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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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[NARRATOR] Once they were
larger-than-life idols
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created to
entertain children
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and were dismissed
by the adult world.
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But in the new
millennium,
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characters created over
half a century ago
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have re-emerged to dominate
the box office world wide.
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This is the story
of how superheroes
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have successfully
transitioned
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from the comic book page
to the silver screen
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and conquered
popular culture...
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[CHUCK DIXON] What
comics had over movies
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is they were ahead
of the audience.
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They were
a rough and ready
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cheap to produce medium.
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And Hollywood
is just now,
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50, 60 years later
catching up.
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Mr. Robert Downey Jr.
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[SCOTT MENDELSON]
The idea to me
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of high school jocks
and the popular kids
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grabbing
their buddies together
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and racing out
on opening night
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to see a movie where
Thor and Captain America
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and Iron Man fend off
an alien invasion
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was mind-boggling.
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[BRADFORD WRIGHT] There's
still an appeal for characters
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an audience
can see themselves in
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but can see
what they wish they could do
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and just cannot.
That they can fly.
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That they can
swing from webs.
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That they can
beat up a bully.
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And there's just
something intrinsically cool
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and appealing about
superheroes who do that.
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This is now exploding.
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It is the mainstream.
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[NARRATOR] Summer, 1989.
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A new phenomenon
has arisen
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that fuels the imagination of
audiences across the globe.
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Ever since the
first reports
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that a new Batman feature
film was imminent,
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helmed by young director
Tim Burton,
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anticipation
has been high.
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And now, as the film prepares
for general release,
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on the streets
of cities world wide
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its presence is impossible
to ignore.
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This phenomenon is quickly
called "Batmania".
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[GEOFF BOUCHER] There really
had never been anything
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quite like it
at that magnitude.
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You'd seen
merchandise successes,
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obviously Star Wars.
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You'd seen
merchandizing failures.
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Dr. Dolittle.
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You would see
other things follow it
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like Dick Tracy.
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But this one was different.
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[JEFFREY HENDERSON] It was
so alien and so crazy
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and the anticipation
was so high.
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I remember when I was a kid
and the trailer came out.
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I remember being
with all my friends
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and we just looked
at each other.
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We paid to go in the theater
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just to watch the trailer
'cause there was no Internet.
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- Vicki Vale.
- Bruce Wayne.
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And what do you do for a living?
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[GROANS]
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[GUNSHOTS]
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[JEFFREY HENDERSON]
We just sat there
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with our mouths open.
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What alternate reality
did I wake up in
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where I'm watching a trailer
for a Batmanmovie?
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[NARRATOR] And although the
focus of this hysteria
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was a new feature film,
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the release
reawakened interest
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in the character
of Batman himself
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and helped revitalize
the medium
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from which he
had emerged -
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the comic book.
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[JENNA BUSCH] When Tim
Burton's Batman came out
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people were definitely
reading comics,
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but it wasn't super cool
to be reading comics.
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But when that film came out
and the marketing started
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and you had just
that Bat symbol
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it looked so cool.
It wasn't about the actors.
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It was just about the symbol
and the character.
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[BRADFORD WRIGHT]
The whole marketing plan
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behind the Tim Burton
Batman film
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did so much to broaden
comic book culture
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and superhero culture
into all kinds of merchandise
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and all kinds
of mainstream fashion.
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I remember I was
in high school
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just a few years earlier
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and I never wore
superhero t-shirts
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and I don't remember
seeing anybody who did.
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Then all of a
sudden in 1989
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everyone's wearing
Batman t-shirts.
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That's the point where
geek culture, if you will,
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had started to become cool.
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[NARRATOR] The film was
released to coincide
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with the 50th anniversary of
its iconic lead character,
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and during Batman's
half-century lifespan,
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comic books,
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and the superheroes portrayed
in their pages,
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had drifted in and out
of mainstream consciousness.
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But they had never been
'cool' before,
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and from the
very inception
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of the American
comic book industry
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in the late 1930s,
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they had always
been dismissed
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as throwaway entertainment
for children.
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[LAURENCE MASLON] It was an
industry pitched to kids.
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They were cheap.
They cost a dime.
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They were sold in drugstores
and candy stores.
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Kids would show up
and would put their dime,
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their 20, 30 cents.
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They'd roll them up,
stick them in their back pocket.
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Maybe they'd trade them
with friends.
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They were basically
something you bought
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with a soda
and a pack of bubble gum.
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You stored them
under your bed.
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And when you grew up
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and you were 16
you never read them again.
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[NARRATOR] But
from the pages
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of these
children's picture books
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would emerge heroes who have
endured until the present day.
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Although the formative years
of the industry were focused
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on short strips
and comedy characters,
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by the late 1930s
two of its defining icons
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were developed by New
York publisher DC comics.
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In Action Comics
Issue One,
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duo Jerry Siegel
and Joe Shuster
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introduced Superman,
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and in response
the following year
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Bob Kane and Bill Finger
created Batman.
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The all-powerful
son of Krypton
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and the Dark
Knight Detective
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became archetypes for all
of the superheroes
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who followed
in their wake.
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[NEAL ADAMS]
When Superman was created
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they did create a superhero
from another planet
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who is in effect almost
like a god, but not.
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He really wants
to be a man.
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He really wants
to be Clark Kent.
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He is the end of the spectrum.
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All superheroes
are less than him.
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Batman is not
a superhero at all.
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He just wears a costume.
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Batman is an everyman
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who trained himself
to become a great detective
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and a great athlete.
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All the other comic
book superheroes
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lie between
these two characters.
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These are the alpha
and omega of our industry.
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[NARRATOR] An immediate
hit with young readers,
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comic book publishers rushed
to develop new superheroes
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to capitalize on the success
of Superman and Batman.
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And this creative boom
occurred
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just as another industry
was also enjoying
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an upsurge of interest
from young audiences.
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With the advent of sound
in cinema,
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Hollywood was thriving,
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and film companies were
looking for new material
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to bring to the
silver screen.
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With their larger-than-life
characters
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and their dynamic
visual style,
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comic books represented
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an instantly compatible
artform.
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[CHUCK DIXON] Comics at their
best are very cinematic.
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If you look at storyboards
for movies,
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they're comic book pages.
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The closer
you can get comics
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to the feel of a movie
and the flow of a movie
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the better they are.
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Not to say that one medium
is superior over the other.
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[LAURENCE MASLON] In the
late 30s, early 40s
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when people went to the movies
it was an all-day affair.
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You would have an 'A' picture,
you'd have a 'B' picture,
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you'd have cartoons,
shorts, newsreels.
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And really far down on the bill
was something called a serial.
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Flash!
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Don't fire.
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Save yourself, Flash.
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You'll be burned to a cinder.
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I'm setting you free first.
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He has chosen his own death!
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[LAURENCE MASLON] These
were the bottom feeders
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for mostly kids
who saw Saturday matinees.
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They might be
18 minutes long,
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they were black and white,
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they were filmed
on an absolute shoestring.
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They started
with westerns.
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Flash Gordon crept in
in the late 30s
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and someone spent
an extra $1.50.
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Superheroes start appearing on the
scene, '38, '39, '40,
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so it was a no brainer
to try to get them in
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to these movies.
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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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[BRADFORD WRIGHT] It was
pretty logical that
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once comic book superheroes
did become
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very popular and visible
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that they would make
the transition
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or attempt to make
the transition to the screen,
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to the cinema.
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Bob Kane, Bill Finger
were very influenced
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by Citizen Kane.
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Jerry Robinson,
an early Batman artist,
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took a lot of images from
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German expressionist
films
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and put that intoBatman.
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Of course, when a Batman
serial did come out,
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it didn't look anything like
Citizen Kane
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or anything like
German expressionist films.
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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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Oh, a Jap!
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It is useless
for you to struggle.
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My zombies are too strong,
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even for a superior person
like yourself to cope with.
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[NEAL ADAMS] When I was a kid,
I watched the Batman serials,
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which were terrible.
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I watched the Superman
serials which were great.
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I watched all this stuff
when I went to the movies
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with my friends.
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So it wasn't just
the comic books
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we had rolled up
in our back pocket.
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It was the serials that
we saw on Saturday morning
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with the cartoons.
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Those things were part
of an evolutionary process
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that got cut in 1953.
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[NARRATOR] Just asSuperman
graduated from the serials
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to a household name through a
successful television show,
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comic books fell
under the scrutiny
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of the US censors.
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As national concerns
over juvenile delinquency
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reached fever pitch,
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comic books were singled-out
as a bad influence
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on young,
impressionable minds.
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Having entered
the mainstream momentarily,
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superheroes were once again
cast into obscurity.
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And here they remained
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until the world was turned
upside down in the 1960s.
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As the Beatles heralded
the dawn of a vibrant,
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youth-driven popular culture,
into this brave new world
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came the return to screens of
the Dark Knight detective.
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And unlike
his past incarnation
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in the movie serials,
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this Batman became
an international sensation.
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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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Yes, Commissioner.
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Dreadful news. Catwoman is
on the prowl again.
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We're on our way.
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To the Batpoles.
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[BATMAN THEME TUNE]
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[LAURENCE MASLON]
WhenBatman appeared
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on American television
in 1966,
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no one had really
seen Batman.
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There were a
couple of serials
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but this was a full color
multi-million dollar
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twice weekly television episode.
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And the great thing that people
forget about the '66 Batman
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was it was shown
at 7:30 at night
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and it was the first
superhero thing, media thing
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ever pitched at a time
when adults could also watch it.
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Batman became
an adult phenomenon.
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It exploded this world
of Bat paraphernalia
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and Bat merchandise.
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I would venture to say
that the Batmobile
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from the 1966-67 series
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is probably still
the most recognizable car
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in American history.
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[EXPLOSIONS]
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Just as I thought, she's mined
the road with explosives.
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No wonder you had me
put on the Bat armor.
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Gosh, you really think
of everything, Batman.
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What's that?
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Although the Bat armor
protected our car,
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those landmines blew our tires.
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Robin, turn on the automatic
tire repair device.
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[BRADFORD WRIGHT] In the 1960s,
you had theBatman TV show
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which was extremely successful,
but it was all about camp.
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It was walking this line
between on the one hand
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kids were happy
to see their hero on TV
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and generally took
the adventures at face value,
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but, of course, adults were
watching it and laughing at it
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and by implication laughing
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at comic book
superheroes in general.
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Got you, you thieves!
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One move and you're a dead duo.
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Holy Bat trap!
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Let's fight our way out of this.
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[NEAL ADAMS] It was
intended to be campy.
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It was intended
to be a satire.
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The writing of the show
was stupid and wonderful
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at the same time. It was
just a fantastic thing.
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It wasn't Batman
but it was a good satire.
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It was inspiring
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because you could
then look at it and say,
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"That's not Batman.
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But at least
we're doing comic books.
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It's beginning, OK."
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Who had the foresight
to know it's beginning?
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Nobody. Not really.
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But now we can look back
on it and say,
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"Yes, it's beginning."
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[NARRATOR] While this pop art
parody was propelling Batman
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into the very heart of
the 60s cultural revolution,
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in the comic book world,
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a new force was
transforming the industry
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and rewriting the rules -
Marvel.
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Although the company
had its origins
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in the comic book boom
of the late 1930s,
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it was in the 1960s
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that it truly made
its presence felt,
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powered by
the remarkable drive
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of writer and editor,
Stan Lee.
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In a surge of
inspiration,
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he created a wealth
of very modern superheroes
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who proved
to have an enduring appeal.
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[LAURENCE MASLON] The Hulk,
Spider-Man, Daredevil,
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The Avengers, Iron Man -
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these are the cadre
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of great Marvel characters
that he created
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with Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko
almost overnight.
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He created them all within
two years which is astonishing.
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And what Stan Lee did was
to take these costume geeks,
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these weirdoes, and set them
in New York City,
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and he could bring in
tensions from the 1960s,
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radiation,
communism, alienation,
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and he simply made them
psychological and human.
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Every Marvel hero,
no matter how ridiculous,
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tried to have a base
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in a reality that the audience
could understand.
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I had no interest
in Clark Kent's life,
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or Superman's life.
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Bruce Wayne was
as far beyond the reality
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I was seeing around me
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as realistically Donald Trump.
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That was what was cool
about Spider-Man,
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about Peter Parker.
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He's a high
school student
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and he was
a high school student
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in a way
that appealed to geeks -
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he wore a tie,
a sleeveless vest.
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That struck painfully
close to home.
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[NARRATOR]
These Marvel characters
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soon became
household names,
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quickly transferred
from the comic book page
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to the television set
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through successful
cartoon series.
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Their appeal
was largely confined
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to the youth market,
however,
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and superheroes continued
to be regarded
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as children's
entertainment.
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This would alter
in the following decade.
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With a change
in ownership,
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DC comics had been brought
into Warner Communications,
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a vast media group
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with a powerful
film production arm.
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This led, in 1978,
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to the first
superhero blockbuster,
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featuring DC's pioneering
Man of Steel...
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[SUPERMAN THEME MUSIC]
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[BRADFORD WRIGHT] While
Marvel was outdoing DC
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in the comic books
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it was totally the opposite
in cinema
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because DC had
the most recognizable characters
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for a mass audience.
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So when the Christopher Reeve
Supermanmovie came out
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that was obviously
a huge success.
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[SCREAMS]
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What the hell's that?
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Easy, Miss. I've got you.
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You... You've got me?
Who's got you?!
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[ROSIE FLETCHER] It came
at a particular time
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when big ticket cinema events
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were suddenly really appealing
to audiences.
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The idea of queueing
round the block,
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hence the 'blockbuster' name,
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was something that suddenly
became very exciting to people.
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And I think he was obviously
a very well-known property,
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a very famous property,
probably the most famous.
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And, of course,
it is a family film,
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but it isn't a
kid's film.
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[LAURENCE MASLON] Certainly
the first and second
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Superman movies
of the late 70s
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with Christopher Reeve,
directed by Richard Donner
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and then Richard Lester.
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They to me are
mythic American storytelling.
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They roll out his origin.
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Superman 2
is a fantastic Greek story
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where he has to give up
his powers to be happy
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or is he going to be unhappy
and save the world?
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This is mythic stuff.
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[NARRATOR]
With an all-star cast
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and the largest budget ever
spent on a feature film,
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Superman andSuperman II
were shot back to back
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and released
to enormous commercial
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and critical success.
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And despite the limitations
of visual effects at the time,
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as the original film's poster
exclaimed,
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it made audiences believe
that a man could fly.
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[SCOTT BEATTY] The challenge
to any comic book adaptation
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is making it realistic.
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For any sci-fi film,
for any genre film
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that involves fantasy
or these elements,
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00:17:50,243 --> 00:17:52,027
it's the willing suspension
of disbelief.
405
00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:55,726
If we can't believe that
Christopher Reeve was flying
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in the first Supermanfilm,
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00:17:57,511 --> 00:17:59,469
if we can't believe that these
characters have these powers.
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But I think more importantly,
if we can't believe
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that the actor
playing it believes
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that they are shooting optic
beams out of their eyes
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or reading
the thoughts of others,
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or teleporting
across vast distances
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it's not going to sell
to the audience.
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[NARRATOR] But Superman
didn't start a trend
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and in its wake
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only a handful of superhero
adaptations followed.
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In the comics world, however,
things were changing.
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This was nowhere
more apparent
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than in the pages
of "Batman",
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a hero who had undergone
a radical rethink
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since the camp caricature
of the 60s TV show...
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[BRADFORD WRIGHT] At first,
that had a big impact
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on comic book sales of Batman.
They really spiked.
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But they started to follow
the TV show a little bit.
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Then when the TV crashed
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and the ratings plummeted,
and then it was canceled,
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the Batman comic books
were left in this
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00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:50,955
'what do we do now?'
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Fortunately, I think
the writer Denny O' Neil
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and Neal Adams took
a very different approach.
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They took Batman out of
the TV show completely.
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[LAURENCE MASLON] They
went back to the Batman
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that appeared
in 1939, 1940.
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And then got kind of
whitewashed out.
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It was a dark avenger
who only existed at night.
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He represented vengeance.
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00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:12,107
He represented
retribution.
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He led a very tough life.
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And you had these
solo adventures of Batman
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that Frank Miller picked up on
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in the early 1980s and turned
into the Dark Knightsaga.
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[NARRATOR] And it was this
darker vision of Batman
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that would draw
superheroes
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into a far grittier world
in the 1980s.
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With the release
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of Frank Miller's
seminal graphic novel
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Dark Knight Returns and
Allan Moore'sKilling Joke,
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00:19:36,262 --> 00:19:39,221
the comic book successfully
transcended its roots
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as children's entertainment,
and became more adult,
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more bleak
and often more violent.
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In February 1989,
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just as trailers
began circulating
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for the forthcoming
feature film,
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headlines across America
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were focused
on the Batman comic itself,
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and a four-issue story
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that ended
with the murder of Robin.
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[CHUCK DIXON]
You're on this path
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where Batman is kind of
a bellwether character.
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00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:09,120
All comics become
as mature as Batman,
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00:20:09,164 --> 00:20:11,514
or they become
as dark as Batman.
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00:20:11,558 --> 00:20:13,168
Batmankind of
leads the way.
463
00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:15,692
Obviously when Tim Burton
goes to do the character,
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and the screenwriter
is assigned
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and everything else,
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00:20:19,218 --> 00:20:21,350
they're looking
at the current comics
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00:20:21,394 --> 00:20:23,222
so the character
was turning dark.
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00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:25,441
And then you add
Tim Burton to the mix
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00:20:25,485 --> 00:20:27,530
and you get
what Tim Burton brings
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and that's how you end up
with that movie.
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[NARRATOR] As much as
the Batman craze of 1989
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was driven by publicity,
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the film itself
was marketed
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as the brainchild
of director Tim Burton,
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and this was key
to its appeal.
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A gifted filmmaker
with a distinctive vision,
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he signaled a
new Hollywood
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that was young,
alternative and modern.
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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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Ah!
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[NEAL ADAMS] Tim Burton's
Batman was personal.
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He's got a great look.
483
00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,659
He's got
a great sense of things.
484
00:21:09,703 --> 00:21:12,009
It was inviting
a creative talent
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into the field
of doing comic books.
486
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He couldn't have done it
in any other way if he tried.
487
00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:21,628
Don't kill me.
Don't kill me, man.
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00:21:21,671 --> 00:21:23,717
Don't kill me.
Don't kill me, man!
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I'm not going to kill you.
I want you to do me a favor.
490
00:21:26,807 --> 00:21:28,722
I want you to tell
all your friends about me.
491
00:21:28,765 --> 00:21:30,767
Who are you?
492
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I'm Batman.
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[MUSIC GROWS LOUDER]
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[SCOTT BEATTY] What Tim
Burton did in his film was
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he kept it centered
in the Tim Burton universe.
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If you look at
his long list of films
497
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from
A Nightmare Before Christmas
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to Beetle juice
to Edward Scissor hands
499
00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:54,356
there's a consistency
across the board.
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It has a Tim Burton DNA.
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00:21:56,706 --> 00:22:00,231
He was able to bring in
the elements of Batman
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that people really understood
as Batman.
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Gotham was dark.
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It had an element of danger
that was omnipresent
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which someone like Batman
to wage a war on crime.
506
00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:13,462
He got
all the right things right
507
00:22:13,506 --> 00:22:16,639
while still putting
the Tim Burton imprint on it.
508
00:22:16,683 --> 00:22:19,076
Yet the film was not
without controversy.
509
00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,209
When it had
initially been announced,
510
00:22:21,252 --> 00:22:23,472
comic books fans were
outraged over the casting
511
00:22:23,516 --> 00:22:25,996
of Michael Keaton
in the lead role,
512
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,130
an actor more associated
with comedy than drama.
513
00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:32,176
Yet he proved
an inspired choice.
514
00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:33,961
Michael Keaton
is the last person
515
00:22:34,004 --> 00:22:37,094
you would expect
to see as Batman,
516
00:22:37,138 --> 00:22:40,576
looking at any of the actors
who played it over the years,
517
00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:42,970
and yet he was perfect.
518
00:22:43,971 --> 00:22:46,452
Excuse me. Excuse me!
519
00:22:46,495 --> 00:22:48,454
Excuse me...
520
00:22:48,497 --> 00:22:49,846
Could you tell me
which of these guys
521
00:22:49,890 --> 00:22:52,153
is Bruce Wayne?
522
00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:54,242
Well, I'm not sure.
523
00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:56,244
Thanks anyway.
524
00:22:56,287 --> 00:22:58,855
- Yeah.
- Pretty.
525
00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:01,858
Huh? Oh, certainly.
Yeah.
526
00:23:01,902 --> 00:23:03,251
[SCOTT MENDELSON]
Michael Keaton was
527
00:23:03,294 --> 00:23:04,600
exceptional casting.
528
00:23:04,644 --> 00:23:06,297
Burton always said that
529
00:23:06,341 --> 00:23:09,083
he wanted
an unexceptional Bruce Wayne
530
00:23:09,126 --> 00:23:11,520
who would make
an extraordinary Batman.
531
00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:14,741
And I think what we saw
because of Batman
532
00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:17,874
was the idea that
you didn't necessarily need
533
00:23:17,918 --> 00:23:19,746
an action movie star
534
00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:21,530
to make an action movie.
535
00:23:21,574 --> 00:23:23,140
You cast the
human alter-ego,
536
00:23:23,184 --> 00:23:25,708
not the superhero.
537
00:23:25,752 --> 00:23:27,231
[NARRATOR]
With Jack Nicholson's
538
00:23:27,275 --> 00:23:29,582
scene-stealing performance
as the Joker,
539
00:23:29,625 --> 00:23:32,106
Kim Basinger becoming
a household name
540
00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:33,716
as love interest
Vicki Vale
541
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,065
and a soundtrack album
542
00:23:35,109 --> 00:23:37,764
featuring
all new material by Prince,
543
00:23:37,807 --> 00:23:40,767
Batman not only revitalized
superhero movies,
544
00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:42,638
but rewrote the rule book
545
00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:46,076
on how to successfully launch
a blockbuster franchise.
546
00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,513
[SCOTT MENDELSON]
It was the first
547
00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:51,473
pre-ordained blockbuster
of the modern age.
548
00:23:51,517 --> 00:23:52,953
It was revolutionary.
549
00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:55,259
It broke the opening
weekend record by a lot.
550
00:23:55,303 --> 00:23:57,436
It made $100 million
in ten days
551
00:23:57,479 --> 00:23:59,002
It showed Hollywood that
552
00:23:59,046 --> 00:24:02,136
there was an entire world
of properties
553
00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:05,269
that weren't necessarily
originated as film
554
00:24:05,313 --> 00:24:08,490
that can be made
into movies.
555
00:24:08,534 --> 00:24:10,013
[NARRATOR]
The film industry's focus
556
00:24:10,057 --> 00:24:12,625
was not primarily
on comic books, however,
557
00:24:12,668 --> 00:24:14,496
andBatman was seen
as a revival
558
00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:17,238
of both a once
successful TV series
559
00:24:17,281 --> 00:24:19,588
and of a 40s
pulp fiction hero.
560
00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:21,634
Over the coming years,
561
00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:23,331
this would see
big screen outings
562
00:24:23,374 --> 00:24:25,464
for Dick Tracy,
The Rocketeer
563
00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:27,857
and other icons
of the movie serials
564
00:24:27,901 --> 00:24:31,339
as well as adaptations
of classic television shows.
565
00:24:31,382 --> 00:24:33,515
Studios were
also now aware
566
00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,126
of the box office
potential of superheroes,
567
00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:38,085
and looked to Marvel
for characters
568
00:24:38,128 --> 00:24:40,522
that could translate
to the big screen.
