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Do you want to show
where we are right now? Cos I think
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we're quite deep inside what are
called the Palestinian territories.
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What you call
the Palestinian territories.
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I call it the heart of Judea. If you
say the Palestinian territories,
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you're essentially already saying
that this right here,
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right here is going to be
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a jihadist Palestinian state
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right in the heart of Israel.
Not only in the heart of Israel,
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we're talking about, like,
the biblical... But why Jihadist?
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Why do you say Jihadist?
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Why couldn't it just be
a Palestinian state?
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OK, to understand
the Arab way of thinking
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that they understand,
there's a war.
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They win the war
if they get territory.
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They lose the war if they lose
territory. You could flip that
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and say, "Well, that's what,
in a sense, you're doing."
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That's what I aspire to do.
That's what I aspire to do.
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This programme contains scenes which
some viewers may find upsetting
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and language which some
may find offensive
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Beyond the eastern edge of Israel
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is the Palestinian territory
of the West Bank.
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It was occupied in war
by Israel in 1967.
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Since then, hundreds of thousands
of Jewish settlers have moved here,
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illegally, under international law.
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Among them,
a group of religious nationalists
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who see it as their divine right
to build a greater Israel...
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..and drive out the Palestinians
who've been here for generations.
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I made a film about them in 2011.
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But now, since the attack
of October 7th, I'd heard
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that they were accelerating
the settlement process...
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Why you filming me?
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..while being protected
by the Israeli military.
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I'd come to try to understand
their mindset
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and to see the consequences of their
ultra-nationalist vision up close.
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They don't see us
as equal human being
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who deserve the same rights they do.
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I was close to Israel's
southern border.
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At a viewpoint, tourists
were surveying the ruins of Gaza.
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The Palestinian death toll
at this point was more than 43,000
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and rising,
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in a war that had commenced
a year earlier,
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after Hamas gunmen
attacked Israeli communities,
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killing more than 1,000
and taking hundreds more hostage.
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UPBEAT MUSIC
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Now, with bombs falling nearby,
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settlers from across the West Bank
were holding a jamboree
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to promote the idea of putting
new Jewish outposts in Gaza,
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with workshops
offering practical advice,
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while a vanguard made their case
in front of the world's media.
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How are you doing? Louis. Nice to
meet you. What's your name? Orit.
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Orit. And why are you here today?
To show support
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and that I believe that Gaza's ours
and that we need to be living there.
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To those Palestinians who'd say,
"Well, we'd like to live
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"in a Palestinian state,"
what do you say?
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The Bible says this place was given
to the Jews. This place is ours.
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Ours meaning? It's a Jewish state.
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What's your name? Aaron.
Aaron. Nice to meet you. Louis.
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Where are you from?
I'm from Hebron. And before that?
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Until I was nine years old,
lived in New York
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and then my parents
made Aliyah to Israel.
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We're here to call our government
to go and settle Gaza.
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We're here because
we have a right to be here.
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Our right to be in this land
is the Torah, is the godly promise.
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Where we don't settle, terror grows.
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Among the attendees
were many senior political figures,
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including Israel's
Minister of National Security.
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APPLAUSE
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CHEERING
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CHANTING
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In his youth, Itamar Ben-Gvir
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had been convicted
of incitement of racism.
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He is himself a settler.
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But in a sign of the changing times,
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he now sits in the government of
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
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Presiding over the event was the
godmother of the settler movement,
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Daniella Weiss.
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Daniella,
this is your event, isn't it?
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Tell me about what this is. No,
no, no, not now, not now, not now.
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Ten words. No, no, no. Not...
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Not now, not now...
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SHE CHUCKLES
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We, the settlement movement,
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organised this event
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in order to enhance
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the practical idea
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of establishing
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Jewish settlements
in the entire Gaza Strip.
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We very much encourage and enable
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the population in Gaza
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to go to other countries.
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You will witness how Jews go to Gaza
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and Arabs disappear from Gaza.
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They lost the right
to stay in this holy place,
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please God. Thank you very much.
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APPLAUSE
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CHANTING AND WHISTLING
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From up on a nearby hill, there came
the sound of protesting.
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An Israeli group
demonstrating for a ceasefire
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and the return of hostages
taken by Hamas.
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What are you doing here?
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I think the idea of resettling Gaza
is absolutely ridiculous.
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The question is what kind of country
do we want to be?
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Do we want to be
a colonising country,
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or do we want to be a country
that at least offers peace
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and wants to live in peace
with the Palestinians?
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That has to be what we strive for.
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I'd been hoping
for a moment with Daniella,
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but then came a warning
of a possible rocket attack
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and the event was quickly evacuated.
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Let's grab the cameras and let's go.
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For Jewish settlers,
Gaza is the latest frontier
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in a process that's been unfolding
for decades across the West Bank.
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A region of not much more
than 5,000 square kilometres,
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the West Bank is home to around
three million Palestinians,
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most of them living in large cities
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with limited autonomy
under the Palestinian Authority.
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The Israeli military occupied
the area in the Six-Day War in 1967.
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Since then,
hundreds of thousands of Israelis
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have moved in to form settlements...
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..hoping to expand Jewish presence
in the region,
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or simply looking for cheap housing.
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Often, they start out
as a few tents or caravans,
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pitched by ultra ideological
settlers on hilltops
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next to Palestinian towns.
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These are known as outposts.
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They are illegal under Israeli law
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until they are authorised
as settlements.
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But both settlements and outposts
are illegal under international law.
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The army, nevertheless,
protects them.
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Hello. How are you?
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Everything's great. Where are you
from? London, England. Oh, nice.
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Where are you from? Russia. Russia!
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Most settlements tend to be
suspicious of media.
