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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:48,414 --> 00:00:50,516 - [Answering Machine] Two new messages. 2 00:00:50,549 --> 00:00:51,351 Message one. 3 00:00:52,618 --> 00:00:54,687 - [Bernardo] Hi, Scotty, it's Bernardo. 4 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:55,855 I got your message. 5 00:00:55,888 --> 00:00:59,292 So call me any time you want to see me or get together. 6 00:00:59,325 --> 00:01:00,593 We look forward to seeing you. 7 00:01:02,761 --> 00:01:05,298 (birds chirping) 8 00:01:05,331 --> 00:01:06,799 - Bernardo took me shopping. 9 00:01:06,832 --> 00:01:10,570 I mean, I paid for it, but he took me shopping. (laughs) 10 00:01:10,603 --> 00:01:12,839 Bernardo insisted that I have a handkerchief 11 00:01:12,872 --> 00:01:14,140 for the pocket too. 12 00:01:16,876 --> 00:01:18,211 Jeez, I hope it fits. 13 00:01:21,313 --> 00:01:22,482 - [Matt] When was the last time Scotty 14 00:01:22,515 --> 00:01:23,583 was dressed like this? 15 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:25,718 - When we got married. 16 00:01:25,751 --> 00:01:28,387 (Scotty laughs) 17 00:01:28,420 --> 00:01:29,255 Hey! 18 00:01:30,689 --> 00:01:32,758 ("It had to be you" instrumental) 19 00:01:32,791 --> 00:01:35,762 - [Scotty] You look so pretty, honey. 20 00:01:43,769 --> 00:01:46,472 - This is the birthday man. 21 00:01:46,505 --> 00:01:49,675 - Happy Birthday, Scotty! - He only looks a day over 50. 22 00:01:49,708 --> 00:01:54,514 ("It had to be you" instrumental) 23 00:01:54,547 --> 00:01:57,616 - [Man] Andreas, for 40 years. 24 00:01:57,650 --> 00:01:58,885 - You're looking wonderful. 25 00:01:58,918 --> 00:02:00,686 We're talking about the Gomorrah of Hollywood. 26 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:01,553 - Talking about what? 27 00:02:01,587 --> 00:02:04,824 - [Woman] The Gomorrah of Hollywood. 28 00:02:04,857 --> 00:02:05,691 - It's amazing! 29 00:02:05,724 --> 00:02:07,293 Can you believe it? 30 00:02:07,326 --> 00:02:08,761 - He must've lived his life in a good way, 31 00:02:08,794 --> 00:02:10,396 because look at him, and he's 90 years old. 32 00:02:10,429 --> 00:02:12,732 - I'm telling you, he worked every day of his life. 33 00:02:12,765 --> 00:02:15,801 And God knows he partied, you've read his book. 34 00:02:15,834 --> 00:02:20,206 ("It Had to be You" instrumental) 35 00:02:25,578 --> 00:02:26,946 - Are you still working? 36 00:02:26,979 --> 00:02:29,615 (laughs) We wanna know if you're still working. 37 00:02:29,648 --> 00:02:30,917 - You might say that. 38 00:02:32,251 --> 00:02:33,586 - [Man] Scotty? 39 00:02:33,619 --> 00:02:35,821 Oh, Scott, where are you? 40 00:02:35,854 --> 00:02:38,357 I think there's something with your name on it over here. 41 00:02:38,390 --> 00:02:41,861 (lively instrumental music) 42 00:02:47,499 --> 00:02:48,835 - [Crowd] Yay! 43 00:02:50,436 --> 00:02:52,772 - [Man] 90 and still going! 44 00:02:55,407 --> 00:02:56,909 - Happy birthday, Scotty. - Thank you. 45 00:02:56,942 --> 00:02:58,811 That was so nice of you. 46 00:02:58,844 --> 00:02:59,946 - It wasn't until I started working 47 00:02:59,979 --> 00:03:01,414 my book on Katharine Hepburn. 48 00:03:01,447 --> 00:03:03,683 I was talking to some of the other biographers, 49 00:03:03,716 --> 00:03:04,651 and they said to me, 50 00:03:04,684 --> 00:03:05,518 "You know, there's this character out there 51 00:03:05,551 --> 00:03:07,486 "that you really should try to talk to, 52 00:03:07,519 --> 00:03:09,655 "and his name is Scotty Bowers. 53 00:03:09,688 --> 00:03:12,725 "And he had this gas station, and he, 54 00:03:12,758 --> 00:03:14,594 "you know, he supplied men and women 55 00:03:14,627 --> 00:03:15,828 "to the various Hollywood stars. 56 00:03:15,861 --> 00:03:17,530 "He knew, he knows all about that era, 57 00:03:17,563 --> 00:03:19,531 "but you know, you'll never get to talk to him." 58 00:03:19,565 --> 00:03:22,635 I began to think that maybe he was an urban legend. 59 00:03:22,668 --> 00:03:24,804 (laughs) You know, that there was no Scotty Bowers. 60 00:03:24,837 --> 00:03:27,906 (lively horn music) 61 00:03:29,041 --> 00:03:30,743 - Did you have a little black book? 62 00:03:30,776 --> 00:03:31,711 - No. - No? 63 00:03:31,744 --> 00:03:33,646 You kept it all in your head? - Yes, yes. 64 00:03:33,679 --> 00:03:35,414 - Some people have described you 65 00:03:35,447 --> 00:03:36,749 as a sort of pimp to the stairs. 66 00:03:36,782 --> 00:03:37,883 - [Scotty] Oh, yes. 67 00:03:37,916 --> 00:03:39,552 - [Anthony] In the book you say 68 00:03:39,585 --> 00:03:40,786 you were just trying to help people out. 69 00:03:40,819 --> 00:03:42,355 - Yes, I was. 70 00:03:42,388 --> 00:03:43,789 - [Anthony] But the risks, 71 00:03:43,822 --> 00:03:47,694 particularly for gay or bisexual actors, were serious. 72 00:03:49,561 --> 00:03:51,797 - [Scotty] I met Cary Grant first, then Randolph Scott. 73 00:03:51,830 --> 00:03:54,700 Back in those days, people knew they were lovers. 74 00:03:54,733 --> 00:03:55,901 - I've lost my clothes. 75 00:03:55,934 --> 00:03:58,337 - But why are you wearing these clothes? 76 00:03:58,370 --> 00:04:01,841 - Because I just went gay all of a sudden! 77 00:04:01,874 --> 00:04:05,011 - People are very invested in the establishment view 78 00:04:05,044 --> 00:04:07,613 of Hollywood movie star history, 79 00:04:07,646 --> 00:04:11,784 which Scotty's story re-tells in an honest way 80 00:04:11,817 --> 00:04:14,354 and in a way that's more true to what was going on. 81 00:04:15,754 --> 00:04:18,491 - [Scotty] 90% of jobs could be lost from being gay. 82 00:04:19,658 --> 00:04:20,793 You were in the closet, basically. 83 00:04:20,826 --> 00:04:21,994 So many people were. 84 00:04:22,027 --> 00:04:24,697 This is why what I did in the gas station 85 00:04:24,730 --> 00:04:26,699 was so nice for people. 86 00:04:26,732 --> 00:04:28,801 - You don't think this thing is gonna get around? 87 00:04:28,834 --> 00:04:30,903 You don't think everybody's gonna know about it? 88 00:04:30,936 --> 00:04:33,406 I won't even be able to show my face in Lindy's. 89 00:04:34,073 --> 00:04:35,508 - People get very angry at the idea 90 00:04:35,541 --> 00:04:37,610 of these beloved Hollywood icons 91 00:04:37,643 --> 00:04:39,512 being revealed to have secrets. 92 00:04:39,545 --> 00:04:41,914 But actually, all it is that Scotty is doing 93 00:04:41,947 --> 00:04:44,550 is revealing that these people were real. 94 00:04:44,583 --> 00:04:45,785 They were actual people. 95 00:04:45,818 --> 00:04:47,654 Flesh and blood, like us. 96 00:04:49,021 --> 00:04:51,557 - It turned out that Scotty was the center 97 00:04:51,590 --> 00:04:54,359 of a whole different alternate world. 98 00:04:54,393 --> 00:04:58,563 A world to which most of us had no access or knowledge. 99 00:04:59,865 --> 00:05:01,600 - It can add up to an awful lot of people, 100 00:05:01,633 --> 00:05:03,436 when you stop and think about it. 101 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:06,872 You would say, each day, 365 days a year. 102 00:05:06,905 --> 00:05:09,607 It's certainly into the thousands. 103 00:05:09,641 --> 00:05:10,742 And it's hard to believe a lot of people 104 00:05:10,776 --> 00:05:12,945 who've only been with two or three different people 105 00:05:12,978 --> 00:05:14,380 would never believe it. 106 00:05:15,013 --> 00:05:18,383 (slow dramatic music) 107 00:05:32,030 --> 00:05:34,866 (birds chirping) 108 00:05:43,409 --> 00:05:44,710 "Dear Scotty. 109 00:05:44,743 --> 00:05:46,445 "What a read, what a life. 110 00:05:46,478 --> 00:05:48,647 "A group of Hollywood's best writers 111 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,884 "could not have made up the life you actually lived." 112 00:05:53,085 --> 00:05:54,820 - Really gets one who doesn't like the book. 113 00:05:54,853 --> 00:05:56,422 - "I believe every word you wrote. 114 00:05:56,455 --> 00:05:57,890 "Why would you lie? 115 00:05:57,923 --> 00:06:00,426 "God, I wish I'd lived next door to you." 116 00:06:00,459 --> 00:06:01,694 - 'Cause those would be the ones 117 00:06:01,727 --> 00:06:04,397 that you would think would let him have it. 118 00:06:04,430 --> 00:06:06,832 Both girls, but not a one. 119 00:06:06,865 --> 00:06:10,936 And yet I know there are people who don't like the book. 120 00:06:10,969 --> 00:06:13,171 The lady that cuts your hair told me. 121 00:06:13,205 --> 00:06:14,873 - [Scotty] Yeah, but she's guessing. 122 00:06:14,907 --> 00:06:17,510 She doesn't know anybody-- - No, she, not guessing. 123 00:06:17,543 --> 00:06:18,911 - [Scotty] She told you there are people 124 00:06:18,944 --> 00:06:19,845 that don't like the book? 125 00:06:19,878 --> 00:06:21,113 - Because it, yeah, I told you 126 00:06:21,146 --> 00:06:22,415 that you took away their dream. 127 00:06:22,448 --> 00:06:23,383 Shame on you. 128 00:06:24,850 --> 00:06:26,752 - You know, there's a new book called Full Service. 129 00:06:26,785 --> 00:06:29,655 It's written by a man who says he used to set up gay 130 00:06:29,688 --> 00:06:32,758 and bisexual affairs for some of the biggest stars 131 00:06:32,791 --> 00:06:34,560 from the 1940s and beyond. 132 00:06:34,593 --> 00:06:37,730 - The point of this is, these people are now dead. 133 00:06:37,763 --> 00:06:39,030 They cannot answer. - Right. 134 00:06:39,064 --> 00:06:41,000 - Some of them have families. 135 00:06:41,033 --> 00:06:42,435 Is it right? 136 00:06:42,468 --> 00:06:44,069 Do you out people after they're dead? 137 00:06:44,102 --> 00:06:44,770 - Why? 138 00:06:44,803 --> 00:06:45,604 What does it, what does it, no, 139 00:06:45,637 --> 00:06:46,671 you do care because they got family. 140 00:06:46,705 --> 00:06:48,808 - The point is it's their business and not yours. 141 00:06:48,841 --> 00:06:49,809 You shouldn't out someone when they're alive 142 00:06:49,842 --> 00:06:51,176 and you shouldn't out them when they're dead. 143 00:06:51,210 --> 00:06:51,878 How's that? 144 00:06:51,911 --> 00:06:52,812 You shouldn't out them any time 145 00:06:52,845 --> 00:06:54,613 unless it's you saying it about yourself. 146 00:06:54,646 --> 00:06:55,915 - Unless they gave their permission. 147 00:06:55,948 --> 00:06:57,883 - [Whoopi] Yes, yes! 148 00:07:01,887 --> 00:07:03,456 - That's kinda pretty out there. 149 00:07:03,489 --> 00:07:05,924 I mean, with the sun in the background over there. 150 00:07:07,092 --> 00:07:09,061 Jesus, look at that beautiful rainbow. 151 00:07:10,128 --> 00:07:11,329 I created the rainbow in Hollywood. 152 00:07:11,363 --> 00:07:16,068 The Rainbow is at 5777 Hollywood Boulevard called Richfield, 153 00:07:16,101 --> 00:07:17,770 and that was a rainbow, 154 00:07:17,803 --> 00:07:20,673 that was the fuckin' end of a rainbow for a lot of people. 155 00:07:20,706 --> 00:07:23,242 I mean, it's hard to believe unless you were there, 156 00:07:23,275 --> 00:07:25,878 how much fun that gas station was. 157 00:07:25,911 --> 00:07:27,546 People disappearing up in the trailer 158 00:07:27,579 --> 00:07:29,248 and going in the washroom and doing this and that. 159 00:07:29,281 --> 00:07:31,717 The whole thing was fun. (laughs) 160 00:07:31,750 --> 00:07:34,987 (soft piano music) 161 00:07:35,020 --> 00:07:37,089 5777 Hollywood Boulevard. 162 00:07:39,525 --> 00:07:41,926 And the streetcar used to go along Hollywood Boulevard, 163 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:42,995 ding, ding, ding, and stop right there 164 00:07:43,028 --> 00:07:45,798 in front of the gas station, which was very nice. 165 00:07:47,666 --> 00:07:48,868 Where the gas station was 166 00:07:48,901 --> 00:07:51,504 is a huge three-story firehouse there now. 167 00:07:52,838 --> 00:07:54,707 Now, see, that's their property, came right to here, 168 00:07:54,740 --> 00:07:56,175 went straight back to that corner and down. 169 00:07:56,208 --> 00:07:57,576 And the gas station was a little thing, 170 00:07:57,609 --> 00:07:59,512 it was no higher where, where, 171 00:07:59,545 --> 00:08:01,847 than those letters that say fire station. 172 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:03,816 It's so completely different now 173 00:08:03,849 --> 00:08:07,719 that it's hard to believe what it was then. 174 00:08:07,753 --> 00:08:10,756 (lively jazz music) 175 00:08:14,326 --> 00:08:16,695 That period of time after World War II, 176 00:08:16,728 --> 00:08:20,132 that was quite a different time, never to be repeated. 177 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:23,068 Remember, had the war not come along, 178 00:08:23,101 --> 00:08:25,204 people lived on the farm and still be on the farm, 179 00:08:25,237 --> 00:08:26,539 like myself. 180 00:08:28,006 --> 00:08:29,941 I went in the Marine Corps when I was 18. 181 00:08:29,975 --> 00:08:33,178 My brother went in the Marine Corps two years after I did. 182 00:08:33,211 --> 00:08:37,249 I was in '42, '43, '44, and most of '45. 183 00:08:37,282 --> 00:08:40,886 (slow soft music) 184 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,588 When you're overseas, you're a long ways away, 185 00:08:46,124 --> 00:08:48,794 and how many guys get killed every day, 186 00:08:50,228 --> 00:08:52,198 and you're burying people all the time. 187 00:08:53,065 --> 00:08:56,068 (slow soft music) 188 00:08:56,101 --> 00:09:00,239 You think, you do think you're never gonna get back home. 189 00:09:01,873 --> 00:09:03,909 (crowd cheering) 190 00:09:03,942 --> 00:09:06,312 When the war was over in '45, many guys, 191 00:09:06,345 --> 00:09:08,013 when they got out of the service, 192 00:09:08,046 --> 00:09:10,883 they went back home again to the little town, to the farm. 193 00:09:12,317 --> 00:09:16,989 I upgraded myself and went to Hollywood. (laughs) 194 00:09:17,022 --> 00:09:19,191 (slow soft orchestral music) 195 00:09:19,224 --> 00:09:21,327 I went and got the job at the gas station. 196 00:09:22,661 --> 00:09:25,130 (bell dings) 197 00:09:25,163 --> 00:09:28,834 The very first person I met at the gas station 198 00:09:28,867 --> 00:09:29,801 was Walter Pidgeon. 199 00:09:31,169 --> 00:09:33,204 It happened purely accidental. 200 00:09:34,373 --> 00:09:37,109 He drove in, in a nice Lincoln Continental. 201 00:09:37,142 --> 00:09:40,313 It was a hot day, and he was a real gentleman. 202 00:09:42,914 --> 00:09:45,084 - [Matt] Did you know who he was? 203 00:09:45,117 --> 00:09:46,117 - [Scotty] Not really. 204 00:09:46,151 --> 00:09:47,954 I just thought he was a nice guy. 205 00:09:51,356 --> 00:09:53,391 He said, "What is a nice-looking guy like you 206 00:09:53,425 --> 00:09:55,093 "doing working in the gas station?" 207 00:09:55,127 --> 00:09:57,729 That type of thing. (laughs) 208 00:09:57,763 --> 00:10:00,199 "It'd be nice to have you come and take a dip in the pool," 209 00:10:00,232 --> 00:10:01,367 and things like that. 210 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,736 I got into the car and left with him. 211 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:07,106 (slow soft jazz music) 212 00:10:10,308 --> 00:10:12,378 - [Matt] That day at the pool, what happened? 213 00:10:12,411 --> 00:10:13,811 - [Scotty] Well, you know, you're, you're there, 214 00:10:13,845 --> 00:10:15,915 and pretty soon, one person's touching. 215 00:10:19,051 --> 00:10:21,187 Things just automatically kind of happened. 216 00:10:22,220 --> 00:10:24,123 - You look at how he stumbled into this, 217 00:10:24,156 --> 00:10:26,290 and literally, he did stumble. 218 00:10:26,324 --> 00:10:27,859 But then, the key fact there is 219 00:10:27,893 --> 00:10:30,429 that there was a whole network of folks, 220 00:10:30,462 --> 00:10:35,000 certainly the set designers, the hairdressers. 221 00:10:35,033 --> 00:10:38,771 They were waiting for someone like Scotty to come along. 222 00:10:39,905 --> 00:10:41,707 - [Scotty] Edwin B. Willis, 223 00:10:41,740 --> 00:10:44,943 the number-one set decorator at MGM. 224 00:10:44,976 --> 00:10:46,745 Every picture that came out of MGM, it said, 225 00:10:46,778 --> 00:10:48,948 "Set Decoration by Edwin B. Willis." 226 00:10:49,881 --> 00:10:51,016 All of a sudden, Edwin called me 227 00:10:51,049 --> 00:10:53,218 and says so-and-so is coming to the station, so-and-so, 228 00:10:53,251 --> 00:10:54,853 and this happened in a matter of days. 229 00:10:54,886 --> 00:10:58,089 And then, word of mouth, everything flows automatically. 230 00:10:59,257 --> 00:11:01,292 You couldn't believe how busy I was. 231 00:11:03,128 --> 00:11:04,730 I needed help. 232 00:11:04,763 --> 00:11:07,332 (lively upbeat jazz music) 233 00:11:07,365 --> 00:11:08,467 There's a place on Sunset 234 00:11:08,500 --> 00:11:10,135 called The Crossroads of the World. 235 00:11:10,168 --> 00:11:11,904 And there were women, voluntarily worked down there 236 00:11:11,937 --> 00:11:13,305 that would take messages. 237 00:11:13,338 --> 00:11:16,141 I left a number there and the guys picked it up, 238 00:11:16,174 --> 00:11:18,110 and pretty soon, I had about 20 guys 239 00:11:18,143 --> 00:11:20,045 hanging around the gas station, very soon. 240 00:11:20,078 --> 00:11:21,146 And these were guys who just got 241 00:11:21,179 --> 00:11:24,150 out of the Marine Corps too, and didn't have a dime. 242 00:11:25,751 --> 00:11:28,487 Somebody I knew would come in to the gas station and say, 243 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:32,257 "Jeez, I'd love to take that nice-looking guy to dinner." 244 00:11:32,290 --> 00:11:34,293 I'd say, "For 20 bucks, you can suck his cock now 245 00:11:34,326 --> 00:11:36,328 "and forget the goddamn dinner." 246 00:11:36,361 --> 00:11:38,497 You know, everything was $20 bucks. 247 00:11:38,530 --> 00:11:39,964 I would say to my friends, 248 00:11:39,998 --> 00:11:41,166 "I'm gonna fix you up with a trick, 249 00:11:41,199 --> 00:11:44,335 "and all the guy's gonna do is take and suck your cock, 250 00:11:44,369 --> 00:11:47,906 "and it's the same as if your girl was sucking your cock. 251 00:11:47,939 --> 00:11:49,141 "If you wanna close your eyes 252 00:11:49,174 --> 00:11:50,742 "and think it's her sucking your cock, do." 253 00:11:50,776 --> 00:11:52,310 "Okay, I'll do it once." 254 00:11:52,344 --> 00:11:54,346 Well, once, twice, you know. (laughs) 255 00:11:54,379 --> 00:11:57,483 ♪ When the world should all be sleepin' ♪ 256 00:11:57,516 --> 00:12:00,218 ♪ And the melody comes creepin' ♪ 257 00:12:00,252 --> 00:12:02,988 - [Scotty] I was fixing every bit of 20 people a night 258 00:12:03,021 --> 00:12:05,091 up at the gas station, seven nights a week. 259 00:12:06,291 --> 00:12:09,328 Behind the gas station I had this huge house trailer. 260 00:12:09,361 --> 00:12:10,829 Now the guy that left it 261 00:12:10,862 --> 00:12:12,296 gave me $50 a month to park it there. 