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the people are represented by two separate
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yet equally important groups:
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The police, who investigate crime
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and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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MAN:
Getting permits
was hard enough.
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Construction materials
behind the property line.
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You got benefit tickets?
Circus, maybe?
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How many you want me to buy?
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Hey, is he offering
us a bribe?
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What the hell are you
trying to do to me?
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Come here!
Hey, you cops!
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We punctured through
this sub-partition wall.
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One of the guys freaks.
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Sees this.
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COP:
Could be an animal.
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Yeah.
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An animal that walks
on two legs and talks.
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Call it in, Reni.
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Now.
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Young-- eight, nine.
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What happened?
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The kid crawl in and fall?
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Massive
skull fracture.
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It doesn't
sound like a fall.
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Yeah, more likely hit...
and not a love tap.
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So, boy? Girl? What?
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Male. My guess:
Nine years old.
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He had a "J.F.K.
For President" button
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on his jacket.
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The kid has been
inside that wall
for 31 years.
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30 years?
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Give or take.
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Who kills
a nine-year-old?
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Kids fighting,
something happens.
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Some pervert waving
his flag? Who knows?
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When it's dead kids,
it's usually mom or pop.
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Before '74 that building
was owned by a corporation.
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Out of business,
no rent roll.
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You want to run
with this?
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Missing persons?
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Worth a shot.
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Take hand lotion.
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Paper cuts.
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No computers before '74.
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All missing children,
1958 to 1964.
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That's a lot
of kids.
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You think
that's a lot?
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Take any two years
from the '80s--
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that many
and then some.
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What happened
to them?
I tell you one thing.
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They didn't fly
out the window
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with Tinkerbell
and Peter Pan.
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"Seven years old.
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"June, 1962, disappeared.
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P.S. 431, Staten Island."
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Oh, God.
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( groans )
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Time to call
the psychics.
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Keep reading.
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After six hours
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I don't even know
what we're looking for.
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Do you want a Danish
or a cruller?
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You look at these
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you think people
misplace their kids
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like they lose umbrellas.
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Get me a Danish,
strawberry.
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Bingo!
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( door opens )
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"Male, eight years old.
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"Reported missing
October 6, 1962.
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Keegan, Thomas."
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Lives across the street.
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596 East 84th Street.
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You got dental records?
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Who were the detectives
on the case?
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Sergeant Dominick McFadden
and Detective Joe Shelby.
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Terrific.
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It's an old case of yours.
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Tony Dececco
I saw in the papers.
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His brother got whacked.
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Missing child, 1962.
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Keegan, eight years old.
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Brown hair, green eyes.
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4'4", scar over his left eye.
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Fell on the concrete steps
when he was six.
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It sounds like
you just read
the file.
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You ever do
a missing kid?
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My partner Shelby
retired to Florida.
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Once, twice a year,
he used to call about it.
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Couldn't let it alone.
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Good detective.
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Prostate cancer.
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Only 68.
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Case alive again?
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We found the kid.
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LOGAN:
Bones in the basement
of a building.
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Same block
the kid lived on.
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Yeah, we figured somebody
in the neighborhood.
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You got a gay couple
in the file?
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My notes should
have been in there.
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Two guys-- 30s, 40s.
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They lived on the block.
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Connors, Conway,
something like that.
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The other guy...
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some German name.
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Couldn't make the case?
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No.
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His father was dead.
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You find the mother?
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Yeah, she was a teacher.
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High school, West Side.
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Teachers now,
they take early retirement.
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20 years, move to the house in
Woodstock, never look back.
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Keegan, Beverly.
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Doris.
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Doris. Okay.
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Keegan, Doris.
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Retired last year,
full pension.
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Address?
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718 Penrose
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Fort Lee, New Jersey.
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When Tommy disappeared
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that was hard,
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but do you know
what was even harder?
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When I gave up hope.
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Every once in a while
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I figure out how old he'd be.
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What would he be doing?
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Married, maybe.
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Kids of his own.
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My grandchildren.
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Do you remember
who lived at 583?
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It's been a long time.
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About that day...?
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I was getting
my master's degree.
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I left class.
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I went to get Tommy.
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He was in the schoolyard.
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He said he was going
to play with his friends.
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I didn't give him a kiss.
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I didn't want to embarrass him.
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I never saw him again.
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Did anybody walk him home
that day?
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Hospitals,
and all the kids' parents
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the police... I called.
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It took me years to move.
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I wanted to be there.
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He might come home.
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Mrs. Keegan...
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the two men
who lived on that block...?
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The ones the police suspected?
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Did they do it?
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Do you remember
their names?
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No.
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I thought I'd never forget them,
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but after a while I realized
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if you keep remembering,
you can't live.
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LOGAN:
Yeah, yeah.
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Thanks.
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No reverse phone directories
before '65.
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If we're gonna find out who
lived in that building
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we're going to have to knock
on a lot of doors.
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Yeah, you have an address?
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Thank you.
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Okay.
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1962, Con Ed had one account
in the building.
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Now there's a different address.
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Still active.
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Carl Lawler, Perry Street.
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It was our first apartment.
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God, it was small.
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Barely room for a bed.
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The police came that night.
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We were at work.
We couldn't tell them anything.
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Who else lived
in the building?
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CARL:
Nice couple
in the duplex.
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They had
a daughter.
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You knew them, honey.
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Yeah, he was in insurance.
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Messimer, Catherine Messimer.
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I don't remember his name.
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What about the other
apartment on your floor?
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Uh... Dorfman and Conover.
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Not married?
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Two men, a couple.
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We wondered, but we
thought it was awful to
suspect them at first.
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Have you seen them since?
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Harold House, the publisher--
that's where they worked.
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Ed Conover was an editor.
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They used to bring us
books sometimes...
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I don't know
how you'd find them now.
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They'd be, what... 70, 75?
70...
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LOGAN:
It's like chasing ghosts.
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30 years, people disappear.
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Dorfman, one of the two guys,
died nine years ago.
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Conover left;
publisher's got no record.
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A lot of Conovers in
the book, but not our Ed.
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Yellow sheets?
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CERRETA:
You were hoping maybe
for armed robbery?
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Nothing.
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Find the other couple.
Maybe they know.
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LOGAN:
Messimer.
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No current listing.
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Our friends
at the phone company--
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let's go see them.
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LOGAN:
Plaza five.
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00:10:00,167 --> 00:10:01,600
Butterfield eight.
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00:10:01,602 --> 00:10:04,135
Elizabeth Taylor
and Eddie Fisher.
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00:10:04,137 --> 00:10:07,138
Numbers still had names
in those days, huh?
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My parents
were Lexington two.
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00:10:09,142 --> 00:10:11,142
My uncle
was Chelsea three.
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Here's '67 and '68.
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00:10:12,713 --> 00:10:14,212
Thank you.
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00:10:15,382 --> 00:10:17,382
Messimer, Thad.
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Still lived there in '65.
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00:10:20,153 --> 00:10:22,220
Not in '67.
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391 Central Park West.
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00:10:24,992 --> 00:10:27,626
Messimers gone ages ago.
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00:10:27,628 --> 00:10:30,829
What did the Lawlers say--
he worked in insurance?
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00:10:30,831 --> 00:10:32,163
Great, there's only
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00:10:32,165 --> 00:10:34,299
a couple thousand
insurance agents.
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00:10:34,301 --> 00:10:36,267
Their daughter,
she could tell you.
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00:10:36,269 --> 00:10:38,303
They gave her
their apartment.
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00:10:38,305 --> 00:10:39,371
Ms. Atkinson, 14a.
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Atkinson
is my ex-husband's name.
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00:10:41,742 --> 00:10:42,841
I kept it.
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00:10:42,843 --> 00:10:45,310
You grew up
on East 84th Street.
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Yes.
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This little boy,
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Tommy Keegan,
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do you remember him?
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For years after he disappeared,
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00:11:01,662 --> 00:11:05,263
I was afraid to go outside
without my parents.
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00:11:05,265 --> 00:11:06,665
Eight years old
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and still holding
a grown-up's hand.
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00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:14,406
You okay?
239
00:11:14,408 --> 00:11:16,241
Um, yeah, I'm fine.
240
00:11:16,243 --> 00:11:17,709
Uh, excuse me.
241
00:11:17,711 --> 00:11:19,778
I need a glass of water.
242
00:11:25,252 --> 00:11:26,885
( glass breaking )
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Honestly, no.
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00:11:46,239 --> 00:11:49,374
Just looking at the picture,
I felt sick
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thinking how Tommy died.
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Everybody assumed...
I mean
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it was logical
he was murdered.
