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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:37,651 --> 00:00:41,485 Everything I have in here, you see, is one of a kind. 2 00:00:50,330 --> 00:00:52,298 This stuff's all chiffon stuff. 3 00:00:52,332 --> 00:00:56,132 This stuff's my fancy stuff. 4 00:00:56,169 --> 00:00:59,866 I bought these in 1967, and they're still brand-new. 5 00:00:59,906 --> 00:01:02,466 They got great, big- they're low hip-huggers, right? 6 00:01:02,509 --> 00:01:03,999 They come down here. 7 00:01:04,044 --> 00:01:07,912 And they got great, big bells on 'em, man. 8 00:01:07,948 --> 00:01:10,280 These are nice leather ones. They're real soft. 9 00:01:10,317 --> 00:01:13,377 Feel the leather on those. They're soft. 10 00:01:13,420 --> 00:01:14,978 They feel good, don't they? 11 00:01:15,021 --> 00:01:17,012 I like a lot of paisley shit, you know. 12 00:01:17,057 --> 00:01:18,422 I still got a lot of paisley shit, 13 00:01:18,458 --> 00:01:21,359 and it's all in perfect condition. 14 00:01:21,395 --> 00:01:23,022 These are all my stage clothes, 15 00:01:23,063 --> 00:01:25,861 and I only wore these, like, once in a while, 16 00:01:25,899 --> 00:01:28,732 because when I used to play, 17 00:01:28,769 --> 00:01:33,763 I was saving them for when I got big. 18 00:01:33,807 --> 00:01:37,937 And that never happened, so I saved 'em forever. 19 00:01:39,579 --> 00:01:43,208 - So what are his prospects? 20 00:01:43,250 --> 00:01:46,310 Because he keeps giving me these rosy scenarios, 21 00:01:46,353 --> 00:01:49,083 and I don't know what to believe, you know? 22 00:01:49,122 --> 00:01:51,022 - What does he tell you, specifically? 23 00:01:51,057 --> 00:01:55,585 - Well, like, one thing I know is a delusion, 24 00:01:55,629 --> 00:01:59,065 is that he's going in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame 25 00:01:59,099 --> 00:02:00,760 this year or next. 26 00:02:02,736 --> 00:02:04,670 I like him to have a dream, though, you know? 27 00:02:04,704 --> 00:02:10,040 If he didn't have a dream, he's liable to kill himself. 28 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,841 - Are you really gonna do this as a documentary? 29 00:02:16,883 --> 00:02:18,817 I could go out and play. 30 00:02:18,852 --> 00:02:21,343 - I get nervous. You know what I mean? 31 00:02:21,388 --> 00:02:23,982 - Hmm? - I get nervous that... 32 00:02:24,024 --> 00:02:25,582 - Everybody does. 33 00:02:25,625 --> 00:02:27,684 He does. 34 00:02:27,727 --> 00:02:29,718 They're afraid I'm gonna die. 35 00:02:32,365 --> 00:02:33,832 That's okay. I won't. 36 00:02:33,867 --> 00:02:36,529 If you guys want me around, I'll stick around. 37 00:02:36,570 --> 00:02:38,003 - Please. - If you really do. 38 00:02:38,038 --> 00:02:39,699 I mean that in my heart. 39 00:02:39,739 --> 00:02:43,300 I mean, if you want me around, I'll stick around. 40 00:02:43,343 --> 00:02:45,971 For just guys like you guys. 41 00:03:17,577 --> 00:03:19,238 - I was at a record show with my girlfriend, 42 00:03:19,279 --> 00:03:21,804 and, um, I found, like, this- all this rare stuff 43 00:03:21,848 --> 00:03:23,577 that I totally wanted. 44 00:03:23,617 --> 00:03:27,678 And then I was just looking through one last bin... 45 00:03:27,721 --> 00:03:29,916 and I saw the original Pentagram record. 46 00:03:29,956 --> 00:03:32,322 It was just a purple logo against black. 47 00:03:32,359 --> 00:03:33,986 It kind of looks like garbage on the front. 48 00:03:34,027 --> 00:03:35,688 You turn it around, and there's this, like, 49 00:03:35,729 --> 00:03:37,788 scary-ass picture of the band. 50 00:03:37,831 --> 00:03:39,230 I was with my girlfriend at the time, 51 00:03:39,266 --> 00:03:41,734 and we were just, like, crazy record collectors 52 00:03:41,768 --> 00:03:43,668 and just go blow all our money on records and beer 53 00:03:43,703 --> 00:03:45,694 and then just have, like, Friday and Saturday night 54 00:03:45,739 --> 00:03:46,763 listening to records. 55 00:03:57,250 --> 00:03:58,979 Man, as soon as we put that on the turntable, 56 00:03:59,019 --> 00:04:00,577 that's like nothing I'd heard before. 57 00:04:00,620 --> 00:04:04,488 Really, I mean, it was just so fucking heavy. 58 00:04:04,524 --> 00:04:06,355 This was the only Pentagram that was released 59 00:04:06,393 --> 00:04:07,587 and the only one I knew of. 60 00:04:07,627 --> 00:04:09,492 I thought this was the beginning of Pentagram. 61 00:04:09,529 --> 00:04:11,394 I was working at an indie record label, 62 00:04:11,431 --> 00:04:13,831 and I was telling everybody about it that I knew, 63 00:04:13,867 --> 00:04:15,858 and someone said, "Oh, yeah, man. 64 00:04:15,902 --> 00:04:18,166 "I get stuff no one's even heard about before, 65 00:04:18,204 --> 00:04:19,899 from the '70s, heavy, hard rock. " 66 00:04:21,308 --> 00:04:22,775 I was like, "Come on, how can this be?" 67 00:04:22,809 --> 00:04:24,800 I was obsessed with this band. 68 00:04:27,013 --> 00:04:30,073 So he brings in this CD-R. 69 00:04:30,116 --> 00:04:31,174 Here it is, man, 70 00:04:31,217 --> 00:04:33,913 a record that literally changed my life. 71 00:04:33,954 --> 00:04:35,819 I couldn't wait, you know, just to get out of work 72 00:04:35,855 --> 00:04:37,220 and go home and listen to it. 73 00:04:37,257 --> 00:04:39,589 At that point, I was riding a bike to work, 74 00:04:39,626 --> 00:04:42,823 and I remember just riding home as fast as I could, you know? 75 00:04:42,862 --> 00:04:44,659 Just like a little kid from school. 76 00:04:44,698 --> 00:04:46,563 I rolled a joint- it was a special occasion. 77 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,067 I rolled a big joint. 78 00:04:54,307 --> 00:04:55,899 And that first song, Forever My Queen, 79 00:04:55,942 --> 00:04:59,878 I mean, just fucking phenomenal. 80 00:05:13,460 --> 00:05:14,893 - I couldn't believe it. 81 00:05:14,928 --> 00:05:16,691 Some of the best hard rock I've ever heard. 82 00:05:16,730 --> 00:05:19,995 I mean, lyrically, his vocal delivery. 83 00:05:20,033 --> 00:05:22,524 Just the guitar in it was out of control. 84 00:05:22,569 --> 00:05:24,764 I mean, for the early '70s, I couldn't believe it. 85 00:05:24,804 --> 00:05:27,295 And mostly, not only was it brilliant, 86 00:05:27,340 --> 00:05:31,071 but aside from that, why doesn't everyone talk about it? 87 00:05:42,389 --> 00:05:44,516 What's the equivalent of hearing something like this 88 00:05:44,557 --> 00:05:46,650 for someone who's just obsessed by music? 89 00:05:46,693 --> 00:05:49,662 It's a profession and their passion and their private life. 90 00:05:49,696 --> 00:05:52,130 It's... it's hard to explain. 91 00:05:52,165 --> 00:05:55,566 It's literally like being a devout Christian 92 00:05:55,602 --> 00:05:58,730 and walking down the street one day and bumping into Jesus, 93 00:05:58,772 --> 00:06:00,399 and he knows your name and shakes your hand 94 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,499 and asks you over for dinner and drinks. 95 00:06:02,542 --> 00:06:04,669 You know? 96 00:06:04,711 --> 00:06:06,338 And he calls you on the weekends to go out. 97 00:06:06,379 --> 00:06:08,677 I mean, I- I can't explain it. 98 00:06:08,715 --> 00:06:11,582 My whole life, I've just been obsessed by music. 99 00:06:11,618 --> 00:06:13,347 It's all I wanted to do with my life. 100 00:06:13,386 --> 00:06:15,445 And the only things that made me truly happy 101 00:06:15,488 --> 00:06:18,582 were finding an awesome record. 102 00:06:18,625 --> 00:06:21,093 I was just completely driven and obsessed. 103 00:06:21,127 --> 00:06:22,958 I mean, I was completely in love, 104 00:06:22,996 --> 00:06:24,156 and I just couldn't wait 105 00:06:24,197 --> 00:06:27,394 to make other people fall in love with this. 106 00:06:39,212 --> 00:06:41,737 - It was the perfect time for Bobby Liebling and Pentagram 107 00:06:41,781 --> 00:06:43,544 to kind of- to be rediscovered. 108 00:06:43,583 --> 00:06:45,380 I wouldn't even say they were a cult band. 109 00:06:45,418 --> 00:06:47,886 They were kind of a secret, at that point. 110 00:06:47,921 --> 00:06:49,616 But then there was all this interest 111 00:06:49,656 --> 00:06:51,419 in early '70s hard rock. 112 00:06:51,458 --> 00:06:53,187 There was a big stoner-rock thing. 113 00:06:53,226 --> 00:06:54,523 There were a lot of bands 114 00:06:54,561 --> 00:06:57,553 that just wanted to get that early '70s sound 115 00:06:57,597 --> 00:06:59,155 and then get back to the basics in metal. 116 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:00,996 All of a sudden, there's this band. 117 00:07:01,034 --> 00:07:03,502 Oh, you know, they have unlimited number 118 00:07:03,536 --> 00:07:06,300 of unreleased recordings from the 1970s, 119 00:07:06,339 --> 00:07:08,364 and there hasn't been, like, years and years 120 00:07:08,408 --> 00:07:10,239 of over-merchandising or marketing 121 00:07:10,276 --> 00:07:11,868 or anything like that. 122 00:07:11,911 --> 00:07:14,903 It was just like this caveman found, you know, 123 00:07:14,948 --> 00:07:16,745 frozen in the Swiss Alps somewhere 124 00:07:16,783 --> 00:07:19,047 that you cut out the block of ice and bring it out, 125 00:07:19,085 --> 00:07:22,816 and there's a specimen there that still has active DNA. 126 00:07:22,856 --> 00:07:26,348 Bobby Liebling is still that frozen guy. 127 00:07:39,072 --> 00:07:41,131 - If you see anything that says Pentagram, like, 128 00:07:41,174 --> 00:07:44,701 Liebling, Pentagram, blah-blah-blah project 129 00:07:44,744 --> 00:07:46,678 or any of that on the CDs, 130 00:07:46,713 --> 00:07:50,205 we will find, find for you guys, 'cause you must hear this. 131 00:07:50,250 --> 00:07:52,115 This is more important to me than any other shit. 132 00:07:52,152 --> 00:07:54,677 That's why you must hear the stuff. 133 00:08:03,763 --> 00:08:06,391 Hey, world premiere! 134 00:08:06,432 --> 00:08:08,764 VH1 in the trash heap. 135 00:08:23,049 --> 00:08:25,779 Oh, man, I know I'll play again. I can't help it. 136 00:08:25,819 --> 00:08:27,309 Look, I'm addicted. 137 00:08:27,353 --> 00:08:29,821 You know, it's like heroin. 138 00:08:29,856 --> 00:08:32,120 I can get up there and rock with the best of 'em. 139 00:08:35,528 --> 00:08:37,257 Cool E right here. 140 00:08:59,619 --> 00:09:01,849 - I thought he was very good when he was younger. 141 00:09:01,888 --> 00:09:04,288 I don't-you know, I didn't go to many of his shows. 142 00:09:04,324 --> 00:09:06,292 I didn't want to make him uncomfortable, 143 00:09:06,326 --> 00:09:08,294 but he did have a- 144 00:09:08,328 --> 00:09:10,421 Would you please get... 145 00:09:10,463 --> 00:09:11,896 Thank you. Excuse me. 146 00:09:11,931 --> 00:09:14,923 No, not just as a mother. I was very critical of him. 147 00:09:14,968 --> 00:09:17,095 But I thought he had a- 148 00:09:17,136 --> 00:09:20,867 just a natural instinct to perform. 149 00:09:20,907 --> 00:09:24,274 And you couldn't stop him, even if we wanted to, you know? 150 00:09:24,310 --> 00:09:26,938 It was sort of inborn. 151 00:09:26,980 --> 00:09:30,541 - Far superior than some of these real big bands 152 00:09:30,583 --> 00:09:31,743 that I've seen. 153 00:09:31,784 --> 00:09:35,151 Big guys that are making millions. 154 00:09:39,659 --> 00:09:41,889 - Have you ever done anything else besides rock and roll? 155 00:09:41,928 --> 00:09:44,158 - Nothin'. 156 00:09:50,169 --> 00:09:52,467 Yeah, this- drugs. 157 00:09:52,505 --> 00:09:55,906 Sex, drugs, rock and roll. 158 00:09:55,942 --> 00:09:57,068 Well, I mean, look at me. 159 00:09:57,110 --> 00:09:59,078 You know I'm an old soldier, right? 160 00:09:59,112 --> 00:10:01,580 I've been doing drugs 44 years. 161 00:10:01,614 --> 00:10:04,742 I've been addicted to heroin for 39. 162 00:10:04,784 --> 00:10:08,083 I've been addicted to crack for about 22. 163 00:10:08,121 --> 00:10:12,057 I've been in off-houses, detoxes. 164 00:10:12,091 --> 00:10:13,820 You know, that's why I smile and tell people, 165 00:10:13,860 --> 00:10:15,191 "I'm alive, man. " 166 00:10:15,228 --> 00:10:19,392 I'm not supposed to be alive. 167 00:10:19,432 --> 00:10:21,423 Uh, did you see where the piece of crack went? 168 00:10:21,467 --> 00:10:23,059 The big piece of crack? 169 00:10:23,102 --> 00:10:26,333 Oh, my God, look, there's- oh, no, that's a Band-Aid. 170 00:10:26,372 --> 00:10:28,169 - No, I know. It fell down into... 171 00:10:28,207 --> 00:10:31,074 - You saw it? I mean, the place is a hellhole. 172 00:10:31,110 --> 00:10:32,202 It's a shit-hole. 173 00:10:32,245 --> 00:10:33,803 It's a sloth house, and I hate it. 174 00:10:33,846 --> 00:10:35,177 That's why I want to get out, man. 175 00:10:35,214 --> 00:10:36,909 I don't like dirt, see? 176 00:10:36,950 --> 00:10:37,917 - You want to get out? 177 00:10:37,951 --> 00:10:38,940 - Believe it or not, yeah. 178 00:10:38,985 --> 00:10:40,111 Fucking A. I'm gonna get out. 179 00:10:40,153 --> 00:10:42,553 Are you kidding? 180 00:10:42,588 --> 00:10:45,079 That looks like rat poop. It's not- 181 00:11:08,681 --> 00:11:11,377 - He's been close to death ever since I've known him. 182 00:11:11,417 --> 00:11:13,612 I can't tell you how many times 183 00:11:13,653 --> 00:11:15,780 I get a message that he leaves in the middle of the night, 184 00:11:15,822 --> 00:11:17,585 saying good-bye. 185 00:11:17,623 --> 00:11:18,885 - He didn't live a hard life 186 00:11:18,925 --> 00:11:20,950 and then come back and try and write love songs. 187 00:11:20,994 --> 00:11:23,588 He wrote songs from the perspective of somebody 188 00:11:23,629 --> 00:11:28,657 that was metaphysically in the sub-basement. 189 00:11:28,701 --> 00:11:34,003 He's used that to make very harrowing, bone-chilling music. 190 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,942 - Man, I remember sitting at the side of a train track. 191 00:11:37,977 --> 00:11:40,002 This was, like, where I lived, side of a train tracks. 192 00:11:40,046 --> 00:11:41,809 I found a boom box in a dumpster, 193 00:11:41,848 --> 00:11:45,409 and the only tape I had was Be Forewarned. 194 00:11:45,451 --> 00:11:51,253 He speaks truths that not many people can see or know. 195 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:53,952 It's pain, and it's empowerment, 196 00:11:53,993 --> 00:11:57,759 and it's just all these things in one, purely from the heart. 197 00:11:57,797 --> 00:12:02,461 It's almost like, on a smaller scale, like my bible, you know? 198 00:12:11,444 --> 00:12:13,912 - The first time I ever saw footage of Bobby, 199 00:12:13,946 --> 00:12:15,379 I never seen nothing like it. 200 00:12:15,415 --> 00:12:16,541 He definitely understood 201 00:12:16,582 --> 00:12:19,210 the seductive powers of rock and roll, man, 202 00:12:19,252 --> 00:12:21,743 and he could just go from this textbook rock-and-roll guy 203 00:12:21,788 --> 00:12:24,518 and then all of a sudden just crouch down like the devil. 204 00:12:24,557 --> 00:12:25,888 You know, when you're a kid, man, 205 00:12:25,925 --> 00:12:28,018 that's about the fucking coolest thing you can see. 206 00:12:28,061 --> 00:12:30,256 So... 207 00:12:30,296 --> 00:12:32,764 - There's something about, I guess, the mystique of Bobby. 