All language subtitles for Rise.of.the.Superheroes.2018.720p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP2.0.H.264-NTG.HI

af Afrikaans
sq Albanian
am Amharic
ar Arabic Download
hy Armenian
az Azerbaijani
eu Basque
be Belarusian
bn Bengali
bs Bosnian
bg Bulgarian
ca Catalan
ceb Cebuano
ny Chichewa
zh-CN Chinese (Simplified)
zh-TW Chinese (Traditional)
co Corsican
hr Croatian
cs Czech
da Danish
nl Dutch Download
en English
eo Esperanto
et Estonian
tl Filipino
fi Finnish
fr French Download
fy Frisian
gl Galician
ka Georgian
de German
el Greek
gu Gujarati
ht Haitian Creole
ha Hausa
haw Hawaiian
iw Hebrew
hi Hindi
hmn Hmong
hu Hungarian
is Icelandic
ig Igbo
id Indonesian Download
ga Irish
it Italian Download
ja Japanese
jw Javanese
kn Kannada
kk Kazakh
km Khmer
ko Korean
ku Kurdish (Kurmanji)
ky Kyrgyz
lo Lao
la Latin
lv Latvian
lt Lithuanian
lb Luxembourgish
mk Macedonian
mg Malagasy
ms Malay
ml Malayalam
mt Maltese
mi Maori
mr Marathi
mn Mongolian
my Myanmar (Burmese)
ne Nepali
no Norwegian Download
ps Pashto
fa Persian
pl Polish
pt Portuguese Download
pa Punjabi
ro Romanian
ru Russian
sm Samoan
gd Scots Gaelic
sr Serbian
st Sesotho
sn Shona
sd Sindhi
si Sinhala
sk Slovak
sl Slovenian
so Somali
es Spanish Download
su Sundanese
sw Swahili
sv Swedish
tg Tajik
ta Tamil
te Telugu
th Thai
tr Turkish Download
uk Ukrainian
ur Urdu
uz Uzbek
vi Vietnamese
cy Welsh
xh Xhosa
yi Yiddish
yo Yoruba
zu Zulu
or Odia (Oriya)
rw Kinyarwanda
tk Turkmen
tt Tatar
ug Uyghur
Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:20,585 --> 00:00:23,197 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 2 00:00:31,292 --> 00:00:33,903 [NARRATOR] Once they were larger-than-life idols 3 00:00:33,946 --> 00:00:35,165 created to entertain children 4 00:00:35,209 --> 00:00:38,168 and were dismissed by the adult world. 5 00:00:38,212 --> 00:00:39,561 But in the new millennium, 6 00:00:39,604 --> 00:00:42,216 characters created over half a century ago 7 00:00:42,259 --> 00:00:45,306 have re-emerged to dominate the box office world wide. 8 00:00:48,874 --> 00:00:51,703 This is the story of how superheroes 9 00:00:51,747 --> 00:00:53,140 have successfully transitioned 10 00:00:53,183 --> 00:00:55,490 from the comic book page to the silver screen 11 00:00:55,533 --> 00:00:57,927 and conquered popular culture... 12 00:00:57,970 --> 00:00:59,233 [CHUCK DIXON] What comics had over movies 13 00:00:59,276 --> 00:01:01,017 is they were ahead of the audience. 14 00:01:01,061 --> 00:01:02,105 They were a rough and ready 15 00:01:02,149 --> 00:01:03,802 cheap to produce medium. 16 00:01:03,846 --> 00:01:05,587 And Hollywood is just now, 17 00:01:05,630 --> 00:01:07,719 50, 60 years later catching up. 18 00:01:08,807 --> 00:01:12,072 Mr. Robert Downey Jr. 19 00:01:13,638 --> 00:01:15,118 [SCOTT MENDELSON] The idea to me 20 00:01:15,162 --> 00:01:18,687 of high school jocks and the popular kids 21 00:01:18,730 --> 00:01:20,210 grabbing their buddies together 22 00:01:20,254 --> 00:01:21,646 and racing out on opening night 23 00:01:21,690 --> 00:01:24,606 to see a movie where Thor and Captain America 24 00:01:24,649 --> 00:01:27,217 and Iron Man fend off an alien invasion 25 00:01:27,261 --> 00:01:30,133 was mind-boggling. 26 00:01:30,177 --> 00:01:32,135 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] There's still an appeal for characters 27 00:01:32,179 --> 00:01:34,137 an audience can see themselves in 28 00:01:34,181 --> 00:01:37,140 but can see what they wish they could do 29 00:01:37,184 --> 00:01:39,882 and just cannot. That they can fly. 30 00:01:39,925 --> 00:01:41,623 That they can swing from webs. 31 00:01:41,666 --> 00:01:43,538 That they can beat up a bully. 32 00:01:43,581 --> 00:01:46,454 And there's just something intrinsically cool 33 00:01:46,497 --> 00:01:48,847 and appealing about superheroes who do that. 34 00:01:48,891 --> 00:01:50,501 This is now exploding. 35 00:01:50,545 --> 00:01:51,850 It is the mainstream. 36 00:02:06,213 --> 00:02:08,824 [NARRATOR] Summer, 1989. 37 00:02:08,867 --> 00:02:10,521 A new phenomenon has arisen 38 00:02:10,565 --> 00:02:14,917 that fuels the imagination of audiences across the globe. 39 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,266 Ever since the first reports 40 00:02:16,310 --> 00:02:19,051 that a new Batman feature film was imminent, 41 00:02:19,095 --> 00:02:21,489 helmed by young director Tim Burton, 42 00:02:21,532 --> 00:02:24,056 anticipation has been high. 43 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:27,277 And now, as the film prepares for general release, 44 00:02:27,321 --> 00:02:29,497 on the streets of cities world wide 45 00:02:29,540 --> 00:02:32,630 its presence is impossible to ignore. 46 00:02:32,674 --> 00:02:36,808 This phenomenon is quickly called "Batmania". 47 00:02:36,852 --> 00:02:38,114 [GEOFF BOUCHER] There really had never been anything 48 00:02:38,158 --> 00:02:40,116 quite like it at that magnitude. 49 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,640 You'd seen merchandise successes, 50 00:02:42,684 --> 00:02:43,946 obviously Star Wars. 51 00:02:43,989 --> 00:02:45,817 You'd seen merchandizing failures. 52 00:02:45,861 --> 00:02:47,819 Dr. Dolittle. 53 00:02:47,863 --> 00:02:49,343 You would see other things follow it 54 00:02:49,386 --> 00:02:50,735 like Dick Tracy. 55 00:02:50,779 --> 00:02:52,781 But this one was different. 56 00:02:57,307 --> 00:02:59,222 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] It was so alien and so crazy 57 00:02:59,266 --> 00:03:01,659 and the anticipation was so high. 58 00:03:01,703 --> 00:03:04,140 I remember when I was a kid and the trailer came out. 59 00:03:04,184 --> 00:03:05,881 I remember being with all my friends 60 00:03:05,924 --> 00:03:07,143 and we just looked at each other. 61 00:03:07,187 --> 00:03:09,232 We paid to go in the theater 62 00:03:09,276 --> 00:03:11,060 just to watch the trailer 'cause there was no Internet. 63 00:03:11,103 --> 00:03:12,931 - Vicki Vale. - Bruce Wayne. 64 00:03:12,975 --> 00:03:14,977 And what do you do for a living? 65 00:03:15,020 --> 00:03:16,805 [GROANS] 66 00:03:16,848 --> 00:03:19,503 [GUNSHOTS] 67 00:03:19,547 --> 00:03:21,026 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] We just sat there 68 00:03:21,070 --> 00:03:22,898 with our mouths open. 69 00:03:22,941 --> 00:03:25,248 What alternate reality did I wake up in 70 00:03:25,292 --> 00:03:27,816 where I'm watching a trailer for a Batmanmovie? 71 00:03:27,859 --> 00:03:30,079 [NARRATOR] And although the focus of this hysteria 72 00:03:30,122 --> 00:03:31,950 was a new feature film, 73 00:03:31,994 --> 00:03:33,909 the release reawakened interest 74 00:03:33,952 --> 00:03:36,259 in the character of Batman himself 75 00:03:36,303 --> 00:03:38,261 and helped revitalize the medium 76 00:03:38,305 --> 00:03:39,697 from which he had emerged - 77 00:03:39,741 --> 00:03:41,743 the comic book. 78 00:03:41,786 --> 00:03:43,484 [JENNA BUSCH] When Tim Burton's Batman came out 79 00:03:43,527 --> 00:03:45,660 people were definitely reading comics, 80 00:03:45,703 --> 00:03:49,403 but it wasn't super cool to be reading comics. 81 00:03:49,446 --> 00:03:52,449 But when that film came out and the marketing started 82 00:03:52,493 --> 00:03:55,147 and you had just that Bat symbol 83 00:03:55,191 --> 00:03:57,237 it looked so cool. It wasn't about the actors. 84 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,500 It was just about the symbol and the character. 85 00:03:59,543 --> 00:04:01,110 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] The whole marketing plan 86 00:04:01,153 --> 00:04:02,720 behind the Tim Burton Batman film 87 00:04:02,764 --> 00:04:05,941 did so much to broaden comic book culture 88 00:04:05,984 --> 00:04:08,552 and superhero culture into all kinds of merchandise 89 00:04:08,596 --> 00:04:10,989 and all kinds of mainstream fashion. 90 00:04:11,033 --> 00:04:12,600 I remember I was in high school 91 00:04:12,643 --> 00:04:13,905 just a few years earlier 92 00:04:13,949 --> 00:04:15,864 and I never wore superhero t-shirts 93 00:04:15,907 --> 00:04:17,779 and I don't remember seeing anybody who did. 94 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:19,476 Then all of a sudden in 1989 95 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,652 everyone's wearing Batman t-shirts. 96 00:04:21,696 --> 00:04:23,785 That's the point where geek culture, if you will, 97 00:04:23,828 --> 00:04:27,049 had started to become cool. 98 00:04:27,092 --> 00:04:29,094 [NARRATOR] The film was released to coincide 99 00:04:29,138 --> 00:04:32,750 with the 50th anniversary of its iconic lead character, 100 00:04:32,794 --> 00:04:35,492 and during Batman's half-century lifespan, 101 00:04:35,536 --> 00:04:37,059 comic books, 102 00:04:37,102 --> 00:04:39,322 and the superheroes portrayed in their pages, 103 00:04:39,366 --> 00:04:42,760 had drifted in and out of mainstream consciousness. 104 00:04:42,804 --> 00:04:45,023 But they had never been 'cool' before, 105 00:04:45,067 --> 00:04:46,547 and from the very inception 106 00:04:46,590 --> 00:04:48,331 of the American comic book industry 107 00:04:48,375 --> 00:04:50,333 in the late 1930s, 108 00:04:50,377 --> 00:04:51,987 they had always been dismissed 109 00:04:52,030 --> 00:04:54,859 as throwaway entertainment for children. 110 00:04:54,903 --> 00:04:57,427 [LAURENCE MASLON] It was an industry pitched to kids. 111 00:04:57,471 --> 00:04:59,647 They were cheap. They cost a dime. 112 00:04:59,690 --> 00:05:02,258 They were sold in drugstores and candy stores. 113 00:05:02,302 --> 00:05:05,043 Kids would show up and would put their dime, 114 00:05:05,087 --> 00:05:06,523 their 20, 30 cents. 115 00:05:06,567 --> 00:05:09,047 They'd roll them up, stick them in their back pocket. 116 00:05:09,091 --> 00:05:10,962 Maybe they'd trade them with friends. 117 00:05:11,006 --> 00:05:13,356 They were basically something you bought 118 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,793 with a soda and a pack of bubble gum. 119 00:05:15,837 --> 00:05:17,404 You stored them under your bed. 120 00:05:17,447 --> 00:05:19,144 And when you grew up 121 00:05:19,188 --> 00:05:23,105 and you were 16 you never read them again. 122 00:05:23,148 --> 00:05:24,324 [NARRATOR] But from the pages 123 00:05:24,367 --> 00:05:26,369 of these children's picture books 124 00:05:26,413 --> 00:05:29,372 would emerge heroes who have endured until the present day. 125 00:05:29,416 --> 00:05:32,593 Although the formative years of the industry were focused 126 00:05:32,636 --> 00:05:35,160 on short strips and comedy characters, 127 00:05:35,204 --> 00:05:38,512 by the late 1930s two of its defining icons 128 00:05:38,555 --> 00:05:42,254 were developed by New York publisher DC comics. 129 00:05:42,298 --> 00:05:44,692 In Action Comics Issue One, 130 00:05:44,735 --> 00:05:47,172 duo Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster 131 00:05:47,216 --> 00:05:49,392 introduced Superman, 132 00:05:49,436 --> 00:05:51,220 and in response the following year 133 00:05:51,263 --> 00:05:54,223 Bob Kane and Bill Finger created Batman. 134 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:56,268 The all-powerful son of Krypton 135 00:05:56,312 --> 00:05:57,922 and the Dark Knight Detective 136 00:05:57,966 --> 00:06:00,925 became archetypes for all of the superheroes 137 00:06:00,969 --> 00:06:02,536 who followed in their wake. 138 00:06:02,579 --> 00:06:04,625 [NEAL ADAMS] When Superman was created 139 00:06:04,668 --> 00:06:08,019 they did create a superhero from another planet 140 00:06:08,063 --> 00:06:11,153 who is in effect almost like a god, but not. 141 00:06:11,196 --> 00:06:13,416 He really wants to be a man. 142 00:06:13,460 --> 00:06:15,070 He really wants to be Clark Kent. 143 00:06:15,113 --> 00:06:17,072 He is the end of the spectrum. 144 00:06:17,115 --> 00:06:19,944 All superheroes are less than him. 145 00:06:19,988 --> 00:06:22,643 Batman is not a superhero at all. 146 00:06:22,686 --> 00:06:24,209 He just wears a costume. 147 00:06:24,253 --> 00:06:26,777 Batman is an everyman 148 00:06:26,821 --> 00:06:29,345 who trained himself to become a great detective 149 00:06:29,389 --> 00:06:30,781 and a great athlete. 150 00:06:30,825 --> 00:06:33,436 All the other comic book superheroes 151 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,091 lie between these two characters. 152 00:06:36,134 --> 00:06:39,834 These are the alpha and omega of our industry. 153 00:06:39,877 --> 00:06:42,010 [NARRATOR] An immediate hit with young readers, 154 00:06:42,053 --> 00:06:45,187 comic book publishers rushed to develop new superheroes 155 00:06:45,230 --> 00:06:49,321 to capitalize on the success of Superman and Batman. 156 00:06:49,365 --> 00:06:51,367 And this creative boom occurred 157 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:54,022 just as another industry was also enjoying 158 00:06:54,065 --> 00:06:56,372 an upsurge of interest from young audiences. 159 00:06:58,069 --> 00:07:00,289 With the advent of sound in cinema, 160 00:07:00,332 --> 00:07:02,073 Hollywood was thriving, 161 00:07:02,117 --> 00:07:04,728 and film companies were looking for new material 162 00:07:04,772 --> 00:07:06,513 to bring to the silver screen. 163 00:07:06,556 --> 00:07:08,602 With their larger-than-life characters 164 00:07:08,645 --> 00:07:11,039 and their dynamic visual style, 165 00:07:11,082 --> 00:07:12,736 comic books represented 166 00:07:12,780 --> 00:07:15,304 an instantly compatible artform. 167 00:07:15,347 --> 00:07:17,785 [CHUCK DIXON] Comics at their best are very cinematic. 168 00:07:17,828 --> 00:07:20,091 If you look at storyboards for movies, 169 00:07:20,135 --> 00:07:21,832 they're comic book pages. 170 00:07:21,876 --> 00:07:24,531 The closer you can get comics 171 00:07:24,574 --> 00:07:27,011 to the feel of a movie and the flow of a movie 172 00:07:27,055 --> 00:07:28,622 the better they are. 173 00:07:28,665 --> 00:07:32,843 Not to say that one medium is superior over the other. 174 00:07:32,887 --> 00:07:35,498 [LAURENCE MASLON] In the late 30s, early 40s 175 00:07:35,542 --> 00:07:38,719 when people went to the movies it was an all-day affair. 176 00:07:38,762 --> 00:07:41,373 You would have an 'A' picture, you'd have a 'B' picture, 177 00:07:41,417 --> 00:07:44,376 you'd have cartoons, shorts, newsreels. 178 00:07:44,420 --> 00:07:47,597 And really far down on the bill was something called a serial. 179 00:07:49,077 --> 00:07:51,079 Flash! 180 00:07:52,254 --> 00:07:54,517 Don't fire. 181 00:07:54,561 --> 00:07:56,258 Save yourself, Flash. 182 00:07:56,301 --> 00:07:58,129 You'll be burned to a cinder. 183 00:07:58,173 --> 00:08:00,175 I'm setting you free first. 184 00:08:00,218 --> 00:08:03,570 He has chosen his own death! 185 00:08:03,613 --> 00:08:05,049 [LAURENCE MASLON] These were the bottom feeders 186 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:08,270 for mostly kids who saw Saturday matinees. 187 00:08:08,313 --> 00:08:10,054 They might be 18 minutes long, 188 00:08:10,098 --> 00:08:11,360 they were black and white, 189 00:08:11,403 --> 00:08:13,928 they were filmed on an absolute shoestring. 190 00:08:13,971 --> 00:08:16,147 They started with westerns. 191 00:08:16,191 --> 00:08:18,019 Flash Gordon crept in in the late 30s 192 00:08:18,062 --> 00:08:20,195 and someone spent an extra $1.50. 193 00:08:20,238 --> 00:08:23,677 Superheroes start appearing on the scene, '38, '39, '40, 194 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,984 so it was a no brainer to try to get them in 195 00:08:27,028 --> 00:08:28,595 to these movies. 196 00:08:28,638 --> 00:08:30,727 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 197 00:08:35,602 --> 00:08:36,907 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] It was pretty logical that 198 00:08:36,951 --> 00:08:38,561 once comic book superheroes did become 199 00:08:38,605 --> 00:08:40,694 very popular and visible 200 00:08:40,737 --> 00:08:42,565 that they would make the transition 201 00:08:42,609 --> 00:08:44,567 or attempt to make the transition to the screen, 202 00:08:44,611 --> 00:08:45,960 to the cinema. 203 00:08:46,003 --> 00:08:48,092 Bob Kane, Bill Finger were very influenced 204 00:08:48,136 --> 00:08:49,703 by Citizen Kane. 205 00:08:49,746 --> 00:08:52,140 Jerry Robinson, an early Batman artist, 206 00:08:52,183 --> 00:08:54,055 took a lot of images from 207 00:08:54,098 --> 00:08:55,535 German expressionist films 208 00:08:55,578 --> 00:08:57,014 and put that intoBatman. 209 00:08:57,058 --> 00:08:59,234 Of course, when a Batman serial did come out, 210 00:08:59,277 --> 00:09:00,975 it didn't look anything like Citizen Kane 211 00:09:01,018 --> 00:09:03,151 or anything like German expressionist films. 212 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,681 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 213 00:09:16,686 --> 00:09:18,383 Oh, a Jap! 214 00:09:20,429 --> 00:09:23,214 It is useless for you to struggle. 215 00:09:23,258 --> 00:09:25,565 My zombies are too strong, 216 00:09:25,608 --> 00:09:30,091 even for a superior person like yourself to cope with. 217 00:09:30,134 --> 00:09:32,920 [NEAL ADAMS] When I was a kid, I watched the Batman serials, 218 00:09:32,963 --> 00:09:34,617 which were terrible. 219 00:09:34,661 --> 00:09:36,837 I watched the Superman serials which were great. 220 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:38,926 I watched all this stuff when I went to the movies 221 00:09:38,969 --> 00:09:40,449 with my friends. 222 00:09:40,492 --> 00:09:41,755 So it wasn't just the comic books 223 00:09:41,798 --> 00:09:43,408 we had rolled up in our back pocket. 224 00:09:43,452 --> 00:09:46,368 It was the serials that we saw on Saturday morning 225 00:09:46,411 --> 00:09:48,152 with the cartoons. 226 00:09:48,196 --> 00:09:52,374 Those things were part of an evolutionary process 227 00:09:52,417 --> 00:09:57,248 that got cut in 1953. 228 00:09:57,292 --> 00:09:59,511 [NARRATOR] Just asSuperman graduated from the serials 229 00:09:59,555 --> 00:10:03,428 to a household name through a successful television show, 230 00:10:03,472 --> 00:10:05,082 comic books fell under the scrutiny 231 00:10:05,126 --> 00:10:07,737 of the US censors. 232 00:10:07,781 --> 00:10:10,914 As national concerns over juvenile delinquency 233 00:10:10,958 --> 00:10:12,481 reached fever pitch, 234 00:10:12,524 --> 00:10:15,092 comic books were singled-out as a bad influence 235 00:10:15,136 --> 00:10:17,921 on young, impressionable minds. 236 00:10:17,965 --> 00:10:20,532 Having entered the mainstream momentarily, 237 00:10:20,576 --> 00:10:23,927 superheroes were once again cast into obscurity. 238 00:10:23,971 --> 00:10:25,668 And here they remained 239 00:10:25,712 --> 00:10:29,890 until the world was turned upside down in the 1960s. 240 00:10:29,933 --> 00:10:32,632 As the Beatles heralded the dawn of a vibrant, 241 00:10:32,675 --> 00:10:36,331 youth-driven popular culture, into this brave new world 242 00:10:36,374 --> 00:10:39,987 came the return to screens of the Dark Knight detective. 243 00:10:40,030 --> 00:10:42,206 And unlike his past incarnation 244 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:43,730 in the movie serials, 245 00:10:43,773 --> 00:10:46,515 this Batman became an international sensation. 246 00:10:47,690 --> 00:10:49,170 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 247 00:10:49,213 --> 00:10:51,346 Yes, Commissioner. 248 00:10:51,389 --> 00:10:53,391 Dreadful news. Catwoman is on the prowl again. 249 00:10:53,435 --> 00:10:54,828 We're on our way. 250 00:10:55,959 --> 00:10:57,395 To the Batpoles. 251 00:10:59,702 --> 00:11:02,662 [BATMAN THEME TUNE] 252 00:11:04,620 --> 00:11:05,839 [LAURENCE MASLON] WhenBatman appeared 253 00:11:05,882 --> 00:11:08,189 on American television in 1966, 254 00:11:08,232 --> 00:11:09,930 no one had really seen Batman. 255 00:11:09,973 --> 00:11:11,671 There were a couple of serials 256 00:11:11,714 --> 00:11:15,718 but this was a full color multi-million dollar 257 00:11:15,762 --> 00:11:18,982 twice weekly television episode. 258 00:11:19,026 --> 00:11:22,551 And the great thing that people forget about the '66 Batman 259 00:11:22,594 --> 00:11:25,510 was it was shown at 7:30 at night 260 00:11:25,554 --> 00:11:29,123 and it was the first superhero thing, media thing 261 00:11:29,166 --> 00:11:32,126 ever pitched at a time when adults could also watch it. 262 00:11:32,169 --> 00:11:34,694 Batman became an adult phenomenon. 263 00:11:34,737 --> 00:11:37,827 It exploded this world of Bat paraphernalia 264 00:11:37,871 --> 00:11:39,133 and Bat merchandise. 265 00:11:39,176 --> 00:11:41,613 I would venture to say that the Batmobile 266 00:11:41,657 --> 00:11:44,921 from the 1966-67 series 267 00:11:44,965 --> 00:11:46,923 is probably still the most recognizable car 268 00:11:46,967 --> 00:11:48,011 in American history. 269 00:11:48,055 --> 00:11:49,709 [EXPLOSIONS] 270 00:11:54,931 --> 00:11:57,847 Just as I thought, she's mined the road with explosives. 271 00:11:57,891 --> 00:11:59,675 No wonder you had me put on the Bat armor. 272 00:11:59,719 --> 00:12:01,633 Gosh, you really think of everything, Batman. 273 00:12:06,073 --> 00:12:08,771 What's that? 274 00:12:08,815 --> 00:12:11,078 Although the Bat armor protected our car, 275 00:12:11,121 --> 00:12:13,254 those landmines blew our tires. 276 00:12:13,297 --> 00:12:15,822 Robin, turn on the automatic tire repair device. 277 00:12:18,868 --> 00:12:21,784 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] In the 1960s, you had theBatman TV show 278 00:12:21,828 --> 00:12:25,440 which was extremely successful, but it was all about camp. 279 00:12:25,483 --> 00:12:28,312 It was walking this line between on the one hand 280 00:12:28,356 --> 00:12:31,925 kids were happy to see their hero on TV 281 00:12:31,968 --> 00:12:34,797 and generally took the adventures at face value, 282 00:12:34,841 --> 00:12:37,365 but, of course, adults were watching it and laughing at it 283 00:12:37,408 --> 00:12:39,280 and by implication laughing 284 00:12:39,323 --> 00:12:41,456 at comic book superheroes in general. 285 00:12:41,499 --> 00:12:42,849 Got you, you thieves! 286 00:12:42,892 --> 00:12:44,633 One move and you're a dead duo. 287 00:12:44,676 --> 00:12:45,895 Holy Bat trap! 288 00:12:45,939 --> 00:12:47,810 Let's fight our way out of this. 289 00:12:52,249 --> 00:12:55,252 [NEAL ADAMS] It was intended to be campy. 290 00:12:55,296 --> 00:12:57,820 It was intended to be a satire. 291 00:12:57,864 --> 00:13:00,605 The writing of the show was stupid and wonderful 292 00:13:00,649 --> 00:13:03,304 at the same time. It was just a fantastic thing. 293 00:13:03,347 --> 00:13:06,786 It wasn't Batman but it was a good satire. 294 00:13:06,829 --> 00:13:08,396 It was inspiring 295 00:13:08,439 --> 00:13:09,701 because you could then look at it and say, 296 00:13:09,745 --> 00:13:12,052 "That's not Batman. 297 00:13:12,095 --> 00:13:14,619 But at least we're doing comic books. 298 00:13:14,663 --> 00:13:16,621 It's beginning, OK." 299 00:13:16,665 --> 00:13:18,841 Who had the foresight to know it's beginning? 300 00:13:18,885 --> 00:13:20,800 Nobody. Not really. 301 00:13:20,843 --> 00:13:22,453 But now we can look back on it and say, 302 00:13:22,497 --> 00:13:24,586 "Yes, it's beginning." 303 00:13:24,629 --> 00:13:28,024 [NARRATOR] While this pop art parody was propelling Batman 304 00:13:28,068 --> 00:13:31,245 into the very heart of the 60s cultural revolution, 305 00:13:31,288 --> 00:13:32,899 in the comic book world, 306 00:13:32,942 --> 00:13:35,423 a new force was transforming the industry 307 00:13:35,466 --> 00:13:38,992 and rewriting the rules - Marvel. 308 00:13:39,035 --> 00:13:40,950 Although the company had its origins 309 00:13:40,994 --> 00:13:43,823 in the comic book boom of the late 1930s, 310 00:13:43,866 --> 00:13:45,650 it was in the 1960s 311 00:13:45,694 --> 00:13:48,088 that it truly made its presence felt, 312 00:13:48,131 --> 00:13:49,829 powered by the remarkable drive 313 00:13:49,872 --> 00:13:52,875 of writer and editor, Stan Lee. 314 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:54,703 In a surge of inspiration, 315 00:13:54,746 --> 00:13:57,967 he created a wealth of very modern superheroes 316 00:13:58,011 --> 00:14:00,883 who proved to have an enduring appeal. 317 00:14:00,927 --> 00:14:03,103 [LAURENCE MASLON] The Hulk, Spider-Man, Daredevil, 318 00:14:03,146 --> 00:14:05,322 The Avengers, Iron Man - 319 00:14:05,366 --> 00:14:06,889 these are the cadre 320 00:14:06,933 --> 00:14:09,239 of great Marvel characters that he created 321 00:14:09,283 --> 00:14:12,242 with Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko almost overnight. 322 00:14:12,286 --> 00:14:15,811 He created them all within two years which is astonishing. 