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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,311 --> 00:00:14,913 (somber music) 2 00:00:18,650 --> 00:00:21,588 - [Narrator] 150 years ago, the business corporation 3 00:00:21,588 --> 00:00:24,791 was a relatively insignificant institution. 4 00:00:24,791 --> 00:00:27,527 Today it is all-pervasive, 5 00:00:27,527 --> 00:00:29,461 like the church, the monarchy, 6 00:00:29,461 --> 00:00:32,298 and the Communist Party in other times and places. 7 00:00:32,298 --> 00:00:35,068 The corporation is today's dominant institution. 8 00:00:36,603 --> 00:00:41,374 This documentary examines the nature, evolution, impacts, 9 00:00:41,374 --> 00:00:44,176 and possible futures of the modern business corporation. 10 00:00:46,279 --> 00:00:48,815 Initially given a narrow legal mandate, 11 00:00:48,814 --> 00:00:50,616 what has allowed today's corporation 12 00:00:50,616 --> 00:00:52,518 to achieve such extraordinary power 13 00:00:52,518 --> 00:00:54,286 and influence over our lives? 14 00:00:55,387 --> 00:00:56,222 We begin our inquiry 15 00:00:56,222 --> 00:00:58,858 as scandals threaten to trigger a wide debate 16 00:00:58,857 --> 00:01:01,593 about the lack of public control over big corporations. 17 00:01:02,996 --> 00:01:05,531 - I do think there is an overhang 18 00:01:07,332 --> 00:01:08,600 over the market, 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:09,736 of distrust. 20 00:01:10,569 --> 00:01:12,571 This 95%, or some percent, 21 00:01:12,572 --> 00:01:16,643 huge percentage of the business community are honest 22 00:01:16,643 --> 00:01:19,245 and reveal all their assets, 23 00:01:19,245 --> 00:01:21,614 got compensation programs that are balanced, 24 00:01:22,614 --> 00:01:24,583 but there are some bad apples. 25 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:25,618 - [Narrator] The media debate about 26 00:01:25,617 --> 00:01:28,187 the basic operating principles of the corporate world 27 00:01:28,188 --> 00:01:31,290 was quickly reduced to a game of follow the leader. 28 00:01:31,290 --> 00:01:32,792 - I still happen to think the United States 29 00:01:32,792 --> 00:01:35,061 is the greatest place in the world to invest. 30 00:01:35,061 --> 00:01:36,429 We have some shake-ups that are going on 31 00:01:36,429 --> 00:01:38,564 because of a few bad apples. 32 00:01:38,564 --> 00:01:41,533 (upbeat rock music) 33 00:01:44,069 --> 00:01:48,307 ♪ Some people call me a bad apple ♪ 34 00:01:48,308 --> 00:01:50,643 ♪ Well I may be bruised ♪ 35 00:01:50,643 --> 00:01:53,612 ♪ But I still taste sweet ♪ 36 00:01:53,612 --> 00:01:57,917 ♪ Some people call me a bad apple ♪ 37 00:01:57,917 --> 00:02:02,754 ♪ But I may be the sweetest apple on the tree ♪ 38 00:02:02,754 --> 00:02:05,858 - These are not just a bunch of bad apples. 39 00:02:05,858 --> 00:02:07,593 - This is just a few bad apples. 40 00:02:07,593 --> 00:02:09,294 - It's not just a few bad apples. 41 00:02:09,294 --> 00:02:11,330 - We've gotta get rid of the bad apples. 42 00:02:11,330 --> 00:02:12,764 You can start with Tyco. 43 00:02:12,764 --> 00:02:13,599 - Bad apples. 44 00:02:13,599 --> 00:02:15,400 - We know all about Worldcom. 45 00:02:15,401 --> 00:02:16,236 - Bad apples. 46 00:02:16,235 --> 00:02:17,603 - Xerox Corporation. 47 00:02:17,604 --> 00:02:18,438 - Bad apples. 48 00:02:18,437 --> 00:02:19,271 - Arthur Anderson. 49 00:02:19,271 --> 00:02:20,105 - Bad apples. 50 00:02:20,105 --> 00:02:20,939 - Enron, obviously. 51 00:02:20,939 --> 00:02:21,774 - Bad apples. 52 00:02:21,774 --> 00:02:22,942 - Kmart corporation. 53 00:02:22,942 --> 00:02:25,211 - That fruit cart is getting a little more full. 54 00:02:25,211 --> 00:02:27,013 - I don't think it's just a few apples, unfortunately. 55 00:02:27,013 --> 00:02:32,018 I think this is the worst crisis of confidence in business. 56 00:02:32,018 --> 00:02:34,187 - [Narrator] What's wrong with this picture? 57 00:02:34,187 --> 00:02:35,688 Can't we pick a better metaphor 58 00:02:35,687 --> 00:02:38,290 to describe the dominant institution of our time? 59 00:02:39,125 --> 00:02:40,793 (light electronic music) 60 00:02:40,793 --> 00:02:44,197 Through the voices of CEOs, whistleblowers, 61 00:02:44,197 --> 00:02:49,034 brokers, gurus and spies, insiders and outsiders, 62 00:02:49,034 --> 00:02:51,737 we present the corporation as a paradox, 63 00:02:51,737 --> 00:02:54,039 an institution that creates great wealth 64 00:02:54,039 --> 00:02:56,709 but causes enormous and often hidden harms. 65 00:03:11,424 --> 00:03:12,425 (cash register ringing) 66 00:03:12,425 --> 00:03:15,929 - [Man] I see the corporation as part of a jigsaw 67 00:03:15,929 --> 00:03:17,563 in society as a whole, 68 00:03:17,563 --> 00:03:21,067 which if you remove it, the picture's incomplete, 69 00:03:21,067 --> 00:03:23,269 but equally, if it's the only path, 70 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:25,471 then it's not gonna work. 71 00:03:26,472 --> 00:03:27,574 - [Man] A sports team. 72 00:03:27,574 --> 00:03:29,742 Some of us are blocking and tackling, 73 00:03:29,741 --> 00:03:31,243 some of us are running the ball, 74 00:03:31,243 --> 00:03:33,246 some of us are throwing the ball, 75 00:03:33,246 --> 00:03:34,948 but we all have a common purpose, 76 00:03:34,948 --> 00:03:37,217 which is to succeed as an organization. 77 00:03:38,951 --> 00:03:41,153 - [Man] The corporation's like a family unit. 78 00:03:41,153 --> 00:03:45,224 People in the corporation work together for a common end. 79 00:03:47,894 --> 00:03:49,695 - [Man] Like the telephone system, 80 00:03:49,695 --> 00:03:52,331 it reaches almost everywhere. 81 00:03:52,331 --> 00:03:54,167 It's extraordinarily powerful, 82 00:03:54,167 --> 00:03:56,568 it's pretty hard to avoid, 83 00:03:56,568 --> 00:03:59,104 and it transforms the lives of people, 84 00:03:59,104 --> 00:04:01,807 I think on balance for the better. 85 00:04:03,242 --> 00:04:04,109 - The eagle, 86 00:04:05,144 --> 00:04:06,012 soaring, 87 00:04:06,878 --> 00:04:08,080 clear-eyed, 88 00:04:09,282 --> 00:04:10,582 competitive, 89 00:04:10,582 --> 00:04:12,884 prepared to strike, but not a vulture, 90 00:04:13,819 --> 00:04:14,653 noble, 91 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:16,622 visionary, 92 00:04:16,622 --> 00:04:18,190 majestic, 93 00:04:18,190 --> 00:04:21,593 that people can believe in and be inspired by, 94 00:04:21,593 --> 00:04:25,064 that creates such a lift that it soars. 95 00:04:26,165 --> 00:04:29,168 I could see that being a good logo 96 00:04:29,168 --> 00:04:31,237 for the principled company. 97 00:04:31,237 --> 00:04:34,073 (laughs) 98 00:04:34,072 --> 00:04:36,108 Okay, guys, enough bullshit! 99 00:04:37,076 --> 00:04:40,046 (strange electronic music) 100 00:04:40,045 --> 00:04:43,548 - [Man] Corporations are artificial creations. 101 00:04:43,548 --> 00:04:45,418 You might say they're monsters 102 00:04:45,418 --> 00:04:49,656 trying to devour as much profit as possible, 103 00:04:49,656 --> 00:04:51,923 at anyone's expense. 104 00:04:51,923 --> 00:04:53,659 (people screaming) 105 00:04:53,660 --> 00:04:54,794 - [Man] I think of a whale, 106 00:04:54,793 --> 00:04:57,163 gentle, big fish, 107 00:04:58,463 --> 00:05:00,432 which could swallow you in an instant. 108 00:05:02,401 --> 00:05:04,937 - [Woman] Dr. Frankenstein's creation 109 00:05:04,937 --> 00:05:08,040 has overwhelmed and overpowered him, 110 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,110 as the corporate form has done with us. 111 00:05:12,110 --> 00:05:14,613 (scary music) 112 00:05:21,553 --> 00:05:26,024 - The word corporate gets attached in almost, 113 00:05:26,024 --> 00:05:28,493 in a pejorative sense to, 114 00:05:28,494 --> 00:05:30,863 and it gets married with the word agenda. 115 00:05:30,862 --> 00:05:34,434 And one hears a lot about the corporate agenda, 116 00:05:34,434 --> 00:05:36,536 as though it is easy, 117 00:05:36,536 --> 00:05:38,538 as though it is an agenda 118 00:05:38,538 --> 00:05:40,807 which is trying to take over the world. 119 00:05:40,807 --> 00:05:43,810 (protesters chanting) 120 00:05:43,810 --> 00:05:46,112 Personally, I don't use the word corporation. 121 00:05:46,978 --> 00:05:48,180 I use the word business. 122 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:52,651 I will use the word company. 123 00:05:52,651 --> 00:05:55,454 I'll use the words business community, 124 00:05:55,454 --> 00:05:58,790 because I think that is a much fairer representation 125 00:05:58,790 --> 00:06:02,694 than zeroing in on just this word corporation. 126 00:06:03,562 --> 00:06:06,865 (film roll whirring) 127 00:06:06,865 --> 00:06:08,668 - [Man] What is a corporation? 128 00:06:10,435 --> 00:06:11,937 - It's funny that I've taught in a business school 129 00:06:11,937 --> 00:06:13,139 for as long as I have, 130 00:06:13,139 --> 00:06:16,475 without ever having been asked so pointedly 131 00:06:16,475 --> 00:06:18,478 to say what I think a corporation is. 132 00:06:19,612 --> 00:06:22,415 - [Man] It is one form of business ownership. 133 00:06:23,815 --> 00:06:26,151 - It's a group of individuals working together 134 00:06:26,151 --> 00:06:29,154 to serve a variety of objectives, 135 00:06:29,154 --> 00:06:31,323 the principle one of which is earning 136 00:06:31,324 --> 00:06:36,095 large, growing, sustained legal returns 137 00:06:36,095 --> 00:06:38,931 for the people who own the business. 138 00:06:38,930 --> 00:06:41,901 (light electronic music) 139 00:06:41,901 --> 00:06:44,002 (helicopter roaring) 140 00:06:44,002 --> 00:06:45,971 - The modern corporation 141 00:06:45,971 --> 00:06:49,574 has grown out of the Industrial Age. 142 00:06:49,574 --> 00:06:53,245 The Industrial Age began in 1712 143 00:06:53,245 --> 00:06:55,914 when an Englishman named Thomas Newcomen 144 00:06:55,915 --> 00:06:58,651 invented a steam-driven pump 145 00:06:58,651 --> 00:07:00,920 to pump water out of the English coal mines 146 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,923 so the English coal mines could get it more coal to mine 147 00:07:03,923 --> 00:07:07,492 rather than hauling buckets of water out of the mine. 148 00:07:07,492 --> 00:07:10,129 It was all about productivity, 149 00:07:10,129 --> 00:07:12,064 more coal per man-hour. 150 00:07:12,064 --> 00:07:13,833 That was the dawn of the Industrial Age, 151 00:07:13,833 --> 00:07:16,769 and then it became more steel per man-hour, 152 00:07:16,769 --> 00:07:18,471 more textiles per man-hour, 153 00:07:18,471 --> 00:07:20,572 more automobiles per man-hour. 154 00:07:20,572 --> 00:07:22,942 And today it's more chips per man-hour, 155 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:25,144 more gizmos per man-hour. 156 00:07:25,144 --> 00:07:27,480 The system is basically the same, 157 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,817 producing more sophisticated products today. 158 00:07:30,817 --> 00:07:33,786 (machinery clanking) 159 00:07:33,786 --> 00:07:38,458 - The dominant role of corporations in our lives 160 00:07:38,458 --> 00:07:42,161 is essentially a product of roughly the past century. 161 00:07:42,161 --> 00:07:45,798 Corporations were originally associations of people 162 00:07:45,798 --> 00:07:47,300 who were chartered by a state 163 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:49,602 to perform some particular function, 164 00:07:49,601 --> 00:07:51,670 like a group of people want to build 165 00:07:51,670 --> 00:07:53,572 a bridge over the Charles River 166 00:07:53,572 --> 00:07:55,440 or something like that. 167 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,043 - There were very few chartered corporations 168 00:07:58,043 --> 00:08:00,545 in early United States history, 169 00:08:00,545 --> 00:08:05,050 and the ones that existed had clear stipulations 170 00:08:05,050 --> 00:08:07,152 in their state-issued charters, 171 00:08:07,153 --> 00:08:08,788 how long they could operate, 172 00:08:08,788 --> 00:08:10,823 the amount of capitalization, 173 00:08:10,822 --> 00:08:14,993 what they made or did or maintained, a turnpike, whatever, 174 00:08:14,994 --> 00:08:15,995 was in their Charter, 175 00:08:15,995 --> 00:08:17,997 and they didn't do anything else. 176 00:08:17,997 --> 00:08:20,867 They didn't own or couldn't own another corporation. 177 00:08:21,733 --> 00:08:24,836 Their shareholders were liable and so on. 178 00:08:24,836 --> 00:08:27,173 - In both law and the culture 179 00:08:27,173 --> 00:08:29,574 the corporation was considered a subordinate entity 180 00:08:29,574 --> 00:08:32,577 that was a gift from the people 181 00:08:32,577 --> 00:08:34,746 in order to serve the public good. 182 00:08:34,746 --> 00:08:38,416 (dramatic orchestral music) 183 00:08:38,417 --> 00:08:40,019 So you have that history, 184 00:08:40,019 --> 00:08:41,387 and we shouldn't be misled by it. 185 00:08:41,386 --> 00:08:43,755 It's not as if those are the halcyon days 186 00:08:43,755 --> 00:08:46,725 when all corporations served the public trust, 187 00:08:46,725 --> 00:08:49,195 but there's a lot to learn from that. 188 00:08:49,195 --> 00:08:51,397 (cannons blasting) 189 00:08:51,397 --> 00:08:52,831 - [Mary] The Civil War 190 00:08:54,066 --> 00:08:56,035 and the Industrial Revolution 191 00:08:56,034 --> 00:08:58,937 created enormous growth in corporations, 192 00:08:58,937 --> 00:09:01,807 and so there was an explosion of railroads 193 00:09:01,807 --> 00:09:05,043 who got large federal subsidies of land, 194 00:09:05,043 --> 00:09:07,413 banking, heavy manufacturing. 195 00:09:07,413 --> 00:09:11,450 And corporate lawyers a century and a half ago 196 00:09:11,450 --> 00:09:14,420 realized they needed more power to operate 197 00:09:14,419 --> 00:09:18,056 and wanted to remove some of the constraints 198 00:09:18,057 --> 00:09:21,192 that had historically been placed on the corporate form. 199 00:09:22,394 --> 00:09:26,097 - The 14th Amendment was passed at the end of the Civil War 200 00:09:26,097 --> 00:09:28,800 to give equal rights to black people, 201 00:09:29,835 --> 00:09:34,173 and therefore it said no state can deprive any person 202 00:09:34,173 --> 00:09:36,341 of life, liberty, or property 203 00:09:36,341 --> 00:09:38,311 without due process of law. 204 00:09:38,311 --> 00:09:40,146 And that was intended to prevent the states 205 00:09:40,145 --> 00:09:42,948 from taking away life, liberty, or property 206 00:09:42,948 --> 00:09:43,982 from black people, 207 00:09:43,982 --> 00:09:47,586 as they had done for so much of our history. 208 00:09:47,586 --> 00:09:50,389 And what happened is the corporations come into court, 209 00:09:50,389 --> 00:09:52,725 and corporation lawyers are very clever, 210 00:09:52,725 --> 00:09:56,562 and they say, "Oh, you can't deprive a person 211 00:09:56,562 --> 00:09:58,331 of life, liberty, or property. 212 00:09:58,331 --> 00:09:59,664 We are a person. 213 00:09:59,664 --> 00:10:01,433 A corporation as a person." 214 00:10:01,433 --> 00:10:03,735 And Supreme Court goes along with that. 215 00:10:03,735 --> 00:10:04,736 (gavel slams) 216 00:10:04,736 --> 00:10:08,073 - And what was particularly grotesque about this 217 00:10:08,073 --> 00:10:10,642 was that the 14th Amendment was passed 218 00:10:10,643 --> 00:10:13,112 to protect newly freed slaves. 219 00:10:14,179 --> 00:10:15,981 So for instance, 220 00:10:15,981 --> 00:10:18,783 between 1890 and 1910 221 00:10:18,783 --> 00:10:23,154 there were 307 cases brought before the court 222 00:10:23,154 --> 00:10:25,190 under the 14th Amendment, 223 00:10:25,191 --> 00:10:28,661 288 of these brought by corporations. 224 00:10:28,660 --> 00:10:30,795 19 by African Americans. 225 00:10:30,796 --> 00:10:34,467 (dramatic orchestral music) 226 00:10:37,135 --> 00:10:40,839 - 600,000 people were killed to get rights for people, 227 00:10:42,741 --> 00:10:46,344 and then with strokes of the pen over the next 30 years, 228 00:10:46,345 --> 00:10:50,649 judges applied those rights to capital and property, 229 00:10:50,649 --> 00:10:53,785 while stripping them from people. 230 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:09,802 - Everybody makes a mistake once in a while, 231 00:11:09,802 --> 00:11:13,038 but I just can't be personally responsible. 232 00:11:13,038 --> 00:11:15,607 That's one of the weaknesses of a partnership. 233 00:11:15,607 --> 00:11:17,175 Isn't it, Sid? 234 00:11:17,176 --> 00:11:20,379 - Well, maybe you'd better incorporate the store. 235 00:11:20,379 --> 00:11:21,212 - [Partner] Incorporate it? 236 00:11:21,212 --> 00:11:22,280 - Yes. 237 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,150 Incorporating would give you the big advantage 238 00:11:25,150 --> 00:11:27,485 of what you want right now: 239 00:11:27,485 --> 00:11:29,221 limited liability. 240 00:11:29,221 --> 00:11:30,855 You start with a group of people 241 00:11:30,855 --> 00:11:33,125 who want to invest their money in a company. 242 00:11:34,125 --> 00:11:37,996 Then these people apply for a charter as a corporation. 243 00:11:38,931 --> 00:11:41,834 This government issues a charter to that corporation. 244 00:11:42,701 --> 00:11:45,336 Now that corporation operates legally 245 00:11:45,336 --> 00:11:47,673 as an individual person. 246 00:11:47,673 --> 00:11:50,176 It is not a group of people. 247 00:11:50,176 --> 00:11:52,812 It is under the law a legal person. 248 00:11:53,979 --> 00:11:56,014 Imperial Steel Incorporated 249 00:11:56,014 --> 00:11:58,750 has many of the legal rights of a person. 250 00:11:58,750 --> 00:12:01,453 It can buy and sell property. 251 00:12:01,453 --> 00:12:03,221 It can borrow money. 252 00:12:03,221 --> 00:12:06,458 It can sue in court and be sued. 253 00:12:06,458 --> 00:12:08,259 It carries on a business. 254 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:13,899 Imperial Steel, along with thousands of other legal persons, 255 00:12:13,899 --> 00:12:16,368 is a part of our daily living. 256 00:12:16,368 --> 00:12:18,237 It is a member of our society. 257 00:12:18,236 --> 00:12:20,639 (light electronic music) 258 00:12:20,639 --> 00:12:22,541 - [Narrator] Having acquired the legal rights 259 00:12:22,541 --> 00:12:23,909 and protections of a person, 260 00:12:23,908 --> 00:12:24,876 the question arises 261 00:12:25,910 --> 00:12:28,613 what kind of person is the corporation? 262 00:12:31,049 --> 00:12:34,719 - Corporations were given the rights of immortal persons, 263 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,689 but then special kinds of persons, 264 00:12:36,688 --> 00:12:38,957 persons who have no moral conscience. 265 00:12:42,595 --> 00:12:44,797 These are special kind of persons 266 00:12:44,797 --> 00:12:47,099 which are designed, and by law, 267 00:12:47,099 --> 00:12:50,669 to be concerned only for their stockholders 268 00:12:50,668 --> 00:12:53,239 and not, say, what are sometimes called their stakeholders, 269 00:12:53,239 --> 00:12:56,375 like the community or the workforce or whatever. 270 00:12:56,375 --> 00:13:00,712 - The great problem of having corporate citizens 271 00:13:01,547 --> 00:13:05,651 is that they aren't like the rest of us. 272 00:13:05,650 --> 00:13:07,886 As Baron Thurlow in England 273 00:13:07,886 --> 00:13:08,686 is supposed to have said, 274 00:13:08,687 --> 00:13:10,121 "They have no soul to save 275 00:13:10,121 --> 00:13:13,091 and they have no body to incarcerate." 276 00:13:13,091 --> 00:13:14,960 - I believe the mistake that a lot of people make 277 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,295 when they think about corporations 278 00:13:16,294 --> 00:13:19,130 is they think corporations are like us. 279 00:13:20,065 --> 00:13:25,070 - General Electric is a kind old man with lots of stories. 280 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:26,871 - Nike. 281 00:13:26,871 --> 00:13:27,906 - Young. 282 00:13:27,907 --> 00:13:29,074 - Energetic. 283 00:13:29,073 --> 00:13:31,644 - Microsoft, aggressive. 284 00:13:31,644 --> 00:13:36,215 - McDonalds, young, outgoing, enthusiastic. 285 00:13:36,215 --> 00:13:39,718 - Monsanto, immaculately dressed. 286 00:13:39,717 --> 00:13:42,086 - Disney, goofy. 287 00:13:42,086 --> 00:13:45,857 - The Body Shop, deceptive. 288 00:13:45,857 --> 00:13:47,325 - Very lovely. 289 00:13:47,326 --> 00:13:49,228 (woman laughs) 290 00:13:49,227 --> 00:13:50,528 - Do you know what The Body Shop is? 291 00:13:50,528 --> 00:13:51,663 - Nope. 292 00:13:51,663 --> 00:13:52,497 (woman laughs) 293 00:13:52,498 --> 00:13:53,331 - They think they have feelings, 294 00:13:53,331 --> 00:13:54,165 they have politics, 295 00:13:54,166 --> 00:13:55,501 they have belief systems. 296 00:13:55,500 --> 00:13:57,336 They really only have one thing, 297 00:13:57,336 --> 00:13:58,671 the bottom line, 298 00:13:58,671 --> 00:14:02,541 how to make as much money as they can in any given quarter. 299 00:14:02,541 --> 00:14:03,375 That's it. 300 00:14:03,375 --> 00:14:04,876 - Of course they make a profit, 301 00:14:04,876 --> 00:14:07,178 and it's a good thing. 302 00:14:07,178 --> 00:14:10,014 That's the incentive that makes capitalism work 303 00:14:10,014 --> 00:14:12,750 to give us more of the things that we need. 304 00:14:12,750 --> 00:14:15,687 That's the incentive that other economic systems lack. 305 00:14:15,687 --> 00:14:17,056 - People accuse us of 306 00:14:17,056 --> 00:14:19,725 only paying attention to the economic leg 307 00:14:19,725 --> 00:14:21,961 because they think that's what 308 00:14:21,961 --> 00:14:23,162 a businessperson's mindset is, 309 00:14:23,162 --> 00:14:25,331 it's just money. 310 00:14:25,331 --> 00:14:26,532 And it's not so, 311 00:14:26,532 --> 00:14:28,334 because we as business people 312 00:14:29,168 --> 00:14:33,172 know that we need to certainly address the environment 313 00:14:33,172 --> 00:14:37,176 but also we need to be seen as 314 00:14:37,176 --> 00:14:40,012 constructive members of society. 315 00:14:40,011 --> 00:14:44,115 - There are companies that do good for the communities. 316 00:14:44,115 --> 00:14:46,985 They produce services and goods 317 00:14:46,985 --> 00:14:48,888 that are a value to all of us, 318 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,556 that make our lives better, 319 00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:52,391 and that's a good thing. 320 00:14:52,390 --> 00:14:57,395 The problem comes in in the profit motivation here, 321 00:14:57,495 --> 00:15:00,466 because these people, there's no such thing as enough. 322 00:15:01,366 --> 00:15:05,169 - And I always counter, point out 323 00:15:05,169 --> 00:15:07,505 there's no organization on this planet 324 00:15:07,505 --> 00:15:11,576 that can neglect its economic foundation. 325 00:15:11,576 --> 00:15:16,014 Even someone living under a banyan tree is dependent 326 00:15:16,014 --> 00:15:18,116 on support from someone. 327 00:15:18,116 --> 00:15:22,086 The economic link has to be addressed by everyone. 328 00:15:22,086 --> 00:15:24,023 It's not just a business issue. 329 00:15:25,724 --> 00:15:28,661 - [Narrator] But unlike someone under a banyan tree, 330 00:15:28,660 --> 00:15:31,663 all publicly traded corporations have been structured 331 00:15:31,663 --> 00:15:33,698 through a series of legal decisions 332 00:15:33,698 --> 00:15:36,334 to have a peculiar and disturbing characteristic. 333 00:15:37,769 --> 00:15:39,904 They are required by law 334 00:15:39,904 --> 00:15:42,073 to place the financial interests of their owners 335 00:15:42,073 --> 00:15:43,641 above competing interests. 336 00:15:45,644 --> 00:15:48,246 In fact, the corporation is legally bound 337 00:15:48,246 --> 00:15:50,716 to put its bottom line ahead of everything else, 338 00:15:51,582 --> 00:15:52,750 even the public good. 339 00:15:55,254 --> 00:15:56,422 - That's not a law of nature. 340 00:15:56,422 --> 00:15:58,257 That's a very specific decision, 341 00:15:58,256 --> 00:16:00,525 in fact, the judicial decision, 342 00:16:00,525 --> 00:16:01,859 so they're concerned only 343 00:16:01,860 --> 00:16:05,230 for the short-term profit of their stockholders 344 00:16:05,230 --> 00:16:07,399 who are very highly concentrated. 345 00:16:08,366 --> 00:16:10,001 (people shouting) 346 00:16:10,001 --> 00:16:14,005 - To whom do these companies owe loyalty? 347 00:16:15,374 --> 00:16:17,543 What does loyalty mean? 348 00:16:17,543 --> 00:16:20,913 It turns out that that was a rather naive concept anyway, 349 00:16:20,913 --> 00:16:24,615 as corporations are always owed obligation to themselves 350 00:16:24,615 --> 00:16:26,651 to get large and to get profitable. 351 00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:29,888 In doing this it tends to be more profitable 352 00:16:29,888 --> 00:16:33,892 to the extent it can make the other people pay the bills 353 00:16:33,892 --> 00:16:37,028 for its impact on society. 354 00:16:37,028 --> 00:16:39,063 There's a terrible word that economists use 355 00:16:39,063 --> 00:16:41,165 for this called externalities. 356 00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:42,334 - An externality 357 00:16:43,668 --> 00:16:48,039 is the effect of a transaction between two individuals 358 00:16:48,039 --> 00:16:51,943 on a third party who has not consented to 359 00:16:51,943 --> 00:16:56,414 or played any role in the carrying out of that transaction. 360 00:16:56,414 --> 00:16:58,317 And there are real problems in that area. 361 00:16:58,317 --> 00:16:59,585 There's no doubt about it. 362 00:17:02,321 --> 00:17:05,124 - Running a business is a tough proposition. 363 00:17:05,124 --> 00:17:09,495 There are costs to be minimized at every turn. 364 00:17:09,494 --> 00:17:12,430 And at some point the corporation says, 365 00:17:12,431 --> 00:17:14,833 "Let somebody else deal with that. 366 00:17:14,833 --> 00:17:17,936 Let's let somebody else supplant the military power 367 00:17:17,935 --> 00:17:20,838 to the Middle East to protect the oil at its source. 368 00:17:20,838 --> 00:17:23,708 Let's let somebody else build the roads 369 00:17:23,709 --> 00:17:26,211 that we can drive these automobiles on. 370 00:17:26,211 --> 00:17:30,249 Let's let somebody else have those problems." 371 00:17:30,249 --> 00:17:33,519 And that is where externalities come from, 372 00:17:33,519 --> 00:17:36,922 that notion of, "Let somebody else deal with that. 373 00:17:36,922 --> 00:17:39,490 I got all I can handle myself." 374 00:17:39,490 --> 00:17:41,960 - A corporation is an externalizing machine 375 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,697 in the same way that a shark is a killing machine. 376 00:17:45,696 --> 00:17:49,534 Each one is designed in a very efficient way 377 00:17:49,535 --> 00:17:52,071 to accomplish particular objectives. 378 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:54,138 In the achievement of those objectives 379 00:17:54,138 --> 00:17:58,443 there isn't any question of malevolence or of will. 380 00:17:58,443 --> 00:18:00,445 The enterprise has within it, 381 00:18:00,445 --> 00:18:02,346 and the shark has within it, 382 00:18:02,346 --> 00:18:04,415 those characteristics that enable it to do 383 00:18:04,415 --> 00:18:06,818 that for which it was designed. 384 00:18:06,818 --> 00:18:08,686 - So the pressure's on the corporation 385 00:18:08,686 --> 00:18:12,190 to deliver results now 386 00:18:12,191 --> 00:18:14,460 and to externalize any cost 387 00:18:14,460 --> 00:18:16,728 that this unwary or uncaring public 388 00:18:16,728 --> 00:18:19,198 will allow it to externalize. 389 00:18:21,133 --> 00:18:24,569 (light electronic music) 390 00:18:30,241 --> 00:18:31,876 - [Narrator] To determine the kind of personality 391 00:18:31,876 --> 00:18:33,010 that drives the corporation 392 00:18:33,010 --> 00:18:35,547 to behave like an externalizing machine, 393 00:18:35,547 --> 00:18:36,748 we can analyze it 394 00:18:36,748 --> 00:18:38,650 like a psychiatrist would a patient. 