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- [Narrator] What are UFOs?

Do aliens exist, have they been here before?

These are all questions that researchers in the field

of ufology hope to someday definitively answer.

- Ufology has always been really fascinating to me

because there are these things that are going on

that we get these tiny glimpses of.

It's easy to think somebody's crazy,

but it takes more time and thought to think,

hm, could there be something more to this?

- [Nick Pope] You can't not believe in UFOs.

- [Nick Redfern] Either it's true or somebody

is playing a massive mind game.

(eerie sci-fi music)

- [Danielle] How can you have a thought without a belief?

- [L.A.] Findings are coming out weekly.

- [Nick Pope] I mean, when will we get a disclosure?

- [Nick Redfern] I want the answers.

- [Louis] And I have the proof.

- I worked for the British Government for 21 years

at the Ministry of Defence,

and for much of the early '90s,

my job there was to research

and investigate the UFO phenomenon.

My father was a senior government scientist,

Director of the Royal Air and Nautical Establishment

at Farnborough, and Ministry of Defence

was almost the family business,

so you could say that I just joined the family firm.

- I'm one of these people who has a big passion

and interest in UFOs,

but I've never actually had a UFO encounter.

I got interested because my father was

in the British Royal Air Force, and he was a radar mechanic,

and he was involved in three UFO encounter incidents

in September, 1952.

Interestingly enough, this was at the height

of a NATO operation called Exercise Mainbrace,

and it was a show of strength to the Russians.

You know, you try anything,

we've got all this to fire back at you.

And over the course of three nights,

UFO activity was reported by the personnel

out on the operation.

And so aircraft was scrambled, fighter planes,

some of the pilots reported seeing like classic,

1950s-era, day-the-Earth-stood-still flying saucers.

Others saw these bright lights in the sky,

brilliantly bright lights.

Everybody was told you won't talk about this,

and my dad didn't tell anyone until I was about 12.

And it got me interested, not because it was own father,

but because he was also trained in the military

as a radar mechanic.

- [Narrator] Ufology is the study of reports,

visual records, and other phenomenon related

to unidentified flying objects.

- Well, I think what attracts me to this

is that my thing is really ancient aliens,

but on other planets.

If you look at the moon or you look at Mars,

you can see clear evidence of structures,

of manufactured buildings and pyramids,

and all kinds of stuff.

Signs of ancient civilizations on other planets.

- [Narrator] UFO reports have been subject

to various investigations over the years

by governments, independent groups, and scientists.

- Oh, but if I just find one artificial structure on Mars,

okay, I've proven that either human history

is completely different than they've taught us,

and we were there on Mars a long time ago,

the whole Atlantis thing and our civilization fell,

and now it's rising back up,

or I've proven that aliens exist, one of the two.

So that's what attracted me to that line of things,

that Eric von Daniken, Richard Hoagland line of thinking,

is because it's provable.

- [Narrator] Ufology as a field has not really

been embraced by academia,

and is largely considered a pseudoscience

by the scientific community and mainstream media.

So who are the people who champion and dedicate

their lives to this field of research?

What compels them to keep going

in the face of derision and hardship?

- I wasn't that good a student at school,

I didn't know what I wanted to do,

and as fate would have it, I got a job on,

like a what's on guide in the local town I was living on.

I did a lot of the music stuff.

After working for this magazine, which was called "Zero",

for a couple of years, I thought well why not try and expand

and take the journalistic approach I've done on the magazine

but combine it with research into UFOs.

Take that journalistic approach with aliens.

So I've been sort of actively doing research

for about 30 years.

- [Narrator] With new reports and sightings

mounting on almost a daily basis,

and with many mainstream media outlets reporting

on the phenomenon, perception is beginning to change.

- Yeah, I was about 12 years old, I was at boy scout camp,

and we were taking a shortcut up for lunch

'cause we were really hungry

and I was with three other kids,

there was four of us all together,

and this one guy knew of a shortcut,

and I could take you there today.

It was at Camp Horseshoe, Rising Sun, Maryland,

and it was this kind of uphill dry-creek bed,

boulder to boulder, so it was really kind of fun,

and it was like either in the early spring or early fall,

but the bottom line was we were single file,

hopping from boulder to boulder.

Somebody, one of the kids goes, "Wow, what's that?"

And the other kids go, "Whoa, what is that?"

And I go, "Where?" And they point and they go,

"Oh my gosh, what is that?"

And we're looking at the classic UFO, the classic disk,

hovering in the sky, and the sunlight glinting off of it

for, I would say, at least 20 seconds.

And we're looking at this thing and it just goes like this.

(whooshes)

Just like, I mean, you could follow it,

but it was just like, and it was gone.

We go running back to the camp,

"We saw a UFO, we saw a flying saucer!"

All the kids were gathered around us,

the scout master's come out, (chuckles) that type of thing,

and we told the story, and they were all laughing at us,

and we went to lunch and they laughed more.

And by the dinner hour the other three boys,

"Oh, we just made it up."

And I just start going, "No, we didn't.

"We didn't make anything up, I know what I saw."

It was my first lesson in herd mentality, in groupthink,

and how dangerous that is.

And so, anytime I get a whiff of groupthink,

it's just like, ah, I'm instantly repelled by it.

- The UFO subject matter is sort of the gateway drug

to so many other venues of what is reality?

What are we doing here on this planet?

Asking the big questions.

My curiosity got weaponized,

as my good friend, Jeremy Corbell, would say

when I saw some craft in the sky,

a daytime sighting, back in 2007.

There was a number of kind of like white specks in the sky.

It started with just a handful

and then they started showing up more and more.

The whole sky was sort of peppered with them, you know.

I was like, what the hell is going on here, right?

I felt for sure it was gonna make the mainstream news

that night and the next day, and there was nothing there.

And checking the Internet, checking the seven o'clock news,

I thought for sure everybody could have,

would have, should have seen this event.

Nothing happened, but I kept researching

'cause I was baffled at what I saw

and I wanted to know more.

- [Narrator] Ufologists come from all walks of life.

One thing that they all seem to have in common

is a passion for the subject, but of course,

not everyone in this field started out as a believer.

- When I grew up, the UFO phenomenon was really not

something that was looming large in my awareness.

So when I joined the Ministry of Defence,

and then when I got posted into the UFO project,

I had no real in-depth knowledge about UFOs.

This, to me, was just a government job,

a pretty strange one, I wasn't even really sure

what the deal was, that I knew we did it,

but I wasn't quite sure how or why.

I went into the job, certainly,

and the individual investigations,

we got about two or 300 cases each year.

I went in, certainly, with an open mind,

but I think, intellectually, it was difficult

not to have the view that, look, we're probably

going to find an awful lot of aircraft lights,

weather balloons, meteorites.

Of course, that's exactly what we did find.

The vast majority of sightings,

we found either had a conventional explanation,

the people were sincere enough,

but they'd misidentified something.

- I don't think I'd ever call myself a skeptic

of the phenomenon, but I've been a skeptic of certain cases.

