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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:35,469 --> 00:00:37,371 And there was just... 4 00:00:39,307 --> 00:00:42,009 ... of electrical impulses. 5 00:00:42,042 --> 00:00:44,044 It was all slightly unbelievable. 6 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,615 Can somebody give me a mic ? 7 00:00:47,648 --> 00:00:50,384 And would somebody please turn off the fucking reverb ? 8 00:00:51,919 --> 00:00:53,121 Thank you. 9 00:00:54,522 --> 00:00:55,723 Take one. 10 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,629 When did the '60s begin ? 11 00:01:01,662 --> 00:01:03,564 That might seem obvious. 12 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:09,470 Everyone remembers them this way... 13 00:01:09,503 --> 00:01:12,340 but really the early '60s looked like this: 14 00:01:12,373 --> 00:01:15,543 a black-and-white picket-fence world still stuck in the '50s. 15 00:01:17,945 --> 00:01:21,515 But in 1964, this man, Ken Kesey, 16 00:01:21,549 --> 00:01:24,252 took an LSD-fueled bus trip across the country 17 00:01:24,285 --> 00:01:26,554 that changed everything. 18 00:01:26,587 --> 00:01:31,392 Kesey lit the fuse for the explosion of the '60s. 19 00:01:31,425 --> 00:01:33,661 Who was Ken Kesey ? 20 00:01:33,694 --> 00:01:36,497 He looks innocent enough, doesn't he ? 21 00:01:36,530 --> 00:01:41,235 Not like the kind of guy to take massive amounts of LSD. 22 00:01:41,269 --> 00:01:42,736 While in college, Kesey married 23 00:01:42,770 --> 00:01:44,638 his junior high school sweetheart, Faye. 24 00:01:47,608 --> 00:01:49,877 As a college athlete, Kesey showed promise both 25 00:01:49,910 --> 00:01:53,614 as a football player and a wrestler. 26 00:01:53,647 --> 00:01:57,618 Kesey also liked performing as an actor and a ventriloquist. 27 00:01:57,651 --> 00:01:59,220 He loved the magic trick 28 00:01:59,253 --> 00:02:02,290 of speaking through other people. 29 00:02:02,323 --> 00:02:05,459 Ken, when did you decide to become a writer ? 30 00:02:05,493 --> 00:02:07,761 I never said I wanted to be a writer. 31 00:02:07,795 --> 00:02:09,263 I'm a magician. 32 00:02:09,297 --> 00:02:11,665 Writing is just one of the tricks that I do. 33 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:15,603 And quite a trick it was. 34 00:02:15,636 --> 00:02:18,439 By 1964, at the age of 29, 35 00:02:18,472 --> 00:02:21,742 Kesey was one of America's greatest writers. 36 00:02:21,775 --> 00:02:23,377 His first two published novels were 37 00:02:23,411 --> 00:02:25,279 "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" 38 00:02:25,313 --> 00:02:28,449 and "Sometimes a Great Notion." 39 00:02:28,482 --> 00:02:30,484 Yet, at the height of his success, 40 00:02:30,518 --> 00:02:33,987 Ken traded his typewriter for a movie camera. 41 00:02:34,021 --> 00:02:36,890 If Shakespeare were writing today, 42 00:02:36,924 --> 00:02:40,428 I don't think he would use a quill pen. 43 00:02:40,461 --> 00:02:43,096 So I started going out and taping, 44 00:02:43,130 --> 00:02:45,132 with tape recorders, and filming, 45 00:02:45,165 --> 00:02:47,335 to see if... 46 00:02:47,368 --> 00:02:49,837 people talked like they do in novels, and they don't. 47 00:02:51,272 --> 00:02:54,908 With a group of friends, Kesey set out to make a road movie. 48 00:02:54,942 --> 00:02:56,777 Their trip would become a legend, 49 00:02:56,810 --> 00:02:59,847 but few ever saw the film. 50 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,351 There were technical problems. 51 00:03:03,384 --> 00:03:05,319 Their voices are on audiotape 52 00:03:05,353 --> 00:03:08,489 but almost never in sync with the picture. 53 00:03:08,522 --> 00:03:10,758 Again the transmission of the '27 Buick 54 00:03:10,791 --> 00:03:14,094 into second gear around the corner at 34th and Dearborn-- 55 00:03:14,127 --> 00:03:15,195 or was it Clark ? 56 00:03:15,229 --> 00:03:17,164 Somewhere. 57 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:19,267 Here's a scene with Neal Cassady, 58 00:03:19,300 --> 00:03:21,435 the famous speed-taking, real-life inspiration 59 00:03:21,469 --> 00:03:24,505 for Jack Kerouac's famous novel "On the Road." 60 00:03:24,538 --> 00:03:26,474 Bet he-- Uh-oh, say... 61 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:31,712 For 40 years, Kesey and his friends edited the film, 62 00:03:31,745 --> 00:03:33,681 never getting what they wanted. 63 00:03:33,714 --> 00:03:37,551 Then it was boxed away, forgotten, collecting dust. 64 00:03:37,585 --> 00:03:40,153 Now we're going back to the vaults, 65 00:03:40,187 --> 00:03:42,490 using the rare film and audio interviews 66 00:03:42,523 --> 00:03:46,694 of Ken and his friends to bring the story back to life. 67 00:03:46,727 --> 00:03:49,162 Let's go, trickery ! 68 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:02,643 Unnecessarily, Mr. Cassady proceeded north. 69 00:04:02,676 --> 00:04:03,544 Ha-ha ! 70 00:04:17,925 --> 00:04:19,360 * Yeah 71 00:04:41,048 --> 00:04:42,282 * Yeah * 72 00:05:27,361 --> 00:05:30,330 Car wreck, children, to the left-- wreck. 73 00:05:30,364 --> 00:05:32,533 It's a journey through life, you know. 74 00:05:35,135 --> 00:05:37,938 When did the idea for this trip first occur to you ? 75 00:05:37,971 --> 00:05:42,342 1963 came and everything changed. 76 00:05:42,376 --> 00:05:47,247 We'd gone back, me and George and Faye, to New York. 77 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:50,418 extends its welcome. 78 00:05:50,451 --> 00:05:53,120 The shops on the avenues. 79 00:05:53,153 --> 00:05:58,291 The new hotels, restaurants... the sidewalk cafes, 80 00:05:58,325 --> 00:06:01,862 the hit shows, the tinsel of Broadway. 81 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:08,301 We had gone back to see the opening of 82 00:06:08,335 --> 00:06:10,804 "Cuckoo's Nest" on Broadway, 83 00:06:10,838 --> 00:06:13,006 with Kirk Douglas playing McMurphy, 84 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:14,508 and he was terrific. 85 00:06:17,210 --> 00:06:20,013 daytime diversionsrt of our 86 00:06:20,047 --> 00:06:21,782 as we were cruising around the city, 87 00:06:21,815 --> 00:06:25,519 we took a drive out to Queens, where the construction 88 00:06:25,553 --> 00:06:28,388 was going on for the World's Fair. 89 00:06:29,523 --> 00:06:32,526 is to be erected, site 90 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,495 they're doing it at the moment, 91 00:06:34,528 --> 00:06:38,365 the symbol of the theme of the New York World's Fair. 92 00:06:38,398 --> 00:06:39,567 The Unisphere ! 93 00:06:42,369 --> 00:06:45,473 And by dialing 1964, 94 00:06:45,506 --> 00:06:49,777 I launch the final phase of this great effort. 95 00:06:57,417 --> 00:06:59,487 We looked at it and said, "Boy, this is spectacular. 96 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,422 We're gonna want to come see this." 97 00:07:02,456 --> 00:07:04,658 We vowed next year we'd go back to New York 98 00:07:04,692 --> 00:07:06,927 to the World's Fair. 99 00:07:09,563 --> 00:07:11,832 On the way back, I was driving across country 100 00:07:11,865 --> 00:07:13,400 in a big old nice station wagon 101 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:17,404 with a couple of my buddies, nibbling on cactus. 102 00:07:17,437 --> 00:07:19,540 Here in the ABC newsroom in New York, 103 00:07:19,573 --> 00:07:21,274 we first received a flash of-- 104 00:07:21,308 --> 00:07:24,344 As we were driving along, Kennedy began to be killed. 105 00:07:24,377 --> 00:07:27,347 President Kennedy's motorcade 106 00:07:27,380 --> 00:07:29,517 in Downtown Dallas. 107 00:07:29,550 --> 00:07:31,418 The first reports say that President Kennedy 108 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:35,222 has been seriously wounded by this shooting. 109 00:07:35,255 --> 00:07:39,693 and waiting for some wordt 110 00:07:39,727 --> 00:07:41,729 on the condition of the president. 111 00:07:41,762 --> 00:07:44,565 officially confirmed. is 112 00:07:50,638 --> 00:07:52,405 President Kennedy and Governor John Connally 113 00:07:52,439 --> 00:07:54,374 have been cut down by assassin's bullets 114 00:07:54,407 --> 00:07:55,643 in Downtown Dallas. 115 00:07:58,579 --> 00:08:01,148 Everywhere you went, you looked in people's eyes, 116 00:08:01,181 --> 00:08:04,718 and they all felt the same thing. 117 00:08:04,752 --> 00:08:06,754 It wasn't just sadness, 118 00:08:06,787 --> 00:08:09,456 it was a loss of an innocence, 119 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:12,960 the loss of the idea that always the good is going to prevail. 120 00:08:12,993 --> 00:08:14,461 The tragedy of this day 121 00:08:14,494 --> 00:08:18,766 is beyond any instant comprehension. 122 00:08:18,799 --> 00:08:22,169 There's no way to even nearly depict the pain 123 00:08:22,202 --> 00:08:25,238 and the feeling of crisis. 124 00:08:25,272 --> 00:08:29,409 The thing that all of us sort of feel when it's real dark. 125 00:08:29,442 --> 00:08:32,312 an ordinary Saturday. 126 00:08:32,345 --> 00:08:33,714 Things have changed. 127 00:08:35,448 --> 00:08:38,952 This world that I was presenting with these words, 128 00:08:38,986 --> 00:08:41,789 I began to suspect might not have a whole lot to do 129 00:08:41,822 --> 00:08:43,490 with the world of this. 130 00:08:45,626 --> 00:08:48,696 So we decided to go travel across the country. 131 00:08:48,729 --> 00:08:50,864 I love to drive across the United States. 132 00:08:50,898 --> 00:08:54,001 Go to the World's Fair, and come back across, 133 00:08:54,034 --> 00:08:56,536 just to experience the... 134 00:08:56,570 --> 00:09:00,808 the American landscape and "heartscape." 135 00:09:00,841 --> 00:09:04,377 We were gonna take the same station wagon we came back in, 136 00:09:04,411 --> 00:09:06,847 and pretty soon Babbs was home and he wanted to go. 137 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:08,515 for five years,rine Corps 138 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:10,383 flew helicopters in Vietnam, 139 00:09:10,417 --> 00:09:13,386 and came out in May of '64, 140 00:09:13,420 --> 00:09:15,388 got out of the Marine Corps-- I had enough of that. 141 00:09:18,759 --> 00:09:20,227 Babbs was stalking around, 142 00:09:20,260 --> 00:09:22,362 this is just after he got out of the Marines. 143 00:09:22,395 --> 00:09:24,164 He began to assign names to them. 144 00:09:24,197 --> 00:09:26,634 He became the Intrepid Traveler 145 00:09:26,667 --> 00:09:29,369 and these were his Merry Band of Pranksters. 146 00:09:29,402 --> 00:09:31,972 Swashbuckler became my nickname. 147 00:09:32,005 --> 00:09:34,307 Gretch had come down from Oregon, we'd met her. 148 00:09:34,341 --> 00:09:37,144 at the University of Oregon. 149 00:09:37,177 --> 00:09:38,846 My intention was to get a ride. 150 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:40,413 I was gonna work in New York, 151 00:09:40,447 --> 00:09:44,551 swimming at the World's Fair in water ballet, 152 00:09:44,584 --> 00:09:47,020 'cause that's something I knew how to do-- 153 00:09:47,054 --> 00:09:48,521 The Rockettes in water. 154 00:09:50,190 --> 00:09:52,259 Hagen was there. 155 00:09:52,292 --> 00:09:56,830 He's an old friend from Oregon, fraternity brother. 156 00:09:56,864 --> 00:09:59,332 He had a camera. 157 00:09:59,366 --> 00:10:02,202 Sandy... he was a phenomenon. 158 00:10:02,235 --> 00:10:03,370 He was in the nuthouse. 159 00:10:03,403 --> 00:10:05,673 He was like the id 160 00:10:05,706 --> 00:10:07,540 stripped of everything else. 161 00:10:07,574 --> 00:10:09,442 He was just there. 162 00:10:09,476 --> 00:10:11,679 At his worst, he was crazy, 163 00:10:11,712 --> 00:10:14,114 and at his best, he was a genius. 164 00:10:16,049 --> 00:10:21,621 Jane Burton was a professor in philosophy from Stanford. 165 00:10:21,655 --> 00:10:24,725 She was pregnant and she was hungry all the time, 166 00:10:24,758 --> 00:10:27,928 so she says, "Well, I'm generally famished." 167 00:10:27,961 --> 00:10:31,231 And so she became known as Generally Famished. 168 00:10:31,264 --> 00:10:32,933 It got to be kind of a party. 169 00:10:32,966 --> 00:10:34,467 It's hard to describe it, 170 00:10:34,501 --> 00:10:37,905 just a-- a bunch of lunatics running around acting idiotic 171 00:10:37,938 --> 00:10:41,408 trying to get to the East Coast somehow. 172 00:10:41,441 --> 00:10:44,377 I met Ken on Perry Lane. 173 00:10:44,411 --> 00:10:49,282 Chloe was the Gertrude Stein of our scene. 174 00:10:49,316 --> 00:10:52,886 pretty insane actually. 175 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,556 I really dug everybody for doing it. 176 00:10:56,589 --> 00:10:58,558 Zonker was just there. 177 00:10:58,591 --> 00:10:59,993 He wasn't even planning-- 178 00:11:00,027 --> 00:11:01,328 we weren't planning to take him-- we barely knew him. 179 00:11:01,361 --> 00:11:02,495 Every time something would happen, 180 00:11:02,529 --> 00:11:05,565 he'd fall asleep, and he had this snore... 181 00:11:07,500 --> 00:11:08,969 Okay, here's Stark Naked. 182 00:11:09,002 --> 00:11:11,504 Now, I'm attracted to her, there's no question about it, 183 00:11:11,538 --> 00:11:14,742 but she's just so strange. 184 00:11:14,775 --> 00:11:17,444 Ken's house for a weekendto 185 00:11:17,477 --> 00:11:19,579 and that's how I met everybody. 186 00:11:19,612 --> 00:11:21,581 There was just a great deal of general joviality 187 00:11:21,614 --> 00:11:23,583 and talking and laughing and dancing, 188 00:11:23,616 --> 00:11:28,288 and even then it was like a troupe of minstrels and mimes. 189 00:11:28,321 --> 00:11:30,991 Their presence was very beautiful. 190 00:11:31,024 --> 00:11:34,928 wild crazies wasn't true. 191 00:11:34,962 --> 00:11:38,098 We weren't long-haired and we weren't irresponsible. 192 00:11:38,131 --> 00:11:39,632 There was an American sense-- 193 00:11:39,666 --> 00:11:42,435 that's why we always wore red, white and blue 194 00:11:42,469 --> 00:11:43,804 and flew the flag, 195 00:11:43,837 --> 00:11:45,672 it was to try to cool the people out and say, 196 00:11:45,705 --> 00:11:47,941 "Hey, look, this may look strange to you, 197 00:11:47,975 --> 00:11:49,542 "but get used to it. 198 00:11:49,576 --> 00:11:52,780 It's American, and without it we're a dead nation." 199 00:11:52,813 --> 00:11:55,382 there were so many of us, 200 00:11:55,415 --> 00:11:56,817 friends and everything, 201 00:11:56,850 --> 00:11:58,886 too many of us to go in one or two cars, 202 00:11:58,919 --> 00:12:01,354 we decided we'd buy a bus and we'd all travel together. 203 00:12:01,388 --> 00:12:05,692 * Put on your red dress baby 204 00:12:05,725 --> 00:12:09,696 * 'Cause we going out tonight * 205 00:12:09,729 --> 00:12:14,567 We took a 1939 International Harvester's school bus. 206 00:12:16,369 --> 00:12:18,171 I got out there with a blindfold. 207 00:12:18,205 --> 00:12:20,573 It was your left brain working 208 00:12:20,607 --> 00:12:23,410 before it even knew it was the left brain. 209 00:12:23,443 --> 00:12:26,679 * I'm pretty sure now baby 210 00:12:26,713 --> 00:12:28,148 * 'Cause you know you know * 211 00:12:28,181 --> 00:12:29,783 * You're gonna knock 'em dead * 212 00:12:31,618 --> 00:12:33,486 painter among us. 213 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,088 * Yeah 214 00:12:35,122 --> 00:12:36,756 appeal to me at all, 215 00:12:36,790 --> 00:12:39,392 because I thought it looked really good the way it was, 216 00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:41,394 orange with black stripes. 217 00:12:41,428 --> 00:12:43,730 Once it was obvious that it was gonna happen, 218 00:12:43,763 --> 00:12:45,098 I just went ahead. 219 00:12:45,132 --> 00:12:46,533 The challenge was to mix it up there 220 00:12:46,566 --> 00:12:50,070 so it would be interesting to look at. 221 00:12:50,103 --> 00:12:52,772 Somebody just took an old broom up on the top 222 00:12:52,806 --> 00:12:54,274 and spilled some paint around 223 00:12:54,307 --> 00:12:57,777 and, you know, people walked around with their bare feet 224 00:12:57,811 --> 00:13:00,981 on the bus, leaving footprints of paint. 225 00:13:02,749 --> 00:13:04,451 First it was black and white, 226 00:13:04,484 --> 00:13:06,553 then a million different psychedelic colors, 227 00:13:06,586 --> 00:13:08,521 and then it would be painted over. 228 00:13:08,555 --> 00:13:11,591 I think they must've painted it over five or ten times. 229 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:16,763 if we're gonna do this bus trip, 230 00:13:16,796 --> 00:13:19,566 let's film it." 231 00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:22,870 We bought real color film, 16 millimeter, 232 00:13:22,903 --> 00:13:27,374 and we'd gotten several real 16-millimeter cameras 233 00:13:27,407 --> 00:13:30,777 and we decided we're gonna make a film. 234 00:13:30,810 --> 00:13:32,712 So what kind of film were you making ? 235 00:13:32,745 --> 00:13:34,948 A feature like "Gone with the Wind" ? 236 00:13:34,982 --> 00:13:36,749 Yeah. 237 00:13:36,783 --> 00:13:38,986 Did anyone on board know how to use the cameras ? 238 00:13:39,019 --> 00:13:42,155 None of us knew how to do anything that we were doing. 239 00:13:42,189 --> 00:13:45,392 * I'm pretty sure you're gonna knock 'em dead * 240 00:13:45,425 --> 00:13:47,127 I heard the bus was called "Further." 241 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,261 Right. 242 00:13:48,295 --> 00:13:50,397 What does "Further" mean ? 243 00:13:50,430 --> 00:13:52,765 Oh, I get that question a lot. 244 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:54,902 It always kind of disappoints me. 245 00:13:54,935 --> 00:13:57,137 What, that people ask you what further means ? Uh-huh. 246 00:13:57,170 --> 00:13:58,771 Well, I could look it up in the dictionary 247 00:13:58,805 --> 00:14:01,108 and tell you that it means farther along than this, but-- 248 00:14:01,141 --> 00:14:03,276 No, no, no, no. I'm pretty disappointed in myself. 249 00:14:03,310 --> 00:14:04,811 "Farther" is a distance. 