395 00:18:40,586 --> 00:18:42,753 We can even formulate a diagnosis 396 00:18:42,753 --> 00:18:44,689 on the basis of typical case histories 397 00:18:44,690 --> 00:18:46,758 of harm it has inflicted on others, 398 00:18:46,758 --> 00:18:49,595 selected from a universe of corporate activity. 399 00:19:06,044 --> 00:19:09,314 - Well, this is the office of the National Labor Committee, 400 00:19:09,314 --> 00:19:11,583 here in the garment area of New York City. 401 00:19:12,483 --> 00:19:15,920 It's a little bit disheveled. 402 00:19:15,921 --> 00:19:19,324 These are all from different campaigns. 403 00:19:19,324 --> 00:19:22,494 To make this stuff concrete as possible 404 00:19:22,493 --> 00:19:25,096 we purchase all of the products 405 00:19:25,096 --> 00:19:27,499 from the factories that we're talking about. 406 00:19:27,499 --> 00:19:30,235 This shirt sells for $14.99 407 00:19:32,104 --> 00:19:35,407 and the women who made this shirt got paid three cents. 408 00:19:35,406 --> 00:19:38,476 Liz Claiborne jackets made in El Salvador, 409 00:19:38,477 --> 00:19:40,979 the jackets are $178, 410 00:19:40,979 --> 00:19:42,980 and the workers were paid 74 cents 411 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:44,715 for every jacket they made. 412 00:19:44,715 --> 00:19:47,351 Alpine car stereos, 31 cents an hour. 413 00:19:47,352 --> 00:19:48,353 It's not just sneakers, 414 00:19:48,353 --> 00:19:49,488 it's not just apparel. 415 00:19:50,422 --> 00:19:51,222 It's everything. 416 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,995 We were in Honduras, 417 00:19:58,096 --> 00:20:00,531 and some workers, they knew the kind of work that we did, 418 00:20:00,531 --> 00:20:02,166 and they approached us, these young workers, 419 00:20:02,166 --> 00:20:05,203 and they said, "Conditions in our factory are horrible. 420 00:20:05,203 --> 00:20:07,271 Will you please meet with us?" 421 00:20:07,271 --> 00:20:08,373 And we said we would, 422 00:20:08,373 --> 00:20:10,342 but you can't meet in the developing world. 423 00:20:10,342 --> 00:20:12,076 You can't walk up to a factory 424 00:20:12,076 --> 00:20:14,346 with workers come out and you interview them. 425 00:20:14,346 --> 00:20:16,548 There's goons, there's spies, the military police. 426 00:20:16,548 --> 00:20:19,250 So you do everything in a clandestine manner. 427 00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:20,885 We're about to start the meeting, 428 00:20:20,885 --> 00:20:22,653 and in walk three guys, 429 00:20:22,653 --> 00:20:24,388 very tough-looking guys. 430 00:20:24,388 --> 00:20:26,524 The company had found out about our meeting 431 00:20:26,525 --> 00:20:27,392 and sent these spies. 432 00:20:27,392 --> 00:20:29,595 Obviously, we didn't have the meeting, 433 00:20:29,595 --> 00:20:31,630 but these young girls were really bright. 434 00:20:31,630 --> 00:20:33,031 And as they were leaving 435 00:20:33,030 --> 00:20:34,633 away from the eyesight of the spies, 436 00:20:34,633 --> 00:20:37,436 they started to put their hands underneath the table. 437 00:20:37,435 --> 00:20:38,403 And I put my palm under there, 438 00:20:38,403 --> 00:20:39,438 I put my hand under there, 439 00:20:39,438 --> 00:20:42,541 and they put into my my hand their pay stubs, 440 00:20:42,540 --> 00:20:45,243 so we'd know who they were, what they were paid, 441 00:20:45,243 --> 00:20:47,311 and the labels that they made in the factory 442 00:20:47,311 --> 00:20:49,247 so we'd know who they work for. 443 00:20:49,248 --> 00:20:51,883 And I took my hand out after everyone had left 444 00:20:51,883 --> 00:20:53,085 and in the palm of my hand 445 00:20:53,085 --> 00:20:55,319 was the face of Kathie Lee Gifford. 446 00:20:55,319 --> 00:20:57,556 But the bottom of it is the interesting part, 447 00:20:57,556 --> 00:21:00,325 "A portion of the proceeds from the sale of this garment 448 00:21:00,325 --> 00:21:03,362 will be donated to various Children's Charities." 449 00:21:03,362 --> 00:21:05,864 It's very touching, gets you right here. 450 00:21:05,864 --> 00:21:08,299 Walmart is telling you if you purchase these pants 451 00:21:08,299 --> 00:21:10,635 and Kathie Lee is telling you you purchase these pants, 452 00:21:10,635 --> 00:21:11,670 you're gonna help children. 453 00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:14,406 The problem was the people handed us the label 454 00:21:14,405 --> 00:21:15,640 were 13 years of age. 455 00:21:16,907 --> 00:21:18,609 Do many people in her family work? 456 00:21:18,609 --> 00:21:19,443 (speaking in a foreign language) 457 00:21:19,443 --> 00:21:20,278 - [Interpreter] Just me. 458 00:21:20,278 --> 00:21:22,013 - [Charles] How many people do you support? 459 00:21:22,013 --> 00:21:23,314 (speaking in a foreign language) 460 00:21:23,315 --> 00:21:24,216 - [Interpreter] Eight people. 461 00:21:24,215 --> 00:21:25,049 - [Charles] Eight people. 462 00:21:25,049 --> 00:21:25,884 And how do you do it with that salary? 463 00:21:25,884 --> 00:21:26,718 Is it enough? 464 00:21:26,718 --> 00:21:30,489 (speaking in a foreign language) 465 00:21:30,489 --> 00:21:32,691 - Let's look at it from a different point of view. 466 00:21:32,691 --> 00:21:34,558 Let's look at it from the point of view 467 00:21:34,558 --> 00:21:39,530 of the the people in Bangladesh 468 00:21:39,530 --> 00:21:41,399 who are starving to death, 469 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,569 the people in China who are starving to death, 470 00:21:44,568 --> 00:21:48,940 and the only thing that they have to offer to anybody 471 00:21:48,940 --> 00:21:50,976 that is worth anything 472 00:21:50,976 --> 00:21:53,578 is their low-cost labor. 473 00:21:55,413 --> 00:21:58,616 And in effect, what they are saying to the world 474 00:21:58,616 --> 00:22:00,451 is they have this big flag 475 00:22:00,451 --> 00:22:03,755 that says, "Come over and hire us! 476 00:22:03,755 --> 00:22:06,958 We will work for 10 cents an hour 477 00:22:06,958 --> 00:22:09,294 because 10 cents an hour will buy us the rice 478 00:22:09,294 --> 00:22:10,961 that we need not to starve," 479 00:22:12,230 --> 00:22:16,168 and, "Come and rescue us from our circumstance!" 480 00:22:16,167 --> 00:22:18,836 And so when Nike comes in, 481 00:22:19,971 --> 00:22:22,374 they are regarded by everybody in the community 482 00:22:22,374 --> 00:22:24,442 as an enormous godsend. 483 00:22:24,442 --> 00:22:28,613 (people shouting over each other) 484 00:22:33,317 --> 00:22:34,286 - [Charles] The door was wide open. 485 00:22:34,286 --> 00:22:35,120 - [Man] No no no no no no. 486 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:35,986 - That's my clothes! 487 00:22:35,987 --> 00:22:36,855 - [Man] What are you doing? 488 00:22:36,855 --> 00:22:37,689 - [Charles] Those are my clothes! 489 00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:38,790 - [Man] This is not your clothes! 490 00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:39,624 Where's your camera? 491 00:22:39,624 --> 00:22:40,459 - [Charles] Let's leave! 492 00:22:40,459 --> 00:22:42,126 Don't touch the woman! 493 00:22:42,126 --> 00:22:42,961 Okay? 494 00:22:42,961 --> 00:22:44,261 - This is a private company. 495 00:22:44,261 --> 00:22:45,096 - [Charles] Yes. 496 00:22:45,096 --> 00:22:46,897 - Without permission, how can you come in? 497 00:22:46,897 --> 00:22:48,099 - [Charles] Uh-huh. 498 00:22:48,099 --> 00:22:48,933 Huh. 499 00:22:48,933 --> 00:22:51,336 Well, the door was wide open, and uh- 500 00:22:51,336 --> 00:22:53,438 - The only door wide open here is for the employees, 501 00:22:53,438 --> 00:22:54,506 not for you! 502 00:22:54,506 --> 00:22:56,608 (dramatic orchestral music) 503 00:22:56,607 --> 00:22:57,942 - We went through the garbage dump 504 00:22:57,942 --> 00:22:59,044 in the Dominican Republic. 505 00:22:59,044 --> 00:23:00,078 We always do this kind of stuff. 506 00:23:00,077 --> 00:23:01,312 We dig around. 507 00:23:01,313 --> 00:23:03,782 One day we found a big pile 508 00:23:03,781 --> 00:23:06,083 of Nike's internal pricing documents. 509 00:23:06,084 --> 00:23:08,854 Nike assigns a time frame to each operation. 510 00:23:08,854 --> 00:23:10,788 They don't talk about minutes. 511 00:23:10,788 --> 00:23:13,759 They break the time frame into ten thousandths of a second. 512 00:23:14,692 --> 00:23:17,028 You get to the bottom of all 22 operations 513 00:23:17,028 --> 00:23:19,831 to give the workers 6.6 minutes to make the shirt. 514 00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:21,899 It's 70 cents an hour in the Dominican Republic. 515 00:23:21,900 --> 00:23:25,137 That 6.6 minutes equals eight cents. 516 00:23:25,136 --> 00:23:26,337 These are Nike's documents. 517 00:23:26,337 --> 00:23:27,405 That means the wages come to 518 00:23:27,405 --> 00:23:29,508 three tenths of 1% of retail price. 519 00:23:30,575 --> 00:23:31,676 This is the reality. 520 00:23:31,675 --> 00:23:33,979 It's the science of exploitation. 521 00:23:33,979 --> 00:23:37,149 (eerie ambient music) 522 00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:46,691 - What happens in the areas 523 00:23:46,691 --> 00:23:49,227 where these corporations go in and are successful? 524 00:23:49,227 --> 00:23:54,232 They soon find that they can't do any more in that country 525 00:23:54,465 --> 00:23:56,400 because the wages are too high now. 526 00:23:57,736 --> 00:23:58,804 And what's that another way of saying? 527 00:23:58,804 --> 00:24:00,471 Well, the people are no longer desperate. 528 00:24:00,471 --> 00:24:03,340 So okay, we've used up all the desperate people there. 529 00:24:03,340 --> 00:24:05,676 They're all plump and healthy and wealthy. 530 00:24:06,678 --> 00:24:08,947 Let's move on to the next desperate lot 531 00:24:08,946 --> 00:24:11,515 and employ them and raise their level up. 532 00:24:11,516 --> 00:24:15,187 (dramatic orchestral music) 533 00:24:22,827 --> 00:24:25,497 - Well the whole idea of the export processing zone is that 534 00:24:25,497 --> 00:24:28,033 it will be the first step towards 535 00:24:28,032 --> 00:24:30,234 this wonderful new development. 536 00:24:30,234 --> 00:24:33,103 Through the investment that's attracted to these countries, 537 00:24:33,104 --> 00:24:35,774 there will be a trickle-down effect into the communities. 538 00:24:35,773 --> 00:24:39,243 But because so many countries are now in the game 539 00:24:39,243 --> 00:24:41,745 of creating these free trade enclaves, 540 00:24:41,746 --> 00:24:44,649 they have to keep providing more and more incentives 541 00:24:44,648 --> 00:24:48,953 for companies to come to their little denationalized pocket, 542 00:24:48,953 --> 00:24:52,356 and that the tax holidays get longer. 543 00:24:52,356 --> 00:24:54,792 So the workers rarely make enough money 544 00:24:54,792 --> 00:24:56,227 to buy three meals a day, 545 00:24:56,228 --> 00:24:58,462 let alone feed their local economy. 546 00:25:04,236 --> 00:25:06,872 (ominous music) 547 00:25:27,424 --> 00:25:30,961 - Something happened in 1940 548 00:25:30,961 --> 00:25:34,465 which marked the beginning of a new era, 549 00:25:34,465 --> 00:25:39,471 the era of the ability to synthesize and create 550 00:25:40,238 --> 00:25:43,074 on an unlimited scale, 551 00:25:43,074 --> 00:25:46,577 new chemicals that had never existed before in the world. 552 00:25:46,577 --> 00:25:49,146 - [Narrator] And using the magic of research, 553 00:25:49,146 --> 00:25:51,649 oil companies compete with each other 554 00:25:51,650 --> 00:25:54,586 in taking the petroleum molecule apart 555 00:25:54,586 --> 00:25:56,820 and rearranging it into, 556 00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:58,122 well, you name it. 557 00:25:58,123 --> 00:26:00,825 - So suddenly it became possible 558 00:26:00,825 --> 00:26:04,296 to produce any new chemicals, synthetic chemicals, 559 00:26:04,296 --> 00:26:05,130 the likes of which 560 00:26:05,130 --> 00:26:06,665 had never existed before in the world, 561 00:26:06,664 --> 00:26:08,066 for any purpose 562 00:26:08,066 --> 00:26:09,934 and at virtually no cost. 563 00:26:09,934 --> 00:26:11,903 - [Narrator] Fabrics, toothbrushes. 564 00:26:12,971 --> 00:26:14,605 Tires, insecticides. 565 00:26:16,141 --> 00:26:18,276 Cosmetics, weed killers. 566 00:26:19,144 --> 00:26:21,246 A whole galaxy of things 567 00:26:21,246 --> 00:26:23,548 to make a better life on earth. 568 00:26:24,548 --> 00:26:25,951 - For instance, if you wanted to go to a chemist 569 00:26:25,951 --> 00:26:27,919 and say, "Look I want to have a chemical, 570 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:29,487 say a pesticide, 571 00:26:29,487 --> 00:26:32,557 which will persist throughout the food chain, 572 00:26:32,557 --> 00:26:35,759 and I don't want it to have to renew it very, very often. 573 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:38,896 I'd like it to be relatively non-destructible." 574 00:26:38,896 --> 00:26:42,933 And then he'd put two benzene molecules on the blackboard 575 00:26:42,933 --> 00:26:44,970 and add a chlorine here and a chlorine there, 576 00:26:44,970 --> 00:26:47,072 and that was DDT. 577 00:26:48,038 --> 00:26:49,974 - [Narrator] When the Eighth Army needed Jap civilians 578 00:26:49,974 --> 00:26:51,909 to help them out in our occupation, 579 00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:54,980 they called on native doctors to administer DDT 580 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:56,581 under the supervision of our men 581 00:26:56,580 --> 00:26:58,983 to stem a potential typhus epidemic. 582 00:26:58,983 --> 00:27:02,220 Dusting like this goes a long way in checking disease, 583 00:27:02,220 --> 00:27:03,822 and the laugh's on them. 584 00:27:05,155 --> 00:27:06,490 Pardon our dust. 585 00:27:06,490 --> 00:27:09,360 (march-like music) 586 00:27:09,361 --> 00:27:13,098 (sorrowful orchestral music) 587 00:27:16,901 --> 00:27:21,906 - As the petrochemical era grew and grew, 588 00:27:22,374 --> 00:27:25,442 warning signs emerged that 589 00:27:25,442 --> 00:27:29,748 some of these chemicals could pose hazards. 590 00:27:29,748 --> 00:27:34,285 The data initially were trivial, anecdotal, 591 00:27:34,285 --> 00:27:39,224 but gradually a body of data started accumulating 592 00:27:39,223 --> 00:27:41,091 to the extent that we now know 593 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,995 that these synthetic chemicals 594 00:27:43,994 --> 00:27:46,830 which have permeated our workplace, 595 00:27:46,830 --> 00:27:50,868 our consumer products, our air, our water, 596 00:27:50,868 --> 00:27:54,038 produce cancer and also birth defects 597 00:27:54,038 --> 00:27:55,940 and some other toxic effects. 598 00:28:21,932 --> 00:28:25,537 Furthermore, industry has known about this. 599 00:28:25,537 --> 00:28:27,305 At least most industries have known about this 600 00:28:27,305 --> 00:28:30,174 and have attempted to trivialize these risks. 601 00:28:36,314 --> 00:28:38,583 If I take a gun and shoot you, 602 00:28:38,583 --> 00:28:39,684 that's criminal. 603 00:28:39,683 --> 00:28:41,885 If I expose you to some chemicals 604 00:28:41,885 --> 00:28:43,620 which knowingly are gonna kill you, 605 00:28:44,756 --> 00:28:46,324 what difference is there? 606 00:28:46,324 --> 00:28:48,692 The difference is that it takes longer to kill you. 607 00:28:50,961 --> 00:28:54,865 We are now in the midst of a major cancer epidemic, 608 00:28:54,865 --> 00:28:56,701 and I have no doubt, 609 00:28:56,701 --> 00:28:59,636 and I have documented the basis for this, 610 00:28:59,636 --> 00:29:03,640 that industry is largely responsible 611 00:29:03,641 --> 00:29:07,778 for this overwhelming epidemic of cancer 612 00:29:07,778 --> 00:29:12,182 in which one in every two men get cancer in their lifetimes 613 00:29:12,182 --> 00:29:15,385 and one in every three women get cancer in their lifetimes. 614 00:29:18,056 --> 00:29:21,459 (light electronic music) 615 00:29:32,136 --> 00:29:34,938 Towards the end of 1989 616 00:29:34,939 --> 00:29:37,776 a great box of documents arrived at my office 617 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:40,612 without any indication where they came from 618 00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:43,848 and I opened them and found in it 619 00:29:43,847 --> 00:29:46,151 a complete set of Monsanto files, 620 00:29:46,151 --> 00:29:48,219 particularly a set of files dealing 621 00:29:48,219 --> 00:29:51,456 with toxicological testing of cows 622 00:29:51,455 --> 00:29:53,257 who'd been given rBGH. 623 00:29:53,258 --> 00:29:56,161 - [Newscaster] BST, trade name Posilac, is being used 624 00:29:56,161 --> 00:29:57,895 in more than a quarter of the dairy herds 625 00:29:57,895 --> 00:29:58,930 in the United States 626 00:29:58,930 --> 00:30:00,465 according to Monsanto. 627 00:30:00,464 --> 00:30:01,365 The milk is being drunk 628 00:30:01,365 --> 00:30:03,867 by a large portion of the American population, 629 00:30:03,867 --> 00:30:06,604 since the Food and Drug Administration declared it safe 630 00:30:06,604 --> 00:30:09,073 for both cows and humans four years ago. 631 00:30:09,073 --> 00:30:10,842 - And at that time Monsanto was saying 632 00:30:10,842 --> 00:30:13,411 there's no evidence whatsoever, any adverse effects, 633 00:30:13,411 --> 00:30:15,145 "We don't use antibiotics." 634 00:30:15,145 --> 00:30:17,347 And this clearly showed 635 00:30:17,347 --> 00:30:20,417 that they had lied through their teeth. 636 00:30:20,417 --> 00:30:22,920 (eerie music) 637 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:29,394 The files described areas of chronic information 638 00:30:29,394 --> 00:30:31,395 in the heart, lung, kidneys, spleen, 639 00:30:31,395 --> 00:30:33,330 also reproductive effects, 640 00:30:33,330 --> 00:30:37,334 also a whole series of other problems. 641 00:30:37,335 --> 00:30:38,635 - [Newscaster] It's the most comprehensive 642 00:30:38,635 --> 00:30:40,504 independent assessment of the drug 643 00:30:40,505 --> 00:30:44,242 concludes that BST results in unnecessary pain, 644 00:30:44,241 --> 00:30:46,845 suffering and distress for the cows. 645 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:48,913 This is not acceptable for a drug 646 00:30:48,913 --> 00:30:51,115 designed simply to increase milk production. 647 00:30:52,851 --> 00:30:54,219 - It is a silly product. 648 00:30:55,153 --> 00:30:57,654 The industrial world is awash in milk. 649 00:30:57,654 --> 00:30:59,089 We're overproducing milk. 650 00:30:59,089 --> 00:31:01,125 We actually have governments around the world 651 00:31:01,125 --> 00:31:03,961 who pay farmers not to produce milk. 652 00:31:03,961 --> 00:31:06,364 So the first product Monsanto comes up with 653 00:31:06,364 --> 00:31:09,901 is a product that produces more of what we don't need. 654 00:31:09,901 --> 00:31:12,036 - Of course you'll want to inject Posilac 655 00:31:12,036 --> 00:31:14,305 to every eligible cow, 656 00:31:14,305 --> 00:31:17,909 as each cow not treated is a lost income opportunity. 657 00:31:17,909 --> 00:31:21,179 - But the problem was that use of the artificial hormone 658 00:31:21,179 --> 00:31:23,815 caused all kinds of problems for the cows, 659 00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:26,084 because something called mastitis, 660 00:31:26,084 --> 00:31:30,587 which is a very painful infection of the udders. 661 00:31:30,587 --> 00:31:33,857 When you milk the cow, if the cow has bad mastitis, 662 00:31:33,857 --> 00:31:35,092 some of the, 663 00:31:35,093 --> 00:31:37,061 and I don't know how to say this in a, you know, 664 00:31:37,060 --> 00:31:38,195 I hope people aren't watching at dinnertime, 665 00:31:38,195 --> 00:31:41,098 but the pus from the infection of the udders 666 00:31:41,098 --> 00:31:42,299 ends up in the milk, 667 00:31:42,299 --> 00:31:44,434 and the somatic cell count they call it, 668 00:31:44,434 --> 00:31:47,404 the bacteria count inside your milk goes up. 669 00:31:48,673 --> 00:31:50,275 - There's a cost to the cows. 670 00:31:51,375 --> 00:31:54,846 The cows gets sicker when they're injected with rBGH. 671 00:31:54,846 --> 00:31:56,614 They're injected with antibiotics. 672 00:31:58,115 --> 00:32:00,183 We know that people 673 00:32:00,183 --> 00:32:02,819 are consuming antibiotics through their food, 674 00:32:02,819 --> 00:32:04,554 and we know that that's contributing to 675 00:32:04,555 --> 00:32:07,225 antibiotic-resistant bacteria and diseases. 676 00:32:07,224 --> 00:32:08,826 And we know we're at a crisis 677 00:32:08,826 --> 00:32:10,560 when somebody can go into a hospital 678 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,962 and get a staph infection 679 00:32:11,962 --> 00:32:14,264 and it can't be cured and they die. 680 00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:15,466 That's a crisis. 681 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,001 - Bad for the cow, 682 00:32:18,001 --> 00:32:19,671 bad for the farmer, 683 00:32:19,671 --> 00:32:21,773 bad potentially for the consumer. 684 00:32:21,772 --> 00:32:22,973 The jury is out. 685 00:32:22,973 --> 00:32:25,275 We see a lot of conflicting evidence 686 00:32:25,276 --> 00:32:26,911 about potential health risks 687 00:32:26,911 --> 00:32:28,813 and of course as a consumer, 688 00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:30,815 my belief is why should I take any risk? 689 00:32:31,950 --> 00:32:36,287 (dramatic orchestral music) 690 00:32:36,287 --> 00:32:37,788 - [Narrator] Factory farm cows have not been 691 00:32:37,788 --> 00:32:39,990 the only victims of Monsanto products. 692 00:32:40,924 --> 00:32:44,528 Large areas of Vietnam were deforested by the U.S. military 693 00:32:44,528 --> 00:32:46,596 using Monsanto's Agent Orange. 694 00:32:49,834 --> 00:32:51,803 The toxic herbicide reportedly caused 695 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:54,105 over 50,000 birth defects, 696 00:32:54,105 --> 00:32:56,074 as well as hundreds of thousands of cancers 697 00:32:56,074 --> 00:32:58,509 in Vietnamese civilians and soldiers 698 00:32:58,509 --> 00:33:01,546 and in former American troops serving in Southeast Asia. 699 00:33:03,347 --> 00:33:05,349 Unlike the Vietnamese victims, 700 00:33:05,349 --> 00:33:08,185 U.S. Vietnam veterans exposed to Agent Orange 701 00:33:08,185 --> 00:33:11,288 were able to sue Monsanto for causing their illnesses. 702 00:33:12,757 --> 00:33:14,525 Monsanto settled out of court, 703 00:33:14,525 --> 00:33:16,627 paying $80 million in damages, 704 00:33:18,328 --> 00:33:19,730 but it never admitted guilt. 705 00:33:21,098 --> 00:33:24,534 (light electronic music) 706 00:33:42,686 --> 00:33:46,556 - Sleeping in a motel in Brewer, Maine one night, 707 00:33:46,557 --> 00:33:49,460 I woke up with terrible hay fever and my eyes were burning 708 00:33:49,460 --> 00:33:50,862 and I looked out at the river 709 00:33:50,862 --> 00:33:52,897 and there were great mounds of white foam 710 00:33:52,896 --> 00:33:54,398 going right down the river, 711 00:33:54,398 --> 00:33:55,699 and the next morning I got up 712 00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:57,501 and I said, "My god, what was that happening last night?" 713 00:33:57,501 --> 00:33:58,635 He said, "Oh, that's just the river." 714 00:33:58,635 --> 00:34:00,238 And I said, "What do you mean?" 715 00:34:00,238 --> 00:34:01,605 He said, "Well look, every night the paper company 716 00:34:01,605 --> 00:34:03,941 send this stuff down the river." 717 00:34:03,941 --> 00:34:05,375 I said, "What are you talking about?" 718 00:34:05,375 --> 00:34:06,711 And he said, "Don't you understand, 719 00:34:06,711 --> 00:34:08,445 that's how we get rid of the effluent 720 00:34:08,445 --> 00:34:10,213 from the paper mills." 721 00:34:10,213 --> 00:34:11,315 Well I knew at that time, 722 00:34:11,315 --> 00:34:12,150 I'd been in a business, 723 00:34:12,150 --> 00:34:14,786 I'd sold oil to the paper mills, 724 00:34:14,786 --> 00:34:15,720 I knew all the owners, 725 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:16,686 I'd been in politics, 726 00:34:16,686 --> 00:34:17,954 I knew the people in the towns, 727 00:34:17,954 --> 00:34:21,491 I knew not one constituent of the paper mills 728 00:34:21,492 --> 00:34:23,327 wanted to have the river polluted, 729 00:34:23,327 --> 00:34:25,797 and yet here the river was being polluted. 730 00:34:25,797 --> 00:34:29,467 And it was more or less as if we created a doom machine. 731 00:34:29,467 --> 00:34:32,637 In our search for wealth and and for prosperity 732 00:34:32,637 --> 00:34:34,872 we created something that's gonna destroy us. 733 00:34:42,313 --> 00:34:44,414 - The traders who are involved in the market 734 00:34:44,414 --> 00:34:47,284 are not guys whose moral fiber 735 00:34:47,284 --> 00:34:49,219 when it comes to environmental conditions 736 00:34:49,219 --> 00:34:51,154 are gonna be be rattled at all. 737 00:34:52,356 --> 00:34:55,093 They're seeing dollars and they're making money. 738 00:34:55,092 --> 00:34:56,827 Brokers don't stay away from copper 739 00:34:56,827 --> 00:34:59,864 because it violates their religious beliefs 740 00:34:59,864 --> 00:35:02,934 or their environmental policies, no. 741 00:35:04,402 --> 00:35:06,737 You think about it, but (laughs) it's fleeting. 742 00:35:08,072 --> 00:35:10,407 (laughs) It really is a fleeting moment. 743 00:35:10,407 --> 00:35:11,942 It's like, "Oh yeah, oh yeah, well, 744 00:35:11,943 --> 00:35:14,245 the town being polluted down there in Peru, 745 00:35:14,244 --> 00:35:17,514 but hey, this guy needs to buy some copper," 746 00:35:17,514 --> 00:35:19,217 and getting paid a commission too. 747 00:35:21,085 --> 00:35:24,155 Our information that we receive does not include 748 00:35:24,155 --> 00:35:26,157 anything about the environmental conditions 749 00:35:26,157 --> 00:35:28,492 because until the environmental conditions 750 00:35:28,492 --> 00:35:29,693 become a commodity themselves 751 00:35:29,693 --> 00:35:31,027 or are being traded, 752 00:35:31,027 --> 00:35:34,498 then obviously we will not have anything to do with that. 753 00:35:34,498 --> 00:35:36,567 It doesn't come into our psyche at all. 754 00:35:37,869 --> 00:35:39,036 It's so far away 755 00:35:39,036 --> 00:35:41,838 and you hardly hear anything about it. 756 00:35:41,838 --> 00:35:43,474 Keep in mind, there are things going on 757 00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:45,376 right in our backyards for God's sake. 758 00:35:46,943 --> 00:35:48,179 We trade live hogs. 759 00:35:48,179 --> 00:35:51,315 There are so many pigs in the state of Carolina 760 00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:52,483 that it's polluting the rivers, 761 00:35:52,483 --> 00:35:55,720 but how often do you find out about that? 762 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,389 (dramatic orchestral music) 763 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:03,794 - At Multinational Monitor we put together a list 764 00:36:03,793 --> 00:36:07,664 of the top corporate criminals of the 1990s. 765 00:36:07,664 --> 00:36:10,467 We went back and looked at all of the criminal fines 766 00:36:10,467 --> 00:36:13,170 that corporations had paid in the decade. 767 00:36:14,204 --> 00:36:18,208 Exxon pled guilty in connection to federal criminal charges 768 00:36:18,208 --> 00:36:19,710 with the Valdez spill 769 00:36:19,710 --> 00:36:22,947 and paid $125 million in criminal fines. 770 00:36:22,947 --> 00:36:25,115 General Electric was guilty 771 00:36:25,115 --> 00:36:26,617 of defrauding the federal government 772 00:36:26,617 --> 00:36:29,353 and paid $9.5 million in criminal fines. 773 00:36:29,353 --> 00:36:32,190 Chevron was guilty of environmental violations 774 00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:34,291 and paid $6.5 million in fines. 