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Man: THE STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA

HAS DECIDED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PASS A STATUTE

THAT LITERALLY ECHOES THE KIND OF STATUTE THAT EXISTED

PRIOR TO THE DECISION IN ROE VERSUS WADE.

IT SAYS THAT ABORTION IS PROHIBITED IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES

EXCEPT WHERE NECESSARY

TO PROTECT THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER.

GOVERNOR MIKE ROUNDS WAS UNDER INCREDIBLE PRESSURE

FROM, NOT JUST IN THE STATE OF SOUTH DAKOTA,

BUT ALL OVER THE WORLD.

HE HAD EMAILS AND LETTERS AND PRESSURE PUT ON HIM.

BUT GOVERNOR MIKE ROUNDS

DID WHAT HE KNEW IN HIS HEART TO BE TRUTH.

AND HE DID THE RIGHT THING.

AND HE STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE

AND HIS NAME WILL GO DOWN IN HISTORY

AS A GREAT GOVERNOR.

AND I BELIEVE THAT WE NEED

TO SET OUR STANDARDS HIGHER IN THIS NATION

AND NOT JUST SETTLE FOR A PHYSICAL RELATIONSHIP,

BUT HAVE IT BE SOMETHING THAT'S A HEART-TO-HEART.

AND HAVE IT BE NOT JUST ABOUT LUST

BUT HAVE IT BE ABOUT LOVE.

YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE CONCLUSION

THAT THERE IS A VERY, VERY STRONG POSSIBILITY

THAT WITHIN THE NEXT THREE YEARS,

BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT THIS PIECE OF LEGISLATION

WOULD FIND ITSELF ON THE BENCHES

OF THE MEMBERS OF THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT,

THAT THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PRESIDENT BUSH

TO APPOINT ANOTHER MEMBER

TO THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT.

AND GIVEN HIS SELECTION PROCESS

AND THE FACT THAT HE CERTAINLY SUPPORTS

THE PRO-LIFE SIDE OF THIS ISSUE,

I THINK WE HAVE EVERY REASON TO EXPECT

THAT PRESIDENT BUSH WOULD APPOINT ANOTHER PRO-LIFE JUSTICE,

WHICH AT THAT TIME WOULD BE

FIVE PRO-LIFE VERSUS FOUR PRO-ABORTION.

I MEAN, WHAT IT... WHAT IT REALLY BREAKS DOWN TO HERE, FOR ME

IS THAT ABORTION IS PART OF A HUGE ISSUE ON BOTH SIDES.

BUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRO-CHOICE

AND THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENTS RIGHT NOW

IS THAT THE PRO-CHOICE MOVEMENT IS THE ONLY MOVEMENT

TRULY TRYING, OR ATTEMPTING,

TO DECREASE THE NEED FOR ABORTION.

IT WOULD BE SENSE-MAKING

TO SAY THAT BIRTH CONTROL TO...

BEING ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE TO PEOPLE

THAT WANT TO PREVENT UNWANTED PREGNANCIES

WOULD BE CRUCIAL.

BUT YET THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT

IS NOT ONLY TARGETING ABORTION,

BUT THEY'RE TARGETING BIRTH CONTROL,

THEY'RE EQUATING BIRTH CONTROL TO ABORTION,

ESPECIALLY EMERGENCY CONTRACEPTION.

AND THEN NEXT, THEY GO AFTER SEX EDUCATION.

SO IN THE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT'S IDEAL,

PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE SEX UNTIL MARRIAGE,

NOR DO THEY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PREGNANCY PREVENTION,

USE BIRTH CONTROL,

OR EVER ENCOUNTER ANY SEXUAL TRANS...

SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES.

IT'S KIND OF AMAZING.

SO...

I WISH I COULD LIVE THERE.

SOMEONE THAT BELIEVES IN GOD

AND HAS A RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST

IS GOING TO HEAVEN AND IS GOING TO LIVE FOREVER.

SOMEONE THAT DOES NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS CHRIST

IS GOING TO BURN IN HELL FOREVER.

SO EITHER WAY, YOU'RE GOING TO LIVE FOREVER.

YOU CAN MAKE THAT CHOICE, EITHER HEAVEN OR HELL.

IT'S UP TO YOU.

Burt: HELL IS LIKE A LAKE OF FIRE.

TORMENT FOREVER AND EVER IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Man: WHAT IS A LAKE OF FIRE?

OH, I... I VISUALIZE IT LIKE IT MUST BE LIKE LAVA

COMING OUT OF A VOLCANO, EXCEPT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN IT,

AND THEY'RE BURNING AND BURNING AND BURNING

AND THEY WANT TO DIE, BUT THEY CAN NEVER DIE.

HEAVEN IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACE YOU CAN IMAGINE.

THERE'S NO SICKNESS, THERE'S NO TEARS, THERE'S NO CRIME.

AND BEST OF ALL, JESUS IS THERE.

Man: I THANK YOU FOR ALL THE YOUNG PEOPLE

THAT HAVE COME OUT TODAY, FATHER.

I THANK YOU FOR THEIR ZEAL AND FOR THEIR COMMITMENT, FATHER GOD.

AND I PRAY THAT YOU BLESS THEM FOR THAT, LORD.

AND I PRAY MOSTLY THAT THEY TAKE THIS HOME WITH THEM, FATHER GOD,

THAT THIS IS NOT A ONCE-A-YEAR EVENT, FATHER,

THAT THIS IS A DAILY EVENT FOR THEM, GOD.

GOD, I PRAY THAT YOU KEEP ME HUMBLE

AND I PRAY THAT YOU HELP ME TO LEAD YOUNG PEOPLE, FATHER GOD.

I THANK YOU, IN JESUS CHRIST'S NAME.

AMEN.

THANK YOU, JESUS.

Man: THIS IS MY FOURTH MARCH FOR LIFE.

BUT THREE MONTHS AGO,

I GOT A CALL FROM MY YOUNGER BROTHER.

HE SAID, "JEFF, MY GIRLFRIEND'S PREGNANT.

I'M SCARED.

WHAT SHOULD I DO?"

HE WAS HELPLESS...

AND HE WAS SCARED.

AND HE LOVED HIS BABY.

OUR WHOLE FAMILY TRIED TO HELP.

UM...

MY PARENTS OFFERED TO ADOPT THE BABY;

MY BROTHER OFFERED TO MARRY HIS GIRLFRIEND.

CHRISTIAN FAMILIES OFFERED TO GIVE HER A PLACE TO LIVE.

I WAS ABLE TO PUT HER IN TOUCH WITH PREGNANCY HELP CENTERS

TO PROVIDE HER WITH FOOD, CLOTHING, A JOB,

DAYCARE WHILE SHE WENT TO SCHOOL.

MY PARENTS OFFERED TO PAY FOR A BABYSITTER

IF SHE WANTED TO KEEP THE BABY.

AND AT FIRST, IT SEEMED LIKE, YOU KNOW,

SHE WANTED TO HAVE THE BABY,

AND SHE SEEMED A BIT EXCITED.

UM...

AND THEN SHE TALKED TO TWO OF HER ROOMMATES

WHO HAD HAD ABORTIONS BEFORE...

AND THINGS GOT TO BE DESPERATE.

UH, MAYBE EIGHT WEEKS INTO THE PREGNANCY,

MY BROTHER CALLED AND HE'S LIKE, "JEFF, CALL HER.

JUST CALL HER. JUST CALL HER ON THE PHONE.

I'M SCARED. SHE SAYS SHE DOESN'T WANT TO MARRY ME,

SHE DOESN'T WANT THE BABY."

ABOUT THIS NOVEMBER...

TOWARDS THE END OF NOVEMBER, NEAR THANKSGIVING...

MY BROTHER'S GIRLFRIEND SET UP AN APPOINTMENT

AT A PITTSBURGH ABORTION CLINIC.

HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE LOOK ON A FATHER'S FACE

WHEN HIS CHILD'S ABOUT TO DIE

AND HE'S COMPLETELY HELPLESS TO STOP IT?

JUST THINK OF HOW MANY FATHERS

OF THOSE CROSSES OUT THERE

WHO DON'T KNOW ANYBODY,

WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR HELP,

HOW DESPERATE THEY MUST FEEL.

Man: PRAYING FOR ENDING OF ABORTION IN AMERICA

AND THE ENTIRE WORLD IS A PRAYER

THAT WOULD BE WORTH YOUR WHILE.

BECAUSE SOME DAY THIS THING IS GOING TO BE TURNED AROUND.

IT MAY NOT BE IN OUR LIFETIMES, BUT...

BUT SOME DAY WHEN THE MESSIAH RETURNS

AND AT THE RESURRECTION,

THE... THE DEAD BODIES WILL COME OUT OF THE GRAVES AND...

AND EVERYONE WILL HAVE TO ANSWER WHAT THEY'VE DONE WHERE...

WHEREVER THEY ARE.

Various: NOT THE CHURCH, NOT THE STATE,

WOMEN MUST DECIDE THEIR FATE!

NOT THE CHURCH, NOT THE STATE,

WOMEN MUST DECIDE THEIR FATE!

NOT THE CHURCH, NOT THE STATE,

WOMEN MUST DECIDE THEIR FATE!

NOT THE CHURCH, NOT THE STATE,

WOMEN MUST DECIDE THEIR FATE!

Man: ONE MINUTE AFTER BIRTH

IS CAPITAL PUNISHMENT, MURDER ONE.

ONE MINUTE BEFORE IS AN ABORTION.

IT IS 100% LEGAL.

A FIRST TRIMESTER ABORTION IS A TINY PUDDLE OF FLESH!

PRO-LIFE NUMBER ONE! GOD LOVES US.

WHAT IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN GOD?

THIS SHALL HAPPEN IN THE PRESENCE OF HIS MAJESTY.

WOE, WOE, WOE TO THIS EVIL GENERATION.

HOW COULD WE SAY WE BELIEVE IN GOD

AND BUTCHER ONE AND A HALF MILLION BABES EVERY YEAR?

HOW COULD WE?

Man: A MIRACLE OF A NEW GENERATION

THAT WILL CATCH THE VISION AND SHOULDER THE BURDEN.

ONLY YOU CAN SEE BEYOND THIS CROSSROADS.

ONLY YOU CAN SEE THE FRUIT OF OUR LABORS AND OUR SACRIFICE.

BUT TODAY, ON THIS 20th ANNIVERSARY,

WE STAND DETERMINED, WE STAND UNITED!

AMEN!

Crowd: AMEN.

Man: PRAISE GOD.

♪ GOD BLESS AMERICA

♪ LAND THAT I LOVE

♪ STAND BESIDE HER...

WE HAVE THE PASSION AND THE VISION

AND THE COURAGE OF KNOWING THAT WE ARE RIGHT.

WE ARE RIGHT, THEY ARE WRONG,

AS WE CLING TO THE WORD OF GOD.

WHERE... WHERE POLICE ARE TELLING US THAT WE CAN'T PRAY.

WHERE THEY'RE ARRESTING US FOR SAVING BABIES.

WHERE WE HAVE FORCED ABORTION, FORCED STERILIZATION,

GANG VIOLENCE IN OUR CITIES.

YOU WOMEN WHO HAVE A MATERNAL PASSION BEATING IN YOUR BREAST,

DON'T KEEP IT IN YOUR KITCHEN ONLY,

TAKE IT DOWN TO THE SCHOOL BOARD,

TAKE IT DOWN TO THE CITY LEGISLATURE AND RUN FOR OFFICE.

I'D RATHER HAVE A 100 DEBORAHS

THAN ONE COWARDLY AHAB WHO COWERS TO JEZEBEL!

Crowd:

♪ OUR HOME...

EVERYONE NOW!

♪ SWEET

♪ HOME

♪ MY HOME SWEET HOME!

WE HAVE A TWO-FOLD PLAN: NUMBER ONE IS TO SAVE

AS MANY CHILDREN AS WE CAN FROM DEATH.

AND NUMBER TWO, IT'S TO BE A PROPHETIC WITNESS

TO THE CLINTON ADMINISTRATION

THAT WE WILL NOT BACK DOWN ON UPHOLDING THE LAW OF GOD.

IF THIS NATION... IF BILL CLINTON

IS GOING TO REJECT THE LAW OF GOD,

THEN THIS NATION IS GOING TO DIE.

Woman: WHAT HAPPENED HERE?

WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE HAD, UH,

OPERATION RESCUE HOLD THEIR PRAYER VIGIL,

AS THEY CALL IT, IN FRONT OF OUR CLINIC,

AND THEY ATTEMPTED TO BLOCK IT.

AND, FORTUNATELY, WE WERE ABLE TO SUCCEED.

AND THE POLICE HELPED US AND WE GOT ALL OUR PATIENTS IN.

Crowd: TWO, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT,

RANDALL TERRY LOST TODAY!

TWO, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT,

RANDALL TERRY LOST TODAY!

TWO, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT,

RANDALL TERRY LOST TODAY!

TWO, FOUR, SIX, EIGHT...

A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, WE WENT TO AN ABORTION MILL

IN NORTH CAROLINA, TOOK 128 DEAD BABIES,

ARMS, LEGS, HEADS, EVERYTHING, OUT OF DUMPSTERS.

WE EVEN GOT A WRITE-UP IN THE PAPER ABOUT IT.

"THE CHARLOTTE OBSERVER" ACTUALLY PRINTED IT.

WE'VE BEEN TAKING IT TO ABORTION MILLS,

GIVING IT TO PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING IN FOR ABORTIONS

AND THEY'VE BEEN LEAVING, GOING TO PLANNED PARENTHOOD CLINICS,

JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT THEIR BABY TO WIND UP IN THAT DUMPSTER.

LADIES, THESE MEN...

YOU'RE PLAYING RIGHT INTO THEIR HANDS

BECAUSE THEY ARE EXPLOITING YOU SEXUALLY.

THEY'RE HAVING SEX WITH YOU WHEN THEY WANT, WHEN YOU WANT,

THEY'RE USING YOU SEXUALLY

AND THEN THEY'RE PAYING TO HAVE YOUR BABY KILLED.

IS THAT LOVING WOMEN?

...YOU'RE RACIST. I'M NOT A RACIST.

JESUS LOVES YOU EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE A PIG!

DO YOU KNOW THE PROCEDURE USED TO BE TO CRUSH THE HEADS?

NOW THEY'RE WORTH $300, SO THEY SELL THE HEADS?

Crowd: ♪ NA-NA-NA-NA, NA-NA-NA-NA ♪

♪ HEY, HEY, HEY, GOODBYE! THIS IS CALLED DENIAL.

THEY DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE TRUTH. THIS IS CALLED DENIAL.

YOU CAN'T EVEN HAVE A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION.

EVERY SOCIETY THAT HAS PROMOTED THE KILLING OF INNOCENT BLOOD,

THE SHEDDING OF INNOCENT BLOOD,

NOT TO MENTION HOMOSEXUALITY, WOULD HAVE BEEN WIPED OUT.

♪ IF YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE AND YOU KNOW IT, FIX YOUR WIGS ♪

♪ IF YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE AND YOU KNOW IT ♪

♪ AND YOU REALLY WANT TO SHOW IT ♪

♪ IF YOU'RE PRO-CHOICE AND YOU KNOW IT, FIX YOUR WIGS ♪

WOULD YOU WANT THESE KIND OF PEOPLE

TO BABY-SIT YOUR CHILDREN?

I MEAN, THINK ABOUT IT.

♪ GLORY, GLORY, WE ARE PRO-GAY ♪

♪ GLORY, GLORY, WE ARE PRO-SEX ♪

♪ CHURCH LADIES MARCHING ON ♪

THEY MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD INFLUENCE ON MY KIDS.

I COULD BE WRONG.

IT COULD BE THAT MY HOMOPHOBIA AND BIGOTRY

HAS MADE ME BLIND, BUT I THINK...

AGAIN, I COULD BE WRONG...

I THINK THAT THIS IS PERVERSION.

WHOO!

Man: RANDALL, JESUS LOVES EVEN YOU!

DON'T WORRY. IT'S ALL RIGHT.

WE SPOKE TO HIM THIS MORNING.

Crowd: RANDALL TERRY GO AWAY...

LISTEN, JEFFREY DAHMER BELIEVED IN FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

Man: SEXIST BIGOTRY!

JEFFREY DAHMER BELIEVED IN FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

SEXIST BIGOTRY! AND HE WAS A HOMOSEXUAL!

SEXIST BIGOTRY! AND HE PRACTICED NECROPHILIA!

SEXIST BIGOTRY!

DO YOU THINK JEFFREY DAHMER WAS A GOOD MAN?

SEXIST BIGOTRY. THAT'S YOU, RANDALL.

SEE, YOU CAN'T EVEN CARRY ON A CONVERSATION WITH THESE PEOPLE.

YOU CAN'T EVEN CARRY ON A CONVERSATION WITH THESE PEOPLE.

FOR ANYONE WHO STUDIED BIOLOGY OR PHYSIOLOGY,

WHO CAN GO INTO THE WOMB

AND LOOK AT THE GESTATIONAL FACTS

OF WHEN LIFE OCCURS...

JUST LIKE YOU SAID, TONY,

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRO-LIFE

AND YOU LOOK AT AN ABORTION PROCEDURE,

IN ALL ITS GLORY AND FOR WHAT IT IS,

THERE ARE NO ARGUMENTS

THAT CAN JUSTIFY THAT.

Woman: IT WAS A HARD DECISION TO MAKE.

I'M STILL IN SCHOOL.

I CAN'T...

I... CAN'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN RIGHT NOW.

Woman: THE AGE THAT I AM AND...

THE THINGS I STILL NEED TO DO

BEFORE I CAN ACTUALLY RAISE A CHILD,

LIKE FINISH COLLEGE

AND HAVE A GOOD JOB AND A MARRIAGE...

Woman: MY FIANCE, AT THE TIME,

LIVED OUT OF TOWN AND CAME HOME FOR A WEEKEND

AND I WASN'T EXPECTING HIM.

AND WE USED A CONDOM, BUT...

WASN'T AS FOOL-PROOF AS WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.

Woman: I MEAN, OUR RELATIONSHIP

WASN'T THAT, YOU KNOW, STRONG.

THERE WASN'T THAT MUCH OF...

YOU KNOW, TRUST OR SUPPORT THERE ANYWAY.

AND THEN, LIKE, TO BRING SOMETHING LIKE THIS INTO...

INTO OUR RELATIONSHIP, IT...

IT WOULDN'T HAVE WORKED.

IT... IT WON'T.

Woman: UH, HE DOESN'T CARE.

SO I DIDN'T DISCUSS IT WITH HIM.

HE DOESN'T CARE IF I HAVE THE CHILD

OR IF I ABORT THE CHILD.

Man: EVERYTHING'S GOING VERY WELL.

OKAY. VERY GOOD.

WE'VE GOT THEM IN GOOD POSITION.

AND THIS IS AN ANTISEPTIC SOLUTION.

AND WE'RE ALL DONE.

OKAY. THIS WILL FEEL MUCH BETTER NOW,

GET THE SPECULUM OUT. YEAH, THIS OUGHT TO HELP A LOT,

WE'LL GET THAT OUT. IS THAT ANY BETTER?

ALL RIGHT. JUST STAY RIGHT THERE.

JUST LET ME JUST... DOCTOR... WIPE FOR A MINUTE.

OKAY. WE ARE DONE.

ALL RIGHT.

GOOD SHOW.

WE'LL FIND OUT THAT HER TOTAL BLOOD LOSS

WAS REALLY QUITE MINIMAL.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF US

BASICALLY PIECING THE...

THE FETAL TISSUE BACK TOGETHER

TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THE FRAGMENTS.

OH, THE MEDIA ATTENTION IS...

IS ALWAYS DIRECTED FOR THE FETUS AND THE...

THE GORY PARTS, IF YOU WILL, OF...

OF PROVIDING THE... THE PROCEDURE.

WHEN THE... WHEN THE REALLY IMPORTANT THING

IS THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO HELP THIS YOUNG LADY

GET ON WITH HER LIFE, SHE'S PLANNING TO GO ON TO SCHOOL

AND SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE OVER

THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF PARENTING.

AND HERE, IN JUST A VERY FEW MINUTES,

WE'RE ABLE TO FACILITATE HER DECISION

TO NOT BE A PARENT AT THIS TIME.

MOST OF OUR PATIENTS ARE IN THE FIRST TRIMESTER

AND ONLY 1% WOULD BE AT THIS STAGE IN THE PREGNANCY.

HOW ARE YOU DOING? ARE YOU FEELING OKAY?

YOU REALLY DID FINE.

WE COULDN'T HAVE ASKED FOR YOU TO...

TO BE A BETTER PATIENT.

YOU... EVERYTHING WAS THERE

AND YOU WERE 20 MENSTRUAL WEEKS,

JUST LIKE WE HAD EXPECTED FROM THE ULTRASOUND.

BUT THE PROCEDURE REALLY WENT FINE

AND I'M SURE YOU WILL BE OKAY.

WHEN I HEAR ARGUMENTS

BY INTELLIGENT, ZEALOUS, WELL-MEANING PEOPLE,

BOTH IN FAVOR OF A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE

AND AGAINST A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE,

I ALWAYS THINK OF THE OLD STORY OF THE RABBI

WHO WAS CONDUCTING COURT IN EASTERN EUROPE.

AND HE HEARD THE HUSBAND'S VERSION

OF WHY THE MARRIAGE WAS TERRIBLE

AND SAID TO THE HUSBAND,

"YOU KNOW, MY SON, YOU'RE RIGHT."

THEN HE HEARD THE WIFE'S VERSION AND HE SAYS TO THE WIFE,

"YOU KNOW, MY DAUGHTER, YOU'RE RIGHT."

AND THEN THE RABBINICAL STUDENT SAYS,

"BUT, RABBI, THEY BOTH CAN'T BE RIGHT."

AND THE RABBI SAID, "YOU KNOW, MY SON, YOU'RE RIGHT."

EVERYBODY IS RIGHT

WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUE OF ABORTION.

ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING PEOPLE

IN THE ENTIRE ABORTION DEBATE

IS MY FRIEND AND COLLEAGUE NAT HENTOFF,

WHO IS A WRITER AND A CIVIL LIBERTARIAN.

GENERALLY SUPPORTS THE RIGHT OF WOMEN,

ALWAYS SUPPORTS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE,

FOR EXAMPLE, THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE

TO READ OR WRITE PORNOGRAPHY.

HE'S AN ATHEIST. HE DOESN'T BELIEVE IN GOD,

DOESN'T BELIEVE IN THE SOUL OF A FETUS,

AND YET HE DOES NOT SUPPORT A WOMAN'S RIGHT TO CHOOSE ABORTION.

ONCE THE SPERM AND THE EGG MEET

AND THEY FIND A SORT OF NESTING PLACE IN THE UTERUS,

YOU NOW HAVE A DEVELOPING HUMAN BEING.

IT'S NOT A KANGAROO, IT'S NOT A GIRAFFE.

IT'S A HUMAN BEING.

