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- NARRATOR: D-Day, June 1944.
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The beginning of the end
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of the deadliest conflict
in human history.
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Before the war,
the American military
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is ranked the 17th largest
in the world.
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By the time it ends...
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it's number one.
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Yet in its quest to remain
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the newly minted pre-eminent
global superpower,
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the United States
government engages
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in a pattern of covert behavior
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that sees it experiment
on its own citizens.
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Its purpose, increasing
America's military might.
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- The CIA does not deny that the
experiments took place.
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- NARRATOR: The depth
and breadth of these
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government programs is beyond
our wildest imagination.
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- Many Americans would prefer
not to remember
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the syphilis study
at Tuskegee.
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- NARRATOR: And leave many
to wonder what other
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government secrets
remain undiscovered?
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In today's climate,
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where everything is
viewed with skepticism,
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the truly evil is easily hidden.
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To penetrate this
sinister world,
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a trio of inspired citizens
is ready to find out,
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to look beyond the surface,
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imagining the unimaginable.
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With a hope to
uncovering the truth
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of America's dark files.
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Montauk Point,
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the eastern most
tip of Long Island.
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Just three hours from the
big city and bright lights
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of Manhattan.
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Yet a world unto itself.
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Home to a one of a
kind radar tower,
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a sprawling park
called Camp Hero
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and an endless collection
of unnerving rumors.
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Christopher Garetano
grew up on the Island.
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- I started hearing
all these strange
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and bizarre stories
about Montauk.
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A multitude of things
that were anomalous
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and not normal.
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Every 12 seconds the
radar tower'd rotate
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and there would be
animals freaking out
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and people getting headaches
and bad dreams.
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And you know people's
electronic equipment
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would go haywire.
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There would be you know,
covert military vans,
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helicopters have been
around the perimeter.
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And of course the
Montauk monster.
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- NARRATOR: The government
states this site
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is a shuttered military base
that once protected Americans.
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But there are also claims
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that within Camp Hero's
concrete fortresses,
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lie the remains of a deep
government conspiracy.
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- When I was a kid,
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my summers would be
spent in Montauk.
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- NARRATOR: Garetano's
history with Camp Hero
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goes back to 1983.
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Exactly two years after
the base is shut down.
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- I was maybe eight years old.
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And I was walking down the beach
with my uncle and my father
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looking for shells and I was
walking a little further
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away from my uncle
and my father
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and I saw these
giant iron, round,
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kind of spherical things with
spikes sticking out of them.
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And that's when this
military personnel came out
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and he told us to
go the other way,
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can't go any further.
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- NARRATOR: A decommissioned
base that still
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secures its perimeter,
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Garetano and his father find
the contradiction puzzling.
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- That moment was
extremely important
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because that's when
my curiosity began.
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I thought if the
base is closed down,
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why is it so tightly guarded?
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What are they hiding?
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- NARRATOR: He makes
over 100 trips here
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in the ensuing
years to find out.
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And he isn't alone
in his curiosity.
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Over the years,
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swarms of people breach the
tower's gated perimeter.
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Hoping to get below ground
and search for answers
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to Montauk's bizarre mysteries
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before being chased away
by its tight security.
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In 1992, years of rumors,
speculation, and innuendo
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find a common voice when a
book is published called,
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The Montauk Project .
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- The Montauk Project
at its core
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is a collection of everything
you could possibly think of
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in the world of paranormal
and conspiratorial ideas.
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Children being
kidnapped in a secret
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government mind control project.
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Then there's aspects of the
alien thing and time travel
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and all of these different
ideas that are integrated
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with this idea of mind control.
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- NARRATOR: Preston Nichols
is the author and architect
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ofThe Montauk Project .
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And according to people
who knew him in the 1980s,
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a brilliant scientist
with a wide following.
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His book provides a
suite of explanations
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to Montauk's many legends.
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And further feeds
the rumor mill.
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Were children pulled
off the streets
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of surrounding communities
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and used in mind
control experiments
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at Camp Hero?
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Did this base and its
purported underground
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once serve as a venue
for time travel?
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Why did the military
depart this place
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with such abandon?
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And why is it's
former nerve center
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still off limits?
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What is the American
government hiding?
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And is Camp Hero the site
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of yet another official
government cover up?
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As Garetano tries to
answer these questions
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over the years,
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he immerses himself in Montauk,
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a personal investigation
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that becomes a decade
long obsession.
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And he documents it all on film.
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- It was after I learned
about MKUltra
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and it was after
I learned about
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government programs
that actually happened
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that I became obsessed.
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It was like everything you
learned in science fiction
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is now real.
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I actually started to believe
what was being told to me.
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- NARRATOR: Garetano compiles
his years of footage
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into a 2015 documentary called
theMontauk Chronicles .
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Allowing Nichols
and his supporters
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to tell their story in detail.
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But Garetano believes
the Montauk mystery
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goes much deeper than that.
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And he thinks there's
evidence to be found
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that will either prove
or disprove this story
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once and for all.
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- What keeps me up
at night regarding
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this whole thing
is that I believe
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at least some of it is true.
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And that I'd like to prove it.
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I think it's really important
that I either put it to rest
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or we prove that it-
it happened.
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- NARRATOR: A fresh
active investigation
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into the incredible
allegations at Montauk.
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To assist him,
Garetano is bringing
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in two men who offer a
wide array of experiences
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from opposite ends
of the spectrum.
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- My name is Barry Eisler,
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I spent three years
in a covert position
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with the CIA.
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These days I write
novels full time,
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political thrillers.
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- NARRATOR: Eisler's
time at the Agency
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afforded him a
unique look inside
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the belly of the
American government.
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- Based on my own
experiences in the CIA,
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and based on the public record,
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you can see the sort of group
think that would take hold
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and allow people to suspend
what they would otherwise
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consider to be their
ethical base,
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their own morality in the
name of say national security
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and wind up doing
some terrible things.
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- NARRATOR: To counter Eisler,
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Garetano finds a
well-known skeptic.
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- My name's Steve Volk.
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I'm a contributing editor
at Discover Magazine,
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a writer at large at
Philadelphia Magazine,
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and a contributor to
the Washington Post.
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- NARRATOR: Respected in Philly
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as a hard hitting
crime reporter,
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a skeptical Volk
is known nationally
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as the author ofFringe-ology
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a critically acclaimed
work of non-fiction
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that attempts to explain
away the paranormal.
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- Usually people stay
away from something
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this fringe-y.
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But you've gotta
leave the door open
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to a story like this.
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When there's so many
people who believe it
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who are orienting
their lives around it,
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it's up to the rest of
us I think to engage.
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- NARRATOR: Garetano
knows both men
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have at least one
thing in common.
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A deep knowledge of the
American government's
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pattern of questionable behavior
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in the name of
geopolitical superiority.
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- The reason that Americans
are so interested
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in conspiracy theories is
that conspiracies happen.
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- Look at real
historical incidents
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like the Tuskegee
syphilis experiments.
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- It's one of the
most shameful episodes
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in American history.
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- NARRATOR: The Tuskegee
syphilis study
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ran from 1932 to 1972.
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It's purpose?
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Observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis
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in 600 African-American men
in Alabama.
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Under the guise that these men
would receive free healthcare
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from the U.S. government.
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- They were just allowed
to suffer and die
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from the disease so that the
scientists could just observe
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what happens if you
have untreated syphilis.
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- What the United States
government did
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was shameful and I am sorry.
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- Sounds like something
out of a movie
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but it's real.
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- NARRATOR: Real...
only because it was
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proven so by whistleblowers
40 years after it began.
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Tuskegee is one example of
many in American history.
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- What we've seen ever
since World War II
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is not any kind of downsizing
of these programs
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but their continued growth.
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- In the councils of government,
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we must guard against
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the military industrial complex.
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- The phrase the military
industrial complex,
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the idea is this,
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it's a synergistic relationship
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between the military
on the one hand
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and the private
corporations that supply
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the military with its
hardware on the other.
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- The potential for
the disastrous rise
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of misplaced power
exists and will persist.
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- The more we learn
about history,
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I am forced to conclude
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that the U.S. government
is perfectly capable
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of doing barbarous stuff
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in the name of science,
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in the name of
national security.
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So, if we're going to
dispassionately, logically,
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and as objectively
as possible evaluate
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allegations of human
experimentation
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at Camp Hero in Montauk,
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we can't do that in
an historical vacuum.
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- NARRATOR: Yet the
question remains:
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Is there any hard proof to show that unspeakable behavior
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occurred at Camp Hero
in Montauk?
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Is yet another
government conspiracy
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ready to be uncovered?
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Day one of the investigation.
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Arrival at Camp Hero
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and Eisler and Volk's
first times seeing
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the radar tower in person.
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- From here it looks
like some alien thing.
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- Yeah, it look
ominous from here.
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- NARRATOR: Once a
military base,
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the site today consists
of over 400 acres
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of wooded parkland.
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The radar tower is situated
almost dead center
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within the park.
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- There's that big old beast.
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It's a ghost of World War II
you know.
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A total relic.
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- NARRATOR: And is ground zero for the conspiracy theory.
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- CHRIS: This is where they
say allegedly underneath
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the ground everything
was happening.
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And again, you know,
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if you listen to all the
people that tell this story
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that say they were part of it,
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they're not saying it
happened above ground.
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I mean, very few
things did in regard
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to the Montauk Project.
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They're saying it happened
beneath the ground,
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deep beneath the ground.
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- NARRATOR: Beneath the
ground at Camp Hero,
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if the rumors are true,
buried under the radar tower,
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exists the most
complex and powerful
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secret laboratory
in U.S. history.
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And it's purpose
is mind bending.
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Using the radars powerful
radio frequencies,
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scientists get inside
the human mind.
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Tapping into consciousness
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and reading people's thoughts.
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Then applying
technology supposedly
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given to them by aliens,
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these scientists create
what becomes known
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as the Montauk chair
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which projects these thoughts
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to a remote location.
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But this chair proves
eminently functional.
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It also is said to have opened
up a vortex for time travel.
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- The official word is there's
nothing underground.
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But I really think there's
something to hide there.
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I think it's really
important that
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we try and break
through the cement.
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That we look deep
inside the base.
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If we can look
underground 60, 70 feet,
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it's a way we can prove
or disprove the project.
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If we can find
something the country
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would have a whole new
perspective on our history.
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- NARRATOR: Is the truth
buried below Camp Hero?
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According to locals
and others who
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snuck inside before the
park service secured
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its exposed entrances,
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there exists a complex system
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of interconnected,
multi-level tunnels.
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Yet the blueprints of the base
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made available to the public
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show no interconnectivity
at all.
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- So much of this story hinges
on the idea that there's
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tunnels and secret rooms,
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this vast underground
network underneath Montauk.
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So, as part of
our investigation,
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we applied for a
permit from Camp Hero
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to go underground.
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- Why is this separate
from the rest of it?
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- And they denied that request.
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- I've seen a lot
of different shows
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where people go into
abandoned buildings
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or hazardous places
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and as long as there's
safety measures taken,
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people do it.
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Why can't we go into Camp Hero?
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There's something they
don't want us to know.
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a scenic hamlet in Long Island's luxurious Hamptons.
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To others, the sight of an
deep government conspiracy.
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- Most locals will
automatically dismiss this
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as a joke or as a hoax.
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But it's like you living
next door to John Wayne Gassy
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for 30 years thinking
he's this wonderful,
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jovial man who couldn't
possibly hurt anybody.
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But under your nose for 30 years
he's been killing people
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and burying them
underneath the crawlspace
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and that's right next door.
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- NARRATOR: Filmmaker
Christopher Garetano
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has spent a decade
investing Camp Hero
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and has invited former
Central Intelligence Agency
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operative Barry Eisler,
a diligent truth seeker
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and journalist and
author Steve Volk,
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a healthy skeptic to
join him in looking into
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the Montauk Project's claims.
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- Rumors and allegations
about what went on at Montauk
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range from the easy
to believe I think
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to the much more
difficult to believe.
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- The Montauk Conspiracy
includes everything from
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aliens, time travel,
mind control, to Nazis,
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brainwashing, implanted
memories and erased memories.
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Gonna be fun to dig into it.
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- NARRATOR: Yet according
to the official record,
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Camp Hero is something
else entirely.
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Originally commissioned
by the United States Army
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during World War II,
this remote ocean side camp
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is disguised as a fishing
village with two behemoth
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16 inch, 66 foot guns
protecting New York
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from German U-boats.
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In 1958 during the Cold War,
Camp Hero becomes
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an integral part of
America's semi-automatic
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ground environment system,
aka, Sage Radar.
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The base is transferred to
the United States Air Force.
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Montauk's tower is
the mother station
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to a series of
smaller manned radars
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sitting on platforms in the
ocean along the East Coast.
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This iron shield
provides U.S. forces
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with an extra 30 minutes
of warning time
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in the event of an incoming
Soviet nuclear attack.
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Only 12 of these massive
tower systems were installed
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across the United States.
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Today, the tower at Montauk
is the only one left standing
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and is a national
historic monument.
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But it has also become
a monument to possibly
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the darkest alleged government
conspiracy in U.S. history.
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One of the earliest
spokesman of this legend
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was a man named Al Bielek.
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Garetano meets Bielek in 2006
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while working on
his documentary.
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In the late 80s, Bielek
comes forward with
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recovered memories of
working as a scientist
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on the Philadelphia Experiment.
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A forerunner to the
Montauk Project.
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- The Philadelphia Experiment
is an incident in which
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the U.S. government
is alleged to have tried
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to deploy a new radar
cloaking technology
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on a Navy ship
called the Eldridge,
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inadvertently having
sent this ship
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in some sort of time travel.
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- NARRATOR: While the story
states that the Eldridge
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traveled only a few seconds
through time
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Bielek claims that
he was on the ship
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and it actually traveled
40 years into the future,
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ending up in Montauk.
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- We could go across galaxies
to the other side of the galaxy
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which was longer than
25,000 light years
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in two or three seconds.
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[dramatic music]
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- NARRATOR: As the men wind
their way through Camp Hero
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to an area Bielek
claims is a hot spot,
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they come across a
man who appears to be
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some kind of park worker.
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- CHRIS: We have a question,
you're working with
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the Army Corps of Engineers sir?
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- WORKER: Well that's
our client.
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- CHRIS: So what exactly are
they doing today?
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- They just you know
'cause this used to be
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a former military base.
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We just do surveys
to see if there's
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any other hazardous
materials still out there.
401
00:17:31,963 --> 00:17:33,052
- Are you aware
of the conspiracy
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00:17:33,095 --> 00:17:34,444
surrounding this base.
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00:17:34,488 --> 00:17:36,185
- Actually I got more
on my team that's
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actually working up there
at the radar tower right now
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and that's supposed to
be the main room where,
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there's supposed to
be a bunker beneath
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where they had all the
time travel experiments
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and that kind of weird stuff.
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So I'm not really sure,
I'm not positive.
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I'm really low on
the totem pole here.
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I'm just out, I'm just
a field botanist.
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I don't know the exact details.
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- NARRATOR: The trio wrap up
their spontaneous interview.
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- CHRIS: You guys you hearing
all the drilling
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and everything to our left?
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See over there, that's where
they're working right there.
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00:18:02,211 --> 00:18:03,169
Yeah.
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According to Steve the botanist.
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- NARRATOR: An interview
raises more questions
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than it answers.
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After the botanist brings
up a supposed underground
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that allegedly once
served as a venue
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for time travel experimentation.
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- Not that I'm a
conspiracy theorist,
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it's just, we filed for a
permit several months ago,
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they knew we were gonna be here.
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I'm mean it could
be a coincidence,
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but it's just kind a weird
that three months ago
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give or take these guys knew
we were gonna be out here
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doing some kind
of investigation.
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And at the same time we arrive,
they've got the Army
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Corps of Engineers out here.
- Right.
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[dramatic music]
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- BARRY: Oh man,
that's beautiful.
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- STEVE: Yeah, it's gorgeous.
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00:18:49,606 --> 00:18:51,304
It's very hard for me
to have dark thoughts
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looking out at this.
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- NARRATOR: The men
arrive at a bluff
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on the park's eastern most edge,
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about a mile away
from the radar tower
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and some 75 feet above
the Atlantic Ocean.
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This is the location
Al Bielek claims
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is linked by Montauk's
underground tunnel system.
444
00:19:08,538 --> 00:19:12,151
[suspenseful music]
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00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:14,631
- You walk into the entrance
of this thing in the,
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opening in the wall
when it's operating.
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You get sucked in, you come
out the other end,
448
00:19:21,769 --> 00:19:23,901
get dumped on the
ground sort of.
449
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And uh...
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125,000 light years and you're
on another planetary system
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on the opposite
side of the galaxy.
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- He said that these
strange energetic devices
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that generated power for
a time travel device.
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It was partially buried
deep in the soil.
