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- In the criminal justice
system,

sexually based offenses

are considered
especially heinous.

In New York City,
the dedicated detectives

who investigate
these vicious felonies

are members of an elite squad

known as
the Special Victims Unit.

These are their stories.

[laughter]

- Okay, um, this isn't--
this isn't what we want.

Why don't we just
wait here for a second?

We'll let everyone catch up.

[cell phone chiming]

- Are your parents texting you?
- No, Lydia.

- Lydia Banks?

- Yeah. I haven't seen her

since she moved to New York.

She said she'd
meet us right here.

- Ann!

- There she is! Lydia!

- Oh, my God!

Hey, stranger.
Welcome to New York.

- Oh, the city is so big.

I didn't think you'd find me.

- Wow.

- Oh, you remember Lucas.

- Of course. Hey.
- Hey, Lydia.

- So, where to?

Oh, my God.
That bartender keeps trying

to sell me shots.

- He shouldn't be doing that.
I'm gonna go

say something to him.

- How chivalrous.

- [laughs]

Lucas is great.

He was the only person
I could talk to when you left.

- So question:
what are you guys?

- Excuse me?

- Well, are you
high school debate

or are you model U.N.?

We have a little bet going on.

- Neither. She lives here.
I'm visiting,

doing volunteer work
with my church.

- Wow. A church chick.

That is so nice.
So you must be a virgin, then.

- [scoffs] With a line
like that, you definitely are.

We're not interested.

- Swing and a miss.

[both laughing]
- Jeez.

- I forgot how much
I missed you.

- Ann, were those guys
bothering you?

- Uh, Lydia got rid of them.

- Well. I see.

Thank you, Lydia.

- My pleasure.

- Oh. Hi, Charlotte.
- It's 11:00.

Time for lights out.

- Hey.
- You know the rules.

No guests in the room.

- It was my fault; I just needed
to use the bathroom.

But I'm leaving.

- I'm sorry.

Bye.
- Bye, Ann.

- Lights out.

[phone chiming]

- [laughs]

[knock at door]

I just turned
the lights out, Charlotte.

I'm getting into--

- [laughs]

I'm back.

Charlotte has to be asleep by--

Ann?

Ann, what's wrong?

- Vic's name is Ann Davenport.

18, part of a visiting church
group from Hunter, Indiana.

- And she said that she was
sexually assaulted in her room.

- No, actually,
her friend said that.

Lydia Banks, also 18.

She's the one who called 911.

- Okay, we're gonna need
security footage

from the hallway
and the elevator.

Key card entry logs.
The works.

- Hi.
- Hey, are you from SVU?

- I am.
I'm Lieutenant Benson.

This is Detective Tutuola.

- You Lydia?
- Yeah.

- Uh, Lydia, I need to
speak with Ann alone

for a moment, okay?

Thank you so much.

So Ann, can you tell me
what happened?

- I'm--I'm not really sure.

- You were raped!

Look, she was raped.

She would never let a man
have sex with her.

She is--

She is a lesbian.

- [sighs]

[dramatic music]

♪

- Look, I don't know what Ann
has been telling you,

but the church
has brainwashed her.

I mean, they've convinced her
that being gay is a sin.

- How do you two
know each other?

- Well, we grew up together.

I got out of Indiana
when I turned 16.

We did stay in touch,
but tonight's the first time

I've seen her
since I moved to New York.

- Okay. So what'd you guys
do tonight?

- Well, we had a drink.

It was just a soda at the bar.

Um--

And then we went back
to her room.

Um--

And then the chaperone
knocked on the door,

said it was 11:00;
it's lights out.

And then Ann,
she snuck me her room key

so that I could come back
and we could--we could hang out.

- How much later?

- It was, like,
maybe a half hour later.

And, you know, I thought
everyone would be asleep,

so I went in and Ann was crying.

And she said
that she had been raped.

- She used that word?

- Basically.
I mean, she said,

"He made me.
My virtue is gone."

What does that
sound like to you?

- A few minutes later,
I heard a knock at the door.

And I thought
it was Charlotte again,

but it wasn't.

- Okay. Do you know who it was?

- Uh, just a guy.

