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- ♪♪ MTV ♪♪

- I won't say that
I'm happy about

this whole co-parenting thing.

Since I've moved to Tennessee,
he's been a black cloud

that hangs over us.

- I go to meetings.

I got a sponsor.
- Great.

- I do everything
they tell me to do.

- That's Ryan's cake
for being good.

- What?

- And he made it.

- Benny baby's turning 16.

- Maci, I would love to
help get him his car.

- Well, Ryan's come a long way
in the last year.

He seems like he's doing good.

- Have you heard from
Brandon and Teresa at all?

- I've been sending like
updates about what we're doing,

pictures with the kids.

- What I don't understand,
though, is that some of these

are not delivered.

- Well, if they
don't say delivered,

that means I'm blocked.
- What?

What's an appropriate time
frame to send something?

- I think the one thing that we
haven't tried, right,

is just a pause.

Not forever.

Just allow yourself
to take a pause.

- I ain't been feeling well.

I've been cramping.
My stomach.

- Dad said, I was fine when
I was on the pain medication.

I told him, I was like,
yeah, it was being masked.

It really sucks that he's
actually doing the right thing.

He's been sober about a year,
and then this happens.

They found a mass on his
kidney, and the mass is cancer.

[horn honking]

- I love you.

- Thank you.

- Have you talked
to your mom lately?

- No, not really.

Like, I want Kristina
to adopt me.

- Because she's not had
any significant contact

with her mother
over the last six months,

that's deemed as abandonment.

- I've never been a mom
that didn't care.

- I do have, like,
abandonment issues

from her not being around.

And I'm always scared that
Kristina is going to leave me.

[upbeat music]

♪♪ ♪♪

- ♪♪ Sometimes you gotta
flow with the motion ♪♪

♪♪ Jump, jump, jump,
jump in the ocean ♪♪

♪♪ Holding hands,
staring into the sunrise ♪♪

- Vaeda, it's not recording.

- [babbling]

- So me and Dad are going to
be leaving for a few days.

We're starting a podcast.

"Cate And Ty Break It Down."

- What's that?

- A podcast is where, like, me
and Dad will talk to each other

about different topics and
interview people and stuff,

and then other people
listen to it.

- What are you going to
talk about on your podcast?

- We're going to talk about
being parents, being married.

We're going to talk
about adoption.

- Addiction and mental health.
- Oh.

- I'm a little nervous
of doing a podcast.

Honestly,
I think that my biggest fear

is if people are going
to even like our podcast.

Will it flop?
I don't know.

I hope not.

I hope people enjoy it.

But I mean, I have friends
that do podcasts, like Maci.

- Hi, and welcome back
to "The Expired Podcast."

I'm Natalie. This is Maci.

- We basically are covering
local crimes

that are currently going on,
cold cases.

- And Kail from "Teen Mom 2."

- Welcome to another episode
of "Coffee Convos Podcast."

And we have a guest today.

We're going to
get right into it.

And it's Devoin, not Devon.

- Devoin, correct.
- OK. All right.

Hey, guys, welcome
to "Coffee Convos."

And we have Catelynn
and Tyler here.

- Hello, hello.
- Hi.

- We signed with
Kail's podcast company.

So there's going to be
a podcast swap

in Chattanooga, right?

- Yes.

So Kail and I both think
that would be a really good

opportunity if you guys
wanted to come out

to Chattanooga to
participate in the killer

trip for pod swaps.

We find them super beneficial,
because it gives everybody

access to, like,
all of the hosts.

- Awesome.

Can't wait to fly out there
and get this going.

- They thought it
would be a good idea

to confront critics head on
and have conversations.

So they booked Jordy Cray
as a guest.

- He's a hater.

He's a celebrity-esque,
a gossip influencer.

- He is a TikTok guy
who gossips about

what we've been sharing
and stuff.

- What Catelynn and Tyler
fail to understand

is that they are not
"normal people."

Catelynn and Tyler have learned
from a very early age

how to manipulate situations
and act like a victim

in order to gain sympathy.

Harley is not their child.

- You know, if you're
going to talk about my life

and say things online
to thousands of people,

you should have the full truth
and the full scope of things,

so that way you
are spreading facts

and not false information.

I mean, it is always
nerve-racking

when you have to
interview somebody or talk

to somebody who doesn't
understand or believe you,

in a sense, maybe.

So I don't know.
We'll see.

- ♪♪ Dance, my darling ♪♪

♪♪ Move how you live ♪♪

♪♪ ♪♪

- It feels so good outside.

OK, so Cate and Ty
are coming to Chattanooga.

- Really?
- Yeah.

They're starting
a podcast together.

And Kail, who used to be on
"Teen Mom," like "Teen Mom 2."

- Yep.

- She's coming as well.
- Really?

- Mm-hmm.
- That's cool.

- I didn't think I was going to
be pregnant for my big wedding.

- Who gives this woman to
be married to this man?

- I am.

- I'm, like, excited
to have a baby.

I'm just feeling
overwhelmed right now.

- Hi, it's good
to see you again.

- How are you?
- I'm good. How are you?

- Said that we raised
the 800 bucks

in the first 25 minutes.

- Are you serious?

- The Mr. and Mrs. Baltierra.

