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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:39,165 --> 00:00:41,167 [pensive music playing] 4 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:44,396 [man 1] I'm a big believer in negotiations. 5 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:46,065 Nobody outsmarts anybody. 6 00:01:46,148 --> 00:01:50,486 The idea that you can manipulate somebody in a negotiation is an illusion. 7 00:01:51,862 --> 00:01:56,033 And yet, at the crunch point, it's ultimately about a manipulation 8 00:01:56,117 --> 00:01:58,244 because you're trying to convince the other side: 9 00:01:58,327 --> 00:02:00,538 "I can do X, but I can't do Y." 10 00:02:00,621 --> 00:02:03,541 And the other side has to believe that's not a manipulation. 11 00:02:03,624 --> 00:02:05,584 They have to believe that's real. 12 00:02:05,668 --> 00:02:08,337 And the only way you get to that point is by establishing 13 00:02:08,420 --> 00:02:13,551 a relationship of credibility and trust with who it is you're negotiating. 14 00:02:16,011 --> 00:02:18,305 You can't ignore the human factor. 15 00:02:18,889 --> 00:02:21,892 Someone who has the human touch treats someone else with respect. 16 00:02:21,976 --> 00:02:25,729 Someone who has the human touch doesn't think they'll outsmart anybody. 17 00:02:26,647 --> 00:02:30,276 Someone who has the human touch will fulfill the empathy role. 18 00:02:38,576 --> 00:02:40,828 The essence of empathy is the capacity 19 00:02:40,911 --> 00:02:43,038 to put yourself in somebody else's shoes. 20 00:02:43,122 --> 00:02:45,833 And what you're trying to do as a mediator is, 21 00:02:45,916 --> 00:02:49,753 first, to get each side to adjust to a reality, 22 00:02:49,837 --> 00:02:53,632 and the reality is they're not gonna get what they need addressed 23 00:02:53,716 --> 00:02:56,260 unless they will address the needs of the other side. 24 00:03:00,014 --> 00:03:03,100 [man 2] In the Middle East, the challenge is building bridges 25 00:03:03,184 --> 00:03:04,810 between different cultures. 26 00:03:04,894 --> 00:03:07,605 And the most important tool is language 27 00:03:07,688 --> 00:03:10,065 because diplomacy is all about language. 28 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:12,318 It is the art of using language. 29 00:03:12,401 --> 00:03:16,488 It's the power of the word and the notion behind the word. 30 00:03:17,573 --> 00:03:21,160 For example, when you talk about the possibility of peace 31 00:03:21,243 --> 00:03:23,329 and you talk about the future, 32 00:03:23,412 --> 00:03:27,833 actually, the word "future" in the minds of the Arabs 33 00:03:27,917 --> 00:03:30,794 is different than the word "future" when we talk about it. 34 00:03:30,878 --> 00:03:33,464 When we talk about the future, we mean the future. 35 00:03:33,547 --> 00:03:35,758 When the Arabs talk about the future, 36 00:03:35,841 --> 00:03:40,262 they are talking about fixing the injustice of the past. 37 00:03:40,346 --> 00:03:42,097 Then you can talk about the future. 38 00:03:42,181 --> 00:03:46,101 We talk about the future, assuming that, okay, let's forget about the past 39 00:03:46,185 --> 00:03:50,189 because tomorrow should be better, and tomorrow is what we're talking about. 40 00:03:50,272 --> 00:03:51,941 That's not the way it works. 41 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,281 I have served about seven Secretary of States. 42 00:03:59,365 --> 00:04:01,200 Maybe eight. I have to count. 43 00:04:01,283 --> 00:04:03,452 And four American presidents. 44 00:04:04,119 --> 00:04:08,123 The Middle East peace is always a very attractive proposition. 45 00:04:08,207 --> 00:04:09,625 It's a very sexy topic. 46 00:04:09,708 --> 00:04:11,961 I cannot think of a Secretary of State 47 00:04:12,044 --> 00:04:14,755 that did not want to get involved in the Middle East. 48 00:04:14,838 --> 00:04:18,550 And by the way, all of them think they can reinvent the wheel, 49 00:04:18,634 --> 00:04:21,220 and all of them think that they can 50 00:04:21,303 --> 00:04:25,307 sort of, like, ignore history and start fresh. 51 00:04:25,391 --> 00:04:28,644 It will never happen in the Middle East. The Middle East is all about history. 52 00:04:28,727 --> 00:04:31,438 That is part of the problem. That is the curse. 53 00:04:44,827 --> 00:04:46,829 [jazz music playing] 54 00:04:58,549 --> 00:05:03,846 It's gonna take some really good-faith, affirmative effort 55 00:05:03,929 --> 00:05:06,557 on the part of our good friends in Israel. 56 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,685 Everybody over there should know 57 00:05:09,768 --> 00:05:16,275 that the telephone number is 1-202-456-1414. 58 00:05:16,358 --> 00:05:18,861 When you're serious about peace, call us. 59 00:05:20,487 --> 00:05:23,449 [man 3] Jim Baker was by far, head and shoulders, 60 00:05:23,532 --> 00:05:27,036 the most effective Secretary of State with whom I worked 61 00:05:27,119 --> 00:05:30,039 because of the degree to which he understood 62 00:05:30,122 --> 00:05:32,958 how to manipulate and use power. 63 00:05:34,710 --> 00:05:37,212 He and President George H.W. Bush 64 00:05:37,296 --> 00:05:39,131 were long-standing friends, 65 00:05:39,214 --> 00:05:41,633 so Baker had an incredible asset 66 00:05:41,717 --> 00:05:43,635 to be able to walk into a room, 67 00:05:43,719 --> 00:05:47,514 and you literally are walking in as the United States of America. 68 00:05:50,851 --> 00:05:54,646 [man 1] It was the spring of 1991. 69 00:05:54,730 --> 00:05:56,690 It's the end of the Cold War. 70 00:05:57,399 --> 00:06:00,611 We were the only superpower after the Gulf War. 71 00:06:00,694 --> 00:06:03,155 It was difficult for anybody to be saying no to us, 72 00:06:03,739 --> 00:06:06,992 so I feel like there's a possibility to do something 73 00:06:07,076 --> 00:06:08,786 with Arabs and Israelis. 74 00:06:09,745 --> 00:06:11,747 [pensive music playing] 75 00:06:17,961 --> 00:06:20,172 [Kurtzer] It was early June of 1991 76 00:06:20,255 --> 00:06:24,218 where Baker thought after about three or four trips 77 00:06:24,301 --> 00:06:27,304 that he had reached a point where he could, uh, 78 00:06:27,388 --> 00:06:29,556 form the Israeli-Arab conference. 79 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,102 And he sent a letter to the Israeli Prime Minister Shamir 80 00:06:33,185 --> 00:06:36,146 and to the Syrian leader, President Assad, 81 00:06:36,230 --> 00:06:40,442 asking them to say yes to the idea of a conference leading to negotiations. 82 00:06:41,026 --> 00:06:44,321 They both basically said no, they weren't gonna do it. 83 00:06:44,405 --> 00:06:46,448 [indistinct chatter] 84 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,244 [man 1] Yitzhak Shamir was someone 85 00:06:50,327 --> 00:06:53,622 who was profoundly distrustful of the Arabs. 86 00:06:53,705 --> 00:06:55,916 He felt every step was a risk. 87 00:06:55,999 --> 00:06:58,127 He saw no benefit from his steps. 88 00:07:00,379 --> 00:07:04,675 [Shamir] The land of Israel, from the sea to the river, 89 00:07:04,758 --> 00:07:06,343 it's my dream. 90 00:07:07,261 --> 00:07:09,012 I am fighting for it. 91 00:07:10,097 --> 00:07:13,058 His concern was that Israel might have to give up something. 92 00:07:13,142 --> 00:07:16,854 That's the last thing he ever wanted to do, give up anything. 93 00:07:18,397 --> 00:07:21,483 The Syrian president Assad, from his side, 94 00:07:21,567 --> 00:07:25,320 had a very traditional Arab concern, and that was: 95 00:07:25,404 --> 00:07:28,240 "Should we be making peace with Israel at all?" 96 00:07:28,323 --> 00:07:32,828 [in Arabic] We will keep fighting for a just peace based on the return 97 00:07:32,911 --> 00:07:37,332 of all Arab lands occupied in 1967 and the return of citizenship rights 98 00:07:37,416 --> 00:07:40,502 to the Palestinian people. 99 00:07:41,086 --> 00:07:44,756 [Kurtzer] Baker was able to stare down Shamir and Assad. 100 00:07:45,591 --> 00:07:48,051 We called him a consummate actor. 101 00:07:49,094 --> 00:07:51,889 And what we meant by that was that he could walk into a room, 102 00:07:51,972 --> 00:07:56,101 sense what needed to be done and what attitude to put on 103 00:07:56,185 --> 00:07:58,187 and how to work the other side. 104 00:07:59,897 --> 00:08:01,732 [man 2] I remember when President Assad 105 00:08:01,815 --> 00:08:05,819 was saying that American forces can play a role 106 00:08:05,903 --> 00:08:08,989 in pushing the Israeli forces, uh, 107 00:08:09,072 --> 00:08:10,491 outside the Golan Heights. 108 00:08:10,574 --> 00:08:15,370 He knew that wouldn't happen, but he thought he could throw it in. 109 00:08:16,497 --> 00:08:18,916 [man 4] We were watching from behind the curtain, 110 00:08:18,999 --> 00:08:21,919 and we could see Baker's frustration was rising. 111 00:08:22,002 --> 00:08:26,590 He got so upset, and he said the following to Assad: 112 00:08:27,716 --> 00:08:29,176 "Yeah, Mr. President? 113 00:08:29,259 --> 00:08:31,595 And if a frog could fly, 114 00:08:31,678 --> 00:08:34,515 it wouldn't drag its balls on the ground either." 115 00:08:36,391 --> 00:08:39,078 [Helal] I looked at him and said, "Do you want me to interpret this?" 116 00:08:39,102 --> 00:08:41,230 He said, "No, I think they got the message." 117 00:08:43,732 --> 00:08:45,192 See, in the Middle East, 118 00:08:45,275 --> 00:08:48,570 all sides would love to take America for a ride. 119 00:08:48,654 --> 00:08:52,824 There is the tendency that somehow maybe you can fool the Americans. 120 00:08:52,908 --> 00:08:57,496 Secretary Baker was willing to tolerate some of that 121 00:08:57,579 --> 00:08:58,914 but not all of it. 122 00:09:01,041 --> 00:09:03,544 [man 1] So we have gotten Syrian acceptance 123 00:09:03,627 --> 00:09:04,795 for going to a conference, 124 00:09:04,878 --> 00:09:09,424 and after we get Syrian acceptance of it, then Shamir says to Baker: 125 00:09:09,508 --> 00:09:12,094 "Assad only said yes because he thought I would say no." 126 00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:16,265 Baker says, "That's right, so prove him wrong." 127 00:09:16,348 --> 00:09:19,560 [Baker] If we can create a process... So I hope to make new progress. 128 00:09:19,643 --> 00:09:21,645 [camera shutters clicking] 129 00:09:25,857 --> 00:09:28,694 [Miller] After that trip, Baker told me, in his Texas accent: 130 00:09:28,777 --> 00:09:32,114 "In my next life, I wanna be a Middle East negotiator like you 131 00:09:32,197 --> 00:09:35,784 'cause I'll be guaranteed a permanent source of employment." 132 00:09:37,744 --> 00:09:39,997 [man 5] Secretary Baker is in Jerusalem today, 133 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,417 facing the challenge of forming a Palestinian delegation. 134 00:09:43,500 --> 00:09:46,420 Any delay will be a major setback to Baker's plans 135 00:09:46,503 --> 00:09:49,631 for an historic Israeli-Arab peace conference. 136 00:09:49,715 --> 00:09:53,594 In his final effort to bring all parties to the negotiating table, 137 00:09:53,677 --> 00:09:57,097 Baker will meet with leaders from the occupied territories 138 00:09:57,180 --> 00:10:00,267 without the green light of the PLO's leader in exile, 139 00:10:00,350 --> 00:10:01,977 Chairman Yasser Arafat. 140 00:10:06,481 --> 00:10:08,567 [Helal] Arafat was the Palestinian cause. 141 00:10:08,650 --> 00:10:10,193 He was the conductor, 142 00:10:10,277 --> 00:10:13,905 and he basically was the number one, two and three 143 00:10:13,989 --> 00:10:15,616 on the Palestinian side. 144 00:10:16,366 --> 00:10:18,619 The United States and Israel were the last two countries 145 00:10:18,702 --> 00:10:21,246 who did not deal over the years with Arafat 146 00:10:21,330 --> 00:10:24,458 because we saw Arafat as a terrorist. 147 00:10:24,541 --> 00:10:28,086 At the same time, the whole world recognized Arafat, 148 00:10:28,170 --> 00:10:32,007 and he was treated everywhere as a head of state. 149 00:10:32,090 --> 00:10:34,051 [speaking in Arabic] 150 00:10:34,134 --> 00:10:36,887 I said, and I say again, 151 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:41,308 that if the representatives on the conference 152 00:10:41,391 --> 00:10:44,811 will say that they speak 153 00:10:44,895 --> 00:10:47,731 on behalf of the PLO, 154 00:10:47,814 --> 00:10:50,317 we will not speak with them. 155 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:51,610 [speaking indistinctly] 156 00:10:51,693 --> 00:10:54,905 [Kurtzer] So Baker is dealing with this ad hoc group, 157 00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:57,741 and they were in a very challenging position 158 00:10:57,824 --> 00:11:02,996 because they were representing the PLO, but they couldn't say they were. 159 00:11:03,997 --> 00:11:07,334 [Miller] We were sitting there in our consulate in East Jerusalem, 160 00:11:07,417 --> 00:11:12,547 and the PLO would not provide the names of the delegation. 161 00:11:12,631 --> 00:11:18,804 And Baker made it very clear that his frustration was rising. 162 00:11:18,887 --> 00:11:20,722 He pulled us aside and he said: 163 00:11:20,806 --> 00:11:24,559 "I'm gonna slam my notebook shut, I'm walking out of this room, 164 00:11:24,643 --> 00:11:26,770 and you'll orchestrate this for me." 165 00:11:26,853 --> 00:11:28,897 So in the middle of the conversation, 166 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:31,900 bam goes the notebook, out goes Baker 167 00:11:31,983 --> 00:11:34,236 and the Palestinians are stunned. 168 00:11:34,986 --> 00:11:38,532 Both Dennis and I said, "Do you realize what's just happened? 169 00:11:38,615 --> 00:11:40,867 The Secretary of State of the United States of America 170 00:11:40,951 --> 00:11:43,912 has just vacated the room, he's gonna take a walk." 171 00:11:43,995 --> 00:11:45,372 They got on the phone, 172 00:11:45,455 --> 00:11:48,500 they called Tunis, Arafat gave the okay, 173 00:11:48,583 --> 00:11:53,296 Baker came back, and like a football coach in a huddle, 174 00:11:53,380 --> 00:11:55,924 put his arms around the Palestinians. 175 00:11:56,591 --> 00:11:59,928 I'm sitting there, watching this whole thing, just amazed 176 00:12:00,011 --> 00:12:04,307 at how a guy understands how to use his own persona 177 00:12:04,391 --> 00:12:05,517 and theater. 178 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,602 [camera shutters clicking] 179 00:12:09,521 --> 00:12:13,567 The bus is not gonna come by again, 180 00:12:14,609 --> 00:12:18,071 and Palestinians have more to lose in its absence 181 00:12:18,155 --> 00:12:19,823 than do anybody else. 182 00:12:19,906 --> 00:12:21,908 [bells tolling] 183 00:12:25,162 --> 00:12:27,164 [upbeat music playing] 184 00:12:38,216 --> 00:12:40,886 [Helal] It was history in the making. 185 00:12:41,678 --> 00:12:44,181 The idea of breaking through that taboo 186 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:48,185 and have all the Arabs and Israelis together was unbelievable. 187 00:12:58,820 --> 00:13:02,949 [Kurtzer] For the peace team, the conference was actually unimportant 188 00:13:03,784 --> 00:13:05,285 because it was a show. 189 00:13:05,368 --> 00:13:09,372 [Bush] A Middle East where young people no longer have to dedicate... 190 00:13:09,456 --> 00:13:11,041 [Kurtzer] What was important was, 191 00:13:11,124 --> 00:13:14,252 would there be the beginning of bilateral negotiations 192 00:13:14,336 --> 00:13:16,379 the next day after the conference? 193 00:13:18,089 --> 00:13:21,301 [Baker] If you would like me to, I'll tell you a little bit... 194 00:13:21,384 --> 00:13:23,845 We have to crawl before we walk, 195 00:13:23,929 --> 00:13:26,515 and we have to walk before we run, 196 00:13:27,224 --> 00:13:31,978 and today I think we all began to crawl. 197 00:13:32,562 --> 00:13:35,106 [Kurtzer] We got on the plane, we were exhausted, 198 00:13:35,190 --> 00:13:38,485 and Baker came to our area in the airplane, 199 00:13:38,568 --> 00:13:43,824 and he said to us that he would probably be going back to the White House 200 00:13:43,907 --> 00:13:46,117 to help the president get reelected, 201 00:13:46,201 --> 00:13:47,702 which he did that summer. 202 00:13:48,245 --> 00:13:51,832 But he said, "Once the president is reelected, 203 00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:55,335 I'm coming back to the State Department, and we'll start signing peace treaties." 204 00:13:57,504 --> 00:13:59,297 And then there were elections. 205 00:14:00,131 --> 00:14:02,092 The good news was that, uh, 206 00:14:02,634 --> 00:14:06,596 Mr. Rabin won the Israeli election in June of '92, 207 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:08,807 and the other news was that, uh, 208 00:14:08,890 --> 00:14:13,270 Mr. Bush lost the election in November of '92, 209 00:14:13,353 --> 00:14:14,980 which we didn't know at the time, 210 00:14:15,063 --> 00:14:19,901 but it was to usher in a very different period ahead. 