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Wasn't he?
249
00:12:00,821 --> 00:12:03,488
Why are you
asking about him now?
250
00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:07,492
We found his remains
in the basement of the
building you grew up in.
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Oh, my God.
252
00:12:08,895 --> 00:12:11,463
Can you remember
anything
253
00:12:11,465 --> 00:12:12,497
about that day?
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00:12:12,499 --> 00:12:14,766
The police talked to me
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00:12:14,768 --> 00:12:16,768
after he disappeared.
256
00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:19,471
We must have played together.
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00:12:19,473 --> 00:12:21,339
I'm sure I saw him,
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but it's very long ago.
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CERRETA:
Did you know
the two men
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who lived on the fourth floor
of that building?
261
00:12:28,215 --> 00:12:30,515
Their names were Dorfman
and Conover.
262
00:12:30,517 --> 00:12:33,985
I'm sorry...
263
00:12:35,355 --> 00:12:39,390
I think
they gave Tommy some books.
264
00:12:39,392 --> 00:12:41,459
Do you think your
parents might remember?
265
00:12:41,461 --> 00:12:46,998
They moved out of the city to
Harrison; they bought a house.
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00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,300
In the basement?
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00:12:49,302 --> 00:12:51,302
No wonder she fainted.
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CATHERINE:
Maybe we should
call her.
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00:12:55,208 --> 00:12:57,809
It was terrible.
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00:12:57,811 --> 00:13:00,545
You realized it could be
your own child.
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00:13:00,547 --> 00:13:03,281
Yes.
272
00:13:03,283 --> 00:13:04,849
The couple upstairs...
273
00:13:04,851 --> 00:13:06,284
Oh, the Lawlers.
274
00:13:06,286 --> 00:13:09,888
Carl and...
what was her name?
275
00:13:09,890 --> 00:13:10,889
Julia? Jane?
276
00:13:10,891 --> 00:13:12,824
The other couple.
277
00:13:12,826 --> 00:13:14,259
In those days
278
00:13:14,261 --> 00:13:16,261
we didn't call them
a couple.
279
00:13:16,263 --> 00:13:18,863
We wouldn't want
to speak ill of them
280
00:13:18,865 --> 00:13:20,999
the way they were,
but...
281
00:13:21,001 --> 00:13:22,901
Tell them, Thad.
282
00:13:22,903 --> 00:13:25,570
Well, six months later,
the younger one...
283
00:13:25,572 --> 00:13:28,439
what was
his name?
284
00:13:28,441 --> 00:13:30,975
Conover, Ed.
285
00:13:30,977 --> 00:13:34,579
THAD:
He worked
for a youth group.
286
00:13:34,581 --> 00:13:37,282
A church on 93rd.
287
00:13:37,284 --> 00:13:39,851
St. Lucius.
288
00:13:39,853 --> 00:13:41,820
Uh...
289
00:13:41,822 --> 00:13:44,823
we heard...
290
00:13:44,825 --> 00:13:47,926
he approached a boy.
291
00:13:47,928 --> 00:13:50,361
The boy
who made the accusation--
292
00:13:50,363 --> 00:13:53,098
he was trouble.
293
00:13:53,099 --> 00:13:55,834
I felt he was... he'd heard
about the other incidents,
294
00:13:55,836 --> 00:13:57,836
was wanting attention.
295
00:13:57,838 --> 00:14:00,438
So you think Conover
was innocent?
296
00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,907
In the case of the missing boy?
297
00:14:02,909 --> 00:14:04,442
He was never charged.
298
00:14:04,444 --> 00:14:07,545
My understanding of the law,
that makes him innocent.
299
00:14:07,547 --> 00:14:11,616
Reverend, why don't you
try not to judge us.
Save us a little trouble.
300
00:14:11,618 --> 00:14:14,285
He was a good counselor
to those kids,
301
00:14:14,287 --> 00:14:16,888
but in most people's eyes--
a lot of them--
302
00:14:16,890 --> 00:14:19,023
he was automatically guilty.
303
00:14:19,025 --> 00:14:21,025
Are you still in touch
with him?
304
00:14:21,027 --> 00:14:22,460
30 years ago
305
00:14:22,462 --> 00:14:24,863
suspicion almost destroyed
Conover's life.
306
00:14:24,865 --> 00:14:27,498
Do you want to put him
through that again?
307
00:14:27,500 --> 00:14:29,367
If he's guilty,
yes, I do.
308
00:14:29,369 --> 00:14:30,935
And if he's innocent?
309
00:14:30,936 --> 00:14:32,502
As you said, he
survived it once.
310
00:14:32,505 --> 00:14:36,407
Three blocks away--
Carrington nursing home.
311
00:14:36,409 --> 00:14:39,978
But you did know
the Keegan kid?
312
00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:42,947
You think I don't know
what you're thinking?
313
00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:45,450
All gays molest kids.
314
00:14:45,452 --> 00:14:46,918
I think you will find
315
00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,454
cops know most child molesters
are straight.
316
00:14:49,456 --> 00:14:51,623
Why don't you help us out?
317
00:14:51,625 --> 00:14:53,958
I don't have to tell
you one damn thing.
318
00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:55,593
No, you don't,
but we could get a subpoena.
319
00:14:55,595 --> 00:14:57,896
And I'd get a lawyer.
320
00:14:57,898 --> 00:14:59,497
Let's talk about the basement...
321
00:14:59,499 --> 00:15:02,634
You want the truth?
322
00:15:02,636 --> 00:15:04,969
Tommy...
323
00:15:04,971 --> 00:15:08,106
we took him down there,
tortured him, killed him.
324
00:15:08,108 --> 00:15:09,974
Used to do one a week.
325
00:15:09,976 --> 00:15:12,543
You're a laugh riot,
Mr. Conover.
326
00:15:12,545 --> 00:15:15,980
You know what else
isn't funny? You.
327
00:15:15,982 --> 00:15:17,115
Go to hell!
328
00:15:21,054 --> 00:15:23,388
Seventy? Last time
we did one that old
329
00:15:23,390 --> 00:15:25,556
it was a Nazi for the I.N.S.
330
00:15:25,558 --> 00:15:28,026
I'd say this one'd be
about as easy to convict.
331
00:15:28,028 --> 00:15:29,994
You got his name
on the ace of spades?
332
00:15:29,996 --> 00:15:32,697
He had access to the basement,
and he knew the Keegan kid.
333
00:15:32,699 --> 00:15:34,532
We mentioned him
to Julie Atkinson.
334
00:15:34,534 --> 00:15:36,367
She got a funny look
on her face.
335
00:15:36,369 --> 00:15:37,635
She fogged all up.
336
00:15:37,637 --> 00:15:40,004
So you saying she knows
that he killed the kid
337
00:15:40,006 --> 00:15:41,706
but she's trying
to protect him?
338
00:15:41,708 --> 00:15:43,441
Why? How did
Conover react?
339
00:15:43,443 --> 00:15:45,610
LOGAN:
Told us
to go to hell.
340
00:15:45,612 --> 00:15:48,446
Well, at least he's got a way
with words. Ideas?
341
00:15:48,448 --> 00:15:51,582
Let's see what Atkinson comes up
with, place him at the scene.
342
00:15:51,584 --> 00:15:54,452
Thanks.
343
00:15:54,454 --> 00:15:56,955
I don't understand.
The case must be closed by now.
344
00:15:56,957 --> 00:16:00,491
There's no statute
of limitations on homicide.
345
00:16:00,493 --> 00:16:03,528
But you told me you didn't know
if it was murder.
346
00:16:03,530 --> 00:16:06,130
That's why we'd like you to come
down, spend a couple hours
347
00:16:06,132 --> 00:16:07,532
going over everything
that happened.
348
00:16:07,534 --> 00:16:10,435
You know, a lead can come
from anywhere.
349
00:16:10,437 --> 00:16:12,704
I'm sorry.
350
00:16:12,706 --> 00:16:15,006
It's a busy time of year.
351
00:16:15,008 --> 00:16:17,108
Okay.
352
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:20,611
Kid's been dead
for 30 years.
353
00:16:22,515 --> 00:16:24,983
One more abandoned case.
354
00:16:24,985 --> 00:16:28,987
Nobody really cares now
except the mother.
355
00:16:28,989 --> 00:16:31,589
Thanks, anyway.
356
00:16:39,766 --> 00:16:41,599
Me? I can't contact her.
357
00:16:41,601 --> 00:16:42,767
It's improper.
358
00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:44,502
We pushed her.
It didn't work.
359
00:16:44,504 --> 00:16:46,637
It's not only improper,
it's ineffective.
