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And there was just...
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... of electrical impulses.
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It was all slightly
unbelievable.
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Can somebody give me a mic ?
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And would somebody please turn
off the fucking reverb ?
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Thank you.
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Take one.
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When did
the '60s begin ?
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That might seem obvious.
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Everyone remembers
them this way...
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but really the early
'60s looked like this:
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a black-and-white picket-fence
world still stuck in the '50s.
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But in 1964,
this man, Ken Kesey,
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took an LSD-fueled bus trip
across the country
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that changed everything.
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Kesey lit the fuse for
the explosion of the '60s.
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Who was Ken Kesey ?
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He looks innocent enough,
doesn't he ?
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Not like the kind of guy to
take massive amounts of LSD.
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While in college, Kesey married
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his junior high school
sweetheart, Faye.
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As a college athlete,
Kesey showed promise both
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as a football player
and a wrestler.
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Kesey also liked performing
as an actor and a ventriloquist.
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He loved the magic trick
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of speaking through
other people.
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Ken, when did you
decide to become a writer ?
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I never said
I wanted to be a writer.
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I'm a magician.
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Writing is just one of
the tricks that I do.
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And quite
a trick it was.
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By 1964, at the age of 29,
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Kesey was one of
America's greatest writers.
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His first two published
novels were
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"One Flew Over
the Cuckoo's Nest"
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and "Sometimes a Great Notion."
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Yet, at the height
of his success,
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Ken traded his
typewriter for a movie camera.
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If Shakespeare
were writing today,
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I don't think he would
use a quill pen.
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So I started
going out and taping,
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with tape recorders,
and filming,
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to see if...
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people talked like they do in
novels, and they don't.
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With a group of friends, Kesey
set out to make a road movie.
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Their trip would
become a legend,
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but few ever saw the film.
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There were
technical problems.
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Their voices are on audiotape
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but almost never in sync
with the picture.
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Again the transmission
of the '27 Buick
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into second gear around the
corner at 34th and Dearborn--
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or was it Clark ?
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Somewhere.
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Here's a scene
with Neal Cassady,
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the famous speed-taking,
real-life inspiration
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for Jack Kerouac's
famous novel "On the Road."
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Bet he--
Uh-oh, say...
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For 40 years, Kesey and his
friends edited the film,
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never getting what they wanted.
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Then it was boxed away,
forgotten, collecting dust.
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Now we're going back
to the vaults,
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using the rare film
and audio interviews
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of Ken and his friends to bring
the story back to life.
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Let's go, trickery !
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Unnecessarily, Mr. Cassady
proceeded north.
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Ha-ha !
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* Yeah
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* Yeah *
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Car wreck, children,
to the left-- wreck.
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It's a journey through
life, you know.
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When did the idea for this
trip first occur to you ?
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1963 came
and everything changed.
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We'd gone back, me and George
and Faye, to New York.
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extends its welcome.
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The shops on the avenues.
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The new hotels, restaurants...
the sidewalk cafes,
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the hit shows,
the tinsel of Broadway.
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We had gone back to see
the opening of
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"Cuckoo's Nest" on Broadway,
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with Kirk Douglas
playing McMurphy,
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and he was terrific.
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daytime diversionsrt of our
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as we were
cruising around the city,
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we took a drive out to Queens,
where the construction
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was going on for
the World's Fair.
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is to be erected, site
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they're doing it at the moment,
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the symbol of the theme of
the New York World's Fair.
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The Unisphere !
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And by dialing 1964,
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I launch the final phase
of this great effort.
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We looked at it and said,
"Boy, this is spectacular.
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We're gonna want to
come see this."
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We vowed next year
we'd go back to New York
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to the World's Fair.
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On the way back,
I was driving across country
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in a big old nice station wagon
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with a couple of my buddies,
nibbling on cactus.
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Here in the ABC newsroom
in New York,
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we first received a flash of--
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As we were driving along,
Kennedy began to be killed.
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President Kennedy's motorcade
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in Downtown Dallas.
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The first reports say that
President Kennedy
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has been seriously
wounded by this shooting.
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and waiting for some wordt
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on the condition
of the president.
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officially confirmed. is
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President Kennedy
and Governor John Connally
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have been cut down by
assassin's bullets
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in Downtown Dallas.
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Everywhere you went,
you looked in people's eyes,
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and they all felt
the same thing.
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It wasn't just sadness,
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it was a loss
of an innocence,
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the loss of the idea that always
the good is going to prevail.
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The tragedy of this day
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is beyond any instant
comprehension.
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There's no way to even
nearly depict the pain
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and the feeling of crisis.
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The thing that all of us sort of
feel when it's real dark.
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an ordinary Saturday.
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Things have changed.
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This world that I was
presenting with these words,
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I began to suspect might not
have a whole lot to do
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with the world of this.
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So we decided to go travel
across the country.
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I love to drive
across the United States.
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Go to the World's Fair,
and come back across,
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just to experience the...
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the American
landscape and "heartscape."
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We were gonna take the same
station wagon we came back in,
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and pretty soon Babbs was home
and he wanted to go.
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for five years,rine Corps
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flew helicopters in Vietnam,
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and came out
in May of '64,
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got out of the Marine Corps--
I had enough of that.
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Babbs was stalking around,
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this is just after he got out
of the Marines.
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He began to
assign names to them.
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He became the Intrepid Traveler
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and these were his
Merry Band of Pranksters.
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Swashbuckler became my nickname.
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Gretch had come down from
Oregon, we'd met her.
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at the University of Oregon.
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My intention was to get a ride.
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I was gonna
work in New York,
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swimming at the World's Fair
in water ballet,
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'cause that's
something I knew how to do--
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The Rockettes in water.
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Hagen was there.
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He's an old friend from Oregon,
fraternity brother.
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He had a camera.
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Sandy...
he was a phenomenon.
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He was in the nuthouse.
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He was like the id
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stripped of
everything else.
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He was just there.
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At his worst, he was crazy,
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and at his best,
he was a genius.
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Jane Burton was a professor
in philosophy from Stanford.
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She was pregnant and she
was hungry all the time,
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so she says,
"Well, I'm generally famished."
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And so she became known as
Generally Famished.
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It got to be kind of a party.
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It's hard to describe it,
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just a-- a bunch of lunatics
running around acting idiotic
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trying to get to the East Coast
somehow.
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I met Ken on Perry Lane.
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Chloe was the Gertrude Stein
of our scene.
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pretty insane actually.
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I really dug everybody
for doing it.
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Zonker was just there.
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He wasn't even planning--
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we weren't planning to take
him-- we barely knew him.
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Every time
something would happen,
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he'd fall asleep, and he
had this snore...
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Okay, here's Stark Naked.
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Now, I'm attracted to her,
there's no question about it,
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but she's just so strange.
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Ken's house for a weekendto
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and that's how I met everybody.
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There was just a great deal of
general joviality
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and talking
and laughing and dancing,
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and even then it was like a
troupe of minstrels and mimes.
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Their presence was
very beautiful.
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wild crazies wasn't true.
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We weren't long-haired
and we weren't irresponsible.
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There was an American sense--
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that's why we always wore
red, white and blue
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and flew the flag,
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it was to try to cool
the people out and say,
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"Hey, look, this may look
strange to you,
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"but get used to it.
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It's American, and without it
we're a dead nation."
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there were so many of us,
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friends and everything,
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too many of us to
go in one or two cars,
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we decided we'd buy a bus
and we'd all travel together.
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* Put on your red dress baby
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* 'Cause we going out
tonight *
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We took a 1939 International
Harvester's school bus.
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I got out there
with a blindfold.
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It was your left brain working
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before it even knew it was
the left brain.
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* I'm pretty sure now baby
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* 'Cause you know
you know *
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* You're gonna
knock 'em dead *
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painter among us.
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* Yeah
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appeal to me at all,
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because I thought it looked
really good the way it was,
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orange with black stripes.
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Once it was obvious that
it was gonna happen,
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I just went ahead.
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The challenge was to
mix it up there
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so it would be
interesting to look at.
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Somebody just took an old broom
up on the top
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and spilled some paint around
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and, you know, people walked
around with their bare feet
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on the bus,
leaving footprints of paint.
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First it was black and white,
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then a million different
psychedelic colors,
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and then it
would be painted over.
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I think they must've painted it
over five or ten times.
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if we're gonna do this bus trip,
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let's film it."
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We bought real color film,
16 millimeter,
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and we'd gotten several
real 16-millimeter cameras
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and we decided we're
gonna make a film.
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So what kind of film
were you making ?
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A feature like
"Gone with the Wind" ?
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Yeah.
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Did anyone on board know
how to use the cameras ?
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None of us knew how to do
anything that we were doing.
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* I'm pretty sure you're
gonna knock 'em dead *
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I heard the bus was
called "Further."
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Right.
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What does
"Further" mean ?
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Oh, I get that
question a lot.
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It always kind of
disappoints me.
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What, that people
ask you what further means ?
Uh-huh.
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Well, I could look it up
in the dictionary
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and tell you that it means
farther along than this, but--
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No, no, no, no.
I'm pretty disappointed
in myself.
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"Farther" is a distance.
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Further is a bus.
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One is
a philosophical concept,
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the other is a measurement.
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What do you think, Ken ?
254
00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:19,792
We needed to do some
modifications.
255
00:14:19,826 --> 00:14:22,462
We were at a welding shop
that was also a junkyard
256
00:14:22,495 --> 00:14:25,498
and we saw this big
commercial clothes dryer
257
00:14:25,532 --> 00:14:27,000
and it looked like
a tank turret,
258
00:14:27,034 --> 00:14:28,668
and we decided
we wanted a turret on the top.
259
00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:30,470
So we had this welder guy
260
00:14:30,503 --> 00:14:33,306
cut a big hole
on the top of the bus.
261
00:14:37,810 --> 00:14:39,479
I had a motorcycle
that we took along,
262
00:14:39,512 --> 00:14:42,315
so we had the platform welded on
the back of it
263
00:14:42,349 --> 00:14:45,318
that we could carry the
motorcycle and a generator on.
264
00:14:45,352 --> 00:14:48,421
Chuck had donated
a 5 kW gas generator.
265
00:14:52,659 --> 00:14:54,928
a road trip so appealing ?
266
00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:58,398
We weren't old enough
to be beatniks,
267
00:14:58,431 --> 00:15:00,333
and we were a little
too old to be hippies.
268
00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:02,735
But everybody I knew
269
00:15:02,769 --> 00:15:04,804
had read "On the Road,"
270
00:15:04,837 --> 00:15:06,706
and it opened up
the doors to us
271
00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,209
just the same way drugs did.
272
00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:12,879
It gave us a new way to look at
America, and it stirred us up.
273
00:15:14,047 --> 00:15:18,051
"So in America
when the sun goes down
274
00:15:18,085 --> 00:15:19,886
"and I sit on the old
broken down river pier
275
00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:23,390
"watching the long, long skies
over New Jersey
276
00:15:23,423 --> 00:15:26,193
"and sense all that raw land
that rolls in one unbelievable
277
00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:28,895
"huge bulge over to
the West Coast,
278
00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,164
"and all that road going,
279
00:15:31,198 --> 00:15:32,599
"I think of Dean Moriarty,
280
00:15:32,632 --> 00:15:35,402
I think of Dean Moriarty."
281
00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:39,839
* Oh
282
00:15:39,872 --> 00:15:43,543
* I'm the type of guy
who will never settle down *
283
00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:47,947
* Where pretty girls are well
you know that I'm around... *
284
00:15:47,981 --> 00:15:50,783
A two-tone
pink-and-purple Dodge
285
00:15:50,817 --> 00:15:52,852
riding low on tortured
shocks,
286
00:15:52,885 --> 00:15:55,522
spurting smoke,
races across the curb,
287
00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:58,225
over the bridge, and skids
to the porch.
288
00:15:58,258 --> 00:15:59,626
Slams.
289
00:15:59,659 --> 00:16:03,730
And Kesey stands, hands
on hips, watching the arrival.
290
00:16:03,763 --> 00:16:07,434
The car made a rapid approach,
and he fit into this place.
291
00:16:07,467 --> 00:16:08,701
There was eight to five
292
00:16:08,735 --> 00:16:11,071
when you're getting
through there.
293
00:16:11,104 --> 00:16:12,472
People were hollering,
"Nobody could park there !
294
00:16:12,505 --> 00:16:13,640
"You can't fit it through !
295
00:16:13,673 --> 00:16:16,909
No, no, come on, Cassady,
come on, man."
296
00:16:16,943 --> 00:16:18,745
* With my two fists
of iron *
297
00:16:18,778 --> 00:16:21,081
* But I'm going nowhere
298
00:16:21,114 --> 00:16:25,485
* Oh yeah I'm the type of guy
that likes to roam around *
299
00:16:25,518 --> 00:16:27,420
* I'm never
in one place *
300
00:16:27,454 --> 00:16:29,589
* I roam from town to town
301
00:16:29,622 --> 00:16:31,258
Before the smoke had cleared,
302
00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:33,893
there was this guy with no shirt
on talking a mile a minute.
303
00:16:33,926 --> 00:16:35,128
We all knew who he was.
304
00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:36,563
This was Dean Moriarty--
couldn't believe it--
305
00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:37,797
our famous Dean Moriarty.
306
00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:39,466
* Yeah I'm a wanderer
307
00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:41,734
* Yeah a wanderer
308
00:16:41,768 --> 00:16:43,303
* I roam around, around...
309
00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:44,571
I'd read "On the Road,"
310
00:16:44,604 --> 00:16:46,439
so I knew he was supposed to be
Dean Moriarty,
311
00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:49,342
but I didn't like that
character in the book too much,
312
00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:52,011
and I liked Neal better.
313
00:16:52,045 --> 00:16:55,815
All of a sudden, out pops this
man, almost from nowhere.
314
00:16:55,848 --> 00:16:59,286
He reminded me more of an
Irish leprechaun at first.
315
00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:01,754
When he opened his mouth,
he said about 40 words,
316
00:17:01,788 --> 00:17:03,423
and all of a sudden,
317
00:17:03,456 --> 00:17:07,460
everything in the universe was,
and is all right,
318
00:17:07,494 --> 00:17:10,630
and all beautiful
and all funny and meaningful,
319
00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:12,199
all at the same time.
320
00:17:12,232 --> 00:17:16,136
* Yeah I'm the type of guy that
likes to roam around *
321
00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:17,670
* I'm never in one place...
322
00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:19,939
For me, I'm watching it all
and thinking,
323
00:17:19,972 --> 00:17:23,110
"Wow, he kind of
looks like my dad,
324
00:17:23,143 --> 00:17:25,044
and my dad is gonna drive
the bus !"
325
00:17:27,247 --> 00:17:28,481
* ... Drive around
the world *
326
00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:30,283
* 'Cause I'm a wanderer
327
00:17:30,317 --> 00:17:32,185
* Yeah a wanderer *
328
00:17:32,219 --> 00:17:34,121
He came along kind of as
a father figure.
329
00:17:34,154 --> 00:17:35,988
Says, "I gotta take care
of you boys, understand,
330
00:17:36,022 --> 00:17:38,125
"change your tires.
331
00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:40,460
Here I got this 8-ton jack,
I got this lug wrench."
332
00:17:40,493 --> 00:17:43,363
He goes, "You don't even have a
lug wrench in your goddamn bus."
333
00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:45,498
"Here, look, I got us
a couple of spare inner tubes,
334
00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:47,834
"those boot things-- you never
saw a boot before,
335
00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:49,536
"it probably goes
inside the spare tire,
336
00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:51,971
and a big tire, we're talking
about 10..."
337
00:17:52,004 --> 00:17:54,541
We started out in La Honda,
338
00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:55,908
and there was all this big deal,
339
00:17:55,942 --> 00:17:57,477
and we had been
getting ready for days
340
00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:58,878
and packing and fixing
341
00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:01,848
and finally it was the moment,
we were leaving La Honda
342
00:18:01,881 --> 00:18:04,384
and everybody gathered around
and waved us goodbye
343
00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:07,086
and we climbed on the bus.
344
00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,588
Honk the horn !
345
00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:17,029
And it started off
and it went out the gate
346
00:18:17,063 --> 00:18:20,099
and across the bridge
and ran out of gas !
347
00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:25,104
Well, the moment of departure
was beautiful.
348
00:18:25,138 --> 00:18:27,340
We ran out of
gas on Kesey's bridge.
349
00:18:27,374 --> 00:18:31,110
We figured at that rate,
y'know, 25 feet an hour,
350
00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:34,181
we had a week to get to
New York, we weren't worried.
351
00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:38,885
This is taking disorganization
to some sort of peak.
352
00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:41,188
It was just ludicrous.
353
00:18:41,221 --> 00:18:42,555
And in some way or another,
that was just, like,
354
00:18:42,589 --> 00:18:45,558
the perfect omen
for the start of this trip.
355
00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:47,860
I used to think
I was Napoleon, too.
356
00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:50,930
We set out just like in
"Easy Rider"
357
00:18:50,963 --> 00:18:53,633
or "Travels with Charley,"
358
00:18:53,666 --> 00:18:57,804
where Steinbeck sets out to
seek the soul of America.
359
00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,411
It looked like
a traveling pleasure palace.
360
00:19:04,444 --> 00:19:07,547
We could ride across the country
in total comfort.
361
00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:09,816
It was big
and roomy and spacious--
362
00:19:09,849 --> 00:19:12,219
until we got all
the people in it,
363
00:19:12,252 --> 00:19:13,653
then it was crowded.
364
00:19:13,686 --> 00:19:16,523
It was the exact opposite
of a pleasure palace.
365
00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:20,293
... 72 disciples.
366
00:19:20,327 --> 00:19:23,162
I was on the first 24 hours
that it took us to get from
367
00:19:23,196 --> 00:19:24,597
La Honda to San Jose.
368
00:19:24,631 --> 00:19:27,434
I don't know,
what is it, 40 miles ?
369
00:19:27,467 --> 00:19:30,136
It took us 24 hours to
get to San Jose.
370
00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:35,775
and mechanical spasmsr
371
00:19:35,808 --> 00:19:37,344
started happening on the bus,
372
00:19:37,377 --> 00:19:38,911
and the engine
was sputtering,
373
00:19:38,945 --> 00:19:41,013
so we pulled into a gas station.