AND THAT DEVELOPMENT IN THE WOMB

UNTIL THE PERSON COMES OUT

IS A CONTINUING PROCESS.

THEREFORE, IF YOU KILL IT AT ANY STAGE,

FIRST THREE WEEKS, FIRST THREE MONTHS,

YOU'RE KILLING A DEVELOPING HUMAN BEING.

IT'S NOT, AS THEY USED TO SAY ON THE OTHER SIDE,

"JUST A CLUSTER OF CELLS".

THEY LIKE TO PRETEND THAT THIS IS NOT HUMAN LIFE.

AND IT'S INTERESTING...

UH, ALAN DERSHOWITZ MENTIONED TO ME SOME YEARS AGO,

HIS WIFE WAS PREGNANT

AND HE SAW THE FETUS IN A SONOGRAM.

AND YOU COULD SEE THE HANDS MOVING AND THE FEET MOVING.

AND FOR A MOMENT, HE BEGAN TO WONDER

IF HIS PRO-CHOICE POSITION WAS REALLY THE ONE TO HOLD,

BUT HE KEPT TO IT.

I'LL NEVER FORGET THE TIME

WHEN I SAW THE FIRST PICTURES

OF MY LITTLE DAUGHTER AND WAS TOLD BY THE...

THE DOCTOR THAT, YOU KNOW,

SHE WAS KIND OF REACHING FOR THE NEEDLE AS THE, UH...

THE INJECTION HAD... HAD COME IN

BECAUSE SHE WAS BEING GIVEN AN AMNIOCENTESIS.

FOR ME, THAT WAS A LIVE HUMAN BEING.

I REGARDED MY CHILD AS LIVE AND A PERSON,

CERTAINLY FROM THE THIRD MONTH OR SO.

BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAD MADE A FIRM DECISION

THAT THIS CHILD WAS GOING TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE WORLD.

I DON'T KNOW HOW I WOULD FEEL ABOUT A THREE-MONTH-OLD FETUS

WHO THE MOTHER SAID IS GOING TO BE TERMINATED.

WOULD I THINK OF IT AS A HUMAN BEING AT THAT POINT?

UH, THIS... THESE ARE... THESE ARE THE HARDEST QUESTIONS.

THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARE IMPOSSIBLE

OF SOLUTION IN THE ABSTRACT.

THERE ARE CONFLICTING VALUES.

AND TAKEN IN ISOLATION,

EACH OF THE VALUES IS QUITE LEGITIMATE.

SO THE VALUE OF PRESERVING HUMAN LIFE,

OR FOR THAT MATTER THE LIFE OF ANY ORGANISM,

UH, THAT... THAT IS A VALUE THAT WE SHOULD ACCEPT.

YOU SHOULDN'T JUST GO ARBITRARILY KILL SOME ANIMAL

BECAUSE IT'S FUN TO KILL IT.

I... THAT'S A REASONABLE VALUE.

ON THE OTHER HAND, MOST PEOPLE WILL AGREE TO SWAT A MOSQUITO.

OKAY, WELL, THAT...

THE IDEA THAT LIFE IS... SHOULD BE VALUED

HAS COME INTO CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER VALUE...

AND WE KNOW WHAT THAT ONE IS.

AND THAT'S COMMONLY THE CASE.

THE VALUES THAT WE HOLD ARE NOT ABSOLUTE,

THEY ARE ALWAYS CONTINGENT.

THEY CONFLICT.

AND LIFE IS MADE UP OF DECISIONS AND COMPLICATED SITUATIONS

IN CASES OF CONFLICTING VALUES.

IF YOU LISTEN TO JUST ONE IN ISOLATION,

YEAH, IT MAY SOUND LEGITIMATE AND...

AND MAYBE IS.

BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK WHAT IT MEANS UNDER PARTICULAR CONDITIONS.

SO CHOICE IS LEGITIMATE,

PRESERVING LIFE IS LEGITIMATE,

AND SOMETIMES THEY RUN INTO CONFLICT.

WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON

WHEN PEOPLE ARGUE ABOUT ABORTION

ARE VERY DIFFERENT WORLD VIEWS,

VERY DIFFERENT CONCEPTIONS OF THE ROLE OF WOMEN,

OF HOW IMPORTANT MOTHERHOOD IS,

OF WHETHER WOMEN SHOULD BE OUT IN THE WORLD OF WORK,

OF THE IMPORTANCE OF SEXUALITY,

OF THE SEPARATION

BETWEEN SEXUAL BEHAVIOR AND PROCREATION,

AND THAT THIS IS WHAT REALLY DIVIDES

BOTH WOMEN AND MEN ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION.

AND THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE RESOLVED

BY ANY KIND OF PHILOSOPHICAL ARGUMENT.

AND I THINK THAT WOMEN THAT ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE USED BY MEN

AND THEN HAVE TO GO TO AN ABORTION CLINIC

TO TAKE CARE OF A FEW MINUTES' PLEASURE

IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE.

I THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK TO THE BIBLE

AND WE NEED TO BRING OUR CHILDREN TO GOD.

AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S SO MUCH MURDER

AND... FREE SEX IN THIS COUNTRY.

AND WE NEED TO STOP IT.

I BELIEVE THAT THE WOMAN'S CHOICE

IS NOT TO HAVE SEX WITH...

WITH A PERSON THAT'S NOT HER HUSBAND

AND TO HAVE SEX OUT OF WEDLOCK

OR TO MESS AROUND WITH PEOPLE

BEFORE THEY GET MARRIED.

I JUST THINK IT'S WRONG

AND I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD GO BACK TO THE BIBLE

AND TEACH OUR CHILDREN RIGHTEOUSNESS.

IF YOU STUDY HISTORY,

YOU GO BACK AND FIND OUT THAT THIS NATION WAS FOUNDED

UPON MORAL ISSUES AND RELIGION.

AND WHEN YOU HAVE A LIFE FORMED INSIDE A HUMAN BEING,

AND IT IS LIFE, AND YOU TAKE THAT LIFE,

THEN YOU HAD TO PREMEDITATE THE TAKING OF THAT LIFE.

SO, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, MY FEELINGS ON ABORTION

IS THAT IT IS FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

YOU KNOW, I JUST PRAY

THAT WE WILL COME TO OUR SENSES AS A NATION,

THAT WE WILL GO BACK AND LISTEN

AND STUDY THE HISTORY OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS

AND SEE WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS REALLY BASED UPON

AND WHAT IT WAS FOUNDED UPON.

BUT HERE IN AMERICA, THE LAND OF THE FREE

AND SUPPOSEDLY THE LAND THAT BELIEVES IN GOD,

WE HAVE A HOLOCAUST OF OUR OWN,

AND BLOOD IS ON OUR HANDS

MUCH MORE THAN IT EVER WAS ON THE NAZI REGIME.

THANK YOU.

WHEN THE SUPREME COURT DECLARED ABORTION

TO BE A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT IN 1973,

THE BISHOPS BECAME EXTREMELY POLITICALLY ACTIVE.

SO MUCH SO THAT BY 1974,

THEY HAD DEVELOPED SOMETHING CALLED

THE PASTORAL PLAN FOR PRO-LIFE ACTIVITIES,

IN WHICH THEY ATTEMPTED TO ORGANIZE CATHOLICS,

CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT BY CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT,

TO WORK AGAINST ABORTION,

TO WORK TO OVERTURN ROE v. WADE

AND MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL.

YOU HAD PRO-LIFE COMMITTEES CROPPING UP

IN EVERY PARISH ACROSS THE COUNTRY,

AND YOU HAD A CONTINUING BARRAGE

OF BOTH POLITICAL CAMPAIGNING BY THE BISHOPS

AS WELL AS THE ORGANIZATION OF ORDINARY CATHOLIC PEOPLE.

IT'S THE CATHOLIC BISHOPS THAT STARTED

AND INITIALLY FINANCED

THE FIRST PRO-LIFE, ANTI-ABORTION ORGANIZATIONS

IN THE UNITED STATES.

OUR GOAL MUST BE TO SHINE THE LIGHT OF CHRIST

INTO THE HEART OF OUR NATION.

WE MUST THEREFORE, FIRST AND FOREMOST,

DEVELOP A WILLINGNESS TO SPEAK OUT IN DEFENSE OF ALL HUMAN LIFE,

EVEN IN THE MOST ORDINARY OF CIRCUMSTANCES OF DAILY LIFE.

PARISHES MUST ENGAGE THEMSELVES IN CONCERTED ACTION

THROUGH NETWORKS WHICH PROMOTE CHANGE

IN PUBLIC SOCIAL POLICY AND LEGAL RIGHTS

TO PROTECT ALL CREATED HUMAN LIFE

FROM THE MOMENT OF CONCEPTION THROUGH NATURAL DEATH.

WE ARE WARNED BY CHRIST'S MAXIM IN THE GOSPEL

THAT THOSE WHO LIVE BY VIOLENCE

WILL PERISH BY IT.

IF YOU ARE HEARING EVERY SUNDAY IN CHURCH

THAT ABORTION IS MURDER,

IF YOU ARE HEARING EVERY SUN... IF YOU ARE HEARING REGULARLY

THAT THE... THE MOST DANGEROUS ENVIRONMENT

IN THE WORLD IS WOMEN'S WOMBS,

IF YOU ARE HEARING THAT WOMEN ARE HAVING ABORTIONS FOR CONVENIENCE,

IF YOU ARE HEARING THAT WOMEN ARE SELFISH

IN THEIR DECISIONS TO HAVE ABORTIONS,

IF YOU... IF DOCTORS WHO PERFORM ABORTIONS

ARE CONSTANTLY CALLED ABORTIONISTS,

IF THE PROVISION OF ABORTION SERVICES

IS CONSTANTLY REFERRED TO AS THE ABORTION INDUSTRY,

IF YOU ARE CONSTANTLY TOLD

THAT DOCTORS DO ABORTIONS SIMPLY TO MAKE MONEY,

ALL OF THESE THINGS DULL ONE'S MORAL SENSIBILITY,

AND IN AN UNSTABLE PERSON, I THINK,

GIVES THEM THE KIND OF JUSTIFICATION THAT THEY NEED TO...

TO EVEN GO SO FAR AS TO MURDER DOCTORS.

THE LAST THREE PHYSICIANS I HAVE WORKED FOR

HAVE ALL BEEN MURDERED.

I WAS THERE THE DAY THAT DR. GUNN WAS MURDERED AT THE CLINIC

AT THE LADIES CENTER. THAT WAS IN MARCH OF '93.

Reporter: IN PENSACOLA, FLORIDA,

POLICE HAVE ARRESTED AN ANTI-ABORTION DEMONSTRATOR

FOR THE SHOOTING OF A DOCTOR OUTSIDE AN ABORTION CLINIC.

POLICE SAID MICHAEL FREDERICK GRIFFIN

APPROACHED DR. DAVID GUNN AS HE WAS ENTERING HIS CLINIC

AND SHOUTED, "DON'T KILL ANY MORE BABIES."

HE THEN SHOT DR. GUNN THREE TIMES IN THE BACK

WITH A .38 CALIBER REVOLVER.

HE THEN SURRENDERED TO THE AUTHORITIES.

GRIFFIN WAS TAKING PART IN A DEMONSTRATION

SPONSORED BY DON TRESHMAN OF RESCUE AMERICA,

A HOUSTON-BASED ANTI-ABORTION ORGANIZATION.

MICHAEL GRIFFIN WALKED UP TO HIM IN THE PARKING LOT

AND SHOT HIM IN THE BACK.

MICHAEL WAS RAISED IN FIRST METHODIST CHURCH,

DOWNTOWN PENSACOLA.

BUT THEN HE MARRIED A WOMAN WHO...

SHE AND HER FAMILY WERE MEMBERS OF THE ASSEMBLY OF GOD,

AND SO HE CONVERTED OVER TO THAT.

SO HE CAME OUT OF THE WOODWORK IN PENSACOLA.

THE CASE THE DEFENSE IS MAKING, THEY SEEM TO BE SAYING THAT...

MICHAEL GRIFFIN WAS REALLY NOT THE MAN WHO PULLED THE TRIGGER.

THE DEFENSE IS TRYING TO POINT TO ANOTHER MAN

NAMED DONALD GRATTON, WHO'S A...

A VERY ACTIVE ANTI-ABORTION MINISTER,

AND WHO'S ALSO ASSOCIATED WITH A MAN

WHO'S BEEN VERY CRITICAL IN ALL OF THIS,

JOHN BURT, ANOTHER ANTI-ABORTION MINISTER.

BUT THE DEFENSE IS TRYING TO SAY THAT THE WHOLE THING

WAS MORE OR LESS MASTERMINDED BY JOHN BURT.

WE SHOULD SEE THOSE TWO INDIVIDUALS

ON THE STAND TOMORROW, PROBABLY.

JOHN BURT IS A LOCAL LAY MINISTER

OF THE ASSEMBLY OF GOD.

HE IS A FORMER SERVICEMAN,

FORMER KU KLUX KLAN MEMBER.

HAD BEEN IN JACKSONVILLE IN THE MILITARY

WHERE HE JOINED THE KU KLUX KLAN.

HE BECAME A DOPE ADDICT AND AN ALCOHOLIC,

LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING ELSE

UNTIL HE FOUND JESUS.

WE WENT OUT THERE ON A MONDAY OR TUESDAY,

I'M NOT SURE WHAT DAY IT WAS NOW,

AND WERE PICKETING THE PLACE

WHEN SOMEBODY SAID THEY HEARD SOME SHOTS.

AND THEN THEY RAN AROUND BACK

AND COMING BACK AROUND FRONT SAID,

"DAVID'S LAYING ON THE GROUND AND HE'S PUMPING BLOOD."

AND DURING THAT TIME,

MICHAEL HAD COME BACK AROUND FRONT,

TURNED HIMSELF OVER TO A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER.

I THINK BURT NEEDS TO PRACTICE MORE PEACE.

HE DOESN'T NEED TO TEACH HATE,

AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING. I DON'T KNOW THAT...

HE SAYS HE'S PRACTICING OR TEACHING LOVE

AND CHRISTIAN AND ALL THIS, BUT HE IS...

HE'S JUST STIRRING UP HATE AND VIOLENCE.

I FEEL BURT IS... I... I HOLD HIM RESPONSIBLE

FOR DR. GUNN'S MURDER.

HE MAY NOT HAVE PULLED THAT TRIGGER,

BUT HE WAS JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR MICHAEL GRIFFIN

BECAUSE HE... LIKE HE SAID, HE GOT...

GOT A WEAK MIND. HE PUMPED HIM UP.

HE PUMPED HIM UP FOR IT. I REALLY DO.

BURT...

I THINK HE'S A...

A MAN OF CONTRADICTIONS IN MANY WAYS AND...

AND YET I DON'T THINK HE IS.

HE'S A PRETTY SIMPLE PERSON TO UNDERSTAND.

HE DOES NOT LIKE CHILDREN,

YET HE DEDICATES HIS EFFORTS TOWARD THEM.

I DON'T THINK HE REALLY LIKES WOMEN...

AND YET HE USES THEM TO...

TO MAKE A LIVING OFF THEM.

HE...

SUPPOSEDLY IS UNDERSTANDING,

BUT YET HE'S EXTREMELY CONTROLLING.

HIS OWN DAUGHTER HAS SAID SHE LIKED HIM BETTER

WHEN HE WAS A DRUNK AND AN ADDICT.

WE RUN A.... A MINISTRY

FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN IN CRISIS,

WHETHER IT BE UNWED MOTHERS,

BATTERED WIVES, HOMELESS PEOPLE,

ANY KIND OF CRISIS SITUATION A WOMAN COULD BE IN.

WE ASK FOR AT LEAST A SIX-MONTH COMMITMENT.

AFTER THAT TIME, IF THEY WANT TO TRY TO GO TO SCHOOL,

WE'LL TRY TO GET GRANTS FOR THEM

OR HELP THEM GO THROUGH VOC...

VOC-TECH SCHOOL OR FIND HOUSING.

AND THEY CAN STAY WITH US WHILE THEY GO TO SCHOOL IS THEY WANT.

WHEN YOU COME TO A PLACE LIKE THIS

WHERE THEY SHOW YOU THAT...

BUT THEY SHOW YOU THROUGH... IN THE BIBLE

WHERE IT SHOWS YOU THIS IS THE WAY IT WAS.

WHEN YOU SEE A LOT OF HOMOSEXUALS AND LESBIANS,

YOU SEE THAT GOD DOESN'T LIKE IT TO BEGIN WITH,

NO MATTER WHAT THEY TELL YOU.

LOOK WHAT HE DID IN SODOM AND GOMORRAH.

YOU KNOW, IF HE DID IT WAY BACK THEN,

WHAT'S HE GOING TO DO NOW?

SO IT CAN'T BE A PEACEFUL WORLD THAT WE'RE COMING TO.

IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE.

Burt: IF THIS WAS A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY,

DAVID GUNN WOULD BE GUILTY OF MURDER

AND HE WOULD STAND TRIAL BEFORE A JURY OF HIS PEERS

AND BE EXECUTED FOR KILLING THE CHILDREN.

Prosecutor: AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WANTED,

WAS FOR DR. GUNN TO BE KILLED.

NO, SIR. THAT'S WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WERE A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.

Prosecutor: I SEE.

AND YOU DON'T FEEL THAT WE'RE A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY?

NO, SIR. NOT WITH THE...

PEOPLE WE GOT IN OFFICE NOWADAYS.

THIS COULDN'T BE A CHRISTIAN COUNTRY.

Viewers:

Prosecutor: YOU BELIEVE THAT...

YOU THINK THAT HARMING ANOTHER PERSON IS OKAY

TO STOP ABORTION?

IF THAT'S WHAT GOD'S SPOKEN TO SOMEONE.

Prosecutor: IF THAT IS THE WORD

THAT GOD HAS SPOKEN TO SOMEONE.

YES, SIR.

Prosecutor: AND HAVE YOU EVER HELPED GOD

SPEAK TO ANYONE?

NO, I'M NOT GOD.

I'M JUST FLESH AND BLOOD.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

I... I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH LONGER, AS CHRISTIANS,

WE CAN EVEN PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG

BECAUSE THAT FLAG JUST FLIES OVER PLACES

LIKE THE PRISONS WHERE OUR PATRIOTS ARE LOCKED UP,

AND OVER THE ABORTION CLINICS WHERE OUR BABIES ARE KILLED.

POLITICS AND RELIGION IN THE UNITED STATES

DON'T MIX AT ALL ANYMORE.

THEY TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN PRAY,

WHEN YOU CAN PRAY, WHERE YOU CAN PRAY.

IT'S JUST A... IT'S JUST A SORRY SITUATION

IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

I REMEMBER GIVING MY...

AND THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO...

I SENT TWO VIDEOS, TWO BOOKS, COULD HAVE BEEN MORE...

Burt: THE PROSECUTION TRIED TO SAY

WE BRAINWASHED MICHAEL.

THEY SAID THAT WE ENCOURAGED HIM TO DO THE SHOOTING,

BUT I BELIEVE IF YOU'RE PRO-LIFE,

YOU'RE FOR ALL LIFE, WHETHER IT'S BORN OR UNBORN.

WE SHOWED MICHAEL GRIFFIN AND HIS FAMILY

TWO TAPES WHEN THEY WERE OVER HERE.

ONE WAS CALLED "THE HARD TRUTH"

AND ONE WAS CALLED "WHO WILL CRY FOR ME?"

THEY WERE VERY GRAPHIC ABORTION TAPES...

THAT HAVE BEEN SHOWN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY

TO THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAD AN EFFECT ON HIM,

BUT I KNOW IT HADN'T HAD AN EFFECT ON MANY OTHER PEOPLE,

NOT TO THE EXTREME IT DID ON HIM

WHERE THEY WANT TO GO OUT AND KILL SOMEBODY.

SOME MIGHT ASK WHY A VIDEO OF THIS SORT

SHOULD EVEN BE NECESSARY.

THE ANSWER CAN BE FOUND IN THE GRUESOME FILMS

USED TO TEACH ABOUT THE NAZI HOLOCAUST AGAINST THE JEWS.

TEACHERS DON'T SHOW BLOODY WORLD WAR II FOOTAGE

TO MANIPULATE STUDENTS EMOTIONALLY,

THEY USE IT BECAUSE THE NAZI DEATH CAMPS

REPRESENTED AN EVIL SO INEXPRESSIBLE

THAT LECTURES ALONE

COULD NEVER ADEQUATELY DESCRIBE IT.

THE ABORTION HOLOCAUST IS NO DIFFERENT.

EVERYONE INSTINCTIVELY KNOWS THAT ABORTION IS EVIL,

BUT MANY MISTAKENLY BELIEVE

IT'S OFTEN THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS.

UNTIL YOU'VE SEEN THE PICTURES WE'RE ABOUT TO SHOW YOU,

YOU CAN'T BEGIN TO KNOW HOW EVIL IT ACTUALLY IS.

♪ A CURSE ON HIM

♪ WHO WOULD DENY

♪ GOD'S IMAGE IN MANKIND

♪ TORN FROM OUT THEIR MOTHER'S WOMB ♪

♪ DENIED THE SKY, DENIED A TOMB ♪

♪ CONCEIVED IN LUST TO THEIR OWN RUIN ♪

♪ A SACRIFICE TO PLEASURE

♪ A CURSE, A CURSE THEIR BLOOD CRIES OUT ♪

♪ A CURSE, A CURSE THE HEAVENS SHOUT ♪

♪ A CURSE ON HIM WHO DARES TO FLOUT ♪

♪ GOD'S IMAGE...

Prosecutor: AND YOU USE THOSE

TO HELP CONVERT PEOPLE TO YOUR POSITION.

TO SHOW THEM THE TRUTH

OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CLINIC

AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL REALIZE

THAT THEY'RE KILLING CHILDREN IN THERE, YES.

Prosecutor: IN RESPONSE TO A QUESTION

ABOUT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY,

YOUR INVOLVEMENT IN THIS SHOOTING INCIDENT OF DAVID GUNN,

IF YOU MADE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT:

"IF I AM A GENERAL WITH TROOPS UNDER ME

AND I GIVE THEM A GAME PLAN AND SEND THEM OUT,

I CAN'T BE RESPONSIBLE

FOR EVERY SOLDIER IN THAT ARMY."

DID YOU SAY THAT? YES, SIR.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THE ANTI-ABORTIONISTS ARE STRONGLY FUNDAMENTALISTS,

ALMOST UNIVERSALLY,

AND WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CATHOLICS,

MORMONS OR PROTESTANTS, THEY'RE... THEY'RE KIND...

ONE KIND OF FUNDAMENTALIST OR THE OTHER.

THOSE WHO FAVOR CHOICE TEND TO BE NON-RELIGIOUS.

AND A WHOLE LOT OF THEM,

THE ACTIVISTS, THE ESCORTS AT CLINICS AND SO FORTH,

ARE PAGANS, OVERTLY PAGAN.

