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- [Raj Voiceover] The central part of my work
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is the fact that
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no matter age,
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race, size, whatever,
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it doesn't matter.
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Your body deserves pleasure.
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- [Oscar Voiceover] The reason that I like
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providing the service is because it allows me
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to really be present with that person who's in front of me
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to make sure that I give them the most of my attention
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so that they feel like they're being heard, understood.
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- [Rogue Status Voiceover] In some way or another,
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I'm kind of this sexual teacher, rubber, and leather,
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and knot tying, and shibari, and BDSM play, and limits,
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and what's right, what's wrong, how to navigate
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and trust and bond with your partner in that way.
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- [Jon Voiceover] There's still that taboo of,
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oh, you hired someone for sex work.
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That must mean something about you.
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These are people that want human compassion,
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want touch, want a massage,
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want, you know, the same thing that everyone else does.
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- [Rogue Status] I think people lie to themselves
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about what their wants and needs
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and desires are for so long.
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It's a way for them
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that they can actually be themselves for a minute.
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- [Oscar] Touch doesn't always necessarily
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have to mean intimacy, and intimacy doesn't always
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have to mean a romantic situation.
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We can separate those things.
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- [Raj] That separation needs to happen.
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Sex means so many other things than what it is.
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It's just like another way of expressing yourself,
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another way that your body receives any kind of healing.
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- [Jon] Lots of people don't have the same benefits
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of just that human interaction.
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And it really is more of kind of like a healing,
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kind of relaxing, you know, human contact.
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- The more that we live behind our screens,
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the more we forget to actually keep connected.
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I think most people, in their regular lives,
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if anything, they receive a handshake.
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But for the majority of us,
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we don't really get a lot of wanted physical affection.
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So professional cuddler is someone
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who dedicates themselves to providing affection and intimacy
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in a platonic way to those who seek it
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or who find are missing it from their everyday lives.
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So a lot of people have the misconception
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that it's just a coverup for sex work.
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So when we talked in the cafe,
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you mentioned that you wanna kinda start off things
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to test sort of those boundaries
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with me. - Yes.
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- I do find that there's value in having conversations
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around sex, sexuality and sex work
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because they're part of our life
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and there's no denying them.
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But the biggest thing that I always
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have to drive home with people is that,
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no, there is room for a platonic service.
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- The service I provide is a bit more of a
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sir dom BDSM kind of clientele relationship.
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I'm mostly in charge and a sir or dom.
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- I'm Raj.
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I escort.
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What it is is I hold space
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for people to experience pleasure.
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Initially, what was stopping me from doing it,
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I thought it was about,
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I'm like, "Oh, I'm not attractive enough."
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Much in the same way, initially,
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when I got into go-go dancing, it was very much about,
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okay, what does your body look like?
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But then, you know, I had this realization
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where whatever it is that you uniquely give out there
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that's you, if people respond to it,
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then that's what they're looking for.
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- And that's why this kind of platform is there,
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because there's a plethora to choose from.
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Also, I just constantly remind myself
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that I'm always somebody's cup of tea.
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I'm constantly having repeat clients, which is great.
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Anyone can fuck and be a bottom,
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but if you can actually provide a mind fuck
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at the same time, then you got something else.
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- The nice thing about this work
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is people are looking at my picture
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and booking me because of me.
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They know what they're getting basically
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when they're booking with me anyway.
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My only fear was what if I just don't like doing it.
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But that didn't happen.
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I actually really enjoyed it.
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One of my favorite parts during the massages,
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I'll get on their back and just lie on top of them.
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And it's amazing having people just feel that weight,
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kind of just that being held, having a tight bear hug.
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And I love seeing that.
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That's when they get really comfortable
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and just kind of, you know, you've had a nice moment,
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and you know, you can go on.
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- You're able to see the journey
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from when they are in their heads and being like,
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"Oh, my god, what's going on,"
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and then at the end of the session,
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them being completely in their bodies.
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And I'm like that's why I do it.
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- [Andrew] I moved.
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I've been here two and a half years now, three years.
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- Two and a half years, so 2016.
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- 2016, June, I moved.
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One of my favorite qualities of Raj
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is that he will actively listen to you and pay attention,
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and he'll also share some of his own personal experiences
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of like how his day is going.
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- Hug my pillow, yeah, exactly. (laughs)
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- [Andrew] It's so cheesy but it's adorable--
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- I know.
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- Because it's not...
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And I think that builds connection.
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So when we're having sex, it's like you're having sex
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with a real person, and that's nice.
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- And a lot of the clients that I have are the ones
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that it's their first time experiencing something like this.
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And when they first show up, they've never been,
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you know, with another man before
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or haven't experienced anything like this.
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And I've had, actually, a client,
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he had trouble kind of actually even being naked.
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He said, "Thank you for helping me,
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"bringing me from me head into my heart,
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"because I was so scared of intimacy
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"but you helped me do that and realize
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"that my body is deserving of pleasure however it looks."
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- What Raj and I do together in a session is we chat.
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He comes in and we say hello, and we say, "How's your day?"
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It takes away any weird power imbalances of like
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he's a sex worker providing a service and I'm the lonely,
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sad client that needs to get off with a sex worker.
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It takes all that away
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and it turns it into we're just two dudes.
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So we'll have that comfortable chat,
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then we'll move into like some making out
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and some touching and some body stuff.
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It's so variant in what it can be.
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We don't decide we're gonna do this,
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and here's a checklist of things I expect from you.
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- The physical part of things might start a lot later.
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It might start right at the beginning.
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It depends on whatever energy you're bringing,
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what each person is bringing in.
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It's not for what we do, but it's the time spent,
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that is what they're paying for.
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Whatever sort of happens between us
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is whatever happens between us.
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So I know a lot of people might have an a la carte menu,
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like this is for this much.
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And for me, personally, I'm not a vending machine.
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And keeping that sense of just going with the flow,
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they get surprised because they end up feeling things
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that they never thought they would ever feel.
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The minute I go into, "Oh, they look like this.
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"Oh, my god, how am I gonna get turned on,"
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once again, then I'm missing the point.
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So when it comes to honoring somebody's body,
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I can't be in my head.
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I have to be, and tap into that unique part of me
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that connects with them so they are able to feel good
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in however shape, in whatever place, in however they are.
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There you go.
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- My stage name is Rogue Status, and I identify with that
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as a deviation of a standard variety.
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There's a lot of negative definitions of the word rogue,
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but one of them specifically is a deviation of a norm.
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And I'm definitely not run of the mill and never have been.
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So,
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I left home quite early
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and kind of had survival mode from a really early age.
