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I'm a long way north,
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about as far north as people live on
planet Earth.
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This is the Norwegian archipelago of
Svalbard.
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I'm travelling south from here
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around one of the most beautiful and
interesting regions of the world -
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Scandinavia.
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On the rugged edge of Europe
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I'm visiting five Nordic countries...
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Incredible, it's incredible.
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..travelling through glorious forests
and spectacular fjords.
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I think Norway has a solid claim
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to be the most beautiful country in
the world.
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I mean, look at it!
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Wow. Dogs pulling a car.
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It's more than half a million square
miles of extremes.
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This is low, Bent, this is low.
- This is my life.
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- Someone's holding on to me, yeah?
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- Now breathe, breathe.
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- Off we go.
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- I'm hoping to understand how they've
built
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some of the happiest societies on the
planet...
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Hey, guys.
- Morning.
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- Good morning.
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And who have we got here? Wha...?
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- Hello!
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- Welcome, welcome.
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- This is the most traditional Danish
lunch I have seen.
- Yes.
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- ..and why they now feel they're in
the firing line.
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SantaPark is a nuclear bunker?
- Yes, very much so.
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- They are preparing to defend
Finland.
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- GUNFIRE
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Bloody hell.
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You're wearing these in urban Sweden?
- Yes.
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- There's another side to Scandinavia.
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- Ready to fire.
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- LOUD BANG
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I'm travelling through the Scandi
countries
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of Sweden, Denmark and Norway,
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and adding in the wider Nordic family,
as well -
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Finland and Iceland.
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I'm starting here off the Svalbard
archipelago,
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the most northerly outpost of Norway.
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- Do you see it?
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- I do, you know.
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Frida, what is it?
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So it's a blue fox
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A blue fox?
- Yeah.
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It's a genetic mutation in the polar
foxes
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and it's actually really rare.
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It's more rare to see a blue fox than
to see a polar bear.
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- Look at it bouncing along.
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- Yeah!
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- You're smiling, as well.
- Yeah, super nice!
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- Frida Schatvet left behind life as a
nurse in mainland Norway
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to explore and protect the natural
wonders of Svalbard
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on this scientific research boat.
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How often have you seen a blue fox?
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- Seen it three times, four times.
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- Three, in how many years?
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- I've been here almost eight years.
- Whoa!
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We are very lucky.
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You can clearly see the fox bolting up
the hill
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just above three reindeer.
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- There's loads more reindeer in the
hillside.
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- Scandinavians first came here in
numbers to hunt reindeer and seals
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for their meat and skin, and even
polar bears for their fur.
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Most of all, they came to plunder the
riches of the ocean.
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Whale! Whale, straight ahead.
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It was whales that first drew settlers
here in the 1600s.
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There was a huge population of whales
around Svalbard,
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and in one of the first great oil
rushes,
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the whales were hunted for their oil
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to use in soaps and as a fuel in
lamps.
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Thousands of whales were slaughtered.
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The fin whale is one of the largest
animals ever.
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Unfortunately for the species,
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each can yield more than 1,000 gallons
of whale oil -
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enough to fuel thousands of old lamps.
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Quick performance and then it's gone.
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Hence the hunting.
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But hunting bans were put in place on
Svalbard from the 1950s.
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Numbers of polar bears and marine
mammals, including whales,
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have increased dramatically over the
decades.
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It's proved a simple but successful
strategy.
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Turns out, one of the best ways to
conserve endangered animals
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is just to stop killing them.
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As an outpost of Scandinavia,
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Svalbard is a long way north,
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roughly halfway between the Norwegian
mainland
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and the North Pole.
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The temperature up here can drop to
minus 30.
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There are no trees, hardly anything
grows here.
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But there are people.
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Scientists, biologists, researchers
and tourism industry workers,
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a couple of thousand hardy souls call
this place home.
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So, this is the settlement of
Longyearbyen.
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It is the most northerly town in the
world
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with more than 1,000 inhabitants.
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It's a little bit late now,
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but in the morning Frida's going to
show me around.
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This is very Svalbard, I think.
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- Yeah.
- Not a car park, but a Ski-Doo park.
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- Yeah. Everyone has a snowmobile.
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- When you moved here, what were some
of the big surprises?
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- It is a very tight-knit community.
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I mean, we have a hospital on the
island, but it's very tiny,
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and you don't want to take a risk with
newborn babies.
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So, all the pregnant women, they get
shipped down to the mainland,
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Norway, to give birth almost four
weeks before.
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- Right.
- And, I mean, you can't really
control where you die,
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but you can't be buried here even if
you wanted to.
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- You can't be buried here?
- Not at all, no.
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- Oh, because...?
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- Yeah, because the permafrost won't
decompose your body.
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So, we've seen now, over time, as
well, that a lot of the whalers,
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officials that have been buried many
years ago,
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their caskets and bodies are just
being pushed up...
- Oh, my goodness.
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- ..by the permafrost.
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- Lovely.
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You can't be born here and you can't
be buried either -
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and life in between is spent in the
freezer zone.
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So, what keeps people here?
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It's raw, rugged, and there's
adventure
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and the Norwegians also sweeten the
deal with low tax rates and no VAT.
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That's got to help.
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Wow, dogs pulling a car.
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They're training?
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Svalbard!
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Norway has wanted to keep a viable
community here.
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It's keen to maintain a strong
presence.
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For decades, one of the main reasons
that people were on Svalbard
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was mining.
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And this is one of the last coal mines
on Svalbard.
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Coal from here fuelled the power
station which generates electricity,
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and it also helped create a strong
local community
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of workers and families.
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SPEAKS NORWEGIAN
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Bent Jakobsen and hundreds of other
miners have done the tough work -
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yet not for much longer.
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- We're going to get in the car.
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You'll see, we're going to drive down
on the low seam.
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- How deep in the mountain are we now?
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- We are 6km inside the mountain
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and we have 350m of mountains over our
heads now.
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- Flippin' heck.
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- OK, let's go.
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Take a seat.
- All right.
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- There is only one rule when we're
driving.
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As long as you keep your head lower
than the bar, you're fine.
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- I was just planning on keeping my
head lower than you!
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- A fun thing, when I have people in
the mine,
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they start up here and then they're
like this.
- Right.
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OK. About here.
- You will know when we get in there.
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- All right, all right.
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I'm taking it seriously.
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- BELL DINGS
- Good. I'll ring the bell.
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Bloody hell, Bent, this is low, isn't
it?
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- No, this is quite high, actually.
- Really?
- Yes.
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It's going to get lower, so keep your
head down.
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- OK, now it's low.
- Like, this is low.
- This is low, Bent, this is low.
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- The thing when you start working
here,
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either you love it or you hate it.
There's nothing in between.
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- And you loved it right from the
beginning?
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- This is my life.
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- Oh, goodness, we're right at the
end.
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- If you step out on the right side,
I'll show you something.
- OK.
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- This is actually like a mining
tunnel.
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Actually, here you see the coal seam.
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Grab a hand of coal if you want.
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- This is the compressed value
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of sunlight and plants,
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flowers, trees,
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has been your life, Bent.
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- Yes, it has.
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- For so long.
- Yeah.
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But soon coming to an end.
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- How do you feel about that?
- Yeah, of course it's sad.
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It's a long, proud tradition of
miners,
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or mining that's going to be gone.
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- And the reason?
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- First of all, we don't have actually
enough good quality coal,
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that's one thing. And another one is
the green shift is here also.
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So, mining is not, or should I say,
not very popular any more.
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- And so ends a tradition of mining
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not just for you or your family, but
for this community.
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- Yeah, we are 70 guys, that's out of
work or out of a job.
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Yeah, we're done. So...
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- What will you do?
- I have no idea.
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We'll see.
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I'll probably get a job somewhere.
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- The mine closure is tough for Bent,
and Svalbard.
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Despite a growing tourism industry,
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fewer people here are permanent
residents -
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and that's not great news for Norway,
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which is desperate to maintain control
over Svalbard,
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because as the Arctic warms and melts,
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Svalbard's situated in a globally
strategic position,
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on an increasingly important shipping
lane
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with huge mineral resources and
fishing in the ocean around.
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Other countries want a slice,
including Russia.
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Under international agreements, Norway
is in charge of Svalbard
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but it has to share Svalbard with
other countries.
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That can lead to tensions.
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I'm off to meet the neighbours.
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Russians have been coming to Svalbard
for centuries,
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hunting furs originally.
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In 1920, a treaty was signed in Paris
giving Svalbard to Norway,
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but Russians are among those allowed
to travel here without visas
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and to settle here.
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There are whole Russian towns.
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I have to say, I'm feeling quite
apprehensive
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about going to this community.
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It's called Barentsburg.
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This is a Russian outpost,
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a Russian base,
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a settlement up here in the very far
north.
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There were relations between the
Russian settlement
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and the main Norwegian community here.
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And then Russia invaded Ukraine
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and relationships here have got
decidedly frosty.
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Russia recently downgraded Norway as a
country from unfriendly
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to very unfriendly.
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Russia is THE dominant power in the
Arctic.
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President Putin has claimed as it
melts, natural resources
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like oil and gas, worth trillions,
will become available
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so Russia's been upgrading its naval
forces
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and building bases across the Arctic.
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All right, just need to work out
what's going on
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and what we can film, and then...
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..hopefully, we can get a sense of the
place.
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They're flying the bloody Soviet flag
here.
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That's astonishing.
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There's a coal mine on the Russian
side too,
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owned by the state-owned mining
company which also controls
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almost everything else in the town.
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I headed for the mining company HQ
where the general director
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had agreed to meet me.
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Or so I thought.
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Hi. Darea?
- Daria.
- Daria, Simon.
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- Now we're going to have a short
meeting with general director.
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- OK. All right.
- Welcome.
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- It turned out the general director
had had a change of heart.
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- And I think it's better to leave the
equipment outside the office
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because he doesn't want that you
can...
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- He doesn't want to be filmed?
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Well, that was weird.
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It was a sort of slightly farcical
situation.
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If you're going to design a Russian
bureaucrat
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who's living in the middle of nowhere,
it would be him.
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Big office, big table,
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very starched, white ironed shirt and
a tie,
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photograph of President Putin there,
looked very stern.
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Basically, he won't talk to us and
he's palmed us off
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to a young interpreter.
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At least she's going to show us
around.
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I felt a bit guilty Daria had been
lumbered with us -
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but it turned out it wasn't her first
rodeo.
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She took me straight to the number one
tourist site.
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- Well, usually...
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..journalists stop here and...
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..make the interview on this spot.
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- We've got a statue of Lenin here.
- Mm.
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- Still standing.
- Still standing.
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- Looking around, and we can very
clearly see
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Russia is definitely back here and
there is a sizeable community.
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What is the plan? What is the future
for Barentsburg?
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- For sure, we will continue coal
mining
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and develop tourism.
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So we're trying to make this place as
attractive as possible
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- LOUD ENGINE RUMBLES
for tourists.
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So, the tourism boycott and Western
sanctions,
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the plan is not to shut this place
down,
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you are actually expanding it
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and you are hoping more people will
come.
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- Mm. Yeah, that's true.
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A lot of people are romantics, you
know,
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who come here - or adventurous,
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because they want to travel around the
world,
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see as many places as possible.
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- What's he saying?
- He says some rude words.
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Just don't pay attention.
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I don't think that they are locals.
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I have never seen them here before.
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- Hmm, well, I've heard worse.
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Like Norway, the Kremlin wants
Russians to settle here
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and they've stumped-up for spanking
new facilities
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to act as encouragement.
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- This is our swimming pool.
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- Oh, my good lord.
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It is not cheap.
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It costs a lot of money to do this,
doesn't it?
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- Yeah. But it is free for locals.
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We swim here for free.
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- Despite sanctions, some suggest
Russia still makes
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half a billion pounds a day in oil and
gas exports.
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They've got money and have plans for
more investment in Svalbard,
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including a science complex involving
China and Iran.
298
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Meanwhile, the Russian Navy plies the
seas around Svalbard,
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and the Kremlin now questions how
Norway runs the islands.
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It's good vodka.
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Russia has also been accused of
sabotaging
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critical undersea internet cables here
and right around Scandinavia.
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There's lots going on here that feels
like it's out of the pages
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of a Cold War spy thriller.
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One of the communication cables
linking Svalbard
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to the outside world was cut not long
ago.
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And the prime suspect is a Russian
fishing trawler
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that was tracked going backwards and
forwards over the cable
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that runs under the sea about 100
times.
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It feels like there is a bit of a
scramble for the far north,
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for the mineral wealth that is up
here.
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But also, just to have this land as
real estate, really,
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because controlling it means you can
control access
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to the North Atlantic.
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And for Russia's naval fleet,
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they need to come round the top of
Scandinavia
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to get into the North Atlantic.
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They need to come pretty close to
Svalbard.
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Remember, Russia is just across the
border from Scandinavia,
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and many Scandinavians really feel
that presence.
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Russia has denied allegations of
interference.
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It was time to leave Svalbard.
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In mid-winter, I travelled to Lapland
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in the northernmost region of Finland.
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It's one of the wildest areas of
Europe.
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It looks utterly ethereal
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in the early morning light.
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Incredible. Incredible.
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I was heading towards the edge of
Europe -
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Finland's historically bloody border
with Russia,
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Europe's longest at more than 800
miles.
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It was brutally cold, minus 30
centigrade.
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The moisture in my nose is freezing
up.
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This is a very tough time of year
335
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in a very tough part of the world.
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The cold, the bitter cold,
337
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it seeps through every gap and crevice
in your clothing.
338
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I've lost my guide, I can't see him
ahead.
339
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I'd better speed up.
340
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A history of war looms over this
magical frozen wilderness.
341
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Time and again, Finland has been
invaded from the east.
342
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Under Russian Tsar Peter the Great,
horrific atrocities
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committed against the Finns became
known as the Great Wrath.
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During World War II, the Soviet Red
Army invaded,
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and Finland sided with Germany.
346
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In the Cold War that followed the
country became neutral,
347
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always nervously watching the Russian
bear next door.
348
00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:29,400
Oh!
349
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- OK, Simon, this is as far as we can
go.
350
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The Russia border is just right over
there, 150 metres.
351
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- It's just there.
- Yes, just there,
352
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and there's nothing between us and the
border.
353
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:46,400
- Since Russia's full-scale invasion
of Ukraine in 2022,
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tensions have ramped up.
355
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There's a sign up here.
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Border Zone.
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There's no fence.
358
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,040
but it's very definitely a border now
-
359
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a closed border, as well,
360
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,960
for many months.
361
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:16,400
Opinion polls in Finland show that
more than 80% of Finns
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fear and think that Russia poses a
military threat to the country.
363
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The Finns say Russia has weaponised
this border
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by bussing hundreds of migrants and
refugees here
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and encouraging them to cross, in an
attempt to destabilise Finland.
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The border's now permanently shut.
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The gates closed.
368
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,440
Even in magical Lapland, thoughts and
fears about future conflict
369
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are never that far way.
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As I found when I travelled west.
371
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PEOPLE LAUGH AND CHEER
372
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This is very strange.
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It's not Christmas,
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00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:06,560
but it is here, 365 days of the year.
375
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,880
They now make huge amounts of money
here in Lapland
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00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,960
and attract hundreds of thousands of
tourists every single year
377
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:20,520
by branding Lapland as the real home
of Father Christmas -
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00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,360
despite the fact that we are hundreds
of miles away here
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00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:26,480
from the North Pole, which is where I
rather stupidly thought
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Father Christmas actually lives.
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This is called Santa's Village.
382
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,920
There's been fierce competition from
towns in Sweden, Norway, Greenland
383
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,520
and Alaska to be seen as the authentic
home
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of Santa Claus - Father Christmas.
385
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,280
But it's here, Rovaniemi in Finland,
that seems to be the winner.
386
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,560
Billions have been invested here,
387
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,800
and tourists now come from around the
world.
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00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:58,040
Yeah, it is pretty damn impressive,
really,
389
00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:03,600
that the Finns have built this luxury
tourism economy here
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00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,920
in a very hostile, extreme
environment.
391
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,320
At the end of the Second World War,
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large parts of their towns and cities
393
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,240
were reduced to ash and rubble,
394
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,040
and they were really poor,
395
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,040
and they have built one of the most
extraordinary countries
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00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:21,880
on planet Earth.
397
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,040
Dozens of Santa-themed resorts and
attractions
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00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:37,240
have sprung up around Rovaniemi.
399
00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,080
This one's called Santa Claus Secret
Forest,
400
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,320
set up by local businessman Ilkka
Lankinen.
401
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,640
Ilkka?
- Yes.
402
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,960
- Ilkka, hello.
- Hello, hello, good morning.
403
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,000
- Simon Reeve.
- Good morning.
- Is it possible to come in?
- Yeah.
404
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,160
Hey, good morning, good morning.
Welcome, welcome.
- Good morning.
405
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:00,960
What brought you to Lapland?
406
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,800
- I came here to study forestry,
407
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,320
and forestry is still quite big here
in Finland and Lapland.
408
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,720
- Forestry is a massive industry in
Finland, isn't it?
409
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:15,400
- It is.
- I read that you have 13,000 trees
per person.
410
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,720
- Yes, but travel and tourism industry
is larger than the forest industry -
411
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,080
and that's something that people don't
many times realise,
412
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,120
but this is much larger than the
forest industry.
- Wow.
413
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,000
You've really managed to turn Lapland
into...
414
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,480
..some would see it as the ultimate
Christmas experience, really.
415
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,320
- Yes, we are creating the best
Christmas experiences in the world.
416
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,960
- And what have we got here? Wha...?
417
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:41,680
- Hello!
418
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,320
- Welcome, welcome.
419
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,640
Oh, yes!
- Oh, yes!
- Oh, yes! Are you all right?
420
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,040
- I think so.
- Oh!
421
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,640
- I'm surprised to see you.
422
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,440
- Why? You didn't expect elves in the
forest?
423
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,760
- No, I didn't expect elves in the
forest.
424
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,160
How stupid of me!
425
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,880
- Right here, we are in front of one
of our toy factories.
426
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,920
- Go. He's got a sharp knife, just in
case.
427
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,600
This is what I would have imagined.
428
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,120
- Ah!
- Yes.
429
00:24:10,120 --> 00:24:12,320
- Santa's toy factory to be.
430
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,000
- Yes.
431
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,120
Come, we go this way.
- We'll go this way quickly.
432
00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:18,360
- Hello.
- What an honour to see you here.
433
00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:20,760
- It's nice and warm here.
434
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,320
- It's definitely nice and warm.
435
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,800
There is a significant risk of us
overheating in here, Ilkka.
436
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,640
- Well, it's not that hot.
437
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,560
And, you know, besides, you can always
take a step outside,
438
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,480
and then I think that problem would
disappear quite quickly.
439
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,200
- You are so right.
440
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,680
- Since you are here in Lapland,
441
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,360
maybe we should give you a little
reminder of our meeting.
442
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:43,480
So, here's a little remin...
- Thank you very much.
443
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,080
- This is our fluffiest reindeer that
they'll be able to make here.
444
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,280
- This is, this is indeed a very
fluffy reindeer.
- Yes.
445
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,480
- Thank you very much indeed.
- You're very welcome.
446
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:58,640
- Oh, wow.
447
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,680
Ilkka's stuck with the theme.
448
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,200
He also owns SantaPark, an underground
shopping centre
449
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,280
where visitors from around the world
can meet Father Christmas
450
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,920
and his army of little helpers.
451
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,960
But there's a little bit more to this
grotto
452
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,960
than reindeer and Christmas stockings.
453
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,840
- Going to show you something that I
normally won't share,
454
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,840
but let's have a quick peek.
455
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,360
- Literally behind the sign.
456
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,200
- So now we are actually entering for
the restricted kind of space.
457
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,080
I mean, if you look at the doors.
458
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,640
- Oh, my goodness, look at the size of
that beast!
459
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:39,960
- And it's made from 50mm steel -
460
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,360
and this is the first set of doors.
461
00:25:42,360 --> 00:25:43,960
- This is...
462
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,080
This is a bunker?
- Yes.
463
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,200
Nothing, no missile or anything can
penetrate this.
464
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,160
- SantaPark is also a nuclear bunker?
465
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,680
- Yes, very much so.
466
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,920
- Oh, my good lordy.
467
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,040
So how far do the tunnels extend?
468
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:04,600
- About 400 metres.
469
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,200
And we have several sets of tunnels,
because in the case of emergency,
470
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,800
you have to get in the people, you
have to get in all the supplies
471
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:15,280
and everything. So you can drive a
semi-truck inside here.
472
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:16,960
- An articulated lorry?
473
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,960
- Yes, yes.
- My goodness.
474
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,280
How many people can you house here?
475
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,640
- Over 3,000. 3,400.
476
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,280
- So, you have, presumably, the kit,
equipment,
477
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,520
bedding, food and stores here for
that.
478
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,280
- Bedding, toilets, dry toilets.
479
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,440
We have our own water supplies,
480
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,960
we have our own waste supplies.
481
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,200
And Finns are always prepared,
482
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,400
because we must have a shelter for all
the Finns -
483
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,960
but Finns are also very creative
484
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,000
because if we would not have SantaPark
here, then the city people
485
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,760
will pay for the heating and
electricity and everything.
486
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,000
So, we have utilised all the shelters
for swimming pools,
487
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,320
tennis, swimming centres, tennis
places, inside tracks.
488
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,760
And this happened to be the Christmas
Santa's home cavern.
489
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,080
- So go to a swimming pool in Finland
490
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,800
and you may well actually be inside...
491
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,240
- A shelter.
- A shelter...
- A public shelter, yes.
492
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,080
- ..from a nuclear war.
- Yes, yes.
493
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:13,880
- Across Finland, there are more than
50,000 bunkers
494
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,480
to shelter almost the entire
population of more than five million
495
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,080
in the event of war.
496
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,440
- We're not going to go any further.
497
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,200
- This is another exit, entrance to
the bunker?
- Yes, yes.
498
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,640
- DOOR SLAMS
499
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,400
Like a huge number of Finns of all
backgrounds,
500
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,800
Ilkka's also an army reservist, an
officer.
501
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,840
He trains at a local rifle range.
502
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,680
- So, we're going to take a big, big
boy.
503
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,120
- OK, right.
504
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,040
So, what have you got in here?
505
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,160
- This is what we call long distance
rifle.
506
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,440
- There are hundreds of shooting
ranges across Finland,
507
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,320
and for national defence the
government's opening 300 more.
508
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,120
Finns have one of the highest rates of
gun ownership,
509
00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,880
after countries like the US and Yemen.
510
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:07,960
Morning.
511
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,840
- Good morning.
- Good morning.
- This is Janne.
- Janne.
512
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,520
- Janne, Simon. Lovely to see you.
- Hello.
- Hello.
513
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,880
Yanne is a university lecturer and
also an army reservist.
514
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,960
It's the sheer number of reservists in
the Finnish Armed Forces
515
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:27,000
that make their military huge in terms
of numbers.
516
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,640
They have a military -
517
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,960
total military, combined, including
reserves -
518
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,720
of nearly 900,000.
519
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,280
That's five times the size of the UK's
Armed Forces
520
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,760
of around 180,000,
521
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,160
even though the UK's population is 12
times larger than Finland's.
522
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,800
LOUD GUNSHOT
523
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,720
It's almost like a piece of artillery.
524
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,160
Very powerful.
525
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,840
LOUD GUNSHOT
526
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920
I think what really surprises me
527
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,600
about your armed reserve is just the
scale of it.
528
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,480
- Some might call Finland the Sparta
of the North.
529
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,840
I think the model is that the civil
society defends itself,
530
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,200
not outsourcing it.
531
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,600
So, everyone's responsible for the
society.
532
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,280
- And you've got the Finnish flag and
you've got the Freedom Flag as well.
533
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,000
- Yeah. And when I talked about the
society taking responsibility
534
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,840
of defending itself, I think that
covers all of your values.
535
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:34,320
So, for example, if one of these
things is part of your values,
536
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,800
if you're not ready to defend them,
even with violence,
537
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,640
do you really believe in them?
538
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,440
Are they values or are they just
opinions?
539
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,120
- You're saying if you believe in the
values of the Freedom Flag,
540
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,600
then you need to be willing to defend
those.
541
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,080
- Yeah, exactly.
542
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,480
- And that is a possibility.
543
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,280
- Unfortunately so, yeah.
544
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,560
- RAPID GUNFIRE
545
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,760
It might seem unthinkable elsewhere in
Western Europe,
546
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,360
but they fear war here.
547
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,440
It's happened before,
548
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,920
and, as a result, Finland is a highly
militarised country.
549
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,360
There's conscription.
550
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,640
Each year, more than 20,000 young men
and women
551
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,280
head off for military training.
552
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,080
I'm really quite moved by this.
553
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,600
Just seeing these youngsters marching
across.
554
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,360
People's sons.
555
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,440
People's daughters.
556
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,280
National Service is compulsory for
men, voluntary for women.
557
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:43,040
When it's finished they join the
reserves and are liable
558
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,520
to be called up for refresher training
until the age of 50.
559
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,920
It's a doctrine of total defence.
560
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,080
Under the Finnish constitution,
561
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,240
all citizens have a duty to defend the
nation.
562
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,560
This is total belief in the country,
563
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,640
trust in the state.
564
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,920
Trust that the state will do the right
thing
565
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:06,640
and the state will, through its
people, protect everyone.
