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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,400 Food - we eat nearly £250 billion worth every year. 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:11,640 But there's a problem. 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,880 All the tasty grub we eat comes at a cost to the planet. 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:21,080 Our food generates more than a quarter of UK carbon emissions. 5 00:00:21,080 --> 00:00:25,240 That is way more than driving or even flying. 6 00:00:25,240 --> 00:00:29,880 But unlike driving and flying, we simply can't live without it. 7 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,280 So how can we reduce the emissions in our food system? 8 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:38,280 And what will that mean for what we eat and how it's made? 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:43,400 To find out, we're investigating one of Britain's favourite foods - 10 00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:45,520 ready meals. 11 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,760 Oh, yeah! 12 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:52,240 Because making them involves every part of our complicated food system. 13 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,880 It is massive! 14 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,280 And in seeing how emissions could be reduced... 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,440 Wow. OK! 16 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,440 ..we discover that getting them to net zero 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,840 might be the biggest challenge the food industry faces. 18 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,240 I have to say, you're blowing my mind a little bit. 19 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,800 Michelle Ackerley investigates the tech that might 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,400 temper our taste for meat... 21 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:17,960 Oh, my word. 22 00:01:17,960 --> 00:01:21,680 ..I investigate the retailer's eco promises... 23 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,640 Does that cover own-brand ready meals? No. 24 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,920 ..and Fran Scott makes some shocking discoveries in our food bins... 25 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,720 Last summer I catch one of these bins, 26 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,200 maybe with 12 pigeons all dead. 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,200 ..all to find out if it will ever be possible to get 28 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,000 a net-zero ready meal and what that will mean for us 29 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,920 and the price of our food. 30 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,880 Ready meals - 90% of us eat them. 31 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,880 Tens of millions of us enjoy them every single week. 32 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,920 Hi, there, I'm Justin from the BBC. I think they're expecting me. 33 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,680 Oh, hi. Yes... Thank you. 34 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,600 But how are they made? 35 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,120 This is the latest and most innovative food processing 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,040 and packaging technology. 37 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,880 These contraptions that slice, dice, 38 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,120 grind, portion and pack 39 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,800 make those oh-so-convenient ready meals the pinnacle 40 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,480 of modern food manufacturing. 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,000 MULTIVAC are one of the companies that make the machines 42 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,040 that make ready meals. 43 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,000 I'm meeting Liam Smith, head of product management here. 44 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:41,120 Hi, Justin. Nice to meet you. So, I've got a challenge for you. 45 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Now, I've given this a little bit of thought and I've come up with 46 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,280 my own concept. It's interesting. This is my meal concept, 47 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:48,800 Justin Time For Dinner. 48 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,480 I've actually thought up a little jingle. 49 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,480 LIAM CHUCKLES 50 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,480 So... 51 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,000 "If it's dinner time, it's Justin Time." 52 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,480 Of course it is. I like it. Yeah. JUSTIN LAUGHS 53 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:58,760 It's strong, isn't it? Absolutely. 54 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,400 The meal I want to make is sausage mash and peas with gravy. OK. 55 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,840 What I'd like is a delicious meal, but also as close to net zero 56 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,560 as we can get it. Can you help me, Liam? 57 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,000 Let's take a look at some of the machines. 58 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,000 Probably starting with our Laska grinder system. 59 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:16,280 To make my sausage and mash ready meal, Liam is going to unleash some 60 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,800 of his state-of-the-art food processing machines. 61 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,480 First up... 62 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:23,520 Wow. 63 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:24,560 ..the meat grinder. 64 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,480 So, what's this machine? 65 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,880 This is where we can add your special ingredients 66 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,400 and put it all together into the mix. 67 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,600 So, let's get these special spices in just in time. 68 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,120 Big machines like these, used up and down the country 69 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,360 to make ready meals, use a lot of power. 70 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,920 And food manufacturers across the industry 71 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:55,040 are looking for ways to reduce their CO2 emissions. 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:04:00,400 That's why Liam's latest tech has been redesigned to reduce 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,080 the power it uses. 74 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,920 So, recently with this machine, we changed the motor design, 75 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,160 reduced the power consumption by 30%. 76 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:11,560 So, it's trying to eek away at every little saving you can get. 77 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:15,000 Bit by bit, to try and eek away at those CO2 savings. 78 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,800 Time for machine number three. 79 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,760 Yeah, let's make sausages. What do I do? 80 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,280 Go for it, Justin. So, I push this lever here? 81 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:27,200 Push that lever with your knee. Simple as that. 82 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:28,800 Oh, there we go. Look at that. 83 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,440 So satisfying! 84 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,120 Yeah, it's looking good, isn't it? 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:34,080 Remember, if it's dinner time... 86 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,680 It's Justin Time. ..it's Justin 87 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,680 Time! That's it, Liam! 88 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,680 LIAM LAUGHS 89 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,880 It is unforgettable, isn't it? 90 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,760 Sausages made, now for the mash... 91 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,040 ..and ANOTHER machine. 92 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,000 Now, we've got to the stage where we are... 93 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:47,960 We're packing Justin Time For Dinner, aren't we? 94 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,360 Yes, this is where we can semi-automatically 95 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,960 put the mashed potato into Justin's Dinner. 96 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,480 Look at that. You press go. Easy, isn't it? 97 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,920 Bangers and mash...Justin Time. 98 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,080 Ready meals are still as popular as ever. 99 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,520 And no wonder, because machines that work this fast 100 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,440 help some ready meals to be sold for as little as a pound. 101 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,920 It is kind of magical to see a production line working, isn't it? 102 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,280 Yeah. Stand-alone machines are one thing, but when you bolt them 103 00:05:22,280 --> 00:05:24,880 all together, that's where you get the ultimate efficiency. 104 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,360 That speed doesn't just mean low prices, 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,080 but lower carbon emissions, too. 106 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,520 So, kind of hidden in carbon reduction is speed. 107 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,280 So, if we're able to make a full line run faster using 108 00:05:37,280 --> 00:05:40,320 the automation that we've got just here, we can reduce the time 109 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,520 that we're running, reducing our carbon emissions. 110 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,480 So, the quicker you do it, the less carbon you're going to use... 111 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,280 Exactly. ..the less time you need to run your factory. 112 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,520 So, if we've got a factory that's running Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 113 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,840 Thursday, Friday, Saturday, that 20% reduction means we can knock 114 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:56,120 an entire shift off. So they don't have to bring staff in. 115 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,400 Need the lights on... Refrigeration, air conditioning, 116 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:59,480 we can remove all that. 117 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,080 So, that is part of your effort to drive down emissions? Yes. 118 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,320 That's one way we can bring in carbon reduction 119 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,280 in quite a stealthily way, through speed. 120 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:09,520 And that's what you're seeing here on this line. 121 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Ready meals are sometimes criticised 122 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,000 as being ultra-processed food 123 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,680 and unhealthy, but we still love them, spending a whopping 124 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,520 £3.9 billion on them every year. 125 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,920 And they cause up to 16% of the greenhouse gas emissions 126 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,640 from our food and drink industry. 127 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:36,040 The Government has committed to making the UK net zero by 2050, 128 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:41,520 meaning we emit no more carbon dioxide than we can absorb back. 129 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,040 But the food industry has a plan. 130 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,360 Amazingly, like the rest of the economy, 131 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,320 food companies say they will be net zero by 2050, 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,920 and they say the ready meal, that marvel of modern food production, 133 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,520 will be carbon neutral in just 25 years. 134 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,000 But is it possible? 135 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,440 We are going to investigate 136 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:08,480 all stages of a ready meal's life, 137 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,520 from agriculture to manufacturing 138 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,320 and processing, packaging, 139 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,680 retail, even the home, 140 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,560 to look at how we can hope to reduce emissions, 141 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,760 starting at where we get them 142 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,240 in the first place. 143 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,920 This is a Tesco distribution centre in Avonmouth, just outside Bristol. 144 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:34,960 It serves more than 300 stores in Wales 145 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,800 and the South West of England. 146 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,000 And just look at it. It is massive! 147 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:46,560 If you've ever bought a ready meal from a supermarket, 148 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,440 it will have moved through a place like this. 149 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,920 And there is another crucial fact 150 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,320 about this distribution centre. 