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Hi doctor. Yeah, dr. Barber and this must be Tristan

Yes, nice to meet you

And J. Hi

Make yourselves comfortable

So I am dr. Barber

obviously

Just tell you a little bit about myself here. I'm a family therapist and you know

I mostly work with family systems, but I'm also an accredited doctor, you know, specialized in psychology

And

Yeah, what can I say? I'm married. I have actually a boy and a girl about your age and

I hope you guys don't mind. I was gonna record our session today

Just like for my records and for my analysis. It's it's private, but

It's part of your file. Okay. All right

Just care to introduce yourselves

How long is this gonna take?

You know, we have like a full hour together, you know, I'm not like too picky. I don't like schedule people back-to-back. So, you know

But about an hour

I'm Jay

This is my stepsister Tristan. Hi

Okay, so do you want to tell me like a little bit about what brings you here today why your parents had to come in?

Um, well, I don't I don't know why we are here in the first place to be honest, but I

guess it was because

I don't know me and Tristan the other day

Accidentally

Just did stuff. Oh parents got us kissing

Okay. All right

So, you know Tristan do you want to

Maybe elaborate on that like what were the circumstances and I

Don't know it shouldn't have happened and we wouldn't be here

Shouldn't happen. I mean I pretty sure

Pretty sure we both liked it, but we got caught my mom got really mad

Yeah, yeah, okay. All right, so

It sounds to me like maybe

Jay you feel like it wasn't really much of a problem. It's just kind of

Did you mind that your mom caught you or um, no, I mean, I was kind of irritated because

Because she got mad for no reason, I mean, I I didn't think anything of it

There's nothing wrong with it. I see it all mine all the time. Do you do you two kiss regularly or?

Sometimes, okay

So this wasn't the first time it's just maybe the first time that a parent walked in on it

Are you two

You know doing anything else or

No, because you you can tell me it's not like I'm gonna run off and tell your parents or anything if you want

No, it's just you know, it's just for me to have it's

Not like I know how to take shorthand or anything

No, of course not. No, you're not gonna see anything you can tell me is there

Something you'd like to discuss, you know, this is a very safe space

Nothing you tell me is gonna go beyond that door

Do you have any other boys that you'd like to make out with just just your stepbrother, yeah

Can you guys like maybe walk me through it like paint me a picture like put me there like what what was going down with you too

Home alone your mom was there like what?

What was going on you just

What led to this

We're playing just outside with you know our toys and stuff and the ball and

I don't know I

Accidentally hit her with a ball, you know soccer ball and then

I went to apologize and

give her a hug

And then

It was just this weird feeling and like tension and

Mm-hmm. It just happened

Okay

All right, well

So, I mean is this something that

You know like how did how did it make you feel to kiss your sister step sister

I mean at first it first it was kind of awkward and weird and

A adrenaline was pumping. I don't know it was definitely different

But I've never done it before so I figured

I mean I trust my step sister so

I got more and more comfortable

and she

Felt comfortable too and and it was great and

Think would you say that you enjoyed it?

Yeah

How does that make you feel trust in to know that you know your brother enjoyed kissing you

um

Like nice

Like to feel

Attracted to or like wanted to feel attractive, but then when we got caught it just kind of

Mm-hmm

Did you had a girlfriend before?

Once okay

How'd that go?

Last three days. Okay. It's my longest

It's okay

So trust in you if you had any

Other boyfriends and any dates yet? No, not really. I stayed clear of dating because I don't like his girlfriend

Okay, I didn't like his girlfriend

We just always spend time together and she like took him away from me, so

Did you feel you think jealousy is a good word or yeah, okay?

All right

So it seems like you guys feel a little

Tense about what happened, but you don't exactly

Would you say you regret it or

Especially would have been like safely

So many get caught

When you say get caught like, you know

When I think of getting caught I think you know getting caught, you know seeking cookies or something

You know doing something that maybe you're not supposed to be doing

How do you do you feel like this was something that we weren't supposed to be doing?

But but we don't really care about that when it was happening until we got caught

You feel like your mother was overreacting is what you said earlier. Do you still feel that way?

Yeah, and I mean I think I also feel that

The fact that we were gonna get caught was

Was the thrill really

But thinking about it now after is this what gets me thinking about that

I didn't think that we'd be here

Right having to talk about it

It's fine to talk about

It's normal. It actually happens pretty regularly. It's not

Strange in any way. I'm trying to say

You know sometimes parents can get a little

Concerned about things that you know, maybe aren't such a big deal

Things that you know might even be like a little bit healthy to explore

you know

Do you feel like you were like hurting anyone or?

