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I mean, the stop motion
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is still very interesting,
I think.
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It's different than digital,
you know?
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There's an... it has
its own world a little bit.
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There's something special
about stop motion.
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All the flash effects were done
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as a separate pass.
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So, what we had to do is then
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you got the one frame
that you want.
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Now, you have to turn
the lights off,
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isolate the flash tubes,
and you've got to put
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this little strobe unit
into the end of the gun.
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You got to wrap it
in some orange gel,
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and you had to take some cotton,
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and sculpt the cotton
into the shape of a gaseous,
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- you know, explosion.
- There was always
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that kind of anticipation
after you finished the shot.
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What's it gonna look
like tomorrow?
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Because something
that you worked so hard on,
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there may be a glitch,
or some little thing,
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or light could have burnt.
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Somebody could have bumped
a little something on the set.
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You'd have to redo
the whole thing the next day.
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Unfortunately,
throughout the process,
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the animators
would occasionally get shocks.
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And I always remember,
you know, you hear this...
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"Jesus Christ!"
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And for whatever reason,
from my own exposure,
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to me, it was kind of funny.
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I'd be cracking up like,
"Oh, there goes another one."
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I know exactly how they feel.
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The fight scene, they would be
flying through the air
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and through the glass doors.
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We had ramps built.
So, I could not quite run up,
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but launch myself
through those glass doors,
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and then another one
up against the wall.
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And then the mask came off.
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They'd have to screw it on,
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because I had a permanent cut
across my nose,
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'cause every time I fell,
it just bopped me on the nose.
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There's one little blue screen
shot there,
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which is like, you know,
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a guy doing a backflip
over the camera,
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which was added
to one of the ED-209 shots.
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There were a few shots
that I really needed
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to be a little bit smoother,
so I came up
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with like a poor man's
version of Go motion.
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I would just drive a wedge
under the table
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that I was working on,
so the table was stable,
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and I'd animate the puppet,
and hit the camera,
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and just slightly wiggle
the table,
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and got a... got a motion blur.
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But I had to make sure
that the table
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was wiggling the right way,
so the motion blur
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was the right way,
and all that stuff.
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I can't imagine
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really anyone doing a better job
than Peter did in that role.
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I didn't get
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that he was gonna make us
care desperately for RoboCop.
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I just thought he was wonderful.
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I thought his part
was a lot more difficult
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than people give him credit for.
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I don't wanna act unless I am
transforming something,
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and it's not called "technique".
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Technique is like,
how you get to say something,
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what takes you
to the personalization of it.
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Some people say,
"A technical actor?" No.
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You're either bullshit
or you're saying something.
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But every good actor knows
when he's saying something.
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We needed a shot
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that we couldn't get
contact-wise any other way.
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So, we built a little RoboCop.
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I sculpted this little 8-inch
replica of RoboCop.
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And it was a fairly quick shot,
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but it shows you
how much work needs to be done
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on even shots that... that pass
in fractions of a second.
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Where he's shooting the rockets
out of his arm,
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they built explosives
into the set.
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And as I walked to one,
and turned away,
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the rocket was on a wire,
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then it went a whole lot faster
than I could get away.
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And as I was turning away,
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all the debris went through,
the suit and into my arm,
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and then knocked me
across the hallway.
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They had to cut the suit off.
I went to the hospital.
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They released me
later on that day,
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but my arm was all swollen,
embedded with, you know,
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whatever the material was,
and started to swell.
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Like I said,
it was all practical.
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You just had to do it.
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And then a beautiful scene
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that ED-209
trying to tiptoe down there,
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and he can't get down.
God, what...
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Is that genius or what?
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For the scene where ED-209
falls down the stairs,
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for the shots
where ED-209's looking
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at his feet,
trying to figure out
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how to stay
with the placement and stuff,
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those were shot
on an actual miniature.
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And that was really
not very big.
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It was, you know,
kind of a duplicate
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of a location we found out
in Dallas, Texas, there.
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So, went out there,
took measurements,
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took photographs.
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For him tumbling
down the stairs,
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we got the thing set up,
and started running
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at as high a frame rate
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as we could get out
of these Mitchell cameras.
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And basically,
Phil would pop the thing,
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the robot would tumble
down the stairs.
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I'm off camera,
below the camera,
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trying to catch it,
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because if it hits the ground,
I've gotta fix it.
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Once he hits
the bottom of the stairs,
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then we're back
to a photographic plate
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where we've got a shot
of RoboCop, you know,
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kind of in the background,
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and ED-209 in the foreground,
writhing about.
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John Davidson told me
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that they used the sounds
of pigs being slaughtered
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for the writhing
and agony moment there...
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which was pretty effective.
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And then we shot the scene
in the garage, fire at will.
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Prepare to fire.
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That was just a dynamic,
wonderful scene.
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The thing is,
I've got 75 background actors
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behind me
with all kinds of weapons.
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We have orders to destroy it.
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Everybody in Texas does not
know how to handle a weapon.
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Fire at will!
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Miguel Ferrer and I became
very good friends.
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And we would play SWAT officers.
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So, we would be up all night
doing that kind of stuff.
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We ran around Dallas at night,
and drank too much,
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and did crazy things.
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And so, that was fun
of what I remember of it.
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The shootout stuff,
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I mean,
it says that in the script,
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but I envisioned that fully,
with all the bullets
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falling on the ground,
and all that stuff,
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that's... that's all mine.
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I mean, listen, at that time,
people are paying
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$5 a ticket, right?
You... you got to give them
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their 5 bucks' worth, you know?
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It's like,
"Fuck, push that envelope."
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We had about five or six
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RoboCop suits in different
states of disrepair.
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You know, some
were the battle-damaged suits.
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We spent a couple of days
just tearing those suits up,
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took dremel suits to 'em,
paintbrushes,
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and just really wore
those things out.
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They shot some kind of compound
into the chest plate,
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and it would create sparks.
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They're called, "Zerk guns".
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They're like paintball guns,
and you know,
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whenever they hit the hand,
you know,
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it's like they're standing
about 10 feet away,
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and you just hope
that they're a pretty good shot.
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We pumped in some fluid
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oozing out of the chest plate,
like chemical fluid,
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and some
of the life-support stuff
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that Robo has in his making.
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Halt it!
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I had Randy Moore next to me,
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fortunately,
because he had an AUG,
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and Verhoeven said,
"What I want you to do is
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I want you to hold that up
next to Michael's face."
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And he said, "We can do that,
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but you're only gonna get
one take."
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"Why is that?"
"'Cause," he said,
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"It'll probably take the skin
off his face."
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"Oh, no, no, no, no.
Don't do that."
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The way Peter is moving
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and the way
he's kind of falling back,
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it's not real,
but it looks beautiful in a way
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that looks naturalistic,
but it's not.
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It's all very planned out.
It's very precise.
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That's actually me falling
over the side of those rails.
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There was no pads down there.
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I actually went to the ground
each time, and probably did it...
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I don't know, probably 10 times.
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I... I still hurt
because of that.
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Both of the female characters,
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they're two different
female archetypes.
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One is the domestic goddess,
the homemaker, the wife,
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and the other one is more
the independent woman who
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- doesn't have any children...
- Murphy!
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Who is living
in the man's world.
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- Murphy, it's me.
- And I think
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that's one of the things
that makes the movie work
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is because it is a guy's film,
and they've got
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all this masculine energy,
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but these two women
rounds out the humanity.
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I came to be involved
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in the project,
because my husband,
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Kurtwood Smith,
was cast as Clarence Boddicker.
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Hiya, Barbara.
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He said, "Well, I think I'll ask
'em if they would read you,"
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and that's how I got involved.
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And the part, of course,
was the secretary.
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We kind of like, played around
with it a little bit.
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Listen.
I'm here to see Dick Jones.
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You know,
put the chewing gum on her desk.
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And when I'm done,
I've got some free time.
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Maybe you could fit me in.
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But it was fun.
We had a real good time.
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He's expecting you,
Mr. Boddicker.
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He would just have this look
of evil, gleeful evil,
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that is really not a part
of who Kurtwood is,
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or not... not a part
that I've ever seen.
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Hey, Dickie boy. How's tricks?
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That thing is still alive.
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I spent a lot of time trying
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to get at the essence
of acting, and it's...
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It's a really complex thing.
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He's a cyborg, you idiot!
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How technical and simple
it has to be at once.
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His memory is admissible
as evidence.
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Yeah. The technical stuff
has to come through,
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and if it ever shows
for even an instant, then...
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Then our bullshit senses say,
"Uh-uh."
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You involved me!
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It's important to me
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that Clarence works
with Dick Jones.
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He doesn't... he's not a toady,
you know?
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Well, the scene
had been rewritten.
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It was not what Paul and I
had talked about, basically,
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and that it had become
pretty much
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of a yes-or-no-sir scene.
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Well, listen, Chief.
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"I said, Paul, this is exactly
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what we talked
about at breakfast
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that I didn't want to happen,
you know?"
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He said, "Oh, you're just trying
to make the scene
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all about you,"
and kind of stomped off.
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And I said to Jon Davison...
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Jon understood
what I was talking about,
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and you know, it's actually
better scene for Ronny,
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because it went from being
a yes-or-no-sir scene
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into one where Dick Jones
is manipulating me.
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One man could control it all,
Clarence.
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They're the two villains
that everybody loves to hate,
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and... and he got such a joy
out of calling me, "Dick."
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Take a look at my face, Dick.
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And Dick Jones
didn't think that was funny.
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You got access
to military weaponry?
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We practically are the military.
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There is this beautiful scene
249
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when he sits there
in this steel factory.
250
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I guess we're on strike.
251
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I wasn't sure what you needed.
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What you would call
a personal human scene.
253
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You asked for this?
254
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I think the scene
is very beautiful.
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The helmet wouldn't fit on his
head, you know,
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with the prosthetic
'cause it was just...
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Everything was too big.
258
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So, Paul had that worked out
259
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where you didn't have
to actually see him
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lifting it off his head.
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You may not like
what you're going to see.
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But now, he's like, "Well, what
about all this black stuff,
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the chin strap, the neck piece?"
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It's like, just suddenly,
that's gonna be gone
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and we were gonna take
a piece and like,
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put some cuts in it
to where he could be like,
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lifting it off his head,
and Paul's just like,
268
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"Eh,
nobody's ever gonna notice."
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- Ta-da!
- You know, all of a sudden,
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like this thing just vanishes.
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And I was like,
"How could they not notice?
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It's there,
then it's not there."
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But they don't.
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It's you know,
you're so into the scene.
275
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I remember the first
makeup test that we did.
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We shot under green neon light.
It looked awful.
277
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Paul was confident
that he could make it look good
278
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with controlled lighting,
but he wanted to see it
279
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under its worst circumstances.
280
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So, we're screening
the test footage.
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Rob's sitting there going,
"Oh, that looks like crap.
282
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No, you can't shoot it that
way. That looks bad."
283
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And I was like devastated,
284
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'cause this just looks
like dead flesh.
285
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And then Rob
just gets up and walks out.
286
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I remember Paul is out there,
and they're almost
287
00:14:19,473 --> 00:14:23,076
getting into like,
a physical altercation.
288
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And Jon's there,
trying to calm Verhoeven down.
289
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And Rob's over Jon's back
just mocking Verhoeven.
290
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Yeah. That kind of thing.
291
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I mean, a very, very genius
guy, Rob Bottin.
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Difficult guy, but top, top.
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He built a forefront
294
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that looked like part
of the head was missing.
295
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So, from the side,
you would see it
296
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going like this, yeah, bop,
which is not possible,
297
00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:54,041
and it's like you're cutting
the head.
298
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The final makeup
was not an easy one to pull off.
299
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It was all in one piece.
There was no margin for error.
300
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And the face
took six and a half hours.
301
00:15:05,753 --> 00:15:07,388
Stephan Dupuis, genius.
302
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Three hours
of putting that thing on,
303
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and three and a half hours
of making it up.
304
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And I would go into zen mode,
zen meditation mode.
305
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There was a very particular way
306
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of it being applied, as opposed
to start from the edge out.
307
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It had to be started like
in the middle of the appliance,
308
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adjusted to fit the prongs
309
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to the back
of the fiberglass skull,
310
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and then work that way,
and then work this way
311
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so that it would like,
fit and blend,
312
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and uh, there was no kink,
313
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because you couldn't hide
anything.
314
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Then, you know,
if there was a kink somewhere,
315
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it would like, show up
on the screen like big time.
316
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It was 21 days for that face.
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I was going to put that face on
when the crew would come in
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from dinner at 1:30
in the morning.
319
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And then I got to put on a suit.
320
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So, that's like,
an eight-and-a-half-hour day
321
00:15:58,773 --> 00:16:01,442
before I've even turned
to camera, man.
322
00:16:01,642 --> 00:16:03,843
It was two and a half hours
to take it off,
323
00:16:03,844 --> 00:16:04,844
'cause they had to pull it off,
324
00:16:04,845 --> 00:16:06,746
otherwise,
my face looked like a zit.
325
00:16:06,747 --> 00:16:09,082
You can't just rip
that stuff off.
326
00:16:09,083 --> 00:16:10,750
You know, RoboCop gets shot in
the head,
327
00:16:10,751 --> 00:16:13,486
so I had to carry that bullet
hole over into the makeup
328
00:16:13,487 --> 00:16:15,321
that he wears
without his helmet.
329
00:16:15,322 --> 00:16:16,756
I remember thinking, you know,
"God, when I was a kid,
330
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I took apart the telephone once,
331
00:16:18,259 --> 00:16:20,794
and there's that little disc
with the dots in it,
332
00:16:20,795 --> 00:16:22,515
and he'll just have one of
those for an ear,
333
00:16:22,596 --> 00:16:24,164
you know,
where his ear should be."
334
00:16:24,165 --> 00:16:25,799
His organics
need to be supported.
335
00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:26,966
So, I thought
there should be some,
336
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probably tubes, coming out,
337
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maybe feeding into the skin,
you know?
338
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When I take off the helmet,
339
00:16:34,508 --> 00:16:37,443
if you'll notice,
the voice softens.
340
00:16:37,444 --> 00:16:39,680
Murphy had a wife and son.
What happened to them?
341
00:16:39,980 --> 00:16:41,415
It was a small adjustment.
342
00:16:41,816 --> 00:16:44,517
It's not that octave.
It's this octave.
343
00:16:44,518 --> 00:16:46,019
Where did they go?
344
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The most important line
in RoboCop is this:
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"I can feel them,
but I can't remember them."
346
00:16:53,227 --> 00:16:57,130
I can feel them,
but I can't remember them.
347
00:16:57,131 --> 00:17:00,167
And that's the saddest,
most excruciating line in it.
348
00:17:00,434 --> 00:17:02,203
And it cuts to this wide,
349
00:17:02,536 --> 00:17:06,072
and here's this steel mill
that is decrepit.
350
00:17:06,073 --> 00:17:10,176
It was once shiny and beautiful,
and then here's RoboCop...
351
00:17:10,177 --> 00:17:11,477
Leave me alone.
352
00:17:11,478 --> 00:17:12,678
Who was once a shiny thing,
353
00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,715
and he's all beat up
and shot up.
354
00:17:15,716 --> 00:17:19,519
That's what it is to be alive,
is who we love, our memories.
355
00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,387
The bewildering gift
356
00:17:21,388 --> 00:17:23,791
of this film
is loss and rebirth.
357
00:17:25,492 --> 00:17:29,195
But the travesty and the drama,
358
00:17:29,196 --> 00:17:31,831
and essentially,
the tragedy of it,
359
00:17:31,832 --> 00:17:36,003
he'll never get it back.
'Cause it's gone.
360
00:17:49,516 --> 00:17:52,819
There was an area called
"Deep Elm" down in Dallas.
361
00:17:52,820 --> 00:17:54,654
It was sort of like
an art district.
362
00:17:54,655 --> 00:17:56,222
The art department built
363
00:17:56,223 --> 00:17:58,859
all these shops
with empty windows
364
00:17:59,293 --> 00:18:01,594
so that you could see
the lights and everything.
365
00:18:01,595 --> 00:18:03,430
It was nice, very nicely done.
366
00:18:08,702 --> 00:18:10,069
There was something about
the grittiness of that
367
00:18:10,070 --> 00:18:11,571
that really worked well.
368
00:18:11,572 --> 00:18:13,773
And you had the skyline
in the background.
369
00:18:13,774 --> 00:18:15,675
So, there were things
that were practical.
370
00:18:15,676 --> 00:18:18,044
It was a bigger production
than Dallas was used to,
371
00:18:18,045 --> 00:18:21,381
which made everybody work
harder, made for long hours.
372
00:18:21,382 --> 00:18:23,750
I mean, one time,
I did four 20-hour days.
373
00:18:23,751 --> 00:18:25,319
I mean,
that's the kind of job it was.
374
00:18:25,686 --> 00:18:27,321
And the discomfort of it all,
375
00:18:27,554 --> 00:18:30,223
and the violence of it all,
actually created
376
00:18:30,224 --> 00:18:32,292
a lot of what you see on screen,
377
00:18:32,293 --> 00:18:33,928
and a lot of
it's really authentic.
