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-Do you believe that our government is in

possession of UAPs?

-Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses

over 4 years.

-It had no visible wings or any kind of engines...

-The United States government has gathered a great deal of

information about UAPs over many decades but has

refused to share it with the American people.

[Bill Nelson] So, we don't know what it is.

But it's something.

-The U.S. Navy has finally acknowledged that

videos appearing to show UFOS flying through

the air are real.

-We've seen testimony from pilots.

We've seen the videos.

We've heard from the witnesses that there is more to this.

-I think people who had the experiences and

seen things like I've seen,

they're an integral part of this entire phenomenon.

-As I first saw it, it came into view,

glinting off the horizon.

-We’re gonna get to the bottom of it dadgummit,

whatever the truth may be.

-But more and more researchers believe that we

won't get to the bottom of anything by

waiting for the government's help.

-It's an intelligence failure to not collect

the data and not believe it.

-I know how the government works.

They're not being fully open and transparent.

An object is seen to go into the water.

How about releasing that video that was leaked?

-We've made a lot of progress but we're

not there yet.

If we've learned anything over the last 70 years,

it's that scientific study of this phenomena will continue

whether the government wants it to or not.

-We're seeing these independent scientific groups,

that's where the action is.

And they're willing to dive into this subject and

really try to get some measurements.

-If we can gather enough information and data from these

phenomena we might be able to explain what

that technology is.

-Any life, happening anywhere else,

would be the most revolutionary discovery

in the history of humanity.

[♪ theme music playing]

-We get reports every night.

-I don't know what the hell it is.

-Rotating right around it.

[♪ theme music playing]

-I was flying home from Myrtle Beach

going into LaGuardia.

I was coming back from a cheer competition

with my daughter.

It was just pretty outside.

It was such a beautiful day out.

It was about 2:30.

I was looking at the bridge,

so I'm like, let's just take some videos.

And then I noticed this object going past really fast.

What is this?

That was really close to the plane.

I was honestly like alarmed with how close it was,

because what if that did hit the plane?

When I got home that night,

I looked back at the video and I just really

wanted to know what the object was.

When I first saw it,

I thought maybe a drone, possibly.

But it was so fast and so close to the plane,

that I'm like, there's no way it could be a drone.

My dad was in the Navy and when he saw it,

he didn't know what it was either.

He thought someone should be aware of it

in case it's a safety hazard.

He really encouraged me to send it to the FAA.

So that’s what I did.

And they haven't responded to me.

But I’m not this person that goes down this rabbit hole of

UFOs and trying to decipher what things are.

All I wanted was like an answer to what it could be.

I honestly don't know what it is til this day.

-What are we seeing up there?

I don't think there's going to be a singular answer.

But I am proceeding as if no one is going to tell us

anything and that we have to get our answers ourself.

I think that is the best path to lead us to real

answers in the future.

-If we really wanna solve the UAP problem,

we need new data collected by

scientists working independently.

And as scientists,

we are in a different position today.

The technology to develop your own independent UAP

search is available to anyone and it's affordable...

...makes this now in the domain of the

"everyman scientist" and not purely in the

domain of government.

-This is the essence of science. We have a question.

We need to go out and find the answer to that question,

and we have the instrument to do it.

-Oh my god. It's coming at us, dude.

[Mitch Randall] For many years,

there was no good data on tornadoes.

But we had an issue in how to predict where these

storms were going to be,

so in the nineties, we had an idea,

why don't we take our radar to the tornado?

We were at the point where we could miniaturize

the equipment and it all fit into a truck,

and we could drive that to

these rare weather events and get right in there and

get the data.

So that's where the idea of these storm-chasing

trucks came, and I was involved in that.

I'm Mitch Randall.

I'm an engineer and a physicist.

I've been interested in the UFO subject for decades.

I got involved with the Galileo Project,

which is a group of scientists who wanted to

do an investigation of UAP.

I knew the ideal tool for it would be radar.

Radar is a really ideal instrument for detecting

objects in the atmosphere at great distances.

It can measure,

quantitatively, the position and velocity of

objects in space.

So over the decades,

people have reported UFOs that make

these kind of crazy motions like that.

