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They're coming up to Stanfield Road 13 00:00:51,442 --> 00:00:52,574 in about one or two. 14 00:00:53,227 --> 00:00:54,750 "Dear Mrs. Twiggs, 15 00:00:54,924 --> 00:00:57,144 as required by Marine Corps regulations, 16 00:00:57,318 --> 00:01:00,103 a line-of-duty investigation pertaining to the death of your husband, 17 00:01:00,277 --> 00:01:02,845 Staff Sergeant Travis N. Twiggs has been completed." 18 00:01:03,019 --> 00:01:04,934 We're still east bound... 19 00:01:05,108 --> 00:01:06,805 "Per your request, I'm providing a copy 20 00:01:06,979 --> 00:01:09,156 of this investigation, along with my determination. 21 00:01:09,982 --> 00:01:12,072 If I may be of further assistance at any time 22 00:01:12,246 --> 00:01:14,422 or if there is anything I or the command can offer 23 00:01:14,596 --> 00:01:16,598 in the way of support or services, 24 00:01:16,772 --> 00:01:18,904 please do not hesitate to contact me. 25 00:01:19,992 --> 00:01:22,299 Sincerely, T. M. Murray, 26 00:01:22,473 --> 00:01:25,389 Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory, Quantico, Virginia." 27 00:01:40,709 --> 00:01:42,972 "Supplementary case incident record, 28 00:01:43,146 --> 00:01:45,061 Grand Canyon National Park. 29 00:01:45,235 --> 00:01:48,717 At approximately 15:30, 12 May, 2008, 30 00:01:48,891 --> 00:01:51,981 the Grand Canyon National Parks Emergency Dispatch Center 31 00:01:52,155 --> 00:01:54,244 receive reports of a vehicle accident 32 00:01:54,418 --> 00:01:57,117 near Twin Overlooks on East Rim Drive. 33 00:01:57,291 --> 00:01:59,858 There were two men in the car trying to get out. 34 00:02:00,032 --> 00:02:03,601 Other men on the scene attempted to help the men get their car off of the curb. 35 00:02:04,733 --> 00:02:07,301 The witnesses expressed that the men behaved very oddly 36 00:02:07,475 --> 00:02:09,129 because they didn't want any help, 37 00:02:09,303 --> 00:02:11,914 and they speculated that the men were in shock. 38 00:02:12,088 --> 00:02:14,612 They said that the two men got their backpacks out of the car 39 00:02:14,786 --> 00:02:16,397 and started putting them on. 40 00:02:16,571 --> 00:02:18,094 The witnesses assumed this must have meant 41 00:02:18,268 --> 00:02:19,965 they were hiking into the canyon, 42 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:23,055 as the backpack they saw was large, with a back brace." 43 00:02:31,368 --> 00:02:32,848 When you watch all these movies, 44 00:02:33,022 --> 00:02:36,025 like these movies with knights and battles and wars, 45 00:02:36,199 --> 00:02:37,853 Travis was that guy, 46 00:02:38,027 --> 00:02:40,812 like that star character who was just the badass 47 00:02:40,986 --> 00:02:44,512 who was gonna go in, kick everybody's ass, take no names. 48 00:02:44,686 --> 00:02:47,819 That was him. If he said they we're going... 49 00:02:47,993 --> 00:02:50,909 "We're going to hell, we're all going to die, but we're going to put up a fight," 50 00:02:51,083 --> 00:02:54,174 you'd be like, "All right, let's go. I'm right behind you." 51 00:02:54,348 --> 00:02:56,915 You know? "I'm right-- Wherever you go, I'm following. 52 00:02:57,089 --> 00:03:00,223 If you say we're going, I'm there. I don't care if I'm coming back or not." 53 00:03:01,833 --> 00:03:04,009 He was a Marine's marine. 54 00:03:04,575 --> 00:03:07,665 If you just looked at the way he carried himself, how he acted, 55 00:03:07,839 --> 00:03:09,841 how he presented himself to other people, 56 00:03:10,494 --> 00:03:13,628 you picture that's what a marine is like. 57 00:03:13,802 --> 00:03:15,456 A true, uh, a true grunt. 58 00:03:15,630 --> 00:03:17,197 You know what a, what a grunt is. 59 00:03:17,371 --> 00:03:19,199 So not just a marine, but a grunt. 60 00:03:22,419 --> 00:03:24,813 Staff Sergeant Twiggs, his call sign was "War Pig," 61 00:03:24,987 --> 00:03:27,772 War Pig Twiggs, and when you're talking, 62 00:03:27,946 --> 00:03:30,732 telling stories about Staff Sergeant Twiggs, the other marines were like, 63 00:03:30,906 --> 00:03:33,125 "The War Pig did this, the War Pig did that." 64 00:03:33,735 --> 00:03:35,606 He had tattoos on his arms, 65 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:39,044 and it was like his arms were scraped away and he was bleeding. 66 00:03:39,219 --> 00:03:41,395 And inside was cammies. 67 00:03:41,569 --> 00:03:44,572 But that really, that was the guy. Like, he played green. 68 00:03:44,746 --> 00:03:47,575 You know, hard cussing, shit talking. 69 00:03:47,749 --> 00:03:49,185 Just straight-up marine, 70 00:03:49,359 --> 00:03:51,187 The first time that I met Travis, 71 00:03:51,361 --> 00:03:55,844 there was this old crusty-looking, gnarly, just sergeant 72 00:03:56,018 --> 00:03:57,541 sitting across the table from me, 73 00:03:57,715 --> 00:03:59,804 and he had this raspy voice, 74 00:03:59,978 --> 00:04:04,113 like he had chronic laryngitis almost. 75 00:04:04,287 --> 00:04:07,029 I wish you knew how he talked. I wish I could do an impersonation of him. 76 00:04:07,203 --> 00:04:09,640 I don't-- I can't. There's no impersonating that voice. 77 00:04:09,814 --> 00:04:13,557 You know... Guy that he always was. I mean, that's how he was. 78 00:04:13,731 --> 00:04:15,037 hey was just like, "Hey, what are you doing?" 79 00:04:15,211 --> 00:04:17,779 But it was fun. 80 00:04:17,953 --> 00:04:19,302 Hey, Sergeant Twiggs! 81 00:04:19,476 --> 00:04:21,565 What you drinking? 82 00:04:21,739 --> 00:04:23,654 Right here! Right here! 83 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:27,049 - Hey, have a Coke and smile. - Right here! 84 00:04:27,223 --> 00:04:29,530 Listen here, Bobby. It's not the time 85 00:04:29,704 --> 00:04:31,880 to be asking me those kind of questions. 86 00:04:32,054 --> 00:04:34,839 There's all kinds of people here. You know what I'm saying? 87 00:04:35,884 --> 00:04:37,146 - Roger. - I've got to go shit now 88 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:38,974 and I'll be back in about 20 minutes. 89 00:04:39,844 --> 00:04:42,151 ♪ Chase her in paradise ♪ 90 00:04:42,325 --> 00:04:44,762 ♪ Paradise! ♪ 91 00:04:47,939 --> 00:04:51,334 Travis had... an addictive personality. 92 00:04:51,508 --> 00:04:54,076 His addiction was the Marine Corps. 93 00:04:54,250 --> 00:04:57,297 Travis seemed to be one of those guys who brought his marines home with him. 94 00:04:57,471 --> 00:05:01,257 It never... He never left the Marine Corps behind. 95 00:05:01,431 --> 00:05:02,824 He'd let some of them stay at the house. 96 00:05:02,998 --> 00:05:04,260 They'd be at the house on the weekends. 97 00:05:04,434 --> 00:05:06,306 They'd come and have dinner with him. 98 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,657 It was just... those marines were his kids, 99 00:05:09,831 --> 00:05:12,790 and he took care of them just like they were part of his family. 100 00:05:13,878 --> 00:05:16,098 Come on in. Come on in. 101 00:05:17,708 --> 00:05:18,796 Who is this? 102 00:05:19,275 --> 00:05:20,407 That's Lisbon. 103 00:05:20,581 --> 00:05:22,147 - Hi, Lisbon! - Hey... 104 00:05:22,322 --> 00:05:24,106 - Call him The Wizard. - The Wizard. 105 00:05:24,280 --> 00:05:26,064 Merry Christmas, man. 106 00:05:26,543 --> 00:05:29,067 This is everyone chowing down. 107 00:05:31,069 --> 00:05:36,118 The guys loved just coming over into the chaos of our house. 108 00:05:36,292 --> 00:05:38,729 We didn't have America yet, we had Ireland. 109 00:05:38,903 --> 00:05:42,037 But all of them were considered uncles to Ireland. 110 00:05:42,211 --> 00:05:44,605 Me and Travis were kind of like, um, 111 00:05:44,779 --> 00:05:47,738 the psychiatrists of the... 112 00:05:47,912 --> 00:05:50,741 ...of the group, because they would come and tell us, you know, 113 00:05:50,915 --> 00:05:55,485 good things, bad things, things they worried about. Just their life, you know? 114 00:05:55,659 --> 00:05:59,359 And it was really nice that they trusted us and believed in us enough 115 00:05:59,533 --> 00:06:01,448 that they could tell stuff like that. 116 00:06:01,622 --> 00:06:04,102 And it was o-- you know, it was okay. 117 00:06:04,276 --> 00:06:08,846 Any problem you ever had, you could go talk to him. You know? 118 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:10,979 He said, "You know, it doesn't matter what time of day it is, 119 00:06:11,153 --> 00:06:13,198 you knock on my door, you call me, I'll answer it. 120 00:06:13,373 --> 00:06:15,418 I'll come see you, you can come over. 121 00:06:15,592 --> 00:06:17,289 Whatever you got to do and we'll talk." 122 00:06:17,464 --> 00:06:19,988 Aloha! 123 00:06:20,162 --> 00:06:22,469 He was definitely a different kind of staff sergeant. 124 00:06:22,643 --> 00:06:26,037 He, um... He was not afraid to be your friend. 125 00:06:26,211 --> 00:06:28,213 He was all about having everybody together. 126 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:30,564 He liked to get, he liked to get the platoon together. 127 00:06:30,738 --> 00:06:32,827 You know, always, there's, you know... 128 00:06:33,001 --> 00:06:35,525 The staff sergeant had a friend here. "This is sergeant or corporal." 129 00:06:35,699 --> 00:06:38,006 But chances are, they've known each other for a while. 130 00:06:38,572 --> 00:06:41,401 You know, Staff Sergeant Twiggs, he was close with everybody. 131 00:06:43,533 --> 00:06:45,709 He did four tours in Iraq. 132 00:06:45,883 --> 00:06:51,411 I think the second one, he was part of the protection of the US Embassy. 133 00:06:51,585 --> 00:06:57,112 His next tour, he was stationed in Anbar province, near Fallujah, 134 00:06:57,286 --> 00:06:59,027 in this town of Saqlawiyah. 135 00:07:02,073 --> 00:07:06,251 His unit was based in an old Ba'ath Party hotel, 136 00:07:06,426 --> 00:07:09,080 long abandoned, no running water, 137 00:07:09,254 --> 00:07:11,387 so they were really camping out. 138 00:07:11,561 --> 00:07:13,476 It was rough. I mean, it was a shit hole place. 139 00:07:13,650 --> 00:07:15,826 It had sand-- sandbags 140 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,742 and the HESCO barriers was what we had for barriers 141 00:07:18,916 --> 00:07:21,397 and some makeshift towers that we stood guard in. 142 00:07:21,963 --> 00:07:26,010 Um, there was a, a little dirt road. It was just... It wasn't much. 143 00:07:26,620 --> 00:07:31,886 The town was little. There were some shady people in that town, that's for sure. 144 00:07:32,060 --> 00:07:36,107 Encountered a lot of IEDs, a lot of, uh, mortar impacts. 145 00:07:36,586 --> 00:07:38,588 Uh, I remember right when we got there, 146 00:07:38,762 --> 00:07:42,157 right when my, uh, my platoon got there, we took incoming. 147 00:07:42,679 --> 00:07:44,638 But, uh, from then on, it was-- that's how 148 00:07:44,812 --> 00:07:46,770 that pretty much set the pace for the deployment. 149 00:07:51,209 --> 00:07:54,909 One key part of the arrangements, 150 00:07:55,083 --> 00:08:00,088 as it turned out, was they set up out houses in a courtyard outside 151 00:08:00,262 --> 00:08:05,267 rather than, you know, back in the bowels, so to speak, of this building. 