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I guess it kind of was a bit of a catalyst
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for me to get into sex work because when you need money,
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you do things that you're not, you know,
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that you wouldn't normally think you would do.
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I used Rentman, I used to use Rentboy
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before the whole thing went down.
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To protect myself and clientele.
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I have a disclaimer that my payment is strictly for my time
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because whatever happens in that time
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is between consenting adults.
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Anyone can hire somebody for time.
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It usually starts with a quick phone conversation,
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usually over text or a quick phone call
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if it's very specific requirements
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that they're interested in.
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I like to narrow it down to what the timeframe is
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and what they wanna do.
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I usually arrive, take care of business,
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which means finances first
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because it takes that awkward element out of the way,
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which is always awkward.
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Quick freshen up, and that's usually
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doing my shot of Trimix to make sure
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that my boy's good to go even if I'm not using it.
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Trimix, it's a triple-mix injection
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that you put into the shaft of your penis to hyper dilate
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the cavernosa and keep you hard for quite some time.
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Sometimes I fake my orgasm, most times,
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unless they really wanna see it.
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But most of the time, it's not about me getting off.
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I cringe at the thought of touching any stranger.
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I also cringe at the thought of being touched most times.
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I try to find something sexy
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about each person that I'm with and focus on that.
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People think that you can just go and get hard
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and do your thing and get paid and go,
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but it's a lot more than that.
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And the majority of the time, I don't even get hard.
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And I use Trimix because when you're filming in a movie,
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you know, you don't have to be hard for two hours.
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You have to be hard for many hours.
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- Not bad, not bad.
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But one more time, and slow.
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- [Rogue Status] What you guys all see in that 21 minutes
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was actually eight hours.
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I've been filming with Mainline Studios for about,
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I don't know, 10 years plus now.
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- Up against the fucking wall.
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- Yes, sir.
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- You know, a decade ago, when I started filming,
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your pay scale was quite a big difference to what it is now.
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Porn is basically your promotion
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for your brand at this point.
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I travel all the time for work.
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I live very rural,
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but I also have full-time construction work
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because it's equally as good money.
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I think it's really beneficial to have
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an element of both worlds.
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Otherwise, you're gonna get lost in your character too much.
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That is one of the reasons why I go back
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to my spot in the bush because I can get grounded
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and reconnected to who I am after going rogue.
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Rogue Status was actually a performer at big events
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and parties before branching off into a porn career.
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By the time I had already got there,
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I had already built this brand and alter ego.
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So Rogue Status is everything else
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that I haven't been able to be myself.
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- I've been called Kitten Bear for a while.
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It was my online name for a while,
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or for Scruff for a while.
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I never identified with the puppy side of things.
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I'm too independent.
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I'll come and play with you
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and then I'm gonna go do my own thing.
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And so Kitten kind of just worked for me.
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But Kitten didn't really describe it
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because I was bigger than that.
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And so Kitten Bear kind of came from cuddly like a kitten,
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big like a bear.
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And when I met Nigel, he was the one
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that really grasped on that and jumped on that.
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He's like, "Oh, that's your Scruff name?
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"Why shouldn't this be your Instagram name?
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"This is what I'm gonna call you from now on."
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I grew up in Alberta, in a very small Mormon community.
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And as you grow up and leave, you know,
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I'd say it took four or five years to get fully comfortable.
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I'd say now, I'm fairly well adjusted to, you know,
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a new life and just my life.
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I have an Instagram.
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It's something that me and Nigel started more as kind of
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a fun like, oh, let's see how many followers we can get.
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One of the business opportunities that took off
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kind of from Instagram, Twitter, things like that
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was a site called OnlyFans where people basically pay
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whatever monthly fee that you're charging
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for access to all of the content that you post.
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And so, you know, for us, we post, you know, naked pictures.
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We have friends over to have sex with.
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It's a porn shop for us.
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For other people, it's fitness.
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You can do anything you want.
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It actually became fairly lucrative, for Nigel especially,
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when we actually started throwing parties together.
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It really kind of took off where, oh, this is something
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that can really help in so many ways,
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just having that much influence
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as far as number of people seeing what you're offering.
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And so, I mean, there's OnlyFans, which is that.
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We have the parties that are going on,
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and it's only increasing there.
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I'm doing massage right now as well.
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No, for sure.
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What I offer is an hour of sensual massage.
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So what that means is that
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we can both be naked if you'd like.
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It's a lot of touching on my side to you,
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lots of body contact, lots of that,
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and then mutual touching as well.
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Some people, they'll wear a jockstrap.
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They won't even be naked for the massage.
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Other people will go all the way,
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and you know, they'll have sex at the end of the session.
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It's my control.
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It's whatever I feel comfortable with, and obviously,
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what the client feels comfortable with as well.
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One client came and I was like,
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"Oh, do you get massages often?"
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He was like, "Yeah, I go probably every week."
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And he's like, "I just like to be touched.
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"I just like to have that human interaction."
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The boner parties are really interesting and fun.
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That's probably one of the things I'm most excited to go.
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It's my favorite time of the month.
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How the party started was we both come from big families,
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both me and Nigel.
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And so we were used to having people over all the time.
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And so we'd throw house parties, and then we'd invite
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our closest friends, and there'll be like 40 or 50.
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And eventually, it was a hundred people
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that were coming to our house for these parties.
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It's a dance party where there's no rules.
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And so there's a candy table.
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You can go and, you know, eat everything you want,
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which is one of my favorite things.
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Food is the fastest way to my heart.
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So if you add food anywhere, I'm automatically sold.
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I like dancing.
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I like food.
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I like sex.
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I mean, all three, all combined,
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and I don't have to clean up the mess, I'm in. (chuckles)
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Really, the core of the people that go is the hundred people
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that come to our parties, and they invite their friends.
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So it's a really close-knit group of people
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that all get along.
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One of the themes for boner
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is come in whatever makes you feel comfortable.
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And so you don't have to go naked.
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You don't have wear lipstick.
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If you wanna wear a dress, you can.
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If you wanna wear a wig, you can.
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If you wanna go naked, you can.
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Do whatever makes you happy.
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And that's kind of how we view our relationship as well.
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Do what makes you happy,
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and the people that complement your life,
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the people that will fit, they're gonna fit in there.
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(upbeat music)
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- There is a lot of stigma around asking someone
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to give you cuddles for a fee.
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Do you prefer this or this?
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- I think I like it the other way, like this way,
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with the, so that I feel like I'm being hugged.
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- Yeah, exactly.
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That's great.