[cheers and applause]

- So me and Catelynn
and Kail get

to, like, hang out
in the podcast swap.

- Right.

- I'm really excited that our
friends are coming into town.

- I'm excited to see them
too and excited

to show them our hometown, so--

- Yay for friends
coming to town.

- ♪♪ It's about to go down ♪♪

♪♪ It's about to go down ♪♪

- Never been to
Chattanooga before.

- I said, now we're here,
we can start talking like this.

- Yeah.

- Hey, Bentley.

[laughs]

- ♪♪ Yeah,
it's about to go down ♪♪

- I'm excited to record
a couple of our episodes

and get those banked
for when it drops.

- Yeah.

I didn't realize
they live in a suburb.

- Mm-hmm.

- This is like one of those
towns you see on the movies

where they pan up and the
kids are riding their bikes.

- Yeah.

- ♪♪ I'm so lucky that
I got you, got you ♪♪

- Y'all gotta yell,
"welcome to Chattanooga."

- [laughs]

- ♪♪ I'm so lucky ♪♪

- Hey.

- ♪♪ So take me away ♪♪

♪♪ We all let go ♪♪

♪♪ ♪♪

- What are you doing?

- Nothing.

- It still blows my mind. 16.

So for your birthday dinner,
what do you want to do?

- You want to do
Matteo's again?

- Yeah.

- Maybe it'll be a better year.
- Yeah.

- So I have a new boyfriend.

- As long as he
makes you happy.

- The [bleep] are
you talking about?

That's her being a dick.

- Sorry, Leah.

- What are saying
you sorry for?

- Do you not see?

- Can you both stop, please?

- Jesus [bleep] Christ, dude.

- Let's do a redo.
- A redo?

Which leads me to knowing
you don't want to invite--

- Uh-uh.
- OK.

- I'm not really sure
when I realized

when Amber, like,
wasn't there.

Maybe somewhere around when
I was like 8 to 10 years

old, maybe.

I don't want her around,
but I do have

abandonment issues from it.

It doesn't hurt me
that she's not here.

It's just the fact that she
did it in the first place

when she was supposed to be
there is what's affecting me.

I have abandonment issues,
but that's OK,

because I don't care.

- The whole abandonment
issues suck.

I've been taking care of you
and raising you since

you was three, turning four.

And you still have that fear
that I'm going to go somewhere.

That's a tough one.

No matter how much I can try
to prove that I'm staying.

- It's not that you
have to prove anything.

- It's just something that
you have to work through?

- It's just an internal
feeling that I'm going

to have forever probably.

- I know you and your therapist
are working on those,

and hopefully you'll be
able to overcome those.

And it's not your fault.

- I don't feel that way.

It's just when you--

if anybody brings it up,
then I just, like, cry.

- I'm sorry.

- It's complicated.

- Yeah, I think so.

- ♪♪ Help me find what
I'm looking for ♪♪

♪♪ Something more ♪♪

- ♪♪ Make your move ♪♪

♪♪ Make your move ♪♪

♪♪ Take your shot ♪♪

♪♪ Show me what you got ♪♪

♪♪ You make your move ♪♪

♪♪ No time to waste ♪♪

♪♪ Get up and play ♪♪

♪♪ Light up the room ♪♪

- How's school going?

both: Good.

- So Aleeah went with
your dad this weekend.

So that way she could go and
work at a concert...

I was invited to speak
at a recovery

and overdose awareness event.

Of course, I experienced
addiction myself.

After I had Addie,
I started taking

prescription pain medication
and became hooked to that.

And you got to be careful.

Like, when you're prescribed
that kind of stuff,

your body can
become hooked to it,

and then you don't
even realize it.

I didn't realize it.

- That's why I haven't
been taking, like, mine.

- Yeah, after you had
that dental procedure,

they prescribed
you hydrocodone,

and that's exactly
what I started taking.

So I'm going to speak
on my recovery journey.

And I wanted you guys to go.
- Mm-hmm.

- I invited my dad to go too,
because within my speech,

I'm going to acknowledge him.

- Is he coming?

- He was just able to
get the cancer removed,

but he's still
not feeling 100%.

So he won't be at the event.

- Are you excited
or are you nervous?

- A little bit of both.
I'm excited.

The opioid crisis here,
the statistics

have gotten higher in the
state of West Virginia,

although they've
lowered nationally.

Hopefully, we can change that.

That's why these events
are important.

I love you.
- I love you.

- Thank you.

[upbeat music]

- ♪♪ Don't slow me down ♪♪

♪♪ Let's see the world

♪♪ I'm on my way ♪♪

♪♪ 'Cause you ain't me ♪♪

♪♪ You ain't me ♪♪

- Hey.

We're getting a greeting?

- Don't hit the new whip.

[laughter]

Hey, guys.

Hey, what's up man?

What's happening?

Hey, what's up?

What's up, man?

I'm in your neck
of the woods now.

What's up, Bentley?
What's up?

How you doing, Jayde?

- How are you?

- Hey, Mav, I'm Catelynn.

Good to see you all.

- Say hi.

- I remember when you
were just a little thing.

- ♪♪ I've been
a long time coming ♪♪

♪♪ I've been a
long time coming ♪♪

- So pretty, Mace.

