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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,120 [HUM OF CONVERSATION] 4 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:39,080 (โ™ช 'Bridge of Khazad Dum') 5 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,560 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 6 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,760 IAN MCKELLEN: Look ahead! The bridge is near. It is dangerous and narrow. 7 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:59,480 Suddenly Frodo saw before him a black chasm. 8 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,520 At the end of the hall, the floor vanished 9 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,040 and fell to an unknown depth. 10 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,960 The outer door could only be reached by a slender bridge of stone, 11 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,480 without kerb or rail, that spanned the chasm 12 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,720 in one curving spring of 50 feet. 13 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,600 At the brink, Gandalf halted and the others came up in a pack behind. 14 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,920 "Lead the way, Gimli: Pippin and Merry next. 15 00:01:23,039 --> 00:01:25,320 "Straight on and up the stair beyond the door!" 16 00:01:27,039 --> 00:01:28,800 Something was coming up behind them. 17 00:01:31,039 --> 00:01:35,759 What it was could not be seen: it was like a great shadow, 18 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,840 in the middle of which was a dark form, 19 00:01:37,960 --> 00:01:40,000 of man-shape maybe, yet greater: 20 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:45,000 and a power and terror seemed to be in it and to go before it. 21 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,400 It came to the edge of the fire. The light faded, 22 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:49,280 as if a cloud had bent over it. 23 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,560 And then with a rush, it leapt across the fissure. 24 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,080 And the flames roared up to greet it and wreathed about it. 25 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,200 In its right hand was a blade 26 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,560 like a stabbing tongue of fire. 27 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,760 In its other hand, it held a whip of many thongs. 28 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,880 "A Balrog," muttered Gandalf. 29 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,000 "Now I understand!" 30 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,440 And he faltered and leaned heavily on his staff. 31 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,560 The dark figure streaming with fire raced towards them. 32 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,600 "Over the bridge!" cried Gandalf, recalling his strength. 33 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,000 "Fly! This is a foe beyond any of you. 34 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,160 "I must hold the narrow way. 35 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,440 "Fly!" 36 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,680 The Balrog reached the bridge 37 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:31,560 and Gandalf stood in the middle of the span, 38 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,120 leaning on the staff in his left hand: but in his other hand, 39 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,960 Glamdring gleamed cold and white. 40 00:02:39,079 --> 00:02:41,720 His enemy halted again, facing him, 41 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,360 the shadow about it stretched out like two vast wings. 42 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:48,720 It raised its whip. The thongs whined and cracked. 43 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,079 Fire came from its nostrils. 44 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,960 But still Gandalf stood firm. "You cannot pass!" 45 00:02:55,079 --> 00:02:57,200 A dead silence fell. 46 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:03,520 "I am a servant of the Secret Fire, wielder of the Flame of Anor. 47 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:05,320 "You cannot pass. 48 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:10,080 "The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udรปn. 49 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,760 "Go back to the shadow. 50 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,560 "You cannot pass." 51 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,160 The Balrog made no answer. 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:20,720 It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge 53 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,480 and suddenly raised itself to a great height 54 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,600 and its wings were spread from wall to wall. 55 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,720 But still Gandalf could be seen, glimmering in the gloom. 56 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,920 Then from out of the shadow, a red sword leaped, flaming. 57 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Glamdring glittered white in answer. 58 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,680 There was a ringing clash, a stab of white fire. 59 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,640 And the Balrog fell back and its sword flew up in molten fragments. 60 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,040 And then with a bound, it leapt full upon the bridge. 61 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:51,320 Its whip whirled and hissed. 62 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,280 And at that moment Gandalf, crying aloud, 63 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,120 smote the bridge before him. 64 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:00,880 "You shall not pass!" 65 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,400 And a blinding sheet of white flame sprang up. 66 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:04,960 The bridge cracked. 67 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,400 Right at the Balrog's feet it broke 68 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,240 and the stone upon which it stood crashed into the gulf. 69 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,240 And with a terrible cry, the Balrog fell forward, 70 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,040 its shadow plunged down and vanished. 71 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:20,120 But even as it fell, it swung its whip 72 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,240 and the thongs lashed and curled about the wizard's knees, 73 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,720 dragging him to the brink. 74 00:04:25,840 --> 00:04:27,480 He staggered and fell, 75 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:29,320 grasped vainly at the stone 76 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,120 and slid into the abyss. 77 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,720 "Fly, you fools!" 