360
00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:48,106
The woman has to trust me.
361
00:16:48,108 --> 00:16:50,108
I'll tell you something,
if we don't get Conover
362
00:16:50,110 --> 00:16:53,544
we can bury those bones
and the case along with it.
363
00:16:53,546 --> 00:16:55,446
Logan, woman asking
for you.
364
00:16:59,419 --> 00:17:00,752
Hey...
365
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:05,757
You said I could help.
366
00:17:05,759 --> 00:17:07,158
Yeah.
367
00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,061
Listen,
thanks for coming by.
368
00:17:10,063 --> 00:17:13,131
There's someone
I'd like you to meet.
369
00:17:16,603 --> 00:17:20,171
Ms. Atkinson,
this is Dr. Olivet.
370
00:17:20,173 --> 00:17:23,608
She's a police department
psychiatrist.
371
00:17:23,610 --> 00:17:26,611
Hi.
372
00:17:26,613 --> 00:17:29,047
Hi.
373
00:17:29,049 --> 00:17:30,899
For the first hour
374
00:17:30,900 --> 00:17:32,750
she didn't remember
even seeing the boy.
375
00:17:32,752 --> 00:17:34,485
LOGAN:
What about Conover?
376
00:17:34,487 --> 00:17:35,620
Nothing.
377
00:17:35,622 --> 00:17:37,722
She has this recurrent image--
378
00:17:37,724 --> 00:17:39,590
red and blue.
379
00:17:39,592 --> 00:17:40,825
She came back to it twice,
380
00:17:40,827 --> 00:17:42,827
but doesn't know
what it means.
381
00:17:42,829 --> 00:17:45,129
What was the Keegan kid wearing?
382
00:17:45,131 --> 00:17:49,267
Green shirt, khakis,
black sneakers.
383
00:17:49,269 --> 00:17:52,236
How screwed up is she?
384
00:17:52,238 --> 00:17:54,138
I'd say severely.
385
00:17:54,140 --> 00:17:56,841
And she said
she never saw a shrink?
386
00:17:56,843 --> 00:17:59,844
She also said she's basically
a happy person.
387
00:17:59,846 --> 00:18:02,180
What about hypnosis?
388
00:18:02,182 --> 00:18:05,483
Unreliable. And almost
impossible to get
admitted in court.
389
00:18:05,485 --> 00:18:07,852
Well... not if she doesn't
implicate herself.
390
00:18:07,854 --> 00:18:10,855
If she gives us a lead
and we corroborate it
391
00:18:10,857 --> 00:18:13,324
we don't need her in court.
392
00:18:13,325 --> 00:18:15,792
Yeah, but if we put her under,
and then we end up needing her
393
00:18:15,795 --> 00:18:18,496
we'll never get her
on the stand.
394
00:18:18,498 --> 00:18:19,697
She coming back?
395
00:18:19,699 --> 00:18:20,832
We opened a vein.
396
00:18:20,834 --> 00:18:22,733
She might want to close it.
397
00:18:22,735 --> 00:18:25,203
Maybe, maybe, maybe.
398
00:18:25,205 --> 00:18:28,873
My feeing:
She wants to know.
399
00:18:28,875 --> 00:18:31,809
Any idea what
this red and blue is?
400
00:18:31,811 --> 00:18:33,845
Your guess is as good as mine.
401
00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:38,149
Red and blue?
402
00:18:38,151 --> 00:18:39,217
You're joking.
403
00:18:39,219 --> 00:18:41,152
investigation
In a murder
404
00:18:41,154 --> 00:18:43,154
I don't go for laughs.
405
00:18:43,156 --> 00:18:45,123
It could be
anything--
406
00:18:45,125 --> 00:18:47,859
clothes, toys,
the American flag.
407
00:18:47,861 --> 00:18:50,628
The day the boy was missing
408
00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:52,230
do you remember
409
00:18:52,232 --> 00:18:55,199
if anything unusual
happened to Julie?
410
00:18:55,201 --> 00:18:56,634
An ordinary night.
411
00:18:56,636 --> 00:18:58,636
I had a P.T.A. meeting.
412
00:18:58,638 --> 00:19:01,572
I came home from work
and put Julie to bed.
413
00:19:01,574 --> 00:19:02,874
She had a cold.
414
00:19:02,876 --> 00:19:05,776
If you could persuade her
to talk to us again...
415
00:19:05,778 --> 00:19:07,145
We...
416
00:19:07,147 --> 00:19:10,715
I... I don't know
if we could convince her.
417
00:19:10,717 --> 00:19:13,818
Our psychiatrist feels
Julie may know something,
418
00:19:13,820 --> 00:19:15,653
though not consciously.
419
00:19:15,655 --> 00:19:17,922
We're not telling Julie
to do something
420
00:19:17,924 --> 00:19:20,858
she doesn't want to do.
421
00:19:20,860 --> 00:19:22,693
Dad says I had a cold?
422
00:19:22,695 --> 00:19:24,262
I'm sure he's right.
423
00:19:24,264 --> 00:19:26,764
Beautiful plants, orchids,
424
00:19:26,766 --> 00:19:29,267
but they need a lot of care.
425
00:19:29,269 --> 00:19:31,702
Maybe you could give
us another hour?
426
00:19:31,704 --> 00:19:35,573
Detective, if you could say an
eight-year-old has a boyfriend,
427
00:19:35,575 --> 00:19:36,641
mine was Tommy.
428
00:19:36,643 --> 00:19:37,808
But I can't help you.
429
00:19:37,810 --> 00:19:41,179
Julie, the red and the blue
you mentioned...
430
00:19:41,181 --> 00:19:43,281
You asked me
to meet with Dr. Olivet.
431
00:19:43,283 --> 00:19:44,749
I did.
432
00:19:44,751 --> 00:19:47,285
Mrs. Atkinson,
a little boy died.
433
00:19:47,287 --> 00:19:48,920
30 years ago.
434
00:19:48,922 --> 00:19:49,954
That's right.
435
00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:52,590
But what if it
had been yesterday?
436
00:19:52,592 --> 00:19:54,592
CERRETA:
Do us a favor?
437
00:19:54,594 --> 00:19:55,893
Will you try again?
438
00:19:55,895 --> 00:19:57,962
Just one more shot.
439
00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:03,834
OLIVET:
the day he disappeared?Tommy
440
00:20:03,836 --> 00:20:06,971
On the way home
from school.
441
00:20:06,973 --> 00:20:10,708
And then
you started walking?
442
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:12,310
I hid the candy.
443
00:20:12,312 --> 00:20:17,715
'Cause Daddy didn't like me
to eat them before dinner.
444
00:20:17,717 --> 00:20:21,319
Tommy had a baseball--
no, a football--
445
00:20:21,321 --> 00:20:23,721
and he kept
throwing it to Ed.
446
00:20:23,723 --> 00:20:26,341
Conover was with you?
447
00:20:26,342 --> 00:20:28,960
No, he was just sitting on the
stoop when we got to the house.
448
00:20:28,962 --> 00:20:30,728
I hated that.
449
00:20:30,730 --> 00:20:31,996
What did you hate?
450
00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:34,298
When he'd sit
on the stoop.
451
00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:38,002
I'd always have to
walk around him.
452
00:20:38,004 --> 00:20:39,770
Did he say anything?
453
00:20:39,772 --> 00:20:42,306
No, he just...
454
00:20:42,308 --> 00:20:44,008
I don't know.
455
00:20:44,010 --> 00:20:47,011
It... it made me
feel creepy
456
00:20:47,013 --> 00:20:48,746
and uncomfortable.
457
00:20:48,748 --> 00:20:50,448
And then what happened?
458
00:20:50,450 --> 00:20:52,817
JULIE:
We went into the house.
459
00:20:57,323 --> 00:21:01,859
My room... was right over here.
460
00:21:06,266 --> 00:21:09,767
My toy chest was always
by the door.
461
00:21:09,769 --> 00:21:13,771
Do you remember
having dinner that night?
462
00:21:13,773 --> 00:21:16,040
My mom probably
left something.
463
00:21:16,042 --> 00:21:18,509
She always did
when she wasn't home.
464
00:21:18,511 --> 00:21:22,046
And then you got sick,
and you went to bed.
465
00:21:22,048 --> 00:21:24,048
My pajamas
were always hanging
466
00:21:24,050 --> 00:21:26,450
on the back of the door.
467
00:21:28,388 --> 00:21:31,789
I had to go
to the bathroom.
468
00:21:31,791 --> 00:21:36,060
I wanted
to brush my teeth.
469
00:21:36,062 --> 00:21:38,396
Yeah, the bathroom...