- Thank you.

- They have school
tomorrow, right?

- Yeah.
- OK.

- We got pizza.
- I ain't trying to--

- Hope y'all like pizza.

- Tyler, you want
to see outside?

- Yeah, let's check it out.

Oh, what's up?

- Y'all can go up to
the shop if you want.

- I can't believe how big
your oldest is.

- I know.

He's been driving.
- Is that scary?

- Yes.

It's terrifying.
- Yeah, yeah.

- It is.

It's, in my opinion, kind of
inevitable for even the best

kids, like,
they're going to screw up.

- Oh, yeah.

That's what growing is.
- Yeah.

- You do stupid
[bleep] sometimes,

and you gotta work through it.

- You gotta [bleep] around
to find out.

- Pretty much. Yeah.

That's how I got
pregnant at 16.

I thought, oh, it's
happening to everybody else.

It ain't going to happen to me.
- Right.

- You know? Like--
[doorbell rings]

Oh, that's the pizza.

I'm going to grab it
real quick.

- This is really nice.
- Thank you.

- Isn't it crazy what you're
giving your kids, though?

You ever, like, look back
and just think, like, damn.

- We got one that's three years
away from going to college.

- Dude.

Whipping around that Jeep.

- So when we bought that,
we went with Ryan and Amanda.

- You bought it.

Ryan didn't buy it
with his money.

Or did he?
- We split it.

- Oh, you did?
- We went up there together?

Yeah.
- Holy [bleep].

- Yeah.
- Wow.

OK.

See how fast life can change
in five years?

Five years ago, you're
like, yeah, right.

It'll never happen.
- Ready to kill each other.

- Wow, dude.

Do you see any
difference in Bentley?

Does he seem just more
relaxed and just--

- Oh, yeah. Yeah.
- Yeah.

- Like, you could tell
there's just

a weight off of his shoulders.

- A different vibe.
- Yeah.

- I mean, I would have killed
to see my dad sober

at that age.

But you and--
you and Ryan, I know

you guys have had your little,
you know, up and down and--

- It's gotten better, but
I feel like there was just

a lot of stuff that just kind
of has been pushed to the side.

And I know he's reached out
to Maci and apologized

and apologized to his parents

for a lot of the stuff
he's done.

- But you're saying
he hasn't reached out

and apologized to you?

- Yeah.
- Yeah.

- Will you please
shut this door?

- Rock and roll with the pizza.

- Yep.

- ♪♪ I've got that feeling
on the inside ♪♪

- I feel like I'm at home.

- Here, Mav.

- I was talking to
Tyler yesterday.

I said, I'm excited to
see Kail because it's

literally--it's been years.

- Yeah, Kail is a really
good resource to have,

especially for
something like this.

It's going to be
a long few days.

- Yeah.

- I definitely am super
nervous about doing

so many podcasts
our first go around,

but it just makes me excited.

- You'll find, like,
what's comfortable.

- Everyone starts somewhere.

- You'll figure out, like,
where the banter--

and it will become something
that listeners want to hear.

- Hell, yeah.

- Huh?
- Nothing.

- It's all right,
Nova's got a boyfriend, too.

- Everybody in, like,
fourth grade has a boyfriend.

- Yeah, Nova's got
a little boyfriend, too.

- Just because everybody has
one doesn't mean you need one.

- I know, but still.

- I met Nova's boyfriend the
first time at a field trip.

And he's like, if it's OK
with Nova's dad,

maybe I can come over
and I can spend the night.

And I said oh, no, no, no.

- We don't need her dad
for this one.

- ♪♪ Ooh la da da la da da ♪♪

♪♪ It's going to be
a perfect day ♪♪

- ♪♪ It's a bold new world ♪♪

♪♪ ♪♪

♪♪ It's a bold new world ♪♪

♪♪ It's a bold new world ♪♪

- We're doing mine first
or y'all's first?

- Ours.

And then "Expired: and then
"Barely Famous" with Kail.

Plus,
I have a wrestling tournament

and Amanda's baby shower
tomorrow.

- Oh, nice.

- What's so weird is that,
like, me and Amanda

actually do hang out.

- Do you guys really?
- Yeah.

Yeah?

- Separate from Ryan and
Bentley, all the things.

We went shopping at this, like,

little children, baby boutique.
- Mm-hmm.

- You need, like, 5 to 10
newborn outfits

and some that are sleeping
ones, maybe a couple sweaters.

- Thank you.

And I appreciate you
being here, Maci.

- Of course.

- It really--
it means a lot to me.

- Well, you know
I'm always here for you.

All right.
This is my treat.

- Thank you, Maci.

- You're welcome.

With her first pregnancy,
she was in active addiction.

And imagine, like, house arrest
but it's hospital arrest.

- OK.

- So kind of her first
time experiencing

pregnancy and all the things.
- Wow, that's crazy.

- Number one, in recovery and
sober, but also with healthy

friends and family
around her, you know?

- Yeah.

Oh, I love it.

So good.

Thank you so much.

- Are you ready?

- Let's go podcast.

[upbeat music]

- ♪♪ I'm going to shake it,
shake it ♪♪

♪♪ Taking my time ♪♪

- Hey.
- Hello.

