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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,687 --> 00:00:03,419 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 3 00:00:03,419 --> 00:00:06,678 Dan: Jimmy Hoffa was an enemy of orthodox society. 4 00:00:06,678 --> 00:00:08,458 Voiceover: Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa 5 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 6 00:00:08,458 --> 00:00:09,960 threatened John Kennedy, 7 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:11,503 Robert Kennedy, or both. 8 00:00:11,503 --> 00:00:13,635 Scott: Hoffa was actually a full-fledged informant 9 00:00:13,635 --> 00:00:14,507 by the end. 10 00:00:14,507 --> 00:00:16,925 Dan: Hoffa's association with organized crime 11 00:00:16,925 --> 00:00:19,636 just quadrupled the threat to this country. 12 00:00:19,636 --> 00:00:21,054 Dr. Buccellato: That the Teamsters were protecting 13 00:00:21,054 --> 00:00:22,431 these drug traffickers. 14 00:00:22,431 --> 00:00:24,266 Voiceover: We have no information as, 15 00:00:24,266 --> 00:00:25,494 as to the fact that he is alive, 16 00:00:25,494 --> 00:00:27,144 but we don't know that he is dead either. 17 00:00:27,144 --> 00:00:28,770 Voiceover: More than 200 FBI agents 18 00:00:28,770 --> 00:00:30,605 are involved in the search for Hoffa. 19 00:00:30,605 --> 00:00:31,857 Voiceover: It is one of the most famous 20 00:00:31,857 --> 00:00:33,924 and enduring American mysteries. 21 00:00:33,924 --> 00:00:36,163 What happened to Jimmy Hoffa? 22 00:00:36,163 --> 00:00:38,337 Scott: Hoffa is seen getting into this car, 23 00:00:38,337 --> 00:00:42,118 and the car is seen driving away, never to be seen again. 24 00:00:42,118 --> 00:00:43,368 Hoffa vanished, 25 00:00:43,368 --> 00:00:45,329 and with this disappearance really started 26 00:00:45,329 --> 00:00:47,665 the most fascinating mystery 27 00:00:47,665 --> 00:00:49,586 in the criminal annals of America. 28 00:00:49,586 --> 00:00:53,527 (dramatic music) 29 00:00:55,964 --> 00:01:00,964 (slow dramatic music) 30 00:01:04,681 --> 00:01:06,308 Dr. Russell: Jimmy Hoffa was born and raised 31 00:01:06,308 --> 00:01:08,776 in coal mining towns in Southern Indiana 32 00:01:08,776 --> 00:01:11,196 in the 1910s and 1920s, 33 00:01:11,388 --> 00:01:15,776 hardscrabble towns filled with coal miners and bootleggers, 34 00:01:15,776 --> 00:01:17,404 a lot of whites from the South 35 00:01:17,404 --> 00:01:19,033 and emigrated to Southern Indiana. 36 00:01:19,033 --> 00:01:20,697 By the 1920s, it became a hub 37 00:01:20,697 --> 00:01:22,926 of the Ku Klux Klan nationally 38 00:01:23,664 --> 00:01:26,762 and where violence really determined a lot of conflicts. 39 00:01:27,004 --> 00:01:28,539 In the towns he grew up in, 40 00:01:28,539 --> 00:01:30,925 there were more saloons than there were churches. 41 00:01:31,542 --> 00:01:33,795 His mother was a single mother, 42 00:01:33,795 --> 00:01:35,672 who was forced to take in laundry from neighbors 43 00:01:35,672 --> 00:01:36,838 to support the family. 44 00:01:36,838 --> 00:01:38,298 Hoffa lived on the edge 45 00:01:38,298 --> 00:01:40,008 throughout his childhood and early adulthood, 46 00:01:40,008 --> 00:01:41,676 and I think that also defined his outlook on life 47 00:01:41,676 --> 00:01:42,852 and his career. 48 00:01:43,053 --> 00:01:45,264 (fast beat music) 49 00:01:45,264 --> 00:01:46,556 Al: So Jimmy Hoffa and his family 50 00:01:46,556 --> 00:01:49,025 arrived in Detroit in 1924, 51 00:01:49,025 --> 00:01:51,859 looking for better economic opportunities. 52 00:01:51,859 --> 00:01:53,979 Detroit was one of the fastest growing cities 53 00:01:53,979 --> 00:01:54,999 in the country. 54 00:01:54,999 --> 00:01:56,628 It was also one of the most violent. 55 00:01:56,628 --> 00:01:58,991 Scott: You had the Italians with several groups, 56 00:01:58,991 --> 00:02:00,362 the River Gang, the East Side Gang, 57 00:02:00,362 --> 00:02:02,024 the West Side Gang, 58 00:02:02,024 --> 00:02:04,094 the Jewish Purple Gang. 59 00:02:04,660 --> 00:02:06,203 And then you had other factions, 60 00:02:06,203 --> 00:02:07,702 such as the Lizard Gang, 61 00:02:07,702 --> 00:02:10,797 which is a Polish gang out of Hamtramck. 62 00:02:11,210 --> 00:02:14,543 A gangland economic boom that was taking place 63 00:02:14,543 --> 00:02:17,011 not just in Detroit but around the country, 64 00:02:18,688 --> 00:02:20,505 that was the situation that Hoffa was coming up in 65 00:02:20,505 --> 00:02:21,383 as a young man. 66 00:02:21,383 --> 00:02:24,550 (sinister music) 67 00:02:24,550 --> 00:02:25,887 Al: Then the Depression hit, 68 00:02:25,887 --> 00:02:28,598 and it hit Detroit harder than almost anywhere. 69 00:02:28,598 --> 00:02:30,308 Half the city was out of work, 70 00:02:30,308 --> 00:02:31,985 bread lines in the street. 71 00:02:32,631 --> 00:02:34,478 Thousands of people would show up 72 00:02:34,478 --> 00:02:36,323 for a single job opening. 73 00:02:36,371 --> 00:02:37,776 Dr. Russell: Hoffa was lucky to get a job 74 00:02:37,776 --> 00:02:41,069 as a warehouse worker unloading crates 75 00:02:41,069 --> 00:02:43,288 on a dock at Kroger's. 76 00:02:43,288 --> 00:02:45,281 He lived in a world in which 77 00:02:45,281 --> 00:02:47,117 poverty and unemployment was the norm 78 00:02:47,117 --> 00:02:49,663 and in which violence often determined 79 00:02:49,663 --> 00:02:52,519 the outcome of class struggle. 80 00:02:54,458 --> 00:02:58,378 Al: In 1932, the very bottom year of the Great Depression, 81 00:02:58,378 --> 00:03:00,634 the year of the national crime wave, 82 00:03:00,634 --> 00:03:03,342 John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde, 83 00:03:03,342 --> 00:03:05,719 Jimmy Hoffa was about 19 years old, 84 00:03:05,719 --> 00:03:07,847 and he did something pretty amazing. 85 00:03:07,847 --> 00:03:09,928 He organized his first strike. 86 00:03:09,928 --> 00:03:10,933 (dramatic music) 87 00:03:10,933 --> 00:03:12,350 Dr. Russell: I think it's important to see Jimmy Hoffa 88 00:03:12,350 --> 00:03:14,728 as always having been an entrepreneur 89 00:03:14,728 --> 00:03:18,571 and looking at the labor movement as an entrepreneur. 90 00:03:18,571 --> 00:03:21,694 He saw the potential for a strike 91 00:03:21,694 --> 00:03:25,740 not as a means to redo the economy 92 00:03:25,740 --> 00:03:28,291 or even redo the management of Kroger's 93 00:03:28,291 --> 00:03:30,994 but as a means simply to make higher wages. 94 00:03:30,994 --> 00:03:34,957 Workers striking, refusing to work was leveraged 95 00:03:34,957 --> 00:03:36,921 for simply economic means. 96 00:03:36,921 --> 00:03:38,543 (sinister music) 97 00:03:38,543 --> 00:03:40,724 Al: Hoffa was seeing the American system 98 00:03:40,724 --> 00:03:42,422 exposed all around him, 99 00:03:42,422 --> 00:03:45,091 Wall Street taking advantage of Main Street, 100 00:03:45,091 --> 00:03:46,665 and the rise of gangsters and bandits. 101 00:03:46,665 --> 00:03:47,418 (camera flash) 102 00:03:48,340 --> 00:03:52,515 Dr. Buccellato: Land speculators, banks gobbling up land 103 00:03:52,515 --> 00:03:55,352 foreclosing on small farmers. 104 00:03:55,598 --> 00:03:58,313 Al: For many people, men like John Dillinger and Al Capone 105 00:03:58,313 --> 00:04:00,023 became the heroes. 106 00:04:00,023 --> 00:04:02,567 Doing whatever it took to get ahead in life, 107 00:04:02,567 --> 00:04:03,986 that was what was important. 108 00:04:03,986 --> 00:04:07,113 Dr. Buccellato: Jimmy Hoffa is growing up in the Midwest 109 00:04:07,113 --> 00:04:08,616 during the Great Depression. 110 00:04:08,616 --> 00:04:11,243 He's aware of the outlaw personality. 111 00:04:11,243 --> 00:04:12,744 He's part of the community 112 00:04:12,744 --> 00:04:14,120 that is marginalized. 113 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:15,999 These communities are responding 114 00:04:15,999 --> 00:04:18,466 to people like John Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd. 115 00:04:19,250 --> 00:04:22,420 So by the time that Jimmy Hoffa becomes involved 116 00:04:22,420 --> 00:04:24,255 in labor politics, 117 00:04:24,255 --> 00:04:27,389 this is an important part of his character. 118 00:04:27,389 --> 00:04:29,511 Al: I think the lesson that Jimmy Hoffa learned 119 00:04:29,511 --> 00:04:31,805 from the Depression was to fight tooth and nail 120 00:04:31,805 --> 00:04:33,598 for everything you could get 121 00:04:33,598 --> 00:04:36,478 because Big Business and the government 122 00:04:36,478 --> 00:04:38,520 were not the friends of the working man. 123 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,546 Dr. Russell: His career thrived in large part 124 00:04:41,546 --> 00:04:45,276 in a very unregulated economy and political atmosphere 125 00:04:45,276 --> 00:04:46,945 in Detroit in the 1930s. 126 00:04:46,945 --> 00:04:50,532 He saw, in fact, that workers could succeed 127 00:04:50,532 --> 00:04:51,825 more often than not 128 00:04:51,825 --> 00:04:53,702 in that sort of jungle environment. 129 00:04:53,702 --> 00:04:55,037 George: Rum owners and guys 130 00:04:55,037 --> 00:04:56,788 who were moving liquor into the country, 131 00:04:56,788 --> 00:04:58,123 they needed trucks. 132 00:04:58,123 --> 00:05:00,259 The Teamsters were driving those trucks. 133 00:05:00,259 --> 00:05:03,795 You've got the nexus right there of the Mob, 134 00:05:03,795 --> 00:05:06,256 corruption, and laborers. 135 00:05:06,256 --> 00:05:07,883 And when Prohibition ends, 136 00:05:07,883 --> 00:05:09,593 that connections remain, 137 00:05:09,593 --> 00:05:10,803 and it just grows out of that. 138 00:05:10,803 --> 00:05:12,805 Dr. Russell: Often, owners, business owners 139 00:05:12,805 --> 00:05:16,476 would hire thugs with baseball bats and clubs 140 00:05:16,476 --> 00:05:17,601 and sometimes pistols 141 00:05:17,601 --> 00:05:20,277 to intimidate or beat union organizers. 142 00:05:20,277 --> 00:05:23,815 And quite often, those union organizers would fight back 143 00:05:23,815 --> 00:05:24,899 with violence as well, 144 00:05:24,899 --> 00:05:27,069 and so many of these battles are fought in the streets. 145 00:05:27,069 --> 00:05:29,446 Dr. Buccellato: Management and ownership 146 00:05:29,446 --> 00:05:32,714 breaking promises and breaking legs, 147 00:05:32,714 --> 00:05:37,627 it is morally acceptable to fight fire with fire. 148 00:05:37,627 --> 00:05:39,331 George: The Mob was muscle, 149 00:05:39,331 --> 00:05:42,085 and the Mob worked for whoever would hire them. 150 00:05:42,085 --> 00:05:44,389 In terms of the organized labor movement, 151 00:05:44,389 --> 00:05:46,296 there were times when corporate America, 152 00:05:46,296 --> 00:05:48,799 whether it's the garment industry or whatever, 153 00:05:48,799 --> 00:05:53,095 would hire Mob muscle to intimidate the unions. 154 00:05:53,095 --> 00:05:57,557 So it wasn't like the Mobsters were embracing 155 00:05:57,557 --> 00:05:59,435 organized labor movement in America. 156 00:05:59,435 --> 00:06:01,406 The Mobsters went wherever there was a payday. 157 00:06:01,406 --> 00:06:01,644 (upbeat music) 158 00:06:01,644 --> 00:06:02,520 Dr. Russell: And workers often found 159 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:03,730 that they could win those conflicts. 160 00:06:03,730 --> 00:06:06,316 In particular, Hoffa found that those conflicts 161 00:06:06,316 --> 00:06:08,360 could be settled through their willingness 162 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:09,652 to fight industries. 163 00:06:09,652 --> 00:06:11,572 Dr. Buccellato: For union rank and file, 164 00:06:11,572 --> 00:06:14,199 Jimmy Hoffa is a Robin Hood, 165 00:06:14,199 --> 00:06:15,077 and like Robin Hood, 166 00:06:15,077 --> 00:06:18,370 he may have to resort to extralegal acts. 167 00:06:18,370 --> 00:06:20,330 He may have to get his hands dirty. 168 00:06:20,330 --> 00:06:22,168 But in the end, his workers 169 00:06:22,168 --> 00:06:25,260 and these marginalized communities are better off. 170 00:06:25,377 --> 00:06:27,087 Dr. Russell: Hoffa was most likely involved 171 00:06:27,087 --> 00:06:28,546 in car bombings. 172 00:06:28,992 --> 00:06:32,760 You had to keep scabs out of those workplaces. 173 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:34,511 You had to keep replacement workers out, 174 00:06:34,511 --> 00:06:37,240 or else you had no power as a union leader. 175 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:38,973 Al: The first real documented proof 176 00:06:38,973 --> 00:06:41,081 of Hoffa's connection with the Mob 177 00:06:41,081 --> 00:06:43,144 comes in about 1937. 178 00:06:43,144 --> 00:06:45,563 Hoffa was married by this time, 179 00:06:45,563 --> 00:06:47,233 but he had an ex-girlfriend 180 00:06:47,233 --> 00:06:49,276 who was sort of a gangster moll, 181 00:06:49,476 --> 00:06:52,536 Sylvia Pagano, a.k.a. Sylvia Paris. 182 00:06:52,536 --> 00:06:53,572 Dr. Buccellato: At the time, 183 00:06:53,572 --> 00:06:57,704 Pagano is dating Frankie "Three Fingers" Coppola, 184 00:06:57,704 --> 00:07:00,828 a bootlegger from Los Angeles 185 00:07:00,828 --> 00:07:02,963 who has a criminal record extending back 186 00:07:02,963 --> 00:07:04,734 to his youth in Sicily. 187 00:07:05,042 --> 00:07:08,504 Pagano introduces Coppola to Hoffa, 188 00:07:08,504 --> 00:07:11,523 and they become friends right away. (camera flash) 189 00:07:12,264 --> 00:07:15,366 Al: Frank Coppola associated with Santo Perrone, 190 00:07:15,366 --> 00:07:18,597 a Detroit Sicilian mobster 191 00:07:18,597 --> 00:07:21,975 who was known for providing goons and muscle 192 00:07:21,975 --> 00:07:24,894 to either unions or to businesses, 193 00:07:24,894 --> 00:07:27,063 again, playing both sides of the fence 194 00:07:27,063 --> 00:07:29,908 in various union battles in the 1930s. 195 00:07:30,066 --> 00:07:31,654 Dr. Buccellato: They come up with a plan. 196 00:07:31,654 --> 00:07:34,904 The Mob can provide muscle to back 197 00:07:34,904 --> 00:07:37,866 this union movement that is struggling. 198 00:07:37,866 --> 00:07:39,315 The odds are against them. 199 00:07:39,315 --> 00:07:42,370 The Mob will offer access to muscle 200 00:07:42,370 --> 00:07:45,291 to defend the workers, to counterattack. 201 00:07:45,291 --> 00:07:46,332 Al: The Teamsters, at this time, 202 00:07:46,332 --> 00:07:48,209 were engaged in a brutal strike 203 00:07:48,209 --> 00:07:50,422 with the Kroger's Supermarket chain, 204 00:07:50,422 --> 00:07:51,672 people being shot, 205 00:07:51,672 --> 00:07:53,091 heads being busted, 206 00:07:53,091 --> 00:07:55,842 and supposedly, Hoffa asked his new friend, 207 00:07:55,842 --> 00:07:57,552 Santo Perrone, 208 00:07:57,552 --> 00:08:01,640 to hold his goons back and not help Kroger 209 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,350 while the Teamsters tried to fight this struggle. 210 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:07,775 Dan: The old adage about Hoffa was that 211 00:08:07,775 --> 00:08:09,731 he wound up going to the Mob 212 00:08:09,731 --> 00:08:14,360 because he was trying to use them 213 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,741 to go after stubborn employers 214 00:08:16,741 --> 00:08:18,031 who refuse to be unionized. 215 00:08:18,031 --> 00:08:21,801 In fact, he used the Mob to go after the CIO, 216 00:08:21,801 --> 00:08:23,902 which was raiding the Teamsters' turf in Detroit. 217 00:08:23,902 --> 00:08:26,086 (suspense music) 218 00:08:26,086 --> 00:08:28,584 Al: I think Jimmy Hoffa used the Mafia 219 00:08:28,584 --> 00:08:30,433 and other organized crime 220 00:08:30,433 --> 00:08:33,046 the same way he used everybody else. 221 00:08:33,046 --> 00:08:36,090 He was always the smartest guy in the room, 222 00:08:36,090 --> 00:08:40,845 and I think to say that the Mob controlled him 223 00:08:40,845 --> 00:08:44,097 or controlled the Teamsters is misleading. 224 00:08:44,097 --> 00:08:45,141 Dr. Russell: There's no evidence 225 00:08:45,141 --> 00:08:47,060 that he was ever beholden to them. 226 00:08:47,060 --> 00:08:49,863 There's no evidence that they ever dominated his unions. 227 00:08:50,688 --> 00:08:52,691 Dr. Buccellato: I don't think someone like Jimmy Hoffa 228 00:08:52,691 --> 00:08:54,067 makes a decision that, 229 00:08:54,067 --> 00:08:55,861 "Well, I'm going to become a racketeer." 230 00:08:55,861 --> 00:08:58,788 Rather, it's an organic response. 231 00:08:59,198 --> 00:09:02,492 Hoffa has an opportunity here 232 00:09:02,492 --> 00:09:06,040 to secure some type of defense 233 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:07,916 on behalf of his workers 234 00:09:07,916 --> 00:09:10,750 by forming various partnerships 235 00:09:10,750 --> 00:09:12,961 with members of the underworld. 236 00:09:12,961 --> 00:09:15,421 George: Jimmy Hoffa recognized, "This is the way to go. 237 00:09:15,421 --> 00:09:17,091 "This is the way to rise to the top, 238 00:09:17,091 --> 00:09:18,883 "and you got to get in bed with these guys, 239 00:09:18,883 --> 00:09:21,056 "and they're going to benefit and I'm going to benefit." 240 00:09:21,056 --> 00:09:22,605 Not complicated at all. 241 00:09:22,637 --> 00:09:24,013 Al: One of the most stunning claims 242 00:09:24,013 --> 00:09:25,682 about Hoffa and the Teamsters 243 00:09:25,682 --> 00:09:27,987 is that they were integral to the development 244 00:09:27,987 --> 00:09:30,436 of the global heroin trade. 245 00:09:30,436 --> 00:09:32,899 Teamster trucks and locals may have been used 246 00:09:32,899 --> 00:09:36,484 to help flood the United States with Sicilian heroin 247 00:09:36,484 --> 00:09:38,736 in aftermath of World War II. 248 00:09:38,982 --> 00:09:42,040 And it all centered around Hoffa's first friend in the Mob, 249 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,241 Frank Coppola. 250 00:09:43,241 --> 00:09:46,828 Dr. Buccellato: A number of congressional committee reports 251 00:09:46,828 --> 00:09:50,965 documented the relationship between Coppola and Hoffa 252 00:09:50,965 --> 00:09:52,016 and the Teamsters. 253 00:09:52,016 --> 00:09:55,336 Now Coppola is a really interesting character. 254 00:09:55,336 --> 00:09:56,762 He's a bootlegger in Los Angeles. 255 00:09:57,301 --> 00:10:00,759 He is a human trafficker in Mexico. 256 00:10:00,759 --> 00:10:03,678 He is a labor racketeer in Detroit. 