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It's right out here
where you're looking
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is where Al Bielek
said the USS Eldridge
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appeared briefly in 1983 and
then disappeared right here.
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- Chris's position seems
to be that is where
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the time travel aspect
of the Montauk Experiment
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would have taken place.
461
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Somewhere underground by
some unknown technology.
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00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:05,987
I know that it's a
theoretical scientific
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possibility for sure,
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00:20:08,729 --> 00:20:11,601
but I also know that
as a practical matter
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we don't really know that we'll
ever actually be able to do it
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and send people backward
or forward in time.
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- NARRATOR: If the skeptic
Volk agrees that time travel
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is a theoretical scientific
possibility,
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couldn't it also be
possible that Al Bielek
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and others in the
Montauk Project
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found a scientific answer?
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- Okay, let's talk about
the time travel thing.
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If you rewind back 100 years,
we thought we knew everything.
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All of the technology and
things we've discovered
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between now and then we
once science fiction.
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00:20:41,414 --> 00:20:46,897
So why is it so
unbelievable or unfathomable
477
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to consider all
of the other more
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elaborate aspects
of this whole story?
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- NARRATOR: If what Bielek
claims is true,
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then underneath
this remote bluff
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exists time travel capabilities.
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Could there be a way to peer
into the rock and soil
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and see evidence
of such structures
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without breaking the terms
of the park permit?
485
00:21:06,961 --> 00:21:10,443
If such a capability exists,
would there be proof
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of a network of
interconnected tunnels
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to and from the radar tower?
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To find a potential
link between the two,
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the men return to the beating
heart of the conspiracy.
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- We check with the
people in charge
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and they say absolutely no way
and we're not allowed to go.
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00:21:27,155 --> 00:21:29,288
They're up our asses
the whole time.
493
00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:31,028
Not letting us go anywhere.
494
00:21:31,072 --> 00:21:33,292
Alright, so let's hop the fence.
495
00:21:33,335 --> 00:21:35,555
- It's such a temptation...
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so appealing.
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- NARRATOR: Each of the men know that just a brief glimpse
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beyond these secure gates
may provide the answer
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00:21:42,997 --> 00:21:44,433
to this mystery,
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but if they're caught,
a permit revocation
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and possible arrest.
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- CHRIS: So many times I've
been over this fence.
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We get so used to it that
we don't even care anymore,
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00:21:56,706 --> 00:21:58,317
it's like Eric look,
anyone coming.
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00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,885
Nope, jump the fence, go,
run, grab our gear.
506
00:22:01,929 --> 00:22:05,062
I have footage of us hopping
this fence many times.
507
00:22:06,673 --> 00:22:09,023
You just step on
this chain over here.
508
00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:11,678
[fence creaking]
509
00:22:11,721 --> 00:22:13,941
- BARRY: It's moving around
a lot, are you sure?
510
00:22:13,984 --> 00:22:15,290
- PARK WORKER: Excuse me,
511
00:22:15,334 --> 00:22:19,076
you guys gotta come outta there.
512
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:20,817
The Montauk Project,
513
00:22:20,861 --> 00:22:22,993
An alleged government
conspiracy,
514
00:22:23,037 --> 00:22:25,387
that claims below this
former military base
515
00:22:25,431 --> 00:22:26,997
at the tip of New York,
516
00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:29,348
a covert government
program was housed
517
00:22:29,391 --> 00:22:33,090
that saw experiments in time
travel and mind control.
518
00:22:33,134 --> 00:22:36,529
If proven true, this tale
speaks to the worst of man,
519
00:22:36,572 --> 00:22:40,097
and the darkest depths of
the American government.
520
00:22:42,448 --> 00:22:44,798
The men know that getting
into the radar tower,
521
00:22:44,841 --> 00:22:47,453
an enclosed area where no
one is permitted access,
522
00:22:47,496 --> 00:22:50,630
is key to their investigation.
523
00:22:50,673 --> 00:22:52,066
- PARK WORKER: Excuse me.
524
00:22:52,109 --> 00:22:54,460
You guys gotta
come out of there.
525
00:22:54,503 --> 00:22:56,505
- NARRATOR: But the park service has only granted the group
526
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:59,421
a restricted permit for filming.
527
00:22:59,465 --> 00:23:01,292
They aren't allowed to
dig into the ground,
528
00:23:01,336 --> 00:23:04,383
or breach the tower's
gated perimeter.
529
00:23:04,426 --> 00:23:06,385
- Why couldn't we have
certain regulations
530
00:23:06,428 --> 00:23:09,605
just to go past the gates,
film around,
531
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:11,041
stay on the grass,
stay on the path?
532
00:23:11,085 --> 00:23:13,348
We're not even
allowed to do that.
533
00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:14,871
So he's taking photos of us?
534
00:23:14,915 --> 00:23:17,265
You're not at all
suspicious of these guys,
535
00:23:17,308 --> 00:23:19,920
you think they're just
normal maintenance dudes?
536
00:23:19,963 --> 00:23:22,226
- NARRATOR: Tight security
or simply maintenance workers
537
00:23:22,270 --> 00:23:24,054
going about their business?
538
00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:28,145
Since Garetano made his
documentary in 2015,
539
00:23:28,189 --> 00:23:31,148
he's cataloged a variety
of strange occurrences,
540
00:23:31,192 --> 00:23:32,846
and met a number of characters
541
00:23:32,889 --> 00:23:36,240
who have led him deeper
into this incredible story.
542
00:23:36,284 --> 00:23:37,590
- A lot of people have been
coming forward
543
00:23:37,633 --> 00:23:39,243
in the past two years,
544
00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:41,463
claiming they were part
of the Montauk Project.
545
00:23:42,943 --> 00:23:44,553
- NARRATOR: Many of those
speaking out claim to be
546
00:23:44,597 --> 00:23:47,382
subjects of the most obscene
part of the legend,
547
00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,645
that thousands of
at-risk children
548
00:23:49,689 --> 00:23:52,605
were pulled off the streets
of neighboring cities,
549
00:23:52,648 --> 00:23:56,783
taken below ground at Camp Hero, beaten and abused,
550
00:23:56,826 --> 00:23:59,742
and then programmed
into super soldiers.
551
00:23:59,786 --> 00:24:01,352
That the government,
552
00:24:01,396 --> 00:24:03,311
through abduction and
then mind control,
553
00:24:03,354 --> 00:24:06,880
created an army of super
secret sleeper cells,
554
00:24:06,923 --> 00:24:09,491
to be called into
action on command.
555
00:24:09,535 --> 00:24:14,017
This group is now collectively
called the Montauk Boys.
556
00:24:14,931 --> 00:24:16,455
- There's a gentleman,
his name is James Bruce.
557
00:24:16,498 --> 00:24:18,587
It's an alias,
you'll soon meet him.
558
00:24:20,197 --> 00:24:22,548
- NARRATOR: James Bruce, a
subject in Garetano's film
559
00:24:22,591 --> 00:24:24,245
on the alleged conspiracy,
560
00:24:24,288 --> 00:24:26,552
and a self-proclaimed
Montauk Boy,
561
00:24:26,595 --> 00:24:28,162
one of the super soldiers.
562
00:24:28,205 --> 00:24:30,730
- He said that house back there,
he was brought into
563
00:24:30,773 --> 00:24:32,949
and given a large
amount of hallucinogens,
564
00:24:32,993 --> 00:24:34,995
and he even suggested
that Timothy Leary
565
00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:37,345
was here at one point.
566
00:24:38,477 --> 00:24:39,347
- Timothy Leary?
567
00:24:39,390 --> 00:24:40,914
- Yeah.
568
00:24:40,957 --> 00:24:44,004
Timothy Leary was designing
and administering LSD
569
00:24:44,047 --> 00:24:48,138
in that house over there,
which he dubbed the acid house.
570
00:24:49,705 --> 00:24:51,228
- NARRATOR: Could the
noted psychologist,
571
00:24:51,272 --> 00:24:53,883
writer and psychedelic
advocate Timothy Leary,
572
00:24:53,927 --> 00:24:56,407
have been in Montauk
during the Project?
573
00:24:56,451 --> 00:25:00,194
If so, it's the first time
Volk is hearing about it.
574
00:25:00,237 --> 00:25:01,848
- Does that make any
sense to you?
575
00:25:01,891 --> 00:25:04,372
- Does it make sense that
Leary was part of this?
576
00:25:04,415 --> 00:25:06,113
Why not?
577
00:25:06,156 --> 00:25:08,898
I mean, he was a big
advocate for LSD,
578
00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:10,770
he knew a lot about it, why not?
579
00:25:10,813 --> 00:25:12,336
- I don't know he was
into forcibly
580
00:25:12,380 --> 00:25:14,556
administering it to
children, however.
581
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,254
- Again, if you know about
all of these other programs,
582
00:25:17,298 --> 00:25:19,039
this stuff isn't far-fetched.
583
00:25:19,082 --> 00:25:21,476
I'm referring to MKUltra.
584
00:25:22,912 --> 00:25:27,090
- I would treat MKUltra as
one example of how far
585
00:25:27,134 --> 00:25:29,353
the U.S. government is
willing to go in secret,
586
00:25:29,397 --> 00:25:32,008
and how far it's
able to go in secret,
587
00:25:32,052 --> 00:25:34,620
in the name of
national security.
588
00:25:34,663 --> 00:25:37,274
- NARRATOR: Revealed to the
public in the mid-1970s
589
00:25:37,318 --> 00:25:40,408
by a congressional committee
called the Church Commission,
590
00:25:40,451 --> 00:25:44,281
MKUltra is a CIA program
that runs for 20 years,
591
00:25:44,325 --> 00:25:46,632
starting in 1953.
592
00:25:46,675 --> 00:25:48,242
Its purpose?
593
00:25:48,285 --> 00:25:51,071
The CIA conducts experiments
on human subjects,
594
00:25:51,114 --> 00:25:54,074
intended to test and
develop drugs to be used
595
00:25:54,117 --> 00:25:56,250
in interrogations and torture,
596
00:25:56,293 --> 00:25:58,252
in order to weaken individuals,
597
00:25:58,295 --> 00:26:01,777
to force confessions
using mind control.
598
00:26:01,821 --> 00:26:05,912
- MKUltra consisted of more
than 130 research programs
599
00:26:05,955 --> 00:26:08,305
which took place in
prisons, hospitals,
600
00:26:08,349 --> 00:26:10,873
and universities all
over the United States.
601
00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:13,920
- Now Alfred Bielek and
Preston Nichols both claim
602
00:26:13,963 --> 00:26:18,402
that there's a direct connection
between MKUltra and Montauk.
603
00:26:19,490 --> 00:26:20,666
There's even a connection,
they say,
604
00:26:20,709 --> 00:26:22,319
between the
Paperclip Scientists,
605
00:26:22,363 --> 00:26:24,626
even far back as
the Third Reich.
606
00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,976
- NARRATOR: Also known
as Operation Paperclip,
607
00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:29,762
this program is officially
sanctioned by America
608
00:26:29,805 --> 00:26:34,810
after World War II, and includes more than 1,600 Germans.
609
00:26:34,854 --> 00:26:38,248
- Project Paperclip, a secret
U.S. government program
610
00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:42,688
to recruit Nazi scientists
and other Nazi party members,
611
00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:45,865
many of whom were engaged
in the worst atrocities,
612
00:26:45,908 --> 00:26:48,563
to bring them to
the United States,
613
00:26:48,607 --> 00:26:50,609
to whitewash their war crimes,
give them new identities,
614
00:26:50,652 --> 00:26:52,306
then exploit them
for their scientific
615
00:26:52,349 --> 00:26:54,003
and intelligence value.
616
00:26:54,047 --> 00:26:57,354
- NARRATOR: Paperclip, MKUltra, Tuskegee,
617
00:26:57,398 --> 00:26:58,878
once the unthinkable,
618
00:26:58,921 --> 00:27:01,924
now proven facts in
the historical record.
619
00:27:01,968 --> 00:27:04,840
And some say, a clear
pattern showing possible
620
00:27:04,884 --> 00:27:07,756
direct links back to Montauk.
621
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,671
- Even though we've
been able to prove
622
00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:12,674
all of these other projects,
we've not been able to prove
623
00:27:12,718 --> 00:27:14,850
that it's happened at Montauk.
624
00:27:14,894 --> 00:27:16,722
- You'd have to say
like okay, okay,
625
00:27:16,765 --> 00:27:18,680
the government did all these
mind control experiments,
626
00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:19,986
but they would never do
them in Montauk, New Work.
627
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:21,509
That would be crazy.
628
00:27:21,552 --> 00:27:23,163
- NARRATOR: Still, for
the journalist Volk,
629
00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:25,687
hard proof connecting
Leary to Montauk,
630
00:27:25,731 --> 00:27:28,734
and tying Montauk to
past government programs,
631
00:27:28,777 --> 00:27:31,388
will require
corroborating evidence,
632
00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:34,043
not just a knowledge
of American history.
633
00:27:35,784 --> 00:27:37,307
- [on phone] Public Information
Office, this is Maureen,
634
00:27:37,351 --> 00:27:38,482
Can I help you?
635
00:27:38,526 --> 00:27:40,093
- Hey, this is Steve Volk
and I'm a writer
636
00:27:40,136 --> 00:27:41,485
working on a project
I was hoping
637
00:27:41,529 --> 00:27:43,749
you might be able
to help me with.
638
00:27:45,272 --> 00:27:46,795
- NARRATOR: To authenticate
claims of time travel,
639
00:27:46,839 --> 00:27:49,711
child abduction, mind control,
acid testing,
640
00:27:49,755 --> 00:27:51,931
and the rest of the
Montauk Project's legend,
641
00:27:51,974 --> 00:27:54,585
the men cast a
wide research net.
642
00:27:54,629 --> 00:27:56,849
- CHRIS: So Mike, what year did
you start working there?
643
00:27:56,892 --> 00:28:01,505
- I arrived at Montauk Air Force
Station in February of 1978
644
00:28:01,549 --> 00:28:04,160
and I completed my tour
there in June of 1980.
645
00:28:04,204 --> 00:28:05,727
- I'm wondering if I
could just sort of get
646
00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:10,384
a raw total number of kids
reported missing, by year,
647
00:28:10,427 --> 00:28:14,257
dating back to from 19, this
is a big request, I know.
648
00:28:14,301 --> 00:28:16,782
From 1960 to about 1990.
649
00:28:18,392 --> 00:28:20,133
- My name is James Bruce.
650
00:28:20,176 --> 00:28:21,743
It's an alias, obviously.
651
00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:24,746
Not that the powers that
be don't know who I am.
652
00:28:24,790 --> 00:28:27,357
- I was 13, I think I was,
when we moved here.
653
00:28:27,401 --> 00:28:29,185
- You had a parent in
the Air Force?
654
00:28:29,229 --> 00:28:31,405
- Yeah, I had a step-dad that
was in the Air Force.
655
00:28:31,448 --> 00:28:32,885
- STEVE: There are people
now who say, look,
656
00:28:32,928 --> 00:28:35,452
this base has always
had this sort of secret
657
00:28:35,496 --> 00:28:38,151
clandestine history, 'cause
it was made to look like
658
00:28:38,194 --> 00:28:41,241
a fishing village, and the
implication is that even,
659
00:28:41,284 --> 00:28:42,590
even the people who lived here
660
00:28:42,633 --> 00:28:45,114
didn't know it was
really a military site.
661
00:28:45,158 --> 00:28:46,768
You're saying that's
just not true.
662
00:28:46,812 --> 00:28:50,293
- Well, we know there were
16-inch cannons in the bluffs.
663
00:28:50,337 --> 00:28:56,212
So, unless you're gonna kill
the fish with a 16-inch shell.
664
00:28:57,387 --> 00:28:58,780
- Was it like a
high security there?
665
00:28:58,824 --> 00:29:00,695
What was it like
the day you arrived?
666
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:02,262
- It was real dark.
667
00:29:02,305 --> 00:29:04,046
There was no security
at the gate.
668
00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:05,787
Anybody could've drove on.
669
00:29:05,831 --> 00:29:08,181
- So there was no security,
he drove right up onto the base
670
00:29:08,224 --> 00:29:10,096
where supposedly this top
secret [bleep] is happening.
671
00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:12,838
- I will say the first time
that I drove up to Camp Perry,
672
00:29:12,881 --> 00:29:15,144
the farm in
Williamsburg, Virginia,
673
00:29:15,188 --> 00:29:17,233
for CIA paramilitary training,
674
00:29:17,277 --> 00:29:19,888
your first impression is
guard post, armed guards.
675
00:29:19,932 --> 00:29:20,933
- It was incredibly secure,
right?
676
00:29:20,976 --> 00:29:21,934
- Yeah.
677
00:29:21,977 --> 00:29:23,152
- I did hear rumors of it.
678
00:29:23,196 --> 00:29:24,284
- Even when you were
living here?
679
00:29:24,327 --> 00:29:25,459
- When I was living here, yeah.