AND SO, WE... WE HAVE A RELIGIOUS WAR,

IN A SENSE, GOING ON HERE.

HOPEFULLY, MICHAEL GRIFFIN WILL GET...

THE JURY WILL GIVE HIM A MEDAL, I HOPE.

Reiter: I WAS JUST TALKING WITH...

WITH ANDREW CABOT AGAIN

AND WITH... THE WOMAN DOWN THERE,

WHAT'S HER NAME? SLIPPED MY MIND...

BRAY, DONNA BRAY. AND SHE'S SAYING...

SHE'S SAYING, "COME DOWN AND VISIT ME ANY TIME

AND I'LL SHOW YOU AROUND." AND SO THEY'VE GIVEN ME

A LOT OF HOSPITALITY, WHICH IS NICE.

Man: WOULD YOU MIND IF HE JOINS US?

NOT AT ALL. THAT'D BE FINE.

Reiter: I NOTICE YOU'RE NOT ON THIS LIST.

I THINK THEY SHOULD EXECUTE BLASPHEMERS.

Reiter: YOU THINK THEY SHOULD EXECUTE...?

BLASPHEMERS, YES.

YES. THE BIBLE TEACHES THAT.

Reiter: NOW, TO BLASPHEME IS TO...

FOR INSTANCE, IF YOU SAY...

IF A PERSON WERE TO SAY, "GODDAMMIT",

IS THAT BLASPHEMY?

PAUL, IS TAKING... IS... IS...

USING THE LORD'S NAME IN VAIN, THAT'S NOT BLASPHEMY.

Reiter: IF YOU SAY, "GODDAMMIT",

IF SOMEONE SAYS THAT, ARE THEY BLASPHEMING?

IT MIGHT BE, YES. UH, YES, YES.

Reiter: AND THAT PERSON SHOULD BE EXECUTED?

Cabot: I THINK SO, YES.

Reiter: OKAY, SO YOU GO OUT

TO THE BALL PARK WITH YOUR KIDS OR SOMETHING

AND SOME BASEBALL PLAYERS ARE OUT THERE

AND THEY SAY, "GODDAMMIT", WOULD YOU...?

WELL, NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT MEMBERS, YOU KNOW...

WELL, YES, YES.

ANYBODY WHO BLASPHEMES OUR GOD SHOULD BE EXECUTED.

BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

THEY WANT TO HEAD TOWARDS A SHOOTING WAR,

LIKE A JIHAD, A HOLY WAR.

SOME OF THE PLAYERS INVOLVED, PAUL HILL, ANDREW CABOT,

HAVE SAID THAT THEY THINK THAT...

IT IS JUSTIFIABLE

TO KILL ABORTIONISTS AND OTHERS

SHOULD THEY NOT REPENT FROM THEIR SINS.

NOW, THE SINS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THERE,

THEY MENTIONED SODOMITES, WHICH IS THE...

THE FUNDAMENTALIST TERM FOR HOMOSEXUALS.

THEY SHOULD BE KILLED, THEY'RE WORTHY OF EXECUTION.

AND PEOPLE WHO BLASPHEME ARE WORTHY OF EXECUTION,

SUCH AS SOMEBODY WHO SAYS "GODDAMMIT".

BOOM. THEY SHOULD BE EXECUTED.

I ASKED THEM THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY.

Reiter: I'M TAKEN ABACK A LITTLE BIT, I GUESS, HERE.

DO YOU WANT TO KNOW OTHER SINS THAT WE...

WE'D EXECUTE PEOPLE FOR?

Reiter: YES, YES.

THERE'S SOD... SODOMY.

Reiter: AND DEFINE SODOMY FOR THE...

THOSE ARE THE SODOMITES OVER THERE.

THAT'S THE DEFINITION.

Reiter: WHAT... WHAT DO YOU MEAN?

BECAUSE THEY'RE IN FAVOR OF ABORTION?

Cabot: NO, THEY'RE SODOMITES.

MOST OF YOUR RABID FEMINISTS ARE SODOMITES.

MOST OF THEM. MOST OF THE RABID FEMI-NAZIS

ARE LESBIANS AND... AND PRO-ABORTS.

I MEAN, THEY'RE PRO-ABORT TOO.

Reiter: SO A SODOMITE IS SOMEONE

WHO HAS SEX WITH A PERSON OF THEIR SAME GENDER?

YES. AND THEY DESERVE WHAT?

EXECUTION.

SO THE WHOLE DAY YESTERDAY WAS KIND OF SURREAL FOR ME

BECAUSE WHEN I HAD TALKED TO PAUL HILL FIRST...

AND... AND HE'S VERY SMOOTH ON-CAMERA

AND IN... IN INTERVIEWS...

BUT WHEN HE'S AROUND SOMEBODY LIKE ANDREW CABOT,

THEN YOU SEE THE OTHER SIDE OF HIM,

THE... THE MORE OMINOUS SIDE.

THEN HE ADMITS THAT, YES,

HE WOULD KILL SOMEBODY FOR SAYING "GODDAMMIT".

AND WHEN I WALKED AWAY FROM THEM,

I WAS ACTUALLY SHAKING A LITTLE BIT.

I MEAN, I'VE BEEN A REPORTER FOR A LONG TIME

AND I'VE HEARD A LOT OF CRAZY THINGS,

BUT THERE WAS JUST SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

I... I COULD SENSE INSIDE MYSELF

THAT SOMETHING REALLY EVIL WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

AND, I MEAN, HOW DID IT COME ABOUT

THAT YOU SIGNED A STATEMENT IN...

IN BEHALF OF MICHAEL GRIFFIN?

WELL, DEFENSIVE ACTION IS A PRO-LIFE ORGANIZATION

DECLARING THE JUSTICE OF TAKING ALL GODLY ACTION NECESSARY

TO DEFEND INNOCENT HUMAN LIFE, INCLUDING THE USE OF FORCE.

WE'RE DECLARING THAT WHATEVER FORCE IS JUSTIFIED

IN THE DEFENSE OF THE LIFE OF A BORN CHILD

IS ALSO JUSTIFIED IN DEFENSE OF THE LIFE OF AN UNBORN CHILD.

AND FIVE DAYS AFTER THE SHOOTING OF DR. GUNN,

I APPEARED ON THE "DONAHUE" SHOW WITH DR. DAVID GUNN'S SON

AND I SAID THAT, WHILE I DID NOT THINK

THAT WHAT MICHAEL GRIFFIN DID WAS NECESSARILY WISE...

I SUSPENDED JUDGMENT AS TO WHETHER IT WAS WISE OR NOT...

I SAID I THOUGHT IT WAS, IN FACT, JUST.

Man: WE, THE JURY, FIND AS FOLLOWS

AS TO THE CHARGE CONTAINED IN THE INDICTMENT...

GUILTY OF FIRST-DEGREE MURDER AS CHARGED IN THE INDICTMENT.

SO SAY WE ALL THIS 5th DAY OF MARCH, 1994.

THE BLOOD OF THE CHILDREN ARE ON THE JURY'S HANDS NOW.

AND WHEN THEY FACE GOD ON JUDGMENT DAY,

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACCOUNT

FOR WHAT HAPPENED HERE TODAY.

AND IT WON'T BE PRETTY.

ARE YOU SURPRISED AT THE VERDICT?

NO, HE WAS GUILTY.

THERE WASN'T ANY QUESTION ABOUT THAT.

I MEAN, THEY HAD FOUR PEOPLE THAT HEARD CONFESSION SO...

HE'S GUILTY.

SO YOU'LL BE BACK OUT ON NINTH AVENUE BEFORE LONG?

Burt: YES SIR, NEXT FRIDAY.

AND I... I WOULD GUESS, IN SIX MONTHS

WE'LL PROBABLY BE BACK UP TO THE 50 OR 60 PEOPLE

THAT WE HAD EVERY DAY AT THE CLINIC AGAIN.

SO ONCE WE GET OUT... ONCE WE GET OUT

FROM UNDER THE SHADOW OF THE MICHAEL GRIFFIN CASE,

DR. GUNN'S DEATH, WE CAN GO ON BUSINESS AS USUAL.

THE... THE GUILTY VERDICT ON MICHAEL GRIFFIN WAS A TRAVESTY

'CAUSE MICHAEL IS ACTUALLY A HERO.

HE LAID DOWN HIS LIFE

OUT OF LOVE FOR HIS UNBORN NEIGHBORS.

BUT HE HAS RAISED A QUESTION...

AND THE QUESTION WILL NOT BE PUT BACK IN THE BOX...

AS TO WHETHER IT IS JUST

TO DEFEND NOT ONLY BORN CHILDREN

BUT ALSO UNBORN CHILDREN, WITH FORCE.

AND IT'S CLEARLY JUSTIFIED TO DO AS HE HAS DONE.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, NOT ONLY JUSTIFIED,

BUT CHRIST HIMSELF HAS SAID

THAT WE SHOULD DO UNTO OTHERS

AS WE WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO US.

Reporter: SO CAN WE EXPECT TO SEE YOU

ON TRIAL FOR MURDER IN THE NEAR FUTURE?

Reiter: I... I DON'T THINK WE'VE SEEN

THE LAST TYPE OF VIOLENCE

SUCH AS WHAT MICHAEL GRIFFIN DID WITH DR. GUNN.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO ESCALATE FROM HERE ON OUT.

THEY'RE VERY SMALL IN NUMBER RIGHT NOW,

BUT THEY WANT TO GROW

AND THEY NEED TO DO SOME OUTRAGEOUS THINGS

TO GET THE KIND OF MEDIA ATTENTION

AND TO SORT OF INSPIRE PEOPLE

WHO WANT TO COME AND BE MARTYRS FOR THE CAUSE.

IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE

BECAUSE NO ONE'S WILLING TO TAKE ACTION.

I MEAN, NO...

THEY DIDN'T TAKE SIGNIFICANT ACTION

AFTER MY FATHER'S MURDER

AND THAT CREATED A CLIMATE WHERE THEY KIND OF SAID,

"GO AHEAD AND DO IT AGAIN."

BECAUSE ALL THE HEADS OF THE ORGANIZATIONS

DIDN'T CONDEMN THE ACTIONS OF MICHAEL GRIFFIN.

THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, "WE'RE SORRY, BUT..."

AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING OUT.

AND IT MEANS A LOT TO ME TO SEE EVERYBODY HERE.

I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR... FOR BEING HERE,

FOR CONTINUING TO... TO DO WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY

UNDER... UNDER THE PRESSURE, UNDER THE...

THE HATE, UNDER THE... THE THREAT OF VIOLENCE

THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO FACE.

IT'S AMAZING TO ME, ESPECIALLY AFTER...

AFTER MY FATHER WAS MURDERED

AND AFTER DR. TILLEY WAS SHOT,

AND EVEN DR. PATTERSON WAS MURDERED IN MOBILE.

LIKE, I MEAN, I CAN'T...

BELIEVE THE CONVICTION THAT YOU ALL MUST HAVE.

AND EVEN... TODAY,

WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A MEMORIAL SERVICE,

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE OVER THERE IN THE CORNER.

WE HAVE TO SHOW THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN STAND THERE,

THEY CAN HOLD THEIR SIGNS,

THEY CAN SPEAK THEIR WORDS...

AND FOR EVERY LAW THEY BREAK,

WE CAN PASS A LAW THAT WILL BREAK THEM.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I HOPE THAT THIS NEXT YEAR PROVES TO BE A LOT BETTER

THAN THE ONE THAT WE'VE JUST GOT FINISHED WITH.

BUT IF YOU PERSIST IN KILLING BORN OR UNBORN CHILDREN,

THE WRATH OF GOD ABIDES ON YOU.

THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH, THE LAKE OF FIRE.

Man: OH NO!

NOT THE LAKE OF FIRE!

MURDERERS SHOULD BE EXECUTED.

ABORTIONISTS ARE MURDERERS,

THEREFORE, ABORTIONISTS SHOULD BE EXECUTED.

THE RADICALS AND ZEALOTS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY

SUDDENLY CHANGED THE PATTERN

THAT THEY HAD USED IN THE PAST.

WE WENT FROM HAVING

VOLUNTEER ANTI-ABORTION PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT AGAINST US,

AND IN MARCH OF 1989 THAT CHANGED.

SUDDENLY THERE WAS A CADRE OF HIGHLY-PAID LEADERS.

THERE WAS A CADRE OF PART-TIME PEOPLE

WHO ACT AS THE SIGN-CARRIERS AND THE...

WHAT THEY CALL "SIDEWALK COUNSELORS", THEY'RE...

THEY'RE FAR FROM COUNSELORS.

THERE IS A NATIONAL TECHNIQUE

THAT THE ANTI-ABORTION EXTREMISTS

HAVE USED AROUND THE COUNTRY

IN WHICH THEY BUY THE PROPERTY,

THE CLOSEST POSSIBLE TO THE CLINIC.

IN FACT, THIS HOUSEHOLD AND THE PEOPLE AROUND IT

HAVE MORE PAID PEOPLE WORKING AGAINST US

THAN MY STAFF INSIDE THIS CLINIC.

THERE ALSO IS A VOYEURISTIC COMPONENT

ABOUT THESE PEOPLE WATCHING ACROSS THE STREET.

MANY OF THEM ARE THE TERRIBLE PROFILE

THAT POLICE TELL YOU ABOUT:

THE SINGLE, UNMARRIED MAN

WITH NO FAMILIAL ATTACHMENTS OF ANY KIND.

I BELIEVE THAT THOSE MEN

GET THEIR SEXUAL FEELINGS FROM THE VOYEURISM.

THE CLOSEST THOSE MEN COME TO HAVING SEX

IS BY PREYING ON WOMEN WHOM THEY KNOW HAVE HAD SEX,

AND THEY GET A LIBIDINOUS THRILL FROM IT.

RELIGIOUS PEOPLE SHOULD BE ACTIVE IN GREAT NUMBERS

TO PICKET AND SIDEWALK-COUNSEL THESE WOMEN

TO DISCOURAGE THEM FROM THE CRIME OF MURDER.

WITH PROPER CIVIL LAW, THESE WOMEN,

ONCE THEY HAVE PROCURED AN ABORTION,

SHOULD BE TRIED AND CONVICTED

OF FIRST OR SECOND-DEGREE MURDER OR MANSLAUGHTER,

AS THE PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE CASE WARRANTS.

IN SOME CASES, IT SHOULD BE THE PERSON

WHO FORCED A WOMAN OR A GIRL INTO HAVING AN ABORTION

WHO SHOULD BE TRIED AND CONVICTED.

THIS PROBLEM OF THE OVER 80% OF AMERICAN WOMEN

ARE GUILTY OF MURDER.

MOST OF THESE REMAIN UNREPENTANT.

THEY ARE IN A STATE OF DENIAL REGARDING THEIR GUILT

AND HAVE NOT ASKED FOR GOD'S FORGIVENESS.

IT IS THESE WOMEN AND THEIR MALE ACCOMPLICES

WHO MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT

FOR CLERGYMEN WHO DO SPEAK AGAINST THESE EVILS.

SHORT OF GOD'S DIRECT INTERVENTION,

JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE,

A LEGAL DEFENSE IN EVERY STATE OF THE UNION

AND RECENTLY ACKNOWLEDGED BY ANN LANDERS,

MAY BE THE ONLY WAY TO DISCOURAGE

THE PRACTICE OF ABORTION IN THE FUTURE.

I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE ON THE VERGE

OF GOING OUT INTO THE UNIVERSE,

AND I BELIEVE THAT...

WE WILL HAVE A HOLY PEOPLE AT THAT TIME.

SO WITHIN THE NEXT 20 TO 50 YEARS...

WE WOULD HAVE A COMPLETE REVERSAL

OF WHAT WE HAVE TODAY,

HAVE A VERY HIGHLY RELIGIOUS PEOPLE,

AND IT WOULD BE THESE PEOPLE WHO WOULD GO OUT

AND POPULATE THE UNIVERSE.

OR, AS THE CASE MAY BE,

IF THERE'S ALREADY POPULATIONS OUT THERE,

WOULD INSTRUCT THEM IN PROPER FAITH.

JOHN BURT OWNED A LITTLE BIT OF THAT LAND

ON TWO SIDES OF THE LADIES CENTER

WHICH HE USED FOR... PLATFORMS OVER THE FENCE

TO HOLLER AT PEOPLE AS THEY WENT IN AND OUT OF THE CLINIC.

AND PAUL HILL CAME TO PENSACOLA.

HE BEGAN PICKETING, JOINING IN THE ACTIVITIES

AT THE LADIES CENTER, IN PARTICULAR.

HE WAS REGARDED WITH SUSPICION BY BURT

AND THE CONROYS AND THE OTHER LEADERS AT THOSE PICKETING EVENTS.

PUBLICLY, THEY DISAVOWED HIM;

AT THE SAME TIME THEY COOPERATED WITH HIM AND HE WITH THEM.

HE STOOD ON BURT'S PLATFORM SCREAMING AT WOMEN

AND NO ONE COULD GET ON THAT PLATFORM

WITHOUT BURT'S PERMISSION.

SO, OBVIOUSLY, THEY WERE WORKING TOGETHER.

Reporter: DR. BRITTON TOLD ME

HE WEARS HIS BULLET-PROOF VEST

TO REASSURE HIS FAMILY AND STAFF,

AND AS A NORMAL SAFETY MEASURE.

WELL, I HAVE THE SAME CONCERN LEST THERE...

SOMETHING MIGHT GO WRONG,

SO I TRY TO KEEP MY EYES OPEN

AND LOOK AROUND.

BUT I... I'M NOT ANY...

REALLY, ANY MORE AFRAID THAN I WOULD BE

IN ANY OTHER SITUATION

WHERE ONE HAS TO USE PRECAUTIONS.

Reporter: PROTESTERS WHO CONGREGATE

OUTSIDE THE CLINICS WHERE HE PRACTICES

HAVE FOLLOWED HIM,

RUN CHECKS ON HIS LICENSE PLATE,

AND PRODUCE WHAT THEY DESCRIBE AS "UNWANTED" POSTERS ABOUT HIM,

BUT HE IS NOT INTIMIDATED.

IT'S JUST THAT HERE'S A JOB THAT

IF I DON'T DO IT, IT PROBABLY WON'T GET DONE.

AND SO I DO IT.

ABORTIONISTS ARE MURDERERS!

MURDERERS SHOULD BE EXECUTED!

AND THEN WHEN I DID GET THE WORD

THAT IT WAS THE DOC...

I COLLAPSED.

I JUST COULD NOT BELIEVE...

I MEAN, I REMEMBER... I'D NEVER LOST CONSCIOUSNESS,

BUT I REMEMBER HITTING THE DIRT,

'CAUSE I COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT,

"MY GOD, THIS HAS HAPPENED AGAIN."

I'M ANGRY BECAUSE PAUL HILL STOOD OUT FRONT

FOR THE LAST, WHAT, 17 MONTHS

WITH A SIGN THAT SAYS "BY GOD."

YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T SAY, "I'M GOING TO DO IT,"

BUT HE SURE ADVOCATED IT...

AND THAT IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN.

Reporter: WHY DID YOU DO IT?

NOW IS THE TIME TO DEFEND THE UNBORN

IN THE SAME WAY YOU DEFEND SLAVES ABOUT TO BE MURDERED.

ONE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PAUL HILL AND MICHAEL

IS THAT MICHAEL WAS JUST KIND OF A FRUITCAKE.

NOW, PAUL HILL REALLY SINCERELY BELIEVED WHAT HE DID WAS RIGHT

AND HE WOULD GIVE YOU SCRIPTURE TO BACK THAT UP,

WHICH I DON'T THINK HE CAN, BUT HE THINKS HE CAN.

SO I LIKE PAUL. PAUL'S A LIKEABLE GUY.

I CONSIDER PAUL A FRIEND.

THE COURT FINDS, AS DID THE JURY,

THAT THE AGGRAVATING CIRCUMSTANCES PRESENTED IN THIS CASE

OUTWEIGH THE MITIGATING CIRCUMSTANCES PRESENTED.

ACCORDINGLY, IT IS ORDERED AND JUDGED

THAT DEFENDANT PAUL JENNINGS HILL

IS HEREBY SENTENCED IN COUNT ONE, TO DEATH,

FOR THE MURDER OF DR. JOHN BAYARD BRITTON.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED THAT THE DEFENDANT, PAUL JENNINGS HILL,

IS HEREBY SENTENCED IN COUNT TWO, TO DEATH,

FOR THE MURDER OF JAMES HERMAN BARRETT.

THE DEFENDANT IS HEREBY COMMITTED TO THE CUSTODY

OF THE DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA

FOR EXECUTION OF THIS SENTENCE AS PROVIDED BY LAW.

MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL.

Woman: YOUR HONOR,

THE WORD OF THE LORD SAYS, "TEST NOT..."

Judge: ORDER IN THE COURT.

Woman: "...CHARGED TO MY..."

THIS MAN IS INNOCENT

AND HIS BLOOD WILL BE ON YOUR HANDS

AND THE HANDS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA

AND ON THE JURY.

Man: SHE'S RIGHT.

Woman: THAT'S RIGHT, YOUR HONOR.

AND WE SUPPORT PAUL.

WE THINK IN THE FUTURE

THERE WILL BE MUCH MORE OF THESE ACTIONS.

WE THINK THAT MAYBE TRUCK BOMBINGS OF ABORTION CONVENTIONS,

SURFACE-TO-SURFACE MISSILES MAY BE USED.

ABORTION MUST BE BANNED NOW

OR THIS FORCE WILL SPIN OUT OF CONTROL.

ABSOLUTELY.

Reporter: DO YOU THINK SOMETHING ELSE

IS GOING TO HAPPEN AS A RESULT OF THIS?

IN TIME. I CAN'T ANSWER

JUST EXACTLY HOW SOON, BUT IN... IN TIME.

IT WILL MOTIVATE PEOPLE,

PARTICULARLY WHEN PAUL HAS ACTUALLY BEEN EXECUTED,

IT WILL MOTIVATE PEOPLE TO BECOME VERY ACTIVE.

Reporter: TO DO WHAT?

TO... TAKE ACTION,

VIOLENT ACTION IF NECESSARY,

AGAINST ABORTIONISTS, THEIR STAFFS,

FACILITIES THAT PERFORM ABORTIONS.

THE OTHER DAY I WAS PASSING...

I HAD BEEN SOMEWHERE

AND PASSED A FAMILY PLANNING CLINIC

WHERE PEOPLE WERE SO VEHEMENTLY PROTESTING

WITH THOSE AWFUL PICTURES OF FETUSES AND SO ON;

AND I GOT TO THINKING, "WHAT IN THE WORLD...?"

IF I THINK OF THIS AS A PROJECTION, YOU KNOW,

IF PEOPLE ARE VERY MOVED, I...

I THINK WE THINK OF,

FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF THE PSYCHE OF WHAT MOVES PEOPLE,

AND THAT OFTEN WHAT PEOPLE GET SO UP IN ARMS ABOUT

IS SOMETHING OF THEIR OWN INTERNAL LIFE

THAT'S PROJECTED OUT ON THE WORLD.