250 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:06,746 Further is a bus. 251 00:14:06,779 --> 00:14:08,481 One is a philosophical concept, 252 00:14:08,515 --> 00:14:10,650 the other is a measurement. 253 00:14:15,355 --> 00:14:17,824 What do you think, Ken ? 254 00:14:17,857 --> 00:14:19,792 We needed to do some modifications. 255 00:14:19,826 --> 00:14:22,462 We were at a welding shop that was also a junkyard 256 00:14:22,495 --> 00:14:25,498 and we saw this big commercial clothes dryer 257 00:14:25,532 --> 00:14:27,000 and it looked like a tank turret, 258 00:14:27,034 --> 00:14:28,668 and we decided we wanted a turret on the top. 259 00:14:28,701 --> 00:14:30,470 So we had this welder guy 260 00:14:30,503 --> 00:14:33,306 cut a big hole on the top of the bus. 261 00:14:37,810 --> 00:14:39,479 I had a motorcycle that we took along, 262 00:14:39,512 --> 00:14:42,315 so we had the platform welded on the back of it 263 00:14:42,349 --> 00:14:45,318 that we could carry the motorcycle and a generator on. 264 00:14:45,352 --> 00:14:48,421 Chuck had donated a 5 kW gas generator. 265 00:14:52,659 --> 00:14:54,928 a road trip so appealing ? 266 00:14:56,396 --> 00:14:58,398 We weren't old enough to be beatniks, 267 00:14:58,431 --> 00:15:00,333 and we were a little too old to be hippies. 268 00:15:00,367 --> 00:15:02,735 But everybody I knew 269 00:15:02,769 --> 00:15:04,804 had read "On the Road," 270 00:15:04,837 --> 00:15:06,706 and it opened up the doors to us 271 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:09,209 just the same way drugs did. 272 00:15:09,242 --> 00:15:12,879 It gave us a new way to look at America, and it stirred us up. 273 00:15:14,047 --> 00:15:18,051 "So in America when the sun goes down 274 00:15:18,085 --> 00:15:19,886 "and I sit on the old broken down river pier 275 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:23,390 "watching the long, long skies over New Jersey 276 00:15:23,423 --> 00:15:26,193 "and sense all that raw land that rolls in one unbelievable 277 00:15:26,226 --> 00:15:28,895 "huge bulge over to the West Coast, 278 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,164 "and all that road going, 279 00:15:31,198 --> 00:15:32,599 "I think of Dean Moriarty, 280 00:15:32,632 --> 00:15:35,402 I think of Dean Moriarty." 281 00:15:38,371 --> 00:15:39,839 * Oh 282 00:15:39,872 --> 00:15:43,543 * I'm the type of guy who will never settle down * 283 00:15:43,576 --> 00:15:47,947 * Where pretty girls are well you know that I'm around... * 284 00:15:47,981 --> 00:15:50,783 A two-tone pink-and-purple Dodge 285 00:15:50,817 --> 00:15:52,852 riding low on tortured shocks, 286 00:15:52,885 --> 00:15:55,522 spurting smoke, races across the curb, 287 00:15:55,555 --> 00:15:58,225 over the bridge, and skids to the porch. 288 00:15:58,258 --> 00:15:59,626 Slams. 289 00:15:59,659 --> 00:16:03,730 And Kesey stands, hands on hips, watching the arrival. 290 00:16:03,763 --> 00:16:07,434 The car made a rapid approach, and he fit into this place. 291 00:16:07,467 --> 00:16:08,701 There was eight to five 292 00:16:08,735 --> 00:16:11,071 when you're getting through there. 293 00:16:11,104 --> 00:16:12,472 People were hollering, "Nobody could park there ! 294 00:16:12,505 --> 00:16:13,640 "You can't fit it through ! 295 00:16:13,673 --> 00:16:16,909 No, no, come on, Cassady, come on, man." 296 00:16:16,943 --> 00:16:18,745 * With my two fists of iron * 297 00:16:18,778 --> 00:16:21,081 * But I'm going nowhere 298 00:16:21,114 --> 00:16:25,485 * Oh yeah I'm the type of guy that likes to roam around * 299 00:16:25,518 --> 00:16:27,420 * I'm never in one place * 300 00:16:27,454 --> 00:16:29,589 * I roam from town to town 301 00:16:29,622 --> 00:16:31,258 Before the smoke had cleared, 302 00:16:31,291 --> 00:16:33,893 there was this guy with no shirt on talking a mile a minute. 303 00:16:33,926 --> 00:16:35,128 We all knew who he was. 304 00:16:35,162 --> 00:16:36,563 This was Dean Moriarty-- couldn't believe it-- 305 00:16:36,596 --> 00:16:37,797 our famous Dean Moriarty. 306 00:16:37,830 --> 00:16:39,466 * Yeah I'm a wanderer 307 00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:41,734 * Yeah a wanderer 308 00:16:41,768 --> 00:16:43,303 * I roam around, around... 309 00:16:43,336 --> 00:16:44,571 I'd read "On the Road," 310 00:16:44,604 --> 00:16:46,439 so I knew he was supposed to be Dean Moriarty, 311 00:16:46,473 --> 00:16:49,342 but I didn't like that character in the book too much, 312 00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:52,011 and I liked Neal better. 313 00:16:52,045 --> 00:16:55,815 All of a sudden, out pops this man, almost from nowhere. 314 00:16:55,848 --> 00:16:59,286 He reminded me more of an Irish leprechaun at first. 315 00:16:59,319 --> 00:17:01,754 When he opened his mouth, he said about 40 words, 316 00:17:01,788 --> 00:17:03,423 and all of a sudden, 317 00:17:03,456 --> 00:17:07,460 everything in the universe was, and is all right, 318 00:17:07,494 --> 00:17:10,630 and all beautiful and all funny and meaningful, 319 00:17:10,663 --> 00:17:12,199 all at the same time. 320 00:17:12,232 --> 00:17:16,136 * Yeah I'm the type of guy that likes to roam around * 321 00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:17,670 * I'm never in one place... 322 00:17:17,704 --> 00:17:19,939 For me, I'm watching it all and thinking, 323 00:17:19,972 --> 00:17:23,110 "Wow, he kind of looks like my dad, 324 00:17:23,143 --> 00:17:25,044 and my dad is gonna drive the bus !" 325 00:17:27,247 --> 00:17:28,481 * ... Drive around the world * 326 00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:30,283 * 'Cause I'm a wanderer 327 00:17:30,317 --> 00:17:32,185 * Yeah a wanderer * 328 00:17:32,219 --> 00:17:34,121 He came along kind of as a father figure. 329 00:17:34,154 --> 00:17:35,988 Says, "I gotta take care of you boys, understand, 330 00:17:36,022 --> 00:17:38,125 "change your tires. 331 00:17:38,158 --> 00:17:40,460 Here I got this 8-ton jack, I got this lug wrench." 332 00:17:40,493 --> 00:17:43,363 He goes, "You don't even have a lug wrench in your goddamn bus." 333 00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:45,498 "Here, look, I got us a couple of spare inner tubes, 334 00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:47,834 "those boot things-- you never saw a boot before, 335 00:17:47,867 --> 00:17:49,536 "it probably goes inside the spare tire, 336 00:17:49,569 --> 00:17:51,971 and a big tire, we're talking about 10..." 337 00:17:52,004 --> 00:17:54,541 We started out in La Honda, 338 00:17:54,574 --> 00:17:55,908 and there was all this big deal, 339 00:17:55,942 --> 00:17:57,477 and we had been getting ready for days 340 00:17:57,510 --> 00:17:58,878 and packing and fixing 341 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:01,848 and finally it was the moment, we were leaving La Honda 342 00:18:01,881 --> 00:18:04,384 and everybody gathered around and waved us goodbye 343 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:07,086 and we climbed on the bus. 344 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,588 Honk the horn ! 345 00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:17,029 And it started off and it went out the gate 346 00:18:17,063 --> 00:18:20,099 and across the bridge and ran out of gas ! 347 00:18:23,403 --> 00:18:25,104 Well, the moment of departure was beautiful. 348 00:18:25,138 --> 00:18:27,340 We ran out of gas on Kesey's bridge. 349 00:18:27,374 --> 00:18:31,110 We figured at that rate, y'know, 25 feet an hour, 350 00:18:31,144 --> 00:18:34,181 we had a week to get to New York, we weren't worried. 351 00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:38,885 This is taking disorganization to some sort of peak. 352 00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:41,188 It was just ludicrous. 353 00:18:41,221 --> 00:18:42,555 And in some way or another, that was just, like, 354 00:18:42,589 --> 00:18:45,558 the perfect omen for the start of this trip. 355 00:18:45,592 --> 00:18:47,860 I used to think I was Napoleon, too. 356 00:18:47,894 --> 00:18:50,930 We set out just like in "Easy Rider" 357 00:18:50,963 --> 00:18:53,633 or "Travels with Charley," 358 00:18:53,666 --> 00:18:57,804 where Steinbeck sets out to seek the soul of America. 359 00:19:01,941 --> 00:19:04,411 It looked like a traveling pleasure palace. 360 00:19:04,444 --> 00:19:07,547 We could ride across the country in total comfort. 361 00:19:07,580 --> 00:19:09,816 It was big and roomy and spacious-- 362 00:19:09,849 --> 00:19:12,219 until we got all the people in it, 363 00:19:12,252 --> 00:19:13,653 then it was crowded. 364 00:19:13,686 --> 00:19:16,523 It was the exact opposite of a pleasure palace. 365 00:19:17,857 --> 00:19:20,293 ... 72 disciples. 366 00:19:20,327 --> 00:19:23,162 I was on the first 24 hours that it took us to get from 367 00:19:23,196 --> 00:19:24,597 La Honda to San Jose. 368 00:19:24,631 --> 00:19:27,434 I don't know, what is it, 40 miles ? 369 00:19:27,467 --> 00:19:30,136 It took us 24 hours to get to San Jose. 370 00:19:32,972 --> 00:19:35,775 and mechanical spasmsr 371 00:19:35,808 --> 00:19:37,344 started happening on the bus, 372 00:19:37,377 --> 00:19:38,911 and the engine was sputtering, 373 00:19:38,945 --> 00:19:41,013 so we pulled into a gas station. 374 00:19:44,016 --> 00:19:46,453 Some old gas station man took a look at that thing, 375 00:19:46,486 --> 00:19:48,020 looked at the engine and says, 376 00:19:48,054 --> 00:19:50,457 "You'll never get that thing past Oklahoma." 377 00:19:52,825 --> 00:19:54,093 Well, I'm saying to myself, 378 00:19:54,126 --> 00:19:56,529 Jesus Christ, this thing is fucked. 379 00:19:56,563 --> 00:19:57,930 Look, it's painted weird, 380 00:19:57,964 --> 00:20:00,333 the mechanics behind it are equally as weird. 381 00:20:03,636 --> 00:20:05,505 While everybody was working on the engine, 382 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:08,308 I was messing around with the headset, and was going, 383 00:20:08,341 --> 00:20:10,877 "We're on our way... 384 00:20:10,910 --> 00:20:14,447 to San Jose !" 385 00:20:14,481 --> 00:20:17,149 How was your stay... 386 00:20:17,183 --> 00:20:20,720 in San Jose ?! 387 00:20:20,753 --> 00:20:22,622 While I was doing that, I happened to turn around, 388 00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:24,491 and I noticed Chloe looking really glum. 389 00:20:24,524 --> 00:20:26,192 I said, "What's wrong ?" 390 00:20:26,225 --> 00:20:30,062 And she says, "If it takes us this long to get to San Jose," 391 00:20:30,096 --> 00:20:33,900 she says, "we'll never make it to New York City !" 392 00:20:33,933 --> 00:20:36,869 She says, "I can't take this, this is too chaotic." 393 00:20:36,903 --> 00:20:39,772 And that was as far as she lasted on the bus. 394 00:20:41,941 --> 00:20:43,710 Yeah, I was pretty glad to get off. 395 00:20:43,743 --> 00:20:48,415 I mean, thank God I'm not crossing the country in it. 396 00:20:48,448 --> 00:20:50,016 And you got back across the country 397 00:20:50,049 --> 00:20:52,218 by more civilized means, I imagine ? 398 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:53,853 TWA. 399 00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:57,524 * TWA's Your Way 400 00:21:05,031 --> 00:21:07,767 There's been a one-step removal, I think, 401 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:09,902 from our connection to life. 402 00:21:09,936 --> 00:21:12,204 And I'll tell you where you can see it, go to LA. 403 00:21:17,043 --> 00:21:20,347 We can't see anymore, we can barely hear anymore. 404 00:21:20,380 --> 00:21:21,848 When we look, we're not looking at; 405 00:21:21,881 --> 00:21:23,350 we're looking for. 406 00:21:23,383 --> 00:21:26,118 I tell you, Hollywood is as soulless an idea 407 00:21:26,152 --> 00:21:27,954 of what life looks like. 408 00:21:27,987 --> 00:21:30,523 * I'm going out west where I belong * 409 00:21:30,557 --> 00:21:32,959 What color is World War II ? 410 00:21:32,992 --> 00:21:34,361 World War I is even a better example. 411 00:21:34,394 --> 00:21:35,462 What color is World War I ? 412 00:21:35,495 --> 00:21:36,629 It's black and white, 413 00:21:36,663 --> 00:21:39,532 whereas the Civil War is in Technicolor. 414 00:21:39,566 --> 00:21:40,933 * And I'll walk 415 00:21:40,967 --> 00:21:42,402 * They twist 416 00:21:42,435 --> 00:21:44,036 * And I'll twist * 417 00:21:44,070 --> 00:21:47,139 What happens if all of this stuff that's being sold us 418 00:21:47,173 --> 00:21:49,308 has damn near closed the door 419 00:21:49,342 --> 00:21:52,912 on any possibility of our doing anything new, 420 00:21:52,945 --> 00:21:54,481 on our doing anything except traveling 421 00:21:54,514 --> 00:21:56,549 in the same little circle ? 422 00:21:56,583 --> 00:22:00,387 And, if that is true, how do we break out of it ? 423 00:22:00,420 --> 00:22:03,089 So you donate blood, then there's a sick cat, 424 00:22:03,122 --> 00:22:04,457 not being approved of and all, 425 00:22:04,491 --> 00:22:07,460 as the son, you see, would be, so you have a mania... 426 00:22:07,494 --> 00:22:11,263 All you can do is experience this thing. 427 00:22:11,297 --> 00:22:14,634 This, as near as I can see, is what's going on, 428 00:22:14,667 --> 00:22:16,068 as near as I can record it. 429 00:22:16,102 --> 00:22:17,504 It may not make sense. 430 00:22:17,537 --> 00:22:19,439 I'm just trying to open up like a camera 431 00:22:19,472 --> 00:22:21,708 and see it clearly for a moment. 432 00:22:26,713 --> 00:22:28,415 I remember when we first headed out of LA, 433 00:22:28,448 --> 00:22:31,317 out of Ken Babbs' place, where we spent a couple days 434 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,219 painting his swimming pool and so forth. 435 00:22:35,388 --> 00:22:37,590 When the bus headed out, 436 00:22:37,624 --> 00:22:41,428 Babbs was living in San Juan Capistrano 437 00:22:41,461 --> 00:22:43,930 with his wife, Anita, and his kids 438 00:22:43,963 --> 00:22:46,466 and we went through Capistrano 439 00:22:46,499 --> 00:22:48,701 and he realized this is his Merry Band of Pranksters 440 00:22:48,735 --> 00:22:52,472 and he better climb aboard. 441 00:22:52,505 --> 00:22:55,341 The original Prankster credo that started 442 00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:56,976 the whole Prankster movement 443 00:22:57,009 --> 00:22:59,512 was one of-- you start off by saying, 444 00:22:59,546 --> 00:23:02,515 "Never trust a Prankster." 445 00:23:02,549 --> 00:23:06,453 Because no matter how I... 446 00:23:06,486 --> 00:23:11,223 try, I will eventually... 447 00:23:11,257 --> 00:23:13,359 lie to you, even though I may not want to... 448 00:23:13,392 --> 00:23:15,462 if I say one thing today... 449 00:23:17,363 --> 00:23:19,198 Go ahead, would you repeat that again ? 450 00:23:19,231 --> 00:23:20,667 "Awooooooo." 451 00:23:23,436 --> 00:23:24,403 Very funny. 452 00:23:35,548 --> 00:23:38,017 When we started out with the bus, 453 00:23:38,050 --> 00:23:40,720 I realized I wasn't gonna be able to write a book about this, 454 00:23:40,753 --> 00:23:42,021 because you can't. 455 00:23:42,054 --> 00:23:42,955 It's an experience. 456 00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:49,596 This wasn't literature anymore, 457 00:23:49,629 --> 00:23:53,132 this jumped off the pages and onto the streets. 458 00:23:55,635 --> 00:23:57,570 * I should have quit you * 459 00:24:00,306 --> 00:24:02,208 went across the desert 460 00:24:02,241 --> 00:24:03,776 and headed for Arizona. 461 00:24:03,810 --> 00:24:06,445 * I should have quit you baby * 462 00:24:07,413 --> 00:24:09,448 Cassady talked a lot. 463 00:24:23,896 --> 00:24:25,932 We'd take turns riding shotgun with him 464 00:24:25,965 --> 00:24:29,335 so he'd have somebody to talk to while he was driving. 465 00:24:36,275 --> 00:24:37,409 He was a radio. 466 00:24:37,443 --> 00:24:39,579 He just went on and on and on. 467 00:24:39,612 --> 00:24:42,549 It was almost impossible for him to ever shut off. 468 00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:43,983 He couldn't help himself. 469 00:24:44,016 --> 00:24:45,317 It had a lot to do with speed. 470 00:24:49,121 --> 00:24:50,723 Major portion, critical point... 471 00:24:59,165 --> 00:25:01,333 Okay, settle in, settle in. 472 00:25:01,367 --> 00:25:03,269 Attracting the cops, and how to deal with 473 00:25:03,302 --> 00:25:05,171 concealing the drugs that we had, 474 00:25:05,204 --> 00:25:07,006 that was always a consideration 475 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:08,440 throughout the whole bus trip 476 00:25:08,474 --> 00:25:10,442 because the cops were stopping us 477 00:25:10,476 --> 00:25:13,312 because they'd never seen anything like it. 478 00:25:13,345 --> 00:25:16,015 I wasted your time, that's why I'm not-- 479 00:25:16,048 --> 00:25:17,483 Cassady would always be out there talking to them 480 00:25:17,516 --> 00:25:19,118 and he'd say, "Oh yeah, officers," he'd say. 481 00:25:19,151 --> 00:25:20,452 "You can see what they're like back there," he said, 482 00:25:20,486 --> 00:25:21,954 "but I'm doing my best to keep them in control." 483 00:25:21,988 --> 00:25:22,922 Unloosen that thing. 484 00:25:22,955 --> 00:25:25,491 We're having a brief equipment... 485 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:28,494 Our instant cover was always to get the cameras out and run out 486 00:25:28,527 --> 00:25:30,529 and say we were making a movie. 487 00:25:30,563 --> 00:25:32,999 We don't have a camera with any film. 488 00:25:33,032 --> 00:25:34,500 People didn't think we were hippies 489 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:36,268 or that we were drug freaks. 490 00:25:36,302 --> 00:25:37,770 That wouldn't have occurred to anybody 491 00:25:37,804 --> 00:25:40,372 because it wasn't in the news yet. 492 00:25:42,541 --> 00:25:43,843 Shut up ! 493 00:25:50,583 --> 00:25:54,553 How did you get mixed up with LSD in the first place ? 494 00:25:54,587 --> 00:25:56,322 I came out of the University of Oregon 495 00:25:56,355 --> 00:25:58,891 the prettiest little boy you've ever seen. 496 00:25:58,925 --> 00:26:02,161 I didn't smoke, I didn't drink, 497 00:26:02,194 --> 00:26:06,666 I went to Stanford on a Ford Foundation Fellowship. 