680
00:29:25,502 --> 00:29:26,808
You heard rumors of it,
681
00:29:26,852 --> 00:29:29,942
but you never really
saw anything happening.
682
00:29:29,985 --> 00:29:31,770
- Back between '78 and '80,
you heard rumors
683
00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:33,293
that there were time travel
experiments going on?
684
00:29:33,336 --> 00:29:34,947
- Yes, I did hear
about that, yeah.
685
00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:36,600
- That was long before
any books were written.
686
00:29:36,644 --> 00:29:38,515
- DARIN: Yeah.
687
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,953
- STEVE: You know, the darkest
part of this whole story
688
00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:42,389
that people tell
is that it involved
689
00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:45,305
kidnapping kids around the area.
690
00:29:45,348 --> 00:29:47,437
- I mean, if it was happening,
I didn't know about.
691
00:29:47,481 --> 00:29:49,135
I did never heard about it.
692
00:29:49,178 --> 00:29:51,833
- It was also experiments to
mind squash because they had
693
00:29:51,877 --> 00:29:53,269
specific types of acid to where
694
00:29:53,313 --> 00:29:54,836
you could read each
other's thoughts.
695
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,707
And then you would say it
back to you and you would say,
696
00:29:56,751 --> 00:29:58,231
holy [bleeps], how
did you know that?
697
00:29:58,274 --> 00:30:00,494
'Cause you could actually
be on the same wavelength.
698
00:30:00,537 --> 00:30:02,365
- What do you think they
were using you for?
699
00:30:02,409 --> 00:30:04,150
What was the purpose
of this experiment?
700
00:30:04,193 --> 00:30:06,717
- They wanted me to calm down
to teleport in this chair,
701
00:30:06,761 --> 00:30:08,458
'cause it's a
teleportation device.
702
00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:10,460
It pulls, rips your soul
right out of your body,
703
00:30:10,504 --> 00:30:12,506
sends it through the wire
and then you could fly
704
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:15,378
through space as your
body's laying in the chair.
705
00:30:15,422 --> 00:30:16,989
- Good to see you, man.
706
00:30:17,032 --> 00:30:18,817
- NARRATOR: The men conduct
25 plus interviews
707
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:20,775
with people
connected to Montauk,
708
00:30:20,819 --> 00:30:25,214
and receive a range of denials, innuendo, and speculation.
709
00:30:25,258 --> 00:30:28,478
But it isn't until they meet
a local, named Brian Minnick,
710
00:30:28,522 --> 00:30:31,742
that they may have finally found what they've been searching for.
711
00:30:32,961 --> 00:30:34,920
- Me and my friends we'd
explore, that's all we did.
712
00:30:34,963 --> 00:30:36,878
Collecting anything
I could find.
713
00:30:36,922 --> 00:30:38,532
- Did you bring some stuff
for us to look at?
714
00:30:40,926 --> 00:30:42,710
- BRIAN: This is actually
an entrance to the basement.
715
00:30:42,753 --> 00:30:45,017
You'd walk along this
trench down steps,
716
00:30:45,060 --> 00:30:46,453
and there's a door over
there that you'd go
717
00:30:46,496 --> 00:30:47,628
into the basement with.
718
00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:58,247
- I was honestly blown
away by that footage.
719
00:30:58,291 --> 00:31:00,119
Every single thing that
Brian brought to us,
720
00:31:00,162 --> 00:31:02,948
challenges the public statement.
721
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,953
- Now here is something
that really did surprise me.
722
00:31:19,268 --> 00:31:20,704
- NARRATOR: Hamptons local,
Brian Minnick
723
00:31:20,748 --> 00:31:22,837
has spent 30 years
traversing the grounds
724
00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:25,405
at Camp Hero in New York.
725
00:31:25,448 --> 00:31:27,886
Filming his trips
and collecting photos
726
00:31:27,929 --> 00:31:30,062
and other documentation
related to this
727
00:31:30,105 --> 00:31:32,978
mysterious former military base.
728
00:31:33,021 --> 00:31:34,718
A base that some people assert,
729
00:31:34,762 --> 00:31:37,591
served as a cover for a
clandestine government program
730
00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:41,421
of mind control and time travel experimentation.
731
00:31:41,464 --> 00:31:44,424
- I went there when I was
probably like,
732
00:31:44,467 --> 00:31:47,949
11 years old in 1987
with some family friends
733
00:31:47,993 --> 00:31:49,603
and we made our way
into one of the bunkers.
734
00:31:51,431 --> 00:31:53,128
I didn't start exploring
it until I found out
735
00:31:53,172 --> 00:31:54,956
about the book.
736
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,307
Then, at that point we were
just trying to get underground.
737
00:31:59,526 --> 00:32:01,528
- What was the most
compelling piece of evidence
738
00:32:01,571 --> 00:32:04,357
or the most compelling
that you've experienced
739
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,229
in all the years of you
observing Camp Hero.
740
00:32:07,273 --> 00:32:09,014
- There was a lot
of strange things
741
00:32:09,057 --> 00:32:12,539
and the sum total of all those
strange things is compelling.
742
00:32:17,457 --> 00:32:19,720
But I'd say, we've
found records of
743
00:32:19,763 --> 00:32:22,984
food being ordered to the
base in like the late 80s
744
00:32:23,028 --> 00:32:26,640
and some of this, it was like
80,000 a month on this one
745
00:32:26,683 --> 00:32:28,076
and there was huge
amounts of food
746
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,078
being ordered to the base.
747
00:32:30,122 --> 00:32:32,298
- NARRATOR: The base
closed down in 1981
748
00:32:32,341 --> 00:32:35,649
and was turned over to
the park service in '84.
749
00:32:35,692 --> 00:32:38,695
Minnick found receipts for
the food in the late 80s.
750
00:32:38,739 --> 00:32:42,003
- So, 80,000 bucks in a month.
751
00:32:42,047 --> 00:32:45,137
- Yeah, that seems like it,
enough to feed like a town.
752
00:32:45,180 --> 00:32:46,921
- Cater a couple of weddings.
753
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,096
- Do you have those records?
754
00:32:48,140 --> 00:32:52,100
- No, we actually took
them out and then,
755
00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:55,103
we got chased and kind of
threw them up in the air.
756
00:32:55,147 --> 00:32:57,801
But I really regret that,
throwing them, I really do.
757
00:32:57,845 --> 00:32:59,020
- I regret it too.
758
00:33:04,547 --> 00:33:07,637
- NARRATOR: Captured from
1993 through 1995,
759
00:33:07,681 --> 00:33:10,118
a decade after the base
had been shut down.
760
00:33:10,162 --> 00:33:12,991
Brian's rare footage
shows Camp Hero
761
00:33:13,034 --> 00:33:14,775
before its buildings
and openings were
762
00:33:14,818 --> 00:33:17,647
sealed shut by
the park service.
763
00:33:17,691 --> 00:33:20,694
- The idea of you exploring
with your friends,
764
00:33:20,737 --> 00:33:23,479
a lot of these things
that aren't there anymore,
765
00:33:23,523 --> 00:33:25,873
the footage is really unique,
it's great stuff.
766
00:33:25,916 --> 00:33:27,309
- Yeah, thank you,
appreciate it.
767
00:33:27,353 --> 00:33:28,876
I mean, I've been sitting
on this stuff forever,
768
00:33:28,919 --> 00:33:29,964
so I'm glad to share it.
769
00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:30,965
- Yeah, do you have more?
770
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:32,140
- Yeah.
771
00:33:33,794 --> 00:33:36,623
Alright, here is the
colored room.
772
00:33:36,666 --> 00:33:38,712
Here, I'll lay these out.
773
00:33:40,366 --> 00:33:42,890
And I got the black and
white room right here.
774
00:33:44,979 --> 00:33:46,241
- Okay, interesting.
775
00:33:46,285 --> 00:33:47,851
So out of nowhere,
after all these years
776
00:33:47,895 --> 00:33:49,766
of hearing about acid rooms,
777
00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:52,900
Brian just breaks out the
pictures and the footage.
778
00:33:54,423 --> 00:33:56,121
- The LSD rooms, if you
look at them,
779
00:33:56,164 --> 00:33:57,644
I have good pictures of them.
780
00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:00,081
- Okay, interesting.
781
00:34:00,125 --> 00:34:01,778
This is kinda curious.
782
00:34:01,822 --> 00:34:04,564
For what reason -- why would a
room be painted this way?.
783
00:34:04,607 --> 00:34:07,045
- Check out like the ceiling,
not a spot of paint,
784
00:34:07,088 --> 00:34:09,525
not a spot on the floor.
785
00:34:09,569 --> 00:34:11,266
- And then the
paisley wallpaper
786
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:13,833
and another which has
an odd pattern.
787
00:34:13,877 --> 00:34:16,054
- This is a great moment
in the whole investigation
788
00:34:16,097 --> 00:34:18,795
because here was something
that really did surprise me.
789
00:34:18,839 --> 00:34:20,623
- But if you look at the
light sockets, they're all,
790
00:34:20,667 --> 00:34:23,148
they're not painted over,
the trim is not painted over,
791
00:34:23,190 --> 00:34:26,063
it's all taped off and
it's a professional job.
792
00:34:26,107 --> 00:34:29,110
- I don't know why the
government would do this
793
00:34:29,154 --> 00:34:30,719
to any living quarters.
794
00:34:30,764 --> 00:34:33,027
It wasn't kids who did this,
it's not vandalism
795
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:35,681
It was too well done.
796
00:34:36,813 --> 00:34:39,120
- Those pictures raise
up the ghost of what
797
00:34:39,164 --> 00:34:41,208
James Bruce talked about.
798
00:34:42,601 --> 00:34:44,647
The acid houses, Timothy Leary,
799
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:47,128
the Montauk Boys, all of that.
800
00:34:47,172 --> 00:34:49,522
- There's also experiments to
mind squash because they had
801
00:34:49,565 --> 00:34:51,350
specific types of acid
where you could
802
00:34:51,393 --> 00:34:53,438
read each other's thoughts
and then he would say it
803
00:34:53,482 --> 00:34:54,701
back to you and you would say,
804
00:34:54,744 --> 00:34:56,181
"Holy [bleep], how did
you know that?"
805
00:34:56,224 --> 00:34:57,660
because you could actually
be on the same wavelength.
806
00:34:58,792 --> 00:35:01,099
- So, you have to ask,
what was it for?
807
00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:02,448
Why did it happen?
808
00:35:02,491 --> 00:35:05,103
And I think the best
speculation I've heard,
809
00:35:05,146 --> 00:35:07,888
is that, yeah, they
were giving people acid.
810
00:35:07,931 --> 00:35:10,020
I know the U.S. government
has carried out
811
00:35:10,064 --> 00:35:12,197
all sorts of unwitting
human experimentations
812
00:35:12,240 --> 00:35:14,373
involving LSD and
other hallucinogens,
813
00:35:14,416 --> 00:35:16,157
so I don't find it
all that farfetched
814
00:35:16,201 --> 00:35:19,856
to suggest that the experiments
we know have happened elsewhere,
815
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:22,468
also happened at Camp Hero.
816
00:35:24,861 --> 00:35:28,256
- As a journalist, those
pictures give me an avenue
817
00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:31,172
to approach the
people who knew Leary,
818
00:35:31,216 --> 00:35:33,087
people who worked
with him, what would
819
00:35:33,131 --> 00:35:37,004
psychedelics researchers
say about those images.
820
00:35:37,047 --> 00:35:39,963
Are they psychedelic?
821
00:35:40,007 --> 00:35:42,923
Is there any record of any
experiments being performed
822
00:35:42,966 --> 00:35:45,578
with patterns like these
involved in the research
823
00:35:45,621 --> 00:35:49,669
decades ago, it gives me
something to go look at.
824
00:35:49,712 --> 00:35:52,019
- NARRATOR: Fueled by
the acid room findings,
825
00:35:52,062 --> 00:35:55,457
Minnick increases his
frequency to Camp Hero.
826
00:35:58,678 --> 00:36:01,246
And State Parks Servicemen
begin to take notice.
827
00:36:06,338 --> 00:36:09,167
[intense music]
828
00:36:16,304 --> 00:36:18,480
- When you were chased,
do you have any idea
829
00:36:18,524 --> 00:36:21,048
who that was,
who was coming?
830
00:36:21,091 --> 00:36:26,009
- They seemed to be SUVs,
white or black SUVs.
831
00:36:26,053 --> 00:36:32,015
[intense music]
832
00:36:32,059 --> 00:36:33,321
There's aerial
surveillance there too,
833
00:36:33,365 --> 00:36:36,150
like there's a
helicopter and actually,
834
00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:37,978
we got so used to it
popping out of nowhere
835
00:36:38,021 --> 00:36:40,415
and kind of hovering over us.
836
00:36:40,459 --> 00:36:41,851
- How many times
did the helicopter
837
00:36:41,895 --> 00:36:43,157
show up when you were there?
838
00:36:43,201 --> 00:36:45,420
- Like five, six times at least.
839
00:36:45,464 --> 00:36:47,379
- The helicopter
have any markings?
840
00:36:47,422 --> 00:36:50,164
- All black, we have a strange
video of the helicopter
841
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,471
on the point, like
harassing boats,
842
00:36:52,514 --> 00:36:54,081
I guess is the
best way to put it,
843
00:36:54,124 --> 00:36:55,648
almost landing on
top of the boat.
844
00:36:56,431 --> 00:36:57,432
- There is another one!
845
00:36:58,825 --> 00:37:00,653
The same, exact thing.
846
00:37:00,696 --> 00:37:03,525
- NARRATOR: Footage of base
security chasing the teenagers
847
00:37:03,569 --> 00:37:06,572
a decade after the base
was officially shuttered,
848
00:37:06,615 --> 00:37:08,487
begs the obvious question.
849
00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:10,619
When taken together,
does this footage
850
00:37:10,663 --> 00:37:12,099
prove that the
government's official
851
00:37:12,142 --> 00:37:14,841
position maybe disingenuous?
852
00:37:14,884 --> 00:37:16,538
What reason would
it have to admit
853
00:37:16,582 --> 00:37:19,237
this underground tunnel
system from its blueprints?
854
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,021
Unless it was hiding something
855
00:37:21,064 --> 00:37:23,893
they didn't want
anyone to know about.
856
00:37:23,937 --> 00:37:26,635
- Did you ever get into
the proverbial tunnels?
857
00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:28,985
Because I keep talking
to people over the years
858
00:37:29,029 --> 00:37:30,770
and they say they
were down there.
859
00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:33,207
- I've been in several like,
underground...
860
00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:35,078
Well, there's a basement,
there is you know,
861
00:37:35,122 --> 00:37:36,906
bunkers that are
inside of a hill.
862
00:37:45,393 --> 00:37:48,483
- Did you ever find anything
that would indicate
863
00:37:48,527 --> 00:37:50,398
and anything that may
have been sealed up
864
00:37:50,442 --> 00:37:52,922
that you just couldn't
get through or open,
865
00:37:52,966 --> 00:37:55,185
that may indicate that there
was something else,
866
00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:57,057
like another level beneath that.
867
00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:58,319
Did you ever find
anything like that?
868
00:37:58,363 --> 00:37:59,886
- Yeah, absolutely.
869
00:37:59,929 --> 00:38:01,757
You can feel it, it's like
if you touch the walls,
870
00:38:01,801 --> 00:38:04,630
there's like there's
machinery running somewhere.
871
00:38:04,673 --> 00:38:06,936
This is us going
into the SAGE radar,
872
00:38:06,980 --> 00:38:10,549
so last time we came, this
door was completely open.
873
00:38:10,592 --> 00:38:12,420
- [on tape] We never had
that last time.
874
00:38:12,464 --> 00:38:14,857
- Now, this is only
like a month later
875
00:38:14,901 --> 00:38:17,077
and oh, this is important here,
876
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:18,992
this is actually an
entrance to the basement.
877
00:38:19,035 --> 00:38:21,037
You'd walk along this
trench down the steps
878
00:38:21,081 --> 00:38:22,212
and there's a door
over there that
879
00:38:22,256 --> 00:38:24,127
you would go into
the basement with.
880
00:38:24,171 --> 00:38:29,132
[suspenseful music]
881
00:38:29,176 --> 00:38:38,316
♪
882
00:38:39,882 --> 00:38:42,363
- So, now this is really
interesting because again,
883
00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:45,758
the official word is,
there's nothing underground.
884
00:38:45,801 --> 00:38:47,455
Brian shows us this footage and
885
00:38:47,499 --> 00:38:49,762
there's clearly
something underground.
886
00:38:52,547 --> 00:38:55,463
- So at the very end of one,
there is a heavy door
887
00:38:55,507 --> 00:38:58,379
that's been, I guess it's
padlocked at the time
888
00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:01,077
but it also looks like it has a,
889
00:39:01,121 --> 00:39:02,862
like, a wheel to open the door.
