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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,706 --> 00:00:08,541 [somber music] 2 00:00:08,641 --> 00:00:12,078 - Most murder cases are circumstantial. 3 00:00:12,178 --> 00:00:14,547 You don't get a smoking gun. 4 00:00:14,647 --> 00:00:17,751 - You take one of the things, it's nothing. 5 00:00:17,851 --> 00:00:19,386 Two or three, it's nothing. 6 00:00:19,486 --> 00:00:22,522 But when you add them up, it's pretty darn strong. 7 00:00:22,622 --> 00:00:25,425 - I never imagined that this thing 8 00:00:25,525 --> 00:00:27,927 would still be percolating 20 years later. 9 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:30,764 [invigorating music] 10 00:00:30,864 --> 00:00:33,667 - I have questions about the case. 11 00:00:33,767 --> 00:00:35,235 It's always bugged me. 12 00:00:35,335 --> 00:00:36,770 - I know people are really heavily 13 00:00:36,870 --> 00:00:39,305 invested that Scott's guilty. 14 00:00:39,406 --> 00:00:41,007 - There is no evidence of cause of death. 15 00:00:41,107 --> 00:00:43,343 There is no evidence of a crime scene. 16 00:00:43,443 --> 00:00:46,346 - Laci's already set the table for Christmas brunch. 17 00:00:46,446 --> 00:00:50,617 You're gonna travel 90 miles away to test your boat? 18 00:00:50,717 --> 00:00:52,218 I didn't buy it. 19 00:00:52,318 --> 00:00:54,320 - There isn't any evidence that Scott Peterson 20 00:00:54,421 --> 00:00:57,290 engaged in any violence involving his wife. 21 00:00:57,390 --> 00:00:59,259 - If you open your mind a little bit, 22 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,062 really consider the investigation, 23 00:01:02,162 --> 00:01:03,496 there are a lot of questions. 24 00:01:03,596 --> 00:01:05,265 There have always been a lot of questions. 25 00:01:05,365 --> 00:01:06,800 - When you know that the jury 26 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:08,468 ultimately still convicted him, 27 00:01:08,568 --> 00:01:10,670 you have to ask yourself, what's going on here? 28 00:01:10,770 --> 00:01:14,341 - They gave us, in my opinion, no realistic alternate theory. 29 00:01:14,441 --> 00:01:17,077 - The information we were given in that courtroom 30 00:01:17,177 --> 00:01:19,212 only leads to the decision we came up with, 31 00:01:19,312 --> 00:01:21,181 which is he's guilty. 32 00:01:21,281 --> 00:01:24,417 - The police can't get it this wrong. 33 00:01:24,517 --> 00:01:26,286 The DA can't get it this wrong. 34 00:01:26,386 --> 00:01:28,421 A jury can't get it this wrong. 35 00:01:28,521 --> 00:01:31,291 The appellate process can't get it this wrong. 36 00:01:31,391 --> 00:01:33,293 The media can't get it this wrong. 37 00:01:33,393 --> 00:01:36,529 - Is this the way criminal justice works in America? 38 00:01:36,629 --> 00:01:39,599 - Here I am two decades later, 39 00:01:39,699 --> 00:01:42,435 still trying to solve this crime. 40 00:01:42,535 --> 00:01:44,237 - I'm still investigating. 41 00:01:44,337 --> 00:01:48,441 I'm still looking at the evidence, asking questions. 42 00:01:48,541 --> 00:01:52,212 - It's gonna be a fight for them to accept the truth. 43 00:02:00,487 --> 00:02:04,257 - December 13, 2004. 44 00:02:04,357 --> 00:02:06,026 People of State of California 45 00:02:06,126 --> 00:02:08,395 versus Scott Peterson. 46 00:02:08,495 --> 00:02:11,164 We, the jury, fix the penalty at death. 47 00:02:11,264 --> 00:02:15,101 [dramatic music] 48 00:02:15,201 --> 00:02:17,203 - And in a case that became something of 49 00:02:17,303 --> 00:02:19,873 a national TV obsession, a judge today 50 00:02:19,973 --> 00:02:22,108 formally sentenced Scott Peterson. 51 00:02:22,208 --> 00:02:23,677 - In spite of all the pain and passion 52 00:02:23,777 --> 00:02:27,047 expressed in court today, one person showed no emotion... 53 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:29,482 Scott Peterson. 54 00:02:29,582 --> 00:02:32,419 - During my trial, I was indignant. 55 00:02:32,519 --> 00:02:35,188 I was so angry at the media, because the reports 56 00:02:35,288 --> 00:02:36,656 just weren't factual. 57 00:02:36,756 --> 00:02:38,792 I strived not to show any emotion in the courtroom 58 00:02:38,892 --> 00:02:42,696 because I didn't wanna, you know, see them break me. 59 00:02:42,796 --> 00:02:49,669 * * 60 00:02:51,504 --> 00:02:54,307 [indistinct chatter] 61 00:02:54,407 --> 00:02:56,543 - When Scott was moved to death row, 62 00:02:56,643 --> 00:02:59,913 we made every effort to get up there and visit him. 63 00:03:00,013 --> 00:03:02,382 For the first eight years, 64 00:03:02,482 --> 00:03:05,285 we had someone there every week. 65 00:03:06,586 --> 00:03:11,458 - Our family has really been the glue for Scott 66 00:03:11,558 --> 00:03:14,828 and for each other through these... 67 00:03:14,928 --> 00:03:16,296 these hard times. 68 00:03:16,396 --> 00:03:20,400 And just fortunate that that's the case. 69 00:03:20,500 --> 00:03:24,771 - He would repeatedly say he... he was living visit to visit. 70 00:03:24,871 --> 00:03:26,673 It was his lifeline. 71 00:03:26,773 --> 00:03:28,108 [cell door clangs] 72 00:03:28,208 --> 00:03:31,077 [suspenseful music] 73 00:03:31,177 --> 00:03:33,079 * * 74 00:03:33,179 --> 00:03:36,583 [birds chirping] 75 00:03:40,653 --> 00:03:43,123 - Sitting through Scott's trial 76 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:44,824 and then spending years 77 00:03:44,924 --> 00:03:48,495 combing over police reports, reading appellate documents, 78 00:03:48,595 --> 00:03:51,398 talking with lawyers, our family had 79 00:03:51,498 --> 00:03:53,366 kind of been tethered to the legal community 80 00:03:53,466 --> 00:03:54,901 for 17 years. 81 00:03:55,001 --> 00:03:56,870 My kids were grown. 82 00:03:56,970 --> 00:04:00,607 Ultimately, I made the decision to go to law school. 83 00:04:02,609 --> 00:04:06,246 I certainly never have felt like I needed to become 84 00:04:06,346 --> 00:04:08,581 a lawyer to help Scott. 85 00:04:08,682 --> 00:04:11,584 But I think now that I am a lawyer, 86 00:04:11,685 --> 00:04:14,220 I certainly have a much better understanding 87 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,323 of the case and the issues. 88 00:04:17,424 --> 00:04:19,659 If Scott is granted a new trial, 89 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:22,462 we'll be able to take more steps in the investigation. 90 00:04:22,562 --> 00:04:25,665 We'll be able to call people to court to testify. 91 00:04:25,765 --> 00:04:27,734 We have an incredible support system, 92 00:04:27,834 --> 00:04:30,837 an incredible team of people who know this case 93 00:04:30,937 --> 00:04:32,672 and help our family. 94 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:36,643 And without them, we wouldn't be where we're at. 95 00:04:36,743 --> 00:04:39,379 And without Mike Gudgell, 96 00:04:39,479 --> 00:04:41,214 I don't know that our investigation 97 00:04:41,314 --> 00:04:43,783 would be where it's at. 98 00:04:47,020 --> 00:04:49,389 [cheering] 99 00:04:49,489 --> 00:04:51,257 - I thought that the trial was going to be 100 00:04:51,358 --> 00:04:53,727 the arbiter of the truth. 101 00:04:53,827 --> 00:04:55,695 And I don't think that's accurate. 102 00:04:57,464 --> 00:04:58,932 Most of the journalists covered the story 103 00:04:59,032 --> 00:05:02,602 from beginning to end, I think expected a hung jury. 104 00:05:02,702 --> 00:05:05,271 I don't know anyone who isn't terribly 105 00:05:05,372 --> 00:05:07,507 conflicted by the verdict. 106 00:05:07,607 --> 00:05:10,377 It was troubling for those of us who really 107 00:05:10,477 --> 00:05:13,713 knew the case intimately. 108 00:05:13,813 --> 00:05:17,817 Scott was convicted, but there was no how, where, 109 00:05:17,917 --> 00:05:20,687 when, even why. 110 00:05:20,787 --> 00:05:24,691 Everyone involved in the case contributed in some way 111 00:05:24,791 --> 00:05:28,628 to a sort of a conspiracy of circumstances 112 00:05:28,728 --> 00:05:30,430 that led to the verdict. 113 00:05:30,530 --> 00:05:33,366 - Anybody who disagrees with the verdict, 114 00:05:33,466 --> 00:05:34,868 you have a right to disagree. 115 00:05:34,968 --> 00:05:38,338 But if you weren't there, you don't know. 116 00:05:38,438 --> 00:05:40,407 - A lot of media coverage, 117 00:05:40,507 --> 00:05:42,776 so I think the jury pool was partly biased. 118 00:05:42,876 --> 00:05:46,613 - Why did he leave his wife alone, eight months pregnant, 119 00:05:46,713 --> 00:05:49,883 on Christmas Eve to go fishing by himself? 120 00:05:49,983 --> 00:05:52,852 - There was a tremendous pressure on the media 121 00:05:52,952 --> 00:05:54,654 to report every day. 122 00:05:54,754 --> 00:05:57,357 And as a consequence, particularly the tabloid press 123 00:05:57,457 --> 00:05:58,658 would report rumors. 124 00:05:58,758 --> 00:06:01,394 - Was Scott Peterson planning to hire hit men 125 00:06:01,494 --> 00:06:02,829 to kill his wife, Laci? 126 00:06:02,929 --> 00:06:07,400 - Every evening, I would sit and watch one of the shows 127 00:06:07,500 --> 00:06:10,470 and I'd wanna throw my shoe at the TV. 128 00:06:10,570 --> 00:06:12,939 Initially, I spent a year, year and a half 129 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:14,941 covering a case from beginning to end. 130 00:06:15,041 --> 00:06:19,379 I went on to do other things, including covering the wars 131 00:06:19,479 --> 00:06:21,314 in Iraq and Afghanistan. 132 00:06:21,414 --> 00:06:23,983 But it always bothered me. 133 00:06:24,084 --> 00:06:27,721 [unsettling music] 134 00:06:27,821 --> 00:06:30,423 I don't really even think the case was solved. 135 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:36,863 So when I got back from covering the two wars, 136 00:06:36,963 --> 00:06:42,602 I devoted as much time as I could to digging more into 137 00:06:42,702 --> 00:06:45,005 what might have happened to Laci. 138 00:06:45,105 --> 00:06:46,439 This is 2015. 139 00:06:46,539 --> 00:06:47,640 The first thing I had to do was get 140 00:06:47,741 --> 00:06:50,844 the 50,000 pages of documents and police reports. 141 00:06:50,944 --> 00:06:52,645 And then I had to go through those documents 142 00:06:52,746 --> 00:06:55,548 and find what questions or clues 143 00:06:55,648 --> 00:06:58,518 were buried in those pages. 144 00:06:58,618 --> 00:07:00,754 There was dozens of different tips that came in, 145 00:07:00,854 --> 00:07:04,424 and I spent years looking into those. 