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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,800 - Oh, no! - Get you on camera. 2 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,060 - No. - Get him on camera. 3 00:00:23,980 --> 00:00:27,020 This competition thing is amazing-- 4 00:00:27,020 --> 00:00:30,440 what it does to you, 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,730 what you put your body through 6 00:00:41,950 --> 00:00:44,080 The way I train and what I put my body through, 7 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:45,370 I knew I was gonna break down. 8 00:00:45,370 --> 00:00:47,330 I mean, it was just a matter of time. 9 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:51,920 I dove all over the court. 10 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,380 I knew I wasn't gonna last long, 11 00:00:53,380 --> 00:00:54,670 so I tried to get the most out of it. 12 00:00:54,670 --> 00:00:56,340 Wants it. Won't go down. 13 00:00:56,340 --> 00:00:58,300 Rebound. Akers kept it alive. 14 00:00:58,300 --> 00:01:00,140 Ooh, tough collision there between... 15 00:01:00,140 --> 00:01:03,060 Larry knew he was in trouble. 16 00:01:03,060 --> 00:01:06,890 But he did not want to leave the tradition of the Celtics 17 00:01:06,900 --> 00:01:10,650 without having somebody with an ability to take it over. 18 00:01:10,650 --> 00:01:13,440 Len Bias really on fire. 19 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,200 I was very high on Bias. 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,490 He thought that he might have had that 21 00:01:17,490 --> 00:01:18,950 somewhere along the way. 22 00:01:18,950 --> 00:01:20,320 Alley-oop to Reggie. 23 00:01:20,330 --> 00:01:21,530 Yes! 24 00:01:21,530 --> 00:01:23,740 That's the beauty of the Celtic organization. 25 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:25,000 Paul Pierce. 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,660 It was all about preparation, 27 00:01:26,660 --> 00:01:29,790 the new guard taking over. 28 00:01:29,790 --> 00:01:32,460 Larry had been ready to pass the torch 29 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:35,880 but continued to play for Red and the Boston Celtics. 30 00:01:44,180 --> 00:01:45,470 He doesn't regret it. 31 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:50,190 He just knows what the impact of doing that was. 32 00:01:50,940 --> 00:01:53,480 That's Larry. 33 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,570 That's just Larry. 34 00:01:55,570 --> 00:01:58,990 So anyway, what else you got? 35 00:02:02,740 --> 00:02:05,410 The Boston Celtics are the world champions. 36 00:02:16,210 --> 00:02:18,800 Oh, my, this place is going crazy. 37 00:02:32,270 --> 00:02:34,520 Welcome to the 1986 NBA Draft. 38 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,780 Speculation has it that this will be one of the most 39 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,240 Red Auerbach may change things around. 40 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,070 Logic indicates he will take William Bedford, the center. 41 00:02:43,070 --> 00:02:45,450 But Red has always had an affinity for Lenny Bias, 42 00:02:45,450 --> 00:02:47,450 who he's known for a long time. 43 00:02:47,450 --> 00:02:50,370 34, Len Bias. 44 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:53,920 Len Bias was a consensus all-American from Maryland. 45 00:02:53,920 --> 00:02:55,630 He was a sure thing, a can't-miss. 46 00:02:55,630 --> 00:02:58,010 With two minutes to go, alley-oop. 47 00:03:02,300 --> 00:03:04,010 Bias with a dunk. 48 00:03:04,010 --> 00:03:06,890 Let me tell you about Len Bias. 49 00:03:06,890 --> 00:03:07,930 I live in Washington. 50 00:03:09,270 --> 00:03:10,770 practice quite a bit. 51 00:03:10,770 --> 00:03:12,690 I knew him well. 52 00:03:12,690 --> 00:03:14,690 This young guy is gonna be the bridge 53 00:03:14,690 --> 00:03:18,900 that sets up the next dynasty for the Celtics. 54 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:20,820 This is Bias. 55 00:03:26,870 --> 00:03:31,750 My husband flew to New York with Len for the NBA Draft, 56 00:03:31,750 --> 00:03:35,460 and I was back home with the kids. 57 00:03:35,460 --> 00:03:39,090 The Boston Celtics select Len Bias, 58 00:03:39,090 --> 00:03:41,420 the University of Maryland. 59 00:03:41,420 --> 00:03:46,760 I saw the very moment that it happened in real time. 60 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:51,020 But it was unsettling for me because 61 00:03:51,020 --> 00:03:57,110 though people kept telling me congratulations, 62 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:59,940 I never felt it. 63 00:03:59,940 --> 00:04:02,490 As you can see, Lenny Bias made it. 64 00:04:02,490 --> 00:04:07,120 We know a lot of you have some questions to ask him 65 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:08,120 or to interview him. 66 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,530 He's gonna be around awhile. 67 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:14,670 I consider myself lucky but more blessed, 68 00:04:14,670 --> 00:04:18,500 having the opportunity to play here and be drafted here. 69 00:04:18,500 --> 00:04:23,670 Afterwards he called, and we talked about what had gone on. 70 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,600 It was just so much excitement and all. 71 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,350 We'll see you when we get home. 72 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:41,860 The next day, Len came home and came over to the campus. 73 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,120 So here is the dorm of Washington Hall, 74 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,120 where Len actually stayed. 75 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,790 Crazy thing, it still looks the same. 76 00:04:55,790 --> 00:04:59,960 Completely, completely the same. 77 00:04:59,960 --> 00:05:01,670 We were just celebrating, talking, 78 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,220 I know we dapped each other up and gave each other a hug. 79 00:05:08,220 --> 00:05:10,640 And I just said, man, congratulations. 80 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,600 I'm proud of you. 81 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:13,890 Just left, you know? 82 00:05:13,890 --> 00:05:18,060 We thinking, hey, see you tomorrow. 83 00:05:20,690 --> 00:05:25,570 Leonard Bias was brought to us at 6:50 this morning. 84 00:05:25,570 --> 00:05:27,990 There was no cardiac function 85 00:05:27,990 --> 00:05:30,320 during the two hours that he was here. 86 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,080 And he was pronounced dead at 8:50. 87 00:05:37,790 --> 00:05:41,540 It's something that you'd never expect. 88 00:05:41,540 --> 00:05:43,840 He'd been through a physical exam 89 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:46,840 and just came out perfect. 90 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:50,430 And now he's not here. 91 00:05:50,430 --> 00:05:52,390 It was so shocking. 92 00:05:52,390 --> 00:05:56,810 This amazing kid with this world in front of him, 93 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,820 That really hurt Coach Auerbach. 94 00:06:04,820 --> 00:06:06,780 I was in his office the morning. 95 00:06:06,780 --> 00:06:10,700 We just sat there for-- seemed like an hour, 96 00:06:10,700 --> 00:06:13,120 neither of us saying a word. 97 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:22,290 He was just really exuberant because he achieved his goal. 98 00:06:22,290 --> 00:06:26,460 He was a Celtic type kid in every essence. 99 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,430 It was kind of a dark cloud over us 100 00:06:32,430 --> 00:06:35,430 after that time for a period. 101 00:06:35,430 --> 00:06:36,970 Just don't get-- you just don't shake off 102 00:06:36,970 --> 00:06:38,270 something like that real easy. 103 00:06:38,270 --> 00:06:42,230 You really don't. 104 00:06:42,230 --> 00:06:44,440 Now everybody's speculating, how did he die? 105 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:45,860 How could somebody that healthy, 106 00:06:45,860 --> 00:06:47,610 somebody that young die? 107 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:59,660 Leonard Bias died of cocaine intoxication, 108 00:06:59,660 --> 00:07:02,830 which resulted in the sudden onset of seizures 109 00:07:02,830 --> 00:07:05,460 and cardiac arrest. 110 00:07:05,460 --> 00:07:07,000 When you're gonna make a draft choice like that 111 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,090 and that investment of that choice, 112 00:07:09,090 --> 00:07:10,220 you run some kind of check on a guy? 113 00:07:10,220 --> 00:07:12,470 Well, a background check on a guy, 114 00:07:12,470 --> 00:07:15,720 would you know that what you see and what you feel? 115 00:07:20,060 --> 00:07:23,060 We didn't check Larry Bird. 116 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:25,650 We knew what kind of guy Larry Bird was. 117 00:07:28,570 --> 00:07:30,820 After he died, it was all about cocaine. 118 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:31,860 It's all about drugs. 119 00:07:31,860 --> 00:07:33,700 It's all about regulating drugs. 120 00:07:33,700 --> 00:07:35,370 It's about drug laws. 121 00:07:35,370 --> 00:07:38,740 Now is the time to reach our goal of a drug-free generation 122 00:07:38,740 --> 00:07:40,660 in the United States. 123 00:07:40,660 --> 00:07:45,710 Now all he is is a device to pass laws. 124 00:07:45,710 --> 00:07:47,000 It's about telling kids, 125 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,210 hey, you don't want to end up like Lenny Bias 126 00:07:49,210 --> 00:07:52,630 because Len Bias died doing cocaine. 127 00:07:52,630 --> 00:07:54,090 Just say no. 128 00:07:54,090 --> 00:07:55,300 Believe me, homeboy 129 00:07:55,300 --> 00:07:56,760 This is no lie 130 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,350 Because if you use it, you just might die 131 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,060 Well, stop a moment and think of Lenny Bias 132 00:08:05,060 --> 00:08:07,400 He wasn't even a person anymore. 133 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,980 He was a cautionary tale. 134 00:08:09,980 --> 00:08:12,190 We never got to see what happened. 135 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:15,910 And even to this day, it's a huge what-if, 136 00:08:15,910 --> 00:08:19,620 not even for what he would have done just as a player 137 00:08:19,620 --> 00:08:23,330 but what he would have been to Boston. 138 00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:29,250 His legacy is what could have been. 139 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:33,590 There are men and women that still 140 00:08:33,590 --> 00:08:37,430 approach me with tears in their eyes about Len 141 00:08:37,430 --> 00:08:40,060 almost 40 years later. 