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But I'd managed to get an
appointment at one, called Evyatar.
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It had started out as on outpost
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on the edge of
the Palestinian town of Beita.
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It was only recognised
as a settlement by the Israeli state
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a few months earlier.
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Hi, there. Good morning.
Good morning. How are you?
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I'm fine. How are you doing?
You must be Malkiel. Yes, I am.
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I'm Louis. How do you do?
I'm fine, thank you.
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Thank you for having us.
Thank you for coming.
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One of its founders is
horse-wrangler Malkiel Bar Hai.
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All right, so let me show you
a bit about Evyatar.
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Um, I'm just going to have to ask
you not to take any films
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of the army base.
That's where they're sitting.
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So there's an army base there?
This is an army base.
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That's where the dormitories are.
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Really? And this is a house,
there's people living here.
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The army base is for your security?
For all the region's security.
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Uh, the story about Evyatar,
this was a hilltop.
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We started from day one
living in tents,
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and by the end of the month,
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we were 50 families living here
in these houses.
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All of these houses
were built back then.
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Coming from where?
All over the country.
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Shall we go inside?
All right.
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It is a little untidy.
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This is where you're living
at the moment? Yes.
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This is our humble home.
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This is our living room,
our kitchen.
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Um... How many children do you have?
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Eight. Four boys and four girls.
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Wow. Behind here
we have another kids' room.
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This is the girls' bedroom.
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Two older girls, 13 and 11.
They sleep here.
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And over there, this is the laundry,
bathroom and a shower.
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So where do you stay? Mum and Dad.
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This is me and my wife.
You and your wife are in there.
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If it rains? Yeah, if it does rain,
so we go into the small caravan.
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Hopefully we'll finish building
the house before winter's here.
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Do you enjoy being
out on the frontier
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where it's a bit more
rough and ready?
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Where there's more uncertainty?
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Our mission is to settle Israel,
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new settlements
all over the country.
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So most of the world sees this
as the West Bank,
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as occupied territory.
It's under a military occupation.
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Correct? Like, it's not part
of the state of Israel,
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as most nations recognise it.
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The ancient name of this area
is called Judea.
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The meaning of Judea
is it belongs to the Jews.
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Mm-hm.
So you can't take all the history,
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put it in the garbage and say,
"OK, it's not belong to the Jews."
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The history said it belonged
to the... To Israel.
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With a selective reading of history
that ignores the Palestinians
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who have lived on the land
for generations,
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the aim for settlements like Evyatar
is to become full-fledged towns,
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guarded round the clock by soldiers,
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walled off from the millions
around them.
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The godmother
of the settler project,
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going back more than 50 years,
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is the woman I'd seen at the Gaza
border event, Daniella Weiss.
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I want to see big cities here,
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like a city of two million people.
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So, it's not a settlement.
A settlement is caravans,
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it's trailers, it's a home here
and a home there.
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This is not what my dream is about.
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The trailers
in that video of Daniella
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have now grown into the settlement
of Kedumim, where she still lives.
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Hi.
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UNTRANSLATED RESPONSE
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Supported by some
in the Israeli government,
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Daniella's viewed by others in power
as a dangerous extremist.
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She'd agreed to talk to me at home.
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Shalom, shalom. Nice to see you.
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So we've got pictures of you
as a young woman.
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Is the one of you getting married,
is that the oldest one?
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This is when we got together.
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I was then 15 or something.
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Your parents were from...?
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My mother was born in Warsaw.
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My parents came here
and invested fortunes,
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believing that some day
there will be a Jewish state. Mm-hm.
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With their vision and their faith,
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I continue to expand the Israel
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and to be as close
as possible to the Promised Land.
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This is your map.
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So this is what most of the world
knows as the West Bank,
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which you call Judea and Samaria.
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This is what you call
occupied West Bank.
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And what the Palestinians
would like to see
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is a future state of their own.
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No, they are not satisfied
with this. But complicated issue.
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These little pink wedges,
what do they represent?
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The Jewish communities
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that were established since 1967.
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I'm curious to know roughly
how many settlements and outposts
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you've been, let's say, in some way
involved in the establishment of?
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Almost every one.
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For real? It's 50 years. Mm-hm.
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You know what it means? 50 years
that I do what I do today.
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Because it's territory
that was won in the '67 war,
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under the Geneva Convention,
transferring a civilian population
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into a conquered terrain,
that's considered a war crime.
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What I do here is a war crime?
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According to the UN.
And you're cooperating
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with the person
who committed war crimes?
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Well, I'm interviewing you.
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SHE LAUGHS
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It's a light felony.
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I'd read a couple of things
suggesting that you were viewed
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as an extremist and possibly
sympathising with Jewish
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or Israeli terror. The confrontation
is not over terror.
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The confrontation is just
on whether, yes or no...
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..we stay here. There's a quote.
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"So alarming is the situation."
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It's talking about the situation
of settlers
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and what they describe
as settler extremism and violence.
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"Last week Ronen Bar, the head
of Israel's security service,
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"wrote to Netanyahu,
the Prime Minister,
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"and the Defence Minister warning
that what he called Jewish terror
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"by violent settlers was doing
indescribable damage to Israel."
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The reason Ronen Bar
says that I'm extremist
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has nothing to do with terror.
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Whatever I represent
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threatens his peaceful,
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secular life.
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I have nothing to do with terror.
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He knows I have nothing
to do with terror,
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and he insists on saying it.
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It's a lie.
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And he knows that it's a lie.
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Does that really explain...
He doesn't like me! Mm-hm.
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Because I have a lot of influence.
Much more than he has.
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Influence over who?
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The young generation
that is growing in Israel.
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And government, too?
