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In the criminal justice system,
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the people are represented
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by two separate, yet
equally important groups:
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the police, who investigate crime,
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and the district attorneys,
who prosecute the offenders.
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These are their stories.
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You look great.
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Are you sure?
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I swear.
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You're perfect.
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Okay, people.
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Places, everyone.
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Places!
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Quiet on set!
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And action.
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My Best Defense.
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It literally does everything.
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Shields your skin from harmful
UV rays, hides blemishes,
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leaves you looking and feeling flawless.
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Use it as part of your
daily skincare routine.
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It's the only protection
you'll ever need.
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And cut!
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Beautiful.
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Let's reset and do it one more time.
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There's a guy downstairs
looking for you.
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She's a kid.
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Can't be more than 16, 17.
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MLI says body temp and
rigidity puts time of death
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between 7:00 and 10:00 p.m.
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We got a name?
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No. No wallet, no ID, no phone.
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Oh, boy.
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Looks like she went face
first into this dumpster, huh?
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Yeah, she was strangled too.
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Got petechial hemorrhaging in
her eyes, marks on her neck.
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Oh.
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Necktie.
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Make sure we get that to
the lab and have that tested.
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Clothing still intact, so
probably not a sexual assault.
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Who found the body?
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Maintenance guy from
the flower shop nearby.
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911 call came in at 8:07 p.m.
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You know, I noticed they had a camera.
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Let's make sure we
get that footage, okay?
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Mm-hmm.
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Somebody lost their child tonight.
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And they probably don't even know it.
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About an hour ago, I
was taking out the trash.
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I saw her legs.
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And then all of a sudden, a guy bolted
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from behind the dumpster.
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Which way did he go?
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- Up towards that corner.
- Thank you.
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You get a good look at him?
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Yeah, uh, white, thin, about 5'5".
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- Hair color?
- Blond.
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And he was wearing a blue puffy jacket.
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Okay.
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We're looking for a male,
5'5", thin, blond hair,
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wearing a blue jacket.
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Let's set up a perimeter north
of Christopher, south of Bank.
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Let's go.
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Yeah, blue puffer. Hey, kid.
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Hey! Police!
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Kid, stop!
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NYPD!
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Hey! Stop!
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Hey! Do not move!
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Keep your hands right there.
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Get on the van.
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That's nice. Where'd you get this?
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- I found it.
- You found it, huh? Where?
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- In the trash.
- In the trash.
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- How old are you?
- 18.
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- Try again.
- 15.
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15.
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He's 15.
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We recovered the murder weapon,
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and we're getting it tested for DNA.
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And if it's a match,
that means life in prison.
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I didn't kill anyone, though.
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Does this kid look
like he wears a necktie?
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We got a witness that says
they saw him running away
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from the dead woman's body.
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He was found with a very
expensive piece of women's jewelry.
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Now, I'm willing to bet that we will
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be able to prove that that bracelet
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belongs to the dead girl.
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Yeah.
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I was looking for food.
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And she was already dead,
so I took the bracelet.
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All right, and how about
her phone and her wallet?
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That's all there was.
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I swear.
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You living on the street?
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His mother has a problem with drugs.
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How about your father?
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I don't have one.
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All right.
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We will be right back.
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Did the kid's story check out?
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Got video from the flower shop
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that was near the crime scene.
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Check this out.
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So that is our victim
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27 minutes before the
maintenance guy found her.
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But keep watching. It gets interesting.
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Whoever the mystery man is, he drags her
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in the direction of the dumpster,
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where the body was found.
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And then...
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24 minutes later, there's Joey
walking towards the dumpster...
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no cameras back there.
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Then three minutes
later, he comes back out
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with the vic's bracelet.
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He's telling the truth.
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- Okay, call Social Services.
- Already did.
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Uh, how'd you make
out at Missing Persons?
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I cross-checked all the new reports.
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No luck.
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Facial rec?
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Flower shop footage is too grainy.
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This is the only other
photo we have of her,
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and her face is too messed
up to make a comparison.
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Poor kid.
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The victim's DNA is on the necktie,
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along with someone else's.
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You run it through the database?
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It's not in the system, so we
can eliminate convicted felons.
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Anything else?
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Well, it's likely a Caucasian male,
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but there's no shared genetic
makeup with the victim.
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So we can eliminate
biological family members.
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Well, that only leaves us
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with a few hundred million suspects.
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Yeah.
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Well, in the more bad news department,
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I still haven't been able to determine
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this victim's identity.
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I can't believe her parents
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haven't reported her missing yet.
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I know.
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- Thank you.
- Yeah.
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Vince, I need you guys to
go back and canvass the area
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around the crime scene,
see if anybody can identify
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the picture of the vic.
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Have you seen this woman?
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Sorry.
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- Any luck?
- None.
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Excuse me, miss?
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Have you seen this woman?
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Yeah, I've seen her
around the neighborhood.
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Do you know her name?
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I've got ten preschool
kids to keep an eye on.
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I don't really have time to socialize.
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How about yesterday?
You see her yesterday?
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Yeah.
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She was with a guy, and
he was yelling at her.
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Could you hear what he was saying?
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No.
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What time was this?
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Well, I was on my way home
from work, so around 4:30.
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And this guy, had you
ever seen him before?
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No, sorry.
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Can you describe what he looked like?
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Uh, white, medium build,
medium height, bald.
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How old was he?
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Old. Like, 50?
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Oh, and he was smoking a cigarette.
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Can you show us where he was standing?
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Thank you.
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I don't see any cigarette butts.
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Mm.
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Here we go.
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It's a long shot.
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Maybe we can get some
prints off the box.
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I'll call the lab, see
if they can rush it.
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Yeah, if we can't get him on murder,
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maybe we can get him for littering.
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Mr. Paven, NYPD.
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Need to ask you a few questions.
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Hey, what's up?
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You know this woman?
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What'd she say?
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- Nothing now.
- You got a gun on you?
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- Yeah.
- Hands on the car.
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Oh, wait, man!
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But the gun is legal.
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All right? I'm on the job.
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You're a limo driver.
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Yeah, I also work private security.
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Yeah, well, if everything
checks out, you'll get it back.
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- Come on.
- I'm not going anywhere, man.
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My client is in that building.
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Tell him he's gotta find another ride.
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Is this really necessary?
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Look, whatever that
bitch said, it is a lie.
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You've got a lot of anger
towards this young woman...
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girl...
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and she's dead.
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And we have a witness who saw
you bullying her a few hours
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before she was killed.
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Now, why were you, a grown
man, yelling at a teenage girl
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on the sidewalk?
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Maybe I should have a
lawyer here or something.
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That's fine by me.
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In the meantime, I'm going
to confiscate your gun.
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Wait, look, I need that for work.
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I've got a license for it.
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You can't just take that from me.
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Yes, I can.
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You're a person of
interest in a murder case.
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You're refusing to
cooperate with the police.
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As far as I'm concerned, that
makes you a threat to public safety.
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H... hold on.
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Look.
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My son, all right, he follows
that girl on social media.
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She was pushing some new sports drink.
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You know, said that it
would make him strong
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and full of energy or
some bull like that.
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I mean, this girl made it a contest.
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How many can you drink in a row?