SO I THOUGHT, WELL, WHAT COULD THIS BE

THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE SO FURIOUS

AT WOMEN WHO ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ABORTION?

WHAT... WHAT IS IT?

ARE THEY PROJECTING THEIR OWN KILLING A NEW LIFE,

WHAT NEW LIFE MIGHT THEY BE KILLING IN THEMSELVES

THAT THEY'RE PROJECTING ONTO THESE WOMEN?

AND THAT... THEN IT OCCURRED TO ME

I MIGHT THINK ABOUT THAT FURTHER,

WHICH I INTEND TO DO, BECAUSE I THINK DOGMA...

YOU KNOW, IF ONE SUBSCRIBES TO A DOGMA,

THERE'S A KIND OF KILLING OF ANY NEW LIFE.

WHEN CREATIVITY, NEW THINKING, NEW FEELING, CAN'T...

CAN'T GET BORN, IT GETS KILLED BY THE DOGMA.

AT AROUND 10:00 A.M.

ON DECEMBER 30th, A FRIDAY MORNING,

I WAS IN PRE-TERM IN THE STOCK ROOM

WHEN SUDDENLY I HEARD THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE:

POP, POP, POP, POP.

BEING AN NRA-CERTIFIED INSTRUCTOR,

I RECOGNIZED IMMEDIATELY

THAT THIS WAS SMALL CALIBER SEMI-AUTOMATIC FIRE,

EITHER FROM A PISTOL OR A RIFLE.

I DREW MY EAST GERMAN-MADE MAKAROV PISTOL

FROM MY LEFT-HAND SIDE HOLSTER

AND APPROACHED THE DOOR.

I PULLED THE DOOR OPEN WITH MY RIGHT HAND

AND ENTERED THE CRIME SCENE.

I SAW JANE SAUER LYING PRONE

AT THE BACK OF THE OFFICE NEAR A COFFEE MACHINE,

BUT SHE WAS STILL ALIVE,

SHE WAS STILL MOVING AND SQUIRMING.

OFF TO THE RIGHT I SPOTTED A SUSPECT, AN INTRUDER,

AND HE AND I BEGAN TO ENGAGE IN GUNFIRE.

I HAD A LIMITED CAPACITY, NINE SHOTS,

BUT APPARENTLY MY OPPONENT HAD

UP TO 50 OR MORE SHOTS IMMEDIATELY AVAILABLE

AND HAD HUNDREDS MORE AVAILABLE TO HIM IN A BLACK BAG.

WE FOUGHT FOR A SHORT PERIOD,

AND DURING THAT TIME I WAS WOUNDED THREE TIMES

BY THREE OR FOUR BULLETS.

DURING A GUN FIGHT,

YOU DON'T FEEL FEAR OR PAIN OR ANGER.

TIME SEEMED TO BE GREATLY EXPANDED

AS IF MOVING IN SLOW MOTION.

AND I WAS ABLE TO REMEMBER

EVERY DETAIL OF THE SUSPECT'S FACE

INCLUDING HIS BLAZING EYES,

HIS FURROWED BROW AND HIS TAUT MOUTH,

A SIGHT THAT I'LL NEVER FORGET.

ON THAT DAY, TO ME, HE LOOKED AS WHITE AS A GHOST.

AND I'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER THE SOUNDS OF THE GUNFIRE,

POP, POP, POP, POP,

AND THE CRIES FROM LEANNE NICHOLS,

"NO! NO! NO! NO!"

FOLLOWED BY SHRILL, HIGH-PITCHED SCREAMS.

AND I'LL ALWAYS REMEMBER THE OATH THAT HE CRIED OUT AT ME

AS HE WAS PEPPERING ME WITH GUNFIRE.

IN A BLASPHEMOUS WAY HE SAID,

"IN THE NAME OF THE MOTHER OF GOD."

THOSE WORDS I WILL NEVER FORGET.

Dr. Resnick: A FEW MONTHS AGO,

A MAN IN FLORIDA KILLED A DOCTOR WHO PERFORMED ABORTIONS.

DO YOU RECALL, REMEMBER HIS NAME?

NO. WHAT WAS THAT?

DO YOU REMEMBER READING ABOUT IT?

READING THAT HE SHOT A PHYSICIAN TO DEATH

AND HE WAS CHARGED AND CONVICTED OF MURDER?

UH...

DO YOU RECALL READING ABOUT?

HUH! UH... I'VE HEARD DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE PAPER

ABOUT DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS DOING STUFF LIKE THAT.

OKAY.

DO YOU SUPPORT THAT KIND OF CONDUCT OR NOT?

DO I SUPPORT IT? THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I...

I DON'T KNOW. DOES THE POPE SUPPORT IT?

IF THE POPE SUPPORTED IT, I SUPPORT IT.

HOW DOES THE POPE FEEL ABOUT IT?

I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

HAS... HAS THE POPE MADE A PROCLAMATION

ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON IT?

HAVE YOU ASKED HIM? I... I DON'T KNOW.

IF EVERY CATHOLIC WAS LIKE ME...

MM-HMM.

JUST LIKE ME...

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH WOULD HAVE ANYTHING IT WANTED.

BUT I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND

YOUR VIEWS ON ABORTION,

PERSONALLY AND AS A CATHOLIC.

I BELIEVE ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT THE POPE BELIEVES.

WHATEVER THE POPE BELIEVES, I BELIEVE.

ALL RIGHT. AND...

THE POPE DELEGATES HIS AUTHORITY TO THE...

CARDINALS, TO THE BISHOPS...

TO THE PRIESTS... BUT THE...

THE POPE HAS A SPECIFIC PAPAL ENCYCLICAL

...TO ME. ON ABORTION, RIGHT?

THE POPE HAS TAKEN A VERY FIXED POSITION...

YES, I BACK THE POPE UP. OKAY.

AND WHAT IS THAT POSITION? HE'S AGAINST IT.

ALL RIGHT, AND... COMPLETELY.

COMPLETELY? YEAH.

OKAY. AND DO YOU FEEL THE SAME WAY?

YES. ALL RIGHT.

HOW STRONGLY? I'M ALSO AGAINST

QUITE A FEW FORMS OF BIRTH CONTROL TOO.

OKAY. LET'S STAY WITH ABORTION,

JUST KEEP IT SIMPLE HERE.

HOW STRONG AN ADVOCATE ARE YOU FOR THE ANTI-ABORTION...?

AS STRONG AS THE POPE IS.

OKAY. AND HAVE YOU...

IF THE POPE SAYS, "JUMP,"

THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE SHOULD JUMP.

IF THE POPE SAYS, "SIT,"

THE CATHOLIC PEOPLE SHOULD SIT. OKAY.

THE ONES WHO DON'T SIT WHEN THE POPE SAYS SIT

AND THE ONES WHO DON'T JUMP WHEN THE POPE SAYS JUMP

ARE THE ONES THAT AREN'T SMART.

OKAY.

IN THE NAME OF JESUS...

Reporter: IN AN INTERVIEW JUST DAYS BEFORE

HE WAS DUE TO BE EXECUTED,

PAUL HILL SAID THAT HE WOULD HAVE DESERVED IMPRISONMENT

HAD HE BEEN AN ABORTIONIST,

BUT THAT IT WAS OFFENSIVE TO HIM

THAT THE GOVERNMENT WANTED TO KILL HIM

FOR HAVING DONE A GOOD DEED.

Reporter: AT JUST PAST 6:00 P.M.

ON SEPTEMBER 3rd, 2003,

OFFICERS OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA

PUSHED A NEEDLE CONTAINING A DEADLY COCKTAIL OF DRUGS

INTO THE ARM OF PAUL HILL.

Reporter: A DAY BEFORE HE DIED,

HILL HAD SAID: "TO BE QUITE HONEST,

IT SEEMED LIKE A WONDERFUL PRIVILEGE TO ME

TO DIE FOR HAVING DEFENDED INNOCENT PEOPLE."

♪ THE CROSS BEFORE ME

♪ THE WORLD BEHIND ME

♪ THE CROSS BEFORE ME

♪ THE WORLD BEHIND ME

♪ THE CROSS BEFORE ME

♪ THE WORLD BEHIND ME

♪ NO TURNING BACK...

Wilson: THE WHOLE CONFLICT

ON ABORTION IN THE UNITED STATES HAS ARISEN

BECAUSE OF THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT

JUMPING ON THIS ISSUE

AS SOMETHING TO USE TO CONVERT PEOPLE,

TO GAIN ADHERENCE TO THEIR PARTICULAR...

FUNDAMENTAL CHRISTIANITY BELIEFS,

AND ALSO TO RAISE MONEY,

NOT INCIDENTALLY, TO RAISE MONEY.

THEY USE PROPAGANDA AS WELL AS ANYBODY ELSE.

THEY KNOW THE TECHNIQUES.

THEY KNOW THAT YOU TAKE AN ISSUE

AND YOU PUSH IT INTO THE MARKETPLACE

AND PEOPLE RESPOND TO IT,

AND THEN IT BECOMES BIGGER,

AND THAT'S THE TECHNIQUE THAT THEY'RE USING.

BACK IN 1970,

AT A LITTLE PIZZA PARLOR DOWN ON GREENVILLE AVENUE,

NORMA McCORVEY MET SARAH WEDDINGTON AND LINDA COFFEE,

AND THERE WAS THE BEGINNINGS OF ROE VERSUS WADE.

IN AUSTIN, WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS THAT

THE LAW WAS THAT ABORTION WAS ILLEGAL

EXCEPT TO SAVE THE LIFE OF THE WOMAN.

NO ONE REALLY KNEW WHAT THAT MEANT,

AND SO DOCTORS SIMPLY WOULD NOT PERFORM PROCEDURES,

BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID THAT THEY WOULD BE PROSECUTED

AND CERTAINLY LOSE THEIR MEDICAL LICENSES.

THERE WAS A MAJOR CASE...

IT IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT CASE BEFORE ROE VERSUS WADE

IN OUR AMERICAN LEGAL HISTORY OF PRIVACY...

AND IT WAS A CASE THAT SAID THERE IS A RIGHT OF PRIVACY,

SUCH THAT INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DECIDE

WHETHER TO BEAR OR BEGAT A CHILD.

WE BEGAN BY FILING A CASE IN DALLAS.

I HAD ASKED ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN LAW SCHOOL WITH ME,

A WOMAN NAMED LINDA COFFEE, TO BE CO-COUNSEL.

WE HAD FOUND A MARRIED COUPLE IN DALLAS

WHO WERE WILLING TO BE PLAINTIFFS

AND WE HAD FOUND AN UNMARRIED PREGNANT WOMAN,

WHOM WE CALL JANE ROE.

I SIGNED AN AFFIDAVIT ON MARCH THE 7th OF 1970,

STATING THAT I WAS AN UNMARRIED PREGNANT WOMAN

AND THAT I HAD SOUGHT TO GET A LEGAL ABORTION

HERE IN THE STATE OF TEXAS, AND...

BUT BECAUSE OF THE TEXAS STATUTE ON ABORTION,

I COULD NOT DO SO.

THE COURT CASE MOVED TO WASHINGTON D.C.,

AND ON JANUARY 22nd, 1973,

ABORTION, THROUGH ALL NINE MONTHS,

WAS MADE LEGAL IN THIS NATION.

WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THEN

WAS THAT, AS WE WERE CELEBRATING,

THOSE WHO WERE OPPOSED TO ABORTION WERE THINKING

ABOUT HOW THEY COULD EVENTUALLY DEFEAT THAT VICTORY.

SOMEONE COME BY AND THEY BLEW OUT OUR FRONT WINDOWS.

THEY DROVE DOWN THE STREET,

THEY TURNED AROUND, THEY CAME BACK,

THEY BLEW OUT THE BACK WINDSHIELD OF MY CAR,

PLUS THE STORM DOOR.

I'VE BEEN HARASSED ON THE TELEPHONE.

I'VE BEEN HARASSED IN GROCERY STORES, DEPARTMENT STORES,

ANYWHERE WHERE YOU FIND THE GENERAL PUBLIC,

FOR MY STAND ON ABORTION.

I SPENT THE BETTER PART OF 14 YEARS IN THIS HOUSE,

LOCKED UP, AFRAID TO GO OUTSIDE.

ONE DAY I WAS WORKING AT THIS... THIS GAY BAR

AND I JUST FELT LIKE THERE WASN'T ANYTHING FOR ME TO LIVE FOR.

SO I GOT OFF WORK EARLY,

I WENT TO MY APARTMENT,

AND I WOULD SIT AND I JUST STARTED CUTTING, LIKE,

A QUARTER OF AN INCH OF MY WRISTS AT A TIME.

MISS NORMA HAD COME OUT WITH A BRAND NEW BOOK.

IT WAS... IT WAS IN 1994.

IT WAS CALLED "I AM ROE".

AND WE WENT DOWN

WHERE MISS NORMA WAS DOING A BOOKSELLING AND...

AND SHE WAS SIGNING HER BOOKS

IN A LITTLE CAFE ON McKINNEY AVENUE,

AND WE CONFRONTED HER THERE

WITH WHAT WE FELT LIKE THAT SHE HAD DONE.

AND I CAN REMEMBER SAYING, "NORMA McCORVEY,

YOU OUGHT TO BE ASHAMED

THAT YOU HAVE CAUSED AND BEEN THE CAUSE OF THE DEATH

OF OVER 35 MILLION LITTLE BABY BOYS AND GIRLS."

AND I KNEW WHEN I SAW THOSE WORDS POUR INTO HER HEART,

I KNEW THAT I HAD HURT HER

AND I KNEW THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD TO DO.

ONE THURSDAY MORNING, I WAS SITTING HERE

AND CONNIE CALLED ME FROM WORK AND...

'CAUSE WE WORKED AT THE SAME ABORTION CLINIC.

AND SHE SAYS, "YOU'LL NEVER GUESS

WHO'S MOVING IN NEXT DOOR."

AND I SAID, "WHO?" AND SHE SAYS, "GUESS."

SO I SAID, "OKAY, ROBERT REDFORD AND...

I DON'T KNOW, WOODY ALLEN."

SHE SAID, NO, THAT IT WAS OPERATION RESCUE.

OPERATION RESCUE IS A PRO-LIFE ORGANIZATION

THAT WANTS TO ABOLISH ROE VERSUS WADE

AND MAKE ABORTION ILLEGAL.

GOD PROVIDENTIALLY WORKED IT OUT

THAT WE MOVED RIGHT IN NEXT DOOR TO HER.

I WAS A CRYSTAL CARRIER.

I CARRIED CRYSTALS, I HAD MY PYRAMID,

I HAD MY LITTLE FERTILITY GODDESSES.

I HAD AMULETS THAT I WORE AROUND MY ANKLES AND MY WAIST.

AND FLIP TOLD ME THAT I DIDN'T NEED THOSE THINGS.

IF I...

IF I WOULD JUST BELIEVE IN JESUS

THAT ALL THINGS WOULD BE GOOD FOR ME.

AND WE WERE STILL PRETTY MUCH AT SWORDS WITH EACH OTHER,

EXCEPT FOR ONE THING,

AND THAT THING WAS THAT I HAD STARTED

GOING OVER TO THEIR OFFICE AND GOING INSIDE.

AND IT ALWAYS SEEMED SO PEACEFUL INSIDE.

I MEAN, IT ALWAYS SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE ALWAYS SO HAPPY

AND THEY WERE JUST... FRIENDLY.

AND NORMA BEGAN TO TRUST US.

SHE BEGAN TO LIKE COMING OVER TO THIS OFFICE

AND WE REALLY BEGAN TO ENJOY HAVING HER HERE.

AND SHE BECAME FAST FRIENDS

WITH TWO OF THE YOUNG GIRLS THAT ARE ALWAYS HERE,

EMILY AND... CHELSEA.

IF... IF YOU COULD JUST MEET EMILY, YOU WOULD...

YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. SHE HAS THIS...

THIS GENTLE CHARACTER ABOUT HER.

AND SHE'S VERY SMART.

SHE READS ABOUT 100 BOOKS A YEAR.

SHE LOVES HER PARENTS.

SHE... SHE LOVES JESUS CHRIST

AND SHE LOVES GOD.

SHE HAS THAT PURITY OF SOUL THAT...

THAT MAKES IT ALL WORTH LIVING.

SHE... I DON'T KNOW, SHE...

SHE'S JUST A LITTLE EVANGELIST.

WHAT CAN I SAY?

Benham: THIS IS THE BUSINESS

THAT OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST IS IN.

HE IS A FRIEND OF SINNERS.

AND HE SAVED AN OLD DRUNKEN SALOON KEEPER LIKE MYSELF

AND SET HIM ON A ROCK, GAVE ME A BRAND NEW LIFE,

AND NOW THE LIFE I LIVE IS NO LONGER LIVED FOR ME,

BUT FOR HIM. AND THE GIFTS THAT I HAVE

AREN'T MADE FOR ME TO HAVE A WONDERFUL MINISTRY

AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT ARE GIVEN TO ME

THAT I CAN POUR THEM OUT

THAT OTHERS MIGHT HAVE A FIRE BURNING IN THEIR HEART

FOR THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

AND NOW HE'S SAVED MISS NORMA.

AND MISS NORMA'S LIFE IS NOW...

SHE WAS BOUGHT WITH A PRICE, SHE'S NOT HER OWN.

IT ISN'T "MY RIGHTS, MY BODY, MY CHOICE".

IT'S NOT MY WILL, BUT "THY WILL BE DONE".

CONNIE AND I, WE'RE SITTING HERE ONE NIGHT

AND WE WERE DISCUSSING ABORTION.

CONNIE, WHEN SHE WORKED AT THE ABORTION CLINIC,

WORKED IN THE BACK IN PROCEDURE ROOM.

I'D BEEN THERE FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS BEFORE I LEFT

AND I WAS TELLING NORMA THAT...

THAT I WAS ASSISTING THE DOCTOR AND THAT THEY WERE REAL BABIES.

I SAID I COULD EVEN TELL THE SEX.

I SAID, ONE OF THEM FELL IN MY HAND

AND, I SAID, AND IT SCARED ME.

IT SCARED ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO TOUCH IT

BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT TO FEEL THAT FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

I THOUGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, I'VE NEVER GONE

AND I'VE NEVER LOOKED IN THE FREEZER, YOU KNOW.

THAT'S WHERE THEY KEPT ALL THE BABIES THAT THEY ABORTED.

UM...

SO I WENT AND GOT THE KEY

AND I UNLOCKED IT

AND... THEY WERE BABIES, MAN.

THEY WERE LITTLE HUMAN BABIES...

THAT HAD BEEN MUTILATED.

AND IT HURT ME. IT HURT MY HEART

TO THINK THAT...

I WAS THE ONE THAT WAS RESPONSIBLE

FOR ALL THE DEAD BABIES.

THEY SAID THAT IN ORDER FOR ME TO FIND GOD

OR TO ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST INTO MY HEART,

THAT I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH ANOTHER PROCESS

OF CHANGING MY OPINION ON ABORTION.

AND I LOOKED AT BOTH OF THEM

AND I TOLD THEM THAT THAT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED.

THERE'S REALLY NEVER A DAY THAT GOES BY

THAT WE DON'T THINK OF HOW WE CAN OVERTURN ROE VERSUS WADE.

Benham: I JUST BELIEVE

THAT WHAT BEGAN HERE IN DALLAS

AND BECAME ROE VS. WADE ULTIMATELY

IN WASHINGTON, D.C., ON JANUARY 22nd,

IS NOW BEING SUMMARILY DISMANTLED

AS WE'RE WATCHING PERSON AFTER PERSON MEETING THE LORD.

AS WE'RE WATCHING MOTHER AFTER MOTHER

CHOOSING LIFE RATHER THAN DEATH

FOR THEIR LITTLE BABY BOYS AND GIRLS.

AND ALL OF THIS IS DUE

TO THE POWER OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.

AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE BEST NEWS OF ALL

IS THAT FINALLY AMERICA IS TURNING BACK TO ALMIGHTY GOD.

AND WE'RE STOPPING HEWING OUT THE BROKEN CISTERNS

AND THE WELFARE SYSTEMS

THAT REALLY AREN'T GOING TO BRING ANY HEALING TO THIS LAND.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, NORMA McCORVEY.

I'M VERY HONORED TO BE HERE WITH MR. BUCHANAN

AND HIS WIFE AND JANE, AND JUST EVERYONE HERE.

I MEAN, I'M... I'M VERY STAR STRUCK.

UM...

I'M DOWN HERE IN CALIFORNIA, IN SAN DIEGO,

WITH OPERATION RESCUE NATIONAL, THAT'S WHERE I'M A MISSIONARY.

AND I'M A SERVANT OF CHRIST NOW.

I THINK THAT THE PRO-CHOICE COMMUNITY

IS OFTEN RELUCTANT TO ADMIT IT,

BUT THE FACT IS THAT THE...

THE VIOLENCE HAS BEEN EFFECTIVE

IN EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED TO BE EFFECTIVE.

MANY ABORTION PROVIDERS AND THEIR STAFF

HAVE DROPPED OUT OF BUSINESS BECAUSE OF THE THREATS,

THE INTIMIDATION, THE HARASSMENT,

THE ONGOING THREAT TO THEIR LIVES

AND THE LIVES OF THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR STAFF.

MANY DOCTORS HAVE DROPPED THE PROVISION OF ABORTION SERVICES

AS PART OF THEIR PRACTICE,

OR DROPPED OUT OF THE PRACTICE OF MEDICINE ALTOGETHER

BECAUSE OF THE MURDER OF THEIR COLLEAGUES.

WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR

WAS ONE OF THESE REALLY RADICAL,

I ASSUME, CHRISTIAN RIGHT GROUPS GOT...

BOUGHT A MAILING LIST

FROM THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION

UNDER THE GUISE OF BEING SOME OTHER KIND OF GROUP, I ASSUME.

AND THEY HAD THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES

OF EVERY SINGLE MEDICAL STUDENT IN THIS COUNTRY,

AND THEY SENT OUT A MAILING.

AND IT WAS A REALLY AMAZING...

I WISH I HAD IT. I...

IT WAS A WHOLE, LIKE, CARTOON BOOKLET

AND IT HAD ALL THESE CARTOONS,

ANTI-CHOICE AND ANTI-ABORTIONIST CARTOONS

AND JOKES THAT WERE REALLY UNBELIEVABLE.

I MEAN LIKE, JUST A LOT OF...

TALKING ABOUT KILLING PEOPLE

AND REALLY JUST VILE, REALLY RACIST...

THE WORST ONE WAS THE ONE,

"IF YOU WERE IN A ROOM WITH...

WITH HITLER..."

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO THE OTHER PERSON WAS.

LIKE, SOME OTHER PERSON LIKE HITLER AND AN ABORTIONIST,

"AND YOU HAD A GUN WITH ONLY TWO BULLETS, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?"

