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Dan: Jimmy Hoffa was an
enemy of orthodox society.
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Voiceover: Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa
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threatened John Kennedy,
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Robert Kennedy, or both.
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Scott: Hoffa was actually
a full-fledged informant
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by the end.
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Dan: Hoffa's association
with organized crime
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just quadrupled the
threat to this country.
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Dr. Buccellato: That the
Teamsters were protecting
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these drug traffickers.
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Voiceover: We have no information as,
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as to the fact that he is alive,
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but we don't know that he is dead either.
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Voiceover: More than 200 FBI agents
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are involved in the search for Hoffa.
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Voiceover: It is one of the most famous
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and enduring American mysteries.
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What happened to Jimmy Hoffa?
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Scott: Hoffa is seen
getting into this car,
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and the car is seen driving
away, never to be seen again.
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Hoffa vanished,
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and with this disappearance really started
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the most fascinating mystery
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in the criminal annals of America.
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Dr. Russell: Jimmy Hoffa
was born and raised
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in coal mining towns in Southern Indiana
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in the 1910s and 1920s,
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hardscrabble towns filled with
coal miners and bootleggers,
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a lot of whites from the South
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and emigrated to Southern Indiana.
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By the 1920s, it became a hub
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of the Ku Klux Klan nationally
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and where violence really
determined a lot of conflicts.
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In the towns he grew up in,
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there were more saloons
than there were churches.
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His mother was a single mother,
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who was forced to take
in laundry from neighbors
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to support the family.
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Hoffa lived on the edge
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throughout his childhood
and early adulthood,
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and I think that also
defined his outlook on life
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and his career.
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Al: So Jimmy Hoffa and his family
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arrived in Detroit in 1924,
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looking for better economic opportunities.
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Detroit was one of the
fastest growing cities
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in the country.
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It was also one of the most violent.
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Scott: You had the Italians
with several groups,
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the River Gang, the East Side Gang,
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the West Side Gang,
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the Jewish Purple Gang.
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And then you had other factions,
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such as the Lizard Gang,
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which is a Polish gang out of Hamtramck.
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A gangland economic boom
that was taking place
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not just in Detroit
but around the country,
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that was the situation
that Hoffa was coming up in
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as a young man.
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Al: Then the Depression hit,
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and it hit Detroit harder
than almost anywhere.
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Half the city was out of work,
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bread lines in the street.
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Thousands of people would show up
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for a single job opening.
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Dr. Russell: Hoffa was lucky to get a job
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as a warehouse worker unloading crates
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on a dock at Kroger's.
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He lived in a world in which
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poverty and unemployment was the norm
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and in which violence often determined
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the outcome of class struggle.
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Al: In 1932, the very bottom
year of the Great Depression,
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the year of the national crime wave,
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John Dillinger, Bonnie and Clyde,
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Jimmy Hoffa was about 19 years old,
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and he did something pretty amazing.
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He organized his first strike.
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Dr. Russell: I think it's
important to see Jimmy Hoffa
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as always having been an entrepreneur
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and looking at the labor
movement as an entrepreneur.
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He saw the potential for a strike
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not as a means to redo the economy
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or even redo the management of Kroger's
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but as a means simply
to make higher wages.
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Workers striking, refusing
to work was leveraged
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for simply economic means.
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Al: Hoffa was seeing the American system
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exposed all around him,
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Wall Street taking
advantage of Main Street,
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and the rise of gangsters and bandits.
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Dr. Buccellato: Land speculators,
banks gobbling up land
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foreclosing on small farmers.
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Al: For many people, men like
John Dillinger and Al Capone
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became the heroes.
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Doing whatever it took
to get ahead in life,
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that was what was important.
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Dr. Buccellato: Jimmy Hoffa
is growing up in the Midwest
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during the Great Depression.
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He's aware of the outlaw personality.
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He's part of the community
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that is marginalized.
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These communities are responding
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to people like John
Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd.
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So by the time that Jimmy
Hoffa becomes involved
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in labor politics,
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this is an important
part of his character.
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Al: I think the lesson
that Jimmy Hoffa learned
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from the Depression was
to fight tooth and nail
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for everything you could get
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because Big Business and the government
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were not the friends of the working man.
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Dr. Russell: His career
thrived in large part
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in a very unregulated economy
and political atmosphere
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in Detroit in the 1930s.
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He saw, in fact, that
workers could succeed
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more often than not
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in that sort of jungle environment.
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George: Rum owners and guys
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who were moving liquor into the country,
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they needed trucks.
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The Teamsters were driving those trucks.
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You've got the nexus
right there of the Mob,
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corruption, and laborers.
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And when Prohibition ends,
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that connections remain,
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and it just grows out of that.
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Dr. Russell: Often,
owners, business owners
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would hire thugs with
baseball bats and clubs
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and sometimes pistols
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to intimidate or beat union organizers.
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And quite often, those union
organizers would fight back
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with violence as well,
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and so many of these battles
are fought in the streets.
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Dr. Buccellato: Management and ownership
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breaking promises and breaking legs,
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it is morally acceptable
to fight fire with fire.
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George: The Mob was muscle,
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and the Mob worked for
whoever would hire them.
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In terms of the organized labor movement,
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there were times when corporate America,
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whether it's the garment
industry or whatever,
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would hire Mob muscle to
intimidate the unions.
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So it wasn't like the
Mobsters were embracing
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organized labor movement in America.
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The Mobsters went wherever
there was a payday.
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Dr. Russell: And workers often found
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that they could win those conflicts.
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In particular, Hoffa
found that those conflicts
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could be settled through their willingness
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to fight industries.
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Dr. Buccellato: For union rank and file,
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Jimmy Hoffa is a Robin Hood,
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and like Robin Hood,
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he may have to resort to extralegal acts.
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He may have to get his hands dirty.
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But in the end, his workers
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and these marginalized
communities are better off.
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Dr. Russell: Hoffa was
most likely involved
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in car bombings.
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You had to keep scabs
out of those workplaces.
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You had to keep replacement workers out,
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or else you had no
power as a union leader.
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Al: The first real documented proof
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of Hoffa's connection with the Mob
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comes in about 1937.
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Hoffa was married by this time,
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but he had an ex-girlfriend
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who was sort of a gangster moll,
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Sylvia Pagano, a.k.a. Sylvia Paris.
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Dr. Buccellato: At the time,
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Pagano is dating Frankie
"Three Fingers" Coppola,
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a bootlegger from Los Angeles
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who has a criminal record extending back
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to his youth in Sicily.
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Pagano introduces Coppola to Hoffa,
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and they become friends right away.
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Al: Frank Coppola associated
with Santo Perrone,
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a Detroit Sicilian mobster
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who was known for
providing goons and muscle
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to either unions or to businesses,
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again, playing both sides of the fence
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in various union battles in the 1930s.
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Dr. Buccellato: They come up with a plan.
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The Mob can provide muscle to back
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this union movement that is struggling.
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The odds are against them.
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The Mob will offer access to muscle
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to defend the workers, to counterattack.
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Al: The Teamsters, at this time,
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were engaged in a brutal strike
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with the Kroger's Supermarket chain,
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people being shot,
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heads being busted,
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and supposedly, Hoffa
asked his new friend,
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Santo Perrone,
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to hold his goons back and not help Kroger
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while the Teamsters tried
to fight this struggle.
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Dan: The old adage about Hoffa was that
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he wound up going to the Mob
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because he was trying to use them
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to go after stubborn employers
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who refuse to be unionized.
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In fact, he used the
Mob to go after the CIO,
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which was raiding the
Teamsters' turf in Detroit.
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Al: I think Jimmy Hoffa used the Mafia
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and other organized crime
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the same way he used everybody else.
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He was always the
smartest guy in the room,
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and I think to say that
the Mob controlled him
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or controlled the Teamsters is misleading.
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Dr. Russell: There's no evidence
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that he was ever beholden to them.
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There's no evidence that they
ever dominated his unions.
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Dr. Buccellato: I don't think
someone like Jimmy Hoffa
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makes a decision that,
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"Well, I'm going to become a racketeer."
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Rather, it's an organic response.
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Hoffa has an opportunity here
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to secure some type of defense
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on behalf of his workers
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by forming various partnerships
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with members of the underworld.
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George: Jimmy Hoffa recognized,
"This is the way to go.
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"This is the way to rise to the top,
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"and you got to get in
bed with these guys,
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"and they're going to benefit
and I'm going to benefit."
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Not complicated at all.
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Al: One of the most stunning claims
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about Hoffa and the Teamsters
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is that they were integral
to the development
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of the global heroin trade.
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Teamster trucks and
locals may have been used
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to help flood the United
States with Sicilian heroin
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in aftermath of World War II.
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And it all centered around
Hoffa's first friend in the Mob,
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Frank Coppola.
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Dr. Buccellato: A number of
congressional committee reports
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documented the relationship
between Coppola and Hoffa
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and the Teamsters.
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Now Coppola is a really
interesting character.
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He's a bootlegger in Los Angeles.
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He is a human trafficker in Mexico.
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He is a labor racketeer in Detroit.
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He's running drugs out of Cuba.
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He's all over the place.
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The United States deports Coppola in 1948.
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Communist Party is popular in Italy.
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The labor unions are
gaining strength in Italy,
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and the U.S. State Department
has a very real concern
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that Italy will fall into communist hands.
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And back in Sicily, he's
a political power broker.
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He has unique connections
to Italian senators.
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His brother is a powerful
member of the clergy in Sicily.
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Al: Even before the Nazis surrendered,
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the Cold War was begining,
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and the U.S. government was
making deals with criminals
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in former Fascism Europe
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to help fight a dirty
war against communism.
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In Italy, this was known
as Operation Gladio.
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Mafia boss of bosses, Lucky Luciano,
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was working with the U.S. government,
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and so was Jimmy Hoffa's
old friend, Frank Coppola.
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(sinister music)
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Dan: Coppola and Luciano got together
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and created a drug network.
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From Montreal, there were two routes.
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One was straight South into New York,
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where it was handled by
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a guy from the Bonanno crime family,
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a guy named Carmine Galante,
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and then across Canada, over
the Detroit River into Detroit.
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Dr. Buccellato: Congressional
committee reports identified
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Priziola and Quasarano as
two of the most significant
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and important drug
traffickers in North America.
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Dan: And Jimmy Hoffa, in
order to give these guys
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a facade of legitimacy,
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he set up a dummy local for them,
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Teamsters local for
them to operate out of.
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Dr. Buccellato: And the evidence suggests
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that for quite some time,
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New York Mafiosi were buying their heroin
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from the Detroit suppliers.
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Did Hoffa know about the
narcotics trafficking?
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I can't prove that.
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I suspect that someone as smart as Hoffa
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would not want to know
about what was going on,
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but I've interviewed retired
federal agents from FBN,
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and they contend that
within their offices,
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it was well known that the Teamsters
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were protecting these drug traffickers.
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(suspense music)
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Al: In 1952, Dave Beck became
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the new president of the Teamsters,
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and Jimmy Hoffa became vice president.
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This was the peak moment
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for the union movement
in the United States,
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the most members, the strongest voice,
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the most power.
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Dr. Russell: And government
leaders and business leaders
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both wanted to curb that.
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They wanted to curb the union movement.
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And it's crucial to
understand that that period
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coincided with the rise
in labor regulation,
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especially from the federal government.
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So in the '30s, when Hoffa was coming up,
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he was faced with constant
competition from other unions,
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which forced him to be
militant and accountable
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to his members.
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It forced him to be a good union leader.
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By the 1950s, it was all but impossible
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for unions to compete against one another.
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Al: So now with no outside
elements left to fight,
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Jimmy Hoffa turns his attentions inward.
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He goes after his own
president, Dave Beck.
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And Hoffa makes a deal with
some really bad people,
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(sinister music)
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including a New York
racketeer named Johnny Dio.
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Dio was infamous.
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He had been implicated in an acid attack
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on crusading journalist, Victor Riesel,
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where acid was thrown in his face
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and he was blinded permanently.
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George: Did the American labor movement
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go off track to a certain degree?
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Yeah, for sure, it did.
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But did corporate America go off track?
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Sure, it did.
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It's almost a human condition
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when you've got that much power,
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that much status, that much wealth.
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Al: So meanwhile, Hoffa
has an un-yet known nemesis
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crisscrossing the country
trying to bring him down,
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Bobby Kennedy,
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who's working for John McClellan,
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a senator running a Senate investigation
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into labor and union corruption.
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Dr. Russell: The McClellan
hearings was also a means
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through which to attack the union movement
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in terms of public relations,
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that the movement was full
of goons and criminals,
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people like Jimmy Hoffa,
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and that's really the purpose it served.
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Al: Hoffa knew he was next to be called
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in front of the Senate,
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but he had a plan.
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He tried to plant a spy right
inside Bobby Kennedy's office.
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Dan: Hoffa, trying to keep tabs
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on what the Senate committee was doing,
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was introduced to a guy
named John Cye Cheasty.
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Cheasty was an honest guy,
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and he went to Bobby Kennedy's people,
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and he said, "Listen,
Jimmy Hoffa has come to me
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"and made me this offer."
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Al: So Kennedy and Cheasty set Hoffa up.
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When he goes to pass the
money off to Cheasty,
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the FBI is there to arrest him.
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Dan: He gives the
documents to Jimmy Hoffa.
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Jimmy Hoffa gives him the money.
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This is all memorialized on film,
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and Hoffa is indicted,
charged with extortion.
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Keith: He was represented
by Edward Bennett Williams,
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who was the premiere criminal
defense attorney in America.
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He, being Williams, arranged to have
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Joe Lewis sit in the front row.
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And when the jury selection was going on,
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he shook hands with Joe Lewis.
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It's difficult again today
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to go back to realize what a symbol
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to the African-American
community Joe Lewis was
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in the '50s and the '60s,
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and this was a carefully
orchestrated event
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to give Jimmy Hoffa some credibility.
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Dan: The jury comes out,
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and sure enough, Jimmy Hoffa is acquitted.
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Al: August of '57, fresh
off his victory at trial,
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Jimmy Hoffa is finally called
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in front of the McClellan
Committee on Labor Corruption,
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and he and Bobby Kennedy go at it.
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Dan: The hatred between
Bobby Kennedy and Jimmy Hoffa
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was of mythical proportions.
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Dr. Russell: Kennedy really had
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a paternalist image of the world.
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He was a wealthy boy who was raised
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with this idea of noblesse oblige,
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the idea that the wealthy
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are obligated to help their lessers.
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He had to remove the
dictators who were oppressing
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the people of the Third World.
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He had to remove the dictators
from within the unions
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who were oppressing the working class,
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like Jimmy Hoffa.
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Al: I think Bobby Kennedy
saw all this as a chance
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to get himself some national exposure,
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probably at his father,
Joe Kennedy's suggestion.
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By creating a mythology of Hoffa
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being so dangerous to America,
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a tactic he learned at
the feet of Joe McCarthy,
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who was actually a family
friend of the Kennedys,
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he made himself into a
hero protecting America
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from the bad men like Jimmy Hoffa.
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Dan: Bobby Kennedy
thought that Jimmy Hoffa
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was an enemy of orthodox society.
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He believed that with
Hoffa having the ability
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to shut down this country with his control
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over the trucking union
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that he was a national security threat.
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(sinister music)
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and he believed that Hoffa's association
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with organized crime
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just quadrupled the
threat to this country.
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Consequently, Jimmy Hoffa was a person
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who had to be stopped.
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Dr. Russell: He was also
a very Christian man,
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with the idea that the
holy should save and redeem
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and uplift those who have not been saved.
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He saw the whole world
as a group of people
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inferior to himself
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who needed to be raised to his level.
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(suspense music)
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(dramatic music)
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Dr. Buccellato: I don't think
Hoffa ever viewed himself
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as a racketeer.
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In fact, to the extent
that he acknowledged
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his relationships with the underworld,
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he was actually unapologetic about it.
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Robert Kennedy: Did you say,
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"That SOB, I'll break his back?"
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Jimmy Hoffa: Who?
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Robert Kennedy: You.
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Jimmy Hoffa: Say it to who?
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Robert Kennedy: To anyone.
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Did you make that statement
after these people
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testified before the committee?
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Whose back were you going
to break, Mr. Hoffa?
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Jimmy Hoffa: Figurative speech.
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I don't even know who I was talking about,
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and I don't know what
you're talking about.
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Al: As for Bobby, his father,
Joe's money and influence,
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were the only reason the Kennedy brothers
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were such rising stars
on the political scene
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at such a young age.
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Dr. Russell: The federal
government really had no business
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in intervening in that.
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But Bobby Kennedy saw to it anyway,
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and in many ways,
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he and the Democratic leadership,
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with the CIO leadership,
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really put a web of constraints about,
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around the labor movement
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that destroyed labor activism.
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Al: Some of his close associates claimed
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he would write a check to
the boss and archdiocese,
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say, for a million dollars.
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The archdiocese would take 900,000 in cash
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from the parishioners' contributions
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and give it to Kennedy.
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Kennedy then could write off
his million dollar donation,
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and he had 900,000 in cash to pass around
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and grease palms
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to help his two sons get elected.
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(suspense music)
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So it must have been a real bitter pill
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for Jimmy Hoffa to swallow
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to sit in front of that Senate committee
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and be browbeaten
(sinister music)
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by the likes of the son of Joe Kennedy.
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The hearings eventually ended,
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and Teamster president,
Dave Beck, got indicted
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and sent to prison,
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and Jimmy Hoffa became
Teamsters president.
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So now, Jimmy Hoffa has the power,
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and it's time to pay back
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the people who helped him get there,
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and one of the ways he could do that
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was with the Teamsters pension fund.
