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Good afternoon.
My name is Richard DesLauriers,
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and I am the Special Agent in Charge
of the FBI's Boston division.
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Today we are enlisting the public's help
to identify the two suspects.
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I didn't know it at the time,
but that press conference
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we conducted at the Sheraton Hotel
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on the evening of Thursday,
April 18th, 2013,
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started the most momentous
48 hours of my career.
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Somebody out there
knows these individuals as friends,
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neighbors, co-workers,
or family members of the suspects.
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It was very intense.
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I mean, we're telling people now.
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We're telling them
about who's been identified.
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Presenting them with the pictures.
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We don't know what's going to happen.
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The whole thing was risky.
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Are we forcing their hand?
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Are we making them do something?
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Now we're not having
the ability to creep up on them.
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Here they are. The FBI is referring
to them as Suspect 1 and Suspect 2.
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The FBI has set up a special tip line
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and a website dedicated to this case.
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The website got
like 40 million hits instantaneously.
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Suspects are considered
to be armed and extremely dangerous.
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The revelation of the two suspects
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gives the investigation
a new sense of urgency.
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Do you think they'll be recognized
from these images that have been released?
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Of course.
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I think they'll definitely catch 'em.
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They're doing their job.
You know, it's gonna take time.
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Yeah, guess what?
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Richard DesLauriers
is gonna take 'em down.
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I was relieved that the photos
were gonna be put out there,
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and I strongly believed the community
would see those photographs
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and say, "That is so-and-so,
and he's over here."
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Immediately after that,
we didn't get any calls.
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We didn't get one.
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- I couldn't believe that.
- I went home that night
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and I said to my wife,
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"We're gonna get a call overnight
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that somebody's identified these guys."
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And then I get a call
that I didn't expect.
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MIT police. Calls recorded. Officer Sakov.
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Hi. We're hearing a lot
of loud noises outside of our window.
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They don't sound exactly like gunshots.
But they're sharp, quick noises.
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There is a police officer that seems to be
within the vicinity in a car,
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but we're really not sure what's going on.
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Okay. Well, we'll check it out.
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Oh my goodness.
Hurry up! All units, respond.
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Officer down. Officer down. All units...
Location. Officer down.
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The press conference ends,
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and I'm taking the bus back.
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Crossing the Mass Avenue Bridge
toward MIT.
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And as I'm getting to the other side
of the CambridgeSide, I look to my right,
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and I see this sea
of blue lights everywhere.
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Cop cars,
patrol cars speeding up Memorial Drive.
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I'm among the first on the scene,
and there's a lot of anger.
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One cop was visibly in tears.
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I was talking to law enforcement,
trying to figure out what happened.
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- Have anything to tell us, sir?
- Nope. Nothing at all right now.
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I got a call.
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A police officer has been killed
in Cambridge.
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Cambridge is a different city
in a different jurisdiction.
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But the story we got
was that this was a robbery gone wrong.
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For a campus police officer to be shot
in the Boston area is extremely rare.
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When was the last time
a cop was killed in Cambridge?
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It doesn't happen.
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It doesn't happen on that campus.
Doesn't happen in that community.
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Something's wrong.
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Something is definitely wrong.
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You can clearly see there was a struggle.
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They were attempting to get his gun.
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It was clearly an assassination.
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He had a retention holster that made it
impossible for them to get it out.
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Ed Davis is saying to me,
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"Do you think
this is Black Hat and White Hat?"
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And I'm like,
"It would make sense it would be."
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I saw folks with a look of worry,
of fear on their faces.
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Every minute that goes by,
we risk more lives.
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If this is them, what other hell
are they gonna rain down next?
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On the evening of April 18th,
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I was driving my new car
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along the Charles River
on the Cambridge side.
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I know there is something happening
in Cambridge because there was a lot
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of blue lights and police cars.
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Twenty of them.
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Something serious
must have happened there.
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I came to America
from China in 2009
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to get a master's degree.
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I wanted to learn more
about American culture.
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Learn more about the American dream.
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President Obama, he once said,
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"Any American
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if you'll be honest,
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if you're working hard,
you deserve to have a bright future."
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That's what I think.
If you just work hard on yourself,
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if you're honest with yourself,
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you're gonna have a better life.
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I was really fascinated by nice cars.
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So I bought my first car.
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It was a Mercedes.
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When I was driving the car,
I felt like a badass.
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I don't want anybody
getting too close to it.
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I don't want anybody else to drive it.
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It's like a baby to me.
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I was driving my new car.
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I remember I got a text message.
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I decided to pull over on a street
called Brighton Avenue.
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I was focused on the phone
for one or two minutes.
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Then I saw a car pull over
right behind me.
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It felt a little bit weird.
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I thought, maybe it's someone trying
to ask for directions.
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And then they knocked
on my passenger side.
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So I lower down the window a little bit,
just maybe this much space.
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Then he wants me
to lower a little bit more.
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Very fast. I didn't have time to response.
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And I was like,
"What the heck is happening?"
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And he pointed a gun at me.
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My body was shaking.
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I was like,
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"I'll do whatever you ask me to do."
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"Just please don't kill me."
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He told me he can kill me
anytime he wants to.
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"Just start driving."
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And the car behind me
was following us the whole way.
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I realize
we were driving to Watertown.
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We pull over to a house...
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in Watertown.
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And the older one,
he wants me to sit on the passenger side.
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They both get out of the car.
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I was thinking, maybe it's my time to run,
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but they took out the key
and locked the door.
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And then they moved some stuff
from the other sedan to my car.
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A couple of boxes, I think.
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They get back in the car,
and now it's three of us.
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The older one is driving.
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Then they just left their car behind us.
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I didn't know their relationship.
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One of them was much younger
and looked like a student,
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but they seemed pretty American to me.
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The older one asked me,
do I know who he is?
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I said, "I don't know who you are."
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He said,
"I did the Boston Marathon bombing."
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"And we just killed
a policeman in Cambridge."
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Oh shit. Like...
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How could it be possible?
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Like, why me?
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A Massachusetts Institute of Technology
police officer was shot at.
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He suffered multiple gunshot wounds.
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He was taken to hospital, and he died.
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I was told that they shot
six times into the vehicle,
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one which pierced this officer's brain.
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When I arrived at the command post,
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I had learned about the murder
of Officer Sean Collier at MIT,
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which was just absolutely tragic news.
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Anytime somebody in law enforcement
gets killed, it's devastating.
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And to assassinate poor Sean
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while he was sitting in his car
doing a thankless job?
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He didn't deserve that.
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I felt a combination of anger
and urgency to run these guys down.
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These guys had beat us.
They got through our lines of defense.
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After those photos
were released to the public,
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it was clear that they were flushed out.
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That they were known.
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And they seemed to be in a mood of,
"We have nothing to lose."
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Do you ever reflect
if you hadn't released the photos,
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Sean Collier would still be alive today?
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Well, I mean, to be quite honest with you,
they needed another gun.
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That's what they were gonna do.
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They were gonna do that whether
it was Thursday, Friday or Saturday.
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I thought then and I think today
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that there was no downside to releasing
those photographs immediately.