- 80% of the cases, we found that we were dealing

with misidentifications of known objects and phenomena.

In 15% of the cases, we had insufficient information

to make an assessment, in 5% of the cases, unknown.

Now, it was important to say, of course,

unknown did not mean extra terrestrial spacecraft.

I mean, we constantly had to push back against

this kind of UFO equals aliens equation,

which is totally bogus.

I mean, people say, "Do you believe in UFOs?"

It's a meaningless question, you can't not believe in UFOs.

These are, literally, by definition,

things people see and can't explain.

Most of them have conventional explanations, some don't.

With the ones that don't, the extra terrestrial hypothesis

is one of a number of competing theories,

and absolutely, we considered that, we didn't rule it out,

but neither did we have any definitive evidence

that could prove it.

- I've even seen things in the sky that I'm like,

okay, what the heck was that?

So to deny it would be, essentially,

like denying a part of myself and my entire existence,

and it just doesn't feel right.

- Exactly, there is nothing to believe,

it was all very real.

You know, it's not like a religion,

something that you have to be trying to believe.

I'm now 70 years old and I teach my students

incredible experiences breed incredible people

that have incredible wisdom to share.

All over the course of my entire life,

I've been touched by the divine.

And to this day, I do not know if it's a curse or a blessing

because the legacy that all those experiences brought me

is just mind-boggling.

- Two things, I think, began to challenge

my natural skepticism with some of this.

Firstly was delving into the archive of previous files.

Now, the Ministry of Defence had

had a UFO program since 1953.

Before that there had been sightings dating back,

certainly, to the second World War.

And, of course, we had a vast archive of documents

going back decades on all of this,

and I made it my business, when time permitted of course,

to dive into that archive to try and educate myself

about the history of our program.

I didn't want to spend time reinventing the wheel,

what did we already know?

What information did we already have on this?

Could we find patterns, for example, trends?

That was the first thing, I began to realize that,

just as with the day-to-day sighting reports

that were coming in, just as most of them had explanations,

but some didn't, going back through the archives,

we had some pretty interesting cases in there,

which challenged me.

The other thing that I think really made

even more of an impression was,

sometimes a case would come your way

that you would just say, wow,

and one in particular from 1993,

we had a wave of sightings that took place

over large parts of the UK over a period of six hours.

We had police witnesses, we had military witnesses,

I had people describing to me vast, triangular-shaped craft,

moving very slowly, and then in a instant,

accelerating away to the horizon at high-max speeds.

And I had people say to me, Air Force witnesses,

say, "Look, Nick, I work at an airbase,

"I've been in the Air Force eight years,

"I've never seen anything like this in my life."

And so, when you have things like that,

when you do the investigation,

you build up a picture of the particular incident,

when you talk to the witnesses and get their story.

I mean, one person, I remember, literally hours later,

him relaying something and his voice

still shaking with emotion.

A serious career Air Force officer,

who is obviously around fast jets,

fast attack helicopters all the time,

but not the sorts of people to be impressed easily

by speeds and accelerations.

So when those sorts of people get impressed, I listen.

I received about two or 300 cases each year,

though in some other years it went as high as seven or 800.

Now, most of those reports came from the public,

but some came from pilots, police officers,

military personnel, radar operators.

It was those sorts of people that we paid more attention to.

Now, that's not to say,

I don't want to sound patronizing here,

and it's ridiculous to think no good information

can come from the public, particularly if you're trying

to do a proper intelligence assessment, where the thing is,

you're not just investigating a single case,

but you're trying to piece together the puzzle.

Draw connections, look for commonalities,

and there, absolutely, you need the public reports too,

but, inevitably, when you get say an Air Force pilot

sitting down and saying, "Okay, Nick, this is what I saw."

And then when the radar operator comes forward and says,

"Oh, yeah, we tracked it on the radar too,

"and here's the data."

That's the sort of thing that is

much more interesting to me.

- Well, you know, I mean, again, it comes to,

obviously Roswell's a big one,

but I think you can also make a compelling argument

that Roswell might have, in fact, been secret United States

Flying Wing Squadrons that had an accident.

You know, secret space program type stuff

that happened in the desert, that's obviously a classic,

but the Government did come out and say,

"We have a flying saucer," and then they retracted it,

so that's what makes it, I think, really significant.

In terms of other cases, Travis Walton's abduction case

is unassailable because you had five or six,

seven witnesses, all of whom passed lie detector tests,

and I think it's really hard to argue

with the evidence presented in the Walton case.

So those ones are some of my favorites.

You know, some of the other ones, Rendlesham Forest

and the Phoenix Lights, I'm kind of tired of talking about.

There's nothing new on them,

and they are good cases, but they're not really, to me,

they're not super compelling to me anymore

because I think we've squeezed all the blood

out of those turn-ups.

- The British Government has fairly recently completed

what was an 11-year program to declassify

and release most of its UFO files.

About 60,000 pages of documentation have been released,

some of which was classified secret, UK eyes only.

A lot of the material in there is fairly mundane.

People out seeing vague lights in the sky,

but if you're prepared to go through that material,

you will find case after case after case

where you have sightings from pilots,

radar operators simultaneously tracking these things,

jets scrambled, pilots trying to intercept,

but the UFOs performing speeds and maneuvers

that seemed significantly ahead of our own capability.

And those are the sorts of cases

that I was most interested in.

I suppose in the lifetime of the MOD's UFO Program,

there were probably something like 12,000 cases,

so hundreds and hundreds of cases

where you had good quality witnesses,

pilots, police, military, radar, that sort of thing.

Britain's most compelling UFO incident

was probably Rendlesham Forest, December, 1980.

A UFO actually landed in the forest

that lies between two military bases,

Bentwaters and Woodbridge,

and over three consecutive nights,

multiple military witnesses see a UFO.

On the first night in lands and some of them get so close,

they touch the thing and they even see symbols on the side.

Subsequently, and we're always looking, of course,

for the things that move this from beyond a story

into something that can be corroborated.

Well, there was a landing site, of course,

so people went there and they went with the Geiger counter.

Radioactivity levels were found,

which were assessed by our own scientific

and technical intelligence people

as being significantly higher than the average background.

There were indentations in the ground

where this thing had apparently landed

on some sort of tripod-like device.

There were burn marks, scorch marks on the sides

of the trees in the small clearing

where this thing had come down.

So there was something over and above the testimony

of the military personnel themselves.

On the final night of these three nights,

the deputy base commander, finally,

he got fed up, he heard that the UFO had returned again,

so he threw together a small team of witnesses,

and he went out, as he put it, "To debunk this nonsense."

And he ended up seeing the UFO himself.

So, here you have a colonel, who was a complete skeptic,

going out to debunk the story, seeing this thing,

as he put it, "Performing extraordinary speeds

"and maneuvers in the sky as if

"it was conducting a grid search."

Firing a narrow beam of light down at the ground

in front of him and his team.

And he said, thinking back to this,

"Was this a weapon, was this a warning,

"was this communication, what was it?"

He didn't know.

When I ask him, "Well, what do you think it was?"