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Dan: Which was operated by
a hastily thrown together
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insurance company called Union Casualty,
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which was run by a guy named Paul Dorfman
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and his son, Allan Dorfman.
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Keith: Huge amounts of the Las Vegas Strip
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were financed with loans from
the Central State Pension fund
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which was under the
control of Jimmy Hoffa.
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Al: The Tropicana, the Circus Circus,
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the Aladdin, Caesars Palace,
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the Hacienda, the Stardust, the Fremont,
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all of them funded with
Teamster pension money
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and all of them mobbed up.
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(sinister music)
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Dr. Russell: So what gets
lost in all of this talk
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about the Teamster's pensions
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and how it went to Las Vegas
and other Mafia endeavors,
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which is all true,
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it is also true their
pensions were tremendous.
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They were much higher
than they would have been
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have Hoffa not existed.
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Even during his corrupt phase,
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they were getting very wealthy pensions.
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They were getting wages
that were far higher
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than truck drivers were
making 20 years earlier.
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Jimmy Hoffa: Nobody in this
country respects what's weak,
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you believe me.
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But because we are financially solid,
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because we do have an organization
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that is equipped to handle any situation
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that comes in front of us,
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we're successful in
getting from the employers
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what our members want and
need with our strengths.
521
00:21:01,962 --> 00:21:04,339
George: Chicago, Cleveland, Kansas City,
522
00:21:04,339 --> 00:21:05,340
they would rack the money up
523
00:21:05,340 --> 00:21:07,466
depending on which mob families
524
00:21:07,466 --> 00:21:09,680
had a piece of that particular casino.
525
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,847
The number varies from 12
million to 20 million a year,
526
00:21:12,847 --> 00:21:15,892
from six casinos to 10
casinos, however many.
527
00:21:15,892 --> 00:21:18,259
Al: The Jewish Dorfman
was a towering figure
528
00:21:18,259 --> 00:21:19,812
in organized crime
529
00:21:19,812 --> 00:21:21,563
and wasn't afraid of violence.
530
00:21:21,563 --> 00:21:26,068
Dan: I got an anonymous
call to meet a source
531
00:21:26,529 --> 00:21:29,038
who's going to give me
information about Dorfman.
532
00:21:29,113 --> 00:21:32,702
Broad daylight, public place,
I'd even hesitate to go,
533
00:21:32,702 --> 00:21:36,163
and I got jumped there
and I got really ...
534
00:21:36,163 --> 00:21:37,913
It was the worst beating I've ever taken.
535
00:21:37,913 --> 00:21:40,124
George: A lot of them were prosecuted.
536
00:21:40,124 --> 00:21:41,751
A lot of the guys who
were involved in this
537
00:21:41,751 --> 00:21:43,627
were indicted and went to jail,
538
00:21:43,627 --> 00:21:46,048
but it was all about cooking the books.
539
00:21:46,048 --> 00:21:48,026
Al: The story of Allan
Dorfman in Las Vegas
540
00:21:48,026 --> 00:21:51,844
was dramatized in Martin
Scorcese's movie, "Casino,"
541
00:21:51,844 --> 00:21:54,818
and Dorfman himself was
gunned down in Chicago
542
00:21:54,818 --> 00:21:56,437
in the early 1980s.
543
00:21:56,437 --> 00:21:58,058
Newscaster: Here in
Chicago this afternoon,
544
00:21:58,058 --> 00:22:01,485
Allan Dorfman, a man with
reported ties to organized crime
545
00:22:01,485 --> 00:22:04,064
and to the Teamsters union
for the past 30 years,
546
00:22:04,064 --> 00:22:06,454
was shot to death in what
police are describing
547
00:22:06,454 --> 00:22:08,319
as a gangland-style execution.
548
00:22:08,319 --> 00:22:09,737
Voiceover: Dorfman died here
549
00:22:09,737 --> 00:22:11,364
in a suburban Chicago parking lot
550
00:22:11,364 --> 00:22:15,076
from as many as seven 22-caliber
gunshot wounds to the head.
551
00:22:15,076 --> 00:22:16,842
Reporter: Dorfman was
about to go to prison
552
00:22:16,842 --> 00:22:18,037
for his conviction last month
553
00:22:18,037 --> 00:22:20,330
in the Teamsters bribery conspiracy trial.
554
00:22:21,068 --> 00:22:25,211
(triumphant music)
555
00:22:25,211 --> 00:22:25,854
Voiceover: From his stronghold
556
00:22:25,854 --> 00:22:28,297
in the wild Sierra Maestra mountains,
557
00:22:28,297 --> 00:22:30,467
Cuba's Fidel Castro emerged triumphant
558
00:22:30,467 --> 00:22:32,093
after two years of guerilla warfare
559
00:22:32,093 --> 00:22:33,677
against the Batista regime.
560
00:22:33,677 --> 00:22:36,438
Al: In the late '50s, Jimmy
Hoffa got himself mixed up
561
00:22:36,438 --> 00:22:40,934
in the deepest levels of
America's secret politics.
562
00:22:40,934 --> 00:22:43,438
When Fidel Castro seized power in Cuba,
563
00:22:43,438 --> 00:22:46,316
Dwight Eisenhower told
the CIA to kill him.
564
00:22:46,316 --> 00:22:49,026
But of course, this was
easier said than done
565
00:22:49,026 --> 00:22:51,070
because the hit could never be linked back
566
00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:52,571
to the U.S. government.
567
00:22:52,571 --> 00:22:57,571
So, unbelievably, the
CIA contacted the Mafia
568
00:22:57,934 --> 00:23:00,037
to help them kill Fidel Castro.
569
00:23:00,037 --> 00:23:02,706
Mob bosses like Santo Trafficante,
570
00:23:02,706 --> 00:23:05,293
Carlos Marcello, and Meyer Lansky
571
00:23:05,293 --> 00:23:07,252
had lost tens of millions of dollars
572
00:23:07,252 --> 00:23:09,481
when Castro seized power,
573
00:23:09,481 --> 00:23:11,794
and they were the ones
that had the connections
574
00:23:11,794 --> 00:23:13,802
to the Cuban exile community
575
00:23:13,802 --> 00:23:16,637
that could help the CIA get poison in
576
00:23:16,637 --> 00:23:19,565
or get an assassin and take Castro out.
577
00:23:19,766 --> 00:23:23,227
The CIA's first contact with the Mob
578
00:23:23,227 --> 00:23:25,479
may well have been through Jimmy Hoffa.
579
00:23:25,479 --> 00:23:29,575
During this time, Hoffa's
right-hand man, Rolland McMaster,
580
00:23:29,575 --> 00:23:31,735
a high-ranking Teamster official,
581
00:23:31,735 --> 00:23:33,112
went down to Florida,
582
00:23:33,112 --> 00:23:35,198
set up a Teamster office in Miami,
583
00:23:35,198 --> 00:23:37,366
which was full of Cuban exiles,
584
00:23:37,366 --> 00:23:40,078
was a hotbed of anti-Castro activity.
585
00:23:40,078 --> 00:23:42,788
And right inside the
Teamster office in Miami,
586
00:23:42,788 --> 00:23:44,373
Santo Trafficante,
587
00:23:44,373 --> 00:23:46,751
one of the most powerful
mob bosses in the country,
588
00:23:46,751 --> 00:23:48,261
had an office.
589
00:23:49,045 --> 00:23:51,370
Dan: A guy named Bob Mayhew came in,
590
00:23:51,370 --> 00:23:53,508
was brought in to the plots
591
00:23:53,508 --> 00:23:55,676
by the head of Covert Operations
592
00:23:55,676 --> 00:23:57,803
for the Central Intelligence Agency.
593
00:23:57,803 --> 00:24:00,033
Al: Robert Mayhew, incidentally,
594
00:24:00,033 --> 00:24:01,982
was close friends and business partners
595
00:24:01,982 --> 00:24:05,561
with Jimmy Hoffa's old lawyer,
Edward Bennett Williams,
596
00:24:05,561 --> 00:24:08,822
and shared office space with
him back in Washington D.C.
597
00:24:09,106 --> 00:24:13,004
Dan: I interviewed Mayhew
just a few blocks from here
598
00:24:13,004 --> 00:24:15,738
at the Georgetown Inn here in Washington.
599
00:24:16,168 --> 00:24:21,017
He told me that his job was
to get to Santo Trafficante,
600
00:24:21,017 --> 00:24:22,660
who had been released
from the Cuban prison
601
00:24:22,660 --> 00:24:24,374
after he had been imprisoned by Castro
602
00:24:24,374 --> 00:24:27,674
in April of '59.
603
00:24:29,214 --> 00:24:32,047
But Mayhew didn't know Trafficante.
604
00:24:32,047 --> 00:24:34,047
He knew that it was going to take a boss
605
00:24:34,047 --> 00:24:35,591
to deal with another boss,
606
00:24:35,591 --> 00:24:37,092
but he didn't know a boss.
607
00:24:37,092 --> 00:24:39,386
But he did know a guy
named Johnny Roselli,
608
00:24:39,386 --> 00:24:42,139
and so Bob Mayhew worked
with Johnny Roselli,
609
00:24:42,139 --> 00:24:43,434
who brought in ...
610
00:24:43,434 --> 00:24:45,601
Johnny Roselli was a Chicago gangster,
611
00:24:45,601 --> 00:24:47,710
and so he brings in Sam Giancana,
612
00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:51,316
who, at the time, was the
acting boss in Chicago,
613
00:24:51,316 --> 00:24:54,235
and it was Sam Giancana who
brings in Santo Trafficante
614
00:24:54,235 --> 00:24:57,832
into what becomes a CIA-Mafia
plot to kill Castro.
615
00:24:58,239 --> 00:25:01,075
We have evidence to the
fact that Jimmy Hoffa
616
00:25:01,075 --> 00:25:05,078
was the original liaison
between the CIA and the Mafia
617
00:25:05,078 --> 00:25:07,040
and the Castro assassination plots
618
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,834
during that period between December 1959
619
00:25:09,834 --> 00:25:11,752
and August of 1960,
620
00:25:11,752 --> 00:25:14,922
when Bob Mayhew became
involved in those plots.
621
00:25:14,922 --> 00:25:18,723
Al: While the CIA-mob plots to
kill Castro obviously failed,
622
00:25:18,723 --> 00:25:21,428
they did have profound consequences,
623
00:25:21,428 --> 00:25:22,721
(sinister music)
which likely culminated
624
00:25:22,721 --> 00:25:26,442
in the murder of President
Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.
625
00:25:26,562 --> 00:25:29,103
The CIA's bungled maneuvering had created
626
00:25:29,103 --> 00:25:31,146
a dangerous nexus of players,
627
00:25:31,146 --> 00:25:33,774
ranging from Hoffa and the Teamsters
628
00:25:33,774 --> 00:25:36,278
to Cuban dissidents, mob bosses,
629
00:25:36,278 --> 00:25:37,028
(camera click)
630
00:25:37,028 --> 00:25:40,072
and fringe characters
like Lee Harvey Oswald.
631
00:25:40,072 --> 00:25:42,617
Dan: So when Bobby Kennedy
became Attorney General,
632
00:25:42,617 --> 00:25:45,869
he had a hit list of
organized crime figures
633
00:25:45,869 --> 00:25:49,838
and their associates whom he
had targeted for prosecution,
634
00:25:49,838 --> 00:25:53,168
and number one on that
hit list was Jimmy Hoffa.
635
00:25:53,168 --> 00:25:55,129
Al: Dan Moldea wrote the seminal book
636
00:25:55,129 --> 00:25:57,047
on Hoffa and the Teamsters
637
00:25:57,047 --> 00:26:00,843
right in the immediate aftermath
of Hoffa's disappearance,
638
00:26:00,843 --> 00:26:03,554
and he is convinced that
New Orleans mob boss,
639
00:26:03,554 --> 00:26:05,139
Carlos Marcello,
640
00:26:05,139 --> 00:26:07,557
who had his own run-ins
with Bobby Kennedy,
641
00:26:07,557 --> 00:26:09,810
conspired with Hoffa and others
642
00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:12,493
to somehow manipulate Lee Harvey Oswald
643
00:26:12,493 --> 00:26:14,482
into killing JFK
644
00:26:14,666 --> 00:26:18,861
and then had Mafia associate
Jack Ruby kill Oswald
645
00:26:18,861 --> 00:26:19,349
(gunshot)
646
00:26:19,349 --> 00:26:21,035
before he could spill the story.
647
00:26:21,035 --> 00:26:22,056
Voiceover: He's been shot.
648
00:26:22,056 --> 00:26:23,574
He's been shot.
649
00:26:23,574 --> 00:26:25,668
Lee Oswald has been shot.
650
00:26:26,410 --> 00:26:30,479
Dan: That the murder of John
Kennedy is a straight mob hit.
651
00:26:30,479 --> 00:26:34,710
Jimmy Hoffa, Carlos
Marcello, Santo Trafficante
652
00:26:34,710 --> 00:26:36,211
arranged and executed the murder.
653
00:26:36,211 --> 00:26:38,589
Al: Marcello, Hoffa, and Trafficante
654
00:26:38,589 --> 00:26:40,299
did share the same lawyer,
655
00:26:40,299 --> 00:26:42,009
a guy named Frank Ragano,
656
00:26:42,009 --> 00:26:44,098
who made the claim years later,
657
00:26:44,098 --> 00:26:45,764
when he was trying to sell a book,
658
00:26:45,764 --> 00:26:48,307
(camera flash)
that Hoffa had him carry
659
00:26:48,307 --> 00:26:53,307
the contract to kill JFK to
Marcello and Trafficante.
660
00:26:53,395 --> 00:26:57,858
Dan: The mob guys were
absolutely horrified
661
00:26:57,858 --> 00:26:59,147
as to what was going on,
662
00:26:59,147 --> 00:27:00,861
saying that they were going
to have to go back to Europe
663
00:27:00,861 --> 00:27:02,112
just to feed themselves,
664
00:27:02,112 --> 00:27:05,884
that Bobby Kennedy was just
destroying their businesses,
665
00:27:05,884 --> 00:27:07,827
that they would die themselves
666
00:27:07,827 --> 00:27:10,595
if they could get rid of Bobby
Kennedy as Attorney General.
667
00:27:10,595 --> 00:27:11,539
(slow beat music)
Al: I think the Kennedys
668
00:27:11,539 --> 00:27:14,133
were definitely playing
both sides of the fence
669
00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,102
when it came to organized crime.
670
00:27:16,102 --> 00:27:16,626
(sinister music)
671
00:27:16,626 --> 00:27:19,046
The FBI actually recorded a wiretap
672
00:27:19,046 --> 00:27:23,717
between Chicago mobsters Sam
Giancana and Johnny Roselli
673
00:27:23,717 --> 00:27:28,139
that their donation to JFK's
campaign had been accepted
674
00:27:28,139 --> 00:27:29,986
but that Bobby Kennedy wouldn't let up
675
00:27:29,986 --> 00:27:31,312
on them and their friends.
676
00:27:31,312 --> 00:27:32,692
(suspense music)
677
00:27:33,149 --> 00:27:35,854
(dramatic music)
678
00:27:35,854 --> 00:27:38,315
It was his fourth criminal
trial in 10 years,
679
00:27:38,315 --> 00:27:41,445
but this time, Bobby Kennedy
had a new trick up his sleeve.
680
00:27:41,445 --> 00:27:43,746
He had a mole inside Hoffa's camp
681
00:27:43,746 --> 00:27:46,825
that was feeding him information
as the trial was going on.
682
00:27:46,825 --> 00:27:47,910
Dan: The person who ended up
683
00:27:47,910 --> 00:27:50,014
being the key government witness
684
00:27:50,014 --> 00:27:53,955
against Jimmy Hoffa was a
guy named Ed Grady Partin
685
00:27:53,955 --> 00:27:56,629
from Baton Rouge, Louisiana, Local Five.
686
00:27:56,629 --> 00:27:58,211
He was a Teamster official.
687
00:27:58,211 --> 00:28:02,756
And Ed Partin had knowledge
of the fixing of the jury.
688
00:28:02,756 --> 00:28:04,861
In fact, when he called
the Justice Department
689
00:28:04,861 --> 00:28:06,469
and spoke with Walter Sheridan,
690
00:28:06,469 --> 00:28:07,844
who was the head of Bobby Kennedy's
691
00:28:07,844 --> 00:28:09,221
"Get Hoffa Squad,"
692
00:28:09,221 --> 00:28:12,599
he said flat out, "Hoffa
is fixing to fix the jury."
693
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:15,936
Al: The problem with all
this was Ed Partin himself.
694
00:28:15,936 --> 00:28:18,547
Partin supplied Kennedy
with the inside info
695
00:28:18,547 --> 00:28:21,233
to convict Hoffa on jury tampering,
696
00:28:21,233 --> 00:28:25,320
but Partin was a guy who've
been arrested for everything,
697
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,578
from manslaughter to
embezzling union funds,
698
00:28:28,578 --> 00:28:32,577
and he was actually out
on bail for those crimes
699
00:28:32,577 --> 00:28:34,871
when he miraculously saw the light
700
00:28:34,871 --> 00:28:36,915
and decided to help get Hoffa.
701
00:28:36,915 --> 00:28:37,875
Dan: And one of the reasons
702
00:28:37,875 --> 00:28:39,709
why Ed Partin had stepped forward
703
00:28:39,709 --> 00:28:42,880
was because Jimmy Hoffa had told him
704
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,063
that he was planning
to kill Bobby Kennedy.
