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[pensive music playing]
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[man 1] I'm a big believerin negotiations.
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Nobody outsmarts anybody.
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The idea that you can manipulate somebody
in a negotiation is an illusion.
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And yet, at the crunch point,
it's ultimately about a manipulation
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because you're trying
to convince the other side:
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"I can do X, but I can't do Y."
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And the other side has to believe
that's not a manipulation.
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They have to believe that's real.
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And the only way you get
to that point is by establishing
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a relationship of credibility and trust
with who it is you're negotiating.
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You can't ignore the human factor.
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Someone who has the human touch
treats someone else with respect.
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Someone who has the human touch
doesn't think they'll outsmart anybody.
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Someone who has the human touch
will fulfill the empathy role.
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The essence of empathy is the capacity
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to put yourself in somebody else's shoes.
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And what you're trying to do
as a mediator is,
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first, to get each side
to adjust to a reality,
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and the reality is they're not gonna get
what they need addressed
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unless they will address
the needs of the other side.
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[man 2] In the Middle East,the challenge is building bridges
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between different cultures.
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And the most important tool is language
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because diplomacy is all about language.
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It is the art of using language.
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It's the power of the word
and the notion behind the word.
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For example, when you talk about
the possibility of peace
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and you talk about the future,
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actually, the word "future"
in the minds of the Arabs
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is different than the word "future"
when we talk about it.
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When we talk about the future,
we mean the future.
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When the Arabs talk about the future,
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they are talking about fixing
the injustice of the past.
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Then you can talk about the future.
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We talk about the future, assuming that,
okay, let's forget about the past
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because tomorrow should be better,
and tomorrow is what we're talking about.
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That's not the way it works.
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I have served
about seven Secretary of States.
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Maybe eight. I have to count.
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And four American presidents.
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The Middle East peace is always
a very attractive proposition.
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It's a very sexy topic.
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I cannot think of a Secretary of State
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that did not want
to get involved in the Middle East.
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And by the way, all of them think
they can reinvent the wheel,
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and all of them think that they can
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sort of, like,
ignore history and start fresh.
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It will never happen in the Middle East.
The Middle East is all about history.
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That is part of the problem.
That is the curse.
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[jazz music playing]
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It's gonna take
some really good-faith, affirmative effort
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on the part of our good friends in Israel.
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Everybody over there should know
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that the telephone number is
1-202-456-1414.
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When you're serious about peace, call us.
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[man 3] Jim Baker was by far,head and shoulders,
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the most effective Secretary of State
with whom I worked
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because of the degree
to which he understood
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how to manipulate and use power.
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He and President George H.W. Bush
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were long-standing friends,
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so Baker had an incredible asset
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to be able to walk into a room,
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and you literally are walking in
as the United States of America.
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[man 1] It was the spring of 1991.
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It's the end of the Cold War.
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We were the only superpower
after the Gulf War.
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It was difficult for anybody
to be saying no to us,
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so I feel like
there's a possibility to do something
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with Arabs and Israelis.
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[pensive music playing]
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[Kurtzer] It was early June of 1991
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where Baker thought
after about three or four trips
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that he had reached a point
where he could, uh,
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form the Israeli-Arab conference.
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And he sent a letter
to the Israeli Prime Minister Shamir
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and to the Syrian leader, President Assad,
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asking them to say yes to the idea
of a conference leading to negotiations.
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They both basically said no,
they weren't gonna do it.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[man 1] Yitzhak Shamir was someone
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who was profoundly distrustful
of the Arabs.
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He felt every step was a risk.
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He saw no benefit from his steps.
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[Shamir] The land of Israel,from the sea to the river,
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it's my dream.
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I am fighting for it.
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His concern was that Israel
might have to give up something.
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That's the last thing he ever
wanted to do, give up anything.
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The Syrian president Assad,
from his side,
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had a very traditional Arab concern,
and that was:
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"Should we be making peace
with Israel at all?"
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[in Arabic] We will keep fighting
for a just peace based on the return
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of all Arab lands occupied in 1967
and the return of citizenship rights
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to the Palestinian people.
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[Kurtzer] Baker was ableto stare down Shamir and Assad.
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We called him a consummate actor.
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And what we meant by that was
that he could walk into a room,
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sense what needed to be done
and what attitude to put on
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and how to work the other side.
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[man 2] I remember when President Assad
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was saying
that American forces can play a role
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in pushing the Israeli forces, uh,
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outside the Golan Heights.
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He knew that wouldn't happen,
but he thought he could throw it in.
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[man 4] We were watchingfrom behind the curtain,
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and we could see
Baker's frustration was rising.
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He got so upset,
and he said the following to Assad:
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"Yeah, Mr. President?
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And if a frog could fly,
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it wouldn't drag its balls
on the ground either."
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[Helal] I looked at him and said,"Do you want me to interpret this?"
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He said,
"No, I think they got the message."
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See, in the Middle East,
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all sides would love
to take America for a ride.
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There is the tendency that somehow
maybe you can fool the Americans.
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Secretary Baker was willing
to tolerate some of that
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but not all of it.
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[man 1] So we have gottenSyrian acceptance
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for going to a conference,
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and after we get Syrian acceptance of it,
then Shamir says to Baker:
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"Assad only said yes
because he thought I would say no."
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Baker says, "That's right,
so prove him wrong."
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[Baker] If we can create a process...So I hope to make new progress.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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[Miller] After that trip, Baker told me,in his Texas accent:
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"In my next life, I wanna be
a Middle East negotiator like you
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'cause I'll be guaranteed
a permanent source of employment."
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[man 5] Secretary Baker isin Jerusalem today,
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facing the challenge
of forming a Palestinian delegation.
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Any delay will be
a major setback to Baker's plans
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for an historic
Israeli-Arab peace conference.
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In his final effort to bring all parties
to the negotiating table,
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Baker will meet with leaders
from the occupied territories
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without the green light
of the PLO's leader in exile,
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Chairman Yasser Arafat.
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[Helal] Arafat was the Palestinian cause.
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He was the conductor,
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and he basically was
the number one, two and three
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on the Palestinian side.
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The United States and Israel were
the last two countries
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who did not deal
over the years with Arafat
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because we saw Arafat as a terrorist.
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At the same time,
the whole world recognized Arafat,
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and he was treated everywhere
as a head of state.
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[speaking in Arabic]
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I said, and I say again,
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that if the representatives
on the conference
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will say that they speak
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on behalf of the PLO,
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we will not speak with them.
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[speaking indistinctly]
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[Kurtzer] So Baker is dealingwith this ad hoc group,
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and they were
in a very challenging position
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because they were representing the PLO,
but they couldn't say they were.
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[Miller] We were sitting therein our consulate in East Jerusalem,
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and the PLO would not provide
the names of the delegation.
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And Baker made it very clear
that his frustration was rising.
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He pulled us aside and he said:
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"I'm gonna slam my notebook shut,
I'm walking out of this room,
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and you'll orchestrate this for me."
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So in the middle of the conversation,
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bam goes the notebook, out goes Baker
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and the Palestinians are stunned.
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Both Dennis and I said,
"Do you realize what's just happened?
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The Secretary of State
of the United States of America
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has just vacated the room,
he's gonna take a walk."
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They got on the phone,
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they called Tunis, Arafat gave the okay,
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Baker came back,
and like a football coach in a huddle,
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put his arms around the Palestinians.
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I'm sitting there,
watching this whole thing, just amazed
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at how a guy understands
how to use his own persona
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and theater.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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The bus is not gonna come by again,
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and Palestinians have more to lose
in its absence
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than do anybody else.
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[bells tolling]
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[upbeat music playing]
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[Helal] It was history in the making.
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The idea of breaking through that taboo
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and have all the Arabs
and Israelis together was unbelievable.
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[Kurtzer] For the peace team,the conference was actually unimportant
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because it was a show.
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[Bush] A Middle East where young peopleno longer have to dedicate...
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[Kurtzer] What was important was,
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would there be the beginning
of bilateral negotiations
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the next day after the conference?
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[Baker] If you would like me to,
I'll tell you a little bit...
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We have to crawl before we walk,
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and we have to walk before we run,
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and today I think we all began to crawl.
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[Kurtzer] We got on the plane,we were exhausted,
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and Baker came
to our area in the airplane,
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and he said to us that he would probably
be going back to the White House
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to help the president get reelected,
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which he did that summer.
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But he said,
"Once the president is reelected,
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I'm coming back to the State Department,
and we'll start signing peace treaties."
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And then there were elections.
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The good news was that, uh,
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Mr. Rabin won the Israeli election
in June of '92,
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and the other news was that, uh,
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Mr. Bush lost the election
in November of '92,
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which we didn't know at the time,
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but it was to usher in
a very different period ahead.
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Dan Rather reporting.
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It appears a major change is coming
in the government of Israel
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that could have far-reaching consequences
for the Middle East and world peace.
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A big victory for the Labor Party,
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led by former prime minister
Yitzhak Rabin.
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Rabin has promised to break the logjam
in peace talks with Arabs.
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Let's shift the confrontation
to negotiation.
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Let's solve it not by using stones
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but around the negotiation table.
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[man 6] Israelis decided todayto take risks and make compromises,
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to perhaps change the map
of their country,
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in an effort to make peace
with their neighbors.
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[man 1] After the election,I was coming to Israel.
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I go and I see Rabin
on a Friday afternoon.
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And it's a couple hours before Shabbat,
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and I say to him, "What are your plans?"
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He says, "Look, I wanna go
for a full deal with the Palestinians."
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And so I said,
"How do you plan to go about it?"
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He says, "I'm not gonna rush into it.
I have to lay the groundwork.
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But, you know, I'm confident I can do it
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because I have all my boys
around me here in the military."
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I said, "Is it that important to have
your guys in the military around you?"
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He says, "I have to have that."
I said, "Why?"
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He said, "When I take the steps
that we'll have to take
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to resolve this with the Palestinians,
I'm afraid we could have a civil war,
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and I need to have my guys.
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You know, they trust me, and I trust them.
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- And I need them when I face that."
- [interviewer] Whoa.
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I'll tell you, it was a wow for me too.
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He used "civil war."
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I said, "I don't...
I don't fully know what that means."
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But, I mean, he expects
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there's gonna be full-born battles
internally within Israel.
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[man 7] When Bill Clinton waselected president,
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he asked me to go in with him
to the White House
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to be his Middle East adviser.
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And I told him,
"Everything is coming together in a way
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that you will have a chance
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to achieve four peace agreements
in your first term."
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And he looked at me,
and said, "I want to do that."
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[Clinton] Security conditionsthat in my judgment are...
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[Kurtzer] The first visit of Rabinto the United States,
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he has his meetings with the president
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and Warren Christopher,
the Secretary of State.
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But he also asks for a meeting
with the peace team
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without the Secretary of State,
just with us, which was very unusual.
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And what we heard was a Rabin monologue.
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He spent an inordinate amount of time
thinking out loud
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of why the Palestinian delegation
to the peace talks
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was not empowered to make decisions,
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and therefore there would be no progress,
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why Yasser Arafat and the PLO
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had the power to make decisions,
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but he didn't trust them.
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He basically said to us, "No Palestinians
can make any decisions without the PLO."
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Which meant...
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We actually asked him,
"Does that mean you'll deal with the PLO?"
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He says, "No."
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I remember leaving that breakfast saying,
"He's gonna deal with the PLO.
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Not now but it's coming."
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[Indyk] The policy from the Americanpoint of view was Syria first,
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for several reasons.
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The issues were relatively uncomplicated.
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The Golan Heights was not a simple issue,
but it was just a territorial issue.
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Palestinians, on the other hand,
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had the PLO as their supposed
sole legitimate representative.
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We had no ability to deal with the PLO.
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We had legislation that was up to here
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on preventing any kind
of official engagement with the PLO.
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It was a terrorist organization
on our terrorist list.
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And Secretary of State Christopher
believed
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that there was a chance
to make an Israeli-Syrian peace deal.
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[Ross] Warren Christopher and I,we were going out to Israel.
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We get into a meeting,
and Rabin wants only the two of us,
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not the rest
of the American delegation.
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And he says, "I want now
to go for a deal with Syria.
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Let's see if Assad is prepared to do it.
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I'm prepared to put in your pocket,
not to give to him.
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It has to be completely secret.
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If it comes out now, I'll deny it."
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But he says he's prepared to commit
to full withdrawal from the Golan Heights.
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[Indyk] So we had in our pocket
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the critical ingredient for a peace deal,
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that Israel was ready
to withdraw from the Golan Heights.
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But Rabin said, "It's in your pocket.
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You can't take it out of your pocket
until Assad meets my requirements
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for security arrangements,
normalization and real peace."
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[Ross] When we get to Damascus,
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we ask Assad
to have a one-on-one meeting,
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but Assad wanted to have two on his side.
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And I remember saying to Assad:
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"Rabin has made it clear,
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if this leaks out,
he denies it ever existed."
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And Assad said,
"Anyone who would leak this
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would be damaging
Syria's national interests,
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and they know
what the consequences are
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for damaging Syria's national interests."
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He said it just that way. It was chilling.
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I mean, it was really chilling.
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Then we talk about the pocket
and it becomes clear pretty quickly,
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he's taken what's in our pocket
and he's prepared to pocket it,
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and now what is important
to Rabin is negotiable.
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What he got, he got.
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And so he wants to know why Rabin wants
five years for the time of withdrawal.
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And normalization?
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He doesn't like the term "normalization."
Normal peaceful relations.
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Everything is kind of grudging.
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When we come back and present to Rabin
what was the discussion,
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and by definition,
we put the best face on it.
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[Kurtzer] Rabin was furious at usfor mishandling the deposit.
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Because Rabin gives this
extraordinary commitment to Christopher,
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does not want Christopher
to give it to Assad,
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wants Christopher to put it in his pocket,
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and wants Christopher to elicit from Assad
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a parallel commitment,
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which he puts in his other pocket,
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and then at some point
takes the two out and says:
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"Hey, folks,
we have a conceptual agreement."
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And instead, Christopher gives away
the Israeli bottom line.
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[Indyk] It's just worth notinghow skillful Rabin was
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with outmaneuvering everybody.
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He said to us
after we came back from Damascus
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that we needed to keep working it.
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He went out in the press conference
and said, "Good news from Damascus."
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You have brought good news.
It's only the beginning.
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[Indyk] When he said it, I lookedat Dennis, said, "What is he doing?"
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We didn't know that at the same time
there was an official negotiation
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between Israel and the PLO in Oslo.
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So we didn't understand that
Rabin was pressuring Arafat at that point.
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It was only discovered afterwards.
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Dan Kurtzer said to us,
"I heard that the Oslo deal is completed."
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And we said,
"Oh, yeah, sure, of course," you know.
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I've been much impressed
with the serious engagement
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of all the parties
we've been meeting with...
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[Indyk] It suited him to act as if therewas real progress on the Syrian track
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because the more it looked
like the Syrian track was moving,
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the more Arafat would feel he better move,
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or Assad...
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And Assad and Arafat were sworn enemies.
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Or Assad was gonna steal a match on him.
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And so we went all off
for our summer holidays,
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and Dennis calls me
from San Francisco.
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He says, "Pack your bags."
It was the middle of the night.
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"We're gonna have a ceremony
at the White House, uh,
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for an Israeli-Palestinian agreement."
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I was in shock.
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I said, you know,
"You've gotta be joking."
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Rabin and Peres went off,
essentially behind our backs,
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did the deal with the Palestinians.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Ross] Peres comes to see uswith the declaration of principles.