And so that's what we're looking for because airplanes

don't do that.

[Jacob Haqq Misra] Mitch Randall has developed a

passive radar approach to looking for UAP.

You're just looking for signals that might be

emanating from the object,

and based on that,

you can determine if there's something

anomalous going on.

[Mitch Randall] This is a passive radar receiver.

So this antenna picks up echoes that come off objects

in the sky,

and that signal that they're getting is coming from

an FM transmitter that's 30 miles south of here.

So suppose it's anytime, day or night,

and a UFO flies somewhere over in that area,

the signal from the FM transmitter will echo off of

the UFO and come here and get received by this antenna.

And then we'll be able to see where that is,

see what kind of velocity change it had,

and be able to track it.

Right now, I just have one proof of concept,

but my vision is to see thousands of them all

over the country.

If you're sitting in one place,

the chances of you seeing a UAP is maybe

not so big.

So we need some kind of like nationwide network that,

if an event occurs,

we got some instruments there to take that data.

The idea is that citizens would purchase a consumer product,

which they could easily operate and plug in just like

they plug in a printer and become part of

a big mesh network over the whole

continental United States.

And then this data from each one of these receivers

would be combined in a server that would figure out

the position of the objects being detected.

And then that would be served to the community.

[Jacob Haqq Misra] You can use machine learning algorithms

to sift through the mountains of data you're gonna

collect with these.

And so really,

you're looking at the sky all the time,

identifying all the things that are there and

see what's left over.

[Mitch Randall] I think this will answer such an important

question we’ve been asking for years and years and years.

I don’t know of any other scientific question

that has so little data, and is so profound.

[Leslie Kean] We don't know where they're from,

why they're here, who they are,

but they need to be studied.

We need to find out.

-The events being observed are real,

there's something behind it that's beyond

our technology development.

I'm Hal Puthoff.

I'm a quantum physicist,

PhD from Stanford University.

I set up EarthTech International and

the Institute for Advanced Studies in Austin.

UFOs have been a topic that's kind of been off-limits

and fringy and a lot of stigma associated with it.

I mean, there are still a lot of physicists who

think that most of the things that get, uh,

reported are nonsense or misidentifications and so on.

But nonetheless, over time we've been developing

better and better sensors.

So the stigma has reduced quite a bit,

due to this increase,

I would say, in scientific data collection.

So the general phrase is that two kinds of people...

...people who don't look into it and know it's nonsense,

and people who do look into it and know it's real.

-If you're seeing something in the sky with your eyes,

what if you can also actually measure it through a piece of

equipment that's not your eyes?

So, now you have a recording device that can accurately

determine what that object is and give you much

more solid information.

I was a mechanical engineer for almost 25 years.

When I transitioned into an area of fringe science,

I was very fortunate to land an internship at the

Institute for Advanced Studies

in Austin under Dr. Hal Puthoff.

Part of what I did was researching medical effects on

people spotting UFOs.

So we designed sensors that specifically looked

for radiation present when UAPs were there.

And then we also noticed other things were happening.

-Jim Segala has developed a sensor suite to measure

radioactivity in the vicinity where there are eyewitness

reports of UAP sightings.

-I have been studying the case of a resident in

New Hampshire who has been seeing UFOs behind his house

for the past two years.

These are the videos he recorded.

And you can see here where it starts splitting off.

Now there's three objects where it started off

as one object.

This is the original video that piqued his interest.

So he mounted a trail camera where he suspected

that these objects were happening.

And one of the videos is quite revealing.

The actual objects ended up appearing right

where those trees were.

And then he eliminated the possibility that it could be

just a natural phenomena or a human-made phenomena,

like airplanes, satellites, stars, drones and

things like that.

I suggested to this person that we need to understand

what's going on in the environment,

so we put a piece of equipment there that would look

at all sorts of different signals.

-So this device was designed specifically to identify the

signals present when UFOs fly by a particular area.

I put together as many possible signal sensors as I could.

One being a high-level camera that’s capable of

capturing visual and also infrared spectrums.

Then at the same time,

I can look for these electromagnetic signals

that come off of these UFOs.