569
00:24:40,566 --> 00:24:42,219
But the three films
that emerged
570
00:24:42,263 --> 00:24:44,613
in Batman's wake -
The Punisher,
571
00:24:44,657 --> 00:24:46,876
Captain America
and The Fantastic Four-
572
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,444
were ultra low-budget
disappointments
573
00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:52,969
that most audiences
didn't get a chance to see.
574
00:24:53,013 --> 00:24:54,884
[GEOFF BOUCHER] Marvel comics
are sitting right there,
575
00:24:54,928 --> 00:24:57,017
the best-selling comic book
in America at that time.
576
00:24:57,060 --> 00:25:00,020
And certainly there must be
movies to be made.
577
00:25:00,063 --> 00:25:01,456
Well, there were,
there would be.
578
00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,066
But the first ones that came out
579
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:06,156
weren't the ones that
anybody wanted to see
580
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,593
and they weren't
the ones that
581
00:25:07,636 --> 00:25:08,855
people were
particularly proud of.
582
00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:10,944
[MOTORBIKE REVVING]
583
00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:24,610
[LAURENCE MASLON] Everything
DC Warner Brothers did right
584
00:25:24,653 --> 00:25:26,699
Marvel did wrong.
585
00:25:26,742 --> 00:25:30,616
Marvel hadn't a clue
as to how to merchandise
586
00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:33,706
its amazingly
popular franchises.
587
00:25:33,749 --> 00:25:34,533
Get in!
588
00:25:35,272 --> 00:25:36,796
Come on, come on!
589
00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,450
And they sold off
a lot of their characters
590
00:25:39,494 --> 00:25:41,757
to make quick money
into movies
591
00:25:41,801 --> 00:25:45,848
that were so ghastly that
many of them weren't released.
592
00:25:45,892 --> 00:25:47,676
[NARRATOR] While Marvel
characters were failing
593
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,504
to successfully
make the transition
594
00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:51,114
to the big screen,
595
00:25:51,158 --> 00:25:53,508
in the comics world
they were still thriving,
596
00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:56,685
and the industry itself was
going through a boom-time.
597
00:25:56,729 --> 00:25:58,774
Thanks to the growing
maturity of the medium,
598
00:25:58,818 --> 00:26:01,429
and to a significant shift
in youth culture,
599
00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:04,519
comics were suddenly selling
in record numbers,
600
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:05,999
with new publishers
601
00:26:06,042 --> 00:26:08,610
and new titles
constantly being launched.
602
00:26:08,654 --> 00:26:10,264
[BRADFORD WRIGHT]
All these people
603
00:26:10,307 --> 00:26:13,267
who had been in subcultures
in the 1970s and 80s,
604
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:15,225
the Star Trek fans,
605
00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:17,837
the punk fans, the goths,
606
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,403
the comic book fans,
607
00:26:19,447 --> 00:26:22,058
had all existed
in their own little cells
608
00:26:22,102 --> 00:26:24,191
and they kind of knew
about each other
609
00:26:24,234 --> 00:26:26,062
but were afraid
of the outside world
610
00:26:26,106 --> 00:26:28,151
and the outside world
didn't know much about them.
611
00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:30,197
Then there was this explosion
612
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,895
into the mainstream
in the 1990s.
613
00:26:32,939 --> 00:26:34,854
Certainly you could
see it in music.
614
00:26:34,897 --> 00:26:37,552
Indie rock became
alternative rock
615
00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:39,946
as punk became grunge.
616
00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:41,643
It was just
this huge explosion.
617
00:26:41,687 --> 00:26:43,732
Now that became popular.
618
00:26:43,776 --> 00:26:46,648
Alternative became
the thing to be.
619
00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:50,260
I think that helped comic books
and comic book fans
620
00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:53,786
grow out of the dingy
comic book stores
621
00:26:53,829 --> 00:26:55,352
into a wider mainstream as well.
622
00:26:56,963 --> 00:26:59,226
[CROWDS CHEER]
623
00:26:59,269 --> 00:27:02,490
[NARRATOR] As this subculture
pushed into the mainstream,
624
00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:06,146
by the summer of 1992
Michael Keaton's Dark Knight
625
00:27:06,189 --> 00:27:09,976
came to the fore once
again inBatman Returns.
626
00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:12,543
And having demonstrated
his box office value
627
00:27:12,587 --> 00:27:14,067
with the original,
628
00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:16,112
this time director
Tim Burton's imagination
629
00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:17,636
was given free reign
630
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:21,030
in a far more eccentric take
on the DC character.
631
00:27:21,074 --> 00:27:23,163
Pitting Batman
against the twin villainy
632
00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:24,817
of Danny DeVito's Penguin
633
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:26,645
and Michelle Pfeiffer's
Catwoman,
634
00:27:26,688 --> 00:27:30,605
it proved
a far more divisive release.
635
00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:33,390
[SCOTT MENDELSON] Batman Returns
was a case of
636
00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:37,612
Tim Burton making
a gothic fairytale
637
00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,701
in the world of Batman.
638
00:27:39,745 --> 00:27:42,965
And something that has
always blown my mind
639
00:27:43,009 --> 00:27:45,620
even when I first saw the
film and I was 12 years old
640
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,317
is I'm thinking
to myself,
641
00:27:47,361 --> 00:27:51,713
if this film wasn't based
on characters we all knew
642
00:27:51,757 --> 00:27:55,108
it would be hailed as
one of the great arthouse
643
00:27:55,151 --> 00:27:57,850
whacked out
fantasy movies of our day.
644
00:27:57,893 --> 00:27:59,373
Eat your heart out,
Terry Gilliam.
645
00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:02,028
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
646
00:28:09,992 --> 00:28:12,125
[ROSIE FLETCHER] When I went to see
it, I absolutely loved it.
647
00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:14,997
First of all, the aesthetic was
like nothing I'd seen before.
648
00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:17,521
Certainly nothing
in any kind of comic book world.
649
00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:19,610
That gothic nature to it.
650
00:28:19,654 --> 00:28:21,308
It was serious and dark,
651
00:28:21,351 --> 00:28:23,353
but it wasn't bleak.
It was still fun.
652
00:28:23,397 --> 00:28:26,574
And for me, as a young
teen at this point
653
00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:29,838
and had never really felt
as a female that
654
00:28:29,882 --> 00:28:32,623
superheroes or comics
were really for me
655
00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,756
because in the era I grew up
that wasn't something
656
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,453
that a lot of
young women did.
657
00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:40,588
So I didn't have
a female superhero to idolize,
658
00:28:40,631 --> 00:28:43,722
but what I did have
is this amazingly cool woman
659
00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:45,767
who falls out of the window
and gets licked by cats
660
00:28:45,811 --> 00:28:48,814
and turns into
this incredibly sexy, sassy,
661
00:28:48,857 --> 00:28:51,468
powerful, exciting
anti-hero.
662
00:28:51,512 --> 00:28:53,732
I've always been
a huge fan of Catwoman.
663
00:28:53,775 --> 00:28:58,432
Always. And to actually see her,
not just on the big screen,
664
00:28:58,475 --> 00:28:59,825
not just as a main character,
665
00:28:59,868 --> 00:29:02,784
but actually even addressing
the sexism,
666
00:29:02,828 --> 00:29:04,220
that she deals with
in the office,
667
00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:05,613
something that seems so...
668
00:29:05,656 --> 00:29:07,267
Well, we haven't
quite fixed that.
669
00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:09,008
But seeing her
up there was huge
670
00:29:09,051 --> 00:29:10,923
and she was powerful.
671
00:29:10,966 --> 00:29:13,534
She was sexy,
which, by the way, is fine.
672
00:29:13,577 --> 00:29:15,231
I loved that costume.
673
00:29:15,275 --> 00:29:17,930
I think it was incredible for
a woman had to be sewn into it.
674
00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:20,454
And she absolutely held
her own against Batman.
675
00:29:20,497 --> 00:29:21,803
I think it was
incredible.
676
00:29:29,376 --> 00:29:30,420
Miaow.
677
00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:31,639
[EXPLOSION]
678
00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:35,817
[SCOTT BEATTY] I think Batman
Returns is a decent film
679
00:29:35,861 --> 00:29:38,515
but it started kind of a
trend in Batman films.
680
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,998
where the villains became
more important than the hero.
681
00:29:43,042 --> 00:29:45,479
Also two villains
for the price of one.
682
00:29:45,522 --> 00:29:48,308
That film for me
feels less focused
683
00:29:48,351 --> 00:29:49,831
as a Batman film
684
00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:52,138
as it is an
exploration of
685
00:29:52,181 --> 00:29:54,096
these very strange characters
686
00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:56,316
as seen through
Tim Burton's eyes.
687
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,057
[NARRATOR] And these
strange characters
688
00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,015
and the sinister tone
of the film
689
00:30:00,059 --> 00:30:03,018
that they inhabited
limited its wider appeal.
690
00:30:03,062 --> 00:30:04,759
[CHUCK DIXON]
I was on Batman books
691
00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:06,369
at the time
Batman Returns came out.
692
00:30:06,413 --> 00:30:08,458
And our sales went down,
693
00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:11,766
because parents
were so upset at the movie.
694
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,856
They expected to take the kids
to see a Batman movie
695
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:16,249
you could take kids to see.
696
00:30:16,292 --> 00:30:18,817
The Penguin material
was so frightening
697
00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:21,167
and Catwoman too
was so disturbing.
698
00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:23,909
that parents were outraged.
699
00:30:23,952 --> 00:30:26,476
[NARRATOR] Despite a healthy
opening box office,
700
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,478
the film suffered
from a backlash,
701
00:30:28,522 --> 00:30:30,567
forcing fast-food
giant McDonalds
702
00:30:30,611 --> 00:30:33,005
to pull a lucrative
merchandizing deal.
703
00:30:33,048 --> 00:30:36,791
Clearly never intended
as a family-friendly movie,
704
00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:39,359
Batman Returns
proved too mature
705
00:30:39,402 --> 00:30:42,057
for the summer
blockbuster market.
706
00:30:42,101 --> 00:30:44,538
But this didn't deter
smaller studios
707
00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:47,062
from investing
in comic book adaptations,
708
00:30:47,106 --> 00:30:49,021
and the boom
in that industry meant
709
00:30:49,064 --> 00:30:53,503
that there were now far more
characters to choose from.
710
00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:57,507
Independent publishers like
Caliber, Dark Horse and Image
711
00:30:57,551 --> 00:30:59,770
had created a wealth
of new heroes,
712
00:30:59,814 --> 00:31:01,120
and while Marvel
was struggling
713
00:31:01,163 --> 00:31:03,426
to get its characters
on to the screen,
714
00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:06,821
films likeThe Mask,
Barb Wire andThe Crow
715
00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:10,259
showcased these
more modern creations.
716
00:31:10,303 --> 00:31:11,957
[JEFFREY HENDERSON]
The Crow was the first one
717
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,350
where you took a character
the public did not know,
718
00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:16,048
was not invested
in it at all.
719
00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:18,746
You had a relatively
no name cast,
720
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:20,313
you had a low budget,
721
00:31:20,356 --> 00:31:22,924
and it was this beautiful
kick ass movie
722
00:31:22,968 --> 00:31:24,883
and the soundtrack was amazing.
723
00:31:24,926 --> 00:31:26,667
The production design
was amazing,
724
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:31,063
and it was totally its own
singular vision of something
725
00:31:31,106 --> 00:31:34,153
that was totally faithful
to the book as well.
726
00:31:34,196 --> 00:31:37,199
For those people to make
that kind of investment
727
00:31:37,243 --> 00:31:39,723
in a movie on a book
that no one knew about
728
00:31:39,767 --> 00:31:40,986
I thought was amazing.
729
00:31:45,686 --> 00:31:46,992
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
730
00:31:51,126 --> 00:31:52,998
[LAUGHING]
731
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,571
[SCOTT BEATTY] I think because
those characters were new.
732
00:32:01,615 --> 00:32:03,486
I think because
The Crow was new.
733
00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:07,186
The rights were much cheaper
to obtain than Hollywood.
734
00:32:07,229 --> 00:32:08,839
Timecopwas another film
735
00:32:08,883 --> 00:32:11,755
where you could get an actor
like Jean-Claude Van Damme.
736
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:15,194
who may not be the most fit
person to play Timecop
737
00:32:15,237 --> 00:32:16,717
but he worked
in the film.
738
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,371
If you look at
all those characters,
739
00:32:18,414 --> 00:32:21,026
people who went to the cinema
knew the actor
740
00:32:21,069 --> 00:32:22,592
more than they did
the character.
741
00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:24,377
So it was very easy
for the actor
742
00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:27,641
to impose his persona
or her persona
743
00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:29,295
over the character themselves,
744
00:32:29,338 --> 00:32:31,340
which helped to introduce
the character to the audience.
745
00:32:33,603 --> 00:32:36,737
[NARRATOR]
Los Angeles, 1995.
746
00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:40,088
It has taken three years for
Warner Brothers to regroup,
747
00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:41,916
rethink and
reimagineBatman.
748
00:32:43,048 --> 00:32:44,832
Reeling from the outrage
749
00:32:44,875 --> 00:32:47,487
at Tim Burton's dark and
singular previous outing,
750
00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:50,577
this time they aim squarely
at the family market.
751
00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:53,884
Once again, the cast
is an impressive ensemble,
752
00:32:53,928 --> 00:32:55,974
with Val Kilmer replacing
Michael Keaton
753
00:32:56,017 --> 00:32:57,366
in the lead role,
754
00:32:57,410 --> 00:33:00,500
Oscar-Winner Tommy Lee Jones
as Two-Face
755
00:33:00,543 --> 00:33:02,502
and Hollywood's
top comic actor,
756
00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:04,330
Jim Carrey,
as The Riddler,
757
00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:08,290
alongside Nicole Kidman and
Chris O'Donnell as Robin.
758
00:33:08,334 --> 00:33:11,902
Behind the camera, ex-costume
designer Joel Schumacher
759
00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:14,905
aimed to bring a different
vision to the series.
760
00:33:14,949 --> 00:33:17,734
Yet the resultant film,
Batman Forever,
761
00:33:17,778 --> 00:33:19,388
although
a commercial success,
762
00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:22,174
would prove
a creative dead end.
763
00:33:22,217 --> 00:33:24,480
[GEOFF BOUCHER] Once Tim
Burton steps back,
764
00:33:24,524 --> 00:33:26,917
what you're left with is,
765
00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:28,745
do we build on
what Tim has done
766
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:31,052
or do we go in a new direction?
767
00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:34,490
There's still the influence
and power of the memory
768
00:33:34,534 --> 00:33:36,884
of theBatman
television show.
769
00:33:36,927 --> 00:33:40,192
So those are the three
major directions you can go
770
00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:42,237
with the franchise.
771
00:33:42,281 --> 00:33:43,673
What no one considered
was doing
772
00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:45,414
what the comic books
were doing,
773
00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:48,243
because Hollywood's attitude
towards comic books was,
774
00:33:48,287 --> 00:33:50,158
OK, what's wrong
with this thing?
775
00:33:50,202 --> 00:33:51,942
How can we fix it
and make it a movie?
776
00:33:51,986 --> 00:33:53,988
Every time they pick up
a comic book
777
00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:57,122
their first thought is
what are we going to get rid of?
778
00:33:57,165 --> 00:33:59,863
With all these
different forces at work
779
00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,736
what happened next was
Batman Forever.
780
00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:04,781
It was loud,
it was brash.
781
00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:06,087
The imperatives
were commercial
782
00:34:06,131 --> 00:34:09,482
and there were
a lot of one liners.
783
00:34:09,525 --> 00:34:11,266
You called me here for this?
784
00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:14,052
The Bat signal is not a beeper.
785
00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:17,098
While I wish I could say
my interest in you was...
786
00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:19,448
...purely professional.
787
00:34:19,492 --> 00:34:22,060
Are you trying to get
under my cape, Doctor?
788
00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,193
A girl can't live
by psychosis alone.
789
00:34:25,237 --> 00:34:27,674
It's the car, right?
Chicks love the car.
790
00:34:27,717 --> 00:34:29,328
[SCOTT BEATTY] By the time
it got toBatman Forever,
791
00:34:29,371 --> 00:34:32,113
we were still willing to go
to see a Batman film.
792
00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:35,334
That's when the Batman films
started to slide off the rails.
793
00:34:35,377 --> 00:34:37,031
Again we had two villains.
794
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,554
We had another actor
in the Bat suit
795
00:34:38,598 --> 00:34:40,817
who weren't
unwilling to accept.
796
00:34:40,861 --> 00:34:43,255
Val Kilmer seemed to
sleepwalk through the role.
797
00:34:43,298 --> 00:34:45,474
But he was upstaged
by the villains.
798
00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:49,043
Tommy Lee Jones' very Joker
like turn as Two-Face.
799
00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,610
Let's start this party
with a bang.
800
00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:55,702
It was a character
who's not like the Joker.
801
00:34:55,745 --> 00:34:58,270
And Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey.
802
00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:02,839
I hope you made extra.
803
00:35:02,883 --> 00:35:04,667
Who the hell are you?
804
00:35:05,668 --> 00:35:07,409
Just a friend.
805
00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:09,063
But you can call me...
806
00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:12,066
...The Riddler.
807
00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:16,462
It seems Schumacher
wanted to impose
808
00:35:16,505 --> 00:35:18,159
his own stylistic vision,
809
00:35:18,203 --> 00:35:20,335
which I think is
very much influenced
810
00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:22,163
by the 1960s version.
811
00:35:22,207 --> 00:35:25,340
Again, we went back
to the skewed camera angles.
812
00:35:25,384 --> 00:35:28,169
We got a neon approach,
813
00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:31,738
rather than the day-glo colors
of the Batman TV series.
814
00:35:31,781 --> 00:35:35,176
Bat nipples.
Need I go further?
815
00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:36,482
[NARRATOR]
Although more suitable
816
00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:38,048
as family entertainment,
817
00:35:38,092 --> 00:35:40,181
with McDonalds
firmly back on board
818
00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:42,052
for the merchandizing
tie-in,
819
00:35:42,096 --> 00:35:45,447
this was Batman back in
the territory of camp parody
820
00:35:45,491 --> 00:35:47,841
and comics fans
and reviewers alike
821
00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:50,017
voiced their
disappointment.
822
00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:53,194
When, in 1998,
Schumacher returned
823
00:35:53,238 --> 00:35:54,848
with yet another Batman,
824
00:35:54,891 --> 00:35:56,937
George Clooney
for the follow-up,
825
00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:59,809
studio hopes were high
for another smash hit.
826
00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:01,637
Yet this star-studded
spectacle
827
00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:03,335
would become infamous,
828
00:36:03,378 --> 00:36:07,643
regularly voted as one of
the worst films ever made.
829
00:36:07,687 --> 00:36:09,254
[EMMA LOGGINS]
I don't want to be mean
830
00:36:09,297 --> 00:36:12,213
but I feel like Schumacher
single-handedly destroyed
831
00:36:12,257 --> 00:36:13,954
the Batman movie
franchise.
832
00:36:13,997 --> 00:36:17,262
In his defense, I don't feel
like it was entirely his fault.
833
00:36:17,305 --> 00:36:22,223
I feel like Warner Brothers'
lack of understanding
834
00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:24,617
of the story and the characters
835
00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:27,794
is why he got away
with that interpretation.
836
00:36:29,404 --> 00:36:32,190
But yeah, it's not good.
837
00:36:32,233 --> 00:36:34,192
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
838
00:36:37,238 --> 00:36:39,197
Hi Freeze. I'm Batman.
839
00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:02,959
You're not sending me
to the cooler.
840
00:37:03,003 --> 00:37:06,267
[GEOFF BOUCHER] Batman and
Robin was the death knell
841
00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:07,834
that would make
people realize
842
00:37:07,877 --> 00:37:11,490
you could not treat these
movies like a t-shirt shop
843
00:37:11,533 --> 00:37:14,971
and expect people
to come in every summer.
844
00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:17,409
I've heard Kevin Feige at Marvel
refer to Batman and Robin
845
00:37:17,452 --> 00:37:19,933
as the most important
comic book move ever made
846
00:37:19,976 --> 00:37:22,327
because it was
so egregiously bad
847
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:25,982
that it signaled that
anything was better than this.
848
00:37:26,026 --> 00:37:28,071
So someone came up
with the desperate idea
849
00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:30,770
of actually paying attention
to the source material
850
00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:33,990
because now there was
nothing else to be tried anyway
851
00:37:34,034 --> 00:37:36,384
so we might as well try
to do it the way they did it.
852
00:37:36,428 --> 00:37:37,777
[NARRATOR] It
would be years
853
00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:40,170
before this new approach
came to fruition.
854
00:37:40,214 --> 00:37:41,737
In the meantime,
855
00:37:41,781 --> 00:37:44,914
just as the Batman franchise
crashed and burned,
856
00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:48,178
a slump in comic book sales
saw the entire industry
857
00:37:48,222 --> 00:37:51,921
go from boom to bust
almost overnight.
858
00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:54,446
By the close of 1996,
859
00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:57,884
industry leader Marvel
filed for bankruptcy.
860
00:37:57,927 --> 00:37:59,277
With the comics
themselves
861
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,235
no longer able
to keep it afloat,
862
00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:03,977
its only hope lay
in the motion pictures
863
00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:05,674
that were currently
in development
864
00:38:05,718 --> 00:38:07,502
with film studios
at the time,
865
00:38:07,546 --> 00:38:10,375
and with their previous lack
of success at the box office,
866
00:38:10,418 --> 00:38:12,333
their chances
seemed slim.
867
00:38:12,377 --> 00:38:16,206
And then, in 1998,
a film was released
868
00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:19,732
focused on a Marvel character
few were even aware of...
869
00:38:19,775 --> 00:38:21,603
...Blade.
870
00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:25,259
[SCOTT MENDELSON] Blade was
Marvel's first successful
871
00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:28,697
cinematic theatrical entry in
the comic book superhero world.
872
00:38:28,741 --> 00:38:31,526
But for 99% of people
going to that movie
873
00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:34,747
it was, "Oh, it's a Wesley
Snipes action-horror movie
874
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:37,750
where he plays a vampire
and he kills vampires." Neat!
875
00:38:39,926 --> 00:38:42,102
It's like a bad dream.
876
00:38:42,145 --> 00:38:44,278
There are worse things
out tonight than vampires.
877
00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:45,845
Like what?
878
00:38:45,888 --> 00:38:47,412
Like me.
879
00:38:47,455 --> 00:38:50,415
It was surprising that
Marvel's first cinematic hit
880
00:38:50,458 --> 00:38:51,851
turned out to be Blade,
881
00:38:51,894 --> 00:38:53,853
because even within
comic book readers
882
00:38:53,896 --> 00:38:56,290
Blade was
an obscure character.
883
00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:58,379
He appeared
in the Marvel comic
884
00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:01,077
"Tomb of Dracula
in the 1970s.
885
00:39:01,121 --> 00:39:02,383
[SCOTT BEATTY]
Blade was a character
886
00:39:02,427 --> 00:39:05,604
who was half vampire
who hunted vampires.
887
00:39:05,647 --> 00:39:07,388
Being able to describe
the character
888
00:39:07,432 --> 00:39:09,434
in two to three sentences
is very important.
889
00:39:09,477 --> 00:39:12,262
If you can do that then
the audience can accept that.
890
00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:14,047
I think the success of
Blade was that
891
00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:15,614
we had
an established action star
892
00:39:15,657 --> 00:39:17,485
or somebody who was on
the rise as an action star
893
00:39:17,529 --> 00:39:18,834
Wesley Snipes.