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Right to that corner over there...
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Given what happened,
I know it's Monday morning quarterbacking,
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but it is a legitimate question.
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Was this the right approach?
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We had a responsibility,
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so that the public
could protect themselves.
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This is an aberration.
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This incident goes to show
that no matter what you have in place,
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no matter how hard you try to prevent it,
you're not gonna prevent everything.
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And I think that's what happened here.
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In the car,
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they are speaking another language
that I don't really understand.
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We stop at a bank.
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The younger one gets out of the car.
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They use my debit card to get some cash.
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When we were in the car,
I actually remember asking him,
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"Are you gonna kill me tonight?"
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That's when he said,
"No, we're not gonna kill you."
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"We're just gonna drop you off
at someplace
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far away where nobody can find you."
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Should I believe those two murderers?
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Why would they let you go?
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They don't care
about other people's lives.
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They'll probably kill me
on the side of a highway.
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My family, my parents, my friends,
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I didn't have a chance
to say goodbye to them.
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They asked me, "Can your car
go out of state? Like, New York?"
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I said, "Yeah, of course." You know?
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Then I realized, they're probably trying
to go to New York to do another bombing.
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I know that if we are on a highway,
they probably won't stop until New York.
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I told him
that I only have a quarter of a tank left,
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so let's get a full gas tank.
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They were driving,
looking for a gas station
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that was still open,
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but everything was closed.
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Ten minutes later, we stopped
at a gas station in Cambridge.
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The younger one gets out of the car.
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The older one put his gun
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in the pocket of the door.
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If I want to run away,
if I want to escape from this,
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it's probably my last opportunity.
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It's the most important decision
of my life.
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And then I just tell myself,
"Fuck it. I'll do it."
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Then...
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Fortunately, you know,
I was able to unlock the seatbelt,
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unlock the car, and then pull the handle.
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I could feel like he was trying
to grab me with his right hand.
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But it felt really, really close.
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Like, this close.
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I run across the street
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to another gas station that's still open.
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911, recorded line. What's your emergency?
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Yes, I am in a Mobile gas station.
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816 Memorial Drive.
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There is one customer who came inside now,
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and he told me
someone wanted to shoot him,
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and he stay inside, and he won't leave.
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Can I speak with him?
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They are the suspects
of the marathon explosion.
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Help me, please. They have guns.
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Where are they?
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They are in a Shell gas station
on Memorial Drive.
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They're in front of the gas station?
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Yes. I just ran. I just got to run.
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- Can you please come?
- They're on their way.
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Take a deep breath and stay where you are.
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- I'm gonna stay on the phone with you.
- Okay. Okay.
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Yeah, I can feel my voice is shaking.
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And I cannot even speak.
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It felt like the longest two hours
of my life.
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I still feel terrible
every time I think about it.
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That's, like, the most difficult decision
I have ever made.
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As life goes on, you know,
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what I'm trying to do is just not...
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focus on that.
247
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You know, I just appreciate
that I'm still alive.
248
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We were flooding MIT
249
00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:05,459
with police,
looking for anything suspicious.
250
00:18:05,542 --> 00:18:10,339
All of a sudden we get a call
from the gas station on Memorial Drive.
251
00:18:11,715 --> 00:18:14,301
There was a guy there
saying he was kidnapped,
252
00:18:14,384 --> 00:18:15,844
and it was the bombers.
253
00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:18,722
I told them that my car
254
00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:21,600
had a tracking system.
255
00:18:21,683 --> 00:18:27,064
He says to the police officer,
"The GPS number is 1234567."
256
00:18:28,065 --> 00:18:29,942
And the officer said,
"How do you know that?"
257
00:18:30,025 --> 00:18:33,112
You get excited with your first car.
You remember everything.
258
00:18:33,195 --> 00:18:37,825
So he literally had the GPS transmitter
number off the top of his head.
259
00:18:37,908 --> 00:18:41,370
I really wanted them to catch
those guys as soon as possible.
260
00:18:41,453 --> 00:18:43,372
The officer called that in,
261
00:18:43,872 --> 00:18:46,083
and they tracked
the car almost immediately
262
00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:47,459
to Watertown.
263
00:18:49,086 --> 00:18:50,754
Watertown Control to all cars.
264
00:18:50,838 --> 00:18:55,676
Cambridge is looking for a one,
three, seven, November, Zulu, one.
265
00:18:55,759 --> 00:18:58,720
That's a 2013 Mercedes. Color black.
266
00:18:59,221 --> 00:19:02,516
The vehicle was taken
from 816 Memorial Drive
267
00:19:02,599 --> 00:19:05,060
in Cambridge during a carjacking.
268
00:19:05,644 --> 00:19:09,815
Occupied by two Middle Eastern males.
One described as 5' 7".
269
00:19:09,898 --> 00:19:12,609
The second described as light-skinned.
270
00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,663
I did 30 years as a police officer
271
00:19:24,746 --> 00:19:25,998
in the town of Watertown.
272
00:19:30,002 --> 00:19:32,421
It is a touching town of Boston,
273
00:19:32,504 --> 00:19:35,799
and we are a very small town
with four square miles,
274
00:19:35,883 --> 00:19:37,509
but it is densely packed
275
00:19:37,593 --> 00:19:41,972
with over 40,000 people
living in the town, in four square miles.
276
00:19:43,473 --> 00:19:44,892
It's very tight-knit.
277
00:19:44,975 --> 00:19:47,811
A lot of families, a lot of young kids.
278
00:19:50,522 --> 00:19:52,649
It is a very, very safe place.
279
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:55,652
I can't even say I even came close
280
00:19:55,736 --> 00:19:59,573
to pulling the trigger until that night.
281
00:20:03,619 --> 00:20:05,287
Shot fired! Shot fired!
282
00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:19,593
PTSD is a real thing.
283
00:20:19,676 --> 00:20:21,470
It'll eat you up and kill you.
284
00:20:25,182 --> 00:20:27,809
It's like a different life.
It's a different life.
285
00:20:33,774 --> 00:20:36,610
In 2013, I was a sergeant.
286
00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:40,155
And I had been
in that position for 20 years.
287
00:20:44,451 --> 00:20:45,869
I came to the police station,
288
00:20:45,953 --> 00:20:48,288
and I have my police radio on.
289
00:20:50,290 --> 00:20:54,336
I heard about Sean Collier,
the MIT police officer, being murdered.
290
00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:58,006
I thought, "Oh my God, it's horrific."
291
00:20:58,715 --> 00:21:01,051
So, I went out to my car.
292
00:21:01,134 --> 00:21:02,928
I lit up a cigarillo,
293
00:21:03,428 --> 00:21:05,430
and I'm listening to the police radio.
294
00:21:06,014 --> 00:21:07,734
We got a call from Cambridge P.D.
295
00:21:07,808 --> 00:21:10,352
They just pinged
the phone number in the vehicle
296
00:21:10,435 --> 00:21:11,895
in question on the carjacking.
297
00:21:11,979 --> 00:21:13,897
It's in the area of Dexter Ave.
298
00:21:13,981 --> 00:21:15,774
A 2013 Mercedes.
