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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,560 (LIGHTNING CRACKS) 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,440 Joseph Mallord William Turner is regarded as one of 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,520 the most original and influential British artists of all time. 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,920 His work was transformative. 7 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:35,120 It shocked the Victorians and paved the way for modern art. 8 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,040 170 years after his death, 9 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,760 Turner's influence is still apparent today. 10 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,880 MAN: His art was absolutely transcendental 11 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,400 and almost spiritual. 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,600 NICK: He was the nation's greatest landscape artist. 13 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,360 But there's more to him. 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,080 There's another layer there. 15 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,880 He is a cryptic artist. 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:03,520 ERICA: We have now found hidden images that are electrifying. 17 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,160 Despite having been viewed by millions of people, 18 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,000 previously unnoticed, complex images 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:14,840 painted with precision 20 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,040 that have been overlooked for 170 years 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,720 have been found hidden within the paint strokes 22 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,760 of Turner's greatest works. 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,880 Throughout a number of the paintings, we found that, 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:30,440 astonishingly, a bear appears time and time again. 25 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,360 And we've come to the conclusion 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,520 that Turner represents himself as a bear. 27 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,440 There's this white flag of Turner's emblem, 28 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,200 which is a bear's head 29 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,000 with a high collar of the kind Turner wore. 30 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,120 But there are other narratives within this painting 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,400 that relate to Nelson trashing Napoleon's fleet. 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,000 He painted the head of a goose, 33 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:57,080 and we found this in more than one Turner work. 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,680 He's saying steam is the golden goose of the future. 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,120 It is going to produce great wealth. 36 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,320 Turner was a very tormented, brilliant man. 37 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,120 It wouldn't surprise me at all that there are secret meanings, codes, emblems. 38 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,080 I've seen some of my own. 39 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:21,320 Turner, he was a genius. 40 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,120 Nick is giving so many other layers of meaning. 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Oh! That is... Oh, my God. 42 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,000 That is... What the...? Sorry, I don't want to swear. 43 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,640 Can you see a face, a man's head, here? 44 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,760 I'm going to say it looks more like a chicken, actually, Nick, but... 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,160 That looks like genitalia to me. 46 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,840 (BOTH LAUGH) 47 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,280 Once you see it, you can't unsee it. 48 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,440 It's this amazing kind of moment of... 49 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,520 ..of decoding. 50 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,240 These groundbreaking discoveries 51 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,280 are the result of five years' extensive research 52 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,000 and cast new light on Turner's most famous paintings. 53 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,640 It began with the purchase of a painting. 54 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,880 Within that painting, we found some hidden images. 55 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:15,840 And because of that, we looked across to some works by Turner. 56 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,200 And there, looking out of the painting at me... 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:21,440 ..was Turner. 58 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,000 Unbelievable. 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,960 This is significant because there is only one known self-portrait 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:29,680 by Turner in oils, 61 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:33,760 and we've found a lot more smaller ones. 62 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,760 We're very certain that these are Turner himself. 63 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,840 When I found one or two... 64 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:42,960 quite large and impressive images, I had to go and lie down. 65 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:45,360 I hadn't experienced anything like that. 66 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,920 ERICA: There is a history of artists hiding things in paintings. 67 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,320 They've been doing it for centuries. 68 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,320 There's Giotto, who hid a devil in clouds... 69 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,120 ..Michelangelo, who outlined a brain in the Sistine Chapel... 70 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,720 ..and Gainsborough even hid genitalia. 71 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,600 And these are becoming increasingly researched now. 72 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:16,040 But what we found in Turner, nobody has ever discovered before. 73 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,040 NICK: But it isn't just about images. 74 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,920 It's about really the life and times of Turner... 75 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,960 ..expressed by him in paint. 76 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,440 These hidden images reveal new narratives 77 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,680 where none has previously existed 78 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,360 and have the potential to rewrite the history 79 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,200 of Britain's greatest painter. 80 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,960 This will very definitely change the way that we engage with his work. 81 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,920 And in at least four paintings, 82 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,160 we have a complete reinterpretation of that painting. 83 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,000 There are multiple instances 84 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,040 of the same image appearing across paintings. 85 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,800 It's hugely significant. We're in new territory here. 86 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,520 Born in 1775, 87 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:22,120 Turner is famed as Britain's painter of land, sea and light. 88 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,120 But Dr Nicholas Wilkinson and his wife Erica 89 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,800 think there is far more to Turner's work - 90 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:31,160 if you look at it in a new way... 91 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:32,800 closely. 92 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:35,520 ERICA: Nick has a doctorate in physical chemistry, 93 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:37,400 working on the molecular level, 94 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:42,480 and this requires three-dimensional visualisation. 95 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,840 And that is how this relates to his work on Turner. 96 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,480 He sometimes has been obsessed. 97 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,880 At home, there'll be computer screens with an image of Turner. 98 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,760 There'll be an iPad with an image of Turner. 99 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,680 Then he'll be sitting with his iPhone with an image of Turner. 100 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,800 And he was always blowing them up, 101 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:07,760 reducing them and rotating them. 102 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,560 We've had to keep this secret for... 103 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,200 ..five years, 104 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,720 so it has been incredibly difficult. 105 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,960 I worked in science for 15 years, 106 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,840 but then we bought a painting. 107 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,400 When I first looked at this marine painting, 108 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,880 there was a face looking out at me, 109 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,040 a hidden anamorphic image, 110 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:33,760 and I was quite shocked by that. 111 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,360 I found it to be quite disquieting 112 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:39,120 cos we were dealing with such a famous artist. 113 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,520 The Turner code 114 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,640 started to emerge 115 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,560 when I'd looked at 30 or 40 of his paintings 116 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,680 and found new narratives and recurrence between those paintings. 117 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,040 There were definite themes that started to occur 118 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:59,480 that were not known in Turner scholarship. 119 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:04,160 First of all, his titles are complicated and cryptic. 120 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:09,960 They are a bit like the satirical print titles of the time, 121 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,640 which are in two or more parts. 122 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,720 And part of that title is cryptic 123 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:18,560 and it tells you what to find in the painting. 124 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,840 The second part of the code 125 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,080 is anamorphic elements in the painting 126 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,920 to tell the narratives. 127 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,120 And those anamorphic elements are twofold. 128 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,680 They are pareidolic. 129 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,320 That means taking something inanimate 130 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,440 and turning it into something animate. 131 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,840 Or anthropomorphic, 132 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,400 which means taking multiple elements 133 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,800 and combining them into a single hidden image. 134 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:55,960 I think you need a fresh eye 135 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,600 to see Turner in the way that Nick has discovered him. 136 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,080 I was a trained art historian 137 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,280 and I didn't believe at first 138 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,680 that Turner would do something like this. 139 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,280 But then the more I read about his personality, 140 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,600 I realised that would have been entirely in keeping 141 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,120 with the kind of person that he was. 142 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,680 It appears that he definitely wanted 143 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,840 these hidden images to be found, 144 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,280 but he camouflaged them so skilfully 145 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,160 that they haven't been found for nearly 200 years. 146 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,400 What we would very much like to do is to show these hidden images 147 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,400 and all our theories to art experts. 148 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,600 We'd like to get their reactions. 149 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:58,600 In 1838, Turner painted The Fighting Temeraire, 150 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,760 showing an old battleship being towed to be broken up. 151 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,240 The ship had been part of Lord Nelson's fleet 152 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,280 at the Battle Of Trafalgar. 153 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,520 Turner never sold the painting, 154 00:09:09,560 --> 00:09:11,600 which he called "my darling". 155 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,640 Turner had grown up... 156 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,360 as a boy, 157 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,880 looking at these great ships of the Napoleonic wars. 158 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,800 You know, the heroic time of Nelson 159 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,640 and, you know, Waterloo. 160 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:30,360 In this picture, he's actually painting the end of it all. 161 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:34,160 This tug is pulling, with steam power, 162 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,560 the great sail ship of the past. 163 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,640 And people who wrote about the picture 164 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:40,840 commented on how this squat, 165 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,360 ugly, black, dark, little horrible tug 166 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,720 was pulling this graceful, beautiful 167 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,880 emblem of Britain's glorious maritime past 168 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:53,400 to destruction. 169 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:55,760 Yet, at the same time, I think Turner's not 170 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,480 entirely lamenting it 171 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,680 because, for me, Turner's identifying himself with that tug. 172 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,040 You know, Turner wore this black top hat. 173 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,480 He was a diminutive man. 174 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,000 So the tug, for me, IS Turner, and the tug represents 175 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,760 modern vision as well as the modern age of steam. 176 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,920 So it's complicated, it's a lament, 177 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,320 but it's also Turner saying, 178 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,920 "If I had to choose my own side, 179 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,880 my side is the modern." 180 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,040 Dr Wilkinson wants to see if he can convince 181 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:35,560 one of Britain's leading art historians 182 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,440 that there is even more to the work 183 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,680 than initially meets the eye. 184 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,960 There is a strange image on the left-hand side 185 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:44,840 of The Fighting Temeraire... 186 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,800 ..and if you look at it carefully, 187 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,720 it appears as a screaming head... 188 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,120 with a high collar...coat on 189 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,440 and it's impaled from above by a wooden stake. 190 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,440 And we propose that is Napoleon. 191 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,320 That's great. So it's a bit like Francis Bacon's screaming Pope, 192 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,680 except it's a screaming Napoleon. 193 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:12,600 To be fair, I CAN see a shape like a cocked hat, 194 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,760 and I can see where you would see a sort of... 195 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,880 I suppose it's almost like Munch's Scream. 196 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,240 What is it actually in the illusion of the painting? 197 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,760 It is a gun port. 198 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:23,320 There are three gun ports. 199 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:26,160 Two are his eyes and the other is his screaming mouth. 200 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:27,320 Right. 201 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,560 He's created something from those elements. 202 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,760 In your interpretation, I presume that would be a reference 203 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,720 to The Fighting Temeraire's role in the Battle Of Trafalgar. 204 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:40,200 This is the ship that speared Napoleon for once and for all. 205 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,240 Absolutely. The British tactic 206 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,040 was to fire into the hull of the French ships, 207 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,520 cause massive splinters that disabled the crew. 208 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:52,120 So, they actually speared by great pieces of wood? 209 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,000 They were speared by big pieces of wood. 210 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,200 Look at the top. 211 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:00,160 Ships attached their prize to their side and then sold it to market. 