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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:55,337 --> 00:00:59,123 I like interviews because it's that strange area 2 00:00:59,297 --> 00:01:06,087 where you try and pin down something that happened in the past. 3 00:01:40,556 --> 00:01:47,737 Those who insist the legendary Jim Morrison died at age 27 in Paris, France, 4 00:01:47,911 --> 00:01:51,828 on or around July 3rd, 1971, 5 00:01:52,002 --> 00:01:55,440 are speculating or withholding information. 6 00:02:02,578 --> 00:02:05,581 That, combined with a lack of autopsy, 7 00:02:05,755 --> 00:02:08,366 no verified corroboration substantiating 8 00:02:08,540 --> 00:02:12,805 the French medical practice of Dr. Max Vasile, 9 00:02:12,979 --> 00:02:16,244 his purported French death certificate signature, 10 00:02:16,418 --> 00:02:21,205 or his presumed cause of Jim's death as, quote, "heart failure," 11 00:02:21,379 --> 00:02:28,734 as well as a sustained absence of Morrison's reputed 1971 United States passport, 12 00:02:28,908 --> 00:02:35,088 raises the question of collusion, places the burden of proof on those in the know, 13 00:02:35,785 --> 00:02:42,487 and renders the variable, quote, "official story," a cold case mystery. 14 00:02:47,449 --> 00:02:51,322 Fifty years later, as of the year 2021, 15 00:02:51,496 --> 00:02:55,326 testimonial evidence, the type admissible in a court of law, 16 00:02:55,500 --> 00:02:59,635 and probatory information supporting Morrison staging his death 17 00:02:59,809 --> 00:03:02,115 has never been brought to light. 18 00:03:04,205 --> 00:03:05,597 Until now. 19 00:04:19,584 --> 00:04:23,371 ...of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the-- 20 00:04:23,545 --> 00:04:27,331 Jim Morrison, the lead singer for The Doors, a rock music group, is dead. 21 00:04:27,505 --> 00:04:29,899 He was 27. 22 00:04:30,073 --> 00:04:32,989 His personal manager said he died in Paris, probably of heart failure, last Saturday. 23 00:04:33,163 --> 00:04:37,472 His manager said Morrison died six days ago in Paris, either of a heart attack or pneumonia. 24 00:04:37,646 --> 00:04:40,170 Jim Morrison is dead, and they say natural causes, 25 00:04:40,344 --> 00:04:44,043 which is really a strange thing in a 30-year-old person, or thereabouts. 26 00:04:44,217 --> 00:04:46,481 Natural causes. 27 00:04:46,655 --> 00:04:50,354 Which natural causes, in specific, he wasn't sure. Someone else... 28 00:04:50,528 --> 00:04:53,575 We are awaiting Mr. Siddons' arrival here to make it official. 29 00:04:53,749 --> 00:04:56,186 They said that the reason they didn't announce it 30 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,797 prior to the middle of the night 31 00:04:58,971 --> 00:05:02,540 was because they wanted to avoid this sort of circus carnival. 32 00:05:03,149 --> 00:05:06,196 But the death was kept secret to avoid a sensation. 33 00:05:06,370 --> 00:05:08,416 He was buried in Paris in the same cemetery 34 00:05:08,590 --> 00:05:11,593 where Balzac and other French immortals lie. 35 00:05:28,436 --> 00:05:33,005 My name is Jeff Finn, and I'm a lifetime fan of Jim Morrison, 36 00:05:33,179 --> 00:05:37,140 most well known as the infamous lead singer and lyricist 37 00:05:37,314 --> 00:05:42,624 of groundbreaking 1960s rock band, The Doors. 38 00:05:43,581 --> 00:05:48,325 Legendary though he may be, there's far more to Morrison's story. 39 00:05:48,891 --> 00:05:53,504 I've made it my life's work to extract the truth from a 50-year-old tale 40 00:05:53,678 --> 00:05:57,334 that's been riddled with rumor, lies and myth. 41 00:05:57,595 --> 00:06:01,425 Who was the real James Douglas Morrison? 42 00:06:08,171 --> 00:06:11,696 Join me as I dive down the Morrison rabbit hole. 43 00:06:12,175 --> 00:06:16,658 But I can't guarantee you'll make it back out with your sanity fully intact. 44 00:06:19,051 --> 00:06:24,143 Because as I've found, the walls of the rabbit hole are lined with coincidences, 45 00:06:24,709 --> 00:06:26,972 often too many to explain. 46 00:06:31,803 --> 00:06:35,590 From July 1965 to April 1971, 47 00:06:35,764 --> 00:06:39,681 a short span that bookended the turbulent late 1960s, 48 00:06:39,855 --> 00:06:42,945 Jim dragged the innocuous era of rock and roll 49 00:06:43,119 --> 00:06:47,297 kicking and screaming into the more mature realm of rock, 50 00:06:47,471 --> 00:06:52,520 which quickly evolved from John Lennon sweetly singing about wanting to hold your hand, 51 00:06:53,608 --> 00:06:59,004 to Jim howling about wanting to kill his father and fuck his mother. 52 00:07:00,876 --> 00:07:05,620 In the spring of 1966, The Doors scored their first big break 53 00:07:05,794 --> 00:07:10,494 when they became the house band at the Whiskey a Go Go on Sunset Boulevard. 54 00:07:11,930 --> 00:07:16,544 Deriving cinematic inspiration from the shared UCLA film school education 55 00:07:16,718 --> 00:07:19,808 of Jim and fellow student Ray Manzarek, 56 00:07:19,982 --> 00:07:23,768 The Doors also wielded the techniques of avant-garde theater 57 00:07:23,942 --> 00:07:28,904 via the orgasmic tension and release of surreal pregnant pauses. 58 00:07:30,775 --> 00:07:33,648 As a band, they employed the unorthodox approach 59 00:07:33,822 --> 00:07:36,085 of Manzarek's carnivalesque organ... 60 00:07:42,265 --> 00:07:46,443 John Densmore's dynamic jazz-influenced drum accents... 61 00:07:50,403 --> 00:07:55,583 and Robby Krieger's eerie bottleneck guitar and unique songwriting ability. 62 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,982 Jim, who had no formal musical training, 63 00:08:04,156 --> 00:08:08,334 had a natural aptitude for vocal melodies and song composition, 64 00:08:08,509 --> 00:08:12,730 which he wedded to his immersive poems in the form of lyrics. 65 00:08:13,035 --> 00:08:20,129 ♪ Before you slip into Unconsciousness ♪ 66 00:08:20,303 --> 00:08:24,612 The Doors, the first dark band to seize the mass postmodern consciousness, 67 00:08:24,786 --> 00:08:26,352 enjoyed many firsts, 68 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,009 from having their debut album promoted via the first rock billboard 69 00:08:31,183 --> 00:08:32,968 on Hollywood's Sunset Strip, 70 00:08:34,273 --> 00:08:38,930 to Jim infamously ignoring a censorship plea from The Ed Sullivan Show. 71 00:08:40,236 --> 00:08:43,108 The Doors, who had number-one singles in the US 72 00:08:43,282 --> 00:08:48,070 with 1967's "Light My Fire" and 1968's "Hello, I Love You," 73 00:08:49,158 --> 00:08:51,508 truly were a groundbreaking unit. 74 00:08:52,553 --> 00:08:55,251 The Doors also helped usher in arena rock, 75 00:08:55,425 --> 00:08:58,384 and Jim, as if in defiant reply, 76 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,519 promptly became the first rock star arrested on stage. 77 00:09:04,652 --> 00:09:10,048 By the time of Jim Morrison's alleged death, The Doors had sold nearly five million albums, 78 00:09:10,222 --> 00:09:13,051 and they went on to become the first American band 79 00:09:13,225 --> 00:09:16,577 to accumulate eight consecutive gold records. 80 00:09:17,621 --> 00:09:22,539 In 1993, The Doors were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. 81 00:09:22,713 --> 00:09:27,762 And by 2021, they had sold over 100 million records worldwide, 82 00:09:27,936 --> 00:09:32,462 earning them the title of one of the best-selling musical artists of all time. 83 00:09:33,898 --> 00:09:36,335 Taken together, this is truly remarkable, 84 00:09:36,509 --> 00:09:39,861 especially given the erratic nature of Jim Morrison, 85 00:09:40,644 --> 00:09:44,605 who single-handedly created the post-James Dean archetype 86 00:09:44,779 --> 00:09:47,869 of the "live fast, die young" rock frontman. 87 00:09:50,219 --> 00:09:53,657 Jim Morrison accomplished all of this in just under six years 88 00:09:53,831 --> 00:09:56,268 and before the age of 27. 89 00:10:21,032 --> 00:10:26,081 I've always found Jim's untimely death at 27 highly suspicious. 90 00:10:27,691 --> 00:10:30,433 Exasperated by the ravages of fame, 91 00:10:30,607 --> 00:10:37,135 Jim and his on-off soulmate Pamela Corson fled to Paris. 92 00:10:37,309 --> 00:10:40,617 Pam flew out of L.A. around Valentine's Day, 93 00:10:40,791 --> 00:10:43,838 and Jim joined her a few weeks later in March. 94 00:10:44,534 --> 00:10:48,059 Their French sabbatical lasted less than four months. 95 00:10:48,233 --> 00:10:50,496 He seemed to enjoy living as an outlaw 96 00:10:50,671 --> 00:10:53,195 in self-imposed exile for a while. 97 00:10:53,369 --> 00:10:56,111 Paris was Jim's most romantic option, 98 00:10:56,285 --> 00:10:59,636 but a fresh identity was his most realistic way out 99 00:10:59,810 --> 00:11:02,770 after having been pigeonholed as a rock star. 100 00:11:02,944 --> 00:11:07,209 For Jim, it was either a new life or death. 101 00:11:09,298 --> 00:11:13,998 Pam claimed she had a French doctor prescribe asthma medication for Jim, 102 00:11:14,172 --> 00:11:16,261 but no proof has materialized. 103 00:11:16,871 --> 00:11:21,223 In any case, like the apparent doctor who signed Jim's death certificate, 104 00:11:21,397 --> 00:11:24,879 there's been no trace of the asthma doctor. 