378
00:18:34,228 --> 00:18:35,261
We hung out, and we talked,
379
00:18:35,262 --> 00:18:37,430
and we went,
and we drank together.
380
00:18:37,431 --> 00:18:39,333
We just kind of played off
of each other.
381
00:18:39,533 --> 00:18:41,167
It was like everybody
kind of understood
382
00:18:41,168 --> 00:18:43,436
where they were coming from
as a character,
383
00:18:43,437 --> 00:18:47,006
and we just threw it all in,
and it... it... it mixed up well.
384
00:18:47,007 --> 00:18:47,975
Hey, Emil.
385
00:18:47,976 --> 00:18:50,176
- Hey.
- How's the Gray Bar Hotel?
386
00:18:50,177 --> 00:18:53,546
Not bad. I got to keep the
shirt. Nobody popped my cherry.
387
00:18:53,547 --> 00:18:55,448
Most of them went above
388
00:18:55,449 --> 00:18:58,084
and beyond the call of duty
with their roles,
389
00:18:58,085 --> 00:19:02,989
and really made them come
to life with unique characters
390
00:19:02,990 --> 00:19:04,891
rather than just the bad guy.
391
00:19:04,892 --> 00:19:06,092
Hey!
392
00:19:06,093 --> 00:19:08,261
First, they let me out of jail
for free,
393
00:19:08,262 --> 00:19:11,164
then look what I found
in the prison parking lot.
394
00:19:11,165 --> 00:19:14,033
A brand-new 6,000 SUX,
395
00:19:14,034 --> 00:19:15,002
still got the factory sticker
on it.
396
00:19:15,003 --> 00:19:16,269
Hey, Clarence!
397
00:19:16,270 --> 00:19:18,305
Joey's got a car
just like yours, man.
398
00:19:20,207 --> 00:19:22,142
What do you think, Clarence,
huh? Huh?
399
00:19:24,345 --> 00:19:26,479
I always saw this character
400
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:30,217
and kind of the gang in general
as guys that were having fun.
401
00:19:32,987 --> 00:19:34,487
I had had some experience
402
00:19:34,488 --> 00:19:39,158
with the... the Barrett M82,
.50 caliber, semi-automatic,
403
00:19:39,159 --> 00:19:41,861
and so, I showed it to 'em.
They liked it.
404
00:19:41,862 --> 00:19:45,532
Whoa! A new toy! Can I play?
405
00:19:45,766 --> 00:19:47,300
We purchased three of 'em.
406
00:19:47,301 --> 00:19:48,301
So, we had four total.
407
00:19:48,635 --> 00:19:51,004
Take one!
408
00:19:51,005 --> 00:19:52,005
Ooh, shit!
409
00:19:52,006 --> 00:19:53,840
- Nice car, Joe!
- Let me try it, fuck!
410
00:19:53,841 --> 00:19:55,608
- Let me try it!
- Hey, watch your mouth.
411
00:19:55,609 --> 00:19:57,543
Cobra assault cannon.
412
00:19:57,544 --> 00:20:00,213
State-of-the-art, bang, bang!
413
00:20:00,214 --> 00:20:03,850
They're like 50-caliber machine
guns that you mount on boats.
414
00:20:03,851 --> 00:20:05,485
That's what they mainly
use them for.
415
00:20:05,486 --> 00:20:07,553
And they were pretty hefty.
416
00:20:07,554 --> 00:20:09,222
I think there were probably
about, you know,
417
00:20:09,223 --> 00:20:10,790
40 or 50 pounds.
418
00:20:10,791 --> 00:20:12,392
We had a dummy, of course.
419
00:20:12,393 --> 00:20:15,261
But we had to have the real ones
when we fired them.
420
00:20:15,262 --> 00:20:16,263
Clarence, come on!
421
00:20:18,399 --> 00:20:20,066
The Cobra assault cannons,
422
00:20:20,067 --> 00:20:22,101
initially, we were gonna put
a camera
423
00:20:22,102 --> 00:20:23,436
where it appears
to be an eyepiece
424
00:20:23,437 --> 00:20:25,171
that was gonna be forward,
425
00:20:25,172 --> 00:20:28,641
and the back end of the scope
was going to be a screen.
426
00:20:28,642 --> 00:20:32,712
There wasn't the budget to build
four or five working scopes,
427
00:20:32,713 --> 00:20:34,547
and so, it was just a big block
428
00:20:34,548 --> 00:20:36,416
with all the fins
and everything on it.
429
00:20:36,417 --> 00:20:38,451
In terms of preparing to shoot,
430
00:20:38,452 --> 00:20:41,587
they said, "Here.
Okay, hold it this way.
431
00:20:41,588 --> 00:20:43,389
Okay, pull the trigger."
432
00:20:43,390 --> 00:20:44,390
Whoo!
433
00:20:44,391 --> 00:20:46,460
Yeah!
434
00:20:48,062 --> 00:20:50,563
They was like, "No.
We didn't have a lot of prep."
435
00:20:50,564 --> 00:20:53,266
I just remember
trying to get them in the car.
436
00:20:53,267 --> 00:20:55,107
Fired, then I get in the car,
and I was like...
437
00:20:57,304 --> 00:20:58,671
Parker.
438
00:20:58,672 --> 00:21:01,207
Take it out. And action!
439
00:21:01,208 --> 00:21:03,911
The thing I get most quoted for
is, "I like it."
440
00:21:05,779 --> 00:21:08,381
- Whoo!
- I like it!
441
00:21:08,382 --> 00:21:09,715
And most people
442
00:21:09,716 --> 00:21:11,718
will come up to me,
and say, "Oh, I like it!"
443
00:21:12,886 --> 00:21:14,221
So, I say,
"That'll be $5."
444
00:21:14,555 --> 00:21:16,222
I like it!
445
00:21:16,223 --> 00:21:18,091
And that line
was not my invention.
446
00:21:18,092 --> 00:21:19,492
That actually was scripted.
447
00:21:19,493 --> 00:21:21,594
And I think
it was the boom operator,
448
00:21:21,595 --> 00:21:22,629
if I remember right.
449
00:21:23,030 --> 00:21:24,697
And he talked about it
reminding him
450
00:21:24,698 --> 00:21:26,733
of a Chevy Chase film
where he says,
451
00:21:26,967 --> 00:21:30,471
"I like it" in some crazy way,
which I actually hadn't seen.
452
00:21:33,273 --> 00:21:34,508
I like it!
453
00:21:35,042 --> 00:21:36,610
Just his saying that triggered
454
00:21:36,877 --> 00:21:39,579
this idea in me,
and that's why the reading
455
00:21:39,580 --> 00:21:40,781
came out the way that it did.
456
00:21:41,081 --> 00:21:42,883
I like it!
457
00:21:43,083 --> 00:21:44,550
Originally, there was a scene
458
00:21:44,551 --> 00:21:47,053
where Clarence's gang
go to a pet shop,
459
00:21:47,054 --> 00:21:49,089
and there's a little puppy
in a window.
460
00:21:49,456 --> 00:21:51,524
And they have those guns,
and they point it,
461
00:21:51,525 --> 00:21:53,159
and one of them goes, "Nah."
462
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:55,294
And they turn around,
and they start to walk off.
463
00:21:55,295 --> 00:21:56,996
But then they turn back,
and they kill the puppy,
464
00:21:56,997 --> 00:21:59,465
and they blow up the pet store.
465
00:21:59,466 --> 00:22:02,602
Now, if you know anything
about film taboos at that time,
466
00:22:02,603 --> 00:22:04,537
you were never supposed
to kill a pet.
467
00:22:04,538 --> 00:22:06,506
Wow!
468
00:22:06,507 --> 00:22:07,540
I like it!
469
00:22:07,541 --> 00:22:09,009
"I like it!" Boom!
470
00:22:12,479 --> 00:22:13,646
It was a Friday night.
471
00:22:13,647 --> 00:22:15,948
They shot all night,
and I had a hot date.
472
00:22:15,949 --> 00:22:17,617
She wanted to go to the set.
473
00:22:17,618 --> 00:22:20,654
And man, they had done
something to that street.
474
00:22:20,921 --> 00:22:22,622
And that was one of the scenes
where, you know,
475
00:22:22,623 --> 00:22:23,990
we had a big fight
476
00:22:23,991 --> 00:22:25,625
in order to make sure the actors
didn't get too close.
477
00:22:25,626 --> 00:22:27,627
And then Paul would say,
"Okay, get a little closer.
478
00:22:27,628 --> 00:22:28,562
Actors,
would you get a little closer?
479
00:22:28,563 --> 00:22:29,629
Get a little closer?"
480
00:22:29,630 --> 00:22:31,364
Of course,
there was a lot of stunts.
481
00:22:31,365 --> 00:22:32,365
Yeah!
482
00:22:33,667 --> 00:22:35,502
And there was a lot
of explosions.
483
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:39,773
And some of the explosions
were extraordinary enough.
484
00:22:42,709 --> 00:22:45,044
There's an explosion, basically,
when they have these new guns,
485
00:22:45,045 --> 00:22:46,412
and they shoot in the street.
486
00:22:46,413 --> 00:22:49,482
And I remember that the actors
were nearly blown away.
487
00:22:49,483 --> 00:22:51,317
Hey, make a camera mark.
488
00:22:51,318 --> 00:22:52,685
And background.
489
00:22:52,686 --> 00:22:54,387
Background action.
490
00:22:54,388 --> 00:22:56,022
Now, it's a real street, right,
that they're shooting on.
491
00:22:56,023 --> 00:22:58,424
So, they buy out one side of it,
they load it up,
492
00:22:58,425 --> 00:22:59,826
'cause they're gonna blow it up.
493
00:23:00,227 --> 00:23:02,962
On the other side, are stores
and people living above it.
494
00:23:02,963 --> 00:23:05,731
So, the AD comes out
with a bullhorn, right?
495
00:23:05,732 --> 00:23:07,877
And he says that the people
that are in their apartments,
496
00:23:07,901 --> 00:23:10,970
he says, "Please step back
from the windows."
497
00:23:10,971 --> 00:23:13,406
"Go back. You're not safe there.
Go back."
498
00:23:13,407 --> 00:23:15,141
"These are live charges.
499
00:23:15,142 --> 00:23:17,510
Please step back
from the windows.
500
00:23:17,511 --> 00:23:20,146
Actors, stand right here."
501
00:23:20,147 --> 00:23:22,515
So, we were just like, "Dude."
502
00:23:22,516 --> 00:23:23,516
Shit.
503
00:23:23,717 --> 00:23:25,251
And I looked at Kurtwood,
504
00:23:25,252 --> 00:23:27,820
thinking, "If they're not safe,
what are we doing right here?"
505
00:23:27,821 --> 00:23:30,021
But we hear, "Roll, and action."
And I pull the trigger.
506
00:23:31,692 --> 00:23:34,427
And all I remember
is a wall of flame
507
00:23:34,428 --> 00:23:35,696
coming straight at me.
508
00:23:38,165 --> 00:23:39,632
And we were all like...
509
00:23:39,633 --> 00:23:40,701
Heads up, you guys!
510
00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:46,239
You can see even the actors
doing this, you know?
511
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,542
Because it was much bigger
than everybody thought.
512
00:23:51,478 --> 00:23:52,579
I turned around,
513
00:23:53,013 --> 00:23:54,881
and Kurtwood Smith's jacket
is smoking.
514
00:23:55,215 --> 00:23:56,916
We were just close enough
515
00:23:56,917 --> 00:23:59,218
to feel some
of the little pieces of glass
516
00:23:59,219 --> 00:24:01,722
hit us on the side of the face,
a little bit, little...
517
00:24:02,089 --> 00:24:04,190
Tiny little slivers.
518
00:24:04,191 --> 00:24:06,926
And we had a couple of
blood spots on our face.
519
00:24:06,927 --> 00:24:09,863
And that was a $500-bump,
as I recall.
520
00:24:10,097 --> 00:24:13,399
They actually ended up paying us
stunt pay for that.
521
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,567
- Whoo!
- Go, go, go, go, go!
522
00:24:14,568 --> 00:24:16,303
Hey, the guns are trick,
Clarence.
523
00:24:18,772 --> 00:24:20,641
And stuff is blowing up
and blowing up.
524
00:24:20,941 --> 00:24:23,409
I said to myself,
"I need to sit back."
525
00:24:23,410 --> 00:24:25,170
And I sat back,
and a piece of glass comes...
526
00:24:26,146 --> 00:24:28,080
straight through the truck.
527
00:24:28,081 --> 00:24:31,117
I was like, "Dude,
this is, like, way too real."
528
00:24:31,118 --> 00:24:32,351
My favorite thing
about the whole thing
529
00:24:32,352 --> 00:24:34,120
was that Paul afterwards
came up to me,
530
00:24:34,121 --> 00:24:37,224
and he said, "You know,
normally, I don't ask an actor
531
00:24:37,424 --> 00:24:39,458
to do something that
I won't do myself,
532
00:24:39,459 --> 00:24:42,128
but this time,
I think I don't do it."
533
00:24:42,129 --> 00:24:43,629
No.
534
00:24:43,630 --> 00:24:46,832
That night, when we blew up
that street completely,
535
00:24:46,833 --> 00:24:50,102
was one of the most fun nights
I've ever had in my career.
536
00:24:50,103 --> 00:24:52,172
But charity work
ain't your style, man.
537
00:24:54,675 --> 00:24:57,343
What's the real deal
behind this turkey shoot?
538
00:24:57,344 --> 00:24:59,078
Delta City, man.
539
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,648
I figure it's the future
of organized crime.
540
00:25:03,717 --> 00:25:06,787
Good business
is where you find it.
541
00:25:08,322 --> 00:25:10,856
Goin' to the steel yard,
round 'em up.
542
00:25:10,857 --> 00:25:13,092
- All right. Cut the whole street.
- We're movin' out!
543
00:25:13,093 --> 00:25:14,828
Come on, Emil,
get your ass in the truck!
544
00:25:15,095 --> 00:25:17,963
I could tell from the dailies
that the action was working.
545
00:25:17,964 --> 00:25:19,833
You know,
the action was really working.
546
00:25:24,304 --> 00:25:26,205
There was a sequence
in the third act
547
00:25:26,206 --> 00:25:29,575
where there was a car chase
on the way to the steel mill.
548
00:25:29,576 --> 00:25:32,478
And when we were in Dallas,
it was on the schedule.
549
00:25:32,479 --> 00:25:34,681
I looked at that one day,
and thought,
550
00:25:35,115 --> 00:25:36,115
"We don't really need this."
551
00:25:36,116 --> 00:25:37,216
We could just go
from here to here.
552
00:25:37,217 --> 00:25:38,584
And so, I brought it up
in a production meeting,
553
00:25:38,585 --> 00:25:39,652
and they were all like, "Fuck."
554
00:25:39,653 --> 00:25:41,554
And Paul went,
"Yeah, yeah, we don't."
555
00:25:41,555 --> 00:25:42,555
'Cause that was like,
556
00:25:42,556 --> 00:25:44,023
a half a day
or a day of shooting.
557
00:25:44,024 --> 00:25:45,325
And it's not saving money.
558
00:25:45,659 --> 00:25:48,060
It's more like saving
the audience time.
559
00:25:48,061 --> 00:25:50,496
So, you know, I expected them
to be really happy with me
560
00:25:50,497 --> 00:25:51,597
for doing that,
but they weren't.
561
00:25:51,598 --> 00:25:53,700
They just were like,
"Yeah, go away." So...
562
00:25:57,137 --> 00:25:58,971
I remember at the hotel,
563
00:25:58,972 --> 00:26:02,041
going out with the Robo team
with Rob and drinking a lot
564
00:26:02,042 --> 00:26:03,142
with Peter Weller,
565
00:26:03,143 --> 00:26:05,378
and then Peter and him
would get into it.
566
00:26:05,379 --> 00:26:07,880
And they were like
fucking around with each other
567
00:26:07,881 --> 00:26:10,316
all the time, you know?
568
00:26:10,317 --> 00:26:11,784
Rob's a sweet guy.
569
00:26:11,785 --> 00:26:13,519
Maybe... maybe
he doesn't like me.
570
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,355
I don't know. I... I mean...
571
00:26:15,689 --> 00:26:16,822
They got into it like,
572
00:26:16,823 --> 00:26:18,624
"I'm making more money
than you are,"
573
00:26:18,625 --> 00:26:20,794
and so on and so forth.
574
00:26:21,194 --> 00:26:22,895
I called Rob,
and apologized to him.
575
00:26:22,896 --> 00:26:25,798
And I apologized to him again
for any kind of wound
576
00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:28,634
that he might have suffered
from my insolent mouth talking
577
00:26:28,635 --> 00:26:30,715
about whatever the difficulties
of movie-making were.
578
00:26:30,871 --> 00:26:32,438
Because he was nothing more
than inventive,
579
00:26:32,439 --> 00:26:34,240
and creative, and fantastic.
580
00:26:34,241 --> 00:26:36,776
I have to tell you,
I must have been very obnoxious,
581
00:26:36,777 --> 00:26:38,988
'cause at a certain point,
Jon just stopped talking to me.
582
00:26:39,012 --> 00:26:40,413
- And... and it was like...
- No.
583
00:26:40,414 --> 00:26:41,647
You know?