Not really

Right

So maybe it wasn't such a big deal for you. It was just more of a big deal for

Yeah

We can see that

And um

How would you two feel about doing a little?

It's not really a role play because you sort of just like be yourselves but like sort of like a little

reenactment

Would you two be kind of up to doing something like that?

I don't know

Well, what if we give it a try and then if you feel uncomfortable we can stop

I mean it's like gonna help

It might you know, I think it's worth a shot

I'll just do it. It's gonna make more of me happy and

I got us in trouble last time

We have to be here anyways

Not gonna see it your father's certainly not gonna see it, you know, I don't

show my

Confidential patients files to other people ever

Um, you know, I feel like it could really

Kind of help you both relax. You know just sort of

You know clear the air

You know sort of see how you really feel about it. I'm feeling a little bit of confusion, you know, like

Is this okay? Is this not okay?

Where's the line, you know, what about it was actually a problem and I feel like

You kind of power through and kind of

Indulge a little bit you'll be able to see some clarity

You know step back and really take a look at what happened and decide for yourselves

If this is a problem or

If your parents are the ones who have a problem, you know what I mean?

Fine

Okay

I very much appreciate that both of you trust me enough to try this

And you know again, it's nothing I haven't done before, you know, it's nothing that's

Ever gonna leave the room

Tristan, you know, you're a little worried, but this really is a safe space where you can explore. Okay, I promise

Okay

So

My little chair over here actually

Let's get a little bit closer

Okay, so

Do you have like a way that you kind of like like to start doing this sort of thing?

But maybe you want to like stroke your sister's arm a little bit, you know, just kind of get comfortable

And there's two kind of sitting far apart on the couch maybe a little bit closer

Yeah, you do know each other, you trust each other

Yeah, there you go

Tristan, does it feel nice?

Your brother kind of like gently touches you like that?

Um, a little bit

I mean, it looks like it feels nice

It's just weird being around people

Mm-hmm. It just like pretends like I'm not even here. Like I'm just like flying the wall

Is that nice?

Yeah, yeah

Okay, do you want to maybe touch her

Face and that's totally fine. Tristan, if you want to put your hand on his thigh or something

That's totally fine

There you go

It's just like family movie nights in the cuddling

There you go

I'm noticing that you guys are kind of like not really making a lot of eye contact. Do you want to try?

I'm just going to look at each other

It's really connecting kind of like feeling that energy kind of going back and forth

Feeling a connection

Thinking about being in that situation where

You know either the the thrill was being caught or the thrill was just purely romantic

Beautiful

Tristan, where did that feel like?

It felt normal like it was supposed to happen

Jake, any thoughts?

Yeah, it felt good. Yeah

Let me take a look for you to get close and you can touch and you can

Hold each other

See how things feel see what happens naturally

I

Just have to wonder what you two would be doing if you weren't brother and sister you were just

You know alone on a

Leather couch with you know a very pretty girl very handsome guy

You know what would feel

Neutral it's kind of doing that situation

Tristan would you find your hand on his chest?

Or vice versa

Very good Jake

There you go

Excellent just going with it

So your bodies know what to do

You

Know that wonderful progress

And Jay you're kind of playing with her shirt a little bit

Oh really

I think that's probably almost young men in your situation to feel. What do you think that you would do next?

Maybe

Tristan how would you feel about that you're with a guy and you started kind of pulling at your shirt the way that you're uh

Brother is kind of pulling at your shirt right now

I don't know. I've never been in that situation. I've never had a boyfriend. You know, are you sure?

Jay why don't you drive as it were?

You know what anytime Tristan if you decide you don't like it you just say I don't like it and it's over right?

It's like it's sort of freedom than that

Freedom that your

Brother not brother can sort of enjoy

It's okay to like it it's okay to say stop to you

You

What are you thinking Jay? It's okay to tell her what you think you must find her very beautiful

The way

I

Yeah, I mean I saw it one time online

This one's to be good

I

I

So can't react to you Tristan something feels good or you just want to be silent that's fine too

I just feel like my mom would be really mad

No, maybe she would but she's not here right now. This doesn't really involve her does it?

Promise and you promise

It does feel pretty nice. I imagine it does

Maybe I shouldn't be the one that you're telling now

So

Maybe you want to lose this shirt

Make it a little easier

Oh

It feels good

I

Just really nice

Jay, maybe uh, can I give her a little bit more something to you take off your outer shirt, but you know girls kind of like that stuff, too

Really? Oh, come on. It's not a big deal. Do you want to look?

