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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:10,575 --> 00:00:12,360 Previously on "Fiasco"... 2 00:00:14,884 --> 00:00:16,451 A revolution in Nicaragua 3 00:00:16,581 --> 00:00:19,019 brings a new government into power, 4 00:00:19,149 --> 00:00:20,846 and President Reagan believes the Cold War 5 00:00:20,977 --> 00:00:22,805 now has a new front. 6 00:00:25,199 --> 00:00:27,679 When the White House launches a secret campaign 7 00:00:27,810 --> 00:00:31,683 to support an opposition movement known as the Contras, 8 00:00:31,814 --> 00:00:34,425 Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North is tapped to lead the effort. 9 00:00:43,782 --> 00:00:45,436 The Masters golf tourney 10 00:00:45,567 --> 00:00:47,047 in Augusta, Georgia each year 11 00:00:47,177 --> 00:00:49,484 beckons to the greats of the golf world. 12 00:00:49,614 --> 00:00:52,661 The royalty of golf holds sway over the crowded galleries 13 00:00:52,791 --> 00:00:55,229 on their tours around the difficult course. 14 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:02,453 One of the perks of being president 15 00:01:02,584 --> 00:01:04,934 is that if you feel like playing a few rounds of golf 16 00:01:05,065 --> 00:01:08,677 at one of the most prestigious clubs in the world, 17 00:01:08,807 --> 00:01:10,766 you can just make that happen. 18 00:01:10,896 --> 00:01:14,291 In October of 1983, it was a golfing weekend 19 00:01:14,422 --> 00:01:18,948 for President and Mrs. Reagan. 20 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:24,606 They were going to the Augusta National Golf Club. 21 00:01:24,736 --> 00:01:27,522 The club was actually closed, 22 00:01:27,652 --> 00:01:31,917 so it was a perfect time for the Reagans to go. 23 00:01:32,048 --> 00:01:34,442 It was good weather, 24 00:01:34,572 --> 00:01:38,924 and...it was supposed to be a very quiet weekend. 25 00:01:42,711 --> 00:01:44,756 Reagan was playing golf on the 16th hole... 26 00:01:46,932 --> 00:01:49,761 And someone drove their pickup truck through the gate. 27 00:01:49,892 --> 00:01:53,025 They actually rammed the chain-link fence. 28 00:01:53,156 --> 00:01:57,029 He took two White House staff as hostages at gunpoint, 29 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:02,470 held them, and said he wanted to meet with President Reagan. 30 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,777 The hostage taker was named Charles R. Harris, 31 00:02:05,908 --> 00:02:08,606 and it was remarkable that he made it as far as he did. 32 00:02:08,737 --> 00:02:10,521 Remember, there had been an assassination attempt 33 00:02:10,652 --> 00:02:14,438 made on Reagan in 1981. 34 00:02:14,569 --> 00:02:17,659 Heightened security had become the norm. 35 00:02:17,789 --> 00:02:21,010 The Augusta National Golf Club was totally fenced in, 36 00:02:21,141 --> 00:02:24,970 and it was pointed out that security is quite good, 37 00:02:25,101 --> 00:02:27,843 in addition to our Secret Service and everything. 38 00:02:27,973 --> 00:02:30,498 They knocked the gate down. Initially, the truck backed up, 39 00:02:30,628 --> 00:02:32,369 rammed the gate again, 40 00:02:32,500 --> 00:02:34,850 knocked it completely down, and rode over it. 41 00:02:34,980 --> 00:02:37,853 It was suggested by Chief of Staff Don Regan 42 00:02:37,983 --> 00:02:40,769 to just communicate with him, 43 00:02:40,899 --> 00:02:42,727 try to do it by phone and go from there. 44 00:02:42,858 --> 00:02:45,382 But we've got to get our two hostages, 45 00:02:45,513 --> 00:02:47,689 our two staff, freed. 46 00:02:47,819 --> 00:02:50,213 The president called the phone in the pro shop 47 00:02:50,344 --> 00:02:52,737 to see if he could talk to Harris and broker a deal. 48 00:03:04,096 --> 00:03:05,837 Harris didn't believe 49 00:03:05,968 --> 00:03:07,883 that it was actually Reagan on the line. 50 00:03:08,013 --> 00:03:11,103 So he hung up and pulled the phone out of the wall. 51 00:03:11,234 --> 00:03:13,193 Augusta National was sealed off, 52 00:03:13,323 --> 00:03:16,457 and Air Force One prepared for evacuation. 53 00:03:16,587 --> 00:03:18,981 And then, almost as quickly as it started, 54 00:03:19,111 --> 00:03:20,765 the crisis was over. 55 00:03:20,896 --> 00:03:23,638 About 2 1/2 hours later, 56 00:03:23,768 --> 00:03:25,944 after demands for whiskey and food, 57 00:03:26,075 --> 00:03:29,992 the seventh hostage bolted from the room where he was held 58 00:03:30,122 --> 00:03:31,733 and escaped unharmed. 59 00:03:31,863 --> 00:03:33,343 The subject was captured. 60 00:03:35,563 --> 00:03:36,868 Harris would later say 61 00:03:36,999 --> 00:03:39,262 that a combination of his recent job loss, 62 00:03:39,393 --> 00:03:42,613 Reagan's economic policies, and a bottle of tequila 63 00:03:42,744 --> 00:03:45,877 drove him to go to the Augusta National Club that day. 64 00:03:46,008 --> 00:03:47,966 As hostage incidents go, 65 00:03:48,097 --> 00:03:50,795 this one resolved itself pretty easily. 66 00:03:50,926 --> 00:03:53,711 But if it had happened on any other day, 67 00:03:53,842 --> 00:03:56,453 it would have been a much bigger story. 68 00:03:56,584 --> 00:03:58,194 Good afternoon. 69 00:03:58,325 --> 00:04:00,544 The count of American dead in today's terrorist attack 70 00:04:00,675 --> 00:04:03,982 on the U.S. Marine compound in Beirut stands at 135. 71 00:04:06,420 --> 00:04:09,814 In the middle of the night, in Beirut, at the airport, 72 00:04:09,945 --> 00:04:11,773 where we had marines stationed, 73 00:04:11,903 --> 00:04:14,079 a truck drove through a checkpoint 74 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:16,952 loaded with dynamite, detonated--a suicide attack. 75 00:04:19,215 --> 00:04:21,565 The explosion in Lebanon was the deadliest attack 76 00:04:21,696 --> 00:04:23,393 against U.S. Marines since Iwo Jima. 77 00:04:25,743 --> 00:04:27,571 It was terrible, terrible time for President Reagan. 78 00:04:27,702 --> 00:04:29,051 There are no words 79 00:04:29,181 --> 00:04:31,836 to properly express our outrage 80 00:04:31,967 --> 00:04:33,708 and I think the outrage of all Americans. 81 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:39,235 In many ways, the ongoing conflict in Lebanon 82 00:04:39,366 --> 00:04:41,629 would define Reagan's second term. 83 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:44,022 The blood feud in the Mideast continues. 84 00:04:44,153 --> 00:04:46,764 Lebanon is the arena for nearly everybody's battle. 85 00:04:46,895 --> 00:04:49,985 The country is bleeding for nine years. 86 00:04:50,115 --> 00:04:53,597 We have not more--we want the world not to bleed anymore. 87 00:04:53,728 --> 00:04:55,904 It is the key to understanding how Reagan 88 00:04:56,034 --> 00:04:59,908 would become a captive of his own hostage crisis, 89 00:05:00,038 --> 00:05:02,302 just like Jimmy Carter had before him. 90 00:05:02,432 --> 00:05:04,782 Four Lebanese employees of the Associated Press 91 00:05:04,913 --> 00:05:05,957 in Beirut have disappeared. 92 00:05:06,088 --> 00:05:07,785 Once again, 93 00:05:07,916 --> 00:05:09,265 Americans are held hostage in the Middle East. 94 00:05:09,396 --> 00:05:10,788 They are beating the passengers. 95 00:05:10,919 --> 00:05:12,790 They are threatening to kill them now. 96 00:05:12,921 --> 00:05:15,967 The president had campaigned on the idea of American strength. 97 00:05:16,098 --> 00:05:18,100 I don't understand 98 00:05:18,230 --> 00:05:21,495 why 52 Americans have been held hostage 99 00:05:21,625 --> 00:05:24,106 for almost a year now. 100 00:05:24,236 --> 00:05:25,890 What would he do now that tough talk 101 00:05:26,021 --> 00:05:27,936 was suddenly not enough? 102 00:05:28,066 --> 00:05:29,981 To what lengths would he go 103 00:05:30,112 --> 00:05:32,288 to bring his fellow Americans home? 104 00:05:32,419 --> 00:05:34,682 We've never let up, and we never will 105 00:05:34,812 --> 00:05:37,946 in trying to obtain the freedom of all the hostages. 106 00:05:41,166 --> 00:05:44,256 I'm Leon Neyfakh. 107 00:05:44,387 --> 00:05:49,653 This is " the Story of Iran-Contra." 108 00:05:57,357 --> 00:06:00,316 At Beirut, the jet-set arrive in the same way 109 00:06:00,447 --> 00:06:03,928 they do at all the airports in the world. 110 00:06:04,059 --> 00:06:05,843 Despite its small size, 111 00:06:05,974 --> 00:06:07,715 Lebanon has always wielded great influence 112 00:06:07,845 --> 00:06:10,021 in the Arab world. 113 00:06:10,152 --> 00:06:13,155 The capital city of Beirut was its pearl. 114 00:06:13,285 --> 00:06:15,723 I was born and raised in Beirut. 115 00:06:15,853 --> 00:06:17,377 It was a lovely childhood, 116 00:06:17,507 --> 00:06:22,817 growing up in a country that was, um, peaceful. 117 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:25,210 Lebanon was a very cosmopolitan place. 118 00:06:25,341 --> 00:06:26,995 We spent a lot of time at the beach. 119 00:06:27,125 --> 00:06:29,693 We spent summers in the mountains. 120 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:34,176 And family life was really what it should be. 121 00:06:34,306 --> 00:06:38,223 And I think, looking back, it's what sustained me 122 00:06:38,354 --> 00:06:42,010 during the many hard years of the war in Lebanon. 123 00:06:42,140 --> 00:06:44,186 It was during the mid-1970s, 124 00:06:44,316 --> 00:06:46,667 after nearly two decades of peace, 125 00:06:46,797 --> 00:06:49,104 that Lebanon erupted in civil war. 126 00:06:49,234 --> 00:06:52,368 Lebanon was struggling to maintain a political order 127 00:06:52,499 --> 00:06:54,675 that had been established in the '50s, 128 00:06:54,805 --> 00:06:56,807 something that was called the Compact, 129 00:06:56,938 --> 00:06:59,114 where ethnic groups, as groups, 130 00:06:59,244 --> 00:07:02,857 agree on a balance of power and assigned roles. 131 00:07:02,987 --> 00:07:04,598 One group is the prime minister. 