374
00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:46,453
Some old gas station man
took a look at that thing,
375
00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:48,020
looked at the engine and says,
376
00:19:48,054 --> 00:19:50,457
"You'll never get that thing
past Oklahoma."
377
00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:54,093
Well, I'm saying to myself,
378
00:19:54,126 --> 00:19:56,529
Jesus Christ, this thing is
fucked.
379
00:19:56,563 --> 00:19:57,930
Look, it's painted weird,
380
00:19:57,964 --> 00:20:00,333
the mechanics behind it
are equally as weird.
381
00:20:03,636 --> 00:20:05,505
While everybody was
working on the engine,
382
00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:08,308
I was messing around with
the headset, and was going,
383
00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:10,877
"We're on our way...
384
00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:14,447
to San Jose !"
385
00:20:14,481 --> 00:20:17,149
How was your stay...
386
00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:20,720
in San Jose ?!
387
00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:22,622
While I was doing that,
I happened to turn around,
388
00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:24,491
and I noticed Chloe looking
really glum.
389
00:20:24,524 --> 00:20:26,192
I said, "What's wrong ?"
390
00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:30,062
And she says, "If it takes us
this long to get to San Jose,"
391
00:20:30,096 --> 00:20:33,900
she says, "we'll never
make it to New York City !"
392
00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:36,869
She says, "I can't take this,
this is too chaotic."
393
00:20:36,903 --> 00:20:39,772
And that was as far
as she lasted on the bus.
394
00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,710
Yeah, I was pretty glad
to get off.
395
00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:48,415
I mean, thank God I'm not
crossing the country in it.
396
00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:50,016
And you got back
across the country
397
00:20:50,049 --> 00:20:52,218
by more civilized means,
I imagine ?
398
00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,853
TWA.
399
00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:57,524
* TWA's Your Way
400
00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:07,767
There's been
a one-step removal, I think,
401
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,902
from our connection to life.
402
00:21:09,936 --> 00:21:12,204
And I'll tell you where you can
see it, go to LA.
403
00:21:17,043 --> 00:21:20,347
We can't see anymore,
we can barely hear anymore.
404
00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:21,848
When we look, we're not
looking at;
405
00:21:21,881 --> 00:21:23,350
we're looking for.
406
00:21:23,383 --> 00:21:26,118
I tell you, Hollywood is
as soulless an idea
407
00:21:26,152 --> 00:21:27,954
of what life looks like.
408
00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:30,523
* I'm going out west
where I belong *
409
00:21:30,557 --> 00:21:32,959
What color is World War II ?
410
00:21:32,992 --> 00:21:34,361
World War I is even
a better example.
411
00:21:34,394 --> 00:21:35,462
What color
is World War I ?
412
00:21:35,495 --> 00:21:36,629
It's black and white,
413
00:21:36,663 --> 00:21:39,532
whereas the Civil War
is in Technicolor.
414
00:21:39,566 --> 00:21:40,933
* And I'll walk
415
00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:42,402
* They twist
416
00:21:42,435 --> 00:21:44,036
* And I'll twist *
417
00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:47,139
What happens if all of this
stuff that's being sold us
418
00:21:47,173 --> 00:21:49,308
has damn near closed the door
419
00:21:49,342 --> 00:21:52,912
on any possibility of our
doing anything new,
420
00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:54,481
on our doing
anything except traveling
421
00:21:54,514 --> 00:21:56,549
in the same little circle ?
422
00:21:56,583 --> 00:22:00,387
And, if that is true,
how do we break out of it ?
423
00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:03,089
So you donate blood,
then there's a sick cat,
424
00:22:03,122 --> 00:22:04,457
not being approved of and all,
425
00:22:04,491 --> 00:22:07,460
as the son, you see, would be,
so you have a mania...
426
00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:11,263
All you can do
is experience this thing.
427
00:22:11,297 --> 00:22:14,634
This, as near as I can see,
is what's going on,
428
00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:16,068
as near as
I can record it.
429
00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:17,504
It may not make sense.
430
00:22:17,537 --> 00:22:19,439
I'm just trying to
open up like a camera
431
00:22:19,472 --> 00:22:21,708
and see it clearly for a moment.
432
00:22:26,713 --> 00:22:28,415
I remember when
we first headed out of LA,
433
00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:31,317
out of Ken Babbs' place,
where we spent a couple days
434
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,219
painting his swimming pool
and so forth.
435
00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:37,590
When the bus headed out,
436
00:22:37,624 --> 00:22:41,428
Babbs was living in
San Juan Capistrano
437
00:22:41,461 --> 00:22:43,930
with his wife, Anita,
and his kids
438
00:22:43,963 --> 00:22:46,466
and we went through Capistrano
439
00:22:46,499 --> 00:22:48,701
and he realized this is his
Merry Band of Pranksters
440
00:22:48,735 --> 00:22:52,472
and he better climb aboard.
441
00:22:52,505 --> 00:22:55,341
The original Prankster credo
that started
442
00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:56,976
the whole Prankster movement
443
00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:59,512
was one of--
you start off by saying,
444
00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:02,515
"Never trust a Prankster."
445
00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:06,453
Because
no matter how I...
446
00:23:06,486 --> 00:23:11,223
try, I will eventually...
447
00:23:11,257 --> 00:23:13,359
lie to you, even though
I may not want to...
448
00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:15,462
if I say
one thing today...
449
00:23:17,363 --> 00:23:19,198
Go ahead, would you
repeat that again ?
450
00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:20,667
"Awooooooo."
451
00:23:23,436 --> 00:23:24,403
Very funny.
452
00:23:35,548 --> 00:23:38,017
When we started out
with the bus,
453
00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:40,720
I realized I wasn't gonna be
able to write a book about this,
454
00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:42,021
because you can't.
455
00:23:42,054 --> 00:23:42,955
It's an experience.
456
00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:49,596
This wasn't literature anymore,
457
00:23:49,629 --> 00:23:53,132
this jumped off the pages
and onto the streets.
458
00:23:55,635 --> 00:23:57,570
* I should have
quit you *
459
00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:02,208
went across the desert
460
00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:03,776
and headed for Arizona.
461
00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:06,445
* I should have
quit you baby *
462
00:24:07,413 --> 00:24:09,448
Cassady talked a lot.
463
00:24:23,896 --> 00:24:25,932
We'd take turns
riding shotgun with him
464
00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:29,335
so he'd have somebody to talk
to while he was driving.
465
00:24:36,275 --> 00:24:37,409
He was a radio.
466
00:24:37,443 --> 00:24:39,579
He just went on and on and on.
467
00:24:39,612 --> 00:24:42,549
It was almost impossible
for him to ever shut off.
468
00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:43,983
He couldn't
help himself.
469
00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:45,317
It had a lot to do with speed.
470
00:24:49,121 --> 00:24:50,723
Major portion,
critical point...
471
00:24:59,165 --> 00:25:01,333
Okay, settle in, settle in.
472
00:25:01,367 --> 00:25:03,269
Attracting the cops,
and how to deal with
473
00:25:03,302 --> 00:25:05,171
concealing the drugs
that we had,
474
00:25:05,204 --> 00:25:07,006
that was always
a consideration
475
00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,440
throughout the whole bus trip
476
00:25:08,474 --> 00:25:10,442
because the cops
were stopping us
477
00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:13,312
because they'd never seen
anything like it.
478
00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,015
I wasted your time,
that's why I'm not--
479
00:25:16,048 --> 00:25:17,483
Cassady would always be out
there talking to them
480
00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:19,118
and he'd say,
"Oh yeah, officers," he'd say.
481
00:25:19,151 --> 00:25:20,452
"You can see what they're like
back there," he said,
482
00:25:20,486 --> 00:25:21,954
"but I'm doing my best
to keep them in control."
483
00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:22,922
Unloosen that thing.
484
00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:25,491
We're having a brief
equipment...
485
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:28,494
Our instant cover was always to
get the cameras out and run out
486
00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,529
and say we were making a movie.
487
00:25:30,563 --> 00:25:32,999
We don't have a camera
with any film.
488
00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:34,500
People didn't think
we were hippies
489
00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,268
or that we were drug freaks.
490
00:25:36,302 --> 00:25:37,770
That wouldn't have
occurred to anybody
491
00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:40,372
because it wasn't in
the news yet.
492
00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:43,843
Shut up !
493
00:25:50,583 --> 00:25:54,553
How did you get mixed up with
LSD in the first place ?
494
00:25:54,587 --> 00:25:56,322
I came out of
the University of Oregon
495
00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:58,891
the prettiest little boy
you've ever seen.
496
00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:02,161
I didn't smoke,
I didn't drink,
497
00:26:02,194 --> 00:26:06,666
I went to Stanford on
a Ford Foundation Fellowship.
498
00:26:06,699 --> 00:26:09,001
And while at Stanford,
499
00:26:09,035 --> 00:26:12,571
I was...
given the opportunity
500
00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:15,141
to go to the Stanford hospital
501
00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:19,178
and take part in
the LSD experiments.
502
00:26:19,211 --> 00:26:22,348
How did you become a volunteer
for these experiments ?
503
00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:24,516
I, at the time,
was training for
504
00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:26,018
the Olympics team and was--
505
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:28,054
As a wrestler ?
Yeah, as a wrestler.
506
00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:31,423
I'd never been drunk on beer,
let alone done any drugs,
507
00:26:31,457 --> 00:26:34,661
but this is
the American government.
508
00:26:34,694 --> 00:26:39,365
The study of LSD continues in
laboratories and hospitals
509
00:26:39,398 --> 00:26:42,401
throughout the United States.
510
00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:45,337
They paid us $25 a day
511
00:26:45,371 --> 00:26:48,340
to come down there and then
they gave us stuff.
512
00:26:48,374 --> 00:26:50,076
What is LSD ?
513
00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:51,377
How does it work ?
514
00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:53,079
When did it
all begin ?
515
00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:56,749
It all began in a laboratory
very much like this one.
516
00:26:56,783 --> 00:27:00,286
In 1938, Dr. Albert Hoffman
in Switzerland
517
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,354
was looking for new drugs
518
00:27:02,388 --> 00:27:04,490
in the treatment
of migraine headaches.
519
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:22,308
He had been studying mold
that grows on rye plants.
520
00:27:22,341 --> 00:27:25,444
Now, it turned out that these
substances were of no use
521
00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:27,313
in the treatment
of migraine headaches.
522
00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:31,117
However, it was found that these
substances could produce
523
00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:33,285
a change in mental state
524
00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,555
closely resembling
some forms of insanity.
525
00:27:36,588 --> 00:27:38,457
In particular, schizophrenia.
526
00:27:41,861 --> 00:27:44,396
When I was asked to do
these drug experiments,
527
00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:47,599
I thought these drugs might
give us a way to
528
00:27:47,633 --> 00:27:50,569
cure insanity,
to overcome depression.
529
00:27:50,602 --> 00:27:52,839
That was part of what we
thought we were doing.
530
00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:57,309
What kind of preparation
were you given for it ?
531
00:27:57,343 --> 00:27:59,578
Were you given any ?
None at all.
532
00:27:59,611 --> 00:28:00,947
I'd read a little piece
in "LIFE Magazine"
533
00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:03,149
about how they'd
given it to cats,
534
00:28:03,182 --> 00:28:06,385
and cats were afraid of mice
once they'd had LSD.
535
00:28:09,121 --> 00:28:10,489
What was that very
first trip like, though,
536
00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,591
under the experimental
conditions ?
537
00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,494
It was on a ward,
on a nuthouse ward.
538
00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:18,697
You'd go in a little room,
there'd be a bed,
539
00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,933
and a stand with
some water on it,
540
00:28:20,967 --> 00:28:23,002
and a tape recorder,
and nothing else.
541
00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:24,536
There was a little
window right here
542
00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:26,705
with a wire through it,
543
00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:28,340
and you could look out
and see the people
544
00:28:28,374 --> 00:28:30,009
out in the other room.
545
00:32:30,282 --> 00:32:31,883
And when I came out of it,
546
00:32:31,917 --> 00:32:34,520
I felt like it was like
discovering a hole
547
00:32:34,553 --> 00:32:35,854
that went into
the center of the Earth
548
00:32:35,887 --> 00:32:37,389
and you could see
jewelry down there
549
00:32:37,423 --> 00:32:40,559
and you wanted your people
to go down and enjoy it.
550
00:32:43,395 --> 00:32:46,665
* Trailer for sale
or rent *
551
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,736
* Rooms to let 50ยข *
552
00:32:52,571 --> 00:32:55,074
* No phone
no pool, no pets *
553
00:32:56,442 --> 00:32:59,311
* Ain't got no cigarettes... *
554
00:32:59,345 --> 00:33:02,581
Cassady drove all night, and
everybody slept or didn't sleep,
555
00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:04,416
depending on what they
were doing.
556
00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:07,386
Bus supposed to hit to
Tucson, arrived...
557
00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:10,289
Oh, there, you can't--
558
00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:15,127
Just as it were--
Police, how you doing ?
559
00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:17,929
A bunch of previous plans '69--
oh, all right, honest.
560
00:33:17,963 --> 00:33:19,431
Especially South.
561
00:33:19,465 --> 00:33:22,834
Barry Goldwatertra-conservative
562
00:33:22,868 --> 00:33:25,737
was running for president.
563
00:33:25,771 --> 00:33:30,142
What did you make of Kesey's
Goldwater stunt in Phoenix ?
564
00:33:30,176 --> 00:33:33,079
I was kind of puzzled by
the need to get into
565
00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:36,315
the politics of
Barry Goldwater.
566
00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:39,185
I kinda thought the whole thing
was sort of ridiculous.
567
00:33:41,553 --> 00:33:43,355
A vote for Barry
is a vote for fun.
568
00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:47,259
It was a tongue-in-cheek thing.
569
00:33:47,293 --> 00:33:49,195
We wanted to wave the flag,
570
00:33:49,228 --> 00:33:52,298
but waving the flag
in Downtown Phoenix
571
00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:53,965
kind of seemed like you're
for Goldwater,
572
00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:56,502
so we painted "A Vote for
Barry is a Vote for Fun"
573
00:33:56,535 --> 00:33:58,937
and then drove down
the main street of Phoenix.
574
00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:00,672
Backwards.
575
00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:12,017
Even as you were driving
the bus across the country,
576
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,820
reviews were coming in
for "Sometimes a Great Notion"
577
00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:16,788
and they were peculiar.
Yes.
578
00:34:16,822 --> 00:34:20,459
They didn't know
exactly what to say about it.
579
00:34:20,492 --> 00:34:22,461
"Cuckoo's Nest" was
a phenomenon,
580
00:34:22,494 --> 00:34:25,864
it received nothing
but good reviews.
581
00:34:25,897 --> 00:34:27,199
Most people are
surprised to learn
582
00:34:27,233 --> 00:34:29,368
that you'd never even
seen the movie.
583
00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:32,538
You even threatened
to sue the producers.
584
00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:34,806
I told these liars,
"I'll never see the movie."
585
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,377
They emphasized
the melodrama.
586
00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:40,412
Who's the villain in
"Cuckoo's Nest" ?
587
00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:42,514
The Nurse.
No.
588
00:34:42,548 --> 00:34:44,049
The Combine is the villain,
589
00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:47,186
and the Big Nurse
is the minion of that,
590
00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:49,521
but she's not the villain.
591
00:34:49,555 --> 00:34:51,089
"I'm mopping near the ward door
592
00:34:51,123 --> 00:34:53,725
"when a key hits it from
the other side
593
00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:56,228
"and I know it's the Big Nurse.
594
00:34:56,262 --> 00:34:58,264
"She's carrying her
woven wicker bag,
595
00:34:58,297 --> 00:34:59,498
"full of a thousand parts
596
00:34:59,531 --> 00:35:01,867
"she aims to use in
her duties today--
597
00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:06,538
"wheels and gears and tiny
pills that gleam like porcelain,
598
00:35:06,572 --> 00:35:10,442
needles and forceps and rolls
of copper wire."
599
00:35:10,476 --> 00:35:11,610
Good morning,
Miss Ratched.
600
00:35:11,643 --> 00:35:12,711
Good morning.
601
00:35:12,744 --> 00:35:14,513
Good morning, Miss Ratched.
602
00:35:14,546 --> 00:35:17,516
"The Big Nurse tends
to get real put out
603
00:35:17,549 --> 00:35:20,051
"if something keeps
her outfit from running
604
00:35:20,085 --> 00:35:22,554
"like a precision-made machine,
605
00:35:22,588 --> 00:35:25,224
what she calls
'adjusted.'"
606
00:35:25,257 --> 00:35:26,492
Medication time.
607
00:35:28,494 --> 00:35:32,931
"She works with an eye to
adjusting the Outside world too.
608
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:35,901
"Working alongside others
like her
609
00:35:35,934 --> 00:35:39,037
who I call the 'Combine.'"
610
00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:40,572
Chief ?
611
00:35:40,606 --> 00:35:43,709
Writing that story from the
point of view of that Indian,
612
00:35:43,742 --> 00:35:46,578
that's what makes that book.
613
00:35:46,612 --> 00:35:47,813
And I don't know
any Indians,
614
00:35:47,846 --> 00:35:49,781
I don't know where
that Indian came from.
615
00:35:49,815 --> 00:35:51,483
Those first few pages of
"Cuckoo's Nest"
616
00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:53,485
were written on peyote.
617
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:57,223
I've always felt humbled
by that character.
618
00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:00,959
Without the character
of that Indian,
619
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,329
the book is a melodrama.
620
00:36:03,362 --> 00:36:05,797
Y'know, it's a straight battle
between Murphy
621
00:36:05,831 --> 00:36:07,433
and the Big Nurse.
622
00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:11,770
Isn't it true that
the inspiration for the book
623
00:36:11,803 --> 00:36:14,406
came from your real-life
experiences ?
624
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,908
I got a job at the nuthouse
625
00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:19,077
and worked from midnight
to 8:00.
626
00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:21,179
Make no mistake about it.
627
00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:23,782
Being crazy is painful.
628
00:36:23,815 --> 00:36:26,652
Looking out through the little
window, through my crazed eyes,
629
00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,754
I saw that these people
have something going
630
00:36:28,787 --> 00:36:30,356
and there's
a truth to it.
