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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate,
yet equally important groups:
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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Jackson, come on in.
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- We need to talk.
- What's up, man?
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You make 8 million a year,
man, and you broke.
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Man, get out of here.
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You could believe me today,
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or you can believe the bank
when they come
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and take the keys to your house.
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You got to make changes, bro.
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And, oh, by the way,
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I'm keeping my 5%.
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You ain't getting that back.
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What's the problem?
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You really just asked me that?
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Turn around.
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What does Jimmy do?
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How about Tommy?
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How about Marco?
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I don't know, man.
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They just part of it.
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How many people do you think
you have on your payroll?
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Six.
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11.
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But it's time to be real.
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You ain't LeBron.
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You ain't KD.
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You damn sure ain't Ant-Man.
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You a grinder, a rotation player.
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You damn sure ain't large enough
to be having some entourage.
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You got a big damn heart,
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but you just turned 30.
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If you're lucky, you got three,
maybe four years left.
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So you're saying you want me
to fire some of my boys?
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Come on, Ted.
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No. That ain't cool.
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Want to hear about cool?
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I don't care about cool.
I care about you.
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I care about your family,
your kids, your future.
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That's what I'm thinking about.
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So guess what.
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Your agent ain't asking you
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to get rid of some of your boys.
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I'm asking you
to get rid of all of them.
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Every living one of them.
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That's not so easy.
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I grew up with them.
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When all of this was just a fantasy.
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I owe them.
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I owe them.
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You want me to do it for you?
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Our victim is wearing sweats,
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high-end running shoes, headphones on.
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Looks like he was on
some sort of jog or walk.
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- Who called this in?
- Two joggers.
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Victim was deceased
by the time they found him.
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No pulse.
They didn't see anybody else around.
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I mean, it was the crack of dawn,
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so it was pretty empty up here.
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Got a weapon in evidence?
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We're looking, but so far, no dice.
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It was some kind of knife.
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Two stabs to the chest. Deep.
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He also got a cut on his lip.
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Healed up, though. Doesn't feel related.
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Still got his Montblanc smartwatch,
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his cell phone, AirPods.
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Not a robbery.
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And they found a $20 bill in his pocket
with his ID.
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Theodore Hunter.
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69th Street, Upper West Side.
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Guy turned 52 on Tuesday.
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Hope he made the most of it.
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- Synced and corrected by synk -
- www.addic7ed.com -
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What do you got?
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We found a knife in a garbage can
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a few blocks away from the crime scene
covered in blood.
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Four-inch tactical blade,
folding, serrated,
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manufactured by Iron Forge.
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Right now the lab's trying
to confirm the DNA.
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But we have a murder weapon?
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Looks like it.
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And ARGUS caught the murder on video.
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Any luck on facial rec?
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Nope. Never saw his face.
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But check this out.
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OK, so you see people running through.
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And then here is our vic.
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Think it was a targeted attack?
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Any theories? Who was this guy?
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Well, back in the day, Ted Hunter was
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kind of a big deal All-American
football player up at Syracuse.
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He basically had
a cup of coffee in the pros,
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then became a sports agent.
He worked for ACG.
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They're one of the big three.
He was with them for years.
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Very successful, very controversial too.
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Had a lot of critics and was
known for playing hardball
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during contract negotiations.
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And poaching clients.
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Last year, he breaks off on his own,
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starts his own firm,
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says that the system is
bloated and corrupt.
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Any family?
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Two sons.
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Raised them on his own
after his wife died in a car accident.
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OK, well, talk to the boys,
see if they have any idea
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who might want to hurt their father.
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One hell of a family legacy.
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Yeah.
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Looks like you're up next, huh, Josh?
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Long as my knee holds up.
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MCL?
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Sprained it.
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Let me ask you, is anybody
coming to assist you guys?
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- Aunt? Uncle?
- No.
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No, as a matter of fact,
I'm gonna take some time off
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from school to come down here,
stay with Josh.
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Our father raised us to be men,
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so we can take care of ourselves.
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Well, look, guys, we need your help.
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We need any information you can give us
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about the last couple days
of your dad's life.
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Eric, you were up at Syracuse
when you got the news?
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Yes, sir.
I was out on the practice field
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when they came and got me.
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- And Josh, you were here?
- Yeah.
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I usually run with our dad
every morning in the park.
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Last few weeks,
obviously, I couldn't go.
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I was sleeping in this morning.
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And I woke up to cops
banging on the door.
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If I was there,
I could have done something.
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Don't do that to yourself, bro.
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Listen to your brother.
It's good advice.
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We have reason to believe that
this was a targeted attack.
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Targeted?
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Just that this wasn't
a random occurrence.
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We need your help.
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Can you guys think of any reason
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anybody wanted to hurt your father?
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No idea.
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Anything noteworthy recently
or out of character?
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Did he indicate that he might
have been arguing with someone?
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Or maybe someone threatened him?
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No, I talked to our father
every single day.
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Um, there was one thing.
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He came home late one night this week,
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and it looked like
he had been in a fight.
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Like a physical altercation?
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Yeah, I guess.
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His shirt was all messed up and torn.
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- What about his lip?
- Yeah.
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He had a... he had a big cut
on his bottom lip.
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He tell you how this happened?
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I mean, he just kind of played it off.
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Said it wasn't that big of a deal.
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It kind of looked like a big deal.
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What night was this?
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This man, Ted Hunter.
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He was dropped off here by an Uber
at 11:13 p.m. on Monday.
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And?
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And this morning, he got murdered.
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Sorry to hear that.
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He got into an altercation
at this nightclub,
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and we need to know who
he was fighting with and why.
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Can't help you, fellas.
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You can't or you won't?
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The minute I start talking
to the cops is the minute
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- the crowds stop showing up.
- Mm.
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Don't know if that's can't or won't,
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but it's one of them.
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All right, well, just got
a few more images to show you,
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and then we'll get out of your hair.
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Like this one.
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Budget Ballin'.
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For 30 bucks, your patrons
get all the liquor
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they can handle for an hour.
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That's a great deal.
Show him the other one.
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Oh, yeah... oh, this one I
would have loved back in the day.
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Liquid Courage,
a raffle for unlimited shots.
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Even better deal.
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Problem is, you can't do that.
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Any club promotion that
encourages risky drinking,
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$800 fine.
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Let me grab my wallet.
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I'll pay you in cash. With a tip.
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You misunderstood what I was saying.
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It's an $800 fine per offense.
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That means every drink
that you served to every patron
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every night you had
a promotion like that.
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Yeah, so we could just pull your CCTV
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and start counting them all up.
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It'll take a while.
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Come on, man. That's not right.
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It's the law.
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Or you could just tell us.
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Who was Ted Hunter having
an altercation with?
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OK, thank you.
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The blood on the knife
is a DNA match to Hunter.
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So it's definitely our murder weapon.
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Any other fingerprints on it?
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Unfortunately, no.
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There he is.
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- Jackson Dean?
- OK.
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NYPD.
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We need to talk to you about Ted Hunter.
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It hurts, man.
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He was a damn good agent.
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Damn good dude too.
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Really cared about his clients.
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How about everybody in your crew?
They like him too?
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Yeah, we heard one of your buddies
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got into a fight with him
a couple nights ago
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at Vortex 21.
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Is that right?
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I got to get back out there.
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No, you didn't answer my question.
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I wasn't at the club that night.
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Yeah, we know.
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But your crew, they were.
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Yeah, we got the physical description
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of a guy who tangled
with Hunter that night.
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5'9", Black, cornrows.
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Ring a bell?
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There is zero chance anyone in my circle
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had anything to do with that.
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So, fellas, have a nice day.
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No, no, no, no, that's not
how this works, Mr. Dean.
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You see, we're investigating
a murder here.
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Which means boxing us out
is not an option.
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Now, it'd be a real shame
if we had to have this conversation
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back at the precinct,
you know what I'm saying?
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Yeah, that'd mean
you'd miss tonight's game.