146 00:07:04,524 --> 00:07:05,759 But it finally came down 147 00:07:05,859 --> 00:07:08,561 to the burglary across the street. 148 00:07:08,661 --> 00:07:09,763 - We have two people in custody. 149 00:07:09,863 --> 00:07:11,798 We do not believe that, at this time, 150 00:07:11,898 --> 00:07:14,834 that there's any connection with the missing of Laci. 151 00:07:14,934 --> 00:07:17,704 [ominous music] 152 00:07:17,804 --> 00:07:20,740 - The police characterized the Medina burglary 153 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,477 as kind of a meth addict, and it was a crime of opportunity. 154 00:07:26,012 --> 00:07:28,982 The Airport District was sort of a high crime area 155 00:07:29,082 --> 00:07:32,118 not far from Laci and Scott's house. 156 00:07:32,218 --> 00:07:34,554 And there was a larger effort 157 00:07:34,654 --> 00:07:37,424 to burglarize houses in that neighborhood. 158 00:07:37,524 --> 00:07:38,892 I would call it a criminal network. 159 00:07:40,694 --> 00:07:42,696 I suspect that more people were involved 160 00:07:42,796 --> 00:07:45,498 in the burglary than Steven Todd and Glenn Pearce. 161 00:07:45,598 --> 00:07:47,600 This is just a working theory. 162 00:07:47,701 --> 00:07:49,002 I haven't been able to prove it yet. 163 00:07:49,102 --> 00:07:51,438 And that comes to the question of smoking gun. 164 00:07:51,538 --> 00:07:53,840 But I think it's much more complicated 165 00:07:53,940 --> 00:07:56,710 than what the police believe. 166 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:03,817 - Steven Todd and Glenn Pearce admitted their involvement 167 00:08:03,917 --> 00:08:06,753 with the Medina burglary, telling the police 168 00:08:06,853 --> 00:08:10,056 that the burglary happened on December 27th. 169 00:08:10,156 --> 00:08:12,058 When the police pointed out to them that it couldn't have 170 00:08:12,158 --> 00:08:15,628 happened on the 27th because the Medinas were already home, 171 00:08:15,729 --> 00:08:18,798 they changed their story and said that the burglary 172 00:08:18,898 --> 00:08:20,800 happened on the 26th. 173 00:08:22,402 --> 00:08:25,939 It wasn't until much later that people began to question 174 00:08:26,039 --> 00:08:29,876 whether this burglary really occurred on December 26. 175 00:08:31,945 --> 00:08:34,114 We believe that Laci encountered the Medina 176 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:37,550 burglary on December 24th. 177 00:08:39,886 --> 00:08:43,723 At 11:40 a.m., Diane Jackson saw three men 178 00:08:43,823 --> 00:08:46,659 that were dark-skinned, not African American, 179 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,762 in front of the Medina home. 180 00:08:50,964 --> 00:08:54,100 - So I think Steven Todd shared information 181 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:55,635 about the Medina home 182 00:08:55,735 --> 00:08:57,671 with people in the Airport District. 183 00:08:57,771 --> 00:09:02,642 It's their practice to share targets like that. 184 00:09:04,077 --> 00:09:06,680 It's possible that three men in the van 185 00:09:06,780 --> 00:09:08,915 were some of his friends or accomplices. 186 00:09:11,084 --> 00:09:12,552 - So what likely happened is, 187 00:09:12,652 --> 00:09:14,621 other people showed up to help. 188 00:09:14,721 --> 00:09:17,991 The police have never identified that van, 189 00:09:18,091 --> 00:09:20,727 never identified the men associated with the van. 190 00:09:20,827 --> 00:09:23,563 And that van was parked directly in front of the house 191 00:09:23,663 --> 00:09:25,131 that was burglarized. 192 00:09:25,231 --> 00:09:27,367 It's directly across the street from Scott and Laci's home. 193 00:09:27,467 --> 00:09:30,804 So this confrontation with Laci could have involved 194 00:09:30,904 --> 00:09:33,707 the people in the van, not necessarily 195 00:09:33,807 --> 00:09:36,076 Steven Todd and Glenn Pearce. 196 00:09:36,176 --> 00:09:39,713 - Steven Todd confessed almost immediately to the burglary. 197 00:09:39,813 --> 00:09:42,782 And I think that says something. 198 00:09:42,882 --> 00:09:46,619 I think he was told, you're gonna have to take the fall. 199 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,421 I mean, you know, there's a confidential informant 200 00:09:48,521 --> 00:09:53,093 that turned him in, so he was gonna serve time regardless. 201 00:09:53,193 --> 00:09:56,262 The burglary could have occurred about the same time 202 00:09:56,363 --> 00:09:58,965 Laci went for a walk. 203 00:09:59,065 --> 00:10:02,602 It's possible that Laci confronted the burglars 204 00:10:02,702 --> 00:10:04,871 or saw the burglars, or the burglars saw her 205 00:10:04,971 --> 00:10:07,974 and were worried about whether she would call the police. 206 00:10:10,910 --> 00:10:15,982 - So if you didn't kill Laci, who killed Laci? 207 00:10:34,668 --> 00:10:38,071 [ominous music] 208 00:10:38,171 --> 00:10:40,907 - We had a client who was innocent 209 00:10:41,007 --> 00:10:45,278 but an entire world against him. 210 00:10:45,378 --> 00:10:47,714 He's not capable of doing this. 211 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:51,151 And we truly believe that. 212 00:10:51,251 --> 00:10:55,221 We also believe that...that the evidence backed us up on it. 213 00:10:58,458 --> 00:11:02,696 To have a verdict of guilty 214 00:11:02,796 --> 00:11:07,100 and then the death penalty, 215 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,271 no words can describe the disappointment, the sadness. 216 00:11:11,371 --> 00:11:13,206 It was a huge shock. 217 00:11:13,306 --> 00:11:18,945 I thought, despite the hatred towards Scott, 218 00:11:19,045 --> 00:11:22,816 that they would actually listen to the evidence 219 00:11:22,916 --> 00:11:26,653 and they would base their decision on the evidence 220 00:11:26,753 --> 00:11:27,987 and only on the evidence. 221 00:11:28,088 --> 00:11:30,090 Because I thought, there's no evidence here. 222 00:11:30,190 --> 00:11:31,758 There's no forensic evidence, there's nothing 223 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:34,194 to tie him to the murder. 224 00:11:35,729 --> 00:11:38,631 Our client didn't do it. 225 00:11:38,732 --> 00:11:39,933 Nothing has changed since. 226 00:11:40,033 --> 00:11:42,969 In fact, at this point, years later, 227 00:11:43,069 --> 00:11:45,638 there's more exonerating evidence 228 00:11:45,739 --> 00:11:47,774 that have come to light. 229 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:49,743 - In my years of investigating it, 230 00:11:49,843 --> 00:11:52,445 I investigated a lot of leads 231 00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:54,314 and looked at all possibilities... 232 00:11:54,414 --> 00:11:57,117 that Scott was involved in a murder for hire, 233 00:11:57,217 --> 00:11:59,919 Laci was abducted for her unborn child. 234 00:12:00,020 --> 00:12:01,855 Most of them have been dead ends, 235 00:12:01,955 --> 00:12:03,923 but a process of elimination at this point. 236 00:12:04,024 --> 00:12:06,026 And, you know, there are a few things 237 00:12:06,126 --> 00:12:08,895 that are left that are promising. 238 00:12:11,398 --> 00:12:14,334 And I think the most important piece of information 239 00:12:14,434 --> 00:12:16,036 is the van. 240 00:12:19,439 --> 00:12:22,742 [tense music] 241 00:12:22,842 --> 00:12:25,078 At the very beginning, police were looking for a brown van. 242 00:12:25,178 --> 00:12:28,448 And all the media was also looking for a brown van. 243 00:12:28,548 --> 00:12:30,083 - A brown van could back up 244 00:12:30,183 --> 00:12:31,985 a defense theory Laci was abducted. 245 00:12:32,085 --> 00:12:33,687 - Numerous witnesses reported seeing 246 00:12:33,787 --> 00:12:37,323 a suspicious brown van in the neighborhood that morning. 247 00:12:37,424 --> 00:12:41,795 - I noticed three people across the street on the Medinas' lawn 248 00:12:41,895 --> 00:12:44,264 and they were right next to a van. 249 00:12:44,364 --> 00:12:45,231 - I always look around. 250 00:12:45,331 --> 00:12:47,767 And I have never seen a van like that before. 251 00:12:47,867 --> 00:12:49,736 - And so you saw the van, coincidentally, 252 00:12:49,836 --> 00:12:50,970 at the same time you saw Laci? Or... 253 00:12:51,071 --> 00:12:52,972 - Yes. No, no, same time. 254 00:12:53,073 --> 00:12:54,407 - There's some variation, but there were three or four 255 00:12:54,507 --> 00:12:57,210 witnesses who saw the same van across from the Petersons', 256 00:12:57,310 --> 00:13:01,081 next to the Medina home, on the morning Laci disappeared. 257 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:07,153 And then I heard about an orange van 258 00:13:07,253 --> 00:13:10,857 that had burned in the Airport District 259 00:13:10,957 --> 00:13:12,792 the morning after Laci disappeared. 260 00:13:12,892 --> 00:13:14,227 Maybe that's our brown van? 261 00:13:14,327 --> 00:13:17,197 - Police recently took the van to this crime lab, 262 00:13:17,297 --> 00:13:20,200 examined it, and concluded that the van was not 263 00:13:20,300 --> 00:13:22,669 in any way involved in the disappearance 264 00:13:22,769 --> 00:13:24,904 of Laci Peterson. 265 00:13:26,706 --> 00:13:30,010 - I remember sort of, you know, those internal instinctual 266 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:33,346 alarm bells going off that there was something wrong 267 00:13:33,446 --> 00:13:36,683 and that...this sort of feeling stuck with me. 268 00:13:36,783 --> 00:13:38,218 So that's 2004. 269 00:13:38,318 --> 00:13:40,353 And then fast forward over ten years. 270 00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:45,992 [suspenseful music] 271 00:13:46,092 --> 00:13:48,294 Not believing everything I heard 272 00:13:48,395 --> 00:13:50,497 either in the media or the police, 273 00:13:50,597 --> 00:13:54,300 I started following the leads. 274 00:13:54,401 --> 00:14:00,040 I decided to look through all the documents, 40,000 pages. 275 00:14:00,140 --> 00:14:04,310 I started, on my own, interviewing witnesses. 276 00:14:04,411 --> 00:14:06,680 I went to interview the owner of the van 277 00:14:06,780 --> 00:14:10,216 where it was stolen, a moving and rigging company. 