262 00:12:12,330 --> 00:12:14,800 And he said, "Use it any time you want." 263 00:12:14,833 --> 00:12:16,235 ♪ It's no cabaret ♪ 264 00:12:16,268 --> 00:12:18,237 - [Scotty] And you entered from the center. 265 00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:19,805 Up here was a king-size bed 266 00:12:19,838 --> 00:12:21,073 and over here was a king-size bed 267 00:12:21,106 --> 00:12:24,143 and they had a drape that could separate it. 268 00:12:24,176 --> 00:12:26,345 Son of a bitch, I had that going night and day, you know. 269 00:12:26,378 --> 00:12:28,881 (upbeat jazz music) 270 00:12:28,914 --> 00:12:30,348 And then a friend of mine, an old queen, 271 00:12:30,382 --> 00:12:32,184 ran a motel right across the street. 272 00:12:33,351 --> 00:12:35,154 He would call me and say, 273 00:12:35,187 --> 00:12:38,223 "I have six, seven, eight, 12, and 14 vacant. 274 00:12:38,256 --> 00:12:39,057 "The door's open. 275 00:12:39,090 --> 00:12:40,292 "Just go right in. 276 00:12:40,325 --> 00:12:42,361 "Five bucks, do you get what I mean?" 277 00:12:42,394 --> 00:12:45,464 (upbeat jazz music) 278 00:12:45,497 --> 00:12:47,498 A lot of people liked the bathroom thing. 279 00:12:47,532 --> 00:12:49,334 It had a little hole, a quarter-inch hole, 280 00:12:49,367 --> 00:12:52,404 and I had that directly underneath the toilet paper. 281 00:12:52,437 --> 00:12:54,139 You would lay on the air compressor, 282 00:12:54,172 --> 00:12:56,342 put your eye up against the thing, and watch the washroom. 283 00:12:58,043 --> 00:13:00,078 So I had people in there, and I had people watching 284 00:13:00,111 --> 00:13:01,380 and the whole bit, you get what I mean? 285 00:13:01,413 --> 00:13:04,283 That's what you call business, baby. (laughs) 286 00:13:04,316 --> 00:13:07,319 (upbeat jazz music) 287 00:13:14,492 --> 00:13:16,027 (men laughing) 288 00:13:16,061 --> 00:13:17,930 Good to see ya. 289 00:13:17,963 --> 00:13:19,098 You sweet little baby, you. 290 00:13:19,131 --> 00:13:21,165 - Oh, I've been trying to get you over here for years. 291 00:13:21,199 --> 00:13:22,367 - [Scotty] You've been so nice. 292 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,536 - I told Scotty he was so well-organized in those days. 293 00:13:25,570 --> 00:13:29,875 I said if you'd been in the business world instead of here, 294 00:13:29,908 --> 00:13:32,511 you would've ended up as chairman of General Motors. 295 00:13:34,212 --> 00:13:35,548 - (laughs) You sweetheart, Jack. 296 00:13:36,481 --> 00:13:38,450 Jack was a young trick of mine. 297 00:13:38,483 --> 00:13:40,385 - You picked me up in Acapulco. 298 00:13:40,418 --> 00:13:41,520 - That, that's right. 299 00:13:41,553 --> 00:13:42,921 We met in Acapulco. - Acapulco. 300 00:13:42,954 --> 00:13:44,857 - Son of a bitch, that's right. (laughs) 301 00:13:44,890 --> 00:13:46,324 - [Jack] Where did those years go? 302 00:13:46,358 --> 00:13:47,258 - [Scotty] Jesus, I don't know. 303 00:13:47,293 --> 00:13:49,495 Those years slipped by, Jack, so quick. 304 00:13:51,229 --> 00:13:52,898 - This, this was a book you had to write. 305 00:13:52,931 --> 00:13:54,633 But everyone trusted you. 306 00:13:54,666 --> 00:13:57,336 Did, did anyone ever bother saying to you, you know, 307 00:13:57,369 --> 00:13:59,504 "You would never betray me, would you?" 308 00:13:59,537 --> 00:14:00,405 I mean-- 309 00:14:00,438 --> 00:14:02,908 - That's why, when everyone was living, 310 00:14:02,941 --> 00:14:05,377 I would never even think, under any circumstances, 311 00:14:05,410 --> 00:14:07,579 no god-damned dime, and no matter what anyone offered me, 312 00:14:07,612 --> 00:14:09,581 I wouldn't write a book then. 313 00:14:09,614 --> 00:14:14,620 (people chattering) (cameras clicking) 314 00:14:21,126 --> 00:14:23,028 - All those people. - Ya. 315 00:14:23,061 --> 00:14:25,430 - Don't you think you misled their trust 316 00:14:25,463 --> 00:14:27,199 by writing a tell-all book? 317 00:14:27,232 --> 00:14:30,401 - A lot of people at the time knew what, 318 00:14:30,435 --> 00:14:33,005 who these people were and what they were, 319 00:14:33,038 --> 00:14:34,907 so it's not a secret, really. 320 00:14:34,940 --> 00:14:38,543 It may be a secret to some square that lives in Illinois, 321 00:14:38,576 --> 00:14:42,281 but people who lived in Hollywood, they knew these people. 322 00:14:42,314 --> 00:14:44,082 - Yeah, but you, but for their fans, 323 00:14:44,115 --> 00:14:45,283 I mean, like if they had a grand kid, 324 00:14:45,316 --> 00:14:48,353 the grand kid remembers, "Oh no, my grandfather was gay," 325 00:14:48,386 --> 00:14:49,454 or whatever like that. 326 00:14:49,487 --> 00:14:51,423 - What's wrong with, what's wrong with being gay? 327 00:14:51,456 --> 00:14:53,258 So, but thanks anyhow. 328 00:14:53,291 --> 00:14:54,393 - [Man] Okay, that's just my feedback. 329 00:14:54,426 --> 00:14:56,295 - No, I can, I can see it. 330 00:14:56,328 --> 00:14:57,129 Thank you. 331 00:14:57,162 --> 00:14:58,197 Thank you. 332 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:00,299 I did the book just to show some of these people 333 00:15:00,332 --> 00:15:02,501 that people are still people. 334 00:15:02,534 --> 00:15:04,603 But some of these squares think oh my God, 335 00:15:04,636 --> 00:15:07,372 you're weird, you're different, you know. 336 00:15:07,405 --> 00:15:08,573 Like, ladies would say to me, 337 00:15:08,606 --> 00:15:09,508 "Just what are you?" 338 00:15:09,541 --> 00:15:10,676 I said, "I'm everything." 339 00:15:10,709 --> 00:15:12,411 (man laughs) 340 00:15:12,444 --> 00:15:13,444 - [Woman] Thank you. 341 00:15:15,113 --> 00:15:16,581 - [Photographer] One more, one more. 342 00:15:16,614 --> 00:15:17,416 There we go. 343 00:15:17,449 --> 00:15:18,617 (men laughing) 344 00:15:18,650 --> 00:15:20,953 - Just Hollywood trash, Scotty. 345 00:15:20,986 --> 00:15:23,121 You and I traveled on the same highways 346 00:15:23,154 --> 00:15:25,257 and low life, and the alleyways. 347 00:15:25,290 --> 00:15:26,358 - [Scotty] That's right. 348 00:15:26,391 --> 00:15:28,660 - You know I worked for George Cukor for two years. 349 00:15:28,693 --> 00:15:31,964 And, and Katharine Hepburn lived down in the guesthouse. 350 00:15:31,997 --> 00:15:35,132 You know, she would come up, "George, George! 351 00:15:35,166 --> 00:15:39,004 "I hope you're not up there spilling the beans about us, 352 00:15:39,037 --> 00:15:41,606 "telling, telling the truth! 353 00:15:41,639 --> 00:15:44,543 "We've been in the closet for 40 years, 354 00:15:44,576 --> 00:15:46,345 "and don't, don't you," and, you know, 355 00:15:46,378 --> 00:15:47,679 finally we had to cancel the book, 356 00:15:47,712 --> 00:15:49,314 and he, George hated it. 357 00:15:49,347 --> 00:15:52,384 George had to give back a $75,000 advance. 358 00:15:52,417 --> 00:15:53,652 That nearly killed him. 359 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:56,521 - [Narrator] George Cukor has been the center 360 00:15:56,554 --> 00:15:58,523 of more controversies than any other director 361 00:15:58,556 --> 00:16:00,392 in the history of Hollywood. 362 00:16:00,425 --> 00:16:01,993 He's not only directed a string 363 00:16:02,027 --> 00:16:04,629 of highly successful pictures like Little Women, 364 00:16:04,662 --> 00:16:07,099 Philadelphia Story, and Adam's Rib, 365 00:16:07,132 --> 00:16:09,434 but he's also been fired from quite a few, 366 00:16:09,467 --> 00:16:10,970 including Gone with the Wind. 367 00:16:11,736 --> 00:16:13,305 (slow soft bass music) 368 00:16:13,338 --> 00:16:15,707 - [Scotty] I met George in 1947. 369 00:16:15,740 --> 00:16:19,144 George came in the gas station in his new black Dodge Sedan, 370 00:16:19,177 --> 00:16:21,647 introduced himself, and invited me up to the house. 371 00:16:23,048 --> 00:16:24,616 Within a few days I was up here. 372 00:16:24,649 --> 00:16:26,651 He almost came on like Walter Pidgeon. 373 00:16:26,684 --> 00:16:29,254 "It's a hot day. I'd love to have you come up, 374 00:16:29,287 --> 00:16:32,291 "take a dip in my pool, and cool off," and things like that. 375 00:16:33,625 --> 00:16:35,494 - [Narrator] George Cukor has never married, 376 00:16:35,527 --> 00:16:38,463 but lives alone in a palatial home in Beverly Hills, 377 00:16:38,496 --> 00:16:41,632 a house which has seven living rooms and only one bedroom. 378 00:16:44,169 --> 00:16:46,238 - George Cukor was, really one of the arbiters 379 00:16:46,271 --> 00:16:47,506 of Hollywood society. 380 00:16:47,539 --> 00:16:50,208 He was someone who had the greatest parties, 381 00:16:50,241 --> 00:16:51,810 he, he knew everyone. 382 00:16:51,843 --> 00:16:55,447 (soft orchestral music) 383 00:16:56,648 --> 00:16:59,518 - On Saturday nights, there were like the great, 384 00:16:59,551 --> 00:17:02,721 elegant soirees with the kings and queens of Hollywood: 385 00:17:04,255 --> 00:17:05,724 Vivien Leigh, Laurence Olivier, 386 00:17:07,291 --> 00:17:08,127 Garbo. 387 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,464 Sunday afternoons around the pool was brunch 388 00:17:13,498 --> 00:17:17,669 with 10, 12, 15 of the most beautiful men in Hollywood. 389 00:17:19,737 --> 00:17:22,408 Scotty Bowers would always provide new talent. 390 00:17:26,644 --> 00:17:29,581 - George Cukor was the epicenter for gay Hollywood 391 00:17:29,614 --> 00:17:31,583 in the '30s, '40s, and '50s. 392 00:17:31,616 --> 00:17:34,719 If George gave his seal of approval to someone, 393 00:17:34,752 --> 00:17:37,489 the rest of the community looked on with favor. 394 00:17:37,522 --> 00:17:39,724 George respected Scotty. 395 00:17:39,757 --> 00:17:43,662 He wasn't simply this Madam Cukor called for events, 396 00:17:43,695 --> 00:17:46,098 he was also a friend of George Cukor's, 397 00:17:46,131 --> 00:17:50,235 and Scotty became friends with many of Cukor's friends. 398 00:17:50,268 --> 00:17:53,205 (soft piano music) 399 00:17:54,539 --> 00:17:57,376 (birds chirping) 400 00:18:08,586 --> 00:18:09,688 - [Scotty] That son of a bitch 401 00:18:09,721 --> 00:18:11,456 is loaded with stuff in there, wow! 402 00:18:11,489 --> 00:18:13,658 (laughs) 403 00:18:13,691 --> 00:18:16,228 - [Matt] How many garages like this do you have? 404 00:18:17,195 --> 00:18:19,630 - Let's see, I have one, 405 00:18:19,664 --> 00:18:21,133 two, 406 00:18:21,166 --> 00:18:23,435 three, four, about five 407 00:18:24,435 --> 00:18:25,270 full. 408 00:18:26,671 --> 00:18:29,841 I started this, Jesus, 25 years ago, I guess. 409 00:18:29,874 --> 00:18:31,276 And I kept packing in, packing in 410 00:18:31,309 --> 00:18:33,445 until you couldn't even move anything. 411 00:18:34,479 --> 00:18:37,316 (birds chirping) 412 00:18:40,818 --> 00:18:42,354 The pictures should be in here. 413 00:18:53,665 --> 00:18:56,201 These were all the guys from the gas station. 414 00:18:56,234 --> 00:18:59,236 All clean-cut, nice-looking guys, aren't they? 415 00:18:59,270 --> 00:19:00,873 - [Matt] When was the last time you saw those photos? 416 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,578 - Uh, about the time they were taken. (laughs) 417 00:19:06,611 --> 00:19:07,746 But I haven't seen them since then. 418 00:19:07,779 --> 00:19:09,848 I forgot about them completely. 419 00:19:09,881 --> 00:19:11,650 Every one of these guys, including the girl, 420 00:19:11,683 --> 00:19:14,719 were all hustlers, every one of them. (laughs) 421 00:19:14,752 --> 00:19:18,389 (steady jazz music) 422 00:19:18,423 --> 00:19:21,793 Ronnie Stinson was my buddy from Regina, Saskatchewan. 423 00:19:21,826 --> 00:19:24,163 One of my number one guys, Ronnie was. 424 00:19:25,597 --> 00:19:28,934 Bob Atkinson had a big prick, and Bob was out of the Navy. 425 00:19:30,501 --> 00:19:32,537 He had a nice rugged look about him, looked like a cowboy, 426 00:19:32,570 --> 00:19:33,605 you know, that type of thing. 427 00:19:35,406 --> 00:19:37,742 Georgie Fargo from Chicago, put him on a few tricks, 428 00:19:37,775 --> 00:19:38,677 he wasn't great. 429 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:40,245 His heart wasn't in it. 430 00:19:40,278 --> 00:19:41,780 One day, I introduced him to Clint Eastwood, 431 00:19:41,813 --> 00:19:43,615 and he and Clint were buddy-buddy, 432 00:19:43,648 --> 00:19:46,784 and, and Clint got him a part in pictures. 433 00:19:46,818 --> 00:19:50,589 And Lee was a pretty, little, 21-year-old boy 434 00:19:50,622 --> 00:19:54,859 that every fucking queen in Hollywood was hot for. (laughs) 435 00:19:54,892 --> 00:19:56,695 - [Matt] Are any of these guys still alive? 436 00:19:56,728 --> 00:19:58,496 - Some of them are still living. 437 00:19:58,529 --> 00:20:01,433 Lee, Lee's old, but he's still around. 438 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:05,671 (Scotty laughs) 439 00:20:06,804 --> 00:20:07,839 Hello, baby. 440 00:20:10,441 --> 00:20:12,544 When I think of Lee, I can only think of nice things, 441 00:20:12,577 --> 00:20:14,512 and a smile comes on my face, 442 00:20:14,545 --> 00:20:17,249 because here we are back together. 443 00:20:17,282 --> 00:20:19,650 It was a cool little car, that little '55 way back. 444 00:20:19,684 --> 00:20:21,786 - [Matt] Some people don't believe the book. 445 00:20:21,819 --> 00:20:23,021 What do you say to those people? 446 00:20:23,054 --> 00:20:25,790 - I showed it to a friend of mine. 447 00:20:25,823 --> 00:20:27,426 He thought it was trash. 448 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,729 I said, "Well, it's, maybe, that's your opinion, 449 00:20:31,763 --> 00:20:32,930 "but it's all true." 450 00:20:34,732 --> 00:20:36,868 - [Matt] About what year did Lee show up at the gas station? 451 00:20:37,735 --> 00:20:38,937 - 1951. 452 00:20:40,905 --> 00:20:43,041 I came into Hollywood. 453 00:20:43,074 --> 00:20:46,378 I saw this sign on a glass window and it said, 454 00:20:46,411 --> 00:20:47,612 "Are you looking for employ?" 455 00:20:47,645 --> 00:20:49,414 I said yes, so he hired me right there. 456 00:20:49,447 --> 00:20:50,681 - [Scotty] Right then and there. 457 00:20:50,715 --> 00:20:52,449 The moment he walked in, he was on his, 458 00:20:52,483 --> 00:20:54,686 he was on his first trick, right, within a, 459 00:20:54,719 --> 00:20:57,022 within an hour. (laughs) 460 00:20:58,323 --> 00:20:59,691 - Customers please, Scott. 461 00:21:00,958 --> 00:21:04,896 - I must have given you this card 60 years ago, right? 462 00:21:04,929 --> 00:21:08,833 These are basically business people out of New York. 463 00:21:08,866 --> 00:21:11,069 Don't forget, I was fixing an awful lot of people up 464 00:21:11,102 --> 00:21:12,904 that weren't famous, too. 465 00:21:12,937 --> 00:21:13,905 This is just a backup. 466 00:21:13,938 --> 00:21:15,473 So when you go to New York, 467 00:21:15,506 --> 00:21:16,674 in case something happens with the deal you got, 468 00:21:16,707 --> 00:21:19,377 you got somethin' to fall back on for a ticket back home, 469 00:21:19,410 --> 00:21:20,011 you know? 470 00:21:20,044 --> 00:21:20,945 What the hell. 471 00:21:20,978 --> 00:21:22,614 - Well, this is a program 472 00:21:23,781 --> 00:21:26,451 from a Shakespeare's Memorial Theater. 473 00:21:26,484 --> 00:21:27,585 Charlie autographed it for me. 474 00:21:27,619 --> 00:21:29,888 He said, "Lee, to Lee, who bawled the hell out of me 475 00:21:29,921 --> 00:21:31,790 "until I did this. 476 00:21:31,823 --> 00:21:33,858 "Gratefully, Charles Laughton." 477 00:21:33,891 --> 00:21:34,893 That's Charlie here, 478 00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:36,861 King Lear. 479 00:21:38,029 --> 00:21:39,864 - Lee was Charles Laughton's favorite, 480 00:21:39,897 --> 00:21:42,667 and Charles loved Lee, really he did. 481 00:21:42,700 --> 00:21:44,736 - [Lee] Charlie, he was a beautiful man. 482 00:21:44,769 --> 00:21:45,670 He really was. 483 00:21:45,703 --> 00:21:46,838 - [Woman] Hello, Charles. 484 00:21:46,871 --> 00:21:47,872 How are you? - Hello, gentlemen. 485 00:21:47,905 --> 00:21:49,341 - How do you do? - Hello, Elsie. 486 00:21:49,374 --> 00:21:50,875 - [Lee] And whenever he had problems with Elsie, 487 00:21:50,908 --> 00:21:53,511 he'd call me up and we'd go have dinner some place. 488 00:21:53,544 --> 00:21:54,946 - Hello, come on in. - Come on. 489 00:21:54,979 --> 00:21:56,948 - [Lee] I was a good listener. 490 00:21:56,981 --> 00:21:59,884 - [Matt] What did Charles like to do sexually? 491 00:21:59,917 --> 00:22:02,954 - He just likes to suck cock. (laughs) 492 00:22:02,987 --> 00:22:03,822 - That's right. 493 00:22:03,855 --> 00:22:06,858 (lively jazz music) 494 00:22:09,727 --> 00:22:11,763 Charles Laughton and I were very close from, 495 00:22:11,796 --> 00:22:14,066 way back from World War II and up until he died. 496 00:22:16,100 --> 00:22:19,004 I saw him myself and fixed him up with tricks. 497 00:22:22,073 --> 00:22:24,109 Charles was going to England, I drove him to the airport. 498 00:22:24,142 --> 00:22:25,877 And Charles, he gave me an envelope 499 00:22:25,910 --> 00:22:27,812 and I looked at it later, it was a thousand dollars. 500 00:22:27,845 --> 00:22:30,716 It's ten $100 bills that he gave to me. 501 00:22:31,849 --> 00:22:33,918 That's just being, being nice, you know. 502 00:22:33,951 --> 00:22:36,888 I certainly didn't ever ask for it. 503 00:22:36,921 --> 00:22:40,125 (lively upbeat jazz music) 504 00:22:40,158 --> 00:22:42,894 The world was different then than it is now. 505 00:22:48,065 --> 00:22:50,902 (birds chirping) 506 00:23:02,013 --> 00:23:03,047 You know, every four or five days 507 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,850 you gotta run this up, you know. 508 00:23:05,616 --> 00:23:08,086 (clock winding) 509 00:23:09,454 --> 00:23:11,889 This is a little house that I paid $22,000 for, 510 00:23:11,923 --> 00:23:14,192 about 52 years ago. 511 00:23:14,225 --> 00:23:17,795 $22,000 for the house in $20 bills. 512 00:23:18,963 --> 00:23:22,567 You know, those $20 add up quick. (laughs) 513 00:23:23,935 --> 00:23:26,638 There are some pretty things in here, you know, but... 514 00:23:28,506 --> 00:23:29,841 Underneath it all, I meant. 515 00:23:31,943 --> 00:23:32,811 I lived here with Bette 516 00:23:32,844 --> 00:23:36,581 for just a dash over 50 years, I guess. 517 00:23:36,614 --> 00:23:38,483 Bette was my first wife. 518 00:23:38,516 --> 00:23:40,452 You might say that we were common-law. 519 00:23:40,485 --> 00:23:42,454 We never really married. 520 00:23:43,855 --> 00:23:46,191 And, and as many years as I've been here, 521 00:23:46,224 --> 00:23:49,694 I rarely ever stayed here, considering my work. 522 00:23:50,962 --> 00:23:52,997 There were some years I might be here one 523 00:23:53,030 --> 00:23:54,933 and two nights in a year. 524 00:23:58,102 --> 00:24:00,772 There are some nice little goodies in here. 525 00:24:00,805 --> 00:24:03,208 These are, these things in the house are called goodies. 