- Okay. Was it somebody
that you recognized?

- Uhh, it was just dark
and I can't--

I can't say.

- Okay. So, Ann, did he--
did he threaten you

or did he have a weapon?

- No, he told me--

He told me to lie down
on the bed.

I didn't want to.
And then--

But--but I thought I had to.

- It's okay.

Can you tell me
what happened next?

- He--he pulled my skirt up.

And I said, "No."

And then I tried
to fight him off

and then he--

He had--he had sex
with me anyway.

And--[sighs]

I would never have sex
with a boy.

- Because you're a lesbian.
- No.

No, I'm saving myself
for marriage.

I'm a virgin.

Or I was.
- Okay, so what

Lydia said before--
- I'm not.

I mean, I have feelings
for Lydia,

but I would never act on them.

That's a--that's a sin.

- [sighs] Honey, I need you
to listen to me.

If you didn't want to have sex
with that boy,

that's rape.

So--

So I'd like to take you
to the hospital,

where you can be examined, okay?

- So Ann can't tell us who
attacked her or she won't?

- Well, it's obvious
she's traumatized.

It's possible that
the perp threatened her.

- Or she had sex
with a boyfriend

and don't want
her girlfriend to know.

- I'm not getting that.

- Lieutenant Benson?
- Yes.

- I'm Reverend Gary Langham.

Ann is one of my congregants.

- Let me make this call.
- Yeah.

Uh, yes, Reverend.
Ann mentioned you.

- We're worried sick about her.

She was sexually assaulted?

Did she say by who?
- No, not yet.

She's actually quite hesitant
to tell us what happened.

- I can understand that.
She's very sheltered.

- Is it possible
that Ann is involved

with somebody in the group?

Or that she has a boyfriend

here in New York?
- Absolutely not.

Ann is chaste.
All of our congregants are.

We don't believe
in premarital sex.

- I understand.
I just had to ask.

- I blame myself for this.

I never should have
brought her to New York.

She's--she's naive.

She's trusting.

She was obviously taken
advantage of by someone.

- But you didn't see any--
anyone in particular?

- Now that you mention it,
there were these two boys.

They were drunk.

They were obnoxious.

One was wearing an orange
Shark Wear hat.

- Okay, that could
be very helpful.

[cell phone buzzes]

- This is Ann's parents.

They're getting on
a flight here now.

It's not the best light
to see New York in

for the first time.
- No.

If you think of anything else,

would you be so kind
to give me a call?

- I will thank you.
- All right.

Thank you, Reverend.

- Reverend, huh?
What'd he have to say?

- That they're not
in Kansas anymore.

- NYPD.
Open up.

- Morning, sunshine.

Know why we're here?

- Uh, did the bartender
call you?

Our IDs weren't fake, I swear.

- No, forget about
the bartender.

Do you recognize this girl?

Hey, wake up.

- No. No, I don't think so.
- What about you? Huh?

Maybe from the bar?
- Uh, oh--oh, yeah.

It's the church chick.

- Yeah, the church chick
got assaulted last night.

- Whoa, whoa. We didn't have
anything to do with that.

Her friend shut us down.
We bounced.

- You bounced, huh?
- Yeah.

- Where'd you go
after you left the bar?

- We crashed.

We saw Billy Joel
at the Garden.

And then we missed
the last train to Massapequa,

so I used my dad's credit card
and I got this room.

- Okay, you didn't
follow her up here?

Try to turn a no into a yes?
- No, no.

Her boyfriend
was hanging around.

Didn't want any part of that.
- Her boyfriend,

what'd he look like?
- Ask the bartender.

He was yelling at him.

Something about shots.

I don't get what they were even
doing at a bar anyway.

- This guy jumped
down my throat.

You know, I didn't know
these girls were underage.

- Isn't knowing that
part of your job?

- I was upselling.
They were ordering sodas,

not tipping.

You know, I gotta eat, too.

- All right, all right.
That's fine.

And what'd this guy look like?

- Clean cut. Tall.
Brown hair.

He was polite
for being so pissed off.

- Is that the best you can do?
- He ran out of cash.

I had to charge a smoothie
he ordered to his room.

