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At its face value,

a paypig is basically just a financial sub or a finsub.

Someone who considers himself a paypig or a finsub is

somebody who wants to give money to a dominance

just for the sake of giving them money.

What we find erotically exciting

develops from a combination of genetic and environmental factors.

When we're talking about financial domination,

some of the language that's very frequently used in pop culture

to describe a sub is a paypig.

Early on in life I recognized that kind of power

I could have over boys.

When you're playing at school, me and the girls, me playing,

and then the boys come along

and just want to destroy everything for no reason,

except to destroy that thing and then you learn,

the best way you can retaliate is to kick them in the balls, right?

So now, all of a sudden, you have this power over these boys.

But interestingly enough, they like it.

For me, I don't show my face because

I have the option to and the option not to.

And a lot of these things just come down to safety, you know?

The online world is not the safest place.

It's humiliating and degrading,

and that sort of language is exactly what is arousing

and exciting to someone who's in that submissive role.

A lifestyle dom is somebody that just has submissives

in their daily life serving them

in whatever capacity they choose.

So for example, if I need someone to come and clean my house,

I'll have them come clean my house.

If I want them to chauffeur me around the city,

I will let them chauffeur me around the city.

Anything that I want, I get.

A professional dominatrix

it's somebody who creates a curated experience for the submissive.

So the submissive will go to a professional dominatrix and say,

"these are my kinks, these are my fetishes.

"This is the experience I would like to have."

A financial dominatrix, on the other hand,

is somebody who only peddles in the world of financial domination.

The submissive wants to give up money and control

to the financial dom

for the purpose of either sexual gratification

or just for the experience of giving up control.

So when people are participating in a dom sub-dynamic,

they have come to terms on what those agreements

are going to be pertaining to limits,

what their play is going to look like,

what it's going to consist of.

And if the boundaries of those limits are breached,

it is incumbent on both parties to, you know,

share in calling it and renegotiating the limits

and the terms of their play.

Financial domination can be very successful.

If you are a top financial dominatrix,

you can expect to be making at least six figures.

That's the base minimum.

But anywhere from half a million to a million, I would say,

is when you're getting to the top.

The reason why we decided to put this to the test

and do an experiment is because these findoms,

people think it may be easy. I don't know.

Maybe it is easy, or maybe it's hard. I don't know.

So I wanted to see if we could take two girls,

put them into an Airbnb,

see how easy or hard it could be,

and how much money you can make in a 24-hour span.

So it's about three years that I host a podcast every week

with my best friend.

♪ Chemical X ♪

And it's kind of comedy.

We talk about our dating life and just pretty much anything

that happens in our lives.

And he goes, "take advantage of me, I want you.

"Here's my password to my PayPal.

You go into the account, send yourself the money."

He's really like this guy who wants to be taken advantage of.

After that clip went viral on TikTok,

I was getting like overflowed with messages

of people like coming and asking to be my paypig.

So financial domination is a niche

that really popped up on TikTok.

Every paypig that could be, started coming in our DMs.

And that's kind of when it started to explode because

we were being shown to a wider audience.

A video goes viral typically because of engagement.

The social media platforms show it

to the initial group of people

that are most likely to engage with your content.

And then based on that information,

it keeps sharing it with bigger buckets of people.

Then we would get some people that are really interested in

Alessia and I, like together.

Like the Chemical X duo.

Sometimes when you're doing it together, it's like,

you know what I mean? It's like, babe, we got this.

If you don't say it, I won't.

When I wanted to do this,

I really needed to find these girls that are talented,

that wanted to explore this avenue.

Because it's not easy, you know.

It's not easy to have somebody who want to explore an avenue

that deals with them extracting money from guys

and putting themselves out there.

So I needed to find somebody that would be first comfortable to do it.

So what I thought of is, I'd go online and I'd do some research.

It's crazy, because the first thing I typed was "paypig podcast."

And when I typed in paypig podcast,

the first thing that showed up on YouTube was these two girls.

So I figured I'd reach out,

and I'd ask them if they want to take part.

Wow.

Is this a bedroom?

So the Airbnb was in a really nice place.

It was a super nice Airbnb, and that kind of made me more comfortable.

Just kind of like, "this is going to be our home for the next 24 hours."

That is huge.

Oh, it literally goes all around.

An Airbnb with my three friends,

and we're going to try and make some money.

Like, I'm always in for an experiment,

see how much money we could make,

and kind of show the world that this is going on,

and this is how much money we made.

Wow, bedroom.

I've been best friends with Veronica and Alessia

pretty much my whole life.

I've had an idea of what a paypig was,

because prior to filming,

they've been getting DMs from paypigs.

So I was trying to figure out

how I would fit into this whole concept,

and I was like, okay, let me bring the fashion,

let me bring outfits.

So I pulled up the rolling rack,

I brought all the latex, the leather pieces,

and for me it was just another day of

getting dressed to take Instagram pictures.

That's what it felt like.

So did you see that our video is almost at a million?

It's insane.

Yeah, we're going to hit a million.

So I was reading the comments.

There's so many people that have paypigs that I didn't realize.

- Crazy. - It's so crazy,

and people are saying like. you know, it's a lot harder

than people make it out to be.

A guy paid me once just to video chat

and wanted me to call him names.

That's what I've been seeing.

So many comments, people saying Twitter, Twitter, Twitter.

- Yeah. - We need to make a Twitter.

Obviously going into this, Alessia and I both were amateurs,

and we had to kind of do a little bit of research to find out

what's the best way to find paypigs.

Or find people that like findom,

like where do you find these people?

Okay, so we make a Twitter account

and are we doing the whole like scene of a brunette and a blonde?

