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Everything I have in here,
you see, is one of a kind.
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This stuff's all chiffon stuff.
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This stuff's my fancy stuff.
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I bought these in 1967,
and they're still brand-new.
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They got great, big-
they're low hip-huggers, right?
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They come down here.
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And they got great, big bells
on 'em, man.
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These are nice leather ones.
They're real soft.
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Feel the leather on those.
They're soft.
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They feel good, don't they?
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I like a lot of paisley shit,
you know.
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I still got a lot
of paisley shit,
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and it's all in
perfect condition.
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These are all
my stage clothes,
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and I only wore these, like,
once in a while,
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because when I used to play,
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I was saving them
for when I got big.
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And that never happened,
so I saved 'em forever.
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- So what are his prospects?
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Because he keeps giving me
these rosy scenarios,
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and I don't know
what to believe, you know?
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- What does he tell you,
specifically?
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- Well, like, one thing
I know is a delusion,
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is that he's going in
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame
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this year or next.
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I like him to have a dream,
though, you know?
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If he didn't have a dream,
he's liable to kill himself.
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- Are you really gonna do this
as a documentary?
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I could go out and play.
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- I get nervous.
You know what I mean?
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- Hmm?
- I get nervous that...
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- Everybody does.
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He does.
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They're afraid I'm gonna die.
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That's okay.
I won't.
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If you guys want me around,
I'll stick around.
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- Please.
- If you really do.
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I mean that in my heart.
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I mean, if you want me around,
I'll stick around.
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For just guys like you guys.
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- I was at a record show
with my girlfriend,
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and, um, I found, like, this-
all this rare stuff
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that I totally wanted.
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And then I was just looking
through one last bin...
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and I saw the original
Pentagram record.
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It was just a purple logo
against black.
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It kind of looks like garbage
on the front.
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You turn it around,
and there's this, like,
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scary-ass picture of the band.
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I was with my girlfriend
at the time,
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and we were just, like,
crazy record collectors
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and just go blow all our money
on records and beer
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and then just have, like,
Friday and Saturday night
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listening to records.
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Man, as soon as we put that
on the turntable,
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that's like nothing
I'd heard before.
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Really, I mean, it was just
so fucking heavy.
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This was the only Pentagram
that was released
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and the only one I knew of.
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I thought this was the beginning
of Pentagram.
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I was working
at an indie record label,
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and I was telling everybody
about it that I knew,
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and someone said,
"Oh, yeah, man.
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"I get stuff no one's even
heard about before,
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from the '70s,
heavy, hard rock. "
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I was like,
"Come on, how can this be?"
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I was obsessed with this band.
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So he brings in this CD-R.
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Here it is, man,
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a record that literally
changed my life.
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I couldn't wait, you know,
just to get out of work
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and go home and listen to it.
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At that point,
I was riding a bike to work,
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and I remember just riding home
as fast as I could, you know?
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Just like a little kid
from school.
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I rolled a joint-
it was a special occasion.
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I rolled a big joint.
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And that first song,
Forever My Queen,
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I mean,
just fucking phenomenal.
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- I couldn't believe it.
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Some of the best hard rock
I've ever heard.
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I mean, lyrically,
his vocal delivery.
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Just the guitar in it
was out of control.
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I mean, for the early '70s,
I couldn't believe it.
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And mostly,
not only was it brilliant,
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but aside from that, why doesn't
everyone talk about it?
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What's the equivalent
of hearing something like this
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for someone who's just obsessed
by music?
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It's a profession and their
passion and their private life.
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It's... it's hard to explain.
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It's literally like being
a devout Christian
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and walking down the street
one day and bumping into Jesus,
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and he knows your name
and shakes your hand
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and asks you over for dinner
and drinks.
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You know?
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And he calls you on the weekends
to go out.
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I mean,
I- I can't explain it.
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My whole life, I've just been
obsessed by music.
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It's all I wanted to do
with my life.
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And the only things
that made me truly happy
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were finding
an awesome record.
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I was just completely driven
and obsessed.
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I mean, I was completely
in love,
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and I just couldn't wait
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to make other people
fall in love with this.
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- It was the perfect time for
Bobby Liebling and Pentagram
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to kind of-
to be rediscovered.
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I wouldn't even say
they were a cult band.
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They were kind of a secret,
at that point.
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But then there was
all this interest
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in early '70s hard rock.
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There was a big
stoner-rock thing.
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There were a lot of bands
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that just wanted to get
that early '70s sound
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and then get back to the basics
in metal.
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All of a sudden,
there's this band.
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Oh, you know,
they have unlimited number
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of unreleased recordings
from the 1970s,
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and there hasn't been, like,
years and years
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of over-merchandising
or marketing
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or anything like that.
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It was just like
this caveman found, you know,
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frozen in the Swiss Alps
somewhere
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that you cut out the block
of ice and bring it out,
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and there's a specimen there
that still has active DNA.
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Bobby Liebling is still
that frozen guy.
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- If you see anything that says
Pentagram, like,
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Liebling, Pentagram,
blah-blah-blah project
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or any of that on the CDs,
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we will find, find for you guys,
'cause you must hear this.
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This is more important to me
than any other shit.
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That's why you must hear
the stuff.
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Hey, world premiere!
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VH1 in the trash heap.
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Oh, man, I know I'll play again.
I can't help it.
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Look, I'm addicted.
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You know, it's like heroin.
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I can get up there
and rock with the best of 'em.
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Cool E right here.
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- I thought he was very good
when he was younger.
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I don't-you know, I didn't go
to many of his shows.
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I didn't want to make him
uncomfortable,
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but he did have a-
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Would you please get...
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Thank you.
Excuse me.
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No, not just as a mother.
I was very critical of him.
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But I thought he had a-
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just a natural instinct
to perform.
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And you couldn't stop him,
even if we wanted to, you know?
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It was sort of inborn.
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- Far superior than
some of these real big bands
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that I've seen.
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Big guys
that are making millions.
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- Have you ever done anything
else besides rock and roll?
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- Nothin'.
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Yeah, this-
drugs.
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Sex, drugs,
rock and roll.
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Well, I mean, look at me.
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You know I'm an old soldier,
right?
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I've been doing drugs
44 years.
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I've been addicted to heroin
for 39.
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I've been addicted to crack
for about 22.
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I've been in off-houses,
detoxes.
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You know, that's why I smile
and tell people,
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"I'm alive, man. "
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I'm not supposed to be alive.
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Uh, did you see where
the piece of crack went?
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The big piece of crack?
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Oh, my God, look, there's-
oh, no, that's a Band-Aid.
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- No, I know.
It fell down into...
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- You saw it?
I mean, the place is a hellhole.
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It's a shit-hole.
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It's a sloth house,
and I hate it.
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That's why I want to get out,
man.
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I don't like dirt, see?
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- You want to get out?
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- Believe it or not, yeah.
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Fucking A.
I'm gonna get out.
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Are you kidding?
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That looks like rat poop.
It's not-
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- He's been close to death
ever since I've known him.
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I can't tell you
how many times
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I get a message that he leaves
in the middle of the night,
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saying good-bye.
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- He didn't live a hard life
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and then come back
and try and write love songs.
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He wrote songs from
the perspective of somebody
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that was metaphysically
in the sub-basement.
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He's used that to make very
harrowing, bone-chilling music.
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- Man, I remember sitting
at the side of a train track.
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This was, like, where I lived,
side of a train tracks.
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I found a boom box
in a dumpster,
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and the only tape I had
was Be Forewarned.
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He speaks truths that not many
people can see or know.
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It's pain,
and it's empowerment,
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and it's just all these things
in one, purely from the heart.
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It's almost like, on a smaller
scale, like my bible, you know?
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- The first time I ever saw
footage of Bobby,
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I never seen nothing like it.
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He definitely understood
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the seductive powers
of rock and roll, man,
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and he could just go from
this textbook rock-and-roll guy
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and then all of a sudden just
crouch down like the devil.
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You know, when you're a kid,
man,
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that's about the fucking coolest
thing you can see.
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So...
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- There's something about,
I guess, the mystique of Bobby.
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He just has that persona,
you know,
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and that charisma that people
just, like, latch on to.
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And then his drug addictions
and things like that,
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it's added to all that,
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but it's also a hell
for a lot of people
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who've played in bands with him
over the years.
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I mean, if you look on
the Pentagram Myspace site,
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on the left column,
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it's got all the prior members
of Pentagram,
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and it's, you know-
it's, like, a list that long.
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- The potential's there,
but, you know,
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there's certain personal things
in his life
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that are keeping him from
going all the way.
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- Even though I talked to him
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and seemed like
it was a dead end,
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the guy's got some kind of fight
in him.
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He's got a flame
that won't go out, man.
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I wanted to start a fire
with it, you know?
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So today we're headed down to,
uh, see Bobby.
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Um...
I have a toll coming up.
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Do you want to do this
after the toll?
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- Thank you.
- Thanks.
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So today I'm gonna go down.
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I have notes and an outline
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of what I think the plan
should be.
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And even if we get
a contract signed
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and it takes us forever
to start recording,
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shit can fall apart, man.
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So we really
got to fucking move on it
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and move on it fast
and make it happen.
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You know what, we're gonna get
a fucking record made.
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God damn it.
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I hope.
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Practically speaking,
the one thing I can do
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for Pentagram and Bobby
is give 'em good direction.
243
00:14:09,862 --> 00:14:11,159
And something I mentioned
to him,
244
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like, "Bobby, you know what?
245
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You're fucking almost dead, man.
Unfortunately, it sucks. "
246
00:14:15,034 --> 00:14:17,002
He tells me this
all the time.
247
00:14:17,036 --> 00:14:20,528
"So you got one more shot to
really make another big mark. "
248
00:14:20,573 --> 00:14:22,939
And that's what I really want
to help Bobby do.
249
00:14:22,975 --> 00:14:24,169
It just has to happen.
250
00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:27,202
There's got to be a final
finale chapter
251
00:14:27,246 --> 00:14:28,543
in the story
of Bobby Liebling.
252
00:14:30,683 --> 00:14:32,651
I really think that you guys
can do it
253
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and come back together
and do a great record.
254
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I haven't even started
255
00:14:38,991 --> 00:14:40,959
negotiating the contract yet
at all.
256
00:14:40,993 --> 00:14:42,790
It's just figuring out
if they're interested,
257
00:14:42,828 --> 00:14:44,227
figuring out what
they're willing to give
258
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for an advance.
259
00:14:45,665 --> 00:14:48,964
We also have to figure out
Geof and Greg or whatever-
260
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are willing to be
on the record.
261
00:14:51,070 --> 00:14:54,437
So part of the reason I want
to go with Housecore, dude,
262
00:14:54,473 --> 00:15:00,105
is, Philip is the contemporary
hard rock hero, right?
263
00:15:00,146 --> 00:15:02,080
You are the dude
from the past.
264
00:15:02,114 --> 00:15:04,981
He's gonna bring you
huge visibility.
265
00:15:05,017 --> 00:15:09,613
So what we need to do is,
we're gonna lay out a budget
266
00:15:09,655 --> 00:15:11,054
that we're all gonna
have to agree to
267
00:15:11,090 --> 00:15:13,991
and we're all gonna
have to stick to,
268
00:15:14,026 --> 00:15:17,018
and I want to see this shit
happen.
269
00:15:17,063 --> 00:15:18,496
I have too much time
invested in it
270
00:15:18,531 --> 00:15:21,523
to not even follow through
at this point.
271
00:15:21,567 --> 00:15:22,864
So what I'm gonna do is,
272
00:15:22,902 --> 00:15:25,029
I'm gonna record him
Backlash, Suffering,
273
00:15:25,071 --> 00:15:26,504
and Everything's
Turning To Night
274
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and hand it to him backstage
at the Down show.
275
00:15:30,142 --> 00:15:31,939
But the other thing is-
too is,
276
00:15:31,978 --> 00:15:36,074
it's my word
I'm giving to them, you know?
277
00:15:36,115 --> 00:15:37,514
Before all this happens,
278
00:15:40,586 --> 00:15:42,577
and we're gonna go with it.
279
00:15:42,622 --> 00:15:45,591
So this, what I'm handing you
is my final-
280
00:15:45,625 --> 00:15:47,957
my final effort
to fucking help you
281
00:15:47,994 --> 00:15:52,693
and try to fucking put a great
record on the history books.
282
00:15:52,732 --> 00:15:55,064
- You know what I want to do?
I want to live.
283
00:15:55,101 --> 00:15:56,534
I want to live a little, man.
284
00:15:56,569 --> 00:15:57,934
- Well, here's the thing.
285
00:15:57,970 --> 00:15:59,835
- I want to live.
I don't want to die anymore.
286
00:15:59,872 --> 00:16:01,669
- We do this record, bro, right?
287
00:16:01,707 --> 00:16:03,334
Hopefully, it'll help you
get out of here.
288
00:16:03,376 --> 00:16:05,810
We're gonna figure out what
we're gonna get for percentages,
289
00:16:05,845 --> 00:16:08,905
what your royalties
are gonna be, all that stuff.
290
00:16:08,948 --> 00:16:11,416
- I have to eat.
I have to make a living.
291
00:16:11,450 --> 00:16:12,712
I can't-I can't do this
292
00:16:12,752 --> 00:16:14,845
irresponsible, little,
crying child trick forever.
293
00:16:14,887 --> 00:16:16,115
I can't.
294
00:16:16,155 --> 00:16:19,386
I've been Peter Pan
my whole life, man.
295
00:16:19,425 --> 00:16:22,952
There's times
you do something.
296
00:16:22,995 --> 00:16:24,462
I want me back.
297
00:16:24,497 --> 00:16:27,864
I'm tired of giving me out
and giving up and running away.
298
00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:29,527
I run away with, you know,
299
00:16:29,568 --> 00:16:33,800
the old piece of glass,
you know?
300
00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:38,037
If I smoke any crack after
today, you can have my records.
301
00:16:38,077 --> 00:16:39,135
How about that?
302
00:16:39,178 --> 00:16:41,169
I'll put it on the camera.
303
00:16:41,213 --> 00:16:45,411
- "If Robert Liebling smokes
crack after today, 10/12/07,
304
00:16:45,451 --> 00:16:47,817
"Demian Fenton
and Sean Pelletier
305
00:16:47,853 --> 00:16:51,983
will own Robert Liebling's
entire record collection. "
306
00:16:52,024 --> 00:16:55,960
- Before you do it,
it should say "1 B."
307
00:16:55,995 --> 00:17:01,456
Possession should take place
only if, and after 9 days-
308
00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,162
90 days or whatever days,
you know-
309
00:17:04,203 --> 00:17:06,068
30 days, 60 days, 90 days.
310
00:17:06,105 --> 00:17:07,367
It's up to you.
I don't care.
311
00:17:07,406 --> 00:17:08,805
- We're not gonna take
your records.
312
00:17:08,841 --> 00:17:10,331
We just want you to stop
smoking crack.
313
00:17:10,376 --> 00:17:12,241
- Yeah, yeah.
- Sign this.
314
00:17:12,278 --> 00:17:13,745
- No, but, you should put...
315
00:17:13,779 --> 00:17:16,373
- Do you want me to hold
the crack when you sign that?
316
00:17:16,415 --> 00:17:17,848
- You know what I mean?
317
00:17:22,121 --> 00:17:23,520
- Throughout Pentagram's career,
318
00:17:23,556 --> 00:17:26,684
they've really come so close
to really making it.
319
00:17:26,726 --> 00:17:28,387
- Our manager at the time,
Gordon Fletcher,
320
00:17:28,427 --> 00:17:29,451
one of the two managers,
321
00:17:29,495 --> 00:17:31,019
knew a lot of people
in the business,
322
00:17:31,063 --> 00:17:34,658
and he knew Gene and Paul
in KISS.
323
00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:36,600
So we had this set up for them
324
00:17:36,635 --> 00:17:38,330
to come see
one of our rehearsals.
325
00:17:38,371 --> 00:17:42,808
- It was in a basement of
a house that I was living in.
326
00:17:42,842 --> 00:17:46,676
Wasn't really a heavy metal
studio, let's say.
327
00:17:46,712 --> 00:17:49,510
- The day that KISS
was going to be arriving,
328
00:17:49,548 --> 00:17:51,038
Greg and Vincent had to work,
329
00:17:51,083 --> 00:17:53,278
and they were working
as janitors.