299
00:21:17,526 --> 00:21:19,069
A Cambridge police officer
300
00:21:19,152 --> 00:21:22,948
called our officer in charge directly
301
00:21:23,031 --> 00:21:25,867
and said,
"Hey, listen, just to let you know,
302
00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:27,828
we have a stolen car in Cambridge."
303
00:21:27,911 --> 00:21:34,126
"We're tracking it, and it's in Watertown
right now at 93 Dexter Ave."
304
00:21:34,876 --> 00:21:37,480
Okay, could you give me
the plate number again, please,
305
00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:39,214
and the description of the vehicle?
306
00:21:39,298 --> 00:21:41,550
Black 2013 Mercedes.
307
00:21:41,633 --> 00:21:44,386
It was Officer Joe Reynolds' patrol area,
308
00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:46,430
and he says, "I'll check that out."
309
00:21:46,513 --> 00:21:48,515
The car is on the move right now.
310
00:21:48,598 --> 00:21:52,227
It's a carjacking, is how it came out.
And they said they may be armed.
311
00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:56,148
I'm thinking, well, if they get there,
there's gonna be two things happening.
312
00:21:56,231 --> 00:21:58,608
It's gonna be a car chase
or a foot pursuit.
313
00:21:59,192 --> 00:22:02,154
We only know
that it's a vehicle taken at gunpoint.
314
00:22:02,738 --> 00:22:07,117
I'm thinkin' it's a couple of kids.
You know, we're gonna pull this car over.
315
00:22:07,617 --> 00:22:09,995
They're gonna give up,
or get out of the car and run.
316
00:22:10,078 --> 00:22:12,873
If they take off out of the car
and they're chasing 'em on foot,
317
00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:14,249
I'll be an extra set of eyes.
318
00:22:14,333 --> 00:22:15,625
So, I started driving.
319
00:22:15,709 --> 00:22:18,313
I left the police station,
and I started heading in that direction.
320
00:22:18,337 --> 00:22:20,922
Okay, roger. Still here on Laurel.
321
00:22:21,006 --> 00:22:22,674
Just took a left on Laurel.
322
00:22:22,758 --> 00:22:25,385
Joe Reynolds got there,
and they passed each other.
323
00:22:25,469 --> 00:22:27,679
Then they slow down
to about two miles an hour.
324
00:22:27,763 --> 00:22:29,681
They actually made eye contact.
325
00:22:32,309 --> 00:22:34,949
We found out that the suspects
were driving two different vehicles.
326
00:22:34,978 --> 00:22:38,774
It was their vehicle in front
and then the black SUV behind it.
327
00:22:38,857 --> 00:22:41,610
Right next to it now.
You want me to stop it?
328
00:22:42,903 --> 00:22:45,447
And I get on the radio, I said,
"Joey don't stop that vehicle."
329
00:22:45,530 --> 00:22:48,116
"Let me catch up to you."
He said, "Roger, Sarge."
330
00:22:48,909 --> 00:22:50,952
I'm right behind that vehicle.
331
00:22:51,453 --> 00:22:52,496
Light him up.
332
00:22:59,211 --> 00:23:01,004
Officer Reynolds
was following behind them.
333
00:23:01,088 --> 00:23:02,589
They weren't going fast.
334
00:23:02,672 --> 00:23:06,593
And that's when the black SUV stopped.
335
00:23:08,970 --> 00:23:12,682
And when I took a left
onto Laurel Street, it was mayhem.
336
00:23:30,325 --> 00:23:33,161
Suspect in the middle of the street,
just firing in it.
337
00:23:33,245 --> 00:23:35,580
I'm throwing my car into park.
338
00:23:35,664 --> 00:23:38,083
And boom, glass in my face.
339
00:23:38,959 --> 00:23:40,919
Shots fired. All units respond.
340
00:23:41,420 --> 00:23:44,774
All units. We have shots fired
on the vehicle in question from Cambridge.
341
00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:46,466
Last seen near the area of Dexter Ave.
342
00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:49,302
Shots fired in Watertown.
343
00:23:49,386 --> 00:23:52,556
When he said, "They're shooting at me,"
my thought was, "I gotta help."
344
00:23:52,639 --> 00:23:56,351
I went from doing 30 miles an hour
to doing 80 miles an hour.
345
00:23:56,435 --> 00:23:58,145
Shots fired! Shots fired!
346
00:23:58,228 --> 00:23:59,312
Shots fired.
347
00:24:00,772 --> 00:24:02,607
I said, "I gotta do something."
348
00:24:02,691 --> 00:24:04,568
I said,
"I'm gonna jump up into this vehicle."
349
00:24:05,652 --> 00:24:09,114
"I'm gonna throw it in drive,
and I'm just gonna send it towards them."
350
00:24:09,614 --> 00:24:10,866
At least this way,
351
00:24:11,366 --> 00:24:13,702
I can see how many people
are gonna be shooting at us.
352
00:24:13,785 --> 00:24:16,329
See what we got,
so I can give it to the incoming units.
353
00:24:17,372 --> 00:24:20,083
Reynolds says, "Sarge, who's driving 468?"
354
00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:23,879
My car was going down towards them.
He didn't know no one was in it.
355
00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:26,339
I was just... You know,
it was just goin' down the street.
356
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,009
That's when I saw them
behind the Mercedes,
357
00:24:29,593 --> 00:24:31,887
I could see him throwin' something.
358
00:24:34,306 --> 00:24:35,746
And I saw it coming through the air,
359
00:24:35,807 --> 00:24:37,851
and it was coming
through the air I'm like,
360
00:24:37,934 --> 00:24:40,479
"This kid's throwin' sticks at us."
361
00:24:41,062 --> 00:24:42,731
And when it hit the ground,
362
00:24:42,814 --> 00:24:44,000
it went ting-ting-ting-ting...
363
00:24:44,024 --> 00:24:45,650
And I went...
364
00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:06,421
Loud explosion! Loud explosion!
365
00:25:06,505 --> 00:25:07,881
Loud explosion!
366
00:25:12,052 --> 00:25:14,721
What? What a friggin' week this has been.
367
00:25:14,804 --> 00:25:16,431
First, the marathon bombing.
368
00:25:16,515 --> 00:25:19,142
An MIT police officer gets murdered.
369
00:25:19,226 --> 00:25:21,394
You know,
what else can go wrong this week?
370
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:25,065
At that point,
while I'm standing there at MIT,
371
00:25:25,148 --> 00:25:28,985
there was suddenly this commotion
that was going on.
372
00:25:29,069 --> 00:25:32,531
And police are listening
to their car radio.
373
00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:36,785
We hear on the radio,
you know, "Shots fired. Shots fired."
374
00:25:36,868 --> 00:25:38,703
Shots fired! Shots fired!
375
00:25:38,787 --> 00:25:42,207
Units respond to the scene.
We need assistance immediately!
376
00:25:42,290 --> 00:25:44,290
Watertown, Newtown has 8 comin' at you.
377
00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:45,835
Eight en route with K9.
378
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:48,964
Cambridge to Watertown,
we also have three units responding.
379
00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:50,465
My mind immediately went to,
380
00:25:50,549 --> 00:25:52,842
"This is all related.