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While we've been getting the briefing,
I'm also going through it.
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When I finish,
Christopher says, "What do you think?"
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And I said,
"I think two very different things.
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First, this is a historic breakthrough.
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These are two national movements
competing for the same space.
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They haven't been prepared
to recognize each other.
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And here's a document
that has them recognizing each other.
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And we should embrace it."
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Then I said to him,
"But it's aspirational.
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Nothing is concrete here.
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So the real hard work will begin now.
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But a historic threshold is being crossed
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because you're taking
what was an existential conflict
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and you're turning it
into a political conflict.
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That's huge."
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Christopher said,
"The president will love this."
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Morning.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
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today marks a shining moment of hope
for the people of the Middle East
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and indeed of the entire world.
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The Israelis and the Palestinians
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have now agreed upon
a declaration of principles,
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on interim self-government
that opens the door
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to a comprehensive and lasting settlement.
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The signing ceremony will take place
at the White House on Monday.
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[woman 1] For Yasser Arafat,the invitation to Washington
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is the culmination of years of struggle
to gain international acceptance.
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When he steps out
to the White House lawn on Monday,
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he hopes to shake off
his guerrilla past once and for all.
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The president asked me to find out
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whether Rabin would agree
to shake Arafat's hand.
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So I went to Eitan Haber,
Rabin's chief of staff.
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And he said,
"Well, Rabin agrees to shake his hand,
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but he has three conditions.
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No gun,
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no uniform
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and no kissing."
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[upbeat music playing]
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[man 8] PLO leader Yasser Arafat
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arrived here in Washington, D.C.
this afternoon.
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He is scheduled to take part
in tomorrow morning's signing ceremony
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for the Middle East peace agreement.
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We'll now take a look at his arrival.
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We went to see Arafat,
tried to convince him
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and persuade him
that he simply cannot carry a gun.
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So he wanted to say,
"Can I have the holster without the gun?"
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And we said, "That won't work either."
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[Indyk] The kissing issue,I delegated to Ed Djerejian,
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who was the one who had to go out
to Andrews Air Force Base to greet Arafat.
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And I said, "You've got to figure out
a way to stop Arafat from kissing you.
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Because if he kisses you, the game's up.
He'll end up kissing everybody."
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So Ed figured out a way
to shake hands with Arafat
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where he shook hands with one hand
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and held him at arm's length
with the other on his bicep,
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and it looked like it was a warm embrace.
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The next morning, we coached the president
on how to do this double-handed handshake.
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I have this wonderful photograph
of him practicing
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with the national security adviser,
Tony Lake.
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So the kissing was solved.
The question then was the uniform.
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And Arafat always wore this,
what looked like a uniform.
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He never was seen in anything else.
It was part of his image.
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So I talked to Bandar,
who was the Saudi ambassador,
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and Bandar went to Arafat and said:
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"You cannot come
to the ceremony in a uniform.
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And I have arranged for my tailor
to be at your hotel room.
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He will make you a beautiful suit
that you'll be able to wear tomorrow."
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So Arafat says, "Oh, okay."
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And they go to his hotel room,
and there's the tailor.
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Arafat take off his uniform
and put on this suit coat,
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at which point
everybody bursts out laughing.
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As soon as they laughed at him,
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he realized that
this was gonna be humiliation for him.
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He said, "Forget about it."
Sent the tailor and Bandar away.
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But Bandar never called me and told me.
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So the next morning,
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when Arafat and Rabin are supposed to be
on their way to the White House,
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and there's a phone call from Eitan Haber,
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saying, "Rabin is watching
Arafat get into his limousine,
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and he's wearing a uniform,
and Rabin is not coming."
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I got the Situation Room
to track down Bandar,
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who was at that moment
in the car with Arafat.
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I said,
"He's not wearing a uniform, is he?"
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And Bandar says:
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"Uh...
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It's a safari suit."
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I said, "Safari suit? Oh, okay.
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Are there medals on this safari suit?"
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He says, "No, no. No medals, no medals."
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So I get Eitan on the other line.
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He said, "Wait a minute."
He goes, comes back.
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He says, "All right. Rabin is coming."
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- [man] How are you, sir?
- How are you?
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[indistinct chatter]
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[Ross] Arafat is beaming.
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For him, he's arrived.
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He's at the White House.
The world is watching him.
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You know, he's just beaming. He's happy.
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- [Rabin] It's going to be very difficult.
- [Clinton] Look, we've just got to try...
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[Ross] The president, when he's alonewith him, says, "We need a handshake."
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And Rabin is like, just, you know, his...
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He can't hide how uncomfortable he is.
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This was emotionally wrenching for Rabin,
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knowing he was going
to have to shake Arafat's hand.
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[man 9 over PA]
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Arafat,
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chairman of the Executive Council
of the Palestine Liberation Organization,
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His Excellency Yitzhak Rabin,
prime minister of Israel,
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the president of the United States.
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[crowd applauding]
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[in Arabic] I want to promise
the Israeli people and its leadership,
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I am sure that the difficult decision
we reached together
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was one that required great
and exceptional courage.
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We will need more courage
and determination
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to continue the course of building
coexistence and peace between us.
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[Rabin] Let me say to you,
the Palestinians,
479
00:30:37,211 --> 00:30:41,841
we, the soldiers
who have returned from battles,
480
00:30:41,924 --> 00:30:43,717
stained with blood,
481
00:30:44,301 --> 00:30:47,680
we, who have come from a land
482
00:30:47,763 --> 00:30:50,641
where parents bury their children,
483
00:30:51,267 --> 00:30:53,978
we say to you today,
484
00:30:54,061 --> 00:30:57,356
in a loud and a clear voice,
485
00:30:57,439 --> 00:31:01,110
enough of blood and tears.
486
00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:02,278
Enough.
487
00:31:02,361 --> 00:31:04,363
[crowd applauding]
488
00:31:06,282 --> 00:31:08,284
[all cheering]
489
00:31:21,130 --> 00:31:23,132
[pensive music playing]
490
00:31:36,437 --> 00:31:38,731
[Ross] I went to see Arafat in Tunis.
491
00:31:39,773 --> 00:31:41,233
I go into his office.
492
00:31:41,317 --> 00:31:44,695
I walk in,
and the guys around him are sitting there,
493
00:31:44,778 --> 00:31:46,947
watching the TV show The Golden Girls.
494
00:31:47,031 --> 00:31:51,160
[on TV] Stan and I went through a periodwhere we had no marital relations.
495
00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:53,370
I totally cut off his sex.
496
00:31:53,454 --> 00:31:56,290
- You mean, it grows back?
- [laughter on TV]
497
00:31:56,373 --> 00:31:58,334
[Ross] The Golden Girls
is an American show.
498
00:31:58,417 --> 00:32:00,544
They're effectively Jewish,
and they live in Miami.
499
00:32:04,006 --> 00:32:06,175
I turn to the people with me, I go:
500
00:32:06,258 --> 00:32:10,679
"These guys are revolutionaries,
and they're watching The Golden Girls?"
501
00:32:10,763 --> 00:32:13,265
Arafat comes in,
apologizes for being late.
502
00:32:14,516 --> 00:32:17,895
And it begins what is a tradition.
503
00:32:17,978 --> 00:32:19,980
Every meeting with him is a meal.
504
00:32:20,981 --> 00:32:23,400
And the first entrée is not only chicken,
505
00:32:23,484 --> 00:32:25,486
but he insists
on cutting my chicken for me.
506
00:32:25,569 --> 00:32:28,906
I said, "The last person
who cut my meals for me was my mother.
507
00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:30,366
It's been a long time."
508
00:32:30,449 --> 00:32:32,368
I was thinking,
I'm watching The Golden Girls,
509
00:32:32,451 --> 00:32:35,704
he's cutting my meal,
there's a Jewish mother syndrome here.
510
00:32:36,288 --> 00:32:38,165
But what I see in this first meeting
511
00:32:38,248 --> 00:32:41,710
is that Arafat has
a completely different concept
512
00:32:41,794 --> 00:32:43,671
of what the Oslo agreement is.
513
00:32:45,673 --> 00:32:48,592
Everything that he discussed
is about independence
514
00:32:48,676 --> 00:32:50,177
and the symbols of independence.
515
00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:53,472
So I immediately see
that there's a huge conceptual gap
516
00:32:53,555 --> 00:32:54,974
between the two sides.
517
00:32:59,311 --> 00:33:00,938
[Helal] For the Palestinians,
518
00:33:01,021 --> 00:33:07,111
the Oslo agreement was supposed
to be an interim short period
519
00:33:07,194 --> 00:33:10,531
that would lead them
to establish their own states.
520
00:33:10,614 --> 00:33:14,743
And on the Israeli side,
it was a testing period, if you will.
521
00:33:14,827 --> 00:33:18,372
If you do one, two, three,
we might give you four, five, six.
522
00:33:18,455 --> 00:33:19,999
If you don't, we will halt.
523
00:33:20,082 --> 00:33:22,543
It was based, like many other agreements,
524
00:33:22,626 --> 00:33:26,839
on that diplomatic tool
called "constructive ambiguity."
525
00:33:26,922 --> 00:33:30,759
I think it should be called
"destructive ambiguity"
526
00:33:30,843 --> 00:33:32,720
because sooner or later,
527
00:33:33,345 --> 00:33:35,848
the points of differences
will come back to haunt you.
528
00:33:35,931 --> 00:33:41,186
Uh, I remember at one point,
President Assad of Syria said:
529
00:33:41,270 --> 00:33:46,066
"Every line of that agreement needs
a thousand page to explain it."
530
00:33:53,198 --> 00:33:58,245
There was ambiguity about
what the endgame was going to look like.
531
00:33:58,787 --> 00:33:59,997
It didn't spell out
532
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,834
what the ultimate resolution
of the conflict would look like.
533
00:34:03,917 --> 00:34:07,588
These two negotiating partners
were in different universes.
534
00:34:08,714 --> 00:34:11,842
Arafat was never a negotiator.
535
00:34:11,925 --> 00:34:17,139
And for him, the breakthrough
of getting recognition of the PLO
536
00:34:18,140 --> 00:34:19,933
meant that everything else
was unimportant.
537
00:34:20,017 --> 00:34:22,478
And I think it is right that he believed
538
00:34:22,561 --> 00:34:25,189
that over time,
things would develop his way.
539
00:34:25,981 --> 00:34:27,941
And as a result of this position,
540
00:34:28,025 --> 00:34:32,237
he got a very weak
Swiss cheese declaration.
541
00:34:37,284 --> 00:34:39,203
So from the Israeli perspective,
542
00:34:39,286 --> 00:34:43,040
it was a significant negotiating victory
543
00:34:43,123 --> 00:34:45,292
because Rabin and Israel
544
00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:49,254
didn't have to face
any of the issues that were hard for them.
545
00:34:49,838 --> 00:34:53,008
No mention of Jerusalem.
No mention of settlements.
546
00:34:53,592 --> 00:34:56,553
No mention of territorial jurisdiction.
547
00:34:56,637 --> 00:35:00,140
And no mention of a state as an outcome.
548
00:35:03,477 --> 00:35:07,606
The Oslo agreement is not an agreement
that we would have negotiated.
549
00:35:07,689 --> 00:35:10,692
It left too much
to an implementation process
550
00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:15,614
in which both sides were able to basically
not fulfill their obligations,
551
00:35:15,697 --> 00:35:20,202
and that really ate away
at the core of the bargain.
552
00:35:20,285 --> 00:35:22,287
[dramatic music playing]
553
00:35:24,873 --> 00:35:27,501
[man 10] A settler opened firewith an automatic rifle
554
00:35:27,584 --> 00:35:30,337
in a crowded mosque
in the West Bank town of Hebron.
555
00:35:30,921 --> 00:35:34,758
At least 4 0 Palestinians were killed,scores more wounded.
556
00:35:34,842 --> 00:35:36,677
[man 11] The aftermathof a house of prayer
557
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,554
transformed into a slaughterhouse.
558
00:35:38,637 --> 00:35:41,265
[man 12] The killer,an American-born Jew, Baruch Goldstein...
559
00:35:41,348 --> 00:35:43,642
People who know him
say he was dead set
560
00:35:43,725 --> 00:35:46,270
against the Israeli-PLO peace process,
561
00:35:46,353 --> 00:35:50,190
filled with hate for Arabs
and out for revenge.
562
00:35:50,274 --> 00:35:54,194
The Goldstein massacre was the equivalent
of a heart attack for the Oslo process.
563
00:35:54,862 --> 00:35:58,407
After that,
the Israelis were constantly buffeted
564
00:35:58,490 --> 00:35:59,908
by suicide bombings.
565
00:36:03,203 --> 00:36:07,082
[man 13] A bomb blast in central Tel Avivhas killed more than 20 people.
566
00:36:07,166 --> 00:36:10,294
There'd be a terrorist attack that would
take place while we were sleeping.
567
00:36:10,377 --> 00:36:13,505
I would wake up, drive straight into work,
568
00:36:13,589 --> 00:36:15,424
get on the phone with Dennis
on the way in,
569
00:36:15,507 --> 00:36:18,594
and we'd talk about
what is it now we can do
570
00:36:18,677 --> 00:36:21,221
to try to get the process back on track?
571
00:36:29,771 --> 00:36:31,607
[Ross] We dothe first implementing agreement
572
00:36:31,690 --> 00:36:34,484
with the Palestinians on May 4th,
the Gaza-Jericho Agreement.
573
00:36:35,527 --> 00:36:38,030
What it means is you're gonna have
the Palestinian Authority
574
00:36:38,113 --> 00:36:40,032
set up in Gaza and in Jericho.
575
00:36:42,993 --> 00:36:45,495
We have a three-way meeting,
576
00:36:45,579 --> 00:36:48,373
and we resolve
what is the two final issues.
577
00:36:49,791 --> 00:36:52,878
One has to do with the size
of the Jericho district,
578
00:36:52,961 --> 00:36:55,005
and the other has to do
with the Allenby Bridge,
579
00:36:55,088 --> 00:36:57,633
whether or not the Palestinians
can have a policeman there.
580
00:36:57,716 --> 00:37:02,179
And in each case, Rabin agrees that
he will consider each of these issues.
581
00:37:02,262 --> 00:37:05,057
He won't agree to it now,
but he agrees that he'll consider them,
582
00:37:05,140 --> 00:37:07,017
and that's good enough for Arafat.
583
00:37:07,100 --> 00:37:11,230
Then at 2 in the morning, suddenly,
Arafat raises those same two issues again,
584
00:37:11,313 --> 00:37:13,607
and Amnon Shahak starts to laugh.
585
00:37:15,025 --> 00:37:17,152
And Arafat says, [as Arafat] "Am I a joke?
586
00:37:17,819 --> 00:37:19,071
Do you think I'm a joke?"
587
00:37:19,613 --> 00:37:22,366
[in normal voice]
And Rabin puts his hands up like this
588
00:37:22,449 --> 00:37:25,869
and says,
"No, we take you very seriously."
589
00:37:27,246 --> 00:37:28,247
Just like that.
590
00:37:29,623 --> 00:37:31,959
And you could see it calms Arafat down.
591
00:37:33,502 --> 00:37:35,504
[sirens wailing]
592
00:37:39,758 --> 00:37:42,594
[man 14] Israel's fragile peace processwith the PLO
593
00:37:42,678 --> 00:37:45,389
suffered a major blow today,
one that even...
594
00:37:45,472 --> 00:37:48,267
[woman 2] Dozens of Israeli soldierswere at this bus stop
595
00:37:48,350 --> 00:37:50,060
at about 9:30 a.m.