566
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:13,040
Surveys have shown 80% of Finns
support compulsory National Service.
567
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,720
SIMON CHUCKLES
568
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,560
It is quite something to see.
569
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,280
I've come to see the Jaeger Brigade,
an elite Arctic warfare unit.
570
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,840
They're in charge of training green
young conscripts
571
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,200
in cold weather combat.
572
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,160
INSTRUCTS IN FINNISH
573
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Youngsters leave behind
574
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,120
often comfortable, warm lives in
cities and towns
575
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,960
to be turned into soldiers.
576
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,760
GUNFIRE
577
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Are you happy with that?
578
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,600
- Well, it was the first time.
579
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,640
I'm not happy for every individual.
580
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,880
But anyway, they are doing what they
should do at the moment, yeah.
581
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,360
- So this is their first time shooting
from skis?
582
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,720
- Yeah, I think so.
583
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,800
At least it looked like it was.
- Right.
584
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,200
But they're also, they're less
familiar with skis
585
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,520
and they're more familiar with central
heating.
586
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,360
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. And telephones and
so on.
587
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:18,560
- Yeah!
- Yeah.
588
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Well, they are preparing to defend
Finland.
589
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,960
That is the purpose for the whole
thing.
590
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,400
- In opinion polls, more than 80% of
all Finns
591
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,840
say they'd defend their country.
592
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,960
In a similar poll of Brits, it was
only 35%.
593
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,000
What is it about Finland that means
you feel such a part of the country
594
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,920
that you are willing to defend it in
that way?
595
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,400
- We all love Finland, even if it's
cold, even if it's dark.
596
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,160
- It feels like it's our obligation to
defend the country.
597
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,840
In my opinion, the greatest country in
the world
598
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,200
and something to defend.
599
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,200
I mean, we have a very good standard
of living,
600
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,800
best education, and we are wealthy
601
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,080
and we have gotten everything we ever
could ask for from Finland.
602
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,000
So it's only right that we defend it.
603
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,560
- After the invasion of Ukraine,
604
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:17,320
Finland and neighbouring Sweden have
joined the NATO military alliance,
605
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,840
as protection from the Russian threat.
606
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,680
But the Finns are their own force to
be reckoned with.
607
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,520
Apart from a massive army, they have
the largest artillery force
608
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:30,400
in Western Europe - hundreds of huge
howitzers.
609
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,920
But they also bring something less
easy to rate and measure -
610
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,320
passion, patriotism and knowledge.
611
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,440
What they're teaching the conscripts
here
612
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,600
isn't just how to be a soldier,
613
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,440
it's how to survive
614
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,680
in these extremely harsh conditions.
615
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,880
The Jaeger Brigade teach Arctic
warfare to soldiers
616
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,080
from other NATO countries, including
the UK and US.
617
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,240
Bloody hell.
618
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:12,560
- Students are learning how to rescue
themselves
619
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,480
in case if they go through the weak
ice.
620
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,400
- INSTRUCTOR SPEAKS FINNISH
621
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:24,640
Tell us about this word, this Finnish
word, "sisu".
622
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,720
- Sisu.
- What does it mean?
623
00:34:27,720 --> 00:34:30,840
- Ah, I guess it's sort of a...
624
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,400
..some kind of a Finnish version of
some kind of grit.
625
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,920
- Grit.
- Grit, or something like that.
626
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,160
That's probably the closest English
word.
627
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:40,760
- Guts.
- Guts, yes.
628
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,080
- It's a big thing in Finland and it's
something you try to cultivate?
629
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,760
- Yeah. Yeah.
630
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,040
This is one example.
631
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,400
- Yeah.
- This is sisu.
632
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:52,400
- This is proper sisu.
- Yeah, yeah.
633
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,520
- They're pretty quiet when they go
in.
634
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,120
They're doing well.
635
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,000
- Screaming doesn't help.
- Screaming doesn't...!
636
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,640
SIMON LAUGHS
637
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,920
Maybe we all need a bit of extra sisu.
638
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,760
Oh, my God.
639
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,320
Little bit of me is keen to test
myself.
640
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,240
And a lot of me is definitely not.
641
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,160
- Last time we met, you were smiling.
642
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,760
Do I see you smiling again?
643
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,520
- Well, sort of.
644
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,480
- Of course, because this is
absolutely great fun.
645
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,000
- Yeah, that's exactly the phrase I
would use.
646
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,400
- Put this on one shoulder.
- Oh, my God.
647
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,160
- OK, are you ready?
648
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,120
- Somebody's holding on to me, yeah?
649
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,120
- Are you ready?
- Ah, yeah, I think so.
650
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,000
- You can go.
- Is anyone ever?
651
00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:57,640
Oh, my God.
652
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,520
- Now breathe, breathe.
653
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,200
Good.
654
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,160
Bring your backpack here.
655
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,560
- SIMON BREATHES DEEPLY
656
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,040
- Yes, like that.
657
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,120
Get your skis.
- Oh, my God.
658
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,400
- Both skis.
659
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,000
- Ah, it's really sharp.
660
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,360
- Take your pole.
661
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,080
Now, use your arms, use your legs.
662
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,840
Exactly like that.
663
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,360
Almost there.
664
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,040
Keep moving, keep crawling.
665
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,400
Little bit more.
666
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,160
Remove the rope.
667
00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:37,200
Good job, good job.
- Thank you, guys.
668
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,000
Oh!
- All right, Simon?
669
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,160
- Now, get warm.
- Yeah.
- OK.
670
00:36:45,240 --> 00:36:48,360
The Finns, they're a little bit
bonkers
671
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,200
but they really believe in this sisu.
672
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,240
And you know what? They start them
young.
673
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Patriotism and a whopping army aren't
what most of us associate
674
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,000
with Scandinavia and the wider region.
675
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,200
Just like its Scandi neighbours,
Finland also cherishes
676
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:15,000
liberal values like gender equality,
gay rights
677
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,760
and a generous welfare state.
678
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,560
As a country, it scores near the top
for wealth, health and happiness.
679
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,440
And they start encouraging all those
Nordic values,
680
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,600
plus a dose of sisu, even in their
toddlers.
681
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,880
They've very kindly let us come and
see a Finnish school.
682
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,120
It is minus 18 Centigrade.
683
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,880
CHILDREN:
- Good morning.
684
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,840
Welcome to Salla.
685
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,760
- Hello to you. Look, a lovely wave.
686
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,160
Hello, hello, hello!
687
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,680
- They're asking if you are coming
with us to the forest?
688
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,240
- Yes!
689
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,240
These three- to six-year-olds are off
out to forest school -
690
00:37:55,240 --> 00:37:57,200
hours outside.
691
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,440
The head teacher, Josefiina Marola,
692
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,880
only takes them inside when the
temperature drops below
693
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,920
minus 30 degrees.
694
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,560
They're different in Finland.
695
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,640
It is a little surprising to me to
see...
696
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,120
..really, really young children going
off in these conditions.
697
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:18,080
But...they have just a different
mentality in Finland.
698
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,920
- It's a matter of wearing enough
layers.
699
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,120
It's not really cold, like, right now.
700
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,320
- No, I've got about 47 layers on.
701
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,200
If you can go to that sort of level,
then, yeah.
- But you can...
702
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,400
- You can be OK.
- ..put 47 layers on, and you will be
fine.
- Yes.
703
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:35,920
CHILDREN SHRIEK
704
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,880
Formal education here doesn't start
until kids are seven.
705
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,960
Before that they're playing.
706
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,000
In Finland, it's all about the great
outdoors,
707
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,120
about getting mucky and not endless
worrying about health and safety.
708
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,960
What are the advantages of raising
children this way?
709
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,800
- They don't get sick.
710
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,320
They sleep well.
711
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,640
They learn things more naturally. They
have more space.
712
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,760
- Do the kids get colds a lot?
713
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,320
- No, hardly ever.
- Right.
714
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,680
- No.
715
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,680
Their immune system is just really
good.
716
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,560
They don't get colds or get sick at
all.
717
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,640
I mean, it's minus 20 and something,
but, yeah.
718
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,560
And what I think is like the most
important thing about going
719
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,360
to school and growing up is that they
get along together.
720
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,600
Their social skills are just like,
great, I think.
721
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,480
When they're in the forest they just
naturally, like, help each other,
722
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,280
and no-one gets left behind.
723
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:36,880
I don't know why it happens.
724
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,000
Maybe it's just the forest is such,
like, a calming place.
725
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,160
- CHILDREN CHATTER
726
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,160
Forest schools boost children's immune
systems.
727
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,640
Finnish scientists claim contact with
nature,
728
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,400
with mud and friendly bacteria,
729
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,600
prevents autoimmune diseases and
allergies.
730
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,880
Teachers here don't mollycoddle.
731
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,480
They keep watch, but children are
allowed to take risks.
732
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,440
Yes, even leaping off anti-tank
defences left from the war.
733
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,520
- When we know the children well
734
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,240
and we know the whole family and
stuff,
735
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:18,240
it's easy to, you know, build a trust.
736
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:19,880
I think education overall
737
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,480
just is like a really, really
respected thing in Finland.
738
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,880
- So, respect and trust are two key
words that leap out at me there.
739
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:29,480
- Well, yeah definitely.
740
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:34,000
Yeah, and they don't really question
the things we do here.
741
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,480
And if the teacher says it's OK to be
outside, then it is.
742
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,640
- What a difference with the UK, where
teachers too often face parents
743
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,320
who don't trust or respect them.
744
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,200
Here there were no complaints from the
hardy youngsters
745
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,800
or at school pick-up time.
746
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,720
You're happy for Josefiina to take
your precious son
747
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,440
into the forest when it is minus 18 up
there?
748
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,240
- Yes, because I know my son will
survive.
749
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:02,960
- THEY LAUGH
750
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,600
You have a lot of respect for
education
751
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,680
and educators, for teachers.
752
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,880
- Yes.
753
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,560
- You trust them.
- Yes, very much.
754
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,520
- Well, this has been fascinating,
mind-blowing even.
755
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:20,840
I'm hearing a lot about trust.
756
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,840
And trust is something I'm really
interested in.
757
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,280
People in Scandinavia and the Nordic
countries have much higher levels
758
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,520
of trust in their institutions, their
governments and each other.
759
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:34,080
As this journey goes on I'm really
keen to learn the role
760
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:38,840
that trust plays in making Scandinavia
such a success.
761
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:51,760
I headed west through Lapland's vast
forests
762
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,520
and crossed the border into Sweden.
763
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:59,880
Lapland is a region of 150,000 square
miles
764
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,280
across northern Finland, Sweden,
Norway
765
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,680
and even a small bit of Russia.
766
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,320
During winter it's buried under snow,
767
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,480
but Lapland's still a major provider
of resources.
768
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,600
Swedes chop and plant millions of
trees up here
769
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:15,720
for all that flat-pack furniture.
770
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:18,440
Lapland's also important for green
energy.
771
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,920
Hydroelectric power provides 40% of
Sweden's electricity,
772
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:26,360
but requires power lines and railways
crisscrossing Lapland.
773
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:32,840
During the 20th century, Europe often
outsourced
774
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:38,440
its extraction of fossil fuels and
heavy industry as well to...
775
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,360
..poorer, less developed parts of the
world.
776
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,880
But during what's being described as
the green transition now
777
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:52,640
to renewable energy, there will be a
need for a huge number of mines,
778
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,480
solar farms, wind turbines, wind
farms,
779
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:01,720
and that will cause problems with
other people, with other groups.
780
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,400
Lapland's home to the Sami people.
781
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,960
They've lived here for thousands of
years -
782
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,000
long before modern countries -
783
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:11,880
with their own language and culture,
784
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,920
for many, inextricably linked to the
reindeer.
785
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,280
I'm meeting a reindeer herder called
Mikael.
786
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,560
I've got a pin on a map
787
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:23,920
where we've got to meet him in the
middle of nowhere.
788
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,120
Once nomadic, the Sami are now mostly
settled.
789
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,560
They still keep and herd reindeer.
790
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,840
Sami elder Mikael Kuhmunen makes his
living out here.
791
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,800
Mikael.
- Hello.
- Hi, Mikael, Simon.
792
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,160
- Mikael. Very lovely to see you
793
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,320
The same.
794
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,760
- Hello, lads. Good morning.
- Hello.
795
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,160
- SIMON LAUGHS
796
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,560
So...
797
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,560
..where are the reindeer?
798
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,240
- They are up there.
799
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:52,640
- Right, OK.
800
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,680
- We're going to move the reindeers
away from there,
801
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,480
take them down to the road and then...
802
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,760
- ENGINE TURNS OVER
803
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,400
- ..the reindeers will probably follow
the road.
804
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:07,040
- And how many - how many reindeer do
you have?
805
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,680
- That's a funny question.
806
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,120
You don't ask anyone how many
reindeers they have.
- Oh...
807
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,240
- It's quite...
- It's not polite.
- It's not polite.
808
00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:17,320
It's like asking you how much money
you have in the bank.
- Right.
809
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,280
- It's the same question. But I have
reindeers so I can survive.
810
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,040
- SIMON CHUCKLES
811
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,920
- We're going to make a snowmobile
track here so...
812
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,360
I'm quite lazy, I let the sons do the
job.
813
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,280
- SIMON LAUGHS
814
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,080
- Reindeers, they should not be too
long in the same place.
815
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,120
That's why we herd the reindeers, move
them from one place to another.
816
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,240
- Right.
- So they don't destroy the grazing
area.
817
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,840
- So they'll move in search of food,
818
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,120
but that can obviously split them up
and move them apart too far
819
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,640
and also presumably expose them to
danger as well.
820
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,800
- Yes, a couple of years ago we had
about 50 reindeers,
821
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,960
they went out on the railway and they
were hit by a train.
822
00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:01,840
It was nothing left of them.
823
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,280
- 50 reindeer were killed...
- By one train.
- By one train.
824
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:06,760
Oh, my goodness.
825
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,280
- So then we learned the lesson.
826
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,800
We are very afraid of the train, of
the railroads.
827
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:13,960
- How do you avoid that?
828
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,000
- We can't. We can only take away the
reindeers from the danger.
829
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,400
This is something that has made our
lives more easy.
830
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,240
- Mm.
831
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:36,680
- We are experts to adapt ourselves,
and every new thing, we take it.
832
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,720
OK, now we go up in the air.
833
00:45:39,720 --> 00:45:41,480
- DRONE WHIRS
834
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:46,000
Reindeer used to roam wherever they
liked.
835
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,280
Now, there are dangers everywhere.
836
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,200
Mikael and his sons, Aslat and Nils,
are worried about a small group
837
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,840
from their herd that have strayed too
close to railway tracks.
838
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,600
We need to find them.
839
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:00,800
So there's the reindeer.
- Yes.
840
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:02,600
Then I put the GPS spot on it.
841
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,360
So now I see on the map, and then I
can show my sons where they are.
842
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,760
- Clever, clever.
843
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,640
SNOWMOBILE STARTS
844
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,720
So, we're heading out to look for the
reindeer.
845
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,680
Reindeer are tough, yet they still
need looking after.
846
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,400
They're crucial to the ecosystem in
Lapland,
847
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,760
but forests rich in lichen, the
reindeers' favourite food,
848
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,920
have declined by 71% in Sweden.
849
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,800
OK, so the reindeer, there's reindeer
just ahead of us,
850
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:43,080
and they're being corralled by the
lads and by our Ski-Doos,
851
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,160
and hopefully they're moving in the
right direction.
852
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,640
OK, they've got them into the open
853
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,880
and they're now... Ooh! ..moving them
towards the road.
854
00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,040
We gently guided them away from the
train tracks...
855
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,480
..but roads, tracks, industry, people
-
856
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,320
it's all disrupting reindeer behaviour
and migration.
857
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,680
Even new green industries up here pose
threats to wildlife
858
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,240
and the livelihoods of Sami herders.
859
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,160
That's it, they've reached the road.
860
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,240
And so have we.
861
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,880
SNOWMOBILE ENGINE PUTTERS OUT
862
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,160
What are they doing, Mikael?
- They are eating salt.
863
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,360
Yesterday, it was ice on the road so
they put salt on.
864
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,840
Now they...
- They love it.
- They love it.
865
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,840
- Of course, like a salt lick almost.
866
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,160
- Yes.
867
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,720
When they once find the salt, they
will always come back.
868
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,040
It's like a drug.
869
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,200
- And they're drawn to the road to eat
it,
870
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,400
and that presumably results in
collisions.
- Yes.
871
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,680
Most of the people that are driving
car they say that reindeer,
872
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:08,000
it is the most stupid animal on the
earth.
873
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,040
- Right!
874
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,720
- Because they stand on the salt
875
00:48:11,720 --> 00:48:14,640
just waiting to get hit by a car.
876
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,040
- So that affects...that affects their
migration, their movement,
877
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,120
your ability to herd them?
- Yes, it does.
878
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:26,680
We are already so affected by
everything you can imagine.
879
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,320
We have the railroad,
880
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,880
we have the hydropower dam
881
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,480
just 15km away from here,
882
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,880
power lines.
883
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,800
- How do the power lines affect you
and the reindeer?
884
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,960
- They stopped before the power line.
885
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,720
There's something that we don't see,
886
00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,520
something is scaring them.
887
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:47,760
They avoid the power lines.
888
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,720
We don't need no more, erm...
889
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:52,760
..more things that affect us.
890
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,000
- It's so difficult, isn't it, because
obviously people will say
891
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,000
that Lapland needs development, it
needs jobs?
892
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,840
But, understandably, you see your way
of life being threatened.
893
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,880
- I see it that way, yes.
894
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,440
It's like... It's like a lifestyle
that's slowly fading away.
895
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,360
- The major threat here's climate
change.
896
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,640
The Arctic's heating nearly four times
faster
897
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:18,800
than the rest of the planet.
898
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,800
It's simply not as cold as it is
normally.
899
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,200
- This kind of snow, it's usually in
the springtime.
900
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,000
Now we're in the middle of the winter,
901
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,920
it should be 30, 30 minus.
902
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,800
- Should it really?
- Yes, but now it's almost 10.
903
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,680
- So you're caught, really, in a
terrible Catch-22, I sense,
904
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,440
where on the one hand you're seeing
climate change...
905
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,400
- I have seen it for almost 20 years
now.
906
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,480
- ..and on the other hand, you're
threatened by the industry
907
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,560
that is being developed to try and
help prevent
908
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,160
or at least mitigate the climate
change that we're all threatened by.
909
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,320
A rock and a hard place.
910
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,880
- The ones who get sacrificed, it's
us,
911
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,680
we, the reindeers, the reindeer
herders, the Sami people.
912
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
The thing I wonder why,
913
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,760
why do you have to destroy the planet
to save it?
914
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,080
It doesn't make sense to me.
- Mm.
915
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,160
ENGINES TURN OVER
916
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,000
Not far from where Mikael herds his
reindeer
917
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,000
is the small Swedish mining town of
Kiruna.
918
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Legend says, in the mid 1600s,
919
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:47,160
a farmer, hunting squirrels, found a
strange heavy black rock here.
920
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,880
Turned out it was iron ore.
921
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:54,000
Kiruna's grown up around what's now a
vast underground iron ore mine,
922
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:55,760
the biggest in the world.
923
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,240
All the mining and tunnelling
underground has, of course,
924
00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:59,960
turned to land here, this area,
925
00:50:59,960 --> 00:51:02,000
into Swiss cheese,
926
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:05,760
and it's destabilised many of the
buildings here,
927
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,240
and as a result, a number of them have
got to be destroyed,
928
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:13,280
and a large part of the town here has
got to be moved.
929
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,520
So some of the buildings here, they're
actually just relocating.
930
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,760
This huge old church, for example,
they're going to jack that up
931
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:25,640
and then later this year, they're
going to move it to a new
932
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,400
location at the very stately pace of
half a mile an hour.
933
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,200
Much of Kiruna's being moved so they
can keep digging underground,
934
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,160
because, for Sweden, and for Europe,
the mine is vital.
935
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,880
Geologist Laura Lauri works for LKAB,
936
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,640
the state-owned Swedish mining
company.
937
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:49,320
They've extracted more than two
billion tons of iron ore
938
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:50,480
from this mine alone.
939
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,880
By one reckoning, that's equivalent to
the top third of Mount Everest.
940
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,400
We headed in.
941
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,120
- Here you see the mine entrance.
942
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,000
So, this is the largest underground
iron ore mine in the world.
943
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,960
It's about 80% of what we use in
Europe.
944
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,240
- 80% of Europe's iron ore comes
from...comes from here?
- Yeah.
945
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:17,600
I guess that if you have products that
have been produced in Europe
946
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,320
that contain steel, then it mostly
comes from here.
947
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:28,840
- Well, this is very definitely not
like the mine in Svalbard.
948
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:31,240
- So we will just park the car here.
- All right.
949
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,120
We were nearly a mile underground,
950
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,480
a subterranean world of huge tunnels,
offices,
951
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,560
a staff canteen, coffee machines,
952
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,160
even pot plants.
953
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,360
Hiya. Hello, hello, hello.
954
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,440
It's one of the most high-tech mines
in the world
955
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,240
and Emil is a very modern sort of
miner.
956
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,560
Hello.
- Hello.
957
00:52:58,560 --> 00:52:59,800
- What are you doing?
958
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,600
- I'm remote operating.
959
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,400
I have my cameras on the machine.
960
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,520
- Yeah.
961
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,960
- And I also have rock breaker to
break the larger boulders.
962
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,320
- Oh, my goodness.
963
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,360
- So now I just press the button and
now it's going to dump the bucket.
964
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,800
- Well, what's going on? It's driving
itself.
- Yeah.
965
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,720
It's driving itself, it's
autonomously.
966
00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:19,880
So, I'm always going to the ore pass,
967
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,200
and it dumps the rock down the ore
pass.
968
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,480
- Right.
- And then it returns to the drift
where I fill the bucket.
969
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,360
- So this is a very new style mining,
isn't it?
970
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,800
Where are the hard calluses on your
hands? No.
971
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,440
- No.
- Where is your pick and shovel?
972
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,760
- No pick and shovel here.
973
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,040
- Now you have a joystick!
974
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,720
- Yeah, a joystick and an Xbox
control.
975
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:44,600
- Now, we mustn't film this, because
all the youngsters watching,
976
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:47,240
who are playing on their consoles will
say,
977
00:53:47,240 --> 00:53:50,280
"Look, Mum and Dad, this is why I need
to be gaming,
978
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,160
"so I can work in a Swedish mine."
- Exactly.
979
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,080
So now I shake the bucket.
- Look.
980
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,440
No, you're not.
- Yeah.
- Go on, give the bucket a little
shake.
981
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:00,920
Oh, my goodness.
982
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,680
You seem very happy with your job.
- Yeah. Yeah, I love my job.
983
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:04,920
This is very fun.
984
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,880
- Miles underground, machines do most
of the dangerous and grubby work.
985
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,720
Machines bring the iron ore to the
surface -
986
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,440
and if something goes wrong, there's
someone, or something,
987
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,640
who goes to investigate.
988
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,520
This looks like a kennel.
989
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:23,240
- It does look like a kennel.
990
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:42,080
Whoa!
991
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:47,520
- Oh, my goodness.
992
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,120
The robot reconnaissance dog
993
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,320
can be sent into the most dangerous
parts of the mine.
994
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:03,000
I was a little bit taken aback.
995
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,760
That was my first time, anywhere on
the planet,
996
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:12,920
I've encountered a moving robotic
creature, as it were.
997
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:14,520
What can Spot do?
998
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,760
- After the blasting, it checks if
something has happened,
999
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,000
if there has been any rock falls.
1000
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,960
- This is, like, the future of mining
here, isn't it?
- Yes.
1001
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,760
- Taking humans... not out of the
equation,
1002
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:27,160
but out of the danger zone.
1003
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,160
- Out of the danger, yes. Yeah.
1004
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,160
- Come on, you've got to see this.
1005
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:39,200
Look.
1006
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:41,840
I'll bring it out.
1007
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:48,000
They really have put dog treats in
here.
1008
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:49,240
HE LAUGHS
1009
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:54,000
The miners and their machines are
still exploring underground here,
1010
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,600
hunting for more iron deep beneath the
snows of Lapland.
1011
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,680
But a couple of years ago they made a
startling discovery
1012
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,400
which could be a game-changer for the
whole of Europe,
1013
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,720
and for the future of green
technology.
1014
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,000
- Under this forested area, here,
1015
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,280
we have another iron ore body which
contains quite a lot of iron,
1016
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,280
phosphorus and also rare earth
elements.
1017
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:19,400
- Rare earth elements.
1018
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,640
- Most used ones are, for instance are
neodymium and praseodymium,
1019
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,040
that are used for example for wind
turbines and battery technology.
1020
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,160
- There's 17 rare earth minerals,
1021
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,200
including samarium, europium and
scandium.
1022
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,600
They're critical for next-generation
tech.
1023
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,960
What coal was to the 19th century, and
oil to the 20th,
1024
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,840
rare earth elements could be to the
21st.
1025
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,400
- So, I've got a couple of pieces of
drill core
1026
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,120
and there's quite a lot of those pink
and whitish minerals here -
1027
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:48,880
and that's the mineral apatite,
1028
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,600
the phosphorus mineral that contains
also the rare earths.
1029
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,360
We have numbers that show that this
deposit,
1030
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,320
it's almost one billion tons of ore.
