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on May 9th 2001 at the national Press

Club in Washington DC an unusual and

unprecedented event took

place over 20 individuals from the

highest levels of the US Military

Intelligence and Aerospace Industries

NASA international air traffic

controllers scientists radar operators

pilots and other experts with rarified

credentials and extremely high security

clearances all came together to share

their experiences concerning

extraterrestrials and

UFOs the focus of this conference put

together by Dr Steven Greer and the

disclosure project was to promote open

hearings in Congress dealing with UFO

and extraterrestrial phenomena going

back over 50

years it was an astonishing series of

testimonies here were a couple couple

dozen seriously credible Witnesses

coming forth on the national stage to

talk about the most bizarre events

imaginable objects under intelligent

control doing impossible Maneuvers at

thousands of miles hour what they did

was coales and and started rotating in a

circle and then they disappeared glowing

red orbs disabling nuclear missiles deep

underground and this time it was a more

uh intense tone in the in the guards uh

voice is very clearly very

frightened um he said there was a a

bright glowing red object hovering

outside the front

gate we lost somewhere between uh six

and eight weapons that morning alien

structures on the moon and then he

proceeded to put photographs down in

front of me and clearly in these

photographs were structures uh mushroom

shaped buildings spherical buildings and

Towers an ET pilot killed on an Air

Force Runway there's been UFOs in the

pattern all night they're on radar but

in any case uh an alien had come off the

craft and had been shot by a military

policeman and apparently was wounded was

heading for

Maguire dozens of incredibly surreal

accounts right out of a Spielberg film

but the Witnesses are all dead serious

highly intelligent Professionals of rank

and stature and in fact were in these

positions because of their quality of

mind and

character several had concrete evidence

to back up their claims and were all

willing to testify under oath before the

US Congress over 30 international news

organizations recorded and broadcast the

event the exceptional nature of this

Gathering and straightforward at times

emotional testimonies begged the

mindbending question what if they're

telling the

truth one of these witnesses an

Aeronautics illustrator named Mark

mccandlish had several highlevel

security clearances and worked for

organizations such as Rockwell

International Boeing and the US Air

Force he'd spent over a decade in

research and development on the main

focus of the NPC event Technologies

connected to UFOs and extraterrestrial

vehicles

his detailed technical illustration of a

purportedly reverse engineered alien

craft the flux liner a strange flying

disc shown at a secret US Air Force air

show in 1988 was a highlight of the

conference these discs were hovering off

the floor without any visible means of

support they were referred to as alien

reproduction Vehicles also nicknamed the

flux liner because they used high

voltage electricity this this is a

diagram that I made based

on a uh a sketch that Brad senson did

for me in rough

form and uh subsequently cleaned that

drawing up and made it much more

accurate this is his

story he says you know I gave you the

basic verbal description of what I saw

saw he says but somehow or other you've

taken everything all the information I

gave you and you have graphically

interpreted into an image that is so

close and so accurate he said this is

really dangerous stuff

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D and divis with United Press

International could you please address

uh the vehicle that uh there was a

drawing displayed of while why would

this vehicle be on display at an air

show what is the power source that you

are asserting is going to be uh so very

useful and um how can you determine that

this vehicle is not something um that is

being developed you know by a government

agency uh in fact I think that was the

testimony this is an alien reproduction

vehicle and just to be clear uh this

means that it is based on Advanced

anti-gravity and Zero Point Energy

propulsion system systems they are being

manufactured by a Consortium of

companies that include Lockheed Martin

Northrup saic and other corporations but

this is not a jet internal combustion

system at all it is actually kicked in

by a typee of electric power source and

it then accesses this ambient Zero Point

Energy field that is responsible for all

matter and energy existing and uh by

special configurations and and what have

you it causes a a cancellation of mass

inertia and an anti-gravity effect

effect they do have super luminal

capacity in other words faster than the

speed of light capacity um I think Mr

mandish and other witnesses as he's

identified could go into more the

technical physics of

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it my name is Mark mandish and for the

better part of last 30 years I've been a

uh conceptual artist illustrator and

designer working predominantly for the a

space and defense Industries about 1988

I came into some information that uh

indicated that the uh United States

government was in possession of and

operating um a kind of anti-gravity

technology uh through a uh a system an

aircraft that was referred to as the

flux liner or as the uh Alien

reproduction

vehicle the um the story

um dates back to the late 70s when I was

U going to college at Art Center College

ofine studying uh transportation and

automotive design had a friend there by

the name

of uh who had a number of classes with I

uh switched over to an illustration

major before I left I spent a short time

working in the uh uh special effects

industry in Hollywood and uh then left

that uh job to work in the defense

industry for General Dynamics

spent some time working there as a

conceptual artist and designer

illustrating Weapons Systems and then

after a couple years left that facility

and began freelancing throughout the

defense and Aerospace industry so that

was where it all started in the early to

mid 1980s Mark's career as an

aeronautical and Technical illustrator

began taking off as he accumulated a

client list including the US Air Force

Rockwell International lock heat Martin

Boeing and respected periodicals such as

Popular Science

magazine he became well-versed in

conceptual design the highest levels of

the US military industrial and Aerospace

programs and often called upon to

generate classified and highly

proprietary

material at the time this was around

1985

1986 and U I had uh been freelancing for

about four years at that point done a

lot of work for locky a lot of work for

walkwell a little bit of work for

boing and uh so I was establishing a

reputation and and

um had occasion to talk to an awful lot

of experts in the field various parts of

the Aerospace industry so I had an idea

of what was going on in terms of the

technological development that was

occurring in the industry at the time

worked on uh some conceptual artwor

showing cutaways of some of the weapon

systems and how the components inside

those weapon systems interrelated to one

another I was given a lot of information

many times I was asked to create

illustrations for clients based on just

verbal descriptions of what they wanted

to see because a lot of it was

conceptual artwork that was supposed to

put across the idea that say a

particular aircraft that they were

designing was going to be extremely fast

so it had to have all the sort of

dynamic characteristics of what a really

fast aircraft would have and I had an

idea of what these things look like so I

was subscribing to some of the trade

Publications that were aailable at that

time like Aviation week and space

technology and a lot of people at the

magazines test pilots editors and Things

by the mid 1980s he was a very

successful professional artist living in

Rialto California he had a Full Slate of

high profile projects and become a very

sought-after and respected talent in a

very crowded field of designers and

artists despite living in the era of

Reagan and disco things were going very

well for Mark

then in the Autumn of 1988 things took a

turn for the

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weird well it turns out that this was in