498 00:26:06,699 --> 00:26:09,001 And while at Stanford, 499 00:26:09,035 --> 00:26:12,571 I was... given the opportunity 500 00:26:12,605 --> 00:26:15,141 to go to the Stanford hospital 501 00:26:15,174 --> 00:26:19,178 and take part in the LSD experiments. 502 00:26:19,211 --> 00:26:22,348 How did you become a volunteer for these experiments ? 503 00:26:22,381 --> 00:26:24,516 I, at the time, was training for 504 00:26:24,550 --> 00:26:26,018 the Olympics team and was-- 505 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:28,054 As a wrestler ? Yeah, as a wrestler. 506 00:26:28,087 --> 00:26:31,423 I'd never been drunk on beer, let alone done any drugs, 507 00:26:31,457 --> 00:26:34,661 but this is the American government. 508 00:26:34,694 --> 00:26:39,365 The study of LSD continues in laboratories and hospitals 509 00:26:39,398 --> 00:26:42,401 throughout the United States. 510 00:26:42,434 --> 00:26:45,337 They paid us $25 a day 511 00:26:45,371 --> 00:26:48,340 to come down there and then they gave us stuff. 512 00:26:48,374 --> 00:26:50,076 What is LSD ? 513 00:26:50,109 --> 00:26:51,377 How does it work ? 514 00:26:51,410 --> 00:26:53,079 When did it all begin ? 515 00:26:53,112 --> 00:26:56,749 It all began in a laboratory very much like this one. 516 00:26:56,783 --> 00:27:00,286 In 1938, Dr. Albert Hoffman in Switzerland 517 00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,354 was looking for new drugs 518 00:27:02,388 --> 00:27:04,490 in the treatment of migraine headaches. 519 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:22,308 He had been studying mold that grows on rye plants. 520 00:27:22,341 --> 00:27:25,444 Now, it turned out that these substances were of no use 521 00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:27,313 in the treatment of migraine headaches. 522 00:27:27,346 --> 00:27:31,117 However, it was found that these substances could produce 523 00:27:31,150 --> 00:27:33,285 a change in mental state 524 00:27:33,319 --> 00:27:36,555 closely resembling some forms of insanity. 525 00:27:36,588 --> 00:27:38,457 In particular, schizophrenia. 526 00:27:41,861 --> 00:27:44,396 When I was asked to do these drug experiments, 527 00:27:44,430 --> 00:27:47,599 I thought these drugs might give us a way to 528 00:27:47,633 --> 00:27:50,569 cure insanity, to overcome depression. 529 00:27:50,602 --> 00:27:52,839 That was part of what we thought we were doing. 530 00:27:55,541 --> 00:27:57,309 What kind of preparation were you given for it ? 531 00:27:57,343 --> 00:27:59,578 Were you given any ? None at all. 532 00:27:59,611 --> 00:28:00,947 I'd read a little piece in "LIFE Magazine" 533 00:28:00,980 --> 00:28:03,149 about how they'd given it to cats, 534 00:28:03,182 --> 00:28:06,385 and cats were afraid of mice once they'd had LSD. 535 00:28:09,121 --> 00:28:10,489 What was that very first trip like, though, 536 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:12,591 under the experimental conditions ? 537 00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,494 It was on a ward, on a nuthouse ward. 538 00:28:15,527 --> 00:28:18,697 You'd go in a little room, there'd be a bed, 539 00:28:18,731 --> 00:28:20,933 and a stand with some water on it, 540 00:28:20,967 --> 00:28:23,002 and a tape recorder, and nothing else. 541 00:28:23,035 --> 00:28:24,536 There was a little window right here 542 00:28:24,570 --> 00:28:26,705 with a wire through it, 543 00:28:26,739 --> 00:28:28,340 and you could look out and see the people 544 00:28:28,374 --> 00:28:30,009 out in the other room. 545 00:32:30,282 --> 00:32:31,883 And when I came out of it, 546 00:32:31,917 --> 00:32:34,520 I felt like it was like discovering a hole 547 00:32:34,553 --> 00:32:35,854 that went into the center of the Earth 548 00:32:35,887 --> 00:32:37,389 and you could see jewelry down there 549 00:32:37,423 --> 00:32:40,559 and you wanted your people to go down and enjoy it. 550 00:32:43,395 --> 00:32:46,665 * Trailer for sale or rent * 551 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,736 * Rooms to let 50ยข * 552 00:32:52,571 --> 00:32:55,074 * No phone no pool, no pets * 553 00:32:56,442 --> 00:32:59,311 * Ain't got no cigarettes... * 554 00:32:59,345 --> 00:33:02,581 Cassady drove all night, and everybody slept or didn't sleep, 555 00:33:02,614 --> 00:33:04,416 depending on what they were doing. 556 00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:07,386 Bus supposed to hit to Tucson, arrived... 557 00:33:07,419 --> 00:33:10,289 Oh, there, you can't-- 558 00:33:10,322 --> 00:33:15,127 Just as it were-- Police, how you doing ? 559 00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:17,929 A bunch of previous plans '69-- oh, all right, honest. 560 00:33:17,963 --> 00:33:19,431 Especially South. 561 00:33:19,465 --> 00:33:22,834 Barry Goldwatertra-conservative 562 00:33:22,868 --> 00:33:25,737 was running for president. 563 00:33:25,771 --> 00:33:30,142 What did you make of Kesey's Goldwater stunt in Phoenix ? 564 00:33:30,176 --> 00:33:33,079 I was kind of puzzled by the need to get into 565 00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:36,315 the politics of Barry Goldwater. 566 00:33:36,348 --> 00:33:39,185 I kinda thought the whole thing was sort of ridiculous. 567 00:33:41,553 --> 00:33:43,355 A vote for Barry is a vote for fun. 568 00:33:45,624 --> 00:33:47,259 It was a tongue-in-cheek thing. 569 00:33:47,293 --> 00:33:49,195 We wanted to wave the flag, 570 00:33:49,228 --> 00:33:52,298 but waving the flag in Downtown Phoenix 571 00:33:52,331 --> 00:33:53,965 kind of seemed like you're for Goldwater, 572 00:33:53,999 --> 00:33:56,502 so we painted "A Vote for Barry is a Vote for Fun" 573 00:33:56,535 --> 00:33:58,937 and then drove down the main street of Phoenix. 574 00:33:58,970 --> 00:34:00,672 Backwards. 575 00:34:09,715 --> 00:34:12,017 Even as you were driving the bus across the country, 576 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:14,820 reviews were coming in for "Sometimes a Great Notion" 577 00:34:14,853 --> 00:34:16,788 and they were peculiar. Yes. 578 00:34:16,822 --> 00:34:20,459 They didn't know exactly what to say about it. 579 00:34:20,492 --> 00:34:22,461 "Cuckoo's Nest" was a phenomenon, 580 00:34:22,494 --> 00:34:25,864 it received nothing but good reviews. 581 00:34:25,897 --> 00:34:27,199 Most people are surprised to learn 582 00:34:27,233 --> 00:34:29,368 that you'd never even seen the movie. 583 00:34:29,401 --> 00:34:32,538 You even threatened to sue the producers. 584 00:34:32,571 --> 00:34:34,806 I told these liars, "I'll never see the movie." 585 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,377 They emphasized the melodrama. 586 00:34:38,410 --> 00:34:40,412 Who's the villain in "Cuckoo's Nest" ? 587 00:34:40,446 --> 00:34:42,514 The Nurse. No. 588 00:34:42,548 --> 00:34:44,049 The Combine is the villain, 589 00:34:44,082 --> 00:34:47,186 and the Big Nurse is the minion of that, 590 00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:49,521 but she's not the villain. 591 00:34:49,555 --> 00:34:51,089 "I'm mopping near the ward door 592 00:34:51,123 --> 00:34:53,725 "when a key hits it from the other side 593 00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:56,228 "and I know it's the Big Nurse. 594 00:34:56,262 --> 00:34:58,264 "She's carrying her woven wicker bag, 595 00:34:58,297 --> 00:34:59,498 "full of a thousand parts 596 00:34:59,531 --> 00:35:01,867 "she aims to use in her duties today-- 597 00:35:01,900 --> 00:35:06,538 "wheels and gears and tiny pills that gleam like porcelain, 598 00:35:06,572 --> 00:35:10,442 needles and forceps and rolls of copper wire." 599 00:35:10,476 --> 00:35:11,610 Good morning, Miss Ratched. 600 00:35:11,643 --> 00:35:12,711 Good morning. 601 00:35:12,744 --> 00:35:14,513 Good morning, Miss Ratched. 602 00:35:14,546 --> 00:35:17,516 "The Big Nurse tends to get real put out 603 00:35:17,549 --> 00:35:20,051 "if something keeps her outfit from running 604 00:35:20,085 --> 00:35:22,554 "like a precision-made machine, 605 00:35:22,588 --> 00:35:25,224 what she calls 'adjusted.'" 606 00:35:25,257 --> 00:35:26,492 Medication time. 607 00:35:28,494 --> 00:35:32,931 "She works with an eye to adjusting the Outside world too. 608 00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:35,901 "Working alongside others like her 609 00:35:35,934 --> 00:35:39,037 who I call the 'Combine.'" 610 00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:40,572 Chief ? 611 00:35:40,606 --> 00:35:43,709 Writing that story from the point of view of that Indian, 612 00:35:43,742 --> 00:35:46,578 that's what makes that book. 613 00:35:46,612 --> 00:35:47,813 And I don't know any Indians, 614 00:35:47,846 --> 00:35:49,781 I don't know where that Indian came from. 615 00:35:49,815 --> 00:35:51,483 Those first few pages of "Cuckoo's Nest" 616 00:35:51,517 --> 00:35:53,485 were written on peyote. 617 00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:57,223 I've always felt humbled by that character. 618 00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:00,959 Without the character of that Indian, 619 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,329 the book is a melodrama. 620 00:36:03,362 --> 00:36:05,797 Y'know, it's a straight battle between Murphy 621 00:36:05,831 --> 00:36:07,433 and the Big Nurse. 622 00:36:09,668 --> 00:36:11,770 Isn't it true that the inspiration for the book 623 00:36:11,803 --> 00:36:14,406 came from your real-life experiences ? 624 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,908 I got a job at the nuthouse 625 00:36:16,942 --> 00:36:19,077 and worked from midnight to 8:00. 626 00:36:19,110 --> 00:36:21,179 Make no mistake about it. 627 00:36:21,213 --> 00:36:23,782 Being crazy is painful. 628 00:36:23,815 --> 00:36:26,652 Looking out through the little window, through my crazed eyes, 629 00:36:26,685 --> 00:36:28,754 I saw that these people have something going 630 00:36:28,787 --> 00:36:30,356 and there's a truth to it. 631 00:36:30,389 --> 00:36:32,057 It gave me an empathy. 632 00:36:36,628 --> 00:36:40,466 This was, to me, supposed to be a revolutionary novel. 633 00:36:40,499 --> 00:36:43,502 It wasn't Freudian man against woman. 634 00:36:43,535 --> 00:36:45,637 It was man against machine. 635 00:36:47,539 --> 00:36:51,443 "I took a deep breath and bent over and took the levers. 636 00:36:51,477 --> 00:36:53,345 "I heaved my legs under me 637 00:36:53,379 --> 00:36:55,681 "and felt the grind of weight at my feet 638 00:36:55,714 --> 00:36:57,516 "and heard the wires and connections 639 00:36:57,549 --> 00:37:00,819 "tearing out of the floor. 640 00:37:00,852 --> 00:37:02,821 "I was able to get an arm around it 641 00:37:02,854 --> 00:37:04,290 "and my other hand under it 642 00:37:04,323 --> 00:37:06,492 "and let the momentum carry the panel 643 00:37:06,525 --> 00:37:09,528 "through the screen and window with a ripping crash. 644 00:37:16,368 --> 00:37:21,407 "I put my hand on the sill and vaulted over the pane. 645 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,176 "I ran across the grounds. 646 00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:26,978 "I felt like I was flying. 647 00:37:27,012 --> 00:37:28,380 Free." 648 00:37:41,059 --> 00:37:44,262 Oh boy, it was just hot across that desert. 649 00:37:44,296 --> 00:37:47,566 And being hot and what we'd do, 650 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,368 we'd just go look for a cool place. 651 00:37:52,538 --> 00:37:55,541 Merging traffic, merging traffic. 652 00:37:55,574 --> 00:37:57,876 Merging traffic. 653 00:37:57,909 --> 00:37:59,678 Yield, yield ! 654 00:37:59,711 --> 00:38:01,747 Right away ! 655 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:03,582 We'd ridden all night the night before, 656 00:38:03,615 --> 00:38:06,385 and I'd gone to sleep in one of the upper bunks and my purse 657 00:38:06,418 --> 00:38:09,054 had slipped down between the bunk and the side of the bus 658 00:38:09,087 --> 00:38:11,390 and had gone out the open window. 659 00:38:11,423 --> 00:38:13,725 It had everything in it. 660 00:38:13,759 --> 00:38:17,062 Here I was, pregnant, traveling with a bunch of mad men 661 00:38:17,095 --> 00:38:18,597 and I didn't even have a dime. 662 00:38:20,832 --> 00:38:24,002 Watermelons, watermelons, watermelons, watermelons ! 663 00:38:25,337 --> 00:38:27,573 If I'd had my money, it wouldn't have bothered me at all, 664 00:38:27,606 --> 00:38:29,975 because I could have walked off at any stage. 665 00:38:30,008 --> 00:38:32,544 I could have gone to the nearest bus at any time. 666 00:38:32,578 --> 00:38:35,280 Now, I was trapped. 667 00:38:37,683 --> 00:38:40,586 off the roadssady drove right 668 00:38:40,619 --> 00:38:42,921 and started driving towards this little pond, 669 00:38:42,954 --> 00:38:44,756 and got stuck right in the sand. 670 00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:46,958 He drove it-- "vrooom." 671 00:38:46,992 --> 00:38:49,428 And there we were, shocked as can be. 672 00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:55,401 Ah yes, stuck. 673 00:38:55,434 --> 00:38:59,405 Stuck in the mud in Arizona desert in the summertime. 674 00:38:59,438 --> 00:39:00,472 Cassady. 675 00:39:00,506 --> 00:39:03,108 God, he was having a good time. 676 00:39:03,141 --> 00:39:05,477 It was hot, boy, let me tell you it was hot. 677 00:39:05,511 --> 00:39:07,446 It was blazing hot-- there I am. 678 00:39:07,479 --> 00:39:08,447 That's me and there's Kesey 679 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:09,981 right behind me in the sunglasses 680 00:39:10,015 --> 00:39:12,150 and we're all looking at it and we're stuck deep in the mud. 681 00:39:17,656 --> 00:39:19,090 For no other reason than the fact that-- 682 00:39:19,124 --> 00:39:21,627 if you don't get out, get out. 683 00:39:24,195 --> 00:39:26,498 Kesey had sent someone off on the motorcycle 684 00:39:26,532 --> 00:39:27,833 to go look for help. 685 00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:30,168 And then Kesey had this brainstorm that, 686 00:39:30,201 --> 00:39:32,370 since we were gonna be stuck for awhile, 687 00:39:32,404 --> 00:39:34,339 we should take LSD. 688 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,442 So I'm going to take some LSD. 689 00:39:36,475 --> 00:39:38,777 I want Babbs to take some. 690 00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:40,546 Cassady, do you want to take some ? 691 00:39:40,579 --> 00:39:43,281 I-- I would, yes, I would. 692 00:39:43,314 --> 00:39:45,316 The ridiculous thing was that the acid 693 00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:47,486 was just mixed into a jar of orange juice 694 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:49,621 that was in the refrigerator. 695 00:39:49,655 --> 00:39:52,390 Nobody had any idea what the dosage was, 696 00:39:52,424 --> 00:39:55,360 it was this sort of deal where you shook up the jar 697 00:39:55,393 --> 00:39:58,363 and passed it around and took a swig. 698 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:01,132 As the acid came on, the setting up of the filming 699 00:40:01,166 --> 00:40:02,668 was starting to happen too. 700 00:40:02,701 --> 00:40:03,635 What else we got up there ? 701 00:40:03,669 --> 00:40:04,870 Another camera, don't we ? 702 00:40:04,903 --> 00:40:10,208 We're going to take the Arriflex, two magazines. 703 00:40:10,241 --> 00:40:12,243 We're going to have one magazine on the Arriflex. 704 00:40:12,277 --> 00:40:16,848 We're going to have the other camera with the zoom lens 705 00:40:16,882 --> 00:40:19,417 also mounted on a tripod. 706 00:40:19,451 --> 00:40:23,822 We're gonna run the zoom lens on the tripod. 707 00:40:23,855 --> 00:40:26,324 Was he filming that ? 708 00:40:26,357 --> 00:40:28,594 No. 709 00:40:30,562 --> 00:40:32,263 That'd be ungodly. 710 00:40:32,297 --> 00:40:33,499 My Merry Band of Pranksters 711 00:40:33,532 --> 00:40:35,701 won't be wandering around in the dirt. 712 00:40:35,734 --> 00:40:36,868 Come on, come on. 713 00:40:36,902 --> 00:40:39,337 No, no, none of this misery stuff. 714 00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:41,372 Come on, this is the Merry gang. 715 00:40:41,406 --> 00:40:43,675 Keep it moving. 716 00:40:43,709 --> 00:40:45,376 It's Paula. 717 00:40:45,410 --> 00:40:48,046 That's stretchin' Gretchen, she's mighty fetchin' ! 718 00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:52,417 Always scratching the kitchen matches and never itchy ! 719 00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:53,785 There she is out there. 720 00:40:53,819 --> 00:40:56,555 * You know when you have a dream * 721 00:40:56,588 --> 00:41:00,626 * Where whales carry you out to sea * 722 00:41:00,659 --> 00:41:05,396 Once I hit the pond, I realized I was really high. 723 00:41:05,430 --> 00:41:09,467 * The little creatures had their little wings * 724 00:41:10,736 --> 00:41:14,405 The water opened itself up to me in a new dimension. 725 00:41:14,439 --> 00:41:16,542 There was no murkiness, 726 00:41:16,575 --> 00:41:19,778 it was super clear, real crystal. 727 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:21,379 It was just there, 728 00:41:21,412 --> 00:41:25,383 for myself and itself to groove on each other. 729 00:41:25,416 --> 00:41:27,452 * If the birds fly in the ocean * 730 00:41:27,485 --> 00:41:29,254 * And the whales swim in the clouds * 731 00:41:29,287 --> 00:41:31,289 It was a joy. 732 00:41:31,322 --> 00:41:33,424 Farewell forever, Paula. 733 00:41:33,458 --> 00:41:36,461 As she sinks beneath the depths. 734 00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:41,466 In the next feature, you shall see emerge a slime queen. 735 00:41:41,499 --> 00:41:45,136 The High Priestess of Pranksters. 736 00:41:45,170 --> 00:41:47,773 That's the slime, the algae. 737 00:41:47,806 --> 00:41:49,608 It was talking to me, 738 00:41:49,641 --> 00:41:53,211 it was welcoming me into its realm of existence. 