And government what?
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Do you have influence
over government? No question.
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Who did all this?
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Can you call Netanyahu?
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SHE CHUCKLES
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What do you mean? Like this?
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Mm-hm. No, I call his aides.
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So the idea
is to force the government
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by putting people,
it starts with small settlements,
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then they get bigger, then they get
recognised by the state of Israel
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and basically creating
a new demographic reality.
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We do not force a government.
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We do for governments
what they cannot do for themselves.
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Um, even if you take Netanyahu now,
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he is very happy with what we do
here and also about our plans
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to build Jewish communities in Gaza.
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He is happy about it,
but he cannot say it.
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He says the opposite.
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"It's not realistic."
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Good!
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We will make it realistic.
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It's not forcing the government.
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It's helping the government.
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It's step number one in politics.
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You don't force the government.
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You give the government the courage,
the ability, the public support,
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the political support.
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I think you understand what I said,
even if you disagree.
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There was something unsettling
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about hearing Daniella's
ethno-nationalist vision
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being laid out so plainly,
especially when I considered
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the support she claimed to have
from some in power.
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With their backing,
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the settlement project
has accelerated,
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with many of those going to live
in West Bank settlements
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coming from other countries.
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Anyone from anywhere in the world
with Jewish heritage,
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since they qualify
for Israeli citizenship,
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can live in a settlement.
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{\an8}Have you ever been to Judea?
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{\an8}Well, consider this an invitation,
because I could try to describe it
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{\an8}to you in words, but it would
just be impossible.
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Ari Abramowitz was born
and raised in Texas.
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He now helps run Arugot Farm,
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a small retreat hosting birthdays,
weddings and corporate events,
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often catering to tourists.
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The farm was established
as an outpost in 2014 -
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illegally, according to
international law -
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on land deep inside
the occupied West Bank.
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Hi.
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We're going to Arugot Farm.
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Thank you.
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HORN TOOTS
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HORN TOOTS AGAIN
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Are you Ari? I am.
There you are.
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How are you doing? Good to meet you.
Welcome, welcome.
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Nice to meet you. You as well.
Louis. Louis. Louis? Yes.
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Lewis, Louis. Louis. Yes.
Or Lewis. I don't mind too much.
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Welcome to Judea. How are you doing?
You've come armed.
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I d... But we're so friendly.
I know how it looks. I know.
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I know, it's not true.
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So this is our synagogue.
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And I remember
when I first came here,
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I wanted to build my house here.
And then I learned that,
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according to Jewish law, you build
the synagogue on the highest place,
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which makes sense.
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What, my home is going to be
lording over the synagogue?
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That wouldn't be right.
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These are the Torah scrolls.
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Is it weird to have your guns on
in here?
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No. My gun is here
to protect the nation of Israel
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from those that seek to harm us.
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And during a service,
would you typically wear them?
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Yes. Is it that dangerous?
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It is until it's not.
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Thank God, never had any issues
of infiltrations here.
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And I think it's because they know
that we're...ready for it.
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How old were you
when you came to Israel?
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I think I was 16.
When you moved here?
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I came here after high school
to study Torah.
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It was supposed to be a few months.
It's called the gap year programme.
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Mm-hm. When you breathe the air,
when you taste that,
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when you feel
mission and passion in life,
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you can't... You can't go back.
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This is where I choose
to come and pray
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with the creator
of heaven and earth.
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I think this is the most beautiful
place in the world, right here.
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Where's the nearest
Palestinian town?
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I'm so uncomfortable
using the word Palestinian
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because I don't think
that it exists.
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You don't think they really exist?
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I don't think that they exist
as a real nation
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with a real claim to this land.
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What are they, then?
They are... They're Arabs.
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With a connection to this land?
Yes, they have a connection to it.
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It's nowhere near the depth
and...
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I mean, we were in this land
planting vineyards
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before Muhammad
was in the third grade.
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Is that a settlement there?
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That is a Jewish settlement
called Pnei Kedem.
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Pnei Kedem.
Which means facing the east.
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"Face to the east."
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Would that be considered legal
under Israeli law? I don't know.
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You don't really care.
I don't, I don't care at all.
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At all. I don't care at all.
Um, I mean... Why don't you care?
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This land here
in the heart of Judea,
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there's some things that transcend
the whims of legislation,
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and this is one of those things.
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For millions of Palestinians
up and down the West Bank,
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the presence of settlers
makes life precarious.
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They live under
Israeli military law,
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restricted from most
Israeli roads,
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subject to frequent run-ins
with the authorities
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and detention without trial,
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in a legal system
that is opaque and arbitrary.
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Israel says the measures
are necessary for security.
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I was in the South Hebron Hills
during the olive harvest,
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a time when tensions run high,
with Palestinians prevented
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from getting to trees they say
they've harvested for years.
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How are you doing?
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VOICEOVER: I was curious to see
the interactions for myself.
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I'd heard from an Israeli
activist group,
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they were trying to help a farmer
named Isaac Jabereen.
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Louis. Salam.
What's happening here today?
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The army arrived.
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A nearby settlement
had allegedly called them
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to report the olive picking.
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One of those on the scene
was a long-time Israeli activist,
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mathematician Kobi Snitz.
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Kobi, do you know... Do you know
what they're doing right now?
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The army has said, "You got to
leave in five minutes."
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And now the landowner
has to make a choice, uh,
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if to try to insist on staying here
and taking a risk.
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They're liable to do anything.
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They could arrest the Palestinians.
They can arrest us.
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Who knows what they might do?
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Have you been arrested before?
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Do you think
he would have been arrested?
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40% of all Palestinian men
have been arrested, so probably.
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Where are you from?
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British television.
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Passport.