705
00:28:45,382 --> 00:28:47,696
When Walter Sheridan
heard this information,
706
00:28:47,696 --> 00:28:49,678
they immediately put him on a polygraph,
707
00:28:50,247 --> 00:28:52,349
not just about the jury tampering business
708
00:28:52,349 --> 00:28:53,890
but about the attempted,
709
00:28:53,890 --> 00:28:56,651
the plot to murder Bobby Kennedy.
710
00:28:56,768 --> 00:28:59,515
Ed Partin passed the
polygraph test on everything,
711
00:28:59,897 --> 00:29:00,947
flying colors.
712
00:29:02,027 --> 00:29:05,826
September of 1962, another FBI informant
713
00:29:05,826 --> 00:29:08,905
was talking to a Mafia
guy named Carlos Marcello,
714
00:29:08,905 --> 00:29:11,507
who probably controlled Jimmy Hoffa.
715
00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:15,371
And Marcello said, "We're
not killing Bobby Kennedy
716
00:29:15,371 --> 00:29:19,124
"because everyone would know
in two seconds who did it
717
00:29:19,124 --> 00:29:21,669
"if Bobby Kennedy was found dead.
718
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:23,504
"We're going to kill the president,
719
00:29:23,504 --> 00:29:25,589
"the guy who controls Bobby Kennedy.
720
00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:26,799
"If you get rid of the president,
721
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,134
"you get rid of Bobby Kennedy,
722
00:29:28,134 --> 00:29:30,143
"and we've got a guy to do the job."
723
00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:34,623
Marcello's partner, alter
ego, Santo Trafficante,
724
00:29:34,623 --> 00:29:36,892
the Mafia boss of Tampa, Florida,
725
00:29:36,892 --> 00:29:39,478
was talking to another FBI informant
726
00:29:39,478 --> 00:29:41,106
named Jose Aleman,
727
00:29:41,106 --> 00:29:43,200
and he made it clear
that it was Jimmy Hoffa
728
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,360
who was making the arrangements
for the president's murder.
729
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,071
Al: In the weeks leading up to
Kennedy and Oswald's murders,
730
00:29:50,071 --> 00:29:53,977
Jack Ruby had numerous phone calls
731
00:29:53,977 --> 00:29:58,581
with people like Teamster
enforcer Barney Baker,
732
00:29:58,581 --> 00:30:00,499
who was suspected in many murders
733
00:30:00,499 --> 00:30:03,839
and had worked personally
for Hoffa and Myer Lansky.
734
00:30:04,392 --> 00:30:05,463
(suspense music)
735
00:30:05,463 --> 00:30:10,008
So, was Jimmy Hoffa involved
in a plot to kill JFK?
736
00:30:10,008 --> 00:30:13,595
The Church Committee, which
was a Senate investigation
737
00:30:13,595 --> 00:30:17,349
looking into U.S. intelligence operations,
738
00:30:17,349 --> 00:30:20,352
determined that Hoffa
had the means, motive,
739
00:30:20,352 --> 00:30:23,615
and opportunity to help
kill John F. Kennedy.
740
00:30:24,381 --> 00:30:26,157
But that doesn't mean he did.
741
00:30:26,258 --> 00:30:27,158
(suspense music)
742
00:30:31,012 --> 00:30:32,907
Dan: It was determined
that Hoffa had tampered
743
00:30:32,907 --> 00:30:34,953
with a member of the jury,
744
00:30:34,953 --> 00:30:39,204
and so he was re-indicted on
charges of jury tampering,
745
00:30:39,204 --> 00:30:41,840
for which he received
an eight-year sentence.
746
00:30:42,332 --> 00:30:44,793
He was convicted on a
second case in Chicago
747
00:30:44,793 --> 00:30:46,672
involving pension fraud,
748
00:30:46,672 --> 00:30:49,507
where he received another five years.
749
00:30:49,507 --> 00:30:52,517
So he was given a 13-year prison sentence.
750
00:30:55,095 --> 00:31:00,003
(victorious music)
751
00:31:00,003 --> 00:31:01,852
Voiceover: With his
raincoat covering handcuffs,
752
00:31:01,852 --> 00:31:05,314
Hoffa arrives at federal prison
in Lewisburg, Pennsylvania.
753
00:31:05,314 --> 00:31:07,297
He said his attorneys
would continue his fight
754
00:31:07,297 --> 00:31:08,700
while he's in jail.
755
00:31:08,858 --> 00:31:11,494
Parole is possible in 32 months.
756
00:31:11,571 --> 00:31:13,023
At $100,000 annually,
757
00:31:13,023 --> 00:31:15,995
he is the nation's highest paid prisoner.
758
00:31:16,257 --> 00:31:19,788
Al: So Jimmy Hoffa gets sent
to Lewisburg Federal Prison.
759
00:31:20,034 --> 00:31:23,207
Things get even more
complicated for Hoffa there
760
00:31:23,207 --> 00:31:26,043
because he's housed with
Genovese mob captain,
761
00:31:26,043 --> 00:31:27,627
Tony Provenzano,
762
00:31:27,627 --> 00:31:30,964
who was also the president
of a huge Teamster local
763
00:31:30,964 --> 00:31:32,841
in New Jersey at the time,
764
00:31:32,841 --> 00:31:36,220
and the two of them actually
got into a fistfight,
765
00:31:36,220 --> 00:31:39,181
with Hoffa yelling, "It's guys like you
766
00:31:39,181 --> 00:31:41,690
"that got me in here in the first place."
767
00:31:41,690 --> 00:31:44,436
At the time all this
is going on in prison,
768
00:31:44,436 --> 00:31:49,436
a national mob war is brewing
out in the real world.
769
00:31:49,499 --> 00:31:53,695
Dan: 1964, '65, '66 was the Bonanno wars,
770
00:31:53,695 --> 00:31:55,906
Joe Bonanno's son, Bill Bonanno,
771
00:31:55,906 --> 00:31:59,371
deciding to whack three of the
heads of the five families.
772
00:31:59,371 --> 00:32:00,744
(gunshots)
773
00:32:00,744 --> 00:32:03,663
Joe Bonanno wound up in Tucson, Arizona.
774
00:32:03,663 --> 00:32:05,832
And in Tucson, Arizona,
775
00:32:05,832 --> 00:32:09,169
he made a pact with two Southern
organized crime figures.
776
00:32:09,169 --> 00:32:12,964
One was Carlos Marcello, the
Mafia boss of New Orleans,
777
00:32:12,964 --> 00:32:16,184
and the other was Santo
Trafficante of Tampa.
778
00:32:16,552 --> 00:32:20,491
Al: If the Bonanno-Marcello-Trafficante
Southern powers
779
00:32:20,491 --> 00:32:22,223
could control Hoffa,
780
00:32:22,223 --> 00:32:23,517
they probably could control
781
00:32:23,517 --> 00:32:26,437
the single biggest prize in the country,
782
00:32:26,437 --> 00:32:27,983
the Teamster pension fund,
783
00:32:27,983 --> 00:32:29,942
which was really the goose that was laying
784
00:32:29,942 --> 00:32:32,033
golden egg after golden egg.
785
00:32:33,001 --> 00:32:35,698
Ultimately, the Mafia
commission patched up
786
00:32:35,698 --> 00:32:37,906
the rift between the Mafia families,
787
00:32:37,906 --> 00:32:40,995
and Jimmy Hoffa was left
on the outside looking in
788
00:32:40,995 --> 00:32:44,162
but now with a new
deadly enemy in the form
789
00:32:44,162 --> 00:32:46,265
of Anthony "Tony Pro" Provenzano.
790
00:32:46,265 --> 00:32:47,548
(suspense music)
791
00:32:48,500 --> 00:32:49,586
Jimmy Hoffa: A murderer upstairs
792
00:32:49,586 --> 00:32:52,087
or a man with 50 years alongside of you.
793
00:32:52,087 --> 00:32:55,507
And when you're trying to
sleep under those conditions,
794
00:32:55,507 --> 00:32:57,717
unless you have a tremendous willpower,
795
00:32:57,717 --> 00:32:59,970
you're constantly one eye open,
796
00:32:59,970 --> 00:33:01,930
looking to see whether or
not you'll survive the night
797
00:33:01,930 --> 00:33:03,064
for the next day.
798
00:33:03,349 --> 00:33:08,349
(clapping)
(jolly music)
799
00:33:28,644 --> 00:33:32,586
Dr. Russell: From the
1930s through the 1970s,
800
00:33:32,586 --> 00:33:34,633
most unions were giving their money,
801
00:33:34,633 --> 00:33:36,506
their campaign money to Democrats.
802
00:33:36,506 --> 00:33:39,092
Hoffa gave his money
to whomever would help
803
00:33:39,092 --> 00:33:40,761
the Teamsters and himself,
804
00:33:40,761 --> 00:33:42,555
and so sometimes he gave
his money to Democrats,
805
00:33:42,555 --> 00:33:43,638
sometimes to Republicans.
806
00:33:43,638 --> 00:33:46,393
By the early 1970s, when he was in prison,
807
00:33:46,393 --> 00:33:47,689
Richard Nixon was president,
808
00:33:47,689 --> 00:33:49,118
and it became quite convenient
809
00:33:49,118 --> 00:33:53,386
for the Teamster to give money
to Nixon and the Republicans,
810
00:33:53,386 --> 00:33:56,326
and in exchange, he received a pardon.
811
00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:57,736
Jimmy Hoffa: I appreciate the fact
812
00:33:57,736 --> 00:34:00,238
that he signed the commutation papers.
813
00:34:00,238 --> 00:34:02,324
Whatever effect it will have
on the members, I can't say.
814
00:34:02,324 --> 00:34:03,700
I haven't talked to any members.
815
00:34:03,700 --> 00:34:06,119
Reporter: Do you regard this
as a strictly political move?
816
00:34:06,119 --> 00:34:07,036
Jimmy Hoffa: No, I do not.
817
00:34:07,036 --> 00:34:09,228
I think it was a regular
routine commutation
818
00:34:09,228 --> 00:34:11,041
based upon my time served,
819
00:34:11,041 --> 00:34:13,665
based upon my sentence and the
background of the sentence.
820
00:34:13,665 --> 00:34:15,003
Reporter: Do you plan
on supporting him soon
821
00:34:15,003 --> 00:34:17,094
because he [unintelligible] or what?
822
00:34:17,094 --> 00:34:18,966
Jimmy Hoffa: It's too far
away to make any prediction
823
00:34:18,966 --> 00:34:20,259
of what I will do politically.
824
00:34:20,259 --> 00:34:21,467
George: Now why would Nixon do that
825
00:34:21,467 --> 00:34:23,205
and if Hoffa was this terrible
826
00:34:23,650 --> 00:34:26,436
organized labor figure/gangster,
827
00:34:26,436 --> 00:34:28,016
why is he entitled to a pardon?
828
00:34:28,016 --> 00:34:30,185
Those kind of things were
all questions back then.
829
00:34:30,185 --> 00:34:32,313
It certainly undermined
Nixon to a great degree.
830
00:34:32,313 --> 00:34:33,612
I mean that was one of the many things
831
00:34:33,612 --> 00:34:36,042
that when people started
to talk about Nixon
832
00:34:36,042 --> 00:34:40,862
as a president who
didn't play by the rules,
833
00:34:40,862 --> 00:34:42,864
Nixon as a president who ultimately became
834
00:34:42,864 --> 00:34:44,866
the paranoid president,
835
00:34:44,866 --> 00:34:46,326
this was an example of that.
836
00:34:46,326 --> 00:34:47,869
This was Nixon, the deal-maker.
837
00:34:47,869 --> 00:34:51,081
Al: While Jimmy Hoffa was
in prison from '67 to '71,
838
00:34:51,357 --> 00:34:53,792
America changed a lot.
839
00:34:53,792 --> 00:34:55,293
And when he got out,
840
00:34:55,293 --> 00:34:58,381
Hoffa's time had really
passed in a lot of ways.
841
00:34:58,381 --> 00:35:01,696
George: Hoffa, for one segment
of the American population,
842
00:35:01,696 --> 00:35:06,006
epitomized organized labor
working for the blue collar,
843
00:35:06,006 --> 00:35:07,057
the common man,
844
00:35:07,057 --> 00:35:08,181
giving him his rights,
845
00:35:08,181 --> 00:35:10,683
giving him decent wages
and working conditions.
846
00:35:10,683 --> 00:35:12,685
But for the people that were involved
847
00:35:12,685 --> 00:35:16,023
in the protests of the
1960s that wanted change,
848
00:35:16,023 --> 00:35:16,791
that were progressive,
849
00:35:16,791 --> 00:35:17,733
that were liberal,
850
00:35:17,733 --> 00:35:20,026
organized labor had
become, in a lot of ways,
851
00:35:20,026 --> 00:35:21,070
part of the problem.
852
00:35:21,070 --> 00:35:23,459
The sons and daughters
of blue-collar workers
853
00:35:23,459 --> 00:35:25,489
wh had gone on to get an education
854
00:35:25,489 --> 00:35:27,034
kind of looked askance at all of that.
855
00:35:27,034 --> 00:35:29,874
They didn't appreciate what
unions really were about.
856
00:35:29,874 --> 00:35:32,247
What they saw were unions
corrupting the system.
857
00:35:32,247 --> 00:35:34,583
And I think Hoffa
epitomized that for them.
858
00:35:34,583 --> 00:35:36,210
On the other hand, he epitomized
859
00:35:36,210 --> 00:35:38,628
the champion for the common man
860
00:35:38,628 --> 00:35:40,715
for the earlier generation of workers.
861
00:35:40,715 --> 00:35:43,175
Al: Teamster Vice
President Frank Fitzsimmons
862
00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:46,304
was running the Teamsters show,
with Hoffa away in prison,
863
00:35:46,304 --> 00:35:48,849
and he was even more accommodating
864
00:35:48,849 --> 00:35:51,813
than Hoffa had been to organized crime.
865
00:35:51,813 --> 00:35:55,194
Dan: But Fitzsimmons just let
everyone to do their thing.
866
00:35:55,586 --> 00:35:56,813
That's the way he liked it,
867
00:35:56,813 --> 00:35:59,783
and that's the way the
vice presidents liked it,
868
00:35:59,783 --> 00:36:02,151
and that's the way the mob liked it.
869
00:36:02,151 --> 00:36:03,862
Frank: For this union nor I
870
00:36:03,862 --> 00:36:06,491
am in the hands of organized crime.
871
00:36:06,491 --> 00:36:08,429
This union has nothing to hide
872
00:36:08,429 --> 00:36:10,960
under general presidency
of Frank Fitzsimmons.
873
00:36:10,994 --> 00:36:12,283
Keith: Many of these guys
874
00:36:12,513 --> 00:36:15,292
had feathered their own
personal nests pretty well
875
00:36:15,292 --> 00:36:18,002
during the Fitzsimmons tenure.
876
00:36:18,002 --> 00:36:18,793
Richard: And the only thing
877
00:36:18,793 --> 00:36:20,420
that he was looking at at that point
878
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:21,963
was trying to get back into
879
00:36:21,963 --> 00:36:24,598
the leadership position with the union,
880
00:36:24,598 --> 00:36:26,725
who didn't seem to want
him around anymore.
881
00:36:26,725 --> 00:36:28,887
Scott: He really only had
one thing on his mind,
882
00:36:28,887 --> 00:36:32,599
which was claiming back
the Teamsters presidency.
883
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:36,436
This was his baby, really his joy in life,
884
00:36:36,436 --> 00:36:38,647
was being the president of the Teamsters.
885
00:36:38,647 --> 00:36:40,440
Keith: Even though he had been involved
886
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:41,650
with organized crime,
887
00:36:41,650 --> 00:36:44,861
he always figured it
was a 50-50 relationship
888
00:36:44,861 --> 00:36:46,988
where he was getting things from them
889
00:36:46,988 --> 00:36:49,574
in return for giving things to them
890
00:36:49,574 --> 00:36:51,910
not only personally but
for the labor movement.
891
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:53,787
He thought that Frank Fitzsimmons
892
00:36:53,787 --> 00:36:58,417
had become a lackey for the
members of organized crime,
893
00:36:58,417 --> 00:37:00,486
and he was very interested
in getting back in
894
00:37:00,486 --> 00:37:02,045
to the Teamsters union.
895
00:37:02,045 --> 00:37:03,685
He was going to do whatever he could
896
00:37:03,685 --> 00:37:05,478
to get his power back,
897
00:37:05,478 --> 00:37:08,766
and if that involved agreeing to
898
00:37:08,766 --> 00:37:11,715
or deciding to take some
of the mob influence
899
00:37:11,715 --> 00:37:13,098
out of the union,
900
00:37:13,098 --> 00:37:16,060
Hoffa was willing to do
that to get the power back.
901
00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:18,194
Scott: Hoffa's desperation reached a point
902
00:37:18,194 --> 00:37:21,361
where my sources in the
federal government tell me
903
00:37:21,361 --> 00:37:23,776
that he actually became an FBI informant.
904
00:37:23,776 --> 00:37:27,455
This is a well-kept secret in the fact
905
00:37:27,455 --> 00:37:29,990
that it really hasn't been public record
906
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:31,917
but that Hoffa was actually
907
00:37:31,917 --> 00:37:33,870
a full-fledged informant by the end.
908
00:37:33,870 --> 00:37:35,705
There was an actual quid pro quo
909
00:37:35,705 --> 00:37:38,957
between Hoffa and his handlers
in the federal government,
910
00:37:38,957 --> 00:37:39,918
in the FBI,
911
00:37:39,918 --> 00:37:42,814
that in exchange for Hoffa
feeding them information
912
00:37:42,814 --> 00:37:43,753
about what he knew,
913
00:37:43,753 --> 00:37:45,046
the FBI, the federal government
914
00:37:45,046 --> 00:37:47,591
was going to help lift the restriction
915
00:37:47,591 --> 00:37:49,425
on Hoffa's ability to run
916
00:37:49,425 --> 00:37:51,094
for the presidency of the Teamsters
917
00:37:51,094 --> 00:37:53,440
and that he would be
allowed to run in 1976.