This has gotta be them."
381
00:25:52,926 --> 00:25:57,764
I remember immediately hitting lights
and sirens and just flying
382
00:25:57,847 --> 00:25:58,847
to Watertown.
383
00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:03,311
I just headed towards Watertown,
384
00:26:03,395 --> 00:26:07,065
and there was a cavalry
of police vehicles heading that way.
385
00:26:07,148 --> 00:26:10,443
And I just jumped in it
and followed the crowd out there.
386
00:26:10,527 --> 00:26:13,280
And I don't know what's going on,
but I decided to rush with them.
387
00:26:13,363 --> 00:26:14,489
Whatever was happening,
388
00:26:14,573 --> 00:26:17,576
it seemed to be connected to something
much larger than what's going on.
389
00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:20,412
'Cause they're leaving
the scene of a murdered cop.
390
00:26:20,495 --> 00:26:23,790
We have him pinned down.
He's throwing explosives at us.
391
00:26:24,291 --> 00:26:27,085
Overnight, Chief of Department called.
392
00:26:27,711 --> 00:26:28,545
And he said,
393
00:26:28,628 --> 00:26:31,506
"Commissioner, they're throwing bombs
at us and shooting."
394
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:33,008
And I said, "Who's throwing bombs?"
395
00:26:33,091 --> 00:26:35,260
He said, "We got these guys,
we're chasing 'em down."
396
00:26:35,343 --> 00:26:38,763
The phone rang, and I answered it,
and it was one of my assistants,
397
00:26:38,847 --> 00:26:42,142
and he had told me,
"Our suspects are on the run right now,
398
00:26:42,225 --> 00:26:45,061
and they're hurling more bombs
at Watertown police officers
399
00:26:45,145 --> 00:26:46,855
in Watertown, Massachusetts."
400
00:26:46,938 --> 00:26:48,898
And as soon as I heard that,
I said, "Holy shit."
401
00:26:53,111 --> 00:26:54,831
Can I get that location, please?
402
00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:56,948
Dexter and Laurel. Dexter and Laurel.
403
00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:03,409
When you hear those cruisers pullin' up,
404
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,914
it's like it's the best...
405
00:27:04,998 --> 00:27:06,416
It's the best feeling in the world,
406
00:27:06,499 --> 00:27:11,963
because you know we got more ammo coming,
we got more guns on these guys.
407
00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:14,758
Fucking shooting,
right in front of my house.
408
00:27:16,009 --> 00:27:17,009
Get outta here.
409
00:27:17,052 --> 00:27:19,763
Hey, everybody stop.
Look out. Go the other way.
410
00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:21,139
Go the other way.
411
00:27:22,641 --> 00:27:24,309
Getting serious, man.
412
00:27:27,395 --> 00:27:30,315
Bombs goin' off.
There's cops shooting everywhere.
413
00:27:30,398 --> 00:27:32,776
It was an absolute war zone.
414
00:27:32,859 --> 00:27:35,904
We did have residents comin' out,
and that's what scared me.
415
00:27:35,987 --> 00:27:38,073
Line's recorded.
What is your emergency?
416
00:27:38,156 --> 00:27:39,449
I'm in Watertown.
417
00:27:39,532 --> 00:27:41,743
I'm hearing what sounds like gunshots,
and I heard...
418
00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:43,828
We're aware of the situation. Thank you.
419
00:27:43,912 --> 00:27:46,164
911, this line is recorded.
What's your emergency?
420
00:27:46,247 --> 00:27:47,791
Somebody's shootin' a gun...
421
00:27:47,874 --> 00:27:49,501
911, this line is recorded.
422
00:27:49,584 --> 00:27:52,295
Hi. I just heard a huge bang.
423
00:27:52,379 --> 00:27:54,339
Ma'am, we're aware of it. Thank you.
424
00:27:55,215 --> 00:28:00,470
At least one of the residents,
he came out three times,
425
00:28:01,096 --> 00:28:03,656
opened his door and said,
"You need any help? You need any help?"
426
00:28:03,682 --> 00:28:06,601
And I kept telling him,
"Get back in the house!"
427
00:28:06,685 --> 00:28:10,146
"Unless you have any 40 cal ammo,
get back in there."
428
00:28:11,231 --> 00:28:13,858
I pulled up and I start
just around the corner from Laurel Street.
429
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:16,778
Put on my bulletproof vest.
430
00:28:18,905 --> 00:28:20,615
And as I'm walking around the corner,
431
00:28:20,699 --> 00:28:23,952
I see Officer Reynolds
and Sergeant MacLellan.
432
00:28:24,035 --> 00:28:28,790
He was behind a tree returning gunfire,
and he was giving them commands.
433
00:28:28,873 --> 00:28:30,583
Give it up! Give it up!
434
00:28:30,667 --> 00:28:33,378
"Give it up. Give it up."
You know, trying to get them to surrender.
435
00:28:33,461 --> 00:28:35,755
And they just continued to fire.
436
00:28:36,798 --> 00:28:40,802
What we thought at the time
was two guns, muzzle flashes.
437
00:28:41,302 --> 00:28:44,514
And ultimately, we found out
that they had one handgun,
438
00:28:44,597 --> 00:28:46,975
and the second muzzle flash that we saw,
439
00:28:47,475 --> 00:28:49,477
one of them was lighting the pipe bombs.
440
00:28:51,312 --> 00:28:53,022
That was our second muzzle flash.
441
00:28:59,529 --> 00:29:01,030
The last bomb that was thrown,
442
00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:05,785
I saw him get out of the vehicle,
holding something with two handles,
443
00:29:06,286 --> 00:29:07,996
and I saw him go...
444
00:29:14,335 --> 00:29:15,462
God!
445
00:29:17,964 --> 00:29:20,258
You could feel the percussion,
but all's I can remember
446
00:29:20,341 --> 00:29:22,886
was like someone putting
a white screen in front of your face.
447
00:29:25,472 --> 00:29:28,975
Gray black smoke, and then you felt
stuff raining down on you.
448
00:29:29,058 --> 00:29:30,518
It was all the shrap metal.
449
00:29:30,602 --> 00:29:32,270
It was a pressure cooker.
450
00:29:32,353 --> 00:29:34,564
One of the clips unclipped,
451
00:29:34,647 --> 00:29:38,359
and it didn't come up
to as much pressure as it should have.
452
00:29:38,443 --> 00:29:42,030
So if he had placed it
instead of throwin' it,
453
00:29:42,113 --> 00:29:43,239
we would've been...
454
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:46,284
We all would've been hurt.
We were in the blast zone.
455
00:29:47,994 --> 00:29:49,370
It was a standoff.
456
00:29:49,454 --> 00:29:53,124
So, I decided that what I was going to do
was cut through some backyards
457
00:29:53,208 --> 00:29:55,293
and come up on their side. Flank them.
458
00:29:55,376 --> 00:29:58,254
I went up a driveway, over a fence,
459
00:29:59,005 --> 00:30:01,341
through that backyard, over another fence.
460
00:30:01,424 --> 00:30:03,635
Went along the house fence line.