470
00:21:38,398 --> 00:21:41,299
was right down here.
471
00:21:50,343 --> 00:21:53,010
Oh...
472
00:21:53,012 --> 00:21:55,313
no.
473
00:21:55,315 --> 00:21:58,316
Oh, my God.
474
00:21:58,318 --> 00:22:00,084
What is it, Julie?
475
00:22:00,086 --> 00:22:02,820
Oh... oh...
476
00:22:02,822 --> 00:22:05,823
the blue and the red.
477
00:22:05,825 --> 00:22:07,825
What's blue and red?
478
00:22:07,827 --> 00:22:09,393
The sweater.
479
00:22:09,395 --> 00:22:11,829
What sweater?
480
00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:14,832
Daddy's sweater.
481
00:22:14,834 --> 00:22:18,402
He's washing it out
here in the tub,
482
00:22:18,404 --> 00:22:23,474
and it's all covered
with blood.
483
00:22:30,116 --> 00:22:32,683
A daughter,
some bones in a basement
484
00:22:32,685 --> 00:22:33,751
and that's it?
485
00:22:33,753 --> 00:22:35,686
I'll bet anything
Dad's a kinko.
486
00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:37,021
ROBINETTE:
And no record.
487
00:22:37,023 --> 00:22:39,490
The shrink believes
the daughter.
488
00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:40,591
Indict him.
489
00:22:40,593 --> 00:22:42,793
Maybe he wets his pants
and confesses.
490
00:22:42,795 --> 00:22:45,596
And maybe he hits the city
with a false arrest charge,
491
00:22:45,598 --> 00:22:47,698
and the attorney general
has to settle with him.
492
00:22:47,700 --> 00:22:49,433
LOGAN:
I'm Messimer.
493
00:22:49,435 --> 00:22:52,470
I got a 65-year-old wife,
a daughter not talking to me.
494
00:22:52,472 --> 00:22:54,572
I'm possibly facing
25 years to life.
495
00:22:54,574 --> 00:22:56,006
What do I do?
496
00:22:56,008 --> 00:22:57,575
You go to Costa Rica
497
00:22:57,577 --> 00:23:00,544
and drink piña coladas
with 20-year-old bimbos.
498
00:23:00,546 --> 00:23:01,645
Pick him up.
499
00:23:01,647 --> 00:23:03,447
Take his passport.
500
00:23:07,453 --> 00:23:10,087
I'm going to talk
with Olivet.
501
00:23:10,089 --> 00:23:13,557
I'm not saying she's a picture
of mental health.
502
00:23:13,559 --> 00:23:15,459
She's not committable?
503
00:23:15,461 --> 00:23:17,461
From what I can tell
504
00:23:17,463 --> 00:23:21,599
this father jerked
this woman around like a yo-yo.
505
00:23:21,601 --> 00:23:23,601
He bartered affection.
506
00:23:23,603 --> 00:23:26,837
He controlled her like a robot,
but she's functional.
507
00:23:26,839 --> 00:23:29,607
Building a case on her...
508
00:23:29,609 --> 00:23:32,476
it's a thin tight rope;
no net.
509
00:23:32,478 --> 00:23:33,577
I've been wrong.
510
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:34,879
Not this time.
511
00:23:34,881 --> 00:23:37,481
Do you want to take
a pass on this?
512
00:23:37,483 --> 00:23:39,150
Not if he did it.
513
00:23:39,152 --> 00:23:40,885
She's telling the truth.
514
00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:42,153
And as a witness?
515
00:23:42,155 --> 00:23:44,889
The jury might
not believe her.
516
00:23:44,891 --> 00:23:46,757
What are we talking about?
517
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:48,893
She'll fall apart on the stand?
518
00:23:48,895 --> 00:23:52,530
Anything's possible.
519
00:23:52,532 --> 00:23:54,532
STONE:
We're just trying
to make you understand
520
00:23:54,534 --> 00:23:56,167
that being a witness
won't be easy.
521
00:23:56,169 --> 00:23:58,803
Being me isn't easy,
witness or otherwise.
522
00:23:58,805 --> 00:24:00,571
Please, Mrs. Atkinson.
523
00:24:00,573 --> 00:24:02,072
Pretend you're the jury.
524
00:24:02,074 --> 00:24:03,541
What do you see?
525
00:24:03,543 --> 00:24:05,709
A child attacking her parents.
526
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:10,748
ROBINETTE:
How long have you been
estranged from them?
527
00:24:10,750 --> 00:24:13,584
When I was 28,
I moved to Chicago.
528
00:24:13,586 --> 00:24:14,685
I got married.
529
00:24:14,687 --> 00:24:16,454
I got divorced.
530
00:24:16,456 --> 00:24:17,688
I came home.
531
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:20,458
My father said, "I told you so."
532
00:24:20,460 --> 00:24:21,892
Then I moved
to San Francisco.
533
00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:22,893
I got married.
534
00:24:22,895 --> 00:24:23,928
I got divorced
535
00:24:23,930 --> 00:24:25,663
and I came home
536
00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:27,531
and my father said
537
00:24:27,533 --> 00:24:30,534
"When are you going to learn
to listen to me?"
538
00:24:30,536 --> 00:24:33,604
Two years ago--
the last time I came home--
539
00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:35,706
I stopped talking to my father.
540
00:24:35,708 --> 00:24:37,675
I didn't know why then.
541
00:24:37,677 --> 00:24:40,578
Now I'm beginning
to understand it all.
542
00:24:40,580 --> 00:24:42,613
My concern is not only for you.
543
00:24:42,615 --> 00:24:45,816
We prosecute your father,
it falls apart,
544
00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:47,651
we look irresponsible.
545
00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:49,687
I told you. I'll testify.
546
00:24:49,689 --> 00:24:53,123
You're going to be portrayed
in the media and the courtroom
547
00:24:53,125 --> 00:24:56,227
as an unhappy, overwrought,
vindictive daughter.
548
00:24:56,229 --> 00:24:59,630
Maybe I'm not the happiest
person in the world.
549
00:24:59,632 --> 00:25:01,932
Maybe I won't be.
550
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:05,703
But I'll survive.
551
00:25:15,248 --> 00:25:17,281
She imagined this, Mr. Stone.
552
00:25:17,283 --> 00:25:19,717
STONE:
We're obliged
to investigate.
553
00:25:19,719 --> 00:25:21,986
At the expense
of my client's reputation.
554
00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:24,522
This man has led
an exemplary life.
555
00:25:24,524 --> 00:25:27,191
Or he hasn't
and nobody caught him.
556
00:25:27,193 --> 00:25:28,893
You people can't believe
557
00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:31,595
I killed
an eight-year-old child.
558
00:25:31,597 --> 00:25:34,732
We do love our daughter,
but Julie's had difficulties.
559
00:25:34,734 --> 00:25:38,702
you're risking a suit
If this gets out of hand,
560
00:25:38,704 --> 00:25:40,804
for malicious prosecution.
561
00:25:40,806 --> 00:25:43,307
If we feel we have a case,
we have to take the risk.
562
00:25:43,309 --> 00:25:45,609
What about the risk to Julie?
563
00:25:45,611 --> 00:25:48,746
What's happening here
is an abuse of the system,
564
00:25:48,748 --> 00:25:50,714
an abuse of your office
565
00:25:50,716 --> 00:25:53,183
and an abuse of my daughter.
566
00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:55,819
And an abuse of a child--
Tommy Keegan.
567
00:25:55,821 --> 00:25:57,755
Thad...
568
00:25:57,757 --> 00:26:00,691
If I read about this
in the papers...
569
00:26:00,693 --> 00:26:02,726
if you try to smear me...
570
00:26:02,728 --> 00:26:04,695
THAD:
Catherine.
571
00:26:12,305 --> 00:26:14,738
Try to keep it
out of the papers.
572
00:26:14,740 --> 00:26:18,809
A civil suit could be very messy
in an election year.
573
00:26:21,747 --> 00:26:23,581
What have you got?
574
00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:25,583
Genuine Life and Casualty.
575
00:26:25,585 --> 00:26:26,884
He got fired.
576
00:26:26,886 --> 00:26:28,786
They won't discuss it.
577
00:26:28,788 --> 00:26:31,655
I'll have Adam talk with them.
578
00:26:31,657 --> 00:26:34,325
You doubting he killed the kid?
579
00:26:36,362 --> 00:26:39,697
If I did,
I'm doubting a lot less.
580
00:26:39,699 --> 00:26:43,801
ROBINETTE:
Vice president back then.
581
00:26:43,803 --> 00:26:46,337
You must have been
pretty young.