212 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,560 So, this is a metaphorical prize of Napoleon's head. 213 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,200 I suppose, in a sense, it's Napoleon's head on a stick. 214 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,680 Wellington had a statue of Napoleon placed in Apsley House. 215 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,840 Wellington wanted Napoleon in his house because he was his prize. 216 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:16,440 "I am the man who defeated Napoleon." 217 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,360 It's the same thought. Whether you see it or not. 218 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:21,160 And people can choose whether they agree 219 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,800 with your anthropomorphic reading of these things, 220 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,080 and whether their eyes are the same as your eyes. 221 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,760 At least in the case of this interpretation, 222 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,520 it's not as if it's overturning the meaning of the picture. 223 00:12:31,560 --> 00:12:34,400 Or it's not as if it's giving it some kind of mad twist. 224 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:38,280 It's actually reinforcing what we know Turner probably thought. 225 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,520 It's another layer within the painting. 226 00:12:41,560 --> 00:12:45,040 But will other Turner enthusiasts also concede 227 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,640 that one of the world's most famous paintings 228 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:52,520 might have a screaming, defeated Napoleon hiding in plain sight? 229 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,320 On the side of the Temeraire... 230 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,360 he's created... 231 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,880 a head and shoulders. 232 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:08,800 No... Surely he hasn't. Not on... 233 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,200 Not on this famous, most-loved painting? 234 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,160 First of all, can you see... 235 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,200 ..that this is a screaming head, 236 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:21,400 like Edvard Munch? Aaahh. 237 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,360 Right... Years before Ed Munch. 238 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,360 Where's the mouth? His mouth is here. 239 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,120 The eye is here. Yeah. 240 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,400 The admiral's hat is... 241 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:32,680 The golden braid is on top of his head. 242 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:34,200 He has... 243 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,440 a big collar and shoulder here, 244 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,920 and he's pinned to the side of the Temeraire. 245 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,480 Gee! 246 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,800 Wow. In fact... 247 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,320 it is... 248 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,160 we propose, Napoleon. Can you see it? 249 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,040 Of course. (CHUCKLES) 250 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,040 Wow. I think I need to have a drink 251 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:55,760 cos that is just absolutely mad. 252 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,960 If you look at the ยฃ20 note 253 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,160 and you will see Napoleon's head screaming 254 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,840 on the side of the Temeraire. I just can't believe that. 255 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:09,240 I can't believe that's not been seen before... 256 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,320 because it's there but visible and invisible. 257 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,920 I like that expression. It is both. 258 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,240 It is both. Yes. It's deliberately invisible. 259 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:19,400 Yeah, but... 260 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,680 But there is a challenge for the nation 261 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:23,400 to go find his hidden images. 262 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,640 On the left-hand side, beyond topographical form, 263 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,720 created from... 264 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:40,440 A sort of skull. ..the angle, 265 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,200 there's a sort of skull. 266 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,480 Yes. Yes. I can see a sort of skull. 267 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,520 He's got a high collar coat on... 268 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,040 Yeah. ..with a shoulder. 269 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,880 I can... I can see what you're getting at. 270 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,720 It even has a circular form on the hat here. 271 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,480 I'm gonna suggest to you that that's a cockade... 272 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,840 ..and that cockade is an emblem of the French Revolution. 273 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,360 It's very interesting. Once you see the shapes, you CAN see them. But... 274 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,120 Yeah. I mean, whether... 275 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,480 whether that's what that is, I'm not sure, 276 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,240 but I can see what you're saying. 277 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:16,120 You may never wipe that from your mind.No. 278 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,920 We suggest this is... 279 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:30,880 ..Napoleon impaled to the side of the Temeraire. 280 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,480 He was a prize of the Temeraire. Can you see it? 281 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:37,960 Yeah... 282 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,320 It could be a unicorn, you know. 283 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,320 (LAUGHS) I think it's a unicorn. 284 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,320 I'm not sure if it's... Napoleon impaled. 285 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,600 I can imagine he'd, like... 286 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,040 enjoy the secretness of it all and the fun of it all 287 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:54,440 if he DID, you know, 288 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:58,520 if he did imbue these paintings with hidden symbolism. 289 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,200 Yeah.But do you think that was very much of the time, 290 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,400 that's what people were doing generally? 291 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,320 No. Just Turner. Just Turner. 292 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,760 You look at others, there is nothing there.OK. 293 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,640 What would you say about that image 294 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,080 in our proposal that it's Napoleon? 295 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,200 The first thing I would observe is that... 296 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,080 the bow of the ship makes his hat. 297 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,040 And what I'd always thought about this painting 298 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,360 is that the perspective of the ship coming towards the viewer 299 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,240 is a little odd. 300 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:36,840 The fact that it is concealing an image of Napoleon 301 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,240 would explain that... 302 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,400 that Turner might have adapted the perspective 303 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,080 in order to accommodate this hidden face. 304 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,520 It appears to be a sort of three-dimensional... 305 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,080 ..entity on the side of the boat, screaming in agony. 306 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,760 Can you see that at all? 307 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,880 No, I can't see that. I really can't. 308 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,880 I mean, you know, I understand why Napoleon might be... 309 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:16,960 ..associated. 310 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,560 The story's kind of...there. 311 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,720 It's imminent all the time in that painting. 312 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,040 I don't see why you would then put more... 313 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,000 more into it, more information. 314 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,720 I don't think it needs it. 315 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,160 I think it's a simple story well told. 316 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,960 The Freudian theory was that you may try to repress something, 317 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,840 but it will come out somewhere else 318 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,880 because of strong, unconscious impulses. 319 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,880 It will come out in art. It will come out in your dreams. 320 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:52,680 It may come out in the slip of a tongue 321 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,400 in the middle of a conversation. 322 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:58,600 So if Turner is hiding something and has got a secret code 323 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,160 and trying to send an underhand message to the world, 324 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:06,080 the deeper psychological question psychologists would ask 325 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:08,040 is "What's his motivation?" 326 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:12,000 So, one reason why people sometimes embed codes, 327 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,120 or send signals in a hidden way, is a mischievousness, 328 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,960 a playfulness, and a kind of showing off. 329 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,480 And if Turner had a strong sense of superiority over other people, 330 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,520 he may be showing off if he tries to hide codes. 331 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,520 JMW Turner was indeed a well known show-off. 332 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,440 Every year at the opening of the Royal Academy Exhibition, 333 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,120 crowds watched him add finishing touches 334 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,480 that transformed his paintings. 335 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:44,320 Turner was famous for turning up and making changes that... 336 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,200 ..would seem to put the artists around him, 337 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,480 and their paintings, down, and make his picture pop up. 338 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,480 So he's hugely, hugely competitive. 339 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:56,480 I mean, Turner's personality is a very strange one 340 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,600 because on the one hand, he was crude, he was rude, 341 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:05,040 he was dishevelled, he was kind of a complete mess of a man. 342 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,440 He was also an extremely intelligent and well-read man. 343 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,600 He was aware of modern science and technology. 344 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,120 He read philosophy. 345 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:16,840 He composed his own poems. 346 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,080 He understood a great deal about history, 347 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,920 and he cared deeply about his own legacy. 348 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,040 And he wanted his pictures to be shown together, 349 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,080 exhibited together, 350 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:30,560 as part of his own legacy, 351 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:33,280 to be rooted in British history 352 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:37,440 in the way that his paintings depicted British history. 353 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,360 After extensive research, 354 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,520 the Wilkinsons have concluded that, 355 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:45,960 through a series of concealed images, 356 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,920 Turner represented himself as a bear. 357 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,720 If you look, he's resurrected all the masts on the Temeraire, 358 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:57,520 but put no flags on them. 359 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,040 But he's put this very prominent white flag 360 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,040 on the mast of the tugboat. 361 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,720 What do you see in the flag? 362 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,240 The flag is his emblem, the bear's head. 363 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:15,040 And that bear's head is looking down at the Temeraire. 364 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:20,320 You would see ears in the top left corner of the flag 365 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:23,320 and you'd see the bear's snout in the bottom left corner. 366 00:20:23,360 --> 00:20:24,760 Yeah. Yeah. 367 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,000 I mean, I have to... To me, I can see an animal, 368 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,400 but that's the thing about drapery in painting. 369 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,080 Yeah. But I'm gonna, you know, 370 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:36,080 if it sort of reinforces my idea that the tug was Turner, 371 00:20:36,120 --> 00:20:37,800 then, of course, I'm interested. 372 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,760 Within the Temeraire, 373 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,600 the only flag flying is on the tugboat. 374 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,440 It's a white flag. 375 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,960 But when you look at it... what he has done... 376 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,440 It seems completely the head of a bear. 377 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,480 It's the head of a bear. This one is incredible. 378 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,360 Are you able to see that? 379 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,760 The question is, are we looking at something 380 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,680 that Turner intended us to look at, 381 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,360 or is this something that is by chance 382 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,160 which creates this shape? I'm not sure. 383 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,800 Why is Turner sending these messages? 384 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,160 What's going on? 385 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:13,800 Cos a Freudian theory would be that he's repressed in some sense 386 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,520 or society is repressing him 387 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:18,640 and he has to get a way of getting a message out. 388 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,160 To send a code, you're hiding it from someone 389 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,800 and you want other people to see it. 390 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,600 One of the issues for Turner had started early in his life 391 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,320 when he was the president of Perspective at the Royal Academy. 392 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:37,680 He presented lectures there and... he was derided for that, 393 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,600 because his verbal style was not comprehensible. 394 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,000 And people joked at his expense about that, unfortunately. 395 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,600 I'd suggest he is recording in paint... 396 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,240 ..the narrative of his life through a series of paintings. 397 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,320 But why do it in a coded way? 398 00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,000 Maybe it's a sort of parlour game approach. 399 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,200 The parlour game was something in the early Victorian period 400 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,040 for people to find hidden images, 401 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,960 to give them little clues as to what it might be... 402 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,080 ..and to give them an additional level of looking at his work. 403 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,120 That painting is beautiful enough as it is. 404 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,520 He doesn't have to put a coded message in. 405 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,560 Once he starts doing that, 406 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,320 it begins to distract from the beauty of that painting. 407 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:32,600 You don't need a coded message. 408 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,720 If anything, the fact there's a coded message in there 409 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,000 begins to detract or distract the viewer 410 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,320 from the appreciation of that painting. 411 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,800 That being so, if you don't know there's a coded message there, 412 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,520 it is of no consequence. 413 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,600 OK. That's a very, very interesting counterargument. 414 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,240 When Nick first said, "Can you see a bear here?" 415 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,000 I said, "Yeah, but so what? Yeah, it looks like a bear. 416 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,640 But prove to me it's intended as a bear." 417 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,840 And only by looking extensively across several paintings, 418 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,200 has Nick been able to build up an argument 419 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,040 that has convinced me... to quite a sufficient degree. 