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This programme contains scenes which
some viewers may find disturbing,
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very strong language from the start
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and discriminatory language
which some may find offensive
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Before they drive off,
he's parked right here.
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It's a fake bill from the gentleman.
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Is the driver in there?
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Which one?
That blue one over there.
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All right.
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Oh!
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Let me see your hands.
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Hey, man. Stay in the car.
Let me see your other hand.
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry...
Let me see your other hand!
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Please, Mr Officer. Both hands!
I didn't do nothing!
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Put your fucking hands up right now.
I didn't do nothing.
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Let me see your other hand.
All right. What did I do, though?
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What did I do?
Put your hand up there!
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God, man!
Put your fucking hand up there!
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Jesus Christ, keep your
fucking hands on the wheel.
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I got shot. I got shot before.
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Keep your fucking hands
on the wheel. Yes, sir.
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God dang, man!
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Man, I got shot the same way,
Mr Officer, before.
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OK. Well, when I say,
"Let me see your hands,"
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you put your fucking hands up.
I am so sorry, Mr Officer.
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You got him? Man! Dang, man!
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Put your hands on top of your head.
Man, Mr Officer.
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What's your first name?
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His name is George Floyd.
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What is it? He's a good guy.
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George Floyd, she said.
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Man, let me calm down now.
I'm feeling better now.
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Keep walking. OK, cop,
can you do me one favour, man?
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No. When we get to the car.
Let's get to the car, man.
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Please, man. Don't leave me
by myself, man, please.
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I'm just claustrophobic, that's it.
Well, you're still going in the car.
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When I watched the video
of George Floyd...
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Don't do me like that, man.
Get in the car!
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OK, can I talk to you, please?
If you get in this car, we can talk!
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I'm claustrophobic.
..what I saw was evil.
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I can't breathe!
I can't take that, man! I can't!
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Let me lay on the ground.
I want to lay on the ground.
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It was reminiscent of a lynching.
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Argh! Argh! Argh!
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Aargh!
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But, after that, we saw millions
of people around the world
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take a stand with
the Black Lives Matter movement.
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A global uprising against injustice.
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Please, man!
I can't fucking breathe!
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Come on out. I appreciate that.
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Because when police continually
oppress and violate people's rights
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and abuse them and murder them,
at some point...
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..there is going to be an uprising
when people have had enough.
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It was like a flash point.
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EXPLOSIONS
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The echo of that pain.
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Like this groundswell
of final truth.
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They're actually understanding
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what the world looks like
through our eyes.
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I need you to understand now
how painful this shit is!
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There was clearly a shared
sentiment amongst all of us,
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which was, change has to happen.
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2020 felt like
a window of opportunity,
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one moment to challenge
the status quo...
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Former Minneapolis police officer
Derek Chauvin
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has been charged with murder.
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..but it led to a huge backlash
across the world.
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Attempting to challenge
the status quo,
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there was always going to be
discontent, because at that point
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there's, like, large swathes
of defensiveness and denial.
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REPORTER: His report concluded
that there is no proof
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of institutional racism.
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And our country
will be woke no longer!
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Did the movement fail?
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What the hell happened?
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CHANTING: Whose streets?
Our streets!
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Whose streets? Our streets!
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So, on May 25th of 2020,
Memorial Day...
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..I was home with my family
in Minneapolis
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and I just happened to open Facebook
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and I noticed there was
a Black Lives Matter post
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which said that the police
had choked someone
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to the point that they died.
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Normally in Minneapolis, people get
shot and killed by the police,
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not having their throats crushed,
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so I was definitely curious
about the situation.
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I'm a civil rights attorney
and one of the spokespersons
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for the Black Lives Matter movement
here in Minneapolis.
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So, if people in the community
had various issues,
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I would contact Chief Arradondo.
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When I saw her number,
I answered it.
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"Did Minneapolis Police
kill someone today?"
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And he said, "No, Miss Nekima."
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We had a death,
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but I believe it was
a medical-related death.
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Well, that's not what the community
is saying happened.
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"People are saying the police
choked this person.
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"Have you seen video of the
incident?" And he said, "No."
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I said, "You need to see
some video immediately."
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Please...
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Mr Officer...
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When I saw that video,
I wanted my eyes...
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..to not see what I was just seeing.
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Please! I can't breathe!
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To see the life...
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..being essentially choked
out of someone
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who kept saying,
"I can't breathe"...
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..was one of the most devastating
things that I've witnessed.
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REPORTER: Breaking news this
morning, there's a man who is dead
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after an encounter with police.
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A video posted to Facebook shows an
officer with his knee on his neck.
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We're not showing that video
just yet.
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We want to make sure that man's
family is fully notified.
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I remember...
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..the television had a black guy
laying on the ground.
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MUFFLED: Once you got him down,
man, let him breathe.
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I can't breathe.
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My heart was breaking for that dude.
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And my sister calls me...
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..and that's when...
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..I realised that...
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..I was sitting there
looking at my nephew die.
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REPORTER: A video showed an officer
pressing his knee into the neck
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of the man who was later identified
as George Floyd.
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His favourite pastime
was shooting hoop in the 'hood.
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You know, he's at the park right
here now in the Fifth Ward, balling.
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It just brings me back, man,
to the days where...
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..where we'd shoot ball and laugh.
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I was bigger than he was,
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but after 15 or 16, I still treated
him like he was a little dude
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but he was a little bit taller.
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George was my big sister's baby boy.
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I watched him grow from
a little baby to a grown man.
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I loved that dude a lot.
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I'm never going to be able to
look at his beautiful smile.
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He don't get to see his baby
grow up.
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That day on May the 26th...
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..that's when the world changed.
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That video played every second
of the day,
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all over the world.
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REPORTER: Minneapolis gehen fur
George Floyd auf die Strasse.
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REPORTER: George Floyd,
un ciudadano negro,
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a manos de un policia blanco...
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REPORTER: An investigation
is under way in Minneapolis
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into the death of another black
man in police custody.
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This was a moment that we
could not turn away from.
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Yeah, just, like, devastating.
Just devastating.
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With the additional uncertainty
of the pandemic,
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it was just a sense
of absolute helplessness.
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We're all in our homes,
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our window into the world
is our phones or our screens.
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Of course, we all want to live
in a world where everybody's life
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feels sacred and feels valued,
but a huge part of that
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and an undeniable step towards that
is for black lives to matter.
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I think I watched the beginning
of the clip many times.
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I've never finished it,
because for me...
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..there was a barrier
which I couldn't get over,
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which was I don't want to witness
someone's life leave them.
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I've seen quite a lot
of films like that.
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Like, videos of something
like that occurring.
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I just thought, "Oh, God,
another one of those videos."
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It was a familiar,
horrified feeling.
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You know, unfortunately, for me,
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this is not the first video
I've seen like this.
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It's been going on for too long
and it isn't just in our lifetime,
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it's been going on long before us.
This is a systemic problem.
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Racism isn't only going on
in America.
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You know, the UK is not innocent.
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The UK has a track record
of state-sanctioned violence
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in police custody,
which is even more insidious
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because it's all behind
closed doors.
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There's no cameras in there.
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These cases aren't exclusive
to the American experience.
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It threw me back to, like,
rah, are we still...
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..at the bottom of this thing?
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OK, OK, OK, so when
are we going to change...
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..everything that makes
this possible?
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REPORTER: George Floyd is dead.
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The scene of the confrontation
with police
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outside this grocery store
is now home for a memorial.
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People throughout the city,
throughout the state,
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expressing outrage over
the actions of one officer
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and the inactions of others.
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They treated my brother
like a scumbag.
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They left him there to die. They
act like he was a piece of trash.
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Later that afternoon,
I headed to City Hall.
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Chief Arradondo was going to
make a decision
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of whether he was going to fire
one or more of the officers.
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As Chief of Police,
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I do not have a say in criminal
charges against employees.
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We do not investigate our own
in matters like that,
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but what I am responsible for
is their employment.
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He made the announcement, which was
unprecedented, that he was planning
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to fire all four of
the police officers involved.
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It was something that the department
had never experienced before.
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Some officers, I'm sure,
were devastated.
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These officers have family members,
they have loved ones,
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but I also have to look
at the victims.
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We all have to be held accountable.
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Making sure that those officers
weren't just fired
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but that they were criminally
charged, that became our focus
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later that afternoon when we held
the first demonstration.
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CHEERING
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REPORTER: People who are here
for the protest
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have actually joined a march towards
the Minneapolis Police Department.
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The officers involved in that
incident worked at Third Precinct.
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CROWD: George Floyd!
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The Black Lives Matter movement
began
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long before George Floyd was killed.
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In 2012,
we had started to organise
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after the killing of Trayvon Martin
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at the hands of George Zimmerman.
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The verdict, we the jury find
George Zimmerman not guilty.
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Our streets! Our streets!
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We wound up holding some protests,
but there wasn't a movement
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until the police
killing of Mike Brown.
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..police officer shot and killed an
unarmed 18-year-old, Michael Brown.
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Police say the officer had been
on the force for about six years.
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Folks from around the country
actually descended upon Ferguson.
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Don't shoot! Hands up!
Don't shoot! Hands up!
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That is what I would say
really started
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what we know as the movement
for Black Lives.
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Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
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And now the murder of George Floyd
would not be swept under the rug.
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Prosecute the police.
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No justice, no peace!
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We decided to march
to the Third Precinct.
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Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
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By Wednesday morning,
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the site of the Third Precinct
had become a focal point.
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No justice, no peace!
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Prosecute the police.
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If you're ever experiencing
civil unrest,
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in your ear, there's this crescendo.
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It's building.
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By Wednesday,
it had reached a fever pitch.
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They're really out here
hurting people.
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I knew that any small mistake
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could be deadly.
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The protest was largely
peaceful at that time,
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but suddenly...
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..the police emerged
wearing riot gear,
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using tear gas on protesters.
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I thought I was going to vomit.
I literally couldn't breathe.
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They're worried about rocks
being thrown at a building,
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when we're worried about human lives
being taken away
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without any accountability.
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No.
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You don't have the luxury of time.
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Mistakes are going to be made.
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I did direct our officers
to deploy gas
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once a secure fence
was breached.
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You're doing the best you can...
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..but it was a crisis that I had
never, ever experienced before.
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Burn it!
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The crowds amassed
and they made their way in there.