152 00:08:06,181 --> 00:08:09,706 Travis apparently thought this was not a good idea. It was not safe. 153 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,970 They were taking regular, um, rocket and mortar fire. 154 00:08:13,144 --> 00:08:15,407 And Travis had begged his unit commanders 155 00:08:15,582 --> 00:08:18,933 to put the porta-johns inside the solid structure that they were staying in. 156 00:08:19,107 --> 00:08:21,544 He goes, "I don't give a fuck what it smells like! 157 00:08:21,718 --> 00:08:25,113 Who cares about the smell? It's a hardened, protected area, 158 00:08:25,287 --> 00:08:28,203 where these, you know, marines can use the facilities 159 00:08:28,377 --> 00:08:30,422 and not have to worry about being attacked. 160 00:08:31,511 --> 00:08:33,817 I'm the bad guy looking at a compound, a hardened compound, 161 00:08:33,991 --> 00:08:36,472 and then there's this strange target out in the middle of nowhere, 162 00:08:36,646 --> 00:08:39,431 and I see people going in and out of it all day long, I'm gonna target it. 163 00:08:39,606 --> 00:08:42,565 That's the first thing I would attack." And they did. 164 00:09:06,110 --> 00:09:08,896 Those were, you know, the first two marines in our company, 165 00:09:09,070 --> 00:09:11,202 We'd had other members in the battalion who had gotten killed, 166 00:09:11,376 --> 00:09:13,422 but those were the first two in our company that, 167 00:09:13,596 --> 00:09:16,381 you know, that you see on a day-to-day basis, 168 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:20,516 and, you know, and they're gone. It's just really... real. 169 00:09:21,386 --> 00:09:22,910 Twiggs seemed like the guy that still 170 00:09:23,084 --> 00:09:26,043 held it together really well, you know. 171 00:09:26,217 --> 00:09:28,829 And that's his job. That's his job as the platoon sergeant. 172 00:09:29,003 --> 00:09:30,570 I remember talking to him about it, 173 00:09:30,744 --> 00:09:31,875 and I think I asked, "You know, what do we do now?" 174 00:09:32,049 --> 00:09:33,529 and, uh... and he said, you know, 175 00:09:33,703 --> 00:09:35,662 "The mission still goes on." 176 00:09:35,836 --> 00:09:38,360 He, uh, was just like everybody else. 177 00:09:38,534 --> 00:09:42,277 There's no time to stop and wonder and worry 178 00:09:42,451 --> 00:09:44,584 and be upset and even cope with it. 179 00:09:44,758 --> 00:09:46,977 You push that shit way down deep, 180 00:09:47,151 --> 00:09:48,631 and forget about it. 181 00:09:49,806 --> 00:09:53,854 We talked in depth on, on the phone, and he was angry. 182 00:09:55,638 --> 00:09:57,858 I mean, like, really, really, really angry. 183 00:09:58,032 --> 00:10:00,512 I mean, now he's up in rank, now he's got some seniority. 184 00:10:00,687 --> 00:10:03,298 Why didn't they move those fucking porta-johns? 185 00:10:03,472 --> 00:10:05,300 So at the end of the day, he took that home with him, 186 00:10:05,474 --> 00:10:07,128 and he holds himself responsible. 187 00:10:08,346 --> 00:10:10,000 He didn't drop the mortar on them, but he-- 188 00:10:10,174 --> 00:10:11,959 in his own mind, he might as well have. 189 00:10:17,878 --> 00:10:20,097 What do you say to someone's family 190 00:10:20,271 --> 00:10:22,317 when you don't bring their kids home, their husbands home? 191 00:10:22,491 --> 00:10:25,102 I mean, what do you say to them? I mean, I don't have to deal with that. 192 00:10:25,276 --> 00:10:28,540 It wasn't like they're looking at me saying, "How could you let this happen to my son?" 193 00:10:28,715 --> 00:10:31,326 They're looking at me and saying, "I'm sorry you lost your friend." 194 00:10:31,500 --> 00:10:33,502 When they look at the commander, they're thinking, 195 00:10:33,676 --> 00:10:36,940 "How did this happen to my son?" You know, "You're responsible for it." 196 00:10:37,941 --> 00:10:41,641 And he was in charge. You know, he had to bear that responsibility. 197 00:10:41,815 --> 00:10:44,339 And that... that can't be easy. 198 00:10:44,513 --> 00:10:47,255 So I think he just put a lot on himself. 199 00:10:47,734 --> 00:10:48,735 Um... 200 00:10:49,692 --> 00:10:50,998 And, and that was one of the big problems 201 00:10:51,172 --> 00:10:52,477 that he faced when he got back. 202 00:10:52,652 --> 00:10:54,741 But, yeah, he just felt... 203 00:10:54,915 --> 00:10:57,918 ...like a level of responsibility, 204 00:10:58,092 --> 00:10:59,833 um, to bring these guys back home, and... 205 00:11:00,007 --> 00:11:02,618 Yeah, I'm, I'm sure, in a way, we all felt like sons to him, 206 00:11:02,792 --> 00:11:04,402 like how we all felt like brothers. 207 00:11:10,321 --> 00:11:12,410 "Supplementary case incident record, 208 00:11:12,584 --> 00:11:14,238 Grand Canyon National Park. 209 00:11:14,978 --> 00:11:17,067 The subjects were never found at the scene. 210 00:11:17,241 --> 00:11:19,504 There were several empty Budweiser beer cans in the vehicle, 211 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,159 as well as an empty bottle of Jagermeister liquor. 212 00:11:23,421 --> 00:11:26,120 There was an apparent impact of the passenger side of the windshield, 213 00:11:26,294 --> 00:11:29,079 indicating that the passenger had hit the windshield with his head, 214 00:11:29,253 --> 00:11:32,387 when the vehicle impacted either the cement barrier or the tree. 215 00:11:33,605 --> 00:11:35,607 The vehicle's license plate was run through dispatch, 216 00:11:35,782 --> 00:11:38,045 and came back as belonging to Travis Twiggs. 217 00:11:39,568 --> 00:11:41,831 After further investigation, it was determined that 218 00:11:42,005 --> 00:11:44,094 the probable driver is Travis Twiggs, 219 00:11:44,616 --> 00:11:46,314 and the passenger was his brother, 220 00:11:46,923 --> 00:11:47,968 Willard Twiggs." 221 00:11:52,233 --> 00:11:54,278 "Everyone has their own beautiful melody 222 00:11:54,452 --> 00:11:57,281 that is played throughout and down the road of life. 223 00:11:58,326 --> 00:12:01,459 At one interval, the melody is temporarily replaced 224 00:12:01,633 --> 00:12:03,853 by a new and equally pleasing melody, 225 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:08,815 then blended with the former before being dropped. 226 00:12:09,946 --> 00:12:11,252 Then the way is lost, 227 00:12:11,992 --> 00:12:14,385 and the search for a wondrous new melody begins 228 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,345 with all of the passion that it truly deserves." 229 00:12:19,173 --> 00:12:21,479 Will Twiggs, March, 2008. 230 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:35,015 Will lived in an apartment on David Drive in Metairie, Louisiana, 231 00:12:35,189 --> 00:12:38,018 which is Jefferson Parish, just outside of New Orleans, 232 00:12:38,192 --> 00:12:41,064 with the suburb of The Big Easy. 233 00:12:41,630 --> 00:12:43,806 William, he liked to stay close. 234 00:12:43,980 --> 00:12:47,810 He didn't have to go to New Orleans or to the city or to an expensive club, 235 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:50,030 you know, he didn't require that. 236 00:12:50,204 --> 00:12:52,554 We talked about our past, and he was 237 00:12:52,728 --> 00:12:54,686 one of fairly intelligent kids in school, 238 00:12:54,861 --> 00:12:56,993 and, you know, he was a, a spelling bee champ. 239 00:12:57,167 --> 00:13:00,823 You know, he told me about that. He told me about playing the, the French horn. 240 00:13:00,997 --> 00:13:03,870 He wrote poetry, he wrote, uh, feelings down. 241 00:13:04,044 --> 00:13:06,350 Nothing while we were together. I-- You know, he didn't, 242 00:13:06,524 --> 00:13:10,093 he didn't say, "Listen, let me, you know, drop this on you," no. 243 00:13:10,267 --> 00:13:12,617 But I do know he loved music and he would quote a lot of things, 244 00:13:12,792 --> 00:13:14,794 and he, and he had a history of that. 245 00:13:14,968 --> 00:13:19,015 He was very funny, he did love, uh, to laugh and joke and cut up. 246 00:13:19,189 --> 00:13:20,451 He enjoyed that a lot. 247 00:13:21,322 --> 00:13:22,714 He had a series of jobs, 248 00:13:22,889 --> 00:13:25,717 including in marine logistics, like his father, 249 00:13:25,892 --> 00:13:27,545 in, in the port of New Orleans. 250 00:13:27,719 --> 00:13:29,634 He worked for a big German company 251 00:13:29,809 --> 00:13:35,031 that offered to send him to Hamburg for advanced training. 252 00:13:35,205 --> 00:13:39,296 His father, Douglas, seemed to think he had a real future in that industry, 253 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:40,907 but he declined to go to Germany. 254 00:13:41,081 --> 00:13:43,823 He was happier staying home in New Orleans, 255 00:13:43,997 --> 00:13:46,173 as his father joked, "Both of his friends are here." 256 00:13:48,349 --> 00:13:51,004 And then, around the time of Hurricane Katrina, 257 00:13:51,178 --> 00:13:54,529 he started working in construction and more sporadically. 258 00:13:54,703 --> 00:13:58,359 I mean, I think his career was really sort of off track. 259 00:13:58,533 --> 00:14:02,145 But really, I think he was quite a sort of popular, charming guy, 260 00:14:02,319 --> 00:14:04,931 like, like Travis, although in a somewhat different way. 261 00:14:09,544 --> 00:14:12,416 Do I get to hug and kiss the camera again? Something new. 262 00:14:12,590 --> 00:14:14,027 Oh, my God! 263 00:14:14,723 --> 00:14:16,725 - Thank you... - You better kiss your uncle. 264 00:14:16,899 --> 00:14:20,250 I met Will. It was right after Katrina. 265 00:14:20,424 --> 00:14:23,514 We were in construction, we was doing sheetrock, 266 00:14:23,688 --> 00:14:27,867 uh, floors, carpentry... We were doing everything. 267 00:14:28,041 --> 00:14:31,131 You know, whatever there was to make a buck, we did it. 268 00:14:34,482 --> 00:14:36,963 We hung out every day after work. 269 00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:39,313 You know, every day. And, uh... 270 00:14:40,488 --> 00:14:42,620 we just became real close friends. 271 00:14:43,491 --> 00:14:46,407 He was just a person that can just capture your attention, 272 00:14:46,581 --> 00:14:48,844 get in a conversation with you about anything. 273 00:14:49,018 --> 00:14:52,935 Very intelligent guy, very intelligent person. Really nice personality. 274 00:14:53,109 --> 00:14:55,372 Will, Will was a really good guy, you know. 275 00:14:55,546 --> 00:14:58,636 We, we did everything. We did everything together. 276 00:14:59,333 --> 00:15:01,378 It's, it's hard to describe Will. 277 00:15:01,552 --> 00:15:04,251 He, he was almost like two different people. 278 00:15:04,425 --> 00:15:06,340 He had a lot of charm about him. 279 00:15:06,514 --> 00:15:08,908 He was a very easy-to-talk-to guy, 280 00:15:09,082 --> 00:15:11,345 very easy to get to know. 281 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,434 He would bend over backwards for anyone 282 00:15:13,608 --> 00:15:16,916 that was ever, like, upset, not feeling themselves 283 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:20,571 Will would be there straight away like, "What's wrong?" 