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00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:53.719 I think the man is a high-tech terrorist. 17 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:53.960 I think the man is a high-tech terrorist. 18 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:55.079 A high-tech terrorist. 19 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:56.119 A traitor, a treasonous. 20 00:00:56.359 --> 00:00:59.359 He has to answer for what he has done. 21 00:00:59.799 --> 00:01:02.320 Assange faces up to 175 years in prison 22 00:01:02.320 --> 00:01:03.920 for publishing classified documents, 23 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:04.400 for publishing classified documents 24 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:05.920 exposing U.S. war crimes 25 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:06.920 in Iraq and Afghanistan. 26 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.159 He has been detained since the 7th of 27 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.680 December 2010 in one form or another. 28 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:15.680 And we are now here 29 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.359 after years of imprisonment. 30 00:01:19.519 --> 00:01:21.760 [Prison door slamming loudly] 31 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:43.159 [Mysterious, tense harp music] 32 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.079 [Atmospheric, sustained drone music] 33 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:54.079 [Heavy wind gust] 34 00:01:54.840 --> 00:01:58.840 Julian Paul Assange was born in 1971 35 00:01:58.840 --> 00:02:00.760 in Townsville, Australia. 36 00:02:03.599 --> 00:02:06.760 In 2006, he founded WikiLeaks, 37 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:08.319 a non-profit media 38 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:10.479 organisation with the aim to provide 39 00:02:11.039 --> 00:02:14.280 an innovative, secure and anonymous way 40 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:16.360 for sources to leak information. 41 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:23.840 In April 2010, the organization came to 42 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.199 international attention when they 43 00:02:26.199 --> 00:02:29.520 released a video showing a war crime by 44 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:31.800 the US military in Iraq. 45 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:38.000 In may 2010, Private Manning was arrested and charged 46 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:39.599 with leaking classified documents to Wikileaks, 47 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:41.800 including the video previously mentioned, 48 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:43.400 the U.S. Diplomatic Cables, 49 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:46.719 and reports that came to be known as The Afghan War Diary 50 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:48.439 and The Iraq War Logs. 51 00:02:51.120 --> 00:02:53.840 In July 2010 they released an 52 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:57.479 extraordinary compendium of over 91,000 53 00:02:57.479 --> 00:02:58.319 internal US military logs 54 00:02:58.319 --> 00:03:00.000 of the war in Afghanistan, 55 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:02.199 which revealed 195 56 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:04.240 previously unreported civilian deaths. 57 00:03:07.319 --> 00:03:11.800 In August 2010, global mainstream media 58 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.759 published stories accusing Julian Assange 59 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:17.280 of raping two women in Sweden. 60 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:20.719 In October 2010, 61 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:22.960 WikiLeaks released the largest 62 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:25.919 classified military leak in history, 63 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:28.000 the Iraq war logs. 64 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.759 These logs revealed 15,000 previously 65 00:03:31.759 --> 00:03:33.919 unreported civilian deaths. 66 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.879 In November 2010 they published Cablegate, 67 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.439 the largest set of confidential documents 68 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:42.960 ever released to the public, 69 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:45.879 giving us an unprecedented insight 70 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:48.439 into the US Government's foreign activities. 71 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:52.680 Just nine days later, Assange was 72 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.360 arrested at a London police station on a 73 00:03:55.360 --> 00:03:57.879 European arrest warrant in relation to 74 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:59.800 the Swedish allegation. 75 00:04:01.560 --> 00:04:04.159 Meanwhile, US officials confirmed to the 76 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:06.039 Australian Embassy in Washington 77 00:04:06.039 --> 00:04:07.840 that the Justice Department 78 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.159 was conducting an active vigorous inquiry 79 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:11.719 into whether Assange could 80 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:13.680 be charged under the US law, 81 00:04:14.120 --> 00:04:16.079 most likely the Espionage Act. 82 00:04:16.680 --> 00:04:18.439 Two weeks later, the Australian 83 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:20.199 Embassy in London advised the 84 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:22.560 Australian government that media reports 85 00:04:22.560 --> 00:04:25.000 of a secret grand jury in the US against 86 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.160 WikiLeaks were likely true. 87 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:30.120 On the 16th of December, 88 00:04:30.519 --> 00:04:32.040 Assange was released on bail. 89 00:04:32.040 --> 00:04:33.639 His passport was confiscated. 90 00:04:34.240 --> 00:04:35.399 He was under house arrest 91 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:37.120 for the next two years. 92 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.519 In November 2011, the UK's Supreme Court, 93 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:46.160 ruled Assange, should be 94 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:47.680 extradited to Sweden 95 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.319 to face questioning of the allegation. 96 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:54.399 In June 2012, to avoid being taken into 97 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:57.360 custody by Sweden and then extradited to the US 98 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:58.759 Assange took asylum in the 99 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:00.800 Ecuadorian Embassy in London. 100 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:05.360 In the second half of 2016, the company 101 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:06.600 contracted to provide 102 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:08.199 security services at the embassy 103 00:05:08.600 --> 00:05:10.720 by the government of Ecuador began assisting the 104 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.920 CIA in spying on Assange and his visitors in the embassy. 105 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:16.000 They uploaded the security camera footage to an 106 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.120 FTP server and gave the CIA access to it. 107 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.720 In March 2017, WikiLeaks published Vault 7, 108 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:26.319 detailing the activities and capabilities of the 109 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.000 CIA to perform electronic surveillance and cyber 110 00:05:30.000 --> 00:05:33.000 warfare through smartphones and other devices. 111 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.560 It was the largest leak 112 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.199 in the history of the CIA. 113 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:39.399 In April 2017, the US said that it was now a 114 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:42.439 priority to arrest Assange. 115 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:47.199 In August 2017, Trump offered Assange a pardon 116 00:05:47.199 --> 00:05:49.439 if he would disclose who was responsible for 117 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.279 leaking Democratic Party emails to WikiLeaks 118 00:05:52.279 --> 00:05:55.639 before the 2016 US presidential elections. 119 00:05:55.639 --> 00:05:57.959 Assange refused to give up the source. 120 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.600 In December 2017, the US government gave the UK 121 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.079 government a sealed warrant for Assange's arrest. 122 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:09.319 In February 2019, the Ecuadorian government 123 00:06:09.319 --> 00:06:12.360 received loans of $10.2 billion from various 124 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.240 multilateral institutions of which 125 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:16.000 the US is the majority shareholder. 126 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:20.240 The loans were provided with the agreement that 127 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:22.279 Assange could be removed from the embassy. 128 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:27.319 In April 2019, UK police entered the 129 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:28.439 Embassy of Ecuador, 130 00:06:28.439 --> 00:06:30.639 forcibly carried Julian Assange 131 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:33.720 out of the building and took him away in van. 132 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.920 On the same day, the US indictment 133 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:38.439 against him was unsealed, 134 00:06:38.439 --> 00:06:41.439 charging him with one count of computer intrusion. 135 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.759 He was sentenced to 50 weeks in jail 136 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.720 for breaching his bail conditions, 137 00:06:47.720 --> 00:06:51.439 With the sentence to be carried out in Belmarsh Prison. 138 00:06:51.439 --> 00:06:54.600 In the same month, Sweden reopened 139 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:56.959 the sexual assault investigation 140 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:01.360 and the US filed 17 new charges against himโ€. 141 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:05.120 In February 2020, the extradition hearing 142 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.319 began at Woolwich Crown Court in London. 143 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:12.680 In June 2020, the US Department of 144 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:13.920 Justice issued an 145 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:17.120 updated 18 count indictment. 146 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:20.079 If he faced trial in the US and was found guilty, 147 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:21.560 he would face a sentence 148 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:25.199 of 175 years in prison. 149 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.839 In November 2020 Sweden dropped the rape case 150 00:07:28.839 --> 00:07:30.639 after reviewing the evidence. 151 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.680 On 4th January 2021, Judge Baraitser 152 00:07:35.680 --> 00:07:37.199 ruled that Assange could not be 153 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:38.920 extradited due to his mental 154 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:41.120 health and risk of suicide. 155 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:46.959 In October 2021, in a two-day appeal by the US, 156 00:07:46.959 --> 00:07:50.959 UK judges ruled in favor of the US 157 00:07:50.959 --> 00:07:52.600 and overturned the 158 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.120 decision not to extradite Assange. 159 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.600 In April 2022, the Westminster 160 00:08:00.600 --> 00:08:03.560 Magistrates' Court formally issued an 161 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:05.920 order to extradite Assange. 162 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:08.839 Eight weeks later, UK Home Secretary 163 00:08:08.839 --> 00:08:12.399 Priti Patel signed off on the order. 164 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.879 In June 2023, London's High Court Justice 165 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:19.360 Jonathan Swift, rejected two separate applications 166 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:21.199 made by Assange's lawyers 167 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:22.680 to appeal his extradition, 168 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:25.439 striking down all submitted grounds. 169 00:08:28.199 --> 00:08:31.079 In February 2024, Assange's lawyers began 170 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.399 an application for a final appeal against 171 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.480 his extradition with the UK High Court. 172 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.039 Five weeks later, the court issued a 173 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:40.120 written judgement that an 174 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:41.360 appeal would be heard unless 175 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.559 the U.S. administration was able to provide 176 00:08:47.720 --> 00:08:49.120 level of national and 177 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:50.600 international interest around 178 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:51.399 the case. 179 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:55.919 In April 2024, a U.S. D.O.J. attorney 180 00:08:55.919 --> 00:08:58.080 stationed in Europe sent an email to 181 00:08:58.080 --> 00:08:59.720 colleagues back home stating: 182 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.279 "The urgency here has now reached a critical point," 183 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.360 adding, "The case will head to appeal 184 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:08.600 and we will lose." 185 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:13.360 In May 2024, the UK courts found the U.S. 186 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:15.279 assurances regarding free speech 187 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.720 protections and discrimination to be insufficient. 188 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.080 Permission for Assange's 189 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.279 defence to appeal was granted and the 190 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:23.080 appeal hearing was 191 00:09:23.080 --> 00:09:25.720 scheduled for seven weeks' time. 192 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:31.000 On 24 June 2024, two weeks before the 193 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:32.519 appeal hearing was to begin, 194 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:33.840 a plea bargain was struck 195 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:35.720 where Assange would plead guilty to a 196 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.039 single charge under the 197 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:38.879 Espionage Act in exchange 198 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:40.600 for his immediate release. 199 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:43.279 He would be required to admit to one of 200 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:45.720 the 18 counts of the indictment: 201 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:47.960 "conspiring to unlawfully obtain and 202 00:09:47.960 --> 00:09:49.200 disseminate classified 203 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:51.399 national defence information." 204 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:54.120 Assange was released from Belmarsh prison 205 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:57.360 and boarded a chartered flight to Saipan. 206 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:02.600 On the 26th of June, 2024, a U.S. judge in 207 00:10:02.600 --> 00:10:05.440 Saipan accepted Assange's guilty plea. 208 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:07.960 Assange left the courthouse a free man 209 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:08.919 and returned to the 210 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:10.559 chartered flight for the final 211 00:10:10.559 --> 00:10:12.159 leg of the journey. 212 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:13.159 His plane arrived in 213 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:15.159 Canberra, Australia that evening. 214 00:10:15.480 --> 00:10:17.960 After thirteen years of being detained in one 215 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:19.399 form or another, 216 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:21.720 Assange was finally free. 217 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:25.240 The following interviews took place 218 00:10:25.240 --> 00:10:28.320 whilst Assange was still being detained indefinitely 219 00:10:28.320 --> 00:10:30.159 at Belmarsh prison. 220 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:31.039 was still being detained indefinitely at Belmarsh prison. 221 00:10:32.039 --> 00:10:36.840 [mysterious xylophone music] 222 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:39.919 Most people have heard of him in relation 223 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:41.799 to the Swedish 224 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:44.519 trumped up rape allegations. 225 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:50.240 And it's really important to debunk them, 226 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:54.799 to explain the role of the media in 227 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.240 mischaracterizing the case and 228 00:10:58.679 --> 00:10:59.720 creating a smear campaign. 229 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:05.320 [Mysterious xylophone music] 230 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:08.279 The Swedish case is one of the most 231 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:12.200 anomalous crime investigations I have ever 232 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:12.240 anomalous crime investigation I have ever 233 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:13.480 seen as a journalist. 234 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.919 Two women went to the police for having 235 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:21.440 Julian Assange testing for sexually 236 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:24.000 transmitted illness. 237 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:28.279 The evidence was really manufactured 238 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:30.000 and turned out to be complete 239 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.360 distortion of the actual situation 240 00:11:33.360 --> 00:11:37.159 where two women wanted him to get an HIV test, 241 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:38.679 not to have him 242 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:40.639 prosecuted in any way. 243 00:11:40.639 --> 00:11:42.519 And they were distraught 244 00:11:42.519 --> 00:11:44.120 that he was being prosecuted. 245 00:11:44.519 --> 00:11:46.000 The public understanding 246 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.639 of this case was terrible. 247 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:50.320 The people couldn't 248 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:53.240 understand what was really going on. 249 00:11:53.480 --> 00:11:55.360 The UN special rapporteur on torture, 250 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:57.039 Nils Melzer, 251 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:58.679 he reads and speaks Swedish. 252 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.799 So he was able to read the preliminary 253 00:12:01.799 --> 00:12:04.159 investigation documentation and 254 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:08.360 to expose at least 40 perceived 255 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:10.679 violations of due process, 256 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:12.600 including active 257 00:12:12.600 --> 00:12:14.440 manipulation of evidence. 258 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:18.720 The case was opened in 2010, closed in 259 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:20.919 2010 after five days, 260 00:12:21.360 --> 00:12:24.600 reopening in 2010, kept artificially 261 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.399 open for six years when it was finally 262 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.240 questioned in November 2016 263 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.600 and in May 2017 the prosecutor 264 00:12:35.919 --> 00:12:39.120 Marianne Ny closed the investigation and 265 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:43.799 dismissed the case and then when Julian 266 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:47.440 was arrested in April 2019 267 00:12:47.440 --> 00:12:49.960 a new Swedish prosecutor reopened 268 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:50.480 the case but of course there 269 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:51.480 was no real.. there was no case at all. 270 00:12:51.480 --> 00:12:53.200 was no real.. there was no case at all. 271 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:55.000 So she closed the investigation 272 00:12:55.000 --> 00:12:57.879 once and for all in November 2019 273 00:12:57.960 --> 00:12:59.480 [Door slamming] 274 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:01.879 and there were never charges. 275 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:05.080 You know this case was just a 276 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.519 preliminary investigation Julian was 277 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:09.240 never ever charged for 278 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.440 rape and I can assure you that if they 279 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:14.840 had any evidence they could have 280 00:13:14.840 --> 00:13:16.919 immediately charged him 281 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:21.559 and immediately put him on trial and they didn't. 282 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:23.480 This case has been 283 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:25.879 used to destroy his reputation 284 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:29.120 his credibility and to focus the public 285 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:31.679 opinion attention on a 286 00:13:31.679 --> 00:13:33.600 rape case that never was. 287 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:36.519 It was just part of this manipulated 288 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:39.080 firestorm that was created in 289 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.759 an effort to bring Assange down 290 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.840 Since 2015 I have been engaging in a real 291 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:47.480 trench warfare to 292 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.600 access the full documentation 293 00:13:50.039 --> 00:13:53.360 because this allowed to answer to that 294 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:54.840 crucial question why 295 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:56.840 Julian was inside the embassy 296 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.519 with no end in sight and the reason was 297 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:03.840 that it was the UK authorities 298 00:14:03.840 --> 00:14:05.480 who had told the 299 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:08.519 Swedish prosecutors not to go to London 300 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:09.759 to question him 301 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.240 and by doing this they had created 302 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:15.559 this legal paralysis. 303 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.600 [Mysterious xylophone music] 304 00:14:19.840 --> 00:14:23.080 Once WikiLeaks published Vault 7 305 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:29.000 it was of course targeted by the CIA 306 00:14:29.000 --> 00:14:31.159 and the intelligence community 307 00:14:31.159 --> 00:14:34.159 and part of that smear campaign 308 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:37.679 was to paint WikiLeaks as a 309 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.320 surrogate or a front for a hostile power i.e. Russia. 310 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.919 The Mueller report which investigated 311 00:14:44.919 --> 00:14:48.120 the Trump Russia saga and found no 312 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:52.679 collaboration between the Trump campaign and Russia 313 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:54.399 exonerated WikiLeaks. 314 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.159 So there's zero evidence 315 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.960 that Russia provided any 316 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:02.840 leaks or information to WikiLeaks. 317 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.279 It should also be clear that WikiLeaks 318 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:06.960 published over 700,000 319 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:09.600 files on Russia itself which wouldn't 320 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:12.120 endear WikiLeaks or Julian to the Kremlin 321 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:16.039 [Mysterious xylophone music] 322 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.519 One of the arguments we hear about why 323 00:15:18.519 --> 00:15:19.840 Julian Assange should be 324 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:21.200 targeted from those who believe 325 00:15:21.200 --> 00:15:23.679 he should is that he somehow put people 326 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:25.440 at risk but what we've seen 327 00:15:25.440 --> 00:15:26.879 in more than 10 years now is 328 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:28.840 a complete failure by the US government 329 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.679 to present any evidence of any concrete 330 00:15:31.679 --> 00:15:33.360 harm caused to anybody. 331 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.639 At Chelsea Manning's trial at Fort Meade 332 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:38.399 which I attended, the charge 333 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.039 was made that lives were put at risk 334 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.240 through the disclosure of 335 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.799 information provided by WikiLeaks, 336 00:15:45.799 --> 00:15:48.000 but even in that trial 337 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.159 the prosecution had to admit that that was not true. 338 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.080 [Mysterious xylophone music] 339 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:57.720 Apart from the CIA, 340 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:01.039 even journalistic enemies needed to cut him 341 00:16:01.039 --> 00:16:03.399 out from the from the 342 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.679 the protections that uh would surround a journalist. 343 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:08.120 They needed something to distinguish it 344 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:09.919 and they couldn't really get one except this one 345 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:10.879 ah they fell they fell 346 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:12.080 upon this one he didn't redact. 347 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:17.679 It couldn't have been a more contrary position put. 348 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:18.360 In the final 349 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:20.039 weeks he had this material 350 00:16:20.799 --> 00:16:23.720 in his possession and the final weeks 351 00:16:23.720 --> 00:16:25.279 The Guardian, The New York 352 00:16:25.279 --> 00:16:27.159 Times and Der Spiegel 353 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:30.279 became involved in processing and sifting 354 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.759 through this material and 355 00:16:32.759 --> 00:16:34.279 had agreed on a joint launch. 