330
00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:56,049
- So unfortunately, Vincent,
a brilliant guitar player,
331
00:17:56,088 --> 00:17:57,817
and Greg, heavier-than-hell
bass player,
332
00:17:57,857 --> 00:18:00,325
were off cleaning toilets.
333
00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,587
I don't know.
334
00:18:01,627 --> 00:18:03,094
If KISS was coming
to my house to watch my band,
335
00:18:03,129 --> 00:18:04,255
I would quit my fucking job.
336
00:18:04,296 --> 00:18:05,422
I wouldn't even go to-
337
00:18:05,464 --> 00:18:07,091
never mind going to work
that day.
338
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,167
- So Gene and Paul show up.
339
00:18:17,209 --> 00:18:18,836
Toilet boys are still at work.
340
00:18:18,878 --> 00:18:20,846
Not only were they off
cleaning toilets that day,
341
00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,543
but they hitchhiked to work.
342
00:18:24,583 --> 00:18:25,550
- They didn't have a car.
343
00:18:25,584 --> 00:18:27,074
They had to hitchhike home
344
00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,246
wearing some type
of janitor-type outfit.
345
00:18:31,424 --> 00:18:33,415
- I guess we got off work,
Vince and I did,
346
00:18:33,459 --> 00:18:35,120
and we got to the house.
347
00:18:35,161 --> 00:18:37,561
We're all grubby
from being janitors.
348
00:18:42,368 --> 00:18:45,098
- The landlord, who I guess
lived in the house,
349
00:18:45,137 --> 00:18:47,230
started bitching and complaining
that it was too loud
350
00:18:47,273 --> 00:18:48,365
and had to shut down.
351
00:18:48,407 --> 00:18:49,465
- Came running.
352
00:18:49,508 --> 00:18:51,601
"Man, you guys
got to turn it down!"
353
00:18:51,644 --> 00:18:54,943
And I'm like, "God damn it, man.
KISS is here," you know?
354
00:18:54,980 --> 00:18:57,346
- Fucking KISS is in the house
watching them play.
355
00:18:57,383 --> 00:18:59,681
You think they'd give
the landlord something.
356
00:18:59,718 --> 00:19:01,447
Some peanut butter sandwiches
and 25 bucks
357
00:19:01,487 --> 00:19:03,284
to fucking go away
for the day.
358
00:19:03,322 --> 00:19:08,954
But, you know, so it was just-
I guess it was just horrible.
359
00:19:08,994 --> 00:19:10,086
From what I hear, KISS,
360
00:19:10,129 --> 00:19:11,619
some of the things
they said are,
361
00:19:11,664 --> 00:19:14,224
"Well, your name's Pentagram.
There's only four of you.
362
00:19:14,266 --> 00:19:16,097
"The singer and the bass player
have bad skin.
363
00:19:16,135 --> 00:19:18,330
The drummer's too fat. "
364
00:19:18,370 --> 00:19:19,632
And they blew it.
365
00:19:19,672 --> 00:19:21,469
I mean, should have taken
the day off from work,
366
00:19:21,507 --> 00:19:23,202
fucking did a month of aerobics,
367
00:19:23,242 --> 00:19:25,540
fucking got some Oxy pads,
you know?
368
00:19:37,656 --> 00:19:39,180
- Should I pull 'em out?
369
00:19:42,194 --> 00:19:45,721
Some Enchanted Evening.
370
00:19:45,764 --> 00:19:49,461
My son has the platinum
Some Enchanted Evening.
371
00:19:49,502 --> 00:19:52,198
I'm told that
the Johnny Winter is platinum.
372
00:19:52,238 --> 00:19:54,433
I'm told that Blue Oyster Cult๏ฟฝs
first three records
373
00:19:54,473 --> 00:19:55,872
have gone gold,
374
00:19:55,908 --> 00:20:00,607
but Sony is too cheap
to send me gold records.
375
00:20:00,646 --> 00:20:02,341
Uh, this is...
376
00:20:02,381 --> 00:20:06,750
I had done at least a couple
of Blue Oyster Cult records.
377
00:20:06,785 --> 00:20:10,619
I was looking for the real thing
to follow Blue Oyster Cult.
378
00:20:12,224 --> 00:20:17,389
Pentagram really seemed like
sort of a street Black Sabbath.
379
00:20:17,429 --> 00:20:19,294
That was just what I was
looking for, you know?
380
00:20:19,331 --> 00:20:23,961
I wanted the male-dominant
thrust of heavy metal.
381
00:20:24,003 --> 00:20:26,563
But it sort of had a, "Fuck you
and the horse you rode in on"
382
00:20:26,605 --> 00:20:28,072
kind of thing.
383
00:20:28,107 --> 00:20:31,474
Post-Page, pre-Sex Pistols.
384
00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:34,035
It was almost as though
I'm sitting at a computer-
385
00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:35,808
if there were such things then-
386
00:20:35,848 --> 00:20:40,785
kind of generating this band
that was perfect for 1974.
387
00:20:40,819 --> 00:20:44,653
I was ready to seriously,
seriously commit to them.
388
00:20:48,594 --> 00:20:50,061
- Here was our big break.
389
00:20:50,095 --> 00:20:53,360
Columbia records is paying for
us to go do a demo in New York.
390
00:20:53,399 --> 00:20:55,993
- And, you know, we're
on the train to New York.
391
00:20:56,035 --> 00:20:58,595
Man, I'm seeing stars
in my eyes.
392
00:20:58,637 --> 00:21:00,696
- We went into the studio
and did three tracks
393
00:21:00,739 --> 00:21:03,207
with Murray Krugman
producing it.
394
00:21:03,242 --> 00:21:06,211
- We get through
all the rhythm tracks,
395
00:21:06,245 --> 00:21:09,043
and Bobby's laying down
the vocals.
396
00:21:09,081 --> 00:21:10,708
- Bobby completed
a vocal track,
397
00:21:10,749 --> 00:21:12,341
and Murray said,
"Okay, that's fine.
398
00:21:12,384 --> 00:21:13,851
Come in and listen to it. "
399
00:21:13,886 --> 00:21:16,081
And Bobby says, "I'd like to-
I'd like to redo that.
400
00:21:16,121 --> 00:21:19,147
There was a couple parts
I wasn't really happy with. "
401
00:21:19,191 --> 00:21:20,590
Murray says,
"Don't worry about it.
402
00:21:20,626 --> 00:21:22,651
We'll fix it in postproduction.
Just-it was fine. "
403
00:21:22,695 --> 00:21:24,219
- We could have corrected
that vocal,
404
00:21:24,263 --> 00:21:26,390
but there would have been
some other thing
405
00:21:26,432 --> 00:21:30,095
where he's hearing a finished
$200,000 record in his head
406
00:21:30,135 --> 00:21:34,868
and can't understand why
an eight-hour demo
407
00:21:34,907 --> 00:21:36,898
isn't gonna give that to him.
408
00:21:36,942 --> 00:21:39,843
- And Bobby got real upset
about it
409
00:21:39,878 --> 00:21:42,346
and called Gordon,
who was our manager,
410
00:21:42,381 --> 00:21:44,849
out into the singing booth.
411
00:21:44,883 --> 00:21:48,182
- "Gordon,
can I see you a minute?"
412
00:21:48,220 --> 00:21:50,188
Pain in the ass, I was.
413
00:21:50,222 --> 00:21:51,712
Called him out in the main room.
414
00:21:51,757 --> 00:21:56,660
Made sure I was by a live mic.
415
00:21:56,695 --> 00:22:00,791
I said, "What's this guy being
such a fucking asshole for?"
416
00:22:00,833 --> 00:22:02,630
- Murray just got up,
417
00:22:02,668 --> 00:22:05,136
and, as I recall,
he didn't say a word.
418
00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:06,535
Vincent thought
he said we were
419
00:22:06,572 --> 00:22:08,870
the most difficult band
to work with and walked out.
420
00:22:08,907 --> 00:22:10,636
I don't recall him saying
anything.
421
00:22:10,676 --> 00:22:13,008
I just recall him getting up
and walking out of the studio
422
00:22:13,045 --> 00:22:14,535
without saying a word.
423
00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:17,105
And we never talked to him
again.
424
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:20,141
- I felt like killing Bobby.
425
00:22:20,185 --> 00:22:21,652
- I've fantasized
many, many times
426
00:22:21,687 --> 00:22:24,781
if Bobby had just said,
"No problem," you know,
427
00:22:24,823 --> 00:22:28,088
and walked in and we'd listened
back to the session.
428
00:22:28,127 --> 00:22:29,890
What would have happened
the rest of that day?
429
00:22:29,928 --> 00:22:31,725
What would have happened
the rest of that week?
430
00:22:31,764 --> 00:22:35,325
And what would have happened
with the rest of our career?
431
00:22:35,367 --> 00:22:36,994
- We would have gotten a deal
through them.
432
00:22:37,036 --> 00:22:38,663
No question.
433
00:22:38,704 --> 00:22:42,902
Record deal, national tour,
fame, and fortune.
434
00:22:42,941 --> 00:22:46,672
It would have happened.
435
00:22:46,712 --> 00:22:50,842
There,
but for the grace of God.
436
00:23:02,027 --> 00:23:03,824
- I used to say to him,
437
00:23:03,862 --> 00:23:06,228
"When I see you
on Saturday Night Live,
438
00:23:06,265 --> 00:23:08,130
I'll know you made it. "
439
00:23:08,167 --> 00:23:10,658
And, you know,
I've seen some lousy acts.
440
00:23:10,703 --> 00:23:12,830
That shocks me.
441
00:23:12,871 --> 00:23:14,634
Bobby, Pellet's here.
442
00:23:14,673 --> 00:23:15,765
- He... he's here?
443
00:23:15,808 --> 00:23:17,537
- Yeah.
- Good lord.
444
00:23:17,576 --> 00:23:19,567
- Everybody in unison-
445
00:23:19,611 --> 00:23:21,602
I mean, total-
446
00:23:21,647 --> 00:23:22,807
"Move him out of your house. "
447
00:23:22,848 --> 00:23:24,645
- Everybody, everybody.
448
00:23:24,683 --> 00:23:26,412
I mean, to this day.
449
00:23:26,452 --> 00:23:28,579
There's always tons of laundry
around here.
450
00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:29,609
I don't know.
451
00:23:29,655 --> 00:23:31,213
He can change three times a day.
452
00:23:31,256 --> 00:23:33,486
He's already changed twice
today.
453
00:23:33,525 --> 00:23:35,117
He keeps spilling his coffee...
454
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,926
- Even now, everything that
he has comes from us.
455
00:23:38,964 --> 00:23:43,697
- How much have you given
for Bobby?
456
00:23:43,736 --> 00:23:46,569
- Financially?
457
00:23:46,605 --> 00:23:47,594
- I have...
458
00:23:47,639 --> 00:23:50,267
- Financially,
over $1 million.
459
00:23:52,611 --> 00:23:55,045
- Thanks, appreciate it.
460
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,308
- All right, good.
461
00:23:56,348 --> 00:23:59,146
Brush your hair?
462
00:23:59,184 --> 00:24:00,879
- There's Fig Newtons,
aren't there?
463
00:24:00,919 --> 00:24:02,045
Mom?
464
00:24:02,087 --> 00:24:03,520
There's Fig Newtons,
aren't there?
465
00:24:03,555 --> 00:24:04,522
Yeah.
466
00:24:04,556 --> 00:24:05,580
- I've always been afraid
467
00:24:05,624 --> 00:24:07,524
that he'd either go out
and steal
468
00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:09,049
or knock somebody.
469
00:24:09,094 --> 00:24:11,085
You don't know.
Addicts are crazy.
470
00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:12,256
- It's a very tough thing.
471
00:24:12,297 --> 00:24:14,094
They call us enablers.
472
00:24:14,133 --> 00:24:16,499
I said, "Really?
473
00:24:16,535 --> 00:24:18,594
"Did you ever see my son?
474
00:24:18,637 --> 00:24:20,127
Do you know him?"
475
00:24:20,172 --> 00:24:21,139
"No. "
476
00:24:21,173 --> 00:24:23,539
"And you're in
social services?
477
00:24:23,575 --> 00:24:28,137
Where is your sensitivity
to people?"
478
00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:30,740
His brilliance
in the music field
479
00:24:30,783 --> 00:24:34,810
has never been to fruition
because of the problem.
480
00:24:34,853 --> 00:24:37,617
He has all this talent now.
481
00:24:37,656 --> 00:24:39,089
- Yes, he still has talent.
482
00:24:39,124 --> 00:24:40,557
- He has it.
483
00:24:40,592 --> 00:24:43,686
- Do you guys think that Bobby
could stop doing drugs?
484
00:24:45,597 --> 00:24:49,124
- At this stage of the game,
of anybody, you know,
485
00:24:49,168 --> 00:24:50,260
it's a prognosis question.
486
00:24:50,302 --> 00:24:52,668
- Yes,
if he were out of pain.
487
00:24:52,704 --> 00:24:56,800
He's in a lot of pain that
people don't realize that.
488
00:24:56,842 --> 00:25:00,334
And he also has, truthfully,
a delusion
489
00:25:00,379 --> 00:25:03,974
that he has
a parasitic infection.
490
00:25:04,016 --> 00:25:11,115
Bobby's not insane, but he can
act insane with the coke.
491
00:25:11,156 --> 00:25:13,317
- My fingers turn black
every night.
492
00:25:13,358 --> 00:25:14,325
There, it's starting now.
493
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,156
That's not from the coke.
494
00:25:16,195 --> 00:25:18,720
That's all parasites.
495
00:25:18,764 --> 00:25:21,028
See those dots that look
like dots embedded?
496
00:25:21,066 --> 00:25:22,124
- Mm-hmm.
497
00:25:22,167 --> 00:25:24,635
- All of them.
498
00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:26,297
Did you see my lips?
499
00:25:26,338 --> 00:25:27,532
They're not chapped.
500
00:25:27,573 --> 00:25:29,473
Come here.
501
00:25:29,508 --> 00:25:30,805
See the line
along the bottom?
502
00:25:30,843 --> 00:25:32,777
- Mm-hmm.
- That's all parasites.
503
00:25:36,481 --> 00:25:38,278
See all that black?
504
00:25:38,317 --> 00:25:40,182
Those are all parasites.
505
00:25:40,219 --> 00:25:42,449
- Holy fuck, man.
- Yeah.
506
00:25:42,487 --> 00:25:44,318
- Never saw it, huh?
507
00:25:44,356 --> 00:25:49,020
15 years I've had to live
with that.
508
00:25:49,061 --> 00:25:52,690
- See, when he starts
pulling his skin,
509
00:25:52,731 --> 00:25:56,167
he does what he thinks-
he calls, "debriding. "
510
00:25:56,201 --> 00:25:57,668
He'll pull at it
511
00:25:57,703 --> 00:25:59,830
and put it on
a piece of paper towel
512
00:25:59,872 --> 00:26:01,897
and pull out
his magnifying glass,
513
00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:03,373
and he'll come-
514
00:26:03,408 --> 00:26:05,399
"You never want to look.
You never want to look. "
515
00:26:05,444 --> 00:26:09,005
I said, "I've spent 10,000 hours
looking, Bobby.
516
00:26:09,047 --> 00:26:11,811
It's not bugs.
It's dead skin. "
517
00:26:11,850 --> 00:26:14,819
If he didn't pick his arms,
518
00:26:14,853 --> 00:26:16,150
I know they'd heal,
519
00:26:16,188 --> 00:26:19,521
and I know
everything would be fine.
520
00:26:19,558 --> 00:26:20,650
- It's a fact.
521
00:26:20,692 --> 00:26:26,597
I have something unknown
that is parasitic.
522
00:26:26,632 --> 00:26:28,998
- Truth is that she said
you've been to the hospital
523
00:26:29,034 --> 00:26:30,592
about 50 times
since you lived here.
524
00:26:30,636 --> 00:26:32,069
- Mm-hmm.
525
00:26:32,104 --> 00:26:34,334
- We're gonna be there for
eight hours in the waiting room,
526
00:26:34,373 --> 00:26:36,068
and they're gonna let you out.
527
00:26:36,108 --> 00:26:40,067
Unless you go there and say
you want to go to detox,
528
00:26:40,112 --> 00:26:41,545
and then they'll admit you.
529
00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:44,344
- They're not gonna treat me
for this in detox.