739 00:41:55,346 --> 00:41:57,448 * Where the sunrise sets 740 00:41:57,482 --> 00:41:59,417 * And the sunset rises 741 00:41:59,450 --> 00:42:01,486 It was like the nature spirits, 742 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:03,488 the stuff in there, it was saying, 743 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:07,025 "Finally we're in contact with a human being, 744 00:42:07,058 --> 00:42:10,962 we've been trying to get through to you guys for awhile." 745 00:42:10,996 --> 00:42:13,331 They were happy, and I was happy. 746 00:42:13,364 --> 00:42:16,802 * Whales want to love your face * 747 00:42:16,835 --> 00:42:20,471 * Whales want to be your friend * 748 00:42:20,505 --> 00:42:23,975 * Whales want to hug you 749 00:42:24,009 --> 00:42:26,344 That's Miss Slime of 1964. 750 00:42:31,182 --> 00:42:34,786 * Carry our souls 751 00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:40,491 * Through the clouds 752 00:42:40,525 --> 00:42:43,528 * In the sky 753 00:42:47,999 --> 00:42:49,668 These horses just showed up 754 00:42:49,701 --> 00:42:53,839 and added such a nice kind of backdrop effect. 755 00:42:53,872 --> 00:42:55,741 Oh, there are the horses. 756 00:42:55,774 --> 00:42:58,509 It was incredibly beautiful. 757 00:42:58,543 --> 00:43:01,412 I don't remember much reaction to these horses. 758 00:43:01,446 --> 00:43:04,983 To me, they looked kind of old and flea-bitten. 759 00:43:09,921 --> 00:43:12,390 I was thinking about how nice it would look to 760 00:43:12,423 --> 00:43:13,491 pour some of those paints-- 761 00:43:13,524 --> 00:43:15,326 let's see what they look like. 762 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,595 After we took the acid, I think it was Kesey's idea, 763 00:43:17,629 --> 00:43:20,031 we took bottles of dope paint, 764 00:43:20,065 --> 00:43:22,333 which are used for painting model airplanes, 765 00:43:22,367 --> 00:43:24,335 and it's enamel-based paint, 766 00:43:24,369 --> 00:43:27,272 so when you put it on the water, it floats. 767 00:43:27,305 --> 00:43:29,374 I'll never drink downstream 768 00:43:29,407 --> 00:43:31,142 from the Merry Pranksters' campsite. 769 00:43:34,279 --> 00:43:35,613 So we had lots of colors, 770 00:43:35,647 --> 00:43:37,749 so we were dipping the colors in there 771 00:43:37,783 --> 00:43:41,452 and watching it all marbleize. 772 00:43:41,486 --> 00:43:43,021 We took Zonker's white T-shirt 773 00:43:43,054 --> 00:43:46,958 and put it in the water with the paint and invented tie-dye. 774 00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:50,561 God, I was pissed. 775 00:43:50,595 --> 00:43:52,731 They said, "Oh, it's water-soluble. 776 00:43:52,764 --> 00:43:54,399 Oh, don't worry about it, man." 777 00:43:54,432 --> 00:43:55,466 "Worry about what ? 778 00:43:55,500 --> 00:43:57,402 That's one of my clean T-shirts." 779 00:43:57,435 --> 00:44:00,038 "Fuck your clean T-shirts," somebody said. 780 00:44:00,071 --> 00:44:02,708 George said, "Back up," just like I do. 781 00:44:02,741 --> 00:44:04,442 "Spin around." 782 00:44:04,475 --> 00:44:06,077 Fuck you. 783 00:44:06,111 --> 00:44:08,246 God, watch this thing. 784 00:44:08,279 --> 00:44:09,748 Actually I was having a good time. 785 00:44:13,919 --> 00:44:17,455 Stark Naked really started wigging out. 786 00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:20,225 She's definitely stoned on acid. 787 00:44:20,258 --> 00:44:23,561 We put all our acid in one quart ball jar of lemonade 788 00:44:23,594 --> 00:44:25,997 and I remember seeing her run down to the refrigerator 789 00:44:26,031 --> 00:44:29,100 and get it out and upend it. 790 00:44:29,134 --> 00:44:31,436 Get a picture of that over here, Mike, with the... 791 00:44:31,469 --> 00:44:32,938 Get that. 792 00:44:32,971 --> 00:44:35,340 Kathy was loaded. 793 00:44:35,373 --> 00:44:36,842 Hagen says, "I'm gonna make a movie star out of her 794 00:44:36,875 --> 00:44:38,309 no matter what it takes." 795 00:44:38,343 --> 00:44:41,646 You know, it's the pretty girl, movie-star trip. 796 00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:43,648 The guy with the camera comes along and says, 797 00:44:43,681 --> 00:44:44,916 "Hey, pretty girl, how'd you like to 798 00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:46,351 stand in front of my camera ?" 799 00:44:46,384 --> 00:44:47,518 "Sure, why not ? 800 00:44:47,552 --> 00:44:49,120 You're going to make me a star." 801 00:44:49,154 --> 00:44:51,622 Judy Garland in the drugstore, whatever that trip is, you know. 802 00:44:53,959 --> 00:44:55,526 Hey, here's the paint. 803 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,695 No, no, two more of these, I think we'll be able to 804 00:44:57,729 --> 00:45:00,065 start using film. 805 00:45:02,033 --> 00:45:04,469 The first signs of strain were beginning to show 806 00:45:04,502 --> 00:45:07,138 on some of the healthy, young faces 807 00:45:07,172 --> 00:45:09,507 and I was trying to keep things together there 808 00:45:09,540 --> 00:45:12,377 because I could suddenly see everything coming to pieces. 809 00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:14,345 There was this mad woman on my hands. 810 00:45:14,379 --> 00:45:18,683 What have I gotten myself into ? 811 00:45:18,716 --> 00:45:21,619 Throughout the bus trip you seemed to enjoy the chaos 812 00:45:21,652 --> 00:45:26,224 but at the same time, gently guide the action. 813 00:45:26,257 --> 00:45:29,327 People felt that enlightenment 814 00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,363 was going entirely with the flow. 815 00:45:32,397 --> 00:45:34,399 But that's like being the ball in a football game. 816 00:45:34,432 --> 00:45:36,968 I'd rather be the quarterback. 817 00:45:37,002 --> 00:45:38,503 I wanna handle the ball, 818 00:45:38,536 --> 00:45:39,905 I don't wanna just be thrown around. 819 00:45:43,875 --> 00:45:47,578 Ken was trying to run this whole thing and be all philosophical, 820 00:45:47,612 --> 00:45:50,081 and he was caught up in a million different trips. 821 00:45:51,850 --> 00:45:54,986 * And how long will it go on ? * 822 00:45:55,020 --> 00:45:57,255 * How long can we wait for help ? * 823 00:45:57,288 --> 00:45:58,924 * When no help is coming for... 824 00:45:58,957 --> 00:46:01,860 It reminds me of the mad Ophelia. 825 00:46:01,893 --> 00:46:04,329 I don't remember this at all. 826 00:46:04,362 --> 00:46:07,398 I remember swimming in the lake, but none of this. 827 00:46:11,736 --> 00:46:16,174 For Stark, obviously, it was too much to bear. 828 00:46:16,207 --> 00:46:19,344 For Gretch and Babbs, they fell in love. 829 00:46:19,377 --> 00:46:20,879 Would you like to play my feet ? 830 00:46:20,912 --> 00:46:22,948 Starting the bus trip, I was Kesey's lover 831 00:46:22,981 --> 00:46:25,516 but after I met Babbs, 832 00:46:25,550 --> 00:46:28,119 he and I became lovers, and stayed so. 833 00:46:28,153 --> 00:46:32,223 I wish I could always... 834 00:46:32,257 --> 00:46:35,393 Okay ! 835 00:46:35,426 --> 00:46:37,595 The camera's fucked up again. 836 00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,730 Hey, hey ! 837 00:46:39,764 --> 00:46:41,099 The tractor has indeed arrived, 838 00:46:41,132 --> 00:46:43,768 they're going to pull us out of this swamp. 839 00:46:43,801 --> 00:46:45,470 Sandy's there, scratching his balls. 840 00:46:45,503 --> 00:46:48,473 Okay, let's go ! 841 00:46:48,506 --> 00:46:49,574 Come on ! 842 00:46:49,607 --> 00:46:51,442 Come on, faster ! 843 00:46:51,476 --> 00:46:52,978 Whoa ! 844 00:46:53,011 --> 00:46:54,946 Wait a minute, wait a minute. 845 00:46:54,980 --> 00:46:57,315 Try to reverse that. 846 00:46:57,348 --> 00:47:00,618 I think you're pulling against each other. 847 00:47:02,988 --> 00:47:05,523 We're going ! 848 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,395 Keep her moving, keep her moving ! 849 00:47:10,428 --> 00:47:12,363 Keep her moving, keep her moving ! 850 00:47:14,165 --> 00:47:17,135 She and Babbs had developed a great affair 851 00:47:17,168 --> 00:47:19,337 since Romeo and Juliet. 852 00:47:19,370 --> 00:47:22,607 * I got my mojo working babe * 853 00:47:23,774 --> 00:47:26,277 * And I'm going to try it on you * 854 00:47:27,378 --> 00:47:31,449 The love relationships was one of the very obvious things 855 00:47:31,482 --> 00:47:32,683 that was going on. 856 00:47:32,717 --> 00:47:34,953 I mean, nothing was hidden, you know ? 857 00:47:34,986 --> 00:47:37,188 * And I'm gonna try it out on you * 858 00:47:38,156 --> 00:47:39,824 Babbs was really worried that Kesey 859 00:47:39,857 --> 00:47:41,326 would be really pissed off, 860 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:43,929 because Kesey was single, because his wife wasn't there, 861 00:47:43,962 --> 00:47:46,431 so he was unattached, sexually. 862 00:47:46,464 --> 00:47:49,600 * And now I'm gonna try it on you * 863 00:47:49,634 --> 00:47:50,768 * Oh yeah * 864 00:47:50,801 --> 00:47:52,303 He did sulk for awhile, 865 00:47:52,337 --> 00:47:53,871 but he kind of woke up out of his stupor 866 00:47:53,905 --> 00:47:56,607 and looked over and said, "Nothing lasts." 867 00:47:56,641 --> 00:47:59,310 So that became one of the Prankster mottos, too. 868 00:47:59,344 --> 00:48:00,411 "Nothing lasts." 869 00:48:03,048 --> 00:48:04,382 All this stuff that we went through, 870 00:48:04,415 --> 00:48:07,518 all these "intertanglements" of our relationships, 871 00:48:07,552 --> 00:48:09,720 our marriages, and our loves and lovers, 872 00:48:09,754 --> 00:48:14,492 I think all of this is Soap Opera 101. 873 00:48:14,525 --> 00:48:16,794 It's like we're all in this class together 874 00:48:16,827 --> 00:48:20,531 and we went through it for several weeks on the bus. 875 00:48:22,767 --> 00:48:26,571 Stark Naked never quite recovered from Wikieup. 876 00:48:26,604 --> 00:48:28,506 All her molecules, I don't think, 877 00:48:28,539 --> 00:48:30,375 came back together. 878 00:48:30,408 --> 00:48:33,344 Then she climbs out onto the platform in the back 879 00:48:33,378 --> 00:48:36,381 and pretty soon all the truckers were honking behind us-- 880 00:48:36,414 --> 00:48:39,384 honk, honk, honk, honk. 881 00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:41,386 And Cassady couldn't figure out what was going on, 882 00:48:41,419 --> 00:48:43,754 so somebody looked out the back window 883 00:48:43,788 --> 00:48:47,525 and there she had taken the blanket off her 884 00:48:47,558 --> 00:48:50,028 and she was just standing out on the back deck 885 00:48:50,061 --> 00:48:52,263 just flaunting herself. 886 00:48:52,297 --> 00:48:57,168 She had all the semis heading for Houston backed up behind us. 887 00:48:57,202 --> 00:49:01,206 Nobody wanted to pass us because they were all watching her. 888 00:49:09,914 --> 00:49:13,518 That kind of madness is only terrifying and miserable 889 00:49:13,551 --> 00:49:15,520 to the people who are outside of it. 890 00:49:15,553 --> 00:49:18,456 To someone who's inside of it, it's really not. 891 00:49:18,489 --> 00:49:20,791 I just wanted to go into the darkness 892 00:49:20,825 --> 00:49:22,493 and be alone with my own thoughts. 893 00:49:40,745 --> 00:49:44,315 I think my psychic vision in relationship to myself 894 00:49:44,349 --> 00:49:47,818 was that I was getting a little bit homesick. 895 00:49:47,852 --> 00:49:51,789 Then, not long after that, we pulled into Larry McMurtry's, 896 00:49:51,822 --> 00:49:54,125 which was kind of a nice, middle-class, 897 00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:55,926 very tidy neighborhood. 898 00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:58,463 Larry lives in this upper, upper-middle-class 899 00:49:58,496 --> 00:50:00,165 collegiate section of town, 900 00:50:00,198 --> 00:50:05,103 and this electric, multicolored circus bus shows up. 901 00:50:05,136 --> 00:50:07,505 Larry appeared at the bus with a little child 902 00:50:07,538 --> 00:50:09,574 and it reminded me of my daughter. 903 00:50:09,607 --> 00:50:10,941 I jumped off the bus 904 00:50:10,975 --> 00:50:14,011 and I guess, much to his amazement, grabbed the baby. 905 00:50:14,045 --> 00:50:16,347 And she opens her arms wide 906 00:50:16,381 --> 00:50:19,684 and the blanket that she had wrapped around her dropped. 907 00:50:19,717 --> 00:50:23,121 And she's standing there stark naked. 908 00:50:23,154 --> 00:50:26,291 I thought she looked just fine, as a matter of fact. 909 00:50:26,324 --> 00:50:27,592 I think it might have been 910 00:50:27,625 --> 00:50:29,327 a little bit of a problem for Larry McMurtry, 911 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:33,331 as far as his neighbors were concerned. 912 00:50:33,364 --> 00:50:37,702 Things just kinda continued to go downhill from then on. 913 00:50:37,735 --> 00:50:41,172 I guess I was going through a thing with Michael Hagen. 914 00:50:41,206 --> 00:50:43,374 And it might have been his attention that he paid 915 00:50:43,408 --> 00:50:45,643 to other women that disturbed me. 916 00:50:45,676 --> 00:50:48,313 It must've been about two or three in the morning. 917 00:50:48,346 --> 00:50:49,680 I couldn't sleep 918 00:50:49,714 --> 00:50:52,383 and I just felt like kind of walking it off. 919 00:50:52,417 --> 00:50:54,685 I was in a bad mood, actually, 920 00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,521 and I went out in my bare feet. 921 00:51:23,448 --> 00:51:25,150 Where are you taking me, where are my friends ? 922 00:51:25,183 --> 00:51:27,084 Do my friends know I'm here ? 923 00:51:27,118 --> 00:51:29,187 They held me in a cell for a little while, 924 00:51:29,220 --> 00:51:31,256 then they had someone come to talk to me. 925 00:51:31,289 --> 00:51:34,659 By this time, I was just a complete wreck. 926 00:51:34,692 --> 00:51:35,993 Where am I ? 927 00:51:36,026 --> 00:51:37,595 You're in a hospital. 928 00:51:37,628 --> 00:51:39,864 People were asking me a lot of strange questions, 929 00:51:39,897 --> 00:51:41,399 and I just didn't answer any of them. 930 00:51:41,432 --> 00:51:45,336 Except I think I gave them my name and that was all. 931 00:51:45,370 --> 00:51:47,838 Name, rank and serial number, so to speak. 932 00:51:47,872 --> 00:51:49,006 Where am I ? 933 00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:50,441 Right around here to the desk. 934 00:51:50,475 --> 00:51:51,442 You're in a hospital. 935 00:51:51,476 --> 00:51:52,910 Hello, I'm a nurse. 936 00:51:52,943 --> 00:51:54,879 What's your name ? 937 00:51:54,912 --> 00:51:57,081 What happened to Stark Naked ? 938 00:51:57,114 --> 00:51:59,684 One of her friends in San Francisco came out 939 00:51:59,717 --> 00:52:02,420 and got her and she ended up going back home with him 940 00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:05,156 and that was as far as she got on the trip. 941 00:52:07,258 --> 00:52:09,727 Hurry up, hurry up, we'll get there in the nick of time. 942 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,262 Hurry up, hurry up, hurry up, 943 00:52:11,296 --> 00:52:12,963 we'll get there in the nick of time. 944 00:52:12,997 --> 00:52:14,399 We sort of abandoned her. 945 00:52:14,432 --> 00:52:17,468 We figured anybody that couldn't hold their shit together 946 00:52:17,502 --> 00:52:18,969 just wasn't gonna be able to make it. 947 00:52:19,003 --> 00:52:20,871 You know, we had a trip to do, we had to keep on moving. 948 00:52:20,905 --> 00:52:23,274 And it also made me nervous, thinking, 949 00:52:23,308 --> 00:52:25,042 "Who's going to be left behind next ? 950 00:52:25,075 --> 00:52:26,977 Is it gonna be me ?" 951 00:52:30,014 --> 00:52:31,249 Weren't you concerned that 952 00:52:31,282 --> 00:52:34,118 this trip was beginning to unravel ? 953 00:52:34,151 --> 00:52:35,986 I'll tell you a thing that I learned 954 00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:37,788 while I was working in the asylum 955 00:52:37,822 --> 00:52:39,924 that I think is the most important thing 956 00:52:39,957 --> 00:52:41,326 I've ever learned. 957 00:52:41,359 --> 00:52:43,428 Every once in awhile, all the power, 958 00:52:43,461 --> 00:52:45,230 the attention that you have, 959 00:52:45,263 --> 00:52:47,465 comes to bear on exactly what you're doing 960 00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:50,435 and doesn't decide whether it's good or bad, 961 00:52:50,468 --> 00:52:51,936 just decides that it is, 962 00:52:51,969 --> 00:52:53,771 and the only thing you can do is enjoy the ride. 963 00:52:57,542 --> 00:53:00,745 * He's coming in to New Orleans * 964 00:53:00,778 --> 00:53:04,515 * When the saints go marching in * 965 00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:06,484 * In * 966 00:53:29,340 --> 00:53:31,376 Well, Cassady wanted to show us New Orleans 967 00:53:31,409 --> 00:53:32,877 because he was familiar with it 968 00:53:32,910 --> 00:53:36,281 and he was so excited to be in New Orleans. 969 00:53:36,314 --> 00:53:40,451 It was a big, big deal. 970 00:53:40,485 --> 00:53:43,488 He had his favorite haunts, he was kind of a tour guide. 971 00:53:54,399 --> 00:53:56,901 We went down to the heart of the jazz district. 972 00:53:56,934 --> 00:53:59,637 Cassady was a big jazz aficionado. 973 00:53:59,670 --> 00:54:01,506 He loved jazz. 974 00:54:01,539 --> 00:54:03,207 Ah, the Old Absinthe Bar. 975 00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,509 The Old Absinthe Bar. 976 00:54:04,542 --> 00:54:05,710 I remember that I was there once. 977 00:54:05,743 --> 00:54:07,678 I was there once. 978 00:54:07,712 --> 00:54:11,015 ... warm, 11:00 in the morning on Canal Street 979 00:54:11,048 --> 00:54:13,518 in New Orleans. 980 00:54:13,551 --> 00:54:16,887 It's this feeling of everything moving slower and slower... 981 00:54:16,921 --> 00:54:19,524 Slower and slower, 982 00:54:19,557 --> 00:54:23,428 caught in some kind of molasses mind warp, we were. 983 00:54:23,461 --> 00:54:26,531 That was where we started to drink mint juleps. 