105 00:11:28,230 --> 00:11:33,148 Jim and Pam were said to have been platonic for more than a year, pre-Paris. 106 00:11:34,889 --> 00:11:39,241 And in the City of Light, they seem to have spent as much time together as apart. 107 00:11:40,633 --> 00:11:45,987 Pam spent time with her periodic lover and drug dealer, Jean de Breteuil, 108 00:11:46,596 --> 00:11:51,906 while Jim enjoyed the company of his close friend, Alain Ronay, and others. 109 00:11:54,256 --> 00:11:57,128 Arnold Derwin, Jim's Los Angeles doctor, 110 00:11:57,302 --> 00:12:01,611 told me that other than his drinking, Jim was, quote, "healthy as a horse" 111 00:12:01,785 --> 00:12:03,961 in the year before he left L.A. 112 00:12:04,657 --> 00:12:07,486 Another source that shall be revealed informed me, 113 00:12:07,660 --> 00:12:13,405 quote, "Jim was no alcoholic when I knew him in Paris, and Pam was no junkie." 114 00:12:14,189 --> 00:12:18,410 That same source stated that the rumors of Jim dying of heroin 115 00:12:18,584 --> 00:12:21,500 were, quote, "ridiculous." 116 00:12:22,153 --> 00:12:24,242 But back to the official story. 117 00:12:24,852 --> 00:12:29,944 Jim purportedly died of any number of maladies, with alcohol winning out. 118 00:12:30,118 --> 00:12:32,729 A coffin was delivered to Jim and Pam's apartment, 119 00:12:32,903 --> 00:12:36,385 where his corpse was placed inside and the coffin was sealed 120 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,129 before any Morrison family member could travel to identify the body. 121 00:12:44,610 --> 00:12:50,312 Assuming a coffin was buried, it would be just like Jim, a notorious prankster, 122 00:12:50,486 --> 00:12:54,142 to hide behind a tree at his own funeral. 123 00:12:54,316 --> 00:12:58,320 A grieving Pam flew back to L.A. with a unique carry-on item, 124 00:12:58,494 --> 00:13:03,847 a metal strongbox full of Jim's poems and the cryptic phrase, "127 fascination." 125 00:13:09,810 --> 00:13:12,247 The more I learned about Jim's reported death, 126 00:13:12,421 --> 00:13:15,206 including the various rumors and alternate stories 127 00:13:15,380 --> 00:13:18,427 regarding his supposed heroin overdose 128 00:13:18,601 --> 00:13:20,472 at the Rock 'N' Roll Circus, 129 00:13:20,646 --> 00:13:24,346 with its altruistic bouncers and-or drug dealers 130 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,525 apparently having transported his body across town to his Paris flat, 131 00:13:29,699 --> 00:13:34,530 the more I found myself with infinitely more questions than answers. 132 00:13:39,970 --> 00:13:44,975 For this docuseries, I traveled across the United States several times. 133 00:13:45,149 --> 00:13:47,325 I contacted nearly a thousand people 134 00:13:47,499 --> 00:13:50,720 and interviewed hundreds who are connected to Jim. 135 00:13:55,899 --> 00:13:58,771 So while I ultimately may not prove anything, 136 00:13:58,946 --> 00:14:02,297 it's my goal to leave you, my fellow detectives, 137 00:14:02,471 --> 00:14:05,213 with enough scenarios and evidence 138 00:14:05,387 --> 00:14:08,912 to form your own opinions and draw your own conclusions. 139 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,610 But a word of advice: 140 00:14:11,784 --> 00:14:15,571 Never take anyone or anything at face value. 141 00:14:15,745 --> 00:14:19,618 And that includes the face of a ghost. 142 00:14:22,621 --> 00:14:25,450 So, and that's how he shows up as deceased. 143 00:14:26,582 --> 00:14:28,845 Because the last name is spelled incorrectly. 144 00:14:29,019 --> 00:14:30,934 That's totally possible. 145 00:14:31,674 --> 00:14:36,287 Following nearly a year of positive and friendly communication 146 00:14:36,461 --> 00:14:38,507 with Morrison insiders 147 00:14:38,681 --> 00:14:41,945 regarding potential interviews for this documentary, 148 00:14:42,119 --> 00:14:46,384 including some of the most high profile figures related to The Doors, 149 00:14:46,558 --> 00:14:52,216 one by one, like dominoes, nearly two dozen stopped speaking with me. 150 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:58,309 I thought it was strange that each of them went radio silent around the same time... 151 00:14:59,223 --> 00:15:06,013 until much later, when I learned the usual suspects had shut down my talks. 152 00:15:06,187 --> 00:15:10,756 And to add to the film noir-like air that reeked of collusion, 153 00:15:10,931 --> 00:15:16,719 that particular information was imparted to me by my movie's very own Deep Throat, 154 00:15:16,893 --> 00:15:20,462 who prefaced their ironclad evidence with the telling phrase: 155 00:15:20,636 --> 00:15:25,554 "You didn't hear this from me." 156 00:15:31,168 --> 00:15:35,738 Initially, this docuseries was completed in late 2016, 157 00:15:35,912 --> 00:15:41,657 but a sudden and unexpected development took my search for Jim Morrison, the person, 158 00:15:41,831 --> 00:15:45,530 on a surreal trip I never could have imagined. 159 00:15:53,495 --> 00:15:58,152 The Facebook page for Before the End was the early headquarters for my project 160 00:15:58,326 --> 00:16:02,460 before it was tainted by the obligatory haters and trolls. 161 00:16:02,634 --> 00:16:06,073 Nevertheless, I'll always be grateful for the true believers 162 00:16:06,247 --> 00:16:11,252 who supported my vision with their patience, understanding and good humor. 163 00:16:13,210 --> 00:16:16,518 A follower of my Before the End Facebook page 164 00:16:16,692 --> 00:16:21,610 saw a post on my personal Facebook page that I had made public. 165 00:16:21,784 --> 00:16:26,354 The person who I didn't know liked and shared my post. 166 00:16:28,617 --> 00:16:33,274 When I checked out the stranger's profile photo, it was surreal: 167 00:16:33,448 --> 00:16:38,931 a picture that was cropped, revealing only half his face. 168 00:16:39,106 --> 00:16:43,284 I opened the photo and the image I saw haunted me. 169 00:16:48,506 --> 00:16:52,467 The right side of the photo showed someone I was very familiar with, 170 00:16:52,641 --> 00:16:56,166 John Densmore, the drummer of The Doors. 171 00:16:56,340 --> 00:17:01,084 And on the other side was a man who looked to be in his 70s. 172 00:17:01,258 --> 00:17:03,347 I recognized his face. 173 00:17:03,521 --> 00:17:07,612 Was this the man I'd been researching for over half my life? 174 00:17:08,135 --> 00:17:11,964 Could this be Jim Morrison? 175 00:17:18,928 --> 00:17:21,365 Skeptical that it might be a hoax, 176 00:17:21,539 --> 00:17:25,848 I took the images to Cheryl Bombaugh, my private investigator, 177 00:17:26,022 --> 00:17:30,331 to trust in her professionally trained eye and objective opinion. 178 00:17:30,505 --> 00:17:34,683 My cases vary a lot, but I've never had a case, you know, at all like this. 179 00:17:34,857 --> 00:17:37,729 I mean, the guy doesn't have a wrinkle on his face. 180 00:17:37,903 --> 00:17:39,427 - Right. - You know? 181 00:17:39,601 --> 00:17:42,908 And his eyes do resemble Jim's, I think. 182 00:17:43,083 --> 00:17:45,215 Just the way they look. 183 00:17:45,389 --> 00:17:48,827 I know that they're not the same color, because Jim's eyes are blue. 184 00:17:58,968 --> 00:18:00,361 Um... 185 00:18:00,709 --> 00:18:02,667 I don't know. I don't even know what to say. 186 00:18:02,841 --> 00:18:06,410 I mean, I really could be led either way. 187 00:18:08,412 --> 00:18:10,806 Armed with this information, 188 00:18:10,980 --> 00:18:16,377 I went home and began digging deeper into the man I nicknamed Frank X. 189 00:18:16,551 --> 00:18:19,510 I was intrigued to learn he was Facebook friends 190 00:18:19,684 --> 00:18:22,644 with a number of Morrison and Doors-related people, 191 00:18:22,818 --> 00:18:26,561 some of them insiders, including Julia Negron, 192 00:18:26,735 --> 00:18:29,477 Doors drummer John Densmore's ex-wife, 193 00:18:29,651 --> 00:18:32,958 Tony Funches, Jim's former bodyguard, 194 00:18:33,133 --> 00:18:37,659 and Hervé Muller, one of the few friends Jim made 195 00:18:37,833 --> 00:18:40,227 during his brief time in Paris. 196 00:18:40,836 --> 00:18:45,101 I was enticed by Frank's scant Facebook photos, 197 00:18:45,275 --> 00:18:49,061 so I messaged him because I suspected he was Jim. 198 00:18:50,019 --> 00:18:54,502 And to my surprise, six days later, he replied. 199 00:18:54,676 --> 00:19:00,508 He told me he shared the same love for The Doors and Jim's music and poetry. 200 00:19:01,770 --> 00:19:06,035 Then Frank joked about bumping into The Doors at the Eastman Theatre 201 00:19:06,209 --> 00:19:09,995 in Rochester, New York in 1968. 202 00:19:10,692 --> 00:19:15,044 So I asked if he'd send me another photo of himself from when he was younger. 203 00:19:15,218 --> 00:19:20,876 He said he would look around, but then he went dark on Facebook for a spell. 204 00:19:21,050 --> 00:19:24,793 It felt like a game of cat and mouse. 205 00:19:31,278 --> 00:19:37,240 Then Frank sent me an old photo of a signed ID card from 1978. 206 00:19:37,893 --> 00:19:43,377 In my research, I found another Frank in Syracuse, New York, 207 00:19:43,551 --> 00:19:46,858 with the same first, middle and last name. 208 00:19:47,032 --> 00:19:50,253 But he apparently died in 2015. 