420 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:24,200 ERICA: We found out that the bear is the Venetian painter Titian's 421 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:28,200 personal device, which was illustrated 422 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,280 in the most wonderful cartouche, 423 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,520 a lovely she-bear. 424 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,040 And between her front paws there is a lumpen block. 425 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,480 She is about to lick this block into shape 426 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,480 to reveal a bear cub. 427 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,800 And the idea is that this has a direct parallel 428 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,560 to the activity of artists. 429 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,240 Titian was regarded as the great colourist... 430 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,960 ..and Turner saw himself as Titian's heir. 431 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,240 Therefore, there is a good reason 432 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,880 for him choosing the bear as his personal emblem. 433 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,880 Dr Wilkinson believes that 434 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,440 Turner concealed other controversial images 435 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,880 within The Fighting Temeraire. 436 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,440 The yellow and orange shape at the end of the dirty plume 437 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,640 is actually a goose's head looking down the plume. 438 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,760 It is an eye and a breathing hole. 439 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,920 That's how you can identify it. 440 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,560 And he's portraying steam as the golden goose of the future age. 441 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,360 I can't see the goose. OK. 442 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,840 I don't see this. 443 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,200 This is like one of those Magic Eye things that I just can't see. 444 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,920 I'm afraid I'm not convinced by the goose in the smoke. 445 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,800 OK. 446 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,080 Now I'm going to show you the head of a goose. 447 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,800 It could be a face of many animals. 448 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,320 Yeah. Actually. 449 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,600 But I'm thinking that could also be... 450 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920 For me, I can't stop seeing... 451 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,200 Sorry. 452 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,480 But...a pig. 453 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,320 (CHUCKLES GOOFILY) 454 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,960 TIM: I can see something that could be interpreted like that. 455 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,160 Hmm. But I'm going to say... 456 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,640 ..I think it would change the whole nature of the painting to do that. 457 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,480 Yeah. Because he's a... 458 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,520 He's also an observational painter. 459 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,120 He's painting real things. 460 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,200 And why would he want to jeopardise that, 461 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,080 you know, powerful impression of reality. 462 00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,880 I'm so curious about this gigantic goose 463 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,160 kind of dominating everything. 464 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,440 I wonder what that tells us about Turner himself 465 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,360 and why he chose these images. 466 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,760 ERICA: We could see geese heads time and time again, 467 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,040 so we came to the conclusion this was a reference 468 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,280 to steam that was regarded 469 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,400 as the golden goose of the nation's wealth. 470 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,240 A number of history's most famous paintings 471 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,880 contain extraordinary secrets 472 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,640 that are still being uncovered centuries after their completion. 473 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,080 I think it's wonderful, this new kind of hobby 474 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,920 that seems to be sweeping the world, 475 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,800 which is people finding secret symbols in paintings. 476 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560 One of the great British painters of the 18th century 477 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,160 was Thomas Gainsborough, 478 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,120 and one of his most famous paintings - 479 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,760 it's one of the most popular paintings in Britain - 480 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,000 is Mr And Mrs Andrews, which is in the National Gallery. 481 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,240 People have loved this painting for centuries, 482 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,320 but they hadn't really noticed that at the very centre of the painting, 483 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,880 on Mrs Andrews' lap, 484 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,880 Gainsborough had actually drawn a squiggle of a penis, 485 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,800 perhaps to get back at the couple. 486 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,520 We know that he didn't finish the painting 487 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,080 because the relationship with the patrons broke down, 488 00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,120 and so perhaps he was getting revenge 489 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,040 on Mr or Mrs Andrews by doing that. 490 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,080 (LAUGHS) There's a far more prominent male member 491 00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,480 in Gainsborough's portrait of Countess Howe in Kenwood. 492 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,640 And if you read Gainsborough's letters, 493 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,720 why should anyone be surprised about this? 494 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,880 He's constantly writing, in his letters - 495 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,520 and indeed I think in his diary - about how aroused he becomes. 496 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,920 Why should we be surprised? 497 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,120 One of the earliest instances of Turner using hidden imagery 498 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,640 is in his 1829 painting Ulysses Deriding Polyphemus... 499 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,560 and the clue is in the title. 500 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,400 It describes the classical hero Ulysses, 501 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,960 taunting a giant Cyclops called Polyphemus, 502 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,040 from which he has escaped. 503 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800 And though we can see Ulysses on his ship, 504 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,560 Polyphemus is harder to spot 505 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,680 because he is made out of clouds. 506 00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:06,000 In this painting, there are some known hidden images. 507 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,840 There's the title, which is Polyphemus up in the clouds. 508 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,360 Have you seen that before? 509 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,400 Yes. Polyphemus is relatively easy to see. 510 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,240 I think there are the horses in the sun, 511 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600 which are also fairly easy to see. 512 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,720 But you'd miss them if you stayed at... 513 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,000 if you stayed at a distance of six to eight feet from the painting, 514 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,240 which is - for a picture like this - classically the correct distance. 515 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,840 So it's... Perhaps it's one of Turner's ways 516 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,360 of making you walk into his sun, having those horses there. 517 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,720 So there are other images as well. 518 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,720 The flag halfway up the flagpole there. 519 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,560 Are you aware that there is a Trojan horse on wheels 520 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,480 sitting in the flag... 521 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,800 and then, behind, there are buildings that are on fire? 522 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,280 But, yes, I do see what you mean. 523 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,920 Yeah. And I'm absolutely 524 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,040 prepared to accept the possibility that that might be there 525 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,960 because, you know, something like a flag for Turner 526 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,280 is an opportunity for these little graphic finesses. 527 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,360 Turner had this compulsive need to put graffiti everywhere. 528 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,440 So that all over his paintings, 529 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,560 you find these sort of secret messages and things 530 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,640 that are scurrying almost half out of sight. 531 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240 So, you know, absolutely, I'm happy to see a Trojan horse. 532 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,040 I CAN see a Trojan horse on wheels now. 533 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,920 Great. Lovely. 534 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,200 Finally, at the very top of the mast there 535 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600 is a bear's head with a bridle on it. 536 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,680 His ear is attached to the mast, and he's looking out right, 537 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,280 looking forward in the direction of the ship. 538 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,400 Written on that... 539 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600 ..it's the word U-L-Y, "Uly". 540 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,720 Maybe you can see it. Uly. 541 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,440 So he's painted Ulysses... 542 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,960 ..as a bear on the mast head. 543 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,600 I would suggest to you that he saw himself 544 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,080 as a journeying Ulysses. 545 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,000 Why would Ulysses be in the shape of a bear? 546 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,560 Is that because the bear is Turner's own emblem 547 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,560 that he borrows from Titian? 548 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,120 In your personal mythology of Turner, how does that work? 549 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,720 Correct. The bear's head is Turner's self emblem. 550 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200 It appears in many paintings. 551 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,520 I'm not sure about the bear's head, but essentially, 552 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,240 I don't disagree with your idea 553 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,080 of Turner identifying himself with Ulysses... 554 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,680 ..the endless, restless traveller 555 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,400 who finds it so hard to settle 556 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,400 and whose life is knocked awry 557 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,280 but his destiny leads him always onwards. 558 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,320 Actually, Turner is part of the ship, heading onwards. 559 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,760 If you look at the sail form. 560 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,840 It's got a big hooked nose on the right-hand side. 561 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,960 And then there's an eye there in the sail form - 562 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000 and he uses sails as images - 563 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,240 is Turner's head surging forward. 564 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,240 Well, I must say, if you're gonna... 565 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,520 The thing is, for this kind of transformation 566 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320 of something abstract into an actual image, 567 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,520 you do have a very good precedent in Leonardo da Vinci, 568 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,680 who says, you know, "Look at the stains on a wall. 569 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,840 Look at the clouds in the sky. Look at the drapery. 570 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,960 And if you see a shape in it, make it the basis for a painting." 571 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,880 So this idea of seeing shapes in clouds or in sail cloth 572 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,640 or in, you know, a bit of sea... 573 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,400 ..Leonardo da Vinci said that's what artists do. 574 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,840 The Wilkinsons' research has taken them across the UK. 575 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,800 But there is one place overseas that was special to Turner. 576 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,200 Venice. 577 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,720 He arrived here. He was doing the Grand Tour. 578 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,960 He was always travelling. He was a person very curious. 579 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,000 Turner, like so many British people, was just obsessed with Italy. 580 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,760 It was the "golden ticket" for him. 581 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,280 He drew thousands of sketches when he was in Italy. 582 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,920 He made hundreds of paintings inspired by Italy. 583 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,440 And I think Italy - and Venice in particular - 584 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,560 fundamentally transformed his art. 585 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,440 I think that was what propelled him 586 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,320 into this journey towards an art of light and colour. 587 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,160 Then he started to understand the light 588 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,760 and the way of painting of Titian and Tintoretto. 589 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,480 Dr Wilkinson is visiting some of the sites Turner would have seen... 590 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,680 ..viewing frescoes by Venetian Renaissance artists 591 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,240 Titian and Tintoretto, that Turner sketched. 592 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,760 And even the street Tintoretto lived in... 593 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,000 ..defined by its turbaned statues. 594 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,800 And the Palazzo del Cammello, or Camel House, where he lived. 595 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,640 It's no surprise that Venice is the setting 596 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,720 for one of Turner's most cryptic paintings. 597 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,240 Exhibited in 1833, 598 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,840 it shows Venice as the city of canals, 599 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,360 with its famous Bridge Of Sighs, 600 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,800 Ducal Palace and Custom House. 601 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,000 It also features an artist. 602 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,080 The traditional interpretation 603 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,960 is that this is the 17th-century Venetian painter Antonio Canal, 604 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,320 known by his nickname "Canaletto", which means "son of Canal". 605 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,080 But Turner's cryptic title is not "Canaletto", 606 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,920 but "Canaletti". 607 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,040 FRANNY: Titles are really important in Turner's work. 608 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,120 When he entitles one of his paintings "Canaletti" 609 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,360 rather than "Canaletto", 610 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,720 I think Nick is right to think 611 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,720 this may be an invitation 612 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,120 to consider the work as something of a riddle. 613 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,120 I think there is a clue in that title 614 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,680 by using an Italian plural. 615 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,120 NICK: His title is cryptic. "Canaletti Painting" 616 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,640 suggests to me "sons" 617 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,040 and it suggests to me "sons of Canal". 618 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,960 To me, "sons of Canal" means "the sons of Venice", 619 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,760 because Venice is canal. 