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And within minutes,
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the first flames started to come
from inside the building.
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Wow, that's the precinct.
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And I told Dispatch that
we've lost the Third Precinct.
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This is the community's response
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to George Floyd being murdered
by Minneapolis Police.
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What's his name? George Floyd!
What's his name? George Floyd!
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Police have largely withdrawn
and it's pretty much lawlessness
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right now across
large parts of the city.
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Donald Trump initially called
the video of Mr Floyd's death
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shocking but went on Twitter
to describe the protesters as thugs,
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adding that "when the looting
starts, the shooting starts".
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Are you concerned that you might be
stoking more racial violence
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or more racial...?
No, no, not at all.
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MAGA loves the black people.
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Minnesota,
they've got to get tougher.
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The situation is
incredibly dangerous.
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Minnesota National Guard
is deployed.
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This is the largest civilian
deployment in Minnesota history.
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The force that we have out there now
is about three times larger
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than the one in the '60s, which was
the largest during the race riots.
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I'm here to announce that former
Minneapolis Police Officer
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Derek Chauvin is in custody.
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But the question is whether
that will be enough to quell
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the rage that was ignited here and
is now spreading across the country.
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The trauma being expressed
right now, it's the result of years
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and years of racial injustice
and discrimination.
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Martin Luther King, he says, "A riot
is the language of the unheard."
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I think that black people were
feeling that there was very little
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that they could do to challenge
injustices within the system,
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until the Black Lives Matter
movement began.
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CHANTING: George Floyd!
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Thousands of people have
gathered across central London
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to protest against the killing
of George Floyd in the biggest
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gathering of people since lockdown.
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Am I next?
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That is the question I'm asking
myself. Regardless if I'm here
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in the United Kingdom, am I next,
because of my skin colour?
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Black life matters.
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Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
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The George Floyd protests started
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on the streets of Minneapolis
on Wednesday.
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By Sunday, they were with us
here in Trafalgar Square.
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This level of engagement,
is it about solidarity
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with fellow citizens in America,
or is it about change here?
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I don't... Yeah,
I don't think it's either/or.
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There are parallels,
there are significant parallels,
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disturbing parallels between
the black British experience
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and the African American experience.
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There was a young man that
I was in primary school with.
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His name's Julian Cole.
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He was accosted by five officers
outside of a nightclub,
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had his neck snapped.
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Guess how many convictions
that debacle ended in? None.
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There's been no jail time
doled out for police.
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But you're not putting America
and Britain on the same footing?
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I mean, I heard
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that very moving,
horrific account,
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but our police aren't armed,
they don't have guns.
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It's not the same, is it?
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If it's not the same,
then you have to explain to me
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why Julian Cole is not an exception.
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Black people are twice as likely
to die in police custody
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as their white counterparts in
this country, so this is very real.
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The need for change is overdue
and I hope this is a learning point
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for many people who
think along the lines
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that you just expressed.
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At the time George Floyd happened,
I've had politicians say to me,
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"Why are you worried?"
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You know, "It's not
British policing."
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But I know, cos I've been
in policing for a very long time,
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that things like that
happen in this country too.
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That is the reality
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and it's very much the real
experience of the black community.
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Julian happened to be my friend
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and when I heard about George
Floyd's murder, yeah, I immediately
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thought about Julian, because
it was all to do with the throat.
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Do you know what I mean?
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Yeah...
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I used to work with Julian in
a shoe shop back in, like, 2013,
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and we were cool.
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Played football for the FC semi-pro
and he was a sports science student.
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He was a good...
youth of good fortune.
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So, when I found out about his case,
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yeah, I was...I was shocked still.
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I was...I was...
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..like, what? What do you mean,
his neck's broken?
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What do you, like...?
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Julian Cole's arrest
was captured on CCTV.
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He'd been restrained outside
a nightclub in Bedford
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and bouncers
and the police were involved.
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Officers dragged him into a van.
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The officers sacked today had
all lied that he'd been able
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to move his legs.
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He was initially taken to a police
station, rather than a hospital.
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And this is how he is now.
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He's in a permanent
vegetative state.
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I'm not afraid to say Feds
literally broke my bredrin's neck,
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then lied on one
of their statements.
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It's too much, you know
what I'm saying?
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It was...it was too much, bro.
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In a situation like this,
you shouldn't be abusing your power.
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All that's happened to you
is that you've lost your job.
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I don't think that's enough.
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You would think that
if you broke somebody's neck,
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you'd be at the mercy of the law.
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Any of us go outside and do that
right now to somebody,
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we are spending the rest
of our lives in jail.
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What the misconduct panel have found
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is that the officers acted
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without the honesty and integrity
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that I would expect them to,
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and nor did they conduct
the welfare checks
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that I would have wanted them to.
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Cases such as Julian Cole challenge
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that notion that justice
in the United Kingdom
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treats everybody fairly,
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no matter what the colour of
their skin.
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They're searching my car for drugs,
even though I told them what I do.
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They checked me
and they've not found anything.
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I can get stopped once a week.
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You detain me because of what?
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Because of perception, because you
perceive me to be something I'm not.
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There's also a series of stories
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where police brutality had
been alleged,
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cases like the Dalian Atkinson
killing.
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NEWSREADER: Police were called
to his father's home.
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A Taser was discharged
and Dalian Atkinson was restrained.
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He died shortly afterwards.
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The cop kicks him in the head
so hard
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there's an imprint of his boot
on Dalian Atkinson's head.
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A lot of black people can relate to
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George Floyd having
the life squeezed out of him.
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Not many of us can relate to
the sharp end of the violence,
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but I think most of us can relate to
being looked at with suspicion,
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being looked at like
you're a threat,
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being chased out of establishments,
being asked to move on.
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Police, prisons.
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These are institutions that
exacerbate inequality,
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institutions that have pinpointed
and terrorised us, you know?
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What's his name?
CROWD: George Floyd!
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What's his name? George Floyd!
What's his name?
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NEWSREADER: In Minneapolis,
the demonstrations continue.
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Calls are growing for the three
other officers involved
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to also be brought to justice.
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Lock up all four! Lock up all four!
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Lock up all four!
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I am your President
of law and order.
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If a city or state refuses to take
the actions that are necessary
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to defend the life and property of
their residents,
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then I will deploy
the United States military
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and quickly solve the problem
for them.
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We must never give in to
anger or hatred.
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If malice or violence reigns,
then none of us is free.
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Go to the Instagram pages of
some of your favourite celebrities
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and you'll see nothing
but a black box
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where a photo or video should be.
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Major corporations have
flooded social media
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with messages for
the Black Lives Matter cause.
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00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,040
Quite quickly it started to become
a social media event,
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something to jump on.
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Like, "Oh, my God, this is awful."
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Tell me about how awful
this is for you.
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I didn't really think
I could explain it in...
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..in a text message.
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A recent update for Google Assistant
now has a custom answer
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to the question,
"Do black lives matter?"
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GOOGLE ASSISTANT:
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SIREN WAILS
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Do not stay here!
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If you are here for the protest,
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make your way towards Hyde Park,
please!
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Arriving at that protest, you know,
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as someone who has the dichotomy of
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both experiencing racism,
but also having privilege,
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because of my skin tone
and proximity to whiteness,
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I felt like I had to show up.
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I guess I didn't know what
to expect,
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but your pain had a place to
be expressed.
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No justice!
CROWD: No peace!
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00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:00,640
No justice! No peace!
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00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,360
No justice!
No peace!
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00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,400
No justice! No peace!
439
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,720
George Floyd!
CROWD: George Floyd!
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George Floyd! George Floyd!
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Once I had that megaphone,
it was like,
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"Right, this is the job,"
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00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:17,160
and protesting was like a job that
I took seriously.
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00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,200
George Floyd! Big up
yourselves from everything...
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CHEERING
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It was one of the most magical days,
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because it was a huge turnout.
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00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,520
Just felt like the whole park was
covered with people,
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00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,400
and this sense of the fact that we
are all coming from the same place
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and we all want the same thing.
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00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,960
There was this energy, like,
we were just there,
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00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,080
listening to each other,
and that kind of felt cathartic.
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I want to thank every single
one of you for coming out.
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This is very important.
This is very vital.
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00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,640
Suddenly, this sort of energy
in the crowd, like, kind of changed
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and I could suddenly hear
this voice.
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00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:14,320
Black lives have always mattered.
We have always been important.
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We have always...
It was John Boyega.
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Every black person understands
and realised the first time
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you were reminded that
you are black. You remember...
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00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:28,520
You could cut the air with
a knife, like, it was...powerful.
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SHOUTING
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I need you to understand now how
painful this shit is.
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00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,040
I need you to understand how
painful it is... Guys, guys, guys...
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..to be reminded every day
that your race means nothing.
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00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,160
And that isn't the case any more.
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00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,200
That is never the case any more.
We are going to try today.
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We are a physical representation
of our support for George Floyd.
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Stand on this,
let's stand on this, stand on it!
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We are a physical representation
of our support for Trayvon Martin.
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I'm speaking to you... I'm speaking
to you from my heart.
472
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,280
Look, I don't know if I'm going
to have a career after this,
473
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,360
but no, fuck that, bruv.
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00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,720
INDISTINCT SHOUTING
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Fuck that!
476
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:15,440
John, you got this.
477
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,880
You got this, you got this!
You've got this!
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00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,400
I'm so grateful to him.
479
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,520
His speech went a long way.
480
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Black boy from Peckham
and he's using his power
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00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,920
and his influence in a way that's
really going to benefit people.
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00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,080
NEWSREADER: Star Wars actor
John Boyega
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is joining the call for racial
equality after George Floyd's death.
484
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,880
I just think it's really cool that
John Boyega,
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00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,360
star of Star Wars,
went out and spoke.
486
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,880
I just think this is super powerful.
487
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,040
My guy is shelling and I love
the fact that he's shelling
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00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,000
and he's creating waves.
489
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,760
There's not really as much racism
or violence as there used to be,
490
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,000
so there's no reasons to
protest any more,
491
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,680
so they have to kind of make
things up
492
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,200
and exaggerate and blame
things on racism,
493
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,080
even though racism
wasn't proven to be involved yet.
494
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,520
CROWD: No peace! No justice!
No peace! No justice!
495
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,560
So, I remember my editor had
given me a call.