284 00:15:20,745 --> 00:15:23,618 But that didn't last long with me. 285 00:15:23,792 --> 00:15:26,142 I, I could sort of see through that 286 00:15:26,316 --> 00:15:29,798 and began to see a different side of Will. 287 00:15:29,972 --> 00:15:31,756 There was the drinking side 288 00:15:32,366 --> 00:15:34,324 and then there was the sober side, 289 00:15:34,498 --> 00:15:36,457 and they were chalk and cheese. 290 00:15:36,631 --> 00:15:38,807 They, they were completely different. 291 00:15:38,981 --> 00:15:41,157 Oh, you know, he was outgoing when he was drunk, 292 00:15:41,331 --> 00:15:45,683 and when he was sober, he was quiet, kept himself to himself, 293 00:15:45,857 --> 00:15:49,122 almost like he couldn't converse with somebody 294 00:15:49,296 --> 00:15:50,732 unless he'd had a drink. 295 00:15:54,257 --> 00:15:56,694 "Looking to recapture my quiet inner strength, 296 00:15:57,652 --> 00:16:02,091 my writing, my ambient world, my solo fortitude and safe haven. 297 00:16:03,788 --> 00:16:06,139 It's near, and I'm anxious for it to sweep me over. 298 00:16:07,792 --> 00:16:10,056 The flame rises, but it soon descends. 299 00:16:10,230 --> 00:16:12,362 Empty pages and a frozen pen. 300 00:16:13,189 --> 00:16:15,278 You're not lovers and you're not quite friends." 301 00:16:18,412 --> 00:16:21,284 Will was, was on the, on a drifter side of life. He, he had, 302 00:16:21,458 --> 00:16:24,374 he had lost his way and was, was pretty content... 303 00:16:26,289 --> 00:16:28,117 ...just being under the radar, you know? 304 00:16:28,291 --> 00:16:30,206 He, he didn't even have, like, a driver's license when I met him, 305 00:16:30,380 --> 00:16:31,947 he didn't have a cell phone. 306 00:16:32,513 --> 00:16:35,603 You know, he, uh, he went to get his taxes done, 307 00:16:35,777 --> 00:16:39,433 and he needed to get an ID to, to show to get his tax-- 308 00:16:39,607 --> 00:16:41,130 You know, he needed, uh, proof of ID. 309 00:16:41,304 --> 00:16:43,915 He hadn't even filed taxes for several years. 310 00:16:44,090 --> 00:16:45,830 You know, he was under the radar. 311 00:16:46,005 --> 00:16:48,268 You know, he didn't go and spend money on clothes 312 00:16:48,442 --> 00:16:50,096 or, or appliances. 313 00:16:50,270 --> 00:16:53,490 You know, it was Marlboro, Budweiser and weed, man. 314 00:16:53,664 --> 00:16:55,536 It was a real simple life. 315 00:17:05,937 --> 00:17:08,201 This is the what? 316 00:17:08,375 --> 00:17:11,465 Thunder Valley. 317 00:17:11,639 --> 00:17:14,076 Oh, good and I get approved on how bad you drive. 318 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:17,862 We are 1400 feet above sea level. 319 00:17:18,037 --> 00:17:20,430 - How far? - 1,400 feet. 320 00:17:22,084 --> 00:17:25,261 Look at that. Look at that. 321 00:17:25,435 --> 00:17:27,698 Right there. 322 00:17:27,872 --> 00:17:29,483 Shortcut, parking and camping. 323 00:17:30,614 --> 00:17:32,529 We moved up here to Quantico. 324 00:17:32,703 --> 00:17:35,010 He was working at the Warfighting Lab, 325 00:17:35,184 --> 00:17:38,535 which was pretty much an office job, sitting behind a desk. 326 00:17:38,709 --> 00:17:42,409 And if you know Travis, sitting... behind a desk 327 00:17:42,583 --> 00:17:44,411 was not his cup of tea. 328 00:17:44,585 --> 00:17:46,848 You know, he did not enjoy that. 329 00:17:47,022 --> 00:17:48,893 But he did it for me and the girls 330 00:17:49,068 --> 00:17:52,201 so he could be home with us and not be deployed so much. 331 00:17:52,375 --> 00:17:55,378 It's a crazy pool right now. 332 00:17:55,552 --> 00:17:58,338 - It's a what? - It's a crazy pool 333 00:17:58,512 --> 00:17:59,991 It's a crazy pool? 334 00:18:00,601 --> 00:18:03,038 - Yeah! - Hello. 335 00:18:03,212 --> 00:18:05,562 - Hi. - I don't know you. My name's Travis. 336 00:18:05,736 --> 00:18:08,217 - Hi. Sarah. Nice to meet you. - It's nice to meet you. I have you on camera. 337 00:18:08,391 --> 00:18:09,697 Kellee's husband. 338 00:18:11,351 --> 00:18:13,657 I escaped from a loony bin this morning. 339 00:18:13,831 --> 00:18:17,139 Huh? 340 00:18:17,313 --> 00:18:21,056 That's when I started noticing somewhat of a change 341 00:18:21,230 --> 00:18:23,711 from being so sociable and outgoing 342 00:18:23,885 --> 00:18:27,236 to just wanting to kind of be with me and the kids. 343 00:18:27,410 --> 00:18:30,631 Very snappy, mood swings like a light switch. 344 00:18:30,805 --> 00:18:36,202 We had a screened in back porch and he would just sit back there and isolate himself, 345 00:18:36,376 --> 00:18:40,554 and not really want to even be around anybody, you know? 346 00:18:40,728 --> 00:18:43,557 And it was very hard. It was very hard. 347 00:18:43,731 --> 00:18:46,342 I loved Travis when I first met him. I still love Travis. 348 00:18:46,516 --> 00:18:49,215 Uh, still think the wor-- uh, the world of the guy. 349 00:18:49,389 --> 00:18:51,869 Uh, he, uh, he was really squared away. 350 00:18:52,043 --> 00:18:53,784 You know, everyone I talked to who knew him 351 00:18:53,958 --> 00:18:57,048 said he was the best marine they ever served with. 352 00:18:57,223 --> 00:19:01,183 He actually was a mentor to a guy I served with, uh, in my first infantry battalion. 353 00:19:01,357 --> 00:19:03,925 You know, it's a small Marine Corps kind of a coincidence. 354 00:19:04,099 --> 00:19:08,408 But, uh, he always had, uh, raving reviews from everyone he worked with. 355 00:19:08,582 --> 00:19:12,107 And, uh for those first six months, I thought he walked on water. 356 00:19:18,679 --> 00:19:21,247 Him and I were on a business trip together. 357 00:19:21,421 --> 00:19:23,292 We were sitting there eating dinner, 358 00:19:23,466 --> 00:19:25,468 and we were talking with these guys we were on the trip with. 359 00:19:25,642 --> 00:19:28,471 They were civilians. And, uh, these guys were talking about Iraq 360 00:19:28,645 --> 00:19:30,821 and, uh, how well the troops are doing over there. 361 00:19:30,995 --> 00:19:34,869 And Travis got real quiet. You know, Travis is a very, uh, outgoing guy. 362 00:19:35,043 --> 00:19:37,350 It was, uh, kind of weird for him to get, uh, that quiet. 363 00:19:37,524 --> 00:19:39,613 I could notice his mood was changing. 364 00:19:39,787 --> 00:19:41,658 And I looked at him, I'm like, "Hey, Staff Sarge, 365 00:19:41,832 --> 00:19:43,660 what's going on with you? What's, uh, what's wrong?" 366 00:19:43,834 --> 00:19:45,880 He's like, "Sir, these guys don't fucking get it." 367 00:19:46,054 --> 00:19:47,708 I'm like, "They don't fucking get what, Travis?" 368 00:19:47,882 --> 00:19:49,579 I said, "Why don't we, why don't we step outside? 369 00:19:49,753 --> 00:19:51,755 Why don't we, uh, we figure out what's going with you?" 370 00:19:51,929 --> 00:19:54,149 And we stepped outside and, uh, he just kept telling me, 371 00:19:54,323 --> 00:19:57,152 "These guys don't fucking get it. These guys don't fucking get it." 372 00:19:57,326 --> 00:20:00,242 I said, "Hey, uh, do you think we need to go back, uh, to the hotel now?" 373 00:20:00,416 --> 00:20:02,679 He was like, "Sir, whatever you want to do, I'm with you." 374 00:20:02,853 --> 00:20:04,464 I said, "All right, we're gonna go back to the hotel 375 00:20:04,638 --> 00:20:06,988 and, uh, you can hit the rack, uh..." 376 00:20:07,162 --> 00:20:10,252 And the next morning, he came to me, he was, uh, chipper as always, 377 00:20:10,426 --> 00:20:12,385 said, "Hey, sir, you know, I'm sorry about last night. 378 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:14,778 You know, I just get like that sometimes." 379 00:20:14,952 --> 00:20:18,782 And that's the first time I really noticed, uh, any kind of mood swings, 380 00:20:18,956 --> 00:20:21,829 uh, anything that could have been attributed to PTSD. 381 00:20:26,399 --> 00:20:30,316 He went to Jersey to take some equipment up there. 382 00:20:31,055 --> 00:20:34,015 Two days went by, and I didn't hear from him, 383 00:20:34,189 --> 00:20:36,060 and I'm calling him, I'm calling him. 384 00:20:36,235 --> 00:20:39,150 And then finally he calls me back, and I'm like, "Where are you?" 385 00:20:39,325 --> 00:20:42,241 And he says, "I'm sitting in a McDonald's parking lot." 386 00:20:42,415 --> 00:20:45,374 And I'm like, "A, a what?" 387 00:20:45,548 --> 00:20:47,898 And he's like, "I'm sitting in a McDonald's parking lot." 388 00:20:49,073 --> 00:20:52,076 I'm, "Why?" "Because I can't go." 389 00:20:53,339 --> 00:20:54,818 "Why can't you go?" 390 00:20:55,384 --> 00:20:57,473 "Because I just don't want to anymore." 391 00:20:57,647 --> 00:20:59,301 And then he just hangs up the phone. 392 00:20:59,475 --> 00:21:01,434 And then I start calling frantically. 393 00:21:01,608 --> 00:21:03,784 I'm like, "Where-- Are you okay? What are you doing?" 394 00:21:03,958 --> 00:21:05,916 And he's like, "Just driving." 395 00:21:07,222 --> 00:21:09,268 I'm like, "Where are you driving?" 396 00:21:10,138 --> 00:21:11,139 "Just driving." 397 00:21:12,183 --> 00:21:13,315 "Where are you going?" 398 00:21:14,708 --> 00:21:17,101 "I don't know. I'm just driving." 399 00:21:17,276 --> 00:21:20,191 I'm like, "Baby, don't you need to bring that stuff to them? 400 00:21:20,844 --> 00:21:22,803 And, you know, I mean, this is your job. 401 00:21:22,977 --> 00:21:24,326 Don't you need to...? 402 00:21:26,023 --> 00:21:29,157 Just bring it to him. Call the command and say that you have to leave." 403 00:21:29,331 --> 00:21:31,420 "Okay, I will. I'm going to call him right now." 404 00:21:40,908 --> 00:21:42,997 I got closer to Travis than I did, uh, 405 00:21:43,171 --> 00:21:46,087 um, almost any other enlisted marines I served with. 406 00:21:46,566 --> 00:21:50,221 Seeing, uh, what he was going through, seeing him repeatedly fuck up, 407 00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:53,094 it, it was kind of hard, uh, sometimes to be like, 408 00:21:53,268 --> 00:21:56,880 you know, "This is my friend, this is my brother marine." 409 00:21:57,054 --> 00:21:59,666 You know, he-- And I, and I want him to succeed, 410 00:22:00,536 --> 00:22:03,496 But, uh, at the same time, I got to, you know, 411 00:22:03,670 --> 00:22:05,846 tell him, you know, "Hey, you're fucking up." 412 00:22:06,020 --> 00:22:08,196 You know, and, uh, "You got to stop fucking up." 413 00:22:08,370 --> 00:22:10,329 The Marine Corps could have ruined his career. 414 00:22:10,503 --> 00:22:13,288 They could have pencil fucked him and wrote him up on charges 415 00:22:13,462 --> 00:22:15,508 and done all kinds of rotten shit to him, 416 00:22:15,682 --> 00:22:18,075 and he could have been discharged from the Marine Corps, 417 00:22:18,249 --> 00:22:20,643 and he could have been discharged, not, maybe not dishonorably, 418 00:22:20,817 --> 00:22:22,123 but other than honorable. 419 00:22:22,863 --> 00:22:24,691 On that part, I don't think they failed him. 420 00:22:25,256 --> 00:22:27,824 I think the biggest part that failed Travis 421 00:22:28,608 --> 00:22:30,914 is the medical part of the Marine Corps. 422 00:22:35,310 --> 00:22:38,966 Kellee talked a lot, and so did other people in Travis' family 423 00:22:39,140 --> 00:22:44,275 about his treatment and what Kelly considered as over medication. 424 00:22:44,450 --> 00:22:46,539 Travis also considered himself overmedicated. 