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How's it going?
Hey, Joe.
Long time, good to see you.
Yeah, you too.
So the car was lighting up the sky and the bridge.
So the car was lighting up the sky and the bridge.
here pretty good. About 6 a.m..
Somebody called it in.
We arrived about ten after and after.
It took us a while to get it out.
Really?
Okay, here we go.
Yeah, It definetely Looks like male
Yeah, I think so.
You know, the car door like that could be.
The car was on fire and he was trying
to get out of the front seat or the back seat there.
Didn't quite make it.
They got plenty of warm in there, right?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
the tank didn■t blow? No.
So the fire does not start in the engine, did it?
So the fire does not start in the engine, did it?
It doesn't look like it.
I can't tell you what ignited it,
but I think I can tell you what fueled it.
From what I'm seeing.
Someone's doused the interior of the car with an accelerant.
Oh, yeah? Yeah. Does. Hmm.
Oh, yeah? Yeah. Does. Hmm.
I think that's probably a good guess.
Sense to me.
You guys open this door.
Oh, no, sir.
We just put it out.
Hey, how's it going? Hey.
We got here. Well, thanks.
Tell me about it.
It's an empty gas can in the back.
It's an empty gas can in the back.
There seems like a pretty obvious
source of the accelerant.
Is the box of matches on the ground there.
Is the box of matches on the ground there.
Right under our feet.
Yeah, That's the greater cause of the water.
Don't worry about looking like a homicide.
All right? Yeah.
All right? Yeah.
We're getting the owner off the plate yet
He 62 registered owners.
Phillip Wilkins. Is that.
Phillip Wilkins. Is that.
What? Is that? Right?
Is that the case? Yeah, just me. Like a pool.
Cue keys in the ignition.
No, those are back here in the trunk
Look at that...
The one key. Wow.
The one key. Wow.
The firewall kept that fire contained pretty good.
Yeah.
So I can see it Looks like someone doused the car seats
and maybe this guy with gas from that can, I guess
and maybe this guy with gas from that can, I guess
I got
another scene to attend, so I'll leave it with you guys.
another scene to attend, so I'll leave it with you guys.
You're okay here.
You know the key in the lock like that?
Somebody parked the car, comes around over
Somebody parked the car, comes around over
the truck, takes up out, forgets the key in the lock.
It was the gas can that was back here.
Yeah, well, we should get the chicks to down here.
Yeah, well, we should get the chicks to down here.
Lock it up tight.
Since you guys have probably destroyed any evidence.
It's all over the ground here.
Yeah, well,
you know,
you try to be neat,
but sometimes you just got to get the fire out.
Okay, So curled up in a fetal position,
you see that quite a bit in fires,
muscles, contract,
pulls the arms and fists up into a pugilist position,
and it looks like he's praying.
and it looks like he's praying.
You know, whoever picked this spot did it on purpose.
This car would get a chance to be burned really good before
This car would get a chance to be burned really good before
you guys could come and put it out. This
car makes it pretty good.
Incinerator, if you got to get rid of something, huh?
Yeah.
Thanks.
You know, when I was a kid,
we had one of those incinerators in our basement.
It's always dark down there, and I'd
have to take the garbage down
have to take the garbage down
that incinerator to sit in there.
That little pilot
laying under it, burning up the garbage in whoosh
laying under it, burning up the garbage in whoosh
and it go up just like it was evening.
And we were going through the warehouse with the dogs
sniffing for dope, the dogs and all that.
No, she's only good for adult use me.
No, she's only good for adult use me.
You could smell it.
Yeah, I knew what it was.
Found a stow away in a container before Now.
It's been out here for a couple of days
waiting for us to get down here and give a clearing. Right.
waiting for us to get down here and give a clearing. Right.
Smell it now.
Hey, what do we got
there
now I didn't check her for I.D.
or anything. I'm sorry.
I think I'll do is I'll phone that forensics unit,
come down here, and I can just pick the whole thing right up,
It's definitely wrong.
I want the paperwork,
shipping, billing, all that I need that
shipping, billing, all that I need that
it got shipped out of Portland, Oregon.
Oh, yeah. I need to see the paperwork.
The warehouse keepers got to get this office
The warehouse keepers got to get this office
She■s just a kid.
I can't say for certain
if he was doused with an accelerant set on fire,
but that's most likely what happened.
We think the accelerant was gasoline.
We found a can in the back there.
Yeah, it could be gas.
Yeah, it could be gas.
I'll be able to tell you for sure when I get a report
on his clothes back from the lab.
Any way of knowing if he was still alive when he got on fire?
Any way of knowing if he was still alive when he got on fire?
Well, I'm not see any signs of trauma other than the burning.
So he might've been alive? Yeah.
I may be able to tell you
I may be able to tell you
after I've had a look at the lung tissue,
but you wanna take a look at this?
It was on his wrists. It was right roof. Look at that.
It was on his wrists. It was right roof. Look at that.
So we like that nylon stuff.
And yellow probably proves something.
Burn to his skin.
It looks like it could have been on both wrists and his ankles.
It was tied up and burnt alive.
Pretty unpleasant ending for this one.