496
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:18,480
There was a gathering
for George Floyd in Hyde Park.
497
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,840
The speakers encouraged people,
"Let's keep making noise,
498
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,760
"let's walk
towards central London."
499
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,560
Forget about Covid.
500
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,640
There are not supposed to
be any gatherings happening
501
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,280
anywhere in the country right now,
502
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:33,800
and there are thousands
and thousands of people,
503
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,480
young people, who are here today.
504
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,400
What I notice is groups of police
officers, on the side,
505
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,280
sort of following them on.
506
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,880
CROWD: George Floyd! George Floyd!
507
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,920
So, some people would start
interacting with the police.
508
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,480
There has always been a sense of
509
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:56,960
black people versus the police,
510
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,640
or racialised people versus
the police,
511
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,680
and how the police deal with
those communities.
512
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,120
So, when I see the police, I feel
threatened. I don't feel safe.
513
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,160
I do believe that
their presence there is aggressive.
514
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,000
No justice! No peace!
515
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,560
Those protests were
essentially about police brutality.
516
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,720
The BLM protests had a real impact
on policing at the time,
517
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,640
and I know that because I was in
all of the meetings
518
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,680
when that was discussed.
519
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,960
I was one of the National
Police Chiefs' Council's
520
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,600
52 chief constables.
521
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:32,840
So, Chiefs' Council that I sat on,
lots of people sitting around,
522
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,440
at least a third of that
council going,
523
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,840
"This is terrible, we've got
to do something about it."
524
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,040
A third didn't speak,
but I strongly suspect were...
525
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,640
..wanted to do something but were
nervous of the political reaction.
526
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,360
The political context of the time
from the Conservative Party was,
527
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,640
"There's a culture war here
and there's nothing to see here."
528
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,360
NEWSREADER: Police chiefs in the UK
offered a message of solidarity
529
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,000
to the protesters,
saying they too were appalled
530
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,400
and horrified by Mr Floyd's death,
531
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,760
but that didn't go down well here.
532
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,040
The police in the UK have killed
people
533
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,600
and are held unaccountable for.
534
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,080
Look at the T-shirt.
535
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,120
These are the names of people
they've killed.
536
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,840
How dare the chiefs of police
across the country issue a statement
537
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,400
saying they're in solidarity
with George Floyd.
538
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,600
They are disgraceful!
539
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,000
They have never been
accountable in this country.
540
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,960
How dare they use his death
as a publicity stunt!
541
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,480
We're out here for people in this
country that have been killed
542
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,080
and we will fight for our rights!
543
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,880
CROWD: Shame on you! Shame on you!
Shame on you!
544
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,680
You, you're a racist.
545
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:33,720
It was very tense.
546
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:35,040
Very, very tense.
547
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,640
It was just total chaos.
548
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,000
Do you understand why
people in this country
549
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,280
feel that there is enough
of a parallel to come out
550
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,760
and protest here in the streets
like we saw yesterday?
551
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,280
I understand people
are feeling very strongly
552
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,240
about what has happened over there,
553
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,240
but I would draw a distinction,
actually, between the United States
554
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,320
with its history, its culture,
its policing models, and ours.
555
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,960
I think that George Floyd's
murder brought people
556
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:20,560
out on the streets, but I think this
racialised state violence.
557
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,280
It keeps
happening because it's the norm,
558
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,480
and we don't want this norm
any more.
559
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,760
That's why people came out
on the streets, cos they were like,
560
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,640
"We don't like this norm.
This norm is wrong.
561
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,120
"This norm is perverse."
562
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,520
Just because it's the norm
doesn't mean that it's OK.
563
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,880
NEWSREADER: Breaking news overseas,
564
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,600
a major protest under way
right now in London.
565
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,480
A protest in London.
What's going on?
566
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,840
What we're seeing
here feels uniquely American.
567
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,800
I guess it's not.
Well, it isn't any more, Steph,
568
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,760
because what you're seeing is
569
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,360
those same protests being
mirrored around the world,
570
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,960
people both inspired and outraged.
571
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,080
This is just one example of
the protests that are happening now
572
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:58,840
and building
around the world, from Australia...
573
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,200
Whose lives matter?
CROWD: Black Lives Matter!
574
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,800
..to Paris yesterday,
where 20,000 people protested.
575
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,160
Black Lives Matter!
576
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,280
Meanwhile, back here in the US,
577
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,800
three other officers have
been charged with aiding
578
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,520
and abetting second-degree murder.
579
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,720
Protests in the UK feel like
they're gathering momentum.
580
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,280
Strength of feeling hasn't
yet diminished
581
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,360
and those wanting to
add their voice is growing.
582
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,640
I'd been seeing it build
and it's so interesting,
583
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,320
cos it was, like, building
on WhatsApp
584
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,800
and stuff.
585
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,440
It was very,
very community-level,
586
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,760
in the same way that aunties will
send you chain prayers,
587
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,760
do you get me?
It was coming in like that.
588
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,760
And then you get this sense of
I know the community's going to...
589
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,200
..going to really step out for this.
590
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200
You just kind of feel it,
you know what I mean?
591
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,480
You feel it, like, and maybe that
thread gets tugged a little bit
592
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,240
and it...everyone's,
like, very community ready.
593
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:55,560
It felt like we were focused.
594
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,320
We can't get to where we want to be
if we don't do this right now.
595
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,880
What's his name?
CROWD: George Floyd.
596
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,800
NEWSREADER: It has been a day of
mass demonstrations across the UK.
597
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,920
Thousands took to the streets in
cities across the country
598
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,800
to make their voice heard,
chanting, "Black Lives Matter."
599
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,440
CROWD: Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
600
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,800
Black Lives Matter!
601
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,520
Black Lives Matter!
602
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,520
CHEERING
603
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,080
MUSIC: My Block
by Che Lingo
604
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,920
Silence is violence, no cap.
605
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,400
# Things I know, God forbid
606
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,000
# Probably would've made Jesus cross
607
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,280
# That's my blood, family tree
608
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,159
# No excuse, freedom costs
609
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,679
# Take the risk, make mistakes
610
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:36,280
# Pray I never repeat the loss... #
611
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,320
We kneel together for
eight minutes, 46 seconds.
612
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,719
That's the time it took for
George Floyd to die.
613
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,760
# Do this for my people
614
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,120
# Black don't mean illegal
615
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,560
# They don't know me... #
616
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,239
Earlier in 2020,
I had put out My Block.
617
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,440
I wrote this song for Julian.
618
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,719
# Frustrated
Look at how they got us in papers
619
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,120
# Black boy, black hood,
black trainers
620
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,280
# Judging the cover of that book,
no pages... #
621
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,640
It came from a place
of controlled rage.
622
00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:07,040
I was looking for a way to be able
to say I'm frustrated
623
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,480
without actually losing
my composure.
624
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,920
# And that bird they're serving's
plateless... #
625
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,920
Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
626
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,320
Black Lives Matter!
627
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,680
Around that same time,
we started seeing, like,
628
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,920
videos of people, like,
playing My Block at protests.
629
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:28,760
# No excuse, freedom costs
630
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,440
# Took the risk, made mistakes... #
631
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:31,840
I was grateful.
632
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,960
It actually is used for the thing
that you want it to be used for,
633
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,840
which is help amplify
the voices of people
634
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:40,480
who can't do it for themselves.
635
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,280
We'd managed to make
Julian Cole's situation
636
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:44,800
grab some traffic
on the internet.
637
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,920
This now has had
an effect beyond me.
638
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,640
The movement,
this isn't going to go away.
639
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,560
Thinking about that video of
George Floyd and that experience,
640
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,920
there were moments
in that period of time
641
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,040
where I would
just sit and hysterically sob,
642
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,360
just acknowledging
that things were just shit
643
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,040
and had been shit growing up,
644
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,520
and what the murder of George Floyd
brought out,
645
00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,080
particularly when
I look at kind of, around here,
646
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,520
the things that my friends
and my family were saying
647
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,080
in my local community,
and seeing Facebook posts of,
648
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,760
you know, "If black people
didn't steal and loot,
649
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,880
"then maybe they wouldn't have
a problem," and just...
650
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,080
And these are people who were, like,
651
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,600
some of my closest friends
growing up,
652
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,200
and it was a really pivotal
moment for me.
653
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:45,640
I was starting to acknowledge
that I am a black woman.
654
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,120
Where's the one of me and Jake?
655
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,200
Mum was born
and raised in the Forest of Dean.
656
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,120
My dad is West African Senegalese.
657
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:01,080
Looking at these, there's a complete
flashback to kind of growing up.
658
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,680
My parents separated
when I was quite young,
659
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,320
so I grew up with my mum
and my grandparents
660
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,200
in Gloucestershire.
661
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,760
The school ones. I know, I just...
662
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,200
I mean, yeah, they're re...
They're lovely photos.
663
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,320
They're really cute,
but I just, yeah...
664
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,400
So, is there stuff about school that
I don't maybe know about?
665
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:32,280
This is my old secondary school
leaver's shirt.
666
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,360
It's from kind of old friends,
people I went to school with.
667
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,040
Right across the front of that
shirt says,
668
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,440
"Nigger," that someone's written.
669
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,360
Erm, you've got,
"I love you always, Nigs."
670
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,880
That was, yeah,
my nickname in secondary school.
671
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,840
It started off with my nickname
being Nigger
672
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,040
and then shortened to Nigs
in kind of an endearing term.
673
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,880
You've got,
"Good luck to my favourite Nig."
674
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,560
SHE SIGHS
675
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,040
"Nig nog, golliwog,
give a coon a bone
676
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,640
"This black bitch just
stole my phone."
677
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:07,840
SHE EXHALES
678
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,120
Mm.
679
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,240
Yeah.
PRODUCER: Are you OK?
680
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,080
Yeah. Yeah, no, I'm fine.
681
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,840
Erm...
682
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,520
These are all people that, like,
683
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,280
I considered some of
my closest friends,
684
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,760
that I spent every
single day of my life with,
685
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,880
and there's a real sadness that
that was my reality for so long.
686
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,080
For a group of 16-year-olds,
for this to be the product of, like,
687
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,280
us celebrating leaving school,
688
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,440
I don't know how you can argue
689
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,000
that we don't have an issue with
racism in the UK, looking at that.