425 00:22:46,713 --> 00:22:50,107 He reckoned that he was on 12 different medications at, at one time, 426 00:22:50,281 --> 00:22:52,893 and some of his fellow marines 427 00:22:53,067 --> 00:22:54,938 very much felt that the Marine Corps let him down, 428 00:22:55,112 --> 00:22:58,464 that the treatment he received was band-aids 429 00:22:58,638 --> 00:23:01,423 on the immediate wounds, the, the symptoms, you know, 430 00:23:01,597 --> 00:23:04,426 and, and were just trying to quiet him down, 431 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,299 quiet him down, get him to be calm so he can, he can go home. 432 00:23:08,474 --> 00:23:12,434 Why would you send somebody who's mentally ill to see a physician's assistant? 433 00:23:13,217 --> 00:23:15,394 So when Travis would come in and say, "You know what? 434 00:23:16,133 --> 00:23:19,659 I can't sleep at night because I'm having all these, these nightmares." 435 00:23:19,833 --> 00:23:22,139 "You can't sleep? Take this drug." 436 00:23:23,053 --> 00:23:25,752 And then he'd come back and go, "I'm a zombie all day long. 437 00:23:25,926 --> 00:23:28,189 I can't do that. I got to function. I got to be at work." 438 00:23:28,363 --> 00:23:30,844 "Oh, this drug makes you a zombie? Take this drug." 439 00:23:31,540 --> 00:23:33,150 "That drug makes me jittery. 440 00:23:33,324 --> 00:23:34,891 You know, it's like, it's like drinking 441 00:23:35,065 --> 00:23:36,371 a whole pot of coffee all at once, 442 00:23:36,545 --> 00:23:37,894 and all of sudden, you're just jacked. 443 00:23:38,068 --> 00:23:39,200 I can't deal with that." 444 00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:41,898 "Well, take this drug." 445 00:23:42,072 --> 00:23:44,771 I've never seen the medical records for Travis. 446 00:23:44,945 --> 00:23:47,382 I don't know what's handled differently from m-- 447 00:23:47,556 --> 00:23:50,603 military installation from-- to installation. I don't-- 448 00:23:50,777 --> 00:23:52,735 It's obviously, it's going to be different. 449 00:23:53,214 --> 00:23:57,044 But, somewhere, it seems as though 450 00:23:57,218 --> 00:23:59,089 there was a lack of follow-up. 451 00:23:59,263 --> 00:24:01,004 There was a serious lack of follow-up. 452 00:24:04,355 --> 00:24:06,053 "The following is a summary of care 453 00:24:06,227 --> 00:24:08,316 provided to Staff Sergeant Twiggs. 454 00:24:08,490 --> 00:24:11,711 June 21st, medical encounter for combat stress. 455 00:24:11,885 --> 00:24:15,497 July 28th, referral to VA, PTSD program. 456 00:24:15,671 --> 00:24:19,936 August 14th, medical encounter. Evaluation, meds. 457 00:24:20,110 --> 00:24:23,374 October 16th, psychiatric evaluation. 458 00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:25,681 December, 2006, 459 00:24:25,855 --> 00:24:28,815 deployed into Iraq without knowledge of medical command." 460 00:24:32,732 --> 00:24:34,864 When he first told me 461 00:24:35,038 --> 00:24:37,084 that he may be going back to Iraq, 462 00:24:37,258 --> 00:24:38,999 I'm like, "What?" 463 00:24:39,173 --> 00:24:40,609 "Well, it's only going to be for a couple of months 464 00:24:40,783 --> 00:24:42,263 and we're going, I'm going to bring 465 00:24:42,437 --> 00:24:46,180 some new weapons and gear over to the boys and... 466 00:24:46,354 --> 00:24:49,183 I'm not-- It's going to be in the Green Zone. It's not gonna be bad." 467 00:24:49,705 --> 00:24:53,317 And I'm like, "How? What? How is this possible? 468 00:24:53,492 --> 00:24:55,145 How? What is going on here?" 469 00:24:55,319 --> 00:24:57,234 You know, "This doesn't make any sense." 470 00:24:57,408 --> 00:25:00,411 Do you think that... I mean, you didn't know, 471 00:25:00,586 --> 00:25:02,457 and it wasn't your job to know, 472 00:25:02,631 --> 00:25:05,068 but the professionals at the base, like P.A. Gertz, 473 00:25:05,242 --> 00:25:07,767 like, she was treating him six months before that... 474 00:25:07,941 --> 00:25:09,333 Mm-hmm, she was. 475 00:25:09,508 --> 00:25:11,379 Did she know he was traveling? 476 00:25:11,553 --> 00:25:13,163 I can't remember if she knew or not. 477 00:25:13,337 --> 00:25:15,644 I know that when I went back over to Iraq, uh, 478 00:25:15,818 --> 00:25:18,821 I volunteered to go over with a reserve battalion. I know my, uh... 479 00:25:19,300 --> 00:25:21,302 I think my commanding general, my chief of staff, called her and said, 480 00:25:21,476 --> 00:25:23,434 "Hey, is Captain, uh, Vorgang all right to go over there?" 481 00:25:23,609 --> 00:25:24,914 And she's like, "Yeah, he's fine." 482 00:25:26,612 --> 00:25:28,439 It was kind of looked at at least, uh, 483 00:25:28,614 --> 00:25:30,398 um, as being, you know, just a three-week trip there. 484 00:25:30,572 --> 00:25:31,660 He's going to go and he'll be back. 485 00:25:31,834 --> 00:25:33,488 Nothing's going to happen to him. 486 00:25:33,662 --> 00:25:35,534 He never told me if he saw anything over there or not, 487 00:25:35,708 --> 00:25:37,710 but I don't think he did. Um... 488 00:25:37,884 --> 00:25:39,929 The, the other guy who was with him said they didn't see anything. 489 00:25:40,103 --> 00:25:42,802 They were never attacked, uh, by IEDs or small arms. 490 00:25:42,976 --> 00:25:45,195 But, uh, something definitely changed in him when he got back. 491 00:25:45,369 --> 00:25:47,284 Uh, in, in retrospect, 492 00:25:47,458 --> 00:25:50,331 um, would, uh, would I have said something? 493 00:25:50,505 --> 00:25:52,463 You know, hindsight being 20/20? 494 00:25:52,638 --> 00:25:54,727 Now, yeah, I'd say, you know, "We shouldn't have sent the guy." 495 00:25:54,901 --> 00:25:56,337 I think that sending him over there 496 00:25:56,511 --> 00:25:58,513 and not being able to fight with the boys, 497 00:25:58,687 --> 00:26:00,733 and him sitting there in the Green Zone 498 00:26:00,907 --> 00:26:03,736 doing nothing and hearing all the action going on, 499 00:26:03,910 --> 00:26:08,044 that is when the light switch went off and never came back on. 500 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,013 "Supplementary case incident record, 501 00:26:20,187 --> 00:26:21,971 Grand Canyon National Park. 502 00:26:22,493 --> 00:26:25,366 Following the motor vehicle accident on East Rim Drive, 503 00:26:25,540 --> 00:26:26,976 I interviewed Kellee Twiggs. 504 00:26:27,150 --> 00:26:28,804 She stated the following. 505 00:26:28,978 --> 00:26:30,937 Travis goes by the nickname 'T-Bo.' 506 00:26:31,111 --> 00:26:33,766 If we contact him, we should use that nickname. 507 00:26:33,940 --> 00:26:36,856 She said when he would have really bad flashbacks and be out of it, 508 00:26:37,030 --> 00:26:38,727 she would hold him and use that name, 509 00:26:38,901 --> 00:26:40,337 and it would bring him out of it. 510 00:26:40,511 --> 00:26:42,557 Travis has been to tracking school. 511 00:26:42,731 --> 00:26:44,559 He's an expert at jungle warfare. 512 00:26:44,733 --> 00:26:46,126 He's really good at hiding. 513 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,912 She's also worried that his brother is on board." 514 00:26:53,612 --> 00:26:56,353 Will spoke about his brother, Travis. 515 00:26:56,527 --> 00:27:00,880 I've never met Travis yet, and Will was very concerned about his brother 516 00:27:01,054 --> 00:27:03,143 because he knew his brother was sick. 517 00:27:04,318 --> 00:27:05,972 And he knew something was wrong. 518 00:27:08,017 --> 00:27:10,367 And... But he was very proud of his brother. 519 00:27:10,541 --> 00:27:15,677 He loved bragging about Travis, how he's an awesome marine. 520 00:27:15,851 --> 00:27:17,723 I don't think that he felt jealous. 521 00:27:17,897 --> 00:27:21,117 He just didn't feel proud of himself, 522 00:27:21,814 --> 00:27:25,861 because his brother was doing good and he, and he felt like he wasn't. 523 00:27:31,693 --> 00:27:33,434 It's really hard to explain 524 00:27:33,608 --> 00:27:36,611 because their relationship was tighter 525 00:27:36,785 --> 00:27:40,049 than any other brother relationship that I've ever seen. 526 00:27:40,223 --> 00:27:43,139 They, they loved each other beyond... 527 00:27:44,184 --> 00:27:45,272 ...imagination. 528 00:27:52,975 --> 00:27:55,456 Travis and Will were mostly raised 529 00:27:55,630 --> 00:28:00,461 by their father, Douglas, and his wife, Nancy, their stepmother, 530 00:28:00,635 --> 00:28:03,333 in a little town upriver from New Orleans. 531 00:28:03,507 --> 00:28:06,859 So the boys grew up in Southern Louisiana, and so did Kellee. 532 00:28:07,033 --> 00:28:10,514 I mean, Kelly and, and Travis were, were friends as little kids. 533 00:28:10,689 --> 00:28:11,994 They ran with the same little group. 534 00:28:12,168 --> 00:28:14,649 T-Bo was his name since he was a little boy, 535 00:28:14,823 --> 00:28:16,564 and his grandmother gave him that name. 536 00:28:17,130 --> 00:28:18,392 He was Rambo. 537 00:28:18,566 --> 00:28:20,786 He had s-- posters of Rambo all over, 538 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,310 and when we would go to his grandmother's house, 539 00:28:23,484 --> 00:28:26,748 she lived, um, across the lake in the woods. 540 00:28:26,922 --> 00:28:28,141 And we would play hide-and-go-seek. 541 00:28:28,315 --> 00:28:31,144 And I always knew to be on his team, 542 00:28:31,318 --> 00:28:34,408 because if not, you were going to get the bejesus scared out of you. 543 00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:38,151 They were quite different types of kids. 544 00:28:38,325 --> 00:28:42,416 Will was kind of willowy, uh, a big reader. 545 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:45,680 Travis was more of a burly hellion. 546 00:28:45,854 --> 00:28:50,293 He was a strong, um, super energetic kid 547 00:28:50,467 --> 00:28:52,165 who loved being outdoors. 548 00:28:53,079 --> 00:28:56,778 Will was two, three years older and sort of looked after his little brother. 549 00:28:56,952 --> 00:28:59,520 I think they did rely on each other quite a lot. 550 00:29:00,086 --> 00:29:02,784 It was like Frick and Frack. You know what I mean? They were the closest. 551 00:29:02,958 --> 00:29:06,266 They were always involved in one another's lives, 552 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,094 and they were very close. 553 00:29:08,268 --> 00:29:11,097 I mean, the first day Will had to go to kindergarten, 554 00:29:11,271 --> 00:29:14,578 T-Bo sat on the front porch all day long, mad. 555 00:29:14,753 --> 00:29:17,059 He even sat out there and pottied in his own pants, 556 00:29:17,233 --> 00:29:19,888 and refused to go inside in case his brother came home. 557 00:29:20,410 --> 00:29:23,500 I mean, that's how close, and they were always like that. 558 00:29:23,674 --> 00:29:27,069 Will was everything to Travis, 559 00:29:27,243 --> 00:29:30,290 and that was what I gathered from Travis. 560 00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:35,861 Will was the one person that Travis wanted to impress the most. 561 00:29:36,035 --> 00:29:38,254 That just always seemed kind of strange to me. 562 00:29:38,428 --> 00:29:41,910 Usually for a guy, it's your dad, is that man in your life. 563 00:29:42,084 --> 00:29:44,260 But for Travis, it seemed to me that it was Will, 564 00:29:44,434 --> 00:29:46,175 was that person in his life for him. 565 00:29:46,785 --> 00:29:49,657 I know that when Travis was a teenager, 566 00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:52,747 he decided to go live with their mother in Miami for a while. 