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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,633 --> 00:00:02,433 (soft music) 2 00:00:12,266 --> 00:00:14,000 - [Raj Voiceover] The central part of my work 3 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,966 is the fact that 4 00:00:15,966 --> 00:00:18,633 no matter age, 5 00:00:18,633 --> 00:00:20,733 race, size, whatever, 6 00:00:20,733 --> 00:00:22,466 it doesn't matter. 7 00:00:22,466 --> 00:00:24,000 Your body deserves pleasure. 8 00:00:25,166 --> 00:00:26,400 - [Oscar Voiceover] The reason that I like 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:29,733 providing the service is because it allows me 10 00:00:29,733 --> 00:00:33,966 to really be present with that person who's in front of me 11 00:00:33,966 --> 00:00:36,033 to make sure that I give them the most of my attention 12 00:00:36,033 --> 00:00:39,233 so that they feel like they're being heard, understood. 13 00:00:40,700 --> 00:00:42,166 - [Rogue Status Voiceover] In some way or another, 14 00:00:42,166 --> 00:00:45,833 I'm kind of this sexual teacher, rubber, and leather, 15 00:00:45,833 --> 00:00:50,800 and knot tying, and shibari, and BDSM play, and limits, 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:53,966 and what's right, what's wrong, how to navigate 17 00:00:53,966 --> 00:00:57,200 and trust and bond with your partner in that way. 18 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,933 - [Jon Voiceover] There's still that taboo of, 19 00:01:00,933 --> 00:01:03,900 oh, you hired someone for sex work. 20 00:01:03,900 --> 00:01:06,200 That must mean something about you. 21 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,400 These are people that want human compassion, 22 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,266 want touch, want a massage, 23 00:01:10,266 --> 00:01:13,666 want, you know, the same thing that everyone else does. 24 00:01:13,666 --> 00:01:16,466 - [Rogue Status] I think people lie to themselves 25 00:01:16,466 --> 00:01:18,133 about what their wants and needs 26 00:01:18,133 --> 00:01:20,433 and desires are for so long. 27 00:01:20,433 --> 00:01:21,933 It's a way for them 28 00:01:21,933 --> 00:01:23,733 that they can actually be themselves for a minute. 29 00:01:23,733 --> 00:01:25,233 - [Oscar] Touch doesn't always necessarily 30 00:01:25,233 --> 00:01:27,866 have to mean intimacy, and intimacy doesn't always 31 00:01:27,866 --> 00:01:29,866 have to mean a romantic situation. 32 00:01:29,866 --> 00:01:32,166 We can separate those things. 33 00:01:32,166 --> 00:01:34,533 - [Raj] That separation needs to happen. 34 00:01:34,533 --> 00:01:36,933 Sex means so many other things than what it is. 35 00:01:36,933 --> 00:01:38,966 It's just like another way of expressing yourself, 36 00:01:38,966 --> 00:01:42,133 another way that your body receives any kind of healing. 37 00:01:42,133 --> 00:01:44,900 - [Jon] Lots of people don't have the same benefits 38 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:47,133 of just that human interaction. 39 00:01:47,133 --> 00:01:49,566 And it really is more of kind of like a healing, 40 00:01:49,566 --> 00:01:53,533 kind of relaxing, you know, human contact. 41 00:01:53,533 --> 00:01:57,466 - The more that we live behind our screens, 42 00:01:57,466 --> 00:02:00,133 the more we forget to actually keep connected. 43 00:02:01,266 --> 00:02:03,833 I think most people, in their regular lives, 44 00:02:03,833 --> 00:02:05,533 if anything, they receive a handshake. 45 00:02:05,533 --> 00:02:07,566 But for the majority of us, 46 00:02:07,566 --> 00:02:10,633 we don't really get a lot of wanted physical affection. 47 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,266 So professional cuddler is someone 48 00:02:20,266 --> 00:02:24,933 who dedicates themselves to providing affection and intimacy 49 00:02:24,933 --> 00:02:27,833 in a platonic way to those who seek it 50 00:02:27,833 --> 00:02:31,033 or who find are missing it from their everyday lives. 51 00:02:31,033 --> 00:02:32,700 So a lot of people have the misconception 52 00:02:32,700 --> 00:02:35,733 that it's just a coverup for sex work. 53 00:02:38,233 --> 00:02:41,233 So when we talked in the cafe, 54 00:02:41,233 --> 00:02:43,466 you mentioned that you wanna kinda start off things 55 00:02:43,466 --> 00:02:45,333 to test sort of those boundaries 56 00:02:45,333 --> 00:02:46,800 with me. - Yes. 57 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,500 - I do find that there's value in having conversations 58 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:52,300 around sex, sexuality and sex work 59 00:02:52,300 --> 00:02:54,666 because they're part of our life 60 00:02:54,666 --> 00:02:56,633 and there's no denying them. 61 00:02:56,633 --> 00:02:58,033 But the biggest thing that I always 62 00:02:58,033 --> 00:02:59,366 have to drive home with people is that, 63 00:02:59,366 --> 00:03:03,066 no, there is room for a platonic service. 64 00:03:03,066 --> 00:03:06,533 - The service I provide is a bit more of a 65 00:03:08,433 --> 00:03:13,233 sir dom BDSM kind of clientele relationship. 66 00:03:13,233 --> 00:03:16,300 I'm mostly in charge and a sir or dom. 67 00:03:19,133 --> 00:03:20,366 - I'm Raj. 68 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:21,400 I escort. 69 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,566 What it is is I hold space 70 00:03:23,566 --> 00:03:26,533 for people to experience pleasure. 71 00:03:26,533 --> 00:03:28,400 Initially, what was stopping me from doing it, 72 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:29,633 I thought it was about, 73 00:03:29,633 --> 00:03:31,966 I'm like, "Oh, I'm not attractive enough." 74 00:03:31,966 --> 00:03:33,400 Much in the same way, initially, 75 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,066 when I got into go-go dancing, it was very much about, 76 00:03:35,066 --> 00:03:37,033 okay, what does your body look like? 77 00:03:37,033 --> 00:03:39,666 But then, you know, I had this realization 78 00:03:39,666 --> 00:03:44,600 where whatever it is that you uniquely give out there 79 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,366 that's you, if people respond to it, 80 00:03:47,366 --> 00:03:48,833 then that's what they're looking for. 81 00:03:48,833 --> 00:03:51,866 - And that's why this kind of platform is there, 82 00:03:51,866 --> 00:03:54,300 because there's a plethora to choose from. 83 00:03:54,300 --> 00:03:55,833 Also, I just constantly remind myself 84 00:03:55,833 --> 00:03:57,800 that I'm always somebody's cup of tea. 85 00:03:59,233 --> 00:04:02,666 I'm constantly having repeat clients, which is great. 86 00:04:02,666 --> 00:04:04,000 Anyone can fuck and be a bottom, 87 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,966 but if you can actually provide a mind fuck 88 00:04:06,966 --> 00:04:09,433 at the same time, then you got something else. 89 00:04:11,166 --> 00:04:13,300 - The nice thing about this work 90 00:04:13,300 --> 00:04:15,033 is people are looking at my picture 91 00:04:15,033 --> 00:04:16,666 and booking me because of me. 92 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,533 They know what they're getting basically 93 00:04:19,533 --> 00:04:21,066 when they're booking with me anyway. 94 00:04:21,066 --> 00:04:23,533 My only fear was what if I just don't like doing it. 95 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:25,333 But that didn't happen. 96 00:04:25,333 --> 00:04:26,533 I actually really enjoyed it. 97 00:04:27,666 --> 00:04:30,133 One of my favorite parts during the massages, 98 00:04:30,133 --> 00:04:32,500 I'll get on their back and just lie on top of them. 99 00:04:32,500 --> 00:04:35,566 And it's amazing having people just feel that weight, 100 00:04:35,566 --> 00:04:39,266 kind of just that being held, having a tight bear hug. 101 00:04:39,266 --> 00:04:40,933 And I love seeing that. 102 00:04:40,933 --> 00:04:42,566 That's when they get really comfortable 103 00:04:42,566 --> 00:04:45,366 and just kind of, you know, you've had a nice moment, 104 00:04:45,366 --> 00:04:46,933 and you know, you can go on. 105 00:04:46,933 --> 00:04:48,566 - You're able to see the journey 106 00:04:48,566 --> 00:04:51,400 from when they are in their heads and being like, 107 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,666 "Oh, my god, what's going on," 108 00:04:52,666 --> 00:04:54,633 and then at the end of the session, 109 00:04:54,633 --> 00:04:57,300 them being completely in their bodies. 110 00:04:57,300 --> 00:04:59,666 And I'm like that's why I do it. 111 00:04:59,666 --> 00:05:02,066 (soft music) 112 00:05:16,066 --> 00:05:17,533 - [Andrew] I moved. 113 00:05:17,533 --> 00:05:19,433 I've been here two and a half years now, three years. 114 00:05:19,433 --> 00:05:21,833 - Two and a half years, so 2016. 115 00:05:21,833 --> 00:05:23,766 - 2016, June, I moved. 116 00:05:23,766 --> 00:05:25,200 One of my favorite qualities of Raj 117 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,566 is that he will actively listen to you and pay attention, 118 00:05:28,566 --> 00:05:31,433 and he'll also share some of his own personal experiences 119 00:05:31,433 --> 00:05:32,633 of like how his day is going. 120 00:05:32,633 --> 00:05:34,333 - Hug my pillow, yeah, exactly. (laughs) 121 00:05:34,333 --> 00:05:36,200 - [Andrew] It's so cheesy but it's adorable-- 122 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:37,033 - I know. 123 00:05:37,033 --> 00:05:38,266 - Because it's not... 124 00:05:38,266 --> 00:05:39,766 And I think that builds connection. 