690
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,920
The area I live in,
the context in which I grew up in,
691
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,760
the only thing that was
acceptable was to be white.
692
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,200
That was... That's the norm.
693
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,280
That's what the world here
looks like.
694
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,040
I just wanted to be normal,
and being white...
695
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,720
God, I'm going to go now...
696
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,440
Being white was the only thing
that was normal or OK,
697
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,800
and I wasn't that,
so it was kind of how do I...
698
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,320
Yeah, how do
I find my place in this world?
699
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,840
I just didn't want to be
black growing up.
700
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,640
That's how I spent my whole life,
you know?
701
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,760
The murder of George Floyd felt like
a really powerful moment...
702
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,360
..knowing that if it didn't happen
in this moment...
703
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,880
..your life carries on as it was.
704
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,360
Racism is happening all around us.
705
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,640
Take a stand.
706
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,320
If you are white and
you're listening to this right now,
707
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,680
this is your problem too.
708
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,240
The way it was being reported
was very, very different.
709
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:54,880
Like, basically, white people were
shocked, and they'd not really been
710
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,200
shocked by these events previously,
711
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,440
and this has happened so many times.
712
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,240
But this particular time, everybody,
it... Because everybody
713
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:06,440
was still and didn't look away,
714
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,640
it changed the way the air felt.
715
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,000
Even when you went outside,
716
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,960
like, everything felt, like,
electric.
717
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,320
The whole world
was in pain about this one man
718
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,800
and his horrible murder.
719
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,280
On the morning of the protest
in Bristol, I wake up with
720
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,520
this, like, urgency
and this sort of fire.
721
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,960
It's like I need to be there.
722
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,360
I don't think I ever actually
watched the video,
723
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,800
the murder of George Floyd,
but the thing that was being
724
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,320
talked about a lot was the fact
725
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,240
he was asking for his mum.
726
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:49,760
Doesn't matter, like, race doesn't
matter in that situation, does it?
727
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,680
That's just a human
being murdered by another human.
728
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,280
I actually don't know what was going
on for the average white person
729
00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:00,720
in that moment, but I think
every decent human that sees
730
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:05,360
that video is going to feel
something and want to respond.
731
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,080
There was an outpouring
of solidarity, right?
732
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,160
And there was also a recognition
733
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,280
and a response to the fact
that the UK is not innocent.
734
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,200
Anybody who was in the streets,
they were carrying placards.
735
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,560
There was a placard said,
"Colston must fall."
736
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,960
The significance of these statues
here, of Colston,
737
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,240
are largely responsible for a lot
of the slave trade through Bristol
738
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:33,240
so they are just
blocking it off right now.
739
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,160
There wasn't a single person
of colour in my school
740
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,200
and, you know, my mum, I would
never have called her racist
741
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,440
but her partner, my stepdad,
742
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,880
he wouldn't shy away
from saying the N word.
743
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,840
CHEERING
744
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,680
And so, after the murder
of George Floyd,
745
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,800
I suddenly felt
like I'd been blind
746
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,920
and I think that's the awakening.
747
00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,800
It's like the blindfold coming off.
748
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,400
Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
749
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,680
But the main thing that was
capturing my attention
750
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,360
was Bristol's history
751
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,320
with the transatlantic slave trade.
752
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:12,640
Black Lives Matter!
753
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,040
To have in the city centre
the Colston statue,
754
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,320
this awful slave trader,
755
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:25,200
a man who trafficked 85,000
African people,
756
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:28,480
to have that man glorified in the
city centre,
757
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,320
it says he was "the most virtuous
and wise son of the city."
758
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,880
I just got really passionate.
I got really angry
759
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,040
that this could still be
existing now.
760
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,320
So, we get to the statue...
761
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,960
Edward Colston, reviled
for his part in the slave trade.
762
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,040
There has been a growing
campaign in recent years to remove
763
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,880
Colston's name from buildings
across the city.
764
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,600
CHEERING
765
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,720
There's nothing quite like being
in a crowd, feeling the same,
766
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:02,320
and I did a bit of rigging.
767
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,040
I've got a rope in my bag.
768
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:08,000
Take him down! Take him down!
Take him down!
769
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,400
We didn't need to communicate
what was going to happen.
770
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,720
And I remember just having
an anger and passion
771
00:43:19,720 --> 00:43:22,360
about the removal
of this abhorrent man.
772
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,240
CHEERING
773
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,360
There was this Saddam
statue-esque moment,
774
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,040
this cathartic moment.
775
00:43:47,240 --> 00:43:50,560
To see young black men climbing
up on top of that plinth
776
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,960
where this slave trader
had once stood
777
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960
felt like poetic justice.
778
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,400
That statue represents
years of oppression.
779
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,440
It represents years of hurt and just
a lot of hatred that has been
780
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,720
built up inside of us,
that we've internalised for years,
781
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:17,840
and that coming down today
hopefully signifies change.
782
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,560
The Colston statue,
I thought, good for them.
783
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,400
You know, we know
how he made his money.
784
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:49,960
So, I first heard about the Colston
statue live on social media
785
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,360
and my instant reaction was,
this is quite embarrassing.
786
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:58,920
I saw to me what looked like
quite middle-class white people,
787
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:03,320
essentially engaging in an act
of vandalism in the name
788
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,680
of helping black people, people
that they perceive of as victims.
789
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,080
But I actually think it makes it
harder to win over
790
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:16,040
potentially sympathetic
majorities to your cause.
791
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,720
Cast in bronze,
now daubed with graffiti,
792
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:26,040
one of Bristol's most famous sons.
793
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,280
This had begun as a
Black Lives Matter demonstration.
794
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:43,520
Removing statues
and airbrushing out history,
795
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,600
totalitarian regimes do that.
796
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,760
I just think not everything
should be taken down.
797
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,120
So, how many statues
are we going to destroy?
798
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,160
How many buildings do we deface
to make things fit a narrative?
799
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,480
I know, but how can you address
the systemic racism
800
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,160
when you have a giant statue
honouring them?
801
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,520
But not that way.
802
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:04,880
It was just crazy.
803
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,840
So, at the time,
you have Nigel Farage arguing
804
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,560
about BLM
being a Marxist movement.
805
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:18,120
Black Lives Matter is a far-left
Marxist organisation,
806
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,400
whose chief aim is to defund
and close down police forces
807
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,480
so that we would live
under anarchy... Nigel?
808
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,040
Oh, you're full of such
utter nonsense!
809
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,800
Talk shows, radio shows,
Jeremy Vine, all sorts going back
810
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,120
and forth about the merits or not of
something like Black Lives Matter.
811
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,280
And if you say you don't
condone criminal damage,
812
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,760
why are you then justifying it
and saying,
813
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,600
"But criminal damage is OK
providing you feel strongly
814
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:45,520
"enough about the issue"? Because
that's exactly what you're saying.
815
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,760
That's exactly what I'm not saying
and if you'd heard me,
816
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,880
Carole, what I said every single
time was, I do not condone violence.
817
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,280
This was a turning point
at which suddenly a statue
818
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,920
changes people's minds to think
it's not civilised behaviour.
819
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:02,360
That's enough.
820
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,360
You can't erase history
and you haven't solved anything.
821
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:06,600
So what are they going to do?
822
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,080
Take the pyramids down?
Cleopatra's Needle down?
823
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,440
The Coliseum?
824
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,720
It actually became, I think,
825
00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:14,160
one of the most divisive
moments of that summer.
826
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,160
The history of the British Empire
has been brought into focus.
827
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,880
This was sprayed next to the
statue of Winston Churchill.
828
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,640
To many, he's a hero,
but he is a controversial figure.
829
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,360
SHOUTING
830
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,280
I will not support or indulge
those who break the law
831
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:41,440
or attack the police,
or desecrate public monuments
832
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,160
and so I must say clearly that
those who attack public property
833
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,680
or the police,
who injure the police officers
834
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,760
who are trying to keep us all safe,
835
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,520
those people will face
the full force of the law.
836
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,680
This hooliganism is
utterly indefensible.
837
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,400
There is no justification
for attempting to disrespect
838
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:16,720
the Cenotaph or vandalising
the statue of Winston Churchill.
839
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,080
Does the Home Secretary recognise
that there's structural
840
00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,080
inequality, discrimination
and racism in our country?
841
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,080
Does the Home Secretary
recognise that people want to see
842
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,040
action from this government?
843
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,400
Denise emails, "If a slogan
about lives mattering is needed,
844
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:36,520
"then surely All Lives Matter is
the only one acceptable to all."
845
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:41,280
Of course all lives matter,
like, point out the obvious,
846
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,080
but we're here to talk about lives
847
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,040
that are historically
harmed and lost.
848
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,880
All Lives Matter is a slogan used
malevolently by the far-right
849
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,360
to undermine
racial justice movements.
850
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,280
All lives should matter,
not just one, right?
851
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,640
Yeah, exactly,
you fucking spotty-faced bastard.
852
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:02,360
They were waiting for an
opportunity. And defacing Churchill,
853
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,280
well, you know,
all bets are off now.
854
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,400
Why have they come here?
Why have you not moved them on?
855
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,720
Why are they coming antagonising us?
They're antagonising us.
856
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,280
No, no, not everybody.
Fuck off!
857
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,560
This was the direct backlash.
858
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,000
The energy being thrown
back the other way.
859
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,240
Burnley Football Club spoke out
860
00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,280
against the flying of a White
Lives Matter banner at their match
861
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:24,200
against Manchester City yesterday.
862
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,160
White Lives Matter is being used
as turning this into white v black.
863
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,200
I think that the pandemic was
a really significant factor...
864
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,960
Eng-er-land, Eng-er-land!
865
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,520
..and that pandemic confinement.
866
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,440
The fabric of society has changed
completely, right,
867
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,320
because of the lockdown regulations.
868
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,520
People are trying to make sense
of it, people are scared by it,
869
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,120
people are angry about it.
870
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,400
The police are weak.
Boris Johnson doesn't give a shit.
871
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,040
This is our country
and we will not stand by
872
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,360
and watch our monuments
and memorials be vandalised.
873
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,040
At the same time,
874
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:02,960
I don't think progressives were
great at responding to some of those
875
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,320
feelings and some of those worries
and some of that anger,
876
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,760
and I think that that left
a lot of space open
877
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,920
for the right to capitalise.