209 00:19:51,472 --> 00:19:57,217 I took the photos to a photo lab to see if they could be the same person 210 00:19:57,391 --> 00:19:59,523 nearly 40 years apart. 211 00:20:00,176 --> 00:20:04,093 I learned about rosacea and scarring, and was told that, 212 00:20:04,267 --> 00:20:07,488 like thinning hair, eyebrows can fade, 213 00:20:07,662 --> 00:20:09,968 but their shape remains. 214 00:20:10,142 --> 00:20:12,449 Whether or not the two Franks were the same, 215 00:20:12,623 --> 00:20:17,802 I imagined Syracuse ID Frank met Jim, perhaps at the Eastman Theater, 216 00:20:17,976 --> 00:20:21,371 and Jim made Frank an offer he couldn't refuse. 217 00:20:21,545 --> 00:20:24,069 Cheryl said, like identity theft, 218 00:20:24,244 --> 00:20:28,900 the consensual use of another's identity is known as piggybacking. 219 00:20:30,032 --> 00:20:36,473 Upon closer inspection, it appeared where Jim had a mole, Frank had a scar. 220 00:20:37,866 --> 00:20:41,913 I decided the only way to uncover what was really going on 221 00:20:42,087 --> 00:20:46,831 entailed my paying a visit to Frank X in person. 222 00:20:47,963 --> 00:20:51,662 So I enlisted Cheryl's help, and we were off. 223 00:20:51,836 --> 00:20:54,186 - Let's go find... - Let's go find Frank. 224 00:20:54,361 --> 00:20:57,451 Yeah, or as we might be referring to him, Mr. X. 225 00:20:57,625 --> 00:20:59,104 Yes, Mr. X. 226 00:21:02,107 --> 00:21:04,327 I tried to get some rest on the plane, 227 00:21:04,501 --> 00:21:09,550 but was having a difficult time because all I could see were two images. 228 00:21:09,724 --> 00:21:13,336 One was Jim's face with a mole near his nose. 229 00:21:13,989 --> 00:21:16,992 The other was Frank's face without the mole, 230 00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:20,125 but there appeared to be a small scar. 231 00:21:25,305 --> 00:21:27,524 Here it is, finally happening. 232 00:21:29,831 --> 00:21:32,921 Welcome to Syracuse, New York. 233 00:21:34,488 --> 00:21:35,880 Let's do this. 234 00:22:15,616 --> 00:22:20,360 After doing some preliminary recon, we checked into our rooms. 235 00:22:20,925 --> 00:22:26,191 The gravity of what was about to go down the following day was overwhelming. 236 00:22:26,844 --> 00:22:32,937 I have spent a better part of my life since I was 18 237 00:22:33,111 --> 00:22:36,637 searching for Jim Morrison, literally and figuratively. 238 00:22:37,725 --> 00:22:42,338 And to now be this close, it's a strange thing. 239 00:22:44,427 --> 00:22:51,129 I don't want to ever bring, you know, pain to him or Jim or anyone. 240 00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:53,393 At the same time, 241 00:22:55,307 --> 00:22:59,094 I want to share the joy in knowing that Jim survived. 242 00:23:01,226 --> 00:23:03,620 All right. Here I am. 243 00:23:06,318 --> 00:23:07,668 Somewhere in New York. 244 00:23:11,062 --> 00:23:12,934 I've, uh... I'm waiting. 245 00:23:13,108 --> 00:23:14,239 I'm now waiting. 246 00:23:16,111 --> 00:23:17,155 There we go. 247 00:23:24,554 --> 00:23:26,251 Here he is. Frank. 248 00:23:29,733 --> 00:23:30,560 Hello? 249 00:23:33,084 --> 00:23:33,955 Frank? 250 00:23:34,608 --> 00:23:35,347 Yeah. 251 00:23:35,522 --> 00:23:36,827 Hey, how are you? 252 00:23:37,001 --> 00:23:38,176 - Yeah. Okay. - Okay. 253 00:23:38,350 --> 00:23:39,351 - Thanks, man. - See you then. 254 00:23:39,526 --> 00:23:40,570 - Okay, bye. - Okay. 255 00:23:45,227 --> 00:23:46,228 Holy shit. 256 00:23:47,664 --> 00:23:49,057 Well, we're gonna meet. 257 00:23:58,022 --> 00:24:00,764 I can't believe there's a thunderstorm outside. It's amazing. 258 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,203 Riders on a storm. 259 00:24:10,774 --> 00:24:12,472 All right. 260 00:24:13,037 --> 00:24:16,388 Last interview for Before The End: Searching For Jim Morrison. 261 00:24:17,085 --> 00:24:19,827 And amazingly I call Frank, 262 00:24:21,306 --> 00:24:23,831 and he's been kind enough to allow me to do this interview. 263 00:24:24,005 --> 00:24:26,398 Frank and I have been friends on Facebook... 264 00:24:26,573 --> 00:24:32,187 I decided to throw Frank a curveball right off the bat to see if he was legit. 265 00:24:32,361 --> 00:24:35,407 Poetry was key to James Douglas Morrison. 266 00:24:35,582 --> 00:24:37,801 It would be one thing for a maintenance man 267 00:24:37,975 --> 00:24:40,325 living in middle-of-nowhere New York 268 00:24:40,500 --> 00:24:43,459 to have an appreciation of classical poets. 269 00:24:44,460 --> 00:24:49,944 But for those poets to be the exact ones Jim favored stretched credulity thin. 270 00:24:50,597 --> 00:24:56,037 And only added to an already absurd amount of growing coincidences. 271 00:24:57,604 --> 00:24:59,649 And who would you say is your favorite poet? 272 00:25:00,824 --> 00:25:02,565 I like Baudelaire. 273 00:25:02,739 --> 00:25:07,265 I don't read a lot of, uh, new poetry that I can think of. 274 00:25:08,266 --> 00:25:14,795 He said that pleasure cannot be possible without the presence of evil. 275 00:25:16,448 --> 00:25:18,668 And forgive me, whose quote was this? 276 00:25:20,757 --> 00:25:22,280 Baudelaire. 277 00:25:42,823 --> 00:25:49,438 Jim was always a reader and I think poetry or romantic in some ways and, uh... 278 00:25:50,352 --> 00:25:52,833 He had some vision, I can't imagine what. 279 00:25:54,008 --> 00:25:57,751 He wanted to commune with nature or be closer to the heavens or whatever. 280 00:25:57,925 --> 00:26:01,972 But he had me climb the tree because I was more of a handyman than he was. 281 00:26:02,146 --> 00:26:04,366 And anyway, if he could get me to do something, 282 00:26:04,540 --> 00:26:08,979 he could be on the lazy side and why not have your little brother do it? 283 00:26:09,153 --> 00:26:11,112 But I climbed high up in the tree 284 00:26:11,286 --> 00:26:14,811 and I had some nails and a hammer that I drug up in some wood 285 00:26:14,985 --> 00:26:19,120 and built him a little seat, like a little nest up in the tree. 286 00:26:19,294 --> 00:26:22,384 And he went up one day and sat there for about an hour, 287 00:26:22,558 --> 00:26:23,864 blowing in the breeze, 288 00:26:24,038 --> 00:26:27,258 and I think he kind of gave up on that 289 00:26:27,432 --> 00:26:31,741 as being that romantic and inspirational or whatever he was, 290 00:26:31,915 --> 00:26:33,569 and I don't think he ever used it again. 291 00:26:33,743 --> 00:26:35,658 He read voraciously. 292 00:26:36,790 --> 00:26:40,489 He dragged his books around with him when they moved. 293 00:26:40,663 --> 00:26:46,190 He read far more challenging books than were required in his classes 294 00:26:46,364 --> 00:26:50,368 and sometimes his teachers were amazed at the stuff he said he had read, 295 00:26:50,542 --> 00:26:53,067 and then to find that he actually had read 296 00:26:53,241 --> 00:26:56,287 and could carry on an intelligent conversation about it. 297 00:26:57,506 --> 00:27:02,119 He was known for being intellectually advanced 298 00:27:02,293 --> 00:27:06,210 anytime we got into topics like anything literature. 299 00:27:06,428 --> 00:27:08,604 It just wasn't a question, you know, 300 00:27:08,778 --> 00:27:12,477 that I think he pretty much whapped everybody else in school for that. 301 00:27:12,652 --> 00:27:13,914 He was number one. 302 00:27:14,828 --> 00:27:17,961 Obnoxious most of the time, but he was number one. 303 00:27:18,135 --> 00:27:21,356 If you're number one, you can be obnoxious about it. 304 00:27:25,012 --> 00:27:28,798 When I asked Jim's high school classmate, John Huetter, 305 00:27:28,972 --> 00:27:35,152 if Jim ever submitted writing to the student newspaper, this was his response. 306 00:27:35,936 --> 00:27:36,763 No. 307 00:27:37,589 --> 00:27:39,113 No, he thought that was... 308 00:27:40,027 --> 00:27:43,421 Heh, I'm not trying to use the term loosely, sophomoric. 309 00:27:43,595 --> 00:27:45,815 I mean, he thought that was really not interesting. 310 00:27:45,989 --> 00:27:50,646 That was something that would-be English majors did, you know. 311 00:27:50,820 --> 00:27:52,430 But yeah, I forgot about that. 312 00:27:52,604 --> 00:27:54,084 Wow, you did some research here. 313 00:27:54,258 --> 00:27:57,174 I was the editor of The Little Hatchet too. Yeah. 314 00:27:58,741 --> 00:28:03,877 Some of Jim's old friends agreed to let me interview them in the house where Jim lived 315 00:28:04,051 --> 00:28:08,533 while he attended George Washington High School in Alexandria, Virginia. 316 00:28:08,708 --> 00:28:11,275 So I headed over to meet them. 317 00:28:20,371 --> 00:28:23,635 I followed the four of them down to Jim's former bedroom, 318 00:28:23,810 --> 00:28:25,986 which occupied the entire basement of the house. 319 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,814 I'll just fall down for dramatic effect. 320 00:28:27,988 --> 00:28:29,163 Yeah, right. 321 00:28:30,730 --> 00:28:33,123 We shared a stair narrower than this. 322 00:28:33,297 --> 00:28:35,038 Now, look at this, Jim. 323 00:28:35,212 --> 00:28:37,171 - I mean, it's all open. - Oh, my God. 324 00:28:37,345 --> 00:28:40,827 - Yeah. Where are all the books? - Jesus. 