125 00:05:39,766 --> 00:05:42,133 So when we're having sex, it's like you're having sex 126 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:45,433 with a real person, and that's nice. 127 00:05:45,433 --> 00:05:47,600 - And a lot of the clients that I have are the ones 128 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,566 that it's their first time experiencing something like this. 129 00:05:50,566 --> 00:05:53,533 And when they first show up, they've never been, 130 00:05:53,533 --> 00:05:55,466 you know, with another man before 131 00:05:55,466 --> 00:05:59,433 or haven't experienced anything like this. 132 00:05:59,433 --> 00:06:01,833 And I've had, actually, a client, 133 00:06:01,833 --> 00:06:05,633 he had trouble kind of actually even being naked. 134 00:06:05,633 --> 00:06:07,533 He said, "Thank you for helping me, 135 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:09,766 "bringing me from me head into my heart, 136 00:06:09,766 --> 00:06:11,400 "because I was so scared of intimacy 137 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:15,100 "but you helped me do that and realize 138 00:06:15,100 --> 00:06:18,466 "that my body is deserving of pleasure however it looks." 139 00:06:18,466 --> 00:06:21,666 - What Raj and I do together in a session is we chat. 140 00:06:21,666 --> 00:06:25,466 He comes in and we say hello, and we say, "How's your day?" 141 00:06:25,466 --> 00:06:28,433 It takes away any weird power imbalances of like 142 00:06:28,433 --> 00:06:31,866 he's a sex worker providing a service and I'm the lonely, 143 00:06:31,866 --> 00:06:34,266 sad client that needs to get off with a sex worker. 144 00:06:34,266 --> 00:06:35,833 It takes all that away 145 00:06:35,833 --> 00:06:39,100 and it turns it into we're just two dudes. 146 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:41,333 So we'll have that comfortable chat, 147 00:06:41,333 --> 00:06:43,233 then we'll move into like some making out 148 00:06:43,233 --> 00:06:46,633 and some touching and some body stuff. 149 00:06:46,633 --> 00:06:48,733 It's so variant in what it can be. 150 00:06:49,866 --> 00:06:52,400 We don't decide we're gonna do this, 151 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,400 and here's a checklist of things I expect from you. 152 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,266 - The physical part of things might start a lot later. 153 00:06:59,266 --> 00:07:00,566 It might start right at the beginning. 154 00:07:00,566 --> 00:07:03,366 It depends on whatever energy you're bringing, 155 00:07:03,366 --> 00:07:05,233 what each person is bringing in. 156 00:07:05,233 --> 00:07:08,166 It's not for what we do, but it's the time spent, 157 00:07:08,166 --> 00:07:09,700 that is what they're paying for. 158 00:07:09,700 --> 00:07:12,266 Whatever sort of happens between us 159 00:07:12,266 --> 00:07:13,833 is whatever happens between us. 160 00:07:13,833 --> 00:07:17,966 So I know a lot of people might have an a la carte menu, 161 00:07:17,966 --> 00:07:19,700 like this is for this much. 162 00:07:19,700 --> 00:07:24,700 And for me, personally, I'm not a vending machine. 163 00:07:26,166 --> 00:07:27,700 And keeping that sense of just going with the flow, 164 00:07:27,700 --> 00:07:31,666 they get surprised because they end up feeling things 165 00:07:31,666 --> 00:07:33,466 that they never thought they would ever feel. 166 00:07:33,466 --> 00:07:36,933 The minute I go into, "Oh, they look like this. 167 00:07:36,933 --> 00:07:39,466 "Oh, my god, how am I gonna get turned on," 168 00:07:39,466 --> 00:07:41,800 once again, then I'm missing the point. 169 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,433 So when it comes to honoring somebody's body, 170 00:07:44,433 --> 00:07:45,900 I can't be in my head. 171 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:50,733 I have to be, and tap into that unique part of me 172 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:56,000 that connects with them so they are able to feel good 173 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,000 in however shape, in whatever place, in however they are. 174 00:08:05,100 --> 00:08:05,933 There you go. 175 00:08:15,366 --> 00:08:18,500 - My stage name is Rogue Status, and I identify with that 176 00:08:18,500 --> 00:08:20,933 as a deviation of a standard variety. 177 00:08:23,366 --> 00:08:26,333 There's a lot of negative definitions of the word rogue, 178 00:08:26,333 --> 00:08:29,933 but one of them specifically is a deviation of a norm. 179 00:08:29,933 --> 00:08:33,033 And I'm definitely not run of the mill and never have been. 180 00:08:33,033 --> 00:08:33,866 So, 181 00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:36,666 I left home quite early 182 00:08:38,233 --> 00:08:43,233 and kind of had survival mode from a really early age. 183 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:46,166 I guess it kind of was a bit of a catalyst 184 00:08:46,166 --> 00:08:49,133 for me to get into sex work because when you need money, 185 00:08:49,133 --> 00:08:53,400 you do things that you're not, you know, 186 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,533 that you wouldn't normally think you would do. 187 00:08:58,133 --> 00:09:00,366 I used Rentman, I used to use Rentboy 188 00:09:00,366 --> 00:09:02,600 before the whole thing went down. 189 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,633 To protect myself and clientele. 190 00:09:08,033 --> 00:09:12,000 I have a disclaimer that my payment is strictly for my time 191 00:09:13,133 --> 00:09:14,633 because whatever happens in that time 192 00:09:14,633 --> 00:09:15,900 is between consenting adults. 193 00:09:15,900 --> 00:09:19,933 Anyone can hire somebody for time. 194 00:09:19,933 --> 00:09:22,133 It usually starts with a quick phone conversation, 195 00:09:22,133 --> 00:09:24,066 usually over text or a quick phone call 196 00:09:24,066 --> 00:09:27,166 if it's very specific requirements 197 00:09:27,166 --> 00:09:28,566 that they're interested in. 198 00:09:28,566 --> 00:09:31,500 I like to narrow it down to what the timeframe is 199 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:32,733 and what they wanna do. 200 00:09:32,733 --> 00:09:35,133 I usually arrive, take care of business, 201 00:09:35,133 --> 00:09:36,833 which means finances first 202 00:09:36,833 --> 00:09:39,400 because it takes that awkward element out of the way, 203 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:40,966 which is always awkward. 204 00:09:40,966 --> 00:09:42,533 Quick freshen up, and that's usually 205 00:09:42,533 --> 00:09:44,300 doing my shot of Trimix to make sure 206 00:09:44,300 --> 00:09:48,833 that my boy's good to go even if I'm not using it. 207 00:09:48,833 --> 00:09:51,166 Trimix, it's a triple-mix injection 208 00:09:51,166 --> 00:09:56,066 that you put into the shaft of your penis to hyper dilate 209 00:09:57,533 --> 00:10:00,033 the cavernosa and keep you hard for quite some time. 210 00:10:00,033 --> 00:10:02,333 Sometimes I fake my orgasm, most times, 211 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,400 unless they really wanna see it. 212 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,700 But most of the time, it's not about me getting off. 213 00:10:08,700 --> 00:10:12,333 I cringe at the thought of touching any stranger. 214 00:10:12,333 --> 00:10:16,066 I also cringe at the thought of being touched most times. 215 00:10:16,066 --> 00:10:19,133 I try to find something sexy 216 00:10:19,133 --> 00:10:22,366 about each person that I'm with and focus on that. 217 00:10:22,366 --> 00:10:26,566 People think that you can just go and get hard 218 00:10:26,566 --> 00:10:28,566 and do your thing and get paid and go, 219 00:10:28,566 --> 00:10:30,033 but it's a lot more than that. 220 00:10:30,033 --> 00:10:33,333 And the majority of the time, I don't even get hard. 221 00:10:33,333 --> 00:10:37,066 And I use Trimix because when you're filming in a movie, 222 00:10:38,533 --> 00:10:40,133 you know, you don't have to be hard for two hours. 223 00:10:40,133 --> 00:10:43,066 You have to be hard for many hours. 224 00:10:43,066 --> 00:10:44,600 - Not bad, not bad. 225 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,400 But one more time, and slow. 226 00:10:47,833 --> 00:10:49,433 - [Rogue Status] What you guys all see in that 21 minutes 227 00:10:49,433 --> 00:10:51,300 was actually eight hours. 228 00:10:51,300 --> 00:10:54,933 I've been filming with Mainline Studios for about, 229 00:10:56,033 --> 00:10:58,466 I don't know, 10 years plus now. 230 00:10:58,466 --> 00:11:00,400 - Up against the fucking wall. 231 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:01,266 - Yes, sir. 232 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,400 - You know, a decade ago, when I started filming, 233 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:11,400 your pay scale was quite a big difference to what it is now. 234 00:11:12,266 --> 00:11:14,366 Porn is basically your promotion 235 00:11:14,366 --> 00:11:16,633 for your brand at this point. 236 00:11:16,633 --> 00:11:18,466 I travel all the time for work. 237 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,266 I live very rural, 238 00:11:21,266 --> 00:11:23,133 but I also have full-time construction work 239 00:11:23,133 --> 00:11:26,866 because it's equally as good money. 240 00:11:26,866 --> 00:11:28,866 I think it's really beneficial to have 241 00:11:30,933 --> 00:11:32,433 an element of both worlds. 242 00:11:32,433 --> 00:11:36,433 Otherwise, you're gonna get lost in your character too much. 243 00:11:36,433 --> 00:11:38,133 That is one of the reasons why I go back 244 00:11:38,133 --> 00:11:42,633 to my spot in the bush because I can get grounded 245 00:11:42,633 --> 00:11:45,733 and reconnected to who I am after going rogue. 246 00:11:45,733 --> 00:11:49,233 Rogue Status was actually a performer at big events 247 00:11:49,233 --> 00:11:53,233 and parties before branching off into a porn career. 