257 00:10:03,678 --> 00:10:05,656 He's running drugs out of Cuba. 258 00:10:05,656 --> 00:10:07,098 He's all over the place. 259 00:10:07,098 --> 00:10:12,098 The United States deports Coppola in 1948. 260 00:10:12,103 --> 00:10:14,898 Communist Party is popular in Italy. 261 00:10:14,898 --> 00:10:17,901 The labor unions are gaining strength in Italy, 262 00:10:17,901 --> 00:10:22,625 and the U.S. State Department has a very real concern 263 00:10:22,625 --> 00:10:25,783 that Italy will fall into communist hands. 264 00:10:25,783 --> 00:10:30,038 And back in Sicily, he's a political power broker. 265 00:10:30,038 --> 00:10:33,335 He has unique connections to Italian senators. 266 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:38,550 His brother is a powerful member of the clergy in Sicily. 267 00:10:39,130 --> 00:10:41,008 Al: Even before the Nazis surrendered, 268 00:10:41,008 --> 00:10:42,593 the Cold War was begining, 269 00:10:42,593 --> 00:10:45,430 and the U.S. government was making deals with criminals 270 00:10:45,430 --> 00:10:47,473 in former Fascism Europe 271 00:10:47,473 --> 00:10:49,884 to help fight a dirty war against communism. 272 00:10:50,007 --> 00:10:53,702 In Italy, this was known as Operation Gladio. 273 00:10:53,702 --> 00:10:56,105 Mafia boss of bosses, Lucky Luciano, 274 00:10:56,105 --> 00:10:58,075 was working with the U.S. government, 275 00:10:58,075 --> 00:11:02,195 and so was Jimmy Hoffa's old friend, Frank Coppola. 276 00:11:02,195 --> 00:11:03,238 (sinister music) 277 00:11:03,238 --> 00:11:05,532 Dan: Coppola and Luciano got together 278 00:11:05,532 --> 00:11:07,867 and created a drug network. 279 00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:10,828 From Montreal, there were two routes. 280 00:11:10,828 --> 00:11:12,830 One was straight South into New York, 281 00:11:12,830 --> 00:11:14,291 where it was handled by 282 00:11:14,291 --> 00:11:16,660 a guy from the Bonanno crime family, 283 00:11:16,660 --> 00:11:19,170 a guy named Carmine Galante, 284 00:11:19,170 --> 00:11:24,170 and then across Canada, over the Detroit River into Detroit. 285 00:11:26,136 --> 00:11:28,680 Dr. Buccellato: Congressional committee reports identified 286 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:32,979 Priziola and Quasarano as two of the most significant 287 00:11:32,979 --> 00:11:36,104 and important drug traffickers in North America. 288 00:11:36,104 --> 00:11:38,275 Dan: And Jimmy Hoffa, in order to give these guys 289 00:11:38,275 --> 00:11:40,109 a facade of legitimacy, 290 00:11:40,109 --> 00:11:43,319 he set up a dummy local for them, 291 00:11:43,319 --> 00:11:45,780 Teamsters local for them to operate out of. 292 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:48,070 Dr. Buccellato: And the evidence suggests 293 00:11:48,070 --> 00:11:50,327 that for quite some time, 294 00:11:50,327 --> 00:11:53,872 New York Mafiosi were buying their heroin 295 00:11:53,872 --> 00:11:56,101 from the Detroit suppliers. 296 00:11:56,101 --> 00:11:59,252 Did Hoffa know about the narcotics trafficking? 297 00:11:59,252 --> 00:12:00,962 I can't prove that. 298 00:12:00,962 --> 00:12:04,769 I suspect that someone as smart as Hoffa 299 00:12:04,769 --> 00:12:09,303 would not want to know about what was going on, 300 00:12:09,303 --> 00:12:13,725 but I've interviewed retired federal agents from FBN, 301 00:12:14,494 --> 00:12:16,590 and they contend that within their offices, 302 00:12:16,590 --> 00:12:18,688 it was well known that the Teamsters 303 00:12:18,688 --> 00:12:20,690 were protecting these drug traffickers. 304 00:12:20,690 --> 00:12:23,160 (suspense music) 305 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,529 Al: In 1952, Dave Beck became 306 00:12:25,529 --> 00:12:27,227 the new president of the Teamsters, 307 00:12:27,227 --> 00:12:30,116 and Jimmy Hoffa became vice president. 308 00:12:30,116 --> 00:12:31,785 This was the peak moment 309 00:12:31,785 --> 00:12:34,263 for the union movement in the United States, 310 00:12:34,263 --> 00:12:37,083 the most members, the strongest voice, 311 00:12:37,083 --> 00:12:38,424 the most power. 312 00:12:38,665 --> 00:12:42,170 Dr. Russell: And government leaders and business leaders 313 00:12:42,170 --> 00:12:43,673 both wanted to curb that. 314 00:12:43,673 --> 00:12:45,756 They wanted to curb the union movement. 315 00:12:45,756 --> 00:12:49,218 And it's crucial to understand that that period 316 00:12:49,218 --> 00:12:53,197 coincided with the rise in labor regulation, 317 00:12:53,197 --> 00:12:54,854 especially from the federal government. 318 00:12:54,854 --> 00:12:57,077 So in the '30s, when Hoffa was coming up, 319 00:12:57,077 --> 00:13:00,021 he was faced with constant competition from other unions, 320 00:13:00,021 --> 00:13:02,243 which forced him to be militant and accountable 321 00:13:02,243 --> 00:13:03,358 to his members. 322 00:13:03,358 --> 00:13:05,485 It forced him to be a good union leader. 323 00:13:05,485 --> 00:13:08,613 By the 1950s, it was all but impossible 324 00:13:08,613 --> 00:13:10,581 for unions to compete against one another. 325 00:13:10,782 --> 00:13:14,703 Al: So now with no outside elements left to fight, 326 00:13:14,703 --> 00:13:17,156 Jimmy Hoffa turns his attentions inward. 327 00:13:17,156 --> 00:13:20,398 He goes after his own president, Dave Beck. 328 00:13:21,068 --> 00:13:25,338 And Hoffa makes a deal with some really bad people, 329 00:13:25,338 --> 00:13:27,884 (sinister music) 330 00:13:27,884 --> 00:13:31,264 including a New York racketeer named Johnny Dio. 331 00:13:31,264 --> 00:13:32,678 Dio was infamous. 332 00:13:32,678 --> 00:13:35,306 He had been implicated in an acid attack 333 00:13:35,306 --> 00:13:37,900 on crusading journalist, Victor Riesel, 334 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:39,415 where acid was thrown in his face 335 00:13:39,415 --> 00:13:41,362 and he was blinded permanently. 336 00:13:41,691 --> 00:13:43,314 George: Did the American labor movement 337 00:13:43,314 --> 00:13:44,915 go off track to a certain degree? 338 00:13:44,915 --> 00:13:46,025 Yeah, for sure, it did. 339 00:13:46,025 --> 00:13:47,653 But did corporate America go off track? 340 00:13:47,653 --> 00:13:48,736 Sure, it did. 341 00:13:49,674 --> 00:13:51,509 It's almost a human condition 342 00:13:51,509 --> 00:13:52,858 when you've got that much power, 343 00:13:52,858 --> 00:13:54,710 that much status, that much wealth. 344 00:13:55,183 --> 00:13:58,664 Al: So meanwhile, Hoffa has an un-yet known nemesis 345 00:13:58,664 --> 00:14:01,847 crisscrossing the country trying to bring him down, 346 00:14:01,847 --> 00:14:03,001 Bobby Kennedy, 347 00:14:03,001 --> 00:14:05,253 who's working for John McClellan, 348 00:14:05,253 --> 00:14:07,967 a senator running a Senate investigation 349 00:14:07,967 --> 00:14:10,261 into labor and union corruption. 350 00:14:10,261 --> 00:14:12,760 Dr. Russell: The McClellan hearings was also a means 351 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,846 through which to attack the union movement 352 00:14:15,846 --> 00:14:18,099 in terms of public relations, 353 00:14:18,099 --> 00:14:21,270 that the movement was full of goons and criminals, 354 00:14:21,270 --> 00:14:22,311 people like Jimmy Hoffa, 355 00:14:22,311 --> 00:14:24,330 and that's really the purpose it served. 356 00:14:24,330 --> 00:14:25,982 Al: Hoffa knew he was next to be called 357 00:14:25,982 --> 00:14:27,567 in front of the Senate, 358 00:14:27,567 --> 00:14:28,776 but he had a plan. 359 00:14:28,776 --> 00:14:32,738 He tried to plant a spy right inside Bobby Kennedy's office. 360 00:14:32,738 --> 00:14:34,577 Dan: Hoffa, trying to keep tabs 361 00:14:34,577 --> 00:14:37,359 on what the Senate committee was doing, 362 00:14:37,359 --> 00:14:40,830 was introduced to a guy named John Cye Cheasty. 363 00:14:40,830 --> 00:14:42,498 Cheasty was an honest guy, 364 00:14:42,498 --> 00:14:44,127 and he went to Bobby Kennedy's people, 365 00:14:44,127 --> 00:14:45,919 and he said, "Listen, Jimmy Hoffa has come to me 366 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:47,462 "and made me this offer." 367 00:14:47,462 --> 00:14:50,047 Al: So Kennedy and Cheasty set Hoffa up. 368 00:14:50,047 --> 00:14:52,550 When he goes to pass the money off to Cheasty, 369 00:14:52,550 --> 00:14:54,468 the FBI is there to arrest him. 370 00:14:54,668 --> 00:14:56,674 Dan: He gives the documents to Jimmy Hoffa. 371 00:14:56,674 --> 00:14:59,106 Jimmy Hoffa gives him the money. 372 00:14:59,807 --> 00:15:03,146 This is all memorialized on film, 373 00:15:03,146 --> 00:15:07,774 and Hoffa is indicted, charged with extortion. 374 00:15:07,774 --> 00:15:10,151 Keith: He was represented by Edward Bennett Williams, 375 00:15:10,151 --> 00:15:13,655 who was the premiere criminal defense attorney in America. 376 00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:17,992 He, being Williams, arranged to have 377 00:15:17,992 --> 00:15:20,122 Joe Lewis sit in the front row. 378 00:15:20,122 --> 00:15:23,497 And when the jury selection was going on, 379 00:15:23,497 --> 00:15:25,583 he shook hands with Joe Lewis. 380 00:15:25,583 --> 00:15:27,419 It's difficult again today 381 00:15:27,419 --> 00:15:30,255 to go back to realize what a symbol 382 00:15:30,255 --> 00:15:33,341 to the African-American community Joe Lewis was 383 00:15:33,341 --> 00:15:35,218 in the '50s and the '60s, 384 00:15:35,218 --> 00:15:37,428 and this was a carefully orchestrated event 385 00:15:37,428 --> 00:15:40,188 to give Jimmy Hoffa some credibility. 386 00:15:40,188 --> 00:15:42,017 Dan: The jury comes out, 387 00:15:42,663 --> 00:15:45,645 and sure enough, Jimmy Hoffa is acquitted. 388 00:15:45,645 --> 00:15:49,232 Al: August of '57, fresh off his victory at trial, 389 00:15:49,232 --> 00:15:51,109 Jimmy Hoffa is finally called 390 00:15:51,109 --> 00:15:54,237 in front of the McClellan Committee on Labor Corruption, 391 00:15:54,237 --> 00:15:56,449 and he and Bobby Kennedy go at it. 392 00:15:56,449 --> 00:16:00,486 Dan: The hatred between Bobby Kennedy and Jimmy Hoffa 393 00:16:00,486 --> 00:16:02,710 was of mythical proportions. 394 00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:03,918 Dr. Russell: Kennedy really had 395 00:16:03,918 --> 00:16:05,623 a paternalist image of the world. 396 00:16:05,623 --> 00:16:08,584 He was a wealthy boy who was raised 397 00:16:08,584 --> 00:16:10,923 with this idea of noblesse oblige, 398 00:16:10,923 --> 00:16:12,380 the idea that the wealthy 399 00:16:12,380 --> 00:16:14,683 are obligated to help their lessers. 400 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:18,011 He had to remove the dictators who were oppressing 401 00:16:18,011 --> 00:16:19,555 the people of the Third World. 402 00:16:19,555 --> 00:16:21,824 He had to remove the dictators from within the unions 403 00:16:21,824 --> 00:16:23,311 who were oppressing the working class, 404 00:16:23,311 --> 00:16:24,443 like Jimmy Hoffa. 405 00:16:25,017 --> 00:16:27,770 Al: I think Bobby Kennedy saw all this as a chance 406 00:16:27,770 --> 00:16:30,356 to get himself some national exposure, 407 00:16:30,356 --> 00:16:33,659 probably at his father, Joe Kennedy's suggestion. 408 00:16:34,235 --> 00:16:36,446 By creating a mythology of Hoffa 409 00:16:36,446 --> 00:16:38,614 being so dangerous to America, 410 00:16:38,614 --> 00:16:41,283 a tactic he learned at the feet of Joe McCarthy, 411 00:16:41,283 --> 00:16:43,744 who was actually a family friend of the Kennedys, 412 00:16:43,744 --> 00:16:47,354 he made himself into a hero protecting America 413 00:16:47,354 --> 00:16:50,009 from the bad men like Jimmy Hoffa. 414 00:16:50,544 --> 00:16:52,879 Dan: Bobby Kennedy thought that Jimmy Hoffa 415 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:55,806 was an enemy of orthodox society. 416 00:16:56,090 --> 00:17:00,094 He believed that with Hoffa having the ability 417 00:17:00,094 --> 00:17:03,413 to shut down this country with his control 418 00:17:03,413 --> 00:17:05,396 over the trucking union 419 00:17:05,396 --> 00:17:07,237 that he was a national security threat. 420 00:17:07,237 --> 00:17:08,310 (sinister music) 421 00:17:08,310 --> 00:17:10,477 and he believed that Hoffa's association 422 00:17:10,477 --> 00:17:11,582 with organized crime 423 00:17:11,582 --> 00:17:14,534 just quadrupled the threat to this country. 424 00:17:14,682 --> 00:17:16,982 Consequently, Jimmy Hoffa was a person 425 00:17:16,982 --> 00:17:18,537 who had to be stopped. 426 00:17:18,613 --> 00:17:20,826 Dr. Russell: He was also a very Christian man, 427 00:17:20,826 --> 00:17:24,243 with the idea that the holy should save and redeem 428 00:17:24,243 --> 00:17:27,796 and uplift those who have not been saved. 429 00:17:27,872 --> 00:17:32,795 He saw the whole world as a group of people 430 00:17:32,795 --> 00:17:34,743 inferior to himself 431 00:17:34,743 --> 00:17:37,132 who needed to be raised to his level. 432 00:17:37,132 --> 00:17:39,184 (suspense music) 433 00:17:39,484 --> 00:17:40,344 (dramatic music) 434 00:17:40,344 --> 00:17:42,697 Dr. Buccellato: I don't think Hoffa ever viewed himself 435 00:17:42,697 --> 00:17:43,718 as a racketeer. 436 00:17:43,718 --> 00:17:46,599 In fact, to the extent that he acknowledged 437 00:17:46,599 --> 00:17:49,268 his relationships with the underworld, 438 00:17:49,268 --> 00:17:52,526 he was actually unapologetic about it. 439 00:17:52,526 --> 00:17:53,940 Robert Kennedy: Did you say, 440 00:17:53,940 --> 00:17:56,008 "That SOB, I'll break his back?" 441 00:17:56,008 --> 00:17:56,914 Jimmy Hoffa: Who? 442 00:17:56,914 --> 00:17:57,966 Robert Kennedy: You. 443 00:17:57,966 --> 00:17:58,904 Jimmy Hoffa: Say it to who? 444 00:17:58,904 --> 00:18:00,113 Robert Kennedy: To anyone. 445 00:18:00,113 --> 00:18:02,281 Did you make that statement after these people 446 00:18:02,281 --> 00:18:04,037 testified before the committee? 447 00:18:04,037 --> 00:18:06,164 Whose back were you going to break, Mr. Hoffa? 448 00:18:06,164 --> 00:18:07,090 Jimmy Hoffa: Figurative speech. 449 00:18:07,090 --> 00:18:08,359 I don't even know who I was talking about, 450 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,215 and I don't know what you're talking about. 451 00:18:10,250 --> 00:18:13,668 Al: As for Bobby, his father, Joe's money and influence, 452 00:18:13,668 --> 00:18:15,582 were the only reason the Kennedy brothers 453 00:18:15,582 --> 00:18:18,046 were such rising stars on the political scene 454 00:18:18,046 --> 00:18:19,924 at such a young age. 455 00:18:19,924 --> 00:18:22,117 Dr. Russell: The federal government really had no business 456 00:18:22,117 --> 00:18:23,344 in intervening in that. 457 00:18:23,344 --> 00:18:25,054 But Bobby Kennedy saw to it anyway, 458 00:18:25,054 --> 00:18:26,555 and in many ways, 459 00:18:26,555 --> 00:18:29,225 he and the Democratic leadership, 460 00:18:29,225 --> 00:18:31,147 with the CIO leadership, 461 00:18:31,147 --> 00:18:34,021 really put a web of constraints about, 462 00:18:34,021 --> 00:18:35,356 around the labor movement 463 00:18:35,356 --> 00:18:37,872 that destroyed labor activism. 464 00:18:42,446 --> 00:18:45,311 Al: Some of his close associates claimed 465 00:18:45,311 --> 00:18:49,370 he would write a check to the boss and archdiocese, 466 00:18:49,370 --> 00:18:51,414 say, for a million dollars. 467 00:18:51,414 --> 00:18:54,835 The archdiocese would take 900,000 in cash 468 00:18:54,835 --> 00:18:56,711 from the parishioners' contributions 469 00:18:56,711 --> 00:18:58,128 and give it to Kennedy. 470 00:18:58,128 --> 00:19:01,051 Kennedy then could write off his million dollar donation, 471 00:19:01,051 --> 00:19:04,010 and he had 900,000 in cash to pass around 472 00:19:04,010 --> 00:19:05,219 and grease palms 473 00:19:05,219 --> 00:19:06,679 to help his two sons get elected. 474 00:19:06,679 --> 00:19:07,888 (suspense music) 475 00:19:07,888 --> 00:19:10,808 So it must have been a real bitter pill 476 00:19:10,808 --> 00:19:12,726 for Jimmy Hoffa to swallow 477 00:19:12,726 --> 00:19:15,272 to sit in front of that Senate committee 478 00:19:15,272 --> 00:19:16,856 and be browbeaten (sinister music) 479 00:19:16,856 --> 00:19:19,658 by the likes of the son of Joe Kennedy. 480 00:19:21,819 --> 00:19:23,404 The hearings eventually ended, 481 00:19:23,404 --> 00:19:26,199 and Teamster president, Dave Beck, got indicted 482 00:19:26,199 --> 00:19:27,533 and sent to prison, 483 00:19:27,533 --> 00:19:30,544 and Jimmy Hoffa became Teamsters president. 484 00:19:31,454 --> 00:19:33,706 So now, Jimmy Hoffa has the power, 485 00:19:33,706 --> 00:19:34,957 and it's time to pay back 486 00:19:34,957 --> 00:19:36,625 the people who helped him get there, 487 00:19:36,625 --> 00:19:38,836 and one of the ways he could do that 488 00:19:38,836 --> 00:19:41,180 was with the Teamsters pension fund. 489 00:19:41,465 --> 00:19:45,885 Dan: Which was operated by a hastily thrown together 490 00:19:45,885 --> 00:19:48,221 insurance company called Union Casualty, 491 00:19:48,221 --> 00:19:50,890 which was run by a guy named Paul Dorfman 492 00:19:51,090 --> 00:19:53,059 and his son, Allan Dorfman. 493 00:19:53,059 --> 00:19:55,770 Keith: Huge amounts of the Las Vegas Strip 494 00:19:55,770 --> 00:19:59,358 were financed with loans from the Central State Pension fund 495 00:19:59,358 --> 00:20:02,068 which was under the control of Jimmy Hoffa. 496 00:20:02,068 --> 00:20:04,718 Al: The Tropicana, the Circus Circus, 497 00:20:04,718 --> 00:20:06,702 the Aladdin, Caesars Palace, 498 00:20:06,702 --> 00:20:09,617 the Hacienda, the Stardust, the Fremont, 499 00:20:09,617 --> 00:20:12,411 all of them funded with Teamster pension money 500 00:20:12,411 --> 00:20:13,755 and all of them mobbed up. 501 00:20:13,755 --> 00:20:14,498 (sinister music) 502 00:20:14,498 --> 00:20:16,207 Dr. Russell: So what gets lost in all of this talk 503 00:20:16,207 --> 00:20:17,734 about the Teamster's pensions 504 00:20:17,734 --> 00:20:21,545 and how it went to Las Vegas and other Mafia endeavors, 505 00:20:22,006 --> 00:20:23,298 which is all true, 506 00:20:23,713 --> 00:20:28,015 it is also true their pensions were tremendous. 