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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:04,265 --> 00:00:06,309 In the criminal justice system, 2 00:00:06,310 --> 00:00:07,658 the people are represented 3 00:00:07,659 --> 00:00:10,139 by two separate, yet equally important groups: 4 00:00:10,140 --> 00:00:11,967 the police, who investigate crime, 5 00:00:11,968 --> 00:00:14,883 and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. 6 00:00:14,884 --> 00:00:16,712 These are their stories. 7 00:00:17,234 --> 00:00:18,887 Jackson, come on in. 8 00:00:18,888 --> 00:00:20,802 We need to talk. - What's up, man? 9 00:00:20,803 --> 00:00:24,327 You make 8 million a year, man, and you broke. 10 00:00:24,328 --> 00:00:27,113 Man, get out of here. 11 00:00:27,114 --> 00:00:28,505 You could believe me today, 12 00:00:28,506 --> 00:00:29,898 or you can believe the bank when they come 13 00:00:29,899 --> 00:00:31,160 and take the keys to your house. 14 00:00:31,161 --> 00:00:32,857 You got to make changes, bro. 15 00:00:32,858 --> 00:00:35,643 And, oh, by the way, 16 00:00:35,644 --> 00:00:37,253 I'm keeping my 5%. 17 00:00:37,254 --> 00:00:38,907 You ain't getting that back. 18 00:00:38,908 --> 00:00:40,169 What's the problem? 19 00:00:40,170 --> 00:00:42,737 You really just asked me that? 20 00:00:42,738 --> 00:00:44,043 Turn around. 21 00:00:44,044 --> 00:00:45,783 What does Jimmy do? 22 00:00:45,784 --> 00:00:47,698 How about Tommy? 23 00:00:47,699 --> 00:00:48,960 How about Marco? 24 00:00:48,961 --> 00:00:50,266 I don't know, man. 25 00:00:50,267 --> 00:00:51,876 They just part of it. 26 00:00:51,877 --> 00:00:54,096 How many people do you think you have on your payroll? 27 00:00:54,097 --> 00:00:55,837 Six. 28 00:00:55,838 --> 00:00:57,882 11. 29 00:00:57,883 --> 00:00:59,232 But it's time to be real. 30 00:00:59,233 --> 00:01:00,711 You ain't LeBron. 31 00:01:00,712 --> 00:01:02,148 You ain't KD. 32 00:01:02,149 --> 00:01:04,585 You damn sure ain't Ant-Man. 33 00:01:04,586 --> 00:01:07,544 You a grinder, a rotation player. 34 00:01:07,545 --> 00:01:08,980 You damn sure ain't large enough 35 00:01:08,981 --> 00:01:11,071 to be having some entourage. 36 00:01:12,202 --> 00:01:14,290 You got a big damn heart, 37 00:01:14,291 --> 00:01:15,900 but you just turned 30. 38 00:01:15,901 --> 00:01:19,687 If you're lucky, you got three, maybe four years left. 39 00:01:19,688 --> 00:01:24,605 So you're saying you want me to fire some of my boys? 40 00:01:24,606 --> 00:01:25,910 Come on, Ted. 41 00:01:25,911 --> 00:01:26,911 No. 42 00:01:26,912 --> 00:01:28,087 That ain't cool. 43 00:01:28,088 --> 00:01:29,566 Want to hear about cool? 44 00:01:29,567 --> 00:01:31,002 I don't care about cool. I care about you. 45 00:01:31,003 --> 00:01:33,570 I care about your family, your kids, your future. 46 00:01:33,571 --> 00:01:35,050 That's what I'm thinking about. 47 00:01:35,051 --> 00:01:36,312 So guess what. 48 00:01:36,313 --> 00:01:37,618 Your agent ain't asking you 49 00:01:37,619 --> 00:01:39,794 to get rid of some of your boys. 50 00:01:39,795 --> 00:01:42,057 I'm asking you to get rid of all of them. 51 00:01:42,058 --> 00:01:43,363 Every living one of them. 52 00:01:43,364 --> 00:01:45,756 That's not so easy. 53 00:01:45,757 --> 00:01:47,193 I grew up with them. 54 00:01:47,194 --> 00:01:49,151 When all of this was just a fantasy. 55 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:51,980 I owe them. 56 00:01:51,981 --> 00:01:54,243 I owe them. 57 00:01:54,244 --> 00:01:56,115 You want me to do it for you? 58 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:04,471 Our victim is wearing sweats, 59 00:02:04,472 --> 00:02:06,603 high-end running shoes, headphones on. 60 00:02:06,604 --> 00:02:09,476 Looks like he was on some sort of jog or walk. 61 00:02:09,477 --> 00:02:11,391 - Who called this in? - Two joggers. 62 00:02:11,392 --> 00:02:13,567 Victim was deceased by the time they found him. 63 00:02:13,568 --> 00:02:14,698 No pulse. 64 00:02:14,699 --> 00:02:15,743 They didn't see anybody else around. 65 00:02:15,744 --> 00:02:17,484 I mean, it was the crack of dawn, 66 00:02:17,485 --> 00:02:19,225 so it was pretty empty up here. 67 00:02:19,226 --> 00:02:21,052 Got a weapon in evidence? 68 00:02:21,053 --> 00:02:22,489 We're looking, but so far, no dice. 69 00:02:22,490 --> 00:02:24,143 It was some kind of knife. 70 00:02:24,144 --> 00:02:26,101 Two stabs to the chest. Deep. 71 00:02:26,102 --> 00:02:28,234 He also got a cut on his lip. 72 00:02:28,235 --> 00:02:30,192 Healed up, though. Doesn't feel related. 73 00:02:30,193 --> 00:02:31,846 Still got his Montblanc smartwatch, 74 00:02:31,847 --> 00:02:33,978 his cell phone, AirPods. 75 00:02:33,979 --> 00:02:35,197 Not a robbery. 76 00:02:35,198 --> 00:02:36,590 And they found a $20 bill in his pocket 77 00:02:36,591 --> 00:02:37,808 with his ID. 78 00:02:39,898 --> 00:02:41,638 Theodore Hunter. 79 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,511 69th Street, Upper West Side. 80 00:02:44,512 --> 00:02:46,208 Guy turned 52 on Tuesday. 81 00:02:47,993 --> 00:02:49,168 Hope he made the most of it. 82 00:03:40,872 --> 00:03:42,264 What do you got? 83 00:03:42,265 --> 00:03:43,831 We found a knife in a garbage can 84 00:03:43,832 --> 00:03:45,224 a few blocks away from the crime scene 85 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:47,008 covered in blood. 86 00:03:47,009 --> 00:03:49,489 Four-inch tactical blade, folding, serrated, 87 00:03:49,490 --> 00:03:51,404 manufactured by Iron Forge. 88 00:03:51,405 --> 00:03:53,232 Right now the lab's trying to confirm the DNA. 89 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:54,276 But we have a murder weapon? 90 00:03:54,277 --> 00:03:55,538 Looks like it. 91 00:03:55,539 --> 00:03:58,019 And ARGUS caught the murder on video. 92 00:03:58,020 --> 00:03:59,281 Any luck on facial rec? 93 00:03:59,282 --> 00:04:00,543 Nope. Never saw his face. 94 00:04:00,544 --> 00:04:02,545 But check this out. 95 00:04:02,546 --> 00:04:04,939 OK, so you see people running through. 96 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:06,811 And then here is our vic. 97 00:04:15,646 --> 00:04:17,474 Think it was a targeted attack? 98 00:04:19,215 --> 00:04:21,347 Any theories? Who was this guy? 99 00:04:21,348 --> 00:04:23,087 Well, back in the day, Ted Hunter was 100 00:04:23,088 --> 00:04:26,003 kind of a big deal All-American football player up at Syracuse. 101 00:04:26,004 --> 00:04:28,049 He basically had a cup of coffee in the pros, 102 00:04:28,050 --> 00:04:29,224 then became a sports agent. 103 00:04:29,225 --> 00:04:30,834 He worked for ACG. 104 00:04:30,835 --> 00:04:32,706 They're one of the big three. He was with them for years. 105 00:04:32,707 --> 00:04:34,751 Very successful, very controversial too. 106 00:04:34,752 --> 00:04:37,276 Had a lot of critics and was known for playing hardball 107 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:38,973 during contract negotiations. 108 00:04:38,974 --> 00:04:40,279 And poaching clients. 109 00:04:40,280 --> 00:04:41,889 Last year, he breaks off on his own, 110 00:04:41,890 --> 00:04:43,194 starts his own firm, 111 00:04:43,195 --> 00:04:45,327 says that the system is bloated and corrupt. 112 00:04:45,328 --> 00:04:46,850 Any family? 113 00:04:46,851 --> 00:04:47,938 Two sons. 114 00:04:47,939 --> 00:04:49,113 Raised them on his own 115 00:04:49,114 --> 00:04:50,637 after his wife died in a car accident. 116 00:04:50,638 --> 00:04:52,595 OK, well, talk to the boys, see if they have any idea 117 00:04:52,596 --> 00:04:54,337 who might want to hurt their father. 118 00:04:56,731 --> 00:04:58,820 One hell of a family legacy. 119 00:05:00,343 --> 00:05:01,604 Yeah. 120 00:05:01,605 --> 00:05:04,303 Looks like you're up next, huh, Josh? 121 00:05:04,304 --> 00:05:06,261 Long as my knee holds up. 122 00:05:06,262 --> 00:05:08,263 MCL? 123 00:05:08,264 --> 00:05:09,786 Sprained it. 124 00:05:09,787 --> 00:05:12,572 Let me ask you, is anybody coming to assist you guys? 125 00:05:12,573 --> 00:05:14,574 Aunt? Uncle? - No. 126 00:05:14,575 --> 00:05:16,097 No, as a matter of fact, I'm gonna take some time off 127 00:05:16,098 --> 00:05:18,404 from school to come down here, stay with Josh. 128 00:05:18,405 --> 00:05:20,623 Our father raised us to be men, 129 00:05:20,624 --> 00:05:22,930 so we can take care of ourselves. 