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All right, me old son?
All right, Dad?

I can't hear you very well,
you know.

Oh, yeah. Oh. Hold on.

What are the screws like that are
there with you now? Are they nice?

Yeah, there's two in here.

One's just gone out to make me
a cup of tea. Oh, nice. Happy days.

Got your own waiter service,
haven't you?

Hey, do you realise we're only
about five or six weeks away

from the court case
in the High Court?

What the parole board
have gotta understand is

I'm nearly 70.

I'm anti-crime, anti-violent.
Fuck me,

I've only got to grow a pair of
wings and I'm laughing, ain't I?

Nothing I do naughty.

I've gotta be given that
opportunity to go out there

and live my life decent,

respectful, and earn my living
and enjoy what's left.

Here are some of the suggestions.

Victims and the press will be able
to attend parole board hearings

for the first time.

Also, the parole board possibly
granted greater powers,

such as being able to compel
witnesses

and whether it should operate
more like a tribunal

in a courtroom setting.

Since the last meeting with Charlie,
the law was finally changed

to enable us to apply for a public
parole hearing. We did that,

and we're still waiting
to hear at the moment.

Everybody recognises that there's
been no risk-related behaviour

for a very significant period.

There has to come a point where the
system recognises that progress.

I went to visit Charlie one day
and I said, I've been to see

this crime museum down south
near Brighton.

And he goes,
"You should open one of them."

I thought, "Not a bad idea."
So I opened a crime museum.

As I went through the security
gates, I could hear someone singing,

# Please release me, let me go. #

I've gone out and Charlie is stood
on his hands upside down,

doing 100 press-ups in mid-air,
singing this song.

How long did it take him to tell
you, "I think I'm your daddy"?

At the end of the visit he'd taken
two hairs which he pulled out

of his moustache,
and he put them in a napkin

and he said, "I want you
to get them tested for DNA."

And I said, "Why would I wanna
get them tested for DNA?"

And he said, "Because
I think I might be your dad."

And that was the very first
inclination I had.

That was it. And the DNA test
is pretty conclusive.

Yeah, we've had two DNA tests done.

I get people messaging me
all the time saying,

"You're full of shit.
You're not Charles Bronson's son.

"You're a liar. You just want to
make money out of him."

People are entitled
to their opinions.

You know, me and Charlie
have got our relationship,

and it's nothing to do with
anyone else, to be quite honest.

When I was brought up,
never knew who me dad was,

never, ever met me Dad.
Presumed me dad was dead.

Agreeing to reveal
some of the dark arts of this world

is one of the paparazzi's
most controversial figures,

photographer George Bamby.

I don't just take pictures...
Give us a smile! Oh, BLEEP!

..I make stories.

Now drop it. Drop it.

They might not always be true.

I've seen you on telly. I've
actually seen you half a dozen times

on telly before we met up.
I knew you was my lad.

We got the nose. We have.
Same jawline.

Same... And there's...
There's a lot of muppets out there

that have stuck their nose in our
personal domestic business.

The should be a-fucking-shamed
of themselves.

You know your mother? Yeah.

I ain't got a lot of time for her.
I never did have.

She was two cans
short of a six pack.

She really was.

But I love her

for giving birth to my son.

Why did you two split up, then?

Well, I was married, weren't I?

I was married to Irene.

Your mum, she used to come up
to Ellesmere Port,

and I used to see her
at the Waverly Club,

and I used to go to Manchester
and see her in clubs and pubs there.

And I never loved her

because she was a lunatic.

But the truth is, I believe

everything happens for a reason.

Everything. Right? Yeah.

And at this moment of time,

me and you are solid as a rock,
mate.

I spend hours and hours
doing stuff for Charlie.

I spend probably an hour a day with
him on the phone, talking to him.

Sometimes when we're abroad,
he'll ring up and he'll be like,

"Right, where are you?
What are you doing?

"Have you got suntan lotion?

"What's it feel like when
you put suntan lotion on?

"When are you having you dinner?
What are you having for dinner?
What...? What's the food like?"

Every little detail
of what ever you're doing,

he wants to know every single
miniature detail

because he's not used
to anything like that.

So it's all massively new for him.

Even when we're eating dinner,
he'll say,

"Just touch the...
the cutlery on the plate.

"Let me listen to that."
And he's like, "Oh, my God."

And then, "Describe your roast
dinner." So we say, you know,

"There's lovely carrots,
minted peas, new potatoes..."