584
00:26:41,648 --> 00:26:43,215
And occasionally,
he would say something,
585
00:26:43,216 --> 00:26:45,418
like he'd come by and see me
doing something,
586
00:26:45,419 --> 00:26:46,452
and he was like,
"Oh, there's the writer
587
00:26:46,453 --> 00:26:47,613
fucking everything up again."
588
00:26:47,821 --> 00:26:50,289
No, I don't wanna go there.
589
00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:54,226
And Jon Davison fired me
off the picture in Dallas.
590
00:26:54,227 --> 00:26:55,461
Right before
we were gonna leave Dallas,
591
00:26:55,462 --> 00:26:56,629
he said, "You're wrapped."
592
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:58,130
"You probably have enough."
593
00:26:58,131 --> 00:26:59,632
And I was like devastated.
594
00:26:59,633 --> 00:27:02,134
I was just devastated
that you would separate me
595
00:27:02,135 --> 00:27:03,135
from this movie.
596
00:27:03,403 --> 00:27:05,905
And Paul Verhoeven
had to go to him, and say...
597
00:27:05,906 --> 00:27:07,773
"No, we have to take
the writer with us
598
00:27:07,774 --> 00:27:08,909
to Pittsburgh."
599
00:27:15,048 --> 00:27:20,419
When RoboCop practices his aim,
the baby jars are the metaphor.
600
00:27:20,420 --> 00:27:23,989
What RoboCop is doing there
is annihilating
601
00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:28,928
the force-fed problem.
And that's how technology
602
00:27:28,929 --> 00:27:32,231
is thinking of him
as their baby.
603
00:27:32,232 --> 00:27:33,233
He's killing it.
604
00:27:34,668 --> 00:27:38,504
And he's annihilating the thing
that technology gave him
605
00:27:38,505 --> 00:27:40,339
to keep him sapling.
606
00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:43,275
My targeting system
is a little messed up.
607
00:27:43,276 --> 00:27:47,346
And he's asking
another human being for help.
608
00:27:47,347 --> 00:27:48,949
He is becoming Murphy.
609
00:27:52,886 --> 00:27:53,886
Can I help you?
610
00:27:54,821 --> 00:27:56,255
Aim for me.
611
00:27:56,256 --> 00:27:57,857
In the abandoned third draft,
612
00:27:57,858 --> 00:28:00,993
there may have been
a romantic idea there.
613
00:28:00,994 --> 00:28:03,128
It sounds like something
Paul would have wanted to do.
614
00:28:03,129 --> 00:28:07,032
I had no idea about any of that
until we all did a Q&A.
615
00:28:07,033 --> 00:28:08,300
And I heard that story.
I thought,
616
00:28:08,301 --> 00:28:10,341
"Oh, that's interesting.
I never heard that before."
617
00:28:10,570 --> 00:28:12,638
In some ways, Paul and other
directors are always trying
618
00:28:12,639 --> 00:28:14,373
to get a kiss in at the end
of a movie.
619
00:28:14,374 --> 00:28:15,875
It's not always necessary.
620
00:28:15,876 --> 00:28:18,043
Yeah. I'm glad it...
It didn't go that way.
621
00:28:18,044 --> 00:28:20,146
That would have been
kind of strange.
622
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,548
More to the left.
623
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:23,582
Here.
624
00:28:23,583 --> 00:28:24,817
One of the things that's cool
625
00:28:24,818 --> 00:28:26,298
about the relationship
between them is
626
00:28:26,353 --> 00:28:28,989
it's a non-romantic,
a non-sexist,
627
00:28:29,456 --> 00:28:30,456
in a way, relationship.
628
00:28:30,757 --> 00:28:33,125
And I think that Paul
really embraced that as well.
629
00:28:33,126 --> 00:28:34,727
I figure that's dead-on.
630
00:28:34,728 --> 00:28:35,728
Thank you.
631
00:28:38,498 --> 00:28:39,732
The scene was written
632
00:28:39,733 --> 00:28:43,235
in the original story
for a car cemetery.
633
00:28:43,236 --> 00:28:45,671
You see all these cars
on top of each other.
634
00:28:45,672 --> 00:28:48,074
That was written
for that, basically.
635
00:28:48,475 --> 00:28:50,309
But then for some way,
we couldn't find it.
636
00:28:50,310 --> 00:28:52,846
And then somebody was talking
about a steel factory.
637
00:28:56,416 --> 00:28:58,217
When we were shooting
Joe's death scene...
638
00:28:58,218 --> 00:28:59,552
Dammit!
639
00:28:59,553 --> 00:29:02,221
First of all,
falling with a 45-pound gun,
640
00:29:02,222 --> 00:29:04,089
you really
gotta position yourself,
641
00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:05,891
so you don't break a finger
or something.
642
00:29:05,892 --> 00:29:06,892
Looking for me?
643
00:29:10,030 --> 00:29:11,564
Man, when that shit blew up,
644
00:29:11,565 --> 00:29:15,768
I had bruises on my chest
like for a month.
645
00:29:15,769 --> 00:29:19,605
They hit so hard, I was like,
"I'm okay. It's okay."
646
00:29:19,606 --> 00:29:22,207
"I'm... I'm all right."
647
00:29:22,208 --> 00:29:24,209
Boy, I had to try to man up
behind that,
648
00:29:24,210 --> 00:29:25,711
but you know, tears
were kinda like
649
00:29:25,712 --> 00:29:27,546
coming out the side of my eye.
650
00:29:27,547 --> 00:29:29,348
I was so glad
I was laying on the ground,
651
00:29:29,349 --> 00:29:32,285
nobody could see me.
That shit hurt.
652
00:29:35,555 --> 00:29:38,924
The process of making a movie
makes everybody an asshole.
653
00:29:38,925 --> 00:29:43,929
"Why is my Winnebago
not in front of the studio?
654
00:29:43,930 --> 00:29:45,297
I have to walk!"
655
00:29:45,298 --> 00:29:48,934
You know, that was me.
I did that. I became that guy.
656
00:29:48,935 --> 00:29:50,803
And hopefully,
I'm not that guy now,
657
00:29:50,804 --> 00:29:53,739
but I was definitely that guy
to some people.
658
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:55,774
And I'm sure
a couple of people thought
659
00:29:55,775 --> 00:30:01,080
that I was, you know, uh,
not necessarily a nice guy.
660
00:30:01,081 --> 00:30:04,017
I can think of two people,
and I probably wasn't.
661
00:30:05,418 --> 00:30:06,819
When we were in Monessen,
Pennsylvania,
662
00:30:06,820 --> 00:30:08,454
shooting the steel mill,
663
00:30:08,455 --> 00:30:10,923
Peter's upstairs.
We were up two or three floors.
664
00:30:10,924 --> 00:30:12,692
You had to go upstairs
to get to him.
665
00:30:13,093 --> 00:30:14,827
We had an explosion behind him.
666
00:30:14,828 --> 00:30:17,297
We'd make the explosion hot.
We were ready to go.
667
00:30:18,465 --> 00:30:21,266
I went upstairs,
and I was carrying,
668
00:30:21,267 --> 00:30:24,870
I don't know, about eight Oreos
you know, in a stack.
669
00:30:24,871 --> 00:30:27,840
I'd hand him his weapon.
I say, "Peter, safety's off."
670
00:30:27,841 --> 00:30:29,775
And he wouldn't take the pistol.
671
00:30:29,776 --> 00:30:32,778
And he says,
"Robo wants an Oreo."
672
00:30:32,779 --> 00:30:34,113
And I looked at him, and I go,
673
00:30:34,114 --> 00:30:36,016
"No.
It's just you and I, Peter.
674
00:30:36,483 --> 00:30:38,117
Robo doesn't get an Oreo.
675
00:30:38,118 --> 00:30:41,187
If Peter wants an Oreo,
Peter can have an Oreo."
676
00:30:41,488 --> 00:30:44,690
And he clip-clops in the suit
over to the edge of the railing,
677
00:30:44,691 --> 00:30:48,260
and Peter starts bellowing,
"Robo wants an Oreo."
678
00:30:48,261 --> 00:30:50,429
And when the steel mill
just echoes,
679
00:30:50,430 --> 00:30:53,533
"Randy has Oreos"
or "Robo wants an Oreo."
680
00:30:53,867 --> 00:30:55,367
And Steve Lim
over the radio goes,
681
00:30:55,368 --> 00:30:56,836
Uh, Randy, do you have Oreos?
682
00:30:57,037 --> 00:31:00,873
So, I stuffed that whole stack
in my mouth,
683
00:31:00,874 --> 00:31:03,275
and then crunched them,
and let 'em fall down
684
00:31:03,276 --> 00:31:04,756
three stories
onto everybody below me.
685
00:31:04,978 --> 00:31:10,517
And I, "Not anymore."
And Robo got upset.
686
00:31:10,750 --> 00:31:12,918
I haven't got a damn clue
687
00:31:12,919 --> 00:31:17,289
about Randy Moore
and his fuckin' Oreos.
688
00:31:17,290 --> 00:31:19,459
Randy Moore's a friend,
but half the time,
689
00:31:19,726 --> 00:31:21,526
I don't know what the hell
he's talking about.
690
00:31:22,295 --> 00:31:25,898
So, he's got all these stories
from RoboCop.
691
00:31:25,899 --> 00:31:27,099
I don't remember 'em.
692
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:28,400
Steve Lim's going,
693
00:31:28,401 --> 00:31:30,904
"Can we get this shot?
And then Robo can have an Oreo."
694
00:31:31,404 --> 00:31:34,707
And Peter said, "No."
So, they had to cut.
695
00:31:34,708 --> 00:31:36,308
They were rolling.
They were ready to go.
696
00:31:36,576 --> 00:31:38,244
Now, we're hot on the explosive.
697
00:31:38,545 --> 00:31:40,913
They had to send a PA
up the stairs.
698
00:31:40,914 --> 00:31:42,514
They feed him an Oreo.
699
00:31:42,515 --> 00:31:44,550
And now, he's got Oreo
in his teeth.
700
00:31:44,551 --> 00:31:48,020
So, then the PA has to pick
the Oreos out of his teeth.
701
00:31:48,021 --> 00:31:49,555
And then he says,
"Okay, I'm ready,"
702
00:31:49,556 --> 00:31:50,590
and then we shot it.
703
00:31:53,593 --> 00:31:55,494
So, after that,
Peter would always say,
704
00:31:55,495 --> 00:31:57,229
"Robo wants an Oreo."
705
00:31:57,230 --> 00:31:59,364
So, I had a gentleman
that worked with me.
706
00:31:59,365 --> 00:32:01,200
And his official title
should have been
707
00:32:01,201 --> 00:32:03,535
The Peter Feeder,
because that's what the crew
708
00:32:03,536 --> 00:32:04,938
called him,
as "The Peter Feeder",
709
00:32:05,205 --> 00:32:08,607
because for some reason,
weapons had to feed Peter Oreos.
710
00:32:08,608 --> 00:32:12,578
Randy, love you madly.
711
00:32:12,579 --> 00:32:16,449
I don't believe one fucking word
out of your mouth, bro.
712
00:32:24,357 --> 00:32:25,691
I thought Ed and Mike's script
713
00:32:25,692 --> 00:32:27,926
was really good
and really smart.
714
00:32:27,927 --> 00:32:30,629
And I thought the film improved
on the script,
715
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:32,398
which I was really happy about.
716
00:32:34,134 --> 00:32:35,400
There in that scene,
it was one of those, you know,
717
00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:36,770
just survival.
718
00:32:37,837 --> 00:32:39,104
Well, he doesn't really run,
719
00:32:39,105 --> 00:32:40,640
but he gets out of the way
very fast.
720
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:41,808
I mean,
it was one of those things
721
00:32:41,809 --> 00:32:44,243
that you can only do
722
00:32:44,244 --> 00:32:45,779
what the suit
would allow you to do.
723
00:32:46,112 --> 00:32:48,715
Okay! Now, I've got ya!
724
00:32:50,283 --> 00:32:52,484
You're standing there,
and as he's coming at you,
725
00:32:52,485 --> 00:32:53,852
you just have to get out
of the way
726
00:32:53,853 --> 00:32:55,622
at the very last moment.
727
00:32:57,157 --> 00:32:59,458
And one of those things
is you just got to time it
728
00:32:59,459 --> 00:33:00,426
to where you go, "Okay.
729
00:33:00,427 --> 00:33:01,747
How fast can I move
in this suit?"
730
00:33:03,930 --> 00:33:06,832
Everything was very meticulous.
Peter would correct me,
731
00:33:06,833 --> 00:33:09,302
and he goes, "Okay, do this,
'cause this is what I would do."
732
00:33:11,037 --> 00:33:13,972
- I like the melting man gag.
- I think that's a lot of fun.
733
00:33:13,973 --> 00:33:15,307
You go in this tank,
and you wash out,
734
00:33:15,308 --> 00:33:16,608
you become a monster.
735
00:33:16,609 --> 00:33:18,649
Those are the kind of things
that I think are funny.
736
00:33:19,846 --> 00:33:21,390
I remember Rob coming
into the room, and saying,
737
00:33:21,414 --> 00:33:23,649
"Oh shit, we've got to create
this makeup for this character."
738
00:33:23,650 --> 00:33:26,185
He gets thrown into a vat
of toxic radioactive waste,
739
00:33:26,186 --> 00:33:27,287
and he starts to melt.
740
00:33:33,159 --> 00:33:35,294
The toxic waste section
was a stunt guy
741
00:33:35,295 --> 00:33:37,597
that did the actual roll out
of the stuff.
742
00:33:41,601 --> 00:33:44,237
But then getting up,
obviously, was me.
743
00:33:51,177 --> 00:33:52,845
We have pictures of the actor.
744
00:33:52,846 --> 00:33:54,980
I did some tracings of him,
and then Rob
745
00:33:54,981 --> 00:33:57,482
brought me a picture of a guy
who's got stung
746
00:33:57,483 --> 00:34:01,320
by a wasp on his eye,
and his eye was swollen up huge.
747
00:34:01,321 --> 00:34:02,688
So, I incorporated that
into the design.
748
00:34:02,689 --> 00:34:03,866
I think he just said,
"Go for it."
749
00:34:03,890 --> 00:34:05,624
He said, "Imagine
that the guy's skin
750
00:34:05,625 --> 00:34:07,192
is made of ice cream
and it's starting to melt
751
00:34:07,193 --> 00:34:08,194
off of his body."
752
00:34:11,331 --> 00:34:12,731
We shot that over two days.
753
00:34:12,732 --> 00:34:15,535
The first day, it was six
and a half hours of makeup
754
00:34:15,835 --> 00:34:16,803
before we started shooting,
755
00:34:16,804 --> 00:34:20,239
where Rob Bottin's team,
great, great guys,
756
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:24,409
literally were like gluing
this torso prosthesis on me
757
00:34:24,410 --> 00:34:26,411
every square inch.
758
00:34:26,412 --> 00:34:28,013
I think we had two different
stages on the head.
759
00:34:28,014 --> 00:34:30,182
I think the first stage
was mainly this side,
760
00:34:30,183 --> 00:34:34,186
and we used a fair amount
of his face over here.
761
00:34:34,187 --> 00:34:36,688
Also, added
this little road rash.
762
00:34:36,689 --> 00:34:39,258
That was a continuity thing
from when he fell off
763
00:34:39,259 --> 00:34:40,826
the motorcycle
at the gas station.
764
00:34:40,827 --> 00:34:42,561
You're dead. We killed you!
765
00:34:42,562 --> 00:34:43,896
And then when he comes
766
00:34:43,897 --> 00:34:46,265
staggering out a little later
and gets hit by the car,
767
00:34:46,266 --> 00:34:49,302
then we had a facial piece
on the other side as well.
768
00:34:56,276 --> 00:34:58,677
We were eating,
sleeping RoboCop, you know?
769
00:34:58,678 --> 00:35:01,113
We were in the shop
working at night,
770
00:35:01,114 --> 00:35:02,414
repairing stuff,
771
00:35:02,415 --> 00:35:04,416
and then shooting it
during the day.
772
00:35:04,417 --> 00:35:06,085
It was nonstop.
773
00:35:10,690 --> 00:35:13,859
I think we showed up to work
at 3:00 in the morning
774
00:35:13,860 --> 00:35:16,729
and didn't leave until 2:00
at night.
775
00:35:17,096 --> 00:35:19,131
So, it was a long, long day.
776
00:35:19,132 --> 00:35:20,565
We shot it,
777
00:35:20,566 --> 00:35:22,401
and it was about two
or three hours to take it off.
778
00:35:22,402 --> 00:35:24,303
The next day, they got it down
to, as I recall,
779
00:35:24,304 --> 00:35:25,544
about three hours to put it on.
780
00:35:34,013 --> 00:35:35,247
Hands were part of it,
781
00:35:35,248 --> 00:35:36,748
and he wanted to see
finger bones sticking out.
782
00:35:36,749 --> 00:35:38,784
And I said, "Well, are you gonna
have a melting effect
783
00:35:38,785 --> 00:35:40,285
or is this gonna be all done
in rubber?"
784
00:35:40,286 --> 00:35:41,920
"No, no, no. We're just
gonna do it all out of rubber."