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So my kid ended up downing, like,
five of them in less than an hour.
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And there was so much caffeine in it
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that he ended up having
a freaking heart attack.
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I'm serious, all right? He almost died.
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How did you find her?
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That girl posted, like,
everything she did,
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literally everything.
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So I knew that she
was doing a commercial.
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She even said the name of the studio.
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So I looked it up, went down there,
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and, you know, I had
a little talk with her.
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Okay, where were you between
7:00 and 10:00 p.m. last night?
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I was in Jersey with a client.
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I can give you his
contact info if you need.
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Yeah, I'm gonna need the name
of the young woman you accosted.
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Kaitlyn was so special.
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She's beautiful, inside and out.
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I've gotta ask, is there a reason
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that you didn't report
your daughter missing?
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She didn't live here. We didn't know.
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She doesn't live here anymore.
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She was 17?
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Yeah, um...
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She's a... a...
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she was a model,
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so she lived with a group of models.
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No school?
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She graduated early.
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But we're still very much involved.
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We... we spoke to her every night.
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Just not last night.
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We were at a premiere,
Michelle's premiere.
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She's a... she's a film director.
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I promised my daughter
I'd take her this weekend.
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Was Kaitlyn having any
problems with anyone?
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She... She had a boyfriend.
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He's... he's a little older.
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They were in the process of breaking up.
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Who the hell lets their
daughter live alone at 17?
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What do you mean?
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Kids leave for college
all the time at 18.
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- Same thing.
- No, no, no.
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00:12:00,294 --> 00:12:02,469
Big difference between 17 and 18.
266
00:12:02,470 --> 00:12:05,908
And college is filled with
college kids, you know?
267
00:12:05,909 --> 00:12:07,518
You gotta let them
fly at some point, bro.
268
00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:09,302
All I know is, when
my daughter turns 17,
269
00:12:09,303 --> 00:12:11,435
she's not shacking up with some
20-year-old dude named Dylan.
270
00:12:14,395 --> 00:12:17,180
She's dead?
271
00:12:17,181 --> 00:12:18,616
Oh.
272
00:12:18,617 --> 00:12:20,662
That's, like, surreal.
273
00:12:22,447 --> 00:12:23,447
Yeah.
274
00:12:23,448 --> 00:12:25,101
Uh, hey, hey, Dylan.
275
00:12:25,102 --> 00:12:26,493
Yeah?
276
00:12:26,494 --> 00:12:27,799
Are you planning on going somewhere?
277
00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,932
I just got back from Paris.
278
00:12:29,933 --> 00:12:32,021
I was there for a magazine shoot.
279
00:12:32,022 --> 00:12:34,675
When's the last time
you spoke to Kaitlyn?
280
00:12:34,676 --> 00:12:37,243
I texted her last night at
8:00 when I landed at JFK.
281
00:12:37,244 --> 00:12:38,984
Never heard back.
282
00:12:38,985 --> 00:12:40,464
Did that surprise you?
283
00:12:40,465 --> 00:12:42,466
We've been fighting a lot.
284
00:12:42,467 --> 00:12:44,686
About what?
285
00:12:46,384 --> 00:12:48,211
She was cheating on me.
286
00:12:48,212 --> 00:12:49,821
What makes you say that?
287
00:12:49,822 --> 00:12:51,605
She'd been acting all
weird, spending a lot of time
288
00:12:51,606 --> 00:12:53,956
with other people.
289
00:12:53,957 --> 00:12:59,657
And she didn't wanna
be, you know, intimate.
290
00:12:59,658 --> 00:13:01,660
Any idea who she was seeing?
291
00:13:06,796 --> 00:13:08,144
Can you show us her room?
292
00:13:16,936 --> 00:13:19,198
This her laptop?
293
00:13:19,199 --> 00:13:20,679
You know the password?
294
00:13:32,082 --> 00:13:33,822
Two hours before the murder, she googled
295
00:13:33,823 --> 00:13:35,867
the address of Daisy's Donuts.
296
00:13:35,868 --> 00:13:37,521
Four blocks from the murder scene.
297
00:13:37,522 --> 00:13:38,696
Looks like they make
a hell of a cruller,
298
00:13:38,697 --> 00:13:40,045
I'll give them that.
299
00:13:40,046 --> 00:13:42,395
Does anyone remember seeing Kaitlyn?
300
00:13:42,396 --> 00:13:44,223
- Nope.
- Did they have cameras?
301
00:13:44,224 --> 00:13:45,877
They weren't working.
302
00:13:45,878 --> 00:13:48,706
Manager just emailed me
the credit card receipts.
303
00:13:48,707 --> 00:13:50,056
Is her boyfriend's name in there?
304
00:13:52,015 --> 00:13:54,538
I don't see it.
305
00:13:54,539 --> 00:13:55,757
This is interesting, though.
306
00:14:02,460 --> 00:14:03,634
Did you find something?
307
00:14:03,635 --> 00:14:04,940
Do you know who killed my daughter?
308
00:14:04,941 --> 00:14:06,506
We need to speak to
your husband right now.
309
00:14:06,507 --> 00:14:08,204
- Is he here?
- Yes, yes. Of course.
310
00:14:08,205 --> 00:14:09,597
Come in. He's...
311
00:14:12,992 --> 00:14:14,384
What's going on?
312
00:14:14,385 --> 00:14:16,473
- Do you guys have an update?
- We do.
313
00:14:16,474 --> 00:14:18,605
We can talk about it
down at the precinct.
314
00:14:18,606 --> 00:14:20,085
Now?
315
00:14:20,086 --> 00:14:21,434
Right now.
316
00:14:21,435 --> 00:14:23,697
It's a little late in the day.
317
00:14:23,698 --> 00:14:25,395
Couldn't we do this first
thing in the morning?
318
00:14:25,396 --> 00:14:27,005
No, this can't wait.
319
00:14:27,006 --> 00:14:29,747
And we would prefer
to do it in our office.
320
00:14:29,748 --> 00:14:32,576
So we need you to come with us.
321
00:14:32,577 --> 00:14:34,447
I don't understand. What's the problem?
322
00:14:34,448 --> 00:14:35,884
Am I under arrest?
323
00:14:35,885 --> 00:14:37,146
We're giving you an opportunity
324
00:14:37,147 --> 00:14:39,278
to come in voluntarily.
325
00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:40,279
But if not...
326
00:14:44,154 --> 00:14:45,981
I guess so.
327
00:14:52,510 --> 00:14:55,207
We've got a credit card
receipt that puts you
328
00:14:55,208 --> 00:14:57,557
in a café a few blocks
from the crime scene
329
00:14:57,558 --> 00:14:59,951
a half hour before Kaitlyn was killed.
330
00:14:59,952 --> 00:15:02,432
And Kaitlyn just happened to
google the address of that café
331
00:15:02,433 --> 00:15:04,216
a couple hours before she was killed.
332
00:15:04,217 --> 00:15:05,957
And we got surveillance
video from a flower shop
333
00:15:05,958 --> 00:15:08,655
down the block that picked you
up after you left the café.
334
00:15:08,656 --> 00:15:11,136
It shows a man who looks a lot like you
335
00:15:11,137 --> 00:15:12,964
grabbing Kaitlyn by
the arm and pushing her
336
00:15:12,965 --> 00:15:14,444
in the direction of the crime scene.