He said, "Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

"Have you got butter on the
new potatoes?" Yes, we've got...

"Is it Lurpak?"
Yes, it's Lurpak. "Oh, my God."

There's no evidence that any police
have ever searched here.

Nor, it seems...

He's an enigma.
He loves the attention.

You know, one of the worst things
for him would be if none of us

wrote about him or talked about him.

I think he might find that
very difficult.

I think he...
He doesn't want to be forgotten.

He's known as Britain's
most dangerous prisoner.

There was a glimpse of the violent
side of Charles Bronson

at this unlicensed boxing match.

Charles Bronson got seven years
for armed robbery in 1974,

but a series of violent outbursts
in prison has kept him locked up

almost ever since.

In the last episode,
he took a hostage for two days,

prison art teacher Phil Danielson.

It earned Bronson a life sentence.

He's an instantly recognisable
figure. I think largely because

of that title that he was given
in the tabloid press -

Britain's Worst Prisoner.

Britain's Most Violent Prisoner
is probably the most common.

And I was guilty of giving him that
title in the early days as well.

He clearly is of interest,

particularly to newspaper readers.

You know, I suppose
it's self perpetuating.

You know,
one story leads to another.

The Sun will do a story about him.

The Mirror will do another story.

I did try to get in here
to see Charles Bronson

and he would have been happy
to meet me.

But his visitor list
is severely restricted.

But he did send me this drawing.

He's unique.
He's also a self publicist.

In some of his books,

he's glorified the violence

and almost revelled in
some of the attacks he's launched.

He talks and describes these attacks
with a lot of relish,

which clearly do not do him any good
when it comes to parole hearings.

My dad has manipulated the system
for a lot of years. He's great at

getting his stories out. He's great
at getting stuff in the papers.

He's great and getting stuff
on the telly. Teamed up with me,

we're an absolute fucking knockout.

We've sold stories.

We've even made stories up
just for a laugh,

just to keep him entertained.

95% of it is just complete bollocks
that we've just sat there on a visit

and had a fucking laugh
about and thought,

"Should we fucking do that?" I mean,
there was a story I did once...

He goes, "Get me on the front page
this Sunday." I'm like, "Right, OK."

So I'm in the car driving home
and I'm like, "What the fuck
am I gonna to do here?

"Right. How do you fancy
having a baby?"

"A fucking baby?! What do I want
a baby for?!" I went,

"Well, you don't want a baby,
really, but just say
you want a baby."

"Oh, right, I see what you mean."

So he goes, "Right, I'll ring
you back in five minutes."

He rings me back and he goes,
"Right. Hello, son. How are you?"

"I'm all right, Dad, yeah."
"Right. I want a fucking baby."

Send the tape off
to the papers. Front page -

"Bronson: I want a baby."

Then he rings me up on Sunday.
"Fucking brilliant."

It's just a big fucking farce,
innit? But it keeps him entertained.

But caught in all sorts
of media attention,

he's not necessarily always
helping his case, but this is why

the public parole hearing
is so important,

because it will actually enable
the full argument to be presented

and members of the public
can make their own mind up.

Make no bones about it,
Charlie likes being on the telly.

He likes being in the papers.
I mean, he loves himself.

If he was made of chocolate,
he'd fucking eat himself.

But it is what it is.

Oh! My little baby.

Hey?

Gonna go for a walk later?
Walkies! Come on.

Good girl. Good girl. Good girl.

He's got quite a few girlfriends
and quite a lot of the time

I find myself on occasion

posting out little toys
for some of his girlfriends.

In fact, I've got one at the moment

where he sent me the name
and address of some young lady...

Well, not young lady, she's about
40-odd, that he's been talking to
for a while.

And, yeah, he really likes her

and he wants me to post something
out to her, so.

He likes to please his girlfriends,
and that's the only way he can...

He sends them gifts
of certain things.

Flowers, sometimes.
Sometimes it's boxed up, whatever.

So he says, "Just send her
a little note saying

"'I'll be out in a few months.

"'While I'm still in here,

"'Here's something
to keep you occupied.'"

It's a vibrator.

Don't know how it works
or what I've bought, that's it.

I've got no idea what goes on
with the postman here, or Amazon,

but on my record list, I think
I bought about 12 vibrators

in the last 12 months.
So that's another one

that's going to be posted out
very shortly.

it's not too late to, you know,
maybe get married again or whatever.