631
00:36:30,389 --> 00:36:32,057
It gave me an empathy.
632
00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:40,466
This was, to me, supposed to
be a revolutionary novel.
633
00:36:40,499 --> 00:36:43,502
It wasn't
Freudian man against woman.
634
00:36:43,535 --> 00:36:45,637
It was man against machine.
635
00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:51,443
"I took a deep breath and bent
over and took the levers.
636
00:36:51,477 --> 00:36:53,345
"I heaved my legs under me
637
00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:55,681
"and felt the grind
of weight at my feet
638
00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:57,516
"and heard the wires
and connections
639
00:36:57,549 --> 00:37:00,819
"tearing out of the floor.
640
00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:02,821
"I was able to
get an arm around it
641
00:37:02,854 --> 00:37:04,290
"and my other hand under it
642
00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:06,492
"and let the momentum
carry the panel
643
00:37:06,525 --> 00:37:09,528
"through the screen
and window with a ripping crash.
644
00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:21,407
"I put my hand on the sill
and vaulted over the pane.
645
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,176
"I ran across the grounds.
646
00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:26,978
"I felt like
I was flying.
647
00:37:27,012 --> 00:37:28,380
Free."
648
00:37:41,059 --> 00:37:44,262
Oh boy, it was just hot
across that desert.
649
00:37:44,296 --> 00:37:47,566
And being hot
and what we'd do,
650
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,368
we'd just go look
for a cool place.
651
00:37:52,538 --> 00:37:55,541
Merging traffic,
merging traffic.
652
00:37:55,574 --> 00:37:57,876
Merging traffic.
653
00:37:57,909 --> 00:37:59,678
Yield, yield !
654
00:37:59,711 --> 00:38:01,747
Right away !
655
00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:03,582
We'd ridden all night
the night before,
656
00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:06,385
and I'd gone to sleep in one of
the upper bunks and my purse
657
00:38:06,418 --> 00:38:09,054
had slipped down between
the bunk and the side of the bus
658
00:38:09,087 --> 00:38:11,390
and had gone out
the open window.
659
00:38:11,423 --> 00:38:13,725
It had everything in it.
660
00:38:13,759 --> 00:38:17,062
Here I was, pregnant, traveling
with a bunch of mad men
661
00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:18,597
and I didn't
even have a dime.
662
00:38:20,832 --> 00:38:24,002
Watermelons, watermelons,
watermelons, watermelons !
663
00:38:25,337 --> 00:38:27,573
If I'd had my money, it wouldn't
have bothered me at all,
664
00:38:27,606 --> 00:38:29,975
because I could have
walked off at any stage.
665
00:38:30,008 --> 00:38:32,544
I could have gone to the nearest
bus at any time.
666
00:38:32,578 --> 00:38:35,280
Now, I was trapped.
667
00:38:37,683 --> 00:38:40,586
off the roadssady drove right
668
00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:42,921
and started driving
towards this little pond,
669
00:38:42,954 --> 00:38:44,756
and got stuck right
in the sand.
670
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:46,958
He drove it-- "vrooom."
671
00:38:46,992 --> 00:38:49,428
And there we were,
shocked as can be.
672
00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:55,401
Ah yes, stuck.
673
00:38:55,434 --> 00:38:59,405
Stuck in the mud in Arizona
desert in the summertime.
674
00:38:59,438 --> 00:39:00,472
Cassady.
675
00:39:00,506 --> 00:39:03,108
God, he was having a good time.
676
00:39:03,141 --> 00:39:05,477
It was hot, boy, let me
tell you it was hot.
677
00:39:05,511 --> 00:39:07,446
It was blazing hot--
there I am.
678
00:39:07,479 --> 00:39:08,447
That's me
and there's Kesey
679
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,981
right behind me in
the sunglasses
680
00:39:10,015 --> 00:39:12,150
and we're all looking at it
and we're stuck deep in the mud.
681
00:39:17,656 --> 00:39:19,090
For no other reason than
the fact that--
682
00:39:19,124 --> 00:39:21,627
if you don't
get out, get out.
683
00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:26,498
Kesey had sent someone off on
the motorcycle
684
00:39:26,532 --> 00:39:27,833
to go look for help.
685
00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:30,168
And then Kesey had
this brainstorm that,
686
00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,370
since we were gonna be
stuck for awhile,
687
00:39:32,404 --> 00:39:34,339
we should take LSD.
688
00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,442
So I'm going to take some LSD.
689
00:39:36,475 --> 00:39:38,777
I want Babbs
to take some.
690
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:40,546
Cassady,
do you want to take some ?
691
00:39:40,579 --> 00:39:43,281
I-- I would, yes, I would.
692
00:39:43,314 --> 00:39:45,316
The ridiculous thing
was that the acid
693
00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:47,486
was just mixed
into a jar of orange juice
694
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:49,621
that was in the refrigerator.
695
00:39:49,655 --> 00:39:52,390
Nobody had any idea
what the dosage was,
696
00:39:52,424 --> 00:39:55,360
it was this sort of deal where
you shook up the jar
697
00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:58,363
and passed it
around and took a swig.
698
00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:01,132
As the acid came on, the setting
up of the filming
699
00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:02,668
was starting to happen too.
700
00:40:02,701 --> 00:40:03,635
What else
we got up there ?
701
00:40:03,669 --> 00:40:04,870
Another camera, don't we ?
702
00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:10,208
We're going to take the
Arriflex, two magazines.
703
00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:12,243
We're going to have
one magazine on the Arriflex.
704
00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:16,848
We're going to have the other
camera with the zoom lens
705
00:40:16,882 --> 00:40:19,417
also mounted on a tripod.
706
00:40:19,451 --> 00:40:23,822
We're gonna run the zoom lens
on the tripod.
707
00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:26,324
Was he filming that ?
708
00:40:26,357 --> 00:40:28,594
No.
709
00:40:30,562 --> 00:40:32,263
That'd be ungodly.
710
00:40:32,297 --> 00:40:33,499
My Merry Band of Pranksters
711
00:40:33,532 --> 00:40:35,701
won't be wandering around
in the dirt.
712
00:40:35,734 --> 00:40:36,868
Come on, come on.
713
00:40:36,902 --> 00:40:39,337
No, no,
none of this misery stuff.
714
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:41,372
Come on, this is
the Merry gang.
715
00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:43,675
Keep it moving.
716
00:40:43,709 --> 00:40:45,376
It's Paula.
717
00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:48,046
That's stretchin' Gretchen,
she's mighty fetchin' !
718
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:52,417
Always scratching the kitchen
matches and never itchy !
719
00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:53,785
There she is out there.
720
00:40:53,819 --> 00:40:56,555
* You know when you
have a dream *
721
00:40:56,588 --> 00:41:00,626
* Where whales
carry you out to sea *
722
00:41:00,659 --> 00:41:05,396
Once I hit the pond,
I realized I was really high.
723
00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:09,467
* The little creatures had
their little wings *
724
00:41:10,736 --> 00:41:14,405
The water opened itself up to me
in a new dimension.
725
00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:16,542
There was no murkiness,
726
00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:19,778
it was super clear,
real crystal.
727
00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:21,379
It was just there,
728
00:41:21,412 --> 00:41:25,383
for myself and itself
to groove on each other.
729
00:41:25,416 --> 00:41:27,452
* If the birds
fly in the ocean *
730
00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:29,254
* And the whales swim
in the clouds *
731
00:41:29,287 --> 00:41:31,289
It was a joy.
732
00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:33,424
Farewell forever, Paula.
733
00:41:33,458 --> 00:41:36,461
As she sinks beneath the depths.
734
00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:41,466
In the next feature, you shall
see emerge a slime queen.
735
00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:45,136
The High Priestess of
Pranksters.
736
00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:47,773
That's the slime, the algae.
737
00:41:47,806 --> 00:41:49,608
It was talking to me,
738
00:41:49,641 --> 00:41:53,211
it was welcoming me
into its realm of existence.
739
00:41:55,346 --> 00:41:57,448
* Where the sunrise sets
740
00:41:57,482 --> 00:41:59,417
* And the sunset rises
741
00:41:59,450 --> 00:42:01,486
It was like the nature spirits,
742
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,488
the stuff in there,
it was saying,
743
00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:07,025
"Finally we're
in contact with a human being,
744
00:42:07,058 --> 00:42:10,962
we've been trying to get through
to you guys for awhile."
745
00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:13,331
They were happy,
and I was happy.
746
00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:16,802
* Whales want to
love your face *
747
00:42:16,835 --> 00:42:20,471
* Whales want to be
your friend *
748
00:42:20,505 --> 00:42:23,975
* Whales want to hug you
749
00:42:24,009 --> 00:42:26,344
That's Miss Slime of 1964.
750
00:42:31,182 --> 00:42:34,786
* Carry our souls
751
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:40,491
* Through the clouds
752
00:42:40,525 --> 00:42:43,528
* In the sky
753
00:42:47,999 --> 00:42:49,668
These horses just showed up
754
00:42:49,701 --> 00:42:53,839
and added such a nice kind of
backdrop effect.
755
00:42:53,872 --> 00:42:55,741
Oh, there are the horses.
756
00:42:55,774 --> 00:42:58,509
It was incredibly beautiful.
757
00:42:58,543 --> 00:43:01,412
I don't remember much
reaction to these horses.
758
00:43:01,446 --> 00:43:04,983
To me, they looked kind of
old and flea-bitten.
759
00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:12,390
I was thinking about
how nice it would look to
760
00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:13,491
pour some of those paints--
761
00:43:13,524 --> 00:43:15,326
let's see what
they look like.
762
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,595
After we took the acid,
I think it was Kesey's idea,
763
00:43:17,629 --> 00:43:20,031
we took bottles of dope paint,
764
00:43:20,065 --> 00:43:22,333
which are used for painting
model airplanes,
765
00:43:22,367 --> 00:43:24,335
and it's enamel-based paint,
766
00:43:24,369 --> 00:43:27,272
so when you put it on the water,
it floats.
767
00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:29,374
I'll never drink downstream
768
00:43:29,407 --> 00:43:31,142
from the Merry Pranksters'
campsite.
769
00:43:34,279 --> 00:43:35,613
So we had lots of colors,
770
00:43:35,647 --> 00:43:37,749
so we were dipping the colors
in there
771
00:43:37,783 --> 00:43:41,452
and watching it all marbleize.
772
00:43:41,486 --> 00:43:43,021
We took Zonker's
white T-shirt
773
00:43:43,054 --> 00:43:46,958
and put it in the water with
the paint and invented tie-dye.
774
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,561
God, I was pissed.
775
00:43:50,595 --> 00:43:52,731
They said, "Oh, it's
water-soluble.
776
00:43:52,764 --> 00:43:54,399
Oh, don't
worry about it, man."
777
00:43:54,432 --> 00:43:55,466
"Worry about what ?
778
00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:57,402
That's one of my
clean T-shirts."
779
00:43:57,435 --> 00:44:00,038
"Fuck your clean T-shirts,"
somebody said.
780
00:44:00,071 --> 00:44:02,708
George said,
"Back up," just like I do.
781
00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:04,442
"Spin around."
782
00:44:04,475 --> 00:44:06,077
Fuck you.
783
00:44:06,111 --> 00:44:08,246
God, watch this thing.
784
00:44:08,279 --> 00:44:09,748
Actually I was
having a good time.
785
00:44:13,919 --> 00:44:17,455
Stark Naked really started
wigging out.
786
00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:20,225
She's definitely stoned on acid.
787
00:44:20,258 --> 00:44:23,561
We put all our acid in one quart
ball jar of lemonade
788
00:44:23,594 --> 00:44:25,997
and I remember seeing her
run down to the refrigerator
789
00:44:26,031 --> 00:44:29,100
and get it out and upend it.
790
00:44:29,134 --> 00:44:31,436
Get a picture of that
over here, Mike, with the...
791
00:44:31,469 --> 00:44:32,938
Get that.
792
00:44:32,971 --> 00:44:35,340
Kathy was loaded.
793
00:44:35,373 --> 00:44:36,842
Hagen says, "I'm gonna make
a movie star out of her
794
00:44:36,875 --> 00:44:38,309
no matter what it takes."
795
00:44:38,343 --> 00:44:41,646
You know, it's the pretty girl,
movie-star trip.
796
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:43,648
The guy with the camera
comes along and says,
797
00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:44,916
"Hey, pretty girl,
how'd you like to
798
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:46,351
stand in front of my camera ?"
799
00:44:46,384 --> 00:44:47,518
"Sure, why not ?
800
00:44:47,552 --> 00:44:49,120
You're going to
make me a star."
801
00:44:49,154 --> 00:44:51,622
Judy Garland in the drugstore,
whatever that trip is, you know.
802
00:44:53,959 --> 00:44:55,526
Hey, here's the paint.
803
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,695
No, no, two more of these,
I think we'll be able to
804
00:44:57,729 --> 00:45:00,065
start using film.
805
00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:04,469
The first signs of strain
were beginning to show
806
00:45:04,502 --> 00:45:07,138
on some of
the healthy, young faces
807
00:45:07,172 --> 00:45:09,507
and I was trying to keep
things together there
808
00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,377
because I could suddenly see
everything coming to pieces.
809
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:14,345
There was this
mad woman on my hands.
810
00:45:14,379 --> 00:45:18,683
What have I gotten
myself into ?
811
00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:21,619
Throughout the bus trip you
seemed to enjoy the chaos
812
00:45:21,652 --> 00:45:26,224
but at the same time, gently
guide the action.
813
00:45:26,257 --> 00:45:29,327
People felt that enlightenment
814
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,363
was going entirely
with the flow.
815
00:45:32,397 --> 00:45:34,399
But that's like being
the ball in a football game.
816
00:45:34,432 --> 00:45:36,968
I'd rather be the quarterback.
817
00:45:37,002 --> 00:45:38,503
I wanna
handle the ball,
818
00:45:38,536 --> 00:45:39,905
I don't wanna just be
thrown around.
819
00:45:43,875 --> 00:45:47,578
Ken was trying to run this whole
thing and be all philosophical,
820
00:45:47,612 --> 00:45:50,081
and he was caught up in
a million different trips.
821
00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:54,986
* And how long
will it go on ? *
822
00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:57,255
* How long can we wait
for help ? *
823
00:45:57,288 --> 00:45:58,924
* When no help
is coming for...
824
00:45:58,957 --> 00:46:01,860
It reminds me of
the mad Ophelia.
825
00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:04,329
I don't remember this at all.
826
00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:07,398
I remember swimming in the lake,
but none of this.
827
00:46:11,736 --> 00:46:16,174
For Stark, obviously,
it was too much to bear.
828
00:46:16,207 --> 00:46:19,344
For Gretch and Babbs,
they fell in love.
829
00:46:19,377 --> 00:46:20,879
Would you like to
play my feet ?
830
00:46:20,912 --> 00:46:22,948
Starting the bus trip,
I was Kesey's lover
831
00:46:22,981 --> 00:46:25,516
but after I met Babbs,
832
00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:28,119
he and I became lovers,
and stayed so.
833
00:46:28,153 --> 00:46:32,223
I wish I could always...
834
00:46:32,257 --> 00:46:35,393
Okay !
835
00:46:35,426 --> 00:46:37,595
The camera's fucked up again.
836
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,730
Hey, hey !
837
00:46:39,764 --> 00:46:41,099
The tractor has indeed arrived,
838
00:46:41,132 --> 00:46:43,768
they're going to pull us out
of this swamp.
839
00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:45,470
Sandy's there,
scratching his balls.
840
00:46:45,503 --> 00:46:48,473
Okay, let's go !
841
00:46:48,506 --> 00:46:49,574
Come on !
842
00:46:49,607 --> 00:46:51,442
Come on, faster !
843
00:46:51,476 --> 00:46:52,978
Whoa !
844
00:46:53,011 --> 00:46:54,946
Wait a minute, wait a minute.
845
00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,315
Try to reverse that.
846
00:46:57,348 --> 00:47:00,618
I think you're pulling against
each other.
847
00:47:02,988 --> 00:47:05,523
We're going !
848
00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,395
Keep her moving,
keep her moving !
849
00:47:10,428 --> 00:47:12,363
Keep her moving,
keep her moving !
850
00:47:14,165 --> 00:47:17,135
She and Babbs had
developed a great affair
851
00:47:17,168 --> 00:47:19,337
since Romeo and Juliet.
852
00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:22,607
* I got my mojo
working babe *
853
00:47:23,774 --> 00:47:26,277
* And I'm
going to try it on you *
854
00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:31,449
The love relationships was one
of the very obvious things
855
00:47:31,482 --> 00:47:32,683
that was going on.
856
00:47:32,717 --> 00:47:34,953
I mean, nothing was hidden,
you know ?
857
00:47:34,986 --> 00:47:37,188
* And I'm gonna
try it out on you *
858
00:47:38,156 --> 00:47:39,824
Babbs was really
worried that Kesey
859
00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:41,326
would be really pissed off,
860
00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:43,929
because Kesey was single,
because his wife wasn't there,
861
00:47:43,962 --> 00:47:46,431
so he was unattached,
sexually.
862
00:47:46,464 --> 00:47:49,600
* And now I'm gonna try it
on you *
863
00:47:49,634 --> 00:47:50,768
* Oh yeah *
864
00:47:50,801 --> 00:47:52,303
He did sulk for awhile,
865
00:47:52,337 --> 00:47:53,871
but he kind of
woke up out of his stupor
866
00:47:53,905 --> 00:47:56,607
and looked over and said,
"Nothing lasts."
867
00:47:56,641 --> 00:47:59,310
So that became one of
the Prankster mottos, too.
868
00:47:59,344 --> 00:48:00,411
"Nothing lasts."
869
00:48:03,048 --> 00:48:04,382
All this stuff
that we went through,
870
00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:07,518
all these "intertanglements"
of our relationships,
871
00:48:07,552 --> 00:48:09,720
our marriages,
and our loves and lovers,
872
00:48:09,754 --> 00:48:14,492
I think all of this is
Soap Opera 101.
873
00:48:14,525 --> 00:48:16,794
It's like we're all
in this class together
874
00:48:16,827 --> 00:48:20,531
and we went through it for
several weeks on the bus.