208 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:35,529 He just has that persona, you know, 209 00:12:35,568 --> 00:12:38,230 and that charisma that people just, like, latch on to. 210 00:12:38,271 --> 00:12:40,796 And then his drug addictions and things like that, 211 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,865 it's added to all that, 212 00:12:42,909 --> 00:12:44,934 but it's also a hell for a lot of people 213 00:12:44,977 --> 00:12:46,968 who've played in bands with him over the years. 214 00:12:47,013 --> 00:12:49,675 I mean, if you look on the Pentagram Myspace site, 215 00:12:49,715 --> 00:12:51,080 on the left column, 216 00:12:51,117 --> 00:12:53,108 it's got all the prior members of Pentagram, 217 00:12:53,152 --> 00:12:58,089 and it's, you know- it's, like, a list that long. 218 00:12:58,124 --> 00:13:00,615 - The potential's there, but, you know, 219 00:13:00,660 --> 00:13:02,389 there's certain personal things in his life 220 00:13:02,428 --> 00:13:04,988 that are keeping him from going all the way. 221 00:13:12,472 --> 00:13:13,496 - Even though I talked to him 222 00:13:13,539 --> 00:13:15,530 and seemed like it was a dead end, 223 00:13:15,575 --> 00:13:17,509 the guy's got some kind of fight in him. 224 00:13:17,543 --> 00:13:19,408 He's got a flame that won't go out, man. 225 00:13:19,445 --> 00:13:22,881 I wanted to start a fire with it, you know? 226 00:13:22,915 --> 00:13:26,612 So today we're headed down to, uh, see Bobby. 227 00:13:26,652 --> 00:13:29,177 Um... I have a toll coming up. 228 00:13:29,222 --> 00:13:30,985 Do you want to do this after the toll? 229 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:39,730 - Thank you. - Thanks. 230 00:13:44,036 --> 00:13:45,003 So today I'm gonna go down. 231 00:13:45,037 --> 00:13:47,028 I have notes and an outline 232 00:13:47,073 --> 00:13:51,032 of what I think the plan should be. 233 00:13:51,077 --> 00:13:52,567 And even if we get a contract signed 234 00:13:52,612 --> 00:13:55,103 and it takes us forever to start recording, 235 00:13:55,148 --> 00:13:56,740 shit can fall apart, man. 236 00:13:56,782 --> 00:13:58,750 So we really got to fucking move on it 237 00:13:58,784 --> 00:14:00,945 and move on it fast and make it happen. 238 00:14:00,987 --> 00:14:03,012 You know what, we're gonna get a fucking record made. 239 00:14:03,055 --> 00:14:04,044 God damn it. 240 00:14:04,090 --> 00:14:05,352 I hope. 241 00:14:05,391 --> 00:14:07,120 Practically speaking, the one thing I can do 242 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:09,822 for Pentagram and Bobby is give 'em good direction. 243 00:14:09,862 --> 00:14:11,159 And something I mentioned to him, 244 00:14:11,197 --> 00:14:12,596 like, "Bobby, you know what? 245 00:14:12,632 --> 00:14:14,998 You're fucking almost dead, man. Unfortunately, it sucks. " 246 00:14:15,034 --> 00:14:17,002 He tells me this all the time. 247 00:14:17,036 --> 00:14:20,528 "So you got one more shot to really make another big mark. " 248 00:14:20,573 --> 00:14:22,939 And that's what I really want to help Bobby do. 249 00:14:22,975 --> 00:14:24,169 It just has to happen. 250 00:14:24,210 --> 00:14:27,202 There's got to be a final finale chapter 251 00:14:27,246 --> 00:14:28,543 in the story of Bobby Liebling. 252 00:14:30,683 --> 00:14:32,651 I really think that you guys can do it 253 00:14:32,685 --> 00:14:37,622 and come back together and do a great record. 254 00:14:37,657 --> 00:14:38,954 I haven't even started 255 00:14:38,991 --> 00:14:40,959 negotiating the contract yet at all. 256 00:14:40,993 --> 00:14:42,790 It's just figuring out if they're interested, 257 00:14:42,828 --> 00:14:44,227 figuring out what they're willing to give 258 00:14:44,263 --> 00:14:45,628 for an advance. 259 00:14:45,665 --> 00:14:48,964 We also have to figure out Geof and Greg or whatever- 260 00:14:49,001 --> 00:14:51,026 are willing to be on the record. 261 00:14:51,070 --> 00:14:54,437 So part of the reason I want to go with Housecore, dude, 262 00:14:54,473 --> 00:15:00,105 is, Philip is the contemporary hard rock hero, right? 263 00:15:00,146 --> 00:15:02,080 You are the dude from the past. 264 00:15:02,114 --> 00:15:04,981 He's gonna bring you huge visibility. 265 00:15:05,017 --> 00:15:09,613 So what we need to do is, we're gonna lay out a budget 266 00:15:09,655 --> 00:15:11,054 that we're all gonna have to agree to 267 00:15:11,090 --> 00:15:13,991 and we're all gonna have to stick to, 268 00:15:14,026 --> 00:15:17,018 and I want to see this shit happen. 269 00:15:17,063 --> 00:15:18,496 I have too much time invested in it 270 00:15:18,531 --> 00:15:21,523 to not even follow through at this point. 271 00:15:21,567 --> 00:15:22,864 So what I'm gonna do is, 272 00:15:22,902 --> 00:15:25,029 I'm gonna record him Backlash, Suffering, 273 00:15:25,071 --> 00:15:26,504 and Everything's Turning To Night 274 00:15:26,539 --> 00:15:30,100 and hand it to him backstage at the Down show. 275 00:15:30,142 --> 00:15:31,939 But the other thing is- too is, 276 00:15:31,978 --> 00:15:36,074 it's my word I'm giving to them, you know? 277 00:15:36,115 --> 00:15:37,514 Before all this happens, 278 00:15:40,586 --> 00:15:42,577 and we're gonna go with it. 279 00:15:42,622 --> 00:15:45,591 So this, what I'm handing you is my final- 280 00:15:45,625 --> 00:15:47,957 my final effort to fucking help you 281 00:15:47,994 --> 00:15:52,693 and try to fucking put a great record on the history books. 282 00:15:52,732 --> 00:15:55,064 - You know what I want to do? I want to live. 283 00:15:55,101 --> 00:15:56,534 I want to live a little, man. 284 00:15:56,569 --> 00:15:57,934 - Well, here's the thing. 285 00:15:57,970 --> 00:15:59,835 - I want to live. I don't want to die anymore. 286 00:15:59,872 --> 00:16:01,669 - We do this record, bro, right? 287 00:16:01,707 --> 00:16:03,334 Hopefully, it'll help you get out of here. 288 00:16:03,376 --> 00:16:05,810 We're gonna figure out what we're gonna get for percentages, 289 00:16:05,845 --> 00:16:08,905 what your royalties are gonna be, all that stuff. 290 00:16:08,948 --> 00:16:11,416 - I have to eat. I have to make a living. 291 00:16:11,450 --> 00:16:12,712 I can't-I can't do this 292 00:16:12,752 --> 00:16:14,845 irresponsible, little, crying child trick forever. 293 00:16:14,887 --> 00:16:16,115 I can't. 294 00:16:16,155 --> 00:16:19,386 I've been Peter Pan my whole life, man. 295 00:16:19,425 --> 00:16:22,952 There's times you do something. 296 00:16:22,995 --> 00:16:24,462 I want me back. 297 00:16:24,497 --> 00:16:27,864 I'm tired of giving me out and giving up and running away. 298 00:16:27,900 --> 00:16:29,527 I run away with, you know, 299 00:16:29,568 --> 00:16:33,800 the old piece of glass, you know? 300 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:38,037 If I smoke any crack after today, you can have my records. 301 00:16:38,077 --> 00:16:39,135 How about that? 302 00:16:39,178 --> 00:16:41,169 I'll put it on the camera. 303 00:16:41,213 --> 00:16:45,411 - "If Robert Liebling smokes crack after today, 10/12/07, 304 00:16:45,451 --> 00:16:47,817 "Demian Fenton and Sean Pelletier 305 00:16:47,853 --> 00:16:51,983 will own Robert Liebling's entire record collection. " 306 00:16:52,024 --> 00:16:55,960 - Before you do it, it should say "1 B." 307 00:16:55,995 --> 00:17:01,456 Possession should take place only if, and after 9 days- 308 00:17:01,500 --> 00:17:04,162 90 days or whatever days, you know- 309 00:17:04,203 --> 00:17:06,068 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. 310 00:17:06,105 --> 00:17:07,367 It's up to you. I don't care. 311 00:17:07,406 --> 00:17:08,805 - We're not gonna take your records. 312 00:17:08,841 --> 00:17:10,331 We just want you to stop smoking crack. 313 00:17:10,376 --> 00:17:12,241 - Yeah, yeah. - Sign this. 314 00:17:12,278 --> 00:17:13,745 - No, but, you should put... 315 00:17:13,779 --> 00:17:16,373 - Do you want me to hold the crack when you sign that? 316 00:17:16,415 --> 00:17:17,848 - You know what I mean? 317 00:17:22,121 --> 00:17:23,520 - Throughout Pentagram's career, 318 00:17:23,556 --> 00:17:26,684 they've really come so close to really making it. 319 00:17:26,726 --> 00:17:28,387 - Our manager at the time, Gordon Fletcher, 320 00:17:28,427 --> 00:17:29,451 one of the two managers, 321 00:17:29,495 --> 00:17:31,019 knew a lot of people in the business, 322 00:17:31,063 --> 00:17:34,658 and he knew Gene and Paul in KISS. 323 00:17:34,700 --> 00:17:36,600 So we had this set up for them 324 00:17:36,635 --> 00:17:38,330 to come see one of our rehearsals. 325 00:17:38,371 --> 00:17:42,808 - It was in a basement of a house that I was living in. 326 00:17:42,842 --> 00:17:46,676 Wasn't really a heavy metal studio, let's say. 327 00:17:46,712 --> 00:17:49,510 - The day that KISS was going to be arriving, 328 00:17:49,548 --> 00:17:51,038 Greg and Vincent had to work, 329 00:17:51,083 --> 00:17:53,278 and they were working as janitors. 330 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:56,049 - So unfortunately, Vincent, a brilliant guitar player, 331 00:17:56,088 --> 00:17:57,817 and Greg, heavier-than-hell bass player, 332 00:17:57,857 --> 00:18:00,325 were off cleaning toilets. 333 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,587 I don't know. 334 00:18:01,627 --> 00:18:03,094 If KISS was coming to my house to watch my band, 335 00:18:03,129 --> 00:18:04,255 I would quit my fucking job. 336 00:18:04,296 --> 00:18:05,422 I wouldn't even go to- 337 00:18:05,464 --> 00:18:07,091 never mind going to work that day. 338 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,167 - So Gene and Paul show up. 339 00:18:17,209 --> 00:18:18,836 Toilet boys are still at work. 340 00:18:18,878 --> 00:18:20,846 Not only were they off cleaning toilets that day, 341 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:24,543 but they hitchhiked to work. 342 00:18:24,583 --> 00:18:25,550 - They didn't have a car. 343 00:18:25,584 --> 00:18:27,074 They had to hitchhike home 344 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,246 wearing some type of janitor-type outfit. 345 00:18:31,424 --> 00:18:33,415 - I guess we got off work, Vince and I did, 346 00:18:33,459 --> 00:18:35,120 and we got to the house. 347 00:18:35,161 --> 00:18:37,561 We're all grubby from being janitors. 348 00:18:42,368 --> 00:18:45,098 - The landlord, who I guess lived in the house, 349 00:18:45,137 --> 00:18:47,230 started bitching and complaining that it was too loud 350 00:18:47,273 --> 00:18:48,365 and had to shut down. 351 00:18:48,407 --> 00:18:49,465 - Came running. 352 00:18:49,508 --> 00:18:51,601 "Man, you guys got to turn it down!" 353 00:18:51,644 --> 00:18:54,943 And I'm like, "God damn it, man. KISS is here," you know? 354 00:18:54,980 --> 00:18:57,346 - Fucking KISS is in the house watching them play. 355 00:18:57,383 --> 00:18:59,681 You think they'd give the landlord something. 356 00:18:59,718 --> 00:19:01,447 Some peanut butter sandwiches and 25 bucks 357 00:19:01,487 --> 00:19:03,284 to fucking go away for the day. 358 00:19:03,322 --> 00:19:08,954 But, you know, so it was just- I guess it was just horrible. 359 00:19:08,994 --> 00:19:10,086 From what I hear, KISS, 360 00:19:10,129 --> 00:19:11,619 some of the things they said are, 361 00:19:11,664 --> 00:19:14,224 "Well, your name's Pentagram. There's only four of you. 362 00:19:14,266 --> 00:19:16,097 "The singer and the bass player have bad skin. 363 00:19:16,135 --> 00:19:18,330 The drummer's too fat. " 364 00:19:18,370 --> 00:19:19,632 And they blew it. 365 00:19:19,672 --> 00:19:21,469 I mean, should have taken the day off from work, 366 00:19:21,507 --> 00:19:23,202 fucking did a month of aerobics, 367 00:19:23,242 --> 00:19:25,540 fucking got some Oxy pads, you know? 368 00:19:37,656 --> 00:19:39,180 - Should I pull 'em out? 369 00:19:42,194 --> 00:19:45,721 Some Enchanted Evening. 370 00:19:45,764 --> 00:19:49,461 My son has the platinum Some Enchanted Evening. 371 00:19:49,502 --> 00:19:52,198 I'm told that the Johnny Winter is platinum. 372 00:19:52,238 --> 00:19:54,433 I'm told that Blue Oyster Cult๏ฟฝs first three records 373 00:19:54,473 --> 00:19:55,872 have gone gold, 374 00:19:55,908 --> 00:20:00,607 but Sony is too cheap to send me gold records. 375 00:20:00,646 --> 00:20:02,341 Uh, this is... 376 00:20:02,381 --> 00:20:06,750 I had done at least a couple of Blue Oyster Cult records. 377 00:20:06,785 --> 00:20:10,619 I was looking for the real thing to follow Blue Oyster Cult. 378 00:20:12,224 --> 00:20:17,389 Pentagram really seemed like sort of a street Black Sabbath. 379 00:20:17,429 --> 00:20:19,294 That was just what I was looking for, you know? 380 00:20:19,331 --> 00:20:23,961 I wanted the male-dominant thrust of heavy metal. 381 00:20:24,003 --> 00:20:26,563 But it sort of had a, "Fuck you and the horse you rode in on" 382 00:20:26,605 --> 00:20:28,072 kind of thing. 383 00:20:28,107 --> 00:20:31,474 Post-Page, pre-Sex Pistols. 384 00:20:31,510 --> 00:20:34,035 It was almost as though I'm sitting at a computer- 385 00:20:34,079 --> 00:20:35,808 if there were such things then- 386 00:20:35,848 --> 00:20:40,785 kind of generating this band that was perfect for 1974. 387 00:20:40,819 --> 00:20:44,653 I was ready to seriously, seriously commit to them. 388 00:20:48,594 --> 00:20:50,061 - Here was our big break. 389 00:20:50,095 --> 00:20:53,360 Columbia records is paying for us to go do a demo in New York. 390 00:20:53,399 --> 00:20:55,993 - And, you know, we're on the train to New York. 391 00:20:56,035 --> 00:20:58,595 Man, I'm seeing stars in my eyes. 392 00:20:58,637 --> 00:21:00,696 - We went into the studio and did three tracks 393 00:21:00,739 --> 00:21:03,207 with Murray Krugman producing it. 394 00:21:03,242 --> 00:21:06,211 - We get through all the rhythm tracks, 395 00:21:06,245 --> 00:21:09,043 and Bobby's laying down the vocals. 396 00:21:09,081 --> 00:21:10,708 - Bobby completed a vocal track, 397 00:21:10,749 --> 00:21:12,341 and Murray said, "Okay, that's fine. 398 00:21:12,384 --> 00:21:13,851 Come in and listen to it. " 399 00:21:13,886 --> 00:21:16,081 And Bobby says, "I'd like to- I'd like to redo that. 400 00:21:16,121 --> 00:21:19,147 There was a couple parts I wasn't really happy with. " 401 00:21:19,191 --> 00:21:20,590 Murray says, "Don't worry about it. 402 00:21:20,626 --> 00:21:22,651 We'll fix it in postproduction. Just-it was fine. " 403 00:21:22,695 --> 00:21:24,219 - We could have corrected that vocal, 404 00:21:24,263 --> 00:21:26,390 but there would have been some other thing 405 00:21:26,432 --> 00:21:30,095 where he's hearing a finished $200,000 record in his head 406 00:21:30,135 --> 00:21:34,868 and can't understand why an eight-hour demo 407 00:21:34,907 --> 00:21:36,898 isn't gonna give that to him. 408 00:21:36,942 --> 00:21:39,843 - And Bobby got real upset about it 409 00:21:39,878 --> 00:21:42,346 and called Gordon, who was our manager, 410 00:21:42,381 --> 00:21:44,849 out into the singing booth. 411 00:21:44,883 --> 00:21:48,182 - "Gordon, can I see you a minute?" 