323 00:14:15,855 --> 00:14:19,510 And what Stan Lee did was to take these costume geeks, 324 00:14:19,554 --> 00:14:22,557 these weirdoes, and set them in New York City, 325 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,908 and he could bring in tensions from the 1960s, 326 00:14:25,952 --> 00:14:29,694 radiation, communism, alienation, 327 00:14:29,738 --> 00:14:33,089 and he simply made them psychological and human. 328 00:14:33,133 --> 00:14:36,440 Every Marvel hero, no matter how ridiculous, 329 00:14:37,354 --> 00:14:39,574 tried to have a base 330 00:14:39,617 --> 00:14:44,666 in a reality that the audience could understand. 331 00:14:44,709 --> 00:14:48,713 I had no interest in Clark Kent's life, 332 00:14:48,757 --> 00:14:50,193 or Superman's life. 333 00:14:50,237 --> 00:14:54,545 Bruce Wayne was as far beyond the reality 334 00:14:54,589 --> 00:14:56,286 I was seeing around me 335 00:14:56,330 --> 00:14:59,768 as realistically Donald Trump. 336 00:14:59,811 --> 00:15:03,032 That was what was cool about Spider-Man, 337 00:15:03,076 --> 00:15:04,947 about Peter Parker. 338 00:15:04,991 --> 00:15:06,122 He's a high school student 339 00:15:06,166 --> 00:15:07,776 and he was a high school student 340 00:15:07,819 --> 00:15:10,083 in a way that appealed to geeks - 341 00:15:10,126 --> 00:15:12,868 he wore a tie, a sleeveless vest. 342 00:15:12,912 --> 00:15:16,785 That struck painfully close to home. 343 00:15:16,828 --> 00:15:18,308 [NARRATOR] These Marvel characters 344 00:15:18,352 --> 00:15:20,528 soon became household names, 345 00:15:20,571 --> 00:15:22,704 quickly transferred from the comic book page 346 00:15:22,747 --> 00:15:24,140 to the television set 347 00:15:24,184 --> 00:15:26,751 through successful cartoon series. 348 00:15:26,795 --> 00:15:28,928 Their appeal was largely confined 349 00:15:28,971 --> 00:15:30,625 to the youth market, however, 350 00:15:30,668 --> 00:15:32,801 and superheroes continued to be regarded 351 00:15:32,844 --> 00:15:34,455 as children's entertainment. 352 00:15:36,109 --> 00:15:38,981 This would alter in the following decade. 353 00:15:39,025 --> 00:15:40,591 With a change in ownership, 354 00:15:40,635 --> 00:15:44,160 DC comics had been brought into Warner Communications, 355 00:15:44,204 --> 00:15:45,683 a vast media group 356 00:15:45,727 --> 00:15:48,469 with a powerful film production arm. 357 00:15:48,512 --> 00:15:50,950 This led, in 1978, 358 00:15:50,993 --> 00:15:53,865 to the first superhero blockbuster, 359 00:15:53,909 --> 00:15:56,346 featuring DC's pioneering Man of Steel... 360 00:15:56,390 --> 00:15:59,175 [SUPERMAN THEME MUSIC] 361 00:16:07,575 --> 00:16:09,664 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] While Marvel was outdoing DC 362 00:16:09,707 --> 00:16:11,144 in the comic books 363 00:16:11,187 --> 00:16:13,146 it was totally the opposite in cinema 364 00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:15,409 because DC had the most recognizable characters 365 00:16:15,452 --> 00:16:17,150 for a mass audience. 366 00:16:17,193 --> 00:16:20,457 So when the Christopher Reeve Supermanmovie came out 367 00:16:20,501 --> 00:16:22,633 that was obviously a huge success. 368 00:16:22,677 --> 00:16:24,331 [SCREAMS] 369 00:16:26,898 --> 00:16:28,726 What the hell's that? 370 00:16:30,163 --> 00:16:31,860 Easy, Miss. I've got you. 371 00:16:31,903 --> 00:16:34,906 You... You've got me? Who's got you?! 372 00:16:36,821 --> 00:16:38,171 [ROSIE FLETCHER] It came at a particular time 373 00:16:38,214 --> 00:16:40,129 when big ticket cinema events 374 00:16:40,173 --> 00:16:42,001 were suddenly really appealing to audiences. 375 00:16:42,044 --> 00:16:43,872 The idea of queueing round the block, 376 00:16:43,915 --> 00:16:45,526 hence the 'blockbuster' name, 377 00:16:45,569 --> 00:16:47,441 was something that suddenly became very exciting to people. 378 00:16:47,484 --> 00:16:50,705 And I think he was obviously a very well-known property, 379 00:16:50,748 --> 00:16:53,316 a very famous property, probably the most famous. 380 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,536 And, of course, it is a family film, 381 00:16:55,579 --> 00:16:57,190 but it isn't a kid's film. 382 00:16:57,233 --> 00:16:59,148 [LAURENCE MASLON] Certainly the first and second 383 00:16:59,192 --> 00:17:00,584 Superman movies of the late 70s 384 00:17:00,628 --> 00:17:02,543 with Christopher Reeve, directed by Richard Donner 385 00:17:02,586 --> 00:17:04,458 and then Richard Lester. 386 00:17:04,501 --> 00:17:07,417 They to me are mythic American storytelling. 387 00:17:07,461 --> 00:17:09,158 They roll out his origin. 388 00:17:09,202 --> 00:17:12,640 Superman 2 is a fantastic Greek story 389 00:17:12,683 --> 00:17:15,034 where he has to give up his powers to be happy 390 00:17:15,077 --> 00:17:17,253 or is he going to be unhappy and save the world? 391 00:17:17,297 --> 00:17:18,950 This is mythic stuff. 392 00:17:18,994 --> 00:17:20,735 [NARRATOR] With an all-star cast 393 00:17:20,778 --> 00:17:24,130 and the largest budget ever spent on a feature film, 394 00:17:24,173 --> 00:17:28,090 Superman andSuperman II were shot back to back 395 00:17:28,134 --> 00:17:30,092 and released to enormous commercial 396 00:17:30,136 --> 00:17:32,138 and critical success. 397 00:17:32,181 --> 00:17:35,271 And despite the limitations of visual effects at the time, 398 00:17:35,315 --> 00:17:37,491 as the original film's poster exclaimed, 399 00:17:37,534 --> 00:17:40,798 it made audiences believe that a man could fly. 400 00:17:40,842 --> 00:17:43,888 [SCOTT BEATTY] The challenge to any comic book adaptation 401 00:17:43,932 --> 00:17:45,455 is making it realistic. 402 00:17:45,499 --> 00:17:48,110 For any sci-fi film, for any genre film 403 00:17:48,154 --> 00:17:50,199 that involves fantasy or these elements, 404 00:17:50,243 --> 00:17:52,027 it's the willing suspension of disbelief. 405 00:17:52,071 --> 00:17:55,726 If we can't believe that Christopher Reeve was flying 406 00:17:55,770 --> 00:17:57,467 in the first Supermanfilm, 407 00:17:57,511 --> 00:17:59,469 if we can't believe that these characters have these powers. 408 00:17:59,513 --> 00:18:02,081 But I think more importantly, if we can't believe 409 00:18:02,124 --> 00:18:04,648 that the actor playing it believes 410 00:18:04,692 --> 00:18:07,390 that they are shooting optic beams out of their eyes 411 00:18:07,434 --> 00:18:09,175 or reading the thoughts of others, 412 00:18:09,218 --> 00:18:11,220 or teleporting across vast distances 413 00:18:11,264 --> 00:18:13,744 it's not going to sell to the audience. 414 00:18:13,788 --> 00:18:16,138 [NARRATOR] But Superman didn't start a trend 415 00:18:16,182 --> 00:18:17,792 and in its wake 416 00:18:17,835 --> 00:18:20,795 only a handful of superhero adaptations followed. 417 00:18:20,838 --> 00:18:24,190 In the comics world, however, things were changing. 418 00:18:24,233 --> 00:18:26,235 This was nowhere more apparent 419 00:18:26,279 --> 00:18:27,758 than in the pages of "Batman", 420 00:18:27,802 --> 00:18:30,979 a hero who had undergone a radical rethink 421 00:18:31,022 --> 00:18:34,765 since the camp caricature of the 60s TV show... 422 00:18:34,809 --> 00:18:36,811 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] At first, that had a big impact 423 00:18:36,854 --> 00:18:39,118 on comic book sales of Batman. They really spiked. 424 00:18:39,161 --> 00:18:41,859 But they started to follow the TV show a little bit. 425 00:18:41,903 --> 00:18:43,992 Then when the TV crashed 426 00:18:44,035 --> 00:18:46,777 and the ratings plummeted, and then it was canceled, 427 00:18:46,821 --> 00:18:49,258 the Batman comic books were left in this 428 00:18:49,302 --> 00:18:50,955 'what do we do now?' 429 00:18:50,999 --> 00:18:53,480 Fortunately, I think the writer Denny O' Neil 430 00:18:53,523 --> 00:18:56,178 and Neal Adams took a very different approach. 431 00:18:56,222 --> 00:18:59,181 They took Batman out of the TV show completely. 432 00:18:59,225 --> 00:19:01,227 [LAURENCE MASLON] They went back to the Batman 433 00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:03,794 that appeared in 1939, 1940. 434 00:19:03,838 --> 00:19:05,492 And then got kind of whitewashed out. 435 00:19:05,535 --> 00:19:08,495 It was a dark avenger who only existed at night. 436 00:19:08,538 --> 00:19:10,410 He represented vengeance. 437 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:12,107 He represented retribution. 438 00:19:12,151 --> 00:19:14,109 He led a very tough life. 439 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,459 And you had these solo adventures of Batman 440 00:19:16,503 --> 00:19:18,548 that Frank Miller picked up on 441 00:19:18,592 --> 00:19:22,161 in the early 1980s and turned into the Dark Knightsaga. 442 00:19:22,204 --> 00:19:24,554 [NARRATOR] And it was this darker vision of Batman 443 00:19:24,598 --> 00:19:26,077 that would draw superheroes 444 00:19:26,121 --> 00:19:29,298 into a far grittier world in the 1980s. 445 00:19:29,342 --> 00:19:30,908 With the release 446 00:19:30,952 --> 00:19:32,997 of Frank Miller's seminal graphic novel 447 00:19:33,041 --> 00:19:36,218 Dark Knight Returns and Allan Moore'sKilling Joke, 448 00:19:36,262 --> 00:19:39,221 the comic book successfully transcended its roots 449 00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:42,398 as children's entertainment, and became more adult, 450 00:19:42,442 --> 00:19:45,096 more bleak and often more violent. 451 00:19:45,140 --> 00:19:47,447 In February 1989, 452 00:19:47,490 --> 00:19:49,449 just as trailers began circulating 453 00:19:49,492 --> 00:19:51,320 for the forthcoming feature film, 454 00:19:51,364 --> 00:19:53,061 headlines across America 455 00:19:53,104 --> 00:19:55,846 were focused on the Batman comic itself, 456 00:19:55,890 --> 00:19:57,500 and a four-issue story 457 00:19:57,544 --> 00:20:00,242 that ended with the murder of Robin. 458 00:20:00,286 --> 00:20:01,852 [CHUCK DIXON] You're on this path 459 00:20:01,896 --> 00:20:04,246 where Batman is kind of a bellwether character. 460 00:20:04,290 --> 00:20:09,120 All comics become as mature as Batman, 461 00:20:09,164 --> 00:20:11,514 or they become as dark as Batman. 462 00:20:11,558 --> 00:20:13,168 Batmankind of leads the way. 463 00:20:13,212 --> 00:20:15,692 Obviously when Tim Burton goes to do the character, 464 00:20:15,736 --> 00:20:17,694 and the screenwriter is assigned 465 00:20:17,738 --> 00:20:19,174 and everything else, 466 00:20:19,218 --> 00:20:21,350 they're looking at the current comics 467 00:20:21,394 --> 00:20:23,222 so the character was turning dark. 468 00:20:23,265 --> 00:20:25,441 And then you add Tim Burton to the mix 469 00:20:25,485 --> 00:20:27,530 and you get what Tim Burton brings 470 00:20:27,574 --> 00:20:30,229 and that's how you end up with that movie. 471 00:20:30,272 --> 00:20:33,101 [NARRATOR] As much as the Batman craze of 1989 472 00:20:33,144 --> 00:20:34,972 was driven by publicity, 473 00:20:35,016 --> 00:20:36,496 the film itself was marketed 474 00:20:36,539 --> 00:20:39,455 as the brainchild of director Tim Burton, 475 00:20:39,499 --> 00:20:41,762 and this was key to its appeal. 476 00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:45,287 A gifted filmmaker with a distinctive vision, 477 00:20:45,331 --> 00:20:47,420 he signaled a new Hollywood 478 00:20:47,463 --> 00:20:49,770 that was young, alternative and modern. 479 00:20:50,553 --> 00:20:52,729 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 480 00:20:58,996 --> 00:21:01,999 Ah! 481 00:21:02,043 --> 00:21:04,088 [NEAL ADAMS] Tim Burton's Batman was personal. 482 00:21:05,264 --> 00:21:07,222 He's got a great look. 483 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:09,659 He's got a great sense of things. 484 00:21:09,703 --> 00:21:12,009 It was inviting a creative talent 485 00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:14,490 into the field of doing comic books. 486 00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:18,320 He couldn't have done it in any other way if he tried. 487 00:21:18,364 --> 00:21:21,628 Don't kill me. Don't kill me, man. 488 00:21:21,671 --> 00:21:23,717 Don't kill me. Don't kill me, man! 489 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,763 I'm not going to kill you. I want you to do me a favor. 490 00:21:26,807 --> 00:21:28,722 I want you to tell all your friends about me. 491 00:21:28,765 --> 00:21:30,767 Who are you? 492 00:21:31,594 --> 00:21:33,161 I'm Batman. 493 00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,168 [MUSIC GROWS LOUDER] 494 00:21:40,211 --> 00:21:41,735 [SCOTT BEATTY] What Tim Burton did in his film was 495 00:21:41,778 --> 00:21:45,869 he kept it centered in the Tim Burton universe. 496 00:21:45,913 --> 00:21:47,784 If you look at his long list of films 497 00:21:47,828 --> 00:21:49,351 from A Nightmare Before Christmas 498 00:21:49,395 --> 00:21:52,136 to Beetle juice to Edward Scissor hands 499 00:21:52,180 --> 00:21:54,356 there's a consistency across the board. 500 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,663 It has a Tim Burton DNA. 501 00:21:56,706 --> 00:22:00,231 He was able to bring in the elements of Batman 502 00:22:00,275 --> 00:22:01,929 that people really understood as Batman. 503 00:22:01,972 --> 00:22:03,583 Gotham was dark. 504 00:22:03,626 --> 00:22:06,063 It had an element of danger that was omnipresent 505 00:22:06,107 --> 00:22:10,938 which someone like Batman to wage a war on crime. 506 00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:13,462 He got all the right things right 507 00:22:13,506 --> 00:22:16,639 while still putting the Tim Burton imprint on it. 508 00:22:16,683 --> 00:22:19,076 Yet the film was not without controversy. 509 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:21,209 When it had initially been announced, 510 00:22:21,252 --> 00:22:23,472 comic books fans were outraged over the casting 511 00:22:23,516 --> 00:22:25,996 of Michael Keaton in the lead role, 512 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,130 an actor more associated with comedy than drama. 513 00:22:29,173 --> 00:22:32,176 Yet he proved an inspired choice. 514 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:33,961 Michael Keaton is the last person 515 00:22:34,004 --> 00:22:37,094 you would expect to see as Batman, 516 00:22:37,138 --> 00:22:40,576 looking at any of the actors who played it over the years, 517 00:22:40,620 --> 00:22:42,970 and yet he was perfect. 518 00:22:43,971 --> 00:22:46,452 Excuse me. Excuse me! 519 00:22:46,495 --> 00:22:48,454 Excuse me... 520 00:22:48,497 --> 00:22:49,846 Could you tell me which of these guys 521 00:22:49,890 --> 00:22:52,153 is Bruce Wayne? 522 00:22:52,196 --> 00:22:54,242 Well, I'm not sure. 523 00:22:54,285 --> 00:22:56,244 Thanks anyway. 524 00:22:56,287 --> 00:22:58,855 - Yeah. - Pretty. 525 00:22:58,899 --> 00:23:01,858 Huh? Oh, certainly. Yeah. 526 00:23:01,902 --> 00:23:03,251 [SCOTT MENDELSON] Michael Keaton was 527 00:23:03,294 --> 00:23:04,600 exceptional casting. 528 00:23:04,644 --> 00:23:06,297 Burton always said that 529 00:23:06,341 --> 00:23:09,083 he wanted an unexceptional Bruce Wayne 530 00:23:09,126 --> 00:23:11,520 who would make an extraordinary Batman. 531 00:23:11,564 --> 00:23:14,741 And I think what we saw because of Batman 532 00:23:14,784 --> 00:23:17,874 was the idea that you didn't necessarily need 533 00:23:17,918 --> 00:23:19,746 an action movie star 534 00:23:19,789 --> 00:23:21,530 to make an action movie. 535 00:23:21,574 --> 00:23:23,140 You cast the human alter-ego, 536 00:23:23,184 --> 00:23:25,708 not the superhero. 537 00:23:25,752 --> 00:23:27,231 [NARRATOR] With Jack Nicholson's 538 00:23:27,275 --> 00:23:29,582 scene-stealing performance as the Joker, 539 00:23:29,625 --> 00:23:32,106 Kim Basinger becoming a household name 540 00:23:32,149 --> 00:23:33,716 as love interest Vicki Vale 541 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,065 and a soundtrack album 542 00:23:35,109 --> 00:23:37,764 featuring all new material by Prince, 543 00:23:37,807 --> 00:23:40,767 Batman not only revitalized superhero movies, 544 00:23:40,810 --> 00:23:42,638 but rewrote the rule book 545 00:23:42,682 --> 00:23:46,076 on how to successfully launch a blockbuster franchise. 546 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,513 [SCOTT MENDELSON] It was the first 547 00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:51,473 pre-ordained blockbuster of the modern age. 548 00:23:51,517 --> 00:23:52,953 It was revolutionary. 549 00:23:52,996 --> 00:23:55,259 It broke the opening weekend record by a lot. 550 00:23:55,303 --> 00:23:57,436 It made $100 million in ten days 551 00:23:57,479 --> 00:23:59,002 It showed Hollywood that 552 00:23:59,046 --> 00:24:02,136 there was an entire world of properties 553 00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:05,269 that weren't necessarily originated as film 554 00:24:05,313 --> 00:24:08,490 that can be made into movies. 555 00:24:08,534 --> 00:24:10,013 [NARRATOR] The film industry's focus 556 00:24:10,057 --> 00:24:12,625 was not primarily on comic books, however, 557 00:24:12,668 --> 00:24:14,496 andBatman was seen as a revival 558 00:24:14,540 --> 00:24:17,238 of both a once successful TV series 559 00:24:17,281 --> 00:24:19,588 and of a 40s pulp fiction hero. 560 00:24:19,632 --> 00:24:21,634 Over the coming years, 561 00:24:21,677 --> 00:24:23,331 this would see big screen outings 562 00:24:23,374 --> 00:24:25,464 for Dick Tracy, The Rocketeer 563 00:24:25,507 --> 00:24:27,857 and other icons of the movie serials 564 00:24:27,901 --> 00:24:31,339 as well as adaptations of classic television shows. 565 00:24:31,382 --> 00:24:33,515 Studios were also now aware 566 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,126 of the box office potential of superheroes, 567 00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:38,085 and looked to Marvel for characters 568 00:24:38,128 --> 00:24:40,522 that could translate to the big screen. 569 00:24:40,566 --> 00:24:42,219 But the three films that emerged 570 00:24:42,263 --> 00:24:44,613 in Batman's wake - The Punisher, 571 00:24:44,657 --> 00:24:46,876 Captain America and The Fantastic Four- 572 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,444 were ultra low-budget disappointments 573 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:52,969 that most audiences didn't get a chance to see. 574 00:24:53,013 --> 00:24:54,884 [GEOFF BOUCHER] Marvel comics are sitting right there, 575 00:24:54,928 --> 00:24:57,017 the best-selling comic book in America at that time. 576 00:24:57,060 --> 00:25:00,020 And certainly there must be movies to be made. 577 00:25:00,063 --> 00:25:01,456 Well, there were, there would be. 578 00:25:01,500 --> 00:25:03,066 But the first ones that came out 579 00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:06,156 weren't the ones that anybody wanted to see 580 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,593 and they weren't the ones that 581 00:25:07,636 --> 00:25:08,855 people were particularly proud of. 582 00:25:08,898 --> 00:25:10,944 [MOTORBIKE REVVING] 583 00:25:22,085 --> 00:25:24,610 [LAURENCE MASLON] Everything DC Warner Brothers did right 584 00:25:24,653 --> 00:25:26,699 Marvel did wrong. 585 00:25:26,742 --> 00:25:30,616 Marvel hadn't a clue as to how to merchandise 586 00:25:30,659 --> 00:25:33,706 its amazingly popular franchises. 587 00:25:33,749 --> 00:25:34,533 Get in! 588 00:25:35,272 --> 00:25:36,796 Come on, come on! 589 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:39,450 And they sold off a lot of their characters 590 00:25:39,494 --> 00:25:41,757 to make quick money into movies 591 00:25:41,801 --> 00:25:45,848 that were so ghastly that many of them weren't released. 592 00:25:45,892 --> 00:25:47,676 [NARRATOR] While Marvel characters were failing 593 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,504 to successfully make the transition 594 00:25:49,548 --> 00:25:51,114 to the big screen, 595 00:25:51,158 --> 00:25:53,508 in the comics world they were still thriving, 596 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:56,685 and the industry itself was going through a boom-time. 597 00:25:56,729 --> 00:25:58,774 Thanks to the growing maturity of the medium, 598 00:25:58,818 --> 00:26:01,429 and to a significant shift in youth culture, 599 00:26:01,472 --> 00:26:04,519 comics were suddenly selling in record numbers, 600 00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:05,999 with new publishers 601 00:26:06,042 --> 00:26:08,610 and new titles constantly being launched. 602 00:26:08,654 --> 00:26:10,264 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] All these people 603 00:26:10,307 --> 00:26:13,267 who had been in subcultures in the 1970s and 80s, 604 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:15,225 the Star Trek fans, 605 00:26:15,269 --> 00:26:17,837 the punk fans, the goths, 606 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,403 the comic book fans, 607 00:26:19,447 --> 00:26:22,058 had all existed in their own little cells 608 00:26:22,102 --> 00:26:24,191 and they kind of knew about each other 609 00:26:24,234 --> 00:26:26,062 but were afraid of the outside world 610 00:26:26,106 --> 00:26:28,151 and the outside world didn't know much about them. 611 00:26:28,195 --> 00:26:30,197 Then there was this explosion 612 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,895 into the mainstream in the 1990s. 613 00:26:32,939 --> 00:26:34,854 Certainly you could see it in music. 614 00:26:34,897 --> 00:26:37,552 Indie rock became alternative rock 615 00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:39,946 as punk became grunge. 616 00:26:39,989 --> 00:26:41,643 It was just this huge explosion. 617 00:26:41,687 --> 00:26:43,732 Now that became popular. 618 00:26:43,776 --> 00:26:46,648 Alternative became the thing to be. 619 00:26:46,692 --> 00:26:50,260 I think that helped comic books and comic book fans 620 00:26:50,304 --> 00:26:53,786 grow out of the dingy comic book stores 621 00:26:53,829 --> 00:26:55,352 into a wider mainstream as well. 622 00:26:56,963 --> 00:26:59,226 [CROWDS CHEER] 623 00:26:59,269 --> 00:27:02,490 [NARRATOR] As this subculture pushed into the mainstream, 624 00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:06,146 by the summer of 1992 Michael Keaton's Dark Knight 625 00:27:06,189 --> 00:27:09,976 came to the fore once again inBatman Returns. 626 00:27:10,019 --> 00:27:12,543 And having demonstrated his box office value 627 00:27:12,587 --> 00:27:14,067 with the original, 628 00:27:14,110 --> 00:27:16,112 this time director Tim Burton's imagination 629 00:27:16,156 --> 00:27:17,636 was given free reign 630 00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:21,030 in a far more eccentric take on the DC character. 631 00:27:21,074 --> 00:27:23,163 Pitting Batman against the twin villainy 632 00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:24,817 of Danny DeVito's Penguin 633 00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:26,645 and Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman, 634 00:27:26,688 --> 00:27:30,605 it proved a far more divisive release. 635 00:27:30,649 --> 00:27:33,390 [SCOTT MENDELSON] Batman Returns was a case of 636 00:27:33,434 --> 00:27:37,612 Tim Burton making a gothic fairytale 637 00:27:37,656 --> 00:27:39,701 in the world of Batman. 638 00:27:39,745 --> 00:27:42,965 And something that has always blown my mind 639 00:27:43,009 --> 00:27:45,620 even when I first saw the film and I was 12 years old 640 00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:47,317 is I'm thinking to myself, 641 00:27:47,361 --> 00:27:51,713 if this film wasn't based on characters we all knew 642 00:27:51,757 --> 00:27:55,108 it would be hailed as one of the great arthouse 643 00:27:55,151 --> 00:27:57,850 whacked out fantasy movies of our day. 644 00:27:57,893 --> 00:27:59,373 Eat your heart out, Terry Gilliam. 645 00:27:59,416 --> 00:28:02,028 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 646 00:28:09,992 --> 00:28:12,125 [ROSIE FLETCHER] When I went to see it, I absolutely loved it. 647 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:14,997 First of all, the aesthetic was like nothing I'd seen before. 648 00:28:15,041 --> 00:28:17,521 Certainly nothing in any kind of comic book world. 