1031
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:58,680
- That's billion with a B?
1032
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,520
- Yeah, one billion tons of ore.
1033
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,640
- Here, these are the fundamentals
1034
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,680
of...potentially of Europe's future
economy.
1035
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,080
- It's really true.
1036
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,760
And this only strengthens the
importance of this region.
1037
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,280
- This is geopolitics, right here.
1038
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,800
The great powers are now scrambling to
secure rare earth minerals.
1039
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:23,080
China currently has most of them.
1040
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,600
Europe doesn't produce any.
1041
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,480
This mine could change that.
1042
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,280
The environment here will be affected
-
1043
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,680
perhaps we don't have a choice -
1044
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,920
but it's a consequence we shouldn't
ignore.
1045
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,920
You can see a train down here, taking
out iron ore.
1046
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,360
What's happening here is really
important.
1047
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,040
Europe is going to need these rare
earth minerals and metals
1048
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:51,840
if we are going to transition to a
cleaner, greener future -
1049
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:54,120
but there are costs.
1050
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:05,800
Next time, I'm in western
Scandinavia...
1051
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,120
Orca!
1052
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,160
..exploring the fjords of Norway...
1053
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,280
..and further west, the volcanoes of
Iceland.
1054
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,920
Need to get out of here.
1055
00:58:51,740 --> 00:58:54,040
I'm on the rugged edge of Europe,
1056
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,360
visiting five Nordic countries.
1057
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:57,960
Incredible. It's incredible.
1058
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,400
Travelling through glorious forests
1059
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,000
and spectacular fjords.
1060
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,960
I think Norway has a solid claim
1061
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,840
to be the most beautiful country in
the world.
1062
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,400
I mean, look at it!
1063
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,200
Wow. Dogs pulling a car.
1064
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:17,000
It's more than half a million square
miles of extremes.
1065
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,200
This is low, Bent. This is low.
1066
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:20,360
- This is my life.
1067
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:22,800
- Somebody's holding on to me, yeah?!
1068
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,000
- Now breathe, breathe.
1069
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:29,320
- Off we go.
1070
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,200
- I'm hoping to understand how they
built
1071
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,640
some of the happiest societies on the
planet...
1072
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,000
Hey, guys.
- Morning.
1073
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,640
LAUGHTER
- Good morning.
1074
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:38,120
And who have we got here?
1075
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:39,320
What...?
1076
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,760
- Hello!
- Welcome, welcome!
LAUGHTER
1077
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:47,280
- This is the most traditional Danish
lunch I have seen.
- Yes.
1078
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,200
- ..and why they now feel they're in
the firing line.
1079
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:53,280
Santa Park is also a nuclear bunker?
1080
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:54,400
- Yes. Very much so.
1081
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,200
- They are preparing to defend
Finland.
1082
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,400
- GUNFIRE
1083
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:03,120
Bloody hell.
1084
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:07,120
You're wearing these in urban Sweden?
1085
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,640
- Yes.
1086
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,520
- There's another side to Scandinavia.
1087
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:12,840
- Ready to fire?
1088
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,360
- On this second leg of my
Scandinavian journey,
1089
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,800
I'm travelling from the west coast of
Norway
1090
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,600
across the North Atlantic to the
volcanic island of Iceland.
1091
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,680
Norway's shoreline is gouged and
carved
1092
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,200
by spectacular fjords and islands -
1093
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,680
almost a quarter of a million islands
-
1094
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,120
along the longest coast in Europe.
1095
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,800
Second longest in the world.
1096
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,880
Rex is checking out the coastline
here.
1097
01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:01,600
It is fairly astonishing.
1098
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:06,440
Norway does have an almost excessively
rugged,
1099
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,080
jagged, fragmented coastline.
1100
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,920
Since the time of the Vikings,
1101
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,520
when they weren't out doing a spot of
pillaging,
1102
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:17,560
people here have fished and farmed
their sheep.
1103
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,520
For Roy and Inger Oksnes, this is
home.
1104
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,840
They're taking me to a small island
where they keep their family flock.
1105
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:29,360
Let's go. Are you ready to go?
1106
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,720
- After you.
- All right.
1107
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:35,920
Well, I think the dog is going to be
doing most of the work
1108
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,480
ROY WHISTLES
1109
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,800
Hey, look, there they are.
1110
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:41,360
ROY WHISTLES
1111
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,880
I sense Rex wants to round up the
sheep.
1112
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,160
Tell us what to do, Roy.
1113
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:55,640
ROY WHISTLES
1114
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:57,280
Er, they're making a break!
1115
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,360
ROY SHOUTS
1116
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:00,880
Ah-ah-ah!
1117
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,400
There's a breakaway flock over there.
1118
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,720
Another flock over here.
1119
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:10,760
I mean, they do say a flock of sheep
comes with a flock of problems.
1120
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,200
- So, Simon, did you get the speed?
Heating up?
1121
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:18,760
- I'm warming up Roy, I am.
- You're warming up?
1122
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:20,920
- It gets the blood flowing, that's
for sure.
1123
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,200
- You feel the blood flowing, blood
flowing, very good.
1124
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,800
- You love it, don't you? I can tell!
1125
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,000
- Yes, and we get some exercise out of
it.
1126
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:31,400
- Mush! Mush! Mush!
1127
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,640
Roy's family have farmed these remote
islands for generations.
1128
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,720
Each year, when summer arrives,
1129
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,680
it's shearing time for Roy and his
burly lads -
1130
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:41,920
or rather for the sheep.
1131
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,200
There we go.
1132
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,080
- Well done, guys.
- And they're in.
1133
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,560
After Vikings here put down their
battle axes,
1134
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:55,760
Norway spent centuries as almost a
rural backwater of Scandinavia.
1135
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,200
Only around 3% of the land is
farmable.
1136
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,440
The sea up here is harsh and
dangerous.
1137
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Many struggled.
1138
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:06,160
What was life like here for your
parents, your grandparents?
1139
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:32,800
Other Scandis viewed Norwegians as
country bumpkins.
1140
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,360
They were the butt of jokes.
1141
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,800
- 50ml...
1142
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:40,440
- Then, 50 years ago, everything
changed
1143
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:44,680
when the Norwegians hit the national
equivalent of a Vegas jackpot.
1144
01:03:51,040 --> 01:03:54,040
So, it's 9:30 on a Wednesday,
1145
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,680
and Roy is off to work.
1146
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,520
So, this is where you work?
1147
01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:03,280
- Yes. I work on the other side of the
plant.
1148
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,360
- Look at the size of this.
1149
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:16,400
This tangled eruption of pipes and
chimneys is Mongstad...
1150
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:21,040
..home to Norway's biggest oil and gas
refinery.
1151
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,000
Roy is one of more than 1,000 people
working here.
1152
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:27,680
You wear it well.
1153
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:30,040
Ah, it's the belt, isn't it?
1154
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,000
Roy's family farm is now just a
sideline.
1155
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,200
During the week, he works for Equinor,
1156
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,360
Norway's largely state-owned oil and
gas company.
1157
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,840
He belongs to a lucky generation of
Norwegians
1158
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,920
gifted one of history's biggest
Christmas presents.
1159
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:44,960
All right.
1160
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:50,320
It was the night before Christmas Eve,
1969.
1161
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:53,480
Norway discovered oil in the North
Sea.
1162
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:54,840
It was their last attempt.
1163
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,040
They were about to give up.
1164
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,680
What they found became the largest oil
field ever discovered at sea
1165
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:02,720
anywhere in the world.
1166
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,400
Oh, my God.
1167
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,920
So, this is a tanker coming in empty
or full?
1168
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,720
- This is an empty tanker coming in
for loading crude.
1169
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:22,240
- It's like a four-storey metal wall
just moving in front.
1170
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:24,680
It's colossal.
1171
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:29,480
- Little bit away from the mooring
lines.
1172
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:32,200
- Over the last 50 years,
1173
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,720
this small nation of farmers and
fisherman
1174
01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,320
has sucked out trillions of pounds'
worth of oil and gas
1175
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,000
from under the North Sea.
1176
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,040
They pump more of the stuff per head
than even Saudi Arabia.
1177
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:48,080
You live quite a double life, Roy.
1178
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:53,640
- Ja...
- One moment, you're with your sheep
and the next...
1179
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:09,640
Have we got enough?
- Ja.
1180
01:06:09,640 --> 01:06:11,960
- I'm going to really mess this up,
aren't I?
1181
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:13,600
- I don't think so.
1182
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,800
- In front of these burly bloody
Norwegians.
1183
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:19,200
Good afternoon.
1184
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:20,760
Say when, sir.
1185
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,200
- Whenever you're ready.
- Yeah.
1186
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,200
- Thank you.
- He's got it.
1187
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:26,480
- Yep.
- Look at that.
1188
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,280
The job is done.
1189
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,640
- So now you can start to work in the
oil business.
1190
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:36,200
- They're loading this tanker with
enough oil
1191
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,200
to fuel more than one million cars
with petrol -
1192
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,000
all of it for export.
1193
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:42,440
But at home, at least,
1194
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,760
Norway's enthusiastically adopted
green energy.
1195
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:47,880
They have the highest number of
electric cars
1196
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,200
per head in the world -
1197
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,560
and most of them have ditched their
gas boilers
1198
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,200
for electric heat pumps.
1199
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,360
Just a little bit of a contradiction.
1200
01:06:55,360 --> 01:07:00,640
Hardly any of this oil is actually
used here in Norway.
1201
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:06,200
Norway sources almost all of its
electricity
1202
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:10,400
from cleaner, greener hydroelectric
power -
1203
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:17,040
thus absolving itself of any sort of
direct consumer guilt.
1204
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,600
They're a little bit like a drug
pusher, really,
1205
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,640
who refuses to use their own product.
1206
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,680
But they will very happily sell it to
almost anyone else.
1207
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:32,200
With sanctions on Russia,
1208
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:36,200
Norway's now the biggest supplier of
gas to the UK and Germany.
1209
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:39,560
It's a trade that has helped to make
the 5.5 million Norwegians
1210
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,760
among the richest people on the
planet.
1211
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:48,920
An hour down the coast is Bergen, an
oil boom town,
1212
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,520
but not like any I've ever seen.
1213
01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,120
It really looks like Diagon Alley from
Harry Potter.
1214
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:08,000
If you were expecting oil bling like
Abu Dhabi or Houston,
1215
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,760
or somewhere like that, think again.
1216
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,200
Here, they spent a lot of their oil
money restoring old Bergen.
1217
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,680
Lovingly restoring it.
1218
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,240
It's all very understated
Scandinavian.
1219
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:23,720
Of course, in many countries,
discovering oil
1220
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:27,360
doesn't always bring benefits for the
people, the masses.
1221
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,840
Often it fuels corruption, and even
war -
1222
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:33,680
or a pampered elite just fritter away
the oil billions.
1223
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:36,600
But to their credit, at least here
even ordinary Norwegians
1224
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,000
have shared in the oil bonanza.
1225
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:40,200
Alf?
- Yes!
1226
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,960
- Hello, Alf.
- Hello.
1227
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:43,080
- I'm Simon.
1228
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:44,560
- Hello, Simon.
- It's lovely to see you.
1229
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:45,960
I've got a slightly fractured finger,
1230
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,000
so I'll go with that one.
- Ja.
1231
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:48,200
- Hello.
- Welcome here.
1232
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,200
- Thank you very much. Carolina?
- Hello, Simon.
1233
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,200
- Hi, Carolina. Simon. Yes, hello.
1234
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:54,360
- Nice to meet you.
- Nice to meet you, too.
1235
01:08:54,360 --> 01:08:55,840
- Well, come on board.
- Yes.
1236
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,360
- All right. Thank you.
1237
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,160
Alf Roald Saetre and Carolina Saetre
are local entrepreneurs.
1238
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,200
Ah, straight into the cabin.
- Yes.
- Straight in.
1239
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:06,240
- I definitely should not be here.
1240
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,440
The lives of Norwegians - all of them
-
1241
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,240
have been transformed by oil.
1242
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,360
Alf comes from a humble background -
his family were oyster farmers -
1243
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,920
and he's still obsessed with seafood.
1244
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:22,960
Locals have given him a nickname.
1245
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,880
Oyster Dundee, named after Crocodile
Dundee?
1246
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:28,360
- Yeah. But I've been working with
oysters.
1247
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:31,720
I still have a big knife also.
- You have a big knife?
- Yeah, yeah.
1248
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:33,320
- I'm sure you do.
- Yeah.
1249
01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,600
- Back in the 1970s, Alf started
working
1250
01:09:37,600 --> 01:09:41,080
on some of the first oil rigs out on
the Norwegian side
1251
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,480
of the North Sea.
1252
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,640
So you were a trained submarine pilot?
1253
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,720
- Yes.
- You trained in Edinburgh,
1254
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,200
and that was to pilot the submersibles
1255
01:09:53,200 --> 01:09:56,200
that were servicing the oil rigs?
- Servicing.
1256
01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,200
Yeah, and bringing divers down in the
local submarines.
1257
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,200
So we did various jobs for the oil
industry.
1258
01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:08,280
- So you were there really during the
birth of Norway's oil industry?
1259
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,680
- Yes, we were pioneers.
1260
01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,040
It was a great time, actually.
1261
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,440
Yeah, I really loved it.
1262
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,560
- What's sort of the coldest
temperature you would dive in?
1263
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,280
- Around four degrees here.
1264
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:23,960
- That's pretty dam chilly.
1265
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:27,200
- This neoprene isolates quite a lot.
1266
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,440
- Yeah. And good blood as well?
1267
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,000
Good Viking spirit?
- Yeah, Viking blood, you know?
1268
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,120
- LAUGHTER
1269
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:38,320
Now aged 72, these days Oyster Dundee
1270
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:39,840
dives down for shellfish.
1271
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:46,520
- OK.
- Well, good luck and stay safe.
1272
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:47,920
- Yeah.
1273
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,760
- Are you happy with him diving?
1274
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,560
- Oh...
- Oh, you're making a face.
1275
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,200
- It makes me nervous a little bit.
1276
01:11:05,040 --> 01:11:07,640
- Hello!
- Hey, how was that?
1277
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,000
- That was very nice.
1278
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,200
"Very nice."
- SIMON LAUGHS
1279
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,320
Good.
1280
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:13,880
- You can pull it up.
1281
01:11:13,880 --> 01:11:15,680
- Pull it up? All right.
- Yeah.
1282
01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:16,960
See what we got.
1283
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:18,560
- Oh, right. Quite the catch.
1284
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:22,040
Wow!
1285
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:24,000
There we are.
- There we are. Back.
1286
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:25,200
Really nice.
1287
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:26,520
- Excellent.
1288
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:30,640
- I got some really big ones.
1289
01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:33,840
So I go in with the knife and cut it.
1290
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,000
And...
1291
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,760
- It just pops open.
- Yeah.
1292
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,000
Normally they throw the gills away,
1293
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,440
but actually there's a lot of taste in
it.
1294
01:11:42,440 --> 01:11:44,240
So you can eat it, yeah.
1295
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:49,000
And it's so good to eat, you know?
1296
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:51,320
- But this bit of the scallop is the
best, no?
1297
01:11:51,320 --> 01:11:52,680
- Yeah.
- Thank you.
1298
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,760
- When you eat the scallop, this is
the muscle itself.
1299
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:01,400
Mm! You can feel it works!
1300
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,480
- Well, I'm admiring what it does for
you.
1301
01:12:03,480 --> 01:12:04,680
- Yeah.
1302
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:06,200
This is very healthy food.
1303
01:12:06,200 --> 01:12:09,800
And my father, he ate this all his
life,
1304
01:12:09,800 --> 01:12:10,920
every day,
1305
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:13,720
and he got so old that we had to kill
him.
1306
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,880
- LAUGHTER
1307
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,920
Actually, why am I laughing at that?!
1308
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,360
A shocking story.
1309
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,960
- So it's so very, very, very healthy.
1310
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:27,200
- This is the other problem in the sea
now, isn't it?
1311
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,200
- Ja.
- Little bits of plastic floating
around.
1312
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:31,600
- I hate plastic in the water.
- Oh, you're going in?
1313
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,680
- Wahey!
1314
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:34,280
- LAUGHTER
1315
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,640
Well done, Alf! Well done!
1316
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:40,600
That is how people should respond to
it.
1317
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:41,840
Well done.
1318
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:45,640
Like many other Norwegians,
1319
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,320
Alf earned decent money in the oil
industry.
1320
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,000
He invested his earnings and became a
successful businessman.
1321
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,480
Where are we going now, Alf?
1322
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:58,480
- We are heading towards the little
tiny island that nobody lives on.
1323
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:02,200
It's only a restaurant, Cornelius
restaurant.
1324
01:13:02,200 --> 01:13:03,760
- And this is your restaurant?
1325
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:06,840
- Yes, it's my restaurant.
1326
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,000
- OK.
1327
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:11,800
Alf named his restaurant Cornelius
1328
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,200
after his oyster-farming grandfather.
1329
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:18,120
- Hello!
- Hello, hello!
1330
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,960
- Come along and have a look.
- All right.
1331
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:24,480
- There you see running water.
- Yeah.
1332
01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:28,200
- So I keep my scallops and stuff...
- Nice and fresh.
1333
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:30,640
- It's nice, huh?
- Yeah.
1334
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,760
This is where you can see how well-off
Norwegians are.
1335
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:36,680
Private ferries often bring more than
200 guests a night.
1336
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:37,960
- So you heard about me?
1337
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:40,080
- Yes.
- I told her. I told her.
1338
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,880
- OK.
- Very sexy guy out there.
1339
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:43,720
- LAUGHTER
1340
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:47,640
Diners can pay more than ยฃ150 a head -
1341
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:51,000
and that's without wine from Alf's
walk-in cellar.
1342
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,640
What's the most expensive bottle of
wine you've got here?
1343
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:55,040
- This is the most expensive one.
1344
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,200
It's actually ยฃ8,000.
1345
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,480
- ยฃ8,000 bottle of wine!
1346
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,840
There's few signs here of a
cost-of-living crisis in Norway.
1347
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,200
- Oi, oi, oi!
1348
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,320
- What is this? Thank you.
1349
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,240
- This is our bisque crab soup.
- Ja.
1350
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:13,800
- And this is the smoked salmon.
1351
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,280
- Oh, that looks very special.
1352
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:17,080
- Enjoy.
- Thank you.
1353
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:22,520
When you were a lad growing up,
1354
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,560
this was not the Norwegian reality,
was it?
1355
01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:32,680
- No, my mother, she knitted my
clothes.
1356
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:35,000
So it was... We didn't have any money
1357
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,880
to spend on luxury things.
1358
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,400
- And now look!
1359
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,200
- And now look, yeah. It's quite a
change.
1360
01:14:42,200 --> 01:14:44,640
So I think about it more or less every
day, actually.
1361
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:45,920
- What, your good luck?
1362
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:51,000
- Yes, how lucky we are that we have
been born here.
1363
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:53,800
- To be born Norwegian -
1364
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:56,200
that's winning a lottery, really,
isn't it?
1365
01:14:56,200 --> 01:14:58,520
- It feels like it. Yeah.
1366
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:08,560
- I think we're just in time.
1367
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:12,520
Hiya.
1368
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:14,960
I think this is right.
1369
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,760
I was taking the overnight train to
Norway's capital city, Oslo.
1370
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:27,200
So, let's have a look at this.
1371
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:30,960
Ooh!
1372
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:35,200
It's a bit sort of prison-cell chic -
1373
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:37,400
but not bad.
1374
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:53,000
Didn't sleep too badly.
1375
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,240
It's a little bit like being rocked in
a cradle.
1376
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:05,440
For many years, Norway had the second
highest GDP
1377
01:16:05,440 --> 01:16:09,200
per capita in Europe - after tiny
Luxembourg.
1378
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,200
And all that money wasn't splashed out
1379
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:13,360
on Lamborghinis and Prada handbags.
1380
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:14,760
It went on wages,
1381
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,280
state spending,
1382
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:19,480
and into just about the biggest pot of
dosh on the planet.
1383
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:25,480
In the 1990s, Norway took the decision
to save and invest
1384
01:16:25,480 --> 01:16:27,960
a huge chunk of their earnings from
oil and gas
1385
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:29,600
for the future.
1386
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,200
They set up a giant national savings
account -
1387
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:34,360
a sovereign wealth fund, as they're
called.
1388
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:37,000
It's now the single largest in the
world.
1389
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,960
So here we are.
1390
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:43,200
This looks just like any other
corporate office, doesn't it?
1391
01:16:44,200 --> 01:16:48,560
But this is definitely not some paper
wholesalers in Slough.
1392
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,800
What goes on in here affects the lives
1393
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,200
of millions of people around the
world.
1394
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,880
This is the headquarters of Norway's
sovereign wealth fund.
1395
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,480
The fund is a financial colossus.
1396
01:17:02,480 --> 01:17:06,400
It's one of the largest single stores
of wealth ever assembled.
1397
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:08,120
Maybe the biggest.
1398
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,360
The fund owns global infrastructure,
1399
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,400
ports, airports, chunks of major world
cities,
1400
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:18,280
and roughly 1.5% of all the stocks and
shares listed
1401
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:19,720
in the entire world.
1402
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:20,880
Thank you.
1403
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:25,840
The fund is worth the equivalent of
nearly 25,000 tons of gold.
1404
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,120
Look, online, there's a website
1405
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,240
which shows the actual market value of
the fund in real time.
1406
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,800
It is a staggering sum.
1407
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:37,640
So this is in Norwegian kroner,
1408
01:17:37,640 --> 01:17:44,040
but in pounds it's more than ยฃ1.2
trillion.
1409
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,080
That is an almost unimaginable figure.
1410
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:50,040
For me, the best way of understanding
1411
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,200
how much a trillion is,
1412
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,560
is to convert it into seconds.
1413
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,440
So, rather than thinking of it in
pounds,
1414
01:17:57,440 --> 01:17:59,120
think of it in seconds.
1415
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,400
A million seconds is almost 12 days
ago.
1416
01:18:03,400 --> 01:18:07,720
A billion seconds is more than 31
years ago.
1417
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:13,920
But a trillion seconds is more than
31,000 years ago.
1418
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,240
A trillion is a huge figure.
1419
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:19,760
All right. Thank you.
1420
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,200
I'd come to see the fund's chief of
staff,
1421
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:23,400
Trond Grande.
1422
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:25,360
Trond? Hello, Simon Reeve.
1423
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,200
Nice to see you.
- Nice to meet you.
1424
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,080
- I know you're very busy.
- Absolutely.
1425
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:30,600
- Can we come in?
- Of course.
1426
01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:32,200
- Oh, fantastic.
1427
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:34,000
And you've got a book here.
1428
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:35,680
What is this? Pressure.
1429
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:37,640
- Pressure.
- "Lessons from the..."
1430
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:39,560
- "..Psychology of Penalty Shoots."
1431
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:43,840
- You're a man who deals with pressure
that most of us cannot comprehend.
1432
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:46,000
- Yes, but I think we all do, right?
1433
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,200
And the point he tried make was, you
know,
1434
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,200
how can you prepare for the pressure?
1435
01:18:51,200 --> 01:18:53,200
- This is a colossal store of wealth.
1436
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:55,320
- Of course, it's just a staggering
amount of money.
1437
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:57,320
But I mean, honestly, for us,
1438
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:00,200
it's just another kind of three more
zeros
1439
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,720
or six more zeros, or nine more zeros.
Right?
1440
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,600
You become slightly kind of blind to
the size of it.
1441
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:07,760
- Mm.
1442
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:11,200
The Norwegians spend less from the
fund each year
1443
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:13,000
than the amount it's increased by.
1444
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:14,720
So it's just grown and grown.
1445
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,800
So sensible and Scandinavian.
1446
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:21,200
Can you imagine how good you have to
be at delaying gratification
1447
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:25,080
and thinking long-term when you've got
an ice cream store
1448
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,200
right outside your office?
1449
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:29,800
How on earth do you cope with that?!
1450
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:31,880
That is a source of temptation.
1451
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:33,360
- It is.
1452
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,080
- I think this says a lot about you.
1453
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:36,640
- About restraint?
- Yes!
1454
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,240
- Well, we have to fill it quite
often, right?
1455
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:40,440
Some people tend...
- Yeah.
1456
01:19:40,440 --> 01:19:42,680
- Especially now during summer.
1457
01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:46,200
Late afternoon, grab an ice cream and
stay outside.
1458
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:48,200
- Yeah, but look at your washboard
stomach there.
1459
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,200
You're clearly not eating all of
these, are you?
1460
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,920
- I'm leaving it to everybody else to
eat, yeah.
1461
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,200
- Look, this cannot... Trond, I'm
sorry.
1462
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,200
- Yeah.
- I've just seen another...
1463
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,640
This is brilliant.
- This is... Yeah.
1464
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,720
- Is this how decisions are taken?
1465
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,680
Look at this.
- Yeah.
1466
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:07,160
- So, it has buy...
1467
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,760
..sell, hold...
1468
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:11,240
..or panic.
1469
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:12,640
LAUGHTER
1470
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,920
This is a decision-making cube...
1471
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,840
- Absolutely essential to what we do,
yeah.
1472
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,000
- ..for anyone who trades in stocks
and shares.
1473
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:20,400
Look, what's it going to come up as?
1474
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:21,920
- Panic.
- Panic?!
- Panic.