- Like it's a duo or... - I think a duo.

So when we were looking online

a lot of people who are doing this

were saying that Twitter is the best route.

So, you know when we got there right away was like,

okay we need to start a Twitter account

and we need some content for this Twitter account.

Okay, so I'm looking at names and here I see BostonPaypig,

Paypiggy666.

I don't want to do, I don't want to do--

No numbers, for sure.

SistersWhoDrain, I don't mind that.

- You like it? - Yeah.

- It's available. - Sisters who drain.

- There's no-- - And we don't have to do

underscore, no numbers.

Let's just work with it.

Okay, we're in our account.

What do we make our bio, sisters who drain?

We need some pics to post,

we don't have to show face but

- we should do something. - We need to get creative.

Yeah

When I joined the online world, it really opened up

a lot more opportunities for different subs in different cities.

And so a lot of my subs live in different places.

I have some in New York, some in Miami,

some in Europe, some in LA.

All these places where there are submissives

that want to serve a lifestyle dom.

I think we should do like a shoot,

like take some pictures for the account.

- How many? - Yeah, no face.

Like get ready, with some of our like sick outfits.

And we're going to use Mirco as a paypig in one.

We'll do maybe like one video

where we're like spanking him or something.

Just like a bunch of content.

- Like naughty content. - Yeah.

Is it going to be hard not to get our face?

- No. - Are people going to recognize us?

I'm kind of scared.

I think it's fine.

These women were correct in making a Twitter.

That is, in my opinion, the best starting point.

However, you also need to have a lot of requisite education

in terms of what to expect.

Okay, let's do it.

But we need to get ready.

Yeah.

Do we have kind of a vibe, a mood board of what we want?

Like main picture, it's going to be me and you,

- I guess, in the bubble. - Yeah.

Okay, we'll figure it out.

We'll figure it out.

I feel like a $2 hooker.

You look like a 2 cent whore.

You look like you make a lot of noise.

I think we should shoot on this wall

and maybe put the ring light here.

- Yeah. - Are we like--

Are you getting like the real blonde around here?

Stop talking, go.

Do like a zoom in of like our boobs

- and something a little closer. - Okay, go back to back for now.

Let's try something.

Back to back, lean forward. I want you guys to really bend over.

This is good, this is perfect.

Squeeze her boob.

- Squeeze her boob. - I'm sorry

This one.

Okay guys, we got it.

You guys know what you're gonna say?

- It's... Listen-- - Just roll an improv.

We might have to redo it a couple times.

Okay, I'm starting with you, I'm gonna go to you.

- Okay. - If you want to throw in a kick,

- I'll come back to you at the end. - Okay.

Listen up, you stupid pathetic-- Why are you laughing?

Listen up. I don't know, it just made me laugh.

Listen up...

Listen up, stupid pathetic piggies,

you can never be like-- Fuck!

Paypigs, paypigs!

All your money belongs to us,

because you don't even deserve to have it.

So pay up right now

Jeez.

Oh my god.

Listen up, you little stupid pathetic piggy.

We're gonna drain your bank account.

All your money belongs to us,

because you don't even deserve to have it.

So pay up, right now!

Oh my God. It's the whip at the end, like damn.

Well now we have to do as if we already have a piggy with us.

So you're going to be the piggy

- and we're going to degrade you. - What do you want me to do?

- Like you go on your knees. - We're going to like,

- fuck you. - We want to say like, this is our piggy,

- like you should-- - We want to show the other piggies

what it would be like if they have us.

- Do you want to kick him? - Yeah.

But I'll go from this side.

If someone-- If you kick me, I swear,

I will throw you off the balcony.

Put your head down.

Don't move.

Oh my god, this is so hard.

I said put your head down!

I don't hear you oinking!

- You ready? - When do I say "Yes, goddess"?

When I say "get on your knees."

Yes, goddess.

- Like that. - Do I have to whisper?

- Yeah, whisper. - Yeah.

Get on your knees!

Yes, goddess.

Give us your money. Show us your credit card.

Now!

Yes, goddess.

Hands behind your back.

What's your pin?

I said what's your pin?

Uh, three...

What's your pin?

Three, two, three, three.

I think I really got in character for that one.

Well, I don't know.

Get on your knees.

Yes, goddess.

Give us your money. Show us your credit card.

Now!

You went right after I slapped you.

Hands behind your back.

You took that fucking quick.

- That credit card... - I said, what's your pin?

Three...

- That's perfect. - I think we're done with my skits.

No, yeah, we're done.

- You did good. - You did good.

- My face, my tattoos... - We're gonna get all the piggies.

Okay, we need to put all this on Twitter.

Yeah.

I think the women made a pretty good choice

in terms of creating content that legitimizes them

outside of financial domination.

So the one thing about financial domination is basically

anybody with a cell phone can get into it.

You just join Twitter, you use the words,

"I'm looking for a paypig," whatever it may be.

So how do you define yourself

outside of all these people that have phones

and want to get into financial domination?

One thing you can do is you can legitimize yourself

with other forms of domination.

So you can do things like they did.

They wore fetish wear and they started doing fetish practices.

So in some ways it shows that you're not just a woman

sitting on your phone just getting into this.

Mirco, send me the pics.

Blonde and brunette sisters to drain you dry.

Okay, now let's post a pic.

Who wants to get drained?

Who wants to get drained?

And then put all the hashtags.

Okay, so tweet?

Yeah, post.

Social media now is not only based on what people like,

but they're also feeding content to you

based on what they want you to watch,

and what they think you're most likely to engage in.

We just had to set it up and then start looking for people.

We've made some posts just using the right hashtags

that we've seen other people using.

So really what we were trying to do was just copy

what other people were doing

and trying to see how that was going to work.