uh October uh that the magazine hit the

news scan it was a November issue

Popular Science it was called the Moi

Supply plane and a friend of mine from

college Brad had seen this um cover

illustration and it opened up to read

the story and he recognized my name and

he called the art director he passed

along my phone number and the next thing

you know I get a phone call and this

fell calls up and said hi Mark it's Brad

remember me said yeah we were in the

transportation design curriculum Art

Center in Pasadena when when we studied

car design so um we got reacquainted had

lunch together it turned out that just a

few weeks beyond that um the uh a local

Air Force Base Norton Air Force Base was

having a big Air Show and there was a a

rumor that they were going to have a an

SR71 Blackbird out there which was still

kind of a rare occurrence uh at air

shows to see something like that so I uh

invited Brad to uh come out to the air

show and he suggested said that he might

be bringing along a uh a client that he

was working with he didn't say who it

was at the time um but that uh he

thought that there might be the

possibility we could Network some jobs

together so uh we arranged to uh meet

together and at the last minute um I got

a second call from Popular Science to do

yet another illustration it was a quick

turnaround they wanted it done over the

weekend it was a quick you know 3,000

bucks so I couldn't turn that down it

was for their February of ' 89 Edition

uh with the cover store being about the

X31 uh which was an experimental

aircraft program so um did that

illustration and uh Brad went ahead went

to the air show and um when the uh when

the weekend was over I was kind of

interested in his

impression and I called him up and I

just said you know how did you like the

ear show and he he just he just seemed

completely different when I talked to

him on the phone he

sounded um almost depressed I mean it

was kind of a strange sort of reaction

and he said

um well I don't know I I I think I saw

something I wasn't supposed to see and I

said how's that possible everything

that's at the air show is sent there and

flown there with the intent of putting

it on static display especially for the

public so how could you possibly see

something that wasn't intended to be se

he says well he says um I got into see a

display that was a little more exclusive

it was something that was set aside for

some top military brass and some you

know top politicians with clearances and

the fellow I was with didn't realize at

the time that certain you know items

were going to be on display and as soon

as he realized that here I was without a

clearance to see this stuff you know he

basically said you know don't say

anything don't talk to anybody we'll get

out of here as soon as we can so I I

asked him I said well what did you see

that you think is so stunningly you know

classified that you know you'd be in

trouble well he says

uh there was a u an example of the first

generation aora there which was the

aircraft that was the actual the second

generation aircraft that I did the

conceptual artwork for so he saw the

real thing and so of course I was real

curious about what it looked like and he

gave me some details on that and then um

he described a number of sort of oddl

looking hovercraft and Troop

Transporters and things that were you

basically just you know kind of jazzed

up Advanced hover vehicles of one kind

or another and after going through all

of this I said well even this doesn't

sound you know all that extraordinary I

mean you know is there's something else

and he says well yeah he says uh after

they had the main little dog and pony

show so they pulled back the curtain and

there were these three flying saucers

over there and I was just I couldn't

believe my ears wait did you say flying

saucers he said yes and I and I said

well what do they look like he says well

it just it looked like something from

the 1950s like a Jello bow flat on the

bottom sloping sides a little Terrace

around the middle then a dome on the top

with all these little bubbles around the

top and a door that looked like

something off of a submarine you know

with the little pins that go out into

the frame door and the big wheel that

you turn to tighten it all this kind of

stuff the smallest one was about 24 ft

in diameter at the the bottom end of The

Craft the um mediumsized vehicle was uh

about 60 ft in diameter and the largest

was somewhere between 125 and 130 ft in

diameter I said what they what were they

doing were they just sitting on the

floor he says no they were hovering they

were there wasn't you know no landing

gear nothing holding them up cables from

it's just they were hovering there was a

three star general that was part of the

presentation when they when they pulled

back the curtains and these three things

were these three flying saucers revealed

to the audience that had been brought

there to this

Kanger um this uh this General got up

and he was describing these vehicles he

described them as uh Alien reproduction

vehicles arv for short uh they also had

a nickname for the aircraft they called

them flux lines now flux is an

electrical term for a high electrical

charge so high electrical charge liner a

flux

liner and so this was you know so he got

kind of scared he stopped talking and so

I said well you know let's let's have

lunch you know he was nervous about

talking about it on the phone so I go

over there and uh we start talking and

as he's describing this stuff he's

describing the different features that

he had seen and well how do you know

that I mean if you can just look at the

outside of the vehicle how do you know

what the inner workings is he says well

they had taken some of the panels off

the outside so see the inside of you

know what the components look like and

he said it was remarkably simple there

wasn't that much to it and I said you

were able to figure out how it worked

from that he said well no they had a

they had an easel next to it with a

drawing a cutaway drawing that uh that

showed some of the internal components

how they were arranged with oriented to

one another and then they had a little

uh TV monitor with u you know a tap

player below it that was showing this

you know continuous loop of this thing

um you know sitting you know hovering

over a like a dry lake bed out in the

desert somewhere and and as as you would

watch the tape this thing would make uh

from went from a hovering position made

these three little sort of hops going to

the side and then as the camera followed

it just went straight up it disappeared

outside he was down to nothing in just a

matter of a second and half or so one of

the things that this General had said

during the presentation one of the

things that really stood out of Brad's

mind was that he said that these

vehicles were capable of light speed or

better the aircraft looked very old like

it had been around for decades it had

chips in the paint and runs and you

could see fingerprints and smudges and

you know bootprints where somebody

walked up the side of it this kind of

thing and he said that uh the the paint

that was on the outside looked like

they' taken a bunch of powdered lead mix

it into a resin and then they just brush

painted it right on the side of the

aircraft it was looked like it was

slapped together in somebody's garage

you

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so according to his account on November