461
00:30:04,636 --> 00:30:07,722
That's when I saw them.
And they were taking cover there.
462
00:30:08,223 --> 00:30:10,850
But I was a firearms instructor
for the department,
463
00:30:10,934 --> 00:30:12,602
so I usually hit my target.
464
00:30:12,685 --> 00:30:15,313
I took aim. I squeezed off a round.
465
00:30:15,396 --> 00:30:19,901
I know I hit the guy.
No reaction, so I try again. Bang.
466
00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:23,071
I know I hit him, and there's no reaction.
467
00:30:23,154 --> 00:30:25,990
I shot him nine times.
It wasn't all torso shots.
468
00:30:26,074 --> 00:30:28,493
I got him in the feet.
He just wouldn't go down.
469
00:30:28,993 --> 00:30:31,788
That's when he knew I was there,
and he came running out.
470
00:30:32,288 --> 00:30:36,709
He and I were facing each other
about six feet apart, exchanging gunfire.
471
00:30:40,713 --> 00:30:44,884
Fortunately, they just went all around me.
It was like a Pulp Fiction moment.
472
00:30:44,968 --> 00:30:47,804
Die, you motherfuckers, die!
473
00:30:57,021 --> 00:30:59,482
His gun stopped working.
474
00:30:59,566 --> 00:31:02,110
I didn't know if it jammed
or ran out of ammunition.
475
00:31:02,193 --> 00:31:05,697
He was almost like in disbelief
that he couldn't shoot his gun anymore.
476
00:31:05,780 --> 00:31:08,825
And he stopped,
he looked at his gun, looked at me.
477
00:31:08,908 --> 00:31:12,787
We made eye contact, and he threw the gun,
hit me on the shoulder.
478
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:13,872
It dropped to the ground.
479
00:31:13,955 --> 00:31:17,083
And he turns towards us,
all the guys shootin' at him,
480
00:31:17,166 --> 00:31:19,460
and just starts chargin' at us.
481
00:31:19,544 --> 00:31:23,631
My slide's back. I have no bullets
in my gun, but he doesn't know that.
482
00:31:23,715 --> 00:31:26,435
The slide's back and I said,
"I'm gonna kill you. Get on the ground."
483
00:31:26,509 --> 00:31:27,719
"I'm gonna kill you."
484
00:31:27,802 --> 00:31:29,721
And he just keeps... Dead eyes.
485
00:31:29,804 --> 00:31:32,807
Just keeps looking at me
and just walkin' right towards me.
486
00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:35,611
So I holstered up
and chased after him, and I tackled him.
487
00:31:36,102 --> 00:31:37,729
The kid just collapses.
488
00:31:38,396 --> 00:31:40,565
And he's violently resisting us.
489
00:31:41,065 --> 00:31:42,859
Just running on pure adrenaline.
490
00:31:42,942 --> 00:31:47,322
I had an empty gun.
No bullets in it, but I had a gun.
491
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:49,699
So I said, "I'm gonna knock him out."
492
00:31:49,782 --> 00:31:52,660
I tried as hard as I could
to knock that kid out.
493
00:31:53,244 --> 00:31:57,206
Sergeant Pugliese got one cuff on him,
and I'm just hittin' him as hard as I can.
494
00:31:57,290 --> 00:32:00,043
I'm tryin' to knock this kid out.
Tryin' to make it easier.
495
00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:02,629
Tryin' to make sure that we don't die.
496
00:32:02,712 --> 00:32:06,341
Officer Reynolds is looking down
the street, and he says,
497
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:08,927
"Somebody got in the SUV.
They turned around."
498
00:32:11,721 --> 00:32:14,182
Coming towards us! Coming towards us!
499
00:32:15,975 --> 00:32:18,770
I looked again,
and the headlights were right in my face.
500
00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:21,522
"Sarge, get off, get off." And I push.
501
00:32:21,606 --> 00:32:26,361
I just let go, and I felt the breeze
of the vehicle go by my face.
502
00:32:27,445 --> 00:32:30,365
I watched the front wheels
go over to the suspect.
503
00:32:30,448 --> 00:32:33,743
He bounced up between the undercarriage
and the pavement three or four times,
504
00:32:33,826 --> 00:32:36,329
and he got dragged about 20, 25 feet.
505
00:32:36,412 --> 00:32:37,830
And it was like whack-a-mole.
506
00:32:37,914 --> 00:32:40,375
I mean, the car was going
probably 40 miles an hour,
507
00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:42,752
and it was just so violent.
508
00:32:43,336 --> 00:32:45,171
Suspect just took off in an SUV!
509
00:32:45,254 --> 00:32:47,423
He ran over his partner!
510
00:32:47,507 --> 00:32:50,718
The car spit the body
right out from under the car.
511
00:32:51,511 --> 00:32:53,721
The vehicle collided
with one of our police cruisers
512
00:32:53,805 --> 00:32:54,931
that was stopped there.
513
00:32:55,014 --> 00:32:56,641
And you heard an engine racing,
514
00:32:56,724 --> 00:32:59,102
tryin' to break free of the collision.
515
00:32:59,185 --> 00:33:00,603
Then he broke free,
516
00:33:00,687 --> 00:33:02,146
sped off through an intersection.
517
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:05,233
There was a barrage of gunfire
from officers that had arrived on scene.
518
00:33:15,410 --> 00:33:18,746
Uh, and he sped
through the intersection, and he was gone.
519
00:33:41,394 --> 00:33:42,603
Move. Move. Move. Move.
520
00:33:46,232 --> 00:33:47,734
You gotta get outta here.
521
00:33:52,947 --> 00:33:54,615
And I roll up on scene.
522
00:33:54,699 --> 00:33:55,699
It's dark.
523
00:33:55,742 --> 00:33:56,826
It's chaotic.
524
00:33:56,909 --> 00:33:58,870
Officers screaming, yelling.
525
00:34:01,372 --> 00:34:04,584
When I first arrived,
there were police officers everywhere.
526
00:34:05,084 --> 00:34:08,421
You're hearing that there's a shootout.
Bombs thrown at cops.
527
00:34:08,504 --> 00:34:10,298
It was absolutely surreal.
528
00:34:13,551 --> 00:34:15,762
All of a sudden,
we see police officers
529
00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:17,180
running down the road.
530
00:34:17,847 --> 00:34:19,057
Now we join them.
531
00:34:20,266 --> 00:34:25,521
We find out that we're chasing down
to where the Mercedes SUV went.
532
00:34:27,148 --> 00:34:31,235
And we come across the SUV in this street.
533
00:34:33,571 --> 00:34:36,199
The door's open. No one's there.
534
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:39,660
I said to myself, "I can't be doing this."
535
00:34:39,744 --> 00:34:42,580
"I need to organize this
and come up with a plan."
536
00:34:43,456 --> 00:34:48,294
Yeah, it was frustrating that he got away,
but I did think that he would be captured
537
00:34:48,377 --> 00:34:49,670
very shortly thereafter.
538
00:34:52,548 --> 00:34:57,637
With many police officers on the scene,
and the suspect had gotten away,
539
00:34:57,720 --> 00:35:00,473
I think this was embarrassing,
uh, to the police.