875
00:48:22,767 --> 00:48:26,571
Stark Naked never quite
recovered from Wikieup.
876
00:48:26,604 --> 00:48:28,506
All her molecules,
I don't think,
877
00:48:28,539 --> 00:48:30,375
came back together.
878
00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:33,344
Then she climbs out onto
the platform in the back
879
00:48:33,378 --> 00:48:36,381
and pretty soon all the truckers
were honking behind us--
880
00:48:36,414 --> 00:48:39,384
honk, honk, honk, honk.
881
00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:41,386
And Cassady couldn't figure out
what was going on,
882
00:48:41,419 --> 00:48:43,754
so somebody
looked out the back window
883
00:48:43,788 --> 00:48:47,525
and there she had taken
the blanket off her
884
00:48:47,558 --> 00:48:50,028
and she was just
standing out on the back deck
885
00:48:50,061 --> 00:48:52,263
just flaunting herself.
886
00:48:52,297 --> 00:48:57,168
She had all the semis heading
for Houston backed up behind us.
887
00:48:57,202 --> 00:49:01,206
Nobody wanted to pass us because
they were all watching her.
888
00:49:09,914 --> 00:49:13,518
That kind of madness is only
terrifying and miserable
889
00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:15,520
to the people
who are outside of it.
890
00:49:15,553 --> 00:49:18,456
To someone who's inside of it,
it's really not.
891
00:49:18,489 --> 00:49:20,791
I just wanted to
go into the darkness
892
00:49:20,825 --> 00:49:22,493
and be alone with my
own thoughts.
893
00:49:40,745 --> 00:49:44,315
I think my psychic vision
in relationship to myself
894
00:49:44,349 --> 00:49:47,818
was that I was getting
a little bit homesick.
895
00:49:47,852 --> 00:49:51,789
Then, not long after that, we
pulled into Larry McMurtry's,
896
00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:54,125
which was kind of a nice,
middle-class,
897
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:55,926
very tidy neighborhood.
898
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,463
Larry lives in this
upper, upper-middle-class
899
00:49:58,496 --> 00:50:00,165
collegiate section of town,
900
00:50:00,198 --> 00:50:05,103
and this electric, multicolored
circus bus shows up.
901
00:50:05,136 --> 00:50:07,505
Larry appeared at the bus
with a little child
902
00:50:07,538 --> 00:50:09,574
and it reminded
me of my daughter.
903
00:50:09,607 --> 00:50:10,941
I jumped off the bus
904
00:50:10,975 --> 00:50:14,011
and I guess, much to his
amazement, grabbed the baby.
905
00:50:14,045 --> 00:50:16,347
And she opens her arms wide
906
00:50:16,381 --> 00:50:19,684
and the blanket that she had
wrapped around her dropped.
907
00:50:19,717 --> 00:50:23,121
And she's standing
there stark naked.
908
00:50:23,154 --> 00:50:26,291
I thought she looked just fine,
as a matter of fact.
909
00:50:26,324 --> 00:50:27,592
I think it might have been
910
00:50:27,625 --> 00:50:29,327
a little bit of a problem for
Larry McMurtry,
911
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,331
as far as his
neighbors were concerned.
912
00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:37,702
Things just kinda continued to
go downhill from then on.
913
00:50:37,735 --> 00:50:41,172
I guess I was going through
a thing with Michael Hagen.
914
00:50:41,206 --> 00:50:43,374
And it might have been his
attention that he paid
915
00:50:43,408 --> 00:50:45,643
to other women
that disturbed me.
916
00:50:45,676 --> 00:50:48,313
It must've been about two
or three in the morning.
917
00:50:48,346 --> 00:50:49,680
I couldn't sleep
918
00:50:49,714 --> 00:50:52,383
and I just felt like
kind of walking it off.
919
00:50:52,417 --> 00:50:54,685
I was in a bad mood, actually,
920
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,521
and I went out
in my bare feet.
921
00:51:23,448 --> 00:51:25,150
Where are you taking me,
where are my friends ?
922
00:51:25,183 --> 00:51:27,084
Do my friends
know I'm here ?
923
00:51:27,118 --> 00:51:29,187
They held me in a cell
for a little while,
924
00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:31,256
then they had
someone come to talk to me.
925
00:51:31,289 --> 00:51:34,659
By this time, I was just
a complete wreck.
926
00:51:34,692 --> 00:51:35,993
Where am I ?
927
00:51:36,026 --> 00:51:37,595
You're in a hospital.
928
00:51:37,628 --> 00:51:39,864
People were asking me a lot of
strange questions,
929
00:51:39,897 --> 00:51:41,399
and I just didn't
answer any of them.
930
00:51:41,432 --> 00:51:45,336
Except I think I gave them my
name and that was all.
931
00:51:45,370 --> 00:51:47,838
Name, rank
and serial number, so to speak.
932
00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:49,006
Where am I ?
933
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:50,441
Right around here
to the desk.
934
00:51:50,475 --> 00:51:51,442
You're in a hospital.
935
00:51:51,476 --> 00:51:52,910
Hello, I'm a nurse.
936
00:51:52,943 --> 00:51:54,879
What's your name ?
937
00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:57,081
What happened to Stark Naked ?
938
00:51:57,114 --> 00:51:59,684
One of her friends in
San Francisco came out
939
00:51:59,717 --> 00:52:02,420
and got her and she ended up
going back home with him
940
00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:05,156
and that was as far
as she got on the trip.
941
00:52:07,258 --> 00:52:09,727
Hurry up, hurry up, we'll get
there in the nick of time.
942
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,262
Hurry up, hurry up,
hurry up,
943
00:52:11,296 --> 00:52:12,963
we'll get
there in the nick of time.
944
00:52:12,997 --> 00:52:14,399
We sort of abandoned her.
945
00:52:14,432 --> 00:52:17,468
We figured anybody that couldn't
hold their shit together
946
00:52:17,502 --> 00:52:18,969
just wasn't
gonna be able to make it.
947
00:52:19,003 --> 00:52:20,871
You know, we had a trip to do,
we had to keep on moving.
948
00:52:20,905 --> 00:52:23,274
And it also made
me nervous, thinking,
949
00:52:23,308 --> 00:52:25,042
"Who's going to be left
behind next ?
950
00:52:25,075 --> 00:52:26,977
Is it gonna be me ?"
951
00:52:30,014 --> 00:52:31,249
Weren't you concerned that
952
00:52:31,282 --> 00:52:34,118
this trip was beginning to
unravel ?
953
00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:35,986
I'll tell you
a thing that I learned
954
00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:37,788
while I was working in
the asylum
955
00:52:37,822 --> 00:52:39,924
that I think
is the most important thing
956
00:52:39,957 --> 00:52:41,326
I've ever learned.
957
00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:43,428
Every once in awhile,
all the power,
958
00:52:43,461 --> 00:52:45,230
the attention that you have,
959
00:52:45,263 --> 00:52:47,465
comes to bear on
exactly what you're doing
960
00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:50,435
and doesn't decide whether
it's good or bad,
961
00:52:50,468 --> 00:52:51,936
just decides that it is,
962
00:52:51,969 --> 00:52:53,771
and the only thing you
can do is enjoy the ride.
963
00:52:57,542 --> 00:53:00,745
* He's coming in
to New Orleans *
964
00:53:00,778 --> 00:53:04,515
* When the saints
go marching in *
965
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:06,484
* In *
966
00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:31,376
Well, Cassady wanted to
show us New Orleans
967
00:53:31,409 --> 00:53:32,877
because he was familiar with it
968
00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:36,281
and he was so excited to be
in New Orleans.
969
00:53:36,314 --> 00:53:40,451
It was a big, big deal.
970
00:53:40,485 --> 00:53:43,488
He had his favorite haunts,
he was kind of a tour guide.
971
00:53:54,399 --> 00:53:56,901
We went down to the heart of
the jazz district.
972
00:53:56,934 --> 00:53:59,637
Cassady was
a big jazz aficionado.
973
00:53:59,670 --> 00:54:01,506
He loved jazz.
974
00:54:01,539 --> 00:54:03,207
Ah, the Old Absinthe Bar.
975
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,509
The Old Absinthe Bar.
976
00:54:04,542 --> 00:54:05,710
I remember that
I was there once.
977
00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:07,678
I was there once.
978
00:54:07,712 --> 00:54:11,015
... warm, 11:00 in the
morning on Canal Street
979
00:54:11,048 --> 00:54:13,518
in New Orleans.
980
00:54:13,551 --> 00:54:16,887
It's this feeling of everything
moving slower and slower...
981
00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:19,524
Slower and slower,
982
00:54:19,557 --> 00:54:23,428
caught in some kind of
molasses mind warp, we were.
983
00:54:23,461 --> 00:54:26,531
That was where we started to
drink mint juleps.
984
00:54:26,564 --> 00:54:29,066
I think we went
down in a basement, too.
985
00:54:31,369 --> 00:54:35,373
We saw-- somebody had just
moved into the other room
986
00:54:35,406 --> 00:54:37,442
and there was a piano
987
00:54:37,475 --> 00:54:40,578
and he went in there and he sat
down and he started to play.
988
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:47,418
* My baby left me
989
00:54:51,121 --> 00:54:54,725
* My baby left me
a long time ago *
990
00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:58,396
I know Kesey
was just crazy about him.
991
00:54:58,429 --> 00:54:59,530
God, he'd come over
and he'd say,
992
00:54:59,564 --> 00:55:02,066
"Wow, this guy is great !"
993
00:55:03,501 --> 00:55:06,236
He wanted to take him with us
or something like that.
994
00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:11,175
* ... walked out the door
995
00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:15,079
Air's still thick
with dust motes
996
00:55:15,112 --> 00:55:17,081
swirling and following us
out the door
997
00:55:17,114 --> 00:55:20,150
and up and into--
onto the bus and there we went,
998
00:55:20,184 --> 00:55:22,387
"Moonlight Sinatra"
boarding with us.
999
00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:24,955
And we realized we gotta dip
this sucker in the water
1000
00:55:24,989 --> 00:55:26,757
before he goes off.
1001
00:55:26,791 --> 00:55:28,759
So we said, "We're gonna find
some water," and he says,
1002
00:55:28,793 --> 00:55:30,995
"Go to Lake Pontchartrain."
1003
00:55:31,028 --> 00:55:33,197
He didn't know where it was,
he'd just heard about it.
1004
00:55:38,002 --> 00:55:39,604
* Lead
1005
00:55:41,472 --> 00:55:43,173
* Lead
1006
00:55:44,475 --> 00:55:47,211
* Lead me on
1007
00:55:51,616 --> 00:55:54,985
* To the light *
1008
00:55:56,687 --> 00:55:59,457
You really look at the '60s
and what started there.
1009
00:55:59,490 --> 00:56:01,526
Music was changed forever.
1010
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,928
The feminist movement
started there,
1011
00:56:03,961 --> 00:56:05,430
the Civil Rights Movement.
1012
00:56:05,463 --> 00:56:07,498
While we were driving that bus
across the country,
1013
00:56:07,532 --> 00:56:09,500
Martin Luther King was in Selma.
1014
00:56:09,534 --> 00:56:13,438
Either you give the Negro his
God-given right
1015
00:56:13,471 --> 00:56:15,673
and his freedom
1016
00:56:15,706 --> 00:56:18,476
or you face the fact
1017
00:56:18,509 --> 00:56:23,648
of continual social disruption
and social chaos.
1018
00:56:23,681 --> 00:56:26,316
You have to remember,
this is 1964,
1019
00:56:26,350 --> 00:56:28,352
and it's right when
the Civil Rights thing
1020
00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:29,954
was in a very early infancy,
1021
00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:33,123
so white-only,
black-only consciousness
1022
00:56:33,157 --> 00:56:37,327
was still really prevalent
in the South.
1023
00:56:37,361 --> 00:56:39,997
And the story about
Lake Pontchartrain was that
1024
00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:43,233
we'd pulled into a black-only
area, the lake.
1025
00:56:43,267 --> 00:56:45,202
Of course, the
Pranksters didn't know that.
1026
00:56:45,235 --> 00:56:46,671
They just pulled up to this lake
1027
00:56:46,704 --> 00:56:49,039
because they saw it
and wanted to go swimming.
1028
00:56:51,408 --> 00:56:54,311
We got out--
I'm loaded on acid, right ?
1029
00:56:54,344 --> 00:56:56,413
Okay, and all these other guys
are loaded on acid.
1030
00:56:58,949 --> 00:57:01,018
Okay, here we are.
1031
00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:03,420
I think I don't notice that
anything is odd,
1032
00:57:03,454 --> 00:57:05,690
even at this point.
1033
00:57:07,057 --> 00:57:10,561
As we're swimming around
in this hot, hot, humid
1034
00:57:10,595 --> 00:57:14,198
first-day-of-summer
Louisiana day,
1035
00:57:14,231 --> 00:57:16,100
I remember looking around
the swimming hole
1036
00:57:16,133 --> 00:57:21,438
that we'd all just
practically ran and jumped into.
1037
00:57:21,472 --> 00:57:24,408
I thought, "God, there's a lot
of colored people here,
1038
00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:26,544
"and there's not
very many white people.
1039
00:57:26,577 --> 00:57:28,112
Well, there's one and there's
one and there's one..."
1040
00:57:28,145 --> 00:57:30,247
And I looked around
and I had this
1041
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,717
sudden realization that
I knew every single one of
1042
00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:35,285
the white people in
that swimming hole.
1043
00:57:35,319 --> 00:57:36,887
And then it dawned on me.
1044
00:57:36,921 --> 00:57:40,958
"Shit, we just
integrated this place."
1045
00:57:40,991 --> 00:57:45,062
Then all of a sudden this
wave of paranoia
1046
00:57:45,095 --> 00:57:47,097
went through us all.
1047
00:57:47,131 --> 00:57:50,100
Talk about being in the wrong
place at the wrong time.
1048
00:57:50,134 --> 00:57:53,337
That's the kind of thing that
could have started a race riot.
1049
00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:57,875
I don't believe a word was said,
1050
00:57:57,908 --> 00:58:00,978
we all just grabbed everything,
jumped on the bus and left.
1051
00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:25,402
Babbs just fell down in
the yard in Pensacola, Florida.
1052
00:58:25,435 --> 00:58:27,471
We went to this place where his
old roommates
1053
00:58:27,504 --> 00:58:29,006
still lived in Pensacola,
1054
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,609
where they'd been
Marines together.
1055
00:58:31,642 --> 00:58:35,512
We arrived and Babbs' Marine
buddy was still at work,
1056
00:58:35,546 --> 00:58:37,414
and so Kesey had
the idea of making
1057
00:58:37,447 --> 00:58:39,717
a little theatrical
thing to film.
1058
00:58:41,886 --> 00:58:44,755
The Slime Queen
will lead the way !
1059
00:58:53,964 --> 00:58:55,532
Oh, this is funny.
1060
00:58:55,566 --> 00:58:57,334
I remember this really well.
1061
00:58:57,367 --> 00:58:59,670
I consider this to be one of
the most fucked-up days
1062
00:58:59,704 --> 00:59:02,206
on the whole trip.
1063
00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:04,508
Being pregnant,
I was miserable.
1064
00:59:04,541 --> 00:59:05,876
It was just really hot,
1065
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:07,444
and there was no reason
to be there
1066
00:59:07,477 --> 00:59:11,148
and there's nothing
to do, so we did this.
1067
00:59:11,181 --> 00:59:12,683
I was trying to be cooperative,
1068
00:59:12,717 --> 00:59:15,552
but I can tell you that it
really had nothing going for me.
1069
00:59:17,588 --> 00:59:21,659
This is some kind of
absurd dance, as I recall.
1070
00:59:21,692 --> 00:59:23,227
I enjoyed it.
1071
00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:25,562
I just wish I could've played
the trombone better.
1072
00:59:27,264 --> 00:59:28,498
Playing those instruments.
1073
00:59:28,532 --> 00:59:30,034
Goddamn it.
1074
00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:32,336
Somebody starts playing the
saxophone for the first time.
1075
00:59:32,369 --> 00:59:35,806
Well, they want it to sound
like John Coltrane.
1076
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,408
Well, they're not gonna
sound like John Coltrane.
1077
00:59:38,442 --> 00:59:40,544
That's what made me so mad.
1078
00:59:40,577 --> 00:59:43,180
They thought they would just
because they wanted to.
1079
00:59:43,213 --> 00:59:44,214
But you don't.
1080
00:59:44,248 --> 00:59:45,783
It takes practice.
1081
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:53,958
Here's Babbs' friend from
Vietnam who rolls in.
1082
00:59:58,763 --> 00:59:59,897
Ah, pleased to meet you, sir.
1083
00:59:59,930 --> 01:00:01,365
Yes indeed, it's
been quite some time.
1084
01:00:01,398 --> 01:00:02,432
"Toodle-dy doodle-dy."
1085
01:00:02,466 --> 01:00:04,501
Oh yes, it's a little
strange since
1086
01:00:04,534 --> 01:00:06,036
the Corps,
don't you think ?
1087
01:00:06,070 --> 01:00:08,372
I've changed my uniform
slightly
1088
01:00:08,405 --> 01:00:12,777
and this is my new
battalion, yes, quite.
1089
01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,514
Yeah, we've given up
helicopters.
1090
01:00:17,547 --> 01:00:20,350
Most of these guys
can only fly at night.
1091
01:00:20,384 --> 01:00:22,519
So we've given up helicopters
and we now travel by bus.
1092
01:00:22,552 --> 01:00:24,121
It's slower
but more deliberate.
1093
01:00:27,591 --> 01:00:31,896
We must press onward at all
forward speed, fast.
1094
01:00:31,929 --> 01:00:34,098
Ahead fast lake.
1095
01:00:36,066 --> 01:00:37,935
Tennis anyone...
1096
01:00:40,270 --> 01:00:41,571
Where in the hell are we ?
1097
01:00:41,605 --> 01:00:43,774
Well, now John, John Babbs.