278 00:14:10,316 --> 00:14:13,153 And he told me that the employees could take 279 00:14:13,253 --> 00:14:15,155 some of the vehicles home and he believed 280 00:14:15,255 --> 00:14:17,290 it was kind of an inside job. 281 00:14:17,390 --> 00:14:20,994 If it was an inside job, and if employees were allowed 282 00:14:21,094 --> 00:14:23,096 to take the van home for the weekend or whatever, 283 00:14:23,196 --> 00:14:25,231 they could have just taken the van back 284 00:14:25,331 --> 00:14:27,334 and no one would have even known. 285 00:14:27,434 --> 00:14:29,369 So I think very logical that it was burned 286 00:14:29,469 --> 00:14:32,505 to cover up a crime. 287 00:14:32,605 --> 00:14:34,374 After that, I'm looking into 288 00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:37,077 the criminal community in Modesto, 289 00:14:37,177 --> 00:14:38,244 and some of the names I'm seeing 290 00:14:38,345 --> 00:14:40,580 are associated with that burnt van. 291 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,315 The last person to drive it 292 00:14:42,415 --> 00:14:45,251 definitely had a criminal record, including burglary. 293 00:14:45,352 --> 00:14:48,855 And a family member of the owner of the van 294 00:14:48,955 --> 00:14:53,293 was associated, a friend of Steven Todd. 295 00:14:53,393 --> 00:14:56,496 Steven Todd's wife's sister lived in a house 296 00:14:56,596 --> 00:14:59,466 right next to where the burnt van was found. 297 00:14:59,566 --> 00:15:01,568 - The thing about the Airport District, 298 00:15:01,668 --> 00:15:03,236 it isn't that big of an area. 299 00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:06,172 And to have a burned-out van found near the relative 300 00:15:06,272 --> 00:15:09,142 of one of the burglars isn't anything, to me, 301 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:11,544 that would be suspicious whatsoever. 302 00:15:11,644 --> 00:15:14,047 Why now is this just coming up? 303 00:15:14,147 --> 00:15:16,516 It seems interesting to me. 304 00:15:16,616 --> 00:15:22,522 * * 305 00:15:22,622 --> 00:15:24,224 - I wanna show you the van. 306 00:15:24,324 --> 00:15:28,228 So these are the six color pictures I was able to get. 307 00:15:28,328 --> 00:15:30,230 And to my knowledge, are the only pictures 308 00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:34,234 that remain out of possibly over a hundred that were shot. 309 00:15:36,436 --> 00:15:39,072 I found the three- or four-page report 310 00:15:39,172 --> 00:15:41,274 from Bryan Spitulski, the arson investigator. 311 00:15:41,374 --> 00:15:44,144 So I decided to give him a visit. 312 00:15:44,244 --> 00:15:46,046 And he looked at me and he said, 313 00:15:46,146 --> 00:15:47,914 I've been waiting ten years for someone 314 00:15:48,014 --> 00:15:49,449 to come and ask questions about this. 315 00:15:52,719 --> 00:15:54,254 - My name is Bryan Spitulski. 316 00:15:54,354 --> 00:15:56,690 I've been a fire investigator for almost 30 years. 317 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:59,159 In 2002, I was a fire investigator 318 00:15:59,259 --> 00:16:01,261 for Modesto City Fire Department. 319 00:16:03,263 --> 00:16:07,500 December 25th, the fire came in for a vehicle fire 320 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,969 in an alleyway. 321 00:16:10,070 --> 00:16:12,072 As I did my walk around, I noticed 322 00:16:12,172 --> 00:16:14,007 there was a mattress in the back of the van 323 00:16:14,107 --> 00:16:17,143 that was mostly consumed by the fire. 324 00:16:17,243 --> 00:16:19,612 - And they put this round gas can over the mattress, 325 00:16:19,713 --> 00:16:23,583 I'm sure thinking that the gas can would destroy the mattress. 326 00:16:23,683 --> 00:16:27,220 But the metal gas can actually protected this 327 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,357 foot-and-a-half circle of mattress. 328 00:16:30,457 --> 00:16:31,925 - It was a little bit discolored, 329 00:16:32,025 --> 00:16:33,360 but it wasn't burned at all. 330 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:35,962 It's kind of a grayish off-white fabric 331 00:16:36,062 --> 00:16:38,932 with rust-colored stains in it. 332 00:16:39,032 --> 00:16:40,400 It looked like blood to me. 333 00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:46,539 And I cut away a piece of that fabric so we could understand, 334 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:50,310 was this just a rust color or was this truly blood? 335 00:16:51,478 --> 00:16:53,380 When we cut it away and we stuck it 336 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,516 into the container that had the luminol in it, 337 00:16:56,616 --> 00:16:57,283 it went blue. 338 00:16:57,384 --> 00:16:59,686 There's human blood on that item. 339 00:16:59,786 --> 00:17:05,025 * * 340 00:17:05,125 --> 00:17:07,660 [birds chirping] 341 00:17:07,761 --> 00:17:10,463 [car horn honking] 342 00:17:13,166 --> 00:17:14,634 - Between Christmas and New Year's, 343 00:17:14,734 --> 00:17:18,438 the news started to come out about Laci missing. 344 00:17:18,538 --> 00:17:20,440 When I heard that, that's when I got on the phone 345 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:24,177 and called up my detective and said, look, 346 00:17:24,277 --> 00:17:26,279 now, you know, we've got this van. 347 00:17:26,379 --> 00:17:28,314 We've got a mattress in the back of it. 348 00:17:28,415 --> 00:17:31,017 It's similar in description of what everybody's saying. 349 00:17:31,117 --> 00:17:32,085 I think you need to take a look at that. 350 00:17:32,185 --> 00:17:34,921 [inquisitive music] 351 00:17:35,021 --> 00:17:37,457 - The detectives came out. The police chief came out. 352 00:17:37,557 --> 00:17:41,294 It was a really high-profile development in the case. 353 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:44,230 The first test at the scene, 354 00:17:44,330 --> 00:17:45,999 right after they found the van, 355 00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:47,167 was a presumptive test. 356 00:17:47,267 --> 00:17:49,202 It's a field test. 357 00:17:49,302 --> 00:17:51,338 - And then the next day, a sample would be 358 00:17:51,438 --> 00:17:53,807 hand-delivered to the Department of Justice 359 00:17:53,907 --> 00:17:57,143 for a more in-depth analysis. 360 00:17:57,243 --> 00:17:58,478 - And it was tested there, 361 00:17:58,578 --> 00:18:00,480 and they couldn't detect blood. 362 00:18:04,517 --> 00:18:07,754 - So at that point, it seemed like 363 00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:12,025 the...the air left the van. 364 00:18:12,125 --> 00:18:16,629 It was no longer something that needed to be looked at. 365 00:18:16,730 --> 00:18:21,234 Even though we had the positive luminol test, 366 00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:23,503 that was it. It was done. 367 00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:28,641 * * 368 00:18:28,742 --> 00:18:32,045 It has been in my mind and has kept me awake 369 00:18:32,145 --> 00:18:35,115 and has bothered me at night. 370 00:18:35,215 --> 00:18:37,384 Why didn't this get brought up? 371 00:18:37,484 --> 00:18:40,453 There's blood on a mattress in a van 372 00:18:40,553 --> 00:18:46,292 that was burned about a mile from where Laci disappeared. 373 00:18:46,393 --> 00:18:49,396 That screams "needs further investigation." 374 00:18:49,496 --> 00:18:51,364 - They couldn't determine whether it was human blood 375 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:53,566 or not, but there was human DNA. 376 00:18:55,568 --> 00:18:57,637 I contacted the defense and said, 377 00:18:57,737 --> 00:19:00,473 are you aware of these photographs? 378 00:19:00,573 --> 00:19:02,342 They weren't aware of it. 379 00:19:02,442 --> 00:19:04,611 But they asked for the photos themselves 380 00:19:04,711 --> 00:19:08,181 and then they asked for further testing. 381 00:19:08,281 --> 00:19:10,717 It's possible that they could get a sequencing 382 00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:14,454 and find out whose DNA is on that mattress. 383 00:19:40,413 --> 00:19:42,582 - When you think about it, it basically comes down 384 00:19:42,682 --> 00:19:45,518 that there was a crime, there's DNA. 385 00:19:45,618 --> 00:19:49,689 We should probably find out whose DNA it is. 386 00:19:49,789 --> 00:19:51,424 Pretty simple. 387 00:19:56,196 --> 00:19:57,697 [birds chirping] 388 00:19:57,797 --> 00:20:00,567 [dog barking] 389 00:20:01,935 --> 00:20:03,136 - Hello. - Hi. 390 00:20:03,236 --> 00:20:04,237 - Hi. Good to see you again. 391 00:20:04,337 --> 00:20:06,573 - Good to see you. 392 00:20:06,673 --> 00:20:07,507 Good. 393 00:20:07,607 --> 00:20:09,242 Ready to work. - All right. 394 00:20:09,342 --> 00:20:12,645 [suspenseful music] 395 00:20:12,746 --> 00:20:14,614 - Well, I was thinking it could just be a good idea 396 00:20:14,714 --> 00:20:17,117 to kinda lay out big picture of what we know 397 00:20:17,217 --> 00:20:19,285 the evidence to be right now. 398 00:20:19,386 --> 00:20:21,621 This is the evidence, starting with some of the things 399 00:20:21,721 --> 00:20:25,425 we've known for 20 years, all the way up to new evidence 400 00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:26,826 we've just obtained in the last year 401 00:20:26,926 --> 00:20:30,363 and how we worked our way through this evidence 402 00:20:30,463 --> 00:20:33,133 as kind of a family and a team of people 403 00:20:33,233 --> 00:20:34,768 trying to solve a crime. 404 00:20:34,868 --> 00:20:38,471 We all know that Laci went missing on December 24th. 405 00:20:38,571 --> 00:20:41,608 The dog was found in the neighborhood with a leash on. 406 00:20:41,708 --> 00:20:45,178 Karen Servas had put McKenzie back in the yard 407 00:20:45,278 --> 00:20:46,913 no later than 10:18. 408 00:20:47,013 --> 00:20:49,249 And she had closed the gate. 409 00:20:49,349 --> 00:20:50,583 The neighbors across the street, 410 00:20:50,684 --> 00:20:52,585 they had left the morning of December 24th. 411 00:20:52,686 --> 00:20:54,487 They returned home December 26th 412 00:20:54,587 --> 00:20:56,456 to find their home has been burglarized. 413 00:20:56,556 --> 00:20:58,491 You have the neighbor, Diane Jackson, 414 00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:01,394 seeing a van and men the morning of December 24th, 415 00:21:01,494 --> 00:21:02,762 the day that Laci went missing. 416 00:21:02,862 --> 00:21:05,632 So the evidence indicates that the Medina burglary 417 00:21:05,732 --> 00:21:07,767 started the morning of December 24th. 418 00:21:09,636 --> 00:21:11,938 The Medinas, who lived across the street, 419 00:21:12,038 --> 00:21:14,374 didn't leave until 10:30. 