211 00:14:19,985 --> 00:14:21,444 Dan Rather reporting. 212 00:14:21,528 --> 00:14:25,198 It appears a major change is coming in the government of Israel 213 00:14:25,282 --> 00:14:29,744 that could have far-reaching consequences for the Middle East and world peace. 214 00:14:29,828 --> 00:14:32,247 A big victory for the Labor Party, 215 00:14:32,330 --> 00:14:35,041 led by former prime minister Yitzhak Rabin. 216 00:14:35,125 --> 00:14:39,129 Rabin has promised to break the logjam in peace talks with Arabs. 217 00:14:40,589 --> 00:14:44,217 Let's shift the confrontation to negotiation. 218 00:14:45,385 --> 00:14:48,013 Let's solve it not by using stones 219 00:14:48,096 --> 00:14:51,725 but around the negotiation table. 220 00:14:51,808 --> 00:14:55,478 [man 6] Israelis decided today to take risks and make compromises, 221 00:14:55,562 --> 00:14:58,106 to perhaps change the map of their country, 222 00:14:58,189 --> 00:15:00,984 in an effort to make peace with their neighbors. 223 00:15:07,574 --> 00:15:10,201 [man 1] After the election, I was coming to Israel. 224 00:15:10,285 --> 00:15:14,247 I go and I see Rabin on a Friday afternoon. 225 00:15:14,831 --> 00:15:17,167 And it's a couple hours before Shabbat, 226 00:15:17,250 --> 00:15:19,628 and I say to him, "What are your plans?" 227 00:15:19,711 --> 00:15:23,632 He says, "Look, I wanna go for a full deal with the Palestinians." 228 00:15:23,715 --> 00:15:26,885 And so I said, "How do you plan to go about it?" 229 00:15:26,968 --> 00:15:30,013 He says, "I'm not gonna rush into it. I have to lay the groundwork. 230 00:15:30,096 --> 00:15:32,474 But, you know, I'm confident I can do it 231 00:15:32,557 --> 00:15:36,353 because I have all my boys around me here in the military." 232 00:15:37,103 --> 00:15:41,524 I said, "Is it that important to have your guys in the military around you?" 233 00:15:41,608 --> 00:15:44,486 He says, "I have to have that." I said, "Why?" 234 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:48,323 He said, "When I take the steps that we'll have to take 235 00:15:48,406 --> 00:15:52,827 to resolve this with the Palestinians, I'm afraid we could have a civil war, 236 00:15:52,911 --> 00:15:55,330 and I need to have my guys. 237 00:15:55,914 --> 00:15:58,625 You know, they trust me, and I trust them. 238 00:15:58,708 --> 00:16:02,128 - And I need them when I face that." - [interviewer] Whoa. 239 00:16:02,212 --> 00:16:04,631 I'll tell you, it was a wow for me too. 240 00:16:04,714 --> 00:16:06,299 He used "civil war." 241 00:16:06,383 --> 00:16:10,095 I said, "I don't... I don't fully know what that means." 242 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,764 But, I mean, he expects 243 00:16:12,847 --> 00:16:16,393 there's gonna be full-born battles internally within Israel. 244 00:16:16,476 --> 00:16:18,478 [suspenseful music playing] 245 00:16:23,316 --> 00:16:25,986 [man 7] When Bill Clinton was elected president, 246 00:16:26,069 --> 00:16:28,863 he asked me to go in with him to the White House 247 00:16:28,947 --> 00:16:31,700 to be his Middle East adviser. 248 00:16:31,783 --> 00:16:35,370 And I told him, "Everything is coming together in a way 249 00:16:35,453 --> 00:16:37,247 that you will have a chance 250 00:16:37,330 --> 00:16:40,417 to achieve four peace agreements in your first term." 251 00:16:41,126 --> 00:16:43,503 And he looked at me, and said, "I want to do that." 252 00:16:46,715 --> 00:16:48,967 [Clinton] Security conditions that in my judgment are... 253 00:16:49,050 --> 00:16:52,095 [Kurtzer] The first visit of Rabin to the United States, 254 00:16:52,178 --> 00:16:54,222 he has his meetings with the president 255 00:16:54,305 --> 00:16:56,641 and Warren Christopher, the Secretary of State. 256 00:16:56,725 --> 00:17:00,228 But he also asks for a meeting with the peace team 257 00:17:00,311 --> 00:17:04,149 without the Secretary of State, just with us, which was very unusual. 258 00:17:05,025 --> 00:17:09,279 And what we heard was a Rabin monologue. 259 00:17:10,113 --> 00:17:13,783 He spent an inordinate amount of time thinking out loud 260 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:17,996 of why the Palestinian delegation to the peace talks 261 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,582 was not empowered to make decisions, 262 00:17:20,665 --> 00:17:24,085 and therefore there would be no progress, 263 00:17:24,169 --> 00:17:27,797 why Yasser Arafat and the PLO 264 00:17:27,881 --> 00:17:29,883 had the power to make decisions, 265 00:17:29,966 --> 00:17:31,634 but he didn't trust them. 266 00:17:33,595 --> 00:17:38,391 He basically said to us, "No Palestinians can make any decisions without the PLO." 267 00:17:38,933 --> 00:17:40,727 Which meant... 268 00:17:40,810 --> 00:17:43,605 We actually asked him, "Does that mean you'll deal with the PLO?" 269 00:17:43,688 --> 00:17:44,689 He says, "No." 270 00:17:45,398 --> 00:17:48,485 I remember leaving that breakfast saying, "He's gonna deal with the PLO. 271 00:17:48,568 --> 00:17:50,111 Not now but it's coming." 272 00:17:50,195 --> 00:17:52,197 [suspenseful music playing] 273 00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:57,202 [Indyk] The policy from the American point of view was Syria first, 274 00:17:57,285 --> 00:17:58,369 for several reasons. 275 00:17:58,453 --> 00:18:01,664 The issues were relatively uncomplicated. 276 00:18:01,748 --> 00:18:06,127 The Golan Heights was not a simple issue, but it was just a territorial issue. 277 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,380 Palestinians, on the other hand, 278 00:18:09,464 --> 00:18:13,009 had the PLO as their supposed sole legitimate representative. 279 00:18:13,093 --> 00:18:15,178 We had no ability to deal with the PLO. 280 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:18,473 We had legislation that was up to here 281 00:18:18,556 --> 00:18:22,435 on preventing any kind of official engagement with the PLO. 282 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:25,355 It was a terrorist organization on our terrorist list. 283 00:18:25,438 --> 00:18:28,024 And Secretary of State Christopher believed 284 00:18:28,108 --> 00:18:31,653 that there was a chance to make an Israeli-Syrian peace deal. 285 00:18:33,530 --> 00:18:35,930 [Ross] Warren Christopher and I, we were going out to Israel. 286 00:18:36,699 --> 00:18:40,912 We get into a meeting, and Rabin wants only the two of us, 287 00:18:40,995 --> 00:18:43,039 not the rest of the American delegation. 288 00:18:43,123 --> 00:18:46,835 And he says, "I want now to go for a deal with Syria. 289 00:18:46,918 --> 00:18:49,963 Let's see if Assad is prepared to do it. 290 00:18:50,046 --> 00:18:53,007 I'm prepared to put in your pocket, not to give to him. 291 00:18:53,091 --> 00:18:55,552 It has to be completely secret. 292 00:18:55,635 --> 00:18:58,138 If it comes out now, I'll deny it." 293 00:18:58,221 --> 00:19:02,475 But he says he's prepared to commit to full withdrawal from the Golan Heights. 294 00:19:05,478 --> 00:19:06,896 [Indyk] So we had in our pocket 295 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:09,732 the critical ingredient for a peace deal, 296 00:19:09,816 --> 00:19:13,153 that Israel was ready to withdraw from the Golan Heights. 297 00:19:13,778 --> 00:19:15,363 But Rabin said, "It's in your pocket. 298 00:19:15,446 --> 00:19:19,576 You can't take it out of your pocket until Assad meets my requirements 299 00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:23,329 for security arrangements, normalization and real peace." 300 00:19:29,502 --> 00:19:30,920 [Ross] When we get to Damascus, 301 00:19:31,004 --> 00:19:33,590 we ask Assad to have a one-on-one meeting, 302 00:19:33,673 --> 00:19:36,092 but Assad wanted to have two on his side. 303 00:19:37,927 --> 00:19:40,054 And I remember saying to Assad: 304 00:19:40,138 --> 00:19:41,639 "Rabin has made it clear, 305 00:19:41,723 --> 00:19:44,434 if this leaks out, he denies it ever existed." 306 00:19:44,517 --> 00:19:48,313 And Assad said, "Anyone who would leak this 307 00:19:48,396 --> 00:19:51,357 would be damaging Syria's national interests, 308 00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:53,693 and they know what the consequences are 309 00:19:53,776 --> 00:19:56,196 for damaging Syria's national interests." 310 00:19:56,279 --> 00:19:59,032 He said it just that way. It was chilling. 311 00:19:59,949 --> 00:20:02,118 I mean, it was really chilling. 312 00:20:04,954 --> 00:20:08,791 Then we talk about the pocket and it becomes clear pretty quickly, 313 00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:11,753 he's taken what's in our pocket and he's prepared to pocket it, 314 00:20:11,836 --> 00:20:15,256 and now what is important to Rabin is negotiable. 315 00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:17,091 What he got, he got. 316 00:20:17,675 --> 00:20:23,223 And so he wants to know why Rabin wants five years for the time of withdrawal. 317 00:20:23,306 --> 00:20:24,140 And normalization? 318 00:20:24,224 --> 00:20:27,393 He doesn't like the term "normalization." Normal peaceful relations. 319 00:20:27,477 --> 00:20:30,188 Everything is kind of grudging. 320 00:20:32,982 --> 00:20:36,236 When we come back and present to Rabin what was the discussion, 321 00:20:36,319 --> 00:20:39,030 and by definition, we put the best face on it. 322 00:20:41,241 --> 00:20:46,537 [Kurtzer] Rabin was furious at us for mishandling the deposit. 323 00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:52,877 Because Rabin gives this extraordinary commitment to Christopher, 324 00:20:53,503 --> 00:20:56,172 does not want Christopher to give it to Assad, 325 00:20:56,256 --> 00:20:59,050 wants Christopher to put it in his pocket, 326 00:20:59,133 --> 00:21:02,178 and wants Christopher to elicit from Assad 327 00:21:02,262 --> 00:21:04,305 a parallel commitment, 328 00:21:04,389 --> 00:21:06,516 which he puts in his other pocket, 329 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:08,851 and then at some point takes the two out and says: 330 00:21:08,935 --> 00:21:12,647 "Hey, folks, we have a conceptual agreement." 331 00:21:12,730 --> 00:21:16,818 And instead, Christopher gives away the Israeli bottom line. 332 00:21:16,901 --> 00:21:18,903 [dramatic music playing] 333 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,033 [Indyk] It's just worth noting how skillful Rabin was 334 00:21:24,117 --> 00:21:26,035 with outmaneuvering everybody. 335 00:21:28,288 --> 00:21:31,874 He said to us after we came back from Damascus 336 00:21:31,958 --> 00:21:33,960 that we needed to keep working it. 337 00:21:34,669 --> 00:21:39,048 He went out in the press conference and said, "Good news from Damascus." 338 00:21:39,132 --> 00:21:43,636 You have brought good news. It's only the beginning. 339 00:21:44,721 --> 00:21:48,349 [Indyk] When he said it, I looked at Dennis, said, "What is he doing?" 340 00:21:48,433 --> 00:21:52,520 We didn't know that at the same time there was an official negotiation 341 00:21:52,603 --> 00:21:54,731 between Israel and the PLO in Oslo. 342 00:21:54,814 --> 00:21:59,277 So we didn't understand that Rabin was pressuring Arafat at that point. 343 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:01,863 It was only discovered afterwards. 344 00:22:01,946 --> 00:22:05,825 Dan Kurtzer said to us, "I heard that the Oslo deal is completed." 345 00:22:05,908 --> 00:22:09,120 And we said, "Oh, yeah, sure, of course," you know. 346 00:22:09,203 --> 00:22:12,206 I've been much impressed with the serious engagement 347 00:22:12,290 --> 00:22:14,208 of all the parties we've been meeting with... 348 00:22:14,292 --> 00:22:18,629 [Indyk] It suited him to act as if there was real progress on the Syrian track 349 00:22:19,339 --> 00:22:22,842 because the more it looked like the Syrian track was moving, 350 00:22:22,925 --> 00:22:25,928 the more Arafat would feel he better move, 351 00:22:26,012 --> 00:22:27,096 or Assad... 352 00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,682 And Assad and Arafat were sworn enemies. 353 00:22:29,766 --> 00:22:31,726 Or Assad was gonna steal a match on him. 354 00:22:32,894 --> 00:22:35,980 And so we went all off for our summer holidays, 355 00:22:36,064 --> 00:22:39,859 and Dennis calls me from San Francisco. 356 00:22:39,942 --> 00:22:43,321 He says, "Pack your bags." It was the middle of the night. 357 00:22:43,404 --> 00:22:47,116 "We're gonna have a ceremony at the White House, uh, 358 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,452 for an Israeli-Palestinian agreement." 359 00:22:50,828 --> 00:22:52,246 I was in shock. 360 00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:55,416 I said, you know, "You've gotta be joking." 361 00:22:56,501 --> 00:23:00,254 Rabin and Peres went off, essentially behind our backs, 362 00:23:00,338 --> 00:23:02,465 did the deal with the Palestinians. 363 00:23:02,548 --> 00:23:04,550 [dramatic music playing] 364 00:23:08,388 --> 00:23:11,557 [Ross] Peres comes to see us with the declaration of principles. 365 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:15,895 While we've been getting the briefing, I'm also going through it. 366 00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:32,078 When I finish, Christopher says, "What do you think?" 367 00:23:32,620 --> 00:23:36,082 And I said, "I think two very different things. 368 00:23:36,165 --> 00:23:38,501 First, this is a historic breakthrough. 369 00:23:38,584 --> 00:23:42,046 These are two national movements competing for the same space. 370 00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:44,298 They haven't been prepared to recognize each other. 371 00:23:44,882 --> 00:23:48,803 And here's a document that has them recognizing each other. 372 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:51,013 And we should embrace it." 373 00:23:55,101 --> 00:23:58,855 Then I said to him, "But it's aspirational. 374 00:23:58,938 --> 00:24:01,774 Nothing is concrete here. 375 00:24:01,858 --> 00:24:04,235 So the real hard work will begin now. 376 00:24:04,318 --> 00:24:06,821 But a historic threshold is being crossed 377 00:24:06,904 --> 00:24:09,449 because you're taking what was an existential conflict 378 00:24:09,532 --> 00:24:11,576 and you're turning it into a political conflict. 379 00:24:11,659 --> 00:24:12,785 That's huge." 380 00:24:12,869 --> 00:24:15,705 Christopher said, "The president will love this." 381 00:24:21,586 --> 00:24:22,586 Morning. 382 00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:26,424 Ladies and gentlemen, 383 00:24:27,967 --> 00:24:32,054 today marks a shining moment of hope for the people of the Middle East 384 00:24:32,138 --> 00:24:34,390 and indeed of the entire world. 385 00:24:34,474 --> 00:24:36,434 The Israelis and the Palestinians 386 00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:39,353 have now agreed upon a declaration of principles, 387 00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:42,273 on interim self-government that opens the door 388 00:24:42,356 --> 00:24:45,776 to a comprehensive and lasting settlement. 389 00:24:45,860 --> 00:24:49,155 The signing ceremony will take place at the White House on Monday. 390 00:24:52,158 --> 00:24:54,869 [woman 1] For Yasser Arafat, the invitation to Washington 391 00:24:54,952 --> 00:24:59,332 is the culmination of years of struggle to gain international acceptance. 392 00:24:59,415 --> 00:25:01,792 When he steps out to the White House lawn on Monday, 393 00:25:01,876 --> 00:25:05,546 he hopes to shake off his guerrilla past once and for all. 394 00:25:09,091 --> 00:25:11,469 The president asked me to find out 395 00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:15,306 whether Rabin would agree to shake Arafat's hand. 396 00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:19,352 So I went to Eitan Haber, Rabin's chief of staff. 397 00:25:19,435 --> 00:25:22,730 And he said, "Well, Rabin agrees to shake his hand, 398 00:25:22,813 --> 00:25:25,274 but he has three conditions. 399 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:26,858 No gun, 400 00:25:27,276 --> 00:25:28,444 no uniform 401 00:25:29,111 --> 00:25:30,196 and no kissing." 402 00:25:31,531 --> 00:25:33,241 [upbeat music playing] 403 00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:35,117 [man 8] PLO leader Yasser Arafat 404 00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:37,578 arrived here in Washington, D.C. this afternoon. 405 00:25:37,662 --> 00:25:40,665 He is scheduled to take part in tomorrow morning's signing ceremony 406 00:25:40,748 --> 00:25:42,875 for the Middle East peace agreement. 407 00:25:43,417 --> 00:25:45,628 We'll now take a look at his arrival. 408 00:25:48,506 --> 00:25:51,175 We went to see Arafat, tried to convince him 409 00:25:51,259 --> 00:25:55,096 and persuade him that he simply cannot carry a gun. 410 00:25:55,179 --> 00:25:59,016 So he wanted to say, "Can I have the holster without the gun?" 411 00:25:59,100 --> 00:26:01,435 And we said, "That won't work either." 