582
00:26:46,339 --> 00:26:48,806
How well did
you know Messimer?
583
00:26:48,808 --> 00:26:50,674
You understand,
this is off
the record.
584
00:26:50,676 --> 00:26:53,344
Subpoena me--
I won't repeat
it under oath.
585
00:26:53,346 --> 00:26:55,245
I don't want to be sued.
586
00:26:55,247 --> 00:26:56,680
Messimer.
587
00:26:56,682 --> 00:27:00,618
Not a water-cooler man.
588
00:27:00,620 --> 00:27:02,319
Kept to himself.
589
00:27:02,321 --> 00:27:04,288
But you fired him
personally?
590
00:27:04,290 --> 00:27:06,690
Couple of meetings,
major clients.
591
00:27:06,692 --> 00:27:08,859
You couldn't see it, but...
592
00:27:08,861 --> 00:27:12,262
let's just say the mints
didn't cover the smell.
593
00:27:12,264 --> 00:27:14,365
He kept getting jobs.
594
00:27:14,367 --> 00:27:16,367
Some men drown in booze.
595
00:27:16,369 --> 00:27:18,702
Some swim in it.
596
00:27:18,704 --> 00:27:20,671
Who knew him well?
597
00:27:20,673 --> 00:27:22,039
He had a buddy.
598
00:27:22,041 --> 00:27:23,741
Gil Lindon.
599
00:27:23,743 --> 00:27:26,110
Fired him, too.
600
00:27:26,112 --> 00:27:29,647
Well, I mean, you know,
they never said fired.
601
00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:31,715
I mean, not to
your face, no.
602
00:27:31,717 --> 00:27:34,284
They called it
mutual termination.
603
00:27:34,286 --> 00:27:36,954
Tell me, is Messimer
in trouble, huh?
604
00:27:36,956 --> 00:27:39,423
Was his
a mutual termination, too?
605
00:27:39,425 --> 00:27:42,760
That man could sell
fire insurance to Eskimos,
606
00:27:42,762 --> 00:27:45,829
even putting away three
or four at lunch.
607
00:27:45,831 --> 00:27:47,998
He have any other problems?
608
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,733
What do they say?
609
00:27:49,735 --> 00:27:51,735
"Too late we grow smart."
610
00:27:51,737 --> 00:27:53,003
We drank.
611
00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:56,006
I took the 12 Steps
out of the bar.
612
00:27:56,008 --> 00:27:57,741
It's history.
613
00:27:57,743 --> 00:27:59,877
Grow smart now, Mr. Lindon.
614
00:28:01,881 --> 00:28:03,781
Tell me something.
615
00:28:03,783 --> 00:28:06,016
What did Messimer do?
616
00:28:06,018 --> 00:28:07,951
Kids?
617
00:28:10,723 --> 00:28:13,891
You know, right before
we were mutually terminated
618
00:28:13,893 --> 00:28:16,827
we were coming back
from a client--
619
00:28:16,829 --> 00:28:18,896
train station, Stamford--
620
00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:21,899
Thad goes into the can,
doesn't come back.
621
00:28:21,901 --> 00:28:23,901
I go in after him.
622
00:28:23,903 --> 00:28:25,903
There's a cop in there.
623
00:28:25,905 --> 00:28:27,938
Some kid, 14, 15...
624
00:28:27,940 --> 00:28:31,909
says, uh...
Messimer made a pass.
625
00:28:32,878 --> 00:28:34,044
It gives you motive.
626
00:28:34,046 --> 00:28:36,046
He molested Tommy,
then killed him.
627
00:28:36,048 --> 00:28:37,915
The Connecticut record
still there?
628
00:28:37,917 --> 00:28:39,049
Sealed.
629
00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:40,451
Get it unsealed.
630
00:28:40,453 --> 00:28:41,919
Charges were dropped.
631
00:28:41,921 --> 00:28:44,054
I sent up
a show-cause order.
632
00:28:44,056 --> 00:28:45,923
Boy's name, Joseph Kelley.
633
00:28:45,925 --> 00:28:48,492
He's an administrator
at Mercy Hospital.
634
00:28:48,494 --> 00:28:50,127
Go see him.
635
00:28:50,930 --> 00:28:52,830
It wasn't just him.
636
00:28:52,832 --> 00:28:54,932
I must have given him
the eye.
637
00:28:54,934 --> 00:28:57,935
I probably wanted him
to come on to me.
638
00:28:57,937 --> 00:29:00,070
The case never went
to trial.
639
00:29:00,072 --> 00:29:02,372
My parents suspected
I was gay.
640
00:29:02,374 --> 00:29:04,141
It comes out I'm hanging
around the station
641
00:29:04,143 --> 00:29:06,443
the neighbors hear
about it, well...
642
00:29:06,445 --> 00:29:09,079
So they said
you wouldn't testify.
643
00:29:09,081 --> 00:29:11,982
When I was in my 20s,
I went to a shrink.
644
00:29:11,984 --> 00:29:15,085
He said guys like that--
it's not about sex.
645
00:29:15,087 --> 00:29:16,820
It's about power.
646
00:29:16,822 --> 00:29:20,491
Lots of them don't even care
if it's boys or girls.
647
00:29:20,493 --> 00:29:22,960
Just somebody
they could control.
648
00:29:22,962 --> 00:29:27,397
Mr. Kelley, do you remember
exactly what Messimer did?
649
00:29:27,399 --> 00:29:28,966
Offered me 20 bucks.
650
00:29:28,968 --> 00:29:30,834
I almost said yes.
651
00:29:30,836 --> 00:29:33,170
Something in his eyes.
652
00:29:33,172 --> 00:29:35,839
Even a kid can tell.
653
00:29:35,841 --> 00:29:39,510
When I turned him down,
he got real upset.
654
00:29:39,512 --> 00:29:41,512
He grabbed my arm.
655
00:29:41,514 --> 00:29:43,514
Said, "50 bucks."
656
00:29:43,516 --> 00:29:46,984
The more I said no,
the crazier he looked.
657
00:29:46,986 --> 00:29:48,852
Yes, well,
that's all very interesting
658
00:29:48,854 --> 00:29:51,055
and useless at trial.
659
00:29:51,056 --> 00:29:53,257
Messimer wasn't convicted
of anything.
660
00:29:53,259 --> 00:29:55,125
I'll bring it in somehow.
661
00:29:55,127 --> 00:29:56,927
What? Pattern crime?
662
00:29:56,929 --> 00:29:59,446
It's not even close.
663
00:29:59,447 --> 00:30:01,964
Even if he had been convicted,
this isn't Palm Beach.
664
00:30:01,967 --> 00:30:03,967
You can't use previous history
665
00:30:03,969 --> 00:30:06,236
and without it,
you can't prove motive.
666
00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:09,072
They've got to open
the character issue.
667
00:30:09,074 --> 00:30:11,008
Then we can
bring in Kelley.
668
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:13,443
Messimer's reputation as a
totally respectable citizen--
669
00:30:13,445 --> 00:30:15,012
it's their only card.
670
00:30:15,014 --> 00:30:17,881
What's the operating
principle here?
671
00:30:17,883 --> 00:30:19,149
Doug Greer's a fool?
672
00:30:19,151 --> 00:30:20,918
Messimer is stupid?
673
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,986
Guaranteed he told Doug
about this.
674
00:30:22,988 --> 00:30:25,556
They're not going to bring in
any character witnesses?
675
00:30:25,558 --> 00:30:27,090
He won't
defend himself.
676
00:30:27,092 --> 00:30:29,927
20 to 1, he never tries
to make a case.
677
00:30:29,929 --> 00:30:33,030
How many times he did it
we'll never know about.
678
00:30:33,032 --> 00:30:36,567
Maybe you molest once
and never again, but twice?
679
00:30:36,569 --> 00:30:38,101
It's a compulsion.
680
00:30:38,103 --> 00:30:40,103
We've got to nail him.
681
00:30:40,105 --> 00:30:42,105
( phone ringing )
682
00:30:42,107 --> 00:30:44,908
Let me have that,
will you?
683
00:30:44,910 --> 00:30:46,276
Thanks.
684
00:30:46,278 --> 00:30:48,045
Yeah?
685
00:30:49,048 --> 00:30:51,014
Mm-hmm.
686
00:30:51,016 --> 00:30:54,051
Yes.
687
00:30:54,053 --> 00:30:55,185
It's Olivet.
688
00:30:55,187 --> 00:30:56,987
Mother got to Julie.
689
00:30:56,989 --> 00:30:59,289
She doesn't want
to testify.
690
00:31:07,166 --> 00:31:09,967
Liz, can you bring her in?