507 00:20:28,015 --> 00:20:30,221 They were much higher than they would have been 508 00:20:30,221 --> 00:20:31,772 have Hoffa not existed. 509 00:20:31,931 --> 00:20:33,641 Even during his corrupt phase, 510 00:20:33,641 --> 00:20:35,560 they were getting very wealthy pensions. 511 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,561 They were getting wages that were far higher 512 00:20:37,561 --> 00:20:39,863 than truck drivers were making 20 years earlier. 513 00:20:40,398 --> 00:20:44,875 Jimmy Hoffa: Nobody in this country respects what's weak, 514 00:20:44,875 --> 00:20:46,436 you believe me. 515 00:20:46,621 --> 00:20:49,365 But because we are financially solid, 516 00:20:49,365 --> 00:20:51,450 because we do have an organization 517 00:20:51,450 --> 00:20:54,258 that is equipped to handle any situation 518 00:20:54,258 --> 00:20:56,247 that comes in front of us, 519 00:20:56,692 --> 00:20:59,117 we're successful in getting from the employers 520 00:20:59,117 --> 00:21:01,962 what our members want and need with our strengths. 521 00:21:01,962 --> 00:21:04,339 George: Chicago, Cleveland, Kansas City, 522 00:21:04,339 --> 00:21:05,340 they would rack the money up 523 00:21:05,340 --> 00:21:07,466 depending on which mob families 524 00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:09,680 had a piece of that particular casino. 525 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,847 The number varies from 12 million to 20 million a year, 526 00:21:12,847 --> 00:21:15,892 from six casinos to 10 casinos, however many. 527 00:21:15,892 --> 00:21:18,259 Al: The Jewish Dorfman was a towering figure 528 00:21:18,259 --> 00:21:19,812 in organized crime 529 00:21:19,812 --> 00:21:21,563 and wasn't afraid of violence. 530 00:21:21,563 --> 00:21:26,068 Dan: I got an anonymous call to meet a source 531 00:21:26,529 --> 00:21:29,038 who's going to give me information about Dorfman. 532 00:21:29,113 --> 00:21:32,702 Broad daylight, public place, I'd even hesitate to go, 533 00:21:32,702 --> 00:21:36,163 and I got jumped there and I got really ... 534 00:21:36,163 --> 00:21:37,913 It was the worst beating I've ever taken. 535 00:21:37,913 --> 00:21:40,124 George: A lot of them were prosecuted. 536 00:21:40,124 --> 00:21:41,751 A lot of the guys who were involved in this 537 00:21:41,751 --> 00:21:43,627 were indicted and went to jail, 538 00:21:43,627 --> 00:21:46,048 but it was all about cooking the books. 539 00:21:46,048 --> 00:21:48,026 Al: The story of Allan Dorfman in Las Vegas 540 00:21:48,026 --> 00:21:51,844 was dramatized in Martin Scorcese's movie, "Casino," 541 00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:54,818 and Dorfman himself was gunned down in Chicago 542 00:21:54,818 --> 00:21:56,437 in the early 1980s. 543 00:21:56,437 --> 00:21:58,058 Newscaster: Here in Chicago this afternoon, 544 00:21:58,058 --> 00:22:01,485 Allan Dorfman, a man with reported ties to organized crime 545 00:22:01,485 --> 00:22:04,064 and to the Teamsters union for the past 30 years, 546 00:22:04,064 --> 00:22:06,454 was shot to death in what police are describing 547 00:22:06,454 --> 00:22:08,319 as a gangland-style execution. 548 00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:09,737 Voiceover: Dorfman died here 549 00:22:09,737 --> 00:22:11,364 in a suburban Chicago parking lot 550 00:22:11,364 --> 00:22:15,076 from as many as seven 22-caliber gunshot wounds to the head. 551 00:22:15,076 --> 00:22:16,842 Reporter: Dorfman was about to go to prison 552 00:22:16,842 --> 00:22:18,037 for his conviction last month 553 00:22:18,037 --> 00:22:20,330 in the Teamsters bribery conspiracy trial. 554 00:22:21,068 --> 00:22:25,211 (triumphant music) 555 00:22:25,211 --> 00:22:25,854 Voiceover: From his stronghold 556 00:22:25,854 --> 00:22:28,297 in the wild Sierra Maestra mountains, 557 00:22:28,297 --> 00:22:30,467 Cuba's Fidel Castro emerged triumphant 558 00:22:30,467 --> 00:22:32,093 after two years of guerilla warfare 559 00:22:32,093 --> 00:22:33,677 against the Batista regime. 560 00:22:33,677 --> 00:22:36,438 Al: In the late '50s, Jimmy Hoffa got himself mixed up 561 00:22:36,438 --> 00:22:40,934 in the deepest levels of America's secret politics. 562 00:22:40,934 --> 00:22:43,438 When Fidel Castro seized power in Cuba, 563 00:22:43,438 --> 00:22:46,316 Dwight Eisenhower told the CIA to kill him. 564 00:22:46,316 --> 00:22:49,026 But of course, this was easier said than done 565 00:22:49,026 --> 00:22:51,070 because the hit could never be linked back 566 00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:52,571 to the U.S. government. 567 00:22:52,571 --> 00:22:57,571 So, unbelievably, the CIA contacted the Mafia 568 00:22:57,934 --> 00:23:00,037 to help them kill Fidel Castro. 569 00:23:00,037 --> 00:23:02,706 Mob bosses like Santo Trafficante, 570 00:23:02,706 --> 00:23:05,293 Carlos Marcello, and Meyer Lansky 571 00:23:05,293 --> 00:23:07,252 had lost tens of millions of dollars 572 00:23:07,252 --> 00:23:09,481 when Castro seized power, 573 00:23:09,481 --> 00:23:11,794 and they were the ones that had the connections 574 00:23:11,794 --> 00:23:13,802 to the Cuban exile community 575 00:23:13,802 --> 00:23:16,637 that could help the CIA get poison in 576 00:23:16,637 --> 00:23:19,565 or get an assassin and take Castro out. 577 00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:23,227 The CIA's first contact with the Mob 578 00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:25,479 may well have been through Jimmy Hoffa. 579 00:23:25,479 --> 00:23:29,575 During this time, Hoffa's right-hand man, Rolland McMaster, 580 00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:31,735 a high-ranking Teamster official, 581 00:23:31,735 --> 00:23:33,112 went down to Florida, 582 00:23:33,112 --> 00:23:35,198 set up a Teamster office in Miami, 583 00:23:35,198 --> 00:23:37,366 which was full of Cuban exiles, 584 00:23:37,366 --> 00:23:40,078 was a hotbed of anti-Castro activity. 585 00:23:40,078 --> 00:23:42,788 And right inside the Teamster office in Miami, 586 00:23:42,788 --> 00:23:44,373 Santo Trafficante, 587 00:23:44,373 --> 00:23:46,751 one of the most powerful mob bosses in the country, 588 00:23:46,751 --> 00:23:48,261 had an office. 589 00:23:49,045 --> 00:23:51,370 Dan: A guy named Bob Mayhew came in, 590 00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:53,508 was brought in to the plots 591 00:23:53,508 --> 00:23:55,676 by the head of Covert Operations 592 00:23:55,676 --> 00:23:57,803 for the Central Intelligence Agency. 593 00:23:57,803 --> 00:24:00,033 Al: Robert Mayhew, incidentally, 594 00:24:00,033 --> 00:24:01,982 was close friends and business partners 595 00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:05,561 with Jimmy Hoffa's old lawyer, Edward Bennett Williams, 596 00:24:05,561 --> 00:24:08,822 and shared office space with him back in Washington D.C. 597 00:24:09,106 --> 00:24:13,004 Dan: I interviewed Mayhew just a few blocks from here 598 00:24:13,004 --> 00:24:15,738 at the Georgetown Inn here in Washington. 599 00:24:16,168 --> 00:24:21,017 He told me that his job was to get to Santo Trafficante, 600 00:24:21,017 --> 00:24:22,660 who had been released from the Cuban prison 601 00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:24,374 after he had been imprisoned by Castro 602 00:24:24,374 --> 00:24:27,674 in April of '59. 603 00:24:29,214 --> 00:24:32,047 But Mayhew didn't know Trafficante. 604 00:24:32,047 --> 00:24:34,047 He knew that it was going to take a boss 605 00:24:34,047 --> 00:24:35,591 to deal with another boss, 606 00:24:35,591 --> 00:24:37,092 but he didn't know a boss. 607 00:24:37,092 --> 00:24:39,386 But he did know a guy named Johnny Roselli, 608 00:24:39,386 --> 00:24:42,139 and so Bob Mayhew worked with Johnny Roselli, 609 00:24:42,139 --> 00:24:43,434 who brought in ... 610 00:24:43,434 --> 00:24:45,601 Johnny Roselli was a Chicago gangster, 611 00:24:45,601 --> 00:24:47,710 and so he brings in Sam Giancana, 612 00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:51,316 who, at the time, was the acting boss in Chicago, 613 00:24:51,316 --> 00:24:54,235 and it was Sam Giancana who brings in Santo Trafficante 614 00:24:54,235 --> 00:24:57,832 into what becomes a CIA-Mafia plot to kill Castro. 615 00:24:58,239 --> 00:25:01,075 We have evidence to the fact that Jimmy Hoffa 616 00:25:01,075 --> 00:25:05,078 was the original liaison between the CIA and the Mafia 617 00:25:05,078 --> 00:25:07,040 and the Castro assassination plots 618 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,834 during that period between December 1959 619 00:25:09,834 --> 00:25:11,752 and August of 1960, 620 00:25:11,752 --> 00:25:14,922 when Bob Mayhew became involved in those plots. 621 00:25:14,922 --> 00:25:18,723 Al: While the CIA-mob plots to kill Castro obviously failed, 622 00:25:18,723 --> 00:25:21,428 they did have profound consequences, 623 00:25:21,428 --> 00:25:22,721 (sinister music) which likely culminated 624 00:25:22,721 --> 00:25:26,442 in the murder of President Kennedy in Dallas in 1963. 625 00:25:26,562 --> 00:25:29,103 The CIA's bungled maneuvering had created 626 00:25:29,103 --> 00:25:31,146 a dangerous nexus of players, 627 00:25:31,146 --> 00:25:33,774 ranging from Hoffa and the Teamsters 628 00:25:33,774 --> 00:25:36,278 to Cuban dissidents, mob bosses, 629 00:25:36,278 --> 00:25:37,028 (camera click) 630 00:25:37,028 --> 00:25:40,072 and fringe characters like Lee Harvey Oswald. 631 00:25:40,072 --> 00:25:42,617 Dan: So when Bobby Kennedy became Attorney General, 632 00:25:42,617 --> 00:25:45,869 he had a hit list of organized crime figures 633 00:25:45,869 --> 00:25:49,838 and their associates whom he had targeted for prosecution, 634 00:25:49,838 --> 00:25:53,168 and number one on that hit list was Jimmy Hoffa. 635 00:25:53,168 --> 00:25:55,129 Al: Dan Moldea wrote the seminal book 636 00:25:55,129 --> 00:25:57,047 on Hoffa and the Teamsters 637 00:25:57,047 --> 00:26:00,843 right in the immediate aftermath of Hoffa's disappearance, 638 00:26:00,843 --> 00:26:03,554 and he is convinced that New Orleans mob boss, 639 00:26:03,554 --> 00:26:05,139 Carlos Marcello, 640 00:26:05,139 --> 00:26:07,557 who had his own run-ins with Bobby Kennedy, 641 00:26:07,557 --> 00:26:09,810 conspired with Hoffa and others 642 00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:12,493 to somehow manipulate Lee Harvey Oswald 643 00:26:12,493 --> 00:26:14,482 into killing JFK 644 00:26:14,666 --> 00:26:18,861 and then had Mafia associate Jack Ruby kill Oswald 645 00:26:18,861 --> 00:26:19,349 (gunshot) 646 00:26:19,349 --> 00:26:21,035 before he could spill the story. 647 00:26:21,035 --> 00:26:22,056 Voiceover: He's been shot. 648 00:26:22,056 --> 00:26:23,574 He's been shot. 649 00:26:23,574 --> 00:26:25,668 Lee Oswald has been shot. 650 00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:30,479 Dan: That the murder of John Kennedy is a straight mob hit. 651 00:26:30,479 --> 00:26:34,710 Jimmy Hoffa, Carlos Marcello, Santo Trafficante 652 00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:36,211 arranged and executed the murder. 653 00:26:36,211 --> 00:26:38,589 Al: Marcello, Hoffa, and Trafficante 654 00:26:38,589 --> 00:26:40,299 did share the same lawyer, 655 00:26:40,299 --> 00:26:42,009 a guy named Frank Ragano, 656 00:26:42,009 --> 00:26:44,098 who made the claim years later, 657 00:26:44,098 --> 00:26:45,764 when he was trying to sell a book, 658 00:26:45,764 --> 00:26:48,307 (camera flash) that Hoffa had him carry 659 00:26:48,307 --> 00:26:53,307 the contract to kill JFK to Marcello and Trafficante. 660 00:26:53,395 --> 00:26:57,858 Dan: The mob guys were absolutely horrified 661 00:26:57,858 --> 00:26:59,147 as to what was going on, 662 00:26:59,147 --> 00:27:00,861 saying that they were going to have to go back to Europe 663 00:27:00,861 --> 00:27:02,112 just to feed themselves, 664 00:27:02,112 --> 00:27:05,884 that Bobby Kennedy was just destroying their businesses, 665 00:27:05,884 --> 00:27:07,827 that they would die themselves 666 00:27:07,827 --> 00:27:10,595 if they could get rid of Bobby Kennedy as Attorney General. 667 00:27:10,595 --> 00:27:11,539 (slow beat music) Al: I think the Kennedys 668 00:27:11,539 --> 00:27:14,133 were definitely playing both sides of the fence 669 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,102 when it came to organized crime. 670 00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:16,626 (sinister music) 671 00:27:16,626 --> 00:27:19,046 The FBI actually recorded a wiretap 672 00:27:19,046 --> 00:27:23,717 between Chicago mobsters Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli 673 00:27:23,717 --> 00:27:28,139 that their donation to JFK's campaign had been accepted 674 00:27:28,139 --> 00:27:29,986 but that Bobby Kennedy wouldn't let up 675 00:27:29,986 --> 00:27:31,312 on them and their friends. 676 00:27:31,312 --> 00:27:32,692 (suspense music) 677 00:27:33,149 --> 00:27:35,854 (dramatic music) 678 00:27:35,854 --> 00:27:38,315 It was his fourth criminal trial in 10 years, 679 00:27:38,315 --> 00:27:41,445 but this time, Bobby Kennedy had a new trick up his sleeve. 680 00:27:41,445 --> 00:27:43,746 He had a mole inside Hoffa's camp 681 00:27:43,746 --> 00:27:46,825 that was feeding him information as the trial was going on. 682 00:27:46,825 --> 00:27:47,910 Dan: The person who ended up 683 00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:50,014 being the key government witness 684 00:27:50,014 --> 00:27:53,955 against Jimmy Hoffa was a guy named Ed Grady Partin 685 00:27:53,955 --> 00:27:56,629 from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Local Five. 686 00:27:56,629 --> 00:27:58,211 He was a Teamster official. 687 00:27:58,211 --> 00:28:02,756 And Ed Partin had knowledge of the fixing of the jury. 688 00:28:02,756 --> 00:28:04,861 In fact, when he called the Justice Department 689 00:28:04,861 --> 00:28:06,469 and spoke with Walter Sheridan, 690 00:28:06,469 --> 00:28:07,844 who was the head of Bobby Kennedy's 691 00:28:07,844 --> 00:28:09,221 "Get Hoffa Squad," 692 00:28:09,221 --> 00:28:12,599 he said flat out, "Hoffa is fixing to fix the jury." 693 00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,936 Al: The problem with all this was Ed Partin himself. 694 00:28:15,936 --> 00:28:18,547 Partin supplied Kennedy with the inside info 695 00:28:18,547 --> 00:28:21,233 to convict Hoffa on jury tampering, 696 00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:25,320 but Partin was a guy who've been arrested for everything, 697 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,578 from manslaughter to embezzling union funds, 698 00:28:28,578 --> 00:28:32,577 and he was actually out on bail for those crimes 699 00:28:32,577 --> 00:28:34,871 when he miraculously saw the light 700 00:28:34,871 --> 00:28:36,915 and decided to help get Hoffa. 701 00:28:36,915 --> 00:28:37,875 Dan: And one of the reasons 702 00:28:37,875 --> 00:28:39,709 why Ed Partin had stepped forward 703 00:28:39,709 --> 00:28:42,880 was because Jimmy Hoffa had told him 704 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,063 that he was planning to kill Bobby Kennedy. 705 00:28:45,382 --> 00:28:47,696 When Walter Sheridan heard this information, 706 00:28:47,696 --> 00:28:49,678 they immediately put him on a polygraph, 707 00:28:50,247 --> 00:28:52,349 not just about the jury tampering business 708 00:28:52,349 --> 00:28:53,890 but about the attempted, 709 00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:56,651 the plot to murder Bobby Kennedy. 710 00:28:56,768 --> 00:28:59,515 Ed Partin passed the polygraph test on everything, 711 00:28:59,897 --> 00:29:00,947 flying colors. 712 00:29:02,027 --> 00:29:05,826 September of 1962, another FBI informant 713 00:29:05,826 --> 00:29:08,905 was talking to a Mafia guy named Carlos Marcello, 714 00:29:08,905 --> 00:29:11,507 who probably controlled Jimmy Hoffa. 715 00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:15,371 And Marcello said, "We're not killing Bobby Kennedy 716 00:29:15,371 --> 00:29:19,124 "because everyone would know in two seconds who did it 717 00:29:19,124 --> 00:29:21,669 "if Bobby Kennedy was found dead. 718 00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:23,504 "We're going to kill the president, 719 00:29:23,504 --> 00:29:25,589 "the guy who controls Bobby Kennedy. 720 00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:26,799 "If you get rid of the president, 721 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,134 "you get rid of Bobby Kennedy, 722 00:29:28,134 --> 00:29:30,143 "and we've got a guy to do the job." 723 00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:34,623 Marcello's partner, alter ego, Santo Trafficante, 724 00:29:34,623 --> 00:29:36,892 the Mafia boss of Tampa, Florida, 725 00:29:36,892 --> 00:29:39,478 was talking to another FBI informant 726 00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:41,106 named Jose Aleman, 727 00:29:41,106 --> 00:29:43,200 and he made it clear that it was Jimmy Hoffa 728 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,360 who was making the arrangements for the president's murder. 729 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,071 Al: In the weeks leading up to Kennedy and Oswald's murders, 730 00:29:50,071 --> 00:29:53,977 Jack Ruby had numerous phone calls 731 00:29:53,977 --> 00:29:58,581 with people like Teamster enforcer Barney Baker, 732 00:29:58,581 --> 00:30:00,499 who was suspected in many murders 733 00:30:00,499 --> 00:30:03,839 and had worked personally for Hoffa and Myer Lansky. 734 00:30:04,392 --> 00:30:05,463 (suspense music) 735 00:30:05,463 --> 00:30:10,008 So, was Jimmy Hoffa involved in a plot to kill JFK? 736 00:30:10,008 --> 00:30:13,595 The Church Committee, which was a Senate investigation 737 00:30:13,595 --> 00:30:17,349 looking into U.S. intelligence operations, 738 00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:20,352 determined that Hoffa had the means, motive, 739 00:30:20,352 --> 00:30:23,615 and opportunity to help kill John F. Kennedy. 