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[Jeff] I first heard
about Norm's store,
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it was like this famous place
that you have to go to,
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but it was
in Tarzana, California.
Is that how you say it?
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Which I always thought
was east of LA, you know,
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like towards
halfway to Phoenix.
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And so I'm going, "Well,
I'll never go out to where--"
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And then you find,
oh, no, it's right...
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It's just over on the 405,
just over. Oh.
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Then the problem becomes
that you're gonna go to Norm's
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and he's gonna have
these incredible guitars,
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and oh, maybe you'll see
Tom Petty,
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you know that myth and true,
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but this like Shangri-La,
this oasis
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for guitar players.
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♪ As I felt would never end ♪
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♪ I see shadows
Cast over my eyes ♪
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♪ Not much longer... ♪
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And it's like making
a pilgrimage
to a place you should go
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if you are serious about
the guitar.
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You should all go
to Norm's Rare Guitars
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if you're at all serious
about playing the guitar.
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It's one of those places.
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♪ The creator
Built a home inside ♪
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♪ Won't be trouble when
I rest my head tonight ♪
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♪ 'Cause the only loser
Is the one that begs to hide ♪
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♪ I've seen hard times ♪
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♪ I've seen days ♪
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♪ Days I've felt would
Never end ♪
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♪ I've seen shadows
Cast over my eyes ♪
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♪ But not much longer will
The shadows haunt my mind ♪
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♪ Mm-hmm ♪
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[rock music playing]
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Throughout the store's history,
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we've had some of
the most iconic guitar players
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in the world come through.
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Welcome to Norm's Guitars.
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[Norman] From George Harrison
to Bob Dylan to Tom Petty.
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[announcer] Eddie Van Halen
bought his
first guitars from Norm
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when both of them
had more hair.
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I bought a bunch
of guitars from Norm's.
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[announcer] See,
the instruments at Norman's
are, well, unique.
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This guitar here is
probably a $35,000 guitar.
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[announcer] Norm Harris has
been collecting and selling
vintage guitars, lots of them.
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This is Norm. This guy
has sold guitars
to every single person
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that's ever walked
into Hollywood
for the last 25 years.
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So you're gonna have
a million stories.
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[Norman] There's some stories,
there's some good ones,
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-there's a couple involving
you too, my man.
-Oh, no.
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I just stumbled into Norm's,
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and it's been a revolving door
in my life for 35 years.
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[Norman] A lot of
the international acclaim
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basically came from
the Japanese I would say.
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I mean, there are those
of us who are just waiting
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for the right piece to show up.
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Pretty much a place of legend.
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For a small ma and pa shop,
Norman's Rare Guitars
is world famous.
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[announcer]
The real celebrities, though,
are the guitars.
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Musicians claim the ones
made in the '50s
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just sound better.
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The pickups, the design,
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the woods that they chose,
the finish they put on,
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it's really cool stuff.
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The independent store
will always be the place
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that you go for connection.
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[Taylor] 'Cause, I mean,
half the people
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that you see here
when you walk into Norm's,
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they're just fucking
hanging out.
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I'm not talking about
the people working here,
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I'm talking about the people
that just,
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half the time,
they're coming in
just to shoot the shit,
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and, like, maybe think about
buying that guitar eventually.
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I've spent
too much money there,
but I want to spend more.
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There's nothing like
this store. Nothing.
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Got into town, like,
three days ago.
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I'm like,
"I gotta go to Norm's."
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Everybody knows about
Norman's Rare Guitars.
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It's just like, you go to LA,
you go there.
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This is an experience
being in Norman's. Norman's
has a warmth to its walls.
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I'm sure it's got
a lot of stories too.
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[rock music playing]
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[Frank] I actually always learn
something when I come to Norm's
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or smaller places,
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'cause you have people...
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I mean some of
the greatest guitar players
in the world played here.
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Don McLean. I mean,
you know, Colin Hay.
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I mean, a lot of heavy people
come here.
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[Slash] When you go into
a music store,
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it's probably the optimum place
you want to go into,
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because it's just filled
with instruments,
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and it's sort of orgasmic
in that sense.
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Norman's is probably
at the very, very top
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of the orgasmic, one to ten.
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[laughs]
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Are you
an average collector? [laughs]
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I'd like to think
a little better than average.
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I learned about
the shop from a shirt.
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Like, even the shirt
was interesting.
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[Melissa] Every guitar,
every amp,
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everything that's
in this store,
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is understood, taken care of,
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is the finest
you're going to get.
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[Kiefer] This is as organic
a place as I have ever been
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with respect to
someone trying to put
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the right guitar
in the right person's hand
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to create something great.
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[Jeff]
I think one of the things
that makes Norm's special
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is that the people that
have been there before you.
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I got thrown out of here
last time
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for taking down a Stratocaster,
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but I thought
it was okay. I'm sorry.
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If Joe Bonamassa
thinks Norm knows
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what a good guitar is
versus a bad one,
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or the difference
between a great guitar
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and an excellent guitar...
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If Joe thinks Norm knows that,
that's good enough for me.
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The collector in me
loves the stuff like you
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that's really well-preserved
and mint,
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because they don't
make this anymore.
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So that gives Norm
some real street cred,
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if guys like that are,
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you know, going to Norm, going,
"What do you think?"
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He's completely knowledgeable,
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like has the biggest mind
about guitars,
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and he's got the biggest heart.
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And he loves music.
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[Kiefer] And he loves playing
and he likes people,
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and he's so encouraging
to musicians,
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and wanting them to do well.
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I know that sounds
really simple, but it's not.
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He cares.
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And he couldn't be nicer.
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He's this big
personality, friendly.
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He's out there, and he
makes you feel welcome.
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He is applying for
a job over here.
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He's not working enough
as an actor.
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[Jeff] And I thought,
well, maybe that's just 'cause,
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you know, I'm famous
or I'm an actor or something.
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And then I saw him do it
to somebody else that wasn't.
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And then somebody else
who wasn't.
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Treats everybody the same.
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Except, he did immediately,
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immediately take me
back into the back room
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and showed me a Martin
from the '40s or something.
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"Isn't that beautiful?
Isn't Jeff, isn't that,
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"and it's only $50,000.
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I mean, wow, is this you
or is this you?"
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I mean, he--
And you just realize,
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you're going,
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"You know, I got some per diem
from the movie I'm shooting,
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but it ain't that much."
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-What's up?
-Maroon 5...
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[Kiefer] You know,
you can't do all of this
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without being little eccentric.
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And he is.
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I, personally, have always
loved eccentric people.
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But when someone's
eccentricities
are all absolutely focused
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into one thing,
and that is guitars.
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-Can you tell us about this?
-[Norman] Yeah, this is 64...
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[Kiefer] And understanding
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where the Maplewood was taken
from this guitar in this era,
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or you know, I think Norm was
the one who explained to me
what a banner guitar was
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during World War II
when they had no steel
to make truss rods,
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Gibson with all the L guitars
would just glue the neck
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straight onto the body,
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which is why the necks
were always fatter
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and that the banner meant that
it was made by a woman.
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How cool is that?
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It's not just
the actual stories
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of acquiring instruments,
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it's who they've been sold to.
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You're talking everyone from
Bob Dylan to George Harrison,
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Tom Petty, Robbie Robertson...
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The list goes on and on and on.
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And I love the fact
that a rockstar,
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or someone
that plays music goes,
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"Hey listen,
I need a D'Angelico."
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They call him first,
because they know.
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Quality, his reputation
precedes him.
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The instruments that he's sold
to these A-list type of people
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have been... used to make music
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that's changed the landscape
of rock and roll.
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Selling guitars to Slash,
selling guitars to Tom Petty.
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And, you know, these songs
that they come up with
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on these instruments
live forever.
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And he's absolutely
linked to that.
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For over 50 years,
Norman Harris has been in the
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business of
selling rare guitars.
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-[woman] Ready one, two, and...
-Hey guys, Norm over here.
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And uh, you know, I know
you guys are like family to us,
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and sometimes I got to tell you
the good with the bad.
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I was ill,
I was kind of feeling like
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a little something
over by my side here,
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but my doctor said,
"Go get a CAT scan."
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And what we found out was
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that I have a very rare
cancer of the appendix.
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It's called
appendiceal carcinoma.
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[Norman] So I just want to say,
I just want to be truthful.
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If anybody goes,
"Well, where's Norm
and what's going on?"
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I just want you guys to know
that I love you all,
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love all the guys that work
for me, love the family,
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love vintage guitars.
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So thank you guys.
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I love you, and I hope that
I'm still around to be
doing this years from now.
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But if not, sayonara.
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See Norm and I have had
this conversation a lot,
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about, you know...
about his legacy,
about his transition.
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You know, he goes,
"I can't do this forever."
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And, you know,
when he turned 70,
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I think it really hit him
in a way.
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Problem is,
if Norm's not there to run it,
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then it's just...
it's a namesake.
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It's just, it's just a brand.
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And when you take the heart
and soul of the brand away,
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it doesn't...
it's not the same.
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I'm sorry,
it just isn't the same.
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There's only one Norm Harris.
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[Norman] I was born in
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,
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but my dad had a company,
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and we would move
from town to town,
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'cause they would set up
a manufacturing plant
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in different cities.
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So, we lived in Philadelphia,
then we moved to Miami
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and then, eventually, my dad
sold his company and retired.
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And that's where we ended up
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and that's where I grew up,
was in Miami, Florida.
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Unfortunately,
when I was 16 years old,
my dad had passed away.
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It was a very traumatic time
for me.
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When I was a teenager in Miami,
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of course this was
during the '60s,
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and The Beatles had exploded,
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and music was becoming
so popular.
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It was just an amazing time
to grow up.
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I met Marlene
in junior high school.
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Hi, I am Marlene Harris,
Norman's wife,
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and we've been married
for 51 years.
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Quite an accomplishment.
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We met in junior high school,
sort of.
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And I walked around
the whole school,
trying to avoid him.
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[Norman chuckles]
When we first met,
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I think Marlene
couldn't stand me.
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I was kind of a punk,
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and I don't know,
maybe that's why
she ended up liking me.
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[laughs]
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But, anyway, I ended up
being friendly with him.
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[Norman] And we started dating
in high school.
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Actually, our first date,
I had a car.
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I would drive some people home
from school.
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[Marlene] And, one day,
I needed a ride home
from school,
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and he was looking for
a drummer for one of his bands
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at the Florida
State Mental Hospital.
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And, um...
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-[man] For real?
-Yeah.
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A friend of mine
recommended this guy,
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and it was
at this mental institution
in South Florida.
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And I said, I'm gonna
take you guys home,
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but we've got to stop
at this place first.
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And Marlene and I,
our first date was probably
in a mental institution,
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which says a lot.
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We saw a lot of crazy people,
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but he never found the guy
who was supposed to be
a good drummer.
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After that, we started dating,
and we've been together
ever since.
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We got married in 1969.
I was 18, he was 20.
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I woke up the next day saying,
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"What the fuck did I do?"
[chuckles]
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But here I am.
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People said that
I looked like I was in shock
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at the wedding the whole time,
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because I think it was, uh...
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Uh, well, I'm sure
I was probably...
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I used to smoke
a lot of pot, you know,
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so I was probably
a little bit out there,
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but I looked like I was
dazed the entire time.
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And I probably was,
but I didn't know
what I was getting into.
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But it was probably
the best thing
that ever happened to me.
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[Norman] One, two, three, four.
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[playing blues music]
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[Joe] You know,
what a lot of people
don't know about Norm
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is he is
a world-class musician,
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and he chose
a different path in life.
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He chose to be on
the retail side of musicianship
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versus getting out there
and touring,
and stuff like that.
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He always downplays
his musicianship a lot,
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but, you know, the legacy
started there in Miami.
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[Norman] So,
back in the old days,
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the first band that I had
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was a band called
The Amazing Aztecs.
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We were kids
and we were pretty pathetic.
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The band that I played in
after the Amazing Aztecs
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was the Glass Menagerie.
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After that, I played in a band
called The Bangles,
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which was
two seminal Indian brothers,
Steve and Lee Tiger.
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And we played at a place
called Thee Image.
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And we were one of
the house bands
that played there.
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And every week, they would
bring in a major act
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that was either
international or national.
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And we opened for
Jimi Hendrix,
we opened for Cream,
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we opened for The Amboy Dukes,
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which was
Ted Nugent's first band.
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We opened for
The Chambers Brothers.
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We opened for The Mothers.
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And, you know, there was one
dressing room in the place.
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So all the bands
kind of got together,
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and I did meet Hendrix,
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and you know, everybody
was pretty, pretty high
at the time.
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The band after The Bangles
was a band called Katmandu.
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And we were doing
a lot of original material,
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and we were recording
at Criteria Studios.
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We got a a record deal
with Mainstream Records...
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[rock music playing]
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...which was the same
record company
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that Big Brother
& the Holding Company
were on.
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Unfortunately, we found out
about three days
after we signed
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and did our record
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that they were being sued
by Big Brother
& the Holding Company
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for not giving them
any of their royalties.
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So that didn't work out
all that well.
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One of the first instruments
that I ever bought
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that I realized I may be...
I was onto something is
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in Katmandu,
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there were two guys,
a guy named Bobby Caldwell
and Bobby Jabo.
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They both played
guitar and bass,
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but neither one of them
had a bass.
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So, I volunteered
to get a bass.
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So he happened to find
a bass in the newspaper.
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[Norman] I saw
an ad for a jazz bass
in the Miami Herald,
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and I went out and bought
this older jazz bass.
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It was, like, a 1961. It was
a very early 3-knob bass.
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I bought it for $125.
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When I brought the bass back
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and the guys
started playing it,
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people around town,
including Jaco Pastorius
and a number of other people
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saw this bass,
and everybody wanted it.
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And I went, "Wow, you know,
maybe I could actually
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make a buck buying and selling
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some of these used instruments
around town.
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And that was kind of
the thing that kind of...
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The light bulb flashed,
and I realized this could
be something
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where I could pick up
some extra money.
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Being a musician, I wasn't
making a whole lot.
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Once I realized I could
make money off that jazz bass,
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I saw an ad in the newspaper,
and I called and I said,
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"What kind of guitar is it
that you have?"
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She goes,
"Well, it's a Gibson."
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And I said, "How much do you
want for it?" She says, "$25."
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I said, "I'll tell you what,
I have $20 on me.
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I'll give you $20 for it,
sight unseen."
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And I walk into the house,
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and I see
this beautiful brown case
sitting in the back.
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I went to myself,
"Well, that couldn't possibly
be it
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'cause the case
was so beautiful.
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She said, "No,
that's it over there."
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And I open up the case,
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and it's this beautiful
late-'30s L-5 blonde cutaway.
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I know nothing about guitars
at this time,
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but you don't
have to be a genius
to look at this thing
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and realize this is
a valuable guitar.
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So I gave her the $20,
bought it, got out of there,
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and I went and showed it to
this friend of mine, Ed Oleck,
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who, kind of, was
dealing with old guitars,
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and everybody was kind of,
you know, "ooh-ahh,"
over this guitar.
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The next day, I actually
took Marlene's car
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and I had the L-5 in the car,
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and we're driving back,
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and all of a sudden,
I hear a car going...
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[mimics tires squealing,
crashing]
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...and just smashes
into the back of the car
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and it cracked this L-5 up.
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Just so happened that
I took it to my friend,
Ed Oleck, the day before
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and showed him the guitar.
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And when I tried
to claim it on insurance,
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they actually contacted
Ed Oleck to ask him
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what the guitar is worth.
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And Ed said, "Oh, that guitar
is worth a fortune.
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"You better give 'em,
like, 1,200 bucks,
and get 'em outta your hair
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'cause you'll never
be able to replace it."
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00:19:27,416 --> 00:19:29,751
That 1,200 bucks gave me
a lot of money to go out
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and buy guitars, which were
very inexpensive at that time.
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That really got me started.
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00:19:38,552 --> 00:19:42,389
Little Richard and his brother
managed our band Katmandu.
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Little Richard was very
instrumental in our move,
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because, I mean, he
wanted us to go to LA,
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and meet Mo Ostin from
Warner Bros. Records.
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It was just kind of really
stated to me very intensely,
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if you really wanna make it
in the music business,
you have to go to California.
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That's where
it's all happening.
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[people chattering]
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[Norman] For whatever reason,
as bands do, our band broke up.
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I went with a band called
the Angel City Rhythm Band.
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[man] All right,
the Angel City Rhythm Band.
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[Marlene] While the band
was sleeping,
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we were out up early
in the morning,
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and then buying
and wholesaling guitars
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to the music stores.
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So, we were busy all the time,
and we used to
go to the Musicians' Union.
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We saw that they had had
a musician's handbook.
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So, I said, "Well this is great
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00:20:43,825 --> 00:20:46,745
because you can call
all the people in the handbook
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and find things.
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00:20:48,288 --> 00:20:49,873
And he did that.
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00:20:49,957 --> 00:20:53,752
And then I said,
"Let's call people
that have horses for sale,
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00:20:53,835 --> 00:20:55,337
'cause cowboys play guitar."
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00:20:55,921 --> 00:20:59,800
I mean, I came up with a lot
of ideas, but he ran with it.
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00:21:00,342 --> 00:21:02,719
[motorbike engine revs]
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[rock music plays]
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[Norman] When I came
to Los Angeles,
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it was a mecca,
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00:21:09,518 --> 00:21:13,313
and I had the opportunity
to buy things that
I never would see in Miami.
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00:21:13,397 --> 00:21:16,650
And I had also the opportunity
to sell a lot of things,
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00:21:16,733 --> 00:21:18,652
because all these big bands
were out there.
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00:21:18,735 --> 00:21:22,406
I was kind of getting known
amongst other bands
just by word of mouth.
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00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:26,159
I would kind of buy
and sell guitars in LA,
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00:21:26,243 --> 00:21:27,995
and I would buy them privately,
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00:21:28,078 --> 00:21:30,622
and then I would sell 'em
through some stores
on consignment,
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00:21:30,706 --> 00:21:32,582
and sometimes to these stores.
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00:21:32,666 --> 00:21:35,043
And there was a store
that I used to do
a lot of business with
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in West LA,
called University Music.
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And there was a friend
of mine, Dale Rossman,
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who used to run the place.
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00:21:41,049 --> 00:21:42,884
One day, he gives me a call,
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00:21:42,968 --> 00:21:46,888
about maybe 9:00, 9:30
in the morning, and he goes...
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00:21:46,972 --> 00:21:49,099
[Dale over phone] Norm,
I need you to come over here
right away.
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I've got
a very important customer
who wants a guitar.
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00:21:52,853 --> 00:21:54,396
[static buzzes]
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00:21:54,479 --> 00:21:56,481
[funky music plays]
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00:21:58,108 --> 00:22:00,444
I get to his store
and I walk in,
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and it's just my friend, Dale,
sitting there,
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00:22:02,237 --> 00:22:04,281
and I go,
"Dale, what's the deal?
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00:22:04,364 --> 00:22:06,533
"Dale, I just drove
all the way over here.
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00:22:06,616 --> 00:22:08,076
You told me it was
somebody real important."
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00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,163
He said, "All right,
I'm gonna tell you.
It's George Harrison."
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00:22:11,747 --> 00:22:14,041
And I just kind of was
looking at him like...
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00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:16,251
You know? I mean,
I was kind of in shock.
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And all of a sudden,
George walks through the door
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with Mal Evans, who was
The Beatles' road manager.
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00:22:23,258 --> 00:22:25,135
He said he had
a guitar stolen from him.
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00:22:25,218 --> 00:22:27,804
It was a Les Paul that
Eric Clapton gave him,
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00:22:27,888 --> 00:22:29,181
and he needs to replace it.
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They found the store where
the guitar was sold to,
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00:22:31,725 --> 00:22:34,603
the guy who bought it
at that store,
bought it in good faith.
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00:22:34,686 --> 00:22:37,981
And the guy said he'd be
willing to give George back
his guitar
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00:22:38,607 --> 00:22:39,983
if he could
get a similar guitar,
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00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:43,820
a late-'50s Les Paul Standard
in exchange.