412 00:21:48,220 --> 00:21:50,188 Pain in the ass, I was. 413 00:21:50,222 --> 00:21:51,712 Called him out in the main room. 414 00:21:51,757 --> 00:21:56,660 Made sure I was by a live mic. 415 00:21:56,695 --> 00:22:00,791 I said, "What's this guy being such a fucking asshole for?" 416 00:22:00,833 --> 00:22:02,630 - Murray just got up, 417 00:22:02,668 --> 00:22:05,136 and, as I recall, he didn't say a word. 418 00:22:05,170 --> 00:22:06,535 Vincent thought he said we were 419 00:22:06,572 --> 00:22:08,870 the most difficult band to work with and walked out. 420 00:22:08,907 --> 00:22:10,636 I don't recall him saying anything. 421 00:22:10,676 --> 00:22:13,008 I just recall him getting up and walking out of the studio 422 00:22:13,045 --> 00:22:14,535 without saying a word. 423 00:22:14,580 --> 00:22:17,105 And we never talked to him again. 424 00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:20,141 - I felt like killing Bobby. 425 00:22:20,185 --> 00:22:21,652 - I've fantasized many, many times 426 00:22:21,687 --> 00:22:24,781 if Bobby had just said, "No problem," you know, 427 00:22:24,823 --> 00:22:28,088 and walked in and we'd listened back to the session. 428 00:22:28,127 --> 00:22:29,890 What would have happened the rest of that day? 429 00:22:29,928 --> 00:22:31,725 What would have happened the rest of that week? 430 00:22:31,764 --> 00:22:35,325 And what would have happened with the rest of our career? 431 00:22:35,367 --> 00:22:36,994 - We would have gotten a deal through them. 432 00:22:37,036 --> 00:22:38,663 No question. 433 00:22:38,704 --> 00:22:42,902 Record deal, national tour, fame, and fortune. 434 00:22:42,941 --> 00:22:46,672 It would have happened. 435 00:22:46,712 --> 00:22:50,842 There, but for the grace of God. 436 00:23:02,027 --> 00:23:03,824 - I used to say to him, 437 00:23:03,862 --> 00:23:06,228 "When I see you on Saturday Night Live, 438 00:23:06,265 --> 00:23:08,130 I'll know you made it. " 439 00:23:08,167 --> 00:23:10,658 And, you know, I've seen some lousy acts. 440 00:23:10,703 --> 00:23:12,830 That shocks me. 441 00:23:12,871 --> 00:23:14,634 Bobby, Pellet's here. 442 00:23:14,673 --> 00:23:15,765 - He... he's here? 443 00:23:15,808 --> 00:23:17,537 - Yeah. - Good lord. 444 00:23:17,576 --> 00:23:19,567 - Everybody in unison- 445 00:23:19,611 --> 00:23:21,602 I mean, total- 446 00:23:21,647 --> 00:23:22,807 "Move him out of your house. " 447 00:23:22,848 --> 00:23:24,645 - Everybody, everybody. 448 00:23:24,683 --> 00:23:26,412 I mean, to this day. 449 00:23:26,452 --> 00:23:28,579 There's always tons of laundry around here. 450 00:23:28,620 --> 00:23:29,609 I don't know. 451 00:23:29,655 --> 00:23:31,213 He can change three times a day. 452 00:23:31,256 --> 00:23:33,486 He's already changed twice today. 453 00:23:33,525 --> 00:23:35,117 He keeps spilling his coffee... 454 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,926 - Even now, everything that he has comes from us. 455 00:23:38,964 --> 00:23:43,697 - How much have you given for Bobby? 456 00:23:43,736 --> 00:23:46,569 - Financially? 457 00:23:46,605 --> 00:23:47,594 - I have... 458 00:23:47,639 --> 00:23:50,267 - Financially, over $1 million. 459 00:23:52,611 --> 00:23:55,045 - Thanks, appreciate it. 460 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,308 - All right, good. 461 00:23:56,348 --> 00:23:59,146 Brush your hair? 462 00:23:59,184 --> 00:24:00,879 - There's Fig Newtons, aren't there? 463 00:24:00,919 --> 00:24:02,045 Mom? 464 00:24:02,087 --> 00:24:03,520 There's Fig Newtons, aren't there? 465 00:24:03,555 --> 00:24:04,522 Yeah. 466 00:24:04,556 --> 00:24:05,580 - I've always been afraid 467 00:24:05,624 --> 00:24:07,524 that he'd either go out and steal 468 00:24:07,559 --> 00:24:09,049 or knock somebody. 469 00:24:09,094 --> 00:24:11,085 You don't know. Addicts are crazy. 470 00:24:11,130 --> 00:24:12,256 - It's a very tough thing. 471 00:24:12,297 --> 00:24:14,094 They call us enablers. 472 00:24:14,133 --> 00:24:16,499 I said, "Really? 473 00:24:16,535 --> 00:24:18,594 "Did you ever see my son? 474 00:24:18,637 --> 00:24:20,127 Do you know him?" 475 00:24:20,172 --> 00:24:21,139 "No. " 476 00:24:21,173 --> 00:24:23,539 "And you're in social services? 477 00:24:23,575 --> 00:24:28,137 Where is your sensitivity to people?" 478 00:24:28,180 --> 00:24:30,740 His brilliance in the music field 479 00:24:30,783 --> 00:24:34,810 has never been to fruition because of the problem. 480 00:24:34,853 --> 00:24:37,617 He has all this talent now. 481 00:24:37,656 --> 00:24:39,089 - Yes, he still has talent. 482 00:24:39,124 --> 00:24:40,557 - He has it. 483 00:24:40,592 --> 00:24:43,686 - Do you guys think that Bobby could stop doing drugs? 484 00:24:45,597 --> 00:24:49,124 - At this stage of the game, of anybody, you know, 485 00:24:49,168 --> 00:24:50,260 it's a prognosis question. 486 00:24:50,302 --> 00:24:52,668 - Yes, if he were out of pain. 487 00:24:52,704 --> 00:24:56,800 He's in a lot of pain that people don't realize that. 488 00:24:56,842 --> 00:25:00,334 And he also has, truthfully, a delusion 489 00:25:00,379 --> 00:25:03,974 that he has a parasitic infection. 490 00:25:04,016 --> 00:25:11,115 Bobby's not insane, but he can act insane with the coke. 491 00:25:11,156 --> 00:25:13,317 - My fingers turn black every night. 492 00:25:13,358 --> 00:25:14,325 There, it's starting now. 493 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,156 That's not from the coke. 494 00:25:16,195 --> 00:25:18,720 That's all parasites. 495 00:25:18,764 --> 00:25:21,028 See those dots that look like dots embedded? 496 00:25:21,066 --> 00:25:22,124 - Mm-hmm. 497 00:25:22,167 --> 00:25:24,635 - All of them. 498 00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:26,297 Did you see my lips? 499 00:25:26,338 --> 00:25:27,532 They're not chapped. 500 00:25:27,573 --> 00:25:29,473 Come here. 501 00:25:29,508 --> 00:25:30,805 See the line along the bottom? 502 00:25:30,843 --> 00:25:32,777 - Mm-hmm. - That's all parasites. 503 00:25:36,481 --> 00:25:38,278 See all that black? 504 00:25:38,317 --> 00:25:40,182 Those are all parasites. 505 00:25:40,219 --> 00:25:42,449 - Holy fuck, man. - Yeah. 506 00:25:42,487 --> 00:25:44,318 - Never saw it, huh? 507 00:25:44,356 --> 00:25:49,020 15 years I've had to live with that. 508 00:25:49,061 --> 00:25:52,690 - See, when he starts pulling his skin, 509 00:25:52,731 --> 00:25:56,167 he does what he thinks- he calls, "debriding. " 510 00:25:56,201 --> 00:25:57,668 He'll pull at it 511 00:25:57,703 --> 00:25:59,830 and put it on a piece of paper towel 512 00:25:59,872 --> 00:26:01,897 and pull out his magnifying glass, 513 00:26:01,940 --> 00:26:03,373 and he'll come- 514 00:26:03,408 --> 00:26:05,399 "You never want to look. You never want to look. " 515 00:26:05,444 --> 00:26:09,005 I said, "I've spent 10,000 hours looking, Bobby. 516 00:26:09,047 --> 00:26:11,811 It's not bugs. It's dead skin. " 517 00:26:11,850 --> 00:26:14,819 If he didn't pick his arms, 518 00:26:14,853 --> 00:26:16,150 I know they'd heal, 519 00:26:16,188 --> 00:26:19,521 and I know everything would be fine. 520 00:26:19,558 --> 00:26:20,650 - It's a fact. 521 00:26:20,692 --> 00:26:26,597 I have something unknown that is parasitic. 522 00:26:26,632 --> 00:26:28,998 - Truth is that she said you've been to the hospital 523 00:26:29,034 --> 00:26:30,592 about 50 times since you lived here. 524 00:26:30,636 --> 00:26:32,069 - Mm-hmm. 525 00:26:32,104 --> 00:26:34,334 - We're gonna be there for eight hours in the waiting room, 526 00:26:34,373 --> 00:26:36,068 and they're gonna let you out. 527 00:26:36,108 --> 00:26:40,067 Unless you go there and say you want to go to detox, 528 00:26:40,112 --> 00:26:41,545 and then they'll admit you. 529 00:26:41,580 --> 00:26:44,344 - They're not gonna treat me for this in detox. 530 00:26:44,383 --> 00:26:46,476 - I've watched you smoke a fuckload of crack right now. 531 00:26:46,518 --> 00:26:47,815 - Mm-hmm. - It's in your blood. 532 00:26:47,853 --> 00:26:49,377 - Mm-hmm. - They're gonna get you in. 533 00:26:49,421 --> 00:26:51,321 Then once you're in there, you're away from this, 534 00:26:51,356 --> 00:26:52,584 maybe you can heal more. 535 00:26:52,624 --> 00:26:54,421 - I want to go to the hospital, 536 00:26:54,459 --> 00:26:58,361 not that I want to go in rehab. 537 00:26:58,397 --> 00:27:00,331 I want to go to the hospital, 538 00:27:00,365 --> 00:27:03,129 because if I'm not treated for this, 539 00:27:03,168 --> 00:27:05,659 I'm gonna die. 540 00:27:17,282 --> 00:27:19,250 It makes me nasty. 541 00:27:19,284 --> 00:27:22,117 It makes me confused. 542 00:27:22,154 --> 00:27:24,679 Probably 'cause it's eating my organs away. 543 00:27:24,723 --> 00:27:29,888 Probably 'cause it is eating my brain. 544 00:27:29,928 --> 00:27:32,453 All I do is cry all night 545 00:27:32,497 --> 00:27:35,227 and pray to God to die. 546 00:27:42,307 --> 00:27:45,470 - I've taken Bobby here a few times. 547 00:27:45,510 --> 00:27:50,106 I know he's intent on getting his hands and arms addressed 548 00:27:50,148 --> 00:27:53,515 and that rehab is a secondary solution. 549 00:27:53,552 --> 00:27:56,646 And as far as what he was saying 30 minutes ago, 550 00:27:56,688 --> 00:28:00,715 suicide being the third solution. 551 00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,853 I don't-I wish he wasn't going through any of this, 552 00:28:03,895 --> 00:28:06,386 but there's nothing that I can do 553 00:28:06,431 --> 00:28:09,889 except just support him, you know? 554 00:28:09,935 --> 00:28:11,698 You know, Bobby would be the first to tell you, 555 00:28:11,737 --> 00:28:13,034 years back, 556 00:28:13,071 --> 00:28:15,005 he kind of made that deal with the devil, right? 557 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,065 He kind of sold his soul, 558 00:28:17,109 --> 00:28:18,940 and he's fighting like hell to steal it back 559 00:28:18,977 --> 00:28:22,413 one piece at a time. 560 00:28:22,447 --> 00:28:24,312 - So what are they gonna do? 561 00:28:29,821 --> 00:28:31,982 'Cause I feel comfortable in these places 562 00:28:32,024 --> 00:28:34,584 more than I do in my own home. 563 00:28:34,626 --> 00:28:36,116 I like hospitals. 564 00:28:36,161 --> 00:28:39,358 That's sick, but I love hospitals. 565 00:28:39,398 --> 00:28:42,890 Pellet has been- has been like a god to me. 566 00:28:42,934 --> 00:28:44,401 He's basically a godsend. 567 00:28:44,436 --> 00:28:45,869 I love him. I love all you guys. 568 00:28:45,904 --> 00:28:48,498 You know, for coming here. 569 00:28:48,540 --> 00:28:50,770 Thank you very, very much. 570 00:28:56,048 --> 00:28:59,017 - On Sundays, we'd take him to this little deli, 571 00:28:59,051 --> 00:29:01,417 and they had a jukebox. 572 00:29:01,453 --> 00:29:04,183 There, he was only a year and a half there. 573 00:29:04,222 --> 00:29:06,349 So he'd go over there and bounce to it, 574 00:29:06,391 --> 00:29:07,790 and he'd turn around. 575 00:29:10,829 --> 00:29:13,923 He sang Tennessee Ernie Ford. 576 00:29:13,965 --> 00:29:19,426 And everybody, "Look at that little boy," you know? 577 00:29:19,471 --> 00:29:21,769 He had quite a good childhood. 578 00:29:21,807 --> 00:29:24,708 - He had an excellent childhood. 579 00:29:24,743 --> 00:29:28,042 - Later teens, he used to walk in the door. 580 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,742 He'd step in that door right away. 581 00:29:30,782 --> 00:29:33,250 Before he even saw him, he'd yell out, 582 00:29:33,285 --> 00:29:35,116 "Did you cut your hair?" 583 00:29:35,153 --> 00:29:37,747 That was, I mean, every night. 584 00:29:37,789 --> 00:29:40,917 That's when they kind of had a little parting, 585 00:29:40,959 --> 00:29:45,191 because of his hair and lifestyle and so forth. 586 00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:49,758 A lot of Bobby's problems I believe, subconsciously, 587 00:29:49,801 --> 00:29:54,829 is an innate competitive thing with his father. 588 00:29:54,873 --> 00:29:57,364 - I think she's right. She's right in that. 589 00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:59,536 She's right in that. 590 00:29:59,578 --> 00:30:02,945 I worked for eight secretaries of defense. 591 00:30:02,981 --> 00:30:05,711 Originally appointed by President Johnson, 592 00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:12,053 kept on by Nixon and by President Ford. 593 00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:16,459 Where the hell did you find that? 594 00:30:16,495 --> 00:30:20,056 I always looked up to people 595 00:30:20,098 --> 00:30:24,091 who were in our society. 596 00:30:24,136 --> 00:30:27,799 Very, very responsible. 597 00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:33,209 And I want my son to have been like that. 598 00:30:33,245 --> 00:30:34,337 - Joe, but he's not. 599 00:30:34,379 --> 00:30:36,643 - I can't do anything about it now. 600 00:30:40,418 --> 00:30:43,478 - What I want for Bobby, just for him to be happy. 601 00:30:43,522 --> 00:30:44,580 - Just for him to be- 602 00:30:44,623 --> 00:30:46,853 - To find a good woman. 603 00:30:46,892 --> 00:30:48,553 - Two different categories. 604 00:30:48,593 --> 00:30:50,254 - Why? He needs that, Joe. 605 00:30:50,295 --> 00:30:52,923 - I just want him to be well. 606 00:30:52,964 --> 00:30:55,524 Within the range of normalcy. 607 00:30:55,567 --> 00:30:58,502 With that, of course, goes then to societal things 608 00:30:58,537 --> 00:31:00,164 that she's talking about. 609 00:31:18,123 --> 00:31:20,353 - To play the next message, press one. 610 00:31:21,526 --> 00:31:22,857 - Hey, Dem. It's Pellet. 611 00:31:22,894 --> 00:31:24,452 Listen, I'm just giving you a quick call. 612 00:31:24,496 --> 00:31:25,758 I finally heard from Bobby 613 00:31:25,797 --> 00:31:28,960 after weeks of him being missing in action. 614 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,025 He's been in Philadelphia, of all places. 615 00:31:31,069 --> 00:31:34,835 Dude, he met some young hot girl named Hallie, 616 00:31:34,873 --> 00:31:37,171 and he's been up here spending time with her. 617 00:31:37,209 --> 00:31:39,507 She supposedly is not a drug addict. 618 00:31:39,544 --> 00:31:40,909 I'm not sure what the whole deal is, 619 00:31:40,946 --> 00:31:43,005 but I just thought I'd tell you. 620 00:31:43,048 --> 00:31:45,141 It looks llike there's gonna be some forward motion, 621 00:31:45,183 --> 00:31:46,810 'cause he's psyched and really positive. 622 00:31:46,851 --> 00:31:48,284 Give me a call when you get this, okay? 623 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,844 See ya. 624 00:31:49,888 --> 00:31:51,719 - This message will be saved. 625 00:31:56,161 --> 00:31:59,187 - The way he met her, from what I understand, is, 626 00:31:59,231 --> 00:32:00,357 she was a fan. 627 00:32:00,398 --> 00:32:02,389 They were speaking on the phone quite a bit, 628 00:32:02,434 --> 00:32:05,164 so she came one time with her cousin. 629 00:32:05,203 --> 00:32:08,969 Then a couple of weeks later, she invited him to visit. 630 00:32:09,007 --> 00:32:10,474 And that's how it started. 631 00:32:10,508 --> 00:32:14,000 He's been going to Philly nearly every weekend. 632 00:32:14,045 --> 00:32:20,507 Do you have an elevator at 201 South 13th? 633 00:32:20,552 --> 00:32:24,716 He got an apartment-we got him an apartment, I should say- 634 00:32:24,756 --> 00:32:28,556 in Philadelphia, just a few blocks from her. 635 00:32:28,593 --> 00:32:31,118 So he'll have to come in through the front? 