775 00:36:34,291 --> 00:36:36,560 Mitsubishi was guilty of antitrust violation 776 00:36:36,561 --> 00:36:37,762 and paid $1.8 million in fines. 777 00:36:37,762 --> 00:36:40,498 IBM was guilty of illegal exports and paid $8.5 million. 778 00:36:40,498 --> 00:36:43,034 Kodak was guilty of environmental violations and paid 779 00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:43,867 $1 million in fines. 780 00:36:43,867 --> 00:36:45,101 Pfizer the drug manufacturer 781 00:36:45,101 --> 00:36:46,870 was guilty of antitrust violations. 782 00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:47,704 Odwalla was guilty. 783 00:36:47,704 --> 00:36:48,538 And paid $20 million in fines. 784 00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:49,373 Of Food and Drug Regulatory violations 785 00:36:49,373 --> 00:36:50,675 and paid $1.5 million in fines. 786 00:36:50,675 --> 00:36:52,743 Sears was guilty of financial fraud. 787 00:36:52,742 --> 00:36:54,211 Blue Cross Blue Shield of Illinois. 788 00:36:54,211 --> 00:36:56,880 (cross-talking) 789 00:37:03,086 --> 00:37:06,023 Roche, guilty of antitrust violation, 790 00:37:06,023 --> 00:37:08,626 paid $500 million in criminal fines. 791 00:37:13,264 --> 00:37:15,566 - Again and again we have the problem that 792 00:37:15,565 --> 00:37:17,667 whether you obey the law or not 793 00:37:17,668 --> 00:37:19,936 is a matter whether it's cost-effective. 794 00:37:19,936 --> 00:37:22,639 If the chance of getting caught and the penalty 795 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,243 are less than it costs to comply, 796 00:37:26,244 --> 00:37:29,180 people think of it as being just a business decision. 797 00:37:30,780 --> 00:37:34,384 - Drawing the metaphor of the early attempts to fly. 798 00:37:34,385 --> 00:37:36,420 (pack exploding) 799 00:37:36,420 --> 00:37:40,023 (curious electronic music) 800 00:37:44,295 --> 00:37:48,566 The man going off of a very high cliff in his airplane, 801 00:37:48,565 --> 00:37:49,933 with the wings flapping, 802 00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:51,802 and the guys flapping the wings, 803 00:37:51,802 --> 00:37:53,938 and the wind is in his face. 804 00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:56,007 And this poor fool thinks he's flying 805 00:37:56,007 --> 00:37:58,442 but in fact he's in free fall 806 00:37:58,442 --> 00:38:00,677 and he just doesn't know it yet 807 00:38:00,677 --> 00:38:02,846 because the ground is so far away, 808 00:38:03,713 --> 00:38:06,683 but of course the craft is doomed to crash. 809 00:38:10,054 --> 00:38:11,655 That's the way our civilization is. 810 00:38:11,655 --> 00:38:14,125 The very high cliff represents 811 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:17,494 the virtually unlimited resources we seemed to have 812 00:38:17,494 --> 00:38:19,630 when we began this journey. 813 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,898 The craft isn't flying 814 00:38:21,898 --> 00:38:23,034 because it's not built 815 00:38:23,034 --> 00:38:25,736 according to the laws of aerodynamics, 816 00:38:25,735 --> 00:38:28,038 and it's subject to the law of gravity. 817 00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:29,907 Our civilization is not flying 818 00:38:29,907 --> 00:38:33,811 because it's not built according the laws of aerodynamics 819 00:38:33,811 --> 00:38:36,480 for civilizations that would fly. 820 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:39,317 And of course the ground is still a long way away, 821 00:38:39,317 --> 00:38:43,054 but some people have seen that ground rushing up 822 00:38:43,054 --> 00:38:44,722 sooner than the rest of us have. 823 00:38:44,722 --> 00:38:46,757 The visionaries have seen it 824 00:38:46,757 --> 00:38:48,659 and have told us it's coming. 825 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,666 There's not a single scientific peer-reviewed paper 826 00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:58,436 published in the last 25 years 827 00:38:58,436 --> 00:39:03,173 that would contradict this scenario. 828 00:39:04,407 --> 00:39:08,144 Every living system of Earth is in decline. 829 00:39:08,144 --> 00:39:12,416 Every life support system of earth is in decline. 830 00:39:12,416 --> 00:39:15,385 And these together constitute the biosphere, 831 00:39:15,385 --> 00:39:18,521 the biosphere that supports and nurtures all of life, 832 00:39:18,521 --> 00:39:22,826 and not just our life, but perhaps 30 million other species 833 00:39:22,827 --> 00:39:24,495 that share this planet with us. 834 00:39:24,494 --> 00:39:27,931 (light electronic music) 835 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,070 The typical company of the 20th century, 836 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:36,173 the extractive, wasteful, abusive linea 837 00:39:36,172 --> 00:39:38,508 and all of its processes, 838 00:39:38,509 --> 00:39:41,344 taking from the earth, making, wasting, 839 00:39:41,344 --> 00:39:44,514 sending its products back to the biosphere, 840 00:39:44,514 --> 00:39:45,849 waste to a landfill. 841 00:39:49,085 --> 00:39:51,855 I myself was amazed to learn 842 00:39:51,856 --> 00:39:55,826 just how much stuff the earth has to produce 843 00:39:55,826 --> 00:39:57,994 through our extraction process 844 00:39:57,994 --> 00:40:00,364 to produce $1 of revenue for our company. 845 00:40:00,364 --> 00:40:03,000 When I learned, I was flabbergasted. 846 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,070 (machinery whirring) 847 00:40:10,273 --> 00:40:15,278 We're leaving a terrible legacy of poisoning 848 00:40:15,579 --> 00:40:18,749 and diminishment of the environment 849 00:40:19,849 --> 00:40:22,585 for our grandchildren's grandchildren, 850 00:40:23,521 --> 00:40:25,623 generations not yet born. 851 00:40:26,657 --> 00:40:29,660 Some people have called that intergenerational tyranny 852 00:40:29,659 --> 00:40:33,263 a form of taxation without representation 853 00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:36,534 levied by us on generations yet to be. 854 00:40:40,003 --> 00:40:41,438 It's the wrong thing to do. 855 00:40:44,407 --> 00:40:45,909 (eerie ambient music) 856 00:40:45,909 --> 00:40:48,011 - One of the questions that comes up periodically 857 00:40:48,012 --> 00:40:50,280 is to what extent could a corporation be 858 00:40:51,215 --> 00:40:53,851 considered to be psychopathic. 859 00:40:53,851 --> 00:40:56,420 And if we look at a corporation as a legal person, 860 00:40:56,420 --> 00:40:58,956 then it may not be that difficult 861 00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:00,024 to actually draw the transition 862 00:41:00,023 --> 00:41:01,958 between psychopathy in the individual 863 00:41:01,958 --> 00:41:04,627 to psychopathy in a corporation. 864 00:41:04,628 --> 00:41:05,696 We can go through the characteristics 865 00:41:05,695 --> 00:41:09,232 that define this particular disorder one by one 866 00:41:09,233 --> 00:41:11,469 and see how they might apply to corporations. 867 00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:22,745 They would have all the characteristics. 868 00:41:22,746 --> 00:41:25,715 And in fact, in many respects, a corporation of that sort 869 00:41:25,715 --> 00:41:28,117 is as a prototypical psychopath. 870 00:41:34,525 --> 00:41:36,460 - [Narrator] If the dominant institution of our time 871 00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:39,195 has been created in the image of a psychopath, 872 00:41:39,195 --> 00:41:42,199 who bears the moral responsibility for its actions? 873 00:41:44,668 --> 00:41:47,538 - Can a building have moral opinions? 874 00:41:47,538 --> 00:41:50,306 Can a building have social responsibility? 875 00:41:50,306 --> 00:41:52,942 If a building can't have social responsibility, 876 00:41:52,943 --> 00:41:55,546 what does it mean to say that a corporation can? 877 00:41:55,545 --> 00:42:00,384 A corporation is simply a artificial legal structure, 878 00:42:00,384 --> 00:42:02,552 but the people who are engaged in it, 879 00:42:02,552 --> 00:42:06,222 whether the stockholders, whether the executives in it, 880 00:42:06,222 --> 00:42:07,991 whether the employees, 881 00:42:07,992 --> 00:42:10,861 they all have moral responsibilities. 882 00:42:10,860 --> 00:42:13,763 (light electronic music) 883 00:42:13,764 --> 00:42:16,467 - It's a fair assumption that every human being, 884 00:42:16,467 --> 00:42:19,903 real human beings, flesh-and-blood ones, not corporations, 885 00:42:19,903 --> 00:42:22,706 but every flesh-and-blood human being is a moral person. 886 00:42:23,673 --> 00:42:24,708 Got the same genes, 887 00:42:24,708 --> 00:42:26,911 we're more or less the same, 888 00:42:26,911 --> 00:42:30,847 but our nature, the nature of humans, 889 00:42:30,847 --> 00:42:33,317 allows all kinds of behavior. 890 00:42:33,317 --> 00:42:36,619 Every one of us under some circumstances could be 891 00:42:39,556 --> 00:42:41,357 a gas chamber attendant and a saint. 892 00:42:43,226 --> 00:42:47,964 - No job in my experience with Goodyear 893 00:42:47,965 --> 00:42:51,702 has been as frustrating as the CEO job, 894 00:42:51,702 --> 00:42:54,305 because even though the perception is 895 00:42:54,304 --> 00:42:56,973 that you have absolute power to do whatever you want, 896 00:42:56,974 --> 00:42:59,742 the reality is you don't have that power. 897 00:42:59,742 --> 00:43:03,047 Sometimes if you had really a free hand, 898 00:43:03,047 --> 00:43:05,516 if you really did what you wanted to do 899 00:43:05,516 --> 00:43:10,287 that suits you personal sorts and your personal priorities, 900 00:43:10,286 --> 00:43:11,754 you'd act differently, 901 00:43:11,755 --> 00:43:13,891 but as a CEO you cannot do that. 902 00:43:14,891 --> 00:43:17,627 Layoffs have become so widespread 903 00:43:17,628 --> 00:43:22,633 that people tend to believe that CEOs make these decisions 904 00:43:23,032 --> 00:43:24,500 without any consideration 905 00:43:24,501 --> 00:43:27,403 to the human implications of their decisions. 906 00:43:27,403 --> 00:43:31,909 It is never a decision that any CEO makes lightly. 907 00:43:31,909 --> 00:43:33,242 It is a tough decision, 908 00:43:35,478 --> 00:43:40,483 but it is the consequence of modern capitalism. 909 00:43:42,251 --> 00:43:43,753 - When you look at a corporation, 910 00:43:43,753 --> 00:43:46,222 just like when you look at a slave owner, 911 00:43:46,222 --> 00:43:47,891 you want to distinguish 912 00:43:47,891 --> 00:43:50,527 between the institution and individual. 913 00:43:50,527 --> 00:43:53,097 So slavery for example, 914 00:43:53,097 --> 00:43:55,466 or other forms of tyranny, 915 00:43:55,465 --> 00:43:57,734 are inherently monstrous, 916 00:43:57,735 --> 00:43:59,937 but the individuals participating in them 917 00:43:59,936 --> 00:44:02,338 may be the nicest guys you can imagine, 918 00:44:02,338 --> 00:44:04,273 benevolent, friendly, 919 00:44:04,273 --> 00:44:05,643 nice to the children, 920 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:08,012 even nice to their slaves, 921 00:44:08,012 --> 00:44:10,847 caring about other people. 922 00:44:10,847 --> 00:44:12,650 As individuals they may be anything, 923 00:44:14,184 --> 00:44:17,054 as in their institutional role they're monstrous 924 00:44:17,054 --> 00:44:19,123 because the institution's monstrous, 925 00:44:19,123 --> 00:44:20,423 and the same is true here. 926 00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:24,361 - My wife and I some years ago 927 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,463 had at our home a demonstration. 928 00:44:28,364 --> 00:44:29,666 25 people arrive. 929 00:44:29,666 --> 00:44:32,670 They hung a big banner on the top of our house 930 00:44:32,670 --> 00:44:34,204 saying "murderers." 931 00:44:34,204 --> 00:44:36,707 They danced around outside in gas masks and so on. 932 00:44:38,474 --> 00:44:39,308 - [Man] Who are you? 933 00:44:39,309 --> 00:44:40,778 - [John] My name's John. 934 00:44:40,777 --> 00:44:42,645 - You're not looking at me when you say it. 935 00:44:42,646 --> 00:44:43,480 You have to be a little bit careful 936 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,449 because I'm very sensitive to people who are not friendly. 937 00:44:47,818 --> 00:44:50,421 Did you know that we are recorded and filmed? 938 00:44:50,420 --> 00:44:51,621 - [Man] No. 939 00:44:51,621 --> 00:44:53,289 - Well, you'll see yourself on television. 940 00:44:53,289 --> 00:44:54,123 - I think it would've been polite 941 00:44:54,123 --> 00:44:55,192 to have mentioned it. 942 00:44:55,192 --> 00:44:56,659 I mean here we are- 943 00:44:56,659 --> 00:44:57,493 - Politeness? 944 00:44:57,494 --> 00:45:00,164 This man is involved in a corporation 945 00:45:00,164 --> 00:45:02,700 which is funding directly, police, 946 00:45:02,699 --> 00:45:05,301 which this corporation has admitted- 947 00:45:05,302 --> 00:45:06,537 - [Woman] Who is the corporation? 948 00:45:06,536 --> 00:45:08,172 - [John] A corporation is an organization of 949 00:45:08,172 --> 00:45:10,206 individuals, and this individual is part 950 00:45:10,206 --> 00:45:11,574 of that corporation, 951 00:45:11,574 --> 00:45:12,408 so he's responsible. 952 00:45:12,409 --> 00:45:14,945 - As a public demonstration it wasn't very effective. 953 00:45:14,945 --> 00:45:15,979 There were only two, 954 00:45:15,978 --> 00:45:17,447 this is a very rural area, 955 00:45:17,447 --> 00:45:18,481 two people and a dog, 956 00:45:18,481 --> 00:45:19,682 and it's not a very big house, 957 00:45:19,682 --> 00:45:21,918 which I think rather surprised them. 958 00:45:21,918 --> 00:45:24,187 But then we sat down and talked to them 959 00:45:24,188 --> 00:45:25,989 for a couple of hours 960 00:45:25,989 --> 00:45:27,824 and we gave them tea and coffee 961 00:45:27,824 --> 00:45:29,358 and they had lunch on our lawn. 962 00:45:30,427 --> 00:45:31,428 - There's another coffee coming. 963 00:45:31,427 --> 00:45:33,529 And there's no, who wanted, 964 00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:35,499 sorry about the soya, anyway. 965 00:45:38,101 --> 00:45:39,670 - No need for you to be deceitful. 966 00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:42,472 Why didn't you just ask me whether I was in? 967 00:45:42,472 --> 00:45:44,641 - [Man] Hello, can we hang a murderer sign on your house? 968 00:45:44,641 --> 00:45:45,476 (all laughing) 969 00:45:45,476 --> 00:45:48,077 - And after about 20 minutes they said, 970 00:45:48,077 --> 00:45:50,748 "Well the problem's not you, it's Shell." 971 00:45:50,748 --> 00:45:51,749 I said, "Oh, wait a minute. 972 00:45:51,748 --> 00:45:54,684 Let's talk about what is Shell. 973 00:45:54,684 --> 00:45:56,487 It's made up of people like me." 974 00:45:56,487 --> 00:45:58,822 In the end what we found in that discussion 975 00:45:58,822 --> 00:46:00,590 was all the things that they were worried about, 976 00:46:00,590 --> 00:46:02,826 I was worried about as well, climate, 977 00:46:04,128 --> 00:46:06,764 oppressive regimes, human rights. 978 00:46:06,764 --> 00:46:09,432 The big difference between us was 979 00:46:09,432 --> 00:46:12,436 I feel that I actually can make a contribution to this. 980 00:46:12,436 --> 00:46:13,804 These people were frustrated 981 00:46:13,804 --> 00:46:16,773 because they felt they had nothing to do. 982 00:46:16,773 --> 00:46:19,742 - So an individual CEO, let's say, 983 00:46:19,742 --> 00:46:22,612 may really care about the environment, 984 00:46:22,612 --> 00:46:25,815 and in fact since they have such extraordinary resources, 985 00:46:25,815 --> 00:46:28,217 they can even devote some of their resources to that 986 00:46:28,217 --> 00:46:32,321 without violating their responsibility 987 00:46:32,322 --> 00:46:33,557 to be totally inhuman. 988 00:46:34,757 --> 00:46:35,992 - [Narrator] Which is why 989 00:46:35,992 --> 00:46:38,828 as the Moody-Stuarts served tea to protesters, 990 00:46:38,829 --> 00:46:42,266 Shell Nigeria can flare unrivaled amounts of gas, 991 00:46:42,266 --> 00:46:44,300 making it one of the world's single worst 992 00:46:44,300 --> 00:46:45,735 sources of pollution. 993 00:46:46,969 --> 00:46:49,772 And all the professed concerns about the environment 994 00:46:49,773 --> 00:46:53,277 do not spare Ken Saro-Wiwa and eight other activists 995 00:46:53,277 --> 00:46:54,644 from being hanged 996 00:46:54,644 --> 00:46:57,313 for opposing Shell's environmental practices 997 00:46:57,313 --> 00:46:58,581 in the Niger Delta. 998 00:46:58,581 --> 00:47:01,184 (somber music) 999 00:47:07,423 --> 00:47:08,759 - The corporation is not a person. 1000 00:47:08,759 --> 00:47:09,760 It doesn't think. 1001 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,295 People in it think. 1002 00:47:11,295 --> 00:47:13,096 And for them it is legitimate 1003 00:47:13,096 --> 00:47:15,833 to create Terminator technology 1004 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:20,637 so that farmers are not able to save their seeds, 1005 00:47:20,637 --> 00:47:25,642 seeds that will destroy themselves through a suicide gene, 1006 00:47:25,976 --> 00:47:30,981 seeds that are designed to only produce crop in one season. 1007 00:47:31,114 --> 00:47:33,817 You really need to have a brutal mind. 1008 00:47:33,817 --> 00:47:35,786 It's a war against evolution 1009 00:47:35,786 --> 00:47:38,255 to even think in those terms, 1010 00:47:38,255 --> 00:47:39,756 but quite clearly, 1011 00:47:39,755 --> 00:47:42,826 profits are so much higher in their minds. 1012 00:47:42,826 --> 00:47:43,793 (light orchestral music) 1013 00:47:43,793 --> 00:47:45,962 - [Narrator] The profit motive which drove Fudsy 1014 00:47:45,963 --> 00:47:48,699 to accomplish so much may bring out the evil 1015 00:47:50,333 --> 00:47:51,500 as well as the good. 1016 00:47:53,269 --> 00:47:54,237 (phones ringing) 1017 00:47:54,237 --> 00:47:55,105 - [Both Men] Hello? 1018 00:47:57,807 --> 00:48:00,210 - My work spans all industry sectors 1019 00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:04,914 I virtually have worked for I'd say 25% of the Fortune 500. 1020 00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:08,851 I've posed as an investment banker. 1021 00:48:08,851 --> 00:48:13,022 I've posed as a venture capitalist. 1022 00:48:13,023 --> 00:48:14,591 I set up front companies 1023 00:48:14,590 --> 00:48:19,596 that are executive recruiting firms. 1024 00:48:20,197 --> 00:48:21,565 Essentially I'm a spy. 1025 00:48:24,268 --> 00:48:26,802 I'll locate your employees 1026 00:48:26,802 --> 00:48:28,871 and I will tell them that 1027 00:48:28,871 --> 00:48:31,040 I'm calling from Acme Recruiting Agency 1028 00:48:31,041 --> 00:48:33,043 and that I've got a job 1029 00:48:33,043 --> 00:48:35,811 that pays them considerably more than what they're paying, 1030 00:48:35,811 --> 00:48:38,748 would they mind meeting me for an interview. 1031 00:48:38,748 --> 00:48:40,850 And when the executive shows up, 1032 00:48:40,851 --> 00:48:43,787 what he doesn't realize is I'm actually debriefing him 1033 00:48:43,786 --> 00:48:45,489 on behalf of a competitor 1034 00:48:45,489 --> 00:48:46,657 and that there is no job, 1035 00:48:46,657 --> 00:48:49,626 and that the office that he's at has been rented, 1036 00:48:49,626 --> 00:48:53,864 and the picture on my desk of my family is a phony, 1037 00:48:53,864 --> 00:48:57,634 and it's all just a big elaborate ruse 1038 00:48:57,634 --> 00:49:02,639 to glean competitive information from from him. 1039 00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:04,273 I don't feel any guilt. 1040 00:49:06,043 --> 00:49:06,876 You know what? 1041 00:49:06,876 --> 00:49:10,646 You have to expect that guys like me are out there. 1042 00:49:13,884 --> 00:49:15,585 We're predators. 1043 00:49:15,585 --> 00:49:18,088 (scary music) 1044 00:49:22,291 --> 00:49:23,726 It's about competition. 1045 00:49:23,726 --> 00:49:24,927 It's about market share. 1046 00:49:24,927 --> 00:49:26,929 It's about being aggressive. 1047 00:49:26,929 --> 00:49:29,031 It's about shareholder value. 1048 00:49:29,032 --> 00:49:30,534 What is your stock at today? 1049 00:49:31,902 --> 00:49:33,302 If you're a CEO, 1050 00:49:35,706 --> 00:49:39,443 do you think your shareholders really care 1051 00:49:39,443 --> 00:49:41,345 whether you're Billy Buttercup or not? 1052 00:49:42,346 --> 00:49:46,483 Do you think that they would prefer you to be a nice guy 1053 00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:49,619 over having money in their pocket? 1054 00:49:49,619 --> 00:49:51,321 I don't think so. 1055 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:52,755 I think people want money. 1056 00:49:52,755 --> 00:49:54,391 That's the bottom line. 1057 00:49:54,391 --> 00:49:56,026 - The fact that most of these companies 1058 00:49:56,025 --> 00:49:59,395 are run by white men, white rich men, 1059 00:49:59,396 --> 00:50:01,098 means that they are out of touch 1060 00:50:01,097 --> 00:50:03,065 with what the majority of the world is, 1061 00:50:03,065 --> 00:50:04,667 because the majority of this planet 1062 00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:07,304 are not a bunch of rich white guys. 1063 00:50:07,304 --> 00:50:09,940 They're people of other colors, they're the majority, 1064 00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:11,942 women are the majority, 1065 00:50:11,942 --> 00:50:14,177 and the poor and working poor 1066 00:50:14,177 --> 00:50:16,713 make up the majority of this planet. 1067 00:50:16,713 --> 00:50:20,617 So the decisions that they make come from 1068 00:50:20,617 --> 00:50:25,155 not the reality that exists throughout the world. 1069 00:50:25,155 --> 00:50:26,523 How much is enough? 1070 00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:27,356 How much is enough? 1071 00:50:27,356 --> 00:50:29,159 If you are a billionaire, 1072 00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:31,595 would it be okay just to be a half a billionaire? 1073 00:50:31,594 --> 00:50:33,329 Wouldn't it be okay for your company 1074 00:50:33,329 --> 00:50:35,032 to make a little less money if it meant- 1075 00:50:35,032 --> 00:50:37,800 When I bought those two airplane tickets 1076 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,936 for Phil Knight and myself to fly to Indonesia, 1077 00:50:40,936 --> 00:50:44,206 I was prepared for him to say, "Okay, let's go." 1078 00:50:44,206 --> 00:50:45,041 Sunday? 1079 00:50:45,041 --> 00:50:47,210 - Oh no, (laughs) not a chance. 1080 00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:48,010 - Huh? - Not a chance. 1081 00:50:48,010 --> 00:50:48,844 - No? - No, but- 1082 00:50:48,844 --> 00:50:49,678 - They're transferable. 1083 00:50:49,679 --> 00:50:50,514 I can change it to another day. 1084 00:50:50,514 --> 00:50:52,449 And call me on it, call my bluff, 1085 00:50:52,449 --> 00:50:53,682 he's a smart guy, 1086 00:50:53,682 --> 00:50:54,885 he's not stupid, 1087 00:50:54,885 --> 00:50:56,820 and so I thought, "Okay, get ready for this," 1088 00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:59,389 especially because I bought first-class tickets 1089 00:50:59,389 --> 00:51:02,159 so it'd be a comfortable ride at least. 1090 00:51:04,994 --> 00:51:07,396 And of course he tells me then on camera. 1091 00:51:07,396 --> 00:51:08,798 - [Phil] I've never been to Indonesia. 1092 00:51:08,798 --> 00:51:10,434 - (laughs) I'm taken aback by this. 1093 00:51:10,434 --> 00:51:12,436 I can't believe that the guy is the head of the company, 1094 00:51:12,436 --> 00:51:15,072 has never walked through his own factories. 1095 00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:15,972 Oh, well you've gotta go. 1096 00:51:15,972 --> 00:51:18,842 - No, I can't go between now and the rest of this year. 1097 00:51:18,842 --> 00:51:20,943 - When we were done filming he calls me up 1098 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:23,713 a couple weeks later and he goes, 1099 00:51:23,713 --> 00:51:25,949 "I may have a chance to go there with you, 1100 00:51:26,849 --> 00:51:28,085 to the factories. 1101 00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:28,918 (tennis ball smacking) 1102 00:51:28,918 --> 00:51:30,820 "I'm going to the Australian Open 1103 00:51:31,887 --> 00:51:33,190 to watch some tennis, 1104 00:51:34,356 --> 00:51:39,096 and (laughs) maybe I can get up there, 1105 00:51:39,096 --> 00:51:40,697 or at least you can go there. 1106 00:51:41,965 --> 00:51:43,900 Would you like to go to the Australian Open?" 1107 00:51:43,900 --> 00:51:46,001 (laughs) 1108 00:51:47,036 --> 00:51:49,972 - For 21 years I never gave a thought 1109 00:51:49,972 --> 00:51:54,478 to what we were taking from the earth or doing to the earth 1110 00:51:54,478 --> 00:51:56,313 in the making of our products, 1111 00:51:56,313 --> 00:51:59,916 and then in the summer of 1994 1112 00:51:59,916 --> 00:52:02,318 we began to hear questions from our customers 1113 00:52:02,318 --> 00:52:03,586 we've never heard before, 1114 00:52:03,586 --> 00:52:06,590 "What's your company doing for the environment?" 1115 00:52:06,590 --> 00:52:08,191 And we didn't have answers. 1116 00:52:08,190 --> 00:52:10,826 The real answer was not very much, 1117 00:52:10,827 --> 00:52:13,730 and it really disturbed many of our people, 1118 00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:15,965 not me so much as them. 1119 00:52:15,965 --> 00:52:18,501 And a group in our research department 1120 00:52:19,369 --> 00:52:21,403 decided to convene a task force 1121 00:52:21,403 --> 00:52:24,306 and bring people from our businesses around the world 1122 00:52:24,306 --> 00:52:25,708 to come together to assess 1123 00:52:25,708 --> 00:52:28,477 our company's worldwide environmental position, 1124 00:52:28,478 --> 00:52:31,780 to begin to frame answers for those customers. 1125 00:52:31,780 --> 00:52:34,617 They asked me if I would come and speak to that group 1126 00:52:34,617 --> 00:52:36,286 and give them a kickoff speech 1127 00:52:36,286 --> 00:52:39,556 to launch this new task force with an environmental vision, 1128 00:52:40,789 --> 00:52:44,161 and I didn't have an environmental vision. 1129 00:52:44,161 --> 00:52:46,596 I did not want to make that speech. 1130 00:52:47,463 --> 00:52:50,333 And at sort of the propitious moment 1131 00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:52,001 this book landed on my desk. 1132 00:52:52,001 --> 00:52:56,405 It was Paul Hawken's book "The Ecology of Commerce." 1133 00:52:56,405 --> 00:52:58,875 And I began to read "The Ecology of Commerce", 1134 00:52:58,875 --> 00:53:00,911 really desperate for inspiration, 1135 00:53:00,911 --> 00:53:04,548 and very quickly into that book 1136 00:53:04,547 --> 00:53:07,316 I found the phrase "the death of birth." 1137 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:12,521 It was E.O Wilson's expression for species extinction, 1138 00:53:12,521 --> 00:53:13,623 "the death of birth," 1139 00:53:13,623 --> 00:53:17,894 and it was a point of a spear into my chest. 1140 00:53:17,893 --> 00:53:20,296 And I read on and the spear went deeper, 1141 00:53:20,297 --> 00:53:22,264 and it became an epiphanal experience, 1142 00:53:22,264 --> 00:53:26,235 a total change of mindset for myself, 1143 00:53:26,235 --> 00:53:28,871 and a change of paradigm. 1144 00:53:28,871 --> 00:53:32,241 (dramatic orchestral music) 1145 00:53:32,242 --> 00:53:34,544 Can any product be made sustainably? 1146 00:53:34,543 --> 00:53:36,612 Well, not any and every product. 1147 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,449 Can you make landmines sustainably? 1148 00:53:40,449 --> 00:53:41,650 Well, I don't think so. 1149 00:53:43,018 --> 00:53:44,721 There's a more fundamental question 1150 00:53:44,721 --> 00:53:47,123 than that about landmines. 