142 00:08:40,060 --> 00:08:42,600 He never played professional ball, 143 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,230 but yet there's still an interest in him. 144 00:08:45,230 --> 00:08:47,190 Why? 145 00:08:47,190 --> 00:08:52,860 Because of who he was. 146 00:08:52,860 --> 00:08:55,740 The Celtics just won the world championship. 147 00:08:55,740 --> 00:08:58,740 That means they're the best there is right now. 148 00:08:58,740 --> 00:09:02,080 Still, Bias' death means the team is suddenly minus 149 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,200 the first cornerstone in what was supposed 150 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:07,370 to be the next dynasty. 151 00:09:07,380 --> 00:09:08,630 Ladies and gentlemen, 152 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:11,340 tonight is a very special evening. 153 00:09:11,340 --> 00:09:14,510 The members of the 1986 championship team 154 00:09:14,510 --> 00:09:19,300 will be presented with their championship rings. 155 00:09:19,300 --> 00:09:20,510 All right. 156 00:09:20,510 --> 00:09:22,310 You want him? You got him. 157 00:09:25,850 --> 00:09:28,770 Let's raise that flag, get on with a great year. 158 00:09:28,770 --> 00:09:30,270 Help us out. 159 00:09:34,570 --> 00:09:36,320 The Boston Celtics have won three 160 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,070 NBA championships in six years. 161 00:09:40,070 --> 00:09:41,780 People are calling Larry Bird the greatest 162 00:09:41,780 --> 00:09:45,250 player of all time. 163 00:09:45,250 --> 00:09:47,330 Used to be Bill Russell. 164 00:09:47,330 --> 00:09:50,250 Now Larry Bird is pushing him pretty good. 165 00:09:57,380 --> 00:09:58,680 You mean to start a franchise? 166 00:09:58,680 --> 00:10:00,840 - Yup. - Are you serious? 167 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:02,010 I'm serious. 168 00:10:02,010 --> 00:10:03,600 Bird for 3. 169 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,560 Larry Bird for 3 with four seconds to go. 170 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:09,270 Oh! 171 00:10:09,270 --> 00:10:10,650 You now join Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain 172 00:10:10,650 --> 00:10:12,900 as the only players to win the league's 173 00:10:12,900 --> 00:10:16,280 MVP award three years in a row. 174 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,240 It was obvious Larry was the best player. 175 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,780 You know, he was the man. 176 00:10:19,780 --> 00:10:21,410 There's no question that I feel, next year, 177 00:10:21,410 --> 00:10:24,330 if I feel like I do right now, I can win it again. 178 00:10:26,830 --> 00:10:28,870 together, as a team. 179 00:10:28,870 --> 00:10:33,380 Yes, we were definitely the big dog in the house. 180 00:10:33,380 --> 00:10:35,590 Blocked by Robert Parish. 181 00:10:35,590 --> 00:10:38,300 On the court, we had good chemistry. 182 00:10:38,300 --> 00:10:40,180 Robert opened up a lot of things for us. 183 00:10:40,180 --> 00:10:43,050 Watch Parish run the court. 184 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:47,720 I played against a lot of great players 185 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:49,020 around the league at that time, 186 00:10:49,020 --> 00:10:51,940 and I'm telling you, I wouldn't trade him for any of them. 187 00:10:53,860 --> 00:10:56,480 McHale makes a move. 188 00:10:58,780 --> 00:11:01,910 low-post player I ever played against, 189 00:11:01,910 --> 00:11:03,950 Kareem at the top. 190 00:11:03,950 --> 00:11:06,160 McHale got it! 191 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,450 McHale on the back end. 192 00:11:07,450 --> 00:11:08,830 Scoop shot is good. 193 00:11:08,830 --> 00:11:11,580 Unlimited moves and creativity. 194 00:11:20,050 --> 00:11:24,010 brings it up and dishes to McHale, who slams it. 195 00:11:24,010 --> 00:11:25,600 I thought, boy, we stay healthy, 196 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,810 we're gonna make a run here for another 2, 3. 197 00:11:33,560 --> 00:11:37,820 I developed a stress fracture in my foot. 198 00:11:37,820 --> 00:11:42,280 So now everybody else has to play more. 199 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:48,030 And then that took an untenable toll on all of them. 200 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,040 McHale is hobbling. 201 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,580 He is so, so important. 202 00:11:52,580 --> 00:11:53,920 My foot's killing me. 203 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:55,210 But I kept playing. 204 00:11:55,210 --> 00:11:57,790 And I was thinking, well, you know, just suck it up. 205 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,510 You got something going on in there, but it's nothing major. 206 00:12:00,510 --> 00:12:02,970 But in the playoffs, the doctor 207 00:12:02,970 --> 00:12:04,840 started holding my toes, 208 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,760 and he would move my foot around, and all of a sudden, 209 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,560 he goes, yeah, you got a fracture in your navicular. 210 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:13,890 And I thought, I got a couple more rounds to go. 211 00:12:13,890 --> 00:12:18,110 I think I can play. I think I can manage. 212 00:12:18,110 --> 00:12:20,280 Kevin McHale, the coal miner's son 213 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:21,530 from Hibbing, Minnesota. 214 00:12:25,660 --> 00:12:27,320 real hard for everything they got. 215 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,240 And I think Kevin knew that. 216 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:35,960 My father worked in the mines. 217 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,630 McHale blocks it away from Pierce. 218 00:12:37,630 --> 00:12:39,040 He just thought he had a job to do. 219 00:12:40,170 --> 00:12:43,920 And... 220 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:44,920 To McHale. 221 00:12:48,680 --> 00:12:53,310 And I figured that 80% of me was maybe better than 100% 222 00:12:53,310 --> 00:12:56,690 of the guy that was gonna come in and play for me. 223 00:12:56,690 --> 00:12:59,270 Lucas pushes the floor, comes inside. 224 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,900 Picked up by Lucas. 225 00:13:02,900 --> 00:13:04,400 And that's it. 226 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:10,620 Boston wins it, 138-137 in double overtime. 227 00:13:10,620 --> 00:13:17,040 Kevin McHale, today he went 55-plus minutes. 228 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,670 The Celtics have won another seventh game at home. 229 00:13:24,670 --> 00:13:27,130 And now for the Celtics, the Detroit Pistons are next. 230 00:13:27,130 --> 00:13:29,550 Everyone expects to battle the Celtics 231 00:13:29,550 --> 00:13:33,600 all the way in the Eastern Conference Final. 232 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,140 Kevin, when did you get out of the hospital? 233 00:13:35,140 --> 00:13:37,230 What are you talking about? 234 00:13:37,230 --> 00:13:39,100 I'm talking about your foot. 235 00:13:39,100 --> 00:13:40,190 Nah, it's fine. 236 00:13:42,110 --> 00:13:43,400 feels great. 237 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,570 Whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. 238 00:13:44,570 --> 00:13:46,190 Whose X-ray is this, then, huh? 239 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,610 Is that not yours? 240 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:49,910 I don't know. Let me take a look at it. 241 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:52,240 It says adult male gorilla. 242 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,120 That's not me. Could be Laimbeer, huh? 243 00:13:56,540 --> 00:13:59,170 Bill Laimbeer. 244 00:13:59,170 --> 00:14:02,630 Laimbeer, mm. 245 00:14:06,630 --> 00:14:09,260 Why is it that everybody hates Bill Laimbeer? 246 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:10,890 You'd have to go home and ask his wife, I think. 247 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:14,760 Well, I don't want to talk about Bill Laimbeer. 248 00:14:14,770 --> 00:14:16,930 It's my style of play that antagonizes people. 249 00:14:16,930 --> 00:14:18,440 I don't give anybody any respect. 250 00:14:24,190 --> 00:14:27,110 He deliberately tried to injure you 251 00:14:27,110 --> 00:14:29,450 and took pride in it. 252 00:14:29,450 --> 00:14:33,320 He wore that bad-boy image that they created 253 00:14:33,330 --> 00:14:34,990 like a badge of honor. 254 00:14:34,990 --> 00:14:35,990 He reveled in it. 255 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,450 The Detroit Pistons have become 256 00:14:37,450 --> 00:14:39,290 the bad boys of basketball. 257 00:14:41,580 --> 00:14:44,420 Sometimes that bad-boy image gets us into trouble. 258 00:14:46,630 --> 00:14:49,010 Isiah Thomas picks up his fourth personal foul, 259 00:14:49,010 --> 00:14:50,760 and Parish is hurting. 260 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,800 As much as we disliked the Lakers, 261 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,050 we disliked Detroit even more. 262 00:14:55,060 --> 00:14:58,850 Most of the trouble they got into, Isiah started it. 263 00:14:58,850 --> 00:15:01,900 Isiah is really talking to Sichting. 264 00:15:01,900 --> 00:15:04,190 He was an agitator. 265 00:15:04,190 --> 00:15:08,480 He seemed almost like a 6'1" version of Magic Johnson. 266 00:15:08,490 --> 00:15:10,950 Isiah with one nice bounce pass. 267 00:15:10,950 --> 00:15:12,820 There's that great smile of Isiah Thomas. 268 00:15:12,820 --> 00:15:14,280 He started to sort of understand 269 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,580 that the way the Pistons played 270 00:15:15,580 --> 00:15:20,160 was almost sort of kind of under his direction, 271 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,460 like as if he was some kind of, like, crime boss or whatever 272 00:15:22,460 --> 00:15:25,130 and these were his henchmen. 273 00:15:25,130 --> 00:15:27,750 From the Boston Garden, the Eastern Conference 274 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:30,670 Championship Series with the defending 275 00:15:33,430 --> 00:15:36,510 And for the first time in the history of the franchise, 276 00:15:36,510 --> 00:15:38,060 the Detroit Pistons 277 00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:40,810 in a conference championship series. 278 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:46,190 With the Pistons, they knew who they were 279 00:15:46,190 --> 00:15:47,690 and who they were going to become. 280 00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:51,490 There was no fear of the Celtics. 281 00:15:51,490 --> 00:15:52,570 We're still the guy climbing. 282 00:15:52,570 --> 00:15:53,990 They've been there. 283 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:55,660 They're pretty much on the mountaintop. 284 00:15:57,620 --> 00:16:00,160 You know, Detroit better figure out an early vacation. 285 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,290 I read it. 286 00:16:02,290 --> 00:16:04,420 It had been proven through the NBA, 287 00:16:04,420 --> 00:16:06,290 there's a little bit of a rite of passage. 