12th 1988 Mark's friend inadvertently

gained access to a highly classified air

show where the featured Hardware of the

event was real flying

sources they were really Strang looking

but appeared functional and were named

to suggest anti-gravity and reverse

engineered alien technology an official

presence stated they could travel faster

than

light despite their futuristic

performance capabilities these appeared

to be stripped down roadworn working

prototypes which had seen practical

operation for

years if this were the case they were

crude but tangible proof of concept for

a staggering leap in aviation technology

they used extremely Advanced

electromagnetic or field propulsion as

opposed to solid or jet fuel nuclear

power or any other commonly known

conventional means it also meant our

government and at least one other major

defense contractor Lo heat Martin had

been developing and deploying functional

systems along these lines for many years

to both mandish and Brad who had been

working professionally for some time

within what they thought were the

highest levels of aeronautical Design

This odd system was a sucker punch from

the future apparently this had had a

really really

serious impact on on Brad and he just he

he really seemed kind of you know

stunned by what he had seen so I you

know got together for lunch and I was

doing all these idea sketches of what he

described to me about how the components

related and I had you know your

stereotypical sort of lens shaped you

know Flying Saucer like you see in you

know more modern movies and stuff he

said oh no no no it's real simple it's

flat on the bottom sloping sides like

you know section taken out of a cone a

little ledge and then a dome on the top

he said the Dome is actually the top

half of a crew compartment it's like a

big ball pretty sure that was about 12

ft in diameter uh there's a central

column that goes down through the middle

there's like a flywheel thing on it that

uh you know maybe I don't know 6 to 9 ft

in diameter there's four ejection seats

that are all back to back on this

Central column above the flywheel type

thing and he says a bunch of oxygen

tanks in there they're all around the

bottom and uh he said the bottom is this

huge capacitor race probably I don't

maybe 12 to 14 in thick uh it's shaved

off at an angle on the edges looked like

it been put on a big giant milling

machine and they milled off the edges at

a 35° angle he said there's a a series

of these plate capacitors said well do

you think that this is functioning like

the beo Brown effect like you know these

experiments were done back in the' 60s

with levitating things with you know

electrostatic fields and stuff he said

well that may be it but he says they

told me he said one of the things I saw

was that it was using Zer Point Energy

it was using scalar energy

really it's cool huh Zero Point Energy I

Sav the best inventions for myself well

I've been corresponding with Tom Bearden

for about eight years at that point we

you know talked many times nailed

letters back and forth talked on the

phone and things okay so what we have is

we have a very strong argument that

neither the scaler Photon that is the

time polarized Photon nor the

longitudinal Photon which is over in

three space are individually observable

but if you somehow can combine the two

they are observable as the instantaneous

Quantum potential and so I had a sense

of what Zero Point Energy was about and

there a lot to talk about longitudinal

waves and scaler waves and psychotronic

weapons and all this kind of stuff so

I've been following this for a while

reading Tom gan's work and thing and so

I had a pretty good sense of what Brad

was talking about which he was a little

surprised about that I would know this

already so he opened up to me a little

bit more and began telling me more and

more about it when Brad finally came

became frustrated with my questions he

sat down while we were in the office his

office together and he did this rough

sketch which I still have to this day

you know 22 years later and he just sat

down and right we were sitting there at

his table he just kind of sketched out

in a in a with a with an ink pen on a

piece of uh legal siiz white paper and

put some you some little handwritten

call outs around the edges that

described you know the the number of

capacitor plates in each one of the

little sections that there were you know

they were so wide at the end and the

crew compartment was definitely about

12T in diameter just kind of put all

these things down as close as he could

remember to the way they existed and so

I sat down with all this information and

I just began sort of drafting it

out it was at this point mark began

putting his formidable skills as a

conceptual illustrator to work in

Uncharted Territory taking Brad's

eyewitness account detailed descriptions

and rough sketches of the arv mandish

began refining aspects of the components

his friend described and piecing

together an Ever more precise rendition

of The Craft over the course of the next

few years he generated a series of

drawings culminating in the flux liner

cutaway blueprint one of the most

notorious images in the history of

ufology and the Mysterious realm of

black budget aircraft I'm Jesse Ventura

and this is conspiracy

theory this was called the flux liner

this is probably the strangest one

you've shown me yet this actually flies

it actually flies on the principles of

high voltage electrical

charges uh this is the uh the original

um one of the original blueprints of uh

the alien reproduction vehicle which I

produced in March of 19

1989 uh it was uh put together by

accumulating a lot of U verbal testimony

from

bread and later from a number of other

sources including Kellin and some other

people that I talked to who have had

some contact or information about the

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vehicle for Mark his friend Brown

initial account was a fascinating story

with a degree of veracity and

plausibility worth exploring and doing

some research but was after all just one

man's tale of a fairly unbelievable

event concept and machine however this

subsequent research LED Mark to some

other very compelling eyewitnesses

official documentation including

numerous scientific patents and other

sources such as respected Quantum

physicists which finally convinced him

of the lik hood that the arv might be a

very real

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thing the first

verification of U uh the story that I

picked up on the uh the alien

reproduction vehicle was around 1991

1992 was the first air show at Edwards

Air Force bace where they actually had

the B2 stealth bomber on

display and in the course of that Air

Show I had occasion to uh join up with

some clients from Rockwell International

and they introduced me to this fellow

who claimed at the time that he was

working with the air intelligence agency

his name was Kent sellin he uh claimed

that he had inadvertently seen the same

craft at Edwards Air Force Base North

base facility in

1973 and I said when how where you know

what were the circumstances he says well

I I was a crew chief he said I worked on

Bill Scott's plane when he was a test

pilot and he says one night my ship

supervisor said to me go out to North

base they've got a a power unit out

there a ground power unit for an

aircraft that's leaking or failed or

something so we need to take a tow

vehicle out there go out pick it up

bring it back well instead what happened

is he comes up off the dry lake bid

rolls right up on the tarmac and is

going down these rows of hangers they're

all quanta style hangers back then and

he stops in front of the first one with

the doors cracked expecting to find this

defective ground power unit and what

does he see he sees this Flying Saucer

sitting in the hanger hovering off the

ground so I I T well what happened he

says well this thing you know was flat

on the bottom SL sling sides a little

ledge around there and then a dome on

the top with these little glass things

on top looked like there was a camera

under each one and I said really he said

yeah no you know no landing gear it was

hovering and I said let me borrow your

pen so I took out a Kodak lens cleaning

tissue package that I had in my camera

bag was the only thing I could think of

to I just I did a quick sketch of this

alien reproduction vehicle as described

by my friend Brad senson back in 1988

and I said is that what you saw and he

says oh you've seen one and I said no

but I wasn't sure until this moment that

the story was absolutely true and so

that was one I knew there was a second

point of confirmation he says I wasn't

there for 15 seconds and I heard

footsteps running up to me before I

could even turn around look he says

there was a machine gun barrel at my

throat another one over here and he says

a Gruff voice say say close your eyes

and get on the ground and we're going to

blow your head off so they put a hood

over his head blindfolded him hauled him

off and they spent 18 hours debriefing

him he was um forced to sign some

non-disclosure documents about that but

then was given some additional

information about it things details

about the ejection sequence for that

vehicle and so forth things that Brad

didn't know anything about so that gave

some validity to what he was

saying

in addition to Kent selin there is at

least one other witness on record

testifying to the existence of what he

describes as a UFO at Norton Air Force

Base which may well have been the

arv I uh can discussed Norton Air Force

Base and that uh as a result of all the

military Air Command bases under me for

their facilities that uh there was one

facility at Norton Air Force Base that

was close hold not even the the wing

Commander there could know what was

going on and during that time period uh

throughout my career it was always

rumored by the pilots that uh that was a

cover uh for in fact a location of one

UFO craft and the reason for that

location was uh folks that could come

out land at Norton play golf uh be part

of a golf tournament so forth and during

that process could go by the facility

and actually see the

UFO

I became so excited about the prospect

that this thing really was real and that

there really was some technology about

it and U so every chance I got I would

strike up a conversation with someone I

knew in the industry and I'd ask them if

they'd ever heard anything about this I

was talking to a fellow by the name of

Paul Shepard who was a UFO investigator

I felt that he'd have you know a little

bit

more uh knowledge about the kinds of

things that were going on in this area

of research and he put me in touch with

a couple of gentlemen uh Gordon noell

and George ulick who was a physicist

with Hercules Aerospace up in Sandy

Utah and they were very interested in

this story I started off uh as an

aeronautical engineer when I was in

college and I got real interested in

what makes you fos go and and so I just

kind of pursued the trail of the

technology as opposed to the aliens and

that kind of stuff and that's all I do

is pursue the technology and

I got lucky got very very lucky and got

my hands on a cutaway of their bird uh

one of them had an ongoing

correspondence with uh UFO researcher

Wendell Stevens a retired lieutenant

colonel from the Air Force um who

participated in sort of these UFO

chasing exercises up around the Arctic

many many years ago so um Gordon sent a

request off to Wendell Stevens saying

you know we know we have that you have

this big photo Archive of all these

different fos that have been seen over

the years do you have any photography

that even resembles what we're

describing in in this drawing that I had

done and it turned out that there was a

case I obtained uh

photographs that were uh taken in

1967 by a military pilot Harvey Williams

flying a c47 for the Air Force at 12,000

ft approximately 25 Mi Southwest of

Provo Utah uh this particular vehicle

matches the so-called arv uh in all

proportions and respects in terms of the

detail of the shape of the craft it it

really uh bore a striking resemblance to

the arv with with one possible exception

and that was that the synthetic Vision

system little bubbles that accommodated

the camera systems on the outside of the

thing were quite a bit larger than the

ones that Brad had reported and so when

I thought back to something that Brad

had said and that was that many of the

components on the arv like the ejection

seats and the camera systems uh were all

off-the-shelf components he said that

the uh the ones that he saw in 1988 uh

looked just like the the little bubbles

you see hanging from the ceiling in the

casinos in Las Vegas so when I thought

back to the camera systems that were

available in

1966 of course they were much larger

than they were in 1988 and so the larger

acrylic bubbles seemed you know to to uh

give some veracity to the photography as

it was presented in these these pictures

taken by Harvey

Williams one of the things that came up

in the investigation was the fact that

um a number of the witnesses starting in

1988 describe the vehicle that they saw

as looking like it had been around for a

long time chips in the paint you know

fingerprints you know greasy handprints

and that kind of stuff the uh the

material around where the Zeus Fasteners

brought the panels together all chipped

and scratch and stuff like it' been

around for a long

time when I uh talked in 1991 or '92 to

Kent sellin uh you know he clarified

that he'd seen this thing in 1973 which

was you know what 15 years or something

earlier than that and then the

photographs from Wendell Stevens showed

that this thing may have been

operational as early as you know June or

July of

1966 so it certainly supported the idea

that this thing had been around for

quite a while maybe even earlier than

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that when you look at some of the