785
00:35:41,921 --> 00:35:43,789
"Okay. So, you want like,
melting skin like hanging down
786
00:35:43,790 --> 00:35:45,023
like it's dripping?"
"Yeah, yeah, yeah.
787
00:35:45,024 --> 00:35:46,091
"It'll just... it'll work.
788
00:35:46,092 --> 00:35:47,292
We'll just wave the ends
of the fingers,
789
00:35:47,293 --> 00:35:49,127
and they'll just kind of dangle,
and it'll work."
790
00:35:49,128 --> 00:35:50,462
I tried to take
791
00:35:50,463 --> 00:35:52,164
physical positions
that seemed to reflect
792
00:35:52,165 --> 00:35:53,332
what he had designed.
793
00:35:53,333 --> 00:35:54,967
I looked in the mirror
once I had the thing on.
794
00:35:54,968 --> 00:35:57,003
Help me.
795
00:35:58,371 --> 00:35:59,372
The vocalizations I did
796
00:35:59,806 --> 00:36:02,141
and all that kind of stuff
were just my playing with things
797
00:36:02,375 --> 00:36:05,778
based on what Paul asked for
and what Rob had built.
798
00:36:09,849 --> 00:36:11,450
My favorite line of the movie,
799
00:36:11,451 --> 00:36:13,585
Leon comes running
around the corner,
800
00:36:13,586 --> 00:36:15,020
Paul comes up to him,
801
00:36:15,021 --> 00:36:17,756
and his fingers are melting,
and his face is melting.
802
00:36:17,757 --> 00:36:23,962
And Leon does not want him
to melt on him.
803
00:36:23,963 --> 00:36:27,500
So, he says,
"Don't touch me, man!"
804
00:36:27,834 --> 00:36:29,769
Don't touch me, man!
805
00:36:31,804 --> 00:36:33,005
It's one of those things
806
00:36:33,006 --> 00:36:36,341
I'm glad that I did,
but I wouldn't particularly
807
00:36:36,342 --> 00:36:37,510
wanna do it again.
808
00:36:40,179 --> 00:36:43,081
There's one shot
with the wheel cap coming loose.
809
00:36:43,082 --> 00:36:44,683
I mean, this was not planned
that way.
810
00:36:44,684 --> 00:36:45,684
It just happened.
811
00:36:45,852 --> 00:36:48,721
I was in the camera,
and I heard it like, whee,
812
00:36:49,155 --> 00:36:50,856
went over my head.
813
00:36:50,857 --> 00:36:54,026
Maybe it could have ended
with another credit
814
00:36:54,027 --> 00:36:56,628
at the end of the film
for two DPs,
815
00:36:56,629 --> 00:36:59,799
the one before he died
and the other one who took over.
816
00:37:02,869 --> 00:37:04,971
I also helped set up
the big splat.
817
00:37:08,374 --> 00:37:10,675
I helped dress the dummy
to look like Emil,
818
00:37:10,676 --> 00:37:12,277
and took
all the old prosthetics,
819
00:37:12,278 --> 00:37:14,646
put it on there,
and then helped load the thing
820
00:37:14,647 --> 00:37:17,182
with all the
methylcellulose slime.
821
00:37:17,183 --> 00:37:18,717
I remember just screaming,
you know?
822
00:37:18,718 --> 00:37:21,220
I just... it was so funny,
just this big splat.
823
00:37:23,256 --> 00:37:25,224
Shit!
824
00:37:25,591 --> 00:37:29,595
It was extremely funny,
because he's blown to pieces.
825
00:37:33,099 --> 00:37:34,099
Oh, God.
826
00:37:36,402 --> 00:37:38,537
Verhoeven has a great
sense of humor.
827
00:37:38,538 --> 00:37:41,440
His use of humor where people
wouldn't even see humor.
828
00:37:41,441 --> 00:37:42,761
It's like, "Oh, this is fine.
Oh."
829
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,782
It's really nice to have been
a part of something that uh,
830
00:37:50,783 --> 00:37:53,085
seems to have made a mark,
you know?
831
00:37:53,086 --> 00:37:54,854
You wanna live forever?
832
00:38:04,030 --> 00:38:07,065
There's no guarantees
in this business about anything,
833
00:38:07,066 --> 00:38:08,634
however good you think it is.
834
00:38:10,169 --> 00:38:11,903
Things got a little bit
835
00:38:11,904 --> 00:38:15,507
contested between crew
and... you know, and Paul.
836
00:38:15,508 --> 00:38:17,142
So, the crew had a countdown.
837
00:38:17,143 --> 00:38:19,744
That said, you know,
"20 more days with this,
838
00:38:19,745 --> 00:38:25,118
and 15 more days of this,
10 more days."
839
00:38:25,318 --> 00:38:27,986
Verhoeven, I felt,
was a little on the tough side.
840
00:38:27,987 --> 00:38:34,426
He had an attitude of, you know,
maybe very militaristic,
841
00:38:34,427 --> 00:38:35,461
you might say.
842
00:38:35,661 --> 00:38:36,761
We were miserable, I guess,
843
00:38:36,762 --> 00:38:38,130
to be around,
and all we wanted to do
844
00:38:38,131 --> 00:38:39,431
was make this movie
all the time.
845
00:38:39,432 --> 00:38:41,366
So, by the end,
we were the only people
846
00:38:41,367 --> 00:38:43,468
who would talk to each other.
I mean, no one would talk to us.
847
00:38:43,469 --> 00:38:44,736
The producer
wouldn't talk to us.
848
00:38:44,737 --> 00:38:45,804
The whole crew hated us.
849
00:38:45,805 --> 00:38:48,173
And we were always alone
in the restaurant.
850
00:38:48,174 --> 00:38:50,810
And everybody was snarling at us
or we were snarling at them.
851
00:38:51,077 --> 00:38:52,511
Everybody was suffering,
and it was hard.
852
00:38:52,512 --> 00:38:53,678
I mean, it was a hard shoot.
853
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,114
But at the same time,
854
00:38:56,115 --> 00:38:57,516
every day, you loved
being there, 'cause you knew
855
00:38:57,517 --> 00:38:59,384
you were making a great film.
856
00:38:59,385 --> 00:39:00,752
That famous scene
857
00:39:00,753 --> 00:39:03,555
and the chase between the cars
going through the area
858
00:39:03,556 --> 00:39:06,625
and all of that,
it's a rough look, okay?
859
00:39:06,626 --> 00:39:08,786
If you wanna put it that way,
that's what it had to be,
860
00:39:09,128 --> 00:39:12,131
because of the apocalypse
of the period, you might say.
861
00:39:12,398 --> 00:39:13,398
At the end of the shoot,
862
00:39:13,399 --> 00:39:15,400
we ended up in Monessen,
Pennsylvania.
863
00:39:15,401 --> 00:39:17,135
I guess it was mid-November.
864
00:39:17,136 --> 00:39:19,704
So, East Coast,
it was really cold.
865
00:39:19,705 --> 00:39:21,207
I'd never been squibbed before.
866
00:39:21,507 --> 00:39:25,044
That is quite an experience
that I would not wish on anyone.
867
00:39:27,213 --> 00:39:28,548
In a strange way,
868
00:39:29,048 --> 00:39:31,160
feeling those little thumps
and bumps around your body
869
00:39:31,184 --> 00:39:33,152
help you
with what it is you have to do.
870
00:39:33,386 --> 00:39:36,522
Worse than the squibs?
The water.
871
00:39:37,023 --> 00:39:40,225
The absolutely disgusting,
rusty water
872
00:39:40,226 --> 00:39:42,160
that I had to get into
that was freezing cold.
873
00:39:42,161 --> 00:39:44,497
So, I'll take the squibs
any day.
874
00:39:46,666 --> 00:39:49,901
For me, it had that
very specific atmosphere,
875
00:39:49,902 --> 00:39:52,671
you know, because of these
enormous amounts of steel
876
00:39:52,672 --> 00:39:53,672
that were there.
877
00:39:53,673 --> 00:39:55,840
There was these enormous walls.
878
00:39:55,841 --> 00:39:58,877
It really felt like Troy
or Jerusalem, you know?
879
00:39:58,878 --> 00:40:00,245
Ed and I talked a lot
880
00:40:00,246 --> 00:40:04,450
about the man in the iron mask,
uh, a quest for identity.
881
00:40:04,917 --> 00:40:08,588
But the Christ metaphor,
Paul pretty much brought.
882
00:40:09,989 --> 00:40:12,525
- Bye-bye, baby.
- Clarence!
883
00:40:16,195 --> 00:40:17,562
I had built something
884
00:40:17,563 --> 00:40:19,898
under the water, basically,
so he could walk there
885
00:40:19,899 --> 00:40:22,535
because I wanted him to be Jesus
walking over the water.
886
00:40:23,769 --> 00:40:25,837
Okay. I give up.
887
00:40:25,838 --> 00:40:26,838
And now, he says...
888
00:40:27,173 --> 00:40:28,873
I'm not arresting you anymore.
889
00:40:28,874 --> 00:40:30,642
"I'm not going to
arrest you anymore.
890
00:40:30,643 --> 00:40:32,277
I'm going to kill you."
891
00:40:32,278 --> 00:40:34,080
And that's, for me,
the American Jesus.
892
00:40:37,183 --> 00:40:38,618
I had to run out on that catwalk
893
00:40:38,851 --> 00:40:41,486
on the top
to get to the crane booth,
894
00:40:41,487 --> 00:40:44,089
so that I could drop the steel
down on RoboCop.
895
00:40:44,090 --> 00:40:46,658
And I saw how high up it was,
and it was kind of scary,
896
00:40:46,659 --> 00:40:48,326
to tell you the truth.
897
00:40:48,327 --> 00:40:49,894
RoboCop comes over the water,
898
00:40:49,895 --> 00:40:51,764
and then the other guy
pulls the handle,
899
00:40:52,031 --> 00:40:54,100
and then all these beams fall
on RoboCop.
900
00:40:56,969 --> 00:40:58,103
They had a dummy there
901
00:40:58,104 --> 00:41:00,672
that it actually... all the big,
heavy beams
902
00:41:00,673 --> 00:41:02,041
actually fell right on him.
903
00:41:03,776 --> 00:41:05,744
Die, you bastard!
904
00:41:05,745 --> 00:41:06,679
Wow.
905
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,680
I got him, Clarence!
906
00:41:07,681 --> 00:41:08,781
I got him!
907
00:41:12,918 --> 00:41:14,119
That black costume
908
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:17,255
that I had on,
they also put on the dummy.
909
00:41:17,256 --> 00:41:20,158
They gave me that costume
after it was blown up.
910
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:21,426
It's in tatters.
911
00:41:21,427 --> 00:41:24,829
It was blown all to hell,
but um, I still have it.
912
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:26,899
I always have it.
And all I have to do is find it.
913
00:41:28,467 --> 00:41:29,601
And then whenever
914
00:41:29,602 --> 00:41:31,303
he's all entangled,
and the beams
915
00:41:31,304 --> 00:41:33,538
were all fake ones,
but that was Peter.
916
00:41:33,539 --> 00:41:34,839
And I can't get out of it.
917
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,375
And then Kurtwood
in a desperation,
918
00:41:37,376 --> 00:41:39,512
comes over
and stabs me with that spike.
919
00:41:45,351 --> 00:41:48,186
Sometimes, the violence
was very, very direct and...
920
00:41:48,187 --> 00:41:49,187
And... and real.
921
00:41:55,494 --> 00:41:56,462
There was just a discussion
922
00:41:56,463 --> 00:41:58,496
with Paul
that I should take this
923
00:41:58,497 --> 00:42:00,799
as if there is, you know,
a nerve center
924
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,268
somewhere responding to it.
925
00:42:03,269 --> 00:42:05,203
So, the body's response
is all I'm doing
926
00:42:05,204 --> 00:42:09,041
is like in the agony
of the robotics.
927
00:42:11,711 --> 00:42:13,044
When he stabbed in the neck,
928
00:42:13,045 --> 00:42:17,650
that was what I called
the Paul Verhoeven "take that".
929
00:42:17,983 --> 00:42:19,050
For whatever reason,
930
00:42:19,051 --> 00:42:21,353
as you would work it
and just kind of handle it,
931
00:42:21,354 --> 00:42:23,655
the mechanism would start
getting a little sloppy.
932
00:42:23,656 --> 00:42:26,891
And it would like,
just go off by itself sometimes.
933
00:42:26,892 --> 00:42:28,827
So, Paul's like,
"Let me see the... the hand",
934
00:42:28,828 --> 00:42:30,295
'cause he's gonna set up
the shot.
935
00:42:30,296 --> 00:42:32,964
And they like pass the hand
over to him,
936
00:42:32,965 --> 00:42:36,368
and just the motion triggers it.
937
00:42:36,369 --> 00:42:38,136
The spike comes out,
and it's just like,
938
00:42:38,137 --> 00:42:39,838
probably like,
that close to his eye.
939
00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:41,339
And he just like
looks over at me,
940
00:42:41,340 --> 00:42:43,100
and I'm like,
"Oh, I didn't do it," you know?
941
00:42:43,142 --> 00:42:44,909
And as he gets close...
942
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:47,213
Sayonara, RoboCop!
943
00:42:48,848 --> 00:42:50,382
The cop takes over.
944
00:42:50,383 --> 00:42:54,085
And then it's like the cop
takes vengeance.
945
00:42:54,086 --> 00:42:55,921
Boom.
946
00:42:58,557 --> 00:43:00,625
Paul is just like,
"Give me this cup."
947
00:43:00,626 --> 00:43:02,261
And then he fills it
with fake blood,
948
00:43:02,728 --> 00:43:06,432
and the camera's on... on Peter,
and it goes like splat.
949
00:43:07,867 --> 00:43:10,269
It was not subtle,
but hey, it worked.
950
00:43:12,605 --> 00:43:15,941
And action!
951
00:43:18,644 --> 00:43:21,714
I had no doubt that that movie
was gonna be a hit.
952
00:43:23,282 --> 00:43:27,018
First of all, it was much more
in the comic book vein
953
00:43:27,019 --> 00:43:28,621
than we had seen before.
954
00:43:30,623 --> 00:43:33,825
And there's so much more to it
in terms of what it had to say
955
00:43:33,826 --> 00:43:35,927
about machines and men.
956
00:43:35,928 --> 00:43:37,129
Lewis!
957
00:43:38,497 --> 00:43:41,433
Murphy, I'm a mess.
958
00:43:41,434 --> 00:43:42,667
Nancy reminded me.
959
00:43:42,668 --> 00:43:44,235
She said, "Don't you remember?"
960
00:43:44,236 --> 00:43:46,905
At the end of it, you know,
when I say,
961
00:43:46,906 --> 00:43:48,441
"They'll fix you.
They fix everything."
962
00:43:48,808 --> 00:43:51,376
They'll fix you.
963
00:43:51,377 --> 00:43:53,412
They fix everything.
964
00:43:53,746 --> 00:43:55,780
That's my line.
965
00:43:55,781 --> 00:43:58,583
There are notes
that I gave to Jon Davison.
966
00:43:58,584 --> 00:43:59,851
"Can we do this?
Can we change that?
967
00:43:59,852 --> 00:44:01,486
Can we..." whatever.
968
00:44:01,487 --> 00:44:05,423
- Murphy says, "They'll fix you.
- They fix everything."
969
00:44:05,424 --> 00:44:07,392
And I was like, "Wow."
970
00:44:07,393 --> 00:44:10,161
And I was just floored.
971
00:44:10,162 --> 00:44:11,529
I was just knocked out
972
00:44:11,530 --> 00:44:13,532
by how good
I thought the film was.
973
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:26,945
So, at the end, when RoboCop
approaches the building,
974
00:44:26,946 --> 00:44:29,080
ED-209 is guarding
the building there.
975
00:44:29,081 --> 00:44:31,349
His upper torso swivels over.
976
00:44:31,350 --> 00:44:32,550
So, this is one of the things
we kind of built
977
00:44:32,551 --> 00:44:34,553
the capacity for
into the full-scale prop.
978
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:36,855
He had a hinging point.
979
00:44:36,856 --> 00:44:38,990
That was one of our big
live-action movements
980
00:44:38,991 --> 00:44:40,159
for ED-209.
981
00:44:48,634 --> 00:44:51,135
When RoboCop destroys ED-209,
982
00:44:51,136 --> 00:44:53,505
the day before, they had done
the actual shooting
983
00:44:53,506 --> 00:44:55,840
of Peter Weller
with the actual cannon.
984
00:44:55,841 --> 00:44:56,842
Boom!
985
00:44:59,678 --> 00:45:00,646
And the blanks
986
00:45:00,647 --> 00:45:02,680
were strong enough
that they rattled
987
00:45:02,681 --> 00:45:04,482
all of the windows
in the entire building,
988
00:45:04,483 --> 00:45:06,218
you know, almost
to the point of shattering.
989
00:45:06,685 --> 00:45:09,654
Yikes. Is that fun, man.
990
00:45:09,655 --> 00:45:11,589
This was, of course,
quite a big deal.
991
00:45:11,590 --> 00:45:12,750
And a lot of police came out.
992
00:45:13,158 --> 00:45:15,894
And they tried to arrest
Paul Verhoeven.