288 00:16:06,290 --> 00:16:09,340 The Celtics are always trying to beat the Sixers. 289 00:16:09,340 --> 00:16:11,380 Now the Pistons were coming for the Celtics. 290 00:16:11,380 --> 00:16:13,260 And the Celtics had their hands full. 291 00:16:13,260 --> 00:16:14,590 Go off the glass. 292 00:16:14,590 --> 00:16:17,140 Laimbeer, though, the follow, and Robert Parish just 293 00:16:17,140 --> 00:16:18,890 picked up a technical foul. 294 00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:22,390 Laimbeer just pushed him from one side of the basket 295 00:16:22,390 --> 00:16:25,190 all the way under and no call. 296 00:16:25,190 --> 00:16:27,940 Never had a lot of respect for the Pistons. 297 00:16:27,940 --> 00:16:30,110 It's sad you had to play that way. 298 00:16:30,110 --> 00:16:32,440 I mean, we're all out there trying to make a living 299 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,950 and do our best. 300 00:16:33,950 --> 00:16:36,780 And they were trying to maim you most of the time. 301 00:16:38,410 --> 00:16:40,540 97-81 Pistons. 302 00:16:40,540 --> 00:16:43,080 And the 24-second clock goes down, 303 00:16:53,260 --> 00:16:54,590 I don't remember Larry Bird getting 304 00:16:54,590 --> 00:16:57,090 as angry as I saw him there. 305 00:16:57,090 --> 00:17:00,300 That was a violent, violent knockdown 306 00:17:00,310 --> 00:17:03,140 by Laimbeer, the yellow, gutless way 307 00:17:03,140 --> 00:17:05,020 they do things here, where they have 308 00:17:05,020 --> 00:17:06,810 been called a dirty ball club. 309 00:17:08,650 --> 00:17:13,320 This is a typical-- a typical disgusting display. 310 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,570 Now Rodman goes after Bird after Bird threw the ball. 311 00:17:22,830 --> 00:17:25,620 And he said, I was just trying to hand the ball 312 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:29,790 back to the ref, and Laimbeer's face got in the way. 313 00:17:29,790 --> 00:17:32,300 Larry Bird and Bill Laimbeer have both 314 00:17:35,260 --> 00:17:39,220 I said, Birdie, I don't mind Laimbeer getting thrown out, 315 00:17:39,220 --> 00:17:41,430 but you can't get thrown out with him because that-- 316 00:17:41,430 --> 00:17:42,510 that's not a fair exchange. 317 00:17:42,510 --> 00:17:45,430 It's like, Larry Bird, Bill Laimbeer. 318 00:17:45,430 --> 00:17:47,690 I said, you know, if you took Isiah 319 00:17:51,650 --> 00:17:53,900 of a equal exchange. 320 00:17:53,900 --> 00:17:56,150 I think the Pistons are in a lot of trouble, 321 00:17:59,990 --> 00:18:02,620 Larry Bird is gonna make Isiah Thomas and Laimbeer 322 00:18:02,620 --> 00:18:03,870 go home crying tonight. 323 00:18:13,500 --> 00:18:16,010 Bill Laimbeer went up and offered a hand to Larry Bird, 324 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,680 Posted. Laimbeer blocks it. 325 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:27,600 right off the rebound. 326 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,770 He elbowed me in the throat. 327 00:18:31,020 --> 00:18:35,400 Two plays later, I catch one in the chest. 328 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,030 I was like, Bill, watch your elbows. 329 00:18:38,030 --> 00:18:41,450 So he called me an MF and told me to go eff off. 330 00:18:44,620 --> 00:18:48,200 And that did it. 331 00:18:50,540 --> 00:18:54,170 - He nailed him. - Parish nailed Laimbeer. 332 00:18:54,170 --> 00:18:59,050 And Laimbeer is down, and he is hurt. 333 00:18:59,050 --> 00:19:00,170 He nailed him. 334 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:02,550 Bill Laimbeer got a little rambunctious, 335 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:06,600 and Parish said, no, you don't. 336 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,640 And it looked like Laimbeer hit him with an elbow. 337 00:19:12,650 --> 00:19:15,440 And he just let him have it. 338 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,440 No foul was called on the play. 339 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:24,490 People are sick and tired of this guy 340 00:19:24,490 --> 00:19:26,030 with the baby face 341 00:19:26,030 --> 00:19:27,950 with putting his hands up all the time. 342 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,040 Meanwhile, he'll-- he'll sucker punch you. 343 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,080 He'll do everything in the game. 344 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,500 It couldn't happen to a nicer guy. 345 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:40,050 Now we got trouble. 346 00:19:40,050 --> 00:19:43,340 One-point ball game, 27 seconds remaining. 347 00:19:46,850 --> 00:19:51,560 All right, it's 107-106, but there are 17 seconds left. 348 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,640 Boston down one. 349 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:53,900 It comes to Dennis Johnson. 350 00:19:53,900 --> 00:19:56,560 Dumars has got him. 351 00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:58,820 DJ, left side Bird. 352 00:20:01,900 --> 00:20:02,900 Nobody home. 353 00:20:02,910 --> 00:20:03,950 Rodman the block. 354 00:20:03,950 --> 00:20:05,660 Out-of-bounds. Who's got it? 355 00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:09,450 Detroit ball with five seconds to go. 356 00:20:11,120 --> 00:20:13,830 They're gonna beat the Celtics at Boston Garden 357 00:20:13,830 --> 00:20:14,920 in a playoff game. 358 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,830 And you got one of the smartest guys 359 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,550 in the league, which Isiah was, taking the ball out. 360 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,890 And now there's a steal by Bird. 361 00:20:25,890 --> 00:20:29,470 Underneath to DJ. Lays it in. 362 00:20:29,470 --> 00:20:31,140 What a play by Bird. 363 00:20:31,140 --> 00:20:34,230 Bird stole the inbounding pass. 364 00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:38,150 DJ laid it up and in. 365 00:20:38,150 --> 00:20:42,240 Oh, my, this place is going crazy. 366 00:20:53,790 --> 00:20:58,580 One way or another, Bird kills you. 367 00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:00,380 The place goes absolutely bananas 368 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,920 Havlicek stole the ball. 369 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,380 Havlicek steals it! 370 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:06,970 Henderson stole the ball. 371 00:21:09,850 --> 00:21:11,060 Bird stole the ball. 372 00:21:11,060 --> 00:21:12,520 Now there's a steal by Bird. 373 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,390 The leprechaun has popped out from down the rafters again, 374 00:21:20,150 --> 00:21:24,360 Like, people believed this crap because it kept happening. 375 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,200 I seen Laimbeer standing there by himself, 376 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,910 and all I did was run over there to try to foul him 377 00:21:30,910 --> 00:21:32,740 and got my hand in there and stole it. 378 00:21:32,740 --> 00:21:35,540 And just as I got it, I seen a white jersey streaking 379 00:21:35,540 --> 00:21:37,620 down towards the basket. 380 00:21:37,620 --> 00:21:39,540 And I turned, and it was DJ, of course. 381 00:21:39,540 --> 00:21:41,210 Bird on the cut to DJ. 382 00:21:41,210 --> 00:21:43,090 Johnson, layup Boston. 383 00:21:43,090 --> 00:21:45,340 I remember how DJ instinctively 384 00:21:45,340 --> 00:21:46,970 went to the basket. 385 00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:48,340 Normally when something like that happens, 386 00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:51,220 everybody freezes. 387 00:21:51,220 --> 00:21:54,640 But for whatever reason, DJ didn't, because had he not 388 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,100 cut to the basket, we would be talking about 389 00:21:57,100 --> 00:21:59,190 a different story now. 390 00:22:10,070 --> 00:22:13,240 while we're out there, he can find me and I can find him 391 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,830 in any types of situations. 392 00:22:15,830 --> 00:22:18,290 He would tell me at the end of games, 393 00:22:18,290 --> 00:22:22,500 don't give anybody the ball but me. 394 00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,750 And he says, I'll do the same for you. 395 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,300 It's not that we was trying to edge them other players out. 396 00:22:27,300 --> 00:22:28,760 He didn't trust them. 397 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:33,180 And Detroit's valiant effort comes up 398 00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:37,600 a point short on a critical inbounds mistake. 399 00:22:43,230 --> 00:22:44,940 No, I can't. 400 00:22:51,910 --> 00:22:54,910 Danny Ainge, 3-pointer. 401 00:22:54,910 --> 00:22:58,370 Larry Bird has played the entire game. 402 00:22:58,370 --> 00:23:00,250 The Celtics, as they always do, 403 00:23:00,250 --> 00:23:04,340 find a way to win down the stretch at home. 404 00:23:04,340 --> 00:23:08,880 The Boston Celtics will go to the finals again 405 00:23:15,510 --> 00:23:19,140 After the game, I remember I hit both locker rooms. 406 00:23:19,140 --> 00:23:21,480 And then I hurried back to start writing, 407 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,690 and a couple of other writers, friends of mine, came and said, 408 00:23:24,690 --> 00:23:26,320 you better get back in there. 409 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,320 Isiah and Dennis just said something stupid. 410 00:24:05,940 --> 00:24:08,900 I remember walking into the Celtics room 411 00:24:08,900 --> 00:24:11,030 and hearing Larry Bird, and he goes, 412 00:24:11,030 --> 00:24:13,320 well, I don't apologize for being white. 413 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,240 And that's when it clicked into me. 414 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,080 Oh, man, the shit is gonna hit the fan here. 415 00:24:19,790 --> 00:24:22,960 I say it sarcastically, 416 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:27,500 if Bird was Black, he'd be just another good guy. 417 00:24:27,500 --> 00:24:29,630 And I started laughing. 418 00:24:29,630 --> 00:24:32,800 Isiah had called me and said, I was joking. 419 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,090 I was joking. We have the tape. 420 00:24:34,090 --> 00:24:36,840 And I said, I don't think people believe you were joking. 421 00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:39,430 I cringed when that happened. 