420 00:21:14,474 --> 00:21:17,477 So there was a perception that the Medina burglary 421 00:21:17,577 --> 00:21:20,347 was unrelated to what happened to Laci 422 00:21:20,447 --> 00:21:22,682 because the Medinas hadn't left yet. 423 00:21:24,417 --> 00:21:26,986 - So many of the mistakes have to do 424 00:21:27,087 --> 00:21:29,289 with the Karen Servas timeline. 425 00:21:29,389 --> 00:21:30,924 - You found the dog in the street. 426 00:21:31,024 --> 00:21:32,325 - Yes, I did. 427 00:21:32,425 --> 00:21:33,860 - And put the dog in the backyard. 428 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,097 That ended up being very critical to the prosecution's 429 00:21:37,197 --> 00:21:40,533 case because they needed to establish a certain time. 430 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:42,769 - Scott Peterson, based on triangulation 431 00:21:42,869 --> 00:21:45,271 of cell phone records and cell phone towers, 432 00:21:45,372 --> 00:21:48,508 in his own neighborhood at 10:08. 433 00:21:48,608 --> 00:21:52,645 At 10:18, the neighbor finds the dog 434 00:21:52,746 --> 00:21:54,481 running free with a muddy leash. 435 00:21:54,581 --> 00:21:56,683 - That's a DA timeline. 436 00:21:56,783 --> 00:21:58,885 That's not the defense timeline. 437 00:21:58,985 --> 00:22:01,921 She could have gone missing at any hour that morning. 438 00:22:02,022 --> 00:22:05,825 - The judge bought into this Karen Servas timeline, 439 00:22:05,925 --> 00:22:09,863 the idea that Laci's already dead by 10:18. 440 00:22:09,963 --> 00:22:12,565 So the judge said, the burglars weren't there, 441 00:22:12,665 --> 00:22:14,167 so they couldn't have been involved. 442 00:22:14,267 --> 00:22:16,870 - It meant the jury didn't hear evidence about the burglary. 443 00:22:19,806 --> 00:22:23,610 - Years later, the defense discovers 444 00:22:23,710 --> 00:22:27,280 this bit of potential evidence from a mailman 445 00:22:27,380 --> 00:22:28,882 by the name of Graybill. 446 00:22:28,982 --> 00:22:32,018 And he claims that he delivered mail 447 00:22:32,118 --> 00:22:34,521 between 10:35 and 10:55, 448 00:22:34,621 --> 00:22:36,956 and what he did notice was that McKenzie, 449 00:22:37,057 --> 00:22:40,460 the dog that always barked every time he delivered mail, 450 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,663 wasn't barking, and that the gate 451 00:22:43,763 --> 00:22:46,399 at the Peterson home was open. 452 00:22:46,499 --> 00:22:50,370 - And if the dog wasn't there and Laci wasn't there, 453 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:52,539 that means she was walking the dog. 454 00:22:52,639 --> 00:22:54,741 And we know that several people 455 00:22:54,841 --> 00:22:57,711 had seen a pregnant woman walking. 456 00:22:57,811 --> 00:22:59,612 - That was the missing piece. 457 00:22:59,713 --> 00:23:02,282 Laci was still home when Karen Servas 458 00:23:02,382 --> 00:23:03,717 put the dog back in the yard. 459 00:23:03,817 --> 00:23:07,220 If Laci is alive after 10:30, 460 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,890 Laci could have encountered the Medina burglary. 461 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:15,862 - We know the timeline now because of Russell Graybill. 462 00:23:15,962 --> 00:23:18,531 We know more about the burglary. 463 00:23:21,034 --> 00:23:23,837 - We've spent a lot of time trying to connect 464 00:23:23,937 --> 00:23:27,707 this burglary, the mailman, and Russell Graybill. 465 00:23:27,807 --> 00:23:30,477 There's just so many tips and so much information, 466 00:23:30,577 --> 00:23:33,847 and the timeline of the morning was so misunderstood. 467 00:23:33,947 --> 00:23:36,016 These are the significant tips that came in 468 00:23:36,116 --> 00:23:38,685 to the Modesto Police Department, a lot of which 469 00:23:38,785 --> 00:23:40,553 are at issue in the filings. 470 00:23:40,653 --> 00:23:42,455 There are more, but these are the ones 471 00:23:42,555 --> 00:23:44,724 that are most commonly talked about. 472 00:23:44,824 --> 00:23:46,760 As a family, we believe the police 473 00:23:46,860 --> 00:23:49,129 were putting due diligence into following up 474 00:23:49,229 --> 00:23:50,430 on the sightings of Laci. 475 00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:53,600 [indistinct chatter] 476 00:24:01,908 --> 00:24:05,545 They had some people came in with tips. 477 00:24:05,645 --> 00:24:09,616 Passed those on to the police because 478 00:24:09,716 --> 00:24:11,051 I wanted them to follow up, 479 00:24:11,151 --> 00:24:13,720 and I thought they were following up on them. 480 00:24:13,820 --> 00:24:15,689 I found out later when I started to read 481 00:24:15,789 --> 00:24:17,557 the police discovery, their reports, 482 00:24:17,657 --> 00:24:19,459 which were given to us before trial, 483 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:22,562 that they weren't following up on anything. 484 00:24:22,662 --> 00:24:24,564 - Just a couple of things about the tip lines. 485 00:24:24,664 --> 00:24:27,300 There's been now about 340 calls that's come in. 486 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:31,071 - There's been tips that the burglars confronted Laci. 487 00:24:31,171 --> 00:24:35,308 One was a former Los Angeles reserve officer 488 00:24:35,408 --> 00:24:40,013 who had seen someone being sort of muscled into a van. 489 00:24:40,113 --> 00:24:43,416 - He was so disturbed by it that he called police. 490 00:24:43,516 --> 00:24:45,585 [line trills] 491 00:24:45,685 --> 00:24:47,954 His name was Tom Harshman. 492 00:24:48,054 --> 00:24:49,089 - Hello? 493 00:24:49,189 --> 00:24:50,690 - Hi. Mr. Harshman? 494 00:24:50,790 --> 00:24:54,527 I'm doing research for a documentary, 495 00:24:54,627 --> 00:24:57,897 and I read about your tip that you... 496 00:24:57,997 --> 00:25:00,667 that you made to the Modesto Police. 497 00:25:36,236 --> 00:25:38,705 [phone ringing] 498 00:25:40,073 --> 00:25:42,876 - Tom Harshman calls twice on the 28th. 499 00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:46,713 Then he's so upset by what he saw, 500 00:25:46,813 --> 00:25:48,114 he actually goes to the police 501 00:25:48,214 --> 00:25:51,618 so that everyone knows he saw a pregnant woman 502 00:25:51,718 --> 00:25:53,720 being shoved into a van. 503 00:25:59,025 --> 00:26:01,194 - I mean, there were a lot of phantom sightings 504 00:26:01,294 --> 00:26:02,696 from people and things. 505 00:26:02,796 --> 00:26:04,964 But as far as that being a specific one, 506 00:26:05,065 --> 00:26:07,467 I never heard anything like that. 507 00:26:07,567 --> 00:26:09,035 - No detective was assigned. 508 00:26:09,135 --> 00:26:13,106 In fact, they put more effort into discrediting 509 00:26:13,206 --> 00:26:16,810 the Laci sightings, rather than go talk to the people 510 00:26:16,910 --> 00:26:20,580 who actually said they saw Laci that day. 511 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,717 - This is one thing that does bother me. 512 00:26:23,817 --> 00:26:27,020 If I'm living in Modesto and Tom Harshman reports 513 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:29,889 that a pregnant lady was physically abused 514 00:26:29,989 --> 00:26:33,193 on the side of a road, if it wasn't Laci, who was it? 515 00:26:33,293 --> 00:26:36,730 - So any evidence that Laci is alive after Scott leaves, 516 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:38,765 whether it's Laci walking the dog 517 00:26:38,865 --> 00:26:40,700 or Laci encountering a burglary, 518 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,969 is evidence that Scott is innocent. 519 00:26:45,138 --> 00:26:47,774 - There are so many instances where 520 00:26:47,874 --> 00:26:50,877 there was evidence that didn't fit 521 00:26:50,977 --> 00:26:52,779 the detective's theory that they ignored. 522 00:26:57,083 --> 00:27:00,954 - Very late in Scott's trial, a tip came in 523 00:27:01,054 --> 00:27:05,325 talking about Laci confronting the burglary. 524 00:27:05,425 --> 00:27:06,826 - My name is Xavier Aponte. 525 00:27:06,926 --> 00:27:10,096 I was a correctional officer 526 00:27:10,196 --> 00:27:13,199 at the California Rehabilitation Center in Norco. 527 00:27:18,204 --> 00:27:21,908 In January 2003, one of the correctional officers 528 00:27:22,008 --> 00:27:24,711 responsible for monitoring inmate calls 529 00:27:24,811 --> 00:27:26,813 overheard a conversation. 530 00:27:26,913 --> 00:27:31,518 There were rumors on the street that Laci Peterson 531 00:27:31,618 --> 00:27:35,321 had walked up and interrupted a burglary down the street 532 00:27:35,422 --> 00:27:37,323 from her house. 533 00:27:37,424 --> 00:27:39,993 [phone dialing] 534 00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:44,030 I contacted the Modesto PD's tip hotline 535 00:27:44,130 --> 00:27:47,233 because somebody might wanna follow up on it. 536 00:27:48,968 --> 00:27:52,906 I did not receive any immediate calls back. 537 00:27:53,006 --> 00:27:55,809 And probably about a week or so later, 538 00:27:55,909 --> 00:27:59,779 I made a second phone call and reiterated 539 00:27:59,879 --> 00:28:03,149 what I had left the first time. 540 00:28:03,249 --> 00:28:05,785 - Modesto PD and the prosecution, 541 00:28:05,885 --> 00:28:07,921 they'd been sitting on that information 542 00:28:08,021 --> 00:28:10,023 and didn't bother to share it with us. 543 00:28:10,123 --> 00:28:13,660 Later, we asked for the recording. 544 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,962 We never got the recording. 545 00:28:16,062 --> 00:28:20,834 That recording does not exist right now. 546 00:28:20,934 --> 00:28:24,871 Supposedly, the detectives looked everywhere. 547 00:28:24,971 --> 00:28:27,040 Was this something that was deep-sixed? 548 00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:31,011 The bottom line is, this was material, 549 00:28:31,111 --> 00:28:33,680 exonerating evidence that should have been turned over 550 00:28:33,780 --> 00:28:35,248 and it wasn't turned over. 551 00:28:37,250 --> 00:28:40,754 - The Lieutenant Aponte tip, under further scrutiny, 552 00:28:40,854 --> 00:28:43,790 as Detective Grogan started looking into it, 553 00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:45,792 his story changed slightly. 