Have we got an identity
where the car was registered to a guy named Phillip Wilkins?
But who this guy is? We don't know.
We couldn't get any idea off him.
Well, whoever
he is, he's not wearing his dentures,
so finding him that way is not happening.
He's not wearing his teeth.
No, of course he could fallen out during the fire.
I better call the guy to the garage.
I better call the guy to the garage.
Don't you keep an eye out for those.
Let us know when the autopsy report is finished.
Were you happy with the innocent? Yeah. You
want to do something special for dinner tonight?
Maybe just pick up.
Maybe just pick up.
Nice. Well, what do you care?
I might be a little late getting home from work
because I stopped by the insurance garage.
Well, what happened Now?
It looks like some kids or somebody
took a key to the side of my car.
I■ll get us a nice bottle of red, yeah?
Yeah, right.
Yeah, right.
And Phil's going away.
The music is going to collect his mail.
He didn't ask.
He didn't ask.
So does Mr. Wilkins go away a lot?
Reno, Vegas, Once or twice a year.
But it was the last time you saw him.
The day before yesterday.
Passed him in the hall on the way out.
You say anything about where he was going?
You say anything about where he was going?
No, just packed and went
Was he alone when he left here?
Yeah, Just him...
Yeah, Just him...
Know what Mr. Wilkins does for a living?
Is a professional pool player good enough to earn a living?
I guess you got a girlfriend hanging around? a family?
Anybody like that?
No, that I know of.
No, that I know of.
There was a woman I used to see him with,
but not for a couple of months.
You know this woman's name?
No. She works at one of the building places I heard him say.
Anyway, here we go.
It's okay.
We got it from here.
Thanks a lot.
Okay.
I found that cute case in the car.
That fits with the car belonging to Wilkins.
That fits with the car belonging to Wilkins.
Yeah.
It's open...
There's somebody been in here, Mr. Wilkins.
Need some tidy up lessons.
What does that look like? Blood.
I wish for once if somebody's going to kill somebody,
that they would do it in one spot,
not just a little bit on this end of town.
A little bit on the other end of the town.
You know what I mean? Just like make up your mind.
You know what I mean? Just like make up your mind.
Remember memo, you. Yeah.
Keep your crime scene contained.
Looks like mostly bills on the floor here.
Hey, look who we got here.
Hey, look who we got here.
Gee, there's no wallet in the clothing.
Doesn't appear to have anything at all in her pocket.
Doesn't appear to have anything at all in her pocket.
All these nails, they're all
broken and torn, extensive bleeding underneath the nails.
broken and torn, extensive bleeding underneath the nails.
Well, it matches up
with some scratches on the inside of the truck.
You can take a look.
You can take a look.
Oh, yeah.
She's trying to get out, maybe claw her way out.
So that's all the stuff that was under with her?
Yeah, that's
where she sure an apartment, water, candy wrappers.
where she sure an apartment, water, candy wrappers.
Hey, you know, you can't get that brand in Canada.
That's nuts. And car lot.
That's nuts. And car lot.
That was a treat When I used to go to the States as a kid.
I used to smuggle them back.
Yeah, Austrian bottle.
Yeah, Austrian bottle.
So she really made a plan
on a trip here where something went wrong.
Gateway is empty, and it's definitely light.
Well, assuming there's no problem with the tank,
I guess if you were careful and concerned
that oxygen would last you eight, 10 hours,
you know,
so she obviously expected to be out of there before that.
so she obviously expected to be out of there before that.
Could run out. Guaranteed.
Now, man, okay.
She lost herself in the trunk. She's got her food,
she's got her water, she's got her air.
she's got her water, she's got her air.
And what she expects is to arrive
safely somewhere, which is here, Vancouver.
And for someone to meet her,
And for someone to meet her,
I guess, and arrive, you're safe and sound.
And that's it
Sounds to me like she got into this
voluntarily of her own free will.
voluntarily of her own free will.
Never shouldn't lock herself in this truck. Did she?
And then nobody showed up to let her out.
Okay.
But unless autopsy tells me there's some evidence of
foul play, this looks like it's tipping your way.
Thanks, Patricia. Thanks a lot.
So this is what you are Houdini going, huh?
Yeah, Like one of those Elvis impersonators.
That doesn't quite work.
Yeah, but it's just
one of those Elvis impersonator like an Elvis.
one of those Elvis impersonator like an Elvis.
No, no, I just got a loose filling of.
Dr. Mears Please.
Dr. Mears Please.
Leo Shannon, I'm calling about a patient.
My wife, Lana.
Thanks for
Thanks for
all. Hi, Dr. Mears.
Thanks for taking the call.
Oh, no, no, I'm fine.
Oh, no, no, I'm fine.
I'm fine.
I'm just a little concerned about Nana.
No, I don't think she's getting any worse.
I mean, she still is pretty confused
about knowing who some people are.
about knowing who some people are.
It's just that she's got a
all of a sudden a ton of energy, like she's ten years younger
and I'm having a little trouble keeping up with her.
no, she's
she's got this new thing where she wants to go
walking in the middle of the night.
And I can't let her go out alone.
And I can't let her go out alone.