1151 00:53:47,123 --> 00:53:49,192 Some products ought not be made at all. 1152 00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:53,629 Unless we can make carpets sustainably, 1153 00:53:54,664 --> 00:53:57,934 perhaps we don't have a place in a sustainable world. 1154 00:53:57,934 --> 00:54:02,539 but neither does anybody else making products unsustainably. 1155 00:54:03,907 --> 00:54:06,309 One day early in this journey 1156 00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:11,314 it dawned on me that the way I've been running Interface 1157 00:54:11,380 --> 00:54:12,882 is the way of the plunderer, 1158 00:54:14,117 --> 00:54:16,553 plundering something that's not mine, 1159 00:54:16,552 --> 00:54:20,656 something that belongs to every creature on earth. 1160 00:54:20,657 --> 00:54:23,693 And I said to myself, "My goodness, 1161 00:54:23,693 --> 00:54:26,096 the day must come when this is illegal, 1162 00:54:27,364 --> 00:54:30,066 when plundering is not allowed. 1163 00:54:30,065 --> 00:54:31,367 It must come." 1164 00:54:33,036 --> 00:54:34,503 I said to myself, "My goodness, 1165 00:54:34,503 --> 00:54:37,574 someday people like me will end up in jail." 1166 00:54:37,574 --> 00:54:40,710 (contemplative music) 1167 00:54:46,416 --> 00:54:48,018 - I gotta be honest with you. 1168 00:54:48,018 --> 00:54:50,253 When the September 11 situation happened 1169 00:54:51,420 --> 00:54:53,389 I didn't know that the, (laughs) 1170 00:54:53,389 --> 00:54:54,523 and I must say 1171 00:54:54,523 --> 00:54:57,559 and I want to say this because 1172 00:54:59,195 --> 00:55:00,497 I don't want to take it lightly, 1173 00:55:00,496 --> 00:55:01,830 it's not a light situation, 1174 00:55:01,831 --> 00:55:05,367 it's a devastating act, 1175 00:55:05,367 --> 00:55:08,003 it was really a bad thing, 1176 00:55:08,003 --> 00:55:10,472 one of the worst things I've seen in my lifetime, 1177 00:55:11,541 --> 00:55:14,711 but I will tell you and every trader will tell you, 1178 00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:16,645 who was not in that building 1179 00:55:16,646 --> 00:55:20,283 and who was buying gold and who owned gold and silver, 1180 00:55:20,282 --> 00:55:22,018 that when it happened 1181 00:55:22,018 --> 00:55:24,119 the first thing you thought about was, 1182 00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:25,554 "Well how much is gold up?" 1183 00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:28,291 The first thing that came to mind was, 1184 00:55:28,291 --> 00:55:30,693 "My god, gold must be exploding." 1185 00:55:31,628 --> 00:55:34,130 Fortunately for us, all our clients were in gold, 1186 00:55:35,264 --> 00:55:36,266 so when it went up, 1187 00:55:36,266 --> 00:55:38,534 they all doubled their money! 1188 00:55:38,534 --> 00:55:40,036 Everybody doubled their money. 1189 00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:43,773 It was a blessing in disguise. 1190 00:55:43,773 --> 00:55:44,641 Devastating, 1191 00:55:46,141 --> 00:55:47,543 crushing, 1192 00:55:47,543 --> 00:55:49,144 heart-shattering, 1193 00:55:49,144 --> 00:55:50,913 but on a financial sense, 1194 00:55:50,914 --> 00:55:52,682 for my clients that were in the market, 1195 00:55:52,681 --> 00:55:53,515 they all made money. 1196 00:55:53,516 --> 00:55:56,086 Now I wasn't looking for this type of help, 1197 00:55:59,856 --> 00:56:00,724 but it happened. 1198 00:56:00,724 --> 00:56:05,729 When the U.S. bombed Iraq back in 1991 1199 00:56:05,961 --> 00:56:09,164 the price of oil went from $13 1200 00:56:09,164 --> 00:56:11,668 to $40 a barrel for Christ's sake. 1201 00:56:12,936 --> 00:56:14,237 Now we couldn't wait for the bomb 1202 00:56:14,237 --> 00:56:16,840 to start raining down on Saddam Hussein. 1203 00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:20,276 (light electronic music) 1204 00:56:21,945 --> 00:56:23,113 We were all excited. 1205 00:56:23,112 --> 00:56:25,714 We wanted Saddam to really create problems, 1206 00:56:25,715 --> 00:56:27,182 do whatever you have to do, 1207 00:56:27,182 --> 00:56:28,818 set fire to some more oil wells, 1208 00:56:28,818 --> 00:56:30,787 because the price is gonna go higher. 1209 00:56:30,786 --> 00:56:32,254 Every broker was chanting that. 1210 00:56:32,255 --> 00:56:33,890 There was not a broker that I know of 1211 00:56:33,889 --> 00:56:35,424 that wasn't excited about that. 1212 00:56:38,594 --> 00:56:39,461 This was a disaster. 1213 00:56:39,461 --> 00:56:42,297 This was something that was a catastrophe happening, 1214 00:56:42,297 --> 00:56:43,465 bombing, wars. 1215 00:56:46,034 --> 00:56:48,437 In devastation there is opportunity. 1216 00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,143 (dramatic orchestral music) 1217 00:56:53,143 --> 00:56:55,512 - [Narrator] The pursuit of profit is an old story, 1218 00:56:55,512 --> 00:56:57,914 but there was a time when many things were regarded 1219 00:56:57,914 --> 00:57:01,584 either as too sacred or too essential for the public good 1220 00:57:01,583 --> 00:57:04,620 to be considered business opportunities. 1221 00:57:04,621 --> 00:57:07,657 They were protected by tradition and public regulation. 1222 00:57:15,532 --> 00:57:17,467 - We can really begin to take a look 1223 00:57:17,467 --> 00:57:19,735 at the emergence of the modern age 1224 00:57:19,735 --> 00:57:22,638 with the enclosure movements of the Great European Commons 1225 00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,742 in the 14th, 15th, and 16th century. 1226 00:57:25,742 --> 00:57:29,012 Medieval life was a collectively lived life. 1227 00:57:29,012 --> 00:57:31,080 It was a brutish, nasty affair, 1228 00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,715 but there was a collective responsibility. 1229 00:57:33,715 --> 00:57:34,983 People belong to the land. 1230 00:57:34,983 --> 00:57:36,985 The land did not belong to people, 1231 00:57:36,985 --> 00:57:38,954 and in this European world, 1232 00:57:38,954 --> 00:57:41,757 people farmed the land in a collective way 1233 00:57:41,757 --> 00:57:43,192 because they saw it as a commons. 1234 00:57:43,193 --> 00:57:44,394 It belonged to God, 1235 00:57:44,393 --> 00:57:47,830 and then it was administered by the church, the aristocracy, 1236 00:57:47,831 --> 00:57:52,268 and then the local manors as stewards of God's creation. 1237 00:57:53,369 --> 00:57:55,171 Beginning with Tudor England 1238 00:57:55,170 --> 00:57:56,905 we began to see a phenomenon emerge, 1239 00:57:56,905 --> 00:57:59,275 and that is the enclosure of the great commons 1240 00:57:59,275 --> 00:58:02,010 by parliamentary acts in England and then in Europe. 1241 00:58:02,010 --> 00:58:03,646 And so first we began to take 1242 00:58:03,646 --> 00:58:05,281 the great land masses of the world 1243 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,083 which were commons and shared, 1244 00:58:07,083 --> 00:58:09,485 and we reduced those to private property. 1245 00:58:09,485 --> 00:58:10,920 Then we went after the oceans, 1246 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,021 the great oceanic commons, 1247 00:58:12,021 --> 00:58:14,791 and we created laws and regulations 1248 00:58:14,791 --> 00:58:16,559 that would allow countries to claim 1249 00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:18,595 a certain amount of water outside 1250 00:58:18,594 --> 00:58:21,129 their coastal limits for exploitation. 1251 00:58:21,130 --> 00:58:22,999 In this century we went after the air 1252 00:58:22,998 --> 00:58:24,867 and we divided it into air corridors 1253 00:58:24,867 --> 00:58:26,101 that could be bought and sold 1254 00:58:26,101 --> 00:58:28,704 for commercial traffic for airplanes, 1255 00:58:28,704 --> 00:58:31,807 and then of course the rest is history. 1256 00:58:31,807 --> 00:58:34,476 (ominous music) 1257 00:58:39,916 --> 00:58:41,751 (people applauding) 1258 00:58:41,751 --> 00:58:45,722 - With deregulation, privatization, free trade, 1259 00:58:45,722 --> 00:58:50,326 what we're seeing is yet another enclosure, 1260 00:58:50,326 --> 00:58:53,929 and if you like, private taking of the commons. 1261 00:58:54,864 --> 00:58:56,833 One of the things I find very interesting 1262 00:58:56,833 --> 00:58:58,367 in our current debates 1263 00:58:58,367 --> 00:59:01,804 is this concept of who creates wealth, 1264 00:59:01,804 --> 00:59:06,409 that wealth is only created when it's owned privately. 1265 00:59:06,409 --> 00:59:09,746 What would you call clean water, fresh air, 1266 00:59:09,746 --> 00:59:10,914 a safe environment? 1267 00:59:10,914 --> 00:59:13,082 Are they not a form of wealth? 1268 00:59:13,081 --> 00:59:15,250 And why does it only become wealth 1269 00:59:15,251 --> 00:59:18,153 when some entity puts a fence around it 1270 00:59:18,153 --> 00:59:20,322 and declares it private property? 1271 00:59:20,322 --> 00:59:22,424 Well, that's not wealth creation. 1272 00:59:22,425 --> 00:59:23,793 That's wealth usurption. 1273 00:59:25,961 --> 00:59:28,498 - Over the centuries we have put more and more things 1274 00:59:28,498 --> 00:59:29,731 in that public realm, 1275 00:59:29,731 --> 00:59:31,166 and lately, just lately, 1276 00:59:31,166 --> 00:59:33,068 in the last let's say three or four decades, 1277 00:59:33,068 --> 00:59:34,771 started pulling them out again. 1278 00:59:34,771 --> 00:59:37,640 So firefighters, for instance. 1279 00:59:37,639 --> 00:59:38,473 (coughing) 1280 00:59:38,474 --> 00:59:40,809 - [Narrator] This man needs the fire department. 1281 00:59:40,809 --> 00:59:44,313 - [Matt] Firefighters started as private companies. 1282 00:59:44,313 --> 00:59:45,949 - [Narrator] Yes, and lots of other people 1283 00:59:45,949 --> 00:59:48,483 need the fire department too. 1284 00:59:48,483 --> 00:59:50,152 - And if you didn't have the medallion 1285 00:59:50,152 --> 00:59:53,322 of a given firefighter brigade on your house 1286 00:59:53,322 --> 00:59:54,656 and it was on fire, 1287 00:59:54,657 --> 00:59:57,160 then those firefighters would just ride on by, 1288 00:59:57,159 --> 00:59:59,428 because you didn't have a deal. 1289 00:59:59,429 --> 01:00:02,764 Well, we gradually evolved a public trust 1290 01:00:02,764 --> 01:00:06,702 for the provision of safety on that very specific level. 1291 01:00:09,172 --> 01:00:09,972 This is important. 1292 01:00:09,972 --> 01:00:11,641 We should not go back from that 1293 01:00:11,641 --> 01:00:13,309 and start saying, "Well, 1294 01:00:13,309 --> 01:00:14,711 why don't we put that back in the market 1295 01:00:14,710 --> 01:00:15,544 and see what that does. 1296 01:00:15,545 --> 01:00:17,380 Maybe it'll make it more efficient." 1297 01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:21,050 (dramatic orchestral music) 1298 01:00:26,356 --> 01:00:28,391 - The privatization does not mean 1299 01:00:28,391 --> 01:00:30,793 you take a public institution 1300 01:00:30,793 --> 01:00:32,394 and give it to some nice person. 1301 01:00:35,164 --> 01:00:37,000 It means you take a public institution 1302 01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,068 and give it to an unaccountable tyranny. 1303 01:00:44,239 --> 01:00:46,975 Public institutions have many side benefits. 1304 01:00:47,976 --> 01:00:51,114 For one thing they may purposely run at a loss. 1305 01:00:51,114 --> 01:00:52,715 They're not out for profit. 1306 01:00:52,715 --> 01:00:54,784 They may purposely run at a loss 1307 01:00:54,784 --> 01:00:56,653 because of the side benefits. 1308 01:00:56,652 --> 01:01:00,656 So for example, if a public steel industry runs at a loss, 1309 01:01:00,657 --> 01:01:03,826 it's providing cheap steel to other industries. 1310 01:01:03,826 --> 01:01:05,128 Maybe that's a good thing. 1311 01:01:07,195 --> 01:01:10,333 Public institutions can have a counter-cyclic property, 1312 01:01:10,333 --> 01:01:13,836 so that means that they can maintain employment 1313 01:01:13,835 --> 01:01:15,904 in periods of recession, 1314 01:01:15,905 --> 01:01:17,306 which increases demand, 1315 01:01:17,306 --> 01:01:19,175 which helps you get out of recession. 1316 01:01:20,143 --> 01:01:21,644 A private company can't do that. 1317 01:01:21,643 --> 01:01:24,546 The recession, throw out the workforce, so you make money. 1318 01:01:25,514 --> 01:01:28,083 - There are those who intend that one day 1319 01:01:28,083 --> 01:01:30,652 everything will be owned by somebody. 1320 01:01:30,652 --> 01:01:33,255 And we're not just talking goods here. 1321 01:01:33,255 --> 01:01:36,525 We're talking human rights, human services, 1322 01:01:36,525 --> 01:01:38,661 essential services for life, 1323 01:01:38,661 --> 01:01:40,762 education, public health, 1324 01:01:40,762 --> 01:01:43,865 social assistance, pensions, housing. 1325 01:01:45,101 --> 01:01:46,836 We're also talking about 1326 01:01:47,737 --> 01:01:50,907 the survival of the planet, 1327 01:01:50,907 --> 01:01:54,811 the areas that we believe must be maintained 1328 01:01:54,811 --> 01:01:57,013 in the commons or under common control 1329 01:01:57,012 --> 01:01:59,481 or we will collectively die, 1330 01:01:59,481 --> 01:02:01,516 water and air. 1331 01:02:01,516 --> 01:02:04,786 (dramatic orchestral music) 1332 01:02:04,786 --> 01:02:07,422 - Even in the case of air there's been some progress. 1333 01:02:09,025 --> 01:02:10,358 And here the idea is to say, 1334 01:02:10,358 --> 01:02:13,663 "Look, we can't avoid the dumping of carbon dioxide. 1335 01:02:13,663 --> 01:02:15,898 We can't avoid the dumping of sulphur oxides. 1336 01:02:15,898 --> 01:02:18,300 At least we can't at the moment afford to stop doing that." 1337 01:02:18,300 --> 01:02:20,936 So we're dumping a certain amount of stuff 1338 01:02:20,936 --> 01:02:21,770 into the environment, 1339 01:02:21,771 --> 01:02:23,539 so we're going to say 1340 01:02:23,539 --> 01:02:27,643 with the current tonnage of sulphur oxides for example, 1341 01:02:27,643 --> 01:02:29,244 we will say that is the limit 1342 01:02:30,246 --> 01:02:33,750 and we'll create permits for that amount, 1343 01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:34,851 we'd give them to the people 1344 01:02:34,851 --> 01:02:36,452 who've been doing the polluting, 1345 01:02:36,452 --> 01:02:38,521 and now we will permit them to be traded. 1346 01:02:39,856 --> 01:02:42,492 And so now there's a price attached 1347 01:02:42,492 --> 01:02:44,293 to polluting the environment. 1348 01:02:45,927 --> 01:02:46,828 Now wouldn't it be marvelous 1349 01:02:46,829 --> 01:02:49,565 if we had one of those prices for everything? 1350 01:02:49,565 --> 01:02:51,367 - [Interviewer] It sounds like you're advocating 1351 01:02:51,367 --> 01:02:54,437 private ownership of every square inch of the planet. 1352 01:02:54,436 --> 01:02:55,337 - Absolutely. 1353 01:02:55,338 --> 01:03:00,243 - [Interviewer] Every cubic foot of air, water. 1354 01:03:00,242 --> 01:03:01,510 - It sounds outlandish to say 1355 01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:03,112 we want to have the whole universe, 1356 01:03:03,112 --> 01:03:05,148 the whole of the earth owned. 1357 01:03:05,148 --> 01:03:06,783 That doesn't mean I want to have 1358 01:03:06,782 --> 01:03:09,251 Joe Bloggs owning this square foot, 1359 01:03:09,251 --> 01:03:11,052 but it means that the interests 1360 01:03:11,052 --> 01:03:13,655 that are involved in that stream 1361 01:03:14,757 --> 01:03:19,295 are owned by some group or by some people 1362 01:03:19,295 --> 01:03:20,730 who have an interest in maintaining it. 1363 01:03:20,730 --> 01:03:24,934 And that is not such a loony idea. 1364 01:03:24,934 --> 01:03:28,104 It's in fact the solution to a lot of these problems. 1365 01:03:28,103 --> 01:03:30,405 (light electronic music) 1366 01:03:30,405 --> 01:03:35,411 (party horn blowing) (people chattering) 1367 01:03:37,179 --> 01:03:39,382 - [Kid] I tried to throw it on there! 1368 01:03:39,382 --> 01:03:40,449 - [Narrator] Imagine a world in which 1369 01:03:40,449 --> 01:03:42,617 one of the things owned by a corporation 1370 01:03:42,617 --> 01:03:44,152 was the song "Happy Birthday." 1371 01:03:46,389 --> 01:03:50,459 In fact, an AOL Time Warner subsidiary holds the copyright. 1372 01:03:53,028 --> 01:03:56,398 In the past, it is demanded over $10,000 1373 01:03:56,398 --> 01:03:57,666 to allow you to hear anyone 1374 01:03:57,666 --> 01:03:59,568 sing this popular song in a film. 1375 01:04:01,804 --> 01:04:02,738 We didn't pay. 1376 01:04:04,306 --> 01:04:06,575 (air blowing) 1377 01:04:06,576 --> 01:04:07,777 We prefer to use the money 1378 01:04:07,777 --> 01:04:10,445 to fly our crew to Boston and Los Angeles 1379 01:04:10,445 --> 01:04:12,248 to bring you the following story. 1380 01:04:12,248 --> 01:04:15,217 - [Ad Announcer] Five, four, three, two, one! 1381 01:04:15,217 --> 01:04:17,085 Off into space! 1382 01:04:17,085 --> 01:04:19,621 Man, that takes real teamwork! 1383 01:04:19,621 --> 01:04:21,824 And here's a team of junior spacemen 1384 01:04:21,824 --> 01:04:23,826 with an out-of-this-world breakfast! 1385 01:04:23,826 --> 01:04:26,061 - [Susan] Comparing the marketing of yesteryear 1386 01:04:26,061 --> 01:04:27,563 to the marketing of today 1387 01:04:27,563 --> 01:04:31,233 is like comparing a BB gun to a smart bomb. 1388 01:04:31,233 --> 01:04:32,601 - [Ad Announcer] Refreshing V8 juice! 1389 01:04:32,601 --> 01:04:35,770 - It's not the same as when I was a kid 1390 01:04:35,771 --> 01:04:37,340 or even when the people 1391 01:04:37,340 --> 01:04:39,876 who are young adults today were kids. 1392 01:04:39,876 --> 01:04:42,778 (grand orchestral music) 1393 01:04:42,777 --> 01:04:47,148 It's much more sophisticated and it's much more pervasive. 1394 01:04:47,148 --> 01:04:52,153 It's not that products themselves are bad or good. 1395 01:04:53,521 --> 01:04:57,393 It's the notion of manipulating children 1396 01:04:57,393 --> 01:04:59,494 into buying the products. 1397 01:04:59,494 --> 01:05:01,396 (light electronic music) 1398 01:05:01,396 --> 01:05:04,900 In 1998, Western International Media, 1399 01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:07,736 Century City, and Lieberman Research Worldwide 1400 01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:09,771 conducted a study on nagging. 1401 01:05:11,539 --> 01:05:14,175 - We asked parents to keep a diary for three weeks 1402 01:05:14,175 --> 01:05:17,045 and to record every time, you could imagine, 1403 01:05:17,045 --> 01:05:21,149 every time their child nagged them for a product. 1404 01:05:21,150 --> 01:05:25,153 We asked them to record when, where, and why. 1405 01:05:29,090 --> 01:05:33,496 - This study was not to help parents cope with nagging. 1406 01:05:34,996 --> 01:05:37,065 It was to help corporations 1407 01:05:37,065 --> 01:05:40,969 help children nag for their products more effectively. 1408 01:05:42,972 --> 01:05:46,342 - Anywhere from 20% to 40% of purchases 1409 01:05:46,342 --> 01:05:47,777 would not have occurred 1410 01:05:47,777 --> 01:05:50,045 unless the child had nagged their parents. 1411 01:05:50,045 --> 01:05:52,514 That is we found, for example, 1412 01:05:52,514 --> 01:05:55,217 a quarter of all visits to theme parks 1413 01:05:55,217 --> 01:05:58,387 wouldn't have occurred unless a child nagged the parents. 1414 01:05:58,387 --> 01:06:00,690 Four out of 10 visits to places like Chuck E. Cheese 1415 01:06:00,690 --> 01:06:02,157 would not have occurred. 1416 01:06:02,157 --> 01:06:03,525 Any parent would understand that. 1417 01:06:03,525 --> 01:06:05,094 When I think of Chuck E. Cheese, 1418 01:06:05,094 --> 01:06:07,163 oh my goodness, it's noise. 1419 01:06:07,163 --> 01:06:08,965 ♪ Cause we're going to Chuck E. Cheese's ♪ 1420 01:06:08,965 --> 01:06:10,066 - And there's so many kids. 1421 01:06:10,065 --> 01:06:12,134 Why would I want to spend two hours there? 1422 01:06:12,134 --> 01:06:15,070 But if the child nags enough, you're gonna go. 1423 01:06:15,070 --> 01:06:17,105 We saw the same thing with movies, 1424 01:06:17,106 --> 01:06:19,942 with home video, with fast food. 1425 01:06:19,942 --> 01:06:21,911 We do have to break through this barrier 1426 01:06:21,911 --> 01:06:24,046 where they do tell us 1427 01:06:24,045 --> 01:06:27,449 or they say they don't like it when their kids nag. 1428 01:06:27,449 --> 01:06:31,086 Well that's just a general attitude that they possess. 1429 01:06:31,086 --> 01:06:34,824 It doesn't mean that they necessarily act on a product 1430 01:06:34,824 --> 01:06:36,057 100% of the time. 1431 01:06:39,027 --> 01:06:42,097 You can manipulate consumers 1432 01:06:42,097 --> 01:06:46,302 into wanting and therefore buying your products. 1433 01:06:46,302 --> 01:06:47,470 It's a game. 1434 01:06:49,204 --> 01:06:51,673 - Children are not little adults. 1435 01:06:51,673 --> 01:06:53,641 Their minds aren't developed. 1436 01:06:53,641 --> 01:06:55,143 And what's happening is that marketers 1437 01:06:55,143 --> 01:06:58,279 are playing to their developmental vulnerabilities. 1438 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,583 (dramatic orchestral music) 1439 01:07:00,583 --> 01:07:03,818 The advertising that children are exposed to today 1440 01:07:03,818 --> 01:07:06,654 is honed by psychologists, 1441 01:07:06,655 --> 01:07:09,291 it's enhanced by media technology 1442 01:07:09,291 --> 01:07:11,427 that nobody ever thought was possible. 1443 01:07:11,427 --> 01:07:14,797 - The more insight you have about the consumer, 1444 01:07:17,233 --> 01:07:18,601 the more creative you'll be 1445 01:07:18,601 --> 01:07:20,469 in your communication strategies. 1446 01:07:20,469 --> 01:07:22,070 So if that takes a psychologist, 1447 01:07:22,070 --> 01:07:25,074 yeah, we want one of those on staff. 1448 01:07:25,074 --> 01:07:26,175 - I'm not saying that it's wrong 1449 01:07:26,175 --> 01:07:27,943 to make things for children. 1450 01:07:29,045 --> 01:07:31,079 I also think it's important to distinguish 1451 01:07:31,079 --> 01:07:34,150 between psychologists who work on products for children, 1452 01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:38,454 who help toy corporations make toys 1453 01:07:38,454 --> 01:07:40,156 that are developmentally appropriate. 1454 01:07:40,155 --> 01:07:41,090 I think that's great. 1455 01:07:41,090 --> 01:07:43,159 That's different from selling the toys 1456 01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:45,394 directly to the children. 1457 01:07:45,393 --> 01:07:46,661 - Initiative is huge. 1458 01:07:46,661 --> 01:07:47,695 I think in the U.S. 1459 01:07:47,695 --> 01:07:51,634 we place about $12 billion of media time. 1460 01:07:51,634 --> 01:07:53,001 So we'll put it on TV, 1461 01:07:53,001 --> 01:07:54,036 we'll put it in print, 1462 01:07:54,036 --> 01:07:55,403 we'll put it up in outdoor, 1463 01:07:55,403 --> 01:07:57,239 we'll buy radio time. 1464 01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:01,376 So we're the biggest buyers of advertising time and space 1465 01:08:01,376 --> 01:08:03,478 in the U.S. and in the world. 1466 01:08:04,612 --> 01:08:07,916 - One family cannot combat an industry 1467 01:08:07,916 --> 01:08:11,554 that spends $12 billion a year trying to get their children. 1468 01:08:11,554 --> 01:08:12,454 They can't do it. 1469 01:08:13,355 --> 01:08:15,423 - They are tomorrow's adult consumers, 1470 01:08:15,423 --> 01:08:18,094 so start talking with them now, 1471 01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:20,362 build that relationship when they're younger, 1472 01:08:20,362 --> 01:08:21,963 and you've got them as an adult. 1473 01:08:24,966 --> 01:08:27,635 Somebody asked me, "Lucy, is that ethical? 1474 01:08:27,636 --> 01:08:30,039 You're essentially manipulating these children." 1475 01:08:30,038 --> 01:08:33,041 Well, yeah, is it ethical, I don't know, 1476 01:08:33,042 --> 01:08:37,012 but our role at Initiative is to move products, 1477 01:08:37,011 --> 01:08:39,014 and if we know you move products 1478 01:08:39,014 --> 01:08:41,217 with a certain creative execution 1479 01:08:41,216 --> 01:08:43,384 placed in a certain type of media vehicle, 1480 01:08:43,385 --> 01:08:45,521 then we've done our job. 1481 01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,956 ♪ Pull it push it grab it bump it save it race it ♪ 1482 01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:49,925 - Every institution provides 1483 01:08:49,925 --> 01:08:52,895 the people who are members of it 1484 01:08:52,895 --> 01:08:55,631 with a social role to occupy, 1485 01:08:55,631 --> 01:08:58,968 and typically institutions that are vibrant 1486 01:08:58,967 --> 01:09:01,569 and have a lot of power 1487 01:09:01,569 --> 01:09:03,838 will specify that role 1488 01:09:03,838 --> 01:09:06,375 in some sense as a list of virtues. 1489 01:09:06,375 --> 01:09:09,145 It's true for churches, for schools, 1490 01:09:09,145 --> 01:09:12,481 for any institution that has power over people 1491 01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:13,849 and shapes them. 1492 01:09:13,849 --> 01:09:15,050 - [Everyone] One nation. 1493 01:09:15,050 --> 01:09:16,217 - The corporation likewise, 1494 01:09:16,217 --> 01:09:19,020 it provides us with a list of virtues, 1495 01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:20,021 a kind of social role, 1496 01:09:20,021 --> 01:09:21,457 which is the good consumer. 1497 01:09:23,192 --> 01:09:25,161 - [Narrator] Like the waters of a mighty ocean, 1498 01:09:25,161 --> 01:09:28,364 people also represent a tremendous force, 1499 01:09:28,363 --> 01:09:31,032 the understanding of which is of greatest importance 1500 01:09:31,033 --> 01:09:33,636 to the American way of life. 1501 01:09:33,636 --> 01:09:36,238 This force is known as consumer power. 1502 01:09:37,739 --> 01:09:39,375 - The goal for the corporations 1503 01:09:39,375 --> 01:09:43,279 is to maximize profit and market share, 1504 01:09:43,279 --> 01:09:46,048 and they also have a goal for their target, 1505 01:09:46,047 --> 01:09:47,649 namely the population. 1506 01:09:47,649 --> 01:09:52,654 They have to be turned into completely mindless consumers 1507 01:09:52,887 --> 01:09:55,623 of goods that they do not want. 1508 01:09:55,623 --> 01:09:59,494 You have to develop what are called created wants. 1509 01:09:59,494 --> 01:10:01,863 So you have to create wants. 1510 01:10:01,863 --> 01:10:03,364 You have to impose on people 1511 01:10:03,364 --> 01:10:06,268 what's called a philosophy of futility. 1512 01:10:06,268 --> 01:10:11,172 You have to focus them on the insignificant things of life 1513 01:10:11,172 --> 01:10:13,309 like fashionable consumption. 1514 01:10:16,412 --> 01:10:19,515 I'm just basically quoting business literature. 1515 01:10:19,515 --> 01:10:20,883 And it makes perfect sense, 1516 01:10:20,882 --> 01:10:23,786 the ideal is to have individuals 1517 01:10:23,786 --> 01:10:26,622 who are totally dissociated from one another, 1518 01:10:26,622 --> 01:10:29,291 whose conception of themselves, 1519 01:10:29,291 --> 01:10:31,226 the sense of value is 1520 01:10:31,226 --> 01:10:34,596 just how many created wants can I satisfy. 1521 01:10:34,596 --> 01:10:37,800 (light chiming music) 1522 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:39,768 - [Narrator] These people are customers 1523 01:10:40,836 --> 01:10:43,439 because they are willing to trade money for widgets. 1524 01:10:44,305 --> 01:10:47,442 And all the customers take their widgets home 1525 01:10:47,443 --> 01:10:49,677 to all parts of the country. 1526 01:10:50,679 --> 01:10:53,315 Look at all that money the widget builder has taken in 1527 01:10:53,314 --> 01:10:55,483 from the sale of his widgets. 