530
00:26:44,383 --> 00:26:46,476
- I've watched you smoke
a fuckload of crack right now.
531
00:26:46,518 --> 00:26:47,815
- Mm-hmm.
- It's in your blood.
532
00:26:47,853 --> 00:26:49,377
- Mm-hmm.
- They're gonna get you in.
533
00:26:49,421 --> 00:26:51,321
Then once you're in there,
you're away from this,
534
00:26:51,356 --> 00:26:52,584
maybe you can heal more.
535
00:26:52,624 --> 00:26:54,421
- I want to go
to the hospital,
536
00:26:54,459 --> 00:26:58,361
not that I want to go
in rehab.
537
00:26:58,397 --> 00:27:00,331
I want to go to the hospital,
538
00:27:00,365 --> 00:27:03,129
because if I'm not treated
for this,
539
00:27:03,168 --> 00:27:05,659
I'm gonna die.
540
00:27:17,282 --> 00:27:19,250
It makes me nasty.
541
00:27:19,284 --> 00:27:22,117
It makes me confused.
542
00:27:22,154 --> 00:27:24,679
Probably 'cause it's eating
my organs away.
543
00:27:24,723 --> 00:27:29,888
Probably 'cause it is eating
my brain.
544
00:27:29,928 --> 00:27:32,453
All I do is cry all night
545
00:27:32,497 --> 00:27:35,227
and pray to God to die.
546
00:27:42,307 --> 00:27:45,470
- I've taken Bobby here
a few times.
547
00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:50,106
I know he's intent on getting
his hands and arms addressed
548
00:27:50,148 --> 00:27:53,515
and that rehab is
a secondary solution.
549
00:27:53,552 --> 00:27:56,646
And as far as what he was saying
30 minutes ago,
550
00:27:56,688 --> 00:28:00,715
suicide being
the third solution.
551
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,853
I don't-I wish he wasn't
going through any of this,
552
00:28:03,895 --> 00:28:06,386
but there's nothing
that I can do
553
00:28:06,431 --> 00:28:09,889
except just support him,
you know?
554
00:28:09,935 --> 00:28:11,698
You know, Bobby would be
the first to tell you,
555
00:28:11,737 --> 00:28:13,034
years back,
556
00:28:13,071 --> 00:28:15,005
he kind of made that deal
with the devil, right?
557
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,065
He kind of sold his soul,
558
00:28:17,109 --> 00:28:18,940
and he's fighting like hell
to steal it back
559
00:28:18,977 --> 00:28:22,413
one piece at a time.
560
00:28:22,447 --> 00:28:24,312
- So what are they gonna do?
561
00:28:29,821 --> 00:28:31,982
'Cause I feel comfortable
in these places
562
00:28:32,024 --> 00:28:34,584
more than I do
in my own home.
563
00:28:34,626 --> 00:28:36,116
I like hospitals.
564
00:28:36,161 --> 00:28:39,358
That's sick,
but I love hospitals.
565
00:28:39,398 --> 00:28:42,890
Pellet has been-
has been like a god to me.
566
00:28:42,934 --> 00:28:44,401
He's basically a godsend.
567
00:28:44,436 --> 00:28:45,869
I love him.
I love all you guys.
568
00:28:45,904 --> 00:28:48,498
You know, for coming here.
569
00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:50,770
Thank you very, very much.
570
00:28:56,048 --> 00:28:59,017
- On Sundays, we'd take him
to this little deli,
571
00:28:59,051 --> 00:29:01,417
and they had a jukebox.
572
00:29:01,453 --> 00:29:04,183
There, he was only
a year and a half there.
573
00:29:04,222 --> 00:29:06,349
So he'd go over there
and bounce to it,
574
00:29:06,391 --> 00:29:07,790
and he'd turn around.
575
00:29:10,829 --> 00:29:13,923
He sang Tennessee Ernie Ford.
576
00:29:13,965 --> 00:29:19,426
And everybody, "Look at that
little boy," you know?
577
00:29:19,471 --> 00:29:21,769
He had quite a good childhood.
578
00:29:21,807 --> 00:29:24,708
- He had an excellent childhood.
579
00:29:24,743 --> 00:29:28,042
- Later teens, he used to walk
in the door.
580
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,742
He'd step in that door
right away.
581
00:29:30,782 --> 00:29:33,250
Before he even saw him,
he'd yell out,
582
00:29:33,285 --> 00:29:35,116
"Did you cut your hair?"
583
00:29:35,153 --> 00:29:37,747
That was, I mean, every night.
584
00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:40,917
That's when they kind of had
a little parting,
585
00:29:40,959 --> 00:29:45,191
because of his hair
and lifestyle and so forth.
586
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:49,758
A lot of Bobby's problems
I believe, subconsciously,
587
00:29:49,801 --> 00:29:54,829
is an innate competitive thing
with his father.
588
00:29:54,873 --> 00:29:57,364
- I think she's right.
She's right in that.
589
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:59,536
She's right in that.
590
00:29:59,578 --> 00:30:02,945
I worked for eight
secretaries of defense.
591
00:30:02,981 --> 00:30:05,711
Originally appointed by
President Johnson,
592
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:12,053
kept on by Nixon
and by President Ford.
593
00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:16,459
Where the hell
did you find that?
594
00:30:16,495 --> 00:30:20,056
I always looked up to people
595
00:30:20,098 --> 00:30:24,091
who were in our society.
596
00:30:24,136 --> 00:30:27,799
Very, very responsible.
597
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:33,209
And I want my son
to have been like that.
598
00:30:33,245 --> 00:30:34,337
- Joe,
but he's not.
599
00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:36,643
- I can't do anything
about it now.
600
00:30:40,418 --> 00:30:43,478
- What I want for Bobby,
just for him to be happy.
601
00:30:43,522 --> 00:30:44,580
- Just for him to be-
602
00:30:44,623 --> 00:30:46,853
- To find a good woman.
603
00:30:46,892 --> 00:30:48,553
- Two different categories.
604
00:30:48,593 --> 00:30:50,254
- Why?
He needs that, Joe.
605
00:30:50,295 --> 00:30:52,923
- I just want him to be well.
606
00:30:52,964 --> 00:30:55,524
Within the range of normalcy.
607
00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:58,502
With that, of course,
goes then to societal things
608
00:30:58,537 --> 00:31:00,164
that she's talking about.
609
00:31:18,123 --> 00:31:20,353
- To play the next message,
press one.
610
00:31:21,526 --> 00:31:22,857
- Hey, Dem.
It's Pellet.
611
00:31:22,894 --> 00:31:24,452
Listen, I'm just giving you
a quick call.
612
00:31:24,496 --> 00:31:25,758
I finally heard from Bobby
613
00:31:25,797 --> 00:31:28,960
after weeks of him being
missing in action.
614
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,025
He's been in Philadelphia,
of all places.
615
00:31:31,069 --> 00:31:34,835
Dude, he met some
young hot girl named Hallie,
616
00:31:34,873 --> 00:31:37,171
and he's been up here
spending time with her.
617
00:31:37,209 --> 00:31:39,507
She supposedly is not
a drug addict.
618
00:31:39,544 --> 00:31:40,909
I'm not sure
what the whole deal is,
619
00:31:40,946 --> 00:31:43,005
but I just thought
I'd tell you.
620
00:31:43,048 --> 00:31:45,141
It looks llike there's gonna
be some forward motion,
621
00:31:45,183 --> 00:31:46,810
'cause he's psyched
and really positive.
622
00:31:46,851 --> 00:31:48,284
Give me a call
when you get this, okay?
623
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,844
See ya.
624
00:31:49,888 --> 00:31:51,719
- This message will be saved.
625
00:31:56,161 --> 00:31:59,187
- The way he met her,
from what I understand, is,
626
00:31:59,231 --> 00:32:00,357
she was a fan.
627
00:32:00,398 --> 00:32:02,389
They were speaking on the phone
quite a bit,
628
00:32:02,434 --> 00:32:05,164
so she came one time
with her cousin.
629
00:32:05,203 --> 00:32:08,969
Then a couple of weeks later,
she invited him to visit.
630
00:32:09,007 --> 00:32:10,474
And that's how it started.
631
00:32:10,508 --> 00:32:14,000
He's been going to Philly
nearly every weekend.
632
00:32:14,045 --> 00:32:20,507
Do you have an elevator
at 201 South 13th?
633
00:32:20,552 --> 00:32:24,716
He got an apartment-we got him
an apartment, I should say-
634
00:32:24,756 --> 00:32:28,556
in Philadelphia,
just a few blocks from her.
635
00:32:28,593 --> 00:32:31,118
So he'll have to come in
through the front?
636
00:32:31,162 --> 00:32:35,121
Is it wide?
Because he has a very wide sofa.
637
00:32:35,166 --> 00:32:37,657
Apparently, they're in love.
638
00:32:37,702 --> 00:32:39,636
Or whatever, you know?
639
00:32:41,139 --> 00:32:43,107
I don't know if it's-
I shouldn't say this-
640
00:32:43,141 --> 00:32:44,665
in love or in lust,
but...
641
00:33:03,728 --> 00:33:05,855
- Yeah, I was very, very lonely
down here for a long time,
642
00:33:05,897 --> 00:33:08,957
but, uh,
I'm not lonely anymore
643
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,027
because I have a-
very much a purpose, you know?
644
00:33:13,071 --> 00:33:16,097
Perfect time to meet Hallie.
645
00:33:16,141 --> 00:33:18,974
About time somebody loved Bob
for Bob again.
646
00:33:19,010 --> 00:33:22,844
There's been nobody a long time
who's loved Bob for Bob.
647
00:33:22,881 --> 00:33:25,213
Nobody loves me like Hallie.
Nobody.
648
00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:28,048
I've never loved a woman
like Hallie in my life.
649
00:33:28,086 --> 00:33:31,715
Never in my life
and never will again.
650
00:33:31,756 --> 00:33:33,553
- He's got to take
winter boots.
651
00:33:33,591 --> 00:33:35,491
I don't care what he says.
652
00:33:35,527 --> 00:33:36,494
Are they that bad?
653
00:33:36,528 --> 00:33:38,689
They're dorky, he says.
654
00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:40,197
Just for the snow.
655
00:33:40,231 --> 00:33:42,791
Are they that dorky?
656
00:33:42,834 --> 00:33:44,665
Huh?
657
00:33:49,274 --> 00:33:51,936
Tell him he needs some lamps.
658
00:33:51,976 --> 00:33:53,136
- I got everything like that.
659
00:33:53,178 --> 00:33:55,373
- You got the coconut oil.
660
00:33:55,413 --> 00:33:58,280
- Don't worry about that.
661
00:33:58,316 --> 00:33:59,408
- All right, where is it?
662
00:34:15,667 --> 00:34:17,498
- You know that fire
that just started?
663
00:34:17,535 --> 00:34:20,163
Right as the flames
hit the stove,
664
00:34:20,205 --> 00:34:23,800
this fell off Bob's neck.
665
00:34:23,842 --> 00:34:26,242
Now, how fucking weird is that?
666
00:34:26,277 --> 00:34:27,801
That's weird.
667
00:34:27,846 --> 00:34:28,904
'Cause you were here-
668
00:34:28,947 --> 00:34:30,938
Them flames came out of nowhere,
right?
669
00:34:30,982 --> 00:34:32,677
Out of fucking nowhere.
670
00:34:32,717 --> 00:34:35,777
This popped right off his neck
right as the fire started.
671
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:37,378
Do the math.
672
00:34:39,791 --> 00:34:41,224
One bad omen after another,
dude.
673
00:34:41,259 --> 00:34:42,851
I don't know.
674
00:34:42,894 --> 00:34:46,694
I think Bobby
might just be back.
675
00:34:46,731 --> 00:34:48,494
I hope this girl is everything
he thinks, man.
676
00:34:48,533 --> 00:34:49,693
I don't know her.
677
00:34:49,734 --> 00:34:51,031
Yeah, I hope it works out.
678
00:34:51,069 --> 00:34:55,972
But between the cross breaking
and the fire, the snow,
679
00:34:56,007 --> 00:34:58,669
fucking...
I'm starting to wonder, man.
680
00:35:04,048 --> 00:35:06,983
- All right,
I'll see you later.
681
00:35:07,018 --> 00:35:08,178
- Good luck.
- Wish me luck.
682
00:35:08,219 --> 00:35:10,949
- Make it.
- Yeah, I'm gonna make it.
683
00:35:10,989 --> 00:35:13,787
There ain't no question
about that.
684
00:35:13,825 --> 00:35:16,293
- Are you boxed in?
685
00:35:18,263 --> 00:35:19,525
- We'll see you again,
all right?
686
00:35:19,564 --> 00:35:21,794
- Drive careful.
- Love you!
687
00:35:27,972 --> 00:35:31,464
- Oh, boy.
688
00:35:31,509 --> 00:35:34,603
I just hope he's happy,
that's all.
689
00:35:34,646 --> 00:35:37,672
Hope he's happy.
690
00:36:00,071 --> 00:36:02,096
- So today is Bobby's birthday.
691
00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:03,300
He loves carrot cake.
692
00:36:03,341 --> 00:36:06,936
He gets an annual carrot cake
every year.
693
00:36:06,978 --> 00:36:09,139
There's no room to write,
"Happy birthday, Bobby"
694
00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:11,307
without interfering
with the carrot symmetry,
695
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:13,977
so we're just gonna go with
a Pentagram
696
00:36:14,018 --> 00:36:16,612
with maybe a 54 in the middle.
697
00:36:16,654 --> 00:36:18,918
I guess, uh,
I get a little leeway
698
00:36:18,957 --> 00:36:21,482
since I'm not a decorator.
699
00:36:21,526 --> 00:36:23,824
- I think 54's not that old.
- Huh?
700
00:36:23,862 --> 00:36:25,352
- 54's not that old.
701
00:36:25,396 --> 00:36:26,658
- No, I don't know, is it?
702
00:36:26,698 --> 00:36:28,165
- I mean, it's old.
703
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:29,257
Get out of here!
704
00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:31,029
- But it's not that old.
705
00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:34,061
At first glance, when people see
me and Bobby
706
00:36:34,105 --> 00:36:35,629
walking down the street
together,
707
00:36:35,673 --> 00:36:38,141
they either think,
A, he's my father,
708
00:36:38,176 --> 00:36:40,144
or, B,
he's my sugar daddy
709
00:36:40,178 --> 00:36:42,646
or, you know, a pimp
or something like that.
710
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,410
But he's an endearing person,
711
00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:48,783
and I'm certainly not in it
for the money,
712
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:50,515
because he has none.
713
00:36:50,555 --> 00:36:54,116
And I just-
I enjoy his company.
714
00:36:54,158 --> 00:36:57,753
I feel very kindred to him,
regardless of the age gap.
715
00:36:57,795 --> 00:36:59,956
My cousin and I had a theory
that he and his mother
716
00:36:59,998 --> 00:37:01,397
were the same person,
717
00:37:01,432 --> 00:37:03,832
like an Anthony Perkins,
like, Psycho sort of thing.
718
00:37:03,868 --> 00:37:05,733
You're gonna have us, like,
locked in a closet
719
00:37:05,770 --> 00:37:09,570
with your mother's corpse.
720
00:37:09,607 --> 00:37:11,541
I don't find that I have
anything in common
721
00:37:11,576 --> 00:37:13,100
with guys my age.
722
00:37:13,144 --> 00:37:15,704
I've always liked,
since I was young,
723
00:37:15,747 --> 00:37:18,477
in terms of looks,
724
00:37:18,516 --> 00:37:20,507
guys that have, you know,
goofy features,
725
00:37:20,552 --> 00:37:21,576
like caricature features,
726
00:37:21,619 --> 00:37:24,713
and I just have an odd taste
in men.
727
00:37:24,756 --> 00:37:25,780
That's just the way it is.
728
00:37:25,823 --> 00:37:27,313
- All right, Bobby!
729
00:37:27,358 --> 00:37:29,087
- Who bought the candles?
730
00:37:29,127 --> 00:37:31,186
It has a freaking pentagram
on it.
731
00:37:31,229 --> 00:37:33,254
No, wait, hold on-
732
00:37:33,298 --> 00:37:35,061
The change is pretty massive.
733
00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:39,866
To my understanding, he was
smoking toxic amounts of crack.
734
00:37:39,904 --> 00:37:41,394
- Make a wish.