636 00:32:31,162 --> 00:32:35,121 Is it wide? Because he has a very wide sofa. 637 00:32:35,166 --> 00:32:37,657 Apparently, they're in love. 638 00:32:37,702 --> 00:32:39,636 Or whatever, you know? 639 00:32:41,139 --> 00:32:43,107 I don't know if it's- I shouldn't say this- 640 00:32:43,141 --> 00:32:44,665 in love or in lust, but... 641 00:33:03,728 --> 00:33:05,855 - Yeah, I was very, very lonely down here for a long time, 642 00:33:05,897 --> 00:33:08,957 but, uh, I'm not lonely anymore 643 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,027 because I have a- very much a purpose, you know? 644 00:33:13,071 --> 00:33:16,097 Perfect time to meet Hallie. 645 00:33:16,141 --> 00:33:18,974 About time somebody loved Bob for Bob again. 646 00:33:19,010 --> 00:33:22,844 There's been nobody a long time who's loved Bob for Bob. 647 00:33:22,881 --> 00:33:25,213 Nobody loves me like Hallie. Nobody. 648 00:33:25,250 --> 00:33:28,048 I've never loved a woman like Hallie in my life. 649 00:33:28,086 --> 00:33:31,715 Never in my life and never will again. 650 00:33:31,756 --> 00:33:33,553 - He's got to take winter boots. 651 00:33:33,591 --> 00:33:35,491 I don't care what he says. 652 00:33:35,527 --> 00:33:36,494 Are they that bad? 653 00:33:36,528 --> 00:33:38,689 They're dorky, he says. 654 00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:40,197 Just for the snow. 655 00:33:40,231 --> 00:33:42,791 Are they that dorky? 656 00:33:42,834 --> 00:33:44,665 Huh? 657 00:33:49,274 --> 00:33:51,936 Tell him he needs some lamps. 658 00:33:51,976 --> 00:33:53,136 - I got everything like that. 659 00:33:53,178 --> 00:33:55,373 - You got the coconut oil. 660 00:33:55,413 --> 00:33:58,280 - Don't worry about that. 661 00:33:58,316 --> 00:33:59,408 - All right, where is it? 662 00:34:15,667 --> 00:34:17,498 - You know that fire that just started? 663 00:34:17,535 --> 00:34:20,163 Right as the flames hit the stove, 664 00:34:20,205 --> 00:34:23,800 this fell off Bob's neck. 665 00:34:23,842 --> 00:34:26,242 Now, how fucking weird is that? 666 00:34:26,277 --> 00:34:27,801 That's weird. 667 00:34:27,846 --> 00:34:28,904 'Cause you were here- 668 00:34:28,947 --> 00:34:30,938 Them flames came out of nowhere, right? 669 00:34:30,982 --> 00:34:32,677 Out of fucking nowhere. 670 00:34:32,717 --> 00:34:35,777 This popped right off his neck right as the fire started. 671 00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:37,378 Do the math. 672 00:34:39,791 --> 00:34:41,224 One bad omen after another, dude. 673 00:34:41,259 --> 00:34:42,851 I don't know. 674 00:34:42,894 --> 00:34:46,694 I think Bobby might just be back. 675 00:34:46,731 --> 00:34:48,494 I hope this girl is everything he thinks, man. 676 00:34:48,533 --> 00:34:49,693 I don't know her. 677 00:34:49,734 --> 00:34:51,031 Yeah, I hope it works out. 678 00:34:51,069 --> 00:34:55,972 But between the cross breaking and the fire, the snow, 679 00:34:56,007 --> 00:34:58,669 fucking... I'm starting to wonder, man. 680 00:35:04,048 --> 00:35:06,983 - All right, I'll see you later. 681 00:35:07,018 --> 00:35:08,178 - Good luck. - Wish me luck. 682 00:35:08,219 --> 00:35:10,949 - Make it. - Yeah, I'm gonna make it. 683 00:35:10,989 --> 00:35:13,787 There ain't no question about that. 684 00:35:13,825 --> 00:35:16,293 - Are you boxed in? 685 00:35:18,263 --> 00:35:19,525 - We'll see you again, all right? 686 00:35:19,564 --> 00:35:21,794 - Drive careful. - Love you! 687 00:35:27,972 --> 00:35:31,464 - Oh, boy. 688 00:35:31,509 --> 00:35:34,603 I just hope he's happy, that's all. 689 00:35:34,646 --> 00:35:37,672 Hope he's happy. 690 00:36:00,071 --> 00:36:02,096 - So today is Bobby's birthday. 691 00:36:02,140 --> 00:36:03,300 He loves carrot cake. 692 00:36:03,341 --> 00:36:06,936 He gets an annual carrot cake every year. 693 00:36:06,978 --> 00:36:09,139 There's no room to write, "Happy birthday, Bobby" 694 00:36:09,180 --> 00:36:11,307 without interfering with the carrot symmetry, 695 00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:13,977 so we're just gonna go with a Pentagram 696 00:36:14,018 --> 00:36:16,612 with maybe a 54 in the middle. 697 00:36:16,654 --> 00:36:18,918 I guess, uh, I get a little leeway 698 00:36:18,957 --> 00:36:21,482 since I'm not a decorator. 699 00:36:21,526 --> 00:36:23,824 - I think 54's not that old. - Huh? 700 00:36:23,862 --> 00:36:25,352 - 54's not that old. 701 00:36:25,396 --> 00:36:26,658 - No, I don't know, is it? 702 00:36:26,698 --> 00:36:28,165 - I mean, it's old. 703 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:29,257 Get out of here! 704 00:36:29,300 --> 00:36:31,029 - But it's not that old. 705 00:36:31,069 --> 00:36:34,061 At first glance, when people see me and Bobby 706 00:36:34,105 --> 00:36:35,629 walking down the street together, 707 00:36:35,673 --> 00:36:38,141 they either think, A, he's my father, 708 00:36:38,176 --> 00:36:40,144 or, B, he's my sugar daddy 709 00:36:40,178 --> 00:36:42,646 or, you know, a pimp or something like that. 710 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,410 But he's an endearing person, 711 00:36:45,450 --> 00:36:48,783 and I'm certainly not in it for the money, 712 00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:50,515 because he has none. 713 00:36:50,555 --> 00:36:54,116 And I just- I enjoy his company. 714 00:36:54,158 --> 00:36:57,753 I feel very kindred to him, regardless of the age gap. 715 00:36:57,795 --> 00:36:59,956 My cousin and I had a theory that he and his mother 716 00:36:59,998 --> 00:37:01,397 were the same person, 717 00:37:01,432 --> 00:37:03,832 like an Anthony Perkins, like, Psycho sort of thing. 718 00:37:03,868 --> 00:37:05,733 You're gonna have us, like, locked in a closet 719 00:37:05,770 --> 00:37:09,570 with your mother's corpse. 720 00:37:09,607 --> 00:37:11,541 I don't find that I have anything in common 721 00:37:11,576 --> 00:37:13,100 with guys my age. 722 00:37:13,144 --> 00:37:15,704 I've always liked, since I was young, 723 00:37:15,747 --> 00:37:18,477 in terms of looks, 724 00:37:18,516 --> 00:37:20,507 guys that have, you know, goofy features, 725 00:37:20,552 --> 00:37:21,576 like caricature features, 726 00:37:21,619 --> 00:37:24,713 and I just have an odd taste in men. 727 00:37:24,756 --> 00:37:25,780 That's just the way it is. 728 00:37:25,823 --> 00:37:27,313 - All right, Bobby! 729 00:37:27,358 --> 00:37:29,087 - Who bought the candles? 730 00:37:29,127 --> 00:37:31,186 It has a freaking pentagram on it. 731 00:37:31,229 --> 00:37:33,254 No, wait, hold on- 732 00:37:33,298 --> 00:37:35,061 The change is pretty massive. 733 00:37:35,099 --> 00:37:39,866 To my understanding, he was smoking toxic amounts of crack. 734 00:37:39,904 --> 00:37:41,394 - Make a wish. 735 00:37:41,439 --> 00:37:43,566 - He went from that to this 736 00:37:43,608 --> 00:37:46,702 and has smoked no crack since he moved to Philly. 737 00:37:46,744 --> 00:37:48,075 - Whoo! 738 00:37:52,116 --> 00:37:55,882 - He's been through so much more life than me. 739 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,615 But it's the kind of, like, life 740 00:37:57,655 --> 00:37:59,850 where you don't really grow as a person. 741 00:37:59,891 --> 00:38:03,019 He's kind of remained frozen in time, a little bit, 742 00:38:03,061 --> 00:38:05,052 and I kind of like that about him. 743 00:38:05,096 --> 00:38:07,064 I mean, in his heart, too, 744 00:38:07,098 --> 00:38:08,929 he'll always be young, I think. 745 00:38:08,967 --> 00:38:10,628 You look good in those pants. 746 00:38:10,668 --> 00:38:12,260 He looks pretty. 747 00:38:12,303 --> 00:38:15,238 - Long as she can say that, that's okay by me, baby. 748 00:38:15,273 --> 00:38:17,002 I'm doing all right then. 749 00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:18,201 Now I'm still here. 750 00:38:18,242 --> 00:38:20,710 If I can have someone as beautiful as this 751 00:38:20,745 --> 00:38:22,508 say I'm pretty, 752 00:38:22,547 --> 00:38:26,108 something's happening here. 753 00:38:33,257 --> 00:38:35,817 - And now it's so crazy watching, you know, him 754 00:38:35,860 --> 00:38:38,420 in this short amount of time 755 00:38:38,463 --> 00:38:41,523 grow up and make up for the time 756 00:38:41,566 --> 00:38:44,626 where his growth was, like, really stunted. 757 00:38:44,669 --> 00:38:48,161 Stuff where he would have no clue what to do before, 758 00:38:48,206 --> 00:38:51,539 like his debit card, checking account, 759 00:38:51,576 --> 00:38:53,066 the social security card, 760 00:38:53,111 --> 00:38:56,103 he doesn't have a problem with that stuff anymore. 761 00:38:56,147 --> 00:38:58,172 He's gotten the hang of it. 762 00:38:58,216 --> 00:39:00,980 - I don't miss him. I really don't. 763 00:39:01,019 --> 00:39:03,954 There's a nice sense of peace now. 764 00:39:03,988 --> 00:39:05,216 - I do, a great deal. 765 00:39:05,256 --> 00:39:06,951 - He misses him terribly. 766 00:39:06,991 --> 00:39:08,925 - A great deal. 767 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:13,192 The fact that he is using whatever strength he has left 768 00:39:13,231 --> 00:39:17,861 to preserve whatever self-confidence he has 769 00:39:17,902 --> 00:39:21,360 is something that I am proud of. 770 00:39:21,406 --> 00:39:26,810 He commented on the phone for the first time today, actually, 771 00:39:26,844 --> 00:39:29,176 "I love you, Dad. " 772 00:39:29,213 --> 00:39:31,909 - It's amazing, the transformation in this guy. 773 00:39:31,949 --> 00:39:33,940 He looks good. He sounds good. 774 00:39:33,985 --> 00:39:36,977 It's the person I thought or hoped I'd be dealing with 775 00:39:37,021 --> 00:39:39,489 from the get-go. 776 00:39:39,524 --> 00:39:41,651 He's been jamming with other musicians. 777 00:39:41,693 --> 00:39:43,251 He just seems kind of more focused 778 00:39:43,294 --> 00:39:45,956 and definitely more in touch with music lately. 779 00:39:45,997 --> 00:39:47,521 - The Hallie situation, 780 00:39:47,565 --> 00:39:49,430 I hate to talk so much about it, 781 00:39:49,467 --> 00:39:54,700 but it is really that integral in my life. 782 00:39:54,739 --> 00:39:57,435 Hallie Liebling. 783 00:39:57,475 --> 00:40:01,809 I got mad love for Hallie Liebling. 784 00:40:01,846 --> 00:40:04,644 Yep. She's gonna be my Liebling. 785 00:40:04,682 --> 00:40:06,479 She's my little Liebling. 786 00:40:16,127 --> 00:40:18,391 - We're about three hours and 45 minutes from Los Angeles. 787 00:40:18,429 --> 00:40:20,522 Finally going to meet the infamous Geof O'Keefe 788 00:40:20,565 --> 00:40:21,759 after talking to him for- 789 00:40:21,799 --> 00:40:24,996 gosh, I don't know, 71/2 years now? 790 00:40:25,036 --> 00:40:26,094 When you're in a record store 791 00:40:26,137 --> 00:40:28,105 and you pick up that record, man, 792 00:40:28,139 --> 00:40:29,902 you just almost don't know what you're in for. 793 00:40:29,941 --> 00:40:32,136 Not only is it a journey of the mind, 794 00:40:32,176 --> 00:40:34,974 but sometimes it's a real exodus, man. 795 00:40:37,381 --> 00:40:38,871 I fell in love with this band, 796 00:40:38,916 --> 00:40:42,215 and now I feel like I'm kind of becoming part of the story. 797 00:40:42,253 --> 00:40:43,618 It's a friggin' honor. 798 00:40:43,654 --> 00:40:45,622 I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. 799 00:40:45,656 --> 00:40:48,454 Bobby makes my fucking hair fall out. 800 00:40:48,493 --> 00:40:50,393 I'm telling you, dude. 801 00:40:50,428 --> 00:40:52,953 But at the end of the day, it's gonna be worth it, you know? 802 00:40:52,997 --> 00:40:54,464 It really is. 803 00:40:54,499 --> 00:40:55,693 Fucking psyched. 804 00:40:55,733 --> 00:40:57,598 People are gonna be able to dig a new record, man. 805 00:40:57,635 --> 00:40:59,432 That's kick-ass enough for me. 806 00:40:59,470 --> 00:41:01,062 Geof is such an important part 807 00:41:01,105 --> 00:41:02,800 of the formation of this awesome band. 808 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,741 I'm hoping we really get Geof excited about it as well, 809 00:41:05,777 --> 00:41:09,941 and he's willing to, you know, deal with Bobby 810 00:41:09,981 --> 00:41:11,243 and forget about the past 811 00:41:11,282 --> 00:41:13,477 or deal with some of the bullshit for the greater good, 812 00:41:13,518 --> 00:41:15,952 which is gonna be an awesome new Pentagram record 813 00:41:15,987 --> 00:41:17,921 from the-with the original members, you know? 814 00:41:17,955 --> 00:41:19,081 And new members too. 815 00:41:44,615 --> 00:41:46,014 - "Pentagram has not only developed 816 00:41:46,050 --> 00:41:48,211 "a small but faithful following in the Washington area, 817 00:41:48,252 --> 00:41:50,550 but major record companies have also taken an interest. " 818 00:41:50,588 --> 00:41:52,783 Well... 819 00:41:52,824 --> 00:41:56,191 Think it was a bar of soap from Ramada Inn, New York City 820 00:41:56,227 --> 00:41:58,821 when we did that Columbia Records session. 821 00:41:58,863 --> 00:42:00,455 So I'm guessing... 822 00:42:00,498 --> 00:42:01,726 - Yeah, it smells like failure. 823 00:42:01,766 --> 00:42:04,826 Oh, man. 824 00:42:04,869 --> 00:42:06,598 Bobby and my special project, 825 00:42:06,637 --> 00:42:09,731 The Douche Bags by The Douche Bags. 826 00:42:09,774 --> 00:42:11,503 - "A friend told me he heard from a connection 827 00:42:11,542 --> 00:42:14,670 "that Bobby left and Pentagram now has a female singer. 828 00:42:14,712 --> 00:42:16,839 "If this is true, I'm doomed. 829 00:42:16,881 --> 00:42:18,781 "It seems unlikely, but anything's possible. 830 00:42:18,816 --> 00:42:20,249 Christ, I got to know. " 831 00:42:20,284 --> 00:42:21,808 - "These two talented musicians make up 832 00:42:21,853 --> 00:42:24,219 "one of the most successful and popular bands today. 833 00:42:24,255 --> 00:42:25,381 "Between the two of them, 834 00:42:25,423 --> 00:42:26,981 "they play a wide range of instruments: 835 00:42:27,024 --> 00:42:29,515 bass, lead guitar, drums, female organ, and leslies. " 836 00:42:30,761 --> 00:42:32,422 "We'd like to wreak metal havoc in Britain. 837 00:42:32,463 --> 00:42:33,589 "The only problem so far is, 838 00:42:33,631 --> 00:42:36,031 we can't get out of Washington. " 839 00:42:36,067 --> 00:42:38,092 - "Pentagram closed the show with a nightcap. 840 00:42:38,135 --> 00:42:40,126 "Any finesse got crushed and pushed aside 841 00:42:40,171 --> 00:42:42,901 by a boring tidal wave of sound. " 842 00:42:44,775 --> 00:42:47,642 Well, this just shows where things had ended. 843 00:42:47,678 --> 00:42:49,168 December '76. 844 00:42:49,213 --> 00:42:50,612 "Singer wanted. 845 00:42:50,648 --> 00:42:51,774 "Former members of Pentagram 846 00:42:51,816 --> 00:42:53,943 "require a singer of professional caliber 847 00:42:53,985 --> 00:42:56,351 "in the David Coverdale/ Paul Rodgers mold. 848 00:42:56,387 --> 00:42:59,356 We do not want a singer with an ego problem. " 849 00:43:02,326 --> 00:43:06,786 I met Bobby Liebling in probably 1967, '68. 850 00:43:06,831 --> 00:43:09,026 I noticed that he was carrying record albums with him 851 00:43:09,066 --> 00:43:10,658 a lot of times on the school bus, 852 00:43:10,701 --> 00:43:14,933 and I was just starting to get into cool music. 