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Joseph Mallord William Turner
is regarded as one of
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the most original and influential
British artists of all time.
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His work was transformative.
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It shocked the Victorians
and paved the way for modern art.
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170 years after his death,
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Turner's influence
is still apparent today.
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MAN: His art was absolutely
transcendental
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and almost spiritual.
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NICK: He was the nation's
greatest landscape artist.
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But there's more to him.
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There's another layer there.
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He is a cryptic artist.
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ERICA: We have now found
hidden images that are electrifying.
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Despite having been viewed
by millions of people,
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previously unnoticed,
complex images
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painted with precision
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that have been overlooked
for 170 years
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have been found hidden
within the paint strokes
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of Turner's greatest works.
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Throughout a number of
the paintings, we found that,
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astonishingly, a bear appears
time and time again.
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And we've come to the conclusion
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that Turner represents himself
as a bear.
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There's this white flag
of Turner's emblem,
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which is a bear's head
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with a high collar
of the kind Turner wore.
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But there are other narratives
within this painting
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that relate to Nelson
trashing Napoleon's fleet.
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He painted the head of a goose,
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and we found this
in more than one Turner work.
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He's saying steam
is the golden goose of the future.
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It is going to produce
great wealth.
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Turner was a very tormented,
brilliant man.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all
that there are secret meanings,
codes, emblems.
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I've seen some of my own.
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Turner, he was a genius.
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Nick is giving
so many other layers of meaning.
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Oh! That is... Oh, my God.
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That is... What the...?
Sorry, I don't want to swear.
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Can you see a face,
a man's head, here?
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I'm going to say it looks more like
a chicken, actually, Nick, but...
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That looks like genitalia to me.
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(BOTH LAUGH)
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Once you see it, you can't unsee it.
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It's this amazing
kind of moment of...
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..of decoding.
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These groundbreaking discoveries
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are the result
of five years' extensive research
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and cast new light on Turner's
most famous paintings.
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It began with the purchase
of a painting.
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Within that painting,
we found some hidden images.
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And because of that, we looked
across to some works by Turner.
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And there, looking out
of the painting at me...
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..was Turner.
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Unbelievable.
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This is significant because there
is only one known self-portrait
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by Turner in oils,
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and we've found
a lot more smaller ones.
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We're very certain
that these are Turner himself.
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When I found one or two...
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quite large and impressive images,
I had to go and lie down.
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I hadn't experienced
anything like that.
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ERICA: There is a history of artists
hiding things in paintings.
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They've been doing it for centuries.
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There's Giotto,
who hid a devil in clouds...
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..Michelangelo, who outlined
a brain in the Sistine Chapel...
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..and Gainsborough
even hid genitalia.
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And these are becoming
increasingly researched now.
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But what we found in Turner,
nobody has ever discovered before.
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NICK: But it isn't
just about images.
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It's about really
the life and times of Turner...
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..expressed by him in paint.
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These hidden images
reveal new narratives
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where none has previously existed
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and have the potential
to rewrite the history
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of Britain's greatest painter.
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This will very definitely change the
way that we engage with his work.
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And in at least four paintings,
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we have a complete reinterpretation
of that painting.
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There are multiple instances
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of the same image
appearing across paintings.
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It's hugely significant.
We're in new territory here.
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Born in 1775,
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Turner is famed as Britain's painter
of land, sea and light.
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But Dr Nicholas Wilkinson
and his wife Erica
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think there is far more
to Turner's work -
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if you look at it in a new way...
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closely.
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ERICA: Nick has a doctorate
in physical chemistry,
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working on the molecular level,
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and this requires
three-dimensional visualisation.
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And that is how this relates
to his work on Turner.
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He sometimes has been obsessed.
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At home, there'll be computer
screens with an image of Turner.
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There'll be an iPad
with an image of Turner.
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Then he'll be sitting with his
iPhone with an image of Turner.
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And he was always blowing them up,
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reducing them and rotating them.
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We've had to keep this secret for...
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..five years,
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so it has been incredibly difficult.
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I worked in science for 15 years,
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but then we bought a painting.
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When I first looked at
this marine painting,
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there was a face looking out at me,
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a hidden anamorphic image,
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and I was quite shocked by that.
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I found it to be quite disquieting
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cos we were dealing with
such a famous artist.
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The Turner code
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started to emerge
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when I'd looked at 30 or 40
of his paintings
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and found new narratives and
recurrence between those paintings.
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There were definite themes
that started to occur
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that were not known
in Turner scholarship.
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First of all, his titles
are complicated and cryptic.
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They are a bit like the satirical
print titles of the time,
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which are in two or more parts.
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And part of that title is cryptic
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and it tells you
what to find in the painting.
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The second part of the code
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is anamorphic elements
in the painting
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to tell the narratives.
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And those anamorphic elements
are twofold.
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They are pareidolic.
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That means
taking something inanimate
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and turning it into
something animate.
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Or anthropomorphic,
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which means taking multiple elements
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and combining them
into a single hidden image.
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I think you need a fresh eye
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to see Turner in the way
that Nick has discovered him.
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I was a trained art historian
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and I didn't believe at first
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that Turner would do
something like this.
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But then the more I read
about his personality,
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I realised that would have been
entirely in keeping
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with the kind of person that he was.
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It appears
that he definitely wanted
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these hidden images to be found,
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but he camouflaged them so skilfully
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that they haven't been found
for nearly 200 years.
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What we would very much like to do
is to show these hidden images
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and all our theories to art experts.
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We'd like to get their reactions.
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In 1838, Turner painted
The Fighting Temeraire,
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showing an old battleship
being towed to be broken up.
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The ship had been part
of Lord Nelson's fleet
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at the Battle Of Trafalgar.
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Turner never sold the painting,
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which he called "my darling".
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Turner had grown up...
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as a boy,
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looking at these great ships
of the Napoleonic wars.
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You know, the heroic time of Nelson
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and, you know, Waterloo.
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In this picture, he's actually
painting the end of it all.
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This tug is pulling,
with steam power,
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the great sail ship of the past.
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And people who wrote
about the picture
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commented on how this squat,
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ugly, black, dark,
little horrible tug
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was pulling
this graceful, beautiful
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emblem of Britain's
glorious maritime past
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to destruction.
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Yet, at the same time,
I think Turner's not
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entirely lamenting it
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because, for me, Turner's
identifying himself with that tug.
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You know, Turner wore
this black top hat.
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He was a diminutive man.
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So the tug, for me, IS Turner,
and the tug represents
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modern vision as well as
the modern age of steam.
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So it's complicated, it's a lament,
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but it's also Turner saying,
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"If I had to choose my own side,
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my side is the modern."
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Dr Wilkinson wants to see
if he can convince
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one of Britain's
leading art historians
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that there is even more to the work
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than initially meets the eye.
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There is a strange image
on the left-hand side
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of The Fighting Temeraire...
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..and if you look at it carefully,
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it appears as a screaming head...
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with a high collar...coat on
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and it's impaled from above
by a wooden stake.
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And we propose that is Napoleon.
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That's great. So it's a bit like
Francis Bacon's screaming Pope,
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except it's a screaming Napoleon.
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To be fair, I CAN see
a shape like a cocked hat,
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and I can see where you would see
a sort of...
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I suppose it's almost like
Munch's Scream.
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What is it actually
in the illusion of the painting?
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It is a gun port.
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There are three gun ports.
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Two are his eyes and the other
is his screaming mouth.
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Right.
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He's created something
from those elements.
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In your interpretation,
I presume that would be a reference
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to The Fighting Temeraire's role
in the Battle Of Trafalgar.
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This is the ship that speared
Napoleon for once and for all.
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Absolutely. The British tactic
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was to fire into the hull
of the French ships,
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cause massive splinters
that disabled the crew.
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So, they actually speared
by great pieces of wood?
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They were speared
by big pieces of wood.
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Look at the top.
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Ships attached their prize to their
side and then sold it to market.
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So, this is a metaphorical prize
of Napoleon's head.
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I suppose, in a sense,
it's Napoleon's head on a stick.
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Wellington had a statue of Napoleon
placed in Apsley House.
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Wellington wanted Napoleon in
his house because he was his prize.
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"I am the man
who defeated Napoleon."
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It's the same thought.
Whether you see it or not.
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And people can choose
whether they agree
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with your anthropomorphic reading
of these things,
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and whether their eyes
are the same as your eyes.
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At least in the case
of this interpretation,
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it's not as if it's overturning
the meaning of the picture.
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Or it's not as if it's giving it
some kind of mad twist.
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It's actually reinforcing what
we know Turner probably thought.
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It's another layer
within the painting.
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But will other Turner enthusiasts
also concede
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that one of the world's
most famous paintings
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might have a screaming, defeated
Napoleon hiding in plain sight?
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On the side of the Temeraire...
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he's created...
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a head and shoulders.
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No... Surely he hasn't. Not on...
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Not on this famous,
most-loved painting?
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First of all, can you see...
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..that this is a screaming head,
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like Edvard Munch? Aaahh.
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Right...
Years before Ed Munch.
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Where's the mouth?
His mouth is here.
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The eye is here.
Yeah.
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The admiral's hat is...
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The golden braid
is on top of his head.
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He has...
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a big collar and shoulder here,
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and he's pinned to the side
of the Temeraire.
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Gee!
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Wow.
In fact...
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it is...
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we propose, Napoleon.
Can you see it?
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Of course.
(CHUCKLES)
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Wow. I think I need to have a drink
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cos that is just absolutely mad.
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If you look at the ยฃ20 note
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and you will see
Napoleon's head screaming
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on the side of the Temeraire.
I just can't believe that.
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I can't believe
that's not been seen before...
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because it's there
but visible and invisible.
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I like that expression.
It is both.
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It is both. Yes.
It's deliberately invisible.
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Yeah, but...
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But there is a challenge
for the nation
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to go find his hidden images.
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On the left-hand side,
beyond topographical form,
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created from...
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A sort of skull.
..the angle,
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there's a sort of skull.
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Yes. Yes.
I can see a sort of skull.
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He's got a high collar coat on...
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Yeah.
..with a shoulder.
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I can...
I can see what you're getting at.
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It even has a circular form
on the hat here.
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I'm gonna suggest to you
that that's a cockade...
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..and that cockade is an emblem
of the French Revolution.
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It's very interesting.
Once you see the shapes,
you CAN see them. But...
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Yeah.
I mean, whether...
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whether that's what that is,
I'm not sure,
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but I can see what you're saying.
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You may never wipe that
from your mind.No.
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We suggest this is...