894
00:39:18,878 --> 00:39:21,097
And we had
a very fun vampire film.
895
00:39:21,141 --> 00:39:23,404
It was probably one
of the first films to capitalize
896
00:39:23,448 --> 00:39:25,711
on what would later become
the vampire zeitgeist,
897
00:39:25,754 --> 00:39:29,149
minus the romance and sparkles
of the twilight series.
898
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:34,372
[GROANS]
899
00:39:40,726 --> 00:39:43,076
You're one of them, aren't you.
900
00:39:45,165 --> 00:39:48,951
No, I'm something else.
901
00:39:48,995 --> 00:39:50,866
There's an interesting
lesson in Blade.
902
00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:54,870
The fact that the character
was so relatively unknown.
903
00:39:54,914 --> 00:39:56,263
There is no one
that could say,
904
00:39:56,306 --> 00:39:58,613
"Hm, I think it should
be more like this."
905
00:39:58,657 --> 00:40:01,355
If you put Superman
or Batman on screen
906
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,052
it's almost like
a Rorschach test.
907
00:40:03,096 --> 00:40:04,706
You can ask
any film executive
908
00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:06,491
what they think a Superman
movie should have
909
00:40:06,534 --> 00:40:08,188
and they'll have an answer.
910
00:40:08,231 --> 00:40:10,059
That's not necessarily
a good thing.
911
00:40:10,103 --> 00:40:12,714
Ask them what a Blade movie
should be like, they don't know.
912
00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:14,412
That could be a good thing.
913
00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:15,804
[JEFFREY HENDERSON]
I loveBlade.
914
00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:17,415
I love the character
of Blade.
915
00:40:17,458 --> 00:40:19,591
I love the movie Blade
and I love Wesley Snipes.
916
00:40:19,634 --> 00:40:21,157
To make
that kind of investment...
917
00:40:21,201 --> 00:40:22,942
It was the same
thing with The Crow
918
00:40:22,985 --> 00:40:25,031
where you have
an obscure character.
919
00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:26,946
On paper it shouldn't work.
920
00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:30,602
And at the time, especially
then it shouldn't work
921
00:40:30,645 --> 00:40:32,865
because there was nothing
in the pop culture landscape
922
00:40:32,908 --> 00:40:35,171
that would indicate
that audiences were hungry
923
00:40:35,215 --> 00:40:38,044
for a black vampire killer
from Marvel comics.
924
00:40:38,087 --> 00:40:40,438
A character that didn't
even have his own book.
925
00:40:40,481 --> 00:40:43,702
He was an ancillary character
from another book.
926
00:40:43,745 --> 00:40:45,834
The fact that they threw
down, they made the investment
927
00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:47,836
and they really made it work,
I thought it was great.
928
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,056
I wish that movie
got more love now
929
00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:52,798
compared to a lot of the Marvel
movies that have come out.
930
00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:56,236
None of them would have happened
without Blade.
931
00:40:56,279 --> 00:40:58,456
[NARRATOR] Blade provided
a glimmer of hope
932
00:40:58,499 --> 00:41:00,240
during Marvel's
darkest hour,
933
00:41:00,283 --> 00:41:02,285
not just a success
in its own right
934
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:05,375
but only one of a number
of projects being developed
935
00:41:05,419 --> 00:41:07,334
by different studios.
936
00:41:07,377 --> 00:41:08,901
This last minute
resurgence
937
00:41:08,944 --> 00:41:10,990
couldn't have been
better timed.
938
00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:12,905
Over the previous decade
939
00:41:12,948 --> 00:41:14,994
digital technology
had been advancing
940
00:41:15,037 --> 00:41:16,735
at an astonishing rate,
941
00:41:16,778 --> 00:41:18,476
and this evolution
had fed directly
942
00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,521
into the cinematic world.
943
00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:23,437
FromTerminator 2
andJurassic Park
944
00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:25,526
toTitanic
andStarship Troopers,
945
00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:30,226
in the 1990s computer
generated imagery, or CGI,
946
00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:31,750
began to enable
filmmakers
947
00:41:31,793 --> 00:41:35,362
to realistically portray
the previously unfilmable.
948
00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:36,929
At the dawn
of the new millennium,
949
00:41:36,972 --> 00:41:39,061
a pioneering film emerged
950
00:41:39,105 --> 00:41:41,324
that was inspired
by the comic book form,
951
00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:45,764
and it gave a true indication
of the future of cinema.
952
00:41:45,807 --> 00:41:48,810
[GEOFF BOUCHER] What was the
first great comic book movie
953
00:41:48,854 --> 00:41:51,378
that signaled
what the movies could do?
954
00:41:51,421 --> 00:41:52,771
For me, it'sThe Matrix.
955
00:41:52,814 --> 00:41:54,642
The Matrix is not
a comic book adaptation.
956
00:41:54,686 --> 00:41:57,819
I don't care.
The Wachowskis came from
957
00:41:57,863 --> 00:42:00,953
the universes of Jack Kirby
and Neal Adams
958
00:42:00,996 --> 00:42:02,998
and all the other great
comic book people.
959
00:42:03,042 --> 00:42:04,478
They were conversant.
960
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,088
They understood
the physics of it.
961
00:42:06,132 --> 00:42:09,570
They understood
the wow factor of it.
962
00:42:09,614 --> 00:42:11,006
They put it on the screen first.
963
00:42:16,272 --> 00:42:18,753
That last scene
in the first movie when Neo
964
00:42:18,797 --> 00:42:20,886
launches himself
into the sky...
965
00:42:26,152 --> 00:42:27,762
Everybody in the theatre
966
00:42:27,806 --> 00:42:30,460
that owned a box
full of comics at home
967
00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:32,245
had the same thought.
968
00:42:32,288 --> 00:42:34,464
That's Superman.
That's what is should look like.
969
00:42:34,508 --> 00:42:36,379
That's what
we've been wanting to see.
970
00:42:36,423 --> 00:42:38,860
How come I've never seen that
in a superhero movie?
971
00:42:38,904 --> 00:42:40,775
[NARRATOR] Yet now
the wait was over.
972
00:42:40,819 --> 00:42:43,735
After years of sub-standard,
low-budget films
973
00:42:43,778 --> 00:42:46,520
failing to bring
the Marvel universe to life,
974
00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:49,305
in 2000
one of its flagship titles
975
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:51,481
made its transition
to the big screen -
976
00:42:51,525 --> 00:42:53,353
The X-Men.
977
00:42:53,396 --> 00:42:56,008
Developed by Stan Lee
and Jack Kirby,
978
00:42:56,051 --> 00:42:57,705
it would become
the biggest-selling comic
979
00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:59,272
of the 1990s,
980
00:42:59,315 --> 00:43:02,362
although initially
it proved less successful...
981
00:43:02,405 --> 00:43:04,059
[LAURENCE MASLON]
The X-Men have a long
982
00:43:04,103 --> 00:43:05,626
and convoluted history.
983
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:08,020
They started
as one of the last teams
984
00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:11,197
that Lee and Kirby created
in the 1960s.
985
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:15,331
Their book got cancelled
every five days
986
00:43:15,375 --> 00:43:17,507
it seemed like
through the 60s and 70s.
987
00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:21,294
And then in the hands of Chris
Claremont and Dave Cockrum
988
00:43:21,337 --> 00:43:23,513
they had
this incredible resurgence.
989
00:43:23,557 --> 00:43:25,690
[CHRIS CLAREMONT] The appeal
of the title was simple.
990
00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:29,650
A cool bunch of characters
that had just been created
991
00:43:29,694 --> 00:43:32,000
so it was
totally virgin territory,
992
00:43:32,044 --> 00:43:34,089
and the chance to work
993
00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:36,135
with one of the best artists
in the business, Dave Cockrum.
994
00:43:36,178 --> 00:43:37,963
Spidey had been around
for five years.
995
00:43:38,006 --> 00:43:39,312
The FF had been.
996
00:43:39,355 --> 00:43:40,835
Everyone else
had continuity.
997
00:43:40,879 --> 00:43:43,011
Everyone else had
a clutch of writers
998
00:43:43,055 --> 00:43:44,665
who'd come before
999
00:43:44,709 --> 00:43:47,189
who defined the characters
in the series.
1000
00:43:47,233 --> 00:43:53,631
This was virgin territory
and it was irresistible.
1001
00:43:53,674 --> 00:43:55,458
[NARRATOR] The X-Men were
very different
1002
00:43:55,502 --> 00:43:58,331
from Lee and Kirby's
other creations.
1003
00:43:58,374 --> 00:44:01,160
Where their previous heroes
had been normal people
1004
00:44:01,203 --> 00:44:03,553
transformed by exposure
to cosmic rays
1005
00:44:03,597 --> 00:44:05,686
and radioactive spiders,
1006
00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,209
this was a team
of mutants
1007
00:44:07,253 --> 00:44:09,124
who were born
with their superpowers
1008
00:44:09,168 --> 00:44:11,083
and shunned by society.
1009
00:44:11,126 --> 00:44:14,652
During Claremont's
17-year tenure on the title,
1010
00:44:14,695 --> 00:44:17,089
their struggle proved
particularly resonant
1011
00:44:17,132 --> 00:44:19,439
for an ever-growing
number of readers.
1012
00:44:19,482 --> 00:44:20,962
[BRADFORD WRIGHT]
The X-Men are like
1013
00:44:21,006 --> 00:44:22,660
comic book fans
themselves.
1014
00:44:22,703 --> 00:44:26,533
They are a close-knit
community of outcasts.
1015
00:44:26,576 --> 00:44:28,622
Within Marvel, there were
the Spider-Man,
1016
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:30,276
The Hulk, Daredevil fans
1017
00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:31,712
and then there were
the X-Men fans
1018
00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:33,758
who would have liked
the universe to themselves.
1019
00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,238
I knew some people
who would read The X-Men
1020
00:44:36,282 --> 00:44:37,936
and wouldn't read
other comic books.
1021
00:44:37,979 --> 00:44:39,807
They were totally immersed
in the X-Men.
1022
00:44:39,851 --> 00:44:41,766
It was like punk rock fans.
1023
00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:43,115
We only to listen to punk.
1024
00:44:43,158 --> 00:44:45,160
We're not going
to listen to anything else.
1025
00:44:45,204 --> 00:44:48,163
The X-Men had that kind
of effect on comic books.
1026
00:44:48,207 --> 00:44:50,078
[NARRATOR] An X-Men film
had been in development
1027
00:44:50,122 --> 00:44:51,689
since the early 90s,
1028
00:44:51,732 --> 00:44:53,821
when Terminator
director James Cameron
1029
00:44:53,865 --> 00:44:55,388
was linked to
the project,
1030
00:44:55,431 --> 00:44:57,303
and although
20th Century Fox
1031
00:44:57,346 --> 00:44:59,871
had obtained the rights
in 1994,
1032
00:44:59,914 --> 00:45:01,350
they were unable to see
1033
00:45:01,394 --> 00:45:03,788
the true value
of their acquisition.
1034
00:45:03,831 --> 00:45:06,573
[CHRIS CLAREMONT] Fox couldn't
get a handle on the concept.
1035
00:45:06,616 --> 00:45:08,053
So I ended up writing
a memo
1036
00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:10,751
to explain to them
who are the X-Men,
1037
00:45:10,795 --> 00:45:12,971
what makes it different.
1038
00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:17,236
What I said was, this is not
a story about superheroes.
1039
00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:20,413
It is about trying to make
a place for yourself
1040
00:45:20,456 --> 00:45:23,546
in a world that
frankly doesn't want you.
1041
00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:26,549
And you have to
prove to them
1042
00:45:26,593 --> 00:45:29,422
we have value,
we have a right to be here.
1043
00:45:29,465 --> 00:45:32,512
With The X-Men,
it became mostly a story
1044
00:45:32,555 --> 00:45:36,429
about immigrants
coming to America
1045
00:45:36,472 --> 00:45:38,518
and trying to fit in.
1046
00:45:38,561 --> 00:45:40,955
I have here a list of names
1047
00:45:40,999 --> 00:45:42,609
of identified mutants
1048
00:45:42,652 --> 00:45:44,916
living right here
in the United States.
1049
00:45:44,959 --> 00:45:47,440
- Senator Kelly.
- Now here's a girl in Illinois,
1050
00:45:47,483 --> 00:45:49,268
who can walk through walls.
1051
00:45:49,311 --> 00:45:52,140
Now, what's to stop her
from walking into a bank vault?
1052
00:45:52,184 --> 00:45:55,100
or into the White House
or into their houses?
1053
00:45:55,143 --> 00:45:57,450
- Senator Kelly!
- There are even rumors,
1054
00:45:57,493 --> 00:45:59,800
Ms. Grey,
of mutants so powerful
1055
00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:03,412
that they can enter our minds
and control our thoughts,
1056
00:46:03,456 --> 00:46:06,067
taking away
our God-given free will.
1057
00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:09,244
I think the American people
deserve the right to decide
1058
00:46:09,288 --> 00:46:12,770
whether they want their children
to be at school with mutants,
1059
00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:14,249
to be taught by mutants.
1060
00:46:14,293 --> 00:46:15,903
[APPLAUSE]
1061
00:46:15,947 --> 00:46:18,079
[CHRIS CLAREMONT] That is
a more easily embraceable
1062
00:46:18,123 --> 00:46:20,342
or relatable concept
1063
00:46:20,386 --> 00:46:23,258
and unfortunately
more real than,
1064
00:46:23,302 --> 00:46:25,347
it's the adventures
of a billionaire
1065
00:46:25,391 --> 00:46:28,568
who wants to fight crime.
1066
00:46:28,611 --> 00:46:31,049
[NARRATOR] With acclaimed
young director Bryan Singer
1067
00:46:31,092 --> 00:46:32,398
calling the shots,
1068
00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:34,922
anticipation
for the movie ran high,
1069
00:46:34,966 --> 00:46:37,664
yet as withBatman
a decade beforehand,
1070
00:46:37,707 --> 00:46:39,274
fans were anxious
1071
00:46:39,318 --> 00:46:41,363
regarding the casting
of their favorite character,
1072
00:46:41,407 --> 00:46:44,323
the violent
anti-hero Wolverine.
1073
00:46:44,366 --> 00:46:47,326
Initially Dougray Scott
was cast in the role,
1074
00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:49,110
but was forced
to back out,
1075
00:46:49,154 --> 00:46:51,417
and Singer returned
to his original choice,
1076
00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:53,114
Russell Crowe.
1077
00:46:53,158 --> 00:46:56,509
Crowe too was unavailable,
but he suggested his friend
1078
00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:59,729
and fellow Australian,
Hugh Jackman, for the part,
1079
00:46:59,773 --> 00:47:02,994
an actor most known for
his work in musical theatre.
1080
00:47:03,037 --> 00:47:07,172
And like Michael Keaton, he
proved an inspired choice.
1081
00:47:07,215 --> 00:47:08,695
[SCOTT BEATTY]
I think the success
1082
00:47:08,738 --> 00:47:10,349
of the X-Men films
hinged on
1083
00:47:10,392 --> 00:47:12,090
the perfect casting
of Wolverine.
1084
00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:14,440
There is no character
probably more beloved
1085
00:47:14,483 --> 00:47:16,094
in the Marvel universe,
1086
00:47:16,137 --> 00:47:18,226
a character whose origins
were shrouded in mystery
1087
00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:19,532
for the longest time.
1088
00:47:19,575 --> 00:47:21,360
That film lived and died
1089
00:47:21,403 --> 00:47:23,492
on Hugh Jackman
playing Wolverine
1090
00:47:23,536 --> 00:47:26,321
in a way that fans
could get behind.
1091
00:47:27,801 --> 00:47:30,282
Come on, buddy.
This isn't going to work.
1092
00:47:30,325 --> 00:47:32,197
- I know what you are.
- You lost your money.
1093
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,852
You keep this up,
you lose something else.
1094
00:47:37,071 --> 00:47:38,246
Look out!
1095
00:47:45,775 --> 00:47:47,255
[JEFFREY HENDERSON] Wolverine
would not be part
1096
00:47:47,299 --> 00:47:49,257
of the pop culture landscape
without Jackman.
1097
00:47:49,301 --> 00:47:52,217
The two are intrinsically
tied to each other.
1098
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:54,393
None of those movies
would work without him.
1099
00:47:54,436 --> 00:47:56,699
He's so naturally charismatic
1100
00:47:56,743 --> 00:47:58,701
and he's handsome
without being pretty
1101
00:47:58,745 --> 00:48:01,487
and he's manly
without being brutish
1102
00:48:01,530 --> 00:48:03,445
and he sells
the savagery of it.
1103
00:48:07,145 --> 00:48:08,973
They built
this whole franchise
1104
00:48:09,016 --> 00:48:11,279
and this whole ensemble
around him.
1105
00:48:11,323 --> 00:48:13,629
He was this unknown Aussie guy
that came in from nowhere
1106
00:48:13,673 --> 00:48:16,894
to replace somebody
and he made the whole thing.
1107
00:48:16,937 --> 00:48:18,808
[NARRATOR] Like Richard
Donner'sSuperman,
1108
00:48:18,852 --> 00:48:21,681
director Singer assembled
an ensemble cast,
1109
00:48:21,724 --> 00:48:23,030
including British
heavyweights
1110
00:48:23,074 --> 00:48:25,076
Patrick Stewart
and Ian McKellen
1111
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,208
and rising star
Halle Berry.
1112
00:48:27,252 --> 00:48:29,080
And in keeping
with the comic book,
1113
00:48:29,123 --> 00:48:31,952
the film brought a realistic,
dramatic weight
1114
00:48:31,996 --> 00:48:34,476
to its fantastical
premise.
1115
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,697
The ambition of X-Men
declared itself immediately.
1116
00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:40,613
The movie opens in
a Nazi concentration camp
1117
00:48:40,656 --> 00:48:43,224
with a family being marched
to their death.
1118
00:48:43,268 --> 00:48:46,662
This was not Ned Beatty
making jokes in Metropolis
1119
00:48:46,706 --> 00:48:49,404
This was not Jack Nicholson
mugging for the camera.
1120
00:48:49,448 --> 00:48:50,928
This was saying,
1121
00:48:50,971 --> 00:48:53,060
"We're going
into the real world.
1122
00:48:53,104 --> 00:48:55,628
We're bringing
the real world into this."
1123
00:49:00,850 --> 00:49:02,461
[ANGUISHED SCREAM]
1124
00:49:20,348 --> 00:49:21,915
[SCOTT MENDELSON] The film
opened with $55 million
1125
00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:23,438
opening the weekend.
1126
00:49:23,482 --> 00:49:25,963
That was the fifth biggest
opening of all time
1127
00:49:26,006 --> 00:49:29,096
and it was the biggest opening
weekend ever for a non-sequel.
1128
00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:33,318
Because Bryan Singer didn't have
a gazillion dollars
1129
00:49:33,361 --> 00:49:36,103
he had to put the emphasis
on the drama
1130
00:49:36,147 --> 00:49:38,888
and the characters
and the storytelling.
1131
00:49:38,932 --> 00:49:42,327
That's why that film still holds
up, not as an action movie,
1132
00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:43,545
'cause there's
very little action in it,
1133
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:46,287
but it still works
as a character drama.
1134
00:49:49,682 --> 00:49:52,554
Are you sneaking around
in here, Charles?
1135
00:49:52,598 --> 00:49:54,252
Whatever are you looking for?
1136
00:50:02,129 --> 00:50:04,044
I'm looking for hope.
1137
00:50:05,654 --> 00:50:09,049
I will bring you hope,
old friend.
1138
00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:10,964
And I ask
only one thing in return.
1139
00:50:14,098 --> 00:50:16,100
Don't get in my way.
1140
00:50:16,143 --> 00:50:17,579
[ROSIE FLETCHER] It's a
much more grown up film
1141
00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:19,668
than its predecessors,
in many ways
1142
00:50:19,712 --> 00:50:22,541
partly because it tackles
big political issues.
1143
00:50:22,584 --> 00:50:25,413
I think it deliberately
positioned itself
1144
00:50:25,457 --> 00:50:28,112
as not a film just for children,
1145
00:50:28,155 --> 00:50:30,070
not a film just for fans.
1146
00:50:30,114 --> 00:50:31,941
Something that is
an origin story,
1147
00:50:31,985 --> 00:50:33,682
so you don't have
to have read the comics.
1148
00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:35,119
But if you have read the comics
1149
00:50:35,162 --> 00:50:36,859
then you get all the joy
1150
00:50:36,903 --> 00:50:39,732
and delight of seeing
all these people realized.
1151
00:50:39,775 --> 00:50:42,082
Particularly post-Matrix,
the choice of the costumes
1152
00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:43,649
was very interesting.
1153
00:50:43,692 --> 00:50:46,173
So they don't go with
the yellow Wolverine suit.
1154
00:50:46,217 --> 00:50:48,219
Everyone's wearing leather,
everyone looks cool.
1155
00:50:48,262 --> 00:50:50,177
And again it was a cool film.
1156
00:50:50,221 --> 00:50:51,787
[JENNA BUSCH] There were
a lot of women in it.
1157
00:50:51,831 --> 00:50:54,138
WhenX-Men
came out as a film
1158
00:50:54,181 --> 00:50:57,054
and you had this sort
of 50-50 cast,
1159
00:50:57,097 --> 00:50:58,707
not only were you
bringing in the guys
1160
00:50:58,751 --> 00:51:00,231
that were going
to see it anyway.
1161
00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:03,103
You had a lot of women
who wanted to go and see it too
1162
00:51:03,147 --> 00:51:05,236
because, hey, I want to go
see kick ass chicks.
1163
00:51:05,279 --> 00:51:07,368
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
1164
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,556
It was such
a huge thrill to see that.
1165
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,080
I know for a lot of people
1166
00:51:23,123 --> 00:51:26,126
seeing Batman on
the big screen was a big deal.
1167
00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:28,389
But for me it was X-Men.
1168
00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:30,957
It was seeing
all of these women fighting.
1169
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,481
I loved that.
1170
00:51:33,525 --> 00:51:35,744
[NARRATOR] After its first
faltering steps,
1171
00:51:35,788 --> 00:51:37,268
in the wake of X-Men
1172
00:51:37,311 --> 00:51:40,140
the superhero blockbuster
was up and running.
1173
00:51:40,184 --> 00:51:43,230
Comic books were suddenly
a popular source material
1174
00:51:43,274 --> 00:51:45,014
for a whole
range of films,
1175
00:51:45,058 --> 00:51:46,886
and in the new millennium
acclaimed works
1176
00:51:46,929 --> 00:51:48,757
such asGhost World
1177
00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:50,716
and the Oscar-winning
Road to Perdition
1178
00:51:50,759 --> 00:51:52,196
took non-fantasy comics
1179
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,502
and turned them
into serious cinema.
1180
00:51:56,765 --> 00:51:59,899
In early 2002,
the secondBlade film opened
1181
00:51:59,942 --> 00:52:01,553
and became
another commercial
1182
00:52:01,596 --> 00:52:03,250
and critical success,
1183
00:52:03,294 --> 00:52:07,646
yet all eyes were focused
on the Summer's big release.
1184
00:52:07,689 --> 00:52:09,126
After a short-lived
TV series
1185
00:52:09,169 --> 00:52:11,650
and several
successful cartoons,
1186
00:52:11,693 --> 00:52:13,913
Marvel's most
well-known character
1187
00:52:13,956 --> 00:52:17,438
was making his way
to the big screen...