130 00:05:22,931 --> 00:05:24,410 Well, look, guys, we need your help. 131 00:05:24,411 --> 00:05:25,846 We need any information you can give us 132 00:05:25,847 --> 00:05:28,152 about the last couple days of your dad's life. 133 00:05:28,153 --> 00:05:30,416 Eric, you were up at Syracuse when you got the news? 134 00:05:30,417 --> 00:05:33,201 Yes, sir. I was out on the practice field 135 00:05:33,202 --> 00:05:34,768 when they came and got me. 136 00:05:34,769 --> 00:05:36,813 - And Josh, you were here? - Yeah. 137 00:05:36,814 --> 00:05:40,643 I usually run with our dad every morning in the park. 138 00:05:40,644 --> 00:05:44,168 Last few weeks, obviously, I couldn't go. 139 00:05:44,169 --> 00:05:46,040 I was sleeping in this morning. 140 00:05:46,041 --> 00:05:50,653 And I woke up to cops banging on the door. 141 00:05:50,654 --> 00:05:52,394 If I was there, I could have done something. 142 00:05:52,395 --> 00:05:54,396 Don't do that to yourself, bro. 143 00:05:54,397 --> 00:05:56,398 Listen to your brother. It's good advice. 144 00:05:56,399 --> 00:05:59,183 We have reason to believe that this was a targeted attack. 145 00:05:59,184 --> 00:06:00,489 Targeted? 146 00:06:00,490 --> 00:06:03,100 Just that this wasn't a random occurrence. 147 00:06:03,101 --> 00:06:04,145 We need your help. 148 00:06:04,146 --> 00:06:06,060 Can you guys think of any reason 149 00:06:06,061 --> 00:06:08,802 anybody wanted to hurt your father? 150 00:06:08,803 --> 00:06:10,238 No idea. 151 00:06:10,239 --> 00:06:13,415 Anything noteworthy recently or out of character? 152 00:06:13,416 --> 00:06:15,635 Did he indicate that he might have been arguing with someone? 153 00:06:15,636 --> 00:06:16,940 Or maybe someone threatened him? 154 00:06:16,941 --> 00:06:19,116 No, I talked to our father every single day. 155 00:06:19,117 --> 00:06:23,078 Um, there was one thing. 156 00:06:24,819 --> 00:06:27,037 He came home late one night this week, 157 00:06:27,038 --> 00:06:28,865 and it looked like he had been in a fight. 158 00:06:28,866 --> 00:06:30,519 Like a physical altercation? 159 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:31,912 Yeah, I guess. 160 00:06:31,913 --> 00:06:34,218 His shirt was all messed up and torn. 161 00:06:37,571 --> 00:06:39,920 - What about his lip? - Yeah. 162 00:06:39,921 --> 00:06:42,662 He had a--he had a big cut on his bottom lip. 163 00:06:42,663 --> 00:06:44,446 He tell you how this happened? 164 00:06:44,447 --> 00:06:46,709 I mean, he just kind of played it off. 165 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:49,712 Said it wasn't that big of a deal. 166 00:06:49,713 --> 00:06:53,237 It kind of looked like a big deal. 167 00:06:53,238 --> 00:06:55,022 What night was this? 168 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,461 This man, Ted Hunter. 169 00:06:59,462 --> 00:07:00,680 He was dropped off here by an Uber 170 00:07:00,681 --> 00:07:02,464 at 11:13 p.m. on Monday. 171 00:07:02,465 --> 00:07:03,726 And? 172 00:07:03,727 --> 00:07:06,512 And this morning, he got murdered. 173 00:07:06,513 --> 00:07:08,296 Sorry to hear that. 174 00:07:08,297 --> 00:07:10,951 He got into an altercation at this nightclub, 175 00:07:10,952 --> 00:07:13,562 and we need to know who he was fighting with and why. 176 00:07:13,563 --> 00:07:16,043 Can't help you, fellas. 177 00:07:16,044 --> 00:07:18,262 You can't or you won't? 178 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:20,482 The minute I start talking to the cops is the minute 179 00:07:20,483 --> 00:07:22,049 the crowds stop showing up. - Mm. 180 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:24,573 Don't know if that's can't or won't, 181 00:07:24,574 --> 00:07:26,488 but it's one of them. 182 00:07:26,489 --> 00:07:28,969 All right, well, just got a few more images to show you, 183 00:07:28,970 --> 00:07:30,971 and then we'll get out of your hair. 184 00:07:30,972 --> 00:07:32,276 Like this one. 185 00:07:32,277 --> 00:07:33,756 Budget Ballin'. 186 00:07:33,757 --> 00:07:35,454 For 30 bucks, your patrons get all the liquor 187 00:07:35,455 --> 00:07:36,759 they can handle for an hour. 188 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,065 That's a great deal. Show him the other one. 189 00:07:38,066 --> 00:07:39,022 Oh, yeah-- oh, this one I would have loved 190 00:07:39,023 --> 00:07:40,023 back in the day. 191 00:07:40,024 --> 00:07:40,937 Liquid Courage, 192 00:07:40,938 --> 00:07:42,504 a raffle for unlimited shots. 193 00:07:42,505 --> 00:07:43,766 Even better deal. 194 00:07:43,767 --> 00:07:45,420 Problem is, you can't do that. 195 00:07:45,421 --> 00:07:48,336 Any club promotion that encourages risky drinking, 196 00:07:48,337 --> 00:07:50,599 $800 fine. 197 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,166 Let me grab my wallet. 198 00:07:52,167 --> 00:07:53,776 I'll pay you in cash. With a tip. 199 00:07:53,777 --> 00:07:54,908 You misunderstood what I was saying. 200 00:07:54,909 --> 00:07:58,477 It's an $800 fine per offense. 201 00:07:58,478 --> 00:08:02,219 That means every drink that you served to every patron 202 00:08:02,220 --> 00:08:05,571 every night you had a promotion like that. 203 00:08:05,572 --> 00:08:07,355 Yeah, so we could just pull your CCTV 204 00:08:07,356 --> 00:08:08,704 and start counting them all up. 205 00:08:08,705 --> 00:08:09,792 It'll take a while. 206 00:08:09,793 --> 00:08:12,012 Come on, man. That's not right. 207 00:08:12,013 --> 00:08:14,493 It's the law. 208 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:16,625 Or you could just tell us. 209 00:08:16,626 --> 00:08:18,759 Who was Ted Hunter having an altercation with? 210 00:08:23,546 --> 00:08:25,242 OK, thank you. 211 00:08:25,243 --> 00:08:27,984 The blood on the knife is a DNA match to Hunter. 212 00:08:27,985 --> 00:08:29,638 So it's definitely our murder weapon. 213 00:08:29,639 --> 00:08:31,248 Any other fingerprints on it? 214 00:08:31,249 --> 00:08:32,686 Unfortunately, no. 215 00:08:39,475 --> 00:08:40,562 There he is. 216 00:08:40,563 --> 00:08:42,956 - Jackson Dean? - OK. 217 00:08:42,957 --> 00:08:44,827 NYPD. 218 00:08:44,828 --> 00:08:47,091 We need to talk to you about Ted Hunter. 219 00:08:48,353 --> 00:08:49,702 It hurts, man. 220 00:08:49,703 --> 00:08:51,268 He was a damn good agent. 221 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:52,661 Damn good dude too. 222 00:08:52,662 --> 00:08:54,533 Really cared about his clients. 223 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:55,490 How about everybody in your crew? 224 00:08:55,491 --> 00:08:56,578 They like him too? 225 00:08:56,579 --> 00:08:57,884 Yeah, we heard one of your buddies 226 00:08:57,885 --> 00:08:59,538 got into a fight with him a couple nights ago 227 00:08:59,539 --> 00:09:01,061 at Vortex 21. 228 00:09:01,062 --> 00:09:02,845 Is that right? 229 00:09:02,846 --> 00:09:04,238 I got to get back out there. 230 00:09:04,239 --> 00:09:06,807 No, you didn't answer my question. 231 00:09:08,025 --> 00:09:09,548 I wasn't at the club that night. 232 00:09:09,549 --> 00:09:10,592 Yeah, we know. 233 00:09:10,593 --> 00:09:11,767 But your crew, they were. 234 00:09:11,768 --> 00:09:13,943 Yeah, we got the physical description 235 00:09:13,944 --> 00:09:17,381 of a guy who tangled with Hunter that night. 236 00:09:17,382 --> 00:09:20,646 5'9", Black, cornrows. 237 00:09:20,647 --> 00:09:21,909 Ring a bell? 238 00:09:23,214 --> 00:09:25,433 There is zero chance anyone in my circle 239 00:09:25,434 --> 00:09:27,435 had anything to do with that. 240 00:09:27,436 --> 00:09:29,176 So, fellas, have a nice day. 241 00:09:29,177 --> 00:09:31,221 No, no, no, no, that's not how this works, Mr. Dean. 242 00:09:31,222 --> 00:09:33,049 You see, we're investigating a murder here. 243 00:09:33,050 --> 00:09:35,835 Which means boxing us out is not an option. 244 00:09:37,533 --> 00:09:38,577 Now, it'd be a real shame 245 00:09:38,578 --> 00:09:39,926 if we had to have this conversation 246 00:09:39,927 --> 00:09:41,754 back at the precinct, you know what I'm saying? 247 00:09:41,755 --> 00:09:44,539 Yeah, that'd mean you'd miss tonight's game. 248 00:09:57,422 --> 00:09:59,337 There he is. Right there. 