All of those sensors are mounted and they go

to this computer here,

which then sends all that information over WiFi,

up to the cloud,

where you can view them and you can run it through

any kind of models and things like that.

-We put my device pretty close to his house.

And there was a big spike in some of the sensors that

indicated something was in the environment that was

making a lot of electro-magnetic noise.

One example is,

you have the magnetic vector getting hit.

Now the magnetic vector is the gravity.

It’s very difficult to do that.

You’d have to have some very very massive object,

like a moon or something like that to create this

kind of spike.

And it also happens with the Gyroscope sensor which

is the indication that these objects

were twisting around.

Those are just two examples.

The equipment collects data all day long.

I have algorithms that are looking at this.

And what this is allowing me to do is understand a

pattern as these anomalous events unfold.

So every time this individual sees a UFO it is

followed with some changes in the environmental signals.

Now I can see a correlation which gives me the ability to

start predicting some of these things.

[Leslie Kean] It's exciting that these independent people

are coming on board because they have a certain freedom to

explore and develop their own particular approach

to studying this UFO phenomenon.

But we're still left to wonder, what clues have already been

gathered by the one group that has been studying

UFOs since the beginning?

-The fundamental question is whether the US government

has at its possession materials or information.

If they do, I really wish that they would share it with

scientists like myself because the sky is not classified.

Our oceans are not classified.

If we do have a neighbor,

we'll have to find it ourselves.

-One of the very positive impacts of the last few years,

involving the government and UAP,

is that it has also made the issue more palatable for

the academic community and the scientific community.

But the scientific community needs scientific data

to do serious work.

And the government could be and should be

sharing more information

in its possession to facilitate that.

-The government has a legitimate interest in

protecting some classified information.

It has an interest in protecting the sources and

methods they use for collecting intelligence.

I'm a journalist.

I don't want people knowing my sources.

It's also the case that the intelligence community in

particular often overstates the risk to exposing sources and

methods that would come from being more transparent

about any number of topics with the public.

The government classifies way too much information.

-Congress has wanted the UAP subject investigated

to make sure that UAPs are not a threat to national security.

And that's why the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office was

created in July of 2022.

[Shane Harris] AARO is a government organization whose

job is to take all of the information that the government

is collecting on UAPs and try and figure out what it is.

[Robert Powell] AARO was supposed to look at the history

of the UAP subject from approximately 1945 up

until the modern period.

They were also supposed to look at any data that

has been hidden.

-February 2024,

AARO comes out with what I think is one of the

most important documents that the government has issued

about UFOs and UAPs in decades.

[anchor] And we have breaking news now,

a Pentagon review of decades of

government investigations into UFO sightings has

found no evidence any of those sightings

were extraterrestrial.

[reporter] They found no evidence to suggest that the

United States government or industry possesses

any alien technology.

[Robert Powell] The AARO report was missing some of

the most important sightings of the 21st century.

The November 14th, 2004 Nimitz case,

one of the most difficult cases to explain.

The same thing with the Gimbal incidents from the 2015

and 16 cases.

[Shane Harris] The big things that stood out to me

about the report was one, how emphatic it was,

which was to say no evidence that this is extraterrestrial,

which was a pretty declarative statement.

I will say that the report didn't read as much like

government reports that I'm used to seeing.

It was a bit more casually written.

And it didn't have tons and tons and tons of footnotes.

It wasn't a terribly long report.

[Robert Powell] AARO makes the point that the conclusions

are always the same.

That Project Blue Book,

the Robertson Panel of 1953,

and that the Condon Report of 1968,

all of these concluded that there was no evidence

of extraterrestrial intelligence.

And that's the main point that AARO's making.

-The bottom line takeaway was, "Nothing to see here."

But that flies in the face of very interesting comments from

the former director of that office.

-A very small percentage of UAP reports display signatures

that could reasonably be described as anomalous.

This is a spherical orb,

metallic, in the Middle East,

2022 by an MQ9.

This is a typical example of the thing that

we see most of.

We see these all over the world and we see

these making very interesting, apparent maneuvers.

This one in particular, however, I would point out,

demonstrated no enigmatic technical capabilities and was

no threat to airborne safety.

While we are still looking at it,

I don’t have any more data other than that.