526 00:24:06,077 --> 00:24:08,780 Bette had it very nice, really, she did. 527 00:24:08,813 --> 00:24:09,814 It's me that fucked it up. 528 00:24:12,984 --> 00:24:15,086 And then that's Donna when she was a little girl 529 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,822 that a friend of mine painted. 530 00:24:20,825 --> 00:24:22,093 I'm rarely here. 531 00:24:22,126 --> 00:24:24,028 I come up, get the mail, get some phone calls and, 532 00:24:24,061 --> 00:24:26,997 and other than that, I don't even come here. 533 00:24:27,031 --> 00:24:28,566 - [Answering Machine] Message two. 534 00:24:28,599 --> 00:24:30,635 - [Gerard] Hey, Scotty, it's Gerard from Book Soup. 535 00:24:30,668 --> 00:24:32,035 We were wondering if you could come in 536 00:24:32,069 --> 00:24:34,739 and sign some books for us when you get a chance. 537 00:24:35,773 --> 00:24:36,608 Thanks. 538 00:24:38,876 --> 00:24:41,713 (birds chirping) 539 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,582 - [Man] West Hollywood Book Fair this weekend, 540 00:24:44,615 --> 00:24:47,986 so we wanted to take some signed stock back. 541 00:24:48,019 --> 00:24:51,156 (woman chattering) 542 00:24:57,595 --> 00:24:59,598 - Boy, they have a book on everything here. 543 00:25:00,264 --> 00:25:02,199 Randolph Scott, Cary Grant. 544 00:25:02,233 --> 00:25:03,935 What was so funny is they, 545 00:25:03,968 --> 00:25:06,204 they lived right behind the Chateau Marmont there. 546 00:25:07,071 --> 00:25:08,939 And they lived at the beach too, 547 00:25:08,973 --> 00:25:11,576 they lived right at Santa Monica Beach. 548 00:25:11,609 --> 00:25:12,677 And they lived together, of course, 549 00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:13,778 people said they were roommates. 550 00:25:13,811 --> 00:25:14,946 Okay, we're roommates. 551 00:25:14,979 --> 00:25:18,182 I mean lot of people who are lovers are roommates too. 552 00:25:18,215 --> 00:25:20,252 - Well, I feel it's about time for a dip. 553 00:25:23,154 --> 00:25:27,091 (lighthearted orchestral music) 554 00:25:27,124 --> 00:25:30,161 - Young man, is that Johnny Weissmuller? 555 00:25:30,194 --> 00:25:32,062 - No, I wish it were. 556 00:25:32,096 --> 00:25:34,633 (drum roll) 557 00:25:39,003 --> 00:25:42,173 (lighthearted orchestral music) 558 00:25:42,206 --> 00:25:43,608 - [Scotty] Back in those days, 559 00:25:43,641 --> 00:25:45,677 people knew they were lovers and together. 560 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:47,045 Then, all of a sudden, as years go by, 561 00:25:47,078 --> 00:25:48,279 they're kinda, "How dare you talk that way?" 562 00:25:48,312 --> 00:25:50,014 But I'm not talking about them, 563 00:25:50,047 --> 00:25:52,183 I'm just saying they're great guys, you know, both of them. 564 00:25:54,852 --> 00:25:56,721 (moves into soft piano music) 565 00:25:56,754 --> 00:25:59,122 I'd been with them individually and both of them, 566 00:25:59,156 --> 00:26:00,591 what you call a three-way, 567 00:26:00,625 --> 00:26:03,094 and I've also brought another buddy 568 00:26:03,127 --> 00:26:04,995 for them to where there were four of us, 569 00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:06,064 you know, two-and-two. 570 00:26:06,964 --> 00:26:10,168 (soft jazz music) 571 00:26:10,201 --> 00:26:12,770 Before he became an actor, a known actor, 572 00:26:12,803 --> 00:26:15,340 Cary Grant was living with Orry Kelly in New York, 573 00:26:15,373 --> 00:26:16,641 who was a mad queen. 574 00:26:17,408 --> 00:26:20,244 Orry Kelly was a dress designer. 575 00:26:20,277 --> 00:26:22,814 Actually, he got three Oscars for dress design. 576 00:26:24,115 --> 00:26:26,184 - Some Like It Hot. 577 00:26:26,217 --> 00:26:27,185 Orry Kelly! 578 00:26:27,218 --> 00:26:28,987 - [Scotty] Then he came out here and lived here 579 00:26:29,020 --> 00:26:30,822 for a year and a half together. 580 00:26:30,855 --> 00:26:33,124 Then he met Randolph Scott and left Orry, 581 00:26:33,157 --> 00:26:34,859 dropped him like a hot potato, 582 00:26:35,826 --> 00:26:37,195 because he wanted to steer clear 583 00:26:37,228 --> 00:26:38,997 for fear they might think he's gay, 584 00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:41,166 if he's with someone who's known to be gay. 585 00:26:43,367 --> 00:26:47,272 (upbeat jazz orchestral music) 586 00:26:50,374 --> 00:26:52,010 - When Hollywood began, 587 00:26:52,043 --> 00:26:55,112 when the studio system really got, got rolling, 588 00:26:55,146 --> 00:26:57,281 Hollywood was a rollicking place, 589 00:26:57,314 --> 00:26:59,384 there were very, very few rules. 590 00:27:01,452 --> 00:27:05,223 It was a haven for people who lived larger than life, 591 00:27:05,256 --> 00:27:08,660 had radical views about sex or politics. 592 00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:11,162 And there were, you know, lot of same-sex cohabitation, 593 00:27:11,195 --> 00:27:13,063 people, men and women living together 594 00:27:13,097 --> 00:27:14,365 who weren't getting married. 595 00:27:14,398 --> 00:27:17,834 The kind of rules that, and, and strict moral code 596 00:27:17,868 --> 00:27:18,969 that we associate with Hollywood 597 00:27:19,003 --> 00:27:21,839 came in place in the 1930s with the production code. 598 00:27:21,872 --> 00:27:26,344 - It's vulgar, it's cheap and the tawdry is out! 599 00:27:26,377 --> 00:27:30,181 There is no room on the screen at any time 600 00:27:30,214 --> 00:27:33,118 for pictures which offend against common decency, 601 00:27:34,251 --> 00:27:36,954 and these, the industry will not allow. 602 00:27:36,987 --> 00:27:39,791 - With the production code came morals clauses in, 603 00:27:39,824 --> 00:27:41,192 in people's contracts. 604 00:27:42,159 --> 00:27:43,961 (soft piano music) 605 00:27:43,994 --> 00:27:45,263 Hollywood had adopted 606 00:27:45,296 --> 00:27:48,733 a very different relationship with the public. 607 00:27:48,766 --> 00:27:51,169 It was really about, we're just like all of you. 608 00:27:54,004 --> 00:27:57,274 It was very important to sell this myth to America, 609 00:27:57,308 --> 00:27:59,310 that the movie stars were just good, 610 00:27:59,343 --> 00:28:01,780 honest, moral, law-abiding citizens. 611 00:28:03,347 --> 00:28:05,183 - If it became public that you were gay, 612 00:28:05,216 --> 00:28:08,218 you would be immediately fired. 613 00:28:08,252 --> 00:28:10,187 - When actors were under contract to their studios, 614 00:28:10,221 --> 00:28:11,923 everything about their life was defined: 615 00:28:11,956 --> 00:28:14,125 how, what they wore, how they wore their hair, 616 00:28:14,158 --> 00:28:16,060 you know, and they worked, very, very, very hard. 617 00:28:16,093 --> 00:28:18,129 They made lots of movies a year. 618 00:28:18,162 --> 00:28:19,430 Where could they get a real life 619 00:28:19,463 --> 00:28:22,266 where they could just let go and sort of undo the, 620 00:28:22,299 --> 00:28:24,802 the belt, as it were, and the, the constraints? 621 00:28:24,835 --> 00:28:26,204 Scotty gave them that. 622 00:28:27,338 --> 00:28:29,741 - Scotty was able to provide a very real service 623 00:28:29,774 --> 00:28:31,842 to these people, who otherwise were very restricted 624 00:28:31,876 --> 00:28:33,110 by this moral code. 625 00:28:33,978 --> 00:28:37,248 (slow dramatic music) 626 00:28:37,281 --> 00:28:40,118 (traffic humming) 627 00:28:46,056 --> 00:28:48,259 - Now, this is a fucking low-flush toilet. 628 00:28:48,292 --> 00:28:49,961 This is not a good toilet at all. 629 00:28:52,229 --> 00:28:53,264 That's a low-flush. 630 00:28:54,131 --> 00:28:54,933 Let's see. 631 00:29:00,104 --> 00:29:01,506 Not a bad-looking toilet, but that, 632 00:29:01,539 --> 00:29:03,508 that's just a recent type. 633 00:29:03,541 --> 00:29:04,976 I would take it otherwise, 634 00:29:05,009 --> 00:29:06,311 but it's not that good of a toilet. 635 00:29:15,252 --> 00:29:17,254 - [Matt] Where did this hole come from? 636 00:29:17,288 --> 00:29:18,489 - Huh? 637 00:29:18,522 --> 00:29:20,258 - [Matt] This hole. 638 00:29:20,291 --> 00:29:23,327 - Oh, she had a rug on here, 639 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,397 and the rug dry-rotted the wood. 640 00:29:26,430 --> 00:29:29,267 - I fell in, and it went down up to here in this leg, 641 00:29:29,300 --> 00:29:30,501 and I couldn't get it out. 642 00:29:30,534 --> 00:29:31,869 - [Scotty] You can see that circle. 643 00:29:31,902 --> 00:29:32,804 See the circle? 644 00:29:32,837 --> 00:29:33,971 She had put a big carpet down. 645 00:29:34,004 --> 00:29:37,308 When you a carpet down, it dry-rots below. 646 00:29:37,341 --> 00:29:38,575 - Anyway, I had to call the neighbors 647 00:29:38,609 --> 00:29:40,945 to come and get me out. 648 00:29:40,978 --> 00:29:43,248 - [Scotty] So I gotta replace all of that stuff. 649 00:29:44,982 --> 00:29:47,418 - [TV Reporter] Police got a call that two hand grenades 650 00:29:47,451 --> 00:29:49,387 have been found in a fire pit 651 00:29:49,420 --> 00:29:51,456 in the backyard of this house. 652 00:29:53,924 --> 00:29:55,526 - He's just collecting things. 653 00:29:55,559 --> 00:29:58,029 He never did this before. 654 00:29:58,062 --> 00:29:59,362 Never. 655 00:29:59,396 --> 00:30:01,166 So it's just since we've been here. 656 00:30:04,401 --> 00:30:07,104 - I have every copy of Playboy Magazine 657 00:30:07,137 --> 00:30:09,106 since Playboy came out. 658 00:30:09,139 --> 00:30:10,408 - [Matt] Where are they? 659 00:30:10,441 --> 00:30:13,377 - Over at the other house, stacked in the basement. 660 00:30:13,410 --> 00:30:14,545 - [Lois] There's no room here. 661 00:30:14,578 --> 00:30:15,947 - Well, you know, you know how much, 662 00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:17,882 I got stacks this high for Christ's sake. 663 00:30:19,283 --> 00:30:21,886 - [Matt] Tell me about these photos on the wall. 664 00:30:21,919 --> 00:30:24,322 Lois, are they your family? 665 00:30:24,355 --> 00:30:28,059 - [Lois] That's my mother and my brother and I up there. 666 00:30:28,092 --> 00:30:29,160 That's me. 667 00:30:29,193 --> 00:30:32,330 A long, long time ago. (laughs) 668 00:30:32,363 --> 00:30:34,899 - [Scotty] We've been together about 35 years. 669 00:30:34,932 --> 00:30:36,934 And that was Cindy. 670 00:30:36,967 --> 00:30:38,536 The god-dammed time goes. 671 00:30:40,304 --> 00:30:42,406 - [Lois] We met in December of '80, 672 00:30:42,439 --> 00:30:44,542 we were married July '84. 673 00:30:44,575 --> 00:30:47,545 ♪ It had to be you ♪ 674 00:30:51,682 --> 00:30:53,351 - [Scotty] A friend of mine had a bar here 675 00:30:53,384 --> 00:30:57,889 on Robinson called Alberto's and I met her in there. 676 00:30:58,689 --> 00:31:00,058 She was singing at the piano bar. 677 00:31:01,692 --> 00:31:04,896 ♪ Could make me feel bad ♪ 678 00:31:04,929 --> 00:31:06,464 ♪ Even be glad ♪ 679 00:31:06,497 --> 00:31:08,332 ♪ Just to be sad ♪ 680 00:31:08,365 --> 00:31:11,502 ♪ Thinkin' of you ♪ 681 00:31:11,535 --> 00:31:15,339 ♪ Some others I've seen ♪ 682 00:31:15,372 --> 00:31:18,676 ♪ Might never be mean ♪ 683 00:31:18,709 --> 00:31:20,411 ♪ Might never be cross ♪ 684 00:31:20,444 --> 00:31:23,180 I'm singing at Alberto's. 685 00:31:23,213 --> 00:31:26,283 He came past me one night and said, "I love your singing." 686 00:31:27,518 --> 00:31:31,355 I don't know, he looked like a, an old leprechaun. 687 00:31:31,388 --> 00:31:34,225 I mean, it was the dickens in his eyes, you know. 688 00:31:34,258 --> 00:31:35,459 (laughs) I don't know. 689 00:31:35,492 --> 00:31:37,561 ♪ Wonderful you ♪ 690 00:31:37,594 --> 00:31:41,065 ♪ It had to be you ♪ 691 00:31:41,098 --> 00:31:44,168 ♪ It had to be you ♪ 692 00:31:44,201 --> 00:31:47,272 (audience clapping) 693 00:31:54,611 --> 00:31:56,647 - [Matt] Is that the paperback? 694 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,382 - Yeah, it is. 695 00:31:58,415 --> 00:32:00,551 For a paperback it's kinda nice, you know. 696 00:32:00,584 --> 00:32:01,652 - Honey? - What? 697 00:32:01,685 --> 00:32:03,287 - Didn't you get a box of these home? 698 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,623 - [Scotty] He took eight books out of here. 699 00:32:05,656 --> 00:32:07,524 Another good title would've been, 700 00:32:07,558 --> 00:32:09,694 How To Make People Happy. - Mm hm. 701 00:32:09,727 --> 00:32:11,996 - Same thing as the, the real book, yeah. 702 00:32:14,131 --> 00:32:15,466 - [Matt] Lois, do you think you'll be tempted 703 00:32:15,499 --> 00:32:16,600 to read one of them? 704 00:32:16,633 --> 00:32:17,468 - No, she won't. 705 00:32:18,669 --> 00:32:20,237 She won't read those goddamn things. 706 00:32:20,270 --> 00:32:21,472 Are you kidding? 707 00:32:23,307 --> 00:32:25,743 If she read the book, she'd jump off the balcony. 708 00:32:25,776 --> 00:32:27,278 She'd jump out the window. 709 00:32:28,545 --> 00:32:32,016 - [Matt] You're not planning on reading it, why not? 710 00:32:32,049 --> 00:32:33,216 - Well, two reasons. 711 00:32:33,250 --> 00:32:35,619 I don't, I didn't know him then. 712 00:32:35,652 --> 00:32:37,722 I don't know him as that person. 713 00:32:37,755 --> 00:32:40,157 And not sure I want to. 714 00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:41,258 (Scotty laughs) 715 00:32:41,291 --> 00:32:42,659 And I'm not interested in Hollywood 716 00:32:44,094 --> 00:32:45,596 shenanigans. 717 00:32:45,629 --> 00:32:47,130 I'm just not. 718 00:32:47,164 --> 00:32:49,067 I guess I feel some, 719 00:32:52,102 --> 00:32:54,405 I don't know how you'd put it, 720 00:32:54,438 --> 00:32:56,407 regret. - Regret? 721 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,175 - That he didn't say something. 722 00:32:58,208 --> 00:32:59,577 - [Scotty] What do you mean, say something? 723 00:32:59,610 --> 00:33:03,014 - Before, when I first knew you, 724 00:33:03,047 --> 00:33:06,283 about your life prior to my meeting you. 725 00:33:06,316 --> 00:33:07,718 - [Scotty] You never told me about your life 726 00:33:07,751 --> 00:33:08,585 prior to me meeting you. 727 00:33:08,619 --> 00:33:10,053 I never asked. - Ain't nothing to tell. 728 00:33:10,087 --> 00:33:11,055 - [Scotty] Well, you never know. 729 00:33:11,088 --> 00:33:12,490 I mean you could've been a hooker, I don't know. 730 00:33:12,523 --> 00:33:13,557 - You know what I'm talking about. 731 00:33:13,590 --> 00:33:14,658 Stop being silly. 732 00:33:14,691 --> 00:33:15,459 - [Scotty] You could've been a hooker and something. 733 00:33:15,492 --> 00:33:17,228 I never asked you, you know that. 734 00:33:17,261 --> 00:33:18,495 I'm not that type-- 735 00:33:18,529 --> 00:33:20,031 - Well, apparently, it didn't matter to you. 736 00:33:20,064 --> 00:33:21,699 It might have mattered to me. 737 00:33:24,768 --> 00:33:27,538 (birds chirping) 738 00:33:29,306 --> 00:33:32,610 (slow soft music) 739 00:33:32,643 --> 00:33:35,246 - Yeah, you know, the god-dammed toilet. 740 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:36,447 I didn't get it right away. 741 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,350 I got so much yesterday, yesterday afternoon. 742 00:33:39,383 --> 00:33:40,284 And, and... 743 00:33:42,553 --> 00:33:45,590 You never know when you're gonna need it, baby. (laughs) 744 00:33:47,691 --> 00:33:50,628 I used to take care of Beach's houses. 745 00:33:50,661 --> 00:33:54,098 Beach Dickerson owned about 18 or 19 houses up here. 746 00:33:54,131 --> 00:33:55,266 And I maintained them. 747 00:33:55,299 --> 00:33:56,367 I did all the plumbing in all of them. 748 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,702 I mean, see, see Beach could count on me to do it, 749 00:33:58,735 --> 00:34:00,271 and do it right. 750 00:34:01,538 --> 00:34:03,707 Originally, Beach met me at the gas station, 751 00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:05,343 then we became friends. 752 00:34:07,644 --> 00:34:10,313 This was his house and he lived here all those years. 753 00:34:11,681 --> 00:34:16,654 Beach was originally from Glennville, Georgia, 754 00:34:17,754 --> 00:34:19,656 went in the Army, ended up in California, 755 00:34:19,690 --> 00:34:21,625 and stayed here, and became kind of 756 00:34:21,658 --> 00:34:23,393 what you call a half-assed actor. 757 00:34:23,427 --> 00:34:25,096 I still get checks. 758 00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:28,732 $1.80, $2.25 for little things he was in. 759 00:34:28,764 --> 00:34:30,266 You know what I mean? 760 00:34:30,300 --> 00:34:33,404 - [Announcer] The Creature From the Haunted Sea! 761 00:34:33,437 --> 00:34:37,741 (dramatic theatrical music) 762 00:34:37,774 --> 00:34:39,710 - [Scotty] Oh, they were class C movies 763 00:34:39,743 --> 00:34:41,645 by Roger Corman many years ago: 764 00:34:41,678 --> 00:34:43,446 The Attack of the Crab Monster 765 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,583 and Creatures of the Haunted Sea. 766 00:34:46,783 --> 00:34:49,120 (soft orchestral music) 767 00:34:49,152 --> 00:34:54,125 Beach was my steady number-one person that I would see. 768 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,696 Oh, that's Lois's, the Columbia University, 769 00:34:58,729 --> 00:35:00,531 City of New York, Lois Broad. 770 00:35:01,632 --> 00:35:04,335 (soft orchestral music) 771 00:35:04,368 --> 00:35:07,171 Beach owned about eight, eight thoroughbred horses. 772 00:35:08,305 --> 00:35:10,140 And the only horse he ever had that won, 773 00:35:10,174 --> 00:35:12,476 he named the horse Hollywood Scott. 774 00:35:12,509 --> 00:35:15,313 And that was the only horse he ever had that won a race. 775 00:35:16,647 --> 00:35:20,683 - Beach Dickerson owned a house up where I'd walk my dogs. 776 00:35:20,717 --> 00:35:22,386 I said, "I understand, you know, 777 00:35:22,419 --> 00:35:24,654 "we have a mutual friend, Scotty Bower." 778 00:35:24,688 --> 00:35:25,789 He said, "Yeah." 779 00:35:25,822 --> 00:35:27,791 He said, "Scotty's my lover." 780 00:35:27,824 --> 00:35:29,493 I said, "Well, that's news to me. 781 00:35:29,526 --> 00:35:33,397 "I didn't know Scotty had a, a gay lover up here." 782 00:35:33,430 --> 00:35:36,332 And he said, "Oh, yeah." (laughs) 783 00:35:36,366 --> 00:35:39,436 - [Scotty] Here's Jennifer Aniston. 784 00:35:39,469 --> 00:35:41,172 Here's Beach. 785 00:35:41,205 --> 00:35:42,806 Every one of these girls are actresses, 786 00:35:42,839 --> 00:35:44,241 and they all lived here. 787 00:35:45,409 --> 00:35:46,844 And this was taken out on the patio there. 788 00:35:46,877 --> 00:35:49,712 Elvis Presley and a girl they were, 789 00:35:49,746 --> 00:35:51,549 when he worked on a show with Elvis. 790 00:35:53,617 --> 00:35:55,653 There's Beach and Corbin Bernsen. 791 00:35:55,686 --> 00:35:57,688 - [Jack] He was Beach's godson. 792 00:35:57,721 --> 00:35:59,924 He was on LA Law and a few things. 