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:38,680 And was gone. 79 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:43,800 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 80 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:53,240 [CHEERING] 81 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:06,040 Hello. Thank you. 82 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,720 Just in case you didn't realise, 83 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:14,480 before it was made into all those movies, Lord of the Rings used to be a book. 84 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:15,960 [LAUGHTER] 85 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,080 And Tolkien was writing that chapter, 86 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,040 I think in Oxford, just about the time I was getting ready to be born 87 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,560 up north in the county of Lancashire. 88 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:28,000 J R R... 89 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:31,280 John, Ronald... What does the other R for, do you know? 90 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,080 โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Reuel. โ€• Reuel, yes. 91 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,159 It means friend of God. Do you know what Tolkien means? 92 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,560 [SILENCE] 93 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:40,560 It means foolhardy. 94 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:45,040 And I did perhaps wonder whether I wasn't being a bit little foolhardy 95 00:05:45,159 --> 00:05:47,840 when Peter Jackson came over to my house, 96 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,520 it was 21 years ago, to ask me to play Gandalf, 97 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,280 because at that time, there was no screenplay, no script. 98 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,600 And to tell you the truth... 99 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,159 ..I'd never read Lord of the Rings. 100 00:05:58,280 --> 00:06:00,000 [LAUGHTER] 101 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,280 Of course, ever since, 102 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,880 I've been shamed by family and friends and strangers who have. 103 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,360 And some of them confide almost reverentially, 104 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,000 "I read Lord of the Rings every year!" 105 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,480 [LAUGHTER] 106 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,040 It's 1,137 pages. 107 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,960 It the first week of the millennium. 108 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,600 I'd just arrived in New Zealand, 109 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,280 in the capital city, Wellington, to start filming, 110 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,200 and Peter Jackson, who's a sociable fellow, 111 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,640 took us all out for a welcoming meal. 112 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,840 That's how I met for the first time the four adorable hobbits. 113 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,320 And the glamorous three โ€• 114 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,960 Aragorn, Boromir and...Legolas. 115 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,600 And sitting next to me, a rival wizard, Saruman. 116 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,760 Christopher Frank Carandini Lee... 117 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,280 ..the veteran of 200 movies, 118 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,680 ten of which were Count Dracula. 119 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,720 And quite early on in the meal, 120 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,240 Christopher Lee turned his eyes in my direction. 121 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:31,840 I promise you, they were gleaming as if he was contemplating a virgin neck. 122 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:42,080 And then he confided, "I read Lord of the Rings every year. 123 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,800 "I've always thought I should play Gandalf." 124 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,800 Look, welcome to the Harold Pinter Theatre. 125 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,400 Good to have a theatre named after a playwright. Look at it. 126 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,320 Built 140 years ago. 127 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:10,080 And one of the first actors on this stage was the actor/manager Herbert Beerbohm, 128 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,640 and after here, he went round the corner to Her Majesty's Theatre 129 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,080 and ran a company there for seven years, 130 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:20,480 made so much money that he built a theatre bang opposite His Majesty's. 131 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:26,040 And he lived there and put on his famous extravagant productions of Shakespeare. 132 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,240 He was thought to be a bit old-fashioned, 133 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,200 but no, rather up to date. 134 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,200 He founded the Royal Academy of Dramatic Art. 135 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:38,440 He was the first actor ever to have his voice recorded. 136 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,799 He made the first film of Shakespeare. 137 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:44,640 Well, just a short one โ€• an extract from King John. 138 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,520 It was a silent movie. 139 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,560 [LAUGHTER] 140 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,840 And Shakespeare without the words is a bit... 141 00:08:58,240 --> 00:09:00,440 It's a bit like Mozart without the music. 142 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,160 Beerbohm's a German name, 143 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,160 and he thought perhaps the Brits would like something a little bit simpler. 144 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,480 And so he translated the last syllable into English 145 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,360 and it became Sit Herbert Beerbohm... 146 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,800 Tree. 147 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:19,800 And he must have stood... 148 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,960 ..just where I am now. 149 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,560 And many other wonderful actors. 150 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:30,880 Not me. First time I've been on this stage. 151 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:32,920 I've sat out there on many happy occasions. 