To be Findom is absolutely a legitimate form of work.

People can make an honest living about it.

And the reality is they might bump up against a lot of scrutiny

and stigma from people around them.

So some Findoms choose to engage in this line of work

with a level of privacy or secrecy,

and others choose to make this a social cause,

and they will champion what they do

and they'll talk about it and use it as an educational opportunity.

I got into this world in a very unconventional way.

I was on a dating site

and I had a man approach me and he asked me

something very unusual

that nobody else has ever asked me before.

He said to me,

"I'm a submissive male and I'm interested in serving a woman.

"I like to clean apartments and condos and homes.

"I like to chauffeur people around.

"And if you are interested, I would like to pay you for this.

"I will give you $500 a month to come clean your apartment,

"to bring you your groceries, to do your dry cleaning,

"anything you want, I want to pay you to be your servant."

To which I said...

Of course.

So it began as he proposed.

He would come over to my place every week,

he would scrub my floors, he would do my dishes,

he would deep clean everything.

He was a brilliant cleaner, which was amazing,

and at the beginning of every month he'd give me $500.

He was also responsible for other things

like getting my groceries, picking up my dry cleaning,

all these other expenses that I had in my life

were for him to cover.

From these initial interactions we grew a lot of rapport

and I started putting him in charge of more things,

and they started pushing the boundaries further.

So for example,

I would have him take me and my friends on trips.

I would have him do some of my work for me

so that I didn't have to do it.

So I started incorporating him into all these other elements of my life.

One thing that I did is I decided that

his luxury car that he drove,

should no longer belong to him but it should belong to me.

So, he handed over his keys and I took his car

and then going forward

he had to start taking the bus to work

while I had his car to do anything that I wanted.

If the guy is willing to give up his luxury car

to the Findom and take the city bus to work,

he's just being nice and getting off on his kink,

or by her asking him for the car,

is that taking advantage?

What we see is this very unconscious

expectation that women are responsible

for the success or the downfall of men.

And that's a part of why this kink is so arousing to men.

Girls who send pictures for money like,

okay, that's like you're providing something.

They're getting a picture, they're jacking off.

But in this situation, it's like,

it felt weird because it was like, I'm not giving you anything,

I'm not sending you anything, and I'm getting money.

This is kind of easy.

- Guys! - What?

Come here. I think we're gonna get a video call, actually.

- Like now? - He just said two minutes.

- Wait, what? - Yeah.

Me, me and you, or just you?

No, both of us.

He told me a thousand, and then I said--

- But we're two. - I sent a picture of you,

and I said two thousand, and he said okay.

- Okay. - I'm just waiting

for him to send the money,

but he said sending now, so I should be getting it any second.

Okay, we got him. Oh my god, I can't believe we just got it.

Due to the traction that we got with our TikTok videos,

it was clearly something that people were interested in.

It was clearly something that people wanted to learn more about.

Being in the entertainment industry and loving to entertain people,

it was kind of cool to be a part of something that we could explore,

you know, what this is, and how far does it go?

Wait, where is he based out of?

- I don't know. - Okay. Chicago.

Um, what are we-- Are we just bullying?

I don't know if I could do this with such a shit face.

- Are you guys-- - And also, like, Mirco,

get out of the way.

And you laugh in the back.

Don't mock and laugh.

- You can't laugh. - I'm not.

I'm here to hype you guys up.

So, a lot of rookie mistakes include

giving too much access too soon,

without appropriately understanding

if a sub is going to honor the boundaries

and pay tribute in the way that you want them to.

So that might look like too early on in the dynamic

opening up a FaceTime or a live chat.

What's up, stupid pig?

You're a fucking loser.

I told you to get on your knees.

Why are you not on your knees?

Show us.

Oink.

I want to hear a real oink like a real pig.

There we go.

I didn't say you can stop.

You stop when we tell you when to stop.

Well, I still don't really understand this whole oinking thing,

but listen, whatever they want, supply to demand.

If I have to tell them to oink, I will.

You're so pathetic.

You're a pathetic loser.

Do you know that we're gonna take all your money?

The hardest part about all this is figuring out what to say.

Because it's not something that I do

or that is even in my character to talk to people that way,

I feel like it comes so unnaturally that I'm always kind of like

searching for the next thing to say or like what do they want to hear,

because I don't really know what they want to hear.

I'm just assuming.

- Viral. - We got a message.

- Like right now? - Yeah.

What does it say?

I think he wants to see your feet.

- No. - Wait, a paypig?

Yeah.

Per seeing your feet while you guys laugh at me.

OK, well, first of all...

- He wants a video call. - He wants a video call

and he wants us to laugh at him

and we show our feet.

So like do I do boots, you do feet?

But like feet is more expensive.

Wait, wait, wait. How much are we telling him?

How much is paypigs?

We'll see. Listen, if my raw dogs are coming out,

we're riding on that, right?

Absolutely. And you have nice feet so.

OK, I'm saying $1,000, let's see what he says.

"Yes, goddess. Yes." OK, we got it.

OK, I need to go get boots.

Green light.

Do these work?

You have to laugh, babe. Don't forget.

Ha, ha, ha.

Is it allowed?

You're so pathetic. Are you liking this?

Louder.

What do you want to see?

Bare feet? But that's extra for bare feet.

You don't deserve that.

Socks? You're into socks? That's so weird.

You're such a pathetic pig.

You want to see my dirty socks from yesterday?

I don't hear you oinking.

You like these socks?

You what? I can't hear you.

You love our socks? That's really weird that you love socks.

Why do you like the socks?

- What? - You're so pathetic.

Do you want to see her real foot?

You're gonna have to send more money for that.