325 00:28:42,002 --> 00:28:44,526 - Trying to remember what it looked like. - I remember that. 326 00:28:44,700 --> 00:28:51,489 This door here, it was open for anybody to come in. But this is where everybody came in. 327 00:28:53,230 --> 00:28:55,276 And doors were open. It was open for anybody. 328 00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:57,887 That's the only way I ever came in was through that door. 329 00:28:58,061 --> 00:28:59,759 - Exactly. - I was never upstairs. 330 00:28:59,933 --> 00:29:01,978 I was just gonna ask you, did you guys generally 331 00:29:02,152 --> 00:29:04,851 enter and exit through the exterior door? 332 00:29:05,025 --> 00:29:08,158 - Yeah. That was it. - That was the way to get in. 333 00:29:08,332 --> 00:29:10,770 - And so did Jim. - Yeah. 334 00:29:11,509 --> 00:29:13,207 Yeah. It's true. 335 00:29:13,381 --> 00:29:15,687 So he was pretty much free to come and go as he wanted. 336 00:29:15,862 --> 00:29:17,820 Jim, this is how he came and-- 337 00:29:18,516 --> 00:29:20,214 You know, came and went from the house. 338 00:29:20,388 --> 00:29:22,216 - He was on foot most of the time. - Yeah. 339 00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:25,045 This was like his apartment, if you really think about it. 340 00:29:25,219 --> 00:29:27,699 I don't know how much time he spent upstairs at all. 341 00:29:27,874 --> 00:29:29,614 This place was full of books. 342 00:29:29,789 --> 00:29:31,965 - It was all books. - Had a lot of books. That's for sure. 343 00:29:32,139 --> 00:29:33,967 - And he read every one of them. - Yeah. 344 00:29:34,141 --> 00:29:35,795 So we go to the bookstore. 345 00:29:35,969 --> 00:29:37,579 Everybody says, "Jim." 346 00:29:37,753 --> 00:29:39,886 Go to another bookstore. "Hey, Jim." 347 00:29:40,060 --> 00:29:43,280 - Everybody knows this guy in the bookstores, you know? - Yeah. 348 00:29:43,454 --> 00:29:48,068 And a few little taverns and mostly coffee shops. 349 00:29:48,242 --> 00:29:50,679 Yeah, there were liquor stores there and bookstores there. 350 00:29:50,853 --> 00:29:52,986 He drank. Now, 351 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,641 I saw him drink half a fifth of whiskey one night down in my basement. 352 00:29:57,164 --> 00:29:59,035 And I mean... 353 00:29:59,209 --> 00:30:01,124 you know, and then a few minutes later... 354 00:30:01,298 --> 00:30:03,126 like that, you know, and then it was like... 355 00:30:03,300 --> 00:30:05,346 He drank out of the bottle. 356 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,565 How many people drank out of the bottle when we were in high school? 357 00:30:07,739 --> 00:30:08,828 - You know? - Well... 358 00:30:09,567 --> 00:30:11,439 Yeah. 359 00:30:11,613 --> 00:30:14,137 Well, he would come over, I had an art studio in my basement, 360 00:30:14,311 --> 00:30:18,533 and he'd come over there and I had this huge piece of canvas I tied across the room 361 00:30:18,707 --> 00:30:23,059 and he would sit there and look at this canvas 362 00:30:23,233 --> 00:30:25,670 and then he would get some paint and get up and... 363 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,935 he would start putting these Oriental designs on it. 364 00:30:29,109 --> 00:30:30,762 It's what he said. 365 00:30:30,937 --> 00:30:34,288 He tried to convince me that he could write Japanese. 366 00:30:35,245 --> 00:30:37,378 That's so Morrison. 367 00:30:37,552 --> 00:30:39,597 He had this one picture that he made it over and over and over again 368 00:30:39,771 --> 00:30:43,993 and it really made-- I just thought this was the best. 369 00:30:44,167 --> 00:30:48,171 It was Christ on the cross and of course he looked like a shmoo. 370 00:30:49,085 --> 00:30:53,960 And below him were these Roman soldiers with beers. 371 00:30:54,874 --> 00:30:56,484 You know? 372 00:30:56,658 --> 00:30:58,529 And they're like, glug, glug, glug, and pointing... 373 00:30:58,703 --> 00:31:00,096 And there's, you know-- 374 00:31:00,270 --> 00:31:03,621 And I thought, "That's fabulous." You know? 375 00:31:03,795 --> 00:31:07,060 Only Morrison could take something that... 376 00:31:07,887 --> 00:31:12,413 - Sacred. - Yeah, thank you, sacred, and make it funny. 377 00:31:12,587 --> 00:31:16,591 And I just thought, "This guy's really out there." 378 00:31:16,765 --> 00:31:19,463 - Well, I'm interested in seeing this picture of Morrison. - Yeah. 379 00:31:19,637 --> 00:31:21,770 Yeah, should we do it? You want to do the honors? 380 00:31:21,944 --> 00:31:23,903 You do it. You've got it. I mean... 381 00:31:24,077 --> 00:31:25,165 Yeah. 382 00:31:28,820 --> 00:31:31,388 - And there it is. - You've had it all these years. 383 00:31:31,562 --> 00:31:33,956 Yeah, all these years. 384 00:31:36,872 --> 00:31:40,006 It's kind of, once again, the Christ thing, you know? 385 00:31:40,180 --> 00:31:43,531 - Yeah. - With his little joke, Christ on the cross. 386 00:31:45,663 --> 00:31:51,800 Now, Jim, can you describe for us how you came into possession of the painting? 387 00:31:51,974 --> 00:31:56,326 Well, Morrison was going to throw it out, and he tossed it out here in the... 388 00:31:57,023 --> 00:31:58,546 Where's the garage? 389 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,765 I think there was a garage out here at the time. 390 00:32:00,940 --> 00:32:03,681 The garage? Yeah, there was, in the back. 391 00:32:03,855 --> 00:32:07,337 You know, he was going to throw it out, and I retrieved it. 392 00:32:07,511 --> 00:32:12,603 And, you know, I'm going to take this home and, you know, save it. 393 00:32:12,777 --> 00:32:15,084 And he's like, "I don't care what you do with it." 394 00:32:15,693 --> 00:32:17,565 You know, "I don't want it." 395 00:32:17,739 --> 00:32:19,523 So, um, that's what happened. 396 00:32:20,133 --> 00:32:23,919 But the thing about Jim in high school is, compared to most of us, 397 00:32:24,398 --> 00:32:26,922 he was in the here and now, you know? 398 00:32:27,096 --> 00:32:32,362 When you would encounter him, some of the time, there was this presence about him. 399 00:32:32,536 --> 00:32:37,150 And here we were just trying to belong and feel like we were cool. 400 00:32:37,324 --> 00:32:39,804 And Jim was in another space altogether. 401 00:32:39,979 --> 00:32:42,546 - He didn't care if you were there. - He did not care. 402 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:47,508 Like I said earlier, when Morrison said, "I'm gonna do this," I knew he would do it. 403 00:32:48,639 --> 00:32:52,078 You know, and a lot of other people thought he was just joking. 404 00:32:52,252 --> 00:32:56,082 Yeah, the railing over the Potomac, by the Potomac at Hains Point, 405 00:32:56,256 --> 00:32:58,867 - he would get up and walk on that railing. - No kidding. 406 00:32:59,041 --> 00:33:01,913 And of course, if you fell off, 407 00:33:02,088 --> 00:33:06,005 because the wall comes straight up and then there's a railing 408 00:33:06,179 --> 00:33:08,398 so you don't fall into the river, 409 00:33:08,572 --> 00:33:12,359 and he'd get up and walk on it, and if you did fall into it, you were history. 410 00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:16,406 If he had fallen off left, he would have gone down many, many feet, 411 00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:18,843 we'd have never been able to get him out ourselves, I don't think. 412 00:33:19,018 --> 00:33:21,020 No. 413 00:33:21,629 --> 00:33:26,634 He would switch gears from this very solemn somber demeanor. He'd switch gears, right? 414 00:33:26,808 --> 00:33:30,029 You could tell when he was gonna switch gears, "Uh-oh, what's he gonna do?" 415 00:33:30,203 --> 00:33:31,987 - Right. That's true. - Next thing you know, 416 00:33:32,161 --> 00:33:34,555 he's jumped up on something, he's performing. 417 00:33:34,729 --> 00:33:38,776 He liked to take risks. Basically, he was a show-off, if he could get an audience. 418 00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:41,736 You know, you could see where this was gonna go eventually. 419 00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:44,521 I always thought his IQ was so much higher. 420 00:33:44,695 --> 00:33:47,698 I mean, like you said, he's different. It was just a different level. 421 00:33:47,872 --> 00:33:49,439 So maybe it was that whole... 422 00:33:50,353 --> 00:33:51,876 ball of wax. 423 00:33:52,051 --> 00:33:53,748 - I think he escaped into that stuff. - Right. 424 00:33:53,922 --> 00:33:56,316 And so he escapes into literature 425 00:33:56,490 --> 00:34:00,102 and becomes the characters he's reading about and tries it out. 426 00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:04,367 But I discovered this guy Huxley. 427 00:34:04,541 --> 00:34:08,067 I said, "Jim, you really ought to read this book, Brave New World, you know? 428 00:34:08,241 --> 00:34:10,417 This guy is a real-- And some of his other stuff." 