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There he is. Right there.
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Tommy Caro.
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NYPD.
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Hey!
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Hey!
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Whoa!
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Hey, do not move!
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Stay right where you are.
Get your hands up.
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Higher!
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He's got a gun.
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You even look at that piece,
you're a dead man.
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Walk backwards to me.
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- To my voice.
- OK.
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OK.
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I would have run too.
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Criminal possession
of a firearm, pretty serious.
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Minimum three and a half years.
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Well, that's what
they told me last time,
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- but I'm still here.
- Oh, OK.
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Well, thanks for the information.
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Maybe this time we'll push
for 10, given your history.
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Come on, lady.
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I heard Ted Hunter got
a few good licks in.
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Maybe even won the fight.
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I don't know. That's pretty impressive.
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How old is he? Like, 52?
263
00:11:24,284 --> 00:11:26,018
- Please.
- What?
264
00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:27,319
Thinking it might sting a little.
265
00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,421
I mean, it's embarrassing.
- Whoa, whoa.
266
00:11:29,422 --> 00:11:31,491
We threw a few punches. That's it.
267
00:11:31,591 --> 00:11:33,059
Ain't nobody got embarrassed.
268
00:11:33,159 --> 00:11:34,894
And I sure as hell had nothing to do
269
00:11:34,994 --> 00:11:36,295
with that man getting killed.
270
00:11:36,296 --> 00:11:37,964
OK.
271
00:11:38,098 --> 00:11:40,367
I will note that you denied it.
Fair is fair.
272
00:11:40,467 --> 00:11:41,868
Well, I'm telling the truth.
273
00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:50,777
A few days ago, Ted Hunter told Jackson
274
00:11:50,877 --> 00:11:52,544
he had to cut ties with his crew.
275
00:11:52,545 --> 00:11:54,179
So we went down to the club,
276
00:11:54,180 --> 00:11:56,116
laid down Jackson's credit card,
277
00:11:56,249 --> 00:11:59,551
and ordered up some magnums
of Don Julio 1942.
278
00:11:59,552 --> 00:12:01,788
A last hurrah kind of thing.
279
00:12:01,888 --> 00:12:04,524
But we didn't know Ted was tracking
280
00:12:04,624 --> 00:12:07,226
Jackson's spending in real time.
281
00:12:07,227 --> 00:12:11,363
Got an alert and came down
to the club to shut us down.
282
00:12:11,364 --> 00:12:12,799
And that didn't go over well?
283
00:12:12,932 --> 00:12:14,833
No. And we got into it.
284
00:12:14,834 --> 00:12:16,769
Sorted things out, you know?
285
00:12:16,770 --> 00:12:20,040
But that was the end of it, I swear.
286
00:12:21,808 --> 00:12:23,877
Where were you this morning?
287
00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:27,480
Hey.
288
00:12:27,580 --> 00:12:29,515
So Caro's alibi holds up.
289
00:12:29,516 --> 00:12:31,350
At the time of the murder,
he was losing his shirt
290
00:12:31,351 --> 00:12:34,653
at a casino 60 miles away
in the Hudson Valley.
291
00:12:34,654 --> 00:12:36,655
- OK.
- I got something here.
292
00:12:36,656 --> 00:12:38,290
So Ted Hunter, a few months ago,
293
00:12:38,291 --> 00:12:39,926
took out a protective order
on his driver,
294
00:12:40,060 --> 00:12:41,227
a guy named Ethan Matthews.
295
00:12:41,252 --> 00:12:42,485
For what?
296
00:12:42,510 --> 00:12:43,711
Well, Matthews wouldn't leave him alone.
297
00:12:43,797 --> 00:12:45,899
Kept showing up to his house,
to his office.
298
00:12:45,999 --> 00:12:48,867
Hunter says stop,
and Matthews threatened him.
299
00:12:48,868 --> 00:12:51,203
Sounds like a lead to me.
300
00:12:51,204 --> 00:12:52,806
Nice work.
301
00:12:55,342 --> 00:12:58,078
Ethan Matthews?
302
00:12:58,178 --> 00:12:59,378
NYPD.
303
00:12:59,379 --> 00:13:00,646
Oh, yeah.
304
00:13:00,647 --> 00:13:02,514
I know why you're here.
305
00:13:02,515 --> 00:13:03,816
Oh, yeah?
306
00:13:03,817 --> 00:13:05,985
I suppose that you admit
to telling Ted Hunter
307
00:13:06,010 --> 00:13:07,595
that you wanted him dead, then?
308
00:13:07,620 --> 00:13:09,388
"You destroyed my life.
309
00:13:09,389 --> 00:13:12,392
I won't stop until you feel the
same pain." Sound familiar?
310
00:13:12,525 --> 00:13:14,893
That's me.
311
00:13:14,894 --> 00:13:17,464
I don't even recognize
the man who sent that stuff.
312
00:13:20,500 --> 00:13:22,801
I didn't kill Ted Hunter.
313
00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:25,005
I owe the man my life.
314
00:13:25,138 --> 00:13:26,306
Oh, really? How's that?
315
00:13:26,406 --> 00:13:29,175
I was his personal driver for 13 years.
316
00:13:29,309 --> 00:13:31,577
Then he discovered my little secret...
317
00:13:31,578 --> 00:13:32,711
heroin.
318
00:13:32,712 --> 00:13:34,046
So he fired me.
319
00:13:34,047 --> 00:13:36,916
I lashed out,
but I'd never hurt the man.
320
00:13:37,050 --> 00:13:39,686
He was gonna hire me back
after six months
321
00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:42,988
if I went to rehab
and got clean, which I did.
322
00:13:42,989 --> 00:13:45,391
Hell, he paid for it.
323
00:13:45,392 --> 00:13:48,061
That's his car right there.
324
00:13:48,161 --> 00:13:50,930
I keep it spotless,
just waiting for the day
325
00:13:51,064 --> 00:13:53,832
I can pick him up and take him to work.
326
00:13:53,833 --> 00:13:55,335
It doesn't matter now.
327
00:13:58,838 --> 00:14:02,108
Tell me, his Android sync up with this?
328
00:14:04,511 --> 00:14:05,944
Hey.
329
00:14:05,945 --> 00:14:08,214
Finally got access
to Ted Hunter's texts.
330
00:14:08,314 --> 00:14:10,382
And there's a nasty exchange between him
331
00:14:10,383 --> 00:14:13,018
and his youngest son's
football coach, Brian Boggs.
332
00:14:13,019 --> 00:14:14,486
What were they beefing about?
333
00:14:14,487 --> 00:14:15,888
His son's knee.
334
00:14:15,889 --> 00:14:17,256
Ted thought he was fine.
335
00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:19,359
Took him to every top
orthopedist in New York City.
336
00:14:19,492 --> 00:14:21,760
Doctors couldn't find
anything wrong with him.
337
00:14:21,761 --> 00:14:24,229
No tear, nothing.
338
00:14:24,230 --> 00:14:25,664
Yeah, but the coach still
didn't want to play him.
339
00:14:25,665 --> 00:14:26,932
So Ted got pissed,
340
00:14:26,933 --> 00:14:28,400
and in the days
leading up to the murder,
341
00:14:28,401 --> 00:14:30,203
he texts the coach that he's
gonna come down to the school
342
00:14:30,303 --> 00:14:32,304
and speak to him face-to-face.
343
00:14:32,305 --> 00:14:34,874
Well, it's weird that
Josh didn't mention
344
00:14:34,974 --> 00:14:36,809
there was anything funky
going on with football,
345
00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:38,578
because it's like
that family's religion.
346
00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:41,715
So try to get to the bottom of that.
347
00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:44,983
Respectfully, I'm gonna trust
348
00:14:44,984 --> 00:14:46,553
that you and the family
can sort this out.
349
00:14:46,686 --> 00:14:47,886
This has nothing to do with me.