993
00:45:15,895 --> 00:45:16,895
How are you doing?
994
00:45:17,062 --> 00:45:18,030
And Paul Verhoeven's like,
995
00:45:18,030 --> 00:45:18,998
"I don't have a driver's
license.
996
00:45:18,998 --> 00:45:19,998
How do we arrest you?"
997
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:22,500
So, the next day,
998
00:45:22,501 --> 00:45:23,812
when it came time
to blow the robot up,
999
00:45:23,836 --> 00:45:26,305
which should have been
a big destruction scene,
1000
00:45:26,505 --> 00:45:28,473
I think
everybody was very gun shy.
1001
00:45:28,474 --> 00:45:31,142
So, the charge ended up
being a lot smaller
1002
00:45:31,143 --> 00:45:32,463
than they might
have wanted to be.
1003
00:45:36,248 --> 00:45:38,217
So, yeah. We went back in,
and optically added
1004
00:45:38,551 --> 00:45:40,785
explosion elements to that
to sort of get the actual
1005
00:45:40,786 --> 00:45:43,022
full, you know,
extent of destruction.
1006
00:45:45,391 --> 00:45:47,325
Once the thing was blown up,
you cut back to it.
1007
00:45:47,326 --> 00:45:49,895
That then was the actual
stop-motion puppet.
1008
00:45:51,964 --> 00:45:53,765
It had a lot of moving parts
to it.
1009
00:45:53,766 --> 00:45:56,167
I was doing an in-camera
composite with smoke
1010
00:45:56,168 --> 00:45:57,201
and all sorts of things
1011
00:45:57,202 --> 00:45:58,482
that had to go
at a certain time.
1012
00:45:58,604 --> 00:45:59,971
They had to very trickily,
1013
00:45:59,972 --> 00:46:02,707
sort of, animate
in the smoke elements.
1014
00:46:02,708 --> 00:46:04,108
A lot of these things
are done in-camera.
1015
00:46:04,109 --> 00:46:06,277
So, you're basically
sort of animating elements
1016
00:46:06,278 --> 00:46:07,913
to follow a moving object.
1017
00:46:09,782 --> 00:46:11,449
I was about halfway
through the shot,
1018
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:15,053
and Jon called me up,
and said, "Hey, you know what?
1019
00:46:15,054 --> 00:46:17,121
Can you do something funny
at the end of the shot?
1020
00:46:17,122 --> 00:46:18,923
'Cause the movie's too serious."
1021
00:46:18,924 --> 00:46:20,292
So I'm like, "Yeah, okay."
1022
00:46:20,726 --> 00:46:22,460
Good.
1023
00:46:22,461 --> 00:46:24,861
And so, the thing with the foot
was a very last-minute thing.
1024
00:46:25,197 --> 00:46:26,965
You know, at that point,
I just took it farther.
1025
00:46:26,966 --> 00:46:28,968
I had him, you know,
walk in as like a drunk thing
1026
00:46:29,234 --> 00:46:31,970
and then have like,
a little whirligig spinning.
1027
00:46:31,971 --> 00:46:33,571
And then he falls over,
1028
00:46:33,572 --> 00:46:35,274
and does the thing
with his foot.
1029
00:46:37,643 --> 00:46:43,147
You know, we were budgeted
9,995, and we were at about 13.
1030
00:46:43,148 --> 00:46:46,284
So, we were over
the 10 percent contingency.
1031
00:46:46,285 --> 00:46:49,454
And the completion bond company
had every right
1032
00:46:49,455 --> 00:46:52,124
to take the picture over
and just finish it themselves.
1033
00:46:52,558 --> 00:46:54,125
And they didn't have to do
the effects.
1034
00:46:54,126 --> 00:46:55,994
They didn't have to put
sound effects in.
1035
00:46:55,995 --> 00:46:57,462
They could take it over.
1036
00:46:57,463 --> 00:46:59,697
And Mike Medavoy
wouldn't let 'em do it.
1037
00:46:59,698 --> 00:47:03,701
He had the faith in the picture
to tell the completion bond,
1038
00:47:03,702 --> 00:47:05,970
"No, you're not taking it over.
1039
00:47:05,971 --> 00:47:10,643
And we'll pick up the overages,"
and uh, it saved the movie.
1040
00:47:14,446 --> 00:47:17,248
John P. made a lot of great
1041
00:47:17,249 --> 00:47:20,284
synth sweeteners
and sounds to accent things.
1042
00:47:20,285 --> 00:47:21,819
And one of the best ones
that I love
1043
00:47:21,820 --> 00:47:23,565
is when the doors swing open
in the boardroom
1044
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:24,722
at the end of the film.
1045
00:47:24,723 --> 00:47:27,792
And there's that great,
cheesy, synthy whomp
1046
00:47:27,793 --> 00:47:29,962
that has no business
being there whatsoever.
1047
00:47:33,032 --> 00:47:34,032
But it works.
1048
00:47:36,201 --> 00:47:38,670
They're shooting
the boardroom stuff at the end.
1049
00:47:38,671 --> 00:47:41,005
So, we get him all made up
with the makeup.
1050
00:47:41,006 --> 00:47:42,807
And we had him ready,
and they weren't getting to it.
1051
00:47:42,808 --> 00:47:45,443
And we kept sending word up
like, you know,
1052
00:47:45,444 --> 00:47:46,844
"He's been in the makeup
for a couple hours.
1053
00:47:46,845 --> 00:47:49,814
It's gonna start breaking down.
You know, what's going on?"
1054
00:47:49,815 --> 00:47:51,215
Paul was shooting
1055
00:47:51,216 --> 00:47:55,653
like all the wide shots
and everything but the makeup.
1056
00:47:55,654 --> 00:47:57,055
Paul could only shoot it
for five hours,
1057
00:47:57,056 --> 00:47:58,736
'cause the face
would essentially collapse.
1058
00:47:58,891 --> 00:48:01,459
And the edges
were peeling off everywhere.
1059
00:48:01,460 --> 00:48:03,861
And Stephan Dupuis had begged.
1060
00:48:03,862 --> 00:48:06,330
Like,
"Shoot the close-ups first."
1061
00:48:06,331 --> 00:48:08,033
And he didn't.
1062
00:48:08,233 --> 00:48:09,667
Instead, he decided
1063
00:48:09,668 --> 00:48:11,903
it was more important
to shoot all those action shots.
1064
00:48:11,904 --> 00:48:14,072
And by the time it came
to shooting the close-ups,
1065
00:48:14,073 --> 00:48:16,108
the makeup was not acceptable.
1066
00:48:16,508 --> 00:48:18,076
And of course,
the makeup was fragile.
1067
00:48:18,077 --> 00:48:20,478
I mean, it was all in one piece.
1068
00:48:20,479 --> 00:48:23,881
It was not easy to apply,
'cause you couldn't fuck up.
1069
00:48:23,882 --> 00:48:25,049
And they just kept
1070
00:48:25,050 --> 00:48:26,517
putting us off
and putting us off.
1071
00:48:26,518 --> 00:48:28,553
And at some point,
Stephan just went upstairs
1072
00:48:28,554 --> 00:48:30,022
'cause craft service
was up there.
1073
00:48:30,222 --> 00:48:31,956
So, he's up there like getting
some coffee or something.
1074
00:48:31,957 --> 00:48:33,517
And Paul sees him,
and Paul's just like,
1075
00:48:33,792 --> 00:48:35,026
"I don't know
when we're gonna get to it!"
1076
00:48:35,027 --> 00:48:36,728
You know, just kinda like,
screaming at him.
1077
00:48:36,729 --> 00:48:39,030
And Stephan's just like, "Oh."
And he goes back downstairs.
1078
00:48:39,031 --> 00:48:42,233
He goes, "I'm not going to set
until he comes and apologizes."
1079
00:48:42,234 --> 00:48:46,571
So, uh, then I decided
to act like a fucking diva.
1080
00:48:46,572 --> 00:48:49,907
Stephan just said,
"I'm not shooting this makeup.
1081
00:48:49,908 --> 00:48:52,811
In fact, me and my whole team
are walking off the set now."
1082
00:48:53,112 --> 00:48:54,245
So, then we're like
1083
00:48:54,246 --> 00:48:55,713
sitting in the trailer,
and they're like,
1084
00:48:55,714 --> 00:48:56,914
"Okay, they're ready for him."
1085
00:48:56,982 --> 00:48:58,683
And he's like, "Nope.
I'm not gonna go."
1086
00:48:58,684 --> 00:49:00,051
And I said, "Okay.
1087
00:49:00,052 --> 00:49:02,053
He's not coming on the set,
because the makeup
1088
00:49:02,054 --> 00:49:03,988
is fucked up now.
You didn't listen.
1089
00:49:03,989 --> 00:49:07,225
Okay? Lesson learned?
I hope so."
1090
00:49:07,226 --> 00:49:08,626
Stephan essentially
1091
00:49:08,627 --> 00:49:14,767
let production know that no one,
no one could knock on that door.
1092
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,267
Peter's like,
1093
00:49:16,268 --> 00:49:17,236
"Well, I'm not going
if you guys aren't going."
1094
00:49:17,237 --> 00:49:18,677
And so, we're all just
sitting there.
1095
00:49:18,704 --> 00:49:21,072
And then finally Verhoeven
comes down, and he's like...
1096
00:49:21,073 --> 00:49:22,574
- Well, I mean...
- He goes,
1097
00:49:22,775 --> 00:49:25,076
"I guess you want me to say,
'I'm sorry, ' but I can't."
1098
00:49:25,077 --> 00:49:26,444
So, we had it out
1099
00:49:26,445 --> 00:49:29,281
in the trailer,
me, the producers, and Paul.
1100
00:49:29,815 --> 00:49:33,184
And yeah,
that was very stressful day.
1101
00:49:33,185 --> 00:49:34,553
Yeah.
1102
00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:36,854
How can we help you, Officer?
1103
00:49:36,855 --> 00:49:39,190
Dick Jones is wanted for murder.
1104
00:49:39,191 --> 00:49:41,392
Obviously, the first time
you see RoboCop,
1105
00:49:41,393 --> 00:49:43,327
there's a lot of processing
on his voice.
1106
00:49:43,328 --> 00:49:44,996
Yes, I understand.
1107
00:49:44,997 --> 00:49:47,565
As he gets more human,
they pull it out.
1108
00:49:47,566 --> 00:49:49,433
My program will not allow me
1109
00:49:49,434 --> 00:49:51,669
to act against an officer
of this company.
1110
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:53,504
It's a social critique
1111
00:49:53,505 --> 00:49:56,340
that went very specifically
about corporate power,
1112
00:49:56,341 --> 00:49:57,409
corporate greed.
1113
00:49:57,643 --> 00:49:59,111
These are serious charges.
1114
00:49:59,578 --> 00:50:02,014
These impersonal
killer executives.
1115
00:50:02,314 --> 00:50:03,648
What is your evidence?
1116
00:50:03,649 --> 00:50:04,782
The businessmen
1117
00:50:04,783 --> 00:50:07,318
who are out there
trying to one up each other.
1118
00:50:07,319 --> 00:50:09,521
I had to kill Bob Morton,
because he made a mistake.
1119
00:50:11,490 --> 00:50:14,025
Now, it's time
to erase that mistake.
1120
00:50:14,026 --> 00:50:15,493
And just raised it another notch
1121
00:50:15,494 --> 00:50:17,062
where they literally
do kill each other.
1122
00:50:18,831 --> 00:50:20,064
And it's not only forecasting,
1123
00:50:20,065 --> 00:50:21,866
it's putting its finger
right on it.
1124
00:50:21,867 --> 00:50:23,135
I want a chopper now!
1125
00:50:26,438 --> 00:50:28,606
Jon suggested a way
1126
00:50:28,607 --> 00:50:30,708
to invalidate
Directive 4 at the end.
1127
00:50:30,709 --> 00:50:32,009
We'd all show up
1128
00:50:32,010 --> 00:50:34,179
at the office every day,
and we'd kick stuff around.
1129
00:50:34,446 --> 00:50:36,080
Anybody tries to stop me...
1130
00:50:36,081 --> 00:50:37,215
You know, saying,
1131
00:50:37,216 --> 00:50:38,716
"Oh, what about this,
or what about that?"
1132
00:50:38,717 --> 00:50:40,219
the old geezer gets it.
1133
00:50:40,686 --> 00:50:43,621
And I, as a joke, said,
how about "You're fired"?
1134
00:50:43,622 --> 00:50:44,789
I never thought
1135
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:46,858
that the "You're fired" line
would work.
1136
00:50:46,859 --> 00:50:49,360
I... You know, and Paul, and Ed,
and Jon were going,
1137
00:50:49,361 --> 00:50:50,795
"Yeah, it's gonna work.
Yeah, it's gonna work."
1138
00:50:50,796 --> 00:50:52,076
I said,
"You know, I don't know."
1139
00:50:52,364 --> 00:50:54,333
Dick, you're fired!
1140
00:50:55,667 --> 00:50:56,901
And it worked beautifully.
1141
00:50:56,902 --> 00:50:58,202
So, you know,
1142
00:50:58,203 --> 00:50:59,403
even when you're really
involved in it,
1143
00:50:59,404 --> 00:51:00,639
you can be wrong. Right?
1144
00:51:01,006 --> 00:51:03,175
Thank you.
1145
00:51:07,713 --> 00:51:12,049
They put squibs
front and back, big heavy loads.
1146
00:51:12,050 --> 00:51:15,887
And I'm not blowing smoke,
when they put those off,
1147
00:51:15,888 --> 00:51:20,358
I practically went to my knees,
and I was physically ill
1148
00:51:20,359 --> 00:51:22,494
for about an hour
after that happened.
1149
00:51:22,928 --> 00:51:23,961
That hurt.
1150
00:51:23,962 --> 00:51:25,529
They made a mistake.
1151
00:51:25,530 --> 00:51:28,367
And they came to me afterwards,
and said, "We fucked up."
1152
00:51:36,074 --> 00:51:38,576
I had a little bit
of stop-motion experience,
1153
00:51:38,577 --> 00:51:41,679
and I talked with Jon Davison,
and he asked me
1154
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,281
about the possibility
of doing it
1155
00:51:43,282 --> 00:51:44,983
as a stop-motion character.
1156
00:51:45,384 --> 00:51:47,685
And I told him
that I'd be willing to try it,
1157
00:51:47,686 --> 00:51:51,055
and um, thought that I could do
something that looked good.
1158
00:51:51,056 --> 00:51:53,325
It ended up looking
kind of iffy.
1159
00:51:58,797 --> 00:52:01,133
The Rocco Gioffre shot
1160
00:52:01,566 --> 00:52:05,136
where he falls out the window
is a little dodgy.
1161
00:52:05,137 --> 00:52:07,571
That guy falling out
of the building at the end
1162
00:52:07,572 --> 00:52:09,608
with the really long arms. Oh.
1163
00:52:11,243 --> 00:52:13,312
We could have done better.
1164
00:52:13,578 --> 00:52:15,179
I don't know
what happened to that,
1165
00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:18,183
but I was... I was disappointed.
1166
00:52:18,450 --> 00:52:20,985
Dick, I'm very disappointed.
1167
00:52:20,986 --> 00:52:22,186
Of course,
1168
00:52:22,187 --> 00:52:23,821
I'd like another crack
at the Dick Jones thing.
1169
00:52:23,822 --> 00:52:25,256
There's some stuff
that I would... would do
1170
00:52:25,257 --> 00:52:26,424
very differently.
1171
00:52:26,425 --> 00:52:28,159
Although, I don't think
that it's the fault
1172
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,462
of stop motion that that looks
the way that it does.
1173
00:52:31,463 --> 00:52:34,933
It's the proportions of his arms
in relationship to the lens
1174
00:52:35,133 --> 00:52:37,469
that we chose and the way
that it looks distorted.
1175
00:52:39,271 --> 00:52:40,504
The way this shot
1176
00:52:40,505 --> 00:52:42,841
was supposed to work
from what I heard
1177
00:52:43,141 --> 00:52:46,744
was my character
was gonna go out the window.
1178
00:52:46,745 --> 00:52:52,016
They were gonna have ostensibly
a camera down halfway.
1179
00:52:52,017 --> 00:52:55,520
They were gonna articulate
my character coming down,
1180
00:52:55,921 --> 00:52:58,589
down, down, down
toward the camera.
1181
00:52:58,590 --> 00:53:01,492
And then they were gonna flip
the camera
1182
00:53:01,493 --> 00:53:05,130
and take my character away
until he landed in the street.
1183
00:53:06,665 --> 00:53:08,632
Well, obviously,
that didn't work.
1184
00:53:08,633 --> 00:53:10,001
That would have been great.
1185
00:53:10,002 --> 00:53:11,869
That's the reason
they made that little doll
1186
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:14,706
to look exactly like me.
1187
00:53:16,074 --> 00:53:17,509
There's nothing like RoboCop.
1188
00:53:20,178 --> 00:53:21,813
I mean, there isn't.
1189
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,315
That has a social message
like this
1190
00:53:24,316 --> 00:53:26,351
that gets you on four or five
different levels.
1191
00:53:26,818 --> 00:53:28,687
Verhoeven's power,
I mean, he knew
1192
00:53:28,954 --> 00:53:30,087
the end of that movie is...