337
00:15:14,445 --> 00:15:16,707
And you told us that you
didn't talk to Kaitlyn
338
00:15:16,708 --> 00:15:17,969
the day that she was murdered.
339
00:15:17,970 --> 00:15:20,145
- Isn't that right?
- Mm-hmm, yeah. Yeah.
340
00:15:20,146 --> 00:15:22,669
You lied about your
alibi, too, didn't you?
341
00:15:22,670 --> 00:15:24,149
Said you were at a movie premiere?
342
00:15:24,150 --> 00:15:25,803
No, I was...
343
00:15:25,804 --> 00:15:27,674
I was at the premiere.
344
00:15:27,675 --> 00:15:28,806
Really.
345
00:15:28,807 --> 00:15:30,590
Well, the time stamp on the bill here
346
00:15:30,591 --> 00:15:33,115
says that you paid six minutes
after the movie started.
347
00:15:33,116 --> 00:15:34,768
- So help me out here.
- Correct.
348
00:15:34,769 --> 00:15:36,988
I had coffee with my daughter,
and then I went to the movie.
349
00:15:36,989 --> 00:15:39,426
- I got there late.
- Hmm.
350
00:15:46,042 --> 00:15:49,479
Here's me and Michelle at the theater.
351
00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,916
That corroborates my client's alibi.
352
00:15:51,917 --> 00:15:54,397
The theater is, like, 15
minutes from the crime scene.
353
00:15:54,398 --> 00:15:56,877
He could have killed Kaitlyn
and gotten back to the theater
354
00:15:56,878 --> 00:15:58,140
before the movie was over.
355
00:15:58,141 --> 00:15:59,576
Still, I'm confused.
356
00:15:59,577 --> 00:16:01,491
Didn't the ME tell you the
DNA on the murder weapon
357
00:16:01,492 --> 00:16:04,624
didn't come from anyone
in Kaitlyn's family?
358
00:16:04,625 --> 00:16:08,019
The ME said that the
killer's DNA profile
359
00:16:08,020 --> 00:16:12,241
didn't share any genetic
similarities with the victim.
360
00:16:12,242 --> 00:16:14,112
He's not Kaitlyn's biological father?
361
00:16:14,113 --> 00:16:15,853
According to family court records,
362
00:16:15,854 --> 00:16:19,683
Ron adopted Kaitlyn
after he married Michelle
363
00:16:19,684 --> 00:16:21,902
about ten years ago.
364
00:16:21,903 --> 00:16:24,514
Can I go home now?
365
00:16:24,515 --> 00:16:26,037
No.
366
00:16:26,038 --> 00:16:27,560
We have a few more questions.
367
00:16:27,561 --> 00:16:29,693
Hold him while you get
a warrant for his DNA.
368
00:16:29,694 --> 00:16:32,044
If it matches the necktie,
charge him with murder.
369
00:16:40,618 --> 00:16:43,054
Calling docket ending in 5912,
370
00:16:43,055 --> 00:16:45,100
People v. Ronald Lawson,
371
00:16:45,101 --> 00:16:48,103
charging murder in the second degree.
372
00:16:48,104 --> 00:16:49,191
How do you plead, sir?
373
00:16:49,192 --> 00:16:51,062
My client pleads not guilty.
374
00:16:51,063 --> 00:16:52,803
I'll hear the People on bail.
375
00:16:52,804 --> 00:16:55,588
The victim in this case is
the defendant's daughter.
376
00:16:55,589 --> 00:16:57,547
The evidence shows that Mr. Lawson
377
00:16:57,548 --> 00:17:01,551
pushed her into a dumpster,
causing a severe head wound.
378
00:17:01,552 --> 00:17:03,944
Then, as she lay
bleeding on the pavement,
379
00:17:03,945 --> 00:17:06,251
he strangled her with his necktie.
380
00:17:06,252 --> 00:17:09,298
We have video and credit card statement
381
00:17:09,299 --> 00:17:11,082
putting him near the crime scene.
382
00:17:11,083 --> 00:17:13,171
His DNA is on the weapon.
383
00:17:13,172 --> 00:17:15,739
We'd submit that he's a
danger to the community
384
00:17:15,740 --> 00:17:18,089
and a flight risk.
People request remand.
385
00:17:18,090 --> 00:17:20,744
The only thing worse than
losing your child, Your Honor,
386
00:17:20,745 --> 00:17:24,313
is losing your child and then being
falsely accused of killing her.
387
00:17:24,314 --> 00:17:27,838
The People have no case,
no motive, no eyewitnesses.
388
00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,971
My client is a respected
member of his community.
389
00:17:30,972 --> 00:17:33,278
My client's wife, Michelle Burns,
390
00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:34,888
who is also the victim's mother,
391
00:17:34,889 --> 00:17:37,891
has signed an affidavit affirming that
392
00:17:37,892 --> 00:17:40,546
they were at a movie premiere
at the time of the murder.
393
00:17:40,547 --> 00:17:41,939
It was a three-hour film.
394
00:17:41,940 --> 00:17:44,507
He had more than enough
time to kill his daughter
395
00:17:44,508 --> 00:17:46,248
and saunter back into the theater
396
00:17:46,249 --> 00:17:48,294
to enjoy his wife's movie.
397
00:17:50,644 --> 00:17:52,820
The bail is set at 20 million.
398
00:17:55,780 --> 00:17:57,041
Don't worry, I got you.
399
00:17:57,042 --> 00:17:58,217
Okay?
400
00:18:04,484 --> 00:18:07,182
The victim's mother
posted bail for the killer?
401
00:18:07,183 --> 00:18:08,835
It was a first for me as well.
402
00:18:08,836 --> 00:18:12,274
She also doubled down on her
husband's so-called alibi.
403
00:18:12,275 --> 00:18:14,580
She obviously believes
in Lawson's innocence.
404
00:18:14,581 --> 00:18:16,060
Are we sure we got the right guy?
405
00:18:16,061 --> 00:18:17,801
Yeah, evidence is strong.
406
00:18:17,802 --> 00:18:19,107
What about motive?
407
00:18:19,108 --> 00:18:20,630
Why would Lawson kill his own child?
408
00:18:20,631 --> 00:18:23,328
That is the one missing piece.
409
00:18:23,329 --> 00:18:25,417
Have we done a deep dive
into their texts, emails?
410
00:18:25,418 --> 00:18:27,724
Well, I just finished, actually,
411
00:18:27,725 --> 00:18:29,552
and, uh, I think we have the answer.
412
00:18:29,553 --> 00:18:31,858
Kaitlyn made a video,
was supposed to go live
413
00:18:31,859 --> 00:18:33,773
the day she was killed.
414
00:18:33,774 --> 00:18:35,035
It's horrific.
415
00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,435
My father, Ron Lawson...
416
00:18:43,436 --> 00:18:45,829
sexually abused me.
417
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:50,834
It started when I was 14,
and he's still doing it.
418
00:18:50,835 --> 00:18:53,489
I know it sounds weird, but, uh,
419
00:18:53,490 --> 00:18:56,970
at first, it made me feel special.
420
00:18:56,971 --> 00:19:00,322
I actually thought I
was in love with him.