567 00:29:52,921 --> 00:29:56,969 Will was very upset that he just made this decision without consulting him. 568 00:29:57,143 --> 00:29:59,536 Will went off, joined the Navy briefly. 569 00:29:59,710 --> 00:30:02,191 It was somewhat of a military tradition in their family. 570 00:30:02,365 --> 00:30:05,542 They had a couple of uncles. Their father had also been in the military, 571 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:07,544 as a, as an MP. 572 00:30:07,718 --> 00:30:09,198 So they kind of grew up on those stories, 573 00:30:09,372 --> 00:30:11,505 and it was a natural progression into the military. 574 00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:13,420 Will didn't last in the Navy, 575 00:30:13,594 --> 00:30:15,988 but of course, Travis did last in the Marines. 576 00:30:21,994 --> 00:30:27,521 I think Will felt that he never lived up to his dad's standards, 577 00:30:28,043 --> 00:30:30,741 where his brother did. Travis did. 578 00:30:30,916 --> 00:30:33,527 And I think, at a younger age, 579 00:30:33,701 --> 00:30:36,356 his dad helped him out a lot. 580 00:30:36,530 --> 00:30:39,707 But I don't think his dad, in, in, like, later on, 581 00:30:39,881 --> 00:30:43,102 gave him much encouragement with things, 582 00:30:43,276 --> 00:30:47,367 because I think that Will sort of jumped about from place to place. 583 00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:50,022 Um, he had the drink problem, 584 00:30:50,196 --> 00:30:53,764 which I think his dad was, like, very down on him about. 585 00:30:54,287 --> 00:30:56,724 So it would be sort of that sort of thing 586 00:30:56,898 --> 00:31:00,293 that he was just basically not living up to his dad's standards, I think, 587 00:31:00,467 --> 00:31:02,599 and that affected Will a lot. 588 00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,301 "If I ever did understand how this whole life worked, 589 00:31:08,475 --> 00:31:10,390 I lost it somewhere along the way. 590 00:31:11,478 --> 00:31:15,395 It somehow was married to the fantasies of an emotional daydreamer. 591 00:31:16,309 --> 00:31:18,006 A daydreamer who lived in happiness 592 00:31:18,180 --> 00:31:20,574 in a solitary house of music and writing. 593 00:31:21,836 --> 00:31:23,229 No house at all, really. 594 00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:26,449 And when all of the real walls have fallen 595 00:31:26,623 --> 00:31:28,974 and the bare, pathetic truth is exposed, 596 00:31:29,757 --> 00:31:32,542 there's only a scared little boy standing there in disbelief." 597 00:31:34,370 --> 00:31:37,765 I mean, once you grow up, and you get married and you have your own kids, 598 00:31:37,939 --> 00:31:40,724 you're not constantly looking for your parent's approval. 599 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:42,944 You know? You've moved on from that. 600 00:31:43,553 --> 00:31:49,124 You're trying to raise your kids and instill in them morals and life, 601 00:31:49,298 --> 00:31:53,563 and you don't just dwell on your parent's approval. 602 00:31:53,737 --> 00:31:57,263 I mean, you move on in life, 603 00:31:57,437 --> 00:31:59,526 and I don't think he did. 604 00:31:59,700 --> 00:32:03,486 I mean, he was 37 years old, never been married, never had no kids. 605 00:32:03,660 --> 00:32:05,880 He felt like his brothers were his kids. 606 00:32:06,054 --> 00:32:08,100 I mean, I've got sisters and brothers, 607 00:32:08,274 --> 00:32:10,711 and they're not my kids, I've got kids. 608 00:32:10,885 --> 00:32:14,715 You know? It's, it's a different love and feeling and emotion. 609 00:32:15,237 --> 00:32:18,806 But for him to take on as... 610 00:32:18,980 --> 00:32:21,374 his brothers, as his children, 611 00:32:21,548 --> 00:32:23,245 I think that's what he did, 612 00:32:25,030 --> 00:32:26,509 which is kind of strange. 613 00:32:37,259 --> 00:32:39,522 I got a phone call from, uh, my boss 614 00:32:39,696 --> 00:32:42,482 saying, "Hey, you're gonna go to the Quantico clinic right now. 615 00:32:42,656 --> 00:32:44,919 Pick up Staff Sergeant Twiggs and take him to Bethesda." 616 00:32:45,093 --> 00:32:46,921 All he kept saying was, "I'm sorry, sir. 617 00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:49,445 You know, I know it's supposed to be a day off for everyone, 618 00:32:49,619 --> 00:32:52,535 and you have to come and take me to, uh, Bethesda." I probably told him, you know, 619 00:32:52,709 --> 00:32:55,147 "Just hold your head up high. Hang in there, it'll be all right." 620 00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:58,541 Some, uh, some kind of bullshit like that, uh, 621 00:32:58,715 --> 00:33:01,109 when, uh, I guess in reality I knew... 622 00:33:01,283 --> 00:33:04,765 I didn't want to admit it, but, uh, I kind of knew deep down 623 00:33:04,939 --> 00:33:06,506 that it wasn't going to be all right for him, 624 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,422 because he just kept going down this path, and, uh, 625 00:33:10,858 --> 00:33:12,729 it, it killed me to see him doing that. 626 00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:17,343 He said, "I'm crazy. I can't help it." 627 00:33:19,301 --> 00:33:21,869 Well, to me, Travis was always crazy. 628 00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:25,133 He was the guy that was so outgoing and so beyond outgoing, 629 00:33:25,307 --> 00:33:26,961 you're like, "This dude's crazy." 630 00:33:28,006 --> 00:33:30,225 But when he meant he was crazy, 631 00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:32,271 you heard it in his voice and he goes, 632 00:33:33,054 --> 00:33:34,795 "I think I'm fucking crazy." 633 00:33:35,709 --> 00:33:39,060 And it wasn't the crazy, funny ha-ha, like you know, "This dude's crazy." 634 00:33:39,234 --> 00:33:42,585 It's, "I'm crazy, and I don't know how to stop it. 635 00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:45,023 And I don't know how to fix it. 636 00:33:46,154 --> 00:33:47,242 And I don't know what to do." 637 00:34:01,517 --> 00:34:05,782 I think what happens is that you've got your truth, 638 00:34:05,956 --> 00:34:09,612 like, you know, your personal beliefs about the way the world works. 639 00:34:10,222 --> 00:34:12,702 You know, not necessarily in your conscience, 640 00:34:12,876 --> 00:34:16,010 but in your subconscious, there is a structure to the way the world works, 641 00:34:16,184 --> 00:34:18,230 and when something traumatic happens, 642 00:34:18,404 --> 00:34:20,710 the foundation on that structure breaks and it all collapses. 643 00:34:20,884 --> 00:34:22,538 You know, the way you see the world, 644 00:34:22,712 --> 00:34:24,105 like, if you're looking at the world through a window, 645 00:34:24,279 --> 00:34:25,933 the windows broke, and now they have 646 00:34:26,107 --> 00:34:29,067 to go about building an entire new reality 647 00:34:29,241 --> 00:34:30,807 'cause their old one is gone. 648 00:34:31,852 --> 00:34:33,897 The way they viewed the world for their entire life, 649 00:34:34,072 --> 00:34:36,639 or how it's evolved over time 650 00:34:36,813 --> 00:34:39,860 just got blown to shit, washed away, it is no more. 651 00:34:40,034 --> 00:34:42,689 So now you've got this 25, 26, 31-year-old, 652 00:34:42,863 --> 00:34:44,995 however-old person who's like... 653 00:34:46,214 --> 00:34:49,826 ..."What am I supposed to do? Everything I thought was real is not. 654 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,090 It's not the way the world works. That's the way this world's 655 00:34:52,264 --> 00:34:54,048 supposed to work, but that's not how it works." 656 00:35:08,323 --> 00:35:09,803 I saw some paintings 657 00:35:09,977 --> 00:35:12,545 that Travis had done while he was hospitalized. 658 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,417 They were really disturbing, 659 00:35:15,591 --> 00:35:18,986 dark, dark visions from somebody who's, who's haunted 660 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:24,034 and, and feels trapped and on a kind of hopeless mission. 661 00:35:27,821 --> 00:35:30,215 I mean, they were guy holding an eyeball, 662 00:35:30,389 --> 00:35:32,478 those horror images. 663 00:35:34,436 --> 00:35:37,700 One of them is a marine hanging from a wall 664 00:35:37,874 --> 00:35:39,528 by his fingertips 665 00:35:39,702 --> 00:35:41,704 with all his veins poking out. 666 00:35:41,878 --> 00:35:43,358 As I would think, 667 00:35:43,532 --> 00:35:46,318 like holding on with every bit of might he could 668 00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:48,494 to his life. 669 00:35:48,668 --> 00:35:50,496 There's another picture of... 670 00:35:51,671 --> 00:35:53,934 It's me and the girls in the background, 671 00:35:54,108 --> 00:35:55,979 and then his face real close. 672 00:35:56,154 --> 00:35:59,200 But he's got like this look on his face, like he's a monster. 673 00:35:59,983 --> 00:36:02,899 I wonder if that's what he thought he was to us. 674 00:36:04,118 --> 00:36:06,338 Because he was not. 675 00:36:06,512 --> 00:36:09,515 And I don't understand why he would think that. 676 00:36:11,691 --> 00:36:13,083 Just so awful, you know... 677 00:36:14,911 --> 00:36:17,305 ...the way he thought of himself. 678 00:36:20,917 --> 00:36:22,571 You might say that 679 00:36:22,745 --> 00:36:25,705 in the classic breakdown of social trust 680 00:36:25,879 --> 00:36:28,621 that is, is kind of the essence of PTSD. 681 00:36:28,795 --> 00:36:34,017 The one person whom Travis still did trust was Will. 682 00:36:34,583 --> 00:36:36,411 They'd been so close growing up, 683 00:36:36,585 --> 00:36:39,501 and Will idolized Travis, um, 684 00:36:39,675 --> 00:36:42,765 as this kind of warrior hero. 685 00:36:42,939 --> 00:36:45,638 And they formed this unit. 686 00:36:45,812 --> 00:36:48,336 They sort of spoke a language that nobody else could, 687 00:36:48,510 --> 00:36:52,427 and they could imitate each other's voice perfectly and fooled people over the phone. 688 00:36:52,601 --> 00:36:54,386 Which one it was. They'd always been able to do this. 689 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,519 Will went and sat at Travis' bedside in Bethesda 690 00:36:57,693 --> 00:37:01,088 when he was, um, sort of at his worst in the hospital. 691 00:37:01,262 --> 00:37:06,789 And his journals show that his fixed idea was his loyalty to Travis. 692 00:37:06,963 --> 00:37:10,010 So this was a powerful, powerful theme between the two brothers. 693 00:37:10,184 --> 00:37:11,620 You know, "We stick together." 694 00:37:12,969 --> 00:37:15,929 "So, the trip is winding on down. 695 00:37:17,147 --> 00:37:19,672 One more full day, and then I'm back in the airport, 696 00:37:19,846 --> 00:37:22,022 and then back to all of my stress and misery 697 00:37:22,196 --> 00:37:24,503 and reminders of mistakes and mayhem. 698 00:37:25,895 --> 00:37:26,940 At least for a while. 699 00:37:28,855 --> 00:37:31,423 T-Bo needed this. No question. 