Are you gonna send money?

We're waiting.

During the actual call,

Alessia actually only put one boot on

because she couldn't find her other boot,

but it turned out perfectly

because apparently this guy was into like socks.

So she just whipped out that other foot real quick

and was like, "well, it's right here."

He hung up.

Oh God.

You guys made him come.

I got one boot on, one sock on.

This is gonna be so easy for me.

And then, yeah, that's when he kind of wanted

to see the underneath of my socks.

And honestly, I don't even think they were dirty enough for him.

I think we would've made more money if they were dirtier.

Okay, so he wants the underneath of my shoe.

- He wants a video? - Should I do boots?

I'm not asking him if he wants boots or heels.

- No. - I'm not.

Do your Louboutins.

And how much is he sending you for this?

He wants a picture for starters.

He said $250 for a pic underneath my shoe.

We're going to get it directly under.

Mirco, how much would you pay for this?

I pay to go get them cleaned.

Can you go somewhere else?

- Can you like lie down on the island? - Like where?

Like where?

Like lie down on the island here.

Like on my stomach or on my back?

Like on your stomach. Like kick your feet up.

You know what I mean?

That's perfect.

Right?

- Yeah. That's fine. - They look dirty.

Let's do something different. Let's switch it up.

What's another word that--

So should I do something like this?

It's just because your whole body is going to be in it.

Ouch.

What the fuck, you just kicked me?

Look, perfect.

End it there. Amazing.

Just don't get the ending.

Connections between humans has changed so much.

You can create almost this entire virtual human experience

of connectivity through a mobile device.

And what that's done is it's given people the ability

to have full on feelings of entire relationships

without ever having to actually meet people.

So the guy wrote back to me, "I'm such a pathetic loser.

"Can I show you how small my little dick is?

Please, goddess Veronica."

- He has a micro penis. - Yeah.

And he already sent me money.

200.

Okay.

- You think we'll get more? - Yeah. For sure.

I said, "do you like to be humiliated on FaceTime?"

- And he said, "yes, I do." - Let's do it.

In the beginning, I wasn't sure if it was real or not.

Like why would people be willing to just give you money

for doing nothing?

And then I quickly realized that there is some kind of exchange

going on and they are getting something out of it.

Their DMs are open.

So anybody can message them.

And now all of a sudden they are getting dick pics.

Are you guys ready to laugh?

Let's see.

Okay, so he had wrote,

"I just saw your podcast on Paypigs

"and I'm a fat disgusting loser piggy and I want to pay you."

If I see your dick, I want an extra $150 sent to me right now.

"Yes, goddess."

Guys, he just sent his dick.

You're getting pictures of disgusting small tiny micro penises.

If you don't know what you're doing,

your response to getting a micro penis is going to be like,

ew, that is so gross. That is disgusting.

How could you send me that?

And know what you just did?

You just humiliated someone for free.

He compared it to a battery.

No.

No. Okay, disgusting!

Maybe it's smaller than the battery.

Wait.

Mirco, is that the size of your dick?

I think he has one ball.

I didn't even know this existed.

I mean, look, you're growing up with a tiny penis.

You have to, in some way, grow up fucked up from that.

I didn't even know it existed.

What did you initially ask for?

Let's do the calculation here.

900.

You think he's gonna send it?

I mean, if we can get 900 that's amazing.

"Goddess, I'm a college student I can't afford to give you $900."

What that submissive wants from you is a reaction.

They want you to comment on their micro penis for free

because they have a small penis humiliation fetish or a kink.

I don't care if you take out a fucking loan

I want my money tonight!

If you can't send it I'm blocking you

and you're never gonna hear from your goddess again.

Do I make myself clear?

I'm so mean.

Guys, I'm so mean.

No, for him to send the rest of the 450.

If you don't understand the broader world of domination,

then you better believe your DMs are gonna be full of dick pics

and you're gonna be responding to them,

laughing at them telling them to go away.

That's the scariest thing

I ever saw in my life.

You're giving them the attention that they want.

This is the thing with these guys...

- It doesn't stop. - Also they want

constant attention, it's like worse than having a boyfriend.

I don't know if you're dumb, but it's ten times

we tell you we're here.

Let's go, send the fucking money!

I don't know if you're dumb, but it's ten times

we tell you we're here,

Let's go, send the fucking money!

- I'm not mean enough. - Not mean enough.

That was just so bratty like a baby.

He's typing.

Hurry up and send the money!

- You're screaming too much. - So what do you want?

Like why are you giving him so much energy?

Do I have a choice?

- I feel very mean. - Yeah, you wanna try?

- No, I'm trying to just-- - Do you want to try it?

I'm sure you can do Alessia's voice.

Yeah, come on try.

- Try to do it. - Let's see.

- But your voice is like-- - Imitate it.

Okay. Let me set... Ready?

- It's here. - Send the money!

You just sound like a brat, I would never send you money.

I've never done something like this,

so it was kind of fun just to get them in character

and to see how we could produce content for them.

This guy said, "my PayPal suspended, you take gift cards?"

What am I, Zara?

A big misconception about financial domination is that it's easy.

The people who do really well

are the ones who have defined their brands.

It is a lot of work. At this point in my life,

oh, I would say I can't be working on this more than

10 to 20 hours per week.

I haven't made less than $10,000 US dollars

per week in about six months. Yeah.

- Alessia? - Yeah.

So I've been working my magic on your phone,

convinced this pig

to hack into his PayPal.

- Oh my God. - Yeah, look.

Okay wait, is this illegal though?

I don't know, no, there's consent.

Wait, he wants us to do what?

Well look at the messages. Hold his money.

Oh my God, guys, he just sent us his email and his password.