248 00:11:54,666 --> 00:11:55,900 By the time I had already got there, 249 00:11:55,900 --> 00:11:59,966 I had already built this brand and alter ego. 250 00:11:59,966 --> 00:12:02,800 So Rogue Status is everything else 251 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,700 that I haven't been able to be myself. 252 00:12:12,500 --> 00:12:14,700 - I've been called Kitten Bear for a while. 253 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,500 It was my online name for a while, 254 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:18,566 or for Scruff for a while. 255 00:12:18,566 --> 00:12:21,233 I never identified with the puppy side of things. 256 00:12:21,233 --> 00:12:22,400 I'm too independent. 257 00:12:23,333 --> 00:12:24,833 I'll come and play with you 258 00:12:24,833 --> 00:12:26,633 and then I'm gonna go do my own thing. 259 00:12:26,633 --> 00:12:29,033 And so Kitten kind of just worked for me. 260 00:12:29,033 --> 00:12:29,966 But Kitten didn't really describe it 261 00:12:29,966 --> 00:12:31,400 because I was bigger than that. 262 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,133 And so Kitten Bear kind of came from cuddly like a kitten, 263 00:12:34,133 --> 00:12:35,466 big like a bear. 264 00:12:35,466 --> 00:12:37,033 And when I met Nigel, he was the one 265 00:12:37,033 --> 00:12:39,733 that really grasped on that and jumped on that. 266 00:12:39,733 --> 00:12:40,966 He's like, "Oh, that's your Scruff name? 267 00:12:40,966 --> 00:12:42,833 "Why shouldn't this be your Instagram name? 268 00:12:42,833 --> 00:12:45,266 "This is what I'm gonna call you from now on." 269 00:12:46,700 --> 00:12:50,333 I grew up in Alberta, in a very small Mormon community. 270 00:12:50,333 --> 00:12:52,333 And as you grow up and leave, you know, 271 00:12:52,333 --> 00:12:55,566 I'd say it took four or five years to get fully comfortable. 272 00:12:55,566 --> 00:12:58,500 I'd say now, I'm fairly well adjusted to, you know, 273 00:12:58,500 --> 00:13:00,466 a new life and just my life. 274 00:13:00,466 --> 00:13:01,933 I have an Instagram. 275 00:13:01,933 --> 00:13:03,566 It's something that me and Nigel started more as kind of 276 00:13:03,566 --> 00:13:05,766 a fun like, oh, let's see how many followers we can get. 277 00:13:05,766 --> 00:13:07,566 One of the business opportunities that took off 278 00:13:07,566 --> 00:13:10,166 kind of from Instagram, Twitter, things like that 279 00:13:10,166 --> 00:13:13,766 was a site called OnlyFans where people basically pay 280 00:13:13,766 --> 00:13:15,966 whatever monthly fee that you're charging 281 00:13:15,966 --> 00:13:18,133 for access to all of the content that you post. 282 00:13:18,133 --> 00:13:22,133 And so, you know, for us, we post, you know, naked pictures. 283 00:13:22,133 --> 00:13:23,866 We have friends over to have sex with. 284 00:13:23,866 --> 00:13:25,200 It's a porn shop for us. 285 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:26,333 For other people, it's fitness. 286 00:13:26,333 --> 00:13:27,766 You can do anything you want. 287 00:13:27,766 --> 00:13:31,333 It actually became fairly lucrative, for Nigel especially, 288 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:34,000 when we actually started throwing parties together. 289 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,400 It really kind of took off where, oh, this is something 290 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,366 that can really help in so many ways, 291 00:13:38,366 --> 00:13:40,300 just having that much influence 292 00:13:40,300 --> 00:13:43,800 as far as number of people seeing what you're offering. 293 00:13:45,433 --> 00:13:48,333 And so, I mean, there's OnlyFans, which is that. 294 00:13:48,333 --> 00:13:50,200 We have the parties that are going on, 295 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,800 and it's only increasing there. 296 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:54,500 I'm doing massage right now as well. 297 00:13:55,966 --> 00:13:57,200 No, for sure. 298 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,433 What I offer is an hour of sensual massage. 299 00:14:00,433 --> 00:14:02,600 So what that means is that 300 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,700 we can both be naked if you'd like. 301 00:14:04,700 --> 00:14:08,566 It's a lot of touching on my side to you, 302 00:14:08,566 --> 00:14:11,100 lots of body contact, lots of that, 303 00:14:11,100 --> 00:14:13,433 and then mutual touching as well. 304 00:14:13,433 --> 00:14:16,133 Some people, they'll wear a jockstrap. 305 00:14:16,133 --> 00:14:17,933 They won't even be naked for the massage. 306 00:14:17,933 --> 00:14:19,733 Other people will go all the way, 307 00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:21,933 and you know, they'll have sex at the end of the session. 308 00:14:21,933 --> 00:14:23,266 It's my control. 309 00:14:23,266 --> 00:14:25,033 It's whatever I feel comfortable with, and obviously, 310 00:14:25,033 --> 00:14:26,733 what the client feels comfortable with as well. 311 00:14:26,733 --> 00:14:28,066 One client came and I was like, 312 00:14:28,066 --> 00:14:30,100 "Oh, do you get massages often?" 313 00:14:30,100 --> 00:14:31,833 He was like, "Yeah, I go probably every week." 314 00:14:31,833 --> 00:14:33,700 And he's like, "I just like to be touched. 315 00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:36,900 "I just like to have that human interaction." 316 00:14:36,900 --> 00:14:39,266 The boner parties are really interesting and fun. 317 00:14:39,266 --> 00:14:42,166 That's probably one of the things I'm most excited to go. 318 00:14:42,166 --> 00:14:44,666 It's my favorite time of the month. 319 00:14:44,666 --> 00:14:48,033 How the party started was we both come from big families, 320 00:14:48,033 --> 00:14:49,500 both me and Nigel. 321 00:14:49,500 --> 00:14:51,266 And so we were used to having people over all the time. 322 00:14:51,266 --> 00:14:54,266 And so we'd throw house parties, and then we'd invite 323 00:14:54,266 --> 00:14:56,100 our closest friends, and there'll be like 40 or 50. 324 00:14:56,100 --> 00:14:57,733 And eventually, it was a hundred people 325 00:14:57,733 --> 00:14:59,166 that were coming to our house for these parties. 326 00:14:59,166 --> 00:15:01,900 It's a dance party where there's no rules. 327 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:03,400 And so there's a candy table. 328 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,333 You can go and, you know, eat everything you want, 329 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:06,966 which is one of my favorite things. 330 00:15:06,966 --> 00:15:08,433 Food is the fastest way to my heart. 331 00:15:08,433 --> 00:15:11,133 So if you add food anywhere, I'm automatically sold. 332 00:15:11,133 --> 00:15:12,366 I like dancing. 333 00:15:12,366 --> 00:15:13,200 I like food. 334 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:14,133 I like sex. 335 00:15:14,133 --> 00:15:16,266 I mean, all three, all combined, 336 00:15:16,266 --> 00:15:19,133 and I don't have to clean up the mess, I'm in. (chuckles) 337 00:15:19,133 --> 00:15:22,600 Really, the core of the people that go is the hundred people 338 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,600 that come to our parties, and they invite their friends. 339 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,933 So it's a really close-knit group of people 340 00:15:26,933 --> 00:15:28,400 that all get along. 341 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,066 One of the themes for boner 342 00:15:30,066 --> 00:15:32,866 is come in whatever makes you feel comfortable. 343 00:15:32,866 --> 00:15:34,166 And so you don't have to go naked. 344 00:15:34,166 --> 00:15:35,433 You don't have wear lipstick. 345 00:15:35,433 --> 00:15:36,666 If you wanna wear a dress, you can. 346 00:15:36,666 --> 00:15:37,866 If you wanna wear a wig, you can. 347 00:15:37,866 --> 00:15:39,266 If you wanna go naked, you can. 348 00:15:39,266 --> 00:15:41,100 Do whatever makes you happy. 349 00:15:41,100 --> 00:15:44,433 And that's kind of how we view our relationship as well. 350 00:15:44,433 --> 00:15:45,666 Do what makes you happy, 351 00:15:45,666 --> 00:15:47,266 and the people that complement your life, 352 00:15:47,266 --> 00:15:50,700 the people that will fit, they're gonna fit in there. 353 00:15:50,700 --> 00:15:53,266 (upbeat music) 354 00:15:54,666 --> 00:15:58,633 - There is a lot of stigma around asking someone 355 00:15:58,633 --> 00:16:00,833 to give you cuddles for a fee. 356 00:16:00,833 --> 00:16:02,133 Do you prefer this or this? 357 00:16:04,700 --> 00:16:06,833 - I think I like it the other way, like this way, 358 00:16:06,833 --> 00:16:10,333 with the, so that I feel like I'm being hugged. 359 00:16:10,333 --> 00:16:11,633 - Yeah, exactly. 360 00:16:11,633 --> 00:16:12,866 That's great. 361 00:16:12,866 --> 00:16:14,800 The big thing that we're trying to address here 362 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,966 with professional cuddling is that we want 363 00:16:18,966 --> 00:16:21,766 all cuddling and any form of physical connection 364 00:16:21,766 --> 00:16:26,400 to be asked for and received in a respectful manner. 365 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,433 Can I trace your eyebrows and like your face? 366 00:16:30,433 --> 00:16:31,233 - Mm-hmm. 367 00:16:31,233 --> 00:16:32,066 - Yeah. 368 00:16:35,133 --> 00:16:39,033 'Cause I always like people tracing on my face. 369 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:44,466 I think that this practice as a whole 370 00:16:44,466 --> 00:16:47,466 can be a great conversation starter 371 00:16:47,466 --> 00:16:50,633 to get people really thinking about, you know, 372 00:16:50,633 --> 00:16:52,100 what their own preferences are, 373 00:16:52,100 --> 00:16:54,933 and also being able to stand by their own boundaries 374 00:16:54,933 --> 00:16:57,533 but also respect other people's boundaries. 