152 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:34,800 I've been on the road. 153 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,320 I've been visiting theatres I know well, 154 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,280 and a few that I don't know at all. 155 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,480 This is my skip, my box. 156 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,520 This is what actors used to have when they went on the road. 157 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:45,920 They were usually made of wicker. 158 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:48,640 You kept your costumes in them, props, things you'd need on the road. 159 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,400 And there are the places that we've been to. 160 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:53,880 87 theatres. 161 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,560 And the first one was only last year, 162 00:09:57,680 --> 00:10:00,280 at my local arts centre on the Isle of Dogs. 163 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,160 Then 15 theatres in London and then round England and Wales. 164 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,440 And we ended up, beautifully, in Orkney. 165 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:09,520 Oh, and we went to Northern Ireland. 166 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,680 Yep, there we are โ€• the Braid. 167 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,360 That's in Ballymena in County Antrim, 168 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,520 which is where the McKellens come from. 169 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:21,200 We were bequeathed this dreadful surname... 170 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,680 ..that few people outside County Antrim can spell properly. 171 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,080 Just for the record, it's capital M, small C, 172 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,080 capital K, E-L-L-E-N. 173 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:33,520 E-N! 174 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,720 It's not A-N. and of course, it doesn't really matter, but I used to think it did. 175 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,520 And I wondered whether I shouldn't adopt a stage name 176 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,920 like Sir Herbert's. 177 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:49,520 Then I remembered working with the actor Timothy Carlton, 178 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,320 just after his wife had given birth to their first child, Benedict. 179 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:58,480 And Tim said to me one day, "You know, my real surname, it's not Carlton at all. 180 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,880 "It's Cumberbatch." 181 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,920 He said, "Can you imagine trying to have a success as an actor if you're...?" 182 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:14,600 [APPLAUSE] 183 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,920 And on there somewhere is Home, 184 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,480 which is the wonderful name for the newest theatre built in Manchester, 185 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,760 which is where the McKellens emigrated to. 186 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,600 โ™ช Unpack the luggage 187 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,400 โ™ช La la la... โ™ช 188 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,400 Hi-ho, the glamorous life! 189 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,800 Really what I could do with is a table. 190 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,040 Oh, look here! 191 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,040 [LAUGHTER] 192 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,480 My director, Sean Mathias, 193 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,560 who most recently directed me in No Man's Land by... 194 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:47,360 Harold Pinter... 195 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,040 during rehearsals for this said, 196 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,200 "Ian, wouldn't it be great, when the audience arrives 197 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,320 "if the box is already there... 198 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,040 "and you're inside it?"" 199 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,880 "Sean, what on earth would I be doing inside a box?" 200 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,240 And he said, "Because the audience would like it." 201 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,920 Which is a jolly good reason. But I can't get in there โ€• there's so much else. 202 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,160 Oh, look! 203 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:19,000 Here's my precious... 204 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,040 [AUDIENCE GASPS] 205 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,280 That is the real...Glamdring. 206 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,320 Gandalf's sword, given to me on my last day of shooting, 207 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,880 after eight years of hobbity hills and misty mountain ranges. 208 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,360 Glamdring is in retirement now, lives in my hall, 209 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,320 between Magneto's helmet... 210 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,440 ..and my two walking-sticks from The Da Vinci Code. 211 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:49,520 See that little jewel there? 212 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,000 All that writing? 213 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Yeah. More writing there. 214 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:55,800 That's Elvish. 215 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,080 [LAUGHTER] 216 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,480 Is there a youngster further back 217 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,600 who'd like to come and have a closer look at Glamdring? 218 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,400 Just put your hand up if there is. 219 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,120 Where am I looking? 220 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,480 All right, there's one coming. 221 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,040 Thank you. 222 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,120 You didn't know it was going to be this sort of show, did you? 223 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,880 Hello! What's your name? 224 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,600 โ€• Hello. โ€• [APPLAUSE] 225 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:27,760 โ€• What's your name? โ€• Iljama. 226 00:13:31,560 --> 00:13:34,240 Now just say your name for them. 227 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:35,720 โ€• Iljama. โ€• Iljama. 