793 00:36:01,458 --> 00:36:04,328 - Beach left me two annuities, 794 00:36:04,361 --> 00:36:06,830 plus $300,000, plus two houses, 795 00:36:06,863 --> 00:36:08,432 which was quite nice. 796 00:36:10,500 --> 00:36:12,603 He left me this house, another house 797 00:36:12,636 --> 00:36:15,706 around the corner down there to sell. 798 00:36:16,907 --> 00:36:18,309 And the house that he left me, 799 00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:20,378 I sold for a little bit over $600,000. 800 00:36:21,845 --> 00:36:24,881 The will was made out that I have this house until I die. 801 00:36:24,915 --> 00:36:28,285 Then when I die, and I, I've gotta be really dead, 802 00:36:28,318 --> 00:36:31,455 then, and may not happen, then fuckin' Corbin gets it. 803 00:36:31,488 --> 00:36:33,524 See? (laughs) 804 00:36:35,292 --> 00:36:36,393 Corbin, when Beach died, 805 00:36:36,426 --> 00:36:37,694 Corbin was gonna rent a yacht 806 00:36:37,728 --> 00:36:40,531 and spread the ashes at sea and have a big party. 807 00:36:40,564 --> 00:36:43,433 He wanted something like $35,000 from the estate, 808 00:36:43,467 --> 00:36:44,768 and I said, 809 00:36:44,801 --> 00:36:45,903 don't give him a fucking dime. 810 00:36:45,936 --> 00:36:46,770 That's all bullshit. 811 00:36:46,803 --> 00:36:47,837 You know what I mean? 812 00:36:49,306 --> 00:36:51,408 Right now, Beach's ashes are down in, 813 00:36:51,441 --> 00:36:53,276 in Pat's garage in the trunk of his car 814 00:36:53,310 --> 00:36:56,247 where they've been for the last five years. 815 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,881 We were always gonna do something with them, 816 00:36:57,914 --> 00:36:58,815 I don't know what. 817 00:36:58,849 --> 00:37:01,986 And then, then Pat died and they're still 818 00:37:02,019 --> 00:37:04,687 in the trunk of the car down there. 819 00:37:04,721 --> 00:37:08,425 (crickets chirping) 820 00:37:08,458 --> 00:37:10,261 Hello kitty. 821 00:37:10,294 --> 00:37:13,763 Did you know cats hate scented litter? 822 00:37:15,432 --> 00:37:16,799 Look. 823 00:37:16,833 --> 00:37:18,469 There, look at those, those eyes. 824 00:37:18,502 --> 00:37:20,538 You gotta say they're cute little things. 825 00:37:23,507 --> 00:37:25,643 David called and said they've got a check 826 00:37:27,044 --> 00:37:30,881 from the publishing company for $188,000. 827 00:37:30,914 --> 00:37:32,750 That guy from the office said, 828 00:37:32,783 --> 00:37:34,451 "Is it okay to send to the house?" 829 00:37:34,484 --> 00:37:35,919 I said yes, so they'll send it here. 830 00:37:35,952 --> 00:37:37,855 - I just wonder how they do it. 831 00:37:37,888 --> 00:37:39,523 Do they have an accounting? 832 00:37:39,556 --> 00:37:41,325 Do we know how many books were sold? 833 00:37:41,358 --> 00:37:44,795 Do we know what are his percentages? 834 00:37:44,828 --> 00:37:46,397 Nothing. 835 00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:48,365 - Well, whatever you get helps, you know. 836 00:37:48,398 --> 00:37:49,733 I mean, what the hell. 837 00:37:49,766 --> 00:37:51,802 - No, I'd just like to know how many books, 838 00:37:51,835 --> 00:37:54,905 and how much do you get, and how much do you get, 839 00:37:54,938 --> 00:37:56,807 and how much did David get and... 840 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,676 - [Matt] That seems like your policy. 841 00:37:58,709 --> 00:38:00,310 The money takes care of itself. 842 00:38:00,344 --> 00:38:01,412 - That's right. 843 00:38:01,445 --> 00:38:03,447 Do you know there are a couple of old Jewish ladies 844 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,015 in Beverly Hills who have money, 845 00:38:05,048 --> 00:38:09,787 that years ago I worked, I worked for them for $5 an hour. 846 00:38:09,820 --> 00:38:11,955 I go to work from them now, they have money. 847 00:38:11,988 --> 00:38:14,692 They hand me $20. I'm there five or six hours. 848 00:38:14,725 --> 00:38:16,026 I give them a kiss and say thank you, 849 00:38:16,059 --> 00:38:17,828 like everything is okay, right? 850 00:38:18,762 --> 00:38:19,897 Perfectly all right. 851 00:38:19,930 --> 00:38:21,665 - But they're laughing at you. (laughs) 852 00:38:21,698 --> 00:38:23,067 - Everything works out. 853 00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:24,535 Things always work out. 854 00:38:24,568 --> 00:38:26,003 They, they, you know... 855 00:38:27,938 --> 00:38:30,941 (jazzy piano music) 856 00:38:42,018 --> 00:38:46,023 - [Man] So Scotty, we are all big fans of your services. 857 00:38:46,056 --> 00:38:48,626 - There's Polish, French, and Spanish now. 858 00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:51,028 - We can get a German. (laughs) 859 00:38:51,061 --> 00:38:51,829 - Well, they're going, 860 00:38:51,862 --> 00:38:52,796 they're going to German and Italian 861 00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:54,598 in about two or three months. - Oh, yeah? 862 00:38:54,631 --> 00:38:55,999 - Ya. - How cool. 863 00:38:56,032 --> 00:38:58,836 - You know somebody emailed me just a week ago, 864 00:38:58,869 --> 00:39:00,437 and was asking, you know, 865 00:39:00,470 --> 00:39:01,904 "Have you guys thought of doing something 866 00:39:01,938 --> 00:39:04,041 "with that guy Scotty Bowers?" 867 00:39:04,074 --> 00:39:06,009 and, "He's so cute." 868 00:39:06,042 --> 00:39:07,944 Did you pose for Bob Mizer? 869 00:39:07,978 --> 00:39:10,080 - No, but I had many guys pose for Bob Mizer. 870 00:39:10,113 --> 00:39:15,018 Bob Mizer was kind of the number one queen of guys. 871 00:39:15,051 --> 00:39:16,720 (upbeat jazz music) 872 00:39:16,753 --> 00:39:19,022 You know, Bob Mizer was the number one photographer 873 00:39:19,055 --> 00:39:20,057 of boys at the time. 874 00:39:21,558 --> 00:39:24,862 (upbeat jazz music) 875 00:39:24,895 --> 00:39:26,463 - [Dian] The stories about Ewell. 876 00:39:26,496 --> 00:39:27,765 Did you know Tom Ewell? 877 00:39:27,798 --> 00:39:29,866 - [Scotty] Oh yeah, I knew Tom very well. 878 00:39:29,900 --> 00:39:32,035 But Tom was a mad one. 879 00:39:32,068 --> 00:39:33,437 - [Dian] That's what we heard. 880 00:39:33,470 --> 00:39:36,040 He was in The Seven Year Itch. 881 00:39:37,174 --> 00:39:39,543 He was an everyman. 882 00:39:39,576 --> 00:39:40,544 - Tom Ewell, 883 00:39:40,577 --> 00:39:41,745 a lot of people didn't even know he was gay. 884 00:39:41,778 --> 00:39:43,013 But Tom, he could see 20 guys, 885 00:39:43,046 --> 00:39:45,415 one right after the other, and want more. 886 00:39:46,583 --> 00:39:49,987 So, I called them big users. (laughs) 887 00:39:50,020 --> 00:39:53,391 The three, what you call big users, three of them were: 888 00:39:54,591 --> 00:39:55,426 Tom Ewell 889 00:39:57,093 --> 00:39:58,629 and Ramon Novarro 890 00:39:58,662 --> 00:40:00,997 and Cole Porter. 891 00:40:01,031 --> 00:40:03,901 Cole Porter would say, "Can you bring 15 guys by? 892 00:40:03,934 --> 00:40:07,070 "I wanna suck 15 guys off, one right after the other." 893 00:40:07,103 --> 00:40:09,873 ♪ You're the top ♪ 894 00:40:09,906 --> 00:40:12,676 ♪ You're Mahatma Gandhi ♪ 895 00:40:12,709 --> 00:40:15,044 ♪ You're the top ♪ 896 00:40:15,078 --> 00:40:18,148 ♪ You're napoleon brandy ♪ 897 00:40:18,181 --> 00:40:21,485 (moves into bluesy jazz music) 898 00:40:21,518 --> 00:40:24,655 - Normally, I would not talk about it really, 899 00:40:24,688 --> 00:40:27,157 but people have often said, 900 00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:30,127 you couldn't have done that many things in, 901 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,962 in any given week, fixing up that many people, 902 00:40:32,996 --> 00:40:34,198 seeing that many people, 903 00:40:34,231 --> 00:40:35,566 doing this working at the gas station. 904 00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,134 You're fucking right, I did it. 905 00:40:37,167 --> 00:40:40,537 I fucked Bette Davis in World War II when she was married 906 00:40:40,570 --> 00:40:42,473 to a guy I used to fix up with tricks. 907 00:40:42,506 --> 00:40:44,074 And we used to have three-way deals. 908 00:40:45,575 --> 00:40:47,711 I went to bed with J. Edgar Hoover. 909 00:40:47,744 --> 00:40:48,912 He was in drag. 910 00:40:48,945 --> 00:40:51,215 He was not a great beauty either, you know, 911 00:40:51,248 --> 00:40:53,818 but I was treating him just like he's a girl. 912 00:40:55,285 --> 00:40:57,587 Judith Anderson was a friend of Alex Tear. 913 00:40:57,621 --> 00:41:00,090 Alex had said, "I'm sending Scotty over with a gift." 914 00:41:00,123 --> 00:41:01,024 "Where's the gift?" 915 00:41:01,057 --> 00:41:01,859 I'm the gift. 916 00:41:01,892 --> 00:41:03,259 You get what I mean? 917 00:41:03,293 --> 00:41:04,928 We finally go to bed together. 918 00:41:04,961 --> 00:41:06,863 But she was more into girls than guys, 919 00:41:06,897 --> 00:41:08,899 because later I fixed her up with girls. 920 00:41:10,033 --> 00:41:12,502 One day Cary Grant was in the gas station 921 00:41:12,536 --> 00:41:14,705 and Rock Hudson just happened to be there. 922 00:41:14,738 --> 00:41:16,073 Cary Grant picked him out, 923 00:41:16,106 --> 00:41:18,642 so I fixed him up with Rock for $20. 924 00:41:18,675 --> 00:41:20,110 And Rock saw him several times. 925 00:41:20,143 --> 00:41:22,046 This is before Rock had any money. 926 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,215 And Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh, 927 00:41:25,248 --> 00:41:27,251 I never tricked them together. 928 00:41:27,284 --> 00:41:28,952 I would fix them up with guys, 929 00:41:28,985 --> 00:41:32,055 and then I would see her at George Cukor's house. 930 00:41:32,088 --> 00:41:34,591 She would come and quietly open the gate, 931 00:41:34,624 --> 00:41:36,627 and all the way in it was, "Shh, don't say a word." 932 00:41:36,660 --> 00:41:38,761 10 minutes later in the bedroom as I'm fucking her, 933 00:41:38,795 --> 00:41:40,264 she's screaming. 934 00:41:40,297 --> 00:41:41,131 - Whoo! 935 00:41:42,165 --> 00:41:43,133 - And Bill Holden, 936 00:41:43,166 --> 00:41:46,003 I fixed him up with an awful lot of girls too. 937 00:41:46,036 --> 00:41:48,171 When they did Sunset Boulevard right here 938 00:41:48,204 --> 00:41:51,008 with Gloria Swanson and Bill Holden. 939 00:41:51,041 --> 00:41:54,044 And Bill called me and said, come on over. 940 00:41:54,077 --> 00:41:55,212 - Goodbye, Norma. 941 00:41:55,245 --> 00:41:56,813 - [Scotty] They did night scenes at the swimming pool, 942 00:41:56,846 --> 00:41:58,582 behind the big house that was there. 943 00:41:58,615 --> 00:41:59,817 - [Gloria] Joe! 944 00:42:01,084 --> 00:42:03,053 - I went over and fucked around all night long 945 00:42:03,086 --> 00:42:04,754 while they were shooting one little scene 946 00:42:04,788 --> 00:42:06,089 that could've taken three minutes to shoot. 947 00:42:06,122 --> 00:42:08,125 And I said, "Bill, forget that bullshit." 948 00:42:08,158 --> 00:42:10,594 (gun fires) 949 00:42:13,196 --> 00:42:14,898 Hi Tony. - Hello. 950 00:42:14,931 --> 00:42:16,767 - [Scotty] How are you, baby? 951 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,736 - And we still, he still comes to the house 952 00:42:19,769 --> 00:42:21,104 and works for me. - That's right. 953 00:42:21,137 --> 00:42:22,339 I still come and work here. 954 00:42:22,372 --> 00:42:23,941 - [Tony] But Scotty, you can show them around. 955 00:42:23,974 --> 00:42:25,276 You know the house. 956 00:42:28,111 --> 00:42:30,279 - See how many Emmys Tony has right here? 957 00:42:30,313 --> 00:42:31,148 Right there. 958 00:42:32,248 --> 00:42:34,217 (birds chirping) 959 00:42:34,250 --> 00:42:36,053 There are some gorgeous paintings here. 960 00:42:36,086 --> 00:42:40,723 Oh, (laughs) that's a thing he did of me. 961 00:42:40,757 --> 00:42:42,092 (laughs) 962 00:42:42,125 --> 00:42:44,728 - Since he serviced a lot of people, 963 00:42:44,761 --> 00:42:48,098 and we were having a party on the Fourth of July, 964 00:42:48,131 --> 00:42:51,734 and so, I had to have an American flag. 965 00:42:51,768 --> 00:42:56,774 And, of course, he did all of his work with the telephone, 966 00:42:58,008 --> 00:43:00,109 and most of it in a bedroom. 967 00:43:00,143 --> 00:43:01,778 - I mean very clever, Tony, 968 00:43:01,811 --> 00:43:03,246 the way he thought when he did it. 969 00:43:03,279 --> 00:43:07,117 - This is from a Fourth of July event. 970 00:43:07,150 --> 00:43:09,086 That's Joe Kennedy from Paris, 971 00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:13,190 and he was Big Dick Strauss, Richard Strauss. 972 00:43:13,223 --> 00:43:15,359 - [Scotty] Oh, yeah. I remember him. 973 00:43:15,392 --> 00:43:18,227 - [Tony] We would have a parade in drag. 974 00:43:18,261 --> 00:43:21,365 (bluesy jazz music) 975 00:43:31,341 --> 00:43:33,743 - [Scotty] Tony had all kind of parties. 976 00:43:34,911 --> 00:43:38,715 You know me, I'm up for anything. (laughs) 977 00:43:38,748 --> 00:43:42,185 I'm in it for anything, anytime, you know what I mean? 978 00:43:42,218 --> 00:43:43,319 (laughs) 979 00:43:43,353 --> 00:43:46,357 (bluesy jazz music) 980 00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:55,065 Hi honey. - Hi. 981 00:43:55,098 --> 00:43:56,833 - I got your car all covered and everything. 982 00:43:56,866 --> 00:43:59,236 Did you find Hollywood Sheet Music? 983 00:43:59,269 --> 00:44:01,238 - No, I went to Chico's instead. (laughs) 984 00:44:01,271 --> 00:44:02,906 - [Scotty] Oh. (laughs) 985 00:44:02,939 --> 00:44:05,142 - I'm going to a new place to sing Sunday. 986 00:44:05,175 --> 00:44:06,176 - [Matt] Oh, where? 987 00:44:06,209 --> 00:44:07,310 What's it called? - I don't know. 988 00:44:07,343 --> 00:44:08,278 - It's a fucking gay bar. 989 00:44:08,311 --> 00:44:10,814 - [Lois] It was beautiful. 990 00:44:10,847 --> 00:44:12,315 It was like a nightclub, 991 00:44:12,348 --> 00:44:14,183 and it felt very strange to be there on a Sunday afternoon. 992 00:44:14,217 --> 00:44:16,019 - Yeah, it's a purple lights and everything and-- 993 00:44:16,052 --> 00:44:20,791 - But, it was filled with gay guys, 994 00:44:20,824 --> 00:44:22,726 and I don't know how to react. 995 00:44:22,759 --> 00:44:24,361 I mean, you, you know, I don't care what they do, 996 00:44:24,394 --> 00:44:27,698 but I don't like to be in the middle of it, you know. 997 00:44:27,731 --> 00:44:32,302 - [Scotty] (laughs) You didn't know. 998 00:44:38,241 --> 00:44:40,277 - You know, I'm writing a book 999 00:44:40,310 --> 00:44:42,846 about how gays are treated in Hollywood. 1000 00:44:42,879 --> 00:44:46,083 So, when I came across your book, I mean I was just amazed. 1001 00:44:46,116 --> 00:44:47,451 - [Scotty] That's a perfect one to ask, right? 1002 00:44:47,484 --> 00:44:48,285 - Exactly. (laughs) 1003 00:44:48,318 --> 00:44:49,353 - [Scotty] You know, you're right. 1004 00:44:49,386 --> 00:44:51,721 - You're revealing a lot, so that was the point. 1005 00:44:51,755 --> 00:44:53,957 The fact that at that time, studio were trying to 1006 00:44:55,291 --> 00:44:56,860 secure what was happening with their leads-- 1007 00:44:56,893 --> 00:44:58,762 - Remember, at that time, many people who were gay 1008 00:44:58,795 --> 00:45:00,864 had jobs, that they would lose their jobs 1009 00:45:00,897 --> 00:45:02,433 if they were exposed in any way. 1010 00:45:04,033 --> 00:45:07,471 After World War II, the vice squad was red-hot in this town. 1011 00:45:09,506 --> 00:45:11,408 They were picking up guys for nothing. 1012 00:45:15,512 --> 00:45:20,718 - It wasn't fun, sitting in a gay bar on Melrose in 1962 1013 00:45:21,384 --> 00:45:22,953 waiting for the police to raid. 1014 00:45:22,986 --> 00:45:24,221 They'd go in there and they'd say, 1015 00:45:24,254 --> 00:45:26,390 "We have a quota of eight for tonight." 1016 00:45:28,124 --> 00:45:30,761 And you know, to be beaten up in public parks, 1017 00:45:30,794 --> 00:45:33,163 or have an effeminate friend 1018 00:45:33,196 --> 00:45:35,499 viciously attacked going down the street. 1019 00:45:37,066 --> 00:45:40,537 - It's probably hard for people who were born the last 20, 1020 00:45:40,570 --> 00:45:43,540 30, perhaps even 40 years to fully grasp 1021 00:45:43,573 --> 00:45:46,343 how difficult it was. 1022 00:45:46,376 --> 00:45:48,078 Not only was it hard for them 1023 00:45:48,111 --> 00:45:49,346 to find someone to fall in love, 1024 00:45:49,379 --> 00:45:52,249 but if they tried, they could go to jail, 1025 00:45:52,282 --> 00:45:53,884 they could go to a institution 1026 00:45:53,917 --> 00:45:56,819 where they might be castrated or lobotomized. 1027 00:45:56,853 --> 00:46:00,290 This was a terrible, terrible time for people. 1028 00:46:01,457 --> 00:46:03,259 - Crush the monster. 1029 00:46:03,293 --> 00:46:04,961 Crush homosexuality. 1030 00:46:04,994 --> 00:46:07,965 Homosexuality is, in fact a mental illness, 1031 00:46:09,265 --> 00:46:12,202 which has reached epidemiological proportions. 1032 00:46:12,235 --> 00:46:13,503 - When we hear about these stories 1033 00:46:13,536 --> 00:46:15,438 of people being arrested in the parks, 1034 00:46:15,471 --> 00:46:17,407 and we think, oh, they must have been such degenerates 1035 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,309 to be down there having sex in public. 1036 00:46:19,342 --> 00:46:21,878 But in some cases, you know, they were simply there 1037 00:46:21,911 --> 00:46:24,581 to meet someone like themselves. 1038 00:46:24,614 --> 00:46:28,351 Scotty was able to allow these people to have lives 1039 00:46:28,384 --> 00:46:30,287 that were honest and authentic, 1040 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,456 which is really what they were seeking. 1041 00:46:34,457 --> 00:46:37,294 - I think what Scotty did was kind of 1042 00:46:37,327 --> 00:46:39,462 an introduction service. 1043 00:46:39,495 --> 00:46:43,200 People wanted something, Scotty would get it for them. 1044 00:46:43,233 --> 00:46:47,204 Being exploited may be true of prostitution, 1045 00:46:47,237 --> 00:46:48,538 but that wasn't what Scotty did. 1046 00:46:48,571 --> 00:46:50,374 It wasn't prostitution. 1047 00:46:52,008 --> 00:46:54,544 - Oh man! - Hello, baby! (laughs) 1048 00:46:54,577 --> 00:46:58,415 - This man helped buy this house 1049 00:46:59,282 --> 00:47:02,185 in the darkest days of my life 1050 00:47:02,218 --> 00:47:04,620 when motion pictures sucked. 1051 00:47:04,654 --> 00:47:08,525 If it wasn't for this guy, he, I'd be, I would have sank. 1052 00:47:09,993 --> 00:47:12,362 - You sweetheart. (laughs) - I love you. 1053 00:47:12,395 --> 00:47:13,463 - Al, you sweet baby. 1054 00:47:13,496 --> 00:47:14,531 - You have no idea. 1055 00:47:14,564 --> 00:47:16,500 He never took a dime of my money. 1056 00:47:18,101 --> 00:47:22,372 He, he introduced me to some great, nice people, 1057 00:47:22,405 --> 00:47:23,407 like John Schlessinger. 