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..Napoleon impaled to the side
of the Temeraire.
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He was a prize of the Temeraire.
Can you see it?
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Yeah...
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It could be a unicorn, you know.
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(LAUGHS) I think it's a unicorn.
284
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I'm not sure if it's...
Napoleon impaled.
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I can imagine he'd, like...
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enjoy the secretness of it all
and the fun of it all
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if he DID, you know,
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if he did imbue these paintings
with hidden symbolism.
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Yeah.But do you think
that was very much of the time,
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that's what people were doing
generally?
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No. Just Turner.
Just Turner.
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You look at others,
there is nothing there.OK.
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What would you say about that image
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in our proposal that it's Napoleon?
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The first thing
I would observe is that...
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the bow of the ship
makes his hat.
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And what I'd always thought
about this painting
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is that the perspective of the ship
coming towards the viewer
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is a little odd.
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The fact that it is concealing
an image of Napoleon
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would explain that...
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that Turner might have
adapted the perspective
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in order to accommodate
this hidden face.
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It appears to be a sort of
three-dimensional...
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..entity on the side of the boat,
screaming in agony.
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Can you see that at all?
307
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No, I can't see that.
I really can't.
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I mean, you know, I understand
why Napoleon might be...
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..associated.
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The story's kind of...there.
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It's imminent all the time
in that painting.
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I don't see why you would
then put more...
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more into it, more information.
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I don't think it needs it.
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I think it's a simple story
well told.
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The Freudian theory was that you
may try to repress something,
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but it will come out somewhere else
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because of strong,
unconscious impulses.
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It will come out in art.
It will come out in your dreams.
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It may come out
in the slip of a tongue
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in the middle of a conversation.
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So if Turner is hiding something
and has got a secret code
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and trying to send
an underhand message to the world,
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the deeper psychological question
psychologists would ask
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is "What's his motivation?"
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So, one reason why people
sometimes embed codes,
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or send signals in a hidden way,
is a mischievousness,
328
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a playfulness,
and a kind of showing off.
329
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And if Turner had a strong sense
of superiority over other people,
330
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he may be showing off
if he tries to hide codes.
331
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JMW Turner was indeed
a well known show-off.
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Every year at the opening
of the Royal Academy Exhibition,
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crowds watched him
add finishing touches
334
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that transformed his paintings.
335
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Turner was famous for turning up
and making changes that...
336
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..would seem to put
the artists around him,
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and their paintings, down,
and make his picture pop up.
338
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So he's hugely, hugely competitive.
339
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I mean, Turner's personality
is a very strange one
340
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because on the one hand,
he was crude, he was rude,
341
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he was dishevelled, he was kind of
a complete mess of a man.
342
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He was also an extremely intelligent
and well-read man.
343
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He was aware of modern science
and technology.
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He read philosophy.
345
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He composed his own poems.
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He understood a great deal
about history,
347
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and he cared deeply
about his own legacy.
348
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And he wanted his pictures
to be shown together,
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exhibited together,
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as part of his own legacy,
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to be rooted in British history
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in the way that his paintings
depicted British history.
353
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After extensive research,
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the Wilkinsons have concluded that,
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through a series
of concealed images,
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Turner represented himself
as a bear.
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If you look, he's resurrected
all the masts on the Temeraire,
358
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but put no flags on them.
359
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But he's put this very prominent
white flag
360
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on the mast of the tugboat.
361
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What do you see in the flag?
362
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The flag is his emblem,
the bear's head.
363
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And that bear's head
is looking down at the Temeraire.
364
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You would see ears in the top
left corner of the flag
365
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and you'd see the bear's snout
in the bottom left corner.
366
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Yeah.
Yeah.
367
00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:28,000
I mean, I have to...
To me, I can see an animal,
368
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,400
but that's the thing
about drapery in painting.
369
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,080
Yeah.
But I'm gonna, you know,
370
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if it sort of reinforces my idea
that the tug was Turner,
371
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then, of course, I'm interested.
372
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Within the Temeraire,
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the only flag flying
is on the tugboat.
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It's a white flag.
375
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But when you look at it...
what he has done...
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It seems completely
the head of a bear.
377
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,480
It's the head of a bear.
This one is incredible.
378
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,360
Are you able to see that?
379
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The question is,
are we looking at something
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that Turner intended us
to look at,
381
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,360
or is this something that is
by chance
382
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which creates this shape?
I'm not sure.
383
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Why is Turner
sending these messages?
384
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What's going on?
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Cos a Freudian theory would be
that he's repressed in some sense
386
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or society is repressing him
387
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and he has to get a way
of getting a message out.
388
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To send a code,
you're hiding it from someone
389
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and you want other people to see it.
390
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,600
One of the issues for Turner
had started early in his life
391
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when he was the president of
Perspective at the Royal Academy.
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He presented lectures there and...
he was derided for that,
393
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,600
because his verbal style
was not comprehensible.
394
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,000
And people joked at his expense
about that, unfortunately.
395
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I'd suggest he is
recording in paint...
396
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..the narrative of his life
through a series of paintings.
397
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But why do it in a coded way?
398
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Maybe it's a sort of
parlour game approach.
399
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,200
The parlour game was something
in the early Victorian period
400
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,040
for people to find hidden images,
401
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to give them little clues
as to what it might be...
402
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,080
..and to give them an additional
level of looking at his work.
403
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,120
That painting
is beautiful enough as it is.
404
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,520
He doesn't have to put
a coded message in.
405
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,560
Once he starts doing that,
406
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,320
it begins to distract
from the beauty of that painting.
407
00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:32,600
You don't need a coded message.
408
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,720
If anything, the fact
there's a coded message in there
409
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:39,000
begins to detract
or distract the viewer
410
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,320
from the appreciation
of that painting.
411
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:45,800
That being so, if you don't know
there's a coded message there,
412
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,520
it is of no consequence.
413
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,600
OK. That's a very,
very interesting counterargument.
414
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,240
When Nick first said,
"Can you see a bear here?"
415
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I said, "Yeah, but so what?
Yeah, it looks like a bear.
416
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,640
But prove to me
it's intended as a bear."
417
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:09,840
And only by looking extensively
across several paintings,
418
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,200
has Nick been able
to build up an argument
419
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:17,040
that has convinced me...
to quite a sufficient degree.
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ERICA: We found out that the bear
is the Venetian painter Titian's
421
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personal device,
which was illustrated
422
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,280
in the most wonderful cartouche,
423
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,520
a lovely she-bear.
424
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,040
And between her front paws
there is a lumpen block.
425
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She is about to lick this block
into shape
426
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,480
to reveal a bear cub.
427
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:49,800
And the idea is that this
has a direct parallel
428
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to the activity of artists.
429
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:59,240
Titian was regarded
as the great colourist...
430
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,960
..and Turner saw himself
as Titian's heir.
431
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,240
Therefore, there is a good reason
432
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for him choosing the bear
as his personal emblem.
433
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,880
Dr Wilkinson believes that
434
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Turner concealed
other controversial images
435
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,880
within The Fighting Temeraire.
436
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,440
The yellow and orange shape
at the end of the dirty plume
437
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,640
is actually a goose's head
looking down the plume.
438
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,760
It is an eye and a breathing hole.
439
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,920
That's how you can identify it.
440
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,560
And he's portraying steam as
the golden goose of the future age.
441
00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:41,360
I can't see the goose.
OK.
442
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,840
I don't see this.
443
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,200
This is like one of those Magic Eye
things that I just can't see.
444
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,920
I'm afraid I'm not convinced
by the goose in the smoke.
445
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,800
OK.
446
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:57,080
Now I'm going to show you
the head of a goose.
447
00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,800
It could be a face of many animals.
448
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,320
Yeah.
Actually.
449
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,600
But I'm thinking that
could also be...
450
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,920
For me, I can't stop seeing...
451
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,200
Sorry.
452
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,480
But...a pig.
453
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,320
(CHUCKLES GOOFILY)
454
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,960
TIM: I can see something that
could be interpreted like that.
455
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,160
Hmm.
But I'm going to say...
456
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,640
..I think it would change the whole
nature of the painting to do that.
457
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,480
Yeah.
Because he's a...
458
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,520
He's also an observational painter.
459
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,120
He's painting real things.
460
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:38,200
And why would he want
to jeopardise that,
461
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,080
you know,
powerful impression of reality.
462
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:45,880
I'm so curious
about this gigantic goose
463
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,160
kind of dominating everything.
464
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,440
I wonder what that tells us
about Turner himself
465
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,360
and why he chose these images.
466
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:57,760
ERICA: We could see geese heads
time and time again,
467
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:02,040
so we came to the conclusion
this was a reference
468
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,280
to steam that was regarded
469
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,400
as the golden goose
of the nation's wealth.
470
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,240
A number of history's
most famous paintings
471
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,880
contain extraordinary secrets
472
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,640
that are still being uncovered
centuries after their completion.
473
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,080
I think it's wonderful,
this new kind of hobby
474
00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:29,920
that seems to be sweeping the world,
475
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,800
which is people finding
secret symbols in paintings.
476
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560
One of the great British painters
of the 18th century
477
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,160
was Thomas Gainsborough,
478
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,120
and one of his
most famous paintings -
479
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,760
it's one of the most popular
paintings in Britain -
480
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,000
is Mr And Mrs Andrews,
which is in the National Gallery.
481
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,240
People have loved this painting
for centuries,
482
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,320
but they hadn't really noticed that
at the very centre of the painting,
483
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,880
on Mrs Andrews' lap,
484
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,880
Gainsborough had actually drawn
a squiggle of a penis,
485
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:57,800
perhaps to get back at the couple.
486
00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,520
We know that he
didn't finish the painting
487
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,080
because the relationship
with the patrons broke down,
488
00:27:02,120 --> 00:27:04,120
and so perhaps
he was getting revenge
489
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,040
on Mr or Mrs Andrews by doing that.
490
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,080
(LAUGHS) There's a far more
prominent male member
491
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,480
in Gainsborough's portrait
of Countess Howe in Kenwood.
492
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,640
And if you read
Gainsborough's letters,
493
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,720
why should anyone
be surprised about this?
494
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:18,880
He's constantly writing,
in his letters -
495
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,520
and indeed I think in his diary -
about how aroused he becomes.
496
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,920
Why should we be surprised?
497
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,120
One of the earliest instances
of Turner using hidden imagery
498
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:40,640
is in his 1829 painting
Ulysses Deriding Polyphemus...
499
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,560
and the clue is in the title.
500
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,400
It describes
the classical hero Ulysses,
501
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,960
taunting a giant Cyclops
called Polyphemus,
502
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,040
from which he has escaped.