228 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,560 Right, lovely. And this is Glamdring, Iljama. 229 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,560 [LAUGHTER] 230 00:13:41,680 --> 00:13:43,800 โ€• (IAN CHUCKLES) โ€• You don't trust me! 231 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,000 I do trust... 232 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:46,720 [LAUGHTER] 233 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,840 We all trust you. It's just it's a bit heavy. There we are. 234 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,560 No, no, I'm going to take that off. 235 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,400 โ€• IAN: Oh! โ€• AUDIENCE: Ooh! 236 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:58,160 I've never held a sword before! 237 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,720 โ€• Is it heavy? โ€• Yeah. 238 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,400 โ€• Good. โ€• I think you want it back. 239 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,240 [LAUGHTER] 240 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,040 No, you hold onto it for a bit. 241 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,080 โ€• It looks like a sword... โ€• (DING) 242 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:10,160 Sounds like a sword, but do you know what? 243 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,200 (AUDIENCE GASPS) 244 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,120 Just hold it in your right hand, Iljama. 245 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,680 And that in the other one. There we are. Are you all right? 246 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,680 I think so! 247 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:22,680 Would you like a selfie? 248 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,520 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 249 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,640 There we are. 250 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,480 (APPLAUSE DROWNS OUT SPEECH) 251 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:42,360 Here we are. Is it working? 252 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:43,960 There we go. 253 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:53,360 When you get home, Google Samuel Dunseith McKellen โ€• 254 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,360 he invented the portable camera. 255 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,520 All right, Iljama. Do you want to pop the sword back in the scabbard for me? 256 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:00,920 โ€• OK. โ€• Yeah. 257 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,000 I don't think I'll be able to put it back in. 258 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,600 I think you better... 259 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,240 No, no, no, you... 260 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,200 No, no, no, no, I want you to do it for me. 261 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,000 โ€• OK. โ€• I'll help you. 262 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,840 All right? 263 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,680 โ€• Thank you. โ€• There we are. 264 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,080 [APPLAUSE] 265 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,160 โ€• Have you got one of these? โ€• No. 266 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:28,520 Well, you do now. 267 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:33,200 All right. This is as close as I'm going to get to an autobiography. 268 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,800 I wrote it specially for the tour. 269 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,880 It's just an autobiography, really, with... 270 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,720 Those are all the places we went to. 271 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,360 And it's full of photographs. Who's that? Do you know? 272 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:48,880 โ€• Is it you? โ€• That's me there. 273 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:51,960 Who's that one? Don't know? 274 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,920 All right, I won't tell Patrick Stewart. 275 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:01,600 I-L-J-A-M-A... 276 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:02,720 โ€• Is that right? โ€• Yep. 277 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:04,360 That's right, good. 278 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,800 Well, it's nice to have your name spelled properly, 279 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,720 โ€• isn't it? โ€• Yes. 280 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:09,840 There we are, Iljama. 281 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,160 You give me the sword back... 282 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,080 Let's shake hands. 283 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:19,040 [APPLAUSE DROWNS OUT SPEECH] 284 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,000 By chance, anyone here born in New Zealand? 285 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,160 โ€• Yes, where? โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Auckland. 286 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,320 Auckland, where the Orcs come from! 287 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,360 Anyone ever been to New Zealand? 288 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:40,760 [WHOOPING] 289 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:42,680 Aren't we the lucky ones? 290 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,760 Anyone ever been on a stamp in New Zealand? 291 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:48,280 [LAUGHTER] 292 00:16:57,400 --> 00:16:59,000 And a coin? 293 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,720 No, no, that's wasn't me. That was Gandalf. 294 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:11,119 You know, Iljama... 295 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,800 Iljama, the best day was when... 296 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:19,960 ..this helicopter lifted the nine members of The Fellowship up, up, up... 297 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:22,160 to the Southern Alps. And off it went, 298 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,960 and the cameraman inside it filmed me 299 00:17:25,079 --> 00:17:28,119 leading the way up this narrow, snowy ridge, 300 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:29,840 I promise you, up to our knees. 301 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,840 No human being could ever have been there before. 302 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:37,040 Down here, there was a perilous drop and up there, Mount Cook, 303 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,040 where I knew Edmund Hillary had trained 304 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,520 for the successful ascent of Mount Everest. 305 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,800 He was a bit of a hero in our household. 306 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:48,280 My dad used to climb in the Lake District and Snowdonia. 