We're here. Finally.

- I'm feeling really excited to
start the whole podcast venture

to give voices to people
who aren't necessarily

heard all the time.

- Are we good?

- ♪♪ Living
on the bright side ♪♪

- Can you believe we're here?

- Can you believe this is us?

Here we are.
- We're here.

- "Cate and Ty Break It Down,"
episode one.

- I know, right?

- What are we doing?
- You tell me.

- And we have so many,
like,

avenues we want to go with it.

Me and you have
great conversations,

even just up in our bed
when we're watching TV.

And I want it to feel
like that, you know?

- Yeah.

[upbeat music]

- I'm excited to have you guys
on "Cate and Ty Break It Down."

We're just going to
break some stuff down.

That's what we do.
You know what I mean?

- We're pretty good at it.

♪♪ ♪♪

- What do y'all know
about true crime?

Or do you listen to--
- I definitely listen.

- She watches crazy [bleep].
- I can sleep to it.

- How do you sleep
to this stuff?

- ♪♪ Come and get it now ♪♪

♪♪ Come and get it ♪♪

- Hi.
- Hi, how are you?

- Good.
- You look so cute.

- Thank you.
- Hello.

- Hi.
both: Nice to meet you.

- Oh, I feel like I know you.

- So nice to meet you. I know.

I can't believe
I'm in Chattanooga.

- I know.

- Cate and Ty are
just finishing up

one of their podcasts.

- ♪♪ Come and get it now ♪♪

- Tell me all the things.
Tell me.

Give me all the updates
on the kids.

- Oh, my gosh. It's weird.

Like, everyone's kids
are getting older.

- And our kid--we have kids
that are roughly the same age.

- Mm-hmm. How many kids
do you have now?

- Seven.

I never would have pictured
myself being here, but--

- To just keep having babies.

- I'm done now.
- You're done?

- Oh, yeah.
I got my tubes taken out.

- Taken out?
- Yes, they cut them out.

- Oh, thank God.
- It was rough.

Especially the last
ones being twins,

I'd probably have
triplets the next time.

And I didn't get a girl without
the boy, which is so funny.

So I'm like--
- That's poetic.

[laughter]

How are Jo and Vee?

Oh, you haven't talked to them?

- I try not to.

- You all just butt heads,
like, just 'cause?

- We just have two very,
very different perspectives

on pretty much everything.
- Yeah.

- Do you and Ryan also not see
eye to eye on a lot of things?

- He'll be sober two years.

And up until then, like,
we did not co-parent at all.

I co-parented with his parents.

You know? Like--
- OK.

- I feel like we're
just now building

a co-parenting relationship.

- Do you have a resentment
still, or are you just--

- No.
- No?

- No, I did a [bleep] load
of work

and started doing, like,
Al-Anon and stuff.

And I am not resentful.

I'm not angry at all.

I have learned and believe
and understand that I cannot

make up for what Ryan has done,
and it's not my responsibility.

- Make up in terms of
for Bentley?

- For Bentley.

I cannot do that.

Only Ryan can do that.

- I just can't even believe
that we're--

- Old?
- Yeah.

- But we're not.
But we're young.

My parents became
grandparents at 37.

- [gasps] We won't.

- Hell, no.
- We won't.

- By the grace of God and
common sense and communication.

- ♪♪ I just want to be
like this ♪♪

- ♪♪ You're a habit
I can't quit ♪♪

♪♪ But it's not like
I want to ♪♪

[phone rings]

- Hey, bubby.

- I'm gonna visit Indiana,
I'm pretty sure,

for a couple of days.

- How long are you
going to be here?

- Just a couple of days.

- Today being Leah's birthday,
I haven't slept for two days.

I haven't ate for two days.

It [bleep] sucks that my
daughter is turning 16

and she don't want to see me.

She already made it known

that she doesn't want me
in her life.

I got her presents anyways,
and I'm going

to write her a card today.
- Uh-huh.

- But I still got her
this glass golden rose,

just a really fluffy
white blankie,

and just some cute
little things.

Nothing crazy.
- Yeah.

I didn't, like, talk to her
talk to her.

She messaged me and told me
happy Veterans Day.

And then I messaged her
and I said,

hey, happy early birthday.

- She messaged you first?

- Yes.

- Well, I'm happy.

Did she sound good?

- Sounded like she was fine,
I guess.

You can only tell so much
from a text message, but--

- Yeah.

I really wish that
she could just

understand
that I can understand

what's going on right now.

And I do wish that I was
with her, but it's OK.

- This is the best advice
I can give you right now.

You've got two years
until Leah is an adult.

Without posting any blame
or any guilt.

I think we both know
that she's in a good place.

Gary is a good father to her.

And I would leave it at that.

- I just wish she could
forgive me one day.

Just one day.

I'll wait forever.

[somber music]

♪♪ ♪♪

- ♪♪ I'm gonna come up ♪♪

♪♪ You don't want to miss it ♪♪

♪♪ Don't want to miss it ♪♪

♪♪ I'm gonna come up ♪♪

- Today is the day of the
recovery and awareness event.

I feel great.

I'm going to step out there
and share my story and hope

that it
is inspirational for everyone.