429 00:34:10,591 --> 00:34:13,811 And he was kind of taken aback that I suggested something to him 430 00:34:13,985 --> 00:34:16,075 - that he wasn't as familiar with. - Oh, man. 431 00:34:16,249 --> 00:34:19,426 Every so often, I was curious about what he thought about stuff. 432 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,211 And so I was trying to move a conversation-- 433 00:34:22,385 --> 00:34:28,826 Maybe you were the genesis for the name "The Doors," because Aldous Huxley wrote something-- 434 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,481 - Well, The Doors of Perception. - The Doors of Perception. 435 00:34:31,655 --> 00:34:35,224 - They were some essays about mescaline and peyote. - Yeah. Right. 436 00:34:35,398 --> 00:34:37,444 But "The Doors," that all came out of Blake. 437 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,626 Oh, yeah, yeah, "The Doors," the expression comes from Blake. 438 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,758 - It comes from Blake. - Right. That's true. 439 00:34:47,932 --> 00:34:49,717 - Who knows? - Yeah. Yeah. 440 00:34:51,458 --> 00:34:56,202 The conversation turned to the topic of Jim's first girlfriend, Tandy Martin, 441 00:34:56,376 --> 00:35:01,337 who I believed held one of the keys to understanding him as a real person. 442 00:35:02,033 --> 00:35:04,471 Did he ever have a date that you know of? 443 00:35:04,645 --> 00:35:05,646 Other than Tandy? 444 00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:06,951 - Well, Tandy. - Yeah. 445 00:35:09,258 --> 00:35:12,131 He didn't date anybody that I know. 446 00:35:12,305 --> 00:35:15,395 With Tandy, I don't know what kind of a relationship it was, but... 447 00:35:15,569 --> 00:35:17,658 - According to her, it wasn't much. - Is that right? 448 00:35:17,832 --> 00:35:19,573 - They were friends. - Yeah. 449 00:35:19,747 --> 00:35:23,968 I remember having a conversation with Tandy about Jim's future, 450 00:35:24,143 --> 00:35:28,669 and she was certain that he was going to become something bigger than life. 451 00:35:29,322 --> 00:35:32,020 And I said, "Yeah. He's going to be in prison." 452 00:35:33,152 --> 00:35:33,935 You know? 453 00:35:34,109 --> 00:35:36,242 And she got really upset. 454 00:35:36,416 --> 00:35:39,332 "No, no, no. He's not going to go to prison." 455 00:35:39,506 --> 00:35:41,203 I said, "Yes, he is. He's going to jail." 456 00:35:41,377 --> 00:35:42,944 And I believed it. 457 00:35:43,118 --> 00:35:45,164 - I thought, "This guy's a nutcase." - Yeah. 458 00:35:45,338 --> 00:35:48,950 "He's capable of doing anything, and it'll probably land him in jail." 459 00:35:49,646 --> 00:35:52,649 What are your takes on Jim and Tandy? 460 00:35:53,607 --> 00:35:58,655 I think she liked Jim a good bit, but I think he liked her a lot more. 461 00:35:58,829 --> 00:36:02,224 You know, because Tandy just jerked people around, men. 462 00:36:02,398 --> 00:36:03,486 She just... 463 00:36:04,008 --> 00:36:05,184 That's what she did. 464 00:36:05,836 --> 00:36:07,360 Tandy was no fool. 465 00:36:07,534 --> 00:36:08,752 She was well-read. 466 00:36:09,971 --> 00:36:12,669 That was why Tandy, I think, had such an effect on him. 467 00:36:12,843 --> 00:36:17,065 Because, you know, he couldn't control her. 468 00:36:17,544 --> 00:36:21,287 - Yeah. - Can you guys share your memories of the first time? 469 00:36:21,461 --> 00:36:27,902 Like, where were you or what was your reaction when you first heard that Jim 470 00:36:28,076 --> 00:36:30,383 had gone on and he was in The Doors. 471 00:36:30,557 --> 00:36:33,951 I wasn't surprised he got famous, but I was surprised he got famous as a singer. 472 00:36:34,691 --> 00:36:37,128 Because I saw nothing that led that way. 473 00:36:37,303 --> 00:36:39,000 - Ever. - He never sang in high school. 474 00:36:39,174 --> 00:36:40,436 - No. - Apparently not. 475 00:36:40,610 --> 00:36:42,786 - It was all literature. - Yeah. 476 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,268 Well, he did give us a couple lectures, though, about, at least twice, I think, 477 00:36:46,442 --> 00:36:48,096 about he was going to be famous someday. 478 00:36:48,270 --> 00:36:49,489 - Well... - Oh, yeah. 479 00:36:49,663 --> 00:36:51,099 - But that's... - Yeah, right, right. 480 00:36:51,273 --> 00:36:53,057 Didn't want to have anything to do with us. 481 00:36:53,232 --> 00:36:55,234 He did. He did. I remember that. 482 00:36:55,408 --> 00:36:57,671 You have to figure out whether you're going to take him seriously 483 00:36:57,845 --> 00:37:00,630 when he says stuff like that, or whether he's just putting you on. 484 00:37:00,804 --> 00:37:02,893 - And I never knew. - Yeah, yeah. 485 00:37:03,067 --> 00:37:05,113 I guess I had a reaction somewhat like yours. 486 00:37:05,287 --> 00:37:07,637 You know, the guy was capable of anything. 487 00:37:07,811 --> 00:37:09,291 - Music? - Yeah. 488 00:37:09,465 --> 00:37:11,554 - Go figure. - Yeah. 489 00:37:11,728 --> 00:37:16,385 But the thing that really blows my mind is you guys, apparently, you, 490 00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:19,432 upon learning of his alleged death, 491 00:37:19,606 --> 00:37:22,826 each of you, is that correct, that each of you thought right then and there 492 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,872 that, "Oh, no, he may have faked it"? 493 00:37:25,046 --> 00:37:28,049 Because those rumors didn't really start to trickle down 494 00:37:28,223 --> 00:37:31,574 to the public until, you know, a little later. 495 00:37:32,575 --> 00:37:34,316 So is that correct that that was--? 496 00:37:34,490 --> 00:37:35,752 - Absolutely. - That's correct. 497 00:37:35,926 --> 00:37:36,927 - Absolutely. - Yeah. 498 00:37:37,101 --> 00:37:39,103 That's amazing. 499 00:37:39,278 --> 00:37:42,455 Because nobody else in high school talked about disappearing, 500 00:37:42,629 --> 00:37:44,195 taking on another life and stuff. 501 00:37:44,370 --> 00:37:45,893 We were all like, huh? 502 00:37:46,154 --> 00:37:48,417 So and then to have him actually do it, 503 00:37:48,591 --> 00:37:52,247 because if anybody in the world could do this or would do it... 504 00:37:52,421 --> 00:37:54,597 Well, he was smart enough with that-- 505 00:37:54,771 --> 00:37:57,252 Think about it with that intelligence. 506 00:37:57,426 --> 00:38:01,952 Maybe he figured out a way so that all those French police documents looked bonafide. 507 00:38:02,953 --> 00:38:05,042 And, uh, he slipped away. 508 00:38:05,216 --> 00:38:10,004 At least once he talked about how neat it would be to, like, 509 00:38:10,178 --> 00:38:13,703 disappear and become a whole different person and all this stuff. 510 00:38:13,877 --> 00:38:16,184 - Didn't he? - That doesn't surprise me. 511 00:38:16,358 --> 00:38:21,189 Yeah, well, that's exactly right, because I figured he'd... I wasn't the only one. 512 00:38:21,363 --> 00:38:25,889 I figured he'd faked the whole situation and he was gone for a number of reasons. 513 00:38:26,063 --> 00:38:28,283 A lot of people felt that way. 514 00:38:28,892 --> 00:38:32,026 First of all, he'd just been convicted in Florida 515 00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,289 and he was facing a six-month sentence 516 00:38:34,463 --> 00:38:37,336 and he was on appeals. 517 00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:41,383 If that wasn't successful, then he was in jail. 518 00:38:41,557 --> 00:38:44,995 But mainly, I think he didn't like, I thought at the time, 519 00:38:45,169 --> 00:38:49,173 and I have absolutely nothing to base this on other than my recollection from high school, 520 00:38:49,348 --> 00:38:53,352 he didn't like his lifestyle and he wanted to disappear 521 00:38:53,526 --> 00:38:55,571 and do something else. 522 00:38:55,745 --> 00:38:58,444 And he said stuff in high school about doing that very thing. 523 00:38:58,618 --> 00:39:01,142 - He talked about doing that very thing. - Yes. 524 00:39:01,316 --> 00:39:03,318 Yes. Yes, he did. 525 00:39:03,492 --> 00:39:07,278 All I know is if anybody in the world could have done it, pulled it off, 526 00:39:07,453 --> 00:39:09,759 - I think it would have been him. - Absolutely. 527 00:39:09,933 --> 00:39:13,720 It wouldn't surprise me today to learn that he'd gone over there to fake his death. 528 00:39:13,894 --> 00:39:16,592 Unfortunately for him, in the intervening time, 529 00:39:16,766 --> 00:39:20,901 - he died before he got to pull it off. - Yeah. 530 00:39:21,423 --> 00:39:24,121 That wouldn't surprise me at all, but I don't think he's alive. 531 00:39:24,295 --> 00:39:25,775 This is when we need Tandy around, 532 00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:27,951 because she might have some insight. 533 00:39:28,125 --> 00:39:31,520 - She might. - Did Tandy have any role in this conflict? 534 00:39:31,694 --> 00:39:34,349 Tandy was always a... She's like a ghost in this whole thing. 535 00:39:34,871 --> 00:39:37,004 I couldn't figure out how he died. 536 00:39:38,266 --> 00:39:41,748 He's supposedly in a bathtub, right, with a smile on his face. 537 00:39:41,922 --> 00:39:44,968 But... of what? 538 00:39:46,013 --> 00:39:49,973 - How do you die when you're-- - I think he died of a drug overdose. 