But I just want to... You've been
married more fucking times

than Joan Collins, you have. Yeah,
but I like wedding cake, don't I?

I ain't getting married
for fucking wedding cake, mate.

Right, this is
my dad's wedding outfit,

and this is the exact outfit
that he wore at Wakefield prison.

And after the wedding,
he gave me the wedding outfit

cos he wanted to put it into the
crime museum for people to see.

And alongside Paula,
who was his wife,

that's Paula's wedding outfit.

It's great for the tabloids, innit?

"UK's most notorious violent
prisoner, Charles Bronson,

"marries some gorgeous bird
25, 30 years his junior.

"Massive pair of knockers, great
personality, long hair, big eyes

"that's had a couple of little
bit parts on Coronation Street."

Just classic for the papers,
innit, and the magazines.

When I met me dad, I was
very heavily involved with the media

and I had a lot of power
with, like, front page stories.

Paula latched onto me.

She wanted to be in the limelight.

And then I found myself becoming,
like, a PR agent with Paula.

Before I knew it,
I'm sat in the studios,

Loose Women, Lorraine,
this, that and the other.

We all love a bad boy.

We do love a bad boy.
This boy, you know what I mean?

There's bad boys
and there's bad boys.

And I'm going to the bad boy one.
We mustn't minimise...

No, I know. I know, I know.
I get that.

She wanted publicity
for Charlie and for herself.

I shall be the first to admit that.

I'm in the middle of one of the
biggest media storms in the country

and I'm like, "Fucking great.
I can make loads of money."

He can't speak for himself. He has
to rely on other people to do that.

And, you know...
So are you being used perhaps?

Definitely not. Definitely not.

Do you think he deserves
to speak for himself?

People want to hear about him.
That's why he gets headlines,

that's why he gets the media
attention that he does.

People are fascinated by him.

We're a pretty lethal combination,
to be honest.

I think Charlie knew that as well.

No, Charlie's not daft, you know,
he can be quite manipulative.

So can I. So could Paula.

And so can the media.

London!

I'm gonna marry Charlie Salvador!

Woohoo! Get in!

Everybody's using everybody.

Everybody does use everyone
in the media. And it'll never stop.

Paula wanted a documentary
making about her wedding.

She was very insistent on it.

So I got a friend of mine
with a camera and, you know,

just filmed it, sort of thing.

Oh, my God.

You were heavily involved
in the wedding planning as well,

weren't you?
Didn't have much choice,

me old man told me,
"Get me wedding organised.

"I'm getting married
on such a date. Crack on."

Keep it covered...

# Fame

# Makes a man take things over

# Fame... #

Watch you don't trip, darling.

Yeah, yeah. Hold on, hold on,
hold on. Give us that bloody pint.

He wanted the biggest wedding
in the world. He wanted dwarfs.

He wanted God knows what else.

And then a lookalike
dancing around with Paula.

I mean, it was just a fucking joke,
to be honest.

That's what he wanted on his
wedding day, that's what he got.

So just give them 30 seconds on
their own then you can all join in.

Paula, do some poses.

# Call my name

# And it feels like

# Home... #

How do you feel now you got married?
Really, really bloody happy.

Is it what you thought it would be?
Are you excited. Yeah,

yeah, I'm really happy now. So what
was Charlie like when you went in?

Did he cry?

He welled up a little. Oh, did he?
He got a little bit choked.

See, that shows he's got emotions,
don't it, you know what I mean?

Who'd have thought it, eh?
I know, exactly.

When they got married, he said,
"She's got to go on the honeymoon,
she's gotta have a honeymoon.

"She needs to go on the honeymoon.
You need to go with her. You've
gotta take some pictures."

So I ended up taking us
to Malta on honeymoon.

And he said, "Right, you've got
to make me one promise.

"I want a picture of me and Paula
on the beach in the papers."

This was the only thing that I could
come up with at the time,

which was a book of me dad's
with Paula sitting on the beach

with her legs akimbo.

And the reason I did that was
to give my dad a bit of a chuckle

in prison because I thought,
"He'll see that, he'll love that."

This is what I call
Salvador Central.

It's a bloody mess at the moment,
but basically I get...

Like, today, this is all the stuff
that I've got off Charlie

through the post off him today.

My life is-is-is...being taken over
by being with Charlie,

which isn't a bad thing
because I'm campaigning for him,

but I didn't anticipate the degree.

