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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,749 --> 00:00:13,491 Previously on Fiasco... 2 00:00:13,622 --> 00:00:15,580 President Reagan's national security advisor, 3 00:00:15,711 --> 00:00:17,234 Robert "Bud" McFarlane, 4 00:00:17,365 --> 00:00:19,193 begins negotiations with Iran 5 00:00:19,323 --> 00:00:21,238 and agrees to exchange weapons 6 00:00:21,369 --> 00:00:23,893 for the release of American hostages. 7 00:00:24,024 --> 00:00:25,590 The deal generates millions of dollars 8 00:00:25,721 --> 00:00:27,636 that Oliver North and Richard Secord 9 00:00:27,766 --> 00:00:29,464 divert towards the Contra War. 10 00:00:31,596 --> 00:00:33,424 But after many shipments of weapons, 11 00:00:33,555 --> 00:00:35,905 only one hostage is released, 12 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:39,343 and McFarlane loses faith and abruptly resigns, 13 00:00:39,474 --> 00:00:41,041 only to be called out of retirement 14 00:00:41,171 --> 00:00:43,304 for a top secret, face-to-face meeting 15 00:00:43,434 --> 00:00:46,089 with Iranian delegates in Tehran. 16 00:00:46,220 --> 00:00:48,265 The trip is a disaster that leaves the Americans 17 00:00:48,396 --> 00:00:50,702 frustrated, demoralized, 18 00:00:50,833 --> 00:00:52,835 and desperate for a new strategy. 19 00:00:59,711 --> 00:01:03,019 As you know by now, there are plenty of twists and turns 20 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:05,456 in the story Americans know as Iran-Contra. 21 00:01:09,460 --> 00:01:11,288 There was one twist in particular 22 00:01:11,419 --> 00:01:13,203 that caught everyone by surprise. 23 00:01:29,437 --> 00:01:30,699 Hello? 24 00:01:44,452 --> 00:01:46,323 This is Hassan Sabra, 25 00:01:46,454 --> 00:01:47,759 and he's kind of responsible 26 00:01:47,890 --> 00:01:51,372 for breaking Iran-Contra wide open. 27 00:01:56,246 --> 00:01:58,683 He did it in the pages of a Lebanese magazine 28 00:01:58,814 --> 00:02:00,555 called Ash-Shiraa. 29 00:02:22,620 --> 00:02:24,796 In the fall of 1986, 30 00:02:24,927 --> 00:02:27,495 two secret operatives came to Sabra's office 31 00:02:27,625 --> 00:02:29,540 with a tip that would change his life. 32 00:02:52,563 --> 00:02:53,869 The article appeared 33 00:02:53,999 --> 00:02:55,523 in the Lebanese weekly Ash-Shiraa 34 00:02:55,653 --> 00:02:56,959 published in Beirut. 35 00:02:57,089 --> 00:02:58,787 The editor, Hassan Sabra, explained 36 00:02:58,917 --> 00:03:00,180 what he thought the Iranians want. 37 00:03:21,070 --> 00:03:22,724 The news that Ronald Reagan 38 00:03:22,854 --> 00:03:24,900 secretly traded Iran military equipment for hostages 39 00:03:25,030 --> 00:03:26,902 is only the latest. 40 00:03:27,032 --> 00:03:28,730 Trouble is, secrets don't keep very well. 41 00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:30,122 And when they come out, 42 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:31,907 the damage to an administration's credibility 43 00:03:32,037 --> 00:03:33,952 can last a very long time. 44 00:03:34,083 --> 00:03:36,259 How would Reagan's administration react 45 00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:38,957 when a little-known magazine editor in Beirut 46 00:03:39,088 --> 00:03:41,830 stumbled upon the secrets they had been trying to hide? 47 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,614 Mr. President, is it true that you authorized 48 00:03:43,745 --> 00:03:46,487 sending military supplies to Iran? 49 00:03:46,617 --> 00:03:48,967 I've never heard such dissemination 50 00:03:49,098 --> 00:03:51,361 of misinformation 51 00:03:51,492 --> 00:03:52,884 since I've been here 52 00:03:53,015 --> 00:03:55,539 as has been going on in the last several days. 53 00:03:55,670 --> 00:03:59,108 They wanted us also to help 54 00:03:59,239 --> 00:04:03,591 with the freeing of other hostages. 55 00:04:04,983 --> 00:04:06,855 What would happen to those who exposed 56 00:04:06,985 --> 00:04:09,771 all those secrets and upset the carefully laid plans 57 00:04:09,901 --> 00:04:11,642 of the powerful people involved? 58 00:04:55,991 --> 00:04:58,472 I'm Leon Neyfakh. 59 00:04:58,602 --> 00:05:02,084 This is Fiasco. 60 00:05:02,214 --> 00:05:04,434 The story of Iran-Contra. 61 00:05:14,488 --> 00:05:18,274 While members of his administration were in Tehran 62 00:05:18,405 --> 00:05:20,972 negotiating the release of American hostages... 63 00:05:21,103 --> 00:05:23,279 - Thank you. 64 00:05:23,410 --> 00:05:25,629 Really is great to be back on the campaign trail. 65 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,632 It almost feels like 1980 all over again. 66 00:05:28,763 --> 00:05:30,982 ...Ronald Reagan focused on the home front. 67 00:05:36,379 --> 00:05:37,772 We love Ron! We love Ron! 68 00:05:37,902 --> 00:05:39,817 We love Ron! 69 00:05:39,948 --> 00:05:41,950 The president spent the 1986 midterms 70 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,779 traveling around the country, rallying support 71 00:05:44,909 --> 00:05:46,563 for Republicans running for Congress. 72 00:05:46,694 --> 00:05:48,304 Ladies and gentlemen, 73 00:05:48,435 --> 00:05:49,958 the president of the United States, 74 00:05:50,088 --> 00:05:51,176 President Ronald Reagan. 75 00:05:55,224 --> 00:05:57,835 I need a congressman who will support me 76 00:05:57,966 --> 00:06:00,969 instead of someone who opposes me 60% of the time. 77 00:06:03,841 --> 00:06:05,669 During the second midterm, 78 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,976 congressional election is very, very tough. 79 00:06:08,106 --> 00:06:10,108 You're really worn out by then, 80 00:06:10,239 --> 00:06:12,981 and the opposing party has a lot to say. 81 00:06:13,111 --> 00:06:15,200 Write it down. 82 00:06:15,331 --> 00:06:18,856 Next January there'll be 53 Democrats 83 00:06:18,987 --> 00:06:20,205 in the United States Senate 84 00:06:20,336 --> 00:06:22,556 and 47 Republicans. 85 00:06:22,686 --> 00:06:24,209 But, you know, 86 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:26,734 this talking about political differences and all 87 00:06:26,864 --> 00:06:28,475 reminds me of a story. 88 00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:34,611 It was a Democratic fundraiser at a downtown hotel. 89 00:06:34,742 --> 00:06:36,047 And when they came out of the fundraiser, 90 00:06:36,178 --> 00:06:37,745 there was a kid with some puppies, 91 00:06:37,875 --> 00:06:39,224 and he was selling them. 92 00:06:39,355 --> 00:06:42,576 "Buy a Democrat puppy. Buy a Democrat puppy." 93 00:06:42,706 --> 00:06:44,229 But two weeks later, 94 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,623 the Republicans held a fundraiser in the same place. 95 00:06:46,754 --> 00:06:48,712 When they came out, the same kid was there-- 96 00:06:48,843 --> 00:06:51,889 "Buy a Republican puppy. Buy a Republican puppy." 97 00:06:52,020 --> 00:06:53,761 Kid says, "Now they got their eyes open." 98 00:06:57,460 --> 00:06:59,027 Reagan's team had struggled 99 00:06:59,157 --> 00:07:01,333 to come up with a message to campaign on. 100 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:04,032 They found one in a star-studded crusade 101 00:07:04,162 --> 00:07:06,164 spearheaded by the president's wife, Nancy. 102 00:07:06,295 --> 00:07:08,428 See this cute little vial here? 103 00:07:08,558 --> 00:07:12,083 It's crack, rock cocaine, the most addictive form. 104 00:07:12,214 --> 00:07:14,216 You think it's the glamour drug of the '80s? 105 00:07:14,346 --> 00:07:16,610 Well, that's the point of this friendly little reminder. 106 00:07:16,740 --> 00:07:17,915 It can kill you. 107 00:07:18,046 --> 00:07:20,918 Well, the... 108 00:07:21,049 --> 00:07:24,008 the decision to run that campaign was not mine. 109 00:07:24,139 --> 00:07:26,533 But the decision to work on that speech was. 110 00:07:29,971 --> 00:07:34,715 I met with the Reagans in California to hear them out 111 00:07:34,845 --> 00:07:37,021 and listen to what they wanted to say. 112 00:07:37,152 --> 00:07:39,241 And it was very, very important to her 113 00:07:39,371 --> 00:07:41,069 and very, very important to him 114 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:43,419 to get that message across. 