photography uh of UFOs going all the way

back to some of the earliest photography

we know of McMinville Oregon for example

you see the same general layout you see

the same general configuration the flat

bottom the sloping sides a little dome

in the middle sometimes pointy sometimes

almost like the top end of a cylinder

that's been chopped off sometimes a

perfectly round Dome sometimes even you

know like a cone on the top so it

suggests that you know there's there's

um uh many different variants of the

system but the overall arrangement of

the components is basically the

same

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and I kept saying to myself you know

this is just too much of a coincidence

you know maybe maybe this goes back a

lot further than anybody

knows

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in fact in a translation of a Sanskrit

text written by a middle eastern King in

the 11th century there were references

to vimanas or flying machines with a

propulsion system bearing a striking

resemblance to that of the

arv strong and durable must the body of

vermana be made like a great flying bird

of light material inside one must put

the Mercury Engine with its iron heating

operation us underneath by means of the

power latent in the Mercury which sets

the driving Whirlwind in motion a man

sitting inside May travel a great

distance in the

sky one of the things that they describe

when you you read up on the literature

surrounding the so-called vonas was the

so-called Mercury Vortex or Mercury

turbine engine I see the word v can you

describe how that relates well this this

is something that I you know I spent a

lot of time reading up about the

so-called Mercury turbine generators or

Vortex Mercury vort Vortex generators uh

described in some of these ancient uh

Sumerian texts and so I I started

looking at the possibility that there

had to be some kind of circulation going

on in the Mercury itself so that was the

the kind of thing that I visualized

would be going on inside the chamber the

uh Central column has a number of

components a couple of counter rotating

cylinders it sounds very much like the

device that the Nazis were devel

veloping in the Wiis mine in Poland

towards the end of the second world war

there seems to be some evidence that

they were trying to develop some kind of

an anti-gravity propulsion system or a z

Point Energy device apparently if we're

talking about systems using components

and processes similar to the arv we

can't ignore the

Nazis I think it was Timothy GD um

published this story uh maybe Above Top

Secret where he found a researcher who

was F ing developments by the Nazis at

the end of second world war and it

looked like they've been de developing

flying saucers up in Poland in the w

celis m and they had this this thing

looked like Stonehenge where they had

all these high voltage cables coming

into it and these chains it would hold

something down and they had this thing

called The Bell the DUS gloa

DEA the

Bell that uh was in down in this mine in

walis and that it involved a ceramic

Dome and it had two cylinders inside

with a Mercury solution circulating it

the two cylinders were inside an

electromagnetic field and they were

counter rotating and they had this

mixture of mercury thorium and buril now

it looks like there's a high voltage

electrical discharges being sent through

the Mercury and that is somehow doing

something that enables this anti-gravity

effect to

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besides rumors about Hitler's top

scientists and the mythology of ancient

Kings there were other instances where a

central core involving Mercury and other

components similar to the arv were

reported at one point Mar contact and

interviewed possible UFO abductees to

gain Insight on the technology they may

have seen in the alien craft something

he had in common with McDonald Douglas

in the 1960s and possibly numerous other

corporate and government entities since

the

194s I wound up going to my management

and telling them you know you're not

going to believe this but the UFOs are

clearly coming from someplace else they

clearly manned or human Ed and the only

question is whether we're going to

figure out how they work before locked

or after and so as a result of that the

company at that time which has now of

course been bought by Boeing over

several years put in about $500,000

worth of research effort under my

direction to study gravity control

techniques and uh also analyze UFOs we

hired uh some a police detective to

interview Witnesses abductees we had

experimental work and theoretical work

so it was kind of a fun project in the

course of all this it occurred to me

that one of the other resources that I

might be able to drawn was people in the

alien abduction Community I begin to

think you know well these people either

crazy or they're really having an

experience of some kind and and some of

them even talked about implants who were

being recovered from their bodies and so

I was intrigued and I thought okay you

know if any of these stories are true

there might be a chance however

slim that if they really work abducted

by aliens they might have gotten a tour

of the ship they might have seen some

propulsion system components and so I

heard three of these young ladies being

interviewed on a radio station out of

Las Vegas this was sort of the precursor

to artbell and Coast to Coast amm it was

with Billy Goodman happening and he was

interviewing uh city of BOS uh Melinda

Lesley and Lea Davis contacted the

station they put me in touch with these

three young ladies I interviewed them

individually and much to my surprise

determined that these young ladies um

seem to be bonafied examples of the

phenomena with implants that could be

seen on medical uh MRIs so what I did

was I simply asked them to describe what

they

saw and without disclosing anything that

I already knew about the components

inside the alien reproduction vehicle I

found that these young ladies at least

one of them in particular was able to

describe not only components that

strongly resembled the ones that were

inside the alien reproduction vehicle

but they were also

at a higher level of sophistication that

actually gave additional clues about how

the arv actually functioned Lea Davis

had described being extorted into the

engine room you seeing the propulsion

system components and it involved a

central column that was made of a

transparent glasslike material and she

said there was a silvery fluid that was

spiraling upward in this at the bottom

of this column down in kind of this well

that was in the center of the spacecraft

was this little tiny flywheel like

mechanism spinning which matched the arv

also and this is at a point when this

young lady had never seen any of the

drawings that I done what the arv was

structured like I was just you know

talking about propulsion H in general

but then she said that when you looked

across this little well this lower floor

area in the center of the room there's

like a guard rail around it she stood

there she you could look across and she

said it looked like the below the deck

she was standing on was this glass-like

material with these coils of wire going

through it and they were spaced out in

the same proportions as the ones on the

urv the thing that she said that was

most significant was that the column

itself was rotating in One Direction and

the flywheel was oppos spinning in the

opposite direction there counter

rotation which is something that's often

been reported in UFO sting you see

components on the craft that are

spinning in opposite

directions back here on Earth the

scientific Community has been busy since

the end of the Industrial Revolution

there have been dozens perhaps hundreds

of us and International patents dealing

directly with electrokinetics and

electrogravitics going back to the turn

of the last century it would be safe to

assume Private Industry and the military

have also been working on a great deal

of related applications off the public

record in short since Nicola Tesla's

first experiments with pushing

electricity around mankind has had a

thing for

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anti-gravity

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if you look at these two illustrations