853 00:43:14,972 --> 00:43:17,805 He was playing in a band at the time called Shades of Darkness. 854 00:43:17,842 --> 00:43:20,276 He was doing stuff that I was only dreaming about- 855 00:43:20,311 --> 00:43:24,748 playing in bands and going out with girls and all this stuff. 856 00:43:24,782 --> 00:43:28,878 So I really kind of idolized this guy. 857 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,047 Coming out of the psychedelic hippie '60s 858 00:43:31,088 --> 00:43:32,316 and going into the '70s, 859 00:43:32,356 --> 00:43:35,018 it was really a sense of artistic freedom, 860 00:43:35,059 --> 00:43:36,219 like there were no boundaries. 861 00:43:36,260 --> 00:43:37,420 We could do what we wanted, 862 00:43:37,461 --> 00:43:40,897 wanting to make music and make movies. 863 00:43:40,932 --> 00:43:42,991 We weren't conscious of being in any type 864 00:43:43,034 --> 00:43:45,298 of situation or artistic environment. 865 00:43:45,336 --> 00:43:47,827 We just knew we wanted to do what we wanted to do. 866 00:43:51,943 --> 00:43:53,706 I have really good memories of Bobby 867 00:43:53,744 --> 00:43:56,770 from a certain period of time to a certain period of time. 868 00:43:56,814 --> 00:43:58,406 And then bad things started to happen, 869 00:43:58,449 --> 00:44:00,417 and there was a few years of that, 870 00:44:00,451 --> 00:44:01,748 and eventually I just decided, 871 00:44:01,786 --> 00:44:03,083 "I don't want any part of this. " 872 00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,088 There was just too much negativity to- 873 00:44:05,122 --> 00:44:08,353 outweighing the positive, you know? 874 00:44:08,392 --> 00:44:11,259 Things got so bad with the relationship 875 00:44:11,295 --> 00:44:14,662 between our managers, Skip and Tom. 876 00:44:14,699 --> 00:44:16,690 And the band wanted to know what was going on 877 00:44:16,734 --> 00:44:18,224 because they were still our managers, 878 00:44:18,269 --> 00:44:20,260 so Skip said, "Well, you can interview me, 879 00:44:20,304 --> 00:44:22,169 "but just, you know, write down the questions 880 00:44:22,206 --> 00:44:23,798 "and come out with your tape recorder, 881 00:44:23,841 --> 00:44:27,072 and I'll record the answers onto a tape recorder. " 882 00:44:27,111 --> 00:44:28,635 - One, two, three, four. 883 00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:30,544 - Skip basically didn't want to be around Bobby. 884 00:44:30,581 --> 00:44:32,412 So we had to conduct our band interview 885 00:44:32,450 --> 00:44:34,543 with our own manager by tape. 886 00:44:34,585 --> 00:44:36,746 - How do you expect to promote the single wholeheartedly 887 00:44:36,787 --> 00:44:39,847 when you won't even meet with the band you're producing? 888 00:44:39,890 --> 00:44:41,255 Skip? 889 00:44:41,292 --> 00:44:43,123 - First of all, I don't expect to promote... 890 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,718 - Bobby's very driven with what- 891 00:44:44,762 --> 00:44:48,027 and very passionate about his music, and that's good. 892 00:44:48,065 --> 00:44:50,192 But I have a feeling that over the years 893 00:44:50,234 --> 00:44:53,965 that's been, you know- one of Bobby's main problems is 894 00:44:54,005 --> 00:44:55,438 the freedom of Bobby doing nothing 895 00:44:55,473 --> 00:44:57,634 except sex, drugs, rock and roll. 896 00:44:57,675 --> 00:45:01,338 I mean, that is it to a tee. 897 00:45:01,379 --> 00:45:02,676 And I realize some people say, 898 00:45:02,713 --> 00:45:05,011 from an artistic standpoint, "Bravo", you know? 899 00:45:05,049 --> 00:45:06,949 "You've got your vision. You're sticking to it. " 900 00:45:06,984 --> 00:45:08,474 On the other hand, you know, 901 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:10,851 everyone that's been with you has walked away over the years 902 00:45:10,888 --> 00:45:12,253 or fled in terror 903 00:45:12,289 --> 00:45:14,655 because they realize you're not ever gonna compromise 904 00:45:14,692 --> 00:45:17,855 or, you know, cooperate. 905 00:45:17,895 --> 00:45:21,331 I haven't talked to Bobby in over 20 years. 906 00:45:21,365 --> 00:45:23,595 It would be really cool to go into the studio with Bobby 907 00:45:23,634 --> 00:45:25,625 and do a real album for the first time, 908 00:45:25,669 --> 00:45:27,899 rerecord some old stuff, write some new stuff. 909 00:45:27,938 --> 00:45:29,166 'Cause I'm proud of that stuff. 910 00:45:29,206 --> 00:45:30,366 And if, 30 years later, 911 00:45:30,408 --> 00:45:32,069 people are finally discovering that music 912 00:45:32,109 --> 00:45:34,737 and, you know, posting things online about, 913 00:45:34,779 --> 00:45:35,905 "Oh, this band is so amazing. 914 00:45:35,946 --> 00:45:37,709 This drummer kicks ass," and stuff like that. 915 00:45:37,748 --> 00:45:39,773 When I read stuff like that, it's like, "Wow, really? 916 00:45:39,817 --> 00:45:41,341 Thank you. " 917 00:45:41,385 --> 00:45:44,115 On the other hand, everyone who tries to do this with Bobby 918 00:45:44,155 --> 00:45:45,747 winds up getting crapped on. 919 00:45:45,790 --> 00:45:49,157 It winds up being a disaster of mega proportions 920 00:45:49,193 --> 00:45:53,186 because Bobby will do something to screw it up. 921 00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:55,630 I don't want to go do something that's a high publicity thing 922 00:45:55,666 --> 00:45:59,261 and have it fall apart and be a laughingstock. 923 00:45:59,303 --> 00:46:01,294 I don't want to do it. 924 00:46:08,979 --> 00:46:10,947 - She hasn't called me. 925 00:46:10,981 --> 00:46:14,439 You know, got 17 minutes left. 926 00:46:14,485 --> 00:46:16,578 I can't- my phone's gonna run out. 927 00:46:16,620 --> 00:46:19,612 I got... 928 00:46:19,657 --> 00:46:21,022 - Your call cannot be completed... 929 00:46:21,058 --> 00:46:24,323 - My call can't be completed as dialed. 930 00:46:24,361 --> 00:46:27,694 Come on, please answer, honey. 931 00:46:30,367 --> 00:46:31,800 The thing that people don't realize 932 00:46:31,836 --> 00:46:35,602 is that Mr. Evil- whoo! 933 00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:39,803 Pentagram, dih-dih-dih-dih, yadda, yadda, yadda. 934 00:46:39,844 --> 00:46:42,210 Man, under this shell, 935 00:46:42,246 --> 00:46:44,612 and this put-on, 936 00:46:44,648 --> 00:46:46,582 all I want to do is eat, 937 00:46:46,617 --> 00:46:49,450 take care of my loving other half 938 00:46:49,487 --> 00:46:51,614 in a bed that's comfortable, 939 00:46:51,655 --> 00:46:53,452 next to a warm soul 940 00:46:53,491 --> 00:46:56,051 that I can give my soul to, 941 00:46:56,093 --> 00:46:58,789 because I'm not a bad guy. 942 00:46:58,829 --> 00:47:01,627 I'm really not a bad guy underneath. 943 00:47:01,665 --> 00:47:06,466 I don't mean to do the things I do wrong. 944 00:47:06,504 --> 00:47:08,472 You know, I pray every night to God 945 00:47:08,506 --> 00:47:11,304 to forgive me for the things I've done wrong. 946 00:47:13,477 --> 00:47:16,241 Hallie, why are you calling me an asshole 947 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,578 and saying that I hurt you? 948 00:47:18,616 --> 00:47:21,210 - Because you did. 949 00:47:21,252 --> 00:47:22,514 - All I called to- 950 00:47:22,553 --> 00:47:24,521 Listen, all I said- 951 00:47:24,555 --> 00:47:26,648 Can I say anything? 952 00:47:26,690 --> 00:47:29,250 Can I say anything ever? 953 00:47:29,293 --> 00:47:30,885 - It was just overkill. 954 00:47:30,928 --> 00:47:32,589 Hallie, Hallie, Hallie, Hallie. 955 00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:34,564 And, you know, it's great to be in a relationship, 956 00:47:34,598 --> 00:47:36,998 but you just need a fucking break. 957 00:47:37,034 --> 00:47:38,695 He was talking about marriage. 958 00:47:38,736 --> 00:47:39,794 I mean, from the get-go, 959 00:47:39,837 --> 00:47:41,236 the first thing Bobby told me was, 960 00:47:41,272 --> 00:47:43,297 "I have a new girlfriend, and I'm gonna marry her. " 961 00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:45,365 And it's just all these things, like, compounded 962 00:47:45,409 --> 00:47:47,969 on this poor girl, and she's just bound to break. 963 00:47:48,012 --> 00:47:49,036 - Yeah, well, not dealing- 964 00:47:49,079 --> 00:47:52,344 You said it. I didn't. 965 00:47:52,383 --> 00:47:54,146 She hung up on me again. 966 00:47:57,288 --> 00:48:00,257 It's over. There's nothing to live for. 967 00:48:20,511 --> 00:48:22,706 - I can come over and can listen to music, dude. 968 00:48:22,746 --> 00:48:25,306 Music's a powerful drug. 969 00:48:26,717 --> 00:48:28,844 - What do you say? 970 00:48:32,723 --> 00:48:34,156 - What Hallie said? 971 00:48:34,191 --> 00:48:35,351 - Yeah. 972 00:48:39,863 --> 00:48:42,388 - No candy-coating. 973 00:48:42,433 --> 00:48:45,425 This isn't easy for me, dude. 974 00:48:45,469 --> 00:48:48,632 And I don't-but I'll tell ya. I mean... 975 00:48:48,672 --> 00:48:50,833 Last night, he didn't want to see me. 976 00:48:50,874 --> 00:48:52,205 Today, he didn't want to see me. 977 00:48:52,243 --> 00:48:54,268 He doesn't want to see anybody. 978 00:48:54,311 --> 00:48:55,801 He's just really affected. 979 00:48:55,846 --> 00:48:57,143 He's fucking crushed. 980 00:49:07,391 --> 00:49:09,484 - Now that this Hallie thing's coming down, man, 981 00:49:09,526 --> 00:49:13,189 I could just sense Bobby just trying to find 982 00:49:13,230 --> 00:49:15,221 any excuse to fucking relapse 983 00:49:15,266 --> 00:49:16,665 and go back and start smoking crack. 984 00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:18,065 I can start feeling it happen. 985 00:49:18,102 --> 00:49:19,194 Bobby, listen to me. 986 00:49:19,236 --> 00:49:21,466 It seemed like last time we hung out, 987 00:49:21,505 --> 00:49:25,407 I just got a feeling that you might have smoked crack. 988 00:49:25,442 --> 00:49:27,239 Did you smoke crack since you've been here? 989 00:49:27,278 --> 00:49:28,336 - No. 990 00:49:50,668 --> 00:49:53,034 - Philip's playing here in a couple weeks with his band Down. 991 00:49:53,070 --> 00:49:54,867 He's got to be clean for that. 992 00:49:54,905 --> 00:49:56,805 Their hesitation, the business side of it, 993 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,833 is giving money to a drug addict, man, you know? 994 00:50:00,878 --> 00:50:04,279 And he's got to be fucking clean 995 00:50:04,315 --> 00:50:06,579 to back up me telling them that he's clean 996 00:50:06,617 --> 00:50:08,346 and is gonna be able to do it, you know? 997 00:50:08,385 --> 00:50:11,149 If he shows up fucked up, it's gonna fuck it up. 998 00:50:33,711 --> 00:50:38,739 - Being a person that has dealt with his own demons and won... 999 00:50:38,782 --> 00:50:40,113 - That's the truth. 1000 00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:42,846 - I just hope that one day 1001 00:50:42,886 --> 00:50:45,548 maybe he can do the same thing, you know? 1002 00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:47,523 It would be a beautiful thing, man. 1003 00:50:51,762 --> 00:50:53,093 - Appreciate that. 1004 00:50:53,130 --> 00:50:54,290 From the heart. 1005 00:50:56,333 --> 00:50:58,358 - Wow. 1006 00:50:58,402 --> 00:51:00,029 Can I eat anything I want? 1007 00:51:00,070 --> 00:51:01,401 Can I taste a piece of pineapple? 1008 00:51:02,439 --> 00:51:04,566 - You sure? - Get some. 1009 00:51:04,608 --> 00:51:05,700 - Mmm. 1010 00:51:05,743 --> 00:51:08,712 Well, they got it all. 1011 00:51:08,746 --> 00:51:10,407 The way it's supposed to be. 1012 00:51:10,447 --> 00:51:13,041 - Man, I got, like, so many Pentagram t-shirts. 1013 00:51:13,083 --> 00:51:15,347 It's an honor having you here, man. 1014 00:51:15,386 --> 00:51:18,822 There's just so much respect. 1015 00:51:18,856 --> 00:51:21,518 Personally, I'm sick of hearing people say it's too late. 1016 00:51:21,558 --> 00:51:23,253 - Nah. - It's never too late. 1017 00:51:23,293 --> 00:51:24,555 - Never, never, never. 1018 00:51:24,595 --> 00:51:26,324 - You know, there's a lot of people, you know, 1019 00:51:26,363 --> 00:51:27,591 "Dude, there's no way he can come back. " 1020 00:51:27,631 --> 00:51:29,064 - How many times have we been written off? 1021 00:51:29,099 --> 00:51:30,123 - No, I know, man. 1022 00:51:34,571 --> 00:51:39,270 - If we're gonna get straight to the bone and shit... 1023 00:51:39,309 --> 00:51:42,210 There is this wave that I'm sure you're aware of- 1024 00:51:42,246 --> 00:51:46,114 young musicians that are discovering Pentagram. 1025 00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:47,447 That's a gift, my brother. 1026 00:51:47,484 --> 00:51:48,542 - Sure it is. 1027 00:51:48,585 --> 00:51:50,052 - It's a fucking gift. 1028 00:51:50,087 --> 00:51:51,111 - Sure it is. 1029 00:51:51,155 --> 00:51:53,555 - And it's enough of a gift 1030 00:51:53,590 --> 00:51:57,720 for you to give yourself a fucking break, man. 1031 00:51:57,761 --> 00:51:59,251 You've got your fucking health. 1032 00:51:59,296 --> 00:52:00,763 - I'm giving myself a break. 1033 00:52:00,798 --> 00:52:04,791 I kicked $300 of rock, six Xanax bars, 1034 00:52:04,835 --> 00:52:07,360 105 milligrams of meth, 1035 00:52:07,404 --> 00:52:11,431 and a 10-pack of dope- cold turkey. 1036 00:52:11,475 --> 00:52:13,500 - How's that throat feel? 1037 00:52:13,544 --> 00:52:14,636 - Fine. 1038 00:52:14,678 --> 00:52:15,736 - You can sing. 1039 00:52:15,779 --> 00:52:17,371 - Oh, I can sing my ass off. 1040 00:52:17,414 --> 00:52:18,574 - Really? Are you ready? 1041 00:52:18,615 --> 00:52:20,310 - Yeah, well, you're the man with the money. 1042 00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:23,581 - Well, you're the man with the fucking record 1043 00:52:23,620 --> 00:52:25,383 that needs to kick fucking ass too. 1044 00:52:25,422 --> 00:52:29,586 - Believe me, if you've heard all my records, 1045 00:52:29,626 --> 00:52:32,925 I ain't done no record in my opinion that hadn't kicked ass. 1046 00:52:32,963 --> 00:52:34,157 - You know what? 1047 00:52:34,198 --> 00:52:37,793 Robert, I'd be proud to fucking do this. 1048 00:52:37,835 --> 00:52:39,666 I really would, man. 1049 00:52:39,703 --> 00:52:40,863 - We're coming now, Phil. 1050 00:52:40,904 --> 00:52:42,371 - Stand up. 1051 00:52:42,406 --> 00:52:43,566 - They're on stage. 1052 00:52:43,607 --> 00:52:45,097 - All right, man. - I love you, baby. 1053 00:52:45,142 --> 00:52:46,234 - Me too, buddy. 1054 00:52:46,276 --> 00:52:47,675 - It's great, great to meet you, man. 1055 00:52:47,711 --> 00:52:49,338 - Yep, I hope we can do something, brother. 1056 00:52:49,379 --> 00:52:51,108 - Philip! We got to go! 1057 00:52:51,148 --> 00:52:52,308 - Let's go, brother. 1058 00:52:52,349 --> 00:52:54,579 - Come on! 1059 00:52:54,618 --> 00:52:56,017 We're on the way. 1060 00:52:56,053 --> 00:52:57,077 Have a good show, bro. 1061 00:53:08,899 --> 00:53:10,696 - You know, I take him up to meet Phil Anselmo, 1062 00:53:10,734 --> 00:53:13,225 and everything's pretty much all set up. 1063 00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:15,761 On the fucking way home, 1064 00:53:15,806 --> 00:53:17,398 instead of focusing on the positive, 1065 00:53:17,441 --> 00:53:20,467 he's still focusing on Hallie. 