115 00:07:43,550 --> 00:07:46,814 Now you can see why drug abuse concerns every one of us, 116 00:07:46,944 --> 00:07:49,207 all the American family. 117 00:07:49,338 --> 00:07:50,818 With the crack epidemic 118 00:07:50,948 --> 00:07:52,602 surging in America's cities, 119 00:07:52,733 --> 00:07:54,125 Reagan's anti-drug message 120 00:07:54,256 --> 00:07:56,388 struck a chord with his base of voters 121 00:07:56,519 --> 00:07:59,304 who believed in God and family values. 122 00:07:59,435 --> 00:08:00,784 Are you afraid when you go out on the street 123 00:08:00,915 --> 00:08:01,698 - at night? - Yes. 124 00:08:01,829 --> 00:08:03,308 Why? 125 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:04,701 There's a lot of drug dealers. 126 00:08:04,832 --> 00:08:06,747 They be shooting. 127 00:08:06,877 --> 00:08:08,357 Drugs take away the dream 128 00:08:08,488 --> 00:08:12,056 from every child's heart and replace it with a nightmare. 129 00:08:12,187 --> 00:08:14,058 Each of us has to put our principles 130 00:08:14,189 --> 00:08:16,104 and consciences on the line. 131 00:08:16,234 --> 00:08:18,062 There's no moral middle ground. 132 00:08:18,193 --> 00:08:20,543 Indifference is not an option. 133 00:08:20,674 --> 00:08:23,024 I can't help but see all the young people 134 00:08:23,154 --> 00:08:24,808 who are here in the audience, 135 00:08:24,939 --> 00:08:26,767 and I have a special message to you from my roommate. 136 00:08:28,856 --> 00:08:30,510 She said to tell you, 137 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,209 "When it comes to drugs, please, for yourselves, 138 00:08:34,339 --> 00:08:36,341 "for your families, for your future, 139 00:08:36,472 --> 00:08:38,126 "and for your country, 140 00:08:38,256 --> 00:08:40,215 just say no." 141 00:08:47,918 --> 00:08:49,137 I mean, if the Reagan administration 142 00:08:49,267 --> 00:08:50,878 had "just said no" 143 00:08:51,008 --> 00:08:52,793 to Contra drug smuggling 144 00:08:52,923 --> 00:08:54,185 and to cavorting and collaborating 145 00:08:54,316 --> 00:08:56,144 with drug smugglers, 146 00:08:56,274 --> 00:08:57,754 they would never have been tarred and feathered. 147 00:09:03,194 --> 00:09:05,196 My name is Martha Honey. 148 00:09:05,327 --> 00:09:08,025 My name is Tony Avrigan. 149 00:09:08,156 --> 00:09:11,507 And we lived and reported out of Central America, 150 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:13,335 based in Costa Rica for the 1980s. 151 00:09:15,293 --> 00:09:16,425 We went down to Costa Rica 152 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,296 and really fell in love with it. 153 00:09:18,427 --> 00:09:19,907 It seemed like a good place 154 00:09:20,037 --> 00:09:21,299 to raise our kids and... 155 00:09:21,430 --> 00:09:22,692 And so we decided to move there. 156 00:09:24,607 --> 00:09:27,479 The only thing we didn't know was 157 00:09:27,610 --> 00:09:30,091 our moving there sort of coincided 158 00:09:30,221 --> 00:09:33,137 almost exactly with the CIA's taking a look at Costa Rica 159 00:09:33,268 --> 00:09:34,356 and saying, "Hmm." 160 00:09:40,362 --> 00:09:42,233 Martha Honey and Tony Avrigan 161 00:09:42,364 --> 00:09:44,888 started to notice the Nicaraguan rebel force, 162 00:09:45,019 --> 00:09:48,283 the Contras, setting up shop in Costa Rica. 163 00:09:48,413 --> 00:09:50,067 And I remember one night, 164 00:09:50,198 --> 00:09:51,852 soon after we moved there, 165 00:09:51,982 --> 00:09:53,549 driving through a neighborhood, 166 00:09:53,680 --> 00:09:55,203 and you'd look in the front window, 167 00:09:55,333 --> 00:09:56,552 and there would be a Costa Rican family 168 00:09:56,683 --> 00:09:58,293 having dinner, and then the next one, 169 00:09:58,423 --> 00:09:59,947 a Costa Rican family sitting around the television, 170 00:10:00,077 --> 00:10:01,905 and then the next one, 171 00:10:02,036 --> 00:10:04,560 all these guys in kind of partial military uniforms 172 00:10:04,691 --> 00:10:06,475 standing over a mimeograph machine, 173 00:10:06,606 --> 00:10:09,260 and that was a Contra operation going on. 174 00:10:11,219 --> 00:10:13,874 There began to be reports in the local press 175 00:10:14,004 --> 00:10:16,441 that the U.S. government was involved 176 00:10:16,572 --> 00:10:19,357 in facilitating operations out of there. 177 00:10:19,488 --> 00:10:22,665 But our editors were very skeptical and said, 178 00:10:22,796 --> 00:10:24,449 "Well, that's not what the State Department's telling us. 179 00:10:24,580 --> 00:10:26,277 "They are telling us that the U.S. 180 00:10:26,408 --> 00:10:30,412 is not involved militarily in Costa Rica." 181 00:10:30,542 --> 00:10:32,675 Something wasn't quite adding up. 182 00:10:32,806 --> 00:10:34,895 The waning days of the last session of Congress, 183 00:10:35,025 --> 00:10:36,113 we passed the Boland Amendment. 184 00:10:38,072 --> 00:10:39,595 Remember the Boland Amendment? 185 00:10:39,726 --> 00:10:41,379 The House Intelligence Committee today 186 00:10:41,510 --> 00:10:43,425 voted to cut off U.S. funds 187 00:10:43,555 --> 00:10:46,297 for secret intelligence activities in Nicaragua. 188 00:10:46,428 --> 00:10:48,343 The vote reflects a growing concern in Congress 189 00:10:48,473 --> 00:10:51,085 that CIA funds are being used to overthrow 190 00:10:51,215 --> 00:10:53,740 the Sandinistan government in Nicaragua. 191 00:10:53,870 --> 00:10:56,960 Since official funds couldn't flow to the Contras, 192 00:10:57,091 --> 00:10:59,136 the administration funneled private money 193 00:10:59,267 --> 00:11:00,921 to the rebel forces fighting the war. 194 00:11:03,532 --> 00:11:06,622 Oliver North's whole secret re-supply operations, 195 00:11:06,753 --> 00:11:09,451 all of it was focused on Nicaragua, 196 00:11:09,581 --> 00:11:11,975 but it was operating out of Costa Rica. 197 00:11:13,542 --> 00:11:14,891 The U.S. wasn't supposed 198 00:11:15,022 --> 00:11:17,415 to be helping the Contras. 199 00:11:17,546 --> 00:11:19,330 But Martha and Tony were receiving clear evidence 200 00:11:19,461 --> 00:11:21,071 that they were. 201 00:11:21,202 --> 00:11:23,291 We made frequent visits up 202 00:11:23,421 --> 00:11:25,336 to the southern front into Nicaragua. 203 00:11:26,990 --> 00:11:28,470 It's a pleasure. 204 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,080 And suddenly, 205 00:11:30,211 --> 00:11:32,300 they started showing us mortars 206 00:11:32,430 --> 00:11:36,304 and small artillery pieces painted 207 00:11:36,434 --> 00:11:39,873 in desert camouflage colors in the rain forest. 208 00:11:41,222 --> 00:11:44,529 And they wore always these huge-sized pants 209 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:48,011 and huge boots made for 6'6" Americans. 210 00:11:49,491 --> 00:11:53,060 And so they had their pants sort of up to their chest. 211 00:11:53,190 --> 00:11:55,584 And the Reagan administration vehemently denied 212 00:11:55,715 --> 00:11:57,978 anything was going on, but as we quickly learned, 213 00:11:58,108 --> 00:11:59,240 all you had to do was open your eyes. 214 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,161 And while weapons and uniforms 215 00:12:07,291 --> 00:12:09,293 were going into Central America, 216 00:12:09,424 --> 00:12:12,383 something else may have been going out. 217 00:12:12,514 --> 00:12:16,431 It was a difficult story to really prove. 218 00:12:16,561 --> 00:12:19,739 But we kept kind of running into the drug trafficking, 219 00:12:19,869 --> 00:12:24,134 and it sort of became a story that we finally had to take on. 220 00:12:24,265 --> 00:12:26,354 Drugs are menacing our society. 221 00:12:26,484 --> 00:12:28,008 They are threatening our values 222 00:12:28,138 --> 00:12:29,923 and undercutting our institutions. 223 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:32,055 They're killing our children. 224 00:12:32,186 --> 00:12:34,231 Even as the Reagan administration 225 00:12:34,362 --> 00:12:37,017 was telling Americans to just say no... 226 00:12:37,147 --> 00:12:39,193 We can defeat this enemy. 227 00:12:39,323 --> 00:12:40,455 ...some of the President's beloved 228 00:12:40,585 --> 00:12:42,239 Freedom Fighters, the Contras, 229 00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:45,025 were smuggling drugs into the United States. 