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The following programme
contains distressing scenes.
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I have a big secret.
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It's been in my head
for the last 30 odd years.
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I was always just...
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...the seven-year-old
who'd been kidnapped.
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Nobody knew my name.
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I was anonymous from the get-go.
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I assumed that life
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would continue just like normal.
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But there's been a massive cost
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to holding on to this for so long.
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I'm pretty sure
it was a weekend.
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It was really sunny.
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It was really warm.
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I had these white roller boots on,
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which were a couple of sizes
too big.
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My dad was in the front garden
planting pansies.
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To this day, I can't stand pansies.
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I went out
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to go call on a friend,
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and I've lost control...
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...and donked my head.
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My dad gave me a pound
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to go to the local sweet shop.
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But because we'd been
living there not very long...
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...I got lost.
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I saw a man,
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and he was fixing his car.
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And my dad's a mechanic, so...
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...because he was a mechanic
just like my dad,
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I asked him for directions.
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He didn't even answer.
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Didn't even think about it.
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It was just instant.
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He scooped me up,
roller boots and all,
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threw me into the boot of his car.
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The car started moving.
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I could see a can of WD-40.
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There was also a hammer
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in the boot of the car.
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I started hammering
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for all I was worth
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on the lid and on the back.
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I screamed
that I would give him money
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because I had the pound
that my dad gave me.
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And his only response was,
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"Shut up or I'll kill you."
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Inside the boot,
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there was a hole,
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about this big,
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which I could see out of.
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And I could see
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the lights when he braked.
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I started to...
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...untie my roller boots
and slip them off
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because I... I thought that
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I might get the opportunity
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when he opened the boot of his car
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for me to... to jump out,
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and I'd stand a better chance
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if I was running
and not with the boots still on.
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It sort of felt like ages...
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...but it probably wasn't.
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And then,
when we got to Devil's Dyke,
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he...
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...took me out
of the boot of his car...
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...and he strangled me.
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Then, he just disposed of me
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like he was fly-tipping,
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just like I was
an old mattress or something,
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just thrown into a bush somewhere.
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He left me, thinking I was dead.
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That day, we'd been for
quite a long drive.
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We were doing a little bit
of a touristy thing,
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exploring a bit of
the lovely Sussex countryside.
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I was with my ex at the time,
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we were in our mid-20s,
and the sun was setting,
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and I just thought,
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it's such a great spot
on top of that hill.
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At that golden hour,
we could sit up there quietly
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and watch the sunset
and watch the change of light.
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And I remember
there was another car there,
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only about 50 yards
away from us in the distance,
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and I got a glimpse of someone
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getting in that car and driving off.
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Then, we were alone.
It was quiet and still,
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and I thought,
this is a moment of peace.
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When I woke up, it was dark.
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I couldn't quite stand up.
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My head was swimming.
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And I was very, very dizzy
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and I kept falling over.
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I just remember
it being really cold...
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...and knowing that
I had to... find help.
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When I finally
came into a clearing...
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...I saw some headlights...
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...and my first thought was
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that it was him again
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and that he was here
to finish me off.
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But...
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...I realised that
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if I didn't approach
these headlights,
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I'd die because I would freeze.
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I saw her come out
from behind this bush.
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She was completely naked.
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Kind of,
hands like this and crying.
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Mud all down her legs.
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Her hair was all dishevelled,
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blotchy red.
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There was blood in...
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...delicate places that I...
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couldn't care to mention,
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and looking up towards us,
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and I jumped out of the car
and ran towards her.
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And she said to me,
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"Are you gonna kidnap me?"
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And I said to her,
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"No, we're here to help you,
you're gonna be OK."
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They must have been horrified
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because I had no clothes on.
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They wrapped a blanket around me
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and sat me in their car.
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The closest building that
we could think of was the Golf Club.
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I was getting a little bit panicked.
I sort of thumped on the door.
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I said,
"Let me in, I need the phone."
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I ran in and literally grabbed it
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and dialled 999.
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And I said, "I found a young girl
in the bushes naked.
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I need help, I need the police.
I need the ambulance now".
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It wasn't very long
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before there were sirens
coming in every direction.
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I remember
the ride in the ambulance.
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And then...
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...being at the hospital.
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It was dreadful. It was surreal.
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It was... It was...
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something that will never
come out of my head.
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It was obvious to me
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what had probably happened to her,
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and I'd been aware
of what had happened
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at the Wild Park with the
other two murders in that area.
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I-I don't think that I was even...
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...aware of the
murdered girls until...
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...much, much later
than my abduction.
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I... I was too young.
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I don't remember when I found out
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there had been two other victims.
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Living in Moulsecoomb,
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it was a lovely atmosphere.
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And it was safe there to play.
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You know, in the garden
or indoors or out,
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you know, on the pavement.
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Nicola, she loved
being in Moulsecoomb.
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She was just a normal little girl.
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She was so loveable.