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Can I ask why
you're taking my passport?
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I need to check. Check what?
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QUIETLY: Check what?
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Nothing. They don't check nothing.
They just want to scare us.
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If he'd kept picking,
he would have been arrested?
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No, it's not to arrest.
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It's just to evacuate the area.
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Meaning what, though,
if he says, "I'm not leaving"?
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I'm grateful
we didn't get to that part.
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Because what would happen?
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I actually don't...
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As a soldier, you would have to,
what, detain him? That's...
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I rather not speaking it.
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SCREAMING
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Alongside their interactions
with the army,
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Palestinians
throughout the West Bank
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also suffer attacks by settlers.
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INDISTINCT SHOUTING
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These videos come from
the South Hebron Hills,
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where I'd seen the olive picking.
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In the town of Tuwani,
a settler was caught on camera
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shooting and severely injuring
a Palestinian man.
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SCREAMING
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The shooter had his gun licence
revoked, but he was never arrested.
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I'd heard of other
similar incidents.
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SCREAMING
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In the same town of Tuwani,
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I'd made contact with a 20-year-old
Palestinian student
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and local activist
named Mohammad Hureini.
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He'd offered to take me
to the top of the hill
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to meet his neighbour who lives
at a spot closest to a settlement.
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Louis. Nice to meet you.
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Thank you for having us.
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Musahb Rabaee's house
still bears the scars
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of what he says
were settler attacks.
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So there's bullets
that have come through here? Yeah.
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Where that bright light is?
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So what is that? Is that an outpost
or... What is that?
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Is there anyone in there?
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VEHICLE APPROACHES
Hang on, something's happening.
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What is it?
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Are they coming in?
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SOLDIERS SHOUT
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That's a laser on the rifles.
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What do we do? Just stay in here?
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Matan, what do you think?
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It's not safe at the moment.
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There's obviously
multiple guns pointing at us.
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Let's wait.
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What can we do?
Can we call the police?
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This doesn't worry you?
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After more than an hour, the
soldiers appeared to lose interest,
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and the crew and I slipped away.
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The violence committed by some
settlers is often justified by them
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as a response to violence
they experience from Palestinians,
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which is much less frequent.
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Nevertheless,
it's hard to disentangle it
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from an ideology
of the superiority of one group
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and their rights over another,
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promoted by leaders
like Daniella Weiss.
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Hiya, how are you?
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Come in.
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Hoping for more insight
into her and her work, I was back.
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I have a meeting, so...
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But do have a seat.
Thank you.
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So we'll just wait. Great.
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OK. From now on, follow me...
OK. ..if you want to know.
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Are we leaving?
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So we're going to meet you there?
All right.
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I was joining Daniella
and some friends of hers
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in a convoy heading towards Gaza.
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Mission unclear.
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Two hours later,
we were 1km from the Gaza border
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in the Israeli town of Sderot,
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arriving at a yeshiva,
a religious school,
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where Daniella took part
in an assembly
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alongside two prominent rabbis.
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What's happening next, Daniella?
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Shall we follow you?
We'll follow her.
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Our next stop was a memorial
for the victims of October 7th.
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Sderot had seen heavy fighting
during the Hamas attacks
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and suffered many losses.
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For some passersby, Daniella
held a degree of celebrity status.
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Then the settler convoy arrived at
what seemed to be its destination.
494
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560
A viewpoint
overlooking the war zone.
495
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960
Daniella had told me
she'd signed up 800 families
496
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,360
who were ready to move into Gaza.
497
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680
One of her team
explained how it would work.
498
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,640
The idea seemed to be
to get spiritual buy-in
499
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,800
from the two rabbis.
500
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,920
One of them was next to speak,
Rabbi Dov Lior.
501
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,040
SINGING
502
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,960
As the day ended,
we were following Daniella's car,
503
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,320
driving on what seemed to be
army-controlled land,
504
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,880
approaching ever closer
to the Gaza border.
505
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,520
You can see the destroyed houses.
506
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,520
It had previously been reported that
Daniella had been illegally escorted
507
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,560
into Gaza by soldiers
who supported her,
508
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,080
to recce locations for settlement.
509
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,040
Suddenly her vehicle broke away.
510
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,040
HORN BLARES
511
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,240
On this occasion,
she was intercepted.
512
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040
So, basically,
she had a military escort
513
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,560
and then she just peeled away
514
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,480
and made a sprint
for the border of Gaza? Yeah.
515
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,560
She's just tried to run away
from the army, hasn't she? Yeah.
516
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360
Did you try and make a dash
for the Gaza border?
517
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,040
What was happening down there?
518
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,040
DANIELLA LAUGHS
519
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,760
I enjoyed it so much.
520
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,240
Our two jeeps were...
Drew too much attention.
521
00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,120
But what's the idea?
Why do you want to go down to...
522
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,600
I wanted to...
You wanted to enter Gaza? No.
523
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,160
What I wanted to do,
524
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,200
I wanted to show the rabbis
525
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,520
that Gaza
526
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,480
is not something beyond reach.
527
00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,440
Would you say October 7th
made people more receptive
528
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160
to your message
and to your point of view?
529
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,600
No doubt.
530
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,200
The October 7th
531
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,680
naturally made people more receptive
532
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,320
to the idea of the great Israel.
533
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,360
But the next step,
534
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,480
Jewish settlements in Gaza,
535
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000
is a very difficult step
536
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600
that demands a lot of work.
537
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,040
You have to influence the leftists,
the government,
538
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:35,400
the nations of the world,
using the magic system, Zionism.
539
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,120
You redeem the land,
540
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,680
you establish communities,
541
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,240
you bring Jewish families.
542
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,920
You live...live Jewish life.