230 00:12:45,155 --> 00:12:47,418 But we still have much to do. 231 00:12:47,549 --> 00:12:49,551 Despite our best efforts, 232 00:12:49,681 --> 00:12:52,249 illegal cocaine is coming into our country 233 00:12:52,380 --> 00:12:53,468 at alarming levels. 234 00:12:55,383 --> 00:12:58,473 Drug smuggling is just one of a long list 235 00:12:58,603 --> 00:13:03,608 of kind of the dark, dirty side of many paramilitary wars. 236 00:13:03,739 --> 00:13:06,263 And the Contra war was no exception. 237 00:13:07,830 --> 00:13:10,180 When Oliver North started to build 238 00:13:10,311 --> 00:13:12,487 this secret resupply operation, 239 00:13:12,617 --> 00:13:14,706 he used pilots who had already 240 00:13:14,837 --> 00:13:16,926 been convicted of drug smuggling. 241 00:13:17,057 --> 00:13:18,449 Why? 242 00:13:18,580 --> 00:13:20,974 Because they were readily available. 243 00:13:23,585 --> 00:13:25,500 And we interviewed a number of these pilots 244 00:13:25,630 --> 00:13:28,111 who began talking about their ties to the CIA 245 00:13:28,242 --> 00:13:29,852 and how they would fly into, for instance, 246 00:13:29,983 --> 00:13:34,074 Homestead Air Force Base which was outside of Miami. 247 00:13:34,204 --> 00:13:35,466 As an extra added bonus, 248 00:13:35,597 --> 00:13:37,468 we could freelance on the way back. 249 00:13:37,599 --> 00:13:39,470 Meaning what? 250 00:13:39,601 --> 00:13:42,691 Well, I mean, we could--we could bring back our own cargo 251 00:13:42,822 --> 00:13:45,346 without ever having to worry about interception, 252 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:46,434 arrest or anything like this. 253 00:13:46,564 --> 00:13:48,871 Everything was taken care of. 254 00:13:49,002 --> 00:13:51,874 They would leave the plane, but it would not be inspected 255 00:13:52,005 --> 00:13:55,530 as other planes coming in were because it had drugs on it. 256 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:57,097 Given your experience, 257 00:13:57,227 --> 00:13:58,620 who do you figure arranged all of this? 258 00:13:58,750 --> 00:14:00,491 What's your best guess? 259 00:14:00,622 --> 00:14:03,886 Had to be someone in either the top four-- 260 00:14:04,017 --> 00:14:07,411 three slots of the CIA as I know their organization. 261 00:14:07,542 --> 00:14:10,632 The U.S. said, "Well, of course these pilots are going to say 262 00:14:10,762 --> 00:14:12,852 they're working for the CIA to try to protect themselves." 263 00:14:12,982 --> 00:14:14,505 Had to be someone that high up. It'd have to be. 264 00:14:14,636 --> 00:14:16,333 Why? 265 00:14:16,464 --> 00:14:18,161 Because who else can you get that's gonna know, 266 00:14:18,292 --> 00:14:19,859 number one, the inner working of everything 267 00:14:19,989 --> 00:14:21,904 but who can pick up a phone and say, "Let this happen"? 268 00:14:23,775 --> 00:14:25,255 I would say the majority of people 269 00:14:25,386 --> 00:14:27,257 working with Oliver North 270 00:14:27,388 --> 00:14:28,868 were not involved in drug smuggling, 271 00:14:28,998 --> 00:14:31,261 but there were enough people who were involved. 272 00:14:31,392 --> 00:14:33,611 And that's wrong. That's criminal. 273 00:14:33,742 --> 00:14:35,396 And it was just among the priorities 274 00:14:35,526 --> 00:14:37,615 that the Reagan administration set 275 00:14:37,746 --> 00:14:41,619 where the health and security against drugs 276 00:14:41,750 --> 00:14:45,145 of young people and communities of color 277 00:14:45,275 --> 00:14:48,235 in this country was inconsequential 278 00:14:48,365 --> 00:14:50,715 compared to the top priority-- 279 00:14:50,846 --> 00:14:53,631 overthrowing the Sandinista government. 280 00:14:53,762 --> 00:14:56,243 In order to bolster the Contra forces, 281 00:14:56,373 --> 00:14:58,854 the United States created a base of operations 282 00:14:58,985 --> 00:15:01,988 in the demilitarized country of Costa Rica. 283 00:15:03,076 --> 00:15:05,730 This was not well received by the locals. 284 00:15:05,861 --> 00:15:07,602 Last week saw one of the biggest ever 285 00:15:07,732 --> 00:15:10,605 demonstrations held in this 35-year-old democracy. 286 00:15:10,735 --> 00:15:12,476 Thirty thousand people 287 00:15:12,607 --> 00:15:14,130 protesting at American pressure 288 00:15:14,261 --> 00:15:15,915 upon Costa Rica to abandon 289 00:15:16,045 --> 00:15:19,222 its traditional position of neutrality. 290 00:15:19,353 --> 00:15:22,530 We sort of felt an obligation to, 291 00:15:22,660 --> 00:15:25,402 you know, be reporting on what was going on. 292 00:15:25,533 --> 00:15:28,710 But exposing the illegal covert activities 293 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:32,235 that the U.S. was carrying out, 294 00:15:32,366 --> 00:15:35,717 I mean, it is a dangerous story to cover. 295 00:15:35,847 --> 00:15:37,762 In 1984, 296 00:15:37,893 --> 00:15:40,591 Tony Avrigan traveled to the Nicaraguan jungle 297 00:15:40,722 --> 00:15:43,116 for a press conference led by the southern Contra leader 298 00:15:43,246 --> 00:15:44,291 Eden Pastora. 299 00:15:53,082 --> 00:15:55,084 As the press conference got under way... 300 00:16:02,439 --> 00:16:04,093 ...a bomb went off. 301 00:16:07,705 --> 00:16:10,708 Seven people were killed... 302 00:16:10,839 --> 00:16:12,710 including three journalists. 303 00:16:14,495 --> 00:16:17,628 Tony was among the injured. 304 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:19,804 It would later come out the attack 305 00:16:19,935 --> 00:16:22,329 had been carried out by a Sandinista sympathizer. 306 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:27,769 As the reporting on the war 307 00:16:27,899 --> 00:16:29,727 and drug trafficking progressed, 308 00:16:29,858 --> 00:16:31,773 Martha and Tony felt like 309 00:16:31,903 --> 00:16:33,949 they were being watched and threatened. 310 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,386 We were out one day, and we came back, 311 00:16:36,517 --> 00:16:38,214 and our files had been gone through 312 00:16:38,345 --> 00:16:41,609 and were in a bit of chaos. 313 00:16:41,739 --> 00:16:43,437 We quickly learned that someone 314 00:16:43,567 --> 00:16:47,571 sent down a CIA operative to spy on us. 315 00:16:47,702 --> 00:16:49,834 Part of it was to intimidate us. 316 00:16:49,965 --> 00:16:52,707 We would check under our Jeep every day to see 317 00:16:52,837 --> 00:16:56,667 if there was a bomb placed under it. 318 00:16:56,798 --> 00:16:58,321 The most scary incident 319 00:16:58,452 --> 00:16:59,801 was when we were mailed a packet of cocaine 320 00:16:59,931 --> 00:17:02,369 and arrested as drug traffickers. 321 00:17:02,499 --> 00:17:03,761 It was the DEA and the CIA 322 00:17:03,892 --> 00:17:06,242 that mailed us a package of cocaine-- 323 00:17:06,373 --> 00:17:08,201 two agents from there. 324 00:17:09,941 --> 00:17:11,987 It came in a package 325 00:17:12,118 --> 00:17:14,685 of two books with a letter that said, 326 00:17:14,816 --> 00:17:16,296 "Tony and Martha, here's a sample 327 00:17:16,426 --> 00:17:18,428 "of the latest shipment of cocaine 328 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:19,995 "that we want to send up to Miami, 329 00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:21,562 "but we want you to test it first to see 330 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:22,650 if the quality is good enough." 331 00:17:22,780 --> 00:17:24,869 And the next day, 332 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,655 there were stories with photos of us saying, 333 00:17:27,785 --> 00:17:30,832 "Journalists arrested as cocaine traffickers." 334 00:17:30,962 --> 00:17:33,313 It was awful, because as you can imagine, 335 00:17:33,443 --> 00:17:35,793 you know, all of our kids' friends, 336 00:17:35,924 --> 00:17:38,361 their parents wouldn't send them to play with our kids. 337 00:17:38,492 --> 00:17:43,366 I mean, how do you prove that you're not a trafficker? 338 00:17:43,497 --> 00:17:46,587 We had been for such a long time 339 00:17:46,717 --> 00:17:49,894 uncovering these things that the rest of the world 340 00:17:50,025 --> 00:17:53,376 was denying or the State Department was denying. 