It's just I come home at night and I find her waiting for me,
It's just I come home at night and I find her waiting for me,
you know, just in the window, waiting.
And I can't stand knowing that she needs me like that.
And I can't stand knowing that she needs me like that.
Look, I'm going to have to call you back, okay?
Look, I'm going to have to call you back, okay?
Got a bit of an emergency in here.
Okay?
Okay.
Okay.
In our interview?
In our interview?
Yeah, fine.
So, according to your bill of lading here...
So, according to your bill of lading here...
Mr. Grasso, you were.
This trunk was part of a load you picked up in Portland,
Oregon, at 5:00 in the morning on Friday. Right?
Oregon, at 5:00 in the morning on Friday. Right?
Right, Right.
Now, you're supposed to arrive in Vancouver with this load
by noon on Friday.
But it says here you didn't check into that binding
warehouse until after 1:00 in the morning.
What happened? That's 13 hours late.
What happened? That's 13 hours late.
Yeah, it happens like that.
Sometimes it doesn't.
What would you mind explain to my associate and myself
What would you mind explain to my associate and myself
how it is?
It happened that way this time.
Okay, well, let's see.
First of all, I'm pulling out of the yard
there in Portland, and right away
I have this hydraulic problem, so I got to change rakes.
Then I get onto the I-5 and I run into this roadblock
Then I get onto the I-5 and I run into this roadblock
because this tractor
trailer is overturned and there's a pile of high five.
I've been cutting a few of those in my time.
I've been cutting a few of those in my time.
Yeah, 3 hours lost there.
So I hit Seattle and I pull off the freeway for dinner.
Then I can't get back onto the freeway
because of construction.
It's all structural.
So the way around that, now it's rush hour.
So the way around that, now it's rush hour.
So I crawl through that and I get to the way in.
There's a line up there.
I finally hit the border and traffic's jammed up
I finally hit the border and traffic's jammed up
all the way to Blaine, the border.
I can be a bitch.
How long at the border? Forever.
How long at the border? Forever.
Which is how a seven hour trip takes 20 hours.
Are we done here?
Are we done?
Are we done? Yeah, we're done.
Thanks for coming back. Right.
Thanks for coming back. Right.
You know, I just put a two hour delay
on my return trip coming in here.
You see what I mean?
Like I said, thanks.
Like I said, thanks.
So, what did the shipping bill say about the arrival?
Time was guaranteed delivery by 6:00 pm Friday.
Right.
So she was
counting on arriving in time to get out of the trunk.
Time is everything.
She couldn't get out by herself.
Houdini could do it.
In a matter of fact, it did have an act involving a trunk.
We do have He'd have himself all tied up
and chained up in that trunk and then presto like that
and chained up in that trunk and then presto like that
He's out of there.
That's why he went to the more dangerous elements
you add added to his act, because it looked too easy.
you add added to his act, because it looked too easy.
So he submerged herself in water.
Now he's buried alive. Great.
Houdini was my absolute hero when I was a boy.
If I ever tell you that it's a matter of fact,
the school needs to say what are going to be when you grow up.
the school needs to say what are going to be when you grow up.
Time and again I used to go escape artist.
No kidding.
Yeah, that's true, silly.
Well, there's still time.
Well, there's still time.
He making fun of Houdini.
He making fun of Houdini.
Oh, hello.
Oh, hello.
I'm from the coroner's service, sir. Hi.
How can I help you?
Are you Mr. Darryl Morris? Oh, right.
And were you expecting a delivery from Nolan
moving his storage, by any chance? No indication.
moving his storage, by any chance? No indication.
Oh, you know anybody down in Portland, Oregon?
Portland Motel and all, huh?
Portland Motel and all, huh?
Do you know this woman, sir?
Know who she is?
Know who she is?
Do you live alone?
Do you still work?
Do you still work?
I work
So when you go to work or go out during the day?
Well, yeah, I am.
What's all this about?
When I have a few questions
tomorrow, if I come inside and ask them? Sure!.
Come on. Thanks.
Sunny matched up the false teeth
we found in Wilkins apartment with the victim.
Definitely felt Wilkins as the burn man.
Definitely felt Wilkins as the burn man.
And we also found his blood on the apartment floor.
So you're thinking that Wilkins grabbed from his apartment,
So you're thinking that Wilkins grabbed from his apartment,
then you ain't going to happen that way.
Yeah, well, considering how he ended up burned with his car,
I think we can assume that Mr.
Wilkins is in some kind of trouble.
Well, we know he had money problems.
We found bank statements, bills, mostly overdue
We found bank statements, bills, mostly overdue
collection agency threats.
I didn't have a pot to pitch in,
and they were trying to take that away from him.
He should have just sent him a pound of flesh.
They used to come after my dad, handed him some fierce.
Well, I think we can
eliminate the collection agencies as a suspect.
What else?
Family, friends.
What do they have to say about him? About?
Supposedly he had a girlfriend some time ago.
Supposedly he had a girlfriend some time ago.
She might know something. We're tracking her down.
Oh, where are we on the actual fire?
Any forensically objects? Still working on the car.
Any forensically objects? Still working on the car.