132 00:07:04,728 --> 00:07:06,251 One group gets the presidency. 133 00:07:06,382 --> 00:07:08,645 One group gets the speaker of the parliament. 134 00:07:08,776 --> 00:07:12,257 And that was the structure that had endured. 135 00:07:12,388 --> 00:07:16,566 But it was under severe attack because of the civil war. 136 00:07:18,263 --> 00:07:20,962 Things had kind of started brewing 137 00:07:21,092 --> 00:07:24,313 in '75 and '74. 138 00:07:24,444 --> 00:07:26,837 And then I went for my master's, 139 00:07:26,968 --> 00:07:28,883 and the country blew up in flames. 140 00:07:35,237 --> 00:07:37,674 It's now a year since Lebanon's social tensions 141 00:07:37,805 --> 00:07:41,983 finally and inevitably exploded into war. 142 00:07:42,113 --> 00:07:43,985 There were days that were normal. 143 00:07:44,115 --> 00:07:46,117 There were lulls in the fighting. 144 00:07:46,248 --> 00:07:49,425 And there were days when it was extremely dangerous. 145 00:07:49,556 --> 00:07:52,036 We always had the radio up to our ear 146 00:07:52,167 --> 00:07:54,125 to listen to the news flashes 147 00:07:54,256 --> 00:07:56,693 on the various Lebanese radio stations, 148 00:07:56,824 --> 00:07:58,739 representing various factions. 149 00:08:02,569 --> 00:08:05,876 What was really changing was the most impoverished, 150 00:08:06,007 --> 00:08:09,271 the least powerful, the Shia, were now being emboldened 151 00:08:09,401 --> 00:08:11,839 and strengthened by the resurgence of Iran 152 00:08:11,969 --> 00:08:13,275 under Khomeini. 153 00:08:13,405 --> 00:08:15,364 And so what we saw was 154 00:08:15,495 --> 00:08:18,759 a further splintering of Lebanese democracy, 155 00:08:18,889 --> 00:08:21,718 more violence, more terrorism, 156 00:08:21,849 --> 00:08:23,764 more intimidation. 157 00:08:23,894 --> 00:08:26,288 The Syrian military had intervened. 158 00:08:26,418 --> 00:08:28,986 The Israelis had invaded. 159 00:08:29,117 --> 00:08:33,687 Everyone who was anyone was involved in Lebanon. 160 00:08:36,777 --> 00:08:38,082 Back in Washington, 161 00:08:38,213 --> 00:08:40,171 Reagan's National Security Council 162 00:08:40,302 --> 00:08:42,652 was keeping a close eye on events in the Middle East. 163 00:08:45,133 --> 00:08:47,962 They relied in part on the global alert system 164 00:08:48,092 --> 00:08:51,182 housed in Oliver North's office, room 392. 165 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:57,711 The flashboard was where we put up 166 00:08:57,841 --> 00:09:00,017 the latest incidents-- 167 00:09:00,148 --> 00:09:02,106 who was working on them and what was happening, 168 00:09:02,237 --> 00:09:03,064 and, you know, what were all the steps 169 00:09:03,194 --> 00:09:04,805 that needed to be taken. 170 00:09:04,935 --> 00:09:07,024 And, you know, was sort of a real-time picture 171 00:09:07,155 --> 00:09:09,070 of global terrorism. 172 00:09:11,681 --> 00:09:13,727 Here, again, it's important to go back 173 00:09:13,857 --> 00:09:16,120 to the year 1979. 174 00:09:18,296 --> 00:09:21,473 The year when revolution took hold in Nicaragua, 175 00:09:21,604 --> 00:09:24,172 Ayatollah Khomeini took power in Iran, 176 00:09:24,302 --> 00:09:27,654 52 American citizens were held hostage in Tehran 177 00:09:27,784 --> 00:09:30,918 for 444 days. 178 00:09:31,048 --> 00:09:32,441 The turbulence of that year 179 00:09:32,572 --> 00:09:34,225 had a ripple effect even after it ended. 180 00:09:37,054 --> 00:09:39,100 This was especially the case in the Muslim world. 181 00:09:39,230 --> 00:09:41,798 Khomeini and Iran saw Lebanon 182 00:09:41,929 --> 00:09:43,495 as a way to buffer itself 183 00:09:43,626 --> 00:09:48,065 against American retribution or punishment. 184 00:09:48,196 --> 00:09:52,243 It was a very convenient and strategic alliance with Iran 185 00:09:52,374 --> 00:09:55,290 that continues to this day. 186 00:09:55,420 --> 00:09:57,205 Before the civil war, 187 00:09:57,335 --> 00:10:00,034 Lebanon had been an ally to the United States. 188 00:10:00,164 --> 00:10:01,383 But the instability of the country 189 00:10:01,513 --> 00:10:03,298 had put that in danger. 190 00:10:03,428 --> 00:10:05,387 Now the Khomeini regime in Iran 191 00:10:05,517 --> 00:10:08,303 was trying to stake out a position in Lebanon. 192 00:10:08,433 --> 00:10:11,088 If Iran succeeded in gaining influence in the region, 193 00:10:11,219 --> 00:10:13,438 it would be a disaster for the U.S., 194 00:10:13,569 --> 00:10:17,225 an upset in the global balance of power. 195 00:10:17,355 --> 00:10:19,923 Sensing that things were spiraling out of control, 196 00:10:20,054 --> 00:10:21,969 President Reagan sent an emissary to Lebanon 197 00:10:22,099 --> 00:10:23,448 to negotiate a cease-fire. 198 00:10:25,363 --> 00:10:28,236 Ambassador Habib has informed me 199 00:10:28,366 --> 00:10:30,586 that a plan to resolve the West Beirut crisis 200 00:10:30,717 --> 00:10:33,458 has been agreed upon by all the parties involved. 201 00:10:33,589 --> 00:10:35,243 As part of this plan, 202 00:10:35,373 --> 00:10:37,332 the government of Lebanon has requested, 203 00:10:37,462 --> 00:10:39,116 and I have approved, 204 00:10:39,247 --> 00:10:41,423 the deployment of United States forces to Beirut 205 00:10:41,553 --> 00:10:43,120 as part of a multinational force. 206 00:10:45,514 --> 00:10:48,604 Our purpose will be to assist the Lebanese armed forces 207 00:10:48,735 --> 00:10:50,432 in carrying out their responsibility 208 00:10:50,562 --> 00:10:53,087 for enduring-- ensuring the departure 209 00:10:53,217 --> 00:10:55,176 of PLO leaders, 210 00:10:55,306 --> 00:10:57,047 officers, and combatants in Beirut 211 00:10:57,178 --> 00:10:58,614 from Lebanese territory 212 00:10:58,745 --> 00:11:00,442 under safe and orderly conditions. 213 00:11:03,488 --> 00:11:05,403 But Reagan's attempt to contain the civil war 214 00:11:05,534 --> 00:11:06,840 didn't work. 215 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:10,191 What was meant to be a peacekeeping mission 216 00:11:10,321 --> 00:11:12,976 turned into something else. 217 00:11:13,107 --> 00:11:14,848 When Marines took fire in Lebanon, 218 00:11:14,978 --> 00:11:16,240 the U.S. retaliated. 219 00:11:20,114 --> 00:11:22,464 And they were accused of taking sides. 220 00:11:22,594 --> 00:11:25,989 And so the efforts by the United States 221 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,819 to bring about the removal of all foreign forces... 222 00:11:29,950 --> 00:11:30,820 failed. 223 00:11:32,822 --> 00:11:35,129 Terror and chaos reign in Beirut. 224 00:11:35,259 --> 00:11:37,131 Fighting was as bad, or nearly as bad, 225 00:11:37,261 --> 00:11:38,523 as anything since the civil war 226 00:11:38,654 --> 00:11:41,265 began back in 1975. 227 00:11:41,396 --> 00:11:42,919 Taking direct inspiration 228 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:46,096 from the Iranian hostage crisis of 1979... 229 00:11:46,227 --> 00:11:47,750 Four Lebanese employees 230 00:11:47,881 --> 00:11:49,839 of the Associated Press here in Beirut this morning 231 00:11:49,970 --> 00:11:51,319 are still missing. 232 00:11:51,449 --> 00:11:53,190 Shiite radicals in Lebanon 233 00:11:53,321 --> 00:11:55,453 began to take hostages. 234 00:11:55,584 --> 00:11:57,151 The Iranians weren't the first to do this. 235 00:11:57,281 --> 00:11:59,980 There was a long tradition in Lebanon, 236 00:12:00,110 --> 00:12:01,982 as part of a fight between clans 237 00:12:02,112 --> 00:12:04,811 or between ethnic groups of taking people hostage. 238 00:12:04,941 --> 00:12:06,987 Some argue the Islamic Fundamentalist movement 239 00:12:07,117 --> 00:12:08,728 at the base of the hostage taking 240 00:12:08,858 --> 00:12:12,557 has grown not just in numbers but also in fanaticism. 241 00:12:12,688 --> 00:12:16,561 After 1979, the Iranians came to learn, 242 00:12:16,692 --> 00:12:18,346 as did everybody else in the region, 243 00:12:18,476 --> 00:12:20,478 that you can get a lot of leverage 244 00:12:20,609 --> 00:12:23,220 out of a couple of hostages 245 00:12:23,351 --> 00:12:25,266 when it came to dealing with the United States. 246 00:12:27,355 --> 00:12:29,226 An American diplomat is being held 247 00:12:29,357 --> 00:12:31,141 by kidnappers in Beirut this morning. 248 00:12:31,272 --> 00:12:33,230 Several U.S. citizens have been kidnapped. 249 00:12:33,361 --> 00:12:35,450 a fundamentalist Muslim group 250 00:12:35,580 --> 00:12:37,582 called the Party of God. 251 00:12:37,713 --> 00:12:39,584 And it's threatening what they called a "black fate" 252 00:12:39,715 --> 00:12:41,630 if Washington tries any retaliation. 253 00:12:41,761 --> 00:12:44,720 Our approach-- long, drawn out, 254 00:12:44,851 --> 00:12:48,028 attracting constant media attention-- 255 00:12:48,158 --> 00:12:49,638 that just played to the Iranians 256 00:12:49,769 --> 00:12:51,509 and to the hostage takers. 257 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:55,687 Any kind of hostage situation creates a huge dilemma-- 258 00:12:55,818 --> 00:12:58,255 whether you're going to be able 259 00:12:58,386 --> 00:13:02,520 to recover those hostages safely and securely 260 00:13:02,651 --> 00:13:05,915 or whether or not you are going to be 261 00:13:06,046 --> 00:13:08,135 in a situation where, 262 00:13:08,265 --> 00:13:11,442 because you can't pay ransom, 263 00:13:11,573 --> 00:13:15,403 you're going to basically have to risk losing their lives. 264 00:13:15,533 --> 00:13:17,666 It's a very difficult dilemma. 265 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:19,581 They hold all the cards 266 00:13:19,711 --> 00:13:23,498 once they have these people in their power. 267 00:13:23,628 --> 00:13:25,326 I can get mad enough now to think of a couple of things 268 00:13:25,456 --> 00:13:27,328 we could do to retaliate. 