1475
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:23,360
- LAUGHTER
1476
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:24,840
Thank you very much.
1477
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:26,920
So, who's actually rolling the dice
here?
1478
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:30,080
Where are we going now?
1479
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:31,600
- Now we're going to the trading
floor.
1480
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,800
Oh, sorry.
- OK.
- Please.
1481
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,960
So, this is essentially where the
action happens.
1482
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:38,200
- What's going on here?
1483
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:39,480
Can you tell us anything?
1484
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:40,960
What are you doing?
1485
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,720
- Yeah, today is month end.
1486
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:46,680
So, then, we have fundings or
defundings.
1487
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,200
- Which means buying and selling?
1488
01:20:48,200 --> 01:20:49,280
- Yes.
- A lot.
1489
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:51,480
- A lot.
- Yes.
1490
01:20:51,480 --> 01:20:52,720
- Define a lot.
1491
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:58,880
- Yeah, right now it's 2.5 billion
dollars.
1492
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,560
LAUGHTER
- You look remarkably calm...
1493
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:04,080
..for somebody involved in such
activity,
1494
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:05,280
fuelled by Coca-Cola.
1495
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,280
- I've done many times before.
- Of course you have.
1496
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,960
- We have a good system, so I know
it's taken care of.
1497
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,800
- Most Norwegian oil and gas wealth
goes to the state.
1498
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,880
Their fund is now large enough to
support Norway's schools,
1499
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:22,440
welfare and hospitals for generations
to come.
1500
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:25,200
Historically, Britain extracted more
oil and gas
1501
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:26,960
from its North Sea drilling area,
1502
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,680
but much of the revenue went to
companies.
1503
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:33,040
Some argue it boosted our economy,
others that we squandered it.
1504
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,920
Either way, we never set money aside
like the Norwegians.
1505
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:41,640
As a Brit, I am left thinking what
might have been.
1506
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,080
It's lunchtime.
1507
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,360
- Yeah. Need to grab something to eat.
1508
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:50,200
- I feel a bit weird being out here
with you.
1509
01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,640
I feel like... "This is Trond!
1510
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,760
"This is Trond!"
1511
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,080
- I'm not famous.
1512
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,840
- But...almost, why not?
1513
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,480
Because you hold...
1514
01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:06,080
Through the fund, you hold the future
of everybody here.
1515
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,640
Y-You...
1516
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,600
It is true?
- Yeah.
1517
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,200
- The billions they've earned from oil
and gas has given Norwegians
1518
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:15,200
one of the world's highest standards
of living...
1519
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,520
After you.
1520
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,080
..but, of course, pumping out all
those fossil fuels
1521
01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,320
has contributed hugely to climate
change.
1522
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:22,680
What are you going to have?
1523
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,200
I would love the prawn...
1524
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:27,000
Shrimp sandwich, please.
1525
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,800
So, do they make up for that with
their Wealth Fund?
1526
01:22:29,800 --> 01:22:31,680
They do follow some ethical rules -
1527
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:34,200
avoiding dodgy regimes and big tobacco
-
1528
01:22:34,200 --> 01:22:36,720
but mostly it's run for pure profit.
1529
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,320
Ultimately, the Norwegian government
controls the fund,
1530
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,200
and has instructed Trond to invest up
to just 2%
1531
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,720
in renewable energy.
1532
01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:45,840
Why so small?
1533
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,280
- Well, it could be up to 2%.
1534
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:48,760
- Mm.
1535
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,600
- And we are now at 1...
1536
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,080
Sorry, 0.2%.
1537
01:22:52,080 --> 01:22:56,360
Something like that. So there's a long
way to go.
1538
01:22:56,360 --> 01:22:58,920
- So, you've got a tiny percentage of
the fund at the moment
1539
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:00,200
invested in...
- At the moment.
1540
01:23:00,200 --> 01:23:02,480
- ..renewables, in sustainables.
- Yeah, yeah.
1541
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:04,400
- I suppose my worry, as an outsider,
1542
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:07,560
looking at this incredible fund that
you've built,
1543
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:10,560
is still its investments...
1544
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:14,560
I don't feel like it's aggressive
enough as a national fund.
- Mm.
1545
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,640
- Aggressively investing in the
future,
1546
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:19,600
in renewables,
1547
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:21,360
in green cement,
1548
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,120
in developing green steel, for
example,
1549
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:26,280
which Norway could create.
1550
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,680
There must be people saying,
1551
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,640
"Trond and the fund should be
investing more in such and such."
1552
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:34,440
- No, absolutely. All the time.
- A lot of pressure?
- Yeah.
1553
01:23:34,440 --> 01:23:37,520
We're trying to keep this fund as
apolitical
1554
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:39,960
as possible in Norway.
- Mm.
1555
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:45,360
- So all we do is with a financial
return in mind.
1556
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,600
- Not for ethical reasons?
- No.
1557
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:51,520
But it wouldn't be right for us, as
the managers of the fund,
1558
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,320
under the mandate that we're given,
1559
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,600
to do anything else than what we're
told to do.
1560
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,680
So that aggressiveness,
1561
01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:01,200
aggressiveness or change of direction
or pressure,
1562
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,240
needs to come from the ultimate owners
of the fund.
1563
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,200
- Norway.
- Norway. The people.
1564
01:24:07,200 --> 01:24:08,960
Yeah. No, absolutely. Absolutely.
1565
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,200
- And there's not overwhelming
pressure here to change direction.
1566
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,280
Norwegian politicians say they extract
oil more cleanly
1567
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:18,560
than other countries,
1568
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,720
and their fossil fuels allow Europe to
reduce reliance on states
1569
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,960
like Russia and Saudi Arabia.
1570
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:28,320
Critics say Norway's too dependent on
the fossil fuel economy,
1571
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:30,640
that Norwegians are sitting rather too
happily
1572
01:24:30,640 --> 01:24:32,320
on their pile of oil money,
1573
01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:35,200
are becoming less entrepreneurial than
other Scandis
1574
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:39,360
and aren't really facing-up to their
national role in climate change.
1575
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,920
So not everyone here supports the oil
economy
1576
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,960
and the policies behind it.
1577
01:24:43,960 --> 01:24:47,840
I met up with musician and campaigner
Bente Lorentzen.
1578
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:53,400
- I think the oil industry has done a
very, very good job
1579
01:24:53,400 --> 01:24:57,760
in sort of selling a story to the
Norwegian people
1580
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,440
about the oil adventure
1581
01:25:00,440 --> 01:25:04,200
and how it suddenly turned our entire
society
1582
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:06,320
into a very wealthy one.
1583
01:25:06,320 --> 01:25:11,600
But there's a huge part of the story
that's left out.
1584
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,320
- Which is?
- Obviously a big part of the story
that's left out
1585
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,840
is the environmental impact.
1586
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,480
- Bente was taking me to her home
village in northern Norway,
1587
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:23,560
where she's been fighting a battle
against the oil industry.
1588
01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:31,200
It was a journey of around 700 miles
by rail and sea,
1589
01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,360
into the Arctic Circle
1590
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,680
and up to a remote corner of the
country.
1591
01:25:37,480 --> 01:25:39,080
Bente grew up here,
1592
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:41,560
in the idyllic fishing village of
Henningsvaer.
1593
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:44,760
Permission to come on.
- Hi!
1594
01:25:44,760 --> 01:25:47,200
- She arranged for her old friend,
Captain Havard,
1595
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:48,880
to take us out in his fishing boat.
1596
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,480
- OK.
- Hi.
1597
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:56,760
Thank you. I'm looking forward to
this.
1598
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,200
Oh, come on!
1599
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:05,920
Ha!
1600
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:08,920
I think Norway has a solid claim
1601
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,040
to be the most beautiful country in
the world.
1602
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,920
I mean, look at it!
1603
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,360
I do not say that lightly,
1604
01:26:16,360 --> 01:26:18,680
but this really does it for me.
1605
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:20,600
Everywhere I'm looking in the
distance,
1606
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,200
there are the misty mountains.
1607
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:24,600
It gets me here.
1608
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:31,600
On the edge of the Arctic Ocean,
1609
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:36,360
this is one of the world's most
important fish spawning areas.
1610
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,640
The Lofoten Islands attract
spectacular wildlife -
1611
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,760
including orcas, sperm whales, seals,
otters,
1612
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,000
kittiwakes and puffins.
1613
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:48,640
Havard decided introductions were in
order with some of the locals.
1614
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,240
- Ah, it's coming.
- It's coming.
1615
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,040
No!
1616
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:07,680
Wow!
- What?!
1617
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:12,200
- Incoming!
1618
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:15,400
- Oh, wow!
- Oh, my gosh!
1619
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:23,040
I really felt that in my heart.
1620
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,480
Boom! And it's off!
1621
01:27:26,480 --> 01:27:27,640
- Yeah.
1622
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:29,560
To feed the kids.
1623
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:30,960
- To feed the kids.
- Yeah.
1624
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,280
They call this a particularly
vulnerable
1625
01:27:38,280 --> 01:27:40,120
and valuable area.
1626
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:44,200
Because if you look at the Lofoten
Islands as a whole...
- Yeah.
1627
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:50,560
- ..it's kind of like a small arm
sticking into the deep ocean.
1628
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:57,360
And it creates this magnificent
gathering of plankton and food
1629
01:27:57,360 --> 01:28:00,640
for the seabirds and the fish,
1630
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,200
which again attracts whales.
1631
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:05,200
Some of the whales that we have here,
1632
01:28:05,200 --> 01:28:07,440
they swim from the west coast of
Africa
1633
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:11,800
to come right here to get their
favourite food.
1634
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:16,560
- That's quite a privilege and
responsibility, isn't it?
1635
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:17,720
- Yeah.
1636
01:28:17,720 --> 01:28:20,800
- Given that the Norwegians have
already earned a few bob
1637
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:22,720
from the fossil fuel industry,
1638
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,760
you might think they'd try to keep the
Lofotens,
1639
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:28,640
home to some of Europe's largest
seabird colonies, pristine.
1640
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:30,320
But no.
1641
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:32,200
- For years and years and years,
1642
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:37,200
they tried to open this area for
exploration
1643
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,560
and oil and gas activity.
1644
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,200
This area in particular,
1645
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,000
we're talking of a concentration of
wildlife
1646
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,600
that's unique in the world.
1647
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:51,440
If an oil spill would happen in this
area,
1648
01:28:51,440 --> 01:28:56,960
it would take less than 24 hours for
the oil to reach shore.
1649
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,080
- So you're talking about the risk of
disruption
1650
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:02,560
as they explore for oil,
1651
01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:06,200
and potentially destruction if
something goes wrong?
1652
01:29:06,200 --> 01:29:10,200
- Yeah.
- Which, of course, it has done
numerous times around the world.
1653
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:11,600
- Yeah.
1654
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:14,880
- There could be up to three billion
barrels of oil
1655
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:16,440
under the seabed here -
1656
01:29:16,440 --> 01:29:19,200
and, of course, oil-dependent
economies want to buy that,
1657
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,000
to run cars and generate electricity,
1658
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:24,800
but a group of locals said no.
1659
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:28,960
Bente helped found the People's Action
for an Oil-free Lofoten,
1660
01:29:28,960 --> 01:29:30,640
a grass-roots group.
1661
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:32,880
More than 7,000 people joined.
1662
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,200
Bente was one of the leaders of a
campaign
1663
01:29:36,200 --> 01:29:40,560
to stop the oil and gas industry
coming to these islands.
1664
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,560
And what's incredible is they won.
1665
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:47,800
Drilling's been stopped here,
1666
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:51,440
but Norway's still one of the top
global oil and gas producers,
1667
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:55,000
pumping out almost two million barrels
of oil every day.
1668
01:29:56,600 --> 01:29:59,600
Well, campaigners here won that
battle,
1669
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:03,720
but Norway been described as the most
aggressive
1670
01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:06,200
explorer for new oil and gas fields in
Europe.
1671
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:11,520
It's awarded hundreds of exploration
licenses over the last decade -
1672
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:12,920
and just earlier this year,
1673
01:30:12,920 --> 01:30:16,040
Norway became the first country in the
world
1674
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:20,360
to allow commercial mining of the
seabed,
1675
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,200
even though campaigners and experts
have warned
1676
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:26,520
that could be catastrophic for marine
life.
1677
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,360
One day, Norway's oil will run out,
1678
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,800
but they do have another great
resource -
1679
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,440
the sea.
1680
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:50,320
Orca!
1681
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:54,360
Oh, my God!
1682
01:30:56,160 --> 01:30:57,440
Right in front of us!
1683
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:01,880
I have never been so close!
1684
01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:03,960
One, two, three, four, five.
1685
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,360
Six maybe.
1686
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:06,680
Seven!
1687
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:13,320
They came up, they had a play, and
they went back down.
1688
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:17,200
Norway is second only to Canada
1689
01:31:17,200 --> 01:31:19,680
for the longest coastline on the
planet.
1690
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,200
So, for centuries, the Norwegians have
used
1691
01:31:22,200 --> 01:31:23,720
the bounty of the ocean.
1692
01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:26,360
The deep, cold waters off the coast of
Norway
1693
01:31:26,360 --> 01:31:30,200
have always offered amazing fishing.
1694
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:33,200
But the small communities along the
coast,
1695
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:38,240
over decades, transformed themselves
from fishermen to fish farmers.
1696
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:41,520
Dotted along Norway's coast
1697
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:45,200
and through many of its fjords are now
huge fish pens,
1698
01:31:45,200 --> 01:31:47,200
collectively holding - in particular -
1699
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,720
hundreds of millions of farmed
Atlantic salmon.
1700
01:31:50,720 --> 01:31:54,200
Norway now produces half of all the
world's farmed salmon.
1701
01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:55,600
It's a huge business,
1702
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,560
worth almost ยฃ10 billion a year.
1703
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,200
The industry's come in for serious
criticism -
1704
01:32:01,200 --> 01:32:03,000
especially about pollution.
1705
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,760
In places, the concentration of fish
poo
1706
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:07,640
and chemicals used to treat the salmon
1707
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,200
have been devastating for the
environment.
1708
01:32:10,200 --> 01:32:12,480
It's a type of factory farming.
1709
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:15,880
And now they've supersized their
operations.
1710
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,200
This is Havfarm 1.
1711
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,160
The world's largest offshore fish
farm.
1712
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,920
Oh, my goodness.
1713
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,840
Inge, it's absolutely enormous!
1714
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:47,760
- Yes.
- Look at the length of this!
1715
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,200
- It's 385 metres.
1716
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:54,960
It's 35,000 tonnes of steel.
1717
01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:58,720
And the depth is 50 metres depth.
1718
01:32:58,720 --> 01:33:01,200
- Nearly as long as an aircraft
carrier.
1719
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,880
- I think it's 50, 60 metres longer
1720
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:06,600
than the biggest aircraft carrier,
actually.
1721
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,560
- Inge Berg is a billionaire -
1722
01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,400
one of the godfathers of Norwegian
fish farming.
1723
01:33:14,440 --> 01:33:16,120
He had this built in China.
1724
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:18,840
It's thought to be the largest
structure ever transported
1725
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:20,720
on a heavy lift vessel.
1726
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:22,760
Inge claims it's improved or resolved
1727
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,920
many of the problems with the fish
farm industry.
1728
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,640
- When it's bad weather, it's not so
easy - like this today.
1729
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:30,840
- Yeah, I can imagine.
1730
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,560
- Six cages like this.
1731
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,200
- And I can see some of the fish
jumping here.
- Yeah.
1732
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,360
- How many fish have you got here?
1733
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:51,000
- Today, I think there are 2.2 million
in total.
1734
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:53,720
- 2.2 million fish?!
1735
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:55,200
- In total, yeah.
1736
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:56,920
In the whole... Yeah.
1737
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:58,640
- That is staggering.
1738
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:02,400
Why didn't you want to be in a fjord?
1739
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,200
Why did you want to be offshore?
1740
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:09,640
- In the fjord, it's become more
controversial to be there.
1741
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:11,960
Here, you see, there is nothing around
us,
1742
01:34:11,960 --> 01:34:16,200
so we don't see any environmental
footprint
1743
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:17,640
of this production so far.
1744
01:34:19,720 --> 01:34:22,880
- Inge says, by positioning this out
at sea,
1745
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,520
the tons of poo from the fish will be
diluted and washed away -
1746
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:28,960
rather than settling on the floor of a
fjord,
1747
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:33,200
damaging the marine environment and
wild salmon populations.
1748
01:34:33,200 --> 01:34:35,880
Apparently it's time for feeding.
1749
01:34:35,880 --> 01:34:38,360
Just a handful of people work here.
1750
01:34:38,360 --> 01:34:41,960
Feeding and pretty much everything is
automated and high-tech.
1751
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,680
Instead of using chemicals to tackle
another problem
1752
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,920
with farmed salmon, they use lasers.
1753
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,040
So, this is called a Stingray.
- Yeah.
1754
01:34:52,040 --> 01:34:56,200
- And this is to combat a major
problem
1755
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,400
that farmed salmon have, isn't it?
1756
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:02,600
Which is that they get lice - salmon
lice - on them?
- Yeah.
1757
01:35:02,600 --> 01:35:05,920
We are using this to remove the salmon
lice.
1758
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:10,240
- How much does a laser unit to zap
salmon lice cost?
1759
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:11,760
- Very expensive.
1760
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:13,320
- LAUGHTER
1761
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:15,800
Yeah, I can imagine.
1762
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:22,680
It's thought 90% of the planet's wild
fish stocks are over-fished.
1763
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:24,640
Over the last century, life in our
oceans
1764
01:35:24,640 --> 01:35:27,200
has taken an absolute hammering.
1765
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:30,480
The fish farm industry claims it's
better for our oceans
1766
01:35:30,480 --> 01:35:33,600
if we eat farmed fish rather than wild
fish.
1767
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,480
The industry's grown dramatically,
massively.
1768
01:35:36,480 --> 01:35:38,880
More than half of all fish and
shellfish
1769
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:41,480
consumed by humans is now farmed.
1770
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:46,760
We headed back to land to see where
they zap salmon lice with lasers.
1771
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:50,840
- So, here we have the operation
centre.
1772
01:35:54,080 --> 01:35:56,040
- Goodness me.
1773
01:35:56,040 --> 01:35:58,320
- We are measuring everything
1774
01:35:58,320 --> 01:36:01,200
and we are having control of the water
quality
1775
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:03,200
and temperature and everything.
1776
01:36:03,200 --> 01:36:07,880
- And I can see on the screen here -
there's a zap, basically.
1777
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:09,680
- Yes, the red one is the pulses.
1778
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:12,200
- Right.
- It's detecting the lice on the fish
1779
01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:13,480
and shooting it.
1780
01:36:13,480 --> 01:36:16,320
- Does it dislodge the lice? Or it
kills the lice?
1781
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:17,760
- It kills it.
1782
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:18,920
Grills it.
1783
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,200
- Grills it.
- Yes.
1784
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,200
- Inge claims this is one of the most
efficient methods
1785
01:36:23,200 --> 01:36:24,840
of meat production -
1786
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:26,680
with low inputs of feed.
1787
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:32,040
How does the conversion of feed to
fish compare with other...
1788
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,720
- Yeah, you can see here.
- ..farm products?
1789
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:37,720
- We are one kilo feed to produce one
kilo fish.
1790
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,200
When you see a chicken,
1791
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:43,000
it's close to two kilo feed to produce
one kilo of chicken.
1792
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,360
And I think pork is close to three
kilo feed
1793
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,080
to produce one kilo pork.
1794
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,200
- To balance sustainability with
feeding
1795
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,760
all the people who want to eat animal
protein,
1796
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:56,680
that ratio matters.
1797
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:58,480
All right, I'm ready to go in.
1798
01:37:03,400 --> 01:37:05,720
The salmon are killed by electrocution
1799
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,080
and then processed.
1800
01:37:08,960 --> 01:37:12,240
This is mechanical fish gutting.
1801
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:17,680
I think I'm going to have nightmares
about this.
1802
01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:23,040
I feel torn seeing this.
1803
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,560
I may well have eaten salmon
1804
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,080
that's come through this factory.
1805
01:37:29,080 --> 01:37:35,360
It's definitely a better form of
industrial fish production
1806
01:37:35,360 --> 01:37:37,200
than in may other fish farms.
1807
01:37:38,600 --> 01:37:41,160
But I find it quite hard to witness
1808
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:45,520
this sort of industrialisation of
farming, of fishing.
1809
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:47,000
It's hard to stomach.
1810
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:51,200
The industry argues that, done as
cleanly and humanely as possible,
1811
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,480
fish farming can help protect wild
stocks of fish
1812
01:37:54,480 --> 01:37:56,600
from being further decimated.
1813
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:59,440
But all forms of fish farming are
controversial
1814
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:01,640
for welfare and environmental reasons.
1815
01:38:01,640 --> 01:38:05,040
The long-term impact of this new
factory is not yet known.
1816
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,200
In midsummer,
1817
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,520
in the far north of Scandinavia,
1818
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,720
the days are endless.
1819
01:38:23,720 --> 01:38:25,640
Oh, this is weird.
1820
01:38:25,640 --> 01:38:31,120
So, it's now nearly 11:20 on a Sunday
night...
1821
01:38:33,080 --> 01:38:34,840
..and the sun is out.
1822
01:38:34,840 --> 01:38:37,120
Because this is the land of the
midnight sun.
1823
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:43,760
And I've got to tell you, it's a bit
odd.
1824
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,240
It's doing my head in.
1825
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,200
Even with the sun up at night,
1826
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:52,680
Scandinavia still feels familiar for a
Brit.
1827
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,640
Then I was driving into a small town,
1828
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:56,400
heading towards a bed for the night,
1829
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:57,760
when I spotted something that I think
1830
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,520
illustrates a key difference.
1831
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:01,200
Oh, my goodness.
1832
01:39:01,200 --> 01:39:02,680
Oh, we've got to see this.
1833
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:05,760
Look at this!
1834
01:39:05,760 --> 01:39:10,840
All of these flowers have been left
out here overnight.
1835
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:14,680
It's actually even more astonishing.
1836
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:16,560
So, this is...
1837
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,480
This is like an honesty shop.
1838
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:23,800
They've just left all of this open
1839
01:39:23,800 --> 01:39:29,360
and are trusting people to pay using a
QR code here,
1840
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,880
or you can give this code on an app
1841
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:34,960
to buy what's here.
1842
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:36,520
They've just left this!
1843
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:41,000
Flowers, chocolates, vases.
1844
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:42,680
SIMON GASPS
1845
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:44,920
Alcohol-free, but still.
1846
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,200
As a Brit, I was immediately thinking
how,
1847
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:51,600
in most towns elsewhere,
1848
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,880
this place would be robbed or
vandalised.
1849
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:55,720
But Scandinavia is special.
1850
01:39:56,680 --> 01:39:59,280
There's stock out here and in there
1851
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:01,680
worth thousands of pounds.
1852
01:40:01,680 --> 01:40:04,880
This for me, I think, is one of the
greatest,
1853
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:07,080
clearest examples I've seen
1854
01:40:07,080 --> 01:40:12,200
of something that is central to the
success of modern Scandinavia,
1855
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:13,520
and that is trust.
1856
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,200
They have trust in their community,
1857
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:19,000
in their government to a large extent,
1858
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,600
and in each other.
1859
01:40:20,600 --> 01:40:22,200
But they've got it.
1860
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:23,520
And I think we've lost it.
1861
01:40:28,400 --> 01:40:30,640
It was time for me to leave Norway
1862
01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:32,840
and its spectacular Lofoten Islands.
1863
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,720
I travelled across the North Atlantic
1864
01:40:46,720 --> 01:40:49,240
to visit another branch of the Scandi
family.
1865
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:03,040
Iceland is a volcanic outcrop of fire
and ice -
1866
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:04,920
not even the size of England.
1867
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,960
And with a tiny population - about the
same as Leicester.
1868
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:14,200
Geographically, this isn't strictly
part of Scandinavia,
1869
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:15,640
but the links are strong.
1870
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:19,200
Genetically speaking,
1871
01:41:19,200 --> 01:41:22,400
Iceland is definitely Scandinavian.
1872
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:26,720
It was largely created by, let's be
honest,
1873
01:41:26,720 --> 01:41:28,680
outlaws from western Norway -
1874
01:41:28,680 --> 01:41:31,240
and they still speak a version of Old
Norse.
1875
01:41:32,280 --> 01:41:33,560
- So I'm an outlaw now?
1876
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:36,200
- Yeah, are people going to take
offence at that?
1877
01:41:36,200 --> 01:41:39,000
- SIMON LAUGHS
- No, we're partially insane.
1878
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:44,800
- Cross the Atlantic and then live on
a volcanic island with no food.
1879
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:50,240
- Yes, that doesn't sound like the
wisest move by your ancestors.
1880
01:41:54,200 --> 01:41:58,560
Helga Torfadottir is going to be my
guide in Iceland,
1881
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:00,880
a place quite unlike anywhere I've
ever been.
1882
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:05,520
So, what is...? What is this?
1883
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:09,120
- This is the newest addition to
Iceland.
1884
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:12,720
- This is all new lava flow around us?
- Yeah.
1885
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:13,920
Yeah.
- Wow.
1886
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,520
- It's been raining, but the lava's
still hot.
1887
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:20,400
So, when the water hits the lava flow,
1888
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,200
it just turns into steam.
1889
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:25,360
- Can we stop just up here? Is that
possible?