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A little chatterbox sometimes.
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She loved EastEnders.
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And she loved Frankie
by Sister Sledge.
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♪ SISTER SLEDGE: Frankie ♪
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♪ Do you remember me?
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♪ Frankie, do you remember me?
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♪ Do you remember... ♪
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She loved that song,
dancing around,
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and Karen used to do it
with her as well.
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Karen lived two doors up.
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They'd been friends for years.
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They were always in the garden
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or in our house or in Karen's house.
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There was a particular day...
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...that's when it all happened.
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Nicola had just come in from school.
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She'd changed her shoes
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and then she changed her frock.
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Nicky was in the garden
and Karen came along.
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And then about 5:00 or just after,
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Michelle came along
to ask if I'd seen Karen.
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I said, "Yes, she was playing
across the road with Nicola,"
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and... but she said,
"She's not there now."
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And we thought they must have
just gone down the road
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to her other little friend
that she usually plays with...
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...but no.
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And then we saw
one of the other boys
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who lived, like,
two doors up from us,
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so we asked if they'd seen
Nicky and Karen.
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They said "I've seen Karen,
she was playing on the tree
in the park.
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Nicky was there with her,
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but she was hiding
behind another little tree."
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So, we rushed over to the park.
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Didn't go right into it because
it was really getting misty.
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Then we shouted there.
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There's something made me
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feel weird in the park.
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It was just the... the feeling.
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It's something in that park
that's daunting me.
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When we were calling, calling,
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and I thought, "No,
we've got to do something now,
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it's getting on to eight o'clock."
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So, we called the police.
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They were very, very good.
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They came straight away.
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'Fears began to grow
when nine-year-old Karen Hadaway,
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and her friend, Nicola Fellows,
failed to return to their homes
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on a Brighton
council estate last night.
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They were last seen
shortly after six o'clock
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outside a local chip shop.
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At nightfall,
their distraught parents
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called in the police.
Over 150 police officers
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and neighbours
of the girls' families
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had been searching a large area
of woods and parkland,
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half a mile from the girls' home.'
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I was a beat officer,
so it would be 8 am.
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I went in to book on,
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and I was told, "You're not
going to be on your beat today,
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you're going to be doing
house-to-house inquiries."
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You'd look under beds,
you'd look in wardrobes, dustbins,
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everything to find two little girls.
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Had she ever
run away from home before?
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No, she hadn't,
it's very out of character.
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So you don't think
that they just ran away for fun?
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No. If they are,
they're up to something mischief,
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but what, I can't think.
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Come home, darling, please.
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Daddy's not gonna
tell you off, alright?
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Just... Just come home, please, now.
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'A helicopter was called in,
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but as the hours passed, it seemed
an increasingly slender hope
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that the girls had run away
and were hiding.'
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Me and my brother, Kevin,
got to Coldean Lane, Wild Park,
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and the Evening Argus
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were putting out posters
of missing girls,
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with the girls' photos on it.
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So we started putting
these posters up in shop windows,
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in bus stops.
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We thought, "We gotta do something.
We've come from London,
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we've got to do something."
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There was
a radio message saying,
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"Can anybody check
the verge of Wild Park?"
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So, I searched all that
and I couldn't see anything
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and I thought,
I'll have a quick smoke.
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As I tried to light my pipe,
this voice said,
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"Oi! What are you doing?!"
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The guy had a dog,
which he said was a tracker dog.
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I knew him from the past.
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He was a petty criminal,
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he stole cars and did shoplifting.
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And he said to me,
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"We've been tracking all day,
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but it's getting late now,
we're gonna give up."
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So, I said to him,
"No, no, we've got to keep looking."
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And he said to me, "Well,
if I find them and they're dead,
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I'll get nicked, won't I?"
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And it was quite strange.
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And at that point,
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up on the banking,
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these two boys
suddenly appeared shouting,
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"We found them, we found them!"
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We started running.
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I was right behind him,
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and I got there and stepped
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between him and the two girls.
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They were there,
as if they were sunbathing.
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Nicola Fellows was on her back
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with one knee up.
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And Karen Hadaway
was laying on her stomach
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with her arm round
as if she was asleep.
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They were arranged like that.
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They were cold as marble.
It was awful.
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It was just awful.
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'At 4:00 o'clock,
the girls' parents'
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worst fears were confirmed
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when their bodies were found in a
clearing at Moulsecoomb Wild Park.
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One of them had been
sexually assaulted,
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both had been strangled.'
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One of the police officers
came and told me that,
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"Yeah, she's been found."
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And I said,
"Oh, great, great," you know.
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And I said,
"Has anything happened to her?"
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And when she told me,
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I thought, "Oh, God."
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You know what I mean?
I can scream sometimes and that.
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I have done, really screamed,
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on my own.
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You know?
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Losing a child is the hardest.
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The Evening Argus
dropped through my letterbox
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in my home in Brighton,
and it was front page news:
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"Two girls found dead."
