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Food - we eat nearly £250 billion
worth every year.
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But there's a problem.
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All the tasty grub we eat
comes at a cost to the planet.
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Our food generates more than
a quarter of UK carbon emissions.
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That is way more than driving
or even flying.
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But unlike driving and flying,
we simply can't live without it.
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So how can we reduce the emissions
in our food system?
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And what will that mean
for what we eat and how it's made?
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To find out, we're investigating
one of Britain's favourite foods -
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ready meals.
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Oh, yeah!
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Because making them involves every
part of our complicated food system.
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It is massive!
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And in seeing how emissions
could be reduced...
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Wow. OK!
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..we discover that getting them
to net zero
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might be the biggest challenge
the food industry faces.
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I have to say, you're blowing my mind
a little bit.
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Michelle Ackerley investigates
the tech that might
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temper our taste for meat...
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Oh, my word.
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..I investigate
the retailer's eco promises...
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Does that cover
own-brand ready meals? No.
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..and Fran Scott makes some shocking
discoveries in our food bins...
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Last summer I catch
one of these bins,
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maybe with 12 pigeons all dead.
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..all to find out if it will ever
be possible to get
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a net-zero ready meal
and what that will mean for us
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and the price of our food.
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Ready meals - 90% of us eat them.
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Tens of millions of us
enjoy them every single week.
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Hi, there, I'm Justin from the BBC.
I think they're expecting me.
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Oh, hi. Yes... Thank you.
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But how are they made?
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This is the latest and most
innovative food processing
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and packaging technology.
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These contraptions that slice, dice,
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grind, portion and pack
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make those oh-so-convenient
ready meals the pinnacle
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of modern food manufacturing.
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MULTIVAC are one of the companies
that make the machines
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that make ready meals.
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I'm meeting Liam Smith,
head of product management here.
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Hi, Justin. Nice to meet you.
So, I've got a challenge for you.
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Now, I've given this a little bit
of thought and I've come up with
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my own concept. It's interesting.
This is my meal concept,
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Justin Time For Dinner.
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I've actually thought up
a little jingle.
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LIAM CHUCKLES
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So...
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"If it's dinner time,
it's Justin Time."
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Of course it is. I like it. Yeah.
JUSTIN LAUGHS
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It's strong, isn't it? Absolutely.
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The meal I want to make is
sausage mash and peas with gravy. OK.
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What I'd like is a delicious meal,
but also as close to net zero
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as we can get it.
Can you help me, Liam?
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Let's take a look
at some of the machines.
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Probably starting with
our Laska grinder system.
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To make my sausage and mash ready
meal, Liam is going to unleash some
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of his state-of-the-art
food processing machines.
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First up...
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Wow.
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..the meat grinder.
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So, what's this machine?
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This is where we can add
your special ingredients
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and put it all together
into the mix.
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So, let's get these special
spices in just in time.
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Big machines like these,
used up and down the country
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to make ready meals,
use a lot of power.
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And food manufacturers
across the industry
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are looking for ways to reduce
their CO2 emissions.
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That's why Liam's latest tech
has been redesigned to reduce
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the power it uses.
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So, recently with this machine,
we changed the motor design,
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reduced the power consumption
by 30%.
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So, it's trying to eek away
at every little saving you can get.
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Bit by bit, to try and eek away
at those CO2 savings.
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Time for machine number three.
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Yeah, let's make sausages.
What do I do?
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Go for it, Justin.
So, I push this lever here?
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Push that lever with your knee.
Simple as that.
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Oh, there we go. Look at that.
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So satisfying!
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Yeah, it's looking good, isn't it?
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Remember, if it's dinner time...
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It's Justin Time. ..it's Justin
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Time! That's it, Liam!
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LIAM LAUGHS
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It is unforgettable, isn't it?
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Sausages made, now for the mash...
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..and ANOTHER machine.
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Now, we've got to the stage
where we are...
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We're packing
Justin Time For Dinner, aren't we?
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Yes, this is where we can
semi-automatically
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put the mashed potato
into Justin's Dinner.
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Look at that. You press go.
Easy, isn't it?
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Bangers and mash...Justin Time.
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Ready meals are still
as popular as ever.
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And no wonder, because machines
that work this fast
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help some ready meals to be sold
for as little as a pound.
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It is kind of magical to see
a production line working, isn't it?
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Yeah. Stand-alone machines are
one thing, but when you bolt them
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all together, that's where you get
the ultimate efficiency.
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That speed doesn't just mean
low prices,
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but lower carbon emissions, too.
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So, kind of hidden in
carbon reduction is speed.
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So, if we're able to make
a full line run faster using
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the automation that we've got just
here, we can reduce the time
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that we're running,
reducing our carbon emissions.
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So, the quicker you do it, the
less carbon you're going to use...
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Exactly. ..the less time
you need to run your factory.
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So, if we've got a factory that's
running Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
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Thursday, Friday, Saturday, that 20%
reduction means we can knock
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an entire shift off. So
they don't have to bring staff in.
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Need the lights on...
Refrigeration, air conditioning,
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we can remove all that.
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So, that is part of your effort
to drive down emissions? Yes.
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That's one way we can bring in
carbon reduction
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in quite a stealthily way,
through speed.
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And that's what you're seeing here
on this line.
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Ready meals are sometimes criticised
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as being ultra-processed food
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and unhealthy, but we still love
them, spending a whopping
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£3.9 billion on them every year.
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And they cause up to 16%
of the greenhouse gas emissions
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from our food and drink industry.
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The Government has committed
to making the UK net zero by 2050,
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meaning we emit no more carbon
dioxide than we can absorb back.
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But the food industry has a plan.
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Amazingly, like the rest
of the economy,
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food companies say
they will be net zero by 2050,
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and they say the ready meal, that
marvel of modern food production,
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will be carbon neutral
in just 25 years.
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But is it possible?
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We are going to investigate
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all stages of a ready meal's life,
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from agriculture to manufacturing
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and processing, packaging,
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retail, even the home,
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to look at how we can hope
to reduce emissions,
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starting at where we get them
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in the first place.
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This is a Tesco distribution centre
in Avonmouth, just outside Bristol.
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It serves more than 300 stores
in Wales
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and the South West of England.
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And just look at it. It is massive!
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If you've ever bought a ready meal
from a supermarket,
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it will have moved through
a place like this.
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And there is another crucial fact
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about this distribution centre.
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Ooh.
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It's cold.
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It's actually really, really cold
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because this entire place
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is one giant refrigerator.
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Tesco, Britain's biggest supermarket,
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has 11 of these chilled
distribution centres across the UK.
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It is part of what is called
the cold chain, the crucial system
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that keeps their chilled and frozen
shelves stocked all year round.
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And keeping a place this size cold...
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..takes a lot of power.
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Hey, Rob. How are you doing?
Hi, Justin. Good to meet you.
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It is chilly in here, isn't it?
Yeah, it's two degrees.
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I'm putting my gloves on.
So, two degrees is what,
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about the same as your
domestic fridge, your home fridge?
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Except, of
course, this is way, way bigger!
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Add in the many fridges and freezers
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in stores, and refrigeration
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in British supermarkets uses 1%
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of the entire country's electricity.