543
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,600
And this will bring light
instead of darkness.
544
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,200
And this is how the state of Israel
was established.
545
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,040
And this is what we want to do
in Gaza.
546
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,680
This process of making the whole
of the West Bank and Gaza Jewish,
547
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120
do you feel like
it's moving more quickly?
548
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,000
As far as Judea and Samaria
is concerned,
549
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,840
so we want to move
from one million to two million.
550
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680
So this is the next step.
551
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,360
This is my vision.
552
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,360
Not so complicated.
553
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,520
Daniella's vision has been made
possible by the Israeli occupation.
554
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,800
But it in turn
has led to the creation
555
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,400
of a vast military infrastructure,
556
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,960
which impacts every aspect
of Palestinian life.
557
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,840
Nowhere is it more evident
than in Hebron.
558
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,320
Hebron is an ancient biblical city,
559
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,960
home to some 200,000 Palestinians,
560
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,080
a place holy
to three major religions.
561
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,120
Hi, how are you? Fine, thank you.
Where you guys from?
562
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600
We're from a British TV crew.
563
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,000
In 1968, the year after
it was occupied by Israel,
564
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,400
a community of Jewish settlers
moved in illegally.
565
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,360
They now number around 700,
566
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520
existing in a cordon
of military protection.
567
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,320
I visited in 2010,
568
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,880
when I'd spent time
with a settler leader.
569
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,560
Now 14 years on, I was curious
570
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,040
about life
within the Palestinian community.
571
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,400
I'm Louis. Hi, Louis.
Nice to meet you. Welcome.
572
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,880
Thank you for having us.
573
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,640
Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist,
574
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,840
was born here
in a settler-occupied area.
575
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,280
You've got fences all around?
All around.
576
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,320
Fences from here... Yeah.
577
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,240
Who lives on the other side?
Israeli settlers.
578
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,280
You've got army there. What are they
doing? Have they come for a reason?
579
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,040
No. They come for intimidation.
580
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,480
How are you?
581
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,000
They're not speaking but I think
what they would say is,
582
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,280
"Well, we're here
to provide security for the settlers
583
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,000
"who live here,
and want to live in peace,
584
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,280
"and experience animosity
from the Palestinians."
585
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,320
So they want to live in peace at the
expense of my basic human rights.
586
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,600
I didn't choose to live in Hebron.
I was born in Hebron. It's my land.
587
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,680
It's my homeland. Mm-hm.
The settlers chose to come here,
588
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,480
and if it's not safe for them,
589
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,280
why they continue building more
and more settlements in my own city?
590
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,240
By international law,
the settlements are illegal.
591
00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,320
They don't see us
as equal human beings
592
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,920
who deserve the same rights they do.
593
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,880
Lead the way. Yeah.
594
00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,360
For nearly 20 years,
Issa has been an advocate
595
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,240
for nonviolent resistance
against the occupation.
596
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,400
He is one of around 30,000
Palestinians living inside
597
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,160
the high-security area of Hebron,
the so-called sterile zone.
598
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,040
For them, just doing their shopping,
going to work, or going to school
599
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,920
means passing through
military checkpoints.
600
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,600
Let's see how it works.
601
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,840
Hi. Hi.
How are you guys doing?
602
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680
Good. How are you? Fine.
Everything OK?
603
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,440
I need your passport, please.
604
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,320
All of you. OK?
605
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,120
Uh, sure. What for? Why? Check.
606
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,040
Why? Hi, Issa. How are you doing,
mate? How you doing? Hi.
607
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,000
Why you cover your faces?
608
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,400
Because of the cold. No!
609
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,280
Come on, guys. Don't hide.
610
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,280
Only gangs hide their faces.
611
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,000
You are a military. You should have
your faces obvious to everybody.
612
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,400
You know Issa? He lives here.
Yes. Yeah, he lives here.
613
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,320
He says it's making life
very difficult
614
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,680
to have the military presence here.
What are you doing here?
615
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,640
What are you all doing here? What am
I doing here? Making a documentary.
616
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,360
A documentary? Yeah, for British
television. Of what? Of what?
617
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,640
About settlers in the West Bank.
Settlers in the West Bank? Yes.
618
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,160
OK. And what do you tell to the
television about the settlements?
619
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,400
It's not about what I'm telling
them, it's about what I'm hearing
620
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,440
from the people who I speak to.
Where do you live?
621
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000
I don't... I don't want to tell you.
OK.
622
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,800
I told you where I was staying.
UNTRANSLATED
623
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560
Say that again.
624
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560
UNTRANSLATED
625
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560
What does that mean?
626
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,920
It's, "Enjoy from the trip
in Hebron here." Thank you.
627
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960
Wish you all the best, guys.
628
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,560
How is life here? Is it...
629
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,600
It's like... You're very well-armed.
630
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,400
Do you... Do you...
631
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,320
Is there a situation here
that needs careful control?
632
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,760
Of course. What is it?
Tell me about it.
633
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160
What was he saying about Arabi?
634
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,280
No, he wanted to see
if you're an Arab.
635
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200
He asked you if you speak Arabic.
636
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,040
Hello, how are you doing? What's up?
Hey, how are you doing?
637
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200
I'm doing excellent. American?
What do I look, Chinese?
638
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,120
Yeah. From Brooklyn?
639
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:08,600
You bet. Let me just pull over
to the side. OK.
640
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,320
Do you know him?
No, he doesn't live here.
641
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,440
You OK?
642
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,880
Do you need help? Are you OK? No.
643
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,720
Are you stuck? Are you in a rut?
644
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,240
Why are you filming me?
645
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,200
SOLDIER SIGHS
646
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,200
It's all good, don't worry,
647
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,400
we can't even see your face.