740 00:30:24,381 --> 00:30:26,157 But that doesn't mean he did. 741 00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:27,158 (suspense music) 742 00:30:31,012 --> 00:30:32,907 Dan: It was determined that Hoffa had tampered 743 00:30:32,907 --> 00:30:34,953 with a member of the jury, 744 00:30:34,953 --> 00:30:39,204 and so he was re-indicted on charges of jury tampering, 745 00:30:39,204 --> 00:30:41,840 for which he received an eight-year sentence. 746 00:30:42,332 --> 00:30:44,793 He was convicted on a second case in Chicago 747 00:30:44,793 --> 00:30:46,672 involving pension fraud, 748 00:30:46,672 --> 00:30:49,507 where he received another five years. 749 00:30:49,507 --> 00:30:52,517 So he was given a 13-year prison sentence. 750 00:30:55,095 --> 00:31:00,003 (victorious music) 751 00:31:00,003 --> 00:31:01,852 Voiceover: With his raincoat covering handcuffs, 752 00:31:01,852 --> 00:31:05,314 Hoffa arrives at federal prison in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania. 753 00:31:05,314 --> 00:31:07,297 He said his attorneys would continue his fight 754 00:31:07,297 --> 00:31:08,700 while he's in jail. 755 00:31:08,858 --> 00:31:11,494 Parole is possible in 32 months. 756 00:31:11,571 --> 00:31:13,023 At $100,000 annually, 757 00:31:13,023 --> 00:31:15,995 he is the nation's highest paid prisoner. 758 00:31:16,257 --> 00:31:19,788 Al: So Jimmy Hoffa gets sent to Lewisburg Federal Prison. 759 00:31:20,034 --> 00:31:23,207 Things get even more complicated for Hoffa there 760 00:31:23,207 --> 00:31:26,043 because he's housed with Genovese mob captain, 761 00:31:26,043 --> 00:31:27,627 Tony Provenzano, 762 00:31:27,627 --> 00:31:30,964 who was also the president of a huge Teamster local 763 00:31:30,964 --> 00:31:32,841 in New Jersey at the time, 764 00:31:32,841 --> 00:31:36,220 and the two of them actually got into a fistfight, 765 00:31:36,220 --> 00:31:39,181 with Hoffa yelling, "It's guys like you 766 00:31:39,181 --> 00:31:41,690 "that got me in here in the first place." 767 00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:44,436 At the time all this is going on in prison, 768 00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:49,436 a national mob war is brewing out in the real world. 769 00:31:49,499 --> 00:31:53,695 Dan: 1964, '65, '66 was the Bonanno wars, 770 00:31:53,695 --> 00:31:55,906 Joe Bonanno's son, Bill Bonanno, 771 00:31:55,906 --> 00:31:59,371 deciding to whack three of the heads of the five families. 772 00:31:59,371 --> 00:32:00,744 (gunshots) 773 00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:03,663 Joe Bonanno wound up in Tucson, Arizona. 774 00:32:03,663 --> 00:32:05,832 And in Tucson, Arizona, 775 00:32:05,832 --> 00:32:09,169 he made a pact with two Southern organized crime figures. 776 00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:12,964 One was Carlos Marcello, the Mafia boss of New Orleans, 777 00:32:12,964 --> 00:32:16,184 and the other was Santo Trafficante of Tampa. 778 00:32:16,552 --> 00:32:20,491 Al: If the Bonanno-Marcello-Trafficante Southern powers 779 00:32:20,491 --> 00:32:22,223 could control Hoffa, 780 00:32:22,223 --> 00:32:23,517 they probably could control 781 00:32:23,517 --> 00:32:26,437 the single biggest prize in the country, 782 00:32:26,437 --> 00:32:27,983 the Teamster pension fund, 783 00:32:27,983 --> 00:32:29,942 which was really the goose that was laying 784 00:32:29,942 --> 00:32:32,033 golden egg after golden egg. 785 00:32:33,001 --> 00:32:35,698 Ultimately, the Mafia commission patched up 786 00:32:35,698 --> 00:32:37,906 the rift between the Mafia families, 787 00:32:37,906 --> 00:32:40,995 and Jimmy Hoffa was left on the outside looking in 788 00:32:40,995 --> 00:32:44,162 but now with a new deadly enemy in the form 789 00:32:44,162 --> 00:32:46,265 of Anthony "Tony Pro" Provenzano. 790 00:32:46,265 --> 00:32:47,548 (suspense music) 791 00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,586 Jimmy Hoffa: A murderer upstairs 792 00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:52,087 or a man with 50 years alongside of you. 793 00:32:52,087 --> 00:32:55,507 And when you're trying to sleep under those conditions, 794 00:32:55,507 --> 00:32:57,717 unless you have a tremendous willpower, 795 00:32:57,717 --> 00:32:59,970 you're constantly one eye open, 796 00:32:59,970 --> 00:33:01,930 looking to see whether or not you'll survive the night 797 00:33:01,930 --> 00:33:03,064 for the next day. 798 00:33:03,349 --> 00:33:08,349 (clapping) (jolly music) 799 00:33:28,644 --> 00:33:32,586 Dr. Russell: From the 1930s through the 1970s, 800 00:33:32,586 --> 00:33:34,633 most unions were giving their money, 801 00:33:34,633 --> 00:33:36,506 their campaign money to Democrats. 802 00:33:36,506 --> 00:33:39,092 Hoffa gave his money to whomever would help 803 00:33:39,092 --> 00:33:40,761 the Teamsters and himself, 804 00:33:40,761 --> 00:33:42,555 and so sometimes he gave his money to Democrats, 805 00:33:42,555 --> 00:33:43,638 sometimes to Republicans. 806 00:33:43,638 --> 00:33:46,393 By the early 1970s, when he was in prison, 807 00:33:46,393 --> 00:33:47,689 Richard Nixon was president, 808 00:33:47,689 --> 00:33:49,118 and it became quite convenient 809 00:33:49,118 --> 00:33:53,386 for the Teamster to give money to Nixon and the Republicans, 810 00:33:53,386 --> 00:33:56,326 and in exchange, he received a pardon. 811 00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:57,736 Jimmy Hoffa: I appreciate the fact 812 00:33:57,736 --> 00:34:00,238 that he signed the commutation papers. 813 00:34:00,238 --> 00:34:02,324 Whatever effect it will have on the members, I can't say. 814 00:34:02,324 --> 00:34:03,700 I haven't talked to any members. 815 00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,119 Reporter: Do you regard this as a strictly political move? 816 00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,036 Jimmy Hoffa: No, I do not. 817 00:34:07,036 --> 00:34:09,228 I think it was a regular routine commutation 818 00:34:09,228 --> 00:34:11,041 based upon my time served, 819 00:34:11,041 --> 00:34:13,665 based upon my sentence and the background of the sentence. 820 00:34:13,665 --> 00:34:15,003 Reporter: Do you plan on supporting him soon 821 00:34:15,003 --> 00:34:17,094 because he [unintelligible] or what? 822 00:34:17,094 --> 00:34:18,966 Jimmy Hoffa: It's too far away to make any prediction 823 00:34:18,966 --> 00:34:20,259 of what I will do politically. 824 00:34:20,259 --> 00:34:21,467 George: Now why would Nixon do that 825 00:34:21,467 --> 00:34:23,205 and if Hoffa was this terrible 826 00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:26,436 organized labor figure/gangster, 827 00:34:26,436 --> 00:34:28,016 why is he entitled to a pardon? 828 00:34:28,016 --> 00:34:30,185 Those kind of things were all questions back then. 829 00:34:30,185 --> 00:34:32,313 It certainly undermined Nixon to a great degree. 830 00:34:32,313 --> 00:34:33,612 I mean that was one of the many things 831 00:34:33,612 --> 00:34:36,042 that when people started to talk about Nixon 832 00:34:36,042 --> 00:34:40,862 as a president who didn't play by the rules, 833 00:34:40,862 --> 00:34:42,864 Nixon as a president who ultimately became 834 00:34:42,864 --> 00:34:44,866 the paranoid president, 835 00:34:44,866 --> 00:34:46,326 this was an example of that. 836 00:34:46,326 --> 00:34:47,869 This was Nixon, the deal-maker. 837 00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:51,081 Al: While Jimmy Hoffa was in prison from '67 to '71, 838 00:34:51,357 --> 00:34:53,792 America changed a lot. 839 00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:55,293 And when he got out, 840 00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:58,381 Hoffa's time had really passed in a lot of ways. 841 00:34:58,381 --> 00:35:01,696 George: Hoffa, for one segment of the American population, 842 00:35:01,696 --> 00:35:06,006 epitomized organized labor working for the blue collar, 843 00:35:06,006 --> 00:35:07,057 the common man, 844 00:35:07,057 --> 00:35:08,181 giving him his rights, 845 00:35:08,181 --> 00:35:10,683 giving him decent wages and working conditions. 846 00:35:10,683 --> 00:35:12,685 But for the people that were involved 847 00:35:12,685 --> 00:35:16,023 in the protests of the 1960s that wanted change, 848 00:35:16,023 --> 00:35:16,791 that were progressive, 849 00:35:16,791 --> 00:35:17,733 that were liberal, 850 00:35:17,733 --> 00:35:20,026 organized labor had become, in a lot of ways, 851 00:35:20,026 --> 00:35:21,070 part of the problem. 852 00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:23,459 The sons and daughters of blue-collar workers 853 00:35:23,459 --> 00:35:25,489 wh had gone on to get an education 854 00:35:25,489 --> 00:35:27,034 kind of looked askance at all of that. 855 00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:29,874 They didn't appreciate what unions really were about. 856 00:35:29,874 --> 00:35:32,247 What they saw were unions corrupting the system. 857 00:35:32,247 --> 00:35:34,583 And I think Hoffa epitomized that for them. 858 00:35:34,583 --> 00:35:36,210 On the other hand, he epitomized 859 00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:38,628 the champion for the common man 860 00:35:38,628 --> 00:35:40,715 for the earlier generation of workers. 861 00:35:40,715 --> 00:35:43,175 Al: Teamster Vice President Frank Fitzsimmons 862 00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:46,304 was running the Teamsters show, with Hoffa away in prison, 863 00:35:46,304 --> 00:35:48,849 and he was even more accommodating 864 00:35:48,849 --> 00:35:51,813 than Hoffa had been to organized crime. 865 00:35:51,813 --> 00:35:55,194 Dan: But Fitzsimmons just let everyone to do their thing. 866 00:35:55,586 --> 00:35:56,813 That's the way he liked it, 867 00:35:56,813 --> 00:35:59,783 and that's the way the vice presidents liked it, 868 00:35:59,783 --> 00:36:02,151 and that's the way the mob liked it. 869 00:36:02,151 --> 00:36:03,862 Frank: For this union nor I 870 00:36:03,862 --> 00:36:06,491 am in the hands of organized crime. 871 00:36:06,491 --> 00:36:08,429 This union has nothing to hide 872 00:36:08,429 --> 00:36:10,960 under general presidency of Frank Fitzsimmons. 873 00:36:10,994 --> 00:36:12,283 Keith: Many of these guys 874 00:36:12,513 --> 00:36:15,292 had feathered their own personal nests pretty well 875 00:36:15,292 --> 00:36:18,002 during the Fitzsimmons tenure. 876 00:36:18,002 --> 00:36:18,793 Richard: And the only thing 877 00:36:18,793 --> 00:36:20,420 that he was looking at at that point 878 00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:21,963 was trying to get back into 879 00:36:21,963 --> 00:36:24,598 the leadership position with the union, 880 00:36:24,598 --> 00:36:26,725 who didn't seem to want him around anymore. 881 00:36:26,725 --> 00:36:28,887 Scott: He really only had one thing on his mind, 882 00:36:28,887 --> 00:36:32,599 which was claiming back the Teamsters presidency. 883 00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:36,436 This was his baby, really his joy in life, 884 00:36:36,436 --> 00:36:38,647 was being the president of the Teamsters. 885 00:36:38,647 --> 00:36:40,440 Keith: Even though he had been involved 886 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,650 with organized crime, 887 00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:44,861 he always figured it was a 50-50 relationship 888 00:36:44,861 --> 00:36:46,988 where he was getting things from them 889 00:36:46,988 --> 00:36:49,574 in return for giving things to them 890 00:36:49,574 --> 00:36:51,910 not only personally but for the labor movement. 891 00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:53,787 He thought that Frank Fitzsimmons 892 00:36:53,787 --> 00:36:58,417 had become a lackey for the members of organized crime, 893 00:36:58,417 --> 00:37:00,486 and he was very interested in getting back in 894 00:37:00,486 --> 00:37:02,045 to the Teamsters union. 895 00:37:02,045 --> 00:37:03,685 He was going to do whatever he could 896 00:37:03,685 --> 00:37:05,478 to get his power back, 897 00:37:05,478 --> 00:37:08,766 and if that involved agreeing to 898 00:37:08,766 --> 00:37:11,715 or deciding to take some of the mob influence 899 00:37:11,715 --> 00:37:13,098 out of the union, 900 00:37:13,098 --> 00:37:16,060 Hoffa was willing to do that to get the power back. 901 00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:18,194 Scott: Hoffa's desperation reached a point 902 00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:21,361 where my sources in the federal government tell me 903 00:37:21,361 --> 00:37:23,776 that he actually became an FBI informant. 904 00:37:23,776 --> 00:37:27,455 This is a well-kept secret in the fact 905 00:37:27,455 --> 00:37:29,990 that it really hasn't been public record 906 00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:31,917 but that Hoffa was actually 907 00:37:31,917 --> 00:37:33,870 a full-fledged informant by the end. 908 00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:35,705 There was an actual quid pro quo 909 00:37:35,705 --> 00:37:38,957 between Hoffa and his handlers in the federal government, 910 00:37:38,957 --> 00:37:39,918 in the FBI, 911 00:37:39,918 --> 00:37:42,814 that in exchange for Hoffa feeding them information 912 00:37:42,814 --> 00:37:43,753 about what he knew, 913 00:37:43,753 --> 00:37:45,046 the FBI, the federal government 914 00:37:45,046 --> 00:37:47,591 was going to help lift the restriction 915 00:37:47,591 --> 00:37:49,425 on Hoffa's ability to run 916 00:37:49,425 --> 00:37:51,094 for the presidency of the Teamsters 917 00:37:51,094 --> 00:37:53,440 and that he would be allowed to run in 1976. 918 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,142 The word on the street was that Hoffa's restriction 919 00:37:57,142 --> 00:37:59,020 was most likely to be lifted 920 00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:03,281 was really a problem for the mob 921 00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,358 in the sense that they realized 922 00:38:05,358 --> 00:38:07,071 that Hoffa had enough support 923 00:38:07,071 --> 00:38:09,654 and enough momentum behind him 924 00:38:09,654 --> 00:38:12,741 that he could easily win that 1976 election. 925 00:38:12,741 --> 00:38:15,243 George: For Machiavelli, fortune favors the bold. 926 00:38:15,243 --> 00:38:17,912 He was going to make a bold move to try to come back. 927 00:38:17,912 --> 00:38:19,873 But I think there were just too many players involved, 928 00:38:19,873 --> 00:38:22,173 too many people who didn't want him to come back, 929 00:38:22,173 --> 00:38:25,420 and he couldn't control all the events and all the players, 930 00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:27,547 as he could have maybe 20 years earlier, 931 00:38:27,547 --> 00:38:30,383 when he was at the peak of his power in the Teamsters union. 932 00:38:30,383 --> 00:38:32,176 Scott: So Hoffa's relationship 933 00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:34,906 with the Mafia is quickly deteriorating. 934 00:38:34,906 --> 00:38:37,515 His really only life raft at this point 935 00:38:37,515 --> 00:38:38,975 are the Giacalone brothers, 936 00:38:38,975 --> 00:38:40,602 Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone 937 00:38:40,602 --> 00:38:42,354 and Vito "Billy Jack" Giacalone, 938 00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:44,230 the street bosses of the Detroit Mafia, 939 00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:47,025 the men that are really the faces 940 00:38:47,025 --> 00:38:48,945 of organized crime in Detroit. 941 00:38:48,945 --> 00:38:50,028 They do all the dirty work. 942 00:38:50,028 --> 00:38:51,362 They're the junkyard dogs, 943 00:38:51,362 --> 00:38:54,292 and they have long been Hoffa's contacts. 944 00:38:54,292 --> 00:38:56,370 Greg: The Detroit family goes way back. 945 00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:58,495 I mean it's one of the original families. 946 00:38:58,495 --> 00:39:00,329 It's part of the Commission, 947 00:39:00,329 --> 00:39:01,986 part of the National Comission. 948 00:39:01,986 --> 00:39:03,822 Bill: Through my years of undercover work, 949 00:39:03,822 --> 00:39:07,987 I don't believe that I was ever able to really penetrate 950 00:39:07,987 --> 00:39:10,590 the mob, the Detroit Mafia, if you will. 951 00:39:10,590 --> 00:39:14,010 These people had charisma. 952 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:16,637 Some of them were very likable people. 953 00:39:16,637 --> 00:39:20,088 I think they were friendly, but from a distance, 954 00:39:20,088 --> 00:39:21,893 from afar, they were not the kind of people 955 00:39:21,893 --> 00:39:25,420 that would take a shining to strangers. 956 00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:27,316 As part of their culture, their makeup, 957 00:39:27,316 --> 00:39:29,734 they don't deal with strangers. 958 00:39:29,734 --> 00:39:30,861 Scott: The mob knew the only way 959 00:39:30,861 --> 00:39:32,353 to get Hoffa out in the open 960 00:39:32,353 --> 00:39:33,446 was to lure him, 961 00:39:33,446 --> 00:39:36,227 and that lure was Tony Pro Provenzano. 962 00:39:36,518 --> 00:39:38,710 Hoffa understood the only way 963 00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:42,372 that he was going to get the requisite number of delegates 964 00:39:42,372 --> 00:39:45,249 to take back the Teamsters union in the '76 election 965 00:39:45,249 --> 00:39:47,211 was to make peace with Tony Provenzano, 966 00:39:47,211 --> 00:39:50,296 a man that he had actually put into power in the union, 967 00:39:50,296 --> 00:39:52,455 was very good friends with until they had 968 00:39:52,455 --> 00:39:55,009 a rather bitter falling out in prison. 969 00:39:55,009 --> 00:39:57,221 Hoffa knew he had to squash the beef. 970 00:39:57,221 --> 00:40:00,557 The Giacalones knew that bringing 971 00:40:00,557 --> 00:40:03,019 Tony Provenzano to Detroit as a lure 972 00:40:03,019 --> 00:40:04,852 would be the way to get Hoffa out in the open 973 00:40:04,852 --> 00:40:06,909 because Hoffa needed that support. 974 00:40:06,909 --> 00:40:09,493 Richard: I mean there was a saying in Detroit that 975 00:40:09,493 --> 00:40:12,027 if you didn't know that person 976 00:40:12,027 --> 00:40:14,521 when he was sucking his Mama's breast, 977 00:40:14,521 --> 00:40:15,532 stay away from him. 978 00:40:15,532 --> 00:40:16,681 Don't trust him. 979 00:40:16,681 --> 00:40:19,332 And that's the way they acted. 