1188
00:52:17,482 --> 00:52:18,787
[LAURENCE MASLON]
The Amazing Spider-man was
1189
00:52:18,831 --> 00:52:20,180
one of the most
amazing creations
1190
00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:22,008
in comic book history.
1191
00:52:22,051 --> 00:52:26,839
Stan Lee and Steve Ditko
put together all the great parts
1192
00:52:26,882 --> 00:52:28,319
of superheroes.
1193
00:52:28,362 --> 00:52:31,148
They took a kid like Robin.
1194
00:52:31,191 --> 00:52:34,194
They took a family tragedy
like Batman.
1195
00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:36,283
And they took an alter-ego
like Superman.
1196
00:52:36,327 --> 00:52:38,111
And they put it all together.
1197
00:52:38,155 --> 00:52:40,461
And it just
absolutely caught fire
1198
00:52:40,505 --> 00:52:43,247
because Spider-Man was the
first comic book hero
1199
00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:47,425
with any gravitas
who represented the readers.
1200
00:52:47,468 --> 00:52:48,730
The problem
with Spider-Man
1201
00:52:48,774 --> 00:52:51,777
from a mass
entertainment point of view
1202
00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:54,954
is you could do a couple
of cartoons of him swinging
1203
00:52:54,997 --> 00:52:57,217
but he had these powers.
He was acrobatic.
1204
00:52:57,261 --> 00:53:00,177
He jumped around.
He shot his web shooters.
1205
00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:03,005
And there was a terrible
television show in the 70s
1206
00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:07,619
and basically the problem was
the technology was so poor.
1207
00:53:07,662 --> 00:53:11,623
until the magical creation
of something called CGI.
1208
00:53:11,666 --> 00:53:15,496
More than anything,
that's what bailed Marvel out -
1209
00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:19,457
the ability to portray
their characters on film
1210
00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:21,981
in a way that looked
credible and exciting
1211
00:53:22,024 --> 00:53:24,636
and would bring audiences
into the multiplex.
1212
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:26,203
Look, up there!
1213
00:53:26,246 --> 00:53:28,292
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
1214
00:53:33,384 --> 00:53:34,950
Save my baby, please!
1215
00:53:37,823 --> 00:53:40,608
I sit there on opening night,
and I'm thinking,
1216
00:53:40,652 --> 00:53:44,308
this feels unreal, after all
these years reading about it.
1217
00:53:44,351 --> 00:53:47,485
Like, I'm actually watching
a Spider-Man movie!
1218
00:53:47,528 --> 00:53:49,269
[EMMA LOGGINS] Seeing
Spider-Man swinging
1219
00:53:49,313 --> 00:53:50,836
across the screen
for the first time
1220
00:53:50,879 --> 00:53:53,969
had as much of an impact
on audiences
1221
00:53:54,013 --> 00:53:56,145
as seeing Christopher Reeve
fly as Superman
1222
00:53:56,189 --> 00:53:57,625
for the first time.
1223
00:53:57,669 --> 00:54:01,934
It was such an important moment
for fans of the comics.
1224
00:54:01,977 --> 00:54:04,371
[NARRATOR] And those fans were
secure in the knowledge that,
1225
00:54:04,415 --> 00:54:05,981
for the first time,
1226
00:54:06,025 --> 00:54:07,766
a film adaptation
was in the creative hands
1227
00:54:07,809 --> 00:54:12,161
of one of their own -
director Sam Raimi.
1228
00:54:12,205 --> 00:54:14,686
[JEFFREY HENDERSON] I've a
long history with Sam Raimi.
1229
00:54:14,729 --> 00:54:18,298
I think he's the perfect
director for Spider-Man.
1230
00:54:18,342 --> 00:54:21,823
The main thing with Sam is
he loves making movies.
1231
00:54:21,867 --> 00:54:23,521
And he loves Spider-Man.
1232
00:54:23,564 --> 00:54:25,871
He's a huge Spider-Man geek.
1233
00:54:25,914 --> 00:54:27,307
He's a huge comic geek.
1234
00:54:27,351 --> 00:54:31,355
Spider-Man, I know he loves it.
1235
00:54:31,398 --> 00:54:33,879
[GEOFF BOUCHER]
He came to that project
1236
00:54:33,922 --> 00:54:36,316
with a spirit that
had not been seen before
1237
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,710
by a filmmaker
adapting a comic book.
1238
00:54:38,753 --> 00:54:42,583
As much as Richard Donner
succeeded with Superman,
1239
00:54:42,627 --> 00:54:44,759
he didn't grow up
immersed in Superman
1240
00:54:44,803 --> 00:54:46,152
the way Sam Raimi grew up
1241
00:54:46,195 --> 00:54:48,154
immersed in the stories
of Stan Lee
1242
00:54:48,197 --> 00:54:49,895
and Steve Ditko and John Romita.
1243
00:54:49,938 --> 00:54:52,376
This is a guy that knew
what mattered in Spider-Man
1244
00:54:52,419 --> 00:54:54,943
when he made his choices
for the film.
1245
00:54:54,987 --> 00:54:58,077
They weren't processed
through a Hollywood filter.
1246
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,557
[SCOTT BEATTY]
I think Sam Raimi is
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00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,254
the perfect choice
to direct Spider-Man.
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00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:02,516
If you look
at his body of work
1249
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,301
from "Army of Darkness"
to the Evil Dead films,
1250
00:55:04,344 --> 00:55:07,086
he's the kind of guy
who appreciates the fun
1251
00:55:07,129 --> 00:55:09,784
in Spider-Man,
the fun in comics.
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00:55:09,828 --> 00:55:11,482
We look at them
with this gravitas
1253
00:55:11,525 --> 00:55:13,310
because they are heroes
and they protect us
1254
00:55:13,353 --> 00:55:14,920
from world changing events.
1255
00:55:14,963 --> 00:55:17,792
But there is something
inherently fun and exhilarating
1256
00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:20,186
about swinging through
the canyons of New York City
1257
00:55:20,229 --> 00:55:24,669
with a spider line
and just being a hero.
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00:55:26,323 --> 00:55:27,715
[NARRATOR] And in the
role of this hero,
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00:55:27,759 --> 00:55:30,283
Sam Raimi turned down
the studio's choice,
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00:55:30,327 --> 00:55:33,460
Freddie Prinz Jr.
in favor of Tobey Maguire,
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00:55:33,504 --> 00:55:35,897
an actor
who had won critical acclaim
1262
00:55:35,941 --> 00:55:37,595
in dramas Pleasantville,
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00:55:37,638 --> 00:55:39,771
The Ice Storm
and Wonder Boys.
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00:55:39,814 --> 00:55:41,381
[BRADFORD WRIGHT]
Marvel had a lot riding
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00:55:41,425 --> 00:55:43,078
on that first
Spider-Man movie.
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00:55:43,122 --> 00:55:47,518
So it was extremely important
who was cast as Spider-Man,
1267
00:55:47,561 --> 00:55:50,738
Peter Parker, and who was
chosen as director.
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00:55:50,782 --> 00:55:54,002
I think the choice
of Tobey Maguire was perfect.
1269
00:56:06,798 --> 00:56:07,929
[KNOCKING]
1270
00:56:07,973 --> 00:56:10,323
Peter!
1271
00:56:10,367 --> 00:56:12,978
What's going on in there?
1272
00:56:13,021 --> 00:56:15,067
I'm exercising.
I'm not dressed, Aunt May.
1273
00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:18,505
Well, you're acting
so strangely, Peter.
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00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,856
OK, thanks.
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00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:23,641
He was Peter Parker.
1276
00:56:23,684 --> 00:56:25,164
He had the voice
and the look.
1277
00:56:25,207 --> 00:56:28,123
That's what I always imagined
Peter Parker to be.
1278
00:56:28,167 --> 00:56:28,994
It's perfect.
1279
00:56:29,037 --> 00:56:30,778
The film was the right movie
1280
00:56:30,822 --> 00:56:32,650
at the right place
at the right time.
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00:56:32,693 --> 00:56:34,913
It was good.
1282
00:56:34,956 --> 00:56:37,263
It was a character
driven drama.
1283
00:56:37,306 --> 00:56:41,354
It was focused on Peter Parker
and his journey,
1284
00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,878
his grief over the death
of his Uncle Ben,
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00:56:43,922 --> 00:56:47,012
his struggle to get
through high school, college,
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00:56:47,055 --> 00:56:49,318
and eventually balance all that
with being Spider-Man,
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00:56:49,362 --> 00:56:52,321
his unrequited love story
with Mary Jane.
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00:56:52,365 --> 00:56:55,412
Like Batman,
it showed that a film
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00:56:55,455 --> 00:56:58,023
based on a well-known
beloved comic book character
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00:56:58,066 --> 00:57:00,982
could blow away
all the old box office records.
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00:57:01,026 --> 00:57:04,464
[NARRATOR] The first film ever
to make over $100 million
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00:57:04,508 --> 00:57:06,335
in its opening weekend,
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00:57:06,379 --> 00:57:08,773
Spider-Man
was further proof that,
1294
00:57:08,816 --> 00:57:12,429
if done right, superheroes
were box office gold.
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00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:14,082
And for
the comic book industry,
1296
00:57:14,126 --> 00:57:16,694
these blockbusters were now
bringing their characters
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00:57:16,737 --> 00:57:18,913
to an enormous
global audience.
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00:57:18,957 --> 00:57:21,960
[CHUCK DIXON] Television has
exposed people to characters
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00:57:22,003 --> 00:57:24,919
they had no idea
of what they were about.
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00:57:24,963 --> 00:57:26,573
Maybe they knew who they were,
1301
00:57:26,617 --> 00:57:28,749
but until they see the movie
they don't understand them.
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00:57:28,793 --> 00:57:30,838
I remember seeing
the first Spider-Man movie
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00:57:30,882 --> 00:57:32,492
the first Sam Raimi
Spider-Man movie.
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00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:36,148
And when Uncle Ben dies
the audience is all torn up.
1305
00:57:36,191 --> 00:57:38,106
- Stay back, stay back!
- That's my uncle!
1306
00:57:39,978 --> 00:57:42,894
- What happened?
- Car jacker. He's been shot.
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00:57:42,937 --> 00:57:45,418
We just called the paramedics.
They're on their way.
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00:57:45,462 --> 00:57:46,985
Stay back!
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00:57:47,028 --> 00:57:48,769
Uncle Ben.
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00:57:48,813 --> 00:57:51,250
I've known this story
since I was ten years old.
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00:57:51,293 --> 00:57:53,470
It obviously affected me
when I read it.
1312
00:57:53,513 --> 00:57:56,255
But I never thought about it
on a wider audience.
1313
00:57:56,298 --> 00:57:59,824
When Uncle Ben dies,
the audience is devastated.
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00:58:00,694 --> 00:58:02,522
Whoa!
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00:58:02,566 --> 00:58:05,307
Here's where things change.
1316
00:58:05,351 --> 00:58:08,136
When you stay with the core
of a comical creation
1317
00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:11,749
that I loved
and millions of others loved,
1318
00:58:11,792 --> 00:58:13,577
translate that to film properly
1319
00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:15,535
you're going to make some money.
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00:58:15,579 --> 00:58:17,363
[NARRATOR] Aware of
the potential profits,
1321
00:58:17,406 --> 00:58:20,714
the Hollywood machine
now went into overdrive.
1322
00:58:20,758 --> 00:58:24,762
In the summer of 2003,
The Hulk was released,
1323
00:58:24,805 --> 00:58:26,894
and withThe Fantastic
Four and Daredevil film
1324
00:58:26,938 --> 00:58:28,374
already in production,
1325
00:58:28,417 --> 00:58:31,333
only six years
after facing bankruptcy,
1326
00:58:31,377 --> 00:58:34,641
Stan Lee's creations were now
the most in-demand properties
1327
00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:36,164
in the entertainment
business.
1328
00:58:37,862 --> 00:58:42,170
The filmmakers suddenly realized
there's a market
1329
00:58:42,214 --> 00:58:44,869
for films
that are bigger than life
1330
00:58:44,912 --> 00:58:46,827
with colorful heroes
1331
00:58:46,871 --> 00:58:49,177
with wonderful special effects
1332
00:58:49,221 --> 00:58:52,180
and obviously where can you
get better things than that
1333
00:58:52,224 --> 00:58:55,183
than in comics,
especially in Marvel Comics.
1334
00:58:59,057 --> 00:59:00,406
[LAURENCE MASLON]
The Hulk was
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00:59:00,449 --> 00:59:03,104
the second
Marvel Comics creation
1336
00:59:03,148 --> 00:59:05,803
between Stan Lee
and Jack Kirby in the 60s.
1337
00:59:05,846 --> 00:59:08,501
Again, in terms of archetypes,
who is he?
1338
00:59:08,545 --> 00:59:10,764
He is Frankenstein,
1339
00:59:10,808 --> 00:59:12,810
with Jekyll and Hyde
kind of mixed in.
1340
00:59:12,853 --> 00:59:15,943
The skinny doctor who gets
bombarded by gamma rays
1341
00:59:15,987 --> 00:59:17,989
and turns into
this hulking brute
1342
00:59:18,032 --> 00:59:21,166
and he has no interest
in defending civil liberty
1343
00:59:21,209 --> 00:59:23,168
or civil virtues or America
in any way.
1344
00:59:23,211 --> 00:59:24,865
He's utterly out for himself.
1345
00:59:24,909 --> 00:59:26,127
[EERIE MUSIC]
1346
00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:31,698
[BRADFORD WRIGHT]
The Incredible Hulk
1347
00:59:31,742 --> 00:59:33,613
was Marvel's first
big television success
1348
00:59:33,657 --> 00:59:36,137
in the late 70s and early 80s.
1349
00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:41,490
It was well-acted and it took
the same sort of theme
1350
00:59:41,534 --> 00:59:44,189
as The Fugitive,
the 60s TV show,
1351
00:59:44,232 --> 00:59:46,583
and there was
a tragic theme about it
1352
00:59:46,626 --> 00:59:48,628
which I think was true
to the comic book.
1353
00:59:48,672 --> 00:59:51,152
He was a different kind
of superhero -
1354
00:59:51,196 --> 00:59:54,503
somebody who didn't want
the powers that he had.
1355
00:59:54,547 --> 00:59:57,158
And the TV show,
even though, comic book fans
1356
00:59:57,202 --> 00:59:59,160
had a lot to
quibble with,
1357
00:59:59,204 --> 01:00:01,467
I think it was very successful
for its medium for its time.
1358
01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:03,774
But translating The Hulk
into the big screen
1359
01:00:03,817 --> 01:00:05,602
of course you wanted
more than that.
1360
01:00:05,645 --> 01:00:08,605
Now you could have a bigger
Hulk, a much stronger Hulk,
1361
01:00:08,648 --> 01:00:10,607
truer to the comic books.
1362
01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:12,826
[NARRATOR] But being true
to the comic books
1363
01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:14,393
wasn't the primary
intention
1364
01:00:14,436 --> 01:00:17,396
for the creative team
behind 2003's Hulk.
1365
01:00:17,439 --> 01:00:20,268
Award-winning
Taiwanese filmmaker Ang Lee
1366
01:00:20,312 --> 01:00:21,835
was the most
critically acclaimed
1367
01:00:21,879 --> 01:00:24,011
and internationally
celebrated director
1368
01:00:24,055 --> 01:00:26,361
ever to take on
a superhero adaptation.
1369
01:00:26,405 --> 01:00:30,148
His film was more interested
in psychology than action,
1370
01:00:30,191 --> 01:00:32,280
its script steeped
in allusions
1371
01:00:32,324 --> 01:00:34,979
to literary classics
and mythology.
1372
01:00:35,022 --> 01:00:38,460
I loved Hulkin 2003.
I loved it.
1373
01:00:38,504 --> 01:00:41,246
If I hadn't wanted
to go see the film
1374
01:00:41,289 --> 01:00:43,901
because I watched the TV show,
which I did,
1375
01:00:43,944 --> 01:00:45,467
so I already loved Hulk,
1376
01:00:45,511 --> 01:00:47,426
I would have gone
because of the director.
1377
01:00:47,469 --> 01:00:50,211
At that point,
it was pretty obvious
1378
01:00:50,255 --> 01:00:52,561
that comic book films
were going to keep going.
1379
01:00:52,605 --> 01:00:55,173
And so I think it was
a really interesting choice
1380
01:00:55,216 --> 01:00:57,523
to take a director
like Ang Lee and say,
1381
01:00:57,566 --> 01:01:00,831
"Here is a big, green guy
who wears purple pants.
1382
01:01:00,874 --> 01:01:02,049
Do what you want with him."
1383
01:01:02,093 --> 01:01:04,095
The gamma's too high.
1384
01:01:04,138 --> 01:01:05,923
Bruce, I can't stop it.
1385
01:01:05,966 --> 01:01:07,794
[WHIRRING]
1386
01:01:08,969 --> 01:01:10,667
Harper, get out!
1387
01:01:11,493 --> 01:01:13,104
Get out!
1388
01:01:23,375 --> 01:01:25,290
[JENNA BUSCH] The idea of
somebody like Tim Burton
1389
01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:27,727
doing a comic book film
made sense to people.
1390
01:01:27,771 --> 01:01:29,990
Ang Lee. You're like,
wait, what now?
1391
01:01:30,034 --> 01:01:31,688
But I think that
sort of gave
1392
01:01:31,731 --> 01:01:34,647
a little more of a footing
to comic book movies
1393
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,171
for people who might have
dismissed them as kids' stuff.
1394
01:01:37,215 --> 01:01:39,086
[GENTLE MUSIC]
1395
01:01:49,575 --> 01:01:52,012
[SCOTT MENDELSON] The Hulk is
very much an Ang Lee picture.
1396
01:01:52,056 --> 01:01:54,754
But it's also super duper
comic booky visually
1397
01:01:54,798 --> 01:01:57,670
in terms of the use of panels
as editing devices,
1398
01:01:57,714 --> 01:02:00,064
the really bright
primary colors,
1399
01:02:00,107 --> 01:02:02,719
the unapologetic
larger-than-life action.
1400
01:02:05,286 --> 01:02:07,201
[RAPID GUNFIRE]
1401
01:02:12,598 --> 01:02:13,686
No!
1402
01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:15,296
[GROWL]
1403
01:02:27,439 --> 01:02:29,702
But it was a flop.
1404
01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:32,531
I think that was
another case of audiences
1405
01:02:32,574 --> 01:02:35,273
not embracing
a very arthouse drama
1406
01:02:35,316 --> 01:02:37,536
that was disguised
as a comic book movie.
1407
01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:41,105
And I think again,
like withBatman Returns,
1408
01:02:41,148 --> 01:02:43,542
the lesson that Hollywood
took from that is like
1409
01:02:43,585 --> 01:02:45,326
bring in great directors
1410
01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:49,200
but don't let them
go completely crazy.
1411
01:02:49,243 --> 01:02:51,071
[NARRATOR] Its ambition
was commendable
1412
01:02:51,115 --> 01:02:53,857
when compared to the rash
of films that followed.
1413
01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:56,076
With the Ben Affleck
vehicle Daredevil,
1414
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,818
the second big screen
outing ofThe Punisher
1415
01:02:58,862 --> 01:03:01,473
and a tepid,
family-friendly Fantastic Four,
1416
01:03:01,516 --> 01:03:04,868
the run of Marvel-based hits
came to an end,
1417
01:03:04,911 --> 01:03:07,174
whereas theCatwoman
solo feature film
1418
01:03:07,218 --> 01:03:09,611
starring Halle Berry
quickly made its way
1419
01:03:09,655 --> 01:03:12,179
into worst-film-
of-all-time lists.
1420
01:03:12,223 --> 01:03:15,792
Yet sequels kept
the superhero flag flying,
1421
01:03:15,835 --> 01:03:19,491
with Sam Raimi's Spider-Man
2 and Bryan Singer's X2
1422
01:03:19,534 --> 01:03:22,494
hailed as amongst
the very best of the genre.
1423
01:03:22,537 --> 01:03:24,801
[MATT MAYTUM] Spider-Man 2
is widely considered
1424
01:03:24,844 --> 01:03:26,193
one of the
greatest sequels,
1425
01:03:26,237 --> 01:03:27,804
especially
in superhero movies.
1426
01:03:27,847 --> 01:03:30,763
The special effects had moved on
that bit more again.
1427
01:03:30,807 --> 01:03:32,765
Even in just
those couple of years
1428
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:34,680
between films
they're developing,
1429
01:03:34,723 --> 01:03:36,856
they're getting
that bit more weight to them.
1430
01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:39,641
And they are just pushing
what they can do with them.
1431
01:03:39,685 --> 01:03:41,992
Particularly with
the Dr. Octopus character
1432
01:03:42,035 --> 01:03:44,646
and all these kind
of extendable limbs.
1433
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:47,084
It has some of the
stand-out set pieces still
1434
01:03:47,127 --> 01:03:50,478
in terms of superior cinema,
from that fight on the train
1435
01:03:50,522 --> 01:03:53,220
and when they're fighting
on the side of the building.
1436
01:03:53,264 --> 01:03:55,396
It just gets that stuff
so right.
1437
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,529
It's just hugely entertaining.
1438
01:03:57,572 --> 01:04:00,314
[SCOTT MENDELSON] In terms of
being faithful to the source,
1439
01:04:00,358 --> 01:04:04,536
X2 was probably the high
watermark at that time
1440
01:04:04,579 --> 01:04:07,234
for basically
a comic book come to life.
1441
01:04:07,278 --> 01:04:11,325
X2 feels like a trade
paperback all in one sitting.
1442
01:04:11,369 --> 01:04:14,285
The first 50 minutes of X2,
the first act, I still think
1443
01:04:14,328 --> 01:04:16,809
is some of the best
comic book cinema ever made.
1444
01:04:18,245 --> 01:04:19,246
[GUNSHOTS]
1445
01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:21,945
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
1446
01:04:27,211 --> 01:04:30,518
Don't shoot!
1447
01:04:30,562 --> 01:04:32,477
[ROSIE FLETCHER] It gets
even more political in X2
1448
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:33,870
and it gets darker.
1449
01:04:33,913 --> 01:04:35,219
Nightcrawler
was a fantastic character
1450
01:04:35,262 --> 01:04:38,048
and his early sequences
in the White House,
1451
01:04:38,091 --> 01:04:40,789
absolutely showcases CGI -
were very funny, very cool.
1452
01:04:40,833 --> 01:04:43,357
And actually really not like
things we had seen before.
1453
01:04:43,401 --> 01:04:45,707
[SCOTT MENDELSON] X2 was
the one that showed
1454
01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:47,361
they really can
do everything.
1455
01:04:47,405 --> 01:04:49,581
They were just using
their powers all the time
1456
01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:51,104
without giving it
a second thought.
1457
01:04:51,148 --> 01:04:53,193
And not only are the
special effects terrific,
1458
01:04:53,237 --> 01:04:55,543
they feel seamless.
They feel like...
1459
01:04:55,587 --> 01:04:57,937
...they're unstrained
in a narrative sense.
1460
01:04:57,981 --> 01:05:00,505
And that's why I'm thinking
they're going "wow".
1461
01:05:00,548 --> 01:05:02,724
This is it. We've done it.
1462
01:05:02,768 --> 01:05:04,465
[NARRATOR] And as
advances in technology
1463
01:05:04,509 --> 01:05:07,077
helped transport superheroes
to the big screen,
1464
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:08,730
they also helped bring
1465
01:05:08,774 --> 01:05:11,081
comic book aficionados
closer together.