This is all legal stuff.

Charlie merchandise stuff down here.

It looks insane. But it's...
There's a method in the madness.

Paula was basically his manager.

Charlie's Charlie,
you're not going to change Charlie.

You know, he's always had people
on the outside, you know,

doing a little bit of business
for him, sort of basically

being his middleman
to the world, really.

I'm not happy. What's going on?

See that photo in the fucking paper,

it's like you've just
ate a fucking horse. It's upset me.

You've put on about
four fucking stone.

I can't believe that fucking photo.

You're not doing this,
she can't be.

You got to explain to me
what the fuck's going on.

Fucking shocked me, that.

When Charlie makes a decision,
he makes a decision.

If he says, "Right, that's it,
you're not visiting me again,

"You're not talking to me again,"
that's it.

He just cuts people off like that.
He's done it with me.

After less than a year of marriage,

Charles has written to Paula
saying he wants a divorce

after these pictures of Paula
were leaked to the papers.

He said that I humiliated him.

He's a man of great pride
and I've humiliated him. And I have.

I was sat at home
watching that interview.

It was awful to see

cos it just showed how vulnerable
she was

and how mixed up
and confused she was.

So this is his official statement.

"Paula has disrespected me,
my mum and most of all herself.

"I can't accept that kind
of behaviour from somebody

"who's supposed to be my wife..."
I don't...

"She also has a drink
and prescription drug problem,

"which makes her do crazy things.

"I can't be involved with somebody
like that. She needs to get help.

"I'll miss her, but she needs
to sort herself out

"or she will be dead in two years."

I knew there was always going to be
a danger of her doing some harm

to herself or doing something.

And.... And it was scary.

She used to ring me up and go,
"I'll be dead tomorrow."

And then one day I locked
on me phone and it was a message

off somebody that said,
"Is it true?"

I mean, Paula was just fodder.

Unfortunately,
that's what Paula was.

She was just press fodder.

Do you think she felt exploited?
She was exploited to the max,

really. I kept telling her
she had a very short shelf life,

unfortunately, you know,

as far as the media goes,
she paid the ultimate price.

She was a lost soul,
but she was a lovely person.

She had a heart of gold.
And I'll tell you something,

she lived every day
as if it was her last one.

And she gave a lot of people a lot
of love and a lot of joy in a life.

But...it is what it is, innit?

When Paula come into my life,

it was like a light going on.

It was beautiful.

And I thought the world
of Paula, I really did.

And we had some beautiful plans.

And now she's gone.

I'll always love her.

The reason why Bronson or any other
prisoner is in prison

is because they've committed serious
offences that have harmed people.

And a consequence of that

is in, what's admittedly
a difficult environment,

he now has to show
that he's safe to be released.

The decision is simply about -
are you likely to reoffend?

So, actually, you don't have to be
a nice person to be released,

you have to be a safe person
to be released.

It takes me three days
to actually visit my dad.

A day's travel, a day doing the
visit and a day's travel home again.

But, hopefully, won't be happening
for too much longer.

He might be getting out, and if he
does, be absolutely amazing.

This morning we're gonna have
a meeting in front of, like,

the wing governor, the prison
governors, the psychologists,

you know, all the people
that are part of the process.

They discuss how his behaviour
has been, how things are going on,

you know, what he's been up to.

And by talking to these people
and communicating with them,

hopefully we can work together
and find out what we need to do

to get him the best chance
of getting parole.

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They have come back
and they've down categorised him

to medium risk
to staff members in the prison.

He's never, ever been
categorised that low.

That was just such a brilliant
victory for us today. For parole,

it's a massive step forward.

The medium risk of serious harm
assessment

is absolutely monumental and
significant. When the parole people

look at it, the first thing
they're going to see is,

"This man is medium risk
to staff at the prison,"

which goes really well
with what we're trying to show them,

that he's not a risk
when he gets outside.

Long Lartin Prison near Evesham.

It takes long-term prisoners.

Here, the stress is on security,
not rehabilitation.

I didn't wanna
come back to prison.

Now, me old dad picked me up
outside Gartree Prison

in Leicestershire.

And I was released
as a Category A prisoner.

So I wasn't given any form
of rehabilitation whatsoever.

Such as, I had no home leave,

no parole, no nothing.

Now, on the way home,

me dad pulled into the cafe
on the motorway,

and I wasn't properly ready
for mixing with people.