Okay, well, let me know. Okay.
So you settling in okay?
Yes. Thank you.
I've just been going over the young lady
who died in the trunk.
Yeah.
Are you absolutely sure she died here in the West?
Are you absolutely sure she died here in the West?
Oh, I'm pretty sure she died here,
because, I mean, if she died south of the border,
then she's, in fact, that we don't know.
She died south of the border.
We think that she died up here in the warehouse.
So she had enough oxygen with her.
So she had enough oxygen with her.
For how long?
Thanks, 8 to 10 hours.
And the trip take seven.
Except in her case, where the trip took 20 hours, correct?
Well, yeah, yeah, give or take.
And according to this bill of lading,
she was already in the warehouse in Portland.
she was already in the warehouse in Portland.
So the question is,
how long was she sitting there
before they loaded onto the truck?
before they loaded onto the truck?
So the idea here is that you would have preferred
her to have died in the United States.
I prefer not to have died at all.
But here she is. And here we are.
So what is all this is like part of your cost
cutting mandate or something? I understand.
No, this is all part of focusing
our energy very best serves our interests. Meaning what?
I've already ordered the autopsies. No big savings there.
I've already ordered the autopsies. No big savings there.
Meaning you can pull the plug in your investigation,
ship her back.
Ship her back. You know what?
Ship her back. You know what?
I could save you a few more bucks
if I can send you back in the same box she arrives.
if I can send you back in the same box she arrives.
It was likely to do that.
No. I'd like you to call the coroner in Portland
and tell them to expect a body.
Okay.
Back over the border. She go.
Thank you.
Right.
Found nine matchsticks in the back seat areas.
Some on the seat itself and some of the floorboards.
And they're all carbonized by the fire.
These would be the matches that started the fire.
I know.
That's the interesting part, that it took eight
or so of these to ignite the fire.
All right. So where's this going?
Well, I'm not sure,
but it was a box of wood matches outside the car as well.
Yeah, that's right.
And those matches came from this match box.
Oh, good.
You get prints off the matchbox now?
Nothing recognizable, but you can see where
I'm getting that. You know what?
I'll somebody have to stand outside
the car, ignite matches and toss them in to the fire.
the car, ignite matches and toss them in to the fire.
Good.
Okay, so. So wet gas don't like
the fumes at night.
And even so, you got to get the right mixture
of air and fumes to get ignition now.
Okay, So you want to show me how far you can throw a match
Okay, So you want to show me how far you can throw a match
right here? Sure.
Not over here.
My time
Stand about there.
About eight, ten feet away.
Go ahead.
Toss it.
Toss it.
Okay. Hey, you got to get a little closer there.
All right, Feet.
All right, Feet.
Good. Now try it with a lit match.
Light it up now
and try to get a closer
watch.
Now, remember, we're counting on a still night
with no win.
with no win.
Kaboom! Okay, So?
So I'm saying
if you're standing this close, you just got burn it.
if you're standing this close, you just got burn it.
Well, that's obvious, right? Right.
So maybe some hospital
I can remember some guy coming in that morning
complaining they use too much barbecue
fluids, grilling up his breakfast.
fluids, grilling up his breakfast.
They don't want her.
Who doesn't want him?
Portland, Whodini, girl in the trunk.
Portland, Whodini, girl in the trunk.
They don't want her by the air.
By their accounts, she died here.
All right, I'll look into it.
All right, I'll look into it.
Did she have any I.D.? No.
But with your permission,
I would like to deliver the trunk.
How do you mean?
How do you mean?
Well, if I deliver the trunk
to the address, number of lady will stick a uniform on it.
You see who picked it up.
You see who picked it up.
But as long as
the body stays in the morgue, I have no objection.
All right.
Thank you.
He was a regular, I should say.
When was the last time you saw him?
Last time I saw Phil was night before last.
He was playing at a table down there.
What was your relationship with him?
Come back when my husband's
Come back when my husband's
not standing behind me and I'll tell you.
Okay.
So you saw the night before last.
Remember what time it was?
Remember what time it was?
Bobby, Let's go.
Now, Remember what time Phil was in the other night?
Who's asking? Vancouver Homicide.
We're investigating the death of Phil Wilkins.
Oh, yeah. Okay. That's about midnight.
Oh, yeah. Okay. That's about midnight.
A little before and maybe a little later.
Was he in a game?
Yeah, I think he was tapped out. Wrong.
Yeah, I think he was tapped out. Wrong.
So we left mention where he was headed after that?
Not to me.
You know, he's a regular player here, though, was he?
You know, he's a regular player here, though, was he?
Oh, yeah. Every day.
He likes the action here.
Oh, yeah?
What kind of action would that be?
What kind of action would that be?
A nine ball hustle.
A few games, $20 games, mostly. Nothing big time.
I think he used to be a player then, but according to him,
I didn't think he had that hot again kind of guy.
Was Phil okay, this is Phil.
Was Phil okay, this is Phil.
You say you used to drive a delivery truck.
He'll tell you he used to drive an 18 wheeler.
He say, I didn't know you were short order cook.
He say, I didn't know you were short order cook.