350
00:14:47,887 --> 00:14:50,789
Oh, we're not so certain
about that, Coach Boggs.
351
00:14:50,790 --> 00:14:51,991
The hell does that mean?
352
00:14:52,092 --> 00:14:53,359
It means you had some pretty sharp words
353
00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,061
for Ted Hunter in the days
before he was found
354
00:14:55,161 --> 00:14:56,995
with a knife in his chest.
355
00:14:56,996 --> 00:14:59,933
"You come after me,
I'll come after you"?
356
00:15:00,033 --> 00:15:01,968
Ted didn't like some of
the decisions you were making.
357
00:15:02,102 --> 00:15:03,335
So two days before the murder,
358
00:15:03,336 --> 00:15:05,739
he comes down here to sort it out.
359
00:15:05,872 --> 00:15:07,974
Seems like he was gunning for your job.
360
00:15:08,074 --> 00:15:09,509
Yeah. See, we're murder cops.
361
00:15:09,609 --> 00:15:12,611
So in our line of work,
that kind of smells like motive.
362
00:15:12,612 --> 00:15:14,413
You got to be kidding me.
363
00:15:15,548 --> 00:15:17,816
After the doctors cleared Josh,
364
00:15:17,817 --> 00:15:20,552
Ted was angry I wasn't playing him.
365
00:15:20,553 --> 00:15:22,921
He kept asking...
just didn't like the answer.
366
00:15:22,922 --> 00:15:24,490
Which was?
367
00:15:24,491 --> 00:15:26,792
I don't think Josh ever
got hurt in the first place.
368
00:15:26,793 --> 00:15:29,429
You're telling me Josh faked his injury?
369
00:15:29,529 --> 00:15:31,664
You think this was his way
of quitting the team?
370
00:15:31,765 --> 00:15:35,067
I think Josh resents the type
of athlete that his brother is.
371
00:15:35,068 --> 00:15:38,304
He resents the idea that he's
supposed to be the next one.
372
00:15:38,438 --> 00:15:40,139
I'm not sure anybody ever asked Josh
373
00:15:40,140 --> 00:15:41,474
if he really wanted to do this.
374
00:15:41,608 --> 00:15:43,743
All right, so you were
just buying him some time
375
00:15:43,843 --> 00:15:45,011
while he worked things out, huh?
376
00:15:45,145 --> 00:15:48,013
He knew what a thing it would be
for him to quit football,
377
00:15:48,014 --> 00:15:50,082
what it would mean to his father.
378
00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:52,451
So I... I played along.
379
00:15:52,452 --> 00:15:53,886
I pretended, you know,
380
00:15:53,887 --> 00:15:55,354
that I thought he was still hurt.
381
00:15:55,355 --> 00:15:57,656
Then his father came
down here spitting fire.
382
00:15:57,657 --> 00:15:59,224
And I had no choice.
383
00:15:59,225 --> 00:16:00,993
I had to tell him the truth...
384
00:16:00,994 --> 00:16:02,762
that his son wasn't hurt,
385
00:16:02,862 --> 00:16:05,531
that he just doesn't want
to play football.
386
00:16:09,669 --> 00:16:13,472
So you find the guy?
387
00:16:13,473 --> 00:16:15,008
We did, Josh.
388
00:16:15,141 --> 00:16:16,543
Take a look at this.
389
00:16:20,246 --> 00:16:22,348
That's you on Monday
cutting through the gym.
390
00:16:22,349 --> 00:16:24,483
It's a shortcut
to the parking lot, right?
391
00:16:24,484 --> 00:16:25,719
Uh-huh.
392
00:16:27,487 --> 00:16:29,855
We've all been there...
empty gym and a ball.
393
00:16:29,856 --> 00:16:31,024
Got to take some shots, right?
394
00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:32,624
I mean, that's just being a boy.
395
00:16:34,294 --> 00:16:36,595
Bro, what are you doing?
396
00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:41,066
I mean, some days,
my knee feels pretty good.
397
00:16:41,067 --> 00:16:43,469
Or you never injured it
in the first place.
398
00:16:43,470 --> 00:16:44,771
What? No, that's ridiculous.
399
00:16:44,871 --> 00:16:46,006
He's... he's clearly...
400
00:16:46,106 --> 00:16:47,606
Coach Boggs gave you
some space and some time
401
00:16:47,607 --> 00:16:50,943
to figure out
what you wanted to do, right?
402
00:16:50,944 --> 00:16:53,078
Whether you wanted to play ball or not.
403
00:16:53,079 --> 00:16:58,000
He told you to go hang out
in the library after school
404
00:16:58,218 --> 00:16:59,752
while practices were going on, right?
405
00:16:59,753 --> 00:17:00,953
Josh, what is this?
406
00:17:00,954 --> 00:17:02,721
Because Coach Boggs knew that you lied
407
00:17:02,722 --> 00:17:04,289
to your father about your injury,
408
00:17:04,290 --> 00:17:06,658
that you lied to your father
about going to practices too.
409
00:17:06,659 --> 00:17:08,027
No, that's not true.
410
00:17:08,028 --> 00:17:10,130
Josh, we recovered
411
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:12,332
your search history from the library.
412
00:17:12,432 --> 00:17:14,701
And we saw that you purchased
a 4-inch serrated blade,
413
00:17:14,801 --> 00:17:16,101
just like this one that was found
414
00:17:16,102 --> 00:17:19,873
near the murder scene
covered in your father's blood.
415
00:17:19,973 --> 00:17:21,640
Oh, my God.
416
00:17:21,641 --> 00:17:23,075
On your feet, kid.
417
00:17:23,076 --> 00:17:24,611
Come on, man.
418
00:17:24,711 --> 00:17:25,779
Come on.
419
00:17:27,647 --> 00:17:28,814
Hands behind your back.
420
00:17:28,815 --> 00:17:30,283
Josh.
421
00:17:30,417 --> 00:17:35,020
You are under arrest for the murder
422
00:17:35,021 --> 00:17:37,489
of your father, Ted Hunter.
423
00:17:37,490 --> 00:17:39,191
Josh, what are they talking about?
424
00:17:39,192 --> 00:17:41,227
Officers, hold on. Wait.
425
00:17:50,603 --> 00:17:52,414
How do you feel about ordering
426
00:17:52,439 --> 00:17:53,939
from that dumpling place this evening?
427
00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:56,308
I actually brought food from home.
428
00:17:56,309 --> 00:17:58,777
I'm trying to save
a little money right now.
429
00:17:58,778 --> 00:18:01,681
- You OK?
- Yeah.
430
00:18:01,781 --> 00:18:03,682
It's dumb.
431
00:18:03,683 --> 00:18:07,152
I have this crazy uncle.
He's the worst with money.
432
00:18:07,153 --> 00:18:11,657
I mean, I made budgets.
I have taught him Excel.
433
00:18:11,658 --> 00:18:13,360
Nothing takes.
434
00:18:13,460 --> 00:18:16,929
So depending on the month,
we all have to pay his rent.
435
00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:18,264
And this month?
436
00:18:23,503 --> 00:18:24,804
What?
437
00:18:28,541 --> 00:18:31,778
I went to some Al-Anon meetings
438
00:18:31,878 --> 00:18:35,280
when my brother was doing
terrible things to himself, taking drugs.
439
00:18:35,281 --> 00:18:37,249
I was banging my head into the wall.
440
00:18:37,250 --> 00:18:38,785
They have this thing.
441
00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:41,621
They call it the three C's.
442
00:18:41,721 --> 00:18:42,988
You didn't cause it.
443
00:18:42,989 --> 00:18:44,623
You can't control it.
444
00:18:44,624 --> 00:18:47,292
You can't cure it.
445
00:18:47,293 --> 00:18:50,095
You know, we try and help
the people we love,
446
00:18:50,096 --> 00:18:52,931
but at some point,
you just draw the line.
447
00:18:52,932 --> 00:18:55,268
You walk away.