Now, I went to the toilet
and there was about seven or eight

people in the toilet.

Geezers.

Now, I was convinced that
them people in that toilet

was waiting for me.

Paranoia?

Well, I don't know about paranoid
then, but I felt

that they was waiting for me.

Put it in a nutshell -

I was ill prepared to go out.

I wasn't... I wasn't ready
for the people, you know.

And I lasted ten weeks
and I'm back in again.

The parole board are obviously
going to want to see evidence

that Charles has changed,
that his risk has diminished.

You can see from that time
that his violent behaviour

really started to peter off, became
less frequent and less severe.

And so I think credit where credit
is due to him - he's done an awful

lot of the rehabilitative
work himself.

He's worked hard on himself
in the privacy and the confines

of his cell.

People talk about treatment.

It's not like a medical treatment.

It doesn't have that degree
of certainty.

So some of these things help
people control their emotions

and change their behaviour a bit.

For me, I think the most important
thing is how any Bronson

or any other prisoner -

well, how are they now reacting
when things happen

that might make them angry?

"Armed robber Bronson was reportedly
tackled to the ground by 12 prison

"guards after stripping off
and buttering up."

Well, that's a big deal. OK,
what happens when you get angry?

How do you deal with that when
you have disappointments

and setbacks?

We will be saying and talking to him
about, what does that tell us,

do you think, Mr Bronson,
about your future behaviour

and what are you going to do
next time someone annoys

you or you have a falling
out with somebody?

How are you going to resolve that?

But for any prisoner,
if what there was is evidence

of violent behaviour following
the prisoner losing his temper

relatively close to his parole
hearing, then that would clearly

count against him.

Well, this was the last period
of real instability that we've seen,

and that was five years ago.

There is documented research that
tells us that, the older somebody

is when they are released
from prison, the less likely

they are to engage
in violent behaviour.

And in actual fact, the research
shows that, from the age of 70,

violent recidivism actually
drops off to nil.

Now, Charlie might be the exception
to that rule.

Anybody reading about Charlie's
history is going to take a deep

breath and think, how can
this man move forward?

He's capable of such violence.

What does that mean for his future?

But is he a risk of violence
in the future?

Yes or no?
Well, I can't answer yes or no.

It'd be great if I could,

and then I could just pack my bags
and leave.

It's a huge decision for the parole
board to make and, if it goes wrong,

you know, you can imagine
the furore.

We're not going to have
to plumb this up.

They're nice, aren't they, Dan?
Solid, aren't they?

Hey!

Hey!

Hey!

My goodness!

I didn't recognise you!
Met Charlie in the blocks,

in the segregation, isolation.

We had a lot in common in terms
of the struggles

that we was having at the time,

by the system which brings
you together, doesn't it?

You unify because you understand
the suffering that each one

of you are having.

And as a result of that,
you form a bond.

You've got a black barn there,
which will have a pitched roof.

You've got the white picket house
here, like Little House

on the Prairie.

For those of the age bracket
like myself who'll remember that.

And you'll step in the door here.

OK? And all this is open
living plan, all this.

Can you compare this space
wise to what you were used

to for 20 odd years?

OK, so...

So my cell would start here.

OK, then you go one, two.

That's your wall in your cell.

Then we're going to go...

..one, two, three, four.

That's the length of your cell.

If you was walking in my cell now,
this is what I'd be doing.

"Fucking bastard!
I know he was rude to me.

"He keeps fucking about with me!

"He keeps giving me agg!
Fucking hell, wait till I see him!

"I'm not going to have it no more!

"He's been bullying me for a week."

Turn that way, you got a wall.
You turn that way, you got a wall.

You're going to keep bumping
into this wall,

bumping into that wall, bumping
into...before you go, "Fuck off!

"I've had enough."

What sort of challenges
will Charlie face when he gets out?

I mean, I can tell you right now,
if someone's screaming in my face,

they are hell bent on doing damage
to me because I might have not

indicated at the right time
in the car.

They get out their car
and they come flying up to you.

Well, you ain't getting past there,
mate, cos once you're past there,

that means you want to get to me
and I will belt you.

Self-defence.

But I'd be recalled for that.

It's stuff like that

that he would take offence to.
Someone smashing into him.

He'd go, "What the fuck?
"Who do you think you are?"

Took me a while to get
my head around that.

Prod a dog,
it'll bite you eventually.

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Shall I go and tell them to shut up?