890
00:39:02,905 --> 00:39:03,906
- Like a bank vault?
891
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:05,125
- Yeah, like a
bank vault almost.
892
00:39:05,168 --> 00:39:07,475
So, that was supposedly
supposed to go
893
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,609
underneath to the
basement of that tunnel.
894
00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:17,572
- It is definitely gonna
throw fuel on the fire
895
00:39:17,616 --> 00:39:19,835
of people who claim all sorts of
896
00:39:19,879 --> 00:39:21,446
crazy stuff went on down there.
897
00:39:22,664 --> 00:39:24,753
- What I got from
Brian's footage is
898
00:39:24,797 --> 00:39:29,149
a suggestion of a vast
underground tunnel system.
899
00:39:29,192 --> 00:39:31,804
What we didn't get to see was,
900
00:39:31,847 --> 00:39:34,502
a full mapping of what
might be down there.
901
00:39:34,546 --> 00:39:36,112
But certainly from his footage,
902
00:39:36,156 --> 00:39:39,681
from what I saw, I expect
that there is something
903
00:39:39,725 --> 00:39:41,422
much more extensive
than what Brian
904
00:39:41,466 --> 00:39:44,817
and his friends were able
to directly access.
905
00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,732
- NARRATOR: Either way,
906
00:39:46,775 --> 00:39:48,690
it's clear there's more below
Camp Hero than the government
907
00:39:48,734 --> 00:39:50,649
would have us believe.
908
00:39:50,692 --> 00:39:53,434
So what truly is behind
these locked doors?
909
00:39:53,478 --> 00:39:55,958
Could it be a tunnel system
that housed a government
910
00:39:56,002 --> 00:39:58,091
mind control program?
911
00:39:58,134 --> 00:40:01,486
A deep, dark program
that also somehow
912
00:40:01,529 --> 00:40:03,966
unlocks the riddle
of time travel.
913
00:40:09,537 --> 00:40:11,583
an, how could you not at
least consider that something
914
00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:13,411
happened there with
everything from
915
00:40:13,454 --> 00:40:15,021
the helicopters chasing the kids
916
00:40:15,064 --> 00:40:16,979
to the acid house
to clearly there's
917
00:40:17,023 --> 00:40:18,503
something being underground.
918
00:40:22,028 --> 00:40:23,377
Okay, interesting.
919
00:40:23,421 --> 00:40:25,510
- NARRATOR: Garetano,
Eisler and Volk
920
00:40:25,553 --> 00:40:28,338
are looking into claims
surrounding Camp Hero,
921
00:40:28,382 --> 00:40:30,776
a former military installation
922
00:40:30,819 --> 00:40:34,040
that some say housed a clandestine government operation
923
00:40:34,083 --> 00:40:37,391
of acid testing, mind
control, child abduction
924
00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:38,871
and time travel.
925
00:40:39,872 --> 00:40:41,830
The local's home video
footage seems to be the
926
00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:44,267
first big break in the
investigation.
927
00:40:44,311 --> 00:40:46,095
- This is important here,
this is actually
928
00:40:46,139 --> 00:40:48,271
an entrance to the basement.
929
00:40:48,315 --> 00:40:50,186
- NARRATOR: As it appears
to reveal an underground
930
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:52,972
tunnel system that flies in
the face of the government
931
00:40:53,015 --> 00:40:56,628
blueprints which shows
nothing is below ground.
932
00:40:57,977 --> 00:40:59,674
[epic music]
933
00:40:59,718 --> 00:41:01,850
But how extensive
is this underground
934
00:41:01,894 --> 00:41:04,026
and what else may be down there?
935
00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:05,767
There's only one
way to find out,
936
00:41:05,811 --> 00:41:08,117
they need to look
below the ground.
937
00:41:08,161 --> 00:41:10,729
To do so, the men have
called in a team of
938
00:41:10,772 --> 00:41:13,688
geophysicists to
peer below ground
939
00:41:13,732 --> 00:41:16,386
and help search for evidence
of this covert program
940
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:19,085
called the Montauk Project.
941
00:41:19,128 --> 00:41:20,956
- You might have heard
about the legends
942
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,872
of what happened here,
structures being buried
943
00:41:23,916 --> 00:41:25,613
under the ground here.
944
00:41:28,137 --> 00:41:30,575
- You walk under the entrance
of this thing in the,
945
00:41:30,618 --> 00:41:34,230
opening in the wall
when it's operating.
946
00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:37,799
And you get sucked in,
you come out the other end,
947
00:41:37,843 --> 00:41:39,975
get dumped on the
ground sort of.
948
00:41:40,019 --> 00:41:41,760
And uh...
949
00:41:43,936 --> 00:41:46,286
125,000 light years
and you're on another
950
00:41:46,329 --> 00:41:49,507
planetary system on the
opposite side of the galaxy.
951
00:41:52,031 --> 00:41:53,380
- So we figure something's
under the ground,
952
00:41:53,423 --> 00:41:54,642
we don't know what.
953
00:41:54,686 --> 00:41:56,122
- Well we brought
several different pieces
954
00:41:56,165 --> 00:41:57,776
of geophysical equipment.
955
00:41:57,819 --> 00:41:59,821
First was the ground
penetrating radar.
956
00:41:59,865 --> 00:42:01,257
That's gonna be
able to go through
957
00:42:01,301 --> 00:42:02,737
and provide to us the highest
958
00:42:02,781 --> 00:42:04,826
resolution conditions
underground.
959
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:06,567
The other tools
that we're bringing,
960
00:42:06,611 --> 00:42:08,787
one is a magnetometer
and what that's gonna be
961
00:42:08,830 --> 00:42:13,400
looking for is any kind of
buried, iron bearing object.
962
00:42:13,443 --> 00:42:17,578
Then the next method is gonna be
electrical resistivity imaging.
963
00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,233
That is a way that we
can provide literally
964
00:42:20,276 --> 00:42:22,714
like a slice, a
vertical cross section.
965
00:42:22,757 --> 00:42:24,280
We're gonna be
looking for changes
966
00:42:24,324 --> 00:42:27,327
in the electrical properties
of the soils or rock.
967
00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:29,764
- Alright, let's do what you do.
968
00:42:32,375 --> 00:42:33,986
- NARRATOR: Two distinct areas
will be put under
969
00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:36,249
a geophysical microscope.
970
00:42:36,292 --> 00:42:38,338
The first, underneath this bluff
971
00:42:38,381 --> 00:42:42,037
to look for some kind
of anomaly below ground.
972
00:42:42,081 --> 00:42:45,127
The second, less
than a mile inland
973
00:42:45,171 --> 00:42:48,000
to search for proof of an
underground tunnel system
974
00:42:48,043 --> 00:42:51,264
not listed in the
public records.
975
00:42:53,179 --> 00:42:55,311
- I am very much looking
forward to interacting
976
00:42:55,355 --> 00:42:58,271
with the geo guys because
they're not invested
977
00:42:58,314 --> 00:43:01,361
one way or another in anything
having to do with Montauk
978
00:43:01,404 --> 00:43:03,885
or even in conspiracies
generally as far as I can tell.
979
00:43:03,929 --> 00:43:05,539
- CHRIS: We use 250 megahertz
in that one?
980
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:07,759
- MIKE: Yeah, let's go with the
low frequency in that one.
981
00:43:07,802 --> 00:43:09,412
- They do science,
they have instruments
982
00:43:09,456 --> 00:43:12,459
that can measure things
scientifically, reliably,
983
00:43:12,502 --> 00:43:14,287
and determine whether
something is underground
984
00:43:14,330 --> 00:43:16,898
and with a fairly high
degree of reliability
985
00:43:16,942 --> 00:43:18,378
what that thing is.
986
00:43:20,815 --> 00:43:22,643
- He using the low
frequency system
987
00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:24,253
where we're trying to
get that maximum depth
988
00:43:24,297 --> 00:43:27,561
of penetration, I'm using
the higher frequency one
989
00:43:27,605 --> 00:43:29,998
and I'm getting probably
around six to eight feet.
990
00:43:30,042 --> 00:43:33,088
So in terms of radar,
this sight is really-
991
00:43:33,132 --> 00:43:34,437
- BARRY: Pretty amendable.
- Yeah, pretty amenable.
992
00:43:34,481 --> 00:43:36,744
It's gonna help us out.
993
00:43:36,788 --> 00:43:38,877
[dramatic building music]
994
00:43:41,227 --> 00:43:43,446
- NARRATOR: With testing
completed along the bluff,
995
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:46,014
the team make their way
to site number two,
996
00:43:46,058 --> 00:43:48,626
ground zero for the conspiracy.
997
00:43:48,669 --> 00:43:50,845
- Honestly every one that
talks about this legend
998
00:43:50,889 --> 00:43:52,760
that knows anything about it,
999
00:43:52,804 --> 00:43:55,502
the underground base is
supposed to be underneath
1000
00:43:55,545 --> 00:43:58,331
this entire series of
structures of the tower,
1001
00:43:58,374 --> 00:43:59,637
these buildings here.
1002
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,595
So if we can get as close
as possible to these
1003
00:44:01,639 --> 00:44:05,207
I think that's where we
need to be right now.
1004
00:44:05,251 --> 00:44:06,948
Can we bring that
a little closer?
1005
00:44:06,992 --> 00:44:08,776
- NARRATOR: Garetano has
obsessed over the claims
1006
00:44:08,820 --> 00:44:11,257
surrounding Montauk
for more than a decade
1007
00:44:11,300 --> 00:44:13,389
and knows that the geophysicists
1008
00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:15,740
and their potential
underground findings
1009
00:44:15,783 --> 00:44:19,526
are his best shot at proving
the Montauk Conspiracy.
1010
00:44:19,569 --> 00:44:22,355
- It's really important
for me personally
1011
00:44:22,398 --> 00:44:26,620
that we find something factual
about this at this point.
1012
00:44:26,664 --> 00:44:29,971
We've entertained these
gentlemen for quite a long time,
1013
00:44:30,015 --> 00:44:32,017
allowed them to
tell their stories.
1014
00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:34,759
- NARRATOR: But any possible
corroborating evidence
1015
00:44:34,802 --> 00:44:37,196
of a underground
will have to wait.
1016
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,851
The scientific results
will take time.
1017
00:44:41,766 --> 00:44:44,594
As the men await hard data,
they kick into phase two
1018
00:44:44,638 --> 00:44:46,335
of their investigation.
1019
00:44:46,379 --> 00:44:48,033
[epic music]
1020
00:44:48,076 --> 00:44:50,818
They've been granted rare access and a unique opportunity
1021
00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:53,995
to record the testimony
of the last living legend
1022
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:57,564
of the Montauk Project,
Preston Nichols.
1023
00:44:57,607 --> 00:45:00,393
And the most prominent
Montauk Boy in the country,
1024
00:45:00,436 --> 00:45:06,094
the controversial
Steward Swerdlow.
1025
00:45:06,138 --> 00:45:07,617
The Montauk Boys,
1026
00:45:07,661 --> 00:45:09,750
a collection of
individuals who alleged
1027
00:45:09,794 --> 00:45:12,710
to have been abducted
in the 1970s and 80s,
1028
00:45:12,753 --> 00:45:15,103
taking under the
bowels of Camp Hero's
1029
00:45:15,147 --> 00:45:19,194
supposed tunnel system, and
undergone the unspeakable.
1030
00:45:19,238 --> 00:45:21,936
One such boy is
Stewart Swerdlow,
1031
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:23,808
the most high
profile of them all.
1032
00:45:23,851 --> 00:45:25,505
Swerdlow and his wife, Janet,
1033
00:45:25,548 --> 00:45:28,203
have invited filmmaker,
Christopher Garetano,
1034
00:45:28,247 --> 00:45:30,858
former CIA operative,
Barry Eisler
1035
00:45:30,902 --> 00:45:33,165
and hard hitting journalist,
Steve Volk
1036
00:45:33,208 --> 00:45:36,124
into their Michigan home for
an on camera interview.
1037
00:45:36,168 --> 00:45:37,343
[clap]
1038
00:45:37,386 --> 00:45:38,736
- If we could start
at the beginning,
1039
00:45:38,779 --> 00:45:40,607
how did you get involved
in the Montauk Project.
1040
00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:43,653
- 1970, when the
Montauk Project began,
1041
00:45:43,697 --> 00:45:48,658
I was taken into use there
for 13 years until 1983.
1042
00:45:48,702 --> 00:45:51,052
- What was the method that
you were first taken into
1043
00:45:51,096 --> 00:45:54,490
one of these programs,
how did they get you?
1044
00:45:54,534 --> 00:45:58,451
- They used derelicts,
they used foster children,
1045
00:45:58,494 --> 00:46:01,280
orphans, the drug addicts
and then ultimately,
1046
00:46:01,323 --> 00:46:04,109
they decided that people
with certain genetics,
1047
00:46:04,152 --> 00:46:06,111
people with certain backgrounds
1048
00:46:06,154 --> 00:46:10,158
would be more conducive to
the more advanced experiments,
1049
00:46:10,202 --> 00:46:12,160
and that's where I was taken in.
1050
00:46:12,204 --> 00:46:15,424
With all of these children,
their memories were wiped,
1051
00:46:15,468 --> 00:46:18,732
their genetics were altered
and they couldn't
1052
00:46:18,776 --> 00:46:20,429
always remember what happened,
1053
00:46:20,473 --> 00:46:23,606
it would be in a form of
nightmares or flashbacks.
1054
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:26,740
But with me, they could
not erase my memory,
1055
00:46:26,784 --> 00:46:29,177
I became an anomaly for them.
1056
00:46:30,265 --> 00:46:31,701
- So, he was already really
special because
1057
00:46:31,745 --> 00:46:33,878
he's put in this program
and even among the
1058
00:46:33,921 --> 00:46:35,270
special people in the program,
1059
00:46:35,314 --> 00:46:37,969
he was the most special,
he was unique.
1060
00:46:38,012 --> 00:46:40,058
- Underneath is where
everything happened.
1061
00:46:40,101 --> 00:46:42,974
I know from my experience,
that there were
1062
00:46:43,017 --> 00:46:45,411
at least nine levels and
maybe there were more,
1063
00:46:45,454 --> 00:46:47,065
I only knew of nine levels.
1064
00:46:48,414 --> 00:46:50,851
I did witness children
being beaten, murdered,
1065
00:46:50,895 --> 00:46:53,898
injured in horrible ways.
1066
00:46:53,941 --> 00:46:57,640
Unfortunately, I was also
the subject of some of these
1067
00:46:57,684 --> 00:47:00,861
horrible things that were
administered to the people.
1068
00:47:00,905 --> 00:47:02,167
- So what was the application?
1069
00:47:02,210 --> 00:47:04,038
Why were they doing
this to these kids,
1070
00:47:04,082 --> 00:47:05,605
like for what reason?
1071
00:47:05,648 --> 00:47:08,651
- It was a continuation
of the experiments
1072
00:47:08,695 --> 00:47:12,003
done by the Nazis in
the concentration camps.
1073
00:47:12,046 --> 00:47:14,875
- NARRATOR: Swerdlow is
drawing a known tangible
1074
00:47:14,919 --> 00:47:18,661
forensic evidence and first
hand survival accounts.
1075
00:47:18,705 --> 00:47:21,577
Nazis did indeed
experiment on humans
1076
00:47:21,621 --> 00:47:25,190
in concentration camps in
Europe, during World War II.
1077
00:47:25,233 --> 00:47:29,107
What's more, under the leadership of Dr. Josef Mengele,
1078
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:32,588
thousands of children were
the unfortunate test subjects
1079
00:47:32,632 --> 00:47:36,505
and incredibly, in what is
known as, Operation Paperclip,
1080
00:47:36,549 --> 00:47:38,507
hundreds of Nazi
scientists were brought
1081
00:47:38,551 --> 00:47:40,901
to the United States
during the war.
1082
00:47:40,945 --> 00:47:43,382
Given new identities
and then exploited
1083
00:47:43,425 --> 00:47:46,776
for their scientific
and intelligence value.
1084
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:49,388
Some of these Nazi
scientists are rumored
1085
00:47:49,431 --> 00:47:53,392
to have been the creative force behind the Montauk Project.
1086
00:47:53,435 --> 00:47:55,481
- What were they
preparing them for?
1087
00:47:55,524 --> 00:47:58,223
What was the experiment,
why would they trigger them?
1088
00:47:58,266 --> 00:48:02,053
- The ultimate goal is
for global mind control
1089
00:48:02,096 --> 00:48:05,273
and programming, to create
a mind control system
1090
00:48:05,317 --> 00:48:08,929
and have a robotical
Borg-type population
1091
00:48:08,973 --> 00:48:12,019
that does whatever
you want them to.
1092
00:48:12,063 --> 00:48:15,457
- So is the Montauk
Project successful?