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It was the most horrific thing.
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They had been sexually assaulted.
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As a court reporter,
you get used to
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reporting the most gruesome things.
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But this was a double child murder.
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"The Babes in the Wood"
was the biggest story
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in Brighton since the war.
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It touched everybody
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from every income,
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every class, every walk of life.
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They wanted to know
who is this person
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who lives amongst us
who could've done this?
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We found out last night
that they'd been murdered.
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There were quite a few of us
that were in tears.
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You can't think straight.
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And especially from my window,
if you look through the top,
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you can see them all over there.
It is awful.
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On the morning
of Saturday the 11th October,
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we arrived at Brighton
Police Station in John Street.
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I was struck by
the numbers of detectives
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that were going to be deployed
on this investigation.
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Right from the outset,
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it was clear
that it was going to be
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a massive investigation.
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Because of where the bodies
of the two little girls were found,
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it was a bit of a den,
it wouldn't have been a place
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that a stranger to that area
would have been familiar with,
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and therefore, this must have been
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committed by somebody they knew.
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Because, why would they
have gone into there
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with somebody who was
a complete stranger?
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'At this time tomorrow,
two local schoolgirls
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will retrace the last steps
of the victims
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in a carefully-planned
reconstruction
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00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,160
which may help further
in the hunt for the killer.'
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The police
went to Nicky's school,
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and there was a girl in there,
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00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,479
and she was
the spitting image of Nicola,
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00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,640
and she's the one that done
the reconstruction of Nicola.
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00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:21,559
You know, where the girls were,
and where they went.
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00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,879
'At 5:00,
last Thursday afternoon,
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the girls were playing
with a group of friends
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outside a neighbour's house.
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Soon after,
they made their way from Newick Road
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here across the A27 to Wild Park.'
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When they were doing
the reconstruction of her,
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they said, "It's uncanny."
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00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,719
They said, "God, she's like Nicola."
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00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,639
And I thought, "God, wish it was."
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00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,439
'At the Brighton incident room,
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00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,399
they're already dealing
with the results of over
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00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,799
2,000 interviews
and 1,200 phone calls
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00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,320
from members of the public.'
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00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,879
There were
a number of individuals
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00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,559
that became known
as persons of interest.
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All of those people were eliminated
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00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:07,959
through the fact they clearly
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weren't present
in that area at the time.
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00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,439
Constantly,
the evidence kept coming back
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00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,759
to one individual,
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00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,199
and his proximity
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00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,999
to all that was going on
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00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,440
in and around the time
that the girls went missing.
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00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,680
Rachael was a free spirit,
wasn't she?
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00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,879
She just enjoyed...
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00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,600
...children's things.
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00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,080
She played
across the road all the time.
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00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,479
They did their own thing.
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00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,919
Bicycles, skateboards, skates.
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00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,760
They had fun.
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00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,079
When she disappeared,
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00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,400
I'd assumed she was down
with her friend two doors down.
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00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,119
They played together,
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00:23:07,120 --> 00:23:10,079
so if you didn't see her,
you assumed she was there.
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00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,199
My only knowledge
that Rachael had gone
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00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,199
was when the police arrived.
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00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,040
I was mystified and panicking.
365
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:21,320
And lucky enough for me...
366
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,840
...Jennie arrived home
at the same time.
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00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,160
It happened so quickly.
368
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,279
When the police officer came,
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00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,440
and she just said, am I Mum?
I said, "Yes."
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00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,440
And, uh...
371
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,760
...that was when she said
Rachael was, um...
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00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,320
...in the hospital.
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00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,840
And could I go?
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00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,120
Sorry, it's still raw now...
375
00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:57,159
...even after all these years.
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00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,799
When I first met Rachael
at the hospital,
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00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,919
she was sat on the bed.
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00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,439
She had lovely blonde hair.
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00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:18,119
It had bracken and gorse in it,
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00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:20,799
and she had a number of scratches
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00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,879
that were even obvious
as you walked into the room.
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00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:28,519
And I remember when Jennie got to
the Royal Alexandra, Rachael's mum,
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I needed her to not show
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00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:36,039
her upset and distress to Rachael,
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00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,799
because that could have
closed her down
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00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040
and stopped her from talking to us.
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00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,239
Debbie said, uh...
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00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,719
"Try and be strong.
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00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,560
Try not to show...
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00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,120
...any emotions."
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00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,560
She was sitting
in bed with a colouring book.
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00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,999
And I just sat there with her
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00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,000
while she coloured.
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00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,079
Apparently, the first
words out of my mouth were,
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00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,960
"Look, Mummy,
I'm colouring in Rupert Bear".
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00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,599
I was worried that she'd be cross
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00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,760
because I'd lost
my brand new jumper.
398
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:37,720
That's what I was afraid of.
399
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,399
It could have easily
have been murder.
400
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,279
Easily. It was just...
401
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,240
seconds away from murder.