375 00:16:57,533 --> 00:16:59,166 Michelle, can I give you a hug? 376 00:16:59,166 --> 00:17:00,366 - [Michelle] No, thank you. 377 00:17:00,366 --> 00:17:01,300 - Perfect. 378 00:17:01,300 --> 00:17:03,600 You wanna give it a try? 379 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,633 - Oscar, can I 380 00:17:08,533 --> 00:17:09,933 touch your ear? 381 00:17:09,933 --> 00:17:11,166 - One of the things that we do 382 00:17:11,166 --> 00:17:14,000 is called the no, thank you exercise. 383 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,733 The point of the exercise is to make three to five 384 00:17:16,733 --> 00:17:19,466 simple requests, but then the goal of the other partner 385 00:17:19,466 --> 00:17:21,766 is to say, "No, thank you." 386 00:17:21,766 --> 00:17:24,200 - Can I pat your thigh? 387 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,666 - No, thank you. 388 00:17:25,666 --> 00:17:29,066 And the point of this exercise is to reinforce that a no 389 00:17:29,066 --> 00:17:31,666 doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing. 390 00:17:31,666 --> 00:17:33,600 We don't have to accommodate for the other person. 391 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:35,866 It's about what you feel and what you want to get out of it. 392 00:17:35,866 --> 00:17:36,700 - Mm-hmm. 393 00:17:36,700 --> 00:17:37,866 - Okay. 394 00:17:37,866 --> 00:17:41,066 So the next one is called the ask and wait. 395 00:17:41,066 --> 00:17:45,000 So now, when I wanna ask, I wanna make a request, 396 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,433 you have three choices. 397 00:17:46,433 --> 00:17:49,300 You can either say, "Yes, I would like that," 398 00:17:49,300 --> 00:17:53,366 "No, thank you," or you can suggest something else. 399 00:17:53,366 --> 00:17:54,966 So you can say, "No, thank you, 400 00:17:54,966 --> 00:17:58,033 "but I would like to receive x." 401 00:17:58,033 --> 00:18:00,500 So the ask and wait method is more so 402 00:18:00,500 --> 00:18:02,633 to create that understanding 403 00:18:02,633 --> 00:18:06,166 that you don't have to make the choice out of guilt. 404 00:18:06,166 --> 00:18:08,533 Only do things that you want to do. 405 00:18:08,533 --> 00:18:10,100 - Cool, um. 406 00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:12,066 (Oscar laughs) 407 00:18:12,066 --> 00:18:14,533 - All right, so how is this feeling right now? 408 00:18:14,533 --> 00:18:15,366 - Good. 409 00:18:15,366 --> 00:18:17,600 I think that I'm full. 410 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,100 - Yes. 411 00:18:19,100 --> 00:18:21,500 - I remember there was one of the positions in the book 412 00:18:21,500 --> 00:18:23,833 with just like the leg and the arm 413 00:18:23,833 --> 00:18:25,566 sort of like hooked. - Okay. 414 00:18:25,566 --> 00:18:27,733 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 415 00:18:27,733 --> 00:18:28,600 Do you wanna try that one? 416 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,433 - Yeah. 417 00:18:29,433 --> 00:18:30,900 - Okay. 418 00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:33,066 I like to start off the session with giving them, you know, 419 00:18:33,066 --> 00:18:35,633 three simple poses, a good hug, you know, 420 00:18:35,633 --> 00:18:38,666 even just interlocking hands, and then the eye gaze 421 00:18:38,666 --> 00:18:41,666 to kinda get them started with that level of intimacy. 422 00:18:41,666 --> 00:18:44,100 And then we go from there. 423 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:45,766 - Like if my leg gets pins and needles or something, 424 00:18:45,766 --> 00:18:47,666 I'll be like, "Let's move on from this." 425 00:18:47,666 --> 00:18:48,600 - Let's switch it up. (chuckles) 426 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:49,966 - And switch it up. 427 00:18:49,966 --> 00:18:52,100 So that's like a nice comfort. 428 00:18:52,100 --> 00:18:55,400 - So with cuddling, we're open to taking any clients 429 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,533 regardless of like sex, race, identity, gender, 430 00:18:59,533 --> 00:19:00,833 anything like that. 431 00:19:00,833 --> 00:19:04,100 But I am predominantly looking to help out 432 00:19:04,100 --> 00:19:06,733 professional women, the reason being because right now, 433 00:19:06,733 --> 00:19:08,533 as it stands in the cuddling industry, 434 00:19:08,533 --> 00:19:10,500 there are more female cuddlers 435 00:19:10,500 --> 00:19:13,066 and there are more male clients. 436 00:19:13,066 --> 00:19:15,133 Touch-based services have always 437 00:19:15,133 --> 00:19:17,333 catered more to male clientele. 438 00:19:17,333 --> 00:19:20,100 Where I see myself in the grand scope of things 439 00:19:20,100 --> 00:19:22,833 as a gay man, it's a good opportunity for me 440 00:19:22,833 --> 00:19:26,633 to sort of give female clients that male attention 441 00:19:26,633 --> 00:19:29,766 with that extra layer of that I'm for sure 442 00:19:29,766 --> 00:19:33,933 not gonna try to give any sexual advances with them. 443 00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:39,533 - Yeah, and I feel like if I did something like this, 444 00:19:39,533 --> 00:19:42,033 I don't know, every few weeks or even once a month, 445 00:19:42,033 --> 00:19:45,300 whatever the case may be, that I might feel more comfortable 446 00:19:45,300 --> 00:19:46,800 with my own physical body. 447 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,433 I feel like I feel a little bit 448 00:19:48,433 --> 00:19:50,100 out of touch with that sometimes, 449 00:19:50,100 --> 00:19:53,033 and doing something like this, I already feel 450 00:19:53,033 --> 00:19:54,866 like I'm feeling each part of my body 451 00:19:54,866 --> 00:19:59,333 in a way that's nice and strong and secure, 452 00:19:59,333 --> 00:20:02,733 and I don't feel stressed or uncomfortable 453 00:20:02,733 --> 00:20:06,233 that you're expecting something else than what it is. 454 00:20:06,233 --> 00:20:07,933 So yeah, it's nice. 455 00:20:09,633 --> 00:20:13,833 - And if you are someone who, you know, is already working, 456 00:20:13,833 --> 00:20:17,000 you know, eight to 10 hours or more at your job 457 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,733 and all you want to do is just feel held, 458 00:20:20,733 --> 00:20:23,966 you know, going through the courtship of either going out 459 00:20:23,966 --> 00:20:27,300 to a bar or even logging on to social media apps, 460 00:20:27,300 --> 00:20:31,633 all of that takes effort and it takes emotional effort too. 461 00:20:35,733 --> 00:20:37,933 - There's a lot of, you know, successful people 462 00:20:37,933 --> 00:20:41,566 that don't have time to go, you know, on social sites 463 00:20:41,566 --> 00:20:44,033 to spend an hour, hour and a half, half an hour 464 00:20:44,033 --> 00:20:45,766 finding someone that likely isn't gonna be good. 465 00:20:45,766 --> 00:20:47,900 It's easier to be like, "Oh, I know I'm gonna have 466 00:20:47,900 --> 00:20:49,733 "a good time with so and so. 467 00:20:49,733 --> 00:20:51,366 "I'm gonna call you so it's just easy. 468 00:20:51,366 --> 00:20:52,566 "It's looked after." 469 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,066 - I was looking for relationships on the apps. 470 00:21:04,066 --> 00:21:05,566 I was looking for sex on the apps. 471 00:21:05,566 --> 00:21:08,066 I was doing all the things that we all do, 472 00:21:08,066 --> 00:21:09,900 and I wasn't getting anywhere. 473 00:21:11,266 --> 00:21:13,900 I was brushing up against ableism constantly, 474 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:15,033 dealing with discrimination 475 00:21:15,033 --> 00:21:18,333 against my disability all the time. 476 00:21:18,333 --> 00:21:20,500 - [Raj] That was your bum. 477 00:21:20,500 --> 00:21:21,333 - [Andrew] My bum. 478 00:21:21,333 --> 00:21:22,700 - Your bum. (chuckles) 479 00:21:22,700 --> 00:21:26,433 - Make sure that I don't fly across the room. 480 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:34,900 Being just discouraged that one day I decided 481 00:21:34,900 --> 00:21:39,900 that, okay, let me go on these sites and see what I can do. 482 00:21:41,333 --> 00:21:42,800 And it's not anybody giving it to me out of charity. 483 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,900 It's me actively deciding this is what I want. 484 00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:48,133 The marginalized community of individuals with disabilities, 485 00:21:48,133 --> 00:21:49,666 their access to their bodies 486 00:21:49,666 --> 00:21:52,966 and their access to their own sexuality is so limited 487 00:21:54,866 --> 00:21:56,633 by financial things, 488 00:21:56,633 --> 00:22:00,566 by stigma around disability and sexuality. 489 00:22:00,566 --> 00:22:04,800 So especially in queer male spaces, we can't go to the gym, 490 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,533 can't access certain social things we do, 491 00:22:07,533 --> 00:22:09,166 can't access all the clubs we go to, 492 00:22:09,166 --> 00:22:11,300 can't access the community the way we do, 493 00:22:11,300 --> 00:22:15,033 are assumed to be asexual or non-sexual by our community, 494 00:22:15,033 --> 00:22:20,033 so we don't tend to have a lot of success in going on dates. 