249 00:10:02,471 --> 00:10:04,124 Tommy Caro. 250 00:10:04,125 --> 00:10:05,429 NYPD. 251 00:10:08,259 --> 00:10:09,346 Hey! 252 00:10:19,575 --> 00:10:21,098 Hey! 253 00:10:23,666 --> 00:10:25,624 Whoa! 254 00:10:30,630 --> 00:10:31,934 Hey, do not move! 255 00:10:31,935 --> 00:10:34,067 Stay right where you are. Get your hands up. 256 00:10:34,068 --> 00:10:35,459 Higher! 257 00:10:35,460 --> 00:10:37,026 He's got a gun. 258 00:10:37,027 --> 00:10:39,550 You even look at that piece, you're a dead man. 259 00:10:39,551 --> 00:10:40,769 Walk backwards to me. 260 00:10:40,770 --> 00:10:43,990 To my voice. - OK. 261 00:10:43,991 --> 00:10:45,165 OK. 262 00:10:59,571 --> 00:11:01,703 I would have run too. 263 00:11:01,704 --> 00:11:04,010 Criminal possession of a firearm, pretty serious. 264 00:11:04,011 --> 00:11:05,402 Minimum three and a half years. 265 00:11:05,403 --> 00:11:06,708 Well, that's what they told me last time, 266 00:11:06,709 --> 00:11:08,405 but I'm still here. - Oh, OK. 267 00:11:08,406 --> 00:11:09,929 Well, thanks for the information. 268 00:11:09,930 --> 00:11:11,670 Maybe this time we'll push for 10, given your history. 269 00:11:11,671 --> 00:11:13,584 Come on, lady. 270 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:16,805 I heard Ted Hunter got a few good licks in. 271 00:11:16,806 --> 00:11:18,372 Maybe even won the fight. 272 00:11:18,373 --> 00:11:19,678 I don't know. That's pretty impressive. 273 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,418 How old is he? Like, 52? 274 00:11:21,419 --> 00:11:23,420 - Please. - What? 275 00:11:23,421 --> 00:11:24,726 Thinking it might sting a little. 276 00:11:24,727 --> 00:11:26,728 I mean, it's embarrassing. - Whoa, whoa. 277 00:11:26,729 --> 00:11:28,730 We threw a few punches. That's it. 278 00:11:28,731 --> 00:11:30,514 Ain't nobody got embarrassed. 279 00:11:30,515 --> 00:11:32,342 And I sure as hell had nothing to do 280 00:11:32,343 --> 00:11:33,735 with that man getting killed. 281 00:11:33,736 --> 00:11:35,432 OK. 282 00:11:35,433 --> 00:11:37,608 I will note that you denied it. Fair is fair. 283 00:11:37,609 --> 00:11:39,263 Well, I'm telling the truth. 284 00:11:44,921 --> 00:11:48,271 A few days ago, Ted Hunter told Jackson 285 00:11:48,272 --> 00:11:49,969 he had to cut ties with his crew. 286 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:51,579 So we went down to the club, 287 00:11:51,580 --> 00:11:53,581 laid down Jackson's credit card, 288 00:11:53,582 --> 00:11:57,019 and ordered up some magnums of Don Julio 1942. 289 00:11:57,020 --> 00:11:59,239 A last hurrah kind of thing. 290 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,894 But we didn't know Ted was tracking 291 00:12:01,895 --> 00:12:04,723 Jackson's spending in real time. 292 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:08,596 Got an alert and came down to the club to shut us down. 293 00:12:08,597 --> 00:12:10,250 And that didn't go over well? 294 00:12:10,251 --> 00:12:12,252 No. And we got into it. 295 00:12:12,253 --> 00:12:14,254 Sorted things out, you know? 296 00:12:14,255 --> 00:12:17,475 But that was the end of it, I swear. 297 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:21,044 Where were you this morning? 298 00:12:23,133 --> 00:12:24,960 Hey. 299 00:12:24,961 --> 00:12:26,919 So Caro's alibi holds up. 300 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:28,790 At the time of the murder, he was losing his shirt 301 00:12:28,791 --> 00:12:31,837 at a casino 60 miles away in the Hudson Valley. 302 00:12:31,838 --> 00:12:33,839 - OK. - I got something here. 303 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,797 So Ted Hunter, a few months ago, 304 00:12:35,798 --> 00:12:37,407 took out a protective order on his driver, 305 00:12:37,408 --> 00:12:38,495 a guy named Ethan Matthews. 306 00:12:38,496 --> 00:12:39,801 For what? 307 00:12:39,802 --> 00:12:41,063 Well, Matthews wouldn't leave him alone. 308 00:12:41,064 --> 00:12:43,109 Kept showing up to his house, to his office. 309 00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:46,329 Hunter says stop, and Matthews threatened him. 310 00:12:46,330 --> 00:12:48,462 Sounds like a lead to me. 311 00:12:48,463 --> 00:12:49,986 Nice work. 312 00:12:52,554 --> 00:12:55,338 Ethan Matthews? 313 00:12:55,339 --> 00:12:56,818 NYPD. 314 00:12:56,819 --> 00:12:58,037 Oh, yeah. 315 00:12:58,038 --> 00:12:59,865 I know why you're here. 316 00:12:59,866 --> 00:13:01,170 Oh, yeah? 317 00:13:01,171 --> 00:13:03,477 I suppose that you admit to telling Ted Hunter 318 00:13:03,478 --> 00:13:05,000 that you wanted him dead, then? 319 00:13:05,001 --> 00:13:06,828 "You destroyed my life. 320 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:08,874 I won't stop until you feel the same pain." 321 00:13:08,875 --> 00:13:09,831 Sound familiar? 322 00:13:09,832 --> 00:13:12,094 That's me. 323 00:13:12,095 --> 00:13:14,837 I don't even recognize the man who sent that stuff. 324 00:13:17,753 --> 00:13:20,276 I didn't kill Ted Hunter. 325 00:13:20,277 --> 00:13:22,496 I owe the man my life. 326 00:13:22,497 --> 00:13:23,845 Oh, really? How's that? 327 00:13:23,846 --> 00:13:26,674 I was his personal driver for 13 years. 328 00:13:26,675 --> 00:13:29,024 Then he discovered my little secret-- 329 00:13:29,025 --> 00:13:30,156 heroin. 330 00:13:30,157 --> 00:13:31,461 So he fired me. 331 00:13:31,462 --> 00:13:34,377 I lashed out, but I'd never hurt the man. 332 00:13:34,378 --> 00:13:36,945 He was gonna hire me back after six months 333 00:13:36,946 --> 00:13:40,383 if I went to rehab and got clean, which I did. 334 00:13:40,384 --> 00:13:42,690 Hell, he paid for it. 335 00:13:42,691 --> 00:13:45,519 That's his car right there. 336 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,391 I keep it spotless, just waiting for the day 337 00:13:48,392 --> 00:13:51,220 I can pick him up and take him to work. 338 00:13:51,221 --> 00:13:52,744 It doesn't matter now. 339 00:13:56,009 --> 00:13:59,490 Tell me, his Android sync up with this? 340 00:14:01,928 --> 00:14:03,145 Hey. 341 00:14:03,146 --> 00:14:05,713 Finally got access to Ted Hunter's texts. 342 00:14:05,714 --> 00:14:07,802 And there's a nasty exchange between him 343 00:14:07,803 --> 00:14:10,413 and his youngest son's football coach, Brian Boggs. 344 00:14:10,414 --> 00:14:11,937 What were they beefing about? 345 00:14:11,938 --> 00:14:13,242 His son's knee. 346 00:14:13,243 --> 00:14:14,722 Ted thought he was fine. 347 00:14:14,723 --> 00:14:16,898 Took him to every top orthopedist in New York City. 348 00:14:16,899 --> 00:14:19,205 Doctors couldn't find anything wrong with him. 349 00:14:19,206 --> 00:14:21,642 No tear, nothing. 350 00:14:21,643 --> 00:14:23,122 Yeah, but the coach still didn't want to play him. 351 00:14:23,123 --> 00:14:24,340 So Ted got pissed, 352 00:14:24,341 --> 00:14:25,951 and in the days leading up to the murder, 353 00:14:25,952 --> 00:14:27,648 he texts the coach that he's gonna come down to the school 354 00:14:27,649 --> 00:14:29,780 and speak to him face-to-face. 355 00:14:29,781 --> 00:14:32,087 Well, it's weird that Josh didn't mention 356 00:14:32,088 --> 00:14:34,002 there was anything funky going on with football, 357 00:14:34,003 --> 00:14:35,874 because it's like that family's religion. 358 00:14:35,875 --> 00:14:39,225 So try to get to the bottom of that. 359 00:14:40,575 --> 00:14:42,184 Respectfully, I'm gonna trust 360 00:14:42,185 --> 00:14:43,838 that you and the family can sort this out. 361 00:14:43,839 --> 00:14:45,231 This has nothing to do with me. 362 00:14:45,232 --> 00:14:48,190 Oh, we're not so certain about that, Coach Boggs. 363 00:14:48,191 --> 00:14:49,496 The hell does that mean? 364 00:14:49,497 --> 00:14:50,845 It means you had some pretty sharp words 365 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:52,542 for Ted Hunter in the days before he was found 366 00:14:52,543 --> 00:14:54,196 with a knife in his chest. 367 00:14:54,197 --> 00:14:57,156 "You come after me, I'll come after you"? 368 00:14:57,157 --> 00:14:59,419 Ted didn't like some of the decisions you were making. 