503
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,800
And though we can see Ulysses
on his ship,
504
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,560
Polyphemus is harder to spot
505
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,680
because he is made out of clouds.
506
00:28:01,120 --> 00:28:06,000
In this painting,
there are some known hidden images.
507
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,840
There's the title, which is
Polyphemus up in the clouds.
508
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,360
Have you seen that before?
509
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,400
Yes. Polyphemus is
relatively easy to see.
510
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,240
I think there are
the horses in the sun,
511
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,600
which are also fairly easy to see.
512
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,720
But you'd miss them
if you stayed at...
513
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,000
if you stayed at a distance of six
to eight feet from the painting,
514
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,240
which is - for a picture like this -
classically the correct distance.
515
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,840
So it's...
Perhaps it's one of Turner's ways
516
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,360
of making you walk into his sun,
having those horses there.
517
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,720
So there are other images as well.
518
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,720
The flag
halfway up the flagpole there.
519
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,560
Are you aware that there is
a Trojan horse on wheels
520
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,480
sitting in the flag...
521
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:52,800
and then, behind, there are
buildings that are on fire?
522
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,280
But, yes, I do see what you mean.
523
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Yeah.
And I'm absolutely
524
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,040
prepared to accept the possibility
that that might be there
525
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,960
because, you know,
something like a flag for Turner
526
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,280
is an opportunity
for these little graphic finesses.
527
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,360
Turner had this compulsive need
to put graffiti everywhere.
528
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,440
So that all over his paintings,
529
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,560
you find these sort of
secret messages and things
530
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:15,640
that are scurrying
almost half out of sight.
531
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240
So, you know, absolutely,
I'm happy to see a Trojan horse.
532
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,040
I CAN see a Trojan horse
on wheels now.
533
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,920
Great. Lovely.
534
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,200
Finally, at the very top
of the mast there
535
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,600
is a bear's head
with a bridle on it.
536
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:33,680
His ear is attached to the mast,
and he's looking out right,
537
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,280
looking forward
in the direction of the ship.
538
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,400
Written on that...
539
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600
..it's the word U-L-Y, "Uly".
540
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,720
Maybe you can see it. Uly.
541
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,440
So he's painted Ulysses...
542
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,960
..as a bear on the mast head.
543
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,600
I would suggest to you
that he saw himself
544
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,080
as a journeying Ulysses.
545
00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Why would Ulysses be
in the shape of a bear?
546
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,560
Is that because the bear
is Turner's own emblem
547
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,560
that he borrows from Titian?
548
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,120
In your personal mythology
of Turner, how does that work?
549
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,720
Correct. The bear's head
is Turner's self emblem.
550
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200
It appears in many paintings.
551
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,520
I'm not sure about the bear's head,
but essentially,
552
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,240
I don't disagree with your idea
553
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,080
of Turner identifying himself
with Ulysses...
554
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,680
..the endless, restless traveller
555
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,400
who finds it so hard to settle
556
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,400
and whose life
is knocked awry
557
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,280
but his destiny
leads him always onwards.
558
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,320
Actually, Turner is part
of the ship, heading onwards.
559
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,760
If you look at the sail form.
560
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,840
It's got a big hooked nose
on the right-hand side.
561
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,960
And then there's an eye there
in the sail form -
562
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,000
and he uses sails as images -
563
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,240
is Turner's head surging forward.
564
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,240
Well, I must say,
if you're gonna...
565
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,520
The thing is,
for this kind of transformation
566
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320
of something abstract
into an actual image,
567
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,520
you do have a very good precedent
in Leonardo da Vinci,
568
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,680
who says, you know,
"Look at the stains on a wall.
569
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,840
Look at the clouds in the sky.
Look at the drapery.
570
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,960
And if you see a shape in it,
make it the basis for a painting."
571
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,880
So this idea of seeing shapes
in clouds or in sail cloth
572
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,640
or in, you know, a bit of sea...
573
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,400
..Leonardo da Vinci said
that's what artists do.
574
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,840
The Wilkinsons' research
has taken them across the UK.
575
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,800
But there is one place overseas
that was special to Turner.
576
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,200
Venice.
577
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,720
He arrived here.
He was doing the Grand Tour.
578
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,960
He was always travelling.
He was a person very curious.
579
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,000
Turner, like so many British people,
was just obsessed with Italy.
580
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,760
It was the "golden ticket" for him.
581
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,280
He drew thousands of sketches
when he was in Italy.
582
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,920
He made hundreds of paintings
inspired by Italy.
583
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,440
And I think Italy -
and Venice in particular -
584
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,560
fundamentally transformed his art.
585
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,440
I think that
was what propelled him
586
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,320
into this journey towards
an art of light and colour.
587
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,160
Then he started
to understand the light
588
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,760
and the way of painting
of Titian and Tintoretto.
589
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,480
Dr Wilkinson is visiting some of
the sites Turner would have seen...
590
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,680
..viewing frescoes
by Venetian Renaissance artists
591
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:47,240
Titian and Tintoretto,
that Turner sketched.
592
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,760
And even the street
Tintoretto lived in...
593
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,000
..defined by its turbaned statues.
594
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,800
And the Palazzo del Cammello,
or Camel House, where he lived.
595
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,640
It's no surprise
that Venice is the setting
596
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,720
for one of Turner's
most cryptic paintings.
597
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,240
Exhibited in 1833,
598
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,840
it shows Venice
as the city of canals,
599
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,360
with its famous Bridge Of Sighs,
600
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,800
Ducal Palace and Custom House.
601
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,000
It also features an artist.
602
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,080
The traditional interpretation
603
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,960
is that this is the 17th-century
Venetian painter Antonio Canal,
604
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,320
known by his nickname "Canaletto",
which means "son of Canal".
605
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:45,080
But Turner's cryptic title
is not "Canaletto",
606
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,920
but "Canaletti".
607
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,040
FRANNY: Titles are really important
in Turner's work.
608
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,120
When he entitles
one of his paintings "Canaletti"
609
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,360
rather than "Canaletto",
610
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,720
I think Nick is right to think
611
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,720
this may be an invitation
612
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,120
to consider the work
as something of a riddle.
613
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,120
I think there is a clue
in that title
614
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,680
by using an Italian plural.
615
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,120
NICK: His title is cryptic.
"Canaletti Painting"
616
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,640
suggests to me "sons"
617
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,040
and it suggests to me
"sons of Canal".
618
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,960
To me, "sons of Canal"
means "the sons of Venice",
619
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,760
because Venice is canal.
620
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,840
And what you find
in this painting -
621
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,480
I am going to propose to you,
and I welcome your thoughts -
622
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:41,840
that he has taken this painting
and painted in the sons of Venice.
623
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,640
Wow.
All right?
624
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,520
So we have great famous
Venetian people in here.
625
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:52,040
I think there's a son of Venice
represented here in general
626
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,600
by the sublime painting
of the buildings.
627
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,960
If you look at the painting
as a whole,
628
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,000
the top two thirds
is of a Canaletto-style painting.
629
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:06,760
It rivals Canaletto.
Yeah.
630
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,360
And he's, in a way,
631
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,960
competed with Canaletto
by presenting this,
632
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,320
but has paid homage to him
as a son of Venice
633
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:18,000
in the nature of the painting of
the buildings in the background.
634
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,520
I would put this proposal to you
635
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,920
that the artist
painting at the easel,
636
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,920
it isn't Canaletto painting.
637
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,240
This is actually Titian painting.
638
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,440
He's wearing a Titian-red coat.
Yes.
639
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:39,040
You look and it is known that
this painting is amazingly framed.
640
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040
Yeah.
Right? With a guild frame.
641
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,240
And the actual painting image
that looks out at you
642
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,960
is a bear.
Two eyes.
643
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,880
Two eyes and a muzzle is a bear.
644
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:55,080
Now, the bear was Titian's emblem.
645
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,680
Beneath Titian,
reflected in the water,
646
00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,360
is a caricature image,
647
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640
self-image of Turner.
648
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Turner is looking
at the painting of the bear.
649
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,800
Oh, with a big nose.
With a big nose.
650
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,000
And the head. Here is the eye.
Yeah.
651
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,960
This is opening a completely...
another point of view
652
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,280
of look into the Turner paintings.
Yes.
653
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,360
There are things
that I never thought.
654
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,000
No, there are clever, hidden things,
655
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,640
but they have
symbolic meaning to Turner,
656
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,960
and he wants to convey them
657
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,920
to the readership,
the audience, as well.
658
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,360
Through different anamorphic images,
659
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,800
he creates interest in the painting.
660
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,720
But he never gave it away
in his lifetime.
661
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,080
He never said it?
No, he didn't let people
662
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,640
see him painting.
663
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,040
Probably because he was
doing some of this.
664
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,160
This is quite powerful.
665
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:55,760
When you look
at all these cloths here,
666
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,360
piled up on the boats
in the middle of the painting,
667
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,800
there are three heads there.
668
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:05,760
And in the middle of them...
669
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,680
is an animal's head.
670
00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:10,200
The dark head is a camel's head.
671
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,320
And then we have
three Moorish heads.
672
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Right?
Ahh.
673
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,560
So there is a meaning
of the three Moors
674
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
that are near the house
of Tintoretto?
675
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,480
Yeah. That is a locational
representation of Tintoretto,
676
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,120
cos that's where he worked.
677
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Let me show you
this unusual front of a boat here.
678
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,000
You see that shape
679
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,600
and you ask yourself,
"What is he doing there?"
680
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,720
My proposal to you
681
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:46,120
is that that is a representation
of Vivaldi.
682
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:50,360
And here we have
a red cello with a neck,
683
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,720
and he even has tuning plugs on it.
684
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,720
Can you see?
Completely.
685
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,720
Yeah? So my proposal to you...
You agree with that?
686
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,480
You've never seen that before.
No, I never know this.
687
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:06,120
So, Canaletti in the sense
of the sons of Venice.
688
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,840
Yes.
So it's not only one?
689
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,440
No, there are multiple.
690
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,600
The painting features
Venice's prison,
691
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,360
known as "The Leads",
692
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:19,800
from which the famous Venetian
lothario Casanova once escaped.
693
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,800
And Dr Wilkinson thinks Turner
694
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,040
may have referred
to this event, too.
695
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,480
But now we go on to another one,
another type.
696
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,000
And this is Casanova.
697
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:37,880
And here, Casanova
escaping from The Leads.
698
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,360
He climbed down from the prison.
699
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:41,640
Yes.
Yeah?