402
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,959
I live in Brighton.
403
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,960
I'm a resident of Brighton.
404
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,239
I've got kids
that are a similar age,
405
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:01,559
and this can be replicated across,
406
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,679
you know, so many people.
407
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,639
You know,
there was a sense of urgency,
408
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,239
there really was,
of having to get out there
409
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,919
and to identify this person
as soon as possible
410
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:12,399
and to make sure he's arrested.
411
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,759
Rachael was able to tell us
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00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,159
that it was a red car,
413
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,400
and she said
that it was a car with a boot.
414
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,039
And she told us
what she did in the boot.
415
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,239
She hammered on the boot.
416
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,479
She also spoke about finding
417
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,199
a can of WD-40.
418
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,519
I think she referred to it
as the same stuff
419
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,320
that her dad used
when the car didn't work.
420
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,879
Debbie was passing
information back to us
421
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,919
at John Street Police Station.
422
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,319
At that time,
Rachael was seven-years-old.
423
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,599
That's all, seven-years-old.
424
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,319
She was just an innocent,
425
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,159
intelligent, articulate
426
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,240
seven-year-old girl,
who met a monster.
427
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,199
The really important thing was that
428
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,919
she had said that it was a man,
429
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,079
and she had said that
that man had a moustache.
430
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,320
Now, that's a really vital
piece of information.
431
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,839
We then started doing
a trawl through our intelligence.
432
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,399
We were going on for persons
who have previous convictions
433
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,439
for indecent assault, paedophilia,
434
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:25,999
and any person that we suspected
435
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,480
were involved in offences
against children.
436
00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:32,879
The level of awareness that she had
437
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,399
in such a crisis
438
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,280
was quite incredible.
439
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:42,559
And then the information
came through that...
440
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,519
a local man,
441
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,119
known very much to the police,
442
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:51,079
had been seen
driving around in a red car,
443
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,239
and this person had,
in the past, been suspected
444
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,639
of serious sexual assaults
445
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,119
and violent crimes towards children.
446
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,639
It's weird, because...
447
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,239
on the one hand,
448
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,080
I know that it happened to me.
449
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,039
But, on the other hand,
450
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,360
it almost feels like a dream.
451
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,480
A psychologist told me
that it's called disassociation.
452
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:36,479
Where you think this whole...
453
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,040
...reality is just a dream.
454
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,879
I'm hoping by telling my story...
455
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,559
...I will be able
to put myself back in the now.
456
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,839
But...
457
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,799
there is still stuff that
I don't know.
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00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,279
'In the days
following the double murder,
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00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,239
conditions on the
Moulsecoomb Council Estate,
460
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,119
where Karen and Nicola lived,
461
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,599
have been subjected to a kind
of scrutiny they've never known
462
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,400
since the first tenants
moved in here in 1936.'
463
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:29,359
Most individuals who are
involved in a crime like this
464
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,199
don't ordinarily...
465
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,559
...put themselves in a position
where suspicion
466
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,479
thrusts itself on them.
467
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,680
But that's clearly
what had happened in this case.
468
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,239
Right from the first minute,
one individual
469
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,919
called Russell Bishop
was always a person of interest.
470
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:49,599
Everybody was saying,
471
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,080
"Why is he doing this?
Why's he done that?"
472
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,719
The significant thing
was that Russell Bishop
473
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,759
was known to both families,
474
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,959
and he spent quite a lot of time
475
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,720
around the Fellows' home.
476
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,360
He was friendly with Nicola's
father, Barrie Fellows.
477
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,240
So, the two girls
knew Russell Bishop very well.
478
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,079
And we knew that there had been
various sightings of Bishop,
479
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:18,839
in and around the Wild Park,
480
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,559
particularly between 5:15 and 6:30
481
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,759
on the evening of the 9th,
482
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,800
when the girls went missing.
483
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,159
And then,
he put himself at the scene
484
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,000
during the course of the search
the following afternoon.
485
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,319
I remember I had
this conversation with Bishop
486
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,439
as we walked along the path,
487
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,400
where he said,
"If I find them and they're dead".
488
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,439
You know, we never say that.
489
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,279
"If I find them and they're dead,
I'll get nicked."
490
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,040
I mean, why did he say that?
What made him say that?
491
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,519
And then, when the two
girls' bodies were found,
492
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,519
he said that he got there
493
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,480
and felt their necks
to see if there was a pulse...
494
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,359
...stating that the bodies
were "cold and stiff," in his words.
495
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,479
He then subsequently,
in another statement,
496
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,520
said that he actually
hadn't done that.
497
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,759
I was asked later
what was his reaction,
498
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,119
and I said there was no reaction.
499
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,759
He just stood there.
500
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:25,200
He was pretty unemotional.
501
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,000
You know, it could have been
a dead rabbit.
502
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,319
The evidence was becoming
503
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,919
more and more
aligned with Russell Bishop.