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00:22:43,904 --> 00:22:46,281
So I told him, "Well, I happen
to have three of 'em.
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00:22:46,364 --> 00:22:49,242
He jumped in my car and we
drove back to Sherman Oaks.
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00:22:49,910 --> 00:22:51,703
I had a three-bedroom apartment
at the time,
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00:22:51,787 --> 00:22:53,246
but I had two bedrooms
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00:22:53,330 --> 00:22:55,499
that were just filled
with guitars, everywhere.
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I opened the door,
and Marlene is still
in her bathrobe,
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00:22:58,585 --> 00:23:02,130
and I go, "Marlene, uh, I'm
bringing in George Harrison."
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00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:05,092
I said, "Yeah, right."
And I stayed in my bathrobe...
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00:23:05,175 --> 00:23:06,468
[chuckles]
...and I didn't even change.
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And then, two seconds later,
George and Mal walked
through the door,
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and Marlene was, like,
looking at me, like,
"Why didn't you tell me?"
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00:23:13,892 --> 00:23:16,103
[chuckling] You know?
You know, and she's in shock.
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00:23:16,186 --> 00:23:18,647
And anyhow, we sat there
for a couple hours,
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played some guitars,
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00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:21,399
and George ended up buying
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00:23:21,483 --> 00:23:24,986
two late-'50s
Les Paul Standard sunbursts,
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00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:28,573
one to send
to replace the guitar
and get his guitar back,
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00:23:28,657 --> 00:23:31,368
and another one that
he fell in love with,
which was a 60,
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00:23:31,451 --> 00:23:34,621
that was very clean,
that he wanted for himself.
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00:23:34,704 --> 00:23:37,749
And he also bought
a 1956 Stratocaster,
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which I charged him 750 bucks.
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00:23:40,544 --> 00:23:43,421
Nowadays, this would probably
be a $50,000 or 60,000 guitar.
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00:23:43,505 --> 00:23:44,631
It was super clean.
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00:23:44,714 --> 00:23:45,674
But I liked him very much,
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00:23:45,757 --> 00:23:48,593
and I was so stoked that I
was actually even dealing
with George Harrison
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that I didn't really care.
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00:23:49,636 --> 00:23:51,388
I would've given him
the guitar probably,
472
00:23:51,471 --> 00:23:53,014
just to be able to say that.
473
00:23:53,098 --> 00:23:55,600
Although, I didn't think
anybody would believe me.
474
00:23:57,894 --> 00:24:00,355
I would run these ads
in the L.A. Times
475
00:24:00,438 --> 00:24:02,065
for instruments for sale.
476
00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:03,066
And I get a call,
477
00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:05,277
and the guy says, "You know,
I'd like to come see these."
478
00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:06,486
And I said,
"Yeah, come on over."
479
00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:08,530
And I said, "What's your name?"
And he goes, "Robbie."
480
00:24:08,613 --> 00:24:11,783
And Robbie comes in,
and I didn't recognize him,
481
00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:14,077
but it was Robbie Robertson
from The Band.
482
00:24:14,161 --> 00:24:17,581
So he came in and he buys
several instruments from me.
483
00:24:18,123 --> 00:24:21,084
And then, I got a call, like,
the next maybe Wednesday
or Thursday,
484
00:24:21,168 --> 00:24:22,294
and he said, "You know,
485
00:24:22,377 --> 00:24:25,714
this Saturday, I'd like
to bring a friend of mine in,
if you wouldn't mind."
486
00:24:25,797 --> 00:24:27,174
I said, "No, no."
487
00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:28,508
He brings in Bob Dylan.
488
00:24:28,592 --> 00:24:30,886
And that was the first time
that I ever dealt
with Bob Dylan.
489
00:24:30,969 --> 00:24:33,805
And Bob ended up buying
some instruments from me.
490
00:24:33,889 --> 00:24:37,601
And then Robbie also brought
Joni Mitchell and Robben Ford.
491
00:24:37,684 --> 00:24:40,729
And it seemed like, you know,
word of mouth around town
492
00:24:40,812 --> 00:24:41,897
amongst the musicians,
493
00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:43,440
'cause there were no
vintage stores,
494
00:24:43,523 --> 00:24:45,066
nobody had any vintage stuff.
495
00:24:45,150 --> 00:24:48,528
And I had
a three-bedroom apartment
with guitars everywhere.
496
00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:50,155
And so, I had kind of monopoly
497
00:24:50,238 --> 00:24:53,366
on the vintage market
at the time in LA,
498
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:54,743
and it really...
499
00:24:54,826 --> 00:24:58,496
Robbie was very instrumental
in building my business up.
500
00:24:58,580 --> 00:25:00,207
And it was really a plan B.
501
00:25:00,290 --> 00:25:04,169
I mean, I really started out,
coming out to California
to be a musician.
502
00:25:04,252 --> 00:25:07,505
You know, my intention was
to just be able to provide
a living for my family.
503
00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:15,555
[Sarah] So if I put this
for instance, right up here.
504
00:25:15,639 --> 00:25:17,515
[Norman] Yeah, just so that
you can read
505
00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:19,684
what the thing is
on the bottom.
506
00:25:19,768 --> 00:25:20,977
Make sure
that there's something--
507
00:25:21,061 --> 00:25:22,103
-So, yeah.
-I see that.
508
00:25:22,187 --> 00:25:24,856
Yeah. And just all this stuff
is just kind of...
509
00:25:24,940 --> 00:25:26,942
[Sarah] You know how they say
you grow into your parents,
510
00:25:27,025 --> 00:25:28,360
like you don't even realize it?
511
00:25:28,443 --> 00:25:31,947
But I'm starting to see,
like, I can't shut off.
512
00:25:32,030 --> 00:25:34,824
Like, I couldn't sleep
last night, because I was
thinking about clients
513
00:25:34,908 --> 00:25:36,701
and emails and all this crap.
514
00:25:36,785 --> 00:25:39,287
And that's the same shit
that I come down on him for.
515
00:25:41,623 --> 00:25:42,707
[Norman] I mean,
if it wasn't for my family,
516
00:25:42,791 --> 00:25:45,126
I probably wouldn't
go to the doctor
to be honest with you.
517
00:25:45,210 --> 00:25:47,754
-I'm like, you know, I'm...
-I know.
518
00:25:47,837 --> 00:25:49,589
I figure I'm here
till I'm not, you know?
519
00:25:49,673 --> 00:25:51,758
But, you know, I did
and I checked it out
520
00:25:51,841 --> 00:25:54,678
and unfortunately
or fortunately,
521
00:25:54,761 --> 00:25:55,804
that's the news I got.
522
00:25:56,388 --> 00:25:58,974
I mean,
nobody's taking it great.
My daughter is...
523
00:25:59,057 --> 00:26:01,476
you know, and it's tough
for her. So...
524
00:26:02,102 --> 00:26:06,648
I think my dad taught me,
like, an insane work ethic.
525
00:26:06,731 --> 00:26:09,192
I grew up, and he
wasn't around that much.
526
00:26:09,276 --> 00:26:12,195
And sometimes,
it does bother me.
527
00:26:14,155 --> 00:26:16,366
I tell my dad, like,
"I want you to retire.
528
00:26:16,449 --> 00:26:20,620
You're getting older, you
need to just relax and chill."
529
00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:23,248
But he's not him
without that store.
530
00:26:23,331 --> 00:26:26,167
Like, he doesn't have
an identity without that store.
531
00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:29,045
It's like his life,
day and night.
532
00:26:33,216 --> 00:26:35,218
[blues music playing]
533
00:26:39,055 --> 00:26:43,101
When we had our firstborn,
Jordan, I was, you know...
534
00:26:43,184 --> 00:26:46,187
And I'm still kind of
a reluctant father.
535
00:26:46,813 --> 00:26:50,650
[Marlene] Norman, you know,
was more of a big kid than,
536
00:26:50,734 --> 00:26:52,569
you know, a hands-on parent.
537
00:26:52,652 --> 00:26:55,196
I mean, he was off
playing softball
538
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,532
or playing in the band
at night.
539
00:26:57,615 --> 00:27:01,745
And I would have to say,
I was the responsible parent.
540
00:27:01,828 --> 00:27:04,622
He was a good father,
but he wasn't there a lot.
541
00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:06,666
Jordan was my first,
542
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:10,045
and Sarah wasn't born
until six years later.
543
00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:12,297
And, of course, I was crazy
about her
544
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:13,840
just like I was with Jordan.
545
00:27:13,923 --> 00:27:16,301
[Marlene] I had my hands full
with both of them.
546
00:27:16,384 --> 00:27:19,220
And, you know,
when he was there,
we had a good time.
547
00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:22,474
[Norman] I always felt
kind of, you know,
out there as a father.
548
00:27:22,557 --> 00:27:25,393
I would see
these television shows
like Father Knows Best
549
00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:26,728
and Leave It to Beaver.
550
00:27:26,811 --> 00:27:29,105
And these families
seemed so normal,
551
00:27:29,189 --> 00:27:30,899
and I felt so abnormal
552
00:27:30,982 --> 00:27:35,195
that I just couldn't really
see myself as being a father.
553
00:27:35,779 --> 00:27:37,238
But I did the best
that I could.
554
00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:39,657
But there were
a lot of long-haired musicians
hanging around,
555
00:27:39,741 --> 00:27:42,535
and, you know, that was just
the way it was back then.
556
00:27:42,619 --> 00:27:44,412
And I always kind of
felt like The Munsters
557
00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:46,289
or The Addams Family
or something,
558
00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:49,959
I was just felt totally off
to the, uh, to the left.
559
00:27:50,502 --> 00:27:55,048
Norman worked really hard,
and he was always stoned.
560
00:27:55,131 --> 00:28:00,512
So... [laughing]
...it was amazing
that he could do what he did,
561
00:28:00,595 --> 00:28:02,931
and smoke as much as he did.
562
00:28:05,683 --> 00:28:08,812
I never really thought about
opening a store in my life.
563
00:28:09,312 --> 00:28:11,731
But at the end of 1974,
564
00:28:11,815 --> 00:28:14,692
we were paid a visit
by the State Board
of Equalization.
565
00:28:14,776 --> 00:28:16,653
Somebody had said, I guess,
566
00:28:16,736 --> 00:28:18,780
that we were doing business
out of the house.
567
00:28:18,863 --> 00:28:23,201
So, we ended up having
to look for a location,
568
00:28:23,284 --> 00:28:25,995
and my mom and I went out,
found the first store,
569
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:28,373
which was
about 500 square feet.
570
00:28:28,456 --> 00:28:30,417
It was on Vanowen and Tampa.
571
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:32,877
Norman's Rare Guitars,
Vanowen and Tampa.
572
00:28:32,961 --> 00:28:35,672
[Norman] I didn't know if
I was gonna have a business
or not, you know?
573
00:28:35,755 --> 00:28:39,175
So, we wanted
a really small store
with very low rent,
574
00:28:39,259 --> 00:28:41,678
and I didn't know if I'd be
in business for five years
575
00:28:41,761 --> 00:28:43,638
or two years or six months.
576
00:28:43,722 --> 00:28:45,598
Hi, I'm Scott Borden.
577
00:28:45,682 --> 00:28:47,851
I was Norman's
original partner.
578
00:28:47,934 --> 00:28:53,565
We opened the store,
I believe on Valentine's Day
in 1975.
579
00:28:53,648 --> 00:28:57,444
And I was there
virtually every day
for the next ten years.
580
00:28:57,527 --> 00:29:00,697
I didn't even get vacations.
He wouldn't let me go.
581
00:29:00,780 --> 00:29:02,657
Back in those days,
582
00:29:02,741 --> 00:29:07,036
I was one of the few people
that had never smoked a joint.
583
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:09,956
I didn't get high
and I didn't drink.
584
00:29:10,707 --> 00:29:14,252
And he had already seen
that I was pretty good
at selling guitars.
585
00:29:15,003 --> 00:29:18,131
And he felt like, well,
since he smoked a lot
586
00:29:18,757 --> 00:29:23,428
and I didn't smoke any,
I would be a good person
to be in that store.
587
00:29:23,511 --> 00:29:25,597
I mean, he woke up
in the morning
588
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,850
and he reached over
on his nightstand,
and grabbed a joint.
589
00:29:29,434 --> 00:29:31,811
And to this day,
I've still never smoked pot.
590
00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:34,731
I sold a lot of it,
but I never smoked it.
591
00:29:34,814 --> 00:29:37,317
We just developed
a mutual trust for each other.
592
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,612
And when we opened the store,
he could leave.
593
00:29:40,695 --> 00:29:41,696
He trusted me.
594
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:44,199
To this day,
he's one of my favorite people.
595
00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:47,827
And I've been out of the store
since say, 1985,
596
00:29:47,911 --> 00:29:49,037
which is how long?
597
00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:58,880
The first store on Tampa,
it was 6753 Tampa Avenue.
598
00:29:58,963 --> 00:30:03,384
And it had this big funky
put-together wooden sign
up in front
599
00:30:03,468 --> 00:30:06,054
that was built by Dan,
600
00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:08,765
and the logo designed
by John Juke Logan.
601
00:30:08,848 --> 00:30:10,809
They were your typical
music store
602
00:30:10,892 --> 00:30:12,477
I was used to back East.
603
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,062
Uh, very cramped
604
00:30:14,145 --> 00:30:17,148
and you'll see amps
piled on each other
just to make room.
605
00:30:17,232 --> 00:30:20,068
Yeah, it was a piece of shit.
It was basically a closet.
606
00:30:21,069 --> 00:30:24,155
[Scott] We just had guitars
all over the place.
607
00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:27,283
[Tucci] He had things
that nobody else had.
608
00:30:27,367 --> 00:30:29,285
When you went there,
it was like, "Oh,
609
00:30:29,369 --> 00:30:32,497
this was different.
This was special."
610
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:36,125
[Rob] So, you walked in,
and it was emerald green
carpeting,
611
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:41,381
and, like, baby poo tan walls.
612
00:30:41,464 --> 00:30:45,552
But it was packed with
museum piece guitars.
613
00:30:46,052 --> 00:30:48,137
I mean, it was like
you'd see '50's Teles
614
00:30:48,221 --> 00:30:52,100
and '60's Strats
and '50's Less Paul's.
615
00:30:52,183 --> 00:30:54,894
I mean, they would just
be there like it was just
regular stock.
616
00:30:54,978 --> 00:30:58,898
And in the back,
there was a pinball machine
and there was a couch,
617
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,777
and on the wall was...
They didn't have a phone book.
618
00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:04,445
They wrote everybody's number
on the wall.
619
00:31:04,529 --> 00:31:06,739
And there was another part
of the wall that they used
620
00:31:06,823 --> 00:31:09,200
to tally up what people
owed them.
621
00:31:09,868 --> 00:31:12,620
And a piece of furniture
named Scott,
622
00:31:12,704 --> 00:31:16,082
who was always there eating
watermelon and watching TV.
623
00:31:16,165 --> 00:31:18,209
And I still remember
the smell to this day.
624
00:31:18,293 --> 00:31:19,335
When we first started,
625
00:31:19,419 --> 00:31:22,046
the rent on the store
was $600 a month.
626
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,801
We used to say, you know,
if we can gross
a couple hundred bucks a day,
627
00:31:26,885 --> 00:31:27,886
we'd be doing okay.
628
00:31:27,969 --> 00:31:31,347
There was no such thing
as these $10,000 guitars
629
00:31:31,431 --> 00:31:33,683
or even $5,000 guitars
back then.
630
00:31:33,766 --> 00:31:37,437
It was just amazing, because
it was this little store,
631
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,772
but people were already
kind of talking about us.
632
00:31:39,856 --> 00:31:42,650
It just started growing
on its own.
633
00:31:42,734 --> 00:31:46,696
The first little store
was kind of like
a "hidden gem" type vibe
634
00:31:46,779 --> 00:31:48,656
'cause it wasn't
that well known,
635
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:50,533
because there was no internet
and stuff like that.
636
00:31:50,617 --> 00:31:52,994
So it was kind of like
the "in guys" went in there.
637
00:31:53,077 --> 00:31:54,579
You'd never know who
you're gonna see in there.
638
00:31:54,662 --> 00:31:56,873
[Nick] The biggest names
in rock and roll would
just come in
639
00:31:56,956 --> 00:31:58,666
and hang out
for a couple hours.
640
00:31:58,750 --> 00:32:01,377
First time I went to
Norman's old store,
641
00:32:01,461 --> 00:32:04,213
I see these two
hairy-looking creatures,
642
00:32:04,297 --> 00:32:08,801
like, through a drawer
of pickups, I think it was.
643
00:32:08,885 --> 00:32:11,512
And as my eyes got
accustomed to light,
644
00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:14,057
I realized it was Tom Petty
and Bob Dylan
645
00:32:14,140 --> 00:32:17,143
looking for Rickenbacker
pickups or something.
646
00:32:17,226 --> 00:32:20,688
I grew up in an environment
of hanging in coffee shops,
647
00:32:20,772 --> 00:32:22,607
hanging in guitar shops.
648
00:32:22,690 --> 00:32:24,943
To me, it was always like
a gathering place of...
649
00:32:25,026 --> 00:32:28,321
of kind of like-minded people,
you know, that like guitars.
650
00:32:28,404 --> 00:32:29,697
I've always liked guitars.
651
00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:32,617
I mean, I had vintage guitars
in the '60's.
652
00:32:32,700 --> 00:32:35,578
I didn't really know
they'd be worth $300,000 now.
653
00:32:35,662 --> 00:32:38,539
I thought $150 was
a pretty good stretch
in those days.
654
00:32:38,623 --> 00:32:41,918
Being the guitar nerd
that I was,
I went to all the shops.
655
00:32:42,502 --> 00:32:45,296
I never could afford any
back then when I was 19.
656
00:32:45,380 --> 00:32:47,131
But as the years rolled along,
657
00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:48,841
I'd pick 'em up
from time to time.
658
00:32:48,925 --> 00:32:52,053
But, that was always
a fun shop to go to
659
00:32:52,136 --> 00:32:55,348
'cause Norm always
had just loads and loads
and loads of great stuff.
660
00:32:55,431 --> 00:32:59,060
I have several instruments
in my collection that I bought
from Norman.
661
00:32:59,143 --> 00:33:01,688
And been a friend for,
gosh, 43 years.
662
00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:04,607
When I'd get back in
from working with John Mayall
on the road,
663
00:33:04,691 --> 00:33:08,152
I'd go and hang,
and we'd play cards there
all day long,
664
00:33:08,236 --> 00:33:11,781
and listen to music
and play music in the store.
665
00:33:12,281 --> 00:33:15,243
Just goof off, you know.
We got close that way.
666
00:33:15,326 --> 00:33:17,829
It was like coming to
somebody's living room
667
00:33:17,912 --> 00:33:20,581
and being able to play
the best guitars in the world.
668
00:33:20,665 --> 00:33:22,709
So, why wouldn't you
go hang out there?
669
00:33:24,085 --> 00:33:28,589
I was starting
to write articles
for music periodicals,
670
00:33:28,673 --> 00:33:31,467
and I thought, "Well, you know,
it would be great to try
671
00:33:31,551 --> 00:33:32,719
"and write an article on Norm.
672
00:33:32,802 --> 00:33:34,262
"I think this is
interesting stuff
673
00:33:34,345 --> 00:33:36,681
and I'll submit it
to Guitar Player,"
674
00:33:36,764 --> 00:33:39,892
'cause I knew the editor
at the time, and submitted it.
675
00:33:39,976 --> 00:33:44,480
And sure enough, it got in
the December, 1976 issue
676
00:33:44,564 --> 00:33:45,565
with Robbie Robertson.
677
00:33:45,648 --> 00:33:47,150
That article,
678
00:33:47,233 --> 00:33:49,235
it brought him
worldwide recognition
679
00:33:49,318 --> 00:33:51,904
and people started coming in
from Japan, from Europe.