1193
00:53:30,088 --> 00:53:32,490
Nice shooting, son.
What's your name?
1194
00:53:32,491 --> 00:53:33,625
"What's your name?"
1195
00:53:35,427 --> 00:53:36,494
Murphy.
1196
00:53:36,495 --> 00:53:38,429
"Murphy."
1197
00:53:38,430 --> 00:53:39,663
I'll never forget that.
1198
00:53:39,664 --> 00:53:42,401
Before Peter Weller
could answer Murphy...
1199
00:53:42,701 --> 00:53:45,002
Nice shooting, son.
What's your name?
1200
00:53:45,003 --> 00:53:48,874
The whole theater
in one voice said, "Murphy!"
1201
00:53:49,207 --> 00:53:50,641
Yes!
1202
00:53:50,642 --> 00:53:51,909
That was so amazing.
1203
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:55,047
But like, "Murphy!"
1204
00:53:55,380 --> 00:53:57,348
That was a moment
that you will never forget,
1205
00:53:57,349 --> 00:54:00,084
you know, that people
were so into the movie.
1206
00:54:00,085 --> 00:54:05,523
It was like this transformation
from human to robot,
1207
00:54:05,524 --> 00:54:07,425
and back to human.
1208
00:54:07,426 --> 00:54:11,228
It lives because of its theme.
1209
00:54:11,229 --> 00:54:16,600
And the theme is executed
right down the line, man.
1210
00:54:16,601 --> 00:54:19,905
And the theme is resurrection.
1211
00:54:25,143 --> 00:54:27,044
When the film was tested,
1212
00:54:27,045 --> 00:54:28,485
it was actually
a fourth media break.
1213
00:54:28,847 --> 00:54:31,949
And there was a sequence
in which Bixby Snyder
1214
00:54:31,950 --> 00:54:33,951
is arrested as a pedophile.
1215
00:54:33,952 --> 00:54:36,087
And Nancy Allen
is in the hospital
1216
00:54:36,088 --> 00:54:38,789
being interviewed,
having survived the shootout.
1217
00:54:38,790 --> 00:54:40,157
Excuse me, Your Honor.
1218
00:54:40,158 --> 00:54:43,160
Anne, ever consider
another line of work?
1219
00:54:43,161 --> 00:54:45,464
No. I like being a cop.
1220
00:54:45,697 --> 00:54:48,699
Well, the original ending
did have Anne Lewis saying,
1221
00:54:48,700 --> 00:54:50,568
"If you can't stand the heat,
get out of the kitchen."
1222
00:54:50,569 --> 00:54:52,303
It parrots something that
you hear earlier in the film.
1223
00:54:52,304 --> 00:54:53,271
If you can't stand the heat,
1224
00:54:53,272 --> 00:54:54,615
you better stay out
of the kitchen.
1225
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:56,507
You know what they say.
1226
00:54:56,508 --> 00:54:59,877
If you can't stand the heat,
get out of the kitchen.
1227
00:54:59,878 --> 00:55:00,878
I don't know about you,
1228
00:55:00,879 --> 00:55:02,614
but I'll sleep
a little better tonight.
1229
00:55:02,881 --> 00:55:04,448
I saw the dailies.
1230
00:55:04,449 --> 00:55:06,317
I didn't really like it
very much.
1231
00:55:06,318 --> 00:55:07,285
The audience always felt
1232
00:55:07,286 --> 00:55:09,520
that Murphy
was the way to go out.
1233
00:55:09,521 --> 00:55:12,090
So, that fourth media break
was never shown.
1234
00:55:12,324 --> 00:55:13,424
It was one of those things
1235
00:55:13,425 --> 00:55:15,192
where when I heard
they weren't using it,
1236
00:55:15,193 --> 00:55:18,530
I was sort of relieved,
because it just seemed so blah.
1237
00:55:18,763 --> 00:55:20,197
You bet!
1238
00:55:20,198 --> 00:55:23,101
Next time you see a cop, smile.
Thanks for watching.
1239
00:55:26,538 --> 00:55:28,205
We were on a tight schedule.
1240
00:55:28,206 --> 00:55:31,008
I was done with RoboCop
probably 10 days
1241
00:55:31,009 --> 00:55:32,276
after we finished shooting.
1242
00:55:32,277 --> 00:55:34,545
There wasn't like
the four-hour cut of RoboCop.
1243
00:55:34,546 --> 00:55:37,214
There was the...
If RoboCop's 114 minutes,
1244
00:55:37,215 --> 00:55:39,550
there was the 118-minute cut
of RoboCop.
1245
00:55:39,551 --> 00:55:40,551
That was the rough.
1246
00:55:43,088 --> 00:55:46,991
First of all, I was all for it
being a very violent movie.
1247
00:55:46,992 --> 00:55:50,094
I was interested in those ideas
and Paul was, too.
1248
00:55:50,095 --> 00:55:51,096
And I was surprised
1249
00:55:51,329 --> 00:55:52,930
when we were even shooting
these sequences.
1250
00:55:52,931 --> 00:55:54,131
I was thinking to myself,
1251
00:55:54,132 --> 00:55:55,699
"There's no way these are ever
gonna make it.
1252
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:57,468
It's never gonna make it
on screen."
1253
00:55:57,469 --> 00:56:00,304
I think Paul's idea
was actually, "Push it
1254
00:56:00,305 --> 00:56:01,939
as far as you can push it,
1255
00:56:01,940 --> 00:56:03,300
and then we'll dial it back
later."
1256
00:56:03,408 --> 00:56:05,776
If you can't push the envelope,
1257
00:56:05,777 --> 00:56:08,245
you know,
don't write the letter.
1258
00:56:08,246 --> 00:56:11,183
We wanted to grab people
by the throat,
1259
00:56:11,516 --> 00:56:13,351
and give 'em a good time
and a real good ride.
1260
00:56:16,054 --> 00:56:17,321
Our biggest problem
1261
00:56:17,322 --> 00:56:20,524
on the editing of the movie
was with the MPAA.
1262
00:56:20,525 --> 00:56:21,659
And so, we had to cut it,
1263
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:23,961
and cut it, and cut it eight,
nine times.
1264
00:56:23,962 --> 00:56:26,082
You know, we had to go back
to back, back, back, back.
1265
00:56:26,231 --> 00:56:29,668
But that original version
basically is really funny.
1266
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:32,904
It's safe to say
1267
00:56:32,905 --> 00:56:34,738
the ratings board
did not get the satire.
1268
00:56:34,739 --> 00:56:36,707
Of course, they gave us an X.
1269
00:56:36,708 --> 00:56:39,410
And so, we made a few trims,
and sent it back,
1270
00:56:39,411 --> 00:56:40,911
and we got another X.
1271
00:56:40,912 --> 00:56:44,248
So, Paul went back in,
and he kept cutting away
1272
00:56:44,249 --> 00:56:47,051
the shot where Peter Waller
loses his hand,
1273
00:56:47,052 --> 00:56:48,586
because it was too graphic.
1274
00:56:48,587 --> 00:56:51,722
It was supposed to be so big,
1275
00:56:51,723 --> 00:56:56,026
so too much, that it in a way,
lost its impact.
1276
00:56:56,027 --> 00:57:00,030
And the more you cut it down,
the more real it became.
1277
00:57:00,031 --> 00:57:02,367
And somehow, those censors
just didn't see that.
1278
00:57:02,701 --> 00:57:07,539
In a way, they made the violence
worse for us as a viewer.
1279
00:57:07,772 --> 00:57:09,206
We had this one shot
1280
00:57:09,207 --> 00:57:10,708
where they shoot him
in the head,
1281
00:57:10,709 --> 00:57:12,943
and it was a complete move
right from his face,
1282
00:57:12,944 --> 00:57:14,479
all the way
to the back of his head.
1283
00:57:15,647 --> 00:57:18,549
And the MPAA
wouldn't allow me to use it.
1284
00:57:18,550 --> 00:57:21,185
I could only use the impact
just from the front
1285
00:57:21,186 --> 00:57:23,754
and then the back.
1286
00:57:23,755 --> 00:57:26,056
And it probably was more violent
doing it that way
1287
00:57:26,057 --> 00:57:27,758
than just showing
the whole move.
1288
00:57:27,759 --> 00:57:28,792
There was a shot of the floor.
1289
00:57:28,793 --> 00:57:29,860
It was a wide shot.
1290
00:57:29,861 --> 00:57:31,262
And the floor was covered
with blood.
1291
00:57:31,263 --> 00:57:32,663
It looked
like a butcher shop floor.
1292
00:57:32,664 --> 00:57:35,666
In the first preview of it,
10 women got up
1293
00:57:35,667 --> 00:57:37,268
at that moment and left the...
1294
00:57:37,269 --> 00:57:38,829
The screening room.
It was just amazing.
1295
00:57:41,206 --> 00:57:42,640
I think the first thing
I realized
1296
00:57:42,641 --> 00:57:46,311
was red was a problem.
Just red, the amount of red.
1297
00:57:47,779 --> 00:57:49,047
We had a preview,
1298
00:57:49,314 --> 00:57:52,683
and about the highest
rated thing in the movie
1299
00:57:52,684 --> 00:57:54,953
was Emil getting hit by the car.
1300
00:57:57,322 --> 00:57:59,890
And the MPAA said,
"Absolutely not.
1301
00:57:59,891 --> 00:58:02,893
You cannot have that.
It's decapitation."
1302
00:58:02,894 --> 00:58:07,164
And God bless Mike Medavoy,
because to his credit, he said,
1303
00:58:07,165 --> 00:58:09,266
"We are not cutting that shot.
1304
00:58:09,267 --> 00:58:12,102
We'll go to the mat
with the MPAA on this.
1305
00:58:12,103 --> 00:58:13,371
We're not taking it out."
1306
00:58:15,140 --> 00:58:18,075
Jon Davison
made the whole crew T-shirts.
1307
00:58:18,076 --> 00:58:20,444
One side would say "RoboCop,"
1308
00:58:20,445 --> 00:58:23,514
and the other side
would say, "Fuck the MPAA."
1309
00:58:23,515 --> 00:58:25,149
It was like,
"Well, wait a minute.
1310
00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:27,185
If they wanna play games,
we'll play some games."
1311
00:58:27,385 --> 00:58:29,486
Okay, okay.
I get a kick out of it.
1312
00:58:29,487 --> 00:58:31,322
You end up wearing
them down, you know?
1313
00:58:31,323 --> 00:58:33,257
You cut maybe a frame out.
1314
00:58:33,258 --> 00:58:34,958
But you keep sending
the same stuff back
1315
00:58:34,959 --> 00:58:37,028
and they eventually give in.
1316
00:58:38,263 --> 00:58:39,263
They changed the rules
1317
00:58:39,264 --> 00:58:41,332
after that movie
about how many times
1318
00:58:41,333 --> 00:58:42,701
you can submit a film.
1319
00:58:44,135 --> 00:58:45,369
There was a moment
1320
00:58:45,370 --> 00:58:47,805
in the cutting room
where I remember Jon and Paul
1321
00:58:47,806 --> 00:58:50,407
immediately started
getting into a fight
1322
00:58:50,408 --> 00:58:51,942
and Sol Lomita, who was the head
1323
00:58:51,943 --> 00:58:54,411
of post-production at Orion,
who was a very tough guy,
1324
00:58:54,412 --> 00:58:55,979
starts yelling at Paul.
1325
00:58:55,980 --> 00:58:57,715
And Paul starts yelling back.
1326
00:58:57,716 --> 00:58:59,016
And I said,
"Wait a second, guys.
1327
00:58:59,017 --> 00:59:00,884
What if we cut the arm out?"
1328
00:59:00,885 --> 00:59:02,386
Because I always thought
it looked shitty anyway.
1329
00:59:02,387 --> 00:59:03,588
"Let's cut the arm out!"
1330
00:59:04,889 --> 00:59:06,390
And they both looked
at each other.
1331
00:59:06,391 --> 00:59:09,360
"Okay." And that was that.
And then we sent it in.
1332
00:59:09,361 --> 00:59:12,197
And with the arm out of it,
we got the R-rated.
1333
00:59:15,900 --> 00:59:17,134
When I came back
from this movie,
1334
00:59:17,135 --> 00:59:18,670
I just felt like I was dead.
1335
00:59:18,903 --> 00:59:22,073
It was a very challenging movie
to work on.
1336
00:59:22,307 --> 00:59:24,542
Constant tension and...
And conflict.
1337
00:59:24,743 --> 00:59:26,010
People were exhausted.
1338
00:59:26,244 --> 00:59:27,344
We had all had this terrible
1339
00:59:27,345 --> 00:59:29,413
rep party where everybody
behaved badly.
1340
00:59:29,414 --> 00:59:31,448
And on the plane the next day,
1341
00:59:31,449 --> 00:59:32,969
there were people
who hated each other,
1342
00:59:33,184 --> 00:59:35,586
but we were all so hung over
that we couldn't even like...
1343
00:59:35,587 --> 00:59:37,155
It was just like...
1344
00:59:37,522 --> 00:59:39,556
You know,
after finishing RoboCop,
1345
00:59:39,557 --> 00:59:41,892
I decided that I was going to go
to the mountains
1346
00:59:41,893 --> 00:59:44,061
and raise ducks
for the rest of my life.
1347
00:59:44,062 --> 00:59:46,097
It was that bad.
1348
00:59:49,534 --> 00:59:51,402
When the picture
was about to come out,
1349
00:59:51,403 --> 00:59:53,871
the head of marketing
at Orion Pictures said,
1350
00:59:53,872 --> 00:59:55,606
"I cannot market this movie.
1351
00:59:55,607 --> 00:59:58,743
It's impossible to m... to go out
with a movie called 'RoboCop'."
1352
01:00:00,044 --> 01:00:03,347
RoboCop, mechanical body,
human memory,
1353
01:00:03,348 --> 01:00:06,050
the ultimate law enforcement
operative of the future.
1354
01:00:06,384 --> 01:00:07,352
RoboCop was scheduled
1355
01:00:07,353 --> 01:00:10,487
to come out, I think,
after Labor Day.
1356
01:00:10,488 --> 01:00:12,824
And that summer,
the big blockbusters
1357
01:00:13,024 --> 01:00:15,659
from the studios
just didn't cut it.
1358
01:00:15,660 --> 01:00:17,561
And it turned out,
there were slots
1359
01:00:17,562 --> 01:00:19,229
that became open.
1360
01:00:19,230 --> 01:00:21,732
Orion didn't have much
of a budget for marketing.
1361
01:00:21,733 --> 01:00:24,235
It was a small... you know,
it was a low-budget picture.
1362
01:00:24,636 --> 01:00:27,237
And I said, "Don't position it
against something,
1363
01:00:27,238 --> 01:00:28,839
you know,
that's going to be bigger."
1364
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,160
So, they put it out
in the summer.
1365
01:00:31,676 --> 01:00:34,778
RoboCop, the future of law
enforcement, rated R.
1366
01:00:34,779 --> 01:00:38,283
Starts Friday, July 17th
at a theater near you.
1367
01:00:38,583 --> 01:00:40,819
Orion made a trailer,
and it was pretty terrible.
1368
01:00:41,052 --> 01:00:43,120
The summer's new superhero
1369
01:00:43,121 --> 01:00:46,490
is America's new
super hit movie.
1370
01:00:46,491 --> 01:00:47,658
RoboCop.
1371
01:00:47,659 --> 01:00:48,792
I really love that guy.
1372
01:00:48,793 --> 01:00:49,961
Rated R.
1373
01:00:50,295 --> 01:00:53,630
And so, I hired a friend
of mine, Miller Drake,
1374
01:00:53,631 --> 01:00:56,433
from the New World
Trailer Department.
1375
01:00:56,434 --> 01:00:58,469
And he came in,
and spent a week,
1376
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:59,938
and cut the trailer.
1377
01:01:01,306 --> 01:01:03,274
It is my great pleasure
to present to you...
1378
01:01:05,543 --> 01:01:06,543
RoboCop.
1379
01:01:08,713 --> 01:01:10,982
Orion Pictures was putting
together a trailer.
1380
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:14,618
And they didn't have any music
from our movie yet,
1381
01:01:14,619 --> 01:01:16,099
because the music
hadn't been written.
1382
01:01:16,488 --> 01:01:19,623
- Let the woman go.
- You are under arrest.
1383
01:01:19,624 --> 01:01:21,291
So, they utilized
1384
01:01:21,292 --> 01:01:23,894
Brad Fiedel's score
from Terminator.
1385
01:01:23,895 --> 01:01:25,330
You have the right
to remain silent.
1386
01:01:27,632 --> 01:01:28,952
You have the right
to an attorney.
1387
01:01:29,167 --> 01:01:31,469
What is this?
1388
01:01:31,703 --> 01:01:34,372
It's not a great trailer,
but it's an awful lot better.
1389
01:01:34,639 --> 01:01:37,007
"The future of law enforcement.
1390
01:01:37,008 --> 01:01:38,008
RoboCop."
1391
01:01:40,578 --> 01:01:43,915
RoboCop, the future
of law enforcement.