- You got the room number?

- Ann's not my girlfriend.
She's just my friend.

We go to church together.
Is she okay?

- You two were at the bar
together last night?

- Yeah. And her friend, Lydia.
- Did you notice

anybody following her, maybe?

Or, um, I don't know,
was Ann flirting with anyone?

- No. Ann doesn't flirt.
What is this about?

- She was assaulted last night
in her room.

- What?

She said she was assaulted?

That's--is that
the word she used?

- No. That's what happened.

- [chuckles] It's not.
- She was raped.

We're trying to figure out
who might have done something

like this to her.
- No.

She wasn't raped.

I would never rape anyone.

- What are you talking about?

- It wasn't rape.
It was curative intercourse.

I was--I was saving her soul.

- [sighs]
Lucas is my friend.

He was doing what
he thought was right.

That's why I couldn't tell you
it was him.

- Yeah, we understand.
- He told us what he did to you

was--was curative intercourse.

- Yes. To cure me of
my attraction to Lydia.

Homosexuality is a sin.

- I was following God's command.

- Really? Okay, but Ann told us
that she didn't consent,

that she--she didn't
wanna have sex.

- No, she--she wanted to.

- She told you this?
- She didn't have to.

I know she didn't wanna
be a homosexual.

No one does.

- You told us that
you were a virgin.

So isn't what he did to you
also a sin?

- Fornication can be forgiven.

It's a small price to pay for
the graver sin of homosexuality.

He--he was saving me.

- Well, she told us
she didn't want you in there

and that she said no.
- Even if she did,

it--it wouldn't have mattered.

- Why's that?

- Because we're taught not to
heed the words of the devil.

- Whatever was in his mind,

if you didn't want him
to do that--

if you didn't give him consent--

that's rape.
- Mm-mm.

That may be what you believe--

- No, it's what I know, honey.

That's--that's the law.

- But it's not God's law.

- It's not rape.

It's not done with hate
or anger.

It's done with love.

The world is filled
with temptations,

but when a woman feels
the full glory

of God inside her,

she sees the true path.

- The full glory, huh?

- Being one with a man,
as God intended.

When a woman feels that,

she's brought back
to God's will.

And understands her role.

Ann needed to be saved.

- Liv?
- Yeah. Excuse me, Ann.

- So, um, this kid
is basically confessing.

But in his mind, he forced Ann
to have sex with him

to save her from going to hell.
- Okay. Keep him talking.

- All right.
Also, Ann's parents are here.

- [sighs]

- I wanna see my daughter.
- And you will.

She's just speaking
with our lieutenant right now.

- She shouldn't have
come on this trip.

She was assaulted.
- Who did this to her?

Have you made an arrest?

- Well, we're still
investigating.

- I don't understand.
I mean, how did this happen?

Was it someone at the hotel?

- We actually don't think
it was a stranger.

Do you--do you guys
know Lucas Hull?

- Yes.
- Can you describe

his relationship
with your daughter?

- What do you mean?

- Paul. This must have something
to do with Lydia Banks.

- Excuse me?

- Lydia. She tried to
lead Ann astray.

- Okay, 'cause Ann said
she was her friend.

- [sighs]
She's a lesbian.

We're taking our daughter home.

We need to
deal with this our way.

- I understand that, sir.
But we are in the middle

of a criminal investigation
and we would

very much appreciate
your cooperation.

- It's the police, Paul.

She needs to stay, right?

- Yes, that would be helpful.

- I'm just worried about Ann.

Regardless of why this happened,
she was traumatized.

I wanna make sure she's safe.
- So do we.

- Look, we have
had enough of this.

We'll be at the hotel.

- What's gonna happen to Lucas?

- He committed a crime, Ann.

We can't just pretend
it never happened.

- Reverend, the police
are saying that Ann has--

- I know. Just take Ann
back to the hotel.

Let me handle the police.

Lieutenant Benson,
I've retained

a New York City attorney
for Lucas Hull.

- And my client's interview
is over.

- Lucas has a right to counsel,

but he's already confessed
to my detectives.

- There is nothing
to confess to.