700 00:37:32,162 --> 00:37:35,992 It's been a great visit, and I will most certainly be sad to leave T-Bo. 701 00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:39,300 My loyalty is unequivocally bent, T-Bo." 702 00:37:43,739 --> 00:37:45,306 When he came back, 703 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,091 that's when I noticed that he wasn't the same, 704 00:37:48,266 --> 00:37:50,268 He said, "My brother is sick. 705 00:37:50,442 --> 00:37:52,052 I can't do nothing about it." 706 00:37:52,226 --> 00:37:55,795 He just didn't know what, what to do or where to turn. 707 00:37:55,969 --> 00:37:57,666 He, he, he didn't know. 708 00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,191 He was trying to just deal with it, I guess, on his own, 709 00:38:01,757 --> 00:38:03,759 and he started drinking a lot. 710 00:38:04,238 --> 00:38:07,415 And he just started, you know, doing stuff that he would never do, 711 00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:10,984 like punch holes in my doors and stuff like that. 712 00:38:11,158 --> 00:38:15,989 But he was very private, personal when it came to his family. 713 00:38:16,163 --> 00:38:18,034 He cared so much for T-Bo, he, uh, 714 00:38:18,644 --> 00:38:20,907 would always listen to him on the phone, uh... 715 00:38:21,081 --> 00:38:24,214 There would be some problem, he's trying to, to micromanage 716 00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:27,566 or, or, or give answers or just be the, the ear. 717 00:38:27,740 --> 00:38:30,743 Then it would always end up with like, "Well, have you started drinking yet?" 718 00:38:30,917 --> 00:38:32,440 You know, that's how the conversation would go. 719 00:38:32,614 --> 00:38:34,660 Like, if there's a problem, then, 720 00:38:34,834 --> 00:38:36,749 "Have you started drinking?" you know. 721 00:38:36,923 --> 00:38:38,359 I don't think it made it any better, 722 00:38:38,533 --> 00:38:40,448 but I guess they coped with it a little easier. 723 00:38:44,539 --> 00:38:47,194 "Line of duty determination. Written findings 724 00:38:47,368 --> 00:38:49,892 in the case of Staff Sergeant Travis N. Twiggs. 725 00:38:50,066 --> 00:38:52,199 On March 26th, 2008 726 00:38:52,373 --> 00:38:55,681 Staff Sergeant Twiggs requested leave to visit his grandmother 727 00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:58,118 who was diagnosed terminally ill with cancer. 728 00:38:58,292 --> 00:39:00,163 Staff Sergeant Twiggs' doctor 729 00:39:00,338 --> 00:39:02,905 advised that Staff Sergeant Twiggs was not mentally fit 730 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,168 at this time to travel without an escort." 731 00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:12,350 Travis was too proud to show up next to his grandmother 732 00:39:12,524 --> 00:39:14,656 and have an escort. 733 00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:16,484 So he kept saying that he was gonna go. 734 00:39:16,658 --> 00:39:19,313 He was going to New Orleans, he was going to see her. 735 00:39:19,487 --> 00:39:21,402 And he's like, "I just need you to understand 736 00:39:21,576 --> 00:39:24,100 that I love you and the kids and I have to do what I have to do." 737 00:39:24,274 --> 00:39:27,234 And I said, "Please, do not go to New Orleans. 738 00:39:27,408 --> 00:39:30,759 You're gonna flush your Marine Corps down the drain, 739 00:39:30,933 --> 00:39:34,937 everything's gonna go away, all that we've worked so hard for for this." 740 00:39:35,111 --> 00:39:36,852 Will had a little throwaway phone and, uh, 741 00:39:37,026 --> 00:39:39,028 we started getting calls from, uh, T-Bo. 742 00:39:39,202 --> 00:39:41,074 And that, uh, he was getting a pass or something. 743 00:39:41,248 --> 00:39:43,555 He was going to... You know, he was getting out. 744 00:39:43,729 --> 00:39:45,948 And then, uh, we get another phone call later in the day, 745 00:39:46,122 --> 00:39:47,820 like, "Oh, hey, I'm, I'm on my way." 746 00:39:52,128 --> 00:39:54,609 So he just took off. He just jumped in a car 747 00:39:54,783 --> 00:39:56,655 and, uh, drove to New Orleans, 748 00:39:56,829 --> 00:39:58,831 um, where he hooked up with Will 749 00:39:59,005 --> 00:40:01,921 and saw other members of his family, his grandmother, 750 00:40:02,095 --> 00:40:06,099 and he seemed, um, in retrospect, according to his parents, 751 00:40:06,273 --> 00:40:08,275 um, really not himself. 752 00:40:08,449 --> 00:40:12,018 His voice didn't sound like him, he, he was belligerent, 753 00:40:12,192 --> 00:40:15,543 and said to his father as his father, Douglas, recalls it, 754 00:40:15,717 --> 00:40:18,154 um, that, "I'm, I think I'm very sick." 755 00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:31,080 I heard they borrowed money from everybody, 756 00:40:31,254 --> 00:40:34,127 but I did get $200 and lend it to them. 757 00:40:34,823 --> 00:40:36,738 And-- 'Cause for T-Bo's trip back home. 758 00:40:36,912 --> 00:40:38,784 That's what they told me it was for. 759 00:40:39,306 --> 00:40:42,527 And then that night, I went to the bar and they were drinking, 760 00:40:42,701 --> 00:40:45,443 and I made them give me back... They only had 100 left. 761 00:40:45,617 --> 00:40:47,140 I made them give me back 100. 762 00:40:47,314 --> 00:40:49,882 I mean, I've seen T-Bo, like, three, four times. 763 00:40:50,056 --> 00:40:52,188 I think he was down here for maybe, what, a week? 764 00:40:52,362 --> 00:40:56,062 I, I didn't know he was this bad off, as he was. 765 00:40:56,236 --> 00:40:58,586 I wasn't looking for nothing. 766 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,546 No signs or not-- nothing abnormal. 767 00:41:02,111 --> 00:41:03,025 You know? 768 00:41:03,809 --> 00:41:06,115 Will was abnormal. You know? 769 00:41:06,289 --> 00:41:08,466 You know? I didn't have normal enough. 770 00:41:27,572 --> 00:41:29,225 Will kept calling me. 771 00:41:29,399 --> 00:41:32,838 I was working, so I couldn't answer my phone at the time. 772 00:41:33,012 --> 00:41:35,667 I finally was able to talk to him. 773 00:41:36,537 --> 00:41:38,800 Now his brother is in town at this time. 774 00:41:41,150 --> 00:41:45,198 And Will said, "Terry, I just want to tell you 775 00:41:45,372 --> 00:41:47,983 thank you for being a good friend of mine. 776 00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:52,858 But I'm, I'm done, Terry. I'm done. I'm..." 777 00:41:53,032 --> 00:41:55,817 I said... "What do you, what do you mean you're done?" 778 00:41:56,644 --> 00:41:59,212 He said, "I'm-- Dude, I'm done... 779 00:42:00,648 --> 00:42:03,390 ...with this place. I got to get out of here." 780 00:42:03,564 --> 00:42:07,046 And I said, "Well, are you moving? Are you going somewhere?" 781 00:42:07,220 --> 00:42:10,136 He said, "Yeah, yeah. that's exactly what I'm doing." 782 00:42:11,311 --> 00:42:12,834 I said, "Well, where you're going?" 783 00:42:13,008 --> 00:42:15,097 He said, "Well, where I'm going, I can't tell you. 784 00:42:17,012 --> 00:42:19,449 But you'll h-- you'll hear from me again." 785 00:42:19,624 --> 00:42:21,147 I said, "What, what are you, what are you going to do? 786 00:42:21,321 --> 00:42:22,496 Where are you going to go?" 787 00:42:23,192 --> 00:42:25,325 He said, "I'm gonna take this motherfucker 788 00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:27,327 and drive it into the ground." 789 00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:31,113 I said, "Well, well, what are you talking about?" 790 00:42:32,332 --> 00:42:33,376 Well, he hung up. 791 00:42:33,942 --> 00:42:35,683 So when I called Cathy 792 00:42:35,857 --> 00:42:38,294 to find out, well, where they're going or whatever, 793 00:42:39,252 --> 00:42:40,558 she said, "Terry... 794 00:42:42,168 --> 00:42:46,651 ...you would not believe how Will was." 795 00:42:46,825 --> 00:42:48,827 She said, "It was like a different person." 796 00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:50,916 I said, "What do you mean?" 797 00:42:51,090 --> 00:42:53,962 She said he came into the house with T-Bo... 798 00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:58,663 ...demanded money, "I need money now!" 799 00:42:59,141 --> 00:43:00,099 Demanded money. 800 00:43:00,273 --> 00:43:02,275 She gave up whatever money 801 00:43:02,449 --> 00:43:04,277 that it, that she could, 802 00:43:04,451 --> 00:43:06,496 and he just said that he was going on a trip, 803 00:43:06,671 --> 00:43:08,977 or he was going somewhere. 804 00:43:09,151 --> 00:43:11,414 Didn't really give too much of an explanation to anybody, 805 00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:14,592 where they were going, what they were doing, what the plan was. 806 00:43:14,766 --> 00:43:15,680 Nobody knew. 807 00:43:22,687 --> 00:43:24,950 From what I understand, Thursday was the last day 808 00:43:25,124 --> 00:43:27,169 that anybody in New Orleans had seen them. 809 00:43:27,343 --> 00:43:30,520 Apparently, they drove over to Texas 810 00:43:30,695 --> 00:43:34,350 and saw a friend of Will's, Kim. 811 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,352 When they talked to T-Bo, he's like, 812 00:43:36,526 --> 00:43:38,572 "Oh, yeah, I'm going back. I'm going home. 813 00:43:38,746 --> 00:43:40,356 I'm-- After we leave here, we're going back. 814 00:43:40,530 --> 00:43:42,402 I'm gonna go back up to Virginia," 815 00:43:42,576 --> 00:43:44,273 like everything was okay with him. 816 00:43:44,447 --> 00:43:46,275 Travis said something to the effect of, 817 00:43:46,449 --> 00:43:48,582 you know, "This is much farther than I thought." 818 00:43:48,756 --> 00:43:51,150 They had driven all the way out from Louisiana. 819 00:43:51,324 --> 00:43:54,327 "Um, and I got to get back east, and we can't stay the night." 820 00:43:54,501 --> 00:43:55,807 And, and they left. 821 00:44:07,993 --> 00:44:09,690 You've reached SSR Twiggs. 822 00:44:09,864 --> 00:44:11,605 I can't take your call right now. Leave a message. 823 00:44:11,779 --> 00:44:13,259 I'll get back to you as soon as I can. 824 00:44:13,433 --> 00:44:14,739 - Thanks. 825 00:44:15,957 --> 00:44:18,830 I went back and looked at Travis's phone records of whom he-- 826 00:44:19,004 --> 00:44:20,309 like who he had called. 827 00:44:20,788 --> 00:44:22,616 And, um, I saw this one number, 828 00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:24,574 ,and I didn't know who it was, so I called it. 829 00:44:24,749 --> 00:44:27,534 Then apparently, it was a friend of Will's. 830 00:44:27,708 --> 00:44:30,276 She said, "Well, yeah, they called me earlier 831 00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:33,148 and Will was saying how they were at the Grand Canyon 832 00:44:33,322 --> 00:44:35,020 and how beautiful it was, 833 00:44:35,194 --> 00:44:37,805 and that it makes the hair on his arms stand up," 834 00:44:37,979 --> 00:44:41,548 and whatever she does, she's got to get out there and see it, 835 00:44:41,722 --> 00:44:43,419 how beautiful it is. 836 00:44:43,593 --> 00:44:45,987 So I'm like, "Oh, my God," you know, like, 837 00:44:46,161 --> 00:44:49,512 "Wh-- what, what the hell are they thinking? What is going on?" 838 00:44:56,563 --> 00:44:58,260 Well, there's not a great deal known. 