495 00:22:29,133 --> 00:22:32,366 Putting aside that money, there's a power play, 496 00:22:32,366 --> 00:22:35,733 a really positive power play of me deciding 497 00:22:35,733 --> 00:22:38,766 that this is money that I want to use for this. 498 00:22:38,766 --> 00:22:43,066 I love pre-booking because it means that I can buy 499 00:22:43,066 --> 00:22:46,233 two or three sessions and know that, 500 00:22:46,233 --> 00:22:48,200 okay, for the next month, my sex is figured out. 501 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,600 I have it figured out. 502 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,833 It's a very selfish, a positively selfish act. 503 00:22:53,833 --> 00:22:56,366 - I know how good that feels when you have 504 00:22:56,366 --> 00:23:01,266 that part of you expressed and that part of you nurtured. 505 00:23:01,266 --> 00:23:05,000 It's been a journey as with my acceptance of my own body. 506 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,366 Being South Asian, there's like that sense 507 00:23:08,366 --> 00:23:11,366 of being less than because you're usually seeing bodies 508 00:23:11,366 --> 00:23:14,166 that are white having sex when you're watching porn 509 00:23:14,166 --> 00:23:17,233 or in movies or in things like that. 510 00:23:17,233 --> 00:23:18,500 It creates these things. 511 00:23:18,500 --> 00:23:20,033 Or if your body has to look a particular way, 512 00:23:20,033 --> 00:23:21,466 it's more deserving of pleasure 513 00:23:21,466 --> 00:23:23,133 than if your body looks this way. 514 00:23:23,133 --> 00:23:28,133 You deserve love, pleasure, intimacy no matter how you look. 515 00:23:34,533 --> 00:23:36,866 So the benefit of a repeat client 516 00:23:36,866 --> 00:23:39,233 is you really get to know somebody, 517 00:23:39,233 --> 00:23:43,666 how their body receives pleasure. 518 00:23:43,666 --> 00:23:47,966 And you feel the healing kind of happen within the person. 519 00:23:50,466 --> 00:23:51,866 It's an awesome part. 520 00:23:51,866 --> 00:23:53,400 That's like the main, obviously, the central reason 521 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,366 why I do it, because I thin we take on these conditions 522 00:23:57,366 --> 00:24:00,500 that we see in media and in porn and whatever, 523 00:24:00,500 --> 00:24:04,000 and they'll be like," Oh, this is supposed to happen," 524 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,266 or, "This is supposed to happen." 525 00:24:05,266 --> 00:24:08,700 And I think with porn and stuff like that, 526 00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:13,233 I think there's a lot of power given to sex means this. 527 00:24:14,233 --> 00:24:15,866 It's penetrative. 528 00:24:15,866 --> 00:24:17,233 But there are so many other ways 529 00:24:17,233 --> 00:24:20,466 your body can experience sex. 530 00:24:20,466 --> 00:24:24,033 And the thing is I think through my work, 531 00:24:24,033 --> 00:24:29,033 I wanna be able to help people understand their bodies. 532 00:24:30,233 --> 00:24:31,666 And I think that's what's so amazing, 533 00:24:31,666 --> 00:24:34,666 because I think it teaches people that 534 00:24:36,533 --> 00:24:38,833 there's so much possibilities when it comes to their body. 535 00:24:38,833 --> 00:24:40,300 There are so many things that you can feel 536 00:24:40,300 --> 00:24:41,533 that you don't even know. 537 00:24:45,466 --> 00:24:46,700 - Now I'm warm. 538 00:24:46,700 --> 00:24:47,766 - [Raj] There you go. 539 00:24:50,466 --> 00:24:51,500 - Depending on the scene with the client, 540 00:24:51,500 --> 00:24:52,766 I can feel really good about it 541 00:24:52,766 --> 00:24:54,433 or I can feel really bad about it. 542 00:24:54,433 --> 00:24:56,800 Clients don't know their limits and want me to push them 543 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,700 further than they're capable of to the point of 544 00:25:00,700 --> 00:25:03,000 broken skin, or blood, 545 00:25:05,166 --> 00:25:06,700 or very extreme heavy play. 546 00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:09,200 Even for me, that's pretty extreme. 547 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,566 It takes me a minute to regroup after, sometimes a day. 548 00:25:12,566 --> 00:25:14,066 I don't want anyone to get hurt. 549 00:25:14,066 --> 00:25:15,900 I don't want anyone to get sick. 550 00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:18,200 So scat play is out. 551 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:22,033 Anything with blood and serious pain is out. 552 00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:25,033 When it comes to BDSM, there is an element 553 00:25:25,033 --> 00:25:26,933 of pain and pleasure involved with it, 554 00:25:26,933 --> 00:25:31,533 but I'm not about inflicting heavy bodily harm on people. 555 00:25:31,533 --> 00:25:33,500 When I go to work, it's completely different 556 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:37,033 than what my sex life at home is going to be. 557 00:25:37,033 --> 00:25:39,033 I don't really wanna have that crossover, 558 00:25:39,033 --> 00:25:40,533 like I don't wanna bring work home. 559 00:25:40,533 --> 00:25:44,466 I do have elements of BDSM play that I like 560 00:25:44,466 --> 00:25:48,700 in my personal sex life, but that's more about bonding 561 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,766 and creating connection and trust and safety. 562 00:25:51,766 --> 00:25:55,300 One of the best ways to feel safe and comfortable 563 00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:57,100 with somebody is to be tied up by them 564 00:25:57,100 --> 00:26:00,366 because you have to really let yourself go somewhere else. 565 00:26:00,366 --> 00:26:04,200 And it's gonna be cathartic, and you might cry. 566 00:26:07,466 --> 00:26:11,366 Sex work affects almost every relationship I have. 567 00:26:11,366 --> 00:26:14,066 Everybody has a negative stigma based around it 568 00:26:14,066 --> 00:26:15,866 as far as I can see. 569 00:26:15,866 --> 00:26:18,733 Dating somebody that's not in the trade 570 00:26:18,733 --> 00:26:21,733 or hasn't done the trade, you know, 571 00:26:21,733 --> 00:26:24,966 again, trying to convince them of work being separate 572 00:26:24,966 --> 00:26:27,866 from personal life is next to impossible. 573 00:26:29,033 --> 00:26:31,366 - I think sex and kind of our views on sex 574 00:26:31,366 --> 00:26:33,866 is changing drastically. 575 00:26:33,866 --> 00:26:36,533 I definitely think religion had a long hold 576 00:26:36,533 --> 00:26:38,000 that people don't realize is there, 577 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,400 but religion set up what sex should be. 578 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,933 It should be man and wife, depending on your religion, 579 00:26:43,933 --> 00:26:46,100 when you're trying to have kids. 580 00:26:46,100 --> 00:26:48,633 Even with OnlyFans and things like that, 581 00:26:48,633 --> 00:26:51,800 I think that that helps the sex image because before, 582 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,566 you had studios and kind of what was, 583 00:26:53,566 --> 00:26:55,900 oh, this is what it looks like. 584 00:26:55,900 --> 00:26:57,166 Whereas with OnlyFans, 585 00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:59,433 it really is us and our friends just having sex. 586 00:26:59,433 --> 00:27:01,200 We set up a tripod on the counter 587 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,266 and then just enjoy ourselves. 588 00:27:03,266 --> 00:27:05,133 And so it kind of takes away of like, 589 00:27:05,133 --> 00:27:06,733 oh, people talk during sex. 590 00:27:06,733 --> 00:27:07,666 Oh, you know what? 591 00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:09,166 There's gonna be a mistake. 592 00:27:09,166 --> 00:27:10,633 Sometimes it's gonna be like, oh, it didn't work. 593 00:27:10,633 --> 00:27:12,133 Or this doesn't work, or you'll try to say something. 594 00:27:12,133 --> 00:27:15,500 And today, we're gonna make for you guys a beef stir fry. 595 00:27:15,500 --> 00:27:16,633 - Let's get naked. 596 00:27:16,633 --> 00:27:17,466 - Perfect. 597 00:27:19,166 --> 00:27:21,200 But it's nice because you see a different side 598 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,333 that's light and funny. 599 00:27:24,866 --> 00:27:26,233 All right, let's get started. 600 00:27:26,233 --> 00:27:27,433 It's fun. 601 00:27:27,433 --> 00:27:28,633 It's all of our friends and lovers. 602 00:27:28,633 --> 00:27:29,566 It's not these strangers that you don't know 603 00:27:29,566 --> 00:27:31,033 and have no connection with. 604 00:27:31,033 --> 00:27:32,833 Invite the people that you're most close with, 605 00:27:32,833 --> 00:27:34,433 that you want to spend the most time with, 606 00:27:34,433 --> 00:27:36,800 and invite them into the bedroom. 607 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,166 You will have a better time 608 00:27:38,166 --> 00:27:39,566 than someone that you don't know. 609 00:27:39,566 --> 00:27:41,933 And the best part about relationships is that 610 00:27:41,933 --> 00:27:43,333 it can be anything you want it to be. 611 00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:45,533 And I think that's where religion has had 612 00:27:45,533 --> 00:27:47,900 such a negative impact, is it's this is what it must be. 613 00:27:47,900 --> 00:27:51,033 And so soon as you deviate from that, it's different. 614 00:27:56,133 --> 00:27:57,700 - I had a previous relationship 615 00:27:57,700 --> 00:28:01,633 where the sex and intimacy were kind of as one. 616 00:28:01,633 --> 00:28:03,100 So I remember coming out of that relationship 617 00:28:03,100 --> 00:28:07,733 and it was very like, I felt like super fucked up about sex. 618 00:28:07,733 --> 00:28:10,166 It was this thing where I realized the only times 619 00:28:10,166 --> 00:28:14,233 that I was sober was when I was like with clients. 