700
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:46,880
And he was met by a gondola
that whisked him away.
701
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,840
Here is Casanova
sitting, smiling in the gondola
702
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:52,400
with his feet up.
703
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Oh, fantastic.
704
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:00,680
I think the other invitation to
consider the painting as a riddle
705
00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:03,960
is something that academics
have always picked up on
706
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,440
and never really cracked,
which is...
707
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:11,280
..you can see an artist
to the left of the canvas,
708
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,560
painting at an easel,
but he's painting...
709
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:16,920
a painting that's already framed,
710
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,160
which of course,
no artist ever does.
711
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,840
They may paint
a bare canvas unframed.
712
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,400
And so I think this
instantly is asking us
713
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,000
to look at the whole painting
714
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,080
as a riddle about painters.
715
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,520
If Turner has called a painting
after Canaletto,
716
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,520
why would he NOT depict Canaletto?
717
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,800
Why would the main figure
be Titian?
718
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,600
Scientists have taught us
to be sceptical.
719
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,160
To the right
is a caricature image...
720
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,040
..in profile, of a man's head.
721
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,440
That looks like genitalia to me.
722
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:54,040
(BOTH LAUGH)
723
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,960
That's not a credible man.
(LAUGHS)
724
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,000
With a humongous nose.
725
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,920
Sorry, I'm not mocking you, but...
726
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,920
He could be a cartoon man.
He could be a cartoon man.
727
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,280
But why would Turner
paint a cartoon man?
728
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Mm.
I don't know.
729
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,160
This was the golden age
of English caricature.
730
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,600
Mm. I just think he would be
a bit more virtuoso about it
731
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,840
if he was going to do that.
732
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,040
You know, that doesn't
feel like a credible head.
733
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,720
But that's ME.
Everybody's subjective, I think,
734
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,000
and you will see
something different than I do.
735
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,080
Nick's thesis
736
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,040
is that some of Turner's
references to popular culture,
737
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,160
to pantomime, to caricature,
738
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,080
things that are a kind of litter,
references do occur
739
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,600
and he just had that tendency
740
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,600
to try and put a bit of everything
in a work.
741
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,720
You don't often spot the litter.
742
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,200
Often you have to look quite hard
for it, but it'll be there.
743
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:57,720
Early on, Turner is doing
a lot of work with printmakers,
744
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,080
both in terms of
the reproduction of his own work
745
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,520
and in terms...in his earlier youth,
746
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,440
of learning from people
who are in the print trade.
747
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,280
Seems to me entirely natural
748
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,000
that Turner would know
his print trade inside out
749
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:18,920
and that an awareness of caricature
would be a part of that.
750
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,360
One of the most exciting
innovations, I think,
751
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,720
that the satirists pioneered was
their use of quite surreal imagery.
752
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,960
They loved hiding images
within other images.
753
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,120
Or they loved hiding characters
within particular shapes.
754
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,160
That's what's fun
about these images -
755
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,280
at one glance you think
you've worked it out already,
756
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,280
and then you look
a little bit closer
757
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,080
and there's this peculiar, bizarre
image that you're looking at.
758
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,760
I think it's exciting
that we're looking at Turner
759
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,240
in light of these caricatures.
760
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,000
As you move into the 1830s, 1840s,
761
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,400
to the final couple of decades
of his life,
762
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,640
he develops what we call
his late style.
763
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,880
And in that late style,
764
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,720
the paintings become
more and more indistinct.
765
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,920
The figures and the forms
begin to dissolve
766
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:07,680
and everything becomes dominated
767
00:42:07,720 --> 00:42:12,200
by this...diaphanous
sheets of colour and light.
768
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,960
His work evolves constantly
769
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,160
and it just becomes
richer and richer.
770
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,000
He becomes very interested
in a concept called the sublime,
771
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,880
which is the opposite of beauty.
772
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:29,440
It's when you see something
that terrifies you
and you quite enjoy that.
773
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,280
This is a sort of way for him
774
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,800
to start pushing away
from visual accuracy
775
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,480
into something new
and something different.
776
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,120
CORNELIA: Turner was
way ahead of his time,
777
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,000
and his late work
was very impressionistic.
778
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:47,480
Monet and all the Impressionists
looked to him
779
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,840
and had been in London
and looked at the work.
780
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,600
And so I think he was a catalyst
781
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,640
for that whole era
of French Impressionism.
782
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,200
Claude Monet,
who came in 1872 to London,
783
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:01,720
he saw Turner's work
and he was forever altered.
784
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,280
And very early in the history
of Impressionism,
785
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,080
he and all the other Impressionist
artists wrote a letter -
786
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,880
a public open letter -
thanking Monsieur Turner
787
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,200
for having paved the way
for Impressionism,
788
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,440
and pointing them
in the direction of painting light.
789
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,880
Monet spent the rest of his life
pretending he'd never
written that letter
790
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,080
and pretending that he wasn't
absolutely in thrall to Turner.
791
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,960
In his later works in particular,
792
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,240
Turner described his art
as indistinct.
793
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,240
"Indistinctness is what I do."
794
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,720
Sort of this wonderful mix
of colour and swirl.
795
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,440
And then when you get up close,
you can see these little details.
796
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,440
So I think he's being playful there
797
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,600
by suggesting that somehow
he is ALWAYS indistinct.
798
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,480
I think anyone who's actually
studied Turner's paintings up close
799
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:49,160
and looked at them, can start to see
those little details ping out.
800
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,320
So I think he's both indistinct
AND distinct at the same time.
801
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,440
What I think there is...
is another way of looking at Turner,
802
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,000
and I think within the context
of a single painting,
803
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,680
he uses discreet,
sometimes camouflaged, imagery
804
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:08,720
to enhance the meaning
of that single painting.
805
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,160
And it does seem to occur in
the later part of Turner's career,
806
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,120
where he's more confident, perhaps,
807
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,480
where he cares less
about what people think,
808
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,920
where perhaps he has become
more prepared to be playful.
809
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,120
As Turner developed
his indistinct style,
810
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:37,240
he also turned
to new, modern topics,
811
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,120
which created a stir.
812
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:43,840
His contemporaries thought
he was a bit strange and he was.
813
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,840
Why would you paint a steam train
rushing towards the audience
814
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,720
as if to run them down?
This is an amazing thing to paint.
815
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,560
This is something of our time.
No-one else is painting it.
816
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,240
Because the Industrial Revolution
was such a shocking thing,
817
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,880
nobody painted it.
It's like, "don't mention the war".
818
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,600
But Turner DID paint it.
He painted smog.
819
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,240
No-one else did that.
820
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,720
And the public does respond,
as you can imagine.
821
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,960
They go, "Wow!"
822
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,160
I mean, it's like lobbing a bomb
into a gentlemen's club...
823
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,560
..a Turner painting.
824
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,520
I mean, it's this astonishing
explosion of light.
825
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,800
If you had to boil down to,
as it were,
826
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,800
one sentence, the meaning
of rain, steam and speed,
827
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,400
it's saying
"this is the modern world".
828
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,520
Here it is, a steam train
rushing towards you
829
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,600
across a viaduct,
that's blurred by speed.
830
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,520
And all around it,
831
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,800
are these little images and emblems.
832
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,320
There's this little boat.
833
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,000
A road bridge...but no coaches.
834
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,240
There's a hare scampering
out of the way. Nature - forget it.
835
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,120
A farmer with his plough
and two horses.
836
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,200
But they're like ghosts
cos, of course,
837
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,160
ploughs drawn by horses
838
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,120
are soon going to be
a thing of the past.
839
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,600
And again, that train...
840
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,560
..roaring towards the future,
841
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,680
roaring into
some kind of visionary...
842
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,880
..maelstrom of imagining.
843
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,320
To me, that's Turner.
844
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,320
You know, that's little Turner.
845
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,400
That's what the image is to me.
846
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:34,560
But Dr Wilkinson thinks
this painting
847
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,840
is not just celebrating steam power,
848
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,840
but specifically
the man who developed it...
849
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,880
..the engineering genius
Isambard Kingdom Brunel.
850
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,680
He had built
the new rail infrastructure,
851
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:48,320
designed railway bridges
852
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,320
and a revolutionary
kind of steamship,
853
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,240
the SS Great Britain.
854
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,320
He's painted on the front here -
and you can see at the bottom,
855
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,600
below the train,
there's a curve there.
856
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,880
And it's actually a red wine bottle
that's on the front of the train.
857
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,640
Do you mean the whole front
of the train IS a red wine bottle?
858
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:07,800
Yes.
Yeah.
859
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,760
And there is a reason for that.
860
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,400
On the 19th of July, 1843,
861
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Brunel conducted the train,
862
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,520
with Prince Albert on board,
to Bristol.
863
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,840
The purpose of the visit
was to float out
864
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,520
the greatest marine technology
innovation of the day -
865
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:27,720
the SS Great Britain.
866
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,360
So why is the wine bottle
significant?
867
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,000
So, a red wine bottle
was used to launch a ship...
868
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,920
..in those days.
It wasn't champagne.
869
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,560
The real issue
in this painting, though,
870
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,720
is that he has put
the SS Great Britain ship in
871
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,280
and it is beneath
some waving people.
872
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,000
If you look on the river,
873
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:53,440
you will see a ghost ship
with its prow to the left.
874
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,800
There are six ghostly masts
875
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,840
and the people who wave
and draw you into it
876
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,160
we're actually those people
at the floating out ceremony.
877
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,840
So, in your interpretation,
this is a sort of ghost indication
878
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,360
of the future destination
of the train,
879
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,280
which is to the launch of a ship?
880
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,160
Correct.
And it's sort of there, floating.
881
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,880
Cos I'd always thought
that those figures dancing
882
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,560
somehow might represent
the muses or...
883
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,360
It's almost as if Turner's saying,
all of that mythology of the past,
884
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:24,880
that's really fading
and fading and fading away
885
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,760
cos the new mythological beast,
886
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,480
the great sort of minotaur of now,
is the steam train.
887
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,200
So it's a bit of
a different interpretation.
888
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:36,000
The steam train has been trumped
by the SS Great Britain.
889
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,800
Well, I mean, I think...
890
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,560
You know, I personally think
the train's enough.
891
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,240
But...you know, I mean,
you know, it's interesting.
892
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,320
It's the sort of theory
that can't be denied
893
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,400
because what you're seeing,
or claiming to see,
894
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,760
is, you know, a persuasive
intellectual pattern.
895
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,360
Whether it's REALLY there,
we'd have to get Turner
896
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,440
out from the grave
and say, "Is he right?"