596
00:37:50,143 --> 00:37:52,980
when a suicide attacker
detonated the first bomb.
597
00:37:53,063 --> 00:37:56,066
[man 15] Two militant Muslim groups,which oppose the peace process,
598
00:37:56,149 --> 00:37:59,444
Islamic Jihad and Hamas,
claimed responsibility.
599
00:38:01,113 --> 00:38:03,907
[man 16] At midday,Prime Minister Rabin visited the site
600
00:38:03,991 --> 00:38:07,327
and was loudly heckled
by onlookers calling him a traitor
601
00:38:07,411 --> 00:38:09,830
for pursuing peace with the Palestinians.
602
00:38:09,913 --> 00:38:11,623
[all clamoring]
603
00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:16,920
[in Hebrew] Rabin is a murderer!Rabin is a murderer!
604
00:38:17,004 --> 00:38:18,755
Rabin is a murderer!
605
00:38:18,839 --> 00:38:20,716
[ominous music playing]
606
00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:23,135
One Shabbat afternoon, I'm with him.
607
00:38:23,218 --> 00:38:28,098
And there was a demonstration outside
of his apartment, you know, in Tel Aviv.
608
00:38:28,682 --> 00:38:30,475
He was on the top floor and...
609
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:32,561
We're sitting there, you could hear it.
610
00:38:32,644 --> 00:38:36,857
[in Hebrew] Traitor! Traitor!Traitor! Traitor! Traitor!
611
00:38:36,940 --> 00:38:39,860
And he can tell
I'm a little bit distracted by it,
612
00:38:39,943 --> 00:38:44,990
and he says, "Dennis, don't worry.
It's not about you. It's about me."
613
00:38:45,073 --> 00:38:50,120
[crowd in Hebrew] Traitor! Traitor!Traitor! Traitor! Traitor!
614
00:38:50,787 --> 00:38:53,832
Yeah, we're working hard.
We're gonna continue to keep working hard.
615
00:38:53,915 --> 00:38:56,752
Things looks quite tough, Mr. Ross.
616
00:38:56,835 --> 00:39:00,297
[crowd in Hebrew] Rabin is a murderer!Rabin is a murderer!
617
00:39:00,380 --> 00:39:03,717
Rabin is a murderer!
Rabin is a murderer!
618
00:39:10,349 --> 00:39:13,894
[Ross] I was increasingly worried aboutthe stability of Rabin's government.
619
00:39:14,478 --> 00:39:16,605
I saw what the mood in Israel was.
620
00:39:17,564 --> 00:39:19,941
I saw a mood that was increasingly ugly.
621
00:39:20,025 --> 00:39:23,153
I was worried about
what was happening with Israel.
622
00:39:23,236 --> 00:39:26,782
I was worried about
the strength of the right.
623
00:39:26,865 --> 00:39:32,412
[in Hebrew] Arafat's victory march
into the Palestinian territories
624
00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:36,500
is the height of humiliation
and an absurd parade.
625
00:39:37,584 --> 00:39:42,506
[crowd in Hebrew] Rabin is a traitor!Rabin is a traitor!
626
00:39:43,673 --> 00:39:46,927
[Ross] It made me thinkof what Rabin had said to me,
627
00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:49,137
that the potential
for a civil war was there.
628
00:39:49,221 --> 00:39:53,183
[in Hebrew] Through blood and fire,
we'll get rid of Rabin!
629
00:39:58,271 --> 00:40:01,483
[Ross] There's a point at whichArafat does a serious set of arrests.
630
00:40:01,566 --> 00:40:04,152
He doesn't just arrest a lot of people
and then release them.
631
00:40:04,236 --> 00:40:07,489
He does a serious set of arrests,
and he keeps it this way for a while.
632
00:40:09,366 --> 00:40:12,744
Rabin says to me, "Arafat is doing things
that are hard for him."
633
00:40:12,828 --> 00:40:16,331
He says, "I know I have
to give up more than the other side.
634
00:40:16,415 --> 00:40:19,292
I need to know they're prepared
to do things that are hard for them."
635
00:40:23,964 --> 00:40:25,966
The closer we get
to the interim agreement,
636
00:40:26,049 --> 00:40:30,053
the more he begins to say to me
that Arafat is actually taking steps,
637
00:40:30,137 --> 00:40:32,973
and I can see that something changes
in the relationship.
638
00:40:33,849 --> 00:40:35,851
[suspenseful music playing]
639
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:44,067
[Indyk] September '95 waswhen Arafat, Rabin,
640
00:40:44,651 --> 00:40:47,320
Mubarak, and King Hussein of Jordan
641
00:40:47,404 --> 00:40:49,156
all came to Washington
642
00:40:49,823 --> 00:40:52,868
for the signing ceremony
of the Oslo II agreement.
643
00:40:55,287 --> 00:40:58,290
This was a moment
when the Israelis and Palestinians
644
00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:00,083
put together the Oslo II Accord,
645
00:41:00,167 --> 00:41:02,085
which was immensely complicated
646
00:41:02,169 --> 00:41:06,339
because it provided for the establishment
of the Palestinian Authority,
647
00:41:06,423 --> 00:41:09,885
and giving it control,
in effect, sovereignty,
648
00:41:09,968 --> 00:41:12,596
over 40% of the West Bank.
649
00:41:12,679 --> 00:41:15,974
The major towns
and cities of the West Bank
650
00:41:16,057 --> 00:41:19,644
would come under Arafat's control,
so it was a big deal.
651
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,233
[Ross] It meant at the time
652
00:41:25,317 --> 00:41:28,612
that the core of a state
in the West Bank was now going to exist.
653
00:41:28,695 --> 00:41:30,697
[Rabin speaking indistinctly]
654
00:41:31,781 --> 00:41:35,619
I also saw something change
in the relationship between these two men.
655
00:41:36,369 --> 00:41:39,247
Rabin's approach
to Arafat was totally different.
656
00:41:39,873 --> 00:41:42,209
Here, he's at ease with Arafat.
657
00:41:43,502 --> 00:41:47,756
In fact, there's a moment
before the deal is concluded
658
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,801
where the leaders are
all sitting together in the Oval Office,
659
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:56,932
and I get a message from outside
that the negotiators need to see me.
660
00:41:57,015 --> 00:41:58,975
So I go outside the Oval Office,
661
00:41:59,059 --> 00:42:00,977
and they're saying,
"We have one last issue.
662
00:42:01,061 --> 00:42:02,354
It has to do with the location
663
00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:07,150
of a whether or not the Palestinians
will have a police station near Hebron."
664
00:42:07,234 --> 00:42:10,654
And they said, "We can't resolve this.
Only the leaders can resolve it."
665
00:42:10,737 --> 00:42:13,698
So I go back in,
and in front of everybody, I say:
666
00:42:13,782 --> 00:42:18,411
"Look, Mr. President, I need to borrow
the prime minister and the chairman."
667
00:42:18,495 --> 00:42:20,497
[tranquil music playing]
668
00:42:21,414 --> 00:42:23,291
The president has,
next to the Oval Office,
669
00:42:23,375 --> 00:42:26,628
a small dining room, so we go over there.
670
00:42:28,255 --> 00:42:29,965
And I explain the issue.
671
00:42:39,516 --> 00:42:42,227
And before Rabin can say anything,
672
00:42:42,310 --> 00:42:45,814
Arafat says, "What's ever acceptable
to the prime minister."
673
00:42:47,232 --> 00:42:48,232
Just like that.
674
00:42:50,527 --> 00:42:52,571
And Rabin looks at me,
looks at him, and he says:
675
00:42:52,654 --> 00:42:54,406
"We will have a police station there."
676
00:42:55,657 --> 00:42:58,326
And they shake hands, and that was it.
677
00:43:07,127 --> 00:43:08,211
[camera shutter clicks]
678
00:43:08,628 --> 00:43:11,673
[Indyk] Arafat and Rabin left the room.
679
00:43:12,257 --> 00:43:17,345
Arafat put his arm across Rabin's back.
680
00:43:19,347 --> 00:43:22,267
And I thought
that really captured that moment
681
00:43:22,350 --> 00:43:26,771
where they had moved from
being adversaries to partners in peace.
682
00:43:37,365 --> 00:43:38,950
That night, there was a reception
683
00:43:39,034 --> 00:43:41,620
for the Arab American
and American Jewish communities
684
00:43:41,703 --> 00:43:44,706
at the Corcoran Gallery
across from the White House,
685
00:43:45,373 --> 00:43:48,960
and Arafat gave a very reasonable speech.
686
00:43:49,711 --> 00:43:52,422
This was a speech about his Jewish cousins
687
00:43:52,505 --> 00:43:54,966
and how peace was necessary.
688
00:43:55,634 --> 00:43:58,803
And Rabin then got up, and he said,
"You know, Mr. Chairman..."
689
00:43:58,887 --> 00:44:03,058
In our tradition,
there is a saying that, uh...
690
00:44:03,141 --> 00:44:05,685
What is a Jewish sport?
691
00:44:06,645 --> 00:44:07,979
Speechmaking.
692
00:44:08,063 --> 00:44:10,065
[audience laughs]
693
00:44:11,483 --> 00:44:14,944
I start to believe, Chairman Arafat,
694
00:44:16,112 --> 00:44:18,406
that you are close to be Jewish.
695
00:44:18,490 --> 00:44:20,325
[audience laughing]
696
00:44:22,661 --> 00:44:24,704
But then Rabin went on to say,
697
00:44:26,206 --> 00:44:28,625
for the first time,
"The Palestinians need a state."
698
00:44:28,708 --> 00:44:31,628
He had never said that.
It wasn't in the Oslo Accords.
699
00:44:31,711 --> 00:44:33,213
"Need a state of their own,
700
00:44:33,296 --> 00:44:37,676
so that we can separate out of respect,
701
00:44:37,759 --> 00:44:39,052
not out of hatred."
702
00:44:45,850 --> 00:44:51,231
On the 4th of November,
I had taken one of my kids to the doctor.
703
00:44:52,065 --> 00:44:57,487
And I was on the way back, um,
from the doctor, and I got paged.
704
00:44:58,988 --> 00:45:01,950
And I said, "Well, I'll... It's...
705
00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:05,120
I'm ten minutes from home,
so I'll just call in when I get home."
706
00:45:05,704 --> 00:45:07,497
Debbie, my wife,
when I walked in the door,
707
00:45:07,580 --> 00:45:09,124
said, "Rabin's been shot."
708
00:45:10,583 --> 00:45:11,751
And I said, "What?"
709
00:45:14,170 --> 00:45:15,171
Um...
710
00:45:17,799 --> 00:45:19,008
So I, uh...
711
00:45:23,304 --> 00:45:25,265
I called, um...
712
00:45:26,349 --> 00:45:30,395
I called in immediately,
and then as soon as I called in, I mean...
713
00:45:31,146 --> 00:45:32,939
Christopher came on the phone with me.
714
00:45:33,022 --> 00:45:34,858
And while we were on the phone,
715
00:45:35,442 --> 00:45:37,652
they said, "We learned that he died."
716
00:45:39,070 --> 00:45:40,071
Um...
717
00:45:41,740 --> 00:45:45,702
And so, you know,
here I'm on the one hand, I'm, uh...
718
00:45:48,496 --> 00:45:49,914
I'm emotionally shaken.
719
00:45:53,293 --> 00:45:56,880
And at the same time,
I'm trying to think about...
720
00:45:58,214 --> 00:45:59,215
What do we do?
721
00:46:04,554 --> 00:46:05,554
And...
722
00:46:07,474 --> 00:46:09,058
You know, it, um...
723
00:46:19,486 --> 00:46:22,489
It's obviously still a moment
that I really can't talk about.
724
00:46:24,657 --> 00:46:26,659
[solemn music playing]
725
00:46:28,828 --> 00:46:30,348
[interviewer] You were with your wife.
726
00:46:31,372 --> 00:46:32,372
Yeah.
727
00:46:32,916 --> 00:46:34,042
And, um...
728
00:46:35,376 --> 00:46:38,296
And all three kids
and they'd never seen me cry before.
729
00:46:39,756 --> 00:46:40,756
So...
730
00:46:42,509 --> 00:46:46,137
I'm... She's trying
to explain to them why I'm crying.
731
00:46:49,224 --> 00:46:51,601
And then I'm trying
to explain to them why I was.
732
00:46:52,268 --> 00:46:54,229
You know, it was a... [clears throat]
733
00:46:56,397 --> 00:46:58,608
In a lot of ways, it was something...
734
00:46:59,150 --> 00:47:01,152
It was something I couldn't imagine.
735
00:47:01,236 --> 00:47:04,656
My wife came in with the phone,
and it was Eitan Haber.
736
00:47:04,739 --> 00:47:08,201
And he said to me, "Rabin's been shot.
737
00:47:08,284 --> 00:47:10,703
Meet me at Ichilov Hospital."
738
00:47:11,704 --> 00:47:14,916
And hung up. I was stunned.
739
00:47:15,792 --> 00:47:17,919
So I raced to the hospital.
740
00:47:18,002 --> 00:47:19,254
Uh...
741
00:47:19,337 --> 00:47:22,674
And as we were going down empty streets,
742
00:47:22,757 --> 00:47:25,552
the place was totally empty, eerie.
743
00:47:25,635 --> 00:47:29,806
I got there,
and I was taken down into the basement,
744
00:47:29,889 --> 00:47:32,517
and Eitan was there.
745
00:47:33,685 --> 00:47:36,980
But he was writing something,
and he didn't...
746
00:47:37,063 --> 00:47:40,650
I said, "Eitan, hi,"
and he didn't look at me or anything.
747
00:47:40,733 --> 00:47:42,151
He just kept on writing.
748
00:47:42,902 --> 00:47:46,030
And so I turned around
and didn't know what to do,
749
00:47:46,114 --> 00:47:49,367
and then Rabin's
chef de cabinet hugged me,
750
00:47:49,450 --> 00:47:52,662
and he whispered in my ear,
"Rabin is dead."
751
00:47:54,497 --> 00:47:57,876
And that's how I found out.
752
00:47:57,959 --> 00:48:00,240
[on TV] Just reportedthat the prime minister was impacted
753
00:48:00,295 --> 00:48:02,380
by those bullets fired at short range.
754
00:48:02,463 --> 00:48:04,465
CNN has confirmed that he was...
755
00:48:04,549 --> 00:48:08,553
He is being treated
in the emergency ward of Ichilov Hospital.
756
00:48:08,636 --> 00:48:10,972
[man 17] Truly shocking newsfrom the Middle East tonight.
757
00:48:11,055 --> 00:48:14,100
Israel's prime minister, Yitzhak Rabin,
has been assassinated.
758
00:48:15,018 --> 00:48:17,687
The 73-year-old Rabin was shot three times
759
00:48:17,770 --> 00:48:21,566
after addressing
a huge peace rally in Tel Aviv.
760
00:48:21,649 --> 00:48:24,068
He died of his wounds a short time later.
761
00:48:24,152 --> 00:48:26,154
[camera shutters clicking]
762
00:48:34,829 --> 00:48:37,665
The world has lost one
of its greatest men.
763
00:48:39,125 --> 00:48:41,252
A warrior for his nation's freedom...
764
00:48:42,462 --> 00:48:45,840
and now a martyr for his nation's peace.
765
00:48:47,258 --> 00:48:51,262
Yitzhak Rabin was my partner
and my friend.
766
00:48:52,722 --> 00:48:53,806
I admired him,
767
00:48:54,933 --> 00:48:56,601
and I loved him very much.