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The big thing that we're trying to address here
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with professional cuddling is that we want
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all cuddling and any form of physical connection
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to be asked for and received in a respectful manner.
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Can I trace your eyebrows and like your face?
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- Mm-hmm.
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- Yeah.
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'Cause I always like people tracing on my face.
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I think that this practice as a whole
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can be a great conversation starter
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to get people really thinking about, you know,
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what their own preferences are,
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and also being able to stand by their own boundaries
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but also respect other people's boundaries.
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Michelle, can I give you a hug?
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- [Michelle] No, thank you.
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- Perfect.
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You wanna give it a try?
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- Oscar, can I
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touch your ear?
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- One of the things that we do
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is called the no, thank you exercise.
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The point of the exercise is to make three to five
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simple requests, but then the goal of the other partner
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is to say, "No, thank you."
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- Can I pat your thigh?
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- No, thank you.
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And the point of this exercise is to reinforce that a no
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doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing.
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We don't have to accommodate for the other person.
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It's about what you feel and what you want to get out of it.
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- Mm-hmm.
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- Okay.
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So the next one is called the ask and wait.
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So now, when I wanna ask, I wanna make a request,
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you have three choices.
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You can either say, "Yes, I would like that,"
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"No, thank you," or you can suggest something else.
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So you can say, "No, thank you,
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"but I would like to receive x."
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So the ask and wait method is more so
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to create that understanding
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that you don't have to make the choice out of guilt.
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Only do things that you want to do.
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- Cool, um.
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(Oscar laughs)
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- All right, so how is this feeling right now?
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- Good.
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I think that I'm full.
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- Yes.
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- I remember there was one of the positions in the book
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with just like the leg and the arm
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sort of like hooked. - Okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Do you wanna try that one?
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- Yeah.
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- Okay.
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I like to start off the session with giving them, you know,
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three simple poses, a good hug, you know,
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even just interlocking hands, and then the eye gaze
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to kinda get them started with that level of intimacy.
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And then we go from there.
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- Like if my leg gets pins and needles or something,
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I'll be like, "Let's move on from this."
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- Let's switch it up. (chuckles)
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- And switch it up.
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So that's like a nice comfort.
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- So with cuddling, we're open to taking any clients
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regardless of like sex, race, identity, gender,
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anything like that.
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But I am predominantly looking to help out
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professional women, the reason being because right now,
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as it stands in the cuddling industry,
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there are more female cuddlers
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and there are more male clients.
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Touch-based services have always
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catered more to male clientele.
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Where I see myself in the grand scope of things
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as a gay man, it's a good opportunity for me
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to sort of give female clients that male attention
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with that extra layer of that I'm for sure
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not gonna try to give any sexual advances with them.
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- Yeah, and I feel like if I did something like this,
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I don't know, every few weeks or even once a month,
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whatever the case may be, that I might feel more comfortable
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with my own physical body.
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I feel like I feel a little bit
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out of touch with that sometimes,
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and doing something like this, I already feel
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like I'm feeling each part of my body
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in a way that's nice and strong and secure,
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and I don't feel stressed or uncomfortable
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that you're expecting something else than what it is.
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So yeah, it's nice.
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- And if you are someone who, you know, is already working,
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you know, eight to 10 hours or more at your job
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and all you want to do is just feel held,
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you know, going through the courtship of either going out
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to a bar or even logging on to social media apps,
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all of that takes effort and it takes emotional effort too.
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- There's a lot of, you know, successful people
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that don't have time to go, you know, on social sites
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to spend an hour, hour and a half, half an hour
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finding someone that likely isn't gonna be good.
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It's easier to be like, "Oh, I know I'm gonna have
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"a good time with so and so.
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"I'm gonna call you so it's just easy.
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"It's looked after."
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- I was looking for relationships on the apps.
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I was looking for sex on the apps.
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I was doing all the things that we all do,
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and I wasn't getting anywhere.
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I was brushing up against ableism constantly,
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dealing with discrimination
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against my disability all the time.
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- [Raj] That was your bum.
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- [Andrew] My bum.
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- Your bum. (chuckles)
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- Make sure that I don't fly across the room.
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Being just discouraged that one day I decided
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that, okay, let me go on these sites and see what I can do.
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And it's not anybody giving it to me out of charity.
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It's me actively deciding this is what I want.
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The marginalized community of individuals with disabilities,
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their access to their bodies
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and their access to their own sexuality is so limited
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by financial things,
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by stigma around disability and sexuality.
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So especially in queer male spaces, we can't go to the gym,
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can't access certain social things we do,
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can't access all the clubs we go to,
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can't access the community the way we do,
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are assumed to be asexual or non-sexual by our community,
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so we don't tend to have a lot of success in going on dates.
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Putting aside that money, there's a power play,
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a really positive power play of me deciding
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that this is money that I want to use for this.
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I love pre-booking because it means that I can buy
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two or three sessions and know that,
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okay, for the next month, my sex is figured out.
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I have it figured out.
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It's a very selfish, a positively selfish act.
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- I know how good that feels when you have
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that part of you expressed and that part of you nurtured.
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It's been a journey as with my acceptance of my own body.
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Being South Asian, there's like that sense
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of being less than because you're usually seeing bodies
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that are white having sex when you're watching porn
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or in movies or in things like that.
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It creates these things.
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Or if your body has to look a particular way,
512
00:23:20,033 --> 00:23:21,466
it's more deserving of pleasure
513
00:23:21,466 --> 00:23:23,133
than if your body looks this way.
514
00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:28,133
You deserve love, pleasure, intimacy no matter how you look.
515
00:23:34,533 --> 00:23:36,866
So the benefit of a repeat client
516
00:23:36,866 --> 00:23:39,233
is you really get to know somebody,
517
00:23:39,233 --> 00:23:43,666
how their body receives pleasure.
518
00:23:43,666 --> 00:23:47,966
And you feel the healing kind of happen within the person.
519
00:23:50,466 --> 00:23:51,866
It's an awesome part.
520
00:23:51,866 --> 00:23:53,400
That's like the main, obviously, the central reason
521
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,366
why I do it, because I thin we take on these conditions
522
00:23:57,366 --> 00:24:00,500
that we see in media and in porn and whatever,
523
00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:04,000
and they'll be like," Oh, this is supposed to happen,"
524
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,266
or, "This is supposed to happen."
525
00:24:05,266 --> 00:24:08,700
And I think with porn and stuff like that,
526
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:13,233
I think there's a lot of power given to sex means this.
527
00:24:14,233 --> 00:24:15,866
It's penetrative.
528
00:24:15,866 --> 00:24:17,233
But there are so many other ways
529
00:24:17,233 --> 00:24:20,466
your body can experience sex.