- Excuse me?
- Lucas had curative intercourse

with Ann Davenport.

It's his right,
under the First Amendment.

- His right?
- It's an expression

of his and Ann's
religious beliefs.

- Okay.
- Look, I'm no preacher,

but I know the guy in the sky
isn't down with rape.

- Yeah, well, neither is
the State of New York.

And regardless of
his religious beliefs,

Lucas is guilty
of sexual assault.

So he won't be going anywhere.

- Well, then,
I will see you in court.

- His pastor's invoking
the First Amendment?

- He claims he was trying
to cure her

and the victim does, too.
- The victim?

- Yeah, she admits
that she was raped,

but doesn't wanna press charges
because she thinks

the guy did it
for the right reasons.

- None of that matters.
Ann didn't consent.

It was rape.
- Right, but if she really

believes that what he did
was curative--

- Even if you buy into
this demented doctrine,

a patient has the right
to refuse care at any time.

- Of course,
but I'm just saying

that given her
religious beliefs,

all right,
it's more than possible

that this kid's defense attorney

is gonna lather that up
into consent.

- Yeah, I agree.

So we've gotta help Ann
see the light, so to speak.

- And how do we do that?

- Use your imagination.

Religion has been used to
justify everything

from genocide
to the war against Christmas.

I'm sure we can twist it
in our favor, for once.

Just get her on our side.

- Hey.
- There you are. Hi.

- My mother thinks I'm napping.

She's afraid I'll go see Lydia.

- Oh. Do you wanna see Lydia?

- Uh, Lydia's a good person,

even if she's, uh--

- Homosexual?

- [sighs]
- You're a good person too, Ann.

- I--I try to put all this

in God's hands, to have faith.

But God's law and man's law
say two different things.

And how do I know what's right?

- Maybe you don't need to know.

Maybe--maybe you just need
to tell the truth.

- The truth.

That--that I have feelings
for Lydia

or what Lucas did?

- Both.

- But my lust is a sin.

It's--

- Ann, God made you
the way you are.

What Lucas did,
do you really think

that God would condone that?

He hurt you.

- Ah--
[sighs]

- You know,
I believe in God, too.

And I'm not sure what He has
in store for me or for you.

Or for anyone, for that matter.

But--but what I am sure about

regardless of religion,

is that what Lucas
did to you was wrong.

- [crying]

Yeah, I know.

- Lucas Hull, on the charge of
rape in the fist degree,

how do you plead?
- Not guilty, Your Honor.

- People on bail?
- State requests remand,

given the seriousness
of the charge.

The defendant
is not a resident,

has no ties to the community.

- Lucas is from
a small town in Indiana.

He has no priors.
Given his age

and his lack of resources,
he's not a flight risk.

He doesn't even have
a passport.

He's only standing here
because his religious beliefs

aren't respected by the state.

- Save it for trial,
Counselor.

Bail is set at $100,000.
Cash or bond.

- I don't have
that kind of money.

- We have already started
a collection

because the church
takes care of its own.

- Next case.
Docket number 171002496.

- I'm pleading with you,
Lieutenant.

Don't make my daughter testify.

She will be shunned
by the church, our community.

This is a private matter.
- No, it's not, anymore.

A crime has been committed.

So now, unfortunately,
this is a public matter.

- I don't understand.
Why are you making her do this?

- I only asked your daughter
to tell me the truth.

And she told me that that's
something that she valued.

- The truth is Lucas Hull
tried to save her soul.

- The truth is that your
daughter was sexually assaulted.

- I knew she should never
have come to New York.

Now her father is--he can't even
bring himself to come here.

- Cheryl, Cheryl, please.
Let's just go.

They think their secular law
takes precedent over God's law.

But they'll find out
they're wrong.

- I can imagine
what that was about.

- These people really think
that nothing criminal happened.

- Never underestimate
the power of faith.

Regardless of where it's placed.

Braun won't take a deal.

- Yeah, because
Reverend Gary won't let him.

If--if Lucas admits
that he committed a crime,

then Reverend Gary loses face
with his congregation.

- Okay, let's go over
Ann's testimony one more time.

Make sure that she's consistent.
- Okay.

- You know, he said,
she said, God said.