448
00:18:55,368 --> 00:18:57,236
I've been getting a lot
of calls about this one.
449
00:18:57,237 --> 00:18:58,837
About Josh Hunter?
450
00:18:58,838 --> 00:19:00,606
No, about Eric Hunter.
451
00:19:00,607 --> 00:19:02,641
Well, Eric's got nothing to do with it.
452
00:19:02,642 --> 00:19:04,643
I know, but when a kid's
going high in the draft,
453
00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:06,646
a lot of powerful people
get nervous, so...
454
00:19:06,746 --> 00:19:09,281
Like Sam said,
we have no reason to believe
455
00:19:09,282 --> 00:19:10,449
that Eric is involved.
456
00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:11,785
OK, good.
457
00:19:11,885 --> 00:19:13,419
So what do we know?
458
00:19:13,420 --> 00:19:15,187
What really happened?
459
00:19:15,188 --> 00:19:18,525
Well, it's still a work in progress,
460
00:19:18,625 --> 00:19:22,294
but largely circumstantial right now.
461
00:19:22,295 --> 00:19:25,631
But here's what we can prove.
462
00:19:25,632 --> 00:19:29,501
Josh bought a knife identical
to the murder weapon.
463
00:19:29,502 --> 00:19:31,670
There is ARGUS footage
of the actual stabbing.
464
00:19:31,671 --> 00:19:33,906
Killer appears to have the same
height and build as Josh.
465
00:19:33,907 --> 00:19:37,143
And when asked where he was
at the time of the murder,
466
00:19:37,243 --> 00:19:40,213
Josh lied to police, said he was home.
467
00:19:42,215 --> 00:19:43,950
You seem to have left out motive.
468
00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:45,451
Ah.
469
00:19:45,452 --> 00:19:47,253
You noticed. Uh, yeah.
470
00:19:47,354 --> 00:19:48,421
Hopefully the jury will be...
471
00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:51,590
Cases like this one can be tricky,
even with a tidal wave of evidence.
472
00:19:51,591 --> 00:19:54,827
Juries tend to take their cue
from surviving family,
473
00:19:54,828 --> 00:19:57,163
almost as much
as from the evidence itself.
474
00:19:57,263 --> 00:19:59,699
They'll be looking to the big brother
to see where he comes down on this.
475
00:19:59,799 --> 00:20:01,600
Does he want justice for his father,
476
00:20:01,601 --> 00:20:03,603
or does he want to see
his little brother walk free?
477
00:20:08,908 --> 00:20:10,076
Wait, I'm sorry.
478
00:20:10,176 --> 00:20:12,445
So you guys are asking me
to do what exactly?
479
00:20:12,545 --> 00:20:16,149
So we need you
to help the jury understand
480
00:20:16,249 --> 00:20:18,351
that your father was a good man...
481
00:20:18,451 --> 00:20:20,486
that he loved his family,
that you loved him,
482
00:20:20,487 --> 00:20:23,956
and that he will be deeply missed.
483
00:20:23,957 --> 00:20:28,714
So you want me to testify
against my brother?
484
00:20:28,995 --> 00:20:32,431
Testify in support of your father.
485
00:20:32,432 --> 00:20:35,634
We know how complicated
this is for you, Eric,
486
00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:38,938
but we really need your help.
487
00:20:40,774 --> 00:20:43,275
No.
488
00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,211
No, I won't turn my back on my brother.
489
00:20:45,311 --> 00:20:47,179
Your brother murdered your father.
490
00:20:47,180 --> 00:20:49,682
He hunted him down,
he laid in wait for him,
491
00:20:49,683 --> 00:20:51,985
and he stabbed a knife
into his heart twice.
492
00:20:52,085 --> 00:20:53,919
I said I won't do it.
493
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,987
All right?
494
00:20:54,988 --> 00:20:56,822
So if you don't mind.
495
00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:08,233
The defense is trying to suppress
Josh's statement to the police.
496
00:21:08,234 --> 00:21:09,969
On what basis?
497
00:21:12,605 --> 00:21:14,340
It's inadmissible hearsay.
498
00:21:14,341 --> 00:21:17,276
But it's not being offered
for the truth of the matter asserted.
499
00:21:17,277 --> 00:21:20,213
It's being offered to show
consciousness of guilt.
500
00:21:20,313 --> 00:21:22,081
He told the police he was at home
501
00:21:22,082 --> 00:21:24,583
nursing a knee injury in order
to establish a false alibi.
502
00:21:24,584 --> 00:21:27,720
My client's statement to the police
is legally unreliable.
503
00:21:27,721 --> 00:21:28,721
Why is that?
504
00:21:28,722 --> 00:21:30,122
It was given under extreme duress.
505
00:21:30,123 --> 00:21:31,491
There is no evidence of coercion.
506
00:21:31,591 --> 00:21:32,825
There doesn't need to be.
507
00:21:32,826 --> 00:21:35,928
My client is 17 years old.
He is a child.
508
00:21:35,929 --> 00:21:37,796
He was in a very fragile state.
509
00:21:37,797 --> 00:21:39,531
He had just learned
his father was killed.
510
00:21:39,532 --> 00:21:40,967
He wasn't thinking clearly.
511
00:21:41,067 --> 00:21:44,737
And the prosecutors want
to use this moment of confusion
512
00:21:44,738 --> 00:21:46,271
to bury him.
513
00:21:46,272 --> 00:21:48,441
They're basing their whole damn
case on this one misstatement,
514
00:21:48,541 --> 00:21:51,678
which, by the way, was given
without an adult present,
515
00:21:51,778 --> 00:21:53,912
except for Josh's 20-year-old brother,
516
00:21:53,913 --> 00:21:55,280
who was also grieving.
517
00:21:55,281 --> 00:21:57,383
No, the defendant was
not being interrogated.
518
00:21:57,384 --> 00:21:59,218
He didn't have the right
to an interested adult.
519
00:21:59,219 --> 00:22:00,686
He was also not under arrest.
520
00:22:00,687 --> 00:22:02,921
He talked with the police
freely and voluntarily.
521
00:22:02,922 --> 00:22:04,256
Enough.
522
00:22:04,257 --> 00:22:06,792
Looking at the totality
of the circumstances,
523
00:22:06,793 --> 00:22:10,029
the declarant's age, his state of mind,
524
00:22:10,030 --> 00:22:11,463
the lack of counsel,
525
00:22:11,464 --> 00:22:12,765
I'm granting the motion.
526
00:22:12,766 --> 00:22:14,200
Your Honor, I would urge you...
527
00:22:14,300 --> 00:22:15,735
It's over, Mr. Price.
528
00:22:15,835 --> 00:22:18,203
His statement to the police
regarding his whereabouts
529
00:22:18,204 --> 00:22:20,140
the day of the murder is out.
530
00:22:25,311 --> 00:22:26,612
Look, we're still fine.
531
00:22:26,613 --> 00:22:27,946
We've got video of the crime.
532
00:22:27,947 --> 00:22:30,717
Which is grainy and doesn't
reveal the killer's face.
533
00:22:30,817 --> 00:22:32,886
We can prove Josh bought the knife.
534
00:22:32,986 --> 00:22:35,221
How many of those knives
were sold last year?
535
00:22:35,321 --> 00:22:38,223
- 5,703.
- Yeah.
536
00:22:38,224 --> 00:22:41,294
We need a theory of the case,
537
00:22:41,394 --> 00:22:44,263
a narrative for the jury to buy into.
538
00:22:44,264 --> 00:22:45,665
Motive.
539
00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:49,101
Other than the defendant,
who won't talk,
540
00:22:49,102 --> 00:22:50,969
and the victim, who can't,
541
00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:52,805
there is only one other person
who can help us
542
00:22:52,806 --> 00:22:54,506
make sense of this... Eric Hunter.
543
00:22:54,507 --> 00:22:55,709
Eric was very clear.
544
00:22:55,809 --> 00:22:57,609
He's not interested in working with us.