680
00:33:51,988 --> 00:33:54,323
We really have to credit
the Guitar Player article.
681
00:33:54,407 --> 00:33:58,703
And it was the first article
written about the business
682
00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:01,831
of rare guitar investing
and collecting.
683
00:34:01,914 --> 00:34:03,666
After that article came out,
684
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:07,295
everybody started talking
about vintage guitars.
685
00:34:07,378 --> 00:34:10,214
His business was solid
at that point.
686
00:34:10,298 --> 00:34:11,632
It put us on the map
687
00:34:11,716 --> 00:34:15,053
and legitimized what
Norman's Rare Guitars was.
688
00:34:15,887 --> 00:34:18,681
Eventually, we needed
some more space,
689
00:34:18,765 --> 00:34:23,144
and the store on the corner,
which was 1,800 square feet
became available,
690
00:34:23,227 --> 00:34:25,354
and we signed onto that store.
691
00:34:25,438 --> 00:34:27,732
I figured I'll never be
able to fill this store up.
692
00:34:27,815 --> 00:34:30,151
You know, within a few months,
we had more guitars in there.
693
00:34:30,234 --> 00:34:31,360
You could hardly walk in there.
694
00:34:31,444 --> 00:34:33,571
Hi, I'm Doug Fieger, The Knack
and I don't do commercials,
695
00:34:33,654 --> 00:34:35,198
but I've been shopping
at Norm's Rare Guitars
696
00:34:35,281 --> 00:34:36,407
for almost 20 years,
697
00:34:36,491 --> 00:34:38,576
and some of my favorite guitars
come from here.
698
00:34:38,659 --> 00:34:40,453
So do yourself a favor
and check it out.
699
00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:44,582
I was 13, 14, 15 years old
at the time.
700
00:34:45,083 --> 00:34:47,668
My excitement walking
from the parking lot
701
00:34:47,752 --> 00:34:50,088
up the street, up Tampa
just to the corner,
702
00:34:50,171 --> 00:34:52,131
was like, it was just awesome.
703
00:34:52,215 --> 00:34:55,134
-And it's all original '63?
-Yep.
704
00:34:55,218 --> 00:34:58,346
[John 5] I was very young
when I first started going
to Norm's.
705
00:34:58,429 --> 00:35:02,350
I probably had to be, you know,
18 or something like that.
706
00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:07,021
There was no internet,
there was no social media,
there was nothing.
707
00:35:07,105 --> 00:35:08,648
So, it was just word of mouth.
708
00:35:08,731 --> 00:35:10,733
If you wanted a great guitar,
709
00:35:10,817 --> 00:35:12,819
you would go
to Norman's Rare Guitars.
710
00:35:12,902 --> 00:35:15,488
There was tons of just
old guitars and dudes.
711
00:35:15,571 --> 00:35:18,324
You would see, like, a group
of guys, all talking laughing,
712
00:35:18,407 --> 00:35:19,742
shooting the shit,
whatever they do.
713
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:23,538
But in the middle of 'em
was always Norman, you know,
714
00:35:23,621 --> 00:35:25,581
just kinda like the Godfather
just sitting there almost.
715
00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:27,834
I mean, and he wasn't--
Maybe it wasn't like that,
716
00:35:27,917 --> 00:35:31,212
but he was always super-cool,
like, super-friendly to us.
717
00:35:31,295 --> 00:35:33,214
And for whatever reason,
I don't know,
718
00:35:33,297 --> 00:35:35,466
I mean it was just because
he's compassionate.
I don't know.
719
00:35:35,550 --> 00:35:39,011
When I would go into the store,
I would have this feeling
720
00:35:39,095 --> 00:35:40,596
of, you know, euphoria.
721
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,057
Because you saw all these...
Not just guitars,
722
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:45,226
but they were amazing guitars.
723
00:35:45,309 --> 00:35:47,812
They were like just
the cream of the crop,
724
00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:50,231
and the best of the best.
725
00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:53,109
Everybody was super-nice,
really cool.
726
00:35:53,693 --> 00:35:55,736
And they were like,
play whatever you want to play.
727
00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:58,197
And you could touch 'em
and you could play 'em,
728
00:35:58,281 --> 00:36:00,867
and you could strum 'em.
It was a magic time for me.
729
00:36:00,950 --> 00:36:03,619
And, you know,
you kind of felt special.
730
00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:06,247
You kind of felt like
a part of this family.
731
00:36:09,917 --> 00:36:11,836
[Norman]
But, you know, this place
is kind of like a hotel.
732
00:36:11,919 --> 00:36:13,462
They come and they stay
for a short time,
733
00:36:13,546 --> 00:36:15,923
and then they leave
and go all over the world.
734
00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:18,426
[announcer] One of
Bruce Springsteen's guitars
checked in recently
735
00:36:18,509 --> 00:36:19,886
for readjustment.
736
00:36:19,969 --> 00:36:21,304
Kurt Cobain had come in,
737
00:36:21,929 --> 00:36:24,599
and this is
right at the height.
738
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:29,270
He was very, very low key
and really nice.
739
00:36:29,353 --> 00:36:31,439
Norman didn't know
him from Adam
740
00:36:31,522 --> 00:36:32,982
because they had
just broken big--
741
00:36:33,065 --> 00:36:35,193
And that was the good thing
about having me there,
742
00:36:35,276 --> 00:36:37,403
because I watched MTV.
743
00:36:37,486 --> 00:36:38,988
I knew... you know, I'd go,
744
00:36:39,071 --> 00:36:41,949
"Norm, that's that guy
from this.
We gotta talk to him.
745
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:44,327
He's, you know, he's
a good guy to talk to."
746
00:36:44,410 --> 00:36:48,247
I sold him that Epiphone guitar
that was on the stand
747
00:36:48,331 --> 00:36:50,249
in the back of
the Unplugged sessions
748
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,251
that has
the "Nixon for President."
749
00:36:52,335 --> 00:36:54,295
The great thing
about artists like him
750
00:36:54,378 --> 00:36:56,797
and other...
the big name guys is,
751
00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,424
we weren't trying
to sell 'em anything.
752
00:36:58,507 --> 00:36:59,675
I mean we were obviously,
753
00:36:59,759 --> 00:37:01,552
but we weren't...
it wasn't a hard-pressed sale.
754
00:37:01,636 --> 00:37:02,803
It was like, "Look,
755
00:37:02,887 --> 00:37:05,514
"I could show you this
super-duper expensive guitar.
756
00:37:05,598 --> 00:37:06,724
"'Oh, it's an investment'
757
00:37:06,807 --> 00:37:09,101
"But, no, you know what?
I think you'd really dig this.
758
00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:10,895
"This has got a great vibe.
759
00:37:10,978 --> 00:37:12,939
"I know what your playing
style is.
760
00:37:13,439 --> 00:37:15,691
I think this is really cool.
I love it."
761
00:37:15,775 --> 00:37:17,693
And he played it, and he goes,
"Yeah, this is really good.
762
00:37:17,777 --> 00:37:19,278
And he goes,
"I wound up buying it."
763
00:37:19,362 --> 00:37:20,738
And then he goes
in his whiny voice,
764
00:37:20,821 --> 00:37:24,492
he goes... [imitates Cobain]
"...Yeah, I went to this
one guitar store in Hollywood
765
00:37:24,575 --> 00:37:26,661
"and I asked if
I could play the guitar.
766
00:37:26,744 --> 00:37:29,997
"And the guy goes,
'Well, that guitar's
really expensive.'
767
00:37:30,081 --> 00:37:32,166
"And I left, and I just
wanted to look back
768
00:37:32,250 --> 00:37:34,752
and go, 'I could buy this whole
guitar store if I wanted to.'
769
00:37:34,835 --> 00:37:35,753
So I came here."
770
00:37:35,836 --> 00:37:37,838
[rock music playing]
771
00:37:43,594 --> 00:37:47,139
[Kiefer] I remember
just the amount of playing
in that store,
772
00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:50,059
and it was so unlike
any other guitar store
I'd been in,
773
00:37:50,643 --> 00:37:52,561
because on any given day,
774
00:37:52,645 --> 00:37:54,272
Jackson Browne
could be in there,
775
00:37:54,355 --> 00:37:55,690
this person could be in there.
776
00:37:55,773 --> 00:37:59,068
And so, the playing
that was going on
was pretty extraordinary.
777
00:37:59,151 --> 00:38:02,154
And every once in a while,
especially with
the professional musicians,
778
00:38:02,238 --> 00:38:04,240
you could tell if someone
was working up a new song,
779
00:38:04,824 --> 00:38:07,535
'cause that's what they
would immediately start
to play on the guitar.
780
00:38:07,618 --> 00:38:09,704
And so, it was just
a fascinating thing to watch.
781
00:38:09,787 --> 00:38:12,248
It very quickly just became
my favorite store.
782
00:38:14,166 --> 00:38:17,086
There's an instrument that
I think will be coming up here
783
00:38:17,169 --> 00:38:19,630
that was in Streets of Fire,
784
00:38:19,714 --> 00:38:22,091
and we're now negotiating,
I think, right now
785
00:38:22,174 --> 00:38:24,844
on doing a new
Steve Spielberg movie
786
00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:26,220
called Back To The Future.
787
00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:28,306
[playing rock 'n' roll riff]
788
00:38:35,104 --> 00:38:38,024
The legacy that he's had
in TV and film,
789
00:38:38,566 --> 00:38:40,776
everything from The Last Waltz
790
00:38:40,860 --> 00:38:43,112
to Spinal Tap
and Back To The Future.
791
00:38:44,488 --> 00:38:47,825
He even told them,
"You're in 1955.
792
00:38:47,908 --> 00:38:51,495
"This gear that
I'm renting to you
wasn't made until 1958.
793
00:38:51,579 --> 00:38:53,205
You truly must
have a time machine."
794
00:38:54,832 --> 00:38:57,293
A lot of the times when
they needed instruments
795
00:38:57,376 --> 00:38:58,878
from either
a certain time period,
796
00:38:58,961 --> 00:39:01,422
and they wanted things
to be authentic,
797
00:39:01,505 --> 00:39:02,465
they called on us.
798
00:39:03,924 --> 00:39:06,385
I supplied the instruments
to The Last Waltz.
799
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:08,929
That was one of the things
I'm the most proud of.
800
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:12,641
I think it's the greatest
rock documentary of all time.
801
00:39:12,725 --> 00:39:15,644
♪ When I get off of
This mountain ♪
802
00:39:16,354 --> 00:39:18,814
♪ You know where
I want to go... ♪
803
00:39:18,898 --> 00:39:22,526
This is little piece
of history.
804
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:27,907
So on that tour with The Band
and Bob Dylan in 1974,
805
00:39:28,491 --> 00:39:32,745
I got from Norm
a red Stratocaster,
806
00:39:32,828 --> 00:39:34,580
and it felt so good.
807
00:39:34,663 --> 00:39:37,875
It felt like
the nicest Telecaster,
808
00:39:37,958 --> 00:39:40,252
'cause some of them,
the early ones
809
00:39:40,336 --> 00:39:42,254
can be a little bulky
in the neck,
810
00:39:42,338 --> 00:39:44,507
or a little thin, whatever.
811
00:39:44,590 --> 00:39:46,634
This one felt beautiful.
812
00:39:46,717 --> 00:39:48,844
So I used it the whole tour.
813
00:39:49,345 --> 00:39:54,433
In 1976, when we decided
to do The Last Waltz,
814
00:39:54,975 --> 00:39:56,602
concert and movie,
815
00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:58,813
this guitar, I thought, "Well,
816
00:39:58,896 --> 00:40:02,149
"we're bringing things
to a conclusion here.
817
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,027
"I'm gonna have
this guitar bronzed.
818
00:40:05,111 --> 00:40:09,949
"I'm gonna have it dipped,
like they do baby shoes,
and bronze them."
819
00:40:10,032 --> 00:40:13,953
So they did. And it
changed the sound of it
820
00:40:14,578 --> 00:40:15,788
in a good way.
821
00:40:15,871 --> 00:40:17,289
It was great.
822
00:40:17,373 --> 00:40:18,958
But what I didn't realize,
823
00:40:19,041 --> 00:40:22,878
'cause The Last Waltz concert
went on for five hours,
824
00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:25,214
and it also made it
twice as heavy.
825
00:40:28,426 --> 00:40:32,263
I had another Stratocaster
826
00:40:32,346 --> 00:40:34,974
that I got from Norm. Beauty.
827
00:40:35,850 --> 00:40:39,145
And so with the bronze one,
when it would wear me out,
828
00:40:39,228 --> 00:40:42,565
I would switch
to the other Strat.
829
00:40:42,648 --> 00:40:46,235
And when Eric Clapton
plays in The Last Waltz
830
00:40:46,318 --> 00:40:50,030
and its strap breaks,
I was playing that guitar.
831
00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:55,661
And Martin Scorsese
had said to me,
832
00:40:55,744 --> 00:40:57,955
"My God, that's
such a beautiful guitar,"
833
00:40:58,038 --> 00:41:00,249
when they were editing
the movie.
834
00:41:00,332 --> 00:41:04,128
And, but he kept saying,
"God, that's
a beautiful-looking guitar."
835
00:41:04,211 --> 00:41:08,215
And then, in the fall of 1977,
836
00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:12,553
I gave him the sunburst one
837
00:41:12,636 --> 00:41:13,679
for his birthday.
838
00:41:15,181 --> 00:41:16,015
[inhales deeply]
839
00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:18,100
[sighs] I don't know if
I should have done that.
840
00:41:18,934 --> 00:41:21,437
[rock music playing]
841
00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:29,320
[Norman] I also supplied
Spinal Tap
842
00:41:29,403 --> 00:41:30,988
with a whole bunch of guitars
843
00:41:31,071 --> 00:41:34,158
that were, like, Les Pauls
and Stratocasters
844
00:41:34,241 --> 00:41:35,826
and Fender Bass VIs.
845
00:41:35,910 --> 00:41:37,536
It's quite unbelievable.
846
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:39,914
And I supplied them
with a Marshall Amp.
847
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:41,332
They said, "Well,
848
00:41:41,415 --> 00:41:45,419
"one of our gags is we're gonna
say 'amps go from one to ten,
849
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:47,296
but this amp goes to 11.'"
850
00:41:47,379 --> 00:41:50,424
[man] Eleven. Look,
right across the board.
851
00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:51,717
-Eleven, eleven, eleven...
-[man 2] Oh, I see.
852
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,803
-And most of these amps
go up to ten.
-Exactly.
853
00:41:54,887 --> 00:41:57,431
Does that mean it's louder?
Is it any louder?
854
00:41:57,515 --> 00:41:59,266
Well, it's one louder,
isn't it?
855
00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:01,185
[Norman] And that was
kind of one of their gags,
856
00:42:01,268 --> 00:42:04,563
and it's part of the vernacular
of musical instrument culture
857
00:42:04,647 --> 00:42:06,524
where people go,
"Yeah, it goes to 11,
858
00:42:06,607 --> 00:42:08,651
and people know
what that means.
859
00:42:08,734 --> 00:42:10,486
It's a Spinal Tap reference.
860
00:42:11,111 --> 00:42:13,656
[rock music playing]
861
00:42:21,705 --> 00:42:23,165
[Norman] When I see
these things in videos,
862
00:42:23,249 --> 00:42:24,542
and I see 'em in movies
863
00:42:24,625 --> 00:42:27,044
and I see them on TV
and all that,
864
00:42:27,127 --> 00:42:29,755
and I know that I actually
supplied that instrument,
865
00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:34,051
I mean, you know, it's like
supplying them with a...
a weapon.
866
00:42:34,134 --> 00:42:36,637
I feel like I have a history
with the artist
867
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:38,097
and with the item.
868
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:41,475
I have a memory a lot of times
with the guitar itself,
869
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:43,185
and it's just real satisfying.
870
00:42:43,269 --> 00:42:46,188
It's just something
that's a good feeling to know
that I was a part of it.
871
00:42:55,406 --> 00:42:58,325
[Marlene] The store
on Tampa and Vanowen
872
00:42:58,409 --> 00:43:00,828
felt like the walls
were coming in,
873
00:43:00,911 --> 00:43:03,706
and he needed
to get a bigger store.
874
00:43:03,789 --> 00:43:05,165
The store that
I'm presently in,
875
00:43:05,249 --> 00:43:08,085
that we moved in the year 2000,
876
00:43:08,168 --> 00:43:09,920
is 6,000 square feet.
877
00:43:10,004 --> 00:43:12,381
Same thing. I figured we'd
never be able to fill it up.
878
00:43:12,464 --> 00:43:15,009
But we've filled it up,
and more.
879
00:43:15,092 --> 00:43:20,139
♪ It's so good to be ♪
880
00:43:20,222 --> 00:43:22,266
♪ Home ♪
881
00:43:22,349 --> 00:43:28,772
♪ Home, yeah
It's so good to be home ♪
882
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:33,193
♪ Yes, it is ♪
883
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:35,738
♪ Oh, baby ♪
884
00:43:37,740 --> 00:43:41,035
-[upbeat rock music playing
over speakers]
-[Norman speaking indistinctly]
885
00:43:42,411 --> 00:43:44,079
You guys have
put up with a lot,
886
00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:45,623
and I want to thank my kids,
887
00:43:45,706 --> 00:43:48,959
and I want to thank
the person who I love the most
in the world
888
00:43:49,043 --> 00:43:52,504
and who has put up with me
for 25 some-odd years.
889
00:43:52,588 --> 00:43:54,882
And I hope it goes for
a lot longer. My wife Marlene.
890
00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:57,885
-Thank you very much.
-[crowd cheering]
891
00:43:57,968 --> 00:43:59,470
[man] So, Marlene, do you have
anything special you want
892
00:43:59,553 --> 00:44:01,889
to say to Norman
on your 25th anniversary?
893
00:44:01,972 --> 00:44:03,349
Yeah, that I really
love him a lot,
894
00:44:03,432 --> 00:44:07,102
and I'm really glad that we
had everybody come tonight
895
00:44:07,186 --> 00:44:08,646
and I'm having
a really good time.
896
00:44:12,441 --> 00:44:14,777
Twenty-five years is quite
an accomplishment.
897
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:17,446
Congratulations, and hopefully
another 25 years to come.
898
00:44:18,572 --> 00:44:20,032
[Rick] I've known Norm
for a long time,
899
00:44:20,115 --> 00:44:23,911
and I really cherish
the relationship with him.
900
00:44:23,994 --> 00:44:27,414
Good friend, and kind of
like a brother in a way.
901
00:44:27,498 --> 00:44:29,958
You know, everybody's got to
have a brother like that.
902
00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:31,460
I love this man.
903
00:44:31,543 --> 00:44:34,171
I've been coming into the store
actually for 28 years.
904
00:44:34,254 --> 00:44:37,508
I usually come in
Friday afternoons.
905
00:44:37,591 --> 00:44:40,636
There's a certain kind of
Epiphone guitars that I like,
906
00:44:41,929 --> 00:44:44,556
acoustic flat tops,
early '60's, short headstock.
907
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,141
So I come in,
and he had just got one in
908
00:44:46,225 --> 00:44:48,602
and he goes. "Hey, you know,
I know you got a lot of these.
909
00:44:49,353 --> 00:44:50,437
Here's one, take a look at it."
910
00:44:50,521 --> 00:44:53,065
Now, it hadn't been set up yet,
it didn't have fresh strings.
911
00:44:53,148 --> 00:44:55,526
So I said, "All right, Norm,
let's do this.
912
00:44:55,609 --> 00:44:57,778
"Set it up in the morning.
You open at 11:00,
913
00:44:57,861 --> 00:45:00,072
"set it up,
I'll come down at 12.
914
00:45:00,155 --> 00:45:01,115
"I just gotta play it,
915
00:45:01,198 --> 00:45:03,450
"and as long as it plays right
and it sounds
the way I want it,
916
00:45:03,534 --> 00:45:05,285
then we'll work out
a deal." Great.