I

Look good

Thanks

You two aren't really all that undressed anyway, it's still pretty uh pretty clothed really

I'm guessing this is probably more naked than your brother's ever seen you either. Yeah

That feel

The little

Awkward exciting

Kind of awkward, I mean it's usually like my school clothes or

Pajamas or something. Yeah

So

Jay have you gotten to see a girl all the way naked yet?

Not really

This is probably a

Pretty momentous occasion for you already

You're feeling in my pants. I mean

Definitely getting no warning

A weird feeling in your pants

You know in this office, I really like to use the correct words for things

In your

Yes, maybe

Is that where it feels? We're feeling in my penis, doctor. Yeah

Is it one if I have one down there too? If you have a feeling down there? Yeah

You know, the weather is being very generous and exploring you a little bit. Do you want to maybe?

I'll put my hand down there a little and see. I guess so. I can do

You

And I think that reciprocity is a really beautiful thing

You know, I'm kind of like your sister takes off her top or sorry the girl that you're with

It's nice to take yours off

Your partner is touching you. It's nice to touch them back

I

Just never touched a guy down there before

well

Maybe you don't have much to compare it to but what do you think?

well

Maybe he seems to like it and I like that

Enjoying male pleasure

Is that something that you thought about before? No

And jade you thought about female pleasure before

No, not really a little surprised but okay

It feels so good

And she feels more wet

What's normal? Is something wrong with me?

I don't know

It's very natural

You know just if you take off your tights and your panties you'll be able to to show you it's actually quite normal

The panties too

panties too

There you go

It's completely natural to be naked of course

Can I open it a little bit? There you go

And jade if you're curious about anything that's totally normal you can certainly

Take a look take a taste

I've never seen one person

It's really sensitive down there

So

It comes so naturally doesn't it? Yeah just kind of relax and get rid of these meaningless barriers

And you don't have to worry about

Anyone else thinks

What else is going on

Just save space to explore

Feel very open

Is that a bucket?

Mm-hmm

Good job

I'm very proud of both of you. I've taken a lot of risks and I hope they're

And it's rewarding to experience as it is rewarding for me to watch

It feels so good inside

That does feel pretty nice

Mm-hmm

And jade, you remember what we talked about like reciprocity? Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry

I'm sorry. I'm very proud of you that you're willing

I'm scared

Okay, wait, let's wait for a second. What was it called a penis?

Yeah, I think maybe maybe we know what it's called. It's just it's okay

I've never seen one before you just have to be a little of mine

What? Oh, no, no, no, it's it's

It's great. I'm sorry. It's really big. That was unprofessional. Um, yeah

That's very impressive jay. I was not expecting that wow

Oh

Okay

Well, you know, it's quite beautiful

Tristan, you might not have anything to compare it to but trust me

It's lovely

Are you um

Are you at all curious about it? Do you want to see it?

Ready to kind touch it

Jay, how do you feel about, uh,

Tristan touching you a little there? Sure. Yeah

It's okay, I mean it is technically your brother's cock. I'm sorry penis, but it is still

Still a penis my goodness

Does that feel okay

It's really quite gorgeous

Can I jump in here for a second? I don't really know what I'm doing

Lighter up there

Oh

You know what I think I have something that's gonna make this a little bit easier

Jay, how many hours do you know about do you?

We are

There we go. Oh

That's nice

That's perfect

It's so much easier you just kind of flows like that

But just feel good

So, you know really Tristan just you know an older woman

You really just kind of play with them and I do whatever you want

And of course you can ask him what he likes if he likes, you know

Lighter kind of teasing or if he really likes you to get in there

Get like a firmer grip, you know

Different people like different things

It kind of sounds similar to what I hear at night in the room and they're doing home and playing video games

Oh

Is that what video games sound like?

It's squeaky

Here we go

So do you want to talk at all about what you're thinking about during video game time, Jay?

Princess Delta

That's that's the only one I know oh laura croft

It's so pretty

Actually very attractive

Oh

Have you thought about maybe doing this with your sister before?

But have you?

Yeah

It's really is like a safe space. You can tell me anything chances are first of all I've heard it before

And also we have a confidentiality

Agreement I'm not going to be spreading this around to anyone

Here we go

Oh

So gorgeous

Do you think I could try it? Yeah, I want to jump in there

Just let me know if you feel like you need some more of this slippery stuff

Here we go

Like that, right? Yeah, like that just like that

Are you sure this is gonna work doctor? Do you feel like it's working?