530
00:24:20,466 --> 00:24:24,033
And the thing is I think through my work,
531
00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:29,033
I wanna be able to help people understand their bodies.
532
00:24:30,233 --> 00:24:31,666
And I think that's what's so amazing,
533
00:24:31,666 --> 00:24:34,666
because I think it teaches people that
534
00:24:36,533 --> 00:24:38,833
there's so much possibilities when it comes to their body.
535
00:24:38,833 --> 00:24:40,300
There are so many things that you can feel
536
00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:41,533
that you don't even know.
537
00:24:45,466 --> 00:24:46,700
- Now I'm warm.
538
00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:47,766
- [Raj] There you go.
539
00:24:50,466 --> 00:24:51,500
- Depending on the scene with the client,
540
00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:52,766
I can feel really good about it
541
00:24:52,766 --> 00:24:54,433
or I can feel really bad about it.
542
00:24:54,433 --> 00:24:56,800
Clients don't know their limits and want me to push them
543
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,700
further than they're capable of to the point of
544
00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,000
broken skin, or blood,
545
00:25:05,166 --> 00:25:06,700
or very extreme heavy play.
546
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:09,200
Even for me, that's pretty extreme.
547
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,566
It takes me a minute to regroup after, sometimes a day.
548
00:25:12,566 --> 00:25:14,066
I don't want anyone to get hurt.
549
00:25:14,066 --> 00:25:15,900
I don't want anyone to get sick.
550
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:18,200
So scat play is out.
551
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,033
Anything with blood and serious pain is out.
552
00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:25,033
When it comes to BDSM, there is an element
553
00:25:25,033 --> 00:25:26,933
of pain and pleasure involved with it,
554
00:25:26,933 --> 00:25:31,533
but I'm not about inflicting heavy bodily harm on people.
555
00:25:31,533 --> 00:25:33,500
When I go to work, it's completely different
556
00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:37,033
than what my sex life at home is going to be.
557
00:25:37,033 --> 00:25:39,033
I don't really wanna have that crossover,
558
00:25:39,033 --> 00:25:40,533
like I don't wanna bring work home.
559
00:25:40,533 --> 00:25:44,466
I do have elements of BDSM play that I like
560
00:25:44,466 --> 00:25:48,700
in my personal sex life, but that's more about bonding
561
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,766
and creating connection and trust and safety.
562
00:25:51,766 --> 00:25:55,300
One of the best ways to feel safe and comfortable
563
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,100
with somebody is to be tied up by them
564
00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:00,366
because you have to really let yourself go somewhere else.
565
00:26:00,366 --> 00:26:04,200
And it's gonna be cathartic, and you might cry.
566
00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:11,366
Sex work affects almost every relationship I have.
567
00:26:11,366 --> 00:26:14,066
Everybody has a negative stigma based around it
568
00:26:14,066 --> 00:26:15,866
as far as I can see.
569
00:26:15,866 --> 00:26:18,733
Dating somebody that's not in the trade
570
00:26:18,733 --> 00:26:21,733
or hasn't done the trade, you know,
571
00:26:21,733 --> 00:26:24,966
again, trying to convince them of work being separate
572
00:26:24,966 --> 00:26:27,866
from personal life is next to impossible.
573
00:26:29,033 --> 00:26:31,366
- I think sex and kind of our views on sex
574
00:26:31,366 --> 00:26:33,866
is changing drastically.
575
00:26:33,866 --> 00:26:36,533
I definitely think religion had a long hold
576
00:26:36,533 --> 00:26:38,000
that people don't realize is there,
577
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,400
but religion set up what sex should be.
578
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,933
It should be man and wife, depending on your religion,
579
00:26:43,933 --> 00:26:46,100
when you're trying to have kids.
580
00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,633
Even with OnlyFans and things like that,
581
00:26:48,633 --> 00:26:51,800
I think that that helps the sex image because before,
582
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,566
you had studios and kind of what was,
583
00:26:53,566 --> 00:26:55,900
oh, this is what it looks like.
584
00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:57,166
Whereas with OnlyFans,
585
00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:59,433
it really is us and our friends just having sex.
586
00:26:59,433 --> 00:27:01,200
We set up a tripod on the counter
587
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,266
and then just enjoy ourselves.
588
00:27:03,266 --> 00:27:05,133
And so it kind of takes away of like,
589
00:27:05,133 --> 00:27:06,733
oh, people talk during sex.
590
00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:07,666
Oh, you know what?
591
00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:09,166
There's gonna be a mistake.
592
00:27:09,166 --> 00:27:10,633
Sometimes it's gonna be like, oh, it didn't work.
593
00:27:10,633 --> 00:27:12,133
Or this doesn't work, or you'll try to say something.
594
00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:15,500
And today, we're gonna make for you guys a beef stir fry.
595
00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:16,633
- Let's get naked.
596
00:27:16,633 --> 00:27:17,466
- Perfect.
597
00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:21,200
But it's nice because you see a different side
598
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,333
that's light and funny.
599
00:27:24,866 --> 00:27:26,233
All right, let's get started.
600
00:27:26,233 --> 00:27:27,433
It's fun.
601
00:27:27,433 --> 00:27:28,633
It's all of our friends and lovers.
602
00:27:28,633 --> 00:27:29,566
It's not these strangers that you don't know
603
00:27:29,566 --> 00:27:31,033
and have no connection with.
604
00:27:31,033 --> 00:27:32,833
Invite the people that you're most close with,
605
00:27:32,833 --> 00:27:34,433
that you want to spend the most time with,
606
00:27:34,433 --> 00:27:36,800
and invite them into the bedroom.
607
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,166
You will have a better time
608
00:27:38,166 --> 00:27:39,566
than someone that you don't know.
609
00:27:39,566 --> 00:27:41,933
And the best part about relationships is that
610
00:27:41,933 --> 00:27:43,333
it can be anything you want it to be.
611
00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:45,533
And I think that's where religion has had
612
00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:47,900
such a negative impact, is it's this is what it must be.
613
00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:51,033
And so soon as you deviate from that, it's different.
614
00:27:56,133 --> 00:27:57,700
- I had a previous relationship
615
00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,633
where the sex and intimacy were kind of as one.
616
00:28:01,633 --> 00:28:03,100
So I remember coming out of that relationship
617
00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:07,733
and it was very like, I felt like super fucked up about sex.
618
00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:10,166
It was this thing where I realized the only times
619
00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:14,233
that I was sober was when I was like with clients.