918
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,142
The word on the street was
that Hoffa's restriction
919
00:37:57,142 --> 00:37:59,020
was most likely to be lifted
920
00:37:59,020 --> 00:38:03,281
was really a problem for the mob
921
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,358
in the sense that they realized
922
00:38:05,358 --> 00:38:07,071
that Hoffa had enough support
923
00:38:07,071 --> 00:38:09,654
and enough momentum behind him
924
00:38:09,654 --> 00:38:12,741
that he could easily
win that 1976 election.
925
00:38:12,741 --> 00:38:15,243
George: For Machiavelli,
fortune favors the bold.
926
00:38:15,243 --> 00:38:17,912
He was going to make a bold
move to try to come back.
927
00:38:17,912 --> 00:38:19,873
But I think there were just
too many players involved,
928
00:38:19,873 --> 00:38:22,173
too many people who didn't
want him to come back,
929
00:38:22,173 --> 00:38:25,420
and he couldn't control all
the events and all the players,
930
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:27,547
as he could have maybe 20 years earlier,
931
00:38:27,547 --> 00:38:30,383
when he was at the peak of his
power in the Teamsters union.
932
00:38:30,383 --> 00:38:32,176
Scott: So Hoffa's relationship
933
00:38:32,176 --> 00:38:34,906
with the Mafia is quickly deteriorating.
934
00:38:34,906 --> 00:38:37,515
His really only life raft at this point
935
00:38:37,515 --> 00:38:38,975
are the Giacalone brothers,
936
00:38:38,975 --> 00:38:40,602
Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone
937
00:38:40,602 --> 00:38:42,354
and Vito "Billy Jack" Giacalone,
938
00:38:42,354 --> 00:38:44,230
the street bosses of the Detroit Mafia,
939
00:38:44,230 --> 00:38:47,025
the men that are really the faces
940
00:38:47,025 --> 00:38:48,945
of organized crime in Detroit.
941
00:38:48,945 --> 00:38:50,028
They do all the dirty work.
942
00:38:50,028 --> 00:38:51,362
They're the junkyard dogs,
943
00:38:51,362 --> 00:38:54,292
and they have long been Hoffa's contacts.
944
00:38:54,292 --> 00:38:56,370
Greg: The Detroit family goes way back.
945
00:38:56,370 --> 00:38:58,495
I mean it's one of the original families.
946
00:38:58,495 --> 00:39:00,329
It's part of the Commission,
947
00:39:00,329 --> 00:39:01,986
part of the National Comission.
948
00:39:01,986 --> 00:39:03,822
Bill: Through my years of undercover work,
949
00:39:03,822 --> 00:39:07,987
I don't believe that I was
ever able to really penetrate
950
00:39:07,987 --> 00:39:10,590
the mob, the Detroit Mafia, if you will.
951
00:39:10,590 --> 00:39:14,010
These people had charisma.
952
00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:16,637
Some of them were very likable people.
953
00:39:16,637 --> 00:39:20,088
I think they were friendly,
but from a distance,
954
00:39:20,088 --> 00:39:21,893
from afar, they were
not the kind of people
955
00:39:21,893 --> 00:39:25,420
that would take a shining to strangers.
956
00:39:25,420 --> 00:39:27,316
As part of their culture, their makeup,
957
00:39:27,316 --> 00:39:29,734
they don't deal with strangers.
958
00:39:29,734 --> 00:39:30,861
Scott: The mob knew the only way
959
00:39:30,861 --> 00:39:32,353
to get Hoffa out in the open
960
00:39:32,353 --> 00:39:33,446
was to lure him,
961
00:39:33,446 --> 00:39:36,227
and that lure was Tony Pro Provenzano.
962
00:39:36,518 --> 00:39:38,710
Hoffa understood the only way
963
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:42,372
that he was going to get the
requisite number of delegates
964
00:39:42,372 --> 00:39:45,249
to take back the Teamsters
union in the '76 election
965
00:39:45,249 --> 00:39:47,211
was to make peace with Tony Provenzano,
966
00:39:47,211 --> 00:39:50,296
a man that he had actually
put into power in the union,
967
00:39:50,296 --> 00:39:52,455
was very good friends with until they had
968
00:39:52,455 --> 00:39:55,009
a rather bitter falling out in prison.
969
00:39:55,009 --> 00:39:57,221
Hoffa knew he had to squash the beef.
970
00:39:57,221 --> 00:40:00,557
The Giacalones knew that bringing
971
00:40:00,557 --> 00:40:03,019
Tony Provenzano to Detroit as a lure
972
00:40:03,019 --> 00:40:04,852
would be the way to get
Hoffa out in the open
973
00:40:04,852 --> 00:40:06,909
because Hoffa needed that support.
974
00:40:06,909 --> 00:40:09,493
Richard: I mean there was
a saying in Detroit that
975
00:40:09,493 --> 00:40:12,027
if you didn't know that person
976
00:40:12,027 --> 00:40:14,521
when he was sucking his Mama's breast,
977
00:40:14,521 --> 00:40:15,532
stay away from him.
978
00:40:15,532 --> 00:40:16,681
Don't trust him.
979
00:40:16,681 --> 00:40:19,332
And that's the way they acted.
980
00:40:19,332 --> 00:40:20,827
They grew up together.
981
00:40:20,827 --> 00:40:22,288
They socialized together.
982
00:40:22,288 --> 00:40:24,956
They married one another.
983
00:40:24,956 --> 00:40:27,333
And they died together.
984
00:40:27,333 --> 00:40:31,179
Insulated protected group by themselves.
985
00:40:31,297 --> 00:40:34,775
Scott: It was appropriate,
in Hoffa's mind,
986
00:40:34,775 --> 00:40:37,302
that Giacalone would be
acting as the go-between.
987
00:40:37,302 --> 00:40:42,302
Tony Provenzano's first cousin
was Tony Giacalone's wife.
988
00:40:42,980 --> 00:40:45,519
The Giacalone brothers were
actually going to his house,
989
00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:48,396
I believe, on July 26th and July 27th,
990
00:40:48,396 --> 00:40:52,859
trying to A) get Hoffa to come
out of hiding, if you will.
991
00:40:52,859 --> 00:40:55,014
He was very cautious about
who he was dealing with
992
00:40:55,014 --> 00:40:56,495
out in the public.
993
00:40:56,495 --> 00:40:59,615
And they also wanted to ease his worries
994
00:40:59,615 --> 00:41:00,910
that he was in danger.
995
00:41:00,910 --> 00:41:02,579
Well, in fact, he was in danger,
996
00:41:02,579 --> 00:41:04,291
but the Giacalones were
playing both sides of the fence
997
00:41:04,291 --> 00:41:05,289
at this point.
998
00:41:05,289 --> 00:41:08,501
They arranged a meeting
at the Machus Red Fox
999
00:41:08,501 --> 00:41:13,501
for 2:00 on July 30th, 1975.
1000
00:41:13,839 --> 00:41:16,929
Hoffa felt comfortable
going to that meeting
1001
00:41:16,929 --> 00:41:19,638
because he was told
that both Tony Giacalone
1002
00:41:19,638 --> 00:41:21,971
and Lenny Schultz would be at that meeting
1003
00:41:21,971 --> 00:41:23,574
brokering the deal.
1004
00:41:23,574 --> 00:41:28,478
Hoffa was willing then to bury
the hatchet with Provenzano
1005
00:41:28,478 --> 00:41:30,983
if Provenzano came to Detroit.
1006
00:41:30,983 --> 00:41:33,324
The Giacalones convinced Hoffa
1007
00:41:33,324 --> 00:41:34,942
that Provenzano was coming to Detroit,
1008
00:41:34,942 --> 00:41:37,487
so they set that meeting
for that afternoon.
1009
00:41:37,487 --> 00:41:41,617
Hoffa lounged around the house
for most of that morning.
1010
00:41:41,617 --> 00:41:44,119
He left around 12:30,
1011
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,668
stopped in Pontiac, a
limo service that was run
1012
00:41:46,668 --> 00:41:49,674
by a friend of his by the
name of Louie Linteau.
1013
00:41:49,674 --> 00:41:50,872
People called him "The Pope."
1014
00:41:50,872 --> 00:41:51,584
He showed up there.
1015
00:41:51,584 --> 00:41:55,338
Linteau was not there, so
Hoffa left him a message
1016
00:41:55,338 --> 00:41:57,173
and took off to the meeting himself
1017
00:41:57,173 --> 00:42:02,173
and arrived at the Machus
Red Fox 1:45, 2:00.
1018
00:42:02,511 --> 00:42:05,195
He waited in the restaurant
for around a half hour
1019
00:42:05,195 --> 00:42:07,725
and realized that he had been stood up.
1020
00:42:07,725 --> 00:42:10,899
Hoffa was frazzled by this.
1021
00:42:10,899 --> 00:42:11,896
He was upset.
1022
00:42:11,896 --> 00:42:16,567
He went across the parking
lot to a hardware store
1023
00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:17,902
and made two phone calls.
1024
00:42:17,902 --> 00:42:21,407
The first was to Louie Linteau
at that limousine service
1025
00:42:21,407 --> 00:42:23,992
to tell him that he had been stood up
1026
00:42:23,992 --> 00:42:24,825
and that he was leaving,
1027
00:42:24,825 --> 00:42:25,932
that he was upset about it,
1028
00:42:25,932 --> 00:42:27,956
and then the second was to his wife.
1029
00:42:28,664 --> 00:42:30,542
At this point, Hoffa is seen
1030
00:42:30,542 --> 00:42:33,018
walking to his car in the parking lot.
1031
00:42:33,018 --> 00:42:34,766
It's around 2:45,
1032
00:42:34,766 --> 00:42:39,383
and he is met by a Mercury Marquis,
1033
00:42:39,383 --> 00:42:40,717
according to witnesses,
1034
00:42:40,717 --> 00:42:43,177
was occupied by three men,
1035
00:42:43,653 --> 00:42:46,222
two men in the front
seat and one in the back.
1036
00:42:46,222 --> 00:42:48,580
Hoffa is seen getting into this car,
1037
00:42:48,580 --> 00:42:52,270
and the car is seen driving
away onto Telegraph Road,
1038
00:42:52,270 --> 00:42:53,939
never to be seen again.
1039
00:42:54,939 --> 00:42:57,956
And with this disappearance really started
1040
00:42:57,956 --> 00:43:01,618
arguably the most fascinating mystery
1041
00:43:01,618 --> 00:43:03,589
in the criminal annals of America.
1042
00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:07,201
Keith: The most prominent
labor leader in America
1043
00:43:07,201 --> 00:43:08,327
just disappears,
1044
00:43:08,327 --> 00:43:10,246
and nobody saw anything.
1045
00:43:10,246 --> 00:43:12,999
Even though his wife was
concerned and was calling people,
1046
00:43:12,999 --> 00:43:15,710
nobody was overly concerned
about an adult male
1047
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:18,705
not coming home at 5, 6, 7, 8:00 at night.
1048
00:43:18,705 --> 00:43:20,971
I mean that's been known to happen.
1049
00:43:20,971 --> 00:43:23,551
Voiceover: The Hoffas are
reportedly under heavy guard here.
1050
00:43:23,551 --> 00:43:25,522
But late this afternoon,
the family broke its silence
1051
00:43:25,522 --> 00:43:26,953
and asked for public assistance
1052
00:43:26,953 --> 00:43:28,765
in the search for Jimmy Hoffa.
1053
00:43:28,765 --> 00:43:31,817
James: I have asked anybody
who might have information
1054
00:43:31,817 --> 00:43:33,245
concerning my father's whereabouts
1055
00:43:33,245 --> 00:43:34,854
to please come forward.
1056
00:43:34,854 --> 00:43:37,483
Keith: Agents in the organized crime units
1057
00:43:37,483 --> 00:43:39,034
in every major city
1058
00:43:39,049 --> 00:43:41,360
but particularly New York, New Jersey,
1059
00:43:41,729 --> 00:43:44,363
Detroit, Chicago, Boston
1060
00:43:44,363 --> 00:43:46,940
were all taking every effort they could
1061
00:43:46,940 --> 00:43:51,037
to establish any connection
or any interaction
1062
00:43:51,037 --> 00:43:52,498
between the cities.
1063
00:43:52,498 --> 00:43:54,578
These were almost all
face-to-face meetings
1064
00:43:54,578 --> 00:43:55,875
in private settings.
1065
00:43:55,875 --> 00:43:57,335
David: I remember the time period.
1066
00:43:57,335 --> 00:43:59,212
People were running around with shovels
1067
00:43:59,212 --> 00:44:02,037
digging holes in fields
all around Metro Detroit.
1068
00:44:02,037 --> 00:44:03,223
Greg: The whole experience
1069
00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:05,260
when I first got to Detroit is
1070
00:44:05,660 --> 00:44:07,721
this is just like the movies.
1071
00:44:07,721 --> 00:44:09,825
I had always wanted to be an FBI agent,
1072
00:44:09,825 --> 00:44:12,237
and now it would seem like
1073
00:44:12,237 --> 00:44:15,104
you were going from one
major case to another.
1074
00:44:15,104 --> 00:44:20,104
(ambient traffic noise)
1075
00:44:21,359 --> 00:44:24,946
David: All of these whack job
nutty people would call me.
1076
00:44:24,946 --> 00:44:27,615
I finally got to the point
with people when they called me
1077
00:44:27,615 --> 00:44:29,159
who told me where he was.
1078
00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:31,123
I just said, "Go get a shovel.
1079
00:44:31,123 --> 00:44:32,245
"Go dig a hole.
1080
00:44:32,245 --> 00:44:35,631
"If you find anything, call
me before you call the FBI."
1081
00:44:35,998 --> 00:44:37,793
Greg: I think the feeling was
1082
00:44:37,793 --> 00:44:42,793
that we're going to throw
all our resources at this,
1083
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:45,841
and our history is such
that generally speaking,
1084
00:44:46,502 --> 00:44:48,654
we get to the bottom of it.
1085
00:44:48,654 --> 00:44:50,096
Reporter: According to a spokesman
1086
00:44:50,096 --> 00:44:52,852
for the Organized Crime Strike Force,
1087
00:44:52,852 --> 00:44:54,600
there will be a major announcement
1088
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,269
concerning the Hoffa case
by the end of this week.
1089
00:44:57,269 --> 00:44:58,980
(helicopter sounds overhead)
1090
00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:00,898
Keith: I mean I believe these guys
1091
00:45:00,898 --> 00:45:03,943
were smarter than we sometimes
give them credit for,
1092
00:45:03,943 --> 00:45:05,936
and I think that when
they picked the people
1093
00:45:05,936 --> 00:45:07,989
that were going to get rid of Jimmy Hoffa,
1094
00:45:07,989 --> 00:45:10,871
they picked people who
they were 100 percent sure
1095
00:45:10,871 --> 00:45:12,827
would never reveal what they had done.
1096
00:45:12,827 --> 00:45:14,745
They knew how they were
going to get rid of the body
1097
00:45:14,745 --> 00:45:15,790
before they whacked him.
1098
00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:18,333
I mean there is no doubt
in my mind about that.
1099
00:45:18,333 --> 00:45:21,120
So they weren't driving around
looking for a place to go.
1100
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,398
They weren't going to say,
1101
00:45:22,398 --> 00:45:24,088
"Let's put him in this temporary space
1102
00:45:24,088 --> 00:45:25,549
"and then we're going to move him."
1103
00:45:25,549 --> 00:45:29,177
They clearly had plenty of
time to do anything they wanted
1104
00:45:29,177 --> 00:45:31,762
with the remains of Jimmy Hoffa
1105
00:45:31,762 --> 00:45:34,266
between the time they
left the Machus Red Fox
1106
00:45:34,266 --> 00:45:36,482
and the time anybody
fully started looking,
1107
00:45:36,482 --> 00:45:40,187
which was 10, 11, 12:00 the following day.
1108
00:45:40,187 --> 00:45:43,067
I believe this thing was
planned out with precision.
1109
00:45:43,067 --> 00:45:44,567
They knew who was going to do it.
1110
00:45:44,567 --> 00:45:46,236
They knew how they were going to kill him,
1111
00:45:46,236 --> 00:45:47,982
and they knew where they were
going to dispose of the body.
1112
00:45:47,982 --> 00:45:49,197
(camera flash)
1113
00:45:49,781 --> 00:45:53,869
Richard: The reputation
of Anthony Giacalone
1114
00:45:53,869 --> 00:45:56,340
was that he was a brilliant man
1115
00:45:56,340 --> 00:45:58,668
who could have run one of the Big Three,
1116
00:45:58,668 --> 00:46:00,041
that he was that smart.
1117
00:46:00,041 --> 00:46:02,418
Keith: Feared by the average person
1118
00:46:02,418 --> 00:46:03,858
and well known to the media,
1119
00:46:03,858 --> 00:46:06,881
he had a very imposing personal presence.
1120
00:46:06,881 --> 00:46:09,420
That point, he was notorious for dressing
1121
00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:11,658
in a very flashy style.
1122
00:46:11,658 --> 00:46:14,390
Scott: He was a man of very few words
1123
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:17,737
but was someone, with
just a nod of his head,
1124
00:46:17,737 --> 00:46:19,792
could make things happen,
1125
00:46:19,792 --> 00:46:21,857
such as people disappearing.