Do we do it?

Okay wait, what are we supposed to do?

Send money to ourselves from his PayPal?

You go in first, yeah, go into his PayPal.

Go on PayPal, I guess.

Okay but are we allowed to be doing this?

He's literally screenshotted in case the cops,

so there's consent.

- The cops... - But he wants us to do what?

basically he wants us to log into his PayPal

and take his money,

but like he could have no money, like we don't know.

Let's go see.

- And send to ourselves? - Yeah, so put his email in.

I know we've done a lot but this, like, I'm nervous.

For me to have complete access to your bank information

and to be able to withdraw it myself

I'm like this makes my job even easier

the second I get your login and your password, I'm in,

I can send myself whatever money you have,

so I think for us it's just more like

are we even allowed doing this?

- Okay well, how much do I-- - I don't know what do you think?

I have to now just like request to send it to myself essentially.

Yeah, basically. You're gonna try a number in your currency

and you're gonna try sending it to your email.

Okay, so what do I put?

I think let's just start with a high number, I'm scared,

I'm not gonna lie, but like let's try.

- I mean, whatever. - Okay, two?

It's part of the experiment.

- Two hundred? - Two thousand.

Two thousand.

Okay, doing it hot.

Now you're worst, Veronica.

There was one paypig who asked us to sign into his PayPal

and send us money from within his actual PayPal.

It just felt so weird and it felt like such an invasion of privacy,

and in the back of my mind I'm telling myself

like, okay, but this is what he wants,

he's asking us to do this,

but at the same time you have like your automatic instinct

to feel like this is so wrong, I shouldn't be doing this.

Are we gonna know right away when I click?

Yeah, yeah.

I don't believe you.

- Stop. - No.

No.

- Okay wait. - Okay wait.

- Now I'm even greedier. - Take some--

Two thousand is not enough.

Hurry, before he gets us out

'cause he gets a notification that he just sent.

- How much do I-- - He just said

"Oh my god, goddess, I can't believe you took two thousand,

why would you take two thousand for?"

Let's try and take more, go.

Hurry before he changes his mind.

Okay, how much?

Another two.

- Is that gonna work? - I don't know.

I'm clicking send, let's see.

No, I'm not doing this, honey.

- Two thousand's not working. - It didn't work.

- What do I try, a thousand? - Try a thousand.

Fuck.

Are we like really mean to start trying like 600-500?

What do we do?

- I mean, let's try 500... - What do we do? I'm stressed.

We'll try 500 and then that's it. I feel like 500 will work.

He's saying "goddess I have no more, I have no more money,

stop trying to take more money."

So does the Dom in this case,

the Fin Dom hold a responsibility?

I would say they do for themselves

and for the paypig or for the submissive.

But also I do think that if somebody's being a responsible Dom,

they are going to look at those limits that were pre-negotiated.

And if somebody can't meet the limits that they agreed on,

I imagine that they would pull the plug on that.

We got it, we got it.

- We're acting like it's-- - We got it, another 500.

Okay, he just said, "thank you, goddess,

I didn't know you would drain me like that."

Outside of somebody wanting to be completely

financially obliterated, and that does happen,

that's part of the agreement that they make ahead of time.

So it's not really a surprise.

I'm ordering food now and you're paying for it.

Do I make myself clear?

Okay, he just wrote,

he just wrote, "yes, goddess, yes."

Okay, so sushi's $300.

There's a lot of different parts of financial domination.

Some of it can just be like draining their bank accounts,

just having them send you money.

But in other parts, it's just having

the daily parts of your life paid for.

So I just bought a coffee, I want that reimbursed.

I'm going out for dinner with my friends,

you're gonna pay for it.

Okay, he wants me to send him like a voice note

of me asking him to pay for dinner.

Here we go.

Should we do it together? Does he know you're with me?

Should you say that you're with your friend?

Yeah.

Okay, let's do it together.

How do you feel about this?

I feel like I'm degrading someone, and what is life?

Listen up, you stupid fucking pathetic pig.

We're hungry, and we wanna eat right fucking now.

I don't care if you don't eat for the rest of the week.

I don't care if you eat raw noodles.

I don't give a shit if you drink out of a toilet bowl,

make sure to send me the $300 now because I'm starving.

I don't know who you think we are,

but obviously we're classy bitches and we like sushi

and it's $300.

So you better send it now because you're a loser

and it doesn't matter if you're eating air for the next week.

Feed us.

Okay, guys, he just asked if we're with our boyfriends.

Okay.

Okay, wait, I've heard about this.

So like some paypigs like

when they're paying for you and your boyfriend.

Yeah, like they want to feel so belittled.

Yeah, like they're paying for you and your boyfriend to eat

because they can never be an alpha male.

One of the best parts about being a financial dominatrix

or a lifestyle dominatrix in general,

is being able to redistribute your gains

to people who are around you.

If I have a date with a man

you better believe the sub is gonna cover it.

There's nothing more humiliating

than another man paying for the meal

that another man would would be paying for.

When you make a sub

pay for another man,

it is incredibly humiliating and degrading,

because it positions him in a much lower place

than the man that I'm on a date with.

Guys, food's here.

I'm literally starving.

- Do you want to get it? - Yeah.

You get it? Thank you.

I'm starved.

Because the psychology of it is such that

I only date real men,

and real men are the kind of men that go on dates with me.

Men who are not real men, beta males, submissive males,

must assume their position beneath both of us.

Food is here.

OK, guys, we are not finishing all this.

- What did you order? - Oh my God.

I just ordered everything. I ordered like 100 things.

This looks amazing.

OK, let's do it.

Wait, you're going to take it?

I'm going to take it of you guys.