AND THE ANSWER WAS, "SHOOT THE ABORTIONIST TWICE."

AND THIS WAS BEING SENT TO MEDICAL STUDENTS.

THERE'S A... A VERY BIG PROBLEM

WITH ACCESS TO ABORTION.

THERE AREN'T A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DO ABORTIONS ANYMORE

AND THE... THE NUMBERS ARE DWINDLING,

AND ONE OF THE BIG REASONS IS BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T TRAINED.

ABORTIONS ARE AT THEIR LOWEST LEVEL AS THEY HAVE BEEN SINCE 1976.

THERE ARE 527 FEWER ABORTION MILLS TODAY THAN THERE WERE IN 1987.

ONLY 11% OF THE MEDICAL TRAINING FACILITIES

ARE TEACHING THE ABORTION PROCEDURE.

THAT'S DOWN FROM 56% IN 1986.

THERE ARE FEWER ABORTIONISTS

DOING AND PRACTICING THIS GRISLY TRADE.

AND THERE ARE NO YOUNG DOCTORS

THAT WANT TO PUT THEIR WHOLE MEDICAL CAREER ON HOLD FOR ABORTION.

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF WE'VE WON THE RIGHT TO LEGAL ABORTION.

IF THERE IS NO PHYSICIAN THAT WILL PROVIDE AN ABORTION,

WOMEN WILL BE BACK WHERE WE WERE IN THE '50s

WHERE THE NUMBER OF DEATHS FROM ILLEGALLY INDUCED ABORTIONS

WAS THE HIGHEST DEATH RATE.

IT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE MOST DEATHS

OF WOMEN IN THEIR REPRODUCTIVE AGE... AGES.

FROM THE AGES OF 15 TO 45.

THAT IS WHAT WOMEN DIED OF

MORE FREQUENTLY THAN HEART ATTACKS OR SMOKING

OR CAR ACCIDENTS OR DOMESTIC VIOLENCE,

THAT WAS THE PREDOMINANT CAUSE OF DEATH.

THERE IS NOTHING MORE DANGEROUS TO A DEMOCRACY

THAN WHEN PEOPLE TAKE THEIR RIGHTS, THEIR LIBERTIES,

THEIR FREEDOM OF RELIGION,

THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH, THEIR RIGHT TO CHOOSE,

WHATEVER FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT IT IS,

THEY TAKE IT FOR GRANTED.

AND THAT THEY DO NOT PARTICIPATE

IN THE DEMOCRACY IN PRESERVING THOSE LIBERTIES.

BECAUSE THERE WILL ALWAYS BE FORCES AT WORK

TO TRY TO TAKE THOSE LIBERTIES AWAY.

AND RIGHT NOW THERE IS A STRONG ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE,

RELIGIOUS, FUNDAMENTALIST MOVEMENT IN THIS COUNTRY

LED BY GROUPS, LIKE PAT ROBERTSON...

HIS GROUP, CHRISTIAN COALITION,

THAT ARE DIS... JUST DETERMINED

TO RETURN WOMEN TO THEIR BIBLICALLY ORDAINED ROLE,

AS THEY SEE IT, WHICH IS TO, BY AND LARGE, PROCREATE.

AND NOT TO BE EQUAL PARTNERS WITH MEN IN THE SOCIETY,

BUT BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF MEN.

WE MUST SPEND OUR TIME EDUCATING THE GRASSROOTS,

INSPIRING THEM TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES.

♪ WHERE YOU BEEN SO LONG?

♪ SINGING THE GOOD SONG

♪ HE BOUGHT A VAN WITH ALL HE HAD ♪

♪ AND SET ABOUT TO SPREAD THE WORD ♪

♪ WHEN JUST THE MENTION OF PREVENTION ♪

♪ WAS ILLEGAL TO BE HEARD

Man: FOR MORE YEARS THAN I CARE TO REMEMBER

I BECAME INVOLVED IN THE STRUGGLE FOR REPRODUCTIVE FREEDOM.

AND THAT DATES BACK TO 1963.

I WAS CLINICAL DIRECTOR FOR A DRUG COMPANY CALLED EMCO,

WHICH MAKES BIRTH CONTROL PRODUCTS.

AND WHILE AT A HOSPITAL IN NEW YORK CITY,

I HEARD A WOMAN SCREAM.

AND, LIKE ANYBODY ELSE, I RAN INTO THE HOSPITAL CORRIDOR

TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON.

AND I SAW A WOMAN COVERED WITH BLOOD FROM THE WAIST DOWN

AND SHE WAS STAGGERING.

AND OBVIOUSLY I RACED TO HELP HER,

AND AS I CAUGHT HER... SHE SLUMPED TO THE GROUND...

I NOTICED SHE HAD AN 8-INCH PIECE OF WIRE COAT HANGER

EMBEDDED IN HER UTERUS. AND THAT WOMAN DIED.

AND IT SO ANGERED ME THAT WE LIVED IN A NATION

THAT NOT ONLY DID THIS POOR WOMAN NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO AN ABORTION,

BUT MANY OF YOU VIEWERS HAVE NO IDEA

THAT SHE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO BIRTH CONTROL.

IN 1963, IN MOST PARTS OF THE UNITED STATES,

BIRTH CONTROL WAS A CRIME.

AND THIS WAS THE BOARD THAT SHOWED

VARIOUS BIRTH CONTROL AND ABORTION DEVICES.

WHEN ABORTIONS WERE ILLEGAL,

A WOMAN WOULD TAKE A DOUCHING BAG

AND FILL IT WITH LYSOL OR BLEACH OR TURPENTINE.

OR, INDEED, THEY WOULD USE A CATHETER

AND FILL IT WITH SALT WATER,

THINKING THAT A HYPERTONIC SOLUTION MIGHT ABORT THEM.

AND THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT

IF THEY WOULD SQUEEZE FROM THE TOP OF THIS SYRINGE,

IT WOULD FORCE AIR INTO A MAJOR BLOOD VESSEL

AND THE PERSON WOULD DIE OF AN AIR EMBOLISM.

OR WHEN THEY TOOK THE DOUCHING BAG AND THEY FILLED IT WITH SOAP,

THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE BODY COULD ABSORB THE FAT FROM THE SOAP,

AND THAT WOULD BE A FAT EMBOLISM.

BUT MORE OFTEN THAN NOT,

THAT PEOPLE WOULD VERY OFTEN TAKE A PIECE OF WIRE COAT HANGER,

WRAP THE END OF IT WITH ADHESIVE TAPE SO IT WASN'T SO SHARP,

AND THE IDEA WAS TO GENTLY PUSH IT INSIDE THE UTERUS

AND SCRATCH THE WALL OF THE UTERUS.

THE GOAL WAS NOT TO DO THE ABORTION,

AS MUCH OF THE PUBLIC THOUGHT.

THAT WASN'T THE GOAL OF POOR PEOPLE.

THEIR GOAL WAS TO INDUCE BLEEDING.

AND THEN IF THEY BLED, THEY COULD RUSH TO A HOSPITAL

AND THE HOSPITAL WOULD SAY, QUOTE,

"TO SAVE THE PATIENT'S LIFE... SHE CAME IN BLEEDING...

SHE HAD TO HAVE THE ABORTION DONE."

BUT HERE'S THE KICKER.

A LOT OF POOR PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW THE UTERUS IS THE SIZE OF MY FIST

AND MAYBE HALF AN INCH THICK.

SO IF THEY PUSHED THE WIRE COAT HANGER TOO HARD,

PUSHED IT THROUGH THE WALL OF THE UTERUS,

THE WOMAN WOULD HEMORRHAGE TO DEATH.

NOW, THIS IS A RATHER CONTROVERSIAL PICTURE,

BUT IT'S AN ACCURATE PICTURE.

IT'S A PICTURE OF A WOMAN WHO DIED, FOUND IN A MOTEL ROOM,

WHO USED A COAT HANGER OR PRIMITIVE TECHNIQUES

TO, IN EFFECT, WHAT SHE THOUGHT, WAS TO HAVE AN ABORTION.

♪ BLESSED WITH CHILD

♪ JUST A GIRL

♪ GOD HAS GIVEN ME

♪ ANOTHER CHANCE AT POVERTY ♪

♪ CAN'T FEED THE ONE I'VE GOT ♪

♪ SHE'S FEVERISH AND COUGHS A LOT ♪

♪ GOD, TAKE IT BACK

♪ PLEASE, GOD, TAKE IT BACK ♪

♪ GIRL WITH A BABY

♪ UNDER A TREE

♪ WATCH WHEN THE KNIFE CUTS ME ♪

♪ GIRL WITH A BABY

♪ UNDER A TREE

HOW MANY BABIES ARE THERE NOW THAT ARE UNLOVED?

THAT ARE NOT TAKEN CARE OF?

AND... AND WE DO HAVE ABORTION RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW.

AND THERE ARE STILL...

I MEAN, WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE CHILDREN?

ALL THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO AGAINST ABORTION,

IF THEY WANT TO TAKE ALL THOSE BABIES

AND BRING THEM UP AND... AND LOVE THEM AND...

YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL.

ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, IN A PERFECT WORLD,

THAT WOULD BE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL THING.

BUT, AS IT IS, IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

I MEAN, THESE FUNDAMENTALISTS ARE THE SAME PEOPLE

A LOT OF TIMES WHO ARE BIGOTS,

WHO WOULD NEVER HAVE A BLACK CHILD IN THEIR HOME.

RIGHT. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE,

"WHY AREN'T THEY ADOPTING ALL THE KIDS OUT OF THE ORPHANAGES?"

IT'S JUST TERRIBLE.

WELL... THESE PREGNANT WOMEN...

I MEAN, I SEE HOMELESS PREGNANT WOMEN ON THE STREET, YOU KNOW.

GO PICK ONE UP, TAKE HER HOME, TAKE CARE OF HER.

DELIVER THE BABY, KICK HER OUT. FINE.

UH... WHAT'S HIS NAME?

CLINTON? BILL CLINTON?

UH... HE...

HE SAYS THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE SEX

AND THAT SHE SHOULD HAVE A CONDOM.

WHO ARE THESE RESPONSIBLE PEOPLE IN OUR GOVERNMENT

TELLING THIS LITTLE CHILD

THAT THAT'S THE WAY SHE SHOULD GO THROUGH LIFE?

THEY'RE LAYING A HORRIBLE TRIP ON THIS LITTLE GIRL.

SHE'S ALREADY BORN.

THE UNBORN CHILDREN DON'T EVEN STAND A CHANCE.

THEY KILL THEM.

WHERE... WHERE HAS THE MENTALITY...

THEY'VE BEEN SEDUCED BY SATAN INTO THIS MENTALITY

OF KILLING OUR CHILDREN, FIRST OF ALL,

THEN KILLING OUR OLD PEOPLE,

AND THEN TELLING YOUNG SPARKLING HERE

OF HOW SHE'S SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH LIFE CHOOSING,

HAVING A VIABLE LIFESTYLE.

IN THE 6th GRADE IN CALIFORNIA THEY... THEY...

THEY HAVE "LIFT UP YOUR DRESS" WEEK WHERE...

AND A YOUNG CHILD IS SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALITY

AND... AND HETEROSEXUALITY IN THE 6th GRADE.

WHAT CHANCE DOES THIS LITTLE GIRL HAVE?

WE KNOW THAT

ONE IN TEN OF OUR CHILDREN

WILL BECOME PREGNANT EVERY YEAR.

ONE OUT OF TEN.

WE KNOW THAT MORE THAN FOUR OUT OF TEN OF OUR WHITE WOMEN

WILL HAVE A PREGNANCY BEFORE THE AGE OF 20;

6.7 OUT OF 10 OF OUR BLACK WOMEN

WILL HAVE A PREGNANCY BEFORE THE AGE OF 20.

AND YET, WE IN AMERICA HAVE STILL NOT ACCEPTED

THE FACT THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE SEXUALLY ACTIVE.

WE BURY OUR HEADS IN THE SAND.

IT'S NOT RIGHT.

THAT'S WHAT CLINTON IS DOING TO US IN OUR LIVING ROOMS.

THAT'S WHAT HILARY CLINTON, WITH HER...

HER DRESS UP TO HER HIPS, IS COMING IN THERE

TELLING OUR LITTLE CHILDREN WHAT THEY MUST AND MUST NOT DO.

AND... AND WHO IS THIS NEW WOMAN COMING IN HERE, ELDERS,

WHO TELL... WE'VE ALREADY TOLD OUR CHILDREN

WHAT TO DO IN THE FRONT SEAT OF A CAR,

HOW TO DRIVE A CAR IN DRIVER'S ED,

AND NOW WE'VE GOT TO TELL THEM HOW TO DO IT IN THE BACK SEAT.

YOU WONDER WHY WE CHRISTIAN FATHERS GET ANGRY?

YOU WONDER WHY WE GET UPSET?

BECAUSE YOU'RE TALKING TO LITTLE GIRLS

LIKE SPARKLING, THAT'S WHY.

WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE

THAT WE KEEP ABORTIONS SAFE AND LEGAL FOR WOMEN.

I WAS... I WAS IN MEDICAL SCHOOL AND RESIDENCY

DURING THE TIME WHEN I SAW MANY, MANY SEPTIC ABORTIONS.

AND IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST COMMON CAUSES OF DEATH

IN BLACK WOMEN.

SO WE VOWED TO NEVER, NEVER GO BACK TO THAT STATE.

Fr. Westlin: THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.

IT'S A SECULAR HUMANIST SOCIETY.

WE CHRISTIANS ARE NO LONGER THE MAJORITY IN THIS COUNTRY.

WE'RE THE MINORITY NOW.

PRESIDENT CLINTON HAS TO BE IMPEACHED.

HE HAS TO BE TAKEN OUT OF THIS GOVERNMENTAL POSITION

AND PUT BACK SOME PLACE WHERE HE CAN'T HARM PEOPLE ANYMORE.

SO HE WON'T KILL ANY MORE OF OUR BABIES.

AND THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THE ONE THAT HE'S AFTER ALSO.

HE KNOWS WHAT HIS BIGGEST PROBLEM IS.

IT'S THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.

AND WE'RE STARTING CATHOLIC TOWNS.

WE'VE ALREADY GOT ONE GOING IN NORTH CAROLINA,

AND THERE'S A MAN NAME OF MR. FRED WIESNER UP HERE IN DENVER

WHO'S GOING TO HELP US START ANOTHER CATHOLIC TOWN UP HERE IN COLORADO,

RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF GOVERNOR...

GOVERNOR LAMB'S SEX JUNGLE RIGHT UP HERE IN THE MOUNTAINS,

IN HIS SEX... SEX RANCHES.

WE'RE COMING RIGHT INTO THE MIDDLE OF SATAN'S TERRITORY

UP HERE IN COLORADO AND WE'RE GOING TO...

WE'RE GOING TO FORM A CATHOLIC TOWN HERE

THAT'S GOING TO RAISE OUR CHILDREN

ACCORDING TO THE ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE.

WE KNOW THAT THESE CHILDREN

THAT ARE BORN INTO THESE SITUATIONS

ARE BORN TO BE MEMBERS OF THE 5-H CLUB.

THE 5-H CLUB ARE CHILDREN THAT ARE HUNGRY EVERY NIGHT

IN THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

WE HAVE 3 TO 5 MILLION CHILDREN THAT GO TO BED HUNGRY.

TOO MANY OF THEM ARE HEALTH-LESS.

THEY RECEIVE NO HEALTH CARE.

WHEN OUR COUNTRY TODAY MORE THAN 40%...

IN FACT, ONLY 44% OF THE UNDER-TWO-YEAR-OLDS

ARE COMPLETELY IMMUNIZED.

SO WE SAY, "IF WE CAN'T IMMUNIZE OUR CHILDREN,

WHAT CAN WE DO?"

THESE ARE THE CHILDREN THAT WE LOVE SO DEARLY,

AS LONG AS THEY'RE IN SOMEBODY ELSE'S UTERUS.

THERE OUGHT TO BE... THERE ISN'T ALWAYS...

THERE OUGHT TO BE A CONSISTENCY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO-LIFE.

THERE WAS A MAN NAMED CARDINAL JOSEPH BERNARDIN OF CHICAGO.

HE'S NOW DEAD.

HE CAME UP WITH A PHRASE THAT I ALWAYS LIKED.

IT WAS CALLED THE "SEAMLESS GARMENT".

IF YOU'RE PRO-LIFE, HE SAID,

YOU OUGHT TO BE AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT,

YOU OUGHT TO BE AGAINST WAR,

YOU... OBVIOUSLY YOU OUGHT TO BE AGAINST STOCKING UP

AND MANUFACTURING WEAPONS OF WAR,

AND YOU OUGHT TO BE AGAINST THE KIND OF POLITICS

AND THE KIND OF ADMINISTRATION

THAT CREATES AND SUSTAINS AND INCREASES POVERTY.

'CAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE POOR,

THEIR LIVES ARE SEVERELY DIMINISHED.

I LIKE THAT THEORY.

NOT ALL PRO-LIFERS AGREE WITH THAT.

WELL, I THINK THE POINT IS THAT IF...

IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHETHER ABORTION

IS LEGAL OR NOT, IS LEGALLY AVAILABLE,

THEN IT'S CERTAINLY THE POOR WOMEN WHO ARE HARMED

BY THE FACT THAT ABORTION IS NOT LEGALLY AVAILABLE.

BECAUSE THE WEALTHY WOMEN CAN GENERALLY GET AN ABORTION

WHETHER IT'S LEGALLY AVAILABLE OR NOT.

THERE WILL BE SOMEONE WHO IS PROPERLY MEDICALLY QUALIFIED

WHO CAN DO IT.

AND IF NOT, OF COURSE, THEY CAN TRAVEL.

IT'S A GLOBAL WORLD, THEY CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I'M SAYING I DON'T THINK THAT THE DEATHS OF THE FETUSES

SHOULD BE REGARDED AS COMPARABLE

TO THE DEATHS OF OLDER HUMAN BEINGS.

UM, BUT THE GREAT TRAGEDY IS THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF WOMEN

WHO DIE FROM BOTCHED ABORTIONS

IN COUNTRIES WHERE ABORTION IS... IS ILLEGAL.

FOR EXAMPLE, IT IS REASONABLY WELL...

IN FACT, VERY WELL ESTABLISHED,

THAT AS WOMEN HAVE MORE OPPORTUNITIES, MORE EDUCATION,

AS BETTER MEDICAL CARE IS AVAILABLE,

AS MORE FAMILY PLANNING IS AVAILABLE,

FERTILITY RATES GO DOWN, ABORTION GOES DOWN...

CHILDREN ARE BETTER CARED FOR AND WOMEN ARE HEALTHIER.

THOSE THINGS ARE KNOWN.

AND THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT ARE...

THAT ARE EASILY UNDER SOCIAL CONTROL AND ARE...

SHOULD NOT BE CONTROVERSIAL.

I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANYTHING CONTROVERSIAL

ABOUT MAKING SURE THAT WOMEN CAN HAVE ACCESS

TO DECENT, SAY, OBSTETRIC CARE.

THAT ALONE WOULD SAVE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LIVES EVERY YEAR.

IF YOU WANT TO DO THINGS THAT'LL HELP PEOPLE,

THERE ARE VERY EASY WAYS TO DO IT.

AND IT'S NOT JUST TRUE OF WOMEN, IT'S ALSO TRUE OF CHILDREN.

UNICEF ALSO REPORTS THAT, IF MY MEMORY IS CORRECT,

THAT ABOUT 15 MILLION CHILDREN DIE EVERY YEAR FROM...

MOSTLY FROM EASILY TREATABLE DISEASES.

MEANING, SOMETIMES THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW,

LACK OF DRINKABLE WATER AND...

OR DEHYDRATION, YOU KNOW, AND DIARRHEA.

THINGS THAT CAN VERY EASILY BE TREATED.

AND COULD BE TREATED FOR, LITERALLY,

PENNIES A DAY FROM THE RICH COUNTRIES.

WELL, OKAY, IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT SAVING LIVES,

SAVING CHILDREN'S LIVES, THERE ARE EASY WAYS TO DO IT.

ON THE OTHER HAND, IF YOU LOOK AT THE SAME PEOPLE

WHO ARE MOST MILITANT ABOUT SAVING THE FETUS,

ARE THEY CALLING FOR INCREASING FOREIGN AID?

ARE THEY... ARE THEY CONCERNED WITH THE FACT THAT THE UNITED STATES

HAS THE MOST MISERABLE AND MISERLY FOREIGN AID PROGRAM

OF ANY DEVELOPED COUNTRY BY QUITE A LARGE MARGIN?

THE COUNTRY'S GOT PLENTY OF WEALTH, YOU KNOW,

THE MEANS ARE EASILY THERE, THEY'RE JUST BEING USED...

THE SOCIAL POLICY IS BEING DESIGNED

TO ENRICH THE WEALTHY EVEN FURTHER AND LET THE POOR SUFFER.

LET THE CHILDREN DIE, LET THEM STARVE,

LET THE MOTHERS DIE AND SO ON.

THAT'S AN OVERWHELMING PROBLEM.

ONCE PEOPLE ADDRESS...

AMONG PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS...

PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO ADDRESS THOSE PROBLEMS,

WE CAN AT LEAST TAKE SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT VALUES.

WHEN YOU CAN TAKE PEOPLE SERIOUSLY WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT VALUES,

YOU CAN LISTEN TO WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT OTHER THINGS

LIKE ABORTION, WHICH IS A HARD QUESTION.

BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT...

I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE INTERESTED IN DISCUSSING IT

WITH PEOPLE WHOSE VALUES ARE SUCH THAT THEY DON'T CARE

ABOUT THE MASSIVE PROBLEM OF KILLING AND HARMING

WOMEN AND CHILDREN THAT THEY COULD EASILY DEAL WITH

AND ARE DOING NOTHING ABOUT.

IN FACT, MAKING IT WORSE.

NOT DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT; MAKING IT WORSE.

Crowd:

SECONDLY, WE'VE GOT TO WORK ON THAT CONGRESS, MY FRIENDS.

NOW THEY OWE US, THOSE REPUBLICANS DO.

WE ALL WORK FOR THEM, OR A LOT OF US DID,

OR THE PRO-LIFE CONGRESSMAN, IN 1994.

AND THAT'S WHY WE GOT THIS CONGRESS.

SO WE GOT TO TELL THEM, "IT'S PAYBACK TIME, FELLAS.

NOT ONE DIME FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD,

NOT ONE DIME FOR UNFPA,

NOT ONE DIME FOR FETAL TISSUE RESEARCH."

♪ THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND

♪ THIS LAND IS MY LAND

♪ FROM CALIFORNIA

♪ TO THE NEW YORK ISLAND

♪ FROM THE REDWOOD FOREST ♪

♪ TO THE GULF STREAM WATERS ♪

♪ THIS LAND WAS MADE FOR YOU AND ME ♪

♪ MINE EYES HAVE SEEN THE GLORY ♪

♪ OF THE COMING OF THE LORD ♪

♪ HE HAS TRAMPLED...