422 00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:41,060 And I said, oh, God, you just can't say that. 423 00:24:41,060 --> 00:24:42,350 You cannot say that. 424 00:24:42,350 --> 00:24:43,640 You just can't say it. 425 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,520 You got to remember, still, 99% of the fans 426 00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:49,980 They don't want to hear that. 427 00:24:49,980 --> 00:24:52,230 This had been rolling for a week. 428 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,200 And in hindsight, it just felt like we were 429 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,990 so ill-equipped to have an intelligent discussion 430 00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:59,450 about race. 431 00:24:59,450 --> 00:25:01,450 Following Larry's statements, he's gonna take off. 432 00:25:06,580 --> 00:25:09,590 and they call this absurd press conference. 433 00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:11,090 To this--unprecedented. 434 00:25:11,090 --> 00:25:14,340 Isiah Thomas flies to LA, and Larry's already there. 435 00:25:15,930 --> 00:25:17,930 It was crazy. 436 00:25:17,930 --> 00:25:22,260 Isiah was in his hotel room before the press conference. 437 00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:25,430 I'll never forget. He had a roll of Rolaids. 438 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,310 And he was biting the Rolaids off the roll 439 00:25:28,310 --> 00:25:31,070 without unwrapping the paper. 440 00:25:31,070 --> 00:25:32,820 And I thought, wow. 441 00:25:32,820 --> 00:25:34,400 I mean, he grew up on the West Side of Chicago 442 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,530 in a tough neighborhood. 443 00:25:35,530 --> 00:25:37,490 It was--he had seen a lot and done a lot, 444 00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:40,450 and I think he was terrified. 445 00:25:40,450 --> 00:25:43,040 Jokingly, I say it. 446 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,700 But I have to agree with Rodman, smiling, 447 00:25:45,710 --> 00:25:48,790 laughing that if Bird was 448 00:25:48,790 --> 00:25:51,590 Black, he'd be just another good guy. 449 00:25:53,550 --> 00:25:57,420 And from that, shit, we got this. 450 00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:59,890 If Isiah tells me that it was a joking matter, 451 00:25:59,890 --> 00:26:02,220 I think it--we should leave it at that 452 00:26:02,220 --> 00:26:04,680 because I don't think Isiah is stupid. 453 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,520 He knows I'm a bad player. 454 00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:10,350 Now, here's the beauty of it. 455 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,690 Larry, you had my career right in the palm of your hands. 456 00:26:13,690 --> 00:26:15,360 Larry did us a huge solid. 457 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,780 Do you understand that moment that he's talking about 458 00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:19,240 - that you had? - Yeah. 459 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:20,450 Come on, Reggie. 460 00:26:20,450 --> 00:26:23,490 We've been in them locker rooms taking tough losses. 461 00:26:23,490 --> 00:26:25,620 You know, competition sometimes brings the best 462 00:26:25,620 --> 00:26:26,700 out of you and the worst. 463 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:28,000 Mm-hmm. 464 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,460 Isiah was a great basketball player. 465 00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:32,000 He had a big career ahead of him. 466 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,630 I wasn't gonna damage his career by saying 467 00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:34,840 something I didn't mean. 468 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,920 He didn't need that in his life. 469 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:37,090 I didn't need it. 470 00:26:37,090 --> 00:26:38,260 I was getting ready to go in the finals. 471 00:26:38,260 --> 00:26:40,010 I'm doing a press conference, a packed place, 472 00:26:40,010 --> 00:26:43,100 and they're trying to push this thing to another level. 473 00:26:43,100 --> 00:26:44,260 You know, get out of here. 474 00:26:44,260 --> 00:26:45,930 Because if it meant something, I would have said it. 475 00:26:45,930 --> 00:26:47,770 But it meant nothing to me. 476 00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:50,770 My motivation for the comment was simply joking. 477 00:26:50,770 --> 00:26:54,480 The controversy is that Isiah said 478 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,780 that Larry Bird, if he was Black, 479 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:04,160 Larry definitely works hard to get where he's at. 480 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,740 I mean, if he didn't work, he wouldn't be a great player. 481 00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:08,540 I worked hard, too, to get where I got, 482 00:27:08,540 --> 00:27:09,750 or I wouldn't be here. 483 00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:12,000 I wouldn't be as good as I am 484 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,880 if I didn't practice my butt off. 485 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,340 If Larry Bird were a Black player, 486 00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:18,260 he'd be just another guy. 487 00:27:18,260 --> 00:27:20,670 That's not just a basketball comment. 488 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,300 That is a comment about opportunities. 489 00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:25,140 That's a comment about exposure. 490 00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:35,110 For Larry, he didn't accept the reality of it. 491 00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:39,530 The racial dichotomy existed in the audience 492 00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:41,400 but not in the person. 493 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,530 I'm very proud of the fact that I'm a basketball player. 494 00:27:43,530 --> 00:27:46,160 I worked very hard to become a good basketball player. 495 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,120 I'm very proud of the fact that I'm able to compete, 496 00:27:52,460 --> 00:27:53,710 You know? 497 00:27:53,710 --> 00:27:57,880 But I'm just-- 498 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,460 I tell you, you was fast as shit the other night 499 00:28:00,470 --> 00:28:03,180 in game five when you stole the ball. 500 00:28:03,180 --> 00:28:05,390 Yeah, I forgot to thank you for that too, Isiah. 501 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,270 It just shows how little people understood 502 00:28:10,270 --> 00:28:13,690 the full context of what they said and took it out 503 00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:15,150 and blew it up into something. 504 00:28:15,150 --> 00:28:17,270 If they fully understood what was going on there, 505 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:21,530 then they would have had the same reaction that Larry had. 506 00:28:21,530 --> 00:28:23,530 Yeah, and? 507 00:28:23,530 --> 00:28:24,660 OK. 508 00:28:24,660 --> 00:28:26,910 Can we get past this shit and get back to basketball? 509 00:28:26,910 --> 00:28:28,740 I don't think we should have to sit here 510 00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:30,540 and talk about it all day. 511 00:28:30,540 --> 00:28:31,950 So I'm leaving. 512 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,160 So... 513 00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:36,670 You're trying to reconcile an event 514 00:28:36,670 --> 00:28:39,590 that seems defined by race. 515 00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:42,300 You think this guy is great, but his greatness 516 00:28:42,300 --> 00:28:44,050 contradicts what we think a great player 517 00:28:44,050 --> 00:28:45,260 is supposed to look like. 518 00:28:45,260 --> 00:28:47,300 You already know what they did for me. 519 00:28:47,300 --> 00:28:50,100 - What? - I walked away with the MVP. 520 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520 who was in any way sort of used by the culture, 521 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,850 but I suppose maybe he was. 522 00:28:56,860 --> 00:29:01,360 We'll never know what the '80s in the NBA are like 523 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,740 if, you know, it's Magic Johnson 524 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:05,740 and another Black player. 525 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:08,370 I heard Converse made a pair of Bird shoes 526 00:29:08,370 --> 00:29:09,950 for last year's MVP. 527 00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:10,950 Yup. 528 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:12,040 Well, they made a pair of Magic shoes 529 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:13,620 for this year's MVP. 530 00:29:13,620 --> 00:29:15,910 OK, Magic, show me what you got. 531 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:21,210 The Lakers and the Celtics back in the NBA Finals. 532 00:29:21,210 --> 00:29:23,720 Right now, this is a no-contest affair. 533 00:29:29,010 --> 00:29:30,720 The Lakers and a big one. 534 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560 126-113. 535 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,730 They just had a bit more firepower than we had. 536 00:29:39,980 --> 00:29:42,900 Kevin McHale, who has been playing with a fractured foot 537 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:44,650 throughout much of the playoffs, 538 00:29:44,650 --> 00:29:47,820 has learned that perhaps the injury is growing even worse. 539 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,540 and I'm gonna go out there and play. 540 00:29:56,540 --> 00:29:59,540 It hurt. I mean, it hurt. 541 00:29:59,540 --> 00:30:03,090 But to have four championships would have been well worth it. 542 00:30:03,090 --> 00:30:04,710 I'd do it again. 543 00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:08,180 I just don't know how this man is playing. 544 00:30:08,180 --> 00:30:10,720 I told him it's not worth it. 545 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,260 He should not play. 546 00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:13,560 McHale is shaken up. 547 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,060 I think he actually made it worse. 548 00:30:20,060 --> 00:30:21,480 He never was the same. 549 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,820 Even when it healed, he never was the same guy. 550 00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:29,320 But you know what? 551 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,200 Sorry, Kevin. 552 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,330 This is really not your typical LA-Boston matchup, 553 00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:38,000 because for the first time, we have a clear-cut favorite, 554 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000 and that's the Lakers. 555 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,830 Do you admit they're the better team? 556 00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:42,710 First two games, they were, yeah. 557 00:30:45,460 --> 00:30:48,760 McHale, offensive rebound. 