Look, you're obscured.
648
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,800
No-one can even see who you are.
649
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,960
Don't worry.
I don't know what to do with you.
650
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,560
I have work to do.
Get on with your work, you're fine.
651
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,800
You stay here in the check post
and filming everything.
652
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,360
You can't do this here, OK?
653
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,240
Come with me.
No, you can't do that.
654
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:48,360
Come with me. No, no, no, no, no,
no, no, no, no. Don't touch me.
655
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,600
No violence. You just touched me.
Don't touch me. No violence.
656
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,000
Listen to me.
Yeah, I'm listening.
657
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,840
Come, come. No.
658
00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,200
I'm from the military, OK? Mm-hm.
IDF, Israel Defence Forces.
659
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,760
I'm above the police
here in the West Bank. OK.
660
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,040
I'm the highest responsibility
of law. OK.
661
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,120
We'll tell it like this, OK?
662
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,560
And as this man, IDF,
I need to tell you,
663
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,480
not staying here. OK.
We'll move along. That's fine.
664
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,480
OK. Leave. Leave this place.
Leave this area, OK?
665
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,120
Yeah, we'll move along.
Right now. Yalla. Louis, let's go.
666
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,120
OK. Yalla. Let's go.
667
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,840
So who lives here?
Palestinian families.
668
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,080
And where are they?
They are hiding behind their doors.
669
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,280
What would stop these shops
from being open?
670
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,240
It's closed by military orders
671
00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,080
and marked as closed shops.
It's marked.
672
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080
From this shop would be
five families, at least,
673
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560
live and earn their living.
674
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,440
Look, this is something new.
675
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,280
This, not to hire Arab workers
in Israel.
676
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,560
Two faces, the faces of an Arab
and a face of a terrorist.
677
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,400
This is how they stereotype us.
678
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,480
Middle finger.
679
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,000
He gave you the middle finger?
Yes, to you, too.
680
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,640
You think it was to me? To you.
I think it was to you. To you.
681
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,320
To both of us. Because
you deserve the middle finger
682
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,520
if you report about Palestinians.
683
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,800
UNTRANSLATED
684
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,360
Wait, wait. ID, please.
685
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,840
For what reason?
686
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,000
It's the policies.
687
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,080
Yes.
688
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,080
That one?
689
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Why can't he...
Why can't he be with us?
690
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,040
How come Palestinians
can't come down here?
691
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,360
It seems ironic that that's the
visitor's centre, right?
692
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,760
For tourists and whatnot?
693
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,880
And he can't actually visit
in his own...in his own city.
694
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,720
You knew that was going to happen.
695
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:42,160
No, it's new that they asked me
to come back to here.
696
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,800
He told me
that I'm allowed only to here.
697
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,240
So they expanded
the closed area for me.
698
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,800
What's it all about?
699
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,160
Taking more and more land.
700
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,280
It's about fragmented life,
restricted life for Palestinians.
701
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,640
No quality life.
702
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,760
You live with the basics,
with the basics,
703
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,480
even with less than basics
of a family need...
704
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,080
..to make you leave.
And they are doing well.
705
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,200
The majority of the houses
are empty.
706
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,520
Families are leaving.
707
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,000
You could flip it and say,
well, if they really wanted
708
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,320
to occupy the whole of Hebron,
or at least this area,
709
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,400
they could literally
deport Palestinians.
710
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,040
They do it slowly.
711
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,760
But now, they are speeding up.
712
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,840
They want approval from their allies
and their partners in the world.
713
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,240
Is it worth going through
to see the other side?
714
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,920
Yes, I can show you.
To see what it looks like?
715
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,520
This gives you a little flavour
of what it was like in there before?
716
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,520
Yes. The market
was much more busy inside.
717
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,520
It was our Oxford Street inside.
718
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,400
So busy, my father used to
hold my arm not to lose me.
719
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,800
Not any more.
It's closed completely. Restricted.
720
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,880
In order to get back in,
we can't go through there now,
721
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,280
cos they've closed it. It's closed
now. So how do we get back in?
722
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040
You try from another checkpoint.
Mm-hm.
723
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,440
Through here? Yes.
724
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,240
Louis.
725
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,040
Coming through? Yes. All right.
726
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,160
OK, just a moment, just a moment.
727
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,400
When it's green. With the green
light, go in.
728
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,480
This one, please.
729
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,400
So now we're on the other side
of the area
730
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,120
where you couldn't walk before,
right? Yes.
731
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,400
Where they stopped you from walking
in front of the visitors' centre.
732
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,520
But you need to get home. Yes.
So what will you do?
733
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,520
I will go around again.
734
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,640
I will go outside this checkpoint,
735
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,160
go around,
to enter from another checkpoint,
736
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,320
and wait till the checkpoint opens,
to get into my house with my son.
737
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,080
You definitely can't come this way?
738
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,080
I can't come this way. OK.
739
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,240
I can... They won't let you through?
No, they will not.
740
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:13,960
I'm not allowed. I was happy
to meet you. Thank you so much.
741
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,440
Bye-bye. Take care. Bye-bye.
742
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,840
On the drive back from Hebron,
743
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,960
I reflected on the separate lives
lived by Israelis and Palestinians
744
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,680
and the unequal system
of rights and justice.
745
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,240
We ran into a traffic jam,
caused by a bomb scare.
746
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,760
The road,
the main artery in the West Bank,
747
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,640
is one of the few
shared by Israelis and Palestinians.
748
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,160
For once, all were subject to delay.
749
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,360
It was a sobering experience
visiting Hebron again.