If I get nervous
and mess up, it's OK.

You know what?
Tomorrow's a new day.

So Allie, if we can
find handicap parking,

that would be great,
right there.

Oh, my God.

both: You forgot the chair.

- We left in a hurry, and I did
not bring Allie's wheelchair.

I had it on charge.

- ♪♪ Coming up ♪♪

♪♪ I'm, I'm coming up ♪♪

♪♪ I'm coming up ♪♪

- Hi, how are you?
- Good.

I'm so glad you're here.
- Thank you.

- This is going to
be such a big event.

- I am excited to be here.

Thank you for having me.
- Let's go.

- All right.

- We don't want this
to be a sad thing.

We want to show them that
you don't have to be alone.

You can come out here,
we'll love on you,

and we'll also give you some
resources to where you can

live the rest of your life
with a group of people

who have walked through
the same thing you have.

- That's wonderful. I love it.
I'm excited.

Are you ready?
- Yeah, I'm ready.

Let's roll.
- All right, let's roll.

- ♪♪ It's about time ♪♪

♪♪ It's about time ♪♪

- So the next speaker we have,

we're very excited to bring
her up on stage.

Leah Messer from "Teen Mom,
The Next Chapter."

- Good afternoon, everyone.

First off, I just
want to say thank you

for having me
and being a part of something

that is so close to my heart.

Back in 2013, when I was
getting ready to welcome

my youngest daughter, Adalynn,

it felt like everything
was falling into place.

I was excited, happy, and I
thought my life was settled.

But as life goes,
things quickly took a turn.

During my C-section,
I had complications.

And the spinal fluid leakage
led to me

becoming hooked on
prescription pain medication.

For about a year,
I was living in what

I can only describe as a fog.

But I finally
reached a point where

I knew I had to make a change.

I flew to a treatment facility
with a 30-day deadline

to get back to my daughters.

That's where my road
to recovery began.

The recovery journey was tough,
but the best advice I can give

is to find your people.

Find your support.

Stay in therapy,
and get outdoors

as much as you possibly can.

Most people fall into addiction
because they're trying

to mask the symptoms
of anxiety and depression

without confronting
or sometimes even

acknowledging the root cause.

I also want to take a moment
to acknowledge

my dad, Gary Messer.

He's been clean for a year,
and we're working on rebuilding

our relationship.

Dad, I know you can't hear me,
but I really am

so proud of you,

and I can't wait
to see you on this stage

sharing your story.

So let's walk with hope
for a better tomorrow.

And I just want to thank you
guys so much

for having me here today.

And I love you guys,
and you got this.

Keep going.

[cheers and applause]

- ♪♪ To show you the love
which you can't buy ♪♪

- I'm sad my dad
couldn't be here,

but I completely understand.

My kids are getting older,
and they're getting to an age

where they're going to
be exposed to things.

Did I do well?
- Mm-hmm.

- Yeah?

Did I embarrass you guys?
- Yeah.

- A little bit?

- I don't want
my children or anyone else

to go through the hell
that I went through.

What I'm doing now
is preventing them

from experiencing
a lot that I've experienced

within my life.

[upbeat music]

♪♪ ♪♪

- Hi.
- Hey.

- What are you doing here?
- What are you doing here?

- No!
- Did y'all eat?

♪♪ ♪♪

- Hey.

- I feel like no time
has passed,

but all the time has passed.
- I know.

- Uh, yeah,
you're like five kids later.

What the [bleep]?

- Y'all need these.

- Yes, I do.

- Like, for your episodes.
- Uh-huh.

- OK, so catch me up to speed
on everything.

- What, a decade, Kail?

I don't have much time,
a whole damn decade.

- We were talking earlier
that our kids

are all roughly the same age,
like within a year

or two of each other.

So Raya is three.
- Yep.

- Yeah.
- Rio is about to be two.

And then I have
the one-year-old twins.

- Vaeda is five?

- Yeah, Vaeda's five.
- Vaeda's five.

- And Creed is four.

So they're all, like,
[bleep] a year apart.

- Yeah, eight, nine.

- Lincoln's 10.
- Yeah, weird.

- Lux is seven.

- Lincoln's 10? Holy [bleep].

Holy [bleep].

- What about Carly?

I need an update on Carly.
- Oh.

- We're just--silence.

That's it.
- That's it?

- That's where we're at.
Just ghosted.

- Why?

- Brandon and Teresa
straight up told

our adoption counselor, Dawn,
yeah,

I had to block her
for my mental health.

And I was like,
your mental health?

Your mental health, you know?

Like, it was the one time in
my life where I realized, whoa.

I mean, it was, like, anxiety.

Like, I literally felt
every emotion come up

when I hugged her in the
hospital room and told her bye.

You know, Dawn says that,

oh, Teresa said if
you guys are going

to have to have a talk
that she needs to have

a very sincere apology.
I said, you?

You need an apology?
For what?

For me putting the truth out
about how you are as a human

and what you did to us?

I deserve a [bleep] apology.

- So Carly's how old?

- 15.

- When does she turn 16?
- May.

- May.
- May.

- Knowing and acknowledging
that our kids

are about to be 16 years old
too, like, how does that feel?