He'll tell you about being a chef in some fancy hotel.
You know, that kind of guy always did your job
You know, that kind of guy always did your job
bigger and better.
So the game the other night, everything turned on.
The rumor that he lost, like I said, sort of dispute over
anything like that.
Nothing that I know.
What about the guy he was playing with?
What do you know about him, Jimmy?
Something young kid. Pretty good. Stay.
You know where we could find?
Yeah.
$50 net number two table over there.
And he'll be here in about 5 minutes.
And he'll be here in about 5 minutes.
Mr. Step.
Mr. Davis, I thought it was you.
Nice to see you.
How you maken out?
Holden on...
Holden on...
Okay,
So what can I do for you? See?
To come to see me, right?
Yeah.
I was hoping I could get a copy of your autopsy
findings on my daughter's death.
Yeah, Okay.
Yeah, Okay.
I don't see any reason why not.
Any particular thing you're looking for?
I can help you with.
I can help you with.
It's just not sitting right with me
that it was ruled an accidental death.
I mean, all this business about her being attacked,
skating on cocaine
and not being able to get out of the house
because of the smoke, you know,
because of the smoke, you know,
the smoke in that house, it's just not that significant.
I know, Mr. Seven.
I know.
Look, I'm going to do this for you
because I like I'm going to get you every file
because I like I'm going to get you every file
the coroner's service has on your daughter's death.
If you do one little thing for me in return,
if I can, it's all I ask you.
Go and see the grief counselor.
I appreciate that. Okay. I'll take that as a yes.
How long can I see it?
For a second.
Why are you coming with me?
I'll get my associate to help us out.
We'll get you everything we have.
I retrieve some stuff from the trunk of the car.
I thought you guys better take a look.
We got rope falling from a can.
We just bind your victim?
I think we got about four yards of it coiled up
I think we got about four yards of it coiled up
the price tag was still on it
But I was unable to make out this door.
So maybe this rope was bought
specifically for the abduction
specifically for the abduction
OK...So that means what?
Did they go to the guy's apartment,
pick him up,
take him down in his own car, drive him over there,
take him down in his own car, drive him over there,
spark them on fire, and then take off again.
It seems like two guys, two vehicles, two vehicles.
But what, they bring the rope in this car,
there's there's there's no evidence of a second
vehicle at the scene,
but maybe they could've left on foot,
had the other vehicles there somewhere else.
What else you got?
I found his wallet and in the front seat,
they could have fell down while he was driving.
they could have fell down while he was driving.
So I'll burn anything we can use in there at all.
Know there's no cash or credit cards,
but I found his ATM card for his bank,
but I found his ATM card for his bank,
and I was able to get the bank account number.
I'm okay. Thanks.
Very.
Yeah.
Australia. Yeah.
I will swing by and pick up
how much I just gave you Money.
how much I just gave you Money.
$100. Helen.
Well, sweetheart, you know, $100.
I don't think I have anywhere like 100.
I got $80 here. Okay?
I just went to Helen.
I just went to Helen.
Oh, hang on.
I Gabriella's going to Seattle
for the weekend, and she's a little short,
and let me 20 bucks and I can give her a hundred.
Yeah, okay. She says yes.
Just come by and pick it up.
I'll give it to Helen, then I'll get you back.
Now, listen, get
quick.
I'm the bonding warehouse called
What's the trunk?
Yeah, I want you down there.
We searched the whole warehouse.
This one must have got separated
and shuffled to the back somehow.
Did you open it this time to not in touch at this time.
Just recognize that smell again.
Okay. That's good.
Okay. That's good.
They ship the same address to
10 minutes max
before Bobby gets back and start telling me where I am.
What? What happened to Phil?
What? What happened to Phil?
What happened between you and Phil?
We had a whole thing going on.
We had a whole thing going on.
I haven't had a chance to grieve.
You know, I've been afraid to say anything like.
You know, I've been afraid to say anything like.
Like Phil or anything.
your husband know about your little thing with Phil,
your husband know about your little thing with Phil,
sometimes he acted like he did.
We get all paranoid? I don't know.
He stops everyone.
He thinks I'm having affairs with Absolutely everybody.
He thinks I'm having affairs with Absolutely everybody.
This is the one you have it, right?
Yeah, that's the one.
Yeah, that's the one.
Did you see Phil after he left the pool hall other night?
No. You know, that was the last time I saw him.
Where was Bobby?
He went home early earlier than me.
I closed up around one.
I closed up around one.
Was he at home when you got home?
No, he came home pretty late.
Did he say where he was? No. He sometimes goes to card games.
Did he say where he was? No. He sometimes goes to card games.
Sometimes he just drives around, gets insomnia.
You suspect your husband in Phil's death?
No, I.
No, I.
I just knew that you guys would be digging into Phil's life.
And pretty soon you discover our fling.
And I didn't want that to come up to my husband,
And I didn't want that to come up to my husband,
because we have a pretty good thing going on.
Despite the thing with Phil in me.
Yeah, well, right there,
we got a pretty good reason for Phil's murder.
A jealous husband.
Which you're sure as hell seems to be.
I was hoping you could avoid that coming out.