1058 00:47:24,974 --> 00:47:29,580 I was the least qualified of all of his boys. 1059 00:47:30,446 --> 00:47:32,249 But I made a tidy sum, you know? 1060 00:47:32,282 --> 00:47:34,918 And like Scotty's motto always was, 1061 00:47:34,951 --> 00:47:37,287 "That's 20 bucks I never had." 1062 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,489 And that's his philosophy, and, 1063 00:47:39,522 --> 00:47:41,958 and that's why he's so successful. 1064 00:47:41,991 --> 00:47:43,126 - That's right. 1065 00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:44,628 You, you know, I never took a dime from anyone, right? 1066 00:47:44,661 --> 00:47:45,896 You bet. - Yeah, never. 1067 00:47:45,929 --> 00:47:46,529 Never, never, never. 1068 00:47:46,562 --> 00:47:47,464 There's his book. 1069 00:47:47,497 --> 00:47:48,999 Oh, is this you, Scott? 1070 00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:50,600 This photo, that's you! 1071 00:47:50,633 --> 00:47:53,502 You were posing sometime in the '50s or the '60s. 1072 00:47:53,536 --> 00:47:54,537 - Yeah, that is me. 1073 00:47:54,570 --> 00:47:55,238 I remember. 1074 00:47:55,271 --> 00:47:56,439 Did you like the book at all? 1075 00:47:56,472 --> 00:47:57,607 Did you read it? - Yeah! 1076 00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,545 Everybody's reading it, and I tell them it's all true. 1077 00:48:03,279 --> 00:48:04,447 - You know, we were very close, 1078 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,483 and I fixed him up with a lot of good tricks, didn't I? 1079 00:48:06,516 --> 00:48:09,619 - You bet, and some bad ones too like Paul Lynde, the drunk. 1080 00:48:09,652 --> 00:48:11,121 - [Scotty] Oh, remember Paul Lynde? 1081 00:48:11,154 --> 00:48:12,589 Remember Paul Lynde? - (sighs) Ay-yai-yai. 1082 00:48:12,622 --> 00:48:13,957 - [Scotty] Jeez, Paul was, Paul was wicked. 1083 00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:16,192 - And George Cukor, the salivator. 1084 00:48:16,225 --> 00:48:18,127 (laughs) 1085 00:48:18,161 --> 00:48:20,397 Yeah, we had some great times. (laughs) 1086 00:48:20,430 --> 00:48:23,466 You know, I've tried working for pimps and it's horrible. 1087 00:48:23,499 --> 00:48:25,234 Scotty was never a pimp. 1088 00:48:26,402 --> 00:48:29,239 He was a friend doing another friend 1089 00:48:29,272 --> 00:48:31,508 a service and helping both ends. 1090 00:48:32,642 --> 00:48:35,078 And for that, I really respect him. 1091 00:48:36,512 --> 00:48:38,448 - [Answering Machine] Time not set. 1092 00:48:38,481 --> 00:48:39,950 Message two. 1093 00:48:39,983 --> 00:48:40,583 - [Dian] Hey, Scotty. 1094 00:48:40,616 --> 00:48:42,452 This is Dian Hanson. 1095 00:48:42,485 --> 00:48:43,687 Not sure if you remember me. 1096 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:45,622 We met at the Benedict Passions 1097 00:48:45,655 --> 00:48:49,492 and I'd like to talk to you about a book project. 1098 00:48:49,525 --> 00:48:51,428 We'd like to have you do some writing, 1099 00:48:51,461 --> 00:48:53,330 I would work with you on it. 1100 00:48:53,363 --> 00:48:57,134 It involves World War II, so please give me a call. 1101 00:49:00,737 --> 00:49:03,674 (Scotty whistling) 1102 00:49:05,308 --> 00:49:09,613 - The Crossroads is (laughs) same as it was, 75 years ago. 1103 00:49:10,713 --> 00:49:12,349 And, and on a Saturday afternoon, 1104 00:49:12,382 --> 00:49:15,752 right here there'd be well over 1,000 servicemen in uniform. 1105 00:49:15,785 --> 00:49:18,455 And this was in 1942, this was during World War II 1106 00:49:18,488 --> 00:49:20,557 when this took place. 1107 00:49:23,393 --> 00:49:24,694 - We recently found these photos. 1108 00:49:24,727 --> 00:49:27,596 A guy contacted me, a huge collection 1109 00:49:27,630 --> 00:49:30,567 of amateur photos from World War II. 1110 00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,004 And we're gonna make a book about this. 1111 00:49:34,037 --> 00:49:36,106 I'm thinking of calling it My Buddy, 1112 00:49:36,139 --> 00:49:38,274 which is named after a song 1113 00:49:38,307 --> 00:49:39,709 that was popular in World War II. 1114 00:49:39,742 --> 00:49:42,245 I mean, look at these, walking along, 1115 00:49:42,278 --> 00:49:44,481 crossing a bridge with their dogs. 1116 00:49:44,514 --> 00:49:45,415 - [Scotty] Everything and a hat, 1117 00:49:45,449 --> 00:49:47,350 and the whole bit, and the rifle, and... 1118 00:49:47,383 --> 00:49:49,486 - [Dian] And then, I found this: 1119 00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:52,388 a man being consoled when his buddy has been killed. 1120 00:49:52,422 --> 00:49:53,790 - That's right, and it's got nothing to do 1121 00:49:53,823 --> 00:49:55,025 with the gay bit at all. 1122 00:49:55,058 --> 00:49:57,227 It's just buddy-buddy. 1123 00:49:58,428 --> 00:50:00,563 - [Dian] You offer such a unique resource 1124 00:50:00,596 --> 00:50:02,699 'cause you were Marine who was actually there. 1125 00:50:06,402 --> 00:50:07,704 - I don't know why he, you know, 1126 00:50:07,737 --> 00:50:09,606 that's not like him. 1127 00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:13,309 But you can see, it's just falling apart. 1128 00:50:13,342 --> 00:50:14,511 It's dangerous. 1129 00:50:16,579 --> 00:50:17,414 Hello. 1130 00:50:22,618 --> 00:50:23,787 - It was Rod on the phone. 1131 00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:25,255 That fucking house sold, 1132 00:50:25,288 --> 00:50:27,157 I gotta get my stuff out of that garage. 1133 00:50:27,190 --> 00:50:28,558 - [Lois] Oh my God. 1134 00:50:28,591 --> 00:50:29,726 - Within 10 days. 1135 00:50:49,245 --> 00:50:51,181 (laughs) 1136 00:50:51,214 --> 00:50:53,616 I'm young and innocent-looking there, 1137 00:50:53,649 --> 00:50:56,653 though I wasn't, but. (laughs) 1138 00:50:56,686 --> 00:50:57,687 What's this? 1139 00:50:57,720 --> 00:50:58,520 This a picture. 1140 00:50:58,554 --> 00:50:59,356 Is this a picture too? 1141 00:51:00,389 --> 00:51:01,191 - [Matt] Can I see? 1142 00:51:01,224 --> 00:51:02,092 Can I see? 1143 00:51:02,125 --> 00:51:02,859 Which one are you? 1144 00:51:02,892 --> 00:51:04,694 - Right here, right there. 1145 00:51:04,727 --> 00:51:06,296 Here, here, here I am right here. 1146 00:51:07,396 --> 00:51:09,699 That's my mother's handwriting, I can see. 1147 00:51:09,732 --> 00:51:13,203 That teacher, Mrs. Ham, Ham, Hammerhand, 1148 00:51:13,236 --> 00:51:15,605 she was a nice lady 1149 00:51:15,638 --> 00:51:19,209 who liked a little girl I was going with. 1150 00:51:19,242 --> 00:51:21,611 I used to fix her up with a girl I was going with 1151 00:51:21,644 --> 00:51:23,680 because she was a dyke and her brother was gay, 1152 00:51:23,713 --> 00:51:26,516 and I'd always trick her brother. (laughs) 1153 00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:28,284 - [Matt] How old were you? 1154 00:51:28,317 --> 00:51:29,719 - Whatever I was there. 1155 00:51:29,752 --> 00:51:33,423 When I was 11, yeah, probably. 1156 00:51:33,456 --> 00:51:35,458 - [Matt] You didn't have any problem with that? 1157 00:51:35,491 --> 00:51:37,227 - Oh, no, fuck, are you kidding? 1158 00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:39,629 I never had a problem with that shit at all, baby. 1159 00:51:39,662 --> 00:51:40,462 (laughs) 1160 00:51:40,496 --> 00:51:41,697 Never. 1161 00:51:41,731 --> 00:51:44,667 I was always tricking, even when I was very young, you know, 1162 00:51:44,700 --> 00:51:46,236 even back on the farm. 1163 00:51:47,637 --> 00:51:52,809 (birds chirping) (slow soft music) 1164 00:51:54,777 --> 00:51:56,779 With the Depression being at its full swing, 1165 00:51:56,812 --> 00:51:58,647 you couldn't make a dime from the farm. 1166 00:52:01,717 --> 00:52:03,720 And certainly there, it wasn't a lot of food. 1167 00:52:06,522 --> 00:52:08,290 My brother was two years older 1168 00:52:08,324 --> 00:52:10,160 and my sister was two years younger. 1169 00:52:11,727 --> 00:52:14,364 I had a very nice childhood, a good childhood. 1170 00:52:15,798 --> 00:52:19,169 And that neighbor who had two kids and everything, 1171 00:52:19,202 --> 00:52:21,237 and his wife was a sweetheart, and he was too, 1172 00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:23,606 and I couldn't think of anything but nice things about them. 1173 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:24,707 Just because he wanted to cuddle me 1174 00:52:24,740 --> 00:52:26,875 and hold me and jack off me, nothing wrong with that. 1175 00:52:26,909 --> 00:52:29,412 I mean, there's nothing wrong with that, baby. 1176 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,682 - [Matt] Many people would consider that child abuse. 1177 00:52:32,715 --> 00:52:34,551 But you don't think of yourself as abused? 1178 00:52:34,584 --> 00:52:35,417 - Being abused? 1179 00:52:35,451 --> 00:52:36,753 Absolutely not. 1180 00:52:36,786 --> 00:52:38,321 I mean, this is bullshit, Matt. 1181 00:52:39,755 --> 00:52:41,424 There's no such thing as somebody ruining your life 1182 00:52:41,457 --> 00:52:42,659 when they suck your cock. 1183 00:52:42,692 --> 00:52:44,327 The only way that they ruin your life 1184 00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,296 is when they run over you with a bus on the street. 1185 00:52:46,329 --> 00:52:47,531 That can ruin your life. 1186 00:52:48,664 --> 00:52:49,832 And even as a little bitty kid, Matt, 1187 00:52:49,865 --> 00:52:52,468 I never saw anything wrong with anything. 1188 00:52:52,501 --> 00:52:55,205 You know what, (laughs) 1189 00:52:55,238 --> 00:52:56,640 I went along with everything. 1190 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,642 And I never told anybody. 1191 00:52:59,675 --> 00:53:03,413 (dramatic theatrical music) 1192 00:53:06,716 --> 00:53:07,750 When we moved to Chicago, 1193 00:53:07,783 --> 00:53:09,452 my mother and father had divorced, 1194 00:53:09,485 --> 00:53:11,288 and I ended up later with a stepdad. 1195 00:53:12,521 --> 00:53:13,689 We moved directly across the street 1196 00:53:13,722 --> 00:53:17,260 from Holy Angels Church on Oakwood Boulevard in Chicago. 1197 00:53:17,293 --> 00:53:18,695 We had an old car with a trailer, 1198 00:53:18,728 --> 00:53:20,463 went loading, and a priest introduced himself, 1199 00:53:20,496 --> 00:53:22,465 and he, I could tell by the look in his eye, 1200 00:53:22,498 --> 00:53:23,733 he kind of wanted me, 1201 00:53:23,766 --> 00:53:24,834 and I'm over there staying all night 1202 00:53:24,867 --> 00:53:26,536 with him the first night we're there. 1203 00:53:26,569 --> 00:53:28,939 And I thought, uh-oh, I could pick up a few bucks. 1204 00:53:30,273 --> 00:53:33,243 Then he proceeded to fix me up with friends. 1205 00:53:33,276 --> 00:53:35,444 And through him, I'd meet other priests 1206 00:53:35,478 --> 00:53:36,846 that I would go to their church. 1207 00:53:36,879 --> 00:53:41,817 Within weeks, I had seen approximately 25 or 30 priests. 1208 00:53:42,885 --> 00:53:43,686 They'd paid me off in change: 1209 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,588 penny, nickels, dimes, and quarters. 1210 00:53:45,621 --> 00:53:47,657 Whatever they got out of the collection box, you know? 1211 00:53:47,690 --> 00:53:49,793 (laughs) 1212 00:53:50,660 --> 00:53:53,930 (lively jazz music) 1213 00:53:53,963 --> 00:53:56,766 I was always out hustling around. 1214 00:53:56,799 --> 00:53:58,801 And I would go downtown, shining shoes, 1215 00:53:58,834 --> 00:54:00,636 selling papers, selling rubbers. 1216 00:54:00,670 --> 00:54:01,871 You know what I mean? 1217 00:54:01,904 --> 00:54:03,273 I had that going, and the tricking too. 1218 00:54:03,306 --> 00:54:04,874 And, baby, I had a very good thing going. 1219 00:54:04,907 --> 00:54:07,477 You know, everybody knew me downtown. 1220 00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:08,611 Are you kidding? 1221 00:54:08,645 --> 00:54:09,979 And they'd take me over to their apartment and then, 1222 00:54:10,012 --> 00:54:11,848 then they had their friends over. 1223 00:54:11,881 --> 00:54:13,383 - [Matt] Your mother never knew that you were-- 1224 00:54:13,416 --> 00:54:14,851 - [Scotty] Never picked up, 1225 00:54:14,884 --> 00:54:16,819 my brother and sister never picked up on it at all. 1226 00:54:16,852 --> 00:54:19,355 My brother, Donald, did his own little thing 1227 00:54:19,388 --> 00:54:21,824 in a very square way, never said a word to him. 1228 00:54:21,857 --> 00:54:23,860 He thought I was selling papers and magazines. 1229 00:54:23,893 --> 00:54:25,928 I never mentioned a trick to him at any time. 1230 00:54:25,961 --> 00:54:28,298 Him, my sister, my mother, anybody. 1231 00:54:28,331 --> 00:54:31,968 My little thing I was doing all by myself. (laughs) 1232 00:54:33,836 --> 00:54:37,439 (jazzy theatrical music) 1233 00:54:38,574 --> 00:54:40,610 Many years later, when Dr. Kinsey met me, 1234 00:54:40,643 --> 00:54:41,845 he'd already heard about me. 1235 00:54:43,679 --> 00:54:47,717 That's why he interviewed me about four, five or six times. 1236 00:54:48,551 --> 00:54:50,987 Kinsey was a zoologist, 1237 00:54:51,020 --> 00:54:53,756 and he started the Institute of Sex Research, 1238 00:54:53,789 --> 00:54:55,492 Indiana University in Bloomington. 1239 00:54:56,926 --> 00:54:58,995 - This research has been possible 1240 00:54:59,028 --> 00:55:02,531 because of tens of thousands of people who have cooperated. 1241 00:55:02,565 --> 00:55:04,867 - Scotty did play an academic role 1242 00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:06,669 in the sexual revolution in a way, 1243 00:55:06,702 --> 00:55:08,971 because he was the connective tissue 1244 00:55:09,004 --> 00:55:11,874 between the academic Kinsey 1245 00:55:11,907 --> 00:55:13,676 and the people who were doing it. 1246 00:55:13,709 --> 00:55:16,479 Scotty was a revelation to Kinsey. 1247 00:55:16,512 --> 00:55:17,947 - [Scotty] We became friends 1248 00:55:17,980 --> 00:55:19,782 and he liked interviewing me. 1249 00:55:19,815 --> 00:55:21,084 I was one of the only people 1250 00:55:21,117 --> 00:55:23,419 that completed interview from one end to the other, 1251 00:55:23,452 --> 00:55:25,088 meaning, had done everything. 1252 00:55:25,121 --> 00:55:26,456 It would always start out by saying, 1253 00:55:26,489 --> 00:55:27,957 "You ever had sex with a girl?" 1254 00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:29,024 Yes. 1255 00:55:29,058 --> 00:55:30,827 What did you do with, you know, doom, doom, doom. 1256 00:55:30,860 --> 00:55:31,661 How about with a guy? 1257 00:55:31,694 --> 00:55:32,495 Yes. 1258 00:55:32,528 --> 00:55:33,129 What did you do? 1259 00:55:33,162 --> 00:55:34,062 Everything? 1260 00:55:34,096 --> 00:55:34,997 How about with an animal? 1261 00:55:35,030 --> 00:55:35,932 Yes. 1262 00:55:35,965 --> 00:55:37,500 So whatever he had, I did. 1263 00:55:37,533 --> 00:55:40,136 And I got him, not only the best interviews he had, 1264 00:55:40,169 --> 00:55:43,406 I took him to gang bang parties and things like that, 1265 00:55:43,439 --> 00:55:45,975 and put him in a fucking bedroom and everybody fucking, 1266 00:55:46,008 --> 00:55:48,144 and mainly guys, and then, girls and guys. 1267 00:55:48,177 --> 00:55:50,146 And, and he'd be over there and I'd crawl over 1268 00:55:50,179 --> 00:55:51,781 and reach to see if he had a hard-on, 1269 00:55:51,814 --> 00:55:54,016 and he'd say, "Scotty, I'm just observing, you know that." 1270 00:55:54,049 --> 00:55:55,451 (laughs) 1271 00:55:55,484 --> 00:55:57,487 I think he had a hard-on watching. 1272 00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,924 (jazzy theatrical music) 1273 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,828 - [Guard] Hi there. 1274 00:56:05,861 --> 00:56:07,529 - The name is Scott, Ellie Valiant Byron Clark's place. 1275 00:56:11,033 --> 00:56:13,002 (panting) 1276 00:56:15,171 --> 00:56:18,375 (people chattering) 1277 00:56:23,646 --> 00:56:24,981 I do a lot of bartending. 1278 00:56:25,014 --> 00:56:26,749 That looks full, but it's just the ice 1279 00:56:26,782 --> 00:56:27,883 that makes it look that. 1280 00:56:27,917 --> 00:56:30,720 And I started doing it, shortly after the gas station. 1281 00:56:31,987 --> 00:56:34,157 I left the gas station after about 10 years. 1282 00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:36,492 You know, the, the station got so busy, 1283 00:56:36,525 --> 00:56:38,027 and I thought, the vice squad 1284 00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:39,996 has got to get onto this eventually. 1285 00:56:41,063 --> 00:56:41,998 There's a vodka. 1286 00:56:42,031 --> 00:56:44,700 Even though I was in full swing of tricking, 1287 00:56:44,733 --> 00:56:46,636 people that I knew started, you know, 1288 00:56:46,669 --> 00:56:48,937 when, I'm having a party, why don't you tend bar for me, 1289 00:56:48,971 --> 00:56:49,772 things like that. 1290 00:56:49,805 --> 00:56:51,040 So I proceeded to that. 1291 00:56:51,073 --> 00:56:52,074 - Read your book. 1292 00:56:52,107 --> 00:56:53,109 You behaved yourself. 1293 00:56:53,142 --> 00:56:55,511 (laughs) 1294 00:56:59,715 --> 00:57:01,584 - The desk needs cleaning, that's true. 1295 00:57:01,617 --> 00:57:04,787 But in the meantime, I know where things are, 1296 00:57:04,820 --> 00:57:07,089 and it's not exactly in file, 1297 00:57:07,122 --> 00:57:09,192 it's just written down on available space. 1298 00:57:09,225 --> 00:57:11,127 - [Matt] When you were writing down a trick, 1299 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:12,095 it was the same thing? 1300 00:57:12,128 --> 00:57:13,729 - Yeah, but when I was writing down tricks, 1301 00:57:13,762 --> 00:57:15,965 I didn't, it wasn't lying around. 1302 00:57:15,998 --> 00:57:17,100 It was in my pocket, 1303 00:57:18,100 --> 00:57:20,002 and it was for the moment. 1304 00:57:20,035 --> 00:57:22,071 And the moment that was taken care of, 1305 00:57:22,104 --> 00:57:25,006 it was torn up and, really torn up and thrown away. 1306 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:26,008 You follow what I mean? 1307 00:57:26,041 --> 00:57:27,577 - [Matt] So you did that because you were worried 1308 00:57:27,610 --> 00:57:28,811 Confidential might pick it up? 1309 00:57:28,844 --> 00:57:30,480 - 'Cause they could, those son of a bitches 1310 00:57:30,513 --> 00:57:31,614 went through garbage and everything, 1311 00:57:31,647 --> 00:57:32,582 you know what I'm talking about. 1312 00:57:32,615 --> 00:57:33,482 - [Matt] Confidential? 1313 00:57:33,516 --> 00:57:34,617 - Oh, yeah. 1314 00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:39,021 ♪ You got to accentuate the positive ♪ 1315 00:57:39,054 --> 00:57:40,623 ♪ Eliminate the negative ♪ 1316 00:57:40,656 --> 00:57:42,124 - [Scotty] There was a paper much like the Enquirer, 1317 00:57:42,157 --> 00:57:43,860 called Confidential. 