341 00:17:53,507 --> 00:17:56,031 And eventually what began to happen was for us 342 00:17:56,162 --> 00:17:57,989 and a couple of other journalists, 343 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:00,383 the U.S. officials began calling 344 00:18:00,514 --> 00:18:03,212 whenever we were reporting and say, 345 00:18:03,343 --> 00:18:04,822 "This is not correct. 346 00:18:04,953 --> 00:18:06,563 "What they are reporting is not correct. 347 00:18:06,694 --> 00:18:09,175 You should not be using them. You should fire them." 348 00:18:09,305 --> 00:18:12,569 For several years, Oliver North and his cohort 349 00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:14,963 had been successful in keeping their covert activities 350 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,444 out of American media. 351 00:18:19,881 --> 00:18:21,491 And one day, I, you know, 352 00:18:21,622 --> 00:18:22,884 remember turning on the television, 353 00:18:23,014 --> 00:18:25,930 and this big kind of disheveled American 354 00:18:26,061 --> 00:18:28,498 being led out by these little Nicaraguans. 355 00:18:28,629 --> 00:18:30,761 I mean, this was the smoking gun. 356 00:18:30,892 --> 00:18:33,851 Eugene Hasenfus, an American from Wisconsin, 357 00:18:33,982 --> 00:18:36,506 was walked out of the jungle in southern Nicaragua today. 358 00:18:36,637 --> 00:18:38,552 His captors, Nicaraguan soldiers, 359 00:18:38,682 --> 00:18:39,944 claim they shot down a cargo plane 360 00:18:40,075 --> 00:18:42,033 carrying the American and three others 361 00:18:42,164 --> 00:18:44,340 with a Soviet made surface-to-air missile. 362 00:18:44,471 --> 00:18:46,125 My name is Gene Hasenfus. 363 00:18:48,779 --> 00:18:50,651 Marinette, Wisconsin. 364 00:18:55,743 --> 00:18:57,919 I was shot out of the sky. 365 00:19:00,443 --> 00:19:02,532 In October of 1986, 366 00:19:02,663 --> 00:19:04,621 a story broke out of Nicaragua 367 00:19:04,752 --> 00:19:06,449 that made the Reagan administration's 368 00:19:06,580 --> 00:19:08,930 military alliance with the Contras hard to deny. 369 00:19:11,802 --> 00:19:12,803 Eugene Hasenfus 370 00:19:12,934 --> 00:19:14,892 really was a soldier of fortune. 371 00:19:15,023 --> 00:19:17,982 He managed to get recruited 372 00:19:18,113 --> 00:19:21,899 to work on one of these airplanes 373 00:19:22,030 --> 00:19:26,600 and airdrop weapons to the Contras. 374 00:19:26,730 --> 00:19:28,123 These planes, they were perfect 375 00:19:28,254 --> 00:19:33,128 for airdropping pallets of equipment 376 00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:35,739 because they flew relatively slowly. 377 00:19:35,870 --> 00:19:37,480 The drawback, of course, 378 00:19:37,611 --> 00:19:40,222 was that these planes flew low and flew slow. 379 00:19:40,353 --> 00:19:42,920 That made them easier targets for Sandinista gunners. 380 00:20:14,952 --> 00:20:16,911 Amid the smoldering gear, 381 00:20:17,041 --> 00:20:20,871 the Sandinistas found the bodies of Hasenfus's team-- 382 00:20:21,002 --> 00:20:23,439 two American pilots and their radio man, 383 00:20:23,570 --> 00:20:26,964 a 17-year-old Nicaraguan boy. 384 00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:29,880 The next day, deep in the jungle, 385 00:20:30,011 --> 00:20:32,709 a group of soldiers found Hasenfus asleep in a hammock 386 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,755 that he had made out of his parachute. 387 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,893 All of a sudden, 388 00:20:43,024 --> 00:20:46,854 we had an American prisoner of war in Nicaragua 389 00:20:46,984 --> 00:20:50,553 in a war we weren't even supposed to be fighting. 390 00:20:50,684 --> 00:20:53,121 I was staffing the CBS office in Nicaragua. 391 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:56,255 And I remember the Sandinista press officials 392 00:20:56,385 --> 00:20:58,561 coming over to me and saying, "What do we do with this guy?" 393 00:21:02,739 --> 00:21:04,741 The Sandinistas paraded their new hostage 394 00:21:04,872 --> 00:21:06,830 in front of the press. 395 00:21:11,226 --> 00:21:13,707 And he was captured around noon on Monday the sixth. 396 00:21:15,012 --> 00:21:15,926 Thank you. 397 00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:19,756 For the first time, 398 00:21:19,887 --> 00:21:21,584 the government made public 399 00:21:21,715 --> 00:21:23,934 sensitive documents found in the crash. 400 00:21:24,065 --> 00:21:26,241 Until now, the Sandinistas have kept secret 401 00:21:26,372 --> 00:21:28,809 that among the papers in the plane 402 00:21:28,939 --> 00:21:31,942 was a list of 13 Contra pilots and their code names. 403 00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:45,565 The objectives of our flights into Nicaragua 404 00:21:45,695 --> 00:21:49,220 were to resupply the Contras. 405 00:21:49,351 --> 00:21:52,180 He started singing like a robin. 406 00:21:52,311 --> 00:21:54,878 Of course, that led to the-- 407 00:21:55,009 --> 00:21:57,794 to the whole story coming apart. 408 00:21:59,492 --> 00:22:03,713 Hasenfus says he was working for the CIA. 409 00:22:03,844 --> 00:22:06,368 He told an amazing story, 410 00:22:06,499 --> 00:22:09,763 which was that he was told not to wear a parachute 411 00:22:09,893 --> 00:22:12,722 and that everybody on the planes was told not to wear parachutes 412 00:22:12,853 --> 00:22:16,160 because they wanted them to die if the plane was shot down 413 00:22:16,291 --> 00:22:18,685 so that they wouldn't live to be able to testify. 414 00:22:21,992 --> 00:22:24,647 Nearly every day, Sandinista soldiers drill 415 00:22:24,778 --> 00:22:26,170 in Managua and throughout the country 416 00:22:26,301 --> 00:22:28,085 to prepare themselves for the American invasion 417 00:22:28,216 --> 00:22:30,044 they've long been predicting, 418 00:22:30,174 --> 00:22:33,047 an invasion they say is symbolized by Eugene Hasenfus. 419 00:23:06,472 --> 00:23:09,518 I'm glad you asked. Absolutely none. 420 00:23:11,825 --> 00:23:13,392 As Reagan's team continued 421 00:23:13,522 --> 00:23:16,438 to deny their involvement in the Contra War, 422 00:23:16,569 --> 00:23:19,049 the American media had more questions than answers. 423 00:23:21,487 --> 00:23:24,881 Who is Eugene Hasenfus? 424 00:23:25,012 --> 00:23:26,666 No one seems to know anything 425 00:23:26,796 --> 00:23:28,363 about it in Marinette, Wisconsin, 426 00:23:28,494 --> 00:23:30,017 the town along the Green Bay shore 427 00:23:30,147 --> 00:23:32,280 where Eugene Hasenfus lives. 428 00:23:32,411 --> 00:23:35,370 He grew up here, played on the high-school football team. 429 00:23:35,501 --> 00:23:37,720 He and his wife, Sally, and their three children, 430 00:23:37,851 --> 00:23:40,244 live in this lakeside house just outside town. 431 00:23:40,375 --> 00:23:42,812 We know he is an American citizen, 432 00:23:42,943 --> 00:23:45,815 an ex-marine, a soldier of fortune in the Vietnam War, 433 00:23:45,946 --> 00:23:47,295 and we know his transport plane 434 00:23:47,426 --> 00:23:49,384 was shot down over Nicaragua. 435 00:23:49,515 --> 00:23:51,734 Hasenfus's father says he had no idea 436 00:23:51,865 --> 00:23:53,649 Eugene was in Central America, 437 00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:55,912 but he did leave town five months ago. 438 00:23:56,043 --> 00:23:58,349 All's I know is that he was going to Florida 439 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,090 to go to work, construction work. 440 00:24:00,221 --> 00:24:02,049 And that's all I know on that part. 441 00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:03,006 Eugene's brother, Bill, 442 00:24:03,137 --> 00:24:04,921 got a different version. 443 00:24:05,052 --> 00:24:06,923 He said he got a job with an air transport outfit 444 00:24:07,054 --> 00:24:09,709 out of Miami hauling cargo. 445 00:24:09,839 --> 00:24:13,495 His basing job was a loadmaster, a crew chief. 446 00:24:13,626 --> 00:24:15,845 The two brothers often skydive together. 447 00:24:15,976 --> 00:24:19,762 The last time Bill saw his brother was Labor Day... 448 00:24:19,893 --> 00:24:22,373 when Eugene borrowed a parachute from him. 449 00:24:25,942 --> 00:24:29,772 Reagan! Reagan! Reagan! Reagan! Reagan! 