1528 01:10:55,484 --> 01:10:57,086 - With huge industries, 1529 01:10:57,086 --> 01:11:00,322 public relations industry is a monstrous industry, 1530 01:11:00,322 --> 01:11:02,391 advertising and so on, 1531 01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:05,094 which are designed from infancy 1532 01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:09,931 to try to mold people into this desired pattern. 1533 01:11:13,034 --> 01:11:14,869 (cheerful music) 1534 01:11:14,869 --> 01:11:16,104 - [Chris Voiceover] We saw Tiger Woods on TV 1535 01:11:16,104 --> 01:11:18,473 with a hat with a Nike logo on it, 1536 01:11:18,474 --> 01:11:21,409 and we figured he probably gets like millions of dollars 1537 01:11:21,409 --> 01:11:23,311 just to wear the hat on the press conference, 1538 01:11:23,311 --> 01:11:25,613 and therefore we figured we can do that for someone else 1539 01:11:25,613 --> 01:11:28,683 and hopefully get money in turn so we can go to school. 1540 01:11:29,551 --> 01:11:32,454 And that's how we came up with being corporately sponsored. 1541 01:11:32,453 --> 01:11:33,488 - [Luke] We made our sponsor announcement 1542 01:11:33,488 --> 01:11:35,256 on Today Show on June 18th. 1543 01:11:35,256 --> 01:11:37,358 - We're corporately sponsored by First USA. 1544 01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:39,194 First we'll be working with First USA 1545 01:11:39,194 --> 01:11:40,496 as our corporate sponsor 1546 01:11:40,496 --> 01:11:41,829 and they're covering our college tuition. 1547 01:11:41,829 --> 01:11:43,698 - We found First USA as our sponsor, 1548 01:11:43,698 --> 01:11:45,067 and we're proud to be working with them. 1549 01:11:45,067 --> 01:11:46,969 - Our sponsor is First USA. 1550 01:11:46,969 --> 01:11:49,938 So we're really thrilled to announce 1551 01:11:49,938 --> 01:11:51,273 First USA as our sponsor. 1552 01:11:51,273 --> 01:11:53,809 We're thrilled to be working with First USA. 1553 01:11:53,809 --> 01:11:55,244 - [Chris] And so we give First USA 1554 01:11:55,243 --> 01:11:56,478 a good name in the media 1555 01:11:57,546 --> 01:11:58,380 and include them in our news stories, 1556 01:11:58,380 --> 01:12:00,114 and then through there they get 1557 01:12:00,114 --> 01:12:02,583 as much advertising as we can give them. 1558 01:12:02,583 --> 01:12:03,851 - They'll be conforming 1559 01:12:03,851 --> 01:12:06,154 not to the wishes of demanding parents, 1560 01:12:06,154 --> 01:12:09,557 but to the wishes of an image-conscious corporation. 1561 01:12:09,557 --> 01:12:11,627 - They're not just out there for the money. 1562 01:12:11,627 --> 01:12:14,530 They want to work with us and be our friends 1563 01:12:14,529 --> 01:12:17,599 and let us help them help us and vice versa. 1564 01:12:17,599 --> 01:12:20,402 We became walking billboards to pay for our college tuition. 1565 01:12:20,402 --> 01:12:21,603 - [Show Host] Say what? 1566 01:12:21,603 --> 01:12:22,438 - [Luke] Cool Site of the Day 1567 01:12:22,438 --> 01:12:23,639 picked us as a Cool Site, 1568 01:12:23,639 --> 01:12:24,707 and Yahoo picked us, 1569 01:12:24,707 --> 01:12:27,042 and we were in USA Today. 1570 01:12:27,042 --> 01:12:30,145 - When we did our photo shoot for People magazine, 1571 01:12:30,145 --> 01:12:32,981 this is where we stood, up on top. 1572 01:12:35,583 --> 01:12:36,417 (Luke laughs) 1573 01:12:36,417 --> 01:12:37,251 - We stood up here and we smiled. 1574 01:12:37,252 --> 01:12:38,821 - We smiled and took the picture. 1575 01:12:40,055 --> 01:12:42,057 - [Luke] Our parents had war stories and stuff to tell us, 1576 01:12:42,056 --> 01:12:44,626 but (laughs) we have our corporate sponsor story. 1577 01:12:44,626 --> 01:12:46,128 - Exactly. 1578 01:12:46,127 --> 01:12:47,795 (triumphant music) 1579 01:12:47,796 --> 01:12:49,597 I have a lot of faith in the corporate world, 1580 01:12:49,597 --> 01:12:51,132 because it's always gonna be there, 1581 01:12:51,132 --> 01:12:52,333 so you may as well have faith in it, 1582 01:12:52,333 --> 01:12:54,970 because if you don't, then it's just not good. 1583 01:12:56,572 --> 01:12:58,539 - [Narrator] Some of the best creative minds are employed 1584 01:12:58,539 --> 01:13:01,777 to assure our faith in the corporate worldview. 1585 01:13:01,777 --> 01:13:04,846 They seduce us with beguiling illusions 1586 01:13:04,846 --> 01:13:06,814 designed to divert our minds 1587 01:13:06,814 --> 01:13:09,083 and manufacture our consent. 1588 01:13:09,083 --> 01:13:12,688 (weighty electronic music) 1589 01:13:16,524 --> 01:13:19,293 - Corporations don't advertise products particularly. 1590 01:13:19,293 --> 01:13:22,096 They're advertising a way of life, a way of thinking, 1591 01:13:22,096 --> 01:13:26,234 a story of who we are as people and how we got here 1592 01:13:26,234 --> 01:13:28,636 and what's the source of our so-called liberty 1593 01:13:28,636 --> 01:13:30,238 and our so-called freedom. 1594 01:13:30,238 --> 01:13:33,141 So you have decades and decades and decades 1595 01:13:33,141 --> 01:13:34,576 of propaganda and education 1596 01:13:34,576 --> 01:13:36,944 teaching us to think in a certain way. 1597 01:13:36,944 --> 01:13:39,213 When applied to the large corporation, 1598 01:13:39,213 --> 01:13:42,184 it's that the corporation was inevitable, 1599 01:13:42,184 --> 01:13:43,552 that it's indispensable, 1600 01:13:43,551 --> 01:13:45,753 that is somehow is remarkably efficient, 1601 01:13:45,753 --> 01:13:50,759 and that it is responsible for progress and a good life. 1602 01:13:50,993 --> 01:13:54,430 (grand orchestral music) 1603 01:14:02,304 --> 01:14:05,373 - Perception management is a very interesting concept. 1604 01:14:05,373 --> 01:14:07,509 It's basically a methodology 1605 01:14:07,509 --> 01:14:10,546 which helps us when we work with our clients 1606 01:14:10,546 --> 01:14:14,550 to go through a very systematic, thoughtful process 1607 01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:17,953 in order to be able to help our clients identify 1608 01:14:17,953 --> 01:14:20,222 what the resources are that they have, 1609 01:14:20,221 --> 01:14:22,690 what the barriers to their success are, 1610 01:14:22,690 --> 01:14:25,126 and how we can use communications 1611 01:14:25,127 --> 01:14:27,262 to help them accomplish their objectives. 1612 01:14:27,261 --> 01:14:30,666 (light orchestral music) 1613 01:14:36,805 --> 01:14:39,875 If Michael or Angelica came to me and said, 1614 01:14:39,875 --> 01:14:43,578 "Dad, what do you do, and why is it important?" 1615 01:14:44,779 --> 01:14:46,981 my answer to that question is basically 1616 01:14:46,981 --> 01:14:49,318 that I help corporations have a voice. 1617 01:14:55,890 --> 01:14:58,192 And I help corporations share the point of view 1618 01:14:58,193 --> 01:14:59,862 about how they feel about things. 1619 01:15:04,565 --> 01:15:05,766 - They're selling themselves. 1620 01:15:05,766 --> 01:15:08,002 They're selling their domination. 1621 01:15:08,002 --> 01:15:09,270 They're selling their rule, 1622 01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:11,038 and they're creating an image for themselves 1623 01:15:11,038 --> 01:15:12,974 as just regular folks down the block. 1624 01:15:14,576 --> 01:15:16,677 - Hi, how you all doing today? 1625 01:15:16,677 --> 01:15:17,512 Good to see you. 1626 01:15:18,913 --> 01:15:20,916 How are you doing today? 1627 01:15:20,916 --> 01:15:22,918 Hi, how you doing today? 1628 01:15:22,917 --> 01:15:24,185 We're from Pfizer. 1629 01:15:24,185 --> 01:15:25,152 We're your neighbors. 1630 01:15:25,153 --> 01:15:26,320 You're in the new houses? 1631 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,154 - [Woman] Huh? 1632 01:15:27,154 --> 01:15:27,989 - Are you in the new houses? 1633 01:15:27,989 --> 01:15:28,856 - Yeah, just right there. 1634 01:15:28,856 --> 01:15:30,958 - Oh, these are some neighbors. 1635 01:15:31,894 --> 01:15:33,395 Can we say hello? 1636 01:15:33,395 --> 01:15:34,229 - Huh? 1637 01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:35,697 - Can we say hello just for a minute? 1638 01:15:36,765 --> 01:15:39,268 So what do you think of the neighborhood now? 1639 01:15:39,268 --> 01:15:40,536 - [Woman] It's all right, it's good. 1640 01:15:40,536 --> 01:15:42,136 - Yeah, I think it's been getting better 1641 01:15:42,136 --> 01:15:44,972 over the last 20 years that I've been coming here. 1642 01:15:44,972 --> 01:15:45,806 Yeah. 1643 01:15:45,806 --> 01:15:47,041 So I think together, 1644 01:15:47,042 --> 01:15:50,012 working with you and Pfizer and our other partnership 1645 01:15:50,011 --> 01:15:51,345 we'll make this a better place. 1646 01:15:51,345 --> 01:15:52,613 - Okay. - Okay. 1647 01:15:52,613 --> 01:15:53,447 - Bye. - Nice to see you, 1648 01:15:53,448 --> 01:15:54,583 Miss Fraser, bye. 1649 01:15:58,220 --> 01:16:00,655 There used to be a lot of crime at this subway. 1650 01:16:00,655 --> 01:16:02,757 One night as I was going home 1651 01:16:02,757 --> 01:16:04,826 I got caught and was almost mugged, 1652 01:16:06,662 --> 01:16:09,798 and so we decided to make a change 1653 01:16:09,797 --> 01:16:11,365 to make this community better. 1654 01:16:13,601 --> 01:16:16,371 (light electronic music) 1655 01:16:16,371 --> 01:16:20,908 We're looking at turnstiles that prevent fare beating. 1656 01:16:20,908 --> 01:16:24,045 It used to be that you could just hop right over. 1657 01:16:24,046 --> 01:16:27,548 So Pfizer, in collaboration with the Transit Authority, 1658 01:16:27,548 --> 01:16:31,920 actually purchased these machines. 1659 01:16:36,324 --> 01:16:40,095 This is a talk-back box that allows us to speak 1660 01:16:40,095 --> 01:16:41,630 to the Pfizer guard, 1661 01:16:41,630 --> 01:16:44,498 which is approximately 500 yards from here. 1662 01:16:45,399 --> 01:16:47,234 Now I haven't seen the Pfizer guard today, 1663 01:16:47,234 --> 01:16:48,703 but I'm gonna see if I can call him. 1664 01:16:48,703 --> 01:16:51,105 If he's not, I'll have to go wake him up. 1665 01:16:51,105 --> 01:16:53,108 Hello, hello, Tom Klein speaking. 1666 01:16:56,243 --> 01:16:59,547 So I'm sure before we're through he'll call back. 1667 01:16:59,547 --> 01:17:01,449 But particularly on the off hours, 1668 01:17:01,449 --> 01:17:05,586 this allows a passenger to call directly 1669 01:17:05,587 --> 01:17:08,123 to the Pfizer desk for assistance, 1670 01:17:08,122 --> 01:17:11,626 and then the Pfizer guard calls the transit police, 1671 01:17:11,627 --> 01:17:15,964 and the transit police respond to any crime situation. 1672 01:17:15,963 --> 01:17:17,164 As a result of all this, 1673 01:17:17,164 --> 01:17:18,600 crime is down in the station. 1674 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,370 It's much safer for our community partners. 1675 01:17:21,369 --> 01:17:22,203 Thank you. 1676 01:17:26,807 --> 01:17:27,743 (laughs) 1677 01:17:27,743 --> 01:17:31,513 We'll press the other button just to be sure. 1678 01:17:32,680 --> 01:17:36,250 Tom speaking, hello. 1679 01:17:36,251 --> 01:17:38,119 We'll stop over and see him personally. 1680 01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:39,688 (laughs) 1681 01:17:39,688 --> 01:17:43,125 (light orchestral music) 1682 01:17:45,961 --> 01:17:47,429 - It's tough. 1683 01:17:47,429 --> 01:17:50,198 They're putting some taxpayer and shareholder money 1684 01:17:50,198 --> 01:17:52,701 into helping, and who can say, 1685 01:17:52,701 --> 01:17:54,836 but that money should be going to the taxpayers 1686 01:17:54,836 --> 01:17:56,304 to decide what to do. 1687 01:17:57,271 --> 01:18:00,074 And while they're doing those sort of nice things, 1688 01:18:00,074 --> 01:18:01,376 they're also playing a role 1689 01:18:01,376 --> 01:18:03,110 in lowering taxes for corporations 1690 01:18:03,110 --> 01:18:05,413 and lowering taxes for wealthy people 1691 01:18:05,413 --> 01:18:07,715 and reconfiguring public policy. 1692 01:18:07,716 --> 01:18:08,717 What we don't see is all 1693 01:18:08,716 --> 01:18:10,051 that reconfiguring going on. 1694 01:18:10,051 --> 01:18:12,253 We don't see them vacuum out the money, 1695 01:18:12,253 --> 01:18:14,756 vacuum out the insides of public processes, 1696 01:18:14,756 --> 01:18:16,658 but we do see the nice facade. 1697 01:18:18,493 --> 01:18:19,628 (cash register dings) 1698 01:18:19,627 --> 01:18:22,797 (pleasant jazz music) 1699 01:18:45,220 --> 01:18:47,588 - When I was researching the takeover of public space, 1700 01:18:47,588 --> 01:18:49,457 when I started off I thought, 1701 01:18:49,457 --> 01:18:50,858 "Okay, this is just advertising. 1702 01:18:50,859 --> 01:18:52,260 We've always had advertising. 1703 01:18:52,260 --> 01:18:54,496 It's just more advertising." 1704 01:18:54,496 --> 01:18:57,065 But what I started to understand and what I understand now 1705 01:18:57,064 --> 01:19:00,402 is that branding is not advertising, it's production, 1706 01:19:00,402 --> 01:19:02,604 and very successful corporations, 1707 01:19:02,604 --> 01:19:04,338 the corporations of the future, 1708 01:19:04,338 --> 01:19:05,806 do not produce products, 1709 01:19:05,806 --> 01:19:07,708 they produce brand meaning. 1710 01:19:08,577 --> 01:19:11,213 The dissemination of the idea of themselves 1711 01:19:11,212 --> 01:19:12,847 is their act of production, 1712 01:19:12,847 --> 01:19:15,149 and the dissemination of the idea of themselves 1713 01:19:15,149 --> 01:19:18,252 is an enormously invasive project. 1714 01:19:18,252 --> 01:19:20,521 So how do you make a brand idea real? 1715 01:19:20,521 --> 01:19:23,358 Well, a good place to start is 1716 01:19:23,358 --> 01:19:27,529 by building a three-dimensional manifestation of your brand. 1717 01:19:27,529 --> 01:19:30,632 For a company like Disney it goes even further, 1718 01:19:30,631 --> 01:19:32,466 where it's actually building a town, 1719 01:19:32,466 --> 01:19:33,969 Celebration, Florida. 1720 01:19:33,969 --> 01:19:36,304 - Currently there are about 5,000 residents 1721 01:19:36,304 --> 01:19:38,038 who call Celebration home, 1722 01:19:38,038 --> 01:19:40,809 and there are about 1,300 single-family homes, 1723 01:19:40,809 --> 01:19:44,546 a town center that's a place where people gather, 1724 01:19:44,546 --> 01:19:47,749 that has about four or five restaurants 1725 01:19:47,748 --> 01:19:51,153 and about a dozen other shops. 1726 01:19:51,153 --> 01:19:53,221 - [Naomi] Their inspiration, their brand image 1727 01:19:53,220 --> 01:19:56,123 is the all-American family 1728 01:19:56,123 --> 01:19:58,894 and the sort of bygone American town. 1729 01:19:58,894 --> 01:20:02,329 (light orchestral music) 1730 01:20:17,845 --> 01:20:21,382 - Their brand driver is family magic. 1731 01:20:21,382 --> 01:20:23,784 And everything that that company does 1732 01:20:23,784 --> 01:20:27,021 is in and around those two words. 1733 01:20:27,021 --> 01:20:28,890 If you take that, 1734 01:20:28,890 --> 01:20:32,761 a branded environment such as a Disney World or a Disneyland 1735 01:20:32,761 --> 01:20:35,864 is a logical extension of that brand. 1736 01:20:35,863 --> 01:20:39,701 Film, animated film, family-oriented film 1737 01:20:39,701 --> 01:20:42,671 is a very logical extension of that. 1738 01:20:42,671 --> 01:20:45,640 As a business though, they also know that 1739 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,177 if they want to get into other forms of entertainment 1740 01:20:49,176 --> 01:20:52,146 that does not fit family magic, 1741 01:20:52,146 --> 01:20:53,914 they do not brand it Disney. 1742 01:20:55,082 --> 01:20:59,453 If they want to get into adult, more serious type fare, 1743 01:20:59,453 --> 01:21:01,822 when it comes to film they brand it Touchstone. 1744 01:21:02,756 --> 01:21:03,591 (explosion booming) 1745 01:21:03,591 --> 01:21:05,426 - The Disney brand speaks of reassurance, 1746 01:21:05,426 --> 01:21:06,460 it speaks of tradition, 1747 01:21:06,461 --> 01:21:07,796 it speaks of quality, 1748 01:21:07,796 --> 01:21:09,831 and you can see that here 1749 01:21:09,831 --> 01:21:12,199 in this community that we've built. 1750 01:21:12,199 --> 01:21:14,469 - And that's where you see the truly 1751 01:21:14,469 --> 01:21:16,805 imperialist aspirations of branding, 1752 01:21:16,805 --> 01:21:21,610 which is about building these privatized branded cocoons, 1753 01:21:21,609 --> 01:21:24,211 which maybe you start by shopping in 1754 01:21:24,212 --> 01:21:26,748 and then you you continue by holidaying in, 1755 01:21:26,747 --> 01:21:29,884 but eventually why not just move in? 1756 01:21:29,885 --> 01:21:31,786 (energetic orchestral music) 1757 01:21:31,786 --> 01:21:34,154 - [Jeremy] What happens if we wake up one day 1758 01:21:34,154 --> 01:21:37,192 and we find out that virtually all of our relationships 1759 01:21:37,192 --> 01:21:39,994 that are mediated between us and our fellow human beings 1760 01:21:39,994 --> 01:21:41,528 are commercial, 1761 01:21:41,529 --> 01:21:44,933 we find out that virtually every relationship we have 1762 01:21:44,932 --> 01:21:47,068 is a commercially arbitrated relationship 1763 01:21:47,068 --> 01:21:48,503 with our fellow human being? 1764 01:21:48,502 --> 01:21:50,604 Can civilization survive 1765 01:21:50,604 --> 01:21:52,506 on that narrower definition 1766 01:21:52,506 --> 01:21:54,174 of how we interact with each other? 1767 01:21:54,175 --> 01:21:55,176 (alarm ringing) 1768 01:21:55,176 --> 01:21:58,446 - Wow, what a dream. 1769 01:21:58,445 --> 01:22:02,650 (light electronic music) 1770 01:22:02,650 --> 01:22:05,921 - I could give you a day in the life of a person 1771 01:22:05,921 --> 01:22:08,556 who might be the target of undercover marketing, 1772 01:22:08,555 --> 01:22:09,857 and I will tell you that 1773 01:22:09,858 --> 01:22:13,395 some of these things are happening right now around you. 1774 01:22:13,395 --> 01:22:15,964 So you walk out of your building in the morning, some city, 1775 01:22:15,963 --> 01:22:16,797 and you walk by the doorman, 1776 01:22:16,797 --> 01:22:18,565 you say, "Hey, good morning," 1777 01:22:18,565 --> 01:22:21,368 and you notice there's a bunch of boxes at his feet 1778 01:22:21,368 --> 01:22:24,171 from some online or mail-order retailer, 1779 01:22:24,171 --> 01:22:25,706 and there's a bunch of boxes there 1780 01:22:25,707 --> 01:22:27,509 with of course big brand message on it. 1781 01:22:27,509 --> 01:22:28,475 You walk out, think, 1782 01:22:28,475 --> 01:22:30,945 "Wow, a lot of people must be ordering from that company." 1783 01:22:30,945 --> 01:22:33,448 What you don't know is that we paid the doorman 1784 01:22:33,448 --> 01:22:35,517 to keep those empty boxes there. 1785 01:22:35,516 --> 01:22:37,085 You walk out into the street 1786 01:22:37,085 --> 01:22:39,788 and you hear some people having kind of a loud conversation 1787 01:22:39,787 --> 01:22:42,690 about a musical act 1788 01:22:42,690 --> 01:22:44,893 and they're kind of passing the headphones back and forth, 1789 01:22:44,893 --> 01:22:46,427 like, "Wow, this is great." 1790 01:22:46,427 --> 01:22:47,394 - That is really- 1791 01:22:47,395 --> 01:22:48,229 - [Man] That good? 1792 01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:49,664 - [Jonathan] "Hey, do you know that 1793 01:22:49,663 --> 01:22:51,666 I heard this CD is really hard to find, 1794 01:22:51,666 --> 01:22:53,702 but I heard they sell it at Store X." 1795 01:22:54,636 --> 01:22:55,804 - I'm gonna go pick it up. 1796 01:22:55,804 --> 01:22:56,738 It's so good. 1797 01:22:56,738 --> 01:22:57,572 - [Man] It's great, isn't it? 1798 01:22:57,572 --> 01:22:58,405 - You hear that you register it 1799 01:22:58,405 --> 01:23:00,074 and you might kind of pick up on that, 1800 01:23:00,074 --> 01:23:01,608 and maybe later on you'll think, 1801 01:23:01,609 --> 01:23:03,044 "Hey, I wonder what the hot act is banging." 1802 01:23:03,043 --> 01:23:04,144 That might be in your head. 1803 01:23:04,145 --> 01:23:05,814 Now you get into your office 1804 01:23:05,814 --> 01:23:08,416 and there's a certain brand of water in the refrigerator. 1805 01:23:08,416 --> 01:23:09,250 What is that? 1806 01:23:10,518 --> 01:23:11,786 You take it out, you drink it, you slug it down, 1807 01:23:11,786 --> 01:23:14,622 it's there, and not really thinking about it, 1808 01:23:14,622 --> 01:23:16,224 "Wow, that's pretty good water." 1809 01:23:17,559 --> 01:23:18,525 Who knows? 1810 01:23:18,525 --> 01:23:19,994 Maybe someone placed the water there. 1811 01:23:19,994 --> 01:23:21,162 You kind of go out for your lunch break, 1812 01:23:21,162 --> 01:23:21,997 you're sitting in the park 1813 01:23:21,997 --> 01:23:24,699 and people are kind of out there talking in the park, 1814 01:23:24,698 --> 01:23:27,167 and bang, all the sudden you see another message. 1815 01:23:30,104 --> 01:23:33,307 By the time you go to bed you've probably received 1816 01:23:33,307 --> 01:23:36,845 eight or nine different undercover messages. 1817 01:23:36,845 --> 01:23:37,746 People are always thinking, 1818 01:23:37,746 --> 01:23:39,180 well, oh, I know product placement, 1819 01:23:39,180 --> 01:23:40,849 that's when they put stuff in movies. 1820 01:23:40,849 --> 01:23:42,182 Well, yes, kind of. 1821 01:23:42,182 --> 01:23:44,284 I mean, that's definitely traditional product placement, 1822 01:23:44,284 --> 01:23:46,488 but real-life product placement is just that, 1823 01:23:46,488 --> 01:23:50,057 placing stuff in movies, but the movie's actually your life. 1824 01:23:50,057 --> 01:23:52,327 We'll take a group of attainable 1825 01:23:52,327 --> 01:23:53,728 but still aspirational people. 1826 01:23:53,728 --> 01:23:54,695 They're not supermodels. 1827 01:23:54,695 --> 01:23:56,797 They're kind of people just like you. 1828 01:23:56,797 --> 01:23:58,265 They're doing something for us, 1829 01:23:58,265 --> 01:24:00,667 whether they're having a certain kind of drink 1830 01:24:00,667 --> 01:24:02,103 or they're using a certain laundry detergent, 1831 01:24:02,103 --> 01:24:03,771 whatever it may be. 1832 01:24:03,771 --> 01:24:07,542 They are the roach motel, if you will. 1833 01:24:07,542 --> 01:24:08,743 People are gonna come over to them 1834 01:24:08,743 --> 01:24:12,213 and they're gonna give them this little piece of brand bait. 1835 01:24:12,212 --> 01:24:14,815 Could be a soundbite of knowledge or a ritual. 1836 01:24:14,815 --> 01:24:16,650 Consumers will get that piece of roach bait 1837 01:24:16,650 --> 01:24:18,586 and then they'll take it, they go, "Oh, pretty cool," 1838 01:24:18,586 --> 01:24:21,389 and then they go out and they spread it to their friends. 1839 01:24:21,389 --> 01:24:22,524 If you want to be critical, 1840 01:24:22,524 --> 01:24:23,892 if you want to go through your life like that, 1841 01:24:23,891 --> 01:24:25,659 sure, be critical of every single person 1842 01:24:25,659 --> 01:24:26,693 that walks up to you, 1843 01:24:27,761 --> 01:24:29,264 but if they're showing you something that fits 1844 01:24:29,264 --> 01:24:30,097 and something that works 1845 01:24:30,097 --> 01:24:32,533 and something that makes your life better in some way, 1846 01:24:32,533 --> 01:24:33,835 well then who cares? 1847 01:24:33,835 --> 01:24:35,804 Again, just say thanks. 1848 01:24:38,273 --> 01:24:41,676 (light orchestral music) 1849 01:24:42,777 --> 01:24:44,913 - [Narrator] Today the job of building this nation 1850 01:24:44,912 --> 01:24:47,281 geographically is completed. 1851 01:24:47,282 --> 01:24:49,818 There are no new frontiers within our borders. 1852 01:24:50,885 --> 01:24:54,689 So to what new horizons can we look now? 1853 01:24:54,689 --> 01:24:56,758 Where are tomorrow's opportunities? 1854 01:24:57,591 --> 01:25:01,161 What's ahead for you, for your children? 1855 01:25:01,162 --> 01:25:03,998 The frontiers of the future are not on any map. 1856 01:25:04,865 --> 01:25:07,268 They are in the test tubes and laboratories 1857 01:25:07,268 --> 01:25:09,304 of the great industries. 1858 01:25:15,743 --> 01:25:18,346 - The Chakrabarty case was one of the great judicial moments 1859 01:25:18,345 --> 01:25:19,813 in world history, 1860 01:25:19,814 --> 01:25:23,017 and the public was totally unaware it was actually happening 1861 01:25:23,016 --> 01:25:25,487 as the process was being engaged. 1862 01:25:25,487 --> 01:25:28,323 General Electric and Professor Chakrabarty 1863 01:25:28,323 --> 01:25:29,524 went to the Patent Office 1864 01:25:29,524 --> 01:25:32,393 with a little microbe that eats up oil spills. 1865 01:25:32,393 --> 01:25:34,996 They said they had modified this microbe in the laboratory, 1866 01:25:34,996 --> 01:25:37,065 and therefore it was an invention. 1867 01:25:37,064 --> 01:25:38,599 The Patent Office of the U.S. government 1868 01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:40,568 took a look at this, quote, invention 1869 01:25:40,568 --> 01:25:41,703 and they said, "No way. 1870 01:25:42,604 --> 01:25:45,273 The patent statutes don't cover living things. 1871 01:25:45,273 --> 01:25:46,807 This is not an invention." 1872 01:25:46,807 --> 01:25:48,243 Turned down. 1873 01:25:48,243 --> 01:25:50,712 Then General Electric and Dr. Chakrabarty 1874 01:25:50,712 --> 01:25:53,648 appealed to the U.S. Customs Court of Appeal, 1875 01:25:53,648 --> 01:25:55,150 and to everyone's surprise, 1876 01:25:55,149 --> 01:25:56,650 by a three-to-two decision, 1877 01:25:56,650 --> 01:25:58,619 they overrode the Patent Office. 1878 01:25:58,619 --> 01:26:01,890 ♪ GE we bring good things to life ♪ 1879 01:26:01,890 --> 01:26:05,160 - And they said, "This microbe looks more like a detergent 1880 01:26:05,159 --> 01:26:08,095 or a reagent than a horse or a honeybee." 1881 01:26:08,095 --> 01:26:11,031 I laughed because they didn't understand basic biology. 1882 01:26:11,032 --> 01:26:12,400 It looked like a chemical to them. 1883 01:26:12,399 --> 01:26:15,502 Had it had an antenna or eyes or wings or legs, 1884 01:26:15,502 --> 01:26:19,606 it would never have crossed their table and been patented. 1885 01:26:19,606 --> 01:26:21,842 Then the Patent Office appealed. 1886 01:26:21,842 --> 01:26:23,344 And what the public should realize now 1887 01:26:23,344 --> 01:26:24,878 is the Patent Office was very clear 1888 01:26:24,878 --> 01:26:26,213 that you can't patent life. 1889 01:26:27,681 --> 01:26:32,452 My organization provided the main amicus curiae brief. 1890 01:26:32,453 --> 01:26:35,657 "If you allow the patent on this microbe," we argued, 1891 01:26:35,657 --> 01:26:38,126 "It means that without any congressional guidance 1892 01:26:38,126 --> 01:26:39,961 or public discussion, 1893 01:26:39,961 --> 01:26:42,262 corporations will own the blueprints of life." 1894 01:26:43,530 --> 01:26:44,599 When they made the decision, 1895 01:26:44,599 --> 01:26:45,967 we lost by five to four, 1896 01:26:45,966 --> 01:26:47,801 and Chief Justice Warren Burger said, 1897 01:26:47,801 --> 01:26:49,703 "Sure, some of these are big issues, 1898 01:26:49,703 --> 01:26:52,773 but we think this is a small decision." 1899 01:26:52,774 --> 01:26:54,642 Seven years later the U.S. Patent Office 1900 01:26:54,641 --> 01:26:56,711 issued a one-sentence decree, 1901 01:26:56,711 --> 01:26:59,414 "You can patent anything in the world that's alive 1902 01:26:59,413 --> 01:27:01,648 except a full-birth human being." 1903 01:27:01,649 --> 01:27:04,152 (eerie music) 1904 01:27:05,587 --> 01:27:07,422 - [Newscaster] The Supreme Court of the United States 1905 01:27:07,421 --> 01:27:10,991 ruled today that living organisms produced in the laboratory 1906 01:27:10,992 --> 01:27:12,460 may be patented. 1907 01:27:12,460 --> 01:27:13,927 This decision to extend patenting- 1908 01:27:13,927 --> 01:27:15,829 - [Man] The U.S. Supreme Court had to decide 1909 01:27:15,829 --> 01:27:18,365 was whether one man or one company should be 1910 01:27:18,365 --> 01:27:20,902 able to control new forms of life. 1911 01:27:20,902 --> 01:27:23,570 - [Woman] If we allow any company or college 1912 01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:25,773 to exclusively own a species, 1913 01:27:25,773 --> 01:27:29,010 what does that say about our reverence for life? 1914 01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:30,311 - [Newscaster] Researchers at Harvard 1915 01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:31,979 manipulated the genes of mice, 1916 01:27:31,979 --> 01:27:34,715 making their offspring more susceptible to cancer. 