897
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,160
And whether he'd tell us
the truth anyway, how do we know?
898
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,640
I do feel the idea that the painting
is a homage to Brunel...
899
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:11,440
..I find that entirely persuasive.
900
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,840
Whether it's a red wine bottle,
whether there is a ghost ship,
901
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,960
I'm not...you know,
I can't say I'm sure.
902
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,840
I can't say. "Yes, I agree.
I see it.
903
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:20,720
I can understand the meaning."
904
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,160
But you've clearly
done your research.
905
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,640
(TRAIN WHISTLE TOOTS)
906
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:36,800
Of course, Turner was
travelling around Britain
907
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:40,040
and his journeys
were absolutely transformed
908
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:43,040
by the arrival of the trains
and the railways,
909
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,240
and that enabled him to travel
to different parts of the country
910
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,080
in ways that he hadn't done before.
911
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,880
Turner was born
in the late 18th century,
912
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,760
when the only modes of transport
would have been horse and horseback.
913
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,400
The Firefly so brilliantly depicted
in Turner's painting
914
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,720
would have been
absolutely revolutionary.
915
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,400
The iron horse
had replaced the horse,
916
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,920
and the Iron horse
was the Firefly locomotive,
917
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,160
capable of reaching
these extraordinary speeds
918
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:13,080
and in fact,
shrinking the entire country
919
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,560
to what he would have grown up with
as a child and as a young man.
920
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,040
(STEAM ENGINE HISSES)
921
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,120
(WHISTLE TOOTS)
922
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,880
(STEAM HISSES)
923
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,600
Well, Rob, thanks for joining us
here on the platform
924
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:35,720
in front of
a fantastic steam engine.
925
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,800
It IS beautiful.
Historic steam engine.
926
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,560
No matter how many times I see it,
927
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,680
it always makes me smile when
I come past this Firefly loco.
928
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:46,440
Magnificent. Yeah.
I wanted to just run past you
929
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,000
some images that we've found
in a painting by Turner
930
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,360
called Rain Steam And Speed.
Lovely.
931
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,640
There are some strange images
around the front of the train here.
932
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,200
Bright-coloured...
People think it's a fire box,
933
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:05,000
but you can see
the fire box is HERE.
934
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160
That should be
the front of the boiler.
935
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:10,720
Yeah. And something strange hanging
off the side of the train here.
936
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,160
This looks like the head of a man.
937
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:14,680
It's a nose and so on.
938
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:18,640
And he's looking down at the bridge
as if to inspect.
939
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,120
So what's the thinking here?
That this could be Brunel himself
940
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,560
coming across,
inspecting his handiwork,
941
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:27,200
inspecting his...
his controversial design,
942
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,400
but knowing that he was right?
943
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,520
Yeah. Yeah.
944
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,440
I mean...I love that.
945
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,920
And it is exactly...
From what I know about Brunel,
946
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,600
it's the kind of thing
that he would probably love to do -
947
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,120
go out inspecting
the beauty of his work.
948
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,200
Another image associated
with the front of the train.
949
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:48,160
There are some lines
coming down here
950
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,840
and then you follow them up
951
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,040
and it comes to the neck of a bottle
and the top of a bottle.
952
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,440
It looks almost like a wine bottle.
953
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:58,160
OK.
Can you see?
954
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,720
Yeah, I can see that now,
955
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:01,880
with the chimney being
the neck of the bottle.
956
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,360
Yeah. On the opening.
The chimney of the loco.
957
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:05,880
Yeah. Right.
OK.
958
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,640
What are we suggesting here?
959
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,920
Brunel wasn't an alcoholic
as far as I know.
960
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,120
No. We're suggesting
that this might be a wine bottle
961
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,400
travelling on...
in the direction of Bristol.
962
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,960
Let's try another one.
963
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,360
If you look down
the side of the train,
964
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,000
it's arranged rather as if
it's a banqueting table.
965
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:30,800
Can you see that at all?
966
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,840
Looking along that perspective?
Yeah.
967
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,080
With dinner plates as wheels
along here?
968
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,560
Yeah, yeah.
OK.
969
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,840
Yeah?
I can see that. Yeah.
970
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,560
A man with sideburns and a bald pate
971
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,960
looking down as if Brunel
is having a banquet...
972
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,040
Mm.
..which he did many times.
973
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:50,960
He used it
as his influencing method.
974
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,400
Yeah, I can see...
975
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,120
That's the clearest one
you've shown me so far, I think.
976
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,960
I can see that very, very clearly.
977
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,960
Can I say about that as well...
Yeah. Please.
978
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,240
Because of the style
of the rest of the painting,
979
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,600
and the locomotive
and the carriages behind,
980
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,360
there's not that much detail,
981
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,600
but it does strike me
982
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:11,240
that those wheels -
or dinner plates, perhaps -
983
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,120
are quite well defined,
which you wouldn't expect
in the style of the painting.
984
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,520
So there's something
slightly at odds there, I'd say.
985
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,720
It's quite extraordinary because
that painting's so well known.
986
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,560
It's, you know,
one of Turner's masterpieces.
987
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,480
And to think that thousands -
or millions - of people
988
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:30,320
have looked at that painting
and not seen that hidden imagery
989
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:34,000
is quite extraordinary, especially
as it's an homage to Brunel,
990
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,160
that Brunel himself
is hidden in that painting.
991
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:40,400
Isambard Kingdom Brunel was probably
one of the most influential
992
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:45,960
and revolutionary engineers
that Britain's ever had.
993
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,760
To think that he himself is hidden
in that painting is extraordinary.
994
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,520
He's there in the foreground,
conducting that train,
995
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,400
you know, going towards Bristol,
996
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,520
where the SS Great Britain
is being launched, you know,
997
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,960
the greatest ship of all time
at that time.
998
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,440
It's these dancing people
on the banks of the Thames.
999
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,280
Beneath them on the river...
1000
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,280
..there is...
1001
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,840
floating, a big boat with six masts.
1002
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,960
It could be.
My eyesight is not as good as yours.
1003
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,920
So it could be the SS Great Britain.
1004
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,200
Could he be painting here,
the floating out day?
1005
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,640
Is certainly...
It's certainly possible.
1006
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,120
Whether or not... One thing we don't
know is whether Turner was there.
1007
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,640
It was widely reported
in the papers of the time,
1008
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,800
so he would have known about that.
1009
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:09,360
And the people waving on the banks
of the River Thames here...
1010
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,680
if you look directly beneath them,
1011
00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:15,680
you will see
what I term a "ghost ship".
1012
00:55:15,720 --> 00:55:17,840
And it's got six masts.
1013
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Can you see it at all?
1014
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,360
I mean...
1015
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,640
yes.
1016
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,920
It's interesting.
For me, the challenge is that
1017
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,160
I think of Turner as such a...
1018
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,720
He was a kind of pre-impressionistic
painter and a romantic painter.
1019
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,080
And so I think of his work
as so gestural
1020
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:38,640
and so much about a kind of
immediacy in his mark-making,
1021
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,040
that, you know,
the idea that there's this
1022
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,240
other image in there is a challenge.
1023
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,440
But then when I look at the figures
and the way that they're reproduced,
1024
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:50,320
I mean, I can see a form there
1025
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,160
and, to me, it looks
a little bit more like a fish.
1026
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,200
These dancing people on the bank
1027
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:01,240
and beneath them
is a ghost ship with six masts.
1028
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,160
It looks like it is, for me...
1029
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:05,800
It looks like it is a representation
1030
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:10,120
of some ships that are,
you know, on the river...
1031
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,080
and there's figures above them.
1032
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,160
But I don't...
I don't see that as a HIDDEN thing.
1033
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,240
I think it's quite visible.
1034
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,880
Wow. Really? OK.
Yeah.
1035
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,360
The idea of having different
time frames in one painting,
1036
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,880
I find interesting.
1037
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:30,040
The boat's there
but it's in plain sight.
1038
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,040
You know, he added
those kind of details.
1039
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:33,880
That's what was
a bit of his trademark,
1040
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:38,280
really, to come in and whack
a few people into a painting.
1041
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,840
This is, of course, what Turner
always said was his speciality,
1042
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,600
being indistinct,
making people look,
1043
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:49,840
inviting people to ask whether stuff
is there or perhaps it's not.
1044
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,080
Again, I think this is
part of a game
1045
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,840
where nothing is entirely clear
1046
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,800
because of the complexity
of the world.
1047
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:01,320
A group that was long considered
to perhaps be...dancing nymphs,
1048
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:02,840
Nick has now proposed
1049
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,240
that those are actually people
waving off the SS Great Britain.
1050
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,960
And, yes, actually,
if you look carefully,
1051
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,000
indistinct, there is a ship
1052
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:18,000
perhaps a little bit like
the SS Great Britain.
1053
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:21,200
And I think the key to all this
is "indistinct".
1054
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:24,360
These aren't images
that Turner wants to...
1055
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,920
be projecting forcefully
from the paintings.
1056
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,760
They're things that sort of
come through the mist...
1057
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,200
the longer you look at them
and contemplate them.
1058
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:39,360
I think it's really important
1059
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,200
we look closely at pictures
1060
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,040
and especially
with great artists like Turner,
1061
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,840
we will always find
new things if we look.
1062
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,120
Over the last ten years or so,
a number of studies have examined
1063
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,200
how long most members of the public
1064
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,080
spend looking at
individual paintings in galleries.
1065
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:04,080
The results
are pretty extraordinary.
1066
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,840
What they found is
that the average person spends
1067
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,880
25 seconds
looking at a given painting.
1068
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,360
Now, that really isn't a lot.
If you compare it...
1069
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,320
We dedicate three minutes
of our time to a pop song,
1070
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,240
40 minutes to a symphony,
two hours to a film,
1071
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,080
two or three weeks to a novel,
but only 25 seconds to a painting.
1072
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,400
And that means that we're really not
looking at great works of art
1073
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:28,080
for long enough to absorb them,
1074
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,520
and certainly not
looking at them long enough
1075
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,680
to discover new things about them.
1076
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,200
I think if you DO look at paintings
more closely
1077
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,000
and you take your time, you can
discover extraordinary things.
1078
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,000
There were no galleries in the past.
1079
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:42,720
If you wanted to see a painting,
1080
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,760
you would have to go
to someone's house
1081
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,480
and you would go
and inspect the paintings
1082
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:49,760
and you would spend time doing that.
1083
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,080
You wouldn't look at them
for 60 seconds and walk on,
1084
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,640
which is what we do now.
1085
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:58,920
I also think people aren't confident
looking at paintings.