269 00:13:27,458 --> 00:13:29,591 But I would probably be sentencing 270 00:13:29,721 --> 00:13:31,636 a number of Americans to death if I did it. 271 00:13:31,767 --> 00:13:34,117 They knew they had created a business, 272 00:13:34,248 --> 00:13:36,598 and they could extract all kinds of value from it. 273 00:13:36,728 --> 00:13:39,644 And as long as we were not willing 274 00:13:39,775 --> 00:13:44,606 to make anyone pay for this behavior, 275 00:13:44,736 --> 00:13:46,869 it was going to continue, and it did. 276 00:13:48,479 --> 00:13:51,134 In February of 1984, 277 00:13:51,265 --> 00:13:54,224 Reagan withdrew American troops from Lebanon. 278 00:13:54,355 --> 00:13:56,748 It was a controversial move. 279 00:13:56,879 --> 00:14:00,143 Critics believed it signified a win for Islamic terrorism. 280 00:14:01,928 --> 00:14:05,148 It was a low point in the Reagan presidency. 281 00:14:05,279 --> 00:14:07,455 But things were about to get much worse. 282 00:14:09,457 --> 00:14:12,460 Between 1984 and 1985, 283 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:15,506 seven Americans were taken hostage in Beirut. 284 00:14:15,637 --> 00:14:17,552 Among them was Reverend Benjamin Weir, 285 00:14:17,682 --> 00:14:19,467 a Presbyterian minister 286 00:14:19,597 --> 00:14:21,425 who had lived and worked in Lebanon for 30 years. 287 00:14:23,950 --> 00:14:26,256 An American clergyman has been kidnapped in Beirut. 288 00:14:26,387 --> 00:14:29,520 The story is still unfolding. 289 00:14:29,651 --> 00:14:32,088 My father was the representative 290 00:14:32,219 --> 00:14:33,742 of the Presbyterian Church 291 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:36,484 to the people of Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and Iran. 292 00:14:36,614 --> 00:14:38,442 He knew a lot of people. 293 00:14:38,573 --> 00:14:41,445 He was well-known. He was well-liked. 294 00:14:42,533 --> 00:14:45,536 Early on the morning of May 8, 1984, 295 00:14:45,667 --> 00:14:47,277 Reverend Weir and his wife, Carol, 296 00:14:47,408 --> 00:14:48,713 were leaving their apartment. 297 00:14:48,844 --> 00:14:50,411 Police here say he and his wife 298 00:14:50,541 --> 00:14:52,674 were walking down a narrow lane in West Beirut 299 00:14:52,804 --> 00:14:54,894 when three unarmed men overpowered him 300 00:14:55,024 --> 00:14:57,418 and then forced him into a car, which sped away. 301 00:14:57,548 --> 00:14:59,768 My mom tried to fight them off, 302 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:04,077 and they basically just muscled him into the car 303 00:15:04,207 --> 00:15:05,643 and drove off. 304 00:15:05,774 --> 00:15:07,297 I don't think he was kidnapped 305 00:15:07,428 --> 00:15:10,561 for anything that he has said or done. 306 00:15:10,692 --> 00:15:13,695 I think he was kidnapped to give visibility 307 00:15:13,825 --> 00:15:17,394 to the disillusionment people have here 308 00:15:17,525 --> 00:15:21,485 with the American policies in this area. 309 00:15:21,616 --> 00:15:24,445 My father was very aware of his situation 310 00:15:24,575 --> 00:15:26,360 and his surroundings. 311 00:15:26,490 --> 00:15:28,753 He didn't go out that much, to be honest. 312 00:15:28,884 --> 00:15:30,755 I was never really worried about that happening. 313 00:15:45,292 --> 00:15:46,989 In addition to Weir, 314 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,426 the group of hostages included a Catholic priest, 315 00:15:49,557 --> 00:15:51,602 a correspondent for the Associated Press, 316 00:15:51,733 --> 00:15:55,389 and three employees of the American University in Beirut. 317 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:56,868 The White House was most concerned 318 00:15:56,999 --> 00:15:59,175 with one hostage in particular: 319 00:15:59,306 --> 00:16:01,308 a U.S. official named William Buckley. 320 00:16:04,006 --> 00:16:06,356 There is no word at all from Beirut tonight 321 00:16:06,487 --> 00:16:09,272 on the whereabouts of American diplomat William Buckley. 322 00:16:09,403 --> 00:16:11,622 The political officer at the U.S. embassy 323 00:16:11,753 --> 00:16:14,799 was kidnapped this morning as he left for work. 324 00:16:14,930 --> 00:16:17,324 But William Buckley wasn't just a diplomat. 325 00:16:17,454 --> 00:16:19,630 He was a CIA agent. 326 00:16:19,761 --> 00:16:22,677 Before his capture, Buckley's mission had been to rebuild 327 00:16:22,807 --> 00:16:24,722 the agency's Middle Eastern intelligence network. 328 00:16:24,853 --> 00:16:27,769 It was a huge, important job. 329 00:16:27,899 --> 00:16:30,206 CIA director Bill Casey had handpicked Buckley 330 00:16:30,337 --> 00:16:32,339 for the position 331 00:16:32,469 --> 00:16:36,386 after the U.S. embassy bombing in Beirut in 1983. 332 00:16:36,517 --> 00:16:37,561 According to neighbors, 333 00:16:37,692 --> 00:16:39,346 Buckley was just leaving 334 00:16:39,476 --> 00:16:40,912 his apartment building in his car this morning 335 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:42,784 when three gunmen in a white sedan 336 00:16:42,914 --> 00:16:45,830 suddenly drove up and blocked the street. 337 00:16:45,961 --> 00:16:48,920 Buckley had been with the CIA for decades. 338 00:16:49,051 --> 00:16:51,401 His capture was a major security liability 339 00:16:51,532 --> 00:16:53,490 for the Reagan administration, 340 00:16:53,621 --> 00:16:55,231 and his well-being became a top concern 341 00:16:55,362 --> 00:16:56,841 for President Reagan. 342 00:16:56,972 --> 00:16:58,713 The watchman at Buckley's apartment 343 00:16:58,843 --> 00:17:01,368 said one of the gunmen walked up to the diplomat's car, 344 00:17:01,498 --> 00:17:02,586 put a gun to his head, 345 00:17:02,717 --> 00:17:04,762 and ordered him into their car. 346 00:17:04,893 --> 00:17:07,635 But CIA director Casey was especially troubled. 347 00:17:07,765 --> 00:17:09,767 Buckley was one of his men, 348 00:17:09,898 --> 00:17:11,639 and he knew a lot of secrets 349 00:17:11,769 --> 00:17:13,162 that his kidnappers would surely try 350 00:17:13,293 --> 00:17:14,381 to torture out of him. 351 00:17:14,511 --> 00:17:16,383 Bill Casey understood that 352 00:17:16,513 --> 00:17:18,515 if you really want to keep morale up in your agency, 353 00:17:18,646 --> 00:17:19,951 you better let people know you're gonna do everything 354 00:17:20,082 --> 00:17:23,085 you can to not leave them behind. 355 00:17:23,216 --> 00:17:26,610 We tried to use every diplomatic channel we could 356 00:17:26,741 --> 00:17:30,005 to reach the captors. 357 00:17:30,136 --> 00:17:32,486 We didn't know if he was dead or not. 358 00:17:32,616 --> 00:17:34,314 Generally, there's a rule that we had 359 00:17:34,444 --> 00:17:35,967 when I was secretary of defense: 360 00:17:36,098 --> 00:17:38,709 you never leave anybody behind. 361 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,669 You owe that person who was taken 362 00:17:41,799 --> 00:17:44,889 every effort to try to get that person back 363 00:17:45,020 --> 00:17:47,327 securely and safely. 364 00:17:47,457 --> 00:17:48,980 While the Reagan administration 365 00:17:49,111 --> 00:17:51,461 looked for ways to save Buckley, 366 00:17:51,592 --> 00:17:54,769 the family of Benjamin Weir remained in the dark. 367 00:17:54,899 --> 00:17:56,858 Have you had any indication from the state department 368 00:17:56,988 --> 00:17:59,469 or anyone else that your dad is alive? 369 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,906 Well, we hear from time to time 370 00:18:02,037 --> 00:18:05,040 through other sources that he is alive and well. 371 00:18:05,171 --> 00:18:07,086 And everyone assumes that he is alive. 372 00:18:07,216 --> 00:18:09,436 But from day to day, we really don't know if he is alive. 373 00:18:12,830 --> 00:18:16,399 We are wanting to try to have an appointment 374 00:18:16,530 --> 00:18:20,621 with the secretary of state and to the president 375 00:18:20,751 --> 00:18:26,366 to see if we can't speed up the release of these men. 376 00:18:26,496 --> 00:18:28,716 I remember talking to my sisters 377 00:18:28,846 --> 00:18:32,720 and my sisters being upset and my mom being very upset. 378 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:36,506 You know, just the complete lack of information. 379 00:18:36,637 --> 00:18:38,029 My mother was just very worried 380 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,554 about what people would do to him. 381 00:18:40,684 --> 00:18:42,251 She would always say, you know, 382 00:18:42,382 --> 00:18:44,514 "He's a very gentle man." 383 00:18:44,645 --> 00:18:46,386 You know, I think she was worried 384 00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:48,605 that he would be injured in some way 385 00:18:48,736 --> 00:18:51,391 or killed in some way. 386 00:18:51,521 --> 00:18:55,786 And then, suddenly, there was news. 387 00:18:55,917 --> 00:18:59,790 The letter was dated February 15th. 388 00:18:59,921 --> 00:19:04,534 It was mailed February 19th from Beirut. 389 00:19:04,665 --> 00:19:07,972 Reverend Weir's captors released videos and letters, 390 00:19:08,103 --> 00:19:10,323 giving his family the proof of life they were desperate for. 391 00:19:10,453 --> 00:19:12,455 "I am writing to ask you 392 00:19:12,586 --> 00:19:16,155 "to do everything in your means to demand 393 00:19:16,285 --> 00:19:20,333 "that the U.S. government intervene effectively 394 00:19:20,463 --> 00:19:22,596 with the government of Kuwait." 395 00:19:23,858 --> 00:19:26,165 The Shia group holding Reverend Weir 396 00:19:26,295 --> 00:19:29,994 wanted the U.S. to negotiate a prisoner swap with Kuwait, 397 00:19:30,125 --> 00:19:33,128 but the Reagan administration was unwilling to assist. 398 00:19:33,259 --> 00:19:35,435 While President Reagan clearly wanted 399 00:19:35,565 --> 00:19:37,872 to bring about freedom for the hostages, 400 00:19:38,002 --> 00:19:39,961 the American policy was, 401 00:19:40,091 --> 00:19:42,311 "We don't make concessions to terrorists. 402 00:19:42,442 --> 00:19:43,965 We're not gonna compromise." 