1318 00:57:44,994 --> 00:57:47,063 Confidential was a red-hot thing 1319 00:57:47,096 --> 00:57:50,600 where they exposed anyone that was well-known that was gay. 1320 00:57:50,633 --> 00:57:53,069 ♪ You got to spread joy ♪ 1321 00:57:53,102 --> 00:57:54,770 ♪ Up to the maximum ♪ 1322 00:57:54,803 --> 00:57:56,571 ♪ Bring gloom down to the minimum ♪ 1323 00:57:56,605 --> 00:58:00,977 - I am going to file a $25 million libel suit 1324 00:58:01,010 --> 00:58:04,080 against Confidential Magazine. 1325 00:58:04,113 --> 00:58:05,647 - If it was written that you were gay 1326 00:58:05,681 --> 00:58:08,084 in Confidential Magazine, your career was over. 1327 00:58:09,618 --> 00:58:12,154 - Confidential came as close as you ever could 1328 00:58:12,187 --> 00:58:15,758 to toppling the whole house of cards here. 1329 00:58:15,791 --> 00:58:17,793 - [Scotty] Confidential came to me with stories 1330 00:58:17,826 --> 00:58:19,896 that they had already written and said, 1331 00:58:19,929 --> 00:58:21,597 you just have to sign the story 1332 00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:24,066 and say the story is true. 1333 00:58:24,099 --> 00:58:26,702 They'd hand you an envelope with $1,000 in, 1334 00:58:26,735 --> 00:58:29,038 and most people would've signed for $1,000. 1335 00:58:30,139 --> 00:58:34,043 One story was at Frank Sinatra's house in Palm Springs, 1336 00:58:35,311 --> 00:58:38,715 when I had a three-way with Ava Gardner and Lana Turner. 1337 00:58:41,116 --> 00:58:42,785 Ava Gardner and Lana Turner, 1338 00:58:42,818 --> 00:58:45,955 they were buddy-buddy in those days, you know? 1339 00:58:45,988 --> 00:58:47,589 They were a little stoned, 1340 00:58:47,623 --> 00:58:49,692 and they were in the pool in the nude, 1341 00:58:49,725 --> 00:58:51,961 and pretty soon we're in bed together. 1342 00:58:51,994 --> 00:58:53,195 The word got around. 1343 00:58:53,228 --> 00:58:54,997 You know how the word gets around? 1344 00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:58,134 Confidential came to me with a story first, 1345 00:58:58,167 --> 00:58:59,769 and that's one they wanted me to sign 1346 00:58:59,802 --> 00:59:01,237 and I wouldn't sign it. 1347 00:59:01,270 --> 00:59:02,872 After I wouldn't sign it, 1348 00:59:02,905 --> 00:59:04,640 they grabbed two other guys who signed 1349 00:59:04,673 --> 00:59:06,008 and went for the money. 1350 00:59:06,976 --> 00:59:08,978 (slow bluesy music) 1351 00:59:09,011 --> 00:59:10,179 - He declined to do it. 1352 00:59:11,146 --> 00:59:13,182 I'm sure he could've used the money. 1353 00:59:13,215 --> 00:59:15,985 $1,000 was a lot more back then than it is now. 1354 00:59:16,919 --> 00:59:18,821 But his personal code of honor 1355 00:59:18,854 --> 00:59:20,156 prevented him from doing that. 1356 00:59:25,260 --> 00:59:26,095 - Hello, baby. 1357 00:59:27,062 --> 00:59:28,197 Hi sweetheart. 1358 00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:29,632 That's a pretty kitty. 1359 00:59:29,665 --> 00:59:31,267 Just look at that pretty little thing. 1360 00:59:35,704 --> 00:59:38,107 Chicken dinner, tender chicken dinner. 1361 00:59:38,140 --> 00:59:40,777 Gotta get some of that. (laughs) 1362 00:59:41,877 --> 00:59:44,212 Tender chicken dinner for my kitties. 1363 00:59:50,686 --> 00:59:51,887 Look at the size of that cat food. 1364 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:53,222 It's a little bitty thing, 1365 00:59:54,390 --> 00:59:57,359 and that particular thing was $1.69 plus tax. 1366 00:59:57,393 --> 00:59:59,195 That's fucking you when they charge you that much 1367 00:59:59,228 --> 01:00:01,397 for a little bitty can of food like that. 1368 01:00:01,430 --> 01:00:02,330 I always, when I go over there, 1369 01:00:02,365 --> 01:00:04,100 I always throw a couple, three in my pocket 1370 01:00:04,133 --> 01:00:05,334 for my little kitty, you know. 1371 01:00:05,367 --> 01:00:07,203 And, all she does when you open it is, 1372 01:00:07,236 --> 01:00:08,804 lick the moisture off of it, 1373 01:00:08,837 --> 01:00:10,006 eat a couple of little bites, 1374 01:00:10,039 --> 01:00:12,141 and then I put the rest out for the skunks. 1375 01:00:19,281 --> 01:00:22,284 Do you want me to show you that picture? 1376 01:00:22,317 --> 01:00:23,152 - [Matt] Sure. 1377 01:00:25,988 --> 01:00:28,723 - Baby was a wonderful little doggie 1378 01:00:28,757 --> 01:00:30,326 that came to the house. 1379 01:00:30,359 --> 01:00:32,294 She just all of a sudden appeared one day 1380 01:00:32,327 --> 01:00:35,031 and she was my baby from then on. 1381 01:00:45,774 --> 01:00:47,676 Oh, here I got a book I wanna show you. 1382 01:00:49,278 --> 01:00:51,781 This is by Cecil Beaton. 1383 01:00:51,814 --> 01:00:55,116 He liked to be called Cecil, you know. (laughs) 1384 01:00:55,150 --> 01:00:56,952 Cecil was very grand, you know. 1385 01:00:56,985 --> 01:00:59,689 "Don't call me Cee-cil, the name is Sesille." 1386 01:00:59,722 --> 01:01:01,023 He's a great photographer, 1387 01:01:01,056 --> 01:01:02,992 and he photographed the Royal family. 1388 01:01:03,025 --> 01:01:05,228 And somebody gave me this and I'm in it. 1389 01:01:07,296 --> 01:01:08,297 There it is, Scotty. 1390 01:01:09,331 --> 01:01:11,300 "Scotty is a phenomenon. 1391 01:01:11,333 --> 01:01:12,234 "I heard several years ago 1392 01:01:12,268 --> 01:01:14,036 "that the police had caught up with him, 1393 01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:17,073 "that he quit his racket and was out of the running. 1394 01:01:17,106 --> 01:01:20,309 "This is a blow to me 'cause I'm very fond of him. 1395 01:01:20,342 --> 01:01:22,912 "But no, Scotty appeared among the bushes 1396 01:01:22,945 --> 01:01:25,748 "at a Beverly Hills bungalows with his smiling 1397 01:01:25,781 --> 01:01:27,283 "and trimmed form as ever. 1398 01:01:28,450 --> 01:01:31,354 "He still continues his nefarious activities." 1399 01:01:32,521 --> 01:01:35,324 - [Matt] It's like you were hiding in plain sight. 1400 01:01:35,357 --> 01:01:37,060 You were always very discreet. 1401 01:01:38,026 --> 01:01:39,794 - No, but it was just like, Matt, 1402 01:01:39,828 --> 01:01:43,032 when I took people to see Wally and Edward, 1403 01:01:43,932 --> 01:01:45,433 I never told one person, 1404 01:01:45,467 --> 01:01:47,403 even though they were close buddies. 1405 01:01:47,436 --> 01:01:49,739 And they were seeing the Duke and Duchess. 1406 01:01:50,973 --> 01:01:53,308 When I met the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, 1407 01:01:53,342 --> 01:01:55,845 he said, "You came so highly recommended. 1408 01:01:55,878 --> 01:01:59,014 "Cecil Beaton's told me about you numerous times." 1409 01:01:59,047 --> 01:02:02,051 And he said, "I feel that I know you." 1410 01:02:02,084 --> 01:02:05,988 - The Duchess and I are actually very glad 1411 01:02:06,021 --> 01:02:08,157 to set foot in America again. 1412 01:02:10,325 --> 01:02:12,127 - My friend was a manager of the Beverly Hills Hotel, 1413 01:02:12,161 --> 01:02:13,395 so I would get a bungalow 1414 01:02:13,428 --> 01:02:15,131 at the Beverly Hills Hotel for a whole week, 1415 01:02:15,164 --> 01:02:17,099 and then flood them with people. 1416 01:02:17,132 --> 01:02:18,768 As you know, the bungalows there, even today, 1417 01:02:18,801 --> 01:02:20,536 you can walk straight into from the street. 1418 01:02:20,569 --> 01:02:22,271 It was easy to get people in and out 1419 01:02:22,304 --> 01:02:24,407 and never ask who was there at all. 1420 01:02:25,874 --> 01:02:27,910 Two at a time, sometimes three at a time, 1421 01:02:27,943 --> 01:02:29,779 but usually two at a time. 1422 01:02:29,812 --> 01:02:31,781 Maybe I'd bring a guy and a girl or both; 1423 01:02:31,814 --> 01:02:34,783 a girl for her, a guy for him. 1424 01:02:34,817 --> 01:02:37,520 He'd like to see guys and girls together, 1425 01:02:37,553 --> 01:02:40,321 and then, sort of work his way in. 1426 01:02:40,355 --> 01:02:43,359 And when a guy wants to see a guy and girl together, 1427 01:02:43,392 --> 01:02:45,528 they're usually gay or have tendency of being gay, 1428 01:02:45,561 --> 01:02:46,529 because if they were straight, 1429 01:02:46,562 --> 01:02:48,430 why would they want the guy? 1430 01:02:48,463 --> 01:02:50,132 She's the one that would do the talking. 1431 01:02:50,165 --> 01:02:51,967 He'd sit there this whole time and not say a word, 1432 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:53,569 he was very shy and bashful. 1433 01:02:53,602 --> 01:02:55,904 She's the one that would say we're gonna do this, 1434 01:02:55,938 --> 01:02:57,239 we're gonna do that, we'll suck his cock. 1435 01:02:57,272 --> 01:02:58,073 Do this, do that. 1436 01:02:58,106 --> 01:02:59,341 You know what I mean? 1437 01:02:59,374 --> 01:03:01,944 I mean, you know, she was a real ballsy chick. 1438 01:03:01,977 --> 01:03:04,113 But they thought what I did 1439 01:03:04,146 --> 01:03:06,482 was the nicest thing that ever happened to them. 1440 01:03:07,916 --> 01:03:10,986 If Eddie and them were around now, and Ronnie, 1441 01:03:11,019 --> 01:03:13,122 I might tell them now, now the book is out, 1442 01:03:13,155 --> 01:03:14,423 "That was, that was them that you saw 1443 01:03:14,456 --> 01:03:15,892 "at the Beverly Hills Hotel." 1444 01:03:26,034 --> 01:03:27,870 (birds chirping) 1445 01:03:27,903 --> 01:03:31,073 It just, it seems like I just keep adding. 1446 01:03:31,106 --> 01:03:32,408 You know, I'd come in, I'd throw this there, 1447 01:03:32,441 --> 01:03:34,475 and this there, and... 1448 01:03:34,509 --> 01:03:36,345 - [Matt] Do you still work at the desk or is-- 1449 01:03:36,378 --> 01:03:38,080 - No, I can't get to the desk now. 1450 01:03:39,147 --> 01:03:40,549 I'll eventually get there again. 1451 01:03:43,452 --> 01:03:45,221 Look how pretty that tiger is. 1452 01:03:45,254 --> 01:03:47,156 It just came in, someone brought it in, 1453 01:03:47,189 --> 01:03:48,357 at Out of the Closet, 1454 01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:49,391 and I said, "How much?" 1455 01:03:49,424 --> 01:03:50,960 And he said three bucks. 1456 01:03:52,494 --> 01:03:54,397 It looks kind of real, doesn't it? 1457 01:03:56,331 --> 01:03:57,933 - It's horrible. 1458 01:03:57,966 --> 01:04:00,536 We just can't live like this. 1459 01:04:00,569 --> 01:04:01,871 It's dangerous. 1460 01:04:03,005 --> 01:04:04,206 I was talking about getting help, 1461 01:04:04,239 --> 01:04:05,608 but you can't get help until you cleaned, 1462 01:04:05,641 --> 01:04:07,943 had the house cleaned out. 1463 01:04:07,976 --> 01:04:11,480 And one way to do it is to call Social Services. 1464 01:04:11,513 --> 01:04:14,283 It would be considered elder abuse for him 1465 01:04:14,316 --> 01:04:15,517 to make it dangerous for me 1466 01:04:15,550 --> 01:04:17,420 to walk through the house every day. 1467 01:04:18,921 --> 01:04:20,022 And I can't do that. 1468 01:04:23,425 --> 01:04:25,995 - All these bags here are new. 1469 01:04:26,028 --> 01:04:28,196 - [Matt] Do you think that it's compulsive? 1470 01:04:29,364 --> 01:04:31,133 - You see, if you don't have control, 1471 01:04:31,166 --> 01:04:32,501 the world will fall apart. 1472 01:04:32,534 --> 01:04:34,904 And I'm sure the war did this to him. 1473 01:04:34,937 --> 01:04:37,272 - [Matt] Do you think Scotty could've used some therapy? 1474 01:04:37,306 --> 01:04:39,241 - No, I don't know that that would've done any good 1475 01:04:39,274 --> 01:04:41,310 because he doesn't believe in it. 1476 01:04:41,343 --> 01:04:42,645 But normally that's, 1477 01:04:42,678 --> 01:04:44,380 should've been with all-- - I'm the one that, 1478 01:04:44,413 --> 01:04:45,547 I'm the one that gives therapy to people. 1479 01:04:45,580 --> 01:04:47,316 I don't need therapy. 1480 01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:48,550 (both laugh) 1481 01:04:48,583 --> 01:04:50,386 - [Matt] A lot of people would say 1482 01:04:50,419 --> 01:04:53,221 what you did all your life was wrong. 1483 01:04:53,255 --> 01:04:54,390 - You're kidding? 1484 01:04:54,423 --> 01:04:57,558 I mean I, I think it was right. 1485 01:04:57,592 --> 01:05:00,029 - [Matt] Probably because you were damaged 1486 01:05:00,062 --> 01:05:01,563 when you were a child. 1487 01:05:01,596 --> 01:05:02,597 - Oh, yeah, bullshit. 1488 01:05:02,631 --> 01:05:06,067 I mean, that, that's damage, but hey. (laughs) 1489 01:05:06,101 --> 01:05:07,403 - [Matt] Someone needed to tell you 1490 01:05:07,436 --> 01:05:09,471 that you were traumatized. 1491 01:05:09,504 --> 01:05:11,440 - I did what I did because I wanted to do it 1492 01:05:11,473 --> 01:05:12,942 and knew what I was doing 1493 01:05:12,975 --> 01:05:14,477 and it wasn't a case of accidentally or anything. 1494 01:05:15,677 --> 01:05:17,579 Anything you do, you best better blame yourself 1495 01:05:17,612 --> 01:05:19,014 and forget that bullshit of coming up 1496 01:05:19,047 --> 01:05:20,449 and blaming someone else. - But you don't. 1497 01:05:20,482 --> 01:05:22,284 - No, I don't blame someone else for anything. 1498 01:05:22,317 --> 01:05:23,552 - [Lois] You don't blame yourself, either. 1499 01:05:23,585 --> 01:05:24,586 - I don't blame myself. 1500 01:05:24,619 --> 01:05:25,387 I've done nothing wrong. 1501 01:05:25,420 --> 01:05:26,455 Why do I blame myself? 1502 01:05:44,106 --> 01:05:45,741 Today, tomorrow, and forever. 1503 01:05:45,774 --> 01:05:47,176 Bette and Scotty. 1504 01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:49,678 - [Matt] You and Bette never married. 1505 01:05:49,711 --> 01:05:51,546 Did she change her name to Bowers? 1506 01:05:51,580 --> 01:05:53,649 - Oh, yeah, she changed it to Bowers. 1507 01:05:56,585 --> 01:06:00,222 When I was in Seattle, before I was discharged, 1508 01:06:00,255 --> 01:06:02,658 I met Bette in town at the Olympic Hotel. 1509 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,997 It naturally brings back memories, you know. 1510 01:06:08,030 --> 01:06:10,366 - [Matt] Good ones or bad ones? 1511 01:06:10,399 --> 01:06:11,667 - Oh no, they were good ones. 1512 01:06:13,335 --> 01:06:16,205 Of course, I'd naturally get pictures of Bette like that. 1513 01:06:16,238 --> 01:06:18,173 (laughs) 1514 01:06:18,206 --> 01:06:21,643 A lot of romances turn cold as you know what I mean. 1515 01:06:21,676 --> 01:06:23,379 But at the time it was great. 1516 01:06:25,414 --> 01:06:26,648 No, Bette was a good Joe. 1517 01:06:26,681 --> 01:06:28,150 Son of a bitch, she was. 1518 01:06:29,818 --> 01:06:33,288 It's just a shame that I was not a one-person person. 1519 01:06:33,321 --> 01:06:35,391 I had too many things to do. 1520 01:06:35,424 --> 01:06:36,459 If anyone was to blame 1521 01:06:36,492 --> 01:06:40,529 for not making it work over the years, it was me, 1522 01:06:40,562 --> 01:06:42,531 because I wasn't a stay-at-home person. 1523 01:06:42,564 --> 01:06:43,632 You know what I mean? 1524 01:06:44,633 --> 01:06:47,236 - [Matt] Did she know you were doing tricks? 1525 01:06:47,269 --> 01:06:49,071 - Even though I didn't sit and discuss it with her, 1526 01:06:49,104 --> 01:06:52,441 she'd have to know because I was so busy doing that. 1527 01:06:53,708 --> 01:06:57,113 You know, I bought the house up on St. Andrews for Bette. 1528 01:06:58,647 --> 01:07:00,649 I'd saved my money from tricking. 1529 01:07:00,682 --> 01:07:02,151 Stash it away, you know. 1530 01:07:04,219 --> 01:07:06,655 You gotta see my nice new roof here, baby. 1531 01:07:06,688 --> 01:07:08,490 In 52 years, it only had two roofs. 1532 01:07:08,523 --> 01:07:10,026 So this will be the third one. 1533 01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:14,430 I put this fucking roof on 52 years ago by myself. 1534 01:07:15,597 --> 01:07:18,500 Bette and I, we just bought the house for $22,000 1535 01:07:18,533 --> 01:07:19,768 and she and my little daughter 1536 01:07:19,801 --> 01:07:21,370 were very excited to come here. 1537 01:07:21,403 --> 01:07:23,705 We only lived a short distance away from here. 1538 01:07:25,173 --> 01:07:27,575 I mean, I was always in the neighborhood here. 1539 01:07:27,609 --> 01:07:28,677 And we-- 1540 01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:30,712 - [Matt] Did you guys go out to dinner to celebrate? 1541 01:07:30,745 --> 01:07:33,482 - Oh no, I went out and turned a couple of tricks. 1542 01:07:33,515 --> 01:07:34,583 I was, you know, I was busy. 1543 01:07:34,616 --> 01:07:36,452 I didn't do that fucking dinner bit. 1544 01:07:36,485 --> 01:07:37,719 When you're busy, you're busy. 1545 01:07:37,752 --> 01:07:39,587 And I was busy every day and every night. 1546 01:07:39,621 --> 01:07:41,690 I didn't have, which I'm sorry to say, 1547 01:07:41,723 --> 01:07:43,225 I didn't have time to do that. 1548 01:07:45,327 --> 01:07:46,595 - [Matt] You're sorry to say? 1549 01:07:46,628 --> 01:07:47,529 You wished you could have? 1550 01:07:47,562 --> 01:07:49,163 - Well, I should have, I guess, 1551 01:07:49,197 --> 01:07:51,700 spent more time with them, which I didn't. 1552 01:07:51,733 --> 01:07:53,502 I don't know, maybe, maybe I did take her 1553 01:07:53,535 --> 01:07:55,636 out to dinner on her birthday once. 1554 01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:57,339 (laughs) Once. 1555 01:07:57,372 --> 01:07:58,640 Maybe I did once. 1556 01:08:06,181 --> 01:08:08,117 It was very nice to have a pretty little baby. 1557 01:08:08,150 --> 01:08:09,885 She was a good girl. 1558 01:08:09,918 --> 01:08:11,720 This was Donna's little room here. 1559 01:08:11,753 --> 01:08:13,789 Donna's clothes are still in the closet. 1560 01:08:13,822 --> 01:08:17,359 And she went to school and never missed a day, 1561 01:08:17,392 --> 01:08:19,627 and went from grammar school to high school 1562 01:08:19,661 --> 01:08:21,596 at Hollywood High, and then to college, 1563 01:08:21,630 --> 01:08:23,365 and finished college, and, 1564 01:08:24,832 --> 01:08:25,835 and then she died. 1565 01:08:28,670 --> 01:08:30,506 Here's a picture of her here, too. 1566 01:08:30,538 --> 01:08:32,541 She had an abortion. 1567 01:08:32,573 --> 01:08:36,411 And within three or four days after having the abortion, 1568 01:08:36,444 --> 01:08:38,347 she went into a coma and never came out. 1569 01:08:38,380 --> 01:08:40,549 She had an abortion by some, 1570 01:08:40,582 --> 01:08:43,319 obviously, quack doctor back in those days, you know. 1571 01:08:44,752 --> 01:08:45,653 And she was 23. 1572 01:08:47,322 --> 01:08:50,159 (slow soft music) 1573 01:08:51,593 --> 01:08:54,796 And her phone is still there with the same number. (laughs) 1574 01:08:55,764 --> 01:08:57,699 I didn't go around saying anything. 1575 01:08:57,732 --> 01:08:59,635 Within an hour after I learned she died, 1576 01:08:59,667 --> 01:09:03,438 I'm on my way to Malibu to a party with a carload of guys. 1577 01:09:03,470 --> 01:09:07,276 I was 100% dependable, reliable, whatever you wanna call it, 1578 01:09:07,309 --> 01:09:09,378 regardless of what it was. 1579 01:09:09,411 --> 01:09:10,645 None of that bullshit: 1580 01:09:10,679 --> 01:09:12,214 It's too cold today, it's raining today, 1581 01:09:12,247 --> 01:09:13,749 or whatever might happen. 