1126
00:46:21,857 --> 00:46:23,064
Voiceover: The Giacalones,
1127
00:46:23,064 --> 00:46:25,527
Joseph Giacalone and Vito
Giacalone were in yesterday,
1128
00:46:25,527 --> 00:46:27,918
but speculation as to
when you might be calling
1129
00:46:27,918 --> 00:46:29,779
Anthony Giacalone.
1130
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:31,950
Investigator: You're going to
have to continue to speculate.
1131
00:46:31,950 --> 00:46:34,346
I wish I could help you,
but you know that I can't.
1132
00:46:41,269 --> 00:46:43,459
Reporter: Did your client [pled]
the Fifth or not, Mr. Early?
1133
00:46:43,459 --> 00:46:44,377
Atty. Early: I can only assume he did.
1134
00:46:44,377 --> 00:46:46,382
I advised him to do that.
1135
00:46:46,405 --> 00:46:49,033
He was only in there
a short minute or two,
1136
00:46:49,571 --> 00:46:50,810
and he came out.
1137
00:46:51,025 --> 00:46:52,425
I didn't ask him the question.
1138
00:46:52,686 --> 00:46:54,278
I assumed he did.
1139
00:46:54,278 --> 00:46:55,894
Reporter: You have no idea
what kind of questions
1140
00:46:55,894 --> 00:46:57,176
[unintelligible] in there?
1141
00:46:57,176 --> 00:46:59,525
Atty. Early: I doubt if it
got past his name and address.
1142
00:46:59,643 --> 00:47:01,393
Keith: Tony Giacalone that day shows up
1143
00:47:01,393 --> 00:47:03,771
at the Southfield Athletic Club,
(camera flash)
1144
00:47:03,771 --> 00:47:06,683
spends the entire day at the
Southfield Athletic Club.
1145
00:47:06,683 --> 00:47:10,069
He was known by many
people to be a very sort of
1146
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:12,408
surly taciturn kind of guy,
1147
00:47:12,408 --> 00:47:14,550
but he must have asked 50 people
1148
00:47:14,550 --> 00:47:16,127
at the Southfield Athletic Club,
1149
00:47:16,127 --> 00:47:17,033
"What time is it now?
1150
00:47:17,033 --> 00:47:17,752
"You got the time?
1151
00:47:17,755 --> 00:47:18,745
"You got the time?"
1152
00:47:18,745 --> 00:47:20,582
Scott: Never talked to anybody.
1153
00:47:20,582 --> 00:47:21,747
They didn't need to talk,
1154
00:47:21,747 --> 00:47:24,257
especially didn't talk
to regular civilians
1155
00:47:24,257 --> 00:47:25,597
on a regular basis.
1156
00:47:25,597 --> 00:47:27,510
He was going around
shaking everyone's hand,
1157
00:47:27,510 --> 00:47:29,588
asking people what time it was,
1158
00:47:29,588 --> 00:47:30,882
how their day was going
1159
00:47:30,882 --> 00:47:32,552
to establish an alibi for himself.
1160
00:47:32,552 --> 00:47:34,399
According to FBI surveillance records,
1161
00:47:34,399 --> 00:47:35,908
Jack Tocco, the acting boss
1162
00:47:35,908 --> 00:47:37,388
of the Detroit family at that time,
1163
00:47:37,388 --> 00:47:42,388
came from Macomb County to Oakland County
1164
00:47:43,396 --> 00:47:44,937
to meet with Giacalone.
1165
00:47:44,937 --> 00:47:47,553
Giacalone and Tocco were not very close.
1166
00:47:47,553 --> 00:47:50,193
They did not meet face to face very often.
1167
00:47:50,193 --> 00:47:52,863
The fact that Tocco was
coming to Oakland County,
1168
00:47:52,863 --> 00:47:56,033
coming to South Athletic
Club that afternoon
1169
00:47:56,033 --> 00:47:59,161
really told the FBI and investigators
1170
00:47:59,161 --> 00:48:00,870
that something very
important had just happened.
1171
00:48:00,870 --> 00:48:02,308
(sinister music)
1172
00:48:02,954 --> 00:48:07,954
Chuckie O'Brien was a
surrogate son, if you will,
1173
00:48:08,257 --> 00:48:09,753
to Jimmy Hoffa.
1174
00:48:09,753 --> 00:48:13,299
He was also very close to Tony Giacalone.
1175
00:48:13,299 --> 00:48:17,981
His mother, Sylvia Pagano,
was a bit of a gun moll,
1176
00:48:17,981 --> 00:48:21,432
one of those women that
got passed around the mob.
1177
00:48:21,432 --> 00:48:23,776
She had affairs with several members
1178
00:48:23,776 --> 00:48:25,228
of organized crime in Detroit,
1179
00:48:25,228 --> 00:48:27,735
two of them being Jimmy
Hoffa and Tony Giacalone.
1180
00:48:27,735 --> 00:48:29,492
He'd had a falling out with Jimmy Hoffa
1181
00:48:29,492 --> 00:48:31,901
and had really aligned
with Tony Giacalone.
1182
00:48:31,901 --> 00:48:33,821
Attorney: After my
client's full cooperation
1183
00:48:33,821 --> 00:48:35,613
with the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
1184
00:48:35,613 --> 00:48:36,865
the Michigan State Police,
1185
00:48:36,865 --> 00:48:38,666
and the Bloomfield Township Police
1186
00:48:38,666 --> 00:48:41,327
for a total of nearly eight
hours of intensive interviewing
1187
00:48:41,327 --> 00:48:43,330
on an entirely voluntary basis,
1188
00:48:43,330 --> 00:48:45,749
I am surprised and somewhat
chagrined, as a matter of fact,
1189
00:48:45,749 --> 00:48:47,589
that the government now feels compelled
1190
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:49,711
to make further inquiry of Mr. O'Brien.
1191
00:48:49,711 --> 00:48:52,838
Reporter: Do you expect
to see your father again?
1192
00:48:52,838 --> 00:48:54,724
Chuckie: I'm praying.
1193
00:49:00,077 --> 00:49:03,391
Scott: O'Brien was said
to have been in possession
1194
00:49:03,391 --> 00:49:06,522
of Giacalone's son,
Joey's car that afternoon,
1195
00:49:06,522 --> 00:49:09,397
the car that the FBI and
investigators believe
1196
00:49:09,397 --> 00:49:11,145
Hoffa was kidnapped in.
1197
00:49:11,145 --> 00:49:15,069
Keith: Why was he using
a Giacalone kid's car
1198
00:49:15,069 --> 00:49:16,803
on that particular day?
1199
00:49:16,803 --> 00:49:19,782
That's always been an issue
that fascinated the Bureau
1200
00:49:19,782 --> 00:49:22,030
and caused them to look
into Chuckie O'Brien.
1201
00:49:22,030 --> 00:49:24,826
Scott: Now, the issue that I have
1202
00:49:24,826 --> 00:49:28,293
with that specific allegation
1203
00:49:28,293 --> 00:49:31,182
is the fact that Hoffa
and O'Brien at that time
1204
00:49:31,182 --> 00:49:36,090
had really, really been
on very, very bad terms
1205
00:49:36,351 --> 00:49:39,007
and that Jimmy Hoffa
would not feel comfortable
1206
00:49:39,007 --> 00:49:41,239
getting in a car with Chuckie O'Brien.
1207
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,682
Despite that, there are a
lot of people that believe
1208
00:49:43,682 --> 00:49:46,499
O'Brien was the one that took Hoffa
1209
00:49:46,499 --> 00:49:49,230
from the Red Fox to the
place that he was murdered.
1210
00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:51,439
Keith: I don't think they
would have felt comfortable
1211
00:49:51,439 --> 00:49:53,066
with Chuckie O'Brien out there as a guy
1212
00:49:53,066 --> 00:49:55,111
who could point a finger at them.
1213
00:49:55,111 --> 00:49:57,944
Richard: What worse person
could you put in charge
1214
00:49:57,944 --> 00:50:01,643
of your life and with
getting critical information
1215
00:50:01,643 --> 00:50:02,950
than Chuckie O'Brien?
1216
00:50:02,950 --> 00:50:05,168
Keith: Why do they have
to borrow anybody's car?
1217
00:50:05,168 --> 00:50:07,664
Have some guy steal a
car and give it to you,
1218
00:50:07,664 --> 00:50:10,376
two, three layers of removal,
1219
00:50:10,376 --> 00:50:11,626
and then you pick it up.
1220
00:50:11,626 --> 00:50:13,586
These guys wouldn't have
trouble getting a car.
1221
00:50:13,586 --> 00:50:15,087
David: The Hoffa [unintelligible] says
1222
00:50:15,087 --> 00:50:18,985
that he was basically
incompetent and a liar.
1223
00:50:18,985 --> 00:50:20,965
Why didn't they kill O'Brien afterward?
1224
00:50:20,965 --> 00:50:22,010
Why would they leave him alive?
1225
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:24,647
Why would they leave
any of these guys alive?
1226
00:50:25,017 --> 00:50:29,131
Scott: I don't believe that
the organized crime members
1227
00:50:29,131 --> 00:50:32,066
that set this hit up
would use Chuckie O'Brien
1228
00:50:32,066 --> 00:50:34,483
in any way, shape, or form
1229
00:50:34,483 --> 00:50:37,820
other than very, very menial tasks.
1230
00:50:37,820 --> 00:50:40,279
And frankly, being the one to drive Hoffa
1231
00:50:40,279 --> 00:50:43,119
to his murder destination
is not a menial task.
1232
00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:44,315
(suspense music)
1233
00:50:44,315 --> 00:50:47,021
George: Tony Pro was a capital
in the Genovese crime family,
1234
00:50:47,021 --> 00:50:49,580
and the Genovese crime
family, in my estimation,
1235
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:51,101
was the most powerful,
1236
00:50:51,101 --> 00:50:52,602
the most well-run, and the most organized
1237
00:50:52,602 --> 00:50:54,293
of the five New York families,
1238
00:50:54,293 --> 00:50:58,950
Tony Pro controlled Teamsters
Local 560 out of North Jersey.
1239
00:50:58,950 --> 00:51:00,971
Voiceover: Today, Provenzano acknowledged
1240
00:51:00,971 --> 00:51:02,427
Hoffa was an old friend,
1241
00:51:02,427 --> 00:51:04,553
but he said he hadn't seen him in years
1242
00:51:04,553 --> 00:51:07,224
and could shed no light
on Hoffa's disappearance.
1243
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:09,619
Reporter: Were you supposed
to meet with Hoffa today -
1244
00:51:09,619 --> 00:51:10,454
Tony: No, no.
1245
00:51:10,454 --> 00:51:11,737
I know nothing.
1246
00:51:11,737 --> 00:51:13,733
None whatsoever, no.
1247
00:51:15,693 --> 00:51:17,729
Woody: Did you manage to
finish testimony before-
1248
00:51:17,729 --> 00:51:18,262
Bill: Yes, we did.
1249
00:51:18,262 --> 00:51:19,486
Yes, we did, Woody.
1250
00:51:19,486 --> 00:51:20,611
Woody: Why so brief, sir?
1251
00:51:20,611 --> 00:51:21,670
Bill: It wasn't that brief.
1252
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:22,307
Woody: No?
1253
00:51:22,307 --> 00:51:24,031
Bill: They asked questions
and we gave answers.
1254
00:51:24,031 --> 00:51:26,375
Reporter: [unintelligible]
1255
00:51:27,204 --> 00:51:29,383
Bill: I don't believe that we would serve
1256
00:51:29,383 --> 00:51:33,600
any worthy purpose to discuss
out here on the street
1257
00:51:34,646 --> 00:51:37,169
what transpired in the grand jury room.
1258
00:51:37,169 --> 00:51:39,923
They have a job to do, and
they are doing their very best,
1259
00:51:39,923 --> 00:51:41,390
and we wish them luck.
1260
00:51:41,677 --> 00:51:44,017
Dan: We knew there was an eye witness
1261
00:51:44,017 --> 00:51:47,971
who had kind of, but not quite,
1262
00:51:48,463 --> 00:51:50,852
identified Sal Briguglio.
1263
00:51:50,852 --> 00:51:53,185
David: His problem was that he
had read newspaper accounts,
1264
00:51:53,185 --> 00:51:56,772
and I think he was trying to
sort of help the FBI along
1265
00:51:56,772 --> 00:52:00,575
rather than simply being
an untainted witness.
1266
00:52:00,609 --> 00:52:02,366
But the problem was they didn't know
1267
00:52:02,366 --> 00:52:05,145
if his information was
coming from news reports
1268
00:52:05,145 --> 00:52:09,793
or whether it was untainted
information he had witnessed.
1269
00:52:09,887 --> 00:52:13,237
Scott: Briguglio was a
old-school grizzle gangster
1270
00:52:13,237 --> 00:52:14,844
that really looked the part
1271
00:52:14,844 --> 00:52:18,710
and someone that really didn't
flash a smile that much.
1272
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:21,632
It's a wide belief that
Briguglio and Andretta
1273
00:52:21,632 --> 00:52:25,159
were sent by Provenzano to Detroit
1274
00:52:25,159 --> 00:52:27,845
to be his representatives
on the Hoffa hit.
1275
00:52:27,845 --> 00:52:29,805
(suspense music)
1276
00:52:29,805 --> 00:52:32,519
Dan: We knew that a
guy named Ralph Picardo
1277
00:52:32,519 --> 00:52:35,673
was telling the FBI
1278
00:52:36,658 --> 00:52:38,627
what they knew about Jimmy Hoffa's murder.
1279
00:52:38,627 --> 00:52:40,315
According to Ralph Picardo,
1280
00:52:40,315 --> 00:52:43,212
Hoffa is stuffed into a 55-gallon drum
1281
00:52:43,212 --> 00:52:45,298
and shipped via Gateway
Transportation truck
1282
00:52:45,298 --> 00:52:46,930
to an unknown destination.
1283
00:52:46,930 --> 00:52:50,369
Al: And this is what the
FBI's initial understanding
1284
00:52:50,369 --> 00:52:51,363
of the case was.
1285
00:52:51,363 --> 00:52:52,956
Dan: So you have Russell Bufalino,
1286
00:52:52,956 --> 00:52:56,582
who is the acting head of
the Genovese crime family.
1287
00:52:56,582 --> 00:52:59,483
You have Tony Provenzano, who is a capo
1288
00:52:59,483 --> 00:53:01,253
in the Genovese crime family.
1289
00:53:01,253 --> 00:53:04,469
Then you have his guys, Sal
Briguglio, Gabe Briguglio,
1290
00:53:04,469 --> 00:53:06,390
Tommy Andretta, Stevie Andretta
1291
00:53:07,005 --> 00:53:09,011
being the guys who were
actually the mechanics
1292
00:53:09,011 --> 00:53:10,979
in this operation.
1293
00:53:11,059 --> 00:53:14,078
Richard: Two people can keep
a secret if one is dead.
1294
00:53:14,078 --> 00:53:16,123
There isn't a want or
a need for information
1295
00:53:16,123 --> 00:53:18,393
and they don't know about
it or want to know about it
1296
00:53:18,393 --> 00:53:19,647
for that very purpose.
1297
00:53:19,647 --> 00:53:21,502
David: Does it make any
sense that you would carry
1298
00:53:21,502 --> 00:53:24,572
Jimmy Hoffa around in a 55-gallon barrel
1299
00:53:24,572 --> 00:53:27,072
when you could just simply
take him to Central Sanitation
1300
00:53:27,072 --> 00:53:28,657
and dispose of the body?
1301
00:53:28,657 --> 00:53:29,865
I think that that's where the feds
1302
00:53:29,865 --> 00:53:31,575
eventually landed on that.
1303
00:53:31,575 --> 00:53:34,059
George: It just bottom
line makes no sense at all.
1304
00:53:34,059 --> 00:53:35,011
You don't kill somebody
1305
00:53:35,011 --> 00:53:36,832
and then cart their body across country.
1306
00:53:36,832 --> 00:53:38,966
Nobody in the underworld is
going to do that kind of stuff.
1307
00:53:38,966 --> 00:53:41,461
(slow beat music)
(sinister music)
1308
00:53:41,461 --> 00:53:42,711
Dan: The next day, I pick up the phone.
1309
00:53:42,711 --> 00:53:45,674
I call Sal Briguglio up
1310
00:53:45,674 --> 00:53:47,669
and asked for him at Local 560.
1311
00:53:47,669 --> 00:53:49,551
He gets on the phone and he says,
1312
00:53:50,350 --> 00:53:51,220
"Yeah, who's this?"
1313
00:53:51,220 --> 00:53:53,185
and I said, "My name is Dan Moldea,"
1314
00:53:53,185 --> 00:53:54,780
and he says, "What do you need?"
1315
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:56,810
and I said, "I'm a journalist
1316
00:53:56,810 --> 00:53:58,683
"and I'd like to come and talk to you."
1317
00:53:58,683 --> 00:54:00,020
He says, "What do you want to talk about?"
1318
00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:01,606
I said, "The Hoffa disappearance."
1319
00:54:01,606 --> 00:54:02,314
He goes, "What makes you think
1320
00:54:02,314 --> 00:54:03,607
"I have anything to say about that?"
1321
00:54:03,607 --> 00:54:05,944
I said, "Because, Mr. Briguglio,
1322
00:54:05,944 --> 00:54:08,574
"you've neither been
indicted nor arrested,
1323
00:54:08,574 --> 00:54:10,157
"and the entire world is saying
1324
00:54:10,157 --> 00:54:12,332
"that you killed Jimmy Hoffa,
1325
00:54:12,463 --> 00:54:15,151
"and the government is
putting this information out,
1326
00:54:15,151 --> 00:54:16,990
"and I think the government
might be violating
1327
00:54:16,990 --> 00:54:18,923
"your civil rights."