1917 01:27:34,716 --> 01:27:36,117 They patented the Harvard Mouse 1918 01:27:36,117 --> 01:27:37,685 in the U.S, Europe, and Japan. 1919 01:27:37,685 --> 01:27:40,822 - [Man] The legal battle finally came to an end today. 1920 01:27:40,822 --> 01:27:42,222 The Supreme Court of Canada 1921 01:27:42,222 --> 01:27:45,792 ruled the genetically engineered mouse Canada patented. 1922 01:27:45,792 --> 01:27:48,996 - [Woman] Canadians don't think that life forms 1923 01:27:48,997 --> 01:27:50,731 are inventions of industry, like 1924 01:27:50,731 --> 01:27:51,565 light bulbs and widgets. 1925 01:27:51,565 --> 01:27:52,466 - [Woman] Bio-prospecting. 1926 01:27:52,466 --> 01:27:53,768 - [Woman] Scientists and drug companies 1927 01:27:53,768 --> 01:27:55,203 search the planet for genes. 1928 01:27:55,203 --> 01:27:56,504 - [Woman] Companies scouring planet 1929 01:27:56,503 --> 01:27:58,472 looking for valuable DNA, 1930 01:27:58,472 --> 01:28:01,074 genes they can patent and sell. 1931 01:28:01,074 --> 01:28:02,409 - [Man] Feels like the Wild West. 1932 01:28:02,409 --> 01:28:05,212 We've got bandits going around the world, 1933 01:28:05,212 --> 01:28:06,380 collecting wherever they can, 1934 01:28:06,381 --> 01:28:07,215 sometimes under false pretenses. 1935 01:28:07,215 --> 01:28:08,850 - [Woman] Because it's been so isolated, 1936 01:28:08,850 --> 01:28:10,918 Newfoundland has a unique gene pool, 1937 01:28:10,917 --> 01:28:12,286 and there's been so much interest 1938 01:28:12,287 --> 01:28:13,521 for gene prospectors- 1939 01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:14,354 - [Woman] My genetic imprint- 1940 01:28:14,354 --> 01:28:15,188 - [Woman] That the government is funding a study. 1941 01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:17,057 - [Woman] Really has been taken away from me. 1942 01:28:17,057 --> 01:28:19,761 - [Man] Instead of being the impartial pursuit of the truth 1943 01:28:19,761 --> 01:28:22,497 has become the pursuit of profit. 1944 01:28:31,238 --> 01:28:33,540 - We've all been hearing about the announcement 1945 01:28:33,541 --> 01:28:35,409 that we have mapped the human genome, 1946 01:28:35,409 --> 01:28:37,412 but what the public doesn't know is 1947 01:28:37,412 --> 01:28:40,315 now there's a great race by genomic companies 1948 01:28:40,314 --> 01:28:42,582 and biotech companies and life science companies 1949 01:28:42,582 --> 01:28:44,618 to find the treasure in the map. 1950 01:28:44,618 --> 01:28:46,153 The treasure are the individual genes 1951 01:28:46,154 --> 01:28:49,223 that make up the blueprint of the human race. 1952 01:28:49,222 --> 01:28:51,492 Every time they capture a gene and isolate it, 1953 01:28:51,492 --> 01:28:54,628 these biotech companies claim it as intellectual property. 1954 01:28:54,628 --> 01:28:57,332 The breast cancer gene, the cystic fibrosis gene, 1955 01:28:57,332 --> 01:28:59,300 it goes on and on and on. 1956 01:28:59,300 --> 01:29:02,436 If this goes unchallenged in the world community, 1957 01:29:02,436 --> 01:29:04,471 within less than 10 years, 1958 01:29:04,471 --> 01:29:06,206 a handful of global companies will own 1959 01:29:06,207 --> 01:29:08,376 directly or through license 1960 01:29:08,376 --> 01:29:12,180 the actual genes that make up the evolution of our species. 1961 01:29:12,180 --> 01:29:14,548 And they're now beginning to patent the genomes 1962 01:29:14,548 --> 01:29:16,984 of every other creature on this planet. 1963 01:29:18,152 --> 01:29:20,721 In the age of biology the politics is gonna sort out 1964 01:29:20,721 --> 01:29:23,523 between those who believe life first has intrinsic value, 1965 01:29:23,524 --> 01:29:25,793 and therefore we should choose technologies 1966 01:29:25,792 --> 01:29:27,728 and commercial venues 1967 01:29:27,729 --> 01:29:29,831 that honor the intrinsic value, 1968 01:29:29,831 --> 01:29:31,199 and then we're gonna have people who believe, 1969 01:29:31,198 --> 01:29:33,033 "Look, life is simply utility. 1970 01:29:33,033 --> 01:29:34,634 It's commercial fare." 1971 01:29:34,635 --> 01:29:36,204 And they will line up with the idea 1972 01:29:36,203 --> 01:29:38,372 to let the marketplace be the ultimate arbiter 1973 01:29:38,372 --> 01:29:40,540 of all of the age of biology. 1974 01:29:40,541 --> 01:29:43,711 (calm acoustic music) 1975 01:29:45,512 --> 01:29:46,514 - [Narrator] In a world economy 1976 01:29:46,514 --> 01:29:49,751 where information is filtered by global media corporations 1977 01:29:49,751 --> 01:29:52,753 keenly attuned to their powerful advertisers, 1978 01:29:52,753 --> 01:29:55,021 who will defend the public's right to know? 1979 01:29:55,021 --> 01:29:56,390 And what price must be paid 1980 01:29:56,390 --> 01:29:58,925 to preserve our ability to make informed choices? 1981 01:29:58,926 --> 01:30:01,429 (tense music) 1982 01:30:10,003 --> 01:30:11,773 - What Fox Television told us was that 1983 01:30:11,773 --> 01:30:14,208 we were just the people to be the investigators. 1984 01:30:14,207 --> 01:30:15,909 - Do any stories you want, 1985 01:30:15,909 --> 01:30:18,179 ask tough questions and get answers. 1986 01:30:18,179 --> 01:30:19,012 So we thought, "This is great. 1987 01:30:19,012 --> 01:30:20,314 This is a dream job. 1988 01:30:20,314 --> 01:30:21,149 Fantastic." 1989 01:30:21,149 --> 01:30:22,884 The very first thing they had us do 1990 01:30:22,884 --> 01:30:24,252 was not to research stories 1991 01:30:24,252 --> 01:30:25,553 but to shoot this promo 1992 01:30:25,552 --> 01:30:27,721 which was The Investigators. 1993 01:30:27,721 --> 01:30:29,856 (heavy electronic music) 1994 01:30:29,856 --> 01:30:32,560 - [Man] Uncovering the truth, getting results, 1995 01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:34,228 protecting you. 1996 01:30:34,228 --> 01:30:36,096 - [Jane] And they had a film crew and a smoke machine 1997 01:30:36,096 --> 01:30:37,532 and we were silhouetted. 1998 01:30:38,498 --> 01:30:40,467 - One of the first stories that Jane came up with 1999 01:30:40,467 --> 01:30:42,470 was the revelation that 2000 01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:44,204 most of the milk in the state of Florida 2001 01:30:44,204 --> 01:30:46,239 and throughout much of the country 2002 01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:49,242 was adulterated with the effects of bovine growth hormone. 2003 01:30:49,243 --> 01:30:50,178 (cow moos) 2004 01:30:50,177 --> 01:30:52,913 - With Monsanto I didn't realize 2005 01:30:52,913 --> 01:30:54,681 how effectively a corporation could work 2006 01:30:54,681 --> 01:30:56,684 to get something on the marketplace, 2007 01:30:56,684 --> 01:30:58,920 the levels of coordination they had to have. 2008 01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,556 They had to get university professors into the fold. 2009 01:31:01,555 --> 01:31:03,723 They had to get experts into the fold. 2010 01:31:03,724 --> 01:31:05,760 They had to get reporters into the fold. 2011 01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,662 They had to get the public into the fold. 2012 01:31:07,662 --> 01:31:09,764 And of course the FDA, let's not leave them out. 2013 01:31:09,764 --> 01:31:11,833 They had to get the federal regulators convinced 2014 01:31:11,832 --> 01:31:14,335 that this was a fine and safe product, 2015 01:31:14,335 --> 01:31:15,636 to get it onto the marketplace. 2016 01:31:15,636 --> 01:31:16,471 And they did that. 2017 01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:18,305 They did that very, very well 2018 01:31:19,306 --> 01:31:22,710 - Posilac is the single most tested new product in history, 2019 01:31:22,710 --> 01:31:25,613 and it's now available to you specifically, 2020 01:31:25,613 --> 01:31:27,914 so you can increase your profit potential. 2021 01:31:27,914 --> 01:31:30,417 - The federal government basically rubber-stamped it 2022 01:31:30,417 --> 01:31:32,619 before they put it on the marketplace. 2023 01:31:32,619 --> 01:31:35,222 The longest test they did for human toxicity 2024 01:31:35,222 --> 01:31:37,358 was 90 days on 30 rats, 2025 01:31:37,358 --> 01:31:42,230 and then either Monsanto misreported the results to the FDA 2026 01:31:42,229 --> 01:31:44,598 or the FDA didn't bother to look in depth 2027 01:31:44,599 --> 01:31:46,766 at Monsanto's own studies. 2028 01:31:46,766 --> 01:31:48,836 - [Steve] The scientists within Health Canada 2029 01:31:48,836 --> 01:31:50,838 looked very carefully at bovine growth hormone 2030 01:31:50,837 --> 01:31:52,572 and came to very different conclusions 2031 01:31:52,573 --> 01:31:55,810 than the Food and Drug Administration in the U.S. did. 2032 01:31:55,810 --> 01:31:58,112 - Monsanto's engineered growth hormone 2033 01:31:58,112 --> 01:32:00,614 did not comply with safety requirements. 2034 01:32:00,614 --> 01:32:02,250 It could be absorbed by the body, 2035 01:32:02,250 --> 01:32:05,520 and therefore did have implications for human health. 2036 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:08,155 Mysteriously, that conclusion was deleted 2037 01:32:08,154 --> 01:32:10,557 from the final published version of their report 2038 01:32:11,559 --> 01:32:13,060 - I personally was very concerned that 2039 01:32:13,060 --> 01:32:17,398 there's a very serious problem of secrecy, conspiracy, 2040 01:32:17,398 --> 01:32:19,432 and things of that nature. 2041 01:32:19,432 --> 01:32:22,168 We have been pressured and coerced 2042 01:32:22,168 --> 01:32:24,872 to pass drugs of questionable safety, 2043 01:32:24,872 --> 01:32:26,974 including the rBST. 2044 01:32:26,974 --> 01:32:28,074 - [Steve] We wrote the story. 2045 01:32:28,074 --> 01:32:30,310 We had it ready a week beforehand. 2046 01:32:30,310 --> 01:32:31,711 They'd bought ads. 2047 01:32:31,712 --> 01:32:33,814 - [Announcer] Farmers in the milk industry say it's safe, 2048 01:32:33,814 --> 01:32:35,950 but studies suggest a link to cancer. 2049 01:32:35,949 --> 01:32:37,717 Don't miss this special report from the Investigators. 2050 01:32:37,717 --> 01:32:38,552 - That Friday night 2051 01:32:38,552 --> 01:32:40,688 before the Monday this series was to begin, 2052 01:32:40,688 --> 01:32:43,391 the fax machine spit out a letter 2053 01:32:43,390 --> 01:32:46,927 from this very high-priced lawyer in New York 2054 01:32:46,927 --> 01:32:48,828 that Monsanto had hired. 2055 01:32:48,828 --> 01:32:50,497 And it contained a lot of things 2056 01:32:50,497 --> 01:32:52,265 that were just off-the-wall false, 2057 01:32:52,265 --> 01:32:54,134 just demonstrably false. 2058 01:32:54,135 --> 01:32:55,770 But if you didn't know the story 2059 01:32:55,770 --> 01:32:58,306 and you didn't know how we had gone about producing it, 2060 01:32:58,305 --> 01:32:59,606 it would've scared you, 2061 01:32:59,606 --> 01:33:02,342 as a broadcaster, as a manager. 2062 01:33:02,342 --> 01:33:04,177 - [Jane] And they decided that they would pull the story 2063 01:33:04,177 --> 01:33:06,314 and they would just check it one more time. 2064 01:33:07,180 --> 01:33:08,548 - But the bottom line was that 2065 01:33:08,548 --> 01:33:10,917 there was no factual errors in that story. 2066 01:33:10,917 --> 01:33:12,353 Both sides had been heard from. 2067 01:33:12,353 --> 01:33:14,689 Both sides had had an opportunity to speak. 2068 01:33:14,689 --> 01:33:17,925 - One week later, Monsanto sent the second letter, 2069 01:33:17,925 --> 01:33:20,127 and this was even more strongly worded. 2070 01:33:20,127 --> 01:33:23,798 And it said there will be, "Dire consequences for Fox News," 2071 01:33:23,797 --> 01:33:25,733 if the story airs in Florida. 2072 01:33:27,167 --> 01:33:29,235 And this time they freaked. 2073 01:33:29,235 --> 01:33:30,871 They were afraid of being sued, 2074 01:33:30,871 --> 01:33:33,908 and they were also afraid of losing advertising dollars 2075 01:33:33,908 --> 01:33:36,611 at all of the stations owned by Rupert Murdoch. 2076 01:33:36,610 --> 01:33:38,878 And he owned more television stations 2077 01:33:38,878 --> 01:33:41,314 than any other group in America. 2078 01:33:41,314 --> 01:33:42,916 That's 22 television stations. 2079 01:33:42,917 --> 01:33:44,485 That's a lot of advertising dollars, 2080 01:33:44,484 --> 01:33:48,822 for Roundup, aspartame, NutraSweet, and other products. 2081 01:33:48,823 --> 01:33:50,358 - So we got into a battle, 2082 01:33:50,358 --> 01:33:53,761 and the first deal was the new general manager. 2083 01:33:53,761 --> 01:33:55,029 - And his name's Dave. 2084 01:33:55,029 --> 01:33:56,197 And Dave is a salesman, 2085 01:33:56,197 --> 01:33:58,132 and he'd pump your hand, "How ya doing, how ya doing?" 2086 01:33:58,131 --> 01:33:59,666 - Called us upstairs to his office 2087 01:33:59,667 --> 01:34:04,137 and he said, "What would you say if I killed this piece? 2088 01:34:04,137 --> 01:34:05,872 What if it never ran?" 2089 01:34:05,872 --> 01:34:09,476 And we said, "Well, we wouldn't be very happy about that." 2090 01:34:09,476 --> 01:34:11,077 And he said, "Well I could kill it, you know." 2091 01:34:11,078 --> 01:34:12,747 And we said, "Yes, of course, you're the manager. 2092 01:34:12,747 --> 01:34:13,581 You could kill it. 2093 01:34:13,581 --> 01:34:15,082 It would never air." 2094 01:34:15,082 --> 01:34:17,051 And he's hemming and he's hawing 2095 01:34:17,051 --> 01:34:17,885 and he's back and he's forth. 2096 01:34:17,885 --> 01:34:19,453 And we couldn't figure out what is this all about. 2097 01:34:19,453 --> 01:34:23,691 And finally he blurted out, "Look, would you tell anybody?" 2098 01:34:24,658 --> 01:34:26,860 I said, "I'm not gonna lie for you." 2099 01:34:26,860 --> 01:34:29,063 About a week later he calls us back to the office and says, 2100 01:34:29,063 --> 01:34:31,332 "Okay, we'd like you to make these changes. 2101 01:34:31,332 --> 01:34:34,235 In fact, you will make these changes." 2102 01:34:34,234 --> 01:34:35,536 We said, "Well look, let us show you 2103 01:34:35,536 --> 01:34:37,171 the research that we have, 2104 01:34:37,171 --> 01:34:38,739 that shows that this information 2105 01:34:38,738 --> 01:34:40,507 you want us to broadcast isn't true," 2106 01:34:40,507 --> 01:34:42,842 to which he replies, "I don't care about that." 2107 01:34:43,677 --> 01:34:44,711 I said, "Pardon me?" 2108 01:34:44,712 --> 01:34:46,814 And he said, "That's what I have lawyers for. 2109 01:34:46,814 --> 01:34:49,583 Just write it the way the lawyers want it written." 2110 01:34:49,582 --> 01:34:51,251 I said, "You know, this is news. 2111 01:34:51,252 --> 01:34:52,186 This is important. 2112 01:34:52,185 --> 01:34:54,121 This is stuff people need to know." 2113 01:34:54,121 --> 01:34:57,391 And I'll never forget, he didn't pause a beat and he said, 2114 01:34:57,390 --> 01:35:02,162 "We just paid $3 billion for these television stations. 2115 01:35:02,162 --> 01:35:04,597 We'll tell you what the news is. 2116 01:35:04,597 --> 01:35:07,333 The news is what we say it is." 2117 01:35:07,333 --> 01:35:08,903 I said, "I'm not doing that." 2118 01:35:08,903 --> 01:35:10,137 And he said, "Well," 2119 01:35:10,136 --> 01:35:12,206 he said, "If you refuse to present this story 2120 01:35:12,206 --> 01:35:14,275 the way we think it should be presented, 2121 01:35:14,274 --> 01:35:16,643 you'll be fired for insubordination." 2122 01:35:16,644 --> 01:35:19,180 I said, "I will go to the Federal Communications Commission 2123 01:35:19,180 --> 01:35:22,917 and I will report that I was fired from my job 2124 01:35:22,917 --> 01:35:25,953 by you, the licensee of these public airwaves, 2125 01:35:25,953 --> 01:35:28,489 because I refused to lie to people on the air." 2126 01:35:28,488 --> 01:35:30,523 And it's, "Thank you very much. 2127 01:35:30,524 --> 01:35:32,393 You'll hear from us right away." 2128 01:35:32,393 --> 01:35:35,496 Well, 24 hours came and went and we didn't hear a thing. 2129 01:35:35,496 --> 01:35:37,297 And about a week later he calls us back 2130 01:35:37,297 --> 01:35:39,632 and now we've changed strategies. 2131 01:35:39,632 --> 01:35:43,570 "How about if we pay you some money and you just go away?" 2132 01:35:45,872 --> 01:35:49,342 And I said, "How much money?" 2133 01:35:49,342 --> 01:35:51,377 because when somebody offers to bribe you like that 2134 01:35:51,377 --> 01:35:53,179 I always want to know if it might be worth it. 2135 01:35:53,180 --> 01:35:56,150 - He was gonna offer us the rest of our year's salary 2136 01:35:57,051 --> 01:36:02,056 if we agreed not to talk about what Monsanto had done, 2137 01:36:03,591 --> 01:36:07,194 to not talk about the Fox corporate response 2138 01:36:07,194 --> 01:36:08,896 in suppressing the story, 2139 01:36:08,895 --> 01:36:12,233 and to not talk about the story, 2140 01:36:12,233 --> 01:36:15,970 not talk about BGH again, anywhere, 2141 01:36:15,970 --> 01:36:18,905 not take this story to another news organization, 2142 01:36:18,905 --> 01:36:19,739 zip up. 2143 01:36:21,007 --> 01:36:21,975 - I said, "You mean if I want to go 2144 01:36:21,975 --> 01:36:23,376 to my daughter's PTA meetings 2145 01:36:23,377 --> 01:36:25,613 and explain what's in the school milk 2146 01:36:25,613 --> 01:36:27,414 at the school lunch program, I can't?" 2147 01:36:27,413 --> 01:36:28,248 "No. 2148 01:36:28,248 --> 01:36:30,216 You can never speak about this anywhere." 2149 01:36:30,216 --> 01:36:33,086 - And Steve says, "Okay, write it up." 2150 01:36:33,087 --> 01:36:36,991 And I'm like, "What are you talking about write it up?" 2151 01:36:36,990 --> 01:36:38,692 And I didn't say anything. 2152 01:36:38,692 --> 01:36:42,328 And Dave, he wrote it up 2153 01:36:42,328 --> 01:36:44,831 and he FedExed it to us a couple days later. 2154 01:36:45,932 --> 01:36:48,435 And he said, "Are you gonna sign?" 2155 01:36:48,435 --> 01:36:51,605 And we said, "Nah, Dave, we're not gonna sign that." 2156 01:36:51,604 --> 01:36:53,907 And he said, "Well send it back, okay?" 2157 01:36:53,908 --> 01:36:56,143 We said, "Nah, Dave, we're not gonna send that back." 2158 01:36:56,143 --> 01:36:59,712 - It was, "Okay, we can't buy you out, 2159 01:36:59,712 --> 01:37:01,081 we can't shut you up, 2160 01:37:01,081 --> 01:37:02,716 let's get the story on the air 2161 01:37:02,716 --> 01:37:05,286 in a way that we can all agree it will go on the air." 2162 01:37:05,286 --> 01:37:08,756 And we started rewriting and editing with their lawyers. 2163 01:37:08,756 --> 01:37:11,225 - Well during this eight month re-review process 2164 01:37:11,225 --> 01:37:12,793 I say jokingly, 2165 01:37:13,661 --> 01:37:14,895 they did things like 2166 01:37:14,895 --> 01:37:17,464 for example they wanted to take out the word cancer. 2167 01:37:17,463 --> 01:37:20,600 You don't have to identify what the potential problem is, 2168 01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,336 but just say human health implications. 2169 01:37:24,204 --> 01:37:26,940 Any criticism of Monsanto or its product, 2170 01:37:26,940 --> 01:37:29,976 they either removed it or minimized it. 2171 01:37:29,976 --> 01:37:32,947 And it was very, very clear I would say 2172 01:37:32,947 --> 01:37:35,516 almost every edit they made to the piece, 2173 01:37:35,515 --> 01:37:36,649 that was the aim. 2174 01:37:36,649 --> 01:37:38,719 - And we'd change this and this and this, 2175 01:37:38,719 --> 01:37:39,953 and then that wasn't good enough. 2176 01:37:39,953 --> 01:37:42,188 "Okay, now change this and this and this. 2177 01:37:42,189 --> 01:37:44,124 Now change this and this." 2178 01:37:44,123 --> 01:37:47,293 Version after version after version. 2179 01:37:47,293 --> 01:37:49,697 83 times. 2180 01:37:49,697 --> 01:37:51,699 - 83 times is unheard of. 2181 01:37:51,698 --> 01:37:52,799 It doesn't happen. 2182 01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:54,969 You shouldn't have to rewrite something 83 times. 2183 01:37:54,969 --> 01:37:57,238 Obviously they didn't want to put the thing on the air 2184 01:37:57,238 --> 01:37:58,873 and they were trying to drive us crazy 2185 01:37:58,872 --> 01:37:59,906 and get us to quit 2186 01:37:59,907 --> 01:38:02,509 or wait until the first window in our contract 2187 01:38:02,509 --> 01:38:03,911 so that they could fire us. 2188 01:38:03,911 --> 01:38:07,014 - They in effect announced that they were going to fire us 2189 01:38:07,014 --> 01:38:07,981 for no cause. 2190 01:38:09,182 --> 01:38:10,684 Well this was a little much. 2191 01:38:10,684 --> 01:38:13,621 - And Steve wrote a letter to the lawyer in Atlanta, 2192 01:38:13,621 --> 01:38:15,288 whose name is Carolyn Forrest, 2193 01:38:15,288 --> 01:38:16,890 the Fox corporate lawyer. 2194 01:38:16,890 --> 01:38:19,025 - And I said, "You know, this isn't about 2195 01:38:19,025 --> 01:38:21,394 being fired for no cause. 2196 01:38:21,395 --> 01:38:25,566 You're firing us because we refused to put on the air 2197 01:38:25,565 --> 01:38:27,434 something that we knew and demonstrated 2198 01:38:27,434 --> 01:38:28,836 to be false and misleading. 2199 01:38:28,836 --> 01:38:30,271 That's what this is about, 2200 01:38:30,270 --> 01:38:31,771 and because we put up a fight, 2201 01:38:31,771 --> 01:38:33,707 because we stood up to this big corporation 2202 01:38:33,707 --> 01:38:34,807 and we stood up to your editors 2203 01:38:34,807 --> 01:38:35,975 and we stood up to your lawyers, 2204 01:38:35,975 --> 01:38:37,010 and we said to you, 2205 01:38:37,011 --> 01:38:38,212 look there ought to be a principle 2206 01:38:38,212 --> 01:38:40,314 higher than just making money." 2207 01:38:40,314 --> 01:38:41,615 - And she wrote a letter back and said, 2208 01:38:41,614 --> 01:38:42,448 "You are right. 2209 01:38:42,448 --> 01:38:43,683 That's exactly what it was. 2210 01:38:43,684 --> 01:38:45,686 You stood up to us on this story, 2211 01:38:45,685 --> 01:38:48,188 and that's why we're letting you go." 2212 01:38:48,188 --> 01:38:49,657 Big mistake. 2213 01:38:49,657 --> 01:38:50,591 Big mistake. 2214 01:38:50,591 --> 01:38:53,127 That says retaliation. 2215 01:38:53,127 --> 01:38:55,796 You can't retaliate against employees 2216 01:38:55,796 --> 01:38:57,698 if they're standing up for something 2217 01:38:57,698 --> 01:38:59,533 that they believe is illegal, 2218 01:38:59,533 --> 01:39:01,635 that they don't want to participate in. 2219 01:39:01,635 --> 01:39:04,471 So that gave us the whistleblower status 2220 01:39:04,470 --> 01:39:06,572 that we needed in the state of Florida 2221 01:39:06,573 --> 01:39:09,410 to file a whistleblower claim against our employer. 2222 01:39:10,377 --> 01:39:12,880 - Two or three years later we got to trial. 2223 01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:17,284 Five weeks of testimony led to a jury verdict of $425,000, 2224 01:39:18,484 --> 01:39:20,386 in which the jury determined that 2225 01:39:20,386 --> 01:39:22,188 the story they pressured us to broadcast, 2226 01:39:22,189 --> 01:39:24,057 the story we resisted telling, 2227 01:39:24,057 --> 01:39:26,793 was in fact false, distorted, or slanted. 2228 01:39:26,793 --> 01:39:30,096 (light electronic music) 2229 01:39:30,096 --> 01:39:31,998 - [Narrator] Fox News appealed the verdict. 2230 01:39:32,966 --> 01:39:34,902 Five major news media corporations 2231 01:39:34,902 --> 01:39:36,203 filed briefs with the court 2232 01:39:36,203 --> 01:39:38,105 in support of Fox's appeal. 2233 01:39:43,176 --> 01:39:45,679 - You may recall that Jane Akre, a former reporter here, 2234 01:39:45,679 --> 01:39:48,349 sued Fox 13 in a whistleblower lawsuit, 2235 01:39:48,349 --> 01:39:52,152 claiming she was fired for refusing to distort her report. 2236 01:39:52,152 --> 01:39:54,188 The appeals court today threw that case out, 2237 01:39:54,188 --> 01:39:56,457 saying Miss Akre had no whistleblower claim 2238 01:39:56,457 --> 01:39:59,560 against the station based on news distortion. 2239 01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,429 Fox 13 Vice President and General Manager Bob Linger 2240 01:40:02,429 --> 01:40:05,399 says the station has been completely vindicated by the rule. 2241 01:40:06,399 --> 01:40:09,502 - [Narrator] What Fox neglected to report is this. 2242 01:40:09,502 --> 01:40:12,639 Jane sued Fox under Florida's whistleblower statute, 2243 01:40:12,639 --> 01:40:15,109 which protects those who try to prevent others 2244 01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:16,210 from breaking the law, 2245 01:40:17,711 --> 01:40:20,847 but her appeal court judges found that falsifying news 2246 01:40:20,847 --> 01:40:22,649 isn't actually against the law, 2247 01:40:23,684 --> 01:40:26,552 so they denied Jane her whistleblower status, 2248 01:40:26,552 --> 01:40:28,221 overturned the case, 2249 01:40:28,221 --> 01:40:31,257 and withdrew her $425,000 award. 2250 01:40:32,826 --> 01:40:36,396 Canada and Europe have upheld the ban on rBGH, 2251 01:40:37,631 --> 01:40:38,699 yet it remains hidden 2252 01:40:38,698 --> 01:40:41,167 in much of the milk supply of the United States. 2253 01:40:47,541 --> 01:40:50,010 The prospect that two thirds of the world's population 2254 01:40:50,010 --> 01:40:53,646 will have no access to fresh drinking water by 2025 2255 01:40:53,646 --> 01:40:55,548 has provoked the initial confrontations 2256 01:40:55,548 --> 01:40:57,350 in a worldwide battle for control 2257 01:40:57,350 --> 01:40:59,519 over the planet's most basic resource. 2258 01:41:01,854 --> 01:41:04,690 When Bolivia sought to refinance the public water service 2259 01:41:04,690 --> 01:41:06,527 of its third-largest city, 2260 01:41:06,527 --> 01:41:09,163 the World Bank required that it be privatized, 2261 01:41:11,064 --> 01:41:14,000 which is how the Bechtel corporation of San Francisco 2262 01:41:14,001 --> 01:41:16,470 gained control over all of Cochabamba's water, 2263 01:41:17,404 --> 01:41:19,940 even that which fell from the sky. 2264 01:41:19,939 --> 01:41:23,609 (speaking foreign language) 2265 01:41:41,028 --> 01:41:44,431 (light orchestral music) 2266 01:42:05,786 --> 01:42:08,622 (people shouting) 2267 01:42:23,737 --> 01:42:25,239 (chanting in a foreign language) 2268 01:42:25,238 --> 01:42:27,173 - [Narrator] The price his beleaguered country paid 2269 01:42:27,173 --> 01:42:28,609 for World Bank loans 2270 01:42:28,609 --> 01:42:31,445 was the privatization of the state oil industry 2271 01:42:31,444 --> 01:42:35,381 and its airline, railroad, electric, and phone companies. 2272 01:42:37,684 --> 01:42:39,619 But the government failed to convince Bolivians 2273 01:42:39,619 --> 01:42:42,756 that water is a commodity like any other. 2274 01:42:42,756 --> 01:42:47,226 (speaking foreign language) 2275 01:42:47,226 --> 01:42:50,898 (speaking foreign language) 2276 01:43:05,412 --> 01:43:08,749 (explosion booming) 2277 01:43:08,748 --> 01:43:12,418 (speaking foreign language) 2278 01:43:18,492 --> 01:43:19,326 - [Narrator] Bolivia was determined 2279 01:43:19,326 --> 01:43:20,993 to defend the corporation's right 2280 01:43:20,993 --> 01:43:23,630 to charge families living on $2 a day 2281 01:43:23,630 --> 01:43:26,099 as much as one quarter of their income for water. 2282 01:43:28,268 --> 01:43:29,770 The greater the popular resistance 2283 01:43:29,770 --> 01:43:31,972 to the water privatization scheme, 2284 01:43:31,971 --> 01:43:34,240 the more violent became the standoff. 2285 01:43:34,240 --> 01:43:37,711 (people shouting) 2286 01:43:37,711 --> 01:43:41,381 (speaking foreign language) 2287 01:44:01,868 --> 01:44:04,638 (gunshot firing) 2288 01:44:20,621 --> 01:44:22,655 - [Narrator] Transnational corporations have a long 2289 01:44:22,655 --> 01:44:25,559 and dark history of condoning tyrannical governments. 