1066 00:53:20,511 --> 00:53:24,413 So as soon as we drop him off, he literally got out of the car, 1067 00:53:24,448 --> 00:53:27,474 thanked me, all of a sudden his eyes start to tear up, 1068 00:53:27,518 --> 00:53:28,917 and he says he doesn't want to go home 1069 00:53:28,952 --> 00:53:30,476 to an empty apartment. 1070 00:53:30,521 --> 00:53:33,513 He's just... he's at the end. 1071 00:53:33,557 --> 00:53:34,683 Again. 1072 00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:46,263 - I'm in the shower! Five minutes! 1073 00:53:46,303 --> 00:53:47,463 - Can we come in? 1074 00:53:47,504 --> 00:53:48,869 - Uh, yeah, you can come in. 1075 00:53:48,906 --> 00:53:50,134 You can step over this shit. 1076 00:53:50,173 --> 00:53:52,038 Just stay out of here. 1077 00:53:52,075 --> 00:53:54,066 I'm on record at Jefferson Hospital 1078 00:53:54,111 --> 00:53:56,739 of being epidemically covered in scabies, 1079 00:53:56,780 --> 00:53:58,543 so is everything in the whole goddamn place. 1080 00:53:58,582 --> 00:54:00,447 You think I'm lying? I can prove every bit of it. 1081 00:54:00,484 --> 00:54:01,542 - Well, let's talk. 1082 00:54:01,585 --> 00:54:02,779 You don't have to prove it to me. 1083 00:54:02,819 --> 00:54:03,877 Just please get ready- 1084 00:54:03,921 --> 00:54:05,320 - No, I have to prove it to everybody, 1085 00:54:05,355 --> 00:54:07,323 'cause it's cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, cocaine! 1086 00:54:07,357 --> 00:54:09,951 Buh-buh-buh-buh-buh! 1087 00:54:11,328 --> 00:54:13,592 The only thing I see here is a fucking syringe. 1088 00:54:13,630 --> 00:54:15,154 - Yeah, there is a syringe. 1089 00:54:15,198 --> 00:54:18,395 There's a syringe, crack pipes, all kinds of shit around here. 1090 00:54:18,435 --> 00:54:19,561 I quit. 1091 00:54:19,603 --> 00:54:22,470 A mega dose of methadone. 1092 00:54:22,506 --> 00:54:27,102 Mega heroin, piggybacking it. 1093 00:54:30,681 --> 00:54:35,175 dropped in the course of less than a month, okay? 1094 00:54:35,218 --> 00:54:37,686 - I give you huge credit for that, 1095 00:54:40,791 --> 00:54:42,053 - No, it's not. 1096 00:54:42,092 --> 00:54:44,117 - And keeping you from making real friends that care. 1097 00:54:44,161 --> 00:54:45,423 - Look, I gave up 99 out of 100. 1098 00:54:45,462 --> 00:54:47,794 I'm not Superman. What do you want me to do? 1099 00:54:47,831 --> 00:54:50,891 Conquer the world overnight? 1100 00:54:50,934 --> 00:54:54,893 You're asking too much of me now. 1101 00:54:54,938 --> 00:54:56,496 I'm on the verge of a nervous breakdown 1102 00:54:56,540 --> 00:54:59,839 over all this drug shit. 1103 00:54:59,876 --> 00:55:01,070 - You have so much talent, 1104 00:55:01,111 --> 00:55:02,669 and you're smoking crack on your couch. 1105 00:55:02,713 --> 00:55:03,873 It's heartbreaking. 1106 00:55:03,914 --> 00:55:06,542 - How much life do you think I have left? 1107 00:55:10,454 --> 00:55:13,423 I think the damage is done. 1108 00:55:13,457 --> 00:55:16,221 Far and above. 1109 00:55:29,773 --> 00:55:30,797 - New message. 1110 00:55:31,975 --> 00:55:33,374 - Hi, Demian. It's Diane. 1111 00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:36,504 I haven't heard from Bobby since Friday. 1112 00:55:36,546 --> 00:55:39,640 Truthfully, I don't think he's gonna last much longer. 1113 00:55:39,683 --> 00:55:41,207 I just have a feeling. 1114 00:55:41,251 --> 00:55:45,312 Either he's gonna overdose or do something stupid. 1115 00:55:45,355 --> 00:55:49,917 And he's hung up on that Hallie thing like crazy, so... 1116 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,588 I can't kill myself anymore over it, 1117 00:55:52,629 --> 00:55:56,156 and what will be, will be. 1118 00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:57,166 - New message. 1119 00:55:58,535 --> 00:56:00,400 - Hi, Demian. It's Diane. 1120 00:56:00,437 --> 00:56:02,371 We still haven't heard from Bobby, 1121 00:56:02,406 --> 00:56:06,467 and now we're really extremely concerned. 1122 00:56:06,510 --> 00:56:07,738 Please call me. 1123 00:56:07,778 --> 00:56:08,938 Thank you. 1124 00:56:08,979 --> 00:56:10,810 Bye-bye. 1125 00:56:12,449 --> 00:56:13,416 - New message. 1126 00:56:14,751 --> 00:56:16,685 - I found out where Bobby is. 1127 00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:21,783 It's called CFCF, under the prison system. 1128 00:56:21,825 --> 00:56:24,692 They took him there. I don't know where it is. 1129 00:56:24,728 --> 00:56:26,389 I don't know how he is. 1130 00:56:26,430 --> 00:56:29,729 I'm sure he's suffering, and we don't know what to do. 1131 00:56:29,766 --> 00:56:32,667 So when you get a chance, you call. 1132 00:56:32,703 --> 00:56:34,193 Bye-bye. 1133 00:56:42,412 --> 00:56:46,849 - Philadelphia Prison Systems. 1134 00:56:46,883 --> 00:56:48,646 "Curran-Fromhold Correctional Facility. 1135 00:56:48,685 --> 00:56:51,381 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. " 1136 00:56:51,421 --> 00:56:53,889 Bobby's got a restraining order on him, 1137 00:56:53,924 --> 00:56:59,829 which clearly says you cannot fucking call Hallie. 1138 00:56:59,863 --> 00:57:02,161 He had fucking called Hallie. 1139 00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:03,723 Hallie picked up the phone and said, 1140 00:57:03,767 --> 00:57:05,257 "That's it. Now you're going to jail. " 1141 00:57:05,302 --> 00:57:06,860 Click. 1142 00:57:06,903 --> 00:57:08,336 I mean, this is a huge reality check. 1143 00:57:08,371 --> 00:57:12,034 What's harder than jail? 1144 00:57:12,075 --> 00:57:15,636 What's the next step? Death? 1145 00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:20,139 Who the fuck else is gonna fucking do this for him? 1146 00:57:20,183 --> 00:57:21,309 I hate to sound like a dick- 1147 00:57:21,351 --> 00:57:22,409 I feel like I've just been- 1148 00:57:22,452 --> 00:57:23,919 I'm getting grizzled and pricky 1149 00:57:23,954 --> 00:57:27,253 through this whole fucking process. 1150 00:57:27,290 --> 00:57:29,815 He's completely surrounded by chaos that he creates, 1151 00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:33,728 but it sucks everybody up in it that's around him. 1152 00:57:33,764 --> 00:57:36,961 And maybe I said this already, 1153 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,433 but this past two weeks, 1154 00:57:38,468 --> 00:57:41,096 I was almost glad that he was in jail- 1155 00:57:41,138 --> 00:57:42,332 just the fact that I know 1156 00:57:42,372 --> 00:57:43,862 he wasn't somewhere hurting himself, 1157 00:57:43,907 --> 00:57:45,534 and I could concentrate on my life 1158 00:57:45,575 --> 00:57:46,974 and what I really needed to get done. 1159 00:57:47,010 --> 00:57:48,443 'Cause if I didn't get this shit done, 1160 00:57:48,478 --> 00:57:50,309 I can't do anything for him. 1161 00:57:50,347 --> 00:57:52,781 So we'll see. 1162 00:57:52,816 --> 00:57:55,216 See, fucking work calls right now. 1163 00:57:57,554 --> 00:58:02,651 $260 of bail, $15 parking later, 1164 00:58:02,692 --> 00:58:04,455 we're finally on our way. 1165 00:58:04,494 --> 00:58:06,462 They told- after bail went through, 1166 00:58:06,496 --> 00:58:08,225 they told us we have four to six hours 1167 00:58:08,265 --> 00:58:09,289 before he's released, 1168 00:58:09,332 --> 00:58:10,663 so it's a total guessing game. 1169 00:58:10,700 --> 00:58:13,134 No one can give us any kind of straight answers. 1170 00:58:13,170 --> 00:58:14,432 So we kind of cut the wait in half. 1171 00:58:14,471 --> 00:58:15,768 We're headed there now. 1172 00:58:15,806 --> 00:58:17,137 It's dark. 1173 00:58:17,174 --> 00:58:20,940 I'm sure Bobby is freaking to get out. 1174 00:58:20,977 --> 00:58:23,070 You know, the one thing he talks about that he wants, 1175 00:58:23,113 --> 00:58:28,278 I'm sure, more than anything is a bacon pizza, 1176 00:58:28,318 --> 00:58:31,583 which is all he eats, by the way. 1177 00:58:31,621 --> 00:58:33,919 Anything bad for his heart, Bobby Liebling will do it. 1178 00:58:34,991 --> 00:58:37,255 Love, drugs, bacon. 1179 00:58:37,294 --> 00:58:39,990 His life. 1180 00:58:44,301 --> 00:58:45,996 What's going on now is, 1181 00:58:46,036 --> 00:58:48,630 every time I fucking come to get him out, 1182 00:58:48,672 --> 00:58:50,469 there's some other thing going on. 1183 00:58:50,507 --> 00:58:52,099 They told me an hour and a half. 1184 00:58:52,142 --> 00:58:54,542 We just went and waited somewhere for over an hour. 1185 00:58:54,578 --> 00:58:56,512 We come back. 1186 00:58:56,546 --> 00:58:58,275 "Oh, we've got no one downstairs. " 1187 00:58:58,315 --> 00:59:00,476 I'm like, "Here's his name. He's been processed. 1188 00:59:00,517 --> 00:59:03,543 We paid at 3:00 today. " 1189 00:59:03,587 --> 00:59:04,952 "Well, there's no one downstairs. 1190 00:59:04,988 --> 00:59:08,048 "I tell you what, if he's not out within 15 minutes, 1191 00:59:08,091 --> 00:59:09,524 "he's gonna get out on the next shift, 1192 00:59:09,559 --> 00:59:12,119 which is, uh... 12:00." 1193 00:59:12,162 --> 00:59:14,392 So that probably means the next shift starts at 12:00, 1194 00:59:14,431 --> 00:59:16,331 so who knows when he's gonna get out. 1195 00:59:16,366 --> 00:59:17,833 So we got to park across the street, 1196 00:59:17,868 --> 00:59:21,065 which is, like, Mister- at Mister Chubby's, 1197 00:59:21,104 --> 00:59:22,537 which is fitting, 1198 00:59:22,572 --> 00:59:24,733 'cause they're treating us like fucking boners. 1199 00:59:24,774 --> 00:59:26,969 So now we got to wait and just watch. 1200 00:59:27,010 --> 00:59:28,568 We got to watch across the street, 1201 00:59:28,612 --> 00:59:29,977 which you can hardly see, 1202 00:59:30,013 --> 00:59:33,380 and we're gonna wait for him to walk out of the gate. 1203 00:59:33,416 --> 00:59:36,579 We can't wait here all fucking night in the goddamn car. 1204 00:59:36,620 --> 00:59:38,747 I skipped a whole day of work today to bail him out. 1205 00:59:38,788 --> 00:59:39,914 He's still not out, 1206 00:59:39,956 --> 00:59:42,720 and now it's fucking up my next day. 1207 00:59:42,759 --> 00:59:45,887 So I don't know what to do. 1208 00:59:45,929 --> 00:59:48,489 You know, if we decide to leave and come back in the morning, 1209 00:59:48,531 --> 00:59:51,261 that's when he's gonna be out here stranded, probably. 1210 00:59:51,301 --> 00:59:53,895 Know what I mean? 1211 00:59:58,808 --> 01:00:00,207 People keep asking me, you know, 1212 01:00:00,243 --> 01:00:02,541 "Dude, why are you even hanging in there?" 1213 01:00:02,579 --> 01:00:04,638 I've grown to love him as a friend, 1214 01:00:04,681 --> 01:00:07,377 and I really believe in him as a musician. 1215 01:00:07,417 --> 01:00:08,782 I don't know. 1216 01:00:08,818 --> 01:00:11,878 I'm really on the verge of saying, "Fuck it. " 1217 01:00:11,922 --> 01:00:13,446 And just saying I tried. 1218 01:00:13,490 --> 01:00:16,254 I really don't know. I keep going back and forth. 1219 01:00:16,293 --> 01:00:17,555 But I keep feeling like, 1220 01:00:17,594 --> 01:00:19,858 "Man, don't fucking throw it all away yet, Pellet, 1221 01:00:19,896 --> 01:00:24,663 because we're on the verge of fucking something happening. " 1222 01:00:28,772 --> 01:00:31,070 Cold in there? 1223 01:00:31,107 --> 01:00:32,335 - Huh, buddy? 1224 01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:33,603 That's my buddy. 1225 01:00:35,845 --> 01:00:37,278 There's my buddy, see? 1226 01:00:38,515 --> 01:00:40,483 Had to hook you up right away. 1227 01:00:42,686 --> 01:00:44,176 - How you doing, man? 1228 01:00:44,220 --> 01:00:46,188 - Uh, doing, like, you know. 1229 01:00:46,222 --> 01:00:47,189 - Is it all right? 1230 01:00:47,223 --> 01:00:49,885 - Here you go. "Help me. " 1231 01:00:49,926 --> 01:00:53,293 I'm in prison again. 1232 01:01:00,136 --> 01:01:03,333 - Hey, you want some waters? 1233 01:01:03,373 --> 01:01:05,034 It's good to see you out, dude. 1234 01:01:05,075 --> 01:01:06,508 - Jesus. 1235 01:01:06,543 --> 01:01:09,876 - I'm nervous that you're out. I'll admit it. 1236 01:01:09,913 --> 01:01:12,313 I didn't have to worry about you in jail. 1237 01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:13,907 I knew you weren't doing something dumb. 1238 01:01:13,950 --> 01:01:16,111 - I knew that. I... 1239 01:01:16,152 --> 01:01:19,553 Do you even know how many hours... 1240 01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:22,581 - Bobby obviously goes through the same patterns. 1241 01:01:22,625 --> 01:01:24,422 It's always, he does good for a couple weeks, 1242 01:01:24,461 --> 01:01:27,430 and then shit falls apart. 1243 01:01:27,464 --> 01:01:29,091 Bobby is just... 1244 01:01:29,132 --> 01:01:30,599 Robert Liebling. 1245 01:01:30,633 --> 01:01:34,967 He's a human, and he's got incredible demons 1246 01:01:35,005 --> 01:01:39,032 that he has to battle every fucking day. 1247 01:01:39,075 --> 01:01:43,876 That sounds cheesy, but I think Bobby really is just doing 1248 01:01:43,913 --> 01:01:46,814 all this stuff 'cause he just needs love. 1249 01:01:50,186 --> 01:01:52,017 - There's nothing here. 1250 01:01:52,055 --> 01:01:57,186 I have nobody I can call that can try to help. 1251 01:01:57,227 --> 01:01:58,922 I ain't got no relatives. 1252 01:01:58,962 --> 01:02:01,590 I ain't got no brother or sister, right? 1253 01:02:01,631 --> 01:02:04,464 You know... 1254 01:02:04,501 --> 01:02:06,401 Fuck it. I ain't got no kids. 1255 01:02:06,436 --> 01:02:07,733 I can't deal with myself. 1256 01:02:07,771 --> 01:02:09,261 I'm too immature. 1257 01:02:09,305 --> 01:02:13,207 I can't handle it, the pressure, you know what I mean? 1258 01:02:13,243 --> 01:02:16,303 I have nothing here. 1259 01:02:16,346 --> 01:02:18,280 I thought I had a life here. 1260 01:02:18,314 --> 01:02:20,509 I don't got nothing anymore. 1261 01:02:49,379 --> 01:02:52,610 - I just got the new issue of Rolling Stone. 1262 01:02:52,649 --> 01:02:54,480 I found the perfect girl for Bobby. 1263 01:02:54,517 --> 01:02:56,951 She's fucking- has no grip on- 1264 01:02:56,986 --> 01:02:59,045 they're in the same reality space, 1265 01:02:59,089 --> 01:03:01,990 but she's got money, and she's young and blonde. 1266 01:03:02,025 --> 01:03:03,185 Fucking Britney, dude. 1267 01:03:03,226 --> 01:03:04,784 I'm making some fucking calls right now. 1268 01:03:06,096 --> 01:03:09,793 Bobby'd like her, right? 1269 01:03:11,868 --> 01:03:14,632 You want some tea? 1270 01:03:16,239 --> 01:03:18,571 I started to realize that Bobby and I 1271 01:03:18,608 --> 01:03:20,508 might not have had the same goals. 1272 01:03:20,543 --> 01:03:22,511 My goal was for him to focus on the music. 1273 01:03:22,545 --> 01:03:23,773 All I could get him to focus to 1274 01:03:23,813 --> 01:03:27,010 when he was up here was Hallie. 1275 01:03:27,050 --> 01:03:30,918 Damn, man, it smells like an old man's dirty pants. 1276 01:03:32,489 --> 01:03:35,458 He got out of jail. Stuff just wasn't rolling. 1277 01:03:35,492 --> 01:03:37,585 Phil Anselmo, you know, caught wind of it. 1278 01:03:37,627 --> 01:03:39,561 Bobby was kind of a mess and in jail. 1279 01:03:39,596 --> 01:03:42,690 And that's, you know, totally put on hold. 1280 01:03:42,732 --> 01:03:45,758 Bobby moved back home with his mom. 1281 01:03:45,802 --> 01:03:48,703 He did, you know, typical Bobby kind of stuff. 