He says, "Well, Nick," he said,

"I don't know what it was,

"but whatever it was, it was under intelligent control."

And so, when you have, consistently, cases like this,

multiple military witnesses, physical evidence,

and then this UFO was briefly tracked on radar,

but here I'm talking about the radioactivity levels

at the landing site, that soil samples were taken,

parts of the trees were taken back for analysis,

things like this, I think, began to change my mind.

This was a case, I did a cold case review on that.

It had happened before my time,

but it was the sort of thing in our files

that leapt out at me and made me think, wait a minute,

this is not just aircraft lights and weather balloons,

there's something over and above that.

There's a phenomenon that we haven't yet got a handle on.

Other cases that interested me,

and actually caused me some considerable concern,

we had a surprising number of fairly near misses

between commercial aircraft and UFOs.

And I remember a case, Manchester, 1995,

a UFO passed down the side of a commercial aircraft

at height of about 9,000 feet,

and the pilot and the copilot were so concerned

that they almost instinctively flinched and ducked

as this object came so close.

Another time, somebody thought that maybe we

accidentally fired off a surface-to-air missile or something

and the pilot, again, shouted, "Look out, look out!"

And assumed a bracing position.

And these are commercial aircraft

with hundreds of people onboard,

so cases like that in the British Government's

UFO files, other countries around the world,

pilots seeing these things,

radar sometimes corroborating that, yes,

there was an uncorrelated target.

These sorts of cases moved me from just dismissing all this

as nonsense to saying something's going on.

Not saying it's necessarily extra terrestrial,

though certainly can't rule that out,

but something over and above just misidentifications,

hoaxes or delusions.

- [Narrator] Who are the Men In Black?

- On the matter of cases that I might have in my files,

and which haven't really sort of seen the light of day,

I think the ones that I've got more than anything else

relate to one of my most favorite things to write about,

that's the Men In Black mystery.

People think of the Men In Black, they think of Will Smith

and Tommy Lee Jones, you know,

but the movies were based on real cases,

but they kind of just turned it

into a comedy adventure stories,

but the movies were fun but they weren't like the real

Men In Black who were actually described

as like really pale skinned and scrawny and Gorns,

and they have these bulging eyes that they hide

behind these wrap-around sunglasses,

and they don't actually look fully human,

they almost look like a hybrid.

And I've got a lot of cases like that

where people have seen UFOs,

two days later there's a knock on the door,

or even the evening, and they open the door

and there's this weird guy in a black suit

and an old 1940s-style fedora hat,

looking like a manikin out of a shop.

I've got a lot of cases where people

have been threatened and silenced,

and also when they're in proximity of the Men In Black,

they actually felt as if they were being drained

of their energy, as if they were like a psychic vampire

just draining their energy and their life force.

I've got so many really weird MIB cases

that some of them I've been able to put

into the public domain, into books,

'cause I've actually done four books on the Men In Black,

and one on the lesser known Women In Black cases,

which are similar.

- We did receive reports not just of UFOs,

but entity encounters, close encounters of the third kind.

Some abduction accounts.

We didn't get as many as one might suppose,

and I think people reporting that were more likely,

perhaps, to report those sorts of cases

to civilian UFO research groups.

- My connection with extra terrestrials

started when I was six years old.

I am what you call ADHD.

I was born with a tremendous amount

of physical and intellectual energy.

And by the way, ADD is not a disorder,

it's actually a gift, Einstein was ADD.

We didn't have electricity, we didn't have running water,

all the windows in the house were broken.

Going to the attic was like going to hell for me.

It was cold and I was always hoping that

before going there, I could get a cat,

because I could get the warmth from the cat.

That night, I was really upset, there was no cat,

so I knew it was gonna be cold.

I went to bed and my mom was saying to me,

"Louis, make sure to bLow your candle, okay?

"We don't wanna put the fire in the house."

Say, "Yeah, yeah, mommy."

And in the middle of the night,

first time that I dealt with extra terrestrials,

I felt something on my feet, so I thought it was a cat.

So I say, yes, I kick it, trying to get it to come up

because I didn't wanna lose the warmth

that I had accumulated under my little blanket.

Didn't move, so I say, ah, try it again, it didn't move.

So I said, I have to go and get him.

So I just sat on my bed and oh my God.

For the first time in my life, I have seen the grays.

What I did when I first saw them, I hided,

'cause that's initial response, you know.

I was traumatized, what the hell is this?

Then I get a little bit more courageous

and I kind of peep, and one of those entities

was less than two inches from my face, big eyes.

I freaked out, I literally freaked out

and passed out of fright.

And this happened so many times.

Each time I was punished I used to see those entities.

The good thing about it is that I was okay the next day.

I was always okay the next day,

so I got used to it, put it this way.

Incidentally, in 1956, there was quite a lot of reports

coming from Russia of those type of monkey,

ETs, for lack of words, to the eye of a six year old.

They were, you know, little monkey with big eyes,

that's all I knew.

So that was my introduction

to the world of extra terrestrials.

- Many of the people out there in the community

thought that we in the Ministry of Defence

already knew about all this,

and were actively part of a conspiracy to cover it up.

If people were reluctant, as they sometimes were,

fearing ridicule, fearing disbelief,

not wanting to be seen to waste government time,

perhaps thinking we already knew about it

and were covering it up.

If those people were reluctant to report a UFO,

they were much more reluctant to report an entity encounter

or an abduction, but we did get cases.

I opened a small file to try and draw together

some of this material, and that file's out there,

it's pretty far out, I have to say.

I wonder with some of that whether we aren't dealing

maybe with imagination and delusion, and perhaps hoax.

A little bit more than say the military cases

where we've got the pilot testimony, the radar data,

maybe we've got photographs and videos that I can

then take to Intelligence Community imagery analysis.

I can get the imagery analysis,

resources and capabilities put on that,

and we can secure a proper scientific assessment.

So you can't really do that with these

close encounter of the third kind reports.

So all I could really say was that, yes, we got some cases,

I was aware of many more in the UFO literature,

but it's the old the joke in the

intelligence analysis community, interesting if true.

That was about all we could say by way of an assessment.

- [Narrator] For decades, UFO enthusiasts

have claimed the government is warehousing crashed UFOs,

and possibly aliens at Area 51,

part of an Air Force base in Southern Nevada.

- There's no doubt that sort of beginning

in the latter part of the 1980s,

the big story out of all UFO stories from that era

was the Bob Lazar story.

- Bob Lazar is an interesting character.

Of course, in 1989 he came forward,

interviewed by investigative journalist, George Knapp,

said I worked at Area 51 and one of the things

that I worked on there was trying

to reverse engineer alien technology.

And he talked about UFOs that were kept at Area 51,

that maybe some of these were extra terrestrial,

maybe some of these were things

that we had designed ourselves, but based on alien tech.

I'm going to fall back on the old intelligence analyst joke

of well, interesting if true.

Being about all I could say on something like that.

- A lot of people may not know that Area 51

is actually a portion of what's called

The Nevada Test and Training Range, the NT&T,

and Area 51 is literally a portion of it.