917
00:45:05,369 --> 00:45:07,621
So, the next morning,
I walk in,
918
00:45:07,704 --> 00:45:09,581
and there's a guy standing
at the counter,
919
00:45:09,665 --> 00:45:11,583
holding the guitar
in his hands,
920
00:45:11,667 --> 00:45:14,545
basically just about
to take his credit card out
and buy the guitar.
921
00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:17,589
And so I walk in
and I walk up, and I go,
922
00:45:18,549 --> 00:45:20,467
"That's the guitar that you're
supposed to be holding for me."
923
00:45:21,051 --> 00:45:23,595
And he goes, "Well,
you didn't commit to it,
you know,
924
00:45:23,679 --> 00:45:25,806
so, you know,
it's still available."
925
00:45:26,473 --> 00:45:29,059
I said, "You're supposed
to be setting it up for me,
926
00:45:29,143 --> 00:45:30,686
and I'm here to check
the guitar out."
927
00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:33,564
You know,
so I start getting fumed,
I start getting angry here.
928
00:45:33,647 --> 00:45:36,275
Now, it's not
this guy who's trying
to buy the guitar's fault.
929
00:45:37,192 --> 00:45:39,736
He doesn't even know
he's caught in the middle
of anything right now.
930
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:41,780
This guy starts negotiating
a little bit,
931
00:45:41,864 --> 00:45:44,616
and going, "You know, the price
is a little bit high, Norm,
932
00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:47,744
because
the price guide says this
and you're charging this."
933
00:45:47,828 --> 00:45:49,705
And then Norm
looks at me and goes,
934
00:45:49,788 --> 00:45:51,999
"Rick, tell him
how good my prices are."
935
00:45:52,082 --> 00:45:53,250
He goes, "You know, tell him
936
00:45:53,333 --> 00:45:55,502
that this guitar is worth
what I'm asking for."
937
00:45:56,545 --> 00:45:59,214
And I said, "You're asking me
to help you sell this guitar?"
938
00:45:59,298 --> 00:46:01,425
And he goes, "Rick, you've
got five of these already.
939
00:46:01,508 --> 00:46:03,677
You don't need another one.
This guy needs it."
940
00:46:05,095 --> 00:46:06,513
And now, I just lose it,
941
00:46:06,597 --> 00:46:08,682
because he's asking me to
help him sell this guitar,
942
00:46:08,765 --> 00:46:11,727
my guitar that
I was supposed to buy
to this other guy.
943
00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:14,021
And I looked at him, I went,
"You're an asshole."
944
00:46:14,104 --> 00:46:16,773
And I walked out of the store
and I didn't come in
for six months.
945
00:46:16,857 --> 00:46:18,400
I was so upset with him.
946
00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:20,777
Then Norm and I had
a conversation about it,
947
00:46:20,861 --> 00:46:23,363
and I just told him,
"Moving forward,
948
00:46:23,447 --> 00:46:25,782
"that, you know what,
we have to kind of
change this dynamic.
949
00:46:25,866 --> 00:46:27,201
"It's not a race
to the finish line.
950
00:46:27,284 --> 00:46:28,994
"And if I want something,
I need you to hold it for me.
951
00:46:29,077 --> 00:46:30,537
"And I need that respect.
952
00:46:30,621 --> 00:46:33,040
"We've done a lot of business
for 28 years,
953
00:46:33,123 --> 00:46:34,583
and I'm not gonna play
that game anymore."
954
00:46:34,666 --> 00:46:36,835
And since then,
we haven't had that situation.
955
00:46:36,919 --> 00:46:38,837
If I ask him to hold it,
he will hold it,
956
00:46:38,921 --> 00:46:40,631
like he does for his other
cherished customers.
957
00:46:40,714 --> 00:46:43,509
But, for me, he likes to try
to, you know, teach me a lesson
958
00:46:43,592 --> 00:46:44,927
and piss me off.
959
00:46:45,427 --> 00:46:46,970
Uh, but I love him regardless.
960
00:46:47,554 --> 00:46:48,931
[Norman] Just to
roll back the tape.
961
00:46:49,014 --> 00:46:51,642
-[laughing]
-[Norman] No, no, no.
I just gotta say something.
962
00:46:52,226 --> 00:46:55,896
What you said to me is,
"I'll come in tomorrow
963
00:46:55,979 --> 00:46:57,648
and we'll negotiate on it."
964
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,901
-That's not like,
"I'll take it."
-You know what?
965
00:47:00,984 --> 00:47:02,528
That's like, "Now we'll start
talking about prices...
966
00:47:02,611 --> 00:47:04,571
You're right. I just said
I'll come in, and if I like it,
967
00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:06,698
-we'll try to work out a deal.
-[Norman] I got a guy here
buying the fucking guitar.
968
00:47:06,782 --> 00:47:08,408
-This is my interview.
Fuck you. [laughs]
-[Norman] You douchebag.
969
00:47:08,492 --> 00:47:10,035
-You can say whatever you want.
-[crew laughing]
970
00:47:10,118 --> 00:47:12,955
You can do your... you know,
you can address it
towards the end.
971
00:47:13,038 --> 00:47:15,207
[Norman] Make me look like,
you know, like I promised you,
972
00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:17,668
-you committed to the price.
-You are a scumbag,
but I love you regardless.
973
00:47:17,751 --> 00:47:20,337
[Norman] Thank you.
You made me look like
you committed to the...
974
00:47:20,420 --> 00:47:21,588
that you committed
to the price.
975
00:47:21,672 --> 00:47:23,632
-No, it was holding a guitar--
-You said, "Hold it tomorrow
976
00:47:23,715 --> 00:47:25,175
-and I'll come
and we'll negotiate--
-It's holding a guitar
977
00:47:25,259 --> 00:47:26,301
for one of your best customers.
978
00:47:26,385 --> 00:47:27,386
[Norman] Thank you,
that's not a sale.
979
00:47:27,469 --> 00:47:30,347
You know what, it's not a sale.
But, you know, that's how
you treat your best customers.
980
00:47:30,430 --> 00:47:32,724
If I was Richie Sambora
you wouldn't fuck with that.
981
00:47:32,808 --> 00:47:36,061
-All right, keep going.
Blah, blah blah, blah, blah.
-[Norman chattering]
982
00:47:36,144 --> 00:47:37,896
As much as sometimes
he pisses me off
983
00:47:37,980 --> 00:47:40,691
and we go at it, you know what,
984
00:47:40,774 --> 00:47:42,317
he's like my brother
in a lot of ways.
985
00:47:42,401 --> 00:47:43,694
So, I love him.
986
00:47:44,611 --> 00:47:45,737
Hate to admit it,
but I love him.
987
00:47:45,821 --> 00:47:47,823
[rock music playing]
988
00:47:54,329 --> 00:47:56,248
[Joe] These guitars,
like these, every single guitar
in here,
989
00:47:56,331 --> 00:47:58,834
unless it's brand new,
has some type of a story.
990
00:47:58,917 --> 00:48:00,752
You know, it's been in
the hands of somebody else.
991
00:48:00,836 --> 00:48:02,754
It's been in somebody
else's house,
992
00:48:02,838 --> 00:48:04,339
it's been on stage
with somebody else.
993
00:48:05,591 --> 00:48:09,261
It's Tom Petty and Norm
hanging out in the store,
994
00:48:09,344 --> 00:48:11,430
trying to chisel down
those prices.
995
00:48:11,513 --> 00:48:14,683
[man] Norm's one of the few
mom and pop stores left.
996
00:48:14,766 --> 00:48:18,770
The very definition
of a mom and pop store
is what Norm's is.
997
00:48:18,854 --> 00:48:21,857
You know that Norm is the one
998
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:25,861
who goes to these places
that I wish I could go to,
you know,
999
00:48:25,944 --> 00:48:29,323
and find these rare guitars
and brings them here.
1000
00:48:29,406 --> 00:48:33,619
So, those of us who live
and work here, can play them,
1001
00:48:33,702 --> 00:48:35,537
and buy them
and have them and use them.
1002
00:48:35,621 --> 00:48:38,832
You walk in here, and there's
a spell that comes over you.
1003
00:48:38,915 --> 00:48:40,626
I mean, what other store
has got a couch
1004
00:48:40,709 --> 00:48:43,545
and you just sit here
and you talk, and,
"How you doing? What's up?"
1005
00:48:43,629 --> 00:48:45,672
And oh, it's just...
It's a hometown.
1006
00:48:45,756 --> 00:48:48,258
Musicians, aspiring musicians,
professional musicians,
1007
00:48:48,342 --> 00:48:50,218
whatever your status is,
1008
00:48:50,302 --> 00:48:51,678
you love to be in a place
1009
00:48:51,762 --> 00:48:54,097
where you can just
sort of feel at ease
1010
00:48:54,181 --> 00:48:55,557
and relaxed around instruments,
1011
00:48:55,641 --> 00:48:57,601
and being able to
try one out and hear it.
1012
00:48:57,684 --> 00:49:00,145
And it's just that kind
of environment
where they welcome you
1013
00:49:00,228 --> 00:49:03,148
to come and pick up a guitar
and try it out.
1014
00:49:03,231 --> 00:49:06,026
Going right back
to 16 years old,
12 years old, whatever,
1015
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:06,985
how we started this thing.
1016
00:49:07,569 --> 00:49:09,446
And that's the vibe
in this guitar store.
1017
00:49:09,529 --> 00:49:11,990
It's right back to why
we play guitar.
1018
00:49:12,074 --> 00:49:13,867
And I get inspiration
from that place,
1019
00:49:13,950 --> 00:49:16,787
just walking into the place
and seeing around the room.
1020
00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:19,081
There's music. Every time
you pick up a guitar,
1021
00:49:19,164 --> 00:49:22,876
it should inspire you
to play something
or sing something different.
1022
00:49:22,959 --> 00:49:25,545
This is one of the stores
you go in and you're just
overwhelmed.
1023
00:49:25,629 --> 00:49:26,755
[Taylor] At first,
I was terrified.
1024
00:49:26,838 --> 00:49:28,340
At first, I was like,
"Oh, gosh, like,
1025
00:49:28,965 --> 00:49:30,133
everyone's so intimidating.
1026
00:49:30,217 --> 00:49:32,761
Like I would kind of like
try to not be seen,
1027
00:49:32,844 --> 00:49:34,596
and not not try to talk
with too many people.
1028
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,683
The first time I heard
about Norman's Rare Guitars
1029
00:49:37,766 --> 00:49:40,519
was actually on set
of this TV show
1030
00:49:40,602 --> 00:49:42,062
I was doing called Roadies,
1031
00:49:42,145 --> 00:49:45,107
where a friend of mine who's
on the show was wearing
1032
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:47,025
a Norman's Rare Guitars
t-shirt.
1033
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:49,194
So, I was like,
"What's that place
with that address,
1034
00:49:49,277 --> 00:49:50,404
"like, right next to my house?"
1035
00:49:50,487 --> 00:49:52,531
We made plans
to go to Norman's.
1036
00:49:52,614 --> 00:49:57,703
I think this was the week
that, like, Prince died
and I saw this guitar...
1037
00:50:00,789 --> 00:50:02,207
which is a Parker.
1038
00:50:02,290 --> 00:50:03,667
It just felt like Prince,
you know?
1039
00:50:03,750 --> 00:50:05,961
And I was like, "Holy shit,
I gotta buy it."
1040
00:50:06,044 --> 00:50:08,839
And so that was
my first trip there.
1041
00:50:09,673 --> 00:50:10,590
I got this guy.
1042
00:50:10,674 --> 00:50:14,553
You walk in as a novice player,
you're just like, "Hey.
1043
00:50:15,554 --> 00:50:16,763
Well, these are really,
these are really cool--"
1044
00:50:16,847 --> 00:50:18,140
And you're afraid
to touch anything
1045
00:50:18,223 --> 00:50:21,017
and you don't know like what...
like what the rules are.
1046
00:50:21,643 --> 00:50:24,187
And then, all of a sudden, you
start to have a conversation
1047
00:50:24,271 --> 00:50:26,440
with anyone who works here,
1048
00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:29,234
and you realize,
they seem pretty cool.
1049
00:50:29,735 --> 00:50:30,902
Not only does
he know everything,
1050
00:50:30,986 --> 00:50:33,321
but the amazing people
that work with him
1051
00:50:33,405 --> 00:50:35,866
know everything
about guitars, and are--
1052
00:50:36,450 --> 00:50:38,118
I used to be embarrassed
to play in front of them.
1053
00:50:38,201 --> 00:50:41,913
[chuckles] They're so good.
You know, they play such great,
amazing guitar.
1054
00:50:41,997 --> 00:50:45,041
Everybody was just so nice.
I always felt welcome here.
1055
00:50:45,125 --> 00:50:46,626
Like, I can just kind of hang.
1056
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:49,045
There's been a few times where
I would come by and say hi,
1057
00:50:49,129 --> 00:50:51,423
because I was
in the neighborhood.
1058
00:50:51,506 --> 00:50:52,591
It's a hang suite, man.
1059
00:50:52,674 --> 00:50:54,050
When you get to know Norm
1060
00:50:54,134 --> 00:50:56,136
and the guys in here,
it's a family thing.
1061
00:50:56,219 --> 00:50:57,387
It's really home.
1062
00:50:57,471 --> 00:50:58,555
[harmonizing] ♪ Hello ♪
1063
00:50:58,638 --> 00:51:00,515
-♪ Hello ♪
-♪ Hello ♪
1064
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,559
♪ Hello ♪
1065
00:51:02,642 --> 00:51:05,520
It's like your favorite
local restaurant, you know,
1066
00:51:05,604 --> 00:51:08,315
where the owner's always there
and that's why
it's a good restaurant,
1067
00:51:08,398 --> 00:51:11,485
'cause the owner's
always there, making sure
1068
00:51:11,568 --> 00:51:13,695
everyone's doing it
the way he wants it done.
1069
00:51:13,779 --> 00:51:16,573
You're allowed to be
who you are
at whatever level you are.
1070
00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:18,867
It's chill. I've come
in here, looked around,
1071
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:21,536
and I think maybe once,
I didn't buy something,
1072
00:51:21,620 --> 00:51:26,750
I never leave the store
without getting a guitar,
which is crazy. It's crazy.
1073
00:51:26,833 --> 00:51:29,044
Sometimes,
you look at the price tags
of some of these guitars,
1074
00:51:29,127 --> 00:51:30,170
you'll be like, "Holy shit."
1075
00:51:31,421 --> 00:51:35,091
There are several
different kinds
of collecting that people do.
1076
00:51:35,175 --> 00:51:38,637
There are certain collectors
that only want instruments
1077
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:42,682
that have no issues,
no refinishing,
no parts swapped out.
1078
00:51:42,766 --> 00:51:46,228
You know, they want
the most original
conditioned type instruments,
1079
00:51:46,311 --> 00:51:48,772
and a lot of them
don't even play, you know,
1080
00:51:48,855 --> 00:51:51,566
a lot of collectors are
looking at it strictly as a...
1081
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:53,610
as a financial investment.
1082
00:51:53,693 --> 00:51:55,320
[Mike]
But these vintage instruments,
1083
00:51:55,403 --> 00:51:58,573
they're like Stradivarius,
or Picasso, pieces of art,
1084
00:51:58,657 --> 00:51:59,991
and they just go up in value.
1085
00:52:00,075 --> 00:52:03,328
It's a win-win. You get to play
your guitar on records,
1086
00:52:03,411 --> 00:52:05,622
write songs with it,
hang it on the wall.
1087
00:52:05,705 --> 00:52:08,708
It's beautiful to look at,
and it's a great investment.
1088
00:52:08,792 --> 00:52:10,335
Norm was right there
at the right time.
1089
00:52:10,418 --> 00:52:12,671
[Vince] Buying and selling
and knocking around
instruments,
1090
00:52:12,754 --> 00:52:15,632
they do it because they
really are crazy about it.
Aand they are crazy.
1091
00:52:15,715 --> 00:52:16,550
[laughs]
1092
00:52:16,633 --> 00:52:18,677
Basically, Norm is
selling me real estate,
1093
00:52:19,261 --> 00:52:21,930
and that real estate
is going... skyrocketing.
1094
00:52:22,013 --> 00:52:24,474
So, Norman supplies
that passion
1095
00:52:24,558 --> 00:52:26,268
for those who have it.
1096
00:52:26,351 --> 00:52:29,604
And the ones
that don't have it,
he sells back to me.
1097
00:52:29,688 --> 00:52:31,565
Being a guitar player
1098
00:52:31,648 --> 00:52:35,944
and understanding
what these scratches
and dents mean,
1099
00:52:36,027 --> 00:52:38,321
you know, to quote Eric Clapton
1100
00:52:38,405 --> 00:52:40,699
and how I like
to buy my guitars too,
1101
00:52:41,241 --> 00:52:44,286
is that I like to buy the ones
that were highly favored.
1102
00:52:44,953 --> 00:52:48,206
Where, you know, you can tell
somebody loved this guitar,
1103
00:52:48,874 --> 00:52:50,959
and for some reason
had to give it away.
1104
00:52:51,042 --> 00:52:54,921
Right now, I'm on the cusp
of too big to unwind.
1105
00:52:55,005 --> 00:52:58,717
I have 400 guitars,
400-plus guitars, 400 amps.
1106
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,970
And you're like... [sighs]
You know, there's a point where
1107
00:53:02,053 --> 00:53:05,432
the saturation point becomes...
I'm very aware of that.
1108
00:53:06,182 --> 00:53:08,852
And how much...
how much do you need?
1109
00:53:08,935 --> 00:53:11,563
Yeah, you get spun up,
and then you start making sets,
1110
00:53:11,646 --> 00:53:12,814
and you make, you know, like,
1111
00:53:12,898 --> 00:53:14,774
"I want to get every color
and stuff like that."
1112
00:53:14,858 --> 00:53:18,695
And yeah, the addict
and the collector comes out.
1113
00:53:18,778 --> 00:53:22,407
When you're
in acquisition mode,
you're rolling like this.
1114
00:53:23,283 --> 00:53:26,536
Here's common sense.
Here's fiscal responsibility.
1115
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:30,332
And you close,
and you just go, "I'm in here,
1116
00:53:30,415 --> 00:53:31,708
I'm this, I want that."
1117
00:53:31,791 --> 00:53:34,586
And then, all of a sudden,
it just stops
1118
00:53:34,669 --> 00:53:38,673
and you go, "Okay, probably
should just sit back
1119
00:53:38,757 --> 00:53:40,050
and enjoy what you have."
1120
00:53:40,133 --> 00:53:44,220
Because, on several occasions
I'll pull out cases,
1121
00:53:44,304 --> 00:53:47,557
and I'm like, "Oh, my God,
I forgot I had this," you know?
1122
00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:49,684
Dumbbell, you've had it
for ten years,
1123
00:53:49,768 --> 00:53:51,019
you know,
you forgot you bought it.
1124
00:53:51,102 --> 00:53:54,397
There was
a very prolific period for me
1125
00:53:54,481 --> 00:53:57,275
when I was here
and in the other store a lot.
1126
00:53:57,901 --> 00:53:59,778
I had almost 100 guitars.
1127
00:54:01,071 --> 00:54:03,031
And then I got really cross
with myself,
1128
00:54:03,114 --> 00:54:06,076
because there was no way
you could play 100 guitars.
1129
00:54:06,159 --> 00:54:11,081
And so, I sold almost
three quarters of them.
1130
00:54:11,164 --> 00:54:14,876
Now I have a rule...
to buy a new guitar
1131
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,628
is to sell an old guitar.
1132
00:54:17,170 --> 00:54:21,257
So, it becomes a lot harder
to make those decisions.
1133
00:54:21,841 --> 00:54:24,177
[Joe] One of the things
about collecting
1134
00:54:24,260 --> 00:54:26,972
and this whole thing,
this whole room that we're in,
1135
00:54:27,055 --> 00:54:31,226
is the fact that
we are purveyors of cool.