984 00:54:26,564 --> 00:54:29,066 I think we went down in a basement, too. 985 00:54:31,369 --> 00:54:35,373 We saw-- somebody had just moved into the other room 986 00:54:35,406 --> 00:54:37,442 and there was a piano 987 00:54:37,475 --> 00:54:40,578 and he went in there and he sat down and he started to play. 988 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:47,418 * My baby left me 989 00:54:51,121 --> 00:54:54,725 * My baby left me a long time ago * 990 00:54:56,260 --> 00:54:58,396 I know Kesey was just crazy about him. 991 00:54:58,429 --> 00:54:59,530 God, he'd come over and he'd say, 992 00:54:59,564 --> 00:55:02,066 "Wow, this guy is great !" 993 00:55:03,501 --> 00:55:06,236 He wanted to take him with us or something like that. 994 00:55:06,270 --> 00:55:11,175 * ... walked out the door 995 00:55:13,110 --> 00:55:15,079 Air's still thick with dust motes 996 00:55:15,112 --> 00:55:17,081 swirling and following us out the door 997 00:55:17,114 --> 00:55:20,150 and up and into-- onto the bus and there we went, 998 00:55:20,184 --> 00:55:22,387 "Moonlight Sinatra" boarding with us. 999 00:55:22,420 --> 00:55:24,955 And we realized we gotta dip this sucker in the water 1000 00:55:24,989 --> 00:55:26,757 before he goes off. 1001 00:55:26,791 --> 00:55:28,759 So we said, "We're gonna find some water," and he says, 1002 00:55:28,793 --> 00:55:30,995 "Go to Lake Pontchartrain." 1003 00:55:31,028 --> 00:55:33,197 He didn't know where it was, he'd just heard about it. 1004 00:55:38,002 --> 00:55:39,604 * Lead 1005 00:55:41,472 --> 00:55:43,173 * Lead 1006 00:55:44,475 --> 00:55:47,211 * Lead me on 1007 00:55:51,616 --> 00:55:54,985 * To the light * 1008 00:55:56,687 --> 00:55:59,457 You really look at the '60s and what started there. 1009 00:55:59,490 --> 00:56:01,526 Music was changed forever. 1010 00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:03,928 The feminist movement started there, 1011 00:56:03,961 --> 00:56:05,430 the Civil Rights Movement. 1012 00:56:05,463 --> 00:56:07,498 While we were driving that bus across the country, 1013 00:56:07,532 --> 00:56:09,500 Martin Luther King was in Selma. 1014 00:56:09,534 --> 00:56:13,438 Either you give the Negro his God-given right 1015 00:56:13,471 --> 00:56:15,673 and his freedom 1016 00:56:15,706 --> 00:56:18,476 or you face the fact 1017 00:56:18,509 --> 00:56:23,648 of continual social disruption and social chaos. 1018 00:56:23,681 --> 00:56:26,316 You have to remember, this is 1964, 1019 00:56:26,350 --> 00:56:28,352 and it's right when the Civil Rights thing 1020 00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:29,954 was in a very early infancy, 1021 00:56:29,987 --> 00:56:33,123 so white-only, black-only consciousness 1022 00:56:33,157 --> 00:56:37,327 was still really prevalent in the South. 1023 00:56:37,361 --> 00:56:39,997 And the story about Lake Pontchartrain was that 1024 00:56:40,030 --> 00:56:43,233 we'd pulled into a black-only area, the lake. 1025 00:56:43,267 --> 00:56:45,202 Of course, the Pranksters didn't know that. 1026 00:56:45,235 --> 00:56:46,671 They just pulled up to this lake 1027 00:56:46,704 --> 00:56:49,039 because they saw it and wanted to go swimming. 1028 00:56:51,408 --> 00:56:54,311 We got out-- I'm loaded on acid, right ? 1029 00:56:54,344 --> 00:56:56,413 Okay, and all these other guys are loaded on acid. 1030 00:56:58,949 --> 00:57:01,018 Okay, here we are. 1031 00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:03,420 I think I don't notice that anything is odd, 1032 00:57:03,454 --> 00:57:05,690 even at this point. 1033 00:57:07,057 --> 00:57:10,561 As we're swimming around in this hot, hot, humid 1034 00:57:10,595 --> 00:57:14,198 first-day-of-summer Louisiana day, 1035 00:57:14,231 --> 00:57:16,100 I remember looking around the swimming hole 1036 00:57:16,133 --> 00:57:21,438 that we'd all just practically ran and jumped into. 1037 00:57:21,472 --> 00:57:24,408 I thought, "God, there's a lot of colored people here, 1038 00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:26,544 "and there's not very many white people. 1039 00:57:26,577 --> 00:57:28,112 Well, there's one and there's one and there's one..." 1040 00:57:28,145 --> 00:57:30,247 And I looked around and I had this 1041 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,717 sudden realization that I knew every single one of 1042 00:57:32,750 --> 00:57:35,285 the white people in that swimming hole. 1043 00:57:35,319 --> 00:57:36,887 And then it dawned on me. 1044 00:57:36,921 --> 00:57:40,958 "Shit, we just integrated this place." 1045 00:57:40,991 --> 00:57:45,062 Then all of a sudden this wave of paranoia 1046 00:57:45,095 --> 00:57:47,097 went through us all. 1047 00:57:47,131 --> 00:57:50,100 Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time. 1048 00:57:50,134 --> 00:57:53,337 That's the kind of thing that could have started a race riot. 1049 00:57:56,340 --> 00:57:57,875 I don't believe a word was said, 1050 00:57:57,908 --> 00:58:00,978 we all just grabbed everything, jumped on the bus and left. 1051 00:58:22,499 --> 00:58:25,402 Babbs just fell down in the yard in Pensacola, Florida. 1052 00:58:25,435 --> 00:58:27,471 We went to this place where his old roommates 1053 00:58:27,504 --> 00:58:29,006 still lived in Pensacola, 1054 00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,609 where they'd been Marines together. 1055 00:58:31,642 --> 00:58:35,512 We arrived and Babbs' Marine buddy was still at work, 1056 00:58:35,546 --> 00:58:37,414 and so Kesey had the idea of making 1057 00:58:37,447 --> 00:58:39,717 a little theatrical thing to film. 1058 00:58:41,886 --> 00:58:44,755 The Slime Queen will lead the way ! 1059 00:58:53,964 --> 00:58:55,532 Oh, this is funny. 1060 00:58:55,566 --> 00:58:57,334 I remember this really well. 1061 00:58:57,367 --> 00:58:59,670 I consider this to be one of the most fucked-up days 1062 00:58:59,704 --> 00:59:02,206 on the whole trip. 1063 00:59:02,239 --> 00:59:04,508 Being pregnant, I was miserable. 1064 00:59:04,541 --> 00:59:05,876 It was just really hot, 1065 00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:07,444 and there was no reason to be there 1066 00:59:07,477 --> 00:59:11,148 and there's nothing to do, so we did this. 1067 00:59:11,181 --> 00:59:12,683 I was trying to be cooperative, 1068 00:59:12,717 --> 00:59:15,552 but I can tell you that it really had nothing going for me. 1069 00:59:17,588 --> 00:59:21,659 This is some kind of absurd dance, as I recall. 1070 00:59:21,692 --> 00:59:23,227 I enjoyed it. 1071 00:59:23,260 --> 00:59:25,562 I just wish I could've played the trombone better. 1072 00:59:27,264 --> 00:59:28,498 Playing those instruments. 1073 00:59:28,532 --> 00:59:30,034 Goddamn it. 1074 00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:32,336 Somebody starts playing the saxophone for the first time. 1075 00:59:32,369 --> 00:59:35,806 Well, they want it to sound like John Coltrane. 1076 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,408 Well, they're not gonna sound like John Coltrane. 1077 00:59:38,442 --> 00:59:40,544 That's what made me so mad. 1078 00:59:40,577 --> 00:59:43,180 They thought they would just because they wanted to. 1079 00:59:43,213 --> 00:59:44,214 But you don't. 1080 00:59:44,248 --> 00:59:45,783 It takes practice. 1081 00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:53,958 Here's Babbs' friend from Vietnam who rolls in. 1082 00:59:58,763 --> 00:59:59,897 Ah, pleased to meet you, sir. 1083 00:59:59,930 --> 01:00:01,365 Yes indeed, it's been quite some time. 1084 01:00:01,398 --> 01:00:02,432 "Toodle-dy doodle-dy." 1085 01:00:02,466 --> 01:00:04,501 Oh yes, it's a little strange since 1086 01:00:04,534 --> 01:00:06,036 the Corps, don't you think ? 1087 01:00:06,070 --> 01:00:08,372 I've changed my uniform slightly 1088 01:00:08,405 --> 01:00:12,777 and this is my new battalion, yes, quite. 1089 01:00:15,079 --> 01:00:17,514 Yeah, we've given up helicopters. 1090 01:00:17,547 --> 01:00:20,350 Most of these guys can only fly at night. 1091 01:00:20,384 --> 01:00:22,519 So we've given up helicopters and we now travel by bus. 1092 01:00:22,552 --> 01:00:24,121 It's slower but more deliberate. 1093 01:00:27,591 --> 01:00:31,896 We must press onward at all forward speed, fast. 1094 01:00:31,929 --> 01:00:34,098 Ahead fast lake. 1095 01:00:36,066 --> 01:00:37,935 Tennis anyone... 1096 01:00:40,270 --> 01:00:41,571 Where in the hell are we ? 1097 01:00:41,605 --> 01:00:43,774 Well, now John, John Babbs. 1098 01:00:43,808 --> 01:00:47,077 John Babbs became kind of the semi-quasi navigator, 1099 01:00:47,111 --> 01:00:49,079 and became known as "Sometimes Missing," 1100 01:00:49,113 --> 01:00:52,382 because one time when he was mapping us through one town, 1101 01:00:52,416 --> 01:00:53,751 we went through another 1102 01:00:53,784 --> 01:00:56,420 and when everybody got off the bus to take a leak, 1103 01:00:56,453 --> 01:00:57,755 and went on again, 1104 01:00:57,788 --> 01:00:59,089 he wasn't there and nobody noticed it 'til about 1105 01:00:59,123 --> 01:01:01,391 100 miles later. 1106 01:01:01,425 --> 01:01:03,794 But then as we turned around to go pick him up, 1107 01:01:03,828 --> 01:01:05,429 here came a car and he jumped out. 1108 01:01:05,462 --> 01:01:07,264 He had hitchhiked and caught up with us. 1109 01:01:07,297 --> 01:01:10,400 John Babbs was in the backseat waving his arms like this 1110 01:01:10,434 --> 01:01:12,136 and trying to get our attention. 1111 01:01:12,169 --> 01:01:15,272 So we pulled over and picked him up. 1112 01:01:15,305 --> 01:01:18,508 That's how he got the name "Sometimes Missing." 1113 01:01:20,310 --> 01:01:22,412 * Well 1114 01:01:22,446 --> 01:01:25,482 * You know you took my heart * 1115 01:01:27,184 --> 01:01:28,685 Welcome to New Jersey. 1116 01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:31,321 Speed 50. 1117 01:01:31,355 --> 01:01:32,556 New Jersey Turnpike. 1118 01:01:45,702 --> 01:01:47,604 In a way, Cassady saw himself 1119 01:01:47,637 --> 01:01:50,340 as a guardian of that trip, and he was. 1120 01:01:50,374 --> 01:01:54,144 He was driving, but he was not masterminding the situation. 1121 01:01:54,178 --> 01:01:56,180 That was Kesey's trip. 1122 01:02:05,422 --> 01:02:07,324 People following him all the time, 1123 01:02:07,357 --> 01:02:11,996 egging him on to greater heights of self-indulgence. 1124 01:02:12,029 --> 01:02:13,964 And he always did it, 1125 01:02:13,998 --> 01:02:16,400 he always tried to be more of this hero 1126 01:02:16,433 --> 01:02:22,172 that was this self-indulgent, "On the Road" epic legend. 1127 01:02:24,909 --> 01:02:26,410 Yes, sir. 1128 01:02:26,443 --> 01:02:28,012 License and registration. 1129 01:02:28,045 --> 01:02:30,147 Of course ! 1130 01:02:30,180 --> 01:02:31,415 Where you heading ? 1131 01:02:31,448 --> 01:02:33,183 I think it's Madison Avenue. 1132 01:02:33,217 --> 01:02:35,385 We all learned a great deal from Neal Cassady. 1133 01:02:35,419 --> 01:02:37,354 This is a guy that knows what he's doing 1134 01:02:37,387 --> 01:02:40,524 and this is his medium. 1135 01:02:40,557 --> 01:02:44,361 It's words, it's cars, and it's drugs. 1136 01:02:44,394 --> 01:02:45,996 Yes, sir, and that's why-- Back on the bus. 1137 01:02:46,030 --> 01:02:48,065 Everybody get back on the bus ! 1138 01:02:48,098 --> 01:02:49,766 I don't wanna see anybody out here. 1139 01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,336 We could all do making noise, hitting sticks together, 1140 01:02:52,369 --> 01:02:55,906 but to be able to use the most advanced of instruments, 1141 01:02:55,940 --> 01:02:57,674 which is our mind and our voice. 1142 01:02:57,707 --> 01:03:01,078 Cassady could do it better than anybody, using words. 1143 01:03:11,155 --> 01:03:13,891 * Love Potion #9 1144 01:03:22,566 --> 01:03:24,401 He was like a bus driver coming into his land. 1145 01:03:24,434 --> 01:03:26,036 You know, he'd spent a lot of time in the East, 1146 01:03:26,070 --> 01:03:27,938 he wasn't from New York, he was from Denver, 1147 01:03:27,972 --> 01:03:29,539 but he'd spent a lot of time back there, 1148 01:03:29,573 --> 01:03:32,609 y'know, back in the days with Kerouac and Ginsberg 1149 01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:34,444 and those guys and, you know, 1150 01:03:34,478 --> 01:03:36,046 I think he first learned how to drive 1151 01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:38,282 as a parking-lot attendant in New York, as a matter of fact. 1152 01:03:38,315 --> 01:03:40,650 * I held my nose I closed my eyes * 1153 01:03:40,684 --> 01:03:42,752 * I took a drink 1154 01:03:42,786 --> 01:03:46,156 * I didn't know if it was day or night * 1155 01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:49,793 * I started kissing everything in sight * 1156 01:03:49,826 --> 01:03:53,497 * But when I kissed a cop down at 34th and Vine * 1157 01:03:53,530 --> 01:03:55,832 * He broke my little bottle * 1158 01:03:55,866 --> 01:03:58,702 * Of Love Potion #9... 1159 01:04:02,772 --> 01:04:05,809 I lost Love Potion #9. 1160 01:04:05,842 --> 01:04:08,145 Look, there's the Empire State Building, dead ahead. 1161 01:04:08,178 --> 01:04:10,280 Seven miles, five miles-- 1162 01:04:10,314 --> 01:04:13,183 seven-- possibility-- seven miles, Empire. 1163 01:04:13,217 --> 01:04:14,684 Manhattan on your right. 1164 01:04:14,718 --> 01:04:16,453 Well, coming into New York was exciting 1165 01:04:16,486 --> 01:04:18,755 because that was our destination. 1166 01:04:18,788 --> 01:04:20,524 Welcome to the Bronx. 1167 01:04:20,557 --> 01:04:23,527 I was there, this was it. 1168 01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,030 I'd made it to New York. 1169 01:04:26,063 --> 01:04:28,798 What an unnatural environment when you look at New York, 1170 01:04:28,832 --> 01:04:31,201 with the streets and the cars. 1171 01:04:33,470 --> 01:04:37,107 * Love Potion #9 1172 01:04:37,141 --> 01:04:39,476 * Love Potion #9 * 1173 01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:41,511 We are the Merry Band of Pranksters. 1174 01:04:48,818 --> 01:04:51,455 When we went into New York City, we were all on top of the bus 1175 01:04:51,488 --> 01:04:54,391 playing instruments and tootling around to everybody. 1176 01:04:54,424 --> 01:04:56,660 It was a lot of fun interacting with the people. 1177 01:05:00,064 --> 01:05:01,531 * You may have heard of jalopies * 1178 01:05:01,565 --> 01:05:03,467 * You've heard the noise they make * 1179 01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:06,370 * But let me introduce my new Rocket 88 * 1180 01:05:06,403 --> 01:05:08,138 * Yes it's great 1181 01:05:08,172 --> 01:05:09,706 * Just won't wait 1182 01:05:09,739 --> 01:05:12,542 * Everybody likes my Rocket 88 * 1183 01:05:12,576 --> 01:05:14,344 * Baby we'll ride in style * 1184 01:05:14,378 --> 01:05:16,580 * Movin' all along 1185 01:05:17,781 --> 01:05:20,484 it pulled up in New York,s when 1186 01:05:20,517 --> 01:05:21,952 and we'd drive all over New York. 1187 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:25,355 It sure felt like you were in an aquarium 1188 01:05:25,389 --> 01:05:26,856 on the other side of the glass. 1189 01:05:33,397 --> 01:05:37,934 The public always grinned when they saw that bus. 1190 01:05:37,968 --> 01:05:41,171 It's like kids when they see an Easter egg. 1191 01:05:41,205 --> 01:05:42,506 It's simple. 1192 01:05:42,539 --> 01:05:44,708 There it is, it's colored, it's an egg. 1193 01:05:44,741 --> 01:05:47,744 Nobody felt the slightest bit threatened by it. 1194 01:05:51,915 --> 01:05:54,118 Ken really believed that things could be changed, 1195 01:05:54,151 --> 01:05:56,420 that consciousness could be changed. 1196 01:05:56,453 --> 01:06:00,057 He saw himself as a kind of liberator for the generation 1197 01:06:00,090 --> 01:06:03,627 and he saw the bus trip as a kind of going to New York, 1198 01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:06,963 a kind of, you know, Napoleon goes to Paris. 1199 01:06:16,173 --> 01:06:20,477 The best the bus ever was was when we drove through Harlem 1200 01:06:20,510 --> 01:06:24,448 and had all these people running out and following us along 1201 01:06:24,481 --> 01:06:26,650 in Harlem, all these kids. 1202 01:06:31,821 --> 01:06:34,324 Some two weeks later, the bus has somehow managed 1203 01:06:34,358 --> 01:06:36,626 to get across the country and, once again, 1204 01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:38,095 you encountered the bus. 1205 01:06:38,128 --> 01:06:40,997 Yes, 1239 Madison Avenue 1206 01:06:41,031 --> 01:06:43,500 was where this apartment was that I knew about. 1207 01:06:43,533 --> 01:06:45,835 The next morning, the Pranksters showed up. 1208 01:06:45,869 --> 01:06:48,438 And they all came in, 1209 01:06:48,472 --> 01:06:52,008 with about 500 pounds of equipment. 1210 01:06:52,042 --> 01:06:54,078 I mean, they just had wires 1211 01:06:54,111 --> 01:06:56,613 and cameras and lights 1212 01:06:56,646 --> 01:06:58,982 and it was instantly strewn 1213 01:06:59,015 --> 01:07:00,784 from one end of the apartment to the other. 1214 01:07:05,855 --> 01:07:07,457 It looked like the bus ! 1215 01:07:07,491 --> 01:07:10,594 It looked like the inside of the bus. 1216 01:07:10,627 --> 01:07:13,930 And so that night, there was this fantastic party 1217 01:07:13,963 --> 01:07:15,865 that got sort of out of hand 1218 01:07:15,899 --> 01:07:18,168 and the poor doorman kept coming up and saying 1219 01:07:18,202 --> 01:07:19,436 everybody was complaining 1220 01:07:19,469 --> 01:07:21,471 and it went on and on and on and on. 1221 01:07:25,675 --> 01:07:28,345 And everybody was very excited that Kerouac was there, 1222 01:07:28,378 --> 01:07:32,015 and he was getting really drunk, and Ginsberg came. 1223 01:07:33,049 --> 01:07:35,352 generation best minds of my 1224 01:07:35,385 --> 01:07:37,287 "destroyed by madness, 1225 01:07:37,321 --> 01:07:40,324 "starving, hysterical, naked, 1226 01:07:40,357 --> 01:07:43,059 "dragging themselves through the Negro streets at dawn 1227 01:07:43,093 --> 01:07:45,028 looking for an angry fix..." 1228 01:07:45,061 --> 01:07:46,996 Ginsberg is like a sponge. 1229 01:07:47,030 --> 01:07:49,199 He can sop up all our poisons. 