this is a patent that was secured in May

of uh May 30th 1967 by uh James Frank

King Junior who happened to work with

Thomas towns of brown in the labs of

agnu bonson but you can see a striking

similarity between the uh the two uh

vehicles uh on the one hand you've got

uh

uh a sort of a uh frustum shaped uh

fuselage section you've got a series of

coils that wrap around the crew

compartment although the crew

compartment in this instance is more of

a cylinder but you also have a central

column that goes down through the middle

and you have this capacitor section

that's in the bottom and then you have

these little flight control mechanisms

here you know it's I find it really

remarkable that there's so much

similarity between the two objects mhm

and when that when is that patent from

um May 30th 196 67 it's called a Magneto

hydrodynamic propulsion

apparatus and so I started thinking

maybe it's like a cyclotron maybe

there's an electrical discharge from

this basically this this whole thing

looks like a giant Tesla it's got the

capacitor array it's got you know a

central column that looks like the

secondary windings of a Tesla coil and

then this might even go back to

something that Nicola Tesla discovered

back in the 1940s and you know it just

was all hushed up and all the UFO side

we've ever seen were something that came

from Nicola Tesla not from another

planet you I mean these are the things

that were all going through my head at

the time so it was it was um really

surprising um to find all the different

sources that I encountered that seemed

to provide useful information as to how

this thing was made how it worked what

its energy sources were and it just it

was all really fascinating to me and

that's one of the reasons I pursued it

it wasn't because I was you know like I

say trying to breach National Security I

was just insatiably curious about how

these things

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work and he said it was remarkably

simple there wasn't that much to it the

arv system for all of its claims of

flashy outof this world propulsion

capabilities was indeed remarkably

simple it could be described as a large

scale souped up Tesla coil designed to

negate gravity and inertia with

off-the-shelf navigation and life

support systems bolted on almost as an

afterthought you could think of it as

the Model T of anti-gravity Vehicles an

industrial dune buggy or crude hot rod

that can get you to Mars in a few

minutes in this version at least first

class seating was still a way

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off from everything I've been able to