151 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,840 Ooh. 152 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:03,640 It's cold. 153 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:05,480 It's actually really, really cold 154 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,160 because this entire place 155 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,960 is one giant refrigerator. 156 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,520 Tesco, Britain's biggest supermarket, 157 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:27,520 has 11 of these chilled distribution centres across the UK. 158 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,920 It is part of what is called the cold chain, the crucial system 159 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:40,080 that keeps their chilled and frozen shelves stocked all year round. 160 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,000 And keeping a place this size cold... 161 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,240 ..takes a lot of power. 162 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,240 Hey, Rob. How are you doing? Hi, Justin. Good to meet you. 163 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,640 It is chilly in here, isn't it? Yeah, it's two degrees. 164 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,920 I'm putting my gloves on. So, two degrees is what, 165 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,920 about the same as your domestic fridge, your home fridge? 166 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,640 Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Except, of course, this is way, way bigger! 167 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,240 Add in the many fridges and freezers 168 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,440 in stores, and refrigeration 169 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,400 in British supermarkets uses 1% 170 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,320 of the entire country's electricity. 171 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,520 So, it must take a lot of energy to keep this place cold. 172 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,760 Well, it's measured in gigawatt hours of energy each year. 173 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,200 So, you measure it in gigawatts. So, I know kilowatts 174 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:31,800 from my energy metre. But that's what, a million times that? 175 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,200 That's right, yeah. That's a lot of energy. 176 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,040 Rob works for Star Refrigeration, 177 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,640 the UK's largest industrial refrigeration business. 178 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,840 They keep Tesco's distribution centres cold. 179 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:48,320 And to witness that in action is chilling. 180 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,400 The warm air travels up from the ground below 181 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,360 and we blow that air over these heat exchangers. 182 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,760 And then the cold air is blown out of here. Yes. 183 00:09:57,760 --> 00:09:59,440 Let's have a look. 184 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,960 That really is cold. That wicks the heat out of your skin, doesn't it? 185 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,240 Yeah... Same process! 186 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,960 ..it's two degrees lower as it's going out that side. Wow. 187 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,240 Having sucked the heat out of this giant fridge, 188 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,560 it needs to be spat out somewhere else. 189 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:17,840 And if you think your fridge at home can be noisy, 190 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,840 here, it's on another level entirely. 191 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,040 LOUD WHIRRING 192 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,760 So, what is that noise that we're hearing? 193 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,720 The noise that we're hearing is the compression of the refrigerant gas. 194 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,840 And the reason we're doing that is we want to extract the heat 195 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,360 from inside the rooms that you went in earlier, 196 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,080 and we need to move it to outside. 197 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,840 On the roof of here, we have what is called a condenser, 198 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,320 and that takes that heat and it passes it out to the outside air. 199 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,080 This is one of the major electrical consumers 200 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:48,840 in the refrigeration process. 201 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,600 But some clever new tech has reduced 202 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,560 Tesco's enormous electricity bill. 203 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:57,760 SOFT WHIRRING 204 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,320 Well, it's a lot quieter here, isn't it? Yes. 205 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,000 Much better to speak in here. 206 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,680 So, how do you go about saving energy? 207 00:11:04,680 --> 00:11:08,520 We collect data from sensors all the way across the site. 208 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,360 We run a model of what the refrigeration system is doing here. 209 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,600 The model predicts what the theoretical performance should be, 210 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,720 and then we measure the actual performance and we compare 211 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:18,920 the two together. 212 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,480 It sounds simple, but constantly monitoring this colossal fridge 213 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,600 means Rob can identify faulty equipment or mechanical problems 214 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,960 as soon as they arise. 215 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:33,480 We're getting those issues sorted out as quickly as we possibly can. 216 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Some of these items could go unseen for weeks or months or even years. 217 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,440 So, here's the question - how much energy have you saved? 218 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:44,920 Over a 12-month period, we saved 219 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,680 2.3 gigawatt hours of electricity. 220 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:54,080 Saving energy is good for reducing costs as well as emissions, 221 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,080 so it's no surprise that tech like this is increasingly used 222 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,160 in food distribution. 223 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:04,640 But efficient warehouses on their own will never get Tesco 224 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:05,840 to net zero. 225 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,760 There are a whole host of other things that cause supermarket 226 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,320 emissions, from heating and lighting to the thousands of diesel trucks 227 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,800 that send food around the country. 228 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,840 To find out how all of this is going to be net zero, I'm meeting 229 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,360 Group Head of Energy at Tesco. 230 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,960 What are you doing to make efficiencies, 231 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,240 to drive down the amount of energy you use? 232 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:33,040 We're converting our gas boilers to electric heat pump technology. 233 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,000 So, we're still on that journey. We're also putting doors on fridges. 234 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,440 We're in the process of electrifying our fleet, 235 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:42,800 whether that's from our distribution fleet or our delivery vans. 236 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,120 We are also using the railway. 237 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,280 One train actually takes 76 lorries off the road. 238 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,080 So, this is all about trying to find efficiency savings wherever 239 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,880 you can and cut the energy use. Absolutely. 240 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,000 Cut it down and also make it clean. 241 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,360 That's our aim here. 242 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:02,880 Tesco have committed to being carbon neutral across their operations 243 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:08,800 by 2035, but they still have to reduce their emissions by 74% 244 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,480 of current levels and have just a decade to do it in. 245 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,800 But even that is just a tiny part of the challenge ahead for Tesco 246 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,680 and for all the other supermarkets. 247 00:13:20,680 --> 00:13:24,200 I'm heading to London to the trade body which represents 248 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,520 all the major food shops. 249 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:29,560 What do supermarkets mean when they 250 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,400 talk about being net zero by 2050? 251 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,720 Everything, basically. 252 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,400 So, their own operations, the emissions that come from that, 253 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,280 but also all the emissions that are generated by their food 254 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,280 producers, producing the food that then they sell to us as customers. 255 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,320 The supermarkets are saying they're going to be net zero 256 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,640 in their supermarket operations by 2035. 257 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,520 But when they say "supermarket operations", what does that mean? 258 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,400 So, that's actually quite a narrow part of their overall 259 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,560 emissions. Within supermarket operations, 260 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:01,960 you're probably looking at around 4% or 5% of their total emissions. 261 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,160 That's right. 262 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:04,440 When you look at ready meals 263 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,360 and the rest of our food, the shops 264 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,920 we buy them from are only directly 265 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,840 responsible for around 5% 266 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:12,920 of the emissions. 267 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,720 And it's only this bit that many supermarkets have said will be 268 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,640 net zero by 2035. 269 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,960 Does that cover own-brand ready meals? No. 270 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,240 It only covers the operations to move all of the food 271 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,240 around, for the sales in the store, the delivery to your homes. 272 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,200 You know, it could be confusing 273 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,320 for customers when supermarkets 274 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:35,960 are saying, "We're net zero 275 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,040 "in our supermarket operations 276 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:41,200 "by 2035", and you look at a ready meal and it's stamped 277 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:42,960 with the supermarket's name, 278 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:44,480 you might... Come on, 279 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,480 you might well think, "Well, that's part of the supermarket's operation." 280 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,640 Shouldn't they be clearer about what their commitments by 2035 cover? 281 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,960 All we are saying at this stage 282 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,040 is we cannot get to net zero 283 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,200 for all of those foods, including those ready meals, 284 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,680 by 2035. That target is 2050. 285 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,320 But there is a staging post within that, which shows how much 286 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,400 progress we are making towards that 2050 net zero goal. 287 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:13,080 Don't those 2050 claims burnish the supermarkets' reputations, 288 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,360 enhance their reputations, make them look as if they're doing something, 289 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,960 but actually, you've said 96% of the responsibility 290 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,880 lies with other businesses, other companies' farmers? 