Take it of us?

You're never going to be able to eat this.

It's only for us.

And guess what?

You're paying for it.

I think that was pretty good.

Oh, that was actually perfect.

Wow, that's good.

We often expect men in our patriarchal society

to be completely strong all the time

and never show weakness.

That's part of the arousal for men to play a submissive role,

especially around money.

Money is one of the ways where men are conditioned to show

their strength and their potency in the world.

And so the idea of being dominated in that sphere,

in the sphere of finances,

it is a kind of release that they can't get anywhere else.

"Can you videocall, goddess, please? Drain my wallet live.

I want to be your sissy."

What? Like Sissy's like he wants us to talk,

like he wants to be a girl dressed up?

He wants to feminize him.

So like tell him to wear a skirt, tell him to wear fishnets,

tell him to wear a thong.

- No. - Yeah.

Like he wants to dress up like a thong.

Yeah, he wants to feel like a girl.

Tell him to...

Does he have a thong? Can you give me the phone?

What are you gonna say?

I said, "do you have a thong for the FaceTime?"

But what are we...

"Yes, I have a pink thong, my goddess."

I don't even think mine today is pink.

I'm gonna see...

Do you have fishnets, you fucking pig?

"I don't have fishnets."

Fucking loser.

What kind of sissy is that?

I'm writing that, what kind...

He loves it, trust me.

"I don't have fishnets but I have butt plug, is that okay?"

- I don't wanna see his ass. - Okay.

These aren't my eyes, we're talking about you.

- No, no, no. - Yeah, I can't unsee this.

For a good amount of money, we're gonna see the butt plug

and we're gonna make him suck on it.

It's no surprise he wants to be plugged.

That's a very common thing in BDSM, but for them,

surprise, they had no idea

anal play was gonna be any part of this.

- He has it ready, guys. - He has the butt plug ready.

They want to give money, they also want to incorporate other elements,

BDSM, other things that make them feel very submissive.

That robe isn't even pink.

That robe isn't pink.

That's red.

- No, red. - It's red.

You lied to me.

Show me your thumb.

Is that the right color also?

You're so pathetic.

Disgusting.

Show me the butt plug.

Nasty. I want you to spit on it and put it in your asshole.

Disgusting.

Nasty.

And in fact, a lot of them can't give you money,

can't get themselves into that head space

unless they are feeling submissive.

And there are certain things that make certain subs

feel more submissive, such as plugging yourself.

Ew.

- Ew. - No, no.

Call it a vagina, I muted him.

- No. - Show me.

Okay, it's honestly disgusting.

I can't see this.

Show me your vagina, you disgusting, stupid pig.

No.

No.

Guys, I can't. I can't do this.

Mute him, mute him, mute him.

What do I do? What do I do? What do I do?

I don't know. Look at him.

I'm literally disgusted.

- I can't look. - We need money.

We need money.

He sent it already.

I don't want to see your disgusting asshole.

Show me your vagina tucked in now.

I'll tell you who comes on my podcast.

I never said you could come on my podcast.

Do I make myself clear?

Nobody wants to see you on our podcast.

- What do you want to say? - We don't want a liar on our podcast,

you stupid, disgusting, worthless, broke pig.

Fucking worst sissy I've ever seen in my life.

- Pathetic. - Tell her she's a colorblind sissy.

You're a colorblind sissy.

Loser.

- That was traumatizing. - Guys, that was so traumatizing, I...

- You were in the background. - Yes, yes.

You were you were ready for this.

I think this is... You needed the wig.

You needed the wig.

I'm not okay after this one.

I'm actually like not well.

It's just a hairy old man's asshole in a red robe.

In this social experiment there were some opportunistic folks

who saw an opportunity to pay to play

as they might with cam girls and porn,

or as they might with some other kinds of scenarios.

The money gave them access to a different kind of arousal

experience that they were looking for.

It sounds like it was less about being financially exploited.

So when it comes to the morality of this whole thing,

I think it raises the question of who's in the wrong here.

Is it the people that are providing the service

or is it the people that are asking for it?

Where does the line get crossed.

A very difficult question to ask is

who is morally obliged in this transaction?

So for me I tried this line using my intuition.

So, if I feel like someone's not doing well,

then I will just tell them,

"oh, I've had enough for today, goodbye."

In gambling, for example,

we have the institutional infrastructure in place

to make sure that if there's someone on the gambling floor

who is talking about suicide or is showing

any sort of indication that they are not doing well,

there are things in place to make sure that

that person's going to be okay,

so the blackjack dealer stops stealing to that person.

In financial domination, we don't have that

regulatory framework in terms of what we do

when someone is seeming like they're very vulnerable,

and seeming like they might be going towards self-harm.

So in that sense, financial domination is the wild, wild west,

and it is deregulated.

If it's taking over your life,

then I think absolutely you need help, for sure.

But if this is something that you get off on,

then who's to say it's wrong?

I feel as if they're getting what they want,

the girls are getting what they want.

If the line is not broken or crossed, I think everyone's happy.

Who is the one that's initiating who?

If there is one that is to blame

or that's taking advantage of somebody,

I still don't understand if it's the guy or if it's the girl.

There are a lot of things that are social problems in society.

We have rampant substance use disorders

and people are continuing to engage in substance misuse.

People engage in all kinds of self-harm,

and I'm not advocating for that,

but we also have to honor

that people have autonomy in their lives,

and people have the autonomy to sabotage their lives.

I think that's a really unrealistic burden of responsibility

to be put on the Dom,

when in fact this is a volitional experience,

and the terms for when they're going to disengage

are established ahead of time.

So I've made a lot of money from a lot of different subs.