504
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,119
When you have a briefing
in a murder investigation,
505
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,879
you tend to go round the room
506
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,639
and deal with items of interest.
507
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,319
Now, one of the items of interest
on this particular morning
508
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,639
was the fact that a witness
had been seen the previous day
509
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,679
who described Russell Bishop
as wearing a blue sweatshirt
510
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,960
on the evening that
the two girls went missing.
511
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:01,999
The Scenes of Crime Officer
512
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,639
left the briefing,
513
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,159
and a number of us remember it.
514
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,039
He went scurrying off
515
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,159
because he realised
516
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:10,999
that in the exhibit store,
517
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,360
he had seen a blue sweatshirt.
518
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,839
On the afternoon
519
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,519
that the search was still going on
for the missing girls,
520
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:23,879
a man had seen a woman
521
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160
looking closely at a garment
that was on the footpath.
522
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,719
The significant thing about that
was that footpath
523
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,399
actually led up to the estate
524
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,880
where Russell Bishop lived.
525
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,240
That sweatshirt became
hugely significant.
526
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,719
We identified fibres from
527
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,119
both the girls' sweatshirts
528
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,240
and the ivy spores.
529
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,719
The area where
the two dead girls were found
530
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,920
contained a lot of ivy.
531
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,439
Now, of course,
our job was to try and link
532
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,200
the sweatshirt to Bishop.
533
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,599
But in those days,
we didn't have DNA.
534
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,639
We interviewed individuals
535
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,239
who were aware of Russell Bishop
536
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,639
spraying two cars.
537
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,839
One a Ford Cortina,
538
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160
and a Mini that he had painted.
539
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,759
The paint on the sweatshirt
540
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,480
was shown to be identical
to that found on those two cars.
541
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,799
Two police officers
took the sweatshirt
542
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,559
to Bishop's home address
543
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,279
to ask Jennie Johnson, his partner,
544
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,320
about the sweatshirt.
545
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,799
She was on her own because
546
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,639
Bishop was being
interviewed by Police
547
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,279
in John Street Police Station.
548
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:48,279
And the first thing she said was,
549
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,679
"Oh, you've brought Russell's
sweatshirt back."
550
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,799
She then quite freely
made a statement
551
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,079
that this was indeed Bishop's.
552
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,799
She had no idea at that time
553
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,880
the significance of it.
554
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,159
And suddenly,
the whole case against Bishop
555
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,239
took off in a big, big way.
556
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,319
'The double murder
of nine-year-old Nicola Fellows
557
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,720
and Karen Hadaway
was a brutal crime.
558
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,639
On December 4th,
Russell Bishop was charged
559
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,320
with the murder of the two girls.
560
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,879
Since that time, he's
continued to deny both killings.'
561
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,840
Russell Bishop knew Barrie and Sue.
562
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:48,240
He would play football
with Barrie in Wild Park.
563
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,559
But that's when he really
came into my eyeline.
564
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,400
When he was actually arrested
and charged for the murders.
565
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,720
I thought, "Great. They've got him."
566
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,039
The funeral
was the next big thing for us;
567
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,240
Nicky and Karen's funeral.
568
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,999
Because up to that point,
the bodies were being held
569
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,480
by the police,
weren't being handed over.
570
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,239
"We brought nothing into the world
571
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,639
and we take nothing out.
572
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,720
The Lord gives
and the Lord takes away."
573
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,280
It was too moving.
574
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,839
Oh, God, I can see it now.
575
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,999
They were little white coffins.
576
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,919
Karen,
577
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,519
full of life and full of love
578
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,600
and full of vitality.
579
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:52,919
And Nicky,
580
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,399
again beautiful,
581
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,360
again a gift.
582
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,320
Oh, God!
583
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,559
Oh, God.
584
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:09,999
Sorry.
585
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,759
It's just the look of it,
586
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,840
seeing it, and in my mind.
587
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:17,840
The coffin.
588
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,480
That'll never go out
of your mind, does it.
589
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,319
There's a whole
row of wreaths,
590
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,280
and amongst them was a wreath
from the Bishop family.
591
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,200
We asked for that to be removed.
592
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,039
'Nicola and her
school friend, Karen Hadaway,
593
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,639
were found murdered
in October last year
594
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,799
in Moulsecoomb, Wild Park,
in Brighton.
595
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,799
Both had been strangled
596
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,239
and Nicola had also
been sexually assaulted.
597
00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:08,279
21-year-old labourer, Russell
Bishop, has denied killing them.'
598
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,279
From the first day of the trial,
599
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,959
there was wall-to-wall coverage
600
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,640
in the local media
and in the national press.
601
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,040
There was a real edge to this trial.
602
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,999
We're now sitting in a public
gallery above Court No.1,
603
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,039
and in the dock
you can see Russell Bishop.
604
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,520
Opposite Russell Bishop,
you've got the judge.
605
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:32,920
Underneath us was the jury.
606
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,719
The trial was nerve-wracking.