And Lazar said, for a brief period,

he worked on trying to back engineer

and understand alien technology

to see if we could replicate it.

Probably for military purposes

because that's the inevitable way it would go.

There are two avenues, if you like,

that most people in ufology go down.

There are those who fully believe what Bob says,

and those who think it's a hoax.

Well, one of the interesting aspects, for me at least,

is the idea that he was used as like a patsy,

and he may have been used unwittingly.

I don't think he was a hoax or anything like that,

but I do think he could have been unwittingly used

in a program designed, possibly,

to essentially tell the Russians,

hey, we've got crashed UFOs, dead aliens,

we're working on super extra terrestrial energy drives,

and so on, as a means to freak out the Russians.

Well, how do you do that?

Well, you get the ultimate patsy

and you expose that person to strange craft

which could've been sophisticated mock ups,

and then the Russians are like, oh my God,

they really do have this, what are we gonna do?

We've got nothing like this.

And so, well, then they send Russian agents and operatives

and spies to try and figure out what's going on.

And then American intelligence sits back then,

waits for these Russian guys to get too close,

and then they snare them in.

And no real secrets have been lost.

Instead, you've reeled them in

with fabricated stories of UFOs.

Now, I'm not saying that is the answer,

but I do think that is, to a degree, a common sense scenario

that could be played out,

but on the other hand, I could sit here and say,

I cannot deny that there isn't crashed UFOs

and dead aliens, or even live aliens, in Area 51,

as some people have suggested.

I could be 100%, and one day, you know,

the aliens will come wobbling out of Area 51

across the desert toward us, that could happen.

- It's a story that is interesting,

I think we can prove that, absolutely for a time,

he did indeed work at Area 51 as a contractor,

but whether his expertise in terms

of some of the exotic physics that's been talked about,

I think you'd have to put him together

with someone like Michio Kaku and see whether that works

in terms of does he really talk that language?

With recent, I suppose, pop culture phenomena,

such as the let's Storm Area 51 movement from 2019,

and some of the recent revelations

about the Nimitz encounter, the AATIP program,

it's almost, it has, I won't say it's

proven Bob Lazar's claims,

but it's certainly brought him back into the spotlight

and, rightly, I think it has led to a call

that we reassess his claims.

- In my view, one of the big problems with Area 51

is there are so many people in ufology

who not only do believe, or accept,

that there could be UFOs and aliens,

dead or alive, or both, at Area 51,

but they also want that to be the answer.

They don't want it to be next generation stealth aircraft.

Why not? Because it's not as exciting as aliens.

If you cross that line, you've crossed the line,

and you should not cross the line.

And I think there is sometimes a lack of wanting

to approach every angle instead of I just wanna look

at the aspect that really excites me.

And I get that, that's just human nature.

Whatever the answer is that's going on in Area 51,

I'll be satisfied if we can get the answers,

I want the answers, not just the stories.

- In the light of what we see with the videos,

the so-called Tic Tac, do some of Bob Lazar's claims

deserve a second look?

I think the answer to that is absolutely yes.

- Over the years I've sort of, I guess, you know,

you get a bit older and a little bit more cynical,

but you don't lose the enthusiasm for it.

I do sometimes think if the whole Area 51

is like a mind game kind of scenario

for obscure disinformation, counter intelligence operations,

maybe one day the aliens will be reeled out,

the UFOs will be reeled out,

and we'll finally know that Area 51 really is

like a place, an area, where the aliens really exist,

and according to some,

sit around guzzling strawberry ice cream,

which is one of the theories that's been

around for a long time, they love strawberry ice cream.

I'm like, what's wrong with chocolate ice cream, you know?

- Up until December, 2017, if you had asked the

United States Government for a line on UFOs,

what do you think, what do you know?

You would've been told this,

nobody's interested in this subject, nobody's investigating.

Nobody has investigated since the end of 1969

when the old United States Air Force program,

Project Bluebook, was terminated.

It turns out that that was not correct.

In December, 2017, the New York Times published a story

exclusively revealing that despite the denials,

the United States Government did have a program

looking at UFOs and this was called AATIP,

Advance Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

A UFO program so cleverly concealed

it didn't have the phrase UFO anywhere in its title.

In parallel with the revelations about AATIP

emerged a story of something that had

certainly interested AATIP, and been investigated by them,

some sightings involving the US Navy,

and specifically, three videos of Navy jets chasing UFOs.

There were two separate incidents.

One had happened in 2004 on the west coast of the US,

and involved the USS Nimitz.

The second incident had taken place

on the east coast in 2015.

Now, these three videos were made public,

and they fundamentally changed the narrative

about the UFO phenomenon.

Previously, I think the subject was regarded as fringe,

this brought it into the mainstream.

Suddenly this was being discussed not just on various

sort of fun, lighthearted, late-night talk shows

and conspiracy blogs on the Internet, and things,

suddenly it was in The Times, The Post, Politico, The Hill,

it went from fringe to mainstream.

And it went because of these US Navy encounters,

the three videos, and revelations

concerning The Pentagon's AATIP Program.

In association with this we've seen congressional interest,

the Armed Services Committee,

the Homeland Security Committee, the Intelligence Committee.

They've all taken a look at this.

The president has, on two occasions,

been specifically asked about this,

and despite expressing a degree of skepticism,

has said, yes, I attended a meeting on this, a briefing,

and that, as he put it,

"Our fine pilots are seeing these things."

There does seem to be something a little bit different

this time around, and as he put it, "We're watching."

- Either it's true, or somebody within the government,

for reasons we don't fully understand,

is playing a massive mind game.

It could be we're being fed stuff to actually expose us

to the fact that aliens are there.

Or it could be to see how easy it is to play

and screw with the human mind.

- [Narrator] 68% of people today believe

that the government is withholding information about UFOs.

- There are some fascinating statements that have been made

about these encounters.

One of my favorites actually comes from one of the pilots

who first saw this, David Fravor,

and he said, "I don't know what it was,

"but I sure as heck wanna fly one."

And so, when somebody who flies F-18 Super Hornets

for a living, when someone like that gets impressed

by speeds and maneuvers,

then I think we should all sit up and take notice.

Two of the other statements that really struck me

were in June of 2019, a number of senators

went on the record as saying that they had received

classified briefings on some of this.

One of the senators came out of that briefing

and he looked, I think, quite stunned,

and he said, "Look, I've just had a brief,

"but it's classified, I can't get into any of it."

Another senator came out and she said,

"Yes, I've been briefed, again, it's classified,

"I can't discuss it," but she went on to say,

"If you were to ask me, do I believe in UFOs?

"I would say, well, there are some things

"that have not yet been satisfactorily explained."

This is unprecedented.

Yes, back in the '60s, there had been

some congressional hearings on this,

but to have Armed Services Committee,

Home and Security Committee, Intelligence Committee,

all looking at this behind closed doors briefs,

where people aren't even able to come out

and give you an unclassified summary, and that's telling.