1093
00:48:15,501 --> 00:48:17,459
- I can tell you that
every single story
1094
00:48:17,503 --> 00:48:22,073
out there is 100% true, I can
tell you that aliens do exist,
1095
00:48:22,116 --> 00:48:24,945
I can tell you that time
travel has been accomplished,
1096
00:48:24,989 --> 00:48:27,208
that technology has
been around since
1097
00:48:27,252 --> 00:48:29,167
before humans were on the Earth.
1098
00:48:29,210 --> 00:48:33,780
Humans are not the original
inhabitants of this planet.
1099
00:48:33,823 --> 00:48:35,695
- Stewart is making
extraordinary claims.
1100
00:48:35,738 --> 00:48:38,263
You have interviewed
a number of people
1101
00:48:38,306 --> 00:48:40,787
who have had
extraordinary claims,
1102
00:48:40,830 --> 00:48:43,181
people who've seen
UFOs for example.
1103
00:48:43,224 --> 00:48:46,097
I understand a certain
baseline level of nervousness,
1104
00:48:46,140 --> 00:48:47,533
you're about to say
something that you know
1105
00:48:47,576 --> 00:48:49,927
people are going to
think you're crazy
1106
00:48:49,970 --> 00:48:52,146
and of course, that'll make
you nervous and reticent.
1107
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:53,452
Does Stewart seem
like that to you?
1108
00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:54,888
Does he seem different?
1109
00:48:54,932 --> 00:48:57,369
- He seems different,
he's too sure of himself,
1110
00:48:57,412 --> 00:48:59,675
comparing him to the other
people I've interviewed.
1111
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,026
They sort of struggle
to process this,
1112
00:49:02,069 --> 00:49:04,637
integrate it, understand it,
he claims to have this
1113
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,945
complete overarching view
of how everything works,
1114
00:49:07,988 --> 00:49:11,339
from the illuminati to aliens
from other star systems.
1115
00:49:11,383 --> 00:49:17,128
[dark ominous music]
1116
00:49:17,171 --> 00:49:18,564
Show time.
1117
00:49:20,566 --> 00:49:22,089
- Good job.
- Thanks.
1118
00:49:22,133 --> 00:49:23,699
- Fun times, you got a lot
on the table.
1119
00:49:23,743 --> 00:49:25,440
- What questions would
you have for Stewart,
1120
00:49:25,484 --> 00:49:27,094
I really think
it's important that
1121
00:49:27,138 --> 00:49:28,400
you k every
single one of them.
1122
00:49:28,443 --> 00:49:29,488
- Steve's got a whole
laundry list.
1123
00:49:29,531 --> 00:49:30,619
- Okay.
- Yeah.
1124
00:49:35,581 --> 00:49:37,800
Stewart, Steve Volk,
good to meet you,
1125
00:49:37,844 --> 00:49:39,933
been really looking
forward to this.
1126
00:49:39,977 --> 00:49:41,804
Um...
1127
00:49:41,848 --> 00:49:44,155
I wrote a book
several years ago,
1128
00:49:44,198 --> 00:49:47,071
called Fringe-ology: How
I Tried To Explain Away
1129
00:49:47,114 --> 00:49:49,421
the Un-Explainable- And Couldn't
1130
00:49:49,464 --> 00:49:51,771
and so I come at this
from a perspective
1131
00:49:51,814 --> 00:49:54,687
of being really open
to paranormal claims
1132
00:49:54,730 --> 00:49:57,211
and thinking they should
be taken seriously.
1133
00:49:57,255 --> 00:49:59,866
So, one of the interesting
things to me about this is that,
1134
00:49:59,909 --> 00:50:02,869
normally the program involving
kids, nobody would miss.
1135
00:50:02,912 --> 00:50:08,048
You were different so,
whenever you were working
1136
00:50:08,092 --> 00:50:11,095
in the Montauk Project, your
parents knew where you were?
1137
00:50:11,138 --> 00:50:13,053
- I can't say that they did.
1138
00:50:13,097 --> 00:50:16,796
I can only tell you that there
were times when they said
1139
00:50:16,839 --> 00:50:19,929
they came into my room
and I wasn't there.
1140
00:50:19,973 --> 00:50:21,931
- And so, if they came into
your room and you weren't there,
1141
00:50:21,975 --> 00:50:23,324
that must have
thrown them into a,
1142
00:50:23,368 --> 00:50:24,804
you know, and they didn't
expect you to be gone.
1143
00:50:24,847 --> 00:50:26,066
It must have thrown
them into a panic.
1144
00:50:26,110 --> 00:50:27,807
- Very interesting
question because
1145
00:50:27,850 --> 00:50:31,376
I feel that there was some
kind of dampening field
1146
00:50:31,419 --> 00:50:34,553
or control system
put on the people
1147
00:50:34,596 --> 00:50:36,903
who were in the
house at the time,
1148
00:50:36,946 --> 00:50:39,993
so that they didn't question
whatever they observed,
1149
00:50:40,037 --> 00:50:43,562
it just wasn't a matter of
normal occurrence to them.
1150
00:50:43,605 --> 00:50:44,867
- They just noticed
you were gone
1151
00:50:44,911 --> 00:50:46,304
and not think anymore about it.
1152
00:50:46,347 --> 00:50:48,132
- Not pay any attention to it.
1153
00:50:49,263 --> 00:50:51,439
- Stewart Swerdlow and
the dampening field,
1154
00:50:51,483 --> 00:50:53,137
there's some pretty
way out stuff that
1155
00:50:53,180 --> 00:50:56,140
the CIA wiz kids can do,
but I've never heard about
1156
00:50:56,183 --> 00:50:59,795
anything like a dampening field.
1157
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:02,668
- Your website reads that
you're a gifted hyperspace
1158
00:51:02,711 --> 00:51:05,801
intuitive, able to move
your consciousness beyond
1159
00:51:05,845 --> 00:51:09,240
time and space, to
determine a person's
1160
00:51:09,283 --> 00:51:12,112
foundational mind
pattern upon which
1161
00:51:12,156 --> 00:51:14,767
all our life experiences
are based, right?
1162
00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:16,551
- Look at the blinking.
1163
00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:19,772
That is a classic
sign of nervousness,
1164
00:51:19,815 --> 00:51:22,122
blinking, rapid blinking.
1165
00:51:22,166 --> 00:51:24,559
Steve starts reading
stuff from his website
1166
00:51:24,603 --> 00:51:27,345
and the feeling is, "God, this
guy's checked me out.
1167
00:51:27,388 --> 00:51:29,303
"I'm on the record
saying this stuff,
1168
00:51:29,347 --> 00:51:30,478
"what kind of questions
am I gonna get,
1169
00:51:30,522 --> 00:51:31,871
they're gonna be
hard questions."
1170
00:51:31,914 --> 00:51:33,873
And he starts blinking.
1171
00:51:34,874 --> 00:51:36,049
- First, can you define what it
1172
00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:37,833
means to be a
hyperspace intuitive?
1173
00:51:37,877 --> 00:51:39,661
- It means that you
can move outside of
1174
00:51:39,705 --> 00:51:41,968
physical reality
and see the energies
1175
00:51:42,011 --> 00:51:46,277
associated with the existence
of a person, place and thing.
1176
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,149
- Okay, so I think the big
opportunity for me here is if,
1177
00:51:49,193 --> 00:51:51,804
you know, these things are real
and there are people capable of
1178
00:51:51,847 --> 00:51:56,939
doing this stuff, to see them
do it and have that validation.
1179
00:51:56,983 --> 00:51:59,899
- You want me to do a
reading for you?
1180
00:51:59,942 --> 00:52:02,293
- However brief, however long,
1181
00:52:02,336 --> 00:52:04,512
if you could just give me
something, it would be terrific.
1182
00:52:04,556 --> 00:52:07,298
- Well, I could tell you about
some of your health issues.
1183
00:52:07,341 --> 00:52:08,690
- Go for it.
1184
00:52:08,734 --> 00:52:10,605
- To look at you right now,
straight on,
1185
00:52:10,649 --> 00:52:12,129
I can tell you that
you have an issue
1186
00:52:12,172 --> 00:52:15,915
with the hormonal system,
testosterone level is a bit low.
1187
00:52:15,958 --> 00:52:18,787
You've also issue
with your blood cells,
1188
00:52:18,831 --> 00:52:21,921
are a very low count
in red blood cells.
1189
00:52:23,618 --> 00:52:25,664
- Now you're also able to tell
people when they're programmed.
1190
00:52:25,707 --> 00:52:27,013
- Mhmm.
1191
00:52:27,056 --> 00:52:28,014
Everyone's programmed.
1192
00:52:28,057 --> 00:52:28,971
- Everyone's programmed?
1193
00:52:29,015 --> 00:52:30,364
- Everyone on this planet.
1194
00:52:30,408 --> 00:52:31,887
- So, I'm programmed?
1195
00:52:31,931 --> 00:52:32,888
- Of course, you are.
1196
00:52:32,932 --> 00:52:34,151
- We're all programmed?
1197
00:52:34,194 --> 00:52:35,500
How would we get out of it?
1198
00:52:35,543 --> 00:52:38,503
What's the de-programming
technique.
1199
00:52:38,546 --> 00:52:41,419
- You want me to repeat
volumes of books,
1200
00:52:41,462 --> 00:52:43,072
to tell you how to de-program.
1201
00:52:43,116 --> 00:52:45,249
It involves a lot of things.
1202
00:52:45,292 --> 00:52:46,902
- It's interesting,
because you have
1203
00:52:46,946 --> 00:52:50,079
such a wide base of
knowledge in terms of,
1204
00:52:50,123 --> 00:52:53,518
how people are programmed, how
to remove that programming.
1205
00:52:53,561 --> 00:52:56,608
The relationship of various
alien races to all this
1206
00:52:56,651 --> 00:53:00,481
and yet, we can't get evidence,
1207
00:53:00,525 --> 00:53:04,006
for instance of Montauk
and the project itself.
1208
00:53:04,050 --> 00:53:05,965
- The reason you can't
get physical proof,
1209
00:53:06,008 --> 00:53:07,923
is because if the
government admits this,
1210
00:53:07,967 --> 00:53:09,621
they have to take responsibility
1211
00:53:09,664 --> 00:53:12,232
on all the people
they've damaged and hurt.
1212
00:53:12,276 --> 00:53:15,192
So they're not going to
admit any of this ever.
1213
00:53:17,063 --> 00:53:23,025
- It just-- In past
government conspiracies,
1214
00:53:23,069 --> 00:53:25,898
it just seems like
some sort of denial,
1215
00:53:25,941 --> 00:53:29,467
some sort of effort would
come to stop you now,
1216
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:33,471
when you're at a level before
everybody believes you.
1217
00:53:33,514 --> 00:53:36,778
- They've put me in prison,
they've threatened me,
1218
00:53:36,822 --> 00:53:39,259
they harass me on
a weekly basis.
1219
00:53:39,303 --> 00:53:41,348
Yes, I'm harassed all the time.
1220
00:53:42,349 --> 00:53:43,568
- Let's talk about
the prison thing then,
1221
00:53:43,611 --> 00:53:45,178
when did they put you in prison.
1222
00:53:45,222 --> 00:53:49,922
- They put me in prison in 19...
1223
00:53:49,965 --> 00:53:53,099
92 to 93 maybe.
1224
00:53:53,142 --> 00:53:54,666
- For?
1225
00:53:54,709 --> 00:53:56,581
- One count of bank fraud.
1226
00:53:56,624 --> 00:53:58,539
- You plead guilty
in the case right?
1227
00:53:58,583 --> 00:54:03,196
- I was forced to because
they threatened my family.
1228
00:54:04,632 --> 00:54:07,156
- There is a long
running non-profit,
1229
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,508
called, the Cult Education
Institute run by Rick Ross
1230
00:54:10,551 --> 00:54:12,771
and they have a
public forum where
1231
00:54:12,814 --> 00:54:14,860
people have concerns
about groups,
1232
00:54:14,903 --> 00:54:16,514
can post there possibly-
1233
00:54:16,557 --> 00:54:17,819
- I'm going to interrupt,
I'm sorry...
1234
00:54:17,863 --> 00:54:19,952
- Here we go.
- But that...
1235
00:54:19,995 --> 00:54:21,780
- I don't think I like
the line of questioning.
1236
00:54:21,823 --> 00:54:23,390
- I don't either and that man,
I'll tell you,
1237
00:54:23,434 --> 00:54:26,741
I know exactly who it is,
who has written those things
1238
00:54:26,785 --> 00:54:30,832
and they lie and they
have had problems with us
1239
00:54:30,876 --> 00:54:34,619
and they have attacked us and,
I don't want him addressing it.
1240
00:54:34,662 --> 00:54:36,708
I even myself, have
wrote to Rick Ross,
1241
00:54:36,751 --> 00:54:38,318
to say, "Please take this down."
1242
00:54:38,362 --> 00:54:39,798
- I think he is a fraud.
1243
00:54:39,841 --> 00:54:41,278
- JANET: I don't want
to go there.
1244
00:54:41,321 --> 00:54:43,062
This was supposed
to be about Montauk,
1245
00:54:43,105 --> 00:54:44,411
not to interrogate
1246
00:54:44,455 --> 00:54:46,326
and try and make this into
something it's not.
1247
00:54:46,370 --> 00:54:49,329
- What is your agenda?
1248
00:54:49,373 --> 00:54:51,331
What is your agenda because
your line of questioning
1249
00:54:51,375 --> 00:54:56,902
is quite disturbing.
1250
00:54:56,945 --> 00:54:58,382
ine
1251
00:54:58,425 --> 00:54:59,557
of questioning is
quite disturbing.
1252
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,689
- My agenda is to
ask the questions
1253
00:55:01,733 --> 00:55:04,866
that I think any
reporter would ask.
1254
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:06,781
- NARRATOR: Steve Volk's
interview
1255
00:55:06,825 --> 00:55:09,349
with a self-professed central
player in the Montauk Project,
1256
00:55:09,393 --> 00:55:12,134
Stewart Swerdlow,
devolves into chaos.
1257
00:55:12,178 --> 00:55:13,571
- JANET: I am so angry.
1258
00:55:13,614 --> 00:55:15,312
Christopher, I want you
out of my house.
1259
00:55:15,355 --> 00:55:18,924
[tense music]
1260
00:55:18,967 --> 00:55:20,491
- BARRY: So, that
was different.
1261
00:55:20,534 --> 00:55:22,362
- I've never been kicked out
of anybody's house before.
1262
00:55:22,406 --> 00:55:23,929
In a 20-year career I've never
1263
00:55:23,972 --> 00:55:25,191
been kicked out of
anybody's office,
1264
00:55:25,234 --> 00:55:26,671
I've never been kicked
out of an interview.
1265
00:55:26,714 --> 00:55:29,543
- BARRY: Why do you think
it was different today?
1266
00:55:29,587 --> 00:55:33,678
- I'm convinced that he was
never approached this way before
1267
00:55:33,721 --> 00:55:37,682
by a standard issue journalist
doing standard journalism,
1268
00:55:37,725 --> 00:55:39,945
pulling documents,
asking these questions,
1269
00:55:39,988 --> 00:55:41,773
and he did not know
how to handle it.
1270
00:55:41,816 --> 00:55:43,992
- Okay, so my question
for you two is
1271
00:55:44,036 --> 00:55:47,387
is the Montauk Project
not true because of that?
1272
00:55:47,431 --> 00:55:48,997
- See, that's a great question.
1273
00:55:49,041 --> 00:55:51,173
Just because we may
have uncovered someone
1274
00:55:51,217 --> 00:55:54,568
who was glomming onto
the Montauk allegations
1275
00:55:54,612 --> 00:55:57,484
and finding a way
to grift off that.
1276
00:55:57,528 --> 00:55:59,486
That doesn't mean that
the underlying allegations
1277
00:55:59,530 --> 00:56:01,662
aren't true, this is
just an opportunist
1278
00:56:01,706 --> 00:56:03,577
who's taking advantage,
possibly, right?
1279
00:56:03,621 --> 00:56:05,405
The fact that one person's
taking advantage
1280
00:56:05,449 --> 00:56:07,755
isn't proof that the thing
itself didn't happen.
1281
00:56:07,799 --> 00:56:10,192
So that's part of the challenge
of what we're doing here.
1282
00:56:10,236 --> 00:56:13,413
It's gonna be hard to
find definitive proof,
1283
00:56:13,457 --> 00:56:16,416
positive proof of the
underlying claims.
1284
00:56:16,460 --> 00:56:18,853
- NARRATOR: The underlying
claims of the Montauk Project.
1285
00:56:20,594 --> 00:56:24,076
Abduction of children for
human experimentation,
1286
00:56:24,119 --> 00:56:26,165
a vast mind control program,
1287
00:56:26,208 --> 00:56:27,862
LSD testing,
1288
00:56:27,906 --> 00:56:32,040
and the successful application
of a time-travel device.