839 00:44:58,434 --> 00:45:01,437 They were driving in this area of the South Rim 840 00:45:01,611 --> 00:45:03,265 in a place where there's no guardrail, 841 00:45:03,439 --> 00:45:05,703 and it's a 5,000-foot drop, 842 00:45:06,442 --> 00:45:09,141 and Travis was at the wheel, apparently. 843 00:45:09,315 --> 00:45:13,232 He just hooked a hard left and floored it over a curb, 844 00:45:13,406 --> 00:45:15,103 and off the rim. 845 00:45:17,889 --> 00:45:20,456 They hung up at a little fir tree 846 00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:22,763 that's growing out just under the ledge, 847 00:45:23,721 --> 00:45:24,896 the car basically stuck. 848 00:45:25,070 --> 00:45:27,115 So they got out. 849 00:45:27,289 --> 00:45:30,162 People who saw this thought they were acting very strangely, 850 00:45:30,336 --> 00:45:33,687 talking about, "Well, let's just, you know, continue with our plans." 851 00:45:34,296 --> 00:45:36,124 And what, what-- 852 00:45:36,298 --> 00:45:38,213 You know, after doing this, you have plans? 853 00:45:38,387 --> 00:45:41,608 What, what, what were your plans, you know, exactly here? 854 00:45:41,782 --> 00:45:43,828 And they were sort of getting their stuff out of the car 855 00:45:44,002 --> 00:45:47,005 and scrounging around for cigarettes, "Where are the cigarettes?" 856 00:45:47,179 --> 00:45:50,008 I mean, they weren't making a lot of sense, I think, to the witnesses. 857 00:45:50,182 --> 00:45:52,837 And they grabbed packs and split 858 00:45:53,011 --> 00:45:55,665 before the cops showed up. 859 00:45:56,231 --> 00:45:57,755 They went across the road 860 00:45:57,929 --> 00:46:01,106 into the scrub on the other side and just kind of hid out 861 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:05,501 while the authorities came and towed their car out of there 862 00:46:05,675 --> 00:46:07,808 and, and cleared it up and tried to figure out 863 00:46:07,982 --> 00:46:10,115 what had happened, and when they'd left, 864 00:46:10,289 --> 00:46:15,120 um, about an hour after they'd cleared the scene and, and gone, 865 00:46:15,294 --> 00:46:18,384 they stopped a car with a couple of tourists in it, 866 00:46:18,558 --> 00:46:21,561 showed a .38 revolver and got them out of the car, 867 00:46:21,735 --> 00:46:24,694 basically carjacked them, took their car and left with it. 868 00:46:24,869 --> 00:46:27,088 And that's the last time they were seen. 869 00:46:27,654 --> 00:46:30,222 And nobody is sure what happened between there and... 870 00:46:30,396 --> 00:46:32,224 ...what happened 400 miles away. 871 00:46:49,894 --> 00:46:51,765 Hell of a night, so stand by. 872 00:46:51,939 --> 00:46:54,289 370, it's supposed to be a white Dodge Durango 873 00:46:54,463 --> 00:46:56,074 or Caliber. 874 00:46:56,248 --> 00:46:58,424 Once this carjacking took place, 875 00:46:58,598 --> 00:47:01,601 Arizona authorities were looking for these guys, 876 00:47:01,775 --> 00:47:05,866 but nobody spotted them for a day-and-a-half, two days, 877 00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,913 and then they were pulled over 878 00:47:09,087 --> 00:47:10,958 near a border station on Interstate 8. 879 00:47:11,132 --> 00:47:13,439 And they were asked to pull over for a secondary inspection, 880 00:47:13,613 --> 00:47:17,573 and that's when Travis just floored it and, and the chase was on. 881 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,925 Sheriff's office. This is... - Hi. This is 882 00:47:21,099 --> 00:47:23,884 a supervisor of Border Patrol Agent Baxter, US Customs and Border Patrol station. 883 00:47:24,058 --> 00:47:27,279 - Uh-huh. - We have a situation of a vehicle running one of our 884 00:47:27,453 --> 00:47:30,108 checkpoints out at Welton. He's gone over 100 miles an hour. 885 00:47:30,282 --> 00:47:32,937 We have helicopters following him, we have agents following him. 886 00:47:33,633 --> 00:47:35,635 He is, uh, considered armed and dangerous 887 00:47:35,809 --> 00:47:37,724 And is it just one person in the vehicle? 888 00:47:37,898 --> 00:47:40,596 There is, uh, two people. Hold on, one second... 889 00:47:40,770 --> 00:47:43,251 And they're racing east across the Arizona desert 890 00:47:43,425 --> 00:47:47,952 and pursued by any number of patrol cars, helicopters. 891 00:47:48,126 --> 00:47:51,129 At a certain point, he hung a sudden left turn, 892 00:47:51,303 --> 00:47:55,394 come to a dead end at a dam 16 miles off the Interstate, 893 00:47:55,568 --> 00:47:59,528 hung a sharp U turn and raced back at the cars that were chasing them. 894 00:47:59,702 --> 00:48:03,097 We'll be approaching Stanfield Road in about one or so. 895 00:48:03,271 --> 00:48:06,622 GPS involved, along with Border Patrol and an MCSO unit. 896 00:48:07,188 --> 00:48:10,017 It's certainly easy to picture 897 00:48:10,191 --> 00:48:13,151 how Travis in this sort of disastrous state of mind 898 00:48:13,325 --> 00:48:17,242 where he's been plagued by flashbacks over time, often thinks he's in Iraq. 899 00:48:17,416 --> 00:48:19,548 You know, racing through the desert, 900 00:48:19,722 --> 00:48:22,421 with choppers overhead and the vehicles around him 901 00:48:22,595 --> 00:48:25,990 may have, may have felt like he was back in combat, he was in Iraq. 902 00:48:27,992 --> 00:48:31,343 A tribal policeman came out to the highway 903 00:48:31,517 --> 00:48:35,869 and laid out some spike strips to flatten the tires. 904 00:48:36,043 --> 00:48:39,568 Still eastbound. He just hit the strips at Stanfield Road. 905 00:48:39,742 --> 00:48:41,440 - I'll get you mile markers to that-- - Copy. 906 00:48:41,614 --> 00:48:45,183 1962 vehicle lost control of I-8 eastbound at 162. 907 00:48:45,357 --> 00:48:47,185 900, all units hold traffic. 908 00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:02,330 The thing that bothers me the most is the last ten minutes... 909 00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:06,291 ...is the last ten minutes of that car. 910 00:49:06,465 --> 00:49:09,294 What went through their heads? 911 00:49:09,468 --> 00:49:11,339 Okay, you're doing a felony, stop the vehicle bid roll. 912 00:49:11,513 --> 00:49:13,559 I-8 is closed at this time at 10:14. 913 00:49:13,733 --> 00:49:16,040 900, all units continue to hold traffic for a felony stop. 914 00:49:17,345 --> 00:49:18,956 And that was my biggest problem for so long. 915 00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:21,871 I felt like I was in a bubble sitting in the back seat 916 00:49:22,046 --> 00:49:23,612 and I could see them two talking. 917 00:49:23,786 --> 00:49:26,267 You know, "I can't go to jail. I can't go to jail, man. 918 00:49:26,441 --> 00:49:29,009 You're gonna have to do it. You're gonna have to do it. I can't do it." 919 00:49:32,752 --> 00:49:36,364 Will was a pretty strong person. He was a strong-willed person. 920 00:49:36,538 --> 00:49:39,585 I wouldn't put it past him. He wasn't too scared of anything. 921 00:49:39,759 --> 00:49:44,198 I'm sure he felt like, "What would be the purpose of, of staying here? 922 00:49:44,372 --> 00:49:45,721 My brother's sick. 923 00:49:46,635 --> 00:49:49,812 He could never find happiness ever again in his life. 924 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:51,640 His life is upside down. 925 00:49:52,293 --> 00:49:54,252 What the hell we need to be here for anymore?" 926 00:49:55,644 --> 00:49:58,343 - And that was it. - 760, did I copy there is 927 00:49:58,517 --> 00:50:00,388 - a weapon in the vehicle? - There's a weapon. 928 00:50:00,562 --> 00:50:02,086 Calling all units, 929 00:50:02,260 --> 00:50:04,740 - continue to hold traffic. 930 00:50:04,914 --> 00:50:07,656 Shots fired, possible triple-six. 931 00:50:07,830 --> 00:50:10,224 1192, if that's you, or 1207, can you observe 932 00:50:10,398 --> 00:50:12,531 - from that side and give us a status? - 933 00:50:12,705 --> 00:50:14,446 We have shots fired, possible triple-six. 934 00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:16,100 900, all units, hold traffic. 935 00:50:17,057 --> 00:50:19,233 Stand by, copy, he just dropped down into the seat. 936 00:50:20,017 --> 00:50:22,758 Okay, I copy. The subject just slumped down at the wheel this time. 937 00:50:22,932 --> 00:50:24,891 I have a visual on him. He's slumped down behind the dash. 938 00:50:25,065 --> 00:50:27,328 - We can't see him anymore. 939 00:50:27,502 --> 00:50:29,852 Okay, I copy. You do not have a visual on the subject 940 00:50:30,027 --> 00:50:31,593 at this time at 10:15. 941 00:50:32,246 --> 00:50:34,161 This is LT1 433 and LT6. 942 00:50:42,604 --> 00:50:45,390 Travis fired all three, shot Will through the temple. 943 00:50:45,564 --> 00:50:48,306 It was fatal. Then shot himself under the chin, 944 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,916 which was not fatal. 945 00:50:50,090 --> 00:50:53,137 And then he fired a second shot that was fatal 946 00:50:53,311 --> 00:50:56,140 and he sort of fell over into his brother's lap. 947 00:50:59,665 --> 00:51:01,275 Just FYI, it was a pursuit. 948 00:51:01,449 --> 00:51:03,364 Two people have been, uh, are seen either, uh, 949 00:51:03,538 --> 00:51:05,801 knocked out or slumped over. 950 00:51:05,975 --> 00:51:08,848 6768, if you can hear me, uh, just perimeter up, 951 00:51:09,022 --> 00:51:12,199 uh, we got more units coming. Don't approach the vehicle. 952 00:51:12,373 --> 00:51:14,636 392, take care of westbound traffic. You're in front of us. 953 00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:17,378 We're just passing 167. Stop all westbound. 954 00:51:17,900 --> 00:51:20,077 On traffic, 84. We'll be there in a few. 955 00:51:20,251 --> 00:51:23,428 We're, uh, about Murphy on the I-8, myself and Command Two. 956 00:51:24,907 --> 00:51:26,953 In Camp Farm, Company divert northbound 957 00:51:27,127 --> 00:51:29,651 to State Route 84 off of Montgomery Appleton 8, 10:01. 958 00:51:31,436 --> 00:51:33,307 See if we can get a canine out here, maybe approach... 959 00:51:33,481 --> 00:51:35,570 - ...the, the, uh, vehicle. Uh, see if BPS 960 00:51:35,744 --> 00:51:37,703 has a canine available to make approach to the vehicle. 961 00:51:37,877 --> 00:51:40,140 The stuff that I think, you know, civilians, 962 00:51:40,314 --> 00:51:43,100 I don't know if it's take for granted or whatever, but it's like over there, 963 00:51:43,274 --> 00:51:45,276 you know, you think, you know, all the really matters 964 00:51:45,450 --> 00:51:47,147 is the guy on your left and your right, you know. 965 00:51:47,321 --> 00:51:48,888 I mean, when you're back here, it's like, you don't, 966 00:51:49,062 --> 00:51:50,672 you don't think about things like that. 967 00:51:50,846 --> 00:51:53,066 If me and you are out there, you know, 968 00:51:53,240 --> 00:51:54,720 and, and you've got my six, you know, 969 00:51:54,894 --> 00:51:56,330 I shouldn't have to turn around 970 00:51:56,504 --> 00:51:58,637 and make sure that you're watching my six. 971 00:51:58,811 --> 00:52:02,554 I trust you, you know, as a brother to know that you've got that. 972 00:52:02,728 --> 00:52:04,382 You've got that part of the security you're holding, 973 00:52:04,556 --> 00:52:06,253 so it's just that level of camaraderie 974 00:52:06,427 --> 00:52:08,081 between, between one another. 