539 00:39:50,147 --> 00:39:54,151 Well, you don't die of a heart attack and look like that when you're 27 years old. 540 00:39:54,325 --> 00:39:56,153 Well, does anybody know how he looked? 541 00:39:57,416 --> 00:40:00,157 You know, there's this shroud of secrecy. 542 00:40:00,331 --> 00:40:02,508 There was no autopsy, right? 543 00:40:02,682 --> 00:40:07,948 And so this has been analyzed and analyzed and analyzed forever, right? 544 00:40:08,122 --> 00:40:09,471 - No one knows. - Yeah. 545 00:40:17,218 --> 00:40:22,441 As I left Jim's Alexandria-era home, I reflected upon what his friends said. 546 00:40:23,354 --> 00:40:28,229 Tandy Martin's name kept appearing in regard to Jim's high school years in Virginia. 547 00:40:28,403 --> 00:40:33,190 I'd reached out to speak with her, but she agreed to only appear via cameo. 548 00:40:36,455 --> 00:40:42,722 During my research, I found in the 1980 Morrison biography, No One Here Gets Out Alive, 549 00:40:42,896 --> 00:40:48,118 that Tandy was referenced as someone to whom Jim hinted at a dark secret. 550 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:53,907 Tandy and her mother went so far as to take Jim to talk with a youth minister 551 00:40:54,081 --> 00:40:57,127 at the nearby Westminster Presbyterian Church. 552 00:40:57,780 --> 00:41:00,957 But it's unclear if Jim and the minister actually met. 553 00:41:05,396 --> 00:41:07,094 Further complicating matters, 554 00:41:07,268 --> 00:41:09,749 Linda Ashcroft, one of Jim's lovers 555 00:41:09,923 --> 00:41:12,969 during the late 1960s and early '70s, 556 00:41:13,143 --> 00:41:18,366 published a 1997 book called Wild Child: Life with Jim Morrison. 557 00:41:20,542 --> 00:41:24,154 The book alleged Jim had been sexually abused by his father, 558 00:41:24,328 --> 00:41:28,028 apparently in part, during his time in Alexandria. 559 00:41:30,117 --> 00:41:35,078 Although the molestation was said to have begun years earlier when Jim was a small boy, 560 00:41:37,211 --> 00:41:40,997 Incidentally, the first edition of Wild Child was quickly censored 561 00:41:41,171 --> 00:41:45,698 and copies destroyed after Jim's parents sued Ashcroft's publisher. 562 00:41:47,177 --> 00:41:51,660 The book later reappeared with the chapter in question expunged. 563 00:41:53,096 --> 00:41:54,445 Given all this, 564 00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:56,360 my plan was to locate and interview 565 00:41:56,535 --> 00:41:59,581 Linda Ashcroft in an effort to learn more. 566 00:42:07,023 --> 00:42:10,200 Well, I like Artificial Paradise. 567 00:42:12,768 --> 00:42:15,641 Uh, I like interviews because... 568 00:42:18,078 --> 00:42:21,385 Well, I like Artificial Paradise. 569 00:42:23,866 --> 00:42:26,782 Uh, I like interviews because... 570 00:42:29,350 --> 00:42:32,396 - I like interviews because... - Well, I like Artificial Paradise. 571 00:42:51,285 --> 00:42:53,809 Back with Jim's classmate, John Huetter, 572 00:42:53,983 --> 00:42:56,159 I asked which books Jim would buy 573 00:42:56,333 --> 00:43:00,424 or permanently borrow from bookstores or libraries. 574 00:43:01,730 --> 00:43:06,039 Like Céline, uh, French poets, 575 00:43:06,213 --> 00:43:10,739 Baudelaire maybe even, is that Flowers of Evil? Yeah. 576 00:43:18,529 --> 00:43:22,272 Flowers of Evil, I just kind of scanned that before 577 00:43:22,446 --> 00:43:25,319 and I'm getting ready to read that again... 578 00:43:26,755 --> 00:43:28,670 ...which is obviously about, uh... 579 00:43:31,368 --> 00:43:32,413 opium. 580 00:43:34,023 --> 00:43:37,374 As Frank continued to expound uponFlowers of Evil, 581 00:43:37,548 --> 00:43:41,944 he shocked me once again with a turn to a different subject, 582 00:43:42,118 --> 00:43:46,209 one near and dear to Jim, his college sweetheart. 583 00:43:47,907 --> 00:43:50,997 And this time, Frank was asking the questions. 584 00:43:51,867 --> 00:43:54,478 Not to pick the book up, never pick the book up. 585 00:43:54,653 --> 00:43:57,830 I was concerned, if you want me to bring it up, 586 00:43:58,004 --> 00:44:02,095 about his girlfriend that he sent there from Florida. 587 00:44:02,791 --> 00:44:04,793 And what happened with that? 588 00:44:04,967 --> 00:44:08,014 I mean, why would he send his girlfriend all the way from Florida? 589 00:44:08,188 --> 00:44:11,713 And then, well, I guess she couldn't put up with all the... 590 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,588 ...you know, everything he was doing. 591 00:44:17,763 --> 00:44:19,721 You're talking about Mary Werbelow? 592 00:44:19,982 --> 00:44:21,549 - Yeah. - Right. 593 00:44:21,723 --> 00:44:25,161 Yeah, I'm very interested in what happened to her. 594 00:44:25,335 --> 00:44:27,903 And you said she kind of went down the tubes. 595 00:44:28,077 --> 00:44:30,079 She's got a-- I mean, I met with her. 596 00:44:30,253 --> 00:44:33,387 She lives in a mobile home facility in L.A. 597 00:44:33,561 --> 00:44:38,087 Was she-- Did she want to talk about him at all? 598 00:44:38,261 --> 00:44:40,524 She did. She talked at great length. 599 00:44:40,699 --> 00:44:44,050 We talked for like three and a half, four hours that day. It was incredible. 600 00:44:44,224 --> 00:44:47,270 And said she was gonna do an interview, then she wasn't, then she was, 601 00:44:47,444 --> 00:44:49,446 and she went back and forth for quite a while. 602 00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:51,492 What did you think of her as a person? 603 00:44:51,666 --> 00:44:55,061 I thought she was wonderful, but I also was, you know... 604 00:44:55,235 --> 00:44:56,845 She was a lot older. 605 00:44:57,019 --> 00:44:59,848 Broke my heart because she has, and these are her words, 606 00:45:00,022 --> 00:45:03,896 she has multiple chemical sensitivity disorder. 607 00:45:04,070 --> 00:45:08,683 So she can't-- So she can't, you know, touch certain fabrics. 608 00:45:08,857 --> 00:45:12,078 Frank's concern for Mary Werbelow amazed me. 609 00:45:12,252 --> 00:45:14,950 I felt he knew Mary from the past. 610 00:45:15,124 --> 00:45:19,563 His feelings seemed genuine, as if she were an old lover. 611 00:45:19,738 --> 00:45:25,308 This, more than anything else, confirmed my instinct that Frank was Jim. 612 00:45:25,961 --> 00:45:30,139 No one would care and want to know so much about someone they never met 613 00:45:30,313 --> 00:45:35,928 unless they had met and knew each other intimately long ago. 614 00:45:36,102 --> 00:45:39,105 Hi. It's Mary Werbelow. 615 00:46:06,219 --> 00:46:10,571 Mary was later, quite a few years later, that he met down at St. Petersburg. 616 00:46:10,745 --> 00:46:12,616 I think it was at the junior college. 617 00:46:14,357 --> 00:46:18,187 And she came out to California, and I guess they... 618 00:46:19,493 --> 00:46:22,017 went different directions after a while. 619 00:46:22,191 --> 00:46:23,889 But they were tight. 620 00:46:24,498 --> 00:46:26,979 I knew that Jim was in Florida. 621 00:46:27,153 --> 00:46:29,459 I knew he was going to school down there. 622 00:46:29,633 --> 00:46:33,289 And I knew he was doing what he always said he wanted to do, 623 00:46:33,463 --> 00:46:36,205 was something to do with movie making. 624 00:46:36,379 --> 00:46:39,121 And so, I mean, I knew he had gone to do that. 625 00:46:40,819 --> 00:46:42,951 So what happened? 626 00:46:43,125 --> 00:46:47,347 How come my parents or the state or the university didn't look ahead? 627 00:46:48,087 --> 00:46:54,180 In September 1961, Jim began classes at St. Petersburg Junior College, 628 00:46:54,354 --> 00:46:57,052 to which he commuted via city bus. 629 00:46:57,226 --> 00:47:01,317 For one year, he lived with his conservative paternal grandparents, 630 00:47:01,491 --> 00:47:04,712 Paul and Caroline Morrison, in a small house 631 00:47:04,886 --> 00:47:09,238 at 314 North Osceola Avenue in nearby Clearwater. 632 00:47:10,152 --> 00:47:14,330 While his bedroom was stacked with books, his grades were average. 633 00:47:15,070 --> 00:47:19,422 Shortly after he finished the school year in the summer of 1962, 634 00:47:19,596 --> 00:47:21,947 Jim first met Mary Werbelow 635 00:47:22,121 --> 00:47:25,211 at Pier 60 on Clearwater Beach. 636 00:47:25,428 --> 00:47:27,604 They instantly became inseparable, 637 00:47:27,778 --> 00:47:31,304 but Mary's father later banned Jim from the Werbelow home 638 00:47:31,478 --> 00:47:33,349 for reasons still unknown. 639 00:47:33,523 --> 00:47:35,743 Do you have any idea why Mary's father 640 00:47:35,917 --> 00:47:39,225 allegedly banned Jim from the Werbelow household? 641 00:47:40,966 --> 00:47:45,187 Well, probably because he didn't want her dating him. 642 00:47:47,886 --> 00:47:51,541 He didn't think he was her type, I'd say. 643 00:47:51,715 --> 00:47:53,979 Bad influence. 644 00:47:54,153 --> 00:47:57,634 When did you first meet Jim Morrison and what was your initial impression? 645 00:47:58,026 --> 00:48:00,637 I met him in the summer of 1963. 