You don't want God
to get the last word.

[sighs]
Spoke too soon.

Defense filed a motion
to dismiss

based on First Amendment
protections.

- So they're saying
that rape is okay

if it's done
for religious reasons.

- Huh. I don't remember
reading that in the Bible.

- The church to which both
Lucas Hull and Ann Davenport

belong holds firm in its belief
that homosexuality is sinful

and that curative intercourse
is the appropriate remedy.

Therefore, there was
tacit consent.

- This argument is ridiculous.

- [laughs] All religion is
ridiculous to the non-believer.

That's the basis
for religious discrimination.

In both Cantwell
versus Connecticut

and Hobby Lobby--
- Neither of those cases

involved a rape.

Reynolds versus U.S. ruled that
the First Amendment protection

did not entitle a person to act
on their religious beliefs

in a way that violates the law.

- Yeah, but this is not true
in People versus Moua,

a 1985 case.
- It's not precedent,

Your Honor.

And the judge in that case

handed down a reduced sentence.

He didn't nullify the crime,
based on a religious argument.

But if you'd like to
plead this out,

my offer's still on the table.

- In the eyes of the Lord--
the ultimate judge--

my client is innocent.

So I refuse to let Lucas
plead guilty.

- Well, with all due respect
to the Almighty,

His laws are meaningless
when it comes to sexual assault.

- Good arguments.
I'll let the jury hear them.

Motion to dismiss is denied.

- Lieutenant Benson.

- Lydia. Lydia, what are you--
what are you doing here?

- I don't understand. Mr. Barba
said that he doesn't need me.

That because of
my relationship with Ann,

I could hurt the case.

But nothing happened between us.

- I understand that, Lydia.

But it's just--
it's not that simple.

- Are they gonna try
and make it look like

Ann doesn't wanna be gay?

- They will use that
as part of their defense.

- She won't even call me back.

- This has not
been easy for her.

She has been focusing
on the trial.

- It's all my fault.

If Lucas hadn't
seen us together,

Ann would not have been raped.
- Lydia,

you are not to blame for this.

- Oh, right.

God is.

I have to get inside.
I'm sorry.

- Even if Ann did believe
that her attraction

to women was sinful,

she still has
the right to say no.

- Lucas Hull and Ann Davenport

both believe that homosexuality
is against God's law.

And they both believe
that curative intercourse

can help someone to overcome
what Ann herself

viewed as a sickness.

- Irrespective
of religious chatter

or sanctimonious phrases,

the case comes down
to one simple question:

did Ann Davenport consent to
having sex with the defendant?

If the answer is no,
that means she was raped.

- Lucas knew that Lydia and I
were alone in my hotel room.

And he was afraid that
I'd give in to temptation.

He said that I needed
to feel the full glory

of God's purpose
to overcome that lust.

- How did you respond?
- I said that I could

resist on my own, that I didn't
need him to do that.

And he pushed me on the bed.

- And then what happened?

- He pulled up my skirt

and he forced himself--

he forced himself inside me.

And I--I said no
and tried to fight him off.

But he didn't stop.

- When the police showed up,
why didn't you tell them

that Lucas had done this?

- 'Cause I didn't wanna
get him in trouble.

He--he was doing
what he thought was right.

- But you did not consent.

- No.
- Thank you, Ann.

Nothing further.

- Ms. Davenport,
I sympathize with you.

This--this can't be
an easy position to be in.

You and Lucas are friends,
so when he came to your room,

you didn't scream
or cry for help.

- No.
- He didn't have a weapon.

- No.
- And he didn't prevent you

from leaving.
- No.

- So when your lesbian friend--
- Objection.

- Sustained.
Be careful, Mr. Braun.

- When your friend
came back to your room,

shortly after Lucas left,

did you tell her
that you'd been raped?

- No, I--

I was upset.
She had asked what happened

and I said that I had sex.

That he made me do it.

- Right, but you didn't use
the word rape or sexual assault.

You didn't call the police.

In fact, Ms. Banks called the
police against your wishes,

didn't she?
- Yes, but--

but she was just trying
to help me.

- One more question.