Normally with most subjects, people will come out and say,

look, I can't go into the details because it's classified,

but, you know, at unclassified level,

let me tell you this is what we're dealing with.

We didn't get any of that and that's interesting.

- I think there could be a mind game aspect to all of this,

that a lot of people in ufology don't

think about things like this, they just talk about cases.

They don't think about well,

why did that retired general speak to you?

Did he really just wanna get it off his chest?

Or was somebody guiding him to try and push you away

from something that is genuinely good.

A lot of people don't think about all those things,

but I do.

- People say that governments lie all the time,

and that's really not true, certainly not in my experience.

In my entire 21 years in the Ministry of Defence,

I was never instructed to tell a lie,

I never knowingly told a lie.

If a politician in the United Kingdom was caught say

deliberately misleading Parliament,

the absolute convention was that

that was a resigning offense, you would have to go.

Generally speaking, they'd be no way back for you.

These are career-ending scenarios.

That's not to say governments don't dissemble.

They, maybe you could say, lie by omission.

They absolutely spin, I mean, it's all about, sometimes,

smoking mirrors, slight of hand, misdirection,

you talk up the good news story that you want to push,

you downplay, or maybe even sidestep completely,

the bad news, but you don't outright lie.

Now, I know a lot of people disagree with that.

A lot of people probably watching me say this

and say, oh, that's nonsense, politicians lie all the time.

But, really, I don't think they do.

Even when you think they do,

and even when some political commentators say, it was a lie,

it tends not to be, it tends to be all in

interpretation of details.

When people say, do we have more jobs now?

Are more people in employment?

Well, you know, you've gotta factor in a whole bunch

of variables with this in terms of the size

of the working population,

whether those jobs are full time or part time,

so there's always a debate to be had.

So when people say governments lie,

whether it's on UFOs or anything,

not in my experience they don't.

They're very clever and sometimes you've really got to know

how to speak the language to go over things,

the statements with a fine-tooth comb,

and say, well, that's fine, but what about this?

And very often if you push back against something,

and you know you're getting somewhere

when someone comes back and says,

oh, we don't have any further comment on that.

But lies, not so much.

- Well, certainly, there's stories about presidents

and UFOs all along the way.

We have the Richard Nixon-Jackie Gleason story,

where he took the famous comedian to,

I think it was Eglin Air Force Base in Florida

and showed him the frozen, preserved bodies of aliens.

Nixon knew about it, you can make a very strong case,

as I do, that President Kennedy

knew about the alien presence.

You have Jimmy Carter saying he saw a UFO,

you have President Regan constantly referring to,

wow, how united would we be if we were confronted

with an invasion from outside.

- A number of other presidents have been asked about it

and have made statements.

Sometimes these statements have been done

after their term as president, or term or terms,

and sometimes it's been on late-night chat shows,

and they've kind of played it humorously.

- We had President Obama was asked about aliens

and he made some joke about, oh, yeah, yeah,

I'll get you that stuff later,

and then you have President Trump who's been asked directly

about aliens on a couple of occasions

and has admitted that he's been briefed on it.

So we're in a brave new world, whether we realize it or not.

I think that people underemphasize the importance

of that response, no president has ever admitted

that he's ever been briefed on aliens or UFOs.

So that's a huge step and I think we're just moving

towards an inevitable climax where we will get

something that's undeniable.

- One of the most intriguing things when it comes to UFOs

is that sightings are made all around the world.

It's not just the US or the UK or Australia, whatever,

it's a global phenomenon.

- Many other countries have UFO programs of their own,

and we know from both intelligence sources

and from open source material, like the media,

that many, many different countries have, for years,

run programs, researching and investigating.

Some countries we know more about than others,

but many nations have now done

what the United Kingdom has done

and declassified and released much of this material.

- When you can put together a huge body of data

where so many of the cases mirror other reports

from the other side of the world,

and mirror cases that might be 50 years ago,

then you see patterns and trends.

And I think that's one of the most important

aspects of the research,

is not just to focus on this area or that one

because it's convenient to do that,

but look at how the patterns are developing elsewhere.

For that reason, I think it's important

to look at the global aspect of it,

and that's what I've done with my latest book,

"Flying Sources from the Kremlin,"

which looks at some UFO Russian cases,

but also as to how the Russians tried to manipulate

the UFO phenomenon by creating bogus UFO stories

to try and freak out The Pentagon.

- People say this subject is very US and UK centric,

and it is because a lot of this is English speaking.

Two nations that we know are doing a fair bit

are Russia and China, and they're bound

to be important players in this,

but because of not just language,

but of course, the nature of those regimes,

and the inherent secrecy, and the mistrust of the West,

and the lack of openness and information sharing,

we really don't know much about what's going on

in Russia and China,

both in terms of the sightings, the casework,

but also, of course, most importantly to me,

in terms of what the governments know

and think about the phenomenon,

how they handle this in terms of policy.

Geopolitics can't be taken out of the look at the phenomenon

and even amongst allies, there's disappointingly,

surprisingly and disappointingly, little collaboration.

When I was running the British Government's Program,

we didn't just pick up the phone and talk to our allies

and say, send us your best cases,

and pop over for meetings about what we thought.

No, this was kept on a strictly national basis.

- Sometimes it can be a challenge to get information

from faraway nations, it's not the easiest thing to do.

I mean, you know, the UK and the US have both got

Freedom of Information Acts, as has Brazil and Australia,

and numerous other countries as well,

and you can liaise with the researchers there

and share data, and that works well,

but sometimes it can be so difficult,

countries, nations, are isolated.

There might be just a couple of researchers

in their entire country,

nevermind the local county or whatever.

You have to push and push and make connections elsewhere,

and try and put a picture together,

because I think, so often, what happens,

you can have fragmented tales,

and somebody's got a little story here and there,

but if you put all the material together

then you could see a pattern develop,

and that's what I try and do.

You know, look at, say, reports from India,

and then the next week you look at reports from Brazil.

Maybe Canada the next week and Argentina the next.

And look at the similarities between the cases,

and it's kind of like a police officer

looking into a case involving like a serial killer,

they look for the threads that are followed in each murder.

Well, we kind of do that in ufology,

you look for the similar threads.

- If you look at history, if you go back hundreds of years,

maybe thousands, if you get into ancient astronaut theory,

the idea is that they have always been with us

since the dawn of time.

They've guided us, shaped us,

some people even say created us.

We've worshiped them as gods, feared them as devils.

So you can go back hundreds of years

and find various people, historical figures,

who have certainly seen strange things in the sky

that nowadays we would call UFOs.

Whether it's Alexander The Great, whether it's Constantine,

whether it's Christopher Columbus,

some of these great figures have seen UFOs,

and of course, they didn't use that phrase.

They would talk about fiery crosses in the sky,

or lanterns on or under the ocean.

You can only use the language and conceptual ideas

you have available to you, so when we say things like UFO,

it's just a word, it's just a phrase, it's a label.

We see these things through our individual eyes,

we perceive them through our culture, our belief system.

If a shadowy figure appears at the foot of your bed,

if you're religious you might think it's an angel.