1582 01:09:13,782 --> 01:09:17,219 If I told someone I was gonna be there, I'd be there. 1583 01:09:17,252 --> 01:09:19,855 I never said anything to anyone about what had happened. 1584 01:09:21,523 --> 01:09:24,359 - A number of people deal, deal with grief that way. 1585 01:09:24,392 --> 01:09:28,496 They stay on their regular path, keep your regular routine. 1586 01:09:30,899 --> 01:09:35,905 (birds chirping) (slow soft music) 1587 01:09:41,576 --> 01:09:44,846 - I want to get somebody to trim all the trees over there, 1588 01:09:44,879 --> 01:09:47,916 the bushes over here, this thing. 1589 01:09:47,948 --> 01:09:49,317 - I'm gonna cut that. - Uh huh. 1590 01:09:49,350 --> 01:09:50,818 - Soon as my arm is better, 1591 01:09:50,852 --> 01:09:51,953 I'll cut that. - Yeah, sure. 1592 01:09:52,921 --> 01:09:53,589 I'm gonna hire somebody. 1593 01:09:53,622 --> 01:09:54,923 - No you aren't. - Yes I am. 1594 01:09:54,956 --> 01:09:56,358 - No you aren't. - Yes I am. 1595 01:09:56,391 --> 01:09:56,991 - [Scotty] Oh, no. 1596 01:09:57,025 --> 01:09:58,427 Are you kidding? 1597 01:09:58,460 --> 01:10:00,762 I can do it far better than they can do it. 1598 01:10:00,795 --> 01:10:04,300 (soft bluesy piano music) 1599 01:10:07,569 --> 01:10:10,739 - You know, they've asked me why do I stay. 1600 01:10:10,772 --> 01:10:11,873 'Cause I love him. 1601 01:10:11,907 --> 01:10:13,675 And somebody asked me why, and I said, I don't know, 1602 01:10:13,708 --> 01:10:15,678 it's just, you just do. 1603 01:10:17,312 --> 01:10:20,415 And, mainly because of the way he is, 1604 01:10:20,448 --> 01:10:24,519 his sense of humor, his warmth, his caring. 1605 01:10:24,552 --> 01:10:25,719 You know, they don't just go 1606 01:10:25,753 --> 01:10:30,960 to the profession he chose years ago, they go into life. 1607 01:10:31,826 --> 01:10:32,828 He likes to make people happy, 1608 01:10:32,861 --> 01:10:36,298 but I see it as a terrific need. 1609 01:10:37,732 --> 01:10:40,702 It must be a chore to have to want everybody to be happy. 1610 01:10:42,904 --> 01:10:44,373 - [Matt] But you didn't know until the book, 1611 01:10:44,406 --> 01:10:46,875 to what lengths Scotty went to make people happy. 1612 01:10:46,908 --> 01:10:49,911 - (laughs) No, no I didn't. 1613 01:10:49,944 --> 01:10:53,282 (people chattering) 1614 01:10:53,315 --> 01:10:54,282 - [Woman] Oh my god. 1615 01:10:54,316 --> 01:10:58,987 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 1616 01:10:59,921 --> 01:11:04,760 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 1617 01:11:05,660 --> 01:11:10,266 ♪ Happy birthday, dear Scotty ♪ 1618 01:11:12,434 --> 01:11:15,771 ♪ Happy birthday to you ♪ 1619 01:11:18,707 --> 01:11:21,543 (crowd cheering) 1620 01:11:26,548 --> 01:11:28,550 - Clever, the way they'd made that phone, wasn't it? 1621 01:11:28,583 --> 01:11:31,987 (laughs) That was good. 1622 01:11:41,363 --> 01:11:43,031 I even had a card from my sister 1623 01:11:43,064 --> 01:11:44,733 as recently as two days ago. 1624 01:11:45,967 --> 01:11:47,501 From my sister, it says, 1625 01:11:47,535 --> 01:11:49,338 "Happy birthday, brother. 1626 01:11:49,371 --> 01:11:50,973 "Remember how I used to tease you 1627 01:11:52,374 --> 01:11:53,875 "and it really got on your nerves?" 1628 01:11:53,908 --> 01:11:55,077 And you open that fucking card, 1629 01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:57,846 it's upside down and it said, 1630 01:11:57,879 --> 01:11:59,848 "I'm not finished yet, have a good one. 1631 01:11:59,881 --> 01:12:01,917 "Loads of love, Phyllis and Barney." 1632 01:12:05,954 --> 01:12:07,989 (phone ringing) 1633 01:12:08,022 --> 01:12:08,890 - [Phyllis] Hello? 1634 01:12:08,923 --> 01:12:10,425 - Hello? - Yeah, hello? 1635 01:12:10,458 --> 01:12:11,393 - [Scotty] It's me. 1636 01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:12,961 - [Phyllis] Okay. 1637 01:12:12,994 --> 01:12:14,396 - How are you? 1638 01:12:14,429 --> 01:12:15,664 - [Phyllis] I'm, I'm good, George. 1639 01:12:15,697 --> 01:12:16,498 How are you? 1640 01:12:16,531 --> 01:12:17,433 - What happened to you? 1641 01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:19,801 - [Phyllis] Well, I just fell down 1642 01:12:19,834 --> 01:12:22,871 and they picked me up and I'm over here 1643 01:12:22,904 --> 01:12:24,573 in the nursing home right now. 1644 01:12:24,606 --> 01:12:26,007 - But you're going home, though? 1645 01:12:26,040 --> 01:12:27,843 - [Phyllis] Well, not for a week. 1646 01:12:27,876 --> 01:12:29,911 - [Scotty] Is there anything you need at all? 1647 01:12:29,944 --> 01:12:30,845 - [Phyllis] No, not really. 1648 01:12:30,879 --> 01:12:32,914 Just to hear from you sounded wonderful. 1649 01:12:32,947 --> 01:12:35,050 - I'll call you back again tomorrow. 1650 01:12:35,984 --> 01:12:37,119 (phone dialing) 1651 01:12:37,152 --> 01:12:38,453 Dale. 1652 01:12:38,486 --> 01:12:39,087 - [Dale] Yeah? 1653 01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:40,455 - Scotty. 1654 01:12:40,488 --> 01:12:41,390 Well, you, you mentioned that book, 1655 01:12:41,423 --> 01:12:42,624 that book, I had forgotten 1656 01:12:42,657 --> 01:12:44,760 about that book you've talked to me about. 1657 01:12:44,793 --> 01:12:45,728 - [Dale] Uh-huh. 1658 01:12:45,761 --> 01:12:46,829 Yeah, Full Service? - Full Service, yeah. 1659 01:12:46,862 --> 01:12:48,597 - [Dale] Yeah, it was, that was a pretty good book. 1660 01:12:48,630 --> 01:12:49,798 - Well, hey. 1661 01:12:49,831 --> 01:12:51,666 Well, don't give it to your mom 'cause it'll upset her. 1662 01:12:51,699 --> 01:12:52,867 You know what I mean? 1663 01:12:52,901 --> 01:12:55,003 - [Dale] Oh, no, well, I, I already did. 1664 01:12:57,772 --> 01:12:58,974 - She's upset over what? 1665 01:13:09,951 --> 01:13:12,120 - That's why I said, don't show it to her. 1666 01:13:12,153 --> 01:13:12,921 - [Dale] Yeah. 1667 01:13:12,954 --> 01:13:14,589 Yeah, I won't show it to her again. 1668 01:13:14,622 --> 01:13:15,757 - [Scotty] Now don't forget that, okay? 1669 01:13:15,790 --> 01:13:16,758 - [Dale] No, I won't. 1670 01:13:16,791 --> 01:13:17,893 - [Scotty] Okay, baby. 1671 01:13:18,726 --> 01:13:21,730 (people chattering) 1672 01:13:24,632 --> 01:13:25,534 - Was there ever any discussion 1673 01:13:25,567 --> 01:13:27,903 about the need for subterfuge 1674 01:13:27,936 --> 01:13:30,505 and to leave the life in the closet? 1675 01:13:30,538 --> 01:13:33,174 Or was it just something that everyone knew? 1676 01:13:33,208 --> 01:13:34,910 - It's just the way it was then. 1677 01:13:34,943 --> 01:13:37,446 They had to play it very cool, you know? 1678 01:13:38,580 --> 01:13:41,049 - What, what can you say about, if anything, 1679 01:13:41,082 --> 01:13:42,717 about Katherine Hepburn? 1680 01:13:42,750 --> 01:13:45,020 - [Scotty] Katherine Hepburn would've liked you. 1681 01:13:45,053 --> 01:13:47,622 (group laughs) 1682 01:13:47,655 --> 01:13:49,691 And Katherine Hepburn was not really nice 1683 01:13:49,724 --> 01:13:51,560 to Spencer Tracy, you know? 1684 01:13:51,593 --> 01:13:52,494 - Because? 1685 01:13:52,527 --> 01:13:54,129 You have any idea why that was? 1686 01:13:54,162 --> 01:13:55,997 Because he was married, or what? 1687 01:13:56,030 --> 01:13:57,699 - [Scotty] No. 1688 01:13:57,732 --> 01:13:59,000 They were merely friends, 1689 01:13:59,033 --> 01:14:02,037 and they were in business together, show business. 1690 01:14:02,070 --> 01:14:05,607 And they were not in the bed department together at all. 1691 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:06,842 - Never? - Never. 1692 01:14:08,977 --> 01:14:12,581 (soft theatrical music) 1693 01:14:14,282 --> 01:14:17,119 All these movie magazines sold a story. 1694 01:14:18,052 --> 01:14:19,821 And that's why so many square people say, 1695 01:14:19,854 --> 01:14:21,089 "Oh, I thought they were lovers," you know. 1696 01:14:21,122 --> 01:14:24,626 And I said, "Well, they, they weren't, but it sounds good." 1697 01:14:26,060 --> 01:14:28,063 - The story of Hepburn and Tracy 1698 01:14:28,096 --> 01:14:29,830 is one of the best examples 1699 01:14:29,864 --> 01:14:32,034 of Hollywood crafting a public image. 1700 01:14:33,835 --> 01:14:35,537 George Cukor directed some of the, 1701 01:14:35,570 --> 01:14:37,906 the greatest Hepburn/Tracy films. 1702 01:14:39,073 --> 01:14:42,711 Spencer Tracy lived on the grounds at George Cukor's house, 1703 01:14:42,744 --> 01:14:44,279 but he was still married to his wife, 1704 01:14:44,312 --> 01:14:46,147 who, who he loved very much, 1705 01:14:46,180 --> 01:14:47,782 and there's always been the presumption 1706 01:14:47,815 --> 01:14:49,150 that he and Hepburn lived together 1707 01:14:49,183 --> 01:14:50,986 in that little, little cottage. 1708 01:14:51,019 --> 01:14:52,721 In fact, they did not live together. 1709 01:14:52,754 --> 01:14:56,558 There was another cottage that, where Hepburn lived. 1710 01:14:56,591 --> 01:14:58,760 Hepburn in later years tried to make it seem 1711 01:14:58,793 --> 01:15:01,029 as if they were living in a cottage together 1712 01:15:01,062 --> 01:15:03,965 sharing a household like man and wife. 1713 01:15:03,998 --> 01:15:06,800 - Remember that night when, oh, I don't know, 1714 01:15:06,834 --> 01:15:09,004 you felt so disturbed and I said, 1715 01:15:09,037 --> 01:15:10,238 "Well, go on in. 1716 01:15:10,271 --> 01:15:12,641 "Go to bed, I'll talk you to sleep. 1717 01:15:12,674 --> 01:15:14,643 "I'll just talk and talk and 1718 01:15:14,676 --> 01:15:17,279 "you'll be so bored, you're bound to drift off." 1719 01:15:17,312 --> 01:15:18,680 - It was not that way. 1720 01:15:18,713 --> 01:15:19,915 They were not living together. 1721 01:15:19,948 --> 01:15:21,149 They never lived together. 1722 01:15:22,150 --> 01:15:23,852 (slow soft theatrical music) 1723 01:15:23,885 --> 01:15:27,889 - She was a designer of her own legend. 1724 01:15:27,922 --> 01:15:32,093 And she had several fervent relationships 1725 01:15:32,126 --> 01:15:35,096 with talented other women. 1726 01:15:35,129 --> 01:15:39,268 She was very guarded about what she did. 1727 01:15:41,169 --> 01:15:44,139 - [Scotty] George kind of told Katherine Hepburn 1728 01:15:44,172 --> 01:15:48,175 early in the game what I did, you know, in a way. 1729 01:15:48,209 --> 01:15:50,045 Then, I could see running it through her head, 1730 01:15:50,078 --> 01:15:51,646 well if he fixes up guys, 1731 01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:52,948 he should be able to fix up girls too. 1732 01:15:52,981 --> 01:15:54,215 With a girl, you know what I mean? 1733 01:15:54,248 --> 01:15:56,617 I could see that. (laughs) 1734 01:15:56,651 --> 01:15:59,120 I fixed her up with every bit of 150 girls. 1735 01:15:59,153 --> 01:16:01,256 And people says, "How would she see that many?" 1736 01:16:01,289 --> 01:16:03,124 I said, this was over a period of 39 years, 1737 01:16:03,157 --> 01:16:04,893 that's almost 50 years. 1738 01:16:04,926 --> 01:16:06,695 I mean, that's not unusual at all. 1739 01:16:07,895 --> 01:16:08,997 - [William] The traditional image 1740 01:16:09,030 --> 01:16:11,166 is that Tracy bullied Hepburn. 1741 01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:13,067 This was not true. 1742 01:16:13,101 --> 01:16:14,134 - Ow! 1743 01:16:14,168 --> 01:16:15,170 What are you doing? 1744 01:16:15,203 --> 01:16:16,771 - Testing. 1745 01:16:16,804 --> 01:16:18,106 - She wouldn't have tolerated that kind of behavior 1746 01:16:18,139 --> 01:16:19,040 from anyone. 1747 01:16:19,074 --> 01:16:21,175 I began to understand that if, in fact, 1748 01:16:21,209 --> 01:16:23,945 there were conflicts between Hepburn and Tracy, 1749 01:16:23,978 --> 01:16:25,146 they went both ways. 1750 01:16:25,179 --> 01:16:27,115 And she was not happy about his drinking 1751 01:16:27,148 --> 01:16:29,084 or his friendship with Scotty. 1752 01:16:29,117 --> 01:16:32,253 Scotty would come down to Cukor's house, 1753 01:16:32,286 --> 01:16:34,156 specifically to see Spencer Tracy. 1754 01:16:35,790 --> 01:16:37,792 - I'd get a ride there at five o'clock in the evening. 1755 01:16:37,825 --> 01:16:39,260 At two o'clock in the morning, 1756 01:16:39,293 --> 01:16:41,795 I'm still sitting at the kitchen table listening to him talk 1757 01:16:41,829 --> 01:16:42,831 and going (mumbles), 1758 01:16:44,232 --> 01:16:46,167 and I'd better go to bed now 1759 01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:47,869 and he'd get up and almost fall, 1760 01:16:47,902 --> 01:16:49,938 and he'd put his arm around me and we would go to bed. 1761 01:16:51,305 --> 01:16:53,208 But then the next morning, he would always say, 1762 01:16:53,241 --> 01:16:55,076 "Geez, I must've gotten drunk last night. 1763 01:16:55,109 --> 01:16:57,012 "You were so nice to stay." 1764 01:16:57,045 --> 01:16:59,848 Just like nothing ever happened, it was always the same. 1765 01:17:01,315 --> 01:17:02,983 He really didn't want to be gay, 1766 01:17:03,017 --> 01:17:06,187 or admit to himself he might possibly be. 1767 01:17:06,220 --> 01:17:08,323 And so the best way is not to admit it, right? 1768 01:17:09,691 --> 01:17:12,193 - Uh, (laughs) I can't handle this in my head, 1769 01:17:12,226 --> 01:17:13,629 it, it rocks me. 1770 01:17:15,129 --> 01:17:20,035 - The ironic thing is that it was somehow more acceptable 1771 01:17:20,068 --> 01:17:25,073 to the general public to be in an adulterous relationship 1772 01:17:25,907 --> 01:17:27,242 than it was to be gay or lesbian. 1773 01:17:28,976 --> 01:17:33,281 - But the whole thing about being gay in Hollywood, 1774 01:17:33,314 --> 01:17:37,285 if you played along, you were okay. 1775 01:17:37,318 --> 01:17:40,155 The studio executives did not really care 1776 01:17:40,188 --> 01:17:41,923 if someone was gay or not. 1777 01:17:41,956 --> 01:17:44,393 They only cared about your public persona. 1778 01:17:45,426 --> 01:17:48,029 You know, in Hollywood, everyone knew 1779 01:17:48,062 --> 01:17:49,364 that Rock Hudson was gay. 1780 01:17:49,397 --> 01:17:51,232 - [Announcer] Rock Hudson, selected 1781 01:17:51,265 --> 01:17:53,234 as the Most Popular Film Actor of the Year. 1782 01:17:53,267 --> 01:17:55,202 This is the second year in a row 1783 01:17:55,236 --> 01:17:56,371 that Mr. Hudson has been picked 1784 01:17:56,404 --> 01:17:59,307 by Modern Screen as Most Popular Actor. 1785 01:17:59,340 --> 01:18:03,178 - But, his sexuality became really a problem 1786 01:18:03,211 --> 01:18:07,215 when Life Magazine had done a cover story on him. 1787 01:18:07,248 --> 01:18:10,351 It said that he was approaching 30 years old 1788 01:18:10,384 --> 01:18:12,921 and it was about time for him to get married, 1789 01:18:12,954 --> 01:18:14,188 and if he didn't get married, 1790 01:18:14,222 --> 01:18:17,291 he needed to tell his fans why. 1791 01:18:17,325 --> 01:18:18,960 And like, a month or two later, 1792 01:18:18,993 --> 01:18:22,197 he married his agent's secretary, Phyllis Gates. 1793 01:18:23,431 --> 01:18:24,833 - [Scotty] And of course, Rock was gay, 1794 01:18:24,866 --> 01:18:27,268 Phyllis was gay, and nothing happened. 1795 01:18:27,301 --> 01:18:30,972 - It became kind of an open joke in Hollywood. 1796 01:18:31,005 --> 01:18:34,342 Everyone kind of knew that this was an arranged marriage, 1797 01:18:34,375 --> 01:18:37,212 but it was very important to sell that myth. 1798 01:18:37,245 --> 01:18:39,481 It was about reflecting back 1799 01:18:39,514 --> 01:18:42,283 a very traditional middle-class, 1800 01:18:42,316 --> 01:18:44,318 middle America viewpoint. 1801 01:18:45,486 --> 01:18:48,223 The truth of that was, was something very, very different. 1802 01:18:51,993 --> 01:18:54,830 (traffic humming) 1803 01:18:57,932 --> 01:18:59,233 - Oh, that and that's the book? 1804 01:18:59,267 --> 01:19:00,068 Jesus. 1805 01:19:00,101 --> 01:19:02,269 Introduction by Scotty Bowers with, 1806 01:19:02,303 --> 01:19:06,007 with text by Gore Vidal, with James Jones. (laughs) 1807 01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,242 Isn't that... 1808 01:19:07,275 --> 01:19:08,777 Everything Dian does is you know, 1809 01:19:08,810 --> 01:19:11,546 she should've designed weapons during World War II. 1810 01:19:11,579 --> 01:19:13,315 - (laughs) Yeah, right. 1811 01:19:14,015 --> 01:19:16,050 - I was wondering if you could just start by talking to us 1812 01:19:16,083 --> 01:19:18,253 about the buddy system, sort of how it worked 1813 01:19:18,286 --> 01:19:20,121 and why it was created. 1814 01:19:20,154 --> 01:19:21,356 - When you're in the Marine Corps, 1815 01:19:21,389 --> 01:19:23,024 the closest thing to you is your buddy, 1816 01:19:24,158 --> 01:19:25,426 you might say your foxhole buddy, 1817 01:19:25,459 --> 01:19:28,396 who watches out for you and you watch out for him. 1818 01:19:28,429 --> 01:19:29,397 - Scotty really had it tough. 1819 01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:34,135 I mean, he was in three, just horrific battles 1820 01:19:34,168 --> 01:19:36,103 without much down time, right? 1821 01:19:36,137 --> 01:19:38,072 I mean, you were fighting four months straight 1822 01:19:38,105 --> 01:19:39,174 on Guadalcanal. 1823 01:19:39,207 --> 01:19:41,409 - And Bougainville, two months. 1824 01:19:41,442 --> 01:19:43,878 - He developed the buddy system in World War II, 1825 01:19:43,911 --> 01:19:45,547 because they found that the men 1826 01:19:45,580 --> 01:19:48,516 were able to hold up in battle with a buddy. 1827 01:19:48,549 --> 01:19:52,153 - Young guys who just left home for the first time 1828 01:19:52,186 --> 01:19:54,589 to go in the service, the closest thing to you 1829 01:19:54,622 --> 01:19:56,424 is your buddy, you know what I mean? 1830 01:19:56,457 --> 01:19:59,327 Your so-called foxhole buddy is the 1831 01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:00,361 closest thing you have. 1832 01:20:00,394 --> 01:20:02,097 It's the best friend you have. 1833 01:20:11,973 --> 01:20:13,408 Service record World War II 1834 01:20:13,441 --> 01:20:16,411 was put out by Grand Ridge Community. 1835 01:20:16,444 --> 01:20:18,880 So it was a little town in the area I was born. 1836 01:20:22,650 --> 01:20:24,518 That's my brother right there. 1837 01:20:27,255 --> 01:20:28,323 Camp Elliott. 1838 01:20:28,356 --> 01:20:31,425 Finished training in Hawaii, 1839 01:20:31,459 --> 01:20:33,428 participated in the Battle of Iwo Jima, 1840 01:20:33,461 --> 01:20:37,566 lost his life March 4, 1945. 1841 01:20:40,635 --> 01:20:43,404 My brother was two years older than me. 1842 01:20:43,437 --> 01:20:45,473 He went in the Marine Corps two years after I did 1843 01:20:45,506 --> 01:20:47,542 because he was working. 