768
00:48:58,770 --> 00:49:02,231
Because words cannot express
my true feelings,
769
00:49:03,524 --> 00:49:08,237
let me just say, shalom, chaver.
770
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:10,114
Goodbye, friend.
771
00:49:11,366 --> 00:49:12,367
[softly] Thank you.
772
00:49:14,202 --> 00:49:16,204
[solemn music playing]
773
00:49:21,292 --> 00:49:22,919
I am very sad...
774
00:49:24,379 --> 00:49:26,130
and very shocked...
775
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:31,761
for this awful and terrible crime...
776
00:49:33,012 --> 00:49:39,310
against one
of the brave leaders of Israel...
777
00:49:40,478 --> 00:49:41,562
and the peacemakers.
778
00:49:46,442 --> 00:49:49,946
[Ross] Then we were on the planevery quickly on the way to the funeral.
779
00:49:50,029 --> 00:49:53,366
- [Bush] We're emotional in our family...
- [Ross] We had the ex-presidents.
780
00:49:53,449 --> 00:49:56,077
We had the leaders
of the both Senate and House.
781
00:49:59,706 --> 00:50:02,667
My role was to brief them
on how they should behave
782
00:50:02,750 --> 00:50:04,419
and what we were going into.
783
00:50:05,086 --> 00:50:06,421
And so I told them:
784
00:50:07,046 --> 00:50:09,882
"You're walking into an Israel
that is in a state of shock.
785
00:50:09,966 --> 00:50:13,219
You're walking into a country
that's in a state of depression.
786
00:50:13,302 --> 00:50:15,513
What's the one pillar
they have outside of Israel?
787
00:50:15,596 --> 00:50:16,681
The United States.
788
00:50:17,265 --> 00:50:21,644
You need to send the message,
the U.S. is there for Israel."
789
00:50:24,022 --> 00:50:26,733
Shimon Peres became the prime minister,
790
00:50:26,816 --> 00:50:30,570
and Clinton asked,
"Where's Peres right now?"
791
00:50:30,653 --> 00:50:32,530
And I said, "He's shaken."
792
00:50:32,613 --> 00:50:37,035
I said, "Peres has lost a guy
with whom he's been a rival for 50 years.
793
00:50:37,618 --> 00:50:39,245
Understand what that means.
794
00:50:39,328 --> 00:50:43,332
He's been a rival, but that means
he's been this steady rock for him.
795
00:50:43,416 --> 00:50:45,918
You're gonna have
to be his rock right now.
796
00:50:46,002 --> 00:50:48,671
He has to know
that he's got you to count on."
797
00:50:52,717 --> 00:50:55,386
And when Clinton sees Peres
when we get there,
798
00:50:56,012 --> 00:50:58,389
Peres walks towards him
and extends his hand,
799
00:50:58,473 --> 00:51:00,641
and Clinton envelops him in a hug
800
00:51:01,392 --> 00:51:05,229
and just holds him that way
for an extended period of time,
801
00:51:05,897 --> 00:51:10,568
and it was like he was imparting already
what the relationship was gonna be.
802
00:51:14,072 --> 00:51:16,074
[solemn music playing]
803
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,829
The assassination is transforming
for Clinton.
804
00:51:23,581 --> 00:51:25,792
In March 1993, he meets Rabin.
805
00:51:25,875 --> 00:51:28,544
And he tells Rabin,
"You take risks for peace,
806
00:51:28,628 --> 00:51:31,339
and my responsibility is
to minimize those risks."
807
00:51:31,422 --> 00:51:36,469
So when Rabin is assassinated,
the burden falls to Clinton in his mind.
808
00:51:36,552 --> 00:51:37,970
He owes this debt.
809
00:51:38,513 --> 00:51:41,557
He said, "Take risks for peace,"
and now he's dead.
810
00:51:44,644 --> 00:51:47,021
People say
that Clinton just wanted a legacy.
811
00:51:47,105 --> 00:51:48,231
That wasn't it.
812
00:51:48,314 --> 00:51:51,859
He had a sense of mission because of this.
813
00:51:55,822 --> 00:51:59,283
[Miller] Rabin made Clintona part of history.
814
00:51:59,951 --> 00:52:02,787
The young Bill Clinton,
with almost no foreign policy experience,
815
00:52:02,870 --> 00:52:05,414
was made a part
of the historical narrative
816
00:52:05,498 --> 00:52:08,709
as a consequence of historic undertaking.
817
00:52:09,293 --> 00:52:11,379
This is part of the context.
818
00:52:11,462 --> 00:52:14,715
This is part of Bill Clinton's DNA.
819
00:52:23,391 --> 00:52:26,269
[crowd in Hebrew] Long live Bibi,
the king of Israel!
820
00:52:30,189 --> 00:52:32,859
Good evening,
Israel has elected its next prime minister
821
00:52:32,942 --> 00:52:36,988
with a razor-thin margin
separating deeply divided sides.
822
00:52:37,864 --> 00:52:39,866
[speaking in Hebrew]
823
00:52:47,331 --> 00:52:52,128
[man 18] Clinton hosted the Israeliprime minister at the White House today.
824
00:52:52,211 --> 00:52:54,547
It was the first meeting of the two men
825
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:56,966
since Netanyahu's election in May.
826
00:52:57,049 --> 00:53:00,261
The prime minister did not back away
from his hard-line position
827
00:53:00,344 --> 00:53:03,973
on the Arab-Israeli peace process
that the president supports.
828
00:53:07,602 --> 00:53:10,396
[Ross] The question was,how could you manage a process
829
00:53:10,479 --> 00:53:15,359
when you now had a leader who clearly
was cut from a different kind of cloth?
830
00:53:15,985 --> 00:53:19,238
In a sense, we had to figure out
what you could do with him.
831
00:53:20,448 --> 00:53:22,825
Did you want
the whole process to fall apart?
832
00:53:22,909 --> 00:53:25,286
Did you want to lose the ability
to make peace at all?
833
00:53:27,580 --> 00:53:31,292
At that first meeting,
he was lecturing Clinton and telling him:
834
00:53:31,375 --> 00:53:34,003
"You don't understand the Arabs.
I understand the Arabs.
835
00:53:34,086 --> 00:53:36,047
And here's how we're gonna deal
with the Arabs.
836
00:53:36,130 --> 00:53:39,175
We know what to do,
and this is what you have to do now."
837
00:53:40,092 --> 00:53:43,137
And he said, "They have to understand.
838
00:53:43,221 --> 00:53:44,472
It's a new world now.
839
00:53:45,056 --> 00:53:48,059
Uh, and they'll adjust.
You'll see, they'll adjust."
840
00:53:48,643 --> 00:53:51,562
And at the end of the meeting,
he walks out, and Clinton says to me:
841
00:53:51,646 --> 00:53:53,898
"Who does he think the superpower is?"
842
00:53:54,982 --> 00:53:57,985
- [dramatic music playing]
- [crowd clamoring]
843
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:59,111
[gunfire]
844
00:53:59,195 --> 00:54:02,174
[man 19] We are still keeping a close eyeon the trouble in the Middle East.
845
00:54:02,198 --> 00:54:06,410
The violence began when the Israeli leader
decided to open a new entrance
846
00:54:06,494 --> 00:54:10,456
to an ancient tunnel
near a Muslim holy site in Jerusalem.
847
00:54:11,290 --> 00:54:12,667
[Arafat] This is a crime,
848
00:54:12,750 --> 00:54:18,422
a big crime,
against our religious and holy places.
849
00:54:18,506 --> 00:54:20,216
[gunfire]
850
00:54:22,343 --> 00:54:23,219
[man 20] Good evening.
851
00:54:23,302 --> 00:54:27,056
The prospects of a lasting peace in
the Middle East are fading fast tonight,
852
00:54:27,139 --> 00:54:30,726
as the clash between Israelis
and Palestinians over Jerusalem
853
00:54:30,810 --> 00:54:34,313
now has exploded
into a mini-war on two fronts.
854
00:54:34,397 --> 00:54:37,817
President Clinton today indirectly
criticized the Israelis.
855
00:54:37,900 --> 00:54:41,779
[Clinton] This has gone on too longand hurt too many innocent people.
856
00:54:41,862 --> 00:54:44,198
[Ross] I go over to the White House,and I say:
857
00:54:44,282 --> 00:54:46,242
"Look, the only way to stop this
858
00:54:46,325 --> 00:54:48,869
is if you bring everybody here
to the White House.
859
00:54:48,953 --> 00:54:51,914
This is getting out of control,
and from a distance, we can't stop it."
860
00:54:51,998 --> 00:54:54,458
[tense music playing]
861
00:55:00,423 --> 00:55:02,425
[whispering indistinctly]
862
00:55:11,642 --> 00:55:14,645
[Ross] We're having lunchin the White House,
863
00:55:15,438 --> 00:55:18,524
and King Hussein says to Bibi:
864
00:55:19,191 --> 00:55:21,360
"You don't have the maturity
to be a leader.
865
00:55:21,444 --> 00:55:22,778
You're not like Rabin.
866
00:55:23,904 --> 00:55:26,824
Rabin understood
that when you have a negotiating partner,
867
00:55:26,907 --> 00:55:30,911
you have to do things
that give them the ability to operate too.
868
00:55:30,995 --> 00:55:34,915
You have to grow up and become a leader,
and you're not one today."
869
00:55:35,499 --> 00:55:38,252
And there was absolute silence
in the room.
870
00:55:44,508 --> 00:55:48,763
And then Bibi asks if he can go off
just with Arafat and me.
871
00:55:48,846 --> 00:55:50,890
He gets with Arafat, and he says, "Look.
872
00:55:51,849 --> 00:55:55,269
Let's begin a negotiation,
and we can surprise the world.
873
00:55:55,353 --> 00:55:57,396
No one expects that we can do anything."
874
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,732
And Arafat says, "Okay."
875
00:55:59,815 --> 00:56:01,817
[pensive music playing]
876
00:56:11,494 --> 00:56:14,705
At that time, it became clear
that in a lot of ways,
877
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:19,210
the Clinton who was interested in this
before is not the Clinton afterwards.
878
00:56:19,293 --> 00:56:23,339
He feels he has a responsibility
to fulfill the Rabin legacy.
879
00:56:23,422 --> 00:56:25,424
[suspenseful music playing]
880
00:56:31,013 --> 00:56:34,975
[Miller] We took over the negotiationswith a renewed commitment to ensure
881
00:56:35,059 --> 00:56:38,104
that Rabin wouldn't die in vain.
882
00:56:38,979 --> 00:56:41,482
We had a historic responsibility.
883
00:56:42,358 --> 00:56:46,529
It was a team
that was dedicated, motivated,
884
00:56:46,612 --> 00:56:49,615
mostly American Jews at the working level,
885
00:56:49,698 --> 00:56:53,953
convinced that this was fundamentally
in the national interest
886
00:56:54,036 --> 00:56:55,579
of the United States,
887
00:56:55,663 --> 00:56:59,041
schooled, taught,
conditioned to the notion
888
00:56:59,125 --> 00:57:02,962
that solving the Arab-Israeli conflict
was critically important.
889
00:57:05,714 --> 00:57:10,136
We were hammered during this period
by being too accommodating of Netanyahu,
890
00:57:10,219 --> 00:57:12,346
too enabling of settlement activity,
891
00:57:12,430 --> 00:57:15,099
but without process,
there would have been nothing.
892
00:57:16,392 --> 00:57:18,161
- [interviewer] Dennis, you're Jewish.
- I am.
893
00:57:18,185 --> 00:57:20,813
Beside Gamal,
all the negotiating team are Jews.
894
00:57:20,896 --> 00:57:21,730
Yes.
895
00:57:21,814 --> 00:57:25,401
How is this perceived by the other side,
as you're supposed to be unbiased?
896
00:57:25,484 --> 00:57:28,988
I think it's easy for them
to portray us as being one-sided
897
00:57:29,071 --> 00:57:33,117
when they look at all the negotiators
as being Jewish.
898
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,204
Now, the reality is, it was also each
of those people who was Jewish
899
00:57:37,288 --> 00:57:40,416
who carried the greatest passion
about wanting to see this settled.
900
00:57:40,958 --> 00:57:43,169
But you are biased. You are biased.
901
00:57:43,252 --> 00:57:47,256
- In a way, you are. You say yourself...
- Wait, look. But you know what? That's...
902
00:57:47,339 --> 00:57:51,427
The notion that, uh, mediators
903
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:54,722
have to be, quote, "perfectly neutral,"
904
00:57:54,805 --> 00:57:59,143
the only people who say that have never
done any mediation of any hard issue.
905
00:57:59,226 --> 00:58:00,436
I'm not an observant Jew.
906
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:04,982
I was raised in a very traditional
Conservative Jewish household.
907
00:58:05,900 --> 00:58:11,947
I don't think I, or anyone, frankly,
who's ever worked on this process
908
00:58:12,031 --> 00:58:16,202
is free from the prejudgments
and prejudices and biases.
909
00:58:16,285 --> 00:58:19,497
You are the sum total of your experiences.
910
00:58:19,580 --> 00:58:26,462
The downside is that you grow up
in a milieu and an environment
911
00:58:26,545 --> 00:58:30,508
in which you're much more familiar
with the needs and requirements
912
00:58:30,591 --> 00:58:32,426
of one side but not the other.
913
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:34,512
[birds chirping]
914
00:58:36,096 --> 00:58:38,182
Good morning, everyone.
I'm Thalia Assuras.
915
00:58:38,265 --> 00:58:41,936
President Clinton convenes the latest
Mid-East peace summit this morning.
916
00:58:42,019 --> 00:58:43,854
On the table, a U.S. proposal
917
00:58:43,938 --> 00:58:46,690
for further Israeli troop withdrawals
from the West Bank.
918
00:58:46,774 --> 00:58:48,776
[suspenseful music playing]
919
00:58:52,530 --> 00:58:55,658
[Clinton]...why our commitmentto Israel's security remains rock solid,
920
00:58:56,325 --> 00:58:58,911
why we'll continue
to do whatever is necessary...
921
00:58:59,912 --> 00:59:03,832
[Ross] I had gone to Arafat, Arafat said,"We need 30% of the West Bank."
922
00:59:03,916 --> 00:59:07,461
Bibi says, "I can do the lowest teen."
The lowest teen is 13.
923
00:59:08,254 --> 00:59:13,717
So after real hard effort,
I get Arafat to agree, "Okay, 13 percent."
924
00:59:13,801 --> 00:59:15,636
When I go back to Bibi,
925
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:18,514
I say, "Okay, look,
I got Arafat to 13 percent."
926
00:59:18,597 --> 00:59:20,849
He said, "Well, I said I agree to 11."
927
00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:25,521
I said, "You said, lowest teen."
He said, "Yeah, 11."
928
00:59:25,604 --> 00:59:29,650
I said, "Does 11 sound like a teen?
Thirteen is a teen."
929
00:59:29,733 --> 00:59:31,860
He said, "Well, I meant 11."
930
00:59:31,944 --> 00:59:34,280
I said, "You didn't say 11."
931
00:59:36,949 --> 00:59:42,121
Both Netanyahu and Arafat are not
particularly responsive in these meetings.
932
00:59:42,204 --> 00:59:43,455
Neither one was.
933
00:59:44,790 --> 00:59:47,876
And at one point,
Arafat got outraged by Netanyahu.
934
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:49,044
[Arafat] Unbelievable.