421
00:19:00,323 --> 00:19:03,499
But recently, I... I started to realize
422
00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:09,331
how horrible and abusive it actually is.
423
00:19:09,332 --> 00:19:10,985
So...
424
00:19:13,466 --> 00:19:16,207
I told him to stop.
425
00:19:16,208 --> 00:19:19,036
He wouldn't.
426
00:19:19,037 --> 00:19:22,344
So, um, I told my mother.
427
00:19:22,345 --> 00:19:26,784
But she wasn't... she
wasn't able to help.
428
00:19:28,916 --> 00:19:34,225
That's why I'm making this video,
429
00:19:34,226 --> 00:19:37,576
to tell the world my truth.
430
00:19:37,577 --> 00:19:39,752
The defendant killed Kaitlyn Lawson
431
00:19:39,753 --> 00:19:41,537
because he was afraid of exposure.
432
00:19:41,538 --> 00:19:43,800
He didn't want the world to know
433
00:19:43,801 --> 00:19:48,413
his disgusting, perverted secret.
434
00:19:48,414 --> 00:19:52,156
The evidence will show that
he invited her to a café,
435
00:19:52,157 --> 00:19:54,550
where he tried to talk her
out of posting the video.
436
00:19:54,551 --> 00:19:57,683
When she refused, he
grabbed her by the arm
437
00:19:57,684 --> 00:19:59,729
and dragged her behind a flower shop.
438
00:19:59,730 --> 00:20:03,080
He shoved her face-first
into a dumpster,
439
00:20:03,081 --> 00:20:08,955
and then he used his necktie
to strangle the life out of her.
440
00:20:08,956 --> 00:20:13,569
Ron Lawson thought by killing Kaitlyn,
441
00:20:13,570 --> 00:20:16,834
his secret would be safe, but...
442
00:20:19,053 --> 00:20:23,361
But now we all know what Kaitlyn knew.
443
00:20:23,362 --> 00:20:25,581
The defendant is a pedophile.
444
00:20:25,582 --> 00:20:28,540
He is also a killer.
445
00:20:28,541 --> 00:20:33,763
And he must answer to that.
446
00:20:33,764 --> 00:20:36,026
We're going to take a brief recess.
447
00:20:36,027 --> 00:20:38,158
I'll see you all back
here in 20 minutes.
448
00:20:50,911 --> 00:20:53,261
Get back! Get back!
449
00:20:53,262 --> 00:20:54,305
Stay...
450
00:20:54,306 --> 00:20:55,350
No, no, no, no!
451
00:20:55,351 --> 00:20:57,221
Back!
452
00:20:57,222 --> 00:20:59,049
Hey. Ron, put the gun down!
453
00:20:59,050 --> 00:21:01,181
Put it down!
454
00:21:01,182 --> 00:21:03,793
Do not do anything stupid.
455
00:21:03,794 --> 00:21:05,404
Put it down.
456
00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:10,278
No, no, no!
457
00:21:24,423 --> 00:21:26,119
- That was...
- Yeah.
458
00:21:26,120 --> 00:21:27,599
I don't even know how to process it.
459
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,992
Everybody okay?
460
00:21:28,993 --> 00:21:32,169
I'm just glad no one else was hurt.
461
00:21:36,740 --> 00:21:39,698
Where do we go from here?
462
00:21:39,699 --> 00:21:42,571
I presume you're gonna file a
motion to dismiss the charges?
463
00:21:42,572 --> 00:21:44,007
Yeah, we'll have to.
464
00:21:44,008 --> 00:21:46,401
Well, bastard got off
easy, if you ask me.
465
00:21:46,402 --> 00:21:48,141
Now nobody gets held accountable.
466
00:21:48,142 --> 00:21:52,102
Maybe we should look into the mother.
467
00:21:52,103 --> 00:21:54,017
Well, unfortunately, posting bail
468
00:21:54,018 --> 00:21:55,671
for your abusive husband isn't a crime.
469
00:21:55,672 --> 00:21:57,150
She didn't just post bail.
470
00:21:57,151 --> 00:21:59,065
She was aware that her
daughter was being abused,
471
00:21:59,066 --> 00:22:00,197
and she did nothing to protect her.
472
00:22:00,198 --> 00:22:01,807
She just let it happen.
473
00:22:01,808 --> 00:22:04,332
Hard to imagine.
474
00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:06,421
Is there a reason she
just looked the other way?
475
00:22:06,422 --> 00:22:08,161
Oh, no idea.
476
00:22:08,162 --> 00:22:09,902
Makes no sense to me.
477
00:22:09,903 --> 00:22:14,646
Her movies are all about female
empowerment and gender equality.
478
00:22:14,647 --> 00:22:15,865
So what do you wanna do?
479
00:22:15,866 --> 00:22:19,129
I wanna charge her with
endangering the welfare of a child.
480
00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:21,131
Can we prove Michelle had
knowledge of the abuse?
481
00:22:21,132 --> 00:22:22,741
We have Kaitlyn's video.
482
00:22:22,742 --> 00:22:25,004
Maybe.
483
00:22:25,005 --> 00:22:26,397
If we offer it for the truth,
484
00:22:26,398 --> 00:22:29,487
it'll likely be excluded as hearsay.
485
00:22:29,488 --> 00:22:31,055
But I'm with you, Nolan.
486
00:22:32,535 --> 00:22:35,014
Michelle Burns had a
duty to protect her child,
487
00:22:35,015 --> 00:22:37,235
and she didn't, and
now the girl's dead, so.
488
00:22:39,542 --> 00:22:40,977
Talk to Brady.
489
00:22:40,978 --> 00:22:42,892
Maybe she can figure out a
way to get Michelle to admit
490
00:22:42,893 --> 00:22:44,154
she knew what was going on
491
00:22:44,155 --> 00:22:45,286
between her husband and Kaitlyn.
492
00:22:49,856 --> 00:22:51,030
- Michelle.
- Oh.
493
00:22:51,031 --> 00:22:52,423
- Hi.
- Hi.
494
00:22:52,424 --> 00:22:54,251
Thanks so much for coming in.
495
00:22:54,252 --> 00:22:56,862
Do you want a coffee
or water or something?
496
00:22:56,863 --> 00:22:59,082
No. No, thank you.
497
00:22:59,083 --> 00:23:02,477
Well, I can't imagine
what you're going through.
498
00:23:02,478 --> 00:23:04,696
Yeah, it's, uh...
499
00:23:04,697 --> 00:23:07,525
it's been a long few days.
500
00:23:07,526 --> 00:23:09,135
I'm really very sorry, but I won't
501
00:23:09,136 --> 00:23:10,528
take up much of your time.
502
00:23:10,529 --> 00:23:13,576
I just... I just need to
tie up a few loose ends.
503
00:23:16,579 --> 00:23:17,580
Have a seat.
504
00:23:21,975 --> 00:23:25,543
Some of Kaitlyn's personal effects.
505
00:23:25,544 --> 00:23:30,069
I thought they might be
of some sentimental value.
506
00:23:30,070 --> 00:23:33,290
You can take them if you want.
507
00:23:33,291 --> 00:23:35,162
I just need you to sign that form.
508
00:23:41,473 --> 00:23:43,954
I have a lot of respect for your work.