1392
01:01:45,116 --> 01:01:46,583
And of course,
1393
01:01:46,584 --> 01:01:48,218
when it was accepted,
it seemed like,
1394
01:01:48,219 --> 01:01:50,387
"Well, what other title
could there be?" You know?
1395
01:01:50,388 --> 01:01:52,556
It is a perfect title in a way,
because it tells you
1396
01:01:52,557 --> 01:01:53,892
exactly what the movie is.
1397
01:01:54,292 --> 01:01:56,693
I was told I was almost gonna be
the poster for the movie,
1398
01:01:56,694 --> 01:01:58,562
because my character
with the machine gun
1399
01:01:58,563 --> 01:02:00,197
being pulled through the wall,
1400
01:02:00,198 --> 01:02:01,932
with the two RoboCop arms
sticking through
1401
01:02:01,933 --> 01:02:03,600
was quite a photograph.
1402
01:02:03,601 --> 01:02:05,769
So, it was one of two or three
that they were considering,
1403
01:02:05,770 --> 01:02:07,050
but they went
with the right one.
1404
01:02:11,409 --> 01:02:14,478
They managed to come up
with an iconic shot,
1405
01:02:14,479 --> 01:02:17,514
which is Robo
getting out of the cruiser.
1406
01:02:17,515 --> 01:02:19,050
"Part man, part machine,
all cop."
1407
01:02:24,155 --> 01:02:27,224
And that was actually a still
that was done
1408
01:02:27,225 --> 01:02:30,527
by the on-still photographer
named Deana Newcomb.
1409
01:02:30,528 --> 01:02:33,163
And they just essentially,
what we would now call,
1410
01:02:33,164 --> 01:02:34,164
"photoshopped it".
1411
01:02:35,633 --> 01:02:37,235
That became the iconic image.
1412
01:02:41,940 --> 01:02:44,775
And it's become
an iconic poster.
1413
01:02:44,776 --> 01:02:47,110
Somebody came up with the ad
thing on the... on the poster,
1414
01:02:47,111 --> 01:02:50,647
and said, "This cop don't stop
at no donut shop."
1415
01:02:50,648 --> 01:02:52,416
One of the great
marketing things ever.
1416
01:02:52,417 --> 01:02:55,052
I thought it would have
a very limited audience.
1417
01:02:55,053 --> 01:02:56,386
I thought, "It's so strange.
1418
01:02:56,387 --> 01:02:58,522
It's so different
than anything."
1419
01:02:58,523 --> 01:03:01,726
And I thought, "This is just not
gonna work on a large scale."
1420
01:03:04,729 --> 01:03:05,663
Then the premiere
1421
01:03:05,664 --> 01:03:08,666
at the Academy Theater,
900 people,
1422
01:03:08,900 --> 01:03:11,002
my family in the audience. Wow.
1423
01:03:11,202 --> 01:03:12,669
We went to the premiere,
1424
01:03:12,670 --> 01:03:16,106
and I... I thought
the movie was fantastic.
1425
01:03:16,107 --> 01:03:17,541
I just thought it was great.
1426
01:03:17,542 --> 01:03:19,944
You know, "here I am in like
the place
1427
01:03:20,278 --> 01:03:22,447
in Hollywood show business.
1428
01:03:22,814 --> 01:03:23,915
Wow, man!"
1429
01:03:28,953 --> 01:03:32,323
I mean, it came out in July
of '87, and people loved it.
1430
01:03:32,557 --> 01:03:34,625
Everybody loves RoboCop.
1431
01:03:34,626 --> 01:03:35,759
Holy shit!
1432
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:37,228
We got a monster hit here.
1433
01:03:38,696 --> 01:03:41,232
RoboCop, two thumbs up.
1434
01:03:41,766 --> 01:03:43,233
RoboCop is a wonderfully funny,
1435
01:03:43,234 --> 01:03:46,004
inventive, and agreeably violent
piece of science fiction.
1436
01:03:46,270 --> 01:03:47,404
And I can't remember
the last time
1437
01:03:47,405 --> 01:03:48,973
I put all those adjectives
together.
1438
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,808
Newsweek calls it,
"Slick, lively.
1439
01:03:51,809 --> 01:03:53,577
Audiences will eat it up."
1440
01:03:53,578 --> 01:03:54,778
- Wow.
- Wow.
1441
01:03:54,779 --> 01:03:56,019
Wow. This is something special.
1442
01:03:56,347 --> 01:04:00,118
It opened to such a huge
box office and a reception
1443
01:04:00,485 --> 01:04:01,762
from you know, across the board.
1444
01:04:01,786 --> 01:04:03,453
I don't think anybody knew
1445
01:04:03,454 --> 01:04:05,689
that it was gonna be as big
as it was.
1446
01:04:05,690 --> 01:04:07,124
It was so fantastic.
1447
01:04:07,125 --> 01:04:10,127
I had never seen that
in my life, you know?
1448
01:04:10,128 --> 01:04:12,830
The day I saw the film,
it was lightning in a bottle.
1449
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:19,069
He's a stainless steel,
unstoppable Clint Eastwood.
1450
01:04:19,070 --> 01:04:21,171
I think you should run
to see this movie.
1451
01:04:21,172 --> 01:04:22,339
And not only because I'm in it,
1452
01:04:22,340 --> 01:04:23,874
but because, well, we'll talk
about it later.
1453
01:04:23,875 --> 01:04:24,875
Go see it.
1454
01:04:25,076 --> 01:04:27,077
I will.
1455
01:04:27,078 --> 01:04:28,311
There's a new guy in town.
1456
01:04:28,312 --> 01:04:31,014
Wow. This is different
than anything I'd ever seen.
1457
01:04:31,015 --> 01:04:32,282
His name's RoboCop.
1458
01:04:32,283 --> 01:04:33,350
It was really something,
1459
01:04:33,351 --> 01:04:34,711
and pretty impactful
on the public.
1460
01:04:34,819 --> 01:04:36,820
People saw it,
and they wanted to see it again.
1461
01:04:36,821 --> 01:04:38,056
- RoboCop.
- RoboCop.
1462
01:04:38,289 --> 01:04:39,924
Oh, yeah, RoboCop!
That's so cool.
1463
01:04:41,726 --> 01:04:44,728
People thought
that movie was off the chart.
1464
01:04:44,729 --> 01:04:46,763
The tone, everything, the humor.
1465
01:04:46,764 --> 01:04:48,699
RoboCop is dead-on!
1466
01:04:48,700 --> 01:04:51,002
Both as a thriller
and an unexpected comedy.
1467
01:04:52,670 --> 01:04:54,237
Truly, it's an interesting story
1468
01:04:54,238 --> 01:04:56,640
and it has a lot of depth to it,
but just on an action,
1469
01:04:56,641 --> 01:04:58,775
you know, shoot 'em up,
and blow it up,
1470
01:04:58,776 --> 01:05:00,544
and bloody it up.
1471
01:05:00,545 --> 01:05:04,114
You know, just on a popcorn,
crazy summer movie level,
1472
01:05:04,115 --> 01:05:05,582
it works on that, too.
1473
01:05:05,583 --> 01:05:07,184
The movie has a lot
of high-tech special effects.
1474
01:05:07,185 --> 01:05:09,019
It's an effective
summer thriller.
1475
01:05:09,020 --> 01:05:10,188
I enjoyed it.
1476
01:05:11,756 --> 01:05:14,324
When I left the theater,
I felt sick to my stomach.
1477
01:05:14,325 --> 01:05:15,492
I couldn't believe
what I'd seen.
1478
01:05:15,493 --> 01:05:17,561
I had no idea working on it
that that film
1479
01:05:17,562 --> 01:05:18,862
was gonna be what it was.
1480
01:05:18,863 --> 01:05:20,530
Like, takes your viscera,
1481
01:05:20,531 --> 01:05:22,699
and makes you feel
part of the deal.
1482
01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:24,568
It has some guts to it.
1483
01:05:24,569 --> 01:05:25,929
And I think
that's because of Paul.
1484
01:05:26,104 --> 01:05:28,071
A lot of people deserve credit
for this film.
1485
01:05:28,072 --> 01:05:30,273
The foremost, I guess,
is the highly regarded
1486
01:05:30,274 --> 01:05:31,676
Dutch director Paul Verhoeven.
1487
01:05:31,976 --> 01:05:33,744
We were kind of like dumbfounded
1488
01:05:33,745 --> 01:05:35,946
that, "Wow.
So, that's what Paul was...
1489
01:05:35,947 --> 01:05:37,114
Was doing."
1490
01:05:37,115 --> 01:05:38,381
And Verhoeven, you know,
1491
01:05:38,382 --> 01:05:40,684
as difficult
as he was to work with,
1492
01:05:40,685 --> 01:05:42,152
you know, he had a vision
of what he wanted,
1493
01:05:42,153 --> 01:05:43,588
and he got his movie.
1494
01:05:45,723 --> 01:05:47,524
We went to a restaurant
1495
01:05:47,525 --> 01:05:49,993
opposite to the theater
in Westwood,
1496
01:05:49,994 --> 01:05:53,364
and we're sitting there,
and then saw this line of people
1497
01:05:53,698 --> 01:05:54,865
that went like this,
1498
01:05:54,866 --> 01:05:57,467
and they go on the streets,
and then the side street,
1499
01:05:57,468 --> 01:05:58,770
and around the corner.
1500
01:05:59,003 --> 01:06:01,772
But seeing them going,
I mean, you don't see
1501
01:06:01,773 --> 01:06:03,840
that much anymore this way.
1502
01:06:03,841 --> 01:06:05,709
It was a success,
because the budget
1503
01:06:05,710 --> 01:06:08,111
was 13, and it made 120
or something
1504
01:06:08,112 --> 01:06:09,247
in the world, you know?
1505
01:06:09,614 --> 01:06:11,494
So, I'm still getting money
from them, you know?
1506
01:06:11,549 --> 01:06:13,183
I owned half the movie,
1507
01:06:13,184 --> 01:06:17,621
and I gave pieces of it
to 13 or 15 people
1508
01:06:17,622 --> 01:06:19,156
that worked on the picture.
1509
01:06:19,157 --> 01:06:22,459
And to this very day,
we're still getting checks.
1510
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:25,596
Still get some very decent
residual checks from RoboCop.
1511
01:06:25,930 --> 01:06:28,198
"Hey, man. Did you get the last
residual check?"
1512
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:30,468
"Yeah, I got it."
"All right!"
1513
01:06:32,336 --> 01:06:33,470
That'll give you an idea
1514
01:06:33,471 --> 01:06:36,106
of how popular
that movie was and still is.
1515
01:06:36,107 --> 01:06:37,607
People stopping you
on the street
1516
01:06:37,608 --> 01:06:39,609
and asking you to do the laugh.
1517
01:06:39,610 --> 01:06:41,611
You get the laundry,
folding your clothes,
1518
01:06:41,612 --> 01:06:43,280
and say, "Man, do that laugh!
Man, do that laugh."
1519
01:06:43,281 --> 01:06:44,816
I'm like,
"I can't do that laugh."
1520
01:06:47,018 --> 01:06:48,585
People have said to me,
1521
01:06:48,586 --> 01:06:51,154
"Hey yeah, RoboCop."
I say, "Yeah, yeah."
1522
01:06:51,155 --> 01:06:52,189
Mm!
1523
01:06:52,190 --> 01:06:55,158
Tastes like baby food.
1524
01:06:55,159 --> 01:06:56,793
Tastes like baby food.
1525
01:06:56,794 --> 01:06:58,762
That's the one line
they never forget.
1526
01:06:58,763 --> 01:06:59,797
Knock yourself out.
1527
01:06:59,997 --> 01:07:02,165
It changed the world for me.
And I can tell you,
1528
01:07:02,166 --> 01:07:04,135
I got out of two
speeding tickets because of it.
1529
01:07:05,369 --> 01:07:06,903
Motorcycle cop pulls me over.
1530
01:07:06,904 --> 01:07:09,439
He goes,
"License and registration."
1531
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,541
Flips up his shades.
1532
01:07:11,542 --> 01:07:13,877
"RoboCop,
get the fuck out of here."
1533
01:07:13,878 --> 01:07:15,245
"Have you ever seen RoboCop?"
1534
01:07:15,246 --> 01:07:17,014
And of course,
right there, the beat.
1535
01:07:18,082 --> 01:07:19,683
"We have it on a loop
in the station.
1536
01:07:19,684 --> 01:07:21,318
We watch it all the time!"
1537
01:07:21,319 --> 01:07:23,279
We got onto that subject
and off that ticket went.
1538
01:07:25,089 --> 01:07:26,656
My friend's son was like,
"Oh, yeah.
1539
01:07:26,657 --> 01:07:28,625
At college, we all watch
RoboCop like every weekend.
1540
01:07:28,626 --> 01:07:29,993
I went, "You do?"
1541
01:07:29,994 --> 01:07:31,728
He goes, "Yeah."
He goes, "And you?
1542
01:07:31,729 --> 01:07:33,698
Everybody knows you.
You're like the coke whore."
1543
01:07:33,998 --> 01:07:35,533
I said, "I think I was a model."
1544
01:07:37,168 --> 01:07:38,802
The thing that is most
interesting to me
1545
01:07:38,803 --> 01:07:41,004
about all of this and I could
not have predicted it,
1546
01:07:41,005 --> 01:07:42,372
but I couldn't be more pleased,
1547
01:07:42,373 --> 01:07:46,042
is that this is somehow
like this cultural thing
1548
01:07:46,043 --> 01:07:48,678
that young men particularly,
but some young women, too,
1549
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:49,679
really embrace.
1550
01:07:50,815 --> 01:07:52,249
I'm always amazed
1551
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:54,051
when people come up to me,
and say,
1552
01:07:54,352 --> 01:07:57,588
"My dad took me
to see that movie
1553
01:07:58,122 --> 01:08:00,590
when I was 8 years old,
and it changed my life."
1554
01:08:00,591 --> 01:08:02,559
And I thought to myself,
1555
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:04,895
"Why would your dad
1556
01:08:04,896 --> 01:08:07,364
- take you to see that movie?"
- I don't know.
1557
01:08:07,365 --> 01:08:09,065
"I saw it,
and I was way too young."
1558
01:08:09,066 --> 01:08:10,667
And you know...
1559
01:08:10,668 --> 01:08:12,646
And "My brother took me there
and I shouldn't have seen it."
1560
01:08:12,670 --> 01:08:14,304
"Oh, I saw this movie
when I was 8,"
1561
01:08:14,305 --> 01:08:15,605
or "I saw this movie,"
and I thought,
1562
01:08:15,606 --> 01:08:16,706
"Where were the parents?
1563
01:08:16,707 --> 01:08:18,075
You know,
what was going on there?"
1564
01:08:18,509 --> 01:08:20,210
Murphy.
1565
01:08:20,211 --> 01:08:24,381
It's a wonder you're not, you
know, a complete serial killer
1566
01:08:24,382 --> 01:08:26,217
or something. I mean, God!
1567
01:08:26,417 --> 01:08:28,452
And it's almost...
It becomes a rite of passage,
1568
01:08:28,753 --> 01:08:29,854
and kids would sneak off
1569
01:08:30,254 --> 01:08:31,621
to see it
at other people's houses.
1570
01:08:31,622 --> 01:08:35,425
"My uncle sneaked me in
and let me watch his VHS.
1571
01:08:35,426 --> 01:08:37,727
And it was cool!"
"This is my favorite movie.
1572
01:08:37,728 --> 01:08:39,229
- Don't tell your mom."
- This is, sort of,
1573
01:08:39,230 --> 01:08:42,532
their touchstone film
in lots of ways.
1574
01:08:42,533 --> 01:08:44,534
It tapped
into your, sort of, sense
1575
01:08:44,535 --> 01:08:46,803
of... of absurdity.
1576
01:08:46,804 --> 01:08:48,405
It was all the makeup,
1577
01:08:48,406 --> 01:08:51,741
and the faces dissolving,
and guns firing.
1578
01:08:51,742 --> 01:08:55,412
You know, it's that hardwired
of the charge of it all,
1579
01:08:55,413 --> 01:08:57,581
you know,
and the fascination with it all.
1580
01:08:57,815 --> 01:08:59,450
I showed my kids,
1581
01:08:59,951 --> 01:09:02,285
and they thought ED-209
was kind of funny.
1582
01:09:02,286 --> 01:09:04,421
And I'm like,
"What's wrong with you?"
1583
01:09:04,422 --> 01:09:06,957
So, I took 'em out of the will,
I kicked them out of the house.
1584
01:09:06,958 --> 01:09:08,425
Kids, look up to him.
1585
01:09:08,426 --> 01:09:09,627
Stay out of trouble.
1586
01:09:09,961 --> 01:09:13,163
I think as long as in a violent
film, there's a hero
1587
01:09:13,164 --> 01:09:17,968
that's a good role model
for kids, then you know,
1588
01:09:17,969 --> 01:09:19,903
it's got to be okay.
1589
01:09:19,904 --> 01:09:21,504
Can you do that, Dad?
1590
01:09:21,505 --> 01:09:22,739
There's an
interesting thing about
1591
01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:24,642
action films
and action characters
1592
01:09:25,042 --> 01:09:27,177
that are horrifically violent.