Terry: WELCOME BACK, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,

TO THE WORST NIGHTMARE OF THE CHILD-KILLING MOVEMENT.

RANDALL TERRY LIVE, IN THE FLESH.

IN THE NEWS, A GROUP OF "ELITISTS"

IN THE EVANGELICAL LUTHERAN CHURCH

MET TO DRAFT A STATEMENT IN WHICH THEY SUPPORTED

NOT ONLY HOMOSEXUALITY, BUT THEY SAID, GET THIS,

THAT HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGES COULD BE SUPPORTED BIBLICALLY!

I'M NOT KIDDING. I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP.

AND THEY SAID THAT TEENAGERS HAVING CONDOMS DISTRIBUTED TO THEM

WAS A, QUOTE, "MORAL IMPERATIVE".

I'M NOT MAKING THIS UP.

IN JACKSON, MISSISSIPPI, A PRINCIPAL IS FIRED

FOR ALLOWING A STUDENT TO PRAY.

THE HORRIFYING CRIME.

WHAT THE KIDS SHOULD HAVE DONE IS JUST HANDED OUT CONDOMS,

THEN THE PRINCIPAL WOULD BE A HERO.

WELL, FIREARMS CAN COME INTO THE SCHOOL,

PRINCIPAL WON'T GET FIRED.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD COULD COME INTO THE SCHOOL

AND TELL KIDS HOW TO USE CONDOMS,

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET FIRED.

IN FACT, SOME PERVERT CAN COME IN

AND DEMONSTRATE CONDOM USAGE ON A BANANA OR ON A FINGER

AND MAKE BOYS PULL CONDOMS OVER THE FINGERS OF GIRLS

AND THAT PRINCIPAL'S NOT GOING TO GET THE AXE.

BUT WHEN A MAN STANDS UP AND SAYS TO THE KIDS,

"GO AHEAD. DO YOU WANT TO OPEN THE DAY IN PRAYER?"

BOOM! HE'S FIRED.

THAT, ONCE AGAIN, FRIENDS, SHOWS WHAT HAPPENS TO A NATION

WHEN THAT NATION TURNS ITS BACK ON GOD'S LAW.

WE'LL KEEP YOU POSTED ON THAT.

YOU HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO RANDALL TERRY LIVE.

MY VIEWS ARE MY OWN,

UNLESS THEY COME FROM THE BIBLE, THEN THEY'RE GOD'S

AND THEY'RE FLAWLESS AND PERFECT,

AND WE WON'T RETRACT A SINGLE WORD OF THEM.

I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU, FRIENDS, TO CALL 1-800-323-LIVE

AND GET THAT INCREDIBLE BOOK,

"THE UNTOLD STORY: AMERICA'S CHRISTIAN HISTORY",

AN AWESOME CHRISTMAS GIFT.

IF YOU JUST JOINED ME, THIS IS RANDALL TERRY LIVE,

WHERE WE LOVINGLY BREED INTOLERANCE.

BECAUSE INTOLERANCE IS A BEAUTIFUL THING.

ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT.

MY GOOD FRIENDS, THE PHONE NUMBER

FOR THE U.S. TAXPAYERS ALLIANCE,

WHICH IS THE CLOSE COUSIN OF THE U.S. TAXPAYERS PARTY,

IS 1-800-2-VETO-IRS. 1-800-2-VETO-IRS.

THE U.S. TAXPAYERS ALLIANCE,

MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE DEDICATED TO ENDING THE WELFARE,

SOCIALIST, MESSIANIC STATE OF AMERICA.

RANDALL TERRY, MATT TRUELLO,

AND SOME OTHER ACTIVISTS IN THE MOVEMENT

HAVE RELATED RECENTLY TO THE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS PARTY,

WHICH IS SHOT THROUGH WITH MILITIA PERSONNEL

AND MILITIA SENTIMENT.

AND, IN FACT, HE SPOKE AT THE LAST ELECTION TIME

TO THE CONVENTION AND TOLD THE CONVENTION

THAT HE HAD ALREADY STARTED TEACHING HIS INFANT CHILD

WHERE HIS TRIGGER FINGER WAS.

THAT CHILDREN OUGHT TO BE TRAINED IN THE USE OF...

OF WEAPONS AND ARMS AND SUCH.

AND THERE ARE INDICATIONS THAT BACK IN THE 1980s,

THAT MILITIAS WERE DOING SOME TRAINING

OF ANTI-ABORTION PERSONNEL WITH...

IN THE USE OF HEAVY WEAPONS AND ALSO THE USE OF EXPLOSIVES,

AND THE BUILDING OF BOMBS AND SUCH.

WHEN THE ANTI-ABORTIONISTS TALK ABOUT LIFE

OR TALK ABOUT BABIES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT REALLY IT,

THEY'RE JUST USING THAT TO TRY TO WHIP UP EMOTION.

BECAUSE THIS QUESTION OF WOMAN...

THEY HAVE SAID OUTRIGHT AT SOME OF THEIR MEETINGS,

THAT CONTROL OF WOMEN IS WHAT IT'S ABOUT.

RANDALL TERRY ONCE TALKED ABOUT...

AT A RALLY THAT THEY WERE HAVING,

ABOUT HOW MEN ARE UNDER THE SUBMISSION...

SHOULD SUBMIT TO GOD

AND WOMEN SHOULD SUBMIT TO MEN.

THE TAXPAYERS PARTY PLATFORM, WHILE BEING 100% PRO-LIFE,

IS NOT STRICTLY LIMITED TO THE PRO-LIFE ARENA.

THE TAX PARTY CALLS FOR THE END OF THE IRS

AND THE FEDERAL INCOME TAX,

THE END OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES,

THE END OF THE WELFARE STATE, THE END OF LAND TAXES.

IT CALLS FOR A RETURN TO CONSTITUTIONAL MONEY:

GOLD AND SILVER.

IT CALLS TO A RETURN FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL MEAN...

MEANS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RAISING ITS REVENUE

THROUGH TARIFFS, NOT THROUGH DIRECT TAXATION UPON THE PEOPLE.

IT CALLS FOR THE... THE COMPLETE FREEDOM

OF INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS IN THIS COUNTRY

TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.

LET THOSE WHO REJECT TRUTH, LET THE GOD-HATERS,

LET THE CHILD-KILLERS SEE AND FEAR.

BECAUSE OUR COMMITMENT IS NOT JUST

TO KEEP FIGHTING IN THIS BATTLE,

BUT TO RAISE UP A NEW GENERATION OF MEN AND WOMEN,

ESPECIALLY MEN, COURAGEOUS, GOD-FEARING MEN,

WHO WILL BRING THE NATIONS BACK TO MORAL SANITY,

TO THE LAWS OF JUSTICE AND MERCY AS THEY ARE OUTLINED BY GOD.

♪ JESUS

♪ MIGHTY GOD

♪ OUR ROCK, OUR FORTRESS, OUR DEFENSE ♪

♪ YOUR CONQUERING ARM WILL BE OUR STRENGTH ♪

♪ O GOD OF POWER AND RIGHTEOUSNESS ♪

♪ EVERY FOE WILL TREMBLE AT YOUR NAME ♪

♪ EVERY FOE WILL TREMBLE AT YOUR NAME ♪

♪ EVERY FOE WILL TREMBLE AT YOUR NAME ♪

AND THE RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISTS ARE CONCERNED,

NOT JUST WITH ABORTION, BUT ALSO WITH PORNOGRAPHY,

WITH ANY ISSUE RELATED TO THE FAMILY.

WITH ALCOHOL, A... A LOT OF PERSONAL SINS,

WHAT THEY REGARD AS PERSONAL SINS,

AND ABORTION IS JUST AN EASY HANDLE TO GET AT RIGHT NOW.

IT REALLY AROSE AS AN ISSUE

AFTER THE EQUAL RIGHTS AMENDMENT WAS KILLED.

AND THERE WERE ORGANIZATIONS DEDICATED TO KILLING IT,

AND AFTER IT DIED, THEY HAD TO FIND ANOTHER CAUSE.

AND SO THEY WENT TO ABORTION,

WHICH IS VERY EASY BECAUSE THE CLINICS ARE VERY HANDY,

THEY'RE... THEY'RE CONVENIENT TO GET AT GEOGRAPHICALLY.

WE'RE OUT HERE TO MAKE SURE THAT WOMEN

HAVE ACCESS TO THE CLINIC.

IT IS THEIR LEGAL RIGHT.

AND IN THIS COUNTRY, IF SOMETHING IS LEGAL

YOU OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TO FIGHT YOUR WAY

THROUGH FOAMING-AT-THE-MOUTH ZEALOTS,

CULTISTS, IF YOU WILL,

TO HAVE ACCESS TO SAFE AND LEGAL MEDICAL SERVICES.

CHRISTIAN TERRORISM, IT'S ON THE RISE IN AMERICA.

IT'S UP TO YOU TO STOP IT.

HELP SAVE AMERICA FROM CHRISTIAN TERRORISTS.

CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISM REALLY GOES BACK

TO THE '20s AND THE '30s AS A REVOLT

AGAINST LIBERAL TRENDS IN MAINLINE PROTESTANT DENOMINATIONS.

SINCE THEN IT'S EVOLVED,

AND TO MEAN RATHER DIFFERENT THINGS THAN IT MEANT THEN.

BASICALLY REFERRING PRINCIPALLY

TO AN IDEA OF BIBLICAL LITERALISM.

AND THAT IS THAT THE IDEA THAT THE BIBLE IS LITERALLY TRUE

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THAT CERTAIN PEOPLES' INTERPRETATIONS

IS THE TRUE INTERPRETATION.

NO, WAIT A MINUTE! WAIT A MINUTE!

SHE'S GOT TO GIVE THEM INSTRUCTIONS, ON...

ON WHERE TO GO.

WE'VE GOT TO BE READY TO DO

ANOTHER DOOR DEFENSE AT ANOTHER CLINIC.

GET OUT OF THE CAR WITH YOUR VIDEO CAMERAS AND YOUR ROUNDS.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD, LET'S GO.

Man: IT'S ALMOST LIKE...

IT'S LIKE WAR, ISN'T IT? IT IS.

NO, IT IS. IT IS WAR.

IT JUST DEPENDS UPON WHERE YOUR VIEWPOINT IS.

BUT IT'S A FREE COUNTRY.

UNTIL YOU SHOOT DR. GUNN,

AND THEN IT'S NOT A FREE COUNTRY.

Clarkson: ONE VARIANT IN RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM

IS A POLITICALLY- ORIENTED THEOLOGY

CALLED CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISM.

THE FIRST MAJOR AND SEMINAL TEXT OF RECONSTRUCTIONISM

WAS CALLED "THE INSTITUTES OF BIBLICAL LAW".

AND IT WAS PUBLISHED IN 1973 BY A MAN NAMED R.J. RUSHDOONY.

"THE INSTITUTES OF BIBLICAL LAW"

IS A DISCUSSION OF THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.

IT'S INTENDED TO BE A LEGAL BLUEPRINT

FOR WHAT AN IDEAL BIBLICAL SOCIETY WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THERE ARE A LONG LIST OF CAPITAL OFFENSES,

SOME OF WHICH ARE SEXUAL IN NATURE.

THERE IS ADULTERY AND HOMOSEXUALITY,

AS WELL AS ABORTION, ARE ALL CONSIDERED CAPITAL OFFENSES.

OTHERS HAVE TO DO WITH RELIGION.

SO THAT BLASPHEMY AND HERESY, APOSTASY,

WHICH MEANS ABANDONMENT OF THE FAITH,

PROPAGATION OF FALSE DOCTRINES,

THESE ARE ALL CAPITAL OFFENSES TOO.

SO, BASICALLY, ANYONE WHO'S A RELIGIOUS DISSIDENT,

OR IF YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER OF THE CORRECT SECT,

IS LIABLE TO BE SUBJECT TO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT.

WITHIN THAT, THERE'S WITCHCRAFT AND ASTROLOGY.

BUT IT WOULD ALSO MEAN... AND HERESY WOULD MEAN

THAT IF YOU'RE NOT THE CORRECT KIND

OF CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONIST,

IF YOU'RE, SAY, A BAPTIST,

OR CERTAINLY, HEAVEN FORBID,

IF YOU'RE A MORMON OR A JEW,

YOU WOULD BE PUT TO DEATH

UNDER RUSHDOONY'S "INSTITUTES OF BIBLICAL LAW".

THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS!

THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT OUR LEGISLATURE!

WHY ARE YOU LETTING THEM DICTATE

WHO GOES INTO A DOCTOR'S OFFICE?

♪ THERE IS ONLY ONE BODY

♪ THAT IS WHY I SING

Clarkson: THIS KIND OF THINKING,

THAT IS, THE IDEA THAT THERE'S ONLY THE CHRISTIANS

AND THEN THERE'S EVERYONE ELSE,

IS AN IMPORTANT IDEOLOGICAL PIECE

OF WHAT THE CHRISTIAN RIGHT IS ABOUT.

WHAT THEY WANT IS TO BE ABLE TO KILL CHILDREN BY DAY

AND THEN COME HOME TO THIS BEAUTIFUL ESTATE

AND BE JUST A RESPECTABLE PART OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT ANY LONGER.

WE'RE GOING TO LET THEIR NEIGHBORS KNOW

WHAT THEY DO FOR A LIVING

AND WE'RE GOING TO REALLY SHOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD

THE BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS.

BECAUSE THEY... THEY REALLY SHOULDN'T BE

A RESPECTABLE PART OF SOCIETY.

THEY'RE... THEY KILL CHILDREN FOR A LIVING.

AND THAT SHOULD COME WITH A STIGMA.

WE WANT TO RE-ATTACH THE STIGMA

TO THE KILLING OF CHILDREN IN THIS COUNTRY.

Clarkson: THE RECONSTRUCTIONISTS

ARE A VERY QUIET MOVEMENT.

THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE REVOLUTIONARIES,

THEY KNOW THAT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES

STANDS AS A... AN OBSTACLE TO THEIR POLITICAL GOALS,

WHICH IS CHRISTIAN THEOCRACY

BECAUSE IT CONTAINS THE SEEDS OF...

AND THE ROOTS OF RELIGIOUS FREEDOM.

CHRISTIAN RECONSTRUCTIONISTS DON'T BELIEVE

IN RELIGIOUS FREEDOMS AND IT'S...

IT IS NECESSARY, IN THEIR VIEW,

TO DESTABILIZE CONSTITUTIONAL DEMOCRACY

TO THE POINT WHERE A POLITICAL ALTERNATIVE,

BIBLICAL CHRISTIANITY, AS THEY UNDERSTAND IT,

CAN ACTUALLY BE IMPLEMENTED.

THEY DON'T NECESSARILY EXPECT TO SEE IT IN THEIR LIFETIME,

BUT THEY'RE PREPARED TO DO ORGANIZING FOR THE LONG HAUL

BECAUSE THAT'S THE CORE OF WHAT THEIR RELIGIOUS FAITH IS ABOUT.

THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE ACTING AS MARTYRS

AND AS GUERRILLA WARRIORS

IN A PART OF A LONG-TERM THEOCRATIC STRUGGLE.

IN FACT, COMPARISON WITH IRAN

IS NOT OUTLANDISH, BY ANY MEANS.

THE... THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN,

FOR WHATEVER REASON,

A HIGH LEVEL OF RELIGIOUS EXTREMISM IN THE UNITED STATES,

AND RELIGIOUS PASSION AND FUNDAMENTALIST BELIEF

AND INTOLERANCE AND SO ON, ON RELIGIOUS ISSUES.

AND NOW IT IS UNUSUAL.

THERE ARE SEVERAL ACTIVE VIOLENT REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENTS

IN THE UNITED STATES, AND THEY'RE CONVERGING.

MANY OF THEM ARE STOCKPILING WEAPONS,

OTHERS ARE GOING OUT AND COMMITTING ASSASSINATIONS

AND BOMBINGS TO ACCOMPLISH THEIR STRATEGIC OBJECTIVES.

AND THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE IN THE EARLY STAGES

OF A HOPED-FOR CIVIL WAR.

I PARKED UP THE HILL BEHIND ME,

ABOUT NEAR THE TELEPHONE POLE,

AND TURNED AROUND IN MY TRUCK

AND WAS REACHING FOR MY BACKPACK TO GET IT

AND GET OUT OF THE TRUCK WHEN THE BOMB EXPLODED AND...

OVER AT THE CLINIC.

AND THE CLOUD, A BLACK CLOUD, CAME FLYING ACROSS THE STREET.

I CAME OUTSIDE THE BUILDING

AND SAW THE TWO BODIES OF TWO VICTIMS.

THE NURSE WAS DOWN ON THE GROUND.

THERE WAS A LOT OF BLOOD.

I REMEMBER THE...

ONE OF THE MEN THAT WAS WITH THE NURSE.

SHE WAS...

HE WAS SCREAMING FOR A TUBE.

HE SAID, "DOES ANYBODY HAVE A TUBE?"

TO HELP HIM KEEP THE NURSE ALIVE, I GUESS.

WELL, PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY THING I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THAT DAY

IS THAT I GOT UP AND I WENT TO WORK.

AND TWO WEEKS LATER, I WOKE UP.

YEAH, THERE'S A FEW MISSING BODY PARTS HERE AND THERE.

MY EYE IS GONE, LEFT EYE IS GONE.

MY RIGHT LEG WILL NEVER WALK THE SAME,

BUT I'LL GET AROUND.

NOTHING'S HAPPENED TO MY MIND OR MY VOICE.

Reporter: 31-YEAR-OLD ERIC ROBERT RUDOLPH

IS THE SUSPECT IN THE BOMBING

OF AN ABORTION CLINIC IN ATLANTA ONE MONTH AGO.

HE IS ALSO SUSPECTED OF THE ATLANTA OLYMPICS BOMBING

IN JULY, 1996.

THE FBI ALSO LINK HIM TO THE BOMBINGS

OF TWO ABORTION CLINICS IN 1997

AND THE BOMBING OF A GAY NIGHTCLUB JUST ONE MONTH LATER.

I'VE ALWAYS FELT THAT... THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN.

AND THIS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW,

KIND OF STRANGE THEOLOGY, BUT...

BUT IT IS RELIGIOUSLY-BASED,

WITH PEOPLE MAKING ASSUMPTIONS THAT...

THAT THEY HAVE GOD ON THEIR SIDE

AND THAT GOD HAS DIRECTED THEM TO...

TO DO THIS KIND OF WORK.

Reporter: THE MANHUNT FOR RUDOLPH

HAS TAKEN FEDERAL AGENTS ALL OVER THE EASTERN U.S.,

FROM BIRMINGHAM TO SOUTHWEST FLORIDA

WHERE HIS MOTHER LIVES,

TO NORTH CAROLINA AND EVEN TO WASHINGTON, D.C.,

WHERE WITNESSES THINK THEY SAW RUDOLPH

A FEW DAYS BEFORE THE BOMBING AT ANTI-ABORTION DEMONSTRATIONS.

RUDOLPH COMES OUT OF THE CHRISTIAN IDENTITY MOVEMENT,

WHICH IS THE RELIGIOUS UNDERPINNING

OF THE NEO-NAZI AND WHITE SUPREMACIST MOVEMENT

IN THE UNITED STATES.

RICHARD BUTLER, THE HEAD OF THE ARYAN NATIONS IN IDAHO,

FOR EXAMPLE, IS A CHRISTIAN IDENTITY MINISTER.

AND... AS ARE MANY OTHER LEADERS

OF THE WHITE SUPREMACIST MOVEMENT.

ERIC RUDOLPH AND HIS FAMILY WERE FOLLOWERS

OF A SERIES OF CHRISTIAN IDENTITY PREACHERS.

ERIC RUDOLPH IS THE PERSON WHO IS ACCUSED OF DOING THIS

AND I BELIEVE IN INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY,

SO HE IS A SUSPECT, MEANING THAT THERE IS GOOD EVIDENCE

TO SUSPECT THAT HE DID IT.

BUT, DURING ALL OF THIS,

ERIC RUDOLPH'S BROTHER TRIED

TO MAKE SOME KIND OF STATEMENT.

HE WENT OUT TO HIS, I GUESS, HIS TOOL SHED OR GARAGE,

AND SET UP A VIDEO CAMERA; SAID,

"THIS IS FOR THE FBI AND THE MEDIA."

HE TOOK A RADIAL ARM SAW AND CUT HIS OWN HAND OFF,

CUT HIS LEFT HAND OFF.

HE HAD A TOURNIQUET WRAPPED AROUND HIS ARM,

HE DROVE HIMSELF TO THE HOSPITAL

WITH JUST THE TOURNIQUET AROUND HIS ARM,

LEAVING THE HAND BACK AT HIS HOUSE.

THE PARAMEDICS LATER WENT BACK,

RETRIEVED HIS HAND AND IT WAS REATTACHED.

OF COURSE, NO TELLING HOW WELL IT WILL WORK.

AND YOU JUST GO, "WHY?"

APPARENTLY, THERE ARE PEOPLE

WHO THINK THAT SOME KIND OF ACT OF VIOLENCE

IS GOING TO SOLVE SOMETHING.

BOMBING THE CLINIC DID NOT STOP IT.

BOMBING ANOTHER CLINIC WILL NOT STOP THEM.

CUTTING YOUR HAND OFF CERTAINLY DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING

OTHER THAN HE LOST THE USE OF HIS HAND.

SO, THAT TYPE OF MENTALITY

I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO RELATE TO.

HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND SOMEONE WHO,

FOR NO OBVIOUS REASON,

JUST DECIDES TO DISMEMBER THEMSELVES?

HOW DO YOU... HOW DO YOU TALK TO SOMEONE LIKE THAT?

HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE THINKING?

I... I DON'T KNOW.

HERE'S A MAN WHO IS A GUERRILLA WARRIOR,

WHO COMES INTO A SITUATION

AND ATTACKS WHAT HE VIEWS AS STRATEGIC TARGETS.

IN THE CASE OF ABORTION CLINICS AND THE GAY BAR,

YOU HAVE SYMBOLS OF WOMEN'S REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS

AND WOMEN'S EQUALITY

AND TAKING CONTROL OF THEIR OWN DESTINY.

IN THE CASE OF THE GAY BAR, A SOCIAL INSTITUTION

THAT'S SUPPORTIVE OF SOMETHING THAT RUDOLPH'S RELIGION

WOULD CONSIDER AN ABOMINATION BEFORE GOD.

AND IN THE CASE OF THE OLYMPICS, THE...

THE CLASSIC CASE OF RACE MIXING AND AN...

AN INSTITUTION OF WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE

THE NEW WORLD ORDER

AND THE INTERNATIONALISM THAT IT REPRESENTS.

SO TO UNDERMINE THE OLYMPICS IS A STRATEGIC GOAL

OF WHITE SUPREMACIST MOVEMENTS.