1086
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,360
When we go into a gallery, we're
very often looking for guidance.
1087
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,680
And I think it takes
a lot of courage
1088
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,680
to actually say what YOU see,
1089
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,800
regardless of
what you're being TOLD to see.
1090
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:14,360
I think it's also important
that a broader range
1091
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,920
of perspectives is brought
to the history of art.
1092
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,640
It shouldn't just be established
art historians and curators
looking at works of art,
1093
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,520
but sometimes people from
a very different background
1094
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,280
can see things and notice things
that other people haven't noticed.
1095
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,720
So I think that what Nick Wilkinson
has found is fascinating.
1096
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,480
I think he's clearly
looked very deeply
1097
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:35,680
and very carefully
at these paintings.
1098
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:39,360
And it may well be that some of
the things he's discovered are...
1099
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,520
were intended by Turner,
1100
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,640
but it's also possible that none
of them were intended by Turner
1101
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,280
and those things
have been placed there by Nick
1102
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,680
in his own determination
to find those symbols.
1103
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,280
What's brilliant about Nick
is he's just come from left of field
1104
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:58,280
and anyone who comes from
left of field, there's a shock
1105
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,880
and you think, "Really?
Can this possibly be true?
1106
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,480
Could we have missed all this
for sure?"
1107
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,200
I think he is controversial...
1108
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,920
..and a lot of people
won't want to see that.
1109
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:14,240
Whether you agree or not,
it's up to you.
1110
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:16,920
But at least we can have
a nice debate about it.
1111
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:31,120
In 1822, Turner painted
The Battle Of Trafalgar
1112
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,080
celebrating
Admiral Lord Nelson's triumph
1113
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,920
over Napoleon's warships in 1805.
1114
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,760
The painting shows
Nelson's ship the Victory
1115
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:45,320
sending out a signal flag saying
"every man will do his duty".
1116
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:50,360
But it also contains symbols
relating to Nelson himself,
1117
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,320
who died in the battle.
1118
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,320
One of the paintings that Nick
has really focused on
1119
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,560
that I DO find really intriguing,
1120
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,480
is Turner's painting
of The Battle Of Trafalgar,
1121
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:02,960
cos that has always been
1122
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,920
just a weird painting
in Turner's repertoire.
1123
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,120
It's an odd painting, full stop.
1124
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:11,800
The Battle Of Trafalgar
is a very strange painting.
1125
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,360
It's not really
a very Turnerian picture
1126
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,840
because although it's magnificent
and highly accomplished,
1127
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,920
and full of extraordinary detail,
it's quite static.
1128
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:23,560
And of course,
like so many of Turner's pictures,
1129
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,960
it is filled with symbols -
1130
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,080
a flag spelling out the word "duty"
1131
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,040
and Nelson's motto
hidden beneath the water.
1132
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,120
It's a strange, bizarre painting,
1133
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,680
and I've never really understood
why it was static,
1134
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:50,160
why the sails were so Baroque.
1135
01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:51,680
All sorts of things.
1136
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,880
And in a way,
Nick's findings have really helped.
1137
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,760
This is Turner's
only royal commission.
1138
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,280
Commissioned by George IV.
1139
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,600
And it's got a low perspective
1140
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:10,760
with Victory centre stage,
looming large.
1141
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:15,080
In the foreground, you've got
a scene of the chaos of battle
1142
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:18,200
and death - drowning sailors.
1143
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,480
It's already loaded with imagery.
1144
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,800
Does the falling mast
indicate the death of Nelson?
1145
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,760
His signal flag
is still flying there.
1146
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:33,400
"England expects every man
to do its duty."
1147
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,360
So he's really hammering home
the patriotic.
1148
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,320
The Wilkinsons think
that there are many more images
1149
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,760
than have been spotted so far...
1150
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:53,800
and also ones that tell
a bigger story about Nelson himself.
1151
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,160
I want to go through
some hidden images
1152
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:58,600
and just get your reaction
to that, really.
1153
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,280
There is a dark falling sail.
1154
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,760
That sail has the form
of a death mask.
1155
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,920
Could well represent
the death mask of Nelson.
1156
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:15,480
There's a rather strange
triangular bicorne hat.
1157
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,960
And then, finally,
there is a skull wearing a coronet
1158
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,280
of the kind that you find
in the Order Of The Bath.
1159
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:29,120
It's a sort of cone-shaped coronet.
1160
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:34,560
What we suggest is that these
are all tokens of Nelson's death.
1161
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:38,160
I think if the falling foremast
is often thought
1162
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,680
to represent Nelson himself
falling to the deck,
1163
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,960
then there's a degree of sense
1164
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:49,160
that those elements would be
further down from the mast.
1165
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,680
I can certainly see the bicorne hat.
1166
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,280
I hadn't noticed that at all.
1167
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:55,080
Certainly there's a connection
1168
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,120
between the traditional
interpretation of the painting
1169
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,520
and what appear to be
some hidden forms.
1170
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:03,840
Nelson was a celebrity,
1171
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:05,920
his love life in the public eye.
1172
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,160
Famously, he had a mistress,
Emma Hamilton,
1173
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,320
while still married.
1174
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,640
If you look at the correspondence...
1175
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,000
..between Nelson and Emma Hamilton,
1176
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:20,360
they referred to his wife,
1177
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:24,000
Frances Nisbet, as a..."Tom Tit".
1178
01:04:24,800 --> 01:04:26,600
Right.
Right?
1179
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,320
If you look at the prow
of the Victory...
1180
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:34,280
..and the way that sail's...
1181
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:36,960
very neatly curved round...
1182
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,160
Oh, yes.
There's an eye and there's a beak.
1183
01:04:40,200 --> 01:04:41,520
Yep.
1184
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:43,400
A bird, a tom tit.
1185
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,760
They called her a tom tit
because she had rheumatism.
1186
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,000
She moved around erratically.
1187
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:52,440
That's why they did it.
It was rather harsh and unkind.
1188
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,560
How do you feel about that?
1189
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:56,600
Well, it's a lot to take in.
1190
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,840
In what's a familiar...
1191
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:01,520
familiar painting,
1192
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:06,120
why insert
these additional meanings?
1193
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,760
If you look - and it's best
to see it from a distance -
1194
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:16,440
you see the sea form
forms the bosom of a lady.
1195
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,560
And then there is a face
1196
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:21,480
looking out at you
1197
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,560
with a particularly prominent eye...
1198
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:28,200
..and her chin here.
1199
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,360
And she's got a white sheet
behind her.
1200
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,000
This, we suggest, is Emma Hamilton.
1201
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,040
Ah.
OK?
1202
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,120
HMS Victory,
1203
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,480
which is behind us here now.
It is.
1204
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:56,600
Pristine condition.
1205
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,720
But I'm gonna draw you
to the foreground here.
1206
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,440
Floating in the sea here,
1207
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,640
supine in the sea,
looking upwards...
1208
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,720
in death,
1209
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,720
we propose, is the head of Nelson.
1210
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,800
Oh, yes, I've got it now.
Yes. It's there, isn't it?
1211
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,880
I can see his nose quite clearly
and grey features.
1212
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:24,640
Very appropriate for somebody
who's dead, I suppose.
1213
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:26,680
Isn't that incredible?
Yeah.
1214
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:29,440
That your relative, Turner,
1215
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,000
has painted the dead Nelson
1216
01:06:32,040 --> 01:06:36,920
supporting the British nation
after his death at the battle?
1217
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:38,960
Yes, it's remarkable.
1218
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,520
I'm assuming he intended to do that
1219
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,560
and it's not an optical illusion,
basically.
1220
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,960
Dr Wilkinson thinks
the figure of Nelson in the sea
1221
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,200
may refer to Nelson's funeral,
1222
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,200
where his coffin was placed
in a model of the Victory.
1223
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,120
I don't see that there.
1224
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:01,000
It's not convincing to me at all.
1225
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,520
I understand the imagery
in the painting,
1226
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,760
but then I don't
buy that particularly,
1227
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,640
because I think it's too disruptive
1228
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,400
of the coherence
of the original image.
1229
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:18,360
So I don't see why he would then,
you know, over-egg it a bit.
1230
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:24,160
You told me there were death masks
and yes, I can see them.
1231
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,800
In the context of what this painting
was trying to achieve
1232
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,040
by somehow
embodying the life of Nelson,
1233
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,920
I'm prepared to buy it.
1234
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,520
There is already,
in the sort of academic field,
1235
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:40,760
some sort of understanding
that there are hidden messages.
1236
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,800
But, yeah, it was only
when I looked through YOUR eyes
1237
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:48,320
I saw this very strange composition
at the bottom.
1238
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:52,520
You know, you do see
a face lying in state,
1239
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:55,080
and I had never considered that.
1240
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:01,920
It's here.
His hair is sort of floating off.
1241
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:04,320
Is this his mouth?
That's his mouth. Yeah.
1242
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,000
I think it's a bit of caricature.
I don't know if that's a face.
1243
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,640
But don't you think
you could take any painting
1244
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,520
and zoom in on it and find faces?
1245
01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:14,440
I mean,
I used to do this as a child.
1246
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,800
We had very...
I lived in a 400-year-old cottage
1247
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,880
and it had very bumpy walls
and was very badly painted.
1248
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:24,320
I remember I used to have to count
50 faces before I fell asleep.
1249
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,840
The tendency to perceive
images or objects
1250
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,480
where they don't exist
is known as pareidolia.
1251
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,560
Pareidolia is a strange name,
1252
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,360
but it actually describes
something we all do every day.
1253
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,920
It describes the way
we see images in things.
1254
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,840
So every time you look up
to the clouds
1255
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,960
and you see a face in the clouds,
or you see a face in your coffee,
1256
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,560
that is a pareidolia.
1257
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:54,000
Probably the best known example of
pareidolia is the Man in the Moon.
1258
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:57,320
We look at the moon
and we think that we see,
1259
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,120
in the distant craters,
a human face.
1260
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:06,400
My viewing experience of something
will be informed by what I know.
1261
01:09:06,440 --> 01:09:10,040
Your viewing experience of something
will be informed by what YOU know.
1262
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,520
Many people think that
the famous cave paintings
1263
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,360
that you find
in the Upper Paleolithic
1264
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,640
are also themselves pareidolia,
1265
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,840
and that the artists
that made those images
1266
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,160
weren't simply putting images
onto the cave walls
1267
01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:23,000
but were seeing images
1268
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,360
in the shapes and the shadows
of the cave walls.
1269
01:09:26,040 --> 01:09:29,480
Renaissance artists
exploited pareidolic effects.