1136
00:54:31,309 --> 00:54:33,979
You know,
and you only buy stuff
that you think is cool.
1137
00:54:34,062 --> 00:54:36,898
That's the... that's
the only litmus test
that you got to have.
1138
00:54:36,982 --> 00:54:38,358
"Do you really like this stuff?
1139
00:54:38,441 --> 00:54:41,194
Do you think it's cool?
Do you want to display it?"
1140
00:54:41,277 --> 00:54:44,072
Or in my case,
make a theme park
out of it. Sure.
1141
00:54:44,155 --> 00:54:46,116
You know, and that's
really where...
1142
00:54:46,199 --> 00:54:47,742
It's the long and short of it.
1143
00:54:47,826 --> 00:54:51,663
Nobody knew back then that
you could take a $300 guitar
1144
00:54:51,746 --> 00:54:55,417
and then people would pay
50,000 or 60,000 bucks for it
40 years later.
1145
00:54:55,500 --> 00:54:57,585
You know, certain guitars
are desirable,
1146
00:54:57,669 --> 00:55:00,839
and a lot of times, it's
because of who plays them.
1147
00:55:00,922 --> 00:55:03,299
There's a lot of things
that are old, buy doesn't mean
they're great.
1148
00:55:03,383 --> 00:55:06,594
I actually remember
the first time I went
into Norm's store.
1149
00:55:06,678 --> 00:55:08,013
I got in an argument with him,
1150
00:55:08,096 --> 00:55:11,141
because my first vintage guitar
was a Stratocaster,
1151
00:55:11,224 --> 00:55:13,893
1964 Stratocaster
I got in Florida,
1152
00:55:13,977 --> 00:55:17,230
which I actually borrowed
the money, 'cause I couldn't
afford it for $200.
1153
00:55:17,313 --> 00:55:19,232
And so, I went into
his store one day,
1154
00:55:19,315 --> 00:55:21,151
and he had one,
I wanted a backup.
1155
00:55:21,234 --> 00:55:23,361
He had one similar. And I said,
"Well, how about that one?"
1156
00:55:23,445 --> 00:55:25,238
He said, "That's $20,000."
1157
00:55:25,321 --> 00:55:28,158
And I wanted to slug him.
Like, that's immoral.
1158
00:55:28,241 --> 00:55:30,493
I got mine for 200 bucks.
What's going on?
1159
00:55:30,577 --> 00:55:32,662
But Norm had
the vision that he saw
1160
00:55:32,746 --> 00:55:34,539
that the market
was gonna explode.
1161
00:55:35,415 --> 00:55:37,167
And I didn't,
I was stuck in the...
1162
00:55:37,250 --> 00:55:38,877
in the dark ages
for a long time.
1163
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,546
I just couldn't bring myself
to spend that kind of money
on an instrument.
1164
00:55:41,629 --> 00:55:43,590
And, of course, now,
it's way past that.
1165
00:55:43,673 --> 00:55:46,426
And I've become a collector
by default over the years.
1166
00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:47,802
I just buy them to play them,
1167
00:55:47,886 --> 00:55:50,472
and they've started to
pile up in my house now.
1168
00:55:51,848 --> 00:55:52,932
As I look around this room
1169
00:55:53,016 --> 00:55:55,810
and I see all of
these guitars in here,
it's kind of overwhelming.
1170
00:55:55,894 --> 00:55:57,729
But if you zero in
on one, right,
1171
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,899
and you pick up that guitar
and you start to play it,
1172
00:56:00,982 --> 00:56:02,150
it will talk to you.
1173
00:56:02,233 --> 00:56:04,736
And it tells you,
"I'm gonna teach you how
to play different."
1174
00:56:04,819 --> 00:56:06,112
And it's absolutely true.
1175
00:56:06,196 --> 00:56:09,616
The way I'll pick up
a Strat or a Tele,
compared to a Les Paul.
1176
00:56:09,699 --> 00:56:10,784
I'll hold it different,
1177
00:56:10,867 --> 00:56:14,996
my fingering is still
structurally the same,
1178
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,666
but I'll hold it tighter
or looser, or you know,
1179
00:56:18,750 --> 00:56:20,293
or grab onto it for dear life.
1180
00:56:20,376 --> 00:56:21,961
They all speak
to you differently.
1181
00:56:22,045 --> 00:56:25,215
Going to a shop like Norm's,
the whole idea was that you...
1182
00:56:25,298 --> 00:56:26,466
you would discover something.
1183
00:56:26,549 --> 00:56:28,510
Are you gonna find
that magic instrument,
1184
00:56:28,593 --> 00:56:30,470
that magic guitar
that speaks to you?
1185
00:56:30,553 --> 00:56:32,931
Sometimes, I'd have
a general idea
what I was looking for,
1186
00:56:33,014 --> 00:56:34,307
or maybe I wasn't looking
for anything,
1187
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:37,477
and kind of finding
that perfect surprise.
1188
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,188
But, you know,
go around the wall
and just grab the necks.
1189
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:42,649
You know, for me it's all...
it's a feel thing.
1190
00:56:42,732 --> 00:56:45,902
You know, I grab the neck,
I don't even have to
take it off the wall.
1191
00:56:45,985 --> 00:56:48,113
If I feel it and it feels
kind of like,
1192
00:56:48,196 --> 00:56:49,989
"Hey, this is in
the ball game."
1193
00:56:50,073 --> 00:56:52,158
You know, then I take it
to another level.
1194
00:56:52,242 --> 00:56:56,663
I think that
even young people...
My boys are 20 and 24,
1195
00:56:56,746 --> 00:56:58,164
so I look to them a lot.
1196
00:56:58,248 --> 00:56:59,541
How do your friends react?
1197
00:56:59,624 --> 00:57:03,044
And, yeah, a lot of kids
buy things online,
1198
00:57:03,128 --> 00:57:07,048
but I also know customers here
that are young people
1199
00:57:07,132 --> 00:57:09,175
that give a shit
about the exchange,
1200
00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:12,053
that give a shit
about picking it up
and plugging it in,
1201
00:57:12,137 --> 00:57:14,472
that give a shit about
being amongst this.
1202
00:57:14,556 --> 00:57:18,226
One of the things I would say
that why the guitars
still sell online too,
1203
00:57:18,309 --> 00:57:21,104
a lot of the reason is you're
not gonna find another one.
1204
00:57:21,187 --> 00:57:24,482
Buying online is great if
you know exactly what you want
1205
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:28,069
and you have an idea of
what it's gonna sound like.
1206
00:57:29,362 --> 00:57:31,364
But it has to be
something generic.
1207
00:57:31,448 --> 00:57:33,199
If you're shopping
for vintage stuff,
1208
00:57:33,283 --> 00:57:34,576
you have to come
and listen to it.
1209
00:57:34,659 --> 00:57:36,661
You gotta sit
with it in your hands.
1210
00:57:36,744 --> 00:57:38,580
It's a tactile experience.
1211
00:57:38,663 --> 00:57:42,792
Two perfectly great
guitar players can sit down
with the same guitar,
1212
00:57:42,876 --> 00:57:45,462
and one of them will love it
and one of them will be "meh."
1213
00:57:46,087 --> 00:57:49,466
You know, it's... it's very,
very personal, the decision.
1214
00:57:49,549 --> 00:57:52,343
A professional musician,
you're going be spending
a lot of time.
1215
00:57:52,427 --> 00:57:53,887
This thing's helping you
make your living,
1216
00:57:53,970 --> 00:57:56,431
so you got to make
the right choice, you know.
1217
00:57:56,514 --> 00:57:59,142
[Joe] People hanging out
on the couch
and playing together
1218
00:57:59,225 --> 00:58:00,852
and talking and laughing,
1219
00:58:00,935 --> 00:58:03,438
and, you know, obviously,
when that's happening,
1220
00:58:03,521 --> 00:58:05,023
it helps drive sales,
1221
00:58:05,523 --> 00:58:07,066
but it also just fosters
the community.
1222
00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:08,985
And I think Norman's
just has a community
1223
00:58:09,068 --> 00:58:11,362
that most other music stores
don't have.
1224
00:58:11,446 --> 00:58:13,072
[all cheering]
1225
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:20,413
The vibe of the store is
the reason why guitar stores
should exist.
1226
00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:24,542
It wasn't even about
the guitars sometimes.
1227
00:58:24,626 --> 00:58:28,379
There was always
just an element of the family,
1228
00:58:28,463 --> 00:58:30,381
not just of the people
who work there,
1229
00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:31,883
but of the people
who shop there.
1230
00:58:31,966 --> 00:58:35,637
We've had a lot of really
kind of touching moments
in the store as well,
1231
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:40,225
and a lot of stuff that,
you know, is, you know,
1232
00:58:40,308 --> 00:58:41,601
a little on the sad side,
1233
00:58:41,684 --> 00:58:45,897
and you know, it's just
an experience that,
1234
00:58:45,980 --> 00:58:47,440
you know,
you kind of had to be here.
1235
00:58:47,524 --> 00:58:50,610
But we had a young man
who came into the store,
1236
00:58:50,693 --> 00:58:54,364
his name was Kyle Grady
and his mom, June,
1237
00:58:54,447 --> 00:58:56,950
and they were
really sweet folks,
and they came in.
1238
00:58:57,033 --> 00:59:02,038
And Kyle had some type
of really rare cancer
in his face.
1239
00:59:04,123 --> 00:59:08,211
And his eye was removed,
he had, like, a patch
over his eye.
1240
00:59:08,294 --> 00:59:10,713
He looked like he was probably
a really good-looking kid.
1241
00:59:11,256 --> 00:59:13,299
He had been through it
with these surgeries.
1242
00:59:13,383 --> 00:59:15,301
And he came in and he said,
1243
00:59:15,385 --> 00:59:17,845
"You know, I know you're
friends with Richie Sambora.
1244
00:59:17,929 --> 00:59:20,265
He said, "You know, I've
been going through a lot
of these surgeries
1245
00:59:20,348 --> 00:59:22,642
"and, you know,
they've been really,
1246
00:59:22,725 --> 00:59:24,102
you know, hard on me.
1247
00:59:24,185 --> 00:59:25,770
He said, you know,
"One of the things
1248
00:59:25,853 --> 00:59:29,607
"that really kept me
going was, I'm a big fan
of Richie Sambora,
1249
00:59:29,691 --> 00:59:32,986
"and I have this little
cassette tape of me playing
1250
00:59:33,069 --> 00:59:35,280
"some of Richie's tunes,
the Bon Jovi tunes.
1251
00:59:35,905 --> 00:59:38,074
And he said,
"Would you do me a favor?
1252
00:59:38,157 --> 00:59:39,701
Could you give this
to Richie for me?"
1253
00:59:40,368 --> 00:59:42,912
And it was, really,
a moving moment.
1254
00:59:42,996 --> 00:59:45,415
His mom really wanted...
they weren't sure...
1255
00:59:45,498 --> 00:59:47,750
He, you know, he said
one of his friends had said,
1256
00:59:47,834 --> 00:59:50,003
"You know,
you shouldn't go in the store.
1257
00:59:50,086 --> 00:59:52,463
You know, the way you look,
you know, they might
start making fun of you."
1258
00:59:52,547 --> 00:59:54,299
That was the opposite
really, of what happened.
1259
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:57,760
It was really, you know,
we were really moved
for the kid.
1260
00:59:57,844 --> 01:00:00,972
And I called Richie,
who happened
to be in town at the time,
1261
01:00:01,055 --> 01:00:04,392
and I said, "You know, Richie,
there's this kid in the store
1262
01:00:04,475 --> 01:00:08,813
"and he's gone through some
really bad bouts with cancer,
1263
01:00:08,896 --> 01:00:12,400
"and he's had part of
his face removed,
and this and that,"
1264
01:00:12,483 --> 01:00:14,402
you know, and that he
seems like a really nice kid.
1265
01:00:14,485 --> 01:00:16,779
"And he was really inspired
by your guitar playing.
1266
01:00:16,863 --> 01:00:19,782
"He gave me a cassette tape
that he wants me to give
to you/
1267
01:00:20,366 --> 01:00:22,660
"You know, I just thought
maybe I'd put you
on the phone with him,
1268
01:00:22,744 --> 01:00:24,829
to just give him a couple words
of encouragement."
1269
01:00:25,413 --> 01:00:28,166
And Richie said, "Is he
in the store right now?
1270
01:00:28,708 --> 01:00:30,376
And I said, "Yeah,
he's over here now."
1271
01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:32,587
He said, "Keep him there.
I'll be right over."
1272
01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:34,005
And he jumped in his car...
1273
01:00:37,008 --> 01:00:38,051
he came over...
1274
01:00:40,136 --> 01:00:41,846
[breathes heavily]
1275
01:00:48,227 --> 01:00:51,397
[voice breaking]
Sorry for being emotional.
Excuse me.
1276
01:00:52,357 --> 01:00:54,651
It meant so much
to him and his family.
1277
01:00:56,277 --> 01:00:57,820
You have no idea.
1278
01:00:57,904 --> 01:01:02,033
And Richie is one of
the all-time biggest hearts,
1279
01:01:02,116 --> 01:01:05,453
one of the greatest guys I've
ever known, for him to do that.
1280
01:01:07,455 --> 01:01:09,582
They... they stayed in touch.
1281
01:01:10,833 --> 01:01:11,834
And, uh...
1282
01:01:12,877 --> 01:01:16,005
they would kind of
text each other
and email each other
1283
01:01:16,089 --> 01:01:17,548
and talk from time to time.
1284
01:01:18,299 --> 01:01:21,219
And they were
giving Richie an award
for The Midnight Mission.
1285
01:01:23,012 --> 01:01:27,392
And I flew Kyle and his mom out
1286
01:01:28,851 --> 01:01:30,019
to be with him that day.
1287
01:01:31,187 --> 01:01:33,189
It was one of the great moments
of his life.
1288
01:01:33,272 --> 01:01:34,941
And his mom
was so appreciative.
1289
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:38,653
A few months later,
Kyle passed away. [sobs]
1290
01:01:41,864 --> 01:01:43,741
And it was something, you know,
1291
01:01:45,118 --> 01:01:49,247
that I know brought happiness
to this kid who...
[breathes heavily]
1292
01:01:50,957 --> 01:01:52,208
...had been through so much.
1293
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,504
I'm sorry, I should really...
I should cut this, you know.
1294
01:01:59,841 --> 01:02:03,886
Some people are dealt
a really tough hand in life,
1295
01:02:03,970 --> 01:02:06,973
and it was one of the moments
that meant the most to me.
1296
01:02:10,476 --> 01:02:12,770
I've done so many things
like that,
1297
01:02:14,105 --> 01:02:16,983
visiting children's hospitals
where these kids are dying.
1298
01:02:17,066 --> 01:02:20,570
It is a very, very, very,
very hard thing to do.
1299
01:02:21,446 --> 01:02:25,324
You just bring hope
and you talk to them
1300
01:02:26,492 --> 01:02:28,202
almost in
an existential manner.
1301
01:02:28,786 --> 01:02:29,704
So it's like,
1302
01:02:31,456 --> 01:02:32,749
how you doing?
1303
01:02:32,832 --> 01:02:34,375
It's more like being a friend.
1304
01:02:34,459 --> 01:02:36,461
You have to have
a conversation with them
1305
01:02:37,545 --> 01:02:39,464
from past, present, and future.
1306
01:02:43,843 --> 01:02:46,179
Fucking sad.
Sorry, I'm a bit choked up.
1307
01:02:50,391 --> 01:02:51,601
That's what you do.
1308
01:02:58,149 --> 01:03:00,860
By the way, even if
you don't like guitars,
1309
01:03:00,943 --> 01:03:03,571
and you've already seen
Norm's good looks...
1310
01:03:03,654 --> 01:03:06,574
So those things happen
upon entering the store,
1311
01:03:06,657 --> 01:03:09,744
but to look around, oh, my God,
1312
01:03:10,411 --> 01:03:11,913
even if you're not
a guitar person,
1313
01:03:11,996 --> 01:03:13,831
it's just so warm
and welcoming.
1314
01:03:13,915 --> 01:03:15,792
But here's also
the exciting thing.
1315
01:03:15,875 --> 01:03:18,127
When I was first
brought into the back,
1316
01:03:18,961 --> 01:03:21,380
oh, delightful.
1317
01:03:21,464 --> 01:03:23,466
[curious music plays]
1318
01:03:28,721 --> 01:03:32,099
[Jeff] There's the stuff
out there,
which is all great stuff
1319
01:03:32,183 --> 01:03:33,643
and there's lots of it.
1320
01:03:34,894 --> 01:03:36,062
But there's a back room
1321
01:03:37,104 --> 01:03:39,774
and that's... that's where
the gold is.
1322
01:03:40,358 --> 01:03:42,735
There's vaults that
go back that way.
1323
01:03:42,819 --> 01:03:44,028
He's like,
"What are you looking for?"
1324
01:03:44,111 --> 01:03:45,530
And you'd be
looking around, going,
1325
01:03:45,613 --> 01:03:46,989
"Well, I was looking, like...
1326
01:03:47,073 --> 01:03:51,536
"like anything mid '60's,
I'm looking for a Dove.
1327
01:03:51,619 --> 01:03:53,538
But yeah, I'll come back
when you got--"
1328
01:03:53,621 --> 01:03:55,122
"Hold on, don't move." [laughs]
1329
01:03:55,206 --> 01:03:58,042
You'd be there. And then
he'd go behind the door,
1330
01:03:58,125 --> 01:03:59,919
or someone would
go behind the door,
1331
01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:01,963
and then five minutes later,
1332
01:04:02,046 --> 01:04:06,259
three 1966, '67 Doves were
standing right there.
1333
01:04:06,342 --> 01:04:09,011
And then he had
the Hummingbirds in case
you wanted to change your mind.
1334
01:04:09,095 --> 01:04:10,763
I just thought, "Wow,
1335
01:04:10,847 --> 01:04:14,058
"like, how big is whatever room
that is behind there,
1336
01:04:14,141 --> 01:04:15,977
and why aren't we allowed
to go in there?"
1337
01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:19,063
The guitars in the back
kind of have to stay
how they are.
1338
01:04:19,146 --> 01:04:20,773
A guitar up front, you jnow,
1339
01:04:20,857 --> 01:04:24,193
someone knocks off
a switch tip from a Telecaster
and it's no big deal.
1340
01:04:24,277 --> 01:04:25,820
We throw another one on there.
1341
01:04:25,903 --> 01:04:29,490
But you knock off
the switch tip
from a '52 Telecaster,
1342
01:04:29,574 --> 01:04:31,617
and now it's not
all original anymore.
[chuckles]
1343
01:04:32,118 --> 01:04:33,452
And that's actually
kind of a big deal.
1344
01:04:33,536 --> 01:04:36,414
If Norm doesn't want
to bring someone
to the back,
1345
01:04:36,497 --> 01:04:38,749
it's like, "What,
I'm not good enough,"
or something like that.
1346
01:04:38,833 --> 01:04:41,752
But really, it can just be
these guitars aren't supposed
1347
01:04:41,836 --> 01:04:44,881
to be put in the hands
of everybody who
wants to see them.
1348
01:04:44,964 --> 01:04:47,049
I've noticed that Norm
is more protective
1349
01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:49,844
of historically
significant guitars,
1350
01:04:50,344 --> 01:04:51,637
maybe than even guitars
1351
01:04:51,721 --> 01:04:53,389
that technically would
make him more money.
1352
01:04:53,472 --> 01:04:57,268
That's what he cares about,
preserving the history of
the instruments that he loves.
1353
01:04:57,351 --> 01:05:00,855
But also on the flip side,
I've seen him take out
Tom Petty's guitar
1354
01:05:00,938 --> 01:05:02,481
and show it to
a bunch of people,
1355
01:05:02,565 --> 01:05:06,360
just because someone could
walk in and say, "My mom and I
are huge Tom Petty fans."
1356
01:05:06,444 --> 01:05:08,029
And he'll just say, "You wanna
see something cool?"