509
00:23:45,477 --> 00:23:48,436
I think your movies are very powerful,
510
00:23:48,437 --> 00:23:50,873
and they remind me of Alice Munro.
511
00:23:50,874 --> 00:23:55,268
I know she's a novelist, but, um...
512
00:23:55,269 --> 00:23:57,446
I really admire her work as well.
513
00:24:00,318 --> 00:24:03,668
Yeah, you two have a lot in common.
514
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:07,019
I mean, you're both
feminists that wanted to raise
515
00:24:07,020 --> 00:24:10,240
strong, opinionated daughters, and...
516
00:24:10,241 --> 00:24:12,198
And both stayed with men
517
00:24:12,199 --> 00:24:14,463
even after we knew about their failings?
518
00:24:16,421 --> 00:24:19,336
Well, yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
519
00:24:19,337 --> 00:24:20,599
I know.
520
00:24:23,254 --> 00:24:25,342
I'm not here to judge, Michelle, really.
521
00:24:25,343 --> 00:24:29,302
Honestly, I'm just trying
to tie up some loose ends.
522
00:24:29,303 --> 00:24:31,740
But now that you mention
it, actually, I'm...
523
00:24:31,741 --> 00:24:33,482
I must say, I'm curious.
524
00:24:36,093 --> 00:24:37,355
About what?
525
00:24:38,835 --> 00:24:43,186
Well, you're a brilliant
and talented woman,
526
00:24:43,187 --> 00:24:45,971
a powerful woman.
527
00:24:45,972 --> 00:24:49,497
I... I... I just don't see how you could
528
00:24:49,498 --> 00:24:52,283
sit there and let that happen.
529
00:24:54,546 --> 00:24:58,462
I suppose I felt the same way Alice did.
530
00:24:58,463 --> 00:24:59,985
You know, I love them both very much,
531
00:24:59,986 --> 00:25:04,163
and I suppose I decided
that it was their business,
532
00:25:04,164 --> 00:25:06,992
and it wasn't my place to get involved.
533
00:25:09,256 --> 00:25:10,692
Not your place?
534
00:25:10,693 --> 00:25:14,609
Well, I know on some level, yes.
535
00:25:14,610 --> 00:25:17,394
I mean, if you eliminate
patriarchal norms
536
00:25:17,395 --> 00:25:20,963
and expectations, why should
I be expected to dismiss
537
00:25:20,964 --> 00:25:24,053
my own wants and desires,
538
00:25:24,054 --> 00:25:28,275
or even worse, dismiss those
wants and desires for my child?
539
00:25:30,408 --> 00:25:33,671
So you knew about the
video Kaitlyn made?
540
00:25:33,672 --> 00:25:36,195
Yes.
541
00:25:36,196 --> 00:25:38,937
And what about your
husband? Did he know?
542
00:25:38,938 --> 00:25:41,026
Yes, I... I told him.
543
00:25:50,471 --> 00:25:51,471
Well.
544
00:25:53,779 --> 00:25:57,566
Michelle, I have to tell
you, you make me sick.
545
00:25:59,437 --> 00:26:01,134
- What?
- Get up.
546
00:26:02,658 --> 00:26:04,484
- What the hell are you doing?
- Stand up.
547
00:26:04,485 --> 00:26:06,878
Put your hands behind your back.
548
00:26:08,011 --> 00:26:09,447
You're under arrest.
549
00:26:12,493 --> 00:26:14,582
She told her husband about the video?
550
00:26:14,583 --> 00:26:16,018
That Kaitlyn was planning to expose her?
551
00:26:16,019 --> 00:26:17,541
Sure did.
552
00:26:17,542 --> 00:26:19,282
She might as well have
handed him a loaded gun.
553
00:26:19,283 --> 00:26:22,938
Ask me, this is more
than child endangerment.
554
00:26:22,939 --> 00:26:25,070
You want me to charge
her with manslaughter?
555
00:26:25,071 --> 00:26:26,419
Man two.
556
00:26:26,420 --> 00:26:28,683
Michelle Burns had a
duty to protect her child,
557
00:26:28,684 --> 00:26:31,163
and her reckless actions and inactions
558
00:26:31,164 --> 00:26:33,514
directly led to her daughter's death.
559
00:26:37,693 --> 00:26:39,955
Sam.
560
00:26:39,956 --> 00:26:41,652
- Hi.
- Hey, how are you?
561
00:26:41,653 --> 00:26:43,480
I'm good.
562
00:26:43,481 --> 00:26:45,351
You represent Michelle Burns?
563
00:26:45,352 --> 00:26:47,310
I wish I wasn't.
564
00:26:47,311 --> 00:26:49,921
I can't believe you're
actually prosecuting her.
565
00:26:49,922 --> 00:26:51,140
She's a victim.
566
00:26:51,141 --> 00:26:52,663
Her daughter was murdered.
567
00:26:52,664 --> 00:26:54,273
Yeah, I get it.
568
00:26:54,274 --> 00:26:57,929
But she had a duty, a legal
duty to protect her daughter.
569
00:26:57,930 --> 00:26:59,801
She didn't. So.
570
00:26:59,802 --> 00:27:01,541
Well, you may be right,
571
00:27:01,542 --> 00:27:04,066
but it's more complicated than that.
572
00:27:04,067 --> 00:27:06,068
What are you talking about?
573
00:27:06,069 --> 00:27:09,638
Kaitlyn wasn't the only
woman Ron Lawson abused.
574
00:27:16,775 --> 00:27:19,124
I'm requesting the
court's permission to allow
575
00:27:19,125 --> 00:27:20,909
an expert witness at trial...
576
00:27:20,910 --> 00:27:24,173
a psychologist who can testify
to my client's state of mind
577
00:27:24,174 --> 00:27:27,132
as a victim of physical
and sexual abuse.
578
00:27:27,133 --> 00:27:29,134
How is that relevant to this case?
579
00:27:29,135 --> 00:27:30,483
Mr. Price has a point.
580
00:27:30,484 --> 00:27:32,007
What does a psychologist's opinion
581
00:27:32,008 --> 00:27:33,573
have to do with this matter?
582
00:27:33,574 --> 00:27:35,924
Well, the People are required
to prove that my client
583
00:27:35,925 --> 00:27:37,708
ignored an unjustifiable risk
584
00:27:37,709 --> 00:27:39,623
that someone's death would occur.
585
00:27:39,624 --> 00:27:43,061
I'd like to tell the jury
why she failed to act.
586
00:27:43,062 --> 00:27:44,672
Context is important.
587
00:27:44,673 --> 00:27:46,674
It cuts to the very core of our defense.
588
00:27:46,675 --> 00:27:50,068
The defendant's reasons
have no legal significance.
589
00:27:50,069 --> 00:27:51,330
This is just a veiled attempt
590
00:27:51,331 --> 00:27:53,333
to elicit sympathy from the jury.
591
00:27:54,857 --> 00:27:57,336
I'll allow counsel
to conduct a voir dire
592
00:27:57,337 --> 00:27:59,077
outside of the presence of the jury
593
00:27:59,078 --> 00:28:01,123
to see what this witness has to say.
594
00:28:01,124 --> 00:28:03,256
I'll issue my decision afterwards.