412 00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:06,315 [Indyk] The kissing issue, I delegated to Ed Djerejian, 413 00:26:06,399 --> 00:26:11,737 who was the one who had to go out to Andrews Air Force Base to greet Arafat. 414 00:26:11,821 --> 00:26:16,409 And I said, "You've got to figure out a way to stop Arafat from kissing you. 415 00:26:16,492 --> 00:26:20,913 Because if he kisses you, the game's up. He'll end up kissing everybody." 416 00:26:20,997 --> 00:26:24,417 So Ed figured out a way to shake hands with Arafat 417 00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,627 where he shook hands with one hand 418 00:26:26,711 --> 00:26:31,465 and held him at arm's length with the other on his bicep, 419 00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:34,343 and it looked like it was a warm embrace. 420 00:26:35,511 --> 00:26:41,517 The next morning, we coached the president on how to do this double-handed handshake. 421 00:26:42,184 --> 00:26:45,104 I have this wonderful photograph of him practicing 422 00:26:45,187 --> 00:26:47,857 with the national security adviser, Tony Lake. 423 00:26:50,985 --> 00:26:54,530 So the kissing was solved. The question then was the uniform. 424 00:26:55,323 --> 00:26:59,160 And Arafat always wore this, what looked like a uniform. 425 00:26:59,243 --> 00:27:02,413 He never was seen in anything else. It was part of his image. 426 00:27:03,539 --> 00:27:07,084 So I talked to Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador, 427 00:27:07,168 --> 00:27:09,378 and Bandar went to Arafat and said: 428 00:27:09,462 --> 00:27:12,340 "You cannot come to the ceremony in a uniform. 429 00:27:12,423 --> 00:27:15,926 And I have arranged for my tailor to be at your hotel room. 430 00:27:16,010 --> 00:27:20,389 He will make you a beautiful suit that you'll be able to wear tomorrow." 431 00:27:20,473 --> 00:27:22,183 So Arafat says, "Oh, okay." 432 00:27:22,266 --> 00:27:26,145 And they go to his hotel room, and there's the tailor. 433 00:27:26,228 --> 00:27:32,151 Arafat take off his uniform and put on this suit coat, 434 00:27:32,234 --> 00:27:35,863 at which point everybody bursts out laughing. 435 00:27:35,946 --> 00:27:37,782 As soon as they laughed at him, 436 00:27:37,865 --> 00:27:41,535 he realized that this was gonna be humiliation for him. 437 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,623 He said, "Forget about it." Sent the tailor and Bandar away. 438 00:27:45,706 --> 00:27:48,042 But Bandar never called me and told me. 439 00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:50,044 So the next morning, 440 00:27:50,127 --> 00:27:54,382 when Arafat and Rabin are supposed to be on their way to the White House, 441 00:27:55,091 --> 00:27:57,718 and there's a phone call from Eitan Haber, 442 00:27:57,802 --> 00:28:02,431 saying, "Rabin is watching Arafat get into his limousine, 443 00:28:02,515 --> 00:28:05,976 and he's wearing a uniform, and Rabin is not coming." 444 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,646 I got the Situation Room to track down Bandar, 445 00:28:08,729 --> 00:28:11,982 who was at that moment in the car with Arafat. 446 00:28:12,525 --> 00:28:15,069 I said, "He's not wearing a uniform, is he?" 447 00:28:15,152 --> 00:28:16,862 And Bandar says: 448 00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:19,281 "Uh... 449 00:28:20,074 --> 00:28:21,409 It's a safari suit." 450 00:28:23,911 --> 00:28:26,288 I said, "Safari suit? Oh, okay. 451 00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:28,624 Are there medals on this safari suit?" 452 00:28:28,708 --> 00:28:31,627 He says, "No, no. No medals, no medals." 453 00:28:33,587 --> 00:28:36,006 So I get Eitan on the other line. 454 00:28:36,090 --> 00:28:38,175 He said, "Wait a minute." He goes, comes back. 455 00:28:38,259 --> 00:28:40,094 He says, "All right. Rabin is coming." 456 00:28:42,763 --> 00:28:44,640 - [man] How are you, sir? - How are you? 457 00:28:48,686 --> 00:28:50,688 [indistinct chatter] 458 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:06,370 [Ross] Arafat is beaming. 459 00:29:06,454 --> 00:29:08,789 For him, he's arrived. 460 00:29:08,873 --> 00:29:11,834 He's at the White House. The world is watching him. 461 00:29:11,917 --> 00:29:14,503 You know, he's just beaming. He's happy. 462 00:29:17,965 --> 00:29:22,511 - [Rabin] It's going to be very difficult. - [Clinton] Look, we've just got to try... 463 00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:25,723 [Ross] The president, when he's alone with him, says, "We need a handshake." 464 00:29:25,806 --> 00:29:29,185 And Rabin is like, just, you know, his... 465 00:29:29,268 --> 00:29:33,689 He can't hide how uncomfortable he is. 466 00:29:35,524 --> 00:29:37,735 This was emotionally wrenching for Rabin, 467 00:29:37,818 --> 00:29:40,821 knowing he was going to have to shake Arafat's hand. 468 00:29:43,908 --> 00:29:46,076 [man 9 over PA] Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Arafat, 469 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,831 chairman of the Executive Council of the Palestine Liberation Organization, 470 00:29:50,915 --> 00:29:54,585 His Excellency Yitzhak Rabin, prime minister of Israel, 471 00:29:54,668 --> 00:29:56,754 the president of the United States. 472 00:29:56,837 --> 00:29:58,255 [crowd applauding] 473 00:30:00,341 --> 00:30:06,096 [in Arabic] I want to promise the Israeli people and its leadership, 474 00:30:06,180 --> 00:30:12,770 I am sure that the difficult decision we reached together 475 00:30:13,354 --> 00:30:17,858 was one that required great and exceptional courage. 476 00:30:18,609 --> 00:30:24,740 We will need more courage and determination 477 00:30:24,824 --> 00:30:30,162 to continue the course of building coexistence and peace between us. 478 00:30:34,208 --> 00:30:37,127 [Rabin] Let me say to you, the Palestinians, 479 00:30:37,211 --> 00:30:41,841 we, the soldiers who have returned from battles, 480 00:30:41,924 --> 00:30:43,717 stained with blood, 481 00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:47,680 we, who have come from a land 482 00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:50,641 where parents bury their children, 483 00:30:51,267 --> 00:30:53,978 we say to you today, 484 00:30:54,061 --> 00:30:57,356 in a loud and a clear voice, 485 00:30:57,439 --> 00:31:01,110 enough of blood and tears. 486 00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:02,278 Enough. 487 00:31:02,361 --> 00:31:04,363 [crowd applauding] 488 00:31:06,282 --> 00:31:08,284 [all cheering] 489 00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:23,132 [pensive music playing] 490 00:31:36,437 --> 00:31:38,731 [Ross] I went to see Arafat in Tunis. 491 00:31:39,773 --> 00:31:41,233 I go into his office. 492 00:31:41,317 --> 00:31:44,695 I walk in, and the guys around him are sitting there, 493 00:31:44,778 --> 00:31:46,947 watching the TV show The Golden Girls. 494 00:31:47,031 --> 00:31:51,160 [on TV] Stan and I went through a period where we had no marital relations. 495 00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:53,370 I totally cut off his sex. 496 00:31:53,454 --> 00:31:56,290 - You mean, it grows back? - [laughter on TV] 497 00:31:56,373 --> 00:31:58,334 [Ross] The Golden Girls is an American show. 498 00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:00,544 They're effectively Jewish, and they live in Miami. 499 00:32:04,006 --> 00:32:06,175 I turn to the people with me, I go: 500 00:32:06,258 --> 00:32:10,679 "These guys are revolutionaries, and they're watching The Golden Girls?" 501 00:32:10,763 --> 00:32:13,265 Arafat comes in, apologizes for being late. 502 00:32:14,516 --> 00:32:17,895 And it begins what is a tradition. 503 00:32:17,978 --> 00:32:19,980 Every meeting with him is a meal. 504 00:32:20,981 --> 00:32:23,400 And the first entrée is not only chicken, 505 00:32:23,484 --> 00:32:25,486 but he insists on cutting my chicken for me. 506 00:32:25,569 --> 00:32:28,906 I said, "The last person who cut my meals for me was my mother. 507 00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:30,366 It's been a long time." 508 00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:32,368 I was thinking, I'm watching The Golden Girls, 509 00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:35,704 he's cutting my meal, there's a Jewish mother syndrome here. 510 00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:38,165 But what I see in this first meeting 511 00:32:38,248 --> 00:32:41,710 is that Arafat has a completely different concept 512 00:32:41,794 --> 00:32:43,671 of what the Oslo agreement is. 513 00:32:45,673 --> 00:32:48,592 Everything that he discussed is about independence 514 00:32:48,676 --> 00:32:50,177 and the symbols of independence. 515 00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:53,472 So I immediately see that there's a huge conceptual gap 516 00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:54,974 between the two sides. 517 00:32:59,311 --> 00:33:00,938 [Helal] For the Palestinians, 518 00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:07,111 the Oslo agreement was supposed to be an interim short period 519 00:33:07,194 --> 00:33:10,531 that would lead them to establish their own states. 520 00:33:10,614 --> 00:33:14,743 And on the Israeli side, it was a testing period, if you will. 521 00:33:14,827 --> 00:33:18,372 If you do one, two, three, we might give you four, five, six. 522 00:33:18,455 --> 00:33:19,999 If you don't, we will halt. 523 00:33:20,082 --> 00:33:22,543 It was based, like many other agreements, 524 00:33:22,626 --> 00:33:26,839 on that diplomatic tool called "constructive ambiguity." 525 00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:30,759 I think it should be called "destructive ambiguity" 526 00:33:30,843 --> 00:33:32,720 because sooner or later, 527 00:33:33,345 --> 00:33:35,848 the points of differences will come back to haunt you. 528 00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:41,186 Uh, I remember at one point, President Assad of Syria said: 529 00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:46,066 "Every line of that agreement needs a thousand page to explain it." 530 00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:58,245 There was ambiguity about what the endgame was going to look like. 531 00:33:58,787 --> 00:33:59,997 It didn't spell out 532 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,834 what the ultimate resolution of the conflict would look like. 533 00:34:03,917 --> 00:34:07,588 These two negotiating partners were in different universes. 534 00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:11,842 Arafat was never a negotiator. 535 00:34:11,925 --> 00:34:17,139 And for him, the breakthrough of getting recognition of the PLO 536 00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:19,933 meant that everything else was unimportant. 537 00:34:20,017 --> 00:34:22,478 And I think it is right that he believed 538 00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,189 that over time, things would develop his way. 539 00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:27,941 And as a result of this position, 540 00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:32,237 he got a very weak Swiss cheese declaration. 541 00:34:37,284 --> 00:34:39,203 So from the Israeli perspective, 542 00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:43,040 it was a significant negotiating victory 543 00:34:43,123 --> 00:34:45,292 because Rabin and Israel 544 00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:49,254 didn't have to face any of the issues that were hard for them. 545 00:34:49,838 --> 00:34:53,008 No mention of Jerusalem. No mention of settlements. 546 00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:56,553 No mention of territorial jurisdiction. 547 00:34:56,637 --> 00:35:00,140 And no mention of a state as an outcome. 548 00:35:03,477 --> 00:35:07,606 The Oslo agreement is not an agreement that we would have negotiated. 549 00:35:07,689 --> 00:35:10,692 It left too much to an implementation process 550 00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:15,614 in which both sides were able to basically not fulfill their obligations, 551 00:35:15,697 --> 00:35:20,202 and that really ate away at the core of the bargain. 552 00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:22,287 [dramatic music playing] 553 00:35:24,873 --> 00:35:27,501 [man 10] A settler opened fire with an automatic rifle 554 00:35:27,584 --> 00:35:30,337 in a crowded mosque in the West Bank town of Hebron. 555 00:35:30,921 --> 00:35:34,758 At least 4 0 Palestinians were killed, scores more wounded. 556 00:35:34,842 --> 00:35:36,677 [man 11] The aftermath of a house of prayer 557 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,554 transformed into a slaughterhouse. 558 00:35:38,637 --> 00:35:41,265 [man 12] The killer, an American-born Jew, Baruch Goldstein... 559 00:35:41,348 --> 00:35:43,642 People who know him say he was dead set 560 00:35:43,725 --> 00:35:46,270 against the Israeli-PLO peace process, 561 00:35:46,353 --> 00:35:50,190 filled with hate for Arabs and out for revenge. 562 00:35:50,274 --> 00:35:54,194 The Goldstein massacre was the equivalent of a heart attack for the Oslo process. 563 00:35:54,862 --> 00:35:58,407 After that, the Israelis were constantly buffeted 564 00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:59,908 by suicide bombings. 565 00:36:03,203 --> 00:36:07,082 [man 13] A bomb blast in central Tel Aviv has killed more than 20 people. 566 00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:10,294 There'd be a terrorist attack that would take place while we were sleeping. 567 00:36:10,377 --> 00:36:13,505 I would wake up, drive straight into work, 568 00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:15,424 get on the phone with Dennis on the way in, 569 00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:18,594 and we'd talk about what is it now we can do 570 00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:21,221 to try to get the process back on track? 571 00:36:29,771 --> 00:36:31,607 [Ross] We do the first implementing agreement 572 00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:34,484 with the Palestinians on May 4th, the Gaza-Jericho Agreement. 573 00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:38,030 What it means is you're gonna have the Palestinian Authority 574 00:36:38,113 --> 00:36:40,032 set up in Gaza and in Jericho. 575 00:36:42,993 --> 00:36:45,495 We have a three-way meeting, 576 00:36:45,579 --> 00:36:48,373 and we resolve what is the two final issues. 577 00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:52,878 One has to do with the size of the Jericho district, 578 00:36:52,961 --> 00:36:55,005 and the other has to do with the Allenby Bridge, 579 00:36:55,088 --> 00:36:57,633 whether or not the Palestinians can have a policeman there. 580 00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:02,179 And in each case, Rabin agrees that he will consider each of these issues. 581 00:37:02,262 --> 00:37:05,057 He won't agree to it now, but he agrees that he'll consider them, 582 00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:07,017 and that's good enough for Arafat. 583 00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,230 Then at 2 in the morning, suddenly, Arafat raises those same two issues again, 584 00:37:11,313 --> 00:37:13,607 and Amnon Shahak starts to laugh. 585 00:37:15,025 --> 00:37:17,152 And Arafat says, [as Arafat] "Am I a joke? 586 00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:19,071 Do you think I'm a joke?" 587 00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:22,366 [in normal voice] And Rabin puts his hands up like this 588 00:37:22,449 --> 00:37:25,869 and says, "No, we take you very seriously." 589 00:37:27,246 --> 00:37:28,247 Just like that. 590 00:37:29,623 --> 00:37:31,959 And you could see it calms Arafat down. 591 00:37:33,502 --> 00:37:35,504 [sirens wailing] 592 00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:42,594 [man 14] Israel's fragile peace process with the PLO 593 00:37:42,678 --> 00:37:45,389 suffered a major blow today, one that even... 594 00:37:45,472 --> 00:37:48,267 [woman 2] Dozens of Israeli soldiers were at this bus stop 595 00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,060 at about 9:30 a.m. 596 00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:52,980 when a suicide attacker detonated the first bomb. 597 00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:56,066 [man 15] Two militant Muslim groups, which oppose the peace process, 598 00:37:56,149 --> 00:37:59,444 Islamic Jihad and Hamas, claimed responsibility. 