1357
01:05:41,395 --> 01:05:43,773
[Joe] There's the stuff
you see in the store.
1358
01:05:43,856 --> 01:05:46,400
And then there's
the "secret stash."
1359
01:05:49,612 --> 01:05:52,156
[Tim] I had heard about
the warehouse forever.
1360
01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:54,075
Get into Norm's car
one day, and we drive,
1361
01:05:54,158 --> 01:05:55,910
and I'm talking to Norm
and I kind of don't know
1362
01:05:55,993 --> 01:05:57,119
where it is, which is
what he wants.
1363
01:05:58,454 --> 01:06:03,376
[Joe] And it was
the scene out of that
Indiana Jones movie
1364
01:06:03,459 --> 01:06:05,628
where they find the holy grail,
1365
01:06:05,711 --> 01:06:08,798
and it goes into
this secret warehouse
where all these crates
1366
01:06:08,881 --> 01:06:10,299
and there's forklifts...
1367
01:06:11,050 --> 01:06:15,012
I just remember popping
these things open
with a crowbar,
1368
01:06:15,096 --> 01:06:18,599
and it's just floor to ceiling,
guitars, guitars.
1369
01:06:18,683 --> 01:06:19,517
And you're like, "What?"
1370
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,977
He's like, "Yeah, I have 12
of these."
1371
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:22,061
I'm like, "What?"
1372
01:06:23,354 --> 01:06:26,565
There's the great stuff
that people want in the store,
1373
01:06:26,649 --> 01:06:30,069
but there's also
the cut above stuff
that you never see again.
1374
01:06:30,152 --> 01:06:32,613
The once in a lifetime guitars,
the mint stuff,
1375
01:06:33,197 --> 01:06:36,951
the stuff that is so preserved
that it looks like
it was made yesterday,
1376
01:06:37,034 --> 01:06:39,829
and it's 70 years old
in some cases
with the acoustics.
1377
01:06:39,912 --> 01:06:41,747
It's 60 years old,
70 years old,
1378
01:06:41,831 --> 01:06:43,249
in the case
of the solid bodies.
1379
01:06:43,791 --> 01:06:47,920
I did pick up a guitar there
and I touched the tuning key
1380
01:06:48,004 --> 01:06:50,798
and it basically turned to sand
in my hand.
1381
01:06:50,881 --> 01:06:52,425
[laughing]
1382
01:06:53,926 --> 01:06:56,137
So there is... I think
they... I think it's time
1383
01:06:56,220 --> 01:06:58,973
for these guitars to...
to be put into people's hands.
1384
01:06:59,056 --> 01:07:02,685
I mean, it was an amazing...
I mean, I was like,
"Norm, I'm sorry." [chuckles]
1385
01:07:02,768 --> 01:07:04,145
Ah, he goes,
"Oh, happens all the time."
1386
01:07:04,228 --> 01:07:06,939
And some of these guitars
have barely been played,
1387
01:07:07,023 --> 01:07:09,275
and some of them don't have
a scratch on them.
1388
01:07:09,358 --> 01:07:11,861
And you realize
he's spent his entire life
1389
01:07:11,944 --> 01:07:14,113
actually archiving
and collecting
1390
01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:16,741
the best examples
of the best guitars.
1391
01:07:16,824 --> 01:07:18,325
It's... it's jaw dropping.
1392
01:07:19,035 --> 01:07:21,370
[Joe] And he has
all this stuff.
1393
01:07:21,454 --> 01:07:24,248
It's a lifetime worth
of collecting.
1394
01:07:24,331 --> 01:07:26,292
It's a lifetime worth
of passion.
1395
01:07:26,375 --> 01:07:30,337
And that's what makes
Norm's Rare Guitars special.
It's him.
1396
01:07:35,468 --> 01:07:39,513
I saw Norm's store
on YouTube first.
1397
01:07:39,597 --> 01:07:43,642
I think one of the first videos
I saw was when
1398
01:07:44,393 --> 01:07:46,437
Richie Sambora
was here with Orianthi.
1399
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:48,189
And I used to play
that video over
1400
01:07:48,272 --> 01:07:49,690
and over and over
and over again.
1401
01:07:49,774 --> 01:07:52,359
Like, I just... they just
looked like they were just
having so much fun.
1402
01:07:52,443 --> 01:07:54,153
Today, at Norm's Rare Guitars,
1403
01:07:54,236 --> 01:07:57,740
I got my really great buddy
over here, Richie Sambora.
1404
01:07:57,823 --> 01:08:01,035
-What's happening, man?
-And the great Orianthi.
1405
01:08:01,118 --> 01:08:02,536
And both of them were
just kind of killing it.
1406
01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:04,914
Every guitar they
would give to him...
[babbling]
1407
01:08:04,997 --> 01:08:07,166
This chick plays
like she means it.
1408
01:08:07,249 --> 01:08:09,543
[playing guitar riff]
1409
01:08:13,130 --> 01:08:16,425
Yeah, I mean there's
ten million views
on that video, you know.
1410
01:08:16,509 --> 01:08:19,095
And I didn't know
he was filming,
which is a funny thing.
1411
01:08:19,178 --> 01:08:20,221
"Here's a guitar, try it."
1412
01:08:20,304 --> 01:08:22,306
And then Richie's
grabbing a guitar,
and I was grabbing one,
1413
01:08:22,389 --> 01:08:24,308
and then, you know,
he was throwing, like,
1414
01:08:24,391 --> 01:08:26,435
shiny things
and really cool things at me.
1415
01:08:26,519 --> 01:08:28,771
I'm like completely
engrossed with that.
1416
01:08:28,854 --> 01:08:30,356
It was pretty insane
when people, like...
1417
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,691
You got that many views
on that... on that video.
1418
01:08:32,775 --> 01:08:35,236
But I guess because
we didn't know that it was
being filmed, you know?
1419
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:39,073
So, it was really natural
and just obnoxious. [laughs]
1420
01:08:39,156 --> 01:08:41,075
When social media got big,
1421
01:08:41,158 --> 01:08:42,827
people actually had
1422
01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:45,496
this look into the store,
this inside look.
1423
01:08:45,579 --> 01:08:47,748
It was like, all of a sudden,
a window had been opened,
1424
01:08:47,832 --> 01:08:50,376
and everybody could
see the inner workings
1425
01:08:50,459 --> 01:08:52,795
and the people jamming
out on the couch.
1426
01:08:52,878 --> 01:08:56,674
And, "You wanna know
what's going on
on Tuesday at four o'clock?
1427
01:08:56,757 --> 01:08:58,509
Like, check social media."
1428
01:08:58,592 --> 01:09:00,177
'Cause they're pretty routine
about it.
1429
01:09:00,261 --> 01:09:02,221
[playing upbeat music]
1430
01:09:02,304 --> 01:09:04,723
[playing harmonica]
1431
01:09:07,726 --> 01:09:10,771
I noticed Norm's
social media taking off
1432
01:09:10,855 --> 01:09:14,650
before Norm noticed Norm's,
social media taking off.
1433
01:09:15,317 --> 01:09:16,735
At first, he was like,
he didn't know,
1434
01:09:16,819 --> 01:09:18,529
he needed a minute
to get his sea legs,
1435
01:09:18,612 --> 01:09:20,406
but he's become
a really great presenter.
1436
01:09:20,489 --> 01:09:22,449
Norm over here
at Norm's Rare Guitars.
1437
01:09:22,533 --> 01:09:24,743
[Marlene] I mean,
after a while, Norm loved
the YouTube channel,
1438
01:09:24,827 --> 01:09:27,663
like YouTube videos,
like every day.
1439
01:09:27,746 --> 01:09:29,415
Hey, everybody, Norm over here.
1440
01:09:29,498 --> 01:09:31,792
And I once again have
my buddy Frank Stallone.
1441
01:09:31,876 --> 01:09:33,294
They let him out for the week.
1442
01:09:33,377 --> 01:09:35,045
His nurse said he's okay.
1443
01:09:35,754 --> 01:09:37,840
You know, I'm not sure
about that, you know, but--
1444
01:09:37,923 --> 01:09:39,133
Neither am I, actually.
1445
01:09:39,216 --> 01:09:42,928
Well, anyhow, Stan,
I would like my $20
at this point.
1446
01:09:43,012 --> 01:09:46,432
-Well, you weren't there.
-Oh! Well, how do you
remember stuff like that?
1447
01:09:46,515 --> 01:09:49,393
-I mean...
-Hey, LSD, it's mind expanding.
1448
01:09:49,476 --> 01:09:51,437
I remember,
I remember everything.
1449
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,230
[Jen] He's definitely
a celebrity on YouTube.
1450
01:09:53,314 --> 01:09:55,274
Every time somebody
comes in, it's like,
"Oh, I love your show."
1451
01:09:55,858 --> 01:09:57,359
And he'll be like, "What show?"
1452
01:09:57,443 --> 01:09:59,069
And I was like,
"Norm, the YouTube channel."
1453
01:09:59,153 --> 01:10:00,321
I was like, "That's where
they see you at."
1454
01:10:00,404 --> 01:10:02,072
And he's just like,
"Oh, that thing."
1455
01:10:02,156 --> 01:10:05,242
I mean, we get viewers
from everywhere.
1456
01:10:06,827 --> 01:10:08,913
Hey guys, welcome back
to another episode
of "Guitar of the Day."
1457
01:10:08,996 --> 01:10:10,164
I'm your host, Michael Lemmo.
1458
01:10:10,247 --> 01:10:12,750
"Guitar of the Day" is a show
1459
01:10:12,833 --> 01:10:16,754
where we pick basically
our favorite guitar of the day
and we showcase it.
1460
01:10:16,837 --> 01:10:20,216
First we start off in the back
and we open the case.
1461
01:10:20,299 --> 01:10:24,470
It's a 1960 Gibson ES-330.
1462
01:10:24,553 --> 01:10:26,639
Once we take it out front,
we demo it.
1463
01:10:26,722 --> 01:10:29,099
We go through every pickup
for the world to see.
1464
01:10:29,183 --> 01:10:30,142
So let's check it out.
1465
01:10:30,226 --> 01:10:31,769
[Oates] Each one
of these guitars,
1466
01:10:31,852 --> 01:10:33,729
kind of makes you play
something different.
1467
01:10:33,812 --> 01:10:37,858
It leads you down
a musical path
in some way or another.
1468
01:10:39,443 --> 01:10:42,029
[Lenny] Norm's social media
is dangerous.
1469
01:10:42,696 --> 01:10:45,491
You know, you watch
those videos,
"Guitar of the Day,"
1470
01:10:45,574 --> 01:10:47,910
you look at the pictures
on Instagram,
1471
01:10:47,993 --> 01:10:52,790
and you end up wanting
so many things you see.
1472
01:10:52,873 --> 01:10:55,334
So, uh, you know,
you gotta be careful.
1473
01:10:56,001 --> 01:10:58,462
The way he helps
struggling artists
1474
01:10:58,545 --> 01:10:59,755
that come through the store.
1475
01:10:59,838 --> 01:11:01,924
"Hey, play a song. We'll put it
on our YouTube channel."
1476
01:11:02,007 --> 01:11:05,094
And you can sit on that couch
and you can play
1477
01:11:05,177 --> 01:11:06,262
and they'll put it out.
1478
01:11:06,345 --> 01:11:08,889
And so,
it's such an important place,
1479
01:11:08,973 --> 01:11:12,017
I think, for a young musician
1480
01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:14,645
to go and just get
a little bit of exposure.
1481
01:11:14,728 --> 01:11:16,772
He's very, very supportive.
1482
01:11:16,855 --> 01:11:20,901
I remember when
he first played for Norm
and started to sing,
1483
01:11:21,819 --> 01:11:24,363
I suddenly...
I saw him go very quiet.
1484
01:11:28,117 --> 01:11:31,120
♪ Hello, my sweet Maria ♪
1485
01:11:33,455 --> 01:11:35,833
♪ Always really nice
To see ya ♪
1486
01:11:35,916 --> 01:11:37,960
He nurtures really, you know.
1487
01:11:38,502 --> 01:11:40,754
♪ Oh, nothing's changed... ♪
1488
01:11:40,838 --> 01:11:43,465
I've been in the store
over the years, and walked in,
1489
01:11:43,549 --> 01:11:46,677
and there's these people
that nobody has ever heard of
1490
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,847
that just grab a guitar
and start noodling around.
1491
01:11:52,391 --> 01:11:54,935
Like a dog is, they're hanging,
and all of the sudden, whoop,
the ear goes up,
1492
01:11:55,019 --> 01:11:56,812
and it's like,
"What's going on over there?"
1493
01:11:56,895 --> 01:11:58,772
And then you start
to talk to the person.
1494
01:11:58,856 --> 01:12:00,858
And then I've watched
those videos that...
1495
01:12:00,941 --> 01:12:03,736
that we all see on online.
I've watched them happen.
1496
01:12:03,819 --> 01:12:05,821
[playing blues music]
1497
01:12:11,035 --> 01:12:13,537
It's cool to see hundreds
of thousands of people
1498
01:12:13,620 --> 01:12:15,789
watch you and watch your video,
1499
01:12:15,873 --> 01:12:19,376
and when you're there,
you're playing all these
amazing guitars.
1500
01:12:19,460 --> 01:12:21,211
That's the great thing
about Norman's.
1501
01:12:21,295 --> 01:12:24,131
It's only something
you can do there.
You can't do it anywhere else.
1502
01:12:24,214 --> 01:12:28,052
[Rogo] Norm's platform
definitely helped elevate
my platforms a lot,
1503
01:12:28,135 --> 01:12:30,512
because especially with
the YouTube algorithm
1504
01:12:30,596 --> 01:12:33,724
and people are searching
some unique guitar, right?
1505
01:12:33,807 --> 01:12:35,517
So they'll punch in
the name of that guitar
1506
01:12:35,601 --> 01:12:36,977
and Norman's Rare Guitars,
1507
01:12:37,061 --> 01:12:38,937
that's the first thing that
pops up for a lot of people.
1508
01:12:39,021 --> 01:12:41,273
And then they'll see me
and they'll see me play
the guitar.
1509
01:12:41,357 --> 01:12:44,902
And I think even Billy Gibbons,
he called the store one day.
1510
01:12:44,985 --> 01:12:47,780
He's like, "Who's that girl
that plays those
resonator guitars?"
1511
01:12:48,655 --> 01:12:50,824
So, it's certainly...
certainly not a bad thing.
1512
01:12:50,908 --> 01:12:53,577
And it's really cool being
exposed to people
1513
01:12:53,660 --> 01:12:55,996
all around the world through...
through his platform.
1514
01:12:58,665 --> 01:13:01,168
[Joe] That's one of
the coolest things
about the social media stuff
1515
01:13:01,251 --> 01:13:02,211
that... that I dig,
1516
01:13:02,294 --> 01:13:05,214
is just, it really exposing me
to the other musicians.
1517
01:13:05,756 --> 01:13:08,634
[Kiefer] He's finding musicians
and bands that he thinks
are worth breaking,
1518
01:13:09,385 --> 01:13:12,805
and then sets them up in here
and makes them play.
1519
01:13:12,888 --> 01:13:14,890
So the customers
hear about them,
1520
01:13:14,973 --> 01:13:18,519
and then, obviously, it goes
out to the social media space
1521
01:13:18,602 --> 01:13:20,145
and he's actually
making a difference.
1522
01:13:20,229 --> 01:13:21,563
That translates.
1523
01:13:21,647 --> 01:13:26,860
Marcus King, I remember
when he came in the store.
1524
01:13:26,944 --> 01:13:29,196
So, we start to do a video
and they start rolling it
1525
01:13:29,279 --> 01:13:30,781
and he starts playing,
and then...
1526
01:13:32,241 --> 01:13:34,868
he opened his mouth
and started singing.
1527
01:13:34,952 --> 01:13:37,704
♪ I've been driftin'
And a-driftin', baby ♪
1528
01:13:40,499 --> 01:13:43,460
♪ Just like a ship
Out on the sea ♪
1529
01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:53,429
♪ Said I've been driftin'
A-driftin', Mama ♪
1530
01:13:54,888 --> 01:13:57,599
♪ Just like a ship
Out on the sea ♪
1531
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:00,769
[Mark] The voice that came
out of this kid was like,
1532
01:14:01,645 --> 01:14:05,232
it was... it stopped you
dead in your tracks.
1533
01:14:05,315 --> 01:14:09,194
And it was like, "Oh, my God,
this is... I am watching
1534
01:14:09,903 --> 01:14:12,322
"the real deal right now.
1535
01:14:12,823 --> 01:14:14,992
"Like, this kid is gonna have
a serious career
1536
01:14:15,075 --> 01:14:16,160
in this industry."
1537
01:14:16,994 --> 01:14:19,371
♪ See my baby one morning ♪
1538
01:14:21,373 --> 01:14:24,168
♪ She was walking home
Down the street ♪
1539
01:14:24,251 --> 01:14:27,379
[Mark] It was, uh...
That was a pretty magic moment
1540
01:14:27,463 --> 01:14:29,465
to watch live in person.
1541
01:14:29,548 --> 01:14:32,134
We met for the first time
at my last job
1542
01:14:33,093 --> 01:14:34,428
at Norman's Rare Guitars.
1543
01:14:34,511 --> 01:14:35,929
You walked in,
I'll never forget it,
1544
01:14:36,013 --> 01:14:38,724
you were playing in the corner
and we're like, "He's good.
We should do a video."
1545
01:14:38,807 --> 01:14:40,726
And so we turned on the camera
and then you started singing,
1546
01:14:40,809 --> 01:14:42,561
and we were all like,
"Oh, my God!"
1547
01:14:42,644 --> 01:14:45,814
And then the video got,
like, two million views
or something like that.
1548
01:14:45,898 --> 01:14:47,858
It was crazy. I'd never
been a part of anything
quite like that.
1549
01:14:47,941 --> 01:14:50,194
Yeah, that was the first
viral video I think that...
1550
01:14:50,277 --> 01:14:51,862
that was ever on that channel.
1551
01:14:51,945 --> 01:14:55,741
And then, I've been
kind of watching the rise
of Marcus King ever since.
1552
01:14:55,824 --> 01:14:58,619
Man, I got to tell you,
it's... it seems like
it's all happening.
1553
01:14:58,702 --> 01:15:03,540
Man I'll tell you that...
that video really kind of
1554
01:15:04,249 --> 01:15:06,293
launched a career, really.
1555
01:15:06,376 --> 01:15:08,504
Something that I was already
on my way to do,
1556
01:15:08,587 --> 01:15:09,796
but that video helped a lot.
1557
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,757
I remember talking to
Joe Bonamassa about you,
1558
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,426
and he said, Marcus King,
he said, I'll never forget it,
1559
01:15:14,510 --> 01:15:15,427
he said, "It's not if..."
1560
01:15:16,553 --> 01:15:17,471
It's when."
1561
01:15:17,554 --> 01:15:20,224
And the when is right now.
1562
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:22,518
[woman whooping]
1563
01:15:22,601 --> 01:15:25,312
When people come in here
and they sound really good,
1564
01:15:25,395 --> 01:15:26,980
I'll tell Norm
or Norm will tell me
1565
01:15:27,064 --> 01:15:28,482
like, "Oh, let's get a video
with them,
1566
01:15:28,565 --> 01:15:29,983
because they just
sound amazing.
1567
01:15:30,067 --> 01:15:33,362
And so, we get to
highlight unknown artists
1568
01:15:33,445 --> 01:15:36,865
and it's... it's a great way
to show new artists
to our audience.
1569
01:15:36,949 --> 01:15:40,536
A lot of people have come in
before they were ever known
by anybody.
1570
01:15:40,619 --> 01:15:42,538
Post Malone,
coming into the store,
1571
01:15:42,621 --> 01:15:47,000
no tattoos, long hair,
looking like a kid.
1572
01:15:47,084 --> 01:15:49,753
[over phone] Hey, everybody,
Norm over here
at Norman's Rare Guitars.