595
00:28:06,869 --> 00:28:11,046
Dr. Mankin, did you conduct
a forensic evaluation
596
00:28:11,047 --> 00:28:13,265
- of the defendant?
- I did.
597
00:28:13,266 --> 00:28:15,354
She reported that she
was in a physically
598
00:28:15,355 --> 00:28:17,139
and emotionally abusive marriage.
599
00:28:17,140 --> 00:28:20,708
Did she describe specific
instances of violence?
600
00:28:20,709 --> 00:28:24,624
A fractured eye socket, a
broken ankle, a concussion,
601
00:28:24,625 --> 00:28:28,280
and numerous bruises and cuts.
602
00:28:28,281 --> 00:28:30,718
Did she tell you about her childhood?
603
00:28:30,719 --> 00:28:33,285
Do I have to sit here
and listen to this?
604
00:28:33,286 --> 00:28:35,113
Your lawyer asked for this hearing.
605
00:28:35,114 --> 00:28:36,725
Please control your client.
606
00:28:40,293 --> 00:28:43,121
Please answer the question.
607
00:28:43,122 --> 00:28:44,862
When she was nine years old,
608
00:28:44,863 --> 00:28:46,995
Michelle was the victim of sexual abuse
609
00:28:46,996 --> 00:28:48,866
at the hands of an uncle.
610
00:28:48,867 --> 00:28:50,041
Did that surprise you?
611
00:28:50,042 --> 00:28:52,609
No. Children who are
raised in abusive homes
612
00:28:52,610 --> 00:28:55,177
are six times more
likely to find themselves
613
00:28:55,178 --> 00:28:57,745
in abusive relationships as adults.
614
00:28:57,746 --> 00:28:58,963
Why is that?
615
00:28:58,964 --> 00:29:00,748
For women like Michelle,
616
00:29:00,749 --> 00:29:04,491
abuse becomes their definition of love.
617
00:29:05,797 --> 00:29:06,797
Thank you.
618
00:29:06,798 --> 00:29:08,757
Nothing further.
619
00:29:10,323 --> 00:29:12,411
Cross-examination?
620
00:29:12,412 --> 00:29:14,762
Did the defendant ever
report any of this abuse?
621
00:29:14,763 --> 00:29:16,807
When she was a child,
she told her parents,
622
00:29:16,808 --> 00:29:19,810
but they didn't believe
her, and that was shattering.
623
00:29:19,811 --> 00:29:22,421
It reinforced her
sense of powerlessness.
624
00:29:22,422 --> 00:29:25,773
While the defendant
may have been suffering,
625
00:29:25,774 --> 00:29:28,297
wasn't she still capable
of protecting her daughter?
626
00:29:28,298 --> 00:29:31,953
I believe Michelle suffers
from dissociative disorder.
627
00:29:31,954 --> 00:29:34,477
Her survival depends on her ability
628
00:29:34,478 --> 00:29:36,914
to disengage emotionally.
629
00:29:36,915 --> 00:29:40,483
As a result, she lost her
ability to recognize danger,
630
00:29:40,484 --> 00:29:43,660
along with her maternal
instincts of protection.
631
00:29:43,661 --> 00:29:46,141
You're not saying she's
legally insane, are you?
632
00:29:46,142 --> 00:29:48,099
No, I'm not saying that.
633
00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:49,971
Thank you. Nothing further.
634
00:29:49,972 --> 00:29:51,929
You are excused.
635
00:29:55,499 --> 00:30:00,459
While what Ms. Burns
is alleging is tragic,
636
00:30:00,460 --> 00:30:04,028
it is clearly not relevant to this case.
637
00:30:04,029 --> 00:30:05,900
And as such, the law requires
638
00:30:05,901 --> 00:30:08,816
that you deny the defendant's motion.
639
00:30:08,817 --> 00:30:11,644
Respectfully, the defense has the right
640
00:30:11,645 --> 00:30:13,777
to present a full and complete picture
641
00:30:13,778 --> 00:30:16,127
of what happened... more specifically,
642
00:30:16,128 --> 00:30:17,782
why this happened.
643
00:30:20,132 --> 00:30:23,265
I agree with Mr. Price.
644
00:30:23,266 --> 00:30:26,311
But Your Honor, as a woman,
how can you possibly...
645
00:30:26,312 --> 00:30:27,617
Don't go there, Counsel.
646
00:30:27,618 --> 00:30:29,837
My decision is based on the law.
647
00:30:29,838 --> 00:30:32,709
And I find that the
defendant's state of mind
648
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:35,712
has no legal significance in this case.
649
00:30:35,713 --> 00:30:38,671
Therefore, the defendant's
motion is denied.
650
00:30:38,672 --> 00:30:42,980
Dr. Mankin will not be
allowed in this trial.
651
00:30:42,981 --> 00:30:44,373
We're adjourned.
652
00:30:44,374 --> 00:30:45,983
I'll see you all here tomorrow morning.
653
00:30:52,338 --> 00:30:53,904
I'm not sure about this.
654
00:30:53,905 --> 00:30:55,514
Sure about what?
655
00:30:55,515 --> 00:30:59,518
Leaving this evidence out
or even prosecuting Michelle.
656
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:01,956
She's a victim, Nolan.
657
00:31:09,660 --> 00:31:11,008
Hey.
658
00:31:11,009 --> 00:31:13,097
I've subpoenaed
Michelle's medical records.
659
00:31:13,098 --> 00:31:15,360
They corroborate the
psychologist's testimony.
660
00:31:15,361 --> 00:31:17,493
In the last ten years,
Michelle was treated
661
00:31:17,494 --> 00:31:19,756
for a broken ankle,
fractured eye socket,
662
00:31:19,757 --> 00:31:21,323
and a concussion.
663
00:31:21,324 --> 00:31:23,368
I also found a police report
from Westport, Connecticut,
664
00:31:23,369 --> 00:31:26,197
where Michelle and Ron used to live.
665
00:31:26,198 --> 00:31:29,200
Shows she called 911 to
report domestic violence.
666
00:31:29,201 --> 00:31:31,115
Withdrew her complaint a week later.
667
00:31:31,116 --> 00:31:33,944
Well, there was also a
report from Cleveland,
668
00:31:33,945 --> 00:31:35,293
where Michelle grew up.
669
00:31:35,294 --> 00:31:37,513
Teacher suspected there
was abuse in the home.
670
00:31:37,514 --> 00:31:40,037
I don't dispute that the abuse happened
671
00:31:40,038 --> 00:31:42,954
and that it's horrific.
672
00:31:45,522 --> 00:31:47,131
Jesus.
673
00:31:47,132 --> 00:31:49,960
It also certainly explains why
Michelle would stay with a man
674
00:31:49,961 --> 00:31:51,527
who was abusing her daughter.
675
00:31:51,528 --> 00:31:53,181
Yeah.
676
00:31:53,182 --> 00:31:55,700
But the fact remains, Michelle Burns
677
00:31:55,701 --> 00:31:57,663
had an obligation to protect her kid,
678
00:31:57,664 --> 00:31:59,317
and she did the exact opposite.
679
00:31:59,318 --> 00:32:02,059
She wasn't capable of helping.
680
00:32:02,060 --> 00:32:04,105
She was fighting for her own survival.