545
00:22:57,610 --> 00:22:59,311
I get that he is in a tight spot,
546
00:22:59,312 --> 00:23:00,846
but at the end of the day,
547
00:23:00,847 --> 00:23:02,115
wouldn't you want justice
for your father?
548
00:23:02,191 --> 00:23:03,425
Yeah.
549
00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:06,453
A father that Eric idolized
by all accounts.
550
00:23:06,553 --> 00:23:08,588
Teenagers who murder their parents
551
00:23:08,688 --> 00:23:10,289
basically fall into two camps.
552
00:23:10,290 --> 00:23:11,890
They are mentally ill,
which doesn't appear
553
00:23:11,891 --> 00:23:13,759
to be the case here,
or they're rebelling
554
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:14,894
against parental control, all right?
555
00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:18,330
Rules about dating, curfews, money.
556
00:23:18,331 --> 00:23:20,366
I spoke with Josh's friends, teachers.
557
00:23:20,367 --> 00:23:21,767
He seemed pretty normal.
558
00:23:21,768 --> 00:23:23,602
He spent most of his time
playing sports.
559
00:23:23,603 --> 00:23:25,838
Have Computer Crimes take
another look at his phone,
560
00:23:25,839 --> 00:23:27,941
his computer, see what websites
561
00:23:28,041 --> 00:23:31,210
he was visiting,
who he was communicating with,
562
00:23:31,211 --> 00:23:33,046
sharing his feelings with.
563
00:23:39,419 --> 00:23:43,322
We just got encrypted messages
exchanged between Josh Hunter
564
00:23:43,323 --> 00:23:44,657
and his therapist, covering a period
565
00:23:44,758 --> 00:23:47,526
of seven months prior to the murder.
566
00:23:47,527 --> 00:23:49,662
I'm sure that's helpful,
but conversations
567
00:23:49,763 --> 00:23:51,363
between a defendant and his therapist
568
00:23:51,364 --> 00:23:52,631
are obviously privileged.
569
00:23:52,632 --> 00:23:55,000
Yeah, if the therapist is a human being.
570
00:23:55,001 --> 00:23:56,302
Pardon me?
571
00:23:56,403 --> 00:24:00,173
Josh's therapist was
an AI-generated chatbot.
572
00:24:00,273 --> 00:24:01,306
What?
573
00:24:02,742 --> 00:24:05,377
So who was on the other end
of the phone, so to speak?
574
00:24:05,378 --> 00:24:07,946
No one. An algorithm.
575
00:24:07,947 --> 00:24:10,416
Was anyone monitoring the conversation?
576
00:24:10,417 --> 00:24:12,918
The advice this therapist
was doling out?
577
00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:14,319
No.
578
00:24:16,456 --> 00:24:18,491
That is terrifying.
579
00:24:21,728 --> 00:24:23,062
It's more common than you might think.
580
00:24:23,063 --> 00:24:26,031
Young people are more
comfortable talking to a screen
581
00:24:26,032 --> 00:24:27,333
than a human being.
582
00:24:27,334 --> 00:24:28,934
This is uncharted territory,
583
00:24:28,935 --> 00:24:31,370
but if Josh was talking to a machine,
584
00:24:31,371 --> 00:24:33,672
then in my mind, that's fair game.
585
00:24:33,673 --> 00:24:35,709
What did the messages say?
586
00:24:35,809 --> 00:24:37,610
There are thousands of them.
We're still reading.
587
00:24:37,711 --> 00:24:39,813
But so far, we can tell
588
00:24:39,913 --> 00:24:42,247
that Josh was in a very dark place.
589
00:24:42,248 --> 00:24:44,016
He began to despise his father.
590
00:24:44,017 --> 00:24:46,452
Apparently, his father was
very controlling
591
00:24:46,453 --> 00:24:48,921
and forced him into
an extreme exercise regimen.
592
00:24:48,922 --> 00:24:52,257
I'm talking extreme...
like, hard to believe.
593
00:24:52,258 --> 00:24:54,360
The goal, of course, was to mold him
594
00:24:54,361 --> 00:24:55,562
into an elite athlete.
595
00:24:55,662 --> 00:24:57,963
He also kept him on a very strict diet.
596
00:24:57,964 --> 00:25:00,799
No carbs, no sugar, no processed food.
597
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,602
He found a Snickers
in his backpack once.
598
00:25:02,702 --> 00:25:05,437
He made him run home
from practice, 10 miles.
599
00:25:05,438 --> 00:25:07,506
"He's gonna run me to death. Literally.
600
00:25:07,507 --> 00:25:10,310
I hate him. It's him or me."
601
00:25:12,612 --> 00:25:15,514
We have a disciplinarian father
602
00:25:15,515 --> 00:25:17,683
putting his son through an extreme
603
00:25:17,684 --> 00:25:19,719
exercise and nutritional regimen,
604
00:25:19,819 --> 00:25:21,920
which worked wonders on Eric,
605
00:25:21,921 --> 00:25:24,957
turned him into an NFL prospect.
606
00:25:24,958 --> 00:25:26,291
But it turned Josh...
607
00:25:26,292 --> 00:25:29,194
Into a murderer.
608
00:25:29,195 --> 00:25:32,032
Sure sounds like motive to me.
609
00:25:37,586 --> 00:25:39,881
These text conversations are protected
610
00:25:39,906 --> 00:25:41,507
by patient-therapist privilege,
Your Honor.
611
00:25:41,532 --> 00:25:43,876
That is ridiculous and bizarre.
612
00:25:43,877 --> 00:25:46,879
The defendant was communicating
with an AI generated chatbot,
613
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,247
not a therapist.
614
00:25:48,248 --> 00:25:50,683
The privilege was designed
to encourage people to get help.
615
00:25:50,684 --> 00:25:52,235
That's exactly what Josh did.
616
00:25:52,260 --> 00:25:53,762
He thought he was talking
to a real therapist.
617
00:25:53,787 --> 00:25:55,320
Well, the law is clear.
618
00:25:55,321 --> 00:25:57,085
Privilege applies only to registered,
619
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:59,067
licensed mental health professionals.
620
00:25:59,092 --> 00:26:01,528
Courts have found
that attorney-client privilege
621
00:26:01,628 --> 00:26:03,262
applies to unlicensed lawyers.
622
00:26:03,263 --> 00:26:06,066
The same standard should apply
to unlicensed therapists.
623
00:26:06,166 --> 00:26:09,935
It's immaterial if this thing
is licensed or unlicensed.
624
00:26:09,936 --> 00:26:12,237
It's not a therapist in the first place.
625
00:26:12,238 --> 00:26:14,573
AI-generated therapy
is an emerging practice.
626
00:26:14,574 --> 00:26:16,542
The law goes hand in hand
with human progress.
627
00:26:16,543 --> 00:26:17,943
But that has nothing to do
628
00:26:17,944 --> 00:26:19,812
with the current state of the law.
629
00:26:19,813 --> 00:26:21,848
If Mr. Winters feels strongly
about this issue,
630
00:26:21,948 --> 00:26:23,649
he should go to Albany and lobby
631
00:26:23,650 --> 00:26:25,751
for legislation allowing machines
632
00:26:25,752 --> 00:26:27,354
to become licensed therapists.
633
00:26:27,379 --> 00:26:29,597
Short of that, privilege does not apply,
634
00:26:29,622 --> 00:26:31,690
which means this is admissible evidence
635
00:26:31,691 --> 00:26:34,760
vital to the People's case.
636
00:26:34,761 --> 00:26:38,130
I agree with the People.
637
00:26:38,131 --> 00:26:39,833
I'm not extending privilege
to what amounts
638
00:26:39,966 --> 00:26:43,536
to a computer program
simulating human conversation.
639
00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:45,038
Motion denied.
640
00:26:45,138 --> 00:26:46,306
Thank you, Your Honor.