540
00:35:01,390 --> 00:35:05,561
We need an ambulance
at Laurel and Dexter for the suspect.
541
00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:08,231
Shot and run over, shot and run over.
542
00:35:08,314 --> 00:35:10,441
And the kid was in such bad shape.
543
00:35:10,525 --> 00:35:14,529
He was ripped from the armpit
to his waist, was totally open.
544
00:35:14,612 --> 00:35:15,738
Still alive.
545
00:35:15,822 --> 00:35:17,115
They cut the clothes off 'im
546
00:35:17,198 --> 00:35:18,998
and they put him
in the back of the ambulance,
547
00:35:19,033 --> 00:35:21,369
and started working on him,
and then off they went.
548
00:35:21,452 --> 00:35:24,705
They took him into a Boston hospital,
a major trauma center.
549
00:35:31,796 --> 00:35:35,216
I get out of the car,
and there was a federal agent there,
550
00:35:35,299 --> 00:35:38,052
and he said, "That's an unexploded
ordnance on the ground."
551
00:35:38,136 --> 00:35:41,305
One of the fuse pipe bombs
was lying on the ground.
552
00:35:42,056 --> 00:35:43,516
There was bullet holes everywhere.
553
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:46,394
Through the stop signs,
into the side of houses.
554
00:35:46,477 --> 00:35:48,479
Discarded handguns in the street.
555
00:35:49,021 --> 00:35:52,817
The thing that struck home with me
was pressure cooker in the side of a car.
556
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:56,404
You know, exactly the MO
for the Marathon bombers.
557
00:35:57,029 --> 00:35:59,031
I'm like, "Oh my God. These are the guys."
558
00:36:00,366 --> 00:36:03,995
SWAT guy came up to me. He said,
"Hey, Sarge, you know who you got here?"
559
00:36:04,078 --> 00:36:07,081
"You know who you got here?"
And I thought he was asking me, like, who...
560
00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:09,458
I go, "Guys, these aren't Watertown kids."
561
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:12,270
Other people are showing up.
562
00:36:12,295 --> 00:36:14,255
They're saying,
"You guys know who you got here?"
563
00:36:14,338 --> 00:36:17,884
I said, "A couple of carjackers."
"No, you got the Boston Marathon bombers."
564
00:36:18,384 --> 00:36:19,302
Get outta here.
565
00:36:19,385 --> 00:36:20,928
"You got the Boston bombers."
566
00:36:21,012 --> 00:36:24,640
"These are the Marathon bombers."
And he goes, "No, it was a stolen car."
567
00:36:25,141 --> 00:36:29,395
The cops involved in the shootout
really didn't realize what they had.
568
00:36:29,478 --> 00:36:32,023
Holy shit. And then I'm thinking, "Bombs"?
569
00:36:32,773 --> 00:36:36,402
"You know, all this ammo. Jeez, I probably
should have picked up on that earlier."
570
00:36:36,485 --> 00:36:39,322
But, you know, I'm not a detective.
I'm a patrolman.
571
00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:44,952
I'm not a cop. I understand
that there are inherent dangers
572
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:46,204
in a lot of situations...
573
00:36:47,288 --> 00:36:51,792
...but to just shoot and shoot
210 shots from police alone...
574
00:36:51,876 --> 00:36:53,085
This is no bullshit.
575
00:36:53,169 --> 00:36:55,379
...you put innocent lives in danger.
576
00:36:56,923 --> 00:37:00,885
I interviewed a man
whose child was almost killed.
577
00:37:00,968 --> 00:37:02,803
The baby was sleeping in the room
578
00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:05,848
where a bullet came
within inches of the baby's head.
579
00:37:07,391 --> 00:37:13,189
The fact that civilians in their homes
weren't injured or killed was luck.
580
00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:18,569
What we're looking for is a suspect
consistent with the description
581
00:37:19,070 --> 00:37:21,864
of suspect number two,
the white-capped individual
582
00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:25,868
who was involved in Monday's bombing
of the Boston Marathon.
583
00:37:26,369 --> 00:37:27,787
Suspect 1 was shot?
584
00:37:27,870 --> 00:37:29,630
- That's correct.
- Is he alive?
585
00:37:29,664 --> 00:37:32,142
- Is suspect 1...
- We don't have names at this point.
586
00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:33,167
Is he alive?
587
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:36,295
Listen, this is an ongoing...
This is an ongoing investigation.
588
00:37:36,379 --> 00:37:38,547
We can't... We can't get into details
589
00:37:38,631 --> 00:37:41,801
on the, uh... On the descriptions
of the suspects or the names.
590
00:37:41,884 --> 00:37:45,137
We're trying to get information out
to the people who live here.
591
00:37:45,221 --> 00:37:47,974
That they should stay in their homes
and not open their doors
592
00:37:48,057 --> 00:37:49,767
unless police officers are there.
593
00:37:49,850 --> 00:37:51,769
We had one suspect in custody.
594
00:37:51,852 --> 00:37:54,188
I was told that he had been taken
from the scene.
595
00:37:56,065 --> 00:37:57,984
He was pronounced dead at the hospital.
596
00:37:59,318 --> 00:38:01,570
So we needed to identify the suspect
597
00:38:01,654 --> 00:38:03,489
to find out who these guys are.
598
00:38:03,990 --> 00:38:07,576
We scrambled to the hospital,
and we rolled his prints.
599
00:38:08,411 --> 00:38:10,746
We know he's one of the bombers.
600
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:14,125
We're all thinking,
"Hopefully we've got him in the database."
601
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,336
If we can figure out who he was,
602
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,881
then this information could also lead us
to the other suspect.
603
00:38:21,590 --> 00:38:24,802
We ran his fingerprints through numerous
amount of federal databases
604
00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:26,887
to identify this individual.
605
00:38:35,021 --> 00:38:36,272
We got a hit.
606
00:38:38,024 --> 00:38:39,784
His name was Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
607
00:38:39,859 --> 00:38:41,099
- Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
- Tamerlan.
608
00:38:41,152 --> 00:38:42,236
Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
609
00:38:43,321 --> 00:38:46,032
Immediately, we began the process
of database checks
610
00:38:46,115 --> 00:38:48,409
to understand who this individual was.
611
00:38:48,492 --> 00:38:51,454
It's a massive information flow.
612
00:38:51,537 --> 00:38:53,914
We learn he's a Chechen national,
613
00:38:53,998 --> 00:38:56,917
been here for a number of years,
right here in Cambridge.
614
00:38:57,418 --> 00:38:59,503
That was a huge break
for the investigation.
615
00:39:04,759 --> 00:39:06,385
I was in the command post.
616
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:08,721
The door opened up,
and Rick DesLauriers came in.
617
00:39:09,221 --> 00:39:12,683
He was upset. He was clearly frazzled.
618
00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:16,395
He said, "We know this guy.
We've looked at him before."
619
00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:18,689
I was shocked, and I said,
620
00:39:19,273 --> 00:39:20,399
"How do you know him?"
621
00:39:20,483 --> 00:39:23,152
He said, "We received a report
from the FSB,
622
00:39:23,235 --> 00:39:27,323
the Russian intelligence service,
that this guy is a terrorist."