369 00:14:59,420 --> 00:15:00,811 So two days before the murder, 370 00:15:00,812 --> 00:15:02,988 he comes down here to sort it out. 371 00:15:02,989 --> 00:15:05,425 Seems like he was gunning for your job. 372 00:15:05,426 --> 00:15:06,817 Yeah. See, we're murder cops. 373 00:15:06,818 --> 00:15:07,906 So in our line of work, 374 00:15:07,907 --> 00:15:09,908 that kind of smells like motive. 375 00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:11,910 You got to be kidding me. 376 00:15:12,868 --> 00:15:15,043 After the doctors cleared Josh, 377 00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:17,959 Ted was angry I wasn't playing him. 378 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,309 He kept asking-- just didn't like the answer. 379 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:21,963 Which was? 380 00:15:21,964 --> 00:15:24,052 I don't think Josh ever got hurt in the first place. 381 00:15:24,053 --> 00:15:26,968 You're telling me Josh faked his injury? 382 00:15:26,969 --> 00:15:29,101 You think this was his way of quitting the team? 383 00:15:29,102 --> 00:15:32,278 I think Josh resents the type of athlete that his brother is. 384 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:35,803 He resents the idea that he's supposed to be the next one. 385 00:15:35,804 --> 00:15:37,544 I'm not sure anybody ever asked Josh 386 00:15:37,545 --> 00:15:38,980 if he really wanted to do this. 387 00:15:38,981 --> 00:15:40,982 All right, so you were just buying him some time 388 00:15:40,983 --> 00:15:42,505 while he worked things out, huh? 389 00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:43,724 He knew what a thing it would be 390 00:15:43,725 --> 00:15:45,421 for him to quit football, 391 00:15:45,422 --> 00:15:47,467 what it would mean to his father. 392 00:15:47,468 --> 00:15:49,643 So I--I played along. 393 00:15:49,644 --> 00:15:51,079 I pretended, you know, 394 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,820 that I thought he was still hurt. 395 00:15:52,821 --> 00:15:55,040 Then his father came down here spitting fire. 396 00:15:55,041 --> 00:15:56,650 And I had no choice. 397 00:15:56,651 --> 00:15:58,434 I had to tell him the truth-- 398 00:15:58,435 --> 00:16:00,045 that his son wasn't hurt, 399 00:16:00,046 --> 00:16:02,961 that he just doesn't want to play football. 400 00:16:07,096 --> 00:16:10,751 So you find the guy? 401 00:16:10,752 --> 00:16:12,492 We did, Josh. 402 00:16:12,493 --> 00:16:13,973 Take a look at this. 403 00:16:17,672 --> 00:16:19,803 That's you on Monday cutting through the gym. 404 00:16:19,804 --> 00:16:21,980 It's a shortcut to the parking lot, right? 405 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:23,155 Uh-huh. 406 00:16:24,853 --> 00:16:27,289 We've all been there-- empty gym and a ball. 407 00:16:27,290 --> 00:16:28,508 Got to take some shots, right? 408 00:16:28,509 --> 00:16:30,075 I mean, that's just being a boy. 409 00:16:31,686 --> 00:16:34,035 Bro, what are you doing? 410 00:16:34,036 --> 00:16:38,344 I mean, some days, my knee feels pretty good. 411 00:16:38,345 --> 00:16:40,868 Or you never injured it in the first place. 412 00:16:40,869 --> 00:16:42,174 What? No, that's ridiculous. 413 00:16:42,175 --> 00:16:43,479 He's--he's clearly-- 414 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,046 Coach Boggs gave you some space and some time 415 00:16:45,047 --> 00:16:48,136 to figure out what you wanted to do, right? 416 00:16:48,137 --> 00:16:50,356 Whether you wanted to play ball or not. 417 00:16:50,357 --> 00:16:55,578 He told you to go hang out in the library after school 418 00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:57,145 while practices were going on, right? 419 00:16:57,146 --> 00:16:58,364 Josh, what is this? 420 00:16:58,365 --> 00:17:00,018 Because Coach Boggs knew that you lied 421 00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:01,628 to your father about your injury, 422 00:17:01,629 --> 00:17:03,891 that you lied to your father about going to practices too. 423 00:17:03,892 --> 00:17:05,458 No, that's not true. 424 00:17:05,459 --> 00:17:07,547 Josh, we recovered 425 00:17:07,548 --> 00:17:09,549 your search history from the library. 426 00:17:09,550 --> 00:17:11,986 And we saw that you purchased a 4-inch serrated blade, 427 00:17:11,987 --> 00:17:13,509 just like this one that was found 428 00:17:13,510 --> 00:17:17,383 near the murder scene covered in your father's blood. 429 00:17:17,384 --> 00:17:18,906 Oh, my God. 430 00:17:18,907 --> 00:17:20,560 On your feet, kid. 431 00:17:20,561 --> 00:17:22,083 Come on, man. 432 00:17:22,084 --> 00:17:23,215 Come on. 433 00:17:24,869 --> 00:17:26,218 Hands behind your back. 434 00:17:26,219 --> 00:17:27,741 Josh. 435 00:17:27,742 --> 00:17:32,485 You are under arrest for the murder 436 00:17:32,486 --> 00:17:34,922 of your father, Ted Hunter. 437 00:17:34,923 --> 00:17:36,576 Josh, what are they talking about? 438 00:17:36,577 --> 00:17:38,622 Officers, hold on. Wait. 439 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:48,414 How do you feel about ordering 440 00:17:48,415 --> 00:17:49,632 from that dumpling place this evening? 441 00:17:49,633 --> 00:17:52,113 I actually brought food from home. 442 00:17:52,114 --> 00:17:54,463 I'm trying to save a little money right now. 443 00:17:54,464 --> 00:17:57,553 - You OK? - Yeah. 444 00:17:57,554 --> 00:17:59,294 It's dumb. 445 00:17:59,295 --> 00:18:01,209 I have this crazy uncle. 446 00:18:01,210 --> 00:18:02,819 He's the worst with money. 447 00:18:02,820 --> 00:18:07,302 I mean, I made budgets. I have taught him Excel. 448 00:18:07,303 --> 00:18:09,043 Nothing takes. 449 00:18:09,044 --> 00:18:12,786 So depending on the month, we all have to pay his rent. 450 00:18:12,787 --> 00:18:13,918 And this month? 451 00:18:19,141 --> 00:18:20,664 What? 452 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,670 I went to some Al-Anon meetings 453 00:18:27,671 --> 00:18:29,977 when my brother was doing terrible things to himself, 454 00:18:29,978 --> 00:18:31,152 taking drugs. 455 00:18:31,153 --> 00:18:33,154 I was banging my head into the wall. 456 00:18:33,155 --> 00:18:34,460 They have this thing. 457 00:18:34,461 --> 00:18:37,289 They call it the three C's. 458 00:18:37,290 --> 00:18:38,899 You didn't cause it. 459 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:40,248 You can't control it. 460 00:18:40,249 --> 00:18:42,990 You can't cure it. 461 00:18:42,991 --> 00:18:45,732 You know, we try and help the people we love, 462 00:18:45,733 --> 00:18:48,604 but at some point, you just draw the line. 463 00:18:48,605 --> 00:18:50,954 You walk away. 464 00:18:50,955 --> 00:18:53,131 I've been getting a lot of calls about this one. 465 00:18:53,132 --> 00:18:54,436 About Josh Hunter? 466 00:18:54,437 --> 00:18:56,482 No, about Eric Hunter. 467 00:18:56,483 --> 00:18:58,527 Well, Eric's got nothing to do with it. 468 00:18:58,528 --> 00:19:00,486 I know, but when a kid's going high in the draft, 469 00:19:00,487 --> 00:19:02,531 a lot of powerful people get nervous, so... 470 00:19:02,532 --> 00:19:05,099 Like Sam said, we have no reason to believe 471 00:19:05,100 --> 00:19:06,187 that Eric is involved. 472 00:19:06,188 --> 00:19:07,406 OK, good. 473 00:19:07,407 --> 00:19:09,190 So what do we know? 474 00:19:09,191 --> 00:19:10,844 What really happened? 475 00:19:10,845 --> 00:19:14,369 Well, it's still a work in progress, 476 00:19:14,370 --> 00:19:18,199 but largely circumstantial right now. 477 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,507 But here's what we can prove. 478 00:19:21,508 --> 00:19:25,380 Josh bought a knife identical to the murder weapon. 479 00:19:25,381 --> 00:19:27,513 There is ARGUS footage of the actual stabbing. 480 00:19:27,514 --> 00:19:29,819 Killer appears to have the same height and build as Josh. 481 00:19:29,820 --> 00:19:32,822 And when asked where he was at the time of the murder, 482 00:19:32,823 --> 00:19:35,826 Josh lied to police, said he was home. 483 00:19:37,872 --> 00:19:39,612 You seem to have left out motive. 484 00:19:39,613 --> 00:19:41,309 Ah. 485 00:19:41,310 --> 00:19:43,137 You noticed. Uh, yeah. 486 00:19:43,138 --> 00:19:44,269 Hopefully the jury will be-- 487 00:19:44,270 --> 00:19:45,748 Cases like this one can be tricky, 488 00:19:45,749 --> 00:19:47,228 even with a tidal wave of evidence. 