1098
01:00:43,808 --> 01:00:47,077
John Babbs became kind of
the semi-quasi navigator,
1099
01:00:47,111 --> 01:00:49,079
and became known as
"Sometimes Missing,"
1100
01:00:49,113 --> 01:00:52,382
because one time when he was
mapping us through one town,
1101
01:00:52,416 --> 01:00:53,751
we went through another
1102
01:00:53,784 --> 01:00:56,420
and when everybody got off the
bus to take a leak,
1103
01:00:56,453 --> 01:00:57,755
and went on again,
1104
01:00:57,788 --> 01:00:59,089
he wasn't there and nobody
noticed it 'til about
1105
01:00:59,123 --> 01:01:01,391
100 miles later.
1106
01:01:01,425 --> 01:01:03,794
But then as we turned around to
go pick him up,
1107
01:01:03,828 --> 01:01:05,429
here came a car
and he jumped out.
1108
01:01:05,462 --> 01:01:07,264
He had hitchhiked
and caught up with us.
1109
01:01:07,297 --> 01:01:10,400
John Babbs was in the backseat
waving his arms like this
1110
01:01:10,434 --> 01:01:12,136
and trying to
get our attention.
1111
01:01:12,169 --> 01:01:15,272
So we pulled over
and picked him up.
1112
01:01:15,305 --> 01:01:18,508
That's how he got the name
"Sometimes Missing."
1113
01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:22,412
* Well
1114
01:01:22,446 --> 01:01:25,482
* You know
you took my heart *
1115
01:01:27,184 --> 01:01:28,685
Welcome to New Jersey.
1116
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:31,321
Speed 50.
1117
01:01:31,355 --> 01:01:32,556
New Jersey Turnpike.
1118
01:01:45,702 --> 01:01:47,604
In a way, Cassady saw himself
1119
01:01:47,637 --> 01:01:50,340
as a guardian of that trip,
and he was.
1120
01:01:50,374 --> 01:01:54,144
He was driving, but he was not
masterminding the situation.
1121
01:01:54,178 --> 01:01:56,180
That was Kesey's trip.
1122
01:02:05,422 --> 01:02:07,324
People following him
all the time,
1123
01:02:07,357 --> 01:02:11,996
egging him on to greater
heights of self-indulgence.
1124
01:02:12,029 --> 01:02:13,964
And he always did it,
1125
01:02:13,998 --> 01:02:16,400
he always tried to be
more of this hero
1126
01:02:16,433 --> 01:02:22,172
that was this self-indulgent,
"On the Road" epic legend.
1127
01:02:24,909 --> 01:02:26,410
Yes, sir.
1128
01:02:26,443 --> 01:02:28,012
License and registration.
1129
01:02:28,045 --> 01:02:30,147
Of course !
1130
01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:31,415
Where you heading ?
1131
01:02:31,448 --> 01:02:33,183
I think it's
Madison Avenue.
1132
01:02:33,217 --> 01:02:35,385
We all learned a great deal
from Neal Cassady.
1133
01:02:35,419 --> 01:02:37,354
This is a guy
that knows what he's doing
1134
01:02:37,387 --> 01:02:40,524
and this is his medium.
1135
01:02:40,557 --> 01:02:44,361
It's words, it's cars,
and it's drugs.
1136
01:02:44,394 --> 01:02:45,996
Yes, sir, and that's why--
Back on the bus.
1137
01:02:46,030 --> 01:02:48,065
Everybody
get back on the bus !
1138
01:02:48,098 --> 01:02:49,766
I don't wanna see
anybody out here.
1139
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,336
We could all do making noise,
hitting sticks together,
1140
01:02:52,369 --> 01:02:55,906
but to be able to use the most
advanced of instruments,
1141
01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:57,674
which is our mind and our voice.
1142
01:02:57,707 --> 01:03:01,078
Cassady could do it better than
anybody, using words.
1143
01:03:11,155 --> 01:03:13,891
* Love Potion #9
1144
01:03:22,566 --> 01:03:24,401
He was like a bus driver
coming into his land.
1145
01:03:24,434 --> 01:03:26,036
You know, he'd spent a lot of
time in the East,
1146
01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:27,938
he wasn't from
New York, he was from Denver,
1147
01:03:27,972 --> 01:03:29,539
but he'd spent a lot of time
back there,
1148
01:03:29,573 --> 01:03:32,609
y'know, back in the days
with Kerouac and Ginsberg
1149
01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:34,444
and those guys and, you know,
1150
01:03:34,478 --> 01:03:36,046
I think he first learned
how to drive
1151
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,282
as a parking-lot attendant in
New York, as a matter of fact.
1152
01:03:38,315 --> 01:03:40,650
* I held my nose
I closed my eyes *
1153
01:03:40,684 --> 01:03:42,752
* I took a drink
1154
01:03:42,786 --> 01:03:46,156
* I didn't know if it was
day or night *
1155
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:49,793
* I started kissing
everything in sight *
1156
01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:53,497
* But when I kissed a cop down
at 34th and Vine *
1157
01:03:53,530 --> 01:03:55,832
* He broke
my little bottle *
1158
01:03:55,866 --> 01:03:58,702
* Of Love Potion #9...
1159
01:04:02,772 --> 01:04:05,809
I lost Love Potion #9.
1160
01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:08,145
Look, there's the Empire State
Building, dead ahead.
1161
01:04:08,178 --> 01:04:10,280
Seven miles, five miles--
1162
01:04:10,314 --> 01:04:13,183
seven-- possibility--
seven miles, Empire.
1163
01:04:13,217 --> 01:04:14,684
Manhattan on your right.
1164
01:04:14,718 --> 01:04:16,453
Well, coming into
New York was exciting
1165
01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:18,755
because that was our
destination.
1166
01:04:18,788 --> 01:04:20,524
Welcome to the Bronx.
1167
01:04:20,557 --> 01:04:23,527
I was there, this was it.
1168
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,030
I'd made it to New York.
1169
01:04:26,063 --> 01:04:28,798
What an unnatural environment
when you look at New York,
1170
01:04:28,832 --> 01:04:31,201
with the streets and the cars.
1171
01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:37,107
* Love Potion #9
1172
01:04:37,141 --> 01:04:39,476
* Love Potion #9 *
1173
01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:41,511
We are the Merry Band of
Pranksters.
1174
01:04:48,818 --> 01:04:51,455
When we went into New York City,
we were all on top of the bus
1175
01:04:51,488 --> 01:04:54,391
playing instruments and tootling
around to everybody.
1176
01:04:54,424 --> 01:04:56,660
It was a lot of fun
interacting with the people.
1177
01:05:00,064 --> 01:05:01,531
* You may have
heard of jalopies *
1178
01:05:01,565 --> 01:05:03,467
* You've heard the noise
they make *
1179
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,370
* But let me
introduce my new Rocket 88 *
1180
01:05:06,403 --> 01:05:08,138
* Yes it's great
1181
01:05:08,172 --> 01:05:09,706
* Just won't wait
1182
01:05:09,739 --> 01:05:12,542
* Everybody
likes my Rocket 88 *
1183
01:05:12,576 --> 01:05:14,344
* Baby we'll ride
in style *
1184
01:05:14,378 --> 01:05:16,580
* Movin' all along
1185
01:05:17,781 --> 01:05:20,484
it pulled up in New York,s when
1186
01:05:20,517 --> 01:05:21,952
and we'd drive
all over New York.
1187
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,355
It sure felt like you were
in an aquarium
1188
01:05:25,389 --> 01:05:26,856
on the other side of the glass.
1189
01:05:33,397 --> 01:05:37,934
The public always grinned
when they saw that bus.
1190
01:05:37,968 --> 01:05:41,171
It's like kids when they
see an Easter egg.
1191
01:05:41,205 --> 01:05:42,506
It's simple.
1192
01:05:42,539 --> 01:05:44,708
There it is,
it's colored, it's an egg.
1193
01:05:44,741 --> 01:05:47,744
Nobody felt the slightest bit
threatened by it.
1194
01:05:51,915 --> 01:05:54,118
Ken really believed that things
could be changed,
1195
01:05:54,151 --> 01:05:56,420
that consciousness
could be changed.
1196
01:05:56,453 --> 01:06:00,057
He saw himself as a kind of
liberator for the generation
1197
01:06:00,090 --> 01:06:03,627
and he saw the bus trip as a
kind of going to New York,
1198
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:06,963
a kind of, you know,
Napoleon goes to Paris.
1199
01:06:16,173 --> 01:06:20,477
The best the bus ever was was
when we drove through Harlem
1200
01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:24,448
and had all these people running
out and following us along
1201
01:06:24,481 --> 01:06:26,650
in Harlem, all these kids.
1202
01:06:31,821 --> 01:06:34,324
Some two weeks later,
the bus has somehow managed
1203
01:06:34,358 --> 01:06:36,626
to get across the country
and, once again,
1204
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:38,095
you encountered the bus.
1205
01:06:38,128 --> 01:06:40,997
Yes, 1239 Madison Avenue
1206
01:06:41,031 --> 01:06:43,500
was where this apartment was
that I knew about.
1207
01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:45,835
The next morning,
the Pranksters showed up.
1208
01:06:45,869 --> 01:06:48,438
And they all came in,
1209
01:06:48,472 --> 01:06:52,008
with about
500 pounds of equipment.
1210
01:06:52,042 --> 01:06:54,078
I mean, they just
had wires
1211
01:06:54,111 --> 01:06:56,613
and cameras and lights
1212
01:06:56,646 --> 01:06:58,982
and it was instantly
strewn
1213
01:06:59,015 --> 01:07:00,784
from one end of
the apartment to the other.
1214
01:07:05,855 --> 01:07:07,457
It looked like the bus !
1215
01:07:07,491 --> 01:07:10,594
It looked like
the inside of the bus.
1216
01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:13,930
And so that night, there was
this fantastic party
1217
01:07:13,963 --> 01:07:15,865
that got sort of out of hand
1218
01:07:15,899 --> 01:07:18,168
and the poor doorman
kept coming up and saying
1219
01:07:18,202 --> 01:07:19,436
everybody was complaining
1220
01:07:19,469 --> 01:07:21,471
and it went on
and on and on and on.
1221
01:07:25,675 --> 01:07:28,345
And everybody was very excited
that Kerouac was there,
1222
01:07:28,378 --> 01:07:32,015
and he was getting really
drunk, and Ginsberg came.
1223
01:07:33,049 --> 01:07:35,352
generation best minds of my
1224
01:07:35,385 --> 01:07:37,287
"destroyed by madness,
1225
01:07:37,321 --> 01:07:40,324
"starving, hysterical, naked,
1226
01:07:40,357 --> 01:07:43,059
"dragging themselves through
the Negro streets at dawn
1227
01:07:43,093 --> 01:07:45,028
looking for an angry fix..."
1228
01:07:45,061 --> 01:07:46,996
Ginsberg is like a sponge.
1229
01:07:47,030 --> 01:07:49,199
He can sop up
all our poisons.
1230
01:07:49,233 --> 01:07:50,567
I bought the record "Howl,"
1231
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,836
and he was kind of like
a folk singer, to me,
1232
01:07:52,869 --> 01:07:53,970
more than a poet.
1233
01:07:54,003 --> 01:07:55,705
I knew the sound
of him reading
1234
01:07:55,739 --> 01:07:57,907
before I read any of his stuff.
1235
01:07:57,941 --> 01:08:00,410
"... sat up smoking in
the supernatural darkness
1236
01:08:00,444 --> 01:08:01,978
"of cold water flats
1237
01:08:02,011 --> 01:08:05,415
floating across the tops of
cities contemplating jazz..."
1238
01:08:05,449 --> 01:08:07,851
And when we
headed off in the bus,
1239
01:08:07,884 --> 01:08:11,421
it was only natural that we
should head to New York
1240
01:08:11,455 --> 01:08:14,524
and try to find
Ginsberg and Kerouac.
1241
01:08:16,393 --> 01:08:18,528
Unfortunately, it wasn't like
meeting the author,
1242
01:08:18,562 --> 01:08:20,063
it was more like,
1243
01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:23,032
see if we can get him to
respond to our antics.
1244
01:08:23,066 --> 01:08:25,068
Which didn't happen.
1245
01:08:25,101 --> 01:08:28,138
He was not enthused
with our craziness.
1246
01:08:30,274 --> 01:08:32,576
The thing you gotta realize
about Kerouac,
1247
01:08:32,609 --> 01:08:35,078
it was like he was
already sort of an old guy
1248
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,680
and kind of out of it.
1249
01:08:36,713 --> 01:08:39,115
He was already
crystallized.
1250
01:08:39,149 --> 01:08:41,318
He was kind of a sad character.
1251
01:08:45,555 --> 01:08:49,926
We had been accepted by
the old gunfighters.
1252
01:08:49,959 --> 01:08:53,630
You know, this was the real
heavies in our mythologies:
1253
01:08:53,663 --> 01:08:56,233
Kerouac, Cassady, Ginsberg.
1254
01:08:57,501 --> 01:08:59,203
Neal was more on the right track
1255
01:08:59,236 --> 01:09:02,472
when he got started with
the Beat movement.
1256
01:09:02,506 --> 01:09:06,810
Kerouac and I met him in '45,
so he was only 20 then,
1257
01:09:06,843 --> 01:09:08,278
and within that year,
1258
01:09:08,312 --> 01:09:12,449
he and I had a romance that
lasted-- on and off for--
1259
01:09:12,482 --> 01:09:15,319
Well, 'til, at least
I think the last time
1260
01:09:15,352 --> 01:09:17,053
we were in bed together
was '66,
1261
01:09:17,086 --> 01:09:19,323
so that's 21 years.
1262
01:09:19,356 --> 01:09:21,791
I got a whole theory
about this man.
1263
01:09:21,825 --> 01:09:24,228
What he was was
the real smart Catholic boy
1264
01:09:24,261 --> 01:09:26,996
who got sucked up by Kerouac.
1265
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:30,834
But he was real poetic, like all
these Irish Catholics are,
1266
01:09:30,867 --> 01:09:34,070
and he got in with some
poets and he got aspirations
1267
01:09:34,103 --> 01:09:36,773
and somebody plants a little
seed of how great you could be
1268
01:09:36,806 --> 01:09:41,110
because you're so great,
so-- so sexy, so poetic.
1269
01:09:41,144 --> 01:09:42,646
He fell in love with that idea,
1270
01:09:42,679 --> 01:09:45,815
which was something he couldn't
possibly achieve.
1271
01:09:45,849 --> 01:09:48,485
So then he was
split between the two worlds.
1272
01:09:48,518 --> 01:09:52,155
He couldn't create anything
for himself.
1273
01:09:52,188 --> 01:09:56,025
He couldn't get it together with
a lady and have a good family.
1274
01:09:56,059 --> 01:09:59,128
He couldn't go off
and be a faggot with Ginsberg.
1275
01:09:59,162 --> 01:10:01,331
He couldn't be anything.
1276
01:10:01,365 --> 01:10:05,369
It's an exact mimicry of
Ginsberg 20 years ago.
1277
01:10:05,402 --> 01:10:07,203
Ginsberg used to be wild.
1278
01:10:07,237 --> 01:10:08,972
Ginsberg's so cool now.
1279
01:10:09,005 --> 01:10:11,174
He used to run over
Columbian rooftops
1280
01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:14,010
waving genitals
and manuscripts.
1281
01:10:14,043 --> 01:10:16,446
The whole point of the trip,
supposedly--
1282
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:17,681
at least in the beginning--
1283
01:10:17,714 --> 01:10:19,583
was that everyone was
gonna go to the fair.
1284
01:10:21,585 --> 01:10:23,853
All the Pranksters
were so excited.
1285
01:10:23,887 --> 01:10:25,455
This day,
we drove to the fair,
1286
01:10:25,489 --> 01:10:29,125
and it was like the hottest 29th
of June that ever had been.
1287
01:10:29,158 --> 01:10:32,662
the world is coming to the fair.
1288
01:10:32,696 --> 01:10:34,698
* I made my reservation
1289
01:10:34,731 --> 01:10:36,733
* I'm leaving town
tomorrow *
1290
01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:38,702
* I'll find
somebody new and *
1291
01:10:38,735 --> 01:10:40,870
* There'll be
no more sorrow *
1292
01:10:40,904 --> 01:10:42,406
* That's what I do
each time *
1293
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,207
* But I can't
follow through *
1294
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,510
* I can't break away
1295
01:10:46,543 --> 01:10:47,844
* Though you
make me cry *
1296
01:10:47,877 --> 01:10:50,547
* I can't break away...
1297
01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:53,450
the world of tomorrow.
1298
01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:58,388
Well, see, the whole idea--
1299
01:10:58,422 --> 01:11:00,023
this is what drove me
up the wall--
1300
01:11:00,056 --> 01:11:02,326
was it was
going to be made into a movie
1301
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:04,428
of everybody running about
at the fair.
1302
01:11:04,461 --> 01:11:07,697
Well, nobody kept together,
there was nothing to film,
1303
01:11:07,731 --> 01:11:09,566
it was all
just so dispersed.
1304
01:11:09,599 --> 01:11:11,501
We lost Sometimes Missing again.
1305
01:11:11,535 --> 01:11:12,936
That's what always happens.
1306
01:11:12,969 --> 01:11:16,005
Ken and Babbs were so manic
and so high.
1307
01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:19,743
They drank this
vile yellow concoction.
1308
01:11:19,776 --> 01:11:23,380
Swashbuckler,
I'll pull out my sword.
1309
01:11:23,413 --> 01:11:25,415
Well, of course the one thing
I wanted to see
1310
01:11:25,449 --> 01:11:29,353
was where the water ballet
was supposed to happen.
1311
01:11:29,386 --> 01:11:30,720
My whole reason
for going to New York
1312
01:11:30,754 --> 01:11:33,690
was to try to locate
a job possibility.
1313
01:11:33,723 --> 01:11:35,359
Babbs and I searched,
1314
01:11:35,392 --> 01:11:37,627
and finally found
this beautiful pool
1315
01:11:37,661 --> 01:11:41,097
and found out they had cancelled
the whole water ballet.
1316
01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:49,138
also take in the exhibitobably
1317
01:11:49,172 --> 01:11:51,441
where the wizardry
of modern chemistry
1318
01:11:51,475 --> 01:11:54,544
is presented with entertaining
showmanship.