356 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:35.879 The guy that redacted it, 357 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.320 that tried to put a halt to it, 358 00:16:39.399 --> 00:16:41.159 was not any one of them. 359 00:16:41.159 --> 00:16:44.399 The only one that said delay, was Julian Assange 360 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.440 and I was with him absolutely with him 361 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:47.279 and I'll say this in any 362 00:16:48.080 --> 00:16:50.879 court certainly in an American court. 363 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.000 He was the one that firstly 364 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:54.240 tried to call a halt to it, 365 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.639 but it was Julian who tried to stop the 366 00:16:57.639 --> 00:17:00.320 release until that full 367 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:01.360 redaction had been done. 368 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:07.039 From Thursday to the early hours 369 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:10.559 of Monday morning to redact 370 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:12.279 and I was with him, 371 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:14.440 we were sharing an apartment. 372 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:17.839 He redacted 10,000 names 373 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:20.279 by himself quite literally 374 00:17:20.279 --> 00:17:22.200 he stayed up you know all night 375 00:17:22.200 --> 00:17:25.680 on the main night that he sort of cracked it 376 00:17:26.480 --> 00:17:30.440 I left him you know I saw him at 2am he was at it 377 00:17:30.440 --> 00:17:32.000 and I next saw him 378 00:17:32.000 --> 00:17:33.680 at 9am he was still at it. 379 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:35.839 That was the the fundamental work 380 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:40.000 that made that tranche of 381 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.960 documents safe. 382 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:44.559 There was 96 media partners 383 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:45.960 carefully redacting 384 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:51.519 the cables until David Leigh and Luke Harding 385 00:17:51.519 --> 00:17:54.480 published the password in their book. 386 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:57.279 He had a great sense of 387 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.400 responsibility for the material for the 388 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.000 source who provided the 389 00:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.359 material and for the material itself. 390 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.200 He went to great pains, 391 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:11.480 he contacted Hillary Clinton to ask 392 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:14.400 for help in redacting names, 393 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.640 he offered that to the US government 394 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:18.400 and they declined. 395 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.519 The US military accounts of local informers that 396 00:18:22.519 --> 00:18:24.720 they have they're given in 397 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:26.480 some detail... Yeah well, we've 398 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:27.920 withheld all those. 399 00:18:27.920 --> 00:18:29.119 Do you lie awake at 400 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:30.000 night wondering whether 401 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.279 you have found all of those 402 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:35.039 whether you, you know... They have they have 403 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:38.440 a particular code .. 404 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:39.480 particular code within the 405 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:40.480 within the reports. 406 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:42.880 So you excise those as best you can.. 407 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:43.960 It wasn't too hard, 408 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:45.880 now that said it is possible 409 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:48.240 I mean, there may be a stray report here or 410 00:18:48.240 --> 00:18:50.240 a stray report there.. 411 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:53.240 the choice, in the end we are forced to make hard choices 412 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:54.799 and those hard choices are 413 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:58.000 do we do best effort to 414 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.640 minimize harm which we have done, 415 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:02.839 with the understanding that this is an 416 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:05.960 extraordinary body of 417 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:07.839 material capable of producing 418 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:10.279 extraordinary reforms. 419 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:11.079 So what i want to 420 00:19:11.079 --> 00:19:12.759 say to people looking at this 421 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:13.440 if you think 422 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.039 Assange is a traitor, he's a rapist, 423 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:19.440 he's a narcissist he's a hacker, 424 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:20.680 I don't blame you, 425 00:19:21.160 --> 00:19:23.359 because you have been deceived 426 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:25.200 and if you think you've not been deceived, 427 00:19:25.640 --> 00:19:27.200 that's normal because 428 00:19:27.200 --> 00:19:28.440 otherwise it wouldn't be deception. 429 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:34.799 [strong wind gust] 430 00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:38.440 [Contemplative piano and string music] 431 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:40.640 What if everything we thought we knew 432 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:42.559 about somebody, was a lie? 433 00:19:43.400 --> 00:19:45.759 Would we have the courage to see through it 434 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:47.960 with a fresh perspective? 435 00:19:48.839 --> 00:19:51.319 Would we be willing to go on a new 436 00:19:51.319 --> 00:19:53.039 journey of understanding? 437 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.480 This is a story of deception, lies, 438 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:02.759 bravery, and a man who risked everything 439 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.000 to bring the truth to light. 440 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:14.799 [Traffic noise] 441 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:18.640 [Atmospheric, sustained music] 442 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:29.160 We're in the Redmond 443 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:30.680 Barry Lecture Theatre, which 444 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:32.799 is where we had those physics lectures, 445 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:34.160 and it's at the University of Melbourne 446 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:35.680 with Julian as a student. 447 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:37.319 Yeah, he was sitting here. 448 00:20:37.319 --> 00:20:38.279 There's a couple of us who 449 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:40.039 went to the lectures together. 450 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:44.000 There wasn't many actually students that 451 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:45.400 had the crossover between physics, 452 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:46.799 science, the hard sciences 453 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:48.000 and politics and philosophy. 454 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:50.200 So it was really lovely to engage with someone 455 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:52.400 who was thinking about both of 456 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:53.759 those things and how to marry up those 457 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:57.319 kind of ideas of logic and political thought. 458 00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:59.759 But that ability to, one, think clearly, 459 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:03.599 critically from original perspectives and 460 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:05.680 two, to have no fear in communicating them. 461 00:21:06.119 --> 00:21:07.319 To think outside the box, 462 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:09.480 to think from a different angle. 463 00:21:12.319 --> 00:21:15.680 It was clear that he was incredibly adept 464 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:16.640 at using computers, 465 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:19.000 miles ahead of, I think, 466 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:20.640 where most of us were with what we were 467 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:21.799 learning in science and 468 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:23.279 actually I think ahead of a 469 00:21:23.279 --> 00:21:23.799 lot of the computer 470 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:25.119 science courses at the time. 471 00:21:26.240 --> 00:21:28.920 There was a solar eclipse and the arc was 472 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:30.279 to go through south Australia 473 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:31.759 like a narrow window through the world. 474 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:34.200 Me, Julian and another mate of ours, 475 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:36.000 crammed into a car and we just 476 00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:37.559 went on a road trip. 477 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:39.920 Julian shared a whole bunch of his songs 478 00:21:39.920 --> 00:21:40.559 that he'd collected 479 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:41.359 from I don't know where, 480 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:42.799 but a bunch of amazing, 481 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:44.200 interesting science songs. 482 00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:49.000 Tom Lehrer and Monty Python and all this 483 00:21:49.000 --> 00:21:52.480 eclectic mix of scientific music, 484 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:54.720 people who are communicating science concepts, 485 00:21:54.720 --> 00:21:56.440 really advanced physics concepts. 486 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.400 Gauss's law, Ampere's law of electro-magnetism. 487 00:21:59.480 --> 00:22:01.319 [Very fast singing: "Europium, zirconium, lutetium.."] 488 00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:03.200 ["vanadium, and lanthanum and osmium"] 489 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:06.000 It was wonderful, incredibly nerdy, but 490 00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:08.480 lovely experience to be 491 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.440 introduced to on that trip. 492 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:16.079 Often we have conversations where we 493 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:18.799 don't want to make anyone 494 00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:20.480 uncomfortable or embarrass 495 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:23.319 anyone or call out something which will 496 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:24.200 ruin a dinner party 497 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:25.359 or cause some friction. 498 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:26.440 But actually Julian was 499 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:27.359 really fearless with it. 500 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:29.319 He had no compunction. 501 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:32.480 I got to know Julian because I was part 502 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.279 of an early internet 503 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:35.799 community here in Melbourne. 504 00:22:36.880 --> 00:22:43.039 He was quirky, a observer of people, 505 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:46.200 clearly very smart. 506 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:48.440 He wasn't that interested in 507 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:50.200 what people thought of him. 508 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:53.359 Part of that I think is a little bit of 509 00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:54.920 autism spectrum in 510 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:55.920 that he didn't notice it. 511 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:59.279 One of the things that he became most 512 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:02.240 interested in trying to address 513 00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:04.759 was the issue of corruption. 514 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:10.279 He is at heart deeply, um intellectual, 515 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:11.319 deeply thinker. 516 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:12.759 He was very interested in 517 00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:14.839 core root problems of things. 518 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:16.240 Where does the system 519 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.880 fall down at the foundation? 520 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:22.160 Corruption being something that if it was fixed, 521 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.240 would have this kindof enormous flow-on effect. 522 00:23:25.640 --> 00:23:28.319 It would reduce inequity in society. 523 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:30.359 Poor people would be less poor. 524 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.759 Also, there'd be just less of a sense of 525 00:23:32.759 --> 00:23:34.640 injustice across society. 526 00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.839 He's such a super intellect that can burn 527 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:39.799 through the information. 528 00:23:39.839 --> 00:23:42.839 I've never seen anybody so focused. 529 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:47.359 He would just stay up for a day, all day 530 00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:48.680 and all night researching things. 531 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:53.920 The way he came to form WikiLeaks was a 532 00:23:53.920 --> 00:23:56.400 kind of an iterative process over time. 533 00:23:57.039 --> 00:23:59.400 It was like winemaking, you know? 534 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:01.119 He had a lot of ingredients, 535 00:24:01.119 --> 00:24:02.359 had to be fine-tuned. 536 00:24:02.759 --> 00:24:07.079 He had whiteboards that he'd rescued from tips, 537 00:24:07.079 --> 00:24:10.440 so his house had whiteboards in every room. 538 00:24:10.599 --> 00:24:12.440 Some people have paintings or posters. 539 00:24:13.279 --> 00:24:13.799 And most of the 540 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:15.039 whiteboards were filled with things. 541 00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:17.279 Sometimes they were equations. 542 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.720 Sometimes the equations were filled with 543 00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:21.240 just words and 544 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.960 reflecting a mathematical language 545 00:24:24.359 --> 00:24:26.400 of social phenomena. 546 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:29.559 And what he could see was that 547 00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:32.039 information was becoming 548 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.960 transferable, copyable at little 549 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:38.279 to no cost in large quantities. 550 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:42.440 And so that churning desire for this 551 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:43.960 deeper social change 552 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:48.000 combined with these other overlays 553 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:51.039 enabled by technology, I think just meant 554 00:24:51.039 --> 00:24:52.319 that everything came together 555 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:53.519 at the right moment for him. 556 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.319 My first contact with this was when 557 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:59.240 Julian sent me an email 558 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.119 describing to some extent 559 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:03.359 this project he had in mind of WikiLeaks. 560 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:05.240 The idea was to put out secrets, 561 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:07.240 classified secrets, of governments. 562 00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:10.839 And that seemed to me extremely unlikely 563 00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:12.039 that you could really 564 00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:14.000 circumvent the National 565 00:25:14.039 --> 00:25:15.039 Security Agency. 566 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.920 What Julian's idea was for WikiLeaks was 567 00:25:18.920 --> 00:25:20.000 that maybe we don't need 568 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:20.960 to go through our mainstream 569 00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:22.160 journalistic channels. 570 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:25.559 There is an ability that encryption can 571 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:26.480 give you, if it's done 572 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:28.359 in the right way, to allow 573 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:30.440 protection of that information, 574 00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:31.920 say of a really valuable source, 575 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.440 a really valuable piece of information. 576 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:39.480 It's a really courageous, powerful concept 577 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:43.880 that a website could facilitate 578 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:48.279 anonymity of sources that 579 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:50.680 have information that could expose 580 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:52.119 wrongdoing by governments, 581 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:53.799 corporations, whoever it might be. 582 00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.799 What WikiLeaks did was not to treat the 583 00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:00.000 citizens of the world like 584 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.160 children, which is how the 585 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.880 politicians treat them. 586 00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:07.160 They commit their crimes, they do their 587 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.039 misdeeds, but "never in 588 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:11.160 front of the children. 589 00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:12.839 Don't let the children find 590 00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.079 out what we're really doing". 591 00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.119 Julian used to talk about the logo of WikiLeaks 592 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:19.880 when he was setting it up. 593 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:20.880 And it's like an hourglass 594 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:21.680 and there's two worlds. 595 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:22.240 There's one on the top 596 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:22.880 and one on the bottom. 597 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:25.240 The first world dripping down with 598 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:26.599 leaking into the second world. 599 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:31.559 And he said, this is a little bit of what 600 00:26:31.559 --> 00:26:36.480 the world we could make, a world informed 601 00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:38.000 by the leaks of the 602 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.119 previous world of corruption. 603 00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:41.880 And if those leaks inform the world that 604 00:26:41.880 --> 00:26:43.240 we'd like to make, it'll 605 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:44.279 make it at a better place. 606 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:46.720 And in some sense, the hourglass is, 607 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:49.359 there is some inevitability to it. 608 00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.599 That people will only sustain corruption 609 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:53.640 and wrongdoing for so long 610 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:54.839 before they feel the 611 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:56.079 need to expose it. 612 00:26:56.680 --> 00:26:58.039 He very much believed in it. 613 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:01.680 The media is completely manipulated and controlled 614 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.920 and more so now than ever before. 615 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:09.160 And so into this world came WikiLeaks. 616 00:27:09.599 --> 00:27:15.200 [Heavy, dramatic music with drums and brass] 617 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:20.079 [Camera shutter sounds] 618 00:27:20.759 --> 00:27:25.640 This disclosure is about the truth. 619 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.000 The single greatest contribution to our 620 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:30.000 expanding horizons is you. 621 00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.079 You telling your friends what's up, what 622 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:33.960 you saw, what you 623 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:35.839 believe and who's full of it. 624 00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.799 You form part of the largest bullshit 625 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:39.519 detecting machine 626 00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:40.920 the world has ever seen. 627 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:50.839 [Tense piano music] 628 00:27:52.200 --> 00:27:55.720 Information as such doesn't change the world, 629 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:59.359 especially the world in which we live today. 630 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:03.079 Where the power of the state and its 631 00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:05.519 links to the media networks 632 00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:09.240 is so strong that it's 633 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.799 not easy to fight against them. 634 00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:14.799 WikiLeaks did that and they did that 635 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:16.920 extremely intelligently. 636 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:19.240 They never made up information. 637 00:28:19.240 --> 00:28:22.039 They never manufactured information. 638 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:27.799 They just succeeded in finding documents 639 00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:29.279 that existed and making 640 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.200 them available to the world public. 641 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.079 I mean, what could be more 642 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:35.680 honorable than that? 643 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.440 Their releases are a 100 percent correct. 644 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.839 They're authentic. 645 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:46.119 There's no body of journalism can ever 646 00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:49.759 claim to be that, however good it is. 647 00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.799 So the importance of WikiLeaks 648 00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.240 can never be overstated. 649 00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:02.119 That transparency is an extraordinary 650 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.839 journalistic achievement. 651 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:08.599 What the media do is that they filter 652 00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:12.039 information and they present you with 653 00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:14.400 what they think you should know. 654 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:18.039 When I worked in a newsroom, there were 655 00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:19.559 so many instances when 656 00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:20.880 people made judgments. 657 00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:25.000 Oh, no, that's a bit too unsavory or 658 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.359 that's a bit too confronting. 659 00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.000 What Julian and WikiLeaks have done is 660 00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:32.079 that they've shown the 661 00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:33.880 way for other journalists 662 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.680 in terms of the protection of source. 663 00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:42.279 Now this anonymous Dropbox has become a 664 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:45.400 norm for media organisations all over the world. 665 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.359 And he's developed a public library of 666 00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:50.640 documents that are going 667 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.680 to be mined for generations to come 668 00:29:53.680 --> 00:29:58.319 by citizens, scholars, students, journalists. 669 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:03.240 The WikiLeaks documents will be a 670 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.319 permanent and lasting 671 00:30:05.319 --> 00:30:07.359 gain for serious historians. 672 00:30:08.799 --> 00:30:12.480 Julian Assange opened a new era 673 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:16.799 an honourable, brave, courageous era 674 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:18.440 in journalism which made 675 00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:22.200 me proud to be a journalist again. 676 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:24.559 We understood how dangerous it was 677 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:26.200 and how powerful it was 678 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:30.599 when WikiLeaks published a Kenyan 679 00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.799 government report that led to the 680 00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:35.640 changing of government in Kenya. 681 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:37.880 And it was at that point that 682 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.079 really started to understand like 683 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.079 this is you know something that is going 684 00:30:43.079 --> 00:30:43.920 to change the world. 