489 00:19:47,229 --> 00:19:50,666 Juries tend to take their cue from surviving family, 490 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:52,842 almost as much as from the evidence itself. 491 00:19:52,843 --> 00:19:54,235 They'll be looking to the big brother 492 00:19:54,236 --> 00:19:55,541 to see where he comes down on this. 493 00:19:55,542 --> 00:19:57,238 Does he want justice for his father, 494 00:19:57,239 --> 00:19:59,415 or does he want to see his little brother walk free? 495 00:20:04,507 --> 00:20:05,768 Wait, I'm sorry. 496 00:20:05,769 --> 00:20:08,336 So you guys are asking me to do what exactly? 497 00:20:08,337 --> 00:20:11,861 So we need you to help the jury understand 498 00:20:11,862 --> 00:20:14,037 that your father was a good man-- 499 00:20:14,038 --> 00:20:16,388 that he loved his family, that you loved him, 500 00:20:16,389 --> 00:20:19,782 and that he will be deeply missed. 501 00:20:19,783 --> 00:20:24,700 So you want me to testify against my brother? 502 00:20:24,701 --> 00:20:28,095 Testify in support of your father. 503 00:20:28,096 --> 00:20:31,446 We know how complicated this is for you, Eric, 504 00:20:31,447 --> 00:20:34,798 but we really need your help. 505 00:20:36,409 --> 00:20:38,932 No. 506 00:20:38,933 --> 00:20:40,890 No, I won't turn my back on my brother. 507 00:20:40,891 --> 00:20:42,849 Your brother murdered your father. 508 00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:45,591 He hunted him down, he laid in wait for him, 509 00:20:45,592 --> 00:20:47,941 and he stabbed a knife into his heart twice. 510 00:20:47,942 --> 00:20:49,769 I said I won't do it. 511 00:20:49,770 --> 00:20:50,900 All right? 512 00:20:50,901 --> 00:20:52,467 So if you don't mind. 513 00:21:00,607 --> 00:21:02,216 The defense is trying to suppress 514 00:21:02,217 --> 00:21:04,131 Josh's statement to the police. 515 00:21:04,132 --> 00:21:05,786 On what basis? 516 00:21:08,441 --> 00:21:10,180 It's inadmissible hearsay. 517 00:21:10,181 --> 00:21:11,356 But it's not being offered 518 00:21:11,357 --> 00:21:12,966 for the truth of the matter asserted. 519 00:21:12,967 --> 00:21:15,925 It's being offered to show consciousness of guilt. 520 00:21:15,926 --> 00:21:17,971 He told the police he was at home 521 00:21:17,972 --> 00:21:20,408 nursing a knee injury in order to establish a false alibi. 522 00:21:20,409 --> 00:21:21,670 My client's statement to the police 523 00:21:21,671 --> 00:21:23,368 is legally unreliable. 524 00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:24,630 Why is that? 525 00:21:24,631 --> 00:21:25,805 It was given under extreme duress. 526 00:21:25,806 --> 00:21:27,328 There is no evidence of coercion. 527 00:21:27,329 --> 00:21:28,460 There doesn't need to be. 528 00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:30,375 My client is 17 years old. 529 00:21:30,376 --> 00:21:31,637 He is a child. 530 00:21:31,638 --> 00:21:33,639 He was in a very fragile state. 531 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,423 He had just learned his father was killed. 532 00:21:35,424 --> 00:21:36,946 He wasn't thinking clearly. 533 00:21:36,947 --> 00:21:40,428 And the prosecutors want to use this moment of confusion 534 00:21:40,429 --> 00:21:42,125 to bury him. 535 00:21:42,126 --> 00:21:44,171 They're basing their whole damn case on this one misstatement, 536 00:21:44,172 --> 00:21:47,522 which, by the way, was given without an adult present, 537 00:21:47,523 --> 00:21:49,568 except for Josh's 20-year-old brother, 538 00:21:49,569 --> 00:21:50,960 who was also grieving. 539 00:21:50,961 --> 00:21:53,006 No, the defendant was not being interrogated. 540 00:21:53,007 --> 00:21:54,834 He didn't have the right to an interested adult. 541 00:21:54,835 --> 00:21:56,531 He was also not under arrest. 542 00:21:56,532 --> 00:21:58,751 He talked with the police freely and voluntarily. 543 00:21:58,752 --> 00:22:00,100 Enough. 544 00:22:00,101 --> 00:22:02,668 Looking at the totality of the circumstances, 545 00:22:02,669 --> 00:22:05,671 the declarant's age, his state of mind, 546 00:22:05,672 --> 00:22:07,281 the lack of counsel, 547 00:22:07,282 --> 00:22:08,674 I'm granting the motion. 548 00:22:08,675 --> 00:22:10,153 Your Honor, I would urge you-- 549 00:22:10,154 --> 00:22:11,633 It's over, Mr. Price. 550 00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:13,853 His statement to the police regarding his whereabouts 551 00:22:13,854 --> 00:22:15,943 the day of the murder is out. 552 00:22:21,209 --> 00:22:22,427 Look, we're still fine. 553 00:22:22,428 --> 00:22:23,950 We've got video of the crime. 554 00:22:23,951 --> 00:22:26,605 Which is grainy and doesn't reveal the killer's face. 555 00:22:26,606 --> 00:22:28,781 We can prove Josh bought the knife. 556 00:22:28,782 --> 00:22:31,087 How many of those knives were sold last year? 557 00:22:31,088 --> 00:22:34,134 - 5,703. - Yeah. 558 00:22:34,135 --> 00:22:36,963 We need a theory of the case, 559 00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:40,183 a narrative for the jury to buy into. 560 00:22:40,184 --> 00:22:41,490 Motive. 561 00:22:42,752 --> 00:22:44,753 Other than the defendant, who won't talk, 562 00:22:44,754 --> 00:22:46,886 and the victim, who can't, 563 00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:48,714 there is only one other person who can help us 564 00:22:48,715 --> 00:22:50,324 make sense of this-- Eric Hunter. 565 00:22:50,325 --> 00:22:51,630 Eric was very clear. 566 00:22:51,631 --> 00:22:53,458 He's not interested in working with us. 567 00:22:53,459 --> 00:22:55,155 I get that he is in a tight spot, 568 00:22:55,156 --> 00:22:56,635 but at the end of the day, 569 00:22:56,636 --> 00:22:57,984 wouldn't you want justice for your father? 570 00:22:57,985 --> 00:22:59,289 Yeah. 571 00:22:59,290 --> 00:23:02,205 A father that Eric idolized by all accounts. 572 00:23:02,206 --> 00:23:04,425 Teenagers who murder their parents 573 00:23:04,426 --> 00:23:05,948 basically fall into two camps. 574 00:23:05,949 --> 00:23:07,733 They are mentally ill, which doesn't appear 575 00:23:07,734 --> 00:23:09,561 to be the case here, or they're rebelling 576 00:23:09,562 --> 00:23:10,736 against parental control, all right? 577 00:23:10,737 --> 00:23:13,913 Rules about dating, curfews, money. 578 00:23:13,914 --> 00:23:16,176 I spoke with Josh's friends, teachers. 579 00:23:16,177 --> 00:23:17,612 He seemed pretty normal. 580 00:23:17,613 --> 00:23:19,309 He spent most of his time playing sports. 581 00:23:19,310 --> 00:23:21,616 Have Computer Crimes take another look at his phone, 582 00:23:21,617 --> 00:23:23,792 his computer, see what websites 583 00:23:23,793 --> 00:23:26,839 he was visiting, who he was communicating with, 584 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,842 sharing his feelings with. 585 00:23:35,283 --> 00:23:38,938 We just got encrypted messages exchanged between Josh Hunter 586 00:23:38,939 --> 00:23:40,548 and his therapist, covering a period 587 00:23:40,549 --> 00:23:43,159 of seven months prior to the murder. 588 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,510 I'm sure that's helpful, but conversations 589 00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:47,250 between a defendant and his therapist 590 00:23:47,251 --> 00:23:48,469 are obviously privileged. 591 00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:50,906 Yeah, if the therapist is a human being. 592 00:23:50,907 --> 00:23:52,212 Pardon me? 593 00:23:52,213 --> 00:23:56,042 Josh's therapist was an AI-generated chatbot. 594 00:23:56,043 --> 00:23:57,130 What? 595 00:23:58,654 --> 00:24:01,221 So who was on the other end of the phone, so to speak? 596 00:24:01,222 --> 00:24:03,789 No one. An algorithm. 597 00:24:03,790 --> 00:24:06,095 Was anyone monitoring the conversation? 598 00:24:06,096 --> 00:24:08,533 The advice this therapist was doling out? 599 00:24:08,534 --> 00:24:10,186 No. 600 00:24:12,276 --> 00:24:14,104 That is terrifying. 601 00:24:17,543 --> 00:24:19,021 It's more common than you might think. 602 00:24:19,022 --> 00:24:21,633 Young people are more comfortable talking to a screen 603 00:24:21,634 --> 00:24:23,243 than a human being. 