450 00:24:29,903 --> 00:24:31,818 The confusion seemed to inspire the press 451 00:24:31,948 --> 00:24:33,472 to uncover the truth. 452 00:24:33,602 --> 00:24:37,301 With the midterms less than a month away... 453 00:24:37,432 --> 00:24:39,565 the Reagan administration needed a cover story. 454 00:24:45,135 --> 00:24:47,486 Mr. Secretary, can you give me categorical assurance 455 00:24:47,616 --> 00:24:49,357 that Hasenfus was not under the control, 456 00:24:49,488 --> 00:24:52,360 the guidance, the direction or what have you 457 00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:54,884 of anybody connected with the American government? 458 00:24:55,015 --> 00:24:57,104 Absolutely. That would be illegal. 459 00:24:57,234 --> 00:24:59,367 We are barred from doing that, and we are not doing it. 460 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,196 This was not in any sense a U.S. government operation. None. 461 00:25:03,502 --> 00:25:05,416 Members of the National Security Council 462 00:25:05,547 --> 00:25:08,985 held a meeting in order to coordinate a response. 463 00:25:09,116 --> 00:25:10,421 According to notes taken 464 00:25:10,552 --> 00:25:12,815 by one of the officials present that day, 465 00:25:12,946 --> 00:25:14,817 the decision was made to ask the Contras 466 00:25:14,948 --> 00:25:17,690 to assume responsibility for the flight. 467 00:25:17,820 --> 00:25:19,735 The Contras agreed. 468 00:25:19,866 --> 00:25:23,086 This is a private effort, 469 00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:25,785 and in no way is it an effort of a government 470 00:25:25,915 --> 00:25:27,874 or of any agency of this government. 471 00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:30,920 The White House insisted 472 00:25:31,051 --> 00:25:32,356 that Hasenfus was a lone pilot 473 00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,402 working for a private company 474 00:25:34,533 --> 00:25:37,536 supplying arms to the Contras, end of story. 475 00:25:39,407 --> 00:25:41,017 Do you feel more optimistic 476 00:25:41,148 --> 00:25:43,063 than you did a few days ago now that you've had a chance 477 00:25:43,193 --> 00:25:45,805 to talk both to the defense attorney and with your husband? 478 00:25:45,935 --> 00:25:47,328 I won't feel completely optimistic 479 00:25:47,458 --> 00:25:49,112 until I get him home. 480 00:25:49,243 --> 00:25:50,374 Last night, in prison, 481 00:25:50,505 --> 00:25:52,986 Gene Hasenfus signaled his irritation 482 00:25:53,116 --> 00:25:55,379 at being continually forced by his captors 483 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:57,251 to answer questions in public. 484 00:25:57,381 --> 00:25:59,253 What do I think about right now? 485 00:25:59,383 --> 00:26:02,082 I don't like sitting here. I don't even want to be here. 486 00:26:02,212 --> 00:26:03,823 No. 487 00:26:03,953 --> 00:26:06,086 I've been bounced around to these rooms 488 00:26:06,216 --> 00:26:09,306 in front of lights and cameras so much, you can't believe. 489 00:26:09,437 --> 00:26:13,180 And it's--I'm not used to it, and I don't care for it. 490 00:26:14,094 --> 00:26:15,878 Hasenfus, it turned out, 491 00:26:16,009 --> 00:26:18,402 was the one hostage in the story of Iran-Contra 492 00:26:18,533 --> 00:26:22,102 whom Reagan didn't seem interested in saving. 493 00:26:22,232 --> 00:26:24,234 But then a news report came out 494 00:26:24,365 --> 00:26:27,237 linking the resupply operation back to Oliver North. 495 00:26:30,763 --> 00:26:32,373 Hasenfus and the people he was working for 496 00:26:32,503 --> 00:26:34,375 had not been especially careful 497 00:26:34,505 --> 00:26:37,117 in covering their tracks. 498 00:26:37,247 --> 00:26:40,555 And reporters were able to get all of the phone records 499 00:26:40,686 --> 00:26:42,818 of the safe house that Eugene Hasenfus 500 00:26:42,949 --> 00:26:44,907 had been seen at. 501 00:26:45,038 --> 00:26:47,823 And that included phone calls to Ollie North's office. 502 00:26:52,132 --> 00:26:54,438 We've got some people, 503 00:26:54,569 --> 00:26:56,440 perhaps in the National Security Council 504 00:26:56,571 --> 00:26:59,574 who have been watching too many Rambo movies. 505 00:26:59,705 --> 00:27:02,403 I personally believe it's imperative that we hear 506 00:27:02,533 --> 00:27:04,274 from the National Security Council. 507 00:27:04,405 --> 00:27:06,276 I think we need to hear from Mr. Oliver North 508 00:27:06,407 --> 00:27:09,062 under oath. 509 00:27:09,192 --> 00:27:10,454 It felt a little bit like Watergate, 510 00:27:10,585 --> 00:27:13,022 that moment in Watergate 511 00:27:13,153 --> 00:27:14,894 when all of a sudden you realize 512 00:27:15,024 --> 00:27:18,201 this is a bigger story than we realized. 513 00:27:18,332 --> 00:27:21,944 A CIA operation, a CIA-operated plane, 514 00:27:22,075 --> 00:27:25,034 CIA-paid people were caught red-handed. 515 00:27:27,341 --> 00:27:28,472 Sorry to trouble you, sir. 516 00:27:28,603 --> 00:27:29,952 Could you just tell us what the press-- 517 00:27:30,083 --> 00:27:31,214 Why don't you go back home where you belong? 518 00:27:31,345 --> 00:27:32,259 Yes. Could you tell us, sir, 519 00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:33,608 what has happened to the money? 520 00:27:33,739 --> 00:27:35,175 All kinds of people called me-- 521 00:27:35,305 --> 00:27:38,439 North, McFarlane, etcetera. 522 00:27:38,569 --> 00:27:41,050 And the whole thing just started to unravel. 523 00:27:41,181 --> 00:27:44,053 My front yard was filled with reporters 524 00:27:44,184 --> 00:27:47,927 faster than you can say your name. 525 00:27:48,057 --> 00:27:51,452 Why were they dealing directly with Oliver North? 526 00:27:51,582 --> 00:27:53,889 Where was this money coming from? 527 00:27:54,020 --> 00:27:55,499 Who had paid for the airplane? 528 00:27:55,630 --> 00:27:56,936 Who had paid for the shipment? 529 00:28:01,462 --> 00:28:03,116 And the biggest question, 530 00:28:03,246 --> 00:28:04,247 the overarching question, of course, was-- 531 00:28:04,378 --> 00:28:06,336 how deeply was 532 00:28:06,467 --> 00:28:08,164 the Reagan administration involved in this? 533 00:28:12,778 --> 00:28:14,736 Up until this point, 534 00:28:14,867 --> 00:28:17,608 Project Democracy had yet to encounter a problem 535 00:28:17,739 --> 00:28:20,524 that couldn't be fixed with a bit of PR. 536 00:28:20,655 --> 00:28:23,397 When the airplane went down 537 00:28:23,527 --> 00:28:25,529 that contained arms 538 00:28:25,660 --> 00:28:28,054 that were intended for the Contras, 539 00:28:28,184 --> 00:28:30,534 it basically proved the case 540 00:28:30,665 --> 00:28:34,495 that we had every right to be concerned 541 00:28:34,625 --> 00:28:37,628 that the administration was doing something 542 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:40,066 violating the Boland Amendment. 543 00:28:40,196 --> 00:28:42,938 That has always been something that the White House 544 00:28:43,069 --> 00:28:45,071 says will never happen. 545 00:28:45,201 --> 00:28:47,073 And yet it happened yesterday 546 00:28:47,203 --> 00:28:49,292 with three Americans dying. 547 00:28:49,423 --> 00:28:51,947 This city is awash with rumor, 548 00:28:52,078 --> 00:28:54,558 intrigue, treachery. 549 00:28:54,689 --> 00:28:56,560 Laws have been broken. 550 00:28:56,691 --> 00:28:58,693 At the very center of the White House, 551 00:28:58,824 --> 00:29:02,871 there has been the most unbelievable revelations. 552 00:29:05,613 --> 00:29:08,268 The number of times that Oliver North's superiors 553 00:29:08,398 --> 00:29:11,314 were called up to the subcommittee 554 00:29:11,445 --> 00:29:14,361 to testify about news reports 555 00:29:14,491 --> 00:29:16,406 that they were secretly resupplying the Contras 556 00:29:16,537 --> 00:29:18,669 in violation of congressional law. 557 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,411 And they just falsified the testimony. 558 00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:24,284 They lied again and again and again. 