I feel like we have a

Building a better relationship kind of

You know some parts of your relationship really should be the main private, you know

They don't have to do anything with your mother or your dad or you know anyone else

you know

Maybe we just are a little bit more careful about the setting

Are we doing it in a safe space? Well, it's just kind of weird because we're both like, I don't know

Naked in front of people and like you're dressed and we're not dressed. It's

It's kind of different. I mean, yeah

I didn't think about that. Um, you said reciprocate doctor. I did say that

It would make us feel more comfortable

Yeah, I think so

I mean

It's always nice to have like other women around me

Yeah, I didn't you and you're older and you're like experienced and you're adopters

So I mean if anyone's gonna make me feel more comfortable and be you. Oh, yeah. All right. You talk to me into it

Although you are gonna have to help me

Thank you

I mean, hello

That's a little bit a bit awkward for you. All right

We're gonna slice it any

Let me see

A little bit more of this on here

There we go

It's gonna be quite gorgeous

You got some very attractive. I'm so very lucky to have such an attractive sibling

You know, you feel free to do what you're doing, you know, kind of explore and do whatever you want for this feels natural

Just want to make sure that this is

Properly lived up

Oh

Thank you

I'm so right. I don't mind, but thank you for standing up for me

You are really pretty

Totally all right. Just so what you feeling here. I don't want you to feel worried

Or uptight and without certain conventions or other things

You know, I actually

Do you mind if I um

Try something else I think you might like

Yeah

Mm-hmm. Oh my god

Because I feel good

I didn't know you could burn your mouth

Oh

Oh

I guess she was right. There was a lot of things to explore

We wouldn't have to do anything like this

This can really just like do whatever comes to mind. You can get the other person in climate that

You know, I don't see any reason you can't learn to enjoy yourselves

When you really connect

I think the intimacy is a wonderful thing most people agree

We'll feel that way kind of like enjoy being more intimate with each other

Yeah, I mean we're learning a lot of things and

Feeling a lot of things emotionally and physically

I'm distracting you

You know, I'm sure there are certain things that you can be doing for your sister too. She's kind of like sitting naked on a couch

You know, just like I can use my mouth

There's certain things that you can do for her as well

So

Oh

You'll be very excited. Look at that sticking out so hard

It's like a rock

Wow

You want me to try it?

I'm gonna give it a shot. You can do actually quite sad sign

Okay

I

Signed like a position that's comfortable for both of you

Oh

Here we are

Oh

It's a wonderful

Does that feel nice

How does it feel emotionally that she's doing to you, huh?

It feels right. I mean

Almost forgot that she's my step sister

Okay

So this is like a very positive experience

Yeah

This is where once a week

Here once a week just for an hour

And of course if you guys do find, you know opportunities

That said there's nothing wrong with privacy, maybe

what about if

parents caught us like

This is more than just

A kiss on the basketball

She's right. She's not wrong

I think that maybe that would cause a little bit of the disturbance

In the family, you two got caught doing something like this

Yeah

Good boarding school for sure for sure. Well, let me ask you a question

Do you haven't caught your parents doing anything like this? Have you?

All the time. Oh really? Oh

It's pretty

Quiet it's just kind of big

Yeah

So who's like you but had maybe a different experience than Tristan here, huh?

That would explain that

That said

Maybe a little discretion

Would be helpful. Hmm

I agree. Yeah

On the one hand, you know, it is normal parents do do it, but on the other hand

You know, maybe a little privacy is in order

So we don't have to make sure it's private. I think so

That's when our landings operate

But always I look like it's like the allowance you have to get out of school

Oh

What do we say your sister's working so hard

Thank you, I like it

Thank you

Looks like it feels good somebody familiarized herself very quickly

It's pretty easy

Is there any other way I can

I don't know pair backs and I'll make her feel good. There's something you want to do

Would you like to try using your mouth? Sure Tristan kind of curious about that

I mean if he seems to be enjoying it on

My mouth is on it. Yeah

Let's give it a try. Let's see how we can open you up. Let's see

If you want to sit down and the lights kind of open

We'll do the core, we'll do the couch, whatever you think is kind of works

Here you go

Let's see

Okay, are you okay with me touching here? Do you not like that? It's okay if you don't like it

Oh

That feels really nice and free

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Okay, if you notice that your sister's breasts jiggle a little bit what you do

Oh

You're a very pretty boy, I'm sure that lots of people want to do that again

That's what's happening

Oh

Look at that your sister's so wet and you're so stiff

She's just all kind of splayed out like that

Is there a way I can put it in there? Is there a way? I'm sure you thought that's what you saw in the videos you were talking about

I'm sure you can manage

It looks really tiny

I'm feeling relaxed. I wonder if anything is uncomfortable. You just said so, right?