691
00:31:12,938 --> 00:31:15,005
Okay, two hours.
692
00:31:15,007 --> 00:31:17,007
I know what I told you.
693
00:31:17,009 --> 00:31:18,542
I made a mistake.
694
00:31:18,544 --> 00:31:20,611
And what did
your mother say?
695
00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:22,946
My memories
must be mixed up.
696
00:31:22,948 --> 00:31:24,948
She says my father loves me
697
00:31:24,950 --> 00:31:27,584
and can't believe
I'm doing this to him.
698
00:31:27,586 --> 00:31:29,653
( knocking )
699
00:31:35,961 --> 00:31:38,562
STONE:
You two may remember
each other.
700
00:31:42,534 --> 00:31:44,167
Mrs. Keegan.
701
00:31:45,137 --> 00:31:47,571
You look wonderful, Julie.
702
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:51,975
Mrs. Keegan, I...
703
00:31:51,977 --> 00:31:54,111
I need your help.
704
00:31:54,113 --> 00:31:56,647
I can't.
705
00:31:56,649 --> 00:31:58,215
He killed Tommy.
706
00:31:58,217 --> 00:32:01,051
OLIVET:
Julie, your father
can't hurt you anymore.
707
00:32:01,053 --> 00:32:05,022
The only power he has over you
is the power you give him.
708
00:32:05,024 --> 00:32:06,623
Please.
709
00:32:14,667 --> 00:32:17,935
Docket #45721, The People v. Thaddeus Messimer.
710
00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:20,938
The charge is murder
in the second degree.
711
00:32:20,940 --> 00:32:24,041
Is the defendant
ready to enter a plea?
712
00:32:24,043 --> 00:32:25,542
Not guilty.
713
00:32:25,544 --> 00:32:28,078
JUDGE:
Mr. Robinette?
714
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,147
Your Honor, the defendant's
economic situation allows
715
00:32:30,149 --> 00:32:32,549
for the real possibility
of flight.
716
00:32:32,551 --> 00:32:35,152
The People request $500,000 bail
717
00:32:35,154 --> 00:32:38,555
and that the defendant
surrender his passport.
718
00:32:38,557 --> 00:32:39,723
Your Honor,
the prosecutor's information
719
00:32:39,725 --> 00:32:42,659
is so, shall we say, perfunctory
720
00:32:42,661 --> 00:32:45,228
the People's request
seems extreme.
721
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:46,697
Mr. Greer,
722
00:32:46,699 --> 00:32:50,067
your client will surrender
his passport to the clerk.
723
00:32:50,069 --> 00:32:53,570
Your Honor, we have
no objection, but
in that case, bail...
724
00:32:53,572 --> 00:32:57,140
$300,000-- half in cash,
half secured bond.
725
00:32:57,142 --> 00:32:58,275
Next.
726
00:32:58,277 --> 00:33:00,010
This has gone too far.
727
00:33:00,012 --> 00:33:01,578
The case is preposterous, Ben.
728
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:04,181
Anybody could have
broken into that house.
729
00:33:04,183 --> 00:33:05,615
Wait a minute.
730
00:33:05,617 --> 00:33:08,986
You kill a child,
drag him to a stranger's house
731
00:33:08,988 --> 00:33:10,587
stick him in a wall?
732
00:33:10,589 --> 00:33:12,622
I'm filing a motion
for dismissal.
733
00:33:12,624 --> 00:33:14,591
We're presenting
to the grand jury.
734
00:33:14,593 --> 00:33:15,726
I'll file to quash.
735
00:33:15,728 --> 00:33:20,564
My daughter...
is a lovely, sweet woman
736
00:33:20,566 --> 00:33:23,033
who is very disturbed.
737
00:33:23,035 --> 00:33:24,668
Don't make her worse.
738
00:33:24,670 --> 00:33:27,037
Stop manipulating her,
maybe she'll feel better.
739
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:29,673
And disturbed or not,
a jury will believe her.
740
00:33:29,675 --> 00:33:31,775
Do you know what a trial
does to this man's life?
741
00:33:31,777 --> 00:33:33,243
Spare him the horror.
742
00:33:33,245 --> 00:33:34,544
Manslaughter one.
743
00:33:34,546 --> 00:33:35,746
Eight and 1/3 to 25.
744
00:33:35,748 --> 00:33:37,147
You can't be serious.
745
00:33:37,149 --> 00:33:38,682
A 30-year-old crime?
746
00:33:38,684 --> 00:33:41,618
A case that doesn't dignify
the word "evidence"?
747
00:33:41,620 --> 00:33:44,588
Doug, there is nothing dignified
about this case.
748
00:33:44,590 --> 00:33:47,024
Not the evidence, not the crime,
not the defendant.
749
00:33:51,163 --> 00:33:52,729
Your key witness--
750
00:33:52,731 --> 00:33:54,598
I wouldn't count on her.
751
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,601
You know where she took
her summer vacation last year?
752
00:33:57,603 --> 00:34:01,038
Bellevue-- the
psychiatric ward.
753
00:34:04,176 --> 00:34:05,609
Every word--
754
00:34:05,611 --> 00:34:07,177
your memories,
755
00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:09,179
your attitude
towards your parents--
756
00:34:09,181 --> 00:34:10,814
all of it comes
into question.
757
00:34:10,816 --> 00:34:12,315
I'm sorry.
758
00:34:12,317 --> 00:34:14,785
A psychiatric ward
is embarrassing.
759
00:34:14,787 --> 00:34:16,270
A trial can be
embarrassing,
760
00:34:16,271 --> 00:34:17,754
and not just to
your father, to you.
761
00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:19,790
I can handle it.
762
00:34:19,792 --> 00:34:21,158
It was a transient episode, Ben.
763
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,793
She was there three weeks.
764
00:34:22,795 --> 00:34:24,327
The jury hears words
765
00:34:24,329 --> 00:34:27,764
like "paranoia,"
"suicidal depression"?
766
00:34:27,766 --> 00:34:30,267
They are there to be judgmental.
767
00:34:30,269 --> 00:34:33,103
My breakdown helped me.
768
00:34:33,105 --> 00:34:36,173
Everything I kept inside
started to come out.
769
00:34:36,175 --> 00:34:39,142
Julie, if there is
anything else, he should know.
770
00:34:39,144 --> 00:34:40,677
And for your sake.
771
00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:43,814
My father's on trial, not me.
772
00:34:43,816 --> 00:34:46,149
The credibility
of your testimony
773
00:34:46,151 --> 00:34:47,651
is what is on trial.
774
00:34:47,653 --> 00:34:51,855
All my secrets are out,
Mr. Stone,
775
00:34:51,857 --> 00:34:54,691
and my parents' too.
776
00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:03,867
The skull had a lateral inline
fracture 12 centimeters long.
777
00:35:03,869 --> 00:35:06,837
Could that have been caused
by a fall, an accident?
778
00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:09,773
No, the skull was hit directly
by a heavy object.
779
00:35:09,775 --> 00:35:11,108
Thank you.
780
00:35:11,110 --> 00:35:12,375
Your witness.
781
00:35:12,377 --> 00:35:14,711
Mr. Houston, if a boy crawled
inside a wall,
782
00:35:14,713 --> 00:35:16,713
and an ordinary red brick--
783
00:35:16,714 --> 00:35:18,714
like the ones found
near the bones you examined--
784
00:35:18,717 --> 00:35:20,383
if a brick fell
eight or ten feet
785
00:35:20,385 --> 00:35:22,652
could it leave a fracture
like the one you described?
786
00:35:22,654 --> 00:35:24,221
It's possible, but...
Thank you.
787
00:35:24,223 --> 00:35:25,456
No further questions.
788
00:35:25,457 --> 00:35:26,690
Possible,
but extremely unlikely.
789
00:35:26,692 --> 00:35:28,758
No further questions.
790
00:35:29,862 --> 00:35:33,430
MRS. KEEGAN:
He never really had
much of a father.
791
00:35:33,432 --> 00:35:36,766
Tommy was only four
when my husband died.
792
00:35:36,768 --> 00:35:40,837
Did your son have a relationship
with the defendant?
793
00:35:40,839 --> 00:35:45,809
I worried about the lack
of a father figure for Tommy,
794
00:35:45,811 --> 00:35:48,245
so... I was happy to...
795
00:35:48,247 --> 00:35:50,881
to see Thad befriend Tommy.
796
00:35:50,883 --> 00:35:54,885
What did you personally witness
797
00:35:54,887 --> 00:35:58,889
of your son's relationship
with the defendant?