-They literally said, we have these spheres moving

through our war theaters, what metal ball do you know

that flies around?

I don't know of any.

So that could pretty easily fall under the umbrella term of

a non-human intelligence.

[Robert Powell] In science, before you can make that

statement that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial

intelligence, you have to define,

what is the evidence we're looking for to determine

whether or not we've seen extraterrestrial intelligence.

[Garry Nolan] If you’re going to give a conclusion,

where is your data and what are your methods?

[Robert Powell] Science operates in the open.

We are never going to get an answer until we

work with science and not the intelligence or

military groups on the UAP subject.

-As a scientist, I don't need their permission to know

what I know.

I don't need their permission to collect data.

We should stop waiting for daddy government to make the

decision for us.

[Elizabeth Vargas] Avi Loeb is a Harvard theoretical

astrophysicist and professor of science.

[Chris Cuomo] Professor Loeb has just come back from a trip

that he says has advanced our understanding.

Doc, good to see ya. What did you find?

-Well, I found that it’s easier to recover the

truth about interstellar space from the bottom of the

Pacific Ocean than it is from government.

[Jacob Haqq Misra] Avi Loeb and his collaborators went on an

expedition in the Pacific, near Papua New Guinea,

where they thought that an

interstellar meteor crashed down into the ocean.

-In 2014, the US government satellites reported about an

object that collided with Earth.

Roughly a meter in size,

it originated from outside the solar system,

and it was unusual in that it was moving faster

than the speed necessary to escape

from the solar systems,

so in other words, that meant that it's

interstellar in origin.

[Jacob Haqq Misra] Serendipity, you know, anomalies,

these are the kinds of ways that we stumble

upon new discoveries in science.

Even if you're looking for something, uh,

you might find something a lot weirder than

you thought you were gonna find.

[Avi Loeb] So I decided to lead an expedition to

the Pacific Ocean to collect materials.

-Avi's expedition off Papua New Guinea was

really exciting because he was going after

the debris of the first-ever observed interstellar meteor.

[Avi Loeb] When meteors explode as a result of their

friction on air,

the fireball generated releases so much heat that it

melts their surface, creating spherules.

Spherules are molten droplets from the surfaces of meteors.

In the case of the interstellar meteor,

the amount of energy released was a few percent of the

Hiroshima atomic bomb energy,

and so we expected to find some spherules on

the ocean floor.

The Department of Defense localized the meteor impact site

to within seven miles.

[Tim Galludet] I’m an oceanographer and I reached out

to Avi and he welcomed me aboard.

I helped him determine how far those fragments drifted

through the atmosphere down to the sea surface.

I also gave him oceanographic information to help him

determine how far the materials drifted from the sea

surface to the sea floor.

[Avi Loeb] We built a sled designed by engineers that has

magnets on both sides that we placed on the ocean floor

and was able to collect magnetic particles leftover

from the explosion of the meteor.

-Avi brought this back and had several of his

collaborators analyze this,

and they found that there are chemical anomalies

in some of these spherules that they claim is different

from solar system composition.

[Avi Loeb] And the composition appears to be

different than anything that humans produce.

But it's also different from asteroids,

from rocks that previously were analyzed.

And so that raised the possibility that it may be

artificial in origin,

technological, a spacecraft.

[musical vocalizations]

-Avi Loeb and his collaborators went on an

expedition where they thought that an

interstellar meteor crashed down into the ocean.

What they found were spherules, very,

very tiny particles that are from a meteorite.

-We had to examine whether the relative abundances of

elements matches the pattern that one finds

in meteorites from the solar system or the Earth crust

or the moon or Mars.

And indeed we find that 10% of them,

out of the 850 spherules that we retrieved,

appear to have a composition that was never reported before

based on meteorites from the solar system.

It's the first time that humans put their hands on materials

from a big object that originated beyond

the solar system.

-The general consensus was that it was a meteorite,

but Avi Loeb speculated that it could potentially be

some kind of extraterrestrial technology

[Avi Loeb] It had material strength that was

tougher than iron.

And so that raised the possibility that it may be

artificial in origin, technological, a spacecraft.

-There was a lot of pushback about Avi Loeb's claim.