554 00:28:45,892 --> 00:28:48,161 And then as Grogan pressed him more, 555 00:28:48,261 --> 00:28:51,131 he ended up recanting this information 556 00:28:51,231 --> 00:28:53,266 and saying that it really wasn't true at all. 557 00:28:53,366 --> 00:28:56,202 - Aponte has recanted everything he said. 558 00:28:56,302 --> 00:28:58,438 Who's the officer that told you about it first? 559 00:28:58,538 --> 00:28:59,839 He couldn't remember. 560 00:28:59,939 --> 00:29:00,807 Where's your notes in the log where 561 00:29:00,907 --> 00:29:02,142 you log in all these tapes? 562 00:29:02,242 --> 00:29:04,210 Couldn't find it. Well, where's the tape? 563 00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:04,844 Don't have it. 564 00:29:04,944 --> 00:29:06,713 And that was the end of that. 565 00:29:06,813 --> 00:29:10,183 It was just a big malarkey. 566 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,192 - At no time have I ever recanted my statements. 567 00:29:19,292 --> 00:29:23,763 What I did say is that his conversation 568 00:29:23,863 --> 00:29:29,069 seemed to be hearsay from the talk on the street. 569 00:29:29,169 --> 00:29:34,240 The statements that I made were true and factual. 570 00:29:34,341 --> 00:29:37,744 - Lieutenant Aponte has called in a tip 571 00:29:37,844 --> 00:29:41,481 connecting the burglars to Laci. 572 00:29:41,581 --> 00:29:42,982 You know you've got a duty 573 00:29:43,083 --> 00:29:45,352 to turn over exonerating evidence 574 00:29:45,452 --> 00:29:49,022 that tend to show someone's innocence. 575 00:29:53,793 --> 00:29:55,228 - What else do we have? 576 00:29:55,328 --> 00:29:57,230 - Right on the heels of the Medina burglary, 577 00:29:57,330 --> 00:30:00,033 this reward was offered, I believe, on December 31st. 578 00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:03,303 Well, on that same day, a Croton watch was pawned. 579 00:30:03,403 --> 00:30:06,940 And when Laci went missing, she was wearing a Croton watch 580 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,275 that she had inherited from her grandmother. 581 00:30:09,376 --> 00:30:11,344 - Tell me about the Croton watch. 582 00:30:11,444 --> 00:30:14,748 - She inherited it, you know, before Christmas, 583 00:30:14,848 --> 00:30:16,082 not long before Christmas. 584 00:30:16,182 --> 00:30:19,953 And it was kind of gaudy. 585 00:30:21,154 --> 00:30:25,291 It had a bezel with diamonds around it. 586 00:30:25,392 --> 00:30:28,294 We joked about it. We called it her rapper watch. 587 00:30:28,395 --> 00:30:35,268 * * 588 00:30:37,203 --> 00:30:43,777 - On December 31, 2002, a lady came in and she sold us 589 00:30:43,877 --> 00:30:47,347 a 14-karat-gold Croton Watch. 590 00:30:47,447 --> 00:30:51,418 Everything we loan or buy goes to a master computer. 591 00:30:51,518 --> 00:30:55,055 I was contacted by the Modesto Police Department. 592 00:30:55,155 --> 00:30:58,124 They thought maybe it was Laci Peterson's watch. 593 00:30:58,224 --> 00:30:59,959 They just came in and said 594 00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:00,927 they're here to pick up the watch, 595 00:31:01,027 --> 00:31:03,363 and they took the watch. 596 00:31:03,463 --> 00:31:04,531 - Where is the watch? 597 00:31:04,631 --> 00:31:07,567 And was that Laci's watch? 598 00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:09,936 They never found it. 599 00:31:10,036 --> 00:31:11,338 - I knew it was missing. 600 00:31:11,438 --> 00:31:13,406 But the first time I heard that the police 601 00:31:13,506 --> 00:31:18,144 knew about it being pawned was well after I was arrested. 602 00:31:18,244 --> 00:31:20,246 The police have to provide the defense 603 00:31:20,347 --> 00:31:22,515 with discovery when they ask for it, 604 00:31:22,615 --> 00:31:25,318 any exculpatory information. 605 00:31:25,418 --> 00:31:28,321 The police hadn't shared this with us at all. 606 00:31:28,421 --> 00:31:31,257 And now I know why, because they covered it up. 607 00:31:33,126 --> 00:31:35,095 - I think it was a wild goose chase. 608 00:31:35,195 --> 00:31:36,896 If it would have been something of importance, 609 00:31:36,996 --> 00:31:37,997 if it would have been major, 610 00:31:38,098 --> 00:31:39,132 it would have been in the trial. 611 00:31:39,232 --> 00:31:41,167 - We can never prove it was hers. 612 00:31:41,267 --> 00:31:45,972 It never amounted to anything other than speculation. 613 00:31:46,072 --> 00:31:48,875 - It may have been Laci's 614 00:31:48,975 --> 00:31:51,411 and it may not have been Laci's. 615 00:31:51,511 --> 00:31:54,214 But the bottom line, they interviewed 616 00:31:54,314 --> 00:31:56,483 the owner of the pawn shop. 617 00:31:56,583 --> 00:32:00,253 It should have been turned over to the defense. 618 00:32:00,353 --> 00:32:02,222 Never turned over to the defense. 619 00:32:02,322 --> 00:32:05,959 - This really highlight the failings 620 00:32:06,059 --> 00:32:08,128 of the Modesto Police investigation. 621 00:32:08,228 --> 00:32:11,064 The sightings of Laci were not followed up on. 622 00:32:11,164 --> 00:32:14,200 The sightings of McKenzie were not followed up on. 623 00:32:14,300 --> 00:32:17,404 This burnt van certainly was not followed up on. 624 00:32:17,504 --> 00:32:20,340 This watch was not followed up on. 625 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,144 - Now, do you think some things were followed up on 626 00:32:24,244 --> 00:32:27,414 by the Modesto Police, but documents 627 00:32:27,514 --> 00:32:31,217 or related evidence 628 00:32:31,317 --> 00:32:34,254 wasn't turned over to the defense? 629 00:32:34,354 --> 00:32:38,358 - I strongly believe, based on the sum total of the reports 630 00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,326 and how things are cross-referenced, 631 00:32:40,427 --> 00:32:42,529 that there's a strong possibility that 632 00:32:42,629 --> 00:32:45,131 we're missing reports on the Croton Watch. 633 00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:47,534 It was confirmed we were missing reports 634 00:32:47,634 --> 00:32:51,371 on this burned van when Scott's appellate attorney, in 2006, 635 00:32:51,471 --> 00:32:54,407 requested from the district attorney, hey, 636 00:32:54,507 --> 00:32:58,211 can you send me your whole file on this van? 637 00:32:58,311 --> 00:33:00,046 Scott's defense attorney, Mark Geragos, 638 00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:02,882 initially had a few files on this van, 639 00:33:02,982 --> 00:33:07,320 but he did not have photos of that bloodstained mattress. 640 00:33:07,420 --> 00:33:11,057 - People want the answer they believed in 641 00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:14,461 to continue to be the answer. 642 00:33:14,561 --> 00:33:17,197 You know, people are who we all are. 643 00:33:17,297 --> 00:33:21,568 We're...we're slow to admit we're wrong. 644 00:33:26,339 --> 00:33:29,509 [suspenseful music] 645 00:33:29,609 --> 00:33:33,613 * * 646 00:33:33,713 --> 00:33:37,617 - In California, death penalty cases just take a long time. 647 00:33:37,717 --> 00:33:43,123 You know, we had 12, 15 years where nothing happened. 648 00:33:43,223 --> 00:33:46,159 The bigger hope that Scott would be exonerated 649 00:33:46,259 --> 00:33:48,361 really drove what we did, 650 00:33:48,461 --> 00:33:52,032 specifically his death sentence. 651 00:33:52,132 --> 00:33:53,967 We didn't really know how long it would take. 652 00:33:54,067 --> 00:33:56,169 We just kept investigating. 653 00:33:56,269 --> 00:33:57,604 His attorneys kept working. 654 00:33:57,704 --> 00:34:01,274 We just hung on to every shred of hope, 655 00:34:01,374 --> 00:34:03,943 every, what else can we do? 656 00:34:04,044 --> 00:34:05,478 And...and let's do it. 657 00:34:09,616 --> 00:34:12,385 - News today, convicted killer Scott Peterson 658 00:34:12,485 --> 00:34:15,121 is officially off death row. 659 00:34:15,221 --> 00:34:17,323 He was resentenced to life in prison 660 00:34:17,424 --> 00:34:19,626 without the possibility of parole. 661 00:34:22,362 --> 00:34:26,366 - Judge Delucchi made an error during jury selection. 662 00:34:28,435 --> 00:34:30,136 He said, if you're against the death penalty, 663 00:34:30,236 --> 00:34:31,438 well, then you're excused. 664 00:34:31,538 --> 00:34:35,141 When law in California says, if you say, 665 00:34:35,241 --> 00:34:38,378 I am against the death penalty, the judge is supposed 666 00:34:38,478 --> 00:34:40,113 to ask you questions about it. 667 00:34:40,213 --> 00:34:41,581 Judge Delucchi didn't do that. 668 00:34:41,681 --> 00:34:44,317 And the California Supreme Court, for that reason, 669 00:34:44,417 --> 00:34:47,320 overturned the sentence for Scott Peterson. 670 00:34:49,489 --> 00:34:51,825 - I felt a sense of relief when Scott's 671 00:34:51,925 --> 00:34:52,926 death sentence was overturned. 672 00:34:53,026 --> 00:34:57,063 I know the first time that I went to go visit him in person 673 00:34:57,163 --> 00:34:58,631 at Mule Creek, I'm sitting in this big room 674 00:34:58,732 --> 00:35:01,034 with all these people and waiting for Scott 675 00:35:01,134 --> 00:35:02,068 to come through the door. 676 00:35:02,168 --> 00:35:03,336 And he came through the door, 677 00:35:03,436 --> 00:35:06,206 unescorted and unhandcuffed. 678 00:35:06,306 --> 00:35:10,143 I was just looking at him and I actually was wondering 679 00:35:10,243 --> 00:35:12,278 what was wrong with his walk. 680 00:35:12,379 --> 00:35:14,114 I was like, why is he walking funny? 681 00:35:14,214 --> 00:35:17,317 And I realized later that I had not seen him walk 682 00:35:17,417 --> 00:35:20,987 with his arms swinging for 20 years. 683 00:35:21,087 --> 00:35:22,489 - All rise. 684 00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:29,662 - Once the death penalty was off the table, 685 00:35:29,763 --> 00:35:33,433 Scott Peterson, at that point, lost a lot of resources 686 00:35:33,533 --> 00:35:35,268 that were available to him. 687 00:35:35,368 --> 00:35:38,238 - The problem for Scott Peterson is that 688 00:35:38,338 --> 00:35:39,673 now that he's off of death row, 689 00:35:39,773 --> 00:35:43,376 he's lost state-sponsored representation. 690 00:35:43,476 --> 00:35:47,447 - There is a practical reality for all but the... 691 00:35:47,547 --> 00:35:51,017 the wealthiest people in America that, 692 00:35:51,117 --> 00:35:52,585 at some point... 693 00:35:52,686 --> 00:35:55,121 and we're certainly there, 20 years post conviction... 