Because her birthday
is coming up.

- Teresa straight up
told Dawn to tell us

that we're not allowed
to send gifts anymore,

because it's uncalled for.

She said, but tell them they
can't tell anybody I said that.

And I said,
oh, [bleep] no, I'm saying.

I'm spilling it from
the [bleep] rooftops.

- You have my kid.

You can't take my story too.

- Outside of you two,
I don't know anyone who

is on either side of adoption.

So I just think that giving
listeners just a perspective

is going to be huge
for you guys

to be able to talk
about on a podcast.

- But you know, like,
adoption is not easy at all,

and we have people
criticizing us for everything

that we're putting out there.

And we have Jordy Cray
coming on our podcast,

who is a critic.

And I think it's going
to be interesting.

- I had him on my
podcast before.

- Yeah, I ta--I went onl--
- Who is he?

- He's a content creator
who does

a lot of deep dives and recaps
on a lot of reality TV.

Do y'all want to
record the podcast?

- Yeah.
- All right, let's do it.

- ♪♪ With you,
I'm free falling ♪♪

♪♪ Falling, falling ♪♪

♪♪ With you I'm free falling ♪♪

♪♪ Falling, falling ♪♪

- Today is going to be
one of the hardest

moments and days of my life.

The reason I'm not with my
daughter today on her 16th

birthday is because Leah
did grow up in a time where

I was at my worst,

and that's what
Leah is going to remember.

I have to accept
this is my life,

but I just have
to keep working,

and this will not
always be this way.

- ♪♪ I'm spinning fast,
but on the horizon ♪♪

♪♪ Do you see the
things that I do? ♪♪

♪♪ Feels like I'm free
falling into you ♪♪

- Before we leave for dinner,
this just arrived for you.

- What is it?

- Aw, it's--
it's your birthday present.

- Are these from her?

- I'm going to assume
that's from your mom, yeah.

[gentle music]

- "Sweetheart, today is a very
special moment in your life.

"I know we are apart, but you
are always in my thoughts,

"prayers, and spirit.

"As a mother, you never forget
your first real feeling

"of love.

"And that is when
you were born.

"I will be waiting
for you forever.

"I love you more than
words I could write.

Happy 16th birthday."

♪♪ ♪♪

- Well, happy birthday, Leah.

♪♪ ♪♪

- It's OK.

- I really wasn't expecting
to get anything.

It did really throw me off.

I was definitely
not prepared for that.

- No? It's OK.

There's a lot of feelings
there, baby, I know.

♪♪ ♪♪

- ♪♪ If I don't use the fire
that my father gave me ♪♪

- I've only seen Amber three
times since my last birthday.

I feel like that's
more important

than one birthday gift.

That doesn't really make up
for, like, an entire year

and all the times before that
she hasn't been here.

- ♪♪ Fairy-tale ambition
always has me running ♪♪

♪♪ In a race that feels
like I cannot win ♪♪

♪♪ But I won't stand still ♪♪

♪♪ And I will keep on dancing ♪♪

♪♪ Know I gave it everything ♪♪

- ♪♪ Shine bright like
a diamond in the sky ♪♪

♪♪ Yeah, you pull me in ♪♪

♪♪ Couldn't resist if I tried ♪♪

- All right, Cate and Ty,

welcome to the "Barely Famous"
podcast.

- Hi!
- Thanks for having us.

I have a lot of more sympathy
for my parents at my age now.

- Even your dad?

- Oh, yeah.
- Really?

- And through my healing,
just where I'm like, wow,

you were literally just a
young kid figuring it out too.

- See, I don't have that.

I don't share that
same experience.

I hold so much resentment
for my mom.

But when other people
like you guys

tell me about your experience
with addiction,

I have more empathy.

But I'm glad that we
got to talk about it.

- Yeah, me too.
- Yeah.

- It feels like therapy.
- It does. It does.

- Podcasting can be
like therapy, right?

- Kail, you're on
"Cate and Ty Break It Down."

- Yeah, I'm so excited.
- Are you excited?

- Yeah, I'm excited too,
because we're

working together again.

- So, how old is your
boyfriend, Elijah?

- 26.
- Oh.

- He's a baby.
- Oh, he a youngin.

Oh, you a baby snatcher?

OK, dang, girl.

[laughter]

Damn, OK.
- He's young.

All right, well, it was so much
fun getting to talk to you all

on the podcast.

And I can't wait
to see you guys.

- We get to just see
each other way more.

- I know.

And our kids can be friends.

- Yes, dude.

- Thank you.

- ♪♪ Dance, dance, baby ♪♪

- We're having a person
on our podcast

who definitely has criticized
Ty and I and our adoption.

- What's the name
of your podcast?

Do you have one yet?

- It's "Cate and Ty
Break It Down."

Tyler and I are very good
at communicating with people

who maybe don't agree
with what we do,

or we can agree to disagree.

But I think it can
also bring some more

facts to the forefront.

So I think it's going to be
an interesting conversation.

And bring it.

- Do I need this microphone?
- Yes.

- OK.
- So hi, Jordy.

It's nice to meet you.

- Thanks for having me here.
Very excited.

I consider myself
a "Teen Mom" historian.