1328
00:54:19,238 --> 00:54:20,107
Bill: We are innocent.
1329
00:54:20,107 --> 00:54:21,087
We're presumed to be innocent.
1330
00:54:21,087 --> 00:54:21,747
We remain-
1331
00:54:21,747 --> 00:54:23,001
Dan: But you must theorize
on why the government
1332
00:54:23,001 --> 00:54:23,832
is doing this to you,
1333
00:54:23,832 --> 00:54:24,552
and this goes back to how-
1334
00:54:24,552 --> 00:54:26,850
Bill: No, you know they're
a bunch of motherfuckers.
1335
00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,219
Dan: The possibility of Hoffa's body
1336
00:54:30,219 --> 00:54:33,349
being stuffed in a 55-gallon drum pickled,
1337
00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:35,097
maybe put in a liquid preservative.
1338
00:54:35,097 --> 00:54:35,806
Bill: Well, man, what the hell?
1339
00:54:35,806 --> 00:54:38,353
Would you ever pickle
anybody and keep preserving?
1340
00:54:38,353 --> 00:54:41,447
I'd like to put yourself in
the position of the bad guy.
1341
00:54:41,447 --> 00:54:43,329
Would you try to perserve him?
1342
00:54:43,329 --> 00:54:45,418
Two [powers] out of Chicago
1343
00:54:45,956 --> 00:54:50,780
met their Maker at the expense
1344
00:54:50,780 --> 00:54:53,243
or at the hands of the CIA
1345
00:54:53,243 --> 00:54:53,799
because -
1346
00:54:53,799 --> 00:54:55,210
Dan: Roselli and Giancana?
1347
00:54:55,210 --> 00:54:56,577
Bill: Yeah, Roselli and Giancana.
1348
00:54:56,577 --> 00:55:01,498
Now, you'd be better off asking the CIA
1349
00:55:01,498 --> 00:55:03,126
to investigate the FBI
1350
00:55:03,126 --> 00:55:06,296
and the FBI to investigate with CIA,
1351
00:55:06,296 --> 00:55:08,913
and then there you'd have the answer.
1352
00:55:08,913 --> 00:55:10,632
(suspense music)
1353
00:55:10,985 --> 00:55:12,325
Dan: This guy was a giant.
1354
00:55:12,325 --> 00:55:13,723
He was a big guy,
1355
00:55:14,015 --> 00:55:15,938
had a glass eye too.
1356
00:55:16,453 --> 00:55:18,906
One eye would be following
you wherever you went,
1357
00:55:18,906 --> 00:55:20,958
and the other eye was
just staring straight at
1358
00:55:20,958 --> 00:55:21,970
and into the distance.
1359
00:55:21,970 --> 00:55:23,062
He was a scary guy.
1360
00:55:23,062 --> 00:55:26,940
Keith: McMaster was a
larger than life character
1361
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:29,151
both physically and story-wise.
1362
00:55:29,151 --> 00:55:31,820
He was a business agent for the Teamsters.
1363
00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:34,532
He was involved in union activities,
1364
00:55:34,532 --> 00:55:37,159
organizing, getting union votes.
1365
00:55:37,159 --> 00:55:40,831
He probably weighed 300
pounds and was 6'6 or 6'7,
1366
00:55:40,831 --> 00:55:42,047
huge hands,
1367
00:55:42,047 --> 00:55:44,041
personally an intimidating guy,
1368
00:55:44,041 --> 00:55:46,755
and I think if you wanted
to send the message
1369
00:55:46,755 --> 00:55:48,951
to people to physically intimidate them,
1370
00:55:48,951 --> 00:55:50,715
Rolland McMaster was the guy who,
1371
00:55:50,715 --> 00:55:52,090
if he showed up at your door,
1372
00:55:52,090 --> 00:55:54,302
probably generated that kind of reaction.
1373
00:55:54,302 --> 00:55:55,761
Dan: I mean McMaster was working
1374
00:55:55,761 --> 00:55:59,223
with Santo Trafficante
down in Miami for sure.
1375
00:55:59,514 --> 00:56:01,767
McMaster was part of the Cuban process.
1376
00:56:01,767 --> 00:56:04,027
McMaster knew a lot of stuff.
1377
00:56:04,061 --> 00:56:06,398
A lot of people viewed
McMaster as a knuckle dragger.
1378
00:56:06,398 --> 00:56:09,741
This guy was a sharp guy.
1379
00:56:10,287 --> 00:56:12,946
Scott: I tend to agree with
him that Rolland McMaster
1380
00:56:13,161 --> 00:56:16,615
could have played a role
in the assassination.
1381
00:56:16,615 --> 00:56:20,998
He was one of the most
trusted non-Italian,
1382
00:56:21,228 --> 00:56:23,339
non-mob union members
1383
00:56:23,616 --> 00:56:27,711
and someone that had a lot of knowledge
1384
00:56:27,711 --> 00:56:31,089
of past union mob relationship,
1385
00:56:31,089 --> 00:56:32,424
union mob wrongdoing.
1386
00:56:32,424 --> 00:56:36,968
Dan: Because I was convinced
that Rolland McMaster
1387
00:56:36,968 --> 00:56:40,982
and his zombie stooges who worked for him
1388
00:56:40,982 --> 00:56:44,184
were somehow involved
in Jimmy Hoffa's murder
1389
00:56:44,184 --> 00:56:46,773
and probably responsible for the disposal
1390
00:56:46,773 --> 00:56:48,624
of Jimmy Hoffa's body.
1391
00:56:48,624 --> 00:56:49,804
I believe that.
1392
00:56:49,804 --> 00:56:54,695
I got a call on that on August 4th, 1975.
1393
00:56:54,695 --> 00:56:57,866
That's five days after Jimmy Hoffa's,
1394
00:56:57,866 --> 00:57:00,794
and I have not moved from
that position since then.
1395
00:57:00,832 --> 00:57:02,920
Everything I have seen and heard
1396
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,082
reinforces everything I believe.
1397
00:57:05,082 --> 00:57:07,791
David: There was a lot of
violence going on in the Teamsters
1398
00:57:07,791 --> 00:57:10,961
in the months leading up
to Hoffa's disappearance.
1399
00:57:11,468 --> 00:57:14,057
Dan Moldea believes that
Rolland was involved,
1400
00:57:14,057 --> 00:57:18,103
deeply involved and probably
knew what happened to Hoffa.
1401
00:57:18,103 --> 00:57:20,304
Dan: Hoffa people being under siege,
1402
00:57:20,304 --> 00:57:21,973
where their houses were being bombed,
1403
00:57:21,973 --> 00:57:23,607
their boats were being bombed.
1404
00:57:23,607 --> 00:57:25,802
You had people being shot.
1405
00:57:25,802 --> 00:57:27,602
Keith: People today don't realize
1406
00:57:27,602 --> 00:57:32,602
bombings of businesses
and union officials' cars
1407
00:57:33,773 --> 00:57:35,194
and these kinds of things
1408
00:57:35,194 --> 00:57:37,229
were much more common occurrence.
1409
00:57:37,229 --> 00:57:40,451
Dan: The real action is right in Detroit.
1410
00:57:40,451 --> 00:57:42,618
This is where it's all happening.
1411
00:57:42,618 --> 00:57:46,302
This Local 299 violence is a big story,
1412
00:57:46,302 --> 00:57:48,292
and everybody is ignoring it.
1413
00:57:48,292 --> 00:57:50,960
David: He was going after
this story full board.
1414
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:55,232
He was willing to put himself
in harm's way to get the book.
1415
00:57:55,232 --> 00:57:58,508
Dan: There was one guy who
was so upset about McMaster,
1416
00:57:58,508 --> 00:58:00,052
that I was asking questions about Mc ...
1417
00:58:00,052 --> 00:58:01,095
and this is a Hoffa guy.
1418
00:58:01,095 --> 00:58:02,731
This is a guy I felt comfortable with.
1419
00:58:02,731 --> 00:58:06,275
The guy pulls a gun out
and sticks it in my mouth.
1420
00:58:06,601 --> 00:58:09,273
Yeah, sticks the fucking gun in my mouth.
1421
00:58:09,273 --> 00:58:11,855
Scott: Less than two months
before Hoffa disappeared,
1422
00:58:11,855 --> 00:58:14,184
Little Fitz, Richard Fitzsimmons,
1423
00:58:14,184 --> 00:58:15,624
the son of Frank Fitzsimmons,
1424
00:58:15,624 --> 00:58:17,278
the current Teamsters president,
1425
00:58:17,278 --> 00:58:20,163
had his car blown out in
the parking lot of Nemo's,
1426
00:58:20,163 --> 00:58:23,992
a popular tavern right by the 250 Local.
1427
00:58:23,992 --> 00:58:25,911
There was a lot of people that believed
1428
00:58:25,911 --> 00:58:27,996
that Hoffa set that bomb
1429
00:58:27,996 --> 00:58:30,763
and tried to kill Fitz and Little Fitz.
1430
00:58:30,763 --> 00:58:32,261
There are other people that believe
1431
00:58:32,261 --> 00:58:35,254
that there were actual Teamster goons
1432
00:58:35,254 --> 00:58:37,802
that set that bomb and that car
1433
00:58:37,802 --> 00:58:39,687
to make it look like
Hoffa was trying to kill
1434
00:58:39,687 --> 00:58:42,182
the Fitzsimmons and in return
would get Hoffa killed.
1435
00:58:42,182 --> 00:58:43,983
Voiceover: Teamster
president Frank Fitzsimmons
1436
00:58:43,983 --> 00:58:46,279
is now a principal figure
in the investigation
1437
00:58:46,279 --> 00:58:48,651
of the disappearance of James Hoffa.
1438
00:58:48,958 --> 00:58:50,982
But federal agents on the Hoffa case
1439
00:58:50,982 --> 00:58:54,706
are now taking a very close
look at Fitzsimmon's activities
1440
00:58:54,706 --> 00:58:57,150
just before and just
after Hoffa disappeared.
1441
00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,736
(suspense music)
1442
00:58:59,736 --> 00:59:01,427
Dan: It's impossible to believe
1443
00:59:01,427 --> 00:59:05,075
that the guys who were behind
all of this Local 299 violence
1444
00:59:05,075 --> 00:59:08,203
which goes right up until 20
days before Hoffa disappears
1445
00:59:08,203 --> 00:59:11,123
with the bombing of Fitz and his car
1446
00:59:11,661 --> 00:59:14,710
and that these guys aren't
involved in the [denouement]
1447
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:17,432
when Jimmy Hoffa disappears on July 30th?
1448
00:59:17,879 --> 00:59:18,644
Please.
1449
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,424
Scott: On the other hand,
1450
00:59:20,424 --> 00:59:22,009
you look at it and you say to yourself,
1451
00:59:22,009 --> 00:59:25,787
well, the Mafia families
in New York, in Detroit,
1452
00:59:25,787 --> 00:59:30,787
they had a long list of
very, very established
1453
00:59:31,059 --> 00:59:33,783
and well-honed executioners,
1454
00:59:33,783 --> 00:59:35,064
hitmen, if you will,
1455
00:59:35,064 --> 00:59:36,690
and it makes you think
1456
00:59:36,690 --> 00:59:38,781
why would they bring
in a guy like McMaster
1457
00:59:38,781 --> 00:59:42,696
when they have so many
guys that can do the job
1458
00:59:42,696 --> 00:59:44,130
in their own backyard?
1459
00:59:44,130 --> 00:59:45,949
Keith: They wouldn't have
trouble finding a house
1460
00:59:45,949 --> 00:59:49,170
or a location to do
whatever they wanted to do.
1461
00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:50,501
And I don't think they would leave it
1462
00:59:50,501 --> 00:59:52,330
on a piece of property they own
1463
00:59:52,330 --> 00:59:54,963
or in a barn on Rolland
McMaster's property,
1464
00:59:54,963 --> 00:59:57,128
unless they're trying to
frame Rolland McMaster.
1465
00:59:57,128 --> 00:59:58,117
(suspense music)
1466
00:59:58,117 --> 00:59:59,421
Voiceover: We broke the story yesterday
1467
00:59:59,421 --> 01:00:01,945
how Frank Sheeran claims he shot Hoffa
1468
01:00:01,945 --> 01:00:04,565
two times in the back of
the head in his house.
1469
01:00:04,565 --> 01:00:06,906
Sheeran was a Delaware
Teamsters union president,
1470
01:00:06,906 --> 01:00:08,729
a self-confessed mob hitman,
1471
01:00:08,729 --> 01:00:10,348
a close friend of Jimmy Hoffa,
1472
01:00:10,348 --> 01:00:11,676
and the subject of a new book.
1473
01:00:11,676 --> 01:00:13,737
He says the mob ordered Hoffa's death
1474
01:00:13,737 --> 01:00:14,770
to prevent him from running
1475
01:00:14,770 --> 01:00:16,655
for the Teamsters' presidency.
1476
01:00:16,772 --> 01:00:20,946
Scott: Frank Sheeran was a
high-ranking union official
1477
01:00:20,946 --> 01:00:23,302
out of Pennsylvania and Delaware,
1478
01:00:23,302 --> 01:00:26,199
as well as a high-ranking mob associate
1479
01:00:26,199 --> 01:00:28,785
that was very close to Russell Bufalino.
1480
01:00:28,785 --> 01:00:31,745
He was Bufalino's bodyguard and driver.
1481
01:00:31,745 --> 01:00:33,709
He was another man that would often act
1482
01:00:33,709 --> 01:00:36,291
as a go-between or a liaison
1483
01:00:36,291 --> 01:00:37,647
between the mob and Hoffa.
1484
01:00:37,647 --> 01:00:39,798
(sinister music)
1485
01:00:39,798 --> 01:00:43,429
David: They stopped at Port
Clinton in Ohio, near Toledo.
1486
01:00:43,429 --> 01:00:46,736
Sheeran gets out, climbs
on a small private plane,
1487
01:00:46,736 --> 01:00:47,678
and they fly to Detroit
1488
01:00:47,678 --> 01:00:50,308
and they land at the Pontiac Airport.
1489
01:00:50,308 --> 01:00:53,697
Sheeran gets on a car
that's waiting for him,
1490
01:00:53,697 --> 01:00:55,555
drives to this location,
1491
01:00:55,555 --> 01:00:57,667
picks up a couple of guys,
1492
01:00:57,667 --> 01:01:00,109
goes up to the Machus
Red Fox to get Jimmy,
1493
01:01:00,109 --> 01:01:02,987
bring him back, and Sheeran kills him.
1494
01:01:02,987 --> 01:01:06,809
But I had a pilot tell me you
can't just fly a private plane
1495
01:01:06,809 --> 01:01:08,950
to Pontiac Airport Metro Airport.
1496
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:12,538
You got to get around
the air traffic area.
1497
01:01:12,538 --> 01:01:15,670
And he found his story to
be a little improbable.
1498
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:17,306
George: You're going to get
somebody like Frank Sheeran
1499
01:01:17,306 --> 01:01:19,127
who also claims to have been involved
1500
01:01:19,127 --> 01:01:20,818
in the murder of Joey Gallo
1501
01:01:20,818 --> 01:01:22,258
and also claims to have provided the guns
1502
01:01:22,258 --> 01:01:24,381
that were used in the
Kennedy assassination.
1503
01:01:24,381 --> 01:01:26,766
Well, if those things are true,
1504
01:01:26,766 --> 01:01:29,928
this guy sitting under the
radar for a very, very long time
1505
01:01:29,928 --> 01:01:31,096
and it's kind of hard to believe.
1506
01:01:31,096 --> 01:01:33,390
Dan: They heard that
Sheeran was writing a book,
1507
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:36,196
and they wanted to bring
me on as a consultant
1508
01:01:36,626 --> 01:01:38,028
about Sheeran.
1509
01:01:38,106 --> 01:01:39,987
But then that one fell apart
1510
01:01:39,987 --> 01:01:42,944
because they just caught
him in so many lies
1511
01:01:43,437 --> 01:01:46,786
and that apparently, Maria
Shriver had done the interview.
1512
01:01:47,028 --> 01:01:50,754
Once again, they're going to
bring me on as a consultant,
1513
01:01:50,754 --> 01:01:53,663
and once again, Sheeran's lies just cause
1514
01:01:53,663 --> 01:01:55,503
the whole thing to fall apart.
1515
01:01:55,621 --> 01:01:58,811
In 2001, he says Sal
Briguglio was the killer.
1516
01:01:58,811 --> 01:02:01,760
Then 2003, when Dateline NBC calls me,
1517
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,878
there was one different thing.
1518
01:02:03,878 --> 01:02:04,704
I said, "What's that?"
1519
01:02:04,704 --> 01:02:07,851
He says, "Sheeran's now
claiming that he is the killer."
1520
01:02:07,851 --> 01:02:10,552
And I go, like, "He is saying himself
1521
01:02:10,552 --> 01:02:12,221
"that he did the job?"
1522
01:02:12,221 --> 01:02:13,814
And he said, "Yeah."
1523
01:02:13,814 --> 01:02:15,146
He says, "What's more valuable,
1524
01:02:15,146 --> 01:02:17,022
"a book by a guy who was there
1525
01:02:17,022 --> 01:02:19,626
"or a book by a guy who
actually pulled the trigger?"