623
00:39:27,406 --> 00:39:29,867
There was a prior Guardian lead.
624
00:39:29,950 --> 00:39:32,787
The Guardian assessments
are the lowest level of investigation
625
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:35,456
that the FBI will conduct
on a national security subject.
626
00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:39,335
That is when you have uncorroborated
single-source information that comes in.
627
00:39:39,919 --> 00:39:41,319
He said he questioned them,
628
00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:43,923
looked at the information
that they provided us,
629
00:39:44,006 --> 00:39:45,591
and we closed the case.
630
00:39:45,674 --> 00:39:48,135
I said, "You guys had access
to this information?
631
00:39:48,219 --> 00:39:50,679
"Why didn't you tell us
that these guys were out there?"
632
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:55,893
Nothing in that Guardian assessment
would've led us to believe
633
00:39:55,976 --> 00:39:57,728
that Tamerlan Tsarnaev was gonna bomb
634
00:39:57,812 --> 00:39:59,814
the 2013 Boston Marathon.
635
00:40:01,232 --> 00:40:03,317
I was frustrated by that, and surprised.
636
00:40:14,078 --> 00:40:16,247
Law enforcement
is always trying to find
637
00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:18,249
the people who committed a crime
638
00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:20,000
or were suspected of committing a crime.
639
00:40:21,043 --> 00:40:24,422
I'm not trying to do that.
I'm trying to understand the story.
640
00:40:25,631 --> 00:40:28,634
You're not born a monster
who blows up a marathon
641
00:40:28,717 --> 00:40:30,177
and kills an eight-year-old.
642
00:40:32,138 --> 00:40:34,348
We need to know how this happens.
643
00:40:35,391 --> 00:40:36,809
How did he get there?
644
00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:40,521
That's why I'm here. I'm here for that.
645
00:40:51,323 --> 00:40:52,533
Hour after hour,
646
00:40:52,616 --> 00:40:55,744
the thunder of Russian guns
rolls around this border area.
647
00:40:56,245 --> 00:40:57,997
They're aimed at Chechen militants.
648
00:41:01,125 --> 00:41:04,628
In the late 1990s, Chechens were seen
as people who were being persecuted,
649
00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:09,550
and the United States
was willing to give refugee status
650
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:11,427
to those fleeing persecution.
651
00:41:13,596 --> 00:41:18,100
Anzor Tsarnaev, Tamerlan's father,
saw the American dream on Hollywood movies
652
00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:20,853
and decided that that's what he wanted.
653
00:41:22,188 --> 00:41:25,983
He gets to America with his wife
and their four children.
654
00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:29,487
They move into this cramped apartment
in the Boston area.
655
00:41:30,946 --> 00:41:33,199
By this point, Tamerlan is a teenager.
656
00:41:34,283 --> 00:41:38,370
He had learned to box in Kyrgyzstan,
and he was talented.
657
00:41:38,913 --> 00:41:40,206
And his father saw this,
658
00:41:40,289 --> 00:41:42,750
and he wanted him to become a champion.
659
00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:44,251
Watch this guy.
660
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:45,336
Very skilled man
661
00:41:45,419 --> 00:41:47,171
who's gonna take
the championship for sure.
662
00:41:52,134 --> 00:41:56,764
The first time I met Tamerlan
was around 2008.
663
00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:58,933
His father had trained him.
664
00:41:59,016 --> 00:42:00,476
Very intense guy.
665
00:42:01,727 --> 00:42:03,395
He rode him to be the best.
666
00:42:04,188 --> 00:42:06,190
So Tamerlan, he was very on point.
667
00:42:06,857 --> 00:42:09,068
I was really impressed
with his work ethic.
668
00:42:09,902 --> 00:42:11,904
And he was very effective in the ring.
669
00:42:11,987 --> 00:42:16,951
Ladies and gentlemen, Tamerlan Tsarnaev!
670
00:42:17,034 --> 00:42:19,245
He was like a man boxing kids.
671
00:42:33,676 --> 00:42:34,760
Um, ahem...
672
00:42:35,844 --> 00:42:37,054
The year before the Olympics,
673
00:42:37,137 --> 00:42:39,014
he was doing phenomenally well
674
00:42:39,098 --> 00:42:41,183
and he was winning all of his matches.
675
00:42:41,267 --> 00:42:45,604
The winner! Tamerlan Tsarnaev!
676
00:42:51,402 --> 00:42:54,405
Anzor Tsarnaev would brag to his friends:
677
00:42:54,488 --> 00:42:57,116
"My son is gonna be
on the US Olympic boxing team."
678
00:42:58,242 --> 00:43:01,328
I not only believed
that he could make the Olympics,
679
00:43:01,412 --> 00:43:04,039
but he had a good chance
of winning a medal.
680
00:43:04,123 --> 00:43:05,416
You excited?
681
00:43:05,499 --> 00:43:07,209
Yeah. Why not?
682
00:43:08,419 --> 00:43:09,670
You know?
683
00:43:10,754 --> 00:43:12,548
But we later found out
684
00:43:12,631 --> 00:43:16,010
that he wasn't gonna be able
to go to the Olympic trials.
685
00:43:17,261 --> 00:43:19,179
That right overhand's there all day.
686
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:21,890
That left hook
when he drops his right hand.
687
00:43:24,143 --> 00:43:25,603
The rule change was what did it.
688
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:29,565
To make it onto the Olympic team,
you had to be a US citizen.
689
00:43:29,648 --> 00:43:31,008
And Tamerlan, he wasn't a citizen.
690
00:43:32,151 --> 00:43:35,195
The way he presented
the Olympic situation to me
691
00:43:35,279 --> 00:43:36,655
boiled down to,
692
00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:40,326
"I'm Muslim, they don't want me
to represent the United States."
693
00:43:40,409 --> 00:43:41,827
"So it's not gonna happen."
694
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:43,746
I said, "You could go professional."
695
00:43:43,829 --> 00:43:45,956
"You know, there are many things
we can do and..."
696
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,374
"No, it's all rigged."
697
00:43:47,458 --> 00:43:50,711
"I'm Muslim,
and it's not gonna work out for me."
698
00:43:50,794 --> 00:43:51,712
And at this point,
699
00:43:51,795 --> 00:43:55,132
you start
to really sense his disillusionment.
700
00:43:55,883 --> 00:43:58,010
He really pushed deeper into religion.
701
00:44:01,722 --> 00:44:05,934
One time we had a guest speaker,
and the subject was Martin Luther King.
702
00:44:06,435 --> 00:44:09,396
And what he stood for.
Uh, what kind of person he was.
703
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:12,483
Tamerlan stood up and shouted.
704
00:44:12,566 --> 00:44:15,402
"Why are we
to celebrate Martin Luther King?"
705
00:44:15,486 --> 00:44:16,570
"He's not a Muslim."
706
00:44:17,071 --> 00:44:20,074
"We should be following
and celebrating only the Prophet."
707
00:44:20,949 --> 00:44:23,827
For anyone during a sermon
to voice discontent
708
00:44:23,911 --> 00:44:26,205
as vehemently as he did,
709
00:44:26,705 --> 00:44:29,708
it was kind of really upsetting
for everyone.