1890
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:32,040
That is an astonishing sight.
1891
01:42:33,200 --> 01:42:36,680
As well as being one of those
partially insane Icelanders,
1892
01:42:36,680 --> 01:42:39,200
Helga's a volcanologist.
1893
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:40,600
So this is your world?
1894
01:42:40,600 --> 01:42:42,280
- This is my world.
1895
01:42:42,280 --> 01:42:46,200
And my playground, actually - my
office.
1896
01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:49,680
- I think, for most of us on the
planet,
1897
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:54,840
we take stability... really, for
granted.
1898
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:57,640
But not here.
1899
01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:01,000
- Well, we have to live with it and
work with it somehow.
1900
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,200
Like, nature is in charge
1901
01:43:03,200 --> 01:43:06,600
and we just learn as we go, I guess.
1902
01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:19,920
- This cooling lava's from the
Sundhnukur volcano -
1903
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:23,080
a fissure eruption destroying
everything in its path.
1904
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:28,280
- We're going to go into the town of
Grindavik.
1905
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:30,200
- Is it safe to go in there?
1906
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:33,880
- Well, not really.
1907
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:37,240
The future of Grindavik is a bit
unsure.
1908
01:43:40,200 --> 01:43:43,200
- More than 3,000 people living in
Grindavik
1909
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:45,640
were evacuated before the volcano
erupted.
1910
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:49,600
- Oh, do not want to drive here.
1911
01:43:52,760 --> 01:43:57,200
- Earthquakes from the eruption opened
up deep chasms beneath the town.
1912
01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:59,840
- The town is sort of, like, masking a
little bit
1913
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:03,200
what you should be seeing naturally
below.
1914
01:44:03,200 --> 01:44:05,200
- Right.
1915
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:06,880
It's not just Grindavik.
1916
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,040
Even the area around the capital city,
Reykjavik,
1917
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:14,600
is under threat from nearby volcanoes
and earthquakes.
1918
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:18,520
- The whole island is a volcanic
island
1919
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:20,920
and there's threats everywhere,
1920
01:44:20,920 --> 01:44:22,480
depending on how you look at it.
1921
01:44:22,480 --> 01:44:24,720
Our kind of motto in life here in
Iceland
1922
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:26,000
is "thetta reddast" -
1923
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:30,040
which means it will work itself out
somehow.
1924
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:32,960
But people also think,
1925
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:34,880
"Well, not in my lifetime.
1926
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:38,200
"Of course we're not going to have a
catastrophe in my lifetime."
1927
01:44:38,200 --> 01:44:44,360
- Mm.
- But it has to land on someone's
lifetime, and we are that lifetime.
1928
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:50,400
- Iceland's volcanoes aren't just a
threat to people who live here.
1929
01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:52,560
In 2010, you might remember,
1930
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,560
an ash cloud from an eruption drifted
across Europe,
1931
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:58,640
shut down airspace and grounded
thousands of flights -
1932
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:02,680
the largest air-traffic shut-down
since World War II.
1933
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:05,520
Yet, in historical terms, that was
just a baby.
1934
01:45:05,520 --> 01:45:07,440
So we just stopped by the side of this
track
1935
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:12,320
to have a look at this colossal lava
field here.
1936
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,840
So, this is the lava
1937
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:19,760
from one of the largest eruptions in
recorded history.
1938
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:23,720
The Laki eruption of the early 1780s.
1939
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:25,560
So, under here, there is stone...
1940
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:28,360
..from lava, basically,
1941
01:45:28,360 --> 01:45:32,800
and then on top of that has grown
quite a delicate moss.
1942
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:37,200
That was an eruption that had enormous
consequences
1943
01:45:37,200 --> 01:45:41,040
for Iceland, but also for the world as
well.
1944
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:46,200
So much debris was spewed out during
the eruption,
1945
01:45:46,200 --> 01:45:49,520
into the atmosphere, that there was a
haze
1946
01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:53,200
that could be seen in the sky from
Europe
1947
01:45:53,200 --> 01:45:55,000
to China and Japan.
1948
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:57,800
It affected crop harvests.
1949
01:45:57,800 --> 01:46:01,400
It caused changes to weather systems.
1950
01:46:01,400 --> 01:46:06,480
It's even thought to have created poor
harvests in Europe
1951
01:46:06,480 --> 01:46:09,000
which led quite directly
1952
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:10,600
to the hunger and the famine
1953
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:15,320
which was one of the main drivers
behind the French Revolution.
1954
01:46:15,320 --> 01:46:19,400
So don't imagine that events that
happen far away
1955
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,240
can't have extraordinary consequences.
1956
01:46:24,200 --> 01:46:27,200
So, big questions for volcanologists
like Helga
1957
01:46:27,200 --> 01:46:28,600
are which one's next?
1958
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:29,960
And how bad could it be?
1959
01:46:32,200 --> 01:46:34,480
To find out, she took me off-road.
1960
01:46:40,040 --> 01:46:45,800
We headed up onto Myrdalsjokull - one
of Iceland's 269 glaciers.
1961
01:46:48,200 --> 01:46:51,120
It is so stark up here.
1962
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:55,400
Life is reduced down to such basic
elements.
1963
01:46:56,400 --> 01:46:57,680
Black and white.
1964
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:02,480
Glaciers cover around 10% of Iceland.
1965
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:07,680
Due to climate change, many glaciers
have retreated exceptionally fast
1966
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:09,640
over the last two decades.
1967
01:47:09,640 --> 01:47:11,960
It's feared they could lose half their
volume
1968
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:13,200
by the end of the century.
1969
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:21,480
We're taking it pretty slowly just
because this is a fragile surface.
1970
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:25,200
There are crevasses -
1971
01:47:25,200 --> 01:47:27,240
and we do not want to fall into one.
1972
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:36,520
We're now really up on top of the
glacier.
1973
01:47:37,720 --> 01:47:40,480
You feel quite exposed up here.
1974
01:47:49,440 --> 01:47:51,240
No, I did not see a crevasse!
1975
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:57,440
This glacier ice cap is enormous -
1976
01:47:57,440 --> 01:47:59,600
200 square miles,
1977
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:02,440
with an average depth of 200m thick.
1978
01:48:04,280 --> 01:48:08,480
But what's happening below the ice is
what Helga wanted to show me.
1979
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:16,600
So, just recently here...
1980
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:20,320
..they made quite an amazing
discovery.
1981
01:48:22,280 --> 01:48:23,720
An ice cave!
1982
01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,200
- Continue forwards.
1983
01:48:29,200 --> 01:48:32,440
- Underneath millions of tons of ice,
1984
01:48:32,440 --> 01:48:36,440
this cave shows what lies further
beneath our feet.
1985
01:48:36,440 --> 01:48:37,800
What are you seeing there?
- This is...
1986
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:41,960
..ash.
1987
01:48:41,960 --> 01:48:43,200
- Ash?
1988
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:48,200
From a volcanic eruption?
1989
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:51,600
- Yes, from a volcanic eruption
1990
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,880
from Katla volcano,
1991
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:56,840
which is just below us here.
1992
01:48:56,840 --> 01:48:59,720
- There's a volcano, what, underneath
us?
1993
01:48:59,720 --> 01:49:01,400
Over there? Where?
1994
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:05,480
- Basically underneath us, yes. We're
within Katla now.
1995
01:49:05,480 --> 01:49:07,480
- Which has erupted before?
1996
01:49:07,480 --> 01:49:10,880
- Last eruption was in 1918.
1997
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:12,600
That was a big explosive eruption.
1998
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,560
And this is the ash from that.
1999
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:19,080
- So, this ice contains secrets, then?
2000
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:20,280
- A lot of secrets.
2001
01:49:21,440 --> 01:49:24,480
- Above us, the glacier's like a heavy
lid
2002
01:49:24,480 --> 01:49:27,040
sitting on a pressure cooker below us
-
2003
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,200
the whopping Katla volcano.
2004
01:49:32,520 --> 01:49:35,040
- The rate we're melting the glacier,
2005
01:49:35,040 --> 01:49:38,440
it will release the pressure on Katla.
2006
01:49:38,440 --> 01:49:41,560
And if Katla has a shallow magma store
2007
01:49:41,560 --> 01:49:44,880
that technically is ready to erupt,
2008
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:48,200
you just need to set it off by a
little pressure release -
2009
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:51,640
similar to opening a soda bottle, you
see the bubbles rise,
2010
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:54,200
that you're relieving pressure from
the soda.
2011
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:56,520
That's a very similar thing here.
2012
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,400
- Just so I understand it -
2013
01:49:58,400 --> 01:50:02,800
this glacier is almost like a giant
ice cap...
2014
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:06,200
- Yes.
- ..on top of the Katla volcano?
2015
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:09,360
And its enormous weight -
2016
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:12,200
billions of tons of frozen water -
2017
01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:15,800
that compresses the tectonic plate, no
less, underneath it.
- The crust.
2018
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,200
- The crust of planet Earth.
- Yeah.
2019
01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:19,760
- As that melts away,
2020
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:25,800
it makes a volcanic eruption more
likely and more powerful?
2021
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,720
- More likely - not necessarily more
powerful.
2022
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:30,480
It's a rapid melting,
2023
01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:34,640
which then results in a rapid movement
of the crust.
2024
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:39,440
I don't think we should spend any more
time here.
- After you.
2025
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:40,640
- Thanks.
2026
01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:48,600
- Need to get out of here.
2027
01:50:51,040 --> 01:50:54,560
So, Helga's not happy with us being
through here
2028
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:59,080
because it's sunny outside
2029
01:50:59,080 --> 01:51:01,680
and that can mean there's an increased
melt...
2030
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:06,840
..and as a result, you can get a flash
flood
2031
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:08,200
coming through these caves,
2032
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,240
and obviously that could be
disastrous.
2033
01:51:17,200 --> 01:51:20,040
All right, well, we made it out here.
2034
01:51:20,040 --> 01:51:21,440
It's a little bit safer here,
2035
01:51:21,440 --> 01:51:24,800
but still not guaranteed safety.
2036
01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:29,960
The Katla volcano beneath us is huge,
2037
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:33,280
with a caldera roughly the size of
Paris.
2038
01:51:35,400 --> 01:51:38,440
This has really surprised me.
2039
01:51:38,440 --> 01:51:40,480
The melting of Earth's glaciers
2040
01:51:40,480 --> 01:51:44,320
can seem like a very distant story and
problem -
2041
01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,640
but here we have a situation where
climate change
2042
01:51:46,640 --> 01:51:50,840
is melting a glacier that could then
unleash destructive forces
2043
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:55,480
that could directly impact on tens or
hundreds of millions
2044
01:51:55,480 --> 01:51:57,720
of people around the world.
2045
01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,400
Katla's next eruption could be
catastrophic,
2046
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,920
pumping out a vast ash cloud high into
the atmosphere,
2047
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:08,720
polluting air with volcanic gasses,
2048
01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:10,200
grounding flights
2049
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:13,680
and destroying harvests across Europe
and North America.
2050
01:52:13,680 --> 01:52:17,520
Scientists expect the heat to
flash-melt the ice cap above,
2051
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:20,680
discharging flood waters at a greater
flow rate
2052
01:52:20,680 --> 01:52:22,760
than that of the Amazon River.
2053
01:52:27,800 --> 01:52:30,200
Living on a pressure cooker isn't all
bad
2054
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:32,040
for the people of Iceland.
2055
01:52:32,040 --> 01:52:35,200
They've tapped the unstable geology
and magma below ground
2056
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:39,200
to help provide masses of heat for
homes and power.
2057
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:42,040
Iceland's a renewable energy
superpower,
2058
01:52:42,040 --> 01:52:43,720
generating so much electricity
2059
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:47,680
they've set-up aluminium smelters and
host data centres -
2060
01:52:47,680 --> 01:52:49,440
which probably store some of your
photos
2061
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:51,240
in those mysterious clouds.
2062
01:52:54,200 --> 01:52:56,200
And now they're using renewable power
2063
01:52:56,200 --> 01:52:59,760
to remove some of the carbon dioxide,
CO2,
2064
01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:01,960
we've all been pumping into the
atmosphere -
2065
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:03,720
a major cause of climate change.
2066
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:05,640
Oh, my goodness!
- Yeah.
2067
01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:06,880
- Wow.
2068
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:11,040
Bergur Sigfusson is a geologist for a
firm called Carbfix.
2069
01:53:11,040 --> 01:53:14,400
They're into what's called carbon
capture.
2070
01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:17,200
So, Bergur, what is this?
2071
01:53:17,200 --> 01:53:19,920
- These are the collector containers.
2072
01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:24,760
They are sucking air into these
containers.
2073
01:53:24,760 --> 01:53:27,520
Inside them, they have a filter
2074
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:31,200
that selectively binds CO2 from the
air.
2075
01:53:31,200 --> 01:53:33,200
And then what comes out of the filter
2076
01:53:33,200 --> 01:53:36,400
is just air without CO2.
2077
01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:39,560
- Since the Industrial Revolution,
2078
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:43,520
we've been burning fossil fuels, coal,
2079
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,400
cutting down our forests,
2080
01:53:45,400 --> 01:53:48,560
we've been pumping carbon dioxide
2081
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:51,000
into the atmosphere, haven't we?
- Yeah, yeah.
2082
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:53,000
- What's being done here is
essentially
2083
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:57,640
sucking the carbon out of the air?
- Yes.
2084
01:53:57,640 --> 01:54:01,320
What comes out here is essentially air
2085
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:05,520
with pre-industrial CO2
concentrations.
2086
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:10,440
- So we're breathing some of the
purest air on the planet?
2087
01:54:10,440 --> 01:54:12,840
- Yeah, this is something that the
Earth hasn't seen
2088
01:54:12,840 --> 01:54:14,800
for a few hundred years.
2089
01:54:17,200 --> 01:54:19,200
- I'm filling my lungs.
- Yeah.
2090
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:23,200
But then...
- It does taste good.
2091
01:54:23,200 --> 01:54:24,880
- Doesn't it?
- It does.
2092
01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:30,760
There's concern about whether carbon
capture is remotely viable,
2093
01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:34,960
or that it might become a convenient
excuse to carry on polluting -
2094
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,480
but there's a lot of money in it.
2095
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:39,080
Companies and countries are trying to
make it work.
2096
01:54:40,760 --> 01:54:43,080
- Voila.
- Voila, yeah.
2097
01:54:43,080 --> 01:54:45,200
Here, they think they've cracked one
of the major problems
2098
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:46,680
with carbon capture -
2099
01:54:46,680 --> 01:54:49,920
where to safely store the carbon
dioxide, or CO2.
2100
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:51,440
What have we got here?
2101
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:53,080
LAUGHTER
2102
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:58,200
- So, earlier, the CO2 was captured
from the air.
2103
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:01,840
The CO2 was then compressed into a
column,
2104
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:04,000
and the CO2 was dissolved in water.
2105
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:08,520
So, we have like a machine that
creates soda stream.
2106
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:10,200
Just like the soda stream you drink.
2107
01:55:10,200 --> 01:55:11,840
- Yeah, so fizzy water.
2108
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:15,720
- Fizzy water. Three times more CO2
2109
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:18,680
than in the fizzy water that you buy
in the supermarket.
2110
01:55:18,680 --> 01:55:22,520
- Right.
- And this steel pipe here...
- BERGUR KNOCKS
2111
01:55:22,520 --> 01:55:25,680
- ..it goes all the way down to 350
metres.
2112
01:55:25,680 --> 01:55:29,560
And here we see an example of basalt.
2113
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:30,880
- Let's see this. So this...
2114
01:55:30,880 --> 01:55:32,200
Can I hold it?
2115
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:35,520
When you look at it, it looks like
Swiss cheese, doesn't it?
- Yes.
2116
01:55:35,520 --> 01:55:38,640
And then the water goes into these
bubbles,
2117
01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:42,840
into the formation, and then you end
up with something similar to this.
2118
01:55:42,840 --> 01:55:45,280
- Wow!
- So, here, these white specks here.
2119
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:47,920
- Yes?
- This is carbonate.
2120
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:51,000
And this is what will happen with
time.
2121
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:54,000
- This is the real magic, I think,
isn't it?
2122
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:58,560
You're turning fizzy water into rock.
2123
01:55:58,560 --> 01:56:01,520
- Yes. We are doing this in many
locations
2124
01:56:01,520 --> 01:56:03,280
with very good success,
2125
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:06,200
and this is what we're going to
continue to do.
2126
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:08,480
Make more white rocks.
2127
01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:10,200
- LAUGHTER
2128
01:56:10,200 --> 01:56:14,680
By 2030, carbon capture firms hope -
optimistically -
2129
01:56:14,680 --> 01:56:19,080
to be removing perhaps a few hundred
million tons of CO2 per year.
2130
01:56:19,080 --> 01:56:21,560
It's promising, but let's be
realistic.
2131
01:56:21,560 --> 01:56:24,840
That's still less than 1% of today's
emissions.
2132
01:56:25,960 --> 01:56:28,200
I think this is great. I do.
2133
01:56:28,200 --> 01:56:31,000
But this is still really small scale.
2134
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:35,360
This is like trying to bail out the
Titanic with a teaspoon.
2135
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:44,800
We have to reduce and stop burning
fossil fuels
2136
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:48,000
that our lives and industrialised
economies
2137
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,840
have depended upon now for
generations.
2138
01:56:50,840 --> 01:56:53,000
It's tough, but we can do it!
2139
01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:07,200
Next time, on the final leg of my
journey...
2140
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:08,800
Splash down!
2141
01:57:08,800 --> 01:57:10,200
- Off we go!
2142
01:57:10,200 --> 01:57:12,040
- ..I'm in Sweden and Denmark...
2143
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:14,680
Oh, my goodness! Look at that!
2144
01:57:14,680 --> 01:57:16,080
Pretty raunchy.
2145
01:57:17,200 --> 01:57:20,000
..discovering another side of
Scandinavia.
2146
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:23,040
You're wearing these in urban Sweden?
2147
01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:24,240
- Yes.
2148
01:57:59,700 --> 01:58:01,760
I'm on the rugged edge of Europe.
2149
01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:03,920
Visiting five Nordic countries.
2150
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:06,120
It's incredible, it's incredible.
2151
01:58:06,120 --> 01:58:08,520
Travelling through glorious forests...
2152
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:10,000
..and spectacular fjords.
2153
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:12,560
I think Norway has a solid claim
2154
01:58:12,560 --> 01:58:15,520
to be the most beautiful country in
the world.
2155
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:16,920
I mean, look at it!
2156
01:58:18,800 --> 01:58:21,040
Wow, dogs pulling a car!
2157
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:24,760
It's more than half a million square
miles of extremes.
2158
01:58:24,760 --> 01:58:27,080
This is low, this is low!
2159
01:58:27,080 --> 01:58:28,960
- This is my life.
2160
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:30,920
- Somebody's holding on to me, yeah?
2161
01:58:33,440 --> 01:58:35,880
- Now breathe, breathe.
2162
01:58:35,880 --> 01:58:37,080
- Off we go.
2163
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:38,440
- I'm hoping to understand
2164
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:41,080
how they've built some of the happiest
societies on the planet.
2165
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:42,440
Hey, guys!
- Morning.
2166
01:58:42,440 --> 01:58:44,000
- Good morning!
2167
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:46,280
And who have we got here?
2168
01:58:46,280 --> 01:58:48,480
What...?
2169
01:58:48,480 --> 01:58:50,520
LAUGHTER
2170
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:55,160
This is the most traditional Danish
lunch I have seen.
- Yes.
2171
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:56,640
- And why they now feel
2172
01:58:56,640 --> 01:58:58,400
they're in the firing line.
2173
01:58:58,400 --> 01:59:02,080
SantaPark is also a nuclear bunker?
- Yes, very much so.
2174
01:59:03,720 --> 01:59:06,400
- They are preparing to defend
Finland.
2175
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,160
- GUNFIRE
2176
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:11,840
Bloody hell.
2177
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:15,640
You're wearing these in urban Sweden?
- Yes.
2178
01:59:17,160 --> 01:59:20,080
- There's another side to Scandinavia.
2179
01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:21,360
- Ready to fire!
2180
01:59:21,360 --> 01:59:23,080
- ECHOING BLAST
2181
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:36,680
On this final leg of my Scandinavian
journey,
2182
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:39,440
I'm travelling from southern Sweden
into Denmark.
2183
01:59:43,040 --> 01:59:48,040
Two thirds of Sweden is covered in
trees, nearly 90 billion of them,
2184
01:59:48,040 --> 01:59:51,040
and a population of just over ten
million people.
2185
01:59:53,120 --> 01:59:55,800
Swedes love a cabin in the woods.
2186
01:59:55,800 --> 01:59:57,240
Not bad, eh?
2187
02:00:01,640 --> 02:00:08,080
I think, more than anywhere, Sweden
really defines Scandinavia.
2188
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:12,000
Tradition, modern design, gender
equality,
2189
02:00:12,000 --> 02:00:14,280
ABBA, and flat-pack furniture.
2190
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:19,080
Half of Swedes have access to a
holiday home like a simple
2191
02:00:19,080 --> 02:00:22,440
cabin by a lake or deep in the forest.
2192
02:00:22,440 --> 02:00:23,720
Nothing fancy.
2193
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:26,160
Just somewhere wholesome to get away.
2194
02:00:26,160 --> 02:00:28,640
Where they can eat their meatballs,
light some candles,
2195
02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:30,360
and get nude in a sauna.
2196
02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:31,960
So Swedish.
2197
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:34,920
What do you mean I'm going for
cliches?
2198
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:37,040
MUSIC: SOS by ABBA
2199
02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:38,360
- # So when you're near me
2200
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:40,320
# Darling, can't you hear me?
2201
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:41,640
# SOS. #
2202
02:00:41,640 --> 02:00:44,520
- For a generation, Swedes have done
incredibly well.
2203
02:00:44,520 --> 02:00:46,120
- # The love you gave me
2204
02:00:46,120 --> 02:00:47,920
# Nothing else can save me
2205
02:00:47,920 --> 02:00:49,920
# SOS. #
2206
02:00:49,920 --> 02:00:52,840
- They've excelled in rankings of the
healthiest, wealthiest,
2207
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:55,000
happiest people on Earth.
2208
02:00:55,000 --> 02:00:58,160
In many ways, since the 1960s, Sweden
has been the
2209
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:00,800
poster child for Scandi success.
2210
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:04,880
And those famous Scandinavian liberal
values.
2211
02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:07,480
But of course, that's not the whole
story.
2212
02:01:07,480 --> 02:01:09,040
All right, here we are.
2213
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:12,440
- # How can I carry on? #
2214
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:13,720
- Ready to fire!
2215
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:20,600
- Those lovely liberal Swedes are also
one of the world's
2216
02:01:20,600 --> 02:01:22,720
leading arms exporters.
2217
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:24,920
COMMANDS IN SWEDISH
2218
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:26,840
ECHOING BLAST
2219
02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:34,440
Bloody hell.
2220
02:01:34,440 --> 02:01:36,200
ALARMS BLARE
2221
02:01:36,200 --> 02:01:38,480
There are car alarms going off down
there.
2222
02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:40,920
That is much more than a shock.
2223
02:01:40,920 --> 02:01:45,400
It's through your whole body, and in
the entire area.
2224
02:01:45,400 --> 02:01:47,240
It's, it's slightly seismic.
2225
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:52,640
Swedish arms company Bofors has a
40-square-mile weapons
2226
02:01:52,640 --> 02:01:56,440
testing facility, one of the largest
in Europe.
2227
02:01:58,520 --> 02:02:01,800
The neutral Swedes avoided - some
would say dodged -
2228
02:02:01,800 --> 02:02:04,160
fighting in both World Wars.
2229
02:02:04,160 --> 02:02:07,560
But they now make and export more
weapons per head of population
2230
02:02:07,560 --> 02:02:10,080
than any country other than Russia and
Israel.
2231
02:02:10,080 --> 02:02:13,320
- Five, four, three, two, one.
2232
02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:14,960
Fire!
2233
02:02:14,960 --> 02:02:16,200
- BLAST
2234
02:02:17,480 --> 02:02:20,760
They're conducting hundreds and
hundreds of tests here every
2235
02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:25,680
year now, as the Swedish military and
Scandinavia enters a new era.
2236
02:02:27,000 --> 02:02:30,840
Many Scandinavians used to think they
live in a safe neighbourhood.
2237
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:34,720
But after Russia invaded Ukraine in
2022, everything changed.
2238
02:02:36,000 --> 02:02:40,560
Many now think it poses a direct
threat to Scandinavia as well.
2239
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:44,080
Sweden abandoned neutrality, joined
the NATO military alliance,
2240
02:02:44,080 --> 02:02:46,440
and ramped up weapons production even
more.
2241
02:02:47,840 --> 02:02:51,680
For Colonel Stefan Krol, business at
the Bofors test centre is booming.
2242
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:56,960
- The defence industry all over Europe
goes full speed ahead now.
2243
02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:00,240
They're building new factories,
building new production lines,
2244
02:03:00,240 --> 02:03:02,680
going 24/7.
2245
02:03:02,680 --> 02:03:06,480
And it's all due to the war in Europe,
ongoing.
2246
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:09,840
- There's almost been a handbrake turn
2247
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:12,920
and funding has increased
dramatically.
2248
02:03:12,920 --> 02:03:17,880
- Yes, in a way, it's dramatic and
it's a, it's a change of mindset.