403 00:19:44,095 --> 00:19:46,359 The United States gives terrorists no rewards 404 00:19:46,489 --> 00:19:47,969 and no guarantees. 405 00:19:48,099 --> 00:19:51,538 We make no concessions. We make no deals. 406 00:19:51,668 --> 00:19:53,801 "We make no deals." 407 00:19:53,931 --> 00:19:55,411 What started as a talking point 408 00:19:55,542 --> 00:19:57,631 in Reagan's campaign 409 00:19:57,761 --> 00:19:59,763 had become a mantra for the administration. 410 00:20:01,852 --> 00:20:03,854 Let me further make it plain to the assassins in Beirut 411 00:20:03,985 --> 00:20:05,726 and their accomplices 412 00:20:05,856 --> 00:20:09,164 that America will never make concessions to terrorists. 413 00:20:09,295 --> 00:20:11,993 We have tried our best, through every kind of channel, 414 00:20:12,123 --> 00:20:13,951 to establish their whereabouts. 415 00:20:14,082 --> 00:20:18,173 It is an extremely difficult, seemingly impossible task. 416 00:20:18,304 --> 00:20:20,436 And no, we haven't given up on them. 417 00:20:20,567 --> 00:20:21,698 We have never given up. 418 00:20:21,829 --> 00:20:24,875 It's--as you can realize, 419 00:20:25,006 --> 00:20:26,964 it's very frustrating. 420 00:20:27,095 --> 00:20:28,444 We're doing everything that can be done, 421 00:20:28,575 --> 00:20:30,054 and I have no further comments 422 00:20:30,185 --> 00:20:31,621 that I'm going to make at this time. 423 00:20:31,752 --> 00:20:33,406 Every government in the modern era 424 00:20:33,536 --> 00:20:35,538 has had to figure out 425 00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:37,801 what to do about hostage-taking and terrorism. 426 00:20:37,932 --> 00:20:40,021 Some governments are more known 427 00:20:40,151 --> 00:20:42,719 for being willing to strike deals. 428 00:20:42,850 --> 00:20:45,940 The United States has almost always had a policy 429 00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:48,899 of no negotiation-- at least a formal policy. 430 00:20:49,030 --> 00:20:52,773 The Reagan White House had made a lot of political hay 431 00:20:52,903 --> 00:20:55,993 out of Jimmy Carter's issues with the hostages in Iran. 432 00:20:56,124 --> 00:20:57,517 We've endured this humiliation 433 00:20:57,647 --> 00:20:59,475 for just lacking one week of a year now. 434 00:20:59,606 --> 00:21:00,824 People have been telling me 435 00:21:00,955 --> 00:21:02,478 that Jimmy Carter's doing his best, 436 00:21:02,609 --> 00:21:03,523 and that's our problem. 437 00:21:04,785 --> 00:21:06,656 It was pretty clear to us 438 00:21:06,787 --> 00:21:08,789 that they were kind of suppressing, 439 00:21:08,919 --> 00:21:10,791 as much as they could, 440 00:21:10,921 --> 00:21:13,576 discussion of hostages or use of the word "hostages," 441 00:21:13,707 --> 00:21:16,492 and they did not want to have a hostage problem 442 00:21:16,623 --> 00:21:18,755 like Jimmy Carter'd had. 443 00:21:18,886 --> 00:21:20,757 Promising retaliation had been easy 444 00:21:20,888 --> 00:21:22,977 when Reagan was welcoming hostages home. 445 00:21:23,107 --> 00:21:26,023 Let terrorists be aware that when the rules 446 00:21:26,154 --> 00:21:29,157 of international behavior are violated, 447 00:21:29,288 --> 00:21:34,118 our policy will be one of swift and effective retribution. 448 00:21:34,249 --> 00:21:36,860 Now it was another thing altogether. 449 00:21:36,991 --> 00:21:41,125 We have used every effort 450 00:21:41,256 --> 00:21:46,087 to see if we can locate who has them, where they are, 451 00:21:46,217 --> 00:21:47,828 whether they're together or separated. 452 00:21:50,004 --> 00:21:52,354 For now, this new hostage crisis 453 00:21:52,485 --> 00:21:54,791 was not receiving the same level of public attention 454 00:21:54,922 --> 00:21:57,925 the 1979 crisis had, 455 00:21:58,055 --> 00:22:01,537 and that was convenient for President Reagan. 456 00:22:01,668 --> 00:22:02,843 But it wouldn't last. 457 00:22:02,973 --> 00:22:05,280 It's been 311 days 458 00:22:05,411 --> 00:22:07,108 since an American Presbyterian minister 459 00:22:07,238 --> 00:22:10,024 was grabbed on the streets of Beirut, 460 00:22:10,154 --> 00:22:13,070 one of four missing Americans presumed to be in the hands 461 00:22:13,201 --> 00:22:16,596 of extremist Shiite Muslims in Lebanon. 462 00:22:16,726 --> 00:22:19,990 As Carol Weir continued to search for answers, 463 00:22:20,121 --> 00:22:21,818 she relied on the personal contacts 464 00:22:21,949 --> 00:22:25,779 she had made during her 30 years in Lebanon. 465 00:22:25,909 --> 00:22:28,608 She knew people, and she knew the players. 466 00:22:28,738 --> 00:22:30,131 Though my mother was not in tune 467 00:22:30,261 --> 00:22:31,828 to all the local political details 468 00:22:31,959 --> 00:22:33,656 like my dad was, 469 00:22:33,787 --> 00:22:36,355 she certainly, you know, was politically aware 470 00:22:36,485 --> 00:22:38,008 of some of the things that were going on. 471 00:22:38,139 --> 00:22:39,967 And, you know, she started trying to figure out 472 00:22:40,097 --> 00:22:41,925 who had him, what was going on, 473 00:22:42,056 --> 00:22:43,884 what did they want, what could she do 474 00:22:44,014 --> 00:22:47,366 to accelerate the process of getting my dad released. 475 00:22:47,496 --> 00:22:49,498 But Carol Weir's questions to Washington 476 00:22:49,629 --> 00:22:51,152 were going unanswered. 477 00:22:51,282 --> 00:22:52,893 We met with Secretary of State George Schultz-- 478 00:22:53,023 --> 00:22:54,895 my mother, myself, 479 00:22:55,025 --> 00:22:58,899 and a couple of the executives of the program agency, 480 00:22:59,029 --> 00:23:01,858 and we found that to be a very, very frustrating meeting 481 00:23:01,989 --> 00:23:04,078 and that Secretary Shultz 482 00:23:04,208 --> 00:23:07,081 really did not have very much information. 483 00:23:07,211 --> 00:23:10,345 We had asked for a meeting with the president. 484 00:23:10,476 --> 00:23:13,217 He said he would convey that to the president. 485 00:23:13,348 --> 00:23:14,697 We were never given an appointment 486 00:23:14,828 --> 00:23:16,046 with the president. 487 00:23:16,177 --> 00:23:17,570 We were told he wouldn't have time. 488 00:23:17,700 --> 00:23:19,006 It was just a very discouraging 489 00:23:19,136 --> 00:23:22,836 and rather disillusioning time for me. 490 00:23:22,966 --> 00:23:24,707 When she finally did hear something, 491 00:23:24,838 --> 00:23:26,535 she was assured the U.S. government 492 00:23:26,666 --> 00:23:28,885 was doing all they could. 493 00:23:29,016 --> 00:23:30,974 They were just being quiet about it. 494 00:23:31,105 --> 00:23:34,021 It became described as "quiet diplomacy." 495 00:23:34,151 --> 00:23:36,806 You know, "You just need to be patient." 496 00:23:36,937 --> 00:23:39,896 To Reagan, quiet diplomacy was working with our allies, 497 00:23:40,027 --> 00:23:41,376 working with the countries 498 00:23:41,507 --> 00:23:44,031 where we had established relationships, 499 00:23:44,161 --> 00:23:47,077 not necessarily holding summits 500 00:23:47,208 --> 00:23:49,210 or press conferences, 501 00:23:49,340 --> 00:23:52,648 but coming up with some kind of at least 502 00:23:52,779 --> 00:23:55,869 a short-term or daily strategy 503 00:23:55,999 --> 00:23:58,567 to try to get the hostages freed. 504 00:23:58,698 --> 00:24:00,003 That was not an answer 505 00:24:00,134 --> 00:24:02,266 that my mother was willing to accept. 506 00:24:02,397 --> 00:24:04,747 None of the American officials were able or willing 507 00:24:04,878 --> 00:24:07,576 to give her any significant information. 508 00:24:07,707 --> 00:24:09,839 And it didn't seem, to her, 509 00:24:09,970 --> 00:24:11,928 that they were making any progress. 510 00:24:12,059 --> 00:24:13,669 So she was very frustrated. 511 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,237 Carol Weir decided then 512 00:24:16,367 --> 00:24:18,631 to take matters into her own hands. 513 00:24:18,761 --> 00:24:19,849 It's been more than ten months 514 00:24:19,980 --> 00:24:21,242 since the Reverend Benjamin Weir 515 00:24:21,372 --> 00:24:23,026 was kidnapped outside his apartment 516 00:24:23,157 --> 00:24:25,115 by terrorists in Beirut. 517 00:24:25,246 --> 00:24:26,682 - Good morning, Mrs. Weir. - Good morning. 518 00:24:26,813 --> 00:24:28,379 Do you think the government 519 00:24:28,510 --> 00:24:32,253 has been doing all it can to gain his release? 520 00:24:32,383 --> 00:24:35,169 Well, I think the government has been at work, 521 00:24:35,299 --> 00:24:40,130 but I think a special effort needs to be made now, 522 00:24:40,261 --> 00:24:43,656 and that's what I'd like to see happen. 523 00:24:43,786 --> 00:24:45,222 Weir began what was essentially 524 00:24:45,353 --> 00:24:47,094 a cross-country press tour. 525 00:24:47,224 --> 00:24:49,966 This has been nearly 11 months 526 00:24:50,097 --> 00:24:53,753 since my husband, the Reverend Benjamin Weir, 527 00:24:53,883 --> 00:24:56,973 was kidnapped in Beirut, Lebanon. 528 00:24:57,104 --> 00:24:59,846 She gave speeches at churches, on TV shows 529 00:24:59,976 --> 00:25:01,282 to anyone who would listen. 530 00:25:01,412 --> 00:25:04,328 I'm convinced that the administration 531 00:25:04,459 --> 00:25:07,984 is not doing enough to get my husband released. 532 00:25:08,115 --> 00:25:10,465 I would like the United States government 533 00:25:10,596 --> 00:25:13,512 to open all channels of communication. 534 00:25:13,642 --> 00:25:16,689 He was kidnapped not because of any relationship 535 00:25:16,819 --> 00:25:19,996 we have had with the Lebanese, 536 00:25:20,127 --> 00:25:23,870 but he was kidnapped because he is an American. 537 00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,176 And once they had the attention of the media, 538 00:25:26,307 --> 00:25:28,788 the Weirs renewed their lobbying efforts. 539 00:25:28,918 --> 00:25:31,965 I am asking the administration 540 00:25:32,095 --> 00:25:35,185 to give a higher priority to this matter. 