599 00:38:01,113 --> 00:38:03,907 [man 16] At midday, Prime Minister Rabin visited the site 600 00:38:03,991 --> 00:38:07,327 and was loudly heckled by onlookers calling him a traitor 601 00:38:07,411 --> 00:38:09,830 for pursuing peace with the Palestinians. 602 00:38:09,913 --> 00:38:11,623 [all clamoring] 603 00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:16,920 [in Hebrew] Rabin is a murderer! Rabin is a murderer! 604 00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:18,755 Rabin is a murderer! 605 00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:20,716 [ominous music playing] 606 00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:23,135 One Shabbat afternoon, I'm with him. 607 00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:28,098 And there was a demonstration outside of his apartment, you know, in Tel Aviv. 608 00:38:28,682 --> 00:38:30,475 He was on the top floor and... 609 00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:32,561 We're sitting there, you could hear it. 610 00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:36,857 [in Hebrew] Traitor! Traitor! Traitor! Traitor! Traitor! 611 00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:39,860 And he can tell I'm a little bit distracted by it, 612 00:38:39,943 --> 00:38:44,990 and he says, "Dennis, don't worry. It's not about you. It's about me." 613 00:38:45,073 --> 00:38:50,120 [crowd in Hebrew] Traitor! Traitor! Traitor! Traitor! Traitor! 614 00:38:50,787 --> 00:38:53,832 Yeah, we're working hard. We're gonna continue to keep working hard. 615 00:38:53,915 --> 00:38:56,752 Things looks quite tough, Mr. Ross. 616 00:38:56,835 --> 00:39:00,297 [crowd in Hebrew] Rabin is a murderer! Rabin is a murderer! 617 00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:03,717 Rabin is a murderer! Rabin is a murderer! 618 00:39:10,349 --> 00:39:13,894 [Ross] I was increasingly worried about the stability of Rabin's government. 619 00:39:14,478 --> 00:39:16,605 I saw what the mood in Israel was. 620 00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:19,941 I saw a mood that was increasingly ugly. 621 00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:23,153 I was worried about what was happening with Israel. 622 00:39:23,236 --> 00:39:26,782 I was worried about the strength of the right. 623 00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:32,412 [in Hebrew] Arafat's victory march into the Palestinian territories 624 00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:36,500 is the height of humiliation and an absurd parade. 625 00:39:37,584 --> 00:39:42,506 [crowd in Hebrew] Rabin is a traitor! Rabin is a traitor! 626 00:39:43,673 --> 00:39:46,927 [Ross] It made me think of what Rabin had said to me, 627 00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:49,137 that the potential for a civil war was there. 628 00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:53,183 [in Hebrew] Through blood and fire, we'll get rid of Rabin! 629 00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:01,483 [Ross] There's a point at which Arafat does a serious set of arrests. 630 00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:04,152 He doesn't just arrest a lot of people and then release them. 631 00:40:04,236 --> 00:40:07,489 He does a serious set of arrests, and he keeps it this way for a while. 632 00:40:09,366 --> 00:40:12,744 Rabin says to me, "Arafat is doing things that are hard for him." 633 00:40:12,828 --> 00:40:16,331 He says, "I know I have to give up more than the other side. 634 00:40:16,415 --> 00:40:19,292 I need to know they're prepared to do things that are hard for them." 635 00:40:23,964 --> 00:40:25,966 The closer we get to the interim agreement, 636 00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:30,053 the more he begins to say to me that Arafat is actually taking steps, 637 00:40:30,137 --> 00:40:32,973 and I can see that something changes in the relationship. 638 00:40:33,849 --> 00:40:35,851 [suspenseful music playing] 639 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,067 [Indyk] September '95 was when Arafat, Rabin, 640 00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:47,320 Mubarak, and King Hussein of Jordan 641 00:40:47,404 --> 00:40:49,156 all came to Washington 642 00:40:49,823 --> 00:40:52,868 for the signing ceremony of the Oslo II agreement. 643 00:40:55,287 --> 00:40:58,290 This was a moment when the Israelis and Palestinians 644 00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:00,083 put together the Oslo II Accord, 645 00:41:00,167 --> 00:41:02,085 which was immensely complicated 646 00:41:02,169 --> 00:41:06,339 because it provided for the establishment of the Palestinian Authority, 647 00:41:06,423 --> 00:41:09,885 and giving it control, in effect, sovereignty, 648 00:41:09,968 --> 00:41:12,596 over 40% of the West Bank. 649 00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,974 The major towns and cities of the West Bank 650 00:41:16,057 --> 00:41:19,644 would come under Arafat's control, so it was a big deal. 651 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,233 [Ross] It meant at the time 652 00:41:25,317 --> 00:41:28,612 that the core of a state in the West Bank was now going to exist. 653 00:41:28,695 --> 00:41:30,697 [Rabin speaking indistinctly] 654 00:41:31,781 --> 00:41:35,619 I also saw something change in the relationship between these two men. 655 00:41:36,369 --> 00:41:39,247 Rabin's approach to Arafat was totally different. 656 00:41:39,873 --> 00:41:42,209 Here, he's at ease with Arafat. 657 00:41:43,502 --> 00:41:47,756 In fact, there's a moment before the deal is concluded 658 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,801 where the leaders are all sitting together in the Oval Office, 659 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,932 and I get a message from outside that the negotiators need to see me. 660 00:41:57,015 --> 00:41:58,975 So I go outside the Oval Office, 661 00:41:59,059 --> 00:42:00,977 and they're saying, "We have one last issue. 662 00:42:01,061 --> 00:42:02,354 It has to do with the location 663 00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:07,150 of a whether or not the Palestinians will have a police station near Hebron." 664 00:42:07,234 --> 00:42:10,654 And they said, "We can't resolve this. Only the leaders can resolve it." 665 00:42:10,737 --> 00:42:13,698 So I go back in, and in front of everybody, I say: 666 00:42:13,782 --> 00:42:18,411 "Look, Mr. President, I need to borrow the prime minister and the chairman." 667 00:42:18,495 --> 00:42:20,497 [tranquil music playing] 668 00:42:21,414 --> 00:42:23,291 The president has, next to the Oval Office, 669 00:42:23,375 --> 00:42:26,628 a small dining room, so we go over there. 670 00:42:28,255 --> 00:42:29,965 And I explain the issue. 671 00:42:39,516 --> 00:42:42,227 And before Rabin can say anything, 672 00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:45,814 Arafat says, "What's ever acceptable to the prime minister." 673 00:42:47,232 --> 00:42:48,232 Just like that. 674 00:42:50,527 --> 00:42:52,571 And Rabin looks at me, looks at him, and he says: 675 00:42:52,654 --> 00:42:54,406 "We will have a police station there." 676 00:42:55,657 --> 00:42:58,326 And they shake hands, and that was it. 677 00:43:07,127 --> 00:43:08,211 [camera shutter clicks] 678 00:43:08,628 --> 00:43:11,673 [Indyk] Arafat and Rabin left the room. 679 00:43:12,257 --> 00:43:17,345 Arafat put his arm across Rabin's back. 680 00:43:19,347 --> 00:43:22,267 And I thought that really captured that moment 681 00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:26,771 where they had moved from being adversaries to partners in peace. 682 00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:38,950 That night, there was a reception 683 00:43:39,034 --> 00:43:41,620 for the Arab American and American Jewish communities 684 00:43:41,703 --> 00:43:44,706 at the Corcoran Gallery across from the White House, 685 00:43:45,373 --> 00:43:48,960 and Arafat gave a very reasonable speech. 686 00:43:49,711 --> 00:43:52,422 This was a speech about his Jewish cousins 687 00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:54,966 and how peace was necessary. 688 00:43:55,634 --> 00:43:58,803 And Rabin then got up, and he said, "You know, Mr. Chairman..." 689 00:43:58,887 --> 00:44:03,058 In our tradition, there is a saying that, uh... 690 00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:05,685 What is a Jewish sport? 691 00:44:06,645 --> 00:44:07,979 Speechmaking. 692 00:44:08,063 --> 00:44:10,065 [audience laughs] 693 00:44:11,483 --> 00:44:14,944 I start to believe, Chairman Arafat, 694 00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,406 that you are close to be Jewish. 695 00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:20,325 [audience laughing] 696 00:44:22,661 --> 00:44:24,704 But then Rabin went on to say, 697 00:44:26,206 --> 00:44:28,625 for the first time, "The Palestinians need a state." 698 00:44:28,708 --> 00:44:31,628 He had never said that. It wasn't in the Oslo Accords. 699 00:44:31,711 --> 00:44:33,213 "Need a state of their own, 700 00:44:33,296 --> 00:44:37,676 so that we can separate out of respect, 701 00:44:37,759 --> 00:44:39,052 not out of hatred." 702 00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:51,231 On the 4th of November, I had taken one of my kids to the doctor. 703 00:44:52,065 --> 00:44:57,487 And I was on the way back, um, from the doctor, and I got paged. 704 00:44:58,988 --> 00:45:01,950 And I said, "Well, I'll... It's... 705 00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:05,120 I'm ten minutes from home, so I'll just call in when I get home." 706 00:45:05,704 --> 00:45:07,497 Debbie, my wife, when I walked in the door, 707 00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:09,124 said, "Rabin's been shot." 708 00:45:10,583 --> 00:45:11,751 And I said, "What?" 709 00:45:14,170 --> 00:45:15,171 Um... 710 00:45:17,799 --> 00:45:19,008 So I, uh... 711 00:45:23,304 --> 00:45:25,265 I called, um... 712 00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:30,395 I called in immediately, and then as soon as I called in, I mean... 713 00:45:31,146 --> 00:45:32,939 Christopher came on the phone with me. 714 00:45:33,022 --> 00:45:34,858 And while we were on the phone, 715 00:45:35,442 --> 00:45:37,652 they said, "We learned that he died." 716 00:45:39,070 --> 00:45:40,071 Um... 717 00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:45,702 And so, you know, here I'm on the one hand, I'm, uh... 718 00:45:48,496 --> 00:45:49,914 I'm emotionally shaken. 719 00:45:53,293 --> 00:45:56,880 And at the same time, I'm trying to think about... 720 00:45:58,214 --> 00:45:59,215 What do we do? 721 00:46:04,554 --> 00:46:05,554 And... 722 00:46:07,474 --> 00:46:09,058 You know, it, um... 723 00:46:19,486 --> 00:46:22,489 It's obviously still a moment that I really can't talk about. 724 00:46:24,657 --> 00:46:26,659 [solemn music playing] 725 00:46:28,828 --> 00:46:30,348 [interviewer] You were with your wife. 726 00:46:31,372 --> 00:46:32,372 Yeah. 727 00:46:32,916 --> 00:46:34,042 And, um... 728 00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:38,296 And all three kids and they'd never seen me cry before. 729 00:46:39,756 --> 00:46:40,756 So... 730 00:46:42,509 --> 00:46:46,137 I'm... She's trying to explain to them why I'm crying. 731 00:46:49,224 --> 00:46:51,601 And then I'm trying to explain to them why I was. 732 00:46:52,268 --> 00:46:54,229 You know, it was a... [clears throat] 733 00:46:56,397 --> 00:46:58,608 In a lot of ways, it was something... 734 00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:01,152 It was something I couldn't imagine. 735 00:47:01,236 --> 00:47:04,656 My wife came in with the phone, and it was Eitan Haber. 736 00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:08,201 And he said to me, "Rabin's been shot. 737 00:47:08,284 --> 00:47:10,703 Meet me at Ichilov Hospital." 738 00:47:11,704 --> 00:47:14,916 And hung up. I was stunned. 739 00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:17,919 So I raced to the hospital. 740 00:47:18,002 --> 00:47:19,254 Uh... 741 00:47:19,337 --> 00:47:22,674 And as we were going down empty streets, 742 00:47:22,757 --> 00:47:25,552 the place was totally empty, eerie. 743 00:47:25,635 --> 00:47:29,806 I got there, and I was taken down into the basement, 744 00:47:29,889 --> 00:47:32,517 and Eitan was there. 745 00:47:33,685 --> 00:47:36,980 But he was writing something, and he didn't... 746 00:47:37,063 --> 00:47:40,650 I said, "Eitan, hi," and he didn't look at me or anything. 747 00:47:40,733 --> 00:47:42,151 He just kept on writing. 748 00:47:42,902 --> 00:47:46,030 And so I turned around and didn't know what to do, 749 00:47:46,114 --> 00:47:49,367 and then Rabin's chef de cabinet hugged me, 750 00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:52,662 and he whispered in my ear, "Rabin is dead." 751 00:47:54,497 --> 00:47:57,876 And that's how I found out. 752 00:47:57,959 --> 00:48:00,240 [on TV] Just reported that the prime minister was impacted 753 00:48:00,295 --> 00:48:02,380 by those bullets fired at short range. 754 00:48:02,463 --> 00:48:04,465 CNN has confirmed that he was... 755 00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:08,553 He is being treated in the emergency ward of Ichilov Hospital. 756 00:48:08,636 --> 00:48:10,972 [man 17] Truly shocking news from the Middle East tonight. 757 00:48:11,055 --> 00:48:14,100 Israel's prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin, has been assassinated. 758 00:48:15,018 --> 00:48:17,687 The 73-year-old Rabin was shot three times 759 00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:21,566 after addressing a huge peace rally in Tel Aviv. 760 00:48:21,649 --> 00:48:24,068 He died of his wounds a short time later. 761 00:48:24,152 --> 00:48:26,154 [camera shutters clicking] 762 00:48:34,829 --> 00:48:37,665 The world has lost one of its greatest men. 763 00:48:39,125 --> 00:48:41,252 A warrior for his nation's freedom... 764 00:48:42,462 --> 00:48:45,840 and now a martyr for his nation's peace. 765 00:48:47,258 --> 00:48:51,262 Yitzhak Rabin was my partner and my friend. 766 00:48:52,722 --> 00:48:53,806 I admired him, 767 00:48:54,933 --> 00:48:56,601 and I loved him very much. 768 00:48:58,770 --> 00:49:02,231 Because words cannot express my true feelings, 769 00:49:03,524 --> 00:49:08,237 let me just say, shalom, chaver. 770 00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:10,114 Goodbye, friend. 771 00:49:11,366 --> 00:49:12,367 [softly] Thank you. 772 00:49:14,202 --> 00:49:16,204 [solemn music playing] 773 00:49:21,292 --> 00:49:22,919 I am very sad... 774 00:49:24,379 --> 00:49:26,130 and very shocked... 775 00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:31,761 for this awful and terrible crime... 776 00:49:33,012 --> 00:49:39,310 against one of the brave leaders of Israel... 777 00:49:40,478 --> 00:49:41,562 and the peacemakers. 778 00:49:46,442 --> 00:49:49,946 [Ross] Then we were on the plane very quickly on the way to the funeral. 779 00:49:50,029 --> 00:49:53,366 - [Bush] We're emotional in our family... - [Ross] We had the ex-presidents. 780 00:49:53,449 --> 00:49:56,077 We had the leaders of the both Senate and House. 781 00:49:59,706 --> 00:50:02,667 My role was to brief them on how they should behave 782 00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:04,419 and what we were going into. 783 00:50:05,086 --> 00:50:06,421 And so I told them: 784 00:50:07,046 --> 00:50:09,882 "You're walking into an Israel that is in a state of shock. 785 00:50:09,966 --> 00:50:13,219 You're walking into a country that's in a state of depression. 786 00:50:13,302 --> 00:50:15,513 What's the one pillar they have outside of Israel? 787 00:50:15,596 --> 00:50:16,681 The United States. 788 00:50:17,265 --> 00:50:21,644 You need to send the message, the U.S. is there for Israel." 789 00:50:24,022 --> 00:50:26,733 Shimon Peres became the prime minister, 790 00:50:26,816 --> 00:50:30,570 and Clinton asked, "Where's Peres right now?" 791 00:50:30,653 --> 00:50:32,530 And I said, "He's shaken." 792 00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:37,035 I said, "Peres has lost a guy with whom he's been a rival for 50 years. 793 00:50:37,618 --> 00:50:39,245 Understand what that means. 794 00:50:39,328 --> 00:50:43,332 He's been a rival, but that means he's been this steady rock for him. 795 00:50:43,416 --> 00:50:45,918 You're gonna have to be his rock right now. 796 00:50:46,002 --> 00:50:48,671 He has to know that he's got you to count on." 797 00:50:52,717 --> 00:50:55,386 And when Clinton sees Peres when we get there, 798 00:50:56,012 --> 00:50:58,389 Peres walks towards him and extends his hand, 799 00:50:58,473 --> 00:51:00,641 and Clinton envelops him in a hug 800 00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:05,229 and just holds him that way for an extended period of time, 801 00:51:05,897 --> 00:51:10,568 and it was like he was imparting already what the relationship was gonna be. 802 00:51:14,072 --> 00:51:16,074 [solemn music playing] 803 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,829 The assassination is transforming for Clinton. 