558 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,390 Boston wins 109-103. 559 00:30:52,390 --> 00:30:55,350 But now the series reads two games to one 560 00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:58,730 in favor of the Lakers. 561 00:30:58,730 --> 00:31:00,940 Wipe 'em up, Boston! 562 00:31:00,940 --> 00:31:02,690 I mean, what's better than this one? 563 00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:05,690 I mean, just a classic. 564 00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:08,070 You have to understand, outside of the Boston Garden, 565 00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:11,030 they have a kiosk where they have all the 566 00:31:11,030 --> 00:31:15,120 "I hate effing LA," you know? 567 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,870 '87 finals, the Lakers were awesome. 568 00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:20,910 We win game three, and then game four is the game. 569 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,080 But we had Bird. 570 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,080 I was confident. 571 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:24,460 I believe this guy can do anything. 572 00:31:24,460 --> 00:31:26,210 This was John Wick. 573 00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:28,460 It was like, I-- I don't care who we're playing. 574 00:31:28,460 --> 00:31:30,220 We have Larry Bird. We're winning. 575 00:31:30,220 --> 00:31:32,260 Cooper with a move around Bird. 576 00:31:32,260 --> 00:31:33,930 Bird blocks the shot. 577 00:31:33,930 --> 00:31:36,390 Great play by Bird. 578 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,060 McHale. 579 00:31:41,060 --> 00:31:42,270 Celtics win. 580 00:31:42,270 --> 00:31:43,560 It's a new series. 581 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:44,810 Bird. 582 00:31:47,190 --> 00:31:49,360 We're up 6 with two minutes left. 583 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,650 They're coming back, and Cooper is right in front of us. 584 00:31:52,660 --> 00:31:55,370 Magic sees him, and Cooper splits off. 585 00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:57,040 And you knew it was gonna go in. 586 00:31:59,410 --> 00:32:00,950 And all of a sudden... 587 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,290 Kareem does it. 588 00:32:02,290 --> 00:32:04,830 And the Lakers jumping for joy. 589 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,800 They take the lead. 590 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,680 And we're like, oh, my God, we just--we blew this. 591 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,760 We all know that in the crunch, 592 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,390 number 33 for the Celtics, Larry Bird, 593 00:32:20,390 --> 00:32:23,270 will try to do what number 33 for the Lakers 594 00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:29,110 Bird goes for 3. 595 00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:36,200 Larry Bird did it again. 596 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,280 Everyone's going bonkers. 597 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,450 Larry Bird, with a big 3-point bomb, 598 00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:44,460 has given the Celtics the lead. 599 00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:46,460 He's done it again. 600 00:32:48,590 --> 00:32:50,420 That's the kind of asshole he is. 601 00:32:50,420 --> 00:32:52,210 Going to the wire. 602 00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:58,050 And by far, the best game of this '87 NBA Final. 603 00:32:58,050 --> 00:33:02,890 It's Lakers' ball with seven seconds to go. 604 00:33:12,860 --> 00:33:16,200 And the Celtics trail by one. 605 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,280 They go to Magic, and he hits some bullshit shot 606 00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:22,660 Killed us. 607 00:33:22,660 --> 00:33:24,960 But if my foot's not broken, I like 608 00:33:26,290 --> 00:33:28,380 I almost got it as it was. 609 00:33:28,380 --> 00:33:29,380 Hell of a shot, though. 610 00:33:29,380 --> 00:33:30,500 You got to give him credit. 611 00:33:30,500 --> 00:33:32,630 That was a big play. 612 00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:35,300 But it was still time left on the clock. 613 00:33:39,300 --> 00:33:41,720 I like to shoot that last-second shot. 614 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,470 You can tell when people are a little nervous, 615 00:33:43,470 --> 00:33:44,930 but I just don't feel it. 616 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,530 And Larry Bird rode me up the lane with a little shove 617 00:33:53,530 --> 00:33:56,450 and freed him up for that shot. 618 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,200 I think I peed on myself a little bit. 619 00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:07,540 And the Lakers have won, and Pat Riley and the Lakers 620 00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:10,750 dance off the court. 621 00:34:20,850 --> 00:34:24,600 I just remember fogging out and you saying, we have to go. 622 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,680 We have to go. 623 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,770 Yeah, you were just like-- 624 00:34:26,770 --> 00:34:27,890 I was like, are you dead? 625 00:34:32,940 --> 00:34:34,570 But the other thing, like, you have 626 00:34:34,570 --> 00:34:36,690 those sounds in a crowd when it's, like, a big Bird 3 627 00:34:36,690 --> 00:34:38,820 and be like, ah. 628 00:34:38,820 --> 00:34:40,990 And then if you make it, ah. 629 00:34:40,990 --> 00:34:43,790 And that one was a ah, oh. 630 00:34:47,330 --> 00:34:49,250 I can picture it still. 631 00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:51,000 He's shooting the ball, and he's going, 632 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,170 it's already in. 633 00:34:52,170 --> 00:34:53,880 Like, he's already turned and going to the locker room. 634 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,460 He couldn't believe he got that good of a look. 635 00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:58,920 I would have bet it was going in. 636 00:34:58,930 --> 00:35:00,010 That one shot, if it goes in, 637 00:35:00,010 --> 00:35:01,090 would it have been any different? 638 00:35:04,510 --> 00:35:07,270 That's when I knew we was in trouble, 639 00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:10,060 because how often do Larry miss a wide-open shot? 640 00:35:10,060 --> 00:35:12,310 I knew we wasn't gonna win it. 641 00:35:12,310 --> 00:35:14,610 I wouldn't say that out loud at the time, 642 00:35:14,610 --> 00:35:18,070 but the writing was on the wall. 643 00:35:18,070 --> 00:35:20,700 3, 2, 1. 644 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:33,920 What I remember in the aftermath of the '87 Finals 645 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,040 is Bird up at the podium. 646 00:35:36,050 --> 00:35:40,590 And they asked him about Magic Johnson. 647 00:35:40,590 --> 00:35:42,340 Magic is just a great basketball player. 648 00:35:42,340 --> 00:35:44,890 He's the best I've ever seen, you know? 649 00:35:44,890 --> 00:35:48,930 I--unbelievable. 650 00:35:48,930 --> 00:35:50,230 I don't know what to say. 651 00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:51,850 It was the first time I ever looked at Bird 652 00:35:51,850 --> 00:35:55,400 and thought, man, he's beaten. 653 00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,070 He looks beaten to me. 654 00:36:00,070 --> 00:36:03,490 It felt different. 655 00:36:03,490 --> 00:36:06,280 Like, maybe this dynasty is over. 656 00:36:12,540 --> 00:36:14,960 The rivalry of the Lakers and the Celtics, 657 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:16,920 I wouldn't trade it for anything. 658 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,210 It was the best of the best. 659 00:36:21,220 --> 00:36:23,970 Both teams in that decade 660 00:36:23,970 --> 00:36:28,310 gave everything that they could give to winning. 661 00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:34,520 You know, it's always tough to see 662 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,190 an opponent kind of fade away. 663 00:36:38,190 --> 00:36:42,450 All you have is memories and respect. 664 00:36:47,780 --> 00:36:51,450 The Detroit Pistons leading three games to two. 665 00:36:51,450 --> 00:36:52,870 When I was a kid watching basketball, 666 00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:55,540 the Celtics always somehow ended up winning in the end. 667 00:36:55,540 --> 00:36:57,210 Like, if you believe in things like this, fate, 668 00:36:57,210 --> 00:36:59,750 it's like, that's just how it's gonna work out. 669 00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:02,760 It's just got to be close, and in the end, Bird will win. 670 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,090 But even by thinking that, it's like, you're sort of conceding. 671 00:37:08,970 --> 00:37:11,100 Well, the Celtics are gonna go out like champions. 672 00:37:11,100 --> 00:37:13,140 Make no mistake about it. 673 00:37:13,140 --> 00:37:15,190 But hail to the new Eastern Conference 674 00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:16,850 kings, the Detroit Pistons. 675 00:37:21,570 --> 00:37:23,860 After that, you knew they was gonna 676 00:37:23,860 --> 00:37:26,780 break up the team a little bit, move some pieces around. 677 00:37:34,410 --> 00:37:35,620 - That's it. - Yeah. 678 00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:37,210 OK, I can't go any further. 679 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:39,960 I don't need to stick around until I'm 65 years old 680 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,500 in this game that I love. 681 00:37:44,510 --> 00:37:48,050 After KC left, bad things started happening. 682 00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:50,430 For Larry, he had the double heel surgery, 683 00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:51,600 pretty major surgery. 684 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,810 At this point, there's no way I can play at-- 685 00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:58,730 at this stage where I'm at right now. 686 00:37:58,730 --> 00:38:02,650 So I'm just hoping to get back as soon as possible. 687 00:38:02,650 --> 00:38:05,320 Didn't play all year. 688 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,070 You know, Kevin had his foot. 689 00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:10,280 We played 12 years together. 690 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,120 We've been to the finals five times. 691 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:15,370 That's an extra season or two, you know, of hard basketball. 692 00:38:15,370 --> 00:38:18,000 We were slowly deteriorating. 693 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,170 They never talked about their injuries, the Celtics. 