604 00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:24,810 This is uncharted territory, 605 00:24:24,811 --> 00:24:27,029 but if Josh was talking to a machine, 606 00:24:27,030 --> 00:24:29,510 then in my mind, that's fair game. 607 00:24:29,511 --> 00:24:31,469 What did the messages say? 608 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:33,514 There are thousands of them. We're still reading. 609 00:24:33,515 --> 00:24:35,690 But so far, we can tell 610 00:24:35,691 --> 00:24:37,823 that Josh was in a very dark place. 611 00:24:37,824 --> 00:24:39,825 He began to despise his father. 612 00:24:39,826 --> 00:24:42,131 Apparently, his father was very controlling 613 00:24:42,132 --> 00:24:44,830 and forced him into an extreme exercise regimen. 614 00:24:44,831 --> 00:24:47,963 I'm talking extreme-- like, hard to believe. 615 00:24:47,964 --> 00:24:50,183 The goal, of course, was to mold him 616 00:24:50,184 --> 00:24:51,401 into an elite athlete. 617 00:24:51,402 --> 00:24:53,839 He also kept him on a very strict diet. 618 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,668 No carbs, no sugar, no processed food. 619 00:24:56,669 --> 00:24:58,321 He found a Snickers in his backpack once. 620 00:24:58,322 --> 00:25:01,107 He made him run home from practice, 10 miles. 621 00:25:01,108 --> 00:25:03,370 "He's gonna run me to death. Literally. 622 00:25:03,371 --> 00:25:06,113 I hate him. It's him or me." 623 00:25:08,463 --> 00:25:11,204 We have a disciplinarian father 624 00:25:11,205 --> 00:25:13,554 putting his son through an extreme 625 00:25:13,555 --> 00:25:15,556 exercise and nutritional regimen, 626 00:25:15,557 --> 00:25:17,776 which worked wonders on Eric, 627 00:25:17,777 --> 00:25:20,648 turned him into an NFL prospect. 628 00:25:20,649 --> 00:25:22,128 But it turned Josh-- 629 00:25:22,129 --> 00:25:24,870 Into a murderer. 630 00:25:24,871 --> 00:25:27,830 Sure sounds like motive to me. 631 00:25:31,921 --> 00:25:34,227 These text conversations are protected 632 00:25:34,228 --> 00:25:35,620 by patient-therapist privilege, Your Honor. 633 00:25:35,621 --> 00:25:38,013 That is ridiculous and bizarre. 634 00:25:38,014 --> 00:25:40,973 The defendant was communicating with an AI generated chatbot, 635 00:25:40,974 --> 00:25:42,365 not a therapist. 636 00:25:42,366 --> 00:25:43,453 The privilege was designed 637 00:25:43,454 --> 00:25:44,933 to encourage people to get help. 638 00:25:44,934 --> 00:25:46,456 That's exactly what Josh did. 639 00:25:46,457 --> 00:25:48,067 He thought he was talking to a real therapist. 640 00:25:48,068 --> 00:25:49,416 Well, the law is clear. 641 00:25:49,417 --> 00:25:51,287 Privilege applies only to registered, 642 00:25:51,288 --> 00:25:53,420 licensed mental health professionals. 643 00:25:53,421 --> 00:25:55,857 Courts have found that attorney-client privilege 644 00:25:55,858 --> 00:25:57,598 applies to unlicensed lawyers. 645 00:25:57,599 --> 00:26:00,166 The same standard should apply to unlicensed therapists. 646 00:26:00,167 --> 00:26:04,257 It's immaterial if this thing is licensed or unlicensed. 647 00:26:04,258 --> 00:26:06,564 It's not a therapist in the first place. 648 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,609 AI-generated therapy is an emerging practice. 649 00:26:08,610 --> 00:26:10,872 The law goes hand in hand with human progress. 650 00:26:10,873 --> 00:26:12,221 But that has nothing to do 651 00:26:12,222 --> 00:26:13,962 with the current state of the law. 652 00:26:13,963 --> 00:26:16,138 If Mr. Winters feels strongly about this issue, 653 00:26:16,139 --> 00:26:17,705 he should go to Albany and lobby 654 00:26:17,706 --> 00:26:20,099 for legislation allowing machines 655 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,491 to become licensed therapists. 656 00:26:21,492 --> 00:26:23,711 Short of that, privilege does not apply, 657 00:26:23,712 --> 00:26:26,018 which means this is admissible evidence 658 00:26:26,019 --> 00:26:29,021 vital to the People's case. 659 00:26:29,022 --> 00:26:32,415 I agree with the People. 660 00:26:32,416 --> 00:26:34,069 I'm not extending privilege to what amounts 661 00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:37,812 to a computer program simulating human conversation. 662 00:26:37,813 --> 00:26:39,161 Motion denied. 663 00:26:39,162 --> 00:26:40,599 Thank you, Your Honor. 664 00:26:42,078 --> 00:26:43,818 In reviewing the messages 665 00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:47,430 that Josh sent his so-called therapist, 666 00:26:47,431 --> 00:26:50,520 could you describe the general tone? 667 00:26:50,521 --> 00:26:52,348 Angry. Resentful. 668 00:26:52,349 --> 00:26:54,046 Angry at whom? 669 00:26:54,047 --> 00:26:56,004 His father, Ted Hunter. 670 00:26:56,005 --> 00:26:57,440 Resentful about what? 671 00:26:57,441 --> 00:26:58,833 Football, basically. 672 00:26:58,834 --> 00:27:00,880 The training regimen that his father implemented. 673 00:27:05,928 --> 00:27:08,713 Are these the defendant's words? 674 00:27:08,714 --> 00:27:09,975 Yes, they are. 675 00:27:09,976 --> 00:27:11,846 He wrote that March 12th. 676 00:27:11,847 --> 00:27:15,023 And later that same day, did he make an online purchase? 677 00:27:15,024 --> 00:27:17,373 He spent $249 678 00:27:17,374 --> 00:27:20,594 on a tactical, serrated, folding blade 679 00:27:20,595 --> 00:27:23,031 manufactured by Iron Forge. 680 00:27:23,032 --> 00:27:24,424 He had that sent to his home. 681 00:27:24,425 --> 00:27:25,817 Who paid for it? 682 00:27:25,818 --> 00:27:27,907 He used his father's credit card. 683 00:27:30,866 --> 00:27:33,694 I'm showing you what's been marked as Exhibit 9B. 684 00:27:33,695 --> 00:27:35,174 Have you seen this knife before? 685 00:27:35,175 --> 00:27:37,132 I have. We found that in a trash can 686 00:27:37,133 --> 00:27:38,220 near the murder scene. 687 00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:39,613 It was coated in blood. 688 00:27:39,614 --> 00:27:42,224 And DNA test results confirmed 689 00:27:42,225 --> 00:27:44,444 that is indeed the victim's blood. 690 00:27:44,445 --> 00:27:46,664 Could you describe this knife? 691 00:27:46,665 --> 00:27:50,580 It is a serrated, folding, tactical blade 692 00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:52,408 manufactured by Iron Forge. 693 00:27:52,409 --> 00:27:54,410 Thank you, Detective. 694 00:27:54,411 --> 00:27:56,370 Your Honor, may I? 695 00:27:59,634 --> 00:28:02,027 Can you read the message that Josh sent to his therapist 696 00:28:02,028 --> 00:28:03,637 on January 22nd? 697 00:28:03,638 --> 00:28:04,986 "Couldn't finish sled sprints, 698 00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:08,163 "so Dad made me do 200 Nordics on the SledTred. 699 00:28:08,164 --> 00:28:11,819 Barfed up my protein shake, so Dad made me do 100 more." 700 00:28:11,820 --> 00:28:14,604 So it's clear that the defendant was forced 701 00:28:14,605 --> 00:28:17,259 to exercise until he vomited. 702 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:20,610 His punishment for vomiting is that he had to exercise more. 703 00:28:20,611 --> 00:28:22,221 Do I have that right? 704 00:28:22,222 --> 00:28:23,439 It would appear so. 705 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,224 How did Josh's therapist respond? 706 00:28:25,225 --> 00:28:27,662 - Objection. - Overruled. 707 00:28:30,796 --> 00:28:33,406 "Josh, what you're describing is deliberately aggressive, 708 00:28:33,407 --> 00:28:36,757 "violent behavior causing bodily harm. 709 00:28:36,758 --> 00:28:39,107 The definition of physical abuse." 710 00:28:41,241 --> 00:28:43,111 "I believe your life is in danger." 711 00:28:43,112 --> 00:28:44,939 So it was the opinion of Josh's therapist-- 712 00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:46,201 Objection. 713 00:28:46,202 --> 00:28:49,248 Your Honor, in what world are the musings 714 00:28:49,249 --> 00:28:52,773 of some algorithm remotely relevant in this court? 715 00:28:52,774 --> 00:28:55,123 It is relevant to support my client's assertion 716 00:28:55,124 --> 00:28:56,777 of self-defense. 717 00:28:56,778 --> 00:28:58,387 Which is the first we're hearing 718 00:28:58,388 --> 00:29:01,477 anything related to self-defense, Your Honor. 719 00:29:01,478 --> 00:29:03,262 I'll see counsel in chambers. 