1289
00:56:32,084 --> 00:56:35,957
The allegations lead directly
to one Preston Nichols.
1290
00:56:36,001 --> 00:56:38,307
Author of theMontauk Project ,
1291
00:56:38,351 --> 00:56:41,180
Nichols is the lead
protagonist of the legend
1292
00:56:41,223 --> 00:56:44,531
and the most active spokesperson of this enduring mystery.
1293
00:56:45,706 --> 00:56:47,404
The men have secured
a meeting with him.
1294
00:56:47,447 --> 00:56:49,275
Yet before they make
their way to his compound
1295
00:56:49,318 --> 00:56:51,059
in Upstate New York,
1296
00:56:51,103 --> 00:56:53,279
they stop by an old
friend and follower
1297
00:56:53,322 --> 00:56:55,063
whom they hope can
lay the groundwork
1298
00:56:55,107 --> 00:56:57,936
for their most important
interview to date.
1299
00:56:57,979 --> 00:57:01,418
- We're on our way to see a
woman named Doreen Buckman.
1300
00:57:01,461 --> 00:57:03,724
She was at the early
meetings with Preston Nichols
1301
00:57:03,768 --> 00:57:05,944
and Al Bielek at the
psychotronic meetings.
1302
00:57:05,987 --> 00:57:07,772
This happened in the mid 80s.
1303
00:57:09,948 --> 00:57:10,992
- CHRIS: Hi Doreen.
1304
00:57:11,036 --> 00:57:12,385
- How are you?
- Nice to meet you,
1305
00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:13,517
I'm Christopher.
1306
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,083
We're here today to
really talk to you
1307
00:57:15,127 --> 00:57:17,738
about your experiences and
the early psychotronic group
1308
00:57:17,782 --> 00:57:19,305
with Preston Nichols.
1309
00:57:19,348 --> 00:57:21,089
- Preston was a brilliant man.
1310
00:57:21,133 --> 00:57:24,658
You know, his posse of guys
would think he was an avatar.
1311
00:57:24,702 --> 00:57:28,488
He was a genius, he was
very concise when he talked
1312
00:57:28,532 --> 00:57:32,840
and he could take these very
very complex scientific topics
1313
00:57:32,884 --> 00:57:34,886
and really bring them down.
1314
00:57:36,061 --> 00:57:38,063
- I'm gonna show you
the two receivers
1315
00:57:38,106 --> 00:57:40,718
as featured in the Montauk Book
1316
00:57:40,761 --> 00:57:42,633
- NARRATOR: In the
1970s and 80s,
1317
00:57:42,676 --> 00:57:45,592
Nichols was at the forefront
of a mind control movement
1318
00:57:45,636 --> 00:57:49,204
called psychotronics,
a branch of parapsychology
1319
00:57:49,248 --> 00:57:51,076
that claims that
government agents
1320
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,253
use electromagnetic
radiation to transmit
1321
00:57:54,296 --> 00:57:56,864
thoughts and sounds
into people's heads.
1322
00:57:58,083 --> 00:58:00,302
His followers, such as Doreen,
1323
00:58:00,346 --> 00:58:02,827
claim he could do
incredible things.
1324
00:58:04,176 --> 00:58:05,438
- Preston was talking
about the government
1325
00:58:05,482 --> 00:58:07,048
controlling the weather,
and it sounded
1326
00:58:07,092 --> 00:58:09,094
so off the hook to me.
1327
00:58:09,137 --> 00:58:11,705
I'm like, rolling my
eyes thinking really,
1328
00:58:11,749 --> 00:58:13,141
controlling the weather?
1329
00:58:13,185 --> 00:58:15,753
He had this electronic box
with dials on it
1330
00:58:15,796 --> 00:58:18,451
and in less than
three seconds
1331
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:20,975
he changed the
weather in that room.
1332
00:58:21,019 --> 00:58:23,761
And if I wasn't there,
I woulda never believed it.
1333
00:58:23,804 --> 00:58:27,068
All of a sudden it was freezing
like you were in the Arctic.
1334
00:58:27,112 --> 00:58:29,244
It was less than three seconds,
1335
00:58:29,288 --> 00:58:34,336
I was like okay, maybe they
can control the weather.
1336
00:58:34,380 --> 00:58:36,295
- So that really happened,
you felt the change?
1337
00:58:36,338 --> 00:58:37,905
- If I wasn't there,
I would not believe it.
1338
00:58:37,949 --> 00:58:41,779
[dramatic music]
1339
00:58:41,822 --> 00:58:43,389
- CHRIS: I really don't think
there's anything
1340
00:58:43,432 --> 00:58:46,131
I can say to prepare you for
what you're about to see.
1341
00:58:46,174 --> 00:58:50,352
[tense music]
1342
00:58:50,396 --> 00:58:51,832
- STEVE: The Outer Limits.
1343
00:58:51,876 --> 00:58:54,879
- CHRIS: Yup,
The Outer Limits.
1344
00:58:54,922 --> 00:58:58,578
- He's got solar panels,
it looks like a junkyard.
1345
00:58:58,622 --> 00:59:06,107
[suspenseful music]
1346
00:59:06,151 --> 00:59:09,284
I've been to some really
interesting places
1347
00:59:09,328 --> 00:59:12,636
in my time with the CIA,
top secret places,
1348
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,987
and I've also traveled
extensively throughout
1349
00:59:16,030 --> 00:59:17,466
the world.
1350
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:20,208
I have never seen
anything like what I saw
1351
00:59:20,252 --> 00:59:22,559
at Preston's compound.
1352
00:59:24,299 --> 00:59:28,260
- Just a regular pot on my head.
1353
00:59:28,303 --> 00:59:33,526
In order to prevent microwaving
from the satellite system
1354
00:59:33,570 --> 00:59:37,704
over the planet,
you need a solid metal,
1355
00:59:37,748 --> 00:59:41,273
not just a loose metal,
but it has to be solid.
1356
00:59:43,057 --> 00:59:45,451
- So Preston, tell me about
where we are right now.
1357
00:59:45,494 --> 00:59:47,192
What is this place?
1358
00:59:47,235 --> 00:59:50,804
- This is my
metaphysical lab here.
1359
00:59:50,848 --> 00:59:53,633
The mind-amplifying
sound system,
1360
00:59:53,677 --> 01:00:00,161
and all this stuff here forms
a big radionics machine.
1361
01:00:01,380 --> 01:00:03,512
- And what does a
radionics machine do?
1362
01:00:03,556 --> 01:00:08,779
- It uses the quantum
energies of the sound system
1363
01:00:08,822 --> 01:00:13,087
to store into the vacuum tubes
1364
01:00:13,131 --> 01:00:18,049
and I can put my thoughts
through the sound system
1365
01:00:18,092 --> 01:00:21,269
into the vacuum tubes
and reach out
1366
01:00:21,313 --> 01:00:25,491
on a quantum level and
do things, so to speak.
1367
01:00:27,014 --> 01:00:29,234
- Quantum electronics.
1368
01:00:31,932 --> 01:00:33,847
Is that a thing, have
you ever heard of it?
1369
01:00:33,891 --> 01:00:36,502
- So at what point
were you recruited
1370
01:00:36,545 --> 01:00:37,677
for the Montauk Project?
1371
01:00:37,721 --> 01:00:40,071
Do you have a memory of that?
1372
01:00:40,114 --> 01:00:41,507
- 1968.
1373
01:00:41,550 --> 01:00:42,943
- CHRIS: '68?
1374
01:00:42,987 --> 01:00:45,729
- But I'm not too sure.
1375
01:00:45,772 --> 01:00:51,430
See, I have recollections
of going somewhere
1376
01:00:51,473 --> 01:00:55,260
through the teleporter
and ending up
1377
01:00:55,303 --> 01:01:00,265
in an area disassembling
this huge UFO.
1378
01:01:02,136 --> 01:01:04,965
And I thought it
was out at Montauk.
1379
01:01:05,749 --> 01:01:07,185
This board right here,
1380
01:01:07,228 --> 01:01:10,536
this is the Delta-T antenna
terminal interface.
1381
01:01:10,579 --> 01:01:13,670
You can patch the REO
in the RF from here.
1382
01:01:14,758 --> 01:01:15,715
- CHRIS: You worked on the
SAGE radar tower?
1383
01:01:15,759 --> 01:01:17,325
- Yeah, I did.
1384
01:01:17,369 --> 01:01:18,544
- CHRIS: They sent you out
there to do some work--
1385
01:01:18,587 --> 01:01:19,632
- Yeah, to do some work.
1386
01:01:19,676 --> 01:01:21,068
- And at that time,
did you notice
1387
01:01:21,112 --> 01:01:22,635
anything out of the ordinary?
1388
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:25,638
- You know, what they did
is they generated
1389
01:01:25,682 --> 01:01:29,555
another parallel timeline
that I worked on.
1390
01:01:29,598 --> 01:01:33,733
Once I pulled back the memory
of that parallel timeline,
1391
01:01:33,777 --> 01:01:36,127
bang, it all comes in.
1392
01:01:36,170 --> 01:01:39,347
It all comes in as
a confused mess.
1393
01:01:40,348 --> 01:01:42,307
- When did you start to realize
1394
01:01:42,350 --> 01:01:45,266
that this was a mind
control project?
1395
01:01:45,310 --> 01:01:49,314
I know that they were recruiting
kinda runaways and unwanteds.
1396
01:01:49,357 --> 01:01:51,577
- They were taking people
1397
01:01:51,620 --> 01:01:58,497
and they were literally
shattering their minds.
1398
01:01:58,540 --> 01:02:00,020
Cairo New York,
1399
01:02:00,064 --> 01:02:02,022
home to the picturesque
Blackhead Mountains
1400
01:02:02,066 --> 01:02:06,200
and to Preston Nichols, author of the
Montauk Project ,
1401
01:02:06,244 --> 01:02:08,637
a book that claims a deep
government conspiracy
1402
01:02:08,681 --> 01:02:11,118
involving mind control,
time travel
1403
01:02:11,162 --> 01:02:14,208
and the abduction
of teenage boys.
1404
01:02:14,252 --> 01:02:18,212
- They were taking people
and they were literally
1405
01:02:18,256 --> 01:02:19,866
shattering their minds.
1406
01:02:21,172 --> 01:02:24,828
They have this army of
probably a million people,
1407
01:02:24,871 --> 01:02:28,570
that are in reserve,
in the public,
1408
01:02:28,614 --> 01:02:32,792
in reserve ready to be
activated and called on.
1409
01:02:32,836 --> 01:02:35,490
- NARRATOR: Former CIA, Eisler
and journalist, Volk
1410
01:02:35,534 --> 01:02:37,666
are engaged, yet frustrated.
1411
01:02:37,710 --> 01:02:39,320
[sharp exhales]
1412
01:02:39,364 --> 01:02:41,453
They want to see hard
evidence of these claims.
1413
01:02:41,496 --> 01:02:43,324
- There isn't much time left.
1414
01:02:43,368 --> 01:02:46,675
Is there anything
you can demonstrate
1415
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:49,156
as a form of proof
for all the people
1416
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,769
who are going to
doubt your story.
1417
01:02:54,292 --> 01:02:56,076
- NARRATOR: As Volk replaces the filmmaker, Garetano
1418
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,426
in the interview chair,
the no-nonsense
1419
01:02:58,470 --> 01:03:01,081
investigative reporter
jumps right in.
1420
01:03:01,125 --> 01:03:03,040
- Where did you get your
engineering degree from?
1421
01:03:03,083 --> 01:03:04,824
Where'd you actually
get the degree?
1422
01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:09,263
- University of Tampa.
1423
01:03:09,307 --> 01:03:10,612
- Okay.
1424
01:03:10,656 --> 01:03:13,572
University of Tampa Bay,
something I can check.
1425
01:03:13,615 --> 01:03:15,313
So, tell me about
the super soldiers,
1426
01:03:15,356 --> 01:03:17,097
are you aware of any
success stories at all
1427
01:03:17,141 --> 01:03:19,578
with the super soldier
part of the program?
1428
01:03:19,621 --> 01:03:23,234
- I heard about it
when I deprogrammed
1429
01:03:23,277 --> 01:03:26,063
quite a few other guys
on Long Island.
1430
01:03:26,106 --> 01:03:29,893
I heard of these guys
going aboard a ship,
1431
01:03:29,936 --> 01:03:32,547
going another planet,
fighting battles.
1432
01:03:34,027 --> 01:03:35,376
- How do you feel about him?
1433
01:03:35,420 --> 01:03:38,249
- If there's any truth
to any of this
1434
01:03:38,292 --> 01:03:40,991
and the government
wanted to discredit it,
1435
01:03:41,034 --> 01:03:43,950
you could not design
something better than that.
1436
01:03:43,994 --> 01:03:47,519
There's a guy outside,
wearing a cook pot on his head
1437
01:03:47,562 --> 01:03:50,087
and our conversation
was completely normal
1438
01:03:50,130 --> 01:03:52,524
but he's wearing a
cook pot on his head.
1439
01:03:52,567 --> 01:03:55,440
- So, the Montauk Project,
the story as a whole,
1440
01:03:55,483 --> 01:03:58,225
is so fantastic
and what would be
1441
01:03:58,269 --> 01:04:03,491
incredible is to get some kind
of evidence or proof right?
1442
01:04:03,535 --> 01:04:05,929
So, is there any
of that technology
1443
01:04:05,972 --> 01:04:09,019
that you can demonstrate
at this point.
1444
01:04:09,062 --> 01:04:11,978
Are you capable at this point
of building a time machine?
1445
01:04:12,022 --> 01:04:13,719
- Not yet.
1446
01:04:13,762 --> 01:04:15,808
- Not yet, but there was one
built for the Montauk Project?
1447
01:04:15,852 --> 01:04:17,766
- Yeah.
1448
01:04:17,810 --> 01:04:20,639
- You say you have a degree in
electrical engineering right?
1449
01:04:20,682 --> 01:04:22,467
With your background and having
1450
01:04:22,510 --> 01:04:25,862
helped create and
design the system,
1451
01:04:25,905 --> 01:04:27,733
it would seem that
you would have been
1452
01:04:27,776 --> 01:04:30,910
capable of drawing up the
complete schematic right?
1453
01:04:30,954 --> 01:04:32,259
You wouldn't have to
worry about money again,
1454
01:04:32,303 --> 01:04:34,392
all these years that
you had to do this.
1455
01:04:34,435 --> 01:04:36,785
- No, you know what I'd have
to be worried about?
1456
01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:38,439
Being six foot under.
1457
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:44,141
The government does
not want the public
1458
01:04:44,184 --> 01:04:48,580
having any access to a
time device whatsoever.
1459
01:04:50,364 --> 01:04:55,804
As long as the Montauk Project
stays a legend,
1460
01:04:55,848 --> 01:04:58,242
as I say in the book,
you can believe
1461
01:04:58,285 --> 01:05:02,724
it is fact or you can believe
it as a science fiction.
1462
01:05:03,638 --> 01:05:04,813
- One thing that is
really clear to me,
1463
01:05:04,857 --> 01:05:07,033
leaving Preston Nichols'
place is,
1464
01:05:07,077 --> 01:05:10,515
if you consider the man
that Doreen described,
1465
01:05:10,558 --> 01:05:13,910
a kind of avatar,
almost a guru figure
1466
01:05:13,953 --> 01:05:18,175
that people gravitated
toward and if you look at the
1467
01:05:18,218 --> 01:05:20,960
guy that got captured
by Chris on film,
1468
01:05:21,004 --> 01:05:25,573
you can see, decay happening.
1469
01:05:25,617 --> 01:05:27,967
I'm sure that we
did not meet quite
1470
01:05:28,011 --> 01:05:29,403
the same Preston Nichols that
1471
01:05:29,447 --> 01:05:31,405
other people had
met years earlier.
1472
01:05:32,885 --> 01:05:34,278
- NARRATOR: Yet what does
Preston's deterioration
1473
01:05:34,321 --> 01:05:36,715
mean for the Montauk
Project at large.
1474
01:05:36,758 --> 01:05:38,760
Does it make the
tale less valid?
1475
01:05:38,804 --> 01:05:42,199
For the former spook, Eisler,
the answer is obvious.
1476
01:05:42,242 --> 01:05:44,201
- Preston seems to really
believe this stuff
1477
01:05:44,244 --> 01:05:45,463
that he's saying.
1478
01:05:45,506 --> 01:05:46,943
I will say this,
1479
01:05:46,986 --> 01:05:48,379
you don't have to believe
in the supernatural
1480
01:05:48,422 --> 01:05:50,598
or in science fiction
to believe that,
1481
01:05:50,642 --> 01:05:54,559
in fact to know, that
humans do sometimes
1482
01:05:54,602 --> 01:05:57,954
conduct experiments
on other humans.
1483
01:05:57,997 --> 01:05:59,694
- ED BRADLEY: The CIA
does not deny that
1484
01:05:59,738 --> 01:06:01,653
the experiments took place.