878
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:16,480
Ah, man, I'm just watching it
and I'm getting so fucking angry.
879
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,240
Just thinking, how the fuck can you
let that happen in our capital city?
880
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,640
BLM, you've done more to break
down race fucking integration
881
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,680
in this country than
anyone's tried to do.
882
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,880
Much more than the
National Front ever done.
883
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,400
Look what you've done!
Look what you're doing!
884
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,600
The divide that you're about
to create in this country
885
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:36,360
is fucking going to be
unrecognisable, and you've done it.
886
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,640
Anyway, next Saturday,
I'll see you all in London.
887
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,760
What were you planning on doing?
Marching up to London.
888
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:47,640
Stop anyone attacking any statues.
889
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,680
That weekend, the word went around,
which was, "Don't go out,"
890
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,200
and so a lot of people didn't
go out, including myself.
891
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,720
I didn't protest that day.
892
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:57,640
Well, there's going to be
trouble, ain't there,
893
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:58,760
between black and white people?
894
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,880
Travelling on the underground...
895
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,040
G'wan, boys! Get out, go on!
896
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,360
..people were just there,
staring at one another.
897
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,360
You know what?
898
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,200
You've had your
five minutes of fame,
899
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:12,720
now fuck off and get out the train.
900
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,160
You could just feel the tension.
901
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:23,200
Go on.
902
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,720
LAUGHTER
903
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,720
Get that? Yay!
904
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,200
Right, good for you! Well done!
905
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,600
One of my friends sent me
the rant from Tommy Robinson.
906
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,360
Tommy Robinson was going to start
a counterprotest with the EDL,
907
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,200
English Defence League.
908
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,960
EDL! EDL!
909
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,640
We just knew, my friends and I,
that we needed to be there.
910
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:55,240
There were going to be young men
from the community going down there
911
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:57,200
to face the far-right
and it wasn't going to be pretty.
912
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,920
At a time when the whole world
is standing up against racism,
913
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,520
if we're not going to protest
because racists are turning up,
914
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,600
it sets a bad precedent.
915
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:10,600
We just felt we could help
to defuse some of it, you know?
916
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:16,120
Eng-er-land, Eng-er-land,
Eng-er-land!
917
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,440
Well, this is the scene
live right now.
918
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,080
Get on your knees!
Get on your knees for me.
919
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:25,280
What we know is that this
is a coalition, really,
920
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:27,400
of far-right groups
like Britain First
921
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,280
and also the Football Lads Alliance.
922
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,840
Well, let's go to some live pictures
now of Trafalgar Square.
923
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,160
Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
924
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,400
Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
925
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,280
I just knew it wasn't going to end
well and I just wanted black people
926
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,520
to stay as far away
from all of that as possible.
927
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,200
The atmosphere here
has turned suddenly toxic.
928
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:05,120
In Trafalgar Square, we see the
far-right guys throwing bottles,
929
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,920
racially abusing BLM protesters.
930
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,360
And what appeared to be a small
group of far-right sympathisers
931
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,040
broke through
into Trafalgar Square.
932
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,320
Oy-oy-oy-oy!
933
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,200
There were skirmishes happening,
clashes, fights.
934
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,440
Things escalating
and getting out of hand.
935
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,920
And then what happened was
the police sort of chaperoned
936
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,600
everybody over towards
Waterloo Station.
937
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:37,040
Fuck EDL! Fuck EDL!
Fuck EDL! Fuck EDL!
938
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,680
This is actually Black Lives Matter
that's causing this.
939
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,440
It's Antifa, the anti...they're
fascists.
940
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:46,200
The antifascists. They're the reason
why people are here today.
941
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:56,560
And we are getting reports now
942
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,880
that there have been several clashes
at Waterloo Station.
943
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:02,920
The EDL far-right guys,
944
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:05,760
they run off and
they leave one guy.
945
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,760
He looks concussed and he's, you
know, sort of staggering around.
946
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,520
Some BLM supporters
start to descend on him.
947
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:17,760
My friends and I,
we rushed over there.
948
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,680
I wasn't just going to stand
and watch it unfold.
949
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,880
You know, I had the power to do
something about it
950
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,440
right there and then, and I did.
951
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,400
Amidst so many ugly images,
so much hatred and so much division,
952
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,800
there was one that offered hope.
953
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,360
Two hours afterwards,
I had a message from my sister.
954
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:46,960
It said, "Bruv, is this you?"
955
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,880
And she said, "It's going viral."
956
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,200
That's when I realised
this is a big story.
957
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,680
So I said to her, like,
"Don't tell Mum."
958
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,640
I didn't expect to get caught
on camera, full stop. You know?
959
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,720
I mean, I guess
I should have known better,
960
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,000
but I didn't expect it
to go viral.
961
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,840
Not globally, anyway.
962
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,800
When I saw the photo,
in that moment my mind said,
963
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,640
"Look, I'm going to treat
this man like a human
964
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,000
"because that's how
I want to be treated.
965
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,240
"I can see this guy's injured.
Let me help him out."
966
00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:17,160
That humanity, I think, is the core
note at the heart of everything
967
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,440
that happened, and that's
what makes it a symbolic image.
968
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,640
Living in rural Britain,
you experience a lot of racism
969
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:38,520
and we don't talk about diversity,
we don't talk about difference.
970
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,640
But now that was happening,
I felt really inspired by that.
971
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:46,080
It gave me a bit of hope that
I have moved through my life
972
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,280
not being vocal enough and here's
an opportunity for me to do so,
973
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:51,960
and I can do it somewhere where
974
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,840
nobody ever talks
about these things.
975
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,440
So I text my friend, Eleni,
shall we do a protest in the forest?
976
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,200
And she was like, "Oh, my God, yes."
977
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,560
So, yeah, it started off
from a text.
978
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,600
So we called the Town Clerk
979
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:11,280
and then I think within
like an hour or so,
980
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,480
we were given the go-ahead to run
a demonstration from Bathurst Park.
981
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,280
And we were like,
"Right, what's next on our list?"
982
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,160
We kind of went through
all these things we needed to do
983
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:24,000
and we were like, "Great,
we make a Facebook group next."
984
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,560
Like, we start advertising.
985
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,360
We'll just invite all of
the people that we know.
986
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,000
You know, people are going to think,
"Great, this is brilliant,"
987
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,000
like, "Let's get on board,"
and people started sharing it
988
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,520
and, you know, we got quite a lot
of traction quite quickly on the
989
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,960
Facebook group. And we were like,
"God," like, "This is going well."
990
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,280
Forest of Dean, Black Lives Matter
demonstration.
991
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:48,080
But then, there is a problem because
it started quite public outrage.
992
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:55,520
A petition had been created trying
to oppose the demonstration
993
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,200
going ahead, for the concerns
around Covid,
994
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,440
and then the Council
sent us a letter
995
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,400
and they'd made the decision
to cancel the event.
996
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,360
"I feel I can
speak for all of the Council
997
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,600
"and the overwhelming majority
of Lydney residents to say that we
998
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,960
"all support the underlying aims
of the Black Lives Matter campaign
999
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,920
"and therefore indeed the wider
sense that All Lives Matter.
1000
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,720
"I'm calling on the organisers
to show due respect for Lydney
1001
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:24,040
"and that indeed 'All Lives Matter'
to cancel or at least postpone
1002
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,360
"your event as it demonstrates
respect for all lives."
1003
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,600
So, yeah, I think
we just put a post up that said,
1004
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:34,600
"This event is now cancelled.
1005
00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:36,480
"Please see the letter
attached below."
1006
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,560
And within about an hour
of posting it,
1007
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:40,880
someone from the Guardian
reached out.
1008
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,360
The Council had been
backing the celebration
1009
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,280
and then the sentiment changed
and one councillor, I think,
1010
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,840
resigned in protest.
1011
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,000
And it's just...it's a real
microcosm in some ways
1012
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,480
of what was unfolding
in the rest of Britain,
1013
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,640
one side very impassioned, and the
other feeling threatened by it.
1014
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,480
I think we must have spoken
to the Guardian that evening
1015
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:05,160
and then it was picked up
by the BBC.
1016
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:08,760
"Our top story tonight..."
and I was just like, "Oh, my God!"
1017
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,320
Welcome to BBC Points West
on this Friday evening.
1018
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,520
Our main story tonight, the town
divided over Black Lives Matter.
1019
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:21,600
You know, racism is not something
that is recognised in this area.
1020
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,800
You shouldn't go around accusing
people that don't agree with you
1021
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,280
of being racist.
1022
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,160
Yeah, I mean, it's...
1023
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,200
..a poor choice of words at best.
1024
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,720
It's offensive at worst.
1025
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:41,040
It speaks to how much of a problem
this is in the area
1026
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,640
that I live in, because that's
your councillors that have said
1027
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,640
that "All Lives Matter"
three times in a letter.
1028
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,760
If you're going to underline
three times "All Lives Matter",
1029
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,320
which is a statement
that's used by the far-right,
1030
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:57,200
you've already aligned yourself
not on the side of racial justice.
1031
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,600
The Council said the event was
causing anxiety among residents,
1032
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,400
but the organisers believe
the rejection has racial overtones.
1033
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:08,400
It was just everywhere and I think,
you know, as soon as a news
1034
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:13,320
outlet posted something on their
Twitter and their, like, website,
1035
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:19,080
I was getting a kind of barrage of
abuse, comments, overt racial slurs,
1036
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:23,960
threatening to follow me home,
or that they wanted to kill me.
1037
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:27,560
There was websites that were set
up at that point, that still
1038
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:31,280
exist now, that are like,
KhadyGueyeisacunt.com.
1039
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:36,600
So, these are from the
KhadyGueyeisacunt.com website.
1040
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:40,000
"As atonement for the slave trade,
we should take immediate steps
1041
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,120
"to make things right for those
who don't feel welcome.
1042
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,600
"We can start by selling this cunt
back to the Africans.
1043
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,960
"A sort of reverse slave trade,
if you will."
1044
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:50,240
Someone else said, "I would fuck
it as long as she called me Master
1045
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:54,720
"while I was banging away, then drop
it off in deepest, darkest Africa."
1046
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,040
I just don't unders... I can't
get my head round it and I mean,
1047
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,360
I suppose, in a sense,
1048
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,920
I suppose that it's so awful
1049
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:05,400
that you kind of almost
block it out.