[Leslie Kean] Even though it was just an hypothesis,

it's just like people couldn't handle the possibility that

that would be the case.

[Jacob Haqq Misra] But to be honest,

this is how science works.

I don't even think this is a bad thing.

If you're going to make an extraordinary claim,

that is what a scientist should expect is to have

a lot of pushback.

-Scientists are terrible to each other because we

hold each other to such high standards.

Because that’s how science makes progress.

-I think altogether,

the criticism was not warranted, because in fact,

we did find materials of an unusual composition

that we believe originated from an interstellar meteor.

As to the question of whether it was natural or artificial,

the verdict will come from the bigger pieces that we find.

If we find bigger pieces,

it's easy to tell the difference between a

rock and a technological gadget because a gadget may

have buttons on it, for example.

And then the question would be whether we should

press a button.

-I think if you're really interested in looking for life

in the universe,

the right place to look is where the life comes from,

which is going to be alien planets.

-There are hundreds of billions of planets in existence

in just this galaxy alone.

Wouldn’t it be possible that some of those planets have

developed life to possibly as high as ours is,

and maybe even beyond?

[Jacob Haqq Misra] I'm an astrobiologist.

I think about life in the universe.

One possibility is to look far away,

to look at other planets orbiting other

star systems, exoplanets.

[Adam Frank] Scientists, including myself,

are studying the atmospheres of alien worlds

looking for things like biosignatures

and technosignatures.

Biosignatures are things that a biosphere produces, right?

So the best example is oxygen.

If you saw oxygen in a planet's atmosphere,

especially oxygen and methane at the same time,

that would be a pretty clear indication that there

was a biosphere there,

that there was life that was pushing that

oxygen and methane out into the atmosphere.

And then there's technosignatures,

which would be the signatures of technology on a planet.

[Jacob Haqq Misra] It could be a satellite belt

around a planet.

It could be pollution in the planet's atmosphere.

It could be radio waves directed toward Earth.

But we also can think about the possibility that

life on an exoplanet,

might send life or technology elsewhere

in the galaxy.

We have done this ourselves.

So we have to then ask ourselves if there's

extraterrestrial life out there and they're interested in

looking for other life, they would notice life on earth.

And they could theoretically do that too.

-But planets are far away.

The distances between the stars is psychotic.

So if we're going to think about how to

get between the stars, what are the options?

Einstein's theory of relativity tells us that space-time

itself is malleable.

What you're doing is you're bending space-time, right?

So if there's two points are very far away,

you kind of bring those two points together,

jump off and then unfold, fold space,

and then unfold it.

-Just to try to make this more physical,

you see a UFO coming along and then it suddenly

does a right-angle turn.

And people on the ground observing this,

they'll say, "Oh my God," you know.

"If there's anybody inside that craft,

they're gonna be squished like tomato sauce."

However, since space and time have been

re-engineered and manipulated in that situation,

time can be running much faster.

And so the people inside the spacecraft are looking

out the window,

and so they just take a nice leisurely turn.

-There's also the idea of wormholes that

maybe nature creates these shortcuts between stars.

That's an exciting idea.

-It isn't that it's necessarily beyond our physics.

It's certainly beyond our engineering.

But an advanced civilization may have figured a workaround.

[Leslie Kean] It's very important to be open to looking

at all possible explanations for the UFO phenomenon

because they all are gonna point us towards what the

ultimate nature of the phenomenon is and

what it actually means.

[Adam Frank] One possibility that people talk about

a lot is that, you know,

you can just give up on biology and

that anything we meet, anything that's traveling

between the stars is actually artificial intelligence,

that it's basically machines.

-I think the idea that they’re all drones is one people are

comfortable with because they don't have to go to

the next step of actually saying,

“Okay, wow, there are so-called aliens.”

Also, I’ll say existentially,

we have to be open to the idea that we might be dealing

with something that we would describe as very,

very inhuman in that it wouldn't be evolved.

It might be something described as more

machinic or non-organic.

It would be very dicey for us to interact with it.

-How is it that we've arrived at where we are and still

can't specifically say, where does it come from?

Who's behind it?

So I took that on as a challenge to say, oh,

maybe the problem is that we've narrowed our scope too much.