685 00:30:46.039 --> 00:30:50.799 [Slow, heavy piano music] 686 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.200 The best journalism in my 687 00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.920 experience has always come 688 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.480 originally from a source within. 689 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:01.759 The most authentic 690 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:04.000 voices, the truthful voices, 691 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:06.240 come from within 692 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.960 governments, within organisations, 693 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:13.880 that tell you what's really going on. 694 00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.559 At critical times, in the 695 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:19.480 highest places possible, 696 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.279 you have someone with a conscience 697 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.559 who sees a piece of information, 698 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.079 or witnesses an atrocity or something, 699 00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.960 which is so against the grain 700 00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:34.759 of what is being told 701 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.240 to the public at large 702 00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.839 that this person can't take it anymore, 703 00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.559 and they feel it would be immoral 704 00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:44.920 to keep quiet. 705 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:48.000 Whistleblowers are actually highly 706 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:51.799 motivated, highly ethical people, 707 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.079 and we believe that we 708 00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:55.319 are meant to be truthful, 709 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:56.559 we are meant to follow the law. 710 00:31:57.240 --> 00:31:59.960 When we come across our own organisation, 711 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:04.319 not following our own stated 712 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:06.640 principles, we say, "Hang on." 713 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.039 The organisation is 714 00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:12.960 breaking the law, lying to us, 715 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:16.160 and unless we do something, it's not 716 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:17.359 going to fix itself. 717 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.359 Most whistleblowers say we didn't feel 718 00:32:21.359 --> 00:32:23.200 like we had a choice. 719 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:26.160 Chelsea Manning, then Bradley Manning 720 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.680 said at one point that she 721 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:28.640 was ready to go to prison 722 00:32:29.519 --> 00:32:33.880 or even be killed in capital punishment 723 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.279 in order to get this out. 724 00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.400 And I recognize that as the same mood, 725 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.039 the same imperative that 726 00:32:42.039 --> 00:32:44.519 I'd felt 39 years earlier. 727 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:50.240 [Dramatic, emotional piano and synths music] 728 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:08.079 I worked in the Defense Department as a 729 00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:09.519 special assistant to the Assistant 730 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:10.559 Secretary of Defense. 731 00:33:11.480 --> 00:33:14.359 I volunteered to go to Vietnam in 1965, 732 00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.039 and I was in the field and 733 00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:17.920 saw the war quite close up. 734 00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.759 And that made me realize that there was 735 00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:23.559 no progress of the sort that the 736 00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:24.599 president was proclaiming. 737 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:27.400 So you had a war in which many, many 738 00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:30.200 people were dying, especially of the 739 00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.440 occupied country, 10 to 1 perhaps. 740 00:33:34.039 --> 00:33:36.759 And I became aware that Nixon actually 741 00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:41.359 intended to continue it with air power, 742 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:43.680 even nuclear weapons. 743 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.039 I felt that this was a recipe for endless war 744 00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:48.960 in the sense of 745 00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:50.839 enormous moral loss of life. 746 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:54.880 I then saw Vietnam as an aberration. 747 00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:57.839 That the U.S. participation had been 748 00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.319 wrong from the start. 749 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:03.160 That it was unjustified homicide, 750 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:06.319 which meant murder, mass murder. 751 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.119 And that was something I shouldn't 752 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:11.360 compromise with or keep silent about. 753 00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:13.360 And to end that, 754 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:15.320 I was ready to go to prison for life. 755 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:20.039 In 1967, I'd been working on a study of 756 00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:22.079 the origins of the war 757 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.199 and the decision-making of the war, 758 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:27.840 a 7,000-page top-secret study. 759 00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:31.159 I took the documents out of my top-secret safe, 760 00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:32.880 copied them all on the Xerox machine, 761 00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:35.239 and ultimately sent them or gave them to 762 00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:37.079 the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. 763 00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:39.639 Then when they didn't put it out, 764 00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.599 I did get in touch with the New York Times. 765 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:42.880 And it began to be 766 00:34:42.880 --> 00:34:45.920 published in June 13, 1971. 767 00:34:46.360 --> 00:34:47.599 [Archive audio: "First to follow the times was 768 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:48.440 the Washington Post. 769 00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:49.599 They too have now been 770 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:51.039 suppressed by court order at 771 00:34:51.039 --> 00:34:51.920 the government's request. 772 00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.199 But then the Boston Globe and 773 00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:55.440 Congressman Paul McCloskey 774 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:56.880 announced they too had copies 775 00:34:56.880 --> 00:34:57.840 of the secret study."] 776 00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.239 I was charged with 12 felony counts, 777 00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:04.039 a possible 115 years in prison. 778 00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.079 During my trial, what we didn't know was 779 00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.159 that President Nixon was taking criminal 780 00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.639 actions against me secretly. 781 00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:14.519 He did various things. 782 00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:16.199 He sent people into my former 783 00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.320 psychoanalyst's office in 784 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:19.320 hopes of getting information 785 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.960 with which to blackmail me into silence. 786 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:26.840 My case was the first to be prosecuted 787 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.599 under the Espionage Act. 788 00:35:29.239 --> 00:35:31.199 All the way up here! All the way up here! 789 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:36.039 It comes out that a presidential prosecution 790 00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.679 that was started for political reasons 791 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:40.840 is ending for political reasons. 792 00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:42.760 The facts are out of the safes, just as 793 00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:44.199 the Pentagon Papers are out of the safes. 794 00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:47.639 Can it be worth telling truths at the 795 00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.440 cost of your own imprisonment 796 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:54.159 for a small chance of changing events? 797 00:35:55.280 --> 00:35:56.840 Well, yes, a war's worth 798 00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:58.480 of lives may be at stake. 799 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:00.480 [Sombre, slow piano music] 800 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:15.239 [Slow middle eastern cello music] 801 00:36:27.320 --> 00:36:30.400 [People talking in background] 802 00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.480 [Children playing in background] 803 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:43.480 As long as it was just written documents, 804 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.519 obviously the United States was very angry. 805 00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:51.559 What completely freaked them out was when 806 00:36:51.559 --> 00:36:53.639 WikiLeaks managed to 807 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.440 get hold of video archive 808 00:36:57.960 --> 00:36:58.960 Many people questioned 809 00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.360 that name as too provocative, 810 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.920 collateral murder, instead of 811 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:04.159 collateral damage, 812 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:05.840 which is the euphemism. 813 00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:09.159 But as a former Marine company commander, 814 00:37:09.440 --> 00:37:12.519 I knew enough about war law, laws of war, 815 00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.280 to know that that was in fact murder. 816 00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:18.880 There is no video of war like it in 817 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.000 history in the public domain. 818 00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:25.519 There is no videotape that shows how a 819 00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:26.320 country like the 820 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:27.840 United States has waged war. 821 00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.519 There's nothing out there that is so 822 00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.079 unvarnished, that is uncensored, 823 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.920 that shows what war in the 824 00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:38.559 modern era is really like. 825 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:39.679 Nothing. 826 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.119 And that's why the US government doesn't 827 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.119 want it in a courtroom where 828 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:48.360 they want to try Julian Assange. 829 00:37:48.360 --> 00:37:49.280 That's why it's not part of the 830 00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:50.199 indictment against him, 831 00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:51.639 because it's so embarrassing. 832 00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.320 I think it's really important that, 833 00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:55.840 especially young people, they watch it. 834 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.760 I know it's tough, but watch it and 835 00:37:58.760 --> 00:38:02.679 absorb it and understand why it is such a 836 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:05.320 significant piece of journalism. 837 00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:11.599 There's one, yeah. 838 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:12.960 Oh yeah. 839 00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:18.159 Hey Bushmaster element copy on the one-six. 840 00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:19.320 Thats a weapon. 841 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:23.320 Hotel Two-Six; Crazy Horse One-Eight 842 00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:28.920 Copy on the one-six, Bushmaster Six-Romeo. Roger. 843 00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:30.880 Fucking prick. 844 00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.920 Hotel Two-Six this is Crazy Horse One-Eight 845 00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.519 Have individuals with weapons. 846 00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:39.599 Yup. He's got a weapon too. 847 00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:41.840 Hotel Two-Six; Crazy Horse One-Eight. 848 00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.920 Have five to six individuals with AK47s 849 00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:48.079 Request permission to engage 850 00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:49.599 Roger that. 851 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:52.880 Uh, we have no personnel east of our position 852 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.840 So, uh, you are free to engage. Over. 853 00:38:56.639 --> 00:38:58.079 All right, we'll be engaging 854 00:38:58.440 --> 00:38:59.880 Roger, go ahead. 855 00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:01.280 Problem is I can't get 'em now 856 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:02.800 because they're behind that building. 857 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:06.760 Um, hey Bushmaster element... 858 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:08.079 Um, hey Bushmaster element... He's got an RPG 859 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:09.360 All right, we got a guy with an RPG. 860 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:10.079 All right, we got a guy with an RPG. 861 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:10.920 I'm going to fire. OK 862 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:12.400 863 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.320 Okay, we're gonna come around. 864 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:17.760 Hotel Two-Six; have eyes on individual with RPG 865 00:39:17.800 --> 00:39:19.119 Getting ready to fire. 866 00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:20.840 We won't.... Yeah, we had a guy shoot 867 00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:22.840 and now he's behind the building. 868 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:24.920 Just fuckin', once you get on 'em just open 'em up. 869 00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:25.920 All right. 870 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:28.400 I see you Element, you got about four Humvees 871 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:30.079 uh, out along... 872 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:30.960 You're clear. 873 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:32.079 All right, firing. 874 00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:34.519 Let me know when you've got them. 875 00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:35.719 Let's shoot 876 00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:37.639 Light 'em all up. 877 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:40.159 Come on, fire! 878 00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:43.679 [Helicopter gunfire] 879 00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:47.000 Keep shooting, keep shooting 880 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.760 [Helicopter gunfire] 881 00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:50.559 Keep shooting 882 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.119 Hotel.. Bushmaster Two-Six, Bushmaster Two-Six, 883 00:39:53.159 --> 00:39:54.960 Ooops, I'm sorry what was going on? 884 00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:55.840 God damn it, Kyle 885 00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:57.960 All right, hahaha, I hit 'em, I have 886 00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:00.519 Oh, yeah, look at those dead bastards. 887 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:02.719 Nice 888 00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:04.559 Good shooting. 889 00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:05.639 Thank you 890 00:40:06.159 --> 00:40:08.519 There's one guy moving down there but he's uh 891 00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:09.960 he's wounded. 892 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:11.400 All right, we'll let 'em know 893 00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.320 so they can hurry up and get over here. 894 00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:17.079 One-Eight, we also have one individual, 895 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:20.679 uh, appears to be wounded trying to crawl away. 896 00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.800 Roger, we're gonna move down there. 897 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:27.679 Roger, we'll cease fire. 898 00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:30.400 Yeah, we won't shoot anymore. 899 00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:35.920 He's getting up. 900 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.360 Maybe he has a weapon down in his hand? 901 00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.000 No, I haven't seen one yet. 902 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:40.239 I see you guys got that guy 903 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:41.599 crawling right now on that curb. 904 00:40:41.920 --> 00:40:43.880 Yeah, I got him. I put two rounds near him, 905 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.119 and you guys were shooting over there too, so 906 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:47.639 uh we'll see. 907 00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:49.400 Yeah, roger that. 908 00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:51.559 Bushmaster Thirty-Six Element; 909 00:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.440 this is uh Hotel Two-Seven over. 910 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.360 Hotel Two-Seven; Bushmaster Seven go ahead. 911 00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:00.119 Roger I'm just trying to make sure 912 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.039 you guys have my turf, over. 913 00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:07.239 Roger we got your turf. 914 00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:08.800 Come on, buddy. 915 00:41:11.519 --> 00:41:13.840 All you gotta do is pick up a weapon. 916 00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:19.239 If we see a weapon, we're gonna engage. 917 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.119 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse. 918 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.920 We have individuals going to the scene, 919 00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:24.400 looks like possibly uh 920 00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.119 picking up bodies and weapons. 921 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:28.880 Let me engage. 922 00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:32.400 Can I shoot? 923 00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:33.920 Roger. 924 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.920 Break. Uh Crazyhorse One-Eight 925 00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.039 request permission to uh engage. 926 00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:39.800 Picking up the wounded? 927 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.079 Yeah, we're trying to get permission to engage. 928 00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.360 Come on, let us shoot! 929 00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:48.480 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse One-Eight. 930 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:52.239 They're taking him. 931 00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:55.719 Bushmaster; Crazyhorse One-Eight. 932 00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.280 This is Bushmaster Seven, go ahead. 933 00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:02.320 Roger. We have a black 934 00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:05.320 SUV-uh Bongo truck picking up the bodies. 935 00:42:05.360 --> 00:42:07.000 Request permission to engage. 936 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:10.480 This is Bushmaster Seven, roger. 937 00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.679 This is Bushmaster Seven, roger. Engage. 938 00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:14.639 One-Eight, engage. 939 00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:15.559 Clear 940 00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:16.400 Come on! 941 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:18.159 [Helicopter gunfire] 942 00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:20.239 Clear 943 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.360 [Helicopter gunfire] 944 00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:23.400 Clear 945 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:25.519 We're engaging 946 00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:29.159 Coming around. Clear. 947 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:29.960 Roger. 948 00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:31.199 Trying to uh 949 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:35.239 Clear 950 00:42:36.880 --> 00:42:38.440 I hear 'em co.. I lost 'em in the dust. 951 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:39.400 I got 'em 952 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:43.760 I'm firing. 953 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:45.239 This is Bushmaster Forty 954 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:46.840 got any BDA on that truck. Over. 955 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:47.920 You're clear 956 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.559 This is ah Crazyhorse. Stand by. 957 00:42:49.599 --> 00:42:51.119 I can't shoot for some reason. 958 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:53.159 Go ahead. I think the van's disabled.. 959 00:42:54.880 --> 00:42:55.639 Go ahead and shoot it. 960 00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:57.559 [Helicopter gunfire] 961 00:42:57.960 --> 00:42:59.039 Go left. 962 00:42:59.039 --> 00:43:00.800 [Helicopter gunfire] 963 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:02.639 Clear left. 964 00:43:02.679 --> 00:43:04.440 [Helicopter gunfire] 965 00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:07.519 Oh yeah, look at that. 966 00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:08.719 Right through the windshield! 967 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:10.119 Ha ha! 968 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.840 July 12, 2007 was a Thursday. 969 00:43:13.480 --> 00:43:15.039 Suddenly, a young Iraqi 970 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:16.920 cameraman burst through the door. 971 00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.320 He was wailing, and he just said, "Namir 972 00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:21.280 and Saeed have been killed 973 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.239 in a US helicopter attack." 974 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:25.599 Just after midnight, the US 975 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:27.079 military put out a statement, 976 00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:28.800 12 people had been 977 00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:30.400 killed, including two civilians, 978 00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:32.280 who had been identified as being 979 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.440 employees of the Reuters news service. 980 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.800 But that these people had 981 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.559 been killed in a firefight, 982 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:41.400 an exchange of fire 983 00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:44.119 between US forces and insurgents. 984 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:47.440 And the statement was very categorical 985 00:43:47.440 --> 00:43:50.280 that there had been a firefight. 986 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:54.559 Our Iraqi staff spoke to witnesses and 987 00:43:54.559 --> 00:43:56.920 residents in the area and seven of these 988 00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:58.639 witnesses told me 989 00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:00.320 that there was no clash, 990 00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:02.480 no firefight taking place 991 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:03.960 when this attack occurred. 992 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:05.199 And so 993 00:44:05.679 --> 00:44:08.000 we were demanding that the US military 994 00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:09.760 conduct a thorough investigation 995 00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.239 into what had happened because the 996 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:13.480 evidence that we had 997 00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:16.440 was casting very grave doubt on the US 998 00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:17.599 military's version of events. 999 00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:21.159 [Sad, slow, middle eastern cello music] 1000 00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.119 The footage is from the TV camera that's 1001 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:26.519 mounted on the gun of the Apache. 1002 00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:30.000 They very quickly misidentified the 1003 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:31.679 cameras that Namir and Saeed were 1004 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:32.639 carrying as weapons. 1005 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:35.599 They also identified other men as 1006 00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.000 carrying AK-47s and very quickly they 1007 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:41.119 sought permission to attack. 1008 00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:44.960 Have five to six individuals with AK47s 1009 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:47.159 Request permission to engage 1010 00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:49.800 Roger that. 1011 00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.159 Uh, we have no personnel east of our position 1012 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:56.039 So, uh, you are free to engage. Over. 1013 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:58.239 Julian Assange to his credit, made 1014 00:44:58.239 --> 00:44:59.360 very clear that the order 1015 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:00.679 to open fire had been given 1016 00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:02.760 before Namir peered around that corner 1017 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:04.679 and he's got his long lens 1018 00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:06.199 camera out taking a photo. 