Some of them, which we call Whale Subs,

are the ones who send the most amount of money.

For me, the most amount of money

I've ever been given in a single sent...

Oh, goodness.

In US dollars, it would probably be close to $40,000.

The $40,000 I got was from what we call in the field a cashmeet.

A cashmeet is basically when you just go meet a financial sub.

He gives you money and then he disappears,

because all he wants to do is just

lay money at your feet in gratitude.

I did this cashmeet in Miami

where there are actually a lot of financial subs,

as you might imagine.

I went down to West Palm

after I had some assurances that he was a legitimate Fin Sub,

and he put me up in a really beautiful hotel, a luxury hotel.

He came to the hotel.

We met in the lobby.

He handed me an envelope, $40,000, as I had requested,

and he left, and I've never seen him again.

He said, "thank you, goddess for taking my money."

It was so sweet.

Some of them are maybe vulnerable or have low self-esteem,

but the majority of subs that I've worked with

come from high powered, high paying professional positions,

and they really enjoy the submissive part of this

because it's the only space in their life

where they get to throw their hands in the air

and surrender to somebody else's command.

There is a real danger in where people are starting on social media

and where it can lead them based on what these videos do,

and then the decisions that they make after that

can many times be permanent.

Guys...

Oh, I think this guy wants to meet in real life.

What do you mean?

He's from around here

and he's saying he wants to do a cashmeet.

Like he's a local?

Yeah, he wants to do a cashmeet.

Like remember before somebody else was asking about a cashmeet?

So you have to degrade him in person?

Like wear boots and...

I'm not going in person.

- And basically... - I'm not going.

But if he's just gonna give me money in real life?

Honestly, only if the amount is like really high, we'll consider it.

Ask.

But I'm not doing it for--

Shoot for the sky, say 10,000.

We'll argue later about who's gonna do it.

I'm gonna say I'm not meeting for anything less than $10,000.

Yeah.

So there was one paypig who wanted to do a cashmeet up.

It's essentially when somebody will come and meet you

and give you money in person.

You know, it's one thing to be doing something behind the phone

and in your own space,

but it's another thing to be going in real life.

I'm freaking out.

- I don't know if I can do this - I honestly hope he says

no to 10,000 because I know that there's bigger problems

after he says yes.

I think there's really a difference between hiding behind a screen

and being online and knowing that you're probably

never gonna see these people and like actually having to go there

and face a paypig.

- You know what I mean? - That's scary.

But what does he want to do, be on his knees?

But also like, are we safe?

Oh.

What?

- He sent a dick pic? - No.

- What? - He said yes to 10,000.

- No. - I don't get it.

- I don't know if I believe it. - He's a fake.

- He has to at least-- - He's fake.

Okay wait, he has to send us like the money before.

- If we do this... - At least half.

At least half.

Because when I was researching I know that they like to do

like give you the cash but I'm not--

- What is it like? - On your boots kind of thing?

Yeah.

But I'm-- shall we say, half now? Send 5,000.

So I know it's real.

He's probably fake.

I feel like it's fake but I mean we'll try.

Well if he sends the 5,000...

and 5,000 for sure.

He's not just gonna send 5,000 for nothing.

How does he know you're gonna show up?

Well how do I know he's gonna show up with 10K?

How do I know he's not gonna kill us?

These are all valid questions.

How do I know he's coming alone?

- Well we're not coming alone. - Maybe there's a friend for you?

- No. - He didn't send it.

There's no way. I don't believe it.

- No. - No way.

Guys I'm telling you.

- Did he send it? - He sent $5,000.

Stop.

- He send it. - Oh my God, he's real.

I'm actually gonna throw up

but this means that this has to happen.

There's no way.

I'm not doing this alone.

I'm not doing this alone.

So you're obviously gonna come.

Well obviously and you're standing there with me.

Well, I'm gonna be hidden in a car.

- He chose you. - I'm not going by myself.

Well, we're gonna come with you for sure.

But we'll be in like the car hiding or something.

Look, we're just gonna go as three and we're gonna figure it out.

Look, I don't want to scare him either.

Like we all show up and then he like--

Well, we're not gonna show Mirco.

Like if I come with you, it's not bad.

Okay, you let him know before I come with you

and he's like "what the fuck, who's this fucking ugly brunette here?

I want the blonde."

I'm gonna tell him, he told me 11 a.m.

Which is perfect, it's one hour before the experiment ends.

So it's our last jump.

Yeah.

Well, listen, it's the most money we've ever been--

we've ever gotten, so let's take it.

When he mentioned the amount that he wanted to give us

it was kind of like, well, we need to do this

like we need to see this through,

just to make sure we got him to send us

half of the money beforehand through PayPal

and when we actually got it, I was like, this is serious.

So obviously we're trying to make as much money as we can

before the 24 hours is done.

So this would be one of the biggest amounts

we would be getting, so we knew we had to do it.

You know, setting up two people who have no training

in how to be a dom, they don't have any mentors in that space.

You know, a lot of folks who are looking to get into this space

don't know how to get started,

and they do something very similar to the social experiment

Guys, I'm literally so nervous.

Like I really don't know what to do in this situation.

But why are you nervous? You're getting 10K.

- I don't know, he can be a murderer. - Why don't you go out and get the money?

We're all here.

Who's fighting him?

Me.

Okay.

With your toilet plunger.

He will be the first one to run.

No, no, okay, but what am I supposed to do exactly?

Like how do these things work?

Am I like in your shadow or am I coming in?

- Like I'm coming-- - Like I would say come beside me.

But does he know? Because he might be like intimidated and leave.

He knows you're coming and I'm not going alone.

But am I supposed to just ask for the money

and he's putting it in my hand? Or is there some kind of thing

that we're supposed to do? Like he's putting it on the floor?