291 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,360 No, absolutely not. It actually lies with the... 292 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,800 It is the retailer that is making that claim, that is making 293 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,680 that statement, that is working... But they can make those claims, 294 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,800 but they don't have to actually change their production practices. 295 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,200 But... It is farmers and other suppliers who need to do that. 296 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,400 Absolutely... So, in a sense, my point being... Yeah. 297 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,200 In a sense, they're kind of passing the buck. 298 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,600 They're saying, "We'll take responsibility for that", 299 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:44,920 as if they are taking, but actually, 300 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,640 they're going to be saying to their suppliers, 301 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:47,960 "Guys, you've got to sort this out." No... 302 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:49,680 No. Costs fall with other people, don't they? 303 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:53,040 No. The ultimate judgment on whether they are successful 304 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,440 will lie with the retailer. 305 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,200 That's how we shop in this country. 306 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,880 The brand has taken the responsibility for it. 307 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:00,400 They have to deliver. 308 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,120 They have to work with their farmers and producers 309 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,080 to make the difference. 310 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,840 So it is still a 25-year wait 311 00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,680 for net-zero ready meals, 312 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,880 and 95% of food emissions 313 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,560 come from outside 314 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,400 of supermarket operations. 315 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,800 Before they reach the supermarkets, 316 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,920 ready meals produce emissions 317 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,560 in the factories where they're made. 318 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,520 Earlier, I saw some machines that help process and pack 319 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,000 our ready meals. 320 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:35,840 But there is one crucial step we haven't yet seen - cooking. 321 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:41,120 If there's one thing that ready meals do, it's take away the hassle 322 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,880 of actual cooking. 323 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,320 Now, don't get me wrong, I can cut up an onion and rustle up a stew 324 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,120 as good as the next person, 325 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,400 but sometimes that convenience 326 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,360 of the ready meal, it's hard to beat. 327 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,800 But getting someone else to rustle up a beef stroganoff instead of me 328 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,080 comes at a carbon cost... 329 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,240 ..because cooking and factories often uses fossil fuels, 330 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,600 and a recent study has shown ready meals have a larger carbon footprint 331 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,800 than home-cooked versions. 332 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,200 So I'm visiting a company... 333 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,640 Let's get it all in. 334 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,520 ..that's trying to get the cooking emissions of a ready meal down. 335 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,240 Oh, yeah! 336 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,120 Now, I am a woman that loves a robot. 337 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,200 And this is a beautiful robot. 338 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,960 But it's hard to fathom 339 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,120 that it's got anything to do 340 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:38,600 with cooking up a meal. 341 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:43,040 These robotic arms are at the cutting edge of food technology. 342 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,600 I do recognise what it's doing. 343 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:50,600 Just like I stand in front of a cooking pot and add ingredients, 344 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,840 it is adding ingredients to its cooking pot. 345 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,600 It's just the whole thing looks more car assembly line 346 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,080 than country kitchen. 347 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,520 It is impressive, to be sure. 348 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,800 But how will all this help reduce emissions in cooking? 349 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,200 Hiya, Jake! Hi, Fran! Nice to meet you! You too. 350 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,400 So, Jake, what exactly can you cook in your pot? 351 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,400 The sort of things that we can make are all those sort of traditional, 352 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,480 liquid-based products that go into a ready meal. 353 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:22,200 So we could be making soups, sauces, 354 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,680 curries, gravies, those sorts of things. 355 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,880 We've got a robot that basically pulls together the different raw 356 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,440 materials. A bit like when you're at home, you've got your spice rack, 357 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,640 this robot goes and picks up a container and then weighs out 358 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,400 the paprika, the salt, into another vessel, 359 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,720 and then literally pours it into the cooking vessel. 360 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,960 As impressive as that robot is, when it comes to energy savings, 361 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,000 Jake's secret sauce is in how he cooks it. 362 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,400 So, what's making all the big energy savings here is 363 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,280 the steam-infusion cooking technology. 364 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,200 So, if you imagine, normally, those cooks would take around 365 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,120 45 minutes in a traditional cooking vessel. With the steam infusion 366 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:04,200 in there, we can cook up a tonne in less than ten minutes. 367 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,760 Whoa! 368 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,920 A traditional industrial cooking vessel heats the food 369 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,280 from the outside, but Jake's design uses a steam probe 370 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:16,680 inserted into the vessel to cook from the middle. 371 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,160 It's more efficient to cook, 372 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:21,640 but it's not the only saving. 373 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,600 Normally, when you're cooking industrially, you're basically 374 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,600 heating the liquid from the outside. Right. 375 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:30,720 Now, when you do that, it's a bit like when you cook at home. 376 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,200 If you've got it on high heat, 377 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,000 it'll burn to the side of the vessel. 378 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,680 So, actually, it can take more energy 379 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,160 to clean the vessel than it does to actually cook in it. 380 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,840 If you actually cook from the centre of the vessel with steam, 381 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:44,000 then we don't get any burn on whatsoever, so the actual cleaning 382 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,520 requirements are significantly less. 383 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,760 Just like my washing up at home, 384 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,840 anything that speeds that up has got to be good. 385 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,160 So, how much energy does all this save? 386 00:19:57,960 --> 00:19:59,800 What kind of figures are we talking about? 387 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,280 So, on a traditional process, to make a tonne of sauce, you'll use 388 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,920 anywhere between 500 to 1,200 389 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,160 kilowatt hours per tonne of energy. 390 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,400 With the robotics and the steam-infusion technology, 391 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,920 we can reduce that down to less than 250 kilowatt hours per tonne, 392 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,840 which is obviously a big difference. 393 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,880 But the more exciting part of that 394 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:21,640 is that at the higher levels, 395 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,840 if you're using 1,000 kilowatts an hour per tonne, 396 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,760 you will need to be using it from fossil fuels. 397 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:31,520 Whereas, as we get down to lower than 250, we can use 398 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,800 electricity and renewables. That's pretty genius. 399 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,240 By using less power, it opens up the more renewable, 400 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,040 more sustainable ways of generating electricity 401 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:45,320 that wouldn't be available if you were using more power. Exactly. 402 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,760 Switching ready meal cooking from gas to electric 403 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,560 has the potential to be game-changing, 404 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,440 because the food and drink industry 405 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,040 is the biggest gas consumer in the UK. 406 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,560 But robots and steam infusion are only just starting 407 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:02,680 to be used here. 408 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,080 It would need massive investment 409 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,240 to tool up the whole industry, 410 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,320 which could drive up the price 411 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,680 of our super cheap 412 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,360 ready meals significantly. 413 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:17,960 Still, this has been an eye-opening experience for me. 414 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:22,120 It is cooking, but not quite as we know it. 415 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:26,760 We eat it as this humble meal at home, and yet the technology 416 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,520 that goes into cooking it in the first place is quite mind-boggling. 417 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,960 And yet that technology is absolutely crucial 418 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:39,640 if we are going to get anywhere near the net-zero ready meal. 419 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,600 JUSTIN: Greenhouse gas emissions 420 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,720 from manufacturing add up to 10% 421 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,160 of the total in our food system. 422 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,360 Of course, cooking a ready meal is one thing, but to get 423 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:57,600 to our dinner plates, it needs packaging. 424 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:03,360 One study by a sustainable packaging company claims 90% of ready meals 425 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:05,840 are encased in plastic. 426 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:13,400 But one of the biggest environmental challenges we face 427 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,760 is plastic pollution. 428 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,400 Packaging has come in for a really bad press in recent years, 429 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,400 and lots of manufacturers have reduced how much 430 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:24,800 plastic they use. 431 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,200 So what will a net-zero future for ready meals mean when it comes 432 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,240 to the packaging? 433 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:36,400 I'm back at MULTIVAC who, as well as a lot of machinery, also sell 434 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,240 a lot of packaging products and materials. 