When I started talking
about "Teen Mom,"

that kind of blew up, 'cause
I have a lot of opinions.

[laughter]

- That's why you're here.
- Yeah, exactly.

- Everybody does.
Everybody does.

- Yeah, especially on TikTok.

Your perception of it is
that talking about Carly

or our adoption story,
you don't think

it's a good idea to do it.

- All the comments that I had
in, like, my TikTok

and Instagram section,
very mixed.

I would say it's 50-50.

Half people support you, half
the people want you to shut up.

- I don't care about Brandon
and Teresa right now.

Now that the access
is taken away,

it's like, well then, I mean--

- You guys don't have anything
left to lose at this point.

- Yeah, we don't have
anything to lose.

- Venting on social media,
I felt, like,

hurt your guys' cause.

- Our main goal for
putting stuff out publicly

was because if Carly has
a chance of being able to see

that we never stopped trying,

she deserves to know that,
in my opinion.

Also, it is bringing
awareness to everybody

that is involved in adoption.

- We didn't speak on a lot
of things that happened

behind closed doors
because that's

priority number one
is to be able to see her

and have access to her.

- Carly's always said,
this is my sister.

So I thought it was an OK
thing, so I just went with it.

Teresa said, the word
"sisters" just really--

- Doesn't sit right with me.

Should we say "birth sister"?
What would you prefer?

And she literally didn't
really have an answer.

- Ooh, that's tea right there.

I appreciate you
telling me that,

'cause that changes
a few things for me.

- Well, I would like to know
your opinion, though.

- I think that's bull[bleep].

Good for you for using
your platform for the good,

because people need it.

- Yeah, because the
whole goal is not

to persuade you differently.
- I get it.

- I just wanted to hear
opposing viewpoints

and then obviously
the information.

- I think we both
were able to see

where each other
were coming from.

- Absolutely. Yeah.
- Yeah.

- ♪♪ Take me home ♪♪

♪♪ Don't let go ♪♪

♪♪ Take me home ♪♪

- This is cute.

- Wow, this is cool.

Dude.
- Hi, guys.

- This place is cool.
- Yeah.

- It's the perfect place
for us parents.

- Oh, by the way--
- What's up, man?

- Did you take your
eyelashes off already?

- Yes, I did.
- Oh, man.

- Hold on.
We got find out, though.

How did this podcast just go?
- Mm-hmm.

- 'Cause I didn't know
anything about it.

- It went good.

- How did it go?
- It was really--

it was a very good
conversation.

- He was calling y'all out
and whatever,

and then we were like,

but he's agreed
to be on the podcast.

- Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.

- Jordy was a lot less spicy
than he is on--

which I kind of expected.

- Yeah, he probably has to
put on a personality for it.

- He was being very respectful.

We were being very respectful.

It was a good conversation.

- That's awesome.
- I think we brought a lot--

- I bet it's going to be
a really good episode.

- It was good, yeah.
- I hope so, yeah.

- They got cornhole outside.
You want to play cornhole?

- Yeah, [bleep] yeah.
Let's do it.

- Are you good at it?
- Hell, no, I ain't good at it.

But I'm going to
give it my best shot.

- We'll be back.
Let's play some cornhole.

- Y'all did so good,
like, the first day.

- Thanks. I was nervous.
- I was [bleep] my pants.

- I was texting Kail
the day before--

♪♪ Anxiety ♪♪

It's going to be a journey
for sure, but--

- I'm excited about it.
I can't wait to listen.

- OK, I'm red.

The other night,
we were talking about

the whole Ryan thing,
and I was just wondering if you

were going to have a
conversation with him at all.

- Is it better just
being unspoken

and keep going
like we're going?

Like, does it help
the situation?

Because the situation
has gotten better,

and I don't want
to mess that up.

- I bet you
he feels the same way.

He doesn't want to
[bleep] anything up.

You know what I mean?

He's done so much [bleep]
that it's like he doesn't

almost know where he stands.

- There was points where
I know I antagonized him.

Like, I talked [bleep]
when I could have just

not talked [bleep].

So I played a part in it.

And it's just like that time
I got mad at Jen and Larry.

I probably had more
frustrations with Ryan

and then took it out on them.

Bentley is a child.

Ryan has never
been there for him.

But y'all make
Bentley feel guilty.

- Taylor,
you need to step back.

- Sorry son of a bitch.
- Stop.

- Put the kid first!

Stop putting that sorry excuse
of a human being first.

At the time, in my mind,
I was defending my family,

and I was speaking up for them.
- No, right.

But so is that something you
think you should apologize for?

- Yeah, maybe.
- Boom.

For defending your family?

- No, but maybe for
antagonizing it.

- Maybe for how
you delivered it.

- Yes.

- OK, so maybe there's a way
you can start off with that

and say, hey,
I want to, like, acknowledge

the progress you made.

And then it could lead into
saying, with that being said,

I said some things
that I probably

could have did differently.

And then maybe that'll,
like, give him the platform.

- That actually is
really good advice.

That makes better sense
to me than apologizing.

- I think so, 'cause
I'll be honest with you,

in my personal opinion,
I don't think you

got [bleep] to apologize for.
- Right.

But I could have delivered
it differently.

- I could have delivered it
differently.