1019 00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.559 [All right, we got a guy with an RPG.] 1020 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:09.760 [I'm going to fire. OK] 1021 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:11.760 [Just fuckin', once you get on 'em just open 'em up.] 1022 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.239 [Let's shoot] 1023 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.280 [Light 'em all up.] 1024 00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:19.119 That basically showed U.S. pilots 1025 00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:21.599 laughing and joking as they 1026 00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:23.280 strafed and killed civilians 1027 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.400 on the streets of Baghdad. 1028 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:27.199 [Oh yeah, look at that. ] 1029 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:28.519 [Right through the windshield!] 1030 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:29.920 [Ha ha!] 1031 00:45:30.679 --> 00:45:33.960 So this whole pretense that somehow this 1032 00:45:33.960 --> 00:45:35.800 was a war for democracy 1033 00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.559 received a heavy blow 1034 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:43.800 So the importance, the significance of 1035 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.199 that particular footage 1036 00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:48.280 shouldn't be underestimated. 1037 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:53.599 The American crew supplying their hideous 1038 00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:55.400 soundtrack and commentary 1039 00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:57.639 [Oh, yeah, look at those dead bastards.] 1040 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:01.719 about how it was nice to kill people. 1041 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:03.920 It was revealing. It was a very important 1042 00:46:04.039 --> 00:46:08.800 disclosure and that's when WikiLeaks 1043 00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:13.559 became an enemy of those 1044 00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:15.519 who perpetrated this crime. 1045 00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:18.480 Then the attack on the van, I mean, no 1046 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:19.639 one was holding any weapons. 1047 00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:21.639 So that was a clear case 1048 00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.159 of a potential war crime. 1049 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:24.679 [Sad, slow, western cello music] 1050 00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:26.400 The father was taking the 1051 00:46:26.400 --> 00:46:27.800 two children, Sajad and Doaha, 1052 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:29.800 to lessons in the mosque. 1053 00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.679 And they drive up to the scene and Saeed 1054 00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:34.440 is basically on all fours, 1055 00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:35.519 heavily injured, 1056 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:37.480 and they do what people do. 1057 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.320 They stop and try to take them into the 1058 00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:41.920 van to drive them to a hospital. 1059 00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:44.880 This is when the second round happened, 1060 00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:46.519 the shooting upon the van. 1061 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:48.960 And Sajad and Doaha were sitting in the 1062 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:50.320 front with their father. 1063 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.000 [Sad, slow, western cello music] 1064 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:55.199 The only reason why their lives were 1065 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:56.599 saved is that he threw 1066 00:46:56.599 --> 00:46:57.920 himself and his body, 1067 00:46:57.920 --> 00:47:01.280 shielding them from the explosive bullets 1068 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:03.440 that were coming from the Apache gunship. 1069 00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:04.960 [Sad, slow, western cello music] 1070 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:06.440 I thought it was extremely important to 1071 00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:07.880 get witness statements from 1072 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:09.280 people who had been affected. 1073 00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:11.800 But I said we need names and faces, we 1074 00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.079 need to see who these 1075 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:15.639 people are, why were they there? 1076 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:17.079 I mean, these are common questions, 1077 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:17.880 journalistic questions. 1078 00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:20.679 And just two days before the release of 1079 00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:21.800 the video, we met the 1080 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.039 widow and the children. 1081 00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:24.559 [Sad, slow, western cello music] 1082 00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.360 We tend to see a warzone as a warzone, as the 1083 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:29.280 playground for the people with the guns. 1084 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:30.480 But this is where people 1085 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:31.760 live, it's their neighborhood. 1086 00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:35.440 It's where they try to have some 1087 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.519 normality in life, despite the war, 1088 00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:39.039 despite the conflict. 1089 00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:41.599 [Sad, slow, western cello music] 1090 00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.639 Was there someone armed with you in the car? 1091 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:48.440 And what were you doing there? 1092 00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:50.559 We came from my uncle's house 1093 00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:51.760 on the way home from school. 1094 00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.480 Who were you trying to save? 1095 00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:00.920 To those who were wounded. 1096 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:06.800 Can you explain to us 1097 00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:08.599 what happened there ? 1098 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:10.280 and how you were saving 1099 00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:12.000 those who were wounded? 1100 00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:15.199 By recovering them 1101 00:48:15.800 --> 00:48:17.719 Why were you there? 1102 00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.159 Do you want to explain more? 1103 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:36.840 They hurt me. 1104 00:48:40.480 --> 00:48:43.280 How did the Americans hurt you? 1105 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.679 They shot me here. 1106 00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:01.920 They don't have big brothers 1107 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.599 to take care of them. 1108 00:49:03.679 --> 00:49:06.199 I have no one to save me, 1109 00:49:06.199 --> 00:49:08.719 he took care of a family of seven. 1110 00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:09.760 Now we are in dire straits 1111 00:49:09.760 --> 00:49:11.119 with no home or anything. 1112 00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:12.679 They put us in this situation, 1113 00:49:12.679 --> 00:49:14.400 we don't get salary or anything to save us 1114 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:15.880 What did we do wrong? 1115 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.000 Two wounded boys, how can I heal them? 1116 00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:20.000 And the daughters, who will take 1117 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:22.199 care of us, how should we live? 1118 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.280 We have nothing left. 1119 00:49:40.320 --> 00:49:43.320 [Helicopter gunfire] 1120 00:49:44.559 --> 00:49:47.559 [Crying, sobbing] 1121 00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.679 [Crying, sobbing] 1122 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:05.119 While Julian is held in prison, no one 1123 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:05.760 has ever been held 1124 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:07.880 accountable for the consequences 1125 00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:09.960 of those two wars that have been waged on 1126 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:10.679 those two countries. 1127 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:11.800 And I just find that 1128 00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:13.840 incredibly hypocritical. 1129 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.360 Because having seen what 1130 00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:21.280 the US-led invasion of Iraq 1131 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:22.599 has done to that country, 1132 00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:26.000 it's an absolute travesty. 1133 00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:28.840 And that videotape that 1134 00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.360 Chelsea Manning bravely sent 1135 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:32.360 to WikiLeaks and 1136 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:33.960 which Julian has published 1137 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:35.480 will go down as one of the 1138 00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:37.440 most important videotapes ever 1139 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:38.039 released. 1140 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:44.119 What WikiLeaks showed us was what the 1141 00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:45.840 American Empire was up to. 1142 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:48.360 And that they won't forgive. 1143 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.599 So that is what created the fuss. 1144 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:57.280 That is what determined the United States 1145 00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:59.599 to punish this guy, come what may. 1146 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.119 That is what started a huge campaign of 1147 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:05.400 slander against him in the 1148 00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:07.760 Western media to discredit him. 1149 00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.840 [Tense, dramatic, piano and synth music] 1150 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.199 I've watched the tsunami of 1151 00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:26.320 lies and smear engulf him. 1152 00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:30.159 Endlessly, vindictively, perfidiously. 1153 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:33.079 And I know why they smear him. 1154 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:36.360 In 2008, a plan to destroy 1155 00:51:36.360 --> 00:51:38.079 both WikiLeaks and Julian 1156 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:40.800 was laid out in a secret document. 1157 00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:43.239 The authors were the Cyber Counter 1158 00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.159 Intelligence Assessment Branch 1159 00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:47.960 of the US Defense Department. 1160 00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:51.880 They described in detail how important it 1161 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:53.840 was to destroy, and I quote, 1162 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.679 "the feeling of trust that is 1163 00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.639 WikiLeaks' center of gravity." 1164 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:02.000 This would be achieved with threats of 1165 00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:03.719 exposure and criminal prosecution 1166 00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:05.440 [Gavel sound] 1167 00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.920 and an unrelenting assault on reputation. 1168 00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:12.760 It was as if they planned a 1169 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.119 war on a single human being 1170 00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:16.400 and on the very 1171 00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.920 principle of freedom of speech. 1172 00:52:20.360 --> 00:52:24.079 The firm Stratfor advised the US 1173 00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:25.599 government on strategy. 1174 00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:37.559 The strategy was to 1175 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.039 keep him in jail for years, 1176 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.559 to drag him from country to country. 1177 00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:45.079 Back in 2010, when they first released 1178 00:52:45.079 --> 00:52:46.639 the Chelsea Manning leaks, 1179 00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:49.039 WikiLeaks came under an 1180 00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:50.559 extra legal banking blockade. 1181 00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:53.840 So WikiLeaks had their PayPal cancelled, 1182 00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.039 Visa Mastercard cut off donations. 1183 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:58.719 It was the first time that all the major 1184 00:52:58.719 --> 00:52:59.599 credit card companies 1185 00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:02.000 are united in creating a 1186 00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.000 blockade on a media organisation. 1187 00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:05.639 Julian even had his 1188 00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:07.119 personal bank account closed. 1189 00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:09.480 They adopted Bitcoin as their currency. 1190 00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:17.480 Over the years, that the subject has suffered 1191 00:53:17.960 --> 00:53:21.079 What we see is that there is an evolution 1192 00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.320 In which the rigor 1193 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:25.960 of the environment 1194 00:53:25.960 --> 00:53:28.599 to which he is subjected gradually increases. 1195 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:33.679 There is a first stage where he can't leave the country 1196 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:37.039 he wears an electronic bracelet 1197 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:40.079 and must report daily to the police. 1198 00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:42.199 This is creating a feeling of 1199 00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:45.760 progressive anguish and mental prison. 1200 00:53:46.079 --> 00:53:47.639 We knew when Julian was in the embassy 1201 00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:48.920 that there was a high likelihood 1202 00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:51.440 that the embassy was being spied upon 1203 00:53:51.440 --> 00:53:53.159 by the United Kingdom, by the United States. 1204 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:55.000 What we didn't know until a 1205 00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:56.199 whistleblower came forward, 1206 00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:57.320 that the security company 1207 00:53:57.320 --> 00:53:59.320 employed by the Ecuadorian embassy 1208 00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:00.719 to provide security to 1209 00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:02.199 Julian and to embassy staff, 1210 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:05.800 was capturing information in breach of 1211 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:06.920 the terms of their agreement with the 1212 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:07.599 Ecuadorian government 1213 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:09.280 and providing it to 1214 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:10.559 parties in the United States. 1215 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.639 It is alleged that they were doing it at 1216 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:13.679 the behest of the CIA. 1217 00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:17.199 Through solitary confinement, 1218 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:20.480 through character assassination, 1219 00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.360 through the Orwellian legal process, 1220 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:29.119 through the violation of his most basic 1221 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.199 human and legal rights, 1222 00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:33.679 one thing after another was like this 1223 00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:35.239 theater of the absurd, 1224 00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:38.599 stripping him of his basic human dignity. 1225 00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:43.280 We have a person who is restricted 1226 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.719 in a very small area of space 1227 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.960 and he is monitored 24 hours 1228 00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:52.960 visually and auditorily, 1229 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:54.280 that is, 1230 00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.039 he lives in a panopticon 1231 00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:58.800 in which everything you do, even in the bathroom, 1232 00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.960 is being recorded and heard. 1233 00:55:02.360 --> 00:55:06.159 He has constant sleep problems. 1234 00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.639 He has a circadian rhythm reversal. 1235 00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:10.880 He can't have a natural rhythm 1236 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.360 because he doesn't have natural light 1237 00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:14.440 During many periods, 1238 00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:18.800 the only visitors that are allowed are his legal advisors. 1239 00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:23.320 Visits from family and friends are restricted 1240 00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:25.280 and he is left in complete isolation. 1241 00:55:26.119 --> 00:55:28.519 During the weekends, 1242 00:55:28.519 --> 00:55:31.719 he can't even get a visit from his legal team. 1243 00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:41.480 In the prison 1244 00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:44.880 what I find is a person 1245 00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:48.440 in a condition of profound deterioration, 1246 00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.599 he has a short attention span, 1247 00:55:50.599 --> 00:55:52.840 he has concentration failures, memory failures, 1248 00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.599 that is, he has a cognitive deterioration, 1249 00:55:55.599 --> 00:55:59.239 which is obviously disproportionate for the age 1250 00:55:59.239 --> 00:56:02.719 and intellectual capacity of the person examined, right? 1251 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:04.679 And that shows how 1252 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.480 the conditions of confinement were already 1253 00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:10.679 causing problems on a mental level. 1254 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.639 Besides this, uh, well, 1255 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.519 this is a person who has been for a long time in a situation 1256 00:56:18.519 --> 00:56:20.559 of confinement 1257 00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:25.519 and this has generated depressive symptoms and 1258 00:56:26.199 --> 00:56:30.320 serious symptoms appear, even with suicidal ideation. 1259 00:56:33.400 --> 00:56:34.760 Nils Melzer is a 1260 00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:36.760 Swiss academic and author. 1261 00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:38.280 He is also a 1262 00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:40.199 professor of international law 1263 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.880 at the University of Glasgow. 1264 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:45.280 From 2016 until 22, 1265 00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:49.199 he was the United Nations Special Rapporteur 1266 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.719 on torture and other cruel, inhuman, 1267 00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:54.719 or degrading punishment. 1268 00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:57.719 When his lawyers first 1269 00:56:57.719 --> 00:56:59.920 contacted me in December 2018, 1270 00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:03.280 I frankly just kind of pushed this aside 1271 00:57:03.280 --> 00:57:04.119 and I had this 1272 00:57:04.119 --> 00:57:06.119 emotional reaction thinking, 1273 00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:07.239 oh, this is this hacker, 1274 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.679 this rapist, this traitor. 1275 00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:13.159 And I basically ignored the case. 1276 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:14.199 And so his lawyers came 1277 00:57:14.199 --> 00:57:15.599 back about three months later, 1278 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:16.679 just before he was 1279 00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:17.440 expelled from the embassy 1280 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.679 and then they transmitted some evidence, 1281 00:57:20.960 --> 00:57:22.320 some medical opinions to me. 1282 00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:23.119 And only when I 1283 00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:25.159 actually looked at those facts, 1284 00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:27.199 I started realizing 1285 00:57:27.199 --> 00:57:29.280 that this doesn't add up 1286 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:31.039 with this whole public narrative 1287 00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:31.960 that had been spread 1288 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:32.920 about him in the media 1289 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:34.000 for about 10 years. 1290 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:34.840 And I also realized 1291 00:57:34.840 --> 00:57:36.880 that my negative emotions 1292 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.199 towards Assange really, 1293 00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:41.519 I didn't know where I had them from. 1294 00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:42.480 I had never really 1295 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:43.800 dealt with his case before, 1296 00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:45.960 but I was convinced that I knew 1297 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:46.840 everything about him. 1298 00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:48.440 I was emotionally convinced. 1299 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:49.480 And that's what's so 1300 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:51.679 striking because I realized that 1301 00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:53.519 I as a human rights expert, 1302 00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:55.039 was convinced that 1303 00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:56.320 this narrative was true 1304 00:57:56.639 --> 00:57:57.800 without actually knowing 1305 00:57:57.800 --> 00:57:59.519 the facts behind the case. 1306 00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:00.679 I started seeing that 1307 00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:03.000 actually nothing of this added up. 1308 00:58:03.000 --> 00:58:04.599 And the deeper I got into it, 1309 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:06.679 the more dirt came out, 1310 00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:07.679 but it was not on the side 1311 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:08.719 of Assange and WikiLeaks. 1312 00:58:09.079 --> 00:58:10.320 It was on the side of the governments. 1313 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:11.800 And I thought, I have to go 1314 00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:13.639 and personally investigate this case 1315 00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:15.880 because something's not right here. 1316 00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:17.280 And so I went to see him 1317 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:19.840 in Belmarsh together with a medical team 1318 00:58:19.840 --> 00:58:22.800 Specialists who specialise in examining torture victims. 1319 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:27.119 He invited doctor Duarte Nuno Vieira 1320 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.599 as a medical forensic doctor 1321 00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:31.639 and in my case, as a psychiatrist 1322 00:58:32.239 --> 00:58:34.800 to carry out an evaluation in accordance 1323 00:58:34.800 --> 00:58:36.159 with the Istanbul protocol, 1324 00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:37.519 which is the United Nations tool 1325 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.320 for evaluating cases of torture. 1326 00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:46.599 From a medical and 1327 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:48.119 psychological point of view, 1328 00:58:48.840 --> 00:58:52.880 we speak of torture when we create a series of 1329 00:58:52.880 --> 00:58:57.800 conditions that seek to break a person's will. 1330 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.599 The medical findings 1331 00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:11.400 that we produced during this visit 1332 00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:14.519 Is that Mr. Assange shows all the 1333 00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:16.320 the symptoms that are typical 1334 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:18.119 for a person that has been exposed to 1335 00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:19.920 pshycological torture over a 1336 00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:20.920 prolonged period of time. 1337 00:59:22.800 --> 00:59:24.079 Psychological torture 1338 00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:26.159 is by no means torture light. 1339 00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:28.280 It is very serious. 1340 00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:32.719 The CIA repeatedly proposed kidnapping 1341 00:59:32.719 --> 00:59:34.599 the WikiLeaks founder from the Ecuadorian 1342 00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:36.000 Embassy in London and 1343 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.400 flying him to the United States. 1344 00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:39.559 Some senior Trump administration 1345 00:59:39.559 --> 00:59:41.519 officials and CIA executives 1346 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:43.480 even discussed assassinating Assange, 1347 00:59:43.880 --> 00:59:46.000 according to former intelligence officials. 