WITHOUT EVER IDENTIFYING THEMSELVES,

WE KEEP FINDING THEM EVERY PLACE YOU LOOK,

WHETHER IT'S THE GOVERNOR OF OUR STATE WHO...

WHO HOLDS TO THAT KIND OF THEOLOGY

BUT WHO COULD NEVER PUT A LABEL TO IT, I'M SURE,

OR WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE

WHO ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE,

OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CHRISTIAN COALITION,

PROMISE KEEPERS OR WHATEVER.

BUT THE IMPETUS BEHIND EVERYTHING

FROM COVENANT MARRIAGES TO RESTRICTIONS ON ABORTION

HAVE TO DO WITH TRYING TO BRING THE UNITED STATES

IN LINE WITH A PARTICULAR KIND OF A...

A PARTICULAR SET OF ASSUMPTIONS

ABOUT WHAT THE HEBREW TESTAMENT SAYS

ABOUT HOW LIVES SHOULD BE LIVED.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT...

THAT WOULD LEAD ME TO BELIEVE

THAT OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THIS HAS DECLINED.

I MEAN, IT SLOWLY HAS INCREASED IN...

IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

NOT ONLY IN TERMS OF VOLUME.

THEY CAN BOMB ALL THE CLINICS THEY WANT TO,

THEY CAN KILL ALL THE PEOPLE THEY WANT TO,

BUT WOMEN ARE STILL GOING TO GET ABORTIONS.

AND... AND IF... AND IF THE...

THE CLINICS DON'T... DON'T STAY OPEN,

THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING THEM

IN SOME OTHER... SOME OTHER WAY. SO IT WAS...

YOU CAN'T LET THEM WIN BY SHUTTING DOWN.

YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP GOING.

ONCE YOU HAVE OPENED YOUR HEART,

ONCE YOU HAVE ADMITTED CHRIST INTO YOUR HEART,

THEN THE PRINCIPLE OF THE LAW DWELLS WITHIN YOU.

AND YOU ARE NO LONGER SUBJECT

TO THAT EXTERNAL SHACKLE OF THE LAW

BECAUSE THE LAW FLOWERS AND BLOOMS WITHIN YOU.

AND IT SHAPES YOUR JUDGMENT AND IT MOVES YOUR LIMBS.

AND YOU NO LONGER HAVE TO BE BOUND BY EXTERNAL SHACKLES

BECAUSE YOU ARE BOUND TO THE WILL OF GOD BY THE LOVE OF GOD

THROUGH THE TRUTH OF CHRIST'S SALVATION.

THAT'S THE UNDERSTANDING OF FREEDOM

THAT IS AT THE ROOT OF OUR CHRISTIAN FAITH.

BUT DON'T YOU SEE?

THAT NOTION OF FREEDOM AS AN IN-DWELLING PRINCIPLE

WHICH THEN LEADS TO THE CONSEQUENCE THAT BECAUSE...

BECAUSE YOUR RESPECT FOR THE LAW DWELLS WITHIN,

YOU CAN LIVE IN A SOCIETY

IN WHICH YOU ARE A LAW UNTO YOURSELF.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING.

THIS IS THE MARY WESTLIN HOME.

THIS IS MY WIFE, MARY LOU, UP OVER HERE IN THE...

IN THE PORTRAIT.

SHE IS THE ONE THAT RUNS EVERYTHING HERE.

SHE'S IN HEAVEN NOW.

THE LORD TOOK HER IN 1980 AND WE'VE ASKED JESUS

TO GIVE HER SPECIAL AUTHORITY TO RUN THIS PLACE.

AND SINCE THAT TIME, WE'VE HAD 180 MOTHERS LIVE HERE

AND 83 BABIES BORN DIRECTLY THROUGH THE HOME.

THE REST OF US ARE LAMBS OF CHRIST

AND THERE'S 500 OR 600 OF US AROUND THE COUNTRY.

AND WHENEVER THEY CAN, THEY CAN GET A BREAK FROM THEIR FAMILIES,

THEY COME DOWN AND THEY JOIN US AND WE GO ON IN

AND WE PUT OUR BODIES BETWEEN THE BABY-KILLER

AND THE BABY IN FRONT OF THE KILLING CENTER.

WE DON'T REALLY RESCUE, WE GATHER AS LAMBS.

NORMALLY, THE PROTEST PEOPLE THAT WE RUN INTO

ARE FOUR CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE.

THE SATAN WORSHIPPERS,

AND THEY ACTIVELY WORSHIP SATAN

AND THEY TAKE THE BABY OUT OF THE WOMB

BY THE HIND LEG AND THEY'LL HANG IT UP IN FRONT...

HANG... HANG THE BABY UP IN FRONT OF US PRO-LIFERS WHO ARE THERE,

AND THEN THEY'LL BARBECUE THIS BABY

RIGHT IN FRONT OF US ON A BARBECUE PIT.

IT'S MACABRE, IT'S SATANIC.

THE OTHERS THERE ARE HOMOSEXUALS

AND THOSE WHO ARE PAID BY THE BABY-KILLER TO BE AROUND HIM.

AND THOSE PEOPLE... WHO ARE PRO-DEATH.

THOSE ARE THE CATEGORIES OF PEOPLE IN FRONT OF THE DEATH CENTER.

I ASK YOU AND I INVITE YOU AND I CHALLENGE YOU

TO GO IN AND STUDY THOSE PEOPLE

WHO ARE AT THOSE KILLING CENTERS ON THE OTHER SIDE.

STUDY THEM. FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE.

DON'T BELIEVE US.

GO IN AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF.

IT'S A... IT'S A MACABRE, DEPRESSING SATANIC ATMOSPHERE

WHERE THEY'VE BEEN SEDUCED BY SATAN.

THEY'RE PROBABLY VERY BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE.

AND WE PRAY FOR THE BABY-KILLER EVERY DAY.

WE WANT HIM IN HEAVEN.

BUT WE WANT HIM THERE SOON.

SO WE PRAY FOR HIS HAPPY DEATH.

Woman: SCOTT, HE'S THE FATHER OF THE BABY,

BUT WE'RE... WE'RE VERY GOOD FRIENDS.

WE HAD BEEN MORE THAN FRIENDS AT ONE TIME,

BUT NOT ANYMORE.

WE BROKE UP ABOUT, OH, CLOSE TO TWO MONTHS AGO.

AND THE RELATION... THE RELATIONSHIP

WAS JUST NOT WORKING OUT AND WE BROKE IT OFF,

AND I MOVED AWAY FOR A WHILE AND DECIDED TO MOVE BACK

AND NOT RUN AWAY FROM HIM AND MY FEELINGS.

AND I CAME BACK AND HE CAME VISITING ONCE IN A WHILE

AND WE ENDED UP HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX.

AND HERE I AM.

MANY PEOPLE, UM, ARE SURPRISED

WHEN WE BRING FORWARD THE NOTION

OR BRING FORWARD THE REALITY

THAT THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS NEVER HAD A POSITION

ON WHEN THE FETUS BECOMES A PERSON.

ULTIMATELY, THE REALITY IS NONE OF US KNOW.

THE CHURCH DOESN'T KNOW.

THE COURTS DON'T KNOW.

DOCTORS DON'T KNOW.

NO ONE KNOWS.

AND THE QUESTION IN THE 20th CENTURY,

BOTH IN A RELIGIOUS CONTEXT

AND I WOULD SAY IN A SECULAR CONTEXT,

IS WHAT DO WE DO IN SITUATIONS?

WHAT IS THE MORAL AND ETHICAL THING TO DO AS A SOCIETY

IN SITUATIONS WHERE THERE ARE FACTS THAT WE DO NOT KNOW?

THE ABORTION AREA IS A FLASHPOINT, I THINK, FOR...

FOR ETHICS FOR THE HUMAN CONDITION.

IT'S... IT INVOLVES THE MOST NATURAL THING IN THE WORLD,

PREGNANCY, AND YET IT ALSO INVOLVES

THE MOST MIND-BENDING SET OF FACTS,

ORDINARILY, ONE HUMAN BEING LIVING INSIDE ANOTHER.

FROM THE STANDPOINT OF PRO-LIFE INDIVIDUALS,

HUMAN LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION.

ONE CANNOT BE MORALLY COMPLICIT

IN THE TAKING OF ANOTHER LIFE,

ESPECIALLY THE TAKING OF AN INNOCENT LIFE,

AND THAT THAT MORAL BELIEF FOR PEOPLE OF FAITH

IS BACKED UP BY GENETICISTS.

AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A GENETICIST IN THE WORLD

WHO WOULD DENY THE COMPLETENESS OF HUMAN LIFE,

IN TERMS OF ALL OF ITS PHYSICAL INGREDIENTS,

AGAIN, IN THE FIRST FERTILIZED CELL.

AND THE OTHER SIDE, QUITE FRANKLY, DOESN'T REALLY DENY...

CAN'T DENY THE EXISTENCE, THE PHYSICAL REALITY

OF THE SEPARATE HUMAN LIFE.

WHAT THEY DENY IS...

ITS CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE AND ITS MEANING

WITH RESPECT TO THE WOMAN WHO'S CARRYING THE PREGNANT...

CARRYING THE CHILD.

AND, AGAIN, IT BECOMES THIS CLASH OF ABSOLUTES

BETWEEN, ON THE ONE HAND, THIS CLAIM OF ABSOLUTE AUTONOMY

AND A CLAIM THAT HUMAN LIFE ABSOLUTELY MUST BE PROTECTED.

THE CLAIM OF ABSOLUTE AUTONOMY IS VERY SELF-DIRECTED.

THE CLAIM OF HUMAN LIFE BEING ABSOLUTELY PROTECTED

IS ONE THAT HAS GREAT HISTORICAL LINEAGE.

IT IS, AFTER ALL, A VINDICATION OF A SELF-EVIDENT TRUTH

THAT RIGHT IS... THAT LIFE IS AN INALIENABLE RIGHT.

HOW TO GET THESE PEOPLE TO TALK TO EACH OTHER?

ULTIMATELY, OF COURSE, THE...

THE WHOLE DECISION IS BASED ON QUESTIONS

ABOUT WHAT YOU THINK MAKES KILLING WRONG.

AND I THINK THAT'S ONE REASON WHY...

THE PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION WITH THE...

WITH THE GENERAL PUBLIC HAS NOT GOT VERY FAR,

BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T REALLY CONFRONTED THAT ISSUE.

THEY'VE TRIED TO SAY, "WELL, THE FETUS IS A HUMAN BEING,"

OR, "THE FETUS IS NOT A HUMAN BEING,"

JUST ACCEPTING THE PREMISE THAT...

THAT, YOU KNOW, KILLING INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS IS ALWAYS WRONG.

I THINK IF THEY'D GONE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AND SAID,

"WELL, YOU KNOW, YES, I MEAN, IN ONE SENSE

THE FETUS OBVIOUSLY IS A HUMAN BEING.

IT'S A MEMBER OF THE SPECIES HOMO SAPIENS AND IT'S ALIVE."

BUT WHAT ARE THE CHARACTERISTICS

THAT MAKE IT PARTICULARLY WRONG TO KILL A HUMAN BEING?

WHY DO WE THINK THAT KILLING A HUMAN BEING IS NORMALLY WRONG?

AND I THINK IF YOU START ASKING THOSE QUESTIONS,

YOU GET TO SEE THAT IT'S NOT JUST BEING A MEMBER

OF THE SPECIES HOMO SAPIENS THAT MAKES KILLING WRONG.

IT'S, RATHER, THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW,

US, YOU AND ME, AND ANYONE ELSE LISTENING HERE,

IS A BEING THAT IS...

HAS GOT CERTAIN CAPACITIES.

CAN THINK, CAN WANT TO GO ON LIVING,

YOU KNOW, CAN... IS... IS AWARE OF THE FACT

THAT HE OR SHE IS LIVING AND WANTS TO GO ON LIVING.

AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS CONTRIBUTE

TO WHY WE THINK THAT FOR SOMEONE, SAY,

JUST RANDOMLY TO SHOOT PEOPLE IN THE STREET IS A TERRIBLE THING.

BUT NONE OF THAT APPLIES TO THE FETUS.

THE FETUS IS...

WELL, WHEN MOST ABORTIONS ARE PERFORMED

THE FETUS IS NOT EVEN CONSCIOUS

AND IT'S CERTAINLY NEVER A BEING WHO CAN THINK,

"I WANT TO GO ON LIVING."

IF IT DOESN'T MATTER TO A BEING WHAT'S DONE TO IT,

THEN IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT IT HAS

EXACTLY THE SAME MORAL STANDING AS YOU OR I DO.

GAMETES ALSO ARE HUMAN IN THAT SENSE,

SPERM AND OVA, AND YET WE DON'T THINK

THAT THEY HAVE THE SAME MORAL STATUS AS YOU AND I DO.

EVERY TIME A MAN AND A WOMAN REFRAIN FROM HAVING SEX

THAT MEANS A POTENTIAL SPERM DIES

AND A POTENTIAL EGG DIES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO, HOWEVER, REQUIRE COUPLES

TO HAVE SEX AT EVERY POSSIBLE MOMENT.

THERE ARE SOME RELIGIOUS TRADITIONS

THAT DO REQUIRE THAT.

THE EXTREMELY ORTHODOX JEW

SAYS YOU MUST MULTIPLY

AND HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS YOU POSSIBLY CAN.

AND EVERY MISSED OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SEX

DURING A PERIOD OF TIME WHEN THE WOMAN IS FERTILE

IS, IN EFFECT, A VIOLATION OF THE ORDER

TO MULTIPLY AND BE FRUITFUL.

I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE TAKE THAT ARGUMENT

VERY SERIOUSLY TODAY IN OUR SOCIETY.

AND ONCE ONE BEGINS TO DRAW LINES,

THE LINE BETWEEN REFUSING TO HAVE SEX,

HAVING SEX WITH A CONDOM,

TAKING THE PILL THE MORNING AFTER YOU'VE HAD SEX,

TAKING THE PILL THREE WEEKS LATER,

HAVING AN ABORTION A MONTH LATER,

BEGINS TO BE A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT POINT

AT WHICH TO DRAW ABSOLUTE BLACK AND WHITE LINES.

I THINK ONE WAY TO...

AT LEAST THAT I FIND HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT THIS,

IS TO TRY TO, AGAIN, MOVE AWAY

FROM A VERY STRICT RIGHTS LANGUAGE,

WHICH OFTEN LEADS TO A "RIGHT OR WRONG",

"YES OR NO" APPROACH TO THESE ISSUES.

AND INSTEAD TO TRY TO MAKE SENSE

OF THE INTERESTS, THE... THE NEEDS, THE...

THE CONTEXT OF... OF THE PREGNANT WOMAN

AND OF THE FETUS.

PRO-LIFERS THINK THAT ABORTION IS WRONG

BECAUSE IT'S INTRINSICALLY WRONG TO DESTROY A HUMAN LIFE.

AND DWORKIN THINKS THAT PEOPLE WHO ARE PRO-CHOICE

ALSO THINK THAT IT'S INTRINSICALLY WRONG

TO DESTROY HUMAN LIFE.

BUT THEY THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO ALLOW WOMEN

TO MAKE THIS CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES BECAUSE THERE...

IT'S IMPORTANT... HER HUMAN LIFE ALSO HAS INTRINSIC VALUE.

AND TO BE FORCED TO CARRY A PREGNANCY TO TERM

WHEN SHE DOESN'T WANT TO OR ISN'T YET READY

TO BECOME A MOTHER IS ALSO A... A WAY OF...

OF NOT RESPECTING THE INTRINSIC VALUE OF HUMAN LIFE.

Woman: Can I help you? Do you have an appointment?

YES, I DO.

HI. HI.

AND YOUR NAME? STACEY SAUNDER.

HI, STACEY.

JUST A FEW FORMS HERE FOR YOU.

THE FIRST TWO ARE INFORMATIONAL FORMS

AND THEN A COUPLE OF FORMS YOU'LL NEED TO FILL OUT FOR US,

AND THEN YOU CAN BRING THEM RIGHT UP TO ME

AS SOON AS YOU'RE FINISHED, OKAY?

OKAY. ALRIGHTY.

THANKS. THANKS.

THERE'S THE CUPS BEHIND THE CURTAIN HERE.

JUST A SMALL AMOUNT. YOU CAN BRING IT BACK TO THE LAB

AND THEN I NEED TO GET A SMALL BLOOD SAMPLE.

OKAY.

EVERYONE IN THE DEBATE

IS OPPOSED TO OUTRIGHT INFANTICIDE.

THAT IS, TAKING A LIVE CHILD AND DECIDING TO KILL THEM

BECAUSE IT'S TOO MUCH TROUBLE TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.

EVERYONE AGREES ON THAT.

EVERYONE AGREES, I SUPPOSE,

THAT WOMEN ARE ALLOWED TO WASH THEIR HANDS,

ALTHOUGH, I SUPPOSE... I GUESS YOU COULD MAKE A CASE,

IF YOU WENT OVER TO THE BIOLOGY DEPARTMENT,

THAT WHEN A WOMAN WASHES HER HANDS,

LOTS OF CELLS FLAKE OFF AND SOME FUTURE TECHNOLOGY

MIGHT BE ABLE TO USE THE INFORMATION IN THOSE CELLS

TO CONSTRUCT A POTENTIAL CHILD.

SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, SAY, WASHING YOUR HANDS

AND KILLING YOUR THREE-YEAR-OLD,

SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THAT THERE ARE DECISION TO BE...

THERE ARE DECISIONS TO BE MADE

ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO BALANCE WHAT WE CALL LIFE,

WHICH, IN FACT, IS THERE IN THE CELLS ON YOUR HAND,

HOW WE'RE GOING TO BALANCE WHAT WE CALL LIFE

AGAINST LOTS OF OTHER PROBLEMS.

AND THOSE DECISIONS ARE NOT SIMPLE.

PEOPLE WHO SAY, "WELL, I KNOW IT'S AT THIS NUMBER OF DAYS,"

THEY CAN'T BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AMBIGUOUS ISSUES

OF A COMPLICATED KIND

WHERE YOU HAVE TO BALANCE CONFLICTING INTERESTS AND CONCERNS,

AS IS GENERALLY THE CASE IN HUMAN LIFE.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE ANSWERS FROM HOLY TEXTS.

YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE ANSWERS FROM BIOLOGISTS.

THESE ARE MATTERS OF HUMAN CONCERN

THAT HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED SERIOUSLY, REASONABLY,

WITH ATTENTION TO THE ARRAY OF VALUES,

DIFFERING VALUES, OFTEN, THAT PEOPLE HAVE

AND DIFFERENT DECISIONS THEY MAY COME TO

UNDER SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES.

YOU ARE PROPHETIC PEOPLE

AND I JUST WANT TO AFFIRM YOU TONIGHT.

AND I WANT TO AFFIRM YOU TO SAY

YOU ARE THE PROPHETIC PEOPLE OF GOD.

GOD'S WORD IS SUPREME.

HIS WORD IS THE STANDARD.

PSALM 119:89. GOD'S WORD IS ESTABLISHED FOREVER.

Congregants: YES!

MY FOCUS IS ON HIS WORD. NOT POLLS, NOT OPINION POLLS,

NOT FOCUS GROUPS, BUT HIS WORD!

Various: YES!

HIS UNCHANGING WORD.

MY VISION MUST BE LOCKED ON HIS WORD

LIKE MICHAEL JOHNSON'S EYES WERE LOCKED ON THE FINISH LINE.

I AM MOVED NOT BY WHAT CULTURE SAYS ABOUT ME,

NOT WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS ABOUT ME,

NOT EVEN WHAT THE CHURCH SAYS ABOUT ME,

BUT WHAT THE WORD OF GOD HAS TO SAY ABOUT ME.

I AM FIXED ON THE WORD!

FOR THOSE WHO SAY, "GOD TOLD ME

THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE AN ABORTION," I IGNORE THAT.

I MEAN, THAT KIND OF FUNDAMENTALIST APPROACH

TO GOD TELLING YOU WHAT THE ANSWER TO EVERY PROBLEM IS,

I DON'T THINK, IN A SECULAR SOCIETY,

DESERVES TO BE GIVEN MUCH WEIGHT.

RELIGION ALSO GIVES YOU A SET OF VALUES

WITH WHICH TO ANALYZE A PROBLEM INTELLIGENTLY.

AND I THINK THAT MANY OF THE VALUES WE HAVE IN OUR SOCIETY,

VALUES FAVORING LIFE, VALUES FAVORING CHOICE,

ORIGINALLY COME FROM RELIGION.

MUCH OF ALL MORALITY IS RELIGIOUSLY-BASED.

BUT RELIGION IS SO BROAD

THAT IT CAN PROVIDE ANY ANSWER YOU WANT.

THE BIBLE, LIKE ANY COMPLEX HISTORICAL TEXT,

PRESENTS A GOD WHO CAN BE CALLED UPON

TO JUSTIFY MASS GENOCIDE

AND WHO CAN BE CALLED UPON TO JUSTIFY MERCY

TO WIDOWS AND ORPHANS.

SAME GOD. DEPENDS WHAT YOU WANT TO...

WHAT PARTS OF THE TEXT YOU WANT TO INTERPRET.

THE CONCEPTION OF GOD IS OBVIOUSLY RELEVANT

FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN GOD.

AND FOR MANY OF THEM,

THEIR VIEWS WILL FLOW FROM THAT.

BUT IT DOESN'T DETERMINE THEIR VIEWS BECAUSE, OF COURSE,

YOU CAN HAVE FUNDAMENTALIST CHRISTIANS WHO WILL BELIEVE THAT...

BELIEVE IN GOD AND THINK THAT, FOR THAT REASON,

ABORTION IS WRONG, EMBRYO EXPERIMENTATION IS WRONG,

EUTHANASIA IS WRONG AND SO ON.

AND YOU CAN HAVE OTHER, MORE LIBERAL CHRISTIANS,

WHO WILL BELIEVE IN GOD,

BUT WHO WILL THINK THAT ALL OF THOSE THINGS CAN BE JUSTIFIED.

SO... THE QUESTION OF GOD

DOESN'T DETERMINE THE ANSWERS TO THESE ISSUES.

IN THE END, HUMAN BEINGS HAVE TO DECIDE.

IN THE END, EACH OF US HAS TO DECIDE,

USING WHATEVER RESOURCES WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO US:

RELIGION, OUR MIND,

OUR SENSE OF WHAT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IN SOCIETY,

THIS IS A CHOICE THAT CANNOT BE MADE BY OTHERS.

STACEY, I'M STEPHANIE,

AND WE'RE GOING TO DO YOUR MEDICAL HISTORY NOW, OKAY?

OKAY. AND THIS IS JUST QUESTION AND ANSWER. ALRIGHTY?

SO WHEN IS YOUR BIRTH DATE? 7/7/68.

7/7/68. AND HOW OLD DOES THAT MAKE YOU?

28. 28? OKAY.

AND WHAT'S YOUR OCCUPATION?

I'M A NURSING ASSISTANT. OKAY.