694 00:35:55,221 --> 00:35:59,259 families lose their ability to afford the cost 695 00:35:59,359 --> 00:36:01,361 of high-end attorneys. 696 00:36:01,461 --> 00:36:06,199 - There was clearly a need for an organization or a team 697 00:36:06,299 --> 00:36:09,336 that was financially secure, 698 00:36:09,436 --> 00:36:12,672 had access to a lot more resources. 699 00:36:14,407 --> 00:36:16,109 - I wasn't even remotely qualified 700 00:36:16,209 --> 00:36:18,545 to take over his case. 701 00:36:18,645 --> 00:36:20,714 There's a number of problems with Scott's conviction, 702 00:36:20,814 --> 00:36:22,716 but one of the things going on in his case 703 00:36:22,816 --> 00:36:24,751 was that there needed to be some DNA testing. 704 00:36:24,851 --> 00:36:27,420 And Scott's attorney had noticed that 705 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,156 the newly formed Los Angeles Innocence Project 706 00:36:30,256 --> 00:36:32,492 had a DNA grant. 707 00:36:32,592 --> 00:36:36,329 - 2023, Scott Peterson's appellate attorneys 708 00:36:36,429 --> 00:36:38,765 reached out to the Los Angeles Innocence Project 709 00:36:38,865 --> 00:36:42,369 in the hopes that they would take on the case. 710 00:36:42,469 --> 00:36:45,805 - When the Innocence Project takes a case, 711 00:36:45,905 --> 00:36:46,673 it sends a message. 712 00:36:46,773 --> 00:36:49,042 - When the Innocence Project gets involved, 713 00:36:49,142 --> 00:36:52,479 they only get involved if they believe they can win a case. 714 00:36:52,579 --> 00:36:54,681 This appears to be the beginning stages. 715 00:36:54,781 --> 00:36:56,616 - The Los Angeles Innocence Project 716 00:36:56,716 --> 00:36:59,252 has filed a motion asking for, I believe, 717 00:36:59,352 --> 00:37:01,388 17 items to be DNA tested. 718 00:37:01,488 --> 00:37:03,223 A couple of those items are associated 719 00:37:03,323 --> 00:37:05,625 with the Medina burglary, a burned van that 720 00:37:05,725 --> 00:37:08,194 was found about a mile from Laci's home 721 00:37:08,294 --> 00:37:09,629 the day after she went missing. 722 00:37:09,729 --> 00:37:12,699 And 11 of those items were recovered either with 723 00:37:12,799 --> 00:37:14,601 or near Laci and Conner's bodies. 724 00:37:14,701 --> 00:37:17,303 - We've got this other narrative going on 725 00:37:17,404 --> 00:37:19,673 that has been going on since that week, 726 00:37:19,773 --> 00:37:21,675 a burglary across the street that happened 727 00:37:21,775 --> 00:37:23,243 around the same time that she was supposed 728 00:37:23,343 --> 00:37:24,611 to go out for that walk. 729 00:37:24,711 --> 00:37:26,513 - They wanna find out if a van that was found 730 00:37:26,613 --> 00:37:28,314 torched near the Modesto Airport 731 00:37:28,415 --> 00:37:30,250 is connected to the burglary. 732 00:37:30,350 --> 00:37:32,485 Inside, investigators discovered a mattress 733 00:37:32,585 --> 00:37:34,554 with stains confirmed to be blood. 734 00:37:34,654 --> 00:37:36,556 The Innocence Project wants to conduct 735 00:37:36,656 --> 00:37:38,758 new DNA tests on those samples. 736 00:37:38,858 --> 00:37:40,493 Could it be Laci Peterson's blood? 737 00:37:40,593 --> 00:37:43,663 [inquisitive music] 738 00:37:43,763 --> 00:37:46,299 - I think with the filing of these motions, 739 00:37:46,399 --> 00:37:49,369 the public has a much better view of what happened 740 00:37:49,469 --> 00:37:50,537 when Laci went missing. 741 00:37:50,637 --> 00:37:52,872 A lot of this information wasn't public 742 00:37:52,972 --> 00:37:54,641 until these filings. 743 00:37:54,741 --> 00:37:56,976 - I think there's enough evidence 744 00:37:57,077 --> 00:37:59,245 that it's probable that... 745 00:37:59,346 --> 00:38:01,815 that someone else may have committed the crime. 746 00:38:01,915 --> 00:38:04,551 - The Peterson family credits Mike Gudgell, 747 00:38:04,651 --> 00:38:07,354 a journalist who used to work for ABC News, 748 00:38:07,454 --> 00:38:09,723 with tracking down new evidence. 749 00:38:09,823 --> 00:38:14,861 - I'd been doubted by my friends and family for years. 750 00:38:14,961 --> 00:38:17,097 Having it validated was an important moment 751 00:38:17,197 --> 00:38:20,600 and sort of the arc of my commitment to this. 752 00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:22,369 Ultimately is about injustice, 753 00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:24,137 and not just for Scott... for Laci too. 754 00:38:24,237 --> 00:38:27,907 And the Los Angeles Innocence Project efforts are important. 755 00:38:28,008 --> 00:38:30,810 They have substance and they need to be taken seriously. 756 00:38:32,746 --> 00:38:34,948 - It is clear that they believe 757 00:38:35,048 --> 00:38:36,883 that the Medina burglary 758 00:38:36,983 --> 00:38:40,487 had a connection to Laci Peterson's disappearance. 759 00:38:40,587 --> 00:38:43,390 They're not necessarily stating that the individuals 760 00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:44,791 who were convicted of the burglary 761 00:38:44,891 --> 00:38:47,560 are the ones who committed the crime, 762 00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:50,196 but that there's a larger web of individuals 763 00:38:50,296 --> 00:38:55,602 who may have been the ones involved in her disappearance. 764 00:38:55,702 --> 00:38:58,805 - It's a little overwhelming to look at the evidence 765 00:38:58,905 --> 00:39:02,542 in this case and realize how solvable this crime is. 766 00:39:02,642 --> 00:39:06,212 - To have an innocence organization take his case, 767 00:39:06,312 --> 00:39:10,850 I think, really speaks to the fact that Scott is innocent. 768 00:39:17,490 --> 00:39:20,760 - It would be impossible for me to acknowledge 769 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:23,797 and thank everyone that is responsible for bringing 770 00:39:23,897 --> 00:39:27,500 this case to the successful conclusion that it did. 771 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:28,868 But there are... 772 00:39:37,677 --> 00:39:40,513 - Well, if there was any doubt, I would be shouting it. 773 00:39:40,613 --> 00:39:41,648 I would be making noise about it. 774 00:39:41,748 --> 00:39:44,751 But nothing has changed in these 20 years since 775 00:39:44,851 --> 00:39:47,954 that makes me have any doubt that we got the right guy. 776 00:39:48,054 --> 00:39:50,623 If you can imagine a family that's pretty tore up 777 00:39:50,724 --> 00:39:52,792 and they probably have this nagging belief 778 00:39:52,892 --> 00:39:55,362 that their daughter, stepdaughter or what have you, 779 00:39:55,462 --> 00:39:57,030 is dead... 780 00:39:57,130 --> 00:40:00,700 Anybody that has a thought that there's a claim of innocence 781 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,936 on Scott's part doesn't know the case as well 782 00:40:03,036 --> 00:40:04,971 as those of us that worked it did. 783 00:40:07,907 --> 00:40:11,411 - Peterson's new legal team believes he may be innocent. 784 00:40:11,511 --> 00:40:14,447 - This is how our criminal justice system works, 785 00:40:14,547 --> 00:40:18,785 to be sure that we have the right person in custody. 786 00:40:18,885 --> 00:40:20,854 - The LA Innocence Project taking up this fight 787 00:40:20,954 --> 00:40:22,989 at this time, not totally unexpected. 788 00:40:24,791 --> 00:40:26,860 - This isn't nothing new. 789 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,695 I mean, this has been talked about. 790 00:40:28,795 --> 00:40:31,398 This is...I don't have a reaction. 791 00:40:31,498 --> 00:40:32,832 I believe this is bullshit. 792 00:40:32,932 --> 00:40:35,769 There is absolutely no reasonable doubt. 793 00:40:35,869 --> 00:40:38,905 None. He did it. Jury got it right. 794 00:40:39,005 --> 00:40:40,940 - If there was any doubt, I would be shouting it. 795 00:40:41,041 --> 00:40:42,709 I would be making noise about it. 796 00:40:42,809 --> 00:40:44,577 I have no doubt about Scott's involvement 797 00:40:44,678 --> 00:40:46,413 and the fact that he was the killer in it, 798 00:40:46,513 --> 00:40:47,547 because there's just too much 799 00:40:47,647 --> 00:40:49,516 circumstantial evidence to ignore. 800 00:40:49,616 --> 00:40:51,017 From the beginning of this investigation, 801 00:40:51,117 --> 00:40:53,920 Scott was the focus for Al Brocchini and I. 802 00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:56,456 - There was blood on the duvet. 803 00:40:56,556 --> 00:40:58,124 It turned out to be his blood. 804 00:40:58,224 --> 00:40:59,659 In the end of the bed, 805 00:40:59,759 --> 00:41:01,895 it looked like something laid there. 806 00:41:01,995 --> 00:41:03,663 - So this could have been a situation where 807 00:41:03,763 --> 00:41:06,433 maybe he strangled or smothered Laci 808 00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:07,667 on the end of the bed there. 809 00:41:07,767 --> 00:41:09,703 She scratched him during the struggle 810 00:41:09,803 --> 00:41:11,404 and then that blood got on the comforter. 811 00:41:11,504 --> 00:41:13,006 - Scott did run to the neighbors, 812 00:41:13,106 --> 00:41:16,042 but the first neighbor he ran to, he told them, 813 00:41:16,142 --> 00:41:18,144 I've been golfing all day. 814 00:41:18,244 --> 00:41:19,446 Have you seen Laci? 815 00:41:19,546 --> 00:41:21,414 Then he changed it to fishing. 816 00:41:21,514 --> 00:41:22,615 - We knew he'd been fishing. 817 00:41:22,716 --> 00:41:24,084 There was saltwater in the boat. 818 00:41:24,184 --> 00:41:27,487 But his fishing rod was more of a freshwater fishing rod. 819 00:41:27,587 --> 00:41:30,056 And the lure packages hadn't even been opened. 820 00:41:30,156 --> 00:41:32,659 - And so that made us a little bit more suspicious 821 00:41:32,759 --> 00:41:34,494 of what he was up to. 822 00:41:34,594 --> 00:41:36,629 - The timeline suggests that there were witnesses 823 00:41:36,730 --> 00:41:38,998 that saw Laci on the morning of the 24th 824 00:41:39,099 --> 00:41:42,836 after Scott left for his fishing trip. 825 00:41:42,936 --> 00:41:45,505 - Anybody that said they saw Laci 826 00:41:45,605 --> 00:41:48,608 walking the dog got interviewed. 827 00:41:48,708 --> 00:41:51,845 - Eyewitness testimony is very subjective. 828 00:41:51,945 --> 00:41:54,014 It would be very easy for a witness 829 00:41:54,114 --> 00:41:57,083 to wanna be helpful, to claim later 830 00:41:57,183 --> 00:41:59,753 that they saw Laci, when actually they didn't, 831 00:41:59,853 --> 00:42:01,021 it was a mistaken identity thing. 