2249
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:24,600
The threat levels have risen and it's
a huge demand of ammunition
2250
02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:29,000
right now that hasn't been there since
the Second World War.
2251
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:31,000
- Wartime production mode?
2252
02:03:31,000 --> 02:03:32,200
Is that what we're seeing?
2253
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:33,800
- In some way, yes.
2254
02:03:35,560 --> 02:03:40,040
- The Swedes were neutral for decades
and decades.
2255
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:41,280
And as a result,
2256
02:03:41,280 --> 02:03:44,520
they didn't feel like they could rely
on anyone for their defence.
2257
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:47,680
They built up their own defence
industry.
2258
02:03:47,680 --> 02:03:51,320
There is really no other country of
comparable size, of comparable
2259
02:03:51,320 --> 02:03:56,280
population that can produce its own
fighter jets and submarines.
2260
02:03:57,480 --> 02:03:59,440
They can do that in Sweden.
2261
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:06,440
The Swedes make some of the
2262
02:04:06,440 --> 02:04:09,240
most advanced weapons systems in the
world.
2263
02:04:09,240 --> 02:04:13,080
In one naval exercise, a stealthy
Swedish submarine even sank
2264
02:04:13,080 --> 02:04:15,080
a US aircraft carrier.
2265
02:04:15,080 --> 02:04:16,600
This is gorgeous.
2266
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:22,600
There's much about this region we
don't always recognise.
2267
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:25,520
As I saw in Finland, there's a
steeliness.
2268
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:28,320
They're also practical, competent and
innovative.
2269
02:04:29,720 --> 02:04:32,240
I headed to Stockholm, the capital, to
find
2270
02:04:32,240 --> 02:04:34,240
out more about what makes them tick.
2271
02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:41,560
So, I'm travelling into the centre of
Stockholm.
2272
02:04:41,560 --> 02:04:43,480
And I'm getting a lift.
2273
02:04:43,480 --> 02:04:45,400
Hello, Maria.
2274
02:04:45,400 --> 02:04:47,880
- Welcome.
- Is it OK to come on?
- Yes.
- Thank you.
2275
02:04:47,880 --> 02:04:49,440
It's not just a handshake, but...
2276
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:53,200
Yeah. Oh...! Perfect.
- OK.
- Thank you!
2277
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:57,400
This isn't just a fast boat.
2278
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:00,560
It's a boat that flies.
2279
02:05:04,440 --> 02:05:07,840
This beauty's the Candela electric
hydrofoil.
2280
02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:10,760
I'm sure you'll see it in a Bond film
at some point.
2281
02:05:10,760 --> 02:05:13,840
It is so smooth as to be quite
unnerving.
2282
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:18,360
You don't really realise the speed
that you're doing
2283
02:05:18,360 --> 02:05:20,160
until you look around.
2284
02:05:21,600 --> 02:05:24,760
This battery-powered boat leaves
virtually no wake
2285
02:05:24,760 --> 02:05:27,480
and uses a fraction of the energy of
other speedboats.
2286
02:05:28,640 --> 02:05:31,600
They're also hoping to use the
technology for local ferries.
2287
02:05:32,920 --> 02:05:36,520
A speedboat like this can be yours for
just a few 100,000...
2288
02:05:39,320 --> 02:05:41,240
Splashdown.
2289
02:05:41,240 --> 02:05:45,080
We've just landed - right in the
middle of Stockholm.
2290
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:46,640
This is the way to arrive.
2291
02:05:48,160 --> 02:05:51,200
I might insist on this in the future.
2292
02:05:51,200 --> 02:05:52,760
Thank you so much, Maria.
2293
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:54,480
- Thank you.
- Thank you very much indeed.
2294
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,120
What an amazing way to arrive.
2295
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:04,120
Wah!
2296
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:07,560
Central Stockholm.
2297
02:06:07,560 --> 02:06:08,760
Thank you, Maria.
2298
02:06:10,080 --> 02:06:12,840
Stockholm's often described as the
most beautiful
2299
02:06:12,840 --> 02:06:15,960
city in Scandinavia - admittedly
mainly by Swedes.
2300
02:06:15,960 --> 02:06:18,960
Like much of Scandinavia, it's
well-kept, charming,
2301
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:21,280
with functioning public transport.
2302
02:06:21,280 --> 02:06:22,800
Bit boring?
2303
02:06:22,800 --> 02:06:25,160
Locals certainly seem very content.
2304
02:06:25,160 --> 02:06:28,040
Sweden and its neighbours always top
the international
2305
02:06:28,040 --> 02:06:29,760
league tables for happiness.
2306
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:31,400
So how on earth do they do it?
2307
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:33,320
I wanted someone to explain,
2308
02:06:33,320 --> 02:06:36,680
so I headed to meet a man described as
looking like a hipster Jesus.
2309
02:06:36,680 --> 02:06:38,640
- Hey, Simon, right?
2310
02:06:38,640 --> 02:06:40,000
- Micael Dahlen
2311
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:43,000
is a professor at the renowned
Stockholm School of Economics
2312
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:45,040
So, big question -
2313
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:47,920
what is, it's been called the Nordic
model.
2314
02:06:47,920 --> 02:06:51,920
- Yeah.
- The Scandinavian way of running an
economy.
2315
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:53,680
How would you explain that?
2316
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:58,480
- Well, I think I'd use two words -
welfare economy.
2317
02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:02,400
We want everybody to have equal
opportunity.
2318
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:05,520
We have free health care, free
education,
2319
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:07,640
free virtually everything.
2320
02:07:08,800 --> 02:07:12,760
But we also want everybody to
contribute.
2321
02:07:12,760 --> 02:07:14,360
We're all in it together.
2322
02:07:14,360 --> 02:07:16,240
- This is key.
2323
02:07:16,240 --> 02:07:19,880
You get a lot as a Swede, and welfare
benefits are generous.
2324
02:07:19,880 --> 02:07:22,720
But, people are also expected to play
their part.
2325
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:24,480
- Please mind the brakes.
2326
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:26,120
- Please mind the brakes, OK.
2327
02:07:26,120 --> 02:07:27,920
The public are expected to work
2328
02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:31,120
and pay their taxes - to be productive
members of society.
2329
02:07:31,120 --> 02:07:33,160
Not stay on benefits.
2330
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:34,800
- Off we go.
2331
02:07:34,800 --> 02:07:37,720
- Micael's a professor of Economics
and Wellbeing, Welfare
2332
02:07:37,720 --> 02:07:39,040
and Happiness.
2333
02:07:39,040 --> 02:07:41,480
He's ranked number two in the world in
his field.
2334
02:07:41,480 --> 02:07:44,640
And he wanted to show me how Swedes
are all in it together...
2335
02:07:44,640 --> 02:07:46,920
Tell me about your tattoos, by the
way.
2336
02:07:46,920 --> 02:07:50,720
You've got some pretty distinctive
markings.
2337
02:07:50,720 --> 02:07:53,560
- Yeah, those are all notes to self.
2338
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:55,920
If I get 70%, it's not perfect.
2339
02:07:55,920 --> 02:07:58,480
It's never the best. But it's,
2340
02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:01,880
it's good enough.
- Do something to 70%?
2341
02:08:01,880 --> 02:08:05,480
- You never give 100% cos then you
will burn out.
2342
02:08:05,480 --> 02:08:09,000
You'll have performance anxiety that
everything needs to be perfect.
2343
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:11,040
- What is the eight signifying?
2344
02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:15,320
- So, the eight is the number of
seconds I need to give myself
2345
02:08:15,320 --> 02:08:17,520
before I react to something.
2346
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:20,080
I did the maths and eight is enough.
2347
02:08:20,080 --> 02:08:22,240
- You did the maths?
- I always do the maths.
2348
02:08:22,240 --> 02:08:24,320
I can't help myself.
- You're an economics professor!
2349
02:08:24,320 --> 02:08:27,040
- Exactly.
- Of course you did the maths.
2350
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:30,240
Well, the traffic lights have changed.
- Oh, wonderful.
2351
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:31,600
- There you go -
2352
02:08:31,600 --> 02:08:34,120
Micael says give it 70%.
2353
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:36,920
Economics is a hot topic here in
Scandinavia,
2354
02:08:36,920 --> 02:08:40,360
partly because tax rates are among the
highest in the world.
2355
02:08:40,360 --> 02:08:41,680
- You're doing beautifully.
2356
02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:43,320
- Yeah, I've got a foot down a lot.
2357
02:08:43,320 --> 02:08:46,520
But their disposable income - after
they've paid taxes -
2358
02:08:46,520 --> 02:08:50,800
is actually really high because so
much here is free - universities,
2359
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:54,640
health care, some elderly care, and
especially childcare.
2360
02:08:54,640 --> 02:08:58,520
By all accounts, this is a pretty good
place to raise a child.
2361
02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:00,280
What's going on here?
2362
02:09:02,240 --> 02:09:04,760
- I'd say this is a dads' group.
2363
02:09:04,760 --> 02:09:07,600
Enjoying their coffee. Latte papas.
2364
02:09:07,600 --> 02:09:09,920
- Latte papas.
- Hey, guys.
2365
02:09:09,920 --> 02:09:12,280
- Good morning.
- Good morning.
2366
02:09:12,280 --> 02:09:14,160
- It's a toddlers' group.
2367
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:16,640
And you all look very calm.
2368
02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:19,240
How much paternity leave do you get in
Sweden?
2369
02:09:19,240 --> 02:09:21,280
- 480 days.
2370
02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:24,040
- 480 days?
- Yeah.
2371
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:29,400
- And is that total parental leave or
that's paternity leave for dads?
2372
02:09:29,400 --> 02:09:31,640
- Total for both.
- Total for both.
- Yeah.
2373
02:09:31,640 --> 02:09:35,040
- And who pays the paternity leave?
2374
02:09:35,040 --> 02:09:39,360
- Well, the government.
- Taxes.
- Or taxes!
- Yeah. We all do.
2375
02:09:39,360 --> 02:09:41,520
- I'm coming in, if that's OK.
2376
02:09:42,680 --> 02:09:44,160
I'll move slowly.
2377
02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:51,080
I feel this is not just accepted -
it's enjoyed.
2378
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:52,680
It's part of life.
2379
02:09:52,680 --> 02:09:55,480
Would you agree? Do you know this?
2380
02:09:55,480 --> 02:09:59,040
- I've been home for six months, but I
can't see it affect me
2381
02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:01,200
negatively in any in any way.
2382
02:10:01,200 --> 02:10:03,080
It's natural.
2383
02:10:03,080 --> 02:10:07,040
- But it's also tactical by society,
isn't it?
2384
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:11,160
Because it's ensuring that women not
just continue to provide
2385
02:10:11,160 --> 02:10:15,920
economically for the family, but also
for the state as well.
2386
02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:19,680
- It would be super wasteful to take
all the moms
2387
02:10:19,680 --> 02:10:22,640
that are super smart - we don't want
to put them
2388
02:10:22,640 --> 02:10:28,400
off the market - they contribute so
much to our economy and welfare.
2389
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:31,040
- And of course, this being Sweden, I
think
2390
02:10:31,040 --> 02:10:34,880
women take up a greater percentage of
degrees than men, as well.
2391
02:10:34,880 --> 02:10:37,360
So they're the better-educated section
of the workforce.
2392
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:39,600
- Exactly.
- So, if you do the maths
2393
02:10:39,600 --> 02:10:44,280
and I love doing the maths, for every
month that a dad takes
2394
02:10:44,280 --> 02:10:50,440
paternal leave, the average increase
in salary for the mother increases.
2395
02:10:50,440 --> 02:10:54,000
So, it's, it's pure mathematics and
economics.
2396
02:10:54,000 --> 02:10:55,480
It's good for everyone.
2397
02:10:59,160 --> 02:11:03,120
- Almost as one, the dads have said,
2398
02:11:03,120 --> 02:11:05,360
"It's nap time.
2399
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:07,080
"We've got to go."
2400
02:11:07,080 --> 02:11:09,400
They've got a schedule and they know
what it is.
2401
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:13,920
It's easy to start thinking
everything's perfect here.
2402
02:11:13,920 --> 02:11:15,720
Of course it isn't.
2403
02:11:15,720 --> 02:11:19,040
Sweden has problems familiar in other
Western countries -
2404
02:11:19,040 --> 02:11:23,000
an ageing population, faltering
economic growth,
2405
02:11:23,000 --> 02:11:26,360
and beneath the surface, this country
has some more-dramatic,
2406
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:28,200
troubling fault lines.
2407
02:11:33,240 --> 02:11:35,880
I travelled south to the city of
Malmo.
2408
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:42,200
Just check, is this it?
2409
02:11:45,000 --> 02:11:48,640
John?
- I suppose it's the BBC...
2410
02:11:48,640 --> 02:11:50,600
- I'm Simon.
- Welcome, Simon.
2411
02:11:50,600 --> 02:11:53,040
- Nice to see you.
2412
02:11:53,040 --> 02:11:55,600
John Wallender runs an elite police
unit.
2413
02:12:03,160 --> 02:12:04,720
Bloody hell, John
2414
02:12:04,720 --> 02:12:07,440
- This is our armed vehicle
2415
02:12:07,440 --> 02:12:11,560
and basically we use it in high-risk
tasks.
2416
02:12:12,880 --> 02:12:18,120
This is the first police edition of
this vehicle in the world.
2417
02:12:19,160 --> 02:12:21,640
Some military units use it as well.
2418
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:25,080
- That is quite the beast.
- Absolutely.
2419
02:12:26,280 --> 02:12:28,000
- The Swedish police are arming-up
2420
02:12:28,000 --> 02:12:30,640
to confront an extraordinary
crimewave.
2421
02:12:33,400 --> 02:12:35,720
What's been happening here is
completely staggering.
2422
02:12:35,720 --> 02:12:39,360
There have been hundreds of shootings.
2423
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:42,960
Hand grenades have been thrown into
buildings.
2424
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:46,200
It's been described as low-intensity
conflict.
2425
02:12:47,880 --> 02:12:50,520
The Prime Minister here has said
Sweden has never known
2426
02:12:50,520 --> 02:12:52,080
anything like this.
2427
02:12:53,160 --> 02:12:56,920
Roughly ten years ago, violent crime
began to rise.
2428
02:12:56,920 --> 02:12:58,360
Dramatically.
2429
02:12:58,360 --> 02:13:01,520
Deadly shootings among drug gangs,
largely run by people
2430
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:05,400
from immigrant backgrounds, have since
more than tripled.
2431
02:13:05,400 --> 02:13:09,760
The gun murder rate in Stockholm is
now roughly 30 times that of London.
2432
02:13:09,760 --> 02:13:13,320
Sweden has the highest gun-crime death
rate in Europe,
2433
02:13:13,320 --> 02:13:15,720
after Montenegro and Albania.
2434
02:13:15,720 --> 02:13:17,880
And it's not just guns.
2435
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:20,400
Here's a bit of a clue to what this
squad does.
2436
02:13:21,960 --> 02:13:25,000
John is the head of one of Sweden's
three bomb squads.
2437
02:13:25,000 --> 02:13:26,160
- Welcome.
2438
02:13:27,080 --> 02:13:28,560
- Oh, my God.
2439
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:32,600
- We have gathered a whole lot of
things during our missions.
2440
02:13:32,600 --> 02:13:34,040
This is what we're dealing with.
2441
02:13:34,040 --> 02:13:35,560
- You've got grenades here.
2442
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:42,120
- The hand grenades are being used in
the criminal conflicts.
2443
02:13:42,120 --> 02:13:46,520
It's absolutely lethal.
- It's an astonishing situation.
- Yeah.
2444
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:49,720
And most of the hand grenades being
thrown are being thrown by very
2445
02:13:49,720 --> 02:13:52,600
young boys and girls.
2446
02:13:52,600 --> 02:13:54,280
- What sort of age is very young?
2447
02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:55,920
- We're talking high school age.
2448
02:13:55,920 --> 02:13:58,760
14, 15 years old.
2449
02:13:58,760 --> 02:14:00,600
- Seriously?
- Yeah.
2450
02:14:00,600 --> 02:14:04,560
Being used by the older criminals,
giving them
2451
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:08,640
assignments to, "OK, throw this
grenade on this site."
2452
02:14:08,640 --> 02:14:10,600
- That is quite staggering.
2453
02:14:10,600 --> 02:14:12,720
- It's totally non-acceptable.
2454
02:14:12,720 --> 02:14:14,800
- Kids throwing hand grenades?
2455
02:14:14,800 --> 02:14:16,120
- Yeah.
2456
02:14:16,120 --> 02:14:21,360
Somewhere around 2018, we experienced
a rapidly
2457
02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:25,360
increasing numbers of home-made bombs,
hand grenades and so on.
2458
02:14:25,360 --> 02:14:30,000
Those were mostly home-made bombs,
IEDs.
2459
02:14:30,000 --> 02:14:32,480
- IEDs, improvised explosive devices.
2460
02:14:32,480 --> 02:14:38,120
- Yeah.
- This is a phrase we only normally
hear about war zones.
2461
02:14:38,120 --> 02:14:39,160
- Yeah, I know.
2462
02:14:39,160 --> 02:14:41,200
- But this is what you're
encountering.
2463
02:14:41,200 --> 02:14:42,720
- Yeah, absolutely.
2464
02:14:42,720 --> 02:14:47,000
This is one of the typical Thermos
bombs.
2465
02:14:47,000 --> 02:14:48,560
- It's a Thermos flask?
2466
02:14:48,560 --> 02:14:50,600
- Yeah, just a common Thermos flask.
2467
02:14:50,600 --> 02:14:54,680
The criminals have stuffed them with
dynamite.
2468
02:14:54,680 --> 02:14:57,400
And then you have a very potent IED.
2469
02:14:57,400 --> 02:15:00,600
- Gangs are using this in Sweden?
2470
02:15:00,600 --> 02:15:03,560
- Yeah. Around 100 a year.
2471
02:15:03,560 --> 02:15:04,800
In criminal context.
2472
02:15:04,800 --> 02:15:07,760
- A year?!
- Yeah, a year.
2473
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:10,840
Being used in urban areas where people
are living.
2474
02:15:10,840 --> 02:15:13,200
- Two a week?
- Yeah.
2475
02:15:13,200 --> 02:15:15,600
- That's astonishing.
2476
02:15:15,600 --> 02:15:19,320
Gang warfare has exploded here -
fuelled by the rise in cocaine
2477
02:15:19,320 --> 02:15:22,120
use in Sweden and across Europe.
2478
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:24,960
Gangs have taken advantage of liberal
policies that
2479
02:15:24,960 --> 02:15:28,280
children shouldn't be arrested, and
actively recruited them.
2480
02:15:28,280 --> 02:15:32,120
Police say there's now around 1,200
child foot soldiers, bombers,
2481
02:15:32,120 --> 02:15:36,160
and even contract killers in their
early teens, working for the gangs.
2482
02:15:36,160 --> 02:15:37,760
So, they're giving me
2483
02:15:37,760 --> 02:15:41,400
a little bit of a sense of what it is
to be in the squad.
2484
02:15:44,920 --> 02:15:47,520
The situation is out of control.
2485
02:15:47,520 --> 02:15:50,440
Bomb units can get four call outs a
day.
2486
02:15:50,440 --> 02:15:51,920
- Now, let's go for the jacket.
2487
02:15:56,960 --> 02:15:58,680
- Oh, my God.
2488
02:15:58,680 --> 02:15:59,960
There's more?
2489
02:15:59,960 --> 02:16:02,840
- Front panel as well.
- OK.
2490
02:16:02,840 --> 02:16:04,360
- There you go.
2491
02:16:04,360 --> 02:16:05,560
- FAN WHIRS
2492
02:16:07,360 --> 02:16:09,200
A fan has just started up?
2493
02:16:09,200 --> 02:16:11,960
- Yes.
- It has built-in fans?
2494
02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:14,320
- It has built-in fans, a cooling
system.
2495
02:16:18,400 --> 02:16:20,360
- So the hands are clear?
2496
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:22,880
- The hands are the most unprotected.
2497
02:16:22,880 --> 02:16:25,120
If anything explodes, you'll live,
2498
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:26,920
but you might lose your hands.
2499
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:29,040
You need the feeling in your hands.
2500
02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:31,080
That's why we don't use gloves.
2501
02:16:31,080 --> 02:16:37,400
- Your guys are wearing these into
situations in urban Sweden.
2502
02:16:37,400 --> 02:16:39,000
- Yes.
2503
02:16:39,000 --> 02:16:40,760
- INDISTINCT
2504
02:16:41,800 --> 02:16:45,800
Overall, many crime rates here are
around the European average...
2505
02:16:48,960 --> 02:16:50,760
How on earth do you guys do this?
2506
02:16:51,960 --> 02:16:54,480
..but exploitation of children in
crime
2507
02:16:54,480 --> 02:16:58,000
and gangland bombings, are among the
worst in the developed world.
2508
02:16:59,400 --> 02:17:04,640
Not long after I visited, Sweden
recorded 30 bombings in one month!
2509
02:17:04,640 --> 02:17:09,200
I mean, it feels like a situation
Sweden has still not got
2510
02:17:09,200 --> 02:17:11,360
full control of.
2511
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:16,040
- No, I think ten years ago, no-one of
us could foresee that coming.
2512
02:17:16,040 --> 02:17:18,200
But today, it's our reality.
2513
02:17:19,760 --> 02:17:22,440
- How on earth has Sweden got to this?
2514
02:17:22,440 --> 02:17:24,440
SIREN WAILS
2515
02:17:24,440 --> 02:17:29,040
The land of ABBA is now top of all
Western countries for IED bombings.
2516
02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:37,640
The rise in violence follows an
increase in immigration.
2517
02:17:37,640 --> 02:17:40,760
Most of the perpetrators, as well as
the victims,
2518
02:17:40,760 --> 02:17:42,960
come from immigrant communities.
2519
02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:46,720
It's caused many Swedes to question
long-cherished liberal ideals.
2520
02:17:49,440 --> 02:17:52,400
Back in Stockholm, I arranged to meet
someone who's witnessed
2521
02:17:52,400 --> 02:17:54,680
the violence first-hand.
2522
02:17:54,680 --> 02:17:56,600
There she is.
2523
02:17:56,600 --> 02:17:59,000
- Hello!
- Hi, Faysa!
2524
02:17:59,000 --> 02:18:01,040
Do you want to come round?
2525
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:04,120
26-year-old Faysa Idle is a poet who's
written about her
2526
02:18:04,120 --> 02:18:07,600
life growing up in Sweden in a tricky
neighbourhood.
2527
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:10,080
Nice to meet you, too. Simon Reeve,
hello.
2528
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:11,280
- Hello.
2529
02:18:11,280 --> 02:18:14,120
- So, we're in the centre of
Stockholm.
2530
02:18:14,120 --> 02:18:17,680
Does this feel like your Stockholm,
your city?
2531
02:18:17,680 --> 02:18:19,640
- No, it doesn't.
2532
02:18:19,640 --> 02:18:21,360
It doesn't feel like home.
2533
02:18:21,360 --> 02:18:23,640
- So how do you feel when you come
here?
2534
02:18:23,640 --> 02:18:25,080
- As a tourist.
2535
02:18:25,080 --> 02:18:28,600
- Really? An outsider?
2536
02:18:28,600 --> 02:18:30,560
- Yes.
- That's not good.
2537
02:18:30,560 --> 02:18:32,080
- No, it's not.
2538
02:18:32,080 --> 02:18:33,800
That's why I write about it in, like,
2539
02:18:33,800 --> 02:18:36,520
it's two different countries in one
country.
2540
02:18:36,520 --> 02:18:38,800
Like, this Sweden, and our Sweden.
2541
02:18:40,400 --> 02:18:42,680
- Faysa was born and raised here.
2542
02:18:42,680 --> 02:18:45,920
Her family were refugees from Somalia
31 years ago.
2543
02:18:47,000 --> 02:18:51,080
In recent decades, Swedes welcomed
refugees from world conflicts.
2544
02:18:51,080 --> 02:18:54,240
More than 100,000 from the wars in the
Balkans, and hundreds
2545
02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:59,040
of thousands from Syria, Iraq,
Afghanistan, many young men.
2546
02:19:00,720 --> 02:19:03,680
Asylum immigration into Sweden has
been roughly four times
2547
02:19:03,680 --> 02:19:06,360
the rate in other Western European
countries.
2548
02:19:07,440 --> 02:19:11,280
Housing's been provided - but often
far from city centres,
2549
02:19:11,280 --> 02:19:13,440
in estates where up to 90% of
2550
02:19:13,440 --> 02:19:15,880
residents are now from immigrant
backgrounds.
2551
02:19:17,040 --> 02:19:19,440
So this is Rinkeby...
- Yes.
- ..and Tensta?
2552
02:19:19,440 --> 02:19:20,600
- Yes.
2553
02:19:20,600 --> 02:19:23,920
- Two areas of suburban Stockholm.
2554
02:19:25,720 --> 02:19:31,160
Locals long complained these estates
are cut-off, hemmed-in by motorways.
2555
02:19:31,160 --> 02:19:32,520
They have high unemployment
2556
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:35,240
and they've been engulfed in gang
warfare.
2557
02:19:35,240 --> 02:19:36,800
- Let's go, Simon.
2558
02:19:36,800 --> 02:19:38,800
I grew up in this area.