435 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:44,520 So I want to see what they recommend for my ready meal product line. 436 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,680 Right, Elliott, you are the packaging expert. Here is my product, 437 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,200 Justin Time For Dinner. I want a net-zero packaging for this. 438 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,960 I was thinking something like this. Yeah. 439 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,440 Yeah. Cardboard, paper... Can't get any better, can you? 440 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,400 Well, fortunately, Justin, you can. 441 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,680 So, contrary to popular belief, 442 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,480 when we factor in food preservation, 443 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,000 plastic is actually better for the environment, 444 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:06,320 in terms of carbon emissions. 445 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,920 I'm talking about plastic in food preservation specifically... 446 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,680 Yeah. ..not unnecessary use of plastic. 447 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,040 That's right. 448 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,520 Research has shown, across the lifespan, plastic can have lower 449 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:22,560 carbon emissions than alternatives, and Elliott says some clever design 450 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,080 can reap other rewards, too. 451 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,200 Take Sainsbury's mince, for example. 452 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,640 They recently moved from sort of 453 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,280 a traditional... A tray packaging. ..tray packaging 454 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,400 and made it into a flexible packaging and vacuum pack. 455 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:35,760 Yeah, but this is plastic. 456 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,480 It is, but it doubled the shelf life of the product. 457 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,120 It saved 75% worth of plastic on the shelf. And it's so smaller 458 00:23:43,120 --> 00:23:45,280 than a tray, you can get more in a truck. 459 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:47,160 So you save a lot of trucks. 460 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:51,000 And when we do all the maths, together, you're talking about 461 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,760 8,000 tons of CO2 a year saved. 462 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,840 My aim is reducing emissions as far as possible 463 00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,880 for Justin Time For Dinner. 464 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,440 Maximising shelf life while minimising product size 465 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:09,520 and packaging emissions has led Elliott to a novel idea. 466 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,160 I like to come up with different concepts. 467 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,600 This is off the Richter scale in terms of what people 468 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,880 would get a ready meal for. It's quite neat, isn't it? 469 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,160 Yeah. With its little compartments. Yeah, yeah. 470 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,080 Microwavable, as well. 471 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,360 And how long would it extend the shelf life of my product? 472 00:24:25,360 --> 00:24:28,560 It's under a vacuum, so we could actually double the shelf life 473 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,760 of a normal ready meal by doing it that way. 474 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,160 I mean, I'm imagining it's going to sell pretty quickly... 475 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,120 Well, there you go. Yeah. So you might not need 476 00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:36,800 the double shelf life! There we go, straight off. 477 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,800 It's still a good idea... On the shelf for day one, 478 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,520 sold out by day two. That's the goal. So, let me just be clear. 479 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,360 So, if you're saying... 480 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:48,160 You're saying plastic may be the best, most eco-friendly option 481 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,800 for me because it provides such good... 482 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,320 If carbon net zero is your goal... Yes, it is. Yeah. 483 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,480 ..then plastic should be one of your considerations. 484 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,360 One of my... You're actually... One of your considerations. 485 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,240 Well, you're actually saying, Elliott, you think I should choose 486 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,640 plastic, don't you? I personally think for this one, yeah. 487 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,880 Your goal is carbon reduction... It is! ..and carbon net zero. Yeah. 488 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,160 Carbon net zero, really... 489 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,080 I have to say, you're blowing my mind a little bit. 490 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,680 Reducing packaging emissions 491 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,680 sounds like a trade-off. 492 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,640 No-one wants more plastic waste, 493 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,480 but we only recycle around 494 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,600 half of our plastic packaging 495 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,640 and the soft plastics Elliott is talking about 496 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,560 aren't typically collected by councils. 497 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,040 No, we're not great at recycling it, and we need to make 498 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,760 the downstream part of recycling easier. 499 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,960 What about the future? 500 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,120 Are there going to be net zero packaging options? 501 00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,320 There has to be some new technology that comes through. 502 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,640 Packaging made out of seaweed is just one that blows my mind, 503 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,600 but it's going to need something different to change the game, 504 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,280 to be able to get to net zero. 505 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,560 Elliott's best advice might be plastic, 506 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,800 but it does still cause emissions. 507 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,680 There are lots of new innovations, but right now, 508 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,920 we're still a long way from net zero, 509 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,000 and emissions from packaging account for 6% 510 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,200 of the total emissions in our food system. 511 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,800 Then there's transport, until it's decarbonised 512 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,040 with the likes of electric vehicles, 513 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,520 the impact of shifting food makes up another 11%. 514 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,760 Add in retail and manufacturing - 515 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,920 that makes up a third. 516 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,200 But by far the biggest source 517 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,760 of emissions in our food system, 518 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,520 including ready meals, 519 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,120 comes from growing the food 520 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,840 in the first place - 521 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,200 agriculture. 522 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,080 MICHELLE: It feels like a long way from your local supermarket 523 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,960 to the jungles of Indonesia. 524 00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,280 But when it comes to ready meals, 525 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,240 the ingredients are grown all over the world. 526 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,000 Take palm oil, a cooking oil that's used in many ready meals 527 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000 and thousands of other products. 528 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,480 But it's controversial because most of it is grown on land 529 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160 that was once tropical rainforest, 530 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,920 which is bad for global climate change. 531 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,600 So, is there an alternative? 532 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,960 Oh, wow. This is impressive, Chris. 533 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,360 But I've got to ask, how does this relate to palm oil? 534 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,480 So in this process hall, we're using a technique 535 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,880 called precision fermentation. 536 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,240 What's that, then? 537 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,680 Well, it's a little bit like fermentation, 538 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,240 but instead of making the beer or the cider, 539 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,000 we're actually after the cell itself. 540 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,320 Precision fermentation is the use of microbes to produce 541 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,680 useful products such as insulin. 542 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,280 Chris has been working for a decade to develop this technique 543 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,800 to produce a palm oil alternative. 544 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,120 Ultimately, it's a very efficient process. 545 00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,480 We have only a fraction of the carbon emissions 546 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,000 of a traditional oil, 547 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,280 and we can see savings of over 93% 548 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,640 compared to palm, soybean, or even rapeseed. 549 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,880 So this is the finished product? That's the finished product, yeah. 550 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,560 With a tank of this size, then, how much oil are you getting? 551 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,720 Well, this is a development tank, so that's not really going to make 552 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,440 a big dent in the market, 553 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,320 and so now we need to get this to a bigger scale. 554 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,720 We use millions of tons of different cooking oils every year. 555 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,800 That's going to take a lot of fermenting, 556 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,400 but Chris is certainly aiming big. 557 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,200 Wow. OK. Chris, I mean... 558 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480 This is 220,000 litres. Oh, my word! 559 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,280 And this is really where we have to be 560 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,160 to be commercially viable, because we can produce 1,000 tons 561 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,960 of oil a year from that. 562 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,680 In terms of quantity, Chris, how does this compare 563 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,880 to a palm oil plantation? 564 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,200 Just one of these reactors would be equivalent 565 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800 to 250 hectares of a palm oil plantation. 566 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,600 Now, in a mid-size facility where we've got 20 of these, 567 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,640 that would be about 5,000 hectares of land which we've saved. 568 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,840 But will it be enough? 569 00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,120 Annually, we use hundreds of thousands of tons of palm oil 570 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,920 in the UK alone. 571 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:11,080 Replacing that would require over 500 tanks of this size - 572 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,200 a huge investment in what's still a very new technology. 573 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,920 JUSTIN: While protecting global rainforests is crucial in the fight 574 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,000 against climate change, there are a whole host of agricultural 575 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,680 greenhouse gas emissions created much closer to home, 576 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,560 because around half of the food on our plates is produced in the UK, 577 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,760 and 70% of British land is used for agriculture. 578 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,560 Hey, Martha, I'm Justin, how are you? Hi, Justin. 579 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,280 Yeah, good. Nice to meet you. 580 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,320 Martha Hayes runs a 1,000 acre family farm in Lincolnshire. 