935
00:59:49,128 --> 00:59:52,298
[Ross] He feels that he's not showing himsufficient respect and dignity.
936
00:59:52,381 --> 00:59:54,258
[Arafat] This cannot be acceptable...
937
00:59:54,341 --> 00:59:58,554
And Clinton blew up at Bibi in front
of Arafat and the Palestinian team.
938
00:59:59,471 --> 01:00:01,307
Uh, in a way that was...
939
01:00:01,390 --> 01:00:04,727
When Clinton would get mad,
he would, like, just lose it.
940
01:00:05,311 --> 01:00:07,354
Uh, and then Clinton walked out.
941
01:00:10,065 --> 01:00:11,984
Bibi then was...
942
01:00:12,067 --> 01:00:15,904
Initially he was stunned.
And so he says, "What do you suggest?"
943
01:00:15,988 --> 01:00:20,367
So I began to make suggestions, uh,
and he was prepared to go along with them.
944
01:00:20,451 --> 01:00:22,453
[indistinct chatter]
945
01:00:31,503 --> 01:00:35,883
[Miller] At that point, even Netanyahu,with all his cynicism,
946
01:00:35,966 --> 01:00:38,802
also understood certain realities.
947
01:00:48,187 --> 01:00:51,273
Only the believers could have believed
948
01:00:51,357 --> 01:00:54,902
that we could create
not one but two agreements
949
01:00:54,985 --> 01:00:58,280
between the PLO
and this Israeli prime minister.
950
01:01:02,201 --> 01:01:05,120
Here was the first
and only Likud prime minister
951
01:01:05,204 --> 01:01:07,539
in the history of the State of Israel
952
01:01:07,623 --> 01:01:11,001
not just to return West Bank territory
953
01:01:11,585 --> 01:01:14,797
but a guy who vowed he'd never
shake hands with Yasser Arafat,
954
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:18,801
a guy who vowed he'd never become
a partner in any negotiation with Arafat,
955
01:01:18,884 --> 01:01:22,805
was willing and able to do that.
956
01:01:22,888 --> 01:01:24,890
[audience cheering]
957
01:01:29,061 --> 01:01:32,898
This agreement gave Clinton
a sense of confidence
958
01:01:32,981 --> 01:01:38,654
that if you put me in a room
with an Israeli and a Palestinian
959
01:01:38,737 --> 01:01:42,741
who are even remotely
interested in cutting a deal,
960
01:01:42,825 --> 01:01:44,159
I could cut that deal.
961
01:01:45,202 --> 01:01:48,264
[woman 3] New allegations that PresidentClinton had an affair with a former...
962
01:01:48,288 --> 01:01:50,768
[man 21] The president,seen in a video with Monica Lewinsky...
963
01:01:50,833 --> 01:01:52,713
[man 22] The intern hada sexual relationship...
964
01:01:52,751 --> 01:01:55,462
[woman 4] Hillary Clinton calledthe charges false.
965
01:01:55,546 --> 01:01:57,965
[Ross] The Lewinsky affair takes place,as announced,
966
01:01:58,048 --> 01:02:02,636
between meetings
of Netanyahu with the president
967
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,471
and Arafat and the president.
968
01:02:04,555 --> 01:02:08,684
[Clinton] The allegations I have read arenot true, and I will be vigorous about it,
969
01:02:08,767 --> 01:02:11,019
but I have got to get back
to the work of the country.
970
01:02:11,103 --> 01:02:13,564
I was up past midnight
with Prime Minister Netanyahu.
971
01:02:13,647 --> 01:02:15,649
I've got Mr. Arafat coming in.
972
01:02:15,733 --> 01:02:17,693
I have got to get back to work.
973
01:02:20,028 --> 01:02:23,240
[Ross] The president has to go outto the opening of the Gaza Airport
974
01:02:23,323 --> 01:02:25,451
and to preside over the PNC meeting.
975
01:02:27,411 --> 01:02:29,580
And we're en route out there,
976
01:02:29,663 --> 01:02:34,251
and suddenly he opens the door and asks,
"Where's Hillary? I gotta see Hillary."
977
01:02:34,334 --> 01:02:38,964
And I find out after that,
that the news had just broken
978
01:02:39,047 --> 01:02:41,300
that there's gonna be impeachment,
979
01:02:41,884 --> 01:02:44,678
and the first person
he wanted to talk to was Hillary.
980
01:02:45,554 --> 01:02:48,682
During that whole trip,
she was with him all the time.
981
01:02:48,766 --> 01:02:52,352
I would come up late at night
to brief him, and she would be there.
982
01:02:52,436 --> 01:02:55,105
We were flying down to Gaza
on the helicopter,
983
01:02:55,189 --> 01:02:57,024
and he said to me,
"I didn't sleep at all,"
984
01:02:57,107 --> 01:02:59,443
and he was troubled by all this.
985
01:02:59,526 --> 01:03:01,528
[solemn music playing]
986
01:03:10,996 --> 01:03:13,791
We had a three-way meeting
with Arafat and Bibi,
987
01:03:13,874 --> 01:03:15,667
and I was sitting next to him.
988
01:03:15,751 --> 01:03:18,754
I could see he was writing on his notepad:
989
01:03:18,837 --> 01:03:22,216
"Focus on your job. Focus on your job.
Focus on your job."
990
01:03:22,758 --> 01:03:25,427
Uh, and what's even more stunning,
991
01:03:25,511 --> 01:03:30,140
the speech he gives at the PNC,
he completely ad-libs.
992
01:03:31,683 --> 01:03:33,602
I was with Chairman Arafat,
993
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:40,901
and four little children came to see me
whose fathers are in Israeli prisons.
994
01:03:42,277 --> 01:03:45,030
Last night, I met some Israeli children
995
01:03:46,073 --> 01:03:49,910
whose fathers had been killed
in conflict with Palestinians.
996
01:03:51,620 --> 01:03:53,705
If I had met them in reverse order,
997
01:03:53,789 --> 01:03:55,249
I would not have known...
998
01:03:56,625 --> 01:03:59,920
which ones were Israeli
and which Palestinian.
999
01:04:00,754 --> 01:04:02,047
A stunning speech.
1000
01:04:02,589 --> 01:04:05,676
He is as much preacher as teacher
in this speech.
1001
01:04:06,260 --> 01:04:11,348
We must acknowledge
that neither side has a monopoly on pain
1002
01:04:11,431 --> 01:04:13,475
or virtue.
1003
01:04:17,813 --> 01:04:21,567
The end of the speech, I was crying.
1004
01:04:21,650 --> 01:04:25,445
I mean, it was unbelievable.
Hillary sees me and hugs me.
1005
01:04:30,492 --> 01:04:33,412
[Helal] He was receivedas a conquering hero,
1006
01:04:33,495 --> 01:04:35,873
and the entire region saw it.
1007
01:04:35,956 --> 01:04:39,626
Here is an American president
visiting a Palestinian area.
1008
01:04:40,460 --> 01:04:42,045
In that itself,
1009
01:04:42,129 --> 01:04:46,675
there was an implicit recognition
of a future Palestinian state.
1010
01:04:53,140 --> 01:04:55,142
[dramatic music playing]
1011
01:04:57,185 --> 01:04:58,645
Good morning, everybody.
1012
01:04:58,729 --> 01:05:03,275
Voters in Israel have given their country
a new leader and new hope for peace.
1013
01:05:03,358 --> 01:05:07,362
The election of war hero Ehud Barak
puts an end to three stormy years
1014
01:05:07,446 --> 01:05:08,739
under Benjamin Netanyahu.
1015
01:05:08,822 --> 01:05:09,740
[all cheering]
1016
01:05:09,823 --> 01:05:14,328
[in Hebrew] I came here to pledge
to the Israeli public
1017
01:05:14,411 --> 01:05:19,333
and to my friend
and commander Yitzhak Rabin
1018
01:05:19,416 --> 01:05:24,546
that this is the new dawn of a new day.
1019
01:05:24,630 --> 01:05:26,632
[all cheering]
1020
01:05:31,136 --> 01:05:33,430
[man 23] Ehud Barak had a plan.
1021
01:05:34,139 --> 01:05:37,017
A plan from day one.
I think he had a plan from before day one.
1022
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:40,270
He knew where he wanted to go
and where he wanted us to be
1023
01:05:40,354 --> 01:05:42,981
to take him there,
and the Palestinians and Syrians there.
1024
01:05:46,068 --> 01:05:48,487
[suspenseful music playing]
1025
01:05:49,071 --> 01:05:51,281
[Indyk] Barak tells Clinton:
1026
01:05:51,365 --> 01:05:54,660
"I have a mandate
to finish the job that Rabin started,
1027
01:05:54,743 --> 01:05:59,039
and I want to do it in my first year
and your last year in office."
1028
01:06:01,291 --> 01:06:05,754
Clinton had only one year left
when Barak was elected.
1029
01:06:05,837 --> 01:06:08,024
[Malley] Clinton had a meetingwith Barak in Camp David.
1030
01:06:08,048 --> 01:06:10,092
The two had a tête-à-tête for hours,
1031
01:06:10,175 --> 01:06:12,970
and Barak had put his whole plan
on the table.
1032
01:06:13,053 --> 01:06:15,597
The president asked us to come
because he was afraid
1033
01:06:15,681 --> 01:06:17,766
that he was gonna forget
what Barak had told him,
1034
01:06:17,849 --> 01:06:20,394
so he has to take notes
on everything he had said, his plan.
1035
01:06:20,477 --> 01:06:23,522
"First, I'm gonna do a Syria deal.
Then I'm gonna do the Palestinian deal.
1036
01:06:23,605 --> 01:06:26,233
Here's what I'll do with one.
Here's what you'll have to do."
1037
01:06:26,316 --> 01:06:29,695
Astronomical sums of money
that the U.S. would give to the Israelis
1038
01:06:29,778 --> 01:06:32,906
to help them with steps they would take,
resolution of the issues,
1039
01:06:32,990 --> 01:06:34,241
how it would be done.
1040
01:06:35,033 --> 01:06:38,996
And so I remember thinking,
"This is completely impossible.
1041
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,206
This is an unrealistic plan."
1042
01:06:41,289 --> 01:06:44,376
It assumes things about how
the Palestinians and Syrians would react
1043
01:06:44,459 --> 01:06:45,836
which are divorced from reality.
1044
01:06:45,919 --> 01:06:49,172
[Clinton] We can make progresson all fronts. We just do the best we can.
1045
01:06:49,256 --> 01:06:51,216
The president is enthusiastic
after seeing him.
1046
01:06:51,299 --> 01:06:52,759
He says, "He's serious.
1047
01:06:52,843 --> 01:06:56,471
He's prepared to make big moves.
He's prepared to go very far.
1048
01:06:57,055 --> 01:06:58,765
But he can do more
1049
01:06:58,849 --> 01:07:01,810
if he doesn't have to carry out
further withdrawal on the West Bank,
1050
01:07:01,893 --> 01:07:04,104
which Netanyahu already agreed to do."
1051
01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:08,400
When I see Barak, I tell him,
Arafat's gonna be very suspicious of this.
1052
01:07:08,483 --> 01:07:09,818
[Arafat] It takes two to tango.
1053
01:07:09,901 --> 01:07:12,404
[Ross] He's going to thinkyou're trying to humiliate him,
1054
01:07:12,487 --> 01:07:15,407
that you're not showing him
sufficient respect and dignity.
1055
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,578
But Barak was someone
who felt he knew best.
1056
01:07:20,620 --> 01:07:25,876
He wants to do Syria first, so he's
holding back on the Palestinian track.
1057
01:07:29,087 --> 01:07:32,549
[woman 5] The U.S. Secretary of State,Madeleine Albright, arrived in Damascus,
1058
01:07:32,632 --> 01:07:36,428
where she was greeted by the Syrian
foreign minister Farouk al-Sharaa.
1059
01:07:36,511 --> 01:07:39,806
Albright then went on
to meet President Hafez Assad
1060
01:07:39,890 --> 01:07:42,559
to discuss resuming
peace talks with Israel.
1061
01:07:42,642 --> 01:07:44,644
[indistinct chatter]
1062
01:07:46,688 --> 01:07:50,108
[Indyk] Amazingly, this time,Assad said he was ready.
1063
01:07:50,192 --> 01:07:54,404
He said, "I'm ready, and I'm ready to send
my foreign minister to meet with Barak."
1064
01:07:54,488 --> 01:07:57,074
The foreign minister was sitting there,
Farouk al-Sharaa:
1065
01:07:57,157 --> 01:07:59,618
"What? I've got to go and meet an Israeli?
You're kidding."
1066
01:07:59,701 --> 01:08:02,245
Assad said, "Yeah, you're gonna go."
1067
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:03,580
Uh, so there we were.
1068
01:08:03,663 --> 01:08:08,085
It was like a sea change
in Assad's attitude.
1069
01:08:11,004 --> 01:08:13,131
[Ross] When we fly to see Barak, he says:
1070
01:08:13,215 --> 01:08:17,385
"Wow, in all my history it says,
when you have an opening, go for it."
1071
01:08:17,469 --> 01:08:20,055
Today I am pleased to announce
1072
01:08:20,138 --> 01:08:23,475
that Prime Minister Barak
and President Assad have agreed
1073
01:08:23,558 --> 01:08:26,561
that the Israel-Syrian peace negotiations
1074
01:08:26,645 --> 01:08:29,815
will be resumed
from the point where they left off.
1075
01:08:29,898 --> 01:08:31,900
[upbeat music playing]
1076
01:08:32,734 --> 01:08:34,653
[Miller] I was sittingwith Arafat in December
1077
01:08:34,736 --> 01:08:37,405
when they announced
the Sharaa talks at Blair House.
1078
01:08:37,489 --> 01:08:41,910
And he kept squeezing my hand
until it ached.
1079
01:08:42,953 --> 01:08:45,580
And I said, "Mr. Chairman,
what do you think about this?"
1080
01:08:45,664 --> 01:08:49,918
And he only said one thing to me:
"Barak should not take me for granted."
1081
01:08:57,384 --> 01:08:59,928
[al-Sharaa] We are approachingthe moment of truth,
1082
01:09:00,011 --> 01:09:02,722
and there is no doubt
that everyone realizes
1083
01:09:02,806 --> 01:09:05,892
that a peace agreement
between Syria and Israel
1084
01:09:05,976 --> 01:09:10,522
would indeed mean for our region
the end of a history
1085
01:09:10,605 --> 01:09:13,150
of wars and conflicts.
1086
01:09:19,865 --> 01:09:23,034
[Indyk] A month later,we brought them all to Shepherdstown
1087
01:09:23,118 --> 01:09:25,162
to see if we can make a deal.
1088
01:09:25,245 --> 01:09:29,166
And, uh, I went out
to the airport to meet Barak.
1089
01:09:30,041 --> 01:09:33,378
And he asked me to come up
and sit with him on the plane,
1090
01:09:33,461 --> 01:09:35,213
which was kind of unusual.
1091
01:09:35,297 --> 01:09:36,381
And he said to me:
1092
01:09:37,591 --> 01:09:38,675
"I can't do it."
1093
01:09:40,177 --> 01:09:44,723
Meaning, "I can't give the commitment
to withdraw from the Golan Heights.
1094
01:09:45,348 --> 01:09:47,058
My people aren't ready."
1095
01:09:48,143 --> 01:09:51,146
I was like,
"If you can't do that, we're not gonna...
1096
01:09:51,229 --> 01:09:54,274
We're gonna be out of business
if you're not prepared to do that."
1097
01:09:54,357 --> 01:09:56,193
He said, "No, I can't do it."