1230 01:07:49,233 --> 01:07:50,567 I bought the record "Howl," 1231 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,836 and he was kind of like a folk singer, to me, 1232 01:07:52,869 --> 01:07:53,970 more than a poet. 1233 01:07:54,003 --> 01:07:55,705 I knew the sound of him reading 1234 01:07:55,739 --> 01:07:57,907 before I read any of his stuff. 1235 01:07:57,941 --> 01:08:00,410 "... sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness 1236 01:08:00,444 --> 01:08:01,978 "of cold water flats 1237 01:08:02,011 --> 01:08:05,415 floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz..." 1238 01:08:05,449 --> 01:08:07,851 And when we headed off in the bus, 1239 01:08:07,884 --> 01:08:11,421 it was only natural that we should head to New York 1240 01:08:11,455 --> 01:08:14,524 and try to find Ginsberg and Kerouac. 1241 01:08:16,393 --> 01:08:18,528 Unfortunately, it wasn't like meeting the author, 1242 01:08:18,562 --> 01:08:20,063 it was more like, 1243 01:08:20,096 --> 01:08:23,032 see if we can get him to respond to our antics. 1244 01:08:23,066 --> 01:08:25,068 Which didn't happen. 1245 01:08:25,101 --> 01:08:28,138 He was not enthused with our craziness. 1246 01:08:30,274 --> 01:08:32,576 The thing you gotta realize about Kerouac, 1247 01:08:32,609 --> 01:08:35,078 it was like he was already sort of an old guy 1248 01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:36,680 and kind of out of it. 1249 01:08:36,713 --> 01:08:39,115 He was already crystallized. 1250 01:08:39,149 --> 01:08:41,318 He was kind of a sad character. 1251 01:08:45,555 --> 01:08:49,926 We had been accepted by the old gunfighters. 1252 01:08:49,959 --> 01:08:53,630 You know, this was the real heavies in our mythologies: 1253 01:08:53,663 --> 01:08:56,233 Kerouac, Cassady, Ginsberg. 1254 01:08:57,501 --> 01:08:59,203 Neal was more on the right track 1255 01:08:59,236 --> 01:09:02,472 when he got started with the Beat movement. 1256 01:09:02,506 --> 01:09:06,810 Kerouac and I met him in '45, so he was only 20 then, 1257 01:09:06,843 --> 01:09:08,278 and within that year, 1258 01:09:08,312 --> 01:09:12,449 he and I had a romance that lasted-- on and off for-- 1259 01:09:12,482 --> 01:09:15,319 Well, 'til, at least I think the last time 1260 01:09:15,352 --> 01:09:17,053 we were in bed together was '66, 1261 01:09:17,086 --> 01:09:19,323 so that's 21 years. 1262 01:09:19,356 --> 01:09:21,791 I got a whole theory about this man. 1263 01:09:21,825 --> 01:09:24,228 What he was was the real smart Catholic boy 1264 01:09:24,261 --> 01:09:26,996 who got sucked up by Kerouac. 1265 01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:30,834 But he was real poetic, like all these Irish Catholics are, 1266 01:09:30,867 --> 01:09:34,070 and he got in with some poets and he got aspirations 1267 01:09:34,103 --> 01:09:36,773 and somebody plants a little seed of how great you could be 1268 01:09:36,806 --> 01:09:41,110 because you're so great, so-- so sexy, so poetic. 1269 01:09:41,144 --> 01:09:42,646 He fell in love with that idea, 1270 01:09:42,679 --> 01:09:45,815 which was something he couldn't possibly achieve. 1271 01:09:45,849 --> 01:09:48,485 So then he was split between the two worlds. 1272 01:09:48,518 --> 01:09:52,155 He couldn't create anything for himself. 1273 01:09:52,188 --> 01:09:56,025 He couldn't get it together with a lady and have a good family. 1274 01:09:56,059 --> 01:09:59,128 He couldn't go off and be a faggot with Ginsberg. 1275 01:09:59,162 --> 01:10:01,331 He couldn't be anything. 1276 01:10:01,365 --> 01:10:05,369 It's an exact mimicry of Ginsberg 20 years ago. 1277 01:10:05,402 --> 01:10:07,203 Ginsberg used to be wild. 1278 01:10:07,237 --> 01:10:08,972 Ginsberg's so cool now. 1279 01:10:09,005 --> 01:10:11,174 He used to run over Columbian rooftops 1280 01:10:11,207 --> 01:10:14,010 waving genitals and manuscripts. 1281 01:10:14,043 --> 01:10:16,446 The whole point of the trip, supposedly-- 1282 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:17,681 at least in the beginning-- 1283 01:10:17,714 --> 01:10:19,583 was that everyone was gonna go to the fair. 1284 01:10:21,585 --> 01:10:23,853 All the Pranksters were so excited. 1285 01:10:23,887 --> 01:10:25,455 This day, we drove to the fair, 1286 01:10:25,489 --> 01:10:29,125 and it was like the hottest 29th of June that ever had been. 1287 01:10:29,158 --> 01:10:32,662 the world is coming to the fair. 1288 01:10:32,696 --> 01:10:34,698 * I made my reservation 1289 01:10:34,731 --> 01:10:36,733 * I'm leaving town tomorrow * 1290 01:10:36,766 --> 01:10:38,702 * I'll find somebody new and * 1291 01:10:38,735 --> 01:10:40,870 * There'll be no more sorrow * 1292 01:10:40,904 --> 01:10:42,406 * That's what I do each time * 1293 01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:44,207 * But I can't follow through * 1294 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,510 * I can't break away 1295 01:10:46,543 --> 01:10:47,844 * Though you make me cry * 1296 01:10:47,877 --> 01:10:50,547 * I can't break away... 1297 01:10:50,580 --> 01:10:53,450 the world of tomorrow. 1298 01:10:57,020 --> 01:10:58,388 Well, see, the whole idea-- 1299 01:10:58,422 --> 01:11:00,023 this is what drove me up the wall-- 1300 01:11:00,056 --> 01:11:02,326 was it was going to be made into a movie 1301 01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:04,428 of everybody running about at the fair. 1302 01:11:04,461 --> 01:11:07,697 Well, nobody kept together, there was nothing to film, 1303 01:11:07,731 --> 01:11:09,566 it was all just so dispersed. 1304 01:11:09,599 --> 01:11:11,501 We lost Sometimes Missing again. 1305 01:11:11,535 --> 01:11:12,936 That's what always happens. 1306 01:11:12,969 --> 01:11:16,005 Ken and Babbs were so manic and so high. 1307 01:11:16,039 --> 01:11:19,743 They drank this vile yellow concoction. 1308 01:11:19,776 --> 01:11:23,380 Swashbuckler, I'll pull out my sword. 1309 01:11:23,413 --> 01:11:25,415 Well, of course the one thing I wanted to see 1310 01:11:25,449 --> 01:11:29,353 was where the water ballet was supposed to happen. 1311 01:11:29,386 --> 01:11:30,720 My whole reason for going to New York 1312 01:11:30,754 --> 01:11:33,690 was to try to locate a job possibility. 1313 01:11:33,723 --> 01:11:35,359 Babbs and I searched, 1314 01:11:35,392 --> 01:11:37,627 and finally found this beautiful pool 1315 01:11:37,661 --> 01:11:41,097 and found out they had cancelled the whole water ballet. 1316 01:11:46,470 --> 01:11:49,138 also take in the exhibitobably 1317 01:11:49,172 --> 01:11:51,441 where the wizardry of modern chemistry 1318 01:11:51,475 --> 01:11:54,544 is presented with entertaining showmanship. 1319 01:11:54,578 --> 01:11:58,147 * Better things for better living through chemistry * 1320 01:11:58,181 --> 01:12:01,385 * For the finer world we want * 1321 01:12:01,418 --> 01:12:04,721 * Better things for better living through chemistry * 1322 01:12:04,754 --> 01:12:09,959 * That's the promise of DuPont ** 1323 01:12:21,805 --> 01:12:24,307 The fair was trippy and great. 1324 01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:27,411 When you're high, the more variety, the better. 1325 01:12:27,444 --> 01:12:31,080 out of this worldtake a journey 1326 01:12:31,114 --> 01:12:33,517 into the world of the future. 1327 01:12:33,550 --> 01:12:37,787 Forget the world around you, forget the people around you. 1328 01:12:37,821 --> 01:12:41,024 You are entering futurama, 1329 01:12:41,057 --> 01:12:43,192 alone with your own thoughts. 1330 01:12:46,896 --> 01:12:51,668 which was a great thing. 1331 01:12:51,701 --> 01:12:55,371 It was a vision of the future of America, 1332 01:12:55,405 --> 01:12:58,341 and I-- Ken saw it that way. 1333 01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,444 The irony is that curved, finned, 1334 01:13:00,477 --> 01:13:02,479 corporate America "Tomorrowland," 1335 01:13:02,512 --> 01:13:06,149 as presented at the 1964 World's Fair, 1336 01:13:06,182 --> 01:13:07,684 was over before it began. 1337 01:13:07,717 --> 01:13:10,454 '64, things were changing. 1338 01:13:10,487 --> 01:13:13,523 We didn't know that World's Fairs were a thing of the past. 1339 01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,062 * I can't break away 1340 01:13:19,095 --> 01:13:20,664 * Though you make me cry * 1341 01:13:20,697 --> 01:13:23,667 * I can't break away... * 1342 01:13:23,700 --> 01:13:27,403 By then, the trip became more important than the destination. 1343 01:13:27,437 --> 01:13:28,738 Never mind where we're going, 1344 01:13:28,772 --> 01:13:29,973 it doesn't make a difference where you're going. 1345 01:13:30,006 --> 01:13:31,475 The whole notion of the trip, 1346 01:13:31,508 --> 01:13:35,144 taking acid trip, came out of that summer. 1347 01:13:35,178 --> 01:13:37,413 The effect is somewhat like looking through a microscope. 1348 01:13:37,447 --> 01:13:39,483 Suddenly, when you look through a microscope, 1349 01:13:39,516 --> 01:13:41,551 you discover that there's an invisible world around you 1350 01:13:41,585 --> 01:13:44,187 that you hadn't known about before you did it. 1351 01:13:44,220 --> 01:13:46,355 The same thing is true of the psychedelic drug. 1352 01:13:46,389 --> 01:13:49,358 * Timothy Leary's dead 1353 01:13:49,392 --> 01:13:51,561 After the disappointment of the World's Fair, 1354 01:13:51,595 --> 01:13:53,863 you headed to Timothy Leary's compound, 1355 01:13:53,897 --> 01:13:57,000 the International Foundation for Internal Freedom. 1356 01:13:57,033 --> 01:13:58,502 Was it called "IFIF" ? 1357 01:13:58,535 --> 01:13:59,836 IFIF. 1358 01:13:59,869 --> 01:14:02,906 It was like a 4,000-acre farm outside of Poughkeepsie 1359 01:14:02,939 --> 01:14:05,408 in Millbrook, New York. 1360 01:14:05,441 --> 01:14:08,211 We teach people how to turn on, 1361 01:14:08,244 --> 01:14:09,846 or how to go out of their minds. 1362 01:14:09,879 --> 01:14:14,684 By "turn on," we mean tune in, to get beyond 1363 01:14:14,718 --> 01:14:17,687 your routine ways of thinking 1364 01:14:17,721 --> 01:14:19,422 and acting and experiencing. 1365 01:14:19,455 --> 01:14:21,457 * Timothy Leary's dead 1366 01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:24,393 Ginsberg is the one that set it all up 1367 01:14:24,427 --> 01:14:26,362 because he knew those guys at IFIF 1368 01:14:26,395 --> 01:14:29,465 and he thought it would be a great opportunity 1369 01:14:29,499 --> 01:14:30,534 for us to meet each other. 1370 01:14:30,567 --> 01:14:33,302 It was like the West Coast acidheads 1371 01:14:33,336 --> 01:14:35,271 meeting the East Coast acidheads 1372 01:14:35,304 --> 01:14:37,473 and having a powwow. 1373 01:14:37,507 --> 01:14:39,408 We pulled into their scene, 1374 01:14:39,442 --> 01:14:42,111 making a lot of noise, we set off these smoke grenades. 1375 01:14:42,145 --> 01:14:43,212 Smoke-bomb delight. 1376 01:14:43,246 --> 01:14:44,548 Smoke-bomb delight. 1377 01:14:44,581 --> 01:14:48,084 Pranksters at the very castle. 1378 01:14:50,319 --> 01:14:53,256 And I have to inform you, just what's exactly going on ? 1379 01:14:53,289 --> 01:14:55,959 We're high and they're coming down is what's going on. 1380 01:14:59,028 --> 01:15:01,931 after a tripat quiet time 1381 01:15:01,965 --> 01:15:04,300 when you just want to be very mellow 1382 01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:10,006 and up drives the bus with these speed freaks, 1383 01:15:10,039 --> 01:15:15,311 and they come to have fun and play with flutes and-- 1384 01:15:15,344 --> 01:15:18,281 everybody in the house took one look and fled, 1385 01:15:18,314 --> 01:15:20,650 leaving me to welcome them. 1386 01:15:22,819 --> 01:15:24,621 * So raise your glass we'll drink a toast * 1387 01:15:24,654 --> 01:15:28,692 * To the little man who sells you thrills along the pier * 1388 01:15:28,725 --> 01:15:30,359 The whole Millbrook scene, 1389 01:15:30,393 --> 01:15:33,496 it was just the other end of the same stick, I think. 1390 01:15:33,529 --> 01:15:36,165 We were "scuffy" and didn't have much money 1391 01:15:36,199 --> 01:15:39,969 and pulled into this mansion, which was upper crust. 1392 01:15:40,003 --> 01:15:41,537 We felt a kinship to them, 1393 01:15:41,571 --> 01:15:44,708 but we could also tell that they were wishing that we'd leave. 1394 01:15:44,741 --> 01:15:47,143 What everybody anticipated didn't turn out, 1395 01:15:47,176 --> 01:15:49,445 it kind of fizzled. 1396 01:15:49,478 --> 01:15:53,983 We waited all day for Leary to show up and he just avoided us. 1397 01:15:54,017 --> 01:15:56,319 And then he sort of disappeared with Cassady, 1398 01:15:56,352 --> 01:15:59,322 and Cassady went upstairs and hung out with-- 1399 01:15:59,355 --> 01:16:01,357 They didn't want us to go upstairs. 1400 01:16:07,230 --> 01:16:08,698 Alpert was very friendly. 1401 01:16:08,732 --> 01:16:10,533 He was there. 1402 01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:12,335 Just listening to Alpert talk, man, 1403 01:16:12,368 --> 01:16:15,404 it seemed like he was a fucking crazy man. 1404 01:16:15,438 --> 01:16:19,175 All of my games were, like, going off into the distance. 1405 01:16:19,208 --> 01:16:20,677 I got this terrible panic 1406 01:16:20,710 --> 01:16:24,480 because, indeed, I was going to cease to exist. 1407 01:16:24,513 --> 01:16:27,350 And I got the panic which is the panic that precedes 1408 01:16:27,383 --> 01:16:28,885 the psychological death, 1409 01:16:28,918 --> 01:16:31,054 because indeed Richard Alpert was dying. 1410 01:16:31,087 --> 01:16:34,357 These people scared the shit out of me, man. 1411 01:16:34,390 --> 01:16:36,926 They were very clinical and controlled 1412 01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,395 and we were really free-form. 1413 01:16:39,428 --> 01:16:42,465 We were the explorers and they were the scientists. 1414 01:16:47,203 --> 01:16:50,339 And so we just entertained ourselves at this waterfall. 1415 01:16:50,373 --> 01:16:52,341 * Shake it up baby now * 1416 01:16:52,375 --> 01:16:54,277 * Shake it up baby 1417 01:16:54,310 --> 01:16:55,779 * Twist and shout 1418 01:16:55,812 --> 01:16:58,181 * Come on and twist and shout * 1419 01:16:58,214 --> 01:17:00,116 * Come on baby now 1420 01:17:00,149 --> 01:17:01,384 * Come on baby 1421 01:17:01,417 --> 01:17:02,786 * Come on and work it... 1422 01:17:02,819 --> 01:17:04,921 And that's where Kathy Van Leeuwen got her nickname, 1423 01:17:04,954 --> 01:17:06,956 "Sensuous Experience." 1424 01:17:06,990 --> 01:17:09,425 Sensuous X, yes, I remember her well. 1425 01:17:09,458 --> 01:17:12,395 Her name was implied in her very baring, 1426 01:17:12,428 --> 01:17:16,132 that is to say her bodily example. 1427 01:17:16,165 --> 01:17:18,702 Kathy was Zonker's girlfriend in college 1428 01:17:18,735 --> 01:17:20,303 and that's why Zonker went on the trip. 1429 01:17:22,806 --> 01:17:24,107 Sensuous. 1430 01:17:24,140 --> 01:17:25,608 Oh my God, look at her. 1431 01:17:25,641 --> 01:17:28,144 Oh, she's so much like Marilyn Monroe, right ? 1432 01:17:28,177 --> 01:17:30,579 * Come on, come on come on baby now * 1433 01:17:30,613 --> 01:17:32,415 * Come on baby * 1434 01:17:32,448 --> 01:17:33,950 Now I'm wondering at this point 1435 01:17:33,983 --> 01:17:35,151 whether my girlfriend has been 1436 01:17:35,184 --> 01:17:37,086 having sex with these people or not. 1437 01:17:38,487 --> 01:17:41,290 And that's the point at which Kesey started flirting with her, 1438 01:17:41,324 --> 01:17:43,092 trying to get her attention, 1439 01:17:43,126 --> 01:17:45,228 and he did get her attention. 1440 01:17:45,261 --> 01:17:47,296 * Have you 1441 01:17:47,330 --> 01:17:50,566 * Ever heard the story about * 1442 01:17:50,599 --> 01:17:53,336 * Peggy the pistol ? 1443 01:17:53,369 --> 01:17:56,472 He says, "All my dope is yours," as he's fucking my girlfriend. 1444 01:17:56,505 --> 01:17:57,941 Thanks, Kesey. 1445 01:17:57,974 --> 01:18:00,509 I wanted to get out of New York as quick as possible, 1446 01:18:00,543 --> 01:18:01,677 and I was basically telling her that 1447 01:18:01,711 --> 01:18:04,413 she could get on the bus, but I was gone. 1448 01:18:04,447 --> 01:18:06,282 But then I realized that I really didn't want to 1449 01:18:06,315 --> 01:18:07,784 leave her with all these fuckers. 1450 01:18:12,621 --> 01:18:15,792 When they were getting ready to leave town, I had to decide, 1451 01:18:15,825 --> 01:18:19,863 you know, was I gonna stay or was I gonna go ? 1452 01:18:19,896 --> 01:18:22,932 At that point, I was still planning on staying to work. 1453 01:18:22,966 --> 01:18:24,367 It didn't work out that way. 1454 01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:26,469 I got sucked into the Prankster scene 1455 01:18:26,502 --> 01:18:29,305 too much, too heavily. 1456 01:18:29,338 --> 01:18:31,307 So I stayed on the bus. 1457 01:18:33,209 --> 01:18:35,178 I wasn't there on the way back. 1458 01:18:35,211 --> 01:18:37,346 I was so happy to be off of it. 1459 01:18:45,188 --> 01:18:48,291 Coming back's a whole 'nother trip. 1460 01:18:48,324 --> 01:18:51,861 Cassady, he didn't come back with us. 1461 01:18:51,895 --> 01:18:54,497 The trip across was basically 1462 01:18:54,530 --> 01:18:57,566 lengths of Neal's driving consciousness, 1463 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,135 and then on the way back, 1464 01:18:59,168 --> 01:19:01,905 suddenly the driving duties were thrust upon the rest of us. 1465 01:19:04,107 --> 01:19:08,211 Everybody took turns, the guys anyway. 1466 01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:17,020 That was on the way back. 1467 01:19:17,053 --> 01:19:20,423 We just started driving the bus down this abandoned dirt road 1468 01:19:20,456 --> 01:19:23,259 and ended up at this incredible lake 1469 01:19:23,292 --> 01:19:25,361 and there was nobody there but us. 1470 01:19:30,433 --> 01:19:34,403 We decided we wanted to find a spot to take IT-290. 1471 01:19:35,704 --> 01:19:37,373 Well, IT-290 was famous. 1472 01:19:37,406 --> 01:19:41,377 That's the Rolls-Royce of psychedelics. 1473 01:19:41,410 --> 01:19:43,880 Kesey had stolen a jar. 1474 01:19:43,913 --> 01:19:47,650 He claimed it was the last jar of IT-290 on the planet. 