581 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,560 I want to know how she's feeling about the whole net zero project. 582 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,720 Cup of tea? I'd love a cup of tea. Thank you. 583 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,000 Lovely. So, how long have you been farming for? 584 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,960 In short, sort of all my life. 585 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,680 I'm the fourth generation on this farm to be... 586 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680 Fourth... So your great-grandfather got the farm? 587 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,760 He came here to this farm sort of 1940s. 588 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,400 This is him, actually. Oh! 589 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,800 So that's my great-grandfather. 590 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,680 And then this is my grandfather. 591 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,320 Very well dressed. 592 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,400 Yeah, not just dressed for - not working that day. No. 593 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,040 And then Dad and I in this photo. 594 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,960 Oh, that's lovely. So we're both farming together now. 595 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,040 Including Martha and her dad, 596 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,480 just three people work on what is 597 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,440 a pretty big farm, 598 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,720 and there's only one reason 599 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,600 they're able to farm all this land. 600 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,840 And it's basically like a mini service station, isn't it? 601 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,600 Yeah, it works exactly the same way. 602 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,000 How much does it take? 603 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,240 It'll take about 200 litres. 604 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,360 Like so many of our industries, 605 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,080 agriculture is built on fossil fuels, 606 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,800 and farmers need a lot of it. 607 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,920 So just put this in here, yeah? Yeah, just pop that in there. 608 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,280 How much do I owe you? 609 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,160 But, seriously, I mean, diesel must cost you a lot of money. 610 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,160 It's doing so many jobs on your farm. 611 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,760 We'd be spending between 612 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,000 £10,000 and £20,000 a year on fuel. 613 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000 Wow, £10,000 or £20,000. 614 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,920 On Britain's farms, diesel is essential. 615 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,120 Oh, wow. Look at that! 616 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,080 Yeah. So this is the combine harvester. 617 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,960 It looks like a huge insect, doesn't it? 618 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,320 So this is our key part of harvest, 619 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,600 this is what brings in the grain. 620 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,720 And, of course, machinery means emissions. 621 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,360 As with other parts of the transport sector, 622 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,560 finding alternatives to diesel engines will be important. 623 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,240 So, Martha, I mean, fossil fuels are the absolute foundation 624 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,160 of modern life, aren't they? 625 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,040 They power our industry, they power our homes, 626 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040 our transport, absolutely everything. 627 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,440 So how important a source of greenhouse gases 628 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,480 is all the diesel you use? 629 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,120 Yeah, so obviously it is a big source of emissions 630 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,600 and as farmers, we do need to address this. 631 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,080 So we are reducing the amount of fossil fuel 632 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,280 that we are using on the farm. 633 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,040 But, actually, this isn't the key source of emissions. 634 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,560 Diesel is actually the least of the problems when it comes to 635 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,840 greenhouse gas emissions in agriculture. 636 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,280 In fact, CO2 emissions 637 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,640 only make up around 15%. 638 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,760 For an arable farmer like Martha, 639 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,880 the main villain 640 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400 when it comes to global climate 641 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040 change is another gas entirely - 642 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,080 nitrous oxide. 643 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,680 So the nitrous oxide comes from this stuff, yeah? 644 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,440 Yeah. From fertiliser? 645 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,000 Artificial fertiliser, exactly. 646 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,360 Can I have a look? 647 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,440 Yeah, take a look inside. 648 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,400 Oh, so it comes in the form of little balls? Granules, yeah. 649 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,080 And how many tons are you using? 650 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800 On average, probably over 100 tons a year. 651 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,800 100 tons of this? 652 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,560 So we're talking, like, I don't know, 160, 170 bags 653 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,320 of this stuff. 654 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,560 This is hugely important for the production of food. 655 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,800 Without artificial fertiliser, 656 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,000 yields would be sort of 50% less. 657 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,080 Some estimates say without it, 658 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,480 we couldn't feed half the global population. 659 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Synthetic fertiliser is made from ammonia, 660 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,080 which is manufactured by the Haber-Bosch process. 661 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,960 It involves using nitrogen from the air and hydrogen 662 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,280 from natural gas, mixed under 663 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,680 huge pressure and very high temperatures. 664 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,080 All that creates a massive carbon footprint - 665 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,560 roughly 1% of global CO2 emissions. 666 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:59,120 But an even bigger problem is caused when fertiliser is used. 667 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,600 Bacteria in the soil break it down and release nitrous oxide 668 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,760 into the atmosphere. 669 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,160 It's a powerful greenhouse gas, 670 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,480 265 times more potent 671 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,360 than carbon dioxide. 672 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,240 Fertiliser use is a major source of nitrous oxide, which, 673 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,960 according to the UK government, is responsible for over a quarter 674 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,840 of emissions from agriculture. 675 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,120 So a net zero future is going to need new approaches to fertiliser. 676 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,000 FRAN: Marine Valton is the CEO of one of a number of companies 677 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,320 working to develop novel fertiliser technology. 678 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,880 She is using a type of bacteria called blue-green algae. 679 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,240 So what is it that you're doing that's different 680 00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:49,840 from traditional fertiliser methods? 681 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,320 So we are using biological fertiliser. 682 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,400 So we are using specific cyanobacteria, 683 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,000 which are coming from the soil of the farmers directly. 684 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,880 And these cyanobacteria are able to capture both carbon and nitrogen 685 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,320 from the atmosphere. 686 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,120 And they capture the carbon, 687 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,560 I suppose just like any green plant does with photosynthesis? 688 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,760 Exactly. 689 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,440 But not only that, these also capture nitrogen, you're saying? 690 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840 Yes, these are the specific ones that we are using, 691 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,480 they capture nitrogen, yes. 692 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,600 That's genius. 693 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,760 Unlike the Haber-Bosch process, 694 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,960 Marine's biological fertiliser 695 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,520 doesn't need high temperature or pressure. 696 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,400 The next step for Marine 697 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920 is to produce lots of her algae. 698 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,680 So how does something like this 699 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,440 go into a product that farmers 700 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,160 can use on their fields? 701 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,240 We harvest those algae and then we transform them 702 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,760 into a bio fertiliser, 703 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160 the product that the farmers can use 704 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,920 on their farms and that kind of looks like that. 705 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,880 This is a very small sample of what we are doing. 706 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,120 Surely it's still going to release nitrous oxide into the atmosphere? 707 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,760 So, actually, we are applying those cyanobacteria alive 708 00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,040 onto the fields. 709 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,680 So that means that they keep capturing nitrogen 710 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,160 from the atmosphere and carbon dioxide once applied as well. 711 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,560 You know, they will release nitrogen in a slow-release manner 712 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,680 for them to be uptaken slowly and then you would avoid 713 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,440 all of this loss that is happening with chemical fertilisers. 714 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,240 In theory, this technology sounds revolutionary, 715 00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:23,200 but does it actually work in practice? 716 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,720 We've done field trials. 717 00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,680 We've been able to show that our product actually increases 718 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,000 the yield by 21% compared to the chemical fertilisers. 719 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,480 These are just the results of a single trial 720 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,760 carried out by the company. 721 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,480 But even if these results can be verified, it will take 722 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,840 an enormous investment in companies like this to replace the hundreds 723 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,640 of millions of tons of fertiliser used globally, 724 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,080 perhaps affecting the price of our ready meals. 725 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,360 And nitrous oxide from fertiliser is only one part 726 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960 of the farming story. 727 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,440 That's because there's another major source of greenhouse gases 728 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,600 on the farm... 729 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,920 CATTLE LOW 730 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,200 ..animals. 731 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,040 JUSTIN: Oh, yeah, look, they definitely know! 732 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,280 Most of Martha's farm grows arable crops, 733 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,880 but she also has a herd of more than 100 beef cattle. 