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So, it must take a lot of energy
to keep this place cold.
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Well, it's measured in
gigawatt hours of energy each year.
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So, you measure it in gigawatts.
So, I know kilowatts
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from my energy metre. But that's
what, a million times that?
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That's right, yeah.
That's a lot of energy.
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Rob works for Star Refrigeration,
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the UK's largest
industrial refrigeration business.
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They keep Tesco's
distribution centres cold.
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And to witness that in action
is chilling.
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The warm air travels up
from the ground below
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and we blow that air
over these heat exchangers.
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And then the cold air
is blown out of here. Yes.
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Let's have a look.
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That really is cold. That wicks the
heat out of your skin, doesn't it?
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Yeah... Same process!
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..it's two degrees lower
as it's going out that side. Wow.
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Having sucked the heat out of
this giant fridge,
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it needs to be spat out
somewhere else.
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And if you think your fridge
at home can be noisy,
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here, it's on another level entirely.
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LOUD WHIRRING
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So, what is that noise
that we're hearing?
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The noise that we're hearing is the
compression of the refrigerant gas.
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And the reason we're doing that
is we want to extract the heat
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from inside the rooms
that you went in earlier,
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and we need to move it to outside.
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On the roof of here,
we have what is called a condenser,
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and that takes that heat and it
passes it out to the outside air.
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This is one of the major
electrical consumers
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in the refrigeration process.
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But some clever new tech has reduced
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Tesco's enormous electricity bill.
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SOFT WHIRRING
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Well, it's a lot quieter here,
isn't it? Yes.
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Much better to speak in here.
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So, how do you go about
saving energy?
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We collect data from sensors
all the way across the site.
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We run a model of what the
refrigeration system is doing here.
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The model predicts what the
theoretical performance should be,
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and then we measure the
actual performance and we compare
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the two together.
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It sounds simple, but constantly
monitoring this colossal fridge
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means Rob can identify faulty
equipment or mechanical problems
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as soon as they arise.
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We're getting those issues sorted
out as quickly as we possibly can.
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Some of these items could go unseen
for weeks or months or even years.
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So, here's the question -
how much energy have you saved?
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Over a 12-month period, we saved
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2.3 gigawatt hours of electricity.
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Saving energy is good for reducing
costs as well as emissions,
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so it's no surprise that tech
like this is increasingly used
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in food distribution.
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But efficient warehouses
on their own will never get Tesco
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to net zero.
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There are a whole host of
other things that cause supermarket
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emissions, from heating and lighting
to the thousands of diesel trucks
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that send food around the country.
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To find out how all of this is
going to be net zero, I'm meeting
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Group Head of Energy at Tesco.
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What are you doing to make
efficiencies,
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to drive down the amount of energy
you use?
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We're converting our gas boilers
to electric heat pump technology.
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So, we're still on that journey.
We're also putting doors on fridges.
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We're in the process of electrifying
our fleet,
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whether that's from our distribution
fleet or our delivery vans.
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We are also using the railway.
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One train actually takes
76 lorries off the road.
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So, this is all about trying to find
efficiency savings wherever
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you can and cut the energy use.
Absolutely.
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Cut it down and also make it clean.
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That's our aim here.
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Tesco have committed to being carbon
neutral across their operations
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by 2035, but they still have to
reduce their emissions by 74%
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of current levels and have
just a decade to do it in.
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But even that is just a tiny part
of the challenge ahead for Tesco
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and for all the other supermarkets.
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I'm heading to London to the
trade body which represents
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all the major food shops.
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What do supermarkets mean when they
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talk about being net zero by 2050?
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Everything, basically.
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So, their own operations,
the emissions that come from that,
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but also all the emissions
that are generated by their food
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producers, producing the food that
then they sell to us as customers.
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The supermarkets are saying
they're going to be net zero
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in their supermarket operations
by 2035.
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But when they say "supermarket
operations", what does that mean?
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So, that's actually quite
a narrow part of their overall
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emissions.
Within supermarket operations,
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you're probably looking at around
4% or 5% of their total emissions.
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That's right.
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When you look at ready meals
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and the rest of our food, the shops
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we buy them from are only directly
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responsible for around 5%
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of the emissions.
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And it's only this bit that many
supermarkets have said will be
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net zero by 2035.
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Does that cover
own-brand ready meals? No.
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It only covers the operations
to move all of the food
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around, for the sales in the store,
the delivery to your homes.
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You know, it could be confusing
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for customers when supermarkets
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are saying, "We're net zero
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"in our supermarket operations
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"by 2035", and you look at
a ready meal and it's stamped
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with the supermarket's name,
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you might... Come on,
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you might well think, "Well, that's
part of the supermarket's operation."
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Shouldn't they be clearer about what
their commitments by 2035 cover?
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All we are saying at this stage
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is we cannot get to net zero
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for all of those foods,
including those ready meals,
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by 2035. That target is 2050.
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But there is a staging post
within that, which shows how much
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progress we are making towards
that 2050 net zero goal.
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Don't those 2050 claims burnish
the supermarkets' reputations,
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enhance their reputations, make them
look as if they're doing something,
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but actually, you've said
96% of the responsibility
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lies with other businesses,
other companies' farmers?
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No, absolutely not.
It actually lies with the...
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It is the retailer that is making
that claim, that is making
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that statement, that is working...
But they can make those claims,
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but they don't have to actually
change their production practices.
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But... It is farmers and other
suppliers who need to do that.
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Absolutely... So, in a sense,
my point being... Yeah.
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In a sense, they're kind of
passing the buck.
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They're saying, "We'll take
responsibility for that",
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as if they are taking, but actually,
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they're going to be saying to their
suppliers,
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"Guys, you've got to sort this out."
No...
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No. Costs fall with other people,
don't they?
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No. The ultimate judgment
on whether they are successful
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will lie with the retailer.
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That's how we shop in this country.
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The brand has taken
the responsibility for it.
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They have to deliver.
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They have to work with
their farmers and producers
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to make the difference.
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So it is still a 25-year wait
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for net-zero ready meals,
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and 95% of food emissions
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come from outside
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of supermarket operations.
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Before they reach the supermarkets,
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ready meals produce emissions
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in the factories where they're made.
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Earlier, I saw some machines
that help process and pack
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our ready meals.
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But there is one crucial step
we haven't yet seen - cooking.
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If there's one thing that ready
meals do, it's take away the hassle
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of actual cooking.
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Now, don't get me wrong, I can cut up
an onion and rustle up a stew
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as good as the next person,
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but sometimes that convenience
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of the ready meal, it's hard to beat.
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But getting someone else to rustle up
a beef stroganoff instead of me
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comes at a carbon cost...
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..because cooking and factories
often uses fossil fuels,
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and a recent study has shown ready
meals have a larger carbon footprint
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than home-cooked versions.
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So I'm visiting a company...
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Let's get it all in.
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..that's trying to get the cooking
emissions of a ready meal down.
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Oh, yeah!
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Now, I am a woman that loves a robot.
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And this is a beautiful robot.
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But it's hard to fathom
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that it's got anything to do
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with cooking up a meal.
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These robotic arms are at the
cutting edge of food technology.
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I do recognise what it's doing.
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Just like I stand in front of a
cooking pot and add ingredients,
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it is adding ingredients
to its cooking pot.