750
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360
Issa had told me he believed
life was being made intolerable
751
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,960
for Palestinians deliberately
752
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,920
to make them leave
753
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,040
and that the process was speeding up
since October 7th.
754
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,000
And it was true that some settlers
I'd met supported the deportation
755
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,480
of Palestinians who won't submit
to Jewish authority.
756
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,640
One of them was Ari, a Texan,
born and raised in Houston,
757
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,000
now resident deep inside
the occupied West Bank.
758
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,120
Good to see you. Good to see you.
How are you? I'm all right.
759
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,600
A little under the weather.
I'm sorry to hear that.
760
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,960
Thank you for having us back.
761
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,040
Hoping to understand
a little better,
762
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,560
I'd returned to see him again.
763
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,640
OK. We're ready for the coffee.
764
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,280
I really hope I do this right.
765
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,560
I never know if you wear those guns
just for effect.
766
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,280
I don't know what effect
I'm looking for.
767
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,800
Do I want to look more militant?
768
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,200
Yeah, no, I'm not wearing it just
for effect. Do you want to sit down?
769
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,600
We've talked a lot about
how you see the, uh...
770
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,760
the importance of Jewish presence
771
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,480
in what was termed
the biblical land of Israel.
772
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,480
Are you saying that you see Israel
773
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,880
as playing a role
for modelling a new kind of,
774
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,840
what, nationalism?
Is that... Is that right?
775
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,000
I think that all of what's happening
in the world right now is leading us
776
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,920
as a nation to open our eyes
to who we are.
777
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,240
We are the tip of the spear
fighting the battles of America
778
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,680
in defending
779
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,280
the entire Western world.
780
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,920
And not just the Western world,
781
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,400
anyone who wants any semblance of
liberty and freedom in their lives.
782
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,520
Nevertheless, there are millions
of people up and down the area,
783
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,680
uh, Arabs, Muslims,
who aren't living free, right?
784
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,280
They're enclosed
without the same rights,
785
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,240
without national self-determination
786
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,320
and, in many respects,
feeling besieged.
787
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,520
And I just wonder, do you see that?
788
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,760
I don't have tremendous compassion
for a society that has
789
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,160
an unquenchable, genocidal,
790
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,640
theological bloodlust.
It's like a death cult.
791
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,040
It seems to me there's a danger
with that characterisation
792
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560
of Palestinians. You define them
as eliminationist
793
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,040
and hateful and...and genocidal.
794
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,680
Yeah, I used the words
death cult also. As a death cult.
795
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Um... That that then permits you
to almost create a mirror image
796
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,720
of that, that you say, "Well,
if they want to do that to us,
797
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,600
"then we need to do that to them."
798
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,560
I think that
when you're living amongst people
799
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,320
who have perpetually proven,
not only by word but by deed,
800
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,640
that they want your blood
spilled in the streets,
801
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,280
that they want
to murder your children,
802
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,200
that they want to slay all of you,
kill all of you
803
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,480
in the most horrific
genocidal way...
804
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,720
All of the polls showed
after October 7th that these people
805
00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,320
who you continuously call
the Palestinian people,
806
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,320
that I reject the very premise
807
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,680
that they are actually a real nation
for a lot of reasons. I mean...
808
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,680
But the millions of people who have
nothing to do with October 7th,
809
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,840
right? Who actually just would like
to live free, full lives.
810
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,880
If that's really what they wanted,
811
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,760
they would have had it
a long time ago.
812
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,000
They want to wipe Israel
off the map.
813
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,200
They want every last Jew dead.
814
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,920
Because... So what's the answer?
815
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,000
The answer is for us
to declare sovereignty
816
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,720
over all of Judea and Samaria,
817
00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:42,480
and all of the land of Israel,
and Gaza.
818
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,800
And to settle Gaza
and all of Judea and Samaria
819
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,880
with Jews in the land of Israel.
820
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,200
Did the question annoy you?
821
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,120
Annoy me? I just...
I hear it so often.
822
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,240
And it feels like it's being
addressed again and again and again.
823
00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,480
Even if the entire world
is pointing accusing fingers
824
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,000
and gnashing their teeth
in rage and anger,
825
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,360
we know the righteousness
and the truth of our cause,
826
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,000
even if we stand alone.
827
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,240
That's what it means to be a Hebrew.
That's what it means to be a Jew.
828
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:16,080
If we know the truth of our cause,
that's all we need.
829
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,200
For Ari, it was clear that nothing
is greater than the word of God.
830
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,840
And that word had led him to believe
that it was the divine right
831
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,760
of the Jewish people
to settle and rule this land.
832
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200
Good to see you.
See you later.
833
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,400
God should bless and protect you.
Amen.
834
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,080
The Bible was, as he saw it,
a land deed to the West Bank.
835
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,200
With an afternoon free,
836
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,000
I stopped for coffee in the
Palestinian city of Nablus...
837
00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,880
..surrounded by the ancient
architecture of the old city,
838
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,840
and the undeniable fact of the
hundreds of thousands of people
839
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,320
living there,
and their aspirations for statehood.
840
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,840
At the edge of the city, we were
held up at one of the many
841
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,000
checkpoints that control the people
entering and leaving.
842
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,080
Can you put the gun down?
843
00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,320
Where are you from?
From London. London.
844
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,200
You've been in the market? Yes.
845
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,680
You also?
846
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,160
Yes. Yes.
847
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,320
She work with you?
Yes. She's American.
848
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,680
Can you show me ID?
849
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,200
Me?
850
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,320
Everyone.
851
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,720
Yeah, sure.
852
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,200
It's very slow going.
853
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,040
We're in there...
in that queue for an hour or more.
854
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,560
What, uh...
855
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,720
How much time you going to stay
in Israel?