2559
02:19:38,800 --> 02:19:40,800
I used to go to school.
- Right.
2560
02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:42,280
- That's over there.
2561
02:19:42,280 --> 02:19:45,960
And especially this place.
2562
02:19:45,960 --> 02:19:49,000
We always come here to smoke
cigarettes.
2563
02:19:49,000 --> 02:19:54,400
- What would you say are the main
problems that your generation
2564
02:19:54,400 --> 02:19:56,760
faced growing up here?
2565
02:19:56,760 --> 02:19:58,280
- Poverty.
2566
02:19:58,280 --> 02:20:04,880
And our way to becoming a rich person
is through crimes.
2567
02:20:04,880 --> 02:20:07,680
For us, that way was the only way.
2568
02:20:07,680 --> 02:20:11,000
So I think most of us don't want to do
these crimes,
2569
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:13,400
but we want to have the money.
- Yeah.
2570
02:20:13,400 --> 02:20:16,000
- Most of them, if you ask them, why
are you killing?
2571
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,160
They will tell you it's for the money
they, cos...
2572
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:20,280
It's only for the money, to...
2573
02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:23,000
- And when you say killing, you really
mean that?
2574
02:20:23,000 --> 02:20:24,680
- Yeah, I really mean it.
2575
02:20:24,680 --> 02:20:26,440
It's a part of life.
2576
02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:29,080
It's actually a daily routine.
2577
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:33,520
Like, I know murderers and I know the
victims.
2578
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:39,320
- This is the important place.
2579
02:20:39,320 --> 02:20:41,240
- Yes.
2580
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:42,520
- SHE LAUGHS
2581
02:20:43,800 --> 02:20:46,240
It's like she's been waiting for you.
2582
02:20:46,240 --> 02:20:47,280
- Hey!
2583
02:20:47,280 --> 02:20:49,720
- Faysa took me to meet her friend
Lotta.
2584
02:20:55,080 --> 02:20:58,800
- I come here and I have a lot of
stress and Lotta here,
2585
02:20:58,800 --> 02:21:00,840
she's like a therapist, you know?
2586
02:21:00,840 --> 02:21:02,720
So I speak to her about things.
2587
02:21:02,720 --> 02:21:05,200
And so it's not just a salon, you
know?
2588
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:06,600
- Total...
2589
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:08,120
- You release your feelings as well.
2590
02:21:08,120 --> 02:21:10,360
- ..heart of the community.
- Yes.
2591
02:21:10,360 --> 02:21:14,840
- It's quite difficult to comprehend
what's been happening
2592
02:21:14,840 --> 02:21:18,640
here in Stockholm, but in Sweden...
2593
02:21:18,640 --> 02:21:22,520
..over the last ten, just under ten
years, really, isn't it,
2594
02:21:22,520 --> 02:21:26,640
there's been a huge increase in the
number of children who have
2595
02:21:26,640 --> 02:21:32,320
been joining gangs, who've been sucked
into gang life?
2596
02:21:32,320 --> 02:21:35,360
Can you give us a sense of what's
happened?
2597
02:21:35,360 --> 02:21:40,320
- When I was 15 years old, I lost my
best friend at this gang war
2598
02:21:40,320 --> 02:21:43,840
that has been happening for ten years,
for a decade.
2599
02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:47,560
And when Sweden didn't see it as a
problem.
2600
02:21:47,560 --> 02:21:51,080
I see it as a crisis, you know, I see
it as a very big crisis.
2601
02:21:51,080 --> 02:21:52,560
Like, they were so young.
2602
02:21:52,560 --> 02:21:55,720
Two people died.
- That is absolutely a crisis.
2603
02:21:55,720 --> 02:21:57,520
That's terrible situation.
2604
02:21:57,520 --> 02:21:59,920
- These two people that died, the
young people that died,
2605
02:21:59,920 --> 02:22:02,240
were two black people from the
suburbs.
2606
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:04,400
- So, Sweden, as a country, didn't
recognise...
- No.
2607
02:22:04,400 --> 02:22:07,200
- ..there was a crisis?
- Maybe it was -
2608
02:22:07,200 --> 02:22:10,760
"Yeah, but this is not really a
Swedish issue."
2609
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:12,560
- Right.
2610
02:22:12,560 --> 02:22:14,800
- "So, it will not come to our
places."
2611
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:16,400
- "To our homes. We're safe."
2612
02:22:16,400 --> 02:22:18,760
- "So that's why we can wait on it."
2613
02:22:18,760 --> 02:22:23,320
And that has been like - it feels like
a betrayal for us because...
2614
02:22:23,320 --> 02:22:25,360
- We've been living like this for
years.
2615
02:22:25,360 --> 02:22:26,760
- Because you are Sweden.
- Yeah.
2616
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:28,360
- You are born in Sweden, right?
- Yes.
2617
02:22:28,360 --> 02:22:30,560
- I'm born in Sweden.
- I lost all my friends.
2618
02:22:30,560 --> 02:22:32,520
Like, I lost all my neighbours, you
know?
2619
02:22:32,520 --> 02:22:35,320
But for them, it's like just the
statistics of numbers.
2620
02:22:35,320 --> 02:22:37,760
- It has affected everybody.
- Mm.
2621
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:39,200
- Everybody is affected.
2622
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:41,680
You know why? Because it's not a
racial thing.
2623
02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:43,200
It's a human problem.
2624
02:22:43,200 --> 02:22:44,560
- Yeah, but the first,
2625
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:46,800
but the first thing is they need to
see us as humans.
2626
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:48,320
- Yeah.
2627
02:22:48,320 --> 02:22:49,720
- Start with that.
2628
02:22:49,720 --> 02:22:51,520
- Start with that. Give me a hug.
2629
02:22:52,760 --> 02:22:55,680
Mwah.
- Mwah.
2630
02:22:55,680 --> 02:22:58,400
- Thank you.
- Yeah, thank you, too.
2631
02:22:58,400 --> 02:23:01,920
- Not everyone who feels excluded or
ignored joins a gang.
2632
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:05,160
Most migrants here live blameless
lives, contributing to the
2633
02:23:05,160 --> 02:23:06,920
country that took them in.
2634
02:23:06,920 --> 02:23:10,120
There's debate here about why crime
has exploded, but there's no
2635
02:23:10,120 --> 02:23:12,840
disputing huge numbers of migrant
children have been
2636
02:23:12,840 --> 02:23:17,080
caught up in the drug wars - Faysa's
lost friends and close family.
2637
02:23:18,440 --> 02:23:20,680
Is this an area you would come to when
you were younger?
2638
02:23:20,680 --> 02:23:22,040
- Yes.
2639
02:23:23,360 --> 02:23:25,240
But I haven't been here
2640
02:23:25,240 --> 02:23:28,080
since 2018,
2641
02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:31,600
because my brother was found dead
here.
2642
02:23:33,480 --> 02:23:36,360
- Do you feel able to tell us what
happened?
2643
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:42,840
- When I saw him that day laying in
some white.
2644
02:23:42,840 --> 02:23:45,160
What is it called when you bury...?
2645
02:23:46,480 --> 02:23:47,800
- In a body bag?
2646
02:23:47,800 --> 02:23:49,640
- Yes, in a body bag.
2647
02:23:49,640 --> 02:23:51,640
In a body bag.
2648
02:23:51,640 --> 02:23:53,880
So I haven't been here since this.
2649
02:23:55,280 --> 02:23:56,720
Erm...
2650
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:01,160
- You haven't been back?
2651
02:24:01,160 --> 02:24:02,640
- No, I haven't.
2652
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:04,240
We're so many of us.
2653
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:07,080
Like, I don't understand why he was
the one.
2654
02:24:07,080 --> 02:24:10,000
Now he has four kids asking where
there dad is,
2655
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:15,440
and they cannot understand how their
father, that is a taxi driver
2656
02:24:15,440 --> 02:24:17,920
studying to become a doctor...
2657
02:24:17,920 --> 02:24:21,120
You know, like I have done some things
in my life...
2658
02:24:21,120 --> 02:24:24,520
Like, I wish they could take me, like,
they didn't need to take him.
2659
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:28,760
- I'm so sorry, Faysa.
2660
02:24:28,760 --> 02:24:30,120
SHE MOUTHS
2661
02:24:31,840 --> 02:24:35,800
Faysa's brother was one of many
victims of drug violence.
2662
02:24:35,800 --> 02:24:38,640
Another of her brothers, a gang
leader, is in prison.
2663
02:24:39,800 --> 02:24:42,560
Swedish police say there are more than
60,000 active or
2664
02:24:42,560 --> 02:24:44,240
connected gang members.
2665
02:24:45,640 --> 02:24:49,480
Many argue poverty's the main driver
of crime in violence hot spots.
2666
02:24:49,480 --> 02:24:52,680
And the unemployment rate here for
people born abroad is certainly
2667
02:24:52,680 --> 02:24:56,720
shocking - four times higher than for
people born in Sweden,
2668
02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:59,080
the worst gap in the developed world.
2669
02:24:59,080 --> 02:25:01,600
But politicians from the right,
2670
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:03,640
and even many liberal Swedes,
2671
02:25:03,640 --> 02:25:06,440
now place blame for the crimewave
squarely on
2672
02:25:06,440 --> 02:25:08,000
mass immigration from what they've
2673
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:10,760
called "culturally distant countries".
2674
02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:16,760
Faysa wanted me to meet her mother,
Nasteho,
2675
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:19,560
who was given asylum in Sweden more
than 30 years ago.
2676
02:25:22,560 --> 02:25:24,720
Thank you so much, Mum.
2677
02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:27,160
Can you remember a point, Mum,
2678
02:25:27,160 --> 02:25:32,440
a time when you realised things were
starting to go sour?
2679
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:44,320
So do you remember going to the
authorities in some way?
2680
02:25:47,840 --> 02:25:52,720
- It's so hard being a mum in this
environment, cos you feel so much,
2681
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:54,240
and it's so draining.
2682
02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:22,160
I am born in Sweden.
2683
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:23,880
I've never been to Somalia in my life.
2684
02:26:53,440 --> 02:26:55,040
She's putting the blame on us,
2685
02:26:55,040 --> 02:26:57,680
like, "You guys should know better,
like,
2686
02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:59,400
"you're not in your own country."
2687
02:27:06,240 --> 02:27:10,240
- Hundreds of thousands of migrants,
asylum seekers,
2688
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:14,080
and refugees have come to Sweden and
to Scandinavia.
2689
02:27:14,080 --> 02:27:17,560
And I think there's been something of
a sense here
2690
02:27:17,560 --> 02:27:20,040
and across the region that almost
2691
02:27:20,040 --> 02:27:24,400
just by being here people would become
Scandinavian
2692
02:27:24,400 --> 02:27:28,960
and would enjoy the benefits of life
as a Scandinavian.
2693
02:27:30,240 --> 02:27:32,440
But that is clearly not the case.
2694
02:27:32,440 --> 02:27:36,280
Now, we can debate whether there's
been a failure to integrate,
2695
02:27:36,280 --> 02:27:40,320
but there has definitely been a
failure of integration.
2696
02:27:40,320 --> 02:27:43,600
And the consequences are now being
felt.
2697
02:27:52,680 --> 02:27:57,320
I left Sweden and headed south, across
the Baltic Sea...
2698
02:27:59,840 --> 02:28:02,920
I'm just coming up to the bridge now,
which takes me from Sweden
2699
02:28:02,920 --> 02:28:07,240
into Denmark, the last country on my
journey around Scandinavia.
2700
02:28:07,240 --> 02:28:11,880
For full transparency, I should tell
you my wife is half Danish,
2701
02:28:11,880 --> 02:28:16,880
and I've been to Denmark many times to
see the family there.
2702
02:28:16,880 --> 02:28:21,360
It's a country that I feel I know
pretty well
2703
02:28:21,360 --> 02:28:23,920
and one that I really love.
2704
02:28:29,000 --> 02:28:32,280
The Oresund road and rail crossing is
something of an engineering
2705
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:34,640
marvel - it's still the longest
2706
02:28:34,640 --> 02:28:38,560
cable-stayed, combined road and rail
bridge - in the world,
2707
02:28:38,560 --> 02:28:40,240
for any bridge-spotters watching.
2708
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:42,280
Built on time and to budget.
2709
02:28:45,240 --> 02:28:48,720
And it's crucial - because it helps
link Sweden and the
2710
02:28:48,720 --> 02:28:52,200
Scandinavian Peninsula to Denmark, and
the rest of Western Europe.
2711
02:28:56,800 --> 02:28:59,360
Denmark's the smallest country in
Scandinavia -
2712
02:28:59,360 --> 02:29:01,520
but punches above its weight.
2713
02:29:01,520 --> 02:29:04,880
Danish companies control 15% of the
world's shipping containers -
2714
02:29:04,880 --> 02:29:08,880
they're huge exporters of
industrially-farmed bacon;
2715
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:11,160
and the Danish firm that makes the
weight-loss drug Ozempic is
2716
02:29:11,160 --> 02:29:14,120
now one of the biggest pharmaceutical
2717
02:29:14,120 --> 02:29:15,800
companies on Earth.
2718
02:29:15,800 --> 02:29:18,120
The Danes are a straightforward bunch.
2719
02:29:18,120 --> 02:29:20,200
Practical. Unshockable.
2720
02:29:20,200 --> 02:29:21,720
Oh, my goodness, look at that.
2721
02:29:21,720 --> 02:29:22,920
Pretty raunchy!
2722
02:29:24,440 --> 02:29:26,960
That's the thing about the Scandis.
2723
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:32,200
They can have this super neat,
perfectly formed little community,
2724
02:29:32,200 --> 02:29:36,200
and a couple copulating in the main
square!
2725
02:29:36,200 --> 02:29:39,720
They'd be like, "Stop making a fuss,
Simon.
2726
02:29:39,720 --> 02:29:43,600
"It's just a lovely statue showing the
beautiful act of love."
2727
02:29:48,440 --> 02:29:52,760
I've reached the west coast of
Denmark, next to the sea.
2728
02:29:52,760 --> 02:29:54,640
And the wind blows strong here.
2729
02:29:55,640 --> 02:29:57,000
A lot of wind turbines.
2730
02:29:58,280 --> 02:30:01,280
Denmark is a global leader in wind
energy.
2731
02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:04,000
It generates around 60% of their
electricity,
2732
02:30:04,000 --> 02:30:07,000
and they export the technology around
the world.
2733
02:30:07,000 --> 02:30:09,480
Many of Britain's offshore wind farms
are built
2734
02:30:09,480 --> 02:30:11,800
and operated by Danish companies.
2735
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:14,800
Let's go and take a closer look.
2736
02:30:14,800 --> 02:30:17,840
The company that built this huge wind
turbine allowed me to go up it
2737
02:30:17,840 --> 02:30:20,240
while it was stopped for maintenance.
2738
02:30:20,240 --> 02:30:22,120
This at the moment,
2739
02:30:22,120 --> 02:30:27,920
holds the title for being the most
powerful wind turbine in the world.
2740
02:30:29,720 --> 02:30:32,480
And that means it's also one the
biggest and tallest.
2741
02:30:32,480 --> 02:30:35,200
From the ground to the top tip of a
blade,
2742
02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:39,040
this wind turbine is almost as tall as
the Eiffel Tower.
2743
02:30:39,040 --> 02:30:40,520
Oh, my good Lord.
2744
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:42,480
Not ideal for those with vertigo!
2745
02:30:46,840 --> 02:30:48,120
Oh, my!
2746
02:30:51,360 --> 02:30:54,160
Oh, my good... I really can't.
2747
02:30:54,160 --> 02:30:55,760
Oh, I must...!
2748
02:30:55,760 --> 02:30:57,320
Oh, my...!
2749
02:30:59,360 --> 02:31:01,160
This is utterly epic.
2750
02:31:11,120 --> 02:31:13,840
To give you a sense of how big this
turbine is,
2751
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:15,520
look at these ones over here.
2752
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:17,880
These turbines, they are not baby
turbines,
2753
02:31:17,880 --> 02:31:20,600
those are normal wind turbines and
we're looking down on them.
2754
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:27,560
This single wind turbine powers around
20,000 homes.
2755
02:31:30,040 --> 02:31:31,720
20,000!
2756
02:31:33,560 --> 02:31:35,240
There was, apparently,
2757
02:31:35,240 --> 02:31:39,160
not a single planning objection from
locals to this massive turbine.
2758
02:31:39,160 --> 02:31:42,600
Yes, of course I'm pleased to be on
the ground!
2759
02:31:43,800 --> 02:31:47,280
Contrast that with the UK, where we
can't erect a shed without
2760
02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:50,400
complaints escalating to the Supreme
Court.
2761
02:31:50,400 --> 02:31:53,560
Because here locals were involved -
Danes pioneered community
2762
02:31:53,560 --> 02:31:56,400
groups that OWN many turbines and wind
farms.
2763
02:31:57,680 --> 02:31:59,800
Danish universities, governments,
2764
02:31:59,800 --> 02:32:02,800
and firms have worked together to
develop wind tech.
2765
02:32:02,800 --> 02:32:05,440
People trust scientists and
politicians,
2766
02:32:05,440 --> 02:32:08,080
so there's fewer objections and
delays.
2767
02:32:08,080 --> 02:32:09,400
Right, we're here.
2768
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:12,040
And right now,
2769
02:32:12,040 --> 02:32:15,200
the Danes are at the cutting edge,
taking wind power up a notch more.
2770
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:16,720
Knock, knock.
2771
02:32:16,720 --> 02:32:18,760
I went to see a Danish inventor -
2772
02:32:18,760 --> 02:32:21,480
one of the original wind turbine
designers.
2773
02:32:21,480 --> 02:32:23,200
His name's Henrik Stiesdal.
2774
02:32:23,200 --> 02:32:25,400
Henrik?
- Hi, there. Yes.
2775
02:32:25,400 --> 02:32:27,880
- We're meeting you in your secret
lab?
2776
02:32:27,880 --> 02:32:29,520
- Yes.
2777
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:32,160
You need to close your eyes when we
speak here.
2778
02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:34,600
- Oh, do you? You've got the glasses
on.
2779
02:32:34,600 --> 02:32:37,040
- You need the glasses.
- I need glasses as well?
2780
02:32:37,040 --> 02:32:38,960
- Yes.
- OK, I'll get them on.
2781
02:32:38,960 --> 02:32:41,600
- Yes.
- Is that because things go boom here?
2782
02:32:41,600 --> 02:32:43,200
HE CHUCKLES
2783
02:32:43,200 --> 02:32:46,000
- That's the price of being, having
fun in the lab.
2784
02:32:46,000 --> 02:32:48,000
Yes. Yes. Yes.
2785
02:32:49,200 --> 02:32:50,520
And we need to...
2786
02:32:50,520 --> 02:32:53,200
- We're with somebody really special
here.
2787
02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:58,080
Just recently, he jointly won an award
that is often
2788
02:32:58,080 --> 02:33:01,760
described as being the equivalent of a
Nobel Prize for engineering.
2789
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:05,960
Henrik is obsessed with clean energy.
2790
02:33:05,960 --> 02:33:09,320
In his lab he's searching for one of
the holy grails - how to use
2791
02:33:09,320 --> 02:33:13,920
electricity from wind to make hydrogen
- a clean fuel with
2792
02:33:13,920 --> 02:33:16,440
enough oomph to power planes, ships
and lorries.
2793
02:33:18,800 --> 02:33:22,320
But he's also still inventing wind
turbines - new, and bigger.
2794
02:33:24,600 --> 02:33:28,360
So, this is just one section for a
mast.
2795
02:33:28,360 --> 02:33:30,120
- For a small wind turbine.
2796
02:33:30,120 --> 02:33:32,600
- A small one?
- A small one.
2797
02:33:32,600 --> 02:33:35,400
- Henrik jokes his only real
qualification is as a
2798
02:33:35,400 --> 02:33:38,520
ski instructor - he didn't finish
university.
2799
02:33:38,520 --> 02:33:40,520
But in the 1970s, Henrik designed
2800
02:33:40,520 --> 02:33:43,520
one of the first modern wind turbines.
2801
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:46,480
His inventions have since led to about
a thousand patents.
2802
02:33:46,480 --> 02:33:50,080
He was in charge of setting up the
world's very first offshore
2803
02:33:50,080 --> 02:33:51,680
wind farm.
2804
02:33:51,680 --> 02:33:53,720
- These are for offshore turbines
2805
02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:56,160
and they are much bigger than onshore
turbines.
2806
02:33:58,040 --> 02:34:01,880
These are some of the largest sections
that are built here.
2807
02:34:01,880 --> 02:34:05,560
- Out at sea, the wind blows stronger
and more consistently.
2808
02:34:05,560 --> 02:34:08,360
With current technology, offshore wind
farms need to
2809
02:34:08,360 --> 02:34:09,840
be in shallow water.
2810
02:34:09,840 --> 02:34:13,120
That limits where we can put them, and
how much power we can generate.
2811
02:34:13,120 --> 02:34:15,440
It's a problem Henrik's trying to
solve.
2812
02:34:18,920 --> 02:34:21,840
- In very large parts of the world,
you can't do offshore wind
2813
02:34:21,840 --> 02:34:24,160
because the water gets to be too deep.
2814
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:26,200
Too deep means more than 60m.
2815
02:34:26,200 --> 02:34:29,320
We want to become really global, we
need to have structures that
2816
02:34:29,320 --> 02:34:34,200
can float so that you can go to much
deeper waters.
2817
02:34:34,200 --> 02:34:36,760
And that's what we are working on here
in this company.
2818
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:39,160
- Floating wind turbines?
- Yes.
2819
02:34:39,160 --> 02:34:42,360
We can produce ten times the power
needs of the world with
2820
02:34:42,360 --> 02:34:44,760
a floating offshore wind.
2821
02:34:44,760 --> 02:34:46,360
Even if we had no solar,
2822
02:34:46,360 --> 02:34:49,200
no land-based wind, no nuclear, no
nothing.
2823
02:34:49,200 --> 02:34:51,360
The resource is just huge.
2824
02:34:51,360 --> 02:34:53,480
- Henrik, ten times?
2825
02:34:53,480 --> 02:34:55,960
Ten times?
- Yes.
2826
02:34:55,960 --> 02:35:00,760
So, these are parts that make up a
floating offshore
2827
02:35:00,760 --> 02:35:02,240
wind tower foundation.
2828
02:35:02,240 --> 02:35:05,480
What we have here is this centre
column.
2829
02:35:05,480 --> 02:35:07,760
- This is the floating structure...
- Yes.
2830
02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:11,360
- ..on which a wind turbine would sit?
- Yes.
2831
02:35:11,360 --> 02:35:14,120
I don't think we'll put them all on,
but here goes one,
2832
02:35:14,120 --> 02:35:16,320
for instance, that will fit there.
2833
02:35:16,320 --> 02:35:21,280
- So, this - you've just swiftly
created using your LEGO, as it
2834
02:35:21,280 --> 02:35:24,000
were, appropriately.
2835
02:35:24,000 --> 02:35:27,880
So, what of that, is this?
2836
02:35:27,880 --> 02:35:31,760
- So the upper part here from that
little line there,
2837
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:34,560
the LEGO brick is this one here.
2838
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:39,800
- But look at the size of this.
2839
02:35:41,280 --> 02:35:45,800
This piece here in this structure is
just this?!
2840
02:35:45,800 --> 02:35:48,080
- Yes.
- Henrik, you think big?
2841
02:35:48,080 --> 02:35:50,200
- But our problem is big.
2842
02:35:50,200 --> 02:35:53,000
It needs a scale.
2843
02:35:53,000 --> 02:35:56,280
- How confident are you this will
work?
2844
02:35:56,280 --> 02:35:57,800
- Oh, we are very confident.
2845
02:35:57,800 --> 02:36:00,240
It would be the biggest factory-made
pieces of equipment
2846
02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:01,600
in the world, I think.
2847
02:36:01,600 --> 02:36:04,920
- There must be lots of competition to
create this.
2848
02:36:04,920 --> 02:36:11,680
- Yeah, but in actual fact, the goal
of our company is not money-making.
2849
02:36:11,680 --> 02:36:15,680
The goal of our company is impact on
the fight against climate change.
2850
02:36:15,680 --> 02:36:18,320
We hope that can be an inspiration for
the world,
2851
02:36:18,320 --> 02:36:19,720
so to speak.
2852
02:36:21,080 --> 02:36:24,600
- Wind power has limitations, and
critics, but around the world
2853
02:36:24,600 --> 02:36:27,920
it's already revolutionised the way we
generate electricity.
2854
02:36:29,240 --> 02:36:32,840
The Danes have profited by innovating,
and working together.
2855
02:36:32,840 --> 02:36:34,280
They're leading the way.
2856
02:36:37,200 --> 02:36:39,120
I need to get a ferry.
2857
02:36:39,120 --> 02:36:45,080
I'm heading towards the end of my
journey through Scandinavia
2858
02:36:45,080 --> 02:36:49,160
and I'm struck by the feeling, more
than ever,
2859
02:36:49,160 --> 02:36:54,560
how much of our news, our media, and
our culture
2860
02:36:54,560 --> 02:36:58,360
focuses, in the UK, on what's going on
in the United States.
2861
02:36:59,880 --> 02:37:03,520
We have much more in common, in so
many ways,
2862
02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:06,240
with this part of the world, than the
USA.