804 00:51:23,581 --> 00:51:25,792 In March 1993, he meets Rabin. 805 00:51:25,875 --> 00:51:28,544 And he tells Rabin, "You take risks for peace, 806 00:51:28,628 --> 00:51:31,339 and my responsibility is to minimize those risks." 807 00:51:31,422 --> 00:51:36,469 So when Rabin is assassinated, the burden falls to Clinton in his mind. 808 00:51:36,552 --> 00:51:37,970 He owes this debt. 809 00:51:38,513 --> 00:51:41,557 He said, "Take risks for peace," and now he's dead. 810 00:51:44,644 --> 00:51:47,021 People say that Clinton just wanted a legacy. 811 00:51:47,105 --> 00:51:48,231 That wasn't it. 812 00:51:48,314 --> 00:51:51,859 He had a sense of mission because of this. 813 00:51:55,822 --> 00:51:59,283 [Miller] Rabin made Clinton a part of history. 814 00:51:59,951 --> 00:52:02,787 The young Bill Clinton, with almost no foreign policy experience, 815 00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:05,414 was made a part of the historical narrative 816 00:52:05,498 --> 00:52:08,709 as a consequence of historic undertaking. 817 00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:11,379 This is part of the context. 818 00:52:11,462 --> 00:52:14,715 This is part of Bill Clinton's DNA. 819 00:52:23,391 --> 00:52:26,269 [crowd in Hebrew] Long live Bibi, the king of Israel! 820 00:52:30,189 --> 00:52:32,859 Good evening, Israel has elected its next prime minister 821 00:52:32,942 --> 00:52:36,988 with a razor-thin margin separating deeply divided sides. 822 00:52:37,864 --> 00:52:39,866 [speaking in Hebrew] 823 00:52:47,331 --> 00:52:52,128 [man 18] Clinton hosted the Israeli prime minister at the White House today. 824 00:52:52,211 --> 00:52:54,547 It was the first meeting of the two men 825 00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:56,966 since Netanyahu's election in May. 826 00:52:57,049 --> 00:53:00,261 The prime minister did not back away from his hard-line position 827 00:53:00,344 --> 00:53:03,973 on the Arab-Israeli peace process that the president supports. 828 00:53:07,602 --> 00:53:10,396 [Ross] The question was, how could you manage a process 829 00:53:10,479 --> 00:53:15,359 when you now had a leader who clearly was cut from a different kind of cloth? 830 00:53:15,985 --> 00:53:19,238 In a sense, we had to figure out what you could do with him. 831 00:53:20,448 --> 00:53:22,825 Did you want the whole process to fall apart? 832 00:53:22,909 --> 00:53:25,286 Did you want to lose the ability to make peace at all? 833 00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,292 At that first meeting, he was lecturing Clinton and telling him: 834 00:53:31,375 --> 00:53:34,003 "You don't understand the Arabs. I understand the Arabs. 835 00:53:34,086 --> 00:53:36,047 And here's how we're gonna deal with the Arabs. 836 00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:39,175 We know what to do, and this is what you have to do now." 837 00:53:40,092 --> 00:53:43,137 And he said, "They have to understand. 838 00:53:43,221 --> 00:53:44,472 It's a new world now. 839 00:53:45,056 --> 00:53:48,059 Uh, and they'll adjust. You'll see, they'll adjust." 840 00:53:48,643 --> 00:53:51,562 And at the end of the meeting, he walks out, and Clinton says to me: 841 00:53:51,646 --> 00:53:53,898 "Who does he think the superpower is?" 842 00:53:54,982 --> 00:53:57,985 - [dramatic music playing] - [crowd clamoring] 843 00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:59,111 [gunfire] 844 00:53:59,195 --> 00:54:02,174 [man 19] We are still keeping a close eye on the trouble in the Middle East. 845 00:54:02,198 --> 00:54:06,410 The violence began when the Israeli leader decided to open a new entrance 846 00:54:06,494 --> 00:54:10,456 to an ancient tunnel near a Muslim holy site in Jerusalem. 847 00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:12,667 [Arafat] This is a crime, 848 00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:18,422 a big crime, against our religious and holy places. 849 00:54:18,506 --> 00:54:20,216 [gunfire] 850 00:54:22,343 --> 00:54:23,219 [man 20] Good evening. 851 00:54:23,302 --> 00:54:27,056 The prospects of a lasting peace in the Middle East are fading fast tonight, 852 00:54:27,139 --> 00:54:30,726 as the clash between Israelis and Palestinians over Jerusalem 853 00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:34,313 now has exploded into a mini-war on two fronts. 854 00:54:34,397 --> 00:54:37,817 President Clinton today indirectly criticized the Israelis. 855 00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:41,779 [Clinton] This has gone on too long and hurt too many innocent people. 856 00:54:41,862 --> 00:54:44,198 [Ross] I go over to the White House, and I say: 857 00:54:44,282 --> 00:54:46,242 "Look, the only way to stop this 858 00:54:46,325 --> 00:54:48,869 is if you bring everybody here to the White House. 859 00:54:48,953 --> 00:54:51,914 This is getting out of control, and from a distance, we can't stop it." 860 00:54:51,998 --> 00:54:54,458 [tense music playing] 861 00:55:00,423 --> 00:55:02,425 [whispering indistinctly] 862 00:55:11,642 --> 00:55:14,645 [Ross] We're having lunch in the White House, 863 00:55:15,438 --> 00:55:18,524 and King Hussein says to Bibi: 864 00:55:19,191 --> 00:55:21,360 "You don't have the maturity to be a leader. 865 00:55:21,444 --> 00:55:22,778 You're not like Rabin. 866 00:55:23,904 --> 00:55:26,824 Rabin understood that when you have a negotiating partner, 867 00:55:26,907 --> 00:55:30,911 you have to do things that give them the ability to operate too. 868 00:55:30,995 --> 00:55:34,915 You have to grow up and become a leader, and you're not one today." 869 00:55:35,499 --> 00:55:38,252 And there was absolute silence in the room. 870 00:55:44,508 --> 00:55:48,763 And then Bibi asks if he can go off just with Arafat and me. 871 00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:50,890 He gets with Arafat, and he says, "Look. 872 00:55:51,849 --> 00:55:55,269 Let's begin a negotiation, and we can surprise the world. 873 00:55:55,353 --> 00:55:57,396 No one expects that we can do anything." 874 00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,732 And Arafat says, "Okay." 875 00:55:59,815 --> 00:56:01,817 [pensive music playing] 876 00:56:11,494 --> 00:56:14,705 At that time, it became clear that in a lot of ways, 877 00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:19,210 the Clinton who was interested in this before is not the Clinton afterwards. 878 00:56:19,293 --> 00:56:23,339 He feels he has a responsibility to fulfill the Rabin legacy. 879 00:56:23,422 --> 00:56:25,424 [suspenseful music playing] 880 00:56:31,013 --> 00:56:34,975 [Miller] We took over the negotiations with a renewed commitment to ensure 881 00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:38,104 that Rabin wouldn't die in vain. 882 00:56:38,979 --> 00:56:41,482 We had a historic responsibility. 883 00:56:42,358 --> 00:56:46,529 It was a team that was dedicated, motivated, 884 00:56:46,612 --> 00:56:49,615 mostly American Jews at the working level, 885 00:56:49,698 --> 00:56:53,953 convinced that this was fundamentally in the national interest 886 00:56:54,036 --> 00:56:55,579 of the United States, 887 00:56:55,663 --> 00:56:59,041 schooled, taught, conditioned to the notion 888 00:56:59,125 --> 00:57:02,962 that solving the Arab-Israeli conflict was critically important. 889 00:57:05,714 --> 00:57:10,136 We were hammered during this period by being too accommodating of Netanyahu, 890 00:57:10,219 --> 00:57:12,346 too enabling of settlement activity, 891 00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:15,099 but without process, there would have been nothing. 892 00:57:16,392 --> 00:57:18,161 - [interviewer] Dennis, you're Jewish. - I am. 893 00:57:18,185 --> 00:57:20,813 Beside Gamal, all the negotiating team are Jews. 894 00:57:20,896 --> 00:57:21,730 Yes. 895 00:57:21,814 --> 00:57:25,401 How is this perceived by the other side, as you're supposed to be unbiased? 896 00:57:25,484 --> 00:57:28,988 I think it's easy for them to portray us as being one-sided 897 00:57:29,071 --> 00:57:33,117 when they look at all the negotiators as being Jewish. 898 00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,204 Now, the reality is, it was also each of those people who was Jewish 899 00:57:37,288 --> 00:57:40,416 who carried the greatest passion about wanting to see this settled. 900 00:57:40,958 --> 00:57:43,169 But you are biased. You are biased. 901 00:57:43,252 --> 00:57:47,256 - In a way, you are. You say yourself... - Wait, look. But you know what? That's... 902 00:57:47,339 --> 00:57:51,427 The notion that, uh, mediators 903 00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:54,722 have to be, quote, "perfectly neutral," 904 00:57:54,805 --> 00:57:59,143 the only people who say that have never done any mediation of any hard issue. 905 00:57:59,226 --> 00:58:00,436 I'm not an observant Jew. 906 00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:04,982 I was raised in a very traditional Conservative Jewish household. 907 00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:11,947 I don't think I, or anyone, frankly, who's ever worked on this process 908 00:58:12,031 --> 00:58:16,202 is free from the prejudgments and prejudices and biases. 909 00:58:16,285 --> 00:58:19,497 You are the sum total of your experiences. 910 00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:26,462 The downside is that you grow up in a milieu and an environment 911 00:58:26,545 --> 00:58:30,508 in which you're much more familiar with the needs and requirements 912 00:58:30,591 --> 00:58:32,426 of one side but not the other. 913 00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:34,512 [birds chirping] 914 00:58:36,096 --> 00:58:38,182 Good morning, everyone. I'm Thalia Assuras. 915 00:58:38,265 --> 00:58:41,936 President Clinton convenes the latest Mid-East peace summit this morning. 916 00:58:42,019 --> 00:58:43,854 On the table, a U.S. proposal 917 00:58:43,938 --> 00:58:46,690 for further Israeli troop withdrawals from the West Bank. 918 00:58:46,774 --> 00:58:48,776 [suspenseful music playing] 919 00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:55,658 [Clinton]...why our commitment to Israel's security remains rock solid, 920 00:58:56,325 --> 00:58:58,911 why we'll continue to do whatever is necessary... 921 00:58:59,912 --> 00:59:03,832 [Ross] I had gone to Arafat, Arafat said, "We need 30% of the West Bank." 922 00:59:03,916 --> 00:59:07,461 Bibi says, "I can do the lowest teen." The lowest teen is 13. 923 00:59:08,254 --> 00:59:13,717 So after real hard effort, I get Arafat to agree, "Okay, 13 percent." 924 00:59:13,801 --> 00:59:15,636 When I go back to Bibi, 925 00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:18,514 I say, "Okay, look, I got Arafat to 13 percent." 926 00:59:18,597 --> 00:59:20,849 He said, "Well, I said I agree to 11." 927 00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:25,521 I said, "You said, lowest teen." He said, "Yeah, 11." 928 00:59:25,604 --> 00:59:29,650 I said, "Does 11 sound like a teen? Thirteen is a teen." 929 00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:31,860 He said, "Well, I meant 11." 930 00:59:31,944 --> 00:59:34,280 I said, "You didn't say 11." 931 00:59:36,949 --> 00:59:42,121 Both Netanyahu and Arafat are not particularly responsive in these meetings. 932 00:59:42,204 --> 00:59:43,455 Neither one was. 933 00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:47,876 And at one point, Arafat got outraged by Netanyahu. 934 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,044 [Arafat] Unbelievable. 935 00:59:49,128 --> 00:59:52,298 [Ross] He feels that he's not showing him sufficient respect and dignity. 936 00:59:52,381 --> 00:59:54,258 [Arafat] This cannot be acceptable... 937 00:59:54,341 --> 00:59:58,554 And Clinton blew up at Bibi in front of Arafat and the Palestinian team. 938 00:59:59,471 --> 01:00:01,307 Uh, in a way that was... 939 01:00:01,390 --> 01:00:04,727 When Clinton would get mad, he would, like, just lose it. 940 01:00:05,311 --> 01:00:07,354 Uh, and then Clinton walked out. 941 01:00:10,065 --> 01:00:11,984 Bibi then was... 942 01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:15,904 Initially he was stunned. And so he says, "What do you suggest?" 943 01:00:15,988 --> 01:00:20,367 So I began to make suggestions, uh, and he was prepared to go along with them. 944 01:00:20,451 --> 01:00:22,453 [indistinct chatter] 945 01:00:31,503 --> 01:00:35,883 [Miller] At that point, even Netanyahu, with all his cynicism, 946 01:00:35,966 --> 01:00:38,802 also understood certain realities. 947 01:00:48,187 --> 01:00:51,273 Only the believers could have believed 948 01:00:51,357 --> 01:00:54,902 that we could create not one but two agreements 949 01:00:54,985 --> 01:00:58,280 between the PLO and this Israeli prime minister. 950 01:01:02,201 --> 01:01:05,120 Here was the first and only Likud prime minister 951 01:01:05,204 --> 01:01:07,539 in the history of the State of Israel 952 01:01:07,623 --> 01:01:11,001 not just to return West Bank territory 953 01:01:11,585 --> 01:01:14,797 but a guy who vowed he'd never shake hands with Yasser Arafat, 954 01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,801 a guy who vowed he'd never become a partner in any negotiation with Arafat, 955 01:01:18,884 --> 01:01:22,805 was willing and able to do that. 956 01:01:22,888 --> 01:01:24,890 [audience cheering] 957 01:01:29,061 --> 01:01:32,898 This agreement gave Clinton a sense of confidence 958 01:01:32,981 --> 01:01:38,654 that if you put me in a room with an Israeli and a Palestinian 959 01:01:38,737 --> 01:01:42,741 who are even remotely interested in cutting a deal, 960 01:01:42,825 --> 01:01:44,159 I could cut that deal. 961 01:01:45,202 --> 01:01:48,264 [woman 3] New allegations that President Clinton had an affair with a former... 962 01:01:48,288 --> 01:01:50,768 [man 21] The president, seen in a video with Monica Lewinsky... 963 01:01:50,833 --> 01:01:52,713 [man 22] The intern had a sexual relationship... 964 01:01:52,751 --> 01:01:55,462 [woman 4] Hillary Clinton called the charges false. 965 01:01:55,546 --> 01:01:57,965 [Ross] The Lewinsky affair takes place, as announced, 966 01:01:58,048 --> 01:02:02,636 between meetings of Netanyahu with the president 967 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,471 and Arafat and the president. 968 01:02:04,555 --> 01:02:08,684 [Clinton] The allegations I have read are not true, and I will be vigorous about it, 969 01:02:08,767 --> 01:02:11,019 but I have got to get back to the work of the country. 970 01:02:11,103 --> 01:02:13,564 I was up past midnight with Prime Minister Netanyahu. 971 01:02:13,647 --> 01:02:15,649 I've got Mr. Arafat coming in. 972 01:02:15,733 --> 01:02:17,693 I have got to get back to work. 973 01:02:20,028 --> 01:02:23,240 [Ross] The president has to go out to the opening of the Gaza Airport 974 01:02:23,323 --> 01:02:25,451 and to preside over the PNC meeting. 975 01:02:27,411 --> 01:02:29,580 And we're en route out there, 976 01:02:29,663 --> 01:02:34,251 and suddenly he opens the door and asks, "Where's Hillary? I gotta see Hillary." 977 01:02:34,334 --> 01:02:38,964 And I find out after that, that the news had just broken 978 01:02:39,047 --> 01:02:41,300 that there's gonna be impeachment, 979 01:02:41,884 --> 01:02:44,678 and the first person he wanted to talk to was Hillary. 980 01:02:45,554 --> 01:02:48,682 During that whole trip, she was with him all the time. 981 01:02:48,766 --> 01:02:52,352 I would come up late at night to brief him, and she would be there. 982 01:02:52,436 --> 01:02:55,105 We were flying down to Gaza on the helicopter, 983 01:02:55,189 --> 01:02:57,024 and he said to me, "I didn't sleep at all," 984 01:02:57,107 --> 01:02:59,443 and he was troubled by all this. 985 01:02:59,526 --> 01:03:01,528 [solemn music playing] 986 01:03:10,996 --> 01:03:13,791 We had a three-way meeting with Arafat and Bibi, 987 01:03:13,874 --> 01:03:15,667 and I was sitting next to him. 988 01:03:15,751 --> 01:03:18,754 I could see he was writing on his notepad: 989 01:03:18,837 --> 01:03:22,216 "Focus on your job. Focus on your job. Focus on your job." 990 01:03:22,758 --> 01:03:25,427 Uh, and what's even more stunning, 991 01:03:25,511 --> 01:03:30,140 the speech he gives at the PNC, he completely ad-libs. 992 01:03:31,683 --> 01:03:33,602 I was with Chairman Arafat, 993 01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:40,901 and four little children came to see me whose fathers are in Israeli prisons. 