646 00:48:00,811 --> 00:48:02,901 I was teaching summer school 647 00:48:03,075 --> 00:48:06,730 and he took a course in Medieval History that I was teaching and... 648 00:48:09,603 --> 00:48:13,607 He was in the class and he came to my office one day. 649 00:48:14,434 --> 00:48:17,611 I had assigned, as part of the coursework, 650 00:48:17,785 --> 00:48:21,876 three short papers on set topics 651 00:48:22,659 --> 00:48:28,839 and he came to say that he just couldn't bear to write on those topics. 652 00:48:29,014 --> 00:48:30,885 He didn't find them interesting. 653 00:48:31,059 --> 00:48:34,802 And he wanted to do a different paper. 654 00:48:34,976 --> 00:48:42,549 And he explained to me that he was very interested in the heresy of the free spirits, 655 00:48:42,723 --> 00:48:45,944 which is a late medieval heresy. 656 00:48:46,118 --> 00:48:53,255 And he wanted to connect that heresy to the paintings of Hieronymus Bosch. 657 00:48:54,561 --> 00:48:57,564 And I thought, "Well, that's interesting and rather original." 658 00:48:57,738 --> 00:48:59,914 And I thought, "Well, why not?" 659 00:49:00,088 --> 00:49:02,961 So he wanted to write one large research paper instead of the three papers. 660 00:49:03,135 --> 00:49:05,093 So I said, "Okay." 661 00:49:05,267 --> 00:49:07,400 And then after that, he'd come in and talk to me about the paper. 662 00:49:07,574 --> 00:49:11,708 And I had to walk from my office to another building to the class. 663 00:49:11,882 --> 00:49:14,581 Sometimes he'd walk over with me and we'd talk some. 664 00:49:14,755 --> 00:49:18,019 Jim was a student at St. Pete Junior College, 665 00:49:18,193 --> 00:49:23,155 and Beaux Arts was well-known in the area 666 00:49:23,329 --> 00:49:26,897 as a center for the arts and bohemian type activities, 667 00:49:27,637 --> 00:49:31,032 which Morrison was a big fan of. 668 00:49:31,206 --> 00:49:36,211 It was actually on the off-limits list for St. Pete Junior College 669 00:49:36,385 --> 00:49:38,083 from what I understand. 670 00:49:38,257 --> 00:49:41,216 But that was probably even more of a draw for Jim to come here. 671 00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:45,090 So it was in early fall of '61 672 00:49:45,264 --> 00:49:47,266 that Morrison came here 673 00:49:48,702 --> 00:49:52,401 to Beaux Arts Coffeehouse and first met with Tom Reese. 674 00:49:52,575 --> 00:49:57,015 I was at Beaux Arts art gallery in St. Pete. 675 00:49:57,189 --> 00:50:01,671 I frequently went there because it was sort of an old-fashioned '60s coffeehouse. 676 00:50:02,107 --> 00:50:05,980 And they had an art film theater, 677 00:50:06,154 --> 00:50:08,287 a room for checkers and chess, 678 00:50:08,461 --> 00:50:12,291 a place for folk singers and poetry reading and that sort of thing. 679 00:50:13,031 --> 00:50:15,250 And Tom Reese, who was the owner of the place, 680 00:50:16,556 --> 00:50:18,384 met everybody at the front door, 681 00:50:18,558 --> 00:50:21,909 announced all the events, showed all the movies. 682 00:50:22,083 --> 00:50:23,302 So in terms of their-- 683 00:50:23,476 --> 00:50:25,521 With all due respect to both of them, 684 00:50:25,695 --> 00:50:28,394 do you know, did they have an actual relationship in that regard? 685 00:50:29,699 --> 00:50:31,353 Not that Tom would admit. 686 00:50:31,527 --> 00:50:33,921 Tom was always very elusive about that. 687 00:50:34,095 --> 00:50:38,317 And so he never admitted that to me, 688 00:50:38,491 --> 00:50:42,973 although I suspect that that may have happened. 689 00:50:43,148 --> 00:50:44,801 Uh, Morrison was young. 690 00:50:44,975 --> 00:50:49,806 Tom, at the time, probably had coerced him somehow. 691 00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:54,072 Possibly a willing partner too, I don't know. 692 00:50:54,246 --> 00:50:59,077 But, you know, it probably isn't out of the realm of possibility. 693 00:51:00,121 --> 00:51:02,732 And Tom Reese came down one day from the third floor, 694 00:51:02,906 --> 00:51:05,953 which is where everybody went to get high , 695 00:51:06,127 --> 00:51:10,697 and announced that Jim Morrison would be down in a minute 696 00:51:10,871 --> 00:51:12,916 to read some of his poetry. 697 00:51:13,091 --> 00:51:16,616 And he wanted everybody to gather around to hear the poetry reading. 698 00:51:17,138 --> 00:51:19,749 And a few minutes later, about five minutes later, 699 00:51:19,923 --> 00:51:22,143 Jim kind of sleepily came down. 700 00:51:23,405 --> 00:51:26,713 His pupils were very small and fixed. 701 00:51:27,714 --> 00:51:31,152 And he proceeded to read some of his poetry 702 00:51:31,326 --> 00:51:34,024 in a very cool, detached fashion, 703 00:51:34,590 --> 00:51:37,071 which I thought was kind of interesting. 704 00:51:37,506 --> 00:51:40,596 And that lasted about 15 minutes or so. 705 00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:42,946 And then he went back up to the third floor. 706 00:51:43,121 --> 00:51:44,513 Maybe to... 707 00:51:45,035 --> 00:51:48,082 Probably to have a smoke or something else, but... 708 00:51:49,214 --> 00:51:52,086 I understood that mostly he enjoyed heroin. 709 00:51:52,478 --> 00:51:53,957 - Heroin? - Heroin, yes. 710 00:51:54,132 --> 00:51:55,568 - Really? - Yes. 711 00:51:56,090 --> 00:51:58,745 Wow. So heroin-- Was heroin prevalent 712 00:51:58,919 --> 00:52:01,269 or easily available in Clearwater at that time? 713 00:52:01,443 --> 00:52:02,792 Apparently it was. 714 00:52:02,966 --> 00:52:05,273 I knew several other people who used it. 715 00:52:06,231 --> 00:52:11,366 He asked me if he could borrow my car since Mary was there. 716 00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:15,109 I was hesitant because I knew he didn't handle liquor well at all. 717 00:52:15,283 --> 00:52:18,286 But he said, "Look, I'm not drinking. I don't ever drink around Mary." 718 00:52:18,460 --> 00:52:21,289 And I said, "Oh, okay then." And so he did. He borrowed my car. 719 00:52:21,463 --> 00:52:26,207 And the next morning he came to my apartment to return it to me. 720 00:52:26,773 --> 00:52:30,559 Following his year at St. Petersburg Junior College, 721 00:52:30,733 --> 00:52:34,781 Jim transferred to Florida State University in Tallahassee. 722 00:52:35,956 --> 00:52:38,741 Met Jim Morrison when he was introduced to 723 00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:43,790 several of my soon-to-be roommates at Florida State University. 724 00:52:45,052 --> 00:52:49,970 We all assembled in one place to get ready to go over to the house that we had rented. 725 00:52:51,319 --> 00:52:55,018 We had five guys that I was aware of, and we had needed a sixth. 726 00:52:55,193 --> 00:52:57,456 And all I knew was Chris Kallivakos says, 727 00:52:57,630 --> 00:53:00,763 "This is the guy I want to be our sixth man. 728 00:53:00,937 --> 00:53:04,593 His name is Jim Morrison, and I knew him at junior college." 729 00:53:05,203 --> 00:53:09,337 And from that moment on, I knew Jim. 730 00:53:11,296 --> 00:53:13,689 I didn't see a whole lot wrong with him. 731 00:53:13,863 --> 00:53:21,175 Outside of that, his antics and his desire to get attention was annoying. 732 00:53:21,784 --> 00:53:25,353 We knew in no time at all that he was quite the provocateur. 733 00:53:25,614 --> 00:53:27,790 He was a very intelligent guy. 734 00:53:28,269 --> 00:53:33,883 And he was going to be very interesting, to say the least, as a roommate. 735 00:53:34,667 --> 00:53:38,105 Well, I'll tell you one thing. I caught him doing one day. 736 00:53:38,671 --> 00:53:39,976 I went into his room. 737 00:53:41,456 --> 00:53:42,892 I wasn't looking for him. 738 00:53:43,066 --> 00:53:46,200 I went into his room, and he was naked, 739 00:53:47,070 --> 00:53:50,987 squatting down over a mirror on the floor. 740 00:53:51,814 --> 00:53:53,425 And I said, "Jim, what are you doing?" 741 00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:56,254 He said, "I'm contemplating my anus." 742 00:53:58,125 --> 00:53:59,605 I said, "Your what?" 743 00:53:59,953 --> 00:54:02,782 He said, "I am contemplating my anus." 744 00:54:04,566 --> 00:54:07,787 And with that, you know, I said, "Okay." 745 00:54:08,353 --> 00:54:10,050 "I'm leaving." 746 00:54:10,224 --> 00:54:14,576 We soon discovered, however, that this talent for provocation 747 00:54:16,274 --> 00:54:19,581 was continuous, nonstop, and intense. 748 00:54:19,755 --> 00:54:21,757 That year, they were taking the census, 749 00:54:21,931 --> 00:54:24,499 and they came to that house, wanted to know who lived in that house, 750 00:54:24,673 --> 00:54:26,153 and they wanted to fill it all out. 751 00:54:26,327 --> 00:54:28,547 Well, they were interviewing me at the time, 752 00:54:28,721 --> 00:54:31,724 and I was telling them, because I answered the door, and I didn't know it, 753 00:54:31,898 --> 00:54:34,814 but Jim was behind me in the living room 754 00:54:34,988 --> 00:54:37,120 doing a handstand with no clothes on. 755 00:54:37,295 --> 00:54:41,386 His provocation of people never appeared to be 756 00:54:42,256 --> 00:54:44,519 with a mean streak involved. 757 00:54:44,693 --> 00:54:47,566 He was simply curious about people and was interested in how they might react. 