AND HOW MANY TOTAL TIMES HAVE YOU BEEN PREGNANT, ALTOGETHER?

UM... FIVE. OKAY. FIVE.

AND ANY LIVING CHILDREN?

ONE. ONE LIVING CHILD.

AND WAS THAT CHILD BORN PREMATURE?

NO. NO.

BORN FULL TERM? YEAH. OKAY. GOOD.

ARE YOU CURRENTLY OR HAVE YOU BEEN IN TREATMENT

FOR EITHER DEPRESSION OR PSYCHIATRIC PROBLEMS?

I'VE BEEN ON MEDICATION IN THE PAST FOR IT.

OKAY. ARE YOU ON MEDICATION NOW?

NO. OKAY.

WHAT YEARS WERE YOU ON MED... AND, ACTUALLY,

WHAT WERE YOU ON MEDICATION FOR,

PSYCHIATRIC PROBLEMS OR DEPRESSION?

DEPRESSION. OKAY.

WHEN WAS THAT? HOW LONG AGO?

THIS YEAR. THIS YEAR. OKAY.

ALRIGHTY. NOW GOING BACK TO THE...

TO THE SURGERY THAT YOU HAD FOR PHYSICAL ABUSE,

THAT BROKE YOUR JAW, IN 1992...

HOW... HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?

UM... ONE QUICK PUNCH.

AND THIS WAS FROM... WHO PUNCHED YOU?

AN EX-BOYFRIEND. THE FATHER OF MY...

THE BABY THAT I DELIVERED.

OKAY. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, DID YOU KNOW...

DID IT KNOCK YOU OUT? DID YOU KNOW YOU...

YOUR JAW WAS BROKEN?

NO. I HAD NO IDEA.

WHAT HAPPENED?

WE WERE LIVING IN THE CITIES HERE

AND I HAD NO FAMILY AROUND,

AND I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS BROKE

AND HE WOULDN'T LET ME GO TO THE DOCTOR.

IT WAS JUST KIND OF SWOLLEN AND I JUST LET IT GO.

AND THEN... THEN IN '88 HE WAS KILLED

IN A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT AND I MOVED BACK TO MY FAMILY.

AND MY MOM WANTED ME TO SEE A PHYSICIAN

'CAUSE IT WAS SO CROOKED.

MM-HMM.

SO I DID THAT. AND HE RE-BROKE IT AND...

THE SURGEON? YEAH.

RE-BROKE IT?

AND PUT EVERYTHING BACK TOGETHER.

OKAY.

AND HOW WAS IT FOR YOU THAT...

THAT THE TRAUMA OF THE ABUSE HAPPENED AND THEN...

WERE YOU IN TOUCH WITH THIS MAN WHEN HE WAS...

YOU KNOW, BEFORE HE WAS KILLED?

I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO GO BACK TO HIM THE...

THE DAY BEFORE HE WAS... OR THE DAY...

THE MORNING HE WAS KILLED,

I WAS SUPPOSED TO TAKE A BUS THAT EVENING

TO BE BACK BY MONDAY MORNING AND...

THEN HE HAD BEEN KILLED THAT MORNING.

WOW. SO...

THAT'S PRETTY TRAUMATIC.

YEAH. IT WASN'T A GOOD THING.

HOW ARE YOU WITH... THAT'S...

THAT'S SO MUCH TO GO THROUGH.

HOW ARE YOU WITH IT NOW?

WHAT IS THIS, THREE, FOUR YEARS LATER?

I'M DEALING WITH IT.

I STILL GO TO COUNSELING ONCE IN AWHILE WHEN I FEEL...

GOOD. FEEL THE NEED.

GOOD. OKAY, WELL, IF...

IF WE CAN HELP YOU IN ANY WAY WITH THAT, LET US KNOW.

OKAY. OKAY?

'CAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT. ALRIGHTY?

AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

WAS... WAS THE ABUSE AND THE...

AND THE DEATH OF THIS MAN,

DID THAT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE DECISION

TO HAVE THE BABY ADOPTED?

YES. OKAY.

VERY MUCH SO.

HE WAS NOT A... A FIT FATHER

FOR NO CHILD, BY ANY MEANS.

OKAY. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT...

COULD I GET A TISSUE?

SURE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT...

THAT YOU FEEL LIKE IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT

THAT YOU WOULD LIKE...

ANY WORDS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO...

'CAUSE THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT TO HAVE GONE THROUGH.

DON'T STICK AROUND AFTER THEY HIT YOU ONCE.

YEAH. YEAH.

I WOULD SAY "HEAR, HEAR" TO THAT TOO.

OKAY.

SOMETIMES STUFF LIKE THAT CAN BE DIFFICULT

WHEN YOU'RE HERE FOR THIS PROCEDURE.

SO LET US KNOW AND...

AND WE WILL CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, BE SUPPORTIVE

AND HELP YOU IN ANY WAY THAT WE CAN.

OKAY. OKAY?

THANK YOU.

WE HAD THESE WONDERFUL TESTIMONIALS HERE TODAY

THAT WE HELD HEARINGS ON THE SECOND VICTIM

IN AN ABORTION, WHICH IS THE WOMAN.

OFTEN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, ALMOST ALWAYS,

ABANDONED, DESERTED, DENIGRATED, CALLED NAMES,

PRESSURED, DRIVEN INTO THESE CLINICS,

AND AS A CONSEQUENCE THERE'S NOT ONLY PHYSICAL DAMAGE,

BUT THERE'S ENORMOUS EMOTIONAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL SCARRING.

THEY COME OUT WITH TERRIBLE DEPRESSIONS,

SUICIDAL TENDENCIES.

LET'S HOLD HEARINGS.

IF WE SHOW WHAT THE OIL INDUSTRY DOES

UP THERE IN PRINCE WILLIAM SOUND,

LET'S SHOW WHAT THE ABORTION INDUSTRY

IS DOING TO THE WOMEN OF AMERICA.

MOST PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

DON'T FEEL THAT REPUBLICANS WANT IT TO END.

THEY FEEL IT'S THEIR...

LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY IS FOR DEMOCRATS,

ABORTION IS FOR REPUBLICANS.

IT'S THE TYPE OF LEGISLATION

THAT HELPS THEM ELECT CANDIDATES.

WHY WOULD THEY WANT IT TO GO AWAY?

YOU KNOW, AND THAT CREATES A SITUATION.

DEMOCRATS FIGHT VIGOROUSLY FOR SOCIAL SECURITY

'CAUSE IT'S THEIR HAMMER IN THE ELECTIONS.

REPUBLICANS... IF YOU'RE A REPUBLICAN,

IT'S JUST ACCEPTED THAT YOU RUN FOR OFFICE

BASED ON THE FACT THAT YOU'RE PRO-LIFE.

AND IF IT GOES AWAY,

WHAT HAVE THEY GOT FOR THEIR OLD RELIABLE?

SO THIS IS A PICTURE OF WHAT YOUR CERVIX LOOKS LIKE.

AND YOU'VE GIVEN BIRTH BEFORE, RIGHT?

MM-HMM. SO THAT MEANS

JUST THAT YOUR CERVIX HAS A LITTLE SLIT

INSTEAD A ROUND HOLE THERE.

BUT THIS IS JUST THE BOTTOM RING OF MUSCLE OF YOUR UTERUS, OKAY?

AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO THEN,

THERE'S THREE STEPS TO THE ABORTION PROCEDURE

AND THE WHOLE THING WILL TAKE ABOUT FIVE MINUTES, OKAY?

THE FIRST STEP IS THAT YOU GET A LITTLE NOVOCAIN

ON YOUR CERVIX TO NUMB IT.

JUST LIKE WHEN YOU GET NOVOCAIN

IN YOUR GUMS AT THE DENTIST.

YOU'VE DONE THAT BEFORE?

OH YEAH. YEAH.

NOBODY LIKES THAT EITHER.

IT USUALLY TAKES ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF

TO GO NUMB COMPLETELY, AND WHAT YOU MIGHT FEEL

IS A PINCH OR A PRICK AND SOME STINGING FROM THE NOVOCAIN.

BUT PEOPLE USUALLY SAY IT GOES AWAY PRETTY QUICK.

OKAY. OKAY?

AND SO WE TAKE THIS THING...

THIS IS CALLED A CANNULA.

AND THIS IS ABOUT AN EIGHT-WEEK CANNULA.

SO THE ONE WE MAY BE USING FOR YOU

MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT SMALLER.

AND THIS IS ATTACHED TO A LONG FLEXIBLE TUBE

WHICH IS ATTACHED TO THE SUCTION MACHINE.

AND THIS JUST GOES INSIDE THAT CERVIX,

INSIDE YOUR UTERUS AND THEN IT JUST...

THE MACHINE TURNS ON...

IT MAKES A HUMMING NOISE, SO YOU'LL HEAR IT.

AND THIS JUST GETS MOVED ALONG THE WALL OF YOUR UTERUS

AND TAKES ALL THAT MENSTRUAL TISSUE THAT IS BUILT UP

'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T HAD YOUR PERIOD IN LIKE, TWO MONTHS, RIGHT?

AND, ALSO, THE PREGNANCY COMES WITH THAT.

NOW, THE SIZE YOUR PREGNANCY IS, IT'S REAL SMALL,

SO IT'LL JUST KIND OF COME ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, OKAY?

STACEY, A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS

JUST ABOUT YOUR DECISION TODAY, IF THAT'S OKAY?

ARE YOU FEELING DEFINITE OF YOUR

DECISION TO HAVE AN ABORTION?

OH, DEFINITELY. OKAY.

AND CAN YOU TELL ME JUST A LITTLE BIT

ABOUT KIND OF WHAT INTO YOUR DECISION-MAKING,

HOW YOU MADE YOUR DECISION?

UM... JUST NOT A GOOD TIME IN MY LIFE...

EMOTIONALLY, FINANCIALLY, YOU KNOW.

I JUST MOVED INTO TO AN APARTMENT

AND I'VE NEVER LIVED ON MY OWN IN 28 YEARS, YOU KNOW, SO...

WOW. IT'S...

IT'S QUITE A CHANGE FOR ME. SO...

IT'S EXCITING. YEAH, IT'S EXCITING.

AND THEN SCARY AND, YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T...

I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN HANDLE IT YET,

I SURELY DON'T WANT TO BRING A BABY INTO THIS WORLD

NOT KNOWING, YOU KNOW.

YOU'RE ALWAYS SCARED OF THE UNCERTAIN, I GUESS.

OKAY. AND DO YOU HAVE SOMEONE HERE WITH YOU TODAY?

YEAH. OKAY.

AND THAT'S A SUPPORT PERSON FOR YOU,

SOMEONE WHO SUPPORTS YOUR DECISION?

MM-HMM. OKAY.

SOMETIMES IT'S GOOD TO HAVE SOMEBODY

TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE TLC AFTER.

IT CAN BE AN EMOTIONALLY STRESSFUL DAY.

YEAH. AND PHYSICALLY TOO.

SO JUST MAKE SURE HE TREATS YOU WELL AND...

OH, YEAH. YEAH. I KNOW HE WILL.

HAVE YOU EVER HAD ANY CONFLICTS WITH ABORTION AT ALL?

HAVE YOU EVER BEEN ANTI-ABORTION AT ALL?

NO. OKAY.

AND I JUST ASKED THAT TO SEE IF THERE...

YOU NEED ANY SPECIAL ATTENTION, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW,

HAVING EMOTIONAL NEEDS. OH.

DO YOU EXPECT TO REGRET YOUR DECISION AT ALL OR...

NO. OKAY.

JUST... UNLESS I...

I WOULD GUESS EVERYBODY KIND OF GOES,

YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH.

BUT, NO. A REGRET, NO.

OKAY. ONE OF THE THINGS

THAT I SOMETIMES SAY TO PEOPLE

IS THAT I FEEL LIKE A MISCARRIAGE IS WHAT HAPPENS

WHEN YOUR BODY'S NOT READY TO BE PREGNANT

AND AN ABORTION IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOUR...

THE REST OF YOU ISN'T READY.

EXACTLY.

AND SOMETIMES THAT HELPS PEOPLE WITH THE DECISION-MAKING.

YEAH.

AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT NOBODY

CAN DECIDE TODAY WHAT'S RIGHT FOR YOU.

YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS WHAT'S RIGHT FOR STACEY,

'CAUSE YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO KNOWS

WHAT STACEY'S GOING THROUGH AND WHAT STACEY'S LIFE IS LIKE.

SO I HOPE THAT YOU REMEMBER THAT.

OH, YEAH.

YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'RE MAKING THE DECISION

THAT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST TODAY?

OH, DEFINITELY. OKAY.

Reporter: IN AMHERST, NEW YORK,

DR. BARNETT SLEPIAN, WELL-KNOWN TO ANTI- ABORTION PROTESTORS,

WAS SHOT DEAD BY A SNIPER WHILE AT HOME

WITH HIS WIFE AND FOUR CHILDREN LAST NIGHT.

THE KILLING COMES JUST DAYS AFTER POLICE

HAD WARNED CLINIC WORKERS IN UPSTATE NEW YORK

ABOUT A PATTERN OF...

Reporter: IT WAS AN EXECUTION- STYLE KILLING.

ONE BULLET FIRED FROM A HIGH-POWERED RIFLE

SMASHED THROUGH THE KITCHEN WINDOW

OF DR. BARNETT SLEPIAN'S HOME...

Reporter: THE AUTHORITIES

ARE LOOKING FOR A WHITE CAR WITH CANADIAN LICENSE PLATES

THAT MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE KILLING.

DR. SLEPIAN WAS A PROVIDER OF SERVICES FOR WOMEN.

G.Y.N., OBSTETRICIAN SERVICES.

ONE OF THE SERVICES HE PROVIDED WAS ABORTION, AMONG MANY.

AND, BECAUSE OF THAT, HE WAS ASSASSINATED,

HE WAS EXECUTED IN HIS HOME BY A...

IF IT WAS ONE INDIVIDUAL,

IT WAS CERTAINLY A MEMBER OF AN ORGANIZATION

THAT CALLS THEMSELVES PRO-LIFE, PRO-FAMILY AND PRO-CHILD.

YET THEY KILL THE MAN IN FRONT OF HIS CHILDREN

AND THEY RIPPED APART A FAMILY BY VIOLENCE.

I FIND THAT THE ULTIMATE HYPOCRISY.

Woman: IT IS IMPORTANT

THAT THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE IS NEVER TURNED BACK.

BECAUSE THE PAINFUL MEMORIES THAT WOMEN CARRY,

THE SCARS THAT THEY HAVE TO HEAL THEMSELVES FROM

ARE SCARS THAT MEN WILL NEVER HAVE TO BEAR.

THOSE ASSASSINS WHO STAND IN THE SHADOWS

AND CLAIM THAT THEY BELIEVE IN FREEDOM

AND HUMAN RIGHTS AND LIFE,

THEY HAVE NO IDEA OF THE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS

THAT WOMEN GO THROUGH WHEN THEY ARE PREGNANT.

BECAUSE IF THEY DID,

THEY WOULD WANT US TO KEEP THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE.

IF THEY DID, THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

Crowd:

THEY WOULD BEAT DOWN THE DOORS OF THE ORPHANAGES

AND THEY WOULD GO IN THERE AND LITERALLY

TAKE EVERY CHILD HOME WITH THEM.

IF THEY REALLY AND TRUTHFULLY CARED,

INSTEAD OF STANDING OUTSIDE ABORTION CLINICS

AND INTIMIDATING WOMEN,

THEY WOULD BE TAKING THOSE WOMEN IN THEIR ARMS

AND SAYING, "COME HOME WITH ME

AND LET ME GIVE YOU SHELTER AND TIME TO THINK."

BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE CHOICES THAT WOMEN NEED.

THANK YOU.

IT'S EASY TO... TO SIT BACK

IN YOUR COMFORTABLE CHAIR AT HOME AND SAY,

"WELL, YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN DOING THAT,

SO, YEAH, SHE GOT WHAT SHE DESERVED."

AND, "HE'S OKAY FOR DOING THAT

BECAUSE HE WAS JUST DOING IT... KILLING FOR GOD."

WELL, I DON'T BELIEVE GOD PUT IT ANYWHERE

TO GO OUT AND KILL FOR HIM.

THAT'S WHAT MAKES ME ANGRY... ANGRIEST THE MOST,

IS THE LETTERS WE'VE GOTTEN FROM PEOPLE TELLING ME

TO BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE.

AND IF THEY'D KNOWN WHAT I'D ALREADY BEEN THROUGH

FOR THE PAST FEW WEEKS,

THEY'D ALREADY KNOW I'D ALREADY BEEN IN THAT LAKE OF FIRE.

I'M NOT ABOUT TO GO BACK.

I'M NOT.

MY NUMBER WAS NOT UP THAT DAY.

I'M NOT READY TO... TO BURN AGAIN.

AND I'M NOT READY FOR ANYBODY ELSE TO...

TO BURN ME AGAIN.

I THINK IT'S A FIGHT.

AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ABORTION.

I THINK IT'S... THE ISSUE IS OF CHOICE.

AND... AS I SAID EARLIER, THE FREEDOM OF THAT CHOICE.

AND... AND WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO,

IT'S YOUR CHOICE, IT'S LEGAL.

THAT... PEOPLE SHOULDN'T...

SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT FROM YOU.

SO YOU NEED TO FIGHT TO KEEP YOUR ABILITY

TO HAVE THAT CHOICE.

AND...

AND INFORMATION...

INFORMING PEOPLE.

IT MAY NOT CHANGE ANYBODY'S MIND ABOUT THE...

THE ISSUE AT HAND,

BUT AT LEAST YOU FEEL LIKE YOU'VE GONE OUT

AND DONE SOMETHING TO...

TO TRY AND PERSUADE SOMEBODY.

TO ENLIGHTEN THEM, BROADEN THEIR HORIZONS,

INSTEAD OF HAVING SUCH A... A CLOSED MIND.

BEFORE WE BEGIN,

I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO YOUR HEART AND LUNGS.

AND THAT'S JUST ROUTINE.

YOUR CHART IS IN ORDER, BUT I JUST CONFIRM THAT.

I'M GOING TO PUT THIS AT APPROXIMATELY

YOUR SECOND RIB THERE.

AND JUST BREATHE QUIETLY.

VERY GOOD.

AND I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO YOUR LUNGS.

TAKE A DEEP BREATH PLEASE, STACEY,

AND THEN EXHALE.

EXCELLENT. YEAH, YOU'RE PRETTY HEALTHY.

Nurse: AND THEN BLOW, BLOW, BLOW,

HARD, HARD. OH... OH...

OKAY, GOOD. OH, GOD.

SQUEEZE HERE.

YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL THOSE CRAMPS, REMEMBER,

THAT'S YOUR UTERUS SHRINKING BACK DOWN.

GOOD. OKAY, DO THE BREATHING.

BLOW, BLOW, BLOW. OKAY?

HOLD IT. HOLD IT. HOLD IT. HOLD IT. HOLD IT. HOLD IT.

AND THEN BLOW, BLOW, BLOW, BLOW, BLOW.

Stacey:

Nurse: HOLD IT. HOLD IT. HOLD IT. HOLD IT.

BLOW, BLOW, BLOW. BLOW IT OUT. BLOW IT OUT.

GOOD.

OKAY, WE'RE ALMOST THERE.

YOU'RE MOSTLY DONE. OKAY?

Doctor: STACEY, IT'S DONE.

NO COMPLICATIONS.

OKAY. AN AVERAGE AMOUNT OF BLEEDING.

Nurse: DID I SQUEEZE YOUR HAND TOO HARD?

Stacey: NO, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT YOU.

Nurse: NO, NO, NO,

THAT'S WHAT MY HAND IS FOR.

...IT WILL PROTECT YOU FROM DISEASE. OW...

THIS IS THE SPECULUM COMING OUT. HOW'S THAT, BETTER?

MUCH. OKAY.

Kissling: AS PART OF RUNNING A CLINIC

AND BEING THE DIRECTOR OF A CLINIC,

I PARTICIPATED IN... WENT INTO THE PROCEDURE ROOM,

INTO THE OPERATING ROOM WITH MANY WOMEN.

HELD MANY, MANY HANDS.

FELT THE TENSION THAT EACH WOMAN WAS EXPERIENCING

PASS FROM HER BODY INTO MY BODY.

SAW THE ANGUISH THAT MANY WOMEN FELT.

I... I NEVER... YOU KNOW, I MEAN...

PEOPLE TALK NOW ABOUT...

PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO EXPERIENCE OF ABORTION,

WHO HAVE NO EXPERIENCE OF HOW WOMEN FEEL,

OF WHAT THEY ARE GOING THROUGH...

TALK ABOUT THIS AS SOMETHING THAT WOMEN DO IN A WAY THAT...

THAT IS DISEMBODIED FROM THEIR VALUES.

THAT WOMEN DON'T THINK ABOUT THEIR DECISION.

I NEVER MET A WOMAN...

AND I MET THOUSANDS OF WOMEN IN THE '70s

WHO WERE HAVING ABORTIONS...

I NEVER MET A WOMAN WHO DID NOT TAKE ABORTION SERIOUSLY.

I CERTAINLY MET A LOT OF WOMEN WHO PUT ON BRAVE FACES,

WHO WERE CASUAL IN THE WAITING ROOM.

BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHEN YOU GOT INTO THE PROCEDURE ROOM

WHERE THE ABORTION WAS GOING TO BE PERFORMED,

THAT YOU COULD TELL THAT EACH AND EVERY WOMAN

WAS TAKING THAT DECISION SERIOUSLY.

AND EACH AND EVERY WOMAN

WAS DOING THE BEST THAT SHE COULD DO

WITH A DIFFICULT HAND THAT SHE HAD BEEN DEALT.

AND IT WAS... IT WAS AND IS, FOR ME,

HUMBLING TO THINK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE...

IT DOES... IT DOES HELP YOU...

IT DID HELP ME TO LEARN NOT TO JUDGE

OTHER PEOPLE'S DECISIONS BASED UPON EXTERIORS.

THAT... THAT THE INNER LIFE AND THE THINKING OF WOMEN IS...

IS INDEED VERY, VERY PROFOUND AND VERY IMPORTANT.

UM...

I'M ALL DONE AND I'M EXHAUSTED AND...

I'M... AGITATED AND I NEED A CIGARETTE VERY BAD.

I CAN'T SMOKE IN HERE ANYWAY.

UM...

JUST TIRED,

DRAINED EMOTIONALLY AND PHYSICALLY AND...

UM, HAD A LITTLE CRAMPING.

I DON'T KNOW.

LOTS OF THOUGHTS.

MAYBE A LITTLE RELIEVED...

AND NOW IT'S TIME TO JUST...

IT'S JUST BEEN A REALLY LONG DAY.

I JUST NEED TO GO HOME AND GET ON WITH MY LIFE.

I KNOW I MADE THE RIGHT DECISION,

BUT IT'S STILL NOT EASY.

MUCH BETTER.

NO, IT'S MORE IN MY HEART THAN IN MY STOMACH NOW.

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