994 01:03:42,277 --> 01:03:45,030 Last night, I met some Israeli children 995 01:03:46,073 --> 01:03:49,910 whose fathers had been killed in conflict with Palestinians. 996 01:03:51,620 --> 01:03:53,705 If I had met them in reverse order, 997 01:03:53,789 --> 01:03:55,249 I would not have known... 998 01:03:56,625 --> 01:03:59,920 which ones were Israeli and which Palestinian. 999 01:04:00,754 --> 01:04:02,047 A stunning speech. 1000 01:04:02,589 --> 01:04:05,676 He is as much preacher as teacher in this speech. 1001 01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:11,348 We must acknowledge that neither side has a monopoly on pain 1002 01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:13,475 or virtue. 1003 01:04:17,813 --> 01:04:21,567 The end of the speech, I was crying. 1004 01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:25,445 I mean, it was unbelievable. Hillary sees me and hugs me. 1005 01:04:30,492 --> 01:04:33,412 [Helal] He was received as a conquering hero, 1006 01:04:33,495 --> 01:04:35,873 and the entire region saw it. 1007 01:04:35,956 --> 01:04:39,626 Here is an American president visiting a Palestinian area. 1008 01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:42,045 In that itself, 1009 01:04:42,129 --> 01:04:46,675 there was an implicit recognition of a future Palestinian state. 1010 01:04:53,140 --> 01:04:55,142 [dramatic music playing] 1011 01:04:57,185 --> 01:04:58,645 Good morning, everybody. 1012 01:04:58,729 --> 01:05:03,275 Voters in Israel have given their country a new leader and new hope for peace. 1013 01:05:03,358 --> 01:05:07,362 The election of war hero Ehud Barak puts an end to three stormy years 1014 01:05:07,446 --> 01:05:08,739 under Benjamin Netanyahu. 1015 01:05:08,822 --> 01:05:09,740 [all cheering] 1016 01:05:09,823 --> 01:05:14,328 [in Hebrew] I came here to pledge to the Israeli public 1017 01:05:14,411 --> 01:05:19,333 and to my friend and commander Yitzhak Rabin 1018 01:05:19,416 --> 01:05:24,546 that this is the new dawn of a new day. 1019 01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:26,632 [all cheering] 1020 01:05:31,136 --> 01:05:33,430 [man 23] Ehud Barak had a plan. 1021 01:05:34,139 --> 01:05:37,017 A plan from day one. I think he had a plan from before day one. 1022 01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:40,270 He knew where he wanted to go and where he wanted us to be 1023 01:05:40,354 --> 01:05:42,981 to take him there, and the Palestinians and Syrians there. 1024 01:05:46,068 --> 01:05:48,487 [suspenseful music playing] 1025 01:05:49,071 --> 01:05:51,281 [Indyk] Barak tells Clinton: 1026 01:05:51,365 --> 01:05:54,660 "I have a mandate to finish the job that Rabin started, 1027 01:05:54,743 --> 01:05:59,039 and I want to do it in my first year and your last year in office." 1028 01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:05,754 Clinton had only one year left when Barak was elected. 1029 01:06:05,837 --> 01:06:08,024 [Malley] Clinton had a meeting with Barak in Camp David. 1030 01:06:08,048 --> 01:06:10,092 The two had a tête-à-tête for hours, 1031 01:06:10,175 --> 01:06:12,970 and Barak had put his whole plan on the table. 1032 01:06:13,053 --> 01:06:15,597 The president asked us to come because he was afraid 1033 01:06:15,681 --> 01:06:17,766 that he was gonna forget what Barak had told him, 1034 01:06:17,849 --> 01:06:20,394 so he has to take notes on everything he had said, his plan. 1035 01:06:20,477 --> 01:06:23,522 "First, I'm gonna do a Syria deal. Then I'm gonna do the Palestinian deal. 1036 01:06:23,605 --> 01:06:26,233 Here's what I'll do with one. Here's what you'll have to do." 1037 01:06:26,316 --> 01:06:29,695 Astronomical sums of money that the U.S. would give to the Israelis 1038 01:06:29,778 --> 01:06:32,906 to help them with steps they would take, resolution of the issues, 1039 01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:34,241 how it would be done. 1040 01:06:35,033 --> 01:06:38,996 And so I remember thinking, "This is completely impossible. 1041 01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,206 This is an unrealistic plan." 1042 01:06:41,289 --> 01:06:44,376 It assumes things about how the Palestinians and Syrians would react 1043 01:06:44,459 --> 01:06:45,836 which are divorced from reality. 1044 01:06:45,919 --> 01:06:49,172 [Clinton] We can make progress on all fronts. We just do the best we can. 1045 01:06:49,256 --> 01:06:51,216 The president is enthusiastic after seeing him. 1046 01:06:51,299 --> 01:06:52,759 He says, "He's serious. 1047 01:06:52,843 --> 01:06:56,471 He's prepared to make big moves. He's prepared to go very far. 1048 01:06:57,055 --> 01:06:58,765 But he can do more 1049 01:06:58,849 --> 01:07:01,810 if he doesn't have to carry out further withdrawal on the West Bank, 1050 01:07:01,893 --> 01:07:04,104 which Netanyahu already agreed to do." 1051 01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:08,400 When I see Barak, I tell him, Arafat's gonna be very suspicious of this. 1052 01:07:08,483 --> 01:07:09,818 [Arafat] It takes two to tango. 1053 01:07:09,901 --> 01:07:12,404 [Ross] He's going to think you're trying to humiliate him, 1054 01:07:12,487 --> 01:07:15,407 that you're not showing him sufficient respect and dignity. 1055 01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,578 But Barak was someone who felt he knew best. 1056 01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:25,876 He wants to do Syria first, so he's holding back on the Palestinian track. 1057 01:07:29,087 --> 01:07:32,549 [woman 5] The U.S. Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright, arrived in Damascus, 1058 01:07:32,632 --> 01:07:36,428 where she was greeted by the Syrian foreign minister Farouk al-Sharaa. 1059 01:07:36,511 --> 01:07:39,806 Albright then went on to meet President Hafez Assad 1060 01:07:39,890 --> 01:07:42,559 to discuss resuming peace talks with Israel. 1061 01:07:42,642 --> 01:07:44,644 [indistinct chatter] 1062 01:07:46,688 --> 01:07:50,108 [Indyk] Amazingly, this time, Assad said he was ready. 1063 01:07:50,192 --> 01:07:54,404 He said, "I'm ready, and I'm ready to send my foreign minister to meet with Barak." 1064 01:07:54,488 --> 01:07:57,074 The foreign minister was sitting there, Farouk al-Sharaa: 1065 01:07:57,157 --> 01:07:59,618 "What? I've got to go and meet an Israeli? You're kidding." 1066 01:07:59,701 --> 01:08:02,245 Assad said, "Yeah, you're gonna go." 1067 01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:03,580 Uh, so there we were. 1068 01:08:03,663 --> 01:08:08,085 It was like a sea change in Assad's attitude. 1069 01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:13,131 [Ross] When we fly to see Barak, he says: 1070 01:08:13,215 --> 01:08:17,385 "Wow, in all my history it says, when you have an opening, go for it." 1071 01:08:17,469 --> 01:08:20,055 Today I am pleased to announce 1072 01:08:20,138 --> 01:08:23,475 that Prime Minister Barak and President Assad have agreed 1073 01:08:23,558 --> 01:08:26,561 that the Israel-Syrian peace negotiations 1074 01:08:26,645 --> 01:08:29,815 will be resumed from the point where they left off. 1075 01:08:29,898 --> 01:08:31,900 [upbeat music playing] 1076 01:08:32,734 --> 01:08:34,653 [Miller] I was sitting with Arafat in December 1077 01:08:34,736 --> 01:08:37,405 when they announced the Sharaa talks at Blair House. 1078 01:08:37,489 --> 01:08:41,910 And he kept squeezing my hand until it ached. 1079 01:08:42,953 --> 01:08:45,580 And I said, "Mr. Chairman, what do you think about this?" 1080 01:08:45,664 --> 01:08:49,918 And he only said one thing to me: "Barak should not take me for granted." 1081 01:08:57,384 --> 01:08:59,928 [al-Sharaa] We are approaching the moment of truth, 1082 01:09:00,011 --> 01:09:02,722 and there is no doubt that everyone realizes 1083 01:09:02,806 --> 01:09:05,892 that a peace agreement between Syria and Israel 1084 01:09:05,976 --> 01:09:10,522 would indeed mean for our region the end of a history 1085 01:09:10,605 --> 01:09:13,150 of wars and conflicts. 1086 01:09:19,865 --> 01:09:23,034 [Indyk] A month later, we brought them all to Shepherdstown 1087 01:09:23,118 --> 01:09:25,162 to see if we can make a deal. 1088 01:09:25,245 --> 01:09:29,166 And, uh, I went out to the airport to meet Barak. 1089 01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:33,378 And he asked me to come up and sit with him on the plane, 1090 01:09:33,461 --> 01:09:35,213 which was kind of unusual. 1091 01:09:35,297 --> 01:09:36,381 And he said to me: 1092 01:09:37,591 --> 01:09:38,675 "I can't do it." 1093 01:09:40,177 --> 01:09:44,723 Meaning, "I can't give the commitment to withdraw from the Golan Heights. 1094 01:09:45,348 --> 01:09:47,058 My people aren't ready." 1095 01:09:48,143 --> 01:09:51,146 I was like, "If you can't do that, we're not gonna... 1096 01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:54,274 We're gonna be out of business if you're not prepared to do that." 1097 01:09:54,357 --> 01:09:56,193 He said, "No, I can't do it." 1098 01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:01,198 I remember going from there to the Daily Grill. 1099 01:10:01,781 --> 01:10:05,493 Madeleine Albright was sitting with Dennis, having dinner. 1100 01:10:05,577 --> 01:10:07,537 I came from the airport and sat down with them. 1101 01:10:07,621 --> 01:10:11,249 I said to Madeleine, "Houston, we've got a problem." 1102 01:10:11,333 --> 01:10:13,335 [pensive music playing] 1103 01:10:15,295 --> 01:10:17,214 What we hear is that Barak has gotten polls 1104 01:10:17,297 --> 01:10:19,674 that show this is not a popular thing. 1105 01:10:19,758 --> 01:10:22,969 And he has to show it's harder to produce it. 1106 01:10:23,053 --> 01:10:24,971 But in the meantime, we're here. 1107 01:10:26,181 --> 01:10:28,516 The Syrians actually move on a number of things. 1108 01:10:29,142 --> 01:10:32,854 They move on security arrangements. They move on the border. 1109 01:10:32,938 --> 01:10:34,940 They're moving on everything. 1110 01:10:35,023 --> 01:10:37,567 And we can't get Barak to move on anything. 1111 01:10:42,864 --> 01:10:44,866 Clinton took him to the woodshed. 1112 01:10:45,867 --> 01:10:48,411 Clinton said to Barak, "I'm a better politician than you. 1113 01:10:48,495 --> 01:10:51,915 I know your people will support this. 1114 01:10:51,998 --> 01:10:54,542 You need to do this. You need to do it now." 1115 01:10:54,626 --> 01:10:58,088 But all of his persuasive powers, which were considerable, 1116 01:10:58,171 --> 01:11:00,298 were not enough to move Barak. 1117 01:11:00,382 --> 01:11:03,551 [woman 6] The peace talks between Israel and Syria are winding down today 1118 01:11:03,635 --> 01:11:05,178 without a solid agreement. 1119 01:11:05,262 --> 01:11:07,847 [man 24] That isn't good news for President Clinton, 1120 01:11:07,931 --> 01:11:11,601 who wants to preside over a peace deal before he leaves office. 1121 01:11:14,521 --> 01:11:16,856 [Ross] Assad says to us, "I don't know what Barak wants. 1122 01:11:16,940 --> 01:11:19,567 How can we do a deal if we don't know what Barak wants?" 1123 01:11:20,110 --> 01:11:21,820 Then Barak is really anxious. 1124 01:11:21,903 --> 01:11:24,364 He says, "Look, we're gonna lose this possibility. 1125 01:11:24,447 --> 01:11:26,032 Clinton has to see him." 1126 01:11:27,367 --> 01:11:28,743 To produce the meeting, 1127 01:11:28,827 --> 01:11:32,872 Clinton has to call Assad and say, "I now know what Barak wants." 1128 01:11:32,956 --> 01:11:34,958 [suspenseful music playing] 1129 01:11:45,218 --> 01:11:48,388 We go into the meeting, and Clinton starts by saying: 1130 01:11:48,471 --> 01:11:50,932 "I'm gonna do something unusual. I'm gonna read. 1131 01:11:51,016 --> 01:11:53,727 Barak has agreed to withdraw to the June 4, '67 lines 1132 01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:55,770 and have a mutually agreed border." 1133 01:11:55,854 --> 01:11:58,273 And Assad says, "Then we have a problem." 1134 01:11:58,982 --> 01:12:01,401 And Clinton says, "Let me explain this." 1135 01:12:01,484 --> 01:12:05,447 So he does the next line that explains 1136 01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:07,324 that the border will be off the water line. 1137 01:12:08,575 --> 01:12:11,619 And this is where Assad says, "I used to go swimming in the lake. 1138 01:12:11,703 --> 01:12:13,496 I used to put my feet in the lake." 1139 01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:17,167 Every possible attempt that the president tried to do, 1140 01:12:17,250 --> 01:12:21,588 secretary tried to do, Dennis tried to do, uh, it was over by then 1141 01:12:21,671 --> 01:12:26,676 because he interpreted "mutually agreed border" as: 1142 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:31,598 "The Israelis will have a say in determining where will the border be." 1143 01:12:31,681 --> 01:12:33,475 And he never accepted that notion. 1144 01:12:36,061 --> 01:12:40,106 [Ross] At the end of the meeting, Assad could see Clinton's face is all red. 1145 01:12:40,815 --> 01:12:43,151 He doesn't want a total blowup with us. 1146 01:12:43,693 --> 01:12:47,405 So he walks over to me, and he shakes my hand, 1147 01:12:47,489 --> 01:12:50,658 and he puts his arm up on my shoulder here, 1148 01:12:50,742 --> 01:12:53,328 and says, "We've always had good relations." 1149 01:12:53,411 --> 01:12:55,413 And I put my arm up on his shoulder right here. 1150 01:12:55,497 --> 01:12:58,792 What you feel when you grab someone's arm is you feel muscle. 1151 01:12:58,875 --> 01:13:00,960 I felt no muscle. I felt only bone. 1152 01:13:02,962 --> 01:13:05,382 So I knew he was wasting away and dying. 1153 01:13:05,924 --> 01:13:09,427 He thinks doing a deal at that point will threaten the succession to his son. 1154 01:13:14,432 --> 01:13:18,770 So what happened essentially was, yeah, Barak chased Syria, 1155 01:13:18,853 --> 01:13:20,105 and he dissed Arafat, 1156 01:13:20,188 --> 01:13:23,733 and then when Assad said no in Geneva in March 1157 01:13:23,817 --> 01:13:26,903 and was dead in the first half of June, 1158 01:13:27,654 --> 01:13:29,280 Barak turned to Mr. Arafat, 1159 01:13:29,364 --> 01:13:31,032 and Arafat said: 1160 01:13:31,116 --> 01:13:34,202 "Okay, the price just went up." 1161 01:13:35,203 --> 01:13:37,497 [Malley] The week after Geneva failed, 1162 01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,833 Barak says he has to speak urgently to Clinton. 1163 01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:42,627 And Sandy Berger, who was then the national security adviser, 1164 01:13:42,710 --> 01:13:45,505 wanted to protect Clinton because he knew what Barak was gonna say, 1165 01:13:45,588 --> 01:13:50,093 which is, "Now let's turn our attention to the Palestinians." 1166 01:13:50,885 --> 01:13:54,848 And Sandy said, "We just went through an experience with the Syrians 1167 01:13:54,931 --> 01:13:55,932 that ended in failure. 1168 01:13:56,015 --> 01:13:59,394 We tried it your way. It ended in failure." 1169 01:13:59,477 --> 01:14:02,147 At great cost obviously to the Israelis and the Syrians 1170 01:14:02,230 --> 01:14:05,024 but also at great cost to the credibility of the United States. 1171 01:14:05,108 --> 01:14:08,570 This one we have to do differently. We have to take it more carefully. 1172 01:14:08,653 --> 01:14:10,905 [ominous music playing] 1173 01:14:10,989 --> 01:14:14,075 [Ross] Barak doesn't give up. He comes to Washington. 1174 01:14:15,326 --> 01:14:18,079 When I see him though, he spent the whole night at Blair House. 1175 01:14:18,163 --> 01:14:18,997 He's up all night. 1176 01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,333 I can see he literally has yellow pages spread everywhere. 1177 01:14:22,417 --> 01:14:26,671 He's been working all night. He's been working everything through. 1178 01:14:26,754 --> 01:14:30,049 And he's telling me he wants to go to a summit with the Palestinians. 1179 01:14:31,134 --> 01:14:34,262 But first of all, he's going to withdraw from Lebanon. 1180 01:14:37,599 --> 01:14:40,351 [man 25] In the Middle East, Israel's 15-year occupation 1181 01:14:40,435 --> 01:14:44,063 of a South Lebanon security zone came to an end today, 1182 01:14:44,147 --> 01:14:45,815 six weeks ahead of schedule. 1183 01:14:46,524 --> 01:14:49,027 The last retreating soldiers locked the door behind them 1184 01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:53,072 as Hezbollah guerrillas jeered the departing Israelis. 1185 01:14:53,907 --> 01:14:57,076 [man speaking in Arabic] 1186 01:15:33,238 --> 01:15:35,657 [Malley] Barak decides to withdraw from Lebanon, 1187 01:15:35,740 --> 01:15:38,034 not as a result of a peace deal 1188 01:15:38,117 --> 01:15:40,078 but of continuing firing by Hezbollah. 1189 01:15:40,662 --> 01:15:44,791 So in the Palestinian psyche, the lesson was, what pays? 1190 01:15:44,874 --> 01:15:47,126 Is it diplomacy, or is it violence? 