Things are comfortable

I always move to a different position

Let's kind of figure things out, okay

Oh

Oh, it's really big it is really big

Is it really big or is it too big? Okay, I'm listening. Okay. It's so nice and slow

If you need to be slippery, just let me know, okay

Oh

Your sister's busy feel

Happy clearance right there

Ah

Oh

That feels actually really good

What happened?

Oh, that feels really good

I'm just gonna feel like you want to tighten up and tense up

What do I do then? I like to just relax

But when I was your age, I like to let it tighten up

When I was your age, I would just let it build and then start squeezing and grabbing

Oh

It's very large. Can you feel it in there?

It's getting really sensitive

A little spot in there

If you can find it, it's how we vote here

If you can find it with your unit, I'm sure she would very much appreciate it

And then you just kind of love it

And do that

Oh, that feels really good

Yeah, just want to put your sister in and let her feel the strength to feel

Oh my god

Oh

Did you get there and I kind of like the way you don't go back down. Yeah, it was really sensitive and teamily

Really good though

I can't do that as many times as you want

If you do it once

Do it 10 times

10 times, whatever you want to have

There's no wrong answers

Okay

That one's called

Good

You should work on owning your feeling this day. I want you to just tell her I want you to give her for me

It's okay if we want things too

Oh, look at all that pre-coding Jesus. Oh my god. Wow

I hope that you weren't gooey enough already, but

There you go

A little push

Thank you

Super slippery too

Oh

That's right where it wants to go doesn't it? It's just pointing straight at me

Oh

That's right your sister that's a big balance

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

You can let him know if you want to do it faster slower sometimes I like really like fast shallow strokes is how I kind of like it

So whatever you think feels good

You can tell your brother exactly how to give you

Oh, that feels really good

Yeah

That's good. And Jay you can get for a little positive reinforcement. I don't know that you like it too

I don't know that you wanted to feel good

Thank you for that spot again

I'm gonna let him know you're touching it

I want it like that

If you are so cute, I feel like you're gonna need to get to each other for me. You can talk to each other

It's totally fun to talk to your sister like that

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

You took that whole thing like a little champ

I think you sure you're gonna have a lot of fun for our next session

Oh

It's kind of fun isn't it? It's got access to my whole body

It's a very fun tactile position

With this beautiful behind right here this gorgeous bottom

It's nice long back

Are you touching me?

Look at you taking that whole thing in there

I don't know if I could quite get the whole thing in there. I suppose I could try

Oh

You want me to make a little bit like that?

I'm gonna check you hot

Oh

Do you want me to get one of your sister's clothes?

Oh

Oh

Oh

I don't mean to rush you too, but I do have another client coming up soon

I'd love to take you through a few extra things that you could try

Are you doing the week? Yeah a little food for thought some more things you could try?

Okay, well trust me, why don't you hop off?

You can kind of watch, okay? Okay, let's figure out what you want to do

You got some writing away from you brother. What else would you do?

Oh

My god, that's big. Oh my god, that's big

Jesus

Oh my god, yeah, oh oh my god

Jesus Christ

Okay, do you remember Harry talking about

Tensing up and if you relax, that's that's all instead of tensing. It's very different

That's insane. It's great

Hey, you want to try something else to kind of go over some things real quick? Okay

You hop up

And

My dress down here to see you're not

I'm gonna see a cool nice hugging meal

Oh

Just like how you hold your legs really like oh even just that makes a difference. Oh my goodness

So it's gonna do the position on the legs. Yeah, it just like it tightens it up

You kind of need to like that and then if I mean not honestly your brother has a very big penis

So sometimes if you can like come together you can kind of take a little bit more

Oh

It really goes all the way in there

So you just run out like that yeah

Oh my god

Oh my god, that's so fucking deep

Oh

Do that

Oh

No

Oh

Oh

Oh

Oh

Look at all that

Oh

I feel like we made so much progress today

So much more

Yeah, not so bad, huh

No

It's fun I learned a lot me too

Well, I well then if it's okay with the both of you talk to your parents about scheduling

Regular thing. Okay, and you're not gonna tell them about any of this, right? No. No. No. No. No the camera and everything that's just you know

Think of it as like another file. It's nothing

Okay, okay a little secret

Okay, all right. See you next week. See you next week. Let's get you two dressed and uh

Ouch

You're waiting for her in the car

Thanks dog

Thank you so much

You're doing all the work

Oh

That was a good session usually takes three or four I get to that point