607
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:39,559
I was the first witness up.
608
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,559
The questions were fired
at me and that
609
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,000
and I said so many wrong things.
610
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,479
Then the barrister said,
"Right you can go and get down now."
611
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,519
So I got down and I cried.
612
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,559
I just burst into tears.
613
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,679
'This afternoon,
there's been evidence
614
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,639
from Nicola's mother,
Mrs Susan Fellows.
615
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,239
She told the court that her daughter
wasn't allowed to cross the busy
616
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:04,999
A27 road to the park
617
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,039
unless there was an adult with her.
618
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,640
The trial here at Lewes is expected
to continue for four weeks.'
619
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,039
We had high hopes of that trial.
620
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,999
"This evidence will prove this,
this evidence will prove that.
621
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,919
You'll all come to the same
conclusion we have.
622
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,800
This man is guilty."
623
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,280
The forensic evidence...
624
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,919
...was compelling,
and there was no doubt
625
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,839
the case against Russell Bishop
was a strong one.
626
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,159
'The strongest
piece of forensic evidence,
627
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,799
the prosecution says,
is a blue sweatshirt
628
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,919
found beside a path Bishop used
629
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,800
on his way home that night.'
630
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,839
On the defence side,
Ivan Lawrence,
631
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:48,719
now Sir Ivan Lawrence,
632
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,479
was one of the sought-after
defence QCs at that time.
633
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,639
He'd defended the Krays
634
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,599
in some of the Kray trials, successfully.
635
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
He was a wily fox.
636
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,359
I didn't know Bishop.
637
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,559
I didn't know whether he was
innocent or guilty.
638
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,159
My role is to represent
the defendant,
639
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,879
to test the strength
of the prosecution case.
640
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,359
You don't feel particularly
strongly necessarily about it,
641
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,600
you just look at it cold...
642
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,440
...with the light of day,
black and white.
643
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,520
There was evidence
of the fibres on the sweatshirt.
644
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,919
That could have come from
645
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,520
the little girls' jumpers.
646
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,399
But, the evidence
was that Coldean School,
647
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,599
which must have had hundreds
648
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,999
of green jumpers,
649
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,519
were all made up with these fibres.
650
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,519
So anybody on the Moulsecoomb Estate
651
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,759
who sent their child
to Coldean School
652
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,400
would have been likely to have had
the same fibres on their clothing.
653
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,879
And then,
the evidence couldn't be relied upon
654
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,799
because it was kicked about,
655
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,199
it was poked about by people
that were finding it.
656
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,999
And there were some red paint marks,
657
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,040
and they were examined...
658
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,079
...but this was the most common
of all the paints.
659
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,799
Every shop had it,
660
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,479
and that must be added to the fact
661
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,799
that nobody who saw
662
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,199
Bishop spraying any car
663
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,280
ever saw him wearing a Pinto.
664
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,359
There was another one, was ivy.
665
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,239
"Ahh!" said the prosecution.
666
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:44,399
There was ivy on the sweatshirt,
667
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,439
which was identical
668
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,239
to the ivy spores
669
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,439
that there were in the den.
670
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,400
But then the prosecution
had to agree...
671
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,600
...that all ivy spores
are the same.
672
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,199
And then Jennie Johnson.
673
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,000
Jennie Johnson was
Russell Bishop's common-law-wife.
674
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,679
Jennie Johnson
made a statement to the police
675
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,959
that that sweatshirt
was owned by Russell Bishop.
676
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,359
And then in court
turned around and said
677
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Russell Bishop
never owned that sweatshirt.
678
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,679
She said to the court that she was
forced to sign this statement.
679
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,720
The police forced her to sign it.
680
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,559
She lied.
681
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,759
And by doing that, she took Bishop
out of that sweatshirt.
682
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,159
Bishop's no longer
in that sweatshirt.
683
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,759
And there's the problem.
684
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,200
This bit of evidence's
gone down the tube.
685
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,039
There was no evidence
that could be relied upon
686
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,399
that the Pinto sweatshirt
687
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,560
had belonged to Bishop.
688
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,559
Of all the people who gave evidence,
689
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,799
and I think nine people
gave evidence on his behalf,
690
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,679
and a lot of people
gave evidence for the prosecution,
691
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,239
none had ever seen him
wearing that sweatshirt.
692
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:12,079
There was no evidence
693
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:15,759
upon which any prosecution
could rely
694
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,039
that Bishop had anything to do
695
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,320
with the killing of the two girls.
696
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,600
Nobody ever saw Bishop
with the girls.
697
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,119
Nobody ever saw him going to
698
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,600
where they said the murders
had taken place.
699
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,039
There was no evidence that Bishop
700
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,319
was with the girls
701
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,280
at any time prior to their death...
702
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,320
...in the Wild Park.
703
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,239
The court process
is very much about playing a game.
704
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,680
It's not about
a search for the truth.