If you're interested in the paranormal,

you might think it's a ghost.

If you're interested in UFOs,

you might think it's an abduction experience.

So these are perhaps the same phenomena,

but perceived and interpreted

through the individual language, culture,

and belief system of the witness.

- [Narrator] The Miracle of the Sun,

also know as the Miracle of Fatima,

is reported to have occurred on October 13th, 1917,

attended by a large crowd who had gathered

in Fatima, Portugal.

Newspapers published testimony from witnesses

who said they had seen extraordinary solar activity,

such as the sun appearing to dance or zig-zag in the sky,

careering towards the Earth,

or omit multicolored light and radiant colors.

According to these reports,

the event lasted approximately 10 minutes.

Some describe it as a religious event or an act of God.

Others believe it was UFOs.

- It was a UFO event.

We've got too much witness testimony

from the hand-written 1917 documents,

which are tucked away at the sanctuary in Fatima,

written by Father Ferreira,

who was the parish priest in Fatima,

who went to the witnesses and took their testimony,

it's hand written, and de Almeida had access

to the sanctuary in the 20th century,

and she took a tape recorder and just read everything.

Couldn't write, couldn't take pictures,

but she just read as fast as she could in the tape recorder.

And then later on, would disseminate.

And what she realized is that, wait a minute,

the witnesses are telling us something completely different

than what we've heard, the idea of the spinning sun

and the miracle and the blessed Virgin Mary.

All this was basically concocted about 11 years

after the event by the Catholic Church.

The whole event was dressed up in, the secrets of Fatima,

there are no secrets of Fatima.

That comes later when Louchier has been hustled off

to a convent and she's now 18, 19 years old,

this happens at 28 where she begins,

and guess what the first one is?

Consecrating rushes to the sacred heart of Mary.

Well, you know, this is a three hour theological discussion.

Mary does not have a sacred heart, first of all.

If you read the biblical narrative, she says,

"I'm a sinner like everybody else."

So, yeah, she's the God barer, I get all that,

and she's blessed among all women, I understand that,

but it wasn't Mary that appeared to the kids,

the entity had a very short dress on,

had this weird kind of cloak thing,

and was holding some sort of a ball.

All that's been dressed up.

But you go back, in the 1917 hand-written documents

and it's a whole different deal.

We have the photograph that was taken by Joshua Benoliel

in the field at Fatima on October 13th, 1917, we've got it.

And Jose Machado was the man who actually went into,

he had access to the archives in Fatima,

and was able to handle the original glass plates,

the original glass plates, okay.

And he's looking at these things,

and he went on record and said

that these are not chemical burns,

they're not smudges, they're not scratches,

whatever this thing is, it's intrinsic in the photograph.

And there's actually three other photographs,

which he was not allowed to reproduce,

but he told us about them, that had the object in it too.

And the object is clearly a disc,

and it's hovering right over the apparition site.

So people can do with that what they want to,

but witness after witness came on the record in 1917

and stated, I looked up and saw a dull, silver disc.

That's what they said, and all that, of course,

has been obfuscated, you never hear anything about that,

but that's why we went into it.

So it was a UFO event in my opinion.

- It's pretty clear that a lot of ancient text describe,

what we would call today, UFO sightings.

Flying saucers, alien spacecraft, that kind of thing.

To me, there's no question that we've been visited

for a very long time.

It does seem likely that the alien interest,

the extra terrestrial interest, in the human race

has accelerated since World War II, for sure.

- The history of the UFO phenomenon,

and particularly, I suppose, ufology,

has been almost like a cat and mouse struggle

between the UFO community and the government.

The UFO community believing that the government

is gatekeeper of some huge secret, too terrible to be told,

and that there's a conspiracy and a coverup,

and that it's just a matter of time.

If we keep pushing at this maybe we'll break it down,

and there have been various attempts to, I suppose,

smash through the wall of secrecy as people perceive it.

The Disclosure Project has been one such initiative.

Dr. Steven Greer certainly drew together a large number

of people who had some kind of involvement with this,

or claimed to have had some sort of involvement,

either on the policy side or as witnesses,

but within government, military intelligence community.

Some of those witnesses, I think were the real deal

and had genuine exposure to information about this,

and sightings.

I think there are question marks over others.

But over the years, other people have stepped up too,

Stephen Bassett has done a lot of work in this area.

Many other figures, James Fox, Leslie Cain,

people have put together events at the National Press Club

in Washington D.C. to try to draw together various insiders,

pilots, generals, military officers going on the record.

I think all this has moved us further forward,

but I think it's a mistake to regard the disclosure

as a single event and a binary process.

- It gets kind of complicated when you've got real cases

and you've got government agencies fabricating stories

as well for political reasons.

But, for me, that's also a fascinating aspect of it all.

You just have to go where the data takes you,

and I've never been someone, really,

who has taken all this from the perspective,

I think it's gonna be this,

so I'm gonna try and prove this theory.

That's the wrong way to take it.

I just go where the flow goes,

and that's all you can really do.

And, hopefully, at the end of the day,

if we're all six foot under ground, we get the answers.

- We're going to divert a little bit from the format

of past press conferences.

- I don't know that I believe in government disclosure,

but I think the aliens are gonna land

on the White House lawn at some point.

- All the newer revelations that are coming out,

daily, literally, on the news, and the mainstream media.

I mean, this is old stuff for us researchers

who've been in it for, you know, a decade plus,

but it is exciting times,

and it's exciting to see the rest of the world sort of

go through what I went through a little over 10 years ago.

- [Narrator] 33% of US adults believe that

some UFO sightings over the years have in fact

been alien spacecraft visiting the Earth

from other planets or galaxies.

16% of Americans say they have personally witnessed

something that they thought was a UFO.

- So within three to five years,

your governments gonna finally tell you,

we know nothing about ETs, we don't know who they are,

we don't know where they came from,

we know nothing about it.

But they are here, and they are here to stay.

And they've been here forever.

- When I hear people in the UFO community

talk about disclosure, they even capitalize it,

Disclosure with a capital D.

And to them, it takes the form of the president

going on television, my fellow Americans,

people of the world, we are not alone.

And then the secret is unpacked for everyone.

(crowd applauding and cheering)

I don't think that's ever gonna happen.

I don't think it's as binary as that.

It kind of assumes that the US Government

has the archetypal spaceship hidden

in an Air Force hanger somewhere.

I'm not sure they do.

I think that, if anything, events like the Nimitz encounter,

programs like AATIP, suggest to me a different scenario.

A scenario where the government, the military,

says yeah, sure, there is something here,

there's a phenomenon, but we don't have the answer,

we don't have a handle on it,

we don't have crashed spaceships and dead aliens.

We have something in our airspace,

our pilots see them, our radar operators track them,

our intelligence operators try

to make sense of what's happening,

but we still don't really have a definitive assessment.

So therefore, in that situation,

I say, there cannot be disclosure with a capital D

because there is nothing binary like that to disclose.

So what you have is what I characterize

as disclosure with a little D.