541 00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:37,927 And I need your help too. 542 00:25:38,058 --> 00:25:41,322 I urge you to write to the president 543 00:25:41,452 --> 00:25:44,368 seeking his personal intervention 544 00:25:44,499 --> 00:25:46,501 for the release of Ben 545 00:25:46,632 --> 00:25:49,504 and the other hostages being held. 546 00:25:49,635 --> 00:25:51,375 We were constantly trying to come up 547 00:25:51,506 --> 00:25:53,508 with a way of delivering the message 548 00:25:53,639 --> 00:25:55,554 that this had gone on long enough. 549 00:25:55,684 --> 00:25:58,034 Part of it was just keeping it in the public eye, 550 00:25:58,165 --> 00:26:01,124 reminding the White House that we were there, 551 00:26:01,255 --> 00:26:03,257 hoping that somebody would be able 552 00:26:03,387 --> 00:26:04,824 to come up with an answer. 553 00:26:04,954 --> 00:26:06,782 - Mrs. Weir, good luck. - Thank you. 554 00:26:06,913 --> 00:26:08,001 We're--we're all with you. 555 00:26:10,003 --> 00:26:12,222 Finally, the Weirs got in direct contact 556 00:26:12,353 --> 00:26:13,397 with the president. 557 00:26:15,312 --> 00:26:18,315 Nope. Not that one. 558 00:26:18,446 --> 00:26:22,711 We asked for a meeting with Jimmy Carter 559 00:26:22,842 --> 00:26:24,539 and put out some feelers, 560 00:26:24,670 --> 00:26:26,628 and some people responded that they could set it up. 561 00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:34,244 So we flew to the airport in Atlanta, 562 00:26:34,375 --> 00:26:38,248 and Jimmy Carter met us in a lounge at the airport. 563 00:26:38,379 --> 00:26:40,947 That the Weirs wanted to meet with former President Carter 564 00:26:41,077 --> 00:26:42,426 may come as a surprise. 565 00:26:42,557 --> 00:26:44,341 Then again, he did have experience 566 00:26:44,472 --> 00:26:46,343 navigating a hostage crisis. 567 00:26:46,474 --> 00:26:49,085 And he was a very humble guy, very modest. 568 00:26:49,216 --> 00:26:50,957 He said, "You know, 569 00:26:51,087 --> 00:26:53,742 I'm not really sure you're gonna want my advice." 570 00:26:53,873 --> 00:26:55,483 And we said, 571 00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:57,833 "No, you know, we really want to hear from you. 572 00:26:57,964 --> 00:26:59,530 "You know, what can we do? 573 00:26:59,661 --> 00:27:01,228 What aren't we doing that we should be doing?" 574 00:27:04,057 --> 00:27:06,276 He said, "You know, Bud McFarlane works 575 00:27:06,407 --> 00:27:07,887 "in the current administration, 576 00:27:08,017 --> 00:27:10,280 "in the National Security Council. 577 00:27:10,411 --> 00:27:13,849 And Bud is a good guy." 578 00:27:13,980 --> 00:27:16,112 And here we should step back to introduce 579 00:27:16,243 --> 00:27:19,028 one of the key players in the Iran-Contra scandal: 580 00:27:20,987 --> 00:27:23,076 Robert "Bud" McFarlane, 581 00:27:23,206 --> 00:27:27,080 who became Reagan's National Security Adviser in 1983. 582 00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:28,124 Mr. President, there's several things 583 00:27:28,255 --> 00:27:29,822 this morning on the agenda. 584 00:27:29,952 --> 00:27:31,301 For McFarlane, 585 00:27:31,432 --> 00:27:33,477 the job of National Security Adviser 586 00:27:33,608 --> 00:27:36,089 was a logical step in a distinguished career 587 00:27:36,219 --> 00:27:38,221 that included two tours in Vietnam 588 00:27:38,352 --> 00:27:40,180 and stints as an aide 589 00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:43,357 for some of the top political minds of his era. 590 00:27:43,487 --> 00:27:46,316 I had worked for Henry Kissinger for four years. 591 00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:50,146 Was on the staff of the Senate Armed Services Committee. 592 00:27:50,277 --> 00:27:52,235 Henry was and remains 593 00:27:52,366 --> 00:27:56,152 a profoundly important influence in my life 594 00:27:56,283 --> 00:28:00,156 in shaping how I go about defining a problem. 595 00:28:00,287 --> 00:28:03,333 As an assistant to Henry Kissinger in 1971, 596 00:28:03,464 --> 00:28:06,119 McFarlane witnessed Kissinger's landmark achievement 597 00:28:06,249 --> 00:28:08,077 of opening relations with China. 598 00:28:08,208 --> 00:28:09,905 And ever since, he had aspired 599 00:28:10,036 --> 00:28:12,386 to a foreign policy trophy of his own. 600 00:28:12,516 --> 00:28:15,389 He had a framework within his mind, 601 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:19,132 which I admired and generally adopted for my own behavior 602 00:28:19,262 --> 00:28:24,224 in analyzing a given set of problems. 603 00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:26,356 My first impressions of Bud McFarlane 604 00:28:26,487 --> 00:28:30,578 was that he was a hard-nosed, strategic thinker. 605 00:28:30,709 --> 00:28:33,668 And I was extremely excited about the prospect 606 00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,627 of actually working with someone who had studied 607 00:28:36,758 --> 00:28:38,064 and worked with Henry Kissinger. 608 00:28:40,327 --> 00:28:43,025 Another member of the National Security Council 609 00:28:43,156 --> 00:28:46,942 was Reagan's secretary of state, George Schultz. 610 00:28:47,073 --> 00:28:48,770 And, as it turned out, 611 00:28:48,901 --> 00:28:51,425 Schultz had a different view of the NSC than McFarlane. 612 00:29:15,231 --> 00:29:19,061 As national security adviser, Bud McFarlane had Reagan's ear. 613 00:29:20,584 --> 00:29:23,370 So the Weirs traveled to Washington to meet with him. 614 00:29:25,589 --> 00:29:29,593 McFarlane's an extremely deliberate speaker. 615 00:29:29,724 --> 00:29:31,421 Very thoughtful guy. 616 00:29:31,552 --> 00:29:34,076 Very calm. 617 00:29:34,207 --> 00:29:36,557 He said, "You know, I understand what's going on. 618 00:29:36,687 --> 00:29:38,515 "We're working on this. 619 00:29:38,646 --> 00:29:40,387 "We're well aware of what you guys are doing. 620 00:29:42,432 --> 00:29:44,347 "And you guys should keep it up. 621 00:29:44,478 --> 00:29:46,436 "And I got a guy on my staff, 622 00:29:46,567 --> 00:29:49,396 "Lieutenant Colonel Oliver North, 623 00:29:49,526 --> 00:29:51,398 "and he will be your contact person. 624 00:29:51,528 --> 00:29:54,314 "And if you have any questions or any issues, 625 00:29:54,444 --> 00:29:57,360 Colonel North will make himself available to you." 626 00:29:57,491 --> 00:29:59,101 The Weirs were thankful 627 00:29:59,232 --> 00:30:01,712 to have a contact in the White House. 628 00:30:01,843 --> 00:30:04,454 But, initially, at least, Oliver North didn't seem 629 00:30:04,585 --> 00:30:07,327 to deliver any further breakthroughs. 630 00:30:07,457 --> 00:30:10,417 Colonel North would provide information from time to time 631 00:30:10,547 --> 00:30:12,506 about trips he was taking. 632 00:30:12,636 --> 00:30:15,161 He wouldn't give any details, but he would say, 633 00:30:15,291 --> 00:30:19,121 "Well, you know, I flew in an F-14 to go to Europe 634 00:30:19,252 --> 00:30:22,081 for a quick meeting that was really important." 635 00:30:22,211 --> 00:30:26,302 They never really gave us any solid information. 636 00:30:26,433 --> 00:30:29,262 It was never really clear to us what they were up to 637 00:30:29,392 --> 00:30:32,265 or what they were doing, and when they thought 638 00:30:32,395 --> 00:30:34,833 the hostage situation would be resolved. 639 00:30:34,963 --> 00:30:37,009 But we did feel like we were finally talking 640 00:30:37,139 --> 00:30:38,749 to the right people. 641 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,969 The Weirs were cautiously optimistic. 642 00:30:43,406 --> 00:30:45,495 But President Reagan's hostage crisis was just beginning. 643 00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:49,195 110 hostages, at least 85 644 00:30:49,325 --> 00:30:53,677 and possibly as many as 102 of them Americans. 645 00:30:53,808 --> 00:30:54,809 Only a few feet from the cockpit. 646 00:30:54,940 --> 00:30:56,332 I can see Captain John Testrake. 647 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,078 When TWA 847 was hijacked, 648 00:31:03,209 --> 00:31:06,255 that specific hostage situation 649 00:31:06,386 --> 00:31:09,302 became nearly all-consuming. 650 00:31:12,653 --> 00:31:14,873 There was very little that happened 651 00:31:15,003 --> 00:31:16,613 where the president didn't ask about hostages. 652 00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:18,572 They said that they would shoot 653 00:31:18,702 --> 00:31:21,531 an American every five minutes 654 00:31:21,662 --> 00:31:24,360 if they did not get their demands. 655 00:31:24,491 --> 00:31:26,493 The hijacking took Reagan's hostage problem 656 00:31:26,623 --> 00:31:28,321 to a new level. 657 00:31:28,451 --> 00:31:30,540 The CBS movie will begin immediately 658 00:31:30,671 --> 00:31:33,848 following the CBS News report on today's hijacking. 659 00:31:33,979 --> 00:31:36,764 This hijacking took TWA Flight 847 660 00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:39,158 on a horror-filled odyssey from almost one end 661 00:31:39,288 --> 00:31:40,637 of the Mediterranean to the other. 662 00:31:40,768 --> 00:31:43,466 TWA Flight 847 lifts off 663 00:31:43,597 --> 00:31:45,991 from Athens, Greece bound for Rome. 664 00:31:46,121 --> 00:31:48,558 Two men who were sitting in the rearmost seats 665 00:31:48,689 --> 00:31:52,084 of the aircraft got up and ran to the front of the plane. 666 00:31:54,434 --> 00:31:57,611 20 minutes into a routine flight from Athens to Rome, 667 00:31:57,741 --> 00:32:01,354 two Shia militants took control of Flight 847 668 00:32:01,484 --> 00:32:06,533 and the 145 passengers aboard, most of them Americans. 669 00:32:06,663 --> 00:32:08,839 They went into the cockpit. 670 00:32:08,970 --> 00:32:12,234 One of them re-emerged with a--with a gun. 671 00:32:12,365 --> 00:32:15,237 The TWA hijackers eventually redirected 672 00:32:15,368 --> 00:32:17,718 the flight to Beirut International Airport. 