1348 00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.119 The Spanish courts had evidence that 1349 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:49.840 there were discussions of poisoning 1350 00:59:49.840 --> 00:59:51.480 Julian and kidnapping 1351 00:59:51.480 --> 00:59:52.519 him from the embassy. 1352 00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:58.199 These operations were being planned under 1353 00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:00.519 the directorship of Mike Pompeo. 1354 01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:04.719 I want to recall just a single moment in 1355 01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.079 this afternoon's hearing. 1356 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:09.840 When Mark Summers Q.C. for Julian 1357 01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:12.679 first raised the question of the Yahoo story, 1358 01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:15.639 that is that the CIA plot, to either 1359 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:17.639 kidnap or assassinate Julian Assange. 1360 01:00:18.599 --> 01:00:20.880 The judge lent forward and halted him for 1361 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.119 a moment and said, "Yes, yes, I'm sure we 1362 01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.239 know that the CIA is 1363 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.400 interested in Mr Assange." 1364 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.199 And Mark Summers had to stop him and say, 1365 01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:33.199 "It's not about them being interested, 1366 01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:34.920 it's about them plotting 1367 01:00:34.920 --> 01:00:37.119 to kidnap and kill him." 1368 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:42.280 How can these courts approve an 1369 01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:43.480 extradition request 1370 01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:46.239 under these conditions? 1371 01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:51.440 How can they accept an extradition to the 1372 01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:53.440 country that plotted to kill Julian, 1373 01:00:53.440 --> 01:00:55.440 that plotted to kill a publisher 1374 01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:56.840 because of what he published? 1375 01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:00.559 This goes to the fundamentals 1376 01:01:00.559 --> 01:01:02.760 of press freedom and of democracy. 1377 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.360 [Slow, minimalist, sad piano music] 1378 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:14.119 At the end of the day, we left Belmarsh 1379 01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:15.159 prison and took a black 1380 01:01:15.159 --> 01:01:16.639 cab back to central London. 1381 01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:19.719 And I remember I sat in the back of the 1382 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:21.039 car and stared through 1383 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:22.360 the raindrops on the window. 1384 01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.199 And in my mind, I kept replaying the 1385 01:01:25.199 --> 01:01:27.159 moment we had said goodbye to Assange. 1386 01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:30.480 We had shaken hands, I wished him well 1387 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.599 and was about to leave. The doctors were 1388 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:33.920 already standing at the door. 1389 01:01:34.679 --> 01:01:37.159 When suddenly Assange's grip on my hand 1390 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:38.599 tightened and he held me back. 1391 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:41.079 He looked at me intensely 1392 01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:44.119 and said, "I hate to say this." 1393 01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:46.599 He then hesitated, visibly troubled and 1394 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:48.559 searching for words. 1395 01:01:48.559 --> 01:01:50.599 And then he finally said: 1396 01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:52.719 "Please," 1397 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:54.840 "Save my life." 1398 01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.119 During our conversation Assange had made 1399 01:01:59.119 --> 01:02:01.519 it absolutely clear that he would not be 1400 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:03.800 extradited to the United States alive. 1401 01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.519 In his opinion, this was the only 1402 01:02:07.519 --> 01:02:09.320 rational decision in view 1403 01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:10.679 of what awaited him there. 1404 01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:15.039 During a cell search two days before our visit, 1405 01:02:15.039 --> 01:02:17.159 prison staff had confiscated a 1406 01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:18.400 razor blade hidden by 1407 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:19.519 Assange just in case. 1408 01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:22.960 I knew he was serious 1409 01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:25.760 and we both knew that his fate 1410 01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:27.519 was not in my hands. 1411 01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:31.760 All I could do in this moment was to give 1412 01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:33.119 him a silent hug 1413 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:35.239 from one person to another. 1414 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:38.920 Then I heard myself reply, 1415 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:41.880 as if from far away, 1416 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.519 "I'll do my best." 1417 01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.960 [Mysterious, atmospheric piano, strings & synth music] 1418 01:02:58.199 --> 01:02:59.199 He knew how dangerous it was. 1419 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:00.559 He was on the run 1420 01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:04.199 in those key moments before it 1421 01:03:04.199 --> 01:03:06.079 became a huge organisation, 1422 01:03:06.079 --> 01:03:07.480 it was pretty much Julian 1423 01:03:07.480 --> 01:03:10.800 and whatever secret communication devices 1424 01:03:10.800 --> 01:03:12.360 he had in his laptop. 1425 01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.320 What he had in his small bag was a, 1426 01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:17.280 you know, a hand grenade, 1427 01:03:17.519 --> 01:03:18.880 a nuclear bomb in fact. 1428 01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:22.079 He was a young man 1429 01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:26.559 with vision and big ideas 1430 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:29.920 and the most massive leak 1431 01:03:29.920 --> 01:03:31.599 and the most important leak 1432 01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:33.679 that had ever occurred in his backpack. 1433 01:03:47.760 --> 01:03:48.920 Holy fuck! 1434 01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:50.159 [Camera flashes] 1435 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:03.599 He did talk about the consequences 1436 01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:04.719 and I have to say 1437 01:04:04.719 --> 01:04:07.199 what he thought the consequences would be 1438 01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:08.920 is that they would hound him 1439 01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:10.719 to the ends of the earth. 1440 01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:14.480 He was dead right and I was dead wrong. 1441 01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:18.960 I would never have anticipated that they 1442 01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:20.360 would have acted with 1443 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:23.719 such endless ferocity. 1444 01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:28.000 He did. So, I mean, quite a man 1445 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.280 to walk into that. 1446 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:30.639 and that's what he expected, 1447 01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:33.679 and indeed that's what he got. 1448 01:04:37.960 --> 01:04:41.400 If he knew the consequences that might eventuate 1449 01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:44.079 then this was not an act of 1450 01:04:44.079 --> 01:04:46.679 naivety or foolhardiness. 1451 01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:50.320 It was an act of trust. 1452 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:53.920 So now the question became; 1453 01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:57.119 in taking this incredible risk, 1454 01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.320 Who was it that he was trusting 1455 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:04.599 to save him from a terrible fate? 1456 01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:09.559 [Dramatic, heavy synch and drum music] 1457 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.639 Press freedom is steadily getting worse 1458 01:05:16.639 --> 01:05:18.360 around the world year by year. 1459 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:20.480 We publish a World Press Freedom Index 1460 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:22.639 each year, which assesses the press 1461 01:05:22.639 --> 01:05:24.480 freedom climate in 180 1462 01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:25.599 countries around the world. 1463 01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:28.360 Each country is ranked comparatively to 1464 01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:30.159 each other, but also scored based on 1465 01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:31.679 performance against a 1466 01:05:31.679 --> 01:05:32.440 number of indicators. 1467 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.559 It can capture everything from sort of 1468 01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:36.880 physical attacks on journalists, 1469 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:37.960 killings of journalists, 1470 01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:39.079 imprisonment of journalists, 1471 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:41.400 a staggering more than 500 journalists 1472 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.039 are behind bars today in connection with 1473 01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:44.480 their work all around the world. 1474 01:05:49.199 --> 01:05:51.039 Over the past ten years 1475 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:55.239 press freedom has been crumbling all over the world 1476 01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:58.719 and has been declining in every country. 1477 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:02.119 The political powers scare journalists 1478 01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:05.880 kill some of them, hurt others, 1479 01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:07.280 threaten many of them, 1480 01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:09.480 especially through social networks 1481 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.239 and this seriously alters the capacity 1482 01:06:12.320 --> 01:06:15.480 of these journalists to make 1483 01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:19.280 correct investigations for the citizens. 1484 01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:20.840 I've spent my career 1485 01:06:20.840 --> 01:06:22.880 in the mainstream media. 1486 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:25.679 I've never known it as closed 1487 01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:27.800 as it is today. 1488 01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:38.920 The denial of Julian Assange's status as a journalist 1489 01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:44.519 is part of the arsenal of discrediting 1490 01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:47.159 that his ememies have launched against him. 1491 01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:49.559 Julian Assange is a journalist. 1492 01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:52.039 He has a journalist's card 1493 01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:55.800 from the International Federation of Journalists. 1494 01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:59.719 When he's criticized as 1495 01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:01.519 not being a journalist, 1496 01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:03.159 it's not something 1497 01:07:03.159 --> 01:07:05.559 that is comprehensible. 1498 01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:09.000 He's received the highest accolade 1499 01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:10.920 in Australian journalism, 1500 01:07:10.920 --> 01:07:13.000 which is the Walkley Award 1501 01:07:13.079 --> 01:07:14.239 for most outstanding 1502 01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:15.679 contribution to journalism. 1503 01:07:16.519 --> 01:07:19.320 He's won awards all over the world. 1504 01:07:19.320 --> 01:07:20.840 The Martha Gellhorn Prize, 1505 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:22.119 the Voltaire Award, 1506 01:07:22.119 --> 01:07:23.280 the Sam Adams Award, 1507 01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:25.400 two dozen at last count 1508 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:27.559 for his courage, 1509 01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:29.280 for his achievement in journalism, 1510 01:07:30.159 --> 01:07:33.000 but also for his defence of human rights 1511 01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:36.400 and his defence of the truth. 1512 01:07:36.840 --> 01:07:39.000 If Julian Assange isn't a journalist, 1513 01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:40.079 what the hell is he? 1514 01:07:40.880 --> 01:07:43.039 I mean, he has found material, 1515 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:44.920 made it available, 1516 01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:48.440 edited it before it's put out. 1517 01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:49.960 That's what journalists do. 1518 01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:53.480 He isn't a journalist who just publishes 1519 01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:55.440 foreign office or 1520 01:07:55.440 --> 01:07:57.039 home department handouts. 1521 01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:58.800 He actually gets 1522 01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:00.840 information which people need. 1523 01:08:01.360 --> 01:08:04.679 And that is what good, honest 1524 01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:06.480 investigative journalists 1525 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:08.519 should be doing all the time. 1526 01:08:08.840 --> 01:08:11.079 It's crucial to the 1527 01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:13.440 preservation of our First Amendment 1528 01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.760 protections of free speech and free press 1529 01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:20.000 that Julian Assange not be prosecuted, 1530 01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:21.199 that he not be convicted. 1531 01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:22.960 Julian Assange is the first publisher 1532 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:23.640 that the US government 1533 01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:24.800 is attempting to pursue 1534 01:08:24.960 --> 01:08:26.079 under the Espionage Act. 1535 01:08:26.640 --> 01:08:27.720 The Espionage Act was 1536 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:29.239 passed as the United States 1537 01:08:29.279 --> 01:08:30.359 entered World War I. 1538 01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:33.279 It's an antiquated piece of legislation 1539 01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:34.399 in the United States 1540 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:36.840 intended to criminalize spying. 1541 01:08:37.960 --> 01:08:39.600 Daniel Ellsberg and Julian Assange were 1542 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:41.319 both indicted under the Espionage Act. 1543 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:43.760 Ellsberg himself was the leaker, whereas 1544 01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:45.000 Julian Assange was the publisher. 1545 01:08:45.680 --> 01:08:47.319 So whilst of course what happened to 1546 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:48.279 Daniel Ellsberg never 1547 01:08:48.279 --> 01:08:49.000 should have happened, 1548 01:08:49.359 --> 01:08:51.800 it's even going another step further to 1549 01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:53.439 target a publisher in this way. 1550 01:08:53.560 --> 01:08:55.399 Up until the Trump administration, 1551 01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:57.720 no journalist was charged 1552 01:08:57.720 --> 01:08:59.279 under the Espionage Act. 1553 01:08:59.279 --> 01:09:01.640 You had people who had access 1554 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:03.199 to classified information 1555 01:09:03.199 --> 01:09:06.399 and provided it usually to the press. 1556 01:09:06.399 --> 01:09:08.680 And it was with the release of Vault 7, 1557 01:09:09.199 --> 01:09:12.479 the information that exposed the CIA's 1558 01:09:12.600 --> 01:09:15.560 hacking tools into our smartphones, 1559 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:18.199 cars, televisions and everything else, 1560 01:09:19.319 --> 01:09:21.439 that they went after a 1561 01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:22.680 publisher or a journalist. 1562 01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:25.960 And that's what's so chilling for all of us. 1563 01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:27.760 In some sense, they've already won. 1564 01:09:28.560 --> 01:09:30.640 What journalist in their right mind 1565 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:32.760 will go and expose 1566 01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:35.279 structural power in that way again, 1567 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:37.239 without fear of being 1568 01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:39.399 chucked in a jail 1569 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.359 and left to rot. 1570 01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:44.239 This has hurt the reputation already 1571 01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:45.520 of the United Kingdom 1572 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:47.439 and the West's position 1573 01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:50.640 of this claim of being the vanguard 1574 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:52.880 of free journalism and freedom of speech. 1575 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:55.720 And you could see that in interviews that 1576 01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.520 not so democratic regimes have given. 1577 01:09:58.800 --> 01:09:59.760 Absolutely. We have free media. 1578 01:10:00.600 --> 01:10:01.479 We have free Internet. 1579 01:10:01.800 --> 01:10:03.000 You raise this question. 1580 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:04.079 Can I ask you also one? 1581 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:09.520 How do you assess what happened to Mr. Assange? 1582 01:10:09.760 --> 01:10:10.720 Is it a reflection 1583 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:12.199 of free media in your country? 1584 01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:15.199 How many years has he spent in Ecuadorian embassy 1585 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:16.159 and for what? 1586 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:17.279 And where is he now? 1587 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:19.039 For journalistic activity, 1588 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:21.239 you kept that person hostage, 1589 01:10:22.079 --> 01:10:23.399 actually killing him 1590 01:10:23.399 --> 01:10:24.960 morally and physically. 1591 01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:27.079 You did it, not us. 1592 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:28.399 And now he's in prison. 1593 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:30.880 So you have no moral right to talk about 1594 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:32.560 free media when you do these things. 1595 01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:38.199 It won't just be Julian Assange. 1596 01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:40.279 If the US is successful, the same 1597 01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:41.000 precedent could be 1598 01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:42.119 applied to any journalist, 1599 01:10:42.359 --> 01:10:44.119 any publisher, any source. 1600 01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:45.800 So we're extremely worried about the 1601 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:47.600 implications that that will have for journalism, 1602 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:48.880 not just in the United States, 1603 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:49.920 but around the world. 1604 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:52.760 This case is just about journalism. 1605 01:10:54.439 --> 01:10:57.119 It's just about the persecution of a journalist, 1606 01:10:57.119 --> 01:11:00.000 Of a publisher who is doing his job, 1607 01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:01.840 and in doing so, it is creating 1608 01:11:01.840 --> 01:11:03.840 a precedent for all of you and your 1609 01:11:04.039 --> 01:11:06.600 colleagues that can be used by the United 1610 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:08.600 States in the future or by any other 1611 01:11:08.760 --> 01:11:11.119 country that is paying attention 1612 01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:13.479 and going to pursue 1613 01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.159 their dissidents, 1614 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:19.520 their journalists in the same way. 1615 01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:23.000 Journalism is in serious danger. 1616 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:24.680 It's already been undermined. 1617 01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:26.439 Mainstream media have lost 1618 01:11:26.439 --> 01:11:28.079 the plot and have sold out. 1619 01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:30.319 It's all the more reason why journalism 1620 01:11:30.319 --> 01:11:31.920 is more and more important. 1621 01:11:32.239 --> 01:11:33.039 Real journalism where 1622 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:33.840 people tell the truth. 1623 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:38.640 Once it has become a crime 1624 01:11:39.720 --> 01:11:41.039 to tell the truth, 1625 01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:43.000 we are living in a tyranny. 1626 01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:47.319 [Tense, rhythmic piano & beats music] 1627 01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:57.560 How did we get to this point? 1628 01:11:58.439 --> 01:12:00.479 Are our rights to freedom of expression 1629 01:12:00.840 --> 01:12:03.039 and a free press expanding and developing 1630 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:05.439 or are they eroding? 1631 01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:07.760 To understand our present, 1632 01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:09.399 we must know our past. 1633 01:12:09.960 --> 01:12:13.000 [Contemplative, sustained, drone synth music] 1634 01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:14.760 Ever since we have had the ability to 1635 01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:17.399 articulate our thoughts through vocalization, 1636 01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:19.600 we have wanted to express ourselves 1637 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:21.760 without fear of retaliation, 1638 01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:23.720 censorship, or sanction. 1639 01:12:30.439 --> 01:12:33.560 For 5,000 years, human civilization 1640 01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:35.760 has been battling to establish, 1641 01:12:35.760 --> 01:12:39.159 maintain, and defend our right to free speech. 1642 01:12:44.680 --> 01:12:46.880 Ego, impulse 1643 01:12:46.880 --> 01:12:49.359 and a thirst for unabridged power 1644 01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:50.840 have always been 1645 01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:52.640 and continue to be a threat 1646 01:12:52.680 --> 01:12:53.920 to free speech, 1647 01:12:54.159 --> 01:12:57.199 democracy and a free press. 1648 01:12:58.199 --> 01:13:01.239 States are still using persecution, 1649 01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:03.359 torture and violence 1650 01:13:03.359 --> 01:13:07.039 to ward off challenges from their citizens. 1651 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.199 The playbook of autocracy 1652 01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:14.000 has been well learnt and repeated. 1653 01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:18.800 Gandhi's philosophy of 1654 01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:20.800 nonviolent resistance 1655 01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:22.439 known as Satyagraha, 1656 01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:24.840 which means holding firm to truth, 1657 01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.079 would later influence activists 1658 01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:29.399 including Martin Luther King Jr., 1659 01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:30.720 Nelson Mandela, 1660 01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:32.159 and Daniel Ellsberg. 1661 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:34.960 After all this time, 1662 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:38.760 authorities are still adverse to being challenged. 1663 01:13:42.760 --> 01:13:46.479 [Tense, rhythmic harp & synths music] 1664 01:13:50.760 --> 01:13:53.439 When the indictment against Julian was 1665 01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.319 updated in the extradition case, 1666 01:13:56.680 --> 01:13:59.479 they included allegations that Julian was 1667 01:13:59.479 --> 01:14:00.920 planning to hurt 1668 01:14:00.920 --> 01:14:02.479 Icelandic infrastructure, 1669 01:14:03.279 --> 01:14:04.920 eavesdropping on telephone conversations 1670 01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:06.600 of Icelandic members of parliament, 1671 01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:08.039 because they saw how hollow 1672 01:14:08.039 --> 01:14:10.279 that part of the indictment was. 1673 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:12.399 They were trying to support 1674 01:14:12.399 --> 01:14:13.880 it with his witness statement. 1675 01:14:14.319 --> 01:14:17.279 Siggi Thordarson is the star witness for the 1676 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:18.800 United States in respect of the 1677 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:20.399 additional allegations that were added. 1678 01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:23.199 Thordarson was a WikiLeaks volunteer who was 1679 01:14:23.199 --> 01:14:25.800 involved for 10 months in 2010 and 11, 1680 01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:28.920 and he stole money from the organization. 1681 01:14:29.479 --> 01:14:32.199 And when that was found out, he decided 1682 01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:35.279 to offer his help as a witness for the 1683 01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:37.720 FBI in return for protection. 1684 01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:39.439 What they did was so 1685 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:41.319 grotesque and so shameless. 1686 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:43.560 They used witnesses who 1687 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:44.960 later said they were lying. 1688 01:14:45.159 --> 01:14:47.039 This was not accepted 1689 01:14:47.039 --> 01:14:48.479 by the British court. 