694 00:38:20,170 --> 00:38:21,840 I think that's how they all felt. 695 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:23,840 But I remember, after they lost, 696 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,720 Kevin McHale saying, you know, 697 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,260 I'm not gonna lie. 698 00:38:28,260 --> 00:38:30,510 Now I can finally put my foot up and admit to you 699 00:38:30,510 --> 00:38:32,890 it hurts like hell. 700 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,560 McHale was never gonna be the same. 701 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,600 That year, Bill Walton couldn't play at all. 702 00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:43,940 In fact, he never played again. 703 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:01,040 I spent years chasing a dream. 704 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,630 But I got a broken foot. 705 00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:08,760 And, you know, I am all by myself 706 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,220 in as lonely a place 707 00:39:17,270 --> 00:39:21,600 I have yet to move forward. 708 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,070 I'm still stuck in that darkness. 709 00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:29,570 Health is everything. 710 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:35,780 Looking back on it, you know, 711 00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:38,040 I should have retired that year in '86. 712 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,960 I would--I would have enjoyed my career more. 713 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,420 Larry and I could still compete. 714 00:39:45,420 --> 00:39:47,670 But it just felt like you were always just 715 00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:51,760 swimming against the current. 716 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,010 You don't feel a part of the team. 717 00:39:53,010 --> 00:39:54,760 You're out; you're in. 718 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,310 You get mentally broken down. 719 00:39:59,310 --> 00:40:03,850 You have to fight that because it'll bring you right down. 720 00:40:03,850 --> 00:40:06,980 I felt sorry for Kevin the most because he kept playing, 721 00:40:06,980 --> 00:40:08,820 and we knew that he shouldn't have been doing it, 722 00:40:08,820 --> 00:40:10,280 but he was trying to help the team. 723 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,410 How he managed that, I have no clue. 724 00:40:14,410 --> 00:40:16,780 There was a point where either I got used to the pain 725 00:40:16,780 --> 00:40:19,870 or got a little bit numb. 726 00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:21,580 But then I was driving to practice, 727 00:40:21,580 --> 00:40:26,880 and it just dawned on me that I didn't want to go to practice. 728 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:28,960 I didn't want to go through the pain anymore, the rehab 729 00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,340 and everything else like that. 730 00:40:30,340 --> 00:40:32,170 The first time in my life I ever felt like that. 731 00:40:32,170 --> 00:40:33,880 And, you know, I just sat there after I cried. 732 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,100 I just sat in my car, and then I drove off 733 00:40:38,100 --> 00:40:39,850 and went to practice. 734 00:40:39,850 --> 00:40:41,890 But that feeling never left. 735 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,480 I always subscribed to the philosophy you should 736 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,520 walk away on your own terms. 737 00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:52,240 I was actually sad because I know how hard they work 738 00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:56,990 and struggle to try to rehab and get back to a semblance 739 00:40:56,990 --> 00:40:58,580 of what they used to be. 740 00:40:58,580 --> 00:41:01,450 And it just wasn't happening. 741 00:41:01,450 --> 00:41:05,000 I remember it was a Christmas party of '88. 742 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,590 It's just Red and Kevin and Larry and myself. 743 00:41:08,590 --> 00:41:11,050 And we're sitting at a table just shooting the breeze. 744 00:41:11,050 --> 00:41:13,920 And we're going in there. 745 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:19,100 And Red said, hey, Kevin, come here. 746 00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:21,310 I read this thing about me going to Dallas, 747 00:41:21,310 --> 00:41:22,600 and I'm like, oh, crap. 748 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,100 I didn't want to go to Dallas. 749 00:41:24,100 --> 00:41:25,350 I'm thinking, jeez, I'm getting traded at freaking-- 750 00:41:25,350 --> 00:41:26,350 at the Christmas party? 751 00:41:26,350 --> 00:41:27,690 I'm like, really? 752 00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:29,400 And--and he goes, I just want to let you know 753 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,110 that I told the owners if they trade you, 754 00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:34,570 they fire me. 755 00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:36,610 And I looked at him, and he just slapped me on the ass 756 00:41:36,610 --> 00:41:39,070 and said, go enjoy the Christmas party. 757 00:41:39,070 --> 00:41:42,200 And that's why you fight for the guy. 758 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,120 He was pretty--pretty amazing. 759 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,500 OK. 760 00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:50,040 When I play or coach, no shootarounds at all. 761 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,460 Practice? 762 00:41:51,460 --> 00:41:53,960 Mm, sometimes. 763 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,970 I said, Red, can we really get Herb Williams, 764 00:41:58,970 --> 00:42:04,430 Chuck Person, Steve Stipanovich 765 00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:06,680 for Larry right now? 766 00:42:06,690 --> 00:42:08,310 And Red goes, yeah, I think we could. 767 00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:10,940 I go, why aren't we doing it? 768 00:42:10,940 --> 00:42:12,110 Like, look at him. 769 00:42:12,110 --> 00:42:13,150 He's injured. 770 00:42:13,150 --> 00:42:14,730 And I'm saying this right in front of Larry. 771 00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,110 And we're just having fun. 772 00:42:16,110 --> 00:42:17,820 And this is our-- our way of having fun. 773 00:42:17,820 --> 00:42:22,990 I go, and we can get Detlef Schrempf and Sam Perkins 774 00:42:22,990 --> 00:42:24,660 for McHale 775 00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:26,790 and we're-- and we're not doing it? 776 00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:28,710 He said, I would have traded both of you guys. 777 00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:30,750 And I go, yeah, you prick. 778 00:42:30,750 --> 00:42:33,500 Little rat. 779 00:42:33,500 --> 00:42:35,510 Red goes, I'm not trading any one of you guys. 780 00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:39,180 Like, you guys aren't going anywhere, and... 781 00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:41,260 that always stuck with me. 782 00:42:41,260 --> 00:42:43,260 I think that he should have traded him. 783 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,140 And you have a feeling 784 00:42:49,140 --> 00:42:52,150 that has a lot to do with the development 785 00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:54,480 of this Celtic pride. 786 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,860 That's what it's all about. 787 00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:57,900 It's a family thing. 788 00:42:57,900 --> 00:43:00,740 Well, I think he thought Bird, Parish, and McHale, 789 00:43:00,740 --> 00:43:02,780 they won three championships. 790 00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:05,370 And they turned around his franchise. 791 00:43:05,370 --> 00:43:10,250 And they deserved to finish their careers together. 792 00:43:10,250 --> 00:43:14,380 He was gonna let them retire Celtics. 793 00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:16,960 They're Celtics forever anyway. 794 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,010 They were great players. 795 00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:21,760 But I was smart enough to know 796 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,100 Father Time wins 100% of the time. 797 00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:33,150 I was traded. 798 00:43:34,190 --> 00:43:35,440 Yeah. 799 00:43:38,570 --> 00:43:40,240 That's exactly what I was telling Red 800 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:42,160 to do that December, 801 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,200 because if I'd have been in his office, I'd go, Red, 802 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,370 we got to make that deal. 803 00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:48,490 I'll definitely check the papers 804 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:50,500 and see how the Boston Celtics are doing 805 00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:56,040 I'll be very curious and watching and cheering 806 00:43:56,050 --> 00:43:59,170 for a lot of the people that are still here. 807 00:44:03,180 --> 00:44:05,430 When Bird resumed his NBA career, 808 00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:08,680 he did not look like the high-flying Bird of the '80s. 809 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,060 Didn't have his legs, and he didn't have his timing. 810 00:44:11,060 --> 00:44:13,190 And you could see he was frustrated that things 811 00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:14,850 weren't working well for him. 812 00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:16,610 But all of a sudden, Larry's coming off the screen, 813 00:44:16,610 --> 00:44:18,270 and he's not getting the jumper off in time. 814 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,900 All of a sudden, people are blowing by him defensively. 815 00:44:20,900 --> 00:44:22,740 Anybody that watched him had to wonder, 816 00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:25,240 is he ever going to be the same player? 817 00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:26,450 I can remember going to practice back when 818 00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:27,910 they were at Hellenic College. 819 00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:30,080 And I can remember him running up and down 820 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:31,620 and grabbing his back and shaking his head 821 00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:33,410 and then storming out of the gym. 822 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:36,000 Like, it was brutal to watch. 