1475 01:19:50,153 --> 01:19:52,288 And so he wanted a very special place 1476 01:19:52,321 --> 01:19:53,990 for everybody to take it. 1477 01:19:58,327 --> 01:20:01,364 So we built a little fire and made a little campground 1478 01:20:01,397 --> 01:20:05,568 and popped the IT-290 and had the trip. 1479 01:20:13,342 --> 01:20:16,913 Oh, it was wonderful, it was even better than acid. 1480 01:20:16,946 --> 01:20:20,383 It's a hallucinogen, but very calm. 1481 01:20:20,416 --> 01:20:23,619 Acid can have a hard edge to it sometimes, 1482 01:20:23,652 --> 01:20:25,955 but this is very calming. 1483 01:20:29,358 --> 01:20:31,327 Colors very vivid. 1484 01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:33,129 It was very communal, 1485 01:20:33,162 --> 01:20:35,932 in that you felt connected to everybody. 1486 01:20:44,373 --> 01:20:47,643 I thought that this was as American as you could get, 1487 01:20:47,676 --> 01:20:50,679 because we were exploring a new territory, 1488 01:20:50,713 --> 01:20:53,149 just the same way we went to the moon 1489 01:20:53,182 --> 01:20:58,521 or sent Lewis and Clark expedition here to Oregon. 1490 01:20:58,554 --> 01:21:01,624 It was part of our American personality. 1491 01:21:01,657 --> 01:21:03,993 You find a cave, 1492 01:21:04,027 --> 01:21:06,529 nobody's been in it, you go in it. 1493 01:21:06,562 --> 01:21:08,431 You try to go down deeper into the ocean 1494 01:21:08,464 --> 01:21:09,865 and up higher in the sky 1495 01:21:09,899 --> 01:21:14,537 and these drugs were opening a door to new landscapes. 1496 01:21:16,472 --> 01:21:17,941 Once you're through that door 1497 01:21:17,974 --> 01:21:21,110 and you look out into this vast room 1498 01:21:21,144 --> 01:21:24,981 with all these windows onto new vistas, 1499 01:21:25,014 --> 01:21:27,150 you become tremendously excited 1500 01:21:27,183 --> 01:21:31,354 and want to do what you can to explore it, 1501 01:21:31,387 --> 01:21:32,989 because you could look around and you saw 1502 01:21:33,022 --> 01:21:34,657 that there weren't human footprints 1503 01:21:34,690 --> 01:21:36,225 all over this landscape. 1504 01:21:40,563 --> 01:21:44,233 * I saw her standing on the corner * 1505 01:21:44,267 --> 01:21:47,336 How did the dynamics on the bus change 1506 01:21:47,370 --> 01:21:50,206 when some of the wives joined the trip back ? 1507 01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:52,208 At one point, it got all couples. 1508 01:21:52,241 --> 01:21:53,909 At one point, there were 14 of us on the bus, 1509 01:21:53,943 --> 01:21:55,411 seven men and seven women. 1510 01:21:55,444 --> 01:21:56,745 Lots of them were married, 1511 01:21:56,779 --> 01:21:58,847 but not to the person that they were coupling with. 1512 01:22:03,119 --> 01:22:05,354 I remember one morning we woke up and everybody was fucking, 1513 01:22:05,388 --> 01:22:06,655 the whole bus was shaking. 1514 01:22:06,689 --> 01:22:08,257 * You're the one you're the one * 1515 01:22:08,291 --> 01:22:09,325 * You're the one 1516 01:22:09,358 --> 01:22:10,726 * You're the one 1517 01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:12,461 * Young girl 1518 01:22:15,031 --> 01:22:16,399 * Young girl 1519 01:22:16,432 --> 01:22:18,701 It got a lot heavier on the way back. 1520 01:22:18,734 --> 01:22:21,070 That was fervor-pitch stuff. 1521 01:22:21,104 --> 01:22:22,505 I think I talked with Kesey about our 1522 01:22:22,538 --> 01:22:24,940 fucking strange situation. 1523 01:22:24,974 --> 01:22:26,375 The thing was weird, man, 1524 01:22:26,409 --> 01:22:28,511 but you couldn't be mad at him. 1525 01:22:28,544 --> 01:22:32,248 He was really compassionate. 1526 01:22:32,281 --> 01:22:33,782 I liked Sensuous, 1527 01:22:33,816 --> 01:22:35,584 and that was the most difficult part is, 1528 01:22:35,618 --> 01:22:37,186 having been lovers, 1529 01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:40,423 not being lovers anymore and continuing to be friends. 1530 01:22:40,456 --> 01:22:43,426 * I can't get you out of my mind ** 1531 01:22:57,306 --> 01:22:59,242 The thing that creates problems 1532 01:22:59,275 --> 01:23:02,978 in all those husband-and-wife triangle situations 1533 01:23:03,012 --> 01:23:06,582 is everybody's hang-up with their own attachment 1534 01:23:06,615 --> 01:23:09,585 to some kind of belief of the way it ought to be. 1535 01:23:23,632 --> 01:23:27,670 When I came through Yellowstone Park with this bus, 1536 01:23:27,703 --> 01:23:29,305 I saw a sign that said, 1537 01:23:29,338 --> 01:23:32,108 "Beware of the Bear," 1538 01:23:32,141 --> 01:23:35,144 and something clicked when I saw this and I thought, 1539 01:23:35,178 --> 01:23:36,612 "There's the problem. 1540 01:23:36,645 --> 01:23:40,183 "There's the whole hang-up that stops me from writing, 1541 01:23:40,216 --> 01:23:43,286 "stops people from singing, stops people from living. 1542 01:23:43,319 --> 01:23:45,854 "Beware of the Bear. 1543 01:23:45,888 --> 01:23:48,257 "What did that used to mean ? 1544 01:23:48,291 --> 01:23:50,693 "It used to mean be aware of the bear, 1545 01:23:50,726 --> 01:23:52,628 now it means be scared of it." 1546 01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,303 This little piece of knowledge, 1547 01:24:00,336 --> 01:24:02,471 you can plug it into any person 1548 01:24:02,505 --> 01:24:05,341 who is now being hassled with the way the world is changing. 1549 01:24:05,374 --> 01:24:07,410 Goldwater and his bunch are scared. 1550 01:24:08,811 --> 01:24:11,280 That extremism... 1551 01:24:11,314 --> 01:24:15,718 in the defense of liberty is no vice. 1552 01:24:15,751 --> 01:24:19,722 There's something happening that is scaring these people. 1553 01:24:19,755 --> 01:24:22,525 Which means that something is happening that is so new, 1554 01:24:22,558 --> 01:24:25,461 they're scared beyond any powers of reasoning. 1555 01:24:25,494 --> 01:24:27,363 Eight, nine... 1556 01:24:27,396 --> 01:24:30,899 Ten, nine, eight, seven, 1557 01:24:30,933 --> 01:24:34,570 six, five, four, three, 1558 01:24:34,603 --> 01:24:37,506 two, one, zero. 1559 01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:43,879 These are the stakes. 1560 01:24:43,912 --> 01:24:48,384 To make a world in which all of God's children can live 1561 01:24:48,417 --> 01:24:51,187 or to go into the dark. 1562 01:24:51,220 --> 01:24:54,723 We must either love each other 1563 01:24:54,757 --> 01:24:56,892 or we must die. 1564 01:24:56,925 --> 01:25:00,163 on November 3rd.nt Johnson 1565 01:25:00,196 --> 01:25:02,465 The stakes are too high for you to stay home. 1566 01:25:29,225 --> 01:25:32,127 All the themes of my work have to do with America, 1567 01:25:32,161 --> 01:25:34,530 traveling across this land, 1568 01:25:34,563 --> 01:25:36,465 coming to this edge and then what ? 1569 01:25:54,783 --> 01:25:59,522 Light membranes have passed into an oxygenation state. 1570 01:26:00,656 --> 01:26:03,459 After we got back to La Honda, after the bus trip, 1571 01:26:03,492 --> 01:26:05,394 we had a very purposeful ritual 1572 01:26:05,428 --> 01:26:07,396 to get out from under this bus thing. 1573 01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:08,631 We took all of our bus clothes 1574 01:26:08,664 --> 01:26:10,399 and put them in a pile and set fire to them, 1575 01:26:10,433 --> 01:26:11,767 because I wanted to be done with it, 1576 01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:13,135 I wanted to get back to business. 1577 01:26:13,168 --> 01:26:15,304 I had books to write and kids to raise. 1578 01:26:15,338 --> 01:26:17,740 But it wouldn't die. 1579 01:26:17,773 --> 01:26:19,342 People just kept coming around. 1580 01:26:19,375 --> 01:26:21,744 Like little jackrabbits gaily crossing 1581 01:26:21,777 --> 01:26:23,412 the pasture that morning, so-- 1582 01:26:23,446 --> 01:26:25,448 What happened with us, we were making that movie 1583 01:26:25,481 --> 01:26:27,516 and pretty soon on Saturdays when we showed it, 1584 01:26:27,550 --> 01:26:29,752 people were coming to see what it was. 1585 01:26:29,785 --> 01:26:31,420 And the red barn and the kids on the beach 1586 01:26:31,454 --> 01:26:33,289 in the stream saying... 1587 01:26:33,322 --> 01:26:35,324 We really didn't project it until I'd finished editing it, 1588 01:26:35,358 --> 01:26:37,460 reel to reel, in chronological order. 1589 01:26:37,493 --> 01:26:40,363 And we showed it from beginning to end without stopping, 1590 01:26:40,396 --> 01:26:42,231 so 30 hours straight. 1591 01:26:44,667 --> 01:26:46,269 And so, for part of it, 1592 01:26:46,302 --> 01:26:48,036 everybody slept through it, of course. 1593 01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:50,339 Cassady, of course, he took speed, was awake 1594 01:26:50,373 --> 01:26:52,841 and was the one who ended up running the projector 1595 01:26:52,875 --> 01:26:54,543 and talking very softly, 1596 01:26:54,577 --> 01:26:57,313 "And now we're coming to New York." 1597 01:26:57,346 --> 01:26:59,382 Enjoying every second of it. 1598 01:26:59,415 --> 01:27:01,817 But he was the only one awake. 1599 01:27:01,850 --> 01:27:04,520 Absolutely everybody was asleep. 1600 01:27:05,921 --> 01:27:08,491 He's out of his nuts ! 1601 01:27:08,524 --> 01:27:10,659 Every Saturday, they'd come around more and more, 1602 01:27:10,693 --> 01:27:13,962 because we would do these Saturday-night trips. 1603 01:27:13,996 --> 01:27:16,532 And finally, there were just too many coming around. 1604 01:27:16,565 --> 01:27:18,701 I realized, "I gotta get this out of my house 1605 01:27:18,734 --> 01:27:21,036 "because otherwise, then I'll be cleaning up all week long 1606 01:27:21,069 --> 01:27:22,237 for the rest of my life." 1607 01:27:22,271 --> 01:27:24,072 So we just said, "Okay, next time, 1608 01:27:24,106 --> 01:27:27,075 we're gonna do this in Santa Cruz at Babbs' house." 1609 01:27:27,109 --> 01:27:29,044 Which is really the beginning of the acid tests. 1610 01:27:30,012 --> 01:27:33,081 * Everywhere and all of the time * 1611 01:27:33,115 --> 01:27:36,585 * It's bending my mind * 1612 01:27:40,389 --> 01:27:42,358 And then, after that, he said, "I don't want it at my place." 1613 01:27:42,391 --> 01:27:44,760 He said, "Okay, next time we'll do it in San Jose." 1614 01:27:44,793 --> 01:27:48,063 So each time, we just said, 1615 01:27:48,096 --> 01:27:51,834 "Next week, on Saturday, it'll be happening there." 1616 01:27:51,867 --> 01:27:54,603 * I'm flying down deserted streets * 1617 01:27:54,637 --> 01:27:57,340 * Wrapped in mother's winding sheets * 1618 01:27:57,373 --> 01:28:00,409 * Asbestos boots on flaming feet * 1619 01:28:00,443 --> 01:28:02,878 * Dreaming of forbidden treats 1620 01:28:02,911 --> 01:28:06,048 * When uniforms on nighttime beats ask me * 1621 01:28:06,081 --> 01:28:07,516 When we started doing the acid test, 1622 01:28:07,550 --> 01:28:11,787 we took on the Dead as sort of our backup band. 1623 01:28:11,820 --> 01:28:13,021 * I can't come down 1624 01:28:13,055 --> 01:28:14,457 * It's plain to see 1625 01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:16,525 Kesey and the bus, 1626 01:28:16,559 --> 01:28:18,193 they'd been doing outrageous things for quite awhile, 1627 01:28:18,226 --> 01:28:19,595 and had a reputation for it. 1628 01:28:19,628 --> 01:28:21,530 And-- and for us, it seemed like a real interesting thing 1629 01:28:21,564 --> 01:28:22,765 to go and check out. 1630 01:28:29,304 --> 01:28:32,475 * Well someone's trying to tell me where it's at * 1631 01:28:32,508 --> 01:28:35,277 And they were our first and best audience, 1632 01:28:35,310 --> 01:28:36,445 the Pranksters were, you know. 1633 01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:38,381 They were the first ones to get off on us. 1634 01:28:38,414 --> 01:28:40,549 * Little wings like a vampire bat * 1635 01:28:40,583 --> 01:28:43,218 * I fly away to my cold water flat * 1636 01:28:43,251 --> 01:28:44,920 * And eat my way... 1637 01:28:44,953 --> 01:28:47,255 They weren't just playing what was on the music sheets, 1638 01:28:47,289 --> 01:28:49,257 they were playing what was in the air. 1639 01:28:49,291 --> 01:28:50,459 * I can't come down 1640 01:28:50,493 --> 01:28:51,927 * It's plain to see 1641 01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:53,328 * I can't come down 1642 01:28:53,362 --> 01:28:54,930 When the Dead are at their best, 1643 01:28:54,963 --> 01:28:58,100 the vibrations that are stirred up by the audience 1644 01:28:58,133 --> 01:28:59,835 is the music that they play. 1645 01:28:59,868 --> 01:29:03,271 That means that the band has to be supple enough 1646 01:29:03,305 --> 01:29:06,542 to really read the notes written on the wall. 1647 01:29:07,443 --> 01:29:10,513 * They say I've begun to lose my grip * 1648 01:29:10,546 --> 01:29:13,348 * My hold on reality's starting to slip * 1649 01:29:13,382 --> 01:29:15,918 * To tell me to get off of this trip * 1650 01:29:15,951 --> 01:29:19,154 * They say that it's like a sinking ship * 1651 01:29:19,187 --> 01:29:22,124 It moved on from that, exponentially, 1652 01:29:22,157 --> 01:29:25,027 from one place to another place. 1653 01:29:25,060 --> 01:29:26,161 * I can't come down 1654 01:29:26,194 --> 01:29:27,430 * It's plain to see 1655 01:29:27,463 --> 01:29:28,931 * I can't come down 1656 01:29:28,964 --> 01:29:30,933 * I've been set free * 1657 01:29:30,966 --> 01:29:33,368 LSD is a really groovy way to find out more about 1658 01:29:33,402 --> 01:29:34,703 the things around you. 1659 01:29:34,737 --> 01:29:36,972 LSD helps me understand the whole world better. 1660 01:29:37,005 --> 01:29:40,543 LSD helps you to understand your own mind. 1661 01:29:42,377 --> 01:29:44,312 Once Pandora's box is open, 1662 01:29:44,346 --> 01:29:47,149 you can't regulate who gets to use the stuff 1663 01:29:47,182 --> 01:29:48,651 that flies out of it. 1664 01:29:50,218 --> 01:29:52,521 by the problem of LSD.ghtened 1665 01:29:52,555 --> 01:29:55,491 I think there's been a great deal of misinformation 1666 01:29:55,524 --> 01:29:58,326 by those who seem to see no harm in it. 1667 01:29:58,360 --> 01:30:00,328 But as a parent and as a citizen 1668 01:30:00,362 --> 01:30:02,531 and certainly now in this position, 1669 01:30:02,565 --> 01:30:04,667 I am greatly concerned. 1670 01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:07,069 producing weirddrug capable of 1671 01:30:07,102 --> 01:30:08,403 and dangerous hallucinations 1672 01:30:08,437 --> 01:30:10,506 had found its way onto the streets. 1673 01:30:10,539 --> 01:30:12,541 We had to try and stop it. 1674 01:30:17,279 --> 01:30:19,648 The government said, "Stop that experiment. 1675 01:30:19,682 --> 01:30:21,216 "All these guinea pigs that we've sent up there 1676 01:30:21,249 --> 01:30:22,718 "into outer space, bring 'em back down, 1677 01:30:22,751 --> 01:30:24,587 "and don't ever let 'em go back up there again, 1678 01:30:24,620 --> 01:30:26,589 because we don't like the look in their eyes." 1679 01:30:30,358 --> 01:30:33,195 He's clean, Joe, except for these. 1680 01:30:33,228 --> 01:30:34,429 Sugar cubes. 1681 01:30:34,463 --> 01:30:35,598 Maybe your bookie's been dropping that acid 1682 01:30:35,631 --> 01:30:36,665 we've been hearing about. 1683 01:30:36,699 --> 01:30:37,566 Evil ! 1684 01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,702 Evil, evil ! 1685 01:30:39,735 --> 01:30:41,003 All right, come on, son. 1686 01:30:41,036 --> 01:30:42,505 Settle down. 1687 01:30:42,538 --> 01:30:44,840 Oh, no, no... 1688 01:30:44,873 --> 01:30:47,275 whether they want to or not, 1689 01:30:47,309 --> 01:30:48,511 are becoming expert in 1690 01:30:48,544 --> 01:30:50,779 the handling of LSD users in trouble. 1691 01:30:50,813 --> 01:30:51,747 You're gonna be all right. 1692 01:30:51,780 --> 01:30:53,381 I want to get-- 1693 01:30:53,415 --> 01:30:54,750 Some people have a bad experience the first time 1694 01:30:54,783 --> 01:30:56,384 they take the drug. 1695 01:30:56,418 --> 01:30:59,755 Others take it 30, 60, or even 100 times 1696 01:30:59,788 --> 01:31:01,524 before their bad trip. 1697 01:31:01,557 --> 01:31:04,426 And the bad trip: instant insanity. 1698 01:31:04,459 --> 01:31:07,095 Often, a Never Never Land of no return. 1699 01:31:07,129 --> 01:31:09,231 No, no, get away ! 1700 01:31:09,264 --> 01:31:11,366 Some others who take LSD 1701 01:31:11,399 --> 01:31:14,402 will have even more tragic freak-outs. 1702 01:31:14,436 --> 01:31:18,140 Many lose all contact with reality. 1703 01:31:18,173 --> 01:31:20,576 Some forget what height means 1704 01:31:20,609 --> 01:31:23,045 and in a turned-on or euphoric state, 1705 01:31:23,078 --> 01:31:27,382 step or attempt to fly from cliffs and high windows, 1706 01:31:27,415 --> 01:31:29,384 with real-life, 1707 01:31:29,417 --> 01:31:32,487 permanent non-psychedelic results. 1708 01:31:32,521 --> 01:31:34,790 Other trippers attempt to merge 1709 01:31:34,823 --> 01:31:37,860 their beings with large, fast automobiles. 1710 01:31:48,971 --> 01:31:50,739 With all the hype about LSD, 1711 01:31:50,773 --> 01:31:53,475 you were busted with marijuana ? 1712 01:31:53,508 --> 01:31:54,643 It wasn't even grass charges, 1713 01:31:54,677 --> 01:31:59,948 it was being in a place where marijuana was. 1714 01:31:59,982 --> 01:32:02,685 Mr. Kesey, do you feel like you did something wrong ? 1715 01:32:02,718 --> 01:32:04,620 I feel like you only come to this movie once 1716 01:32:04,653 --> 01:32:06,655 and if you don't get something rewarding 1717 01:32:06,689 --> 01:32:08,791 out of every minute you're sitting there, 1718 01:32:08,824 --> 01:32:10,826 then you're blowing your ticket. 1719 01:32:14,462 --> 01:32:16,331 Let's assume the worst. 1720 01:32:16,364 --> 01:32:18,333 Supposing they do come back with a conviction, 1721 01:32:18,366 --> 01:32:19,802 would you appeal ? 1722 01:32:19,835 --> 01:32:23,505 Well, if I could just concede in some way 1723 01:32:23,538 --> 01:32:25,540 and let them stick me in jail 1724 01:32:25,574 --> 01:32:29,311 and do my time, I would do it and save the taxpayers 1725 01:32:29,344 --> 01:32:32,480 and everybody else a lot of trouble. 