980 00:40:19,332 --> 00:40:20,827 They grew up together. 981 00:40:20,827 --> 00:40:22,288 They socialized together. 982 00:40:22,288 --> 00:40:24,956 They married one another. 983 00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:27,333 And they died together. 984 00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:31,179 Insulated protected group by themselves. 985 00:40:31,297 --> 00:40:34,775 Scott: It was appropriate, in Hoffa's mind, 986 00:40:34,775 --> 00:40:37,302 that Giacalone would be acting as the go-between. 987 00:40:37,302 --> 00:40:42,302 Tony Provenzano's first cousin was Tony Giacalone's wife. 988 00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:45,519 The Giacalone brothers were actually going to his house, 989 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,396 I believe, on July 26th and July 27th, 990 00:40:48,396 --> 00:40:52,859 trying to A) get Hoffa to come out of hiding, if you will. 991 00:40:52,859 --> 00:40:55,014 He was very cautious about who he was dealing with 992 00:40:55,014 --> 00:40:56,495 out in the public. 993 00:40:56,495 --> 00:40:59,615 And they also wanted to ease his worries 994 00:40:59,615 --> 00:41:00,910 that he was in danger. 995 00:41:00,910 --> 00:41:02,579 Well, in fact, he was in danger, 996 00:41:02,579 --> 00:41:04,291 but the Giacalones were playing both sides of the fence 997 00:41:04,291 --> 00:41:05,289 at this point. 998 00:41:05,289 --> 00:41:08,501 They arranged a meeting at the Machus Red Fox 999 00:41:08,501 --> 00:41:13,501 for 2:00 on July 30th, 1975. 1000 00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:16,929 Hoffa felt comfortable going to that meeting 1001 00:41:16,929 --> 00:41:19,638 because he was told that both Tony Giacalone 1002 00:41:19,638 --> 00:41:21,971 and Lenny Schultz would be at that meeting 1003 00:41:21,971 --> 00:41:23,574 brokering the deal. 1004 00:41:23,574 --> 00:41:28,478 Hoffa was willing then to bury the hatchet with Provenzano 1005 00:41:28,478 --> 00:41:30,983 if Provenzano came to Detroit. 1006 00:41:30,983 --> 00:41:33,324 The Giacalones convinced Hoffa 1007 00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:34,942 that Provenzano was coming to Detroit, 1008 00:41:34,942 --> 00:41:37,487 so they set that meeting for that afternoon. 1009 00:41:37,487 --> 00:41:41,617 Hoffa lounged around the house for most of that morning. 1010 00:41:41,617 --> 00:41:44,119 He left around 12:30, 1011 00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,668 stopped in Pontiac, a limo service that was run 1012 00:41:46,668 --> 00:41:49,674 by a friend of his by the name of Louie Linteau. 1013 00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:50,872 People called him "The Pope." 1014 00:41:50,872 --> 00:41:51,584 He showed up there. 1015 00:41:51,584 --> 00:41:55,338 Linteau was not there, so Hoffa left him a message 1016 00:41:55,338 --> 00:41:57,173 and took off to the meeting himself 1017 00:41:57,173 --> 00:42:02,173 and arrived at the Machus Red Fox 1:45, 2:00. 1018 00:42:02,511 --> 00:42:05,195 He waited in the restaurant for around a half hour 1019 00:42:05,195 --> 00:42:07,725 and realized that he had been stood up. 1020 00:42:07,725 --> 00:42:10,899 Hoffa was frazzled by this. 1021 00:42:10,899 --> 00:42:11,896 He was upset. 1022 00:42:11,896 --> 00:42:16,567 He went across the parking lot to a hardware store 1023 00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:17,902 and made two phone calls. 1024 00:42:17,902 --> 00:42:21,407 The first was to Louie Linteau at that limousine service 1025 00:42:21,407 --> 00:42:23,992 to tell him that he had been stood up 1026 00:42:23,992 --> 00:42:24,825 and that he was leaving, 1027 00:42:24,825 --> 00:42:25,932 that he was upset about it, 1028 00:42:25,932 --> 00:42:27,956 and then the second was to his wife. 1029 00:42:28,664 --> 00:42:30,542 At this point, Hoffa is seen 1030 00:42:30,542 --> 00:42:33,018 walking to his car in the parking lot. 1031 00:42:33,018 --> 00:42:34,766 It's around 2:45, 1032 00:42:34,766 --> 00:42:39,383 and he is met by a Mercury Marquis, 1033 00:42:39,383 --> 00:42:40,717 according to witnesses, 1034 00:42:40,717 --> 00:42:43,177 was occupied by three men, 1035 00:42:43,653 --> 00:42:46,222 two men in the front seat and one in the back. 1036 00:42:46,222 --> 00:42:48,580 Hoffa is seen getting into this car, 1037 00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:52,270 and the car is seen driving away onto Telegraph Road, 1038 00:42:52,270 --> 00:42:53,939 never to be seen again. 1039 00:42:54,939 --> 00:42:57,956 And with this disappearance really started 1040 00:42:57,956 --> 00:43:01,618 arguably the most fascinating mystery 1041 00:43:01,618 --> 00:43:03,589 in the criminal annals of America. 1042 00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:07,201 Keith: The most prominent labor leader in America 1043 00:43:07,201 --> 00:43:08,327 just disappears, 1044 00:43:08,327 --> 00:43:10,246 and nobody saw anything. 1045 00:43:10,246 --> 00:43:12,999 Even though his wife was concerned and was calling people, 1046 00:43:12,999 --> 00:43:15,710 nobody was overly concerned about an adult male 1047 00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:18,705 not coming home at 5, 6, 7, 8:00 at night. 1048 00:43:18,705 --> 00:43:20,971 I mean that's been known to happen. 1049 00:43:20,971 --> 00:43:23,551 Voiceover: The Hoffas are reportedly under heavy guard here. 1050 00:43:23,551 --> 00:43:25,522 But late this afternoon, the family broke its silence 1051 00:43:25,522 --> 00:43:26,953 and asked for public assistance 1052 00:43:26,953 --> 00:43:28,765 in the search for Jimmy Hoffa. 1053 00:43:28,765 --> 00:43:31,817 James: I have asked anybody who might have information 1054 00:43:31,817 --> 00:43:33,245 concerning my father's whereabouts 1055 00:43:33,245 --> 00:43:34,854 to please come forward. 1056 00:43:34,854 --> 00:43:37,483 Keith: Agents in the organized crime units 1057 00:43:37,483 --> 00:43:39,034 in every major city 1058 00:43:39,049 --> 00:43:41,360 but particularly New York, New Jersey, 1059 00:43:41,729 --> 00:43:44,363 Detroit, Chicago, Boston 1060 00:43:44,363 --> 00:43:46,940 were all taking every effort they could 1061 00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:51,037 to establish any connection or any interaction 1062 00:43:51,037 --> 00:43:52,498 between the cities. 1063 00:43:52,498 --> 00:43:54,578 These were almost all face-to-face meetings 1064 00:43:54,578 --> 00:43:55,875 in private settings. 1065 00:43:55,875 --> 00:43:57,335 David: I remember the time period. 1066 00:43:57,335 --> 00:43:59,212 People were running around with shovels 1067 00:43:59,212 --> 00:44:02,037 digging holes in fields all around Metro Detroit. 1068 00:44:02,037 --> 00:44:03,223 Greg: The whole experience 1069 00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,260 when I first got to Detroit is 1070 00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:07,721 this is just like the movies. 1071 00:44:07,721 --> 00:44:09,825 I had always wanted to be an FBI agent, 1072 00:44:09,825 --> 00:44:12,237 and now it would seem like 1073 00:44:12,237 --> 00:44:15,104 you were going from one major case to another. 1074 00:44:15,104 --> 00:44:20,104 (ambient traffic noise) 1075 00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:24,946 David: All of these whack job nutty people would call me. 1076 00:44:24,946 --> 00:44:27,615 I finally got to the point with people when they called me 1077 00:44:27,615 --> 00:44:29,159 who told me where he was. 1078 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,123 I just said, "Go get a shovel. 1079 00:44:31,123 --> 00:44:32,245 "Go dig a hole. 1080 00:44:32,245 --> 00:44:35,631 "If you find anything, call me before you call the FBI." 1081 00:44:35,998 --> 00:44:37,793 Greg: I think the feeling was 1082 00:44:37,793 --> 00:44:42,793 that we're going to throw all our resources at this, 1083 00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:45,841 and our history is such that generally speaking, 1084 00:44:46,502 --> 00:44:48,654 we get to the bottom of it. 1085 00:44:48,654 --> 00:44:50,096 Reporter: According to a spokesman 1086 00:44:50,096 --> 00:44:52,852 for the Organized Crime Strike Force, 1087 00:44:52,852 --> 00:44:54,600 there will be a major announcement 1088 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,269 concerning the Hoffa case by the end of this week. 1089 00:44:57,269 --> 00:44:58,980 (helicopter sounds overhead) 1090 00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:00,898 Keith: I mean I believe these guys 1091 00:45:00,898 --> 00:45:03,943 were smarter than we sometimes give them credit for, 1092 00:45:03,943 --> 00:45:05,936 and I think that when they picked the people 1093 00:45:05,936 --> 00:45:07,989 that were going to get rid of Jimmy Hoffa, 1094 00:45:07,989 --> 00:45:10,871 they picked people who they were 100 percent sure 1095 00:45:10,871 --> 00:45:12,827 would never reveal what they had done. 1096 00:45:12,827 --> 00:45:14,745 They knew how they were going to get rid of the body 1097 00:45:14,745 --> 00:45:15,790 before they whacked him. 1098 00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:18,333 I mean there is no doubt in my mind about that. 1099 00:45:18,333 --> 00:45:21,120 So they weren't driving around looking for a place to go. 1100 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,398 They weren't going to say, 1101 00:45:22,398 --> 00:45:24,088 "Let's put him in this temporary space 1102 00:45:24,088 --> 00:45:25,549 "and then we're going to move him." 1103 00:45:25,549 --> 00:45:29,177 They clearly had plenty of time to do anything they wanted 1104 00:45:29,177 --> 00:45:31,762 with the remains of Jimmy Hoffa 1105 00:45:31,762 --> 00:45:34,266 between the time they left the Machus Red Fox 1106 00:45:34,266 --> 00:45:36,482 and the time anybody fully started looking, 1107 00:45:36,482 --> 00:45:40,187 which was 10, 11, 12:00 the following day. 1108 00:45:40,187 --> 00:45:43,067 I believe this thing was planned out with precision. 1109 00:45:43,067 --> 00:45:44,567 They knew who was going to do it. 1110 00:45:44,567 --> 00:45:46,236 They knew how they were going to kill him, 1111 00:45:46,236 --> 00:45:47,982 and they knew where they were going to dispose of the body. 1112 00:45:47,982 --> 00:45:49,197 (camera flash) 1113 00:45:49,781 --> 00:45:53,869 Richard: The reputation of Anthony Giacalone 1114 00:45:53,869 --> 00:45:56,340 was that he was a brilliant man 1115 00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:58,668 who could have run one of the Big Three, 1116 00:45:58,668 --> 00:46:00,041 that he was that smart. 1117 00:46:00,041 --> 00:46:02,418 Keith: Feared by the average person 1118 00:46:02,418 --> 00:46:03,858 and well known to the media, 1119 00:46:03,858 --> 00:46:06,881 he had a very imposing personal presence. 1120 00:46:06,881 --> 00:46:09,420 That point, he was notorious for dressing 1121 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:11,658 in a very flashy style. 1122 00:46:11,658 --> 00:46:14,390 Scott: He was a man of very few words 1123 00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:17,737 but was someone, with just a nod of his head, 1124 00:46:17,737 --> 00:46:19,792 could make things happen, 1125 00:46:19,792 --> 00:46:21,857 such as people disappearing. 1126 00:46:21,857 --> 00:46:23,064 Voiceover: The Giacalones, 1127 00:46:23,064 --> 00:46:25,527 Joseph Giacalone and Vito Giacalone were in yesterday, 1128 00:46:25,527 --> 00:46:27,918 but speculation as to when you might be calling 1129 00:46:27,918 --> 00:46:29,779 Anthony Giacalone. 1130 00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:31,950 Investigator: You're going to have to continue to speculate. 1131 00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:34,346 I wish I could help you, but you know that I can't. 1132 00:46:41,269 --> 00:46:43,459 Reporter: Did your client [pled] the Fifth or not, Mr. Early? 1133 00:46:43,459 --> 00:46:44,377 Atty. Early: I can only assume he did. 1134 00:46:44,377 --> 00:46:46,382 I advised him to do that. 1135 00:46:46,405 --> 00:46:49,033 He was only in there a short minute or two, 1136 00:46:49,571 --> 00:46:50,810 and he came out. 1137 00:46:51,025 --> 00:46:52,425 I didn't ask him the question. 1138 00:46:52,686 --> 00:46:54,278 I assumed he did. 1139 00:46:54,278 --> 00:46:55,894 Reporter: You have no idea what kind of questions 1140 00:46:55,894 --> 00:46:57,176 [unintelligible] in there? 1141 00:46:57,176 --> 00:46:59,525 Atty. Early: I doubt if it got past his name and address. 1142 00:46:59,643 --> 00:47:01,393 Keith: Tony Giacalone that day shows up 1143 00:47:01,393 --> 00:47:03,771 at the Southfield Athletic Club, (camera flash) 1144 00:47:03,771 --> 00:47:06,683 spends the entire day at the Southfield Athletic Club. 1145 00:47:06,683 --> 00:47:10,069 He was known by many people to be a very sort of 1146 00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:12,408 surly taciturn kind of guy, 1147 00:47:12,408 --> 00:47:14,550 but he must have asked 50 people 1148 00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:16,127 at the Southfield Athletic Club, 1149 00:47:16,127 --> 00:47:17,033 "What time is it now? 1150 00:47:17,033 --> 00:47:17,752 "You got the time? 1151 00:47:17,755 --> 00:47:18,745 "You got the time?" 1152 00:47:18,745 --> 00:47:20,582 Scott: Never talked to anybody. 1153 00:47:20,582 --> 00:47:21,747 They didn't need to talk, 1154 00:47:21,747 --> 00:47:24,257 especially didn't talk to regular civilians 1155 00:47:24,257 --> 00:47:25,597 on a regular basis. 1156 00:47:25,597 --> 00:47:27,510 He was going around shaking everyone's hand, 1157 00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:29,588 asking people what time it was, 1158 00:47:29,588 --> 00:47:30,882 how their day was going 1159 00:47:30,882 --> 00:47:32,552 to establish an alibi for himself. 1160 00:47:32,552 --> 00:47:34,399 According to FBI surveillance records, 1161 00:47:34,399 --> 00:47:35,908 Jack Tocco, the acting boss 1162 00:47:35,908 --> 00:47:37,388 of the Detroit family at that time, 1163 00:47:37,388 --> 00:47:42,388 came from Macomb County to Oakland County 1164 00:47:43,396 --> 00:47:44,937 to meet with Giacalone. 1165 00:47:44,937 --> 00:47:47,553 Giacalone and Tocco were not very close. 1166 00:47:47,553 --> 00:47:50,193 They did not meet face to face very often. 1167 00:47:50,193 --> 00:47:52,863 The fact that Tocco was coming to Oakland County, 1168 00:47:52,863 --> 00:47:56,033 coming to South Athletic Club that afternoon 1169 00:47:56,033 --> 00:47:59,161 really told the FBI and investigators 1170 00:47:59,161 --> 00:48:00,870 that something very important had just happened. 1171 00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:02,308 (sinister music) 1172 00:48:02,954 --> 00:48:07,954 Chuckie O'Brien was a surrogate son, if you will, 1173 00:48:08,257 --> 00:48:09,753 to Jimmy Hoffa. 1174 00:48:09,753 --> 00:48:13,299 He was also very close to Tony Giacalone. 1175 00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:17,981 His mother, Sylvia Pagano, was a bit of a gun moll, 1176 00:48:17,981 --> 00:48:21,432 one of those women that got passed around the mob. 1177 00:48:21,432 --> 00:48:23,776 She had affairs with several members 1178 00:48:23,776 --> 00:48:25,228 of organized crime in Detroit, 1179 00:48:25,228 --> 00:48:27,735 two of them being Jimmy Hoffa and Tony Giacalone. 1180 00:48:27,735 --> 00:48:29,492 He'd had a falling out with Jimmy Hoffa 1181 00:48:29,492 --> 00:48:31,901 and had really aligned with Tony Giacalone. 1182 00:48:31,901 --> 00:48:33,821 Attorney: After my client's full cooperation 1183 00:48:33,821 --> 00:48:35,613 with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1184 00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:36,865 the Michigan State Police, 1185 00:48:36,865 --> 00:48:38,666 and the Bloomfield Township Police 1186 00:48:38,666 --> 00:48:41,327 for a total of nearly eight hours of intensive interviewing 1187 00:48:41,327 --> 00:48:43,330 on an entirely voluntary basis, 1188 00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:45,749 I am surprised and somewhat chagrined, as a matter of fact, 1189 00:48:45,749 --> 00:48:47,589 that the government now feels compelled 1190 00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:49,711 to make further inquiry of Mr. O'Brien. 1191 00:48:49,711 --> 00:48:52,838 Reporter: Do you expect to see your father again? 1192 00:48:52,838 --> 00:48:54,724 Chuckie: I'm praying. 1193 00:49:00,077 --> 00:49:03,391 Scott: O'Brien was said to have been in possession 1194 00:49:03,391 --> 00:49:06,522 of Giacalone's son, Joey's car that afternoon, 1195 00:49:06,522 --> 00:49:09,397 the car that the FBI and investigators believe 1196 00:49:09,397 --> 00:49:11,145 Hoffa was kidnapped in. 1197 00:49:11,145 --> 00:49:15,069 Keith: Why was he using a Giacalone kid's car 1198 00:49:15,069 --> 00:49:16,803 on that particular day? 1199 00:49:16,803 --> 00:49:19,782 That's always been an issue that fascinated the Bureau 1200 00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:22,030 and caused them to look into Chuckie O'Brien. 1201 00:49:22,030 --> 00:49:24,826 Scott: Now, the issue that I have 1202 00:49:24,826 --> 00:49:28,293 with that specific allegation 1203 00:49:28,293 --> 00:49:31,182 is the fact that Hoffa and O'Brien at that time 1204 00:49:31,182 --> 00:49:36,090 had really, really been on very, very bad terms 1205 00:49:36,351 --> 00:49:39,007 and that Jimmy Hoffa would not feel comfortable 1206 00:49:39,007 --> 00:49:41,239 getting in a car with Chuckie O'Brien. 1207 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,682 Despite that, there are a lot of people that believe 1208 00:49:43,682 --> 00:49:46,499 O'Brien was the one that took Hoffa 1209 00:49:46,499 --> 00:49:49,230 from the Red Fox to the place that he was murdered. 