734 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,000 They seem quite content. 735 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,120 They're very chilled, happy cows, yeah. 736 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,920 Oh, look, here they come. 737 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,800 We've got to get some more. 738 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,880 Compared to growing crops, 739 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,160 raising livestock is hugely inefficient. 740 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,240 It takes a lot of land to raise cows 741 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,280 for all the milk, cheese, and beef 742 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,640 in our ready meals. 743 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,280 There's also the land used to grow their feed - 744 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,160 land that could be used for something else, or even worse, 745 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,680 land that has been cleared of forests. 746 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,120 A big source of emissions 747 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,200 with cattle is the fact that, often, 748 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,360 food is imported, and often it contains soya, 749 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,400 which is clearly a really big part of deforestation and, 750 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,720 you know, emissions globally. 751 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,280 This food is grown here on our farm, 752 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,000 so it's just come from a few fields away 753 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,640 and it's a really good way 754 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,760 of feeding our cattle a natural, 755 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,760 sustainable product that is grown here. 756 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,800 But more important is the gas that comes out of both ends 757 00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,040 of these cows. 758 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,600 Their digestion process produces methane, 759 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,280 another potent greenhouse gas. 760 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,920 Over half of the UK's agricultural emissions come from methane. 761 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,960 But they do still produce methane? 762 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,640 We can't get away from that. 763 00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,120 Cattle and sheep do emit methane, 764 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,480 but they also play 765 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,640 a really important part 766 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,960 in managing our landscape. 767 00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,000 The way that we manage our cattle here is very extensive. 768 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,480 You know, we're using home-grown food to finish them. 769 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,800 The type of cattle that we have here 770 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,160 are native pedigree Lincoln Reds. 771 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,360 So, as a breed, they're very quick to mature, 772 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,760 they need low quantities of food 773 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,160 to get to that level of maturity. 774 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,840 Getting to full maturity faster 775 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,720 means less time emitting methane. 776 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:08,920 But, of course, 777 00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,840 there is another option. 778 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,240 So, Martha, here's the question - 779 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,080 should we be eating beef? 780 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,040 Yes, I think we absolutely should. 781 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040 There is an argument that we need 782 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,000 to be eating less beef, 783 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,480 but better quality beef. 784 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,320 So beef which is produced here in Britain has a much lower 785 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,760 environmental impact than that produced 786 00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,680 in other parts of the world. 787 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,000 It's not the world's worst-emitting beef, but it also isn't the best. 788 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,160 Some farmers in the UK are now using special additives to reduce 789 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,400 the methane from their herds, 790 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,600 but many argue we should simply eat less meat. 791 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,240 Meat consumption is falling, 792 00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,920 but the British public is unlikely to completely give it up 793 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,440 any time soon - 794 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,680 unless there are tempting alternatives, that is. 795 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,680 MICHELLE: Options like this. 796 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,160 It looks quite meaty, and, to be honest, I quite like it. 797 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,600 I mean, for vegans and vegetarians, 798 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,840 it's a no-brainer. 799 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,600 But for the committed carnivores, 800 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,920 the fact is - it doesn't really taste like meat. 801 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,760 I mean, close maybe, but it's not the real deal, is it? 802 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,760 Supermarkets have tried to cash in on the trend for meat alternatives 803 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,840 and vegan ready meals, but some consumers didn't like the taste 804 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,280 or the cost, and sales have stagnated, 805 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200 so it may take some radical thinking 806 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,600 to re-excite our taste buds. 807 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,360 I've come to a place that calls itself Hoxton Farms. 808 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,600 Despite being in this decidedly non-agricultural location, 809 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,320 now they think they have the answer to reducing meat consumption, 810 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,080 even amongst the most hardcore meat eaters. 811 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,560 Here in hipster Hoxton, in east London, 812 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,680 they think they've cracked it. 813 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,480 Development chef Josh is cooking up something special - just for me. 814 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,640 So I've got a little bit of the pork fat in here. 815 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,640 Yeah. And I'm going to just put a bit in a pan, 816 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,480 because I just want you to see and smell and experience 817 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,200 just how it performs. 818 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,760 It's pork fat tissue. 819 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,080 This is going to sizzle, smell and feel exactly like the real thing. 820 00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,200 So just melts in the same way? 821 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,120 You just start to see it starting to sizzle 822 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,840 and start to melt a little bit. 823 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,000 But get in now... You get that, like, meaty, porky-ness that... 824 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,480 I can smell it. 825 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,120 It looks like pork fat and it smells like pork fat, 826 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,160 but it comes from a surprising source. 827 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,000 It's a secret ingredient that's been designed 828 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,160 to revolutionise meat substitutes. 829 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,520 Ooh... 830 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,760 So this is our pork belly prototype. 831 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,920 If you're imagining what's kind of going into plant-based meat 832 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,280 at the moment... Oh, yeah. ..you'd never get this from it. 833 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200 You don't get that sort of structure and that sizzle, 834 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,080 that browning, that flavour. 835 00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,480 It's got that real kind of makes your mouth water... Yeah, very much. 836 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,640 ..ooh, I'm about to eat something 837 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,080 good today type feel. 838 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,480 According to Josh, combining his pork fat with plant protein 839 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,520 will be enough to get meat eaters excited. 840 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,360 So in these meaty layers here, 841 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,240 what we have is plant proteins 842 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:09,000 that we combine with our fat. 843 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,440 Can I have a taste? 844 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,040 You can't have a taste just yet. 845 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,000 We're really close, but we're just waiting for the green light 846 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,800 from regulators to be able to give you this. 847 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,600 Because this is just a new ingredient. 848 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,080 When you say "just yet", you mean because it's not cooked yet or...? 849 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,840 No, just because it's not an ingredient yet 850 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,600 that we're allowed to give to people. 851 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,240 Oh, my word. 852 00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,200 You've teased me all this time with your cooking talk! I know. 853 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,320 That's what we like to do here. And now I can't even try it. 854 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,000 I know. 855 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,000 HE CHUCKLES 856 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,720 The product is so new, it needs government approval 857 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,520 before it's allowed anywhere near my mouth. 858 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,040 So I can't put Josh's theory to the taste test, 859 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,600 but I can see the science. 860 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,760 Mathilde Thoulouze is the lead bioprocess engineer 861 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,200 behind the project. 862 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,120 Hello, Mathilde. Hello! Nice to meet you. 863 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,600 Welcome - grab a lab coat. 864 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,640 The process starts with a few stem cells harvested from a pig. 865 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,080 Cells are the basic building blocks of life, and these stem cells 866 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,320 can go on to develop into all kinds of cells, 867 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,880 from bone to muscle. 868 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,400 Can we see any? Yes, let's get them from the incubator. 869 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,560 Yes, please. 870 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,440 Once they have their stem cells, 871 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,880 they can grow and multiply as many as they like 872 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,200 in a bioreactor. 873 00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,840 No more animals or samples required. 874 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,640 What kind of conditions do the cells need to be in, then, to grow? 875 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,160 Like in the body, they like to be at a certain temperature, 876 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,560 a certain acidity. 877 00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,920 And they also really need 878 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,800 specific foods in the same way 879 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,120 you do in your body, with proteins, 880 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,240 vitamins and things like this. 881 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:45,840 Some of the stem cells can then be taken to the next miraculous step. 882 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,720 The scientists need to persuade them 883 00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,560 to transform into fat. 884 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,040 How do you turn them into fat cells? 