Are you in a romantic
relationship with Ms. Banks?

- No, I--
- Is it possible

that she wanted to be?

That she came back to the room,

hoping to seduce you

and when she saw that
you'd had sex with Lucas,

she got upset--
- Objection.

- A moment, Your Honor.

- Your Honor?
- Objection is sustained.

Mr. Braun, are you with us?
- Withdrawn.

However, at this point,
Your Honor,

I'd like to continue my cross

by admitting
the following video evidence

as exhibit E.
- This is the first

I'm hearing of this.
- That's because

we've only just received it.

But it pertains directly
to Ms. Davenport's testimony.

- Yeah, nice try.
I need to review this evidence.

- As do I.

Court is in recess.
[bangs gavel]

- Ann, I'm sorry
this got so complicated

that you had to deal
with the police.

- I know.
- I just--I didn't want you

to have to live
a life like that.

To be damned.
- I understand. I do.

- Why did you say
that you were raped?

- Maybe you were confused, Ann.
Is that it?

Just overwhelmed with Lydia,

with New York, the police.

Is that why you said
you were assaulted?

- Yes.
Yes, I guess.

- Then it's--it's settled.

What happened between the two
of you was a blessed event.

Let's pray.

- There goes our case.

- Man plans, God laughs.

- No, there's nothing funny
about Reverend Gary.

Or rape...

in the name of religion.

- And after they had sex,
I counseled them.

I found there was no malice

between the two of them.

Ann forgave Lucas
and understood that

what he had done
was right and Godly.

- And why did you
record this meeting?

- Because I knew
the state of New York

would not understand
or accept our beliefs.

But my obligation lies with the
well-being of my congregants.

Lucas should not be made
to suffer for saving Ann,

for being a messenger
of God's will.

- And is it your impression,

as--as Ann's
spiritual counselor,

that she wanted to be saved
from homosexuality?

- Absolutely.

I have no doubt
in my mind.

We discussed it
on many occasions.

- Objection, this is
privileged communication

between a clergyman
and a congregant.

Ms. Davenport does not
waive this privilege.

- Sustained.

- Reverend, one last question.

As head of the church,
is it your belief

that God condones--mandates--
curative intercourse?

- Yes.

- No further questions.

- You were not in the hotel room
when Ann was assaulted.

- No.
- You did not hear

what she said or did not say.

- That's correct.

- You allege that
in your private meeting

after the assault,
Ann forgave the defendant.

- I'm certain of it.
I was there.

- You are certain of that.
You believe that

she forgave him, that her
forgiveness was genuine.

- Absolutely.
- Then the defendant

must have done something wrong.

Doesn't granting forgiveness
imply a crime--

a transgression that needs to be
forgiven in the first place?

- Yes, but--
- Yes.

- You do not understand
our core beliefs.

You do not understand--
- This is not about beliefs!

It's not about God.
It's not about homosexuality.

It's about a crime.

It's about a woman who says no

and a man rapes her anyway.

- Objection.
- Withdrawn.

- I waited for Lydia
and Charlotte to leave

and then I knocked on Ann's door
and she let me in.

- And then what happened?

- I explained to her
why I was there.

What had to happen.
What--what God asked of us.

- And how did she respond?

- She was scared.

I was, too.

Neither of us had
done that before

and--and we're not married.

But I knew it was
my responsibility

to free her from sin.

So--so I laid her on the bed.

- And did she--did she resist?

- She was tense.
It wasn't easy.

but I believe she knew
what had to happen.

What Reverend Gary
and what God wanted us to do.

- Lucas, what happened
afterwards?

- She was crying a little.

She was upset.

I was, too.
It was really difficult

for the both of us.

And then she told me that
she understood why I did it.

And that I should go.

- Did she, at any point,

say that she had been raped

or that she was going to
call the police?

- No. Reverend Gary said that
Lydia called the police

and that's why
they were involved.

And when they came to me,
I-I told them the truth.

Every word of it.

- Thank you, Lucas.

- Do you consider Ann
to be truthful?

- Absolutely.

- Have you ever
known her to lie?

- She wouldn't.
It's not in her nature.

- Can you explain
why her testimony

directly refutes yours?