673 00:32:33,908 --> 00:32:36,171 Pleads from the plane crew became more urgent. 674 00:32:36,302 --> 00:32:38,739 He wants to fuel now. 675 00:32:38,869 --> 00:32:41,220 Immediately. Five minutes, at the most, 676 00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:42,873 or he's going to kill passengers. 677 00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:45,267 We are doing our best. 678 00:32:45,398 --> 00:32:46,877 The hijackers collected passports 679 00:32:47,008 --> 00:32:49,532 and began separating passengers. 680 00:32:49,663 --> 00:32:51,099 Those with Jewish-sounding names 681 00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:52,318 were moved to the front. 682 00:32:54,494 --> 00:32:56,713 Three members of the U.S. military were identified, 683 00:32:56,844 --> 00:32:59,978 putting their lives in danger. 684 00:33:00,108 --> 00:33:03,633 Among them was a U.S. navy diver named Robert Stethem. 685 00:33:03,764 --> 00:33:05,548 Fuel was not all they wanted. 686 00:33:05,679 --> 00:33:07,942 The hijackers demanded that all Lebanese Shiite Muslims 687 00:33:08,073 --> 00:33:10,858 held by Israel be released to the Red Cross. 688 00:33:10,989 --> 00:33:13,730 There are some 700 in Israeli prisons. 689 00:33:13,861 --> 00:33:15,602 After some negotiation, 690 00:33:15,732 --> 00:33:17,734 the plane was refueled in exchange for the release 691 00:33:17,865 --> 00:33:19,780 of 17 women and two children. 692 00:33:19,910 --> 00:33:23,218 I hope everybody back home will pray for us. 693 00:33:23,349 --> 00:33:25,394 But even with their release, 694 00:33:25,525 --> 00:33:28,571 the situation on the plane continued to deteriorate. 695 00:33:28,702 --> 00:33:32,010 That afternoon, the plane is forced to fly to Algiers, 696 00:33:32,140 --> 00:33:35,013 the first of two very long round-trip journeys 697 00:33:35,143 --> 00:33:37,667 the terrorists will make in a day and a half. 698 00:33:37,798 --> 00:33:39,321 We have been flying all day long. 699 00:33:49,723 --> 00:33:51,768 The pilot told the control tower the hijackers 700 00:33:51,899 --> 00:33:53,379 were now threatening to throw one of the Americans 701 00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:54,684 out of the plane. 702 00:33:54,815 --> 00:33:56,599 The runway was cleared and lit. 703 00:33:56,730 --> 00:33:59,298 The plane landed with only a few minutes fuel remaining. 704 00:34:01,474 --> 00:34:02,388 The White House had been monitoring 705 00:34:02,518 --> 00:34:04,738 the situation closely. 706 00:34:04,868 --> 00:34:06,696 But before President Reagan could deliver 707 00:34:06,827 --> 00:34:08,394 an official address on the hijacking, 708 00:34:08,524 --> 00:34:10,048 tragedy struck. 709 00:34:24,018 --> 00:34:26,629 Robert Stethem was brought to the tarmac 710 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:28,501 and shot in the temple. 711 00:34:31,678 --> 00:34:34,550 Reagan couldn't stay silent any longer. 712 00:34:34,681 --> 00:34:37,510 His murder and the fate of the other American hostages 713 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,602 still being held in Beirut underscore an inescapable fact: 714 00:34:42,732 --> 00:34:45,866 the United States is tonight a nation being attacked 715 00:34:45,996 --> 00:34:48,434 by international terrorists and want-- 716 00:34:48,564 --> 00:34:50,479 and who wantonly kill 717 00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:53,874 and who seize our innocent citizens as their prisoners. 718 00:34:54,004 --> 00:34:56,355 Two days after Stethem's murder, 719 00:34:56,485 --> 00:34:58,400 Reagan called an emergency meeting 720 00:34:58,531 --> 00:35:00,794 of the National Security Council. 721 00:35:00,924 --> 00:35:04,928 He began by unfolding a letter and reading it out loud. 722 00:35:05,059 --> 00:35:07,714 The letter, written by 29 of the American hostages 723 00:35:07,844 --> 00:35:09,672 on Flight 847, 724 00:35:09,803 --> 00:35:12,588 was addressed directly to Reagan. 725 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,462 This letter from the TWA hostages was very painful. 726 00:35:18,246 --> 00:35:22,294 It was clear that the president was in pain. 727 00:35:22,424 --> 00:35:24,122 In the letter, 728 00:35:24,252 --> 00:35:26,733 the hostages made a desperate plea for the president 729 00:35:26,863 --> 00:35:30,084 to negotiate their release, to convince the Israelis 730 00:35:30,215 --> 00:35:31,999 to free the 700 Lebanese prisoners 731 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:34,436 the hijackers had demanded. 732 00:35:34,567 --> 00:35:36,351 When the president finished reading, 733 00:35:36,482 --> 00:35:37,787 he looked around at his aides 734 00:35:37,918 --> 00:35:39,789 and asked them what could be done. 735 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,617 But then you have to say, 736 00:35:41,748 --> 00:35:43,880 "We're gonna do everything we can to get you out, 737 00:35:44,011 --> 00:35:47,797 "but we're not going to change "our principles or our morality 738 00:35:47,928 --> 00:35:49,930 "or the things we believe in just to save you. 739 00:35:52,062 --> 00:35:55,022 We're not gonna compromise." 740 00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:58,808 The risk was that we would be seen as a country 741 00:35:58,939 --> 00:36:01,376 that would pay money for hostages, 742 00:36:01,507 --> 00:36:03,987 and that put everybody at risk. 743 00:36:04,118 --> 00:36:07,687 So it was very important to bring an end to that idea. 744 00:36:07,817 --> 00:36:10,516 With the pushback from Reagan's secretary of state 745 00:36:10,646 --> 00:36:12,561 and the rest of his National Security Council, 746 00:36:12,692 --> 00:36:13,910 the conversation stalled. 747 00:36:16,783 --> 00:36:19,133 But Reagan kept thinking about the letter. 748 00:36:19,264 --> 00:36:22,397 The humanity was visible to everyone. 749 00:36:22,528 --> 00:36:24,443 Everyone was moved. 750 00:36:24,573 --> 00:36:26,532 And I'm sure it actually hardened 751 00:36:26,662 --> 00:36:28,577 the president's determination 752 00:36:28,708 --> 00:36:31,014 to bring about a peaceful solution. 753 00:36:31,145 --> 00:36:33,147 Reagan's sense was, 754 00:36:33,278 --> 00:36:35,454 "This is something that I can really 755 00:36:35,584 --> 00:36:38,370 "make an impact on as President. 756 00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:39,980 "It's my job-- 757 00:36:40,110 --> 00:36:41,851 it's my responsibility to get them back." 758 00:36:44,027 --> 00:36:47,074 Facts are hard to come by, difficult to confirm. 759 00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:50,556 As sure as anything can be in the hurly-burly and horror 760 00:36:50,686 --> 00:36:52,471 of a murderous hijacking... 761 00:36:52,601 --> 00:36:55,822 You now had global coverage. 762 00:36:55,952 --> 00:36:59,434 We know what the power of television still is, 763 00:36:59,565 --> 00:37:01,262 and it was very powerful then. 764 00:37:01,393 --> 00:37:04,570 And no one understood that better than Ronald Reagan. 765 00:37:04,700 --> 00:37:06,702 In Beirut, five of the Americans held hostage 766 00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:08,661 were put on display by terrorists holding them, 767 00:37:08,791 --> 00:37:10,053 paraded into a room and surrounded 768 00:37:10,184 --> 00:37:12,360 by about 100 teenagers with machine guns. 769 00:37:12,491 --> 00:37:13,883 Sit down, sit down! 770 00:37:14,014 --> 00:37:16,059 When they were having their first conference, 771 00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:18,540 it really scared us, really scared us. 772 00:37:18,671 --> 00:37:20,281 There had never been anything like it. 773 00:37:20,412 --> 00:37:23,066 It was a worldwide first: competitive journalists 774 00:37:23,197 --> 00:37:25,678 interviewing captors with captives. 775 00:37:25,808 --> 00:37:28,289 We, as a group do most importantly want 776 00:37:28,420 --> 00:37:32,598 to beseech President Reagan and our fellow Americans 777 00:37:32,728 --> 00:37:37,037 to refrain from any form of military or violent means 778 00:37:37,167 --> 00:37:40,083 as an attempt, no matter how noble or heroic, 779 00:37:40,214 --> 00:37:41,911 to secure our freedom. 780 00:37:42,042 --> 00:37:45,524 I miss my wife very much. I want to go home. 781 00:37:45,654 --> 00:37:47,743 And God willing, we'll be home soon. 782 00:37:47,874 --> 00:37:49,789 Critics call the coverage excessive 783 00:37:49,919 --> 00:37:52,618 and accuse journalists of interfering in a crisis, 784 00:37:52,748 --> 00:37:56,099 of turning from observers to negotiators. 785 00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:59,015 There were a lot of ethical concerns at the time. 786 00:37:59,146 --> 00:38:02,758 I always felt that we had the responsibility 787 00:38:02,889 --> 00:38:05,892 to keep people apprised of what was happening. 788 00:38:06,022 --> 00:38:07,894 The families needed to know. 789 00:38:08,024 --> 00:38:10,505 The American government needed to know. 790 00:38:10,636 --> 00:38:14,248 But we were also giving a free platform 791 00:38:14,379 --> 00:38:17,773 to these groups that were using us. 792 00:38:17,904 --> 00:38:19,862 The terrorists in the TWA crisis 793 00:38:19,993 --> 00:38:22,125 received immeasurable attention. 794 00:38:22,256 --> 00:38:23,997 But it was the way they got it 795 00:38:24,127 --> 00:38:26,304 that has inflamed the new debate over the role 796 00:38:26,434 --> 00:38:27,653 and responsibility of the news media. 