1319
01:11:54,578 --> 01:11:58,147
* Better things for better
living through chemistry *
1320
01:11:58,181 --> 01:12:01,385
* For the finer world
we want *
1321
01:12:01,418 --> 01:12:04,721
* Better things for better
living through chemistry *
1322
01:12:04,754 --> 01:12:09,959
* That's the promise
of DuPont **
1323
01:12:21,805 --> 01:12:24,307
The fair was trippy and great.
1324
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:27,411
When you're high, the more
variety, the better.
1325
01:12:27,444 --> 01:12:31,080
out of this worldtake a journey
1326
01:12:31,114 --> 01:12:33,517
into the world of the future.
1327
01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:37,787
Forget the world around you,
forget the people around you.
1328
01:12:37,821 --> 01:12:41,024
You are entering futurama,
1329
01:12:41,057 --> 01:12:43,192
alone with
your own thoughts.
1330
01:12:46,896 --> 01:12:51,668
which was a great thing.
1331
01:12:51,701 --> 01:12:55,371
It was a vision of
the future of America,
1332
01:12:55,405 --> 01:12:58,341
and I-- Ken saw it that way.
1333
01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,444
The irony is
that curved, finned,
1334
01:13:00,477 --> 01:13:02,479
corporate America
"Tomorrowland,"
1335
01:13:02,512 --> 01:13:06,149
as presented at
the 1964 World's Fair,
1336
01:13:06,182 --> 01:13:07,684
was over before it began.
1337
01:13:07,717 --> 01:13:10,454
'64, things were
changing.
1338
01:13:10,487 --> 01:13:13,523
We didn't know that World's
Fairs were a thing of the past.
1339
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,062
* I can't break away
1340
01:13:19,095 --> 01:13:20,664
* Though you
make me cry *
1341
01:13:20,697 --> 01:13:23,667
* I can't break away... *
1342
01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:27,403
By then, the trip became more
important than the destination.
1343
01:13:27,437 --> 01:13:28,738
Never mind where we're going,
1344
01:13:28,772 --> 01:13:29,973
it doesn't make a difference
where you're going.
1345
01:13:30,006 --> 01:13:31,475
The whole notion of the trip,
1346
01:13:31,508 --> 01:13:35,144
taking acid trip,
came out of that summer.
1347
01:13:35,178 --> 01:13:37,413
The effect is somewhat like
looking through a microscope.
1348
01:13:37,447 --> 01:13:39,483
Suddenly, when you look through
a microscope,
1349
01:13:39,516 --> 01:13:41,551
you discover that there's
an invisible world around you
1350
01:13:41,585 --> 01:13:44,187
that you hadn't known about
before you did it.
1351
01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:46,355
The same thing is true of
the psychedelic drug.
1352
01:13:46,389 --> 01:13:49,358
* Timothy Leary's dead
1353
01:13:49,392 --> 01:13:51,561
After the disappointment
of the World's Fair,
1354
01:13:51,595 --> 01:13:53,863
you headed to
Timothy Leary's compound,
1355
01:13:53,897 --> 01:13:57,000
the International Foundation
for Internal Freedom.
1356
01:13:57,033 --> 01:13:58,502
Was it called "IFIF" ?
1357
01:13:58,535 --> 01:13:59,836
IFIF.
1358
01:13:59,869 --> 01:14:02,906
It was like a 4,000-acre
farm outside of Poughkeepsie
1359
01:14:02,939 --> 01:14:05,408
in Millbrook, New York.
1360
01:14:05,441 --> 01:14:08,211
We teach people how to turn on,
1361
01:14:08,244 --> 01:14:09,846
or how to go out of their minds.
1362
01:14:09,879 --> 01:14:14,684
By "turn on,"
we mean tune in, to get beyond
1363
01:14:14,718 --> 01:14:17,687
your routine ways
of thinking
1364
01:14:17,721 --> 01:14:19,422
and acting and experiencing.
1365
01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:21,457
* Timothy Leary's dead
1366
01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:24,393
Ginsberg is the one
that set it all up
1367
01:14:24,427 --> 01:14:26,362
because he knew those
guys at IFIF
1368
01:14:26,395 --> 01:14:29,465
and he thought it
would be a great opportunity
1369
01:14:29,499 --> 01:14:30,534
for us to meet each other.
1370
01:14:30,567 --> 01:14:33,302
It was like
the West Coast acidheads
1371
01:14:33,336 --> 01:14:35,271
meeting the East Coast
acidheads
1372
01:14:35,304 --> 01:14:37,473
and having a powwow.
1373
01:14:37,507 --> 01:14:39,408
We pulled into their scene,
1374
01:14:39,442 --> 01:14:42,111
making a lot of noise, we
set off these smoke grenades.
1375
01:14:42,145 --> 01:14:43,212
Smoke-bomb delight.
1376
01:14:43,246 --> 01:14:44,548
Smoke-bomb delight.
1377
01:14:44,581 --> 01:14:48,084
Pranksters at
the very castle.
1378
01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:53,256
And I have to inform you, just
what's exactly going on ?
1379
01:14:53,289 --> 01:14:55,959
We're high and they're coming
down is what's going on.
1380
01:14:59,028 --> 01:15:01,931
after a tripat quiet time
1381
01:15:01,965 --> 01:15:04,300
when you just want to be
very mellow
1382
01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:10,006
and up drives the bus
with these speed freaks,
1383
01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:15,311
and they come to have fun
and play with flutes and--
1384
01:15:15,344 --> 01:15:18,281
everybody in the house took one
look and fled,
1385
01:15:18,314 --> 01:15:20,650
leaving me to welcome them.
1386
01:15:22,819 --> 01:15:24,621
* So raise your glass
we'll drink a toast *
1387
01:15:24,654 --> 01:15:28,692
* To the little man who sells
you thrills along the pier *
1388
01:15:28,725 --> 01:15:30,359
The whole Millbrook scene,
1389
01:15:30,393 --> 01:15:33,496
it was just the other end of
the same stick, I think.
1390
01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:36,165
We were "scuffy"
and didn't have much money
1391
01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:39,969
and pulled into this mansion,
which was upper crust.
1392
01:15:40,003 --> 01:15:41,537
We felt a kinship to them,
1393
01:15:41,571 --> 01:15:44,708
but we could also tell that they
were wishing that we'd leave.
1394
01:15:44,741 --> 01:15:47,143
What everybody anticipated
didn't turn out,
1395
01:15:47,176 --> 01:15:49,445
it kind of fizzled.
1396
01:15:49,478 --> 01:15:53,983
We waited all day for Leary to
show up and he just avoided us.
1397
01:15:54,017 --> 01:15:56,319
And then he sort of disappeared
with Cassady,
1398
01:15:56,352 --> 01:15:59,322
and Cassady went
upstairs and hung out with--
1399
01:15:59,355 --> 01:16:01,357
They didn't want us
to go upstairs.
1400
01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:08,698
Alpert was very friendly.
1401
01:16:08,732 --> 01:16:10,533
He was there.
1402
01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:12,335
Just listening to
Alpert talk, man,
1403
01:16:12,368 --> 01:16:15,404
it seemed like he was
a fucking crazy man.
1404
01:16:15,438 --> 01:16:19,175
All of my games were, like,
going off into the distance.
1405
01:16:19,208 --> 01:16:20,677
I got this terrible panic
1406
01:16:20,710 --> 01:16:24,480
because, indeed, I was going to
cease to exist.
1407
01:16:24,513 --> 01:16:27,350
And I got the panic
which is the panic that precedes
1408
01:16:27,383 --> 01:16:28,885
the psychological death,
1409
01:16:28,918 --> 01:16:31,054
because indeed Richard Alpert
was dying.
1410
01:16:31,087 --> 01:16:34,357
These people scared
the shit out of me, man.
1411
01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:36,926
They were very clinical
and controlled
1412
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,395
and we were really free-form.
1413
01:16:39,428 --> 01:16:42,465
We were the explorers
and they were the scientists.
1414
01:16:47,203 --> 01:16:50,339
And so we just entertained
ourselves at this waterfall.
1415
01:16:50,373 --> 01:16:52,341
* Shake it up
baby now *
1416
01:16:52,375 --> 01:16:54,277
* Shake it up baby
1417
01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:55,779
* Twist and shout
1418
01:16:55,812 --> 01:16:58,181
* Come on
and twist and shout *
1419
01:16:58,214 --> 01:17:00,116
* Come on baby now
1420
01:17:00,149 --> 01:17:01,384
* Come on baby
1421
01:17:01,417 --> 01:17:02,786
* Come on and work it...
1422
01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:04,921
And that's where Kathy Van
Leeuwen got her nickname,
1423
01:17:04,954 --> 01:17:06,956
"Sensuous Experience."
1424
01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:09,425
Sensuous X,
yes, I remember her well.
1425
01:17:09,458 --> 01:17:12,395
Her name was implied in
her very baring,
1426
01:17:12,428 --> 01:17:16,132
that is to say
her bodily example.
1427
01:17:16,165 --> 01:17:18,702
Kathy was Zonker's girlfriend
in college
1428
01:17:18,735 --> 01:17:20,303
and that's why
Zonker went on the trip.
1429
01:17:22,806 --> 01:17:24,107
Sensuous.
1430
01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:25,608
Oh my God, look at her.
1431
01:17:25,641 --> 01:17:28,144
Oh, she's so much like
Marilyn Monroe, right ?
1432
01:17:28,177 --> 01:17:30,579
* Come on, come on
come on baby now *
1433
01:17:30,613 --> 01:17:32,415
* Come on baby *
1434
01:17:32,448 --> 01:17:33,950
Now I'm wondering
at this point
1435
01:17:33,983 --> 01:17:35,151
whether my girlfriend has been
1436
01:17:35,184 --> 01:17:37,086
having sex with these
people or not.
1437
01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:41,290
And that's the point at which
Kesey started flirting with her,
1438
01:17:41,324 --> 01:17:43,092
trying to get her attention,
1439
01:17:43,126 --> 01:17:45,228
and he did
get her attention.
1440
01:17:45,261 --> 01:17:47,296
* Have you
1441
01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:50,566
* Ever heard
the story about *
1442
01:17:50,599 --> 01:17:53,336
* Peggy the pistol ?
1443
01:17:53,369 --> 01:17:56,472
He says, "All my dope is yours,"
as he's fucking my girlfriend.
1444
01:17:56,505 --> 01:17:57,941
Thanks, Kesey.
1445
01:17:57,974 --> 01:18:00,509
I wanted to get out of New York
as quick as possible,
1446
01:18:00,543 --> 01:18:01,677
and I was
basically telling her that
1447
01:18:01,711 --> 01:18:04,413
she could get on the bus,
but I was gone.
1448
01:18:04,447 --> 01:18:06,282
But then I realized that
I really didn't want to
1449
01:18:06,315 --> 01:18:07,784
leave her with
all these fuckers.
1450
01:18:12,621 --> 01:18:15,792
When they were getting ready to
leave town, I had to decide,
1451
01:18:15,825 --> 01:18:19,863
you know, was I gonna
stay or was I gonna go ?
1452
01:18:19,896 --> 01:18:22,932
At that point, I was still
planning on staying to work.
1453
01:18:22,966 --> 01:18:24,367
It didn't work out that way.
1454
01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,469
I got sucked into
the Prankster scene
1455
01:18:26,502 --> 01:18:29,305
too much, too heavily.
1456
01:18:29,338 --> 01:18:31,307
So I stayed on
the bus.
1457
01:18:33,209 --> 01:18:35,178
I wasn't there on the way back.
1458
01:18:35,211 --> 01:18:37,346
I was so happy to be off of it.
1459
01:18:45,188 --> 01:18:48,291
Coming back's
a whole 'nother trip.
1460
01:18:48,324 --> 01:18:51,861
Cassady, he didn't come back
with us.
1461
01:18:51,895 --> 01:18:54,497
The trip across was basically
1462
01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:57,566
lengths of Neal's driving
consciousness,
1463
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,135
and then on the way back,
1464
01:18:59,168 --> 01:19:01,905
suddenly the driving duties were
thrust upon the rest of us.
1465
01:19:04,107 --> 01:19:08,211
Everybody took turns,
the guys anyway.
1466
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:17,020
That was on the way back.
1467
01:19:17,053 --> 01:19:20,423
We just started driving the bus
down this abandoned dirt road
1468
01:19:20,456 --> 01:19:23,259
and ended up at
this incredible lake
1469
01:19:23,292 --> 01:19:25,361
and there was nobody there
but us.
1470
01:19:30,433 --> 01:19:34,403
We decided we wanted to
find a spot to take IT-290.
1471
01:19:35,704 --> 01:19:37,373
Well, IT-290 was famous.
1472
01:19:37,406 --> 01:19:41,377
That's the Rolls-Royce
of psychedelics.
1473
01:19:41,410 --> 01:19:43,880
Kesey had stolen a jar.
1474
01:19:43,913 --> 01:19:47,650
He claimed it was the last jar
of IT-290 on the planet.
1475
01:19:50,153 --> 01:19:52,288
And so he wanted
a very special place
1476
01:19:52,321 --> 01:19:53,990
for everybody to take it.
1477
01:19:58,327 --> 01:20:01,364
So we built a little fire
and made a little campground
1478
01:20:01,397 --> 01:20:05,568
and popped the IT-290
and had the trip.
1479
01:20:13,342 --> 01:20:16,913
Oh, it was wonderful,
it was even better than acid.
1480
01:20:16,946 --> 01:20:20,383
It's a hallucinogen,
but very calm.
1481
01:20:20,416 --> 01:20:23,619
Acid can have a hard
edge to it sometimes,
1482
01:20:23,652 --> 01:20:25,955
but this is very calming.
1483
01:20:29,358 --> 01:20:31,327
Colors very vivid.
1484
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,129
It was very communal,
1485
01:20:33,162 --> 01:20:35,932
in that you felt connected to
everybody.
1486
01:20:44,373 --> 01:20:47,643
I thought that this was as
American as you could get,
1487
01:20:47,676 --> 01:20:50,679
because we were
exploring a new territory,
1488
01:20:50,713 --> 01:20:53,149
just the same way we went
to the moon
1489
01:20:53,182 --> 01:20:58,521
or sent Lewis and Clark
expedition here to Oregon.
1490
01:20:58,554 --> 01:21:01,624
It was part of our American
personality.
1491
01:21:01,657 --> 01:21:03,993
You find a cave,
1492
01:21:04,027 --> 01:21:06,529
nobody's been in it,
you go in it.
1493
01:21:06,562 --> 01:21:08,431
You try to go down
deeper into the ocean
1494
01:21:08,464 --> 01:21:09,865
and up higher in the sky
1495
01:21:09,899 --> 01:21:14,537
and these drugs were opening
a door to new landscapes.
1496
01:21:16,472 --> 01:21:17,941
Once you're through that door
1497
01:21:17,974 --> 01:21:21,110
and you look out into
this vast room
1498
01:21:21,144 --> 01:21:24,981
with all these
windows onto new vistas,
1499
01:21:25,014 --> 01:21:27,150
you become tremendously excited
1500
01:21:27,183 --> 01:21:31,354
and want to do
what you can to explore it,
1501
01:21:31,387 --> 01:21:32,989
because you could look around
and you saw
1502
01:21:33,022 --> 01:21:34,657
that there weren't
human footprints
1503
01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:36,225
all over this landscape.
1504
01:21:40,563 --> 01:21:44,233
* I saw her
standing on the corner *
1505
01:21:44,267 --> 01:21:47,336
How did the dynamics
on the bus change
1506
01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:50,206
when some of the wives joined
the trip back ?
1507
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,208
At one point,
it got all couples.
1508
01:21:52,241 --> 01:21:53,909
At one point, there were
14 of us on the bus,
1509
01:21:53,943 --> 01:21:55,411
seven men and seven women.
1510
01:21:55,444 --> 01:21:56,745
Lots of them
were married,
1511
01:21:56,779 --> 01:21:58,847
but not to the person that they
were coupling with.
1512
01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:05,354
I remember one morning we woke
up and everybody was fucking,
1513
01:22:05,388 --> 01:22:06,655
the whole bus was shaking.
1514
01:22:06,689 --> 01:22:08,257
* You're the one
you're the one *
1515
01:22:08,291 --> 01:22:09,325
* You're the one
1516
01:22:09,358 --> 01:22:10,726
* You're the one
1517
01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:12,461
* Young girl
1518
01:22:15,031 --> 01:22:16,399
* Young girl
1519
01:22:16,432 --> 01:22:18,701
It got a lot heavier
on the way back.
1520
01:22:18,734 --> 01:22:21,070
That was fervor-pitch stuff.
1521
01:22:21,104 --> 01:22:22,505
I think I talked
with Kesey about our
1522
01:22:22,538 --> 01:22:24,940
fucking strange situation.
1523
01:22:24,974 --> 01:22:26,375
The thing
was weird, man,
1524
01:22:26,409 --> 01:22:28,511
but you couldn't be
mad at him.
1525
01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:32,248
He was really compassionate.
1526
01:22:32,281 --> 01:22:33,782
I liked Sensuous,
1527
01:22:33,816 --> 01:22:35,584
and that was
the most difficult part is,
1528
01:22:35,618 --> 01:22:37,186
having been lovers,
1529
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:40,423
not being lovers anymore and
continuing to be friends.
1530
01:22:40,456 --> 01:22:43,426
* I can't get you
out of my mind **
1531
01:22:57,306 --> 01:22:59,242
The thing that creates problems
1532
01:22:59,275 --> 01:23:02,978
in all those husband-and-wife
triangle situations
1533
01:23:03,012 --> 01:23:06,582
is everybody's hang-up
with their own attachment
1534
01:23:06,615 --> 01:23:09,585
to some kind of belief of
the way it ought to be.
1535
01:23:23,632 --> 01:23:27,670
When I came through
Yellowstone Park with this bus,
1536
01:23:27,703 --> 01:23:29,305
I saw a sign
that said,
1537
01:23:29,338 --> 01:23:32,108
"Beware of the Bear,"
1538
01:23:32,141 --> 01:23:35,144
and something clicked
when I saw this and I thought,
1539
01:23:35,178 --> 01:23:36,612
"There's the problem.