559 00:29:24,414 --> 00:29:28,027 What you realize is that 560 00:29:28,157 --> 00:29:31,682 people are operating on their own 561 00:29:31,813 --> 00:29:36,470 without any kind of supervision, 562 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,951 without any kind of rule of law. 563 00:29:41,518 --> 00:29:45,000 Basically, you're dealing with, 564 00:29:45,131 --> 00:29:48,787 you know, a group that feels 565 00:29:48,917 --> 00:29:51,050 it's licensed to do whatever the hell they want. 566 00:29:53,879 --> 00:29:56,664 The curtain had really been pulled back 567 00:29:56,795 --> 00:29:59,580 on these illegal operations, 568 00:29:59,710 --> 00:30:02,452 and the scandal literally started 569 00:30:02,583 --> 00:30:04,715 to unravel right there. 570 00:30:04,846 --> 00:30:08,154 And then just a couple weeks later, 571 00:30:08,284 --> 00:30:10,286 the Iran side of it escalated. 572 00:30:47,062 --> 00:30:50,065 Just weeks after the Hasenfus crash in Nicaragua, 573 00:30:50,196 --> 00:30:53,590 two operatives from Iran arrived in Beirut. 574 00:30:53,721 --> 00:30:55,288 They were on a secret mission 575 00:30:55,418 --> 00:30:56,985 to find a trustworthy journalist 576 00:30:57,116 --> 00:30:58,247 and leak him a story. 577 00:31:03,949 --> 00:31:06,473 The operatives knew Hassan Sabra 578 00:31:06,603 --> 00:31:08,475 was a supporter of the Iranian Revolution. 579 00:32:30,861 --> 00:32:32,689 Sabra's magazine, Ash-Shiraa, 580 00:32:32,820 --> 00:32:36,389 had been reporting on the Iran-Iraq war for years. 581 00:32:36,519 --> 00:32:38,782 Iraq's 190,000-man army 582 00:32:38,913 --> 00:32:41,437 has been lavishly equipped by the Soviet Union. 583 00:32:41,568 --> 00:32:43,744 For the Iraqi, it is a conventional war. 584 00:32:43,874 --> 00:32:46,703 For the Iranians, it is nonconventional. 585 00:32:48,618 --> 00:32:50,272 It is guerrilla warfare. 586 00:32:50,403 --> 00:32:51,708 Responding to the Ayatollah's call, 587 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,406 thousands of young Iranians 588 00:32:53,536 --> 00:32:55,582 have taken up arms against the Iraqis. 589 00:32:55,712 --> 00:32:57,584 It is these amateur soldiers 590 00:32:57,714 --> 00:32:59,325 who will have the job of trying 591 00:32:59,455 --> 00:33:03,851 to break through the lines of Iraqi tanks and guns. 592 00:33:03,982 --> 00:33:06,332 For years, Iran had been holding its own 593 00:33:06,462 --> 00:33:07,986 in the conflict, 594 00:33:08,116 --> 00:33:09,465 but in recent months, something had shifted. 595 00:33:09,596 --> 00:33:11,293 It seemed to Sabra 596 00:33:11,424 --> 00:33:13,121 that Iran had gained a decisive advantage. 597 00:33:29,094 --> 00:33:31,400 The men from Tehran who had shown up 598 00:33:31,531 --> 00:33:34,969 at Hassan Sabra's office seemed to have an explanation. 599 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:37,232 They told him that representatives 600 00:33:37,363 --> 00:33:39,278 of the Reagan White House had been in Iran 601 00:33:39,408 --> 00:33:42,020 to negotiate an unthinkable deal. 602 00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:03,302 And it was a really good story. 603 00:34:03,432 --> 00:34:05,608 I mean, all kinds of journalistic bells 604 00:34:05,739 --> 00:34:07,523 started ringing in my head. 605 00:34:07,654 --> 00:34:08,872 I said, "This is a scoop. 606 00:34:09,003 --> 00:34:10,352 I have got to write this story." 607 00:34:12,572 --> 00:34:15,749 It was so outlandish, you know, 608 00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:17,838 the key and the cake and the Bible 609 00:34:17,968 --> 00:34:23,322 and the fact that it was the Reagan administration. 610 00:34:23,452 --> 00:34:24,758 You know, we were cut off from what was going on 611 00:34:24,888 --> 00:34:26,673 in the rest of the world. 612 00:34:26,803 --> 00:34:30,024 There was no electricity, so we didn't watch CNN a lot. 613 00:34:30,155 --> 00:34:32,896 So this was really a newsmaker for me. 614 00:34:33,027 --> 00:34:34,724 This was a scoop. 615 00:34:48,825 --> 00:34:50,697 I think I may have called him 616 00:34:50,827 --> 00:34:52,438 when I was writing the story. 617 00:34:52,568 --> 00:34:54,962 I wanted to see if there was a story behind the story. 618 00:34:55,093 --> 00:34:56,398 And, actually, there was. 619 00:35:18,203 --> 00:35:20,770 For me, working for an American newspaper, 620 00:35:20,901 --> 00:35:23,382 it was, "Wow, you know, this puts 621 00:35:23,512 --> 00:35:25,166 the administration on the spot." 622 00:35:25,297 --> 00:35:28,517 And there were all these contradictory things, you know. 623 00:35:28,648 --> 00:35:30,171 The Americans were going around the world 624 00:35:30,302 --> 00:35:33,696 telling Europe and others, "Don't sell weapons to Iran," 625 00:35:33,827 --> 00:35:35,785 yet they were doing it. 626 00:35:35,916 --> 00:35:39,354 And the fact that it was so intimately involved 627 00:35:39,485 --> 00:35:42,401 with the fate of the hostages. 628 00:35:42,531 --> 00:35:46,100 So it was this tapestry of intrigue. 629 00:35:46,231 --> 00:35:48,494 I was investigating all of this stuff. 630 00:35:48,624 --> 00:35:52,672 I was talking to people I knew in the government. 631 00:35:52,802 --> 00:35:54,108 And even they told me 632 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,197 they couldn't put the pieces together. 633 00:35:56,328 --> 00:36:01,376 So none of us quite got to the nub of the matter until, 634 00:36:01,507 --> 00:36:03,552 to our shame as journalists, 635 00:36:03,683 --> 00:36:06,294 a Lebanese magazine called Ash-Shiraa 636 00:36:06,425 --> 00:36:08,601 got a terrific scoop. 637 00:36:08,731 --> 00:36:10,342 I wrote a really detailed story, 638 00:36:10,472 --> 00:36:11,952 and my foreign editor, 639 00:36:12,082 --> 00:36:13,823 who was friends with Bud McFarlane, 640 00:36:13,954 --> 00:36:15,347 called him up and said, 641 00:36:15,477 --> 00:36:16,696 "I want you to be honest with me. 642 00:36:16,826 --> 00:36:19,829 Were you in Tehran in September?" 643 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,180 And McFarlane said, "No." 644 00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:24,747 It had all the other details of the story. 645 00:36:24,878 --> 00:36:27,707 But, in fact, he had gone to Iran in May. 646 00:36:27,837 --> 00:36:30,492 So they played down the story. 647 00:36:30,623 --> 00:36:32,625 There have been reports that you were carrying a cake 648 00:36:32,755 --> 00:36:34,888 that was shaped like a key, that you were carrying a Bible, 649 00:36:35,018 --> 00:36:36,672 that you took personal revolvers 650 00:36:36,803 --> 00:36:38,370 for Rafsanjani as well. 651 00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:39,806 Any parts of those reports true? 652 00:36:41,590 --> 00:36:42,722 Tom, you know me better than that. 653 00:36:42,852 --> 00:36:44,811 I don't do business that way. 654 00:36:44,941 --> 00:36:46,595 And then Rafsanjani 655 00:36:46,726 --> 00:36:48,510 gave a press conference in Tehran 656 00:36:48,641 --> 00:36:50,904 in which he detailed 657 00:36:51,034 --> 00:36:53,689 the story, you know, how they had met 658 00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:57,606 and the key and the cake and the whole enchilada. 659 00:36:57,737 --> 00:36:59,434 We were told that 660 00:36:59,565 --> 00:37:02,176 he was carrying some pistol 661 00:37:02,307 --> 00:37:07,964 for the individual authorities in Iran 662 00:37:08,095 --> 00:37:09,662 and a cake. 663 00:37:09,792 --> 00:37:12,969 It was the most important scoop that year. 664 00:37:13,100 --> 00:37:15,537 The whole world paid attention to it. 665 00:37:17,626 --> 00:37:21,282 When the story broke about our trip, 666 00:37:21,413 --> 00:37:24,851 my wife and I were actually celebrating her birthday, 667 00:37:24,981 --> 00:37:27,070 and we had just finished a wonderful dinner 668 00:37:27,201 --> 00:37:29,203 when I got paged-- 669 00:37:29,334 --> 00:37:32,032 we still had pagers in those days-- 670 00:37:32,162 --> 00:37:33,990 by the White House Situation Room 671 00:37:34,121 --> 00:37:37,907 to tell me about the Ash-Shiraa story 672 00:37:38,038 --> 00:37:40,214 that revealed that a U.S. delegation 673 00:37:40,345 --> 00:37:43,913 had come to Iran to try to, you know, 674 00:37:44,044 --> 00:37:46,742 bring about the release of the hostages, 675 00:37:46,873 --> 00:37:49,484 and we had brought a cake in the shape of a key 676 00:37:49,615 --> 00:37:51,965 and other things that weren't quite accurate. 