649 00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:19,610 That gothic nature to it. 650 00:28:19,654 --> 00:28:21,308 It was serious and dark, 651 00:28:21,351 --> 00:28:23,353 but it wasn't bleak. It was still fun. 652 00:28:23,397 --> 00:28:26,574 And for me, as a young teen at this point 653 00:28:26,617 --> 00:28:29,838 and had never really felt as a female that 654 00:28:29,882 --> 00:28:32,623 superheroes or comics were really for me 655 00:28:32,667 --> 00:28:34,756 because in the era I grew up that wasn't something 656 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,453 that a lot of young women did. 657 00:28:36,497 --> 00:28:40,588 So I didn't have a female superhero to idolize, 658 00:28:40,631 --> 00:28:43,722 but what I did have is this amazingly cool woman 659 00:28:43,765 --> 00:28:45,767 who falls out of the window and gets licked by cats 660 00:28:45,811 --> 00:28:48,814 and turns into this incredibly sexy, sassy, 661 00:28:48,857 --> 00:28:51,468 powerful, exciting anti-hero. 662 00:28:51,512 --> 00:28:53,732 I've always been a huge fan of Catwoman. 663 00:28:53,775 --> 00:28:58,432 Always. And to actually see her, not just on the big screen, 664 00:28:58,475 --> 00:28:59,825 not just as a main character, 665 00:28:59,868 --> 00:29:02,784 but actually even addressing the sexism, 666 00:29:02,828 --> 00:29:04,220 that she deals with in the office, 667 00:29:04,264 --> 00:29:05,613 something that seems so... 668 00:29:05,656 --> 00:29:07,267 Well, we haven't quite fixed that. 669 00:29:07,310 --> 00:29:09,008 But seeing her up there was huge 670 00:29:09,051 --> 00:29:10,923 and she was powerful. 671 00:29:10,966 --> 00:29:13,534 She was sexy, which, by the way, is fine. 672 00:29:13,577 --> 00:29:15,231 I loved that costume. 673 00:29:15,275 --> 00:29:17,930 I think it was incredible for a woman had to be sewn into it. 674 00:29:17,973 --> 00:29:20,454 And she absolutely held her own against Batman. 675 00:29:20,497 --> 00:29:21,803 I think it was incredible. 676 00:29:29,376 --> 00:29:30,420 Miaow. 677 00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:31,639 [EXPLOSION] 678 00:29:33,772 --> 00:29:35,817 [SCOTT BEATTY] I think Batman Returns is a decent film 679 00:29:35,861 --> 00:29:38,515 but it started kind of a trend in Batman films. 680 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,998 where the villains became more important than the hero. 681 00:29:43,042 --> 00:29:45,479 Also two villains for the price of one. 682 00:29:45,522 --> 00:29:48,308 That film for me feels less focused 683 00:29:48,351 --> 00:29:49,831 as a Batman film 684 00:29:49,875 --> 00:29:52,138 as it is an exploration of 685 00:29:52,181 --> 00:29:54,096 these very strange characters 686 00:29:54,140 --> 00:29:56,316 as seen through Tim Burton's eyes. 687 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,057 [NARRATOR] And these strange characters 688 00:29:58,100 --> 00:30:00,015 and the sinister tone of the film 689 00:30:00,059 --> 00:30:03,018 that they inhabited limited its wider appeal. 690 00:30:03,062 --> 00:30:04,759 [CHUCK DIXON] I was on Batman books 691 00:30:04,803 --> 00:30:06,369 at the time Batman Returns came out. 692 00:30:06,413 --> 00:30:08,458 And our sales went down, 693 00:30:08,502 --> 00:30:11,766 because parents were so upset at the movie. 694 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,856 They expected to take the kids to see a Batman movie 695 00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:16,249 you could take kids to see. 696 00:30:16,292 --> 00:30:18,817 The Penguin material was so frightening 697 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:21,167 and Catwoman too was so disturbing. 698 00:30:21,210 --> 00:30:23,909 that parents were outraged. 699 00:30:23,952 --> 00:30:26,476 [NARRATOR] Despite a healthy opening box office, 700 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,478 the film suffered from a backlash, 701 00:30:28,522 --> 00:30:30,567 forcing fast-food giant McDonalds 702 00:30:30,611 --> 00:30:33,005 to pull a lucrative merchandizing deal. 703 00:30:33,048 --> 00:30:36,791 Clearly never intended as a family-friendly movie, 704 00:30:36,835 --> 00:30:39,359 Batman Returns proved too mature 705 00:30:39,402 --> 00:30:42,057 for the summer blockbuster market. 706 00:30:42,101 --> 00:30:44,538 But this didn't deter smaller studios 707 00:30:44,581 --> 00:30:47,062 from investing in comic book adaptations, 708 00:30:47,106 --> 00:30:49,021 and the boom in that industry meant 709 00:30:49,064 --> 00:30:53,503 that there were now far more characters to choose from. 710 00:30:53,547 --> 00:30:57,507 Independent publishers like Caliber, Dark Horse and Image 711 00:30:57,551 --> 00:30:59,770 had created a wealth of new heroes, 712 00:30:59,814 --> 00:31:01,120 and while Marvel was struggling 713 00:31:01,163 --> 00:31:03,426 to get its characters on to the screen, 714 00:31:03,470 --> 00:31:06,821 films likeThe Mask, Barb Wire andThe Crow 715 00:31:06,865 --> 00:31:10,259 showcased these more modern creations. 716 00:31:10,303 --> 00:31:11,957 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] The Crow was the first one 717 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,350 where you took a character the public did not know, 718 00:31:14,394 --> 00:31:16,048 was not invested in it at all. 719 00:31:16,091 --> 00:31:18,746 You had a relatively no name cast, 720 00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:20,313 you had a low budget, 721 00:31:20,356 --> 00:31:22,924 and it was this beautiful kick ass movie 722 00:31:22,968 --> 00:31:24,883 and the soundtrack was amazing. 723 00:31:24,926 --> 00:31:26,667 The production design was amazing, 724 00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:31,063 and it was totally its own singular vision of something 725 00:31:31,106 --> 00:31:34,153 that was totally faithful to the book as well. 726 00:31:34,196 --> 00:31:37,199 For those people to make that kind of investment 727 00:31:37,243 --> 00:31:39,723 in a movie on a book that no one knew about 728 00:31:39,767 --> 00:31:40,986 I thought was amazing. 729 00:31:45,686 --> 00:31:46,992 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 730 00:31:51,126 --> 00:31:52,998 [LAUGHING] 731 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:01,571 [SCOTT BEATTY] I think because those characters were new. 732 00:32:01,615 --> 00:32:03,486 I think because The Crow was new. 733 00:32:03,530 --> 00:32:07,186 The rights were much cheaper to obtain than Hollywood. 734 00:32:07,229 --> 00:32:08,839 Timecopwas another film 735 00:32:08,883 --> 00:32:11,755 where you could get an actor like Jean-Claude Van Damme. 736 00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:15,194 who may not be the most fit person to play Timecop 737 00:32:15,237 --> 00:32:16,717 but he worked in the film. 738 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,371 If you look at all those characters, 739 00:32:18,414 --> 00:32:21,026 people who went to the cinema knew the actor 740 00:32:21,069 --> 00:32:22,592 more than they did the character. 741 00:32:22,636 --> 00:32:24,377 So it was very easy for the actor 742 00:32:24,420 --> 00:32:27,641 to impose his persona or her persona 743 00:32:27,684 --> 00:32:29,295 over the character themselves, 744 00:32:29,338 --> 00:32:31,340 which helped to introduce the character to the audience. 745 00:32:33,603 --> 00:32:36,737 [NARRATOR] Los Angeles, 1995. 746 00:32:36,780 --> 00:32:40,088 It has taken three years for Warner Brothers to regroup, 747 00:32:40,132 --> 00:32:41,916 rethink and reimagineBatman. 748 00:32:43,048 --> 00:32:44,832 Reeling from the outrage 749 00:32:44,875 --> 00:32:47,487 at Tim Burton's dark and singular previous outing, 750 00:32:47,530 --> 00:32:50,577 this time they aim squarely at the family market. 751 00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:53,884 Once again, the cast is an impressive ensemble, 752 00:32:53,928 --> 00:32:55,974 with Val Kilmer replacing Michael Keaton 753 00:32:56,017 --> 00:32:57,366 in the lead role, 754 00:32:57,410 --> 00:33:00,500 Oscar-Winner Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face 755 00:33:00,543 --> 00:33:02,502 and Hollywood's top comic actor, 756 00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:04,330 Jim Carrey, as The Riddler, 757 00:33:04,373 --> 00:33:08,290 alongside Nicole Kidman and Chris O'Donnell as Robin. 758 00:33:08,334 --> 00:33:11,902 Behind the camera, ex-costume designer Joel Schumacher 759 00:33:11,946 --> 00:33:14,905 aimed to bring a different vision to the series. 760 00:33:14,949 --> 00:33:17,734 Yet the resultant film, Batman Forever, 761 00:33:17,778 --> 00:33:19,388 although a commercial success, 762 00:33:19,432 --> 00:33:22,174 would prove a creative dead end. 763 00:33:22,217 --> 00:33:24,480 [GEOFF BOUCHER] Once Tim Burton steps back, 764 00:33:24,524 --> 00:33:26,917 what you're left with is, 765 00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:28,745 do we build on what Tim has done 766 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:31,052 or do we go in a new direction? 767 00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:34,490 There's still the influence and power of the memory 768 00:33:34,534 --> 00:33:36,884 of theBatman television show. 769 00:33:36,927 --> 00:33:40,192 So those are the three major directions you can go 770 00:33:40,235 --> 00:33:42,237 with the franchise. 771 00:33:42,281 --> 00:33:43,673 What no one considered was doing 772 00:33:43,717 --> 00:33:45,414 what the comic books were doing, 773 00:33:45,458 --> 00:33:48,243 because Hollywood's attitude towards comic books was, 774 00:33:48,287 --> 00:33:50,158 OK, what's wrong with this thing? 775 00:33:50,202 --> 00:33:51,942 How can we fix it and make it a movie? 776 00:33:51,986 --> 00:33:53,988 Every time they pick up a comic book 777 00:33:54,032 --> 00:33:57,122 their first thought is what are we going to get rid of? 778 00:33:57,165 --> 00:33:59,863 With all these different forces at work 779 00:33:59,907 --> 00:34:02,736 what happened next was Batman Forever. 780 00:34:02,779 --> 00:34:04,781 It was loud, it was brash. 781 00:34:04,825 --> 00:34:06,087 The imperatives were commercial 782 00:34:06,131 --> 00:34:09,482 and there were a lot of one liners. 783 00:34:09,525 --> 00:34:11,266 You called me here for this? 784 00:34:11,310 --> 00:34:14,052 The Bat signal is not a beeper. 785 00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:17,098 While I wish I could say my interest in you was... 786 00:34:17,142 --> 00:34:19,448 ...purely professional. 787 00:34:19,492 --> 00:34:22,060 Are you trying to get under my cape, Doctor? 788 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:25,193 A girl can't live by psychosis alone. 789 00:34:25,237 --> 00:34:27,674 It's the car, right? Chicks love the car. 790 00:34:27,717 --> 00:34:29,328 [SCOTT BEATTY] By the time it got toBatman Forever, 791 00:34:29,371 --> 00:34:32,113 we were still willing to go to see a Batman film. 792 00:34:32,157 --> 00:34:35,334 That's when the Batman films started to slide off the rails. 793 00:34:35,377 --> 00:34:37,031 Again we had two villains. 794 00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:38,554 We had another actor in the Bat suit 795 00:34:38,598 --> 00:34:40,817 who weren't unwilling to accept. 796 00:34:40,861 --> 00:34:43,255 Val Kilmer seemed to sleepwalk through the role. 797 00:34:43,298 --> 00:34:45,474 But he was upstaged by the villains. 798 00:34:45,518 --> 00:34:49,043 Tommy Lee Jones' very Joker like turn as Two-Face. 799 00:34:49,087 --> 00:34:50,610 Let's start this party with a bang. 800 00:34:53,656 --> 00:34:55,702 It was a character who's not like the Joker. 801 00:34:55,745 --> 00:34:58,270 And Jim Carrey being Jim Carrey. 802 00:35:00,576 --> 00:35:02,839 I hope you made extra. 803 00:35:02,883 --> 00:35:04,667 Who the hell are you? 804 00:35:05,668 --> 00:35:07,409 Just a friend. 805 00:35:07,453 --> 00:35:09,063 But you can call me... 806 00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:12,066 ...The Riddler. 807 00:35:14,286 --> 00:35:16,462 It seems Schumacher wanted to impose 808 00:35:16,505 --> 00:35:18,159 his own stylistic vision, 809 00:35:18,203 --> 00:35:20,335 which I think is very much influenced 810 00:35:20,379 --> 00:35:22,163 by the 1960s version. 811 00:35:22,207 --> 00:35:25,340 Again, we went back to the skewed camera angles. 812 00:35:25,384 --> 00:35:28,169 We got a neon approach, 813 00:35:28,213 --> 00:35:31,738 rather than the day-glo colors of the Batman TV series. 814 00:35:31,781 --> 00:35:35,176 Bat nipples. Need I go further? 815 00:35:35,220 --> 00:35:36,482 [NARRATOR] Although more suitable 816 00:35:36,525 --> 00:35:38,048 as family entertainment, 817 00:35:38,092 --> 00:35:40,181 with McDonalds firmly back on board 818 00:35:40,225 --> 00:35:42,052 for the merchandizing tie-in, 819 00:35:42,096 --> 00:35:45,447 this was Batman back in the territory of camp parody 820 00:35:45,491 --> 00:35:47,841 and comics fans and reviewers alike 821 00:35:47,884 --> 00:35:50,017 voiced their disappointment. 822 00:35:50,060 --> 00:35:53,194 When, in 1998, Schumacher returned 823 00:35:53,238 --> 00:35:54,848 with yet another Batman, 824 00:35:54,891 --> 00:35:56,937 George Clooney for the follow-up, 825 00:35:56,980 --> 00:35:59,809 studio hopes were high for another smash hit. 826 00:35:59,853 --> 00:36:01,637 Yet this star-studded spectacle 827 00:36:01,681 --> 00:36:03,335 would become infamous, 828 00:36:03,378 --> 00:36:07,643 regularly voted as one of the worst films ever made. 829 00:36:07,687 --> 00:36:09,254 [EMMA LOGGINS] I don't want to be mean 830 00:36:09,297 --> 00:36:12,213 but I feel like Schumacher single-handedly destroyed 831 00:36:12,257 --> 00:36:13,954 the Batman movie franchise. 832 00:36:13,997 --> 00:36:17,262 In his defense, I don't feel like it was entirely his fault. 833 00:36:17,305 --> 00:36:22,223 I feel like Warner Brothers' lack of understanding 834 00:36:22,267 --> 00:36:24,617 of the story and the characters 835 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:27,794 is why he got away with that interpretation. 836 00:36:29,404 --> 00:36:32,190 But yeah, it's not good. 837 00:36:32,233 --> 00:36:34,192 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 838 00:36:37,238 --> 00:36:39,197 Hi Freeze. I'm Batman. 839 00:37:00,087 --> 00:37:02,959 You're not sending me to the cooler. 840 00:37:03,003 --> 00:37:06,267 [GEOFF BOUCHER] Batman and Robin was the death knell 841 00:37:06,311 --> 00:37:07,834 that would make people realize 842 00:37:07,877 --> 00:37:11,490 you could not treat these movies like a t-shirt shop 843 00:37:11,533 --> 00:37:14,971 and expect people to come in every summer. 844 00:37:15,015 --> 00:37:17,409 I've heard Kevin Feige at Marvel refer to Batman and Robin 845 00:37:17,452 --> 00:37:19,933 as the most important comic book move ever made 846 00:37:19,976 --> 00:37:22,327 because it was so egregiously bad 847 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:25,982 that it signaled that anything was better than this. 848 00:37:26,026 --> 00:37:28,071 So someone came up with the desperate idea 849 00:37:28,115 --> 00:37:30,770 of actually paying attention to the source material 850 00:37:30,813 --> 00:37:33,990 because now there was nothing else to be tried anyway 851 00:37:34,034 --> 00:37:36,384 so we might as well try to do it the way they did it. 852 00:37:36,428 --> 00:37:37,777 [NARRATOR] It would be years 853 00:37:37,820 --> 00:37:40,170 before this new approach came to fruition. 854 00:37:40,214 --> 00:37:41,737 In the meantime, 855 00:37:41,781 --> 00:37:44,914 just as the Batman franchise crashed and burned, 856 00:37:44,958 --> 00:37:48,178 a slump in comic book sales saw the entire industry 857 00:37:48,222 --> 00:37:51,921 go from boom to bust almost overnight. 858 00:37:51,965 --> 00:37:54,446 By the close of 1996, 859 00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:57,884 industry leader Marvel filed for bankruptcy. 860 00:37:57,927 --> 00:37:59,277 With the comics themselves 861 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,235 no longer able to keep it afloat, 862 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:03,977 its only hope lay in the motion pictures 863 00:38:04,020 --> 00:38:05,674 that were currently in development 864 00:38:05,718 --> 00:38:07,502 with film studios at the time, 865 00:38:07,546 --> 00:38:10,375 and with their previous lack of success at the box office, 866 00:38:10,418 --> 00:38:12,333 their chances seemed slim. 867 00:38:12,377 --> 00:38:16,206 And then, in 1998, a film was released 868 00:38:16,250 --> 00:38:19,732 focused on a Marvel character few were even aware of... 869 00:38:19,775 --> 00:38:21,603 ...Blade. 870 00:38:21,647 --> 00:38:25,259 [SCOTT MENDELSON] Blade was Marvel's first successful 871 00:38:25,303 --> 00:38:28,697 cinematic theatrical entry in the comic book superhero world. 872 00:38:28,741 --> 00:38:31,526 But for 99% of people going to that movie 873 00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:34,747 it was, "Oh, it's a Wesley Snipes action-horror movie 874 00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:37,750 where he plays a vampire and he kills vampires." Neat! 875 00:38:39,926 --> 00:38:42,102 It's like a bad dream. 876 00:38:42,145 --> 00:38:44,278 There are worse things out tonight than vampires. 877 00:38:44,322 --> 00:38:45,845 Like what? 878 00:38:45,888 --> 00:38:47,412 Like me. 879 00:38:47,455 --> 00:38:50,415 It was surprising that Marvel's first cinematic hit 880 00:38:50,458 --> 00:38:51,851 turned out to be Blade, 881 00:38:51,894 --> 00:38:53,853 because even within comic book readers 882 00:38:53,896 --> 00:38:56,290 Blade was an obscure character. 883 00:38:56,334 --> 00:38:58,379 He appeared in the Marvel comic 884 00:38:58,423 --> 00:39:01,077 "Tomb of Dracula in the 1970s. 885 00:39:01,121 --> 00:39:02,383 [SCOTT BEATTY] Blade was a character 886 00:39:02,427 --> 00:39:05,604 who was half vampire who hunted vampires. 887 00:39:05,647 --> 00:39:07,388 Being able to describe the character 888 00:39:07,432 --> 00:39:09,434 in two to three sentences is very important. 889 00:39:09,477 --> 00:39:12,262 If you can do that then the audience can accept that. 890 00:39:12,306 --> 00:39:14,047 I think the success of Blade was that 891 00:39:14,090 --> 00:39:15,614 we had an established action star 892 00:39:15,657 --> 00:39:17,485 or somebody who was on the rise as an action star 893 00:39:17,529 --> 00:39:18,834 Wesley Snipes. 894 00:39:18,878 --> 00:39:21,097 And we had a very fun vampire film. 895 00:39:21,141 --> 00:39:23,404 It was probably one of the first films to capitalize 896 00:39:23,448 --> 00:39:25,711 on what would later become the vampire zeitgeist, 897 00:39:25,754 --> 00:39:29,149 minus the romance and sparkles of the twilight series. 898 00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:34,372 [GROANS] 899 00:39:40,726 --> 00:39:43,076 You're one of them, aren't you. 900 00:39:45,165 --> 00:39:48,951 No, I'm something else. 901 00:39:48,995 --> 00:39:50,866 There's an interesting lesson in Blade. 902 00:39:50,910 --> 00:39:54,870 The fact that the character was so relatively unknown. 903 00:39:54,914 --> 00:39:56,263 There is no one that could say, 904 00:39:56,306 --> 00:39:58,613 "Hm, I think it should be more like this." 905 00:39:58,657 --> 00:40:01,355 If you put Superman or Batman on screen 906 00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:03,052 it's almost like a Rorschach test. 907 00:40:03,096 --> 00:40:04,706 You can ask any film executive 908 00:40:04,750 --> 00:40:06,491 what they think a Superman movie should have 909 00:40:06,534 --> 00:40:08,188 and they'll have an answer. 910 00:40:08,231 --> 00:40:10,059 That's not necessarily a good thing. 911 00:40:10,103 --> 00:40:12,714 Ask them what a Blade movie should be like, they don't know. 912 00:40:12,758 --> 00:40:14,412 That could be a good thing. 913 00:40:14,455 --> 00:40:15,804 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] I loveBlade. 914 00:40:15,848 --> 00:40:17,415 I love the character of Blade. 915 00:40:17,458 --> 00:40:19,591 I love the movie Blade and I love Wesley Snipes. 916 00:40:19,634 --> 00:40:21,157 To make that kind of investment... 917 00:40:21,201 --> 00:40:22,942 It was the same thing with The Crow 918 00:40:22,985 --> 00:40:25,031 where you have an obscure character. 919 00:40:25,074 --> 00:40:26,946 On paper it shouldn't work. 920 00:40:26,989 --> 00:40:30,602 And at the time, especially then it shouldn't work 921 00:40:30,645 --> 00:40:32,865 because there was nothing in the pop culture landscape 922 00:40:32,908 --> 00:40:35,171 that would indicate that audiences were hungry 923 00:40:35,215 --> 00:40:38,044 for a black vampire killer from Marvel comics. 924 00:40:38,087 --> 00:40:40,438 A character that didn't even have his own book. 925 00:40:40,481 --> 00:40:43,702 He was an ancillary character from another book. 926 00:40:43,745 --> 00:40:45,834 The fact that they threw down, they made the investment 927 00:40:45,878 --> 00:40:47,836 and they really made it work, I thought it was great. 928 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,056 I wish that movie got more love now 929 00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:52,798 compared to a lot of the Marvel movies that have come out. 930 00:40:52,841 --> 00:40:56,236 None of them would have happened without Blade. 931 00:40:56,279 --> 00:40:58,456 [NARRATOR] Blade provided a glimmer of hope 932 00:40:58,499 --> 00:41:00,240 during Marvel's darkest hour, 933 00:41:00,283 --> 00:41:02,285 not just a success in its own right 934 00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:05,375 but only one of a number of projects being developed 935 00:41:05,419 --> 00:41:07,334 by different studios. 936 00:41:07,377 --> 00:41:08,901 This last minute resurgence 937 00:41:08,944 --> 00:41:10,990 couldn't have been better timed. 938 00:41:11,033 --> 00:41:12,905 Over the previous decade 939 00:41:12,948 --> 00:41:14,994 digital technology had been advancing 940 00:41:15,037 --> 00:41:16,735 at an astonishing rate, 941 00:41:16,778 --> 00:41:18,476 and this evolution had fed directly 942 00:41:18,519 --> 00:41:20,521 into the cinematic world. 943 00:41:20,565 --> 00:41:23,437 FromTerminator 2 andJurassic Park 944 00:41:23,481 --> 00:41:25,526 toTitanic andStarship Troopers, 945 00:41:25,570 --> 00:41:30,226 in the 1990s computer generated imagery, or CGI, 946 00:41:30,270 --> 00:41:31,750 began to enable filmmakers 947 00:41:31,793 --> 00:41:35,362 to realistically portray the previously unfilmable. 948 00:41:35,405 --> 00:41:36,929 At the dawn of the new millennium, 949 00:41:36,972 --> 00:41:39,061 a pioneering film emerged 950 00:41:39,105 --> 00:41:41,324 that was inspired by the comic book form, 951 00:41:41,368 --> 00:41:45,764 and it gave a true indication of the future of cinema. 952 00:41:45,807 --> 00:41:48,810 [GEOFF BOUCHER] What was the first great comic book movie 953 00:41:48,854 --> 00:41:51,378 that signaled what the movies could do? 954 00:41:51,421 --> 00:41:52,771 For me, it'sThe Matrix. 955 00:41:52,814 --> 00:41:54,642 The Matrix is not a comic book adaptation. 956 00:41:54,686 --> 00:41:57,819 I don't care. The Wachowskis came from 957 00:41:57,863 --> 00:42:00,953 the universes of Jack Kirby and Neal Adams 958 00:42:00,996 --> 00:42:02,998 and all the other great comic book people. 959 00:42:03,042 --> 00:42:04,478 They were conversant. 960 00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,088 They understood the physics of it. 961 00:42:06,132 --> 00:42:09,570 They understood the wow factor of it. 962 00:42:09,614 --> 00:42:11,006 They put it on the screen first. 963 00:42:16,272 --> 00:42:18,753 That last scene in the first movie when Neo 964 00:42:18,797 --> 00:42:20,886 launches himself into the sky... 965 00:42:26,152 --> 00:42:27,762 Everybody in the theatre 966 00:42:27,806 --> 00:42:30,460 that owned a box full of comics at home 967 00:42:30,504 --> 00:42:32,245 had the same thought. 968 00:42:32,288 --> 00:42:34,464 That's Superman. That's what is should look like. 969 00:42:34,508 --> 00:42:36,379 That's what we've been wanting to see. 970 00:42:36,423 --> 00:42:38,860 How come I've never seen that in a superhero movie? 971 00:42:38,904 --> 00:42:40,775 [NARRATOR] Yet now the wait was over. 972 00:42:40,819 --> 00:42:43,735 After years of sub-standard, low-budget films 973 00:42:43,778 --> 00:42:46,520 failing to bring the Marvel universe to life, 974 00:42:46,564 --> 00:42:49,305 in 2000 one of its flagship titles 975 00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:51,481 made its transition to the big screen - 976 00:42:51,525 --> 00:42:53,353 The X-Men. 977 00:42:53,396 --> 00:42:56,008 Developed by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby, 978 00:42:56,051 --> 00:42:57,705 it would become the biggest-selling comic 979 00:42:57,749 --> 00:42:59,272 of the 1990s, 980 00:42:59,315 --> 00:43:02,362 although initially it proved less successful... 