620
00:28:14,233 --> 00:28:16,066
Like I was just like, okay, so I can do this work,
621
00:28:16,066 --> 00:28:20,533
but I'm like, I have some healing to do within myself.
622
00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:23,333
To be able to help people condition that part
623
00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:25,666
is something that I feel like is a very,
624
00:28:25,666 --> 00:28:27,633
I think is very important, especially when it comes
625
00:28:27,633 --> 00:28:32,000
to gay men and our bodies and what that means.
626
00:28:34,966 --> 00:28:36,666
- When a client goes on to my website,
627
00:28:36,666 --> 00:28:38,100
in order to book a session,
628
00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,133
they'll see the cuddling commandments.
629
00:28:40,133 --> 00:28:43,900
So these are the 10 basic ground rules that we have
630
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:45,433
with regards to the cuddling session,
631
00:28:45,433 --> 00:28:48,566
which means that you have to be at least 18 years of age.
632
00:28:48,566 --> 00:28:50,466
You have to be free of mind-altering substances.
633
00:28:50,466 --> 00:28:53,133
You can't come drunk or high or anything like that.
634
00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:56,700
It's basically talking about how it's not a sexual service.
635
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,233
And so once they agreed to all that and they book a time,
636
00:28:59,233 --> 00:29:00,966
then it's up to the client to decide
637
00:29:00,966 --> 00:29:03,233
whether they want to come to the cuddler's space
638
00:29:03,233 --> 00:29:06,133
or host the cuddler at their own space.
639
00:29:09,466 --> 00:29:11,000
And so if they're coming to my space,
640
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,233
what I'd like to do is I like to get some nice music going.
641
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,833
I have some sweetwood, and I have some sage
642
00:29:18,833 --> 00:29:20,733
and incense that I like to light.
643
00:29:22,633 --> 00:29:25,766
And then I prepare wherever we're gonna be cuddling.
644
00:29:25,766 --> 00:29:27,833
So it could be on a couch.
645
00:29:27,833 --> 00:29:29,133
It could be on the ground.
646
00:29:29,133 --> 00:29:30,400
It can be on a bed.
647
00:29:33,433 --> 00:29:35,466
I always like to encourage the clients
648
00:29:35,466 --> 00:29:38,166
to come with their own ideas of cuddling positions
649
00:29:38,166 --> 00:29:41,566
that they like to try, or to even think about
650
00:29:41,566 --> 00:29:45,433
examples of touch in their lives that they have enjoyed.
651
00:29:45,433 --> 00:29:49,766
- Yeah, generally, scalp touch is very therapeutic.
652
00:29:49,766 --> 00:29:50,700
- Yeah?
653
00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:51,533
- Mm-hmm.
654
00:29:51,533 --> 00:29:52,466
- Cool.
655
00:29:52,466 --> 00:29:53,300
So how about we start with that?
656
00:29:59,433 --> 00:30:02,566
I started my performing career back in high school,
657
00:30:02,566 --> 00:30:05,400
doing musical theater, which introduced me
658
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,466
to the world of dance and singing and just acting
659
00:30:08,466 --> 00:30:10,966
and general body awareness.
660
00:30:10,966 --> 00:30:13,933
I've noticed that a big component of the acting
661
00:30:13,933 --> 00:30:16,100
and singing and even dancing,
662
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,766
there's a big understanding of breath work
663
00:30:18,766 --> 00:30:21,800
and the benefits that that can bring along to our craft.
664
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,433
So that's something that I like to bring to our sessions.
665
00:30:24,433 --> 00:30:26,833
Say we're in the middle of an embrace,
666
00:30:26,833 --> 00:30:29,533
like breathing together can be very helpful
667
00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:31,333
and stress relieving.
668
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,300
Very good, very good breath.
669
00:30:41,733 --> 00:30:45,433
Touch has an immensive power to heal.
670
00:30:45,433 --> 00:30:49,600
Because we're being taught to be so tough
671
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,333
and show a tough face, a poker face and not let the world
672
00:30:52,333 --> 00:30:56,300
see our problems, I think that by reintroducing touch
673
00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,666
in a healthy platonic way is a great way for us
674
00:30:59,666 --> 00:31:04,433
to remind ourselves that it's okay to feel vulnerable,
675
00:31:04,433 --> 00:31:06,500
because it's so easy to think that we're alone
676
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,166
in all these things that we're feeling.
677
00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:09,366
It's so easy.
678
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,700
If you ever feel alone, something that you could always do
679
00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,333
is you can take your hand and place it over your heart.
680
00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,166
And if you just slowly breathe,
681
00:31:34,166 --> 00:31:38,166
it's a great way for you to reconnect with yourself
682
00:31:38,166 --> 00:31:40,466
and remind yourself that you're here
683
00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:41,733
and that you're not alone.
684
00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:44,466
There are studies that actually show
685
00:31:44,466 --> 00:31:49,433
that you placing your hand over your heart and breathing
686
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:54,166
will help you reconnect, and it's almost as good as a hug.
687
00:31:54,166 --> 00:31:56,866
By you acknowledging and connecting with yourself,
688
00:31:56,866 --> 00:31:59,166
it will allow you to have deeper connections
689
00:31:59,166 --> 00:32:00,333
with other people too.
690
00:32:01,633 --> 00:32:02,833
(man speaks in foreign language)
691
00:32:02,833 --> 00:32:05,600
(group chuckles)
692
00:32:07,033 --> 00:32:09,933
- I always say in order to give of myself,
693
00:32:09,933 --> 00:32:12,733
I need to know how to give to myself.
694
00:32:12,733 --> 00:32:15,000
I give to myself through making sure
695
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,200
having like a spiritual sort of practice through meditation,
696
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,433
through writing, through my chosen family,
697
00:32:21,433 --> 00:32:26,433
and through also having, you know,
698
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,500
intimate experiences for my own personal self.
699
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:35,966
Then before a session, it's so much easier for me
700
00:32:35,966 --> 00:32:38,433
to go from here to here, 'cause then I'm very much like,
701
00:32:38,433 --> 00:32:39,800
okay, it's all here.
702
00:32:40,966 --> 00:32:43,433
- I call on Raj because I know he's reliable.
703
00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:47,433
I've worked with workers who don't show up.
704
00:32:47,433 --> 00:32:50,566
That's important for me as somebody who already lives
705
00:32:50,566 --> 00:32:53,000
on the margins of trying to find (mumbles)
706
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,266
and trying to find connection.
707
00:32:54,266 --> 00:32:56,933
- So when it comes to it being kind of
708
00:32:56,933 --> 00:32:59,866
about sexual surrogacy and my work,
709
00:33:01,266 --> 00:33:05,066
I had a client actually describe it as that, I remember.