620 00:28:14,233 --> 00:28:16,066 Like I was just like, okay, so I can do this work, 621 00:28:16,066 --> 00:28:20,533 but I'm like, I have some healing to do within myself. 622 00:28:20,533 --> 00:28:23,333 To be able to help people condition that part 623 00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:25,666 is something that I feel like is a very, 624 00:28:25,666 --> 00:28:27,633 I think is very important, especially when it comes 625 00:28:27,633 --> 00:28:32,000 to gay men and our bodies and what that means. 626 00:28:34,966 --> 00:28:36,666 - When a client goes on to my website, 627 00:28:36,666 --> 00:28:38,100 in order to book a session, 628 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:40,133 they'll see the cuddling commandments. 629 00:28:40,133 --> 00:28:43,900 So these are the 10 basic ground rules that we have 630 00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:45,433 with regards to the cuddling session, 631 00:28:45,433 --> 00:28:48,566 which means that you have to be at least 18 years of age. 632 00:28:48,566 --> 00:28:50,466 You have to be free of mind-altering substances. 633 00:28:50,466 --> 00:28:53,133 You can't come drunk or high or anything like that. 634 00:28:53,133 --> 00:28:56,700 It's basically talking about how it's not a sexual service. 635 00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:59,233 And so once they agreed to all that and they book a time, 636 00:28:59,233 --> 00:29:00,966 then it's up to the client to decide 637 00:29:00,966 --> 00:29:03,233 whether they want to come to the cuddler's space 638 00:29:03,233 --> 00:29:06,133 or host the cuddler at their own space. 639 00:29:09,466 --> 00:29:11,000 And so if they're coming to my space, 640 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,233 what I'd like to do is I like to get some nice music going. 641 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,833 I have some sweetwood, and I have some sage 642 00:29:18,833 --> 00:29:20,733 and incense that I like to light. 643 00:29:22,633 --> 00:29:25,766 And then I prepare wherever we're gonna be cuddling. 644 00:29:25,766 --> 00:29:27,833 So it could be on a couch. 645 00:29:27,833 --> 00:29:29,133 It could be on the ground. 646 00:29:29,133 --> 00:29:30,400 It can be on a bed. 647 00:29:33,433 --> 00:29:35,466 I always like to encourage the clients 648 00:29:35,466 --> 00:29:38,166 to come with their own ideas of cuddling positions 649 00:29:38,166 --> 00:29:41,566 that they like to try, or to even think about 650 00:29:41,566 --> 00:29:45,433 examples of touch in their lives that they have enjoyed. 651 00:29:45,433 --> 00:29:49,766 - Yeah, generally, scalp touch is very therapeutic. 652 00:29:49,766 --> 00:29:50,700 - Yeah? 653 00:29:50,700 --> 00:29:51,533 - Mm-hmm. 654 00:29:51,533 --> 00:29:52,466 - Cool. 655 00:29:52,466 --> 00:29:53,300 So how about we start with that? 656 00:29:59,433 --> 00:30:02,566 I started my performing career back in high school, 657 00:30:02,566 --> 00:30:05,400 doing musical theater, which introduced me 658 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,466 to the world of dance and singing and just acting 659 00:30:08,466 --> 00:30:10,966 and general body awareness. 660 00:30:10,966 --> 00:30:13,933 I've noticed that a big component of the acting 661 00:30:13,933 --> 00:30:16,100 and singing and even dancing, 662 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,766 there's a big understanding of breath work 663 00:30:18,766 --> 00:30:21,800 and the benefits that that can bring along to our craft. 664 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,433 So that's something that I like to bring to our sessions. 665 00:30:24,433 --> 00:30:26,833 Say we're in the middle of an embrace, 666 00:30:26,833 --> 00:30:29,533 like breathing together can be very helpful 667 00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:31,333 and stress relieving. 668 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,300 Very good, very good breath. 669 00:30:41,733 --> 00:30:45,433 Touch has an immensive power to heal. 670 00:30:45,433 --> 00:30:49,600 Because we're being taught to be so tough 671 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,333 and show a tough face, a poker face and not let the world 672 00:30:52,333 --> 00:30:56,300 see our problems, I think that by reintroducing touch 673 00:30:56,300 --> 00:30:59,666 in a healthy platonic way is a great way for us 674 00:30:59,666 --> 00:31:04,433 to remind ourselves that it's okay to feel vulnerable, 675 00:31:04,433 --> 00:31:06,500 because it's so easy to think that we're alone 676 00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:08,166 in all these things that we're feeling. 677 00:31:08,166 --> 00:31:09,366 It's so easy. 678 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,700 If you ever feel alone, something that you could always do 679 00:31:22,700 --> 00:31:26,333 is you can take your hand and place it over your heart. 680 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,166 And if you just slowly breathe, 681 00:31:34,166 --> 00:31:38,166 it's a great way for you to reconnect with yourself 682 00:31:38,166 --> 00:31:40,466 and remind yourself that you're here 683 00:31:40,466 --> 00:31:41,733 and that you're not alone. 684 00:31:41,733 --> 00:31:44,466 There are studies that actually show 685 00:31:44,466 --> 00:31:49,433 that you placing your hand over your heart and breathing 686 00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:54,166 will help you reconnect, and it's almost as good as a hug. 687 00:31:54,166 --> 00:31:56,866 By you acknowledging and connecting with yourself, 688 00:31:56,866 --> 00:31:59,166 it will allow you to have deeper connections 689 00:31:59,166 --> 00:32:00,333 with other people too. 690 00:32:01,633 --> 00:32:02,833 (man speaks in foreign language) 691 00:32:02,833 --> 00:32:05,600 (group chuckles) 692 00:32:07,033 --> 00:32:09,933 - I always say in order to give of myself, 693 00:32:09,933 --> 00:32:12,733 I need to know how to give to myself. 694 00:32:12,733 --> 00:32:15,000 I give to myself through making sure 695 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,200 having like a spiritual sort of practice through meditation, 696 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,433 through writing, through my chosen family, 697 00:32:21,433 --> 00:32:26,433 and through also having, you know, 698 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,500 intimate experiences for my own personal self. 699 00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:35,966 Then before a session, it's so much easier for me 700 00:32:35,966 --> 00:32:38,433 to go from here to here, 'cause then I'm very much like, 701 00:32:38,433 --> 00:32:39,800 okay, it's all here. 702 00:32:40,966 --> 00:32:43,433 - I call on Raj because I know he's reliable. 703 00:32:44,533 --> 00:32:47,433 I've worked with workers who don't show up. 704 00:32:47,433 --> 00:32:50,566 That's important for me as somebody who already lives 705 00:32:50,566 --> 00:32:53,000 on the margins of trying to find (mumbles) 706 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,266 and trying to find connection. 707 00:32:54,266 --> 00:32:56,933 - So when it comes to it being kind of 708 00:32:56,933 --> 00:32:59,866 about sexual surrogacy and my work, 709 00:33:01,266 --> 00:33:05,066 I had a client actually describe it as that, I remember. 710 00:33:05,066 --> 00:33:07,866 And he said, "I've never heard an escort 711 00:33:07,866 --> 00:33:11,233 "speak about their work in that way before. 712 00:33:11,233 --> 00:33:15,800 "And it sounds like you're a surrogate or a conduit." 713 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,066 I mean, whatever I do, 714 00:33:19,266 --> 00:33:20,266 it's healing work. 715 00:33:20,266 --> 00:33:21,700 It is what it is. 716 00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:25,600 When I got into my work, I think it deepened my connections 717 00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:27,700 to the people who matter in my life 718 00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:31,566 because I have a certain understanding and truth 719 00:33:31,566 --> 00:33:35,666 in how I do my work and why it's fulfilling for me. 720 00:33:35,666 --> 00:33:37,966 And if people can see that in me, 721 00:33:37,966 --> 00:33:39,266 that means they can see me. 722 00:33:39,266 --> 00:33:41,633 All of my friends know what I do 723 00:33:41,633 --> 00:33:44,133 and understand why it's important to me. 724 00:33:44,133 --> 00:33:47,833 And when you have that, you're able to tap into 725 00:33:47,833 --> 00:33:51,866 your own intuition, which that helps you in avoiding 726 00:33:51,866 --> 00:33:54,733 any potentially dangerous situations. 727 00:33:54,733 --> 00:33:56,966 I've never had a bad experience. 728 00:33:56,966 --> 00:34:00,133 I've had one where it could have been, 729 00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:03,000 but then I kind of like listened to my inner voice 730 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,566 and got out before the person even showed up, 731 00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:08,333 and I ended up being right on my (mumbles). 732 00:34:08,333 --> 00:34:11,433 It was a good idea that I did not stay. 733 00:34:11,433 --> 00:34:14,100 - You know, there's a scary dark side to the business. 734 00:34:14,100 --> 00:34:15,866 Thankfully, I've never been in a situation 735 00:34:15,866 --> 00:34:17,433 that's gotten out of hand. 736 00:34:17,433 --> 00:34:22,433 I had one violent situation in Florida, 737 00:34:23,900 --> 00:34:25,666 and that set my precedent for what was never, ever, 738 00:34:25,666 --> 00:34:27,033 ever gonna happen again. 