620 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,840 And what you find in this painting - 621 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,480 I am going to propose to you, and I welcome your thoughts - 622 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,840 that he has taken this painting and painted in the sons of Venice. 623 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,640 Wow. All right? 624 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,520 So we have great famous Venetian people in here. 625 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,040 I think there's a son of Venice represented here in general 626 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,600 by the sublime painting of the buildings. 627 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,960 If you look at the painting as a whole, 628 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,000 the top two thirds is of a Canaletto-style painting. 629 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,760 It rivals Canaletto. Yeah. 630 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,360 And he's, in a way, 631 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,960 competed with Canaletto by presenting this, 632 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,320 but has paid homage to him as a son of Venice 633 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,000 in the nature of the painting of the buildings in the background. 634 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,520 I would put this proposal to you 635 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,920 that the artist painting at the easel, 636 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,920 it isn't Canaletto painting. 637 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,240 This is actually Titian painting. 638 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,440 He's wearing a Titian-red coat. Yes. 639 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,040 You look and it is known that this painting is amazingly framed. 640 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040 Yeah. Right? With a guild frame. 641 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,240 And the actual painting image that looks out at you 642 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,960 is a bear. Two eyes. 643 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880 Two eyes and a muzzle is a bear. 644 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,080 Now, the bear was Titian's emblem. 645 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,680 Beneath Titian, reflected in the water, 646 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,360 is a caricature image, 647 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640 self-image of Turner. 648 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,080 Turner is looking at the painting of the bear. 649 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,800 Oh, with a big nose. With a big nose. 650 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,000 And the head. Here is the eye. Yeah. 651 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,960 This is opening a completely... another point of view 652 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,280 of look into the Turner paintings. Yes. 653 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,360 There are things that I never thought. 654 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,000 No, there are clever, hidden things, 655 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,640 but they have symbolic meaning to Turner, 656 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,960 and he wants to convey them 657 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,920 to the readership, the audience, as well. 658 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,360 Through different anamorphic images, 659 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,800 he creates interest in the painting. 660 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,720 But he never gave it away in his lifetime. 661 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,080 He never said it? No, he didn't let people 662 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,640 see him painting. 663 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040 Probably because he was doing some of this. 664 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,160 This is quite powerful. 665 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,760 When you look at all these cloths here, 666 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,360 piled up on the boats in the middle of the painting, 667 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,800 there are three heads there. 668 00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:05,760 And in the middle of them... 669 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,680 is an animal's head. 670 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,200 The dark head is a camel's head. 671 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,320 And then we have three Moorish heads. 672 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,640 Right? Ahh. 673 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,560 So there is a meaning of the three Moors 674 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000 that are near the house of Tintoretto? 675 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,480 Yeah. That is a locational representation of Tintoretto, 676 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,120 cos that's where he worked. 677 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,120 Let me show you this unusual front of a boat here. 678 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,000 You see that shape 679 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,600 and you ask yourself, "What is he doing there?" 680 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,720 My proposal to you 681 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,120 is that that is a representation of Vivaldi. 682 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,360 And here we have a red cello with a neck, 683 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,720 and he even has tuning plugs on it. 684 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,720 Can you see? Completely. 685 00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,720 Yeah? So my proposal to you... You agree with that? 686 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,480 You've never seen that before. No, I never know this. 687 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,120 So, Canaletti in the sense of the sons of Venice. 688 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,840 Yes. So it's not only one? 689 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,440 No, there are multiple. 690 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,600 The painting features Venice's prison, 691 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,360 known as "The Leads", 692 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,800 from which the famous Venetian lothario Casanova once escaped. 693 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,800 And Dr Wilkinson thinks Turner 694 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,040 may have referred to this event, too. 695 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,480 But now we go on to another one, another type. 696 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000 And this is Casanova. 697 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,880 And here, Casanova escaping from The Leads. 698 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,360 He climbed down from the prison. 699 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,640 Yes. Yeah? 700 00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,880 And he was met by a gondola that whisked him away. 701 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,840 Here is Casanova sitting, smiling in the gondola 702 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,400 with his feet up. 703 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,920 Oh, fantastic. 704 00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,680 I think the other invitation to consider the painting as a riddle 705 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,960 is something that academics have always picked up on 706 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,440 and never really cracked, which is... 707 00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:11,280 ..you can see an artist to the left of the canvas, 708 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,560 painting at an easel, but he's painting... 709 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920 a painting that's already framed, 710 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,160 which of course, no artist ever does. 711 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,840 They may paint a bare canvas unframed. 712 00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,400 And so I think this instantly is asking us 713 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,000 to look at the whole painting 714 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,080 as a riddle about painters. 715 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,520 If Turner has called a painting after Canaletto, 716 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,520 why would he NOT depict Canaletto? 717 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,800 Why would the main figure be Titian? 718 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,600 Scientists have taught us to be sceptical. 719 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,160 To the right is a caricature image... 720 00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,040 ..in profile, of a man's head. 721 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,440 That looks like genitalia to me. 722 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,040 (BOTH LAUGH) 723 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,960 That's not a credible man. (LAUGHS) 724 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000 With a humongous nose. 725 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,920 Sorry, I'm not mocking you, but... 726 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,920 He could be a cartoon man. He could be a cartoon man. 727 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,280 But why would Turner paint a cartoon man? 728 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,000 Mm. I don't know. 729 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,160 This was the golden age of English caricature. 730 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,600 Mm. I just think he would be a bit more virtuoso about it 731 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,840 if he was going to do that. 732 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,040 You know, that doesn't feel like a credible head. 733 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,720 But that's ME. Everybody's subjective, I think, 734 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000 and you will see something different than I do. 735 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,080 Nick's thesis 736 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,040 is that some of Turner's references to popular culture, 737 00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,160 to pantomime, to caricature, 738 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,080 things that are a kind of litter, references do occur 739 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,600 and he just had that tendency 740 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,600 to try and put a bit of everything in a work. 741 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,720 You don't often spot the litter. 742 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,200 Often you have to look quite hard for it, but it'll be there. 743 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:57,720 Early on, Turner is doing a lot of work with printmakers, 744 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,080 both in terms of the reproduction of his own work 745 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,520 and in terms...in his earlier youth, 746 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,440 of learning from people who are in the print trade. 747 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,280 Seems to me entirely natural 748 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,000 that Turner would know his print trade inside out 749 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,920 and that an awareness of caricature would be a part of that. 750 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,360 One of the most exciting innovations, I think, 751 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,720 that the satirists pioneered was their use of quite surreal imagery. 752 00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,960 They loved hiding images within other images. 753 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,120 Or they loved hiding characters within particular shapes. 754 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,160 That's what's fun about these images - 755 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,280 at one glance you think you've worked it out already, 756 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,280 and then you look a little bit closer 757 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,080 and there's this peculiar, bizarre image that you're looking at. 758 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,760 I think it's exciting that we're looking at Turner 759 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,240 in light of these caricatures. 760 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,000 As you move into the 1830s, 1840s, 761 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,400 to the final couple of decades of his life, 762 00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,640 he develops what we call his late style. 763 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,880 And in that late style, 764 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,720 the paintings become more and more indistinct. 765 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,920 The figures and the forms begin to dissolve 766 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,680 and everything becomes dominated 767 00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:12,200 by this...diaphanous sheets of colour and light. 768 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,960 His work evolves constantly 769 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,160 and it just becomes richer and richer. 770 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,000 He becomes very interested in a concept called the sublime, 771 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,880 which is the opposite of beauty. 772 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,440 It's when you see something that terrifies you and you quite enjoy that. 773 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,280 This is a sort of way for him 774 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,800 to start pushing away from visual accuracy 775 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,480 into something new and something different. 776 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,120 CORNELIA: Turner was way ahead of his time, 777 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,000 and his late work was very impressionistic. 778 00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,480 Monet and all the Impressionists looked to him 779 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,840 and had been in London and looked at the work. 780 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,600 And so I think he was a catalyst 781 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,640 for that whole era of French Impressionism. 782 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,200 Claude Monet, who came in 1872 to London, 783 00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,720 he saw Turner's work and he was forever altered. 784 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,280 And very early in the history of Impressionism, 785 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,080 he and all the other Impressionist artists wrote a letter - 786 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,880 a public open letter - thanking Monsieur Turner 787 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,200 for having paved the way for Impressionism, 788 00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,440 and pointing them in the direction of painting light. 789 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,880 Monet spent the rest of his life pretending he'd never written that letter 790 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,080 and pretending that he wasn't absolutely in thrall to Turner. 791 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,960 In his later works in particular, 792 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,240 Turner described his art as indistinct. 793 00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,240 "Indistinctness is what I do." 794 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,720 Sort of this wonderful mix of colour and swirl. 795 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,440 And then when you get up close, you can see these little details. 796 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,440 So I think he's being playful there 797 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,600 by suggesting that somehow he is ALWAYS indistinct. 798 00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,480 I think anyone who's actually studied Turner's paintings up close 799 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,160 and looked at them, can start to see those little details ping out. 800 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,320 So I think he's both indistinct AND distinct at the same time. 801 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,440 What I think there is... is another way of looking at Turner, 802 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,000 and I think within the context of a single painting, 803 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,680 he uses discreet, sometimes camouflaged, imagery 804 00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,720 to enhance the meaning of that single painting. 805 00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,160 And it does seem to occur in the later part of Turner's career, 806 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,120 where he's more confident, perhaps, 807 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,480 where he cares less about what people think, 808 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,920 where perhaps he has become more prepared to be playful. 809 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,120 As Turner developed his indistinct style, 810 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,240 he also turned to new, modern topics, 811 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,120 which created a stir. 812 00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,840 His contemporaries thought he was a bit strange and he was. 813 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,840 Why would you paint a steam train rushing towards the audience 814 00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,720 as if to run them down? This is an amazing thing to paint. 815 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560 This is something of our time. No-one else is painting it. 816 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,240 Because the Industrial Revolution was such a shocking thing, 817 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,880 nobody painted it. It's like, "don't mention the war". 818 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,600 But Turner DID paint it. He painted smog. 819 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,240 No-one else did that. 820 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,720 And the public does respond, as you can imagine. 821 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,960 They go, "Wow!" 822 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,160 I mean, it's like lobbing a bomb into a gentlemen's club... 823 00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,560 ..a Turner painting. 824 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,520 I mean, it's this astonishing explosion of light. 