981 00:43:02,405 --> 00:43:04,059 [LAURENCE MASLON] The X-Men have a long 982 00:43:04,103 --> 00:43:05,626 and convoluted history. 983 00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:08,020 They started as one of the last teams 984 00:43:08,063 --> 00:43:11,197 that Lee and Kirby created in the 1960s. 985 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:15,331 Their book got cancelled every five days 986 00:43:15,375 --> 00:43:17,507 it seemed like through the 60s and 70s. 987 00:43:17,551 --> 00:43:21,294 And then in the hands of Chris Claremont and Dave Cockrum 988 00:43:21,337 --> 00:43:23,513 they had this incredible resurgence. 989 00:43:23,557 --> 00:43:25,690 [CHRIS CLAREMONT] The appeal of the title was simple. 990 00:43:25,733 --> 00:43:29,650 A cool bunch of characters that had just been created 991 00:43:29,694 --> 00:43:32,000 so it was totally virgin territory, 992 00:43:32,044 --> 00:43:34,089 and the chance to work 993 00:43:34,133 --> 00:43:36,135 with one of the best artists in the business, Dave Cockrum. 994 00:43:36,178 --> 00:43:37,963 Spidey had been around for five years. 995 00:43:38,006 --> 00:43:39,312 The FF had been. 996 00:43:39,355 --> 00:43:40,835 Everyone else had continuity. 997 00:43:40,879 --> 00:43:43,011 Everyone else had a clutch of writers 998 00:43:43,055 --> 00:43:44,665 who'd come before 999 00:43:44,709 --> 00:43:47,189 who defined the characters in the series. 1000 00:43:47,233 --> 00:43:53,631 This was virgin territory and it was irresistible. 1001 00:43:53,674 --> 00:43:55,458 [NARRATOR] The X-Men were very different 1002 00:43:55,502 --> 00:43:58,331 from Lee and Kirby's other creations. 1003 00:43:58,374 --> 00:44:01,160 Where their previous heroes had been normal people 1004 00:44:01,203 --> 00:44:03,553 transformed by exposure to cosmic rays 1005 00:44:03,597 --> 00:44:05,686 and radioactive spiders, 1006 00:44:05,730 --> 00:44:07,209 this was a team of mutants 1007 00:44:07,253 --> 00:44:09,124 who were born with their superpowers 1008 00:44:09,168 --> 00:44:11,083 and shunned by society. 1009 00:44:11,126 --> 00:44:14,652 During Claremont's 17-year tenure on the title, 1010 00:44:14,695 --> 00:44:17,089 their struggle proved particularly resonant 1011 00:44:17,132 --> 00:44:19,439 for an ever-growing number of readers. 1012 00:44:19,482 --> 00:44:20,962 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] The X-Men are like 1013 00:44:21,006 --> 00:44:22,660 comic book fans themselves. 1014 00:44:22,703 --> 00:44:26,533 They are a close-knit community of outcasts. 1015 00:44:26,576 --> 00:44:28,622 Within Marvel, there were the Spider-Man, 1016 00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:30,276 The Hulk, Daredevil fans 1017 00:44:30,319 --> 00:44:31,712 and then there were the X-Men fans 1018 00:44:31,756 --> 00:44:33,758 who would have liked the universe to themselves. 1019 00:44:33,801 --> 00:44:36,238 I knew some people who would read The X-Men 1020 00:44:36,282 --> 00:44:37,936 and wouldn't read other comic books. 1021 00:44:37,979 --> 00:44:39,807 They were totally immersed in the X-Men. 1022 00:44:39,851 --> 00:44:41,766 It was like punk rock fans. 1023 00:44:41,809 --> 00:44:43,115 We only to listen to punk. 1024 00:44:43,158 --> 00:44:45,160 We're not going to listen to anything else. 1025 00:44:45,204 --> 00:44:48,163 The X-Men had that kind of effect on comic books. 1026 00:44:48,207 --> 00:44:50,078 [NARRATOR] An X-Men film had been in development 1027 00:44:50,122 --> 00:44:51,689 since the early 90s, 1028 00:44:51,732 --> 00:44:53,821 when Terminator director James Cameron 1029 00:44:53,865 --> 00:44:55,388 was linked to the project, 1030 00:44:55,431 --> 00:44:57,303 and although 20th Century Fox 1031 00:44:57,346 --> 00:44:59,871 had obtained the rights in 1994, 1032 00:44:59,914 --> 00:45:01,350 they were unable to see 1033 00:45:01,394 --> 00:45:03,788 the true value of their acquisition. 1034 00:45:03,831 --> 00:45:06,573 [CHRIS CLAREMONT] Fox couldn't get a handle on the concept. 1035 00:45:06,616 --> 00:45:08,053 So I ended up writing a memo 1036 00:45:08,096 --> 00:45:10,751 to explain to them who are the X-Men, 1037 00:45:10,795 --> 00:45:12,971 what makes it different. 1038 00:45:13,014 --> 00:45:17,236 What I said was, this is not a story about superheroes. 1039 00:45:17,279 --> 00:45:20,413 It is about trying to make a place for yourself 1040 00:45:20,456 --> 00:45:23,546 in a world that frankly doesn't want you. 1041 00:45:25,026 --> 00:45:26,549 And you have to prove to them 1042 00:45:26,593 --> 00:45:29,422 we have value, we have a right to be here. 1043 00:45:29,465 --> 00:45:32,512 With The X-Men, it became mostly a story 1044 00:45:32,555 --> 00:45:36,429 about immigrants coming to America 1045 00:45:36,472 --> 00:45:38,518 and trying to fit in. 1046 00:45:38,561 --> 00:45:40,955 I have here a list of names 1047 00:45:40,999 --> 00:45:42,609 of identified mutants 1048 00:45:42,652 --> 00:45:44,916 living right here in the United States. 1049 00:45:44,959 --> 00:45:47,440 - Senator Kelly. - Now here's a girl in Illinois, 1050 00:45:47,483 --> 00:45:49,268 who can walk through walls. 1051 00:45:49,311 --> 00:45:52,140 Now, what's to stop her from walking into a bank vault? 1052 00:45:52,184 --> 00:45:55,100 or into the White House or into their houses? 1053 00:45:55,143 --> 00:45:57,450 - Senator Kelly! - There are even rumors, 1054 00:45:57,493 --> 00:45:59,800 Ms. Grey, of mutants so powerful 1055 00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:03,412 that they can enter our minds and control our thoughts, 1056 00:46:03,456 --> 00:46:06,067 taking away our God-given free will. 1057 00:46:06,111 --> 00:46:09,244 I think the American people deserve the right to decide 1058 00:46:09,288 --> 00:46:12,770 whether they want their children to be at school with mutants, 1059 00:46:12,813 --> 00:46:14,249 to be taught by mutants. 1060 00:46:14,293 --> 00:46:15,903 [APPLAUSE] 1061 00:46:15,947 --> 00:46:18,079 [CHRIS CLAREMONT] That is a more easily embraceable 1062 00:46:18,123 --> 00:46:20,342 or relatable concept 1063 00:46:20,386 --> 00:46:23,258 and unfortunately more real than, 1064 00:46:23,302 --> 00:46:25,347 it's the adventures of a billionaire 1065 00:46:25,391 --> 00:46:28,568 who wants to fight crime. 1066 00:46:28,611 --> 00:46:31,049 [NARRATOR] With acclaimed young director Bryan Singer 1067 00:46:31,092 --> 00:46:32,398 calling the shots, 1068 00:46:32,441 --> 00:46:34,922 anticipation for the movie ran high, 1069 00:46:34,966 --> 00:46:37,664 yet as withBatman a decade beforehand, 1070 00:46:37,707 --> 00:46:39,274 fans were anxious 1071 00:46:39,318 --> 00:46:41,363 regarding the casting of their favorite character, 1072 00:46:41,407 --> 00:46:44,323 the violent anti-hero Wolverine. 1073 00:46:44,366 --> 00:46:47,326 Initially Dougray Scott was cast in the role, 1074 00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:49,110 but was forced to back out, 1075 00:46:49,154 --> 00:46:51,417 and Singer returned to his original choice, 1076 00:46:51,460 --> 00:46:53,114 Russell Crowe. 1077 00:46:53,158 --> 00:46:56,509 Crowe too was unavailable, but he suggested his friend 1078 00:46:56,552 --> 00:46:59,729 and fellow Australian, Hugh Jackman, for the part, 1079 00:46:59,773 --> 00:47:02,994 an actor most known for his work in musical theatre. 1080 00:47:03,037 --> 00:47:07,172 And like Michael Keaton, he proved an inspired choice. 1081 00:47:07,215 --> 00:47:08,695 [SCOTT BEATTY] I think the success 1082 00:47:08,738 --> 00:47:10,349 of the X-Men films hinged on 1083 00:47:10,392 --> 00:47:12,090 the perfect casting of Wolverine. 1084 00:47:12,133 --> 00:47:14,440 There is no character probably more beloved 1085 00:47:14,483 --> 00:47:16,094 in the Marvel universe, 1086 00:47:16,137 --> 00:47:18,226 a character whose origins were shrouded in mystery 1087 00:47:18,270 --> 00:47:19,532 for the longest time. 1088 00:47:19,575 --> 00:47:21,360 That film lived and died 1089 00:47:21,403 --> 00:47:23,492 on Hugh Jackman playing Wolverine 1090 00:47:23,536 --> 00:47:26,321 in a way that fans could get behind. 1091 00:47:27,801 --> 00:47:30,282 Come on, buddy. This isn't going to work. 1092 00:47:30,325 --> 00:47:32,197 - I know what you are. - You lost your money. 1093 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,852 You keep this up, you lose something else. 1094 00:47:37,071 --> 00:47:38,246 Look out! 1095 00:47:45,775 --> 00:47:47,255 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] Wolverine would not be part 1096 00:47:47,299 --> 00:47:49,257 of the pop culture landscape without Jackman. 1097 00:47:49,301 --> 00:47:52,217 The two are intrinsically tied to each other. 1098 00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:54,393 None of those movies would work without him. 1099 00:47:54,436 --> 00:47:56,699 He's so naturally charismatic 1100 00:47:56,743 --> 00:47:58,701 and he's handsome without being pretty 1101 00:47:58,745 --> 00:48:01,487 and he's manly without being brutish 1102 00:48:01,530 --> 00:48:03,445 and he sells the savagery of it. 1103 00:48:07,145 --> 00:48:08,973 They built this whole franchise 1104 00:48:09,016 --> 00:48:11,279 and this whole ensemble around him. 1105 00:48:11,323 --> 00:48:13,629 He was this unknown Aussie guy that came in from nowhere 1106 00:48:13,673 --> 00:48:16,894 to replace somebody and he made the whole thing. 1107 00:48:16,937 --> 00:48:18,808 [NARRATOR] Like Richard Donner'sSuperman, 1108 00:48:18,852 --> 00:48:21,681 director Singer assembled an ensemble cast, 1109 00:48:21,724 --> 00:48:23,030 including British heavyweights 1110 00:48:23,074 --> 00:48:25,076 Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellen 1111 00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,208 and rising star Halle Berry. 1112 00:48:27,252 --> 00:48:29,080 And in keeping with the comic book, 1113 00:48:29,123 --> 00:48:31,952 the film brought a realistic, dramatic weight 1114 00:48:31,996 --> 00:48:34,476 to its fantastical premise. 1115 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,697 The ambition of X-Men declared itself immediately. 1116 00:48:37,740 --> 00:48:40,613 The movie opens in a Nazi concentration camp 1117 00:48:40,656 --> 00:48:43,224 with a family being marched to their death. 1118 00:48:43,268 --> 00:48:46,662 This was not Ned Beatty making jokes in Metropolis 1119 00:48:46,706 --> 00:48:49,404 This was not Jack Nicholson mugging for the camera. 1120 00:48:49,448 --> 00:48:50,928 This was saying, 1121 00:48:50,971 --> 00:48:53,060 "We're going into the real world. 1122 00:48:53,104 --> 00:48:55,628 We're bringing the real world into this." 1123 00:49:00,850 --> 00:49:02,461 [ANGUISHED SCREAM] 1124 00:49:20,348 --> 00:49:21,915 [SCOTT MENDELSON] The film opened with $55 million 1125 00:49:21,959 --> 00:49:23,438 opening the weekend. 1126 00:49:23,482 --> 00:49:25,963 That was the fifth biggest opening of all time 1127 00:49:26,006 --> 00:49:29,096 and it was the biggest opening weekend ever for a non-sequel. 1128 00:49:29,140 --> 00:49:33,318 Because Bryan Singer didn't have a gazillion dollars 1129 00:49:33,361 --> 00:49:36,103 he had to put the emphasis on the drama 1130 00:49:36,147 --> 00:49:38,888 and the characters and the storytelling. 1131 00:49:38,932 --> 00:49:42,327 That's why that film still holds up, not as an action movie, 1132 00:49:42,370 --> 00:49:43,545 'cause there's very little action in it, 1133 00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:46,287 but it still works as a character drama. 1134 00:49:49,682 --> 00:49:52,554 Are you sneaking around in here, Charles? 1135 00:49:52,598 --> 00:49:54,252 Whatever are you looking for? 1136 00:50:02,129 --> 00:50:04,044 I'm looking for hope. 1137 00:50:05,654 --> 00:50:09,049 I will bring you hope, old friend. 1138 00:50:09,093 --> 00:50:10,964 And I ask only one thing in return. 1139 00:50:14,098 --> 00:50:16,100 Don't get in my way. 1140 00:50:16,143 --> 00:50:17,579 [ROSIE FLETCHER] It's a much more grown up film 1141 00:50:17,623 --> 00:50:19,668 than its predecessors, in many ways 1142 00:50:19,712 --> 00:50:22,541 partly because it tackles big political issues. 1143 00:50:22,584 --> 00:50:25,413 I think it deliberately positioned itself 1144 00:50:25,457 --> 00:50:28,112 as not a film just for children, 1145 00:50:28,155 --> 00:50:30,070 not a film just for fans. 1146 00:50:30,114 --> 00:50:31,941 Something that is an origin story, 1147 00:50:31,985 --> 00:50:33,682 so you don't have to have read the comics. 1148 00:50:33,726 --> 00:50:35,119 But if you have read the comics 1149 00:50:35,162 --> 00:50:36,859 then you get all the joy 1150 00:50:36,903 --> 00:50:39,732 and delight of seeing all these people realized. 1151 00:50:39,775 --> 00:50:42,082 Particularly post-Matrix, the choice of the costumes 1152 00:50:42,126 --> 00:50:43,649 was very interesting. 1153 00:50:43,692 --> 00:50:46,173 So they don't go with the yellow Wolverine suit. 1154 00:50:46,217 --> 00:50:48,219 Everyone's wearing leather, everyone looks cool. 1155 00:50:48,262 --> 00:50:50,177 And again it was a cool film. 1156 00:50:50,221 --> 00:50:51,787 [JENNA BUSCH] There were a lot of women in it. 1157 00:50:51,831 --> 00:50:54,138 WhenX-Men came out as a film 1158 00:50:54,181 --> 00:50:57,054 and you had this sort of 50-50 cast, 1159 00:50:57,097 --> 00:50:58,707 not only were you bringing in the guys 1160 00:50:58,751 --> 00:51:00,231 that were going to see it anyway. 1161 00:51:00,274 --> 00:51:03,103 You had a lot of women who wanted to go and see it too 1162 00:51:03,147 --> 00:51:05,236 because, hey, I want to go see kick ass chicks. 1163 00:51:05,279 --> 00:51:07,368 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 1164 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,556 It was such a huge thrill to see that. 1165 00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,080 I know for a lot of people 1166 00:51:23,123 --> 00:51:26,126 seeing Batman on the big screen was a big deal. 1167 00:51:26,170 --> 00:51:28,389 But for me it was X-Men. 1168 00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:30,957 It was seeing all of these women fighting. 1169 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,481 I loved that. 1170 00:51:33,525 --> 00:51:35,744 [NARRATOR] After its first faltering steps, 1171 00:51:35,788 --> 00:51:37,268 in the wake of X-Men 1172 00:51:37,311 --> 00:51:40,140 the superhero blockbuster was up and running. 1173 00:51:40,184 --> 00:51:43,230 Comic books were suddenly a popular source material 1174 00:51:43,274 --> 00:51:45,014 for a whole range of films, 1175 00:51:45,058 --> 00:51:46,886 and in the new millennium acclaimed works 1176 00:51:46,929 --> 00:51:48,757 such asGhost World 1177 00:51:48,801 --> 00:51:50,716 and the Oscar-winning Road to Perdition 1178 00:51:50,759 --> 00:51:52,196 took non-fantasy comics 1179 00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,502 and turned them into serious cinema. 1180 00:51:56,765 --> 00:51:59,899 In early 2002, the secondBlade film opened 1181 00:51:59,942 --> 00:52:01,553 and became another commercial 1182 00:52:01,596 --> 00:52:03,250 and critical success, 1183 00:52:03,294 --> 00:52:07,646 yet all eyes were focused on the Summer's big release. 1184 00:52:07,689 --> 00:52:09,126 After a short-lived TV series 1185 00:52:09,169 --> 00:52:11,650 and several successful cartoons, 1186 00:52:11,693 --> 00:52:13,913 Marvel's most well-known character 1187 00:52:13,956 --> 00:52:17,438 was making his way to the big screen... 1188 00:52:17,482 --> 00:52:18,787 [LAURENCE MASLON] The Amazing Spider-man was 1189 00:52:18,831 --> 00:52:20,180 one of the most amazing creations 1190 00:52:20,224 --> 00:52:22,008 in comic book history. 1191 00:52:22,051 --> 00:52:26,839 Stan Lee and Steve Ditko put together all the great parts 1192 00:52:26,882 --> 00:52:28,319 of superheroes. 1193 00:52:28,362 --> 00:52:31,148 They took a kid like Robin. 1194 00:52:31,191 --> 00:52:34,194 They took a family tragedy like Batman. 1195 00:52:34,238 --> 00:52:36,283 And they took an alter-ego like Superman. 1196 00:52:36,327 --> 00:52:38,111 And they put it all together. 1197 00:52:38,155 --> 00:52:40,461 And it just absolutely caught fire 1198 00:52:40,505 --> 00:52:43,247 because Spider-Man was the first comic book hero 1199 00:52:43,290 --> 00:52:47,425 with any gravitas who represented the readers. 1200 00:52:47,468 --> 00:52:48,730 The problem with Spider-Man 1201 00:52:48,774 --> 00:52:51,777 from a mass entertainment point of view 1202 00:52:51,820 --> 00:52:54,954 is you could do a couple of cartoons of him swinging 1203 00:52:54,997 --> 00:52:57,217 but he had these powers. He was acrobatic. 1204 00:52:57,261 --> 00:53:00,177 He jumped around. He shot his web shooters. 1205 00:53:00,220 --> 00:53:03,005 And there was a terrible television show in the 70s 1206 00:53:03,049 --> 00:53:07,619 and basically the problem was the technology was so poor. 1207 00:53:07,662 --> 00:53:11,623 until the magical creation of something called CGI. 1208 00:53:11,666 --> 00:53:15,496 More than anything, that's what bailed Marvel out - 1209 00:53:15,540 --> 00:53:19,457 the ability to portray their characters on film 1210 00:53:19,500 --> 00:53:21,981 in a way that looked credible and exciting 1211 00:53:22,024 --> 00:53:24,636 and would bring audiences into the multiplex. 1212 00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:26,203 Look, up there! 1213 00:53:26,246 --> 00:53:28,292 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 1214 00:53:33,384 --> 00:53:34,950 Save my baby, please! 1215 00:53:37,823 --> 00:53:40,608 I sit there on opening night, and I'm thinking, 1216 00:53:40,652 --> 00:53:44,308 this feels unreal, after all these years reading about it. 1217 00:53:44,351 --> 00:53:47,485 Like, I'm actually watching a Spider-Man movie! 1218 00:53:47,528 --> 00:53:49,269 [EMMA LOGGINS] Seeing Spider-Man swinging 1219 00:53:49,313 --> 00:53:50,836 across the screen for the first time 1220 00:53:50,879 --> 00:53:53,969 had as much of an impact on audiences 1221 00:53:54,013 --> 00:53:56,145 as seeing Christopher Reeve fly as Superman 1222 00:53:56,189 --> 00:53:57,625 for the first time. 1223 00:53:57,669 --> 00:54:01,934 It was such an important moment for fans of the comics. 1224 00:54:01,977 --> 00:54:04,371 [NARRATOR] And those fans were secure in the knowledge that, 1225 00:54:04,415 --> 00:54:05,981 for the first time, 1226 00:54:06,025 --> 00:54:07,766 a film adaptation was in the creative hands 1227 00:54:07,809 --> 00:54:12,161 of one of their own - director Sam Raimi. 1228 00:54:12,205 --> 00:54:14,686 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] I've a long history with Sam Raimi. 1229 00:54:14,729 --> 00:54:18,298 I think he's the perfect director for Spider-Man. 1230 00:54:18,342 --> 00:54:21,823 The main thing with Sam is he loves making movies. 1231 00:54:21,867 --> 00:54:23,521 And he loves Spider-Man. 1232 00:54:23,564 --> 00:54:25,871 He's a huge Spider-Man geek. 1233 00:54:25,914 --> 00:54:27,307 He's a huge comic geek. 1234 00:54:27,351 --> 00:54:31,355 Spider-Man, I know he loves it. 1235 00:54:31,398 --> 00:54:33,879 [GEOFF BOUCHER] He came to that project 1236 00:54:33,922 --> 00:54:36,316 with a spirit that had not been seen before 1237 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,710 by a filmmaker adapting a comic book. 1238 00:54:38,753 --> 00:54:42,583 As much as Richard Donner succeeded with Superman, 1239 00:54:42,627 --> 00:54:44,759 he didn't grow up immersed in Superman 1240 00:54:44,803 --> 00:54:46,152 the way Sam Raimi grew up 1241 00:54:46,195 --> 00:54:48,154 immersed in the stories of Stan Lee 1242 00:54:48,197 --> 00:54:49,895 and Steve Ditko and John Romita. 1243 00:54:49,938 --> 00:54:52,376 This is a guy that knew what mattered in Spider-Man 1244 00:54:52,419 --> 00:54:54,943 when he made his choices for the film. 1245 00:54:54,987 --> 00:54:58,077 They weren't processed through a Hollywood filter. 1246 00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,557 [SCOTT BEATTY] I think Sam Raimi is 1247 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,254 the perfect choice to direct Spider-Man. 1248 00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:02,516 If you look at his body of work 1249 00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,301 from "Army of Darkness" to the Evil Dead films, 1250 00:55:04,344 --> 00:55:07,086 he's the kind of guy who appreciates the fun 1251 00:55:07,129 --> 00:55:09,784 in Spider-Man, the fun in comics. 1252 00:55:09,828 --> 00:55:11,482 We look at them with this gravitas 1253 00:55:11,525 --> 00:55:13,310 because they are heroes and they protect us 1254 00:55:13,353 --> 00:55:14,920 from world changing events. 1255 00:55:14,963 --> 00:55:17,792 But there is something inherently fun and exhilarating 1256 00:55:17,836 --> 00:55:20,186 about swinging through the canyons of New York City 1257 00:55:20,229 --> 00:55:24,669 with a spider line and just being a hero. 1258 00:55:26,323 --> 00:55:27,715 [NARRATOR] And in the role of this hero, 1259 00:55:27,759 --> 00:55:30,283 Sam Raimi turned down the studio's choice, 1260 00:55:30,327 --> 00:55:33,460 Freddie Prinz Jr. in favor of Tobey Maguire, 1261 00:55:33,504 --> 00:55:35,897 an actor who had won critical acclaim 1262 00:55:35,941 --> 00:55:37,595 in dramas Pleasantville, 1263 00:55:37,638 --> 00:55:39,771 The Ice Storm and Wonder Boys. 1264 00:55:39,814 --> 00:55:41,381 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] Marvel had a lot riding 1265 00:55:41,425 --> 00:55:43,078 on that first Spider-Man movie. 1266 00:55:43,122 --> 00:55:47,518 So it was extremely important who was cast as Spider-Man, 1267 00:55:47,561 --> 00:55:50,738 Peter Parker, and who was chosen as director. 1268 00:55:50,782 --> 00:55:54,002 I think the choice of Tobey Maguire was perfect. 1269 00:56:06,798 --> 00:56:07,929 [KNOCKING] 1270 00:56:07,973 --> 00:56:10,323 Peter! 1271 00:56:10,367 --> 00:56:12,978 What's going on in there? 1272 00:56:13,021 --> 00:56:15,067 I'm exercising. I'm not dressed, Aunt May. 1273 00:56:15,110 --> 00:56:18,505 Well, you're acting so strangely, Peter. 1274 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:21,856 OK, thanks. 1275 00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:23,641 He was Peter Parker. 1276 00:56:23,684 --> 00:56:25,164 He had the voice and the look. 1277 00:56:25,207 --> 00:56:28,123 That's what I always imagined Peter Parker to be. 1278 00:56:28,167 --> 00:56:28,994 It's perfect. 1279 00:56:29,037 --> 00:56:30,778 The film was the right movie 1280 00:56:30,822 --> 00:56:32,650 at the right place at the right time. 1281 00:56:32,693 --> 00:56:34,913 It was good. 1282 00:56:34,956 --> 00:56:37,263 It was a character driven drama. 1283 00:56:37,306 --> 00:56:41,354 It was focused on Peter Parker and his journey, 1284 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,878 his grief over the death of his Uncle Ben, 1285 00:56:43,922 --> 00:56:47,012 his struggle to get through high school, college, 1286 00:56:47,055 --> 00:56:49,318 and eventually balance all that with being Spider-Man, 1287 00:56:49,362 --> 00:56:52,321 his unrequited love story with Mary Jane. 1288 00:56:52,365 --> 00:56:55,412 Like Batman, it showed that a film 1289 00:56:55,455 --> 00:56:58,023 based on a well-known beloved comic book character 1290 00:56:58,066 --> 00:57:00,982 could blow away all the old box office records. 1291 00:57:01,026 --> 00:57:04,464 [NARRATOR] The first film ever to make over $100 million 1292 00:57:04,508 --> 00:57:06,335 in its opening weekend, 1293 00:57:06,379 --> 00:57:08,773 Spider-Man was further proof that, 1294 00:57:08,816 --> 00:57:12,429 if done right, superheroes were box office gold. 1295 00:57:12,472 --> 00:57:14,082 And for the comic book industry, 1296 00:57:14,126 --> 00:57:16,694 these blockbusters were now bringing their characters 1297 00:57:16,737 --> 00:57:18,913 to an enormous global audience. 1298 00:57:18,957 --> 00:57:21,960 [CHUCK DIXON] Television has exposed people to characters 1299 00:57:22,003 --> 00:57:24,919 they had no idea of what they were about. 1300 00:57:24,963 --> 00:57:26,573 Maybe they knew who they were, 1301 00:57:26,617 --> 00:57:28,749 but until they see the movie they don't understand them. 1302 00:57:28,793 --> 00:57:30,838 I remember seeing the first Spider-Man movie 1303 00:57:30,882 --> 00:57:32,492 the first Sam Raimi Spider-Man movie. 1304 00:57:32,536 --> 00:57:36,148 And when Uncle Ben dies the audience is all torn up. 1305 00:57:36,191 --> 00:57:38,106 - Stay back, stay back! - That's my uncle! 