681
00:32:04,106 --> 00:32:05,454
You're right about that,
682
00:32:05,455 --> 00:32:09,023
but she let her husband
abuse Kaitlyn for years.
683
00:32:09,024 --> 00:32:10,981
And if that weren't enough, she told
684
00:32:10,982 --> 00:32:12,983
a violent, sexually abusive man that
685
00:32:12,984 --> 00:32:14,637
he was about to be
exposed as a pedophile,
686
00:32:14,638 --> 00:32:17,466
which directly led to her child's death.
687
00:32:17,467 --> 00:32:21,557
She was more a perpetrator than
victim in this instance anyway.
688
00:32:21,558 --> 00:32:24,560
What kind of precedent
would it be setting
689
00:32:24,561 --> 00:32:26,518
if we gave her a pass?
690
00:32:26,519 --> 00:32:28,999
Society demands that
people in positions of power
691
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,522
protect those who have none.
692
00:32:30,523 --> 00:32:32,002
Parents are the ones
who hold that power.
693
00:32:32,003 --> 00:32:33,699
Yeah, I agree.
694
00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:35,832
But it doesn't mean that
we don't have an obligation
695
00:32:35,833 --> 00:32:37,399
to protect Michelle too.
696
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,184
She's an adult. Kaitlyn
was a kid, a teenager.
697
00:32:40,185 --> 00:32:42,447
In case of a tie, Michelle loses.
698
00:32:42,448 --> 00:32:44,754
Sorry.
699
00:32:44,755 --> 00:32:46,538
Move forward with the trial.
700
00:32:56,723 --> 00:32:59,334
Lieutenant Brady, did you
speak with the defendant?
701
00:32:59,335 --> 00:33:01,205
I did.
702
00:33:01,206 --> 00:33:05,166
And she told me she was aware
that her husband had been
703
00:33:05,167 --> 00:33:07,255
sexually abusing her
daughter and that the abuse
704
00:33:07,256 --> 00:33:08,778
had gone on for several years.
705
00:33:08,779 --> 00:33:11,868
And did the defendant tell
her husband that Kaitlyn
706
00:33:11,869 --> 00:33:14,392
- was going to expose him?
- She did.
707
00:33:14,393 --> 00:33:17,352
And less than 24 hours
later, Kaitlyn was dead.
708
00:33:17,353 --> 00:33:19,963
Thank you. Nothing further.
709
00:33:19,964 --> 00:33:21,444
Cross-examination?
710
00:33:24,403 --> 00:33:27,579
My client didn't kill anyone.
711
00:33:27,580 --> 00:33:28,667
Fair to say?
712
00:33:28,668 --> 00:33:31,018
Fair to say.
713
00:33:31,019 --> 00:33:34,630
In fact, my client wasn't present
when Kaitlyn died, was she?
714
00:33:34,631 --> 00:33:36,197
Objection, relevance?
715
00:33:36,198 --> 00:33:38,374
Overruled. You may answer.
716
00:33:40,985 --> 00:33:42,638
I don't believe she was, no.
717
00:33:42,639 --> 00:33:45,597
The person who actually
did kill Kaitlyn,
718
00:33:45,598 --> 00:33:47,121
Ron Lawson, shot himself.
719
00:33:47,122 --> 00:33:49,427
So he's gone.
720
00:33:49,428 --> 00:33:52,648
And now you and Mr. Price are
trying to compound this tragedy
721
00:33:52,649 --> 00:33:54,215
by blaming it on his wife.
722
00:33:54,216 --> 00:33:55,520
Objection, argumentative.
723
00:33:55,521 --> 00:33:57,609
Withdrawn.
724
00:33:57,610 --> 00:33:58,655
Nothing further.
725
00:34:04,182 --> 00:34:06,662
I love my daughter very much.
726
00:34:07,968 --> 00:34:11,102
More than I can even...
727
00:34:17,282 --> 00:34:23,158
And I tried very hard to protect her.
728
00:34:25,334 --> 00:34:28,118
I know it wasn't enough, but I tried.
729
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:31,904
Tell the jury what you mean by that.
730
00:34:31,905 --> 00:34:38,085
I taught Kaitlyn to be a
strong, independent woman.
731
00:34:38,086 --> 00:34:41,392
I took her to self-defense classes.
732
00:34:41,393 --> 00:34:45,048
I... I helped her become
financially independent.
733
00:34:45,049 --> 00:34:49,271
I... I talked to her about
her sex, about her body.
734
00:34:51,447 --> 00:34:55,885
And when I became aware of what
735
00:34:55,886 --> 00:35:02,413
was going on with Ron, I...
736
00:35:02,414 --> 00:35:07,766
I encouraged her to move out of
the house as soon as possible.
737
00:35:07,767 --> 00:35:09,725
But you were having your own problems.
738
00:35:09,726 --> 00:35:10,943
Objection.
739
00:35:10,944 --> 00:35:12,119
Sustained.
740
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,252
We've been through this, Ms. Hogan.
741
00:35:15,253 --> 00:35:17,646
Your witness.
742
00:35:17,647 --> 00:35:20,039
Cross-examination?
743
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,085
After your husband was arrested
744
00:35:22,086 --> 00:35:24,218
for killing your daughter,
745
00:35:24,219 --> 00:35:26,176
you posted his bail, didn't you?
746
00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:31,703
- Yes.
- He was in custody.
747
00:35:31,704 --> 00:35:34,490
He was behind bars. And
you helped him get out?
748
00:35:36,883 --> 00:35:38,362
I did.
749
00:35:38,363 --> 00:35:43,715
You also helped him
create a false alibi?
750
00:35:43,716 --> 00:35:45,413
Yes.
751
00:35:45,414 --> 00:35:50,809
I know that this won't make
any sense, but I was afraid.
752
00:35:50,810 --> 00:35:52,376
And so I did what he said
753
00:35:52,377 --> 00:35:53,769
because that's the way it's always been.
754
00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:55,945
Because if I disappointed
him, he became violent!
755
00:35:55,946 --> 00:35:58,469
- Your Honor.
- Next question.
756
00:35:58,470 --> 00:36:02,604
You have made several very
successful films, haven't you?
757
00:36:02,605 --> 00:36:03,866
I suppose.
758
00:36:03,867 --> 00:36:06,216
One of your movies
is about a young woman
759
00:36:06,217 --> 00:36:08,218
who was abused by a family member.
760
00:36:08,219 --> 00:36:10,046
Objection, relevance.
761
00:36:10,047 --> 00:36:11,221
Overruled.
762
00:36:11,222 --> 00:36:12,615
Please answer.
763
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:17,314
It was an exploration
764
00:36:17,315 --> 00:36:19,751
in a complicated family relationship.
765
00:36:19,752 --> 00:36:23,451
In that movie, the
daughter is hurt so badly,
766
00:36:23,452 --> 00:36:25,148
she dies, doesn't she?
767
00:36:25,149 --> 00:36:27,368
Objection. Where is he going with this?
768
00:36:27,369 --> 00:36:29,674
The People are required
to prove that the defendant
769
00:36:29,675 --> 00:36:32,286
consciously disregarded a
substantial risk to her child,
770
00:36:32,287 --> 00:36:34,026
knowing that death could result.