735
00:37:41,439 --> 00:37:43,566
- He went from that to this
736
00:37:43,608 --> 00:37:46,702
and has smoked no crack
since he moved to Philly.
737
00:37:46,744 --> 00:37:48,075
- Whoo!
738
00:37:52,116 --> 00:37:55,882
- He's been through
so much more life than me.
739
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,615
But it's the kind of,
like, life
740
00:37:57,655 --> 00:37:59,850
where you don't really grow
as a person.
741
00:37:59,891 --> 00:38:03,019
He's kind of remained
frozen in time, a little bit,
742
00:38:03,061 --> 00:38:05,052
and I kind of like that
about him.
743
00:38:05,096 --> 00:38:07,064
I mean, in his heart, too,
744
00:38:07,098 --> 00:38:08,929
he'll always be young,
I think.
745
00:38:08,967 --> 00:38:10,628
You look good in those pants.
746
00:38:10,668 --> 00:38:12,260
He looks pretty.
747
00:38:12,303 --> 00:38:15,238
- Long as she can say that,
that's okay by me, baby.
748
00:38:15,273 --> 00:38:17,002
I'm doing all right then.
749
00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:18,201
Now I'm still here.
750
00:38:18,242 --> 00:38:20,710
If I can have someone
as beautiful as this
751
00:38:20,745 --> 00:38:22,508
say I'm pretty,
752
00:38:22,547 --> 00:38:26,108
something's happening here.
753
00:38:33,257 --> 00:38:35,817
- And now it's so crazy
watching, you know, him
754
00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:38,420
in this short amount of time
755
00:38:38,463 --> 00:38:41,523
grow up
and make up for the time
756
00:38:41,566 --> 00:38:44,626
where his growth was, like,
really stunted.
757
00:38:44,669 --> 00:38:48,161
Stuff where he would have
no clue what to do before,
758
00:38:48,206 --> 00:38:51,539
like his debit card,
checking account,
759
00:38:51,576 --> 00:38:53,066
the social security card,
760
00:38:53,111 --> 00:38:56,103
he doesn't have a problem
with that stuff anymore.
761
00:38:56,147 --> 00:38:58,172
He's gotten the hang of it.
762
00:38:58,216 --> 00:39:00,980
- I don't miss him.
I really don't.
763
00:39:01,019 --> 00:39:03,954
There's a nice sense of peace
now.
764
00:39:03,988 --> 00:39:05,216
- I do, a great deal.
765
00:39:05,256 --> 00:39:06,951
- He misses him terribly.
766
00:39:06,991 --> 00:39:08,925
- A great deal.
767
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,192
The fact that he is using
whatever strength he has left
768
00:39:13,231 --> 00:39:17,861
to preserve whatever
self-confidence he has
769
00:39:17,902 --> 00:39:21,360
is something
that I am proud of.
770
00:39:21,406 --> 00:39:26,810
He commented on the phone for
the first time today, actually,
771
00:39:26,844 --> 00:39:29,176
"I love you, Dad. "
772
00:39:29,213 --> 00:39:31,909
- It's amazing,
the transformation in this guy.
773
00:39:31,949 --> 00:39:33,940
He looks good.
He sounds good.
774
00:39:33,985 --> 00:39:36,977
It's the person I thought
or hoped I'd be dealing with
775
00:39:37,021 --> 00:39:39,489
from the get-go.
776
00:39:39,524 --> 00:39:41,651
He's been jamming with
other musicians.
777
00:39:41,693 --> 00:39:43,251
He just seems kind of
more focused
778
00:39:43,294 --> 00:39:45,956
and definitely more in touch
with music lately.
779
00:39:45,997 --> 00:39:47,521
- The Hallie situation,
780
00:39:47,565 --> 00:39:49,430
I hate to talk so much
about it,
781
00:39:49,467 --> 00:39:54,700
but it is really that integral
in my life.
782
00:39:54,739 --> 00:39:57,435
Hallie Liebling.
783
00:39:57,475 --> 00:40:01,809
I got mad love
for Hallie Liebling.
784
00:40:01,846 --> 00:40:04,644
Yep.
She's gonna be my Liebling.
785
00:40:04,682 --> 00:40:06,479
She's my little Liebling.
786
00:40:16,127 --> 00:40:18,391
- We're about three hours and
45 minutes from Los Angeles.
787
00:40:18,429 --> 00:40:20,522
Finally going to meet
the infamous Geof O'Keefe
788
00:40:20,565 --> 00:40:21,759
after talking to him for-
789
00:40:21,799 --> 00:40:24,996
gosh, I don't know,
71/2 years now?
790
00:40:25,036 --> 00:40:26,094
When you're in a record store
791
00:40:26,137 --> 00:40:28,105
and you pick up that record,
man,
792
00:40:28,139 --> 00:40:29,902
you just almost don't know
what you're in for.
793
00:40:29,941 --> 00:40:32,136
Not only is it a journey
of the mind,
794
00:40:32,176 --> 00:40:34,974
but sometimes
it's a real exodus, man.
795
00:40:37,381 --> 00:40:38,871
I fell in love with this band,
796
00:40:38,916 --> 00:40:42,215
and now I feel like I'm kind of
becoming part of the story.
797
00:40:42,253 --> 00:40:43,618
It's a friggin' honor.
798
00:40:43,654 --> 00:40:45,622
I wouldn't trade it
for anything in the world.
799
00:40:45,656 --> 00:40:48,454
Bobby makes my fucking hair
fall out.
800
00:40:48,493 --> 00:40:50,393
I'm telling you, dude.
801
00:40:50,428 --> 00:40:52,953
But at the end of the day, it's
gonna be worth it, you know?
802
00:40:52,997 --> 00:40:54,464
It really is.
803
00:40:54,499 --> 00:40:55,693
Fucking psyched.
804
00:40:55,733 --> 00:40:57,598
People are gonna be able to dig
a new record, man.
805
00:40:57,635 --> 00:40:59,432
That's kick-ass enough for me.
806
00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:01,062
Geof is such an important part
807
00:41:01,105 --> 00:41:02,800
of the formation
of this awesome band.
808
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,741
I'm hoping we really get Geof
excited about it as well,
809
00:41:05,777 --> 00:41:09,941
and he's willing to,
you know, deal with Bobby
810
00:41:09,981 --> 00:41:11,243
and forget about the past
811
00:41:11,282 --> 00:41:13,477
or deal with some of the
bullshit for the greater good,
812
00:41:13,518 --> 00:41:15,952
which is gonna be an awesome
new Pentagram record
813
00:41:15,987 --> 00:41:17,921
from the-with the original
members, you know?
814
00:41:17,955 --> 00:41:19,081
And new members too.
815
00:41:44,615 --> 00:41:46,014
- "Pentagram has not only
developed
816
00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:48,211
"a small but faithful following
in the Washington area,
817
00:41:48,252 --> 00:41:50,550
but major record companies
have also taken an interest. "
818
00:41:50,588 --> 00:41:52,783
Well...
819
00:41:52,824 --> 00:41:56,191
Think it was a bar of soap from
Ramada Inn, New York City
820
00:41:56,227 --> 00:41:58,821
when we did that
Columbia Records session.
821
00:41:58,863 --> 00:42:00,455
So I'm guessing...
822
00:42:00,498 --> 00:42:01,726
- Yeah, it smells like failure.
823
00:42:01,766 --> 00:42:04,826
Oh, man.
824
00:42:04,869 --> 00:42:06,598
Bobby and my special project,
825
00:42:06,637 --> 00:42:09,731
The Douche Bags
by The Douche Bags.
826
00:42:09,774 --> 00:42:11,503
- "A friend told me he heard
from a connection
827
00:42:11,542 --> 00:42:14,670
"that Bobby left and Pentagram
now has a female singer.
828
00:42:14,712 --> 00:42:16,839
"If this is true,
I'm doomed.
829
00:42:16,881 --> 00:42:18,781
"It seems unlikely,
but anything's possible.
830
00:42:18,816 --> 00:42:20,249
Christ, I got to know. "
831
00:42:20,284 --> 00:42:21,808
- "These two talented musicians
make up
832
00:42:21,853 --> 00:42:24,219
"one of the most successful
and popular bands today.
833
00:42:24,255 --> 00:42:25,381
"Between the two of them,
834
00:42:25,423 --> 00:42:26,981
"they play a wide range
of instruments:
835
00:42:27,024 --> 00:42:29,515
bass, lead guitar, drums,
female organ, and leslies. "
836
00:42:30,761 --> 00:42:32,422
"We'd like to wreak metal havoc
in Britain.
837
00:42:32,463 --> 00:42:33,589
"The only problem so far is,
838
00:42:33,631 --> 00:42:36,031
we can't get out
of Washington. "
839
00:42:36,067 --> 00:42:38,092
- "Pentagram closed the show
with a nightcap.
840
00:42:38,135 --> 00:42:40,126
"Any finesse got crushed
and pushed aside
841
00:42:40,171 --> 00:42:42,901
by a boring tidal wave
of sound. "
842
00:42:44,775 --> 00:42:47,642
Well, this just shows
where things had ended.
843
00:42:47,678 --> 00:42:49,168
December '76.
844
00:42:49,213 --> 00:42:50,612
"Singer wanted.
845
00:42:50,648 --> 00:42:51,774
"Former members of Pentagram
846
00:42:51,816 --> 00:42:53,943
"require a singer
of professional caliber
847
00:42:53,985 --> 00:42:56,351
"in the David Coverdale/
Paul Rodgers mold.
848
00:42:56,387 --> 00:42:59,356
We do not want a singer
with an ego problem. "
849
00:43:02,326 --> 00:43:06,786
I met Bobby Liebling
in probably 1967, '68.
850
00:43:06,831 --> 00:43:09,026
I noticed that he was carrying
record albums with him
851
00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:10,658
a lot of times
on the school bus,
852
00:43:10,701 --> 00:43:14,933
and I was just starting
to get into cool music.
853
00:43:14,972 --> 00:43:17,805
He was playing in a band at the
time called Shades of Darkness.
854
00:43:17,842 --> 00:43:20,276
He was doing stuff that I was
only dreaming about-
855
00:43:20,311 --> 00:43:24,748
playing in bands and going out
with girls and all this stuff.
856
00:43:24,782 --> 00:43:28,878
So I really kind of idolized
this guy.
857
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,047
Coming out of the psychedelic
hippie '60s
858
00:43:31,088 --> 00:43:32,316
and going into the '70s,
859
00:43:32,356 --> 00:43:35,018
it was really a sense
of artistic freedom,
860
00:43:35,059 --> 00:43:36,219
like there were no boundaries.
861
00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:37,420
We could do what we wanted,
862
00:43:37,461 --> 00:43:40,897
wanting to make music
and make movies.
863
00:43:40,932 --> 00:43:42,991
We weren't conscious of being
in any type
864
00:43:43,034 --> 00:43:45,298
of situation
or artistic environment.
865
00:43:45,336 --> 00:43:47,827
We just knew we wanted to do
what we wanted to do.
866
00:43:51,943 --> 00:43:53,706
I have really good memories
of Bobby
867
00:43:53,744 --> 00:43:56,770
from a certain period of time
to a certain period of time.
868
00:43:56,814 --> 00:43:58,406
And then bad things started
to happen,
869
00:43:58,449 --> 00:44:00,417
and there was a few years
of that,
870
00:44:00,451 --> 00:44:01,748
and eventually
I just decided,
871
00:44:01,786 --> 00:44:03,083
"I don't want any part
of this. "
872
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,088
There was just
too much negativity to-
873
00:44:05,122 --> 00:44:08,353
outweighing the positive,
you know?
874
00:44:08,392 --> 00:44:11,259
Things got so bad
with the relationship
875
00:44:11,295 --> 00:44:14,662
between our managers,
Skip and Tom.
876
00:44:14,699 --> 00:44:16,690
And the band wanted to know
what was going on
877
00:44:16,734 --> 00:44:18,224
because they were still
our managers,
878
00:44:18,269 --> 00:44:20,260
so Skip said,
"Well, you can interview me,
879
00:44:20,304 --> 00:44:22,169
"but just, you know,
write down the questions
880
00:44:22,206 --> 00:44:23,798
"and come out
with your tape recorder,
881
00:44:23,841 --> 00:44:27,072
and I'll record the answers
onto a tape recorder. "
882
00:44:27,111 --> 00:44:28,635
- One, two, three, four.
883
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:30,544
- Skip basically didn't want
to be around Bobby.
884
00:44:30,581 --> 00:44:32,412
So we had to conduct
our band interview
885
00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:34,543
with our own manager by tape.
886
00:44:34,585 --> 00:44:36,746
- How do you expect to promote
the single wholeheartedly
887
00:44:36,787 --> 00:44:39,847
when you won't even meet with
the band you're producing?
888
00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:41,255
Skip?
889
00:44:41,292 --> 00:44:43,123
- First of all, I don't expect
to promote...
890
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,718
- Bobby's very driven
with what-
891
00:44:44,762 --> 00:44:48,027
and very passionate about
his music, and that's good.
892
00:44:48,065 --> 00:44:50,192
But I have a feeling that
over the years
893
00:44:50,234 --> 00:44:53,965
that's been, you know-
one of Bobby's main problems is
894
00:44:54,005 --> 00:44:55,438
the freedom of Bobby
doing nothing
895
00:44:55,473 --> 00:44:57,634
except sex, drugs,
rock and roll.
896
00:44:57,675 --> 00:45:01,338
I mean, that is it
to a tee.
897
00:45:01,379 --> 00:45:02,676
And I realize
some people say,
898
00:45:02,713 --> 00:45:05,011
from an artistic standpoint,
"Bravo", you know?
899
00:45:05,049 --> 00:45:06,949
"You've got your vision.
You're sticking to it. "
900
00:45:06,984 --> 00:45:08,474
On the other hand,
you know,
901
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:10,851
everyone that's been with you
has walked away over the years
902
00:45:10,888 --> 00:45:12,253
or fled in terror
903
00:45:12,289 --> 00:45:14,655
because they realize you're not
ever gonna compromise
904
00:45:14,692 --> 00:45:17,855
or, you know, cooperate.
905
00:45:17,895 --> 00:45:21,331
I haven't talked to Bobby
in over 20 years.
906
00:45:21,365 --> 00:45:23,595
It would be really cool
to go into the studio with Bobby
907
00:45:23,634 --> 00:45:25,625
and do a real album
for the first time,
908
00:45:25,669 --> 00:45:27,899
rerecord some old stuff,
write some new stuff.
909
00:45:27,938 --> 00:45:29,166
'Cause I'm proud of that stuff.
910
00:45:29,206 --> 00:45:30,366
And if, 30 years later,
911
00:45:30,408 --> 00:45:32,069
people are finally discovering
that music
912
00:45:32,109 --> 00:45:34,737
and, you know, posting things
online about,
913
00:45:34,779 --> 00:45:35,905
"Oh, this band is so amazing.
914
00:45:35,946 --> 00:45:37,709
This drummer kicks ass,"
and stuff like that.
915
00:45:37,748 --> 00:45:39,773
When I read stuff like that,
it's like, "Wow, really?
916
00:45:39,817 --> 00:45:41,341
Thank you. "
917
00:45:41,385 --> 00:45:44,115
On the other hand, everyone who
tries to do this with Bobby
918
00:45:44,155 --> 00:45:45,747
winds up getting crapped on.
919
00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:49,157
It winds up being a disaster
of mega proportions
920
00:45:49,193 --> 00:45:53,186
because Bobby will do something
to screw it up.
921
00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:55,630
I don't want to go do something
that's a high publicity thing
922
00:45:55,666 --> 00:45:59,261
and have it fall apart
and be a laughingstock.
923
00:45:59,303 --> 00:46:01,294
I don't want to do it.
924
00:46:08,979 --> 00:46:10,947
- She hasn't called me.
925
00:46:10,981 --> 00:46:14,439
You know,
got 17 minutes left.
926
00:46:14,485 --> 00:46:16,578
I can't-
my phone's gonna run out.
927
00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:19,612
I got...
928
00:46:19,657 --> 00:46:21,022
- Your call cannot be
completed...
929
00:46:21,058 --> 00:46:24,323
- My call can't be completed
as dialed.
930
00:46:24,361 --> 00:46:27,694
Come on, please answer,
honey.