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It's just the whole thing
looks more car assembly line
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than country kitchen.
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It is impressive, to be sure.
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But how will all this
help reduce emissions in cooking?
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Hiya, Jake! Hi, Fran!
Nice to meet you! You too.
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So, Jake, what exactly can you cook
in your pot?
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The sort of things that we can make
are all those sort of traditional,
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liquid-based products
that go into a ready meal.
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So we could be making soups, sauces,
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curries, gravies,
those sorts of things.
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We've got a robot that basically
pulls together the different raw
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materials. A bit like when you're
at home, you've got your spice rack,
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this robot goes and picks up
a container and then weighs out
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the paprika, the salt,
into another vessel,
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and then literally pours it
into the cooking vessel.
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As impressive as that robot is,
when it comes to energy savings,
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Jake's secret sauce
is in how he cooks it.
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So, what's making all the big
energy savings here is
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the steam-infusion
cooking technology.
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So, if you imagine, normally,
those cooks would take around
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45 minutes in a traditional cooking
vessel. With the steam infusion
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in there, we can cook up a tonne
in less than ten minutes.
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Whoa!
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A traditional industrial
cooking vessel heats the food
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from the outside, but Jake's design
uses a steam probe
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inserted into the vessel
to cook from the middle.
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It's more efficient to cook,
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but it's not the only saving.
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Normally, when you're cooking
industrially, you're basically
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heating the liquid
from the outside. Right.
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Now, when you do that, it's a bit
like when you cook at home.
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If you've got it on high heat,
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it'll burn to the side
of the vessel.
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So, actually, it can take
more energy
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to clean the vessel than it does
to actually cook in it.
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If you actually cook from the centre
of the vessel with steam,
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then we don't get any burn on
whatsoever, so the actual cleaning
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requirements are significantly less.
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Just like my washing up at home,
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anything that speeds that up
has got to be good.
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So, how much energy
does all this save?
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What kind of figures
are we talking about?
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So, on a traditional process, to
make a tonne of sauce, you'll use
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anywhere between 500 to 1,200
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kilowatt hours per tonne of energy.
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With the robotics and the
steam-infusion technology,
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we can reduce that down to less than
250 kilowatt hours per tonne,
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which is obviously a big difference.
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But the more exciting part of that
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is that at the higher levels,
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if you're using 1,000 kilowatts
an hour per tonne,
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you will need to be using it
from fossil fuels.
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Whereas, as we get down to lower
than 250, we can use
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electricity and renewables.
That's pretty genius.
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By using less power,
it opens up the more renewable,
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more sustainable ways
of generating electricity
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that wouldn't be available if you
were using more power. Exactly.
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Switching ready meal cooking
from gas to electric
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has the potential
to be game-changing,
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because the food and drink industry
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is the biggest gas consumer
in the UK.
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But robots and steam infusion
are only just starting
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to be used here.
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It would need massive investment
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to tool up the whole industry,
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which could drive up the price
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of our super cheap
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ready meals significantly.
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Still, this has been
an eye-opening experience for me.
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It is cooking,
but not quite as we know it.
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We eat it as this humble meal
at home, and yet the technology
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that goes into cooking it in the
first place is quite mind-boggling.
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And yet that technology
is absolutely crucial
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if we are going to get anywhere
near the net-zero ready meal.
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JUSTIN: Greenhouse gas emissions
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from manufacturing add up to 10%
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of the total in our food system.
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Of course, cooking a ready meal
is one thing, but to get
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to our dinner plates,
it needs packaging.
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One study by a sustainable packaging
company claims 90% of ready meals
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are encased in plastic.
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But one of the biggest environmental
challenges we face
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is plastic pollution.
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Packaging has come in for a really
bad press in recent years,
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and lots of manufacturers
have reduced how much
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plastic they use.
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So what will a net-zero future
for ready meals mean when it comes
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to the packaging?
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I'm back at MULTIVAC who, as well
as a lot of machinery, also sell
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a lot of packaging products
and materials.
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So I want to see what they recommend
for my ready meal product line.
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Right, Elliott, you are the packaging
expert. Here is my product,
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Justin Time For Dinner. I want
a net-zero packaging for this.
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I was thinking something like this.
Yeah.
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Yeah. Cardboard, paper...
Can't get any better, can you?
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Well, fortunately, Justin, you can.
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So, contrary to popular belief,
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when we factor in food preservation,
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plastic is actually better
for the environment,
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in terms of carbon emissions.
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I'm talking about plastic in
food preservation specifically...
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Yeah. ..not unnecessary use
of plastic.
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That's right.
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Research has shown, across
the lifespan, plastic can have lower
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carbon emissions than alternatives,
and Elliott says some clever design
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can reap other rewards, too.
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Take Sainsbury's mince, for example.
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They recently moved from sort of
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a traditional... A tray packaging.
..tray packaging
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and made it into a flexible
packaging and vacuum pack.
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Yeah, but this is plastic.
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It is, but it doubled the shelf life
of the product.
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It saved 75% worth of plastic
on the shelf. And it's so smaller
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than a tray,
you can get more in a truck.
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So you save a lot of trucks.
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And when we do all the maths,
together, you're talking about
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8,000 tons of CO2 a year saved.
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My aim is reducing emissions
as far as possible
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for Justin Time For Dinner.
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Maximising shelf life
while minimising product size
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and packaging emissions
has led Elliott to a novel idea.
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I like to come up with
different concepts.
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This is off the Richter scale
in terms of what people
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would get a ready meal for.
It's quite neat, isn't it?
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Yeah. With its little compartments.
Yeah, yeah.
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Microwavable, as well.
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And how long would it extend
the shelf life of my product?
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It's under a vacuum, so we could
actually double the shelf life
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of a normal ready meal
by doing it that way.
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I mean, I'm imagining it's going to
sell pretty quickly...
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Well, there you go.
Yeah. So you might not need
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the double shelf life!
There we go, straight off.
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It's still a good idea...
On the shelf for day one,
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sold out by day two. That's the
goal. So, let me just be clear.
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So, if you're saying...
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You're saying plastic may be
the best, most eco-friendly option
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for me
because it provides such good...
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If carbon net zero is your goal...
Yes, it is. Yeah.
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..then plastic should be
one of your considerations.
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One of my... You're actually...
One of your considerations.
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Well, you're actually saying,
Elliott, you think I should choose
486
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,640
plastic, don't you? I personally
think for this one, yeah.
487
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,880
Your goal is carbon reduction...
It is! ..and carbon net zero. Yeah.
488
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,160
Carbon net zero, really...
489
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,080
I have to say,
you're blowing my mind a little bit.
490
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,680
Reducing packaging emissions
491
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,680
sounds like a trade-off.
492
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,640
No-one wants more plastic waste,
493
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,480
but we only recycle around
494
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,600
half of our plastic packaging
495
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,640
and the soft plastics
Elliott is talking about
496
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,560
aren't typically collected
by councils.
497
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,040
No, we're not great at recycling it,
and we need to make
498
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,760
the downstream part
of recycling easier.
499
00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:37,960
What about the future?
500
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,120
Are there going to be
net zero packaging options?
501
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:42,320
There has to be some new technology
that comes through.