So, maybe there's some group that's,

uh, hidden out on, on the planet with

these advanced technologies.

[Jeffrey Kripal] If we believe that our reality is the story.

That the story we're in is in fact the way the

world really is.

And when something doesn't make sense,

that means that you're being pushed outside of your story.

The UFO phenomenon is trying to make us more aware

that the story you're in is actually not true,

that there's another kind of presence or another kind of

mind or another kind of life force that is active

in the world.

-Let's open our blinders a bit and not be afraid to

examine any potential hypothesis.

Yes, it could be E.T. coming from another

part of the galaxy, but what are the other options?

And so I wrote a paper called "Ultraterrestrials,"

which means that they're hidden out here.

Maybe there was some investigation of earth,

let's say millennia ago by some other species,

and maybe they have hidden bases on the ocean seabeds that

are very advanced.

We should be able to get data that either permits us

to accept or reject the hypothesis.

[Jacob Haqq Misra] What could be hiding in the ocean

is a big unknown.

The oceans are incredibly deep, vast,

incredibly difficult to get to the deepest parts,

and we are constantly surprised at what we discover

in the ocean.

[Garrett Graff] Several of the incidents that pilots

have come forward in recent years to talk about

have appeared to be objects that are either going

into the water or coming out of the water.

[reporter] Now we’re seeing leaked photos apparently taken

from US fighter jets showing a craft that military

pilots claim came popping out of the ocean and

then shooting straight up into the air.

[Lt. Ryan Graves] There have been reports that we've received

at Americans for Safe Aerospace

about unidentified submerged objects.

They can transition between various mediums

such as space, the atmosphere, or water,

apparently without any difficulty or change

in its flight mechanics.

It is harder to observe these and there's less

of an incentive to talk about it.

[Jacob Haqq Misra] There's a famous case of a USO

or an unidentified submerged object that was in a video.

And in this one,

you see an object that's hovering and

then seems to disappear into the ocean.

-The video from the USS Omaha off Southern California

in 2019 is from the Combat Information Center

that looks at radars and checks for incoming threats,

missiles or aircraft.

I like this video because the people on the ship,

they're all sailors.

So it catches their attention 'cause it doesn't look like

anything else they track,

and they've had a lot of experience looking at things

that they can't explain.

-It splashed! -It splashed!

Mark bearing range.

-The drop in speed is very minimal as it moves

into the water.

So that, that is very unusual.

The key difference between a USO and for example,

typical type of drones that we've developed and some

of our adversaries have developed is that

as the USO enters the water,

there is very little interaction with the water.

[Tim Gallaudet] It does lead you to wonder, well,

if there are these objects, where are USOs coming from?

Is there undersea infrastructure that

they reside in?

So why not be looking at our sea floor for evidence

of their origin?

-Our ocean floors are an enormous mystery to us,

just as much of a mystery as are some of the moons

orbiting some of the planets in our solar system.

And we have very little knowledge about

all that's going on in that other world.

[Tim Gallaudet] We have not explored even 5% of

the ocean volume.

And we've only mapped about 25% of the global seafloor.

So there's that much we don't know nothing about.

The US has a very active ocean exploration program,

the Okeanos Explorer,

NOAA's dedicated ocean exploration ship.

They collect all sorts of images and video of sea life,

geological features.

They're identifying new species every year.

They've done thousands of hours of exploration and

what they came across on the seafloor,

were these rows of holes that look entirely manmade.

And they were a little over 2,000 meters

deep on the seafloor.

They were centimeters in size,

and they looked very perfect geometrically.

It looks almost like you took a rake and just like

dug it into the water and it created holes

into something below.

The scientists onboard the ship,

they had no explanation for these.

I think we need a national program to research USOs.

We're keeping our mind open,

our aperture open for USO activity because

what is it, what are we seeing?

That's the big question 'cause we still don't know.

[Michelle Reyes] When I say, "I think it may be a UFO,"

I don't think it's something like from

out of this world really.

I just don't know what it is.

But I also think that if they ever did find like

life out there or something like that,

I think, I don't know,

I don't think I'd be like surprised but I think it would

be really scary but I also think it's naive to think that

we are like the only ones out there.