823 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,090 Bird misses the shot. 824 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,390 who dominated everything. 825 00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:50,220 Now you're just another team. 826 00:44:50,220 --> 00:44:53,060 And is that feeling ever gonna return? 827 00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,060 Remember, part of the Celtics way 828 00:44:58,070 --> 00:45:00,020 is continuity, consistence. 829 00:45:00,030 --> 00:45:04,280 That required some nurturing and required some mentors. 830 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,700 Cooz and Russell and those guys made sure 831 00:45:06,700 --> 00:45:08,070 they left the team in great hands 832 00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,490 for stars who were coming up behind them. 833 00:45:10,490 --> 00:45:12,950 So you look at the roster, and you're looking at Reggie Lewis. 834 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,460 Basketball's best-kept secret. 835 00:45:15,460 --> 00:45:16,870 Reggie Lewis of Northeastern. 836 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,210 The brightest star to emerge during the '91 season. 837 00:45:20,210 --> 00:45:23,590 And you started to wonder, like, could Reggie be it? 838 00:45:23,590 --> 00:45:25,880 The first step towards moving into the future 839 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,300 began when the team looked to Reggie as their new go-to guy. 840 00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:32,310 - And Lewis. - Oh! 841 00:45:32,310 --> 00:45:34,060 Reggie Lewis showed the Celtics had 842 00:45:34,060 --> 00:45:37,020 a star beyond the big three. 843 00:45:37,020 --> 00:45:40,360 There was initially, I think, this feeling that's like, well, 844 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,480 he's not gonna replace Bird, though. 845 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,030 Like, it's never gonna be like that. 846 00:45:44,030 --> 00:45:45,900 He's never gonna be that good. 847 00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:46,950 And it's like, oh, my God. 848 00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:53,870 Two baddest white boys in the league were now old, 849 00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:55,620 and they were injured. 850 00:45:55,620 --> 00:45:57,500 So it was now up to Reggie Lewis 851 00:45:57,500 --> 00:45:59,790 to be the face of the franchise. 852 00:45:59,790 --> 00:46:01,500 Do you think that there's been kind of 853 00:46:01,500 --> 00:46:04,420 a passing of the Celtic mantle, if you will, 854 00:46:06,090 --> 00:46:07,590 that has to carry the torch? 855 00:46:07,590 --> 00:46:08,720 Well, I don't think so. 856 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,260 I don't think it'll just be myself. 857 00:46:11,260 --> 00:46:14,220 I think you'll see more guys just helping to make 858 00:46:14,220 --> 00:46:16,480 the team that much better. 859 00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:21,480 When I got drafted by the Celtics, it was like-- 860 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,570 it's like a dream come true because I knew the history, 861 00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:27,860 playing in the old Boston Garden, 862 00:46:27,860 --> 00:46:30,240 you know, having real, authentic, 863 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,870 personal conversations with Red Auerbach. 864 00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:36,000 Those things, you can't just take away. 865 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:40,710 Organ music and hooping, that was it. 866 00:46:40,710 --> 00:46:42,080 Every time you walk into the Garden, 867 00:46:42,090 --> 00:46:43,250 you have shoes to fill, 868 00:46:43,250 --> 00:46:44,670 and you want to make your impact 869 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,090 up there during your tenure. 870 00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:52,640 I'm so grateful for Larry, Kevin, 871 00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,350 Robert showing me the way. 872 00:46:55,350 --> 00:46:58,390 Larry Bird would take the rookies out to dinner 873 00:46:58,390 --> 00:47:00,190 and just talk to us about, 874 00:47:00,190 --> 00:47:02,650 you know, just life and basketball. 875 00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:05,150 Felt like I was a part of that history. 876 00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:10,280 Oh, my. 877 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:11,490 Getting to the point right now, 878 00:47:11,490 --> 00:47:12,660 we're getting-- growing very accustomed 879 00:47:12,660 --> 00:47:14,120 to seeing Reggie doing it. 880 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,370 And it's very reminiscent of another guy 881 00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:20,080 that I saw do it for years and years and years in Larry. 882 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:21,670 Larry was rejuvenated. 883 00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:23,080 He'd go to practice. 884 00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,050 You can't complain about anything. 885 00:47:28,050 --> 00:47:30,260 Like, practice too long, practice too hard. 886 00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:31,840 Wait a minute. We got 16 banners, dude. 887 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,550 Like, what you complaining about? 888 00:47:33,550 --> 00:47:34,890 And guess what, rook. 889 00:47:34,890 --> 00:47:36,850 You gonna shoot with me after practice. 890 00:47:36,850 --> 00:47:38,930 It was more of a lesson. 891 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,150 for whatever was coming after they retired 892 00:47:45,150 --> 00:47:46,980 and they left the team. 893 00:47:49,490 --> 00:47:54,120 Seeing Larry every day try to play one game, 894 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,620 he did everything possible. 895 00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:57,490 I mean, he would go to doctor appointments. 896 00:47:57,490 --> 00:48:00,410 He would be in traction. 897 00:48:00,410 --> 00:48:02,080 I don't know if you ever been in traction, 898 00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,380 but you lay down there, and they tie these weights 899 00:48:04,380 --> 00:48:06,170 on you and all this, and you're laying there. 900 00:48:06,170 --> 00:48:09,380 You know, you drink so much water during a game. 901 00:48:09,380 --> 00:48:11,220 I mean, I know I did. 902 00:48:11,220 --> 00:48:13,760 Then of course, after the game, I'd drink a couple beers, 903 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,090 you know? 904 00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:16,470 Ten minutes later, I'm pushing that button. 905 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:19,350 That nurse told me one night, she goes, 906 00:48:19,350 --> 00:48:22,180 this traction ain't helping you if you can't stay in it. 907 00:48:22,190 --> 00:48:23,640 I'd get up and go to the bathroom, come back, 908 00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:25,190 and they'd do it all over again. 909 00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:29,480 Everybody has back problems. 910 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,740 Obviously it's to a different degree. 911 00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:35,110 The one thing about nerves is, when they start hurting, 912 00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:36,620 that's a whole different ball game. 913 00:48:36,620 --> 00:48:40,490 And that's--I had nerve damage and flared-up nerves. 914 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:42,830 Going through all that was a mess. 915 00:48:42,830 --> 00:48:46,250 Larry Bird did not decide to play in this ball game 916 00:49:02,230 --> 00:49:04,850 The man has had to fight all of his life. 917 00:49:04,850 --> 00:49:07,610 You got people that don't believe in you. 918 00:49:07,610 --> 00:49:11,030 So he is driving, driving, driving 919 00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:12,820 because we have-- all have one thing. 920 00:49:12,820 --> 00:49:14,450 I don't think it's any more or less in Larry. 921 00:49:14,450 --> 00:49:17,620 We're all trying to prove we're worthy. 922 00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:20,580 All of us have proven we're worthy. 923 00:49:20,580 --> 00:49:23,250 All he ever wanted was for people to say 924 00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:25,750 he played the hardest of anybody. 925 00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:27,960 That was the most important thing to him. 926 00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:31,170 And it has come down to this fifth and deciding game 927 00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:37,300 My favorite Larry Bird moment 928 00:49:37,300 --> 00:49:40,850 is the first round in '91 against Indiana. 929 00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:47,560 Pacers downcourt in a hurry. 930 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,560 Larry Bird had some words 931 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,820 right in the face of Chuck Person. 932 00:49:52,820 --> 00:49:57,150 It was one last moment of glory, of greatness, 933 00:50:02,330 --> 00:50:04,330 Bird on a knock-away by Sanders. 934 00:50:06,540 --> 00:50:10,130 Bird is down, and he's hurt. 935 00:50:10,130 --> 00:50:12,880 Tries to go a loose ball, hits his face. 936 00:50:15,420 --> 00:50:17,380 a concussion or something. 937 00:50:17,380 --> 00:50:18,930 He cracked the bone in his face. 938 00:50:18,930 --> 00:50:21,720 As Bird goes after the loose ball to try to save it, 939 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:24,180 he does, in fact, get it, keeps it in play. 940 00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:25,680 But he paid for it. 941 00:50:30,310 --> 00:50:34,900 While he was gone, the momentum completely changed. 942 00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:36,610 Don't think the fact that Larry Bird is 943 00:50:36,610 --> 00:50:38,070 in the locker room right now isn't 944 00:50:38,070 --> 00:50:39,700 helping the Indiana Pacers. 945 00:50:39,700 --> 00:50:43,950 They know the leader is not on the floor. 946 00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:57,170 And here comes Larry Bird. 947 00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,510 And everybody was like, Larry, Larry! 948 00:51:03,890 --> 00:51:06,770 They have been standing and cheering 949 00:51:06,770 --> 00:51:11,730 since Larry Bird made his way from underneath the tunnel. 950 00:51:11,730 --> 00:51:13,730 He's giving away three inches to Bird. 951 00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:16,480 Drew the foul. Yes! 952 00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:17,940 And it counts! 