2863
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:13,800
I don't think we know enough about the
Scandis and Scandinavia,
2864
02:37:13,800 --> 02:37:16,760
but things are going on here that
really matter.
2865
02:37:28,960 --> 02:37:33,160
My last stop was the Danish capital -
Copenhagen.
2866
02:37:33,160 --> 02:37:36,320
Even by the standards of Scandinavia,
Denmark stands out.
2867
02:37:37,480 --> 02:37:41,720
Danes top global surveys of happiness
and life satisfaction.
2868
02:37:41,720 --> 02:37:45,640
They pay high taxes but get generous
welfare, free health care,
2869
02:37:45,640 --> 02:37:48,120
subsidised childcare, free education,
2870
02:37:48,120 --> 02:37:50,280
including free university.
2871
02:37:50,280 --> 02:37:53,760
They're wealthy, one of the most equal
societies on Earth.
2872
02:37:53,760 --> 02:37:55,400
What's the secret?
2873
02:37:55,400 --> 02:38:00,040
As I walked the pleasant streets of
Copenhagen, I came across a clue.
2874
02:38:00,040 --> 02:38:01,640
Sh, come on...
2875
02:38:01,640 --> 02:38:03,680
Look, that is a little toddler
2876
02:38:03,680 --> 02:38:06,800
having a sleep outside, in a pram,
2877
02:38:06,800 --> 02:38:10,240
in a public area with lots of flats
around.
2878
02:38:11,680 --> 02:38:15,040
Hiya.
- Hello.
- Have you just left your child out to
have a little nap?
2879
02:38:15,040 --> 02:38:16,360
- Yeah.
2880
02:38:16,360 --> 02:38:19,800
- It's a bit unusual, what you've just
done, from our perspective.
2881
02:38:19,800 --> 02:38:22,920
- Yeah, well I live right in there, so
I leave her there to sleep,
2882
02:38:22,920 --> 02:38:25,760
and then I can hear her, we have a
little monitor,
2883
02:38:25,760 --> 02:38:27,800
so when she wakes up, I just go out.
2884
02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:31,560
- I think a Danish mother in New York,
was leaving her child outside,
2885
02:38:31,560 --> 02:38:34,080
she was arrested, wasn't she?
- She was arrested.
2886
02:38:34,080 --> 02:38:36,520
- That suggests - only do that in
Denmark.
2887
02:38:36,520 --> 02:38:37,920
- Probably a good idea, yeah.
2888
02:38:37,920 --> 02:38:40,440
- You're a more-trusting people,
aren't you?
2889
02:38:40,440 --> 02:38:44,120
- I think if you give people trust,
they will also show you that they
2890
02:38:44,120 --> 02:38:46,240
are worthy of trust, right, in a way?
2891
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:48,680
Have a good day.
- All right, thank you.
- No worries.
2892
02:38:48,680 --> 02:38:51,120
- Public trust is still so high here,
2893
02:38:51,120 --> 02:38:53,480
a toddler can be left napping in fresh
air.
2894
02:38:54,840 --> 02:38:58,280
Nearly 90% of Danes have a high level
of trust in others.
2895
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:01,480
Trust isn't just nice.
2896
02:39:01,480 --> 02:39:03,120
It's critical.
2897
02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:06,120
Trust equals less corruption and
crime, more investment,
2898
02:39:06,120 --> 02:39:07,800
collaboration, productivity.
2899
02:39:09,160 --> 02:39:12,080
Academics have put a value on trust
- some think trust
2900
02:39:12,080 --> 02:39:15,040
accounts for 25% of Danish wealth!
2901
02:39:16,520 --> 02:39:21,200
I do think trust is the secret sauce,
2902
02:39:21,200 --> 02:39:26,000
the glue that hold Scandinavia, and
Scandinavians together,
2903
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:30,080
and makes this one of the most
successful parts of the planet ever.
2904
02:39:31,320 --> 02:39:33,200
So, how do you build trust?
2905
02:39:33,200 --> 02:39:36,680
Well, in Denmark one way's through
joining a club.
2906
02:39:36,680 --> 02:39:40,320
For football, volunteering, activism,
art, anything.
2907
02:39:40,320 --> 02:39:43,680
Many are helped and subsidised by the
government.
2908
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:46,360
90% of Danes are members of clubs.
2909
02:39:46,360 --> 02:39:48,440
On average, they join nearly three
each.
2910
02:39:48,440 --> 02:39:50,360
CHORUS ENDS
2911
02:39:52,880 --> 02:39:55,360
Choirs are hugely popular.
2912
02:39:55,360 --> 02:39:57,160
Phie Ambo helped found this one.
2913
02:39:57,160 --> 02:39:58,960
So, you are not a church choir?
2914
02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:00,680
- We're not at all a church choir.
2915
02:40:00,680 --> 02:40:05,320
We are actually a choir that works
against the fossil fuel industry.
2916
02:40:05,320 --> 02:40:07,080
- Through song?
- Through song.
2917
02:40:07,080 --> 02:40:09,080
- Through your voices.
- Through our voices.
2918
02:40:09,080 --> 02:40:12,040
- And through gathering together?
- Yeah, yeah.
2919
02:40:12,040 --> 02:40:17,600
- Danes are brilliant at joining and
starting clubs and associations.
2920
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:20,400
- That's why it's so important to
gather
2921
02:40:20,400 --> 02:40:23,640
and make communities that can work
together.
2922
02:40:23,640 --> 02:40:25,520
- SPEAKS DANISH
2923
02:40:26,600 --> 02:40:28,040
This is key.
2924
02:40:28,040 --> 02:40:29,840
Danes belong to more groups,
2925
02:40:29,840 --> 02:40:32,800
clubs and unions than any other
nationality.
2926
02:40:32,800 --> 02:40:36,240
That helps build trust, happiness, and
social cohesion.
2927
02:40:36,240 --> 02:40:38,840
WHISPERS: I've got the words on my
phone.
2928
02:40:41,240 --> 02:40:43,120
THEY HUM
2929
02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:33,720
LAUGHTER AND CHEERING
2930
02:41:37,560 --> 02:41:41,360
But it would be wrong to think there
are no problems in Denmark.
2931
02:41:41,360 --> 02:41:44,560
All this social cohesion means
outsiders can sometimes feel
2932
02:41:44,560 --> 02:41:48,520
unwelcome - if you don't conform here,
it can feel uncomfortable.
2933
02:41:57,560 --> 02:41:59,840
Just like in Sweden, here in Denmark,
2934
02:41:59,840 --> 02:42:02,440
there have been issues, I think it's
fair to say,
2935
02:42:02,440 --> 02:42:06,040
and controversy surrounding migration
and immigration.
2936
02:42:06,040 --> 02:42:09,640
But the government here has been
tackling it very differently.
2937
02:42:09,640 --> 02:42:13,080
I met up with Mohammed Aslam, cab
driver and campaigner.
2938
02:42:14,600 --> 02:42:17,240
Mohammed?
- Hello. I'm Simon
2939
02:42:17,240 --> 02:42:19,200
Hello, Simon.
- Very nice to see you.
2940
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:20,520
- Same here.
2941
02:42:20,520 --> 02:42:22,600
- Mohammed speaks English but prefers
Danish.
2942
02:42:54,280 --> 02:42:56,240
You must be a very proud father.
2943
02:42:56,240 --> 02:42:58,640
- I am. I am!
2944
02:42:58,640 --> 02:43:04,880
But still we are not accepted as an
equal in the country.
2945
02:43:06,360 --> 02:43:10,120
- Partly in response to the crimewave
in Sweden and terrorism here,
2946
02:43:10,120 --> 02:43:13,560
Denmark's taken a really tough line on
integration.
2947
02:43:13,560 --> 02:43:16,320
Not just encouraging it, but pushing
it.
2948
02:43:16,320 --> 02:43:18,800
Islamic full-face coverings are
banned.
2949
02:43:18,800 --> 02:43:20,240
The Government even
2950
02:43:20,240 --> 02:43:22,360
introduced what was called a "ghetto
law" -
2951
02:43:22,360 --> 02:43:25,240
aimed at preventing neighbourhoods
being dominated by so-called
2952
02:43:25,240 --> 02:43:28,720
"non-Western" immigrants, along with
high crime and unemployment.
2953
02:43:28,720 --> 02:43:31,760
Let's get out.
- Yes.
- Go and have a look.
2954
02:43:31,760 --> 02:43:35,320
One designated ghetto was the
multicultural neighbourhood
2955
02:43:35,320 --> 02:43:38,720
Mjolnerparken, where Mohammed raised
his family.
2956
02:43:38,720 --> 02:43:43,800
What's particularly extraordinary,
unusual, extreme
2957
02:43:43,800 --> 02:43:48,640
perhaps about this law is the
identification of non-Western.
2958
02:43:50,040 --> 02:43:51,600
It's basically saying that
2959
02:43:51,600 --> 02:43:54,440
if you're not from Western Europe or
some of the English-speaking
2960
02:43:54,440 --> 02:43:57,360
countries - Australia, New Zealand,
Canada etc,
2961
02:43:57,360 --> 02:44:00,640
then you can be classed as
non-Western,
2962
02:44:00,640 --> 02:44:03,560
and the state as a result treats you
differently.
2963
02:44:05,120 --> 02:44:07,040
This was classed as a ghetto
2964
02:44:07,040 --> 02:44:11,560
because more than 50% of people came
from non-Western backgrounds.
2965
02:44:11,560 --> 02:44:15,560
To reduce that number, some families
were actually forced to relocate.
2966
02:44:15,560 --> 02:44:17,200
Mohammed's was one of them.
2967
02:44:32,520 --> 02:44:35,480
- Yeah.
- Are you OK?
2968
02:44:35,480 --> 02:44:37,440
- Mm. I'm OK.
2969
02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:42,400
- You'd rather not look at it?
- Yeah.
2970
02:45:12,480 --> 02:45:16,120
- What reasons did they give you for
the evictions?
2971
02:45:29,960 --> 02:45:34,000
And in many ways, non-Western means
brown or black.
2972
02:45:35,280 --> 02:45:37,280
Brown, black, or Muslim.
2973
02:45:38,600 --> 02:45:42,080
That's my reading and interpretation
of the law.
2974
02:45:42,080 --> 02:45:43,680
Is that yours?
2975
02:45:43,680 --> 02:45:45,560
- Exactly the same.
2976
02:45:54,920 --> 02:45:57,320
- The people were forced out of their
homes.
2977
02:45:58,480 --> 02:46:02,760
The apartments, houses, homes they
lived in, were sold off.
2978
02:46:02,760 --> 02:46:05,080
Many were refurbished.
2979
02:46:05,080 --> 02:46:06,480
New families have moved in.
2980
02:46:08,000 --> 02:46:11,160
It's been described as the social
experiment of the century.
2981
02:46:12,280 --> 02:46:15,720
It's also been described as social
policy with a bulldozer.
2982
02:46:18,480 --> 02:46:21,560
No-one's ended up homeless, but
Mohammed's family,
2983
02:46:21,560 --> 02:46:24,520
and thousands more from other ghetto
areas have been or will be
2984
02:46:24,520 --> 02:46:27,520
rehoused in predominantly white
areas...
2985
02:46:27,520 --> 02:46:30,600
..with the stated aim they'll become
more integrated into Danish
2986
02:46:30,600 --> 02:46:34,640
society, with access to better jobs
and education.
2987
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:38,040
And people, including those from very
different cultures,
2988
02:46:38,040 --> 02:46:40,080
will absorb Danish liberal values.
2989
02:46:41,600 --> 02:46:45,360
Reports identified early language
skills as key to integration,
2990
02:46:45,360 --> 02:46:50,080
so non-Western parents in ghetto areas
are now required to
2991
02:46:50,080 --> 02:46:53,640
send their one-year-olds to preschools
to ensure they learn
2992
02:46:53,640 --> 02:46:55,800
Danish, and "traditions and values"
2993
02:46:55,800 --> 02:46:58,440
- or they lose government welfare
benefits.
2994
02:46:59,440 --> 02:47:02,760
Ghettos have since been renamed
"parallel societies".
2995
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:07,280
Did your children play here?
- Yeah.
2996
02:47:08,400 --> 02:47:11,080
We played together with the kids here.
2997
02:47:13,680 --> 02:47:19,480
- The Danish government, of course,
will say that they were worried.
2998
02:47:19,480 --> 02:47:21,960
They are worried about integration.
2999
02:47:21,960 --> 02:47:24,880
They now talk about parallel
societies, don't they?
3000
02:47:24,880 --> 02:47:29,280
Do you see that concern, that issue?
3001
02:47:45,080 --> 02:47:47,400
Some say these polices are racist.
3002
02:47:47,400 --> 02:47:50,160
Mohammed is part of a group mounting a
legal challenge.
3003
02:47:51,400 --> 02:47:53,880
Others say that they're an attempt to
eradicate
3004
02:47:53,880 --> 02:47:57,320
pockets of deprivation, integrate
newcomers into super-successful
3005
02:47:57,320 --> 02:48:00,640
Denmark and prevent the kind of
violence happening in Sweden.
3006
02:48:01,920 --> 02:48:04,840
The laws have support across much of
the political spectrum here.
3007
02:48:07,440 --> 02:48:10,760
I really want to understand what's
happening here.
3008
02:48:10,760 --> 02:48:13,400
I'm being allowed into the Danish
Parliament.
3009
02:48:14,920 --> 02:48:17,560
MP and housing spokesman Thomas
Monberg is
3010
02:48:17,560 --> 02:48:21,640
part of the governing coalition led by
his Social Democratic Party
3011
02:48:21,640 --> 02:48:25,520
and including parties called the
Liberals and the Moderates.
3012
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:27,480
We've got football tops here.
3013
02:48:27,480 --> 02:48:29,360
- Yes, football over there...
3014
02:48:29,360 --> 02:48:32,040
- Is this your... This is your party?
- Yes, it is.
3015
02:48:32,040 --> 02:48:34,480
- Look at - this is very nuclear
family,
3016
02:48:34,480 --> 02:48:36,400
very traditional old poster here.
3017
02:48:36,400 --> 02:48:39,040
- Yes, it is.
- Family values.
3018
02:48:39,040 --> 02:48:42,360
- Family values but the children have
to be safe
3019
02:48:42,360 --> 02:48:44,480
and nicely home from school.
3020
02:48:44,480 --> 02:48:46,920
- It's interesting you have this in
your office,
3021
02:48:46,920 --> 02:48:50,200
because your party is unusual from our
perspective.
3022
02:48:50,200 --> 02:48:53,680
You're quite left-wing economically on
many issues,
3023
02:48:53,680 --> 02:48:55,480
workers' rights etc.
3024
02:48:55,480 --> 02:48:57,160
- Yes.
3025
02:48:57,160 --> 02:48:59,840
- But traditional cultural values,
family values as well.
3026
02:48:59,840 --> 02:49:00,880
- Yeah.
3027
02:49:04,160 --> 02:49:07,800
- So, Thomas, can you explain this
ghetto law to me?
3028
02:49:09,120 --> 02:49:11,880
- We started to see some areas where
there were
3029
02:49:11,880 --> 02:49:16,880
a lot of foreign people living, and
the state of education was
3030
02:49:16,880 --> 02:49:20,560
lower and more and more children
didn't go to school.
3031
02:49:20,560 --> 02:49:23,520
And that was something we had to do
something about.
3032
02:49:23,520 --> 02:49:27,880
- But why focus on this phrase
"non-Western"?
3033
02:49:27,880 --> 02:49:29,360
Why? Why that?
3034
02:49:29,360 --> 02:49:32,200
Because it sounds like it's targeted
at -
3035
02:49:32,200 --> 02:49:36,240
it sounds like it's targeted mainly at
Muslims, in truth.
3036
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:37,640
- But it's not.
3037
02:49:37,640 --> 02:49:40,280
That's because of the culture we have
in Denmark.
3038
02:49:40,280 --> 02:49:43,760
And that's about equality of gender.
3039
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:48,600
That's equality of education, welfare,
and all that.
3040
02:49:48,600 --> 02:49:52,040
- Are you saying that non-Western
people, people outside that
3041
02:49:52,040 --> 02:49:59,720
definition, have less awareness or
understanding of those core values?
3042
02:49:59,720 --> 02:50:03,760
- We can't accept that a girl growing
up in society
3043
02:50:03,760 --> 02:50:08,320
in Denmark doesn't have the same
rights as every other girl.
3044
02:50:08,320 --> 02:50:12,320
- So, you're saying this is an attempt
to enforce
3045
02:50:12,320 --> 02:50:16,880
and impose fundamental Danish values?
3046
02:50:16,880 --> 02:50:21,200
- Yes, because we want everybody that
lives here to have a good life.
3047
02:50:21,200 --> 02:50:26,280
- But what you're talking about is, is
painful for some people.
3048
02:50:26,280 --> 02:50:31,600
You are literally requiring people to
move out of their homes.
3049
02:50:31,600 --> 02:50:34,640
You are creating a lot of trauma for
some people.
3050
02:50:34,640 --> 02:50:38,000
- I don't think you always can say
trauma
3051
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:41,840
because not many are getting evicted.
3052
02:50:41,840 --> 02:50:45,440
We have...
- I've met somebody...
- Yes, yes, yes.
- ..who's crying.
3053
02:50:45,440 --> 02:50:48,080
- Yes, yes, yes. I know, I know.
3054
02:50:48,080 --> 02:50:55,840
If you have to have a society as ours,
you have to be aware of
3055
02:50:55,840 --> 02:51:01,480
what's keep us together, than what's
taking us apart.
3056
02:51:01,480 --> 02:51:04,040
And the things that could take us
apart is
3057
02:51:04,040 --> 02:51:10,120
if people were living parallel to each
other in restricted
3058
02:51:10,120 --> 02:51:13,800
areas where there only were people of
non-Western.
3059
02:51:15,200 --> 02:51:16,880
You couldn't get any integration
3060
02:51:16,880 --> 02:51:20,120
because who should integrate those
people in the Danish society?
3061
02:51:20,120 --> 02:51:25,480
You have to have Danes to integrate
these people into society to,
3062
02:51:25,480 --> 02:51:29,320
to give them our values and the
feelings of our values,
3063
02:51:29,320 --> 02:51:33,760
because they're universal for us,
these values.
3064
02:51:33,760 --> 02:51:35,000
- THEY SPEAK DANISH
3065
02:51:36,800 --> 02:51:40,320
This is the most traditional Danish
dish lunch I have seen.
3066
02:51:40,320 --> 02:51:41,720
- Yes, it is.
3067
02:51:41,720 --> 02:51:43,160
- My wife is half Danish.
3068
02:51:43,160 --> 02:51:44,600
- Oh, yeah.
- So...yeah,
3069
02:51:44,600 --> 02:51:46,160
the open sandwich...
3070
02:51:46,160 --> 02:51:47,640
- Is number one.
- Is number one.
- Yeah.
3071
02:51:49,360 --> 02:51:53,440
- I know from personal experience
Danes can be brutally honest.
3072
02:51:53,440 --> 02:51:56,040
They don't shy from tough
conversations or facts.
3073
02:51:56,040 --> 02:51:57,840
Oh, my goodness.
- Yes.
3074
02:51:57,840 --> 02:52:01,120
- Unlike other European states, the
government here publishes
3075
02:52:01,120 --> 02:52:03,800
controversial and worrying crime
statistics.
3076
02:52:03,800 --> 02:52:07,360
They revealed men from some
non-Western backgrounds are as much
3077
02:52:07,360 --> 02:52:12,200
as six times more likely to commit
violent crime than white Danes.
3078
02:52:12,200 --> 02:52:14,840
The facts horrified voters.
3079
02:52:14,840 --> 02:52:21,240
You release crime statistics showing
the nation of origin of people
3080
02:52:21,240 --> 02:52:24,760
convicted of violent offences.
3081
02:52:24,760 --> 02:52:26,440
Why have you been doing that?
3082
02:52:26,440 --> 02:52:30,920
- That's because a lot of people were
feeling this.
3083
02:52:32,160 --> 02:52:37,120
And if we want to solve ordinary
people's problems,
3084
02:52:37,120 --> 02:52:41,200
then we have to know which problems
there are in society.
3085
02:52:41,200 --> 02:52:44,360
And there were problem in society.
3086
02:52:44,360 --> 02:52:50,760
And these high amounts of crime rates
reduces the trust or
3087
02:52:50,760 --> 02:52:54,760
breaks the trust between people living
in our country.
3088
02:52:54,760 --> 02:52:57,120
And that's very, very important for
us.
3089
02:52:57,120 --> 02:52:59,840
- The coalition here says by listening
to the concerns of all
3090
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:03,000
voters on immigration, they maintain
trust.
3091
02:53:03,000 --> 02:53:06,720
Immigration's been reduced,
integration is required.
3092
02:53:06,720 --> 02:53:09,560
Asylum's now seen as temporary rather
than a route to
3093
02:53:09,560 --> 02:53:11,520
permanent settlement.
3094
02:53:11,520 --> 02:53:15,200
I think sometimes in the UK there's
been this feeling that
3095
02:53:15,200 --> 02:53:18,000
people want something difficult.
3096
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:22,760
They want less immigration into the
country, for example.
3097
02:53:22,760 --> 02:53:27,200
And a lot of our politicians haven't
really liked that view
3098
02:53:27,200 --> 02:53:31,760
and often they've kind of ignored what
people want.
3099
02:53:31,760 --> 02:53:36,760
We've tended to believe, as a country,
more in multiculturalism.
3100
02:53:36,760 --> 02:53:39,920
I sense in Denmark you don't really
follow that path.
3101
02:53:39,920 --> 02:53:43,760
You believe more in, in a Danish way,
in Danish values,
3102
02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:46,400
in monoculturalism almost.
3103
02:53:46,400 --> 02:53:49,360
- It depends on how you look at it,
because
3104
02:53:49,360 --> 02:53:57,040
if you look on it in a culture where
you can practise your own beliefs,
3105
02:53:57,040 --> 02:53:58,800
that's allowed in Denmark.
3106
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:04,800
But you have to agree it's in here
that the laws in Denmark
3107
02:54:04,800 --> 02:54:10,640
are made and it's the democracy that
stands over everything else.
3108
02:54:11,960 --> 02:54:15,440
- In Denmark and Sweden, attitudes to
immigration have shifted,
3109
02:54:15,440 --> 02:54:17,120
fundamentally.
3110
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:20,720
Leaders here now talk about the
financial and social costs.
3111
02:54:20,720 --> 02:54:24,280
Sweden's reduced overall net
immigration to zero.
3112
02:54:24,280 --> 02:54:26,800
Denmark has the same target.
3113
02:54:26,800 --> 02:54:29,160
Fewer people are being granted asylum.
3114
02:54:29,160 --> 02:54:33,160
In fact they'll offer up to ยฃ26,000
for immigrants to return home.
3115
02:54:34,520 --> 02:54:37,120
For liberal Scandis, it's a paradigm
shift.
3116
02:54:42,840 --> 02:54:46,640
I'd reached the end of my journey
clear that for most people
3117
02:54:46,640 --> 02:54:50,040
the Scandi countries provide a
magnificent standard of living...
3118
02:54:51,400 --> 02:54:56,560
To be born Norwegian, that's winning a
lottery really, isn't it?
3119
02:54:56,560 --> 02:54:57,760
- It feels like it.
3120
02:54:58,800 --> 02:55:02,280
- But remember, in Norway wealth is
largely built on the fossil fuels
3121
02:55:02,280 --> 02:55:05,360
that threaten to permanently damage
our climate.
3122
02:55:05,360 --> 02:55:08,320
And even in liberal Sweden, I met
indigenous people who feel
3123
02:55:08,320 --> 02:55:11,080
forgotten and excluded.
3124
02:55:11,080 --> 02:55:14,680
- It's like a lifestyle that's slowly
fading away.
3125
02:55:14,680 --> 02:55:17,560
- Scandinavia has enjoyed decades of
peace,
3126
02:55:17,560 --> 02:55:20,320
but across the region there's a
genuine fear war may
3127
02:55:20,320 --> 02:55:23,440
be around the corner.
3128
02:55:23,440 --> 02:55:26,320
But despite threats and problems,
Scandinavian
3129
02:55:26,320 --> 02:55:30,360
societies still seem to work better
than anywhere else I've been.
3130
02:55:30,360 --> 02:55:32,920
You love it, don't you?! I can tell!
3131
02:55:34,080 --> 02:55:37,560
At the root of it all, people kept
talking to me about trust -
3132
02:55:37,560 --> 02:55:41,520
people trust their neighbours, the
state, teachers -
3133
02:55:41,520 --> 02:55:45,400
they even seem to trust politicians to
take sensible decisions.
3134
02:55:45,400 --> 02:55:49,840
Look at this. I saw shops left open -
where people are trusted to
3135
02:55:49,840 --> 02:55:51,240
pay for what they take away.
3136
02:55:52,800 --> 02:55:56,400
This for me, I think, is something
that is central to the success of
3137
02:55:56,400 --> 02:55:59,600
modern Scandinavia, and that is trust.
3138
02:56:01,360 --> 02:56:05,800
This journey has opened my eyes to a
part of the world we often overlook.
3139
02:56:05,800 --> 02:56:09,400
Perhaps the most successful human
societies that have ever existed.
3140
02:56:12,000 --> 02:56:14,520
Definitely worth knowing a bit more
about.
3141
02:56:14,520 --> 02:56:16,320
I've loved every second.
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