705
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,319
Sadly, the price for that
706
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,359
is paid by the public,
707
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:57,839
and the victims,
708
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,600
and the victims' families.
709
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:03,559
If it wasn't Bishop,
710
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,160
could it possibly be anybody else?
711
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,519
I pointed out to the jury
that the evidence
712
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,959
against Nicola's father
was stronger
713
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,200
than the evidence against Bishop.
714
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,479
Defence Counsel Ivan Lawrence
715
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,639
told the jury today
that almost anyone
716
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:26,199
could have killed Nicola Fellows
and her friend, Karen Hadaway.
717
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,159
He said that during
the police inquiry,
718
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,199
nine people appeared to be suspects,
719
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,399
and Barrie Fellows was one of them.
720
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,640
He said it was not unknown
for a father to kill his daughter.
721
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,159
You know, I wasn't accusing
Nicola's father of having done it,
722
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,199
but you've got to be certain
723
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,839
of the evidence before
you convict a man of murder
724
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,720
of two little girls.
Dreadful murder.
725
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,719
The jury went out.
726
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,359
Two hours and ten minutes later,
727
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,440
we're getting told
they have come to a verdict.
728
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,159
"On the count one:
729
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,839
The murder of Nicola Fellows,
730
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,159
do you find the defendant
guilty or not guilty?"
731
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,080
"Not guilty."
732
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,079
Bang. Uproar.
733
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,759
All hell broke loose.
734
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,639
Inside there was commotion
as a brother jumped into the dock
735
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,799
to embrace 21-year-old Bishop.
736
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,839
As he was pulled out,
a fight broke out with Police.
737
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,839
The Bishop family,
all shouting and screaming.
738
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,759
We didn't hear the second verdict
739
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,079
because of this...
this commotion that's going on.
740
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,479
There were loud cheers
from Russell Bishop's family.
741
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,039
On the second count of murder,
it was also "Not guilty."
742
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,599
'One of his brothers
relayed the verdict.'
743
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,240
Not guilty, lads!
744
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,279
'Russell Bishop was saying nothing
745
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:56,479
and leaving in a waiting car
to be reunited
746
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,439
with his girlfriend
and their two children.'
747
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,999
The police nearly ruined
a young man's life
748
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,919
and I hope they're proud of that
749
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,119
What's your word towards
- the police then?
- Disgusting!
750
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,399
There was no investigation.
It was a complete fix.
751
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,879
They discharged Bishop
there and then.
752
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,639
We're sitting dumbfounded
for a second.
753
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:17,440
You know, what's just happened?
754
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,040
I was so angry.
755
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,520
I thought, but who the hell
could have done it then?
756
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,640
In 1986...
757
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:42,080
...I would have been... four.
758
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,360
I was living in completely
the other side of Brighton...
759
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,999
...blissfully unaware of everything
760
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,200
that was going on in Moulsecoomb.
761
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,199
I didn't know anything
about the two other victims,
762
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,959
and I don't recall
when I found out about them.
763
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,399
The Hadaways and the Fellows
764
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,240
needed to get justice for their...
765
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,039
...two girls.
766
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,760
And I would have done
the same in their shoes.
767
00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:28,119
But over the years,
768
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,879
every time they
769
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,999
gave a press interview,
770
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,719
or there was something else
in the media
771
00:46:36,720 --> 00:46:38,439
with relevance to them,
772
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,199
it made it difficult
773
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,200
for me to sweep under the rug.
774
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,640
Because it never went away.
775
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,400
When Bishop
was found not guilty...
776
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,760
...I couldn't believe it.
777
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,840
We didn't know who murdered Nicky.
778
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,039
But if Russell Bishop didn't do it,
779
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,560
then somebody else did it,
and I want to know who.
780
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,319
The Fellows and the Hadaways
were determined
781
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,359
that this should not be
the end of the murder hunt,
782
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,319
that there was still
a killer at large.
783
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,320
And so they wanted
to keep the campaign going.
784
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,959
The Bishops were determined to
front this campaign as a basis of:
785
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,199
"Russell Bishop is innocent.
786
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,120
It must be someone else. Let's go
and find this other person".
787
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,359
Something major happened
after the verdict.
788
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,079
The News of the World ran a story
789
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,079
on the Bishop Family
about him being found not guilty,
790
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:57,879
and they were throwing
allegations all over the place.
791
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,239
The News of the World,
they were trying to frame Barrie,
792
00:48:09,240 --> 00:48:11,440
by any means possible.
793
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:15,439
That's when they all went
about Barrie.
794
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,199
That he could have done it, then.
795
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,279
He's the one that done it.
796
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,360
He could have murdered his daughter.
797
00:48:22,720 --> 00:48:25,559
Barrie Fellows was an unloved
798
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,400
character in Moulsecoomb.
799
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,280
He had no friends on the estate.
800
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,519
His behaviour at the time
the girls went missing
801
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,200
did him no favours.