677 00:37:52,095 --> 00:37:53,793 But enough of it was true 678 00:37:53,923 --> 00:37:57,187 so that I immediately understood 679 00:37:57,318 --> 00:38:01,148 that the future was going to be very different for my life. 680 00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:02,802 That these were 681 00:38:02,932 --> 00:38:05,283 straight "arms for hostage" swaps 682 00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:07,589 immediately set off a storm in Washington 683 00:38:07,720 --> 00:38:11,071 because that was not the policy of the United States. 684 00:38:11,201 --> 00:38:13,029 It was a policy that Ronald Reagan 685 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,814 and his secretary of state, George Shultz, 686 00:38:14,944 --> 00:38:16,685 had said they would not follow. 687 00:38:16,816 --> 00:38:19,166 It would have been illegal to do it. 688 00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:20,733 So what was this about? 689 00:38:20,863 --> 00:38:22,735 Could I suggest an appeal to all of you 690 00:38:22,865 --> 00:38:24,171 in regard to this, that the speculation, 691 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:26,042 the commenting and all? 692 00:38:26,173 --> 00:38:28,915 On a story that came out of the Middle East, 693 00:38:29,045 --> 00:38:31,657 it has no foundation, 694 00:38:31,787 --> 00:38:34,312 that all of that is making it more difficult for us 695 00:38:34,442 --> 00:38:37,010 in our efforts to get the other hostages freed. 696 00:38:39,447 --> 00:38:43,016 You could be clever with your words and say, 697 00:38:43,146 --> 00:38:45,453 "Yeah, we weren't really negotiating with terrorists," 698 00:38:45,584 --> 00:38:48,326 but, effectively, we were. 699 00:38:48,456 --> 00:38:51,807 We negotiated with Israel to help Israel decide 700 00:38:51,938 --> 00:38:54,244 to do something that terrorists wanted, 701 00:38:54,375 --> 00:38:57,378 and then the terrorists did what they said 702 00:38:57,509 --> 00:38:59,815 they were going to do and released those hostages. 703 00:38:59,946 --> 00:39:02,035 So sometimes it worked, 704 00:39:02,165 --> 00:39:04,124 and violence was averted. 705 00:39:04,254 --> 00:39:05,821 And sometimes it didn't. 706 00:39:05,952 --> 00:39:08,084 And as far as Weinberger 707 00:39:08,215 --> 00:39:09,608 and Secretary Shultz were concerned, 708 00:39:09,738 --> 00:39:11,305 we were dealing with terrorists, 709 00:39:11,436 --> 00:39:13,960 and it made them very uncomfortable. 710 00:39:16,092 --> 00:39:17,616 When the news broke, 711 00:39:17,746 --> 00:39:19,922 we were getting onto Air Force One, 712 00:39:20,053 --> 00:39:22,882 and a correspondent shouted to Reagan 713 00:39:23,012 --> 00:39:25,537 a question about Bud McFarlane 714 00:39:25,667 --> 00:39:28,104 going to Iran-- 715 00:39:28,235 --> 00:39:30,672 and could you comment on it? 716 00:39:30,803 --> 00:39:32,848 And Reagan did not answer the question. 717 00:39:35,721 --> 00:39:38,158 November 4, 1986 718 00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:41,335 was not a good day for Ronald Reagan. 719 00:39:41,466 --> 00:39:42,771 Good evening. Virtually all the polls 720 00:39:42,902 --> 00:39:44,730 have closed in all of the states now. 721 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:46,732 And what we know at this hour is that the Democrats 722 00:39:46,862 --> 00:39:49,604 have taken control of the United States Senate, 723 00:39:49,735 --> 00:39:52,781 and it may be by a significantly larger margin 724 00:39:52,912 --> 00:39:55,393 than even they had anticipated in their wildest hopes. 725 00:39:55,523 --> 00:39:57,003 Well, Jane, clearly the new numbers 726 00:39:57,133 --> 00:39:58,134 mean it's going to be a different ball game 727 00:39:58,265 --> 00:39:59,832 for President Ronald Reagan 728 00:39:59,962 --> 00:40:01,703 from here on through the end of his term. 729 00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:03,401 Standing by in our Washington studios this morning 730 00:40:03,531 --> 00:40:05,228 is White House Chief of Staff Donald Regan. 731 00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:07,883 - Good morning, Mr. Regan. - Good morning, Bryant. 732 00:40:08,014 --> 00:40:09,885 In spite of his campaign blitz, 733 00:40:10,016 --> 00:40:12,061 the president had failed to inspire the nation 734 00:40:12,192 --> 00:40:14,934 to keep the Senate on his side. 735 00:40:15,064 --> 00:40:17,850 For the first time in his six years as president, 736 00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:19,634 Reagan would be working with a Congress 737 00:40:19,765 --> 00:40:21,984 under Democratic control. 738 00:40:22,115 --> 00:40:23,682 Wasn't this, Mr. Regan, 739 00:40:23,812 --> 00:40:25,205 a personal rebuff for the president? 740 00:40:25,335 --> 00:40:26,685 I mean, we can run down the laundry list, 741 00:40:26,815 --> 00:40:27,816 and, frankly, it looks pretty bad. 742 00:40:29,818 --> 00:40:31,429 To make matters worse for Reagan, 743 00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,127 the press would not let up on the Iran story. 744 00:40:42,135 --> 00:40:43,789 The White House scrambled 745 00:40:43,919 --> 00:40:45,791 to get on top of the story, but they had a problem. 746 00:40:45,921 --> 00:40:48,968 Very few of them knew exactly what had gone on. 747 00:40:49,098 --> 00:40:50,752 But there were plenty of officials 748 00:40:50,883 --> 00:40:54,016 who wanted to jump in and control the story. 749 00:40:54,147 --> 00:40:56,628 And so officials began telling stories 750 00:40:56,758 --> 00:40:58,325 that conflicted with each other. 751 00:40:58,456 --> 00:41:00,980 They told stories that didn't make sense internally. 752 00:41:01,110 --> 00:41:03,243 We rather quickly came to realize 753 00:41:03,373 --> 00:41:05,158 there is something seriously amiss. 754 00:41:07,290 --> 00:41:09,249 In November of 1986, 755 00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:11,904 the president once again hosted a ceremony 756 00:41:12,034 --> 00:41:15,429 in the White House Rose Garden for a recently released hostage. 757 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,475 By now, this was a familiar ritual. 758 00:41:30,792 --> 00:41:32,315 Unlike the other ceremonies, 759 00:41:32,446 --> 00:41:34,970 this one was occurring amid a very public scandal 760 00:41:35,101 --> 00:41:38,974 about covert arms sales to a terrorist country. 761 00:41:39,105 --> 00:41:40,802 Mr. President, the Iranians are saying 762 00:41:40,933 --> 00:41:42,369 that if you'll release some of those weapons, 763 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,763 they'll intercede to free the rest of the hostages. 764 00:41:44,893 --> 00:41:45,981 Will you? 765 00:41:57,384 --> 00:41:58,951 The White House's 766 00:41:59,081 --> 00:42:00,779 awkward public attempts at evasion 767 00:42:00,909 --> 00:42:03,172 only added to the press's interest. 768 00:42:03,303 --> 00:42:04,913 I'm not supposed to take questions, 769 00:42:05,044 --> 00:42:07,350 but I will answer that one, Sam. 770 00:42:07,481 --> 00:42:10,832 At00 tonight, tune in, and you'll hear all. 771 00:42:10,963 --> 00:42:13,879 And so, on the evening of November 13th, 772 00:42:14,009 --> 00:42:16,272 Reagan delivered his first full public statement 773 00:42:16,403 --> 00:42:18,884 on the Iranian arms deal. 774 00:42:19,014 --> 00:42:20,450 Good evening. 775 00:42:20,581 --> 00:42:22,235 I know you've been reading, seeing, 776 00:42:22,365 --> 00:42:24,280 and hearing a lot of stories the past several days. 777 00:42:24,411 --> 00:42:26,544 A charge has been made that the United States 778 00:42:26,674 --> 00:42:29,547 has shipped weapons to Iran as ransom payment 779 00:42:29,677 --> 00:42:32,419 for the release of American hostages in Lebanon, 780 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:34,508 that the United States undercut its allies 781 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,206 and secretly violated American policy 782 00:42:37,337 --> 00:42:39,818 against trafficking with terrorists. 783 00:42:39,948 --> 00:42:43,604 Those charges are utterly false. 