641
00:26:47,807 --> 00:26:49,775
In reviewing the messages
642
00:26:49,776 --> 00:26:53,112
that Josh sent his so-called therapist,
643
00:26:53,113 --> 00:26:56,348
could you describe the general tone?
644
00:26:56,349 --> 00:26:58,217
Angry. Resentful.
645
00:26:58,218 --> 00:26:59,785
Angry at whom?
646
00:26:59,786 --> 00:27:01,721
His father, Ted Hunter.
647
00:27:01,821 --> 00:27:03,323
Resentful about what?
648
00:27:03,423 --> 00:27:04,757
Football, basically.
649
00:27:04,758 --> 00:27:06,860
The training regimen
that his father implemented.
650
00:27:11,831 --> 00:27:14,434
Are these the defendant's words?
651
00:27:14,534 --> 00:27:15,668
Yes, they are.
652
00:27:15,669 --> 00:27:17,737
He wrote that March 12th.
653
00:27:17,837 --> 00:27:20,773
And later that same day,
did he make an online purchase?
654
00:27:20,774 --> 00:27:23,043
He spent $249
655
00:27:23,143 --> 00:27:26,478
on a tactical, serrated, folding blade
656
00:27:26,479 --> 00:27:28,681
manufactured by Iron Forge.
657
00:27:28,682 --> 00:27:30,315
He had that sent to his home.
658
00:27:30,316 --> 00:27:31,750
Who paid for it?
659
00:27:31,751 --> 00:27:33,887
He used his father's credit card.
660
00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:39,625
I'm showing you what's been
marked as Exhibit 9B.
661
00:27:39,626 --> 00:27:40,859
Have you seen this knife before?
662
00:27:40,860 --> 00:27:43,897
I have. We found that in a trash can
near the murder scene.
663
00:27:43,997 --> 00:27:45,531
It was coated in blood.
664
00:27:45,532 --> 00:27:47,900
And DNA test results confirmed
665
00:27:47,901 --> 00:27:50,369
that is indeed the victim's blood.
666
00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:52,338
Could you describe this knife?
667
00:27:52,339 --> 00:27:56,475
It is a serrated,
folding, tactical blade
668
00:27:56,476 --> 00:27:58,310
manufactured by Iron Forge.
669
00:27:58,311 --> 00:28:00,279
Thank you, Detective.
670
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,115
Your Honor, may I?
671
00:28:05,318 --> 00:28:07,654
Can you read the message
that Josh sent to his therapist
672
00:28:07,754 --> 00:28:09,521
on January 22nd?
673
00:28:09,522 --> 00:28:10,789
"Couldn't finish sled sprints,
674
00:28:10,790 --> 00:28:14,027
"so Dad made me do
200 Nordics on the SledTred.
675
00:28:14,127 --> 00:28:17,696
Barfed up my protein shake,
so Dad made me do 100 more."
676
00:28:17,697 --> 00:28:20,466
So it's clear that
the defendant was forced
677
00:28:20,467 --> 00:28:23,135
to exercise until he vomited.
678
00:28:23,136 --> 00:28:26,538
His punishment for vomiting is
that he had to exercise more.
679
00:28:26,539 --> 00:28:27,940
Do I have that right?
680
00:28:27,941 --> 00:28:29,174
It would appear so.
681
00:28:29,175 --> 00:28:31,134
How did Josh's therapist respond?
682
00:28:31,159 --> 00:28:33,662
- Objection.
- Overruled.
683
00:28:36,583 --> 00:28:39,051
"Josh, what you're describing
is deliberately aggressive,
684
00:28:39,052 --> 00:28:42,588
"violent behavior causing bodily harm.
685
00:28:42,589 --> 00:28:44,857
The definition of physical abuse."
686
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,961
"I believe your life is in danger."
687
00:28:48,962 --> 00:28:50,847
So it was the opinion
of Josh's therapist...
688
00:28:50,872 --> 00:28:51,906
Objection.
689
00:28:51,931 --> 00:28:55,134
Your Honor,
in what world are the musings
690
00:28:55,135 --> 00:28:58,537
of some algorithm remotely
relevant in this court?
691
00:28:58,538 --> 00:29:01,073
It is relevant to support
my client's assertion
692
00:29:01,074 --> 00:29:02,708
of self-defense.
693
00:29:02,709 --> 00:29:04,109
Which is the first we're hearing
694
00:29:04,110 --> 00:29:07,046
anything related
to self-defense, Your Honor.
695
00:29:07,047 --> 00:29:09,149
I'll see counsel in chambers.
696
00:29:12,218 --> 00:29:16,022
Your Honor, the facts do not support
a claim of self-defense.
697
00:29:16,047 --> 00:29:17,932
The defendant hunted down the victim.
698
00:29:17,957 --> 00:29:19,058
He was never in danger.
699
00:29:19,059 --> 00:29:20,593
My client thought he was in danger.
700
00:29:20,618 --> 00:29:22,003
No, that is not enough.
701
00:29:22,028 --> 00:29:23,897
The defense would have to prove
that a reasonable person
702
00:29:23,973 --> 00:29:25,874
in the same situation
would do the same thing.
703
00:29:25,899 --> 00:29:28,367
Not when the accused is suffering
704
00:29:28,368 --> 00:29:29,803
from battered child syndrome.
705
00:29:29,903 --> 00:29:32,137
Which isn't a recognized
defense in New York.
706
00:29:32,138 --> 00:29:33,373
7.06.
707
00:29:33,506 --> 00:29:34,774
Battered woman syndrome?
708
00:29:34,874 --> 00:29:36,242
That's what we call it colloquially,
709
00:29:36,343 --> 00:29:39,044
but actually it's called
the abused person syndrome,
710
00:29:39,045 --> 00:29:41,214
which covers people who are
related by consanguinity,
711
00:29:41,314 --> 00:29:42,314
blood relatives.
712
00:29:42,315 --> 00:29:45,150
The statute is
clearly intended to protect
713
00:29:45,151 --> 00:29:47,721
adult blood relatives and women.
714
00:29:47,821 --> 00:29:51,423
Except it doesn't say that explicitly.
715
00:29:51,424 --> 00:29:53,225
I'm allowing it.
716
00:29:53,226 --> 00:29:55,594
It's up to the jury to decide
whether the defendant
717
00:29:55,595 --> 00:29:59,299
reasonably believed
his life was in danger or not.
718
00:30:06,773 --> 00:30:08,340
What did you conclude, Doctor Morley,
719
00:30:08,341 --> 00:30:10,509
from your forensic evaluation
of my client?
720
00:30:10,510 --> 00:30:13,545
I believe that Josh suffers
from battered child syndrome
721
00:30:13,546 --> 00:30:15,681
as a result of verbal degradation,
722
00:30:15,682 --> 00:30:18,084
extreme discipline,
and physical punishment.
723
00:30:18,184 --> 00:30:19,918
Josh's father may have believed
724
00:30:19,919 --> 00:30:21,887
he was pursuing structure
and discipline,
725
00:30:21,888 --> 00:30:23,789
but it crossed the line into abuse.
726
00:30:23,790 --> 00:30:25,859
And it lasted for years,
727
00:30:25,959 --> 00:30:28,293
essentially from the onset
of Josh's pubescence
728
00:30:28,294 --> 00:30:30,163
until the day of his father's death.
729
00:30:30,263 --> 00:30:34,066
How did that impact Josh's
ability to perceive danger?
730
00:30:34,067 --> 00:30:36,101
He developed chronic hypervigilance.
731
00:30:36,102 --> 00:30:39,005
He was always bracing
for more punishment.
732
00:30:40,006 --> 00:30:41,674
He lived in fear.
733
00:30:41,675 --> 00:30:43,510
Worse than that, arguably.
734
00:30:43,610 --> 00:30:46,545
Kill or be killed.
735
00:30:46,546 --> 00:30:48,681
That's more like it.
736
00:30:48,682 --> 00:30:50,282
Thank you, Doctor Morley.
737
00:30:50,283 --> 00:30:51,850
Cross-examination.