802
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,399
When he found out
that Nicky had disappeared,
803
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,200
he sat down to eat his dinner
before he got up to go and search.
804
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,639
A lot of people held that
against him for a long time
805
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,559
as a sign that
he did not love his child
806
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,000
and that he had something to hide.
807
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,239
One woman said to me,
808
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:03,519
"Barrie murdered his own daughter.
809
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:04,999
I've got the proof."
810
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,399
"What do you mean you've got
the proof? What's your proof?"
811
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,000
"He stopped and had his dinner."
812
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,400
Sorry, that's not proof.
813
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,679
The house,
it was covered in graffiti.
814
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,359
"Murderer."
"We don't want you here."
815
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,240
"Get away."
816
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,799
We've already lost Nicola,
817
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,159
why have we got to go and put up
with that sort of thing?
818
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,199
Despicable people.
819
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,799
Has it been more hard to stomach
in the sense that you've been
820
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,479
accused of possibly being
involved in the whole affair?
821
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,959
Yeah, that hurts deeply,
to think that anyone
822
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,999
could think that I killed
my little girl. No way.
823
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,879
No way. No way at all.
824
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,279
I deny it emphatically.
825
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,279
I love that girl.
826
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,999
It drove me and Barrie apart.
827
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,799
Wouldn't even let him near me,
828
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,119
because of what the people
were saying about him.
829
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:11,839
So I kept thinking,
830
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,040
"Did he do it?
Didn't he do it?"
831
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,360
You drop a pebble in the water,
you see the ripples going out.
832
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,679
It cost Barrie and Susan
their marriage.
833
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,960
They couldn't
live together after it.
834
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,880
Karen's dad, Lee.
835
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,720
The heartache and the agony...
836
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:38,760
...it cost him his life.
837
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,839
When I saw Nicky in the mortuary,
838
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,680
it hurt.
839
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:51,679
It hurt like hell.
840
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,999
I used to wear
a silver St Christopher.
841
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,839
I took it off and I said,
842
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,080
"Can you put that
around her neck, please?"
843
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,359
In my opinion,
the Crown Prosecution Service
844
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,079
did not do their job properly.
845
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,679
They failed my family big time.
846
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:18,839
Nigel said to me,
"What are we gonna do?"
847
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,919
I said, "I don't know."
He said, "I'll do anything for you".
848
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,120
So, it was put on his shoulders.
849
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,480
After that verdict
came in "Not guilty..."
850
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,839
...that's when I made
that promise to Nicky,
851
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,080
I'm gonna find the truth.
852
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,640
We wanted to see
if we could profile Bishop.
853
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,199
We took the file
to Charing Cross Hospital,
854
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,000
to the psychiatrist,
and asked for his opinion.
855
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:59,079
After about six weeks, he asked
to come and see him. So we did.
856
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,759
He said, "There's no
easy way of telling you this,
857
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,120
but you got a predator
paedophile on your hands."
858
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,839
"Pardon? What do you mean
by predator paedophile?"
859
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,919
You can imagine how much
that kicks you in the stomach.
860
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,800
Jesus Christ, what have we got
on our hands here?
861
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:16,519
He's already been found
not guilty once.
862
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,360
He feels he's above the law.
863
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,919
He told us he will attack again.
864
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:23,599
He will attack and kill again.
865
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:38,199
'50 people set off in
a march from Brighton's Wild Park.
866
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,319
As part of the protest,
a petition was handed to the police,
867
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,360
calling for the case
to be reopened.'
868
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,879
I'm adamant that my daughter's
killer should be found.
869
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,359
I won't rest until this man
or people are brought to justice.
870
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,319
We want justice!
We want justice!
871
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,559
What do we want?
Justice!
872
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,920
Everybody!
Justice!
873
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,599
'Today, Russell Bishop
was among those taking part
874
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,320
in the demonstration.'
875
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,359
We walked down the town
876
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,079
to the police station and, you know,
877
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,440
in our march, with him.
878
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,600
I thought,
"That smirky little so-and-so."
879
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,799
On the walk, you got Russell Bishop,
880
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,239
wearing a hi-vis vest,
881
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:37,280
giving interviews
to the media about whatever.
882
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,959
He was trying to put himself
as the innocent bystander.
883
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,840
"I'm the innocent man."
884
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,519
'I suppose
some people might be surprised
885
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:52,879
that you're now linking up
with the parents
886
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,759
of the two murdered schoolgirls,
887
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,479
having been accused yourself
of their murder.'
888
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:59,319
People are very surprised.
889
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,400
People keep on asking me
why do I keep on and on and on.
890
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,359
The fact is, I want to see
this case reopened.
891
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,119
My name isn't cleared
until someone else
892
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,240
is brought to justice,
the real person.
893
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:14,359
In my opinion,
894
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,639
a murderer had got away
with murdering two little children.
895
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,719
He will attack again.
896
00:54:18,720 --> 00:54:21,119
He had to be stopped.
897
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,720
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