1466
01:05:11,124 --> 01:05:13,779
Where the only forum
for readers
1467
01:05:13,822 --> 01:05:15,694
had previously been
letters pages
1468
01:05:15,737 --> 01:05:17,565
and the comic book
store itself,
1469
01:05:17,609 --> 01:05:19,741
with the coming
of the digital age,
1470
01:05:19,785 --> 01:05:23,049
once isolated fans
embraced the Internet
1471
01:05:23,093 --> 01:05:27,010
and reached out to others
who shared their passion.
1472
01:05:27,053 --> 01:05:28,576
[BRADFORD WRIGHT] Of course,
the Internet did so much
1473
01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:31,536
to propel and explode
fan culture
1474
01:05:31,579 --> 01:05:35,018
for comic books and all kinds
of fan obsession.
1475
01:05:35,061 --> 01:05:36,584
If you were a fan
of these comic books,
1476
01:05:36,628 --> 01:05:38,543
you felt kind of alone.
1477
01:05:38,586 --> 01:05:41,241
You know are there
other people out there
1478
01:05:41,285 --> 01:05:44,375
other than just a handful
of friends who are into this.
1479
01:05:44,418 --> 01:05:47,334
What the Internet did
with the message boards,
1480
01:05:47,378 --> 01:05:51,164
now it creates this broad
international community
1481
01:05:51,208 --> 01:05:53,993
where you can comment on
every comic book or superhero.
1482
01:05:54,037 --> 01:05:56,082
You can actually help
to shape the comic books
1483
01:05:56,126 --> 01:05:58,345
because the writers,
the artists,
1484
01:05:58,389 --> 01:06:00,173
would hear about
this too.
1485
01:06:00,217 --> 01:06:04,134
The message board culture
of the late 90s and early 2000s,
1486
01:06:04,177 --> 01:06:07,006
you were able to bridge a gap
1487
01:06:07,050 --> 01:06:09,487
between the fans
and the creatives
1488
01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:12,794
and the artist and the
writers were more accessible.
1489
01:06:12,838 --> 01:06:15,406
You could have conversations
and dialogue with them
1490
01:06:15,449 --> 01:06:17,277
and fans were
able to connect
1491
01:06:17,321 --> 01:06:19,627
and talk about what they loved
or what they didn't love
1492
01:06:19,671 --> 01:06:23,066
about movies or comics
or whatever it may be.
1493
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:24,763
So we started to see,
1494
01:06:24,806 --> 01:06:26,939
due to the Internet
and online communities,
1495
01:06:26,983 --> 01:06:28,593
the explosion
of fan culture
1496
01:06:28,636 --> 01:06:30,203
which ultimately
I think has led
1497
01:06:30,247 --> 01:06:32,118
to there being
as many conventions
1498
01:06:32,162 --> 01:06:34,381
and fan conventions
as there are today.
1499
01:06:34,425 --> 01:06:36,644
Comic book culture has
become more fan culture.
1500
01:06:36,688 --> 01:06:40,909
Just people getting together
and celebrating what they love.
1501
01:06:40,953 --> 01:06:43,173
[NARRATOR] The opening years
of the new millennium
1502
01:06:43,216 --> 01:06:44,957
were notable for
the explosion
1503
01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:46,437
of beloved Marvel
characters
1504
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,092
onto the big screen
for the first time.
1505
01:06:49,135 --> 01:06:51,398
2005, however,
was the year
1506
01:06:51,442 --> 01:06:54,401
in which the Dark Knight
once again returned.
1507
01:06:54,445 --> 01:06:56,229
Looking to wipe
the slate clean
1508
01:06:56,273 --> 01:06:58,362
after the extravagance
and incoherence
1509
01:06:58,405 --> 01:07:01,626
of the Joel Schumacher years,
Warner Brothers turned to
1510
01:07:01,669 --> 01:07:03,671
young, celebrated
British director
1511
01:07:03,715 --> 01:07:06,283
Christopher Nolan
to start the series anew,
1512
01:07:06,326 --> 01:07:09,155
withBatman Begins.
1513
01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:10,591
And in telling
this story,
1514
01:07:10,635 --> 01:07:13,768
the creative team of Nolan
and David S. Goyer,
1515
01:07:13,812 --> 01:07:16,075
the writer behind
theBlade franchise,
1516
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:17,946
looked directly
to the comic books -
1517
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:21,559
in particular Frank Miller's
seminal origin story
1518
01:07:21,602 --> 01:07:23,343
BATMAN: Year One
1519
01:07:23,387 --> 01:07:27,086
and the pioneering output of
Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams
1520
01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:28,957
in the 1970s.
1521
01:07:29,001 --> 01:07:30,568
[LAURENCE MASLON]
Christopher Nolan did
1522
01:07:30,611 --> 01:07:32,439
something rather
remarkable and simple.
1523
01:07:32,483 --> 01:07:34,702
He was the first major filmmaker
1524
01:07:34,746 --> 01:07:38,619
to tell the story of,
as they said in 1940,
1525
01:07:38,663 --> 01:07:42,275
who Batman is
and how he came to be.
1526
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:44,886
It's the first origin film
of Batman.
1527
01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:47,280
Batman's origin
is just tremendous.
1528
01:07:47,324 --> 01:07:49,152
It's so emotional
and so effective
1529
01:07:49,195 --> 01:07:51,110
and so effectively done
by Chris Nolan
1530
01:07:51,154 --> 01:07:53,330
that almost that decision alone
1531
01:07:53,373 --> 01:07:55,201
gave him three quarters
of his movie.
1532
01:07:55,245 --> 01:07:57,334
Chris Nolan
approached these movies
1533
01:07:57,377 --> 01:07:59,858
almost like a John Ford
or Howard Hawks.
1534
01:07:59,901 --> 01:08:03,644
As a single relentless avenger
1535
01:08:03,688 --> 01:08:06,125
trying to find out who he is
and what he's about.
1536
01:08:11,565 --> 01:08:13,306
[WINGS FLAPPING]
1537
01:08:20,966 --> 01:08:22,881
[NEAL ADAMS] The work that
Denny and I had done
1538
01:08:22,924 --> 01:08:25,144
influenced that first movie,
1539
01:08:25,188 --> 01:08:27,146
and you could see it
right on the screen.
1540
01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:30,323
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
1541
01:08:30,367 --> 01:08:33,674
Of the DC movies
that had been made,
1542
01:08:33,718 --> 01:08:35,850
that first of those three,
1543
01:08:35,894 --> 01:08:38,549
just killer,
it's a killer movie.
1544
01:08:38,592 --> 01:08:40,116
[GEOFF BOUCHER] The
achievement ofBatman Begins
1545
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:41,726
can't be underestimated.
1546
01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:43,206
Christopher Nolan's
a brilliant filmmaker.
1547
01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:45,033
Start with that.
1548
01:08:45,077 --> 01:08:47,514
And watch the movie unfold
the way he tells the story.
1549
01:08:47,558 --> 01:08:50,300
The use of practical effects
in camera
1550
01:08:50,343 --> 01:08:53,781
to get away from CGI
whenever possible
1551
01:08:53,825 --> 01:08:56,175
not because
it's a financial issue
1552
01:08:56,219 --> 01:08:57,655
but because
of the aesthetic issues
1553
01:08:57,698 --> 01:09:01,572
and you've got a street level
version of Batman
1554
01:09:01,615 --> 01:09:03,008
that everybody in the world
1555
01:09:03,051 --> 01:09:07,447
except perhaps Joel Schumacher
was ready for.
1556
01:09:07,491 --> 01:09:09,884
[NARRATOR] LikeSuperman
and X-Men before it,
1557
01:09:09,928 --> 01:09:12,191
Batman Begins
featured an abundance
1558
01:09:12,235 --> 01:09:15,151
of acting talent
to portray major roles.
1559
01:09:15,194 --> 01:09:18,154
Alongside acclaimed but
little-known British actor
1560
01:09:18,197 --> 01:09:20,025
Christian Bale
as Bruce Wayne,
1561
01:09:20,068 --> 01:09:23,202
were Liam Neeson,
Michael Caine, Gary Oldman
1562
01:09:23,246 --> 01:09:25,335
and many other
esteemed actors
1563
01:09:25,378 --> 01:09:29,165
in one of the most impressive
ensemble casts ever assembled.
1564
01:09:29,208 --> 01:09:31,906
This leant the film
considerable dramatic weight,
1565
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:33,560
and upon its release,
1566
01:09:33,604 --> 01:09:35,693
it immediately set
a new benchmark
1567
01:09:35,736 --> 01:09:38,130
for superhero cinema.
1568
01:09:38,174 --> 01:09:41,307
Batman Beginsblew my mind
when it came out.
1569
01:09:41,351 --> 01:09:42,874
I knew who Christian Bale was
1570
01:09:42,917 --> 01:09:44,745
so I was excited to see
what he did with it.
1571
01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:46,312
But I had no idea.
1572
01:09:46,356 --> 01:09:48,053
And I knew some Nolan stuff
1573
01:09:48,096 --> 01:09:51,230
But I didn't know
it was going to be that.
1574
01:09:51,274 --> 01:09:54,712
He was so good
and the story was so dark
1575
01:09:54,755 --> 01:09:56,888
and so grounded
in reality.
1576
01:09:56,931 --> 01:09:59,456
That was a whole new thing
for comic book movies.
1577
01:10:03,764 --> 01:10:05,462
A storm's coming.
1578
01:10:10,118 --> 01:10:13,426
The scum is getting jumpy
because you stood up to Falcone.
1579
01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:14,949
It's a start.
1580
01:10:14,993 --> 01:10:17,952
Commission Loeb set up a massive
task force to catch you.
1581
01:10:17,996 --> 01:10:19,867
He thinks you're dangerous.
1582
01:10:19,911 --> 01:10:22,479
What do you think?
1583
01:10:22,522 --> 01:10:24,394
I think you're trying to help.
1584
01:10:30,313 --> 01:10:31,792
But I've been wrong before.
1585
01:10:31,836 --> 01:10:34,360
Nolan wasn't a huge comic geek.
1586
01:10:34,404 --> 01:10:37,276
And he wasn't coming at it from
the point of view of some fan
1587
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,365
who got his chance
to make what he wanted.
1588
01:10:39,409 --> 01:10:42,194
He was looking at it like
a serious dramatic filmmaker
1589
01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:44,979
who had an opportunity
to take this thing
1590
01:10:45,023 --> 01:10:46,938
and make it real.
1591
01:10:46,981 --> 01:10:49,723
Nolan's Batmans
were the first time
1592
01:10:49,767 --> 01:10:53,466
that someone approached
superhero mythology
1593
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:56,730
as a legitimate
dramatic narrative.
1594
01:10:56,774 --> 01:11:00,038
I give Warners and Nolan a
lot of credit for committing
1595
01:11:00,081 --> 01:11:02,606
to the degree that they did
to bring that real
1596
01:11:02,649 --> 01:11:04,477
'cause I think there's
a whole generation of people
1597
01:11:04,521 --> 01:11:06,566
that that's their version
of Batman.
1598
01:11:06,610 --> 01:11:08,829
It was defining.
1599
01:11:08,873 --> 01:11:10,440
[NARRATOR] Batman Begins
helped to bring
1600
01:11:10,483 --> 01:11:12,268
a new level of respect
1601
01:11:12,311 --> 01:11:16,315
both to superhero films and
to comic books themselves.
1602
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:18,709
The year of its
release, 2005,
1603
01:11:18,752 --> 01:11:21,146
also saw
comic book adaptations
1604
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:22,713
compete for the first time
at Cannes,
1605
01:11:22,756 --> 01:11:26,194
the most prestigious
international film festival.
1606
01:11:26,238 --> 01:11:28,980
Sin City, directed
by Robert Rodriguez
1607
01:11:29,023 --> 01:11:30,590
andA History of Violence,
1608
01:11:30,634 --> 01:11:33,854
by veteran Canadian filmmaker
David Cronenberg,
1609
01:11:33,898 --> 01:11:36,335
continued in the tradition
of earlier films
1610
01:11:36,379 --> 01:11:38,119
Road to Perdition
and Ghost World
1611
01:11:38,163 --> 01:11:40,992
in demonstrating that
comic books were an artform
1612
01:11:41,035 --> 01:11:43,386
to be taken seriously.
1613
01:11:43,429 --> 01:11:45,257
[JENNA BUSCH]
The things that came out
1614
01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:47,172
that weren't
superhero based
1615
01:11:47,215 --> 01:11:49,609
really showed a lot of people
who don't read comics
1616
01:11:49,653 --> 01:11:51,829
that it was more
than guys in Spandex.
1617
01:11:51,872 --> 01:11:55,223
I think it made people take
the medium more seriously.
1618
01:11:55,267 --> 01:11:57,835
That it wasn't just
the pulp stories.
1619
01:11:57,878 --> 01:12:01,578
That it was that you could tell
a really beautiful narrative
1620
01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:03,797
and you had another layer to it.
1621
01:12:03,841 --> 01:12:05,843
You had the visuals.
1622
01:12:05,886 --> 01:12:10,021
[GEOFF BOUCHER] The urgency of
truly high quality comic books
1623
01:12:10,064 --> 01:12:11,805
starts coming across.
1624
01:12:11,849 --> 01:12:13,981
Road to Perdition,
in particular,
1625
01:12:14,025 --> 01:12:15,896
I think it's fantastic
that people don't know
1626
01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:19,726
that's based on a comic book.
I love to tell them and say,
1627
01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:22,338
"Oh, it's a very
faithful adaptation as well."
1628
01:12:22,381 --> 01:12:23,991
You see them
scratch their heads.
1629
01:12:24,035 --> 01:12:27,995
That doubt of their sense
of what a comic book is
1630
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:33,000
is what led to all the great
things that have happened since.
1631
01:12:33,044 --> 01:12:35,263
[NARRATOR] Yet in the years
immediately following
1632
01:12:35,307 --> 01:12:39,050
the release of Batman Begins,
the genre still seemed shaky.
1633
01:12:39,093 --> 01:12:42,183
Marvel adaptations continued
to flounder,
1634
01:12:42,227 --> 01:12:45,622
with Elektra,
Ghost Rider and a Fantastic Four sequel
1635
01:12:45,665 --> 01:12:48,407
all receiving
a lukewarm reception,
1636
01:12:48,451 --> 01:12:50,627
while third films
in proven series
1637
01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:54,500
X-Men and Spider-Man
disappointed fans.
1638
01:12:54,544 --> 01:12:56,110
Behind the
scenes, however,
1639
01:12:56,154 --> 01:12:59,505
Marvel was looking to take
its fate into its own hands.
1640
01:12:59,549 --> 01:13:03,074
In the 90s Marvel
was licensing its properties
1641
01:13:03,117 --> 01:13:04,684
to a variety
of different studios.
1642
01:13:04,728 --> 01:13:08,122
So, for example,
Paramount had Iron Man,
1643
01:13:08,166 --> 01:13:10,342
Thor, Captain America,
1644
01:13:10,386 --> 01:13:11,909
I think it might have had
Black Panther at the time.
1645
01:13:11,952 --> 01:13:15,695
Fox had the X-Men
universe of course.
1646
01:13:15,739 --> 01:13:18,437
Sony had Spider-Man,
Universal had The Hulk.
1647
01:13:18,481 --> 01:13:22,963
But in the mid-2000s, led by
a guy called David Maisel
1648
01:13:23,007 --> 01:13:25,444
Marvel decided
they would try and employ
1649
01:13:25,488 --> 01:13:28,534
a different model
of movie-making.
1650
01:13:28,578 --> 01:13:31,189
[NARRATOR] Maisel suggested
that Marvel develop
1651
01:13:31,232 --> 01:13:33,191
and produce
films in-house,
1652
01:13:33,234 --> 01:13:35,541
become a production company
in its own right
1653
01:13:35,585 --> 01:13:38,196
and maintain creative
and financial control
1654
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,198
over its own properties.
1655
01:13:40,241 --> 01:13:41,895
It was a risky move,
1656
01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:45,116
as it required the company to
secure substantial funding,
1657
01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:46,900
yet Marvel
pressed forward,
1658
01:13:46,944 --> 01:13:48,467
with the rights
to only a handful
1659
01:13:48,511 --> 01:13:50,730
of its more
prominent characters.
1660
01:13:50,774 --> 01:13:53,951
In 2007,
they moved into production,
1661
01:13:53,994 --> 01:13:56,170
and under the stewardship
of David Maisel
1662
01:13:56,214 --> 01:13:58,346
and Marvel producer
Kevin Feige,
1663
01:13:58,390 --> 01:14:01,262
soon announced their
upcoming plans to the press.
1664
01:14:01,306 --> 01:14:03,308
[GEOFF BOUCHER]
I had published a story
1665
01:14:03,351 --> 01:14:05,353
that was on the front page of
the LA Times business section.
1666
01:14:05,397 --> 01:14:08,400
It had a picture of the Hulk
and Thor and Iron Man.
1667
01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:11,055
This was before
the first Iron Man film.
1668
01:14:11,098 --> 01:14:13,536
And the headline
was "The B-Team".
1669
01:14:13,579 --> 01:14:15,146
This was notX-Men,
1670
01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:16,800
the best-selling
comic book in America.
1671
01:14:16,843 --> 01:14:18,192
This was notSpider-Man.
1672
01:14:18,236 --> 01:14:21,369
These characters
weren't as well-known.
1673
01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:26,331
But there's nothing wrong
with being an unknown
1674
01:14:26,374 --> 01:14:29,552
as long as you make
a good first impression.
1675
01:14:29,595 --> 01:14:31,684
[NARRATOR]
In 2008, the pressure
1676
01:14:31,728 --> 01:14:33,294
for that first impression
1677
01:14:33,338 --> 01:14:35,645
fell on the shoulders
of Iron Man
1678
01:14:35,688 --> 01:14:37,516
and his alter
ego Tony Stark,
1679
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,170
the hero who would front
1680
01:14:39,213 --> 01:14:42,390
the debut release
from Marvel Studios.
1681
01:14:42,434 --> 01:14:44,567
Like Blade
a decade beforehand,
1682
01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:46,917
once again
this was a character
1683
01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,049
with little
audience recognition,
1684
01:14:49,093 --> 01:14:50,660
although comic
book readers
1685
01:14:50,703 --> 01:14:52,270
had been following
his adventures
1686
01:14:52,313 --> 01:14:55,969
since Stan Lee created him
back in 1963.
1687
01:14:56,013 --> 01:14:57,797
[BRADFORD WRIGHT]
When Marvel got into
1688
01:14:57,841 --> 01:14:59,190
its second-tier
characters
1689
01:14:59,233 --> 01:15:01,061
comic book fans, of course,
knew who they were
1690
01:15:01,105 --> 01:15:03,020
but the broader audience didn't.
1691
01:15:03,063 --> 01:15:05,283
In advance of the Iron Man
film coming out
1692
01:15:05,326 --> 01:15:06,893
there was
a big publicity campaign
1693
01:15:06,937 --> 01:15:09,243
to make sure that people
knew he wasn't a robot.
1694
01:15:09,287 --> 01:15:11,028
Of course, comic book fans
already knew that.
1695
01:15:11,071 --> 01:15:13,378
Iron Man's an interesting
character and very timely.
1696
01:15:13,421 --> 01:15:14,727
He was a character born
1697
01:15:14,771 --> 01:15:16,163
as the United States
was getting ready
1698
01:15:16,207 --> 01:15:18,078
to go to war in Vietnam.
1699
01:15:18,122 --> 01:15:19,863
He was a character
that came out
1700
01:15:19,906 --> 01:15:21,821
of the military
industrial complex.
1701
01:15:21,865 --> 01:15:24,998
Tony Stark working
as a defense contractor
1702
01:15:25,042 --> 01:15:27,871
with the government,
wounded in Vietnam,
1703
01:15:27,914 --> 01:15:29,655
and builds this
Iron Man suit
1704
01:15:29,699 --> 01:15:32,397
because he's so brilliant
with technology.
1705
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:34,747
That's easily adapted
to our own age
1706
01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:38,359
where the United States
is in Vietnam-like wars,
1707
01:15:38,403 --> 01:15:40,579
in Afghanistan and Iraq
at the time.
1708
01:15:40,623 --> 01:15:42,755
Once again we had
this tension between
1709
01:15:42,799 --> 01:15:44,801
trying to master
this technology
1710
01:15:44,844 --> 01:15:48,282
but yet someone who feels
apart from that as well.
1711
01:15:48,326 --> 01:15:51,547
He's still part of that
military industrial complex.
1712
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:53,157
But he makes it clear that
1713
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,463
he's going to turn attention
elsewhere and help people.
1714
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,817
I saw young Americans killed
1715
01:16:00,860 --> 01:16:04,864
by the very weapons I created
to defend and protect them.
1716
01:16:06,474 --> 01:16:09,129
And I saw that I...
1717
01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:10,740
...had become part of a system
1718
01:16:10,783 --> 01:16:14,047
that is comfortable
with zero accountability.
1719
01:16:14,091 --> 01:16:15,396
[SEVERAL PEOPLE
SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY]
1720
01:16:17,007 --> 01:16:19,575
What happened over there?
1721
01:16:19,618 --> 01:16:21,751
I had my eyes open.
1722
01:16:21,794 --> 01:16:23,927
I came to realize
that I had more
1723
01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:26,669
to offer this world
1724
01:16:26,712 --> 01:16:28,714
than just making things
to blow up.
1725
01:16:28,758 --> 01:16:30,890
That is why,
effective immediately,
1726
01:16:30,934 --> 01:16:33,719
I am shutting down
the weapons manufacture...
1727
01:16:33,763 --> 01:16:35,591
[COMMOTION]
1728
01:16:35,634 --> 01:16:38,463
For a technology
obsessed culture
1729
01:16:38,506 --> 01:16:42,206
you really can't get
a better superhero than Iron Man
1730
01:16:42,249 --> 01:16:43,816
to play to these tensions,
1731
01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:46,776
this love-hate
or love-fear relationship
1732
01:16:46,819 --> 01:16:48,604
that we all have
with technology.
1733
01:16:52,999 --> 01:16:54,305
Jarvis, are you there?
1734
01:16:54,348 --> 01:16:56,263
At your service, sir.
1735
01:16:56,307 --> 01:16:57,961
Gaugeheadsupdisplay.
1736
01:16:58,004 --> 01:16:59,136
Check.
1737
01:16:59,179 --> 01:17:00,964
All preferences
from home interface.
1738
01:17:01,007 --> 01:17:02,705
Will do, sir.
1739
01:17:02,748 --> 01:17:05,577
[JENNA BUSCH] I know Iron
Man was sort of risky
1740
01:17:05,621 --> 01:17:08,493
because people didn't know
who that character was.
1741
01:17:08,536 --> 01:17:12,236
But I was really excited
and the reason was...
1742
01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:16,501
...I feel that with something
like Batman or Captain America
1743
01:17:16,544 --> 01:17:20,070
there was this feeling that
you're not going to do it right.
1744
01:17:20,113 --> 01:17:23,639
You're going to mess up
my Captain America, my Batman.
1745
01:17:23,682 --> 01:17:27,077
Where Iron Man, because a lot of
people didn't know who he was,
1746
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,906
you could go in and pretty much
do anything you want.
1747
01:17:29,949 --> 01:17:31,385
So it was a brilliant move.
1748
01:17:31,429 --> 01:17:33,431
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
1749
01:17:37,609 --> 01:17:40,264
If you're going to launch
a cinematic universe
1750
01:17:40,307 --> 01:17:42,745
that is completely unique,
1751
01:17:42,788 --> 01:17:45,095
you got to do it with somebody
that no one knows.