1210 00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:51,439 Keith: I don't think they would have felt comfortable 1211 00:49:51,439 --> 00:49:53,066 with Chuckie O'Brien out there as a guy 1212 00:49:53,066 --> 00:49:55,111 who could point a finger at them. 1213 00:49:55,111 --> 00:49:57,944 Richard: What worse person could you put in charge 1214 00:49:57,944 --> 00:50:01,643 of your life and with getting critical information 1215 00:50:01,643 --> 00:50:02,950 than Chuckie O'Brien? 1216 00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:05,168 Keith: Why do they have to borrow anybody's car? 1217 00:50:05,168 --> 00:50:07,664 Have some guy steal a car and give it to you, 1218 00:50:07,664 --> 00:50:10,376 two, three layers of removal, 1219 00:50:10,376 --> 00:50:11,626 and then you pick it up. 1220 00:50:11,626 --> 00:50:13,586 These guys wouldn't have trouble getting a car. 1221 00:50:13,586 --> 00:50:15,087 David: The Hoffa [unintelligible] says 1222 00:50:15,087 --> 00:50:18,985 that he was basically incompetent and a liar. 1223 00:50:18,985 --> 00:50:20,965 Why didn't they kill O'Brien afterward? 1224 00:50:20,965 --> 00:50:22,010 Why would they leave him alive? 1225 00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:24,647 Why would they leave any of these guys alive? 1226 00:50:25,017 --> 00:50:29,131 Scott: I don't believe that the organized crime members 1227 00:50:29,131 --> 00:50:32,066 that set this hit up would use Chuckie O'Brien 1228 00:50:32,066 --> 00:50:34,483 in any way, shape, or form 1229 00:50:34,483 --> 00:50:37,820 other than very, very menial tasks. 1230 00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:40,279 And frankly, being the one to drive Hoffa 1231 00:50:40,279 --> 00:50:43,119 to his murder destination is not a menial task. 1232 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:44,315 (suspense music) 1233 00:50:44,315 --> 00:50:47,021 George: Tony Pro was a capital in the Genovese crime family, 1234 00:50:47,021 --> 00:50:49,580 and the Genovese crime family, in my estimation, 1235 00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:51,101 was the most powerful, 1236 00:50:51,101 --> 00:50:52,602 the most well-run, and the most organized 1237 00:50:52,602 --> 00:50:54,293 of the five New York families, 1238 00:50:54,293 --> 00:50:58,950 Tony Pro controlled Teamsters Local 560 out of North Jersey. 1239 00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:00,971 Voiceover: Today, Provenzano acknowledged 1240 00:51:00,971 --> 00:51:02,427 Hoffa was an old friend, 1241 00:51:02,427 --> 00:51:04,553 but he said he hadn't seen him in years 1242 00:51:04,553 --> 00:51:07,224 and could shed no light on Hoffa's disappearance. 1243 00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:09,619 Reporter: Were you supposed to meet with Hoffa today - 1244 00:51:09,619 --> 00:51:10,454 Tony: No, no. 1245 00:51:10,454 --> 00:51:11,737 I know nothing. 1246 00:51:11,737 --> 00:51:13,733 None whatsoever, no. 1247 00:51:15,693 --> 00:51:17,729 Woody: Did you manage to finish testimony before- 1248 00:51:17,729 --> 00:51:18,262 Bill: Yes, we did. 1249 00:51:18,262 --> 00:51:19,486 Yes, we did, Woody. 1250 00:51:19,486 --> 00:51:20,611 Woody: Why so brief, sir? 1251 00:51:20,611 --> 00:51:21,670 Bill: It wasn't that brief. 1252 00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:22,307 Woody: No? 1253 00:51:22,307 --> 00:51:24,031 Bill: They asked questions and we gave answers. 1254 00:51:24,031 --> 00:51:26,375 Reporter: [unintelligible] 1255 00:51:27,204 --> 00:51:29,383 Bill: I don't believe that we would serve 1256 00:51:29,383 --> 00:51:33,600 any worthy purpose to discuss out here on the street 1257 00:51:34,646 --> 00:51:37,169 what transpired in the grand jury room. 1258 00:51:37,169 --> 00:51:39,923 They have a job to do, and they are doing their very best, 1259 00:51:39,923 --> 00:51:41,390 and we wish them luck. 1260 00:51:41,677 --> 00:51:44,017 Dan: We knew there was an eye witness 1261 00:51:44,017 --> 00:51:47,971 who had kind of, but not quite, 1262 00:51:48,463 --> 00:51:50,852 identified Sal Briguglio. 1263 00:51:50,852 --> 00:51:53,185 David: His problem was that he had read newspaper accounts, 1264 00:51:53,185 --> 00:51:56,772 and I think he was trying to sort of help the FBI along 1265 00:51:56,772 --> 00:52:00,575 rather than simply being an untainted witness. 1266 00:52:00,609 --> 00:52:02,366 But the problem was they didn't know 1267 00:52:02,366 --> 00:52:05,145 if his information was coming from news reports 1268 00:52:05,145 --> 00:52:09,793 or whether it was untainted information he had witnessed. 1269 00:52:09,887 --> 00:52:13,237 Scott: Briguglio was a old-school grizzle gangster 1270 00:52:13,237 --> 00:52:14,844 that really looked the part 1271 00:52:14,844 --> 00:52:18,710 and someone that really didn't flash a smile that much. 1272 00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:21,632 It's a wide belief that Briguglio and Andretta 1273 00:52:21,632 --> 00:52:25,159 were sent by Provenzano to Detroit 1274 00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,845 to be his representatives on the Hoffa hit. 1275 00:52:27,845 --> 00:52:29,805 (suspense music) 1276 00:52:29,805 --> 00:52:32,519 Dan: We knew that a guy named Ralph Picardo 1277 00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:35,673 was telling the FBI 1278 00:52:36,658 --> 00:52:38,627 what they knew about Jimmy Hoffa's murder. 1279 00:52:38,627 --> 00:52:40,315 According to Ralph Picardo, 1280 00:52:40,315 --> 00:52:43,212 Hoffa is stuffed into a 55-gallon drum 1281 00:52:43,212 --> 00:52:45,298 and shipped via Gateway Transportation truck 1282 00:52:45,298 --> 00:52:46,930 to an unknown destination. 1283 00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:50,369 Al: And this is what the FBI's initial understanding 1284 00:52:50,369 --> 00:52:51,363 of the case was. 1285 00:52:51,363 --> 00:52:52,956 Dan: So you have Russell Bufalino, 1286 00:52:52,956 --> 00:52:56,582 who is the acting head of the Genovese crime family. 1287 00:52:56,582 --> 00:52:59,483 You have Tony Provenzano, who is a capo 1288 00:52:59,483 --> 00:53:01,253 in the Genovese crime family. 1289 00:53:01,253 --> 00:53:04,469 Then you have his guys, Sal Briguglio, Gabe Briguglio, 1290 00:53:04,469 --> 00:53:06,390 Tommy Andretta, Stevie Andretta 1291 00:53:07,005 --> 00:53:09,011 being the guys who were actually the mechanics 1292 00:53:09,011 --> 00:53:10,979 in this operation. 1293 00:53:11,059 --> 00:53:14,078 Richard: Two people can keep a secret if one is dead. 1294 00:53:14,078 --> 00:53:16,123 There isn't a want or a need for information 1295 00:53:16,123 --> 00:53:18,393 and they don't know about it or want to know about it 1296 00:53:18,393 --> 00:53:19,647 for that very purpose. 1297 00:53:19,647 --> 00:53:21,502 David: Does it make any sense that you would carry 1298 00:53:21,502 --> 00:53:24,572 Jimmy Hoffa around in a 55-gallon barrel 1299 00:53:24,572 --> 00:53:27,072 when you could just simply take him to Central Sanitation 1300 00:53:27,072 --> 00:53:28,657 and dispose of the body? 1301 00:53:28,657 --> 00:53:29,865 I think that that's where the feds 1302 00:53:29,865 --> 00:53:31,575 eventually landed on that. 1303 00:53:31,575 --> 00:53:34,059 George: It just bottom line makes no sense at all. 1304 00:53:34,059 --> 00:53:35,011 You don't kill somebody 1305 00:53:35,011 --> 00:53:36,832 and then cart their body across country. 1306 00:53:36,832 --> 00:53:38,966 Nobody in the underworld is going to do that kind of stuff. 1307 00:53:38,966 --> 00:53:41,461 (slow beat music) (sinister music) 1308 00:53:41,461 --> 00:53:42,711 Dan: The next day, I pick up the phone. 1309 00:53:42,711 --> 00:53:45,674 I call Sal Briguglio up 1310 00:53:45,674 --> 00:53:47,669 and asked for him at Local 560. 1311 00:53:47,669 --> 00:53:49,551 He gets on the phone and he says, 1312 00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:51,220 "Yeah, who's this?" 1313 00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:53,185 and I said, "My name is Dan Moldea," 1314 00:53:53,185 --> 00:53:54,780 and he says, "What do you need?" 1315 00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:56,810 and I said, "I'm a journalist 1316 00:53:56,810 --> 00:53:58,683 "and I'd like to come and talk to you." 1317 00:53:58,683 --> 00:54:00,020 He says, "What do you want to talk about?" 1318 00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:01,606 I said, "The Hoffa disappearance." 1319 00:54:01,606 --> 00:54:02,314 He goes, "What makes you think 1320 00:54:02,314 --> 00:54:03,607 "I have anything to say about that?" 1321 00:54:03,607 --> 00:54:05,944 I said, "Because, Mr. Briguglio, 1322 00:54:05,944 --> 00:54:08,574 "you've neither been indicted nor arrested, 1323 00:54:08,574 --> 00:54:10,157 "and the entire world is saying 1324 00:54:10,157 --> 00:54:12,332 "that you killed Jimmy Hoffa, 1325 00:54:12,463 --> 00:54:15,151 "and the government is putting this information out, 1326 00:54:15,151 --> 00:54:16,990 "and I think the government might be violating 1327 00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:18,923 "your civil rights." 1328 00:54:19,238 --> 00:54:20,107 Bill: We are innocent. 1329 00:54:20,107 --> 00:54:21,087 We're presumed to be innocent. 1330 00:54:21,087 --> 00:54:21,747 We remain- 1331 00:54:21,747 --> 00:54:23,001 Dan: But you must theorize on why the government 1332 00:54:23,001 --> 00:54:23,832 is doing this to you, 1333 00:54:23,832 --> 00:54:24,552 and this goes back to how- 1334 00:54:24,552 --> 00:54:26,850 Bill: No, you know they're a bunch of motherfuckers. 1335 00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,219 Dan: The possibility of Hoffa's body 1336 00:54:30,219 --> 00:54:33,349 being stuffed in a 55-gallon drum pickled, 1337 00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:35,097 maybe put in a liquid preservative. 1338 00:54:35,097 --> 00:54:35,806 Bill: Well, man, what the hell? 1339 00:54:35,806 --> 00:54:38,353 Would you ever pickle anybody and keep preserving? 1340 00:54:38,353 --> 00:54:41,447 I'd like to put yourself in the position of the bad guy. 1341 00:54:41,447 --> 00:54:43,329 Would you try to perserve him? 1342 00:54:43,329 --> 00:54:45,418 Two [powers] out of Chicago 1343 00:54:45,956 --> 00:54:50,780 met their Maker at the expense 1344 00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:53,243 or at the hands of the CIA 1345 00:54:53,243 --> 00:54:53,799 because - 1346 00:54:53,799 --> 00:54:55,210 Dan: Roselli and Giancana? 1347 00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:56,577 Bill: Yeah, Roselli and Giancana. 1348 00:54:56,577 --> 00:55:01,498 Now, you'd be better off asking the CIA 1349 00:55:01,498 --> 00:55:03,126 to investigate the FBI 1350 00:55:03,126 --> 00:55:06,296 and the FBI to investigate with CIA, 1351 00:55:06,296 --> 00:55:08,913 and then there you'd have the answer. 1352 00:55:08,913 --> 00:55:10,632 (suspense music) 1353 00:55:10,985 --> 00:55:12,325 Dan: This guy was a giant. 1354 00:55:12,325 --> 00:55:13,723 He was a big guy, 1355 00:55:14,015 --> 00:55:15,938 had a glass eye too. 1356 00:55:16,453 --> 00:55:18,906 One eye would be following you wherever you went, 1357 00:55:18,906 --> 00:55:20,958 and the other eye was just staring straight at 1358 00:55:20,958 --> 00:55:21,970 and into the distance. 1359 00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:23,062 He was a scary guy. 1360 00:55:23,062 --> 00:55:26,940 Keith: McMaster was a larger than life character 1361 00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:29,151 both physically and story-wise. 1362 00:55:29,151 --> 00:55:31,820 He was a business agent for the Teamsters. 1363 00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:34,532 He was involved in union activities, 1364 00:55:34,532 --> 00:55:37,159 organizing, getting union votes. 1365 00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,831 He probably weighed 300 pounds and was 6'6 or 6'7, 1366 00:55:40,831 --> 00:55:42,047 huge hands, 1367 00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:44,041 personally an intimidating guy, 1368 00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:46,755 and I think if you wanted to send the message 1369 00:55:46,755 --> 00:55:48,951 to people to physically intimidate them, 1370 00:55:48,951 --> 00:55:50,715 Rolland McMaster was the guy who, 1371 00:55:50,715 --> 00:55:52,090 if he showed up at your door, 1372 00:55:52,090 --> 00:55:54,302 probably generated that kind of reaction. 1373 00:55:54,302 --> 00:55:55,761 Dan: I mean McMaster was working 1374 00:55:55,761 --> 00:55:59,223 with Santo Trafficante down in Miami for sure. 1375 00:55:59,514 --> 00:56:01,767 McMaster was part of the Cuban process. 1376 00:56:01,767 --> 00:56:04,027 McMaster knew a lot of stuff. 1377 00:56:04,061 --> 00:56:06,398 A lot of people viewed McMaster as a knuckle dragger. 1378 00:56:06,398 --> 00:56:09,741 This guy was a sharp guy. 1379 00:56:10,287 --> 00:56:12,946 Scott: I tend to agree with him that Rolland McMaster 1380 00:56:13,161 --> 00:56:16,615 could have played a role in the assassination. 1381 00:56:16,615 --> 00:56:20,998 He was one of the most trusted non-Italian, 1382 00:56:21,228 --> 00:56:23,339 non-mob union members 1383 00:56:23,616 --> 00:56:27,711 and someone that had a lot of knowledge 1384 00:56:27,711 --> 00:56:31,089 of past union mob relationship, 1385 00:56:31,089 --> 00:56:32,424 union mob wrongdoing. 1386 00:56:32,424 --> 00:56:36,968 Dan: Because I was convinced that Rolland McMaster 1387 00:56:36,968 --> 00:56:40,982 and his zombie stooges who worked for him 1388 00:56:40,982 --> 00:56:44,184 were somehow involved in Jimmy Hoffa's murder 1389 00:56:44,184 --> 00:56:46,773 and probably responsible for the disposal 1390 00:56:46,773 --> 00:56:48,624 of Jimmy Hoffa's body. 1391 00:56:48,624 --> 00:56:49,804 I believe that. 1392 00:56:49,804 --> 00:56:54,695 I got a call on that on August 4th, 1975. 1393 00:56:54,695 --> 00:56:57,866 That's five days after Jimmy Hoffa's, 1394 00:56:57,866 --> 00:57:00,794 and I have not moved from that position since then. 1395 00:57:00,832 --> 00:57:02,920 Everything I have seen and heard 1396 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,082 reinforces everything I believe. 1397 00:57:05,082 --> 00:57:07,791 David: There was a lot of violence going on in the Teamsters 1398 00:57:07,791 --> 00:57:10,961 in the months leading up to Hoffa's disappearance. 1399 00:57:11,468 --> 00:57:14,057 Dan Moldea believes that Rolland was involved, 1400 00:57:14,057 --> 00:57:18,103 deeply involved and probably knew what happened to Hoffa. 1401 00:57:18,103 --> 00:57:20,304 Dan: Hoffa people being under siege, 1402 00:57:20,304 --> 00:57:21,973 where their houses were being bombed, 1403 00:57:21,973 --> 00:57:23,607 their boats were being bombed. 1404 00:57:23,607 --> 00:57:25,802 You had people being shot. 1405 00:57:25,802 --> 00:57:27,602 Keith: People today don't realize 1406 00:57:27,602 --> 00:57:32,602 bombings of businesses and union officials' cars 1407 00:57:33,773 --> 00:57:35,194 and these kinds of things 1408 00:57:35,194 --> 00:57:37,229 were much more common occurrence. 1409 00:57:37,229 --> 00:57:40,451 Dan: The real action is right in Detroit. 1410 00:57:40,451 --> 00:57:42,618 This is where it's all happening. 1411 00:57:42,618 --> 00:57:46,302 This Local 299 violence is a big story, 1412 00:57:46,302 --> 00:57:48,292 and everybody is ignoring it. 1413 00:57:48,292 --> 00:57:50,960 David: He was going after this story full board. 1414 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,232 He was willing to put himself in harm's way to get the book. 1415 00:57:55,232 --> 00:57:58,508 Dan: There was one guy who was so upset about McMaster, 1416 00:57:58,508 --> 00:58:00,052 that I was asking questions about Mc ... 1417 00:58:00,052 --> 00:58:01,095 and this is a Hoffa guy. 1418 00:58:01,095 --> 00:58:02,731 This is a guy I felt comfortable with. 1419 00:58:02,731 --> 00:58:06,275 The guy pulls a gun out and sticks it in my mouth. 1420 00:58:06,601 --> 00:58:09,273 Yeah, sticks the fucking gun in my mouth. 1421 00:58:09,273 --> 00:58:11,855 Scott: Less than two months before Hoffa disappeared, 1422 00:58:11,855 --> 00:58:14,184 Little Fitz, Richard Fitzsimmons, 1423 00:58:14,184 --> 00:58:15,624 the son of Frank Fitzsimmons, 1424 00:58:15,624 --> 00:58:17,278 the current Teamsters president, 1425 00:58:17,278 --> 00:58:20,163 had his car blown out in the parking lot of Nemo's, 1426 00:58:20,163 --> 00:58:23,992 a popular tavern right by the 250 Local. 1427 00:58:23,992 --> 00:58:25,911 There was a lot of people that believed 1428 00:58:25,911 --> 00:58:27,996 that Hoffa set that bomb 1429 00:58:27,996 --> 00:58:30,763 and tried to kill Fitz and Little Fitz. 1430 00:58:30,763 --> 00:58:32,261 There are other people that believe 1431 00:58:32,261 --> 00:58:35,254 that there were actual Teamster goons 1432 00:58:35,254 --> 00:58:37,802 that set that bomb and that car 1433 00:58:37,802 --> 00:58:39,687 to make it look like Hoffa was trying to kill 1434 00:58:39,687 --> 00:58:42,182 the Fitzsimmons and in return would get Hoffa killed. 1435 00:58:42,182 --> 00:58:43,983 Voiceover: Teamster president Frank Fitzsimmons 1436 00:58:43,983 --> 00:58:46,279 is now a principal figure in the investigation 1437 00:58:46,279 --> 00:58:48,651 of the disappearance of James Hoffa. 1438 00:58:48,958 --> 00:58:50,982 But federal agents on the Hoffa case 1439 00:58:50,982 --> 00:58:54,706 are now taking a very close look at Fitzsimmon's activities 1440 00:58:54,706 --> 00:58:57,150 just before and just after Hoffa disappeared. 1441 00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,736 (suspense music) 1442 00:58:59,736 --> 00:59:01,427 Dan: It's impossible to believe 1443 00:59:01,427 --> 00:59:05,075 that the guys who were behind all of this Local 299 violence 1444 00:59:05,075 --> 00:59:08,203 which goes right up until 20 days before Hoffa disappears 1445 00:59:08,203 --> 00:59:11,123 with the bombing of Fitz and his car 1446 00:59:11,661 --> 00:59:14,710 and that these guys aren't involved in the [denouement] 1447 00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:17,432 when Jimmy Hoffa disappears on July 30th? 1448 00:59:17,879 --> 00:59:18,644 Please. 