gather um it helps understand what some

of the components are there's a a large

capacitor array on the bottom of the

craft it's in the smallest version it's

24 ft in diameter the outer edge of the

plates and the capacitor section itself

are shaved off at that same 35° angle so

you have a series of plates that are

progressively smaller as you get higher

and higher in the stack and there's 48

sections that are all set up like that

through the middle of the crew

compartment is a central column uh

that's called The Amplifier section

that's in the middle of The Craft on the

very center point of that column is what

looks like a large 9t diameter flywheel

type mechanism then around the belt line

of the uh the crew compartment is a uh

about a 2T wide coil of wire that's

embedded in the same glass-like material

that the capacitor section compl plates

are embedded in and there's a a kind of

flange or fairing that traps the top and

the bottom surfaces of the coil you can

see that it traps it there and at the

top but in between are a series of

explosive bolts that run all the way

around the craft and then he said Above

This ledge there is a uh uh looks like a

a door out of you know your

stereotypical cartoon submarine you know

has a steel frame that's embedded in the

side of this ped spear that makes up the

crew compartment and he said and it had

a a wheel on it with little spokes that

you would turn like an old you know

Captain Nemo Submarine with the pins

that would go out and lock into the door

frame and it had a seal on it so a tight

and then the ejection seats are mounted

back to back there's four of them in the

smallest version of The Craft and

they're mounted on this Central column

on a set of rails in the event of an

ejection the explosive bolts separate

the top and the bottom halves of the

crew compartment and the entire outer

sheath of the central column pulls away

uh along with the upper half of the crew

compartment and the ejection seats This

Crew compartment spere can actually

function as kind of a rudimentary

re-entry vehicle coming down through the

atmosphere and then once you get say

below 14 15 16,000 ft uh the thing will

pop a shoot out the top and uh the

ejection seats drop off on these rails

one by one and the pilot can drift down

uh in a parachute or with a parachute

because this fly like mechanism is

turning all the time uh the individual

um pilot or crew members have a kind of

a can that's right below the front of

the ejection seat that affords them a

place to put their feet now the control

system on the vehicle um uh on the

ejection seat that the pilot sits in on

the one hand it looks like a uh a a high

voltage uh potentiometer or like a rat

on the one side that has a couple of big

heavy duty cables that come out of it

and goes into the central column and

that's basically the amount of power

that he has in the system and on the

other side there was sort of of a uh uh

an inverted j-shaped piece of metal that

came up and over like that that had a

sphere on it now on the bottom of the

sphere there is a sort of a bowl that's

sort of slightly larger in diameter but

it conforms to the shape of this

sphere of all the components of the arv

the navigation system while perfectly

logical and even elegant in its design

has to be the strangest one it's an

entirely unknown Paradigm in steering an

aircraft or anything else yet makes

perfect technical sense if one were to

make the case for truly alien aspects of

the alien reproduction vehicle this

might be the first example they'd use

the SPH self appears to be um a uh kind

of a domed Arrangement where you have a

number of fiber optic U leads that come

into the uh the

sphere and for each one of the 48

capacitor arrays there's a series of

sensors that are then used to sort of

relay information to the individual

plates so then on the bottom of this you

have a uh a bowl that that moves around

and can be you know used to uh convey uh

the the commands of the pilot in terms

of what he wants to do in in terms of

shaping the field around the vehicle and

right in the center of that bowl is a

kind of U uh laser diet

that sends a laser beam up into the the

underside the inside of this sphere and

so as the bowl moves that laser is sort

of scanning around on the inside of the

different sensors that are responsible

for each of the capacitor sections then

will you know there's a series of relays

that'll open up and close and let

certain amount of energy in or you know

prevent it from going in and when it's

dead center it means that all of them

get the exact same amount of information

you just go straight up if you want to

bank to the right then you uh you turn

you bank this to the right it sends uh

you know these the S the laser signal

over to the opposite side of the Dome

and it says that the opposite side of

the craft is going to get more energy so

it banks in that direction it's kind of

like in a uh helicopter in the swash

plate of a helicopter when you want to

bank to the left you create more

deflection in the uh the main rotor on

the right side so that it begins to bank

to the right or bank to the left excuse

me so it's kind of the same principle

then you have an oxygen supply that's uh

strapped to the lower part of the

central column down here in the lower

part of the crew compartment you have uh

a much larger set of oxygen tanks and

these are all protruded vessels by the

way there's no steel or aluminum in

terms of the oxygen supply uh in the

vehicle there was also a pair of oxygen

tanks under the seat uh and that was

assuming that maybe had to check you

know when you're 25 or 30,000 ft and you

needed some air to get you from up there

down to the place where you'd actually

be able to breathe ambient air I said

well were there Windows no there weren't

any Windows he said there was a thing

called a synthetic Vision system and he

said there were uh six or seven of these

these little plastic bubbles around the

top of this thing one on the very top in

the center and then made me six around

about halfway up from where the ledge

was to the very top and they were spaced

at even distances and he said in each

one there was a little CCD camera so the

synthetic Vision system was set up so

that it would take two cameras and it

would have a converging point of focus

in those two cameras so that it would

just be like looking through a set of

binoculars you have a left and a right

eye view and it give you a

three-dimensional view outside the

vehicle but with no windows and the

reason for that apparently was that this

aircraft was using extremely high

voltages and the voltages would ionize

the air around the vehicle so much that

it would start producing x-ray photons

which are absolute lethal so you have to

have basically a barrier to protect

yourself you also have a robotic arm

that seems to be uh Blended in with a

composite fairing uh sitting right on

the top surface of the capacitor array

uh that has the ability to extend

outward with a little U air driven claw

that's on the end of it in fact uh I

think that uh the Craft's magnetic field

or electromagnetic field is probably so

powerful that conventional little

electric motors probably wouldn't work

in this kind of an application where

they took the panels off the side of the

aircraft is it as Zeus Fasteners that

were these little like quick spin lock

things that they put on there to hold

the panels the panels are all like a

fiberglass material it's all composite

the entire vehicle appeared to be

covered with what he's referred to as a

goopy lead paint it looked like little

Flex of lead that had been suspended

into kind of a resin and just painted

halfhazard over the outside of

everything on the vehicle with the

possible exception of the door itself

and these little blisters that house the

synthetic Vision system so why would it

be goopy lead paint

well the theory is that uh the

electrostatic field created by this huge

capacitor array uh and the ionization

that occurs just because the propulsion

system might be enough to create a level

of ionization around the craft that's

high enough that it would produce x-ray

photons of its own accord and so you

would want to be able to protect the the

pilot and the uh the crew members from

that radiation so anyway that's the uh

the general overview of the the

structure of the vehicle this is a a

vehicle that has the ability to travel

up to or beyond the speed of light and

part of the reason that it's able to do

that is because it exploits the energy

form that's embedded in SpaceTime that's

responsible for the effects of mass and

inertia so here we have a configuration

of various components creating a system

that somehow capable of producing and

maintaining an insane amount of energy

in a concentrated field around the

vehicle this field can be precisely

controlled by the pilot with the aid of

a basic throttle an alien steering ball

and a bunch of Casino cameras there's

plenty of onboard oxygen handy if you're

off the planet and a lead coating so the

occupants don't get fried in their seats

and a robot arm in case you need a robot

arm somewhere it looks like a big clumsy

diving bell from 1905 but apparently

works like a helicopter you can take

past light speed its beauty and elegance

lie in the propulsion system maybe a

really really fast one that gets around

currently accepted physics one we

commonly associate with UFOs for anybody

who has followed the work of Einstein or

just basic physics you know one of the

sort of um you know inviable rules of

physics is that there's no material

object that can actually go fast from

speed of light so somehow or other and

I'm not saying we got this from Aliens

but did call it the alien reproduction

vehicle but somehow or other this simple

system that Brad described in these

diagrams was able to do

this so I you know I began uh looking at

the scientific literature I was looking

at uh this scalar energy anything I

could find on Z Point Energy scalar

energy Quantum Z Point fluctuations of

the vacuum I I think it's the more

technical physics term that they use in

the literature and it turned out that

there really were scientific papers that

were being published by a number of

different scientists Hal put off Bernard

H Alonso Reda who just happened to work

at Lo Skunk Works by the way you know so

I started I started noticing the names

and where they worked and what they do

what they were talking what they're

publishing and it occurred to me that

you know maybe these are people who have

some insid or so I started looking at

that I started looking at the things

that how put off it said in the middle

of last century um physicists made an

astounding uh Discovery and that is what

we ordinarily consider empty space isn't

empty at all even if you go to the far

reaches of outer space it turns out that

rather than emptiness what we call the

vacuum is really a seething cauldron of

what we call Quantum energy or Zero

Point Energy Zer point just simply means

that even if you froze the entire

universe down to absolute zero froze out

all motion where everything would be as

quiet as you could possibly get it this

energy is still there it was predicted

uh by the mathematics of quantum theory

but the numbers were so large for

example there's enough energy in the

volume of a coffee cup to evaporate the

world's oceans it was saw well this must

be some kind of artifact of the theory

But as time went on uh various

predictions in quantum theory uh um were

verified in the laboratory and it