Cos I'm getting the hump with them
out there now. Just...

Do you want to pause that, please,
for a minute?

Cos they've got no brains,
have they?

Like, they know I'm filming in here.

What's wrong with you?

Listen...please.

I don't... I've got very short
patience with stupidness.

So you can see my temperament
in prison.

Hasn't left me.

If somebody comes up into your face
now...

They won't get that close.

Why would you want to
get in my face?

I don't want to get in
your bleedin' face.

I'm not having that.

As simple as that.

Still? Still.

And I'm in society.

The big dilemma is how long
does it go on?

Is it better if he stays
in for the protection of us all?

Is it better he's let out
because he served so long?

Is it long enough?

And would I have grounds to object
if they did let him out?

And probably considering the length
of the sentence, at face value,

I probably wouldn't have many
grounds to object

because it's 23 years.

I don't feel sorry for him now,
but part of me does think that maybe

justice has been done
and justice has been served.

You remember that Phil Danielson?

Yeah. The teacher? Yeah.

Yeah, the other teacher
you took hostage.

Looking back on it now,

I probably overreacted.

Well, hold on. Let me...
Let me stop you.

If I was on the parole and you said
to me, "I might have overreacted,"

I would be like, "Right, I'm not
fucking giving you parole."

Do you know why?

Why?

Because when you're talking
about Phil Danielson, I want

you to say to me, "Do you know what,
I think about that every day.

"I fucking ruined that guy's life."

Well, what I would go as far as
saying is I do feel sorry for it.

Remorseful.

Er...
That's the word that they want.

You can't live life
regretting your life.

I come into prison, right, in 1974
and I deserved to come to prison.

I was a very dangerous person.
I was unpredictable.

I was getting involved in guns.

I was doing robberies.

And I deserved to come to jail.

But I don't regret all that
because it was my life.

How important is it to you that
he shows remorse for what he did?

Oh, absolutely.

I think he needs to show remorse and
I think it needs to be documented

remorse as well.

Not just a lot of clever talk
to get himself back in the papers.

For me, the remorse is, if he gets
out, is giving back to society

as a whole.

You know what I mean,
like, it should continue.

All right, Georgie boy. How are you,
son? That's a nice, smart T shirt.

Hey, come on, you Spurs.

Your muscles are looking quite big.

You've been working out?

I work out six days a week.

Do you reckon you can still take me
in a fight?

Oh, behave yourself.

Right, we're obviously
working tirelessly

to try and get you released.

If you do get out...

What do you mean, if I do? Well...

Well, when you get out, what do you
want to do with your life?

Where can you see yourself?

I'm coming down your way to live.
In Devon?

Yeah. I'm going to start off
with a nice little caravan.

Get used to mixing with people.

That'll be good for you mentally.
I think so.

As soon as I get out,
I get a bus pass, don't I?

Last time I come out, George,
within 48 hours

I had a sawn-off shotgun.

That's not a good start, is it?

Men of my age don't normally

get out of prison
and turn their lives around.

My life ain't fucking started yet,
mate.

So you later, Maz.

Make no mistake about it,
making that transition from prison

to the community is difficult
for everybody.

It's not an easy thing to do,
and it sometimes goes wrong.

What will certainly be a big factor,
will be in a sense what's

going to happen after release.

How are you going to live?

How are you going to manage
your emotions in those situations?

How will you use the support
that is available to you?

For someone who's
done a long sentence.

It's a big adjustment.

RECORDING: See, people don't realise
I'm an old-fashioned geezer.

I've seen the local area.

It's got beautiful
fish and chip shops.

It's got a bingo hall, cos I do love
a bit of bingo, you know?

Last time I played bingo
was 1979 in Broadmoor Asylum.

And every morning I'm going to
have my little run with my dogs,

Ron and Reg.

I'm going to be happy.

I'm going to be free.

Did your dad teach you how to fish?

Never had a dad when I was younger,
did I?

My step dad,
he was an evil bastard.

He was really horrible to me.
And my mum was.

They used to make me eat
dog meat sandwiches,

shoot me with a pellet gun.

Wanted to kill myself so many times
when I was a child.

I just didn't want to live.

I was taken away from them.

I went to about
25 different schools.

Kept getting moved from
pillar to post.

I remember one day, it was the worst
situation I've ever had in my life.

I never had any PE gear
and I went to school one day.

So I said to the gym master,
"I ain't got anything to wear."