1449 00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,424 Scott: On the other hand, 1450 00:59:20,424 --> 00:59:22,009 you look at it and you say to yourself, 1451 00:59:22,009 --> 00:59:25,787 well, the Mafia families in New York, in Detroit, 1452 00:59:25,787 --> 00:59:30,787 they had a long list of very, very established 1453 00:59:31,059 --> 00:59:33,783 and well-honed executioners, 1454 00:59:33,783 --> 00:59:35,064 hitmen, if you will, 1455 00:59:35,064 --> 00:59:36,690 and it makes you think 1456 00:59:36,690 --> 00:59:38,781 why would they bring in a guy like McMaster 1457 00:59:38,781 --> 00:59:42,696 when they have so many guys that can do the job 1458 00:59:42,696 --> 00:59:44,130 in their own backyard? 1459 00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:45,949 Keith: They wouldn't have trouble finding a house 1460 00:59:45,949 --> 00:59:49,170 or a location to do whatever they wanted to do. 1461 00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:50,501 And I don't think they would leave it 1462 00:59:50,501 --> 00:59:52,330 on a piece of property they own 1463 00:59:52,330 --> 00:59:54,963 or in a barn on Rolland McMaster's property, 1464 00:59:54,963 --> 00:59:57,128 unless they're trying to frame Rolland McMaster. 1465 00:59:57,128 --> 00:59:58,117 (suspense music) 1466 00:59:58,117 --> 00:59:59,421 Voiceover: We broke the story yesterday 1467 00:59:59,421 --> 01:00:01,945 how Frank Sheeran claims he shot Hoffa 1468 01:00:01,945 --> 01:00:04,565 two times in the back of the head in his house. 1469 01:00:04,565 --> 01:00:06,906 Sheeran was a Delaware Teamsters union president, 1470 01:00:06,906 --> 01:00:08,729 a self-confessed mob hitman, 1471 01:00:08,729 --> 01:00:10,348 a close friend of Jimmy Hoffa, 1472 01:00:10,348 --> 01:00:11,676 and the subject of a new book. 1473 01:00:11,676 --> 01:00:13,737 He says the mob ordered Hoffa's death 1474 01:00:13,737 --> 01:00:14,770 to prevent him from running 1475 01:00:14,770 --> 01:00:16,655 for the Teamsters' presidency. 1476 01:00:16,772 --> 01:00:20,946 Scott: Frank Sheeran was a high-ranking union official 1477 01:00:20,946 --> 01:00:23,302 out of Pennsylvania and Delaware, 1478 01:00:23,302 --> 01:00:26,199 as well as a high-ranking mob associate 1479 01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:28,785 that was very close to Russell Bufalino. 1480 01:00:28,785 --> 01:00:31,745 He was Bufalino's bodyguard and driver. 1481 01:00:31,745 --> 01:00:33,709 He was another man that would often act 1482 01:00:33,709 --> 01:00:36,291 as a go-between or a liaison 1483 01:00:36,291 --> 01:00:37,647 between the mob and Hoffa. 1484 01:00:37,647 --> 01:00:39,798 (sinister music) 1485 01:00:39,798 --> 01:00:43,429 David: They stopped at Port Clinton in Ohio, near Toledo. 1486 01:00:43,429 --> 01:00:46,736 Sheeran gets out, climbs on a small private plane, 1487 01:00:46,736 --> 01:00:47,678 and they fly to Detroit 1488 01:00:47,678 --> 01:00:50,308 and they land at the Pontiac Airport. 1489 01:00:50,308 --> 01:00:53,697 Sheeran gets on a car that's waiting for him, 1490 01:00:53,697 --> 01:00:55,555 drives to this location, 1491 01:00:55,555 --> 01:00:57,667 picks up a couple of guys, 1492 01:00:57,667 --> 01:01:00,109 goes up to the Machus Red Fox to get Jimmy, 1493 01:01:00,109 --> 01:01:02,987 bring him back, and Sheeran kills him. 1494 01:01:02,987 --> 01:01:06,809 But I had a pilot tell me you can't just fly a private plane 1495 01:01:06,809 --> 01:01:08,950 to Pontiac Airport Metro Airport. 1496 01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:12,538 You got to get around the air traffic area. 1497 01:01:12,538 --> 01:01:15,670 And he found his story to be a little improbable. 1498 01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:17,306 George: You're going to get somebody like Frank Sheeran 1499 01:01:17,306 --> 01:01:19,127 who also claims to have been involved 1500 01:01:19,127 --> 01:01:20,818 in the murder of Joey Gallo 1501 01:01:20,818 --> 01:01:22,258 and also claims to have provided the guns 1502 01:01:22,258 --> 01:01:24,381 that were used in the Kennedy assassination. 1503 01:01:24,381 --> 01:01:26,766 Well, if those things are true, 1504 01:01:26,766 --> 01:01:29,928 this guy sitting under the radar for a very, very long time 1505 01:01:29,928 --> 01:01:31,096 and it's kind of hard to believe. 1506 01:01:31,096 --> 01:01:33,390 Dan: They heard that Sheeran was writing a book, 1507 01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:36,196 and they wanted to bring me on as a consultant 1508 01:01:36,626 --> 01:01:38,028 about Sheeran. 1509 01:01:38,106 --> 01:01:39,987 But then that one fell apart 1510 01:01:39,987 --> 01:01:42,944 because they just caught him in so many lies 1511 01:01:43,437 --> 01:01:46,786 and that apparently, Maria Shriver had done the interview. 1512 01:01:47,028 --> 01:01:50,754 Once again, they're going to bring me on as a consultant, 1513 01:01:50,754 --> 01:01:53,663 and once again, Sheeran's lies just cause 1514 01:01:53,663 --> 01:01:55,503 the whole thing to fall apart. 1515 01:01:55,621 --> 01:01:58,811 In 2001, he says Sal Briguglio was the killer. 1516 01:01:58,811 --> 01:02:01,760 Then 2003, when Dateline NBC calls me, 1517 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,878 there was one different thing. 1518 01:02:03,878 --> 01:02:04,704 I said, "What's that?" 1519 01:02:04,704 --> 01:02:07,851 He says, "Sheeran's now claiming that he is the killer." 1520 01:02:07,851 --> 01:02:10,552 And I go, like, "He is saying himself 1521 01:02:10,552 --> 01:02:12,221 "that he did the job?" 1522 01:02:12,221 --> 01:02:13,814 And he said, "Yeah." 1523 01:02:13,814 --> 01:02:15,146 He says, "What's more valuable, 1524 01:02:15,146 --> 01:02:17,022 "a book by a guy who was there 1525 01:02:17,022 --> 01:02:19,626 "or a book by a guy who actually pulled the trigger?" 1526 01:02:19,626 --> 01:02:21,869 David: I don't know what motivates a guy 1527 01:02:21,869 --> 01:02:24,788 to make up the story that says he killed Hoffa 1528 01:02:24,788 --> 01:02:25,903 before he died. 1529 01:02:26,272 --> 01:02:29,279 Well, these guys don't think the way the rest of us do. 1530 01:02:29,402 --> 01:02:32,712 I mean Sheeran was mostly concerned about the money 1531 01:02:32,866 --> 01:02:34,909 because he was going to die and he was broke, 1532 01:02:34,909 --> 01:02:36,912 and he needed to leave some money to his family. 1533 01:02:36,912 --> 01:02:39,164 Keith: I never bought the Frank Sheeran story. 1534 01:02:39,164 --> 01:02:41,917 I mean if you're the Mafia, all right? 1535 01:02:41,917 --> 01:02:43,418 If you're organized crime 1536 01:02:43,418 --> 01:02:46,421 and you're going to kill a person like Jimmy Hoffa, 1537 01:02:46,421 --> 01:02:47,214 kidnap and kill him, 1538 01:02:47,214 --> 01:02:48,632 why would you bring a guy 1539 01:02:48,632 --> 01:02:50,470 who's not part of your organization, 1540 01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:52,844 who's not subject to the rules and discipline, 1541 01:02:52,844 --> 01:02:54,846 who hasn't agreed to what you believe in? 1542 01:02:54,846 --> 01:02:57,267 Why would you bring in somebody from the outside? 1543 01:02:57,267 --> 01:03:00,268 They certainly had more than enough people capable 1544 01:03:00,268 --> 01:03:02,314 and, in the government's opinion, 1545 01:03:02,314 --> 01:03:04,731 more than enough people who murdered people in the past? 1546 01:03:04,731 --> 01:03:08,276 There is no need to go outside and find anybody else. 1547 01:03:08,276 --> 01:03:11,262 Scott: I have a hard time believing his story 1548 01:03:11,262 --> 01:03:12,910 strictly based on the fact 1549 01:03:13,064 --> 01:03:16,083 where he claims the murder took place. 1550 01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:19,545 He claims it took place off 7 Mile in Detroit 1551 01:03:19,545 --> 01:03:21,539 on a street named Beaverland, 1552 01:03:21,539 --> 01:03:24,715 which would be a good 20, 25-minute drive 1553 01:03:24,715 --> 01:03:26,307 from the Machus Red Fox. 1554 01:03:26,307 --> 01:03:29,143 And it's a house that he can't source to anybody, 1555 01:03:29,143 --> 01:03:32,226 he can't claim whose house it was 1556 01:03:32,226 --> 01:03:33,796 or why they took him there. 1557 01:03:33,796 --> 01:03:35,866 Dan: There was a DNA analysis done 1558 01:03:35,866 --> 01:03:39,742 on the blood stains found in the entrance to the house. 1559 01:03:39,742 --> 01:03:42,413 They proved not to be Hoffa, 1560 01:03:42,413 --> 01:03:44,028 which was really disappointing to a lot of us 1561 01:03:44,028 --> 01:03:46,149 because we really wanted to see this thing done 1562 01:03:46,149 --> 01:03:47,236 once and for all. 1563 01:03:47,236 --> 01:03:49,402 Scott: I personally have a difficult time believing 1564 01:03:49,402 --> 01:03:51,802 that the Mafia would set up the Hoffa hit 1565 01:03:51,802 --> 01:03:54,666 in any place that wasn't 100% controlled. 1566 01:03:54,666 --> 01:03:56,575 (sinister music) 1567 01:03:56,575 --> 01:03:58,416 Richard: He thought he was speaking to somebody 1568 01:03:58,416 --> 01:04:03,416 who was a large-scale Italian drug importer from Europe 1569 01:04:04,225 --> 01:04:05,457 who came through Canada. 1570 01:04:05,457 --> 01:04:09,384 And Tony Palazzolo brought the RCMP officer 1571 01:04:09,384 --> 01:04:11,214 to this sausage factory. 1572 01:04:11,214 --> 01:04:14,602 And as the RCMP officer described it, 1573 01:04:14,602 --> 01:04:16,057 it was like a 1574 01:04:16,057 --> 01:04:17,971 organized crime hall of fame. 1575 01:04:17,971 --> 01:04:21,422 When he walked in, he saw pictures on the wall 1576 01:04:21,422 --> 01:04:25,528 of Lucky Luciano, Al Capone. 1577 01:04:25,528 --> 01:04:26,938 There were crossed shotguns, 1578 01:04:26,938 --> 01:04:28,885 as if they were crossed sabers. 1579 01:04:29,024 --> 01:04:30,844 During the course of that conversation, 1580 01:04:30,844 --> 01:04:34,196 which was used at the trial, 1581 01:04:34,657 --> 01:04:39,163 Tony Palazzolo pointed to the Auger, which was enormous, 1582 01:04:39,163 --> 01:04:41,958 and he said, "That's where Jimmy Hoffa is," 1583 01:04:41,958 --> 01:04:42,746 or was. 1584 01:04:42,746 --> 01:04:44,877 "That's where we put him." 1585 01:04:44,877 --> 01:04:49,877 And that is where I believe Jimmy Hoffa went. 1586 01:04:50,137 --> 01:04:52,479 I think he was ground up, churned up, 1587 01:04:52,479 --> 01:04:56,926 and put in sausage or otherwise. 1588 01:04:56,926 --> 01:04:59,554 Scott: Tony Palazzolo is definitely known 1589 01:04:59,554 --> 01:05:01,681 as someone that was looked at 1590 01:05:01,681 --> 01:05:04,434 as a possible participant in the Hoffa hit. 1591 01:05:04,434 --> 01:05:07,496 He is someone that is currently in the 2000s 1592 01:05:07,496 --> 01:05:09,334 a Detroit mob captain 1593 01:05:09,334 --> 01:05:11,321 but at the time of the disappearance 1594 01:05:11,321 --> 01:05:14,194 was a up-and-coming young buck in the mob 1595 01:05:14,194 --> 01:05:16,474 that had made his name as a bodyguard and driver 1596 01:05:16,474 --> 01:05:18,663 for Peter "Bozzi" Vitale. 1597 01:05:18,663 --> 01:05:21,076 The Vitales are another group of mobsters 1598 01:05:21,076 --> 01:05:23,247 that had a lot of close ties with Jimmy Hoffa 1599 01:05:23,247 --> 01:05:24,846 and the Teamsters. 1600 01:05:24,846 --> 01:05:26,374 The fact that Tony Palazzolo 1601 01:05:26,374 --> 01:05:27,685 might have been involved in this 1602 01:05:27,685 --> 01:05:30,343 is frankly very easy to believe. 1603 01:05:31,961 --> 01:05:35,132 Keith: How did they get Jimmy into a car 1604 01:05:35,132 --> 01:05:37,021 when he was at the Red Fox 1605 01:05:37,021 --> 01:05:38,795 supposedly meeting Tony Giacalone? 1606 01:05:38,795 --> 01:05:40,164 If he goes, they seize him. 1607 01:05:40,164 --> 01:05:41,304 Who went to meet him? 1608 01:05:41,304 --> 01:05:42,890 Who was there to pick him up? 1609 01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:44,224 And who was there to explain 1610 01:05:44,224 --> 01:05:46,935 why he couldn't go with Tony Giacalone? 1611 01:05:46,935 --> 01:05:49,604 Billy Giacalone, his whereabouts on that day 1612 01:05:49,604 --> 01:05:52,566 are certainly not nearly as well known as his brother's. 1613 01:05:52,566 --> 01:05:54,150 If Billy had said, "Hey, look, Jimmy, 1614 01:05:54,565 --> 01:05:55,635 "Tony can't make it. 1615 01:05:55,635 --> 01:05:56,361 "He is here or there. 1616 01:05:56,361 --> 01:05:57,914 "Let's get in the car." 1617 01:05:58,571 --> 01:06:00,707 Dan: I know Vito Giacalone is in this thing. 1618 01:06:00,707 --> 01:06:03,368 Vito Giacalone is right in the middle of this whole thing. 1619 01:06:03,368 --> 01:06:05,579 I just can't figure out exactly where he is. 1620 01:06:05,579 --> 01:06:07,080 Mike: The State Police have been following 1621 01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,072 Billy Giacalone around that week that Hoffa disappeared. 1622 01:06:10,072 --> 01:06:12,713 They went out that morning that Hoffa disappeared 1623 01:06:12,713 --> 01:06:14,297 looking for him, and they couldn't find him, 1624 01:06:14,297 --> 01:06:15,672 and nobody saw him all day, 1625 01:06:15,672 --> 01:06:18,698 so that tells me that he was probably there 1626 01:06:18,698 --> 01:06:20,818 as the Detroit representative. 1627 01:06:20,818 --> 01:06:23,763 Scott: I believe, after talking to numerous sources, 1628 01:06:23,763 --> 01:06:26,975 both in the FBI and on the street itself, 1629 01:06:26,975 --> 01:06:29,041 guys that are actually in the mob, 1630 01:06:29,041 --> 01:06:34,041 I believe that Hoffa was taken less than two miles away 1631 01:06:34,406 --> 01:06:37,366 to the house of Carlo Licata. 1632 01:06:37,366 --> 01:06:41,909 Licata was a Detroit mob member, a mob soldier, 1633 01:06:41,909 --> 01:06:46,909 who was the brother-in-law of Jack and Tony Tocco. 1634 01:06:47,328 --> 01:06:51,249 Licata's house was less than a five-minute drive 1635 01:06:51,249 --> 01:06:53,050 from the Machus Red Fox. 1636 01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:57,181 Licata's house was also a place that Hoffa had been 1637 01:06:57,181 --> 01:07:00,883 to meet the Giacalones on several occasions before. 1638 01:07:00,883 --> 01:07:03,557 It was a house that was used as a meeting point. 1639 01:07:03,557 --> 01:07:07,198 Licata himself was a trusted member of the family, 1640 01:07:07,198 --> 01:07:09,334 related to the administration, 1641 01:07:09,334 --> 01:07:12,941 as well as the house was almost a perfect location 1642 01:07:12,941 --> 01:07:16,102 in the sense that it was back on a hill, 1643 01:07:16,102 --> 01:07:17,698 removed from the road. 1644 01:07:17,698 --> 01:07:19,569 Greg: We think that he probably went to 1645 01:07:19,569 --> 01:07:22,489 Licata's house that wasn't too far. 1646 01:07:22,489 --> 01:07:24,669 Mike: I think they got him in a house, 1647 01:07:24,669 --> 01:07:26,579 and I think Billy Giacalone was probably there. 1648 01:07:26,579 --> 01:07:29,706 I think somebody like Andrettas, Briguglio, 1649 01:07:29,706 --> 01:07:31,039 somebody like that was there, 1650 01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,166 and he was killed, 1651 01:07:32,166 --> 01:07:36,138 and then he was taken and disposed of pretty quickly. 1652 01:07:36,138 --> 01:07:38,279 Greg: We think that they disposed of the body 1653 01:07:38,279 --> 01:07:40,424 by taking it to the sanitation place 1654 01:07:40,424 --> 01:07:43,361 where they had contacts. 1655 01:07:43,361 --> 01:07:47,639 Scott: I'm convinced that within a half hour to a hour 1656 01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:49,566 of Hoffa breathing his last breath 1657 01:07:49,566 --> 01:07:51,270 that he was incinerated, 1658 01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:53,953 that the body ceases to exist, 1659 01:07:53,953 --> 01:07:58,460 and the ability to get rid of the body 1660 01:07:58,460 --> 01:08:02,212 was incredible with the Detroit mob 1661 01:08:02,212 --> 01:08:04,120 in the sense that they had three separate 1662 01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,138 sanitation companies all owned by mob members, 1663 01:08:08,138 --> 01:08:12,307 and the one that everyone looks at primarily, 1664 01:08:12,307 --> 01:08:13,706 Central Sanitation, 1665 01:08:13,706 --> 01:08:15,500 was owned by Jimmy Quasarano, 1666 01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:16,667 (camera flash) 1667 01:08:16,667 --> 01:08:17,944 Paul and Peter Vitale, 1668 01:08:17,944 --> 01:08:19,189 and Carlo Licata. 1669 01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:20,505 Keith: There are a number of people that think 1670 01:08:20,505 --> 01:08:22,340 Central Sanitation, the facility, 1671 01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:25,344 played a role in the disappearance of the body 1672 01:08:25,344 --> 01:08:27,264 of James Hoffa, 1673 01:08:27,264 --> 01:08:29,349 and clearly, Quasarano and Vitale 1674 01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:30,442 would have been people, 1675 01:08:30,442 --> 01:08:33,101 because of their equity interest in that company, 1676 01:08:33,101 --> 01:08:34,185 who would have, 1677 01:08:34,185 --> 01:08:36,592 had to be involved in the decision. 1678 01:08:36,592 --> 01:08:41,592 And remember, shortly after the events took place, 1679 01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:43,914 Central Sanitation burned to the ground. 1680 01:08:43,914 --> 01:08:44,801 Scott: And what I believe 1681 01:08:44,801 --> 01:08:46,761 really puts the theory over the edge 1682 01:08:46,761 --> 01:08:48,952 is that on the sixth-year anniversary 1683 01:08:48,952 --> 01:08:50,344 of Hoffa's disappearance, 1684 01:08:50,344 --> 01:08:53,371 on July 30th, 1981, 1685 01:08:53,371 --> 01:08:57,884 Carlo Licata himself ended up dead at that house 1686 01:08:57,884 --> 01:09:01,024 of two gunshot wounds to the chest. 1687 01:09:01,024 --> 01:09:02,046 (gunshot) 1688 01:09:02,046 --> 01:09:04,299 It was ruled a suicide, 1689 01:09:04,299 --> 01:09:05,633 but there are a lot of people, 1690 01:09:05,633 --> 01:09:08,261 both on the street and in law enforcement, 1691 01:09:08,261 --> 01:09:10,138 that believe this was anything but a suicide, 1692 01:09:10,138 --> 01:09:11,889 that this was a message. 