720 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:09,007 Your Honor, the facts do not support 721 00:29:09,008 --> 00:29:10,356 a claim of self-defense. 722 00:29:10,357 --> 00:29:12,140 The defendant hunted down the victim. 723 00:29:12,141 --> 00:29:13,315 He was never in danger. 724 00:29:13,316 --> 00:29:14,708 My client thought he was in danger. 725 00:29:14,709 --> 00:29:16,231 No, that is not enough. 726 00:29:16,232 --> 00:29:18,059 The defense would have to prove that a reasonable person 727 00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:19,974 in the same situation would do the same thing. 728 00:29:19,975 --> 00:29:22,455 Not when the accused is suffering 729 00:29:22,456 --> 00:29:23,935 from battered child syndrome. 730 00:29:23,936 --> 00:29:26,241 Which isn't a recognized defense in New York. 731 00:29:26,242 --> 00:29:27,590 7.06. 732 00:29:27,591 --> 00:29:28,896 Battered woman syndrome? 733 00:29:28,897 --> 00:29:30,550 That's what we call it colloquially, 734 00:29:30,551 --> 00:29:33,118 but actually it's called the abused person syndrome, 735 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,381 which covers people who are related by consanguinity, 736 00:29:35,382 --> 00:29:36,686 blood relatives. 737 00:29:36,687 --> 00:29:39,515 The statute is clearly intended to protect 738 00:29:39,516 --> 00:29:41,909 adult blood relatives and women. 739 00:29:41,910 --> 00:29:45,521 Except it doesn't say that explicitly. 740 00:29:45,522 --> 00:29:47,349 I'm allowing it. 741 00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:49,830 It's up to the jury to decide whether the defendant 742 00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:53,574 reasonably believed his life was in danger or not. 743 00:30:00,886 --> 00:30:02,669 What did you conclude, Doctor Morley, 744 00:30:02,670 --> 00:30:04,802 from your forensic evaluation of my client? 745 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:07,674 I believe that Josh suffers from battered child syndrome 746 00:30:07,675 --> 00:30:09,763 as a result of verbal degradation, 747 00:30:09,764 --> 00:30:12,374 extreme discipline, and physical punishment. 748 00:30:12,375 --> 00:30:14,028 Josh's father may have believed 749 00:30:14,029 --> 00:30:16,030 he was pursuing structure and discipline, 750 00:30:16,031 --> 00:30:18,032 but it crossed the line into abuse. 751 00:30:18,033 --> 00:30:19,991 And it lasted for years, 752 00:30:19,992 --> 00:30:22,602 essentially from the onset of Josh's pubescence 753 00:30:22,603 --> 00:30:24,299 until the day of his father's death. 754 00:30:24,300 --> 00:30:28,129 How did that impact Josh's ability to perceive danger? 755 00:30:28,130 --> 00:30:30,218 He developed chronic hypervigilance. 756 00:30:30,219 --> 00:30:33,092 He was always bracing for more punishment. 757 00:30:34,267 --> 00:30:35,789 He lived in fear. 758 00:30:35,790 --> 00:30:37,660 Worse than that, arguably. 759 00:30:37,661 --> 00:30:40,620 Kill or be killed. 760 00:30:40,621 --> 00:30:42,840 That's more like it. 761 00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:44,363 Thank you, Doctor Morley. 762 00:30:44,364 --> 00:30:45,930 Cross-examination. 763 00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:48,062 Did Josh tell you that his father beat him? 764 00:30:48,063 --> 00:30:49,107 No. 765 00:30:49,108 --> 00:30:50,108 Threatened his life? 766 00:30:50,109 --> 00:30:51,718 No. 767 00:30:51,719 --> 00:30:55,635 So Josh Hunter's perception that his life was in danger 768 00:30:55,636 --> 00:30:58,072 at the moment that he elected 769 00:30:58,073 --> 00:31:00,770 to plunge a knife into his father's heart, 770 00:31:00,771 --> 00:31:04,862 this perception was not genuine or reasonable, was it? 771 00:31:04,863 --> 00:31:08,300 I can only tell you what I observed, Mr. Price, 772 00:31:08,301 --> 00:31:10,780 which is that Josh believed on that morning 773 00:31:10,781 --> 00:31:14,654 that his life, his survival, was in jeopardy. 774 00:31:14,655 --> 00:31:17,178 Only Josh has seen what he has seen, 775 00:31:17,179 --> 00:31:18,223 feared what he has feared 776 00:31:18,224 --> 00:31:20,181 in the way that he has feared it. 777 00:31:20,182 --> 00:31:24,446 You are free to call his actions unreasonable. 778 00:31:24,447 --> 00:31:26,796 I suppose your job requires it. 779 00:31:26,797 --> 00:31:29,583 I'm just not comfortable doing that. 780 00:31:31,541 --> 00:31:33,542 You loved your father, didn't you? 781 00:31:33,543 --> 00:31:35,370 Yes. 782 00:31:35,371 --> 00:31:37,633 He--he was my hero. 783 00:31:37,634 --> 00:31:39,158 And you killed him? 784 00:31:43,031 --> 00:31:44,511 Yeah. 785 00:31:46,643 --> 00:31:50,820 I guess I just snapped. 786 00:31:50,821 --> 00:31:54,824 I can't explain it, but I couldn't take it anymore. 787 00:31:54,825 --> 00:31:56,697 You ever been to McDonald's, Josh? 788 00:31:59,352 --> 00:32:02,615 Uh, no. 789 00:32:02,616 --> 00:32:05,139 Ever tried movie theater popcorn? 790 00:32:05,140 --> 00:32:06,184 No. 791 00:32:06,185 --> 00:32:07,359 A sip of beer? 792 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,796 No. 793 00:32:09,797 --> 00:32:12,842 You go to prom last year? 794 00:32:12,843 --> 00:32:16,672 Um, my dad didn't want me to go. 795 00:32:16,673 --> 00:32:19,632 Shortly before your dad's death, 796 00:32:19,633 --> 00:32:21,416 you more or less quit the team. 797 00:32:21,417 --> 00:32:22,722 Yeah. 798 00:32:22,723 --> 00:32:25,464 Uh, I told everybody that my knee was injured. 799 00:32:25,465 --> 00:32:27,596 Did your dad find out? 800 00:32:27,597 --> 00:32:28,597 Yeah. 801 00:32:28,598 --> 00:32:29,816 What did he do? 802 00:32:29,817 --> 00:32:32,862 He woke me up at 2:00 a.m. 803 00:32:32,863 --> 00:32:35,996 and we drove out to the football field. 804 00:32:35,997 --> 00:32:39,304 Did this thing called 50-40s, 805 00:32:39,305 --> 00:32:41,871 where you sprint to the 40-yard line and back 806 00:32:41,872 --> 00:32:45,964 25 times on a timer. 807 00:32:47,443 --> 00:32:49,009 Did you make it? 808 00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:50,663 No. 809 00:32:50,664 --> 00:32:55,842 So he made me do it again until I threw up. 810 00:32:55,843 --> 00:32:59,238 He bring you water or anything? 811 00:33:01,022 --> 00:33:03,067 No. 812 00:33:03,068 --> 00:33:07,767 He said, "This is just the beginning. 813 00:33:07,768 --> 00:33:10,074 I'm gonna turn you into a man." 814 00:33:10,075 --> 00:33:11,336 Whatever it took. 815 00:33:11,337 --> 00:33:12,728 Did that scare you? 816 00:33:12,729 --> 00:33:16,428 I've never been so afraid in my entire life. 817 00:33:18,474 --> 00:33:20,171 I thought he was gonna kill me. 818 00:33:20,172 --> 00:33:21,650 Thank you. 819 00:33:21,651 --> 00:33:22,782 Nothing further. 820 00:33:25,916 --> 00:33:28,483 Josh, did you ever tell your father 821 00:33:28,484 --> 00:33:32,618 that you didn't want to be an elite football player? 822 00:33:32,619 --> 00:33:34,098 No. 823 00:33:34,099 --> 00:33:35,751 God, no. 824 00:33:35,752 --> 00:33:39,190 So you have no way of knowing how he would have responded. 825 00:33:39,191 --> 00:33:42,062 I know exactly how he would have responded. 826 00:33:42,063 --> 00:33:44,760 He would have called me a sissy and then tortured me 827 00:33:44,761 --> 00:33:47,111 with some sort of crazy workout. 828 00:33:47,112 --> 00:33:50,331 Did you ever raise any of your fears or concerns 829 00:33:50,332 --> 00:33:53,552 with your teachers at school? 830 00:33:53,553 --> 00:33:55,032 - No. - Your coaches? 831 00:33:55,033 --> 00:33:57,077 Your--your teammates? - No. 832 00:33:57,078 --> 00:33:59,210 Did you ever call the police? 833 00:33:59,211 --> 00:34:02,604 No. But I told my brother, Eric. 834 00:34:02,605 --> 00:34:03,953 Told him what? 835 00:34:03,954 --> 00:34:06,652 I told him that my dad was gonna kill me. 836 00:34:06,653 --> 00:34:11,048 And he just-- he told me to suck it up. 837 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:13,007 Be a man. 838 00:34:16,445 --> 00:34:18,882 I wish I was tougher, man. 839 00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:22,886 But I'm not. 840 00:34:24,845 --> 00:34:26,628 I'm not you, Eric. 841 00:34:30,242 --> 00:34:34,723 I'm... so sorry. 