1306 00:57:39,978 --> 00:57:42,894 - What happened? - Car jacker. He's been shot. 1307 00:57:42,937 --> 00:57:45,418 We just called the paramedics. They're on their way. 1308 00:57:45,462 --> 00:57:46,985 Stay back! 1309 00:57:47,028 --> 00:57:48,769 Uncle Ben. 1310 00:57:48,813 --> 00:57:51,250 I've known this story since I was ten years old. 1311 00:57:51,293 --> 00:57:53,470 It obviously affected me when I read it. 1312 00:57:53,513 --> 00:57:56,255 But I never thought about it on a wider audience. 1313 00:57:56,298 --> 00:57:59,824 When Uncle Ben dies, the audience is devastated. 1314 00:58:00,694 --> 00:58:02,522 Whoa! 1315 00:58:02,566 --> 00:58:05,307 Here's where things change. 1316 00:58:05,351 --> 00:58:08,136 When you stay with the core of a comical creation 1317 00:58:08,180 --> 00:58:11,749 that I loved and millions of others loved, 1318 00:58:11,792 --> 00:58:13,577 translate that to film properly 1319 00:58:13,620 --> 00:58:15,535 you're going to make some money. 1320 00:58:15,579 --> 00:58:17,363 [NARRATOR] Aware of the potential profits, 1321 00:58:17,406 --> 00:58:20,714 the Hollywood machine now went into overdrive. 1322 00:58:20,758 --> 00:58:24,762 In the summer of 2003, The Hulk was released, 1323 00:58:24,805 --> 00:58:26,894 and withThe Fantastic Four and Daredevil film 1324 00:58:26,938 --> 00:58:28,374 already in production, 1325 00:58:28,417 --> 00:58:31,333 only six years after facing bankruptcy, 1326 00:58:31,377 --> 00:58:34,641 Stan Lee's creations were now the most in-demand properties 1327 00:58:34,685 --> 00:58:36,164 in the entertainment business. 1328 00:58:37,862 --> 00:58:42,170 The filmmakers suddenly realized there's a market 1329 00:58:42,214 --> 00:58:44,869 for films that are bigger than life 1330 00:58:44,912 --> 00:58:46,827 with colorful heroes 1331 00:58:46,871 --> 00:58:49,177 with wonderful special effects 1332 00:58:49,221 --> 00:58:52,180 and obviously where can you get better things than that 1333 00:58:52,224 --> 00:58:55,183 than in comics, especially in Marvel Comics. 1334 00:58:59,057 --> 00:59:00,406 [LAURENCE MASLON] The Hulk was 1335 00:59:00,449 --> 00:59:03,104 the second Marvel Comics creation 1336 00:59:03,148 --> 00:59:05,803 between Stan Lee and Jack Kirby in the 60s. 1337 00:59:05,846 --> 00:59:08,501 Again, in terms of archetypes, who is he? 1338 00:59:08,545 --> 00:59:10,764 He is Frankenstein, 1339 00:59:10,808 --> 00:59:12,810 with Jekyll and Hyde kind of mixed in. 1340 00:59:12,853 --> 00:59:15,943 The skinny doctor who gets bombarded by gamma rays 1341 00:59:15,987 --> 00:59:17,989 and turns into this hulking brute 1342 00:59:18,032 --> 00:59:21,166 and he has no interest in defending civil liberty 1343 00:59:21,209 --> 00:59:23,168 or civil virtues or America in any way. 1344 00:59:23,211 --> 00:59:24,865 He's utterly out for himself. 1345 00:59:24,909 --> 00:59:26,127 [EERIE MUSIC] 1346 00:59:30,349 --> 00:59:31,698 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] The Incredible Hulk 1347 00:59:31,742 --> 00:59:33,613 was Marvel's first big television success 1348 00:59:33,657 --> 00:59:36,137 in the late 70s and early 80s. 1349 00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:41,490 It was well-acted and it took the same sort of theme 1350 00:59:41,534 --> 00:59:44,189 as The Fugitive, the 60s TV show, 1351 00:59:44,232 --> 00:59:46,583 and there was a tragic theme about it 1352 00:59:46,626 --> 00:59:48,628 which I think was true to the comic book. 1353 00:59:48,672 --> 00:59:51,152 He was a different kind of superhero - 1354 00:59:51,196 --> 00:59:54,503 somebody who didn't want the powers that he had. 1355 00:59:54,547 --> 00:59:57,158 And the TV show, even though, comic book fans 1356 00:59:57,202 --> 00:59:59,160 had a lot to quibble with, 1357 00:59:59,204 --> 01:00:01,467 I think it was very successful for its medium for its time. 1358 01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:03,774 But translating The Hulk into the big screen 1359 01:00:03,817 --> 01:00:05,602 of course you wanted more than that. 1360 01:00:05,645 --> 01:00:08,605 Now you could have a bigger Hulk, a much stronger Hulk, 1361 01:00:08,648 --> 01:00:10,607 truer to the comic books. 1362 01:00:10,650 --> 01:00:12,826 [NARRATOR] But being true to the comic books 1363 01:00:12,870 --> 01:00:14,393 wasn't the primary intention 1364 01:00:14,436 --> 01:00:17,396 for the creative team behind 2003's Hulk. 1365 01:00:17,439 --> 01:00:20,268 Award-winning Taiwanese filmmaker Ang Lee 1366 01:00:20,312 --> 01:00:21,835 was the most critically acclaimed 1367 01:00:21,879 --> 01:00:24,011 and internationally celebrated director 1368 01:00:24,055 --> 01:00:26,361 ever to take on a superhero adaptation. 1369 01:00:26,405 --> 01:00:30,148 His film was more interested in psychology than action, 1370 01:00:30,191 --> 01:00:32,280 its script steeped in allusions 1371 01:00:32,324 --> 01:00:34,979 to literary classics and mythology. 1372 01:00:35,022 --> 01:00:38,460 I loved Hulkin 2003. I loved it. 1373 01:00:38,504 --> 01:00:41,246 If I hadn't wanted to go see the film 1374 01:00:41,289 --> 01:00:43,901 because I watched the TV show, which I did, 1375 01:00:43,944 --> 01:00:45,467 so I already loved Hulk, 1376 01:00:45,511 --> 01:00:47,426 I would have gone because of the director. 1377 01:00:47,469 --> 01:00:50,211 At that point, it was pretty obvious 1378 01:00:50,255 --> 01:00:52,561 that comic book films were going to keep going. 1379 01:00:52,605 --> 01:00:55,173 And so I think it was a really interesting choice 1380 01:00:55,216 --> 01:00:57,523 to take a director like Ang Lee and say, 1381 01:00:57,566 --> 01:01:00,831 "Here is a big, green guy who wears purple pants. 1382 01:01:00,874 --> 01:01:02,049 Do what you want with him." 1383 01:01:02,093 --> 01:01:04,095 The gamma's too high. 1384 01:01:04,138 --> 01:01:05,923 Bruce, I can't stop it. 1385 01:01:05,966 --> 01:01:07,794 [WHIRRING] 1386 01:01:08,969 --> 01:01:10,667 Harper, get out! 1387 01:01:11,493 --> 01:01:13,104 Get out! 1388 01:01:23,375 --> 01:01:25,290 [JENNA BUSCH] The idea of somebody like Tim Burton 1389 01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:27,727 doing a comic book film made sense to people. 1390 01:01:27,771 --> 01:01:29,990 Ang Lee. You're like, wait, what now? 1391 01:01:30,034 --> 01:01:31,688 But I think that sort of gave 1392 01:01:31,731 --> 01:01:34,647 a little more of a footing to comic book movies 1393 01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,171 for people who might have dismissed them as kids' stuff. 1394 01:01:37,215 --> 01:01:39,086 [GENTLE MUSIC] 1395 01:01:49,575 --> 01:01:52,012 [SCOTT MENDELSON] The Hulk is very much an Ang Lee picture. 1396 01:01:52,056 --> 01:01:54,754 But it's also super duper comic booky visually 1397 01:01:54,798 --> 01:01:57,670 in terms of the use of panels as editing devices, 1398 01:01:57,714 --> 01:02:00,064 the really bright primary colors, 1399 01:02:00,107 --> 01:02:02,719 the unapologetic larger-than-life action. 1400 01:02:05,286 --> 01:02:07,201 [RAPID GUNFIRE] 1401 01:02:12,598 --> 01:02:13,686 No! 1402 01:02:13,730 --> 01:02:15,296 [GROWL] 1403 01:02:27,439 --> 01:02:29,702 But it was a flop. 1404 01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:32,531 I think that was another case of audiences 1405 01:02:32,574 --> 01:02:35,273 not embracing a very arthouse drama 1406 01:02:35,316 --> 01:02:37,536 that was disguised as a comic book movie. 1407 01:02:37,579 --> 01:02:41,105 And I think again, like withBatman Returns, 1408 01:02:41,148 --> 01:02:43,542 the lesson that Hollywood took from that is like 1409 01:02:43,585 --> 01:02:45,326 bring in great directors 1410 01:02:45,370 --> 01:02:49,200 but don't let them go completely crazy. 1411 01:02:49,243 --> 01:02:51,071 [NARRATOR] Its ambition was commendable 1412 01:02:51,115 --> 01:02:53,857 when compared to the rash of films that followed. 1413 01:02:53,900 --> 01:02:56,076 With the Ben Affleck vehicle Daredevil, 1414 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,818 the second big screen outing ofThe Punisher 1415 01:02:58,862 --> 01:03:01,473 and a tepid, family-friendly Fantastic Four, 1416 01:03:01,516 --> 01:03:04,868 the run of Marvel-based hits came to an end, 1417 01:03:04,911 --> 01:03:07,174 whereas theCatwoman solo feature film 1418 01:03:07,218 --> 01:03:09,611 starring Halle Berry quickly made its way 1419 01:03:09,655 --> 01:03:12,179 into worst-film- of-all-time lists. 1420 01:03:12,223 --> 01:03:15,792 Yet sequels kept the superhero flag flying, 1421 01:03:15,835 --> 01:03:19,491 with Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 and Bryan Singer's X2 1422 01:03:19,534 --> 01:03:22,494 hailed as amongst the very best of the genre. 1423 01:03:22,537 --> 01:03:24,801 [MATT MAYTUM] Spider-Man 2 is widely considered 1424 01:03:24,844 --> 01:03:26,193 one of the greatest sequels, 1425 01:03:26,237 --> 01:03:27,804 especially in superhero movies. 1426 01:03:27,847 --> 01:03:30,763 The special effects had moved on that bit more again. 1427 01:03:30,807 --> 01:03:32,765 Even in just those couple of years 1428 01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:34,680 between films they're developing, 1429 01:03:34,723 --> 01:03:36,856 they're getting that bit more weight to them. 1430 01:03:36,900 --> 01:03:39,641 And they are just pushing what they can do with them. 1431 01:03:39,685 --> 01:03:41,992 Particularly with the Dr. Octopus character 1432 01:03:42,035 --> 01:03:44,646 and all these kind of extendable limbs. 1433 01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:47,084 It has some of the stand-out set pieces still 1434 01:03:47,127 --> 01:03:50,478 in terms of superior cinema, from that fight on the train 1435 01:03:50,522 --> 01:03:53,220 and when they're fighting on the side of the building. 1436 01:03:53,264 --> 01:03:55,396 It just gets that stuff so right. 1437 01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,529 It's just hugely entertaining. 1438 01:03:57,572 --> 01:04:00,314 [SCOTT MENDELSON] In terms of being faithful to the source, 1439 01:04:00,358 --> 01:04:04,536 X2 was probably the high watermark at that time 1440 01:04:04,579 --> 01:04:07,234 for basically a comic book come to life. 1441 01:04:07,278 --> 01:04:11,325 X2 feels like a trade paperback all in one sitting. 1442 01:04:11,369 --> 01:04:14,285 The first 50 minutes of X2, the first act, I still think 1443 01:04:14,328 --> 01:04:16,809 is some of the best comic book cinema ever made. 1444 01:04:18,245 --> 01:04:19,246 [GUNSHOTS] 1445 01:04:19,290 --> 01:04:21,945 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 1446 01:04:27,211 --> 01:04:30,518 Don't shoot! 1447 01:04:30,562 --> 01:04:32,477 [ROSIE FLETCHER] It gets even more political in X2 1448 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:33,870 and it gets darker. 1449 01:04:33,913 --> 01:04:35,219 Nightcrawler was a fantastic character 1450 01:04:35,262 --> 01:04:38,048 and his early sequences in the White House, 1451 01:04:38,091 --> 01:04:40,789 absolutely showcases CGI - were very funny, very cool. 1452 01:04:40,833 --> 01:04:43,357 And actually really not like things we had seen before. 1453 01:04:43,401 --> 01:04:45,707 [SCOTT MENDELSON] X2 was the one that showed 1454 01:04:45,751 --> 01:04:47,361 they really can do everything. 1455 01:04:47,405 --> 01:04:49,581 They were just using their powers all the time 1456 01:04:49,624 --> 01:04:51,104 without giving it a second thought. 1457 01:04:51,148 --> 01:04:53,193 And not only are the special effects terrific, 1458 01:04:53,237 --> 01:04:55,543 they feel seamless. They feel like... 1459 01:04:55,587 --> 01:04:57,937 ...they're unstrained in a narrative sense. 1460 01:04:57,981 --> 01:05:00,505 And that's why I'm thinking they're going "wow". 1461 01:05:00,548 --> 01:05:02,724 This is it. We've done it. 1462 01:05:02,768 --> 01:05:04,465 [NARRATOR] And as advances in technology 1463 01:05:04,509 --> 01:05:07,077 helped transport superheroes to the big screen, 1464 01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:08,730 they also helped bring 1465 01:05:08,774 --> 01:05:11,081 comic book aficionados closer together. 1466 01:05:11,124 --> 01:05:13,779 Where the only forum for readers 1467 01:05:13,822 --> 01:05:15,694 had previously been letters pages 1468 01:05:15,737 --> 01:05:17,565 and the comic book store itself, 1469 01:05:17,609 --> 01:05:19,741 with the coming of the digital age, 1470 01:05:19,785 --> 01:05:23,049 once isolated fans embraced the Internet 1471 01:05:23,093 --> 01:05:27,010 and reached out to others who shared their passion. 1472 01:05:27,053 --> 01:05:28,576 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] Of course, the Internet did so much 1473 01:05:28,620 --> 01:05:31,536 to propel and explode fan culture 1474 01:05:31,579 --> 01:05:35,018 for comic books and all kinds of fan obsession. 1475 01:05:35,061 --> 01:05:36,584 If you were a fan of these comic books, 1476 01:05:36,628 --> 01:05:38,543 you felt kind of alone. 1477 01:05:38,586 --> 01:05:41,241 You know are there other people out there 1478 01:05:41,285 --> 01:05:44,375 other than just a handful of friends who are into this. 1479 01:05:44,418 --> 01:05:47,334 What the Internet did with the message boards, 1480 01:05:47,378 --> 01:05:51,164 now it creates this broad international community 1481 01:05:51,208 --> 01:05:53,993 where you can comment on every comic book or superhero. 1482 01:05:54,037 --> 01:05:56,082 You can actually help to shape the comic books 1483 01:05:56,126 --> 01:05:58,345 because the writers, the artists, 1484 01:05:58,389 --> 01:06:00,173 would hear about this too. 1485 01:06:00,217 --> 01:06:04,134 The message board culture of the late 90s and early 2000s, 1486 01:06:04,177 --> 01:06:07,006 you were able to bridge a gap 1487 01:06:07,050 --> 01:06:09,487 between the fans and the creatives 1488 01:06:09,530 --> 01:06:12,794 and the artist and the writers were more accessible. 1489 01:06:12,838 --> 01:06:15,406 You could have conversations and dialogue with them 1490 01:06:15,449 --> 01:06:17,277 and fans were able to connect 1491 01:06:17,321 --> 01:06:19,627 and talk about what they loved or what they didn't love 1492 01:06:19,671 --> 01:06:23,066 about movies or comics or whatever it may be. 1493 01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:24,763 So we started to see, 1494 01:06:24,806 --> 01:06:26,939 due to the Internet and online communities, 1495 01:06:26,983 --> 01:06:28,593 the explosion of fan culture 1496 01:06:28,636 --> 01:06:30,203 which ultimately I think has led 1497 01:06:30,247 --> 01:06:32,118 to there being as many conventions 1498 01:06:32,162 --> 01:06:34,381 and fan conventions as there are today. 1499 01:06:34,425 --> 01:06:36,644 Comic book culture has become more fan culture. 1500 01:06:36,688 --> 01:06:40,909 Just people getting together and celebrating what they love. 1501 01:06:40,953 --> 01:06:43,173 [NARRATOR] The opening years of the new millennium 1502 01:06:43,216 --> 01:06:44,957 were notable for the explosion 1503 01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:46,437 of beloved Marvel characters 1504 01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:49,092 onto the big screen for the first time. 1505 01:06:49,135 --> 01:06:51,398 2005, however, was the year 1506 01:06:51,442 --> 01:06:54,401 in which the Dark Knight once again returned. 1507 01:06:54,445 --> 01:06:56,229 Looking to wipe the slate clean 1508 01:06:56,273 --> 01:06:58,362 after the extravagance and incoherence 1509 01:06:58,405 --> 01:07:01,626 of the Joel Schumacher years, Warner Brothers turned to 1510 01:07:01,669 --> 01:07:03,671 young, celebrated British director 1511 01:07:03,715 --> 01:07:06,283 Christopher Nolan to start the series anew, 1512 01:07:06,326 --> 01:07:09,155 withBatman Begins. 1513 01:07:09,199 --> 01:07:10,591 And in telling this story, 1514 01:07:10,635 --> 01:07:13,768 the creative team of Nolan and David S. Goyer, 1515 01:07:13,812 --> 01:07:16,075 the writer behind theBlade franchise, 1516 01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:17,946 looked directly to the comic books - 1517 01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:21,559 in particular Frank Miller's seminal origin story 1518 01:07:21,602 --> 01:07:23,343 BATMAN: Year One 1519 01:07:23,387 --> 01:07:27,086 and the pioneering output of Denny O'Neil and Neal Adams 1520 01:07:27,130 --> 01:07:28,957 in the 1970s. 1521 01:07:29,001 --> 01:07:30,568 [LAURENCE MASLON] Christopher Nolan did 1522 01:07:30,611 --> 01:07:32,439 something rather remarkable and simple. 1523 01:07:32,483 --> 01:07:34,702 He was the first major filmmaker 1524 01:07:34,746 --> 01:07:38,619 to tell the story of, as they said in 1940, 1525 01:07:38,663 --> 01:07:42,275 who Batman is and how he came to be. 1526 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:44,886 It's the first origin film of Batman. 1527 01:07:44,930 --> 01:07:47,280 Batman's origin is just tremendous. 1528 01:07:47,324 --> 01:07:49,152 It's so emotional and so effective 1529 01:07:49,195 --> 01:07:51,110 and so effectively done by Chris Nolan 1530 01:07:51,154 --> 01:07:53,330 that almost that decision alone 1531 01:07:53,373 --> 01:07:55,201 gave him three quarters of his movie. 1532 01:07:55,245 --> 01:07:57,334 Chris Nolan approached these movies 1533 01:07:57,377 --> 01:07:59,858 almost like a John Ford or Howard Hawks. 1534 01:07:59,901 --> 01:08:03,644 As a single relentless avenger 1535 01:08:03,688 --> 01:08:06,125 trying to find out who he is and what he's about. 1536 01:08:11,565 --> 01:08:13,306 [WINGS FLAPPING] 1537 01:08:20,966 --> 01:08:22,881 [NEAL ADAMS] The work that Denny and I had done 1538 01:08:22,924 --> 01:08:25,144 influenced that first movie, 1539 01:08:25,188 --> 01:08:27,146 and you could see it right on the screen. 1540 01:08:27,190 --> 01:08:30,323 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 1541 01:08:30,367 --> 01:08:33,674 Of the DC movies that had been made, 1542 01:08:33,718 --> 01:08:35,850 that first of those three, 1543 01:08:35,894 --> 01:08:38,549 just killer, it's a killer movie. 1544 01:08:38,592 --> 01:08:40,116 [GEOFF BOUCHER] The achievement ofBatman Begins 1545 01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:41,726 can't be underestimated. 1546 01:08:41,769 --> 01:08:43,206 Christopher Nolan's a brilliant filmmaker. 1547 01:08:43,249 --> 01:08:45,033 Start with that. 1548 01:08:45,077 --> 01:08:47,514 And watch the movie unfold the way he tells the story. 1549 01:08:47,558 --> 01:08:50,300 The use of practical effects in camera 1550 01:08:50,343 --> 01:08:53,781 to get away from CGI whenever possible 1551 01:08:53,825 --> 01:08:56,175 not because it's a financial issue 1552 01:08:56,219 --> 01:08:57,655 but because of the aesthetic issues 1553 01:08:57,698 --> 01:09:01,572 and you've got a street level version of Batman 1554 01:09:01,615 --> 01:09:03,008 that everybody in the world 1555 01:09:03,051 --> 01:09:07,447 except perhaps Joel Schumacher was ready for. 1556 01:09:07,491 --> 01:09:09,884 [NARRATOR] LikeSuperman and X-Men before it, 1557 01:09:09,928 --> 01:09:12,191 Batman Begins featured an abundance 1558 01:09:12,235 --> 01:09:15,151 of acting talent to portray major roles. 1559 01:09:15,194 --> 01:09:18,154 Alongside acclaimed but little-known British actor 1560 01:09:18,197 --> 01:09:20,025 Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne, 1561 01:09:20,068 --> 01:09:23,202 were Liam Neeson, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman 1562 01:09:23,246 --> 01:09:25,335 and many other esteemed actors 1563 01:09:25,378 --> 01:09:29,165 in one of the most impressive ensemble casts ever assembled. 1564 01:09:29,208 --> 01:09:31,906 This leant the film considerable dramatic weight, 1565 01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:33,560 and upon its release, 1566 01:09:33,604 --> 01:09:35,693 it immediately set a new benchmark 1567 01:09:35,736 --> 01:09:38,130 for superhero cinema. 1568 01:09:38,174 --> 01:09:41,307 Batman Beginsblew my mind when it came out. 1569 01:09:41,351 --> 01:09:42,874 I knew who Christian Bale was 1570 01:09:42,917 --> 01:09:44,745 so I was excited to see what he did with it. 1571 01:09:44,789 --> 01:09:46,312 But I had no idea. 1572 01:09:46,356 --> 01:09:48,053 And I knew some Nolan stuff 1573 01:09:48,096 --> 01:09:51,230 But I didn't know it was going to be that. 1574 01:09:51,274 --> 01:09:54,712 He was so good and the story was so dark 1575 01:09:54,755 --> 01:09:56,888 and so grounded in reality. 1576 01:09:56,931 --> 01:09:59,456 That was a whole new thing for comic book movies. 1577 01:10:03,764 --> 01:10:05,462 A storm's coming. 1578 01:10:10,118 --> 01:10:13,426 The scum is getting jumpy because you stood up to Falcone. 1579 01:10:13,470 --> 01:10:14,949 It's a start. 1580 01:10:14,993 --> 01:10:17,952 Commission Loeb set up a massive task force to catch you. 1581 01:10:17,996 --> 01:10:19,867 He thinks you're dangerous. 1582 01:10:19,911 --> 01:10:22,479 What do you think? 1583 01:10:22,522 --> 01:10:24,394 I think you're trying to help. 1584 01:10:30,313 --> 01:10:31,792 But I've been wrong before. 1585 01:10:31,836 --> 01:10:34,360 Nolan wasn't a huge comic geek. 1586 01:10:34,404 --> 01:10:37,276 And he wasn't coming at it from the point of view of some fan 1587 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,365 who got his chance to make what he wanted. 1588 01:10:39,409 --> 01:10:42,194 He was looking at it like a serious dramatic filmmaker 1589 01:10:42,238 --> 01:10:44,979 who had an opportunity to take this thing 1590 01:10:45,023 --> 01:10:46,938 and make it real. 1591 01:10:46,981 --> 01:10:49,723 Nolan's Batmans were the first time 1592 01:10:49,767 --> 01:10:53,466 that someone approached superhero mythology 1593 01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:56,730 as a legitimate dramatic narrative. 1594 01:10:56,774 --> 01:11:00,038 I give Warners and Nolan a lot of credit for committing 1595 01:11:00,081 --> 01:11:02,606 to the degree that they did to bring that real 1596 01:11:02,649 --> 01:11:04,477 'cause I think there's a whole generation of people 1597 01:11:04,521 --> 01:11:06,566 that that's their version of Batman. 1598 01:11:06,610 --> 01:11:08,829 It was defining. 1599 01:11:08,873 --> 01:11:10,440 [NARRATOR] Batman Begins helped to bring 1600 01:11:10,483 --> 01:11:12,268 a new level of respect 1601 01:11:12,311 --> 01:11:16,315 both to superhero films and to comic books themselves. 1602 01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:18,709 The year of its release, 2005, 1603 01:11:18,752 --> 01:11:21,146 also saw comic book adaptations 1604 01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:22,713 compete for the first time at Cannes, 1605 01:11:22,756 --> 01:11:26,194 the most prestigious international film festival. 1606 01:11:26,238 --> 01:11:28,980 Sin City, directed by Robert Rodriguez 1607 01:11:29,023 --> 01:11:30,590 andA History of Violence, 1608 01:11:30,634 --> 01:11:33,854 by veteran Canadian filmmaker David Cronenberg, 1609 01:11:33,898 --> 01:11:36,335 continued in the tradition of earlier films 1610 01:11:36,379 --> 01:11:38,119 Road to Perdition and Ghost World 1611 01:11:38,163 --> 01:11:40,992 in demonstrating that comic books were an artform 1612 01:11:41,035 --> 01:11:43,386 to be taken seriously. 1613 01:11:43,429 --> 01:11:45,257 [JENNA BUSCH] The things that came out 1614 01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:47,172 that weren't superhero based 1615 01:11:47,215 --> 01:11:49,609 really showed a lot of people who don't read comics 1616 01:11:49,653 --> 01:11:51,829 that it was more than guys in Spandex. 1617 01:11:51,872 --> 01:11:55,223 I think it made people take the medium more seriously. 1618 01:11:55,267 --> 01:11:57,835 That it wasn't just the pulp stories. 1619 01:11:57,878 --> 01:12:01,578 That it was that you could tell a really beautiful narrative 1620 01:12:01,621 --> 01:12:03,797 and you had another layer to it. 1621 01:12:03,841 --> 01:12:05,843 You had the visuals. 1622 01:12:05,886 --> 01:12:10,021 [GEOFF BOUCHER] The urgency of truly high quality comic books 1623 01:12:10,064 --> 01:12:11,805 starts coming across. 1624 01:12:11,849 --> 01:12:13,981 Road to Perdition, in particular, 1625 01:12:14,025 --> 01:12:15,896 I think it's fantastic that people don't know 1626 01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:19,726 that's based on a comic book. I love to tell them and say, 1627 01:12:19,770 --> 01:12:22,338 "Oh, it's a very faithful adaptation as well." 1628 01:12:22,381 --> 01:12:23,991 You see them scratch their heads. 1629 01:12:24,035 --> 01:12:27,995 That doubt of their sense of what a comic book is 1630 01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:33,000 is what led to all the great things that have happened since. 1631 01:12:33,044 --> 01:12:35,263 [NARRATOR] Yet in the years immediately following 1632 01:12:35,307 --> 01:12:39,050 the release of Batman Begins, the genre still seemed shaky. 