931
00:46:30,367 --> 00:46:31,800
The thing that people
don't realize
932
00:46:31,836 --> 00:46:35,602
is that Mr. Evil-
whoo!
933
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:39,803
Pentagram, dih-dih-dih-dih,
yadda, yadda, yadda.
934
00:46:39,844 --> 00:46:42,210
Man, under this shell,
935
00:46:42,246 --> 00:46:44,612
and this put-on,
936
00:46:44,648 --> 00:46:46,582
all I want to do is eat,
937
00:46:46,617 --> 00:46:49,450
take care of my loving
other half
938
00:46:49,487 --> 00:46:51,614
in a bed that's comfortable,
939
00:46:51,655 --> 00:46:53,452
next to a warm soul
940
00:46:53,491 --> 00:46:56,051
that I can give my soul to,
941
00:46:56,093 --> 00:46:58,789
because I'm not a bad guy.
942
00:46:58,829 --> 00:47:01,627
I'm really not a bad guy
underneath.
943
00:47:01,665 --> 00:47:06,466
I don't mean to do the things
I do wrong.
944
00:47:06,504 --> 00:47:08,472
You know, I pray every night
to God
945
00:47:08,506 --> 00:47:11,304
to forgive me for the things
I've done wrong.
946
00:47:13,477 --> 00:47:16,241
Hallie, why are you
calling me an asshole
947
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,578
and saying that I hurt you?
948
00:47:18,616 --> 00:47:21,210
- Because you did.
949
00:47:21,252 --> 00:47:22,514
- All I called to-
950
00:47:22,553 --> 00:47:24,521
Listen, all I said-
951
00:47:24,555 --> 00:47:26,648
Can I say anything?
952
00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:29,250
Can I say anything ever?
953
00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:30,885
- It was just overkill.
954
00:47:30,928 --> 00:47:32,589
Hallie, Hallie,
Hallie, Hallie.
955
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:34,564
And, you know, it's great to be
in a relationship,
956
00:47:34,598 --> 00:47:36,998
but you just need
a fucking break.
957
00:47:37,034 --> 00:47:38,695
He was talking about marriage.
958
00:47:38,736 --> 00:47:39,794
I mean, from the get-go,
959
00:47:39,837 --> 00:47:41,236
the first thing Bobby told me
was,
960
00:47:41,272 --> 00:47:43,297
"I have a new girlfriend,
and I'm gonna marry her. "
961
00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:45,365
And it's just all these things,
like, compounded
962
00:47:45,409 --> 00:47:47,969
on this poor girl,
and she's just bound to break.
963
00:47:48,012 --> 00:47:49,036
- Yeah, well, not dealing-
964
00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,344
You said it.
I didn't.
965
00:47:52,383 --> 00:47:54,146
She hung up on me again.
966
00:47:57,288 --> 00:48:00,257
It's over.
There's nothing to live for.
967
00:48:20,511 --> 00:48:22,706
- I can come over
and can listen to music, dude.
968
00:48:22,746 --> 00:48:25,306
Music's a powerful drug.
969
00:48:26,717 --> 00:48:28,844
- What do you say?
970
00:48:32,723 --> 00:48:34,156
- What Hallie said?
971
00:48:34,191 --> 00:48:35,351
- Yeah.
972
00:48:39,863 --> 00:48:42,388
- No candy-coating.
973
00:48:42,433 --> 00:48:45,425
This isn't easy for me, dude.
974
00:48:45,469 --> 00:48:48,632
And I don't-but I'll tell ya.
I mean...
975
00:48:48,672 --> 00:48:50,833
Last night, he didn't want
to see me.
976
00:48:50,874 --> 00:48:52,205
Today,
he didn't want to see me.
977
00:48:52,243 --> 00:48:54,268
He doesn't want to see anybody.
978
00:48:54,311 --> 00:48:55,801
He's just really affected.
979
00:48:55,846 --> 00:48:57,143
He's fucking crushed.
980
00:49:07,391 --> 00:49:09,484
- Now that this Hallie thing's
coming down, man,
981
00:49:09,526 --> 00:49:13,189
I could just sense Bobby
just trying to find
982
00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:15,221
any excuse to fucking relapse
983
00:49:15,266 --> 00:49:16,665
and go back and start
smoking crack.
984
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:18,065
I can start feeling it happen.
985
00:49:18,102 --> 00:49:19,194
Bobby, listen to me.
986
00:49:19,236 --> 00:49:21,466
It seemed like last time
we hung out,
987
00:49:21,505 --> 00:49:25,407
I just got a feeling that you
might have smoked crack.
988
00:49:25,442 --> 00:49:27,239
Did you smoke crack
since you've been here?
989
00:49:27,278 --> 00:49:28,336
- No.
990
00:49:50,668 --> 00:49:53,034
- Philip's playing here in a
couple weeks with his band Down.
991
00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:54,867
He's got to be clean for that.
992
00:49:54,905 --> 00:49:56,805
Their hesitation,
the business side of it,
993
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,833
is giving money to
a drug addict, man, you know?
994
00:50:00,878 --> 00:50:04,279
And he's got
to be fucking clean
995
00:50:04,315 --> 00:50:06,579
to back up me telling them
that he's clean
996
00:50:06,617 --> 00:50:08,346
and is gonna be able to do it,
you know?
997
00:50:08,385 --> 00:50:11,149
If he shows up fucked up,
it's gonna fuck it up.
998
00:50:33,711 --> 00:50:38,739
- Being a person that has dealt
with his own demons and won...
999
00:50:38,782 --> 00:50:40,113
- That's the truth.
1000
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:42,846
- I just hope that one day
1001
00:50:42,886 --> 00:50:45,548
maybe he can do the same thing,
you know?
1002
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:47,523
It would be a beautiful thing,
man.
1003
00:50:51,762 --> 00:50:53,093
- Appreciate that.
1004
00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:54,290
From the heart.
1005
00:50:56,333 --> 00:50:58,358
- Wow.
1006
00:50:58,402 --> 00:51:00,029
Can I eat anything I want?
1007
00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:01,401
Can I taste a piece
of pineapple?
1008
00:51:02,439 --> 00:51:04,566
- You sure?
- Get some.
1009
00:51:04,608 --> 00:51:05,700
- Mmm.
1010
00:51:05,743 --> 00:51:08,712
Well, they got it all.
1011
00:51:08,746 --> 00:51:10,407
The way it's supposed to be.
1012
00:51:10,447 --> 00:51:13,041
- Man, I got, like, so many
Pentagram t-shirts.
1013
00:51:13,083 --> 00:51:15,347
It's an honor having you here,
man.
1014
00:51:15,386 --> 00:51:18,822
There's just so much respect.
1015
00:51:18,856 --> 00:51:21,518
Personally, I'm sick of hearing
people say it's too late.
1016
00:51:21,558 --> 00:51:23,253
- Nah.
- It's never too late.
1017
00:51:23,293 --> 00:51:24,555
- Never, never, never.
1018
00:51:24,595 --> 00:51:26,324
- You know, there's a lot
of people, you know,
1019
00:51:26,363 --> 00:51:27,591
"Dude, there's no way
he can come back. "
1020
00:51:27,631 --> 00:51:29,064
- How many times have we been
written off?
1021
00:51:29,099 --> 00:51:30,123
- No, I know, man.
1022
00:51:34,571 --> 00:51:39,270
- If we're gonna get straight
to the bone and shit...
1023
00:51:39,309 --> 00:51:42,210
There is this wave
that I'm sure you're aware of-
1024
00:51:42,246 --> 00:51:46,114
young musicians that are
discovering Pentagram.
1025
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:47,447
That's a gift, my brother.
1026
00:51:47,484 --> 00:51:48,542
- Sure it is.
1027
00:51:48,585 --> 00:51:50,052
- It's a fucking gift.
1028
00:51:50,087 --> 00:51:51,111
- Sure it is.
1029
00:51:51,155 --> 00:51:53,555
- And it's enough of a gift
1030
00:51:53,590 --> 00:51:57,720
for you to give yourself
a fucking break, man.
1031
00:51:57,761 --> 00:51:59,251
You've got your fucking health.
1032
00:51:59,296 --> 00:52:00,763
- I'm giving myself a break.
1033
00:52:00,798 --> 00:52:04,791
I kicked $300 of rock,
six Xanax bars,
1034
00:52:04,835 --> 00:52:07,360
105 milligrams of meth,
1035
00:52:07,404 --> 00:52:11,431
and a 10-pack of dope-
cold turkey.
1036
00:52:11,475 --> 00:52:13,500
- How's that throat feel?
1037
00:52:13,544 --> 00:52:14,636
- Fine.
1038
00:52:14,678 --> 00:52:15,736
- You can sing.
1039
00:52:15,779 --> 00:52:17,371
- Oh, I can sing my ass off.
1040
00:52:17,414 --> 00:52:18,574
- Really?
Are you ready?
1041
00:52:18,615 --> 00:52:20,310
- Yeah, well, you're the man
with the money.
1042
00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:23,581
- Well, you're the man with
the fucking record
1043
00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:25,383
that needs to kick fucking ass
too.
1044
00:52:25,422 --> 00:52:29,586
- Believe me, if you've heard
all my records,
1045
00:52:29,626 --> 00:52:32,925
I ain't done no record in my
opinion that hadn't kicked ass.
1046
00:52:32,963 --> 00:52:34,157
- You know what?
1047
00:52:34,198 --> 00:52:37,793
Robert, I'd be proud
to fucking do this.
1048
00:52:37,835 --> 00:52:39,666
I really would, man.
1049
00:52:39,703 --> 00:52:40,863
- We're coming now, Phil.
1050
00:52:40,904 --> 00:52:42,371
- Stand up.
1051
00:52:42,406 --> 00:52:43,566
- They're on stage.
1052
00:52:43,607 --> 00:52:45,097
- All right, man.
- I love you, baby.
1053
00:52:45,142 --> 00:52:46,234
- Me too, buddy.
1054
00:52:46,276 --> 00:52:47,675
- It's great, great to meet you,
man.
1055
00:52:47,711 --> 00:52:49,338
- Yep, I hope we can do
something, brother.
1056
00:52:49,379 --> 00:52:51,108
- Philip!
We got to go!
1057
00:52:51,148 --> 00:52:52,308
- Let's go, brother.
1058
00:52:52,349 --> 00:52:54,579
- Come on!
1059
00:52:54,618 --> 00:52:56,017
We're on the way.
1060
00:52:56,053 --> 00:52:57,077
Have a good show, bro.
1061
00:53:08,899 --> 00:53:10,696
- You know, I take him up
to meet Phil Anselmo,
1062
00:53:10,734 --> 00:53:13,225
and everything's pretty much
all set up.
1063
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:15,761
On the fucking way home,
1064
00:53:15,806 --> 00:53:17,398
instead of focusing
on the positive,
1065
00:53:17,441 --> 00:53:20,467
he's still focusing on Hallie.
1066
00:53:20,511 --> 00:53:24,413
So as soon as we drop him off,
he literally got out of the car,
1067
00:53:24,448 --> 00:53:27,474
thanked me, all of a sudden
his eyes start to tear up,
1068
00:53:27,518 --> 00:53:28,917
and he says he doesn't want
to go home
1069
00:53:28,952 --> 00:53:30,476
to an empty apartment.
1070
00:53:30,521 --> 00:53:33,513
He's just...
he's at the end.
1071
00:53:33,557 --> 00:53:34,683
Again.
1072
00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:46,263
- I'm in the shower!
Five minutes!
1073
00:53:46,303 --> 00:53:47,463
- Can we come in?
1074
00:53:47,504 --> 00:53:48,869
- Uh, yeah, you can come in.
1075
00:53:48,906 --> 00:53:50,134
You can step over this shit.
1076
00:53:50,173 --> 00:53:52,038
Just stay out of here.
1077
00:53:52,075 --> 00:53:54,066
I'm on record
at Jefferson Hospital
1078
00:53:54,111 --> 00:53:56,739
of being epidemically covered
in scabies,
1079
00:53:56,780 --> 00:53:58,543
so is everything in
the whole goddamn place.
1080
00:53:58,582 --> 00:54:00,447
You think I'm lying?
I can prove every bit of it.
1081
00:54:00,484 --> 00:54:01,542
- Well, let's talk.
1082
00:54:01,585 --> 00:54:02,779
You don't have to prove it
to me.
1083
00:54:02,819 --> 00:54:03,877
Just please get ready-
1084
00:54:03,921 --> 00:54:05,320
- No, I have to prove it
to everybody,
1085
00:54:05,355 --> 00:54:07,323
'cause it's cocaine, cocaine,
cocaine, cocaine!
1086
00:54:07,357 --> 00:54:09,951
Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh!
1087
00:54:11,328 --> 00:54:13,592
The only thing I see here
is a fucking syringe.
1088
00:54:13,630 --> 00:54:15,154
- Yeah, there is a syringe.
1089
00:54:15,198 --> 00:54:18,395
There's a syringe, crack pipes,
all kinds of shit around here.
1090
00:54:18,435 --> 00:54:19,561
I quit.
1091
00:54:19,603 --> 00:54:22,470
A mega dose of methadone.
1092
00:54:22,506 --> 00:54:27,102
Mega heroin,
piggybacking it.
1093
00:54:30,681 --> 00:54:35,175
dropped in the course
of less than a month, okay?
1094
00:54:35,218 --> 00:54:37,686
- I give you huge credit
for that,
1095
00:54:40,791 --> 00:54:42,053
- No, it's not.
1096
00:54:42,092 --> 00:54:44,117
- And keeping you from making
real friends that care.
1097
00:54:44,161 --> 00:54:45,423
- Look, I gave up 99 out of 100.
1098
00:54:45,462 --> 00:54:47,794
I'm not Superman.
What do you want me to do?
1099
00:54:47,831 --> 00:54:50,891
Conquer the world overnight?
1100
00:54:50,934 --> 00:54:54,893
You're asking too much of me
now.
1101
00:54:54,938 --> 00:54:56,496
I'm on the verge
of a nervous breakdown
1102
00:54:56,540 --> 00:54:59,839
over all this drug shit.
1103
00:54:59,876 --> 00:55:01,070
- You have so much talent,
1104
00:55:01,111 --> 00:55:02,669
and you're smoking crack
on your couch.
1105
00:55:02,713 --> 00:55:03,873
It's heartbreaking.
1106
00:55:03,914 --> 00:55:06,542
- How much life do you think
I have left?
1107
00:55:10,454 --> 00:55:13,423
I think the damage is done.
1108
00:55:13,457 --> 00:55:16,221
Far and above.
1109
00:55:29,773 --> 00:55:30,797
- New message.
1110
00:55:31,975 --> 00:55:33,374
- Hi, Demian.
It's Diane.
1111
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:36,504
I haven't heard from Bobby
since Friday.
1112
00:55:36,546 --> 00:55:39,640
Truthfully, I don't think
he's gonna last much longer.
1113
00:55:39,683 --> 00:55:41,207
I just have a feeling.
1114
00:55:41,251 --> 00:55:45,312
Either he's gonna overdose
or do something stupid.
1115
00:55:45,355 --> 00:55:49,917
And he's hung up on that
Hallie thing like crazy, so...
1116
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,588
I can't kill myself anymore
over it,
1117
00:55:52,629 --> 00:55:56,156
and what will be, will be.
1118
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:57,166
- New message.
1119
00:55:58,535 --> 00:56:00,400
- Hi, Demian.
It's Diane.
1120
00:56:00,437 --> 00:56:02,371
We still haven't heard
from Bobby,
1121
00:56:02,406 --> 00:56:06,467
and now we're really
extremely concerned.
1122
00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:07,738
Please call me.
1123
00:56:07,778 --> 00:56:08,938
Thank you.
1124
00:56:08,979 --> 00:56:10,810
Bye-bye.
1125
00:56:12,449 --> 00:56:13,416
- New message.
1126
00:56:14,751 --> 00:56:16,685
- I found out where Bobby is.
1127
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:21,783
It's called CFCF,
under the prison system.
1128
00:56:21,825 --> 00:56:24,692
They took him there.
I don't know where it is.
1129
00:56:24,728 --> 00:56:26,389
I don't know how he is.
1130
00:56:26,430 --> 00:56:29,729
I'm sure he's suffering,
and we don't know what to do.
1131
00:56:29,766 --> 00:56:32,667
So when you get a chance,
you call.
1132
00:56:32,703 --> 00:56:34,193
Bye-bye.