I was hoping you could avoid that coming out.
Well, we're going to need to interview
your husband, whether you like it or not.
God, I feel sick.
You know, Phil had a lot of debts.
You know,
he owed money all over again to, you know, who he owed.
he owed money all over again to, you know, who he owed.
Exactly What he played all over town, mostly hosting $20 games.
But that can add up.
Maybe somebody got mad
Maybe somebody got mad
because he hustled them, like, who would get mad?
Well, there was a guy that night, Jimmy.
I know they were probably
I know they were probably
playing for more money than Phil should have been playing for.
You're going to need to let us know when Jimmy comes in again.
We got to talk to him. Okay.
We got to talk to him. Okay.
I don't really think Jimmy did it. Please.
That's just a for me to know if he doesn't have to know.
Yeah, we understand that.
But you better be ready to come clean with your husband,
because we're going to be asking
him some questions, and probably sooner than later.
How is this going to be? Morning?
Will you just let me know?
Because I don't want to be there when he finds out
Because I don't want to be there when he finds out
Do I look like I■ve been crying?
Well have been crying.
God, I need eye drops.
Get me up to the drugstore, Would you please?
Get me up to the drugstore, Would you please?
Hey, where were you?
I just went up to get some cream.
I ran out.
I ran out.
Okay. Déja vu here.
Oh, the oxygen bottle.
Oh, the oxygen bottle.
You know,
empty... candy wrapper.
And bottle.
Water bottle.
Yeah,
Everything looks the same,
Everything looks the same,
except you got these
phony latches on the outside.
Yeah, And
Yeah, And
that's what tripped over somehow.
Helen
Hey...you, Jimmy?
Uh huh.
You got a minute to talk about Phil Wilkins?
You got a minute to talk about Phil Wilkins?
Yeah, sure.
I understand you played him the other night.
Well, Fielding, who ended up owing who how much?
Well, Fielding, who ended up owing who how much?
he was trying to get back on top.
He had a running tally.
Yeah. How much was he into you for?
Yeah. How much was he into you for?
$7,000.
You little worried about collecting on that?
a little
That's a lot of games.
You got to win at $20.
I think he was more worried than I was.
I think he was more worried than I was.
Why is that?
Well, Vancouver
is an a small town that we hustling 9 ball...
You got a reputation for stiffing?
Definitely want to play for big money go to work.
You figure that's the situation. Phil got himself into.
You figure that's the situation. Phil got himself into.
Yeah I don't feel guys I won't play him anymore.
It was having to go to the suburbs
just to get his grocery money.
just to get his grocery money.
Do you have any women friends you know about?
If he did, I don't think they had anything
to do with the killing.
to do with the killing.
Why would you say that?
Phil was a hustler.
If he was hustling you, you would know it.
Know what I'm saying
you think Phil could have gotten himself into a bad game where
somebody might have wanted to kill him?
Maybe he made somebody mad.
People like to be hussled
People like to be hussled
I don't do anything except drive truck.
Come on.
So nobody arranged for you
to make a special pickup of these trucks?
They were in the rig when I picked it up.
I mean, they had to have been in the rig when I picked it up.
So you're sticking to the same story
then, about what happened in the same story?
Yeah, sticking to it. Same story.
Okay. Okay.
You saw nothing, Hankie.
Nobody hanging around that truck down there.
And when he got up here to Canada,
And when he got up here to Canada,
nobody approached a truck or any stops along the way.
Nobody suspicious? No, sir.
Nobody suspicious? No, sir.
No, sir.
Well, you're pretty accurate
with your estimation of the times involved. Uh huh, yeah.
What if I were to suggest that you were involved
in people smuggling on a regular basis?
I'd have to say you were wrong.
I'd have to say you were wrong.
I would never do anything like that.
I don't even like to put my cat in a cage. Cat?
Cat?
And there's Phil 10 minutes before
And there's Phil 10 minutes before
midnight at the ATM, taking out his limit.
500 bucks
A couple more guys get out of there.
I still.
There's Phil again
at 3 minutes after midnight, taking out his limit again.
I don't see anybody holding a gun to his head.
Maybe when he left Jessica's Joint looking for a new game.
Maybe when he left Jessica's Joint looking for a new game.
Maybe we should be looking at Jessica's old man.
I mean, she thought she was being so discreet.
His friend Jimmy thought Phil was being so discreet.
His friend Jimmy thought Phil was being so discreet.
Maybe they were all being too damn discreet.
You know, sometimes
when two people act so cool to each other
that they don't know the other one exists,
that could be a sign.
I'm going to go call Jessica.
Tell her we■ll swing by to talk to the old man.
Yeah.
Oh, hello. You again. Again.
Nobody came for the trunk.
Nobody came for the trunk.
No, I know. I can see that. Well, we'll take care of that.
Oh, it's fun to ask you if you might recognize this
Oh, it's fun to ask you if you might recognize this
young man.
Nah, have some more bad luck did you?
Nah, have some more bad luck did you?
So you
you can identify either of these two people at all.
you can identify either of these two people at all.
You don't know who might have sent you
a couple of trunks from Portland, Oregon.
No sir.