1270
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,320
Correggio shows a nymph
embraced by a cloudy Jupiter.
1271
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,520
Mantegna's sky
features heavenly faces.
1272
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,960
Accidental things can occur
in the making of works of art,
1273
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:44,800
which artists then embrace.
1274
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,000
It could be that it began
as an accident,
1275
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,120
and it was then something
that he tweaked
1276
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,240
in order to make it appear
more intentional.
1277
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:57,480
I think it's highly likely that
that was part of his process
1278
01:09:57,520 --> 01:09:59,520
of producing these hidden images,
1279
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,600
and we know that that is an
established form for producing art,
1280
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,640
which dates back to...
1281
01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,920
The earliest account we have
is in 11th-century China.
1282
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,120
In Turner's day,
he and other landscape painters
1283
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,080
were taught using
an inkblot technique...
1284
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:27,360
which encouraged them to find
imaginary scenes in wet paint.
1285
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:30,960
OK, so in terms of watercolour...
1286
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:35,400
..and what you might call
the inkblot technique,
1287
01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,000
Turner would have used...
1288
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:39,720
Obviously, he was
a great master of watercolour.
1289
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,520
In his later years,
when he was very free
1290
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,920
and loose with his application -
especially with watercolour...
1291
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:52,760
it would...he would flood it on
with a brush like this.
1292
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,720
So it's often thought
1293
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,480
that he might simply
start something like this
1294
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:00,120
and then develop a watercolour
1295
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:04,960
from the suggestive properties
of the blotch.
1296
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,960
And, of course,
this was something that...
1297
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,720
uh...
1298
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,240
is mentioned...
1299
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:18,440
Leonardo da Vinci mentions this
as a way of generating imagery
1300
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:22,040
and as a way of understanding
the natural world.
1301
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:27,960
So he would advise his pupils to...
to look at...
1302
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,240
..stains on walls...
1303
01:11:32,280 --> 01:11:35,040
as a way of emulating
1304
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,560
the kind of
1305
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,040
shapes and forms
that that happened in nature.
1306
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,240
So we might sort of suddenly
think, "OK, well, there's a bit of,
1307
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,960
perhaps, a horizon line...
developing here."
1308
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:55,560
And this is entirely speculative
what I'm doing.
1309
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,280
I'm just following my nose a bit
1310
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,800
and reacting
to what I see in front of me.
1311
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:09,120
What these blots and blotches
might suggest.
1312
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,040
What Turner is such a master at
1313
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:15,000
is being responsive to his medium...
1314
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,520
..and working
within the limits of it,
1315
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:21,440
but pushing the limits as well.
1316
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,240
He did everything in spades
that they pretend
1317
01:12:31,280 --> 01:12:34,600
the artists on the Turner Prize
shortlist are doing every year.
1318
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,880
But that kind of idea
of an artist as someone
1319
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,960
pushing the boundaries, somebody
making you see the world afresh,
1320
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:42,680
it didn't exist
in Victorian England.
1321
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:45,840
In Victorian England, the job of
the artist was to paint myself,
1322
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:48,840
my wife, my horse, my dog,
my country estate.
1323
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,200
Maybe paint a bit of mythology.
1324
01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:54,160
The idea that you'd paint
the meaning of the universe -
1325
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,080
because that's Turner's subject,
1326
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:59,640
he is actually taking on
the meaning of the universe.
1327
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,360
He's pushing towards the point
that Einstein reaches
1328
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:07,120
considerably later - namely the idea
that somehow, in light,
1329
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:08,920
in the perception of light,
1330
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:12,040
the secrets of the universe
lie encoded.
1331
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:19,840
Artists have long tried to give
multiple dimensions to their work.
1332
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,120
17th-century painters
made landscapes
1333
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,320
that transformed into people.
1334
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,320
And perhaps some of Turner's
landscapes conceal people, too.
1335
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:37,680
Does his painting of
St Catherine's Hill in Guildford
1336
01:13:37,720 --> 01:13:40,280
hide a head and shoulders
of the saint?
1337
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,360
If you track through
the history of art,
1338
01:13:42,400 --> 01:13:45,880
what you find is that this idea
of hidden images
1339
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,000
is a fundamental part
of the history of art.
1340
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:52,520
Whether it's these distorted skulls
in the backgrounds
of Renaissance vanitas paintings,
1341
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:56,400
whether it's the double images of
Salvador Dali and the surrealists,
1342
01:13:56,440 --> 01:13:58,040
the idea of disguising
1343
01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:01,240
and putting images
secretly into other images
1344
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:03,920
is a fundamental technique
in the history of art.
1345
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,320
It's a very fascinating territory.
1346
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:09,400
The whole beauty of them
is they're hidden.
1347
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,520
Probably one of
the best-known examples
1348
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,920
in a British public collection
1349
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,400
is in Holbein's Painting
The Ambassadors,
1350
01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:20,560
which is in the National Gallery
in London.
1351
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,800
This is a full-length,
full-sized portrait
1352
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,560
of two French ambassadors
to the Court of Henry VIII.
1353
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,920
The Ambassadors is famous
for its hidden symbolism.
1354
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,920
And it's famous above all
for this anamorphic skull,
1355
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:35,800
this...stretched skull,
1356
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:38,120
that when you look
at the painting straight on,
1357
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:41,200
you just think, "What's that mark
at the bottom of the canvas?"
1358
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:43,040
But when you actually
go round to the side
1359
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,760
and you look at the painting down,
1360
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,000
or when you go to the other side
and look at it up,
1361
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:48,880
that whole "smear", if you like,
1362
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,440
condenses into
a perfect painting of a skull.
1363
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:55,000
So that's a classic example
1364
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:58,320
of an artist hiding symbols
in plain sight.
1365
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:05,400
The idea of hiding imagery
in paintings
1366
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,720
was very well established.
1367
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:11,640
But as a young man,
Turner lived in Maiden Lane.
1368
01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:14,880
The area was full of theatres
and print shops
1369
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:18,720
and places where he would have seen
satirical images,
1370
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:22,400
often had concealed
anthropomorphic images within them.
1371
01:15:22,440 --> 01:15:26,480
So all of this is in Turner's
kind of visual vocabulary
1372
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,800
from a very early stage.
1373
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,360
I think it's entirely plausible
that he would have continued
1374
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:35,840
to deploy those techniques
throughout his career.
1375
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,560
And the other thing,
I think, that anybody knows
1376
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,040
from having discovered
a hidden or anthropomorphic image
1377
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,480
is that when we DO
notice these things,
1378
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,120
they have a very profound
1379
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:48,600
and memorable effect
on our consciousness.
1380
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,720
I can see why he would have used
this technique
1381
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,880
to make a political statement.
1382
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:02,720
And Turner DID make
political statements.
1383
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,800
In his painting entitled Slave Ship,
1384
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:10,000
Slavers Throwing Overboard The Dead
And Dying - Typhon Coming On...
1385
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:13,920
..he shows the practice
of offloading human cargo
1386
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,680
as a storm approaches.
1387
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:19,240
You look at it
and you go into the painting.
1388
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,120
It doesn't come out to you.
You have to go into it to find it.
1389
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,600
And that's what I love about it
as a work of art.
1390
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:27,280
Now, the story it tells
is quite dreadful.
1391
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:30,920
These were people methodically
thrown overboard over three days.
1392
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,680
142 lives. Men, women and children
were thrown into the sea.
1393
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:38,440
Apparently, one of them
actually made it back...
1394
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:39,960
such was his will to live.
1395
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,960
The painting immortalised
the 1781 Zong Massacre.
1396
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,200
The ship was sailing to Jamaica.
1397
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,960
Beneath the deck,
over 400 suffocating human beings
1398
01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,480
were being held captive
in horrific conditions.
1399
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:10,520
These ships were not designed
to carry so many people
1400
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:15,480
who would have been having less than
a coffin space to circulate in.
1401
01:17:16,200 --> 01:17:18,600
Some figures go up to 470,
1402
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,680
and maybe we won't ever
really fully know,
1403
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,320
simply because the records
are incomplete.
1404
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:29,960
There was a so-called slave ship.
1405
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,360
They set out en route to Jamaica,
1406
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:36,760
but due to miscalculations,
1407
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,000
they passed Jamaica
1408
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:43,800
and they began to run out
of food, water.
1409
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,640
The ship captain -
somebody called Luke Collingwood -
1410
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:51,080
orders the crew
to throw overboard...
1411
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,360
the surplus Africans.
1412
01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,640
Just even talking about it
is really difficult.
1413
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:09,040
For many of those who were
trying to stop slavery,
1414
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:12,800
including abolitionists -
and African abolitionists -
1415
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:18,720
the way in which they were able
to impact social consciousness
1416
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:22,840
and to change and transform
hearts and minds
1417
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:25,680
was through works of art
1418
01:18:25,720 --> 01:18:29,360
that we don't often see
as having a political value.
1419
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:33,040
But they would have had
such a political impact.
1420
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,960
But here's the thing. I think
that this painting is being seen
1421
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,920
as Turner having a bit of guilt.
1422
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:47,600
He'd invested in a share
in a sugar plantation in Jamaica.
1423
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:53,640
So he was part of the transatlantic
slave trade movement,
1424
01:18:53,680 --> 01:18:57,320
but at the same time was able
to kind of see the horror
1425
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,040
and the barbaric nature
of this practice.
1426
01:19:01,080 --> 01:19:03,840
So, in a way,
it's like his painting speaks
1427
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,440
to his kind of personal guilt,
1428
01:19:06,480 --> 01:19:11,120
but also speaks to the activism,
or the activist, in him as well.
1429
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:14,000
With this painting,
Turner was compelling people
1430
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,000
to campaign with the abolitionists.
1431
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:24,080
Dr Wilkinson has identified
new images concealed in the work
1432
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:28,480
that speak further
to Turner's abhorrence of slavery
1433
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:31,000
and his own sense of personal guilt.
1434
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:38,240
The first image that you find in
here is a large, quite diffuse one.
1435
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,600
What you see on the left side,
1436
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:45,000
the storm coming in
to overtake the slave traders,
1437
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,920
is an image of Zeus himself...
1438
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,800
..using his trademark thunderbolt.
1439
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:54,760
Can you see that image?
1440
01:19:55,560 --> 01:19:57,400
I can.
1441
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:04,240
What this painting conveys is how
Turner is totally going against
1442
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,040
what becomes
rationalisations for enslavement.
1443
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:11,000
That it was legal,
1444
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,040
that somehow it was acceptable.