1282 01:03:48,738 --> 01:03:49,830 - Basement? 1283 01:03:49,873 --> 01:03:52,364 - Living in the sub-basement. You know? 1284 01:03:52,408 --> 01:03:54,968 But one good thing that came out of it is, 1285 01:03:55,011 --> 01:03:57,707 being back around all that Maryland scene, 1286 01:03:57,747 --> 01:04:00,648 there was people down there who were just, you know, 1287 01:04:00,683 --> 01:04:02,150 willing to help him out 1288 01:04:02,185 --> 01:04:03,914 and got together and got him psyched again 1289 01:04:03,953 --> 01:04:05,079 about playing music. 1290 01:04:18,701 --> 01:04:20,328 I really think, in a way, 1291 01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:21,860 this is kind of what he needed to do. 1292 01:04:21,905 --> 01:04:25,705 He got a complete wake-up call by going to jail. 1293 01:04:25,742 --> 01:04:27,141 He got some love. 1294 01:04:27,177 --> 01:04:28,576 As heartbroken as he is, 1295 01:04:28,611 --> 01:04:31,375 I think he's got a little bit of confidence from it. 1296 01:04:31,414 --> 01:04:33,143 - Hey, is this on? 1297 01:04:33,183 --> 01:04:34,673 Yes, it is! 1298 01:04:34,717 --> 01:04:35,684 Okay. 1299 01:04:35,718 --> 01:04:36,776 - Since he's had a full band, 1300 01:04:36,819 --> 01:04:40,220 Bobby is just psyched to play shows. 1301 01:04:40,256 --> 01:04:42,986 We could definitely play D.C. and probably do pretty well. 1302 01:04:43,026 --> 01:04:46,257 But to make the biggest punch, to get the most out of press, 1303 01:04:46,296 --> 01:04:49,060 and just to have the biggest, you know, 1304 01:04:49,098 --> 01:04:53,034 appearance or profile is gonna be New York City. 1305 01:04:59,742 --> 01:05:01,004 So we chose New York. 1306 01:05:01,044 --> 01:05:04,036 They're at a top-notch venue. 1307 01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:06,412 We demanded a lot of money. We're getting it. 1308 01:05:06,449 --> 01:05:07,882 There's also, again, a lot on the line 1309 01:05:07,917 --> 01:05:10,044 because in the contract that I have to sign, 1310 01:05:10,086 --> 01:05:12,316 it says if the band does not show up for whatever reason, 1311 01:05:12,355 --> 01:05:13,788 if stuff doesn't happen, 1312 01:05:13,823 --> 01:05:16,087 it's my name on there that I'm responsible for. 1313 01:05:16,125 --> 01:05:17,922 So what I really need Bobby to do 1314 01:05:17,961 --> 01:05:21,397 is just focus again on the music. 1315 01:05:33,876 --> 01:05:38,813 I'm just very confused right now. 1316 01:05:38,848 --> 01:05:42,409 There's this angel I just wanted to talk to 1317 01:05:42,452 --> 01:05:47,355 while I was still hanging around, mortal. 1318 01:05:47,390 --> 01:05:51,451 - Is that keeping you from focusing on stuff or are you... 1319 01:05:51,494 --> 01:05:53,724 - Ain't easy. 1320 01:05:53,763 --> 01:05:57,494 Show must go on. 1321 01:05:57,533 --> 01:06:01,435 But it ain't easy, you know. 1322 01:06:06,442 --> 01:06:08,637 Got to keep rocking, or I start crying. 1323 01:06:08,678 --> 01:06:10,646 Sort of like that, you know? 1324 01:06:17,754 --> 01:06:19,449 Come on! 1325 01:06:30,066 --> 01:06:32,296 - Every single thing you do with Bobby Liebling has a risk. 1326 01:06:32,335 --> 01:06:33,632 Whether it's a record coming out, 1327 01:06:33,670 --> 01:06:36,468 whether it's a show or whatever, it's a risk. 1328 01:06:36,506 --> 01:06:38,633 I mean, it definitely makes shit exciting. 1329 01:06:38,675 --> 01:06:40,973 But it's putting gray in my beard, you know? 1330 01:06:41,010 --> 01:06:43,274 - It surprises me, people who go out and buy advance tickets 1331 01:06:43,313 --> 01:06:45,372 for Pentagram shows, sometimes. 1332 01:06:45,415 --> 01:06:47,144 You know, it's like, man, I would just wait 1333 01:06:47,183 --> 01:06:49,083 until the night of the show and go to the door, 1334 01:06:49,118 --> 01:06:51,484 because why sink your money into something 1335 01:06:51,521 --> 01:06:53,182 that you don't know is even going to happen? 1336 01:06:53,222 --> 01:06:55,122 - It's kind of an uphill battle right now, 1337 01:06:55,158 --> 01:06:58,150 because the last couple shows that Bobby played 1338 01:06:58,194 --> 01:06:59,388 are legendary- 1339 01:06:59,429 --> 01:07:01,363 a legendary mess. 1340 01:07:02,832 --> 01:07:06,461 - Yeah, there was this doom metal festival or something, 1341 01:07:06,502 --> 01:07:08,231 and this promoter guy goes, 1342 01:07:08,271 --> 01:07:11,172 "Man, I need you to play this gig and headline this gig. " 1343 01:07:11,207 --> 01:07:12,572 You know, "You got to do it. " 1344 01:07:12,608 --> 01:07:15,805 And I asked Bobby, I said, "You think we can do it?" 1345 01:07:19,315 --> 01:07:22,807 I went to play the gig, and it was packed with people. 1346 01:07:22,852 --> 01:07:24,945 It's getting later and later, and Bobby doesn't show. 1347 01:07:24,987 --> 01:07:27,285 Then Bobby doesn't show. 1348 01:07:27,323 --> 01:07:29,553 And the club owner comes up and goes, "Man, you got to play. 1349 01:07:29,592 --> 01:07:32,322 They're gonna tear my club up. " 1350 01:07:32,362 --> 01:07:34,330 I said, "There's-I don't have a singer here. " 1351 01:07:34,364 --> 01:07:36,264 Unfortunately, our singer won't show up tonight 1352 01:07:36,299 --> 01:07:38,096 'cause he's just too fucking cool for all of us, 1353 01:07:38,134 --> 01:07:40,432 so let's give it a big, "Fuck you, you asshole!" 1354 01:07:40,470 --> 01:07:41,437 Right? 1355 01:07:41,471 --> 01:07:42,438 - Fuck you! 1356 01:07:42,472 --> 01:07:43,598 - We're gonna play anyway. 1357 01:07:43,639 --> 01:07:45,937 And I gave the microphone to the audience. 1358 01:07:45,975 --> 01:07:48,000 I say, "It's Pentagram karaoke night. 1359 01:07:48,044 --> 01:07:49,136 Here you go. " 1360 01:07:56,919 --> 01:08:01,788 Then Bobby showed up at the last two measures of the last song. 1361 01:08:05,027 --> 01:08:07,825 I kicked him in the leg and then... 1362 01:08:07,864 --> 01:08:10,424 and I think I had a cordless guitar that night or something, 1363 01:08:10,466 --> 01:08:12,400 but I was playing from behind the speakers 1364 01:08:12,435 --> 01:08:16,303 where he couldn't rock out with me, you know? 1365 01:08:16,339 --> 01:08:17,567 That's how it happened, 1366 01:08:17,607 --> 01:08:21,338 and that kind of broke us up, really. 1367 01:08:21,377 --> 01:08:24,869 I said, "Forget it, man. I can't do that again. 1368 01:08:24,914 --> 01:08:26,438 Not at my age. " 1369 01:08:26,482 --> 01:08:29,576 You know-shit. I'm almost 20 now, so... 1370 01:08:29,619 --> 01:08:31,814 - Come on, you fucking junkie! 1371 01:08:31,854 --> 01:08:33,014 - Play! 1372 01:08:33,055 --> 01:08:34,682 - Play a song, you fucking junkie! 1373 01:08:34,724 --> 01:08:36,589 You fucking dope-shooter! 1374 01:08:36,626 --> 01:08:38,560 You fucking rip-off! 1375 01:08:38,594 --> 01:08:41,757 Bullshit! 1376 01:08:41,798 --> 01:08:44,392 - He's got this Jim Morrison thing going on now 1377 01:08:44,434 --> 01:08:48,131 or something, where you just never know what's gonna happen. 1378 01:08:50,673 --> 01:08:51,935 The last... 1379 01:08:51,974 --> 01:08:54,135 the last time he played was The Black Oat show in D.C. 1380 01:08:54,177 --> 01:08:57,044 - Oh, okay. The Black Oat incident? 1381 01:08:57,079 --> 01:08:59,240 That's like the incident at Roswell. 1382 01:08:59,282 --> 01:09:01,978 2,000 people crammed in this place, 1383 01:09:02,018 --> 01:09:04,452 and I'm going, "He's finally made it. 1384 01:09:04,487 --> 01:09:08,617 Damn, I'm glad I came tonight. You know, this is great. " 1385 01:09:08,658 --> 01:09:10,683 - People are fucking charged. 1386 01:09:10,726 --> 01:09:12,853 You see the band take the stage. 1387 01:09:12,895 --> 01:09:16,023 Literally, the guy next to me is biting his lip. 1388 01:09:16,065 --> 01:09:19,899 But there's something missing. Where's Bobby? 1389 01:09:19,936 --> 01:09:22,302 - Apparently, he'd overdosed. 1390 01:09:22,338 --> 01:09:25,171 And he fell asleep in my arms like a baby 1391 01:09:25,208 --> 01:09:28,700 in the dressing room. 1392 01:09:28,744 --> 01:09:30,939 Somebody knew the rescue squad guy. 1393 01:09:30,980 --> 01:09:32,447 They came and got him, 1394 01:09:32,482 --> 01:09:34,313 and then they shot him up with something. 1395 01:09:34,350 --> 01:09:35,442 I don't know what. 1396 01:09:35,485 --> 01:09:39,888 He goes, "I'm ready to play. " 1397 01:09:39,922 --> 01:09:43,050 - I see Bobby on the side of the stage being propped up, 1398 01:09:43,092 --> 01:09:46,084 looking like he's being carried over to the stage. 1399 01:09:52,435 --> 01:09:56,132 - Grabs a mic, 1400 01:09:56,172 --> 01:09:57,537 and that was it. 1401 01:09:57,573 --> 01:10:02,340 Stumbles backwards, falls on the drum riser. 1402 01:10:02,378 --> 01:10:04,175 Crawls off the fucking stage. 1403 01:10:06,349 --> 01:10:10,012 - When he left, it was in the big freight elevator- 1404 01:10:10,052 --> 01:10:12,350 in a straitjacket. 1405 01:10:12,388 --> 01:10:13,616 And there's orange lights, 1406 01:10:13,656 --> 01:10:15,920 and instead of the doors coming together like this, 1407 01:10:15,958 --> 01:10:19,018 they shut like a mouth, a giant, metallic mouth, 1408 01:10:19,061 --> 01:10:21,256 and he was gone. 1409 01:10:21,297 --> 01:10:22,457 I thought, "That's it. 1410 01:10:22,498 --> 01:10:23,863 That's the last time I'll see him. " 1411 01:10:23,900 --> 01:10:26,892 Man, I'll remember that the rest of my life. 1412 01:10:32,942 --> 01:10:36,969 - You know, I monitor Bobby's Myspace page. 1413 01:10:37,013 --> 01:10:41,074 Soon as you announce these shows, dude, this thing lit up. 1414 01:10:41,117 --> 01:10:42,584 It was just amazing. 1415 01:10:42,618 --> 01:10:44,609 Every time I come on, there's all these friend requests. 1416 01:10:44,654 --> 01:10:46,781 I had 12 pages of friend requests. 1417 01:10:46,822 --> 01:10:48,881 This might be fake, but Bobby would like it. 1418 01:10:50,927 --> 01:10:52,360 One of the best things for me, dude- 1419 01:10:52,395 --> 01:10:53,862 this is a total triumph. 1420 01:10:53,896 --> 01:10:55,864 This one kid says to me, 1421 01:10:55,898 --> 01:10:57,559 "I only heard Pentagram two months ago, 1422 01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,227 "but I can't believe the influence 1423 01:10:59,268 --> 01:11:00,997 it's had on my life already. " 1424 01:11:01,037 --> 01:11:04,302 You know, this is from, like, this 19-year-old kid, 1425 01:11:04,340 --> 01:11:06,331 so in the middle of nowhere, USA, 1426 01:11:06,375 --> 01:11:09,503 who must have picked up a First Daze Here record or whatever, 1427 01:11:09,545 --> 01:11:11,376 and it's just changed his life, 1428 01:11:11,414 --> 01:11:12,779 and it's the same thing it did to me, 1429 01:11:12,815 --> 01:11:16,216 and it's exactly what I want to do with Bobby. 1430 01:11:16,252 --> 01:11:17,446 Oh, right here. 1431 01:11:17,486 --> 01:11:18,919 "Love, love, love your music. 1432 01:11:18,955 --> 01:11:20,513 "Saw the opening band at a Witchcraft gig 1433 01:11:20,556 --> 01:11:21,648 "cover a tune of yours. 1434 01:11:21,691 --> 01:11:23,659 The place went crazy. " 1435 01:11:23,693 --> 01:11:24,853 "Pentagram forever. 1436 01:11:24,894 --> 01:11:26,452 "Many, many thanks for this great music. 1437 01:11:26,495 --> 01:11:30,226 I love it and I need it every day. " 1438 01:11:30,266 --> 01:11:32,598 And again, just people just rooting for Bobby. 1439 01:11:32,635 --> 01:11:34,865 Look at this. It's great. 1440 01:11:34,904 --> 01:11:36,166 It goes on and on and on. 1441 01:11:36,205 --> 01:11:37,502 Again, I just get choked up, 1442 01:11:37,540 --> 01:11:40,771 'cause I'm a freaking sissy-hippie butt. 1443 01:11:40,810 --> 01:11:42,141 I'm not a sissy, but... 1444 01:11:45,715 --> 01:11:47,239 At first I got involved with Bobby, 1445 01:11:47,283 --> 01:11:49,410 I wanted to have Bobby's music heard. 1446 01:11:49,452 --> 01:11:51,477 That was the main goal, right? 1447 01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:53,784 It was just pretty much all about Bobby. 1448 01:11:53,823 --> 01:11:58,783 Now at this point, it's become about me too. 1449 01:11:58,828 --> 01:12:01,388 My whole life has been in music. 1450 01:12:01,430 --> 01:12:05,696 My greatest accomplishment, to me personally, is Pentagram. 1451 01:12:05,735 --> 01:12:07,396 If I can't make it happen, 1452 01:12:07,436 --> 01:12:09,631 then I've got to fucking wake up and grow up, 1453 01:12:09,672 --> 01:12:13,108 like my parents keep telling me to do. 1454 01:12:13,142 --> 01:12:14,769 Out my hair and get a goddamn job. 1455 01:12:14,810 --> 01:12:17,108 It's gonna suck. 1456 01:12:21,917 --> 01:12:24,977 Bobby, Hallie and I texted each other, 1457 01:12:25,021 --> 01:12:27,319 and she sent me a couple of lengthy messages 1458 01:12:27,356 --> 01:12:28,983 that I can read if you want. 1459 01:12:29,025 --> 01:12:30,515 She's not gonna be at either show. 1460 01:12:30,559 --> 01:12:31,890 There's no way in hell. 1461 01:12:31,927 --> 01:12:35,021 I do know what this means to you-trust me, I do. 1462 01:12:35,064 --> 01:12:37,294 - One of the nights. You know what? 1463 01:12:37,333 --> 01:12:39,198 - Let me put it this way. 1464 01:12:39,235 --> 01:12:41,032 I've got so much invested in this. 1465 01:12:41,070 --> 01:12:42,765 I've gone beyond the deposit. 1466 01:12:42,805 --> 01:12:44,363 I've spent my own money on this. 1467 01:12:44,407 --> 01:12:45,840 I need these shows to happen. 1468 01:12:45,875 --> 01:12:48,241 I'll do whatever it takes to make these shows happen. 1469 01:12:48,277 --> 01:12:51,713 If it means fucking lying to Hallie 1470 01:12:51,747 --> 01:12:53,578 and telling her she'll get a $1 million 1471 01:12:53,616 --> 01:12:55,607 if she shows up, I'll do it. 1472 01:12:55,651 --> 01:12:57,414 But I just don't have high hopes, 1473 01:12:57,453 --> 01:12:58,886 and you got to get it out of your head 1474 01:12:58,921 --> 01:13:00,149 that she's gonna show up or not. 1475 01:13:06,062 --> 01:13:07,154 And I know that. 1476 01:13:07,196 --> 01:13:09,323 - So what else am I supposed to do? 1477 01:13:09,365 --> 01:13:12,823 She basically said, Bobby is- 1478 01:13:12,868 --> 01:13:14,495 you know, in not so many words- 1479 01:13:14,537 --> 01:13:16,801 off his rocker, doing cocaine again. 1480 01:13:16,839 --> 01:13:19,000 You have to go down to Germantown, 1481 01:13:19,041 --> 01:13:21,009 get him out of the sub-basement, 1482 01:13:21,043 --> 01:13:22,943 and bring him to Philly, 1483 01:13:22,978 --> 01:13:24,775 or he's not gonna play these shows. 1484 01:13:24,814 --> 01:13:26,475 So she knows. 1485 01:13:31,921 --> 01:13:34,048 - Listen, you got to leave in ten hours. 1486 01:13:34,090 --> 01:13:36,058 I don't know if she's wrong yet or not. 1487 01:13:36,092 --> 01:13:37,855 Your hair's not dyed. You should- 1488 01:13:37,893 --> 01:13:39,588 It's 10:30 at night. 1489 01:13:39,628 --> 01:13:41,357 Your fucking clothes aren't dry-cleaned. 