798
00:35:58,891 --> 00:36:01,909
Thad would
799
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:04,928
tap him on the head and tell him
he was big and strong
800
00:36:04,930 --> 00:36:07,697
grow up
to be a football player.
801
00:36:07,699 --> 00:36:11,234
He took him to a Giants game
once with his daughter.
802
00:36:11,236 --> 00:36:15,906
Tommy came home with one
of the players' autographs.
803
00:36:15,908 --> 00:36:17,941
Thank you.
No further questions.
804
00:36:19,912 --> 00:36:22,212
Mrs. Keegan,
805
00:36:22,214 --> 00:36:24,714
did you tell the police
806
00:36:24,716 --> 00:36:27,918
about Mr. Messimer's
relationship with your son?
807
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:29,219
No.
808
00:36:29,221 --> 00:36:30,687
Why?
809
00:36:30,689 --> 00:36:32,856
It didn't seem unusual to you?
810
00:36:32,858 --> 00:36:35,458
No.
811
00:36:35,460 --> 00:36:38,261
What made you change your mind?
812
00:36:38,263 --> 00:36:42,966
Well, nothing made me
change my mind.
813
00:36:42,968 --> 00:36:45,502
Did Tommy ever complain to you
814
00:36:45,504 --> 00:36:47,804
after he spent time
with Mr. Messimer?
815
00:36:47,806 --> 00:36:49,906
Did he seem troubled?
Moody?
816
00:36:49,908 --> 00:36:52,542
No.
Did you have a
close relationship
817
00:36:52,544 --> 00:36:54,978
with your son?
Did he confide in you?
818
00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:58,281
As much as children do.
819
00:36:58,283 --> 00:37:00,250
Thank you.
No further questions.
820
00:37:00,252 --> 00:37:03,820
Wait. You're trying
to make this seem as... as...
821
00:37:03,822 --> 00:37:04,821
Your Honor?
822
00:37:04,823 --> 00:37:06,556
The witness is excused.
823
00:37:06,558 --> 00:37:08,458
But I trusted Thad.
824
00:37:08,460 --> 00:37:10,293
I had no idea that...
825
00:37:10,295 --> 00:37:11,761
Mrs. Keegan, please.
826
00:37:11,763 --> 00:37:14,297
Step down.
827
00:37:14,299 --> 00:37:17,834
Repression is a well-understood
psychological mechanism.
828
00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:19,970
Memories too painful to bear
829
00:37:19,972 --> 00:37:22,305
are excluded
from conscious awareness.
830
00:37:22,307 --> 00:37:24,941
Can you explain
the appearance of memories
831
00:37:24,943 --> 00:37:27,310
after being repressed
for so many years?
832
00:37:27,312 --> 00:37:28,878
As a person grows up
833
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,316
and is psychologically capable
of coping with a painful event
834
00:37:33,318 --> 00:37:34,918
the memories break through.
835
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,420
Thank you.
No further questions.
836
00:37:37,422 --> 00:37:40,991
Dr. Olivet, don't we often
think we remember things
837
00:37:40,993 --> 00:37:44,327
that never happened?
838
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:46,263
Sometimes,
but repressed memories
839
00:37:46,265 --> 00:37:49,466
of traumatic events
are usually accurate.
840
00:37:49,468 --> 00:37:51,968
Are you familiar with the work
841
00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:54,871
of a psychiatrist
named Abraham Trigonis?
842
00:37:54,873 --> 00:37:56,906
Yes.
843
00:37:56,908 --> 00:37:58,959
Tell the court
844
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,011
Dr. Trigonis' theory
of childhood memories.
845
00:38:01,013 --> 00:38:05,582
Dr. Trigonis believes that many
adult memories of childhood
846
00:38:05,584 --> 00:38:09,819
are to some extent an amalgam
of fantasy and wish fulfillment.
847
00:38:09,821 --> 00:38:10,987
And yet you just said
848
00:38:10,989 --> 00:38:12,589
adult memories of childhood are
accurate.
849
00:38:12,591 --> 00:38:14,591
What I said was
repressed memories
850
00:38:14,593 --> 00:38:16,593
of traumatic events
are accurate.
851
00:38:16,595 --> 00:38:20,030
Especially when remembering
brings on a new trauma.
852
00:38:20,032 --> 00:38:21,431
Repressed memories.
853
00:38:21,433 --> 00:38:22,932
Adult memories.
854
00:38:22,934 --> 00:38:25,935
Well, it's certainly confusing
and abstract to me.
855
00:38:25,937 --> 00:38:28,505
No further questions.
856
00:38:28,507 --> 00:38:29,806
This is blackmail.
857
00:38:29,808 --> 00:38:31,374
No, this is your meeting.
858
00:38:31,376 --> 00:38:32,976
To spare his daughter
further suffering,
859
00:38:32,978 --> 00:38:35,378
Mr. Messimer
will consider a plea
860
00:38:35,380 --> 00:38:36,980
with the record sealed.
861
00:38:36,982 --> 00:38:41,918
Well, I'm sure Mr. Messimer
knows all about sealed records.
862
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,019
Don't force this, Ben.
863
00:38:43,021 --> 00:38:44,854
I'll demolish that
woman on the stand.
864
00:38:44,856 --> 00:38:48,458
Oh, I get it. He cares about
her, but you'll demolish her.
865
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:51,361
Criminally negligent
homicide-- he does no time.
866
00:38:51,363 --> 00:38:53,830
No time for killing a child?
867
00:38:53,832 --> 00:38:56,433
Who's blackmailing whom?
868
00:38:56,435 --> 00:38:57,867
Manslaughter one.
869
00:38:57,869 --> 00:38:59,369
Same offer.
870
00:38:59,371 --> 00:39:01,371
I love my daughter,
871
00:39:01,373 --> 00:39:06,076
but I'm not going to prison
for a crime I didn't commit.
872
00:39:09,514 --> 00:39:11,481
OLIVET:
She'll be here. Relax.
873
00:39:11,483 --> 00:39:14,884
She falls apart on
the stand she'll blow us
right out of the water.
874
00:39:14,886 --> 00:39:17,520
What do you think
she does to herself?
875
00:39:17,522 --> 00:39:20,090
Her breakdown was, what,
a year ago?
876
00:39:20,092 --> 00:39:23,360
Let's just hope this doesn't
give her another one.
877
00:39:30,702 --> 00:39:32,068
Are you okay?
878
00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:33,970
My father was waiting
for me last night
879
00:39:33,972 --> 00:39:36,106
on the street in
front of my building.
880
00:39:36,108 --> 00:39:38,408
He begged me
not to say anything.
881
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:41,111
He told me it would
be better for me.
882
00:39:41,113 --> 00:39:43,113
Not him-- me.
883
00:39:43,115 --> 00:39:45,115
All those years,
and I wondered
884
00:39:45,117 --> 00:39:46,883
what was wrong with me.
885
00:39:50,989 --> 00:39:52,155
I'll be okay.
886
00:39:57,496 --> 00:40:00,597
STONE:
And why did you seek
psychiatric help?
887
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:02,132
I was depressed.
888
00:40:02,134 --> 00:40:04,401
I had thoughts of suicide.
889
00:40:04,403 --> 00:40:08,004
Were you ever hospitalized
for emotional problems?
890
00:40:08,006 --> 00:40:10,006
About a year ago,
for three weeks.
891
00:40:10,008 --> 00:40:12,542
I suffered
from paranoid delusions.
892
00:40:12,544 --> 00:40:14,110
Do you still suffer from them?
893
00:40:14,112 --> 00:40:15,912
No.
894
00:40:15,914 --> 00:40:17,180
Mrs. Atkinson,
895
00:40:17,182 --> 00:40:19,649
please tell us what happened
896
00:40:19,651 --> 00:40:22,752
the day
Tommy Keegan disappeared.
897
00:40:22,754 --> 00:40:26,156
Tommy and I left school together
898
00:40:26,158 --> 00:40:28,658
and stopped
at a corner candy store,
899
00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:30,660
and then we started home.
900
00:40:30,662 --> 00:40:35,965
Mom was at work, and my dad
was waiting at the front door.
901
00:40:35,967 --> 00:40:39,536
And what else do you recall?
902
00:40:39,538 --> 00:40:43,072
I didn't feel well,
so I went to bed early.
903
00:40:43,074 --> 00:40:46,543
My dad brought me some warm
milk, and I fell asleep.
904
00:40:46,545 --> 00:40:49,746
But I woke up
to go to the bathroom,
905
00:40:49,748 --> 00:40:52,048
and I wanted to brush my teeth.
906
00:40:52,050 --> 00:40:56,119
So I went down the hall,
and the bathroom door was ajar.