502
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,640
Packaging made out of seaweed
is just one that blows my mind,
503
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,600
but it's going to need something
different to change the game,
504
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,280
to be able to get to net zero.
505
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,560
Elliott's best advice
might be plastic,
506
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,800
but it does still cause emissions.
507
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,680
There are lots of new innovations,
but right now,
508
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,920
we're still a long way
from net zero,
509
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,000
and emissions from packaging
account for 6%
510
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,200
of the total emissions
in our food system.
511
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,800
Then there's transport,
until it's decarbonised
512
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,040
with the likes of electric vehicles,
513
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,520
the impact of shifting food
makes up another 11%.
514
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Add in retail and manufacturing -
515
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:24,920
that makes up a third.
516
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,200
But by far the biggest source
517
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,760
of emissions in our food system,
518
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,520
including ready meals,
519
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,120
comes from growing the food
520
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:35,840
in the first place -
521
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,200
agriculture.
522
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,080
MICHELLE: It feels like a long way
from your local supermarket
523
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,960
to the jungles of Indonesia.
524
00:26:47,360 --> 00:26:49,280
But when it comes to ready meals,
525
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,240
the ingredients are grown
all over the world.
526
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:59,000
Take palm oil, a cooking oil
that's used in many ready meals
527
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,000
and thousands of other products.
528
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,480
But it's controversial because
most of it is grown on land
529
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160
that was once tropical rainforest,
530
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,920
which is bad
for global climate change.
531
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,600
So, is there an alternative?
532
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,960
Oh, wow.
This is impressive, Chris.
533
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,360
But I've got to ask,
how does this relate to palm oil?
534
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:24,480
So in this process hall,
we're using a technique
535
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,880
called precision fermentation.
536
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,240
What's that, then?
537
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,680
Well, it's a little bit like
fermentation,
538
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,240
but instead of making the beer
or the cider,
539
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,000
we're actually after
the cell itself.
540
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,320
Precision fermentation is the use
of microbes to produce
541
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,680
useful products such as insulin.
542
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,280
Chris has been working for a decade
to develop this technique
543
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,800
to produce a palm oil alternative.
544
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,120
Ultimately, it's a very efficient
process.
545
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,480
We have only a fraction
of the carbon emissions
546
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,000
of a traditional oil,
547
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,280
and we can see savings of over 93%
548
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,640
compared to palm, soybean,
or even rapeseed.
549
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,880
So this is the finished product?
That's the finished product, yeah.
550
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,560
With a tank of this size, then,
how much oil are you getting?
551
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,720
Well, this is a development tank,
so that's not really going to make
552
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,440
a big dent in the market,
553
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,320
and so now we need to get this
to a bigger scale.
554
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:16,720
We use millions of tons of
different cooking oils every year.
555
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,800
That's going to take
a lot of fermenting,
556
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,400
but Chris is certainly aiming big.
557
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,200
Wow. OK. Chris, I mean...
558
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,480
This is 220,000 litres.
Oh, my word!
559
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,280
And this is really
where we have to be
560
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,160
to be commercially viable,
because we can produce 1,000 tons
561
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,960
of oil a year from that.
562
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,680
In terms of quantity,
Chris, how does this compare
563
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,880
to a palm oil plantation?
564
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,200
Just one of these reactors
would be equivalent
565
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800
to 250 hectares
of a palm oil plantation.
566
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,600
Now, in a mid-size facility
where we've got 20 of these,
567
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,640
that would be about 5,000 hectares
of land which we've saved.
568
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,840
But will it be enough?
569
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,120
Annually, we use hundreds of
thousands of tons of palm oil
570
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,920
in the UK alone.
571
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:11,080
Replacing that would require
over 500 tanks of this size -
572
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:15,200
a huge investment in what's still
a very new technology.
573
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,920
JUSTIN: While protecting global
rainforests is crucial in the fight
574
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,000
against climate change, there are
a whole host of agricultural
575
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,680
greenhouse gas emissions
created much closer to home,
576
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,560
because around half of the food
on our plates is produced in the UK,
577
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,760
and 70% of British land
is used for agriculture.
578
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,560
Hey, Martha, I'm Justin,
how are you? Hi, Justin.
579
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,280
Yeah, good. Nice to meet you.
580
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,320
Martha Hayes runs a 1,000 acre
family farm in Lincolnshire.
581
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,560
I want to know how she's feeling
about the whole net zero project.
582
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,720
Cup of tea?
I'd love a cup of tea. Thank you.
583
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Lovely. So, how long
have you been farming for?
584
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,960
In short, sort of all my life.
585
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,680
I'm the fourth generation
on this farm to be...
586
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,680
Fourth... So your
great-grandfather got the farm?
587
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,760
He came here to this farm
sort of 1940s.
588
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,400
This is him, actually. Oh!
589
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,800
So that's my great-grandfather.
590
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,680
And then this is my grandfather.
591
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,320
Very well dressed.
592
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,400
Yeah, not just dressed for -
not working that day. No.
593
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,040
And then Dad and I in this photo.
594
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Oh, that's lovely.
So we're both farming together now.
595
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Including Martha and her dad,
596
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,480
just three people work on what is
597
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,440
a pretty big farm,
598
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,720
and there's only one reason
599
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,600
they're able to farm all this land.
600
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,840
And it's basically like
a mini service station, isn't it?
601
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,600
Yeah, it works exactly the same way.
602
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,000
How much does it take?
603
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,240
It'll take about 200 litres.
604
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,360
Like so many of our industries,
605
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:06,080
agriculture is built
on fossil fuels,
606
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,800
and farmers need a lot of it.
607
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,920
So just put this in here, yeah?
Yeah, just pop that in there.
608
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,280
How much do I owe you?
609
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,160
But, seriously, I mean, diesel
must cost you a lot of money.
610
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,160
It's doing so many jobs
on your farm.
611
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,760
We'd be spending between
612
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,000
£10,000 and £20,000 a year on fuel.
613
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000
Wow, £10,000 or £20,000.
614
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,920
On Britain's farms,
diesel is essential.
615
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,120
Oh, wow. Look at that!
616
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,080
Yeah. So this is
the combine harvester.
617
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,960
It looks like a huge insect,
doesn't it?
618
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,320
So this is our key part of harvest,
619
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,600
this is what brings in the grain.
620
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,720
And, of course,
machinery means emissions.
621
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,360
As with other parts
of the transport sector,
622
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,560
finding alternatives to
diesel engines will be important.
623
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,240
So, Martha, I mean, fossil fuels
are the absolute foundation
624
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,160
of modern life, aren't they?
625
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,040
They power our industry,
they power our homes,
626
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,040
our transport,
absolutely everything.
627
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,440
So how important a source
of greenhouse gases
628
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,480
is all the diesel you use?
629
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,120
Yeah, so obviously it is a big
source of emissions
630
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,600
and as farmers,
we do need to address this.
631
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,080
So we are reducing
the amount of fossil fuel
632
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,280
that we are using on the farm.
633
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,040
But, actually, this isn't
the key source of emissions.
634
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,560
Diesel is actually the least
of the problems when it comes to
635
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,840
greenhouse gas emissions
in agriculture.