And he just says, "Right,
don't worry, we'll get you something

"out of the lost property."

I said, "No, no, no, honestly,
I don't want to do it. I'm fine."

He said, "You will do it.
You will get changed."

I said, "Don't want to get changed.
Don't want to do games.

"I don't want to do it."

And there's about 25 kids
in the changing room,

and he stood up and said,

"Get your clothes off now
and get changed."

And then I got changed and I was
fucking stood there with a pair

of my sister's knickers on
with a teddy bear holding

a balloon in front of all
these kids in the class.

And, ev-...

It's just, like, everyone started
laughing at me and stuff.

And then the teacher sent everyone
out, and then he took me

to the office, and I had all these
bruises on me and all these marks

on me and stuff where he'd put,

like, cigarettes out on me
and things.

It was one most humiliating
experiences in my life.

But these things like that
that happen,

they make you a stronger person.

What was that like, then, to
have grown up like that

and then to have that phone
call to say, "I think I'm your dad"?

I've never had a dad,
never needed a dad,

never wanted a dad

until I met Charlie.

We've really bonded
the last few years.

Made me realise
what I've missed out on.

Have you ever been angry with him?

Yeah, course I have. I told him.

I told him loads of times.

It's really hard not to love him.

I mean, if you knew him like I do

and you'd met him and you'd spent
time with him and you speak to him

every single day,

he does basically what a lot
of normal fathers, I would imagine,

would do with their children.

But just 45 years too late.

Do you know what I mean?

Charlie needs me and I need him.

You can sense the frustration.

I mean, I'm very frustrated.

It's political, 100% it's political.

RAAB: Today I'm publishing the root
and branch review

of the parole system.

The public expect ministers to take
responsibility for their safety.

I want to make sure the parole
process is re-anchored back

into the primary and overriding
focus on protecting the public,

particularly for the top tier
of more dangerous offenders,

where the risk and assessing risk
of what they might do in the future

is so difficult to predict
with any precision.

Dominic Raab has said he's going to
personally review high-risk cases.

So if that's the case,
why do we have a parole board?

Are we going back to the dark days
of the minister deciding

who should be released,
even though he doesn't understand

the parole process and has never

watched or observed
a parole hearing?

He knows best, he needs to be
the one to make the decision.

I think politicians should set
the rules and the laws,

having been elected -
I think that's a good thing.

But I think it should be independent
judicial bodies that decide

whether to lock someone up,
not a politician.

And I think it's not a good thing
when we give politicians the powers

to lock people up.

Generally doesn't go well.

We've got a cake with two
little candles in it with 70 on it.

I've sent him a card
and all the rest of it.

There's a little pressie,
and, yeah, it's his birthday.

He doesn't really celebrate
his birthdays.

Or he says, "Oh, I don't
celebrate them anymore."

I mean, how can you celebrate a
birthday when you're locked in

a cage on your own?

I mean, I'm looking forward to him
coming out but, I don't know,

if I'm completely honest...

..it's going to be a fucking
nightmare when he comes out,

because...

..I don't know.

I've just not got any experience
of dealing with a 70-year-old man

that's spent 50 years
locked in a room.

Nobody has.

It's just going to be so difficult.

Nobody's got that experience,
have they? No.

And we need to obviously be there
for him and support him

as much as we can.

And we know it's not going
to be an easy journey.

It's going to be really difficult.

What do you think about,
like, his violent episodes

in the past, and all that lot?

Would you be, like,
scared of him coming out?

From what I've heard, yes.

Yes, I would be.

Would you? Yeah.
Wouldn't you?

Yeah, but you've had a relationship
with him. You've spoke to him a lot.

Yeah, but I only know him as I've
spoken to him over the phone.

I can only say as I find.

And also, you know,
he has been really violent

in the past and he could come out
and cause someone some real damage.

But we won't know that until
he comes out and gets given

the opportunity to prove... Yeah.
..that he's changed his ways.

Have you seen Charlie's rap sheet?
No.

There's a lot of convictions
on there for a lot of things.

Possession of firearms, wounding
with intent, all sorts of stuff.

And the parole board are going
to take a lot of convincing

to let him out.

The other thing, though, you know,
I can be completely fucking

be manipulated by my own old dad
and he could, you know, just get

out of prison and come round to the
house and fall out with me one

day and kick the living
fucking shit out

and stab me with a bread knife.

I don't know. You don't know
what's going to happen, do you?

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