307 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,160 Crampons, ropes, all that. And as a treat for me, 308 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,600 they invited Edmund Hillary to come and see us filming. 309 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,040 And it turned out it was going to be a bit of a thrill for him too, 310 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,680 because he was a huge Tolkien fan. 311 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,440 So you can imagine my excitement โ€• 312 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:08,760 suddenly there he is at the end of the corridor. The conqueror of Everest. 313 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,560 Six foot three inches tall, a bit stooped now, 314 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,720 like Gandalf, and oh, a lovely long face. 315 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,120 A bit like my dad's, actually โ€• big jutting jaw. 316 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,920 And he held out his great big paw. And he said, 317 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:23,240 "I read Lord of the Rings every year." 318 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:25,320 [LAUGHTER] 319 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,520 (HUMS A TUNE) 320 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:46,360 โ™ช For the strength of the hills We bless thee 321 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,560 โ™ช Our God 322 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:54,040 โ™ช Our fathers' God Amen. โ™ช 323 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,240 I don't go to church any more, but I do miss the hymns. 324 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,240 And as a kid back in Lancashire, in Wigan... 325 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,240 ..on a Sunday, hymns all day long. 326 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:07,760 10:30 in the morning, church service, Sunday School in the afternoon, 327 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,480 then back to church in the evening. 328 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:11,720 Congregational Church. 329 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,600 And the Congregationalists, as their name implies, are in charge. 330 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,720 They organise everything through their monthly meeting. 331 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,000 There's no hierarchy. They make all the big decisions, 332 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:21,320 like who's going to be their minister. 333 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:27,240 And in Romiley in Cheshire, where we've already been with the show... 334 00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,800 Yep, there we are โ€• the Forum, Romiley. 335 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:32,920 The Congregational Church there 336 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,840 appointed my mother's father to be their minister, 337 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,640 and my dad was a lay preacher. 338 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,680 So was his dad, Grandad McKellen. 339 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,520 And he had a bit of a theatrical bent. 340 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,120 If he felt that the congregation 341 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,960 weren't really paying him quite enough attention, 342 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,400 he'd suddenly say, in the middle of the sermon, 343 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,000 "I can see the children of Israel!" 344 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:57,040 And half the congregation would fall for it and turn round to look where... 345 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,000 So I come from a family who are at ease... 346 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,840 ..with public speaking in the pulpit and the classroom โ€• 347 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,240 lots of teachers in the family. 348 00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:10,520 My sister Jean, five years older. 349 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,200 She was an English teacher. She married a teacher. 350 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:18,280 Our Uncle Ken was a teacher โ€• first one in the family to get to university. 351 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,760 Kenneth Sutcliffe. He ended up as headmaster 352 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,560 of Latymer Upper School for Boys, here in West London, 353 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,600 at a time when Alan Rickman was a student. 354 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,520 And now, look, Uncle Ken was a bit of a stick, 355 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,120 but I checked with Alan and he promised me 356 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,920 he did not base Professor Snape on my uncle. 357 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,480 So we are a family of communicators. 358 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:47,680 Proselytisers on occasion. 359 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,680 And performers...amateur performers. 360 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:55,240 My grandmother was a renowned soprano. 361 00:20:55,920 --> 00:21:00,080 And when Grandad McKellen first saw his future wife, she was singing hymns. 362 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,680 Solos for the church choir in the Free Trade Hall in Manchester. 363 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:11,160 And he said, "Ian, I fell in love with her voice." 364 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:16,520 And back in Romiley, when she was a girl... 365 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,080 ..my mother used to do a bit of amateur acting with the church players. 366 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,760 And sister Jean... 367 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,120 Oh, well, she was an enthusiastic amateur all her life, 368 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,480 and as a girl, she sang in choirs, 369 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,920 and at home, played duets with Dad on the upright Bechstein in the front room. 370 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,120 And Dad's hands... 371 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,320 A bit like Edmund Hillary's. They were huge! 372 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,680 The fingers... 373 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:45,480 so thick, sometimes they got stuck between the keys. 374 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,480 A very early memory for me was trying to get to sleep, 375 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,520 and Dad pounding his way through a Chopin sonata on the piano below. 376 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,720 I've got the piano in here somewhere. 