He's putting it in my hand? Like how does it, is it, is it like a the...

- The only thing I really know is like... - Pass it and go?

We have to tell him to kiss our feet.

I'm not stepping on that.

Make him like your boots.

Hey, I know she's wearing patent but easy there.

Well, we're talking about a lot of money here.

So I was like, okay, let's do this,

let's try and figure out the safest way we could do this.

I'm gonna be the driver, I'm gonna take you girls here,

and if anything happens, I'm gonna drive away and leave you guys there.

No, I'm kidding.

Oh my God.

- He just texted me. - No.

Is he here?

- He said "just getting here." - I have anxiety.

I have anxiety.

I'm literally gonna throw up.

Where is he gonna come in from?

Is there like a door?

I don't think... I don't even think he's coming in a car.

- He said just got here. - Does he know what car we have?

Well, we're taking all his money.

I don't think he has a car.

I think when you guys get out, I'm gonna drive off.

Are you crazy?

I'll literally beat you up.

If you drive off, I promise you

- I'm running after the car. - I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

It was just a really high anxiety situation.

Now I don't feel like I have the control and at any point

he can freak out and I don't know, I don't know him.

I'm like stressing right now.

Is that him?

- Oh my God. - That's him.

- I wanna die. - He's walking here.

No. Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god.

- He's here, he's here, he's here. - No, I wanna die, I wanna die, I wanna die.

Guys, what do we do, do we get out?

I think like tell him to go in the corner

and then we'll be there.

Like does he see us?

Are your windows tinted?

I think let's just get out, are you ready?

No.

Mirco, you're staying in the car?

- I think... - Do I leave my phone here?

I think you go, I'll meet you later.

No, you're coming out of the car right now.

Get out of the car.

Open your door.

- Hello goddess. - Stay far.

Get on your knees, get on your knees.

On your knees, I said.

You're so beautiful.

- Did you bring all the money? - Thank you, yes.

You brought $5,000, right?

Yes.

Kiss my feet.

Oh my God.

Okay, that's enough.

Start putting the money down.

Faster.

- Keep putting the money down. - Yes goddess.

Hurry up.

On the floor.

Yes goddess.

- I'm sure you love this, don't you? - Yes goddess.

Do you love this? I didn't say you could touch my feet.

I'm so sorry, goddess.

- Keep putting the money. - Here's your money.

And put some near my feet too.

Yes goddess, I love you goddess.

How much do you love us?

I said how much do you love us?

I love you goddess.

Sorry.

- I'm sorry, goddess. - Stop.

Touch my feet.

Both feet.

Okay, now get on your knees.

You're wasting my time so put all the money.

Yes goddess.

I want you to oink at the same time.

Put all the money on the ground

and now collect it together,

- Yes goddess. - Get on the floor.

- Yes goddess. - Put it neatly in a pile

- and hand it to us. - Yes, goddess.

I'm not picking this up off the floor.

- I'm sorry, goddess. - What do you say to your goddesses?

I love you, goddess.

I'm sorry, goddesses.

Now get up.

Don't look at us.

Keep your head down.

Turn around.

Now walk away.

Leave.

Faster.

Thank you goddess.

- Mirco. - We got it, Mirco.

We got it.

If he gone? We filmed it?

- Yeah. - Is he gone?

Yeah, yeah. He's gone, he's gone.

I don't even know if he gave 5,000. I was so nervous.

I was just like stand up, pick it down, put it back up,

get on your knees, get back down.

Kiss my feet, touch my feet, crawl.

- No. - That was the most anxiety,

- I didn't know what the fuck I was doing. - I was waiting a murderer.

But like honestly, I could get used to this.

It was a little rusty, you know, like get up, get down,

put the money on the floor,

I mean like it was kind of weird and, you know, amateur,

but I think at the end of the day

we're just trying to do what they want.

What's just crazy to me is that like he enjoyed that.

Well like I want you to know

- I would have never done this alone. - Can we leave? Can we leave?

Yeah, I think we should leave.

He's going to come back with a-- I don't know.

What if we leave and he's like there, like...

Goddess, please have more.

Oh my God.

If you think about like the power that women have over men,

I mean, like civilizations have collapsed

over the love of a woman, right?

I think in the social experiment I realized how draining it is

to actually, you know, do this for a living I guess.

And these guys want so much from you.

And I think that's what the exchange is.

You think you're giving nothing in return,

but really you're giving so much time and energy.

It was interesting to see how much money you can make

by doing this, that not a lot of people are aware of.

I can have a man buy my drink just by making eye contact with him.

That's it. That's all I have to do.

And it's just hold the eye contact slightly longer than you would.

And guess what? My things are being paid for.

It all comes down to recognizing your power.

I think you definitely have to have a strong personality.

I have a strong personality.

I'm like, I'll extract money from you and I won't care.

The way I see it is kind of, if it's not me,

it's the next chick.

You have to have a certain type of personality

and you have to be mentally strong to be able to degrade someone

and just see it as work.

For me,

if I have the option of being able to make a lot of money

without showing my face, then I'm going to opt for that.

Who's not a little fucked up?

Like, everyone is, okay, people have different kinks.

I think this one is just weird to a lot of people.

A lot of people think that Fin Subs are just, you know,

losers with low self-esteem and a big history of trauma.

Like, the idea of just giving up your money

to somebody for nothing in return

is something that people can't really wrap their heads around.

But if you understand domination,

in its most fundamental form, is the act of giving up power.

It's a kink, they're having an experience.

They're experiencing all the different contours of power.

Even if you live in a capitalistic society.

What is the one thing that gives people more power than anything?

Money.