1445
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,960
And clearly,
for Turner to be painting this,
1446
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:20,240
he's really trying to convey
that underbelly...
1447
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,680
..that is not spoken
1448
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:27,960
and really flying in the face
of all of the rationalisations
1449
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:31,080
and the justifications
that continue to this day.
1450
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:35,920
And it brings, I think,
a whole new sort of level...
1451
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:39,560
in terms of analysing
what's in this painting
1452
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:43,480
and what messages
he was conveying for the times,
1453
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,560
but also timeless messages.
1454
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,040
It looks like we've got a god here
1455
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,960
throwing in thunderbolts
at the slave traders.
1456
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,040
What do you think about that?
1457
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,200
You can see
there IS something there.
1458
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,160
There's something...big,
1459
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:05,040
powerful, dramatic,
rising out of the sea.
1460
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,280
But they're only there
because you told me.
1461
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,000
I know there's something there
and I can guess...
1462
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,920
I can see where you're coming from.
1463
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:15,200
Turner has put
some powerful image there,
1464
01:21:15,240 --> 01:21:17,160
some monumental image.
1465
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,760
Whether it's Zeus,
I don't fully resolve it.
1466
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,080
But I can see...essentially intense,
1467
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,400
the intent of something overbearing
about to descend on the ship.
1468
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:30,680
But could the figure in the clouds
1469
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,560
also refer to a famous poem
about guilt?
1470
01:21:34,480 --> 01:21:37,520
Samuel Taylor Coleridge's
Rime Of The Ancient Mariner.
1471
01:21:38,440 --> 01:21:41,520
It relates how,
when a sailor shot an albatross,
1472
01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:43,200
his ship was becalmed...
1473
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,320
..idle as a painted ship
upon a painted ocean...
1474
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:49,360
under a hot and copper sky.
1475
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,840
The crew died of thirst.
1476
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:55,400
Their souls sucked up
into a creature in the sky
1477
01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:57,240
called Life In Death.
1478
01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:02,960
Nick's observations about
Turner's use of pareidolia imagery,
1479
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,240
imagery concealed in clouds,
or mountains, or sails,
1480
01:22:07,280 --> 01:22:12,200
made me think about The Slave Ship
again and look at the clouds.
1481
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:14,440
And for the first time,
1482
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:19,360
I could see a figure in the clouds,
hovering above the ship.
1483
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:23,920
And that was consistent with two
things that the painting references.
1484
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:29,120
It's consistent, in my view,
that there might be a reference
1485
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,880
to the Ancient Mariner.
1486
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:33,000
And when I went back
1487
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:36,680
and read that poem
through Nick's lens,
1488
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,360
I indeed could see a lot of imagery
in that painting
1489
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:43,160
that seemed to relate
to the poem as well.
1490
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,640
And with good cause,
1491
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,160
because that poem does speak
1492
01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:51,200
to the death of people
on board a ship,
1493
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:53,480
to their souls, rising...
1494
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:57,680
this figure Life In Death
who sucked up souls towards her.
1495
01:22:57,720 --> 01:23:01,160
But the title also talks
about Typhon...
1496
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:05,600
..who is a mythological monster
1497
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,120
who has a great battle with Zeus.
1498
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,320
He loved those great
sort of mythological battles
1499
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:13,840
between good and evil.
1500
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,640
By 1846, Turner meets Sophia Booth,
1501
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:28,920
and they take
a little cottage in Chelsea.
1502
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,360
This becomes a place that's really
Turner's private world,
1503
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,360
and he's known locally
as Admiral Booth or Mr Booth,
1504
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:41,960
so he's adopted HER surname
to really hide from the world
1505
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:44,440
and just be the man he wants to be
1506
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,880
when he's not being
The Great Turner.
1507
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,800
Towards the end of his life,
when his health started to decline,
1508
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,120
he found this house
on the river in Chelsea.
1509
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,320
What he liked about it
was it had this secluded terrace
1510
01:23:58,360 --> 01:24:02,040
where he could paint the sky
but not be seen by the public.
1511
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,880
By this stage, Turner was
an absolute wreck of a man.
1512
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,280
He stank. He was dishevelled.
1513
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:08,760
He was anonymous.
1514
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:10,560
People didn't really know
who he was.
1515
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:12,680
His neighbours didn't
really know him.
1516
01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:15,080
They thought he was
a sea captain or something.
1517
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:21,360
He took her name
because he didn't want to be known
1518
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:22,960
as Turner, the great painter.
1519
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,640
So he called himself "Puggy"
1520
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,880
cos he's only four foot nothing,
as we all know.
1521
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:29,240
So when he did sit with the guys
1522
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,880
or the dockers or the sailors,
he would say, "I'm Puggy."
1523
01:24:32,920 --> 01:24:34,720
He was a very secretive man.
1524
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,080
Turner and Sophia Booth stayed
together for the rest of his life.
1525
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:40,600
It's a relationship that lasts
nearly 20 years,
1526
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:45,640
and he actually dies
at their cottage in Chelsea in 1851.
1527
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,880
One of the things
I love about Turner
1528
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:55,520
is actually he donated
all of his paintings,
1529
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,920
all of his works, to this nation.
1530
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,920
It's unusual for Turner to have left
all his work to the nation,
1531
01:25:01,960 --> 01:25:04,920
but it was a very clever thing
for him to have done.
1532
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:08,560
Part of the reasons
why he has endured, really.
1533
01:25:08,600 --> 01:25:12,440
It still remains, I think,
the biggest single artist bequest
1534
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:14,600
to a British institution.
1535
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,800
His legacy
is absolutely extraordinary.
1536
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,720
I think he remains the greatest
British painter of all time
1537
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:26,080
and his name is still remembered.
1538
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:28,560
Think of the Turner Prize,
which is still going.
1539
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,960
The Turner Prize began in 1984
1540
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:38,000
to celebrate the most compelling
contemporary visual art.
1541
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,520
It's become associated
with a kind of radicalism,
1542
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,600
and Turner himself was associated
with a kind of radicalism.
1543
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:47,640
It's deliberately named after Turner
because many people
1544
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:51,320
consider him to be
the first modern British painter.
1545
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,960
Turner invented the idea
of the artist
1546
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:57,520
as someone who challenges,
1547
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,440
you know, if you wanted to be
really radical as an artist now,
1548
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:03,760
you'd be utterly conventional
because no-one else is doing that.
1549
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,280
Is there a Turner code?
1550
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:13,400
Nick is suggesting that some images
skip across paintings.
1551
01:26:13,440 --> 01:26:16,640
Bears...geese.
1552
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,600
Is that a code?
1553
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:23,120
Maybe. If it's a code,
it's a slightly indistinct code
1554
01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:27,840
in a way that only Turner
could provide an indistinct code.
1555
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:30,280
I think he's keeping us guessing.
1556
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:34,280
ERICA: The Turner code signifies
an enhanced way
1557
01:26:34,320 --> 01:26:38,240
of looking at and analysing
Turner's paintings.
1558
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,720
NICK: First of all,
the fairly high intensity recurrence
1559
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,800
of personal emblems -
the bear's head
1560
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:49,600
and a floating head with a large
nose, almost caricature like.
1561
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,760
And we find this recurring
across paintings.
1562
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,600
Do you think that there could be
a Turner code?
1563
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:01,880
It could be.
1564
01:27:01,920 --> 01:27:05,120
It could be...
because he was a genius.
1565
01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:08,280
I'm not denying that there are
other narratives
1566
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,480
going on in some of these paintings.
You can see that.
1567
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,000
Where you have
these images appearing
1568
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:16,800
and they're enigmatic and fugitive.
1569
01:27:16,840 --> 01:27:19,040
You know, he painted these things
for a reason
1570
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:22,080
and I can see that you are
hunting after those reasons.
1571
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:27,080
Once you realise he's got
this ability to paint miniatures,
1572
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,000
you will find about 200 of them.
1573
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:32,440
The curators have been looking
at these pictures
1574
01:27:32,480 --> 01:27:36,360
for a couple of hundred years
and haven't actually spotted it.
1575
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,240
Neither have the public.
But it's an addition.
1576
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:43,360
Is not a criticism
that people haven't seen it before.
1577
01:27:43,400 --> 01:27:46,200
They haven't had the machinery
to see it before.
1578
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:50,120
It's hard to be sure that Turner
would have intended people
1579
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:53,560
to have seen them, because
I think some of them are so vague.
1580
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:56,200
It's also not impossible
that he would have left
1581
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:58,280
a trail of clues in his work.
1582
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,120
I think, as we begin
to look again at these works
1583
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:04,400
with Nick's images in mind,
I'm sure we'll come up with
1584
01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:07,280
some slightly different
interpretations.
1585
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,000
Or perhaps there will be
a degree of incredulity.
1586
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:13,200
I don't know. We'll need to see
how the things pan out.
1587
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:17,200
I think, if people are
being encouraged to look again,
1588
01:28:17,240 --> 01:28:19,400
look more closely at Turner...
1589
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:22,960
..see things that perhaps
they haven't been seen before,
1590
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,160
then clearly
there will be an interest
1591
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:27,960
to come and view this great work.
1592
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:31,240
Some of them I can see,
and some of them I can't see.
1593
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,280
I find the idea
that Turner would include...
1594
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:38,120
..little secret images
and symbols...
1595
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,600
in a certain hidden
graphic language...
1596
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,960
I don't find that
totally surprising at all
1597
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,640
because I think he was
a man with secret meanings.
1598
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:47,760
I think that the way
that you're looking
1599
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:49,680
and thinking about Turner's work,
1600
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,880
whether those images
are in there or not,
1601
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,800
is the way that I think
we should look at art.
1602
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:57,480
And I think it's the way
artists want us to look at art,
1603
01:28:57,520 --> 01:28:59,520
because I think it's about,
you know,
1604
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:02,200
trying to find the clues
and trying to find
1605
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:04,680
what's in the painting,
what's in the image.
1606
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:07,400
And, of course, you can bring
scholarship and knowledge
1607
01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:09,480
and all of these
other disciplines to it,
1608
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:11,720
but you should always
return to the painting.
1609
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,120
And if these things
are starting to come out,
1610
01:29:14,160 --> 01:29:16,960
I also don't think
it's a leap of the imagination
1611
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,600
to imagine that Turner would be
1612
01:29:18,640 --> 01:29:20,720
playing with all these
different codes.
1613
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,360
Well, I've made the leap,
1614
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,680
and it's taken 200 years
to get there on a lot of this,
1615
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:27,840
so we'll see how it's received.
1616
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,520
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