856
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,720
Hang on,
but I don't think we're in Israel.
857
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,000
Huh? Are we in Israel?
858
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,800
You're in Israel now. Are we? Yes.
859
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,640
In the West Bank, no?
860
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,200
In the north of the West Bank,
861
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,000
I was heading back
to the settlement of Evyatar,
862
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,400
where I'd been hosted by Malkiel,
the horse-wrangler.
863
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,240
Since my visit, I'd learned
a little more about the settlement's
864
00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,720
relations with its neighbouring
Palestinian town of Beita.
865
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,800
How Beita had been subject
to settler attacks
866
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,120
and how it, in turn, had organised
regular protests of the settlement.
867
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,720
Demonstrators had been killed and
others wounded during the clashes.
868
00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:38,840
SIREN WAILS
869
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,640
One of the deaths
of a Turkish-American volunteer,
870
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,040
Aysenur Ezgi Eygi, made headlines.
871
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,680
Now the settlement
was holding a festival
872
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,480
to celebrate its recent recognition
by the Israeli State.
873
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,200
MUSIC PLAYS
874
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,600
Entertainments had been laid on
875
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,280
and families from settlements
from around the West Bank
876
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,200
had converged for a day of music
and activities.
877
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,880
One of those speaking was Daniella.
878
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,360
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
879
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,560
How are you?
880
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,560
You want to go there?
Yeah, it's a bit quieter.
881
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,120
As the festivities wound down, I had
a moment to speak to Daniella
882
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,600
on a hilltop overlooking
the Palestinian town of Beita.
883
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,920
So you've been talking
about settling.
884
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,720
You've talked about displacing,
wanting the Palestinians to go,
885
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,640
you said, to Africa,
to Canada, to England,
886
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,160
you don't care where. Turkey. Mm-hm.
887
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,280
What would be wrong with
either a two-state solution
888
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,920
or a one-state solution
where everyone had the same rights?
889
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:27,000
We want to have a Jewish state
based on Jewish rules,
890
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,520
on Jewish values.
891
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,000
It's not a relationship
of neighbours. Why not?
892
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,400
Cos we are two different nations.
893
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,560
Different.
I just wonder whether you feel,
894
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,840
or you're aware that, um...you know,
895
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,400
they're really suffering.
And there's been settlers
896
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,440
rampaging through the area
of the West Bank,
897
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,960
so there's all this... Agitation.
898
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,280
..death. Tragedy. Right? Tragedy.
899
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,960
When a people is invaded, right?
900
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,040
And then put under
a military occupation,
901
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,800
deprived of their rights,
902
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,760
that anger seems to be
an understandable response,
903
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,320
an appropriate response.
904
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,640
There is no such thing
as settler violence.
905
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,560
Did I speak... I don't know if...
I don't mind saying it again.
906
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,320
Mm-hm. And I don't mind...
I will be glad to explain.
907
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,400
You don't believe it's real?
There are videos. You can see them.
908
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,720
You see what? OK.
909
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,600
Let's say... Mm-hm.
910
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,920
..we have a camera here. Yes.
911
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,760
And I do this. Yeah.
912
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,480
Do something.
You don't mind what I did to you?
913
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,560
You don't...
Well, I won't do that to you.
914
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,960
You won't do that. No.
915
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,000
And then the camera takes just part.
916
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,440
Mm-hm.
917
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,960
You don't have the full picture.
918
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,200
Then I say you're violent.
919
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,560
You're violent against a woman.
920
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:56,360
This is exactly what is going on
all the time with what you call,
921
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,760
er... Settler violence.
Settler violence.
922
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,240
Settlers do not wake up
in the morning,
923
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,120
or do not go and wait for sundown
to attack.
924
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,760
No, no, no, no.
925
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:15,000
Why should we wake up in the morning
and think about violence?
926
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,000
Why? Our life is good!
927
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,880
Because you want
the Palestinians to leave.
928
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,760
No! No, no, no!
You've said so.
929
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,120
I said that what is on my mind
all the time...
930
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,640
..is how to bring more people
to settle the land.
931
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,800
This a new development by Jews.
932
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,960
This is Yitzhar,
this we can...
933
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,240
Here we can develop.
Here we cannot develop.
934
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,600
I never think in terms of...
I know this is Beita.
935
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,840
Mm-hm. I don't think in...
I don't think about Beita.
936
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,480
Why not? Because I think about,
I am a Jew.
937
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,040
They're people. I'm a settler.
They're people. I'm a human being.
938
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,080
Yes, you are. And so are they.
So I do not think about this.
939
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,520
You're thinking about tribalism.
Thinking of your own people
940
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,360
to the exclusion...
It would be understandable
941
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,960
to think of your own people
or your own children first.
942
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,000
But to think about other people,
other children not at all?
943
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,120
That seems sociopathic.
944
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,640
DANIELLA CHUCKLES
945
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,200
I can, uh... Doesn't it?
946
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,480
No, not at all. This is normal.
947
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,640
To my children, I give everything
948
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,600
because I... The normal thing,
normal thing for me
949
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,040
is to pray for my own people.
950
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,600
That's it. So now I continue.
951
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,120
I hoped you'd push me back.
952
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,920
And so I said goodbye to Daniella
953
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,240
and her extreme ideology
delivered with a smile.
954
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,200
14 years on from my first visit,
955
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,000
with the horror of October 7th
in the interim
956
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,280
and the ongoing devastation of Gaza,
957
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,800
the settler dream
shows no sign of abating...
958
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,600
..along with the dislocation,
displacement and death
959
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,000
that follows inevitably
in its train.
960
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,840
Advanced by ideologues,
961
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,880
backed up by those in power
962
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,320
and accountable only to God.
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