825 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,800 If you had to boil down to, as it were, 826 00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,800 one sentence, the meaning of rain, steam and speed, 827 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,400 it's saying "this is the modern world". 828 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,520 Here it is, a steam train rushing towards you 829 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,600 across a viaduct, that's blurred by speed. 830 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,520 And all around it, 831 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,800 are these little images and emblems. 832 00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,320 There's this little boat. 833 00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,000 A road bridge...but no coaches. 834 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,240 There's a hare scampering out of the way. Nature - forget it. 835 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,120 A farmer with his plough and two horses. 836 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,200 But they're like ghosts cos, of course, 837 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,160 ploughs drawn by horses 838 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,120 are soon going to be a thing of the past. 839 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,600 And again, that train... 840 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,560 ..roaring towards the future, 841 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,680 roaring into some kind of visionary... 842 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,880 ..maelstrom of imagining. 843 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,320 To me, that's Turner. 844 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,320 You know, that's little Turner. 845 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,400 That's what the image is to me. 846 00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,560 But Dr Wilkinson thinks this painting 847 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,840 is not just celebrating steam power, 848 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,840 but specifically the man who developed it... 849 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,880 ..the engineering genius Isambard Kingdom Brunel. 850 00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680 He had built the new rail infrastructure, 851 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,320 designed railway bridges 852 00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,320 and a revolutionary kind of steamship, 853 00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,240 the SS Great Britain. 854 00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,320 He's painted on the front here - and you can see at the bottom, 855 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,600 below the train, there's a curve there. 856 00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,880 And it's actually a red wine bottle that's on the front of the train. 857 00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,640 Do you mean the whole front of the train IS a red wine bottle? 858 00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,800 Yes. Yeah. 859 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,760 And there is a reason for that. 860 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,400 On the 19th of July, 1843, 861 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,560 Brunel conducted the train, 862 00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,520 with Prince Albert on board, to Bristol. 863 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,840 The purpose of the visit was to float out 864 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,520 the greatest marine technology innovation of the day - 865 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,720 the SS Great Britain. 866 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,360 So why is the wine bottle significant? 867 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,000 So, a red wine bottle was used to launch a ship... 868 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,920 ..in those days. It wasn't champagne. 869 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,560 The real issue in this painting, though, 870 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,720 is that he has put the SS Great Britain ship in 871 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,280 and it is beneath some waving people. 872 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,000 If you look on the river, 873 00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,440 you will see a ghost ship with its prow to the left. 874 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,800 There are six ghostly masts 875 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,840 and the people who wave and draw you into it 876 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,160 we're actually those people at the floating out ceremony. 877 00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,840 So, in your interpretation, this is a sort of ghost indication 878 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,360 of the future destination of the train, 879 00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,280 which is to the launch of a ship? 880 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,160 Correct. And it's sort of there, floating. 881 00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,880 Cos I'd always thought that those figures dancing 882 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,560 somehow might represent the muses or... 883 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,360 It's almost as if Turner's saying, all of that mythology of the past, 884 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,880 that's really fading and fading and fading away 885 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,760 cos the new mythological beast, 886 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,480 the great sort of minotaur of now, is the steam train. 887 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,200 So it's a bit of a different interpretation. 888 00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,000 The steam train has been trumped by the SS Great Britain. 889 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,800 Well, I mean, I think... 890 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,560 You know, I personally think the train's enough. 891 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,240 But...you know, I mean, you know, it's interesting. 892 00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,320 It's the sort of theory that can't be denied 893 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,400 because what you're seeing, or claiming to see, 894 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,760 is, you know, a persuasive intellectual pattern. 895 00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,360 Whether it's REALLY there, we'd have to get Turner 896 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,440 out from the grave and say, "Is he right?" 897 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,160 And whether he'd tell us the truth anyway, how do we know? 898 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,640 I do feel the idea that the painting is a homage to Brunel... 899 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,440 ..I find that entirely persuasive. 900 00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,840 Whether it's a red wine bottle, whether there is a ghost ship, 901 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,960 I'm not...you know, I can't say I'm sure. 902 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,840 I can't say. "Yes, I agree. I see it. 903 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,720 I can understand the meaning." 904 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,160 But you've clearly done your research. 905 00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,640 (TRAIN WHISTLE TOOTS) 906 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,800 Of course, Turner was travelling around Britain 907 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,040 and his journeys were absolutely transformed 908 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,040 by the arrival of the trains and the railways, 909 00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,240 and that enabled him to travel to different parts of the country 910 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,080 in ways that he hadn't done before. 911 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,880 Turner was born in the late 18th century, 912 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,760 when the only modes of transport would have been horse and horseback. 913 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,400 The Firefly so brilliantly depicted in Turner's painting 914 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,720 would have been absolutely revolutionary. 915 00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,400 The iron horse had replaced the horse, 916 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,920 and the Iron horse was the Firefly locomotive, 917 00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,160 capable of reaching these extraordinary speeds 918 00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,080 and in fact, shrinking the entire country 919 00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,560 to what he would have grown up with as a child and as a young man. 920 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,040 (STEAM ENGINE HISSES) 921 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,120 (WHISTLE TOOTS) 922 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,880 (STEAM HISSES) 923 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,600 Well, Rob, thanks for joining us here on the platform 924 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,720 in front of a fantastic steam engine. 925 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,800 It IS beautiful. Historic steam engine. 926 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,560 No matter how many times I see it, 927 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,680 it always makes me smile when I come past this Firefly loco. 928 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,440 Magnificent. Yeah. I wanted to just run past you 929 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,000 some images that we've found in a painting by Turner 930 00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,360 called Rain Steam And Speed. Lovely. 931 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,640 There are some strange images around the front of the train here. 932 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,200 Bright-coloured... People think it's a fire box, 933 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,000 but you can see the fire box is HERE. 934 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160 That should be the front of the boiler. 935 00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,720 Yeah. And something strange hanging off the side of the train here. 936 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,160 This looks like the head of a man. 937 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,680 It's a nose and so on. 938 00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,640 And he's looking down at the bridge as if to inspect. 939 00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,120 So what's the thinking here? That this could be Brunel himself 940 00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,560 coming across, inspecting his handiwork, 941 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,200 inspecting his... his controversial design, 942 00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,400 but knowing that he was right? 943 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,520 Yeah. Yeah. 944 00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,440 I mean...I love that. 945 00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,920 And it is exactly... From what I know about Brunel, 946 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,600 it's the kind of thing that he would probably love to do - 947 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,120 go out inspecting the beauty of his work. 948 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,200 Another image associated with the front of the train. 949 00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,160 There are some lines coming down here 950 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,840 and then you follow them up 951 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,040 and it comes to the neck of a bottle and the top of a bottle. 952 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,440 It looks almost like a wine bottle. 953 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,160 OK. Can you see? 954 00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,720 Yeah, I can see that now, 955 00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,880 with the chimney being the neck of the bottle. 956 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,360 Yeah. On the opening. The chimney of the loco. 957 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,880 Yeah. Right. OK. 958 00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,640 What are we suggesting here? 959 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,920 Brunel wasn't an alcoholic as far as I know. 960 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,120 No. We're suggesting that this might be a wine bottle 961 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,400 travelling on... in the direction of Bristol. 962 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,960 Let's try another one. 963 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,360 If you look down the side of the train, 964 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,000 it's arranged rather as if it's a banqueting table. 965 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,800 Can you see that at all? 966 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,840 Looking along that perspective? Yeah. 967 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,080 With dinner plates as wheels along here? 968 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,560 Yeah, yeah. OK. 969 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,840 Yeah? I can see that. Yeah. 970 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,560 A man with sideburns and a bald pate 971 00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,960 looking down as if Brunel is having a banquet... 972 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,040 Mm. ..which he did many times. 973 00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,960 He used it as his influencing method. 974 00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,400 Yeah, I can see... 975 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,120 That's the clearest one you've shown me so far, I think. 976 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,960 I can see that very, very clearly. 977 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,960 Can I say about that as well... Yeah. Please. 978 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,240 Because of the style of the rest of the painting, 979 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,600 and the locomotive and the carriages behind, 980 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,360 there's not that much detail, 981 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,600 but it does strike me 982 00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,240 that those wheels - or dinner plates, perhaps - 983 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,120 are quite well defined, which you wouldn't expect in the style of the painting. 984 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,520 So there's something slightly at odds there, I'd say. 985 00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,720 It's quite extraordinary because that painting's so well known. 986 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,560 It's, you know, one of Turner's masterpieces. 987 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,480 And to think that thousands - or millions - of people 988 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,320 have looked at that painting and not seen that hidden imagery 989 00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,000 is quite extraordinary, especially as it's an homage to Brunel, 990 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,160 that Brunel himself is hidden in that painting. 991 00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,400 Isambard Kingdom Brunel was probably one of the most influential 992 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,960 and revolutionary engineers that Britain's ever had. 993 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,760 To think that he himself is hidden in that painting is extraordinary. 994 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,520 He's there in the foreground, conducting that train, 995 00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,400 you know, going towards Bristol, 996 00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,520 where the SS Great Britain is being launched, you know, 997 00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,960 the greatest ship of all time at that time. 998 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,440 It's these dancing people on the banks of the Thames. 999 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,280 Beneath them on the river... 1000 00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,280 ..there is... 1001 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,840 floating, a big boat with six masts. 1002 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,960 It could be. My eyesight is not as good as yours. 1003 00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,920 So it could be the SS Great Britain. 1004 00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,200 Could he be painting here, the floating out day? 1005 00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,640 Is certainly... It's certainly possible. 1006 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,120 Whether or not... One thing we don't know is whether Turner was there. 1007 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,640 It was widely reported in the papers of the time, 1008 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,800 so he would have known about that. 1009 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,360 And the people waving on the banks of the River Thames here... 1010 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,680 if you look directly beneath them, 1011 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:15,680 you will see what I term a "ghost ship". 1012 00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:17,840 And it's got six masts. 1013 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,080 Can you see it at all? 1014 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,360 I mean... 1015 00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,640 yes. 1016 00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,920 It's interesting. For me, the challenge is that 1017 00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,160 I think of Turner as such a... 1018 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,720 He was a kind of pre-impressionistic painter and a romantic painter. 1019 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,080 And so I think of his work as so gestural 1020 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,640 and so much about a kind of immediacy in his mark-making, 1021 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,040 that, you know, the idea that there's this 1022 00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,240 other image in there is a challenge. 1023 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,440 But then when I look at the figures and the way that they're reproduced, 1024 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,320 I mean, I can see a form there 1025 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,160 and, to me, it looks a little bit more like a fish. 1026 00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,200 These dancing people on the bank 1027 00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:01,240 and beneath them is a ghost ship with six masts. 