710
00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:07,866
And he said, "I've never heard an escort
711
00:33:07,866 --> 00:33:11,233
"speak about their work in that way before.
712
00:33:11,233 --> 00:33:15,800
"And it sounds like you're a surrogate or a conduit."
713
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,066
I mean, whatever I do,
714
00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:20,266
it's healing work.
715
00:33:20,266 --> 00:33:21,700
It is what it is.
716
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:25,600
When I got into my work, I think it deepened my connections
717
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,700
to the people who matter in my life
718
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,566
because I have a certain understanding and truth
719
00:33:31,566 --> 00:33:35,666
in how I do my work and why it's fulfilling for me.
720
00:33:35,666 --> 00:33:37,966
And if people can see that in me,
721
00:33:37,966 --> 00:33:39,266
that means they can see me.
722
00:33:39,266 --> 00:33:41,633
All of my friends know what I do
723
00:33:41,633 --> 00:33:44,133
and understand why it's important to me.
724
00:33:44,133 --> 00:33:47,833
And when you have that, you're able to tap into
725
00:33:47,833 --> 00:33:51,866
your own intuition, which that helps you in avoiding
726
00:33:51,866 --> 00:33:54,733
any potentially dangerous situations.
727
00:33:54,733 --> 00:33:56,966
I've never had a bad experience.
728
00:33:56,966 --> 00:34:00,133
I've had one where it could have been,
729
00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:03,000
but then I kind of like listened to my inner voice
730
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,566
and got out before the person even showed up,
731
00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:08,333
and I ended up being right on my (mumbles).
732
00:34:08,333 --> 00:34:11,433
It was a good idea that I did not stay.
733
00:34:11,433 --> 00:34:14,100
- You know, there's a scary dark side to the business.
734
00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:15,866
Thankfully, I've never been in a situation
735
00:34:15,866 --> 00:34:17,433
that's gotten out of hand.
736
00:34:17,433 --> 00:34:22,433
I had one violent situation in Florida,
737
00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:25,666
and that set my precedent for what was never, ever,
738
00:34:25,666 --> 00:34:27,033
ever gonna happen again.
739
00:34:27,033 --> 00:34:30,133
I was flown down and had my ticket
740
00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:33,500
relying on somebody else's, you know,
741
00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,533
because they booked it kind of thing.
742
00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:37,066
Yeah, like now, I always make sure that, you know,
743
00:34:37,066 --> 00:34:39,366
if somebody wants me to travel to go see them,
744
00:34:41,533 --> 00:34:43,800
that they transfer a deposit which is enough
745
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,933
for me to manage my own booking.
746
00:34:45,933 --> 00:34:49,566
I get every request you could possibly imagine.
747
00:34:49,566 --> 00:34:54,066
Somebody requests to have me as a sub or bottom
748
00:34:54,066 --> 00:34:56,933
in a bondage or BDSM scene, it's a firm no.
749
00:34:56,933 --> 00:34:58,833
We already know that that's putting yourself
750
00:34:58,833 --> 00:35:02,700
into serious danger, so that's not gonna happen.
751
00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,433
I would never do that with somebody
752
00:35:04,433 --> 00:35:08,066
until I have established a rapport with this client.
753
00:35:08,066 --> 00:35:09,933
In terms of being a sex worker
754
00:35:11,366 --> 00:35:16,366
and not having an agency per se as female sex workers might,
755
00:35:17,366 --> 00:35:19,200
when it comes to male sex work,
756
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,266
you're basically on your own.
757
00:35:20,266 --> 00:35:21,766
Whenever I'm going to work,
758
00:35:21,766 --> 00:35:23,333
I always let somebody know where I'm going.
759
00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:24,733
I have my location shared.
760
00:35:24,733 --> 00:35:26,600
Depending on how long the session is,
761
00:35:27,766 --> 00:35:30,233
I get something called knocking to happen,
762
00:35:30,233 --> 00:35:32,666
which is, you know, a friend will call and check in
763
00:35:32,666 --> 00:35:33,833
and make sure I'm okay.
764
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,333
- I like the fact that it's not me living here alone.
765
00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:40,666
So if there was a problem, for the most part, Nigel's home.
766
00:35:40,666 --> 00:35:41,866
If things get really bad,
767
00:35:41,866 --> 00:35:44,133
I could yell and hopefully have that.
768
00:35:44,133 --> 00:35:46,566
A few precautions I take before I head into this,
769
00:35:46,566 --> 00:35:49,133
with meeting people, I generally don't do
770
00:35:49,133 --> 00:35:50,633
the same day (mumbles) because I find people,
771
00:35:50,633 --> 00:35:51,766
they're like, "Oh, I want a massage.
772
00:35:51,766 --> 00:35:53,500
"Can you be free in 20 minutes,"
773
00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:55,066
probably not the best kind of clients.
774
00:35:55,066 --> 00:35:57,666
Whereas if you can have a little conversation beforehand.
775
00:35:57,666 --> 00:36:00,133
If they're polite and nice, you know what,
776
00:36:00,133 --> 00:36:02,500
I'm gonna take people that I feel comfortable with
777
00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:04,066
because if I'm not enjoying it,
778
00:36:04,066 --> 00:36:06,600
that client is likely not gonna enjoy it either.
779
00:36:09,666 --> 00:36:13,166
What I like about the massage part is that I'm in control.
780
00:36:13,166 --> 00:36:15,966
With escort, it kind of is assumed of what you're doing.
781
00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:19,733
This is the first time I haven't had a job
782
00:36:19,733 --> 00:36:21,733
with money coming in regularly.
783
00:36:21,733 --> 00:36:24,500
With losing my job, it was definitely
784
00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:27,300
one of the more traumatic things I've had in my life,
785
00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,133
which sounds stupid, losing a job,
786
00:36:29,133 --> 00:36:31,600
but just the manner it was done.
787
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,100
I've always been a good employee.
788
00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:35,333
I've never been fired from a job in my entire life.
789
00:36:35,333 --> 00:36:37,366
They pulled me, and the HR person came,
790
00:36:37,366 --> 00:36:38,566
pulled me into a meeting.
791
00:36:38,566 --> 00:36:39,900
They handed me a letter.
792
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:41,000
I read it.
793
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,333
With all your Instagram, due to this,
794
00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:44,200
you're being terminated with cause,
795
00:36:45,066 --> 00:36:46,533
no severance, no anything.