2290 01:44:27,127 --> 01:44:30,197 Is it narcissism that compels them to seek their reflection 2291 01:44:30,197 --> 01:44:33,166 in the regimented structures of fascist regimes? 2292 01:44:50,716 --> 01:44:51,684 - There was an interesting connection 2293 01:44:51,685 --> 01:44:55,589 between the rise of fascism in Europe 2294 01:44:55,588 --> 01:45:00,594 and the consciousness of politically radical people 2295 01:45:00,993 --> 01:45:02,595 about corporate power, 2296 01:45:03,630 --> 01:45:08,601 because there was a recognition that fascism arose in Europe 2297 01:45:08,635 --> 01:45:12,105 with the help of enormous corporations. 2298 01:45:12,104 --> 01:45:15,708 - Mussolini was greatly admired all across the spectrum. 2299 01:45:15,708 --> 01:45:17,010 Business loved him. 2300 01:45:17,010 --> 01:45:18,478 Investments shot up. 2301 01:45:18,478 --> 01:45:20,247 Incidentally, when Hitler came in in Germany 2302 01:45:20,247 --> 01:45:21,815 the same thing happened there. 2303 01:45:21,814 --> 01:45:23,884 The investments shot up in Germany. 2304 01:45:23,884 --> 01:45:26,286 He had the workforce under control. 2305 01:45:26,286 --> 01:45:29,422 He was getting rid of dangerous left-wing elements. 2306 01:45:29,422 --> 01:45:31,490 Investment opportunities were improving. 2307 01:45:31,490 --> 01:45:32,525 There was no problems. 2308 01:45:32,525 --> 01:45:34,027 These are wonderful countries. 2309 01:45:35,127 --> 01:45:37,163 - I think one of the greatest untold stories 2310 01:45:37,163 --> 01:45:38,731 of the 20th century 2311 01:45:38,731 --> 01:45:42,202 is the collusion between corporations, 2312 01:45:42,202 --> 01:45:44,271 especially in America 2313 01:45:44,270 --> 01:45:46,238 and Nazi Germany, 2314 01:45:46,238 --> 01:45:49,408 first in terms of how the corporations from America 2315 01:45:49,408 --> 01:45:51,610 helped to essentially rebuild Germany 2316 01:45:51,610 --> 01:45:54,847 and support the early Nazi regime, 2317 01:45:54,847 --> 01:45:57,583 and then when the war broke out, 2318 01:45:57,583 --> 01:46:00,487 figured out a way to keep everything going. 2319 01:46:00,487 --> 01:46:03,590 So General Motors was able to keep Opel going. 2320 01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:06,760 Ford was able to keep their thing going. 2321 01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:08,762 And companies like Coca-Cola, 2322 01:46:08,761 --> 01:46:10,630 because they couldn't keep the Coca-Cola going, 2323 01:46:10,630 --> 01:46:13,533 so what they did was they invented Fanta orange 2324 01:46:13,533 --> 01:46:15,135 for the Germans. 2325 01:46:15,135 --> 01:46:18,872 And that's how Coke was able to keep their profits 2326 01:46:18,872 --> 01:46:21,141 coming in to Coca-Cola. 2327 01:46:21,140 --> 01:46:23,042 So when you drink Fanta orange, 2328 01:46:23,042 --> 01:46:24,777 that's the Nazi drink 2329 01:46:24,778 --> 01:46:28,715 that was created so that Coke could continue making money 2330 01:46:28,715 --> 01:46:30,217 while millions of people died. 2331 01:46:31,251 --> 01:46:34,154 - When Hitler came to power in 1933, 2332 01:46:34,154 --> 01:46:37,557 his goal was to dismantle and destroy the Jewish community. 2333 01:46:37,556 --> 01:46:40,059 This was an enterprise so fast 2334 01:46:40,060 --> 01:46:42,696 that it required the resources of a computer. 2335 01:46:42,695 --> 01:46:45,364 But in 1933 there was no computer. 2336 01:46:45,364 --> 01:46:49,101 What there was was the IBM punch card system, 2337 01:46:49,101 --> 01:46:52,538 which controlled and stored information 2338 01:46:52,538 --> 01:46:54,440 based upon the holes that were punched 2339 01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:57,610 in various rows and columns. 2340 01:46:57,610 --> 01:46:59,880 Naturally there was no off-the-shelf software 2341 01:46:59,880 --> 01:47:01,280 as there is today. 2342 01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:03,750 Each application was custom-designed, 2343 01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:06,586 and the engineer had to personally configure it. 2344 01:47:07,921 --> 01:47:10,289 Millions of people, 2345 01:47:10,289 --> 01:47:14,027 of all religions and nationalities and characteristics, 2346 01:47:14,027 --> 01:47:17,329 went through the concentration camp system. 2347 01:47:17,329 --> 01:47:20,399 That's an extraordinary traffic management program 2348 01:47:20,399 --> 01:47:25,371 that required an IBM system in every railroad direction 2349 01:47:25,604 --> 01:47:29,942 and an IBM system in every concentration camp. 2350 01:47:29,943 --> 01:47:32,712 (dramatic music) 2351 01:47:36,283 --> 01:47:39,419 - Now this is a typical prisoner card. 2352 01:47:39,418 --> 01:47:40,386 There are little boxes 2353 01:47:40,386 --> 01:47:42,456 where all the information is to be punched in. 2354 01:47:42,456 --> 01:47:43,856 We compare this information 2355 01:47:43,856 --> 01:47:46,091 to the code sheet for concentration camps, 2356 01:47:46,091 --> 01:47:47,726 and here you see Auschwitz is one, 2357 01:47:47,726 --> 01:47:50,729 Buchenwald two, Dachau is three. 2358 01:47:50,729 --> 01:47:53,032 Now what kinds of prisoners were they? 2359 01:47:53,033 --> 01:47:55,469 They could be a Jehovah's Witness for two, 2360 01:47:55,469 --> 01:47:57,270 a homosexual for three, 2361 01:47:57,270 --> 01:47:58,939 communists for six, 2362 01:47:58,939 --> 01:48:01,106 or a Jew would be eight. 2363 01:48:01,106 --> 01:48:02,708 Now what was their status. 2364 01:48:02,708 --> 01:48:04,810 One was released. 2365 01:48:04,810 --> 01:48:06,545 Two was transferred. 2366 01:48:06,546 --> 01:48:08,280 Four was executed. 2367 01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:09,850 Five was suicide. 2368 01:48:09,850 --> 01:48:14,688 And six, code six, Sonderbehandlung, 2369 01:48:14,688 --> 01:48:16,288 special treatment, 2370 01:48:16,288 --> 01:48:20,159 meant the gas chamber or sometimes a bullet. 2371 01:48:20,159 --> 01:48:21,760 They would punch that number in. 2372 01:48:21,761 --> 01:48:23,263 The material was tabulated. 2373 01:48:23,262 --> 01:48:25,097 The machines were set. 2374 01:48:25,097 --> 01:48:29,101 And of course the punch cards by the millions 2375 01:48:29,101 --> 01:48:30,302 had to be printed 2376 01:48:30,302 --> 01:48:33,273 and they were printed exclusively by IBM 2377 01:48:33,273 --> 01:48:36,710 and the profits were recovered just after the war. 2378 01:48:37,743 --> 01:48:40,713 - I really do believe that that particular accusation 2379 01:48:40,713 --> 01:48:45,385 has been fairly discredited as a serious accusation. 2380 01:48:45,385 --> 01:48:48,954 That is, the fact that they have used equipment, 2381 01:48:50,189 --> 01:48:52,057 that is a fact, 2382 01:48:52,057 --> 01:48:53,193 but how they got it, 2383 01:48:53,193 --> 01:48:55,195 how much cooperation they got, 2384 01:48:55,194 --> 01:48:56,929 and any kind of collusion 2385 01:48:56,930 --> 01:48:59,533 trying to connect dots that are not connected, 2386 01:48:59,533 --> 01:49:02,335 I think that's the part that is discredited. 2387 01:49:03,904 --> 01:49:07,774 Generally you sell computers 2388 01:49:07,774 --> 01:49:09,876 and they're used in a variety of ways, 2389 01:49:09,876 --> 01:49:11,845 and you always hope they're used 2390 01:49:11,845 --> 01:49:14,648 in the more positive ways possible. 2391 01:49:14,648 --> 01:49:16,516 If you ever found out they're used 2392 01:49:16,515 --> 01:49:18,851 in ways that are not positive, 2393 01:49:18,851 --> 01:49:22,988 then you would hope that you stop supporting that, 2394 01:49:22,988 --> 01:49:25,057 but do you always know, 2395 01:49:25,057 --> 01:49:26,259 can you always tell, 2396 01:49:26,259 --> 01:49:27,661 can you always find out? 2397 01:49:31,831 --> 01:49:33,934 IBM would of course say that it had no control 2398 01:49:33,934 --> 01:49:35,502 over its German subsidiary, 2399 01:49:35,502 --> 01:49:38,438 but here in October 9th of 1941 2400 01:49:38,438 --> 01:49:41,574 a letter is being written directly to Thomas J. Watson 2401 01:49:41,574 --> 01:49:44,476 with all sorts of detail about the activities 2402 01:49:44,476 --> 01:49:46,479 of the German subsidiary. 2403 01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:48,847 None of these machines were sold. 2404 01:49:48,847 --> 01:49:50,449 They were all leased by IBM. 2405 01:49:50,449 --> 01:49:52,786 And they had to be serviced on site once a month, 2406 01:49:52,786 --> 01:49:54,854 even if that was at a concentration camp, 2407 01:49:54,854 --> 01:49:57,023 such as Dachau, Buchenwald. 2408 01:49:57,023 --> 01:50:01,328 This is a typical contract with IBM and the Third Reich, 2409 01:50:01,328 --> 01:50:02,929 which was instituted in 1942. 2410 01:50:04,296 --> 01:50:06,231 It's not with the Dutch subsidiary. 2411 01:50:06,231 --> 01:50:08,301 It's not with the German subsidiary. 2412 01:50:08,301 --> 01:50:12,606 It is with the IBM corporation in New York. 2413 01:50:12,605 --> 01:50:13,974 - You know, as it happens, 2414 01:50:15,274 --> 01:50:16,710 I know that story. 2415 01:50:17,944 --> 01:50:21,948 I discussed it more than once with old Mr. Watson. 2416 01:50:21,948 --> 01:50:23,583 And I was around at the time. 2417 01:50:24,516 --> 01:50:26,051 I'm not saying that Watson didn't know 2418 01:50:26,051 --> 01:50:29,688 that the German government used punch cards. 2419 01:50:29,689 --> 01:50:31,057 He probably did know. 2420 01:50:31,992 --> 01:50:34,527 After we had very few customers. 2421 01:50:34,527 --> 01:50:36,128 Watson didn't want to do it, 2422 01:50:36,128 --> 01:50:38,731 was not because he thought it was immoral or not, 2423 01:50:39,632 --> 01:50:40,666 but because Watson, 2424 01:50:40,667 --> 01:50:43,536 with a very keen sense of public relations, 2425 01:50:43,536 --> 01:50:44,938 thought it was risky. 2426 01:50:45,872 --> 01:50:46,706 - [Narrator] It should not surprise us 2427 01:50:46,706 --> 01:50:48,608 that corporate allegiance to profits 2428 01:50:48,608 --> 01:50:50,810 will trump their allegiance to any flag. 2429 01:50:51,711 --> 01:50:54,247 A recent U.S. Treasury Department report 2430 01:50:54,247 --> 01:50:56,249 revealed that in one week alone, 2431 01:50:56,248 --> 01:50:58,585 57 U.S. corporations were fined 2432 01:50:58,585 --> 01:51:02,055 for trading with official enemies of the United States, 2433 01:51:02,055 --> 01:51:06,059 including terrorists, tyrants, and despotic regimes. 2434 01:51:09,095 --> 01:51:13,266 (dramatic orchestral music) (clock ticking) 2435 01:51:13,265 --> 01:51:15,367 - [Man] You can roughly locate any community 2436 01:51:15,368 --> 01:51:16,903 somewhere along a scale 2437 01:51:16,903 --> 01:51:20,472 running all the way from democracy to despotism. 2438 01:51:24,344 --> 01:51:27,380 This man makes it his job to study these things. 2439 01:51:27,380 --> 01:51:29,615 - Well for one thing, 2440 01:51:29,615 --> 01:51:33,520 avoid the comfortable idea that the mere form of government 2441 01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:37,891 can of itself safeguard a nation against despotism. 2442 01:51:37,890 --> 01:51:40,192 (march-like music) 2443 01:51:40,193 --> 01:51:41,360 - [Narrator] For big business, 2444 01:51:41,360 --> 01:51:43,328 despotism was often a useful tool 2445 01:51:43,328 --> 01:51:46,398 for securing foreign markets and pursuing profits. 2446 01:51:47,466 --> 01:51:48,667 One of the U.S. Marine Corp's 2447 01:51:48,667 --> 01:51:50,569 most highly decorated generals, 2448 01:51:50,569 --> 01:51:52,505 Smedley Darlington Butler, 2449 01:51:52,505 --> 01:51:53,739 by his own account 2450 01:51:53,739 --> 01:51:57,109 helped pacify Mexico for American oil companies, 2451 01:51:57,109 --> 01:51:59,945 Haiti and Cuba for National City Bank, 2452 01:51:59,945 --> 01:52:02,548 Nicaragua for the Brown Brothers brokerage, 2453 01:52:02,548 --> 01:52:05,652 the Dominican Republic for sugar interests, 2454 01:52:05,652 --> 01:52:08,421 Honduras for U.S. fruit companies, 2455 01:52:08,421 --> 01:52:10,457 and China for Standard Oil. 2456 01:52:12,759 --> 01:52:15,028 General Butler's services were also in demand 2457 01:52:15,028 --> 01:52:17,997 in the United States itself in the 1930s. 2458 01:52:17,997 --> 01:52:20,300 As President Franklin Delano Roosevelt 2459 01:52:20,300 --> 01:52:22,869 sought to relieve the misery of the Depression 2460 01:52:22,868 --> 01:52:24,503 through public enterprise 2461 01:52:24,503 --> 01:52:25,572 and tougher regulations 2462 01:52:25,572 --> 01:52:28,541 on corporate exploitation and misdeeds. 2463 01:52:28,541 --> 01:52:31,411 - [Narrator] More power to you, President Roosevelt. 2464 01:52:31,411 --> 01:52:33,680 The entire country's behind you, 2465 01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,282 thrilled with hope and patriotism. 2466 01:52:36,282 --> 01:52:37,217 - [Narrator] But the country was not 2467 01:52:37,216 --> 01:52:39,885 entirely behind the populist president. 2468 01:52:39,886 --> 01:52:41,588 Large parts of the corporate elite 2469 01:52:41,587 --> 01:52:43,989 despised what Roosevelt's New Deal stood for. 2470 01:52:45,091 --> 01:52:47,627 And so in 1934 2471 01:52:47,627 --> 01:52:50,497 a group of conspirators sought to involve General Butler 2472 01:52:50,497 --> 01:52:52,499 in a treasonous plan. 2473 01:52:52,498 --> 01:52:53,599 - [Man] The plan as outlined to me 2474 01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:56,136 was to form an organization of veterans, 2475 01:52:56,136 --> 01:52:58,905 to use as bluff, or as a club at least, 2476 01:52:58,904 --> 01:53:01,140 to intimidate the government. 2477 01:53:01,140 --> 01:53:02,007 - [Narrator] But the corporate cabal 2478 01:53:02,007 --> 01:53:03,609 had picked the wrong man. 2479 01:53:03,609 --> 01:53:05,911 Butler was fed up with being what he called 2480 01:53:05,912 --> 01:53:07,280 a gangster for capitalism. 2481 01:53:08,314 --> 01:53:11,484 (excited brass music) 2482 01:53:13,051 --> 01:53:15,755 - I appear before the congressional committee 2483 01:53:15,755 --> 01:53:18,423 the highest representation of the American people 2484 01:53:18,423 --> 01:53:21,694 under subpoena, to tell what I knew of activities, 2485 01:53:21,694 --> 01:53:23,463 which I believed might lead 2486 01:53:23,462 --> 01:53:25,898 to an attempt to set up a fascist dictatorship. 2487 01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,600 The upshot of the whole thing was that 2488 01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:32,704 I was supposed to lead an organization of 500,000 men 2489 01:53:32,704 --> 01:53:34,106 which would be able to take over 2490 01:53:34,106 --> 01:53:35,507 the functions of government. 2491 01:53:36,975 --> 01:53:39,011 - [Narrator] A congressional committee ultimately found 2492 01:53:39,011 --> 01:53:42,314 evidence of a plot to overthrow Roosevelt. 2493 01:53:42,314 --> 01:53:43,715 According to Butler 2494 01:53:43,716 --> 01:53:45,718 the conspiracy included representatives 2495 01:53:45,717 --> 01:53:48,320 of some of America's top corporations, 2496 01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:52,024 including JP Morgan, DuPont, and Goodyear Tire. 2497 01:53:55,461 --> 01:53:56,762 (mysterious electronic music) 2498 01:53:56,762 --> 01:53:59,599 As today's chairman of Goodyear Tire knows, 2499 01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:01,266 for corporations to dominate government, 2500 01:54:01,266 --> 01:54:03,903 a coup is no longer necessary. 2501 01:54:04,804 --> 01:54:06,405 - Corporations have gone global, 2502 01:54:07,273 --> 01:54:08,807 and by going global, 2503 01:54:08,807 --> 01:54:13,813 the governments have lost some control over corporations. 2504 01:54:13,846 --> 01:54:16,315 Regardless of whether the corporation can be trusted 2505 01:54:16,315 --> 01:54:17,951 or cannot be trusted, 2506 01:54:17,951 --> 01:54:21,988 governments today do not have over the corporations 2507 01:54:21,988 --> 01:54:23,923 the power that they had, 2508 01:54:23,922 --> 01:54:27,893 and the leverage that they had 50 or 60 years ago. 2509 01:54:27,894 --> 01:54:29,095 And that's a major change. 2510 01:54:29,095 --> 01:54:32,131 So governments have become powerless 2511 01:54:32,131 --> 01:54:35,001 compared to what they were before. 2512 01:54:35,001 --> 01:54:38,805 - Capitalism today commands the towering heights, 2513 01:54:38,805 --> 01:54:41,774 and has displaced politics and politicians 2514 01:54:41,774 --> 01:54:43,309 as the new high priests, 2515 01:54:43,309 --> 01:54:45,612 and reigning oligarchs of our system. 2516 01:54:45,612 --> 01:54:50,449 So capitalism and its principle protagonists and players, 2517 01:54:50,449 --> 01:54:52,085 corporate CEOs, 2518 01:54:52,085 --> 01:54:56,055 have been accorded unusual power and access. 2519 01:54:56,055 --> 01:54:57,923 This is not to deny the significance 2520 01:54:57,923 --> 01:54:59,324 of government and politicians, 2521 01:54:59,324 --> 01:55:01,226 but these are the new high priests. 2522 01:55:04,930 --> 01:55:07,432 - I was invited to Washington, D.C 2523 01:55:07,432 --> 01:55:09,002 to attend this meeting 2524 01:55:09,002 --> 01:55:11,871 that was being put together by the National Security Agency 2525 01:55:11,871 --> 01:55:13,972 called the Critical Thinking Consortium. 2526 01:55:14,806 --> 01:55:16,809 I remember standing there in this room 2527 01:55:16,809 --> 01:55:19,945 and looking over on one side of the room, 2528 01:55:19,945 --> 01:55:24,951 and we had CIA, NSA, DIA, FBI, Customs, Secret Service, 2529 01:55:28,220 --> 01:55:30,489 and then on the other side of the room we had 2530 01:55:31,356 --> 01:55:35,127 Coca Cola, Mobile Oil, GTE and Kodak. 2531 01:55:36,061 --> 01:55:38,064 And I remember thinking, "I am in the epicenter 2532 01:55:38,064 --> 01:55:41,401 of the intelligence industry right now." 2533 01:55:41,400 --> 01:55:43,936 I mean, the line is not just blurring. 2534 01:55:43,936 --> 01:55:45,637 It's just not there anymore. 2535 01:55:47,206 --> 01:55:49,242 And to me it spoke volumes 2536 01:55:49,242 --> 01:55:53,646 as to how industry and government 2537 01:55:53,645 --> 01:55:56,815 were consulting with each other and working with each other. 2538 01:55:56,815 --> 01:56:00,219 (light electronic music) 2539 01:56:08,360 --> 01:56:09,628 (helicopter whirring) 2540 01:56:09,628 --> 01:56:11,764 - [Narrator] As 34 nations of the Western Hemisphere 2541 01:56:11,764 --> 01:56:14,434 gathered to draft a far-reaching trade agreement, 2542 01:56:14,434 --> 01:56:15,802 one that would lay the groundwork 2543 01:56:15,801 --> 01:56:19,072 to privatize every resource and service imaginable, 2544 01:56:19,072 --> 01:56:19,905 thousands of people 2545 01:56:19,905 --> 01:56:22,341 from hundreds of grassroots organizations 2546 01:56:22,341 --> 01:56:23,542 joined to oppose it. 2547 01:56:25,478 --> 01:56:27,313 Canada's top business lobbyists 2548 01:56:27,313 --> 01:56:29,248 and its chief trade representative 2549 01:56:29,247 --> 01:56:31,783 discount the dissent in the streets. 2550 01:56:31,783 --> 01:56:35,020 For them, the Americas' 800 million citizens 2551 01:56:35,020 --> 01:56:36,722 speak with one voice. 2552 01:56:36,722 --> 01:56:38,157 - Nice to see you. 2553 01:56:38,157 --> 01:56:43,162 Well done on your strong advocacy of truth, justice, wisdom, 2554 01:56:44,096 --> 01:56:45,398 and all those things, eh? 2555 01:56:48,467 --> 01:56:50,002 - I was looking yesterday at the 2556 01:56:50,002 --> 01:56:51,737 statements at the inauguration, 2557 01:56:51,738 --> 01:56:52,805 and opening ceremony. 2558 01:56:54,207 --> 01:56:57,777 What an extraordinary progress 2559 01:56:57,777 --> 01:56:59,779 over the last 15 years. 2560 01:56:59,779 --> 01:57:02,415 When you heard such open- 2561 01:57:02,414 --> 01:57:03,248 - [Thomas] A common language. 2562 01:57:03,248 --> 01:57:04,449 - A common language. 2563 01:57:08,688 --> 01:57:11,858 Yes, and from the most developed to the least, 2564 01:57:11,858 --> 01:57:15,161 it was extraordinary that now 2565 01:57:15,161 --> 01:57:18,331 that we see the benefits of trade, 2566 01:57:18,331 --> 01:57:20,333 more and more people want to buy in. 2567 01:57:20,332 --> 01:57:22,567 Because we do realize that it helps everyone. 2568 01:57:22,568 --> 01:57:25,538 From the poorer to the better off, so- 2569 01:57:25,537 --> 01:57:26,471 - A lot of these countries 2570 01:57:26,471 --> 01:57:28,340 are not saying they want to get off, 2571 01:57:28,341 --> 01:57:30,009 they want to get on. 2572 01:57:32,011 --> 01:57:33,980 - [Pierre] Exactly no one wants out. 2573 01:57:33,979 --> 01:57:35,881 Everyone wants in. 2574 01:57:35,881 --> 01:57:36,882 - Anyway, well done. 2575 01:57:36,882 --> 01:57:37,716 - Thank you. 2576 01:57:38,717 --> 01:57:39,918 So far so good. 2577 01:57:41,453 --> 01:57:44,623 (eerie ambient music) 2578 01:58:01,340 --> 01:58:03,042 - I'm inside, and this is all outside, 2579 01:58:03,042 --> 01:58:06,345 so that's, uh, that's the way it is. 2580 01:58:11,984 --> 01:58:14,787 - [Mark] So what do you think when you look at all this? 2581 01:58:14,787 --> 01:58:16,088 - Well, it's uh, I mean, 2582 01:58:16,088 --> 01:58:19,792 I think that it's too bad that this has, uh, 2583 01:58:19,792 --> 01:58:21,427 that this has erupted. 2584 01:58:21,426 --> 01:58:24,362 (aggressive music) 2585 01:58:27,733 --> 01:58:28,801 Merci. 2586 01:58:28,801 --> 01:58:31,471 (gunshot fires) 2587 01:58:40,746 --> 01:58:43,416 (gunshot fires) 2588 01:58:47,587 --> 01:58:48,588 (glass shattering) 2589 01:58:48,587 --> 01:58:51,423 (people laughing) 2590 01:58:58,131 --> 01:59:00,700 Does there need to be some measure of accountability? 2591 01:59:00,699 --> 01:59:02,300 Yes. 2592 01:59:02,301 --> 01:59:05,004 And I think the business community recognizes that. 2593 01:59:05,003 --> 01:59:07,539 But that accountability is in the marketplace. 2594 01:59:07,539 --> 01:59:09,307 It's with their shareholders. 2595 01:59:09,307 --> 01:59:11,711 It's with the public perception and the public image 2596 01:59:11,711 --> 01:59:13,179 that they are projecting. 2597 01:59:13,179 --> 01:59:18,150 If companies don't do what they should be doing, 2598 01:59:18,583 --> 01:59:20,219 they're going to be punished in the marketplace, 2599 01:59:20,219 --> 01:59:22,121 and that's not what any company wants. 2600 01:59:24,689 --> 01:59:25,924 - There's a new market. 2601 01:59:25,925 --> 01:59:28,261 These guys and gals aren't out there 2602 01:59:28,261 --> 01:59:31,097 because government's putting a gun to their head. 2603 01:59:31,096 --> 01:59:33,965 Or because they've suddenly read a book 2604 01:59:33,966 --> 01:59:38,971 about transcendental meditation and global morality. 2605 01:59:39,070 --> 01:59:41,306 - My inner voice says honor my inner child. 2606 01:59:41,306 --> 01:59:43,675 - Mine says love everyone. 2607 01:59:43,676 --> 01:59:44,777 - My inner voice says 2608 01:59:44,777 --> 01:59:46,979 I'd like a Wendy's bacon mushroom melt. 2609 01:59:46,979 --> 01:59:49,448 - They're there because they understand 2610 01:59:49,448 --> 01:59:51,951 the market requires them to be there, 2611 01:59:51,951 --> 01:59:54,453 that there's competitive advantage to be there. 2612 01:59:54,453 --> 01:59:56,322 - I'm listening to your concerns. 2613 01:59:56,322 --> 01:59:57,757 I worry about climate. 2614 01:59:57,756 --> 01:59:59,257 I worry about pollution. 2615 01:59:59,257 --> 02:00:01,527 I do not have all the answers to this, 2616 02:00:01,527 --> 02:00:05,364 but we are prepared to work with you, with society, 2617 02:00:05,363 --> 02:00:08,000 with NGOs, with governments to address it. 2618 02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:10,302 So you rebuild the trust, 2619 02:00:10,302 --> 02:00:14,006 so that you come back to a new kind of trust, 2620 02:00:14,006 --> 02:00:16,642 and then the ultimate goal 2621 02:00:16,641 --> 02:00:19,744 is then to become the corporation of choice. 2622 02:00:19,744 --> 02:00:21,646 - [Narrator] He believes that almost half our energy 2623 02:00:21,646 --> 02:00:23,815 can one day come from renewable sources. 2624 02:00:24,649 --> 02:00:27,118 He's been called a dreamer and a crank. 2625 02:00:28,453 --> 02:00:29,889 - And I've been called a hippie. 2626 02:00:31,457 --> 02:00:35,094 - [Narrator] And more recently, a Project Manager for Shell. 2627 02:00:37,395 --> 02:00:39,798 - I ask myself oftentimes 2628 02:00:39,798 --> 02:00:42,969 why so many companies subscribe 2629 02:00:42,969 --> 02:00:44,904 to corporate social responsibility. 2630 02:00:47,340 --> 02:00:49,809 I'm not sure it's because they 2631 02:00:49,809 --> 02:00:54,547 necessarily want to be responsible in an ultimate way, 2632 02:00:54,546 --> 02:00:57,682 but because they want to be identified 2633 02:00:57,682 --> 02:01:00,920 and seen to be responsible. 2634 02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:03,221 But who am I to judge? 2635 02:01:03,221 --> 02:01:05,090 Who am I to judge? 2636 02:01:05,091 --> 02:01:07,827 It's better they belong than not belong. 2637 02:01:07,827 --> 02:01:11,364 It's better that they make some public profession 2638 02:01:11,363 --> 02:01:14,634 than the opposite. 2639 02:01:14,634 --> 02:01:17,636 - Social responsibility isn't a deep shift 2640 02:01:17,636 --> 02:01:22,641 because it's a voluntary tactic. 2641 02:01:23,042 --> 02:01:28,047 A tactic, a reaction to a certain market at this point. 2642 02:01:29,481 --> 02:01:33,618 And as the corporation reads the market differently, 2643 02:01:33,618 --> 02:01:35,253 it can go back. 2644 02:01:35,253 --> 02:01:38,957 One day you see Bambi, next day you see Godzilla. 2645 02:01:38,957 --> 02:01:40,091 (foot smashing) 2646 02:01:40,091 --> 02:01:42,527 - How do you define socially responsible? 2647 02:01:42,528 --> 02:01:44,262 What business is it of the corporation 2648 02:01:44,262 --> 02:01:47,166 to decide what's socially responsible? 2649 02:01:47,166 --> 02:01:48,967 That isn't their expertise. 2650 02:01:48,967 --> 02:01:53,104 That isn't what their stockholders ask them to do. 2651 02:01:53,104 --> 02:01:56,074 So I think they're going out of their range, 2652 02:01:56,074 --> 02:01:58,310 and it certainly is not democratic. 2653 02:01:59,878 --> 02:02:01,279 - I don't really care 2654 02:02:01,279 --> 02:02:03,882 what the Chairman of General Motors thinks 2655 02:02:03,882 --> 02:02:06,117 is an appropriate level of emissions 2656 02:02:06,118 --> 02:02:09,889 to come out the tailpipe of General Motors automobiles. 2657 02:02:09,889 --> 02:02:11,222 He may have a lot of scientists, 2658 02:02:11,222 --> 02:02:12,891 he may be a very good person, 2659 02:02:12,891 --> 02:02:14,426 but I didn't elect him to anything, 2660 02:02:14,426 --> 02:02:16,895 he doesn't have any power to speak for me. 2661 02:02:16,895 --> 02:02:19,731 These are decisions that must be made by government 2662 02:02:19,731 --> 02:02:21,333 and not by corporations. 2663 02:02:22,301 --> 02:02:24,070 - You take this to its logical conclusion, 2664 02:02:24,069 --> 02:02:28,940 one would have an image that we are in fact at this, 2665 02:02:28,940 --> 02:02:30,208 the end of the world is nigh 2666 02:02:30,208 --> 02:02:34,079 and we are all completely brainwashed 2667 02:02:34,079 --> 02:02:36,047 and there is no space left. 2668 02:02:36,047 --> 02:02:38,917 And I don't believe we're there yet. 2669 02:02:40,819 --> 02:02:42,587 And I think it's really important 2670 02:02:42,587 --> 02:02:44,689 that we don't overstate the case, 2671 02:02:44,689 --> 02:02:47,025 and that we admit that there are cracks and fissures 2672 02:02:47,025 --> 02:02:48,827 in all of these corporate structures. 