I quote, "He pulled up my skirt,
he forced himself inside me.

"I said no, I tried
to push him off.

He didn't stop."
- She didn't lie.

- Mm.

- She was experiencing
a union with God.

It's--it's what happens.

It's like Reverend Gary says.

Resist the devil,
and he will flee from you.

- So she was resisting.
- Her demons were resisting

and sometimes, you have to fight
through them to save someone.

And if I'm the one that has to
pay for it, so be it.

But I-I love Ann.

I would never want
to hurt her.

- You did.

- Defense looks happy.
- They should be.

Lucas is earnest, sincere,
telling the truth.

- Are you saying
that we lost the jury?

- Quite possible.

- Well, you're not thinking
of taking a deal.

- No. They're all complicit.

- So when are we gonna
go after the real villain?

- The Reverend.

- You heard Lucas on the stand.

You saw that video.
- We would need to prove

that Gary ordered Lucas
to rape Ann.

- And Lucas is the only one
who can tell us that.

Let me do some digging.

See what I can find out about
Lucas and Gary's relationship.

- That was Lucas' parents.

Turns out he quit school
in the 12th grade.

Spent the next year
living with

and being home schooled by Gary.

- Did they say why?
- Apparently Gary

has special students
he looks out for.

Lucas was just one of them,

Studying his faith
as Gary's apprentice.

You know, keep him
out of trouble.

And what that is,
they didn't know.

- That could mean anything.

- So which one of you guys
is gonna call Liv?

This is me delegating,
practicing my sergeant skills.

- Ahh. Don't keep us
in suspense.

Why are we here?
I already told you

my client's not taking a deal.

- What if I were to propose
a much better deal?

We don't think your client
is the only guilty party here.

- Excuse me?
- We want the Reverend.

Lucas, Reverend Gary
is the one who told you

that you could
cure Ann, correct?

- Wait, wait, don't answer.
- He's also the one

who told you and Ann to cover it
up and not report it, right?

- Guys, where are we
going with this?

- Lucas, if there are
extenuating circumstances,

if the Reverend Gary
has some kind of hold on you,

we need to know.
It's in your best interest.

- I'm not sure what you mean.

- We know that you
lived with him for a year.

- Can you tell us why?

- I got into trouble
at school.

- Okay.

Who decided you should
live with Reverend Gary?

- He did.

- And you do whatever
Gary tells you to do, right?

I'm not judging. I grew up
in faith, I understand.

When I was a teenager,
if a priest told me to jump,

I'd only ask how high.

- It was the best thing
that could've happened.

I learned so much.

He taught me to trust
in God's plan.

- You here for trial on rape,
that seem like

part of God's plan to you?
- It has to be.

- He told you that you
had to live with him.

He told you to quit school.

- Not just me.
There were others.

- Okay. So what else did he tell
you and the others to do?

- Our chores at
the house and the church.

He--he made sure that
we studied the Scriptures.

He took us to other counties
so that we could volunteer

for their youth programs.
- Did he ever ask you

to perform curative intercourse
before?

- All right, don't, Lucas.
- You don't understand

him or us.

He showed me the path
to righteousness.

- Lucas, look, I'm sure that
when he's quoting the Bible,

it sounds like he really
knows what he's talking about.

But you gotta trust me,
somebody uses God

as an excuse to commit crimes--
- You've got him all wrong.

- He told you to assault Ann.

- He saw Lydia with her!

He knew she was in trouble

and that we were out of time.
- So he ordered

it specifically--
- No, he saved me!

He's not the sinner, I am!

It was my penance!

- Penance? Penance for what?

- Ann didn't just confide in me
because we're friends.

We succumbed
to the same temptation.

I never--

I never got into
any trouble at school.

Reverend Gary
caught me one night

with a friend.

A boy.

- So Lucas is gay?
The Reverend caught him?

- That's what Lucas said.
Once the kid confessed,

he couldn't stop talking.
- The curative part

was supposed to go both ways.

On Lucas and on Ann.

- And he agreed to testify
against Gary,

maybe enough to charge him
as an accomplice.

- I found something else.

The church's bank statements.