796
00:36:46,533 --> 00:36:51,066
So right now, I'm going through kind of a lawsuit with them,
797
00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:52,933
just feeling like it's not fair, you know,
798
00:36:52,933 --> 00:36:55,266
after seven years working there, to walk me out the door
799
00:36:55,266 --> 00:36:57,833
because you don't agree with something in my lifestyle.
800
00:36:57,833 --> 00:36:59,566
I mean, luckily, I had OnlyFans.
801
00:36:59,566 --> 00:37:02,666
I had a few things coming in that did help,
802
00:37:02,666 --> 00:37:05,166
but it's just a different mindset to all of a sudden,
803
00:37:05,166 --> 00:37:06,566
you know, go on one day and have your,
804
00:37:06,566 --> 00:37:08,600
really, entire life changed.
805
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,033
And the more I looked at different job postings
806
00:37:11,033 --> 00:37:13,066
and looked at other things out there,
807
00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:16,500
I realized that it just, none of that sounded interesting.
808
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:19,166
It was like, maybe this isn't the end of the world.
809
00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:21,366
Maybe this is a good chance to, you know,
810
00:37:21,366 --> 00:37:23,033
try something that I haven't done before.
811
00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,066
It wasn't the right circumstance or the right time
812
00:37:25,066 --> 00:37:27,633
or how it was done, but I do think
813
00:37:27,633 --> 00:37:30,066
that it'll be something that I look back on
814
00:37:30,066 --> 00:37:33,033
and it's something that benefited my life.
815
00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:35,433
- Now that I have kind of come out
816
00:37:35,433 --> 00:37:38,100
as working with sex workers as part of my platform,
817
00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:40,266
it's been a really freeing experience
818
00:37:40,266 --> 00:37:42,666
because the stigma goes away.
819
00:37:42,666 --> 00:37:45,833
I've talked about it on my podcast, Disability After Dark.
820
00:37:45,833 --> 00:37:49,233
I had Raj as a guest a few weeks ago.
821
00:37:53,066 --> 00:37:56,433
- [Announcer] Disability After Dark with Andrew Gurza,
822
00:37:57,933 --> 00:38:01,233
shining a bright light on sex and disability.
823
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,633
- [Andrew] Did you feel like,
824
00:38:09,633 --> 00:38:10,700
what did you think when I was like,
825
00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,900
"Hey, I'm a wheelchair user."
826
00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:15,866
Did you have any feelings about what that might look like,
827
00:38:15,866 --> 00:38:18,700
what gay sex with a wheelchair user might look like
828
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,200
and how disability would impact all that?
829
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,866
- [Raj] The thing is everybody's different
830
00:38:22,866 --> 00:38:26,566
with however they are, with their disabilities.
831
00:38:26,566 --> 00:38:27,866
So the thing was I was more coming at it
832
00:38:27,866 --> 00:38:30,633
from a place of, you know, curiosity.
833
00:38:30,633 --> 00:38:33,000
I had no idea what to expect.
834
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,333
I just was more curious to see
835
00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:39,533
like how it would sort of like happen.
836
00:38:39,533 --> 00:38:40,366
You know what I mean?
837
00:38:40,366 --> 00:38:41,200
- [Andrew] Awesome.
838
00:38:42,733 --> 00:38:44,300
Were you like scared?
839
00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,200
Were you like, "Oh, my god, this is wrong,
840
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,300
"What am I doing?"
841
00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:49,366
- [Raj] There was a sense of just
842
00:38:49,366 --> 00:38:50,866
I hope I do everything right.
843
00:38:50,866 --> 00:38:53,933
It was more like you're another human being
844
00:38:53,933 --> 00:38:56,233
looking to experience pleasure,
845
00:38:56,233 --> 00:39:01,233
and our connection will be to help facilitate that.
846
00:39:02,333 --> 00:39:03,800
You know what I mean?
847
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,266
- Thank you so much for being so vulnerable with me
848
00:39:05,266 --> 00:39:07,300
and sharing intimacy with me.
849
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:09,166
I really appreciate it.
850
00:39:09,166 --> 00:39:11,633
Telling my mom that I work with sex workers
851
00:39:11,633 --> 00:39:14,333
was kind of a long time coming.
852
00:39:14,333 --> 00:39:16,833
I just said, "Okay, look, I work with people,
853
00:39:16,833 --> 00:39:19,066
"I work with sex workers to get my needs met."
854
00:39:19,066 --> 00:39:21,600
She, without missing a beat, said, "Oh, okay.
855
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,400
"If this is what you're doing to make yourself happy
856
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,000
"and this is what you need to feel okay,
857
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,833
"I support it."
858
00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:29,833
- My family all knows I'm gay.
859
00:39:29,833 --> 00:39:31,933
They know I'm dating Nigel and I live with Nigel.
860
00:39:31,933 --> 00:39:34,766
I would say that's pretty much the extent.
861
00:39:34,766 --> 00:39:37,133
I remember I posted a picture of us,
862
00:39:37,133 --> 00:39:40,566
me and friends in a bar on my family Facebook,
863
00:39:40,566 --> 00:39:42,233
because I have a separate account as well.
864
00:39:42,233 --> 00:39:43,766
Yeah, my mom called and she was like,
865
00:39:43,766 --> 00:39:45,400
"Honey, I'm concerned that you're at a bar drinking,"
866
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,200
where I was like, oh, wow, I forgot
867
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,166
we were that many steps back as far as
868
00:39:50,166 --> 00:39:52,233
what you're comfortable with and what you're aware of.
869
00:39:52,233 --> 00:39:55,666
Our lifestyles are so different, but my family knows
870
00:39:55,666 --> 00:40:00,333
I would say on the lower side of most things that I'm doing.
871
00:40:00,333 --> 00:40:02,200
- My mom now knows.
872
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,833
It's the one conversation
873
00:40:03,833 --> 00:40:06,966
where I was always so scared to have.
874
00:40:06,966 --> 00:40:08,466
So I initially started talking.
875
00:40:08,466 --> 00:40:09,866
I was like stammering a little bit.
876
00:40:09,866 --> 00:40:11,100
I'm like, oh, my god.
877
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,300
And then once again, I just started to explain
878
00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:17,600
the whole thing about the importance of the work.
879
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,600
And then she says to me that she's listening to my voice
880
00:40:24,066 --> 00:40:26,400
and she says, "Well, I can tell that you're doing it
881
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,133
"from a good place, because I've heard your voice
882
00:40:28,133 --> 00:40:29,533
"when you were not in a good place,
883
00:40:29,533 --> 00:40:31,333
"and I'm hearing your voice now."