975 00:52:08,255 --> 00:52:11,084 You know, it's, it's uniq-- it's a unique thing. 976 00:52:11,258 --> 00:52:14,870 You know, it's a unique thing. So, I'm, I'm sure for anybody else that-- 977 00:52:15,044 --> 00:52:16,350 I don't have any brothers, you know. 978 00:52:16,524 --> 00:52:18,396 Um, but I'm sure for anybody that does, 979 00:52:18,570 --> 00:52:20,311 they, they, they'd understand how it is, you know, 980 00:52:20,485 --> 00:52:22,878 brothers' love, you know, for one another. 981 00:52:24,793 --> 00:52:26,143 Okay, hold on, 982 00:52:26,621 --> 00:52:28,667 let's see if we can get Uncle Will into this picture. 983 00:52:29,450 --> 00:52:34,325 I'll... just get the sunlight not on him. 984 00:52:35,326 --> 00:52:37,632 What does that say? What does that say? - There he is! 985 00:52:41,245 --> 00:52:44,248 Just trying to write my stupid brother a letter. - Wait, wait-- 986 00:52:45,466 --> 00:52:47,381 Because he's drunk, and... 987 00:52:47,555 --> 00:52:49,209 Never got to tell him my feelings. - "Your 'Bestest 988 00:52:49,383 --> 00:52:50,558 Potna'... 989 00:52:52,212 --> 00:52:54,519 ...forever and a day." 990 00:52:55,868 --> 00:52:57,870 Number two, Rusty Wallace, 991 00:52:58,044 --> 00:53:00,481 - obviously. - Uh, number one is the one I meant. 992 00:53:02,614 --> 00:53:03,702 Creep. 993 00:53:03,876 --> 00:53:05,486 Really? 994 00:53:05,660 --> 00:53:07,358 Creep fucking jerk. 995 00:53:09,795 --> 00:53:12,493 So now what are you going to do? - Oh, yeah? 996 00:53:13,494 --> 00:53:15,583 Where's the beer? Huh? 997 00:53:15,757 --> 00:53:17,368 What do you mean where is it? - Where is the fucking beer? 998 00:53:17,542 --> 00:53:20,066 It's up your ass, you dumb-witted-- - Oh! 999 00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:23,417 How creative! Come up with something a little better than that. 1000 00:53:23,591 --> 00:53:25,332 - Yeah, I could. - How can I... 1001 00:53:25,506 --> 00:53:27,595 I could come up with this, right here. 1002 00:53:27,769 --> 00:53:29,075 - How about right here? - Look. 1003 00:53:51,097 --> 00:53:53,273 You would think Travis come down here 1004 00:53:53,447 --> 00:53:55,667 to see his grandmother 'cause she was sick, 1005 00:53:55,841 --> 00:53:57,234 and he didn't want to be chaperoned. 1006 00:53:57,408 --> 00:53:58,887 I don't think he didn't want to be chaperoned, 1007 00:53:59,061 --> 00:54:02,021 I think all that was playing from when Will went 1008 00:54:02,848 --> 00:54:04,502 up there and visited him. 1009 00:54:05,067 --> 00:54:09,071 I think that's when they really, you know, set everything in motion. 1010 00:54:21,606 --> 00:54:23,912 "So, the trip is winding on down. 1011 00:54:24,086 --> 00:54:26,611 One more full day, and then I'm back in the airport 1012 00:54:26,785 --> 00:54:29,048 and then back to all of my stress and misery 1013 00:54:29,222 --> 00:54:32,965 and reminders of mistakes and mayhem. At least for a while. 1014 00:54:33,705 --> 00:54:37,361 It's been a great visit, and I will most certainly be sad to leave T-Bo. 1015 00:54:37,535 --> 00:54:40,799 My loyalty is unequivocally bent to T-Bo. 1016 00:54:42,279 --> 00:54:45,543 As you know, I fell in love one time in my life so far. 1017 00:54:45,717 --> 00:54:48,154 I did not know that for sure until it happened 1018 00:54:48,894 --> 00:54:50,722 and you know what happened to all of that. 1019 00:54:51,766 --> 00:54:54,465 As much as I have tried to pick up the pieces and move on, 1020 00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:56,641 I have been unable to do so. 1021 00:54:57,816 --> 00:54:59,470 Roger Waters says, 1022 00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:03,648 'The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in... 1023 00:55:04,823 --> 00:55:06,912 ...gives way and suddenly it's day again.' 1024 00:55:08,740 --> 00:55:11,569 I'm fairly convinced that the only way I can turn that song off 1025 00:55:11,743 --> 00:55:14,354 is to go far away from all the people I know, 1026 00:55:15,007 --> 00:55:18,402 Mistakes I continue to make, problems I am ducking. 1027 00:55:19,098 --> 00:55:19,968 All of it." 1028 00:55:41,816 --> 00:55:43,122 "I just need to go. 1029 00:55:44,123 --> 00:55:46,473 I have a place to go and I have a plan. 1030 00:55:47,169 --> 00:55:49,607 The 'saying goodbye' shit is what's so damned hard." 1031 00:56:00,966 --> 00:56:05,449 To hear that T-Bo did that to Will... 1032 00:56:05,927 --> 00:56:10,105 Will fed on his... sickness, 1033 00:56:11,063 --> 00:56:12,281 and I think that... 1034 00:56:15,023 --> 00:56:19,027 ...he pushed T-Bo to... 1035 00:56:20,115 --> 00:56:21,726 ...to where they are. 1036 00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:24,293 I just would have never guessed in a million years. 1037 00:56:24,468 --> 00:56:28,559 I would have never guessed. And I've known him my whole life, 1038 00:56:28,733 --> 00:56:31,126 and I would have never guessed it would have been this way. 1039 00:56:31,300 --> 00:56:32,476 I mean, I knew Will. 1040 00:56:32,650 --> 00:56:34,129 Will was the smart one. 1041 00:56:34,869 --> 00:56:36,741 T-Bo was the mischievous one. 1042 00:56:38,482 --> 00:56:40,005 I don't know. 1043 00:56:41,615 --> 00:56:45,445 I knew the guy was, was unhappy about, you know, a lot of things, 1044 00:56:45,619 --> 00:56:50,450 which he had a, he had a good reason to be. But not to end his life. 1045 00:56:51,059 --> 00:56:54,672 Because Will would just come up with some really weird sayings sometimes, 1046 00:56:54,846 --> 00:56:56,935 you know? He was a character, you know? 1047 00:56:57,109 --> 00:57:00,025 He said, "Yes, I'm gonna drive this thing into the ground." 1048 00:57:00,678 --> 00:57:03,332 You know... he didn't know really what he was talking about. 1049 00:57:03,507 --> 00:57:08,033 The last thing you're thinking is that he's gonna end his life. 1050 00:57:08,207 --> 00:57:13,517 I can see him running away, but I can't see Will wanting to die. You know? 1051 00:57:14,169 --> 00:57:16,563 He wouldn't hurt nobody. He certainly didn't want to hurt himself. 1052 00:57:16,737 --> 00:57:20,132 "Rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in..." 1053 00:57:20,306 --> 00:57:23,527 He liked Pink Floyd and he liked the Beatles a tremendous amount, too. 1054 00:57:23,701 --> 00:57:26,617 But that's just writing, That doesn't mean that's... that those were actions. 1055 00:57:26,791 --> 00:57:29,750 I mean, were those plans or were those just poetry? 1056 00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,754 T-Bo, he was the one who had the gun, you know, 1057 00:57:33,928 --> 00:57:36,365 he was the one that drove all the way here. 1058 00:57:36,540 --> 00:57:37,715 Will was just... 1059 00:57:38,716 --> 00:57:40,848 ...cleaning carpet and air ducts, 1060 00:57:41,022 --> 00:57:43,895 living his life, being as happy as he could be. 1061 00:57:44,722 --> 00:57:45,897 T-Bo showed up... 1062 00:57:47,072 --> 00:57:49,944 ...and everything changed for, for, for both of them at that point. 1063 00:57:50,118 --> 00:57:53,295 Will could have got out of that car any time. Will chose that. 1064 00:57:53,470 --> 00:57:56,037 He chose to take it to the end with his brother. 1065 00:57:56,211 --> 00:58:00,651 He, he chose to be there to support him, to, to love him. 1066 00:58:00,825 --> 00:58:04,263 I, I guess no one will ever really know... 1067 00:58:06,178 --> 00:58:07,962 ...the truth, you know? 1068 00:58:09,050 --> 00:58:12,184 All I can say is Will loved his brother that much... 1069 00:58:14,752 --> 00:58:16,667 ...that, that he's willing to die for him. 1070 00:58:20,235 --> 00:58:24,675 In retrospect, certainly, it has a form and almost predictability 1071 00:58:24,849 --> 00:58:28,200 that these two were going to ride off the... 1072 00:58:28,374 --> 00:58:30,245 if not off the edge of the Grand Canyon, 1073 00:58:30,419 --> 00:58:31,725 were just going to certainly go out 1074 00:58:31,899 --> 00:58:34,989 in a kind of blaze of self-destructiveness. 1075 00:58:35,163 --> 00:58:37,949 I, I won't call it glory, because suicide, 1076 00:58:38,123 --> 00:58:41,126 it leaves everybody else with a great burden 1077 00:58:41,909 --> 00:58:46,435 of sorrow and guilt that those who are gone have, have left off. 1078 00:58:46,610 --> 00:58:50,788 You know what triggered it and said, "That's it, I'm, I'm done with this." Like... 1079 00:58:52,311 --> 00:58:54,356 Something really bad went wrong. I don't... 1080 00:58:54,922 --> 00:58:58,665 Like I-- I question it all the time. I don't, I don't understand. 1081 00:58:59,274 --> 00:59:02,147 But, I mean, I think the military and whoever treated him 1082 00:59:02,321 --> 00:59:05,280 deserves, you know, to answer those questions. 1083 00:59:05,454 --> 00:59:07,456 I mean, there's just a lot of maybes in it, 1084 00:59:07,935 --> 00:59:10,198 that, you know, we'll never get the answers to. 1085 00:59:10,938 --> 00:59:14,812 He f-- he felt in his mind he failed when those kids died, 1086 00:59:14,986 --> 00:59:18,598 and he committed the ultimate sin in his mind 1087 00:59:18,772 --> 00:59:20,644 by letting those two kids die. 1088 00:59:20,818 --> 00:59:23,734 It's scary because you just never know 1089 00:59:23,908 --> 00:59:27,651 what you'll see, you know, or what's inside somebody that you just don't see. 1090 00:59:28,173 --> 00:59:31,219 If I lost my arm in combat, motherfuckers would look at me and go, 1091 00:59:31,393 --> 00:59:35,484 "Fuck, dude, you're badass. You lost an arm and you fucking kept on going? 1092 00:59:35,659 --> 00:59:37,791 And you're, you're moving forward with your life? 1093 00:59:37,965 --> 00:59:39,488 That's hardcore, that's super tough. 1094 00:59:39,663 --> 00:59:41,708 You did your job, you served your country." 1095 00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:45,625 But I look at you and go, "Dude, I can't sleep at night. 1096 00:59:45,799 --> 00:59:47,409 I've got these horrible fucking nightmares, 1097 00:59:47,584 --> 00:59:49,281 and I think crazy thoughts, 1098 00:59:49,455 --> 00:59:51,718 and I'm walking down the street and I smell something, 1099 00:59:51,892 --> 00:59:54,373 and all of sudden, I'm right back to where I was when I-- 1100 00:59:54,547 --> 00:59:56,288 this horrible thing happened to me." 1101 00:59:57,463 --> 00:59:59,639 They're going to look at him and go, "You fucking pussy. 1102 01:00:01,467 --> 01:00:02,860 Man up or pant up. 1103 01:00:03,425 --> 01:00:05,689 Put your big girl pants on, move forward." 1104 01:00:13,566 --> 01:00:15,437 The fact that he had PTSD, 1105 01:00:16,264 --> 01:00:19,354 the fact that he, you know, killed himself. 1106 01:00:19,528 --> 01:00:23,445 He did those things, but that's not really the man that he was, you know? 1107 01:00:24,098 --> 01:00:28,102 That was a small glimpse of his entire life, and a horrible glimpse. 1108 01:00:28,276 --> 01:00:31,584 He wasn't a marine suffering from PTSD. 1109 01:00:31,758 --> 01:00:34,152 He was a marine. 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