1690 01:14:48.920 --> 01:14:51.479 He is, according to court documents, 1691 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:52.920 a sociopath, 1692 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:56.000 a sexual predator against boys 1693 01:14:56.000 --> 01:14:58.000 and has been sentenced for 1694 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:00.680 violation against 10 minors. 1695 01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:04.560 There is no credible factual basis for a 1696 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:06.680 large part of the U.S.'s indictment. 1697 01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:09.640 And yet they are still pursuing it. 1698 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:12.279 Please Julian Assange, now! 1699 01:15:12.600 --> 01:15:14.399 It's just absurd that 1700 01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:15.520 the case is still ongoing. 1701 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:18.880 Because there is no case. 1702 01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:26.319 [Woeful, heavy strings & keyboard music] 1703 01:15:28.760 --> 01:15:31.239 My impression of him when I first saw him 1704 01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:33.640 in 2011 was that he was 1705 01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:35.720 young and he was healthy. 1706 01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:38.960 And he was extraordinarily courageous. 1707 01:15:38.960 --> 01:15:41.560 [Applause] 1708 01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:46.800 When he was presented to court for the 1709 01:15:46.800 --> 01:15:49.319 first time, and he tries to 1710 01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:50.840 stand and to talk to the judge, 1711 01:15:51.199 --> 01:15:52.359 and he cannot stand up, 1712 01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.439 you have a person that is destroyed. 1713 01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:59.800 The isolation that Julian was forced 1714 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:02.359 to undergo in the Ecuadoran embassy 1715 01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:05.199 was clearly very hard on him. 1716 01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:07.640 He had deteriorated physically, 1717 01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:10.720 not mentally, but physically very much. 1718 01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:12.880 I was very concerned about it. 1719 01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:15.079 People complain of being at home 1720 01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:16.640 with everything and simply 1721 01:16:16.640 --> 01:16:18.000 because of lockdown. 1722 01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:19.760 Try to be in his 1723 01:16:19.760 --> 01:16:21.600 situation for one week. 1724 01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:24.319 And he was there for seven years. 1725 01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:26.600 Doctors could come in, but they obviously 1726 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.000 couldn't bring much treatment. 1727 01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:29.920 They couldn't bring an x-ray 1728 01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:31.760 or an MRI scanner and so on. 1729 01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:33.920 So he was having a lot of problems. 1730 01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:38.600 And Doctors for Assange were writing 1731 01:16:38.600 --> 01:16:40.039 letters all over the place 1732 01:16:40.600 --> 01:16:42.560 that really helped alert 1733 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:43.880 the medical profession. 1734 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:46.479 And what was going on at that time and 1735 01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:48.680 still now is really like 1736 01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:53.119 a four alarm fire for medical emergencies 1737 01:16:53.119 --> 01:16:55.640 and a profound medical injustice. 1738 01:16:56.479 --> 01:16:59.399 [Woeful, heavy strings & keyboard music] 1739 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:03.800 It was just really agonizing to watch 1740 01:17:03.800 --> 01:17:07.319 this man deteriorate in the face 1741 01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:10.000 of brutality against his human 1742 01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:11.600 rights and his medical rights. 1743 01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:12.680 Being deprived of sunlight 1744 01:17:12.680 --> 01:17:14.439 is actually a very big deal. 1745 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:15.760 And that alone can really 1746 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:17.199 mess with your immune system and 1747 01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:19.119 can make all kinds of things happen. 1748 01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:22.840 I went into Belmarsh once 1749 01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:24.520 with Gabriel, his brother. 1750 01:17:25.119 --> 01:17:28.479 And we were both shocked to find Julian 1751 01:17:28.479 --> 01:17:29.680 had lost something 1752 01:17:29.680 --> 01:17:32.279 like 15 kilos in weight. 1753 01:17:32.279 --> 01:17:34.600 The worst condition that I saw him in 1754 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:35.399 during any of the 1755 01:17:35.399 --> 01:17:36.680 proceedings were the two 1756 01:17:36.720 --> 01:17:39.479 days in October when the High Court was 1757 01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:40.680 considering the appeal. 1758 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:42.560 I mean, he did not look well 1759 01:17:42.560 --> 01:17:43.920 physically or mentally. 1760 01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:46.520 It did not look like he was properly 1761 01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:47.319 following proceedings, 1762 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:49.279 that he possibly didn't 1763 01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:50.960 know much of what was going on. 1764 01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:53.560 From the outset, Doctors for Assange 1765 01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:58.239 had expressed concern about the potential for 1766 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:02.439 depression and suicide. 1767 01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:05.199 But in particular that psychological 1768 01:18:05.199 --> 01:18:07.800 stress predisposes to 1769 01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:11.039 cardiovascular consequences; 1770 01:18:11.039 --> 01:18:13.119 heart attacks and strokes. 1771 01:18:14.079 --> 01:18:15.720 I saw it on the monitor. 1772 01:18:16.600 --> 01:18:17.720 Julian looked ragged. 1773 01:18:18.239 --> 01:18:19.560 He looked very unwell. 1774 01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:20.920 He looked unkempt. 1775 01:18:22.560 --> 01:18:23.840 He looked like 1776 01:18:23.840 --> 01:18:26.800 somebody heavily medicated. 1777 01:18:26.800 --> 01:18:28.359 In fact, the Chief 1778 01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:30.800 Justice informed the court 1779 01:18:30.920 --> 01:18:33.560 he couldn't appear actually in person 1780 01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:36.800 because he was heavily medicated. 1781 01:18:37.039 --> 01:18:38.000 So that was that. 1782 01:18:38.000 --> 01:18:38.520 Off he went. 1783 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:40.000 He couldn't be there. 1784 01:18:41.279 --> 01:18:42.920 That was of course the two days 1785 01:18:42.920 --> 01:18:44.399 that we later found out the second day 1786 01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:46.520 he had suffered a mini stroke in prison. 1787 01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:47.920 So clearly there were 1788 01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:49.199 health issues going on there. 1789 01:18:49.479 --> 01:18:50.840 And the fact that 1790 01:18:50.840 --> 01:18:53.119 he didn't have this recognized 1791 01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:55.680 for months after it had occurred, 1792 01:18:56.279 --> 01:18:57.439 speaks volumes about 1793 01:18:57.439 --> 01:18:59.479 what medical care is like 1794 01:18:59.920 --> 01:19:00.920 in the prison system. 1795 01:19:01.359 --> 01:19:03.680 The irony is that in the 1796 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:04.680 course of that hearing, 1797 01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:06.760 while they were claiming 1798 01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:09.479 that the US could assure 1799 01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:11.720 his quality health care, 1800 01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:12.960 they were overlooking a 1801 01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:14.199 stroke that he was having 1802 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:15.520 right under their noses. 1803 01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:21.079 Doctors for Assange strongly believes 1804 01:19:21.439 --> 01:19:23.479 that the case should be dropped. 1805 01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:26.600 Julian Assange should walk free 1806 01:19:27.239 --> 01:19:30.079 and he should walk into a hospital 1807 01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:34.319 and get immediate, independent, 1808 01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:35.640 high quality medical care. 1809 01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:37.640 It's no surprise that he 1810 01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:39.000 actually did have a stroke 1811 01:19:39.680 --> 01:19:41.359 and it makes it 1812 01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:43.359 a continuing matter of urgency 1813 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:45.720 that he be released. 1814 01:19:45.720 --> 01:19:47.600 [Woeful, heavy strings & keyboard music] 1815 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:48.800 In other countries, 1816 01:19:49.199 --> 01:19:50.239 he could be done away 1817 01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:52.680 with much more quickly. 1818 01:19:53.239 --> 01:19:56.359 Here it can't really happen like that. 1819 01:19:56.399 --> 01:19:59.680 But the persecution of Julian 1820 01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:02.840 has been a kind of long, 1821 01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:06.319 slow form of 1822 01:20:07.600 --> 01:20:09.279 killing somebody. 1823 01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:14.960 [Woeful, heavy strings & keyboard music] 1824 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:20.920 [Dogs barking, men screaming] 1825 01:20:25.520 --> 01:20:28.079 [Loud talking, men screaming] 1826 01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:30.640 [Continuous background noise] 1827 01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:47.000 [Contemplative, slow, sombre piano music] 1828 01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:56.199 On the 8th of February, 2021, 1829 01:20:56.279 --> 01:20:58.359 21 human rights, 1830 01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:00.199 free speech and civil liberty 1831 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:03.439 advocacy organizations wrote a joint letter 1832 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:05.199 to the US Attorney General 1833 01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:07.720 expressing their profound concern 1834 01:21:08.079 --> 01:21:09.279 that the ongoing 1835 01:21:09.279 --> 01:21:11.800 criminal and extradition proceedings 1836 01:21:11.800 --> 01:21:13.840 relating to Julian Assange 1837 01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.119 posed a grave threat 1838 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:17.760 to press freedom 1839 01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:21.960 both in the United States and abroad. 1840 01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:26.199 Article 19 of the Universal Declaration 1841 01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:27.039 of Human Rights protects 1842 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:28.039 the right to free speech. 1843 01:21:28.680 --> 01:21:30.079 We have the right to free speech but that 1844 01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:30.960 can be limited in 1845 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:32.199 certain circumstances, 1846 01:21:32.199 --> 01:21:34.199 for example to protect public health 1847 01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:36.199 and safety, or to protect the 1848 01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:37.000 reputation of others, 1849 01:21:37.000 --> 01:21:38.560 or to protect national security. 1850 01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:40.159 In Julian's case, 1851 01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:41.640 he is protected by that right. 1852 01:21:42.239 --> 01:21:44.000 By publishing information and sharing 1853 01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:46.079 information with the public, 1854 01:21:46.079 --> 01:21:47.560 he was exercising the right 1855 01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:48.760 to free speech. 1856 01:21:49.039 --> 01:21:50.520 He did so in the public interest, 1857 01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:52.439 pursuing a publisher at all 1858 01:21:52.439 --> 01:21:53.600 for publishing information 1859 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:54.840 in the public interest, 1860 01:21:55.119 --> 01:21:57.079 does not comply with international 1861 01:21:57.079 --> 01:21:58.720 standards on free speech. 1862 01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:00.399 And that protection 1863 01:22:00.399 --> 01:22:02.680 under the Universal Declaration, 1864 01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:04.560 under the European Convention on Human Rights 1865 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:05.720 Article 10, 1866 01:22:05.720 --> 01:22:06.760 ought to protect 1867 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:08.319 Julian from this extradition. 1868 01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:12.520 We went to the United Nations Working Group 1869 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:13.520 on Arbitrary Detention, 1870 01:22:13.520 --> 01:22:14.520 which came down with a ruling 1871 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.680 saying that because he was forced 1872 01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:18.399 to remain in the embassy to protect himself 1873 01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:19.840 from US extradition, 1874 01:22:19.840 --> 01:22:21.880 Julian's position inside the embassy 1875 01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:24.119 amounted to detention, 1876 01:22:24.119 --> 01:22:26.439 and that that detention was unlawful and arbitrary. 1877 01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.000 [Melancholic, slow piano] 1878 01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:43.800 An indictment is a criminal charge 1879 01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:44.760 in relation to a 1880 01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:46.560 serious criminal accusation. 1881 01:22:47.640 --> 01:22:48.960 The second superseding indictment 1882 01:22:48.960 --> 01:22:50.560 involves 18 different charges, 1883 01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:52.880 which include 17 charges 1884 01:22:52.880 --> 01:22:54.279 under the Espionage Act, 1885 01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:56.640 and one charge under the CFAA. 1886 01:22:56.800 --> 01:22:58.359 This indictment relates to 1887 01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:00.880 the 2010 WikiLeaks publications 1888 01:23:00.880 --> 01:23:02.800 so the Collateral Murder publication, 1889 01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:05.000 the Rules Of Engagement Of Iraq, 1890 01:23:05.359 --> 01:23:06.960 The Diplomatic Cables, 1891 01:23:07.279 --> 01:23:08.159 The War Logs in 1892 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:10.039 respect of Iraq and Afghanistan 1893 01:23:10.039 --> 01:23:11.479 and the Guantanamo Bay files. 1894 01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:13.560 We filed a legal challenge 1895 01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:14.560 against that extradition, 1896 01:23:14.880 --> 01:23:15.880 which was heard over the 1897 01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:16.159 course of around 18 months. 1898 01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:17.760 course of around 18 months. 1899 01:23:18.199 --> 01:23:19.800 We raised concern about abuse of process 1900 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:20.760 related to the spying 1901 01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:21.960 on us as his legal team 1902 01:23:21.960 --> 01:23:22.880 and on Julian and his 1903 01:23:22.880 --> 01:23:23.680 medical professionals, 1904 01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:25.640 the way in which the United States 1905 01:23:25.640 --> 01:23:27.880 misdescribed the facts 1906 01:23:28.119 --> 01:23:29.439 in order to justify his extradition. 1907 01:23:29.760 --> 01:23:30.960 We also raised concern 1908 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:32.359 about the application 1909 01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:33.600 of the UK-US treaty. 1910 01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:37.039 That treaty prohibits extraditing someone 1911 01:23:37.039 --> 01:23:38.199 for a political offence. 1912 01:23:39.079 --> 01:23:43.239 [Sneaky, whimsical orchestral music with clarinet solo] 1913 01:23:56.520 --> 01:23:57.680 The United States has 1914 01:23:57.680 --> 01:23:59.199 applied for his extradition, 1915 01:23:59.199 --> 01:24:01.119 but he's treated as a criminal 1916 01:24:01.119 --> 01:24:03.720 in this glass corridor. 1917 01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:05.399 This is as if Julian is 1918 01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:06.920 a dangerous terrorist, 1919 01:24:07.199 --> 01:24:09.680 who's going to whip out an AK 1920 01:24:09.680 --> 01:24:12.560 and start gunning everyone down in the court. 1921 01:24:13.319 --> 01:24:15.399 I was sitting up in the gallery watching 1922 01:24:15.399 --> 01:24:19.560 this astonishing spectacle of injustice. 1923 01:24:21.119 --> 01:24:23.399 In order to talk to his lawyers, 1924 01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:25.720 he had to kneel down, 1925 01:24:25.720 --> 01:24:28.119 press his ear to the glass 1926 01:24:28.119 --> 01:24:29.760 so he could hear what they had to say 1927 01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:31.479 and to talk to him. 1928 01:24:31.920 --> 01:24:33.359 It was absurd. 1929 01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:36.880 It makes it very difficult for us as his 1930 01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:38.000 legal team to take 1931 01:24:38.000 --> 01:24:38.960 instructions from Julian. 1932 01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:41.239 When he's sitting behind us, we have to 1933 01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:42.520 be constantly watching to 1934 01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:43.800 see if he's got instructions 1935 01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:45.159 on what's happening during the course of 1936 01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:46.159 the hearing, 1937 01:24:46.159 --> 01:24:47.520 and it's very difficult to talk to him 1938 01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:49.800 in a secure and confidential way, 1939 01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:51.600 because in order for him to communicate to us, 1940 01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:53.520 he has to say it loud enough so that the 1941 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:55.199 people next to us can often hear it, 1942 01:24:55.199 --> 01:24:56.760 our opposing counsel. 1943 01:24:57.159 --> 01:24:59.720 That's unsatisfactory, of course. 1944 01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:00.840 And while our legal team 1945 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:01.560 made an application 1946 01:25:01.560 --> 01:25:02.640 during the course of the hearing 1947 01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:05.079 to have him sit with them, it was denied. 1948 01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.359 There's been case, after case, after case 1949 01:25:14.359 --> 01:25:16.079 brought against him. 1950 01:25:16.079 --> 01:25:17.520 This is what I would call 1951 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:18.880 punishment by process. 1952 01:25:19.199 --> 01:25:21.600 We are doing our best to push back on this 1953 01:25:21.600 --> 01:25:22.920 using legal process, 1954 01:25:22.920 --> 01:25:24.640 but it is incredibly political, 1955 01:25:24.640 --> 01:25:28.399 and anyone who observes this case 1956 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:30.399 ought to recognise that 1957 01:25:30.399 --> 01:25:31.760 this is a case that is political, 1958 01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:33.960 and it requires a political resolution. 1959 01:25:33.960 --> 01:25:36.680 [Melancholic, slow piano] 1960 01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:39.840 It's not a legal battle at all. 1961 01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:41.640 It's a political battle. 1962 01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:44.600 It is based on hateful and spiteful 1963 01:25:44.600 --> 01:25:47.920 revenge of a powerful entity 1964 01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:50.399 that wants to get back at the individual 1965 01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:52.159 who exposed the truth about it. 1966 01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:54.319 It is that simple. 1967 01:25:54.319 --> 01:25:56.560 This has made just a complete farce 1968 01:25:56.960 --> 01:26:00.680 out of the UK and the US judicial system, 1969 01:26:00.880 --> 01:26:02.119 our Department of Justice. 1970 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:03.960 All we have ever asked 1971 01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:09.600 is that the states obey their own laws 1972 01:26:09.600 --> 01:26:13.279 and stop these procedural irregularities. 1973 01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:14.960 The level of unlawful activity 1974 01:26:14.960 --> 01:26:17.039 in the pursuit of Julian Assange 1975 01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:17.920 should be enough to 1976 01:26:17.920 --> 01:26:19.760 have this entire case thrown out. 1977 01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:21.800 In the case of Daniel Ellsberg, 1978 01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:23.520 when it emerged that they had 1979 01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:26.000 broken into his psychiatrist's office 1980 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:27.960 and stolen his records, 1981 01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:31.880 that was enough to throw out the entire case. 1982 01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:33.800 This is a political 1983 01:26:33.800 --> 01:26:37.079 persecution that has used the law, 1984 01:26:37.640 --> 01:26:40.760 extradition law, as a tool 1985 01:26:40.760 --> 01:26:43.720 to further its political agenda. 1986 01:26:44.119 --> 01:26:46.640 For all these matters to be argued as 1987 01:26:46.640 --> 01:26:50.079 points of law is obscene. 1988 01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:53.640 It's obscene in any terms 1989 01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:55.319 of natural justice. 1990 01:26:55.560 --> 01:26:57.720 What the English judiciary showed 1991 01:26:57.720 --> 01:26:59.760 [Sinister, slow piano and cello] 1992 01:26:59.760 --> 01:27:02.600 was that by and large these judges are 1993 01:27:02.600 --> 01:27:06.840 genetically bent. They basically do what 1994 01:27:06.840 --> 01:27:08.800 the state tells them to do. 1995 01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:11.000 They are ultra-deferential to the 1996 01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:12.439 intelligence agencies 1997 01:27:12.439 --> 01:27:13.880 because they are part of that system. 1998 01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:18.800 [Atmospheric, drone synth music] 1999 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:34.079 The response of 2000 01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:35.680 various Australian Prime Ministers 2001 01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:37.239 and various Australian governments 2002 01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:39.840 has either been one of silence, 2003 01:27:39.840 --> 01:27:41.880 just wanting to sweep it under the carpet 2004 01:27:41.880 --> 01:27:43.199 and forget about it. 2005 01:27:43.560 --> 01:27:45.239 Alternatively it's been one of 2006 01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:47.359 complete and utter acquiescence 2007 01:27:47.359 --> 01:27:50.199 and subservience to the United States, 2008 01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:51.439 like we're somehow an 2009 01:27:51.439 --> 01:27:53.119 extra state of America 2010 01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.479 and that we have to do whatever they want. 2011 01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:58.399 Julia Gillard was lock in step 2012 01:27:58.399 --> 01:27:59.800 with the United States. 2013 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:02.760 I can recall all sorts of 2014 01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:05.520 negative aspersions cast on Julian Assange 2015 01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:07.640 like he was some sort of terrorist. 2016 01:28:07.880 --> 01:28:11.960 Gillard started the official Australian 2017 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:13.720 persecution of Julian. 2018 01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:16.600 Kevin Rudd largely didn't say anything 2019 01:28:16.600 --> 01:28:17.880 about Julian Assange, 2020 01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:19.199 same with Tony Abbott. 2021 01:28:19.800 --> 01:28:21.560 Then we got onto Malcolm Turnbull wanting 2022 01:28:21.560 --> 01:28:23.039 to just say that this guy 2023 01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:24.760 deserved to face justice. 2024 01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:25.840 Same with Scott Morrison. 2025 01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:28.119 Well what sort of justice do they want 2026 01:28:28.119 --> 01:28:29.800 him to face, justice for what? 2027 01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:32.439 For doing the work of a journalist? 2028 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:35.880 It is time for this matter 2029 01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:37.720 to be brought to a conclusion. 2030 01:28:38.640 --> 01:28:42.279 In that I don't express any personal 2031 01:28:42.279 --> 01:28:43.399 sympathy with some of 2032 01:28:43.399 --> 01:28:44.880 the actions of Mr Assange. 2033 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:48.239 Albanese did say that he thinks 2034 01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:49.039 this matter should be 2035 01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:51.039 brought to a close quickly. 2036 01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:54.079 I don't know what that means. 2037 01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:55.560 I don't know whether that means 2038 01:28:55.560 --> 01:28:56.760 just get on with it. 2039 01:28:57.279 --> 01:28:59.359 Get him over there, put him on trial. 2040 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:01.119 It's almost as if they're saying 2041 01:29:01.119 --> 01:29:03.000 like the previous government 2042 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:03.600 that he should have been 2043 01:29:03.600 --> 01:29:04.760 brought to trial earlier 2044 01:29:04.760 --> 01:29:06.840 and punished and convicted earlier. 2045 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:09.119 That's not talking to 2046 01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:10.079 the core problem here. 2047 01:29:10.439 --> 01:29:12.000 The core problem isn't that he hasn't 2048 01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:13.239 been prosecuted and 2049 01:29:13.239 --> 01:29:14.560 persecuted quickly enough. 2050 01:29:15.279 --> 01:29:16.920 The core problem is that he's been 2051 01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:18.520 prosecuted and persecuted 2052 01:29:18.520 --> 01:29:19.600 in the first place. 2053 01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:22.399 The quiet diplomacy we're seeing in 2054 01:29:22.399 --> 01:29:24.960 relation to Julian Assange 2055 01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:26.800 really does look a lot like 2056 01:29:27.119 --> 01:29:28.319 bugger all diplomacy. 