1098
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:01,198
I remember going from there
to the Daily Grill.
1099
01:10:01,781 --> 01:10:05,493
Madeleine Albright was sitting
with Dennis, having dinner.
1100
01:10:05,577 --> 01:10:07,537
I came from the airport
and sat down with them.
1101
01:10:07,621 --> 01:10:11,249
I said to Madeleine,
"Houston, we've got a problem."
1102
01:10:11,333 --> 01:10:13,335
[pensive music playing]
1103
01:10:15,295 --> 01:10:17,214
What we hear is
that Barak has gotten polls
1104
01:10:17,297 --> 01:10:19,674
that show this is not a popular thing.
1105
01:10:19,758 --> 01:10:22,969
And he has to show
it's harder to produce it.
1106
01:10:23,053 --> 01:10:24,971
But in the meantime, we're here.
1107
01:10:26,181 --> 01:10:28,516
The Syrians actually move
on a number of things.
1108
01:10:29,142 --> 01:10:32,854
They move on security arrangements.
They move on the border.
1109
01:10:32,938 --> 01:10:34,940
They're moving on everything.
1110
01:10:35,023 --> 01:10:37,567
And we can't get Barak
to move on anything.
1111
01:10:42,864 --> 01:10:44,866
Clinton took him to the woodshed.
1112
01:10:45,867 --> 01:10:48,411
Clinton said to Barak,
"I'm a better politician than you.
1113
01:10:48,495 --> 01:10:51,915
I know your people will support this.
1114
01:10:51,998 --> 01:10:54,542
You need to do this.
You need to do it now."
1115
01:10:54,626 --> 01:10:58,088
But all of his persuasive powers,
which were considerable,
1116
01:10:58,171 --> 01:11:00,298
were not enough to move Barak.
1117
01:11:00,382 --> 01:11:03,551
[woman 6] The peace talks betweenIsrael and Syria are winding down today
1118
01:11:03,635 --> 01:11:05,178
without a solid agreement.
1119
01:11:05,262 --> 01:11:07,847
[man 24] That isn't good newsfor President Clinton,
1120
01:11:07,931 --> 01:11:11,601
who wants to preside over a peace deal
before he leaves office.
1121
01:11:14,521 --> 01:11:16,856
[Ross] Assad says to us,"I don't know what Barak wants.
1122
01:11:16,940 --> 01:11:19,567
How can we do a deal
if we don't know what Barak wants?"
1123
01:11:20,110 --> 01:11:21,820
Then Barak is really anxious.
1124
01:11:21,903 --> 01:11:24,364
He says,
"Look, we're gonna lose this possibility.
1125
01:11:24,447 --> 01:11:26,032
Clinton has to see him."
1126
01:11:27,367 --> 01:11:28,743
To produce the meeting,
1127
01:11:28,827 --> 01:11:32,872
Clinton has to call Assad and say,
"I now know what Barak wants."
1128
01:11:32,956 --> 01:11:34,958
[suspenseful music playing]
1129
01:11:45,218 --> 01:11:48,388
We go into the meeting,
and Clinton starts by saying:
1130
01:11:48,471 --> 01:11:50,932
"I'm gonna do something unusual.
I'm gonna read.
1131
01:11:51,016 --> 01:11:53,727
Barak has agreed to withdraw
to the June 4, '67 lines
1132
01:11:53,810 --> 01:11:55,770
and have a mutually agreed border."
1133
01:11:55,854 --> 01:11:58,273
And Assad says, "Then we have a problem."
1134
01:11:58,982 --> 01:12:01,401
And Clinton says, "Let me explain this."
1135
01:12:01,484 --> 01:12:05,447
So he does the next line that explains
1136
01:12:05,530 --> 01:12:07,324
that the border will be
off the water line.
1137
01:12:08,575 --> 01:12:11,619
And this is where Assad says,
"I used to go swimming in the lake.
1138
01:12:11,703 --> 01:12:13,496
I used to put my feet in the lake."
1139
01:12:14,039 --> 01:12:17,167
Every possible attempt
that the president tried to do,
1140
01:12:17,250 --> 01:12:21,588
secretary tried to do, Dennis tried to do,
uh, it was over by then
1141
01:12:21,671 --> 01:12:26,676
because he interpreted
"mutually agreed border" as:
1142
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:31,598
"The Israelis will have a say
in determining where will the border be."
1143
01:12:31,681 --> 01:12:33,475
And he never accepted that notion.
1144
01:12:36,061 --> 01:12:40,106
[Ross] At the end of the meeting,Assad could see Clinton's face is all red.
1145
01:12:40,815 --> 01:12:43,151
He doesn't want a total blowup with us.
1146
01:12:43,693 --> 01:12:47,405
So he walks over to me,
and he shakes my hand,
1147
01:12:47,489 --> 01:12:50,658
and he puts his arm up
on my shoulder here,
1148
01:12:50,742 --> 01:12:53,328
and says,
"We've always had good relations."
1149
01:12:53,411 --> 01:12:55,413
And I put my arm up
on his shoulder right here.
1150
01:12:55,497 --> 01:12:58,792
What you feel when you grab
someone's arm is you feel muscle.
1151
01:12:58,875 --> 01:13:00,960
I felt no muscle. I felt only bone.
1152
01:13:02,962 --> 01:13:05,382
So I knew he was wasting away and dying.
1153
01:13:05,924 --> 01:13:09,427
He thinks doing a deal at that point
will threaten the succession to his son.
1154
01:13:14,432 --> 01:13:18,770
So what happened essentially was,
yeah, Barak chased Syria,
1155
01:13:18,853 --> 01:13:20,105
and he dissed Arafat,
1156
01:13:20,188 --> 01:13:23,733
and then when Assad said no
in Geneva in March
1157
01:13:23,817 --> 01:13:26,903
and was dead in the first half of June,
1158
01:13:27,654 --> 01:13:29,280
Barak turned to Mr. Arafat,
1159
01:13:29,364 --> 01:13:31,032
and Arafat said:
1160
01:13:31,116 --> 01:13:34,202
"Okay, the price just went up."
1161
01:13:35,203 --> 01:13:37,497
[Malley] The week after Geneva failed,
1162
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:39,833
Barak says
he has to speak urgently to Clinton.
1163
01:13:39,916 --> 01:13:42,627
And Sandy Berger, who was then
the national security adviser,
1164
01:13:42,710 --> 01:13:45,505
wanted to protect Clinton because
he knew what Barak was gonna say,
1165
01:13:45,588 --> 01:13:50,093
which is, "Now let's turn our attention
to the Palestinians."
1166
01:13:50,885 --> 01:13:54,848
And Sandy said, "We just went
through an experience with the Syrians
1167
01:13:54,931 --> 01:13:55,932
that ended in failure.
1168
01:13:56,015 --> 01:13:59,394
We tried it your way.
It ended in failure."
1169
01:13:59,477 --> 01:14:02,147
At great cost obviously
to the Israelis and the Syrians
1170
01:14:02,230 --> 01:14:05,024
but also at great cost
to the credibility of the United States.
1171
01:14:05,108 --> 01:14:08,570
This one we have to do differently.
We have to take it more carefully.
1172
01:14:08,653 --> 01:14:10,905
[ominous music playing]
1173
01:14:10,989 --> 01:14:14,075
[Ross] Barak doesn't give up.He comes to Washington.
1174
01:14:15,326 --> 01:14:18,079
When I see him though,
he spent the whole night at Blair House.
1175
01:14:18,163 --> 01:14:18,997
He's up all night.
1176
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:22,333
I can see he literally has
yellow pages spread everywhere.
1177
01:14:22,417 --> 01:14:26,671
He's been working all night.
He's been working everything through.
1178
01:14:26,754 --> 01:14:30,049
And he's telling me he wants to go
to a summit with the Palestinians.
1179
01:14:31,134 --> 01:14:34,262
But first of all,
he's going to withdraw from Lebanon.
1180
01:14:37,599 --> 01:14:40,351
[man 25] In the Middle East,Israel's 15-year occupation
1181
01:14:40,435 --> 01:14:44,063
of a South Lebanon security zone
came to an end today,
1182
01:14:44,147 --> 01:14:45,815
six weeks ahead of schedule.
1183
01:14:46,524 --> 01:14:49,027
The last retreating soldiers locked
the door behind them
1184
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:53,072
as Hezbollah guerrillas jeered
the departing Israelis.
1185
01:14:53,907 --> 01:14:57,076
[man speaking in Arabic]
1186
01:15:33,238 --> 01:15:35,657
[Malley] Barak decidesto withdraw from Lebanon,
1187
01:15:35,740 --> 01:15:38,034
not as a result of a peace deal
1188
01:15:38,117 --> 01:15:40,078
but of continuing firing by Hezbollah.
1189
01:15:40,662 --> 01:15:44,791
So in the Palestinian psyche,
the lesson was, what pays?
1190
01:15:44,874 --> 01:15:47,126
Is it diplomacy, or is it violence?
1191
01:15:49,337 --> 01:15:53,466
[Ross] The meeting I had with Arafatafter the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon
1192
01:15:53,550 --> 01:15:56,094
was probably one
of the worst meetings I ever had with him.
1193
01:15:56,177 --> 01:15:57,971
He was in a terrible mood.
1194
01:15:58,054 --> 01:16:00,932
He was swearing every other word,
which is out of character for him,
1195
01:16:01,015 --> 01:16:04,269
because he felt
he was made to look the fool.
1196
01:16:04,352 --> 01:16:06,938
That he is negotiating,
and what is he getting?
1197
01:16:07,021 --> 01:16:10,191
They don't negotiate,
they do violence, and they get it all.
1198
01:16:16,072 --> 01:16:18,408
Regardless of what's happening
on the ground,
1199
01:16:18,491 --> 01:16:23,913
Barak is insisting to move immediately
to a summit with the Palestinians.
1200
01:16:23,997 --> 01:16:26,416
He's telling me,
"We need the pressure cooker of a summit
1201
01:16:26,499 --> 01:16:29,002
because no one reveals
their real positions
1202
01:16:29,085 --> 01:16:32,547
except if they're in a pressure cooker
and the stakes are high."
1203
01:16:33,131 --> 01:16:34,340
And I'm telling him:
1204
01:16:34,424 --> 01:16:37,927
"We can't rush to a summit
not knowing what's gonna happen."
1205
01:16:40,221 --> 01:16:42,015
[Miller] He was Churchill,
1206
01:16:42,098 --> 01:16:46,561
and he told me years afterwards that
that's how he saw himself.
1207
01:16:46,644 --> 01:16:48,187
So he pivots.
1208
01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:51,858
But he pivots without thinking,
1209
01:16:51,941 --> 01:16:55,320
and he creates a world unto himself.
1210
01:16:57,572 --> 01:17:00,241
Now Barak puts more pressure
on the president.
1211
01:17:00,325 --> 01:17:01,534
[Malley] He said to Clinton:
1212
01:17:01,618 --> 01:17:03,536
"I'm promising you
that I'm gonna go further
1213
01:17:03,620 --> 01:17:06,539
than any Israeli prime minister
has ever dreamt of going,
1214
01:17:06,623 --> 01:17:07,665
but I need your help.
1215
01:17:07,749 --> 01:17:10,209
You only have six months left
in your presidency.
1216
01:17:10,835 --> 01:17:13,504
I'm prepared to go extremely far,
but in order to go far,
1217
01:17:13,588 --> 01:17:16,257
I need the summit
in which it will be me and Arafat,
1218
01:17:16,341 --> 01:17:18,843
and we can present everything
that he'll get if he agrees
1219
01:17:18,926 --> 01:17:20,720
and everything he'll lose if he disagrees.
1220
01:17:20,803 --> 01:17:25,141
If you don't do that, the result is
gonna be the collapse of the process."
1221
01:17:25,224 --> 01:17:27,518
[suspenseful music playing]
1222
01:17:29,145 --> 01:17:31,356
[Miller] The president himself,at the end,
1223
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:35,401
had great uncertainty about the summit.
1224
01:17:36,444 --> 01:17:38,696
We came to his office,
and he went around the room
1225
01:17:38,780 --> 01:17:41,115
and asked people,
"Should I go? Should I go?"
1226
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,326
Everybody more or less said
the same thing:
1227
01:17:43,409 --> 01:17:45,495
"Yes, you must go, Mr. President."
1228
01:17:46,913 --> 01:17:50,041
When he came to me,
I had a decision to make.
1229
01:17:50,124 --> 01:17:53,252
I could have said what I should have said:
1230
01:17:53,336 --> 01:17:56,631
"Mr. President,
you will not reach an agreement.
1231
01:17:56,714 --> 01:17:59,592
They're not ready, and you're not ready."
1232
01:18:00,176 --> 01:18:01,427
But I chose not to.
1233
01:18:03,429 --> 01:18:05,431
I took the weak way out.
1234
01:18:06,808 --> 01:18:08,226
And I regret that.
1235
01:18:09,977 --> 01:18:12,397
[Ross] We're meeting himin his office there,
1236
01:18:12,480 --> 01:18:14,524
and he's waxing a little bit nostalgic
1237
01:18:14,607 --> 01:18:17,318
because the end is coming
for him as president.
1238
01:18:18,069 --> 01:18:21,698
At this moment,
he suddenly is sort of hesitant.
1239
01:18:23,241 --> 01:18:28,871
And at that moment, Sandy, Madeleine
and I all make the case to go
1240
01:18:28,955 --> 01:18:32,417
and not to be afraid to take the risk.
1241
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:35,461
If we don't take the risk,
we'll never know if a deal was possible.
1242
01:18:35,545 --> 01:18:37,547
[camera shutters clicking]
1243
01:18:39,173 --> 01:18:40,173
Good morning.
1244
01:18:41,008 --> 01:18:43,761
After lengthy discussion
with the two leaders
1245
01:18:43,845 --> 01:18:46,305
and after listening
to Secretary Albright's report,
1246
01:18:46,848 --> 01:18:49,350
I have concluded
that this is the best way,
1247
01:18:49,434 --> 01:18:51,811
it is the only way, to move forward.
1248
01:18:52,603 --> 01:18:58,109
Movement now depends on historic decisions
that only the two leaders can make.
1249
01:18:58,192 --> 01:19:01,612
To delay this gathering,
to remain stalled,
1250
01:19:01,696 --> 01:19:03,698
is simply no longer an option.
1251
01:19:05,158 --> 01:19:07,160
[pensive music playing]
1252
01:19:13,791 --> 01:19:16,502
[Helal] We literally dragged Arafatinto Camp David.
1253
01:19:16,586 --> 01:19:17,920
He did not want to go.
1254
01:19:18,504 --> 01:19:20,673
I think he was convinced
1255
01:19:20,757 --> 01:19:25,136
that we are dragging him to Camp David
in order to squeeze him,
1256
01:19:25,219 --> 01:19:28,681
and there is something going on
between the Israelis and the Americans,
1257
01:19:28,765 --> 01:19:31,476
and somehow,
he will be trapped at Camp David.
1258
01:19:46,282 --> 01:19:49,702
[Ross] I had this conversationwith Clinton before Arafat comes.
1259
01:19:49,786 --> 01:19:52,747
I said, "He's coming here.
He's full of suspicions.
1260
01:19:52,830 --> 01:19:54,540
He feels it's a gang-up.
1261
01:19:55,208 --> 01:19:58,044
So your whole point here
is to lift him up.
1262
01:19:59,462 --> 01:20:02,006
Play on who he is.
Play on his aspirations.