784 00:42:43,735 --> 00:42:45,475 Relying on the advice of his trusted aide, 785 00:42:45,606 --> 00:42:48,130 John Poindexter, Reagan insisted 786 00:42:48,261 --> 00:42:49,958 that what the White House had done 787 00:42:50,089 --> 00:42:52,352 was consistent with their policy. 788 00:42:52,482 --> 00:42:55,616 There's a saying in Arabic that, 789 00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:59,141 "They're not doing it for the blackness of your eyes," 790 00:42:59,272 --> 00:43:01,361 you know, or the beauty of your eyes. 791 00:43:01,491 --> 00:43:04,146 There's some other interest, some other agenda. 792 00:43:04,277 --> 00:43:05,583 ...those who commit terrorist acts... 793 00:43:05,713 --> 00:43:08,586 It signaled to me that, in politics, 794 00:43:08,716 --> 00:43:11,153 there is no idealism, there are no ideals. 795 00:43:11,284 --> 00:43:12,981 There are interests. 796 00:43:13,112 --> 00:43:15,375 Sometimes they intersect. 797 00:43:15,505 --> 00:43:19,205 And what is expedient is the policy of the day. 798 00:43:23,296 --> 00:43:25,124 Good evening. 799 00:43:25,254 --> 00:43:28,127 This is the CBS Evening News, Dan Rather reporting. 800 00:43:28,257 --> 00:43:31,173 A new Los Angeles Times poll just released indicates 801 00:43:31,304 --> 00:43:34,220 only 14% of the American people 802 00:43:34,350 --> 00:43:36,875 believe what President Reagan has told them 803 00:43:37,005 --> 00:43:39,007 about his weapons deals with Iran. 804 00:43:39,138 --> 00:43:42,010 He obviously designed the 12 minutes 805 00:43:42,141 --> 00:43:46,928 to mislead or to sort of obfuscate. 806 00:43:47,059 --> 00:43:48,147 And Ronald Reagan doesn't come off very well 807 00:43:48,277 --> 00:43:49,931 when he does that. 808 00:43:50,062 --> 00:43:53,935 I still feel strongly as a White House watcher 809 00:43:54,066 --> 00:43:55,197 that the most important thing to them was, 810 00:43:55,328 --> 00:43:56,938 the heck with policy, 811 00:43:57,069 --> 00:43:59,027 let's get these hostages home before the election. 812 00:44:01,073 --> 00:44:02,944 The speech was widely regarded 813 00:44:03,075 --> 00:44:04,293 as a disaster for the president. 814 00:44:05,773 --> 00:44:09,516 I certainly wasn't excited about his performance. 815 00:44:09,647 --> 00:44:13,563 I thought that it was not a good explanation 816 00:44:13,694 --> 00:44:17,002 of all that we were trying to do. 817 00:44:17,132 --> 00:44:20,658 It concerned me because I began to realize 818 00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:23,443 that the president wasn't going to be able 819 00:44:23,573 --> 00:44:27,142 to explain this well to the American people. 820 00:44:27,273 --> 00:44:28,927 It was a watershed moment 821 00:44:29,057 --> 00:44:31,103 in the Iran-Contra affair. 822 00:44:31,233 --> 00:44:33,279 Reagan had now publicly adopted 823 00:44:33,409 --> 00:44:36,151 an inaccurate version of events, 824 00:44:36,282 --> 00:44:38,676 and not only did the public think he was lying, 825 00:44:38,806 --> 00:44:40,416 some members of his own administration 826 00:44:40,547 --> 00:44:41,940 were losing confidence, too. 827 00:44:44,812 --> 00:44:48,033 Soon, Secretary of State George Shultz, 828 00:44:48,163 --> 00:44:51,079 who had always opposed the weapons sales to Iran, 829 00:44:51,210 --> 00:44:53,081 gave an interview that revealed the power struggle 830 00:44:53,212 --> 00:44:55,605 going on within the White House. 831 00:44:55,736 --> 00:44:57,477 I had not been willing to go 832 00:44:57,607 --> 00:44:59,653 on any of the shows or whatever. 833 00:44:59,784 --> 00:45:03,352 And then I was told that a decision had been made 834 00:45:03,483 --> 00:45:06,007 to stop all arms sales. 835 00:45:06,138 --> 00:45:08,662 So I agreed to go on Face the Nation. 836 00:45:08,793 --> 00:45:12,274 And as I was getting ready to go over to the studio 837 00:45:12,405 --> 00:45:14,320 on a Sunday morning, 838 00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:16,496 I was told the decision had changed 839 00:45:16,626 --> 00:45:19,107 and arms sales were gonna continue. 840 00:45:19,238 --> 00:45:21,719 But I was on the hook to go. 841 00:45:21,849 --> 00:45:24,156 So Lesley, toward the end of her show, 842 00:45:24,286 --> 00:45:26,245 said... 843 00:45:26,375 --> 00:45:28,638 I'll ask it again--will there be any more arms shipments 844 00:45:28,769 --> 00:45:31,119 to Iran, either directly by the United States 845 00:45:31,250 --> 00:45:33,339 or through any third parties? 846 00:45:33,469 --> 00:45:36,516 Under the circumstances of Iran's war with Iraq, 847 00:45:36,646 --> 00:45:38,561 its pursuit of terrorism, 848 00:45:38,692 --> 00:45:41,347 its association with those holding our hostages, 849 00:45:41,477 --> 00:45:45,133 I would certainly say, as far as I'm concerned, no. 850 00:45:45,264 --> 00:45:47,266 Do you have the authority to speak 851 00:45:47,396 --> 00:45:49,137 for the entire administration? 852 00:45:49,268 --> 00:45:50,486 No. 853 00:45:50,617 --> 00:45:53,402 And I went back to my office 854 00:45:53,533 --> 00:45:55,622 and I told my staff, "When I get back, 855 00:45:55,753 --> 00:45:59,191 I won't be secretary of state anymore." 856 00:45:59,321 --> 00:46:00,540 When the secretary of state 857 00:46:00,670 --> 00:46:02,455 goes public with his lack of confidence 858 00:46:02,585 --> 00:46:04,370 and his disagreements with the president, 859 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:06,589 it is an unusual event in Washington 860 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:09,288 and a sign something is deeply wrong. 861 00:46:11,072 --> 00:46:12,552 I do have the sense 862 00:46:12,682 --> 00:46:15,033 that we are witnessing the disintegration 863 00:46:15,163 --> 00:46:17,339 of this administration's foreign policy. 864 00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:20,952 Your presidency is tottering. 865 00:46:21,082 --> 00:46:24,042 Do you realize this? 866 00:46:24,172 --> 00:46:27,785 It can be saved, but only you can save it 867 00:46:27,915 --> 00:46:33,007 and only if you will talk with us, the Congress. 868 00:46:33,138 --> 00:46:34,400 And it seemed that Congress 869 00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:36,837 now had plans of its own. 870 00:46:36,968 --> 00:46:39,057 And in Congress, there is a mixture of astonishment 871 00:46:39,187 --> 00:46:41,276 and outrage in both parties tonight. 872 00:46:41,407 --> 00:46:44,453 NBC's John Dancy reports now that there were accusations 873 00:46:44,584 --> 00:46:47,282 that the White House had broken the law. 874 00:46:47,413 --> 00:46:50,764 It's like a very, very gigantic jigsaw puzzle 875 00:46:50,895 --> 00:46:53,158 that's got a puzzle on both sides 876 00:46:53,288 --> 00:46:55,247 and is three-dimensional. 877 00:46:55,377 --> 00:46:58,163 So if you don't have great structural vision, 878 00:46:58,293 --> 00:46:59,642 you're gonna have-- 879 00:46:59,773 --> 00:47:03,298 Yeah, a Rubik's cube is a better example. 880 00:47:03,429 --> 00:47:05,083 You know, it was too much for the press 881 00:47:05,213 --> 00:47:07,302 to try to uncover all of this. 882 00:47:07,433 --> 00:47:09,696 There needed to be independent investigations. 883 00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:12,568 We needed the subpoena power 884 00:47:12,699 --> 00:47:15,702 that can come through congressional investigations. 885 00:47:15,833 --> 00:47:19,140 The administration was awash in scandal. 886 00:47:19,271 --> 00:47:21,186 But the biggest bombshell of all, 887 00:47:21,316 --> 00:47:23,753 the illegal diversion of profits from the Iran deal 888 00:47:23,884 --> 00:47:25,973 to the Contras, had yet to be discovered. 889 00:47:27,714 --> 00:47:29,585 Ronald Reagan, 890 00:47:29,716 --> 00:47:32,371 who was used to basking in the glow of stage lights, 891 00:47:32,501 --> 00:47:36,201 suddenly found their glare to be a little too bright. 892 00:47:36,331 --> 00:47:39,465 Meanwhile, with investigations looming, 893 00:47:39,595 --> 00:47:41,684 one loyal foot soldier was preparing himself 894 00:47:41,815 --> 00:47:43,338 to take the fall. 70818

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