842 00:34:38,772 --> 00:34:41,252 I'm so sorry. 843 00:34:47,346 --> 00:34:49,347 You think the jury might actually find 844 00:34:49,348 --> 00:34:51,262 that Josh acted in self-defense? 845 00:34:51,263 --> 00:34:53,612 I think there is enough of a chance 846 00:34:53,613 --> 00:34:56,484 that we should consider offering him the opportunity 847 00:34:56,485 --> 00:34:58,530 to plead out manslaughter. 848 00:34:58,531 --> 00:35:00,706 After hearing that testimony in the courtroom, 849 00:35:00,707 --> 00:35:03,143 I think it might be the right ethical choice too. 850 00:35:03,144 --> 00:35:06,364 No. 851 00:35:06,365 --> 00:35:08,975 You don't get to stalk down a human being 852 00:35:08,976 --> 00:35:13,371 and put a knife in their heart because you're too weak 853 00:35:13,372 --> 00:35:15,764 to handle what the world served you. 854 00:35:15,765 --> 00:35:17,810 By all accounts, Eric Hunter went through 855 00:35:17,811 --> 00:35:20,117 exactly the same thing as Josh did. 856 00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:22,554 And Eric appears to be well-adjusted, thriving even, 857 00:35:22,555 --> 00:35:23,990 at least before this. 858 00:35:23,991 --> 00:35:25,557 Well, they're not cookie cutters, Nolan. 859 00:35:25,558 --> 00:35:26,993 We're all built differently. 860 00:35:26,994 --> 00:35:29,256 Which is, again, not a justification for murder. 861 00:35:29,257 --> 00:35:32,607 My father was... 862 00:35:32,608 --> 00:35:36,133 not exactly warm and fuzzy. 863 00:35:36,134 --> 00:35:40,702 He was cold and unforgiving. 864 00:35:40,703 --> 00:35:41,964 There was not a lot of affection. 865 00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:44,489 He shook my hand once a year on my birthday. 866 00:35:44,490 --> 00:35:48,014 And--and guess what. 867 00:35:48,015 --> 00:35:50,625 Neither I nor either of my two brothers 868 00:35:50,626 --> 00:35:53,150 ever resorted to murdering him. 869 00:35:55,414 --> 00:35:57,632 So what's the plan, Nolan? 870 00:35:57,633 --> 00:36:00,983 I'm gonna call Eric Hunter as a rebuttal witness. 871 00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:02,855 As a hostile witness? 872 00:36:02,856 --> 00:36:04,248 Correct. 873 00:36:07,208 --> 00:36:09,035 OK. 874 00:36:09,036 --> 00:36:10,254 Trust your instincts. 875 00:36:21,570 --> 00:36:23,615 Can you tell the jury the circumstances 876 00:36:23,616 --> 00:36:25,225 under which you're here? 877 00:36:25,226 --> 00:36:26,922 You gave me a subpoena. 878 00:36:26,923 --> 00:36:30,448 Making you what we call a hostile witness. 879 00:36:30,449 --> 00:36:32,232 You're not here 'cause you want to be here. 880 00:36:32,233 --> 00:36:33,538 Correct. 881 00:36:33,539 --> 00:36:34,626 What did I tell you would happen 882 00:36:34,627 --> 00:36:37,716 if you did not testify here today? 883 00:36:37,717 --> 00:36:39,935 That I would be arrested. 884 00:36:39,936 --> 00:36:41,372 What did I tell you would happen 885 00:36:41,373 --> 00:36:43,504 if you did not tell the truth? 886 00:36:43,505 --> 00:36:45,463 I would be charged with perjury. 887 00:36:45,464 --> 00:36:48,292 And you understand both of those things? 888 00:36:48,293 --> 00:36:49,771 Yes, I do. 889 00:36:49,772 --> 00:36:52,209 Was your father a horrible man? 890 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:54,472 A monster? 891 00:36:54,473 --> 00:36:56,474 - No. - Did he deserve to die? 892 00:36:56,475 --> 00:36:59,041 - No. - Did he love you? 893 00:36:59,042 --> 00:37:00,129 Yes. 894 00:37:00,130 --> 00:37:01,480 Did he love your brother? 895 00:37:03,046 --> 00:37:04,221 Yes. 896 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:08,181 Your father wanted you boys to succeed. 897 00:37:08,182 --> 00:37:10,662 Correct? - Yes. 898 00:37:10,663 --> 00:37:13,447 When our mother died, he-- 899 00:37:13,448 --> 00:37:16,276 he was terrified. 900 00:37:16,277 --> 00:37:19,061 He didn't think he had what it took to raise us alone. 901 00:37:19,062 --> 00:37:22,500 So he became very strict. 902 00:37:22,501 --> 00:37:24,937 He believed in tough love? 903 00:37:24,938 --> 00:37:27,548 - Yes. - Next year, you expect 904 00:37:27,549 --> 00:37:30,029 to be drafted into the NFL, correct? 905 00:37:30,030 --> 00:37:32,379 Well, I hope to be so lucky. Yes. 906 00:37:32,380 --> 00:37:33,641 Would you be a first round pick 907 00:37:33,642 --> 00:37:34,816 if it weren't for your father? 908 00:37:34,817 --> 00:37:37,819 - No. - But he was hard on you. 909 00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:38,994 Yes. 910 00:37:38,995 --> 00:37:40,692 He said cruel things to you sometimes. 911 00:37:40,693 --> 00:37:42,302 He questioned your commitment. 912 00:37:42,303 --> 00:37:43,695 He made you work out extra hard. 913 00:37:43,696 --> 00:37:45,305 He ran you to the point of exhaustion 914 00:37:45,306 --> 00:37:46,393 Yes. 915 00:37:46,394 --> 00:37:47,438 Did you ever try to murder him? 916 00:37:47,439 --> 00:37:49,004 No! 917 00:37:50,572 --> 00:37:53,226 But see, Josh isn't like me. All right? 918 00:37:53,227 --> 00:37:55,228 He's a good person. 919 00:37:55,229 --> 00:37:56,534 Better than me. 920 00:37:58,276 --> 00:37:59,711 You see, I could just turn it off. 921 00:37:59,712 --> 00:38:03,062 But Josh, he's-- he's sensitive. 922 00:38:03,063 --> 00:38:04,716 He felt stuff deep down, 923 00:38:04,717 --> 00:38:07,545 and all of that hurt him. 924 00:38:07,546 --> 00:38:09,068 It hurt him more than I-- 925 00:38:09,069 --> 00:38:11,767 than I ever even knew until now. 926 00:38:13,943 --> 00:38:17,381 Because he didn't tell you about his feelings. 927 00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,992 Did he, Eric? 928 00:38:19,993 --> 00:38:21,733 No. 929 00:38:21,734 --> 00:38:25,127 In fact, despite what Josh told this jury 930 00:38:25,128 --> 00:38:27,956 in his sworn testimony, he never told you 931 00:38:27,957 --> 00:38:30,350 that he thought your father was gonna kill him, did he? 932 00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:37,357 No. He never said that. 933 00:38:37,358 --> 00:38:38,968 He, uh... 934 00:38:40,927 --> 00:38:43,276 He never said that he thought that 935 00:38:43,277 --> 00:38:45,104 our father was gonna kill him. 936 00:38:49,152 --> 00:38:50,544 Nothing further. 937 00:38:54,897 --> 00:38:58,291 Members of the jury, have you agreed upon a verdict? 938 00:38:58,292 --> 00:38:59,815 We have. 939 00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:05,646 We find the defendant, Josh Hunter, 940 00:39:05,647 --> 00:39:07,953 guilty of murder in the second degree. 941 00:39:09,303 --> 00:39:11,304 Thank you for your service. 942 00:39:11,305 --> 00:39:12,610 We are adjourned. 943 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:46,426 Eric. 944 00:39:46,427 --> 00:39:49,298 Look, man, you got what you wanted, all right? 945 00:39:49,299 --> 00:39:51,910 Now, please, leave me alone. 946 00:39:51,911 --> 00:39:55,827 Whatever you are thinking or feeling right now, 947 00:39:55,828 --> 00:39:58,786 your father did not deserve to die. 948 00:39:58,787 --> 00:40:03,617 Don't blame yourself for what your brother did. 949 00:40:03,618 --> 00:40:05,533 Yeah, well, it's not that easy. 950 00:40:11,191 --> 00:40:12,452 I get it. 951 00:40:12,453 --> 00:40:14,498 I do. 952 00:40:14,499 --> 00:40:16,456 I had a brother. 953 00:40:16,457 --> 00:40:19,024 He's gone now. He overdosed. 954 00:40:19,025 --> 00:40:20,808 And I always asked myself if there's more 955 00:40:20,809 --> 00:40:22,288 that I could have done to prevent that. 956 00:40:22,289 --> 00:40:23,811 But the truth is, 957 00:40:23,812 --> 00:40:27,249 he was a grown man, 958 00:40:27,250 --> 00:40:30,166 and he made his own tragic choices. 959 00:40:31,472 --> 00:40:33,169 You really believe that? 960 00:40:35,389 --> 00:40:38,347 The strong protect the weak. 961 00:40:38,348 --> 00:40:40,393 That's how the world works. 962 00:40:40,394 --> 00:40:42,700 Well, that's how it's supposed to work anyway. 963 00:40:42,701 --> 00:40:45,790 I failed Josh, man. 964 00:40:45,791 --> 00:40:48,401 It's as simple as that. 965 00:40:48,402 --> 00:40:50,969 And unlike you, 966 00:40:50,970 --> 00:40:54,190 I will never be able to forgive myself for that. 69054

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