1191 01:15:49,337 --> 01:15:53,466 [Ross] The meeting I had with Arafat after the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon 1192 01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:56,094 was probably one of the worst meetings I ever had with him. 1193 01:15:56,177 --> 01:15:57,971 He was in a terrible mood. 1194 01:15:58,054 --> 01:16:00,932 He was swearing every other word, which is out of character for him, 1195 01:16:01,015 --> 01:16:04,269 because he felt he was made to look the fool. 1196 01:16:04,352 --> 01:16:06,938 That he is negotiating, and what is he getting? 1197 01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:10,191 They don't negotiate, they do violence, and they get it all. 1198 01:16:16,072 --> 01:16:18,408 Regardless of what's happening on the ground, 1199 01:16:18,491 --> 01:16:23,913 Barak is insisting to move immediately to a summit with the Palestinians. 1200 01:16:23,997 --> 01:16:26,416 He's telling me, "We need the pressure cooker of a summit 1201 01:16:26,499 --> 01:16:29,002 because no one reveals their real positions 1202 01:16:29,085 --> 01:16:32,547 except if they're in a pressure cooker and the stakes are high." 1203 01:16:33,131 --> 01:16:34,340 And I'm telling him: 1204 01:16:34,424 --> 01:16:37,927 "We can't rush to a summit not knowing what's gonna happen." 1205 01:16:40,221 --> 01:16:42,015 [Miller] He was Churchill, 1206 01:16:42,098 --> 01:16:46,561 and he told me years afterwards that that's how he saw himself. 1207 01:16:46,644 --> 01:16:48,187 So he pivots. 1208 01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:51,858 But he pivots without thinking, 1209 01:16:51,941 --> 01:16:55,320 and he creates a world unto himself. 1210 01:16:57,572 --> 01:17:00,241 Now Barak puts more pressure on the president. 1211 01:17:00,325 --> 01:17:01,534 [Malley] He said to Clinton: 1212 01:17:01,618 --> 01:17:03,536 "I'm promising you that I'm gonna go further 1213 01:17:03,620 --> 01:17:06,539 than any Israeli prime minister has ever dreamt of going, 1214 01:17:06,623 --> 01:17:07,665 but I need your help. 1215 01:17:07,749 --> 01:17:10,209 You only have six months left in your presidency. 1216 01:17:10,835 --> 01:17:13,504 I'm prepared to go extremely far, but in order to go far, 1217 01:17:13,588 --> 01:17:16,257 I need the summit in which it will be me and Arafat, 1218 01:17:16,341 --> 01:17:18,843 and we can present everything that he'll get if he agrees 1219 01:17:18,926 --> 01:17:20,720 and everything he'll lose if he disagrees. 1220 01:17:20,803 --> 01:17:25,141 If you don't do that, the result is gonna be the collapse of the process." 1221 01:17:25,224 --> 01:17:27,518 [suspenseful music playing] 1222 01:17:29,145 --> 01:17:31,356 [Miller] The president himself, at the end, 1223 01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,401 had great uncertainty about the summit. 1224 01:17:36,444 --> 01:17:38,696 We came to his office, and he went around the room 1225 01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:41,115 and asked people, "Should I go? Should I go?" 1226 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,326 Everybody more or less said the same thing: 1227 01:17:43,409 --> 01:17:45,495 "Yes, you must go, Mr. President." 1228 01:17:46,913 --> 01:17:50,041 When he came to me, I had a decision to make. 1229 01:17:50,124 --> 01:17:53,252 I could have said what I should have said: 1230 01:17:53,336 --> 01:17:56,631 "Mr. President, you will not reach an agreement. 1231 01:17:56,714 --> 01:17:59,592 They're not ready, and you're not ready." 1232 01:18:00,176 --> 01:18:01,427 But I chose not to. 1233 01:18:03,429 --> 01:18:05,431 I took the weak way out. 1234 01:18:06,808 --> 01:18:08,226 And I regret that. 1235 01:18:09,977 --> 01:18:12,397 [Ross] We're meeting him in his office there, 1236 01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,524 and he's waxing a little bit nostalgic 1237 01:18:14,607 --> 01:18:17,318 because the end is coming for him as president. 1238 01:18:18,069 --> 01:18:21,698 At this moment, he suddenly is sort of hesitant. 1239 01:18:23,241 --> 01:18:28,871 And at that moment, Sandy, Madeleine and I all make the case to go 1240 01:18:28,955 --> 01:18:32,417 and not to be afraid to take the risk. 1241 01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:35,461 If we don't take the risk, we'll never know if a deal was possible. 1242 01:18:35,545 --> 01:18:37,547 [camera shutters clicking] 1243 01:18:39,173 --> 01:18:40,173 Good morning. 1244 01:18:41,008 --> 01:18:43,761 After lengthy discussion with the two leaders 1245 01:18:43,845 --> 01:18:46,305 and after listening to Secretary Albright's report, 1246 01:18:46,848 --> 01:18:49,350 I have concluded that this is the best way, 1247 01:18:49,434 --> 01:18:51,811 it is the only way, to move forward. 1248 01:18:52,603 --> 01:18:58,109 Movement now depends on historic decisions that only the two leaders can make. 1249 01:18:58,192 --> 01:19:01,612 To delay this gathering, to remain stalled, 1250 01:19:01,696 --> 01:19:03,698 is simply no longer an option. 1251 01:19:05,158 --> 01:19:07,160 [pensive music playing] 1252 01:19:13,791 --> 01:19:16,502 [Helal] We literally dragged Arafat into Camp David. 1253 01:19:16,586 --> 01:19:17,920 He did not want to go. 1254 01:19:18,504 --> 01:19:20,673 I think he was convinced 1255 01:19:20,757 --> 01:19:25,136 that we are dragging him to Camp David in order to squeeze him, 1256 01:19:25,219 --> 01:19:28,681 and there is something going on between the Israelis and the Americans, 1257 01:19:28,765 --> 01:19:31,476 and somehow, he will be trapped at Camp David. 1258 01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:49,702 [Ross] I had this conversation with Clinton before Arafat comes. 1259 01:19:49,786 --> 01:19:52,747 I said, "He's coming here. He's full of suspicions. 1260 01:19:52,830 --> 01:19:54,540 He feels it's a gang-up. 1261 01:19:55,208 --> 01:19:58,044 So your whole point here is to lift him up. 1262 01:19:59,462 --> 01:20:02,006 Play on who he is. Play on his aspirations. 1263 01:20:02,089 --> 01:20:04,884 Play on how much you want to be there 1264 01:20:04,967 --> 01:20:07,887 when the Palestinian flag is raised above a state. 1265 01:20:08,429 --> 01:20:11,933 Play upon that, and don't get into any of the substance." 1266 01:20:12,475 --> 01:20:14,477 [suspenseful music playing] 1267 01:20:24,028 --> 01:20:29,534 We needed to control, in a sense, how the summit was going to unfold. 1268 01:20:29,617 --> 01:20:33,371 I wanted the president, in day one, to meet with the two, 1269 01:20:33,454 --> 01:20:36,499 to outline to Barak and Arafat 1270 01:20:36,582 --> 01:20:41,212 what were gonna be the parameters of all the issues, except Jerusalem. 1271 01:20:44,215 --> 01:20:47,760 But when the president meets Barak, Barak says, no. 1272 01:20:49,595 --> 01:20:51,889 He doesn't wanna agree to the parameters we lay out. 1273 01:20:51,973 --> 01:20:54,225 He doesn't wanna proceed the way we proceed. 1274 01:20:54,767 --> 01:20:58,020 The president comes out and says, "Barak doesn't wanna do it." 1275 01:21:01,107 --> 01:21:05,236 Barak said, he felt that this was a betrayal of the No Surprise Rule. 1276 01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:07,196 We should not put something on the table 1277 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,240 that was not discussed with the Israelis first. 1278 01:21:09,323 --> 01:21:14,245 And so he told us he thought it was gonna destroy the trust between our delegations. 1279 01:21:15,705 --> 01:21:17,891 [Indyk] From that point on, anything we put on the table 1280 01:21:17,915 --> 01:21:21,127 was coordinated with Barak and seen by the Palestinians 1281 01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:24,922 as a fulfillment of Arafat's worst fears, 1282 01:21:25,006 --> 01:21:28,676 that Barak and Clinton were ganging up to impose a deal on him. 1283 01:21:28,759 --> 01:21:30,761 [Clinton speaking indistinctly] 1284 01:21:31,387 --> 01:21:35,558 [Miller] Let's be clear. And I'll put this right on the table. 1285 01:21:35,641 --> 01:21:38,853 If an honest broker means that here are the two sides, 1286 01:21:38,936 --> 01:21:40,605 my left hand and my right hand, 1287 01:21:41,147 --> 01:21:43,065 and an honest broker essentially means 1288 01:21:43,149 --> 01:21:44,984 you adopt positions that are in the middle, 1289 01:21:45,067 --> 01:21:46,861 that's not the United States. 1290 01:21:47,445 --> 01:21:49,196 We have rarely played that role. 1291 01:21:51,324 --> 01:21:54,744 [Kurtzer] In fact, the Americans' negotiating philosophy has been 1292 01:21:54,827 --> 01:21:58,122 the United States coordinates positions with Israel, 1293 01:21:58,205 --> 01:22:00,875 finds out how far Israel can go, 1294 01:22:00,958 --> 01:22:05,212 and then tries to market that outcome to the Palestinians. 1295 01:22:06,422 --> 01:22:09,008 If you're a Palestinian, you have to ask yourself: 1296 01:22:09,091 --> 01:22:11,218 "Why do I want the United States in the room?" 1297 01:22:11,302 --> 01:22:15,222 Since all the United States is doing is, in Aaron Miller's words: 1298 01:22:15,306 --> 01:22:16,974 "Acting as Israel's lawyer." 1299 01:22:17,058 --> 01:22:19,143 I know a lawyer when I see one. 1300 01:22:19,810 --> 01:22:23,856 And too many people in the Clinton administration, 1301 01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:27,777 myself included, functioned far too frequently 1302 01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:30,613 as Israel's lawyer during these negotiations. 1303 01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,159 Did we have a Palestinian lawyer on our team? 1304 01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:42,792 [pensive music playing] 1305 01:22:48,881 --> 01:22:52,218 The idea of Camp David that Barak put to us was, 1306 01:22:52,301 --> 01:22:53,511 we need a leader summit. 1307 01:22:54,136 --> 01:22:57,890 We get to Camp David, and Barak doesn't wanna deal with Arafat. 1308 01:22:59,725 --> 01:23:03,354 President Clinton wants to broker a meeting between the two leaders. 1309 01:23:03,437 --> 01:23:04,605 Barak doesn't wanna meet. 1310 01:23:04,689 --> 01:23:08,150 They have dinner. Barak spends time not talking to Arafat. 1311 01:23:09,944 --> 01:23:13,072 So the whole logic, again, became contradictory. 1312 01:23:13,155 --> 01:23:16,951 Why do you even need the summit if they weren't gonna speak? 1313 01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:24,750 [Ross] After the first days, I feel like we're in deep trouble. 1314 01:23:25,292 --> 01:23:27,545 I have a sinking feeling in my stomach 1315 01:23:28,087 --> 01:23:32,967 that this thing now is entirely on the wrong track. 1316 01:23:33,926 --> 01:23:36,470 I would occasionally call Debbie, my wife. 1317 01:23:36,554 --> 01:23:39,849 She'd say, "How's it going?" And I'll say, "Badly." 1318 01:23:39,932 --> 01:23:44,979 I said, "Everything I'm trying, doesn't matter what, it's failing." 1319 01:23:52,486 --> 01:23:55,406 [Miller] And here we were in an undisciplined summit, 1320 01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:57,366 with terrific food, 1321 01:23:58,034 --> 01:23:59,660 a lot of activities, 1322 01:23:59,744 --> 01:24:03,039 movies, golf carts, 1323 01:24:03,122 --> 01:24:08,419 which the Israelis and Palestinians love driving at excessive speeds. 1324 01:24:08,502 --> 01:24:11,589 I remember one senior American official saying to me, 1325 01:24:11,672 --> 01:24:13,674 Camp David was about getting up every morning 1326 01:24:13,758 --> 01:24:16,969 and asking ourselves, "What do we do today?" 1327 01:24:18,721 --> 01:24:20,973 "What do we do today?" 1328 01:24:21,766 --> 01:24:23,309 At a presidential summit? 1329 01:24:23,851 --> 01:24:28,272 Only the second in the modern history of the Arab-Israeli conflict, 1330 01:24:28,355 --> 01:24:33,569 where a president gathers the leaders to try to reach an agreement? 1331 01:24:33,652 --> 01:24:35,654 [thunder rumbling] 1332 01:24:41,243 --> 01:24:43,079 [Ross] The first seven days, 1333 01:24:43,162 --> 01:24:44,663 Barak resists everything. 1334 01:24:45,414 --> 01:24:48,584 And it's only at the point where the president becomes fed up with him, 1335 01:24:48,667 --> 01:24:51,337 where the president says, "Look, it's gonna break my heart, 1336 01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:53,380 but I've drafted a speech to say we've failed, 1337 01:24:53,464 --> 01:24:55,424 and I'm prepared to go give it." 1338 01:24:56,842 --> 01:24:59,887 Only when Barak understands the president is prepared to walk away 1339 01:24:59,970 --> 01:25:04,266 does he finally give us the serious set of moves on all the issues. 1340 01:25:05,434 --> 01:25:08,729 The very logic. In a sense, I said to everybody, 1341 01:25:08,813 --> 01:25:10,940 Barak said, "Get everybody in the pressure cooker." 1342 01:25:11,023 --> 01:25:13,567 And it worked. It worked on him, not Arafat. 1343 01:25:15,027 --> 01:25:16,695 Now Barak finally said, 1344 01:25:16,779 --> 01:25:19,573 here's what he was prepared to offer on borders 1345 01:25:19,657 --> 01:25:22,409 and what he was prepared to offer on Jerusalem as well. 1346 01:25:23,661 --> 01:25:25,871 He's prepared, in Jerusalem, 1347 01:25:25,955 --> 01:25:29,959 for all the outer neighborhoods to have Palestinian sovereignty, 1348 01:25:30,042 --> 01:25:32,044 and he's prepared 1349 01:25:32,128 --> 01:25:36,882 to allow the Christian and Muslim Quarters of the Old City to be Palestinian. 1350 01:25:38,968 --> 01:25:41,428 [Indyk] You have to understand that the issue of Jerusalem 1351 01:25:41,512 --> 01:25:44,932 was never negotiated before Camp David. 1352 01:25:45,015 --> 01:25:48,477 So when he came to Clinton with this offer 1353 01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:53,774 that the Arab suburbs of Jerusalem would be under Palestinian sovereignty, 1354 01:25:53,858 --> 01:25:55,901 this was very impressive. 1355 01:25:56,610 --> 01:26:00,906 And so we grabbed it, and Clinton proposed it to Arafat. 1356 01:26:03,242 --> 01:26:05,077 [Ross] When Clinton finally does it, 1357 01:26:05,161 --> 01:26:07,496 I'm listening through the crack in the door, 1358 01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:09,707 and the president does it brilliantly. 1359 01:26:10,291 --> 01:26:13,460 He goes through how hard it was to produce this. 1360 01:26:13,544 --> 01:26:15,629 This is what's possible. 1361 01:26:15,713 --> 01:26:17,214 He's gonna have a state. 1362 01:26:17,298 --> 01:26:20,718 He's gonna have a capital in a part of Jerusalem. 1363 01:26:20,801 --> 01:26:23,512 He's gonna have sovereignty in the Muslim and Christian Quarters. 1364 01:26:23,596 --> 01:26:24,972 He goes through it all. 1365 01:26:26,807 --> 01:26:28,225 He says to him: 1366 01:26:28,309 --> 01:26:31,979 "In the past, Palestinians didn't control their own destiny. 1367 01:26:33,105 --> 01:26:35,566 And each time after you weren't able to say yes, 1368 01:26:35,649 --> 01:26:36,649 you were worse off. 1369 01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:39,612 This time, if you say no, 1370 01:26:39,695 --> 01:26:43,115 when people look back and they regret it, they'll have nobody to blame. 1371 01:26:43,908 --> 01:26:46,035 It'll be you. This was your chance. 1372 01:26:46,118 --> 01:26:50,122 Don't let the next generation blame you for missing the opportunity." 1373 01:26:52,291 --> 01:26:54,043 And Arafat says he has to think about it. 1374 01:26:54,126 --> 01:26:57,379 He has questions. He has to think about it. He goes off. 1375 01:26:58,047 --> 01:26:59,924 And afterwards, the president's feeling good. 1376 01:27:00,007 --> 01:27:02,384 He feels like he did it well. He feels like... 1377 01:27:02,468 --> 01:27:05,846 The way he reads Arafat, he feels like Arafat was... 1378 01:27:06,430 --> 01:27:08,432 You know, he felt like he had him. 1379 01:27:10,392 --> 01:27:14,146 So it's like 1 in the morning. I go to sleep, and I fall asleep. 1380 01:27:18,108 --> 01:27:20,527 The next thing I know, it's morning. 1381 01:27:20,611 --> 01:27:23,822 Uh, and I'm told that they came back during the night, 1382 01:27:23,906 --> 01:27:28,327 and Sandy has, you know, basically said, "Look, it's take it or leave it." 1383 01:27:29,245 --> 01:27:30,412 Uh... 1384 01:27:30,496 --> 01:27:32,081 And so they say no. 1385 01:27:32,164 --> 01:27:34,166 [solemn music playing] 1386 01:27:54,853 --> 01:27:55,896 I felt sick. 1387 01:27:58,190 --> 01:28:00,818 I felt physically sick. 1388 01:28:03,028 --> 01:28:04,697 I felt in my stomach 1389 01:28:04,780 --> 01:28:07,992 that this was a high-stakes venture that had failed... 1390 01:28:09,201 --> 01:28:13,914 and that I bore responsibility because, in the end, I pushed for it. 1391 01:28:15,082 --> 01:28:18,502 - [interviewer] But you didn't push for it. - But I did in the end. But I did. 1392 01:28:18,585 --> 01:28:20,296 I did in the end. I knew better. 