And disclosure with a little D

is what we're seeing right now.

We're seeing the revelations about

The Pentagon's AATIP program,

we're seeing the videos of Navy jets chasing UFOs,

we're hearing from some of the people

involved in the program.

From a senate majority leader, Harry Reid, who set it up.

Luis Elizondo, the DIA intelligence officer

who ran a lot of this.

David Fravor, one of the pilots who chased these objects.

All these people are coming forward.

We have a paper trail now that we didn't have before.

The DIA wrote to Congress about this,

releasing a list of studies undertaken

under the AATIP contract.

None of this we had up until about two years ago.

This is, I suspect, as good as it gets.

Until and unless extra terrestrials,

if that's what we're dealing with,

do decide to land on the White House lawn.

So when people say to me, "When we will get a disclosure?"

My answer is, you're getting it right now.

- Well, the sightings are coming out I mean weekly.

There's something on mainstream media covering sightings.

Nimitz, the Tic Tac shape UFO happened well over,

I think in 2004, and Commander David Fravor,

the pilot that chased this thing,

you hear him go, "Whoa!" That whole deal, "Got it!"

He says that, and he's on Tucker Carlson,

and it begs the question, I mean Nick Pope and I sat down

and talked about this thing, you know,

they are rolling this out.

How does someone like Nick Fravor wind up on Tucker Carlson?

This guy's a nobody, he doesn't have a book,

he doesn't have DVD, he's nobody.

And he's not on any type of a circuit,

he's not doing any of this stuff.

How does he get on Tucker Carlson?

But he's there because he's a useful tool in the toolbox,

as Nick Pope explained yesterday.

And they took out the hammer and said, okay, go for it,

and that was disclosure, 2017.

And since then, on Tucker Carlson,

they've been revealing the so-called

extra terrestrial presence,

which of course, I believe is interdimensional,

and is part of the coming great deception.

- One of the biggest problems and challenges

that we have in the UFO field is when it

comes to the issue of what's real and what isn't.

We know there are genuine, really cool,

good solid UFO cases, but at times,

government agencies have tried to muddy the waters

by creating bogus stories,

and then revealing them as bogus stories,

and that kind of makes people,

they feel like, well, why should I keep doing this?

It's just garbage,

but it's actually just government manipulation,

and trying to sort of lower people's sense of excitement

and vision for all this.

And I think, at times, government agencies

do this really well, you know.

They build something up and then,

well, it was just a hoax after all,

and everybody gets kind of really down,

and I think that's the whole point.

This is like a battle against ufology

to get us to stop what we're doing

just by purely making us think, is it really worth it?

Well, at the end of the day, it is worth it,

but you have to find a way to dig through the real stuff

and the disinformation and the bogus material,

and sometimes that can be a big problem

because some of the big disinformation stories

are the really amazing, exciting stories

that people don't wanna give up on,

and I'm sure these agencies recognize that.

There's a lot of manipulation of the UFO research community

to prevent us from getting the answers,

but the important thing of all of this

is that the government agencies would not be putting out

disinformation if there wasn't a real phenomenon.

That's what it actually comes down to,

and that's an important thing.

- When it comes to governments and UFOs,

there are all sorts of rumors and accusations out there.

Misinformation, disinformation.

There are characters in this story,

people like Richard Doty who came to have

an Air Force Office of Special Investigations background,

who say that they worked, at some point,

on maybe putting false information into the public domain

on this subject to lead people down the wrong paths.

What I will say is this, that certainly over the years,

it does seem that there have been instances where,

for example, governments would be almost promoting

an extra terrestrial narrative to hide the reality

that in some of these cases it's our own technology.

So, for example, in the '60s, when pilots were seeing

and reporting things like the U-2 spy plane

and the SR-71 Blackbird,

it suited the CIA and the United States Air Force

for any media reports about this

to come out as flying saucer reports,

as opposed to a report of an astonishing looking,

next generation aircraft.

Does that mean that on occasion the government

has, itself, fueled the fire when it comes

to the UFO phenomenon and the narrative?

Maybe.

- [Narrator] 49% of Americans think that beings,

somewhat like ourselves, exist somewhere in the universe.

Even more, 75% believe that some form

of life exists on other planets.

- So, for me, it's mainly UFOs and cryptozoology,

and that sometimes there's a crossover between the two.

Of all the things that are going on, you know, two's plenty.

And I wouldn't want people to think it's a job,

it's a passion, but it's a passion where I think

you also need time away,

because I do know, sometimes, nightmare stories

of people who it becomes an obsession

to the point where it actually affects their lives

and marriages and things,

because that obsession quite literally takes over.

And I can see how easily that can happen,

but for me, I have to have time to see what's going on

with the soccer, you know, and nevermind UFOs now and again.

- The cool thing is I come from a different perspective.

And most people in that audience have never heard it,

but I go really slowly and I speak in a language

which I think people can understand.

I didn't mention the word Jesus until the very, very end,

and then I revealed the goods.

But it took me three sessions to get there.

I talk about my spirit guide, which is the holy spirit,

the great spirit, the holy ghost,

that's who my spirit guide is.

But if I say the holy ghost,

or if I say the holy spirit, quick, they won't listen,

but if I say my spirit guide, which is what he is, right,

they instantly relate, they instantly relate.

So I'm not trying to be deceitful,

I'm trying to speak in a language that I can communicate

with the UFO community with.

I've seen two myself, I come from that world.

My third eye was open, I was in an Archamp for three years.

I mean, I did the whole deal, I was immersed in it,

so I have a very unique perspective in looking at all this,

and I'm a frank supernaturalist.

I believe that the supernatural is more real

than the natural world, and I've encountered it,

and I encounter it all the time,

and I mean that, all the time.

When the spirit of a living God speaks,

I've learned to listen.

That's a process in itself.

- Certainly, this kind of interaction,

to talk with people, to hear their stories,

to collaborate other people's stories,

to then also verify some of my own experiences,

you know, like, I'm not crazy, I saw these things

in the middle of the day.

Having an open mind and venturing into this world,

and having these experiences and interactions

is a key part of it.

- I have an interesting relationship with the UFO community.

Because I did this for the government,

I think people are very polarized about me.

A lot of people are very grateful

and they'll say thank you for this great information,

because of course, I don't just give people the information,

I show them or tell them where they can get it,

and it's not just a story,

it's something that can be verified

in the national archives,

by going to the electronic reading rooms

of various government agencies,

by confirmation from the public affairs offices,

so a lot of people in the UFO community

are grateful that I've helped them

maybe make this more credible by being

maybe a communicator on this issue in some

of the mainstream media work that I do,

and by helping them find verifiable information.

On the other hand, there are a lot of people

in the UFO community who think that I'm still

secretly working for the government,

that I'm part of either of a disinformation campaign,

or flipping it the other way round,

that I'm part of a campaign to acclimatize people

to the reality of this ahead of an official announcement.

But either way, of course, when you believe

that someone's still secretly working for the government,

they become the bad guy,

so I know that I'm the bad guy

to a lot of people in the UFO community.

