. 890 00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,359 The fact is, I want to see this case reopened. 891 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,119 My name isn't cleared until someone else 892 00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,240 is brought to justice, the real person. 893 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,359 In my opinion, 894 00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,639 a murderer had got away with murdering two little children. 895 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,719 He will attack again. 896 00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,119 He had to be stopped. 897 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,720 Subtitles by Sky Access Services www.skyaccessibility.sky 67611

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