2057 01:29:28.640 --> 01:29:31.279 This literally could happen to anybody 2058 01:29:31.279 --> 01:29:33.159 if they travel overseas 2059 01:29:33.159 --> 01:29:35.359 and they offend the US government 2060 01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:37.800 and it shouldn't matter which government 2061 01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:39.840 is targeting Australians. 2062 01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:41.520 You should always have your own 2063 01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:42.680 government in your corner 2064 01:29:42.680 --> 01:29:44.159 to try and protect you. 2065 01:29:47.560 --> 01:29:50.359 Isn't it ironic that no-one 2066 01:29:50.359 --> 01:29:52.680 who instigated that illegal and immoral war 2067 01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:54.000 has been brought to justice, 2068 01:29:54.319 --> 01:29:57.560 but the great truth-teller sits behind bars, 2069 01:29:57.560 --> 01:29:59.600 waiting 175 years 2070 01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:01.439 a virtual death sentence. 2071 01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:04.199 Are we going to let that stand? 2072 01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:06.720 This is the Australian parliament. 2073 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:09.520 Julian Assange is an Australian citizen. 2074 01:30:10.760 --> 01:30:12.760 It is un-Australian 2075 01:30:12.760 --> 01:30:15.039 for us to turn our back on a mate. 2076 01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:20.399 When the government can't say 2077 01:30:20.399 --> 01:30:21.880 what they're doing 2078 01:30:21.880 --> 01:30:23.880 to bring an Australian citizen home 2079 01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:27.680 - who's facing potentially a life imprisonment 2080 01:30:27.680 --> 01:30:29.239 and they're refusing to give that answer 2081 01:30:29.239 --> 01:30:30.600 when they're directly questioned 2082 01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:32.319 on the floor of parliament, 2083 01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:34.640 well, we have ourselves a democratic problem? 2084 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:36.920 The message they are sending 2085 01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:39.119 is if you disclose our lies 2086 01:30:39.119 --> 01:30:41.560 and our corruption, our war crimes, 2087 01:30:41.600 --> 01:30:43.560 we will come after you 2088 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:46.479 with the full power of our state 2089 01:30:46.479 --> 01:30:49.000 and we will do everything we possibly can 2090 01:30:49.000 --> 01:30:50.600 to crush you. 2091 01:30:51.520 --> 01:30:52.760 That's the message they are sending. 2092 01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:54.000 That is why they are not 2093 01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:55.520 giving up on Julian Assange. 2094 01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:57.840 Are we going to let that stand? 2095 01:30:59.319 --> 01:31:01.359 No we are not. 2096 01:31:02.560 --> 01:31:05.800 [Atmospheric, drone synth music] 2097 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:11.239 I some time ago made my point 2098 01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:13.199 that enough is enough. 2099 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:15.800 Yeah, it was a cryptic terminology. 2100 01:31:16.000 --> 01:31:17.960 They've chosen their words carefully 2101 01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:19.159 because they feel like 2102 01:31:19.159 --> 01:31:20.680 they're in between, 2103 01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:22.199 the devil and the deep blue sea. 2104 01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:24.720 They say, enough is enough 2105 01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:26.239 and they want to end it 2106 01:31:26.239 --> 01:31:27.800 but it's quite ambiguous 2107 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.159 about how they want to end it. 2108 01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:30.560 The fact that neither our Prime Minister 2109 01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:32.000 or the Attorney General 2110 01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:34.039 will publicly criticise 2111 01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:35.640 the United States, 2112 01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:37.279 the fact that they're refusing to do that 2113 01:31:37.279 --> 01:31:40.199 even in the most obscene circumstances, 2114 01:31:40.199 --> 01:31:44.439 goes to show just how subservient 2115 01:31:44.439 --> 01:31:46.720 the Australian government has become 2116 01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:48.359 to this kind of overarching policy 2117 01:31:48.359 --> 01:31:49.960 position for the United States. 2118 01:31:49.960 --> 01:31:52.680 That's not a relationship of friends and equals, 2119 01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:55.520 that's a relationship of deputy/ sheriff. 2120 01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:57.760 There's a Friends of Julian Assange group 2121 01:31:57.760 --> 01:31:59.840 in the federal parliament 2122 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:01.000 and the numbers are building 2123 01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:03.920 - not just in the Greens but across parliament. 2124 01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:06.560 But what is critically missing, 2125 01:32:06.560 --> 01:32:07.920 it's getting the Attorney-General 2126 01:32:07.920 --> 01:32:09.279 and the Prime Minister. 2127 01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:14.399 The one government I think that can possibly 2128 01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:16.399 change this 2129 01:32:16.399 --> 01:32:18.920 almost inexorable journey 2130 01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:21.319 to the United States, 2131 01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:23.920 is the Australian government. 2132 01:32:24.520 --> 01:32:27.000 I don't believe for a moment they want to 2133 01:32:27.760 --> 01:32:32.880 because they are integrated in the United States 2134 01:32:32.880 --> 01:32:36.319 strategic control of their part of the world. 2135 01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:39.479 But this government hasn't had enough 2136 01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:43.760 public outcry, enough pressure. 2137 01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:46.840 People saying: 2138 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:50.800 "this is a man who has committed no crime, 2139 01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:52.319 bring him home, 2140 01:32:52.319 --> 01:32:54.720 declare yourself independent". 2141 01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:58.199 They're all highly improbable, all these things 2142 01:32:58.199 --> 01:32:59.199 because I've never known 2143 01:32:59.199 --> 01:33:02.279 an Australian government since 1975 2144 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:04.760 that has declared itself independent. 2145 01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:13.000 How the hell has this situation 2146 01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:14.800 been allowed to get this far? 2147 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:18.199 From day dot someone should have said: 2148 01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:19.680 "No, no, no, no, no. 2149 01:33:19.680 --> 01:33:21.840 Julian Assange is an Australian citizen 2150 01:33:22.399 --> 01:33:25.119 who has afforded all the rights and liberties 2151 01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:26.039 of an Australian. 2152 01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:28.239 And I don't care what country you are, 2153 01:33:28.479 --> 01:33:29.920 you are not going to have 2154 01:33:29.920 --> 01:33:33.239 your laws apply to our citizen 2155 01:33:33.239 --> 01:33:35.800 when they're not even in your bloody country. 2156 01:33:41.840 --> 01:33:45.840 Obama decided not to call for Julian's 2157 01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:48.880 extradition because what 2158 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:52.399 WikiLeaks did by publishing this 2159 01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:54.279 leaked material was no different from 2160 01:33:54.279 --> 01:33:55.399 what the New York Times did. 2161 01:33:55.399 --> 01:33:57.039 They called it "the New York Times problem". 2162 01:33:57.520 --> 01:34:00.880 The Trump administration, 2163 01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:03.439 after the release of Vault 7, 2164 01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:07.359 was essentially coerced by the CIA 2165 01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:10.520 and the intelligence community 2166 01:34:10.520 --> 01:34:13.279 to extradite or call for 2167 01:34:13.279 --> 01:34:15.199 the extradition of Julian. 2168 01:34:15.880 --> 01:34:19.079 The Biden administration, again beholden 2169 01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:22.039 to the intelligence community, 2170 01:34:22.039 --> 01:34:25.640 has continued that process 2171 01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:27.760 of attempting to extradite Julian. 2172 01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:31.439 If I became president, 2173 01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:32.720 I would pardon Julian Assange 2174 01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:33.960 on day one. 2175 01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:37.720 We're supposed to be the 2176 01:34:37.720 --> 01:34:38.960 exemplary democracy. 2177 01:34:40.199 --> 01:34:41.359 We're supposed to be the 2178 01:34:41.359 --> 01:34:43.279 world's global champion 2179 01:34:43.279 --> 01:34:44.359 for freedom of speech, 2180 01:34:44.359 --> 01:34:45.840 freedom of expression. 2181 01:34:47.479 --> 01:34:51.239 We're supposed to stand for the idea that 2182 01:34:51.239 --> 01:34:54.079 the people own the government 2183 01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:57.319 and we have the capacity 2184 01:34:57.319 --> 01:34:59.880 and the power to criticize our government 2185 01:34:59.880 --> 01:35:01.680 without fear of reprisal 2186 01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:04.119 without fear of imprisonment or punishment. 2187 01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:07.920 On 27 June 2024, 2188 01:35:07.920 --> 01:35:10.479 after Assange arrived home a free man, 2189 01:35:10.479 --> 01:35:13.279 Australian Prime Minister Albanese took credit for his 2190 01:35:13.279 --> 01:35:16.039 freedom stating: "We have got this done", 2191 01:35:16.239 --> 01:35:18.920 and thanking Australian officials who quote: 2192 01:35:18.920 --> 01:35:21.680 "worked tirelessly on his case". 2193 01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:24.199 At no time, however, during the two years 2194 01:35:24.199 --> 01:35:27.479 of Albanese's leadership whilst Julian was in prison, 2195 01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:30.600 did he call for the outright freedom of Assange, 2196 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:32.920 or update the public on any details 2197 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:34.560 regarding the progress of 2198 01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:36.880 negotiations for his freedom. 2199 01:35:37.720 --> 01:35:42.239 [Tense, foreboding piano & synth music] 2200 01:35:50.039 --> 01:35:53.600 We live in societies that afford us many 2201 01:35:53.600 --> 01:35:54.960 freedoms, certainly, 2202 01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:57.760 but there are societies with facades. 2203 01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:02.239 And behind those facades of democracy 2204 01:36:02.239 --> 01:36:04.760 and popular participation, 2205 01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:07.039 there is ruthless power. 2206 01:36:07.039 --> 01:36:08.560 [Explosion sound] 2207 01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:11.880 And this power regards WikiLeaks and Julian 2208 01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:13.399 [Explosion sound] 2209 01:36:13.399 --> 01:36:14.960 as a threat. 2210 01:36:16.119 --> 01:36:18.800 Much of the rage that's directed against 2211 01:36:19.319 --> 01:36:22.840 Julian is centered around 2212 01:36:22.840 --> 01:36:25.920 the fact that WikiLeaks exposed 2213 01:36:26.600 --> 01:36:28.279 not just the war crimes, 2214 01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:30.159 but the illegalities, 2215 01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:34.800 the lies, the uses of torture, 2216 01:36:34.800 --> 01:36:37.640 the widespread killing of civilians, 2217 01:36:38.119 --> 01:36:39.479 all of the internal 2218 01:36:39.479 --> 01:36:43.159 dynamics of war and empire. 2219 01:36:43.640 --> 01:36:47.920 And that portrait of the machinery of empire 2220 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:51.800 is so sordid and so brutal 2221 01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:55.960 that it challenges or demolishes 2222 01:36:55.960 --> 01:36:58.640 the facade that empire puts up 2223 01:36:58.680 --> 01:37:03.279 to project itself as a good and virtuous nation 2224 01:37:03.279 --> 01:37:04.960 that seeks to 2225 01:37:05.000 --> 01:37:06.520 overthrow tyranny in the 2226 01:37:06.520 --> 01:37:08.319 case of Saddam Hussein or 2227 01:37:08.920 --> 01:37:10.760 fight terrorism in the case of the 2228 01:37:10.760 --> 01:37:12.399 occupation of Afghanistan. 2229 01:37:13.079 --> 01:37:16.039 All of those cliches that are used to 2230 01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:17.319 justify the crimes of 2231 01:37:17.319 --> 01:37:18.800 empire were imploded. 2232 01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:22.640 The way in which they've dealt with Julian 2233 01:37:22.640 --> 01:37:25.079 shows how panic-stricken 2234 01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:27.880 our rulers have become. 2235 01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:33.239 The American government is determined to have him 2236 01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:36.880 on this, Trump and Biden, no differences at all. 2237 01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:38.920 Get him in and lock him up 2238 01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:40.319 and let him die in prison. 2239 01:37:40.920 --> 01:37:42.239 That's the message. 2240 01:37:43.159 --> 01:37:46.279 It's only through the attacks, 2241 01:37:46.279 --> 01:37:48.960 through Julian's persecution, you know, 2242 01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:50.760 through the corruption 2243 01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:53.640 that lets us really understand 2244 01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:55.920 how important the releases are, 2245 01:37:55.920 --> 01:37:58.680 the extent that these people will go to 2246 01:37:59.159 --> 01:38:01.399 to cover up their crimes. 2247 01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:04.840 The Central Intelligence Agency, 2248 01:38:04.840 --> 01:38:07.880 one of their tasks, is to assassinate people. 2249 01:38:08.600 --> 01:38:10.439 I mean, we shouldn't be surprised by that. 2250 01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:11.600 They've done it for, 2251 01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:14.600 you know, nearly a hundred years now. 2252 01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:17.960 That's their job, to rub out people 2253 01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:20.159 who are considered risks 2254 01:38:20.159 --> 01:38:22.720 or who they think would 2255 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:26.520 seriously damage U.S. interests. 2256 01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:29.680 In most cases, these are political opponents of 2257 01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:31.960 the American Empire and they 2258 01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:33.520 have been rubbing them out in 2259 01:38:33.520 --> 01:38:34.800 most parts of the world. 2260 01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:36.119 I mean, from that point of view, 2261 01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:37.359 they're like a mafia. 2262 01:38:38.119 --> 01:38:41.439 "X, take him out". And the fact that they 2263 01:38:41.439 --> 01:38:43.880 considered doing this to Julian 2264 01:38:43.880 --> 01:38:45.479 is appalling, of course, 2265 01:38:45.479 --> 01:38:47.760 but we shouldn't be surprised. 2266 01:38:48.239 --> 01:38:50.600 What we saw with WikiLeaks 2267 01:38:50.600 --> 01:38:52.159 is certainly the most important 2268 01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:54.119 window into the inner 2269 01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:56.359 workings of the American Empire, 2270 01:38:56.600 --> 01:38:58.600 in our generation. That's why the 2271 01:38:58.600 --> 01:39:00.199 persecution against Julian 2272 01:39:00.199 --> 01:39:01.920 is so egregious. 2273 01:39:02.359 --> 01:39:05.079 This U.S extradition case has been falling apart 2274 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:07.079 since the moment it started. 2275 01:39:07.079 --> 01:39:08.479 And it is also proving 2276 01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:11.399 to be devastating for the U.S. in the courts, 2277 01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:12.680 not only because 2278 01:39:13.079 --> 01:39:14.600 the U.S. prison system 2279 01:39:14.600 --> 01:39:16.960 and its inhumane conditions 2280 01:39:17.479 --> 01:39:19.800 is exposed before these courts 2281 01:39:19.800 --> 01:39:22.600 in its full barbarity, 2282 01:39:23.199 --> 01:39:26.439 but also because the crimes 2283 01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:28.520 that have been undertaken by 2284 01:39:28.520 --> 01:39:31.960 the U.S. government against Julian are 2285 01:39:31.960 --> 01:39:34.800 also exposed before these courts. 2286 01:39:35.520 --> 01:39:37.760 Governments now live by secrets. 2287 01:39:37.760 --> 01:39:40.399 They don't live by elections. 2288 01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:42.720 They live by secrets. 2289 01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:44.760 That's why they don't want you to have them. 2290 01:39:44.760 --> 01:39:46.880 That's why they don't want you to know about 2291 01:39:47.319 --> 01:39:50.119 the wars that they conduct secretly. 2292 01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:53.520 International law is equally under threat. 2293 01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:55.840 The Americans break it every day. 2294 01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:58.680 They're a lawless state. All the more reason why a 2295 01:39:58.680 --> 01:39:59.880 Assange shouldn't be sent there. 2296 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:03.479 It's a crime that we have to be here 2297 01:40:03.479 --> 01:40:04.920 in support of the person 2298 01:40:04.920 --> 01:40:06.880 who more than anyone else 2299 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:11.720 has exposed U.S. war crimes in Afghanistan and Iraq. 2300 01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:13.840 The criminals walk free 2301 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:16.199 and Julian Assange is persecuted. 2302 01:40:16.199 --> 01:40:18.199 That is a crime. 2303 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:28.439 [Heavy whoosh & impact sound] 2304 01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:44.199 [Heavy whoosh & impact sound] 2305 01:40:49.439 --> 01:40:54.279 [Heavy whoosh & impact sound] 2306 01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:10.319 [Heavy whoosh & impact sound] 2307 01:41:20.960 --> 01:41:25.800 [Heavy whoosh & impact sound] 2308 01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:40.760 [Heavy whoosh & impact sound] 2309 01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:05.079 [Heavy whoosh & impact sound] 2310 01:42:17.039 --> 01:42:21.880 [Sad keyboard synth music] 2311 01:42:36.279 --> 01:42:41.119 [Dreamy, melancholic piano music] 2312 01:42:48.760 --> 01:42:50.960 It's the big picture of the war, 2313 01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:54.600 how nearly all the deaths are in 2314 01:42:54.600 --> 01:42:56.680 incidences that kill just one 2315 01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:59.960 or two people. A little girl on the 2316 01:42:59.960 --> 01:43:03.600 street in a yellow dress who would 2317 01:43:03.600 --> 01:43:05.279 frequently go to collect 2318 01:43:05.319 --> 01:43:07.760 candy and so on from US troops, 2319 01:43:07.760 --> 01:43:10.399 one day a tank goes past and 2320 01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:12.079 for an inexplicable reason 2321 01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:16.199 a shooter comes out of the US tank and 2322 01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:18.079 blows her away. 2323 01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:21.079 There are just so many of these instances. 2324 01:43:29.680 --> 01:43:32.079 [Explosion sound] 2325 01:43:32.079 --> 01:43:34.479 It's not unless we're confronted with the 2326 01:43:34.479 --> 01:43:36.279 full impact of what's happening 2327 01:43:36.760 --> 01:43:39.319 that we become engaged not just with our 2328 01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:41.239 heads but with our hearts. 2329 01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:43.680 I'm a grandmother and I think 2330 01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:48.159 for people to be concerned about 2331 01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:50.439 press freedom, about democracy, 2332 01:43:50.439 --> 01:43:53.960 sometimes it's a concept 2333 01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:58.680 and they can't necessarily relate to it. 2334 01:43:58.680 --> 01:44:00.640 It's not going to bring 2335 01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:01.960 them out on the streets, 2336 01:44:01.960 --> 01:44:04.319 it's not going to you know trigger them 2337 01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:05.079 to go to their 2338 01:44:05.079 --> 01:44:07.279 politician, their local politician, 2339 01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:09.319 and say look you have to bring a stop to this. 2340 01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:14.600 But the lives of our families 2341 01:44:14.600 --> 01:44:17.239 are important to all of us, 2342 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:18.239 to all of us 2343 01:44:18.239 --> 01:44:23.079 and this is what Julian's trying to prevent. 2344 01:44:23.079 --> 01:44:25.560 What he's saying is that if we 2345 01:44:25.560 --> 01:44:28.319 knew the truth about wars 2346 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:30.159 then they wouldn't happen, 2347 01:44:30.159 --> 01:44:31.239 they wouldn't happen. 2348 01:44:31.239 --> 01:44:33.960 When people ask me about Julian and WikiLeaks and the 2349 01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:36.039 information they released 2350 01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:38.960 I say go to Iraq, ask an Iraqi, 2351 01:44:39.479 --> 01:44:42.479 ask a mother whose children were killed 2352 01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:43.640 by a drone strike 2353 01:44:43.640 --> 01:44:47.359 in Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or Somalia, 2354 01:44:47.800 --> 01:44:50.680 or Syria - what they think of WikiLeaks. 2355 01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:53.520 What Julian and WikiLeaks 2356 01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:55.359 did was give a voice to 2357 01:44:55.800 --> 01:44:58.520 those who are denied a voice. 2358 01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:00.079 The goal is not 2359 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:02.560 to completely subjugate Afghanistan, 2360 01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:04.640 the goal is to use Afghanistan 2361 01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:07.279 to wash money out of the tax 2362 01:45:07.399 --> 01:45:10.079 bases of the United States, out of the 2363 01:45:10.079 --> 01:45:12.840 tax bases of European countries through 2364 01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:14.399 Afghanistan and back 2365 01:45:14.399 --> 01:45:16.359 into the hands of a transnational 2366 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:19.920 security elite. That is the goal, i.e. 2367 01:45:19.920 --> 01:45:21.319 the goal is to have 2368 01:45:21.359 --> 01:45:22.600 an endless war, 2369 01:45:22.600 --> 01:45:24.520 not a successful war. 2370 01:45:25.720 --> 01:45:30.640 Wars are a result of lies. 2371 01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:33.359 The Vietnam War and the push 2372 01:45:34.079 --> 01:45:37.680 for US involvement was a result of the 2373 01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:39.760 Gulf of Tonkin incident. 2374 01:45:40.960 --> 01:45:42.479 A lie. 2375 01:45:43.479 --> 01:45:45.960 The Iraq war famously 2376 01:45:46.319 --> 01:45:48.920 is a result of lies. 2377 01:45:51.359 --> 01:45:53.439 Wars in Somalia are 2378 01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:54.960 a result of lies. 2379 01:45:55.560 --> 01:45:57.479 The Second World War and the German 2380 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:00.199 invasion of Poland was a result of 2381 01:46:00.199 --> 01:46:01.760 carefully constructed lies. 2382 01:46:03.319 --> 01:46:05.720 If wars can be started by lies, 2383 01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:08.560 peace can be started by truth. 2384 01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:13.079 [Applause sound] 2385 01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:17.920 [Sad, nostalgic, rhythmic piano music] 2386 01:46:19.359 --> 01:46:23.800 He's the most brilliant, beautiful human 2387 01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:25.119 being I've ever met. 2388 01:46:25.119 --> 01:46:28.159 He's incredibly caring and loving 2389 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:30.760 and fun to be around. 2390 01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:32.520 Very funny. 2391 01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:34.720 Julian had received a gift of VR, 2392 01:46:34.720 --> 01:46:37.439 a virtual reality headset. 2393 01:46:37.760 --> 01:46:40.600 One day when I was in the embassy he told 2394 01:46:40.600 --> 01:46:42.039 me to put this headset on 2395 01:46:42.039 --> 01:46:43.880 and kind of led me through 2396 01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:46.439 this house that had these surprises in 2397 01:46:46.439 --> 01:46:49.920 and the last one was led me down some 2398 01:46:49.920 --> 01:46:52.680 stairs to the outside bit 2399 01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:55.520 and the beach and he told me to look up 2400 01:46:56.640 --> 01:46:58.920 and that was his proposal. 2401 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:01.039 It was a long time coming, 2402 01:47:01.079 --> 01:47:03.239 our wedding and obviously when he got 2403 01:47:03.239 --> 01:47:04.640 arrested it seemed like it 2404 01:47:04.640 --> 01:47:07.840 was further away than ever 2405 01:47:07.840 --> 01:47:10.600 but then we decided well we should we should 2406 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:12.479 go ahead and and get married, 2407 01:47:12.479 --> 01:47:15.079 even though circumstances aren't ideal. 2408 01:47:15.520 --> 01:47:18.039 The day itself we weren't 2409 01:47:18.039 --> 01:47:21.159 allowed to marry in the chapel. 2410 01:47:21.159 --> 01:47:23.680 We married in a featureless room. 2411 01:47:23.680 --> 01:47:25.239 The British authorities are 2412 01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:27.119 terrified of having 2413 01:47:27.119 --> 01:47:30.720 Julian's situation scrutinized. 2414 01:47:31.359 --> 01:47:33.319 What convinces me of this even more is 2415 01:47:33.319 --> 01:47:34.560 the fact that they're 2416 01:47:34.560 --> 01:47:36.000 terrified of our wedding picture 2417 01:47:36.000 --> 01:47:37.920 being made public. 2418 01:47:37.920 --> 01:47:39.800 We tried to get a photographer in 2419 01:47:39.800 --> 01:47:41.520 of our own choosing. 2420 01:47:41.520 --> 01:47:43.680 That was denied. 2421 01:47:43.680 --> 01:47:46.119 The wedding pictures were taken on condition 2422 01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:47.600 that we wouldn't give them to 2423 01:47:47.600 --> 01:47:48.960 the press, wouldn't put them 2424 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:50.439 on social media. 2425 01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:52.520 I finally received the 2426 01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:54.680 wedding pictures a week or 2427 01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:57.800 so ago and they're printed on 2428 01:47:57.800 --> 01:48:01.399 normal A4 paper so not photographic paper. 