636
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,280
In fact, CO2 emissions
637
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,640
only make up around 15%.
638
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,760
For an arable farmer like Martha,
639
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:38,880
the main villain
640
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400
when it comes to global climate
641
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040
change is another gas entirely -
642
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,080
nitrous oxide.
643
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,680
So the nitrous oxide
comes from this stuff, yeah?
644
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,440
Yeah. From fertiliser?
645
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,000
Artificial fertiliser, exactly.
646
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,360
Can I have a look?
647
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,440
Yeah, take a look inside.
648
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,400
Oh, so it comes in the form of
little balls? Granules, yeah.
649
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,080
And how many tons are you using?
650
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800
On average,
probably over 100 tons a year.
651
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:06,800
100 tons of this?
652
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,560
So we're talking, like,
I don't know, 160, 170 bags
653
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,320
of this stuff.
654
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:14,560
This is hugely important
for the production of food.
655
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,800
Without artificial fertiliser,
656
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,000
yields would be sort of 50% less.
657
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,080
Some estimates say without it,
658
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,480
we couldn't feed
half the global population.
659
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,760
Synthetic fertiliser
is made from ammonia,
660
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,080
which is manufactured
by the Haber-Bosch process.
661
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,960
It involves using nitrogen
from the air and hydrogen
662
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,280
from natural gas, mixed under
663
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,680
huge pressure
and very high temperatures.
664
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,080
All that creates a massive
carbon footprint -
665
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,560
roughly 1% of global CO2 emissions.
666
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:59,120
But an even bigger problem
is caused when fertiliser is used.
667
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:03,600
Bacteria in the soil break it down
and release nitrous oxide
668
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,760
into the atmosphere.
669
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,160
It's a powerful greenhouse gas,
670
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,480
265 times more potent
671
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,360
than carbon dioxide.
672
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,240
Fertiliser use is a major source
of nitrous oxide, which,
673
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,960
according to the UK government,
is responsible for over a quarter
674
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,840
of emissions from agriculture.
675
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:30,120
So a net zero future is going to
need new approaches to fertiliser.
676
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:36,000
FRAN: Marine Valton is the CEO of
one of a number of companies
677
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,320
working to develop novel
fertiliser technology.
678
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,880
She is using a type of bacteria
called blue-green algae.
679
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,240
So what is it that you're doing
that's different
680
00:34:47,240 --> 00:34:49,840
from traditional fertiliser methods?
681
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,320
So we are using
biological fertiliser.
682
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,400
So we are using specific
cyanobacteria,
683
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:59,000
which are coming from the soil
of the farmers directly.
684
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,880
And these cyanobacteria are able to
capture both carbon and nitrogen
685
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,320
from the atmosphere.
686
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,120
And they capture the carbon,
687
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,560
I suppose just like any green plant
does with photosynthesis?
688
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:10,760
Exactly.
689
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,440
But not only that, these also
capture nitrogen, you're saying?
690
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,840
Yes, these are the specific ones
that we are using,
691
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:17,480
they capture nitrogen, yes.
692
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,600
That's genius.
693
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,760
Unlike the Haber-Bosch process,
694
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,960
Marine's biological fertiliser
695
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,520
doesn't need high temperature
or pressure.
696
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,400
The next step for Marine
697
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
is to produce lots of her algae.
698
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,680
So how does something like this
699
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,440
go into a product that farmers
700
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,160
can use on their fields?
701
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,240
We harvest those algae
and then we transform them
702
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:41,760
into a bio fertiliser,
703
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160
the product that the farmers can use
704
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,920
on their farms and that kind of
looks like that.
705
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,880
This is a very small sample
of what we are doing.
706
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,120
Surely it's still going to release
nitrous oxide into the atmosphere?
707
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,760
So, actually, we are applying
those cyanobacteria alive
708
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,040
onto the fields.
709
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,680
So that means that they keep
capturing nitrogen
710
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,160
from the atmosphere and
carbon dioxide once applied as well.
711
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,560
You know, they will release nitrogen
in a slow-release manner
712
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,680
for them to be uptaken slowly
and then you would avoid
713
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,440
all of this loss that is happening
with chemical fertilisers.
714
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,240
In theory, this technology
sounds revolutionary,
715
00:36:20,240 --> 00:36:23,200
but does it actually work
in practice?
716
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,720
We've done field trials.
717
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,680
We've been able to show that
our product actually increases
718
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,000
the yield by 21% compared to
the chemical fertilisers.
719
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,480
These are just the results
of a single trial
720
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,760
carried out by the company.
721
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,480
But even if these results
can be verified, it will take
722
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,840
an enormous investment in companies
like this to replace the hundreds
723
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,640
of millions of tons of fertiliser
used globally,
724
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,080
perhaps affecting the price
of our ready meals.
725
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,360
And nitrous oxide
from fertiliser is only one part
726
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,960
of the farming story.
727
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,440
That's because there's another
major source of greenhouse gases
728
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:02,600
on the farm...
729
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:03,920
CATTLE LOW
730
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,200
..animals.
731
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,040
JUSTIN: Oh, yeah, look,
they definitely know!
732
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,280
Most of Martha's farm
grows arable crops,
733
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:15,880
but she also has a herd
of more than 100 beef cattle.
734
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,000
They seem quite content.
735
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,120
They're very chilled,
happy cows, yeah.
736
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,920
Oh, look, here they come.
737
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,800
We've got to get some more.
738
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,880
Compared to growing crops,
739
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,160
raising livestock
is hugely inefficient.
740
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,240
It takes a lot of land to raise cows
741
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:35,280
for all the milk, cheese, and beef
742
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,640
in our ready meals.
743
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,280
There's also the land used
to grow their feed -
744
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,160
land that could be used
for something else, or even worse,
745
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,680
land that has been cleared
of forests.
746
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,120
A big source of emissions
747
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,200
with cattle is the fact that, often,
748
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,360
food is imported,
and often it contains soya,
749
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,400
which is clearly a really big part
of deforestation and,
750
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,720
you know, emissions globally.
751
00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,280
This food is grown here on our farm,
752
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,000
so it's just come from
a few fields away
753
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:08,640
and it's a really good way
754
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,760
of feeding our cattle a natural,
755
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,760
sustainable product
that is grown here.
756
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,800
But more important is the gas
that comes out of both ends
757
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,040
of these cows.
758
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,600
Their digestion process
produces methane,
759
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,280
another potent greenhouse gas.
760
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,920
Over half of the UK's agricultural
emissions come from methane.
761
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,960
But they do still produce methane?
762
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,640
We can't get away from that.
763
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,120
Cattle and sheep do emit methane,
764
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,480
but they also play
765
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,640
a really important part
766
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,960
in managing our landscape.
767
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,000
The way that we manage our cattle
here is very extensive.
768
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,480
You know, we're using home-grown
food to finish them.
769
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,800
The type of cattle that we have here
770
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,160
are native pedigree Lincoln Reds.
771
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,360
So, as a breed,
they're very quick to mature,
772
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,760
they need low quantities of food
773
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,160
to get to that level of maturity.
774
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,840
Getting to full maturity faster
775
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:07,720
means less time emitting methane.
776
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:08,920
But, of course,
777
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:10,840
there is another option.