797 00:38:27,783 --> 00:38:29,089 Here, you had a situation 798 00:38:29,219 --> 00:38:31,134 of human beings isolated from their families, 799 00:38:31,265 --> 00:38:33,441 totally controlled by the-- by the thugs, 800 00:38:33,572 --> 00:38:35,225 knowing that men with AK-47s 801 00:38:35,356 --> 00:38:36,966 were prepared to blow them away, 802 00:38:37,097 --> 00:38:38,141 knowing they were gonna leave that room 803 00:38:38,272 --> 00:38:40,579 and go back into--into prison, 804 00:38:40,709 --> 00:38:42,232 and yet that press conference 805 00:38:42,363 --> 00:38:44,104 was dealt with as though it was normal people 806 00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:45,975 talking to us in a normal setting. 807 00:38:46,106 --> 00:38:48,108 That's crazy. 808 00:38:48,238 --> 00:38:51,111 We were kind of caught in the middle. 809 00:38:51,241 --> 00:38:52,765 I remember reporting 810 00:38:52,895 --> 00:38:55,289 with a very uneasy feeling at the time. 811 00:38:55,420 --> 00:38:57,813 Yet, in a way, we were held hostage, 812 00:38:57,944 --> 00:39:00,163 because it was a story that could not be ignored. 813 00:39:05,952 --> 00:39:07,780 With the media storm growing, 814 00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:09,782 Reagan became further preoccupied 815 00:39:09,912 --> 00:39:13,002 with the task of freeing the TWA hostages. 816 00:39:13,133 --> 00:39:16,179 Reagan met with his national security team every morning. 817 00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:20,009 At what point can you pay off the terrorists 818 00:39:20,140 --> 00:39:22,708 without endangering people from here on out 819 00:39:22,838 --> 00:39:23,970 once they find out that their tactics succeed? 820 00:39:25,188 --> 00:39:27,887 That question always came up 821 00:39:28,017 --> 00:39:31,194 because he never wanted them not to be focused on it, 822 00:39:31,325 --> 00:39:33,240 wanted it on the tops of their minds 823 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,895 as it was on Reagan's-- 824 00:39:36,025 --> 00:39:39,986 and to find a way to get them back. 825 00:39:47,863 --> 00:39:50,953 On July 1, after more than two weeks in captivity... 826 00:39:54,174 --> 00:39:57,046 ...the TWA hostages were finally released. 827 00:40:00,006 --> 00:40:01,877 And three days later, 828 00:40:02,008 --> 00:40:06,708 the Israeli government freed 300 Lebanese prisoners. 829 00:40:06,839 --> 00:40:09,885 The U.S. denied any connection to the release, 830 00:40:10,016 --> 00:40:12,714 and Israel claimed the timing was just a coincidence. 831 00:40:15,064 --> 00:40:16,414 There's only one thing to say, 832 00:40:16,544 --> 00:40:18,372 and I say it from the bottom of my heart, 833 00:40:18,503 --> 00:40:20,896 in the name of all the people of our country: 834 00:40:21,027 --> 00:40:23,116 welcome home. 835 00:40:29,775 --> 00:40:31,907 The release of the TWA hostages 836 00:40:32,038 --> 00:40:35,302 should have brought a measure of relief for Reagan. 837 00:40:35,433 --> 00:40:37,783 But there were still seven American hostages in Beirut 838 00:40:37,913 --> 00:40:40,089 who needed his help. 839 00:40:40,220 --> 00:40:42,178 We can be thankful that our faith, courage, 840 00:40:42,309 --> 00:40:44,398 and firmness have paid off. 841 00:40:44,529 --> 00:40:47,270 But this is no moment for celebration. 842 00:40:47,401 --> 00:40:50,143 Let it be clearly understood that the seven Americans 843 00:40:50,273 --> 00:40:53,755 still held captive in Lebanon must be released 844 00:40:53,886 --> 00:40:56,845 along with other innocent hostages from other countries. 845 00:40:58,107 --> 00:41:02,938 In the emotionally fraught days after the TWA crisis, 846 00:41:03,069 --> 00:41:06,115 Bud McFarlane took a meeting with a trusted associate 847 00:41:06,246 --> 00:41:08,727 who seemed to offer a way to help the Beirut hostages. 848 00:41:11,164 --> 00:41:13,906 An Israeli diplomat named David Kimche. 849 00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:15,995 David Kimche was 850 00:41:16,125 --> 00:41:18,171 the director-general of Israel's Foreign Ministry. 851 00:41:18,301 --> 00:41:23,698 I think that this is a test of the sincere attitude 852 00:41:23,829 --> 00:41:26,832 of our neighboring countries to terrorism. 853 00:41:26,962 --> 00:41:29,399 They had their relationship going back several years. 854 00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:31,314 They knew each other quite well. 855 00:41:31,445 --> 00:41:34,796 And they regularly met and talked about the world. 856 00:41:34,927 --> 00:41:36,276 So this was another one of those meetings. 857 00:41:36,406 --> 00:41:38,278 But at this meeting, 858 00:41:38,408 --> 00:41:41,673 Kimche came up with a particular suggestion. 859 00:41:43,588 --> 00:41:46,852 Out of respect for David and his wisdom, 860 00:41:46,982 --> 00:41:50,116 I listened to what he said, and it was simply stated 861 00:41:50,246 --> 00:41:53,380 that there are elements in the Iranian Army 862 00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:56,209 that are prepared to open a dialogue with us. 863 00:42:00,082 --> 00:42:03,216 Kimche was offering a back channel to Iran 864 00:42:03,346 --> 00:42:07,437 that could help de-escalate the hostage crisis. 865 00:42:07,568 --> 00:42:11,006 Given the relationship between the U.S. and Iran at the time, 866 00:42:11,137 --> 00:42:14,575 the possibility of such a back channel was astonishing. 867 00:42:14,706 --> 00:42:17,186 But there was no one happier to entertain the idea 868 00:42:17,317 --> 00:42:20,015 than Bud McFarlane. 869 00:42:20,146 --> 00:42:22,540 McFarlane had long believed it was possible 870 00:42:22,670 --> 00:42:25,281 that there were moderates within the Iranian government 871 00:42:25,412 --> 00:42:27,675 who would be receptive to a diplomatic relationship 872 00:42:27,806 --> 00:42:29,242 with the United States. 873 00:42:29,372 --> 00:42:31,374 I really didn't imagine 874 00:42:31,505 --> 00:42:34,029 that we had a plausible prospect 875 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,380 of being able to engage with this government. 876 00:42:37,511 --> 00:42:40,209 I did think, however, that there were reasons 877 00:42:40,340 --> 00:42:44,562 why the circumstances facing Iran 878 00:42:44,692 --> 00:42:49,305 might give us an opportunity to influence a regime change. 879 00:42:49,436 --> 00:42:52,178 It was essentially just a hunch, 880 00:42:52,308 --> 00:42:54,310 but it was guided by the same strategic thinking 881 00:42:54,441 --> 00:42:55,877 that he had learned from his mentor, 882 00:42:56,008 --> 00:42:56,965 Henry Kissinger. 883 00:42:58,358 --> 00:43:00,273 But there was a catch. 884 00:43:02,536 --> 00:43:05,844 David's opinion was that 885 00:43:05,974 --> 00:43:08,020 the people that his intermediary 886 00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:10,544 was dealing with in the Iranian Army 887 00:43:10,675 --> 00:43:17,029 were people who had the military and political wit, 888 00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:20,423 and for them to engage with us at all, 889 00:43:20,554 --> 00:43:23,296 being at risk and us being at risk, 890 00:43:23,426 --> 00:43:25,385 each would have to show evidence 891 00:43:25,515 --> 00:43:27,953 to their own constituencies. 892 00:43:28,083 --> 00:43:31,130 Iran wanted the U.S. to supply them with weapons 893 00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:34,176 for use in their war with Iraq. 894 00:43:34,307 --> 00:43:35,743 It was a big request. 895 00:43:38,441 --> 00:43:41,967 But the Iranians were offering something valuable in return, 896 00:43:42,097 --> 00:43:44,317 something that Reagan was desperate for. 897 00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:47,320 As long as those people are there and threatened, 898 00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:50,192 we cannot give up on them. 899 00:43:50,323 --> 00:43:53,152 And I hope that they have confidence in that. 900 00:43:53,282 --> 00:43:55,067 Kimche was saying 901 00:43:55,197 --> 00:43:58,853 Iran could help free the hostages in Beirut. 902 00:43:58,984 --> 00:44:01,203 He proposed a meeting between McFarlane 903 00:44:01,334 --> 00:44:03,075 and an Iranian intermediary 904 00:44:03,205 --> 00:44:05,512 who could move the conversation forward. 905 00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:11,387 Kimche presented it as their being able to achieve 906 00:44:11,518 --> 00:44:14,042 the release of the hostages. 907 00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:20,396 And while his name may be unfamiliar to most, 908 00:44:20,527 --> 00:44:24,009 he is an essential character in the Iran-Contra story. 909 00:44:24,139 --> 00:44:25,924 So, where should we resume? 910 00:44:26,054 --> 00:44:27,012 We want to talk about Ghorbanifar. 911 00:44:29,405 --> 00:44:31,494 The Iranian intermediary 912 00:44:31,625 --> 00:44:35,324 for the Iran initiative, as we called it, 913 00:44:35,455 --> 00:44:39,024 was a man named Manucher Ghorbanifar. 914 00:44:39,154 --> 00:44:41,853 He was a short, overweight, 915 00:44:41,983 --> 00:44:45,465 balding, bearded guy 916 00:44:45,595 --> 00:44:46,945 who you certainly wouldn't have taken 917 00:44:47,075 --> 00:44:49,556 for an international arms dealer. 918 00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:52,124 But that's what he was. 919 00:44:52,254 --> 00:44:54,953 Ghorbanifar played this pivotal role, 920 00:44:55,083 --> 00:44:57,390 sort of a classic rug merchant role-- 921 00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,393 try to bring the sides together. 922 00:45:00,523 --> 00:45:04,223 He had a relationship with the Israeli government, 923 00:45:04,353 --> 00:45:06,399 and he convinced them 924 00:45:06,529 --> 00:45:09,489 that there were elements in Iran 925 00:45:09,619 --> 00:45:12,405 that were now becoming more pragmatic, 926 00:45:12,535 --> 00:45:15,321 who wanted to talk. 927 00:45:15,451 --> 00:45:17,845 And after a few weeks of discussion, 928 00:45:17,976 --> 00:45:20,021 a proposal was made: 929 00:45:20,152 --> 00:45:22,154 100 American missiles would be traded 930 00:45:22,284 --> 00:45:24,199 for all seven American hostages. 