Don't, certainly don■t
I just remember
what Phil told me about two days before he died.
And what's out here?
He asked me to help work an insurance scam.
He asked me to help work an insurance scam.
I asked him what the problem was,
and he said he needed an extra money
to get him through the tight spot.
You kind of scam?
You kind of scam?
he didn■t say.
He said you're in or out.
He's careful that way.
Yeah.
So what you say?
I said ■no, I wouldn■t do it■
You should ask somebody else.
You should ask somebody else.
He just thought about it for a while, nodded
his head, said he was sorry
for asking, and said maybe he'd ask Dave.
Who's Dave?
Well, the only Dave I can think of
is a Dave who plays over at the hall
in Hastings. Pretty good game. Tough to get in. Okay.
in Hastings. Pretty good game. Tough to get in. Okay.
Why didn't you tell us this before?
Well, I just remember.
Honestly, I just remember.
Honestly, I just remember.
Look, I know it just looks like I'm trying
to get you to not talk to Bobby, but really,
you don't have to talk to me, do you ever do?
And he had enough oxygen with him. For how long?
And he had enough oxygen with him. For how long?
8 to 10 hours,
just like her.
So I'm kind of in a quandary here.
What to do? Should I call Portland's?
See if I can coerce them into taking the two
No, that won't be necessary.
No, that won't be necessary.
Thank you.
Carry on.
The night he died, he called me, Came over here.
As a matter of fact, he offered me
a grand on the tiny opening pool debt?.
Yeah, that's right.
He wanted to get a chairman upstairs here
and needed my okay to get in because
nobody would let him play anymore in the big games.
You wouldn't give him the. Okay.
It was just me, all right?
I mean, I like Phil.
He's a good guy, but
I can't take him into a game where I got to make some money.
I can't take him into a game where I got to make some money.
I mean, what if it ends up him and me in the shootout?
He already owes me. Can't pay me.
I'm working for nothing.
No. Where he went after he left you here or what?
No, I don't.
No, I don't.
He offered me an IOU.
I said no, I already got one he can't come up on.
So he said he'd give me his insurance claim.
So he said he'd give me his insurance claim.
What do you mean by that?
Well, he was talking about stealing his own car
Well, he was talking about stealing his own car
for the insurance.
Something. I don't know. He had it all worked out.
He said it was the perfect scam.
Yeah, what■d you say to that?
I said, okay, do whatever,
but I can't let you in the tournament.
I mean, I got to eat.
I mean, I got to eat.
So, how■d he die?
So, how■d he die?
Do you have ID or.
No, no, not yet.
No, no, not yet.
What?
There's something I want you to take a look
There's something I want you to take a look
at it.
Go ahead.
I think they are brother and sister,
brother and sister.
Oh, boy.
I see what you mean.
I see what you mean.
Brother and sister. Now, wow.
You want me to do the test?
Yeah, I found this.
The bottom of the trunk is just a straight
piece of electrical wire. Readily available anywhere.
Any hardware store scrap from a construction site.
Any hardware store scrap from a construction site.
So he's inside the trunk,
and he somehow loses the wire and it falls
and he somehow loses the wire and it falls
to the bottom of the trunk, and he can't get a hold of it.
When it was pressed up in his butt
but he might not have been able to reach it. Yeah.
but he might not have been able to reach it. Yeah.
Because he's he's lost oxygen, so he's disoriented.
Okay.
Whatever.
Whatever.
So that's how this works.
You got these two phony latches here and outside.
They look legit, but they don't do anything.
They look legit, but they don't do anything.
The real latches holding the chocolate closed are inside.
Here we can get a hold of.
Except for what?
About the padlock latch in the front?
And that's an illusion, too. Yeah.
You see the whole world in here?
Oh, yeah.
When you take the wire,
we showed up through the hole and pop the latch on the lock.
And that releases
And that releases
a latch with the padlock and, you know, match these two
soft on the left.
Of course, unless the something piled on top of it.
Of course, unless the something piled on top of it.
Exactly. It's in the back of the truck.
There's stuff loaded on top more than likely.
Right? Right.
So you tried it?
Yeah, I tried it.
It got inside Pops like a car door. So?
It got inside Pops like a car door. So?
So saw this guy and his girl want to get the hell
out of the country?
They decide on Canada, so they climb into the trucks,
get delivered to the warehouse like that.
This guy in this trunk, he's
the one I'm supposed to get out
first, and then the other one out... They■re brother and siste
That's what we think. Oh, no. Identify him.
That's what we think. Oh, no. Identify him.
No, no, no. No names.
Probably from Mexico.
I almost made it.
Almost made it...
So let's say
I want to sell the insurance company on the car theft, right?
I decide to steal the car myself, burn it,
I decide to steal the car myself, burn it,
and concoct a story about being attacked in my own place,
taken down to a bank machine, forced to withdraw money
taken down to a bank machine, forced to withdraw money
and driven off into the middle of nowhere, tied up
gasoline poured all over me and I'm sparked on fire.
gasoline poured all over me and I'm sparked on fire.
Except I get away right in the nick of time
right before the whole car goes up,
including all the evidence of the fictitious gang and the
including all the evidence of the fictitious gang and the
kidnaping.