1485
01:06:01,696 --> 01:06:03,960
- What most excites me
about this project,
1486
01:06:04,003 --> 01:06:06,919
is the opportunity to
put the allegations
1487
01:06:06,963 --> 01:06:09,966
in historical perspective,
by examining
1488
01:06:10,009 --> 01:06:13,143
the actual history of human
experimentation in America.
1489
01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:16,755
Well, Holmesburg is one of those
1490
01:06:16,798 --> 01:06:19,453
actual instances of
human experimentation.
1491
01:06:21,020 --> 01:06:23,457
- NARRATOR: Holmesburg Prison
in Philadelphia,
1492
01:06:23,501 --> 01:06:26,634
like MKUltra and other sanctioned government programs,
1493
01:06:26,678 --> 01:06:29,420
one's a hot bed for
human experimentation,
1494
01:06:29,463 --> 01:06:31,900
government overreach and access.
1495
01:06:32,684 --> 01:06:34,294
- And the reason
that you are here,
1496
01:06:34,338 --> 01:06:37,558
is because of the infamous
medical experiments
1497
01:06:37,602 --> 01:06:40,822
that took place here
for a quarter century.
1498
01:06:40,866 --> 01:06:42,868
- NARRATOR: Now, the
next stop for the team
1499
01:06:42,911 --> 01:06:45,610
investigating Montauk,
to look for parallels
1500
01:06:45,653 --> 01:06:48,526
and lengths back to Camp Hero.
1501
01:06:48,569 --> 01:06:52,182
- This facility became the
K-Mart of human experimentation
1502
01:06:52,225 --> 01:06:54,880
in Cold War America.
1503
01:06:59,928 --> 01:07:01,756
estigation
1504
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,323
into the Montauk Project.
1505
01:07:03,367 --> 01:07:05,282
While aspects of the
tale at Camp Hero sounero d
1506
01:07:05,325 --> 01:07:08,024
extreme and sinister,
many of its claims
1507
01:07:08,067 --> 01:07:10,461
mirror a pattern of
behavior proven true
1508
01:07:10,504 --> 01:07:12,376
at other government facilities.
1509
01:07:13,855 --> 01:07:15,596
- So many Americans don't know
about these darker chapters
1510
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:17,424
of the country's history.
1511
01:07:17,468 --> 01:07:19,426
These experiments have actually
been done on prisoners,
1512
01:07:19,470 --> 01:07:21,820
orphans, disabled children.
1513
01:07:23,735 --> 01:07:26,607
The question we're
trying to answer is,
1514
01:07:26,651 --> 01:07:29,697
did these things
happen at Montauk?
1515
01:07:29,741 --> 01:07:31,525
- NARRATOR: To help answer it,
the men have arrived
1516
01:07:31,569 --> 01:07:35,094
in the City of Brotherly Love,
the stomping ground
1517
01:07:35,138 --> 01:07:37,879
of investigative
reporter Steve Volk.
1518
01:07:38,750 --> 01:07:40,752
- Alright, fellas, today
we are going to move beyond
1519
01:07:40,795 --> 01:07:44,103
the realm of conspiracy theory
1520
01:07:44,147 --> 01:07:47,889
and into conspiracy fact
and history.
1521
01:07:47,933 --> 01:07:52,155
I wanted to take Chris
and Barry to Philadelphia,
1522
01:07:52,198 --> 01:07:56,333
my hometown, to show
them a conspiracy
1523
01:07:56,376 --> 01:07:58,291
that's still outrageous,
but it's grounded,
1524
01:07:58,335 --> 01:08:00,380
because we know it happened.
1525
01:08:00,424 --> 01:08:02,208
And here are the people
that went through it.
1526
01:08:03,775 --> 01:08:05,603
- NARRATOR: Holmesburg today
is permanently shut down,
1527
01:08:05,646 --> 01:08:09,128
but this massive complex
built in the late 19th century
1528
01:08:09,172 --> 01:08:12,566
was once home to Al Capone,
and is infamous for hosting
1529
01:08:12,610 --> 01:08:16,353
a clandestine bioethics
research project gone wrong,
1530
01:08:16,395 --> 01:08:20,139
where inmates were
used as human lab rats.
1531
01:08:20,183 --> 01:08:27,363
[ominous suspenseful music]
1532
01:08:27,407 --> 01:08:29,540
- BARRY: This is imposing,
look at this.
1533
01:08:29,582 --> 01:08:33,064
Iron riveted doors
about 15 feet high.
1534
01:08:34,327 --> 01:08:35,546
- ALLEN: Gentlemen!
1535
01:08:35,589 --> 01:08:36,286
- Hello there.
1536
01:08:36,328 --> 01:08:37,809
- Allen Hornblum.
1537
01:08:37,852 --> 01:08:39,810
Welcome to Northeast Philly
and Holmesburg Prison.
1538
01:08:41,291 --> 01:08:43,249
- NARRATOR: Allen Hornblum,
author and lecturer,
1539
01:08:43,292 --> 01:08:45,991
ran an adult literacy
program at the prison
1540
01:08:46,033 --> 01:08:48,733
starting in 1971.
1541
01:08:48,776 --> 01:08:52,345
Over time, he witnesses events
that inform his seminal work
1542
01:08:52,389 --> 01:08:56,654
of non-fiction, and a classic
in the field of bioethics,
1543
01:08:56,697 --> 01:08:58,569
Acres of Skin.
1544
01:08:58,612 --> 01:09:00,091
- We've got a scholar
Allen Hornblum,
1545
01:09:00,136 --> 01:09:01,962
who's written an entire
footnoted book including
1546
01:09:02,006 --> 01:09:04,227
interviews with many of the
participants and the victims
1547
01:09:04,270 --> 01:09:06,185
of these studies.
1548
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:09,841
- This facility was
built in 1895,
1549
01:09:09,884 --> 01:09:11,669
the end of the Victorian Era.
1550
01:09:11,712 --> 01:09:16,282
[suspenseful music]
1551
01:09:16,326 --> 01:09:18,850
And the reason that
you are here is because
1552
01:09:18,893 --> 01:09:22,201
of the infamous medical
experiments that took place here
1553
01:09:22,245 --> 01:09:24,203
for a quarter century.
1554
01:09:24,247 --> 01:09:28,337
[suspenseful music]
1555
01:09:28,381 --> 01:09:31,863
This facility became the
K-Mart of human experimentation
1556
01:09:31,906 --> 01:09:34,082
in Cold War America.
1557
01:09:34,126 --> 01:09:37,042
Regrettably, very
few Americans know
1558
01:09:37,085 --> 01:09:40,959
that some very, very
nasty unsavory things
1559
01:09:41,002 --> 01:09:43,221
took place in the name
of science in America,
1560
01:09:43,265 --> 01:09:45,484
not just Nazi Germany.
1561
01:09:45,529 --> 01:09:49,533
The worst case is that
they were applying dioxin
1562
01:09:49,576 --> 01:09:53,363
to the faces and backs
of prisoners here.
1563
01:09:53,406 --> 01:09:56,409
- This is an ingredient in
Agent Orange, is that right?
1564
01:09:56,453 --> 01:09:59,325
- It's the most carcinogenic
1565
01:09:59,369 --> 01:10:02,720
and dangerous part of
the Agent Orange.
1566
01:10:04,374 --> 01:10:06,071
- NARRATOR: Although the doctor behind these experiments,
1567
01:10:06,114 --> 01:10:08,334
Albert Kligman, destroyed
most of the records
1568
01:10:08,378 --> 01:10:11,250
when the program
was exposed in 1974,
1569
01:10:11,294 --> 01:10:14,906
we know the Holmesburg
Prison experiment to be fact.
1570
01:10:14,949 --> 01:10:18,866
Kligman has proudly admitted
to such experimentation.
1571
01:10:18,910 --> 01:10:22,043
His former employers and
the U.S. Army don't deny that
1572
01:10:22,087 --> 01:10:25,133
the tests were conducted
for their research purposes.
1573
01:10:25,177 --> 01:10:27,962
And most telling of all,
a number of patients left
1574
01:10:28,006 --> 01:10:31,618
the prison to tell their first
person stories to Hornblum.
1575
01:10:31,662 --> 01:10:35,883
- ALLEN: This was a room
converted to a laboratory area
1576
01:10:35,927 --> 01:10:37,929
where the doctors kept
a lot of their materials
1577
01:10:37,972 --> 01:10:40,410
and chicals and
things like that.
1578
01:10:40,453 --> 01:10:43,500
- BARRY: What other experiments
were conducted here
1579
01:10:43,543 --> 01:10:45,937
besides just the
dermatological experiments?
1580
01:10:45,980 --> 01:10:47,504
We read about LSD?
1581
01:10:47,547 --> 01:10:51,421
- ALLEN: The Army comes
in here in 1963.
1582
01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:55,425
They're looking for basically
the Manchurian Candidate.
1583
01:10:55,468 --> 01:10:57,992
They're trying to come up
with a chemical that they can
1584
01:10:58,036 --> 01:11:00,995
give an inmate, and then
they can direct him
1585
01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:03,259
to do certain things,
if they wish.
1586
01:11:03,302 --> 01:11:04,477
- So, this was real?
1587
01:11:04,521 --> 01:11:07,088
- Uh, this was real,
it happened here.
1588
01:11:08,438 --> 01:11:09,656
- CHRIS: We talk about the
Montauk Project, and when people
1589
01:11:09,700 --> 01:11:12,442
hear the term
Manchurian Candidate...
1590
01:11:12,485 --> 01:11:14,357
You know, some people
laugh at the idea.
1591
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,750
But now we're sitting in
front of Allen Hornblum
1592
01:11:16,794 --> 01:11:20,058
and he says and
confirms that gentlemen
1593
01:11:20,101 --> 01:11:22,365
were being used at
Holmesburg Prison
1594
01:11:22,408 --> 01:11:24,845
to be turned into
Manchurian Candidates.
1595
01:11:25,977 --> 01:11:28,066
So Allen, the bottom line
is that they were conducting
1596
01:11:28,109 --> 01:11:30,547
mind control experiments
here for sure.
1597
01:11:30,590 --> 01:11:33,593
- ALLEN: Without a doubt,
the U.S. Army Chemical Corps
1598
01:11:33,637 --> 01:11:37,075
was performing mind
control experiments in here
1599
01:11:37,118 --> 01:11:42,733
from 1963 to
approximately 1971, 72.
1600
01:11:44,082 --> 01:11:45,910
- NARRATOR: The men are in
for more.
1601
01:11:45,953 --> 01:11:48,042
Two survivors from
Holmesburg have agreed
1602
01:11:48,086 --> 01:11:49,740
to sit for interviews,
1603
01:11:49,783 --> 01:11:53,613
Edward Yusef Anthony,
and Leodus Jones.
1604
01:11:53,657 --> 01:11:56,790
An impassioned Eisler
decides to lead the charge.
1605
01:11:56,834 --> 01:12:00,054
- When you locked up at night,
a guy comes down the block
1606
01:12:00,098 --> 01:12:02,230
pushing a hand truck,
1607
01:12:02,274 --> 01:12:05,233
with cups of medication on it.
1608
01:12:05,277 --> 01:12:07,714
- They would have you to sign,
1609
01:12:07,758 --> 01:12:10,151
a consent form.
1610
01:12:10,195 --> 01:12:11,457
- Did you ever have an
opportunity to consult
1611
01:12:11,501 --> 01:12:13,503
with a lawyer before
signing that form?
1612
01:12:13,546 --> 01:12:15,069
- No.
1613
01:12:15,113 --> 01:12:17,289
- They coerce you to believe
that the tests are safe.
1614
01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:18,638
- They told you they were safe.
1615
01:12:18,682 --> 01:12:21,032
- Yeah, they tell you
that in, in orientation.
1616
01:12:21,075 --> 01:12:23,295
It's nothing to worry about.
1617
01:12:23,339 --> 01:12:26,080
- They took my forearm,
1618
01:12:26,124 --> 01:12:29,736
and they used some scotch tape.
1619
01:12:30,433 --> 01:12:32,478
And what they would do is,
1620
01:12:32,522 --> 01:12:35,481
put the tape in this area,
1621
01:12:35,525 --> 01:12:37,135
and just stick it, pull it,
stick it, pull it,
1622
01:12:37,178 --> 01:12:39,180
stick it, pull it and
stick it, and pull it
1623
01:12:39,224 --> 01:12:43,837
until they pull off
the top layer of skin.
1624
01:12:43,881 --> 01:12:46,405
And then they would
use the dropper
1625
01:12:46,449 --> 01:12:51,105
to put some kind of liquid
solution in that area.
1626
01:12:51,149 --> 01:12:53,412
- They didn't tell you what
that liquid solution was.
1627
01:12:53,456 --> 01:12:55,458
- Uh, no, they didn't.
1628
01:12:55,501 --> 01:12:57,285
- It was cold.
1629
01:12:57,329 --> 01:13:00,027
And next thing you know, I
could taste it all in my mouth,
1630
01:13:00,071 --> 01:13:02,508
coming from my
bloodstream, you know.
1631
01:13:02,552 --> 01:13:04,815
And I gets to my cell.
1632
01:13:04,858 --> 01:13:08,471
And I stepped in the cell,
I just fell out, boom!
1633
01:13:08,514 --> 01:13:10,168
On the floor, and my
cell partners helped me
1634
01:13:10,211 --> 01:13:11,952
up on the bed.
1635
01:13:11,996 --> 01:13:14,781
And my back felt
like it was on fire.
1636
01:13:14,825 --> 01:13:18,002
So I said, "Man, take these
things off my back, man."
1637
01:13:18,045 --> 01:13:21,179
So, he stripped them off
and put them on the wall.
1638
01:13:22,528 --> 01:13:25,139
Whatever chemical was in
that thing ate the paint
1639
01:13:25,183 --> 01:13:26,227
off the wall.
1640
01:13:26,271 --> 01:13:27,620
- Oh my god!
1641
01:13:27,664 --> 01:13:29,796
- Ate the paint off the wall.
1642
01:13:31,145 --> 01:13:35,759
- What took place in here,
during that period,
1643
01:13:35,802 --> 01:13:39,110
was inhumane, unjust,
1644
01:13:39,153 --> 01:13:42,809
unconstitutional,
1645
01:13:42,853 --> 01:13:46,422
and disgraceful.
1646
01:13:47,901 --> 01:13:49,337
- NARRATOR: The personal
accounts Leodus and Yusef
1647
01:13:49,381 --> 01:13:51,165
share from their
time at Holmesburg
1648
01:13:51,209 --> 01:13:53,733
have a visceral
impact on the men.
1649
01:13:53,777 --> 01:13:55,996
- Can you imagine what that
would have been like?
1650
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,259
Like you're standing there,
witnessing it.
1651
01:13:58,303 --> 01:14:00,000
- How do you rationalize
something like that?
1652
01:14:00,044 --> 01:14:01,393
How do you look in
the mirror and say,
1653
01:14:01,437 --> 01:14:03,787
"I'm one of the good guys,
I'm a good person.
1654
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:05,963
"And that's why I injected a
child with radioactive compounds
1655
01:14:06,006 --> 01:14:07,878
"today, just to see what will
happen, without his consent
1656
01:14:07,921 --> 01:14:10,184
or any sort of informed
consent at all."
1657
01:14:10,228 --> 01:14:12,448
How do you rationalize
something like that?
1658
01:14:12,491 --> 01:14:15,102
I hope more people are
gonna know about this.
1659
01:14:15,799 --> 01:14:17,191
- All the elements are
tantamount
1660
01:14:17,235 --> 01:14:18,932
to the Montauk Project.
1661
01:14:18,976 --> 01:14:22,109
The human experimentation
stuff is almost identical
1662
01:14:22,153 --> 01:14:23,981
and so we have to take
that into consideration.
1663
01:14:24,024 --> 01:14:26,984
We're looking at something
that perhaps once was a thing
1664
01:14:27,027 --> 01:14:29,856
where the victims of
Holmesburg tried to tell people
1665
01:14:29,900 --> 01:14:31,815
and they were
thought to be crazy.
1666
01:14:33,077 --> 01:14:35,645
Maybe the Montauk Project
will be confirmed
1667
01:14:35,688 --> 01:14:38,299
and at some point people
will be visiting and talking
1668
01:14:38,343 --> 01:14:40,301
to victims and they'll
take it seriously,
1669
01:14:40,345 --> 01:14:43,479
much like we do the
Holmesburg Prison experiments.
1670
01:14:45,045 --> 01:14:47,439
- NARRATOR: For that to happen, hard proof of Montauk,
1671
01:14:47,483 --> 01:14:49,310
like which exists at Holmesburg,
1672
01:14:49,354 --> 01:14:52,009
needs to be confirmed
and uncovered.
1673
01:14:52,052 --> 01:14:54,490
Might it come through
the supposed acid rooms?