1593
01:09:27,178 --> 01:09:28,611
And then the fallout
1594
01:09:28,612 --> 01:09:33,751
of the film begs
to the commercial world dolls.
1595
01:09:33,985 --> 01:09:35,752
Drop it!
1596
01:09:35,753 --> 01:09:38,321
RoboCop and the Ultra Police,
each sold separately.
1597
01:09:38,322 --> 01:09:39,991
Criminals, give up.
1598
01:09:40,291 --> 01:09:42,659
I didn't expect
all of the merchandising.
1599
01:09:42,660 --> 01:09:43,960
That was a surprise.
1600
01:09:43,961 --> 01:09:46,229
RoboCop and evil ED-260
1601
01:09:46,230 --> 01:09:48,631
face off
with rapid repeat cap firing.
1602
01:09:48,632 --> 01:09:50,634
I mean, RoboCop, right?
1603
01:09:50,868 --> 01:09:55,472
So, the kids want RoboCop
costume, you know, and stuff.
1604
01:09:55,473 --> 01:09:56,873
What do you expect
from the studios?
1605
01:09:57,008 --> 01:10:01,144
The helmet, the look,
the power of RoboCop.
1606
01:10:01,145 --> 01:10:02,979
The idea of RoboCop
1607
01:10:02,980 --> 01:10:06,149
appealing to kids and everything
didn't surprise me in the least.
1608
01:10:06,150 --> 01:10:07,851
I expected it.
1609
01:10:07,852 --> 01:10:09,820
I went, "Wow.
This is a comic book film.
1610
01:10:10,087 --> 01:10:11,621
There's no comic book."
1611
01:10:11,622 --> 01:10:14,391
And then I think Marvel
did the comic after.
1612
01:10:14,392 --> 01:10:15,493
And it was just a natural.
1613
01:10:17,962 --> 01:10:21,564
Well, the audience for the comic
was never really very clear.
1614
01:10:21,565 --> 01:10:23,433
I think it was clearly...
1615
01:10:23,434 --> 01:10:25,735
It had to be for younger
age group.
1616
01:10:25,736 --> 01:10:27,971
Although, I was never really
totally certain why,
1617
01:10:27,972 --> 01:10:30,040
because actually
most comic books,
1618
01:10:30,041 --> 01:10:32,709
certainly by then,
were for late teenagers,
1619
01:10:32,710 --> 01:10:34,044
early 20s.
1620
01:10:34,045 --> 01:10:35,446
But you could tell
that the stories
1621
01:10:35,646 --> 01:10:37,747
were starting to go
in a direction
1622
01:10:37,748 --> 01:10:41,117
that you might expect
a good continuation
1623
01:10:41,118 --> 01:10:43,587
of the movie
to be coming up with.
1624
01:10:43,821 --> 01:10:46,122
You still couldn't show
people's heads being blown off
1625
01:10:46,123 --> 01:10:47,390
or anything like that.
1626
01:10:47,391 --> 01:10:49,659
Actually, to my relief,
because the older I get,
1627
01:10:49,660 --> 01:10:50,828
the more squeamish I get.
1628
01:10:52,863 --> 01:10:54,431
It was fantastic seeing RoboCop
1629
01:10:54,432 --> 01:10:56,266
come out in all these different
iterations,
1630
01:10:56,267 --> 01:10:57,467
the games, the toys, you know?
1631
01:10:57,468 --> 01:10:59,069
I mean, I like to buy 'em.
1632
01:10:59,070 --> 01:11:01,038
I must have put $100
worth of quarters
1633
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,540
into uh, that machine.
1634
01:11:03,541 --> 01:11:05,442
Don't move, creep!
1635
01:11:05,443 --> 01:11:06,443
It was bitchin'.
1636
01:11:10,781 --> 01:11:12,450
Thank you for your cooperation.
1637
01:11:12,917 --> 01:11:14,384
After being mortally wounded
1638
01:11:14,385 --> 01:11:16,954
in the line of duty,
Officer Murphy is outfitted
1639
01:11:17,388 --> 01:11:20,758
by OCP with bulletproof
titanium robotic parts.
1640
01:11:21,225 --> 01:11:22,345
When it came to the cartoons
1641
01:11:22,426 --> 01:11:24,694
and all that stuff, you know,
that stuff wasn't anywhere
1642
01:11:24,695 --> 01:11:26,497
near as violent as the feature.
1643
01:11:26,864 --> 01:11:29,733
He has become
the ultimate super cop.
1644
01:11:30,901 --> 01:11:31,936
RoboCop.
1645
01:11:33,704 --> 01:11:35,973
And I was very impressed
with the guy who played my part.
1646
01:11:36,407 --> 01:11:39,976
I bet you don't think
I'm a very nice person.
1647
01:11:39,977 --> 01:11:41,512
I think you're scum.
1648
01:11:43,047 --> 01:11:44,514
It just blew their little minds.
1649
01:11:44,515 --> 01:11:46,616
It's okay, Murphy.
1650
01:11:46,617 --> 01:11:48,352
It's me, Lewis.
1651
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,840
So, it was fun. You know,
it's fun to be part of that.
1652
01:11:53,290 --> 01:11:54,924
You will have a time as a child,
1653
01:11:54,925 --> 01:11:57,727
where you'll see a picture
which will shape you
1654
01:11:57,728 --> 01:11:58,796
the rest of your life.
1655
01:11:59,163 --> 01:12:01,998
It gets into your head
and into your heart as a child,
1656
01:12:01,999 --> 01:12:04,200
and it becomes a loved thing.
1657
01:12:04,201 --> 01:12:06,803
And it really has a power
and a motive force
1658
01:12:06,804 --> 01:12:07,804
the rest of your life.
1659
01:12:09,673 --> 01:12:11,809
One of the most
remarkable things is that
1660
01:12:12,343 --> 01:12:16,279
a mom came up to me, my age,
with a kid
1661
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,282
in his 40s, and he said
he was on the wrong side
1662
01:12:19,283 --> 01:12:21,217
of the law when he was 12.
1663
01:12:21,218 --> 01:12:23,553
And his mom showed him RoboCop.
1664
01:12:23,554 --> 01:12:25,823
He says, "I saw RoboCop,
and I wanna be a cop.
1665
01:12:26,190 --> 01:12:28,992
I left my friends,"
changed his playground,
1666
01:12:28,993 --> 01:12:30,627
and became this cop, man.
1667
01:12:30,628 --> 01:12:34,130
That's a service
that I can never dream
1668
01:12:34,131 --> 01:12:37,167
that any movie would do
or be of,
1669
01:12:37,168 --> 01:12:38,836
is that change a guy's life.
1670
01:12:40,638 --> 01:12:41,804
I know that Ed and I,
1671
01:12:41,805 --> 01:12:44,408
we talked for a moment
about the sequel,
1672
01:12:44,875 --> 01:12:48,011
but I think the studio felt
that we were not fast enough
1673
01:12:48,012 --> 01:12:49,812
and went other ways.
1674
01:12:49,813 --> 01:12:51,948
Orion was in financial trouble.
1675
01:12:51,949 --> 01:12:53,483
Because it was successful,
1676
01:12:53,484 --> 01:12:55,653
they immediately
wanted to do another one.
1677
01:12:57,188 --> 01:12:58,222
Taking over, creep.
1678
01:13:01,992 --> 01:13:03,994
The misfire of the sequel,
1679
01:13:04,195 --> 01:13:07,197
and then number three
was just horrible.
1680
01:13:07,198 --> 01:13:08,865
He's taking the future.
1681
01:13:08,866 --> 01:13:10,500
What in the name...
1682
01:13:10,501 --> 01:13:12,870
And giving it back
to the people.
1683
01:13:14,371 --> 01:13:16,372
RoboCop 3.
1684
01:13:16,373 --> 01:13:19,210
But that's more aimed
at children to make it PG-13.
1685
01:13:19,410 --> 01:13:21,611
So, then more people would come.
1686
01:13:21,612 --> 01:13:23,446
And some people like 2.
1687
01:13:23,447 --> 01:13:25,348
I don't know too many people
who like 3.
1688
01:13:25,349 --> 01:13:26,616
You know, it set the stage
1689
01:13:26,617 --> 01:13:28,284
for the rest of 'em,
but they always say
1690
01:13:28,285 --> 01:13:29,420
the first one's the best.
1691
01:13:29,753 --> 01:13:31,921
There's that first flash
when you get hit in the face,
1692
01:13:31,922 --> 01:13:33,356
and that was probably
what the first movie was.
1693
01:13:33,357 --> 01:13:35,117
And then everything else
was just body shots.
1694
01:13:39,096 --> 01:13:41,464
In the time
since that film has come out,
1695
01:13:41,465 --> 01:13:44,033
it's grown a massive following.
1696
01:13:44,034 --> 01:13:46,603
It's really difficult to get
a movie that works everywhere,
1697
01:13:46,604 --> 01:13:48,538
and RoboCop works everywhere.
1698
01:13:48,539 --> 01:13:50,173
And it's still popular
to this day.
1699
01:13:50,174 --> 01:13:51,175
The success of RoboCop
1700
01:13:51,575 --> 01:13:54,044
is more basically
that it's still there now
1701
01:13:54,311 --> 01:13:56,580
than that it was
such a big success. That...
1702
01:13:59,550 --> 01:14:02,552
The idea of landing a superhero
1703
01:14:02,553 --> 01:14:06,089
within the consciousness
of Western civilization,
1704
01:14:06,090 --> 01:14:07,890
I feel very lucky
to have been a part of that.
1705
01:14:10,394 --> 01:14:11,895
RoboCop predicted,
1706
01:14:12,129 --> 01:14:15,198
sort of, the decadence
of what our media is like today,
1707
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:16,866
I think, and... and our politics.
1708
01:14:16,867 --> 01:14:18,201
You better be careful, man.
1709
01:14:18,202 --> 01:14:20,870
- I hear Jones is a real shark.
- Who asked you, twerp?
1710
01:14:20,871 --> 01:14:22,273
We were so on target.
1711
01:14:24,041 --> 01:14:25,441
The movie is so precise,
1712
01:14:25,442 --> 01:14:27,744
and there is really nothing
in the movie
1713
01:14:27,745 --> 01:14:29,513
that I would say
that was not good.
1714
01:14:29,913 --> 01:14:31,114
There are parallels
1715
01:14:31,115 --> 01:14:34,350
you can draw to our...
Our daily political life,
1716
01:14:34,351 --> 01:14:36,452
our daily social life.
1717
01:14:36,453 --> 01:14:38,621
There are aspects of it
that are still true today
1718
01:14:38,622 --> 01:14:41,892
and becoming more true
every day.
1719
01:14:42,359 --> 01:14:43,327
It also forecast
1720
01:14:43,328 --> 01:14:44,928
the militarization
of the police,
1721
01:14:45,296 --> 01:14:46,796
how the police
are all decked out
1722
01:14:46,797 --> 01:14:48,699
in these body armor
and kevlar vests,
1723
01:14:49,099 --> 01:14:51,502
and they have this massive
military presence.
1724
01:14:52,136 --> 01:14:53,936
Halt it!
1725
01:14:53,937 --> 01:14:55,471
Violence is on the rise,
1726
01:14:55,472 --> 01:14:58,775
citizens are defenseless,
the businesses are corrupt,
1727
01:14:58,776 --> 01:15:00,544
people build big products
that don't work.
1728
01:15:03,013 --> 01:15:06,282
And now, we have robots
taking over all kinds of jobs.
1729
01:15:06,283 --> 01:15:09,018
So, it's become more
of a reality than ever.
1730
01:15:09,019 --> 01:15:10,721
And all of that, unfortunately,
1731
01:15:11,088 --> 01:15:14,023
and alas, has now gone up
a whole order of magnitude
1732
01:15:14,024 --> 01:15:16,192
in today's society.
1733
01:15:16,193 --> 01:15:17,627
It's prophetic.
1734
01:15:17,628 --> 01:15:18,961
I think we made a joke
1735
01:15:18,962 --> 01:15:21,631
about human nature,
and politics, and society,
1736
01:15:21,632 --> 01:15:24,567
and we had, sort of, a snapshot
we created.
1737
01:15:24,568 --> 01:15:27,503
It's about the American tragedy,
1738
01:15:27,504 --> 01:15:30,341
and that's the legacy
of the classic.
1739
01:15:30,541 --> 01:15:32,976
The first glance,
it's about this.
1740
01:15:33,410 --> 01:15:36,347
Second glance, it's about
something much more profound.
1741
01:15:38,949 --> 01:15:41,951
Looking back on RoboCop,
1742
01:15:41,952 --> 01:15:45,589
what really sticks with me
is a lesson.
1743
01:15:45,956 --> 01:15:48,559
Time heals all pain.
1744
01:15:48,859 --> 01:15:50,860
The crew got thrown together
1745
01:15:50,861 --> 01:15:54,365
in this big cauldron
with this great story.
1746
01:15:54,765 --> 01:15:58,000
Ed Neumeier and Michael Miner,
the writers, were brilliant.
1747
01:15:58,001 --> 01:16:01,337
Add to that
a brilliant director.
1748
01:16:01,338 --> 01:16:03,206
RoboCop was a miracle.
1749
01:16:03,207 --> 01:16:06,509
It was the right people
at the right time
1750
01:16:06,510 --> 01:16:09,179
coming together
to make something different.
1751
01:16:09,380 --> 01:16:11,447
I think what plays a part here
1752
01:16:11,448 --> 01:16:14,617
is my relying on intuition
and not knowing.
1753
01:16:14,618 --> 01:16:18,054
I think that RoboCop
is the best movie I made.
1754
01:16:18,055 --> 01:16:19,055
Drop it!
1755
01:16:23,527 --> 01:16:24,761
The '80s just happened
1756
01:16:24,762 --> 01:16:27,930
to be a time when Hollywood
had finally discovered
1757
01:16:27,931 --> 01:16:30,801
that they could make A movies
out of B movies,
1758
01:16:31,001 --> 01:16:33,069
and they just went wild with it.
1759
01:16:33,070 --> 01:16:34,938
Who are you?
1760
01:16:35,172 --> 01:16:36,205
Being in RoboCop
1761
01:16:36,206 --> 01:16:39,276
is like being
in a little time capsule,
1762
01:16:39,476 --> 01:16:41,277
just a super cool,
1763
01:16:41,278 --> 01:16:43,614
frozen-in-time
pop culture moment.
1764
01:16:44,815 --> 01:16:46,249
We get lucky,
1765
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:48,918
and we get to work on a show
now and again that resonates
1766
01:16:48,919 --> 01:16:51,422
and has some relevance
beyond just the entertainment.
1767
01:16:51,655 --> 01:16:54,057
The Tigers are playing tonight.
1768
01:16:54,391 --> 01:16:56,726
I'm proud of the reaction
1769
01:16:56,727 --> 01:17:00,463
that I've had to my work
in RoboCop,
1770
01:17:00,464 --> 01:17:02,899
to know that you've had
an effect on people.
1771
01:17:02,900 --> 01:17:03,900
It's pleasing to me.
1772
01:17:03,901 --> 01:17:06,068
Wow! I can't believe it.
1773
01:17:06,069 --> 01:17:10,274
It has made such an impact
on people for so long.
1774
01:17:12,209 --> 01:17:13,910
I think every
successive generation
1775
01:17:13,911 --> 01:17:15,212
discovers it for themselves,
1776
01:17:15,512 --> 01:17:18,448
and it becomes a whole new
thing all over again.
1777
01:17:18,449 --> 01:17:19,949
The thing that has sustained it,
1778
01:17:19,950 --> 01:17:22,585
I think, through the years
is the fact
1779
01:17:22,586 --> 01:17:23,830
that there is a heart
and soul to it.
1780
01:17:23,854 --> 01:17:25,856
Murphy, it's you.
1781
01:17:26,223 --> 01:17:30,059
I also think there's a sort of
an optimism in it also,
1782
01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:32,628
which says
"We'll go on somehow, you know?
1783
01:17:32,629 --> 01:17:33,963
We'll bumble along.
1784
01:17:33,964 --> 01:17:36,266
And some people will be fools,
but somehow,
1785
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:38,167
right will prevail."
1786
01:17:38,168 --> 01:17:41,270
And in some ways,
RoboCop stands in for that.
1787
01:17:41,271 --> 01:17:42,805
Your move, creep.
1788
01:17:42,806 --> 01:17:44,408
He is that character
1789
01:17:44,608 --> 01:17:46,676
that will take us through,
that says,
1790
01:17:46,677 --> 01:17:50,681
"We can cope with these changes
of technology or politics."
1791
01:17:52,115 --> 01:17:53,983
I am proud
to have been part of it,
1792
01:17:53,984 --> 01:17:55,953
and it is unique,
and that's why it lives.
1793
01:17:56,286 --> 01:17:58,188
- Dead or alive...
- You are coming with me.
1794
01:17:58,422 --> 01:18:00,791
And there's a punch in the face
1795
01:18:01,425 --> 01:18:03,093
and the heart with RoboCop.
1796
01:18:03,327 --> 01:18:06,362
About your world now
that'll be resonant
1797
01:18:06,363 --> 01:18:08,264
for a long time to come.
1798
01:18:08,265 --> 01:18:11,368
Thank you for your cooperation.
Goodnight.
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