739 00:34:27,033 --> 00:34:30,133 I was flown down and had my ticket 740 00:34:30,133 --> 00:34:33,500 relying on somebody else's, you know, 741 00:34:33,500 --> 00:34:35,533 because they booked it kind of thing. 742 00:34:35,533 --> 00:34:37,066 Yeah, like now, I always make sure that, you know, 743 00:34:37,066 --> 00:34:39,366 if somebody wants me to travel to go see them, 744 00:34:41,533 --> 00:34:43,800 that they transfer a deposit which is enough 745 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,933 for me to manage my own booking. 746 00:34:45,933 --> 00:34:49,566 I get every request you could possibly imagine. 747 00:34:49,566 --> 00:34:54,066 Somebody requests to have me as a sub or bottom 748 00:34:54,066 --> 00:34:56,933 in a bondage or BDSM scene, it's a firm no. 749 00:34:56,933 --> 00:34:58,833 We already know that that's putting yourself 750 00:34:58,833 --> 00:35:02,700 into serious danger, so that's not gonna happen. 751 00:35:02,700 --> 00:35:04,433 I would never do that with somebody 752 00:35:04,433 --> 00:35:08,066 until I have established a rapport with this client. 753 00:35:08,066 --> 00:35:09,933 In terms of being a sex worker 754 00:35:11,366 --> 00:35:16,366 and not having an agency per se as female sex workers might, 755 00:35:17,366 --> 00:35:19,200 when it comes to male sex work, 756 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,266 you're basically on your own. 757 00:35:20,266 --> 00:35:21,766 Whenever I'm going to work, 758 00:35:21,766 --> 00:35:23,333 I always let somebody know where I'm going. 759 00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:24,733 I have my location shared. 760 00:35:24,733 --> 00:35:26,600 Depending on how long the session is, 761 00:35:27,766 --> 00:35:30,233 I get something called knocking to happen, 762 00:35:30,233 --> 00:35:32,666 which is, you know, a friend will call and check in 763 00:35:32,666 --> 00:35:33,833 and make sure I'm okay. 764 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,333 - I like the fact that it's not me living here alone. 765 00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:40,666 So if there was a problem, for the most part, Nigel's home. 766 00:35:40,666 --> 00:35:41,866 If things get really bad, 767 00:35:41,866 --> 00:35:44,133 I could yell and hopefully have that. 768 00:35:44,133 --> 00:35:46,566 A few precautions I take before I head into this, 769 00:35:46,566 --> 00:35:49,133 with meeting people, I generally don't do 770 00:35:49,133 --> 00:35:50,633 the same day (mumbles) because I find people, 771 00:35:50,633 --> 00:35:51,766 they're like, "Oh, I want a massage. 772 00:35:51,766 --> 00:35:53,500 "Can you be free in 20 minutes," 773 00:35:53,500 --> 00:35:55,066 probably not the best kind of clients. 774 00:35:55,066 --> 00:35:57,666 Whereas if you can have a little conversation beforehand. 775 00:35:57,666 --> 00:36:00,133 If they're polite and nice, you know what, 776 00:36:00,133 --> 00:36:02,500 I'm gonna take people that I feel comfortable with 777 00:36:02,500 --> 00:36:04,066 because if I'm not enjoying it, 778 00:36:04,066 --> 00:36:06,600 that client is likely not gonna enjoy it either. 779 00:36:09,666 --> 00:36:13,166 What I like about the massage part is that I'm in control. 780 00:36:13,166 --> 00:36:15,966 With escort, it kind of is assumed of what you're doing. 781 00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:19,733 This is the first time I haven't had a job 782 00:36:19,733 --> 00:36:21,733 with money coming in regularly. 783 00:36:21,733 --> 00:36:24,500 With losing my job, it was definitely 784 00:36:24,500 --> 00:36:27,300 one of the more traumatic things I've had in my life, 785 00:36:27,300 --> 00:36:29,133 which sounds stupid, losing a job, 786 00:36:29,133 --> 00:36:31,600 but just the manner it was done. 787 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,100 I've always been a good employee. 788 00:36:33,100 --> 00:36:35,333 I've never been fired from a job in my entire life. 789 00:36:35,333 --> 00:36:37,366 They pulled me, and the HR person came, 790 00:36:37,366 --> 00:36:38,566 pulled me into a meeting. 791 00:36:38,566 --> 00:36:39,900 They handed me a letter. 792 00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:41,000 I read it. 793 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,333 With all your Instagram, due to this, 794 00:36:42,333 --> 00:36:44,200 you're being terminated with cause, 795 00:36:45,066 --> 00:36:46,533 no severance, no anything. 796 00:36:46,533 --> 00:36:51,066 So right now, I'm going through kind of a lawsuit with them, 797 00:36:51,066 --> 00:36:52,933 just feeling like it's not fair, you know, 798 00:36:52,933 --> 00:36:55,266 after seven years working there, to walk me out the door 799 00:36:55,266 --> 00:36:57,833 because you don't agree with something in my lifestyle. 800 00:36:57,833 --> 00:36:59,566 I mean, luckily, I had OnlyFans. 801 00:36:59,566 --> 00:37:02,666 I had a few things coming in that did help, 802 00:37:02,666 --> 00:37:05,166 but it's just a different mindset to all of a sudden, 803 00:37:05,166 --> 00:37:06,566 you know, go on one day and have your, 804 00:37:06,566 --> 00:37:08,600 really, entire life changed. 805 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,033 And the more I looked at different job postings 806 00:37:11,033 --> 00:37:13,066 and looked at other things out there, 807 00:37:13,066 --> 00:37:16,500 I realized that it just, none of that sounded interesting. 808 00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:19,166 It was like, maybe this isn't the end of the world. 809 00:37:19,166 --> 00:37:21,366 Maybe this is a good chance to, you know, 810 00:37:21,366 --> 00:37:23,033 try something that I haven't done before. 811 00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,066 It wasn't the right circumstance or the right time 812 00:37:25,066 --> 00:37:27,633 or how it was done, but I do think 813 00:37:27,633 --> 00:37:30,066 that it'll be something that I look back on 814 00:37:30,066 --> 00:37:33,033 and it's something that benefited my life. 815 00:37:33,033 --> 00:37:35,433 - Now that I have kind of come out 816 00:37:35,433 --> 00:37:38,100 as working with sex workers as part of my platform, 817 00:37:38,100 --> 00:37:40,266 it's been a really freeing experience 818 00:37:40,266 --> 00:37:42,666 because the stigma goes away. 819 00:37:42,666 --> 00:37:45,833 I've talked about it on my podcast, Disability After Dark. 820 00:37:45,833 --> 00:37:49,233 I had Raj as a guest a few weeks ago. 821 00:37:53,066 --> 00:37:56,433 - [Announcer] Disability After Dark with Andrew Gurza, 822 00:37:57,933 --> 00:38:01,233 shining a bright light on sex and disability. 823 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,633 - [Andrew] Did you feel like, 824 00:38:09,633 --> 00:38:10,700 what did you think when I was like, 825 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:12,900 "Hey, I'm a wheelchair user." 826 00:38:12,900 --> 00:38:15,866 Did you have any feelings about what that might look like, 827 00:38:15,866 --> 00:38:18,700 what gay sex with a wheelchair user might look like 828 00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:21,200 and how disability would impact all that? 829 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,866 - [Raj] The thing is everybody's different 830 00:38:22,866 --> 00:38:26,566 with however they are, with their disabilities. 831 00:38:26,566 --> 00:38:27,866 So the thing was I was more coming at it 832 00:38:27,866 --> 00:38:30,633 from a place of, you know, curiosity. 833 00:38:30,633 --> 00:38:33,000 I had no idea what to expect. 834 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,333 I just was more curious to see 835 00:38:35,333 --> 00:38:39,533 like how it would sort of like happen. 836 00:38:39,533 --> 00:38:40,366 You know what I mean? 837 00:38:40,366 --> 00:38:41,200 - [Andrew] Awesome. 838 00:38:42,733 --> 00:38:44,300 Were you like scared? 839 00:38:44,300 --> 00:38:46,200 Were you like, "Oh, my god, this is wrong, 840 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,300 "What am I doing?" 841 00:38:48,300 --> 00:38:49,366 - [Raj] There was a sense of just 842 00:38:49,366 --> 00:38:50,866 I hope I do everything right. 843 00:38:50,866 --> 00:38:53,933 It was more like you're another human being 844 00:38:53,933 --> 00:38:56,233 looking to experience pleasure, 845 00:38:56,233 --> 00:39:01,233 and our connection will be to help facilitate that. 846 00:39:02,333 --> 00:39:03,800 You know what I mean? 847 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,266 - Thank you so much for being so vulnerable with me 848 00:39:05,266 --> 00:39:07,300 and sharing intimacy with me. 849 00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:09,166 I really appreciate it. 850 00:39:09,166 --> 00:39:11,633 Telling my mom that I work with sex workers 851 00:39:11,633 --> 00:39:14,333 was kind of a long time coming. 852 00:39:14,333 --> 00:39:16,833 I just said, "Okay, look, I work with people, 853 00:39:16,833 --> 00:39:19,066 "I work with sex workers to get my needs met." 854 00:39:19,066 --> 00:39:21,600 She, without missing a beat, said, "Oh, okay. 855 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,400 "If this is what you're doing to make yourself happy 856 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,000 "and this is what you need to feel okay, 857 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,833 "I support it." 858 00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:29,833 - My family all knows I'm gay. 859 00:39:29,833 --> 00:39:31,933 They know I'm dating Nigel and I live with Nigel. 860 00:39:31,933 --> 00:39:34,766 I would say that's pretty much the extent. 