-As a personal matter, I believe that there are

non-human forms of intelligence in the universe,

I just, that doesn't strike me as a remotely

controversial proposition.

But my job as a journalist is not to just

believe something is true, I want evidence that it's true.

And one of the reasons that I like writing about UAPs and

writing about what the government is doing to research

UAPs is the government knows an awful lot about stuff

that is flying around in the air or that is under the water.

I have not seen any evidence that extraterrestrials

have visited the earth that convinces me

that it's true.

That doesn't mean I don't believe it,

I just haven't seen the evidence for it.

[Adam Frank] Every 10 years,

astronomers get together and they decide what's the most

important questions we want to ask over the next ten,

20 years, and what kind of zillion-dollar

telescope do we want NASA to build?

And in 2020, the leading project was something called

the Habitable World's Observatory.

It’s going to be a telescope that is going to be designed to

find life on distant alien worlds.

And what that means is astrobiology is going to be

one of the leading concerns for astronomers.

It is a very exciting time.

-I don't think that physics or history or literature or

biology is gonna give us our answers.

I think all of it together needs to create

some new order of knowledge,

some other way of ordering higher education

around this topic to even begin to get at this question.

[Marik Von Rennenkampff] The UFO topic is remarkably complex.

There is the nuts and bolts aspect where I'm more

comfortable as kind of a

national security-focused analytic mind.

But there's also the consciousness side

of it that deserves,

I believe, deep, objective, unbiased analysis.

-There's a lot of people that are telling the

same things about what these things might be.

And I think it's important to look into it

from the human side too,

because it's all part of the bigger picture.

And it's important to the answer we're going to get.

-As human beings,

we've had a couple of really large revolutions

in our psychology.

We had in the 1500s, the Copernican Revolution,

which took us out of the center of the universe,

the Geocentric Model.

The Darwinian Revolution in the 1800s,

which was man as related to animals.

And then the Freudian Revolution in the 1900s where

we really understood that there are unconscious

motives and drives that can determine human behavior.

And it strikes me that, at this moment in time,

we're at another point of a massive revolution

where for eons,

we all look up into the sky and wonder, are we alone?

We're on the cusp of a deeper understanding of our

place in the cosmos.

-Imagine what's going to happen when we find,

if we find, that there's life in the universe.

If we find life anywhere else,

it means that we're actually part of a

galactic community of life.

And that changes everything about who

we think we are, what we think we are,

what we think our future might be,

that I think it would really force us to rewrite

philosophies and religions and politics.

-I think what excites me most about being involved

with this topic is just the mystery of it and the

intense curiosity that I have about wanting

to understand our world, our reality.

And this is part of that.

It's part of the unseen world out there

that we don't comprehend, but it's very, very real.

So what does that tell us about who we are

as human beings?

That's a very profound question for me.

-Why it was so impactful to me.

I have a profound thought of humanity and how-manity,

humanity has to act to survive.

And sometimes I'm really frustrated by that.

I'm frustrated that people don't take the time to think

about what's beyond the earth,

what's beyond the stars, what's out there?

How can we get there?

And I just see all the hate in the world.

And I think that's what probably bothers me more than

having an alien put his hand on my shoulder.

[Peter Skafish] We need to be thinking about what the

meaning of this is for different parts of humanity.

I personally would find it very irresponsible to be

working on this professionally, in a political capacity,

in an intellectual capacity,

and to not think that going beyond war,

going beyond a global condition in which we have

children who are not educated,

who are not fed, not having a world in which

human rights are respected.

You know, if we don't care about those things,

then who cares about UAP?

[Jacob Haqq Misra] Let's say we do a comprehensive search

and we find nothing.

All we find is evidence that this is it.

All we have is life on Earth,

and it's just dead out there in space.

No life, no technology, nothing.

Well, that just makes this all the more special.

If this is what we have,

if this is what life is in the universe,

then we have an even greater challenge to protect this life,

to preserve it, maybe even to spread it

elsewhere in space.

So either way, this is a really important question.

And the fact that we can answer this question with science...

...is, I think, a reason that we should

put resources into trying

to answer this question with science.