1028 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,160 It looks like it is, for me... 1029 00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,800 It looks like it is a representation 1030 00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,120 of some ships that are, you know, on the river... 1031 00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,080 and there's figures above them. 1032 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,160 But I don't... I don't see that as a HIDDEN thing. 1033 00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,240 I think it's quite visible. 1034 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,880 Wow. Really? OK. Yeah. 1035 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,360 The idea of having different time frames in one painting, 1036 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,880 I find interesting. 1037 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,040 The boat's there but it's in plain sight. 1038 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,040 You know, he added those kind of details. 1039 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,880 That's what was a bit of his trademark, 1040 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,280 really, to come in and whack a few people into a painting. 1041 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,840 This is, of course, what Turner always said was his speciality, 1042 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,600 being indistinct, making people look, 1043 00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,840 inviting people to ask whether stuff is there or perhaps it's not. 1044 00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,080 Again, I think this is part of a game 1045 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,840 where nothing is entirely clear 1046 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,800 because of the complexity of the world. 1047 00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:01,320 A group that was long considered to perhaps be...dancing nymphs, 1048 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:02,840 Nick has now proposed 1049 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,240 that those are actually people waving off the SS Great Britain. 1050 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,960 And, yes, actually, if you look carefully, 1051 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,000 indistinct, there is a ship 1052 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,000 perhaps a little bit like the SS Great Britain. 1053 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,200 And I think the key to all this is "indistinct". 1054 00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,360 These aren't images that Turner wants to... 1055 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,920 be projecting forcefully from the paintings. 1056 00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,760 They're things that sort of come through the mist... 1057 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,200 the longer you look at them and contemplate them. 1058 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,360 I think it's really important 1059 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,200 we look closely at pictures 1060 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,040 and especially with great artists like Turner, 1061 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,840 we will always find new things if we look. 1062 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,120 Over the last ten years or so, a number of studies have examined 1063 00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,200 how long most members of the public 1064 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,080 spend looking at individual paintings in galleries. 1065 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,080 The results are pretty extraordinary. 1066 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,840 What they found is that the average person spends 1067 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,880 25 seconds looking at a given painting. 1068 00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,360 Now, that really isn't a lot. If you compare it... 1069 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,320 We dedicate three minutes of our time to a pop song, 1070 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,240 40 minutes to a symphony, two hours to a film, 1071 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,080 two or three weeks to a novel, but only 25 seconds to a painting. 1072 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,400 And that means that we're really not looking at great works of art 1073 00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,080 for long enough to absorb them, 1074 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,520 and certainly not looking at them long enough 1075 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,680 to discover new things about them. 1076 00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,200 I think if you DO look at paintings more closely 1077 00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,000 and you take your time, you can discover extraordinary things. 1078 00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,000 There were no galleries in the past. 1079 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,720 If you wanted to see a painting, 1080 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,760 you would have to go to someone's house 1081 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,480 and you would go and inspect the paintings 1082 00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,760 and you would spend time doing that. 1083 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,080 You wouldn't look at them for 60 seconds and walk on, 1084 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,640 which is what we do now. 1085 00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,920 I also think people aren't confident looking at paintings. 1086 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,360 When we go into a gallery, we're very often looking for guidance. 1087 00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,680 And I think it takes a lot of courage 1088 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,680 to actually say what YOU see, 1089 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,800 regardless of what you're being TOLD to see. 1090 00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,360 I think it's also important that a broader range 1091 00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,920 of perspectives is brought to the history of art. 1092 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,640 It shouldn't just be established art historians and curators looking at works of art, 1093 00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,520 but sometimes people from a very different background 1094 00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,280 can see things and notice things that other people haven't noticed. 1095 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,720 So I think that what Nick Wilkinson has found is fascinating. 1096 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,480 I think he's clearly looked very deeply 1097 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,680 and very carefully at these paintings. 1098 00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,360 And it may well be that some of the things he's discovered are... 1099 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,520 were intended by Turner, 1100 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,640 but it's also possible that none of them were intended by Turner 1101 00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,280 and those things have been placed there by Nick 1102 00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,680 in his own determination to find those symbols. 1103 00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,280 What's brilliant about Nick is he's just come from left of field 1104 00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,280 and anyone who comes from left of field, there's a shock 1105 00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,880 and you think, "Really? Can this possibly be true? 1106 01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,480 Could we have missed all this for sure?" 1107 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,200 I think he is controversial... 1108 01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,920 ..and a lot of people won't want to see that. 1109 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,240 Whether you agree or not, it's up to you. 1110 01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,920 But at least we can have a nice debate about it. 1111 01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,120 In 1822, Turner painted The Battle Of Trafalgar 1112 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,080 celebrating Admiral Lord Nelson's triumph 1113 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,920 over Napoleon's warships in 1805. 1114 01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,760 The painting shows Nelson's ship the Victory 1115 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,320 sending out a signal flag saying "every man will do his duty". 1116 01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,360 But it also contains symbols relating to Nelson himself, 1117 01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,320 who died in the battle. 1118 01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,320 One of the paintings that Nick has really focused on 1119 01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,560 that I DO find really intriguing, 1120 01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,480 is Turner's painting of The Battle Of Trafalgar, 1121 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,960 cos that has always been 1122 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,920 just a weird painting in Turner's repertoire. 1123 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,120 It's an odd painting, full stop. 1124 01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,800 The Battle Of Trafalgar is a very strange painting. 1125 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,360 It's not really a very Turnerian picture 1126 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,840 because although it's magnificent and highly accomplished, 1127 01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,920 and full of extraordinary detail, it's quite static. 1128 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,560 And of course, like so many of Turner's pictures, 1129 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,960 it is filled with symbols - 1130 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,080 a flag spelling out the word "duty" 1131 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,040 and Nelson's motto hidden beneath the water. 1132 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,120 It's a strange, bizarre painting, 1133 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,680 and I've never really understood why it was static, 1134 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,160 why the sails were so Baroque. 1135 01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,680 All sorts of things. 1136 01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,880 And in a way, Nick's findings have really helped. 1137 01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,760 This is Turner's only royal commission. 1138 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,280 Commissioned by George IV. 1139 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,600 And it's got a low perspective 1140 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,760 with Victory centre stage, looming large. 1141 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,080 In the foreground, you've got a scene of the chaos of battle 1142 01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,200 and death - drowning sailors. 1143 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,480 It's already loaded with imagery. 1144 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,800 Does the falling mast indicate the death of Nelson? 1145 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,760 His signal flag is still flying there. 1146 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,400 "England expects every man to do its duty." 1147 01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,360 So he's really hammering home the patriotic. 1148 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,320 The Wilkinsons think that there are many more images 1149 01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,760 than have been spotted so far... 1150 01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:53,800 and also ones that tell a bigger story about Nelson himself. 1151 01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,160 I want to go through some hidden images 1152 01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,600 and just get your reaction to that, really. 1153 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,280 There is a dark falling sail. 1154 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,760 That sail has the form of a death mask. 1155 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,920 Could well represent the death mask of Nelson. 1156 01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:15,480 There's a rather strange triangular bicorne hat. 1157 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,960 And then, finally, there is a skull wearing a coronet 1158 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,280 of the kind that you find in the Order Of The Bath. 1159 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,120 It's a sort of cone-shaped coronet. 1160 01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:34,560 What we suggest is that these are all tokens of Nelson's death. 1161 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,160 I think if the falling foremast is often thought 1162 01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,680 to represent Nelson himself falling to the deck, 1163 01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,960 then there's a degree of sense 1164 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:49,160 that those elements would be further down from the mast. 1165 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,680 I can certainly see the bicorne hat. 1166 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,280 I hadn't noticed that at all. 1167 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,080 Certainly there's a connection 1168 01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,120 between the traditional interpretation of the painting 1169 01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,520 and what appear to be some hidden forms. 1170 01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,840 Nelson was a celebrity, 1171 01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,920 his love life in the public eye. 1172 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,160 Famously, he had a mistress, Emma Hamilton, 1173 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,320 while still married. 1174 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,640 If you look at the correspondence... 1175 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,000 ..between Nelson and Emma Hamilton, 1176 01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,360 they referred to his wife, 1177 01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,000 Frances Nisbet, as a..."Tom Tit". 1178 01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,600 Right. Right? 1179 01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,320 If you look at the prow of the Victory... 1180 01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,280 ..and the way that sail's... 1181 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,960 very neatly curved round... 1182 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,160 Oh, yes. There's an eye and there's a beak. 1183 01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,520 Yep. 1184 01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,400 A bird, a tom tit. 1185 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,760 They called her a tom tit because she had rheumatism. 1186 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,000 She moved around erratically. 1187 01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,440 That's why they did it. It was rather harsh and unkind. 1188 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,560 How do you feel about that? 1189 01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,600 Well, it's a lot to take in. 1190 01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,840 In what's a familiar... 1191 01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,520 familiar painting, 1192 01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,120 why insert these additional meanings? 1193 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,760 If you look - and it's best to see it from a distance - 1194 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:16,440 you see the sea form forms the bosom of a lady. 1195 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,560 And then there is a face 1196 01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,480 looking out at you 1197 01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,560 with a particularly prominent eye... 1198 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,200 ..and her chin here. 1199 01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,360 And she's got a white sheet behind her. 1200 01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,000 This, we suggest, is Emma Hamilton. 1201 01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,040 Ah. OK? 1202 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,120 HMS Victory, 1203 01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,480 which is behind us here now. It is. 1204 01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,600 Pristine condition. 1205 01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,720 But I'm gonna draw you to the foreground here. 1206 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,440 Floating in the sea here, 1207 01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,640 supine in the sea, looking upwards... 1208 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,720 in death, 1209 01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,720 we propose, is the head of Nelson. 1210 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,800 Oh, yes, I've got it now. Yes. It's there, isn't it? 1211 01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,880 I can see his nose quite clearly and grey features. 1212 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,640 Very appropriate for somebody who's dead, I suppose. 1213 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,680 Isn't that incredible? Yeah. 1214 01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,440 That your relative, Turner, 1215 01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,000 has painted the dead Nelson 1216 01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:36,920 supporting the British nation after his death at the battle? 1217 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,960 Yes, it's remarkable. 1218 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,520 I'm assuming he intended to do that 1219 01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,560 and it's not an optical illusion, basically. 1220 01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,960 Dr Wilkinson thinks the figure of Nelson in the sea 1221 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,200 may refer to Nelson's funeral, 1222 01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,200 where his coffin was placed in a model of the Victory. 1223 01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,120 I don't see that there. 1224 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,000 It's not convincing to me at all. 1225 01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,520 I understand the imagery in the painting, 1226 01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,760 but then I don't buy that particularly, 1227 01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,640 because I think it's too disruptive 1228 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,400 of the coherence of the original image. 