2429 01:48:01.399 --> 01:48:03.600 Incredibly pixelated so you can 2430 01:48:03.600 --> 01:48:05.000 you know you can see 2431 01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:06.880 there's a smile but you can't see any 2432 01:48:06.880 --> 01:48:08.039 detail to the smile. 2433 01:48:10.880 --> 01:48:15.720 [Sad, pensive, slow piano music] 2434 01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:19.920 I don't use the word "prison." 2435 01:48:20.840 --> 01:48:21.600 They know he's somewhere 2436 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:25.079 where he doesn't want to be. 2437 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:28.479 I say, we're going to where daddy is. 2438 01:48:29.079 --> 01:48:33.640 It's strange how much in popular culture 2439 01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:35.399 there are a lot of references to prisons. 2440 01:48:35.399 --> 01:48:37.079 So I don't know when it will 2441 01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:38.880 click that that's a prison. 2442 01:48:39.479 --> 01:48:41.640 I don't see the point of telling them 2443 01:48:43.159 --> 01:48:45.199 the reality of the situation that 2444 01:48:45.199 --> 01:48:47.239 Julian's in a prison. 2445 01:48:48.439 --> 01:48:49.439 I don't tell them that 2446 01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:51.520 he's facing extradition, 2447 01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:54.920 that he might be taken away from us. 2448 01:48:55.800 --> 01:48:57.960 The attitude we have is to 2449 01:48:57.960 --> 01:48:59.760 make the most of the time 2450 01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:02.880 we have together because we 2451 01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:04.680 don't know how long 2452 01:49:04.680 --> 01:49:05.920 we have together. 2453 01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:07.239 So if these are the only 2454 01:49:07.239 --> 01:49:08.319 memories they have of their 2455 01:49:08.319 --> 01:49:10.960 father, then it has to be as 2456 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:15.479 light and happy as possible. 2457 01:49:17.079 --> 01:49:20.319 [Crowd noises] 2458 01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:23.199 Free Julian Assange 2459 01:49:23.199 --> 01:49:25.359 Free Julian Assange 2460 01:49:28.119 --> 01:49:29.760 Last month, I went to visit 2461 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:31.760 my brother Julian in Belmarsh prison. 2462 01:49:32.680 --> 01:49:33.520 It had been a year 2463 01:49:33.520 --> 01:49:35.159 since I had seen him last. 2464 01:49:36.640 --> 01:49:38.359 I hugged him, and he told me 2465 01:49:38.359 --> 01:49:40.680 this place he was in was hell. 2466 01:49:42.239 --> 01:49:44.760 I instantly understood what he meant. 2467 01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:47.319 A yellow inmate's armband 2468 01:49:47.319 --> 01:49:49.119 wound tightly around his arm, 2469 01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:52.520 exposed how emaciated he had become 2470 01:49:52.520 --> 01:49:54.680 underneath his baggy prison clothes. 2471 01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:56.760 Afterwards, my daughter 2472 01:49:56.760 --> 01:49:58.560 wanted to know why her uncle was 2473 01:49:58.560 --> 01:49:59.119 locked up. 2474 01:50:00.479 --> 01:50:02.760 Has he done something bad, Dad? 2475 01:50:03.199 --> 01:50:04.039 She asked. 2476 01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:06.600 I struggled to explain in 2477 01:50:06.600 --> 01:50:08.319 a way a five-year-old could understand. 2478 01:50:08.920 --> 01:50:11.079 Visiting hours are very, very precious. 2479 01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:13.319 Sorry, I'm a bit upset. 2480 01:50:16.319 --> 01:50:18.119 Yes, it's my first visit, yes. 2481 01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:20.720 What are you finding most upsetting? 2482 01:50:21.319 --> 01:50:23.560 Well, Julian is a 2483 01:50:23.560 --> 01:50:26.399 gentle intellectual 2484 01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:28.479 in a maximum security prison. 2485 01:50:29.239 --> 01:50:31.640 I've taken so many steps for so many 2486 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:34.840 years and I feel like 2487 01:50:34.840 --> 01:50:38.399 Julian's life might be coming to an end. 2488 01:50:39.239 --> 01:50:41.199 It's been years of 2489 01:50:41.359 --> 01:50:44.800 breaking someone down, 2490 01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:47.520 of trying to destroy his life. 2491 01:50:48.199 --> 01:50:50.680 Somehow everyone has failed Julian. 2492 01:50:52.000 --> 01:50:53.760 We have the right to exist. 2493 01:50:56.760 --> 01:50:58.159 We have a right to live. 2494 01:50:58.880 --> 01:50:59.840 And we have a right 2495 01:50:59.840 --> 01:51:01.279 for this nightmare 2496 01:51:01.279 --> 01:51:02.760 to come to an end 2497 01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:03.840 once and for all. 2498 01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:05.960 Thank you. 2499 01:51:07.720 --> 01:51:13.560 [Unintelligible muffled talking, crowd noise] 2500 01:51:31.159 --> 01:51:34.119 [Heavy, atmospheric piano & synths music] 2501 01:51:35.279 --> 01:51:38.239 What we have to do if we don't want to 2502 01:51:38.239 --> 01:51:39.640 head towards a nuclear 2503 01:51:39.640 --> 01:51:42.399 Armageddon is to try and arrest 2504 01:51:42.560 --> 01:51:45.319 this process, try and make them more 2505 01:51:45.319 --> 01:51:49.199 accountable, support whistleblowers, 2506 01:51:49.800 --> 01:51:52.960 support proper journalism. 2507 01:51:53.479 --> 01:51:55.720 It's not clear where the fight stops or 2508 01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:57.119 what's going to end it, 2509 01:51:57.119 --> 01:51:58.960 but it's really clear that 2510 01:51:58.960 --> 01:52:00.560 we have to keep fighting it. 2511 01:52:00.800 --> 01:52:03.199 Intimidation is the 2512 01:52:03.199 --> 01:52:05.720 principle purpose of most torture. 2513 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:08.800 It's being used against Julian Assange 2514 01:52:08.800 --> 01:52:10.560 to intimidate the world, 2515 01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:12.199 to show them if ever 2516 01:52:12.479 --> 01:52:16.000 you get the idea to expose our dirty laundry, to the world, 2517 01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:17.600 this is what's going to happen to you. 2518 01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:19.520 It's a deterrence. 2519 01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:21.880 They are basically saying to people, 2520 01:52:22.439 --> 01:52:24.239 "You want to leak stuff? 2521 01:52:25.560 --> 01:52:27.199 See what we did to Assange." 2522 01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:31.119 I have two children in primary school age. 2523 01:52:31.119 --> 01:52:32.760 I cannot leave a 2524 01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:35.279 world to them where it has 2525 01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:36.960 become a crime to tell the truth. 2526 01:52:37.000 --> 01:52:39.039 I mean, what has he done to 2527 01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:41.640 damage security? Nothing. 2528 01:52:42.760 --> 01:52:44.199 Absolutely nothing. 2529 01:52:44.720 --> 01:52:46.119 He's just effectively 2530 01:52:46.279 --> 01:52:49.640 told the truth as a journalist. 2531 01:52:49.640 --> 01:52:51.359 Published it. 2532 01:52:51.359 --> 01:52:52.199 A truth that was 2533 01:52:52.199 --> 01:52:53.520 initially published 2534 01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:56.760 in all the top liberal 2535 01:52:56.760 --> 01:52:58.880 newspapers of the world. 2536 01:52:58.880 --> 01:53:00.680 It's true, they've defended him, 2537 01:53:00.680 --> 01:53:01.640 but it should be 2538 01:53:01.640 --> 01:53:03.760 a huge campaign. 2539 01:53:04.119 --> 01:53:06.479 I often put myself, 2540 01:53:06.640 --> 01:53:08.760 (try to, impossible), 2541 01:53:08.760 --> 01:53:11.039 in the same position. 2542 01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:18.079 And I know that it'd be impossible to 2543 01:53:18.079 --> 01:53:22.319 keep going like this. He's kept going. 2544 01:53:23.279 --> 01:53:25.880 He's had some terrible downs, 2545 01:53:25.880 --> 01:53:30.800 but his courage in keeping on going 2546 01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:33.479 has been astonishing to see. 2547 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:38.800 He showed us that it's possible for a 2548 01:53:38.800 --> 01:53:40.920 person that's not part of 2549 01:53:40.920 --> 01:53:43.319 a power structure 2550 01:53:43.479 --> 01:53:47.039 to stand up for his principles. 2551 01:53:47.199 --> 01:53:49.399 For what he believes is right 2552 01:53:50.720 --> 01:53:54.319 and to be fearless. 2553 01:53:54.680 --> 01:53:56.600 It sends a chilling message that we are 2554 01:53:56.600 --> 01:54:01.439 going into possibly extremely dark times. 2555 01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:05.319 And we all see the signals all around us 2556 01:54:05.319 --> 01:54:09.800 about the growing fascism tendencies. 2557 01:54:10.119 --> 01:54:13.319 People often ask, "What can I do?" 2558 01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:15.880 The answer is not so difficult. 2559 01:54:16.439 --> 01:54:18.760 Learn how the world works. 2560 01:54:18.760 --> 01:54:21.760 Challenge the statements and intentions 2561 01:54:21.760 --> 01:54:23.640 of those who seek to control us 2562 01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:27.760 behind a facade of democracy and monarchy. 2563 01:54:28.439 --> 01:54:30.359 Unite in common purpose 2564 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:31.439 and common principle 2565 01:54:31.439 --> 01:54:35.880 to design, build, document, finance, and defend. 2566 01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:39.600 Learn. Challenge. Act. Now. 2567 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:42.359 WikiLeaks has performed this 2568 01:54:42.359 --> 01:54:44.720 extraordinary public service. 2569 01:54:45.279 --> 01:54:47.359 The constant threats and intimidation 2570 01:54:47.359 --> 01:54:49.319 that we have endured for years, 2571 01:54:49.319 --> 01:54:51.399 which has been terrorizing us 2572 01:54:51.399 --> 01:54:52.880 and has been terrorizing Julian 2573 01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:54.359 for over 10 years. 2574 01:54:56.520 --> 01:54:59.000 Julian and WikiLeaks have made 2575 01:54:59.000 --> 01:55:01.960 a massive contribution to democracy. 2576 01:55:03.279 --> 01:55:04.399 Threats against me. 2577 01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:07.319 Threats against our children. 2578 01:55:08.399 --> 01:55:10.800 Threats on Julian's life. 2579 01:55:10.800 --> 01:55:13.760 Threats of a 175-year prison sentence. 2580 01:55:14.479 --> 01:55:17.079 So how much do you need? 2581 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:18.760 How many violations against the 2582 01:55:18.760 --> 01:55:20.079 individual have to be exposed 2583 01:55:20.199 --> 01:55:21.960 until people would just say, you know, 2584 01:55:22.520 --> 01:55:23.520 for heaven's sake, 2585 01:55:23.520 --> 01:55:24.920 this is just absolutely absurd. 2586 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:28.239 And the actual ongoing imprisonment 2587 01:55:28.239 --> 01:55:29.840 of a journalist for doing his job. 2588 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:32.600 They are about to take every right 2589 01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:33.880 away from you. 2590 01:55:33.880 --> 01:55:35.359 You will not be able to fight 2591 01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:36.439 for any other cause. 2592 01:55:36.960 --> 01:55:39.000 We are talking about the fundamentals here. 2593 01:55:39.159 --> 01:55:41.920 [Applause sound] 2594 01:55:41.920 --> 01:55:44.720 [Dramatic, inspirational piano & orchestral music] 2595 01:55:44.720 --> 01:55:47.920 Our hands are the tools of our minds, 2596 01:55:47.920 --> 01:55:51.239 and the implements of our creativity. 2597 01:55:51.239 --> 01:55:52.920 They connect our spiritual lives 2598 01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:54.279 to the material world. 2599 01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:57.159 But hands are made of flesh and bone, 2600 01:55:57.880 --> 01:56:00.920 which are temporary. Beneath our skin, 2601 01:56:01.439 --> 01:56:03.079 the power of our hearts 2602 01:56:03.079 --> 01:56:05.560 connects us through millennia. 2603 01:56:06.760 --> 01:56:09.239 Our connections to each other 2604 01:56:09.239 --> 01:56:11.239 are the treads that weave 2605 01:56:11.239 --> 01:56:13.439 the path of our combined fate. 2606 01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:21.199 Humans descend in an unbroken line, 2607 01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:22.239 through generations, 2608 01:56:22.239 --> 01:56:23.680 through eons of time. 2609 01:56:24.600 --> 01:56:26.960 We are joined together in a single strand 2610 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:28.560 of a shared destiny. 2611 01:56:29.920 --> 01:56:33.039 The powerful would have us in chains of metal, 2612 01:56:33.319 --> 01:56:36.079 but chains of hearts that yearn for justice 2613 01:56:36.359 --> 01:56:38.600 are stronger than cold iron. 2614 01:56:43.000 --> 01:56:46.760 Messengers of truth deserve our ears and eyes, 2615 01:56:46.760 --> 01:56:48.880 and those who have the courage to speak 2616 01:56:48.880 --> 01:56:50.079 truth to power 2617 01:56:50.079 --> 01:56:51.960 are worthy of our support. 2618 01:56:52.119 --> 01:56:54.159 It's one thing to read, to watch, 2619 01:56:54.159 --> 01:56:55.439 to witness, to listen. 2620 01:56:55.720 --> 01:56:58.720 It's another thing to find our voices. 2621 01:56:59.039 --> 01:57:02.000 This is a radical action requiring 2622 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:05.319 a leap of faith and a passion and inspiration, 2623 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:07.439 so great that it enables 2624 01:57:07.439 --> 01:57:09.840 us to overcome our fears. 2625 01:57:10.000 --> 01:57:11.600 Do we have anything to say, 2626 01:57:11.720 --> 01:57:13.800 and the bravery to say it, 2627 01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:14.880 to step up 2628 01:57:14.880 --> 01:57:17.000 and stand on the empty chair? 2629 01:57:19.039 --> 01:57:21.680 They've stolen from this man the grace to 2630 01:57:21.680 --> 01:57:25.560 witness his children grow from babies to boys, 2631 01:57:26.079 --> 01:57:27.840 to witness the look of joy on the 2632 01:57:27.840 --> 01:57:28.920 face of his wife 2633 01:57:29.439 --> 01:57:31.279 in all the small moments. 2634 01:57:31.600 --> 01:57:33.520 Yet the most priceless thing these 2635 01:57:33.520 --> 01:57:35.560 robbers of rights have taken from him 2636 01:57:35.560 --> 01:57:41.000 is not air, light, space, voice, mind. 2637 01:57:41.920 --> 01:57:43.039 The most treasured thing 2638 01:57:43.039 --> 01:57:45.000 that can't be recovered 2639 01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:46.760 is time. 2640 01:57:46.760 --> 01:57:49.319 [Dramatic, inspirational piano & orchestral music] 2641 01:57:49.319 --> 01:57:51.760 How is it that one who is locked away, 2642 01:57:52.039 --> 01:57:54.760 disconnected and silenced, has become the 2643 01:57:54.760 --> 01:57:55.840 loudest voice for 2644 01:57:55.840 --> 01:57:57.399 free speech of our times? 2645 01:57:58.439 --> 01:58:01.560 Such is the significance of his achievements. 2646 01:58:02.119 --> 01:58:04.279 If his voice had no power, 2647 01:58:04.279 --> 01:58:06.319 they wouldn't try to silence it. 2648 01:58:07.039 --> 01:58:09.199 If what he exposed wasn't true, 2649 01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:11.199 they wouldn't try to hide it. 2650 01:58:11.199 --> 01:58:12.920 If minds couldn't learn, 2651 01:58:12.920 --> 01:58:14.720 they wouldn't try to stifle them. 2652 01:58:15.119 --> 01:58:17.119 If hearts couldn't unite, 2653 01:58:17.119 --> 01:58:18.880 they wouldn't try to divide them. 2654 01:58:22.720 --> 01:58:24.960 They hide behind desks, 2655 01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:27.840 camouflage behind platitudes and 2656 01:58:27.840 --> 01:58:30.199 cower behind a seat. 2657 01:58:30.199 --> 01:58:33.600 These saboteurs of truth, these vandals of justice, 2658 01:58:33.600 --> 01:58:35.479 these opponents of love. 2659 01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:38.800 That's why he constructed a library 2660 01:58:38.800 --> 01:58:42.359 that can't be burnt, demolished or erased. 2661 01:58:43.359 --> 01:58:47.720 All we need now, all he needs, 2662 01:58:47.720 --> 01:58:51.960 is for more of us to find our way there. 2663 01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:56.079 This is a watershed moment, 2664 01:58:56.079 --> 01:58:58.199 a pivotal point in history. 2665 01:58:58.199 --> 01:59:00.000 Those who persecute Julian 2666 01:59:00.000 --> 01:59:02.840 are committing espionage against humanity. 2667 01:59:03.199 --> 01:59:05.439 May future generations have the ability 2668 01:59:05.439 --> 01:59:07.600 to speak without restraint. 2669 01:59:08.000 --> 01:59:10.439 May future generations argue freely 2670 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:12.079 according to their conscience. 2671 01:59:12.520 --> 01:59:14.600 May future generations be able to 2672 01:59:14.600 --> 01:59:17.439 tell people what they may not want to hear 2673 01:59:17.439 --> 01:59:20.079 and to hold authorities to account. 2674 01:59:20.199 --> 01:59:22.439 May our children and their children 2675 01:59:22.439 --> 01:59:24.239 know truth and have access 2676 01:59:24.239 --> 01:59:26.960 to information that leads to justice. 2677 01:59:27.680 --> 01:59:29.319 Wherever Julian goes, 2678 01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:31.399 free speech goes with him. 2679 01:59:33.760 --> 01:59:35.479 If we put our minds together, 2680 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:38.439 our hearts together, our hands together. 2681 01:59:38.760 --> 01:59:42.279 If we drag our heads out from under the big black boot 2682 01:59:42.760 --> 01:59:44.680 and release our mouths out from 2683 01:59:44.680 --> 01:59:46.439 under the wretched gag cloth. 2684 01:59:48.079 --> 01:59:51.720 If we all rediscover that voice, that big voice 2685 01:59:51.720 --> 01:59:53.079 that once burst forth 2686 01:59:53.079 --> 01:59:56.039 out of the womb of the universe into the world, 2687 01:59:56.359 --> 01:59:59.399 took its first breath and cried out with the agony 2688 01:59:59.520 --> 02:00:02.640 and ecstatic rapture of burgeoning life. 2689 02:00:02.640 --> 02:00:04.680 If we unearth our divine voices 2690 02:00:04.680 --> 02:00:07.479 that struggled and evolved over the millennia 2691 02:00:07.479 --> 02:00:09.479 and fought for our freedoms. 2692 02:00:10.279 --> 02:00:12.279 If we remember that truth 2693 02:00:12.279 --> 02:00:13.760 was never meant 2694 02:00:13.760 --> 02:00:15.319 to be silenced. 2695 02:00:15.319 --> 02:00:18.399 [Silence] 2696 02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:20.319 Most just watch afraid to put even their 2697 02:00:20.319 --> 02:00:21.720 little toe out of line 2698 02:00:21.720 --> 02:00:23.399 in the march of compliance. 2699 02:00:23.560 --> 02:00:26.840 Most just watch as they set fire to the declarations, 2700 02:00:26.840 --> 02:00:28.920 as smoke and ashes rise from 2701 02:00:28.920 --> 02:00:30.600 the bonfire of our human rights. 2702 02:00:31.079 --> 02:00:33.640 Most just watch while the Mandela of our time 2703 02:00:33.640 --> 02:00:35.359 walks a long walk to freedom 2704 02:00:35.359 --> 02:00:38.479 every day around a six metre square cell. 2705 02:00:38.680 --> 02:00:41.439 Most just watch with their eyes firmly shut 2706 02:00:41.439 --> 02:00:43.920 as a brilliant mind, a diamond mind, 2707 02:00:43.920 --> 02:00:46.720 is placed under so much pressure 2708 02:00:46.720 --> 02:00:49.000 he might just crack. 2709 02:00:50.800 --> 02:00:54.560 And so things worsen from generation to generation 2710 02:00:54.560 --> 02:00:56.800 with centuries of watchers. 2711 02:00:57.880 --> 02:01:00.039 When young faces look up at us and say 2712 02:01:00.319 --> 02:01:01.880 "What did you do for Julian?" 2713 02:01:02.039 --> 02:01:03.359 Will we tell them 2714 02:01:03.359 --> 02:01:05.600 that we just watched. 2715 02:01:09.800 --> 02:01:12.880 [Elegant, melancholic, haunting piano & string music] 2716 02:01:14.199 --> 02:01:15.479 For thirteen years, 2717 02:01:15.479 --> 02:01:17.720 Assange endured progressively narrower, 2718 02:01:17.960 --> 02:01:19.279 darker, colder 2719 02:01:19.279 --> 02:01:21.520 and crueler spaces. 2720 02:01:21.880 --> 02:01:24.439 As his freedom became more confined, 2721 02:01:24.439 --> 02:01:26.560 so did our right to know. 2722 02:01:27.079 --> 02:01:29.000 As he was deprived of light, 2723 02:01:29.159 --> 02:01:31.720 so we were deprived of access 2724 02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:33.520 to truthful information. 2725 02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:36.560 As the dungeons of his captivity narrowed 2726 02:01:36.640 --> 02:01:38.960 the window of time for us to protect the 2727 02:01:38.960 --> 02:01:40.760 rights of future generations 2728 02:01:40.760 --> 02:01:42.840 became more slender 2729 02:01:43.079 --> 02:01:45.319 day by day. 2730 02:01:47.119 --> 02:01:50.119 20 feet high, one meter thick and one mile long, 2731 02:01:50.520 --> 02:01:52.399 prison walls of solid concrete 2732 02:01:52.399 --> 02:01:54.319 separate a man from freedom, 2733 02:01:54.760 --> 02:01:57.680 family, liberty, deliverance, 2734 02:01:57.680 --> 02:02:00.199 warmth, sun, air and space. 2735 02:02:01.600 --> 02:02:04.000 Yet, this wall is like dust 2736 02:02:04.000 --> 02:02:05.760 on the sleeve of humanity. 2737 02:02:06.520 --> 02:02:08.680 We can move it with one half breath 2738 02:02:08.720 --> 02:02:10.479 if enough voices combine. 2739 02:02:11.079 --> 02:02:12.319 Inhale, exhale, 2740 02:02:12.319 --> 02:02:14.039 look forwards and upwards 2741 02:02:14.039 --> 02:02:16.920 and remember our desire, our instinct 2742 02:02:16.920 --> 02:02:19.640 and our right to be free. 2743 02:02:22.520 --> 02:02:24.079 Only broken things leak. 2744 02:02:24.439 --> 02:02:25.760 When leaks fell from this 2745 02:02:25.760 --> 02:02:27.720 broken system, he channeled the 2746 02:02:27.720 --> 02:02:29.000 water downwards to 2747 02:02:29.000 --> 02:02:30.560 the serfs and slaves. 2748 02:02:31.199 --> 02:02:32.640 He channeled leaks through a 2749 02:02:32.640 --> 02:02:34.680 stream of innovation along a 2750 02:02:34.680 --> 02:02:35.640 river of diligence 2751 02:02:35.640 --> 02:02:37.279 to a lake of truth. 2752 02:02:38.159 --> 02:02:39.720 The water on this lake was so 2753 02:02:39.720 --> 02:02:40.960 clear and smooth, 2754 02:02:41.479 --> 02:02:42.760 it became a mirror. 2755 02:02:44.159 --> 02:02:46.039 The Empire don't like their 2756 02:02:46.039 --> 02:02:48.439 true nature being revealed. 2757 02:02:49.520 --> 02:02:51.680 They are trying to smash the mirror, 2758 02:02:52.039 --> 02:02:53.680 dry up the leaks 2759 02:02:53.680 --> 02:02:55.039 and plug the source. 2760 02:02:56.079 --> 02:02:58.239 But water cannot be destroyed. 2761 02:02:58.760 --> 02:03:00.159 Like water, 2762 02:03:01.119 --> 02:03:03.039 information will always flow. 2763 02:03:04.159 --> 02:03:06.359 Like water, there will always 2764 02:03:06.359 --> 02:03:07.439 be whistleblowers. 2765 02:03:08.800 --> 02:03:11.720 Like water, like love, 2766 02:03:11.920 --> 02:03:13.520 like courage, 2767 02:03:13.840 --> 02:03:18.359 justice is a natural element of humanity. 2768 02:03:20.920 --> 02:03:24.880 Humanity is tethered by a rope of greed 2769 02:03:24.880 --> 02:03:27.640 to a chain of criminality, 2770 02:03:27.640 --> 02:03:28.720 to an anchor 2771 02:03:28.720 --> 02:03:30.039 dragging on the 2772 02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:31.840 bottom of an ocean of lies. 2773 02:03:32.279 --> 02:03:34.279 But there are some with the 2774 02:03:34.279 --> 02:03:35.560 strength to cut the rope 2775 02:03:35.560 --> 02:03:36.720 to set us free. 2776 02:03:38.239 --> 02:03:40.880 If there is a sign on the right side of history, 2777 02:03:41.039 --> 02:03:43.319 it already has the words Julian Assange 2778 02:03:43.319 --> 02:03:44.319 engraved on it. 2779 02:03:45.319 --> 02:03:46.720 If there is a gong in the 2780 02:03:46.720 --> 02:03:48.680 theatre show that was his trial, 2781 02:03:48.680 --> 02:03:50.239 its metal has split 2782 02:03:50.239 --> 02:03:52.199 from being rung so loudly. 2783 02:03:53.920 --> 02:03:55.119 And if there is a bird that is 2784 02:03:55.119 --> 02:03:56.640 about to take flight, 2785 02:03:56.720 --> 02:03:58.239 stretch her wings 2786 02:03:58.239 --> 02:03:59.800 and rule the skies, 2787 02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:01.880 may it be a peace dove, 2788 02:04:01.880 --> 02:04:04.760 and no longer, a bald eagle. 2789 02:04:06.079 --> 02:04:07.560 If he had a river of leaks on 2790 02:04:07.560 --> 02:04:09.079 his computer screen revealing 2791 02:04:09.079 --> 02:04:10.920 their felonies and the choice 2792 02:04:10.920 --> 02:04:11.720 of whether to publish them, 2793 02:04:12.760 --> 02:04:15.199 if he knew that their empire is 2794 02:04:15.199 --> 02:04:17.399 run by dark three-letter orgs 2795 02:04:17.399 --> 02:04:19.279 and CEOs in camo gear. 2796 02:04:20.239 --> 02:04:22.439 If he knew that they would chase him 2797 02:04:22.439 --> 02:04:24.079 to the ends of the earth, 2798 02:04:25.079 --> 02:04:27.800 if he knew that they are rich, angry old men 2799 02:04:27.800 --> 02:04:29.760 capable of monstrous acrimony 2800 02:04:29.760 --> 02:04:31.039 and vengefulness, 2801 02:04:32.000 --> 02:04:34.640 if he knew that the hands of the many united 2802 02:04:34.880 --> 02:04:35.800 are strong enough 2803 02:04:35.800 --> 02:04:37.279 to move mountains, 2804 02:04:38.199 --> 02:04:40.159 if he knew that we have an ability 2805 02:04:40.159 --> 02:04:42.199 to realise that we've been deceived, 2806 02:04:42.680 --> 02:04:44.720 to finally and critically 2807 02:04:44.800 --> 02:04:47.600 and profoundly and devastatingly 2808 02:04:47.840 --> 02:04:49.640 open our eyes, 2809 02:04:50.159 --> 02:04:52.560 Then this is a trust fall 2810 02:04:52.880 --> 02:04:55.439 An incredibly brave trust fall. 2811 02:04:58.279 --> 02:04:58.960 And we 2812 02:04:59.199 --> 02:05:00.159 are the ones 2813 02:05:00.520 --> 02:05:01.640 who were meant 2814 02:05:02.000 --> 02:05:03.119 to be doing 2815 02:05:04.439 --> 02:05:06.039 the catching. 2816 02:05:06.479 --> 02:05:09.279 [Strong, emotive orchestral music] 2817 02:05:15.239 --> 02:05:18.640 [Rhythmic, folky acoustic guitar finger style riff] 2818 02:05:24.239 --> 02:05:25.920 No one gave enough 2819 02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:27.479 cause we're hiding 2820 02:05:27.800 --> 02:05:29.520 It's exactly how they 2821 02:05:29.520 --> 02:05:31.399 want us, we're fighting 2822 02:05:31.800 --> 02:05:35.680 And no one's asking why 2823 02:05:39.880 --> 02:05:41.079 We're leaving only 2824 02:05:41.079 --> 02:05:43.079 breaths of our guidance 2825 02:05:43.800 --> 02:05:45.000 Youth has no chance 2826 02:05:45.000 --> 02:05:47.000 breaking this silence 2827 02:05:47.800 --> 02:05:50.319 That we're forced under. 2828 02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:58.520 If we keep pushing 2829 02:05:58.800 --> 02:06:01.199 I know we'll break them 2830 02:06:01.800 --> 02:06:05.000 So keep on pushing 2831 02:06:05.800 --> 02:06:09.239 We'll leave no options 2832 02:06:09.800 --> 02:06:14.159 If we keep pushing 2833 02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:17.680 We'll finally break them 2834 02:06:26.399 --> 02:06:27.680 We're dancing on the 2835 02:06:27.680 --> 02:06:29.920 edge of our freedom 2836 02:06:29.920 --> 02:06:31.399 And questions only 2837 02:06:31.399 --> 02:06:33.199 lead us to feeling 2838 02:06:33.800 --> 02:06:36.479 That we ain't got control 2839 02:06:36.800 --> 02:06:39.159 The last time I 2840 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:40.920 checked you ain't either 2841 02:06:40.920 --> 02:06:42.840 I'm trying to keep 2842 02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:45.399 the pace when I need it 2843 02:06:45.399 --> 02:06:48.520 Oh, but I'm losing somehow 2844 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:58.600 If we keep pushing 2845 02:06:58.800 --> 02:07:01.319 I know we'll break them 2846 02:07:01.800 --> 02:07:05.119 So keep on pushing 2847 02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:09.319 We'll leave no options 2848 02:07:09.800 --> 02:07:13.279 If we keep pushing 2849 02:07:13.800 --> 02:07:21.520 We'll finally break them 2850 02:07:23.800 --> 02:07:32.800 When it's all building up 2851 02:07:32.800 --> 02:07:36.199 We don't want it to stop 2852 02:07:36.199 --> 02:07:40.680 Cause the fight's not enough 2853 02:07:40.800 --> 02:07:48.119 Well we ain't giving up 2854 02:07:48.119 --> 02:07:50.760 Just 'cause they want to stop 2855 02:07:50.760 --> 02:07:54.399 And I'm not giving up. And I hope that 2856 02:07:54.399 --> 02:07:57.680 it's not what they all want 2857 02:08:00.800 --> 02:08:04.600 Cause if we 2858 02:08:04.800 --> 02:08:07.079 Keep on pushing 2859 02:08:08.800 --> 02:08:10.960 I know we'll break them 2860 02:08:12.880 --> 02:08:15.399 So keep on pushing 2861 02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:18.680 We'll leave no options 2862 02:08:19.800 --> 02:08:22.600 If we keep pushing 2863 02:08:22.800 --> 02:08:30.800 We'll finally break them 210431

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