Well, that's a stretch, but okay,
he tied himself up and then what?
he tied himself up and then what?
so then he's
down there under the bridge right where we found him.
He gets out of the car, comes around the back
into the trunk, pulls out the rope and the gas.
Yeah.
Except he leaves the keys in the trunk
because, I don't know, maybe he forgets
because, I don't know, maybe he forgets
and he goes up back to the side of the car, ties himself up.
Then he's pouring gasoline all over the inside of the car.
Then he's pouring gasoline all over the inside of the car.
Like you said, he's got the matches,
but the car won't light up
and he's hogtied because he wants to be tied up
in case anybody comes to quick fire.
Yeah, right.
So he's hopping in, tossing matches,
getting closer, hopping in, toss matches. Finally he goes up,
getting closer, hopping in, toss matches. Finally he goes up,
burns him right down to a crisp on the spot.
They want to find.
Yeah, Yeah.
That plays. Good.
not a homicide accidental.
What?
What does pathology have to say?
They're buying it.
Accidental self-immolation looks like.
Accidental self-immolation looks like.
Okay, we're going to kick this one over to Davinci
Yeah, Yeah.
Make sure the press knows we're about the case, not him.
Make sure the press knows we're about the case, not him.
He■s a bit of a press hound
Hey, we don't mind taking credit for one.
We deserve it.
We deserve it.
By the way, RCMP found your car.
Oh, yeah? Yeah.
Ran out of gas halfway up the Alaska Highway.
Any sign of Peter Mason?
No. Pulled a vanishing act.
No. Pulled a vanishing act.
They were going to let go of that one.
That one is going to go on our record.
that one is going to come back and bite us in the ass
that be going on your record, Leo,
and your ass is going to get bit
You were driving, remember? Remember?
Oh, you're driving now.
You're driving now.
You're driving now.
Oh, hello, Mr. Morrison. Hi.
I'm sorry about this, but I have a couple more questions.
We're really having a hell of
a time identifying these two people.
And you can. Oh, great.
And you can. Oh, great.
Now, what I wanted to ask you was,
in the past 15 or 20 years ago,
were you ever in Mexico or Latin America?
were you ever in Mexico or Latin America?
Oh, many times.
I worked on the oil rigs.
I was a driller. Wow.
So possible that you had a relationship
with anybody down there that might know your address
Well, there
were a couple of women, you know, Mexicans.
were a couple of women, you know, Mexicans.
That was nearly 20 years ago.
All right. Well,
All right. Well,
is it possible then you had a relationship
that you might have conceived a child?
Oh, this may be your children here.
Did you ever have a relationship?
They might have conceived a kid. Oh,
They might have conceived a kid. Oh,
my God.
my God.
I don■t think so...
No, definitely not...
No, definitely not...
Mr. Morris, They have what's called DNA testing.
You're one blood sample away from proving this or not.
You're one blood sample away from proving this or not.
You're going to make me take a paternity test.
Of course I am.
But you can make me do that
oh, I can
No, no.
You don't bet your house on that, sir.
Well, yeah.
Oh, sure. Slam the door.
Slamming the door is not going to resolve this thing, Mr.
Slamming the door is not going to resolve this thing, Mr.
Morris, there's no point running away.
Look, it's possible you have one.
Maybe two dead children here,
Maybe two dead children here,
sir. You may have slid.
I'm bringing these kids up. You're not going to slide.
I'm putting them under.
I'm putting them under.
Hello. Hi.
Hello. Hi.
Hi.
nine ball snooker has all the little colored balls.
nine ball snooker has all the little colored balls.
I can't keep Track them.
Which table?
Table Threes.
Open. Great. Thanks.
It was gone.
I just came by for game
to find out what happened to Phil accidentally.
One second. Hi.
One second. Hi.
Oh, hi. How are you?
Fine.
Is a Gabriella your panelist.
Is a Gabriella your panelist.
Gabriella? No, she's away for the weekend.
I can't believe she must have forgotten. Totally.
I can't believe she must have forgotten. Totally.
Oh, you're kidding me.
Oh, my God. I'm so sorry.
Oh, no, no, don't worry about it. It's okay.
No, it's definitely not all right.
No, it's really not a big deal. Can I offer you some deal?
I got pizza. I got scotch.
No, no, I've already eaten.
Really?
Really?
Well.
Okay.
Unless you want to take the lesson.
Well, I mean, it's already paid for.
Oh, well, I don't think so.
Oh, well, I don't think so.
Oh, come on.
I'll teach you a few things.
Yeah, okay.
Well, I go for that
since it's paid for.
I'm not very musical.
Don't worry about that.
Don't worry about that.
Really?
Yeah. We're just going to.
Yeah,
I'm just going to keep it really simple.
Okay?
That's right. Yeah.
Start with scales.
Let's watch my hands.
Let's watch my hands.
Very good. Your turn.
Start right here.
Start right here.
Okay, that's it.
Under the thumb.
Feel.
(giggle) with a thumb?
(giggle) with a thumb?
All right, that's it.
All right, that's it.
Good. All right.
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