1229 01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:18,360 So I don't see why he would then, you know, over-egg it a bit. 1230 01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,160 You told me there were death masks and yes, I can see them. 1231 01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,800 In the context of what this painting was trying to achieve 1232 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,040 by somehow embodying the life of Nelson, 1233 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,920 I'm prepared to buy it. 1234 01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,520 There is already, in the sort of academic field, 1235 01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,760 some sort of understanding that there are hidden messages. 1236 01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,800 But, yeah, it was only when I looked through YOUR eyes 1237 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:48,320 I saw this very strange composition at the bottom. 1238 01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,520 You know, you do see a face lying in state, 1239 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,080 and I had never considered that. 1240 01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,920 It's here. His hair is sort of floating off. 1241 01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,320 Is this his mouth? That's his mouth. Yeah. 1242 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,000 I think it's a bit of caricature. I don't know if that's a face. 1243 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,640 But don't you think you could take any painting 1244 01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,520 and zoom in on it and find faces? 1245 01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,440 I mean, I used to do this as a child. 1246 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,800 We had very... I lived in a 400-year-old cottage 1247 01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,880 and it had very bumpy walls and was very badly painted. 1248 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,320 I remember I used to have to count 50 faces before I fell asleep. 1249 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,840 The tendency to perceive images or objects 1250 01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,480 where they don't exist is known as pareidolia. 1251 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,560 Pareidolia is a strange name, 1252 01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,360 but it actually describes something we all do every day. 1253 01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,920 It describes the way we see images in things. 1254 01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,840 So every time you look up to the clouds 1255 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,960 and you see a face in the clouds, or you see a face in your coffee, 1256 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,560 that is a pareidolia. 1257 01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,000 Probably the best known example of pareidolia is the Man in the Moon. 1258 01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,320 We look at the moon and we think that we see, 1259 01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,120 in the distant craters, a human face. 1260 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:06,400 My viewing experience of something will be informed by what I know. 1261 01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:10,040 Your viewing experience of something will be informed by what YOU know. 1262 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,520 Many people think that the famous cave paintings 1263 01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,360 that you find in the Upper Paleolithic 1264 01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,640 are also themselves pareidolia, 1265 01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,840 and that the artists that made those images 1266 01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,160 weren't simply putting images onto the cave walls 1267 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,000 but were seeing images 1268 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,360 in the shapes and the shadows of the cave walls. 1269 01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,480 Renaissance artists exploited pareidolic effects. 1270 01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,320 Correggio shows a nymph embraced by a cloudy Jupiter. 1271 01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,520 Mantegna's sky features heavenly faces. 1272 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,960 Accidental things can occur in the making of works of art, 1273 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,800 which artists then embrace. 1274 01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,000 It could be that it began as an accident, 1275 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,120 and it was then something that he tweaked 1276 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,240 in order to make it appear more intentional. 1277 01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:57,480 I think it's highly likely that that was part of his process 1278 01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,520 of producing these hidden images, 1279 01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,600 and we know that that is an established form for producing art, 1280 01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,640 which dates back to... 1281 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,920 The earliest account we have is in 11th-century China. 1282 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,120 In Turner's day, he and other landscape painters 1283 01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,080 were taught using an inkblot technique... 1284 01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,360 which encouraged them to find imaginary scenes in wet paint. 1285 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,960 OK, so in terms of watercolour... 1286 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,400 ..and what you might call the inkblot technique, 1287 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,000 Turner would have used... 1288 01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,720 Obviously, he was a great master of watercolour. 1289 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,520 In his later years, when he was very free 1290 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,920 and loose with his application - especially with watercolour... 1291 01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,760 it would...he would flood it on with a brush like this. 1292 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,720 So it's often thought 1293 01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,480 that he might simply start something like this 1294 01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,120 and then develop a watercolour 1295 01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,960 from the suggestive properties of the blotch. 1296 01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,960 And, of course, this was something that... 1297 01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,720 uh... 1298 01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,240 is mentioned... 1299 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:18,440 Leonardo da Vinci mentions this as a way of generating imagery 1300 01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:22,040 and as a way of understanding the natural world. 1301 01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:27,960 So he would advise his pupils to... to look at... 1302 01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,240 ..stains on walls... 1303 01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,040 as a way of emulating 1304 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,560 the kind of 1305 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,040 shapes and forms that that happened in nature. 1306 01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,240 So we might sort of suddenly think, "OK, well, there's a bit of, 1307 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,960 perhaps, a horizon line... developing here." 1308 01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,560 And this is entirely speculative what I'm doing. 1309 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,280 I'm just following my nose a bit 1310 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,800 and reacting to what I see in front of me. 1311 01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:09,120 What these blots and blotches might suggest. 1312 01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,040 What Turner is such a master at 1313 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,000 is being responsive to his medium... 1314 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,520 ..and working within the limits of it, 1315 01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,440 but pushing the limits as well. 1316 01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,240 He did everything in spades that they pretend 1317 01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,600 the artists on the Turner Prize shortlist are doing every year. 1318 01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,880 But that kind of idea of an artist as someone 1319 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,960 pushing the boundaries, somebody making you see the world afresh, 1320 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,680 it didn't exist in Victorian England. 1321 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,840 In Victorian England, the job of the artist was to paint myself, 1322 01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,840 my wife, my horse, my dog, my country estate. 1323 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,200 Maybe paint a bit of mythology. 1324 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,160 The idea that you'd paint the meaning of the universe - 1325 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,080 because that's Turner's subject, 1326 01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,640 he is actually taking on the meaning of the universe. 1327 01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,360 He's pushing towards the point that Einstein reaches 1328 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:07,120 considerably later - namely the idea that somehow, in light, 1329 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:08,920 in the perception of light, 1330 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,040 the secrets of the universe lie encoded. 1331 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,840 Artists have long tried to give multiple dimensions to their work. 1332 01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,120 17th-century painters made landscapes 1333 01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,320 that transformed into people. 1334 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,320 And perhaps some of Turner's landscapes conceal people, too. 1335 01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,680 Does his painting of St Catherine's Hill in Guildford 1336 01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,280 hide a head and shoulders of the saint? 1337 01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,360 If you track through the history of art, 1338 01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,880 what you find is that this idea of hidden images 1339 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,000 is a fundamental part of the history of art. 1340 01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:52,520 Whether it's these distorted skulls in the backgrounds of Renaissance vanitas paintings, 1341 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,400 whether it's the double images of Salvador Dali and the surrealists, 1342 01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:58,040 the idea of disguising 1343 01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,240 and putting images secretly into other images 1344 01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,920 is a fundamental technique in the history of art. 1345 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,320 It's a very fascinating territory. 1346 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,400 The whole beauty of them is they're hidden. 1347 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,520 Probably one of the best-known examples 1348 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,920 in a British public collection 1349 01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,400 is in Holbein's Painting The Ambassadors, 1350 01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:20,560 which is in the National Gallery in London. 1351 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,800 This is a full-length, full-sized portrait 1352 01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,560 of two French ambassadors to the Court of Henry VIII. 1353 01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,920 The Ambassadors is famous for its hidden symbolism. 1354 01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,920 And it's famous above all for this anamorphic skull, 1355 01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,800 this...stretched skull, 1356 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,120 that when you look at the painting straight on, 1357 01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,200 you just think, "What's that mark at the bottom of the canvas?" 1358 01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,040 But when you actually go round to the side 1359 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,760 and you look at the painting down, 1360 01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,000 or when you go to the other side and look at it up, 1361 01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,880 that whole "smear", if you like, 1362 01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,440 condenses into a perfect painting of a skull. 1363 01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,000 So that's a classic example 1364 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,320 of an artist hiding symbols in plain sight. 1365 01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,400 The idea of hiding imagery in paintings 1366 01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,720 was very well established. 1367 01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,640 But as a young man, Turner lived in Maiden Lane. 1368 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,880 The area was full of theatres and print shops 1369 01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,720 and places where he would have seen satirical images, 1370 01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,400 often had concealed anthropomorphic images within them. 1371 01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:26,480 So all of this is in Turner's kind of visual vocabulary 1372 01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,800 from a very early stage. 1373 01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,360 I think it's entirely plausible that he would have continued 1374 01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,840 to deploy those techniques throughout his career. 1375 01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,560 And the other thing, I think, that anybody knows 1376 01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,040 from having discovered a hidden or anthropomorphic image 1377 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,480 is that when we DO notice these things, 1378 01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,120 they have a very profound 1379 01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,600 and memorable effect on our consciousness. 1380 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,720 I can see why he would have used this technique 1381 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,880 to make a political statement. 1382 01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:02,720 And Turner DID make political statements. 1383 01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,800 In his painting entitled Slave Ship, 1384 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,000 Slavers Throwing Overboard The Dead And Dying - Typhon Coming On... 1385 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,920 ..he shows the practice of offloading human cargo 1386 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,680 as a storm approaches. 1387 01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,240 You look at it and you go into the painting. 1388 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,120 It doesn't come out to you. You have to go into it to find it. 1389 01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,600 And that's what I love about it as a work of art. 1390 01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,280 Now, the story it tells is quite dreadful. 1391 01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,920 These were people methodically thrown overboard over three days. 1392 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,680 142 lives. Men, women and children were thrown into the sea. 1393 01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,440 Apparently, one of them actually made it back... 1394 01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:39,960 such was his will to live. 1395 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,960 The painting immortalised the 1781 Zong Massacre. 1396 01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,200 The ship was sailing to Jamaica. 1397 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,960 Beneath the deck, over 400 suffocating human beings 1398 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,480 were being held captive in horrific conditions. 1399 01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,520 These ships were not designed to carry so many people 1400 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:15,480 who would have been having less than a coffin space to circulate in. 1401 01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,600 Some figures go up to 470, 1402 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,680 and maybe we won't ever really fully know, 1403 01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,320 simply because the records are incomplete. 1404 01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,960 There was a so-called slave ship. 1405 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,360 They set out en route to Jamaica, 1406 01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,760 but due to miscalculations, 1407 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,000 they passed Jamaica 1408 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,800 and they began to run out of food, water. 1409 01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,640 The ship captain - somebody called Luke Collingwood - 1410 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,080 orders the crew to throw overboard... 1411 01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,360 the surplus Africans. 1412 01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,640 Just even talking about it is really difficult. 1413 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:09,040 For many of those who were trying to stop slavery, 1414 01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,800 including abolitionists - and African abolitionists - 1415 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:18,720 the way in which they were able to impact social consciousness 1416 01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,840 and to change and transform hearts and minds 1417 01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,680 was through works of art 1418 01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,360 that we don't often see as having a political value. 1419 01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,040 But they would have had such a political impact. 1420 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,960 But here's the thing. I think that this painting is being seen 1421 01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,920 as Turner having a bit of guilt. 1422 01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,600 He'd invested in a share in a sugar plantation in Jamaica. 