1526
01:02:19,626 --> 01:02:21,869
David: I don't know what motivates a guy
1527
01:02:21,869 --> 01:02:24,788
to make up the story
that says he killed Hoffa
1528
01:02:24,788 --> 01:02:25,903
before he died.
1529
01:02:26,272 --> 01:02:29,279
Well, these guys don't think
the way the rest of us do.
1530
01:02:29,402 --> 01:02:32,712
I mean Sheeran was mostly
concerned about the money
1531
01:02:32,866 --> 01:02:34,909
because he was going to
die and he was broke,
1532
01:02:34,909 --> 01:02:36,912
and he needed to leave
some money to his family.
1533
01:02:36,912 --> 01:02:39,164
Keith: I never bought
the Frank Sheeran story.
1534
01:02:39,164 --> 01:02:41,917
I mean if you're the Mafia, all right?
1535
01:02:41,917 --> 01:02:43,418
If you're organized crime
1536
01:02:43,418 --> 01:02:46,421
and you're going to kill
a person like Jimmy Hoffa,
1537
01:02:46,421 --> 01:02:47,214
kidnap and kill him,
1538
01:02:47,214 --> 01:02:48,632
why would you bring a guy
1539
01:02:48,632 --> 01:02:50,470
who's not part of your organization,
1540
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:52,844
who's not subject to the
rules and discipline,
1541
01:02:52,844 --> 01:02:54,846
who hasn't agreed to what you believe in?
1542
01:02:54,846 --> 01:02:57,267
Why would you bring in
somebody from the outside?
1543
01:02:57,267 --> 01:03:00,268
They certainly had more
than enough people capable
1544
01:03:00,268 --> 01:03:02,314
and, in the government's opinion,
1545
01:03:02,314 --> 01:03:04,731
more than enough people who
murdered people in the past?
1546
01:03:04,731 --> 01:03:08,276
There is no need to go
outside and find anybody else.
1547
01:03:08,276 --> 01:03:11,262
Scott: I have a hard
time believing his story
1548
01:03:11,262 --> 01:03:12,910
strictly based on the fact
1549
01:03:13,064 --> 01:03:16,083
where he claims the murder took place.
1550
01:03:16,083 --> 01:03:19,545
He claims it took place
off 7 Mile in Detroit
1551
01:03:19,545 --> 01:03:21,539
on a street named Beaverland,
1552
01:03:21,539 --> 01:03:24,715
which would be a good 20, 25-minute drive
1553
01:03:24,715 --> 01:03:26,307
from the Machus Red Fox.
1554
01:03:26,307 --> 01:03:29,143
And it's a house that he
can't source to anybody,
1555
01:03:29,143 --> 01:03:32,226
he can't claim whose house it was
1556
01:03:32,226 --> 01:03:33,796
or why they took him there.
1557
01:03:33,796 --> 01:03:35,866
Dan: There was a DNA analysis done
1558
01:03:35,866 --> 01:03:39,742
on the blood stains found in
the entrance to the house.
1559
01:03:39,742 --> 01:03:42,413
They proved not to be Hoffa,
1560
01:03:42,413 --> 01:03:44,028
which was really
disappointing to a lot of us
1561
01:03:44,028 --> 01:03:46,149
because we really wanted
to see this thing done
1562
01:03:46,149 --> 01:03:47,236
once and for all.
1563
01:03:47,236 --> 01:03:49,402
Scott: I personally have
a difficult time believing
1564
01:03:49,402 --> 01:03:51,802
that the Mafia would set up the Hoffa hit
1565
01:03:51,802 --> 01:03:54,666
in any place that wasn't 100% controlled.
1566
01:03:54,666 --> 01:03:56,575
(sinister music)
1567
01:03:56,575 --> 01:03:58,416
Richard: He thought he
was speaking to somebody
1568
01:03:58,416 --> 01:04:03,416
who was a large-scale Italian
drug importer from Europe
1569
01:04:04,225 --> 01:04:05,457
who came through Canada.
1570
01:04:05,457 --> 01:04:09,384
And Tony Palazzolo
brought the RCMP officer
1571
01:04:09,384 --> 01:04:11,214
to this sausage factory.
1572
01:04:11,214 --> 01:04:14,602
And as the RCMP officer described it,
1573
01:04:14,602 --> 01:04:16,057
it was like a
1574
01:04:16,057 --> 01:04:17,971
organized crime hall of fame.
1575
01:04:17,971 --> 01:04:21,422
When he walked in, he
saw pictures on the wall
1576
01:04:21,422 --> 01:04:25,528
of Lucky Luciano, Al Capone.
1577
01:04:25,528 --> 01:04:26,938
There were crossed shotguns,
1578
01:04:26,938 --> 01:04:28,885
as if they were crossed sabers.
1579
01:04:29,024 --> 01:04:30,844
During the course of that conversation,
1580
01:04:30,844 --> 01:04:34,196
which was used at the trial,
1581
01:04:34,657 --> 01:04:39,163
Tony Palazzolo pointed to the
Auger, which was enormous,
1582
01:04:39,163 --> 01:04:41,958
and he said, "That's
where Jimmy Hoffa is,"
1583
01:04:41,958 --> 01:04:42,746
or was.
1584
01:04:42,746 --> 01:04:44,877
"That's where we put him."
1585
01:04:44,877 --> 01:04:49,877
And that is where I
believe Jimmy Hoffa went.
1586
01:04:50,137 --> 01:04:52,479
I think he was ground up, churned up,
1587
01:04:52,479 --> 01:04:56,926
and put in sausage or otherwise.
1588
01:04:56,926 --> 01:04:59,554
Scott: Tony Palazzolo is definitely known
1589
01:04:59,554 --> 01:05:01,681
as someone that was looked at
1590
01:05:01,681 --> 01:05:04,434
as a possible participant
in the Hoffa hit.
1591
01:05:04,434 --> 01:05:07,496
He is someone that is
currently in the 2000s
1592
01:05:07,496 --> 01:05:09,334
a Detroit mob captain
1593
01:05:09,334 --> 01:05:11,321
but at the time of the disappearance
1594
01:05:11,321 --> 01:05:14,194
was a up-and-coming young buck in the mob
1595
01:05:14,194 --> 01:05:16,474
that had made his name
as a bodyguard and driver
1596
01:05:16,474 --> 01:05:18,663
for Peter "Bozzi" Vitale.
1597
01:05:18,663 --> 01:05:21,076
The Vitales are another group of mobsters
1598
01:05:21,076 --> 01:05:23,247
that had a lot of close
ties with Jimmy Hoffa
1599
01:05:23,247 --> 01:05:24,846
and the Teamsters.
1600
01:05:24,846 --> 01:05:26,374
The fact that Tony Palazzolo
1601
01:05:26,374 --> 01:05:27,685
might have been involved in this
1602
01:05:27,685 --> 01:05:30,343
is frankly very easy to believe.
1603
01:05:31,961 --> 01:05:35,132
Keith: How did they get Jimmy into a car
1604
01:05:35,132 --> 01:05:37,021
when he was at the Red Fox
1605
01:05:37,021 --> 01:05:38,795
supposedly meeting Tony Giacalone?
1606
01:05:38,795 --> 01:05:40,164
If he goes, they seize him.
1607
01:05:40,164 --> 01:05:41,304
Who went to meet him?
1608
01:05:41,304 --> 01:05:42,890
Who was there to pick him up?
1609
01:05:42,890 --> 01:05:44,224
And who was there to explain
1610
01:05:44,224 --> 01:05:46,935
why he couldn't go with Tony Giacalone?
1611
01:05:46,935 --> 01:05:49,604
Billy Giacalone, his
whereabouts on that day
1612
01:05:49,604 --> 01:05:52,566
are certainly not nearly as
well known as his brother's.
1613
01:05:52,566 --> 01:05:54,150
If Billy had said, "Hey, look, Jimmy,
1614
01:05:54,565 --> 01:05:55,635
"Tony can't make it.
1615
01:05:55,635 --> 01:05:56,361
"He is here or there.
1616
01:05:56,361 --> 01:05:57,914
"Let's get in the car."
1617
01:05:58,571 --> 01:06:00,707
Dan: I know Vito Giacalone
is in this thing.
1618
01:06:00,707 --> 01:06:03,368
Vito Giacalone is right in the
middle of this whole thing.
1619
01:06:03,368 --> 01:06:05,579
I just can't figure out
exactly where he is.
1620
01:06:05,579 --> 01:06:07,080
Mike: The State Police have been following
1621
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:10,072
Billy Giacalone around that
week that Hoffa disappeared.
1622
01:06:10,072 --> 01:06:12,713
They went out that morning
that Hoffa disappeared
1623
01:06:12,713 --> 01:06:14,297
looking for him, and
they couldn't find him,
1624
01:06:14,297 --> 01:06:15,672
and nobody saw him all day,
1625
01:06:15,672 --> 01:06:18,698
so that tells me that
he was probably there
1626
01:06:18,698 --> 01:06:20,818
as the Detroit representative.
1627
01:06:20,818 --> 01:06:23,763
Scott: I believe, after
talking to numerous sources,
1628
01:06:23,763 --> 01:06:26,975
both in the FBI and on the street itself,
1629
01:06:26,975 --> 01:06:29,041
guys that are actually in the mob,
1630
01:06:29,041 --> 01:06:34,041
I believe that Hoffa was
taken less than two miles away
1631
01:06:34,406 --> 01:06:37,366
to the house of Carlo Licata.
1632
01:06:37,366 --> 01:06:41,909
Licata was a Detroit mob
member, a mob soldier,
1633
01:06:41,909 --> 01:06:46,909
who was the brother-in-law
of Jack and Tony Tocco.
1634
01:06:47,328 --> 01:06:51,249
Licata's house was less
than a five-minute drive
1635
01:06:51,249 --> 01:06:53,050
from the Machus Red Fox.
1636
01:06:53,050 --> 01:06:57,181
Licata's house was also a
place that Hoffa had been
1637
01:06:57,181 --> 01:07:00,883
to meet the Giacalones on
several occasions before.
1638
01:07:00,883 --> 01:07:03,557
It was a house that was
used as a meeting point.
1639
01:07:03,557 --> 01:07:07,198
Licata himself was a trusted
member of the family,
1640
01:07:07,198 --> 01:07:09,334
related to the administration,
1641
01:07:09,334 --> 01:07:12,941
as well as the house was
almost a perfect location
1642
01:07:12,941 --> 01:07:16,102
in the sense that it was back on a hill,
1643
01:07:16,102 --> 01:07:17,698
removed from the road.
1644
01:07:17,698 --> 01:07:19,569
Greg: We think that he probably went to
1645
01:07:19,569 --> 01:07:22,489
Licata's house that wasn't too far.
1646
01:07:22,489 --> 01:07:24,669
Mike: I think they got him in a house,
1647
01:07:24,669 --> 01:07:26,579
and I think Billy Giacalone
was probably there.
1648
01:07:26,579 --> 01:07:29,706
I think somebody like
Andrettas, Briguglio,
1649
01:07:29,706 --> 01:07:31,039
somebody like that was there,
1650
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:32,166
and he was killed,
1651
01:07:32,166 --> 01:07:36,138
and then he was taken and
disposed of pretty quickly.
1652
01:07:36,138 --> 01:07:38,279
Greg: We think that they
disposed of the body
1653
01:07:38,279 --> 01:07:40,424
by taking it to the sanitation place
1654
01:07:40,424 --> 01:07:43,361
where they had contacts.
1655
01:07:43,361 --> 01:07:47,639
Scott: I'm convinced that
within a half hour to a hour
1656
01:07:47,639 --> 01:07:49,566
of Hoffa breathing his last breath
1657
01:07:49,566 --> 01:07:51,270
that he was incinerated,
1658
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:53,953
that the body ceases to exist,
1659
01:07:53,953 --> 01:07:58,460
and the ability to get rid of the body
1660
01:07:58,460 --> 01:08:02,212
was incredible with the Detroit mob
1661
01:08:02,212 --> 01:08:04,120
in the sense that they had three separate
1662
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:08,138
sanitation companies all
owned by mob members,
1663
01:08:08,138 --> 01:08:12,307
and the one that everyone
looks at primarily,
1664
01:08:12,307 --> 01:08:13,706
Central Sanitation,
1665
01:08:13,706 --> 01:08:15,500
was owned by Jimmy Quasarano,
1666
01:08:15,500 --> 01:08:16,667
(camera flash)
1667
01:08:16,667 --> 01:08:17,944
Paul and Peter Vitale,
1668
01:08:17,944 --> 01:08:19,189
and Carlo Licata.
1669
01:08:19,189 --> 01:08:20,505
Keith: There are a number
of people that think
1670
01:08:20,505 --> 01:08:22,340
Central Sanitation, the facility,
1671
01:08:22,340 --> 01:08:25,344
played a role in the
disappearance of the body
1672
01:08:25,344 --> 01:08:27,264
of James Hoffa,
1673
01:08:27,264 --> 01:08:29,349
and clearly, Quasarano and Vitale
1674
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:30,442
would have been people,
1675
01:08:30,442 --> 01:08:33,101
because of their equity
interest in that company,
1676
01:08:33,101 --> 01:08:34,185
who would have,
1677
01:08:34,185 --> 01:08:36,592
had to be involved in the decision.
1678
01:08:36,592 --> 01:08:41,592
And remember, shortly after
the events took place,
1679
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:43,914
Central Sanitation burned to the ground.
1680
01:08:43,914 --> 01:08:44,801
Scott: And what I believe
1681
01:08:44,801 --> 01:08:46,761
really puts the theory over the edge
1682
01:08:46,761 --> 01:08:48,952
is that on the sixth-year anniversary
1683
01:08:48,952 --> 01:08:50,344
of Hoffa's disappearance,
1684
01:08:50,344 --> 01:08:53,371
on July 30th, 1981,
1685
01:08:53,371 --> 01:08:57,884
Carlo Licata himself ended
up dead at that house
1686
01:08:57,884 --> 01:09:01,024
of two gunshot wounds to the chest.
1687
01:09:01,024 --> 01:09:02,046
(gunshot)
1688
01:09:02,046 --> 01:09:04,299
It was ruled a suicide,
1689
01:09:04,299 --> 01:09:05,633
but there are a lot of people,
1690
01:09:05,633 --> 01:09:08,261
both on the street and in law enforcement,
1691
01:09:08,261 --> 01:09:10,138
that believe this was
anything but a suicide,
1692
01:09:10,138 --> 01:09:11,889
that this was a message.
1693
01:09:11,889 --> 01:09:16,889
Keith: And obviously, Mr.
Licata met his demise in that
1694
01:09:17,085 --> 01:09:21,324
whether it's generally considered
to be a pedestrian manner.
1695
01:09:21,823 --> 01:09:24,822
Scott: Anyone that would even
consider giving information
1696
01:09:24,822 --> 01:09:28,951
about the Hoffa hit, no
matter how close they are
1697
01:09:28,951 --> 01:09:30,846
to the leaders of the mob,
1698
01:09:30,846 --> 01:09:33,255
they will be sacrificed.
1699
01:09:33,255 --> 01:09:35,337
(sinister music)
1700
01:09:38,264 --> 01:09:40,167
Voiceover: The report
names Carlos Marcello
1701
01:09:40,167 --> 01:09:41,514
and Santo Trafficante
1702
01:09:41,514 --> 01:09:44,047
as the most likely organized crime bosses
1703
01:09:44,047 --> 01:09:45,424
to have been involved.
1704
01:09:45,424 --> 01:09:48,050
It provides evidence,
some of it inconclusive,
1705
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:50,969
that they and Teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa
1706
01:09:50,969 --> 01:09:54,331
threatened John Kennedy,
Robert Kennedy, or both.
1707
01:09:54,331 --> 01:09:56,875
Further, it suggests
associations through which
1708
01:09:56,875 --> 01:09:59,327
they could have influenced
accused assassin,
1709
01:09:59,327 --> 01:10:00,689
Lee Harvey Oswald,
1710
01:10:00,689 --> 01:10:03,023
or Oswald's killer, Jack Ruby.
1711
01:10:03,023 --> 01:10:05,987
Teamster boss Hoffa
threatened John Kennedy,
1712
01:10:05,987 --> 01:10:07,633
Robert Kennedy, or both.
1713
01:10:07,633 --> 01:10:11,032
The committee documents still
unexplained phone contacts
1714
01:10:11,032 --> 01:10:12,826
between Hoffa aides and Ruby
1715
01:10:12,826 --> 01:10:14,834
within a month of the assassination
1716
01:10:14,834 --> 01:10:17,664
and says Hoffa had the
motive, opportunity, and means
1717
01:10:17,664 --> 01:10:19,264
to plan the murder.
1718
01:10:19,264 --> 01:10:20,458
Richard: Now prior to that,
1719
01:10:20,458 --> 01:10:23,693
there were two witnesses who
were also subpoenaed to appear
1720
01:10:23,693 --> 01:10:25,380
before the Church Committee,
1721
01:10:25,380 --> 01:10:28,259
Johnny Roselli and Sam Giancana,
1722
01:10:28,259 --> 01:10:32,183
and both of whom were executed
1723
01:10:32,183 --> 01:10:34,384
prior to their testimony.
1724
01:10:34,384 --> 01:10:38,267
So there is speculation that
Jimmy Hoffa would have gone
1725
01:10:38,267 --> 01:10:40,311
to that committee and
would have testified,
1726
01:10:40,311 --> 01:10:42,056
at least in part truthfully.
1727
01:10:42,164 --> 01:10:43,230
It's certainly clear
1728
01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:45,525
that those three murders were connected.