885 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,680 One of the main ways of triggering that is by changing the food 886 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,880 we give them so that they turn into fat cells, 887 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,520 and then they become fattier and fattier through the week. 888 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,400 Can we have a look at some? Yes. 889 00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,400 So, here you can see the fat droplets, smaller and bigger ones. 890 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,960 So the smaller one would be at the beginning of the process 891 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,080 and the larger one would be when the process is completed. 892 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,360 You can see the fat droplets 893 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,680 right in front of your eyes. 894 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,880 That is very satisfying to see them developed at the end. 895 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,800 Oh, it's great because in a good experiment, you will see your cells 896 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,400 getting fattier every day and you can see the lipid droplets 897 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,920 getting bigger and bigger. 898 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,800 The next step is harvest, 899 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,840 so we need to recover the cells 900 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,120 and separate them from their environment. 901 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680 Once you've harvested the cells, what happens next? 902 00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,160 Well, we get product. 903 00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,560 Oh, wow. 904 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,360 So this is animal fat? Yes. 905 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,400 This is pork fat. Oh, my word. 906 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,560 That is incredible. I mean, it looks just like lard. 907 00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,440 It is, it is real pork fat. 908 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,040 It might not satisfy vegans. 909 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,080 Biologically, this really is pork fat. 910 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,880 But the founders of this company claim it could be a game-changer 911 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,920 when it comes to carbon emissions. 912 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,680 In terms of timeline, then, guys, what's next? 913 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,160 When am I going to see these products on the supermarket shelves? 914 00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,640 So we're a couple of years away, I think, from having products 915 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,600 on supermarket shelves in the UK. 916 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,720 And what about carbon emissions? 917 00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,320 Because if the plan is to scale up, 918 00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,040 surely a lot of energy 919 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,320 is going to be used to actually create the product? 920 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,240 We do need to use energy to create the product, but nowhere near 921 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,680 the amount of energy that you need for traditional 922 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,240 intensive animal agriculture. 923 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:37,120 That's the biggest reason why we started Hoxton Farms, 924 00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000 to change the way that people eat in a way that's much better 925 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,720 for the environment. 926 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:45,320 Products containing our cultivated fat as an ingredient 927 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,560 will have carbon emissions of something around 90% to 95% less 928 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,960 than traditional meat does. 929 00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,840 These are bold claims, and while this company has had 930 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,760 tens of millions of pounds in investments, 931 00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,560 that's small beer up against the £11 billion 932 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,600 meat production industry. 933 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,480 It's clearly fairly early days for this company, 934 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,640 but if technologies allow us to get the animal food 935 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,920 without the animal farming, well, it does feel like a net zero 936 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,720 future will involve companies like this one. 937 00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,560 JUSTIN: Campaigners and even government committees 938 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,320 have recommended we cut our meat intake for environmental reasons. 939 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,000 So should we reduce the number of meaty ready meals we eat? 940 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,320 The National Farmers' Union doesn't think so. 941 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,800 The Climate Change Committee recommends meat and dairy consumption 942 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,080 decline by 20% by 2030, 943 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,840 and 35% by 2050. 944 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,920 Does the NFU, the National Union of Farmers, accept those figures? 945 00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,760 Look, we don't accept those figures because we know that when we 946 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,600 look at our red meat production, 947 00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,360 we believe we're in the top 50% 948 00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,600 of global producers with the least carbon footprint for our red meat. 949 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,560 Our dairy production is world leading. 950 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,200 You say UK beef and lamb has a relatively low carbon footprint 951 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,720 compared to that produced abroad, 952 00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,680 but it's still way higher than plant-based foods, isn't it? 953 00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,240 I mean, wouldn't it make more sense just to switch to the much lower 954 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,360 carbon plant-based foods? 955 00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,960 When we look at our livestock numbers over the past 50 years, 956 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,560 our cattle numbers are down about 30% or a third. 957 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,200 Our sheep numbers are down since the early '90s. 958 00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,120 We're already massively reducing our livestock numbers. 959 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,240 But the carbon emissions per unit of meat are still 960 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,800 far higher than plant-based foods. 961 00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,000 Like I say, I think this is really personal choice. 962 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,040 It's down to the individual to decide what they want to consume. 963 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,400 The NFU still claims farming can get to net zero, 964 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,400 but it says that ambition will only become a reality 965 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,880 if imports are produced to the same net zero standards 966 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,960 as food here in the UK. 967 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,000 It's highly likely that if we adopt all of the technologies 968 00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,520 that are going to try and get us towards net zero, 969 00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,160 then that's going to have a real cost burden associated with it. 970 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,040 If we're then undermined by imports that don't have those same standards 971 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,320 and those same costs, we're just going to be undermined 972 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,480 in the marketplace. 973 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,720 Say you get the restrictions on imports that you want, 974 00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:11,520 that will mean higher food prices, won't it? 975 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,760 Because the cheap food we're importing from abroad 976 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,200 won't be available. 977 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,280 We'll be relying more on British agriculture, which I'm sure 978 00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,080 is something you'd want and you'd celebrate, 979 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,000 and may indeed reduce emissions 980 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,440 but it is likely to drive up prices, isn't it? 981 00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,200 We're not looking for protection, but the NFU has always... 982 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,760 That does sound like protection. 983 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,880 No, no. The NFU has always stood for fair trade. 984 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,440 Now, fair trade is very, very different to free trade. 985 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,240 But listen, import restrictions will mean 986 00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,240 higher food prices in the UK. 987 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,760 Realistically, are government's going to want to do that? 988 00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,360 Ultimately, this is Government's decision 989 00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,200 about whether they're serious about delivering 990 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,680 the climate change ambition. 991 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,840 We know that without a fair import policy, we are going to offshore 992 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,680 our production to jurisdictions we have absolutely no control over. 993 00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,080 Close to half the food on our plates is imported. 994 00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,240 If net zero rules push up prices here in the UK, 995 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:04,320 then we could be tempted to import cheaper food from abroad 996 00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,000 that has higher emissions. 997 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,440 At the moment, it's up to the supermarkets and other businesses 998 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,000 to ensure that imported food matches their promises about net zero. 999 00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,360 So what are supermarkets doing about imports? 1000 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,440 About 80% of that is from Europe. 1001 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,000 So Europe is facing into net zero 1002 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,520 in exactly the same way as the UK 1003 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,240 in terms of both its support for its farmers, 1004 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,440 its food producers, its food manufacturers. 1005 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,600 So I think from that side, we're pretty confident. 1006 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,760 The further abroad tends to be, you know, often non-seasonal stuff 1007 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,360 that we can't grow here 1008 00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,920 or maybe more exotic fruits and things like that. 1009 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,040 We will work with those supply chains 1010 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040 to make a difference in there as well. 1011 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,240 I mean, when you sit back and you look at the industry, 1012 00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,520 as you do, the British Retail Consortium, 1013 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,080 how big a challenge for the industry is this? 1014 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,000 Huge - this is a huge challenge. 1015 00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,280 I mean, taking responsibility for the way our food is produced 1016 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,600 and then sold, that is a massive responsibility. 1017 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,320 And I don't think anybody is looking at this lightly. 1018 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,520 This will require huge change, 1019 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,280 structural change in farming, 1020 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,800 in processing, and then into the retail and, to a certain extent, 1021 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,680 maybe us as consumers as well in terms of our diet 1022 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,520 and what we're buying as well. 1023 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,240 So what about us? What about consumers? 