1263
01:20:02,089 --> 01:20:04,884
Play on how much you want to be there
1264
01:20:04,967 --> 01:20:07,887
when the Palestinian flag is raised
above a state.
1265
01:20:08,429 --> 01:20:11,933
Play upon that,
and don't get into any of the substance."
1266
01:20:12,475 --> 01:20:14,477
[suspenseful music playing]
1267
01:20:24,028 --> 01:20:29,534
We needed to control, in a sense,
how the summit was going to unfold.
1268
01:20:29,617 --> 01:20:33,371
I wanted the president,
in day one, to meet with the two,
1269
01:20:33,454 --> 01:20:36,499
to outline to Barak and Arafat
1270
01:20:36,582 --> 01:20:41,212
what were gonna be the parameters
of all the issues, except Jerusalem.
1271
01:20:44,215 --> 01:20:47,760
But when the president meets Barak,
Barak says, no.
1272
01:20:49,595 --> 01:20:51,889
He doesn't wanna agree
to the parameters we lay out.
1273
01:20:51,973 --> 01:20:54,225
He doesn't wanna proceed
the way we proceed.
1274
01:20:54,767 --> 01:20:58,020
The president comes out
and says, "Barak doesn't wanna do it."
1275
01:21:01,107 --> 01:21:05,236
Barak said, he felt that this was
a betrayal of the No Surprise Rule.
1276
01:21:05,319 --> 01:21:07,196
We should not put something on the table
1277
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,240
that was not discussed
with the Israelis first.
1278
01:21:09,323 --> 01:21:14,245
And so he told us he thought it was gonna
destroy the trust between our delegations.
1279
01:21:15,705 --> 01:21:17,891
[Indyk] From that point on,anything we put on the table
1280
01:21:17,915 --> 01:21:21,127
was coordinated with Barak
and seen by the Palestinians
1281
01:21:21,210 --> 01:21:24,922
as a fulfillment of Arafat's worst fears,
1282
01:21:25,006 --> 01:21:28,676
that Barak and Clinton were ganging up
to impose a deal on him.
1283
01:21:28,759 --> 01:21:30,761
[Clinton speaking indistinctly]
1284
01:21:31,387 --> 01:21:35,558
[Miller] Let's be clear.And I'll put this right on the table.
1285
01:21:35,641 --> 01:21:38,853
If an honest broker means
that here are the two sides,
1286
01:21:38,936 --> 01:21:40,605
my left hand and my right hand,
1287
01:21:41,147 --> 01:21:43,065
and an honest broker essentially means
1288
01:21:43,149 --> 01:21:44,984
you adopt positions
that are in the middle,
1289
01:21:45,067 --> 01:21:46,861
that's not the United States.
1290
01:21:47,445 --> 01:21:49,196
We have rarely played that role.
1291
01:21:51,324 --> 01:21:54,744
[Kurtzer] In fact, the Americans'negotiating philosophy has been
1292
01:21:54,827 --> 01:21:58,122
the United States
coordinates positions with Israel,
1293
01:21:58,205 --> 01:22:00,875
finds out how far Israel can go,
1294
01:22:00,958 --> 01:22:05,212
and then tries to market
that outcome to the Palestinians.
1295
01:22:06,422 --> 01:22:09,008
If you're a Palestinian,
you have to ask yourself:
1296
01:22:09,091 --> 01:22:11,218
"Why do I want the United States
in the room?"
1297
01:22:11,302 --> 01:22:15,222
Since all the United States is doing is,
in Aaron Miller's words:
1298
01:22:15,306 --> 01:22:16,974
"Acting as Israel's lawyer."
1299
01:22:17,058 --> 01:22:19,143
I know a lawyer when I see one.
1300
01:22:19,810 --> 01:22:23,856
And too many people
in the Clinton administration,
1301
01:22:23,940 --> 01:22:27,777
myself included,
functioned far too frequently
1302
01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:30,613
as Israel's lawyer
during these negotiations.
1303
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:35,159
Did we have
a Palestinian lawyer on our team?
1304
01:22:40,790 --> 01:22:42,792
[pensive music playing]
1305
01:22:48,881 --> 01:22:52,218
The idea of Camp David
that Barak put to us was,
1306
01:22:52,301 --> 01:22:53,511
we need a leader summit.
1307
01:22:54,136 --> 01:22:57,890
We get to Camp David,
and Barak doesn't wanna deal with Arafat.
1308
01:22:59,725 --> 01:23:03,354
President Clinton wants to broker
a meeting between the two leaders.
1309
01:23:03,437 --> 01:23:04,605
Barak doesn't wanna meet.
1310
01:23:04,689 --> 01:23:08,150
They have dinner.
Barak spends time not talking to Arafat.
1311
01:23:09,944 --> 01:23:13,072
So the whole logic,
again, became contradictory.
1312
01:23:13,155 --> 01:23:16,951
Why do you even need the summit
if they weren't gonna speak?
1313
01:23:21,497 --> 01:23:24,750
[Ross] After the first days,I feel like we're in deep trouble.
1314
01:23:25,292 --> 01:23:27,545
I have a sinking feeling in my stomach
1315
01:23:28,087 --> 01:23:32,967
that this thing now is entirely
on the wrong track.
1316
01:23:33,926 --> 01:23:36,470
I would occasionally call Debbie, my wife.
1317
01:23:36,554 --> 01:23:39,849
She'd say, "How's it going?"
And I'll say, "Badly."
1318
01:23:39,932 --> 01:23:44,979
I said, "Everything I'm trying,
doesn't matter what, it's failing."
1319
01:23:52,486 --> 01:23:55,406
[Miller] And here we werein an undisciplined summit,
1320
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:57,366
with terrific food,
1321
01:23:58,034 --> 01:23:59,660
a lot of activities,
1322
01:23:59,744 --> 01:24:03,039
movies, golf carts,
1323
01:24:03,122 --> 01:24:08,419
which the Israelis and Palestinians
love driving at excessive speeds.
1324
01:24:08,502 --> 01:24:11,589
I remember one senior American official
saying to me,
1325
01:24:11,672 --> 01:24:13,674
Camp David was about
getting up every morning
1326
01:24:13,758 --> 01:24:16,969
and asking ourselves,
"What do we do today?"
1327
01:24:18,721 --> 01:24:20,973
"What do we do today?"
1328
01:24:21,766 --> 01:24:23,309
At a presidential summit?
1329
01:24:23,851 --> 01:24:28,272
Only the second in the modern history
of the Arab-Israeli conflict,
1330
01:24:28,355 --> 01:24:33,569
where a president gathers the leaders
to try to reach an agreement?
1331
01:24:33,652 --> 01:24:35,654
[thunder rumbling]
1332
01:24:41,243 --> 01:24:43,079
[Ross] The first seven days,
1333
01:24:43,162 --> 01:24:44,663
Barak resists everything.
1334
01:24:45,414 --> 01:24:48,584
And it's only at the point where
the president becomes fed up with him,
1335
01:24:48,667 --> 01:24:51,337
where the president says,
"Look, it's gonna break my heart,
1336
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:53,380
but I've drafted a speech
to say we've failed,
1337
01:24:53,464 --> 01:24:55,424
and I'm prepared to go give it."
1338
01:24:56,842 --> 01:24:59,887
Only when Barak understands
the president is prepared to walk away
1339
01:24:59,970 --> 01:25:04,266
does he finally give us the serious set
of moves on all the issues.
1340
01:25:05,434 --> 01:25:08,729
The very logic.
In a sense, I said to everybody,
1341
01:25:08,813 --> 01:25:10,940
Barak said,
"Get everybody in the pressure cooker."
1342
01:25:11,023 --> 01:25:13,567
And it worked.
It worked on him, not Arafat.
1343
01:25:15,027 --> 01:25:16,695
Now Barak finally said,
1344
01:25:16,779 --> 01:25:19,573
here's what he was prepared
to offer on borders
1345
01:25:19,657 --> 01:25:22,409
and what he was prepared
to offer on Jerusalem as well.
1346
01:25:23,661 --> 01:25:25,871
He's prepared, in Jerusalem,
1347
01:25:25,955 --> 01:25:29,959
for all the outer neighborhoods
to have Palestinian sovereignty,
1348
01:25:30,042 --> 01:25:32,044
and he's prepared
1349
01:25:32,128 --> 01:25:36,882
to allow the Christian and Muslim Quarters
of the Old City to be Palestinian.
1350
01:25:38,968 --> 01:25:41,428
[Indyk] You have to understandthat the issue of Jerusalem
1351
01:25:41,512 --> 01:25:44,932
was never negotiated before Camp David.
1352
01:25:45,015 --> 01:25:48,477
So when he came to Clinton with this offer
1353
01:25:49,061 --> 01:25:53,774
that the Arab suburbs of Jerusalem
would be under Palestinian sovereignty,
1354
01:25:53,858 --> 01:25:55,901
this was very impressive.
1355
01:25:56,610 --> 01:26:00,906
And so we grabbed it,
and Clinton proposed it to Arafat.
1356
01:26:03,242 --> 01:26:05,077
[Ross] When Clinton finally does it,
1357
01:26:05,161 --> 01:26:07,496
I'm listening
through the crack in the door,
1358
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:09,707
and the president does it brilliantly.
1359
01:26:10,291 --> 01:26:13,460
He goes through
how hard it was to produce this.
1360
01:26:13,544 --> 01:26:15,629
This is what's possible.
1361
01:26:15,713 --> 01:26:17,214
He's gonna have a state.
1362
01:26:17,298 --> 01:26:20,718
He's gonna have a capital
in a part of Jerusalem.
1363
01:26:20,801 --> 01:26:23,512
He's gonna have sovereignty
in the Muslim and Christian Quarters.
1364
01:26:23,596 --> 01:26:24,972
He goes through it all.
1365
01:26:26,807 --> 01:26:28,225
He says to him:
1366
01:26:28,309 --> 01:26:31,979
"In the past, Palestinians didn't control
their own destiny.
1367
01:26:33,105 --> 01:26:35,566
And each time
after you weren't able to say yes,
1368
01:26:35,649 --> 01:26:36,649
you were worse off.
1369
01:26:37,860 --> 01:26:39,612
This time, if you say no,
1370
01:26:39,695 --> 01:26:43,115
when people look back and they regret it,
they'll have nobody to blame.
1371
01:26:43,908 --> 01:26:46,035
It'll be you. This was your chance.
1372
01:26:46,118 --> 01:26:50,122
Don't let the next generation blame you
for missing the opportunity."
1373
01:26:52,291 --> 01:26:54,043
And Arafat says he has to think about it.
1374
01:26:54,126 --> 01:26:57,379
He has questions.
He has to think about it. He goes off.
1375
01:26:58,047 --> 01:26:59,924
And afterwards,
the president's feeling good.
1376
01:27:00,007 --> 01:27:02,384
He feels like he did it well.
He feels like...
1377
01:27:02,468 --> 01:27:05,846
The way he reads Arafat,
he feels like Arafat was...
1378
01:27:06,430 --> 01:27:08,432
You know, he felt like he had him.
1379
01:27:10,392 --> 01:27:14,146
So it's like 1 in the morning.
I go to sleep, and I fall asleep.
1380
01:27:18,108 --> 01:27:20,527
The next thing I know, it's morning.
1381
01:27:20,611 --> 01:27:23,822
Uh, and I'm told
that they came back during the night,
1382
01:27:23,906 --> 01:27:28,327
and Sandy has, you know, basically said,
"Look, it's take it or leave it."
1383
01:27:29,245 --> 01:27:30,412
Uh...
1384
01:27:30,496 --> 01:27:32,081
And so they say no.
1385
01:27:32,164 --> 01:27:34,166
[solemn music playing]
1386
01:27:54,853 --> 01:27:55,896
I felt sick.
1387
01:27:58,190 --> 01:28:00,818
I felt physically sick.
1388
01:28:03,028 --> 01:28:04,697
I felt in my stomach
1389
01:28:04,780 --> 01:28:07,992
that this was a high-stakes venture
that had failed...
1390
01:28:09,201 --> 01:28:13,914
and that I bore responsibility
because, in the end, I pushed for it.
1391
01:28:15,082 --> 01:28:18,502
- [interviewer] But you didn't push for it.
- But I did in the end. But I did.
1392
01:28:18,585 --> 01:28:20,296
I did in the end. I knew better.
1393
01:28:20,379 --> 01:28:24,717
I should have known also that this wasn't
the only time to hold a summit.
1394
01:28:25,301 --> 01:28:26,802
I should have known that.
1395
01:28:32,224 --> 01:28:33,559
[Indyk] Arafat said no.
1396
01:28:34,226 --> 01:28:37,146
We couldn't understand it.
How could he reject such an offer?
1397
01:28:37,229 --> 01:28:39,648
He could never have hoped
to get such an offer.
1398
01:28:40,190 --> 01:28:43,152
But we didn't understand at the time...
It's obvious in retrospect.
1399
01:28:43,235 --> 01:28:45,612
But at the time,
what we didn't understand was,
1400
01:28:45,696 --> 01:28:47,948
this was an end-of-conflict deal.
1401
01:28:48,032 --> 01:28:49,325
This was it.
1402
01:28:49,408 --> 01:28:53,329
There was no chance to revise it,
get a better deal later.
1403
01:28:53,412 --> 01:28:56,498
Barak was insisting this was it,
end of claims.
1404
01:28:56,582 --> 01:29:03,172
And the proposal would have left Israel
with sovereignty on the Temple Mount,
1405
01:29:03,255 --> 01:29:04,548
Haram al-Sharif,
1406
01:29:04,631 --> 01:29:07,551
with the Al Aqsa Mosque in Israel's hands.
1407
01:29:08,635 --> 01:29:13,098
This was exactly what Arafat needed
to be able to reject the whole thing
1408
01:29:13,182 --> 01:29:16,643
because no Arab leader,
as he told Clinton,
1409
01:29:16,727 --> 01:29:19,104
no Arab leader would accept
1410
01:29:19,688 --> 01:29:22,900
that sovereignty
over the third-holiest mosque in Islam
1411
01:29:22,983 --> 01:29:24,610
would be in Israel's hands.
1412
01:29:25,986 --> 01:29:29,448
Arafat thought that if he would agree,
he would be killed.
1413
01:29:29,531 --> 01:29:31,700
And I remember Barak saying that:
1414
01:29:31,784 --> 01:29:34,453
"So be it.
I could be killed, you could be killed.
1415
01:29:34,536 --> 01:29:37,664
And any leader who wants
to change the reality could be killed."
1416
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:41,752
[Miller] We were the oneswho were supposed
1417
01:29:41,835 --> 01:29:44,838
to present Arafat
with a series of ultimatums
1418
01:29:44,922 --> 01:29:46,715
and pressure him to accept it.
1419
01:29:46,799 --> 01:29:49,927
That was Barak's whole logic, to use us
1420
01:29:50,010 --> 01:29:53,806
and use the president's credibility
to pry out of Arafat
1421
01:29:53,889 --> 01:29:57,351
concessions in the cauldron
and the heat of the summit.
1422
01:29:57,434 --> 01:30:01,313
As if Arafat, with the burden
of Jerusalem on his shoulders,
1423
01:30:01,397 --> 01:30:03,732
was going to cave in and collapse
1424
01:30:03,816 --> 01:30:07,861
in front of this mighty effort
on the part of President Clinton,
1425
01:30:07,945 --> 01:30:11,281
when you had a billion Muslims
in the world
1426
01:30:12,324 --> 01:30:15,911
who would have issued fatwas for his death
1427
01:30:15,994 --> 01:30:19,790
had he compromised
on any aspect of the Jerusalem issue?