953 00:51:21,490 --> 00:51:23,280 That, to me, is one of my all-time 954 00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,290 seminal moments because of how personal these things are. 955 00:51:27,290 --> 00:51:30,120 How many times does he drive that spike through your heart 956 00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,420 with shots like that? 957 00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:35,000 There are certain sounds and certain games 958 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,960 that don't just take you back to the game. 959 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,050 They take you back to where you were 960 00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:39,630 at that point in your life. 961 00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:45,600 was the end of that era. 962 00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,220 But Larry had one more piece of magic for us. 963 00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:50,730 And it is all over. 964 00:51:50,730 --> 00:51:55,150 The Boston Celtics have defeated the Indiana Pacers. 965 00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:57,940 Larry! Larry! Larry! Larry! 966 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,450 I had some major problems after that playoffs 967 00:52:04,450 --> 00:52:06,620 with my back. 968 00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:08,370 So I had back surgery. 969 00:52:10,580 --> 00:52:13,620 I couldn't believe I was still out there doing this. 970 00:52:13,630 --> 00:52:15,380 Why would I go play, then go straight 971 00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:20,840 and then go back? 972 00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:24,090 And every time I would play, I was wondering if I 973 00:52:24,090 --> 00:52:25,550 was gonna be in a wheelchair. 974 00:52:25,550 --> 00:52:27,010 Was I ever gonna be able to walk on the beach 975 00:52:27,010 --> 00:52:29,310 or hold my kids? 976 00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:51,500 It's a very emotional day, but it's not really a sad day. 977 00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:53,410 When I retired at the end, 978 00:52:53,420 --> 00:52:55,250 it felt like the weight of the world was off my shoulders. 979 00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:56,750 Now I can go get-- get this stuff fixed 980 00:52:56,750 --> 00:52:58,960 and move on with my life. 981 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,130 If you don't play for the Boston Celtics, 982 00:53:02,130 --> 00:53:05,510 you never played professional basketball. 983 00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:07,010 You want to be a part of a family. 984 00:53:07,010 --> 00:53:08,510 You want to be a part of the team. 985 00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:10,260 And the only way you can get that 986 00:53:10,270 --> 00:53:11,640 is to play for the Celtics. 987 00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:18,730 It was a really difficult ending 988 00:53:18,730 --> 00:53:20,860 to a fantastic, incredible career 989 00:53:20,860 --> 00:53:23,360 that should have lasted another five years, you know? 990 00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:24,990 And, you know, if you go back and say to him, 991 00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:26,570 all right, you have a time machine. 992 00:53:26,570 --> 00:53:27,950 You can go back. 993 00:53:27,950 --> 00:53:30,200 Don't dive for that loose ball. 994 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,160 Don't grab that rebound and get smacked in the head 995 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:34,080 and fall flat on your back. 996 00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:35,830 He'd still dive for the loose ball. 997 00:53:35,830 --> 00:53:37,120 He'd still grab that rebound in traffic. 998 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:38,250 That's who he is. 999 00:53:38,250 --> 00:53:40,500 You can't change who you are. 1000 00:53:40,500 --> 00:53:44,050 And I think Bostonians embraced that. 1001 00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:47,590 I said this to Bird once, of the 25 best moments of my life, 1002 00:53:47,590 --> 00:53:49,140 I think you were involved in 20 of them. 1003 00:53:49,140 --> 00:53:52,140 You'd wait for these games all week, and we'd go. 1004 00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:54,560 And the crowd would be fucking ballistic. 1005 00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:55,770 There's no better night. 1006 00:53:55,770 --> 00:53:56,770 It's the best. 1007 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:04,110 The great emotion of the fourth period 1008 00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:07,400 of a game seven in the NBA. 1009 00:54:07,410 --> 00:54:09,450 That was one of the best games we've ever been to, 1010 00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:11,280 Bird and Dominique. 1011 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,160 Bird gets it in low on the turnaround. 1012 00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,710 Here's Wilkins. 1013 00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:19,040 This is the type of game of who's gonna blink first. 1014 00:54:22,500 --> 00:54:25,130 They just went at it, and it was awesome. 1015 00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:27,760 But Bird summoned everything and just was like, 1016 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,840 And we were delirious. 1017 00:54:30,850 --> 00:54:33,680 And it's Bird. 1018 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,930 Just listen to this crowd. 1019 00:54:38,980 --> 00:54:42,650 You are watching what greatness is all about. 1020 00:54:44,610 --> 00:54:46,320 That was a wonderful moment, though, 1021 00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,450 We had just seen something spectacular. 1022 00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:51,570 Yeah. 1023 00:54:51,570 --> 00:54:54,450 It was neat to have this common thing to go to... 1024 00:54:54,450 --> 00:54:55,740 Yeah. 1025 00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:58,290 That we both enjoyed watching. 1026 00:54:58,290 --> 00:55:00,120 We enjoyed being together. 1027 00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:02,790 And that was the most important reason 1028 00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:04,420 for me to have the tickets. 1029 00:55:08,130 --> 00:55:11,430 Larry Bird and Boston is a partnership that basketball 1030 00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:12,850 will never see again. 1031 00:55:12,850 --> 00:55:14,050 He was it. 1032 00:55:14,060 --> 00:55:16,520 In New England, I mean, it was like, John F. Kennedy, 1033 00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:21,690 Fans loved him. 1034 00:55:21,690 --> 00:55:23,980 They love him to this day. 1035 00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:25,820 And that's why Larry's retirement ceremony 1036 00:55:25,820 --> 00:55:28,400 filled the Garden for a night without a game, 1037 00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,070 which tells you all you need to know. 1038 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,160 The whole run we had through the '80s, we had really 1039 00:55:40,170 --> 00:55:42,370 just a great group of guys. 1040 00:55:42,380 --> 00:55:45,880 And whenever I see those guys, I get a big smile on my face 1041 00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,090 because it just brings back being a young kid 1042 00:55:49,090 --> 00:55:51,430 and playing in the NBA, 1043 00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:53,510 and all the experiences we had together 1044 00:55:53,510 --> 00:55:55,720 were just, you know, phenomenal. 1045 00:55:55,720 --> 00:56:01,060 The one thing I miss: the locker room, my teammates. 1046 00:56:03,810 --> 00:56:06,070 I had my best time of my life in Boston. 1047 00:56:06,070 --> 00:56:08,940 And me and my wife, we absolutely adore that city. 1048 00:56:08,940 --> 00:56:10,400 We loved it out there. 1049 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,320 I'm not just saying that because I played there. 1050 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:14,660 We were out there, and we were thrilled to death. 1051 00:56:14,660 --> 00:56:18,660 You know, I just-- it's amazing to me. 1052 00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:22,210 Ladies and gentlemen, Larry Bird. 1053 00:56:26,420 --> 00:56:31,470 I listened tonight to all these things about Larry. 1054 00:56:31,470 --> 00:56:35,510 And I'm just proud to call him a friend. 1055 00:56:35,510 --> 00:56:38,810 And the only regret I had is that I never coached him. 1056 00:56:45,690 --> 00:56:47,440 The one thing I want somebody--you know, 1057 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,440 they always talk about this and that-- 1058 00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,530 that I came to play, because I came to play. 1059 00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:54,950 If you're playing and you put your uniform on, 1060 00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:57,490 you better play, and you better wear it proudly. 1061 00:56:57,490 --> 00:56:58,870 I can remember one time, 1062 00:56:58,870 --> 00:57:00,080 we was driving home after a game, 1063 00:57:03,250 --> 00:57:06,460 I say, did it look like I was playing hard out there? 1064 00:57:06,460 --> 00:57:07,920 She goes, you always play hard. 1065 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,380 You just didn't play very well, you know? 1066 00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:12,130 And it makes sense. 1067 00:57:12,130 --> 00:57:13,510 But you can always give that effort, 1068 00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:15,300 and that's what I want to be-- I gave an effort. 1069 00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:17,680 I gave an honest effort every night. 1070 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,510 Please welcome now the Laker player who, along with Larry, 1071 00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,810 defined a new level of competitive excellence 1072 00:57:22,810 --> 00:57:24,100 in the NBA, 1073 00:57:24,100 --> 00:57:26,520 Earvin "Magic" Johnson. 1074 00:57:28,900 --> 00:57:31,530 You only told me one lie in your career. 1075 00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:35,820 Larry Bird said that there will be 1076 00:57:35,820 --> 00:57:38,660 another Larry Bird. 1077 00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:43,410 And, Larry, there will never, ever, 1078 00:57:43,410 --> 00:57:47,500 ever be another Larry Bird. 1079 00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:51,800 I love you, I respect you, and I admire you. 82684

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