1133
00:56:42,412 --> 00:56:46,849
- Philadelphia Prison Systems.
1134
00:56:46,883 --> 00:56:48,646
"Curran-Fromhold
Correctional Facility.
1135
00:56:48,685 --> 00:56:51,381
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. "
1136
00:56:51,421 --> 00:56:53,889
Bobby's got a restraining order
on him,
1137
00:56:53,924 --> 00:56:59,829
which clearly says you cannot
fucking call Hallie.
1138
00:56:59,863 --> 00:57:02,161
He had fucking called Hallie.
1139
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:03,723
Hallie picked up the phone
and said,
1140
00:57:03,767 --> 00:57:05,257
"That's it.
Now you're going to jail. "
1141
00:57:05,302 --> 00:57:06,860
Click.
1142
00:57:06,903 --> 00:57:08,336
I mean, this is a huge
reality check.
1143
00:57:08,371 --> 00:57:12,034
What's harder than jail?
1144
00:57:12,075 --> 00:57:15,636
What's the next step?
Death?
1145
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:20,139
Who the fuck else is gonna
fucking do this for him?
1146
00:57:20,183 --> 00:57:21,309
I hate to sound like a dick-
1147
00:57:21,351 --> 00:57:22,409
I feel like I've just been-
1148
00:57:22,452 --> 00:57:23,919
I'm getting grizzled
and pricky
1149
00:57:23,954 --> 00:57:27,253
through this whole
fucking process.
1150
00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:29,815
He's completely surrounded
by chaos that he creates,
1151
00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:33,728
but it sucks everybody up in it
that's around him.
1152
00:57:33,764 --> 00:57:36,961
And maybe
I said this already,
1153
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,433
but this past two weeks,
1154
00:57:38,468 --> 00:57:41,096
I was almost glad
that he was in jail-
1155
00:57:41,138 --> 00:57:42,332
just the fact that I know
1156
00:57:42,372 --> 00:57:43,862
he wasn't somewhere
hurting himself,
1157
00:57:43,907 --> 00:57:45,534
and I could concentrate
on my life
1158
00:57:45,575 --> 00:57:46,974
and what I really needed
to get done.
1159
00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:48,443
'Cause if I didn't get
this shit done,
1160
00:57:48,478 --> 00:57:50,309
I can't do anything for him.
1161
00:57:50,347 --> 00:57:52,781
So we'll see.
1162
00:57:52,816 --> 00:57:55,216
See, fucking work calls
right now.
1163
00:57:57,554 --> 00:58:02,651
$260 of bail,
$15 parking later,
1164
00:58:02,692 --> 00:58:04,455
we're finally on our way.
1165
00:58:04,494 --> 00:58:06,462
They told-
after bail went through,
1166
00:58:06,496 --> 00:58:08,225
they told us we have
four to six hours
1167
00:58:08,265 --> 00:58:09,289
before he's released,
1168
00:58:09,332 --> 00:58:10,663
so it's a total guessing game.
1169
00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:13,134
No one can give us any kind
of straight answers.
1170
00:58:13,170 --> 00:58:14,432
So we kind of cut the wait
in half.
1171
00:58:14,471 --> 00:58:15,768
We're headed there now.
1172
00:58:15,806 --> 00:58:17,137
It's dark.
1173
00:58:17,174 --> 00:58:20,940
I'm sure Bobby is freaking
to get out.
1174
00:58:20,977 --> 00:58:23,070
You know, the one thing
he talks about that he wants,
1175
00:58:23,113 --> 00:58:28,278
I'm sure, more than anything
is a bacon pizza,
1176
00:58:28,318 --> 00:58:31,583
which is all he eats,
by the way.
1177
00:58:31,621 --> 00:58:33,919
Anything bad for his heart,
Bobby Liebling will do it.
1178
00:58:34,991 --> 00:58:37,255
Love, drugs, bacon.
1179
00:58:37,294 --> 00:58:39,990
His life.
1180
00:58:44,301 --> 00:58:45,996
What's going on now is,
1181
00:58:46,036 --> 00:58:48,630
every time I fucking come
to get him out,
1182
00:58:48,672 --> 00:58:50,469
there's some other thing
going on.
1183
00:58:50,507 --> 00:58:52,099
They told me
an hour and a half.
1184
00:58:52,142 --> 00:58:54,542
We just went and waited
somewhere for over an hour.
1185
00:58:54,578 --> 00:58:56,512
We come back.
1186
00:58:56,546 --> 00:58:58,275
"Oh, we've got no one
downstairs. "
1187
00:58:58,315 --> 00:59:00,476
I'm like, "Here's his name.
He's been processed.
1188
00:59:00,517 --> 00:59:03,543
We paid at 3:00 today. "
1189
00:59:03,587 --> 00:59:04,952
"Well, there's no one
downstairs.
1190
00:59:04,988 --> 00:59:08,048
"I tell you what, if he's
not out within 15 minutes,
1191
00:59:08,091 --> 00:59:09,524
"he's gonna get out
on the next shift,
1192
00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:12,119
which is, uh...
12:00."
1193
00:59:12,162 --> 00:59:14,392
So that probably means
the next shift starts at 12:00,
1194
00:59:14,431 --> 00:59:16,331
so who knows
when he's gonna get out.
1195
00:59:16,366 --> 00:59:17,833
So we got to park
across the street,
1196
00:59:17,868 --> 00:59:21,065
which is, like, Mister-
at Mister Chubby's,
1197
00:59:21,104 --> 00:59:22,537
which is fitting,
1198
00:59:22,572 --> 00:59:24,733
'cause they're treating us
like fucking boners.
1199
00:59:24,774 --> 00:59:26,969
So now we got to wait
and just watch.
1200
00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:28,568
We got to watch across
the street,
1201
00:59:28,612 --> 00:59:29,977
which you can hardly see,
1202
00:59:30,013 --> 00:59:33,380
and we're gonna wait for him
to walk out of the gate.
1203
00:59:33,416 --> 00:59:36,579
We can't wait here all fucking
night in the goddamn car.
1204
00:59:36,620 --> 00:59:38,747
I skipped a whole day of work
today to bail him out.
1205
00:59:38,788 --> 00:59:39,914
He's still not out,
1206
00:59:39,956 --> 00:59:42,720
and now it's fucking up
my next day.
1207
00:59:42,759 --> 00:59:45,887
So I don't know what to do.
1208
00:59:45,929 --> 00:59:48,489
You know, if we decide to leave
and come back in the morning,
1209
00:59:48,531 --> 00:59:51,261
that's when he's gonna be
out here stranded, probably.
1210
00:59:51,301 --> 00:59:53,895
Know what I mean?
1211
00:59:58,808 --> 01:00:00,207
People keep asking me,
you know,
1212
01:00:00,243 --> 01:00:02,541
"Dude, why are you even
hanging in there?"
1213
01:00:02,579 --> 01:00:04,638
I've grown to love him
as a friend,
1214
01:00:04,681 --> 01:00:07,377
and I really believe in him
as a musician.
1215
01:00:07,417 --> 01:00:08,782
I don't know.
1216
01:00:08,818 --> 01:00:11,878
I'm really on the verge
of saying, "Fuck it. "
1217
01:00:11,922 --> 01:00:13,446
And just saying I tried.
1218
01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:16,254
I really don't know.
I keep going back and forth.
1219
01:00:16,293 --> 01:00:17,555
But I keep feeling like,
1220
01:00:17,594 --> 01:00:19,858
"Man, don't fucking throw it all
away yet, Pellet,
1221
01:00:19,896 --> 01:00:24,663
because we're on the verge of
fucking something happening. "
1222
01:00:28,772 --> 01:00:31,070
Cold in there?
1223
01:00:31,107 --> 01:00:32,335
- Huh, buddy?
1224
01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:33,603
That's my buddy.
1225
01:00:35,845 --> 01:00:37,278
There's my buddy, see?
1226
01:00:38,515 --> 01:00:40,483
Had to hook you up right away.
1227
01:00:42,686 --> 01:00:44,176
- How you doing, man?
1228
01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:46,188
- Uh, doing, like, you know.
1229
01:00:46,222 --> 01:00:47,189
- Is it all right?
1230
01:00:47,223 --> 01:00:49,885
- Here you go.
"Help me. "
1231
01:00:49,926 --> 01:00:53,293
I'm in prison again.
1232
01:01:00,136 --> 01:01:03,333
- Hey, you want some waters?
1233
01:01:03,373 --> 01:01:05,034
It's good to see you out, dude.
1234
01:01:05,075 --> 01:01:06,508
- Jesus.
1235
01:01:06,543 --> 01:01:09,876
- I'm nervous that you're out.
I'll admit it.
1236
01:01:09,913 --> 01:01:12,313
I didn't have to worry about you
in jail.
1237
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:13,907
I knew you weren't doing
something dumb.
1238
01:01:13,950 --> 01:01:16,111
- I knew that.
I...
1239
01:01:16,152 --> 01:01:19,553
Do you even know
how many hours...
1240
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:22,581
- Bobby obviously goes through
the same patterns.
1241
01:01:22,625 --> 01:01:24,422
It's always, he does good
for a couple weeks,
1242
01:01:24,461 --> 01:01:27,430
and then shit falls apart.
1243
01:01:27,464 --> 01:01:29,091
Bobby is just...
1244
01:01:29,132 --> 01:01:30,599
Robert Liebling.
1245
01:01:30,633 --> 01:01:34,967
He's a human,
and he's got incredible demons
1246
01:01:35,005 --> 01:01:39,032
that he has to battle
every fucking day.
1247
01:01:39,075 --> 01:01:43,876
That sounds cheesy, but I think
Bobby really is just doing
1248
01:01:43,913 --> 01:01:46,814
all this stuff
'cause he just needs love.
1249
01:01:50,186 --> 01:01:52,017
- There's nothing here.
1250
01:01:52,055 --> 01:01:57,186
I have nobody I can call
that can try to help.
1251
01:01:57,227 --> 01:01:58,922
I ain't got no relatives.
1252
01:01:58,962 --> 01:02:01,590
I ain't got no brother
or sister, right?
1253
01:02:01,631 --> 01:02:04,464
You know...
1254
01:02:04,501 --> 01:02:06,401
Fuck it.
I ain't got no kids.
1255
01:02:06,436 --> 01:02:07,733
I can't deal with myself.
1256
01:02:07,771 --> 01:02:09,261
I'm too immature.
1257
01:02:09,305 --> 01:02:13,207
I can't handle it, the pressure,
you know what I mean?
1258
01:02:13,243 --> 01:02:16,303
I have nothing here.
1259
01:02:16,346 --> 01:02:18,280
I thought I had a life here.
1260
01:02:18,314 --> 01:02:20,509
I don't got nothing anymore.
1261
01:02:49,379 --> 01:02:52,610
- I just got the new issue
of Rolling Stone.
1262
01:02:52,649 --> 01:02:54,480
I found the perfect girl
for Bobby.
1263
01:02:54,517 --> 01:02:56,951
She's fucking-
has no grip on-
1264
01:02:56,986 --> 01:02:59,045
they're in the same
reality space,
1265
01:02:59,089 --> 01:03:01,990
but she's got money,
and she's young and blonde.
1266
01:03:02,025 --> 01:03:03,185
Fucking Britney, dude.
1267
01:03:03,226 --> 01:03:04,784
I'm making some fucking calls
right now.
1268
01:03:06,096 --> 01:03:09,793
Bobby'd like her, right?
1269
01:03:11,868 --> 01:03:14,632
You want some tea?
1270
01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:18,571
I started to realize
that Bobby and I
1271
01:03:18,608 --> 01:03:20,508
might not have had
the same goals.
1272
01:03:20,543 --> 01:03:22,511
My goal was for him to focus
on the music.
1273
01:03:22,545 --> 01:03:23,773
All I could get him
to focus to
1274
01:03:23,813 --> 01:03:27,010
when he was up here
was Hallie.
1275
01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:30,918
Damn, man, it smells like
an old man's dirty pants.
1276
01:03:32,489 --> 01:03:35,458
He got out of jail.
Stuff just wasn't rolling.
1277
01:03:35,492 --> 01:03:37,585
Phil Anselmo, you know,
caught wind of it.
1278
01:03:37,627 --> 01:03:39,561
Bobby was kind of a mess
and in jail.
1279
01:03:39,596 --> 01:03:42,690
And that's, you know,
totally put on hold.
1280
01:03:42,732 --> 01:03:45,758
Bobby moved back home
with his mom.
1281
01:03:45,802 --> 01:03:48,703
He did, you know,
typical Bobby kind of stuff.
1282
01:03:48,738 --> 01:03:49,830
- Basement?
1283
01:03:49,873 --> 01:03:52,364
- Living in the sub-basement.
You know?
1284
01:03:52,408 --> 01:03:54,968
But one good thing
that came out of it is,
1285
01:03:55,011 --> 01:03:57,707
being back around
all that Maryland scene,
1286
01:03:57,747 --> 01:04:00,648
there was people down there
who were just, you know,
1287
01:04:00,683 --> 01:04:02,150
willing to help him out
1288
01:04:02,185 --> 01:04:03,914
and got together
and got him psyched again
1289
01:04:03,953 --> 01:04:05,079
about playing music.
1290
01:04:18,701 --> 01:04:20,328
I really think, in a way,
1291
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:21,860
this is kind of
what he needed to do.
1292
01:04:21,905 --> 01:04:25,705
He got a complete wake-up call
by going to jail.
1293
01:04:25,742 --> 01:04:27,141
He got some love.
1294
01:04:27,177 --> 01:04:28,576
As heartbroken as he is,
1295
01:04:28,611 --> 01:04:31,375
I think he's got a little bit
of confidence from it.
1296
01:04:31,414 --> 01:04:33,143
- Hey, is this on?
1297
01:04:33,183 --> 01:04:34,673
Yes, it is!
1298
01:04:34,717 --> 01:04:35,684
Okay.
1299
01:04:35,718 --> 01:04:36,776
- Since he's had a full band,
1300
01:04:36,819 --> 01:04:40,220
Bobby is just psyched
to play shows.
1301
01:04:40,256 --> 01:04:42,986
We could definitely play D.C.
and probably do pretty well.
1302
01:04:43,026 --> 01:04:46,257
But to make the biggest punch,
to get the most out of press,
1303
01:04:46,296 --> 01:04:49,060
and just to have
the biggest, you know,
1304
01:04:49,098 --> 01:04:53,034
appearance or profile
is gonna be New York City.
1305
01:04:59,742 --> 01:05:01,004
So we chose New York.
1306
01:05:01,044 --> 01:05:04,036
They're at a top-notch venue.
1307
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,412
We demanded a lot of money.
We're getting it.
1308
01:05:06,449 --> 01:05:07,882
There's also, again,
a lot on the line
1309
01:05:07,917 --> 01:05:10,044
because in the contract
that I have to sign,
1310
01:05:10,086 --> 01:05:12,316
it says if the band does not
show up for whatever reason,
1311
01:05:12,355 --> 01:05:13,788
if stuff doesn't happen,
1312
01:05:13,823 --> 01:05:16,087
it's my name on there
that I'm responsible for.
1313
01:05:16,125 --> 01:05:17,922
So what I really need
Bobby to do
1314
01:05:17,961 --> 01:05:21,397
is just focus again
on the music.
1315
01:05:33,876 --> 01:05:38,813
I'm just very confused
right now.
1316
01:05:38,848 --> 01:05:42,409
There's this angel
I just wanted to talk to
1317
01:05:42,452 --> 01:05:47,355
while I was still
hanging around, mortal.
1318
01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:51,451
- Is that keeping you from
focusing on stuff or are you...
1319
01:05:51,494 --> 01:05:53,724
- Ain't easy.
1320
01:05:53,763 --> 01:05:57,494
Show must go on.
1321
01:05:57,533 --> 01:06:01,435
But it ain't easy, you know.
1322
01:06:06,442 --> 01:06:08,637
Got to keep rocking,
or I start crying.
1323
01:06:08,678 --> 01:06:10,646
Sort of like that, you know?
1324
01:06:17,754 --> 01:06:19,449
Come on!
1325
01:06:30,066 --> 01:06:32,296
- Every single thing you do
with Bobby Liebling has a risk.
1326
01:06:32,335 --> 01:06:33,632
Whether it's a record
coming out,
1327
01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:36,468
whether it's a show or whatever,
it's a risk.