771
00:36:34,027 --> 00:36:36,464
I'm simply trying to establish
that the defendant was aware
772
00:36:36,465 --> 00:36:38,944
of the risk involved in not
reporting her husband's abuse
773
00:36:38,945 --> 00:36:41,382
because she made a film about it.
774
00:36:41,383 --> 00:36:43,122
The objection is overruled.
775
00:36:43,123 --> 00:36:44,689
Please answer.
776
00:36:50,218 --> 00:36:52,828
In the film, the daughter dies.
777
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:57,093
In your home, your husband's
abuse of your daughter
778
00:36:57,094 --> 00:37:00,314
went on for years, didn't it?
779
00:37:00,315 --> 00:37:01,793
Unfortunately.
780
00:37:01,794 --> 00:37:03,621
And you told your husband that Kaitlyn
781
00:37:03,622 --> 00:37:05,493
was going to expose him, didn't you?
782
00:37:05,494 --> 00:37:06,711
Yes.
783
00:37:06,712 --> 00:37:09,714
And 24 hours later, she was dead.
784
00:37:09,715 --> 00:37:13,240
- Did I get that right?
- I...
785
00:37:13,241 --> 00:37:15,243
I made a mistake.
786
00:37:17,723 --> 00:37:20,856
I made a mistake.
787
00:37:20,857 --> 00:37:25,339
I wish I could do it all over again,
788
00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:28,080
be a different person,
a stronger person.
789
00:37:28,081 --> 00:37:29,691
But I wasn't, and I didn't.
790
00:37:29,692 --> 00:37:31,910
And I have to live with
that for the rest of my life.
791
00:37:31,911 --> 00:37:34,043
I'm afraid you do.
792
00:37:34,044 --> 00:37:36,001
I have nothing further.
793
00:37:43,009 --> 00:37:46,360
Nolan.
794
00:37:46,361 --> 00:37:48,840
What you did in there, using her film
795
00:37:48,841 --> 00:37:49,928
against her in that way?
796
00:37:49,929 --> 00:37:51,060
That was fair game, Sam.
797
00:37:51,061 --> 00:37:53,323
No, no, that was legal.
798
00:37:53,324 --> 00:37:55,978
But it wasn't fair.
799
00:37:55,979 --> 00:37:57,632
I...
800
00:37:57,633 --> 00:38:00,069
you're the one who always
says trials are supposed
801
00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:01,766
to be a search for the truth.
802
00:38:01,767 --> 00:38:04,726
So please tell me how the
hell the jury is supposed to
803
00:38:04,727 --> 00:38:07,859
make a decision about
Michelle, about this case
804
00:38:07,860 --> 00:38:10,340
when they don't have all the facts,
805
00:38:10,341 --> 00:38:12,777
when they don't actually know the truth.
806
00:38:12,778 --> 00:38:17,521
The jury decides what is and
isn't true based on the facts,
807
00:38:17,522 --> 00:38:20,437
on the relevant facts.
808
00:38:20,438 --> 00:38:25,355
I respect that you
are a man of principle,
809
00:38:25,356 --> 00:38:27,009
but I have my principles too.
810
00:38:27,010 --> 00:38:31,579
Well, then we'll just
have to agree to disagree.
811
00:38:31,580 --> 00:38:32,624
No.
812
00:38:37,368 --> 00:38:39,717
Do you really think that you know more
813
00:38:39,718 --> 00:38:43,939
about domestic violence than I do?
814
00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:47,377
I... I have counseled victims.
815
00:38:47,378 --> 00:38:49,336
I've volunteered at shelters.
816
00:38:49,337 --> 00:38:51,903
I studied the psychological
impact of trauma.
817
00:38:51,904 --> 00:38:55,603
And there's my sister, who
died at the hands of an abuser.
818
00:38:55,604 --> 00:38:59,389
So please don't tell me what
Michelle should have done
819
00:38:59,390 --> 00:39:01,652
or what she was legally required to do.
820
00:39:01,653 --> 00:39:03,872
She spent most of her life being abused.
821
00:39:03,873 --> 00:39:06,570
And the truth is, Nolan, she wasn't
822
00:39:06,571 --> 00:39:09,443
capable of protecting herself,
let alone her daughter.
823
00:39:09,444 --> 00:39:12,707
And there is no punishment in the world
824
00:39:12,708 --> 00:39:14,361
that is going to change that.
825
00:39:17,408 --> 00:39:19,409
Now, if you don't respect my opinion
826
00:39:19,410 --> 00:39:22,543
when it comes to this issue,
827
00:39:22,544 --> 00:39:26,024
then I don't know what the
hell I'm doing in this office.
828
00:39:30,859 --> 00:39:32,338
What do you mean, you wanna cut a deal?
829
00:39:32,339 --> 00:39:33,687
We've been through this.
830
00:39:33,688 --> 00:39:38,213
We agreed Michelle Burns failed
in her duty to protect her child.
831
00:39:38,214 --> 00:39:39,477
I'm having second thoughts.
832
00:39:42,001 --> 00:39:45,351
Sam has been pretty
passionate in her defense
833
00:39:45,352 --> 00:39:48,136
of Michelle Burns, and...
834
00:39:48,137 --> 00:39:49,703
I'm starting to see her point of view.
835
00:39:49,704 --> 00:39:52,880
I'm not so sure that sending
an abuse victim to prison
836
00:39:52,881 --> 00:39:55,622
for 15 years is the right call.
837
00:39:55,623 --> 00:39:57,624
Neither am I.
838
00:39:57,625 --> 00:40:00,061
But I have to look at the big picture.
839
00:40:00,062 --> 00:40:03,543
There are larger societal
implications here.
840
00:40:03,544 --> 00:40:06,067
You're right.
841
00:40:06,068 --> 00:40:11,333
But let's face it, Nick, Sam knows
more about these issues than we do.
842
00:40:11,334 --> 00:40:14,467
Maybe it's time for us
to start listening to her,
843
00:40:14,468 --> 00:40:18,515
instead of telling her why she's wrong.
844
00:40:26,436 --> 00:40:28,916
Your Honor, the defendant
has agreed to plead guilty,
845
00:40:28,917 --> 00:40:30,788
and we have a sentencing recommendation
846
00:40:30,789 --> 00:40:33,747
- for the court's consideration.
- I'll hear it.
847
00:40:33,748 --> 00:40:35,575
The defendant will admit to so much
848
00:40:35,576 --> 00:40:37,577
of the complaint that
alleges endangering
849
00:40:37,578 --> 00:40:39,013
the welfare of a child,
850
00:40:39,014 --> 00:40:41,320
and she will serve one year in jail,
851
00:40:41,321 --> 00:40:44,279
followed by three years of
post-release supervision.
852
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:45,934
Defense?
853
00:40:48,241 --> 00:40:49,763
We have agreed to the terms.
854
00:40:49,764 --> 00:40:53,550
Okay, Ms. Burns, I will
accept your change of plea
855
00:40:53,551 --> 00:40:56,335
and sentence you to one year in jail.
856
00:40:56,336 --> 00:40:57,945
Court is adjourned.
857
00:41:10,263 --> 00:41:14,309
Thank you for hearing me.
858
00:41:42,688 --> 00:41:47,688
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