1050
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:06,960
Which I do understand,
1051
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,080
but I think the privilege you get to
turn away from it that I don't get.
1052
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,920
I will never not be black,
and I think...
1053
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,400
I know, cos I know
part of who I am is
1054
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,000
I'm not very good at challenging,
1055
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,840
cos you remember you said to me,
"You need to do better, Mum."
1056
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:26,320
Sounds so brutal
when you put it like that.
1057
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,720
No, but it was tough, it was tough.
Yeah.
1058
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,840
I was really shocked
when you said it to me.
1059
01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:35,800
It was really tough
1060
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:39,600
and I was in a really
dark place, I think,
1061
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:41,120
at that moment in time.
1062
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,280
But I think the Council,
1063
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,680
they did face a lot
of backlash for that letter.
1064
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:51,040
They had a vote and they voted
to change their decision
1065
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,680
and the protest was allowed
to go ahead.
1066
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:57,560
You know, people were accusing
the Council, the Mayor, councillors,
1067
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:02,360
of being racist, and that isn't
a good look for a local council,
1068
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,000
so I think a lot
of their change of heart
1069
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,480
was around the optics.
1070
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,360
On the day of the protest,
just seeing the number of people
1071
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,640
was so supportive and I think
really acknowledging
1072
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,160
how serious this problem is.
1073
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:24,960
It was an incredible experience.
1074
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,080
..says only white people
can fix racism.
1075
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:33,000
My colour is not my problem.
1076
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,600
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1077
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:42,160
Like, the racist abuse and threats,
it's been difficult, but I think,
1078
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,520
for us, it's become so much more
than we ever thought it would be.
1079
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,880
It was something
we were passionate about before,
1080
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:51,320
but I think now it's something
that means ten times more to us.
1081
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:52,720
Hello.
1082
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,040
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
1083
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:56,840
Black Lives...
Matter!
1084
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,600
Black Lives...
1085
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,200
Just being there in that moment
and watching that all play out,
1086
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:03,400
it's one of my proudest moments.
1087
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,440
Yeah, it made everything
feel worth it.
1088
01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:12,160
During that time, in the
middle of the summer of 2020,
1089
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:15,480
the protests dwindled,
and they got smaller,
1090
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,320
but the energy was still there,
the energy was the same.
1091
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,520
All right, guys.
1092
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,480
And it just felt like people
were changing
1093
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:28,000
and their opinions were changing.
1094
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,040
Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
1095
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,000
Black Lives Matter!
1096
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:34,920
By the time it got to the
end of June, July, everyone started
1097
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:38,720
to refer to activism as, like,
this new thing now that we're all
1098
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,880
going to be a part of,
we're all going to be activists
1099
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:43,040
in some way or another.
1100
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,720
Black Lives Matter!
Black Lives Matter!
1101
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,360
Why are you wearing it?
You're not dressed for summer.
1102
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,680
Cos I wear anything I want,
man, I wear anything I want.
1103
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:51,880
What's wrong with you?
1104
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:53,640
You're not dressed for the climate
today, it's very warm.
1105
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:55,360
What do you mean, the climate?
Who...
1106
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,840
After the murder of George Floyd
and the Black Lives Matter protest,
1107
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:03,120
any incident involving the Met
and people of colour,
1108
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,800
they were becoming viral incidents.
1109
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,640
The other police officer asked me
where I live, where I was going.
1110
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,360
That's also none of your business.
1111
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:11,480
Yeah, I'm not...
1112
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,680
It's none of your...
Do you understand that?
1113
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:15,960
They were becoming issues
of public confidence
1114
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:20,400
and there was a different level
of media interest in it as well.
1115
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:23,560
For instance, the stop and search
of Bianca Williams
1116
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,600
and Ricardo dos Santos.
1117
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:27,080
Wait, wait, wait!
1118
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,400
Why are you doing this?
What you doing?
1119
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,480
That's my home, bro!
What you doing? I'm at home!
1120
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:33,000
This is my home,
this is my...
1121
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,280
This is the moment that British
sprinter Bianca Williams,
1122
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,200
her partner and three-month-old baby
were stopped and searched by police.
1123
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,400
He's just been detained
for a search.
1124
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,080
For what? For what?
Don't, why are you touching me?
1125
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:45,880
My son is in the car! OK, madam,
we're going to look after your son.
1126
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,120
My son is in the car!
I don't want you to look after him.
1127
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:49,560
My son is in the car!
1128
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,960
So just calm down,
we'll look after your son for you.
1129
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,760
I know all of those statistics,
and they are horrific.
1130
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:08,160
And that is the exemplar
of policing, over-policing
1131
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,560
and under-protecting
minority communities.
1132
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:15,280
And it's so well known, I think it's
actually quite difficult for anyone
1133
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:19,240
to argue that disproportionality,
overrepresentation in the
1134
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,400
criminal justice system is not
an absolute fact in this country.
1135
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,000
You're detained in a Section One
of PACE, it's a search for weapons.
1136
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:27,040
We're both professional athletes,
bro.
1137
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,480
Why don't you act like one, then?
1138
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:29,960
Huh?
Act like one, then.
1139
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:31,280
I don't need to act like one.
For what reason?
1140
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,480
You're detained under Section One of
PACE, OK? It's a search for weapons.
1141
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,080
For what reason?
I did not act suspicious.
1142
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:38,720
Policing in this country
definitely has a problem,
1143
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:43,240
policing both black and Asian
ethnic minority communities
1144
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:46,920
when the vast majority
of the police force is white,
1145
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,160
the majority of it is male.
1146
01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,640
It has a lack of understanding
1147
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,280
and empathy with the issue of race.
1148
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaking yesterday,
Mr Johnson said that as a leader,
1149
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,520
he could not sit back
and ignore what was going on.
1150
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,480
The British Prime Minister
acknowledged
1151
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:04,240
that much more needed to be done
to tackle the issue.
1152
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,640
My job at the time was just
to find a way
1153
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,840
to help the government
to respond.
1154
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,480
The discussions with
the Prime Minister were mainly
1155
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:15,360
focused on, how do we respond?
1156
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,880
And the Prime Minister's concerns
around the strength of feeling
1157
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:22,040
amongst the public,
particularly the black population,
1158
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:26,280
and he is wondering what he as Prime
Minister could or should be doing.
1159
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:28,720
Boris Johnson's announced
that a commission will be
1160
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:31,960
established to examine all
aspects of inequality in the UK.
1161
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,600
We have to look at discrimination
in the education system,
1162
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,640
in the criminal justice system.
1163
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,160
We have to look at all
ways in which it affects black
1164
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,680
and minority ethnic groups.
1165
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,720
A new cross-governmental commission
to look at what is going on,
1166
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,520
and what I really want to do
as Prime Minister
1167
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,080
is change the narrative so it's...
1168
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,760
..so we stop the sense of
victimisation and discrimination.
1169
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,800
We stop the discrimination,
we stamp out racism.
1170
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:59,400
Now I'm in this building
1171
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,280
and there are people who have very
strong views on race relations,
1172
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,840
institutional racism, the use
of the term. Very strong views.
1173
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:10,000
They think, you know, the race
relations industry has gone too far
1174
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,320
and there's overreach,
and, you know,
1175
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:14,320
they don't speak for the majority,
etc.
1176
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:17,200
I have a slightly different view,
1177
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,000
because I feel like I don't have to
agree with everybody
1178
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:23,200
that I serve, and so,
my feeling was,
1179
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:25,800
it makes a lot of sense
to take stock.
1180
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,320
Let's see what the evidence says.
1181
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,360
And so there was myself,
and Munira Mirza,
1182
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:33,320
the Head of the Policy Unit at the
time,
1183
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,880
and Kemi Badenoch,
a junior minister.
1184
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,160
The three of us were responsible
1185
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,680
for trying to put together
this commission.
1186
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:43,880
And then the Chair is...
1187
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,440
Appointment of the Chair was where
things were maybe slightly more...
1188
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,360
..challenging. For me.
1189
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:53,960
My view was we needed somebody
that would be willing
1190
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,800
to follow the evidence.
1191
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,640
But for my other two colleagues,
there was only one option,
1192
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,600
and that was...that was Tony.
1193
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,280
Dr Tony Sewell. He has
previously rejected evidence
1194
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:07,640
of institutional racism in
schools as "flimsy",
1195
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,280
and has said that black boys
were being held back
1196
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:14,080
because of what he called
"their over-feminised upbringing".
1197
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:15,320
Well, I was very clear.
1198
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:17,680
I said, "Tony's a good guy,
but he shouldn't be a chair
1199
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:19,360
"because of the things he's
said in the past."
1200
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:22,360
Do you think you were hired
to do this job
1201
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:26,360
to confirm the views
that already exist in Number 10?
1202
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,600
There's a kind of perception
out there that this report
1203
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,400
is going to be some kind of
1204
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,520
right-wing whitewash about...around
race.
1205
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,440
You know, there are issues
around crime and policing but,
1206
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:41,560
on the whole, the picture is, for
those areas, is one of improvement.
1207
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:46,000
But my other colleagues, their worry
was the Chair that was going to,
1208
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,240
for example, conclude that the
UK is institutionally racist,
1209
01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:53,080
would that be palatable for...for
them,
1210
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,600
or...or even for the administration?
1211
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:57,800
I really wanted us
to have a fresh start,
1212
01:07:57,800 --> 01:08:01,240
commissioners who haven't done
this sort of review before.
1213
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,200
There must be no jumping to
conclusions,
1214
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,880
and I think that that's absolutely
what we're going to get.
1215
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,120
For me, it was very important
that I had nothing to do with...
1216
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:12,920
..whatever happened next.
1217
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:17,200
The Prime Minister's senior
adviser on ethnic minorities,
1218
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,479
Samuel Kasumu, is to stand down.
1219
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,520
News of his departure
comes the day after
1220
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,240
the publication of a
government-commissioned report
1221
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:27,920
on race that has been heavily
criticised by campaigners.
1222
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,359
PROTESTERS: Black Lives Matter!
1223
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,680
After all the calls
for black lives to matter,
1224
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:35,319
the answer came that all
the accounts we've heard
1225
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:40,960
of discrimination do not tell
the tale of a racist country -
1226
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:45,720
that there is no proof
of institutional racism in the UK.