1693 01:09:11,889 --> 01:09:16,889 Keith: And obviously, Mr. Licata met his demise in that 1694 01:09:17,085 --> 01:09:21,324 whether it's generally considered to be a pedestrian manner. 1695 01:09:21,823 --> 01:09:24,822 Scott: Anyone that would even consider giving information 1696 01:09:24,822 --> 01:09:28,951 about the Hoffa hit, no matter how close they are 1697 01:09:28,951 --> 01:09:30,846 to the leaders of the mob, 1698 01:09:30,846 --> 01:09:33,255 they will be sacrificed. 1699 01:09:33,255 --> 01:09:35,337 (sinister music) 1700 01:09:38,264 --> 01:09:40,167 Voiceover: The report names Carlos Marcello 1701 01:09:40,167 --> 01:09:41,514 and Santo Trafficante 1702 01:09:41,514 --> 01:09:44,047 as the most likely organized crime bosses 1703 01:09:44,047 --> 01:09:45,424 to have been involved. 1704 01:09:45,424 --> 01:09:48,050 It provides evidence, some of it inconclusive, 1705 01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:50,969 that they and Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa 1706 01:09:50,969 --> 01:09:54,331 threatened John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, or both. 1707 01:09:54,331 --> 01:09:56,875 Further, it suggests associations through which 1708 01:09:56,875 --> 01:09:59,327 they could have influenced accused assassin, 1709 01:09:59,327 --> 01:10:00,689 Lee Harvey Oswald, 1710 01:10:00,689 --> 01:10:03,023 or Oswald's killer, Jack Ruby. 1711 01:10:03,023 --> 01:10:05,987 Teamster boss Hoffa threatened John Kennedy, 1712 01:10:05,987 --> 01:10:07,633 Robert Kennedy, or both. 1713 01:10:07,633 --> 01:10:11,032 The committee documents still unexplained phone contacts 1714 01:10:11,032 --> 01:10:12,826 between Hoffa aides and Ruby 1715 01:10:12,826 --> 01:10:14,834 within a month of the assassination 1716 01:10:14,834 --> 01:10:17,664 and says Hoffa had the motive, opportunity, and means 1717 01:10:17,664 --> 01:10:19,264 to plan the murder. 1718 01:10:19,264 --> 01:10:20,458 Richard: Now prior to that, 1719 01:10:20,458 --> 01:10:23,693 there were two witnesses who were also subpoenaed to appear 1720 01:10:23,693 --> 01:10:25,380 before the Church Committee, 1721 01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:28,259 Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana, 1722 01:10:28,259 --> 01:10:32,183 and both of whom were executed 1723 01:10:32,183 --> 01:10:34,384 prior to their testimony. 1724 01:10:34,384 --> 01:10:38,267 So there is speculation that Jimmy Hoffa would have gone 1725 01:10:38,267 --> 01:10:40,311 to that committee and would have testified, 1726 01:10:40,311 --> 01:10:42,056 at least in part truthfully. 1727 01:10:42,164 --> 01:10:43,230 It's certainly clear 1728 01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:45,525 that those three murders were connected. 1729 01:10:45,525 --> 01:10:47,362 Dan: The CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro 1730 01:10:47,362 --> 01:10:50,905 really weren't known until many years later, 1731 01:10:50,905 --> 01:10:53,583 when Johny Roselli started talking, 1732 01:10:53,583 --> 01:10:56,268 and then the Church Committee had their hearings, 1733 01:10:56,268 --> 01:11:00,830 and it was understood that Jimmy Hoffa was cooperating 1734 01:11:00,830 --> 01:11:02,291 with the Church Committee. 1735 01:11:02,291 --> 01:11:05,931 Richard: I think that that was the culmination 1736 01:11:05,931 --> 01:11:09,299 and the concern of the people or person 1737 01:11:09,299 --> 01:11:11,480 who ended Jimmy Hoffa's life, 1738 01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:13,661 that before that committee, 1739 01:11:13,661 --> 01:11:16,264 Jimmy Hoffa was going to say something 1740 01:11:16,264 --> 01:11:18,401 that nobody wanted him to say. 1741 01:11:18,401 --> 01:11:22,677 (sinister music) 1742 01:11:22,677 --> 01:11:24,480 Keith: By 1990, I became the chief 1743 01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,485 of the Organized Crime and Racketeering Section, 1744 01:11:27,485 --> 01:11:30,155 and it was my unit that was charged 1745 01:11:30,155 --> 01:11:32,739 with investigating the Hoffa disappearance. 1746 01:11:32,739 --> 01:11:35,005 You would hear stories of guys who claim they were 1747 01:11:35,005 --> 01:11:38,452 asked to dispose of a car or bring a package here 1748 01:11:38,452 --> 01:11:39,745 or bring a box here, 1749 01:11:39,745 --> 01:11:43,718 and the Bureau correctly assiduously pursued all of those, 1750 01:11:43,718 --> 01:11:45,266 but I never believed that. 1751 01:11:45,266 --> 01:11:47,330 I think that these guys knew 1752 01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:49,647 that they had to keep this operation 1753 01:11:49,647 --> 01:11:52,010 to members of their own organization, 1754 01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:53,884 keep the number of people involved 1755 01:11:53,884 --> 01:11:57,073 in any substantive way as small as possible. 1756 01:11:57,073 --> 01:11:59,159 Richard: Every time a wise guy was picked up 1757 01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:01,502 or every time a case was indicted, 1758 01:12:01,502 --> 01:12:04,916 if it was traditional La Cosa Nostra, 1759 01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:07,315 people would be asked about it, 1760 01:12:07,315 --> 01:12:10,668 then they would inherently give the same answer, 1761 01:12:11,053 --> 01:12:12,536 which was nothing. 1762 01:12:12,956 --> 01:12:14,866 Keith: I would say the one that we became 1763 01:12:14,866 --> 01:12:17,303 most excited about and ultimately turned out 1764 01:12:17,303 --> 01:12:18,868 not particularly beneficial 1765 01:12:18,868 --> 01:12:22,260 was the DNA evidence on the hair sample and- 1766 01:12:22,260 --> 01:12:23,633 Greg: Analysis was done, 1767 01:12:23,633 --> 01:12:26,815 hair or more than one hair was found in the car 1768 01:12:26,815 --> 01:12:29,190 in the passenger compartment of the car 1769 01:12:29,190 --> 01:12:33,585 that indicated that Hoffa had been in that car. 1770 01:12:33,585 --> 01:12:35,324 We had hair from his hairbrushes, 1771 01:12:35,324 --> 01:12:38,295 and he said categorically unequivocally 1772 01:12:38,295 --> 01:12:41,436 that that dog had put Hoffa, 1773 01:12:41,436 --> 01:12:45,125 Hoffa's scent in the trunk of that, 1774 01:12:45,125 --> 01:12:47,397 of Joey Giacalone's Mercury. 1775 01:12:47,397 --> 01:12:49,318 That gives you the idea that he was transported 1776 01:12:49,318 --> 01:12:52,255 wherever he was killed in the passenger compartment, 1777 01:12:52,255 --> 01:12:53,619 and for whatever reason, 1778 01:12:53,619 --> 01:12:55,173 when he was transported somewhere else, 1779 01:12:55,173 --> 01:12:56,456 he was in the trunk. 1780 01:12:56,456 --> 01:12:58,077 David: Hoffa had been in that car. 1781 01:12:58,077 --> 01:13:01,978 But the question is was he in the car the day that he died 1782 01:13:01,978 --> 01:13:02,995 or the day that he disappeared? 1783 01:13:02,995 --> 01:13:04,109 Who knows? 1784 01:13:04,456 --> 01:13:07,375 Voiceover: In 2003, investigators dug under a swimming pool 1785 01:13:07,375 --> 01:13:08,797 in Northern Michigan. 1786 01:13:08,797 --> 01:13:12,132 In 2004, they ripped up the floorboards of a Detroit house. 1787 01:13:12,132 --> 01:13:14,032 Carol: Just where is Jimmy Hoffa? 1788 01:13:14,032 --> 01:13:15,383 And that question hasn't been answered 1789 01:13:15,383 --> 01:13:18,386 since the Teamsters boss disappeared three decades ago. 1790 01:13:18,386 --> 01:13:21,806 But this week, the FBI showed up at a Michigan horse farm 1791 01:13:21,806 --> 01:13:23,112 and started digging. 1792 01:13:23,112 --> 01:13:24,663 Dan: And I jumped out of my seat 1793 01:13:24,663 --> 01:13:27,109 and I did a quadruple fist pump, 1794 01:13:27,109 --> 01:13:32,109 hoping that it was the farm I wanted it to be. 1795 01:13:32,522 --> 01:13:34,304 And slowly but surely, 1796 01:13:34,304 --> 01:13:35,152 the information came out, 1797 01:13:35,152 --> 01:13:38,164 and it was Rolland McMaster's farm. 1798 01:13:38,303 --> 01:13:40,781 They tore down the barn. 1799 01:13:40,781 --> 01:13:43,200 They had to rebuild the barn, public money, 1800 01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,587 controversy. 1801 01:13:44,587 --> 01:13:46,621 The congressman out there raised hell, 1802 01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:48,919 and the dig stopped. 1803 01:13:48,919 --> 01:13:50,627 But the FBI said, 1804 01:13:50,627 --> 01:13:53,600 their last statement to the New York Times was, 1805 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:58,600 "We believe that Hoffa's body is buried here 1806 01:13:58,889 --> 01:14:00,736 "and that it has not been moved, 1807 01:14:00,736 --> 01:14:02,555 "and we may return to this place." 1808 01:14:02,555 --> 01:14:04,475 Mike: You're always going to have some boss somewhere 1809 01:14:04,475 --> 01:14:06,325 that wants to make his or her career 1810 01:14:06,325 --> 01:14:08,083 on the fact that they were the one who was in charge 1811 01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:09,562 when they found Jimmy Hoffa. 1812 01:14:09,562 --> 01:14:11,210 Bob: My name is Bob Foley. 1813 01:14:11,210 --> 01:14:13,161 I'm with the FBI's Detroit Division. 1814 01:14:13,161 --> 01:14:15,157 With me here, I've got Mike Bouchard, 1815 01:14:15,157 --> 01:14:16,538 Oakland County Sheriff, 1816 01:14:16,538 --> 01:14:18,121 and Geof Gaudard 1817 01:14:18,121 --> 01:14:20,537 with the Bloomfield Township Police Department. 1818 01:14:20,537 --> 01:14:23,721 The FBI and our partners are here this morning 1819 01:14:23,721 --> 01:14:25,580 to execute a search warrant 1820 01:14:25,580 --> 01:14:27,842 based on information that we have 1821 01:14:28,688 --> 01:14:31,803 involving the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa. 1822 01:14:31,937 --> 01:14:33,350 Keith: There's really stories that 1823 01:14:35,011 --> 01:14:37,764 he heard this story from Tony Giacalone. 1824 01:14:38,466 --> 01:14:40,825 Tony: Mr. Hoffa was picked up 1825 01:14:43,101 --> 01:14:45,681 and taken and buried alive. 1826 01:14:45,681 --> 01:14:46,474 [crosstalk] 1827 01:14:46,474 --> 01:14:48,392 Voiceover: Anthony Zerilli gave the information 1828 01:14:48,392 --> 01:14:50,736 claiming that the property that Hoffa was put on 1829 01:14:50,736 --> 01:14:53,397 at the time was owned by Jack Tocco, 1830 01:14:53,397 --> 01:14:56,412 his cousin and the convicted mob godfather of Detroit. 1831 01:14:56,412 --> 01:14:57,324 Keith: Looking for money, 1832 01:14:57,324 --> 01:14:59,445 he's had some financial reversals. 1833 01:14:59,445 --> 01:15:01,913 He's looking for money, trying to write a book, 1834 01:15:01,913 --> 01:15:04,367 trying to get somebody to pay him some money. 1835 01:15:04,367 --> 01:15:05,785 Richard: Who has a Twitter account, 1836 01:15:05,785 --> 01:15:07,913 who has a website and Facebook, 1837 01:15:07,913 --> 01:15:11,707 and a website that says HoffaFound.com, 1838 01:15:11,707 --> 01:15:13,041 writing a book, 1839 01:15:13,041 --> 01:15:15,004 who's supposedly going to disclose 1840 01:15:15,004 --> 01:15:16,871 where Jimmy Hoffa is buried. 1841 01:15:16,871 --> 01:15:18,272 It's a kind of behavior that would make 1842 01:15:18,272 --> 01:15:20,871 Lucky Luciano spin in his grave. 1843 01:15:20,871 --> 01:15:22,760 And that's what traditional organized crime 1844 01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,896 has come to here, at least here in Detroit. 1845 01:15:25,934 --> 01:15:28,766 Scott: To me, it is a giant wild goose chase. 1846 01:15:28,766 --> 01:15:31,686 The fact that there are people running around 1847 01:15:31,686 --> 01:15:34,577 trying to find a body is ludicrous. 1848 01:15:34,577 --> 01:15:38,116 Richard: Solving that crime, very improbable at best. 1849 01:15:38,116 --> 01:15:40,543 Mike: I think it would be nice, but it's not essential. 1850 01:15:40,543 --> 01:15:42,166 I think there's other more important things 1851 01:15:42,166 --> 01:15:43,815 the Bureau is involved in nowadays 1852 01:15:43,815 --> 01:15:46,032 than solving Jimmy Hoffa's murder 1853 01:15:46,032 --> 01:15:49,878 Dan: This does not happen in America. 1854 01:15:50,081 --> 01:15:52,464 This murder must be solved. 1855 01:15:52,464 --> 01:15:53,875 Keith: I don't know any case 1856 01:15:53,875 --> 01:15:55,746 in the history of the federal government 1857 01:15:55,746 --> 01:15:57,475 criminal investigation 1858 01:15:57,475 --> 01:15:58,842 that has been looked at 1859 01:15:58,842 --> 01:16:01,665 as many different ways and as many different times. 1860 01:16:01,665 --> 01:16:03,760 George: There's no easy answer to any of this, 1861 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,736 and I don't think we're ever going to know. 1862 01:16:06,013 --> 01:16:07,889 (sinister music) 1863 01:16:07,889 --> 01:16:10,152 (rewinding tape) 1864 01:16:10,152 --> 01:16:11,133 (gunshot) 1865 01:16:11,141 --> 01:16:11,684 (light music) 1866 01:16:11,684 --> 01:16:13,987 Dr. Russell: Yeah, I think both the champions of Hoffa 1867 01:16:13,987 --> 01:16:15,664 and his detractors are wrong. 1868 01:16:15,664 --> 01:16:17,233 His champions think 1869 01:16:17,233 --> 01:16:21,125 that he was this great, wonderful, crusading union leader 1870 01:16:21,125 --> 01:16:23,198 who cared about the working class and his rank and file. 1871 01:16:23,198 --> 01:16:25,111 I don't see any evidence for that. 1872 01:16:25,311 --> 01:16:28,996 His detractors see him as this immoral satanic figure 1873 01:16:28,996 --> 01:16:32,255 who was willing to sell out his members for anything. 1874 01:16:32,749 --> 01:16:35,414 Hoffa was simply a product of his times. 1875 01:16:35,414 --> 01:16:37,902 Hoffa was militant because he had to be. 1876 01:16:38,210 --> 01:16:41,996 Hoffa was able to be militant because he could be. 1877 01:16:42,657 --> 01:16:44,844 Hoffa was simply interested 1878 01:16:44,844 --> 01:16:47,553 in advancing himself and his career 1879 01:16:47,553 --> 01:16:49,409 and enlarging his power within the union 1880 01:16:49,409 --> 01:16:50,684 and the labor movement. 1881 01:16:50,684 --> 01:16:52,103 He had no other motives. 1882 01:16:52,103 --> 01:16:53,559 He was a product of his times, 1883 01:16:53,559 --> 01:16:56,278 and that explains why he was who he was. 1884 01:16:56,646 --> 01:16:59,567 Al: Jimmy Hoffa had outlived his usefulness, 1885 01:16:59,567 --> 01:17:00,733 and he knew too much, 1886 01:17:00,733 --> 01:17:02,959 so it was just easier to kill him. 1887 01:17:02,959 --> 01:17:04,829 He had played a very complex game 1888 01:17:04,829 --> 01:17:05,989 for a long time, 1889 01:17:05,989 --> 01:17:08,407 and eventually, he overplayed his hand, 1890 01:17:08,407 --> 01:17:09,243 and that was it. 1891 01:17:09,243 --> 01:17:10,969 Dr. Buccellato: Was he a true believer? 1892 01:17:10,969 --> 01:17:12,680 Because I think early on, 1893 01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,465 he was a true believer in terms of 1894 01:17:16,309 --> 01:17:17,466 workers' rights. 1895 01:17:18,001 --> 01:17:20,419 It becomes difficult for him to detach 1896 01:17:20,419 --> 01:17:21,338 (slow piano music) 1897 01:17:21,338 --> 01:17:26,059 from these partnerships that he formed with the underworld. 1898 01:17:26,059 --> 01:17:27,359 People are coming after him 1899 01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:29,787 within his own labor movement. 1900 01:17:29,787 --> 01:17:31,931 The feds are coming after him. 1901 01:17:31,931 --> 01:17:33,808 I think that's a nice way of thinking about it, 1902 01:17:33,808 --> 01:17:36,562 is Shakespearean tragedy. 1903 01:17:36,562 --> 01:17:40,425 How do you navigate through these complicated 1904 01:17:40,425 --> 01:17:42,032 moral questions? 1905 01:17:42,742 --> 01:17:44,906 Al: If it wasn't for Jimmy Hoffa and others like him 1906 01:17:44,906 --> 01:17:46,530 to fight on behalf of workers, 1907 01:17:46,530 --> 01:17:49,031 there wouldn't have been that huge middle class 1908 01:17:49,031 --> 01:17:51,157 that girded the country during the so-called 1909 01:17:51,157 --> 01:17:53,880 golden age of the '50s and '60s. 1910 01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:56,164 He had to get his hands dirty to do it, 1911 01:17:56,164 --> 01:17:59,379 and he loved the power and the perks that came with it, 1912 01:17:59,379 --> 01:18:01,769 but so do politicians like the Kennedys, 1913 01:18:01,769 --> 01:18:05,589 and so do the so-called captains of industry who he battled. 1914 01:18:05,589 --> 01:18:07,759 He didn't go to an Ivy League college, 1915 01:18:07,759 --> 01:18:09,343 he wasn't born with connections, 1916 01:18:09,343 --> 01:18:12,077 but he became one of the most powerful men in the country, 1917 01:18:12,077 --> 01:18:13,517 one of the most loved men 1918 01:18:13,517 --> 01:18:14,807 and one of the most hated. 1919 01:18:14,807 --> 01:18:16,217 (dramatic music) 1920 01:18:16,217 --> 01:18:18,914 They don't make men like Jimmy Hoffa anymore, 1921 01:18:18,914 --> 01:18:20,275 at least not in America. 1922 01:18:20,275 --> 01:18:25,275 (sinister music) 1923 01:18:35,307 --> 01:18:40,137 (soft music) 1924 01:18:40,999 --> 01:18:42,085 Man in glasses: I believe the Teamsters 1925 01:18:42,085 --> 01:18:47,020 are never going to take anything away 1926 01:18:47,020 --> 01:18:49,138 from their dedication to Mr. Hoffa 1927 01:18:49,138 --> 01:18:50,552 because he happens to be the person 1928 01:18:50,552 --> 01:18:52,469 that they knew and respected 1929 01:18:52,469 --> 01:18:54,730 for a great number of years. 1930 01:18:54,889 --> 01:18:56,474 I think they're all going to be delighted 1931 01:18:56,474 --> 01:18:58,400 over the fact that he's home. 1932 01:18:58,834 --> 01:19:01,145 I've had the association of knowing Mr. Hoffa 1933 01:19:01,145 --> 01:19:03,315 since he was a young man of 17 1934 01:19:03,315 --> 01:19:05,566 and I was a youth of 18, 1935 01:19:05,566 --> 01:19:07,746 and I hope that the fact that I'm a Teamster 1936 01:19:07,746 --> 01:19:08,903 is not going to deny me the right 1937 01:19:08,903 --> 01:19:10,196 to be able to say hello to him. 1938 01:19:10,196 --> 01:19:15,196 (soft music) 142115

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