1024 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,720 What can we do to help? 1025 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,640 Well, household emissions from things like fridges, freezers 1026 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,440 and cooking adds up to about 10% of emissions. 1027 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,520 But there's one thing that should be fairly easy 1028 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,880 to change - waste. 1029 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,120 We've seen the scale of emissions our food produces, 1030 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,680 but a huge amount of that edible food ends up in the bin. 1031 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,440 The emissions from that waste adds up 1032 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,720 to almost a fifth of the total. 1033 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,000 We all throw food away. 1034 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000 Now, some of that waste is inevitable. 1035 00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,600 Bones, eggshells, banana skins, stuff we can't eat, 1036 00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,120 but some of the food we throw away could have been eaten. 1037 00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,600 Now, maybe, we bought too much or maybe, oh, dear... 1038 00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,200 Maybe it's past its use-by date. 1039 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,960 But whether it's avoidable food waste or not, 1040 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,160 the food we throw away 1041 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,040 is responsible for greenhouse gas emissions. 1042 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,000 There's only one way to understand our rubbish 1043 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,640 and that's to get your hands dirty on a bin lorry. 1044 00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,800 Literally just there. Literally just pop it in. 1045 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,200 Pop it in. However you can. 1046 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,760 Why am I making it look so difficult? 1047 00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,680 There we go. Perfect. 1048 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,040 So you make it look easy. I'm not as smooth as you. 1049 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,360 I know, yeah. You get used to it. You get used to it. 1050 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600 It's all fun and games until you catch a whiff. 1051 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,960 Yes. 1052 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,680 UK households throw away over 6 million tons 1053 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,280 of food every year. 1054 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,480 Oh! A bad one, was it? 1055 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,080 That was... 1056 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,440 Urgh! ..juicy. All right, here we go. 1057 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,760 Ooh! 1058 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,920 It's estimated we throw away 1059 00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,680 £17 billion worth of food each year 1060 00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,800 that could have been eaten. 1061 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,480 Does it make you think about your own habits 1062 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,600 and, like, what you put in your food waste? 1063 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,240 Yeah, yeah. You look at some houses 1064 00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,320 and think, "Oh, there's so much food waste, you know." 1065 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,400 So you think maybe I should cut down myself, you know. 1066 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,080 Because it's something that we all do, but you're actually dealing 1067 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,680 with the end of it, aren't you? 1068 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,960 Yeah, I see the back end of it. 1069 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,800 For most of us, it's in the bin, gone, and forgotten. 1070 00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,240 Ah, Teresa's doing two at once, making up for it. 1071 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,640 I'm going to give some help. 1072 00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,720 In terms of the things that you see in here... Mm. 1073 00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,520 ..what's the weirdest thing that you've got? 1074 00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,880 It was last year. 1075 00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,360 I remember last summer I catch one of these bins, 1076 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,680 maybe with 12 pigeons, all dead. 1077 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,720 I was not expecting that answer. Yeah, yeah. 1078 00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,560 Apart from that, 1079 00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,600 usually it's the packages. 1080 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,800 People throw away the food 1081 00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,840 inside of the packages. 1082 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,160 Are there times of year that you don't look forward 1083 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,640 to doing this job, in terms of what you'll find in those bins? 1084 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,480 The summertime - with all of the maggots. 1085 00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,200 Oh! 1086 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,840 All that food we throw away has already produced 1087 00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,120 thousands of tons of CO2, 1088 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,520 methane, and nitrous oxide before it gets to us. 1089 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,200 So, sure, reducing food waste would save us money, 1090 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,840 but it would also help slow climate change. 1091 00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,000 And emissions are also caused 1092 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,320 by food waste itself when it goes 1093 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,480 to landfill from how it decomposes. 1094 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,280 But, instead of heading to landfill, 1095 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,720 there is another option. 1096 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,080 Here we go. 1097 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,760 Oh. Thanks, guys. 1098 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,240 No problem. 1099 00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,880 Do you know what? It's every child's dream to do a bin round. 1100 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,280 You can come back whenever you want. 1101 00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,080 We like the extra help. 1102 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,760 I bet you do. Definitely. 1103 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,760 So where do you take this stuff when you're done? 1104 00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,200 Goes to an AD centre, you know. 1105 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,000 An AD centre? 1106 00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,320 Compared to landfill, 1107 00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,640 an anaerobic digestion centre - 1108 00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,520 AD for short - is one way to reduce emissions. 1109 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,720 And this one in Staffordshire is one of the largest plants 1110 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,680 of its kind in Europe. 1111 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,400 This is the reception hall, where all the trucks come in 1112 00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,000 to deliver the food waste. 1113 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,960 It's a bit different to the reception halls 1114 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,160 I've been in before. 1115 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,600 We don't do much dancing in this one. 1116 00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,080 And how much am I looking at right now? 1117 00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,320 At the moment, with the bunkers full, towards the end of the day, 1118 00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,080 there's about 100 ton there. 1119 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,760 100 ton! 1120 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,920 And there's four of those bunkers today. 1121 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,600 One bunker is roughly 20,000 weekly households. 1122 00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,280 It's 2,000 tons coming in a week. 1123 00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,040 Normally, you see waste and the bin juice 1124 00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,920 and you're like, "Urgh" but like, 1125 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,880 I don't know, it's more sobering. 1126 00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,720 It's too...too important to be disgusted by 1127 00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,080 because it's, like, actually, this is here. It's a thing. 1128 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,520 It's all of our things. 1129 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,680 What we're looking at there is a resource 1130 00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,520 and we've got to capture that resource now. 1131 00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,720 This site was built to take 1132 00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,520 this grotesque pile 1133 00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:26,560 of unwanted food and turn it into something we do want - energy. 1134 00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,080 Welcome to the control room. 1135 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,680 Hello. 1136 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,360 This does not look simple. 1137 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,360 This looks like there's so many different moving parts. 1138 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,920 At the scale of this plant, which is one of the biggest in Europe, 1139 00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,440 it's very complex. 1140 00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,200 It costs us about £30 million 1141 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,720 when we first built it in 2011. 1142 00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,560 Large, complex industrial machinery 1143 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,120 takes the food waste, crushes it, 1144 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,360 removes contaminants and creates a soup unlike any other. 1145 00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,720 Would you like to see some? 1146 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,400 I'd love to see some. 1147 00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,760 This is a sample from today. 1148 00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,240 Stand back for a second. 1149 00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:03,080 Ooh! 1150 00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,960 I can't smell it yet. 1151 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,560 Really? Am I...? 1152 00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,600 Oh, no, I can smell it now! 1153 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,400 You can put the lid back on that. OK. 1154 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,440 This revolting soup is now ready to be turned into electricity. 1155 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,560 So the soup we've made in the building transfers over to the tank. 1156 00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,960 Bugs in there eat the soup 1157 00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,320 and create the biogas off the top of the tanks. 1158 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,560 The gas goes into the engines, 1159 00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,920 and the V20 cylinders are turning 1160 00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,240 an alternator and making electricity for about 15,000 homes. 1161 00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,880 I get it. 1162 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,240 Ready meals produce emissions at every stage, 1163 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,920 from farm, to factory, to food bin. 1164 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,040 Achieving net zero in just 25 years is a massive challenge. 1165 00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,720 We've seen all the effort going into cutting emissions 1166 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,040 in the food chain, but we are also relying on technology 1167 00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,080 that is still in its infancy 1168 00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,520 and could push up prices. 1169 00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,360 All of which means there's no guarantee 1170 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,120 our food will get to net zero by 2050. 1171 00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,440 But there is one thing we could do right now 1172 00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,480 if we only bought the food 1173 00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,840 we needed and didn't throw so much away, we could reduce food emissions 1174 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,840 by 18 million tons of carbon dioxide equivalent a year. 1175 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,640 Now that is roughly the same as doubling the amount 1176 00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,200 of woodland and forest in the UK. 152086

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