1633 01:12:39,093 --> 01:12:42,183 Marvel adaptations continued to flounder, 1634 01:12:42,227 --> 01:12:45,622 with Elektra, Ghost Rider and a Fantastic Four sequel 1635 01:12:45,665 --> 01:12:48,407 all receiving a lukewarm reception, 1636 01:12:48,451 --> 01:12:50,627 while third films in proven series 1637 01:12:50,670 --> 01:12:54,500 X-Men and Spider-Man disappointed fans. 1638 01:12:54,544 --> 01:12:56,110 Behind the scenes, however, 1639 01:12:56,154 --> 01:12:59,505 Marvel was looking to take its fate into its own hands. 1640 01:12:59,549 --> 01:13:03,074 In the 90s Marvel was licensing its properties 1641 01:13:03,117 --> 01:13:04,684 to a variety of different studios. 1642 01:13:04,728 --> 01:13:08,122 So, for example, Paramount had Iron Man, 1643 01:13:08,166 --> 01:13:10,342 Thor, Captain America, 1644 01:13:10,386 --> 01:13:11,909 I think it might have had Black Panther at the time. 1645 01:13:11,952 --> 01:13:15,695 Fox had the X-Men universe of course. 1646 01:13:15,739 --> 01:13:18,437 Sony had Spider-Man, Universal had The Hulk. 1647 01:13:18,481 --> 01:13:22,963 But in the mid-2000s, led by a guy called David Maisel 1648 01:13:23,007 --> 01:13:25,444 Marvel decided they would try and employ 1649 01:13:25,488 --> 01:13:28,534 a different model of movie-making. 1650 01:13:28,578 --> 01:13:31,189 [NARRATOR] Maisel suggested that Marvel develop 1651 01:13:31,232 --> 01:13:33,191 and produce films in-house, 1652 01:13:33,234 --> 01:13:35,541 become a production company in its own right 1653 01:13:35,585 --> 01:13:38,196 and maintain creative and financial control 1654 01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:40,198 over its own properties. 1655 01:13:40,241 --> 01:13:41,895 It was a risky move, 1656 01:13:41,939 --> 01:13:45,116 as it required the company to secure substantial funding, 1657 01:13:45,159 --> 01:13:46,900 yet Marvel pressed forward, 1658 01:13:46,944 --> 01:13:48,467 with the rights to only a handful 1659 01:13:48,511 --> 01:13:50,730 of its more prominent characters. 1660 01:13:50,774 --> 01:13:53,951 In 2007, they moved into production, 1661 01:13:53,994 --> 01:13:56,170 and under the stewardship of David Maisel 1662 01:13:56,214 --> 01:13:58,346 and Marvel producer Kevin Feige, 1663 01:13:58,390 --> 01:14:01,262 soon announced their upcoming plans to the press. 1664 01:14:01,306 --> 01:14:03,308 [GEOFF BOUCHER] I had published a story 1665 01:14:03,351 --> 01:14:05,353 that was on the front page of the LA Times business section. 1666 01:14:05,397 --> 01:14:08,400 It had a picture of the Hulk and Thor and Iron Man. 1667 01:14:08,444 --> 01:14:11,055 This was before the first Iron Man film. 1668 01:14:11,098 --> 01:14:13,536 And the headline was "The B-Team". 1669 01:14:13,579 --> 01:14:15,146 This was notX-Men, 1670 01:14:15,189 --> 01:14:16,800 the best-selling comic book in America. 1671 01:14:16,843 --> 01:14:18,192 This was notSpider-Man. 1672 01:14:18,236 --> 01:14:21,369 These characters weren't as well-known. 1673 01:14:21,413 --> 01:14:26,331 But there's nothing wrong with being an unknown 1674 01:14:26,374 --> 01:14:29,552 as long as you make a good first impression. 1675 01:14:29,595 --> 01:14:31,684 [NARRATOR] In 2008, the pressure 1676 01:14:31,728 --> 01:14:33,294 for that first impression 1677 01:14:33,338 --> 01:14:35,645 fell on the shoulders of Iron Man 1678 01:14:35,688 --> 01:14:37,516 and his alter ego Tony Stark, 1679 01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:39,170 the hero who would front 1680 01:14:39,213 --> 01:14:42,390 the debut release from Marvel Studios. 1681 01:14:42,434 --> 01:14:44,567 Like Blade a decade beforehand, 1682 01:14:44,610 --> 01:14:46,917 once again this was a character 1683 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,049 with little audience recognition, 1684 01:14:49,093 --> 01:14:50,660 although comic book readers 1685 01:14:50,703 --> 01:14:52,270 had been following his adventures 1686 01:14:52,313 --> 01:14:55,969 since Stan Lee created him back in 1963. 1687 01:14:56,013 --> 01:14:57,797 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] When Marvel got into 1688 01:14:57,841 --> 01:14:59,190 its second-tier characters 1689 01:14:59,233 --> 01:15:01,061 comic book fans, of course, knew who they were 1690 01:15:01,105 --> 01:15:03,020 but the broader audience didn't. 1691 01:15:03,063 --> 01:15:05,283 In advance of the Iron Man film coming out 1692 01:15:05,326 --> 01:15:06,893 there was a big publicity campaign 1693 01:15:06,937 --> 01:15:09,243 to make sure that people knew he wasn't a robot. 1694 01:15:09,287 --> 01:15:11,028 Of course, comic book fans already knew that. 1695 01:15:11,071 --> 01:15:13,378 Iron Man's an interesting character and very timely. 1696 01:15:13,421 --> 01:15:14,727 He was a character born 1697 01:15:14,771 --> 01:15:16,163 as the United States was getting ready 1698 01:15:16,207 --> 01:15:18,078 to go to war in Vietnam. 1699 01:15:18,122 --> 01:15:19,863 He was a character that came out 1700 01:15:19,906 --> 01:15:21,821 of the military industrial complex. 1701 01:15:21,865 --> 01:15:24,998 Tony Stark working as a defense contractor 1702 01:15:25,042 --> 01:15:27,871 with the government, wounded in Vietnam, 1703 01:15:27,914 --> 01:15:29,655 and builds this Iron Man suit 1704 01:15:29,699 --> 01:15:32,397 because he's so brilliant with technology. 1705 01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:34,747 That's easily adapted to our own age 1706 01:15:34,791 --> 01:15:38,359 where the United States is in Vietnam-like wars, 1707 01:15:38,403 --> 01:15:40,579 in Afghanistan and Iraq at the time. 1708 01:15:40,623 --> 01:15:42,755 Once again we had this tension between 1709 01:15:42,799 --> 01:15:44,801 trying to master this technology 1710 01:15:44,844 --> 01:15:48,282 but yet someone who feels apart from that as well. 1711 01:15:48,326 --> 01:15:51,547 He's still part of that military industrial complex. 1712 01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:53,157 But he makes it clear that 1713 01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:55,463 he's going to turn attention elsewhere and help people. 1714 01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,817 I saw young Americans killed 1715 01:16:00,860 --> 01:16:04,864 by the very weapons I created to defend and protect them. 1716 01:16:06,474 --> 01:16:09,129 And I saw that I... 1717 01:16:09,173 --> 01:16:10,740 ...had become part of a system 1718 01:16:10,783 --> 01:16:14,047 that is comfortable with zero accountability. 1719 01:16:14,091 --> 01:16:15,396 [SEVERAL PEOPLE SPEAKING SIMULTANEOUSLY] 1720 01:16:17,007 --> 01:16:19,575 What happened over there? 1721 01:16:19,618 --> 01:16:21,751 I had my eyes open. 1722 01:16:21,794 --> 01:16:23,927 I came to realize that I had more 1723 01:16:23,970 --> 01:16:26,669 to offer this world 1724 01:16:26,712 --> 01:16:28,714 than just making things to blow up. 1725 01:16:28,758 --> 01:16:30,890 That is why, effective immediately, 1726 01:16:30,934 --> 01:16:33,719 I am shutting down the weapons manufacture... 1727 01:16:33,763 --> 01:16:35,591 [COMMOTION] 1728 01:16:35,634 --> 01:16:38,463 For a technology obsessed culture 1729 01:16:38,506 --> 01:16:42,206 you really can't get a better superhero than Iron Man 1730 01:16:42,249 --> 01:16:43,816 to play to these tensions, 1731 01:16:43,860 --> 01:16:46,776 this love-hate or love-fear relationship 1732 01:16:46,819 --> 01:16:48,604 that we all have with technology. 1733 01:16:52,999 --> 01:16:54,305 Jarvis, are you there? 1734 01:16:54,348 --> 01:16:56,263 At your service, sir. 1735 01:16:56,307 --> 01:16:57,961 Gaugeheadsupdisplay. 1736 01:16:58,004 --> 01:16:59,136 Check. 1737 01:16:59,179 --> 01:17:00,964 All preferences from home interface. 1738 01:17:01,007 --> 01:17:02,705 Will do, sir. 1739 01:17:02,748 --> 01:17:05,577 [JENNA BUSCH] I know Iron Man was sort of risky 1740 01:17:05,621 --> 01:17:08,493 because people didn't know who that character was. 1741 01:17:08,536 --> 01:17:12,236 But I was really excited and the reason was... 1742 01:17:12,279 --> 01:17:16,501 ...I feel that with something like Batman or Captain America 1743 01:17:16,544 --> 01:17:20,070 there was this feeling that you're not going to do it right. 1744 01:17:20,113 --> 01:17:23,639 You're going to mess up my Captain America, my Batman. 1745 01:17:23,682 --> 01:17:27,077 Where Iron Man, because a lot of people didn't know who he was, 1746 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,906 you could go in and pretty much do anything you want. 1747 01:17:29,949 --> 01:17:31,385 So it was a brilliant move. 1748 01:17:31,429 --> 01:17:33,431 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 1749 01:17:37,609 --> 01:17:40,264 If you're going to launch a cinematic universe 1750 01:17:40,307 --> 01:17:42,745 that is completely unique, 1751 01:17:42,788 --> 01:17:45,095 you got to do it with somebody that no one knows. 1752 01:17:45,138 --> 01:17:47,271 [NARRATOR] But casting somebody no one knows 1753 01:17:47,314 --> 01:17:49,229 was not an option. 1754 01:17:49,273 --> 01:17:50,927 Bringing on board a familiar actor 1755 01:17:50,970 --> 01:17:52,363 to play Tony Stark 1756 01:17:52,406 --> 01:17:54,321 was crucial to the film's success 1757 01:17:54,365 --> 01:17:57,411 Marvel approached Robert Downey Jr. for the role. 1758 01:17:57,455 --> 01:18:01,241 An Oscar-winning actor who had emerged in the 1980s 1759 01:18:01,285 --> 01:18:02,678 and whose career had been derailed 1760 01:18:02,721 --> 01:18:04,375 by substance abuse issues 1761 01:18:04,418 --> 01:18:06,333 and imprisonment the following decade, 1762 01:18:06,377 --> 01:18:08,031 by the time of Iron Man 1763 01:18:08,074 --> 01:18:09,815 his career was on the rise once again, 1764 01:18:09,859 --> 01:18:12,470 and he proved the perfect choice. 1765 01:18:12,513 --> 01:18:14,298 [JON FAVREAU] This is the role of a lifetime for him. 1766 01:18:14,341 --> 01:18:16,648 A lot of people thought Chaplin was. 1767 01:18:16,692 --> 01:18:18,215 I think this guy was born to be Tony Stark. 1768 01:18:18,258 --> 01:18:21,261 Robert's grown up in the public eye. 1769 01:18:21,305 --> 01:18:23,481 Everything good and bad that's happened in his life 1770 01:18:23,524 --> 01:18:25,135 everybody's seen. 1771 01:18:25,178 --> 01:18:27,964 And Tony Stark is a guy who's also grown up in the public eye. 1772 01:18:28,007 --> 01:18:30,749 He's a genius. Everybody appreciates his talent. 1773 01:18:30,793 --> 01:18:32,490 [JENNA BUSCH] It made sense to have 1774 01:18:32,533 --> 01:18:33,926 Robert Downey Jr. do this. 1775 01:18:33,970 --> 01:18:35,972 He has a history with substance abuse 1776 01:18:36,015 --> 01:18:38,888 and Iron Man has a history with substance abuse. 1777 01:18:38,931 --> 01:18:41,020 Robert Downey Jr. had gone through some stuff. 1778 01:18:41,064 --> 01:18:43,109 He was still a well-respected actor 1779 01:18:43,153 --> 01:18:46,417 but his career wasn't flourishing the way it is now. 1780 01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:49,028 So I think what he did for Iron Man, 1781 01:18:49,072 --> 01:18:50,987 Iron Mandid for him. 1782 01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:52,945 [ROSIE FLETCHER] Tony Stark is a brilliant character. 1783 01:18:52,989 --> 01:18:55,774 In a way he's sort of comparable to Batman 1784 01:18:55,818 --> 01:18:57,907 in the sense that he is a multi-millionaire 1785 01:18:57,950 --> 01:18:59,299 and he's a genius. 1786 01:18:59,343 --> 01:19:00,779 But that was part of the appeal 1787 01:19:00,823 --> 01:19:03,086 because the darkness in Batmanis fantastic 1788 01:19:03,129 --> 01:19:04,914 and that works for him. 1789 01:19:04,957 --> 01:19:07,220 But what worked for Iron Man is he was really funny. 1790 01:19:07,264 --> 01:19:10,006 - Hello, Tony. Remember me? - Sure don't. 1791 01:19:10,049 --> 01:19:12,008 You cast Robert Downey Jr. 1792 01:19:12,051 --> 01:19:14,271 who had famously had his own problems 1793 01:19:14,314 --> 01:19:15,794 who's not a teenager. 1794 01:19:15,838 --> 01:19:17,753 There was no way anyone thought 1795 01:19:17,796 --> 01:19:19,363 that movie was only for kids. 1796 01:19:19,406 --> 01:19:20,799 It took on big themes. 1797 01:19:20,843 --> 01:19:22,540 It had scenes set in Afghanistan. 1798 01:19:22,583 --> 01:19:23,759 It had Jeff Bridges in it. 1799 01:19:23,802 --> 01:19:26,326 There's a lot going on in that movie. 1800 01:19:26,370 --> 01:19:28,285 [SCOTT MENDELSON] Iron Man was successfully sold 1801 01:19:28,328 --> 01:19:30,374 as a comic book superhero movie 1802 01:19:30,417 --> 01:19:32,419 to people that otherwise might be embarrassed 1803 01:19:32,463 --> 01:19:34,291 to go to a comic book superhero movie. 1804 01:19:34,334 --> 01:19:36,554 It had adult movie stars. 1805 01:19:36,597 --> 01:19:40,601 Robert Downey Jr., Gwyneth Paltrow, Jeff Bridges. 1806 01:19:40,645 --> 01:19:43,604 This was almost a prestigious comic book picture. 1807 01:19:43,648 --> 01:19:45,955 right alongside Batman Begins. 1808 01:19:45,998 --> 01:19:48,218 It comes out beginning of May, 1809 01:19:48,261 --> 01:19:50,698 shocks everyone by doing $102 million 1810 01:19:50,742 --> 01:19:52,048 on opening weekend. 1811 01:19:52,091 --> 01:19:53,832 Second biggest opening for a non-sequel ever 1812 01:19:53,876 --> 01:19:55,660 beyond Spider-Man. 1813 01:19:55,703 --> 01:19:57,880 That Monday Marvel comes out and said, 1814 01:19:57,923 --> 01:20:00,578 "OK, here's what we're doing next." 1815 01:20:00,621 --> 01:20:02,275 [NARRATOR] Marvel publicly announced 1816 01:20:02,319 --> 01:20:03,929 an ambitious production slate 1817 01:20:03,973 --> 01:20:05,626 that aimed to release solo films 1818 01:20:05,670 --> 01:20:07,846 for all of its key characters, 1819 01:20:07,890 --> 01:20:11,676 culminating in a team film The Avengers. 1820 01:20:11,719 --> 01:20:15,549 And while its other release of 2008,The Incredible Hulk, 1821 01:20:15,593 --> 01:20:17,943 proved less successful than Iron Man, 1822 01:20:17,987 --> 01:20:20,467 the studio was confident it could bring superheroes 1823 01:20:20,511 --> 01:20:23,906 to the screen like never before. 1824 01:20:23,949 --> 01:20:27,257 As Marvel enjoyed the first of many successes, 1825 01:20:27,300 --> 01:20:31,130 DC's frontrunner returned to movie theatres once again. 1826 01:20:31,174 --> 01:20:34,003 And whereBatman Begins had created a new benchmark 1827 01:20:34,046 --> 01:20:35,482 for comic book adaptations, 1828 01:20:35,526 --> 01:20:38,790 The Dark Knight was a far bleaker sequel 1829 01:20:38,834 --> 01:20:40,096 that saw Christopher Nolan 1830 01:20:40,139 --> 01:20:41,532 continue to push the boundaries 1831 01:20:41,575 --> 01:20:43,055 of fantasy cinema 1832 01:20:43,099 --> 01:20:45,841 and brought Batman's arch-nemesis the Joker 1833 01:20:45,884 --> 01:20:47,886 back onto the big screen. 1834 01:20:47,930 --> 01:20:49,583 This role would be immortalized 1835 01:20:49,627 --> 01:20:51,977 by Australian actor Heath Ledger, 1836 01:20:52,021 --> 01:20:55,720 who died just months before the film's release. 1837 01:20:55,763 --> 01:20:57,461 [MATT MAYTUM] The darkness of The Dark Knight, 1838 01:20:57,504 --> 01:21:01,247 was fairly surprising. It really went to places that 1839 01:21:01,291 --> 01:21:03,380 maybe you'd expect a crime thriller to go to 1840 01:21:03,423 --> 01:21:05,425 more than a comic book movie. 1841 01:21:05,469 --> 01:21:07,906 But I think that had been seeded in Batman Begins 1842 01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:10,822 taking this much more realistic and gritty approach 1843 01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:13,346 to the character, setting it in a Gotham 1844 01:21:13,390 --> 01:21:16,219 that felt much more like a crime-ridden city 1845 01:21:16,262 --> 01:21:18,395 than a comic book metropolis. 1846 01:21:18,438 --> 01:21:22,486 People were really excited to see a Batman-Joker story 1847 01:21:22,529 --> 01:21:24,705 set in that world 1848 01:21:24,749 --> 01:21:27,621 with the cool casting of Heath Ledger 1849 01:21:27,665 --> 01:21:30,886 as a pretty creepy looking Joker. 1850 01:21:30,929 --> 01:21:33,279 Keep in mind the preview came out before he died 1851 01:21:33,323 --> 01:21:35,455 so we already had a decent idea 1852 01:21:35,499 --> 01:21:36,804 of what kind of Joker he would be. 1853 01:21:40,896 --> 01:21:44,900 You see, this is how crazy Batman's made Gotham. 1854 01:21:44,943 --> 01:21:47,206 If you want order in Gotham, 1855 01:21:47,250 --> 01:21:52,211 Batman must take off his mask and turn himself in. 1856 01:21:52,255 --> 01:21:55,823 Oh, and every day he doesn't, people will die. 1857 01:21:55,867 --> 01:21:57,956 [MATT MAYTUM] There was a lot of interest in it 1858 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:01,133 because it was Heath Ledger's final complete role on film. 1859 01:22:01,177 --> 01:22:04,658 [LAUGHING] 1860 01:22:04,702 --> 01:22:06,704 He was obviously an actor of interest. 1861 01:22:06,747 --> 01:22:09,576 He was Oscar nominated for Brokeback Mountain, 1862 01:22:09,620 --> 01:22:13,580 so he was someone who was clearly taken seriously 1863 01:22:13,624 --> 01:22:15,147 butThe Dark Knight showed him 1864 01:22:15,191 --> 01:22:16,757 in a completely different light. 1865 01:22:16,801 --> 01:22:19,325 I genuinely believe that if he hadn't died, 1866 01:22:19,369 --> 01:22:21,414 people would have still been as blown away 1867 01:22:21,458 --> 01:22:22,807 and interested in that performance. 1868 01:22:24,722 --> 01:22:25,984 [GUNFIRE] 1869 01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:31,337 Come on, come on. I want you to do it. 1870 01:22:31,381 --> 01:22:32,512 Come on. 1871 01:22:33,687 --> 01:22:34,688 Come on. 1872 01:22:36,255 --> 01:22:39,041 Come on, come on. I want you to do it. 1873 01:22:39,084 --> 01:22:41,478 Come on, hit me. Come on, hit me! 1874 01:22:43,567 --> 01:22:45,351 Hit me! 1875 01:22:47,049 --> 01:22:49,138 You just don't see many performances like that, 1876 01:22:49,181 --> 01:22:52,184 especially in terms of villains in superhero films 1877 01:22:52,228 --> 01:22:53,490 that are kind of so intense. 1878 01:22:53,533 --> 01:22:56,188 It clearly dug so deep into that character 1879 01:22:56,232 --> 01:22:57,885 and was really quite terrifying. 1880 01:22:57,929 --> 01:23:00,018 And that's obviously one of the main things 1881 01:23:00,062 --> 01:23:02,064 that people remember and love about The Dark Knight, 1882 01:23:02,107 --> 01:23:04,153 Heath Ledger's performance. 1883 01:23:04,196 --> 01:23:05,719 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] If Stanley Kubrick had lived long enough 1884 01:23:05,763 --> 01:23:07,025 to do a superhero movie 1885 01:23:07,069 --> 01:23:08,461 it would have been The Dark Knight. 1886 01:23:08,505 --> 01:23:11,464 It was the first time that someone committed 1887 01:23:11,508 --> 01:23:13,031 to the resources you'd need 1888 01:23:13,075 --> 01:23:16,948 to take comics out of the pop culture class. 1889 01:23:16,992 --> 01:23:18,515 It wasn't an amazing comic book flick. 1890 01:23:18,558 --> 01:23:20,082 It was an amazing movie 1891 01:23:20,125 --> 01:23:22,040 that happened to be about a comic book character. 1892 01:23:22,084 --> 01:23:23,520 And there's a big difference. 1893 01:23:23,563 --> 01:23:25,130 The performances are amazing. 1894 01:23:25,174 --> 01:23:27,306 And the caliber of talent he would surround himself 1895 01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:29,917 to do those films is staggering. 1896 01:23:29,961 --> 01:23:31,267 [ROSIE FLETCHER] With a director like Nolan, 1897 01:23:31,310 --> 01:23:34,226 producing these incredibly cinematic movies, 1898 01:23:34,270 --> 01:23:35,793 it's not that surprising 1899 01:23:35,836 --> 01:23:38,361 that these were really the first superhero movies 1900 01:23:38,404 --> 01:23:41,929 that were seriously considered for awards glory. 1901 01:23:41,973 --> 01:23:45,542 Heath Ledger was awarded the Oscar for his performance 1902 01:23:45,585 --> 01:23:47,239 after he'd died. 1903 01:23:47,283 --> 01:23:49,894 Although none of those movies were nominated for Best Picture, 1904 01:23:49,937 --> 01:23:51,983 there was a bit of an outcry that they should be - 1905 01:23:52,027 --> 01:23:53,767 why shouldn't we take these, 1906 01:23:53,811 --> 01:23:55,639 not only seriously within their own worlds, 1907 01:23:55,682 --> 01:24:00,252 but why shouldn't this be taken seriously as a piece of cinema? 1908 01:24:00,296 --> 01:24:02,341 [NARRATOR] And following the success of Iron Man 1909 01:24:02,385 --> 01:24:03,951 and The Dark Knight, 1910 01:24:03,995 --> 01:24:06,215 comic book adaptations spread like a hurricane 1911 01:24:06,258 --> 01:24:07,912 through popular culture. 1912 01:24:07,955 --> 01:24:10,045 Studios desperately raced 1913 01:24:10,088 --> 01:24:11,829 to find new characters and titles 1914 01:24:11,872 --> 01:24:13,483 to bring to the big screen, 1915 01:24:13,526 --> 01:24:16,268 while Iron Man returned for a successful sequel 1916 01:24:16,312 --> 01:24:18,618 and Hugh Jackman's Wolverine was pulled from the wreck 1917 01:24:18,662 --> 01:24:20,490 of the X-Men series 1918 01:24:20,533 --> 01:24:23,058 to star in his own cinematic adventures. 1919 01:24:23,101 --> 01:24:25,495 Having signed a lucrative buyout deal 1920 01:24:25,538 --> 01:24:27,932 with Disney in 2011, 1921 01:24:27,975 --> 01:24:30,804 Marvel Studios returned with the next two installments 1922 01:24:30,848 --> 01:24:32,284 of its cinematic canon. 1923 01:24:32,328 --> 01:24:34,765 The first of these to be released was Thor, 1924 01:24:34,808 --> 01:24:37,463 and like Iron Man this represented 1925 01:24:37,507 --> 01:24:40,075 the character's big screen debut. 1926 01:24:40,118 --> 01:24:42,251 Thor is a god of thunder 1927 01:24:42,294 --> 01:24:45,950 who has this enormously powerful weapon of mass destruction 1928 01:24:45,993 --> 01:24:47,865 that only he can pick up 1929 01:24:47,908 --> 01:24:52,261 because he is the only person worthy of lifting this burden. 1930 01:24:52,304 --> 01:24:53,697 I think that Marvel comics, 1931 01:24:53,740 --> 01:24:55,394 with Stan Lee and Jack Kirby again, 1932 01:24:55,438 --> 01:24:58,267 were able to tap into this other realm of gods that 1933 01:24:58,310 --> 01:25:01,183 we don't really study in Western culture. 1934 01:25:01,226 --> 01:25:02,967 We have our Greeks and our Romans 1935 01:25:03,010 --> 01:25:05,448 but the Norse gods are very cool. 1936 01:25:05,491 --> 01:25:08,015 A god of thunder who makes thunder with a hammer 1937 01:25:08,059 --> 01:25:09,539 and can shoot lightning bolts. 1938 01:25:09,582 --> 01:25:11,976 That's something we hadn't seen before. 1939 01:25:12,019 --> 01:25:15,022 Despite the character's longevity in the comics world, 1940 01:25:15,066 --> 01:25:17,199 he again seemed a risky prospect 1941 01:25:17,242 --> 01:25:18,939 for a wider audience. 1942 01:25:18,983 --> 01:25:21,594 Yet Marvel Studios, and its mastermind, 1943 01:25:21,638 --> 01:25:23,988 President of Production Kevin Feige, 1944 01:25:24,031 --> 01:25:27,426 were confident that they could makeThor a hit. 1945 01:25:27,470 --> 01:25:30,299 With veteran British actor and filmmaker Kenneth Branagh 1946 01:25:30,342 --> 01:25:32,214 on board to direct the project, 1947 01:25:32,257 --> 01:25:35,130 they even altered their tried-and-tested formula 1948 01:25:35,173 --> 01:25:37,306 and cast unknown Australian actor 1949 01:25:37,349 --> 01:25:41,484 Chris Hemsworth to portray this equally unfamiliar hero 1950 01:25:41,527 --> 01:25:44,617 Just the idea that you have Norse mythology 1951 01:25:44,661 --> 01:25:46,837 with Shakespearean prose 1952 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:51,058 in this fantastical, crazy Jack Kirby on acid world. 1953 01:25:51,102 --> 01:25:52,712 I remember when they announced the movie. 1954 01:25:52,756 --> 01:25:54,627 I was like, "How the hell are they going to...?" 1955 01:25:54,671 --> 01:25:56,847 Everything else is so grounded in reality 1956 01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:58,544 and Thor is this one thing 1957 01:25:58,588 --> 01:26:00,416 that I just couldn't see how it would fit. 1958 01:26:00,459 --> 01:26:03,201 When I first sat down with the Marvel folk 1959 01:26:03,245 --> 01:26:05,638 they said, "This is the most difficult property we have. 1960 01:26:05,682 --> 01:26:07,814 We have so many ways to fail doing this." 1961 01:26:07,858 --> 01:26:09,599 I thought, "Well, that's great, good start." 1962 01:26:09,642 --> 01:26:11,601 But when I looked this up it said, what's the genre? 1963 01:26:11,644 --> 01:26:14,821 It said, action, sci-fi, fantasy, adventure, drama. 1964 01:26:14,865 --> 01:26:16,823 That's a lot of categories, isn't it? 1965 01:26:16,867 --> 01:26:20,697 I said, "I think it has all those things in the comics. 