778
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,240
So, Martha, here's the question -
779
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:15,080
should we be eating beef?
780
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,040
Yes, I think we absolutely should.
781
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
There is an argument that we need
782
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,000
to be eating less beef,
783
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:22,480
but better quality beef.
784
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,320
So beef which is produced here
in Britain has a much lower
785
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,760
environmental impact
than that produced
786
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:30,680
in other parts of the world.
787
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,000
It's not the world's worst-emitting
beef, but it also isn't the best.
788
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,160
Some farmers in the UK are now
using special additives to reduce
789
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,400
the methane from their herds,
790
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,600
but many argue we should simply
eat less meat.
791
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,240
Meat consumption is falling,
792
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,920
but the British public is unlikely
to completely give it up
793
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,440
any time soon -
794
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,680
unless there are tempting
alternatives, that is.
795
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,680
MICHELLE: Options like this.
796
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,160
It looks quite meaty,
and, to be honest, I quite like it.
797
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,600
I mean, for vegans and vegetarians,
798
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:03,840
it's a no-brainer.
799
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,600
But for the committed carnivores,
800
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,920
the fact is - it doesn't
really taste like meat.
801
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,760
I mean, close maybe,
but it's not the real deal, is it?
802
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:18,760
Supermarkets have tried to cash in
on the trend for meat alternatives
803
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,840
and vegan ready meals, but some
consumers didn't like the taste
804
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,280
or the cost,
and sales have stagnated,
805
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
so it may take some radical thinking
806
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,600
to re-excite our taste buds.
807
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,360
I've come to a place
that calls itself Hoxton Farms.
808
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,600
Despite being in this decidedly
non-agricultural location,
809
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,320
now they think they have the answer
to reducing meat consumption,
810
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,080
even amongst the most hardcore
meat eaters.
811
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,560
Here in hipster Hoxton,
in east London,
812
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,680
they think they've cracked it.
813
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:57,480
Development chef Josh is cooking up
something special - just for me.
814
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,640
So I've got a little bit of
the pork fat in here.
815
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,640
Yeah. And I'm going to just put
a bit in a pan,
816
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,480
because I just want you
to see and smell and experience
817
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,200
just how it performs.
818
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:09,760
It's pork fat tissue.
819
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,080
This is going to sizzle, smell and
feel exactly like the real thing.
820
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:15,200
So just melts in the same way?
821
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,120
You just start to see it
starting to sizzle
822
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,840
and start to melt a little bit.
823
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,000
But get in now... You get that,
like, meaty, porky-ness that...
824
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,480
I can smell it.
825
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,120
It looks like pork fat
and it smells like pork fat,
826
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:32,160
but it comes from
a surprising source.
827
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,000
It's a secret ingredient
that's been designed
828
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,160
to revolutionise meat substitutes.
829
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:38,520
Ooh...
830
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,760
So this is our pork belly prototype.
831
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,920
If you're imagining what's kind of
going into plant-based meat
832
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,280
at the moment... Oh, yeah.
..you'd never get this from it.
833
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,200
You don't get that sort of
structure and that sizzle,
834
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,080
that browning, that flavour.
835
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,480
It's got that real kind of makes
your mouth water... Yeah, very much.
836
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,640
..ooh, I'm about to eat something
837
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:55,080
good today type feel.
838
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,480
According to Josh, combining
his pork fat with plant protein
839
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,520
will be enough
to get meat eaters excited.
840
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,360
So in these meaty layers here,
841
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,240
what we have is plant proteins
842
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:09,000
that we combine with our fat.
843
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,440
Can I have a taste?
844
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,040
You can't have a taste just yet.
845
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:16,000
We're really close, but we're
just waiting for the green light
846
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,800
from regulators to be able
to give you this.
847
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Because this is just
a new ingredient.
848
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,080
When you say "just yet", you mean
because it's not cooked yet or...?
849
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,840
No, just because it's not
an ingredient yet
850
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,600
that we're allowed
to give to people.
851
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,240
Oh, my word.
852
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:30,200
You've teased me all this time
with your cooking talk! I know.
853
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,320
That's what we like to do here.
And now I can't even try it.
854
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,000
I know.
855
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,000
HE CHUCKLES
856
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:36,720
The product is so new,
it needs government approval
857
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,520
before it's allowed
anywhere near my mouth.
858
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,040
So I can't put Josh's theory
to the taste test,
859
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,600
but I can see the science.
860
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,760
Mathilde Thoulouze is the lead
bioprocess engineer
861
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,200
behind the project.
862
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,120
Hello, Mathilde.
Hello! Nice to meet you.
863
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:53,600
Welcome - grab a lab coat.
864
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:59,640
The process starts with a few
stem cells harvested from a pig.
865
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,080
Cells are the basic building blocks
of life, and these stem cells
866
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,320
can go on to develop
into all kinds of cells,
867
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:08,880
from bone to muscle.
868
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,400
Can we see any? Yes, let's get them
from the incubator.
869
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,560
Yes, please.
870
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,440
Once they have their stem cells,
871
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,880
they can grow and multiply
as many as they like
872
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,200
in a bioreactor.
873
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,840
No more animals or samples required.
874
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,640
What kind of conditions do the cells
need to be in, then, to grow?
875
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,160
Like in the body, they like to be
at a certain temperature,
876
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,560
a certain acidity.
877
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:33,920
And they also really need
878
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:35,800
specific foods in the same way
879
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,120
you do in your body, with proteins,
880
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,240
vitamins and things like this.
881
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:45,840
Some of the stem cells can then be
taken to the next miraculous step.
882
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,720
The scientists need to persuade them
883
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:50,560
to transform into fat.
884
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,040
How do you turn them into fat cells?
885
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,680
One of the main ways of triggering
that is by changing the food
886
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,880
we give them so that they
turn into fat cells,
887
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,520
and then they become fattier
and fattier through the week.
888
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,400
Can we have a look at some? Yes.
889
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,400
So, here you can see the fat
droplets, smaller and bigger ones.
890
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,960
So the smaller one would be
at the beginning of the process
891
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,080
and the larger one would be
when the process is completed.
892
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,360
You can see the fat droplets
893
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,680
right in front of your eyes.
894
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,880
That is very satisfying to see them
developed at the end.
895
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,800
Oh, it's great because in a good
experiment, you will see your cells
896
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,400
getting fattier every day and
you can see the lipid droplets
897
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:28,920
getting bigger and bigger.
898
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,800
The next step is harvest,
899
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,840
so we need to recover the cells
900
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,120
and separate them
from their environment.
901
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Once you've harvested the cells,
what happens next?
902
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,160
Well, we get product.
903
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:41,560
Oh, wow.
904
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,360
So this is animal fat? Yes.
905
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,400
This is pork fat. Oh, my word.
906
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,560
That is incredible.
I mean, it looks just like lard.
907
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,440
It is, it is real pork fat.
908
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,040
It might not satisfy vegans.
909
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:57,080
Biologically,
this really is pork fat.
910
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,880
But the founders of this company
claim it could be a game-changer
911
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,920
when it comes to carbon emissions.
912
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,680
In terms of timeline,
then, guys, what's next?
913
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,160
When am I going to see these products
on the supermarket shelves?