1490 01:13:41,397 --> 01:13:43,228 I should have went down and got you. 1491 01:13:46,102 --> 01:13:48,662 I hope so. 1492 01:13:55,344 --> 01:13:57,335 - If you're doing what you said you were gonna do, 1493 01:13:57,379 --> 01:13:58,971 let's just do it. 1494 01:13:59,014 --> 01:14:01,414 We're gonna get in an argument, we're gonna raise our voices, 1495 01:14:01,450 --> 01:14:03,315 and your voice is gonna be even... 1496 01:14:05,654 --> 01:14:08,179 - I will promise you I will send that text. 1497 01:14:08,224 --> 01:14:10,249 Honestly, Bobby, I'm super stressed out right now, 1498 01:14:10,292 --> 01:14:11,350 and I'm just- 1499 01:14:11,393 --> 01:14:12,951 I'll send her that text, 1500 01:14:12,995 --> 01:14:14,587 but I got to finish this merch stuff. 1501 01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:16,359 I got to do a bunch of shit for the shows. 1502 01:14:25,007 --> 01:14:28,272 - Please relax tonight and take your bath and chill, 1503 01:14:28,310 --> 01:14:29,607 and I'm gonna do... 1504 01:14:29,645 --> 01:14:33,206 - Did you think this was gonna go any other way? 1505 01:14:33,249 --> 01:14:35,012 - Yeah, I did, 1506 01:14:35,050 --> 01:14:38,577 because Bobby's been really fucking focused lately. 1507 01:14:38,621 --> 01:14:41,146 I mean, he's been really heartbroken over Hallie, 1508 01:14:41,190 --> 01:14:42,851 and that, you know, and any time 1509 01:14:42,892 --> 01:14:44,655 I need a ten-minute conversation out of him, 1510 01:14:44,693 --> 01:14:46,490 I figure it's gonna be an hour 'cause I got to- 1511 01:14:46,529 --> 01:14:47,928 50 minutes of Hallie, which is fine. 1512 01:14:47,963 --> 01:14:49,692 He's my friend. It's cool. 1513 01:14:49,732 --> 01:14:53,065 I know what it's like to suffer that way, and it's cool. 1514 01:14:53,102 --> 01:14:55,662 But through it all, he's really getting kind of focused, 1515 01:14:55,704 --> 01:14:58,935 and it's like he's focused to prove this to her. 1516 01:14:58,974 --> 01:15:02,410 I mean, you know, I think he thinks 1517 01:15:02,444 --> 01:15:04,571 if he pulls these two shows off 1518 01:15:04,613 --> 01:15:06,137 and shows that he can really do it, 1519 01:15:06,182 --> 01:15:07,843 he'll be able to take care of her 1520 01:15:07,883 --> 01:15:09,475 and make money and all that. 1521 01:15:10,753 --> 01:15:12,414 He's doing these shows just for her. 1522 01:15:12,454 --> 01:15:14,547 And now that she's not there, he doesn't want to do 'em, 1523 01:15:14,590 --> 01:15:16,251 but he can't back out. 1524 01:15:16,292 --> 01:15:17,520 I mean, it's not just me 1525 01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:19,585 who's got money and time involved in this. 1526 01:15:19,628 --> 01:15:20,959 It's a lot of people. 1527 01:15:59,768 --> 01:16:01,360 - "Pentagarm. " 1528 01:16:01,403 --> 01:16:02,836 "Pentagarm," it says. 1529 01:16:02,872 --> 01:16:06,171 It does. It says g-a-r-m. 1530 01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:07,675 That's all right. 1531 01:16:07,710 --> 01:16:12,238 I live in hell anyway. What's the fucking difference? 1532 01:16:12,281 --> 01:16:13,475 - Check, uh. 1533 01:16:13,515 --> 01:16:15,813 Uh-uh. 1534 01:16:15,851 --> 01:16:17,716 Hey-hey-hey, check-check-check. 1535 01:16:17,753 --> 01:16:19,618 82. 1536 01:16:22,358 --> 01:16:23,552 - Yeah, there's my pants. 1537 01:16:23,592 --> 01:16:24,889 That's all I'm wearing for pants. 1538 01:16:24,927 --> 01:16:28,294 It's just black, tight pants. 1539 01:16:28,330 --> 01:16:31,697 This I'm thinking is what people like, 'cause it's paisley. 1540 01:16:31,734 --> 01:16:34,168 You know what I mean? 1541 01:16:34,203 --> 01:16:36,433 And it's very, very old look. 1542 01:16:36,472 --> 01:16:38,667 A '70, you know, '60s, whatever. 1543 01:16:38,707 --> 01:16:41,141 It's hippie, all right? 1544 01:16:41,176 --> 01:16:46,478 But... you can't out-flamboyant that. 1545 01:16:46,515 --> 01:16:48,813 That's a motherfucker, isn't it? 1546 01:16:48,851 --> 01:16:50,512 I mean, this is a true- 1547 01:16:50,552 --> 01:16:51,519 feel this thing. 1548 01:16:51,553 --> 01:16:54,147 Feel how bizarre it feels. 1549 01:16:54,189 --> 01:16:56,157 The first time that I started using these clothes, 1550 01:16:56,191 --> 01:16:59,160 did I think I'd be breaking them out again? 1551 01:16:59,194 --> 01:17:00,627 I thought I'd be throwing them out, 1552 01:17:00,663 --> 01:17:02,426 but I don't know about breaking them out. 1553 01:17:04,033 --> 01:17:05,022 It's weird, isn't it? 1554 01:17:05,067 --> 01:17:08,195 They're all my mom's. 1555 01:17:08,237 --> 01:17:13,903 I just thank God above for everything that has transpired, 1556 01:17:13,943 --> 01:17:21,281 and the people have phenomenally 1557 01:17:21,317 --> 01:17:24,684 astonished me, astounded me 1558 01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,748 with their devotion and their mega support. 1559 01:17:29,792 --> 01:17:38,564 And it's finally caught on to the fact that... 1560 01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,003 what goes will always come back. 1561 01:17:45,774 --> 01:17:47,401 - We came all the way from L.A. for this, 1562 01:17:47,443 --> 01:17:51,038 and it's a really important night, obviously. 1563 01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,880 It's almost like Bobby's return, you know? 1564 01:18:21,477 --> 01:18:23,707 - Hey, everybody in the whole place, man, 1565 01:18:23,746 --> 01:18:25,077 God bless all of you, 1566 01:18:25,114 --> 01:18:27,139 and I mean it from the bottom of my heart, thank you. 1567 01:18:27,182 --> 01:18:29,173 I mean it. 1568 01:18:29,218 --> 01:18:30,776 - Thank you. - Thank you, Bobby. 1569 01:18:30,819 --> 01:18:34,380 - I truly mean it. God bless all of you. 1570 01:18:34,423 --> 01:18:35,890 - Bobby! 1571 01:18:40,295 --> 01:18:41,262 The legend! 1572 01:19:02,051 --> 01:19:03,780 Pentagram! 1573 01:19:03,819 --> 01:19:08,688 Pentagram! Pentagram! Pentagram! 1574 01:19:32,748 --> 01:19:34,477 - I love you. 1575 01:19:37,886 --> 01:19:39,683 God bless all of you. 1576 01:19:42,191 --> 01:19:44,216 I can't believe this is real. 1577 01:19:44,259 --> 01:19:46,454 I mean, I do. 1578 01:19:46,495 --> 01:19:48,656 I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart, 1579 01:19:48,697 --> 01:19:51,359 and I mean this deep down inside. 1580 01:19:52,401 --> 01:19:53,493 You came through. 1581 01:19:53,535 --> 01:19:56,971 Without you, I ain't. 1582 01:19:57,005 --> 01:19:59,371 You get my message? 1583 01:22:41,370 --> 01:22:43,804 Thank God for all of you! 1584 01:22:54,850 --> 01:22:56,078 - Thank you. Thank you. 1585 01:22:56,118 --> 01:22:59,178 - Made my fucking lifetime, man. 1586 01:22:59,221 --> 01:23:00,984 - Thanks, Bobby. Thank you so much. 1587 01:23:01,023 --> 01:23:04,117 I know you're tired. Thank you so much. 1588 01:23:04,159 --> 01:23:06,719 - Bobby, that was fucking awesome. 1589 01:23:06,762 --> 01:23:07,956 - That was great. 1590 01:23:07,996 --> 01:23:09,623 - Thank you, Bobby. That was awesome, man. 1591 01:23:09,665 --> 01:23:10,654 It was right on. 1592 01:23:10,699 --> 01:23:12,690 - It was overpowering. 1593 01:23:12,734 --> 01:23:14,395 I'm still feeling- I'm getting choked up. 1594 01:23:14,436 --> 01:23:16,700 I mean, I went from laughing, like, hysterically 1595 01:23:16,738 --> 01:23:19,366 to, like, crying. 1596 01:23:19,408 --> 01:23:20,898 I just-I can't explain it, 1597 01:23:20,942 --> 01:23:23,809 and for me, I just felt like a kid. 1598 01:23:23,845 --> 01:23:26,541 To be on the side of the stage and watching my favorite band 1599 01:23:26,581 --> 01:23:29,175 at their biggest show ever, 1600 01:23:29,217 --> 01:23:31,947 and knowing I had something to do with it, I just- 1601 01:23:31,987 --> 01:23:35,013 it's like-it's a fucking Christmas gift, dude. 1602 01:23:35,057 --> 01:23:36,319 You know? 1603 01:23:36,358 --> 01:23:39,122 It's fucking Hanukkah, Christmas, and Kwanzaa 1604 01:23:39,161 --> 01:23:40,560 all in one, 1605 01:23:40,595 --> 01:23:42,756 and Bobby Liebling delivering the presents. 1606 01:23:42,798 --> 01:23:44,197 It's fucking great. 1607 01:23:44,232 --> 01:23:48,191 If it all falls apart now, I'm fucking happy as shit. 1608 01:23:48,236 --> 01:23:50,397 If an arrow fucking comes, hits me in the head right now, 1609 01:23:50,439 --> 01:23:51,929 I don't care; I feel great. 1610 01:23:51,973 --> 01:23:53,167 I'm just psyched, dude. 1611 01:23:53,208 --> 01:23:55,438 This is the best night of my life, really. 1612 01:23:57,479 --> 01:23:59,970 - I'm alive. 1613 01:24:00,015 --> 01:24:03,007 I'm alive, and that's something 1614 01:24:03,051 --> 01:24:05,519 that I would have never expected, 1615 01:24:05,554 --> 01:24:07,545 and three or four hospital record books 1616 01:24:07,589 --> 01:24:11,116 say the same damn thing. 1617 01:24:11,159 --> 01:24:14,526 But, you know, 1618 01:24:14,563 --> 01:24:16,963 who knows what you got in the cards, right? 1619 01:24:16,998 --> 01:24:18,761 You got to spin that wheel. 1620 01:24:21,069 --> 01:24:23,094 "Life is like a box of chocolates. 1621 01:24:23,138 --> 01:24:25,971 You never know what you're gonna get. " 1622 01:24:52,567 --> 01:24:54,432 Okay. 1623 01:24:59,508 --> 01:25:01,032 Come out and get your breakfast, baby. 1624 01:25:01,076 --> 01:25:04,409 It's sausage and toast. 1625 01:25:04,446 --> 01:25:07,108 Hallie? Hal? 1626 01:25:07,149 --> 01:25:10,550 - Coming. - You want to come out and eat? 1627 01:25:10,585 --> 01:25:12,576 All right? 1628 01:25:12,621 --> 01:25:14,680 Here, I'm gonna show them half of the eggs. 1629 01:25:14,723 --> 01:25:16,554 I had to scramble them, but they're- 1630 01:25:16,591 --> 01:25:18,582 Daddy makes a good breakfast. 1631 01:25:21,630 --> 01:25:24,098 - After he played the Webster Hall show, 1632 01:25:24,132 --> 01:25:26,498 he started getting the ball rolling again with his work 1633 01:25:26,535 --> 01:25:28,526 and had started, like, at least trying 1634 01:25:28,570 --> 01:25:31,505 to get out of his parents' 1635 01:25:31,540 --> 01:25:33,872 and having something to do 1636 01:25:33,909 --> 01:25:39,006 rather than just sitting around and destroying himself. 1637 01:25:39,047 --> 01:25:40,514 I had always thought about him. 1638 01:25:40,549 --> 01:25:42,540 He'd never left my mind, 1639 01:25:42,584 --> 01:25:45,883 and I just called to check on him. 1640 01:25:45,921 --> 01:25:47,912 It progressed from there. 1641 01:25:47,956 --> 01:25:52,393 From him coming back here to visit and him being sober, 1642 01:25:52,427 --> 01:25:56,454 we're just both really happy, and it's pretty harmonious. 1643 01:25:56,498 --> 01:25:58,591 Like, I like his intensity 1644 01:25:58,633 --> 01:26:00,658 because it's different from what I am, 1645 01:26:00,702 --> 01:26:03,262 and we meet, like, somewhere in the middle. 1646 01:26:03,305 --> 01:26:07,571 But it's not so outrageous, like how it was. 1647 01:26:07,609 --> 01:26:12,603 It's a kind, natural intensity rather than craziness. 1648 01:26:12,647 --> 01:26:16,208 It's really been incredible to watch his metamorphosis. 1649 01:26:16,251 --> 01:26:19,414 Bobby's like a miracle to me. 1650 01:26:19,454 --> 01:26:21,649 I just have to kind of trust my heart and my instincts 1651 01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:22,657 in this situation. 1652 01:26:22,691 --> 01:26:26,923 I have had to a lot, like, um, 1653 01:26:26,962 --> 01:26:29,556 and just trust him because he's more likely 1654 01:26:29,598 --> 01:26:33,432 to pan out the way that I want him to 1655 01:26:33,468 --> 01:26:35,163 if I trust him sincerely, 1656 01:26:35,203 --> 01:26:37,433 instead of, you know, just half-ass, 1657 01:26:37,472 --> 01:26:38,905 like, "Okay, we'll see how it goes. " 1658 01:26:38,940 --> 01:26:40,771 But, like, just having one foot in the water. 1659 01:26:42,110 --> 01:26:43,475 Here-I'm not supposed to do this, 1660 01:26:43,512 --> 01:26:45,480 but you can have one more piece of toast. 1661 01:26:45,514 --> 01:26:47,038 Here, one more bite for you is all. 1662 01:26:47,082 --> 01:26:54,818 After the American tour, we had a very deep, unified period 1663 01:26:54,856 --> 01:26:56,721 that I recall pretty well 1664 01:26:56,758 --> 01:27:02,663 of bonding with intent of... 1665 01:27:02,697 --> 01:27:04,494 this is for eternity. 1666 01:27:09,037 --> 01:27:11,528 - We got married the end of November. 1667 01:27:11,573 --> 01:27:12,733 - Day before Thanksgiving. 1668 01:27:12,774 --> 01:27:15,038 - Yeah, it was the day before Thanksgiving. 1669 01:27:15,076 --> 01:27:17,510 - You know, right there. That's it. 1670 01:27:17,546 --> 01:27:18,740 It's for life. 1671 01:27:18,780 --> 01:27:21,749 You know, love is forever, and love is for two. 1672 01:27:21,783 --> 01:27:23,546 - I got to put it on his joke-shop finger too, 1673 01:27:23,585 --> 01:27:25,883 the one with the knuckle cut out. 1674 01:27:25,921 --> 01:27:27,855 As his wedding finger. 1675 01:27:27,889 --> 01:27:29,516 We were getting married, and I was like, 1676 01:27:29,558 --> 01:27:31,549 "Aw, I get to put it on his little fucked-up finger. " 1677 01:27:34,596 --> 01:27:35,961 - The cute little finger. 1678 01:27:35,997 --> 01:27:37,794 - Yeah, my joke-shop finger. 1679 01:27:37,832 --> 01:27:39,663 - Yeah, it's like... 1680 01:27:39,701 --> 01:27:41,225 - It's like it doesn't have any knuckle. 1681 01:27:41,269 --> 01:27:42,429 - Yeah, there's no knuckle. 1682 01:27:47,976 --> 01:27:50,342 - We've been through an awful lot 1683 01:27:50,378 --> 01:27:52,539 in the two-plus years 1684 01:27:52,581 --> 01:27:57,211 that we've, you know, known each other, 1685 01:27:57,252 --> 01:27:59,982 and now we're on paper, 1686 01:28:00,021 --> 01:28:04,355 and this is Mrs. Robert Liebling. 1687 01:28:04,392 --> 01:28:06,087 - I looked at all of your labs. 1688 01:28:06,127 --> 01:28:08,357 Everything looks great. 1689 01:28:08,396 --> 01:28:15,359 - I am very ecstatically, happily married 1690 01:28:15,403 --> 01:28:18,861 and, uh, expecting. 1691 01:28:18,907 --> 01:28:23,003 There's a bun in the oven. 1692 01:28:23,044 --> 01:28:25,478 I don't know another way to put it, you know? 1693 01:28:25,513 --> 01:28:27,879 It's gonna be corny anyway, but it's not corny to me. 1694 01:28:27,916 --> 01:28:29,440 It's my whole life. 1695 01:28:29,484 --> 01:28:32,715 We're gonna have a baby. 1696 01:28:32,754 --> 01:28:36,246 - Hold this? 1697 01:28:36,291 --> 01:28:39,351 - Do you have names picked out for girls or boys? 1698 01:28:39,394 --> 01:28:40,759 - Yeah, we agree on nothing. 1699 01:28:40,795 --> 01:28:42,592 - You can lie down. - We agree on next to nothing. 1700 01:28:44,833 --> 01:28:46,562 Sounds about right. 1701 01:29:04,786 --> 01:29:08,187 It's, like, coming in and out of my little machine. 1702 01:29:08,223 --> 01:29:10,054 - Mm-hmm. 1703 01:29:10,091 --> 01:29:13,288 - What a troublemaker. 1704 01:29:15,730 --> 01:29:18,096 Come on. Come back. 1705 01:29:18,133 --> 01:29:19,100 There we go. 1706 01:29:20,735 --> 01:29:24,831 Sounds perfect. 1707 01:29:24,873 --> 01:29:26,898 Perfect. 1708 01:29:26,941 --> 01:29:29,671 Right where it should be. 1709 01:29:36,217 --> 01:29:37,809 That's great. 1710 01:29:37,852 --> 01:29:43,984 - That's something I never dreamt would ever come about. 1711 01:29:44,025 --> 01:29:47,017 And, um... look out, world. 1712 01:29:47,062 --> 01:29:49,724 There's gonna be another me. 129791

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