finally turned out we had to take these

numbers seriously so I um I opened up a

correspondence with how put off and he

was very gracious in taking time to talk

to me on the phone send me copies of the

um the peer- reviewed papers that he had

published in you know physics review

physics a physics B and and um you know

I couldn't I couldn't understand the

mathematics with all these Greek symbols

and I mean it was it was really Advanced

theoretical stuff and but what I was

able to follow were the paragraphs that

were before and after the equations that

explain what all the math was talking

about and so as I went through these

papers and I would I would talk to how

he would explain to me well this this

means this is a certain process a

polarization process that happens in the

vacuum of SpaceTime and when you do that

you have this kind of phenomenon when

you do that you have this other

phenomenon and the papers that he wrote

started to indicate this Z Point Energy

that's embedded in the environment was

responsible for the effects of inertia

and gravity and mass and the reason why

as you accelerate through SpaceTime the

mass of your vehicle

increases so in a sense if you find the

right way to do it you can actually sort

of reduce the mass of an object and if

you can do that then of course it takes

less repulsive Force to push it around

it means that it can go a lot faster

because it's not limited by the amount

of mass that it increases to as it

accelerates in fact it may in fact be a

situation where uh the faster you go the

more energy you have available to

continue continue the acceleration

process and at the same time the mass is

becoming relatively less and less and

less so it really it really enables the

possibility of being able to go faster

and speed of light without violating

general relativity and that was the most

fascinating aspect of the whole thing

you're drawing energy from the

environment and in the process of doing

that you're enabling the craft to not

only uh Demas itself but use basically

conserve energy by using the flux in the

vacuum SpaceTime as the power source for

your propulsion system so literally the

faster you go the more energy you have

available that you convert into

propulsive force and the the lower the

relative mass of the vehicle becomes so

it's it's actually sort of an inversely

proportional kind of a relationship most

scientists with an instant response

would think on special relativity terms

and say well the velocity of light is is

a limitation you can't go fast than

speed of light um and therefore to

conceive of us exploring stars or other

people coming here it's it's just it's

it's it's too far they you they just

can't get from here to there um we might

explore our own solar system but that's

probably as far as we're going to get

but the truth of the matter is that in

general relativity uh that's not not the

case there are options there um that

limitation now has begun to evaporate

due to the new understandings and

predictions coming out of general

relativity so that's not the issue and

so I'm starting to learn about the

technology and how it might be playing

role in the function of this Craft um

the craft of course had oxygen tanks and

stuff in it so it really suggested that

the thing was going out in Space the uh

the idea was that somehow this vehicle

is is able to sort of skirt the law in a

way that allows it to do these things

that are unheard

of

come

well I understood that you know there

were probably you know some kind of a

powerful electrostatic field involved

with the the capacitor array there was

obviously an electromagnetic field that

was forming around this ring of wire

that ran around the crew compartment and

that would form a kind of uh donut

shaped or toid shaped electromagnetic

field with field lines stroking right

through the middle of the craft which

happened to be where there was this

large Central column now the central

column was supposed to be the most

secret part of the vehicle Brad didn't

seem to know too much about that but he

said that it used mercury in some form

he thought it might use it as a noble

gas vaporized Mercury the the Mercury

based on a number of accounts appears to

circulate in a kind of a closed loop

system that runs down through the

cylinder in the middle and then back up

in the space between the inner cylinder

and the outer cylinder and there's a

counter rotation um kind of a mechanism

that's occurring there too and at the

midpoint is this thing that looks like a

flywheel but in effect what I think it's

actually it's its actual function is

similar to what is called a homopolar

generator where you can use the

centrifugal forces of a disc of a

conducting metal disc that's spinning to

actually throw

U the electrons in the material out to

the edge where they can be literally

tapped off with something that looks

like um a a brush that has conductive

bristles now um I believe that what

happens is that um this vehicle develops

probably several million volts of

voltage and the the

sheer power of the electrostatic field

that is created in this capacitor array

actually has the ability to polarize

uh the surrounding

SpaceTime um and polarizes the the

so-called Zero Point Energy that is

embedded in the SpaceTime so it creates

kind of a positive and a negative aspect

to the the status of that Zero Point

Energy that's surrounding the vehicle so

just to kind of give a little background

the idea of a space warp works on the

principle of expanding and Contracting

space in such a way uh that allows you

to go somewhere very very quickly what

this does is it leads to something that

was described by Mel kuier in his 1994

paper on warp drive the creation of a

warp drive that would not violate

general relativity and one of the things

that he was suggesting was that you

would be able to

um engineer a vector or a pair of

vectors in SpaceTime that would on the

one hand cause a compression of

SpaceTime ahead of the vehicle and an

expansion of SpaceTime behind the

vehicle and that there would be an

intervening space between those two

phenomenon that would pretty much Peg

your sense of gravity your sense of

inertia to the environment that you

departed from when you initiated this

this movement so in essence what you

have is you have a a spherical Event

Horizon around this particular uh region

that might be called a dynamically

engineered local SpaceTime and this

particular region is set up in such a

way that it it creates these uh

influences in the surrounding metric in

such a way that it also creates a vector

that goes in this direction and so it's

kind of like having it's almost like

having a black hole ahead of you and an

expansion of SpaceTime behind you but

the the actual environmental conditions

that you experience inside the

spacecraft are pretty much pegged to the

the time and place that you start out

from so you don't have any sense of G

forces or or being moved around you

don't have any um sense of acceleration

because the entire pocket of SpaceTime

that you're encapsulated in is being

accelerated by the vectors that are

created around the system so it's

uniformly accelerated the SpaceTime

pocket that you've created the uh uh the

vehicle itself the the crew the cargo

everything is moved as one complete

package and so there's no sense of

acceleration but what it allows for

according to Alary's calculations is

what he was calling a an arbitrarily

large speed which which suggests

something in excess of the speed of

light at Super luminal speeds so to the

person that's inside the vehicle it may

appear that you you know you begin to

accelerate for accelerate away from a u

a particular uh location but to the

person who's standing outside the

Disturbed region of SpaceTime it looks

as though you just were gone just you

know in an

instant so this is an arv isn't that

what it's called

uh that's what some people call it we we

we call it Ram replication alien machine

oh I

see many highly credible reports of UFOs

share a few key descriptions of how

these crafts behave they appear to have

the ability to accelerate to extremely

high velocities at will far faster than

any man-made craft as if the speed of

light maybe isn't any big deal they can

stop on a dime and turn at random angles

while traveling at these crazy speeds

like the forces of mass and inertia

which would flatten anyone in a normal

situation also aren't a problem and

they're silent without any visible

Rockets Jets or exhaust of any kind like

they're pulling the energy they use out

of thin air super luminal speed Mass

cancelling and ambient field

propulsion all apparently standard in

the mid 80s model flux liner this makes

the arv a seriously badass means of

getting around and kind of a missing

link between Roswell and one of

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these once we retrieved back in the 30s

and 40s and 50s several of these

extraterrestrial vehicles and began to

study them we combined that knowledge

with knowledge we already had because

remember we had some people like T towns

and brown who were studying

anti-gravity quite independent of this

issue back in the 20s 30s and 40s but

when their information got combined with

studying these spacecraft they figured

out ah this is how they work and

according to the latest revelations in

quantum physics all this is possible by

tapping into the sea of raw energy we're

all just floating around in there's

plenty of energy in the pure raw vacuum

the new physics since quantum mechanics

the vacuum is a source of energy but

it's a peculiar kind of energy let me

explain the peculiar kind

when a bird flies in and sits on a power

line he sits on a very high potential

but between his two feet he has no

potential difference no voltage and so

even though from the line to the ground

it may be 100 million volts the little

bird can sit very

happily with his feet on this supposed

100 million volt line and he has no

volts across his body he's very happy

and doesn't even know it let him touch

his one of his feet to the slightest

thing that has the slightest difference

there and he'll fry to a greasy spot now

in the vacuum we have the same thing we

have an extremely high potential or

charge of the vacuum but we're immersed

in the vacuum so they were modeling the

universe as being sort of this this

empty you know material free environment

that had this energy that was embedded

in it almost like like a uh a fluid in a

way that it had all of this potential

that you couldn't see until you found a

way of driving it out of this

homogeneous sort of state of equilibrium

and getting to do usable work I'm try to

remember exactly how I met Tom I think

we met at a um a UFO Congress in

Laughlin Nevada for the first time we'd

been corresponding for quite a

while now what is z Point Energy I'm

going to show you a different many

different definitions but let me quote

Nicola Tesla 189 1 the world's greatest

electrical futurist Nicola Tesla stated

quote throughout space there is

energy is this energy static or kinetic

if static our hopes are in vain if

kinetic and we know for certain it is

then it is a mere question of time when

men will succeed in attaching their

Machinery to the very wheelwork of

nature many generations may pass but in

time our Machinery will be driven by

power obtainable at any point in the

universe and so there ladies and

gentlemen is the basic birth of the

concept of Zer Point

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Energy the real issue becomes um you