914
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,640
So we're a couple of years away,
I think, from having products
915
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,600
on supermarket shelves in the UK.
916
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,720
And what about carbon emissions?
917
00:45:17,720 --> 00:45:20,320
Because if the plan is to scale up,
918
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,040
surely a lot of energy
919
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,320
is going to be used
to actually create the product?
920
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,240
We do need to use energy to create
the product, but nowhere near
921
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,680
the amount of energy
that you need for traditional
922
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,240
intensive animal agriculture.
923
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:37,120
That's the biggest reason
why we started Hoxton Farms,
924
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,000
to change the way that people eat
in a way that's much better
925
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,720
for the environment.
926
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:45,320
Products containing our cultivated
fat as an ingredient
927
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,560
will have carbon emissions of
something around 90% to 95% less
928
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,960
than traditional meat does.
929
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,840
These are bold claims,
and while this company has had
930
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,760
tens of millions of pounds
in investments,
931
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,560
that's small beer
up against the £11 billion
932
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,600
meat production industry.
933
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,480
It's clearly fairly early days
for this company,
934
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:13,640
but if technologies allow us
to get the animal food
935
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,920
without the animal farming,
well, it does feel like a net zero
936
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,720
future will involve
companies like this one.
937
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:23,560
JUSTIN: Campaigners
and even government committees
938
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:28,320
have recommended we cut our meat
intake for environmental reasons.
939
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,000
So should we reduce the number
of meaty ready meals we eat?
940
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,320
The National Farmers' Union
doesn't think so.
941
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,800
The Climate Change Committee
recommends meat and dairy consumption
942
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,080
decline by 20% by 2030,
943
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,840
and 35% by 2050.
944
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:47,920
Does the NFU, the National Union
of Farmers, accept those figures?
945
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,760
Look, we don't accept those figures
because we know that when we
946
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,600
look at our red meat production,
947
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,360
we believe we're in the top 50%
948
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,600
of global producers with the least
carbon footprint for our red meat.
949
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Our dairy production
is world leading.
950
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:04,200
You say UK beef and lamb
has a relatively low carbon footprint
951
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,720
compared to that produced abroad,
952
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:09,680
but it's still way higher
than plant-based foods, isn't it?
953
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,240
I mean, wouldn't it make more sense
just to switch to the much lower
954
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,360
carbon plant-based foods?
955
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,960
When we look at our livestock
numbers over the past 50 years,
956
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,560
our cattle numbers are down
about 30% or a third.
957
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,200
Our sheep numbers are down
since the early '90s.
958
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,120
We're already massively reducing
our livestock numbers.
959
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,240
But the carbon emissions per unit
of meat are still
960
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:33,800
far higher than plant-based foods.
961
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,000
Like I say, I think this is
really personal choice.
962
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,040
It's down to the individual
to decide what they want to consume.
963
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,400
The NFU still claims
farming can get to net zero,
964
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,400
but it says that ambition
will only become a reality
965
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,880
if imports are produced
to the same net zero standards
966
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,960
as food here in the UK.
967
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,000
It's highly likely that if we adopt
all of the technologies
968
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,520
that are going to try and get us
towards net zero,
969
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,160
then that's going to have a real
cost burden associated with it.
970
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,040
If we're then undermined by imports
that don't have those same standards
971
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,320
and those same costs,
we're just going to be undermined
972
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:06,480
in the marketplace.
973
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,720
Say you get the restrictions
on imports that you want,
974
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:11,520
that will mean
higher food prices, won't it?
975
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:13,760
Because the cheap food
we're importing from abroad
976
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,200
won't be available.
977
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,280
We'll be relying more on
British agriculture, which I'm sure
978
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,080
is something you'd want
and you'd celebrate,
979
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,000
and may indeed reduce emissions
980
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,440
but it is likely to drive up prices,
isn't it?
981
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,200
We're not looking for protection,
but the NFU has always...
982
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,760
That does sound like protection.
983
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,880
No, no. The NFU has always
stood for fair trade.
984
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,440
Now, fair trade is very,
very different to free trade.
985
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,240
But listen,
import restrictions will mean
986
00:48:35,240 --> 00:48:37,240
higher food prices in the UK.
987
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:39,760
Realistically, are government's
going to want to do that?
988
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,360
Ultimately, this is
Government's decision
989
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:43,200
about whether they're serious
about delivering
990
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,680
the climate change ambition.
991
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,840
We know that without a fair import
policy, we are going to offshore
992
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,680
our production to jurisdictions
we have absolutely no control over.
993
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:57,080
Close to half the food
on our plates is imported.
994
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,240
If net zero rules push up prices
here in the UK,
995
00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:04,320
then we could be tempted
to import cheaper food from abroad
996
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,000
that has higher emissions.
997
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,440
At the moment, it's up to the
supermarkets and other businesses
998
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,000
to ensure that imported food matches
their promises about net zero.
999
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,360
So what are supermarkets doing
about imports?
1000
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,440
About 80% of that is from Europe.
1001
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,000
So Europe is facing into net zero
1002
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,520
in exactly the same way as the UK
1003
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,240
in terms of both its support
for its farmers,
1004
00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:32,440
its food producers,
its food manufacturers.
1005
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:35,600
So I think from that side,
we're pretty confident.
1006
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:40,760
The further abroad tends to be,
you know, often non-seasonal stuff
1007
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:42,360
that we can't grow here
1008
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,920
or maybe more exotic fruits
and things like that.
1009
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,040
We will work with
those supply chains
1010
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,040
to make a difference
in there as well.
1011
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,240
I mean, when you sit back
and you look at the industry,
1012
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:53,520
as you do,
the British Retail Consortium,
1013
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,080
how big a challenge
for the industry is this?
1014
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,000
Huge - this is a huge challenge.
1015
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,280
I mean, taking responsibility
for the way our food is produced
1016
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,600
and then sold,
that is a massive responsibility.
1017
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,320
And I don't think anybody
is looking at this lightly.
1018
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,520
This will require huge change,
1019
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:12,280
structural change in farming,
1020
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,800
in processing, and then into
the retail and, to a certain extent,
1021
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,680
maybe us as consumers as well
in terms of our diet
1022
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,520
and what we're buying as well.
1023
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,240
So what about us?
What about consumers?
1024
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,720
What can we do to help?
1025
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:31,640
Well, household emissions
from things like fridges, freezers
1026
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:35,440
and cooking adds up to about 10%
of emissions.
1027
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,520
But there's one thing
that should be fairly easy
1028
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,880
to change - waste.
1029
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,120
We've seen the scale of emissions
our food produces,
1030
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,680
but a huge amount of that
edible food ends up in the bin.
1031
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,440
The emissions from that waste adds up
1032
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,720
to almost a fifth of the total.
1033
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:55,000
We all throw food away.
1034
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,000
Now, some of that waste
is inevitable.
1035
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:00,600
Bones, eggshells, banana skins,
stuff we can't eat,
1036
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,120
but some of the food we throw away
could have been eaten.
1037
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:07,600
Now, maybe, we bought too much
or maybe, oh, dear...
1038
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,200
Maybe it's past its use-by date.
1039
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:12,960
But whether it's avoidable
food waste or not,
1040
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,160
the food we throw away
1041
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,040
is responsible
for greenhouse gas emissions.