758 00:54:47,740 --> 00:54:51,396 You could find Jim sometimes on a Tallahassee corner 759 00:54:52,571 --> 00:54:55,791 spewing his own poetry whether there was anybody there to listen or not. 760 00:54:55,965 --> 00:54:58,707 He would recite poetry and prose 761 00:54:59,491 --> 00:55:02,494 and anything else he wanted to. 762 00:55:02,668 --> 00:55:05,975 Sometimes he would recite it out loud 763 00:55:06,149 --> 00:55:08,978 and, um, couldn't stop him. 764 00:55:10,110 --> 00:55:13,853 He would just go on, and it didn't matter what you said or did, he wouldn't stop. 765 00:55:14,027 --> 00:55:16,334 Did Jim physically have a notebook 766 00:55:16,508 --> 00:55:20,860 in which he would record reactions to his extreme actions? 767 00:55:21,991 --> 00:55:23,819 "Notebook" is an understatement. 768 00:55:23,993 --> 00:55:28,781 He, at any given time, would have 10 to 12 notebooks going. 769 00:55:30,043 --> 00:55:33,133 He had notebooks with respect to what he was reading, 770 00:55:33,307 --> 00:55:36,615 notebooks with respect to poetry that he was trying to write, 771 00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:41,228 notebooks with respect to the classes that he was taking, 772 00:55:41,402 --> 00:55:45,711 and notebooks with respect to the goings-on each day 773 00:55:45,885 --> 00:55:49,367 within the house and within the school area. 774 00:55:49,541 --> 00:55:53,066 I have to tell you that he was extremely bright. 775 00:55:54,241 --> 00:55:57,200 Probably had an IQ close to-- 776 00:55:57,375 --> 00:56:01,466 I don't know, they say genius, you have to be 160 to be a genius, 777 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,382 but my guess is if he wasn't there, he was getting close to it. 778 00:56:05,948 --> 00:56:08,168 The thing I liked best about him 779 00:56:08,342 --> 00:56:14,261 was how rapidly he revealed the depth of his intellectual capabilities. 780 00:56:14,435 --> 00:56:17,569 It was clear that he was one of the most well-read individuals 781 00:56:17,743 --> 00:56:19,832 I've ever encountered in my life. 782 00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:25,011 Not only had he read the masters at that age, 783 00:56:25,185 --> 00:56:28,754 but he was able to quote from them frequently, 784 00:56:28,928 --> 00:56:30,843 understand them, explain them. 785 00:56:32,018 --> 00:56:35,238 He was a true intellectual, a type of person I'd never encountered before, 786 00:56:35,413 --> 00:56:38,503 and that's what I liked about him the most. 787 00:56:39,068 --> 00:56:43,638 He was an A student, English major, had a phenomenal memory. 788 00:56:43,812 --> 00:56:47,773 There was nothing he couldn't memorize first time out. If it went in, it stayed in. 789 00:56:47,947 --> 00:56:51,777 While at Florida State, Jim became a theater arts major 790 00:56:51,951 --> 00:56:56,259 and performed in his one and only stage play, The Dumb Waiter. 791 00:56:56,434 --> 00:57:00,612 The local FSU student newspaper printed a review of the play 792 00:57:00,786 --> 00:57:06,356 and even referred to Jim by his stage name, Stanislaus Boleslawski, 793 00:57:06,531 --> 00:57:09,795 a hybrid of Konstantin Stanislawski, 794 00:57:09,969 --> 00:57:12,580 the Russian creator of method acting, 795 00:57:12,754 --> 00:57:16,976 and Richard Boleslawski, the Polish film director. 796 00:57:17,150 --> 00:57:22,024 For Jim, hiding behind pseudonyms would become a recurring theme. 797 00:57:27,813 --> 00:57:30,032 Jim would interact with girls that came in 798 00:57:30,206 --> 00:57:33,558 as a result of other people's invitations and so forth, 799 00:57:33,732 --> 00:57:38,345 but he never did much in the way of generating any kind of relationships. 800 00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:42,392 And if you ask him about that, it was always, "I'm being true to Mary. 801 00:57:42,567 --> 00:57:44,699 I don't date other girls," and so forth. 802 00:57:45,395 --> 00:57:48,442 I don't think Jim was dating anybody, really, at Florida State. 803 00:57:49,356 --> 00:57:52,228 Werbelow was it, was his girlfriend. She would come up. 804 00:57:53,316 --> 00:57:56,450 But he didn't date. He didn't date anybody. 805 00:57:57,364 --> 00:58:02,587 And his relationship with Mary Werbelow was very interesting 806 00:58:04,371 --> 00:58:08,418 because it seemed like he did not find her in any way threatening, 807 00:58:08,593 --> 00:58:11,639 that she was pure from his point of view. 808 00:58:14,033 --> 00:58:16,470 Pure girl, so to speak, 809 00:58:16,644 --> 00:58:20,692 that he had no reason to be intimidated by or feared or anything else. 810 00:58:20,866 --> 00:58:25,392 So they developed a real loving relationship 811 00:58:26,654 --> 00:58:28,264 that appeared 812 00:58:29,570 --> 00:58:32,791 to depend on her willingness to keep him totally at ease 813 00:58:32,965 --> 00:58:34,488 and feel non-threatened. 814 00:58:35,184 --> 00:58:36,708 So given all that, 815 00:58:38,231 --> 00:58:40,625 and it's obviously speculation, but I'm wondering, 816 00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:42,757 as you were a friend of his, 817 00:58:43,497 --> 00:58:47,849 not long after he told those two guys that he wanted to disappear, 818 00:58:48,807 --> 00:58:51,070 do you feel that's something that he was capable of, 819 00:58:51,244 --> 00:58:52,375 of faking his actual death? 820 00:58:52,550 --> 00:58:54,029 Oh, yes, I think he could. 821 00:58:54,203 --> 00:58:56,728 But the only reason that makes me... 822 00:58:59,644 --> 00:59:01,776 hesitate to think that is because of Mary. 823 00:59:01,950 --> 00:59:04,474 I really do believe that if he were still alive, 824 00:59:04,649 --> 00:59:08,087 he'd have gotten back with Mary. 825 00:59:18,619 --> 00:59:23,885 I was getting a bit dizzy from all the coincidences, so I pulled over for a break. 826 00:59:24,059 --> 00:59:28,760 I called Cheryl, who'd been doing some more digging for me, to hear what she had found. 827 00:59:28,934 --> 00:59:32,241 Hey Jeff, so I did the research you asked me to do 828 00:59:32,415 --> 00:59:34,722 regarding Jim's Social Security number, 829 00:59:34,896 --> 00:59:38,117 and I think you're gonna be surprised by what I found. 830 00:59:38,291 --> 00:59:40,685 - What is it? - Well, Jim Morrison's 831 00:59:40,859 --> 00:59:43,688 Social Security number, apparently is still active. 832 00:59:43,862 --> 00:59:46,299 - How? - Isn't that crazy? 833 00:59:46,473 --> 00:59:48,954 - Have you ever seen anything like this before? - No, never. 834 00:59:49,128 --> 00:59:52,784 I know it could take a while for government agencies to update their systems, 835 00:59:52,958 --> 00:59:54,655 but that was 50 years ago. 836 00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:57,092 - And there's more. - Okay. 837 00:59:57,266 --> 01:00:03,098 Jim's Social has been current as of 2014 in Rochester, New York, 838 01:00:03,272 --> 01:00:06,188 which is less than an hour from where you are now. 839 01:00:06,362 --> 01:00:07,929 Holy shit. 840 01:00:08,103 --> 01:00:09,627 - But there's even more. - Yeah? 841 01:00:09,801 --> 01:00:12,107 That guy, Frank, you were interviewing, 842 01:00:12,281 --> 01:00:15,545 according to the database, he may have two Social Security numbers. 843 01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:17,547 - Two? - I'll send it to you. 844 01:00:17,722 --> 01:00:20,202 - Seriously? - I don't know how to explain it. 845 01:00:20,376 --> 01:00:22,291 You could really be onto something. 846 01:00:24,032 --> 01:00:26,252 After hanging up with Cheryl, 847 01:00:26,426 --> 01:00:30,430 my mind was spinning about Jim Morrison's Social Security number 848 01:00:30,604 --> 01:00:32,562 still being active, 849 01:00:32,737 --> 01:00:36,610 and Frank having two Social Security numbers. 850 01:00:36,784 --> 01:00:42,877 But that paled in comparison to my shock after Cheryl sent me the actual numbers. 851 01:00:43,704 --> 01:00:50,580 Frank's second Social Security number began with the numeric sequence 127. 852 01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:54,541 This dared me to call it yet another coincidence. 853 01:00:55,281 --> 01:00:58,676 A 1989 issue of the Chicago Tribune 854 01:00:58,850 --> 01:01:02,897 reported that labeled on Pam Corson's strong box 855 01:01:03,071 --> 01:01:07,162 was the cipher "127 fascination." 856 01:01:07,336 --> 01:01:09,948 That code had never been cracked. 857 01:01:10,122 --> 01:01:14,561 My inner Sherlock was freaking out. 858 01:01:26,486 --> 01:01:32,448 ♪ Our electric friends Just pretend ♪ 859 01:01:32,622 --> 01:01:37,627 ♪ Our electric friends Just pre-- ♪ 860 01:01:50,945 --> 01:01:56,734 ♪ Tell me again why, where, when ♪ 861 01:01:56,908 --> 01:02:02,870 ♪ Should I delete Or hit send? ♪ 862 01:02:03,044 --> 01:02:08,746 ♪ Element bend See how you trend ♪ 863 01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:14,752 ♪ Shall we deny or unfriend? ♪ 864 01:02:17,667 --> 01:02:23,456 ♪ Tell me again why, where, when ♪ 865 01:02:23,630 --> 01:02:29,418 ♪ Should I delete Or hit send? ♪ 866 01:02:29,592 --> 01:02:35,424 ♪ Goodbye last band See how you trend ♪ 867 01:02:35,598 --> 01:02:41,517 ♪ Shall we deny or unfriend? ♪ 77089

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