1573
01:15:49,836 --> 01:15:51,380
Look at this little chunker.
1574
01:15:51,463 --> 01:15:53,674
The young men that just
came in,
1575
01:15:53,757 --> 01:15:57,386
Jason Probst
and Austin and Douglas.
1576
01:15:57,469 --> 01:15:59,137
And they had
a funny thing happen
1577
01:15:59,221 --> 01:16:01,390
to 'em in the parking lot
at Topanga Plaza.
1578
01:16:01,473 --> 01:16:03,725
Not really funny,
but it's funny
1579
01:16:03,809 --> 01:16:05,852
that they ended up
at Norm's Rare Guitars.
1580
01:16:06,687 --> 01:16:09,648
Well, we drive like a Suburban
1581
01:16:09,731 --> 01:16:11,817
and someone broke into the back
1582
01:16:12,401 --> 01:16:15,362
and stole the back seats
without us knowing.
1583
01:16:15,445 --> 01:16:16,947
-And a guitar.
-And... and his guitar.
1584
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:18,282
So we actually had to
come here and get a guitar.
1585
01:16:18,365 --> 01:16:19,950
-And...
-We knew right where to go.
1586
01:16:20,033 --> 01:16:22,369
They stole my Martin 000-15.
1587
01:16:22,452 --> 01:16:24,997
And so, we went looking around,
1588
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:28,208
and went to Norm's
to check it out,
1589
01:16:29,209 --> 01:16:31,628
and we bought another one.
1590
01:16:31,712 --> 01:16:32,879
So that was pretty awesome.
1591
01:16:32,963 --> 01:16:34,840
But it is funny
that they ended up here,
1592
01:16:34,923 --> 01:16:37,843
because you were planning on
possibly going someplace else.
1593
01:16:37,926 --> 01:16:40,762
-And then, somebody suggested
Norm's Rare Guitars.
-That was me.
1594
01:16:40,846 --> 01:16:42,014
-What a guy.
-Yes, sir.
1595
01:16:42,097 --> 01:16:44,266
All right. So he knows
where to get good guitars.
1596
01:16:44,349 --> 01:16:47,227
-Thank you, Austin. So, uh...
-Play something
for him, Austin.
1597
01:16:47,311 --> 01:16:48,604
Yeah, play
a little something here.
1598
01:16:48,687 --> 01:16:50,856
This is an Eric Clapton
reissue, you know?
1599
01:16:50,939 --> 01:16:52,608
Yeah. This is a pretty guitar.
I don't know,
1600
01:16:52,691 --> 01:16:54,860
I can't really play very well.
Let me just play a little...
1601
01:16:57,112 --> 01:16:59,489
And then I played
the same thing
that I always play.
1602
01:17:00,866 --> 01:17:02,909
All right, Jason Probst,
thank you so much, buddy.
1603
01:17:02,993 --> 01:17:04,036
-Nice meeting you.
-Austin.
1604
01:17:04,119 --> 01:17:05,203
-Nice to meet you.
-Norman, pleasure.
1605
01:17:05,287 --> 01:17:06,872
-Thank you.
-Norman's rocks.
1606
01:17:06,955 --> 01:17:08,874
Here we go.
Norm's Rare Guitars.
1607
01:17:09,625 --> 01:17:12,794
Yeah, that's beautiful.
I fucking forgot about that
wholeheartedly.
1608
01:17:12,878 --> 01:17:14,588
But it's really awesome to see.
1609
01:17:15,380 --> 01:17:17,924
I'm super different now.
Way cuter.
1610
01:17:18,008 --> 01:17:21,470
At the end of the day,
I think the success
of the social media
1611
01:17:21,553 --> 01:17:24,473
runs tangentially with
how authentic he is
1612
01:17:24,556 --> 01:17:26,767
as a person in his store.
1613
01:17:26,850 --> 01:17:28,060
And that's why he's successful.
1614
01:17:28,143 --> 01:17:30,604
If you are as advertised,
1615
01:17:30,687 --> 01:17:32,731
people want to follow that.
1616
01:17:32,814 --> 01:17:34,191
[Norman] Well, you know,
one can only hope
1617
01:17:34,274 --> 01:17:37,444
that they've done
something good for the industry
that they're part of.
1618
01:17:37,527 --> 01:17:39,363
I hope that we are doing,
1619
01:17:39,446 --> 01:17:41,239
and that people appreciate
is that,
1620
01:17:41,323 --> 01:17:44,409
we do try to introduce
young talent
to a lot of people,
1621
01:17:44,493 --> 01:17:47,162
and also, you know,
vintage players
1622
01:17:47,245 --> 01:17:50,791
that maybe are not well-known,
as well-known
as they should be.
1623
01:17:50,874 --> 01:17:52,793
Giving back is very important.
1624
01:17:52,876 --> 01:17:55,629
And like
the city of Los Angeles
has been so good to me
1625
01:17:55,712 --> 01:17:59,466
that I kind of feel like I have
to do something to give back
to the city,
1626
01:17:59,549 --> 01:18:03,095
because it's really done things
for me in my life
1627
01:18:03,178 --> 01:18:06,390
that I never would've imagined
could've possibly happened.
1628
01:18:08,433 --> 01:18:10,602
[rock music playing]
1629
01:18:12,688 --> 01:18:14,481
[Melissa] I don't know
if people know
how much money he raised,
1630
01:18:14,564 --> 01:18:17,901
how much he gave back
to the... the community.
1631
01:18:17,984 --> 01:18:21,029
He gives to charities,
and he's big on
The Midnight Mission.
1632
01:18:21,113 --> 01:18:23,240
[Joe] We live in
one of the richest cities
in the world,
1633
01:18:23,323 --> 01:18:27,577
yet there's 70,000 people
that don't have
a roof over their head.
1634
01:18:27,661 --> 01:18:30,080
We did a charity event
in Malibu for him,
1635
01:18:30,163 --> 01:18:33,041
and it was a big success, and
he's done more of those since.
1636
01:18:35,293 --> 01:18:39,047
♪ Here she comes for me... ♪
1637
01:18:39,131 --> 01:18:40,382
He's a workaholic,
1638
01:18:40,465 --> 01:18:42,551
and he has, you know,
so much every day.
1639
01:18:42,634 --> 01:18:46,430
His daily schedule,
I would not wish that
upon anyone,
1640
01:18:46,513 --> 01:18:48,140
but he's like
the Energizer Bunny,
1641
01:18:48,223 --> 01:18:50,559
and work is, like,
what fuels him.
1642
01:18:50,642 --> 01:18:52,185
Old man works the hardest.
1643
01:18:54,312 --> 01:18:55,897
[Jen] It's 'cause you're
the strongest, Norm.
1644
01:18:55,981 --> 01:18:59,526
I am. I must be. I'm
the most determined.
1645
01:18:59,609 --> 01:19:02,863
But on top of it, he's like,
"I'm gonna see who I can get
1646
01:19:02,946 --> 01:19:04,114
"to play these
Midnight Mission shows
1647
01:19:04,698 --> 01:19:07,451
"because I have this
big opportunity to help
1648
01:19:08,034 --> 01:19:10,036
"and I have
all these celebrities
coming into the store.
1649
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:11,913
What's the worst
they can say, is no."
1650
01:19:11,997 --> 01:19:15,333
The Heartbreakers got involved
with the Midnight Mission
a few times,
1651
01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:18,420
because we like Norm
and he asked us to do it.
1652
01:19:18,503 --> 01:19:19,713
We wanted to help.
1653
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:23,383
You know, I always feel like
I could have done more
1654
01:19:23,467 --> 01:19:26,720
and we will continue
to do more.
1655
01:19:26,803 --> 01:19:31,516
And I thank Norm Harris,
especially for, uh,
1656
01:19:32,434 --> 01:19:35,979
getting me involved and Dana,
for being so enthusiastic,
1657
01:19:36,062 --> 01:19:38,482
and The Midnight Mission
1658
01:19:39,733 --> 01:19:41,568
is a good way
to spend your money,
1659
01:19:41,651 --> 01:19:45,822
because they're...
they're honest people
1660
01:19:45,906 --> 01:19:50,744
and the money actually
has immediate effect
1661
01:19:50,827 --> 01:19:52,788
on people that
need it very badly.
1662
01:19:52,871 --> 01:19:55,540
Through Norm and his many
1663
01:19:55,624 --> 01:19:58,210
connections and friends,
and family,
1664
01:19:58,293 --> 01:20:00,504
he's brought in,
I would say millions
1665
01:20:00,587 --> 01:20:01,963
to The Midnight Mission.
1666
01:20:02,047 --> 01:20:04,090
If you took all the people
who donate to us
1667
01:20:04,174 --> 01:20:06,760
because they learned
about us through Norm,
1668
01:20:07,427 --> 01:20:10,597
I mean you could...
that number probably
would even go higher.
1669
01:20:10,680 --> 01:20:13,391
The Midnight Mission,
it's a great cause.
1670
01:20:13,475 --> 01:20:15,310
We need you guys to step up.
1671
01:20:15,393 --> 01:20:16,978
It's my favorite cause,
1672
01:20:17,062 --> 01:20:21,525
and we're gonna feed
over 250,000 meals
1673
01:20:21,608 --> 01:20:24,986
to homeless people just from
these two nights and more.
1674
01:20:25,070 --> 01:20:29,157
We just got some of our toys
and we just got 60 guitars
1675
01:20:29,241 --> 01:20:31,034
that we are gonna give
to the homeless kids.
1676
01:20:31,117 --> 01:20:33,912
[Georgia] He is truly humble.
It's not false humility.
1677
01:20:34,454 --> 01:20:38,583
And that may be one of
the outstanding qualities
about Norm,
1678
01:20:38,667 --> 01:20:42,712
is that he doesn't even know
how magnificent he is
1679
01:20:42,796 --> 01:20:44,089
and it's part of his charm.
1680
01:20:44,172 --> 01:20:47,801
It's like, "Do you even know?"
He doesn't know.
1681
01:20:47,884 --> 01:20:51,638
And I'm like, "It's Norm!"
Like, I adore Norm.
1682
01:20:51,721 --> 01:20:54,641
And I think that anyone who
meets him feels that way.
1683
01:20:56,393 --> 01:20:59,604
You know, in the years that
he's participated
in our toy drive
1684
01:20:59,688 --> 01:21:00,814
and our Christmas event,
1685
01:21:01,523 --> 01:21:03,108
I've come to see what a gift
1686
01:21:03,775 --> 01:21:06,570
giving somebody
a musical instrument
versus a toy.
1687
01:21:06,653 --> 01:21:10,657
He's giving
these children gifts
that will last a lifetime,
1688
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:12,868
and maybe even
become something for them
1689
01:21:12,951 --> 01:21:15,078
to process their emotions.
1690
01:21:15,161 --> 01:21:16,454
Maybe even a future career.
1691
01:21:16,538 --> 01:21:18,164
[woman] Where...
where are we, Norm?
1692
01:21:18,248 --> 01:21:19,624
We're down at
The Midnight Mission,
1693
01:21:19,708 --> 01:21:22,085
and we're trying to give
some kids a merry Christmas.
1694
01:21:22,168 --> 01:21:28,008
The ripple of Norm Harris
has been life saving
and life changing,
1695
01:21:28,925 --> 01:21:30,468
to the people in Skid Row.
1696
01:21:30,552 --> 01:21:34,556
His legacy is, uh, is immense.
1697
01:21:37,601 --> 01:21:41,438
[Joe] One of the things about
my friendship over the years
with Norm,
1698
01:21:42,147 --> 01:21:44,608
is the fact that I see
1699
01:21:44,691 --> 01:21:47,193
how much good
he does for people.
1700
01:21:47,861 --> 01:21:49,487
He's the type of person
1701
01:21:50,488 --> 01:21:53,325
that my family always tried
to make me,
1702
01:21:53,408 --> 01:21:55,243
is he'd rather give
than receive.
1703
01:22:01,458 --> 01:22:02,834
Hey, guys, Norm over here.
1704
01:22:02,918 --> 01:22:05,587
I'm in my hospital bed
with Marlene,
1705
01:22:06,254 --> 01:22:08,757
and I just want
to let you guys know that
1706
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,551
we're making some improvements.
It's little by little.
1707
01:22:11,635 --> 01:22:14,220
I'm in, actually,
a rehab center right now.
1708
01:22:14,804 --> 01:22:18,099
They took me
out of the hospital,
which is a good sign.
1709
01:22:18,183 --> 01:22:22,896
So we're hoping that I kind of
get back to my old self,
1710
01:22:22,979 --> 01:22:24,356
or close to it.
1711
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,483
And all the love
that I've received
1712
01:22:26,566 --> 01:22:29,152
and so many messages...
1713
01:22:29,986 --> 01:22:33,698
I love all of you, and I am
overwhelmed with it,
1714
01:22:33,782 --> 01:22:36,534
and it gets me teared up
when I read a lot of the stuff.
1715
01:22:37,202 --> 01:22:39,162
But, I love you guys.
1716
01:22:39,245 --> 01:22:42,874
I don't know who deserves
as much love as I'm getting,
1717
01:22:42,958 --> 01:22:45,001
but I'm overwhelmed by it.
1718
01:22:45,585 --> 01:22:47,671
And thank you guys
for everything.
1719
01:22:48,421 --> 01:22:49,714
[indistinct chatter]
1720
01:22:49,798 --> 01:22:51,925
-[Joe] Still buying.
-[laughter]
1721
01:22:52,008 --> 01:22:55,011
This is no,
this is the first...
this is the first guitar
1722
01:22:55,762 --> 01:22:56,846
I've ever bought
from this store
1723
01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:58,390
that Norm didn't personally
make the deal on.
1724
01:22:58,473 --> 01:22:59,724
-Yeah. Yeah.
-And it's like...
1725
01:22:59,808 --> 01:23:00,850
That's why
I always tell people, it's like
1726
01:23:00,934 --> 01:23:03,728
if you buy a guitar
from Norm's Rare Guitars,
you'll...
1727
01:23:03,812 --> 01:23:08,358
Norm gives the final say,
you know, on all the deals,
1728
01:23:08,441 --> 01:23:10,610
which is so good
to be here today
1729
01:23:10,694 --> 01:23:13,446
because you know,
you knocked off, like,
7,000 or 8,000 grand off it.
1730
01:23:13,530 --> 01:23:14,489
[laughing]
1731
01:23:18,201 --> 01:23:20,036
Yes, this is a business,
1732
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,998
and you have to sell guitars
in order to buy new guitars
1733
01:23:23,081 --> 01:23:24,165
to sell more guitars.
1734
01:23:24,249 --> 01:23:26,209
But there's a real passion
behind it.
1735
01:23:26,292 --> 01:23:28,753
And it's driven on
a real personal level
1736
01:23:28,837 --> 01:23:30,296
that the music is what matters.
1737
01:23:30,380 --> 01:23:32,382
And that this is the...
this is the foundation.
1738
01:23:32,966 --> 01:23:34,009
You can make your music,
1739
01:23:34,092 --> 01:23:36,219
but you can't make guitar music
without one of these.
1740
01:23:36,302 --> 01:23:37,679
And we're gonna
help you find one.
1741
01:23:37,762 --> 01:23:42,267
And it's got every sense
from the much smaller store
in the beginning to now,
1742
01:23:42,350 --> 01:23:44,310
that it is not a corporation.
1743
01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:48,940
[Sarah] This is like
the Cheers spot,
this is the hangout.
1744
01:23:49,024 --> 01:23:50,567
You don't get that anymore.
1745
01:23:50,650 --> 01:23:54,070
Like, companies try
and create that artificially,
1746
01:23:54,154 --> 01:23:55,613
like when you sit
at the Starbucks
1747
01:23:55,697 --> 01:23:57,866
and they want
everybody to sit there
1748
01:23:57,949 --> 01:24:00,744
and how can we market
to the kids to entice them
1749
01:24:00,827 --> 01:24:02,746
to, like, hang out here.
1750
01:24:02,829 --> 01:24:04,539
This is organic.
1751
01:24:04,622 --> 01:24:06,916
[Kiefer] Every instrument
that's come through this door
1752
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:08,460
that makes it to the wall
for sale,
1753
01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:11,838
has gone through Norm.
1754
01:24:12,547 --> 01:24:16,009
No one's gonna dispute
the authenticity of this place,
1755
01:24:16,092 --> 01:24:19,554
of Norm, of his passion
for the instrument,
1756
01:24:19,637 --> 01:24:21,389
and his passion
for the players.
1757
01:24:21,473 --> 01:24:22,557
[Rob] He still loves this.
1758
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,685
At a time where he could really
phone it in, he doesn't.
1759
01:24:26,227 --> 01:24:27,896
That's why
Norman's Rare Guitars
1760
01:24:27,979 --> 01:24:32,150
is as successful as it is,
is because he did the work.
1761
01:24:32,233 --> 01:24:34,569
That's what
Norman's Rare Guitars is today.
1762
01:24:34,652 --> 01:24:38,573
It's the work, it's the passion
and it's the love of guitars.
1763
01:24:38,656 --> 01:24:41,284
Thomas Edison,
he invented the light bulb.
1764
01:24:41,367 --> 01:24:43,369
You have inventors
and creators.
1765
01:24:43,453 --> 01:24:44,496
Norm should be on that list
1766
01:24:44,579 --> 01:24:48,792
'cause he basically created
the vintage guitar
market and store.
1767
01:24:48,875 --> 01:24:51,002
I believe he should be
credited with that.
1768
01:24:51,086 --> 01:24:56,007
These guitars are all Norm's,
and they will all find homes.
1769
01:24:56,091 --> 01:24:59,260
And you know,
there's something really cool
about saying like,
1770
01:24:59,344 --> 01:25:01,054
"I got this at Norm's."
1771
01:25:01,137 --> 01:25:04,516
[in Spanish]
It's easy to be successful
when everything comes
1772
01:25:04,599 --> 01:25:05,558
from the heart.
1773
01:25:06,226 --> 01:25:09,521
I think that
Norman's Rare Guitars is that.
1774
01:25:09,604 --> 01:25:11,648
[in English]
Norm has put the time in.
1775
01:25:11,731 --> 01:25:14,818
I think Norm will probably,
in some sense,
1776
01:25:14,901 --> 01:25:17,779
always be connected
with vintage guitars.
1777
01:25:17,862 --> 01:25:19,656
You know, it's in his blood.
1778
01:25:21,032 --> 01:25:23,326
[woman] Welcome back, Norm!
1779
01:25:23,409 --> 01:25:24,369
[man] There he is.
1780
01:25:24,452 --> 01:25:27,372
[woman] We're so excited
to see you in the shop.
1781
01:25:28,289 --> 01:25:29,165
Whoo!
1782
01:25:29,791 --> 01:25:31,334
Yes.
1783
01:25:31,417 --> 01:25:33,378
-Partially.
-[all laugh]
1784
01:25:34,003 --> 01:25:37,132
[woman] Yes, Norm.
[clapping] So happy.
1785
01:25:38,341 --> 01:25:40,635
-Thank you, boys.
-[man] We should put you
right to work.
1786
01:25:40,718 --> 01:25:42,720
[woman laughs]
Put you right to work.
1787
01:25:43,429 --> 01:25:45,431
[indistinct chatter]
1788
01:26:02,365 --> 01:26:07,203
[interviewer]
How do we keep that
Norman's Rare Guitars trust
1789
01:26:07,287 --> 01:26:08,663
when Norman is gone?
1790
01:26:08,746 --> 01:26:11,666
[Nick] When he is gone?
You mean...
1791
01:26:12,333 --> 01:26:15,503
[interviewer] Retired or...
It's inevitable he'll not
be here one day.
1792
01:26:16,379 --> 01:26:18,214
[Nick splutters] You know what,
1793
01:26:18,298 --> 01:26:19,799
I haven't really given that
much thought.
1794
01:26:19,883 --> 01:26:22,218
I don't...
I don't know whether, uh...