know is is this new technology something

that's so Advanced and so far out there

that uh it's it's really beyond the the

scope of our modern civilization is it

something that's so hard to achieve that

it requires such a tremendous amount of

of um development that it would cause

the economy to

collapse uh or is it a real threat to

existing um forms of energy like oil uh

coal nuclear wind

power

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by the

mid-50s they knew that this would be the

end of the oil cartels and the

International Financial P dollar system

uh and this is very important it me

means that we Homo sapiens have the

ability to access this so-called zero

point field of energy which the is the

ambient field of energy from which all

matter and energy is fluxing and can

access that energy and generate all the

power we need to run this planet without

fossil fuels or

pollution so this stuff really works

certainly does oh well lots of

luck

Technologies connected to UFO and

extraterrestrial

Vehicles if Declassified and used for

peaceful energy generation and

propulsion would solve the looming

energy crisis definitively would end

global warming would correct the

environmental challenges that the Earth

is facing when I got involved with uh Dr

Greer in the disclosure project I was

very excited

and it was an opportunity to go to

Washington and maybe have an opportunity

to talk some real life politicians about

what the the potential of this

technology might be I was really hopeful

that we would see some kind of a um a

door

open um publicly and that the government

would show that it was willing to uh

have a conversation a dialogue about the

technology

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holy oh my God oh my

God September the 11th basically knocked

May 9th off the radar permanently but it

didn't lessen the potential importance

of the spring conference all the issues

involved it did however allow the Bush

Administration to spend a trillion

dollars of our money on a war based on

lies so getting together with Dr Greer

going to Washington DC was exhilarating

met a lot of interesting people and it

made it clear to me that there's a lot

more going on behind the scenes than

anybody can imagine I mean uh just a

just a sheer volume of the stories and

the accounts the experiences that these

people have had when taken as whole you

can see that there's there there there's

this whole other level of things going

on that nobody knows about and there's a

handful of people that may have an

awareness an overview of all that but

but how it's affected me well uh that's

a good question

because you know I can think of a lot of

things that have happened to me that you

know if

I didn't sit down and seriously analyze

all the facts I might be able to Tri

ribut it or blame it on you know talking

about flying saucers talking about the

alien reproduction vehicle when I

finally did agree get around to making a

a copy of this original drawing in the

form of blueprint I sent a copy to Brad

and U the one of the first things that

he said to me on the phone was and he he

was he wasn't kidding when he said this

he said you know Mark uh he says this

drawing is about as accurate as you can

get he says every detail every aspect of

it is right on the and he said it is so

accurate in every way he says this has

to be probably one of the most dangerous

illustrations you've ever done in your

life and he says and if you're smart he

says you'll tear up the original you'll

throw it away and you'll never talk

about it again when it was all done the

uh CIA one of the CIA men told the

people they were out sworn a secrecy

that this meeting never happened and

this event never happened you don't

necessarily write anything down you

don't write anything down and you keep

it to yourself it's a need to know basis

only well I thought gee this is

something that we have to keep quiet and

that was verified by the chief of

security so I uh I got the feeling that

somebody was monitoring my activity and

uh there was one point at which U I

wasn't home at the time the phone rings

my girlfriend Michelle picks up the

phone and a voice says to Michelle you

better tell your boyfriend to stop doing

what he's doing or he's going to be in

really deep

trouble and you know that I knew one by

one I lost all my defense clients as a

conceptual artist and it it it could

have been attributed to my involvement

with the disclosure project it could

just be that that I'm an actual artist

with paints and brushes and I don't work

with computers like you know some

experts that I know and it may be

because there were a lot of people that

didn't want to be associated with

somebody talked about flying saucers and

anti-gravity and aliens and all that

kind of stuff the reason it's called

alien reproduction vehicle is that it's

based on the study of extraterrestrial

vehicles but it is manufactured by human

uh Military Intelligence Aerospace

Contracting Arrangements we have studied

specifically extraterrestrial Vehicles

which have been retrieved the

breakthroughs in that research have led

to applications that have led to the

building of this and similar

anti-gravity uh devices I mean you can

understand how corporations and Brad

told me that it had a big impact on his

life because when his name started

popping up on the Internet associated

with the arv story there were a lot of

his Japanese clients that wouldn't have

anything to do with them because they

did not want any of that kind of

reputation tarnishing information

associated with their product and their

brand and so you know he did everything

he could and I've I've minimized you

know my uh mentioning of his name except

where it comes to you know historical

documentation of what's happened to him

and I and other people I know but I feel

terrible in some respects because you

know I was encouraged by Dr Greer to

name names on camera and I wasn't ever

really sure what what doing that meant

in terms of protecting identities or

protecting people other than making some

footnote in history that this person

came forward said something and then

whatever happened happened I had threats

on the phone I had the IRS come up and

take all my money take all my cars um in

fact that's what happened to a guy in

Canada um he had a machine size of a

shoe box that was supposed to put out

enough power to power your home and uh

it was very

unusual um well he was uh very open he

would give demonstrations he wanted some

investor to give him a million dollars

to sell the rights and you know he was

doing all the wrong things sure of

course and uh then one day they came

with a SWAT team surrounded his house

confiscated all his uh

machines um put him in jail and said uh

if you want to get out of jail you have

to sign this paper that says you'll not

work in this technology any further so

the pretense of why they arrested him

they claimed that he was harboring

weapons of mass destruction ter

terrorism

weapons they create a very timestable

pattern it's sort of like look again 14

times oh by the way Mel what's your

phone number you're calling from maybe

yes we should write that

down okay cuz they find they they find

it's coming from your end not not from

here something out of West Coast is

causing this okay you might check that

out with the police over

there I notice clicking on my phone I

call someone and my voice would be

echoing there were all these weird

sounds like someone else was hanging up

the phone after I'd say goodbye but I

wouldn't hang up you know so I had the

feeling that I was being watched you

know I started feeling like maybe I was

being followed you know there were just

you know things you know PE cars that

would make it number of turns and then

you know when you look at them they turn

off you know that kind of stuff and

you've actually heard a couple different

stories about people being shut down

when they're trying to implement this or

killed or killed yeah I mean there's

there's many times I lay awake at night

with my 9mm under my pillow loaded and I

wonder why they haven't killed me and I

honestly do there's evidence to suggest

it's dangerous to become successful in

the area of Applied Zero Point Energy

called C Fusion or related free Energy

Technologies or it can at least lead to

very bad

luck Professor Stefan marinov founder

and director of The Institute of

fundamental physics in Graz Austria was

the de facto leader of the European free

energy movement he fell out of a high

window in

1997 Eugene maloff an eminent physicist

and expert in Cold Fusion who apparently

had working tabletop devices was was

beaten to death in 2004 at the height of

his career and the day before a public

announcement of his findings AR M Deo an

inventor of a patented revolutionary

clean energy technology associated with

the zero point field was found nearly

dead in his car at an airport in 2007

and died a short time later he missed

his flight to Europe where he was about

to obtain substantial funding for his

work then there's Mark Toman a brilliant

physicist and inventor of the patented

Star Drive a system remarkably similar

to the arvs in its use of Zero Point

Energy and related spaceflight

applications he and mandish had

corresponded numerous times before his

Unexpected death in his home in 2009

this was 2 weeks after the successful

trial of a working prototype for a key

component of his system and if I woke up

tomorrow on the other side of the Veil I

wouldn't you know I wouldn't be

surprised honestly I really wouldn't

because I know how serious the

technology is I know that it's real the

storyline basically is that there's a

lot of work going on in the Aerospace

industry

that would re indicate that we have

black projects that have gone even

darker and that there's work being done

on electr gravitic on um scaler

technology Etc that

we don't even think that those in

Congress or even in the military that

approve black budgets are aware of I've

seen copies of um inter office um

correspondence among defense contractors

that openly stated that they felt the

technology was a fundamental enabling

technology that it it had um all kinds

of different defense applications but it

also had a lot of serious civilian

applications that would be benefici to

humanity as a whole to the environment

it seems obvious that um someone perhaps

a group maybe some kind of a rogue

civilization within our society has

captured the technology they're

exploiting it for their own aims for

their own interests whatever those might

be there's not a sliver of doubt in my

mind that it

exists um that it's being exploited in

some way whether it's for intelligence

collection whether it's for logistical

report whether it's for you know

retrieval of raw materials from the

asteroid belt I have no idea why or what

it's used for all I know is that it's

extremely Advanced it's being used more

and

more I can only say that um all the

people who've sought to figure out

what's going on using the Freedom of

Information Act um have kind of

overlooked the fact that if this was a

purely corporate Endeavor and not a

government sanction Endeavor that it may

be one way in which the technology could

be

completely um overlooked and skirt the

the reach of the Freedom of Information

Act because if it's considered trade

secret or uh you know corporate property

so to speak or controlled by

corporations um it may be possible that

they could keep this secret for a very

long time even with you know people

actively in the government that know

that it exists and maybe have contact

with some of these corporate officials

that control the technology so you know

you kind of left with um you know a big

question mark As to you know where's all

this advanced technology going and

what's it being used for you know I mean

if if there was some somebody that had

this sort of inter Interstellar trade

program going on with another

civilization you know that would be very

interesting but I can't understand why

they would want to keep that quiet I

mean it would seem like such a a mind

expanding enlightening thing for people

to know about maybe we'd stop shooting

at each other and start thinking about

how can we get along with the people on

you know stars or Star systems you know

that are around us so it's it's hard to

say that the outer edge of this large

24t diameter

disc causes the phone to

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