884
00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:36,333
And my mom says, you know, "You were meant to be here
885
00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,333
"to do something really great, and I can see
886
00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:44,366
"that you're meant to be here to make people happy.
887
00:40:44,366 --> 00:40:45,966
"And for that, I'm proud of you."
888
00:40:47,166 --> 00:40:51,300
And to go to your mom and just say your truth
889
00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,800
and just to hear that sense of understanding,
890
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,833
my abilities, I feel like I can tap into them that much more
891
00:40:58,833 --> 00:41:03,700
because that shame, that fear takes up space.
892
00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:06,533
- I'd like to not have secrets in my family.
893
00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:10,233
So we have a very open-minded family
894
00:41:11,966 --> 00:41:16,533
I guess is the way to put it, two gay kids, hippie parents.
895
00:41:16,533 --> 00:41:18,233
I don't like to keep secrets about it
896
00:41:18,233 --> 00:41:22,000
because at a time of survival, it was a secret.
897
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,433
Do I have an exit strategy?
898
00:41:24,433 --> 00:41:25,766
Kind of.
899
00:41:25,766 --> 00:41:26,800
Do I have a plan for it?
900
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,266
Almost.
901
00:41:28,266 --> 00:41:30,933
Do I have a shelf life that I wanna cap it up at?
902
00:41:30,933 --> 00:41:32,400
Absolutely.
903
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,166
Will all those things happen according to plan?
904
00:41:35,166 --> 00:41:36,633
Probably not.
905
00:41:36,633 --> 00:41:39,800
Rogue Showtime Status, five foot eight, 175 pounds.
906
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,266
This is my first time--
907
00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:44,066
This is a very hard business to exit because it's your body.
908
00:41:44,066 --> 00:41:46,033
You can't just leave yourself.
909
00:41:46,033 --> 00:41:49,066
You get accustomed to a certain lifestyle.
910
00:41:49,066 --> 00:41:51,100
My advice to anybody considering
911
00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:53,833
getting into sex work or porn
912
00:41:55,266 --> 00:41:56,066
is don't.
913
00:42:01,033 --> 00:42:03,800
The porn industry will shoot you and chew you up
914
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,533
and spit you out until the next best thing comes along,
915
00:42:06,533 --> 00:42:08,733
put you up to pasture before you even knew it.
916
00:42:08,733 --> 00:42:10,866
Then you fall back on your sex work.
917
00:42:10,866 --> 00:42:14,333
And when you become this 40-year-old hooker
918
00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:17,266
that's washed up, then what do you have?
919
00:42:17,266 --> 00:42:18,833
If you're really smart about it
920
00:42:20,566 --> 00:42:21,800
and you do it right,
921
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,733
then you can make your good money and get out.
922
00:42:23,733 --> 00:42:26,766
It's a bit of a trap as well
923
00:42:26,766 --> 00:42:28,433
'cause it's really hard to leave.
924
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,366
- My goal is to kinda push this forward now so that
925
00:42:33,366 --> 00:42:37,733
it can be recognized as an official holistic practice,
926
00:42:37,733 --> 00:42:40,700
because right now, there is no regulation, obviously,
927
00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,966
around it because it's relatively new.
928
00:42:42,966 --> 00:42:45,900
Of course, people are more used to going to yoga class,
929
00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:48,333
or buying essential oils, or going for massages,
930
00:42:48,333 --> 00:42:52,366
or even therapy to address their own individual needs.
931
00:42:52,366 --> 00:42:54,766
So if I can get it to that point, then that would mean
932
00:42:54,766 --> 00:42:58,866
that it would allow for, you know, licensing of my teachings
933
00:42:58,866 --> 00:43:01,433
or the practice, maybe writing books around it,
934
00:43:01,433 --> 00:43:05,100
working with businesses who maybe are having HR problems
935
00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:07,133
with what consent is and all that stuff,
936
00:43:07,133 --> 00:43:08,600
working with those people
937
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,533
so that we can progress the narratives around touch
938
00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:14,500
in a healthy way that promote consent.
939
00:43:18,033 --> 00:43:20,000
- We have our own little family in Toronto of people
940
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,100
that, you know, we're very comfortable with.
941
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,300
We all get along.
942
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:24,866
We see each other separately, together.
943
00:43:24,866 --> 00:43:26,766
The people that don't want that lifestyle,
944
00:43:26,766 --> 00:43:28,266
they know who we are,
945
00:43:28,266 --> 00:43:30,533
and they either stay away or they keep their distance.
946
00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:32,000
There's that.
947
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,400
But because we are so open with it, you really do attract
948
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,866
the people that are kind of ready and looking for that.
949
00:43:37,866 --> 00:43:39,866
And so, you know, I would say we're polyamorous
950
00:43:39,866 --> 00:43:41,733
in the sense of we're allowed to have
951
00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:43,933
multiple lovers and partners and friends.
952
00:43:43,933 --> 00:43:45,400
It's that.
953
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,533
But I would say we're even moving past that a little bit
954
00:43:47,533 --> 00:43:51,333
into more of kind of the family structure where, you know,
955
00:43:51,333 --> 00:43:53,600
people that stay around, that's who you're with.
956
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,100
You're not dating.
957
00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,066
I'm looking after me in doing that,
958
00:43:57,066 --> 00:43:58,666
but obviously, the people I care about,
959
00:43:58,666 --> 00:44:00,433
I'm gonna put their interests first.
960
00:44:00,433 --> 00:44:02,966
But really, my happiness at the end of the day,
961
00:44:02,966 --> 00:44:04,500
it's up to me to decide.
962
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:07,566
And people look at our lifestyle
963
00:44:07,566 --> 00:44:10,766
and our sex life especially, something that is
964
00:44:10,766 --> 00:44:13,566
a lot more taboo that people don't talk about,
965
00:44:13,566 --> 00:44:15,133
especially having sex with your friends,
966
00:44:15,133 --> 00:44:16,366
because that's even worse.
967
00:44:16,366 --> 00:44:17,600
It's like, oh, you can have with strangers.
968
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,000
That's kind of the acceptable norm now.
969
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,633
But people see our Instagram posting
970
00:44:22,633 --> 00:44:24,900
with all these friends in towels.
971
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:26,300
I mean, hopefully, it's coming through
972
00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:28,166
that our personalities as much as possible,
973
00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,733
that it's like these are not just,
974
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,833
oh, they're having sex (mumbles).
975
00:44:31,833 --> 00:44:33,700
No, these are real genuine people that,
976
00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:35,133
yeah, are just having fun
977
00:44:35,133 --> 00:44:38,166
and sharing their journey with everyone else.
978
00:44:40,233 --> 00:44:42,666
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