1726 01:32:34,683 --> 01:32:36,819 The aim of the sheriff and the probation department 1727 01:32:36,852 --> 01:32:39,521 has been to rehabilitate Mr. Kesey, 1728 01:32:39,554 --> 01:32:41,690 to get him back into writing, 1729 01:32:41,724 --> 01:32:46,161 back into the career where he seems to have the most talent. 1730 01:32:46,194 --> 01:32:50,532 * Walk me out in the morning dew * 1731 01:32:50,565 --> 01:32:52,334 * My honey 1732 01:32:52,367 --> 01:32:54,336 In six months, your kids grow a lot. 1733 01:32:54,369 --> 01:32:56,471 That's what they take away from you in jail. 1734 01:32:56,504 --> 01:32:59,407 It's a drag, I don't wanna ever go to jail. 1735 01:32:59,441 --> 01:33:02,911 * You didn't hear no baby * 1736 01:33:02,945 --> 01:33:04,613 * Cry today * 1737 01:33:16,391 --> 01:33:18,560 One flew out of a cuckoo's nest today, 1738 01:33:18,593 --> 01:33:21,429 that is if you consider jail a cuckoo's nest. 1739 01:33:21,463 --> 01:33:24,366 Federal charges were dropped and the last obstacle, 1740 01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:29,705 San Francisco bail, was set at $3,500 plus penalties. 1741 01:33:29,738 --> 01:33:33,441 Kesey will be back in court November 9th, hopefully. 1742 01:33:33,475 --> 01:33:35,678 In the meantime, he will tell the teenage world 1743 01:33:35,711 --> 01:33:37,680 of the evils of drugs 1744 01:33:37,713 --> 01:33:40,082 and probably describe a long trip. 1745 01:33:40,115 --> 01:33:43,518 Are you repudiating LSD and other hallucinatory drugs ? 1746 01:33:43,551 --> 01:33:45,253 There's enough LSD around now 1747 01:33:45,287 --> 01:33:47,756 and enough young kids around 1748 01:33:47,790 --> 01:33:50,192 who are able to manufacture this, 1749 01:33:50,225 --> 01:33:53,228 that it's impossible 1750 01:33:53,261 --> 01:33:54,863 for the police to do anything about it. 1751 01:33:54,897 --> 01:33:58,200 You think this new law is turning them off then ? 1752 01:33:58,233 --> 01:34:00,769 I don't know that you can turn them off 1753 01:34:00,803 --> 01:34:02,905 but I think you may be able to move them on. 1754 01:34:02,938 --> 01:34:04,539 Do you consider yourself 1755 01:34:04,572 --> 01:34:07,609 becoming one of us squares perhaps ? 1756 01:34:07,642 --> 01:34:09,344 God, I hope not. 1757 01:34:11,646 --> 01:34:15,751 The commencement exercises for LSD U 1758 01:34:15,784 --> 01:34:17,753 will be held on Monday night, 1759 01:34:17,786 --> 01:34:18,887 that's Halloween. 1760 01:34:18,921 --> 01:34:20,555 And, of course, the man who is going to be 1761 01:34:20,588 --> 01:34:23,591 passing out the diplomas is Ken Kesey. 1762 01:34:23,625 --> 01:34:27,930 Ken, what's the theme of this commencement exercise ? 1763 01:34:27,963 --> 01:34:30,498 Trip or treat. 1764 01:34:30,532 --> 01:34:34,136 When I first proposed the idea to Jerry Garcia, 1765 01:34:34,169 --> 01:34:35,437 the leader of the Grateful Dead, 1766 01:34:35,470 --> 01:34:38,006 who's playing up there now, 1767 01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:41,509 that it's time to graduate from acid, 1768 01:34:41,543 --> 01:34:43,045 he says, "Hallelujah." 1769 01:34:50,953 --> 01:34:52,955 It was a test and there were people that passed 1770 01:34:52,988 --> 01:34:55,390 and were people that didn't pass. 1771 01:34:58,026 --> 01:35:00,095 We gave out diplomas for people 1772 01:35:00,128 --> 01:35:03,431 that we felt like really had passed it. 1773 01:35:03,465 --> 01:35:05,834 Are you a member of the graduating class tonight ? 1774 01:35:05,868 --> 01:35:09,037 No, I flunked the acid test. 1775 01:35:09,071 --> 01:35:11,974 How do you go about doing that ? 1776 01:35:12,007 --> 01:35:16,111 Well, the stipulations that Ken put up, I didn't pass. 1777 01:35:16,144 --> 01:35:18,713 We went wild for awhile. 1778 01:35:18,747 --> 01:35:23,852 We went wild because we'd been caged up for 50,000 years. 1779 01:35:23,886 --> 01:35:25,187 We went wild and found out 1780 01:35:25,220 --> 01:35:27,555 there was more than we had been led to believe. 1781 01:35:27,589 --> 01:35:30,993 And now, unless we start finding the little piece of it 1782 01:35:31,026 --> 01:35:33,195 that we call the reins, 1783 01:35:33,228 --> 01:35:34,662 it's gonna get away from us. 1784 01:35:34,696 --> 01:35:37,632 This doesn't necessarily mean you stop taking acid, 1785 01:35:37,665 --> 01:35:40,235 but you stop repeating the trips. 1786 01:35:40,268 --> 01:35:45,007 Every head knows that he takes a drug 1787 01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:47,742 to eventually stop taking it, 1788 01:35:47,776 --> 01:35:52,380 and I think that it's time for a great number of them to stop. 1789 01:35:54,549 --> 01:35:58,586 I believe that drugs have now become a fashion. 1790 01:36:01,689 --> 01:36:04,159 The Haight scene has changed all right. 1791 01:36:04,192 --> 01:36:07,429 The flower not only has wilted, it's dead. 1792 01:36:07,462 --> 01:36:10,365 * Going to leave 1793 01:36:10,398 --> 01:36:14,502 * This brokedown palace 1794 01:36:14,536 --> 01:36:19,207 * On my hands and my knees * 1795 01:36:19,241 --> 01:36:23,445 * I will roll, roll, roll 1796 01:36:23,478 --> 01:36:26,748 The hippies is often a strange world 1797 01:36:26,781 --> 01:36:28,016 in which they live in. 1798 01:36:28,050 --> 01:36:29,617 They take many trips. 1799 01:36:32,554 --> 01:36:37,993 And the trip of a hippie is generally an unusual one. 1800 01:36:39,828 --> 01:36:45,433 And marijuana, of course, with LSD, is being used. 1801 01:36:52,507 --> 01:36:57,045 All of these drugs were being fed into the culture by the CIA. 1802 01:36:57,079 --> 01:36:58,981 The LSD was not the whole story. 1803 01:36:59,014 --> 01:37:01,116 I didn't believe it for a long time while Allen Ginsberg says, 1804 01:37:01,149 --> 01:37:02,918 "You know who was paying for that was the CIA." 1805 01:37:02,951 --> 01:37:05,453 I said, "Oh no, Allen, you're just paranoid." 1806 01:37:05,487 --> 01:37:07,489 But he finally got all the records and it did turn out 1807 01:37:07,522 --> 01:37:10,658 the CIA was doing this and it wasn't being done 1808 01:37:10,692 --> 01:37:12,794 to try to cure insane people, 1809 01:37:12,827 --> 01:37:14,429 which is what we thought. 1810 01:37:14,462 --> 01:37:16,498 It was being done to weaken people 1811 01:37:16,531 --> 01:37:19,634 and to be able to put them under the control of interrogators. 1812 01:37:23,138 --> 01:37:25,573 I was so naive. 1813 01:37:25,607 --> 01:37:28,643 I believed these doctors knew what they were doing. 1814 01:37:28,676 --> 01:37:31,346 You know, this is the American government. 1815 01:37:31,379 --> 01:37:33,548 How could they make a mistake ? 1816 01:37:37,485 --> 01:37:39,087 * Fare you well 1817 01:37:39,121 --> 01:37:40,822 * Fare you well 1818 01:37:40,855 --> 01:37:44,927 * I love you more than words can tell * 1819 01:37:44,960 --> 01:37:46,494 * Listen to the river 1820 01:37:46,528 --> 01:37:50,832 * Sing sweet songs to rock my soul * 1821 01:37:51,799 --> 01:37:55,337 * Doo-doo-doo 1822 01:37:55,370 --> 01:37:58,140 * Doo-doo-doo-doo * 1823 01:37:58,173 --> 01:38:00,275 We finally got out of jail. 1824 01:38:00,308 --> 01:38:02,978 We were perfectly willing to leave 1825 01:38:03,011 --> 01:38:04,479 that whole area down there, 1826 01:38:04,512 --> 01:38:09,384 which offered excitement but no stability. 1827 01:38:23,498 --> 01:38:25,033 It's funny, in your Prankster days, 1828 01:38:25,067 --> 01:38:27,369 you were seen as being part of a group 1829 01:38:27,402 --> 01:38:30,638 that had made such a break with the past, 1830 01:38:30,672 --> 01:38:33,008 and yet here you are living on a family farm, 1831 01:38:33,041 --> 01:38:34,742 you're, I believe, still married to the woman 1832 01:38:34,776 --> 01:38:38,246 who you've been married to since, what is it, 1956 ? 1833 01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:39,347 Long time, yeah. 1834 01:38:39,381 --> 01:38:40,748 Yeah, so, I mean, there's been this 1835 01:38:40,782 --> 01:38:42,550 incredible continuity in your life 1836 01:38:42,584 --> 01:38:44,419 between past and present in a lot of ways. 1837 01:38:44,452 --> 01:38:46,021 Yeah. 1838 01:38:47,555 --> 01:38:49,491 My wife and I met in junior high 1839 01:38:49,524 --> 01:38:54,396 and all of our families are still very close. 1840 01:38:54,429 --> 01:38:57,565 This schism between this one consciousness 1841 01:38:57,599 --> 01:38:58,866 and this consciousness, 1842 01:38:58,900 --> 01:39:03,171 I believe, has been arbitrarily forced on us. 1843 01:39:03,205 --> 01:39:06,041 I've always been a fairly reliable, 1844 01:39:06,074 --> 01:39:08,510 "straight up the middle of the road" citizen 1845 01:39:08,543 --> 01:39:10,378 that just happens to be an acidhead. 1846 01:39:14,816 --> 01:39:16,418 Ken's a born leader. 1847 01:39:16,451 --> 01:39:19,354 I mean, he's got just charisma coming out of his ears. 1848 01:39:19,387 --> 01:39:22,190 Cassady was not that kind of person. 1849 01:39:22,224 --> 01:39:23,458 He really wasn't. 1850 01:39:23,491 --> 01:39:25,393 Once he didn't have the bus to drive, 1851 01:39:25,427 --> 01:39:27,729 or a function, he was-- 1852 01:39:27,762 --> 01:39:30,698 he was really like a liability. 1853 01:39:30,732 --> 01:39:33,401 You've heard the stories about him and Anne Murphy. 1854 01:39:33,435 --> 01:39:34,702 Oh, don't you know this ? 1855 01:39:34,736 --> 01:39:36,038 Oh, God. 1856 01:39:36,071 --> 01:39:39,374 They were on a heavy, sado-masochist trip. 1857 01:39:39,407 --> 01:39:42,744 I'm really old-fashioned when it comes to stuff like that. 1858 01:39:42,777 --> 01:39:44,412 I don't think a relationship is 1859 01:39:44,446 --> 01:39:47,815 worth jack shit if you're not making things good and happy. 1860 01:39:47,849 --> 01:39:50,418 Compare this with Ken and Faye. 1861 01:39:50,452 --> 01:39:52,154 They've been good for each other. 1862 01:39:52,187 --> 01:39:54,656 See, they-- they take care of each other. 1863 01:39:54,689 --> 01:39:56,424 They don't let each other just go downhill 1864 01:39:56,458 --> 01:39:58,460 and get more and more fucked up. 1865 01:39:58,493 --> 01:40:01,596 On the contrary, they take good care of each other. 1866 01:40:03,598 --> 01:40:06,468 Were you surprised to learn that Cassady was found dead 1867 01:40:06,501 --> 01:40:08,670 beside the railroad tracks in Mexico ? 1868 01:40:08,703 --> 01:40:11,639 When he died, I felt like that he'd accidentally 1869 01:40:11,673 --> 01:40:14,142 killed himself on purpose. 1870 01:40:14,176 --> 01:40:17,312 I can picture myself in his shoes exactly 1871 01:40:17,345 --> 01:40:20,348 and there's no place else to go, really. 1872 01:40:20,382 --> 01:40:22,117 Might as well meet the angels. 1873 01:40:43,338 --> 01:40:45,540 At what point did you decide to give up 1874 01:40:45,573 --> 01:40:47,175 the kind of Pranksters life ? 1875 01:40:47,209 --> 01:40:48,876 The story that I've heard is 1876 01:40:48,910 --> 01:40:50,445 the Pranksters went to Woodstock, 1877 01:40:50,478 --> 01:40:52,180 you didn't want to go. 1878 01:40:52,214 --> 01:40:53,381 And when they came back, 1879 01:40:53,415 --> 01:40:55,317 they came back to a sign hung in your driveway 1880 01:40:55,350 --> 01:40:57,018 that just said, "No." 1881 01:40:57,051 --> 01:40:59,454 Well, there was 61 people when they headed out to Woodstock 1882 01:40:59,487 --> 01:41:01,823 and after they were gone, 1883 01:41:01,856 --> 01:41:03,691 I went upstairs, and we live in a barn-- 1884 01:41:03,725 --> 01:41:07,129 at that time there was still hay in the loft of the barn, 1885 01:41:07,162 --> 01:41:09,331 and I found one of these little hippie warrens, 1886 01:41:09,364 --> 01:41:11,533 where they dug in with their ratty old sleeping bags 1887 01:41:11,566 --> 01:41:13,335 and their copy of Zap magazine 1888 01:41:13,368 --> 01:41:16,971 and stuck right down in the hay bale, was a candle 1889 01:41:17,004 --> 01:41:18,806 which had burned right down to the hay 1890 01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:19,907 before it'd gone off 1891 01:41:19,941 --> 01:41:21,209 and I thought, "There's certain things that 1892 01:41:21,243 --> 01:41:23,245 take precedent over enlightenment." 1893 01:41:23,278 --> 01:41:25,079 And that's when you sent everybody home basically. 1894 01:41:25,113 --> 01:41:26,548 Yeah. 1895 01:41:30,385 --> 01:41:31,886 How much writing have you been doing 1896 01:41:31,919 --> 01:41:33,054 over the past few years ? 1897 01:41:33,087 --> 01:41:34,856 Oh, quite a lot, I write all the time. 1898 01:41:34,889 --> 01:41:36,591 I just don't publish that much. 1899 01:41:38,260 --> 01:41:39,561 I've got four kids 1900 01:41:39,594 --> 01:41:41,329 and there's this-- there's a lot of the same energy 1901 01:41:41,363 --> 01:41:42,730 that goes into raising a family 1902 01:41:42,764 --> 01:41:45,733 that goes into putting a book together like "Notion." 1903 01:41:50,538 --> 01:41:52,607 Which, once you get a lot of stuff in the air, 1904 01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,776 you can't stop because you'll forget it, 1905 01:41:54,809 --> 01:41:58,346 and that kind of consciousness, 1906 01:41:58,380 --> 01:42:02,450 I have not had and I think it's because... 1907 01:42:02,484 --> 01:42:03,885 you know, I'm running a big farm. 1908 01:42:03,918 --> 01:42:05,720 That's what occupies my mind. 1909 01:42:05,753 --> 01:42:08,055 Either that or I fried my marbles, 1910 01:42:08,089 --> 01:42:09,757 just like everybody thinks. 1911 01:42:18,433 --> 01:42:20,602 When people ask me what I think my best work is, 1912 01:42:20,635 --> 01:42:22,570 I always say the bus. 1913 01:42:22,604 --> 01:42:24,239 Novels are a dime a dozen, 1914 01:42:24,272 --> 01:42:27,309 but there's only one bus Further. 1915 01:42:31,613 --> 01:42:33,915 What it meant 1916 01:42:33,948 --> 01:42:36,418 was that everybody had to consider a new way 1917 01:42:36,451 --> 01:42:37,985 for things to be. 1918 01:42:40,588 --> 01:42:42,156 Don't you know that we're all one ? 1919 01:42:45,593 --> 01:42:46,961 The deeper I got into it, 1920 01:42:46,994 --> 01:42:49,964 the more I realized it was a different force working. 1921 01:42:52,534 --> 01:42:56,170 The only big mistake we ever made, as a force, 1922 01:42:56,204 --> 01:42:59,974 was thinking for awhile that we were going to win. 1923 01:43:00,007 --> 01:43:02,410 We developed vested interests 1924 01:43:02,444 --> 01:43:04,145 in the victory to come. 1925 01:43:04,178 --> 01:43:06,981 We begin to parcel off into little groups, 1926 01:43:07,014 --> 01:43:08,683 whether it's feminism, 1927 01:43:08,716 --> 01:43:11,519 or politics, for money, religion, 1928 01:43:11,553 --> 01:43:14,356 whatever it is everybody is jumping up and down 1929 01:43:14,389 --> 01:43:15,923 in front of it 1930 01:43:15,957 --> 01:43:18,560 until nobody can see it clear anymore. 1931 01:43:21,396 --> 01:43:23,765 Now, if we'd never made that mistake, 1932 01:43:23,798 --> 01:43:25,300 we'd been way ahead, 1933 01:43:25,333 --> 01:43:27,402 and this is kind of why I'm retiring from the ranks. 1934 01:43:33,841 --> 01:43:35,777 There's something about what we're doing is that 1935 01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:39,381 we're meant to lose, every time. 1936 01:43:39,414 --> 01:43:41,883 You make these forays, you write these books 1937 01:43:41,916 --> 01:43:43,485 and you perform this music, 1938 01:43:43,518 --> 01:43:46,120 but the big juggernaut of civilization continues 1939 01:43:46,153 --> 01:43:48,022 and you get kind of brushed to the side. 1940 01:43:48,055 --> 01:43:49,357 But I think all through history 1941 01:43:49,391 --> 01:43:53,295 there's been these kind of divine losers 1942 01:43:53,328 --> 01:43:56,498 that just take a deep breath and go ahead, 1943 01:43:56,531 --> 01:43:59,066 knowing that society's not going to understand it, 1944 01:43:59,100 --> 01:44:01,836 not even caring, 'cause they're having a good time. 1945 01:44:09,877 --> 01:44:13,748 * Sometimes the lights all shinin' on me * 1946 01:44:17,251 --> 01:44:21,456 * Other times I can barely see * 1947 01:44:24,692 --> 01:44:29,397 * Lately it occurs to me 1948 01:44:30,798 --> 01:44:35,470 * What a long strange trip it's been * 1949 01:44:42,410 --> 01:44:43,611 * Truckin' 1950 01:44:43,645 --> 01:44:45,680 * Got my chips cashed in * 1951 01:44:45,713 --> 01:44:47,449 * Keep truckin' 1952 01:44:47,482 --> 01:44:49,917 * Like the doo-dah man 1953 01:44:49,951 --> 01:44:51,419 * Together 1954 01:44:51,453 --> 01:44:54,021 * More or less in line * 1955 01:44:54,055 --> 01:44:58,560 * Just keep truckin' on 1956 01:45:05,667 --> 01:45:09,571 * Arrows of neon and flashing marquees out on Main Street * 1957 01:45:09,604 --> 01:45:13,541 * Chicago New York Detroit and it's all on the same street * 1958 01:45:13,575 --> 01:45:17,445 * Your typical city involved in a typical daydream * 1959 01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:19,647 * Hang it up and see what tomorrow brings * 1960 01:45:21,148 --> 01:45:22,450 * Dallas 1961 01:45:22,484 --> 01:45:24,819 * Got a soft machine 1962 01:45:24,852 --> 01:45:26,488 * Houston 1963 01:45:26,521 --> 01:45:28,556 * Too close to New Orleans * 1964 01:45:28,590 --> 01:45:30,257 * New York's 1965 01:45:30,291 --> 01:45:32,394 * Got the ways and means * 1966 01:45:32,427 --> 01:45:36,498 * That just won't let you be * 1967 01:45:44,171 --> 01:45:45,607 * Most of the cats that you meet on the streets * 1968 01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:47,942 * Speak of true love 1969 01:45:47,975 --> 01:45:51,646 * Most of the time they're sittin' and cryin' at home * 1970 01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:55,450 * One of these days they know they gotta get going * 1971 01:45:55,483 --> 01:45:57,952 * Out of the door and down on the street all alone * 1972 01:45:59,687 --> 01:46:01,122 * Truckin' 1973 01:46:01,155 --> 01:46:03,425 * Like the doo-dah man 1974 01:46:03,458 --> 01:46:05,126 * Once told me 1975 01:46:05,159 --> 01:46:07,194 * You've got to play your hand... ** 142080

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