1674
01:14:54,533 --> 01:14:56,579
Or will that final piece
of definitive proof
1675
01:14:56,622 --> 01:14:58,929
reveal itself from below ground?
1676
01:14:58,972 --> 01:15:02,541
To find out, the men make
their way back to Long Island.
1677
01:15:02,585 --> 01:15:05,022
The scientific results
from the geophysicists
1678
01:15:05,065 --> 01:15:06,763
are finally ready.
1679
01:15:06,806 --> 01:15:11,855
- We found something
really interesting.
1680
01:15:13,073 --> 01:15:15,554
here they started,
1681
01:15:15,598 --> 01:15:17,208
there are two aspects
of this investigation
1682
01:15:17,251 --> 01:15:19,558
that remain outstanding
and could prove
1683
01:15:19,602 --> 01:15:21,691
the Montauk Project true.
1684
01:15:21,734 --> 01:15:24,607
- Here is the colored room.
1685
01:15:24,650 --> 01:15:26,957
- NARRATOR: First,
these pictures and video
1686
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,568
that appear to show rooms
at the former military base
1687
01:15:29,612 --> 01:15:33,311
used for LSD testing and
human experimentation.
1688
01:15:33,354 --> 01:15:35,487
- It wasn't kids who did this,
it's not vandalism.
1689
01:15:35,531 --> 01:15:37,881
It was just, it
was too well done.
1690
01:15:37,924 --> 01:15:40,840
- NARRATOR: And second, the results of geophysical testing,
1691
01:15:40,884 --> 01:15:42,929
undertaken by a
team of scientists
1692
01:15:42,973 --> 01:15:46,411
to try and show some kind
of proof of an underground
1693
01:15:46,454 --> 01:15:49,109
not shown in the
government blueprints.
1694
01:15:49,153 --> 01:15:53,244
[Skype call ringing]
1695
01:15:53,287 --> 01:15:53,766
- Hi, Steve!
1696
01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:54,941
- Hey!
1697
01:15:54,985 --> 01:15:56,943
Thanks so much, I really
appreciate you
1698
01:15:56,987 --> 01:15:58,728
making some time for this.
1699
01:15:58,771 --> 01:16:00,947
- NARRATOR: While waiting
for those results,
1700
01:16:00,991 --> 01:16:03,428
the investigator
Volk spends weeks
1701
01:16:03,471 --> 01:16:06,257
digging into the allegations
about the LSD rooms
1702
01:16:06,300 --> 01:16:09,565
and potential ties to
acid guru Timothy Leary
1703
01:16:09,608 --> 01:16:12,132
among other things
learned along the way.
1704
01:16:12,176 --> 01:16:15,222
He presents his findings
in Garetano's studio.
1705
01:16:15,266 --> 01:16:19,487
- Preston's interesting to me,
because I looked
1706
01:16:19,531 --> 01:16:23,056
to see if he graduated from
the University of Tampa.
1707
01:16:23,100 --> 01:16:25,058
He did not graduate,
where there's no record
1708
01:16:25,102 --> 01:16:27,104
of him graduating from
the University of Tampa.
1709
01:16:27,147 --> 01:16:30,150
But, you know, I did
take his book and show
1710
01:16:30,194 --> 01:16:33,545
the diagrams to a couple
of electrical engineers
1711
01:16:33,589 --> 01:16:36,853
who said these are not
electrical engineering diagrams.
1712
01:16:36,896 --> 01:16:39,029
But in terms of
where that leaves us,
1713
01:16:39,072 --> 01:16:41,031
he's kind of a dead
circuit to us now
1714
01:16:41,074 --> 01:16:44,512
in terms of proving or
disproving the Montauk Project
1715
01:16:44,556 --> 01:16:46,514
because of the
condition he's in.
1716
01:16:46,558 --> 01:16:49,692
So, I went ahead
and called a number
1717
01:16:49,735 --> 01:16:52,564
of psychedelics researchers,
some modern ones,
1718
01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:55,698
David Nutt,
Robin Carhart-Harris,
1719
01:16:55,741 --> 01:16:58,135
Ralph Metzner, who is
80 years old,
1720
01:16:58,178 --> 01:17:01,094
who worked directly
with Leary.
1721
01:17:01,138 --> 01:17:02,705
Metzner said that he
didn't see anything
1722
01:17:02,748 --> 01:17:05,142
particularly psychedelic
about the patterns,
1723
01:17:05,185 --> 01:17:08,580
but Nutt and Carhart-Harris
said they did.
1724
01:17:10,364 --> 01:17:11,844
Hey! There you are.
1725
01:17:11,888 --> 01:17:14,586
I talked to his son Zachary,
1726
01:17:14,630 --> 01:17:17,415
who's begun working
with the archive,
1727
01:17:17,458 --> 01:17:20,592
his archivist Michael Horowitz,
Thomas Lannen,
1728
01:17:20,636 --> 01:17:22,376
who presides over the
archive and runs it
1729
01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:24,030
at the New York Public Library.
1730
01:17:24,074 --> 01:17:26,380
They all said that,
look, the idea
1731
01:17:26,424 --> 01:17:28,600
that he would
knowingly participate,
1732
01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:31,081
and that word's
key, right, the idea
1733
01:17:31,124 --> 01:17:34,084
that he would knowingly
participate in an experiment
1734
01:17:34,127 --> 01:17:36,434
with the military
or the government,
1735
01:17:36,477 --> 01:17:39,306
who would clearly be
thinking to weaponize
1736
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:42,483
the very drug that he
thought should be a tool
1737
01:17:42,527 --> 01:17:47,010
of liberation is just a
total non-starter for them.
1738
01:17:47,053 --> 01:17:48,968
- As far back as I can
remember, you know,
1739
01:17:49,012 --> 01:17:53,190
he stood by his claims
that psychedelics
1740
01:17:53,233 --> 01:17:55,801
were very very powerful
tools that could empower
1741
01:17:55,845 --> 01:17:58,282
the individual to
think for themselves.
1742
01:17:58,325 --> 01:18:00,110
- NARRATOR: In sum,
it appears unlikely
1743
01:18:00,153 --> 01:18:02,286
that Timothy Leary
was in Montauk,
1744
01:18:02,329 --> 01:18:04,462
or had any role at Camp Hero.
1745
01:18:04,505 --> 01:18:06,507
Yet that doesn't
mean acid testing
1746
01:18:06,551 --> 01:18:09,641
or other human experimentation
didn't occur there.
1747
01:18:13,514 --> 01:18:16,517
The men make their way to the
century-old Montauk Manor,
1748
01:18:16,561 --> 01:18:19,433
to meet up with the ground
penetrating radar team.
1749
01:18:19,477 --> 01:18:22,349
The results of their
underground tests are in.
1750
01:18:22,785 --> 01:18:24,961
- We started out
in the bluff area.
1751
01:18:25,004 --> 01:18:27,441
That was an area where
we were specifically
1752
01:18:27,485 --> 01:18:30,749
concerned about any large
buried metallic object.
1753
01:18:30,793 --> 01:18:33,491
With the magnetometer survey
we really didn't find much.
1754
01:18:33,534 --> 01:18:36,015
But the radar was a
lot more interesting.
1755
01:18:36,059 --> 01:18:38,148
On that bluff area,
there was an area
1756
01:18:38,191 --> 01:18:41,238
of a depressed area of soils.
1757
01:18:41,281 --> 01:18:43,153
When we ran the radar over that,
1758
01:18:43,196 --> 01:18:46,286
we got a really significant
change in the response.
1759
01:18:46,330 --> 01:18:48,680
A lot of disruption
to the signal.
1760
01:18:48,724 --> 01:18:51,770
So what that typically
means is that you've had
1761
01:18:51,814 --> 01:18:54,338
some type of excavation activity
1762
01:18:54,381 --> 01:18:56,035
that has occurred
at the property.
1763
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:58,777
Now, we don't know if
the excavation activity
1764
01:18:58,821 --> 01:19:01,780
would have been due
to somebody digging
1765
01:19:01,824 --> 01:19:04,696
and burying something,
or somebody digging,
1766
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:08,744
excavating, taking something
out, back filling the soils.
1767
01:19:08,787 --> 01:19:11,311
- We've heard everything
from stories of barrels
1768
01:19:11,355 --> 01:19:15,794
being interred to, you know,
kids being murdered
1769
01:19:15,838 --> 01:19:19,058
in the experiments and perhaps
buried out there as well.
1770
01:19:19,102 --> 01:19:22,061
So, I'm just curious,
something was buried there
1771
01:19:22,105 --> 01:19:24,716
and then removed or the soil
was disturbed in other ways.
1772
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:26,805
- Definitely the soil was
disturbed, without a doubt.
1773
01:19:26,849 --> 01:19:28,459
- We know something
happened there,
1774
01:19:28,502 --> 01:19:29,852
somebody dug and filled it in.
1775
01:19:29,895 --> 01:19:30,983
But why?
1776
01:19:31,027 --> 01:19:32,115
What purpose?
1777
01:19:32,158 --> 01:19:34,508
That we don't know.
1778
01:19:35,901 --> 01:19:37,250
- CHRIS: The location that
I was actually
1779
01:19:37,294 --> 01:19:39,644
expecting a result from,
and that we're all
1780
01:19:39,687 --> 01:19:41,515
waiting for the
result right now,
1781
01:19:41,559 --> 01:19:43,779
what exactly did you find there?
1782
01:19:43,822 --> 01:19:46,477
- We did electrical
resistivity imaging.
1783
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:48,958
And we found something really
interesting there also.
1784
01:19:49,915 --> 01:19:51,221
- What was it?
1785
01:19:51,264 --> 01:19:52,918
- We were able to
go through an image,
1786
01:19:52,962 --> 01:19:55,573
down to a depth of
just about 60 feet,
1787
01:19:55,616 --> 01:19:58,271
so I was really happy with
the data results there.
1788
01:19:58,315 --> 01:20:00,186
So, we went through
and modeled it up.
1789
01:20:00,230 --> 01:20:01,535
We're starting at
the entrance gate
1790
01:20:01,579 --> 01:20:03,363
at the radar facility,
and then heading
1791
01:20:03,407 --> 01:20:05,670
to that main road
that's to the north.
1792
01:20:05,713 --> 01:20:09,500
What these colors represent
are the resistances of soils.
1793
01:20:09,543 --> 01:20:11,981
And so you can see most of
the area we're looking in
1794
01:20:12,024 --> 01:20:14,897
is in these yellows and blues.
1795
01:20:14,940 --> 01:20:18,204
The two areas of interest
were in this very bright
1796
01:20:18,248 --> 01:20:23,253
red area and then
this dark blue area.
1797
01:20:23,296 --> 01:20:25,298
- CHRIS: How large of an
area is this?
1798
01:20:25,342 --> 01:20:28,432
- The red area is in the
range of, I would say
1799
01:20:28,475 --> 01:20:32,436
between 20 and 30 feet
in diameter.
1800
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:34,917
In terms of depth,
the top of the feature
1801
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:37,702
was probably right
around 20 feet.
1802
01:20:37,745 --> 01:20:40,923
So we're looking at a very
significant structure.
1803
01:20:40,966 --> 01:20:42,489
Yeah, it's pretty deep.
1804
01:20:42,533 --> 01:20:44,883
That means you have soils
in there or earth materials
1805
01:20:44,927 --> 01:20:46,319
that have a lot
of metal in them.
1806
01:20:46,363 --> 01:20:48,669
And so the possible
scenario would be,
1807
01:20:48,713 --> 01:20:52,804
some kind of buried concrete,
reinforced structure.
1808
01:20:52,848 --> 01:20:55,198
- Could it be part of a tunnel?
1809
01:20:55,241 --> 01:20:57,330
Or are you seeing
enough here to tell you
1810
01:20:57,374 --> 01:20:59,593
that there is not
space on either side?
1811
01:20:59,637 --> 01:21:02,466
- Since we're looking at just
basically a vertical slice,
1812
01:21:02,509 --> 01:21:05,338
we really can't tell what's
going on to either side of it.
1813
01:21:05,382 --> 01:21:08,254
- So guys, based
on these anomalies
1814
01:21:08,298 --> 01:21:10,039
you've found here,
what's your best guess
1815
01:21:10,082 --> 01:21:12,780
as to what you're
seeing with this data?
1816
01:21:12,824 --> 01:21:14,870
- I can't think of
any kind of a natural
1817
01:21:14,913 --> 01:21:18,047
geological mechanism
that would be responsible
1818
01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:19,918
for that type of thing,
so the indication would be
1819
01:21:19,962 --> 01:21:21,702
possibly we've got
some kind of buried
1820
01:21:21,746 --> 01:21:23,704
man made structure
in that area.
1821
01:21:25,097 --> 01:21:26,490
- See, there's not supposed
to be anything there,
1822
01:21:26,533 --> 01:21:28,535
so the fact that you've
found that is amazing.
1823
01:21:30,146 --> 01:21:32,322
- GeoView's findings
out by the radar tower
1824
01:21:32,365 --> 01:21:35,891
are more interesting because
the anomaly is larger,
1825
01:21:35,934 --> 01:21:37,805
it's deeper under ground,
1826
01:21:37,849 --> 01:21:40,808
it seems to include
metal of some kind,
1827
01:21:40,852 --> 01:21:43,681
it has the right
conductivity for that.
1828
01:21:43,724 --> 01:21:45,639
The blueprints we've
seen don't show
1829
01:21:45,683 --> 01:21:47,163
any structures under ground.
1830
01:21:47,206 --> 01:21:49,121
So here is an anomaly.
1831
01:21:49,165 --> 01:21:51,210
The question is what is it?
1832
01:21:52,298 --> 01:21:53,821
Is it an underground
tunnel system?
1833
01:21:53,865 --> 01:21:55,649
Or is it just, I don't know,
1834
01:21:55,693 --> 01:21:58,130
a fuel tank or a storage room?
1835
01:21:59,827 --> 01:22:01,612
- NARRATOR: Proof, certainly,
that something large
1836
01:22:01,655 --> 01:22:03,831
exists in the
bowels of Camp Hero
1837
01:22:03,875 --> 01:22:06,530
that's not in the official
government record.
1838
01:22:06,573 --> 01:22:09,620
Yet is it definitive evidence
of the extraordinary claims
1839
01:22:09,663 --> 01:22:11,883
that make up the
Montauk Project?
1840
01:22:11,927 --> 01:22:15,104
For Garetano, it's
proof enough as to why
1841
01:22:15,147 --> 01:22:17,889
he's been obsessed
for over a decade.
1842
01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:20,718
- After all these years,
we've found evidence.
1843
01:22:20,761 --> 01:22:23,112
We've found something
beneath Camp Hero.
1844
01:22:24,417 --> 01:22:25,941
What we're witnessing
is the progression
1845
01:22:25,984 --> 01:22:28,900
towards really proving
this to be true.
1846
01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:30,206
Especially with
the stuff we found
1847
01:22:30,249 --> 01:22:32,208
at the end of our journey.
1848
01:22:32,251 --> 01:22:34,950
I think in the next
five years or so
1849
01:22:34,993 --> 01:22:37,648
we're gonna find out
that this thing happened.
1850
01:22:37,691 --> 01:22:40,564
I really do and I think we're
an integral part to that.
1851
01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:44,307
- NARRATOR: For Eisler and Volk,
1852
01:22:44,350 --> 01:22:46,657
exploring this strange,
mysterious site
1853
01:22:46,700 --> 01:22:49,877
has been a stepping
stone to a larger goal.
1854
01:22:49,921 --> 01:22:51,140
- The fact is the
government has done
1855
01:22:51,183 --> 01:22:52,837
lots of wonderful things.
1856
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,058
America is the greatest nation
in the history of the earth,
1857
01:22:56,101 --> 01:22:59,061
but it's perpetrated
a lot of evil too.
1858
01:23:00,671 --> 01:23:02,847
- What happens is there's
this huge wall of secrecy
1859
01:23:02,890 --> 01:23:05,502
and then what leaks,
what gets past that wall
1860
01:23:05,545 --> 01:23:08,592
are some pretty atrocious
and horrifying programs.
1861
01:23:08,635 --> 01:23:09,680
- NARRATOR: Project Stargate...
1862
01:23:09,723 --> 01:23:10,855
MKUltra...
1863
01:23:10,898 --> 01:23:12,248
Area 51...
1864
01:23:12,291 --> 01:23:13,858
Dugway Proving Ground...
1865
01:23:13,901 --> 01:23:15,947
Operation Seaspray...
1866
01:23:15,991 --> 01:23:18,776
a fraction of the theories and
projects that have all been
1867
01:23:18,819 --> 01:23:22,258
linked, like Montauk, to deep,
dark government conspiracies
1868
01:23:22,301 --> 01:23:23,955
in American history...
1869
01:23:23,999 --> 01:23:25,957
and all worthy of
investigation...
1870
01:23:26,001 --> 01:23:28,264
onThe Dark Files .
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