1540
01:23:36,645 --> 01:23:40,183
"There's the whole hang-up
that stops me from writing,
1541
01:23:40,216 --> 01:23:43,286
"stops people from singing,
stops people from living.
1542
01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:45,854
"Beware of the Bear.
1543
01:23:45,888 --> 01:23:48,257
"What did that
used to mean ?
1544
01:23:48,291 --> 01:23:50,693
"It used to mean be aware
of the bear,
1545
01:23:50,726 --> 01:23:52,628
now it means be scared of it."
1546
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,303
This little piece of knowledge,
1547
01:24:00,336 --> 01:24:02,471
you can plug it into
any person
1548
01:24:02,505 --> 01:24:05,341
who is now being hassled with
the way the world is changing.
1549
01:24:05,374 --> 01:24:07,410
Goldwater and his bunch
are scared.
1550
01:24:08,811 --> 01:24:11,280
That extremism...
1551
01:24:11,314 --> 01:24:15,718
in the defense of liberty
is no vice.
1552
01:24:15,751 --> 01:24:19,722
There's something happening
that is scaring these people.
1553
01:24:19,755 --> 01:24:22,525
Which means that something is
happening that is so new,
1554
01:24:22,558 --> 01:24:25,461
they're scared beyond
any powers of reasoning.
1555
01:24:25,494 --> 01:24:27,363
Eight, nine...
1556
01:24:27,396 --> 01:24:30,899
Ten, nine, eight, seven,
1557
01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:34,570
six, five, four, three,
1558
01:24:34,603 --> 01:24:37,506
two, one, zero.
1559
01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:43,879
These are the stakes.
1560
01:24:43,912 --> 01:24:48,384
To make a world in which all of
God's children can live
1561
01:24:48,417 --> 01:24:51,187
or to go into the dark.
1562
01:24:51,220 --> 01:24:54,723
We must either
love each other
1563
01:24:54,757 --> 01:24:56,892
or we must die.
1564
01:24:56,925 --> 01:25:00,163
on November 3rd.nt Johnson
1565
01:25:00,196 --> 01:25:02,465
The stakes are
too high for you to stay home.
1566
01:25:29,225 --> 01:25:32,127
All the themes of my work have
to do with America,
1567
01:25:32,161 --> 01:25:34,530
traveling across this land,
1568
01:25:34,563 --> 01:25:36,465
coming to this edge
and then what ?
1569
01:25:54,783 --> 01:25:59,522
Light membranes have passed
into an oxygenation state.
1570
01:26:00,656 --> 01:26:03,459
After we got back to La Honda,
after the bus trip,
1571
01:26:03,492 --> 01:26:05,394
we had a very
purposeful ritual
1572
01:26:05,428 --> 01:26:07,396
to get out from under
this bus thing.
1573
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:08,631
We took all of our bus clothes
1574
01:26:08,664 --> 01:26:10,399
and put them in a pile
and set fire to them,
1575
01:26:10,433 --> 01:26:11,767
because I wanted
to be done with it,
1576
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,135
I wanted to get back
to business.
1577
01:26:13,168 --> 01:26:15,304
I had books
to write and kids to raise.
1578
01:26:15,338 --> 01:26:17,740
But it wouldn't die.
1579
01:26:17,773 --> 01:26:19,342
People just
kept coming around.
1580
01:26:19,375 --> 01:26:21,744
Like little jackrabbits
gaily crossing
1581
01:26:21,777 --> 01:26:23,412
the pasture that
morning, so--
1582
01:26:23,446 --> 01:26:25,448
What happened with us,
we were making that movie
1583
01:26:25,481 --> 01:26:27,516
and pretty soon on Saturdays
when we showed it,
1584
01:26:27,550 --> 01:26:29,752
people were
coming to see what it was.
1585
01:26:29,785 --> 01:26:31,420
And the red barn and the kids
on the beach
1586
01:26:31,454 --> 01:26:33,289
in the stream saying...
1587
01:26:33,322 --> 01:26:35,324
We really didn't project it
until I'd finished editing it,
1588
01:26:35,358 --> 01:26:37,460
reel to reel,
in chronological order.
1589
01:26:37,493 --> 01:26:40,363
And we showed it from beginning
to end without stopping,
1590
01:26:40,396 --> 01:26:42,231
so 30 hours straight.
1591
01:26:44,667 --> 01:26:46,269
And so, for part of it,
1592
01:26:46,302 --> 01:26:48,036
everybody slept through it,
of course.
1593
01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:50,339
Cassady, of course,
he took speed, was awake
1594
01:26:50,373 --> 01:26:52,841
and was the one who ended up
running the projector
1595
01:26:52,875 --> 01:26:54,543
and talking very softly,
1596
01:26:54,577 --> 01:26:57,313
"And now we're
coming to New York."
1597
01:26:57,346 --> 01:26:59,382
Enjoying every second of it.
1598
01:26:59,415 --> 01:27:01,817
But he was
the only one awake.
1599
01:27:01,850 --> 01:27:04,520
Absolutely everybody
was asleep.
1600
01:27:05,921 --> 01:27:08,491
He's out of his nuts !
1601
01:27:08,524 --> 01:27:10,659
Every Saturday, they'd come
around more and more,
1602
01:27:10,693 --> 01:27:13,962
because we would do these
Saturday-night trips.
1603
01:27:13,996 --> 01:27:16,532
And finally, there were
just too many coming around.
1604
01:27:16,565 --> 01:27:18,701
I realized, "I gotta get this
out of my house
1605
01:27:18,734 --> 01:27:21,036
"because otherwise, then I'll
be cleaning up all week long
1606
01:27:21,069 --> 01:27:22,237
for the rest of my life."
1607
01:27:22,271 --> 01:27:24,072
So we just said,
"Okay, next time,
1608
01:27:24,106 --> 01:27:27,075
we're gonna do this in
Santa Cruz at Babbs' house."
1609
01:27:27,109 --> 01:27:29,044
Which is really the beginning of
the acid tests.
1610
01:27:30,012 --> 01:27:33,081
* Everywhere
and all of the time *
1611
01:27:33,115 --> 01:27:36,585
* It's bending my mind *
1612
01:27:40,389 --> 01:27:42,358
And then, after that, he said,
"I don't want it at my place."
1613
01:27:42,391 --> 01:27:44,760
He said, "Okay, next time
we'll do it in San Jose."
1614
01:27:44,793 --> 01:27:48,063
So each time, we just said,
1615
01:27:48,096 --> 01:27:51,834
"Next week, on Saturday,
it'll be happening there."
1616
01:27:51,867 --> 01:27:54,603
* I'm flying down
deserted streets *
1617
01:27:54,637 --> 01:27:57,340
* Wrapped in mother's
winding sheets *
1618
01:27:57,373 --> 01:28:00,409
* Asbestos boots
on flaming feet *
1619
01:28:00,443 --> 01:28:02,878
* Dreaming of forbidden treats
1620
01:28:02,911 --> 01:28:06,048
* When uniforms
on nighttime beats ask me *
1621
01:28:06,081 --> 01:28:07,516
When we started
doing the acid test,
1622
01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:11,787
we took on the Dead as sort of
our backup band.
1623
01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:13,021
* I can't come down
1624
01:28:13,055 --> 01:28:14,457
* It's plain to see
1625
01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:16,525
Kesey and the bus,
1626
01:28:16,559 --> 01:28:18,193
they'd been doing outrageous
things for quite awhile,
1627
01:28:18,226 --> 01:28:19,595
and had a reputation for it.
1628
01:28:19,628 --> 01:28:21,530
And-- and for us, it seemed like
a real interesting thing
1629
01:28:21,564 --> 01:28:22,765
to go and check out.
1630
01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:32,475
* Well someone's trying
to tell me where it's at *
1631
01:28:32,508 --> 01:28:35,277
And they were our
first and best audience,
1632
01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:36,445
the Pranksters were, you know.
1633
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,381
They were the first ones
to get off on us.
1634
01:28:38,414 --> 01:28:40,549
* Little wings
like a vampire bat *
1635
01:28:40,583 --> 01:28:43,218
* I fly away to my
cold water flat *
1636
01:28:43,251 --> 01:28:44,920
* And eat my way...
1637
01:28:44,953 --> 01:28:47,255
They weren't just playing what
was on the music sheets,
1638
01:28:47,289 --> 01:28:49,257
they were playing
what was in the air.
1639
01:28:49,291 --> 01:28:50,459
* I can't come down
1640
01:28:50,493 --> 01:28:51,927
* It's plain to see
1641
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,328
* I can't come down
1642
01:28:53,362 --> 01:28:54,930
When the Dead
are at their best,
1643
01:28:54,963 --> 01:28:58,100
the vibrations that are stirred
up by the audience
1644
01:28:58,133 --> 01:28:59,835
is the music that they play.
1645
01:28:59,868 --> 01:29:03,271
That means that the band
has to be supple enough
1646
01:29:03,305 --> 01:29:06,542
to really read
the notes written on the wall.
1647
01:29:07,443 --> 01:29:10,513
* They say I've begun
to lose my grip *
1648
01:29:10,546 --> 01:29:13,348
* My hold on
reality's starting to slip *
1649
01:29:13,382 --> 01:29:15,918
* To tell me to get off
of this trip *
1650
01:29:15,951 --> 01:29:19,154
* They say that it's
like a sinking ship *
1651
01:29:19,187 --> 01:29:22,124
It moved on from that,
exponentially,
1652
01:29:22,157 --> 01:29:25,027
from one place
to another place.
1653
01:29:25,060 --> 01:29:26,161
* I can't come down
1654
01:29:26,194 --> 01:29:27,430
* It's plain to see
1655
01:29:27,463 --> 01:29:28,931
* I can't come down
1656
01:29:28,964 --> 01:29:30,933
* I've been set free *
1657
01:29:30,966 --> 01:29:33,368
LSD is a really groovy way
to find out more about
1658
01:29:33,402 --> 01:29:34,703
the things around you.
1659
01:29:34,737 --> 01:29:36,972
LSD helps me understand
the whole world better.
1660
01:29:37,005 --> 01:29:40,543
LSD helps you to
understand your own mind.
1661
01:29:42,377 --> 01:29:44,312
Once Pandora's box is open,
1662
01:29:44,346 --> 01:29:47,149
you can't regulate who gets to
use the stuff
1663
01:29:47,182 --> 01:29:48,651
that flies out of it.
1664
01:29:50,218 --> 01:29:52,521
by the problem of LSD.ghtened
1665
01:29:52,555 --> 01:29:55,491
I think there's been
a great deal of misinformation
1666
01:29:55,524 --> 01:29:58,326
by those who seem to
see no harm in it.
1667
01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,328
But as a parent
and as a citizen
1668
01:30:00,362 --> 01:30:02,531
and certainly now in this
position,
1669
01:30:02,565 --> 01:30:04,667
I am greatly concerned.
1670
01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:07,069
producing weirddrug capable of
1671
01:30:07,102 --> 01:30:08,403
and dangerous hallucinations
1672
01:30:08,437 --> 01:30:10,506
had found its way
onto the streets.
1673
01:30:10,539 --> 01:30:12,541
We had to try and stop it.
1674
01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:19,648
The government said,
"Stop that experiment.
1675
01:30:19,682 --> 01:30:21,216
"All these guinea pigs that
we've sent up there
1676
01:30:21,249 --> 01:30:22,718
"into outer space,
bring 'em back down,
1677
01:30:22,751 --> 01:30:24,587
"and don't ever let 'em
go back up there again,
1678
01:30:24,620 --> 01:30:26,589
because we don't like
the look in their eyes."
1679
01:30:30,358 --> 01:30:33,195
He's clean, Joe,
except for these.
1680
01:30:33,228 --> 01:30:34,429
Sugar cubes.
1681
01:30:34,463 --> 01:30:35,598
Maybe your bookie's
been dropping that acid
1682
01:30:35,631 --> 01:30:36,665
we've been hearing about.
1683
01:30:36,699 --> 01:30:37,566
Evil !
1684
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,702
Evil, evil !
1685
01:30:39,735 --> 01:30:41,003
All right,
come on, son.
1686
01:30:41,036 --> 01:30:42,505
Settle down.
1687
01:30:42,538 --> 01:30:44,840
Oh, no, no...
1688
01:30:44,873 --> 01:30:47,275
whether they want to or not,
1689
01:30:47,309 --> 01:30:48,511
are becoming expert in
1690
01:30:48,544 --> 01:30:50,779
the handling of LSD users
in trouble.
1691
01:30:50,813 --> 01:30:51,747
You're gonna be all right.
1692
01:30:51,780 --> 01:30:53,381
I want to get--
1693
01:30:53,415 --> 01:30:54,750
Some people have a bad
experience the first time
1694
01:30:54,783 --> 01:30:56,384
they take the drug.
1695
01:30:56,418 --> 01:30:59,755
Others take it 30, 60,
or even 100 times
1696
01:30:59,788 --> 01:31:01,524
before their bad trip.
1697
01:31:01,557 --> 01:31:04,426
And the bad trip:
instant insanity.
1698
01:31:04,459 --> 01:31:07,095
Often, a Never Never Land
of no return.
1699
01:31:07,129 --> 01:31:09,231
No, no, get away !
1700
01:31:09,264 --> 01:31:11,366
Some others who take LSD
1701
01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:14,402
will have even more tragic
freak-outs.
1702
01:31:14,436 --> 01:31:18,140
Many lose
all contact with reality.
1703
01:31:18,173 --> 01:31:20,576
Some forget what height means
1704
01:31:20,609 --> 01:31:23,045
and in a turned-on
or euphoric state,
1705
01:31:23,078 --> 01:31:27,382
step or attempt to fly from
cliffs and high windows,
1706
01:31:27,415 --> 01:31:29,384
with real-life,
1707
01:31:29,417 --> 01:31:32,487
permanent
non-psychedelic results.
1708
01:31:32,521 --> 01:31:34,790
Other trippers attempt to merge
1709
01:31:34,823 --> 01:31:37,860
their beings with large,
fast automobiles.
1710
01:31:48,971 --> 01:31:50,739
With all the hype about LSD,
1711
01:31:50,773 --> 01:31:53,475
you were busted with
marijuana ?
1712
01:31:53,508 --> 01:31:54,643
It wasn't even grass charges,
1713
01:31:54,677 --> 01:31:59,948
it was being in a place
where marijuana was.
1714
01:31:59,982 --> 01:32:02,685
Mr. Kesey, do you feel like
you did something wrong ?
1715
01:32:02,718 --> 01:32:04,620
I feel like you only come to
this movie once
1716
01:32:04,653 --> 01:32:06,655
and if you don't
get something rewarding
1717
01:32:06,689 --> 01:32:08,791
out of every minute you're
sitting there,
1718
01:32:08,824 --> 01:32:10,826
then you're
blowing your ticket.
1719
01:32:14,462 --> 01:32:16,331
Let's assume the worst.
1720
01:32:16,364 --> 01:32:18,333
Supposing they do come back
with a conviction,
1721
01:32:18,366 --> 01:32:19,802
would you appeal ?
1722
01:32:19,835 --> 01:32:23,505
Well, if I could just
concede in some way
1723
01:32:23,538 --> 01:32:25,540
and let them stick me in jail
1724
01:32:25,574 --> 01:32:29,311
and do my time, I would do it
and save the taxpayers
1725
01:32:29,344 --> 01:32:32,480
and everybody else
a lot of trouble.
1726
01:32:34,683 --> 01:32:36,819
The aim of the sheriff
and the probation department
1727
01:32:36,852 --> 01:32:39,521
has been to rehabilitate
Mr. Kesey,
1728
01:32:39,554 --> 01:32:41,690
to get him back into writing,
1729
01:32:41,724 --> 01:32:46,161
back into the career where he
seems to have the most talent.
1730
01:32:46,194 --> 01:32:50,532
* Walk me out
in the morning dew *
1731
01:32:50,565 --> 01:32:52,334
* My honey
1732
01:32:52,367 --> 01:32:54,336
In six months,
your kids grow a lot.
1733
01:32:54,369 --> 01:32:56,471
That's what they take away from
you in jail.
1734
01:32:56,504 --> 01:32:59,407
It's a drag,
I don't wanna ever go to jail.
1735
01:32:59,441 --> 01:33:02,911
* You didn't
hear no baby *
1736
01:33:02,945 --> 01:33:04,613
* Cry today *
1737
01:33:16,391 --> 01:33:18,560
One flew out of
a cuckoo's nest today,
1738
01:33:18,593 --> 01:33:21,429
that is if you consider jail
a cuckoo's nest.
1739
01:33:21,463 --> 01:33:24,366
Federal charges were
dropped and the last obstacle,
1740
01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:29,705
San Francisco bail, was set at
$3,500 plus penalties.
1741
01:33:29,738 --> 01:33:33,441
Kesey will be back in court
November 9th, hopefully.
1742
01:33:33,475 --> 01:33:35,678
In the meantime,
he will tell the teenage world
1743
01:33:35,711 --> 01:33:37,680
of the evils of drugs
1744
01:33:37,713 --> 01:33:40,082
and probably describe
a long trip.
1745
01:33:40,115 --> 01:33:43,518
Are you repudiating LSD and
other hallucinatory drugs ?
1746
01:33:43,551 --> 01:33:45,253
There's enough LSD around now
1747
01:33:45,287 --> 01:33:47,756
and enough
young kids around
1748
01:33:47,790 --> 01:33:50,192
who are able to
manufacture this,
1749
01:33:50,225 --> 01:33:53,228
that it's impossible
1750
01:33:53,261 --> 01:33:54,863
for the police to do
anything about it.
1751
01:33:54,897 --> 01:33:58,200
You think this new law is
turning them off then ?
1752
01:33:58,233 --> 01:34:00,769
I don't know that
you can turn them off
1753
01:34:00,803 --> 01:34:02,905
but I think you may be able to
move them on.
1754
01:34:02,938 --> 01:34:04,539
Do you consider yourself
1755
01:34:04,572 --> 01:34:07,609
becoming one of us squares
perhaps ?
1756
01:34:07,642 --> 01:34:09,344
God, I hope not.
1757
01:34:11,646 --> 01:34:15,751
The commencement exercises
for LSD U
1758
01:34:15,784 --> 01:34:17,753
will be held
on Monday night,
1759
01:34:17,786 --> 01:34:18,887
that's Halloween.