1042
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,000
There's only one way
to understand our rubbish
1043
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,640
and that's to get your hands dirty
on a bin lorry.
1044
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,800
Literally just there.
Literally just pop it in.
1045
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,200
Pop it in. However you can.
1046
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,760
Why am I making it look
so difficult?
1047
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,680
There we go. Perfect.
1048
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,040
So you make it look easy.
I'm not as smooth as you.
1049
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,360
I know, yeah. You get used to it.
You get used to it.
1050
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,600
It's all fun and games
until you catch a whiff.
1051
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:46,960
Yes.
1052
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,680
UK households throw away
over 6 million tons
1053
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,280
of food every year.
1054
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,480
Oh! A bad one, was it?
1055
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,080
That was...
1056
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,440
Urgh! ..juicy.
All right, here we go.
1057
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:02,760
Ooh!
1058
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,920
It's estimated we throw away
1059
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,680
£17 billion worth of food each year
1060
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,800
that could have been eaten.
1061
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,480
Does it make you think about
your own habits
1062
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,600
and, like, what you put in
your food waste?
1063
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,240
Yeah, yeah. You look at some houses
1064
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:23,320
and think, "Oh, there's so much
food waste, you know."
1065
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,400
So you think maybe I should
cut down myself, you know.
1066
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,080
Because it's something that we
all do, but you're actually dealing
1067
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,680
with the end of it, aren't you?
1068
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,960
Yeah, I see the back end of it.
1069
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:37,800
For most of us, it's in the bin,
gone, and forgotten.
1070
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,240
Ah, Teresa's doing two at once,
making up for it.
1071
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:44,640
I'm going to give some help.
1072
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,720
In terms of the things
that you see in here... Mm.
1073
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,520
..what's the weirdest thing
that you've got?
1074
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:53,880
It was last year.
1075
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,360
I remember last summer
I catch one of these bins,
1076
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,680
maybe with 12 pigeons, all dead.
1077
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,720
I was not expecting that answer.
Yeah, yeah.
1078
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:04,560
Apart from that,
1079
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,600
usually it's the packages.
1080
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,800
People throw away the food
1081
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,840
inside of the packages.
1082
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,160
Are there times of year
that you don't look forward
1083
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,640
to doing this job, in terms
of what you'll find in those bins?
1084
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:20,480
The summertime -
with all of the maggots.
1085
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,200
Oh!
1086
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,840
All that food we throw away
has already produced
1087
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,120
thousands of tons of CO2,
1088
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:31,520
methane, and nitrous oxide
before it gets to us.
1089
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:35,200
So, sure, reducing food waste
would save us money,
1090
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,840
but it would also help
slow climate change.
1091
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,000
And emissions are also caused
1092
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:43,320
by food waste itself when it goes
1093
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,480
to landfill from how it decomposes.
1094
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,280
But, instead of heading to landfill,
1095
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,720
there is another option.
1096
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,080
Here we go.
1097
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:56,760
Oh. Thanks, guys.
1098
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,240
No problem.
1099
00:53:59,240 --> 00:54:01,880
Do you know what? It's every
child's dream to do a bin round.
1100
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,280
You can come back whenever you want.
1101
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,080
We like the extra help.
1102
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:07,760
I bet you do. Definitely.
1103
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,760
So where do you take this stuff
when you're done?
1104
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,200
Goes to an AD centre, you know.
1105
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,000
An AD centre?
1106
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:18,320
Compared to landfill,
1107
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,640
an anaerobic digestion centre -
1108
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,520
AD for short - is one way
to reduce emissions.
1109
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,720
And this one in Staffordshire
is one of the largest plants
1110
00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:29,680
of its kind in Europe.
1111
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,400
This is the reception hall,
where all the trucks come in
1112
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,000
to deliver the food waste.
1113
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,960
It's a bit different
to the reception halls
1114
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,160
I've been in before.
1115
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,600
We don't do much dancing
in this one.
1116
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:42,080
And how much am I looking at
right now?
1117
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,320
At the moment, with the bunkers
full, towards the end of the day,
1118
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,080
there's about 100 ton there.
1119
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,760
100 ton!
1120
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:49,920
And there's four
of those bunkers today.
1121
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,600
One bunker is roughly
20,000 weekly households.
1122
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,280
It's 2,000 tons coming in a week.
1123
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,040
Normally, you see waste
and the bin juice
1124
00:54:58,040 --> 00:54:59,920
and you're like, "Urgh" but like,
1125
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:02,880
I don't know, it's more sobering.
1126
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,720
It's too...too important
to be disgusted by
1127
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:10,080
because it's, like, actually,
this is here. It's a thing.
1128
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:11,520
It's all of our things.
1129
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,680
What we're looking at there
is a resource
1130
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,520
and we've got to capture
that resource now.
1131
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,720
This site was built to take
1132
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:20,520
this grotesque pile
1133
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:26,560
of unwanted food and turn it
into something we do want - energy.
1134
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,080
Welcome to the control room.
1135
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,680
Hello.
1136
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,360
This does not look simple.
1137
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,360
This looks like there's so many
different moving parts.
1138
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:36,920
At the scale of this plant, which is
one of the biggest in Europe,
1139
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,440
it's very complex.
1140
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,200
It costs us about £30 million
1141
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,720
when we first built it in 2011.
1142
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,560
Large, complex industrial machinery
1143
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,120
takes the food waste, crushes it,
1144
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,360
removes contaminants and creates
a soup unlike any other.
1145
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:56,720
Would you like to see some?
1146
00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,400
I'd love to see some.
1147
00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,760
This is a sample from today.
1148
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,240
Stand back for a second.
1149
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:03,080
Ooh!
1150
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,960
I can't smell it yet.
1151
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,560
Really? Am I...?
1152
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,600
Oh, no, I can smell it now!
1153
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,400
You can put the lid back on that.
OK.
1154
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,440
This revolting soup is now ready
to be turned into electricity.
1155
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:22,560
So the soup we've made in the
building transfers over to the tank.
1156
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,960
Bugs in there eat the soup
1157
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,320
and create the biogas
off the top of the tanks.
1158
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:29,560
The gas goes into the engines,
1159
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:32,920
and the V20 cylinders are turning
1160
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,240
an alternator and making electricity
for about 15,000 homes.
1161
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:37,880
I get it.
1162
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,240
Ready meals produce emissions
at every stage,
1163
00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:44,920
from farm, to factory, to food bin.
1164
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:49,040
Achieving net zero in just 25 years
is a massive challenge.
1165
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,720
We've seen all the effort
going into cutting emissions
1166
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:55,040
in the food chain, but we are also
relying on technology
1167
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,080
that is still in its infancy
1168
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,520
and could push up prices.
1169
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:02,360
All of which means
there's no guarantee
1170
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,120
our food will get to net zero
by 2050.
1171
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,440
But there is one thing
we could do right now
1172
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:12,480
if we only bought the food
1173
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,840
we needed and didn't throw so much
away, we could reduce food emissions
1174
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:22,840
by 18 million tons
of carbon dioxide equivalent a year.
1175
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:26,640
Now that is roughly the same
as doubling the amount
1176
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,200
of woodland and forest in the UK.
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