1752
01:17:45,138 --> 01:17:47,271
[NARRATOR] But casting
somebody no one knows
1753
01:17:47,314 --> 01:17:49,229
was not an option.
1754
01:17:49,273 --> 01:17:50,927
Bringing on board
a familiar actor
1755
01:17:50,970 --> 01:17:52,363
to play Tony Stark
1756
01:17:52,406 --> 01:17:54,321
was crucial
to the film's success
1757
01:17:54,365 --> 01:17:57,411
Marvel approached Robert
Downey Jr. for the role.
1758
01:17:57,455 --> 01:18:01,241
An Oscar-winning actor
who had emerged in the 1980s
1759
01:18:01,285 --> 01:18:02,678
and whose career
had been derailed
1760
01:18:02,721 --> 01:18:04,375
by substance abuse issues
1761
01:18:04,418 --> 01:18:06,333
and imprisonment
the following decade,
1762
01:18:06,377 --> 01:18:08,031
by the time of Iron Man
1763
01:18:08,074 --> 01:18:09,815
his career was
on the rise once again,
1764
01:18:09,859 --> 01:18:12,470
and he proved
the perfect choice.
1765
01:18:12,513 --> 01:18:14,298
[JON FAVREAU] This is the
role of a lifetime for him.
1766
01:18:14,341 --> 01:18:16,648
A lot of people thought
Chaplin was.
1767
01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:18,215
I think this guy was born
to be Tony Stark.
1768
01:18:18,258 --> 01:18:21,261
Robert's grown up
in the public eye.
1769
01:18:21,305 --> 01:18:23,481
Everything good and bad
that's happened in his life
1770
01:18:23,524 --> 01:18:25,135
everybody's seen.
1771
01:18:25,178 --> 01:18:27,964
And Tony Stark is a guy who's
also grown up in the public eye.
1772
01:18:28,007 --> 01:18:30,749
He's a genius. Everybody
appreciates his talent.
1773
01:18:30,793 --> 01:18:32,490
[JENNA BUSCH]
It made sense to have
1774
01:18:32,533 --> 01:18:33,926
Robert Downey
Jr. do this.
1775
01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:35,972
He has a history
with substance abuse
1776
01:18:36,015 --> 01:18:38,888
and Iron Man has a history
with substance abuse.
1777
01:18:38,931 --> 01:18:41,020
Robert Downey Jr.
had gone through some stuff.
1778
01:18:41,064 --> 01:18:43,109
He was still
a well-respected actor
1779
01:18:43,153 --> 01:18:46,417
but his career wasn't
flourishing the way it is now.
1780
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:49,028
So I think what he did
for Iron Man,
1781
01:18:49,072 --> 01:18:50,987
Iron Mandid for him.
1782
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:52,945
[ROSIE FLETCHER] Tony Stark
is a brilliant character.
1783
01:18:52,989 --> 01:18:55,774
In a way he's sort
of comparable to Batman
1784
01:18:55,818 --> 01:18:57,907
in the sense that he
is a multi-millionaire
1785
01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:59,299
and he's a genius.
1786
01:18:59,343 --> 01:19:00,779
But that was part
of the appeal
1787
01:19:00,823 --> 01:19:03,086
because the darkness
in Batmanis fantastic
1788
01:19:03,129 --> 01:19:04,914
and that works for him.
1789
01:19:04,957 --> 01:19:07,220
But what worked for Iron
Man is he was really funny.
1790
01:19:07,264 --> 01:19:10,006
- Hello, Tony. Remember me?
- Sure don't.
1791
01:19:10,049 --> 01:19:12,008
You cast Robert Downey Jr.
1792
01:19:12,051 --> 01:19:14,271
who had famously
had his own problems
1793
01:19:14,314 --> 01:19:15,794
who's not a teenager.
1794
01:19:15,838 --> 01:19:17,753
There was no way
anyone thought
1795
01:19:17,796 --> 01:19:19,363
that movie was
only for kids.
1796
01:19:19,406 --> 01:19:20,799
It took on big themes.
1797
01:19:20,843 --> 01:19:22,540
It had scenes
set in Afghanistan.
1798
01:19:22,583 --> 01:19:23,759
It had Jeff Bridges in it.
1799
01:19:23,802 --> 01:19:26,326
There's a lot
going on in that movie.
1800
01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:28,285
[SCOTT MENDELSON] Iron Man
was successfully sold
1801
01:19:28,328 --> 01:19:30,374
as a comic book
superhero movie
1802
01:19:30,417 --> 01:19:32,419
to people that otherwise
might be embarrassed
1803
01:19:32,463 --> 01:19:34,291
to go to a comic book
superhero movie.
1804
01:19:34,334 --> 01:19:36,554
It had adult movie stars.
1805
01:19:36,597 --> 01:19:40,601
Robert Downey Jr., Gwyneth
Paltrow, Jeff Bridges.
1806
01:19:40,645 --> 01:19:43,604
This was almost a prestigious
comic book picture.
1807
01:19:43,648 --> 01:19:45,955
right alongside
Batman Begins.
1808
01:19:45,998 --> 01:19:48,218
It comes out
beginning of May,
1809
01:19:48,261 --> 01:19:50,698
shocks everyone
by doing $102 million
1810
01:19:50,742 --> 01:19:52,048
on opening weekend.
1811
01:19:52,091 --> 01:19:53,832
Second biggest opening
for a non-sequel ever
1812
01:19:53,876 --> 01:19:55,660
beyond Spider-Man.
1813
01:19:55,703 --> 01:19:57,880
That Monday
Marvel comes out and said,
1814
01:19:57,923 --> 01:20:00,578
"OK, here's what
we're doing next."
1815
01:20:00,621 --> 01:20:02,275
[NARRATOR]
Marvel publicly announced
1816
01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:03,929
an ambitious
production slate
1817
01:20:03,973 --> 01:20:05,626
that aimed
to release solo films
1818
01:20:05,670 --> 01:20:07,846
for all of
its key characters,
1819
01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:11,676
culminating in a team
film The Avengers.
1820
01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:15,549
And while its other release
of 2008,The Incredible Hulk,
1821
01:20:15,593 --> 01:20:17,943
proved less successful
than Iron Man,
1822
01:20:17,987 --> 01:20:20,467
the studio was confident
it could bring superheroes
1823
01:20:20,511 --> 01:20:23,906
to the screen
like never before.
1824
01:20:23,949 --> 01:20:27,257
As Marvel enjoyed
the first of many successes,
1825
01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:31,130
DC's frontrunner returned to
movie theatres once again.
1826
01:20:31,174 --> 01:20:34,003
And whereBatman Begins had
created a new benchmark
1827
01:20:34,046 --> 01:20:35,482
for comic book
adaptations,
1828
01:20:35,526 --> 01:20:38,790
The Dark Knight
was a far bleaker sequel
1829
01:20:38,834 --> 01:20:40,096
that saw
Christopher Nolan
1830
01:20:40,139 --> 01:20:41,532
continue to push
the boundaries
1831
01:20:41,575 --> 01:20:43,055
of fantasy cinema
1832
01:20:43,099 --> 01:20:45,841
and brought Batman's
arch-nemesis the Joker
1833
01:20:45,884 --> 01:20:47,886
back onto the big screen.
1834
01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:49,583
This role
would be immortalized
1835
01:20:49,627 --> 01:20:51,977
by Australian actor
Heath Ledger,
1836
01:20:52,021 --> 01:20:55,720
who died just months
before the film's release.
1837
01:20:55,763 --> 01:20:57,461
[MATT MAYTUM] The darkness
of The Dark Knight,
1838
01:20:57,504 --> 01:21:01,247
was fairly surprising.
It really went to places that
1839
01:21:01,291 --> 01:21:03,380
maybe you'd expect
a crime thriller to go to
1840
01:21:03,423 --> 01:21:05,425
more than a comic book movie.
1841
01:21:05,469 --> 01:21:07,906
But I think that had been
seeded in Batman Begins
1842
01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:10,822
taking this much more
realistic and gritty approach
1843
01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:13,346
to the character,
setting it in a Gotham
1844
01:21:13,390 --> 01:21:16,219
that felt much more
like a crime-ridden city
1845
01:21:16,262 --> 01:21:18,395
than a comic
book metropolis.
1846
01:21:18,438 --> 01:21:22,486
People were really excited
to see a Batman-Joker story
1847
01:21:22,529 --> 01:21:24,705
set in that world
1848
01:21:24,749 --> 01:21:27,621
with the cool casting
of Heath Ledger
1849
01:21:27,665 --> 01:21:30,886
as a pretty creepy
looking Joker.
1850
01:21:30,929 --> 01:21:33,279
Keep in mind the preview
came out before he died
1851
01:21:33,323 --> 01:21:35,455
so we already had a decent idea
1852
01:21:35,499 --> 01:21:36,804
of what kind of Joker
he would be.
1853
01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:44,900
You see, this is how crazy
Batman's made Gotham.
1854
01:21:44,943 --> 01:21:47,206
If you want order
in Gotham,
1855
01:21:47,250 --> 01:21:52,211
Batman must take off his mask
and turn himself in.
1856
01:21:52,255 --> 01:21:55,823
Oh, and every day he doesn't,
people will die.
1857
01:21:55,867 --> 01:21:57,956
[MATT MAYTUM] There was
a lot of interest in it
1858
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,133
because it was Heath Ledger's
final complete role on film.
1859
01:22:01,177 --> 01:22:04,658
[LAUGHING]
1860
01:22:04,702 --> 01:22:06,704
He was obviously
an actor of interest.
1861
01:22:06,747 --> 01:22:09,576
He was Oscar nominated
for Brokeback Mountain,
1862
01:22:09,620 --> 01:22:13,580
so he was someone who
was clearly taken seriously
1863
01:22:13,624 --> 01:22:15,147
butThe Dark Knight
showed him
1864
01:22:15,191 --> 01:22:16,757
in a completely
different light.
1865
01:22:16,801 --> 01:22:19,325
I genuinely believe
that if he hadn't died,
1866
01:22:19,369 --> 01:22:21,414
people would have still been
as blown away
1867
01:22:21,458 --> 01:22:22,807
and interested
in that performance.
1868
01:22:24,722 --> 01:22:25,984
[GUNFIRE]
1869
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,337
Come on, come on.
I want you to do it.
1870
01:22:31,381 --> 01:22:32,512
Come on.
1871
01:22:33,687 --> 01:22:34,688
Come on.
1872
01:22:36,255 --> 01:22:39,041
Come on, come on.
I want you to do it.
1873
01:22:39,084 --> 01:22:41,478
Come on, hit me.
Come on, hit me!
1874
01:22:43,567 --> 01:22:45,351
Hit me!
1875
01:22:47,049 --> 01:22:49,138
You just don't see
many performances like that,
1876
01:22:49,181 --> 01:22:52,184
especially in terms of
villains in superhero films
1877
01:22:52,228 --> 01:22:53,490
that are kind
of so intense.
1878
01:22:53,533 --> 01:22:56,188
It clearly dug so deep
into that character
1879
01:22:56,232 --> 01:22:57,885
and was really
quite terrifying.
1880
01:22:57,929 --> 01:23:00,018
And that's obviously
one of the main things
1881
01:23:00,062 --> 01:23:02,064
that people remember and love
about The Dark Knight,
1882
01:23:02,107 --> 01:23:04,153
Heath Ledger's performance.
1883
01:23:04,196 --> 01:23:05,719
[JEFFREY HENDERSON] If Stanley
Kubrick had lived long enough
1884
01:23:05,763 --> 01:23:07,025
to do a superhero movie
1885
01:23:07,069 --> 01:23:08,461
it would have been
The Dark Knight.
1886
01:23:08,505 --> 01:23:11,464
It was the first time
that someone committed
1887
01:23:11,508 --> 01:23:13,031
to the resources
you'd need
1888
01:23:13,075 --> 01:23:16,948
to take comics out
of the pop culture class.
1889
01:23:16,992 --> 01:23:18,515
It wasn't
an amazing comic book flick.
1890
01:23:18,558 --> 01:23:20,082
It was an amazing movie
1891
01:23:20,125 --> 01:23:22,040
that happened to be about
a comic book character.
1892
01:23:22,084 --> 01:23:23,520
And there's a big difference.
1893
01:23:23,563 --> 01:23:25,130
The performances
are amazing.
1894
01:23:25,174 --> 01:23:27,306
And the caliber of talent
he would surround himself
1895
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:29,917
to do those films
is staggering.
1896
01:23:29,961 --> 01:23:31,267
[ROSIE FLETCHER] With a
director like Nolan,
1897
01:23:31,310 --> 01:23:34,226
producing these
incredibly cinematic movies,
1898
01:23:34,270 --> 01:23:35,793
it's not that surprising
1899
01:23:35,836 --> 01:23:38,361
that these were really
the first superhero movies
1900
01:23:38,404 --> 01:23:41,929
that were seriously considered
for awards glory.
1901
01:23:41,973 --> 01:23:45,542
Heath Ledger was awarded the
Oscar for his performance
1902
01:23:45,585 --> 01:23:47,239
after he'd died.
1903
01:23:47,283 --> 01:23:49,894
Although none of those movies
were nominated for Best Picture,
1904
01:23:49,937 --> 01:23:51,983
there was a bit of an outcry
that they should be -
1905
01:23:52,027 --> 01:23:53,767
why shouldn't we take these,
1906
01:23:53,811 --> 01:23:55,639
not only seriously
within their own worlds,
1907
01:23:55,682 --> 01:24:00,252
but why shouldn't this be taken
seriously as a piece of cinema?
1908
01:24:00,296 --> 01:24:02,341
[NARRATOR] And following
the success of Iron Man
1909
01:24:02,385 --> 01:24:03,951
and The Dark Knight,
1910
01:24:03,995 --> 01:24:06,215
comic book adaptations
spread like a hurricane
1911
01:24:06,258 --> 01:24:07,912
through popular culture.
1912
01:24:07,955 --> 01:24:10,045
Studios desperately raced
1913
01:24:10,088 --> 01:24:11,829
to find new characters
and titles
1914
01:24:11,872 --> 01:24:13,483
to bring to the
big screen,
1915
01:24:13,526 --> 01:24:16,268
while Iron Man returned
for a successful sequel
1916
01:24:16,312 --> 01:24:18,618
and Hugh Jackman's Wolverine
was pulled from the wreck
1917
01:24:18,662 --> 01:24:20,490
of the X-Men series
1918
01:24:20,533 --> 01:24:23,058
to star in his own
cinematic adventures.
1919
01:24:23,101 --> 01:24:25,495
Having signed
a lucrative buyout deal
1920
01:24:25,538 --> 01:24:27,932
with Disney in 2011,
1921
01:24:27,975 --> 01:24:30,804
Marvel Studios returned with
the next two installments
1922
01:24:30,848 --> 01:24:32,284
of its cinematic canon.
1923
01:24:32,328 --> 01:24:34,765
The first of these
to be released was Thor,
1924
01:24:34,808 --> 01:24:37,463
and like Iron Man
this represented
1925
01:24:37,507 --> 01:24:40,075
the character's
big screen debut.
1926
01:24:40,118 --> 01:24:42,251
Thor is a god of thunder
1927
01:24:42,294 --> 01:24:45,950
who has this enormously powerful
weapon of mass destruction
1928
01:24:45,993 --> 01:24:47,865
that only he can pick up
1929
01:24:47,908 --> 01:24:52,261
because he is the only person
worthy of lifting this burden.
1930
01:24:52,304 --> 01:24:53,697
I think that
Marvel comics,
1931
01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:55,394
with Stan Lee
and Jack Kirby again,
1932
01:24:55,438 --> 01:24:58,267
were able to tap into this
other realm of gods that
1933
01:24:58,310 --> 01:25:01,183
we don't really study
in Western culture.
1934
01:25:01,226 --> 01:25:02,967
We have our Greeks
and our Romans
1935
01:25:03,010 --> 01:25:05,448
but the Norse gods
are very cool.
1936
01:25:05,491 --> 01:25:08,015
A god of thunder who
makes thunder with a hammer
1937
01:25:08,059 --> 01:25:09,539
and can shoot
lightning bolts.
1938
01:25:09,582 --> 01:25:11,976
That's something
we hadn't seen before.
1939
01:25:12,019 --> 01:25:15,022
Despite the character's
longevity in the comics world,
1940
01:25:15,066 --> 01:25:17,199
he again seemed
a risky prospect
1941
01:25:17,242 --> 01:25:18,939
for a wider audience.
1942
01:25:18,983 --> 01:25:21,594
Yet Marvel Studios,
and its mastermind,
1943
01:25:21,638 --> 01:25:23,988
President of Production
Kevin Feige,
1944
01:25:24,031 --> 01:25:27,426
were confident that they
could makeThor a hit.
1945
01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:30,299
With veteran British actor
and filmmaker Kenneth Branagh
1946
01:25:30,342 --> 01:25:32,214
on board
to direct the project,
1947
01:25:32,257 --> 01:25:35,130
they even altered their
tried-and-tested formula
1948
01:25:35,173 --> 01:25:37,306
and cast unknown
Australian actor
1949
01:25:37,349 --> 01:25:41,484
Chris Hemsworth to portray
this equally unfamiliar hero
1950
01:25:41,527 --> 01:25:44,617
Just the idea that
you have Norse mythology
1951
01:25:44,661 --> 01:25:46,837
with Shakespearean prose
1952
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:51,058
in this fantastical,
crazy Jack Kirby on acid world.
1953
01:25:51,102 --> 01:25:52,712
I remember when
they announced the movie.
1954
01:25:52,756 --> 01:25:54,627
I was like, "How the hell
are they going to...?"
1955
01:25:54,671 --> 01:25:56,847
Everything else
is so grounded in reality
1956
01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:58,544
and Thor is this one thing
1957
01:25:58,588 --> 01:26:00,416
that I just couldn't see
how it would fit.
1958
01:26:00,459 --> 01:26:03,201
When I first sat down
with the Marvel folk
1959
01:26:03,245 --> 01:26:05,638
they said, "This is the most
difficult property we have.
1960
01:26:05,682 --> 01:26:07,814
We have so many ways
to fail doing this."
1961
01:26:07,858 --> 01:26:09,599
I thought, "Well, that's great,
good start."
1962
01:26:09,642 --> 01:26:11,601
But when I looked this up
it said, what's the genre?
1963
01:26:11,644 --> 01:26:14,821
It said, action, sci-fi,
fantasy, adventure, drama.
1964
01:26:14,865 --> 01:26:16,823
That's a lot of categories,
isn't it?
1965
01:26:16,867 --> 01:26:20,697
I said, "I think it has all
those things in the comics.
1966
01:26:20,740 --> 01:26:23,003
The biggest challenge is tone."
1967
01:26:23,047 --> 01:26:25,049
[CROWD CHEERING]
1968
01:26:25,092 --> 01:26:26,398
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
1969
01:26:30,489 --> 01:26:31,664
[LOUD CHEERS]
1970
01:26:34,537 --> 01:26:37,279
[ROSIE FLETCHER]
Thor potentially on paper
1971
01:26:37,322 --> 01:26:38,889
is quite a
difficult sell.
1972
01:26:38,932 --> 01:26:42,240
And it is certainly stretching
the realms of believability.
1973
01:26:42,284 --> 01:26:46,157
While you've set up Iron Man
with this real world guy
1974
01:26:46,201 --> 01:26:48,333
who is looking
at real world issues
1975
01:26:48,377 --> 01:26:50,248
and is set
in a very real world way
1976
01:26:50,292 --> 01:26:51,728
and it's very serious,
1977
01:26:51,771 --> 01:26:53,164
it's like, and now we're going
to have a Norse god -
1978
01:26:53,208 --> 01:26:54,687
is quite a difficult sell.
1979
01:26:54,731 --> 01:26:58,430
What it did expertly
is it was really funny.
1980
01:27:02,391 --> 01:27:04,784
- This drink, I like it.
- I know, it's great, right?
1981
01:27:04,828 --> 01:27:05,829
Another!
1982
01:27:05,872 --> 01:27:07,700
[GLASS SMASHES]
1983
01:27:07,744 --> 01:27:10,181
Sorry. It was a little accident.
1984
01:27:13,271 --> 01:27:14,794
- What was that?
- It was delicious.
1985
01:27:14,838 --> 01:27:16,666
- I want another.
- You could have just said so.
1986
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:19,321
- I just did.
- No, I mean ask, nicely.
1987
01:27:19,364 --> 01:27:23,107
- I meant no disrespect.
- Alright, no more smashing.
1988
01:27:23,150 --> 01:27:24,456
Deal?
1989
01:27:26,806 --> 01:27:28,199
You have my word.
1990
01:27:28,243 --> 01:27:29,853
Essentially,
it's a brilliant fantasy
1991
01:27:29,896 --> 01:27:32,203
fish out of water comedy
1992
01:27:32,247 --> 01:27:34,031
and didn't take itself
seriously at all.
1993
01:27:34,074 --> 01:27:36,860
Chris Hemsworth
was the perfect choice.
1994
01:27:36,903 --> 01:27:38,296
[CRASHING]
1995
01:27:43,823 --> 01:27:45,912
So is this
how you normally look?
1996
01:27:45,956 --> 01:27:48,132
More or less.
1997
01:27:48,175 --> 01:27:50,308
It's a good look.
1998
01:27:50,352 --> 01:27:52,179
[JEFFREY HENDERSON]
Given how off the rails
1999
01:27:52,223 --> 01:27:53,311
Thor could have been,
2000
01:27:53,355 --> 01:27:55,139
I thought they did a great job.
2001
01:27:55,182 --> 01:27:57,097
And Hemsworth too.
2002
01:27:57,141 --> 01:27:59,404
That guy's no joke as an actor.
2003
01:27:59,448 --> 01:28:01,624
Like, yeah, he's big and yoked
and pretty and everything.
2004
01:28:01,667 --> 01:28:06,324
That guy's really good,
because that's a thankless role.
2005
01:28:06,368 --> 01:28:09,719
That could have been
so ridiculous and so stupid.
2006
01:28:09,762 --> 01:28:12,330
[NARRATOR] Although less
successful than Iron Man,
2007
01:28:12,374 --> 01:28:15,333
Thor proved
another box office draw,
2008
01:28:15,377 --> 01:28:17,335
and anticipation was now
running high
2009
01:28:17,379 --> 01:28:19,990
for Marvel's other
big release of 2011,
2010
01:28:20,033 --> 01:28:22,253
CAPTAIN AMERICA:
The First Avenger.
2011
01:28:22,297 --> 01:28:24,995
And this character
was the oldest Superhero
2012
01:28:25,038 --> 01:28:26,649
in the company's
repertoire,
2013
01:28:26,692 --> 01:28:30,348
a propaganda symbol dating
back to the early 1940s
2014
01:28:30,392 --> 01:28:33,569
and America's entrance
into the Second World War.
2015
01:28:33,612 --> 01:28:35,353
Captain America,
for my money,
2016
01:28:35,397 --> 01:28:37,224
is the most underrated
character of them all.
2017
01:28:37,268 --> 01:28:40,315
He was forged
in the crucible of World War II.
2018
01:28:40,358 --> 01:28:43,405
He was the first major
patriotic character.
2019
01:28:43,448 --> 01:28:46,408
He emerged
from the hand of Joe Simon
2020
01:28:46,451 --> 01:28:48,148
and the inks of Jack Kirby
2021
01:28:48,192 --> 01:28:50,760
and he was the guy who
was going to fight the Nazis
2022
01:28:50,803 --> 01:28:53,371
and whip them
six ways to Sunday.