738
00:30:51,851 --> 00:30:53,837
Did Josh tell you
that his father beat him?
739
00:30:53,862 --> 00:30:54,896
No.
740
00:30:54,921 --> 00:30:56,055
Threatened his life?
741
00:30:56,056 --> 00:30:57,389
No.
742
00:30:57,390 --> 00:31:01,493
So Josh Hunter's perception
that his life was in danger
743
00:31:01,494 --> 00:31:03,929
at the moment that he elected
744
00:31:03,930 --> 00:31:06,465
to plunge a knife
into his father's heart,
745
00:31:06,466 --> 00:31:10,536
this perception was not
genuine or reasonable, was it?
746
00:31:10,537 --> 00:31:14,140
I can only tell you
what I observed, Mr. Price,
747
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,508
which is that Josh believed
on that morning
748
00:31:16,509 --> 00:31:20,379
that his life, his survival,
was in jeopardy.
749
00:31:20,380 --> 00:31:22,915
Only Josh has seen what he has seen,
750
00:31:22,916 --> 00:31:26,019
feared what he has feared
in the way that he has feared it.
751
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:30,156
You are free to call
his actions unreasonable.
752
00:31:30,256 --> 00:31:32,725
I suppose your job requires it.
753
00:31:32,726 --> 00:31:35,328
I'm just not comfortable doing that.
754
00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:39,465
You loved your father, didn't you?
755
00:31:39,466 --> 00:31:41,033
Yes.
756
00:31:41,034 --> 00:31:43,535
He... he was my hero.
757
00:31:43,536 --> 00:31:45,138
And you killed him?
758
00:31:48,775 --> 00:31:50,210
Yeah.
759
00:31:52,579 --> 00:31:56,482
I guess I just snapped.
760
00:31:56,483 --> 00:32:00,653
I can't explain it,
but I couldn't take it anymore.
761
00:32:00,754 --> 00:32:02,422
You ever been to McDonald's, Josh?
762
00:32:05,225 --> 00:32:08,293
Uh, no.
763
00:32:08,294 --> 00:32:10,896
Ever tried movie theater popcorn?
764
00:32:10,897 --> 00:32:11,930
No.
765
00:32:11,931 --> 00:32:12,998
A sip of beer?
766
00:32:12,999 --> 00:32:15,634
No.
767
00:32:15,635 --> 00:32:18,771
You go to prom last year?
768
00:32:18,772 --> 00:32:22,342
Um, my dad didn't want me to go.
769
00:32:22,442 --> 00:32:25,344
Shortly before your dad's death,
770
00:32:25,345 --> 00:32:27,312
you more or less quit the team.
771
00:32:27,313 --> 00:32:28,348
Yeah.
772
00:32:28,448 --> 00:32:31,384
Uh, I told everybody
that my knee was injured.
773
00:32:31,484 --> 00:32:33,552
Did your dad find out?
774
00:32:33,553 --> 00:32:34,553
Yeah.
775
00:32:34,554 --> 00:32:35,754
What did he do?
776
00:32:35,755 --> 00:32:38,757
He woke me up at 2:00 a.m.
777
00:32:38,758 --> 00:32:41,960
and we drove out to the football field.
778
00:32:41,961 --> 00:32:45,230
Did this thing called 50-40s,
779
00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:47,767
where you sprint
to the 40-yard line and back
780
00:32:47,867 --> 00:32:51,738
25 times on a timer.
781
00:32:53,206 --> 00:32:54,707
Did you make it?
782
00:32:54,708 --> 00:32:56,309
No.
783
00:32:56,652 --> 00:33:01,614
So he made me do it again
until I threw up.
784
00:33:01,748 --> 00:33:05,218
He bring you water or anything?
785
00:33:06,786 --> 00:33:08,955
No.
786
00:33:09,055 --> 00:33:13,726
He said, "This is just the beginning.
787
00:33:13,727 --> 00:33:15,861
I'm gonna turn you into a man."
788
00:33:15,862 --> 00:33:17,096
Whatever it took.
789
00:33:17,097 --> 00:33:18,464
Did that scare you?
790
00:33:18,465 --> 00:33:22,368
I've never been so afraid
in my entire life.
791
00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:25,938
I thought he was gonna kill me.
792
00:33:25,939 --> 00:33:27,606
Thank you.
793
00:33:27,607 --> 00:33:28,640
Nothing further.
794
00:33:31,845 --> 00:33:34,413
Josh, did you ever tell your father
795
00:33:34,414 --> 00:33:38,584
that you didn't want to be
an elite football player?
796
00:33:38,585 --> 00:33:39,885
No.
797
00:33:39,886 --> 00:33:41,587
God, no.
798
00:33:41,588 --> 00:33:45,157
So you have no way of knowing
how he would have responded.
799
00:33:45,158 --> 00:33:47,726
I know exactly how
he would have responded.
800
00:33:47,727 --> 00:33:50,696
He would have called me a sissy
and then tortured me
801
00:33:50,697 --> 00:33:53,032
with some sort of crazy workout.
802
00:33:53,033 --> 00:33:56,068
Did you ever raise
any of your fears or concerns
803
00:33:56,069 --> 00:33:59,238
with your teachers at school?
804
00:33:59,239 --> 00:34:00,973
- No.
- Your coaches?
805
00:34:00,974 --> 00:34:03,042
- Your... your teammates?
- No.
806
00:34:03,043 --> 00:34:05,144
Did you ever call the police?
807
00:34:05,145 --> 00:34:08,481
No. But I told my brother, Eric.
808
00:34:08,581 --> 00:34:09,882
Told him what?
809
00:34:09,883 --> 00:34:12,418
I told him that
my dad was gonna kill me.
810
00:34:12,419 --> 00:34:16,789
And he just... he told me to suck it up.
811
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:18,758
Be a man.
812
00:34:22,195 --> 00:34:24,631
I wish I was tougher, man.
813
00:34:26,966 --> 00:34:28,635
But I'm not.
814
00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:32,538
I'm not you, Eric.
815
00:34:36,109 --> 00:34:40,579
I'm... so sorry.
816
00:34:44,684 --> 00:34:46,985
I'm so sorry.
817
00:34:54,661 --> 00:34:56,905
You think the jury might actually find
818
00:34:56,930 --> 00:34:58,530
that Josh acted in self-defense?
819
00:34:58,531 --> 00:35:00,899
I think there is enough of a chance
820
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:04,003
that we should consider
offering him the opportunity
821
00:35:04,004 --> 00:35:05,939
to plead out manslaughter.
822
00:35:06,072 --> 00:35:08,207
After hearing that testimony
in the courtroom,
823
00:35:08,208 --> 00:35:10,576
I think it might be
the right ethical choice too.
824
00:35:10,577 --> 00:35:12,544
No.
825
00:35:12,545 --> 00:35:13,613
No.
826
00:35:13,713 --> 00:35:16,383
You don't get to stalk down
a human being
827
00:35:16,516 --> 00:35:20,886
and put a knife in their heart
because you're too weak
828
00:35:20,887 --> 00:35:23,288
to handle what the world served you.
829
00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:25,257
By all accounts,
Eric Hunter went through
830
00:35:25,258 --> 00:35:27,527
exactly the same thing as Josh did.
831
00:35:27,627 --> 00:35:30,030
And Eric appears to be
well-adjusted, thriving even,
832
00:35:30,163 --> 00:35:31,497
at least before this.
833
00:35:31,498 --> 00:35:32,998
Well, they're not cookie cutters, Nolan.
834
00:35:32,999 --> 00:35:34,400
We're all built differently.
835
00:35:34,401 --> 00:35:36,703
Which is, again,
not a justification for murder.
836
00:35:36,803 --> 00:35:40,105
My father was...
837
00:35:40,106 --> 00:35:43,375
not exactly warm and fuzzy.
838
00:35:43,376 --> 00:35:48,147
He was cold and unforgiving.