1966 01:26:20,740 --> 01:26:23,003 The biggest challenge is tone." 1967 01:26:23,047 --> 01:26:25,049 [CROWD CHEERING] 1968 01:26:25,092 --> 01:26:26,398 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 1969 01:26:30,489 --> 01:26:31,664 [LOUD CHEERS] 1970 01:26:34,537 --> 01:26:37,279 [ROSIE FLETCHER] Thor potentially on paper 1971 01:26:37,322 --> 01:26:38,889 is quite a difficult sell. 1972 01:26:38,932 --> 01:26:42,240 And it is certainly stretching the realms of believability. 1973 01:26:42,284 --> 01:26:46,157 While you've set up Iron Man with this real world guy 1974 01:26:46,201 --> 01:26:48,333 who is looking at real world issues 1975 01:26:48,377 --> 01:26:50,248 and is set in a very real world way 1976 01:26:50,292 --> 01:26:51,728 and it's very serious, 1977 01:26:51,771 --> 01:26:53,164 it's like, and now we're going to have a Norse god - 1978 01:26:53,208 --> 01:26:54,687 is quite a difficult sell. 1979 01:26:54,731 --> 01:26:58,430 What it did expertly is it was really funny. 1980 01:27:02,391 --> 01:27:04,784 - This drink, I like it. - I know, it's great, right? 1981 01:27:04,828 --> 01:27:05,829 Another! 1982 01:27:05,872 --> 01:27:07,700 [GLASS SMASHES] 1983 01:27:07,744 --> 01:27:10,181 Sorry. It was a little accident. 1984 01:27:13,271 --> 01:27:14,794 - What was that? - It was delicious. 1985 01:27:14,838 --> 01:27:16,666 - I want another. - You could have just said so. 1986 01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:19,321 - I just did. - No, I mean ask, nicely. 1987 01:27:19,364 --> 01:27:23,107 - I meant no disrespect. - Alright, no more smashing. 1988 01:27:23,150 --> 01:27:24,456 Deal? 1989 01:27:26,806 --> 01:27:28,199 You have my word. 1990 01:27:28,243 --> 01:27:29,853 Essentially, it's a brilliant fantasy 1991 01:27:29,896 --> 01:27:32,203 fish out of water comedy 1992 01:27:32,247 --> 01:27:34,031 and didn't take itself seriously at all. 1993 01:27:34,074 --> 01:27:36,860 Chris Hemsworth was the perfect choice. 1994 01:27:36,903 --> 01:27:38,296 [CRASHING] 1995 01:27:43,823 --> 01:27:45,912 So is this how you normally look? 1996 01:27:45,956 --> 01:27:48,132 More or less. 1997 01:27:48,175 --> 01:27:50,308 It's a good look. 1998 01:27:50,352 --> 01:27:52,179 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] Given how off the rails 1999 01:27:52,223 --> 01:27:53,311 Thor could have been, 2000 01:27:53,355 --> 01:27:55,139 I thought they did a great job. 2001 01:27:55,182 --> 01:27:57,097 And Hemsworth too. 2002 01:27:57,141 --> 01:27:59,404 That guy's no joke as an actor. 2003 01:27:59,448 --> 01:28:01,624 Like, yeah, he's big and yoked and pretty and everything. 2004 01:28:01,667 --> 01:28:06,324 That guy's really good, because that's a thankless role. 2005 01:28:06,368 --> 01:28:09,719 That could have been so ridiculous and so stupid. 2006 01:28:09,762 --> 01:28:12,330 [NARRATOR] Although less successful than Iron Man, 2007 01:28:12,374 --> 01:28:15,333 Thor proved another box office draw, 2008 01:28:15,377 --> 01:28:17,335 and anticipation was now running high 2009 01:28:17,379 --> 01:28:19,990 for Marvel's other big release of 2011, 2010 01:28:20,033 --> 01:28:22,253 CAPTAIN AMERICA: The First Avenger. 2011 01:28:22,297 --> 01:28:24,995 And this character was the oldest Superhero 2012 01:28:25,038 --> 01:28:26,649 in the company's repertoire, 2013 01:28:26,692 --> 01:28:30,348 a propaganda symbol dating back to the early 1940s 2014 01:28:30,392 --> 01:28:33,569 and America's entrance into the Second World War. 2015 01:28:33,612 --> 01:28:35,353 Captain America, for my money, 2016 01:28:35,397 --> 01:28:37,224 is the most underrated character of them all. 2017 01:28:37,268 --> 01:28:40,315 He was forged in the crucible of World War II. 2018 01:28:40,358 --> 01:28:43,405 He was the first major patriotic character. 2019 01:28:43,448 --> 01:28:46,408 He emerged from the hand of Joe Simon 2020 01:28:46,451 --> 01:28:48,148 and the inks of Jack Kirby 2021 01:28:48,192 --> 01:28:50,760 and he was the guy who was going to fight the Nazis 2022 01:28:50,803 --> 01:28:53,371 and whip them six ways to Sunday. 2023 01:28:53,415 --> 01:28:55,547 The most ingenious idea 2024 01:28:55,591 --> 01:28:58,420 was the fact that Stanley revived him 2025 01:28:58,463 --> 01:29:02,293 after all these other characters had come out in the early 1960s 2026 01:29:02,337 --> 01:29:04,382 in The Avengers comic book. 2027 01:29:04,426 --> 01:29:06,297 And he reintroduced him 2028 01:29:06,341 --> 01:29:08,212 in a state of suspended animation. 2029 01:29:08,255 --> 01:29:13,435 He brought him back and Captain America had spent 20 years 2030 01:29:13,478 --> 01:29:15,262 outside of American society. 2031 01:29:15,306 --> 01:29:17,352 He famously lost Bucky, his companion. 2032 01:29:17,395 --> 01:29:19,005 He thought he could have saved him. 2033 01:29:19,049 --> 01:29:20,703 He's become Hamlet. 2034 01:29:20,746 --> 01:29:22,618 He's become the superhero as Hamlet. 2035 01:29:22,661 --> 01:29:25,142 He has an existential crisis. 2036 01:29:25,185 --> 01:29:27,710 Remaining true to Stan Lee's concept, 2037 01:29:27,753 --> 01:29:29,712 CAPTAIN AMERICA: The First Avenger 2038 01:29:29,755 --> 01:29:31,191 was an origin story 2039 01:29:31,235 --> 01:29:33,846 set primarily during the second world war, 2040 01:29:33,890 --> 01:29:35,718 and introduced audiences to the character 2041 01:29:35,761 --> 01:29:38,155 before his present day revival. 2042 01:29:38,198 --> 01:29:39,504 With another relative unknown 2043 01:29:39,548 --> 01:29:41,941 playing Captain America, Chris Evans, 2044 01:29:41,985 --> 01:29:44,204 and action director Joe Johnston at the helm, 2045 01:29:44,248 --> 01:29:46,119 despite wider public recognition 2046 01:29:46,163 --> 01:29:47,686 of the title character, 2047 01:29:47,730 --> 01:29:51,255 once again the film was no sure-fire hit. 2048 01:29:51,298 --> 01:29:54,301 Upon its release it proved divisive. 2049 01:29:54,345 --> 01:29:55,868 [JENNA BUSCH] When I first heard 2050 01:29:55,912 --> 01:29:58,001 they were going to have a Captain America movie, 2051 01:29:58,044 --> 01:29:59,611 I was concerned 2052 01:29:59,655 --> 01:30:02,919 because he has in the past been rather cheesy. 2053 01:30:02,962 --> 01:30:05,400 And he was created as a propaganda thing. 2054 01:30:05,443 --> 01:30:08,620 So I feel like, especially with a red, white and blue outfit, 2055 01:30:08,664 --> 01:30:10,187 that's hard to do. 2056 01:30:10,230 --> 01:30:13,408 I think the first film really sold that. 2057 01:30:13,451 --> 01:30:15,453 It was very clear that he was created, 2058 01:30:15,497 --> 01:30:17,281 that this costume was created. 2059 01:30:17,324 --> 01:30:18,587 It wasn't his idea to wear it. 2060 01:30:18,630 --> 01:30:20,545 I think if they hadn't done that, 2061 01:30:20,589 --> 01:30:22,460 a lot of the movie would have failed. 2062 01:30:22,504 --> 01:30:24,419 You know, the longest time I dreamed about... 2063 01:30:26,029 --> 01:30:28,640 ...coming overseas and being on the frontline, 2064 01:30:29,902 --> 01:30:32,252 serving my country, 2065 01:30:32,296 --> 01:30:34,516 trying to get everything I wanted... 2066 01:30:34,559 --> 01:30:36,692 [THUNDER IN BACKGROUND] 2067 01:30:37,910 --> 01:30:39,999 ...and I'm wearing tights. 2068 01:30:40,043 --> 01:30:41,740 In some ways, Captain America is 2069 01:30:41,784 --> 01:30:44,221 the Superman of the Marvel universe 2070 01:30:44,264 --> 01:30:45,788 in the sense that he's this patriotic hero, 2071 01:30:45,831 --> 01:30:47,398 this all American guy. 2072 01:30:47,442 --> 01:30:49,139 But his story is arguably not as interesting 2073 01:30:49,182 --> 01:30:52,055 and certainly in the first Captain America movie 2074 01:30:52,098 --> 01:30:54,057 which many would argue 2075 01:30:54,100 --> 01:30:57,669 is one of the weakest of the MCU films, 2076 01:30:57,713 --> 01:31:01,456 it was already a difficult concept to get on board with, 2077 01:31:01,499 --> 01:31:03,719 particularly coming on the heels of Tony Stark 2078 01:31:03,762 --> 01:31:07,113 who was such an interesting, flawed hero. 2079 01:31:07,157 --> 01:31:10,639 A guy who's just nice and wants to serve his country 2080 01:31:10,682 --> 01:31:14,077 didn't feel like something easy to identify with. 2081 01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:16,514 Strangely for me, the first half of the movie, 2082 01:31:16,558 --> 01:31:18,690 so the period setting, was actually more enjoyable 2083 01:31:18,734 --> 01:31:20,300 when here was this weedy little guy 2084 01:31:20,344 --> 01:31:21,519 who really wanted to do his best 2085 01:31:21,563 --> 01:31:23,347 and hanging out with Peggy and Bucky. 2086 01:31:23,390 --> 01:31:25,871 Later when he becomes this square-jawed 2087 01:31:25,915 --> 01:31:29,092 fairly boring, dare I saw it, guy 2088 01:31:29,135 --> 01:31:30,702 it didn't really work. 2089 01:31:39,276 --> 01:31:41,060 [EXPLOSION] 2090 01:31:45,412 --> 01:31:47,980 [SCOTT MENDELSON] For me, it wasn't until Captain America 2091 01:31:48,024 --> 01:31:49,721 comes and blows my socks off 2092 01:31:49,765 --> 01:31:52,332 then I go, "OK, now I'm on board. 2093 01:31:52,376 --> 01:31:54,073 This movie's awesome." 2094 01:31:54,117 --> 01:31:56,685 This is the best working story movie since... 2095 01:31:56,728 --> 01:31:59,688 It's up there with Batman Begins, Spider-Man, Superman, 2096 01:31:59,731 --> 01:32:01,994 This is what I wanted out of a Marvel comic book movie. 2097 01:32:02,038 --> 01:32:04,606 It is a full-fledged, uncompromised 2098 01:32:04,649 --> 01:32:06,956 World War II action adventure movie. 2099 01:32:06,999 --> 01:32:09,175 I was never more excited for The Avengers 2100 01:32:09,219 --> 01:32:12,222 that I was walking out of Captain America. 2101 01:32:12,265 --> 01:32:14,746 [NARRATOR] Although both Thor and Captain America 2102 01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:17,314 had fallen short of the huge box office success 2103 01:32:17,357 --> 01:32:18,750 of Iron Man, 2104 01:32:18,794 --> 01:32:20,360 their 2011 output suggested 2105 01:32:20,404 --> 01:32:22,624 that Marvel Studio's audacious plan 2106 01:32:22,667 --> 01:32:24,582 was developing smoothly. 2107 01:32:24,626 --> 01:32:27,411 And this was not simply a Superhero movie craze - 2108 01:32:27,454 --> 01:32:29,674 another of the summer's tent-pole releases, 2109 01:32:29,718 --> 01:32:32,459 a big budget outing for DC's Green Lantern, 2110 01:32:32,503 --> 01:32:36,072 proved a significant critical and commercial failure. 2111 01:32:36,115 --> 01:32:38,857 But Marvel was playing by its own rules. 2112 01:32:38,901 --> 01:32:41,686 Its multi-film strategy, which would become known 2113 01:32:41,730 --> 01:32:44,167 as the Marvel Cinematic Universe, 2114 01:32:44,210 --> 01:32:46,038 saw each individual release 2115 01:32:46,082 --> 01:32:49,651 function as an installment of a larger connected series, 2116 01:32:49,694 --> 01:32:52,828 with actors signed on to portray the same character 2117 01:32:52,871 --> 01:32:54,612 in a large number of films. 2118 01:32:54,656 --> 01:32:57,876 So you're gearing up for your... obviously a spin off. 2119 01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,705 For Avengers or... what? 2120 01:33:00,749 --> 01:33:02,751 I got a nine-picture deal. I mean you know... 2121 01:33:02,794 --> 01:33:04,361 You guys know more about the news than I do. 2122 01:33:04,404 --> 01:33:05,797 I got a nine-picture deal. 2123 01:33:05,841 --> 01:33:07,494 Eventually, I want to make all nine of them 2124 01:33:07,538 --> 01:33:09,148 or they're gonna kill me. 2125 01:33:09,192 --> 01:33:11,020 [NARRATOR] If Marvel could pull it off, 2126 01:33:11,063 --> 01:33:12,848 this connected universe would be 2127 01:33:12,891 --> 01:33:14,545 a revolutionary achievement. 2128 01:33:14,589 --> 01:33:16,678 And not only was the strategy unique, 2129 01:33:16,721 --> 01:33:19,332 the studio was also approaching superhero cinema 2130 01:33:19,376 --> 01:33:22,118 in a fresh way. 2131 01:33:22,161 --> 01:33:25,382 Previously the creative drive behind many adaptations 2132 01:33:25,425 --> 01:33:27,732 was brought by distinctive directors - 2133 01:33:27,776 --> 01:33:29,734 from Tim Burton and Ang Lee 2134 01:33:29,778 --> 01:33:32,171 to Bryan Singer and Christopher Nolan - 2135 01:33:32,215 --> 01:33:34,783 all of whom offered their own interpretations 2136 01:33:34,826 --> 01:33:36,785 of the source material. 2137 01:33:36,828 --> 01:33:38,569 Marvel's vision was in the hands 2138 01:33:38,613 --> 01:33:41,441 of President of Production Kevin Feige, however, 2139 01:33:41,485 --> 01:33:43,226 and the filmmakers brought on board 2140 01:33:43,269 --> 01:33:44,575 were expected to serve 2141 01:33:44,619 --> 01:33:46,621 as part of a much larger project. 2142 01:33:46,664 --> 01:33:48,057 [CHUCK DIXON] They're bringing in people 2143 01:33:48,100 --> 01:33:49,798 who are invisible hands. 2144 01:33:49,841 --> 01:33:53,105 If you're into film, you'd go, "Oh, I see this touch here." 2145 01:33:53,149 --> 01:33:54,541 Or, "That's so Shane Black." 2146 01:33:54,585 --> 01:33:56,413 But the audience doesn't see that. 2147 01:33:56,456 --> 01:33:59,198 You can't look at it and go, that's a Shane Black film. 2148 01:33:59,242 --> 01:34:00,896 Whereas in a Tim Burton film, 2149 01:34:00,939 --> 01:34:03,028 you look at one frame and go, "I think that's Tim Burton." 2150 01:34:03,072 --> 01:34:05,335 They've brought in invisible hands. 2151 01:34:05,378 --> 01:34:08,599 People like Jon Favreau Joe Johnston, guys like that 2152 01:34:08,643 --> 01:34:10,601 who know how to deal with... how to get it done. 2153 01:34:10,645 --> 01:34:12,995 How to get it done on time. How to work with a cast. 2154 01:34:13,038 --> 01:34:14,823 There's not going to be any problems. 2155 01:34:14,866 --> 01:34:17,913 Everything in the screenplay is going to go on the film. 2156 01:34:17,956 --> 01:34:20,916 It's going to be storyboarded, all kinds of control. 2157 01:34:20,959 --> 01:34:22,352 But I think that's it. 2158 01:34:22,395 --> 01:34:24,963 It's just plain old craft, that's what it is. 2159 01:34:25,007 --> 01:34:26,748 These guys know how to make entertaining movies. 2160 01:34:28,793 --> 01:34:31,709 [NARRATOR] The greatest test of this ambitious project 2161 01:34:31,753 --> 01:34:34,451 came in the Spring of 2012. 2162 01:34:34,494 --> 01:34:36,714 Having established their core characters 2163 01:34:36,758 --> 01:34:38,803 in successful solo films, 2164 01:34:38,847 --> 01:34:41,327 Marvel Studios brought these heroes together 2165 01:34:41,371 --> 01:34:43,765 inThe Avengers. 2166 01:34:43,808 --> 01:34:47,725 Upon its release it broke box-office records worldwide, 2167 01:34:47,769 --> 01:34:50,249 and became the highest- grossing superhero film 2168 01:34:50,293 --> 01:34:51,686 of all time. 2169 01:34:55,559 --> 01:34:56,995 [CHUCK DIXON] They built it film by film. 2170 01:34:57,039 --> 01:34:58,475 They went from strength to strength. 2171 01:34:58,518 --> 01:35:01,260 As each film was successful, they began building. 2172 01:35:01,304 --> 01:35:04,524 But the game plan of building all these disparate films, 2173 01:35:04,568 --> 01:35:07,876 to have the characters meet again in the big blockbuster, 2174 01:35:07,919 --> 01:35:11,314 that's never been done before. It's brilliant. 2175 01:35:11,357 --> 01:35:13,577 And it's offering the audience 2176 01:35:13,620 --> 01:35:16,014 a level of consistency they haven't seen. 2177 01:35:16,058 --> 01:35:18,974 Well, they can't get it anywhere else. 2178 01:35:19,017 --> 01:35:20,584 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] The thing that they've done 2179 01:35:20,627 --> 01:35:23,413 with the interconnected universe is mind-boggling. 2180 01:35:23,456 --> 01:35:27,896 The fact that they got... that The Avengers were on film, 2181 01:35:27,939 --> 01:35:30,594 I still can't believe it. It's been years since it... 2182 01:35:30,637 --> 01:35:32,509 I still can't believe they pulled that off. 2183 01:35:35,860 --> 01:35:37,296 [GROWL] 2184 01:35:37,340 --> 01:35:39,298 [GROWL] 2185 01:35:40,909 --> 01:35:42,649 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 2186 01:35:44,869 --> 01:35:47,350 [ROSIE FLETCHER] The first Avengers film was brilliant. 2187 01:35:47,393 --> 01:35:49,265 At the time, I don't think I'd ever really felt 2188 01:35:49,308 --> 01:35:53,182 such buzz in the cinema about how this was going to work. 2189 01:35:53,225 --> 01:35:56,098 We weren't sure to be honest whether it was going to work. 2190 01:35:56,141 --> 01:35:58,143 Certainly for people who were fans comic books, 2191 01:35:58,187 --> 01:35:59,797 I think it was an absolute joy 2192 01:35:59,841 --> 01:36:02,757 to finally see these guys sharing a screen together 2193 01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:05,020 and they were more than the sum of their parts. 2194 01:36:05,063 --> 01:36:08,327 So together they were better than they were as individuals. 2195 01:36:10,286 --> 01:36:13,028 [NARRATOR] And the Avengers even saw Marvel triumph 2196 01:36:13,071 --> 01:36:15,291 with a character who had previously struggled 2197 01:36:15,334 --> 01:36:18,163 to cross over to movie audiences. 2198 01:36:18,207 --> 01:36:20,078 As the film's cast were greeted 2199 01:36:20,122 --> 01:36:22,385 like rockstars at premieres worldwide, 2200 01:36:22,428 --> 01:36:24,735 amongst them was Mark Ruffalo, 2201 01:36:24,779 --> 01:36:26,824 the latest in a long line of actors 2202 01:36:26,868 --> 01:36:31,046 to portray Dr. Bruce Banner and his alter ego, the Hulk. 2203 01:36:31,089 --> 01:36:32,874 I think the Hulk found a home. 2204 01:36:32,917 --> 01:36:35,485 You could say the whole arc of the history of the Hulk 2205 01:36:35,528 --> 01:36:39,619 since 1962 was, "Where will the Hulk belong?" 2206 01:36:39,663 --> 01:36:42,144 Where the Hulk belonged, surprise, surprise 2207 01:36:42,187 --> 01:36:44,146 was in The Avengers movies, 2208 01:36:44,189 --> 01:36:47,584 because it wasn't just him hogging up the whole screen. 2209 01:36:47,627 --> 01:36:50,674 He really played off these other characters. 2210 01:36:50,717 --> 01:36:53,677 Mark Ruffalo's rendition of Bruce Banner was terrific. 2211 01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:58,638 When you didn't need the Hulk, you could kind of send him away. 2212 01:36:58,682 --> 01:37:00,684 But when you needed him, he was very effective. 2213 01:37:02,729 --> 01:37:05,384 Dr. Banner... 2214 01:37:05,428 --> 01:37:08,300 Now might be a really good time for you to get angry. 2215 01:37:08,344 --> 01:37:10,650 That's my secret, Captain... 2216 01:37:12,609 --> 01:37:14,263 I'm always angry. 2217 01:37:17,309 --> 01:37:18,397 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 2218 01:37:22,445 --> 01:37:28,930 The idea to me of, 'high school jocks' and the popular kids 2219 01:37:28,973 --> 01:37:33,630 and really anyone other than 'the nerd demographic', 2220 01:37:33,673 --> 01:37:35,545 grabbing their buddies together 2221 01:37:35,588 --> 01:37:39,027 and racing out on opening night to see a movie where Thor 2222 01:37:39,070 --> 01:37:42,769 and Captain America and Iron Man fend off an alien invasion 2223 01:37:42,813 --> 01:37:44,902 was mind-boggling to me. 2224 01:37:44,946 --> 01:37:49,167 And that is unquestionably Marvel's greatest success 2225 01:37:49,211 --> 01:37:51,648 is that they took these B-level characters, 2226 01:37:51,691 --> 01:37:53,128 comparatively B-level characters, 2227 01:37:53,171 --> 01:37:55,913 and made them into A-level superstars. 2228 01:37:55,957 --> 01:37:57,610 [NARRATOR] While the Marvel Universe 2229 01:37:57,654 --> 01:38:00,396 was finally being revealed in all its glory, 2230 01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:02,615 another Superhero series was ready 2231 01:38:02,659 --> 01:38:04,879 to unveil its final installment. 2232 01:38:04,922 --> 01:38:07,229 With audiences still reeling 2233 01:38:07,272 --> 01:38:08,708 from the impact of The Avengers, 2234 01:38:08,752 --> 01:38:10,188 two months later 2235 01:38:10,232 --> 01:38:12,538 The Dark Knight Rises was released. 2236 01:38:12,582 --> 01:38:15,541 With Christian Bale taking on the mantle of the Bat 2237 01:38:15,585 --> 01:38:16,891 for the last time, 2238 01:38:16,934 --> 01:38:18,936 he faced off against fellow British actor 2239 01:38:18,980 --> 01:38:22,984 Tom Hardy as Bane, a lesser-known Batman villain 2240 01:38:23,027 --> 01:38:25,334 created by Chuck Dixon and Graham Nolan, 2241 01:38:25,377 --> 01:38:30,034 who had previously appeared in 1998's Batman and Robin. 2242 01:38:30,078 --> 01:38:32,863 Bane comes off a lot better in Dark Knight Rises 2243 01:38:32,907 --> 01:38:34,256 than he did in Batman and Robin. 2244 01:38:34,299 --> 01:38:35,953 He's not a mindless henchman. 2245 01:38:35,997 --> 01:38:38,173 They present him as a mastermind. 2246 01:38:38,216 --> 01:38:39,739 They present him as a bad-ass 2247 01:38:39,783 --> 01:38:41,524 which is one of the most important things. 2248 01:38:41,567 --> 01:38:42,917 He's smart and he's a bad-ass. 2249 01:38:45,702 --> 01:38:47,182 Bane! 2250 01:38:47,225 --> 01:38:50,141 Let's not stand on ceremony here... 2251 01:38:51,838 --> 01:38:53,971 ...Mr. Wayne. 2252 01:39:05,940 --> 01:39:07,985 Patience has cost you your strength. 2253 01:39:08,029 --> 01:39:09,378 Victory has defeated you. 2254 01:39:11,684 --> 01:39:13,251 They made him a household name. 2255 01:39:13,295 --> 01:39:14,470 Everybody knows who he is now, 2256 01:39:14,513 --> 01:39:16,559 which I'm still getting my head around. 2257 01:39:16,602 --> 01:39:19,475 You know Graham Nolan and I are like, wow. 2258 01:39:19,518 --> 01:39:21,912 You know, we just came up with a crazy idea, 2259 01:39:21,956 --> 01:39:24,436 and here it is in toys, in key chains 2260 01:39:24,480 --> 01:39:27,613 and pajamas and Halloween costumes, everything. 2261 01:39:27,657 --> 01:39:30,007 [NARRATOR] Released in July 2012, 2262 01:39:30,051 --> 01:39:32,879 with an unfamiliar villain and Heath Ledger's performance 2263 01:39:32,923 --> 01:39:36,100 as the Joker still fresh in moviegoers' memories, 2264 01:39:36,144 --> 01:39:39,321 this closing chapter in Christopher Nolan's trilogy 2265 01:39:39,364 --> 01:39:40,975 had a lot to live up to... 2266 01:39:41,018 --> 01:39:43,281 [MATT MAYTUM] There is the issue that The Joker 2267 01:39:43,325 --> 01:39:45,718 was such an impactful presence inThe Dark Knight 2268 01:39:45,762 --> 01:39:48,983 that you're inevitably going to miss that side in the next film. 2269 01:39:49,026 --> 01:39:51,028 You obviously kind of want to see him again. 2270 01:39:51,072 --> 01:39:52,725 And who knows, 2271 01:39:52,769 --> 01:39:55,250 if things hadn't gone the way they did with Heath Ledger, 2272 01:39:55,293 --> 01:39:57,600 who knows what would have happened in the third film. 2273 01:39:57,643 --> 01:40:00,995 But one of the things I really do like about it is, 2274 01:40:01,038 --> 01:40:02,735 it's one of these rare superhero films, 2275 01:40:02,779 --> 01:40:05,390 which we just may never see again, 2276 01:40:05,434 --> 01:40:06,913 that actually has an ending. 2277 01:40:06,957 --> 01:40:08,611 It has a neat, wrapped up ending 2278 01:40:08,654 --> 01:40:11,831 that you can feel like that was where it was going 2279 01:40:11,875 --> 01:40:13,311 fromBatman Begins. 2280 01:40:13,355 --> 01:40:15,487 You actually get quite an emotional pay-off, I think. 2281 01:40:17,098 --> 01:40:19,100 I never cared who you were. 2282 01:40:19,143 --> 01:40:20,579 Then you were right. 2283 01:40:20,623 --> 01:40:23,147 Shouldn't the people know the hero who saved them? 2284 01:40:23,191 --> 01:40:24,322 A hero can be anyone. 2285 01:40:24,366 --> 01:40:25,671 Even a man who does something 2286 01:40:25,715 --> 01:40:27,934 as simple and reassuring 2287 01:40:27,978 --> 01:40:30,807 as putting a coat around a young boy's shoulders 2288 01:40:30,850 --> 01:40:33,375 to let him know the world hadn't ended. 2289 01:40:33,418 --> 01:40:34,811 [MELANCHOLIC MUSIC] 2290 01:40:52,220 --> 01:40:54,091 Bruce Wayne. 2291 01:40:54,135 --> 01:40:56,006 [ROSIE FLETCHER] Nolan stuck to his guns 2292 01:40:56,050 --> 01:40:57,486 and did what he wanted to do. 2293 01:40:57,529 --> 01:41:00,271 He made a successful arc, the arc he wanted to tell. 2294 01:41:00,315 --> 01:41:03,231 It felt consistent, it looked great. 2295 01:41:03,274 --> 01:41:04,797 Even though as a standalone, 2296 01:41:04,841 --> 01:41:07,191 I don't think it's as strong as the other two films. 