Lucas said he was paid
a monthly stipend of $200.

- Yeah, that was for, you know,
maintenance, chores.

- Maybe, sure, but I found--

I mean, I found disbursements
for $200

for half a dozen other kids,
going back years.

- Lucas did say he wasn't
the only kid living there.

- If we can prove that
any of the other boys

working for Gary got paid
for curatively raping someone,

you've got sex trafficking.

- Yeah, but we can't know
without their cooperation.

- Well, Gary doesn't know that.

He doesn't know
what Lucas told us.

- Asset forfeiture laws
are very strong

under sex trafficking.

- Well, the church
has a lot to forfeit.

They've got hundreds of
thousands earmarked

for missionary work,
homeless shelters.

- Okay, let's hit this guy
where it hurts the most.

- Okay, so bring him in
and see if Gary

really is a man of God.

- It's not enough that
you turn Ann against me.

You perverted Lucas, too.

- You did that
all on your own, Gary.

- No, I was trying
to save their lives.

Their souls.
- They're kids,

with normal sexual desires,
but you made them feel like

they had the devil inside them.

- They do.
And it kills me.

You have no idea
how much I love them.

All I want to do is protect them

from the sins of the world,
from themselves.

- But you--you can't rape
the gay out of somebody.

Conversion therapy
doesn't work.

- But you're never gonna
believe that, are you?

- Guys, I hope we're not here
so you can try to

convince my client that his
religious beliefs are criminal.

- No. He believes what
he believes and we get that.

- What you had Lucas do to Ann,
that is a crime.

It's sex trafficking.

- Sex trafficking.
Come on.

- Come on? All right.

We found the payments.

Not just to Lucas,
but to the others, too.

And I promise you,
we're gonna talk

to every single one of them.
- The Lord Himself

sent those children to me
to save them.

- And you don't have
jurisdiction in Indiana.

- He's right, we don't.

But the Feds do.
And if we call them

on an interstate
trafficking case,

the first thing they're gonna do

is seize all
your church's assets.

Every single penny, gone.

- I have over 900 congregants
who raise money for the poor,

for disaster relief,
for missionary work.

We're good people.
- I agree.

Your church has done
some good things.

But the road to hell
is paved with good intentions.

And the road that
we're on right now,

every person you've ever
preached to will be tainted.

Everything you've ever built.

Everything that you've ever

worked for will vanish.

- Unless you make a deal.

You're gonna plead guilty.

- You know what?
I think we're done here.

- Wait.

The people that we help
don't deserve this.

My congregation
doesn't deserve this.

- Reverend, this is blackmail.

- No. This is my burden.

This is my church;
these are my people.

And if it means
I have to sacrifice myself

in order to save them,

then so be it.

- He's really going for it.

- I'll offer a plea
for facilitation.

As long as it stops that church
from conspiring to commit rape.

- Well, whatever
the judge gives him,

it'll give him plenty of time
to get right with God.

And Lucas?
- [sighs]

He held up his end
of the bargain.

Rape three.
One to four.

- Do you know what the most
frightening part

of all of this is?

It's that the Reverend
actually believes

that he's doing the right thing.

- Yeah. So do his congregants.

- Which is even more
frightening.

- How are you?

- Okay.

Praying a lot.

Ann, I'm so sorry.

I should've listened.

But questioning God--
- Is wrong, yeah.

Reverend Gary told me that, too.

But--

Maybe we have to
decide for ourselves

what--what God's saying.

- We don't get to decide
right from wrong.

- That's what you did
when I was with Lydia

in my hotel room.

I had a choice,
and you took it away.

Lucas, I forgive you.

But you can't change people.

Not like that.

God made us this way. How can we
be any less than perfect?

How can love--any love--
be wrong?

- Ann, it's time to go.
- [crying]

- Well, that certainly
couldn't have been easy.

- No, it wasn't.

- So, Ann, what will you do now?

- I have some cousins
in Denver I'm gonna stay with.

Figure things out.
- Good.

- I'm definitely not coming back
to New York anymore.

- And what about your parents?

- They're not ready yet.

Maybe they will be one day.

- You know, things get better.

They get easier with time.

- And with faith.