- And I appreciate
the work you've done,

and I see a difference,
and Bentley sees a difference.

- Yeah, and I appreciate that,
because I spent

a lot of years picking up
these pieces, and it's hard.

And then he can say
whatever he's got to say,

if he has anything to say.

- What if I sit down
and, like, apologize

and he's like,
"thanks, I appreciate it."

Think the food's ready now?
- Yeah, I'm starving.

- Me too.
Let's go.

- Boom.

- The past few days
have been super fun.

I was really nervous
about doing so many

podcasts our first go around.

But once we stepped in
and we just started doing it,

it flowed very well.

And just being able to have
support from Maci and Kail,

it makes me excited
for the future of it.

- All right,
you guys got to go?

- Yeah.

But I'm glad we got to at
least see each other again.

- Yeah, but I want to do this
more often.

- Especially Taylor.

We don't get to see you a lot,
and it's sad.

- We always see this
[bleep] over here.

- I know.
- They hate me.

- Try to get out of--

- Bye, I love you.
- I know.

I don't blame you there.

- I love you.

- I love you too.

- ♪♪ Forever on the run ♪♪

♪♪ On the run ♪♪

- ♪♪ In and out ♪♪

♪♪ I'm on the edge
of something ♪♪

♪♪ Ooh ♪♪

♪♪ Deeper that I go ♪♪

- No, but we are going there
for the baby shower.

- Is that when the
baby takes a shower?

- [laughs]
- Exactly what it is.

- Yeah, we had a baby shower
for you, Jayde.

- And me.

- Uh, I don't think
we had one for you, Mav.

- That's why you stink, 'cause
you didn't have a baby shower.

- [laughs]

- ♪♪ Ooh, life is calling ♪♪

♪♪ It's pulling me all in ♪♪

♪♪ And I kind of like it ♪♪

- Maci, how are you?

Yes.

- Where have you been?

- [laughs]

- Hey, buddy.

- I'm jealous.

- How did their game go?

- Jayde got third in the girls,

and Mav got third.

- Hey, thank you for coming.

- Thanks for having me.
- Congratulations.

- Thank you.

- Yeah. Man, it tears me up.

It just--

- We're in a good place now.

- I'm proud of you.

- It's a hell of a lot
easier now.

- Yeah, it is.

- Yeah.

I just want to tell you that.

- I appreciate it.

- [clears throat]

I mean it.

- I know you do.
- Thank you

for loving Maci,
for loving Ryan.

- Taylor ain't always loved me.

- [laughs]
- Taylor hated you.

And he had good reason.

He had good reason.

We've come a long way.

- Yeah, we have.
- Yep.

- Love you guys.

That's all I got to say.

Boom.

Done.
- [laughs]

- Why you always gotta
make my daddy cry?

Why you always
gotta make my daddy cry?

I've been thinking
we ought to go hang out

and just kind of clear the air.

So you want to
go golf tomorrow?

- Yeah, I'll go golf with you.

- All right. All right.

Let's do it.

Mav, quit eavesdropping.
- [laughs]

- ♪♪ Run, run, run
off into the wilds ♪♪

- I'm exhausted.

- So I talked to Ryan.

- Oh, yeah?

How'd that go?
- Good.

We're going to go golfing.
- Yeah?

- Yeah.
- Awesome.

♪♪ ♪♪

Did you hear?
- They're going? High five.

- They're going golfing.

- ♪♪ Just like you ♪♪

- ♪♪ You've been hanging by ♪♪

♪♪ A thread of
your last regret ♪♪

♪♪ You've been hanging by ♪♪

- OK, Leah,
it's time for presents.

- ♪♪ You've been
hanging by a thread ♪♪

- Hold this.

This is so cute.

I think that's it.

- I have spent countless
times revising.

We're going to hold
back the tears.

"Leah, 16 years ago,
you took your first breath.

"I may not have been there
from the beginning,

"but I want you to know
that no blood on Earth

"could make you more mine.

"You are, have always been,
and always will be enough.

"Thank you for allowing me
into your life.

"I promise to always hold your
hand and remain by your side.

"And I promise to love
you unconditionally

and be the best mother to you
till my last breath."

And with that--

- What?

- This is my promise to you.

So now when you
have those doubts

of me leaving
or abandoning you,

you can look down.

And all of those promises is
something that I will keep.

Well, you have a promise ring.

- ♪♪ Where do we go
from here? ♪♪

- I promise I will be there
till the end of my time.

- ♪♪ Time is in fixing fear ♪♪

♪♪ And I don't ♪♪

♪♪ No I don't feel soft
anymore ♪♪

♪♪ How much you take from me ♪♪

♪♪ Won't keep me down ♪♪

♪♪ I'll rise and simply ♪♪

♪♪ I'll rise
and still believe ♪♪

♪♪ I'll shake the ground ♪♪

- Think fertility.

- Oh, that's warm.

The pressure's on
to get pregnant.

- I can see
that you and Bentley

have a great relationship.

- At the end of the day,
you're Bentley's dad.

- I am there
for everybody else!

Do I get a thank you?

- I understand both parties.

What do I do now?

- I just peed on this.

One, two...
- Three.

[upbeat music]

♪♪ ♪♪