832 00:42:01,121 --> 00:42:03,089 Or, more sinister, people who wanted to get 833 00:42:03,189 --> 00:42:05,492 involved in this because it was high profile, 834 00:42:05,592 --> 00:42:06,993 it was in the news, and everything like that. 835 00:42:07,093 --> 00:42:09,062 And we had a few things like that that popped up. 836 00:42:09,162 --> 00:42:11,865 But in addition to that, as the case unfolded, 837 00:42:11,965 --> 00:42:14,367 there was information from her doctor 838 00:42:14,467 --> 00:42:18,071 that she wasn't really in any condition to make a walk. 839 00:42:18,171 --> 00:42:21,041 - One of the working theories is that Laci Peterson came out 840 00:42:21,141 --> 00:42:24,110 of this house right here, 523 Covina, 841 00:42:24,210 --> 00:42:26,713 and there was a burglary in progress 842 00:42:26,813 --> 00:42:28,682 right across the street. 843 00:42:28,782 --> 00:42:30,083 - When it comes to the theory 844 00:42:30,183 --> 00:42:32,919 of Laci being abducted by the burglars, 845 00:42:33,019 --> 00:42:34,988 people saw vans in the neighborhood. 846 00:42:35,088 --> 00:42:37,057 They saw women walking dogs in the neighborhood. 847 00:42:37,157 --> 00:42:40,694 But nobody saw Laci being abducted, making noise, 848 00:42:40,794 --> 00:42:42,829 screaming, confronting somebody, 849 00:42:42,929 --> 00:42:44,764 having an argument in the street. 850 00:42:44,864 --> 00:42:47,033 - Todd and Pearce, they alibied out. 851 00:42:47,133 --> 00:42:49,002 We went to, where were you on Christmas? 852 00:42:49,102 --> 00:42:50,970 Well, they were eating dinner with Mom and Grandma. 853 00:42:51,071 --> 00:42:53,106 It was investigated thoroughly. 854 00:42:53,206 --> 00:42:55,642 - It's rare that a guy who's doing burglaries 855 00:42:55,742 --> 00:42:57,043 to source a narcotics habit is gonna 856 00:42:57,143 --> 00:42:59,612 turn into a violent offender and abduct a girl 857 00:42:59,713 --> 00:43:01,114 and keep her hostage. 858 00:43:01,214 --> 00:43:03,016 And you have to remember that a lot of property 859 00:43:03,116 --> 00:43:04,951 was recovered from the burglary, 860 00:43:05,051 --> 00:43:07,120 and of all this property that was inventoried and photoed 861 00:43:07,220 --> 00:43:10,123 and examined, there was not one piece of property there 862 00:43:10,223 --> 00:43:11,825 that belonged to Laci. 863 00:43:11,925 --> 00:43:14,127 That's why, to me, the thought of the burglars 864 00:43:14,227 --> 00:43:16,629 being responsible for her disappearance 865 00:43:16,730 --> 00:43:18,898 is pretty much fantasy. 866 00:43:18,998 --> 00:43:22,569 - We had the... the Berkeley receipt. 867 00:43:22,669 --> 00:43:24,971 On that day, we have the timestamp. 868 00:43:25,071 --> 00:43:26,906 We know that it's from that marina. 869 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,852 They just gave everyone, you know, a way to implicate you. 870 00:43:38,952 --> 00:43:43,089 - Half of America knew where this man was on Christmas Eve. 871 00:43:43,189 --> 00:43:45,091 If someone else committed this crime, 872 00:43:45,191 --> 00:43:47,660 where they would deposit the bodies 873 00:43:47,761 --> 00:43:50,030 is in the San Francisco Bay. 874 00:43:50,130 --> 00:43:52,665 If you want to assure that you aren't gonna be convicted 875 00:43:52,766 --> 00:43:54,901 and Scott Peterson will be. 876 00:43:55,001 --> 00:43:57,637 - If the burglars were gonna frame Scott, 877 00:43:57,737 --> 00:43:59,873 they're not gonna weight the body down and hide it. 878 00:43:59,973 --> 00:44:01,508 You're gonna want it to come up. 879 00:44:01,608 --> 00:44:04,944 Wouldn't they just put her body right on the beach? 880 00:44:05,045 --> 00:44:06,646 - They don't have a boat. 881 00:44:06,746 --> 00:44:08,882 They don't have a truck that can pull a boat. 882 00:44:08,982 --> 00:44:11,151 They have no way to get to the bay. 883 00:44:11,251 --> 00:44:13,753 - I guess it's possible, just like anything else is. 884 00:44:13,853 --> 00:44:16,122 But it's also possible that Jennifer Lopez 885 00:44:16,222 --> 00:44:18,591 is gonna call me after she leaves Ben Affleck 886 00:44:18,692 --> 00:44:20,026 and wanna have a date. 887 00:44:20,126 --> 00:44:21,961 - The Modesto Police Department did 888 00:44:22,062 --> 00:44:24,964 a phenomenal job in this case. 889 00:44:25,065 --> 00:44:26,599 - I feel pretty confident about the case 890 00:44:26,700 --> 00:44:30,270 that was put together by our team and especially the way 891 00:44:30,370 --> 00:44:33,173 it was presented to the jury by the prosecution. 892 00:44:33,273 --> 00:44:36,076 And can they do it again if they have to? 893 00:44:36,176 --> 00:44:37,677 I believe so. 894 00:44:37,777 --> 00:44:40,080 Now we've got this blood that needs to be tested, 895 00:44:40,180 --> 00:44:43,216 and my attitude on that is, test that evidence. 896 00:44:43,316 --> 00:44:45,151 And then you're gonna be able to show 897 00:44:45,251 --> 00:44:46,753 that it doesn't come back to anything 898 00:44:46,853 --> 00:44:49,155 to do with Laci or Scott. 899 00:44:49,255 --> 00:44:50,890 If we had the wrong guy in prison, 900 00:44:50,990 --> 00:44:52,726 we would wanna know about it. 901 00:45:11,745 --> 00:45:17,984 - Even 20 years after the conviction, 902 00:45:18,084 --> 00:45:22,422 you still have the detectives trying to justify 903 00:45:22,522 --> 00:45:24,858 or prove their case. 904 00:45:24,958 --> 00:45:26,760 The Los Angeles Innocence Project 905 00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:29,963 only takes cases for defendants 906 00:45:30,063 --> 00:45:33,767 who have a credible claim of innocence. 907 00:45:33,867 --> 00:45:36,636 The orange van may be the smoking gun, 908 00:45:36,736 --> 00:45:38,071 but no one can tell. 909 00:45:38,171 --> 00:45:40,040 We all have to wait for the DNA testing. 910 00:45:42,075 --> 00:45:44,044 - Convicted murderer Scott Peterson 911 00:45:44,144 --> 00:45:46,146 is in front of a judge today. 912 00:45:46,246 --> 00:45:50,250 - The next big hearing is on May 29th. 913 00:45:50,350 --> 00:45:54,554 And this is a crucial hearing because the court's 914 00:45:54,654 --> 00:45:59,025 gonna be deciding on a number of DNA testings. 915 00:45:59,125 --> 00:46:02,696 And we're hoping that the court approves, if not all, 916 00:46:02,796 --> 00:46:04,264 at least most of them. 917 00:46:04,364 --> 00:46:06,032 - Today's hearing could be the most crucial 918 00:46:06,132 --> 00:46:09,069 in the attempt to try and earn a new trial. 919 00:46:09,169 --> 00:46:13,840 - If Laci Peterson's DNA is on that mattress, 920 00:46:13,940 --> 00:46:17,010 that's gonna exonerate Scott Peterson. 921 00:46:22,048 --> 00:46:25,118 [suspenseful music] 922 00:46:25,218 --> 00:46:26,252 * * 923 00:46:26,353 --> 00:46:28,355 - A judge ruling is expected today. 924 00:46:28,455 --> 00:46:31,124 - A huge decision here for this judge 925 00:46:31,224 --> 00:46:33,326 to try to determine whether there can be 926 00:46:33,426 --> 00:46:36,196 new DNA testing done on these pieces of evidence. 927 00:46:36,296 --> 00:46:39,065 - A no to DNA testing could be a dagger 928 00:46:39,165 --> 00:46:40,834 to the LAIP's argument, 929 00:46:40,934 --> 00:46:44,137 but a yes to the testing could be a huge step forward 930 00:46:44,237 --> 00:46:46,306 in asking for a new trial. 931 00:47:19,005 --> 00:47:21,107 - Convicted murderer Scott Peterson 932 00:47:21,207 --> 00:47:23,443 appeared virtually in a Northern California courtroom 933 00:47:23,543 --> 00:47:27,013 as a judge denied nearly all DNA testing requests. 934 00:47:27,113 --> 00:47:30,016 - The judge mostly rejected Scott Peterson's request 935 00:47:30,116 --> 00:47:33,386 to test about 15 pieces of evidence, except for one. 936 00:47:33,486 --> 00:47:36,389 Peterson will be allowed to test a piece of duct tape 937 00:47:36,489 --> 00:47:39,059 that was found on his wife's body after it washed ashore. 938 00:47:39,159 --> 00:47:42,195 - Most people, including me, 939 00:47:42,295 --> 00:47:48,702 expected that the DNA testing requests would be granted. 940 00:47:48,802 --> 00:47:52,072 - Paula Mitchell, in her argument before the court, 941 00:47:52,172 --> 00:47:54,874 said, in all the years 942 00:47:54,974 --> 00:47:57,844 that I've been asking for DNA testing, 943 00:47:57,944 --> 00:48:00,380 I've never had this kind of resistance. 944 00:48:00,613 --> 00:48:03,450 - That, in itself, speaks volumes, if you ask me. 945 00:48:14,361 --> 00:48:18,098 - The DNA on the duct tape on the pants are gonna be tested. 946 00:48:18,198 --> 00:48:21,901 - If someone else's DNA is on duct tape 947 00:48:22,002 --> 00:48:23,503 that's adhered to Laci's body, 948 00:48:23,603 --> 00:48:26,239 that indicates someone else is culpable. 949 00:48:26,339 --> 00:48:28,408 That doesn't get Scott a new trial. 950 00:48:28,508 --> 00:48:29,943 That releases Scott. 951 00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:34,347 - It's the initial stages. 952 00:48:34,447 --> 00:48:36,316 This is not the end of it. It's just the beginning. 953 00:48:36,416 --> 00:48:38,985 And at least we've got one win. 954 00:48:39,085 --> 00:48:40,854 They still have their discovery motion 955 00:48:40,954 --> 00:48:42,856 that they can argue that can bring 956 00:48:42,956 --> 00:48:45,058 additional information to light. 957 00:48:45,158 --> 00:48:47,427 Even if you think the person is a monster, 958 00:48:47,527 --> 00:48:49,396 under our constitution, 959 00:48:49,496 --> 00:48:52,032 he or she is entitled to a fair trial, 960 00:48:52,132 --> 00:48:54,968 something Scott Peterson never got. 961 00:48:56,236 --> 00:49:00,473 - Criminal defense is inherently unfair, 962 00:49:00,573 --> 00:49:04,010 simply because the state has all the resources. 963 00:49:04,110 --> 00:49:06,613 - I think most people think that the courts 964 00:49:06,713 --> 00:49:08,248 will get it right. 965 00:49:08,348 --> 00:49:11,151 But the problem is, when the courts don't get it right, 966 00:49:11,251 --> 00:49:13,887 it is incredibly hard to fix. 967 00:49:13,987 --> 00:49:16,556 - I don't think you can honestly say, 968 00:49:16,656 --> 00:49:18,992 in looking at this case, even if you have questions about it, 969 00:49:19,092 --> 00:49:21,094 that this jury got it wrong. 