1423 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:53,640 So he was part of the transatlantic slave trade movement, 1424 01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,320 but at the same time was able to kind of see the horror 1425 01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,040 and the barbaric nature of this practice. 1426 01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,840 So, in a way, it's like his painting speaks 1427 01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,440 to his kind of personal guilt, 1428 01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:11,120 but also speaks to the activism, or the activist, in him as well. 1429 01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,000 With this painting, Turner was compelling people 1430 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,000 to campaign with the abolitionists. 1431 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:24,080 Dr Wilkinson has identified new images concealed in the work 1432 01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:28,480 that speak further to Turner's abhorrence of slavery 1433 01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,000 and his own sense of personal guilt. 1434 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:38,240 The first image that you find in here is a large, quite diffuse one. 1435 01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,600 What you see on the left side, 1436 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:45,000 the storm coming in to overtake the slave traders, 1437 01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,920 is an image of Zeus himself... 1438 01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,800 ..using his trademark thunderbolt. 1439 01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,760 Can you see that image? 1440 01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,400 I can. 1441 01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:04,240 What this painting conveys is how Turner is totally going against 1442 01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,040 what becomes rationalisations for enslavement. 1443 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,000 That it was legal, 1444 01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,040 that somehow it was acceptable. 1445 01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,960 And clearly, for Turner to be painting this, 1446 01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,240 he's really trying to convey that underbelly... 1447 01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,680 ..that is not spoken 1448 01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,960 and really flying in the face of all of the rationalisations 1449 01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,080 and the justifications that continue to this day. 1450 01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:35,920 And it brings, I think, a whole new sort of level... 1451 01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,560 in terms of analysing what's in this painting 1452 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,480 and what messages he was conveying for the times, 1453 01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,560 but also timeless messages. 1454 01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,040 It looks like we've got a god here 1455 01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,960 throwing in thunderbolts at the slave traders. 1456 01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,040 What do you think about that? 1457 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,200 You can see there IS something there. 1458 01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,160 There's something...big, 1459 01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,040 powerful, dramatic, rising out of the sea. 1460 01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,280 But they're only there because you told me. 1461 01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,000 I know there's something there and I can guess... 1462 01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,920 I can see where you're coming from. 1463 01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,200 Turner has put some powerful image there, 1464 01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,160 some monumental image. 1465 01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,760 Whether it's Zeus, I don't fully resolve it. 1466 01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,080 But I can see...essentially intense, 1467 01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,400 the intent of something overbearing about to descend on the ship. 1468 01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,680 But could the figure in the clouds 1469 01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,560 also refer to a famous poem about guilt? 1470 01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:37,520 Samuel Taylor Coleridge's Rime Of The Ancient Mariner. 1471 01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:41,520 It relates how, when a sailor shot an albatross, 1472 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,200 his ship was becalmed... 1473 01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,320 ..idle as a painted ship upon a painted ocean... 1474 01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,360 under a hot and copper sky. 1475 01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,840 The crew died of thirst. 1476 01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,400 Their souls sucked up into a creature in the sky 1477 01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,240 called Life In Death. 1478 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,960 Nick's observations about Turner's use of pareidolia imagery, 1479 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,240 imagery concealed in clouds, or mountains, or sails, 1480 01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:12,200 made me think about The Slave Ship again and look at the clouds. 1481 01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,440 And for the first time, 1482 01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:19,360 I could see a figure in the clouds, hovering above the ship. 1483 01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,920 And that was consistent with two things that the painting references. 1484 01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:29,120 It's consistent, in my view, that there might be a reference 1485 01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,880 to the Ancient Mariner. 1486 01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,000 And when I went back 1487 01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,680 and read that poem through Nick's lens, 1488 01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,360 I indeed could see a lot of imagery in that painting 1489 01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,160 that seemed to relate to the poem as well. 1490 01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,640 And with good cause, 1491 01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,160 because that poem does speak 1492 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,200 to the death of people on board a ship, 1493 01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,480 to their souls, rising... 1494 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,680 this figure Life In Death who sucked up souls towards her. 1495 01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,160 But the title also talks about Typhon... 1496 01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:05,600 ..who is a mythological monster 1497 01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,120 who has a great battle with Zeus. 1498 01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,320 He loved those great sort of mythological battles 1499 01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:13,840 between good and evil. 1500 01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,640 By 1846, Turner meets Sophia Booth, 1501 01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,920 and they take a little cottage in Chelsea. 1502 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,360 This becomes a place that's really Turner's private world, 1503 01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,360 and he's known locally as Admiral Booth or Mr Booth, 1504 01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:41,960 so he's adopted HER surname to really hide from the world 1505 01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,440 and just be the man he wants to be 1506 01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,880 when he's not being The Great Turner. 1507 01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,800 Towards the end of his life, when his health started to decline, 1508 01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,120 he found this house on the river in Chelsea. 1509 01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,320 What he liked about it was it had this secluded terrace 1510 01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,040 where he could paint the sky but not be seen by the public. 1511 01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,880 By this stage, Turner was an absolute wreck of a man. 1512 01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,280 He stank. He was dishevelled. 1513 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:08,760 He was anonymous. 1514 01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,560 People didn't really know who he was. 1515 01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,680 His neighbours didn't really know him. 1516 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,080 They thought he was a sea captain or something. 1517 01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,360 He took her name because he didn't want to be known 1518 01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:22,960 as Turner, the great painter. 1519 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,640 So he called himself "Puggy" 1520 01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,880 cos he's only four foot nothing, as we all know. 1521 01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,240 So when he did sit with the guys 1522 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,880 or the dockers or the sailors, he would say, "I'm Puggy." 1523 01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,720 He was a very secretive man. 1524 01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,080 Turner and Sophia Booth stayed together for the rest of his life. 1525 01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,600 It's a relationship that lasts nearly 20 years, 1526 01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,640 and he actually dies at their cottage in Chelsea in 1851. 1527 01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,880 One of the things I love about Turner 1528 01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,520 is actually he donated all of his paintings, 1529 01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,920 all of his works, to this nation. 1530 01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,920 It's unusual for Turner to have left all his work to the nation, 1531 01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,920 but it was a very clever thing for him to have done. 1532 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,560 Part of the reasons why he has endured, really. 1533 01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,440 It still remains, I think, the biggest single artist bequest 1534 01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:14,600 to a British institution. 1535 01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,800 His legacy is absolutely extraordinary. 1536 01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,720 I think he remains the greatest British painter of all time 1537 01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,080 and his name is still remembered. 1538 01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,560 Think of the Turner Prize, which is still going. 1539 01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,960 The Turner Prize began in 1984 1540 01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:38,000 to celebrate the most compelling contemporary visual art. 1541 01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,520 It's become associated with a kind of radicalism, 1542 01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,600 and Turner himself was associated with a kind of radicalism. 1543 01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,640 It's deliberately named after Turner because many people 1544 01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,320 consider him to be the first modern British painter. 1545 01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,960 Turner invented the idea of the artist 1546 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,520 as someone who challenges, 1547 01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,440 you know, if you wanted to be really radical as an artist now, 1548 01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:03,760 you'd be utterly conventional because no-one else is doing that. 1549 01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,280 Is there a Turner code? 1550 01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,400 Nick is suggesting that some images skip across paintings. 1551 01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,640 Bears...geese. 1552 01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,600 Is that a code? 1553 01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:23,120 Maybe. If it's a code, it's a slightly indistinct code 1554 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,840 in a way that only Turner could provide an indistinct code. 1555 01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,280 I think he's keeping us guessing. 1556 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,280 ERICA: The Turner code signifies an enhanced way 1557 01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,240 of looking at and analysing Turner's paintings. 1558 01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,720 NICK: First of all, the fairly high intensity recurrence 1559 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,800 of personal emblems - the bear's head 1560 01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:49,600 and a floating head with a large nose, almost caricature like. 1561 01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,760 And we find this recurring across paintings. 1562 01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,600 Do you think that there could be a Turner code? 1563 01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,880 It could be. 1564 01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,120 It could be... because he was a genius. 1565 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,280 I'm not denying that there are other narratives 1566 01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,480 going on in some of these paintings. You can see that. 1567 01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,000 Where you have these images appearing 1568 01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,800 and they're enigmatic and fugitive. 1569 01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,040 You know, he painted these things for a reason 1570 01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,080 and I can see that you are hunting after those reasons. 1571 01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:27,080 Once you realise he's got this ability to paint miniatures, 1572 01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,000 you will find about 200 of them. 1573 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,440 The curators have been looking at these pictures 1574 01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:36,360 for a couple of hundred years and haven't actually spotted it. 1575 01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,240 Neither have the public. But it's an addition. 1576 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,360 Is not a criticism that people haven't seen it before. 1577 01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:46,200 They haven't had the machinery to see it before. 1578 01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:50,120 It's hard to be sure that Turner would have intended people 1579 01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,560 to have seen them, because I think some of them are so vague. 1580 01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,200 It's also not impossible that he would have left 1581 01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,280 a trail of clues in his work. 1582 01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,120 I think, as we begin to look again at these works 1583 01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,400 with Nick's images in mind, I'm sure we'll come up with 1584 01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:07,280 some slightly different interpretations. 1585 01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,000 Or perhaps there will be a degree of incredulity. 1586 01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,200 I don't know. We'll need to see how the things pan out. 1587 01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:17,200 I think, if people are being encouraged to look again, 1588 01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,400 look more closely at Turner... 1589 01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,960 ..see things that perhaps they haven't been seen before, 1590 01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,160 then clearly there will be an interest 1591 01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,960 to come and view this great work. 1592 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,240 Some of them I can see, and some of them I can't see. 1593 01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,280 I find the idea that Turner would include... 1594 01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,120 ..little secret images and symbols... 1595 01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,600 in a certain hidden graphic language... 1596 01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,960 I don't find that totally surprising at all 1597 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,640 because I think he was a man with secret meanings. 1598 01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,760 I think that the way that you're looking 1599 01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,680 and thinking about Turner's work, 1600 01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,880 whether those images are in there or not, 1601 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,800 is the way that I think we should look at art. 1602 01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,480 And I think it's the way artists want us to look at art, 1603 01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,520 because I think it's about, you know, 1604 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,200 trying to find the clues and trying to find 1605 01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,680 what's in the painting, what's in the image. 1606 01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,400 And, of course, you can bring scholarship and knowledge 1607 01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:09,480 and all of these other disciplines to it, 1608 01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,720 but you should always return to the painting. 1609 01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,120 And if these things are starting to come out, 1610 01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,960 I also don't think it's a leap of the imagination 1611 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,600 to imagine that Turner would be 1612 01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,720 playing with all these different codes. 1613 01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,360 Well, I've made the leap, 1614 01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,680 and it's taken 200 years to get there on a lot of this, 1615 01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,840 so we'll see how it's received. 1616 01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,520 AccessibleCustomerService@sky.uk 125374

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