1328
01:06:36,506 --> 01:06:38,633
I mean, it definitely makes
shit exciting.
1329
01:06:38,675 --> 01:06:40,973
But it's putting gray
in my beard, you know?
1330
01:06:41,010 --> 01:06:43,274
- It surprises me, people who
go out and buy advance tickets
1331
01:06:43,313 --> 01:06:45,372
for Pentagram shows, sometimes.
1332
01:06:45,415 --> 01:06:47,144
You know, it's like, man,
I would just wait
1333
01:06:47,183 --> 01:06:49,083
until the night of the show
and go to the door,
1334
01:06:49,118 --> 01:06:51,484
because why sink your money
into something
1335
01:06:51,521 --> 01:06:53,182
that you don't know is even
going to happen?
1336
01:06:53,222 --> 01:06:55,122
- It's kind of an uphill battle
right now,
1337
01:06:55,158 --> 01:06:58,150
because the last couple shows
that Bobby played
1338
01:06:58,194 --> 01:06:59,388
are legendary-
1339
01:06:59,429 --> 01:07:01,363
a legendary mess.
1340
01:07:02,832 --> 01:07:06,461
- Yeah, there was this doom
metal festival or something,
1341
01:07:06,502 --> 01:07:08,231
and this promoter guy goes,
1342
01:07:08,271 --> 01:07:11,172
"Man, I need you to play
this gig and headline this gig. "
1343
01:07:11,207 --> 01:07:12,572
You know, "You got to do it. "
1344
01:07:12,608 --> 01:07:15,805
And I asked Bobby, I said,
"You think we can do it?"
1345
01:07:19,315 --> 01:07:22,807
I went to play the gig,
and it was packed with people.
1346
01:07:22,852 --> 01:07:24,945
It's getting later and later,
and Bobby doesn't show.
1347
01:07:24,987 --> 01:07:27,285
Then Bobby doesn't show.
1348
01:07:27,323 --> 01:07:29,553
And the club owner comes up
and goes, "Man, you got to play.
1349
01:07:29,592 --> 01:07:32,322
They're gonna tear my club up. "
1350
01:07:32,362 --> 01:07:34,330
I said, "There's-I don't have
a singer here. "
1351
01:07:34,364 --> 01:07:36,264
Unfortunately, our singer
won't show up tonight
1352
01:07:36,299 --> 01:07:38,096
'cause he's just too
fucking cool for all of us,
1353
01:07:38,134 --> 01:07:40,432
so let's give it a big,
"Fuck you, you asshole!"
1354
01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:41,437
Right?
1355
01:07:41,471 --> 01:07:42,438
- Fuck you!
1356
01:07:42,472 --> 01:07:43,598
- We're gonna play anyway.
1357
01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:45,937
And I gave the microphone
to the audience.
1358
01:07:45,975 --> 01:07:48,000
I say, "It's Pentagram
karaoke night.
1359
01:07:48,044 --> 01:07:49,136
Here you go. "
1360
01:07:56,919 --> 01:08:01,788
Then Bobby showed up at the last
two measures of the last song.
1361
01:08:05,027 --> 01:08:07,825
I kicked him in the leg
and then...
1362
01:08:07,864 --> 01:08:10,424
and I think I had a cordless
guitar that night or something,
1363
01:08:10,466 --> 01:08:12,400
but I was playing from
behind the speakers
1364
01:08:12,435 --> 01:08:16,303
where he couldn't rock out
with me, you know?
1365
01:08:16,339 --> 01:08:17,567
That's how it happened,
1366
01:08:17,607 --> 01:08:21,338
and that kind of broke us up,
really.
1367
01:08:21,377 --> 01:08:24,869
I said, "Forget it, man.
I can't do that again.
1368
01:08:24,914 --> 01:08:26,438
Not at my age. "
1369
01:08:26,482 --> 01:08:29,576
You know-shit.
I'm almost 20 now, so...
1370
01:08:29,619 --> 01:08:31,814
- Come on,
you fucking junkie!
1371
01:08:31,854 --> 01:08:33,014
- Play!
1372
01:08:33,055 --> 01:08:34,682
- Play a song,
you fucking junkie!
1373
01:08:34,724 --> 01:08:36,589
You fucking dope-shooter!
1374
01:08:36,626 --> 01:08:38,560
You fucking rip-off!
1375
01:08:38,594 --> 01:08:41,757
Bullshit!
1376
01:08:41,798 --> 01:08:44,392
- He's got this Jim Morrison
thing going on now
1377
01:08:44,434 --> 01:08:48,131
or something, where you just
never know what's gonna happen.
1378
01:08:50,673 --> 01:08:51,935
The last...
1379
01:08:51,974 --> 01:08:54,135
the last time he played
was The Black Oat show in D.C.
1380
01:08:54,177 --> 01:08:57,044
- Oh, okay.
The Black Oat incident?
1381
01:08:57,079 --> 01:08:59,240
That's like the incident
at Roswell.
1382
01:08:59,282 --> 01:09:01,978
2,000 people
crammed in this place,
1383
01:09:02,018 --> 01:09:04,452
and I'm going,
"He's finally made it.
1384
01:09:04,487 --> 01:09:08,617
Damn, I'm glad I came tonight.
You know, this is great. "
1385
01:09:08,658 --> 01:09:10,683
- People are fucking charged.
1386
01:09:10,726 --> 01:09:12,853
You see the band
take the stage.
1387
01:09:12,895 --> 01:09:16,023
Literally, the guy next to me
is biting his lip.
1388
01:09:16,065 --> 01:09:19,899
But there's something missing.
Where's Bobby?
1389
01:09:19,936 --> 01:09:22,302
- Apparently, he'd overdosed.
1390
01:09:22,338 --> 01:09:25,171
And he fell asleep in my arms
like a baby
1391
01:09:25,208 --> 01:09:28,700
in the dressing room.
1392
01:09:28,744 --> 01:09:30,939
Somebody knew
the rescue squad guy.
1393
01:09:30,980 --> 01:09:32,447
They came and got him,
1394
01:09:32,482 --> 01:09:34,313
and then they shot him up
with something.
1395
01:09:34,350 --> 01:09:35,442
I don't know what.
1396
01:09:35,485 --> 01:09:39,888
He goes, "I'm ready to play. "
1397
01:09:39,922 --> 01:09:43,050
- I see Bobby on the side
of the stage being propped up,
1398
01:09:43,092 --> 01:09:46,084
looking like he's being
carried over to the stage.
1399
01:09:52,435 --> 01:09:56,132
- Grabs a mic,
1400
01:09:56,172 --> 01:09:57,537
and that was it.
1401
01:09:57,573 --> 01:10:02,340
Stumbles backwards,
falls on the drum riser.
1402
01:10:02,378 --> 01:10:04,175
Crawls off the fucking stage.
1403
01:10:06,349 --> 01:10:10,012
- When he left, it was in
the big freight elevator-
1404
01:10:10,052 --> 01:10:12,350
in a straitjacket.
1405
01:10:12,388 --> 01:10:13,616
And there's orange lights,
1406
01:10:13,656 --> 01:10:15,920
and instead of the doors
coming together like this,
1407
01:10:15,958 --> 01:10:19,018
they shut like a mouth,
a giant, metallic mouth,
1408
01:10:19,061 --> 01:10:21,256
and he was gone.
1409
01:10:21,297 --> 01:10:22,457
I thought, "That's it.
1410
01:10:22,498 --> 01:10:23,863
That's the last time
I'll see him. "
1411
01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:26,892
Man, I'll remember that
the rest of my life.
1412
01:10:32,942 --> 01:10:36,969
- You know, I monitor
Bobby's Myspace page.
1413
01:10:37,013 --> 01:10:41,074
Soon as you announce these
shows, dude, this thing lit up.
1414
01:10:41,117 --> 01:10:42,584
It was just amazing.
1415
01:10:42,618 --> 01:10:44,609
Every time I come on, there's
all these friend requests.
1416
01:10:44,654 --> 01:10:46,781
I had 12 pages
of friend requests.
1417
01:10:46,822 --> 01:10:48,881
This might be fake,
but Bobby would like it.
1418
01:10:50,927 --> 01:10:52,360
One of the best things for me,
dude-
1419
01:10:52,395 --> 01:10:53,862
this is a total triumph.
1420
01:10:53,896 --> 01:10:55,864
This one kid says to me,
1421
01:10:55,898 --> 01:10:57,559
"I only heard Pentagram
two months ago,
1422
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,227
"but I can't believe
the influence
1423
01:10:59,268 --> 01:11:00,997
it's had on my life already. "
1424
01:11:01,037 --> 01:11:04,302
You know, this is from, like,
this 19-year-old kid,
1425
01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:06,331
so in the middle of nowhere,
USA,
1426
01:11:06,375 --> 01:11:09,503
who must have picked up a First
Daze Here record or whatever,
1427
01:11:09,545 --> 01:11:11,376
and it's just changed his life,
1428
01:11:11,414 --> 01:11:12,779
and it's the same thing
it did to me,
1429
01:11:12,815 --> 01:11:16,216
and it's exactly what I want
to do with Bobby.
1430
01:11:16,252 --> 01:11:17,446
Oh, right here.
1431
01:11:17,486 --> 01:11:18,919
"Love, love, love your music.
1432
01:11:18,955 --> 01:11:20,513
"Saw the opening band
at a Witchcraft gig
1433
01:11:20,556 --> 01:11:21,648
"cover a tune of yours.
1434
01:11:21,691 --> 01:11:23,659
The place went crazy. "
1435
01:11:23,693 --> 01:11:24,853
"Pentagram forever.
1436
01:11:24,894 --> 01:11:26,452
"Many, many thanks
for this great music.
1437
01:11:26,495 --> 01:11:30,226
I love it and I need it
every day. "
1438
01:11:30,266 --> 01:11:32,598
And again, just people
just rooting for Bobby.
1439
01:11:32,635 --> 01:11:34,865
Look at this.
It's great.
1440
01:11:34,904 --> 01:11:36,166
It goes on and on and on.
1441
01:11:36,205 --> 01:11:37,502
Again, I just get choked up,
1442
01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:40,771
'cause I'm a freaking
sissy-hippie butt.
1443
01:11:40,810 --> 01:11:42,141
I'm not a sissy, but...
1444
01:11:45,715 --> 01:11:47,239
At first I got involved
with Bobby,
1445
01:11:47,283 --> 01:11:49,410
I wanted to have Bobby's music
heard.
1446
01:11:49,452 --> 01:11:51,477
That was the main goal, right?
1447
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,784
It was just pretty much
all about Bobby.
1448
01:11:53,823 --> 01:11:58,783
Now at this point,
it's become about me too.
1449
01:11:58,828 --> 01:12:01,388
My whole life has been in music.
1450
01:12:01,430 --> 01:12:05,696
My greatest accomplishment,
to me personally, is Pentagram.
1451
01:12:05,735 --> 01:12:07,396
If I can't make it happen,
1452
01:12:07,436 --> 01:12:09,631
then I've got to fucking wake up
and grow up,
1453
01:12:09,672 --> 01:12:13,108
like my parents keep telling me
to do.
1454
01:12:13,142 --> 01:12:14,769
Out my hair
and get a goddamn job.
1455
01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:17,108
It's gonna suck.
1456
01:12:21,917 --> 01:12:24,977
Bobby, Hallie and I
texted each other,
1457
01:12:25,021 --> 01:12:27,319
and she sent me a couple
of lengthy messages
1458
01:12:27,356 --> 01:12:28,983
that I can read if you want.
1459
01:12:29,025 --> 01:12:30,515
She's not gonna be
at either show.
1460
01:12:30,559 --> 01:12:31,890
There's no way in hell.
1461
01:12:31,927 --> 01:12:35,021
I do know what this means
to you-trust me, I do.
1462
01:12:35,064 --> 01:12:37,294
- One of the nights.
You know what?
1463
01:12:37,333 --> 01:12:39,198
- Let me put it this way.
1464
01:12:39,235 --> 01:12:41,032
I've got so much invested
in this.
1465
01:12:41,070 --> 01:12:42,765
I've gone beyond the deposit.
1466
01:12:42,805 --> 01:12:44,363
I've spent my own money
on this.
1467
01:12:44,407 --> 01:12:45,840
I need these shows to happen.
1468
01:12:45,875 --> 01:12:48,241
I'll do whatever it takes
to make these shows happen.
1469
01:12:48,277 --> 01:12:51,713
If it means fucking lying
to Hallie
1470
01:12:51,747 --> 01:12:53,578
and telling her
she'll get a $1 million
1471
01:12:53,616 --> 01:12:55,607
if she shows up,
I'll do it.
1472
01:12:55,651 --> 01:12:57,414
But I just don't have
high hopes,
1473
01:12:57,453 --> 01:12:58,886
and you got to get it out
of your head
1474
01:12:58,921 --> 01:13:00,149
that she's gonna show up or not.
1475
01:13:06,062 --> 01:13:07,154
And I know that.
1476
01:13:07,196 --> 01:13:09,323
- So what else am I supposed
to do?
1477
01:13:09,365 --> 01:13:12,823
She basically said,
Bobby is-
1478
01:13:12,868 --> 01:13:14,495
you know,
in not so many words-
1479
01:13:14,537 --> 01:13:16,801
off his rocker,
doing cocaine again.
1480
01:13:16,839 --> 01:13:19,000
You have to go down
to Germantown,
1481
01:13:19,041 --> 01:13:21,009
get him out
of the sub-basement,
1482
01:13:21,043 --> 01:13:22,943
and bring him to Philly,
1483
01:13:22,978 --> 01:13:24,775
or he's not gonna play
these shows.
1484
01:13:24,814 --> 01:13:26,475
So she knows.
1485
01:13:31,921 --> 01:13:34,048
- Listen, you got to leave
in ten hours.
1486
01:13:34,090 --> 01:13:36,058
I don't know if she's wrong yet
or not.
1487
01:13:36,092 --> 01:13:37,855
Your hair's not dyed.
You should-
1488
01:13:37,893 --> 01:13:39,588
It's 10:30 at night.
1489
01:13:39,628 --> 01:13:41,357
Your fucking clothes
aren't dry-cleaned.
1490
01:13:41,397 --> 01:13:43,228
I should have went down
and got you.
1491
01:13:46,102 --> 01:13:48,662
I hope so.
1492
01:13:55,344 --> 01:13:57,335
- If you're doing what you said
you were gonna do,
1493
01:13:57,379 --> 01:13:58,971
let's just do it.
1494
01:13:59,014 --> 01:14:01,414
We're gonna get in an argument,
we're gonna raise our voices,
1495
01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:03,315
and your voice is gonna be
even...
1496
01:14:05,654 --> 01:14:08,179
- I will promise you I will send
that text.
1497
01:14:08,224 --> 01:14:10,249
Honestly, Bobby, I'm super
stressed out right now,
1498
01:14:10,292 --> 01:14:11,350
and I'm just-
1499
01:14:11,393 --> 01:14:12,951
I'll send her that text,
1500
01:14:12,995 --> 01:14:14,587
but I got to finish
this merch stuff.
1501
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:16,359
I got to do a bunch of shit
for the shows.
1502
01:14:25,007 --> 01:14:28,272
- Please relax tonight
and take your bath and chill,
1503
01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:29,607
and I'm gonna do...
1504
01:14:29,645 --> 01:14:33,206
- Did you think this was
gonna go any other way?
1505
01:14:33,249 --> 01:14:35,012
- Yeah, I did,
1506
01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:38,577
because Bobby's been really
fucking focused lately.
1507
01:14:38,621 --> 01:14:41,146
I mean, he's been really
heartbroken over Hallie,
1508
01:14:41,190 --> 01:14:42,851
and that, you know,
and any time
1509
01:14:42,892 --> 01:14:44,655
I need a ten-minute conversation
out of him,
1510
01:14:44,693 --> 01:14:46,490
I figure it's gonna be an hour
'cause I got to-
1511
01:14:46,529 --> 01:14:47,928
50 minutes of Hallie,
which is fine.
1512
01:14:47,963 --> 01:14:49,692
He's my friend.
It's cool.
1513
01:14:49,732 --> 01:14:53,065
I know what it's like to suffer
that way, and it's cool.
1514
01:14:53,102 --> 01:14:55,662
But through it all, he's really
getting kind of focused,
1515
01:14:55,704 --> 01:14:58,935
and it's like he's focused
to prove this to her.