1227
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,240
It points to social class,
1228
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:49,040
geography and family set-up
1229
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,240
as more important factors in life
than race,
1230
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:55,399
arguing that the UK should be held
up as a model
1231
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:57,720
for other white-majority countries.
1232
01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:00,359
This distinguished group
was tasked with reviewing
1233
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:02,920
inequality in the UK,
and they focused on education,
1234
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,560
employment, crime and policing,
and health.
1235
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,680
The report does not deny that
institutional racism exists
1236
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,640
in the UK. Rather, the report did
not find conclusive evidence of it
1237
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,760
in the specific areas it examined.
1238
01:09:17,520 --> 01:09:20,439
I'm a big defender
of the Sewell Report.
1239
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:23,160
I think people will say that the
government was trying
1240
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,880
to put forward their own agenda.
1241
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:29,680
Now I think, actually, the
government was attempting to find
1242
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:33,000
the real answers to the problems
that were being raised.
1243
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,880
I mean, what I can say is that
1244
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,640
we don't need a commission
or a review to tell us
1245
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,560
that suspicionless stop-and-search
should be repealed.
1246
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,560
They're just letting
the government get away with
1247
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,479
looking like the government
is doing something
1248
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:51,200
and taking you seriously
without actually doing anything.
1249
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:55,760
The report came
out around the time of April Fool's.
1250
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:57,920
Morning, guys.
Morning. Morning, my slime.
1251
01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,360
How's the race report going?
1252
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,280
Er, yeah, good. We've been having
a bit of a brainstorm.
1253
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,160
A BAME-storm.
1254
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,160
THEY LAUGH
1255
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,160
You know, if you have to do a race
report,
1256
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,400
it means there's a problem with
race,
1257
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:09,440
if you have to commission
a report.
1258
01:10:09,440 --> 01:10:11,400
And we've decided to be more
inclusive
1259
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,280
by renaming Big Ben, "Tall Tunde."
1260
01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,120
BIG BEN CHIMES AND DISTORTS
1261
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:17,160
April Fool's!
1262
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,920
You try and create laughter
so that the real pain
1263
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,240
and the actual bitterness
of the issue,
1264
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,960
you're sort of shielded against it.
1265
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:27,880
Er, no, but we've done the report
and we found that there is
1266
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,440
no evidence for institutional
racism in Britain.
1267
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:33,800
Ah!
1268
01:10:31,480 --> 01:10:33,800
HE LAUGHS
1269
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,480
April Fool's!
1270
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,920
Yeah, that, that one is true.
Yeah, that is.
1271
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,280
HE LAUGHS WEAKLY
1272
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:43,600
What?
1273
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,960
It truly felt
like an April Fool's joke.
1274
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:48,320
You know, it's a huge
slap in the face
1275
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,040
of everyone who has had, you know,
1276
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:54,200
real, life-defining racism
in their life here in Britain,
1277
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:56,400
to be told it doesn't exist.
1278
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,560
REPORTER: Once again, the eyes
of the world are on Minneapolis,
1279
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,480
the city braced for the trial
of the former police officer
1280
01:11:13,480 --> 01:11:16,520
accused of murdering George Floyd,
1281
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,840
tense in the knowledge this will be
a defining moment for America.
1282
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,280
Today starts a landmark trial.
1283
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:33,880
There will be a referendum
on equality and justice for all.
1284
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:36,400
No justice!
ALL: No peace!
1285
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,880
No justice! ALL: No peace!
1286
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,520
Almost a year after the world was
shocked by the video
1287
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:45,000
of George Floyd's death, the police
officer seen kneeling on his neck
1288
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,080
is standing trial in Minnesota's
first trial to be televised live.
1289
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:53,440
No justice! ALL: No peace!
No justice! ALL: No peace!
1290
01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:56,680
For many, this trial will be
a defining moment
1291
01:11:56,680 --> 01:11:59,120
for race relations in America -
1292
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:02,720
the outcome uncertain
and the stakes high.
1293
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:05,480
Chauvin is in the courtroom.
1294
01:12:05,480 --> 01:12:08,600
The family goes in this court
seeking justice
1295
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,800
for all of us in America.
1296
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,360
There was a lot of uncertainty,
1297
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:19,120
whether or not a jury would see
value in the life of George Floyd
1298
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:23,720
and would see criminal conduct
at the hands of Derek Chauvin.
1299
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:29,920
There is no guarantee that
because an officer kills someone,
1300
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,800
that it's caught on camera,
1301
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:33,800
that there are witnesses,
1302
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:36,560
that there will be justice
and accountability.
1303
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:40,760
Have you made a decision, uh, today,
whether you intend to testify
1304
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,680
or whether you intend to invoke
your Fifth Amendment privilege?
1305
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,200
Er, I will invoke my Fifth Amendment
privilege today.
1306
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,800
The defendant has the right
not to testify.
1307
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,440
I just sat there
and just stared at him.
1308
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:57,920
And I seen him with my...his
knee on my nephew's neck.
1309
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:00,440
I seen my nephew
begging for his life,
1310
01:13:00,440 --> 01:13:01,920
and he's just sitting there.
1311
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,160
He's destroyed a lot of lives
because of his act of aggression.
1312
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:11,480
We plan to prove to you
beyond a reasonable doubt
1313
01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:13,960
that Mr Chauvin was anything
other than innocent.
1314
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,360
It's a case that's going to be
important to America
1315
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:20,640
and our discussion around systemic
issues and around equal justice.
1316
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,120
We're going to ask that you find
him guilty of murder
1317
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,640
in the second degree,
1318
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,080
murder in the third degree
and second-degree manslaughter.
1319
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,800
It was important,
in the opening statement...
1320
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,920
You will hear him say,
"Tell my kids I love 'em."
1321
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,400
..for the jurors to feel
the humanity.
1322
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:41,320
You will be able to hear Mr Floyd
saying, "Please, I can't breathe."
1323
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,200
"Please, man, please."
1324
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,240
And I figured not much
needed to be said.
1325
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:46,720
You just see it for yourself.
1326
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,520
Please, the knee on my neck,
I can't breathe shit.
1327
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,600
You will hear Mr Floyd
as he's crying out.
1328
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,760
You will hear his voice get heavier.
1329
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,720
You will hear his words
further apart.
1330
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:08,120
You will see that his respiration
gets shallower and shallower.
1331
01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,280
Well, you got him down, man.
Let him breathe, at least, man.
1332
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:11,480
I can't breathe.
1333
01:14:11,480 --> 01:14:14,280
Those videos were critical.
1334
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,160
Critically important.
1335
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,680
When the ambulance arrived,
he was not responsive
1336
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:23,400
and the defendant had to know what
was right beneath him.
1337
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,960
And when you see it,
1338
01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,440
just sort of that feeling
that you get,
1339
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:33,240
that understanding that something
terribly wrong is happening,
1340
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:37,280
that was something that we wanted
to get out right away.
1341
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,480
George Floyd begged
until he could speak no more,
1342
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:42,600
and the defendant continued.
1343
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:46,120
And so we settled on the theme of
"believe your eyes".
1344
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:50,520
This case is exactly what you
thought when you saw it first,
1345
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:51,920
when you saw that video.
1346
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,160
It is exactly that.
You can believe your eyes.
1347
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:56,880
It was important the jury believe,
1348
01:14:56,880 --> 01:15:00,720
because we knew that that
was our best evidence.
1349
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:07,240
And it's very difficult to convict
a police officer of wrongdoing.
1350
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:10,480
Think of the Rodney King case -
1351
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:14,120
an assault captured on video,
with an acquittal.
1352
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:18,640
We, the jury, find the defendant not
guilty of the crime of assault.
1353
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:22,000
Because they were somehow able to
convince this jury
1354
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,120
that they didn't need to believe
their eyes.
1355
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:28,720
And we really wanted to make
sure that that didn't happen here.
1356
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,560
This wasn't policing.
1357
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,200
This was murder.
1358
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:35,240
The defendant is guilty
of all three counts.
1359
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:38,400
All of them.
1360
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,440
The defence was first
trying to argue
1361
01:15:42,440 --> 01:15:45,040
that this was a justified
use of force.
1362
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:48,200
I felt that Derek Chauvin
was justified,
1363
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:51,720
was acting with objective
reasonableness,
1364
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:55,040
following Minneapolis Police
Department policy.
1365
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,520
Derek Chauvin did exactly what
he had been trained to do
1366
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,800
over the course of
his 19-year career.
1367
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,080
And that is why
we wanted Chief Arradondo
1368
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:08,000
to be particularly compelling
and brave.
1369
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:14,720
Chief Arradondo, he had to make
the decision on whether or not he,
1370
01:16:14,720 --> 01:16:17,680
in some ways,
broke that blue wall of silence.
1371
01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:22,400
When do you believe...or do you
have a belief as to when this...
1372
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,640
I felt that this...was a moment...
1373
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:27,440
It has to be objectively reasonable.
1374
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:30,520
..where there was a moral
obligation to speak out.
1375
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:32,160
So I did.
1376
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:37,680
Once Mr Floyd had stopped resisting,
and clearly when Mr Floyd
1377
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,680
was no longer responsive,
1378
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:44,560
to continue to apply
that level of force -
1379
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,960
that, in no way, shape or
form, is anything that is by policy.
1380
01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:50,960
It is not part of our training,
1381
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,160
and it is certainly not part of
our ethics or our values.
1382
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:59,840
Mr Floyd was pleading that one
person wearing a uniform
1383
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:01,800
that day would come to his aid.
1384
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:04,120
And we failed him.
1385
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,480
REPORTER: Prosecutors say Chauvin
betrayed his badge
1386
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:07,880
when he used excessive force.
1387
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,480
Because human behaviour is
unpredictable.
1388
01:17:10,480 --> 01:17:13,520
Chauvin's lawyers have argued that
Floyd's death was really
1389
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:17,120
an overdose caused by the fentanyl
found in his blood.
1390
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,600
The toxicology, the fentanyl
and methamphetamine,
1391
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:25,480
all of those combined to cause
Mr Floyd's death.
1392
01:17:25,480 --> 01:17:29,200
Did some of the drugs in his system
have something to do with it?
1393
01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:30,320
Did it play a role?
1394
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:34,240
Maybe, but certainly was not
the actual cause of his death.
1395
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:39,360
What today remains your opinion
as to the cause of death?