1729
01:10:45,525 --> 01:10:47,362
Dan: The CIA-Mafia plots to kill Castro
1730
01:10:47,362 --> 01:10:50,905
really weren't known
until many years later,
1731
01:10:50,905 --> 01:10:53,583
when Johny Roselli started talking,
1732
01:10:53,583 --> 01:10:56,268
and then the Church
Committee had their hearings,
1733
01:10:56,268 --> 01:11:00,830
and it was understood that
Jimmy Hoffa was cooperating
1734
01:11:00,830 --> 01:11:02,291
with the Church Committee.
1735
01:11:02,291 --> 01:11:05,931
Richard: I think that
that was the culmination
1736
01:11:05,931 --> 01:11:09,299
and the concern of the people or person
1737
01:11:09,299 --> 01:11:11,480
who ended Jimmy Hoffa's life,
1738
01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:13,661
that before that committee,
1739
01:11:13,661 --> 01:11:16,264
Jimmy Hoffa was going to say something
1740
01:11:16,264 --> 01:11:18,401
that nobody wanted him to say.
1741
01:11:18,401 --> 01:11:22,677
(sinister music)
1742
01:11:22,677 --> 01:11:24,480
Keith: By 1990, I became the chief
1743
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:27,485
of the Organized Crime
and Racketeering Section,
1744
01:11:27,485 --> 01:11:30,155
and it was my unit that was charged
1745
01:11:30,155 --> 01:11:32,739
with investigating the
Hoffa disappearance.
1746
01:11:32,739 --> 01:11:35,005
You would hear stories of
guys who claim they were
1747
01:11:35,005 --> 01:11:38,452
asked to dispose of a car
or bring a package here
1748
01:11:38,452 --> 01:11:39,745
or bring a box here,
1749
01:11:39,745 --> 01:11:43,718
and the Bureau correctly
assiduously pursued all of those,
1750
01:11:43,718 --> 01:11:45,266
but I never believed that.
1751
01:11:45,266 --> 01:11:47,330
I think that these guys knew
1752
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:49,647
that they had to keep this operation
1753
01:11:49,647 --> 01:11:52,010
to members of their own organization,
1754
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:53,884
keep the number of people involved
1755
01:11:53,884 --> 01:11:57,073
in any substantive way
as small as possible.
1756
01:11:57,073 --> 01:11:59,159
Richard: Every time a
wise guy was picked up
1757
01:11:59,159 --> 01:12:01,502
or every time a case was indicted,
1758
01:12:01,502 --> 01:12:04,916
if it was traditional La Cosa Nostra,
1759
01:12:05,655 --> 01:12:07,315
people would be asked about it,
1760
01:12:07,315 --> 01:12:10,668
then they would inherently
give the same answer,
1761
01:12:11,053 --> 01:12:12,536
which was nothing.
1762
01:12:12,956 --> 01:12:14,866
Keith: I would say the one that we became
1763
01:12:14,866 --> 01:12:17,303
most excited about and
ultimately turned out
1764
01:12:17,303 --> 01:12:18,868
not particularly beneficial
1765
01:12:18,868 --> 01:12:22,260
was the DNA evidence
on the hair sample and-
1766
01:12:22,260 --> 01:12:23,633
Greg: Analysis was done,
1767
01:12:23,633 --> 01:12:26,815
hair or more than one
hair was found in the car
1768
01:12:26,815 --> 01:12:29,190
in the passenger compartment of the car
1769
01:12:29,190 --> 01:12:33,585
that indicated that Hoffa
had been in that car.
1770
01:12:33,585 --> 01:12:35,324
We had hair from his hairbrushes,
1771
01:12:35,324 --> 01:12:38,295
and he said categorically unequivocally
1772
01:12:38,295 --> 01:12:41,436
that that dog had put Hoffa,
1773
01:12:41,436 --> 01:12:45,125
Hoffa's scent in the trunk of that,
1774
01:12:45,125 --> 01:12:47,397
of Joey Giacalone's Mercury.
1775
01:12:47,397 --> 01:12:49,318
That gives you the idea
that he was transported
1776
01:12:49,318 --> 01:12:52,255
wherever he was killed in
the passenger compartment,
1777
01:12:52,255 --> 01:12:53,619
and for whatever reason,
1778
01:12:53,619 --> 01:12:55,173
when he was transported somewhere else,
1779
01:12:55,173 --> 01:12:56,456
he was in the trunk.
1780
01:12:56,456 --> 01:12:58,077
David: Hoffa had been in that car.
1781
01:12:58,077 --> 01:13:01,978
But the question is was he in
the car the day that he died
1782
01:13:01,978 --> 01:13:02,995
or the day that he disappeared?
1783
01:13:02,995 --> 01:13:04,109
Who knows?
1784
01:13:04,456 --> 01:13:07,375
Voiceover: In 2003, investigators
dug under a swimming pool
1785
01:13:07,375 --> 01:13:08,797
in Northern Michigan.
1786
01:13:08,797 --> 01:13:12,132
In 2004, they ripped up the
floorboards of a Detroit house.
1787
01:13:12,132 --> 01:13:14,032
Carol: Just where is Jimmy Hoffa?
1788
01:13:14,032 --> 01:13:15,383
And that question hasn't been answered
1789
01:13:15,383 --> 01:13:18,386
since the Teamsters boss
disappeared three decades ago.
1790
01:13:18,386 --> 01:13:21,806
But this week, the FBI showed
up at a Michigan horse farm
1791
01:13:21,806 --> 01:13:23,112
and started digging.
1792
01:13:23,112 --> 01:13:24,663
Dan: And I jumped out of my seat
1793
01:13:24,663 --> 01:13:27,109
and I did a quadruple fist pump,
1794
01:13:27,109 --> 01:13:32,109
hoping that it was the
farm I wanted it to be.
1795
01:13:32,522 --> 01:13:34,304
And slowly but surely,
1796
01:13:34,304 --> 01:13:35,152
the information came out,
1797
01:13:35,152 --> 01:13:38,164
and it was Rolland McMaster's farm.
1798
01:13:38,303 --> 01:13:40,781
They tore down the barn.
1799
01:13:40,781 --> 01:13:43,200
They had to rebuild
the barn, public money,
1800
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,587
controversy.
1801
01:13:44,587 --> 01:13:46,621
The congressman out there raised hell,
1802
01:13:47,005 --> 01:13:48,919
and the dig stopped.
1803
01:13:48,919 --> 01:13:50,627
But the FBI said,
1804
01:13:50,627 --> 01:13:53,600
their last statement to
the New York Times was,
1805
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:58,600
"We believe that Hoffa's
body is buried here
1806
01:13:58,889 --> 01:14:00,736
"and that it has not been moved,
1807
01:14:00,736 --> 01:14:02,555
"and we may return to this place."
1808
01:14:02,555 --> 01:14:04,475
Mike: You're always going
to have some boss somewhere
1809
01:14:04,475 --> 01:14:06,325
that wants to make his or her career
1810
01:14:06,325 --> 01:14:08,083
on the fact that they were
the one who was in charge
1811
01:14:08,083 --> 01:14:09,562
when they found Jimmy Hoffa.
1812
01:14:09,562 --> 01:14:11,210
Bob: My name is Bob Foley.
1813
01:14:11,210 --> 01:14:13,161
I'm with the FBI's Detroit Division.
1814
01:14:13,161 --> 01:14:15,157
With me here, I've got Mike Bouchard,
1815
01:14:15,157 --> 01:14:16,538
Oakland County Sheriff,
1816
01:14:16,538 --> 01:14:18,121
and Geof Gaudard
1817
01:14:18,121 --> 01:14:20,537
with the Bloomfield
Township Police Department.
1818
01:14:20,537 --> 01:14:23,721
The FBI and our partners
are here this morning
1819
01:14:23,721 --> 01:14:25,580
to execute a search warrant
1820
01:14:25,580 --> 01:14:27,842
based on information that we have
1821
01:14:28,688 --> 01:14:31,803
involving the disappearance
of Jimmy Hoffa.
1822
01:14:31,937 --> 01:14:33,350
Keith: There's really stories that
1823
01:14:35,011 --> 01:14:37,764
he heard this story from Tony Giacalone.
1824
01:14:38,466 --> 01:14:40,825
Tony: Mr. Hoffa was picked up
1825
01:14:43,101 --> 01:14:45,681
and taken and buried alive.
1826
01:14:45,681 --> 01:14:46,474
[crosstalk]
1827
01:14:46,474 --> 01:14:48,392
Voiceover: Anthony Zerilli
gave the information
1828
01:14:48,392 --> 01:14:50,736
claiming that the property
that Hoffa was put on
1829
01:14:50,736 --> 01:14:53,397
at the time was owned by Jack Tocco,
1830
01:14:53,397 --> 01:14:56,412
his cousin and the convicted
mob godfather of Detroit.
1831
01:14:56,412 --> 01:14:57,324
Keith: Looking for money,
1832
01:14:57,324 --> 01:14:59,445
he's had some financial reversals.
1833
01:14:59,445 --> 01:15:01,913
He's looking for money,
trying to write a book,
1834
01:15:01,913 --> 01:15:04,367
trying to get somebody
to pay him some money.
1835
01:15:04,367 --> 01:15:05,785
Richard: Who has a Twitter account,
1836
01:15:05,785 --> 01:15:07,913
who has a website and Facebook,
1837
01:15:07,913 --> 01:15:11,707
and a website that says HoffaFound.com,
1838
01:15:11,707 --> 01:15:13,041
writing a book,
1839
01:15:13,041 --> 01:15:15,004
who's supposedly going to disclose
1840
01:15:15,004 --> 01:15:16,871
where Jimmy Hoffa is buried.
1841
01:15:16,871 --> 01:15:18,272
It's a kind of behavior that would make
1842
01:15:18,272 --> 01:15:20,871
Lucky Luciano spin in his grave.
1843
01:15:20,871 --> 01:15:22,760
And that's what
traditional organized crime
1844
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,896
has come to here, at
least here in Detroit.
1845
01:15:25,934 --> 01:15:28,766
Scott: To me, it is a
giant wild goose chase.
1846
01:15:28,766 --> 01:15:31,686
The fact that there are
people running around
1847
01:15:31,686 --> 01:15:34,577
trying to find a body is ludicrous.
1848
01:15:34,577 --> 01:15:38,116
Richard: Solving that crime,
very improbable at best.
1849
01:15:38,116 --> 01:15:40,543
Mike: I think it would be
nice, but it's not essential.
1850
01:15:40,543 --> 01:15:42,166
I think there's other
more important things
1851
01:15:42,166 --> 01:15:43,815
the Bureau is involved in nowadays
1852
01:15:43,815 --> 01:15:46,032
than solving Jimmy Hoffa's murder
1853
01:15:46,032 --> 01:15:49,878
Dan: This does not happen in America.
1854
01:15:50,081 --> 01:15:52,464
This murder must be solved.
1855
01:15:52,464 --> 01:15:53,875
Keith: I don't know any case
1856
01:15:53,875 --> 01:15:55,746
in the history of the federal government
1857
01:15:55,746 --> 01:15:57,475
criminal investigation
1858
01:15:57,475 --> 01:15:58,842
that has been looked at
1859
01:15:58,842 --> 01:16:01,665
as many different ways and
as many different times.
1860
01:16:01,665 --> 01:16:03,760
George: There's no easy
answer to any of this,
1861
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,736
and I don't think we're
ever going to know.
1862
01:16:06,013 --> 01:16:07,889
(sinister music)
1863
01:16:07,889 --> 01:16:10,152
(rewinding tape)
1864
01:16:10,152 --> 01:16:11,133
(gunshot)
1865
01:16:11,141 --> 01:16:11,684
(light music)
1866
01:16:11,684 --> 01:16:13,987
Dr. Russell: Yeah, I think
both the champions of Hoffa
1867
01:16:13,987 --> 01:16:15,664
and his detractors are wrong.
1868
01:16:15,664 --> 01:16:17,233
His champions think
1869
01:16:17,233 --> 01:16:21,125
that he was this great,
wonderful, crusading union leader
1870
01:16:21,125 --> 01:16:23,198
who cared about the working
class and his rank and file.
1871
01:16:23,198 --> 01:16:25,111
I don't see any evidence for that.
1872
01:16:25,311 --> 01:16:28,996
His detractors see him as
this immoral satanic figure
1873
01:16:28,996 --> 01:16:32,255
who was willing to sell out
his members for anything.
1874
01:16:32,749 --> 01:16:35,414
Hoffa was simply a product of his times.
1875
01:16:35,414 --> 01:16:37,902
Hoffa was militant because he had to be.
1876
01:16:38,210 --> 01:16:41,996
Hoffa was able to be
militant because he could be.
1877
01:16:42,657 --> 01:16:44,844
Hoffa was simply interested
1878
01:16:44,844 --> 01:16:47,553
in advancing himself and his career
1879
01:16:47,553 --> 01:16:49,409
and enlarging his power within the union
1880
01:16:49,409 --> 01:16:50,684
and the labor movement.
1881
01:16:50,684 --> 01:16:52,103
He had no other motives.
1882
01:16:52,103 --> 01:16:53,559
He was a product of his times,
1883
01:16:53,559 --> 01:16:56,278
and that explains why he was who he was.
1884
01:16:56,646 --> 01:16:59,567
Al: Jimmy Hoffa had
outlived his usefulness,
1885
01:16:59,567 --> 01:17:00,733
and he knew too much,
1886
01:17:00,733 --> 01:17:02,959
so it was just easier to kill him.
1887
01:17:02,959 --> 01:17:04,829
He had played a very complex game
1888
01:17:04,829 --> 01:17:05,989
for a long time,
1889
01:17:05,989 --> 01:17:08,407
and eventually, he overplayed his hand,
1890
01:17:08,407 --> 01:17:09,243
and that was it.
1891
01:17:09,243 --> 01:17:10,969
Dr. Buccellato: Was he a true believer?
1892
01:17:10,969 --> 01:17:12,680
Because I think early on,
1893
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,465
he was a true believer in terms of
1894
01:17:16,309 --> 01:17:17,466
workers' rights.
1895
01:17:18,001 --> 01:17:20,419
It becomes difficult for him to detach
1896
01:17:20,419 --> 01:17:21,338
(slow piano music)
1897
01:17:21,338 --> 01:17:26,059
from these partnerships that
he formed with the underworld.
1898
01:17:26,059 --> 01:17:27,359
People are coming after him
1899
01:17:27,359 --> 01:17:29,787
within his own labor movement.
1900
01:17:29,787 --> 01:17:31,931
The feds are coming after him.
1901
01:17:31,931 --> 01:17:33,808
I think that's a nice
way of thinking about it,
1902
01:17:33,808 --> 01:17:36,562
is Shakespearean tragedy.
1903
01:17:36,562 --> 01:17:40,425
How do you navigate
through these complicated
1904
01:17:40,425 --> 01:17:42,032
moral questions?
1905
01:17:42,742 --> 01:17:44,906
Al: If it wasn't for Jimmy
Hoffa and others like him
1906
01:17:44,906 --> 01:17:46,530
to fight on behalf of workers,
1907
01:17:46,530 --> 01:17:49,031
there wouldn't have been
that huge middle class
1908
01:17:49,031 --> 01:17:51,157
that girded the country
during the so-called
1909
01:17:51,157 --> 01:17:53,880
golden age of the '50s and '60s.
1910
01:17:54,079 --> 01:17:56,164
He had to get his hands dirty to do it,
1911
01:17:56,164 --> 01:17:59,379
and he loved the power and
the perks that came with it,
1912
01:17:59,379 --> 01:18:01,769
but so do politicians like the Kennedys,
1913
01:18:01,769 --> 01:18:05,589
and so do the so-called captains
of industry who he battled.
1914
01:18:05,589 --> 01:18:07,759
He didn't go to an Ivy League college,
1915
01:18:07,759 --> 01:18:09,343
he wasn't born with connections,
1916
01:18:09,343 --> 01:18:12,077
but he became one of the most
powerful men in the country,
1917
01:18:12,077 --> 01:18:13,517
one of the most loved men
1918
01:18:13,517 --> 01:18:14,807
and one of the most hated.
1919
01:18:14,807 --> 01:18:16,217
(dramatic music)
1920
01:18:16,217 --> 01:18:18,914
They don't make men like
Jimmy Hoffa anymore,
1921
01:18:18,914 --> 01:18:20,275
at least not in America.
1922
01:18:20,275 --> 01:18:25,275
(sinister music)
1923
01:18:35,307 --> 01:18:40,137
(soft music)
1924
01:18:40,999 --> 01:18:42,085
Man in glasses: I believe the Teamsters
1925
01:18:42,085 --> 01:18:47,020
are never going to take anything away
1926
01:18:47,020 --> 01:18:49,138
from their dedication to Mr. Hoffa
1927
01:18:49,138 --> 01:18:50,552
because he happens to be the person
1928
01:18:50,552 --> 01:18:52,469
that they knew and respected
1929
01:18:52,469 --> 01:18:54,730
for a great number of years.
1930
01:18:54,889 --> 01:18:56,474
I think they're all going to be delighted
1931
01:18:56,474 --> 01:18:58,400
over the fact that he's home.
1932
01:18:58,834 --> 01:19:01,145
I've had the association
of knowing Mr. Hoffa
1933
01:19:01,145 --> 01:19:03,315
since he was a young man of 17
1934
01:19:03,315 --> 01:19:05,566
and I was a youth of 18,
1935
01:19:05,566 --> 01:19:07,746
and I hope that the
fact that I'm a Teamster
1936
01:19:07,746 --> 01:19:08,903
is not going to deny me the right
1937
01:19:08,903 --> 01:19:10,196
to be able to say hello to him.
1938
01:19:10,196 --> 01:19:15,196
(soft music)
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