1516
01:14:58,974 --> 01:15:02,410
I mean, you know,
I think he thinks
1517
01:15:02,444 --> 01:15:04,571
if he pulls these two shows off
1518
01:15:04,613 --> 01:15:06,137
and shows that he can really
do it,
1519
01:15:06,182 --> 01:15:07,843
he'll be able to take care
of her
1520
01:15:07,883 --> 01:15:09,475
and make money and all that.
1521
01:15:10,753 --> 01:15:12,414
He's doing these shows
just for her.
1522
01:15:12,454 --> 01:15:14,547
And now that she's not there,
he doesn't want to do 'em,
1523
01:15:14,590 --> 01:15:16,251
but he can't back out.
1524
01:15:16,292 --> 01:15:17,520
I mean, it's not just me
1525
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,585
who's got money and time
involved in this.
1526
01:15:19,628 --> 01:15:20,959
It's a lot of people.
1527
01:15:59,768 --> 01:16:01,360
- "Pentagarm. "
1528
01:16:01,403 --> 01:16:02,836
"Pentagarm," it says.
1529
01:16:02,872 --> 01:16:06,171
It does.
It says g-a-r-m.
1530
01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:07,675
That's all right.
1531
01:16:07,710 --> 01:16:12,238
I live in hell anyway.
What's the fucking difference?
1532
01:16:12,281 --> 01:16:13,475
- Check, uh.
1533
01:16:13,515 --> 01:16:15,813
Uh-uh.
1534
01:16:15,851 --> 01:16:17,716
Hey-hey-hey,
check-check-check.
1535
01:16:17,753 --> 01:16:19,618
82.
1536
01:16:22,358 --> 01:16:23,552
- Yeah, there's my pants.
1537
01:16:23,592 --> 01:16:24,889
That's all I'm wearing
for pants.
1538
01:16:24,927 --> 01:16:28,294
It's just black, tight pants.
1539
01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:31,697
This I'm thinking is what people
like, 'cause it's paisley.
1540
01:16:31,734 --> 01:16:34,168
You know what I mean?
1541
01:16:34,203 --> 01:16:36,433
And it's very, very old look.
1542
01:16:36,472 --> 01:16:38,667
A '70, you know, '60s, whatever.
1543
01:16:38,707 --> 01:16:41,141
It's hippie, all right?
1544
01:16:41,176 --> 01:16:46,478
But...
you can't out-flamboyant that.
1545
01:16:46,515 --> 01:16:48,813
That's a motherfucker,
isn't it?
1546
01:16:48,851 --> 01:16:50,512
I mean, this is a true-
1547
01:16:50,552 --> 01:16:51,519
feel this thing.
1548
01:16:51,553 --> 01:16:54,147
Feel how bizarre it feels.
1549
01:16:54,189 --> 01:16:56,157
The first time that I started
using these clothes,
1550
01:16:56,191 --> 01:16:59,160
did I think I'd be breaking
them out again?
1551
01:16:59,194 --> 01:17:00,627
I thought
I'd be throwing them out,
1552
01:17:00,663 --> 01:17:02,426
but I don't know about
breaking them out.
1553
01:17:04,033 --> 01:17:05,022
It's weird, isn't it?
1554
01:17:05,067 --> 01:17:08,195
They're all my mom's.
1555
01:17:08,237 --> 01:17:13,903
I just thank God above for
everything that has transpired,
1556
01:17:13,943 --> 01:17:21,281
and the people have
phenomenally
1557
01:17:21,317 --> 01:17:24,684
astonished me,
astounded me
1558
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,748
with their devotion
and their mega support.
1559
01:17:29,792 --> 01:17:38,564
And it's finally caught on
to the fact that...
1560
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,003
what goes
will always come back.
1561
01:17:45,774 --> 01:17:47,401
- We came all the way from L.A.
for this,
1562
01:17:47,443 --> 01:17:51,038
and it's a really important
night, obviously.
1563
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,880
It's almost like Bobby's return,
you know?
1564
01:18:21,477 --> 01:18:23,707
- Hey, everybody
in the whole place, man,
1565
01:18:23,746 --> 01:18:25,077
God bless all of you,
1566
01:18:25,114 --> 01:18:27,139
and I mean it from the bottom
of my heart, thank you.
1567
01:18:27,182 --> 01:18:29,173
I mean it.
1568
01:18:29,218 --> 01:18:30,776
- Thank you.
- Thank you, Bobby.
1569
01:18:30,819 --> 01:18:34,380
- I truly mean it.
God bless all of you.
1570
01:18:34,423 --> 01:18:35,890
- Bobby!
1571
01:18:40,295 --> 01:18:41,262
The legend!
1572
01:19:02,051 --> 01:19:03,780
Pentagram!
1573
01:19:03,819 --> 01:19:08,688
Pentagram! Pentagram!
Pentagram!
1574
01:19:32,748 --> 01:19:34,477
- I love you.
1575
01:19:37,886 --> 01:19:39,683
God bless all of you.
1576
01:19:42,191 --> 01:19:44,216
I can't believe this is real.
1577
01:19:44,259 --> 01:19:46,454
I mean, I do.
1578
01:19:46,495 --> 01:19:48,656
I want to thank you from
the bottom of my heart,
1579
01:19:48,697 --> 01:19:51,359
and I mean this
deep down inside.
1580
01:19:52,401 --> 01:19:53,493
You came through.
1581
01:19:53,535 --> 01:19:56,971
Without you, I ain't.
1582
01:19:57,005 --> 01:19:59,371
You get my message?
1583
01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:43,804
Thank God for all of you!
1584
01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:56,078
- Thank you.
Thank you.
1585
01:22:56,118 --> 01:22:59,178
- Made my fucking lifetime, man.
1586
01:22:59,221 --> 01:23:00,984
- Thanks, Bobby.
Thank you so much.
1587
01:23:01,023 --> 01:23:04,117
I know you're tired.
Thank you so much.
1588
01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,719
- Bobby,
that was fucking awesome.
1589
01:23:06,762 --> 01:23:07,956
- That was great.
1590
01:23:07,996 --> 01:23:09,623
- Thank you, Bobby.
That was awesome, man.
1591
01:23:09,665 --> 01:23:10,654
It was right on.
1592
01:23:10,699 --> 01:23:12,690
- It was overpowering.
1593
01:23:12,734 --> 01:23:14,395
I'm still feeling-
I'm getting choked up.
1594
01:23:14,436 --> 01:23:16,700
I mean, I went from laughing,
like, hysterically
1595
01:23:16,738 --> 01:23:19,366
to, like, crying.
1596
01:23:19,408 --> 01:23:20,898
I just-I can't explain it,
1597
01:23:20,942 --> 01:23:23,809
and for me,
I just felt like a kid.
1598
01:23:23,845 --> 01:23:26,541
To be on the side of the stage
and watching my favorite band
1599
01:23:26,581 --> 01:23:29,175
at their biggest show ever,
1600
01:23:29,217 --> 01:23:31,947
and knowing I had something
to do with it, I just-
1601
01:23:31,987 --> 01:23:35,013
it's like-it's a fucking
Christmas gift, dude.
1602
01:23:35,057 --> 01:23:36,319
You know?
1603
01:23:36,358 --> 01:23:39,122
It's fucking Hanukkah,
Christmas, and Kwanzaa
1604
01:23:39,161 --> 01:23:40,560
all in one,
1605
01:23:40,595 --> 01:23:42,756
and Bobby Liebling delivering
the presents.
1606
01:23:42,798 --> 01:23:44,197
It's fucking great.
1607
01:23:44,232 --> 01:23:48,191
If it all falls apart now,
I'm fucking happy as shit.
1608
01:23:48,236 --> 01:23:50,397
If an arrow fucking comes,
hits me in the head right now,
1609
01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:51,929
I don't care;
I feel great.
1610
01:23:51,973 --> 01:23:53,167
I'm just psyched, dude.
1611
01:23:53,208 --> 01:23:55,438
This is the best night
of my life, really.
1612
01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,970
- I'm alive.
1613
01:24:00,015 --> 01:24:03,007
I'm alive,
and that's something
1614
01:24:03,051 --> 01:24:05,519
that I would have never
expected,
1615
01:24:05,554 --> 01:24:07,545
and three or four
hospital record books
1616
01:24:07,589 --> 01:24:11,116
say the same damn thing.
1617
01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:14,526
But, you know,
1618
01:24:14,563 --> 01:24:16,963
who knows what
you got in the cards, right?
1619
01:24:16,998 --> 01:24:18,761
You got to spin that wheel.
1620
01:24:21,069 --> 01:24:23,094
"Life is like
a box of chocolates.
1621
01:24:23,138 --> 01:24:25,971
You never know
what you're gonna get. "
1622
01:24:52,567 --> 01:24:54,432
Okay.
1623
01:24:59,508 --> 01:25:01,032
Come out and get your breakfast,
baby.
1624
01:25:01,076 --> 01:25:04,409
It's sausage and toast.
1625
01:25:04,446 --> 01:25:07,108
Hallie?
Hal?
1626
01:25:07,149 --> 01:25:10,550
- Coming.
- You want to come out and eat?
1627
01:25:10,585 --> 01:25:12,576
All right?
1628
01:25:12,621 --> 01:25:14,680
Here, I'm gonna show them
half of the eggs.
1629
01:25:14,723 --> 01:25:16,554
I had to scramble them,
but they're-
1630
01:25:16,591 --> 01:25:18,582
Daddy makes a good breakfast.
1631
01:25:21,630 --> 01:25:24,098
- After he played
the Webster Hall show,
1632
01:25:24,132 --> 01:25:26,498
he started getting the ball
rolling again with his work
1633
01:25:26,535 --> 01:25:28,526
and had started, like,
at least trying
1634
01:25:28,570 --> 01:25:31,505
to get out of his parents'
1635
01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:33,872
and having something to do
1636
01:25:33,909 --> 01:25:39,006
rather than just sitting around
and destroying himself.
1637
01:25:39,047 --> 01:25:40,514
I had always thought about him.
1638
01:25:40,549 --> 01:25:42,540
He'd never left my mind,
1639
01:25:42,584 --> 01:25:45,883
and I just called
to check on him.
1640
01:25:45,921 --> 01:25:47,912
It progressed from there.
1641
01:25:47,956 --> 01:25:52,393
From him coming back here
to visit and him being sober,
1642
01:25:52,427 --> 01:25:56,454
we're just both really happy,
and it's pretty harmonious.
1643
01:25:56,498 --> 01:25:58,591
Like, I like his intensity
1644
01:25:58,633 --> 01:26:00,658
because it's different from
what I am,
1645
01:26:00,702 --> 01:26:03,262
and we meet, like,
somewhere in the middle.
1646
01:26:03,305 --> 01:26:07,571
But it's not so outrageous,
like how it was.
1647
01:26:07,609 --> 01:26:12,603
It's a kind, natural intensity
rather than craziness.
1648
01:26:12,647 --> 01:26:16,208
It's really been incredible
to watch his metamorphosis.
1649
01:26:16,251 --> 01:26:19,414
Bobby's like a miracle to me.
1650
01:26:19,454 --> 01:26:21,649
I just have to kind of trust
my heart and my instincts
1651
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:22,657
in this situation.
1652
01:26:22,691 --> 01:26:26,923
I have had to a lot,
like, um,
1653
01:26:26,962 --> 01:26:29,556
and just trust him
because he's more likely
1654
01:26:29,598 --> 01:26:33,432
to pan out the way
that I want him to
1655
01:26:33,468 --> 01:26:35,163
if I trust him sincerely,
1656
01:26:35,203 --> 01:26:37,433
instead of, you know,
just half-ass,
1657
01:26:37,472 --> 01:26:38,905
like,
"Okay, we'll see how it goes. "
1658
01:26:38,940 --> 01:26:40,771
But, like, just having one foot
in the water.
1659
01:26:42,110 --> 01:26:43,475
Here-I'm not supposed to do
this,
1660
01:26:43,512 --> 01:26:45,480
but you can have one more piece
of toast.
1661
01:26:45,514 --> 01:26:47,038
Here, one more bite for you
is all.
1662
01:26:47,082 --> 01:26:54,818
After the American tour, we had
a very deep, unified period
1663
01:26:54,856 --> 01:26:56,721
that I recall pretty well
1664
01:26:56,758 --> 01:27:02,663
of bonding with intent of...
1665
01:27:02,697 --> 01:27:04,494
this is for eternity.
1666
01:27:09,037 --> 01:27:11,528
- We got married
the end of November.
1667
01:27:11,573 --> 01:27:12,733
- Day before Thanksgiving.
1668
01:27:12,774 --> 01:27:15,038
- Yeah, it was the day before
Thanksgiving.
1669
01:27:15,076 --> 01:27:17,510
- You know, right there.
That's it.
1670
01:27:17,546 --> 01:27:18,740
It's for life.
1671
01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:21,749
You know, love is forever,
and love is for two.
1672
01:27:21,783 --> 01:27:23,546
- I got to put it on
his joke-shop finger too,
1673
01:27:23,585 --> 01:27:25,883
the one with the knuckle
cut out.
1674
01:27:25,921 --> 01:27:27,855
As his wedding finger.
1675
01:27:27,889 --> 01:27:29,516
We were getting married,
and I was like,
1676
01:27:29,558 --> 01:27:31,549
"Aw, I get to put it on
his little fucked-up finger. "
1677
01:27:34,596 --> 01:27:35,961
- The cute little finger.
1678
01:27:35,997 --> 01:27:37,794
- Yeah, my joke-shop finger.
1679
01:27:37,832 --> 01:27:39,663
- Yeah, it's like...
1680
01:27:39,701 --> 01:27:41,225
- It's like it doesn't have
any knuckle.
1681
01:27:41,269 --> 01:27:42,429
- Yeah, there's no knuckle.
1682
01:27:47,976 --> 01:27:50,342
- We've been through
an awful lot
1683
01:27:50,378 --> 01:27:52,539
in the two-plus years
1684
01:27:52,581 --> 01:27:57,211
that we've, you know,
known each other,
1685
01:27:57,252 --> 01:27:59,982
and now we're on paper,
1686
01:28:00,021 --> 01:28:04,355
and this is
Mrs. Robert Liebling.
1687
01:28:04,392 --> 01:28:06,087
- I looked at all of your labs.
1688
01:28:06,127 --> 01:28:08,357
Everything looks great.
1689
01:28:08,396 --> 01:28:15,359
- I am very ecstatically,
happily married
1690
01:28:15,403 --> 01:28:18,861
and, uh, expecting.
1691
01:28:18,907 --> 01:28:23,003
There's a bun in the oven.
1692
01:28:23,044 --> 01:28:25,478
I don't know another way
to put it, you know?
1693
01:28:25,513 --> 01:28:27,879
It's gonna be corny anyway,
but it's not corny to me.
1694
01:28:27,916 --> 01:28:29,440
It's my whole life.
1695
01:28:29,484 --> 01:28:32,715
We're gonna have a baby.
1696
01:28:32,754 --> 01:28:36,246
- Hold this?
1697
01:28:36,291 --> 01:28:39,351
- Do you have names picked out
for girls or boys?
1698
01:28:39,394 --> 01:28:40,759
- Yeah, we agree on nothing.
1699
01:28:40,795 --> 01:28:42,592
- You can lie down.
- We agree on next to nothing.
1700
01:28:44,833 --> 01:28:46,562
Sounds about right.
1701
01:29:04,786 --> 01:29:08,187
It's, like, coming in and out
of my little machine.
1702
01:29:08,223 --> 01:29:10,054
- Mm-hmm.
1703
01:29:10,091 --> 01:29:13,288
- What a troublemaker.
1704
01:29:15,730 --> 01:29:18,096
Come on. Come back.
1705
01:29:18,133 --> 01:29:19,100
There we go.
1706
01:29:20,735 --> 01:29:24,831
Sounds perfect.
1707
01:29:24,873 --> 01:29:26,898
Perfect.
1708
01:29:26,941 --> 01:29:29,671
Right where it should be.
1709
01:29:36,217 --> 01:29:37,809
That's great.
1710
01:29:37,852 --> 01:29:43,984
- That's something I never
dreamt would ever come about.
1711
01:29:44,025 --> 01:29:47,017
And, um...
look out, world.
1712
01:29:47,062 --> 01:29:49,724
There's gonna be another me.
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