839
00:35:48,148 --> 00:35:49,381
There was not a lot of affection.
840
00:35:49,382 --> 00:35:51,984
He shook my hand
once a year on my birthday.
841
00:35:51,985 --> 00:35:55,521
And... and guess what.
842
00:35:55,522 --> 00:35:58,091
Neither I nor either of my two brothers
843
00:35:58,224 --> 00:36:00,626
ever resorted to murdering him.
844
00:36:02,862 --> 00:36:04,963
So what's the plan, Nolan?
845
00:36:04,964 --> 00:36:08,300
I'm gonna call Eric Hunter
as a rebuttal witness.
846
00:36:08,301 --> 00:36:10,135
As a hostile witness?
847
00:36:10,136 --> 00:36:11,670
Correct.
848
00:36:14,641 --> 00:36:16,342
OK.
849
00:36:16,343 --> 00:36:17,777
Trust your instincts.
850
00:36:28,855 --> 00:36:31,056
Can you tell the jury the circumstances
851
00:36:31,057 --> 00:36:32,659
under which you're here?
852
00:36:32,759 --> 00:36:34,426
You gave me a subpoena.
853
00:36:34,427 --> 00:36:37,731
Making you what we call
a hostile witness.
854
00:36:37,831 --> 00:36:39,666
You're not here
'cause you want to be here.
855
00:36:39,799 --> 00:36:41,034
Correct.
856
00:36:41,059 --> 00:36:42,101
What did I tell you would happen
857
00:36:42,102 --> 00:36:45,170
if you did not testify here today?
858
00:36:45,171 --> 00:36:47,373
That I would be arrested.
859
00:36:47,374 --> 00:36:50,976
What did I tell you would happen
if you did not tell the truth?
860
00:36:50,977 --> 00:36:52,712
I would be charged with perjury.
861
00:36:52,812 --> 00:36:55,814
And you understand both of those things?
862
00:36:55,815 --> 00:36:57,282
Yes, I do.
863
00:36:57,283 --> 00:36:59,686
Was your father a horrible man?
864
00:36:59,786 --> 00:37:01,987
A monster?
865
00:37:01,988 --> 00:37:03,922
- No.
- Did he deserve to die?
866
00:37:03,923 --> 00:37:06,525
- No.
- Did he love you?
867
00:37:06,526 --> 00:37:07,530
Yes.
868
00:37:07,555 --> 00:37:08,990
Did he love your brother?
869
00:37:10,563 --> 00:37:11,597
Yes.
870
00:37:11,598 --> 00:37:15,601
Your father wanted you boys to succeed.
871
00:37:15,602 --> 00:37:18,138
- Correct?
- Yes.
872
00:37:18,238 --> 00:37:20,973
When our mother died, he...
873
00:37:20,974 --> 00:37:23,742
he was terrified.
874
00:37:23,743 --> 00:37:26,378
He didn't think he had
what it took to raise us alone.
875
00:37:26,379 --> 00:37:29,982
So he became very strict.
876
00:37:29,983 --> 00:37:32,451
He believed in tough love?
877
00:37:32,452 --> 00:37:35,020
- Yes.
- Next year, you expect
878
00:37:35,021 --> 00:37:37,457
to be drafted into the NFL, correct?
879
00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:39,725
Well, I hope to be so lucky. Yes.
880
00:37:39,726 --> 00:37:42,327
Would you be a first round pick
if it weren't for your father?
881
00:37:42,328 --> 00:37:45,097
- No.
- But he was hard on you.
882
00:37:45,098 --> 00:37:46,465
Yes.
883
00:37:46,466 --> 00:37:48,201
He said cruel things to you sometimes.
884
00:37:48,301 --> 00:37:49,601
He questioned your commitment.
885
00:37:49,602 --> 00:37:51,236
He made you work out extra hard.
886
00:37:51,237 --> 00:37:52,738
He ran you to the point of exhaustion
887
00:37:52,739 --> 00:37:53,739
Yes.
888
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:54,973
Did you ever try to murder him?
889
00:37:54,974 --> 00:37:56,275
No!
890
00:37:58,111 --> 00:38:00,713
But see, Josh isn't like me. All right?
891
00:38:00,714 --> 00:38:02,648
He's a good person.
892
00:38:02,649 --> 00:38:04,017
Better than me.
893
00:38:05,585 --> 00:38:07,219
You see, I could just turn it off.
894
00:38:07,220 --> 00:38:10,289
But Josh, he's... he's sensitive.
895
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:12,191
He felt stuff deep down,
896
00:38:12,192 --> 00:38:15,060
and all of that hurt him.
897
00:38:15,061 --> 00:38:16,496
It hurt him more than I...
898
00:38:16,596 --> 00:38:19,099
than I ever even knew until now.
899
00:38:21,468 --> 00:38:24,903
Because he didn't tell you
about his feelings.
900
00:38:24,904 --> 00:38:27,272
Did he, Eric?
901
00:38:27,273 --> 00:38:29,274
No.
902
00:38:29,275 --> 00:38:32,644
In fact, despite
what Josh told this jury
903
00:38:32,645 --> 00:38:35,447
in his sworn testimony,
he never told you
904
00:38:35,448 --> 00:38:37,816
that he thought your father was
gonna kill him, did he?
905
00:38:41,221 --> 00:38:44,823
No. He never said that.
906
00:38:44,824 --> 00:38:46,493
He, uh...
907
00:38:48,395 --> 00:38:50,596
He never said that he thought that
908
00:38:50,597 --> 00:38:52,564
our father was gonna kill him.
909
00:38:56,403 --> 00:38:57,970
Nothing further.
910
00:39:02,475 --> 00:39:05,778
Members of the jury,
have you agreed upon a verdict?
911
00:39:05,779 --> 00:39:07,147
We have.
912
00:39:09,816 --> 00:39:13,152
We find the defendant, Josh Hunter,
913
00:39:13,153 --> 00:39:15,221
guilty of murder in the second degree.
914
00:39:16,690 --> 00:39:18,724
Thank you for your service.
915
00:39:18,725 --> 00:39:20,092
We are adjourned.
916
00:39:51,825 --> 00:39:53,926
Eric.
917
00:39:53,927 --> 00:39:56,528
Look, man, you got
what you wanted, all right?
918
00:39:56,529 --> 00:39:59,198
Now, please, leave me alone.
919
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:03,302
Whatever you are thinking
or feeling right now,
920
00:40:03,303 --> 00:40:06,072
your father did not deserve to die.
921
00:40:06,172 --> 00:40:11,111
Don't blame yourself
for what your brother did.
922
00:40:11,211 --> 00:40:12,846
Yeah, well, it's not that easy.
923
00:40:18,451 --> 00:40:19,985
I get it.
924
00:40:19,986 --> 00:40:22,021
I do.
925
00:40:22,022 --> 00:40:23,756
I had a brother.
926
00:40:23,757 --> 00:40:26,525
He's gone now. He overdosed.
927
00:40:26,526 --> 00:40:28,261
And I always asked myself
if there's more
928
00:40:28,286 --> 00:40:31,296
that I could have done to prevent that.
But the truth is,
929
00:40:31,297 --> 00:40:34,733
he was a grown man,
930
00:40:34,734 --> 00:40:37,704
and he made his own tragic choices.
931
00:40:38,772 --> 00:40:40,707
You really believe that?
932
00:40:42,609 --> 00:40:45,577
The strong protect the weak.
933
00:40:45,578 --> 00:40:47,814
That's how the world works.
934
00:40:47,947 --> 00:40:50,216
Well, that's how it's
supposed to work anyway.
935
00:40:50,316 --> 00:40:53,318
I failed Josh, man.
936
00:40:53,319 --> 00:40:55,821
It's as simple as that.
937
00:40:55,822 --> 00:40:58,424
And unlike you,
938
00:40:58,425 --> 00:41:01,728
I will never be able
to forgive myself for that.
939
00:41:15,779 --> 00:41:19,779
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