1795
01:26:23,428 --> 01:26:25,889
That's a... that's a very
saddening thought for me.
1796
01:26:25,972 --> 01:26:29,309
Norman doesn't have
an exit strategy.
1797
01:26:29,392 --> 01:26:32,061
You know, we just take
one day at a time,
1798
01:26:32,145 --> 01:26:36,774
and we hope that if anybody
would take over the store,
1799
01:26:36,858 --> 01:26:38,902
that they keep
the same employees.
1800
01:26:38,985 --> 01:26:43,531
He's built up a reputation
of honesty and fairness, trust,
1801
01:26:43,615 --> 01:26:46,534
and, um, people rely on him.
1802
01:26:47,869 --> 01:26:50,079
One of the people that
I would have to say is
1803
01:26:50,163 --> 01:26:52,498
as crazy about guitars
as Norman
1804
01:26:52,582 --> 01:26:54,000
is Joe Bonamassa.
1805
01:26:54,584 --> 01:26:57,712
And he loves everything
about guitars.
1806
01:26:57,795 --> 01:27:01,674
And I would say
he's got the same outlook
1807
01:27:01,758 --> 01:27:03,551
that Norman does. And, uh...
1808
01:27:04,427 --> 01:27:06,554
But he... You know, he's young
1809
01:27:06,638 --> 01:27:09,057
and he's got his career
to think of.
1810
01:27:09,140 --> 01:27:12,769
But Norman would love
to see him in the store also.
1811
01:27:13,394 --> 01:27:16,397
I think that he's gonna
have a long career
1812
01:27:17,148 --> 01:27:18,650
and he's fabulous, so...
1813
01:27:19,317 --> 01:27:21,152
But that's who
we think of sometimes.
1814
01:27:30,411 --> 01:27:34,707
I can't think of the, you know,
the store without Norm.
1815
01:27:34,791 --> 01:27:38,503
I know Norm since I was a kid
and I wanted to work with him,
1816
01:27:39,045 --> 01:27:41,506
and I'm doing that right now.
1817
01:27:41,589 --> 01:27:43,800
I just cannot imagine,
you know?
1818
01:27:43,883 --> 01:27:47,053
My life without Norm,
it's unthinkable.
1819
01:27:47,136 --> 01:27:50,640
Well, Norm is not replaceable,
and he never will be.
1820
01:27:50,723 --> 01:27:52,976
I'm so glad that
there's all this media,
1821
01:27:53,059 --> 01:27:55,144
and this... all of these films
1822
01:27:55,895 --> 01:27:57,897
and all the work
he's done for charity
1823
01:27:57,981 --> 01:28:01,859
that is a record permanently
of who he is
and what he has done,
1824
01:28:02,568 --> 01:28:04,279
because it'll make it easier
1825
01:28:05,113 --> 01:28:07,115
for us to talk about him
in 50 years.
1826
01:28:07,198 --> 01:28:08,074
It really will.
1827
01:28:08,157 --> 01:28:12,287
[Joe] Everybody who's
working here
just has to do their job
1828
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:15,707
the best they know how,
and it'll work.
1829
01:28:15,790 --> 01:28:17,208
And people are doing that.
1830
01:28:17,292 --> 01:28:20,461
People are making
an extra effort.
I think that's the key.
1831
01:28:20,545 --> 01:28:24,590
We know what Norm wants,
so it's up to us to do it.
1832
01:28:24,674 --> 01:28:28,594
[Nick] We will have
to keep Norman's standards
if he's not here.
1833
01:28:29,220 --> 01:28:32,140
We have to use his eyes
to buy stuff,
1834
01:28:32,223 --> 01:28:34,100
and his way of working,
1835
01:28:34,892 --> 01:28:38,104
and his love
of really cool stuff.
1836
01:28:38,688 --> 01:28:42,108
You know, for the rest
of the Harris family,
if nothing else.
1837
01:28:43,484 --> 01:28:46,654
[Lenny] I'm sure that
he's got people that will
look after the business.
1838
01:28:46,738 --> 01:28:50,283
I'm sure he's trained people as
to how he likes to do things,
1839
01:28:50,366 --> 01:28:52,994
and the specimens that
he likes to purchase.
1840
01:28:53,077 --> 01:28:56,497
And, you know, I'm sure he's
got a huge warehouse of things
1841
01:28:56,581 --> 01:28:57,874
that still haven't been seen.
1842
01:28:57,957 --> 01:29:02,420
So, I hope that
the business will continue on
into the future
1843
01:29:02,503 --> 01:29:04,672
for young players to discover.
1844
01:29:12,305 --> 01:29:16,017
[Rob] Maybe the storefront
will close,
1845
01:29:16,517 --> 01:29:19,187
but the name, the brand,
1846
01:29:19,937 --> 01:29:23,107
the memory will live on
for as long as everyone
1847
01:29:23,191 --> 01:29:24,484
who can remember it.
1848
01:29:24,567 --> 01:29:29,280
Norman's, it's... I mean,
it sounds so cliche
and so funny,
1849
01:29:30,156 --> 01:29:31,866
but it really is...
1850
01:29:31,949 --> 01:29:36,204
I mean, Norman's Rare Guitars,
it is an institution as...
1851
01:29:36,287 --> 01:29:38,331
You know, most people
who aren't musicians
1852
01:29:38,414 --> 01:29:40,583
or guitar players are going,
"Yeah, please." No.
1853
01:29:40,666 --> 01:29:43,669
But those of us who
have been around here
1854
01:29:43,753 --> 01:29:46,923
and who have that passion
of vintage guitars
1855
01:29:47,006 --> 01:29:48,883
and have that passion
for music,
1856
01:29:49,509 --> 01:29:50,843
it's going to live on.
1857
01:29:50,927 --> 01:29:53,846
The storefront might be gone,
but it's still gonna be here.
1858
01:29:55,473 --> 01:29:58,768
[Taylor] I'd be sad as
the selfish customer
that loves his guitars,
1859
01:29:58,851 --> 01:30:03,231
but for this to be
the turning point
for Norm to...
1860
01:30:03,314 --> 01:30:05,233
to pivot into his next chapter,
1861
01:30:05,316 --> 01:30:08,486
I'd be thrilled for him,
because then he'd be able
to look at this...
1862
01:30:08,569 --> 01:30:12,281
this thing that he built
as just an overwhelming
victory,
1863
01:30:12,365 --> 01:30:14,033
a stunning success.
1864
01:30:14,117 --> 01:30:16,369
Something that matters
to anyone that...
1865
01:30:16,452 --> 01:30:20,206
that gives a shit about guitars
frankly, across the world.
1866
01:30:20,289 --> 01:30:21,707
That sounds dramatic,
but it's true.
1867
01:30:23,084 --> 01:30:25,586
[Robbie] All those guitars
that are out in the world,
1868
01:30:25,670 --> 01:30:28,714
that come from Norm,
you know, they all got a story.
1869
01:30:28,798 --> 01:30:31,926
They all go back
to the source on this.
1870
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:35,096
And of course,
you know, we're...
1871
01:30:35,179 --> 01:30:38,224
we're all living in these times
and things change,
1872
01:30:38,307 --> 01:30:43,062
and we don't have much control
over a lot of these things.
1873
01:30:44,063 --> 01:30:47,358
But I think that so much,
1874
01:30:47,441 --> 01:30:50,570
it's been spread out there,
so much already,
1875
01:30:50,653 --> 01:30:55,449
what Norm has given
to the guitar world
and everything.
1876
01:30:55,992 --> 01:30:59,912
You know, it's been a...
a tremendous gift.
1877
01:30:59,996 --> 01:31:02,999
And so, I think that
lives on forever.
1878
01:31:07,378 --> 01:31:09,881
[Joe] And I'm lucky,
we're all lucky,
1879
01:31:10,631 --> 01:31:13,593
to have lived in the time
when there was a Norm Harris.
1880
01:31:13,676 --> 01:31:17,680
And to see it flourish and grow
and be what it is.
1881
01:31:17,763 --> 01:31:20,224
And he's accomplished
everything that I think
he set out to do
1882
01:31:20,308 --> 01:31:21,809
when he started off in Miami.
1883
01:31:21,893 --> 01:31:23,978
I think he's become
an icon, a legend,
1884
01:31:24,061 --> 01:31:27,398
and just on a personal note,
a friend, a family member,
1885
01:31:27,481 --> 01:31:31,569
and the kind of person,
regardless of what he did
for a living,
1886
01:31:31,652 --> 01:31:33,487
that you look up to
and respect,
1887
01:31:34,071 --> 01:31:37,783
and know that there's
still people out there
that operate that way.
1888
01:31:37,867 --> 01:31:41,871
I feel like this obligation
to take over the store,
1889
01:31:41,954 --> 01:31:44,165
and I can't get there.
1890
01:31:44,248 --> 01:31:48,211
Like, if it's not for you,
you can't make yourself
1891
01:31:49,045 --> 01:31:51,214
love something and be
passionate about something.
1892
01:31:51,297 --> 01:31:53,341
I mean, I love it
because it's my dad's,
1893
01:31:53,424 --> 01:31:55,676
but that's his love.
It's not mine.
1894
01:31:56,177 --> 01:32:00,723
And I want, you know,
my son or daughter...
1895
01:32:00,806 --> 01:32:03,017
[crying] ...I want them
to see the store.
1896
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:06,395
I want them to know what
their grandfather built.
1897
01:32:07,271 --> 01:32:08,773
I don't want to just tell them.
1898
01:32:09,732 --> 01:32:13,611
I want them to actually see it,
to understand,
1899
01:32:13,694 --> 01:32:16,197
because, sure,
it's just a guitar store,
1900
01:32:16,781 --> 01:32:18,199
but it's not just
a guitar store.
1901
01:32:19,283 --> 01:32:21,035
To me, it's so much more
than that.
1902
01:32:21,118 --> 01:32:23,371
And to so many people,
it's so much more than that.
1903
01:32:25,289 --> 01:32:26,999
So I hope they get to see that.
1904
01:32:31,629 --> 01:32:33,631
[mellow music plays]
1905
01:32:43,391 --> 01:32:45,309
[Norman] In my mind,
I'm still the young man
1906
01:32:45,393 --> 01:32:47,186
that started
Norm's Rare Guitars.
1907
01:32:47,270 --> 01:32:50,982
But when I look in the mirror,
I realize time has flown by,
1908
01:32:51,691 --> 01:32:53,734
and, you know,
I'm kind of old school,
1909
01:32:53,818 --> 01:32:58,823
and I always thought that
the thing to do is to just try
to provide,
1910
01:32:58,906 --> 01:33:01,033
you know, as well as I could
for my family.
1911
01:33:01,867 --> 01:33:03,119
But I do have regrets.
1912
01:33:03,202 --> 01:33:05,496
I kind of wish I would've
coached more ball games
1913
01:33:05,579 --> 01:33:08,541
and spent a little more time
with my kids and my wife.
1914
01:33:08,624 --> 01:33:13,421
But I thought the, you know,
my work was the main thing
1915
01:33:13,504 --> 01:33:15,089
that I was supposed to do.
1916
01:33:15,172 --> 01:33:19,427
Now looking back, I can see
that I wish I would've done
some other things.
1917
01:33:19,510 --> 01:33:22,638
Can't go back in time,
so I regret spending
1918
01:33:22,722 --> 01:33:25,599
not as much time with my family
as I probably should.
1919
01:33:25,683 --> 01:33:27,310
But I'm fortunate to be able
1920
01:33:27,393 --> 01:33:30,313
to have turned a hobby
into a business,
1921
01:33:31,022 --> 01:33:33,232
and I love what I do.
1922
01:33:33,316 --> 01:33:35,693
And, you know,
it's a small business,
1923
01:33:35,776 --> 01:33:39,196
and small businesses
have a lot of challenges,
1924
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:44,410
and this cancer thing has
really kind of brought that
to the forefront.
1925
01:33:45,036 --> 01:33:47,788
And, you know, when they first
talked about the cancer,
1926
01:33:47,872 --> 01:33:48,956
I thought this could be it.
1927
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:52,418
I thought the family
and the business,
that could be over.
1928
01:33:53,002 --> 01:33:58,090
But my kids got me
into social media
and the Internet,
1929
01:33:58,174 --> 01:34:00,176
and selling guitars
on the Internet.
1930
01:34:00,718 --> 01:34:02,136
And I'm very thankful
that they did,
1931
01:34:02,219 --> 01:34:05,014
because it's brought us
a worldwide audience,
1932
01:34:05,097 --> 01:34:07,850
and, you know, the store future
is up for grabs.
1933
01:34:07,933 --> 01:34:10,227
I mean, we still don't know
what's going on,
1934
01:34:10,311 --> 01:34:11,687
but we're doing
the best we can.
1935
01:34:12,730 --> 01:34:15,191
You know, when I'm gone,
I hope these guitars go on
1936
01:34:15,274 --> 01:34:17,985
to make beautiful music
with a lot of people.
1937
01:34:18,069 --> 01:34:21,405
And, you know, I hope
the business wasn't
for nothing.
1938
01:34:21,489 --> 01:34:26,744
And, you know,
neither of my kids
really are interested in,
1939
01:34:26,827 --> 01:34:28,662
you know,
making the business go on.
1940
01:34:28,746 --> 01:34:31,999
So, I'm gonna have to
find somebody that,
1941
01:34:32,625 --> 01:34:34,919
you know, loves the business
and will treat it like I did.
1942
01:34:35,711 --> 01:34:37,922
My dad gave me some good advice
when I was younger,
1943
01:34:38,005 --> 01:34:40,007
and he said,
"When you're in business,
1944
01:34:40,091 --> 01:34:41,592
"try to be
as truthful as you can.
1945
01:34:41,675 --> 01:34:43,969
"Tell people everything
you know about your product
1946
01:34:44,053 --> 01:34:46,263
"so you don't wake up
in the middle of the night
1947
01:34:46,347 --> 01:34:48,015
with people yelling at you."
1948
01:34:48,099 --> 01:34:51,435
And, you know, I think that was
a good piece of advice.
1949
01:34:51,519 --> 01:34:54,188
So, you know, I've met
so many great people,
1950
01:34:54,271 --> 01:34:56,440
you know, doing what I do
in the business,
1951
01:34:56,524 --> 01:34:59,110
and, you know,
it's just amazing.
1952
01:34:59,193 --> 01:35:01,612
And, you know, hopefully,
we treated everybody
1953
01:35:01,695 --> 01:35:04,532
from the people who were,
you know,
1954
01:35:04,615 --> 01:35:06,826
busboys in a restaurant
1955
01:35:06,909 --> 01:35:11,580
to presidents, and, you know,
congressmen
1956
01:35:11,664 --> 01:35:15,167
and movie stars
and big-time musicians,
1957
01:35:15,251 --> 01:35:17,628
I hope we treated them
all equally and right.
1958
01:35:17,711 --> 01:35:21,298
I'm humbled by all that
the store has done for us,
1959
01:35:21,382 --> 01:35:23,968
and I love the store
1960
01:35:24,051 --> 01:35:26,470
and I love
the worldwide audience
1961
01:35:26,554 --> 01:35:28,556
that we've gotten
since we've been able
1962
01:35:28,639 --> 01:35:31,559
to do all this Internet
and social media,
1963
01:35:31,642 --> 01:35:33,686
and it's all for the music.
1964
01:35:33,769 --> 01:35:38,732
So I hope that, you know,
when time goes by, people will,
1965
01:35:38,816 --> 01:35:40,484
you know,
continue to play these guitars
1966
01:35:40,568 --> 01:35:42,111
and make good music on them.
1967
01:35:42,194 --> 01:35:45,739
And I love the family
that we've made
through the Internet,
1968
01:35:45,823 --> 01:35:48,826
and I hope that it goes on.
1969
01:35:48,909 --> 01:35:49,910
Love you all.
1970
01:36:04,091 --> 01:36:05,676
What does the guitar
mean to me?
1971
01:36:05,759 --> 01:36:08,053
First word that comes
to mind is "freedom."
1972
01:36:08,137 --> 01:36:11,474
It's freedom.
It's escapism at its finest.
1973
01:36:11,557 --> 01:36:13,851
To me, I always say
it's six strings
in the universe.
1974
01:36:13,934 --> 01:36:17,480
Oh, the guitar is,
it's the most familiar thing
in my life.
1975
01:36:17,563 --> 01:36:19,648
I pretty much live
and breathe guitar,
1976
01:36:19,732 --> 01:36:23,486
and it's my main sort of
instrument for communicating.
1977
01:36:23,569 --> 01:36:26,989
I definitely communicate
better on the guitar
than I do verbally.
1978
01:36:27,072 --> 01:36:29,700
I'll be more
comfortable sitting
with a guitar in my lap,
1979
01:36:29,783 --> 01:36:32,244
watching TV and not play,
1980
01:36:32,328 --> 01:36:33,662
than I would be without it.
1981
01:36:33,746 --> 01:36:35,080
There's something
very comforting,
1982
01:36:35,164 --> 01:36:38,918
the way it fits on my body,
the way I've gotten used to
holding onto it.
1983
01:36:39,001 --> 01:36:42,254
The fact that it's there.
Oh, my gosh, if you have an
idea that falls from the sky,
1984
01:36:42,338 --> 01:36:46,592
it's been everything
from a best friend
to a life raft,
1985
01:36:46,675 --> 01:36:48,969
where it's just...
it's filled the time,
1986
01:36:49,053 --> 01:36:51,263
where otherwise, I certainly
know myself,
1987
01:36:51,347 --> 01:36:53,140
I could become destructive...
1988
01:36:53,224 --> 01:36:55,976
[chuckles]
...and the guitar has
saved me more than once.
1989
01:36:56,060 --> 01:37:00,231
The guitar is the biggest thing
in the world to me,
next to my family.
1990
01:37:00,314 --> 01:37:01,982
It's my favorite thing to do.
1991
01:37:02,066 --> 01:37:03,859
It is my favorite thing
to talk about.
1992
01:37:03,943 --> 01:37:05,277
It is my favorite thing
to look at.
1993
01:37:05,361 --> 01:37:07,071
It's my favorite thing
to listen to.
1994
01:37:07,154 --> 01:37:09,865
It's... it's completely
all encompassing
1995
01:37:09,949 --> 01:37:11,825
my whole entire life.
1996
01:37:11,909 --> 01:37:13,827
It's been an extension
of my personality.
1997
01:37:13,911 --> 01:37:17,039
It's sort of, it's enabled me
to travel all over the world.
1998
01:37:17,122 --> 01:37:19,750
It's enabled me
to make a living.
1999
01:37:19,833 --> 01:37:21,877
It's enabled me to...
2000
01:37:21,961 --> 01:37:25,714
to work in a venue where
I met my wife of 37 years,
2001
01:37:25,798 --> 01:37:28,175
and I will never get tired
2002
01:37:28,259 --> 01:37:31,095
of even looking at
the simple shape of a guitar,
2003
01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:35,349
or the finish or the colors
or the variations of them,
2004
01:37:35,975 --> 01:37:38,811
let alone the sound
and what you can get out of it.
2005
01:37:39,478 --> 01:37:41,063
The guitar means everything
to me.
2006
01:37:41,146 --> 01:37:44,483
It's, uh... It's the nucleus
2007
01:37:46,026 --> 01:37:49,280
of the art that I make,
the music that I make,
you know?
2008
01:37:49,363 --> 01:37:51,865
It was the power...
2009
01:37:54,618 --> 01:37:55,869
within the music.
2010
01:37:55,953 --> 01:37:58,914
As, Santana says,
"It's a weapon of peace,"
you know.
2011
01:37:58,998 --> 01:38:00,332
It's a part of me.
2012
01:38:00,416 --> 01:38:05,296
It's just a...
a part of my...
my DNA, and it's me.
2013
01:38:06,130 --> 01:38:08,007
It's my world, and it's...
2014
01:38:08,090 --> 01:38:09,633
there's no one that
can touch it.
2015
01:38:09,717 --> 01:38:12,928
It's just my life.
It's just my everything.
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