1396
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,080
That's cardiopulmonary arrest,
1397
01:17:41,080 --> 01:17:43,240
complicating law enforcement
subdual restraint
1398
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:44,800
and neck compression.
1399
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,280
GAYLE KING: ..with closing arguments
all set today
1400
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,920
in the trial of former
police officer Derek Chauvin...
1401
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:55,520
The State has failed to prove its
case beyond a reasonable doubt.
1402
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:58,760
No justice!
GROUP: No peace!
1403
01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,920
PRESENTER: After they hear closing
arguments, Jamie,
1404
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,600
what are the next
steps for the jurors?
1405
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:03,920
They will be sequestered.
1406
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:07,040
That means no contact
with the outside world.
1407
01:18:09,680 --> 01:18:11,640
And how sweet it is to
come out on the day
1408
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:17,040
where we may turn this country
around with a guilty verdict.
1409
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:20,120
INDISTINCT CHANTING
1410
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,080
PROTESTERS: All three counts!
1411
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:30,520
All three counts!
All three counts!
1412
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,480
When the verdict was going
to be read...
1413
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,080
Please, be seated.
1414
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,840
Members of the jury,
I understand you have a verdict.
1415
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:46,920
..I get into the courtroom and one
of the family members was there.
1416
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,240
I just remember thinking to myself
as I saw him, "What in the world
1417
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:56,880
"am I going to tell this person if
the verdict comes back not guilty?"
1418
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,280
SOUND ON TANNOY:
Members of the jury,
1419
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:07,440
I will now read the verdicts as they
will appear in the permanent records
1420
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:08,760
of the Fourth Judicial District.
1421
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,480
The State of Minnesota plaintiff
1422
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:13,160
versus Derek Michael Chauvin,
defendant.
1423
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:19,560
Verdict, count one,
court file number 27, CR2012646.
1424
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,400
"We the jury in the above entitled
matter, as to count one,
1425
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:26,640
"unintentional second-degree murder
while committing a felony,
1426
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,960
"find the defendant guilty."
1427
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,240
CHEERING
1428
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:36,760
"We, the jury, in the above entitled
matter, as to count two,
1429
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,920
"third-degree murder, perpetrating
an eminently dangerous act,
1430
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:41,320
"find the defendant guilty."
1431
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:42,800
CHEERING
1432
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:50,080
"Verdict, count three,
second-degree manslaughter,
1433
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,760
"culpable negligence,
find the defendant guilty."
1434
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:55,400
Guilty! Guilty!
1435
01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:57,600
CHEERING
1436
01:20:00,040 --> 01:20:05,080
I cried tears of joy and
thankfulness.
1437
01:20:05,080 --> 01:20:07,480
We were triumphant.
1438
01:20:07,480 --> 01:20:12,280
I feel vindicated but I also feel
emboldened, because today
1439
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:16,000
the Black Lives Matter movement
served notice on you that,
1440
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:20,240
going forward, if you take our
lives, there will be consequences.
1441
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,560
Say his name! George Floyd!
Say his name! George Floyd!
1442
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,760
I didn't cry, I didn't holler, I
didn't scream, I didn't do anything.
1443
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,080
I knew that that was just the right
thing, so in my mind, OK,
1444
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,760
we can move on from this.
1445
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:35,400
Yeah, this is done.
1446
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:36,440
This part's done.
1447
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:42,200
We knew that the verdict was not
going to ever
1448
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,240
bring back George Floyd.
1449
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:45,640
We're adjourned.
1450
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,880
But it was a symbol of hope
that we can fight back
1451
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:54,760
against an oppressive system
and get some measure of justice.
1452
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:06,160
I know people who have been
killed by the police.
1453
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,560
I've never seen an officer
get that much time.
1454
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,040
It is a kind of relief
1455
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:20,520
and a releasing for all the people
who didn't get to hear "Guilty."
1456
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,760
And then,
1457
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,520
keeping with the George Floyd
case...
1458
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:42,280
REPORTER: In convicting PC Monk,
1459
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:46,480
the jury rejected his claim that
he'd used reasonable force.
1460
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:49,400
..you see the conviction
of a British cop...
1461
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,600
REPORTER: Anything to say to the
family, Mr Monk?
1462
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:55,120
..for killing Dalian Atkinson,
the former footballer.
1463
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,160
It felt like a huge moment.
1464
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:00,800
Benjamin Monk's the first police
officer convicted
1465
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:05,160
of manslaughter while on duty
in England and Wales in 35 years.
1466
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:09,920
In terms of what's shifted with
the police, in terms of race,
1467
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,280
police potentially understand
themselves
1468
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:14,520
as being under far more scrutiny.
1469
01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:20,320
But Dalian Atkinson, that verdict
of manslaughter is...
1470
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:22,120
It's a rare one.
1471
01:22:22,120 --> 01:22:23,800
Two officers are concerned here,
1472
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:26,360
and one of those officers
is now in prison. And I think
1473
01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:30,400
it can help to reinforce
this sort of "one bad apple"
1474
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:35,640
perception of police violence,
and therefore the norm is OK,
1475
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:40,960
when, actually, the norm
of policing is the problem.
1476
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,400
It's not a few bad apples
1477
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:48,320
and simply locking up officers
that get caught going too far.
1478
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:51,840
It's not going to stop it
from happening again and again.
1479
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,680
So, the thing about policing is,
1480
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,760
policing only ever changes
when there's been a catastrophe.
1481
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,120
So, after George Floyd,
I went to Chiefs' Council
1482
01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:03,840
in December 2021 to say to them,
1483
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:07,120
"You have got to use this moment to
admit we are still
1484
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,000
"institutionally racist, apologise
for it
1485
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,640
"and then launch the plan saying
1486
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,640
"you're going to do something about
it."
1487
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:15,560
And, in January, I was told the
Chief Constables
1488
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:17,080
had voted against me.
1489
01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:19,600
And that's when I decided
to retire.
1490
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,160
Well, one possibility...
1491
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:41,520
..is that it doesn't matter enough
1492
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,280
to the people
who can make it change.
1493
01:23:57,480 --> 01:23:59,520
They took a man's potential
away from him,
1494
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:02,520
and that is nobody's fault
but theirs.
1495
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,800
And the fact that no-one was held
accountable for it directly...
1496
01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:08,720
..I just don't think that's fair.
1497
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,360
Everything always feel fragile.
1498
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:22,040
And I think that was a moment,
1499
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:26,360
and there was a moment where we
took charge of the narrative,
1500
01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:30,240
and look how resentful people
have been about it.
1501
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:34,760
Like, "How dare they?" Yes.
1502
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,840
"How dare they
say that they matter?" Mm.
1503
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,320
There's quite a lot of that,
I feel, in the last few years.
1504
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:42,960
There's quite a lot of, like...
The eye rolling.
1505
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:45,240
"Isn't this over?"
It's like, "You tell me."
1506
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:47,640
How does that make you feel?
1507
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,320
Really pissed off.
Frustrated and exhausted.
1508
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,440
And angry. It pisses me off.
It makes me angry.
1509
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:58,400
The backlash is about ideas
and about an understanding
1510
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:02,600
of what norms we are expected
to accept, you know?
1511
01:25:02,600 --> 01:25:05,800
But the authoritarian lean towards
1512
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:09,120
attempting to shut down these
conversations now,
1513
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,680
I just feel like you can't really
1514
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:12,520
put the feathers back
into the pillowcase.
1515
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:16,200
At the end of the day,
like, the minds have been changed.
1516
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:19,520
Backlashes don't erase legacies.
1517
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,440
I think it's about recognising
how much that moment in time
1518
01:25:22,440 --> 01:25:27,360
impacted so many people, but I
think my personal experience is
1519
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:32,120
the severity of that level of
racism has got significantly worse.
1520
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:35,960
I'd been out with some friends.
1521
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:38,840
I was approached by a man
who I didn't know.
1522
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,880
It quite quickly moved into,
you know, "Where are you from?
1523
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,240
"Where are you really from?"
1524
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,120
You know, "Black people will
never be British."
1525
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:48,520
I think the phrase he used was, erm,
1526
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,200
"Pigs that are born in stables
don't grow up to be horses."
1527
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:56,400
And then, yeah, he came
back 20 minutes later with a gun
1528
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,400
and a knife
and pointed it in my face.
1529
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:05,000
We've ended the tyranny
of so-called diversity,
1530
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,840
equity and inclusion policies,
1531
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:12,000
and our country
will be woke no longer.
1532
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,840
We have not ever been able
to escape this notion
1533
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:22,640
that we go three steps and then
we're pushed ten steps backwards.
1534
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:25,160
We've stopped all government
censorship
1535
01:26:25,160 --> 01:26:28,800
and brought back
free speech in America.
1536
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,480
It's back.
1537
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:31,480
CHEERING
1538
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:34,280
There is one person that
President Trump should pardon
1539
01:26:34,280 --> 01:26:36,640
from federal charges forthwith.
That person is Derek Chauvin.
1540
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:40,120
Elon Musk commented on X,
"Something to think about."
1541
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,400
There will always be forces that
will seek to diminish us
1542
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,480
and stifle us and keep us in our
place,
1543
01:26:49,480 --> 01:26:52,680
but resistance requires
that we rise up.
1544
01:26:54,040 --> 01:26:57,280
Any black person can put themselves
in that situation and think,
1545
01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,520
"What if that had been me?
1546
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:03,320
"What if that was my husband or my
brother, or my uncle, or my father?"
1547
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:05,400
And if this could happen to
George Floyd
1548
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:09,360
under these circumstances, over
an alleged counterfeit $20 bill,
1549
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,160
it could happen to any of us, under
any range of circumstances,
1550
01:27:13,160 --> 01:27:16,480
and if we don't stand up,
speak up and fight back,
1551
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:19,320
it could very well
happen to us next.
1552
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:36,720
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1553
01:28:36,720 --> 01:28:38,560
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1554
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,640
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1555
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:47,520
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1556
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,240
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1557
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,800
# Look, black ain't just a single
fuckin' colour, man
1558
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:54,840
# There's shades to it
1559
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,520
# Her hair's straight and thick,
but mine's got waves in it
1560
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:58,760
# Black is not divisive
1561
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:00,360
# They been lyin' and I hate the
shit
1562
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,480
# Black has never been a
competition, we all make this shit. #
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