931 00:45:25,548 --> 00:45:27,159 It was straightforward, 932 00:45:27,289 --> 00:45:29,248 but presented some major risks. 933 00:45:29,378 --> 00:45:32,120 There was only an acceptable risk 934 00:45:32,251 --> 00:45:34,035 if you had very high confidence 935 00:45:34,166 --> 00:45:39,084 in the good faith of the Iranian counterparts. 936 00:45:39,214 --> 00:45:41,739 And I didn't know any of them. 937 00:45:41,869 --> 00:45:45,090 Even though McFarlane didn't know Ghorbanifar, 938 00:45:45,220 --> 00:45:47,353 his reputation preceded him. 939 00:45:47,483 --> 00:45:49,616 We called him Gorba, 940 00:45:49,747 --> 00:45:52,619 and that was the polite name we had for him. 941 00:45:52,750 --> 00:45:55,578 He was a prevaricator, liar, 942 00:45:55,709 --> 00:45:59,539 thief of the first magnitude, 943 00:45:59,669 --> 00:46:01,628 well-known for these attributes 944 00:46:01,759 --> 00:46:04,370 amongst various agencies. 945 00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:07,634 Ghorbanifar was well-known to the CIA. 946 00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:10,028 And although the CIA concluded he was a fabricator, 947 00:46:10,158 --> 00:46:12,247 many countries, including Israel, 948 00:46:12,378 --> 00:46:14,380 continued to deal with him. 949 00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:17,339 They wanted to re-establish diplomatic, 950 00:46:17,470 --> 00:46:20,473 government-to-government relations with Iran. 951 00:46:20,603 --> 00:46:23,519 And oh, by the way, we get the hostages out too. 952 00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:27,219 It was a noble idea, I guess. 953 00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:30,265 But they picked the wrong communicator 954 00:46:30,396 --> 00:46:31,789 in this guy Gorba. 955 00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:35,531 McFarlane was also troubled 956 00:46:35,662 --> 00:46:39,231 by the terms of the deal, specifically the weapons. 957 00:46:39,361 --> 00:46:41,668 After the 1979 hostage crisis... 958 00:46:41,799 --> 00:46:43,017 Americans held hostage. Pictures of their-- 959 00:46:43,148 --> 00:46:44,671 ...there was an international effort 960 00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:48,283 to stop weapons sales to Iran. 961 00:46:48,414 --> 00:46:51,156 The United States had promoted and upheld the policy. 962 00:46:51,286 --> 00:46:53,549 If the rules of international behavior are violated... 963 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:55,421 If it leaked out that they 964 00:46:55,551 --> 00:46:57,466 were secretly selling weapons to Iran, 965 00:46:57,597 --> 00:47:00,513 it would be a diplomatic disaster. 966 00:47:00,643 --> 00:47:04,865 So there was a lot for McFarlane to look past. 967 00:47:04,996 --> 00:47:07,346 But he decided to bring the proposal to the president. 968 00:47:09,348 --> 00:47:10,523 There was an unexpected development 969 00:47:10,653 --> 00:47:12,568 for President Reagan today 970 00:47:12,699 --> 00:47:16,572 during an operation to remove a small polyp from his colon. 971 00:47:16,703 --> 00:47:20,098 Doctors discovered a second larger growth on his intestine. 972 00:47:20,228 --> 00:47:22,361 That will require major surgery. 973 00:47:22,491 --> 00:47:24,450 Around the time of McFarlane 974 00:47:24,580 --> 00:47:26,452 and Ghorbanifar's conversations, 975 00:47:26,582 --> 00:47:29,498 President Reagan underwent surgery. 976 00:47:29,629 --> 00:47:31,239 The hostages were one of the first things 977 00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:32,414 he asked about when he woke up. 978 00:47:32,545 --> 00:47:34,112 How you feeling? 979 00:47:36,854 --> 00:47:38,681 And so it was at the hospital 980 00:47:38,812 --> 00:47:41,684 that McFarlane spoke with Reagan for the first time 981 00:47:41,815 --> 00:47:45,906 about the idea of trading arms for hostages with Iran. 982 00:47:46,037 --> 00:47:50,258 I gave him the factual summary of what Kimche had said-- 983 00:47:50,389 --> 00:47:52,652 that he, Kimche, had concluded 984 00:47:52,782 --> 00:47:56,351 that there were disaffected officers, 985 00:47:56,482 --> 00:48:00,486 portrayed them as being open to working with us. 986 00:48:01,617 --> 00:48:04,403 McFarlane told Reagan that the Iranian moderates 987 00:48:04,533 --> 00:48:06,709 were willing to pressure their associates in Beirut 988 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,407 to release the American hostages 989 00:48:08,537 --> 00:48:11,845 still being held in Lebanon. 990 00:48:11,976 --> 00:48:17,459 And he brightened immediately and said, 991 00:48:17,590 --> 00:48:22,247 "We really ought to keep the dialogue going." 992 00:48:22,377 --> 00:48:25,554 I said, "This is a very high-risk venture for you, 993 00:48:25,685 --> 00:48:28,949 "politically-- that it's very uncertain 994 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:33,693 "that this can be maintained in clandestine terms." 995 00:48:33,823 --> 00:48:37,305 But he focused upon what Kimche had said. 996 00:48:37,436 --> 00:48:39,481 "But we can't let an opportunity 997 00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:42,397 of that--though it's risky--go by." 998 00:48:44,182 --> 00:48:45,792 It might be surprising 999 00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:48,795 that Reagan was willing to accept the idea so quickly. 1000 00:48:48,926 --> 00:48:51,798 Negotiating with terrorists, after all, would violate 1001 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:55,845 one of the core principles of Reagan's presidency. 1002 00:48:55,976 --> 00:48:58,457 Working on the Middle East and terrorism 1003 00:48:58,587 --> 00:49:02,548 was a constant struggle of reconciling contradictions. 1004 00:49:02,678 --> 00:49:06,334 It was important for us to have a clear policy 1005 00:49:06,465 --> 00:49:08,597 that we do not negotiate with terrorists. 1006 00:49:08,728 --> 00:49:10,773 Having said that, 1007 00:49:10,904 --> 00:49:15,648 sometimes realists have to break principles 1008 00:49:15,778 --> 00:49:20,000 and do what is necessary to try to achieve a goal. 1009 00:49:20,131 --> 00:49:22,872 Almost from the outset, the administration was divided 1010 00:49:23,003 --> 00:49:25,179 on the viability of the proposal. 1011 00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:29,444 McFarlane had tried to push this idea earlier 1012 00:49:29,575 --> 00:49:32,273 and had gotten laughed out of town, basically. 1013 00:49:32,404 --> 00:49:34,319 Caspar Weinberger, the secretary of defense, 1014 00:49:34,449 --> 00:49:35,885 said something like, 1015 00:49:36,016 --> 00:49:38,714 "This is almost too absurd to comment on. 1016 00:49:38,845 --> 00:49:41,456 "It would be like inviting Gaddafi of Libya 1017 00:49:41,587 --> 00:49:43,937 for a cozy chat." 1018 00:49:44,068 --> 00:49:47,767 So McFarlane was shut down, but he didn't give up. 1019 00:49:47,897 --> 00:49:49,812 George Schultz was indifferent about it. 1020 00:49:49,943 --> 00:49:52,641 Thought that it had merit, but was uneasy. 1021 00:49:52,772 --> 00:49:55,253 Weinberger was totally opposed to it. 1022 00:49:55,383 --> 00:49:57,342 In the end, it was Reagan who said, 1023 00:49:57,472 --> 00:50:01,476 "Just do it. Let's go. It has to be done now." 1024 00:50:01,607 --> 00:50:04,305 Bud had his marching orders, and he did not relent. 1025 00:50:04,436 --> 00:50:07,221 He didn't hold back, and it went forward. 1026 00:50:07,352 --> 00:50:08,875 So how was the United States 1027 00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:11,225 going to sell a cache of missiles to Iran 1028 00:50:11,356 --> 00:50:13,314 without anyone knowing? 1029 00:50:13,445 --> 00:50:16,796 We didn't want to use any American military aircraft, 1030 00:50:16,926 --> 00:50:21,801 so the Israelis became the sort of logistical center, 1031 00:50:21,931 --> 00:50:26,545 in part due to geography, but also because Ghorbanifar, 1032 00:50:26,675 --> 00:50:30,288 the Iranian middleman, had approached the Israelis. 1033 00:50:30,418 --> 00:50:32,377 And the Israelis were very cooperative. 1034 00:50:32,507 --> 00:50:33,682 And so it was decided. 1035 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,731 American-owned weapons would pass through Israel, 1036 00:50:38,861 --> 00:50:41,168 and Israel would make the sale to Iran. 1037 00:50:42,909 --> 00:50:44,606 With the big picture worked out, 1038 00:50:44,737 --> 00:50:46,869 McFarlane turned the operation over 1039 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,306 to one of his most trusted deputies-- 1040 00:50:50,264 --> 00:50:51,700 Oliver North. 1041 00:50:53,876 --> 00:50:56,531 Terrorists, be on notice. 1042 00:50:56,662 --> 00:51:00,361 We will fight back against you in Lebanon and elsewhere. 1043 00:51:00,492 --> 00:51:02,581 We will fight back against your cowardly attacks 1044 00:51:02,711 --> 00:51:04,713 on American citizens and property. 1045 00:51:04,844 --> 00:51:07,629 We will not rest until justice is done 1046 00:51:09,936 --> 00:51:12,678 The Weir family and the families of the other hostages 1047 00:51:12,808 --> 00:51:15,507 still remained largely in the dark. 1048 00:51:15,637 --> 00:51:18,423 With the information they had, all they could do was hope. 1049 00:51:20,468 --> 00:51:21,687 Well, I'm one of the family members 1050 00:51:21,817 --> 00:51:23,602 that tries not to get excited, 1051 00:51:23,732 --> 00:51:25,517 because we ride quite an emotional roller coaster, 1052 00:51:25,647 --> 00:51:28,476 going from the peaks, during these rumors, to the valleys, 1053 00:51:28,607 --> 00:51:30,696 where you don't hear anything for many months on end. 1054 00:51:30,826 --> 00:51:32,524 So I'm very hopeful. 1055 00:51:34,700 --> 00:51:36,832 But I'm not going to change any of my plans 1056 00:51:36,963 --> 00:51:39,226 until I'm certain it's true. 86053

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