2297 01:41:07,235 --> 01:41:08,932 As a set, I think it will absolutely 2298 01:41:08,975 --> 01:41:10,455 stand up to the test of time. 2299 01:41:10,499 --> 01:41:13,719 Christopher Nolan's Batman series may be the high point 2300 01:41:13,763 --> 01:41:16,418 of this balance between, 2301 01:41:16,461 --> 01:41:20,465 the filmmaker, working high cinema art, 2302 01:41:20,509 --> 01:41:23,773 combining, reconciling that with what fans want to see. 2303 01:41:23,816 --> 01:41:26,819 I think that accomplished it about as well as films could. 2304 01:41:26,863 --> 01:41:29,518 I don't think any comic book fan could be disappointed 2305 01:41:29,561 --> 01:41:31,389 with the Christopher Nolan films. 2306 01:41:31,433 --> 01:41:33,957 And I think any cinema fan, 2307 01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,090 recognizes the quality of what he's doing 2308 01:41:36,133 --> 01:41:39,397 even if they had never read the comic books themselves. 2309 01:41:39,441 --> 01:41:40,659 [NARRATOR] In the wake of these 2310 01:41:40,703 --> 01:41:43,401 two billion dollar grossing behemoths, 2311 01:41:43,445 --> 01:41:46,752 superheroes took over the world. 2312 01:41:46,796 --> 01:41:50,104 Comic book culture fully exploded into the mainstream, 2313 01:41:50,147 --> 01:41:54,151 merchandise flooded into every conceivable store, 2314 01:41:54,195 --> 01:41:56,240 convention attendances soared 2315 01:41:56,284 --> 01:41:58,199 and no one had to hide their passion 2316 01:41:58,242 --> 01:42:01,724 like a guilty pleasure anymore. 2317 01:42:01,767 --> 01:42:04,422 As The X-Men and Spider-Man series saw reboots 2318 01:42:04,466 --> 01:42:06,729 that sought to revive these franchises 2319 01:42:06,772 --> 01:42:09,427 after unpopular third installments, 2320 01:42:09,471 --> 01:42:13,910 Marvel Studios' cinematic output powered ever onwards. 2321 01:42:13,953 --> 01:42:17,566 With Iron Man 3, THOR: The Dark World 2322 01:42:17,609 --> 01:42:20,046 AND CAPTAIN AMERICA: Winter Soldier 2323 01:42:20,090 --> 01:42:21,483 all opening to critical praise 2324 01:42:21,526 --> 01:42:24,442 and ever-increasing box office returns, 2325 01:42:24,486 --> 01:42:27,880 the spotlight soon fell upon Kevin Feige. 2326 01:42:27,924 --> 01:42:30,709 As the success of the interconnected universe 2327 01:42:30,753 --> 01:42:32,363 became ever more apparent, 2328 01:42:32,407 --> 01:42:34,452 the press celebrated the mastermind 2329 01:42:34,496 --> 01:42:36,019 behind the curtain. 2330 01:42:36,062 --> 01:42:38,239 For me it was the notion of reading the Marvel comics 2331 01:42:38,282 --> 01:42:40,719 and not knowing who would appear in what 2332 01:42:40,763 --> 01:42:43,113 because they all exist in the same universe. 2333 01:42:43,157 --> 01:42:45,071 And obviously that hadn't been done before 2334 01:42:45,115 --> 01:42:47,596 and now that once Marvel... 2335 01:42:47,639 --> 01:42:50,425 We started making our own movies and we had the entire library. 2336 01:42:50,468 --> 01:42:52,775 I thought, wouldn't it be fun to start doing that? 2337 01:42:52,818 --> 01:42:54,472 It's very smart. 2338 01:42:54,516 --> 01:42:58,520 The irony for me is that it's just the Marvel universe. 2339 01:42:58,563 --> 01:43:00,261 It's the same Marvel universe 2340 01:43:00,304 --> 01:43:02,741 that Stan Lee created in the 1960s. 2341 01:43:02,785 --> 01:43:05,744 And the genius of Kevin Feige is that he just went, 2342 01:43:05,788 --> 01:43:09,574 "Well, Stan and Jack and Steve figured it out in the 60s. 2343 01:43:09,618 --> 01:43:11,315 Why mess around with it?" 2344 01:43:11,359 --> 01:43:13,491 [JEFFREY HENDERSON] He's like the Steve Jobs of movies. 2345 01:43:13,535 --> 01:43:16,320 And I think history is going to be very kind to that guy, 2346 01:43:16,364 --> 01:43:19,323 when you have the ability to look back at what he's done 2347 01:43:19,367 --> 01:43:22,674 in its entirety because we're still in the middle of it. 2348 01:43:22,718 --> 01:43:25,895 I don't think audiences can really appreciate 2349 01:43:25,938 --> 01:43:28,376 the magnitude of what that guy's built. 2350 01:43:28,419 --> 01:43:30,682 It's staggering. 2351 01:43:30,726 --> 01:43:32,336 [NARRATOR] With comic book characters 2352 01:43:32,380 --> 01:43:34,208 dominating popular culture, 2353 01:43:34,251 --> 01:43:37,907 in 2013 Warner Brothers and DC looked to revive 2354 01:43:37,950 --> 01:43:40,736 the original blockbuster superhero. 2355 01:43:40,779 --> 01:43:42,912 With a story by theBatman Begins team 2356 01:43:42,955 --> 01:43:45,349 of Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer, 2357 01:43:45,393 --> 01:43:47,786 director Zach Snyder behind the camera 2358 01:43:47,830 --> 01:43:51,007 and young British actor Henry Cavill in the lead role, 2359 01:43:51,050 --> 01:43:55,403 Man of Steel sought to bring Superman into the modern age. 2360 01:43:55,446 --> 01:43:58,319 And despite some negative reactions, 2361 01:43:58,362 --> 01:44:00,756 its commercial performance convinced Warners 2362 01:44:00,799 --> 01:44:03,628 to press ahead with plans for a sequel. 2363 01:44:03,672 --> 01:44:05,587 Yet the success of The Avengers 2364 01:44:05,630 --> 01:44:07,719 and Marvel's interconnected universe 2365 01:44:07,763 --> 01:44:10,156 had sent shockwaves through the film industry, 2366 01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:12,811 and conventional blockbuster franchises 2367 01:44:12,855 --> 01:44:16,032 no longer seemed so attractive. 2368 01:44:16,075 --> 01:44:18,469 [SCOTT MENDELSON] Hollywood gets the idea that 2369 01:44:18,513 --> 01:44:20,602 because The Avengers did so well, 2370 01:44:20,645 --> 01:44:24,214 they all should be chasing cinematic universes. 2371 01:44:24,258 --> 01:44:28,305 and I think that's the negative impact of The Avengers. 2372 01:44:28,349 --> 01:44:29,959 One that we're still feeling today, 2373 01:44:30,002 --> 01:44:35,225 one that I think may eventually have terrible repercussions 2374 01:44:35,269 --> 01:44:37,401 for theatrical movie-going overall. 2375 01:44:37,445 --> 01:44:39,098 Because we really don't have any evidence, 2376 01:44:39,142 --> 01:44:40,709 we don't have much evidence 2377 01:44:40,752 --> 01:44:43,625 that audiences actually want these cinematic universes 2378 01:44:43,668 --> 01:44:45,757 as opposed to they like The Avengers. 2379 01:44:45,801 --> 01:44:49,152 Man of Steelmay have been intended at the time 2380 01:44:49,195 --> 01:44:51,328 as a stand alone Superman picture, 2381 01:44:51,372 --> 01:44:54,418 but between Man of Steelbeing greenlit 2382 01:44:54,462 --> 01:44:56,681 and The Avengers making a billion and a half dollars, 2383 01:44:56,725 --> 01:44:59,075 they go, yeah, we're going to eventually make this 2384 01:44:59,118 --> 01:45:01,382 into what we now know is the DC films universe 2385 01:45:01,425 --> 01:45:03,340 for better or worse. 2386 01:45:03,384 --> 01:45:05,647 [NARRATOR] With Christian Bale's Dark Knight 2387 01:45:05,690 --> 01:45:07,910 still fresh in audiences' memories, 2388 01:45:07,953 --> 01:45:10,521 Warners nevertheless looked to bring the character 2389 01:45:10,565 --> 01:45:13,219 into the world of Man of Steel, 2390 01:45:13,263 --> 01:45:16,222 and aBatman v Superman project was quickly announced 2391 01:45:16,266 --> 01:45:18,181 as the next in a series of films 2392 01:45:18,224 --> 01:45:21,053 that would include big screen outings for Wonder Woman, 2393 01:45:21,097 --> 01:45:24,796 Aquaman and other members of DC's Justice League. 2394 01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:27,712 And without a Kevin Feige pulling the strings 2395 01:45:27,756 --> 01:45:29,627 and ensuring coherence, 2396 01:45:29,671 --> 01:45:31,934 the studio looked to director Zack Snyder 2397 01:45:31,977 --> 01:45:33,283 to drive the creative vision 2398 01:45:33,327 --> 01:45:35,590 for this interconnected universe. 2399 01:45:35,633 --> 01:45:38,419 Casting Ben Affleck as a new Caped Crusader 2400 01:45:38,462 --> 01:45:40,595 and introducing Gal Gadot 2401 01:45:40,638 --> 01:45:42,771 as the first big screen Wonder Woman, 2402 01:45:42,814 --> 01:45:46,862 upon its release, Batman v SUPERMAN: Dawn of Justice 2403 01:45:46,905 --> 01:45:51,823 came under fire from audiences and critics alike. 2404 01:45:51,867 --> 01:45:53,477 [SCOTT BEATTY] When you look at the DC films, 2405 01:45:53,521 --> 01:45:56,959 certainly there is a lot of Zack Snyder coming into it. 2406 01:45:57,002 --> 01:45:58,961 Zack Snyder, who directed Watchmen, 2407 01:45:59,004 --> 01:46:04,358 the first real nihilistic take on superheroes - 2408 01:46:04,401 --> 01:46:06,838 superheroes who are faced with not winning, 2409 01:46:06,882 --> 01:46:08,927 the unwinnable situation. 2410 01:46:08,971 --> 01:46:13,018 With Man of Steel and Batman v Superman Dawn of Justice 2411 01:46:13,062 --> 01:46:15,586 those films have gone down a dark road 2412 01:46:15,630 --> 01:46:17,675 because we don't believe in the heroes. 2413 01:46:19,242 --> 01:46:20,591 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 2414 01:46:27,642 --> 01:46:29,426 Next time they shine your light in the sky 2415 01:46:30,340 --> 01:46:32,168 don't go to it. 2416 01:46:32,211 --> 01:46:34,518 The Bat is dead, buried. 2417 01:46:36,259 --> 01:46:38,304 Consider this mercy. 2418 01:46:39,871 --> 01:46:41,699 Tell me... 2419 01:46:45,399 --> 01:46:48,750 Do you bleed? 2420 01:46:48,793 --> 01:46:51,230 [JENNA BUSCH] I've wanted to see Batman and Superman 2421 01:46:51,274 --> 01:46:54,277 fight since I was a little kid. That's so cool. 2422 01:46:54,320 --> 01:46:56,453 I should have gone crazy over this movie. 2423 01:46:56,497 --> 01:47:00,370 But I feel like it was just too processed. 2424 01:47:00,414 --> 01:47:03,199 I think we've gone too far with the gritty. 2425 01:47:03,242 --> 01:47:07,246 I think there wasn't any sense of fun about this movie. 2426 01:47:07,290 --> 01:47:10,119 It just felt like Superman was depressed 2427 01:47:10,162 --> 01:47:12,338 and Batman was angry and then they fought. 2428 01:47:12,382 --> 01:47:14,471 Then Wonder Woman comes in and she's great. 2429 01:47:14,515 --> 01:47:17,779 Then, we're all angry again and everyone's depressed. 2430 01:47:17,822 --> 01:47:21,870 It's just all dark and it feels dreary. 2431 01:47:21,913 --> 01:47:24,829 [ROSIE FLETCHER] Dawn of Justice is a bad film 2432 01:47:24,873 --> 01:47:26,527 and part of the reason it's a bad film 2433 01:47:26,570 --> 01:47:30,139 is because of how massively it betrays 2434 01:47:30,182 --> 01:47:32,097 both Batman and Superman, 2435 01:47:32,141 --> 01:47:35,797 making them both into absolute petulant idiots. 2436 01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:38,582 They're both violent and selfish and stupid. 2437 01:47:38,626 --> 01:47:40,584 And actually it completely ruins Lois Lane as well 2438 01:47:40,628 --> 01:47:42,717 and makes her into a terrible damsel in distress 2439 01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:45,197 who's a complete liability for the whole film. 2440 01:47:45,241 --> 01:47:47,635 It felt like a total betrayal 2441 01:47:47,678 --> 01:47:50,333 of these characters that we'd loved for such a long time 2442 01:47:50,376 --> 01:47:53,989 and a massive misunderstanding. 2443 01:47:54,032 --> 01:47:56,948 [NARRATOR] While DC's attempt to launch a rival 2444 01:47:56,992 --> 01:48:00,474 to Marvel's cinematic universe proved hugely divisive, 2445 01:48:00,517 --> 01:48:02,432 elsewhere superhero films 2446 01:48:02,476 --> 01:48:04,739 were going from strength to strength 2447 01:48:04,782 --> 01:48:06,784 and their stock within the wider film industry 2448 01:48:06,828 --> 01:48:09,526 continued to rise. 2449 01:48:09,570 --> 01:48:12,137 A thoroughly refreshed X-Men franchise 2450 01:48:12,181 --> 01:48:14,879 saw director Bryan Singer return to the helm 2451 01:48:14,923 --> 01:48:16,577 and combine his original heroes 2452 01:48:16,620 --> 01:48:18,579 with a new, younger cast 2453 01:48:18,622 --> 01:48:21,669 inDays of Future Past, which quickly became 2454 01:48:21,712 --> 01:48:24,976 the most commercially successful film in the series. 2455 01:48:25,020 --> 01:48:27,370 Elsewhere, Marvel Studios seemed like 2456 01:48:27,413 --> 01:48:29,111 it could do no wrong, 2457 01:48:29,154 --> 01:48:31,635 and alongside a second outing forThe Avengers, 2458 01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:33,115 fresh films emerged 2459 01:48:33,158 --> 01:48:35,291 that brought even less familiar characters 2460 01:48:35,334 --> 01:48:38,555 from the publisher's past to a global audience. 2461 01:48:38,599 --> 01:48:40,644 [GEOFF BOUCHER] Marvel Studios, they're on fire. 2462 01:48:40,688 --> 01:48:42,080 WithGuardians of the Galaxy 2463 01:48:42,124 --> 01:48:45,562 Marvel showed, we can make a billion with people 2464 01:48:45,606 --> 01:48:48,130 that even comic book fans don't even know who they are. 2465 01:48:48,173 --> 01:48:50,175 [NEAL ADAMS] Guardians of the Galaxy, 2466 01:48:50,219 --> 01:48:52,438 a title you can barely remember 2467 01:48:52,482 --> 01:48:54,136 which was, no offense guys, 2468 01:48:54,179 --> 01:48:56,312 but one of the worst comic books ever done 2469 01:48:56,355 --> 01:49:00,490 and they turned it into a fantastic movie. 2470 01:49:00,534 --> 01:49:02,536 But that's all they had. 2471 01:49:02,579 --> 01:49:05,321 The reason they did it was because they had nothing else. 2472 01:49:05,364 --> 01:49:07,628 They didn't have Daredevil, X-Men, 2473 01:49:07,671 --> 01:49:10,587 Spider-Man, Fantastic Four. 2474 01:49:10,631 --> 01:49:12,110 They'd licenced them all out. 2475 01:49:12,154 --> 01:49:14,591 What kind of deal were they making with Disney? 2476 01:49:14,635 --> 01:49:16,985 Disney in a weird way bought a pig in a poke. 2477 01:49:17,028 --> 01:49:20,118 But at the same time, they took that pig in a poke 2478 01:49:20,162 --> 01:49:22,556 and made it into gold. 2479 01:49:23,905 --> 01:49:25,559 Each one of them, 2480 01:49:25,602 --> 01:49:28,474 they're varying degrees of good and great 2481 01:49:28,518 --> 01:49:30,564 but they haven't had anything that's overtly terrible. 2482 01:49:30,607 --> 01:49:32,870 They haven't had anything that's a massive flop. 2483 01:49:32,914 --> 01:49:36,613 They haven't dropped the ball. Even Ant-Man, for God's sake. 2484 01:49:36,657 --> 01:49:39,703 If you talk about superheroes that should have never worked 2485 01:49:39,747 --> 01:49:42,140 should have never been able to work... Ant-Man. 2486 01:49:42,184 --> 01:49:44,316 What's the one movie that will never work? 2487 01:49:44,360 --> 01:49:47,493 Ant-Man. And it was great. 2488 01:49:47,537 --> 01:49:51,541 [BRADFORD WRIGHT] In some ways Ant-Man is the triumphant kiss 2489 01:49:51,585 --> 01:49:54,413 that Marvel can say, "We've done it." 2490 01:49:54,457 --> 01:49:56,894 That we can even get away with an Ant-Man movie. 2491 01:49:56,938 --> 01:49:59,549 For so long that would be a joke. It was a joke. 2492 01:49:59,593 --> 01:50:01,899 Will we ever see an Ant-Man movie? 2493 01:50:01,943 --> 01:50:04,075 Will we even see an Ant-Man comic book again? 2494 01:50:04,119 --> 01:50:07,252 The fact that Marvel was able to pull that off 2495 01:50:07,296 --> 01:50:10,168 in a successful film again with good casting... 2496 01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:13,650 That was Marvel's way of saying, 2497 01:50:13,694 --> 01:50:17,654 we can get away with anything. 2498 01:50:17,698 --> 01:50:19,090 [NARRATOR] And in the preceding years, 2499 01:50:19,134 --> 01:50:21,876 the studio continued to bring its Midas touch 2500 01:50:21,919 --> 01:50:24,269 to both sequels and new projects, 2501 01:50:24,313 --> 01:50:27,664 with Doctor Strange making his cinematic debut 2502 01:50:27,708 --> 01:50:31,625 and Spider-Man finally brought into the Marvel universe. 2503 01:50:31,668 --> 01:50:34,758 Elsewhere theX-Men franchise expanded, 2504 01:50:34,802 --> 01:50:37,979 with two groundbreaking movies aimed at an adult audience. 2505 01:50:38,022 --> 01:50:41,809 Deadpool blended extreme violence with acerbic comedy 2506 01:50:41,852 --> 01:50:43,811 and became a global sensation, 2507 01:50:43,854 --> 01:50:47,162 while Logan was Hugh Jackman's swansong asWolverine, 2508 01:50:47,205 --> 01:50:49,773 the somber closing chapter for the character 2509 01:50:49,817 --> 01:50:51,732 that had launched his career. 2510 01:50:51,775 --> 01:50:55,083 Having dominated popular culture for over a decade, 2511 01:50:55,126 --> 01:50:56,693 in the wake of these films, 2512 01:50:56,737 --> 01:50:59,522 comic book adaptations still offered new opportunities 2513 01:50:59,565 --> 01:51:02,133 for both the studios and cinemagoers. 2514 01:51:02,177 --> 01:51:04,048 And this was nowhere more apparent 2515 01:51:04,092 --> 01:51:05,528 than in two revolutionary films 2516 01:51:05,571 --> 01:51:07,225 released by DC and Marvel 2517 01:51:07,269 --> 01:51:09,358 within a 12-month period. 2518 01:51:09,401 --> 01:51:12,535 Wonder Woman finally gave this 75-year old character 2519 01:51:12,578 --> 01:51:13,884 a film of her own, 2520 01:51:13,928 --> 01:51:16,321 with Patty Jenkins the first ever woman 2521 01:51:16,365 --> 01:51:19,498 to helm an American studio superhero movie. 2522 01:51:19,542 --> 01:51:22,110 Marvel's Black Panther, on the other hand, 2523 01:51:22,153 --> 01:51:26,157 gave Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's landmark African superhero 2524 01:51:26,201 --> 01:51:28,551 a historic solo vehicle. 2525 01:51:28,594 --> 01:51:31,423 [ROSIE FLETCHER] Studio execs in the past would have said, 2526 01:51:31,467 --> 01:51:34,775 "We can't do a female led movie because it won't sell. 2527 01:51:34,818 --> 01:51:37,212 We can't do a movie led by a person of color, 2528 01:51:37,255 --> 01:51:39,780 or people of color being the predominant cast 2529 01:51:39,823 --> 01:51:42,608 because it won't sell. Well, you're wrong. 2530 01:51:42,652 --> 01:51:44,088 [JENNA BUSCH] People love Wonder Woman. 2531 01:51:44,132 --> 01:51:45,699 You don't have to be a girl to love Wonder Woman. 2532 01:51:45,742 --> 01:51:47,048 Everybody loves Wonder Woman. 2533 01:51:47,091 --> 01:51:48,702 I think it's taken so long to get Wonder Woman 2534 01:51:48,745 --> 01:51:51,269 to the big screen, because everyone was afraid 2535 01:51:51,313 --> 01:51:52,923 to do a female superhero movie 2536 01:51:52,967 --> 01:51:55,230 and you hold up films like Catwoman and Elektra 2537 01:51:55,273 --> 01:51:57,362 and say, "Oh, well, that's what... 2538 01:51:57,406 --> 01:51:58,624 'cause women can't be superheroes." 2539 01:51:58,668 --> 01:52:01,236 Well, no, they have to be in good movies. 2540 01:52:01,279 --> 01:52:03,368 I know when Gal Gadot was cast 2541 01:52:03,412 --> 01:52:04,630 people were a little concerned. 2542 01:52:04,674 --> 01:52:07,416 "Oh, well, she doesn't look this way." 2543 01:52:07,459 --> 01:52:08,460 Screw that. She was fantastic. 2544 01:52:08,504 --> 01:52:10,593 [DRAMATIC MUSIC] 2545 01:52:17,513 --> 01:52:19,341 [ROSIE FLETCHER] It was extremely important 2546 01:52:19,384 --> 01:52:21,299 and extremely significant as a movie. 2547 01:52:21,343 --> 01:52:23,562 It's ridiculous, quite honestly, 2548 01:52:23,606 --> 01:52:25,782 that we've had these universes since, 2549 01:52:25,826 --> 01:52:30,004 well, even if we just talk about MCU and DC it's 2008. 2550 01:52:30,047 --> 01:52:36,532 That's ten years that we haven't got a single female lead. 2551 01:52:36,575 --> 01:52:38,621 We have secondary characters around. 2552 01:52:38,664 --> 01:52:40,318 We've got Black Widow who is amazing 2553 01:52:40,362 --> 01:52:43,147 played by Scarlett Johansson, one of the most famous, 2554 01:52:43,191 --> 01:52:44,845 bankable actresses in the world 2555 01:52:44,888 --> 01:52:46,411 and she can't get her own movie. 2556 01:52:46,455 --> 01:52:47,978 This is absolute insanity. 2557 01:52:48,022 --> 01:52:50,372 Wonder Woman coming out, 2558 01:52:50,415 --> 01:52:51,895 being directed by a woman 2559 01:52:51,939 --> 01:52:55,116 having a very strong supportive cast of women 2560 01:52:55,159 --> 01:52:57,074 was a very significant thing. 2561 01:52:57,118 --> 01:52:59,120 [MATT MAYTUM] DC beat Marvel to the punch 2562 01:52:59,163 --> 01:53:03,211 in terms of getting a female superhero their first film. 2563 01:53:03,254 --> 01:53:06,823 Then obviously Marvel have come out with Black Panther 2564 01:53:06,867 --> 01:53:10,218 and I think it is a hugely important cultural moment 2565 01:53:10,261 --> 01:53:13,482 having this film led by people of color set in Africa, 2566 01:53:13,525 --> 01:53:17,225 and the film does deal with issues of race head on. 2567 01:53:17,268 --> 01:53:18,835 [ROSIE FLETCHER] It's not just that this is led 2568 01:53:18,879 --> 01:53:22,665 by a black guy. The cast is predominantly black. 2569 01:53:22,708 --> 01:53:24,841 And that actually is really groundbreaking. 2570 01:53:24,885 --> 01:53:26,843 It's not something we've seen in that universe. 2571 01:53:26,887 --> 01:53:29,324 It's not something we've seen in any superhero universe 2572 01:53:29,367 --> 01:53:32,327 or even in fact in any massive blockbuster universe. 2573 01:53:32,370 --> 01:53:33,807 So it is groundbreaking 2574 01:53:33,850 --> 01:53:35,591 and by giving it to Ryan Coogler, 2575 01:53:35,634 --> 01:53:37,158 who is a fantastic director, 2576 01:53:37,201 --> 01:53:39,813 who'd made Fruitvale Station and Creed, 2577 01:53:39,856 --> 01:53:41,379 both with Michael B. Jordan, 2578 01:53:41,423 --> 01:53:44,078 and it seems giving him a fairly free reign 2579 01:53:44,121 --> 01:53:45,993 to tell the story that he wanted to tell, 2580 01:53:46,036 --> 01:53:47,690 what actually you have 2581 01:53:47,733 --> 01:53:50,562 is a very important, very political, 2582 01:53:52,260 --> 01:53:55,393 really uplifting, very ground breaking movie 2583 01:53:55,437 --> 01:53:57,874 that does still feel like a Marvel movie. 2584 01:53:57,918 --> 01:54:01,922 To use the MCU to be able to talk about issues 2585 01:54:01,965 --> 01:54:07,841 that we probably wouldn't see in the multiplexes is amazing. 2586 01:54:07,884 --> 01:54:09,190 [NARRATOR] As the enormity 2587 01:54:09,233 --> 01:54:11,670 of Black Panther's cultural significance 2588 01:54:11,714 --> 01:54:13,585 and commercial success has proven, 2589 01:54:13,629 --> 01:54:15,936 superheroes remain not only popular 2590 01:54:15,979 --> 01:54:19,417 but hugely influential. 2591 01:54:19,461 --> 01:54:22,812 With global audiences still being introduced to characters 2592 01:54:22,856 --> 01:54:25,902 who have existed in the comics world for half a century, 2593 01:54:25,946 --> 01:54:27,861 the wealth of heroes and stories 2594 01:54:27,904 --> 01:54:30,776 yet to make the transition from the page to the screen 2595 01:54:30,820 --> 01:54:33,867 suggests that this popularity will endure. 2596 01:54:36,782 --> 01:54:39,307 And although the prominence of these icons 2597 01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:42,005 is at its highest point since their inception, 2598 01:54:42,049 --> 01:54:43,398 the comic book itself 2599 01:54:43,441 --> 01:54:47,358 has retained its specialist reputation. 2600 01:54:47,402 --> 01:54:51,319 Never returning to its sales peak of the 1990s, 2601 01:54:51,362 --> 01:54:53,495 as the print media becomes less relevant 2602 01:54:53,538 --> 01:54:55,149 in our modern age, 2603 01:54:55,192 --> 01:54:57,542 the artform that launched this global phenomenon 2604 01:54:57,586 --> 01:55:01,024 remains largely ignored. 2605 01:55:01,068 --> 01:55:03,026 [CHUCK DIXON] As far as how comics were regarded 2606 01:55:03,070 --> 01:55:05,376 I don't think they were regarded any different. 2607 01:55:05,420 --> 01:55:06,856 You either like them or you don't like them. 2608 01:55:06,900 --> 01:55:09,163 A lot of people just don't like comics. 2609 01:55:09,206 --> 01:55:13,123 And there's thankfully people who do like them a whole lot. 2610 01:55:15,821 --> 01:55:17,780 [CHRIS CLAREMONT] For me, the key to it 2611 01:55:17,823 --> 01:55:20,826 is going to New York, 2612 01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:23,307 San Diego, wherever, 2613 01:55:23,351 --> 01:55:24,961 and having people stand in line 2614 01:55:25,005 --> 01:55:27,703 for three or four hours 2615 01:55:27,746 --> 01:55:30,314 and come up and say I read this book. 2616 01:55:30,358 --> 01:55:33,535 This book is cool. These characters are cool. 2617 01:55:33,578 --> 01:55:36,103 This book was important to me. 2618 01:55:36,146 --> 01:55:39,497 It helped me through a period of my life. 2619 01:55:39,541 --> 01:55:41,108 I thought this book was cool. 2620 01:55:41,151 --> 01:55:43,545 I've given it to my kids. 2621 01:55:43,588 --> 01:55:45,329 We think it's cool too. 2622 01:55:49,377 --> 01:55:51,205 Somehow or other, 2623 01:55:51,248 --> 01:55:52,597 somehow we did something right. 206611

Can't find what you're looking for?
Get subtitles in any language from opensubtitles.com, and translate them here.