970 00:49:21,194 --> 00:49:23,229 The jury basically mirrors 971 00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:26,332 what most people in this country believe 972 00:49:26,433 --> 00:49:27,500 who have looked into this case, 973 00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,070 and that is that Scott Peterson did it. 974 00:49:30,170 --> 00:49:32,305 - There is no evidence of manner of death. 975 00:49:32,405 --> 00:49:34,074 There is no evidence of cause of death. 976 00:49:34,174 --> 00:49:37,410 There is no evidence of a crime scene anywhere. 977 00:49:37,510 --> 00:49:40,580 There isn't any evidence that Scott Peterson 978 00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,351 engaged in any violence involving his wife. 979 00:49:44,451 --> 00:49:47,821 When you know that the jury ultimately learned all of that 980 00:49:47,921 --> 00:49:51,024 and still convicted him, you have to ask yourself, 981 00:49:51,124 --> 00:49:52,225 what's going on here? 982 00:49:52,325 --> 00:49:54,227 And that's where, I believe, 983 00:49:54,327 --> 00:49:56,996 the media plays a significant role. 984 00:49:57,097 --> 00:49:58,565 - We've been following what appears to be movement 985 00:49:58,665 --> 00:50:00,233 in the Laci Peterson case. 986 00:50:00,333 --> 00:50:03,536 - All of us were so saturated with media attention 987 00:50:03,636 --> 00:50:08,308 surrounding this case, all virtually one-sided, 988 00:50:08,408 --> 00:50:10,543 all against Scott Peterson, 989 00:50:10,643 --> 00:50:13,013 that I believe it became almost impossible 990 00:50:13,113 --> 00:50:15,215 to make a rational decision. 991 00:50:15,315 --> 00:50:18,251 - When ratings speak, 992 00:50:18,351 --> 00:50:21,021 when people realize that 993 00:50:21,121 --> 00:50:24,357 there's a voracious appetite for a story, 994 00:50:24,457 --> 00:50:27,994 they're going to just rev it up. 995 00:50:28,094 --> 00:50:30,063 And the more the media revved it up, 996 00:50:30,163 --> 00:50:31,698 the more obsession there was. 997 00:50:31,798 --> 00:50:32,732 - A Fox News alert. 998 00:50:32,832 --> 00:50:34,601 A major development in the case of Scott Peterson. 999 00:50:34,701 --> 00:50:36,603 - He was dubbed the Most Hated Man in America, 1000 00:50:36,703 --> 00:50:38,304 convicted of murdering his wife, Laci. 1001 00:50:38,405 --> 00:50:40,006 - For the first time in many years, 1002 00:50:40,106 --> 00:50:44,044 we're hearing from the family of Laci Peterson. 1003 00:50:44,144 --> 00:50:47,147 - This story was a huge cottage industry. 1004 00:50:47,247 --> 00:50:49,416 "The National Enquirer" never had it so good. 1005 00:50:49,516 --> 00:50:51,685 - The families of both Laci and Scott Peterson 1006 00:50:51,785 --> 00:50:53,486 watching in court this week. 1007 00:50:53,586 --> 00:50:58,024 - People think that there's some conspiracy as to 1008 00:50:58,124 --> 00:51:01,194 what we see in the mainstream media. 1009 00:51:01,294 --> 00:51:02,228 Well, here's what we see. 1010 00:51:02,328 --> 00:51:04,431 We see what people want to see 1011 00:51:04,531 --> 00:51:06,566 because that's how they make money. 1012 00:51:06,666 --> 00:51:09,269 - Friends and family of this young woman, Laci Peterson. 1013 00:51:09,369 --> 00:51:11,237 - Careers were made on it. 1014 00:51:11,338 --> 00:51:13,573 Within months, I was working at CNN 1015 00:51:13,673 --> 00:51:15,575 and had been a national reporter since. 1016 00:51:15,675 --> 00:51:18,545 In Modesto, Ted Rowlands, KTVU Channel 2 News. 1017 00:51:18,645 --> 00:51:21,348 - Nancy Grace was a reoccurring guest. 1018 00:51:21,448 --> 00:51:24,050 Her career absolutely exploded. 1019 00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:26,553 A lot of lives were changed 1020 00:51:26,653 --> 00:51:31,191 because of the death of Laci and Conner Peterson. 1021 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,496 - A baby boy, umbilical cord still attached. 1022 00:51:36,596 --> 00:51:38,264 - There was a lot of hatred. 1023 00:51:38,365 --> 00:51:42,102 There was a lot of pretrial coverage 1024 00:51:42,202 --> 00:51:44,604 and a conviction in the media. 1025 00:51:44,704 --> 00:51:47,574 But otherwise, as far as evidence, 1026 00:51:47,674 --> 00:51:49,676 at least I didn't see any evidence. 1027 00:51:49,776 --> 00:51:55,248 - Twenty years later, you have two very compelling stories, 1028 00:51:55,348 --> 00:51:56,616 circumstantial as they may be. 1029 00:51:56,716 --> 00:51:59,419 If you think Scott Peterson is guilty, 1030 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:04,491 yeah, there's a ton of evidence on your side. 1031 00:52:04,591 --> 00:52:07,527 If you think Scott Peterson is not guilty, 1032 00:52:07,627 --> 00:52:10,130 there's some compelling evidence on your side. 1033 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:12,632 The problem is, there's no black and white, 1034 00:52:12,732 --> 00:52:15,835 here's why we think he did it or didn't do it. 1035 00:52:15,935 --> 00:52:17,404 There's nothing concrete. 1036 00:52:17,504 --> 00:52:20,106 And that's what the LA Innocence Project, 1037 00:52:20,206 --> 00:52:21,541 I guess, is after. 1038 00:52:21,641 --> 00:52:23,677 - Journalism is all about finding the truth 1039 00:52:23,777 --> 00:52:28,348 and holding our public servants accountable. 1040 00:52:28,448 --> 00:52:31,418 At some point, law enforcement has to engage in this. 1041 00:52:31,518 --> 00:52:33,319 It has to open their minds a little further. 1042 00:52:33,420 --> 00:52:35,288 - If they go to another trial, I'm not gonna like it 1043 00:52:35,388 --> 00:52:37,657 because it's gonna disrupt a lot of people's lives. 1044 00:52:37,757 --> 00:52:40,093 And the big thing for me is what it does 1045 00:52:40,193 --> 00:52:42,295 to Sharon, Amy, Brent. 1046 00:52:42,395 --> 00:52:44,164 When they got the verdict, they were probably 1047 00:52:44,264 --> 00:52:45,398 on the attitude that, oh, this is all done 1048 00:52:45,498 --> 00:52:46,566 and we can resume our lives. 1049 00:52:46,666 --> 00:52:48,668 But no, it doesn't work that way. 1050 00:52:48,768 --> 00:52:51,805 - People never come to terms with something 1051 00:52:51,905 --> 00:52:53,573 like a murder in their family. 1052 00:52:55,608 --> 00:52:58,712 There's no such thing as closure. 1053 00:52:58,812 --> 00:53:01,514 It's something that haunts you and you live with 1054 00:53:01,614 --> 00:53:03,616 for the rest of your life. 1055 00:53:05,685 --> 00:53:09,389 - It's been 22 years since Laci went missing. 1056 00:53:09,489 --> 00:53:15,362 So really, this tragedy is... 1057 00:53:15,462 --> 00:53:18,832 it's been part of our lives for a very long time. 1058 00:53:18,932 --> 00:53:21,167 My kids grew up with it. 1059 00:53:21,267 --> 00:53:24,204 My nieces and nephews grew up with it. 1060 00:53:24,304 --> 00:53:28,441 We've lived with this injustice droning 1061 00:53:28,541 --> 00:53:30,543 in the background of life. 1062 00:53:30,643 --> 00:53:34,647 Our biggest hope is that we not only 1063 00:53:34,748 --> 00:53:39,486 are able to free Scott, but ultimately find out 1064 00:53:39,586 --> 00:53:43,356 what did happen to Laci and Conner. 1065 00:53:43,456 --> 00:53:45,125 We need both. 1066 00:53:45,225 --> 00:53:48,261 And Laci deserves both. 1067 00:53:50,363 --> 00:53:52,532 - Her name is Laci Peterson, 1068 00:53:52,632 --> 00:53:55,835 and she has disappeared without a trace. 1069 00:53:55,935 --> 00:53:58,304 - Are you in any way connected to Laci's disappearance? 1070 00:53:58,405 --> 00:54:01,274 - I had nothing to do with Laci's disappearance. 1071 00:54:01,374 --> 00:54:03,343 - Somebody has Laci. - Authorities are baffled. 1072 00:54:03,443 --> 00:54:05,445 - A brown van could back up 1073 00:54:05,545 --> 00:54:07,347 a defense theory Laci was abducted. 1074 00:54:07,447 --> 00:54:10,550 - $1,000 for someone that leads us to the persons 1075 00:54:10,650 --> 00:54:12,285 responsible for the burglary. 1076 00:54:17,857 --> 00:54:19,225 - We were shocked to find out that 1077 00:54:19,325 --> 00:54:20,527 he'd been having an affair. 1078 00:54:20,627 --> 00:54:22,562 - I'm only left to question what else he may be hiding. 1079 00:54:22,662 --> 00:54:25,598 - A female adult body was discovered late this morning 1080 00:54:25,699 --> 00:54:27,634 by a woman walking the shoreline. 1081 00:54:27,734 --> 00:54:29,269 - Murder suspect Scott Peterson 1082 00:54:29,369 --> 00:54:32,205 had $10,000 in cash when he was arrested 1083 00:54:32,305 --> 00:54:33,473 near the Mexican border. 1084 00:54:33,573 --> 00:54:36,543 - A crowd of 250 taunted and heckled him, 1085 00:54:36,643 --> 00:54:38,311 calling him a murderer. 1086 00:54:38,411 --> 00:54:40,347 - Peterson has been found guilty of first- 1087 00:54:40,447 --> 00:54:41,648 and second-degree murder. 1088 00:54:41,748 --> 00:54:42,682 [cheering] 1089 00:54:42,782 --> 00:54:44,617 - Whoo-hoo! That's it! I'm happy! 1090 00:54:44,718 --> 00:54:46,319 - The judge in Scott Peterson's murder trial 1091 00:54:46,419 --> 00:54:48,221 sentenced him, calling him cruel, 1092 00:54:48,321 --> 00:54:49,522 uncaring, and heartless. 1093 00:54:49,622 --> 00:54:50,824 - Scott got what he deserved. 1094 00:54:50,924 --> 00:54:52,926 - Key questions remain unanswered 1095 00:54:53,026 --> 00:54:57,697 and have left some wondering, will we ever get to the truth? 1096 00:55:00,467 --> 00:55:03,336 [somber music] 1097 00:55:03,436 --> 00:55:04,704 * * 1098 00:55:10,977 --> 00:55:16,316 - Every moment is so real, is so tactile and still there. 1099 00:55:16,416 --> 00:55:18,651 And the smells and the lighting and the sound 1100 00:55:18,752 --> 00:55:24,791 of when I say goodbye to Laci, I mean, my family was gone. 1101 00:55:24,891 --> 00:55:28,862 I drove away, expecting to come back that afternoon 1102 00:55:28,962 --> 00:55:30,730 and have our wonderful Christmas together 1103 00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:32,632 after we both had, you know, fun mornings. 1104 00:55:32,732 --> 00:55:35,602 And no, they were gone. 1105 00:55:35,702 --> 00:55:40,507 And it's still very, very present. 1106 00:55:40,607 --> 00:55:42,776 But there are certainly times that I become a wreck. 1107 00:55:46,413 --> 00:55:48,415 Excuse me. 1108 00:55:48,515 --> 00:55:52,552 You know, I try not to be too emotional 1109 00:55:52,652 --> 00:55:55,221 when I'm out here in the day room of the prison. 1110 00:55:55,321 --> 00:56:02,395 * * 87005

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