2673 02:02:48,828 --> 02:02:51,697 And sometimes when a corporation is concentrating 2674 02:02:51,697 --> 02:02:53,532 on one particular project 2675 02:02:53,532 --> 02:02:54,367 they look the other way 2676 02:02:54,367 --> 02:02:56,802 and all kinds of interesting things happen in the corner. 2677 02:02:56,801 --> 02:02:58,403 (light electronic music) 2678 02:02:58,404 --> 02:03:00,373 - It is the case in every period of history 2679 02:03:00,372 --> 02:03:04,609 where injustice based on falsehoods, 2680 02:03:04,609 --> 02:03:08,613 based on taking away the right and freedoms of people 2681 02:03:08,613 --> 02:03:10,849 to live and survive with dignity, 2682 02:03:10,850 --> 02:03:14,353 that eventually when you call a bluff, the tables turn. 2683 02:03:28,533 --> 02:03:33,138 - Ultimately capital puts its foot down somewhere. 2684 02:03:33,139 --> 02:03:35,908 And anywhere it puts its foot down 2685 02:03:35,908 --> 02:03:38,377 it can be held accountable. 2686 02:03:40,912 --> 02:03:44,182 - Originally Wal-Mart and Kathie Lee Gifford had said, 2687 02:03:44,182 --> 02:03:45,117 "Why should we believe you 2688 02:03:45,117 --> 02:03:47,086 that children work in this factory?" 2689 02:03:47,086 --> 02:03:49,422 What we didn't tell them was that Wendy Diaz, 2690 02:03:49,421 --> 02:03:50,288 in the center of the picture, 2691 02:03:50,288 --> 02:03:51,689 was on a plane to the United States. 2692 02:03:51,689 --> 02:03:52,891 This is Wendy Diaz. 2693 02:03:52,891 --> 02:03:54,626 She comes to the United States. 2694 02:03:54,627 --> 02:03:55,928 She's unstoppable. 2695 02:03:55,927 --> 02:03:58,363 - [Newscaster] Congress heard testimony today from children 2696 02:03:58,363 --> 02:04:02,067 who testified they were exploited by sweatshops overseas. 2697 02:04:02,067 --> 02:04:03,836 - Kathie Lee Gifford apologized to Wendy Diaz. 2698 02:04:03,836 --> 02:04:05,570 It was the most amazing thing I'd seen. 2699 02:04:05,570 --> 02:04:09,007 This powerful celebrity leans over and says, 2700 02:04:09,007 --> 02:04:11,609 "Wendy, please believe me, 2701 02:04:11,609 --> 02:04:13,978 I didn't know these conditions existed. 2702 02:04:13,979 --> 02:04:15,581 And now that I do, I'm gonna work with you, 2703 02:04:15,581 --> 02:04:17,048 I'm gonna work with these other people, 2704 02:04:17,048 --> 02:04:19,018 and it'll never happen again." 2705 02:04:19,018 --> 02:04:20,618 And that night we signed an agreement 2706 02:04:20,618 --> 02:04:21,987 with Kathie Lee Gifford. 2707 02:04:21,987 --> 02:04:24,623 - I thought it would be a relatively easy process, 2708 02:04:24,622 --> 02:04:25,757 and it isn't. 2709 02:04:25,757 --> 02:04:27,193 And for every question I have, 2710 02:04:27,193 --> 02:04:30,729 there seem to be five questions that come back at me. 2711 02:04:30,729 --> 02:04:32,565 - As far as Walmart goes and Kathie Lee, 2712 02:04:32,564 --> 02:04:35,000 pretty much everything returned to sweatshop conditions. 2713 02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:38,938 But because this was fought out on television for weeks, 2714 02:04:38,938 --> 02:04:40,538 this incident with Kathie Lee Gifford 2715 02:04:40,538 --> 02:04:41,873 actually took the sweatshop issue 2716 02:04:41,873 --> 02:04:43,541 to every single part of the country. 2717 02:04:43,542 --> 02:04:45,711 And so, frankly, after that, 2718 02:04:45,711 --> 02:04:47,279 there's hardly a single person in this country 2719 02:04:47,279 --> 02:04:48,681 who doesn't know about child labor 2720 02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:50,448 or sweatshops or starvation wages. 2721 02:04:53,985 --> 02:04:57,422 (light electronic music) 2722 02:05:09,734 --> 02:05:14,739 - So what we need to do is to look at the very roots 2723 02:05:15,173 --> 02:05:19,711 of the legal form that created this beast, 2724 02:05:19,712 --> 02:05:23,349 and we need to think who can hold them accountable. 2725 02:05:23,349 --> 02:05:25,618 - They're not graven in stone. 2726 02:05:25,618 --> 02:05:27,253 They can be dismantled. 2727 02:05:27,252 --> 02:05:30,889 In fact, most states have laws 2728 02:05:30,890 --> 02:05:33,659 which require that they be dismantled. 2729 02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:38,631 - For too long now, giant corporations have been allowed 2730 02:05:38,631 --> 02:05:41,166 to undermine democracy here in the United States 2731 02:05:41,166 --> 02:05:42,467 and all over the world. 2732 02:05:42,467 --> 02:05:44,135 But today, the National Lawyers Guild 2733 02:05:44,136 --> 02:05:46,906 and 29 other groups and individuals are fighting back. 2734 02:05:48,439 --> 02:05:51,643 We are calling upon State Attorney General Dan Lundgren 2735 02:05:51,644 --> 02:05:54,079 to comply with California law 2736 02:05:54,078 --> 02:05:56,081 and to revoke the corporate charter 2737 02:05:56,081 --> 02:05:58,551 of the Union Oil Company of California 2738 02:05:58,551 --> 02:06:00,853 for its repeated and grievous offenses. 2739 02:06:00,853 --> 02:06:02,520 (people applauding) 2740 02:06:02,520 --> 02:06:04,489 - This is a statute that is well known. 2741 02:06:04,489 --> 02:06:05,523 It has been used. 2742 02:06:05,524 --> 02:06:06,659 It can be used. 2743 02:06:06,658 --> 02:06:09,094 What this will mean is the dissolution 2744 02:06:09,094 --> 02:06:11,829 of the Union Oil Company of California 2745 02:06:11,829 --> 02:06:15,234 the sale of its assets under careful court orders 2746 02:06:15,234 --> 02:06:17,803 to others who will carry on the public interest. 2747 02:06:17,802 --> 02:06:20,439 (dramatic music) 2748 02:06:20,439 --> 02:06:22,675 - This is nothing more than just a smear campaign. 2749 02:06:22,675 --> 02:06:25,778 This company has been part of California's economy 2750 02:06:25,778 --> 02:06:28,146 for over 100 years, thousands of jobs. 2751 02:06:28,146 --> 02:06:29,847 Doesn't mean it's never made any mistakes, 2752 02:06:29,847 --> 02:06:30,916 paid for those mistakes. 2753 02:06:30,916 --> 02:06:32,685 But this demonizing of a company, 2754 02:06:32,685 --> 02:06:34,320 I think I'm in a time warp or something, 2755 02:06:34,319 --> 02:06:36,822 that I fell asleep and I woke up 50 years ago 2756 02:06:36,822 --> 02:06:38,056 when we heard that kind of rhetoric. 2757 02:06:38,056 --> 02:06:41,527 - Well we have a very, very broad set of people angry- 2758 02:06:41,527 --> 02:06:42,728 - [Jim] It's a broad set- 2759 02:06:42,728 --> 02:06:43,828 - Very angry at this corporation. 2760 02:06:43,828 --> 02:06:45,530 - Of people from the left of the spectrum 2761 02:06:45,530 --> 02:06:47,332 who don't produce anything except hot air. 2762 02:06:47,332 --> 02:06:50,735 - From its complicity in unspeakable human rights violations 2763 02:06:50,735 --> 02:06:53,372 overseas against women, gays, 2764 02:06:53,372 --> 02:06:55,441 laborers, and indigenous peoples, 2765 02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:58,143 to its efforts to subvert U.S. foreign policy 2766 02:06:58,143 --> 02:07:01,913 and deceive the courts, the public and its own stockholders, 2767 02:07:01,913 --> 02:07:05,483 Unocal is emblematic of corporate abuse 2768 02:07:05,484 --> 02:07:07,720 and corporate power run amok. 2769 02:07:07,720 --> 02:07:08,587 (people applauding) 2770 02:07:08,587 --> 02:07:13,492 - Extending a business deal with Burma Army is immoral. 2771 02:07:14,460 --> 02:07:17,695 Unocal cannot do business in Burma 2772 02:07:17,695 --> 02:07:21,934 without supporting that hopeless regime. 2773 02:07:21,934 --> 02:07:23,435 It cannot justify. 2774 02:07:23,435 --> 02:07:25,938 (eerie music) 2775 02:07:31,443 --> 02:07:33,612 - The curse for me has been 2776 02:07:33,612 --> 02:07:37,850 the fact that in making these documentary films, 2777 02:07:37,850 --> 02:07:40,719 I've seen that they actually can impact change, 2778 02:07:40,719 --> 02:07:43,689 so I'm just compelled to just keep making them. 2779 02:07:43,689 --> 02:07:46,291 Yep, that's me, doing what I do. 2780 02:07:46,291 --> 02:07:49,261 All year long I give big companies a hard time, 2781 02:07:49,261 --> 02:07:52,097 but at Christmas time I like to set aside my differences 2782 02:07:52,096 --> 02:07:54,465 and reach out to big business, 2783 02:07:54,466 --> 02:07:55,968 like cigarette companies. 2784 02:07:58,970 --> 02:08:00,938 (pitch pipe blowing) 2785 02:08:00,939 --> 02:08:03,909 ♪ Deck the halls with boughs of holly ♪ 2786 02:08:03,908 --> 02:08:07,645 ♪ Fa la la la la la la la la ♪ 2787 02:08:07,645 --> 02:08:09,081 I went to Littleton, Colorado, 2788 02:08:09,081 --> 02:08:11,750 where the Columbine shooting took place. 2789 02:08:12,685 --> 02:08:14,953 and I didn't know this, but when I arrived, 2790 02:08:14,953 --> 02:08:18,123 I learned what the primary job is 2791 02:08:18,122 --> 02:08:21,192 of the parents of the kids who go to Columbine High School. 2792 02:08:21,193 --> 02:08:23,462 The number one job in Littleton, Colorado: 2793 02:08:23,462 --> 02:08:25,397 they work for Lockheed Martin, 2794 02:08:25,396 --> 02:08:27,399 building weapons of mass destruction. 2795 02:08:28,500 --> 02:08:30,168 But they don't see the connect 2796 02:08:30,168 --> 02:08:33,137 between what they do for a living 2797 02:08:33,137 --> 02:08:35,873 and what their kids do at school. 2798 02:08:35,873 --> 02:08:36,841 Or did at school. 2799 02:08:38,377 --> 02:08:41,080 And so I'm kind of up on my high horse, 2800 02:08:41,079 --> 02:08:42,948 (laughs) thinking about this, 2801 02:08:44,015 --> 02:08:45,917 and I thought, I said to my wife, 2802 02:08:45,917 --> 02:08:49,721 and we both are sons and daughters of auto workers 2803 02:08:49,721 --> 02:08:51,355 in Flint, Michigan, 2804 02:08:51,355 --> 02:08:54,393 there isn't a single one of us back in Flint, 2805 02:08:54,393 --> 02:08:56,729 any of us, including us, 2806 02:08:56,729 --> 02:08:58,797 who ever stopped to think, 2807 02:08:58,796 --> 02:09:00,865 this thing we do for a living, 2808 02:09:00,865 --> 02:09:02,900 the building of automobiles, 2809 02:09:02,900 --> 02:09:05,002 is probably the single biggest reason 2810 02:09:05,002 --> 02:09:06,904 why the polar ice caps are gonna melt 2811 02:09:08,273 --> 02:09:10,175 and end civilization as we know it. 2812 02:09:10,175 --> 02:09:11,210 (laughs) 2813 02:09:11,210 --> 02:09:13,811 There's no connect between, 2814 02:09:13,811 --> 02:09:16,081 "I'm just an assembler on an assembly line, 2815 02:09:16,081 --> 02:09:16,914 building a car," 2816 02:09:16,914 --> 02:09:19,952 which is good for people and society, it moves them around, 2817 02:09:19,952 --> 02:09:22,988 But never stop to think about the larger picture 2818 02:09:22,988 --> 02:09:26,391 and the larger responsibility of what we're doing. 2819 02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:29,027 Ultimately, we have to, as individuals, 2820 02:09:29,027 --> 02:09:32,364 accept responsibility for our collective action 2821 02:09:32,363 --> 02:09:36,167 and the larger harm that it causes 2822 02:09:36,167 --> 02:09:38,970 in our world. 2823 02:09:38,970 --> 02:09:41,005 - [Newscaster] Today the first of two 2824 02:09:41,006 --> 02:09:41,840 historic town hall meetings 2825 02:09:41,840 --> 02:09:44,309 will get under way in Arcata, California. 2826 02:09:44,309 --> 02:09:48,012 61% of Arcatans voted in favor of publicly discussing 2827 02:09:48,012 --> 02:09:49,981 whether democracy is even possible 2828 02:09:49,981 --> 02:09:52,283 when large corporations wield so much wealth 2829 02:09:52,283 --> 02:09:53,786 and power under law. 2830 02:09:53,786 --> 02:09:55,386 They also voted to form a committee 2831 02:09:55,386 --> 02:09:57,355 to ensure democratic control 2832 02:09:57,355 --> 02:09:59,657 over corporations in Arcata. 2833 02:09:59,658 --> 02:10:01,493 - Corporations are not accountable 2834 02:10:01,493 --> 02:10:02,995 to the democratic process. 2835 02:10:02,994 --> 02:10:04,462 That's what this is about. 2836 02:10:04,462 --> 02:10:06,197 I don't want to make decisions 2837 02:10:06,198 --> 02:10:07,800 about everything that goes on in their corporation, 2838 02:10:07,800 --> 02:10:10,769 but I do have a strong belief that 2839 02:10:10,769 --> 02:10:12,771 they need to be held accountable to us. 2840 02:10:12,770 --> 02:10:14,038 (crowd applauds and cheers) 2841 02:10:14,038 --> 02:10:14,872 - [Man] Yeah! 2842 02:10:14,872 --> 02:10:16,974 - If we don't like certain products, 2843 02:10:16,975 --> 02:10:19,378 like Pepsi-Cola or Bank of America, 2844 02:10:19,377 --> 02:10:21,679 if you don't like what they do, don't use 'em. 2845 02:10:21,680 --> 02:10:25,918 That's the way I see the people's power is. 2846 02:10:25,917 --> 02:10:27,118 - You have a lot more money than me. 2847 02:10:27,118 --> 02:10:28,920 You have more votes than I do. 2848 02:10:28,921 --> 02:10:33,292 If we use the model of boycott and voting with your dollars. 2849 02:10:33,292 --> 02:10:35,828 That's an undemocratic situation. 2850 02:10:35,828 --> 02:10:36,962 - What are we afraid of? 2851 02:10:36,962 --> 02:10:39,164 I mean, are all the businesses gonna leave Arcata? 2852 02:10:39,163 --> 02:10:39,997 I don't think so. 2853 02:10:39,997 --> 02:10:43,034 And if they did, we'd deal with it or we'd figure it out 2854 02:10:43,034 --> 02:10:44,001 or we'd do something different. 2855 02:10:44,002 --> 02:10:45,404 We're creative people. 2856 02:10:45,404 --> 02:10:46,872 I just don't see why we're afraid! 2857 02:10:46,872 --> 02:10:47,773 (audience applauding) 2858 02:10:47,773 --> 02:10:49,608 - If you think it's tough making a decision 2859 02:10:49,608 --> 02:10:51,275 where to buy your stuff today, 2860 02:10:51,275 --> 02:10:53,778 how tough to you think it is when there's only one provider, 2861 02:10:53,779 --> 02:10:54,746 and it's the State. 2862 02:10:55,881 --> 02:10:57,182 And by the way, you don't get to have 2863 02:10:57,181 --> 02:11:00,652 this little democracy forum in those communities either. 2864 02:11:00,652 --> 02:11:03,255 - People that say that they fear their government, 2865 02:11:03,255 --> 02:11:05,524 I really hope that they understand 2866 02:11:05,524 --> 02:11:08,126 that they're allowed to participate in their government. 2867 02:11:08,126 --> 02:11:09,561 They're not allowed to participate 2868 02:11:09,560 --> 02:11:11,462 in anything the corporations do. 2869 02:11:11,462 --> 02:11:12,864 So don't fear the government. 2870 02:11:12,864 --> 02:11:15,634 Help it be the government that you won't fear. 2871 02:11:15,634 --> 02:11:17,636 - If this many people around the country would do this 2872 02:11:17,636 --> 02:11:19,605 instead of watching Superbowl Sunday, 2873 02:11:19,604 --> 02:11:21,606 our nation would be controlled by the people, 2874 02:11:21,606 --> 02:11:23,475 not by the corporations. 2875 02:11:23,475 --> 02:11:25,711 - No more chain restaurants in Arcata 2876 02:11:25,711 --> 02:11:27,546 after a long awaited decision. 2877 02:11:27,546 --> 02:11:30,983 (light electronic music) 2878 02:11:45,663 --> 02:11:50,301 - Over the past decade we have been gaining ground. 2879 02:11:50,301 --> 02:11:52,938 And when I say we, I mean ordinary people 2880 02:11:52,938 --> 02:11:56,807 committed to the welfare of all of humanity. 2881 02:11:56,807 --> 02:11:59,211 All people irrespective of gender and class 2882 02:11:59,211 --> 02:12:00,913 and race and religion. 2883 02:12:00,912 --> 02:12:03,114 All species on the planet. 2884 02:12:03,114 --> 02:12:06,117 We managed to take the biggest government 2885 02:12:06,118 --> 02:12:09,388 and one of the largest chemical companies to court 2886 02:12:09,387 --> 02:12:10,521 on the case of neem, 2887 02:12:10,521 --> 02:12:12,157 and win a case against them. 2888 02:12:12,157 --> 02:12:14,458 (shouting in a foreign language) 2889 02:12:14,458 --> 02:12:16,627 - [Vandana] W.R. Grace and the U.S. government's 2890 02:12:16,627 --> 02:12:17,461 patent on neem 2891 02:12:17,462 --> 02:12:19,364 was revoked by a case we brought 2892 02:12:19,363 --> 02:12:21,699 along with the Greens of European Parliament 2893 02:12:21,699 --> 02:12:24,502 and the International Organic Agriculture Movement. 2894 02:12:24,502 --> 02:12:26,203 We won because we worked together. 2895 02:12:30,775 --> 02:12:33,744 - We have overturned nearly 99% 2896 02:12:33,744 --> 02:12:36,148 of the basmati patent of RiceTek, 2897 02:12:36,148 --> 02:12:39,650 again, because we worked as a worldwide coalition, 2898 02:12:39,650 --> 02:12:41,452 old women in Texas, 2899 02:12:41,453 --> 02:12:42,955 scientists in India, 2900 02:12:42,954 --> 02:12:45,423 activists sitting in Vancouver, 2901 02:12:45,423 --> 02:12:47,158 a little basmati action group. 2902 02:12:48,460 --> 02:12:51,697 We stopped the Third World being viewed as the pirate, 2903 02:12:51,697 --> 02:12:54,032 and we showed the corporations were the pirate. 2904 02:13:01,439 --> 02:13:04,076 Look how little it took for Gandhi 2905 02:13:04,076 --> 02:13:06,578 to work against the salt laws of the British, 2906 02:13:06,578 --> 02:13:08,347 where the British decided the way 2907 02:13:08,346 --> 02:13:11,449 they would make their armies and police forces bigger 2908 02:13:11,449 --> 02:13:13,150 is just tax the salt. 2909 02:13:13,150 --> 02:13:15,953 And all that Gandhi did was walk to the beach, 2910 02:13:15,953 --> 02:13:17,555 pick up the salt, 2911 02:13:17,555 --> 02:13:19,056 and say, "Nature gives it for free. 2912 02:13:19,056 --> 02:13:19,890 We need it. 2913 02:13:19,890 --> 02:13:20,891 We've always made it. 2914 02:13:20,891 --> 02:13:22,226 We will violate your laws. 2915 02:13:22,226 --> 02:13:23,894 We will continue to make salt." 2916 02:13:23,895 --> 02:13:27,599 We've had a similar commitment for the last decade in India, 2917 02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:31,269 that any law that makes it illegal to save seed 2918 02:13:31,269 --> 02:13:33,038 is a law not worth following. 2919 02:13:34,905 --> 02:13:35,940 We will violate it 2920 02:13:35,940 --> 02:13:38,943 because saving seed is a duty to the earth 2921 02:13:38,944 --> 02:13:40,412 and to future generations. 2922 02:13:42,213 --> 02:13:45,149 We thought it would really be symbolic. 2923 02:13:45,149 --> 02:13:46,384 It is more than symbolic. 2924 02:13:46,385 --> 02:13:49,755 It is becoming a survival option. 2925 02:13:49,755 --> 02:13:52,623 Farmers who grow their own seeds, 2926 02:13:52,623 --> 02:13:53,824 save their own seeds, 2927 02:13:53,824 --> 02:13:55,059 don't buy pesticides, 2928 02:13:55,060 --> 02:13:57,062 have threefold more incomes 2929 02:13:57,061 --> 02:13:59,663 than farmers who are locked into the chemical treadmill, 2930 02:13:59,663 --> 02:14:01,800 depending on Monsanto and Cargill. 2931 02:14:02,801 --> 02:14:06,471 We have managed to create alternatives that work for people. 2932 02:14:07,372 --> 02:14:11,309 - There are many tools for bringing back community. 2933 02:14:11,309 --> 02:14:12,944 But the importance is not the tools. 2934 02:14:12,944 --> 02:14:15,113 I mean, there's litigation, there's legislation, 2935 02:14:15,113 --> 02:14:17,749 there's direct action, there's education, 2936 02:14:17,748 --> 02:14:20,117 boycotts, social investment. 2937 02:14:20,118 --> 02:14:22,120 There's many, many ways 2938 02:14:22,119 --> 02:14:26,190 to address issues of corporate power. 2939 02:14:26,190 --> 02:14:27,324 But in the final analysis, 2940 02:14:27,324 --> 02:14:29,461 what's really important is the vision. 2941 02:14:29,461 --> 02:14:31,563 You have to have a better story. 2942 02:14:31,563 --> 02:14:34,365 Do I know you well enough to call you fellow plunderers? 2943 02:14:36,001 --> 02:14:40,072 There is not an industrial company on earth, 2944 02:14:40,072 --> 02:14:45,077 not an institution of any kind, not mine, not yours, 2945 02:14:45,409 --> 02:14:48,313 not anyone's that is sustainable. 2946 02:14:50,448 --> 02:14:53,784 I stand convicted by me myself alone, not by anyone else, 2947 02:14:53,784 --> 02:14:56,188 as a plunderer of the earth, 2948 02:14:56,188 --> 02:14:59,591 but not by our civilization's definition. 2949 02:14:59,591 --> 02:15:01,693 By our civilization's definition, 2950 02:15:01,693 --> 02:15:03,161 I'm a captain of industry. 2951 02:15:03,161 --> 02:15:05,730 In the eyes of many a kind of modern day hero. 2952 02:15:05,729 --> 02:15:10,734 But really, really, the first industrial revolution 2953 02:15:11,970 --> 02:15:15,106 is flawed, it is not working. 2954 02:15:15,106 --> 02:15:17,641 It is unsustainable. 2955 02:15:17,641 --> 02:15:19,911 It is the mistake, 2956 02:15:20,878 --> 02:15:23,849 and we must move on to another 2957 02:15:23,849 --> 02:15:26,284 and better industrial revolution, 2958 02:15:26,283 --> 02:15:28,452 and get it right this time. 2959 02:15:29,688 --> 02:15:31,189 When I think of what could be, 2960 02:15:32,090 --> 02:15:36,394 I visualize an organization of people 2961 02:15:37,462 --> 02:15:39,831 committed to a purpose, 2962 02:15:41,065 --> 02:15:44,735 and the purpose is doing no harm. 2963 02:15:44,735 --> 02:15:49,440 I see a company that has severed the umbilical cord to earth 2964 02:15:49,440 --> 02:15:51,275 for its raw materials, 2965 02:15:51,275 --> 02:15:55,346 taking raw materials that have already been extracted 2966 02:15:55,346 --> 02:15:57,615 and using them over and over again, 2967 02:15:57,615 --> 02:16:00,452 driving that process with renewable energy. 2968 02:16:01,752 --> 02:16:02,853 It is our plan, 2969 02:16:02,854 --> 02:16:07,859 it remains our plan to climb Mount Sustainability. 2970 02:16:08,159 --> 02:16:10,862 That mountain that is higher than Everest. 2971 02:16:10,862 --> 02:16:15,233 Infinitely higher than Everest, far more difficult to scale. 2972 02:16:15,233 --> 02:16:19,671 That point at the top symbolizing 2973 02:16:19,671 --> 02:16:21,373 zero footprint. 2974 02:16:21,372 --> 02:16:24,041 (pensive music) 2975 02:16:29,914 --> 02:16:32,149 - So we got to undo a lot of things 2976 02:16:32,149 --> 02:16:34,084 in order to be smart enough to do this 2977 02:16:34,084 --> 02:16:37,321 really dangerous and risky and difficult work, 2978 02:16:38,190 --> 02:16:40,391 the best way that we possibly can 2979 02:16:40,391 --> 02:16:42,960 and that means people coming together and learning 2980 02:16:42,960 --> 02:16:45,663 and a whole lot of stuff that we just don't know 2981 02:16:45,664 --> 02:16:47,097 that has been driven out of the culture, 2982 02:16:47,097 --> 02:16:48,132 driven out of the society, 2983 02:16:48,132 --> 02:16:49,367 driven out of our minds. 2984 02:16:49,367 --> 02:16:51,236 That to me is the most exciting thing. 2985 02:16:51,236 --> 02:16:52,070 That is happening. 2986 02:16:52,069 --> 02:16:54,706 It's happening all over the world now. 2987 02:16:54,706 --> 02:16:59,677 (dramatic music) (speaking foreign language) 2988 02:17:44,456 --> 02:17:47,192 (speaking foreign language) 2989 02:17:47,191 --> 02:17:49,927 (crowd cheering) 2990 02:17:51,629 --> 02:17:55,466 - (speaking foreign language) 2991 02:18:48,386 --> 02:18:52,057 (dramatic orchestral music) 2992 02:19:10,375 --> 02:19:11,376 - Sometimes it surprises me 2993 02:19:11,376 --> 02:19:13,077 how effective you can actually be. 2994 02:19:14,211 --> 02:19:15,180 After we beat the Gap 2995 02:19:15,180 --> 02:19:17,514 I walked past these Gap stores and I looked at them 2996 02:19:17,514 --> 02:19:19,083 and I think, my god there's like 2,000 of these stores 2997 02:19:19,084 --> 02:19:20,085 across the country. 2998 02:19:20,084 --> 02:19:20,918 Look at all that concrete, 2999 02:19:20,918 --> 02:19:22,186 look at the glass, 3000 02:19:22,186 --> 02:19:23,154 look at all the staff people, 3001 02:19:23,154 --> 02:19:24,189 look at all the clothing. 3002 02:19:24,189 --> 02:19:25,323 Look at that power. 3003 02:19:26,191 --> 02:19:28,860 You can still reach these companies. 3004 02:19:28,860 --> 02:19:30,328 You can still have an effect. 3005 02:19:32,063 --> 02:19:35,734 (speaking foreign language) 3006 02:19:59,790 --> 02:20:02,426 - [Richard] We can change the government. 3007 02:20:02,426 --> 02:20:04,962 That's the only way we're gonna redesign, 3008 02:20:04,962 --> 02:20:09,400 rethink, reconstitute what capital and property can do. 3009 02:20:11,403 --> 02:20:13,138 - 15 corporations would like to control 3010 02:20:13,138 --> 02:20:14,773 the conditions of our life, 3011 02:20:14,772 --> 02:20:17,007 and millions of people are saying 3012 02:20:17,007 --> 02:20:18,777 not only do we not need you, 3013 02:20:18,777 --> 02:20:19,943 we can do it better. 3014 02:20:19,943 --> 02:20:23,414 We are going to create systems that nourish the earth 3015 02:20:23,415 --> 02:20:25,049 and nourish human beings. 3016 02:20:25,049 --> 02:20:27,252 And these are not marginal experiments, 3017 02:20:27,252 --> 02:20:30,988 they are the mainstay of large numbers of communities 3018 02:20:30,988 --> 02:20:32,022 across the world. 3019 02:20:32,022 --> 02:20:34,224 That is where the future lies. 3020 02:20:34,225 --> 02:20:35,793 - I've often thought it's very ironic 3021 02:20:35,793 --> 02:20:38,128 that I'm able to do all this and yet what am I on? 3022 02:20:38,129 --> 02:20:39,230 I'm on networks, 3023 02:20:39,229 --> 02:20:40,965 I'm distributed by studios 3024 02:20:40,965 --> 02:20:42,967 that are owned by large corporate entities. 3025 02:20:42,967 --> 02:20:45,069 Now why would they put me out there 3026 02:20:45,936 --> 02:20:49,707 when I am opposed to everything that they stand for? 3027 02:20:49,707 --> 02:20:53,043 And I spend my time on their dime 3028 02:20:53,043 --> 02:20:54,913 opposing what they believe in. 3029 02:20:55,746 --> 02:20:56,581 Okay? 3030 02:20:56,581 --> 02:20:58,450 Well, it's because they don't believe in anything. 3031 02:20:58,450 --> 02:21:00,218 They put me on there because they know 3032 02:21:00,218 --> 02:21:02,921 that there's millions of people that want to see my film 3033 02:21:02,921 --> 02:21:03,922 or watch the TV show, 3034 02:21:03,922 --> 02:21:05,957 and so they're gonna make money. 3035 02:21:05,957 --> 02:21:07,826 And I've been able to get my stuff out there 3036 02:21:07,825 --> 02:21:09,259 because I'm driving my truck 3037 02:21:09,260 --> 02:21:12,430 through this incredible flaw in capitalism. 3038 02:21:12,430 --> 02:21:13,698 The greed flaw. 3039 02:21:13,698 --> 02:21:14,765 The thing that says 3040 02:21:14,765 --> 02:21:17,368 the rich man will sell you the rope to hang himself with 3041 02:21:17,368 --> 02:21:19,470 if he thinks he can make a buck off it. 3042 02:21:19,470 --> 02:21:20,737 Well, I'm the rope. 3043 02:21:20,737 --> 02:21:21,572 I hope. 3044 02:21:21,573 --> 02:21:22,574 I'm part of the rope. 3045 02:21:22,574 --> 02:21:26,144 And they also believe that when people watch my stuff, 3046 02:21:26,144 --> 02:21:28,345 or maybe watch this film, or whatever, 3047 02:21:28,345 --> 02:21:30,781 they think that, "Well, you know what? 3048 02:21:30,781 --> 02:21:32,950 They'll watch this and they won't do anything, 3049 02:21:32,950 --> 02:21:34,751 because we've done such a good job of 3050 02:21:34,752 --> 02:21:37,555 numbing their minds and dumbing them down, 3051 02:21:37,555 --> 02:21:39,023 they'll never affect. 3052 02:21:39,022 --> 02:21:40,357 People aren't going to leave the couch 3053 02:21:40,358 --> 02:21:42,126 and go and do something political." 3054 02:21:42,126 --> 02:21:43,927 They're convinced of that. 3055 02:21:43,927 --> 02:21:45,762 I'm convinced of the opposite. 3056 02:21:45,763 --> 02:21:46,965 I'm convinced that a few people 3057 02:21:46,965 --> 02:21:49,100 are gonna leave this movie theater 3058 02:21:49,100 --> 02:21:52,569 or get up off the couch and go and do something, 3059 02:21:52,569 --> 02:21:56,306 anything to get this world back in our hands. 3060 02:21:56,307 --> 02:21:59,944 (dramatic electronic music) 233847

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