1760
01:34:18,921 --> 01:34:20,555
And, of course,
the man who is going to be
1761
01:34:20,588 --> 01:34:23,591
passing out the diplomas
is Ken Kesey.
1762
01:34:23,625 --> 01:34:27,930
Ken, what's the theme of
this commencement exercise ?
1763
01:34:27,963 --> 01:34:30,498
Trip or treat.
1764
01:34:30,532 --> 01:34:34,136
When I first proposed
the idea to Jerry Garcia,
1765
01:34:34,169 --> 01:34:35,437
the leader of
the Grateful Dead,
1766
01:34:35,470 --> 01:34:38,006
who's playing up there now,
1767
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,509
that it's time to graduate
from acid,
1768
01:34:41,543 --> 01:34:43,045
he says, "Hallelujah."
1769
01:34:50,953 --> 01:34:52,955
It was a test and there were
people that passed
1770
01:34:52,988 --> 01:34:55,390
and were people
that didn't pass.
1771
01:34:58,026 --> 01:35:00,095
We gave out diplomas
for people
1772
01:35:00,128 --> 01:35:03,431
that we felt
like really had passed it.
1773
01:35:03,465 --> 01:35:05,834
Are you a member of the
graduating class tonight ?
1774
01:35:05,868 --> 01:35:09,037
No, I flunked
the acid test.
1775
01:35:09,071 --> 01:35:11,974
How do you go about
doing that ?
1776
01:35:12,007 --> 01:35:16,111
Well, the stipulations that
Ken put up, I didn't pass.
1777
01:35:16,144 --> 01:35:18,713
We went wild for awhile.
1778
01:35:18,747 --> 01:35:23,852
We went wild because we'd been
caged up for 50,000 years.
1779
01:35:23,886 --> 01:35:25,187
We went wild and found out
1780
01:35:25,220 --> 01:35:27,555
there was more than we had been
led to believe.
1781
01:35:27,589 --> 01:35:30,993
And now, unless we start
finding the little piece of it
1782
01:35:31,026 --> 01:35:33,195
that we call the reins,
1783
01:35:33,228 --> 01:35:34,662
it's gonna
get away from us.
1784
01:35:34,696 --> 01:35:37,632
This doesn't necessarily mean
you stop taking acid,
1785
01:35:37,665 --> 01:35:40,235
but you stop
repeating the trips.
1786
01:35:40,268 --> 01:35:45,007
Every head knows that
he takes a drug
1787
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,742
to eventually stop taking it,
1788
01:35:47,776 --> 01:35:52,380
and I think that it's time for
a great number of them to stop.
1789
01:35:54,549 --> 01:35:58,586
I believe that drugs have now
become a fashion.
1790
01:36:01,689 --> 01:36:04,159
The Haight scene
has changed all right.
1791
01:36:04,192 --> 01:36:07,429
The flower not only has wilted,
it's dead.
1792
01:36:07,462 --> 01:36:10,365
* Going to leave
1793
01:36:10,398 --> 01:36:14,502
* This brokedown palace
1794
01:36:14,536 --> 01:36:19,207
* On my hands
and my knees *
1795
01:36:19,241 --> 01:36:23,445
* I will roll, roll, roll
1796
01:36:23,478 --> 01:36:26,748
The hippies is often
a strange world
1797
01:36:26,781 --> 01:36:28,016
in which
they live in.
1798
01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:29,617
They take many trips.
1799
01:36:32,554 --> 01:36:37,993
And the trip of a hippie
is generally an unusual one.
1800
01:36:39,828 --> 01:36:45,433
And marijuana, of course,
with LSD, is being used.
1801
01:36:52,507 --> 01:36:57,045
All of these drugs were being
fed into the culture by the CIA.
1802
01:36:57,079 --> 01:36:58,981
The LSD was not
the whole story.
1803
01:36:59,014 --> 01:37:01,116
I didn't believe it for a long
time while Allen Ginsberg says,
1804
01:37:01,149 --> 01:37:02,918
"You know who was paying
for that was the CIA."
1805
01:37:02,951 --> 01:37:05,453
I said, "Oh no, Allen,
you're just paranoid."
1806
01:37:05,487 --> 01:37:07,489
But he finally got all
the records and it did turn out
1807
01:37:07,522 --> 01:37:10,658
the CIA was doing this and it
wasn't being done
1808
01:37:10,692 --> 01:37:12,794
to try to
cure insane people,
1809
01:37:12,827 --> 01:37:14,429
which is what we thought.
1810
01:37:14,462 --> 01:37:16,498
It was being
done to weaken people
1811
01:37:16,531 --> 01:37:19,634
and to be able to put them under
the control of interrogators.
1812
01:37:23,138 --> 01:37:25,573
I was so naive.
1813
01:37:25,607 --> 01:37:28,643
I believed these doctors knew
what they were doing.
1814
01:37:28,676 --> 01:37:31,346
You know, this is
the American government.
1815
01:37:31,379 --> 01:37:33,548
How could they make
a mistake ?
1816
01:37:37,485 --> 01:37:39,087
* Fare you well
1817
01:37:39,121 --> 01:37:40,822
* Fare you well
1818
01:37:40,855 --> 01:37:44,927
* I love you more
than words can tell *
1819
01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,494
* Listen to the river
1820
01:37:46,528 --> 01:37:50,832
* Sing sweet songs
to rock my soul *
1821
01:37:51,799 --> 01:37:55,337
* Doo-doo-doo
1822
01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:58,140
* Doo-doo-doo-doo *
1823
01:37:58,173 --> 01:38:00,275
We finally got out of jail.
1824
01:38:00,308 --> 01:38:02,978
We were perfectly
willing to leave
1825
01:38:03,011 --> 01:38:04,479
that whole area down there,
1826
01:38:04,512 --> 01:38:09,384
which offered excitement
but no stability.
1827
01:38:23,498 --> 01:38:25,033
It's funny,
in your Prankster days,
1828
01:38:25,067 --> 01:38:27,369
you were seen as being
part of a group
1829
01:38:27,402 --> 01:38:30,638
that had made such
a break with the past,
1830
01:38:30,672 --> 01:38:33,008
and yet here you are living
on a family farm,
1831
01:38:33,041 --> 01:38:34,742
you're, I believe,
still married to the woman
1832
01:38:34,776 --> 01:38:38,246
who you've been married to
since, what is it, 1956 ?
1833
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:39,347
Long time, yeah.
1834
01:38:39,381 --> 01:38:40,748
Yeah, so, I mean,
there's been this
1835
01:38:40,782 --> 01:38:42,550
incredible continuity in
your life
1836
01:38:42,584 --> 01:38:44,419
between past
and present in a lot of ways.
1837
01:38:44,452 --> 01:38:46,021
Yeah.
1838
01:38:47,555 --> 01:38:49,491
My wife and I
met in junior high
1839
01:38:49,524 --> 01:38:54,396
and all of our families
are still very close.
1840
01:38:54,429 --> 01:38:57,565
This schism between
this one consciousness
1841
01:38:57,599 --> 01:38:58,866
and this consciousness,
1842
01:38:58,900 --> 01:39:03,171
I believe, has been
arbitrarily forced on us.
1843
01:39:03,205 --> 01:39:06,041
I've always been a fairly
reliable,
1844
01:39:06,074 --> 01:39:08,510
"straight up the middle
of the road" citizen
1845
01:39:08,543 --> 01:39:10,378
that just happens
to be an acidhead.
1846
01:39:14,816 --> 01:39:16,418
Ken's a born leader.
1847
01:39:16,451 --> 01:39:19,354
I mean, he's got just charisma
coming out of his ears.
1848
01:39:19,387 --> 01:39:22,190
Cassady was not
that kind of person.
1849
01:39:22,224 --> 01:39:23,458
He really wasn't.
1850
01:39:23,491 --> 01:39:25,393
Once he didn't
have the bus to drive,
1851
01:39:25,427 --> 01:39:27,729
or a function, he was--
1852
01:39:27,762 --> 01:39:30,698
he was really like
a liability.
1853
01:39:30,732 --> 01:39:33,401
You've heard the stories
about him and Anne Murphy.
1854
01:39:33,435 --> 01:39:34,702
Oh, don't you know this ?
1855
01:39:34,736 --> 01:39:36,038
Oh, God.
1856
01:39:36,071 --> 01:39:39,374
They were on a heavy,
sado-masochist trip.
1857
01:39:39,407 --> 01:39:42,744
I'm really old-fashioned when
it comes to stuff like that.
1858
01:39:42,777 --> 01:39:44,412
I don't think
a relationship is
1859
01:39:44,446 --> 01:39:47,815
worth jack shit if you're not
making things good and happy.
1860
01:39:47,849 --> 01:39:50,418
Compare this with Ken and Faye.
1861
01:39:50,452 --> 01:39:52,154
They've been good
for each other.
1862
01:39:52,187 --> 01:39:54,656
See, they--
they take care of each other.
1863
01:39:54,689 --> 01:39:56,424
They don't let each other
just go downhill
1864
01:39:56,458 --> 01:39:58,460
and get more
and more fucked up.
1865
01:39:58,493 --> 01:40:01,596
On the contrary, they take
good care of each other.
1866
01:40:03,598 --> 01:40:06,468
Were you surprised to learn
that Cassady was found dead
1867
01:40:06,501 --> 01:40:08,670
beside the railroad tracks
in Mexico ?
1868
01:40:08,703 --> 01:40:11,639
When he died, I felt
like that he'd accidentally
1869
01:40:11,673 --> 01:40:14,142
killed himself on purpose.
1870
01:40:14,176 --> 01:40:17,312
I can picture myself in his
shoes exactly
1871
01:40:17,345 --> 01:40:20,348
and there's
no place else to go, really.
1872
01:40:20,382 --> 01:40:22,117
Might as well meet
the angels.
1873
01:40:43,338 --> 01:40:45,540
At what point
did you decide to give up
1874
01:40:45,573 --> 01:40:47,175
the kind of Pranksters life ?
1875
01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:48,876
The story that
I've heard is
1876
01:40:48,910 --> 01:40:50,445
the Pranksters
went to Woodstock,
1877
01:40:50,478 --> 01:40:52,180
you didn't want to go.
1878
01:40:52,214 --> 01:40:53,381
And when
they came back,
1879
01:40:53,415 --> 01:40:55,317
they came back to a sign
hung in your driveway
1880
01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:57,018
that just said, "No."
1881
01:40:57,051 --> 01:40:59,454
Well, there was 61 people when
they headed out to Woodstock
1882
01:40:59,487 --> 01:41:01,823
and after they were gone,
1883
01:41:01,856 --> 01:41:03,691
I went upstairs,
and we live in a barn--
1884
01:41:03,725 --> 01:41:07,129
at that time there was still
hay in the loft of the barn,
1885
01:41:07,162 --> 01:41:09,331
and I found one of
these little hippie warrens,
1886
01:41:09,364 --> 01:41:11,533
where they dug in with their
ratty old sleeping bags
1887
01:41:11,566 --> 01:41:13,335
and their copy
of Zap magazine
1888
01:41:13,368 --> 01:41:16,971
and stuck right down in
the hay bale, was a candle
1889
01:41:17,004 --> 01:41:18,806
which had burned right down
to the hay
1890
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:19,907
before it'd gone off
1891
01:41:19,941 --> 01:41:21,209
and I thought,
"There's certain things that
1892
01:41:21,243 --> 01:41:23,245
take precedent over
enlightenment."
1893
01:41:23,278 --> 01:41:25,079
And that's when you sent
everybody home basically.
1894
01:41:25,113 --> 01:41:26,548
Yeah.
1895
01:41:30,385 --> 01:41:31,886
How much writing
have you been doing
1896
01:41:31,919 --> 01:41:33,054
over the past few years ?
1897
01:41:33,087 --> 01:41:34,856
Oh, quite a lot,
I write all the time.
1898
01:41:34,889 --> 01:41:36,591
I just don't publish
that much.
1899
01:41:38,260 --> 01:41:39,561
I've got four kids
1900
01:41:39,594 --> 01:41:41,329
and there's this-- there's
a lot of the same energy
1901
01:41:41,363 --> 01:41:42,730
that goes into
raising a family
1902
01:41:42,764 --> 01:41:45,733
that goes into putting a book
together like "Notion."
1903
01:41:50,538 --> 01:41:52,607
Which, once you get
a lot of stuff in the air,
1904
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,776
you can't stop because
you'll forget it,
1905
01:41:54,809 --> 01:41:58,346
and that kind of consciousness,
1906
01:41:58,380 --> 01:42:02,450
I have not had and I think
it's because...
1907
01:42:02,484 --> 01:42:03,885
you know,
I'm running a big farm.
1908
01:42:03,918 --> 01:42:05,720
That's what occupies my mind.
1909
01:42:05,753 --> 01:42:08,055
Either that
or I fried my marbles,
1910
01:42:08,089 --> 01:42:09,757
just like everybody thinks.
1911
01:42:18,433 --> 01:42:20,602
When people ask me
what I think my best work is,
1912
01:42:20,635 --> 01:42:22,570
I always say the bus.
1913
01:42:22,604 --> 01:42:24,239
Novels are
a dime a dozen,
1914
01:42:24,272 --> 01:42:27,309
but there's only one bus
Further.
1915
01:42:31,613 --> 01:42:33,915
What it meant
1916
01:42:33,948 --> 01:42:36,418
was that everybody
had to consider a new way
1917
01:42:36,451 --> 01:42:37,985
for things to be.
1918
01:42:40,588 --> 01:42:42,156
Don't you know
that we're all one ?
1919
01:42:45,593 --> 01:42:46,961
The deeper I got into it,
1920
01:42:46,994 --> 01:42:49,964
the more I realized it was
a different force working.
1921
01:42:52,534 --> 01:42:56,170
The only big mistake
we ever made, as a force,
1922
01:42:56,204 --> 01:42:59,974
was thinking for awhile that
we were going to win.
1923
01:43:00,007 --> 01:43:02,410
We developed
vested interests
1924
01:43:02,444 --> 01:43:04,145
in the victory to come.
1925
01:43:04,178 --> 01:43:06,981
We begin to parcel off
into little groups,
1926
01:43:07,014 --> 01:43:08,683
whether it's feminism,
1927
01:43:08,716 --> 01:43:11,519
or politics,
for money, religion,
1928
01:43:11,553 --> 01:43:14,356
whatever it is everybody is
jumping up and down
1929
01:43:14,389 --> 01:43:15,923
in front of it
1930
01:43:15,957 --> 01:43:18,560
until nobody
can see it clear anymore.
1931
01:43:21,396 --> 01:43:23,765
Now, if we'd never
made that mistake,
1932
01:43:23,798 --> 01:43:25,300
we'd been way ahead,
1933
01:43:25,333 --> 01:43:27,402
and this is kind of why I'm
retiring from the ranks.
1934
01:43:33,841 --> 01:43:35,777
There's something about what
we're doing is that
1935
01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:39,381
we're meant to lose, every time.
1936
01:43:39,414 --> 01:43:41,883
You make these forays,
you write these books
1937
01:43:41,916 --> 01:43:43,485
and you perform this music,
1938
01:43:43,518 --> 01:43:46,120
but the big juggernaut of
civilization continues
1939
01:43:46,153 --> 01:43:48,022
and you get
kind of brushed to the side.
1940
01:43:48,055 --> 01:43:49,357
But I think all through history
1941
01:43:49,391 --> 01:43:53,295
there's been these kind of
divine losers
1942
01:43:53,328 --> 01:43:56,498
that just take
a deep breath and go ahead,
1943
01:43:56,531 --> 01:43:59,066
knowing that society's not
going to understand it,
1944
01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:01,836
not even caring, 'cause
they're having a good time.
1945
01:44:09,877 --> 01:44:13,748
* Sometimes the lights
all shinin' on me *
1946
01:44:17,251 --> 01:44:21,456
* Other times
I can barely see *
1947
01:44:24,692 --> 01:44:29,397
* Lately it occurs to me
1948
01:44:30,798 --> 01:44:35,470
* What a long
strange trip it's been *
1949
01:44:42,410 --> 01:44:43,611
* Truckin'
1950
01:44:43,645 --> 01:44:45,680
* Got my chips
cashed in *
1951
01:44:45,713 --> 01:44:47,449
* Keep truckin'
1952
01:44:47,482 --> 01:44:49,917
* Like the doo-dah man
1953
01:44:49,951 --> 01:44:51,419
* Together
1954
01:44:51,453 --> 01:44:54,021
* More or less
in line *
1955
01:44:54,055 --> 01:44:58,560
* Just keep truckin' on
1956
01:45:05,667 --> 01:45:09,571
* Arrows of neon and flashing
marquees out on Main Street *
1957
01:45:09,604 --> 01:45:13,541
* Chicago New York Detroit and
it's all on the same street *
1958
01:45:13,575 --> 01:45:17,445
* Your typical city
involved in a typical daydream *
1959
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:19,647
* Hang it up and see what
tomorrow brings *
1960
01:45:21,148 --> 01:45:22,450
* Dallas
1961
01:45:22,484 --> 01:45:24,819
* Got a soft machine
1962
01:45:24,852 --> 01:45:26,488
* Houston
1963
01:45:26,521 --> 01:45:28,556
* Too close
to New Orleans *
1964
01:45:28,590 --> 01:45:30,257
* New York's
1965
01:45:30,291 --> 01:45:32,394
* Got the ways
and means *
1966
01:45:32,427 --> 01:45:36,498
* That just
won't let you be *
1967
01:45:44,171 --> 01:45:45,607
* Most of the cats
that you meet on the streets *
1968
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,942
* Speak of true love
1969
01:45:47,975 --> 01:45:51,646
* Most of the time they're
sittin' and cryin' at home *
1970
01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:55,450
* One of these days they know
they gotta get going *
1971
01:45:55,483 --> 01:45:57,952
* Out of the door and down
on the street all alone *
1972
01:45:59,687 --> 01:46:01,122
* Truckin'
1973
01:46:01,155 --> 01:46:03,425
* Like the doo-dah man
1974
01:46:03,458 --> 01:46:05,126
* Once told me
1975
01:46:05,159 --> 01:46:07,194
* You've got to play
your hand... **
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