861 00:39:34,766 --> 00:39:37,133 I remember I posted a picture of us, 862 00:39:37,133 --> 00:39:40,566 me and friends in a bar on my family Facebook, 863 00:39:40,566 --> 00:39:42,233 because I have a separate account as well. 864 00:39:42,233 --> 00:39:43,766 Yeah, my mom called and she was like, 865 00:39:43,766 --> 00:39:45,400 "Honey, I'm concerned that you're at a bar drinking," 866 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,200 where I was like, oh, wow, I forgot 867 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:50,166 we were that many steps back as far as 868 00:39:50,166 --> 00:39:52,233 what you're comfortable with and what you're aware of. 869 00:39:52,233 --> 00:39:55,666 Our lifestyles are so different, but my family knows 870 00:39:55,666 --> 00:40:00,333 I would say on the lower side of most things that I'm doing. 871 00:40:00,333 --> 00:40:02,200 - My mom now knows. 872 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:03,833 It's the one conversation 873 00:40:03,833 --> 00:40:06,966 where I was always so scared to have. 874 00:40:06,966 --> 00:40:08,466 So I initially started talking. 875 00:40:08,466 --> 00:40:09,866 I was like stammering a little bit. 876 00:40:09,866 --> 00:40:11,100 I'm like, oh, my god. 877 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:13,300 And then once again, I just started to explain 878 00:40:13,300 --> 00:40:17,600 the whole thing about the importance of the work. 879 00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:22,600 And then she says to me that she's listening to my voice 880 00:40:24,066 --> 00:40:26,400 and she says, "Well, I can tell that you're doing it 881 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,133 "from a good place, because I've heard your voice 882 00:40:28,133 --> 00:40:29,533 "when you were not in a good place, 883 00:40:29,533 --> 00:40:31,333 "and I'm hearing your voice now." 884 00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:36,333 And my mom says, you know, "You were meant to be here 885 00:40:37,500 --> 00:40:40,333 "to do something really great, and I can see 886 00:40:40,333 --> 00:40:44,366 "that you're meant to be here to make people happy. 887 00:40:44,366 --> 00:40:45,966 "And for that, I'm proud of you." 888 00:40:47,166 --> 00:40:51,300 And to go to your mom and just say your truth 889 00:40:51,300 --> 00:40:54,800 and just to hear that sense of understanding, 890 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,833 my abilities, I feel like I can tap into them that much more 891 00:40:58,833 --> 00:41:03,700 because that shame, that fear takes up space. 892 00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:06,533 - I'd like to not have secrets in my family. 893 00:41:06,533 --> 00:41:10,233 So we have a very open-minded family 894 00:41:11,966 --> 00:41:16,533 I guess is the way to put it, two gay kids, hippie parents. 895 00:41:16,533 --> 00:41:18,233 I don't like to keep secrets about it 896 00:41:18,233 --> 00:41:22,000 because at a time of survival, it was a secret. 897 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,433 Do I have an exit strategy? 898 00:41:24,433 --> 00:41:25,766 Kind of. 899 00:41:25,766 --> 00:41:26,800 Do I have a plan for it? 900 00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,266 Almost. 901 00:41:28,266 --> 00:41:30,933 Do I have a shelf life that I wanna cap it up at? 902 00:41:30,933 --> 00:41:32,400 Absolutely. 903 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,166 Will all those things happen according to plan? 904 00:41:35,166 --> 00:41:36,633 Probably not. 905 00:41:36,633 --> 00:41:39,800 Rogue Showtime Status, five foot eight, 175 pounds. 906 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,266 This is my first time-- 907 00:41:41,266 --> 00:41:44,066 This is a very hard business to exit because it's your body. 908 00:41:44,066 --> 00:41:46,033 You can't just leave yourself. 909 00:41:46,033 --> 00:41:49,066 You get accustomed to a certain lifestyle. 910 00:41:49,066 --> 00:41:51,100 My advice to anybody considering 911 00:41:51,100 --> 00:41:53,833 getting into sex work or porn 912 00:41:55,266 --> 00:41:56,066 is don't. 913 00:42:01,033 --> 00:42:03,800 The porn industry will shoot you and chew you up 914 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,533 and spit you out until the next best thing comes along, 915 00:42:06,533 --> 00:42:08,733 put you up to pasture before you even knew it. 916 00:42:08,733 --> 00:42:10,866 Then you fall back on your sex work. 917 00:42:10,866 --> 00:42:14,333 And when you become this 40-year-old hooker 918 00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:17,266 that's washed up, then what do you have? 919 00:42:17,266 --> 00:42:18,833 If you're really smart about it 920 00:42:20,566 --> 00:42:21,800 and you do it right, 921 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:23,733 then you can make your good money and get out. 922 00:42:23,733 --> 00:42:26,766 It's a bit of a trap as well 923 00:42:26,766 --> 00:42:28,433 'cause it's really hard to leave. 924 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:33,366 - My goal is to kinda push this forward now so that 925 00:42:33,366 --> 00:42:37,733 it can be recognized as an official holistic practice, 926 00:42:37,733 --> 00:42:40,700 because right now, there is no regulation, obviously, 927 00:42:40,700 --> 00:42:42,966 around it because it's relatively new. 928 00:42:42,966 --> 00:42:45,900 Of course, people are more used to going to yoga class, 929 00:42:45,900 --> 00:42:48,333 or buying essential oils, or going for massages, 930 00:42:48,333 --> 00:42:52,366 or even therapy to address their own individual needs. 931 00:42:52,366 --> 00:42:54,766 So if I can get it to that point, then that would mean 932 00:42:54,766 --> 00:42:58,866 that it would allow for, you know, licensing of my teachings 933 00:42:58,866 --> 00:43:01,433 or the practice, maybe writing books around it, 934 00:43:01,433 --> 00:43:05,100 working with businesses who maybe are having HR problems 935 00:43:05,100 --> 00:43:07,133 with what consent is and all that stuff, 936 00:43:07,133 --> 00:43:08,600 working with those people 937 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,533 so that we can progress the narratives around touch 938 00:43:11,533 --> 00:43:14,500 in a healthy way that promote consent. 939 00:43:18,033 --> 00:43:20,000 - We have our own little family in Toronto of people 940 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,100 that, you know, we're very comfortable with. 941 00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:23,300 We all get along. 942 00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:24,866 We see each other separately, together. 943 00:43:24,866 --> 00:43:26,766 The people that don't want that lifestyle, 944 00:43:26,766 --> 00:43:28,266 they know who we are, 945 00:43:28,266 --> 00:43:30,533 and they either stay away or they keep their distance. 946 00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:32,000 There's that. 947 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,400 But because we are so open with it, you really do attract 948 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,866 the people that are kind of ready and looking for that. 949 00:43:37,866 --> 00:43:39,866 And so, you know, I would say we're polyamorous 950 00:43:39,866 --> 00:43:41,733 in the sense of we're allowed to have 951 00:43:41,733 --> 00:43:43,933 multiple lovers and partners and friends. 952 00:43:43,933 --> 00:43:45,400 It's that. 953 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,533 But I would say we're even moving past that a little bit 954 00:43:47,533 --> 00:43:51,333 into more of kind of the family structure where, you know, 955 00:43:51,333 --> 00:43:53,600 people that stay around, that's who you're with. 956 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,100 You're not dating. 957 00:43:55,100 --> 00:43:57,066 I'm looking after me in doing that, 958 00:43:57,066 --> 00:43:58,666 but obviously, the people I care about, 959 00:43:58,666 --> 00:44:00,433 I'm gonna put their interests first. 960 00:44:00,433 --> 00:44:02,966 But really, my happiness at the end of the day, 961 00:44:02,966 --> 00:44:04,500 it's up to me to decide. 962 00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:07,566 And people look at our lifestyle 963 00:44:07,566 --> 00:44:10,766 and our sex life especially, something that is 964 00:44:10,766 --> 00:44:13,566 a lot more taboo that people don't talk about, 965 00:44:13,566 --> 00:44:15,133 especially having sex with your friends, 966 00:44:15,133 --> 00:44:16,366 because that's even worse. 967 00:44:16,366 --> 00:44:17,600 It's like, oh, you can have with strangers. 968 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,000 That's kind of the acceptable norm now. 969 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,633 But people see our Instagram posting 970 00:44:22,633 --> 00:44:24,900 with all these friends in towels. 971 00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:26,300 I mean, hopefully, it's coming through 972 00:44:26,300 --> 00:44:28,166 that our personalities as much as possible, 973 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:29,733 that it's like these are not just, 974 00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,833 oh, they're having sex (mumbles). 975 00:44:31,833 --> 00:44:33,700 No, these are real genuine people that, 976 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:35,133 yeah, are just having fun 977 00:44:35,133 --> 00:44:38,166 and sharing their journey with everyone else. 978 00:44:40,233 --> 00:44:42,666 (soft music) 77624

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