907
00:40:58,790 --> 00:41:01,958
I heard water running.
908
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,461
( breathing tensely )
909
00:41:04,463 --> 00:41:08,097
I pushed the
door open...
910
00:41:11,703 --> 00:41:13,203
and I saw...
911
00:41:16,541 --> 00:41:18,675
I saw...
912
00:41:18,677 --> 00:41:21,144
What did you see?
913
00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:29,018
My dad...
914
00:41:31,523 --> 00:41:34,157
was kneeling at the tub
915
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:38,728
and he was washing out
a blue sweater.
916
00:41:38,730 --> 00:41:42,565
The sweater was all bloody
917
00:41:42,567 --> 00:41:46,236
and his hands were bloody.
918
00:41:46,238 --> 00:41:50,139
I said, "Daddy,
did you hurt yourself?"
919
00:41:50,141 --> 00:41:55,778
I wanted him to tell me
that everything was all right.
920
00:41:55,780 --> 00:41:57,714
And what did he do?
921
00:41:57,716 --> 00:42:00,216
He turned to me...
922
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,621
Blood was smeared on his face
923
00:42:04,623 --> 00:42:06,789
and he had a look
924
00:42:06,791 --> 00:42:09,626
like he was going to hit me.
925
00:42:09,628 --> 00:42:12,795
He looked like a monster
in a movie
926
00:42:12,797 --> 00:42:15,732
with his eyes all bulged out.
927
00:42:15,734 --> 00:42:18,201
Did he say anything?
928
00:42:19,271 --> 00:42:22,272
I don't remember anything
after that.
929
00:42:24,276 --> 00:42:25,742
Thank you.
930
00:42:27,579 --> 00:42:29,546
Your witness.
931
00:42:30,181 --> 00:42:33,316
Prior to the past two months,
Mrs. Atkinson,
932
00:42:33,318 --> 00:42:36,152
when did you last
see your parents?
933
00:42:36,154 --> 00:42:37,654
Two years ago.
934
00:42:37,656 --> 00:42:38,821
Two years.
935
00:42:38,823 --> 00:42:40,256
A long time.
936
00:42:40,258 --> 00:42:43,092
Did your parents
treat you badly?
937
00:42:43,094 --> 00:42:48,064
I didn't see them because
it was painful to talk to them.
938
00:42:48,066 --> 00:42:49,299
Oh, why?
939
00:42:49,301 --> 00:42:51,868
Do you feel
they don't love you?
940
00:42:51,870 --> 00:42:53,703
No, I'm sure they do.
941
00:42:53,705 --> 00:42:55,488
With your testimony
942
00:42:55,489 --> 00:42:57,272
are you trying to get back at
them for some reason?
943
00:42:57,275 --> 00:42:59,208
Objection.
Maybe you made this
944
00:42:59,210 --> 00:43:01,077
whole thing up just to get their
attention?
945
00:43:01,079 --> 00:43:02,278
Sustained.
946
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,881
Mr. Greer, that's enough
along those lines.
947
00:43:04,883 --> 00:43:06,883
Move on to
something else.
948
00:43:06,885 --> 00:43:09,786
Didn't you recall the
testimony you gave today,
949
00:43:09,788 --> 00:43:12,088
only with the help
of a psychiatrist
950
00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:14,190
who works for the police
department in New York City?
951
00:43:14,192 --> 00:43:15,858
I just took a walk with her.
952
00:43:15,860 --> 00:43:17,794
You just took a walk,
953
00:43:17,796 --> 00:43:21,197
and suddenly you remember
what happened 31 years ago.
954
00:43:21,199 --> 00:43:24,300
Did your Bellevue delusions
include images of blood?
955
00:43:24,302 --> 00:43:25,735
No.
Or bathtubs?
956
00:43:25,737 --> 00:43:27,203
Your father trying
to hurt you?
957
00:43:27,205 --> 00:43:28,237
You don't understand.
958
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,540
I understand.
959
00:43:30,541 --> 00:43:32,842
I understand that you've
always resented your father
960
00:43:32,844 --> 00:43:34,611
because he tried to tell you
some hard truths
961
00:43:34,613 --> 00:43:36,713
which you didn't want to hear,
now isn't that the truth?
962
00:43:36,715 --> 00:43:38,781
My father and I...
963
00:43:38,783 --> 00:43:41,751
Oh, come one, come on,
come on, come on.
964
00:43:44,923 --> 00:43:47,757
Didn't your father forbid you to
see a boy in high school
965
00:43:47,759 --> 00:43:50,293
who subsequently
made you pregnant?
966
00:43:50,295 --> 00:43:54,831
In fact, hasn't
your whole life
been a disaster?
967
00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:57,233
Divorces, abortions...
968
00:43:57,235 --> 00:43:58,234
Your Honor!
969
00:43:58,236 --> 00:43:59,769
Mr. Greer...
970
00:44:03,174 --> 00:44:04,307
No more questions.
971
00:44:13,385 --> 00:44:17,954
GREER:
He doesn't want her on the stand again.
972
00:44:17,956 --> 00:44:20,256
My heart goes out to him.
973
00:44:20,258 --> 00:44:23,826
Tomorrow, on redirect,
974
00:44:23,828 --> 00:44:27,864
I'm asking Julie if he
told her not to testify.
975
00:44:27,866 --> 00:44:29,265
I'll object.
976
00:44:29,267 --> 00:44:31,401
He tampered with
a witness, Doug.
977
00:44:31,403 --> 00:44:34,404
If he even gets
near her again...
978
00:44:34,406 --> 00:44:37,874
I was tempted
to revoke his bail.
979
00:44:37,876 --> 00:44:39,709
That's a stretch.
980
00:44:39,711 --> 00:44:42,412
He practically asked her
to commit perjury.
981
00:44:42,414 --> 00:44:44,013
Forget stretch.
982
00:44:44,015 --> 00:44:47,250
That's... that's a leap
across the Grand Canyon.
983
00:44:47,252 --> 00:44:49,752
I haven't changed my mind, Doug.
984
00:44:49,754 --> 00:44:52,388
Manslaughter one.
985
00:44:54,993 --> 00:44:58,327
He still insists
he didn't kill the boy.
986
00:44:58,329 --> 00:45:00,463
Fine.
987
00:45:00,465 --> 00:45:03,833
Does he want
to let a jury decide?
988
00:45:16,481 --> 00:45:18,915
Mr. Greer?
989
00:45:18,917 --> 00:45:21,250
Your Honor,
with the court's permission,
990
00:45:21,252 --> 00:45:24,787
the defendant wishes to withdraw
his previously entered plea
991
00:45:24,789 --> 00:45:28,324
and plead guilty to the
charge of manslaughter
in the first degree.
992
00:45:28,326 --> 00:45:30,860
Mr. Stone?
993
00:45:30,862 --> 00:45:32,261
The People agree, Your Honor,
994
00:45:32,263 --> 00:45:35,398
with a sentence
of eight and 1/3 to 25 years
995
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,366
as a condition of the plea.
996
00:45:37,368 --> 00:45:39,869
are pleading guilty
Mr. Messimer, you
997
00:45:39,871 --> 00:45:44,040
to manslaughter
in the death of Thomas Keegan.
998
00:45:44,042 --> 00:45:45,508
Did you, in fact
999
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:48,411
commit the crime
with which you're charged?
1000
00:45:48,413 --> 00:45:51,380
Yes.
1001
00:45:53,752 --> 00:45:55,017
For the record,
1002
00:45:55,019 --> 00:45:58,888
tell the court
how you committed the crime.
1003
00:45:58,890 --> 00:46:01,824
I... I hit him.
1004
00:46:03,828 --> 00:46:07,797
There was a lug wrench
next to the boiler.
1005
00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:10,299
I hit him on the head.
1006
00:46:12,270 --> 00:46:14,971
I saw that he was dead
1007
00:46:14,973 --> 00:46:16,439
and I...
1008
00:46:18,076 --> 00:46:22,311
I put him inside the wall.
1009
00:46:26,351 --> 00:46:29,051
I'm sorry.
1010
00:46:31,089 --> 00:46:33,990
The plea agreement
is so entered.
1011
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:54,076
He would have
been convicted.
1012
00:46:54,078 --> 00:46:55,344
He'd have done 25.
1013
00:46:55,346 --> 00:46:58,080
He's 65 years old,
and I didn't want
1014
00:46:58,082 --> 00:47:03,085
his daughter waking up
with nightmares for
the rest of her life.
1015
00:47:03,087 --> 00:47:06,122
Now she knows for sure.
She didn't imagine it.
1016
00:47:06,124 --> 00:47:10,126
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