2023
01:28:53,415 --> 01:28:55,547
The most ingenious idea
2024
01:28:55,591 --> 01:28:58,420
was the fact
that Stanley revived him
2025
01:28:58,463 --> 01:29:02,293
after all these other characters
had come out in the early 1960s
2026
01:29:02,337 --> 01:29:04,382
in The Avengers
comic book.
2027
01:29:04,426 --> 01:29:06,297
And he reintroduced him
2028
01:29:06,341 --> 01:29:08,212
in a state
of suspended animation.
2029
01:29:08,255 --> 01:29:13,435
He brought him back and Captain
America had spent 20 years
2030
01:29:13,478 --> 01:29:15,262
outside of
American society.
2031
01:29:15,306 --> 01:29:17,352
He famously lost Bucky,
his companion.
2032
01:29:17,395 --> 01:29:19,005
He thought he could
have saved him.
2033
01:29:19,049 --> 01:29:20,703
He's become Hamlet.
2034
01:29:20,746 --> 01:29:22,618
He's become the superhero
as Hamlet.
2035
01:29:22,661 --> 01:29:25,142
He has an existential crisis.
2036
01:29:25,185 --> 01:29:27,710
Remaining true
to Stan Lee's concept,
2037
01:29:27,753 --> 01:29:29,712
CAPTAIN AMERICA:
The First Avenger
2038
01:29:29,755 --> 01:29:31,191
was an origin story
2039
01:29:31,235 --> 01:29:33,846
set primarily during
the second world war,
2040
01:29:33,890 --> 01:29:35,718
and introduced audiences
to the character
2041
01:29:35,761 --> 01:29:38,155
before his
present day revival.
2042
01:29:38,198 --> 01:29:39,504
With another
relative unknown
2043
01:29:39,548 --> 01:29:41,941
playing Captain America,
Chris Evans,
2044
01:29:41,985 --> 01:29:44,204
and action director
Joe Johnston at the helm,
2045
01:29:44,248 --> 01:29:46,119
despite wider
public recognition
2046
01:29:46,163 --> 01:29:47,686
of the title character,
2047
01:29:47,730 --> 01:29:51,255
once again the film
was no sure-fire hit.
2048
01:29:51,298 --> 01:29:54,301
Upon its release
it proved divisive.
2049
01:29:54,345 --> 01:29:55,868
[JENNA BUSCH]
When I first heard
2050
01:29:55,912 --> 01:29:58,001
they were going to have
a Captain America movie,
2051
01:29:58,044 --> 01:29:59,611
I was concerned
2052
01:29:59,655 --> 01:30:02,919
because he has in the past
been rather cheesy.
2053
01:30:02,962 --> 01:30:05,400
And he was created
as a propaganda thing.
2054
01:30:05,443 --> 01:30:08,620
So I feel like, especially with
a red, white and blue outfit,
2055
01:30:08,664 --> 01:30:10,187
that's hard to do.
2056
01:30:10,230 --> 01:30:13,408
I think the first film
really sold that.
2057
01:30:13,451 --> 01:30:15,453
It was very clear
that he was created,
2058
01:30:15,497 --> 01:30:17,281
that this costume
was created.
2059
01:30:17,324 --> 01:30:18,587
It wasn't his
idea to wear it.
2060
01:30:18,630 --> 01:30:20,545
I think
if they hadn't done that,
2061
01:30:20,589 --> 01:30:22,460
a lot of the movie
would have failed.
2062
01:30:22,504 --> 01:30:24,419
You know, the longest time
I dreamed about...
2063
01:30:26,029 --> 01:30:28,640
...coming overseas
and being on the frontline,
2064
01:30:29,902 --> 01:30:32,252
serving my country,
2065
01:30:32,296 --> 01:30:34,516
trying to get everything
I wanted...
2066
01:30:34,559 --> 01:30:36,692
[THUNDER IN BACKGROUND]
2067
01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:39,999
...and I'm wearing tights.
2068
01:30:40,043 --> 01:30:41,740
In some ways,
Captain America is
2069
01:30:41,784 --> 01:30:44,221
the Superman
of the Marvel universe
2070
01:30:44,264 --> 01:30:45,788
in the sense that
he's this patriotic hero,
2071
01:30:45,831 --> 01:30:47,398
this all American guy.
2072
01:30:47,442 --> 01:30:49,139
But his story is arguably
not as interesting
2073
01:30:49,182 --> 01:30:52,055
and certainly in the first
Captain America movie
2074
01:30:52,098 --> 01:30:54,057
which many would argue
2075
01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:57,669
is one of the weakest
of the MCU films,
2076
01:30:57,713 --> 01:31:01,456
it was already a difficult
concept to get on board with,
2077
01:31:01,499 --> 01:31:03,719
particularly coming
on the heels of Tony Stark
2078
01:31:03,762 --> 01:31:07,113
who was such an interesting,
flawed hero.
2079
01:31:07,157 --> 01:31:10,639
A guy who's just nice and
wants to serve his country
2080
01:31:10,682 --> 01:31:14,077
didn't feel like something
easy to identify with.
2081
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,514
Strangely for me,
the first half of the movie,
2082
01:31:16,558 --> 01:31:18,690
so the period setting,
was actually more enjoyable
2083
01:31:18,734 --> 01:31:20,300
when here was
this weedy little guy
2084
01:31:20,344 --> 01:31:21,519
who really wanted to do his best
2085
01:31:21,563 --> 01:31:23,347
and hanging out
with Peggy and Bucky.
2086
01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:25,871
Later when he becomes
this square-jawed
2087
01:31:25,915 --> 01:31:29,092
fairly boring,
dare I saw it, guy
2088
01:31:29,135 --> 01:31:30,702
it didn't really work.
2089
01:31:39,276 --> 01:31:41,060
[EXPLOSION]
2090
01:31:45,412 --> 01:31:47,980
[SCOTT MENDELSON] For me, it
wasn't until Captain America
2091
01:31:48,024 --> 01:31:49,721
comes
and blows my socks off
2092
01:31:49,765 --> 01:31:52,332
then I go,
"OK, now I'm on board.
2093
01:31:52,376 --> 01:31:54,073
This movie's awesome."
2094
01:31:54,117 --> 01:31:56,685
This is the best working
story movie since...
2095
01:31:56,728 --> 01:31:59,688
It's up there with Batman
Begins, Spider-Man, Superman,
2096
01:31:59,731 --> 01:32:01,994
This is what I wanted out of
a Marvel comic book movie.
2097
01:32:02,038 --> 01:32:04,606
It is a full-fledged,
uncompromised
2098
01:32:04,649 --> 01:32:06,956
World War II
action adventure movie.
2099
01:32:06,999 --> 01:32:09,175
I was never more excited for
The Avengers
2100
01:32:09,219 --> 01:32:12,222
that I was walking out of
Captain America.
2101
01:32:12,265 --> 01:32:14,746
[NARRATOR] Although both
Thor and Captain America
2102
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:17,314
had fallen short of the
huge box office success
2103
01:32:17,357 --> 01:32:18,750
of Iron Man,
2104
01:32:18,794 --> 01:32:20,360
their 2011
output suggested
2105
01:32:20,404 --> 01:32:22,624
that Marvel Studio's
audacious plan
2106
01:32:22,667 --> 01:32:24,582
was developing smoothly.
2107
01:32:24,626 --> 01:32:27,411
And this was not simply
a Superhero movie craze -
2108
01:32:27,454 --> 01:32:29,674
another of the summer's
tent-pole releases,
2109
01:32:29,718 --> 01:32:32,459
a big budget outing
for DC's Green Lantern,
2110
01:32:32,503 --> 01:32:36,072
proved a significant critical
and commercial failure.
2111
01:32:36,115 --> 01:32:38,857
But Marvel was playing
by its own rules.
2112
01:32:38,901 --> 01:32:41,686
Its multi-film strategy,
which would become known
2113
01:32:41,730 --> 01:32:44,167
as the Marvel
Cinematic Universe,
2114
01:32:44,210 --> 01:32:46,038
saw each
individual release
2115
01:32:46,082 --> 01:32:49,651
function as an installment of
a larger connected series,
2116
01:32:49,694 --> 01:32:52,828
with actors signed on to
portray the same character
2117
01:32:52,871 --> 01:32:54,612
in a large
number of films.
2118
01:32:54,656 --> 01:32:57,876
So you're gearing up for your...
obviously a spin off.
2119
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,705
For Avengers or... what?
2120
01:33:00,749 --> 01:33:02,751
I got a nine-picture deal.
I mean you know...
2121
01:33:02,794 --> 01:33:04,361
You guys know more
about the news than I do.
2122
01:33:04,404 --> 01:33:05,797
I got a nine-picture deal.
2123
01:33:05,841 --> 01:33:07,494
Eventually, I want to make
all nine of them
2124
01:33:07,538 --> 01:33:09,148
or they're gonna kill me.
2125
01:33:09,192 --> 01:33:11,020
[NARRATOR] If Marvel
could pull it off,
2126
01:33:11,063 --> 01:33:12,848
this connected universe
would be
2127
01:33:12,891 --> 01:33:14,545
a revolutionary
achievement.
2128
01:33:14,589 --> 01:33:16,678
And not only
was the strategy unique,
2129
01:33:16,721 --> 01:33:19,332
the studio was also
approaching superhero cinema
2130
01:33:19,376 --> 01:33:22,118
in a fresh way.
2131
01:33:22,161 --> 01:33:25,382
Previously the creative drive
behind many adaptations
2132
01:33:25,425 --> 01:33:27,732
was brought
by distinctive directors -
2133
01:33:27,776 --> 01:33:29,734
from Tim Burton
and Ang Lee
2134
01:33:29,778 --> 01:33:32,171
to Bryan Singer
and Christopher Nolan -
2135
01:33:32,215 --> 01:33:34,783
all of whom offered
their own interpretations
2136
01:33:34,826 --> 01:33:36,785
of the source material.
2137
01:33:36,828 --> 01:33:38,569
Marvel's vision was
in the hands
2138
01:33:38,613 --> 01:33:41,441
of President of Production
Kevin Feige, however,
2139
01:33:41,485 --> 01:33:43,226
and the filmmakers
brought on board
2140
01:33:43,269 --> 01:33:44,575
were expected to serve
2141
01:33:44,619 --> 01:33:46,621
as part
of a much larger project.
2142
01:33:46,664 --> 01:33:48,057
[CHUCK DIXON] They're
bringing in people
2143
01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,798
who are invisible hands.
2144
01:33:49,841 --> 01:33:53,105
If you're into film, you'd go,
"Oh, I see this touch here."
2145
01:33:53,149 --> 01:33:54,541
Or, "That's so Shane Black."
2146
01:33:54,585 --> 01:33:56,413
But the audience
doesn't see that.
2147
01:33:56,456 --> 01:33:59,198
You can't look at it and go,
that's a Shane Black film.
2148
01:33:59,242 --> 01:34:00,896
Whereas in a Tim Burton film,
2149
01:34:00,939 --> 01:34:03,028
you look at one frame and go,
"I think that's Tim Burton."
2150
01:34:03,072 --> 01:34:05,335
They've brought in
invisible hands.
2151
01:34:05,378 --> 01:34:08,599
People like Jon Favreau
Joe Johnston, guys like that
2152
01:34:08,643 --> 01:34:10,601
who know how to deal with...
how to get it done.
2153
01:34:10,645 --> 01:34:12,995
How to get it done on time.
How to work with a cast.
2154
01:34:13,038 --> 01:34:14,823
There's not going
to be any problems.
2155
01:34:14,866 --> 01:34:17,913
Everything in the screenplay
is going to go on the film.
2156
01:34:17,956 --> 01:34:20,916
It's going to be storyboarded,
all kinds of control.
2157
01:34:20,959 --> 01:34:22,352
But I think that's it.
2158
01:34:22,395 --> 01:34:24,963
It's just plain old craft,
that's what it is.
2159
01:34:25,007 --> 01:34:26,748
These guys know how
to make entertaining movies.
2160
01:34:28,793 --> 01:34:31,709
[NARRATOR] The greatest test
of this ambitious project
2161
01:34:31,753 --> 01:34:34,451
came in the
Spring of 2012.
2162
01:34:34,494 --> 01:34:36,714
Having established
their core characters
2163
01:34:36,758 --> 01:34:38,803
in successful solo films,
2164
01:34:38,847 --> 01:34:41,327
Marvel Studios brought
these heroes together
2165
01:34:41,371 --> 01:34:43,765
inThe Avengers.
2166
01:34:43,808 --> 01:34:47,725
Upon its release it broke
box-office records worldwide,
2167
01:34:47,769 --> 01:34:50,249
and became the highest-
grossing superhero film
2168
01:34:50,293 --> 01:34:51,686
of all time.
2169
01:34:55,559 --> 01:34:56,995
[CHUCK DIXON] They
built it film by film.
2170
01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:58,475
They went
from strength to strength.
2171
01:34:58,518 --> 01:35:01,260
As each film was successful,
they began building.
2172
01:35:01,304 --> 01:35:04,524
But the game plan of building
all these disparate films,
2173
01:35:04,568 --> 01:35:07,876
to have the characters meet
again in the big blockbuster,
2174
01:35:07,919 --> 01:35:11,314
that's never been done
before. It's brilliant.
2175
01:35:11,357 --> 01:35:13,577
And it's offering
the audience
2176
01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:16,014
a level of consistency
they haven't seen.
2177
01:35:16,058 --> 01:35:18,974
Well, they can't get it
anywhere else.
2178
01:35:19,017 --> 01:35:20,584
[JEFFREY HENDERSON] The
thing that they've done
2179
01:35:20,627 --> 01:35:23,413
with the interconnected universe
is mind-boggling.
2180
01:35:23,456 --> 01:35:27,896
The fact that they got...
that The Avengers were on film,
2181
01:35:27,939 --> 01:35:30,594
I still can't believe it.
It's been years since it...
2182
01:35:30,637 --> 01:35:32,509
I still can't believe
they pulled that off.
2183
01:35:35,860 --> 01:35:37,296
[GROWL]
2184
01:35:37,340 --> 01:35:39,298
[GROWL]
2185
01:35:40,909 --> 01:35:42,649
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
2186
01:35:44,869 --> 01:35:47,350
[ROSIE FLETCHER] The first
Avengers film was brilliant.
2187
01:35:47,393 --> 01:35:49,265
At the time, I don't think
I'd ever really felt
2188
01:35:49,308 --> 01:35:53,182
such buzz in the cinema about
how this was going to work.
2189
01:35:53,225 --> 01:35:56,098
We weren't sure to be honest
whether it was going to work.
2190
01:35:56,141 --> 01:35:58,143
Certainly for people
who were fans comic books,
2191
01:35:58,187 --> 01:35:59,797
I think it was
an absolute joy
2192
01:35:59,841 --> 01:36:02,757
to finally see these guys
sharing a screen together
2193
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,020
and they were more than
the sum of their parts.
2194
01:36:05,063 --> 01:36:08,327
So together they were better
than they were as individuals.
2195
01:36:10,286 --> 01:36:13,028
[NARRATOR] And the Avengers
even saw Marvel triumph
2196
01:36:13,071 --> 01:36:15,291
with a character
who had previously struggled
2197
01:36:15,334 --> 01:36:18,163
to cross over
to movie audiences.
2198
01:36:18,207 --> 01:36:20,078
As the film's cast
were greeted
2199
01:36:20,122 --> 01:36:22,385
like rockstars
at premieres worldwide,
2200
01:36:22,428 --> 01:36:24,735
amongst them
was Mark Ruffalo,
2201
01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:26,824
the latest
in a long line of actors
2202
01:36:26,868 --> 01:36:31,046
to portray Dr. Bruce Banner
and his alter ego, the Hulk.
2203
01:36:31,089 --> 01:36:32,874
I think the Hulk found a home.
2204
01:36:32,917 --> 01:36:35,485
You could say the whole arc
of the history of the Hulk
2205
01:36:35,528 --> 01:36:39,619
since 1962 was,
"Where will the Hulk belong?"
2206
01:36:39,663 --> 01:36:42,144
Where the Hulk belonged,
surprise, surprise
2207
01:36:42,187 --> 01:36:44,146
was in The Avengers movies,
2208
01:36:44,189 --> 01:36:47,584
because it wasn't just him
hogging up the whole screen.
2209
01:36:47,627 --> 01:36:50,674
He really played off
these other characters.
2210
01:36:50,717 --> 01:36:53,677
Mark Ruffalo's rendition of
Bruce Banner was terrific.
2211
01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:58,638
When you didn't need the Hulk,
you could kind of send him away.
2212
01:36:58,682 --> 01:37:00,684
But when you needed him,
he was very effective.
2213
01:37:02,729 --> 01:37:05,384
Dr. Banner...
2214
01:37:05,428 --> 01:37:08,300
Now might be a really good time
for you to get angry.
2215
01:37:08,344 --> 01:37:10,650
That's my secret, Captain...
2216
01:37:12,609 --> 01:37:14,263
I'm always angry.
2217
01:37:17,309 --> 01:37:18,397
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
2218
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The idea to me of, 'high school
jocks' and the popular kids
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and really anyone other than
'the nerd demographic',
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01:37:33,673 --> 01:37:35,545
grabbing
their buddies together
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01:37:35,588 --> 01:37:39,027
and racing out on opening night
to see a movie where Thor
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01:37:39,070 --> 01:37:42,769
and Captain America and Iron Man
fend off an alien invasion
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was mind-boggling to me.
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And that is unquestionably
Marvel's greatest success
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is that they took these
B-level characters,
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comparatively
B-level characters,
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and made them
into A-level superstars.
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[NARRATOR]
While the Marvel Universe
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was finally being revealed
in all its glory,
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another Superhero series
was ready
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to unveil
its final installment.
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With audiences
still reeling
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01:38:07,272 --> 01:38:08,708
from the impact
of The Avengers,
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01:38:08,752 --> 01:38:10,188
two months later
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01:38:10,232 --> 01:38:12,538
The Dark Knight Rises
was released.
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01:38:12,582 --> 01:38:15,541
With Christian Bale taking
on the mantle of the Bat
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for the last time,
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01:38:16,934 --> 01:38:18,936
he faced off
against fellow British actor
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01:38:18,980 --> 01:38:22,984
Tom Hardy as Bane, a
lesser-known Batman villain
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created by Chuck Dixon
and Graham Nolan,
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who had previously appeared
in 1998's Batman and Robin.
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01:38:30,078 --> 01:38:32,863
Bane comes off a lot better
in Dark Knight Rises
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01:38:32,907 --> 01:38:34,256
than he did in
Batman and Robin.
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01:38:34,299 --> 01:38:35,953
He's not a mindless henchman.
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01:38:35,997 --> 01:38:38,173
They present him
as a mastermind.
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They present him as a bad-ass
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01:38:39,783 --> 01:38:41,524
which is one of
the most important things.
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01:38:41,567 --> 01:38:42,917
He's smart and he's a bad-ass.
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01:38:45,702 --> 01:38:47,182
Bane!
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Let's not stand
on ceremony here...
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...Mr. Wayne.
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01:39:05,940 --> 01:39:07,985
Patience has cost
you your strength.
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01:39:08,029 --> 01:39:09,378
Victory has defeated you.
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01:39:11,684 --> 01:39:13,251
They made him
a household name.
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01:39:13,295 --> 01:39:14,470
Everybody knows
who he is now,
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which I'm still
getting my head around.
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01:39:16,602 --> 01:39:19,475
You know Graham Nolan
and I are like, wow.
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01:39:19,518 --> 01:39:21,912
You know, we just came up
with a crazy idea,
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and here it is
in toys, in key chains
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and pajamas and Halloween
costumes, everything.
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[NARRATOR]
Released in July 2012,
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with an unfamiliar villain
and Heath Ledger's performance
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as the Joker still fresh
in moviegoers' memories,
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01:39:36,144 --> 01:39:39,321
this closing chapter in
Christopher Nolan's trilogy
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had a lot to
live up to...
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[MATT MAYTUM] There is
the issue that The Joker
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was such an impactful
presence inThe Dark Knight
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that you're inevitably going to
miss that side in the next film.
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You obviously kind of
want to see him again.
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And who knows,
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01:39:52,769 --> 01:39:55,250
if things hadn't gone the way
they did with Heath Ledger,
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who knows what would have
happened in the third film.
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But one of the things
I really do like about it is,
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it's one of these
rare superhero films,
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which we just
may never see again,
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that actually
has an ending.
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It has a neat,
wrapped up ending
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that you can feel like
that was where it was going
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fromBatman Begins.
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You actually get quite
an emotional pay-off, I think.
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I never cared who you were.
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Then you were right.
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01:40:20,623 --> 01:40:23,147
Shouldn't the people know
the hero who saved them?
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A hero can be anyone.
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Even a man
who does something
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01:40:25,715 --> 01:40:27,934
as simple and reassuring
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as putting a coat
around a young boy's shoulders
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01:40:30,850 --> 01:40:33,375
to let him know
the world hadn't ended.
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[MELANCHOLIC MUSIC]
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Bruce Wayne.
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[ROSIE FLETCHER]
Nolan stuck to his guns
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and did what he
wanted to do.
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He made a successful arc,
the arc he wanted to tell.
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01:41:00,315 --> 01:41:03,231
It felt consistent,
it looked great.
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Even though as
a standalone,
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I don't think it's as strong
as the other two films.
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01:41:07,235 --> 01:41:08,932
As a set,
I think it will absolutely
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01:41:08,975 --> 01:41:10,455
stand up to the
test of time.
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01:41:10,499 --> 01:41:13,719
Christopher Nolan's Batman
series may be the high point
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of this balance between,
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the filmmaker,
working high cinema art,
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combining, reconciling that
with what fans want to see.
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I think that accomplished it
about as well as films could.
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I don't think any comic book fan
could be disappointed
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with the Christopher
Nolan films.
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And I think any cinema fan,
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recognizes the quality
of what he's doing
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even if they had never read
the comic books themselves.
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[NARRATOR]
In the wake of these
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two billion dollar
grossing behemoths,
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superheroes
took over the world.
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Comic book culture fully
exploded into the mainstream,
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01:41:50,147 --> 01:41:54,151
merchandise flooded into
every conceivable store,
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convention
attendances soared
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01:41:56,284 --> 01:41:58,199
and no one had
to hide their passion
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01:41:58,242 --> 01:42:01,724
like a guilty pleasure
anymore.
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As The X-Men and Spider-Man
series saw reboots
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01:42:04,466 --> 01:42:06,729
that sought to revive
these franchises
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01:42:06,772 --> 01:42:09,427
after unpopular
third installments,
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Marvel Studios' cinematic
output powered ever onwards.
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01:42:13,953 --> 01:42:17,566
With Iron Man 3,
THOR: The Dark World
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01:42:17,609 --> 01:42:20,046
AND CAPTAIN AMERICA:
Winter Soldier
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all opening to
critical praise
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01:42:21,526 --> 01:42:24,442
and ever-increasing
box office returns,
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the spotlight soon fell
upon Kevin Feige.
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As the success of the
interconnected universe
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became ever
more apparent,
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the press celebrated
the mastermind
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behind the curtain.
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For me it was the notion
of reading the Marvel comics
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and not knowing
who would appear in what
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because they all exist
in the same universe.
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And obviously that
hadn't been done before
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01:42:45,115 --> 01:42:47,596
and now that once Marvel...
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We started making our own movies
and we had the entire library.
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I thought, wouldn't it be fun
to start doing that?
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It's very smart.
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The irony for me is that
it's just the Marvel universe.
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It's the same Marvel universe
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that Stan Lee created
in the 1960s.
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And the genius of Kevin Feige
is that he just went,
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"Well, Stan and Jack and Steve
figured it out in the 60s.