710
00:44:29,792 --> 00:44:32,670
Um, and very unusual.
711
00:44:32,753 --> 00:44:36,965
Tamerlan's rhetoric
about the Zionist conspiracies
712
00:44:37,049 --> 00:44:38,509
became a lot more animated.
713
00:44:38,592 --> 00:44:41,804
I think Tamerlan used Islam as a tool
714
00:44:41,887 --> 00:44:46,225
to justify his discontent
of where his life was going.
715
00:44:46,308 --> 00:44:48,560
The idea that it's not, "We failed."
716
00:44:48,644 --> 00:44:50,312
It's, "This society is built
717
00:44:50,396 --> 00:44:52,648
against Muslims, against us."
718
00:44:53,482 --> 00:44:55,526
He would say that the Muslim nations
719
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:56,735
were being stomped on
720
00:44:56,819 --> 00:44:57,945
by the West,
721
00:44:58,028 --> 00:44:59,530
their oil taken.
722
00:44:59,613 --> 00:45:02,408
Israel and the rich Jews were behind it.
723
00:45:02,491 --> 00:45:04,535
Kind of a global conspiracy.
724
00:45:04,618 --> 00:45:07,871
He's started to overtly associate
with his religion.
725
00:45:07,955 --> 00:45:10,916
Was wearing the skull cap
with a big beard.
726
00:45:18,841 --> 00:45:20,676
Approximately 2:30 p.m. today,
727
00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:21,927
the Waltham police responded
728
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:24,847
to this scene at 12 Harding Avenue.
729
00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:28,767
Uh, there are three dead bodies.
Very graphic crime scene.
730
00:45:28,851 --> 00:45:32,563
This is a fluid, ongoing investigation.
731
00:45:32,646 --> 00:45:35,524
Two of the three victims
lived nearby in Cambridge, Mass.
732
00:45:35,607 --> 00:45:38,444
The third victim
was 25-year-old Brendon Mess.
733
00:45:38,527 --> 00:45:40,946
He was a local mixed martial arts fighter.
734
00:45:41,029 --> 00:45:43,824
Brandon Mess
was Tamerlan's best friend at the time.
735
00:45:43,907 --> 00:45:46,910
They always came to the gym together.
I know they went out together.
736
00:45:48,495 --> 00:45:51,290
The following day,
Tamerlan came into the gym.
737
00:45:52,624 --> 00:45:54,001
I said to him,
738
00:45:54,084 --> 00:45:56,128
"Sorry to hear what happened to Brendan."
739
00:45:56,879 --> 00:46:00,424
His response really, really unsettled me.
740
00:46:00,507 --> 00:46:04,386
He said, "You do bad things,
you sell drugs,
741
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:06,722
that's the type of stuff
that happens to you."
742
00:46:09,057 --> 00:46:11,351
Then suddenly, Tamerlan disappeared.
743
00:46:11,435 --> 00:46:12,644
And when he came back,
744
00:46:12,728 --> 00:46:13,937
he was quite different.
745
00:46:16,273 --> 00:46:19,693
Tamerlan goes to Dagestan
in the summer of 2012.
746
00:46:22,404 --> 00:46:26,700
The FBI get a memo from the FSB,
the Russian Security Service.
747
00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:29,995
Tamerlan had been recorded
on a phone call saying the word "jihad."
748
00:46:32,206 --> 00:46:34,374
And that's what led
to the Guardians screening.
749
00:46:35,334 --> 00:46:37,795
But the FBI had deduced
that he doesn't pose a threat.
750
00:46:39,338 --> 00:46:40,338
They let him go.
751
00:46:44,468 --> 00:46:46,148
When we identified Tamerlan,
752
00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:48,222
we didn't know if any of his associates
753
00:46:48,305 --> 00:46:49,785
that might have more bombs out there.
754
00:46:49,848 --> 00:46:51,600
At that point we looked at his background,
755
00:46:51,683 --> 00:46:53,644
his friends, family members.
756
00:46:54,686 --> 00:46:57,856
We quickly learned his younger brother
was named Dzhokhar Tsarnaev.
757
00:47:00,734 --> 00:47:02,986
We obtained
his driver's license photograph.
758
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:06,198
We matched that up
with the photos from the bombing.
759
00:47:09,701 --> 00:47:10,577
At that point,
760
00:47:10,661 --> 00:47:12,329
we knew he was the second bomber.
761
00:47:13,372 --> 00:47:17,501
Black Hat is Tamerlan Tsarnaev.
And Dzhokhar is White Hat.
762
00:47:17,584 --> 00:47:18,836
That's his brother.
763
00:47:19,336 --> 00:47:22,548
We needed to find Dzhokhar
as quickly as possible.
764
00:47:23,632 --> 00:47:25,217
And we began the search
765
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:26,844
for the second suspect.
766
00:47:26,927 --> 00:47:29,763
We were activating
a grid search of Watertown.
767
00:47:29,847 --> 00:47:31,890
They go into a tactical mode,
768
00:47:31,974 --> 00:47:33,392
going 20 blocks out
769
00:47:33,475 --> 00:47:35,060
in every direction from that Mercedes,
770
00:47:35,143 --> 00:47:37,187
the car they dumped after the carjacking.
771
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:40,023
We were searching house by house,
772
00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:41,108
block by block
773
00:47:41,942 --> 00:47:43,151
from the middle out.
774
00:47:43,235 --> 00:47:46,864
Is he in the neighborhood? Did he get out?
Is he back home? Where is he?
775
00:47:47,948 --> 00:47:49,988
I've been involved
in thousands of searches.
776
00:47:50,033 --> 00:47:54,288
You know, sometimes they get out,
and other times they just hunker down.
777
00:47:54,371 --> 00:47:56,123
And I was hoping that it was the latter.
778
00:47:58,292 --> 00:48:01,336
But it had been two to three hours,
and we hadn't found anyone.
779
00:48:02,254 --> 00:48:05,299
Every minute that passes
is a possibility of him getting away.
780
00:48:05,382 --> 00:48:07,301
That was a scary moment
in the investigation.
781
00:48:07,384 --> 00:48:09,428
We don't know how big of a group
we're dealing with.
782
00:48:09,511 --> 00:48:13,932
We were anticipating the potential
of the activation of a larger cell
783
00:48:14,016 --> 00:48:15,016
who would attack.
784
00:48:15,517 --> 00:48:17,895
This was a massive national manhunt,
785
00:48:17,978 --> 00:48:20,063
unprecedented
in US law enforcement history.
786
00:48:20,939 --> 00:48:22,733
We're asking people to shelter in place.
787
00:48:22,816 --> 00:48:25,903
The city on lockdown.
This is unprecedented.
788
00:48:25,986 --> 00:48:27,821
Several hundred police officers
789
00:48:27,905 --> 00:48:29,615
are scouring these streets
790
00:48:29,698 --> 00:48:31,116
for a man they are convinced
791
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:32,409
is a terrorist
792
00:48:32,492 --> 00:48:34,620
who has come here to kill people.
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