Well, that's fine, it's difficult,

if not impossible, to prove a negative,

so I'm not sure that there's anything I could do

to dissuade people who think I am still secretly

working for them, it's all disinformation.

I don't think there's anything I can do.

If they want to believe that, fine,

all I can say is, honestly, I'm not,

but if they believe that,

they wouldn't believe my denial, would they?

So I have mixed experience, I think, with the UFO community.

And, again, as with maybe a lot of fringe topic,

there's no getting away from the fact

that there are some out and out crazy people

and fraudsters in this community.

However, let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.

Most of the people in the community are honest,

sincere, dedicated, hard-working,

professional at what they do.

They are genuinely interested and genuinely doing their best

to uncover, as they would see it, the truth.

Whatever that truth may be,

wherever their journey takes them.

You can't, like myself, have run a government UFO program

without finding yourself cast,

by different parts of the community, as hero or villain.

- [Narrator] Even as most Americans are skeptical

that aliens have visited Earth,

the majority, 56%, believe that those who spot UFOs

are seeing something real, not just imagining it.

- And then came the ultimate, the ultimate UFO experience,

and I have the proof.

It was during the solar eclipse in 2012.

My wife, she wanted to take pictures of the solar eclipse.

And I said, "Well, you can do that, but don't look it,

"whatever it is."

And then she went, (imitating camera click) six times,

she took six shots, and I was going, "What are you doing?"

'Cause she was looking through it

and I was afraid for her eyes.

And oh my gosh, when we developed those pictures,

you could see Jericho, it's a hub,

And believe me, you cannot duplicate this,

regardless how good you are with Photoshop.

You could see the hub coming to me,

getting closer and closer and closer,

entering my third eye and coming out of my heart.

And since that day I have been making predictions

that are well documented, dated, and unarguable,

about earthquakes above 6.0.

I was on George Noory, 40 million people listening to me.

I said "Be ready for fire, and we're gonna lose

"a hell of a lot of wildlife."

A week and a half later, Australian fire

killed millions of animals.

And I said, "Be careful, there is a new disease

"coming for the lungs."

The next thing you know, our virus.

I get the exact date for 9/11, with all the details.

I get exact dates for terrorist attack,

which brought the FBI twice in my house.

Believe me, extra terrestrials are master of matter,

master engineer from the extreme.

They do not care who you are, if you're the president,

they don't care of your education,

they do not care of your position,

they have lost something that people like me were born with.

They have lost their spirit, they have lost their identity.

They have lost their connection with God and the divine.

And humanity is moving in that direction.

And that's why everything is rational and it's practical,

because the more you delegate with the tree,

the less you're gonna see the forest.

- There are many, many fascinating cases I've come across.

Some fairly well known, some less well known,

some not known at all.

I mean, I think you could go, for example,

through the declassified archives

of Ministry of Defence files and you could pull out

something almost at random and say, wow, that's interesting.

I mean, we had some amazing cases,

we had a great case, for example,

where a UFO was seen to come down

and the witnesses thought that it had landed in a field.

They went to the field, fully expecting to see

something like out of "Close Encounters",

a UFO sat on or directly above the ground.

No UFO, but in the middle of the field,

all the cows had congregated,

were stood in a perfect circle,

facing each other, completely silent.

So you dip into the Ministry of Defence files

and you can find cases like that.

You can go into the UFO literature

and you can find the well known cases,

but you can find more obscure ones

that really make you think.

One thing that's caught my eye recently is that,

and I think people have missed this

because we use the phrase UFO we think of things in the air,

but there have been many, many cases of UFOs seen

either under the water,

and I've spoken to witnesses who talk about

some extraordinary encounters of UFOs under the water,

UFOs transitioning from water to air, air to water,

UFOs apparently drawing up water.

So many, many of these so-called USO,

unidentified submerged objects,

many of those cases have kind of gone unnoticed,

maybe until the Tic Tac incident,

and that's kind of focused people's attention.

But we're kidding ourselves if we think that

that's the first time that a UFO has ever been seen moving,

apparently seamlessly, from air to water, water to air.

And then, of course, the physics involved and implied

by something like that is interesting.

So, you can almost at random sometimes,

pick a country, pick an archive,

and go and find interesting things

that have maybe not been talked about much,

because everyone, of course, has their favorite cases,

their flagship cases, Rendlesham Forest, Roswell,

whatever it may be, the Phoenix Lights, Steven Vel,

Travis Walton, many, many different cases,

but sometimes I think the lesser known

or the completely unknown ones are more interesting,

you've just gotta dig and maybe find some

interesting diamonds in the rough.

- This stuff is really, it's complex,

but a good student can unravel the mysteries that are there.

And, look, I don't know it all,

I don't have all the mysteries unraveled, nobody does,

but that's why we're on the trail,

'cause life is for learning.

- To me, the questions, are we alone or not in the universe?

Are we being visited?

Those are some of the biggest

and most profound questions we can ask ourselves.

Why wouldn't we want to get the answers to those questions?

Is there a God, does consciousness survive death

of the physical body?

Those are probably unknowable,

but the question of is there extra terrestrial life

might be something that actually surprisingly quickly

and easily we might get a definitive answer.

That interests me.

I mean, philosophy, hypothesizing, interests me,

but at the end of the day, that's just belief.

What intrigues me is the possibility of getting definitive,

testable, repeatable proof on the extra terrestrial question

that would tell us, yes,

there are other civilizations out there.

The technology, could that give us, for example,

solutions to problems that we have here on Earth?

More generally, if we could either

talk to other civilizations or access data

about other civilizations perhaps through

picking up messages and signals,

could we learn things that might help us, again,

overcome some of the problems we face here?

Disease, poverty, prejudice and hatred.

If there are other civilizations who've evolved

and become more advanced than us,

did they face those same problems and overcome them?

And if so, how did they overcome them?

Is there some tangible, whether it's technology

or whether it's almost a philosophy, a political system,

whatever it is, is there something we can learn?

Again, I find this incredibly interesting,

and my goodness, isn't it high stakes?

At the moment we have all our eggs in one basket

here on planet Earth, one global pandemic,

one big enough comet or asteroid strike,

one nuclear war, and that's it, the human adventure ends.

Someday, just through the natural lifecycle of the stars,

our sun will grow hotter and expand,

and life on Earth will be impossible.

So at some point, we have to develop

viable interstellar travel.

This is why I'm interested in ufology

and the search for extra terrestrial intelligence.

Even though I'm no longer involved for the Government,

because as I say, these are not only the biggest

and profound questions we can ask ourselves,

but these are questions of existential importance.

- If we're gonna get the answers,

we've just gotta keep pushing.

I've seen so many people, they get into it at 20,

at 40 they're disillusioned, at 50 they're like,

why did I waste that time?

But I don't look at it like that,

I look at it that we're pursuing a major,

incredible phenomenon, and to give up after this time

or that time is just ridiculous.

- I don't know how we could exist without beliefs.

How can you have a thought without a belief?

It would be nothing, it'd be nothing.

Everything starts with a belief.

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