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Why mess around with it?"
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[JEFFREY HENDERSON] He's like
the Steve Jobs of movies.
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And I think history is going
to be very kind to that guy,
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when you have the ability
to look back at what he's done
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01:43:19,367 --> 01:43:22,674
in its entirety because
we're still in the middle of it.
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I don't think audiences
can really appreciate
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01:43:25,938 --> 01:43:28,376
the magnitude
of what that guy's built.
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It's staggering.
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[NARRATOR] With comic
book characters
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01:43:32,380 --> 01:43:34,208
dominating
popular culture,
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01:43:34,251 --> 01:43:37,907
in 2013 Warner Brothers
and DC looked to revive
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01:43:37,950 --> 01:43:40,736
the original
blockbuster superhero.
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01:43:40,779 --> 01:43:42,912
With a story by
theBatman Begins team
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01:43:42,955 --> 01:43:45,349
of Christopher Nolan
and David S. Goyer,
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01:43:45,393 --> 01:43:47,786
director Zach Snyder
behind the camera
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01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:51,007
and young British actor Henry
Cavill in the lead role,
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01:43:51,050 --> 01:43:55,403
Man of Steel sought to bring
Superman into the modern age.
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And despite some
negative reactions,
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01:43:58,362 --> 01:44:00,756
its commercial performance
convinced Warners
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to press ahead
with plans for a sequel.
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Yet the success of
The Avengers
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and Marvel's
interconnected universe
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01:44:07,763 --> 01:44:10,156
had sent shockwaves
through the film industry,
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01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,811
and conventional
blockbuster franchises
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no longer seemed
so attractive.
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[SCOTT MENDELSON] Hollywood
gets the idea that
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because The Avengers
did so well,
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they all should be chasing
cinematic universes.
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01:44:24,258 --> 01:44:28,305
and I think that's the negative
impact of The Avengers.
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01:44:28,349 --> 01:44:29,959
One that
we're still feeling today,
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01:44:30,002 --> 01:44:35,225
one that I think may eventually
have terrible repercussions
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01:44:35,269 --> 01:44:37,401
for theatrical
movie-going overall.
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01:44:37,445 --> 01:44:39,098
Because we really
don't have any evidence,
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01:44:39,142 --> 01:44:40,709
we don't have
much evidence
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that audiences actually want
these cinematic universes
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01:44:43,668 --> 01:44:45,757
as opposed to they like
The Avengers.
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01:44:45,801 --> 01:44:49,152
Man of Steelmay have been
intended at the time
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as a stand alone
Superman picture,
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01:44:51,372 --> 01:44:54,418
but between Man of
Steelbeing greenlit
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01:44:54,462 --> 01:44:56,681
and The Avengers making
a billion and a half dollars,
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01:44:56,725 --> 01:44:59,075
they go, yeah, we're going
to eventually make this
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01:44:59,118 --> 01:45:01,382
into what we now know
is the DC films universe
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01:45:01,425 --> 01:45:03,340
for better or worse.
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01:45:03,384 --> 01:45:05,647
[NARRATOR] With Christian
Bale's Dark Knight
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01:45:05,690 --> 01:45:07,910
still fresh
in audiences' memories,
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Warners nevertheless looked
to bring the character
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into the world of
Man of Steel,
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01:45:13,263 --> 01:45:16,222
and aBatman v Superman
project was quickly announced
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01:45:16,266 --> 01:45:18,181
as the next
in a series of films
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01:45:18,224 --> 01:45:21,053
that would include big screen
outings for Wonder Woman,
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01:45:21,097 --> 01:45:24,796
Aquaman and other members
of DC's Justice League.
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01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:27,712
And without a Kevin Feige
pulling the strings
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01:45:27,756 --> 01:45:29,627
and ensuring coherence,
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01:45:29,671 --> 01:45:31,934
the studio looked
to director Zack Snyder
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01:45:31,977 --> 01:45:33,283
to drive the
creative vision
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01:45:33,327 --> 01:45:35,590
for this
interconnected universe.
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01:45:35,633 --> 01:45:38,419
Casting Ben Affleck
as a new Caped Crusader
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01:45:38,462 --> 01:45:40,595
and introducing Gal Gadot
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01:45:40,638 --> 01:45:42,771
as the first big screen
Wonder Woman,
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01:45:42,814 --> 01:45:46,862
upon its release, Batman v
SUPERMAN: Dawn of Justice
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01:45:46,905 --> 01:45:51,823
came under fire from
audiences and critics alike.
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01:45:51,867 --> 01:45:53,477
[SCOTT BEATTY] When you
look at the DC films,
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01:45:53,521 --> 01:45:56,959
certainly there is a lot of
Zack Snyder coming into it.
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01:45:57,002 --> 01:45:58,961
Zack Snyder,
who directed Watchmen,
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01:45:59,004 --> 01:46:04,358
the first real nihilistic
take on superheroes -
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superheroes who are faced
with not winning,
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01:46:06,882 --> 01:46:08,927
the unwinnable situation.
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01:46:08,971 --> 01:46:13,018
With Man of Steel and Batman
v Superman Dawn of Justice
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01:46:13,062 --> 01:46:15,586
those films have gone down
a dark road
2412
01:46:15,630 --> 01:46:17,675
because we don't believe
in the heroes.
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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
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01:46:27,642 --> 01:46:29,426
Next time they shine
your light in the sky
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01:46:30,340 --> 01:46:32,168
don't go to it.
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01:46:32,211 --> 01:46:34,518
The Bat is dead, buried.
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01:46:36,259 --> 01:46:38,304
Consider this mercy.
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01:46:39,871 --> 01:46:41,699
Tell me...
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01:46:45,399 --> 01:46:48,750
Do you bleed?
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[JENNA BUSCH] I've wanted
to see Batman and Superman
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01:46:51,274 --> 01:46:54,277
fight since I was a little kid.
That's so cool.
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01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,453
I should have gone crazy
over this movie.
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01:46:56,497 --> 01:47:00,370
But I feel like
it was just too processed.
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01:47:00,414 --> 01:47:03,199
I think we've gone
too far with the gritty.
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01:47:03,242 --> 01:47:07,246
I think there wasn't any
sense of fun about this movie.
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01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:10,119
It just felt like
Superman was depressed
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01:47:10,162 --> 01:47:12,338
and Batman was angry
and then they fought.
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01:47:12,382 --> 01:47:14,471
Then Wonder Woman
comes in and she's great.
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01:47:14,515 --> 01:47:17,779
Then, we're all angry again
and everyone's depressed.
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01:47:17,822 --> 01:47:21,870
It's just all dark
and it feels dreary.
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01:47:21,913 --> 01:47:24,829
[ROSIE FLETCHER] Dawn
of Justice is a bad film
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01:47:24,873 --> 01:47:26,527
and part of the reason
it's a bad film
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01:47:26,570 --> 01:47:30,139
is because of how
massively it betrays
2434
01:47:30,182 --> 01:47:32,097
both Batman and Superman,
2435
01:47:32,141 --> 01:47:35,797
making them both
into absolute petulant idiots.
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01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,582
They're both violent
and selfish and stupid.
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01:47:38,626 --> 01:47:40,584
And actually it completely
ruins Lois Lane as well
2438
01:47:40,628 --> 01:47:42,717
and makes her into a
terrible damsel in distress
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01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,197
who's a complete liability
for the whole film.
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01:47:45,241 --> 01:47:47,635
It felt like a total betrayal
2441
01:47:47,678 --> 01:47:50,333
of these characters that
we'd loved for such a long time
2442
01:47:50,376 --> 01:47:53,989
and a massive misunderstanding.
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01:47:54,032 --> 01:47:56,948
[NARRATOR] While DC's
attempt to launch a rival
2444
01:47:56,992 --> 01:48:00,474
to Marvel's cinematic universe
proved hugely divisive,
2445
01:48:00,517 --> 01:48:02,432
elsewhere superhero films
2446
01:48:02,476 --> 01:48:04,739
were going
from strength to strength
2447
01:48:04,782 --> 01:48:06,784
and their stock within
the wider film industry
2448
01:48:06,828 --> 01:48:09,526
continued to rise.
2449
01:48:09,570 --> 01:48:12,137
A thoroughly refreshed
X-Men franchise
2450
01:48:12,181 --> 01:48:14,879
saw director Bryan Singer
return to the helm
2451
01:48:14,923 --> 01:48:16,577
and combine
his original heroes
2452
01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:18,579
with a new, younger cast
2453
01:48:18,622 --> 01:48:21,669
inDays of Future Past,
which quickly became
2454
01:48:21,712 --> 01:48:24,976
the most commercially
successful film in the series.
2455
01:48:25,020 --> 01:48:27,370
Elsewhere,
Marvel Studios seemed like
2456
01:48:27,413 --> 01:48:29,111
it could do no wrong,
2457
01:48:29,154 --> 01:48:31,635
and alongside a second
outing forThe Avengers,
2458
01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:33,115
fresh films emerged
2459
01:48:33,158 --> 01:48:35,291
that brought even less
familiar characters
2460
01:48:35,334 --> 01:48:38,555
from the publisher's past
to a global audience.
2461
01:48:38,599 --> 01:48:40,644
[GEOFF BOUCHER] Marvel
Studios, they're on fire.
2462
01:48:40,688 --> 01:48:42,080
WithGuardians
of the Galaxy
2463
01:48:42,124 --> 01:48:45,562
Marvel showed, we can
make a billion with people
2464
01:48:45,606 --> 01:48:48,130
that even comic book fans
don't even know who they are.
2465
01:48:48,173 --> 01:48:50,175
[NEAL ADAMS]
Guardians of the Galaxy,
2466
01:48:50,219 --> 01:48:52,438
a title you can
barely remember
2467
01:48:52,482 --> 01:48:54,136
which was, no
offense guys,
2468
01:48:54,179 --> 01:48:56,312
but one of the worst
comic books ever done
2469
01:48:56,355 --> 01:49:00,490
and they turned it
into a fantastic movie.
2470
01:49:00,534 --> 01:49:02,536
But that's all they had.
2471
01:49:02,579 --> 01:49:05,321
The reason they did it was
because they had nothing else.
2472
01:49:05,364 --> 01:49:07,628
They didn't have
Daredevil, X-Men,
2473
01:49:07,671 --> 01:49:10,587
Spider-Man, Fantastic Four.
2474
01:49:10,631 --> 01:49:12,110
They'd licenced them all out.
2475
01:49:12,154 --> 01:49:14,591
What kind of deal
were they making with Disney?
2476
01:49:14,635 --> 01:49:16,985
Disney in a weird way
bought a pig in a poke.
2477
01:49:17,028 --> 01:49:20,118
But at the same time,
they took that pig in a poke
2478
01:49:20,162 --> 01:49:22,556
and made it into gold.
2479
01:49:23,905 --> 01:49:25,559
Each one of them,
2480
01:49:25,602 --> 01:49:28,474
they're varying degrees
of good and great
2481
01:49:28,518 --> 01:49:30,564
but they haven't had anything
that's overtly terrible.
2482
01:49:30,607 --> 01:49:32,870
They haven't had anything
that's a massive flop.
2483
01:49:32,914 --> 01:49:36,613
They haven't dropped the ball.
Even Ant-Man, for God's sake.
2484
01:49:36,657 --> 01:49:39,703
If you talk about superheroes
that should have never worked
2485
01:49:39,747 --> 01:49:42,140
should have never been
able to work... Ant-Man.
2486
01:49:42,184 --> 01:49:44,316
What's the one movie
that will never work?
2487
01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:47,493
Ant-Man.
And it was great.
2488
01:49:47,537 --> 01:49:51,541
[BRADFORD WRIGHT] In some ways
Ant-Man is the triumphant kiss
2489
01:49:51,585 --> 01:49:54,413
that Marvel can say,
"We've done it."
2490
01:49:54,457 --> 01:49:56,894
That we can even get away
with an Ant-Man movie.
2491
01:49:56,938 --> 01:49:59,549
For so long that would be
a joke. It was a joke.
2492
01:49:59,593 --> 01:50:01,899
Will we ever see
an Ant-Man movie?
2493
01:50:01,943 --> 01:50:04,075
Will we even see
an Ant-Man comic book again?
2494
01:50:04,119 --> 01:50:07,252
The fact that Marvel
was able to pull that off
2495
01:50:07,296 --> 01:50:10,168
in a successful film
again with good casting...
2496
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:13,650
That was Marvel's way
of saying,
2497
01:50:13,694 --> 01:50:17,654
we can get away
with anything.
2498
01:50:17,698 --> 01:50:19,090
[NARRATOR] And in the
preceding years,
2499
01:50:19,134 --> 01:50:21,876
the studio continued
to bring its Midas touch
2500
01:50:21,919 --> 01:50:24,269
to both sequels
and new projects,
2501
01:50:24,313 --> 01:50:27,664
with Doctor Strange
making his cinematic debut
2502
01:50:27,708 --> 01:50:31,625
and Spider-Man finally brought
into the Marvel universe.
2503
01:50:31,668 --> 01:50:34,758
Elsewhere theX-Men
franchise expanded,
2504
01:50:34,802 --> 01:50:37,979
with two groundbreaking movies
aimed at an adult audience.
2505
01:50:38,022 --> 01:50:41,809
Deadpool blended extreme
violence with acerbic comedy
2506
01:50:41,852 --> 01:50:43,811
and became a
global sensation,
2507
01:50:43,854 --> 01:50:47,162
while Logan was Hugh Jackman's
swansong asWolverine,
2508
01:50:47,205 --> 01:50:49,773
the somber closing chapter
for the character
2509
01:50:49,817 --> 01:50:51,732
that had launched
his career.
2510
01:50:51,775 --> 01:50:55,083
Having dominated popular
culture for over a decade,
2511
01:50:55,126 --> 01:50:56,693
in the wake of
these films,
2512
01:50:56,737 --> 01:50:59,522
comic book adaptations still
offered new opportunities
2513
01:50:59,565 --> 01:51:02,133
for both the studios
and cinemagoers.
2514
01:51:02,177 --> 01:51:04,048
And this was nowhere
more apparent
2515
01:51:04,092 --> 01:51:05,528
than in
two revolutionary films
2516
01:51:05,571 --> 01:51:07,225
released by DC and Marvel
2517
01:51:07,269 --> 01:51:09,358
within a 12-month period.
2518
01:51:09,401 --> 01:51:12,535
Wonder Woman finally gave
this 75-year old character
2519
01:51:12,578 --> 01:51:13,884
a film of her own,
2520
01:51:13,928 --> 01:51:16,321
with Patty Jenkins
the first ever woman
2521
01:51:16,365 --> 01:51:19,498
to helm an American studio
superhero movie.
2522
01:51:19,542 --> 01:51:22,110
Marvel's Black Panther,
on the other hand,
2523
01:51:22,153 --> 01:51:26,157
gave Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's
landmark African superhero
2524
01:51:26,201 --> 01:51:28,551
a historic solo vehicle.
2525
01:51:28,594 --> 01:51:31,423
[ROSIE FLETCHER] Studio execs
in the past would have said,
2526
01:51:31,467 --> 01:51:34,775
"We can't do a female led movie
because it won't sell.
2527
01:51:34,818 --> 01:51:37,212
We can't do a movie led
by a person of color,
2528
01:51:37,255 --> 01:51:39,780
or people of color
being the predominant cast
2529
01:51:39,823 --> 01:51:42,608
because it won't sell.
Well, you're wrong.
2530
01:51:42,652 --> 01:51:44,088
[JENNA BUSCH]
People love Wonder Woman.
2531
01:51:44,132 --> 01:51:45,699
You don't have to be
a girl to love Wonder Woman.
2532
01:51:45,742 --> 01:51:47,048
Everybody loves
Wonder Woman.
2533
01:51:47,091 --> 01:51:48,702
I think it's taken so long
to get Wonder Woman
2534
01:51:48,745 --> 01:51:51,269
to the big screen,
because everyone was afraid
2535
01:51:51,313 --> 01:51:52,923
to do a female superhero movie
2536
01:51:52,967 --> 01:51:55,230
and you hold up films like
Catwoman and Elektra
2537
01:51:55,273 --> 01:51:57,362
and say,
"Oh, well, that's what...
2538
01:51:57,406 --> 01:51:58,624
'cause women
can't be superheroes."
2539
01:51:58,668 --> 01:52:01,236
Well, no, they have to be
in good movies.
2540
01:52:01,279 --> 01:52:03,368
I know when Gal
Gadot was cast
2541
01:52:03,412 --> 01:52:04,630
people were
a little concerned.
2542
01:52:04,674 --> 01:52:07,416
"Oh, well, she doesn't
look this way."
2543
01:52:07,459 --> 01:52:08,460
Screw that.
She was fantastic.
2544
01:52:08,504 --> 01:52:10,593
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
2545
01:52:17,513 --> 01:52:19,341
[ROSIE FLETCHER] It was
extremely important
2546
01:52:19,384 --> 01:52:21,299
and extremely significant
as a movie.
2547
01:52:21,343 --> 01:52:23,562
It's ridiculous, quite honestly,
2548
01:52:23,606 --> 01:52:25,782
that we've had
these universes since,
2549
01:52:25,826 --> 01:52:30,004
well, even if we just talk
about MCU and DC it's 2008.
2550
01:52:30,047 --> 01:52:36,532
That's ten years that we haven't
got a single female lead.
2551
01:52:36,575 --> 01:52:38,621
We have secondary
characters around.
2552
01:52:38,664 --> 01:52:40,318
We've got Black Widow
who is amazing
2553
01:52:40,362 --> 01:52:43,147
played by Scarlett Johansson,
one of the most famous,
2554
01:52:43,191 --> 01:52:44,845
bankable actresses
in the world
2555
01:52:44,888 --> 01:52:46,411
and she can't get
her own movie.
2556
01:52:46,455 --> 01:52:47,978
This is absolute insanity.
2557
01:52:48,022 --> 01:52:50,372
Wonder Woman coming out,
2558
01:52:50,415 --> 01:52:51,895
being directed by a woman
2559
01:52:51,939 --> 01:52:55,116
having a very strong
supportive cast of women
2560
01:52:55,159 --> 01:52:57,074
was a very
significant thing.
2561
01:52:57,118 --> 01:52:59,120
[MATT MAYTUM] DC beat
Marvel to the punch
2562
01:52:59,163 --> 01:53:03,211
in terms of getting a female
superhero their first film.
2563
01:53:03,254 --> 01:53:06,823
Then obviously Marvel have
come out with Black Panther
2564
01:53:06,867 --> 01:53:10,218
and I think it is a hugely
important cultural moment
2565
01:53:10,261 --> 01:53:13,482
having this film led by
people of color set in Africa,
2566
01:53:13,525 --> 01:53:17,225
and the film does deal
with issues of race head on.
2567
01:53:17,268 --> 01:53:18,835
[ROSIE FLETCHER] It's not
just that this is led
2568
01:53:18,879 --> 01:53:22,665
by a black guy. The cast
is predominantly black.
2569
01:53:22,708 --> 01:53:24,841
And that actually is
really groundbreaking.
2570
01:53:24,885 --> 01:53:26,843
It's not something
we've seen in that universe.
2571
01:53:26,887 --> 01:53:29,324
It's not something we've seen
in any superhero universe
2572
01:53:29,367 --> 01:53:32,327
or even in fact in any
massive blockbuster universe.
2573
01:53:32,370 --> 01:53:33,807
So it is groundbreaking
2574
01:53:33,850 --> 01:53:35,591
and by giving it
to Ryan Coogler,
2575
01:53:35,634 --> 01:53:37,158
who is a fantastic director,
2576
01:53:37,201 --> 01:53:39,813
who'd made Fruitvale
Station and Creed,
2577
01:53:39,856 --> 01:53:41,379
both with Michael
B. Jordan,
2578
01:53:41,423 --> 01:53:44,078
and it seems giving him
a fairly free reign
2579
01:53:44,121 --> 01:53:45,993
to tell the story
that he wanted to tell,
2580
01:53:46,036 --> 01:53:47,690
what actually you have
2581
01:53:47,733 --> 01:53:50,562
is a very important,
very political,
2582
01:53:52,260 --> 01:53:55,393
really uplifting,
very ground breaking movie
2583
01:53:55,437 --> 01:53:57,874
that does still feel like
a Marvel movie.
2584
01:53:57,918 --> 01:54:01,922
To use the MCU to be
able to talk about issues
2585
01:54:01,965 --> 01:54:07,841
that we probably wouldn't see
in the multiplexes is amazing.
2586
01:54:07,884 --> 01:54:09,190
[NARRATOR]
As the enormity
2587
01:54:09,233 --> 01:54:11,670
of Black Panther's
cultural significance
2588
01:54:11,714 --> 01:54:13,585
and commercial success
has proven,
2589
01:54:13,629 --> 01:54:15,936
superheroes remain
not only popular
2590
01:54:15,979 --> 01:54:19,417
but hugely influential.
2591
01:54:19,461 --> 01:54:22,812
With global audiences still
being introduced to characters
2592
01:54:22,856 --> 01:54:25,902
who have existed in the comics
world for half a century,
2593
01:54:25,946 --> 01:54:27,861
the wealth of heroes
and stories
2594
01:54:27,904 --> 01:54:30,776
yet to make the transition
from the page to the screen
2595
01:54:30,820 --> 01:54:33,867
suggests that
this popularity will endure.
2596
01:54:36,782 --> 01:54:39,307
And although the prominence
of these icons
2597
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:42,005
is at its highest point
since their inception,
2598
01:54:42,049 --> 01:54:43,398
the comic book itself
2599
01:54:43,441 --> 01:54:47,358
has retained
its specialist reputation.
2600
01:54:47,402 --> 01:54:51,319
Never returning to
its sales peak of the 1990s,
2601
01:54:51,362 --> 01:54:53,495
as the print media
becomes less relevant
2602
01:54:53,538 --> 01:54:55,149
in our modern age,
2603
01:54:55,192 --> 01:54:57,542
the artform that launched
this global phenomenon
2604
01:54:57,586 --> 01:55:01,024
remains largely ignored.
2605
01:55:01,068 --> 01:55:03,026
[CHUCK DIXON] As far as
how comics were regarded
2606
01:55:03,070 --> 01:55:05,376
I don't think they were
regarded any different.
2607
01:55:05,420 --> 01:55:06,856
You either like them
or you don't like them.
2608
01:55:06,900 --> 01:55:09,163
A lot of people
just don't like comics.
2609
01:55:09,206 --> 01:55:13,123
And there's thankfully people
who do like them a whole lot.
2610
01:55:15,821 --> 01:55:17,780
[CHRIS CLAREMONT]
For me, the key to it
2611
01:55:17,823 --> 01:55:20,826
is going to New York,
2612
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:23,307
San Diego, wherever,
2613
01:55:23,351 --> 01:55:24,961
and having people
stand in line
2614
01:55:25,005 --> 01:55:27,703
for three or four hours
2615
01:55:27,746 --> 01:55:30,314
and come up and say
I read this book.
2616
01:55:30,358 --> 01:55:33,535
This book is cool.
These characters are cool.
2617
01:55:33,578 --> 01:55:36,103
This book was important to me.
2618
01:55:36,146 --> 01:55:39,497
It helped me through
a period of my life.
2619
01:55:39,541 --> 01:55:41,108
I thought this
book was cool.
2620
01:55:41,151 --> 01:55:43,545
I've given it to my kids.
2621
01:55:43,588 --> 01:55:45,329
We think it's cool too.
2622
01:55:49,377 --> 01:55:51,205
Somehow or other,
2623
01:55:51,248 --> 01:55:52,597
somehow we did
something right.
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