1844 01:20:48,676 --> 01:20:51,980 He went into Iwo Jima, and on Iwo Jima, 1845 01:20:52,013 --> 01:20:55,516 we had 7,000 guys killed in 28 days 1846 01:20:55,549 --> 01:20:58,419 and about 20,000 wounded. 1847 01:20:58,452 --> 01:21:01,423 (slow somber music) 1848 01:21:05,359 --> 01:21:06,394 Every time I see some, 1849 01:21:08,663 --> 01:21:11,599 it reminds me of my brother. (weeps) 1850 01:21:14,035 --> 01:21:15,269 Every time I see someone, 1851 01:21:15,303 --> 01:21:17,172 it reminds me of my brother, I liked... 1852 01:21:22,510 --> 01:21:25,513 (slow somber music) 1853 01:21:27,381 --> 01:21:30,418 (stammers) It runs through your mind quite often, 1854 01:21:30,451 --> 01:21:31,552 you know what I mean? 1855 01:21:31,585 --> 01:21:33,288 You, you don't forget things. 1856 01:21:33,321 --> 01:21:35,257 Some people forget things, but I don't. 1857 01:21:38,626 --> 01:21:40,228 It comes back. 1858 01:21:40,261 --> 01:21:42,998 I have, I still have dreams about it at night. 1859 01:21:47,034 --> 01:21:49,536 Oh, yeah, you try to put it out of your mind, 1860 01:21:49,570 --> 01:21:50,472 but it's still there. 1861 01:21:52,173 --> 01:21:55,143 (slow somber music) 1862 01:22:01,148 --> 01:22:03,285 It made me fucking happy to be alive. 1863 01:22:15,529 --> 01:22:18,199 December, well, Beach died December the 7th. 1864 01:22:18,232 --> 01:22:20,101 They sent the ashes to Pat. 1865 01:22:20,134 --> 01:22:22,704 He got them, put them in the trunk of his car saying, 1866 01:22:22,737 --> 01:22:24,973 "We're gonna go up to Beach's and spread the ashes." 1867 01:22:25,006 --> 01:22:28,109 And that was six years ago. (laughs) 1868 01:22:28,142 --> 01:22:29,477 During the war, Pat was in the Navy, 1869 01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:31,346 Beach was in the Army, and I was in the Marine Corps. 1870 01:22:31,379 --> 01:22:33,048 We represented all three outfits. 1871 01:22:55,770 --> 01:22:58,673 (crow bar clamors) 1872 01:23:22,129 --> 01:23:23,664 Seven years later, 1873 01:23:23,697 --> 01:23:25,266 and Beach wanted them dumped over the patio, 1874 01:23:25,299 --> 01:23:27,235 so I'm gonna dump them over the patio here. 1875 01:23:27,268 --> 01:23:28,403 The wind is blowing a little bit, 1876 01:23:28,436 --> 01:23:30,605 so I think I'll dump them here. 1877 01:23:30,638 --> 01:23:32,640 I think I'll just dump them right down here. 1878 01:23:37,745 --> 01:23:40,749 (slow somber music) 1879 01:23:44,752 --> 01:23:49,424 If I dump them here, they'll last longer there. 1880 01:23:49,457 --> 01:23:51,259 You know, you know what this reminds me very much of? 1881 01:23:51,292 --> 01:23:54,595 Throwing guys overboard, a fucking dead guy's aboard ship, 1882 01:23:54,628 --> 01:23:55,429 you throw them overboard, 1883 01:23:55,462 --> 01:23:57,131 just like you do the fucking garbage. 1884 01:23:57,164 --> 01:23:58,599 Now people think they had burials. 1885 01:23:58,632 --> 01:23:59,433 Bull shit. 1886 01:23:59,467 --> 01:24:00,434 You just, 1887 01:24:00,468 --> 01:24:02,470 you grab one, then another, and then another, 1888 01:24:02,503 --> 01:24:05,072 and another, you just keep pitching them overboard. 1889 01:24:05,106 --> 01:24:07,642 And that's what they did in World War II. 1890 01:24:07,675 --> 01:24:10,645 (somber opera music) 1891 01:24:26,127 --> 01:24:28,563 My baby Beach's ashes are over the side of the hill 1892 01:24:28,596 --> 01:24:29,664 where he wanted them. 1893 01:24:30,598 --> 01:24:33,701 (somber opera music) 1894 01:24:35,636 --> 01:24:38,239 Yeah, without a doubt, Beach was a good person. 1895 01:24:39,406 --> 01:24:41,676 A good person, and always very nice to me. 1896 01:24:42,710 --> 01:24:45,680 (somber opera music) 1897 01:24:48,883 --> 01:24:50,652 The bad things that happened were: 1898 01:24:52,686 --> 01:24:54,422 my brother, my daughter, 1899 01:24:55,256 --> 01:24:56,724 Bette, 1900 01:24:56,757 --> 01:24:59,293 and the most recent one was my little doggie dying 1901 01:24:59,326 --> 01:25:00,462 that I loved so much. 1902 01:25:01,595 --> 01:25:02,763 And you're gonna say that's foolish. 1903 01:25:02,796 --> 01:25:04,599 It's not foolish. 1904 01:25:04,632 --> 01:25:07,168 Can you understand how I could love a little doggie or not? 1905 01:25:07,201 --> 01:25:07,802 - [Matt] I can. 1906 01:25:09,069 --> 01:25:12,206 - [Scotty] Some people don't, that's why I don't tell them. 1907 01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:14,407 - [Matt] You've had some pretty terrible things happen 1908 01:25:14,441 --> 01:25:15,342 in your life. 1909 01:25:15,376 --> 01:25:16,777 Do you think that you've had to keep busy 1910 01:25:16,810 --> 01:25:18,713 to not think about] your brother and the others? 1911 01:25:18,746 --> 01:25:19,747 - [Scotty] Yes, yes, I do. 1912 01:25:19,780 --> 01:25:21,682 I created happy things, 1913 01:25:21,715 --> 01:25:25,386 and making people happy to kind of compensate 1914 01:25:25,419 --> 01:25:27,288 for the unhappy things. 1915 01:25:27,321 --> 01:25:28,790 Do you think that's possible? 1916 01:25:30,524 --> 01:25:31,625 - [Matt] That many good years, 1917 01:25:33,460 --> 01:25:35,930 the late '40s and the '50s were such a glorious time-- 1918 01:25:35,963 --> 01:25:37,331 - [Scotty] It was a glorious time 1919 01:25:37,364 --> 01:25:38,799 because nothing bad happened 1920 01:25:38,832 --> 01:25:41,602 to anyone, you could do as many people as you want 1921 01:25:41,635 --> 01:25:43,504 and fuck around as much as you want. 1922 01:25:43,537 --> 01:25:45,907 Things really didn't change along those lines 1923 01:25:45,940 --> 01:25:47,474 until AIDS came along. 1924 01:25:48,475 --> 01:25:50,411 (slow somber music) 1925 01:25:50,444 --> 01:25:52,213 When I think of all the people that I knew, 1926 01:25:52,246 --> 01:25:54,415 who not only had AIDS, but died of AIDS, 1927 01:25:54,448 --> 01:25:57,351 I mean, a lot of them, not some, but a lot. 1928 01:25:57,384 --> 01:25:58,286 And I mean, a lot. 1929 01:26:01,789 --> 01:26:03,258 Look at, look at Rock Hudson. 1930 01:26:04,491 --> 01:26:06,928 That AIDS was a very sad thing. 1931 01:26:06,961 --> 01:26:08,696 Is a very sad thing. 1932 01:26:09,697 --> 01:26:11,499 (slow soft piano music) 1933 01:26:11,532 --> 01:26:12,867 Rock was a good friend of mine. 1934 01:26:12,900 --> 01:26:14,768 He changed so much in appearance, 1935 01:26:14,802 --> 01:26:16,971 you hardly knew him in a matter of 1936 01:26:17,004 --> 01:26:18,306 two or three months. 1937 01:26:19,607 --> 01:26:20,775 I remember when he went off to Paris 1938 01:26:20,808 --> 01:26:23,711 thinking they're gonna cure him in France or something. 1939 01:26:25,613 --> 01:26:27,982 - Hollywood was shocked by the Rock Hudson story 1940 01:26:28,015 --> 01:26:31,786 because there was not really an acknowledgement 1941 01:26:31,819 --> 01:26:36,524 of the gay scene and the secrecy surrounding his condition. 1942 01:26:36,557 --> 01:26:38,559 That hit the town like a tidal wave. 1943 01:26:39,893 --> 01:26:41,462 - This ended the Hollywood myth right there. 1944 01:26:41,495 --> 01:26:44,332 That, that exposed it as the lie that it was. 1945 01:26:44,365 --> 01:26:46,867 And Hollywood was never the same again after that. 1946 01:26:47,835 --> 01:26:48,669 Things changed for Scotty. 1947 01:26:48,703 --> 01:26:51,839 Scotty was devastated by Rock's death. 1948 01:26:53,307 --> 01:26:56,744 He was aware that this was a disease that was spreading. 1949 01:26:58,012 --> 01:27:01,816 AIDS brought a whole new layer of danger 1950 01:27:01,849 --> 01:27:04,752 and risk to being gay in Hollywood. 1951 01:27:07,288 --> 01:27:09,490 - When AIDS came along, I thought I'm gonna pass 1952 01:27:09,523 --> 01:27:12,293 on fixing people up because I don't want to 1953 01:27:13,294 --> 01:27:14,829 be involved in that. 1954 01:27:16,030 --> 01:27:18,666 It's a case of, you just hope you don't catch it. 1955 01:27:18,699 --> 01:27:19,467 - [Matt] Luck. 1956 01:27:19,500 --> 01:27:20,301 - [Scotty] Luck. 1957 01:27:20,334 --> 01:27:21,434 That's right. 1958 01:27:21,468 --> 01:27:22,568 That's exactly what it'd be. 1959 01:27:22,603 --> 01:27:24,906 It'd have to be just luck, just one of those things. 1960 01:27:26,507 --> 01:27:27,342 - Honey? 1961 01:27:29,710 --> 01:27:30,812 He shouldn't be up there. 1962 01:27:37,885 --> 01:27:40,588 (dog barking) 1963 01:27:44,091 --> 01:27:45,760 What are you doing? 1964 01:27:45,793 --> 01:27:47,695 - [Scotty] I'm gonna get over to the ladder and get down. 1965 01:27:47,728 --> 01:27:48,929 - [Lois] Oh, good. 1966 01:27:48,962 --> 01:27:51,365 - Jesus, when I think of how I used to be able 1967 01:27:51,398 --> 01:27:53,868 to maneuver around, now I'm a fucking cripple. 1968 01:27:53,901 --> 01:27:54,936 My goddamn arm. 1969 01:27:56,103 --> 01:27:57,872 - [Lois] You shouldn't be doing this. 1970 01:27:57,905 --> 01:27:58,773 - [Scotty] Wait a minute. 1971 01:27:58,806 --> 01:28:01,075 (babbles) 1972 01:28:01,108 --> 01:28:03,778 Fuck, what's the matter with my goddamn legs now? 1973 01:28:05,412 --> 01:28:06,847 Is it on the thing? 1974 01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,382 - [Lois] Yeah. 1975 01:28:08,415 --> 01:28:09,617 (Scotty sighs) 1976 01:28:09,650 --> 01:28:11,885 (ladder rattling) 1977 01:28:11,919 --> 01:28:14,922 (slow somber music) 1978 01:28:21,628 --> 01:28:24,031 - Apparently, I had a little bit of a kidney problem 1979 01:28:24,064 --> 01:28:25,833 from taking Atabrine. 1980 01:28:25,866 --> 01:28:28,636 Atabrine is for the prevention of malaria. 1981 01:28:29,570 --> 01:28:30,804 They found out later that 1982 01:28:32,606 --> 01:28:33,875 everybody that took that, 1983 01:28:35,409 --> 01:28:38,579 it did damage to their kidneys. 1984 01:28:38,612 --> 01:28:40,081 - [Matt] You took it during the war? 1985 01:28:40,114 --> 01:28:41,781 - Took it for three years, yeah. 1986 01:28:41,815 --> 01:28:43,817 And I should never have taken that shit. 1987 01:28:45,152 --> 01:28:47,121 Reserved only for who? 1988 01:28:47,154 --> 01:28:48,789 - [Matt] Volunteer parking. 1989 01:28:48,822 --> 01:28:49,890 - I'm a fucking volunteer. 1990 01:28:49,923 --> 01:28:51,125 Fuck it. (laughs) 1991 01:28:51,158 --> 01:28:53,561 - They do ultrasound every so often 1992 01:28:53,594 --> 01:28:55,463 to check how the kidneys are. 1993 01:28:55,496 --> 01:28:59,567 And obviously, they're slowly going, 1994 01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,671 'cause when it first started it was only 25% loss. 1995 01:29:03,704 --> 01:29:05,072 You know, then they said, maybe someday 1996 01:29:05,105 --> 01:29:07,942 we'll have to consider dialysis. 1997 01:29:07,975 --> 01:29:08,976 And the last time he went 1998 01:29:09,009 --> 01:29:10,545 they said we have to do it. 1999 01:29:12,179 --> 01:29:13,481 They wanna put the, 2000 01:29:15,015 --> 01:29:18,653 like a stent in his arm and, soon. 2001 01:29:21,755 --> 01:29:24,892 I think he thinks he can buy a kidney someplace. 2002 01:29:27,828 --> 01:29:29,997 - [Scotty] Lee, how are you, baby? 2003 01:29:30,030 --> 01:29:31,165 Huh? 2004 01:29:31,198 --> 01:29:32,500 You sweetheart. 2005 01:29:32,533 --> 01:29:35,370 (slow soft music) 2006 01:29:37,204 --> 01:29:38,840 - [Lee] Morning. 2007 01:29:44,111 --> 01:29:45,446 - You know, Lee and I said, 2008 01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:46,981 to show you what a buddy is, 2009 01:29:47,014 --> 01:29:49,049 Lee called me and said he wants to give me a kidney. 2010 01:29:49,082 --> 01:29:50,484 (laughs) 2011 01:29:50,517 --> 01:29:51,519 Now is that a buddy? 2012 01:29:52,886 --> 01:29:54,055 I said you're a real buddy. 2013 01:29:55,556 --> 01:29:56,790 You're a real buddy, Lee. 2014 01:29:59,660 --> 01:30:02,930 (garage door rattling) 2015 01:30:04,498 --> 01:30:07,835 (slow soft piano music) 2016 01:30:11,605 --> 01:30:12,906 I often think back of 2017 01:30:14,241 --> 01:30:15,910 how nice things were. 2018 01:30:15,943 --> 01:30:19,680 I can't think back of any bad scenes or bad things at all. 2019 01:30:22,783 --> 01:30:25,853 And, and so many people have said the nicest 2020 01:30:25,886 --> 01:30:28,656 and best time of their whole life was that gas station. 2021 01:30:30,958 --> 01:30:35,196 And that's why I felt good that I made so many people happy. 2022 01:30:35,229 --> 01:30:37,598 (laughs) 2023 01:30:39,066 --> 01:30:39,967 - [Female Reporter] Team coverage, 2024 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:41,702 Jay Yamamoto is looking ahead 2025 01:30:41,735 --> 01:30:42,835 for what is next for gay couples. 2026 01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:44,939 - [Male Reporter] The decision from the Supreme Court 2027 01:30:44,972 --> 01:30:48,075 now paves the way to historic change here in California. 2028 01:30:48,108 --> 01:30:50,678 - The Justices dismissed Proposition 8 2029 01:30:50,711 --> 01:30:54,081 and the news sent shockwaves throughout Southern California. 2030 01:30:54,114 --> 01:30:57,218 (slow soft piano music) 2031 01:31:02,289 --> 01:31:05,226 (people chattering) 2032 01:31:09,530 --> 01:31:12,666 - I would say the timing is just about right, now. 2033 01:31:14,101 --> 01:31:16,070 And when I tell people the gas station days were different, 2034 01:31:16,103 --> 01:31:18,005 I mean they were completely different. 2035 01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:21,275 50 or 60 years ago, this could have never happened, 2036 01:31:21,308 --> 01:31:22,810 you know that, impossible. 2037 01:31:26,079 --> 01:31:29,717 - History evolves in incremental steps, 2038 01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:34,755 and Scotty really was lighting a way forward 2039 01:31:35,622 --> 01:31:36,991 that we are now embracing 2040 01:31:37,024 --> 01:31:39,760 where the motto is: Do your own thing. 2041 01:31:39,793 --> 01:31:42,797 He was doing that when it was not culturally accepted. 2042 01:31:43,764 --> 01:31:44,932 - You want to wear those clothes? 2043 01:31:44,965 --> 01:31:46,166 - No, I don't wanna wear this thing, 2044 01:31:46,199 --> 01:31:48,134 I just want to get married! 2045 01:31:48,168 --> 01:31:49,236 (dog barks) 2046 01:31:49,269 --> 01:31:51,805 - We were given a myth, 2047 01:31:51,838 --> 01:31:55,009 and it's important to show the public 2048 01:31:55,042 --> 01:31:57,778 that their heroes can be flawed, 2049 01:31:57,811 --> 01:31:59,179 or their heroes can be complicated, 2050 01:31:59,212 --> 01:32:00,781 or their heroes can be gay. 2051 01:32:02,149 --> 01:32:05,286 You know, Scotty holds a mirror up to the culture 2052 01:32:05,319 --> 01:32:09,223 to help people see the kind of puritanical nature of, 2053 01:32:09,256 --> 01:32:12,760 not only the culture during the 40s, 50s, 60s and 70s, 2054 01:32:12,793 --> 01:32:13,928 but even to this day. 2055 01:32:15,929 --> 01:32:18,098 - I think a mistake would be to look at the story 2056 01:32:18,131 --> 01:32:20,100 of Scotty's being a story of a, you know, 2057 01:32:20,133 --> 01:32:23,771 gay renegade in a gay world, in a gay subculture. 2058 01:32:23,804 --> 01:32:26,774 Because, Scotty was pre-gay. 2059 01:32:26,807 --> 01:32:30,177 He, he himself doesn't conform to any particular label. 2060 01:32:31,144 --> 01:32:33,347 Scotty just breezes across all the fences 2061 01:32:33,380 --> 01:32:35,983 that we erect to separate ourselves from others. 2062 01:32:39,119 --> 01:32:43,057 ♪ Nights are long ♪ 2063 01:32:43,090 --> 01:32:47,995 ♪ Since you went away ♪ 2064 01:32:48,028 --> 01:32:52,066 ♪ I think of you ♪ 2065 01:32:52,099 --> 01:32:56,337 ♪ All through the day ♪ 2066 01:32:56,370 --> 01:32:59,907 ♪ My buddy ♪ 2067 01:32:59,940 --> 01:33:03,643 ♪ My buddy ♪ 2068 01:33:03,677 --> 01:33:08,583 ♪ Nobody quite so true ♪ 2069 01:33:13,220 --> 01:33:18,058 ♪ Miss your voice ♪ 2070 01:33:18,091 --> 01:33:22,363 ♪ The touch of your hand ♪ 2071 01:33:22,396 --> 01:33:26,733 ♪ I hope to know ♪ 2072 01:33:26,767 --> 01:33:31,405 ♪ That you understand ♪ 2073 01:33:31,438 --> 01:33:35,009 ♪ My buddy ♪ 2074 01:33:35,042 --> 01:33:39,013 ♪ My buddy ♪ 2075 01:33:39,046 --> 01:33:44,051 ♪ Your buddy misses ♪ 2076 01:33:45,819 --> 01:33:47,655 ♪ You ♪ 2077 01:33:53,694 --> 01:33:57,698 (audience clapping & cheering) 2078 01:34:04,204 --> 01:34:07,174 ("The Hut-Sut Song") 2079 01:34:13,246 --> 01:34:17,351 ♪ In a town in Sweden by a stream so clear and cool ♪ 2080 01:34:17,384 --> 01:34:19,720 ♪ Some boys would sit and fish and dream ♪ 2081 01:34:19,753 --> 01:34:22,188 ♪ When they should've been in school ♪ 2082 01:34:22,222 --> 01:34:24,358 ♪ They couldn't read or write a word ♪ 2083 01:34:24,391 --> 01:34:26,893 ♪ But happiness they found ♪ 2084 01:34:26,927 --> 01:34:29,329 ♪ In a little song they heard ♪ 2085 01:34:29,362 --> 01:34:31,198 ♪ Here's how it would sound ♪ 2086 01:34:31,231 --> 01:34:33,300 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2087 01:34:33,333 --> 01:34:35,469 ♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it ♪ 2088 01:34:35,502 --> 01:34:38,072 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2089 01:34:38,105 --> 01:34:40,206 ♪ And a brawla soo-it ♪ 2090 01:34:40,240 --> 01:34:42,409 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2091 01:34:42,442 --> 01:34:44,878 ♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it ♪ 2092 01:34:44,911 --> 01:34:47,181 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2093 01:34:47,214 --> 01:34:49,850 ♪ And a brawla soo-it ♪ 2094 01:34:49,883 --> 01:34:52,286 ♪ Now the Rawlson is a Swedish town ♪ 2095 01:34:52,319 --> 01:34:54,254 ♪ The Rillerah is a stream ♪ 2096 01:34:54,287 --> 01:34:56,724 ♪ The brawla is the boy and girl ♪ 2097 01:34:56,757 --> 01:34:58,459 ♪ The Hut-Sut is their dream ♪ 2098 01:34:58,492 --> 01:35:00,828 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2099 01:35:00,861 --> 01:35:03,097 ♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it ♪ 2100 01:35:03,130 --> 01:35:05,332 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2101 01:35:05,365 --> 01:35:08,135 ♪ And a brawla soo-it ♪ 2102 01:35:08,168 --> 01:35:11,338 ("The Hut-Sut Song") 2103 01:35:48,175 --> 01:35:50,444 ♪ Now the Rawlson is a Swedish town ♪ 2104 01:35:50,477 --> 01:35:52,479 ♪ The Rillerah is a stream ♪ 2105 01:35:52,512 --> 01:35:55,014 ♪ The brawla is the boy and girl ♪ 2106 01:35:55,048 --> 01:35:56,784 ♪ The Hut-Sut is their dream ♪ 2107 01:35:56,817 --> 01:35:59,019 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2108 01:35:59,052 --> 01:36:01,221 ♪ And a brawla, brawla soo-it ♪ 2109 01:36:01,254 --> 01:36:03,257 ♪ Hut-Sut Rawlson on the Rillerah ♪ 2110 01:36:03,290 --> 01:36:06,994 ♪ And brawla soo-it ♪ 2111 01:36:07,027 --> 01:36:11,265 (moves into soft orchestral music) 2112 01:37:12,192 --> 01:37:16,197 (soft playful orchestral music)150789

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