1428
01:30:19,873 --> 01:30:21,875
[indistinct chatter]
1429
01:30:28,257 --> 01:30:32,219
Barak and Clinton, each in their own way,
1430
01:30:32,302 --> 01:30:36,515
wrongly believed
that the power of personality
1431
01:30:36,598 --> 01:30:40,644
and the power of persuasion
and the power of manipulation
1432
01:30:40,727 --> 01:30:44,356
could somehow transform
and change Arafat.
1433
01:30:46,900 --> 01:30:49,319
They wanted to ascend a mountain
1434
01:30:49,403 --> 01:30:53,824
by the very power
of their own personas, their own logic
1435
01:30:53,907 --> 01:30:57,411
and what they believed to be,
wrongly again,
1436
01:30:57,494 --> 01:31:01,165
a moment for Clinton and for Barak.
1437
01:31:01,248 --> 01:31:06,420
And that is why both of them
hold Arafat in such contempt,
1438
01:31:06,503 --> 01:31:12,384
fundamentally responsible
for not recognizing his moment.
1439
01:31:13,135 --> 01:31:18,056
It was their moment,
and yet Arafat didn't understand
1440
01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:21,852
that he was part of this plan
of great leadership.
1441
01:31:29,193 --> 01:31:31,403
[solemn music playing]
1442
01:31:43,999 --> 01:31:48,879
Trying and failing is much better
than not having tried at all,
1443
01:31:48,962 --> 01:31:51,757
and I remember
the president saying that to us.
1444
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,634
I was inspired by it.
1445
01:31:53,717 --> 01:31:57,554
But, you see, that's a slogan
for a college football team.
1446
01:31:58,263 --> 01:32:03,936
It's not a substitute for a foreign policy
of the most consequential nation on earth.
1447
01:32:04,019 --> 01:32:05,521
Failure costs.
1448
01:32:06,313 --> 01:32:10,025
I don't know. I mean,
I don't wanna be too hard on the process.
1449
01:32:10,108 --> 01:32:12,152
I include myself in this.
1450
01:32:12,236 --> 01:32:16,490
I was as much a part
of this enterprise as anybody else,
1451
01:32:16,573 --> 01:32:18,408
in terms of wanting it to succeed.
1452
01:32:18,492 --> 01:32:22,079
I just believe, when I look back now,
1453
01:32:22,162 --> 01:32:25,374
we saw the world
the way we wanted it to be.
1454
01:32:25,457 --> 01:32:29,002
We did not see the world the way it was.
1455
01:32:29,086 --> 01:32:32,047
- [dramatic music playing]
- [crowd clamoring]
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01:32:42,724 --> 01:32:48,647
[in Hebrew] The picture that is emerging
is that there is no partner for peace.
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01:32:49,356 --> 01:32:53,443
This truth is a painful one,
1458
01:32:53,527 --> 01:32:59,408
but that's the truth
and we must face the consequences.
1459
01:32:59,491 --> 01:33:00,826
[sirens wailing]
1460
01:33:04,871 --> 01:33:09,418
That summit, with the best of intentions
and the best of purposes,
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01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:15,090
laid the basis for a trauma
in the Israeli-Palestinian relationship
1462
01:33:15,173 --> 01:33:19,928
from which
that relationship has not yet recovered.
1463
01:33:23,181 --> 01:33:25,392
It was a very hard time,
1464
01:33:25,475 --> 01:33:28,312
as everything we'd strived for
1465
01:33:28,395 --> 01:33:31,356
had just come apart, destroyed.
1466
01:33:32,190 --> 01:33:34,818
All of our efforts had gone up in flames.
1467
01:33:35,485 --> 01:33:39,281
Instead of comprehensive peace,
we ended up with misery
1468
01:33:39,364 --> 01:33:41,700
on both sides,
1469
01:33:41,783 --> 01:33:44,286
and there was nothing I could do about it.
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01:33:52,753 --> 01:33:56,381
[Ross] Two or three daysbefore the end of Clinton's presidency,
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01:33:56,465 --> 01:34:01,053
Arafat calls to say goodbye to him,
and he tells him, "You're a great man."
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01:34:02,095 --> 01:34:06,099
And the president says,
"I'm not a great man. I'm a failure.
1473
01:34:06,183 --> 01:34:07,809
And you made me a failure."
1474
01:34:13,023 --> 01:34:15,025
[dramatic music playing]
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01:34:23,617 --> 01:34:27,537
[Miller] In March of '02, I was tryingto help negotiate a ceasefire
1476
01:34:27,621 --> 01:34:29,581
between Israelis and Palestinians.
1477
01:34:29,665 --> 01:34:32,584
I went to see Arafat at the Mukataa.
1478
01:34:32,668 --> 01:34:35,962
The door was barricaded. Mukataa was dark.
1479
01:34:36,046 --> 01:34:39,841
We made our way up
to Arafat's second-floor conference room.
1480
01:34:39,925 --> 01:34:43,762
There in the conference room,
with the windows blacked out,
1481
01:34:43,845 --> 01:34:48,225
candles on the table,
Arafat in full battle regalia,
1482
01:34:48,308 --> 01:34:52,854
with his machine pistol
sitting on top of the table.
1483
01:34:53,689 --> 01:34:56,233
And it was then I understood
1484
01:34:56,316 --> 01:35:00,320
that the struggler was
so much a part of Arafat's identity
1485
01:35:00,404 --> 01:35:03,740
that he was,
in many respects, in his element.
1486
01:35:07,786 --> 01:35:11,164
The last time I saw him
was October of '04.
1487
01:35:11,790 --> 01:35:15,377
Arafat had so fundamentally
changed in appearance
1488
01:35:15,460 --> 01:35:19,881
that I didn't even realize
it was the same person.
1489
01:35:19,965 --> 01:35:22,843
He had on a ski hat.
1490
01:35:23,510 --> 01:35:27,347
He looked like a senior
in a retirement community in Florida.
1491
01:35:28,807 --> 01:35:33,645
And I thought to myself
how absurd this was, the whole enterprise.
1492
01:35:33,729 --> 01:35:35,522
Within two weeks, he was dead.
1493
01:35:36,148 --> 01:35:38,483
[solemn music playing]
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01:35:49,453 --> 01:35:51,288
[man 26] President Bush ramped up talks
1495
01:35:51,371 --> 01:35:53,540
with the Israeli
and Palestinian prime ministers.
1496
01:35:53,623 --> 01:35:55,709
[woman 7]...promised high-level talks...
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01:35:55,792 --> 01:35:59,713
[man 27] Another bloody dayfor Israelis and Palestinians...
1498
01:35:59,796 --> 01:36:03,425
[man 28]...have gatheredin Annapolis, Maryland, to talk...
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01:36:03,508 --> 01:36:06,470
[woman 8] The goal, a peace agreementby the end of next year.
1500
01:36:06,553 --> 01:36:09,014
[various voices speaking indistinctly]
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01:36:16,146 --> 01:36:18,648
[woman 9]
...Israeli officer just outside Jerusalem.
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01:36:18,732 --> 01:36:21,943
[woman 10] The attacksacross the Gaza Strip have left over...
1503
01:36:22,027 --> 01:36:24,696
[woman 11]
...efforts to secure Arab-Israeli peace...
1504
01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:26,990
[woman 12] Secretary of State John Kerry
1505
01:36:27,073 --> 01:36:29,367
goes to Jerusalem today
to meet with Israeli...
1506
01:36:29,451 --> 01:36:33,538
[man 29] This morning, Israeli police shotand killed a Palestinian youngster
1507
01:36:33,622 --> 01:36:36,124
after he stabbed an Israeli officer...
1508
01:36:38,376 --> 01:36:42,297
[man 30] President Obama tried to reviveIsraeli-Palestinian peace talks...
1509
01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:45,008
[solemn music playing]
1510
01:37:03,193 --> 01:37:07,614
It's a history of missed opportunities.
1511
01:37:07,697 --> 01:37:11,326
And the missed opportunities were
not just, as Israelis love to believe,
1512
01:37:11,409 --> 01:37:15,622
it was just the Arabs or the Palestinians
that missed the opportunities.
1513
01:37:15,705 --> 01:37:19,292
Israel and the United States missed
the opportunities too.
1514
01:37:19,376 --> 01:37:20,877
And it's a tragedy.
1515
01:37:20,961 --> 01:37:22,796
It's a terrible tragedy
1516
01:37:22,879 --> 01:37:27,634
that we couldn't get the Syrian deal
and we couldn't get the Palestinian deal.
1517
01:37:29,928 --> 01:37:33,306
[Miller] Looking back right now,if I could change one thing,
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01:37:33,390 --> 01:37:37,769
I would take the word "peace"
and I would find another word for it.
1519
01:37:38,478 --> 01:37:40,480
We've never had it
between Arabs and Israelis
1520
01:37:40,564 --> 01:37:43,316
in the sense
that you and I would understand.
1521
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:44,776
We don't have it now.
1522
01:37:44,860 --> 01:37:50,782
And I would essentially not use that word
because it creates false expectations,
1523
01:37:50,866 --> 01:37:57,622
and it creates a level of aspiration
that we can't achieve.
1524
01:38:03,169 --> 01:38:06,298
[Malley] For decades,we've tried so many ways on negotiations
1525
01:38:06,381 --> 01:38:08,717
in so many different iterations.
1526
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:10,093
It all failed.
1527
01:38:10,176 --> 01:38:11,887
Even today, there are a lot of people
1528
01:38:11,970 --> 01:38:14,681
who say that all we need to do
is just keep the process alive
1529
01:38:14,764 --> 01:38:17,809
because without a process,
just the process,
1530
01:38:17,893 --> 01:38:20,437
things will get worse,
things will collapse.
1531
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:24,024
It's the bicycle metaphor.
The bicycle needs to keep moving.
1532
01:38:24,608 --> 01:38:29,571
There's the other view, which is,
if we simply keep the process alive,
1533
01:38:30,488 --> 01:38:33,074
we are distorting
the perceptions of both sides,
1534
01:38:33,158 --> 01:38:34,743
we're enabling the status quo,
1535
01:38:34,826 --> 01:38:38,038
and, in fact,
far from pushing towards a decision,
1536
01:38:38,121 --> 01:38:40,415
we are facilitating the perpetuation
1537
01:38:40,498 --> 01:38:42,542
of a status quo
that we claim is unsustainable.
1538
01:38:42,626 --> 01:38:46,171
Because if we keep saying,
"Let's bring them together and negotiate,"
1539
01:38:46,254 --> 01:38:49,841
and they don't reach a deal,
at some point, this looks like a farce.
1540
01:38:49,925 --> 01:38:51,927
[camera shutters clicking]
1541
01:38:54,596 --> 01:39:00,602
The United States will encourage a peace
and, really, a great peace deal.
1542
01:39:00,685 --> 01:39:04,689
We'll be working on it
very, very diligently.
1543
01:39:05,357 --> 01:39:08,026
Bibi and I have known each other
a long time,
1544
01:39:08,109 --> 01:39:12,530
a smart man, great negotiator,
and I think we're gonna make a deal.
1545
01:39:12,614 --> 01:39:16,326
Might be bigger and better
than people in this room understand.
1546
01:39:16,409 --> 01:39:19,454
That's a possibility.
So let's see what we do.
1547
01:39:21,247 --> 01:39:22,247
Let's try.
1548
01:39:23,583 --> 01:39:26,670
- Doesn't sound too optimistic, but...
- [audience laughs]
1549
01:39:29,547 --> 01:39:33,718
[interviewer] Dennis, the Middle East is
in the middle of profound transformation.
1550
01:39:33,802 --> 01:39:36,221
There are many in Israel relieved
that you never succeeded
1551
01:39:36,304 --> 01:39:38,431
with the Palestinian and the Syrian.
1552
01:39:38,515 --> 01:39:39,432
I know they say that.
1553
01:39:39,516 --> 01:39:41,518
Israel would have handed over
the Golan Heights,
1554
01:39:41,601 --> 01:39:46,189
leaving itself directly exposed to attacks
from Assad's friends, Iran and Hezbollah.
1555
01:39:46,940 --> 01:39:50,151
The whole Middle East might've
been different if you had peace.
1556
01:39:50,235 --> 01:39:54,406
You know, it's like the track,
the possibility not taken,
1557
01:39:54,489 --> 01:39:58,118
you don't know all the other things
that would've taken place.
1558
01:39:58,201 --> 01:40:03,289
People today say, "Oh, how lucky we were
that the deal wasn't made."
1559
01:40:03,373 --> 01:40:06,876
But what they miss is
that it would have changed everything.
1560
01:40:08,169 --> 01:40:10,171
[interviewer] What do you mean?
1561
01:40:10,255 --> 01:40:14,009
Because I believe we would have gotten
a comprehensive peace,
1562
01:40:14,092 --> 01:40:16,886
with the Palestinians,
the Syrians and the Lebanese.
1563
01:40:16,970 --> 01:40:20,515
Do you think that the fate of Syria
would have been different?
1564
01:40:20,598 --> 01:40:22,034
- If Syria...
- You cannot tell me...
1565
01:40:22,058 --> 01:40:26,062
If Syria had made
a peace deal with Israel,
1566
01:40:26,146 --> 01:40:27,772
circumstances would've been different.
1567
01:40:27,856 --> 01:40:30,233
The future of the Middle East
would have been different.
1568
01:40:30,316 --> 01:40:32,318
I can't tell you exactly how,
1569
01:40:32,402 --> 01:40:35,905
but it would be dramatically different
to the way it is now.
1570
01:40:35,989 --> 01:40:37,991
[pensive music playing]
1571
01:40:41,536 --> 01:40:45,749
[Helal] It's a mistake to assumethat all sides are eager to have peace.
1572
01:40:45,832 --> 01:40:48,752
It's always easy
to have an enemy out there.
1573
01:40:49,502 --> 01:40:52,130
Peace is, uh, hard work,
1574
01:40:52,213 --> 01:40:56,468
and changing minds,
changing hearts, accepting the other side.
1575
01:40:56,551 --> 01:41:01,222
You really have to look at tomorrow
and what you're gonna do about tomorrow.
1576
01:41:01,306 --> 01:41:04,684
Uh, a lot of parties feel comfort
in the past.
1577
01:41:09,397 --> 01:41:13,693
As a matter of fact, today,
I cannot think of a way
1578
01:41:13,777 --> 01:41:18,031
to really settle
the Palestinian-Israeli issue.
1579
01:41:18,114 --> 01:41:20,950
Is the idea
of two-state solution still possible?
1580
01:41:21,034 --> 01:41:23,620
I doubt it.
I really don't think it's there.
1581
01:41:25,413 --> 01:41:29,250
When you look at the animosity
and the hatred that exists,
1582
01:41:29,334 --> 01:41:31,795
the human side is completely out.
1583
01:41:33,254 --> 01:41:36,674
People just love
to demonize the other side.
1584
01:41:36,758 --> 01:41:39,302
All their ills is
because of the other side.
1585
01:41:39,385 --> 01:41:42,055
All their problems
because of the other side.
1586
01:41:42,806 --> 01:41:44,808
And unfortunately, today,
1587
01:41:44,891 --> 01:41:48,728
the leaders are basically
a reflection of their own societies.
1588
01:41:48,812 --> 01:41:53,942
And unless you are planning
on accepting the other side,
1589
01:41:54,818 --> 01:41:57,904
there is zero hope for a solution.
1590
01:42:08,289 --> 01:42:10,291
[pensive music playing]
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