1393 01:28:20,379 --> 01:28:24,717 I should have known also that this wasn't the only time to hold a summit. 1394 01:28:25,301 --> 01:28:26,802 I should have known that. 1395 01:28:32,224 --> 01:28:33,559 [Indyk] Arafat said no. 1396 01:28:34,226 --> 01:28:37,146 We couldn't understand it. How could he reject such an offer? 1397 01:28:37,229 --> 01:28:39,648 He could never have hoped to get such an offer. 1398 01:28:40,190 --> 01:28:43,152 But we didn't understand at the time... It's obvious in retrospect. 1399 01:28:43,235 --> 01:28:45,612 But at the time, what we didn't understand was, 1400 01:28:45,696 --> 01:28:47,948 this was an end-of-conflict deal. 1401 01:28:48,032 --> 01:28:49,325 This was it. 1402 01:28:49,408 --> 01:28:53,329 There was no chance to revise it, get a better deal later. 1403 01:28:53,412 --> 01:28:56,498 Barak was insisting this was it, end of claims. 1404 01:28:56,582 --> 01:29:03,172 And the proposal would have left Israel with sovereignty on the Temple Mount, 1405 01:29:03,255 --> 01:29:04,548 Haram al-Sharif, 1406 01:29:04,631 --> 01:29:07,551 with the Al Aqsa Mosque in Israel's hands. 1407 01:29:08,635 --> 01:29:13,098 This was exactly what Arafat needed to be able to reject the whole thing 1408 01:29:13,182 --> 01:29:16,643 because no Arab leader, as he told Clinton, 1409 01:29:16,727 --> 01:29:19,104 no Arab leader would accept 1410 01:29:19,688 --> 01:29:22,900 that sovereignty over the third-holiest mosque in Islam 1411 01:29:22,983 --> 01:29:24,610 would be in Israel's hands. 1412 01:29:25,986 --> 01:29:29,448 Arafat thought that if he would agree, he would be killed. 1413 01:29:29,531 --> 01:29:31,700 And I remember Barak saying that: 1414 01:29:31,784 --> 01:29:34,453 "So be it. I could be killed, you could be killed. 1415 01:29:34,536 --> 01:29:37,664 And any leader who wants to change the reality could be killed." 1416 01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:41,752 [Miller] We were the ones who were supposed 1417 01:29:41,835 --> 01:29:44,838 to present Arafat with a series of ultimatums 1418 01:29:44,922 --> 01:29:46,715 and pressure him to accept it. 1419 01:29:46,799 --> 01:29:49,927 That was Barak's whole logic, to use us 1420 01:29:50,010 --> 01:29:53,806 and use the president's credibility to pry out of Arafat 1421 01:29:53,889 --> 01:29:57,351 concessions in the cauldron and the heat of the summit. 1422 01:29:57,434 --> 01:30:01,313 As if Arafat, with the burden of Jerusalem on his shoulders, 1423 01:30:01,397 --> 01:30:03,732 was going to cave in and collapse 1424 01:30:03,816 --> 01:30:07,861 in front of this mighty effort on the part of President Clinton, 1425 01:30:07,945 --> 01:30:11,281 when you had a billion Muslims in the world 1426 01:30:12,324 --> 01:30:15,911 who would have issued fatwas for his death 1427 01:30:15,994 --> 01:30:19,790 had he compromised on any aspect of the Jerusalem issue? 1428 01:30:19,873 --> 01:30:21,875 [indistinct chatter] 1429 01:30:28,257 --> 01:30:32,219 Barak and Clinton, each in their own way, 1430 01:30:32,302 --> 01:30:36,515 wrongly believed that the power of personality 1431 01:30:36,598 --> 01:30:40,644 and the power of persuasion and the power of manipulation 1432 01:30:40,727 --> 01:30:44,356 could somehow transform and change Arafat. 1433 01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:49,319 They wanted to ascend a mountain 1434 01:30:49,403 --> 01:30:53,824 by the very power of their own personas, their own logic 1435 01:30:53,907 --> 01:30:57,411 and what they believed to be, wrongly again, 1436 01:30:57,494 --> 01:31:01,165 a moment for Clinton and for Barak. 1437 01:31:01,248 --> 01:31:06,420 And that is why both of them hold Arafat in such contempt, 1438 01:31:06,503 --> 01:31:12,384 fundamentally responsible for not recognizing his moment. 1439 01:31:13,135 --> 01:31:18,056 It was their moment, and yet Arafat didn't understand 1440 01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:21,852 that he was part of this plan of great leadership. 1441 01:31:29,193 --> 01:31:31,403 [solemn music playing] 1442 01:31:43,999 --> 01:31:48,879 Trying and failing is much better than not having tried at all, 1443 01:31:48,962 --> 01:31:51,757 and I remember the president saying that to us. 1444 01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,634 I was inspired by it. 1445 01:31:53,717 --> 01:31:57,554 But, you see, that's a slogan for a college football team. 1446 01:31:58,263 --> 01:32:03,936 It's not a substitute for a foreign policy of the most consequential nation on earth. 1447 01:32:04,019 --> 01:32:05,521 Failure costs. 1448 01:32:06,313 --> 01:32:10,025 I don't know. I mean, I don't wanna be too hard on the process. 1449 01:32:10,108 --> 01:32:12,152 I include myself in this. 1450 01:32:12,236 --> 01:32:16,490 I was as much a part of this enterprise as anybody else, 1451 01:32:16,573 --> 01:32:18,408 in terms of wanting it to succeed. 1452 01:32:18,492 --> 01:32:22,079 I just believe, when I look back now, 1453 01:32:22,162 --> 01:32:25,374 we saw the world the way we wanted it to be. 1454 01:32:25,457 --> 01:32:29,002 We did not see the world the way it was. 1455 01:32:29,086 --> 01:32:32,047 - [dramatic music playing] - [crowd clamoring] 1456 01:32:42,724 --> 01:32:48,647 [in Hebrew] The picture that is emerging is that there is no partner for peace. 1457 01:32:49,356 --> 01:32:53,443 This truth is a painful one, 1458 01:32:53,527 --> 01:32:59,408 but that's the truth and we must face the consequences. 1459 01:32:59,491 --> 01:33:00,826 [sirens wailing] 1460 01:33:04,871 --> 01:33:09,418 That summit, with the best of intentions and the best of purposes, 1461 01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:15,090 laid the basis for a trauma in the Israeli-Palestinian relationship 1462 01:33:15,173 --> 01:33:19,928 from which that relationship has not yet recovered. 1463 01:33:23,181 --> 01:33:25,392 It was a very hard time, 1464 01:33:25,475 --> 01:33:28,312 as everything we'd strived for 1465 01:33:28,395 --> 01:33:31,356 had just come apart, destroyed. 1466 01:33:32,190 --> 01:33:34,818 All of our efforts had gone up in flames. 1467 01:33:35,485 --> 01:33:39,281 Instead of comprehensive peace, we ended up with misery 1468 01:33:39,364 --> 01:33:41,700 on both sides, 1469 01:33:41,783 --> 01:33:44,286 and there was nothing I could do about it. 1470 01:33:52,753 --> 01:33:56,381 [Ross] Two or three days before the end of Clinton's presidency, 1471 01:33:56,465 --> 01:34:01,053 Arafat calls to say goodbye to him, and he tells him, "You're a great man." 1472 01:34:02,095 --> 01:34:06,099 And the president says, "I'm not a great man. I'm a failure. 1473 01:34:06,183 --> 01:34:07,809 And you made me a failure." 1474 01:34:13,023 --> 01:34:15,025 [dramatic music playing] 1475 01:34:23,617 --> 01:34:27,537 [Miller] In March of '02, I was trying to help negotiate a ceasefire 1476 01:34:27,621 --> 01:34:29,581 between Israelis and Palestinians. 1477 01:34:29,665 --> 01:34:32,584 I went to see Arafat at the Mukataa. 1478 01:34:32,668 --> 01:34:35,962 The door was barricaded. Mukataa was dark. 1479 01:34:36,046 --> 01:34:39,841 We made our way up to Arafat's second-floor conference room. 1480 01:34:39,925 --> 01:34:43,762 There in the conference room, with the windows blacked out, 1481 01:34:43,845 --> 01:34:48,225 candles on the table, Arafat in full battle regalia, 1482 01:34:48,308 --> 01:34:52,854 with his machine pistol sitting on top of the table. 1483 01:34:53,689 --> 01:34:56,233 And it was then I understood 1484 01:34:56,316 --> 01:35:00,320 that the struggler was so much a part of Arafat's identity 1485 01:35:00,404 --> 01:35:03,740 that he was, in many respects, in his element. 1486 01:35:07,786 --> 01:35:11,164 The last time I saw him was October of '04. 1487 01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:15,377 Arafat had so fundamentally changed in appearance 1488 01:35:15,460 --> 01:35:19,881 that I didn't even realize it was the same person. 1489 01:35:19,965 --> 01:35:22,843 He had on a ski hat. 1490 01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:27,347 He looked like a senior in a retirement community in Florida. 1491 01:35:28,807 --> 01:35:33,645 And I thought to myself how absurd this was, the whole enterprise. 1492 01:35:33,729 --> 01:35:35,522 Within two weeks, he was dead. 1493 01:35:36,148 --> 01:35:38,483 [solemn music playing] 1494 01:35:49,453 --> 01:35:51,288 [man 26] President Bush ramped up talks 1495 01:35:51,371 --> 01:35:53,540 with the Israeli and Palestinian prime ministers. 1496 01:35:53,623 --> 01:35:55,709 [woman 7]...promised high-level talks... 1497 01:35:55,792 --> 01:35:59,713 [man 27] Another bloody day for Israelis and Palestinians... 1498 01:35:59,796 --> 01:36:03,425 [man 28]...have gathered in Annapolis, Maryland, to talk... 1499 01:36:03,508 --> 01:36:06,470 [woman 8] The goal, a peace agreement by the end of next year. 1500 01:36:06,553 --> 01:36:09,014 [various voices speaking indistinctly] 1501 01:36:16,146 --> 01:36:18,648 [woman 9] ...Israeli officer just outside Jerusalem. 1502 01:36:18,732 --> 01:36:21,943 [woman 10] The attacks across the Gaza Strip have left over... 1503 01:36:22,027 --> 01:36:24,696 [woman 11] ...efforts to secure Arab-Israeli peace... 1504 01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:26,990 [woman 12] Secretary of State John Kerry 1505 01:36:27,073 --> 01:36:29,367 goes to Jerusalem today to meet with Israeli... 1506 01:36:29,451 --> 01:36:33,538 [man 29] This morning, Israeli police shot and killed a Palestinian youngster 1507 01:36:33,622 --> 01:36:36,124 after he stabbed an Israeli officer... 1508 01:36:38,376 --> 01:36:42,297 [man 30] President Obama tried to revive Israeli-Palestinian peace talks... 1509 01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:45,008 [solemn music playing] 1510 01:37:03,193 --> 01:37:07,614 It's a history of missed opportunities. 1511 01:37:07,697 --> 01:37:11,326 And the missed opportunities were not just, as Israelis love to believe, 1512 01:37:11,409 --> 01:37:15,622 it was just the Arabs or the Palestinians that missed the opportunities. 1513 01:37:15,705 --> 01:37:19,292 Israel and the United States missed the opportunities too. 1514 01:37:19,376 --> 01:37:20,877 And it's a tragedy. 1515 01:37:20,961 --> 01:37:22,796 It's a terrible tragedy 1516 01:37:22,879 --> 01:37:27,634 that we couldn't get the Syrian deal and we couldn't get the Palestinian deal. 1517 01:37:29,928 --> 01:37:33,306 [Miller] Looking back right now, if I could change one thing, 1518 01:37:33,390 --> 01:37:37,769 I would take the word "peace" and I would find another word for it. 1519 01:37:38,478 --> 01:37:40,480 We've never had it between Arabs and Israelis 1520 01:37:40,564 --> 01:37:43,316 in the sense that you and I would understand. 1521 01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:44,776 We don't have it now. 1522 01:37:44,860 --> 01:37:50,782 And I would essentially not use that word because it creates false expectations, 1523 01:37:50,866 --> 01:37:57,622 and it creates a level of aspiration that we can't achieve. 1524 01:38:03,169 --> 01:38:06,298 [Malley] For decades, we've tried so many ways on negotiations 1525 01:38:06,381 --> 01:38:08,717 in so many different iterations. 1526 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,093 It all failed. 1527 01:38:10,176 --> 01:38:11,887 Even today, there are a lot of people 1528 01:38:11,970 --> 01:38:14,681 who say that all we need to do is just keep the process alive 1529 01:38:14,764 --> 01:38:17,809 because without a process, just the process, 1530 01:38:17,893 --> 01:38:20,437 things will get worse, things will collapse. 1531 01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:24,024 It's the bicycle metaphor. The bicycle needs to keep moving. 1532 01:38:24,608 --> 01:38:29,571 There's the other view, which is, if we simply keep the process alive, 1533 01:38:30,488 --> 01:38:33,074 we are distorting the perceptions of both sides, 1534 01:38:33,158 --> 01:38:34,743 we're enabling the status quo, 1535 01:38:34,826 --> 01:38:38,038 and, in fact, far from pushing towards a decision, 1536 01:38:38,121 --> 01:38:40,415 we are facilitating the perpetuation 1537 01:38:40,498 --> 01:38:42,542 of a status quo that we claim is unsustainable. 1538 01:38:42,626 --> 01:38:46,171 Because if we keep saying, "Let's bring them together and negotiate," 1539 01:38:46,254 --> 01:38:49,841 and they don't reach a deal, at some point, this looks like a farce. 1540 01:38:49,925 --> 01:38:51,927 [camera shutters clicking] 1541 01:38:54,596 --> 01:39:00,602 The United States will encourage a peace and, really, a great peace deal. 1542 01:39:00,685 --> 01:39:04,689 We'll be working on it very, very diligently. 1543 01:39:05,357 --> 01:39:08,026 Bibi and I have known each other a long time, 1544 01:39:08,109 --> 01:39:12,530 a smart man, great negotiator, and I think we're gonna make a deal. 1545 01:39:12,614 --> 01:39:16,326 Might be bigger and better than people in this room understand. 1546 01:39:16,409 --> 01:39:19,454 That's a possibility. So let's see what we do. 1547 01:39:21,247 --> 01:39:22,247 Let's try. 1548 01:39:23,583 --> 01:39:26,670 - Doesn't sound too optimistic, but... - [audience laughs] 1549 01:39:29,547 --> 01:39:33,718 [interviewer] Dennis, the Middle East is in the middle of profound transformation. 1550 01:39:33,802 --> 01:39:36,221 There are many in Israel relieved that you never succeeded 1551 01:39:36,304 --> 01:39:38,431 with the Palestinian and the Syrian. 1552 01:39:38,515 --> 01:39:39,432 I know they say that. 1553 01:39:39,516 --> 01:39:41,518 Israel would have handed over the Golan Heights, 1554 01:39:41,601 --> 01:39:46,189 leaving itself directly exposed to attacks from Assad's friends, Iran and Hezbollah. 1555 01:39:46,940 --> 01:39:50,151 The whole Middle East might've been different if you had peace. 1556 01:39:50,235 --> 01:39:54,406 You know, it's like the track, the possibility not taken, 1557 01:39:54,489 --> 01:39:58,118 you don't know all the other things that would've taken place. 1558 01:39:58,201 --> 01:40:03,289 People today say, "Oh, how lucky we were that the deal wasn't made." 1559 01:40:03,373 --> 01:40:06,876 But what they miss is that it would have changed everything. 1560 01:40:08,169 --> 01:40:10,171 [interviewer] What do you mean? 1561 01:40:10,255 --> 01:40:14,009 Because I believe we would have gotten a comprehensive peace, 1562 01:40:14,092 --> 01:40:16,886 with the Palestinians, the Syrians and the Lebanese. 1563 01:40:16,970 --> 01:40:20,515 Do you think that the fate of Syria would have been different? 1564 01:40:20,598 --> 01:40:22,034 - If Syria... - You cannot tell me... 1565 01:40:22,058 --> 01:40:26,062 If Syria had made a peace deal with Israel, 1566 01:40:26,146 --> 01:40:27,772 circumstances would've been different. 1567 01:40:27,856 --> 01:40:30,233 The future of the Middle East would have been different. 1568 01:40:30,316 --> 01:40:32,318 I can't tell you exactly how, 1569 01:40:32,402 --> 01:40:35,905 but it would be dramatically different to the way it is now. 1570 01:40:35,989 --> 01:40:37,991 [pensive music playing] 1571 01:40:41,536 --> 01:40:45,749 [Helal] It's a mistake to assume that all sides are eager to have peace. 1572 01:40:45,832 --> 01:40:48,752 It's always easy to have an enemy out there. 1573 01:40:49,502 --> 01:40:52,130 Peace is, uh, hard work, 1574 01:40:52,213 --> 01:40:56,468 and changing minds, changing hearts, accepting the other side. 1575 01:40:56,551 --> 01:41:01,222 You really have to look at tomorrow and what you're gonna do about tomorrow. 1576 01:41:01,306 --> 01:41:04,684 Uh, a lot of parties feel comfort in the past. 1577 01:41:09,397 --> 01:41:13,693 As a matter of fact, today, I cannot think of a way 1578 01:41:13,777 --> 01:41:18,031 to really settle the Palestinian-Israeli issue. 1579 01:41:18,114 --> 01:41:20,950 Is the idea of two-state solution still possible? 1580 01:41:21,034 --> 01:41:23,620 I doubt it. I really don't think it's there. 1581 01:41:25,413 --> 01:41:29,250 When you look at the animosity and the hatred that exists, 1582 01:41:29,334 --> 01:41:31,795 the human side is completely out. 1583 01:41:33,254 --> 01:41:36,674 People just love to demonize the other side. 1584 01:41:36,758 --> 01:41:39,302 All their ills is because of the other side. 1585 01:41:39,385 --> 01:41:42,055 All their problems because of the other side. 1586 01:41:42,806 --> 01:41:44,808 And unfortunately, today, 1587 01:41:44,891 --> 01:41:48,728 the leaders are basically a reflection of their own societies. 1588 01:41:48,812 --> 01:41:53,942 And unless you are planning on accepting the other side, 1589 01:41:54,818 --> 01:41:57,904 there is zero hope for a solution. 1590 01:42:08,289 --> 01:42:10,291 [pensive music playing] 135602

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