377 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:58,680 [LAUGHTER] 378 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,200 Promise I have. I've got the piano in here because... 379 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,680 ..The Piano is a 12-line poem by David Herbert Lawrence. 380 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,160 Look at that โ€• all those poems by a novelist. 381 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:18,280 Actually I once played DH Lawrence in the film Priest of love. 382 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,400 [SILENCE] 383 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,760 Which you never saw. 384 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:23,120 [LAUGHTER] 385 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,520 But if you're a fan of Ava Gardner, have a look at Priest of Love. 386 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,720 It was her last movie. 387 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,160 The Piano. 388 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,200 Softly, in the dusk, a woman is singing to me 389 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,080 Taking me back down the vista of years 390 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,360 Till I see a child sitting under the piano 391 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,040 In the boom of the tingling strings 392 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,440 And pressing the small, poised feet of a mother 393 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,960 Who smiles as she sings 394 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,640 In spite of myself 395 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,640 The insidious mastery of song 396 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,320 Betrays me back 397 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,640 Till the heart of me weeps to belong 398 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,920 To the old Sunday evenings at home, with winter outside 399 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,320 And hymns in the cosy parlour 400 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,760 The tinkling piano our guide 401 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,080 So now it is vain for the singer to burst into clamour 402 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,240 With the great black piano appassionato 403 00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:26,520 The glamour 404 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:31,320 Of childish days is upon me, my manhood is cast 405 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,000 Down in the flood of remembrance 406 00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:40,480 I weep like a child for the past. 407 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,440 "So, young Master McKellen, what do you want to be when you grow up?" 408 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,480 This is Auntie Dorothy one Christmas. 409 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:57,040 "Do you want to be a preacher, like your grandad? Yes? Yes?" 410 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,440 "No. No." 411 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,480 "Do you want to be, oh, a teacher, like your Uncle Ken? Yes?" 412 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,080 "No." 413 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,920 "Well, do you want to be a civil engineer, like your dad?" 414 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,280 And I screamed inside, "No, no, no! 415 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,920 "I want to go into hotel management." 416 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,360 [LAUGHTER] 417 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,480 For years, I wanted to be a chef, 418 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:29,400 and then a journalist, 419 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,240 and then something... 420 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,200 Not an actor. Well, not yet. 421 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,320 Eventually, inevitably. 422 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:40,840 I suppose it all began when I was very young. 423 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:43,320 One Wednesday morning. 424 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,320 I was taken out of my nursery school in Wigan. 425 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:48,920 I was three. Three years old. 426 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,280 And we were going on our first family theatre outing to Manchester โ€• big city. 427 00:24:54,120 --> 00:24:55,560 On the train. 428 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,960 The steam train. 429 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,360 And we were going to go to the Palace Theatre. 430 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,520 What a wonderful name for a theatre. 431 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,800 And we were all going to see Peter Pan. And all through the journey, 432 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,760 "Mummy, will it be a real crocodile? 433 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,000 "Mummy, will they really fly?" 434 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,840 "Well, we'll have to wait and see." 435 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,520 Well, the trouble was I could see. I mean, I could see the wires. 436 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,000 And the croc... 437 00:25:27,120 --> 00:25:30,000 It was obviously just a silly man crawling about on his tummy. 438 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,440 I don't know โ€• three years old and a critic. 439 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,520 Tinkerbell โ€• it was obviously just a torch! 440 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560 Mind you, when Peter Pan said we were to clap 441 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,160 if we believed in fairies, 442 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,920 I clapped away. 443 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,280 I've been clapping ever since. 444 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,280 [APPLAUSE] 445 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,360 And that's one of those moments. You don't see it coming and it changes your life. 446 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,840 Dad whispered, "We've got to go!" 447 00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:08,520 Before the end of the show. 448 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,520 Get the train back to Wigan. And we're pushing along the row 449 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:16,800 where we've been sitting up there, getting to the side door to go. 450 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,680 And just before, I have one last look at the stage. 451 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,800 And the backcloth is covered in little stars. 452 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,640 In Neverland. 453 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,120 And I thought... 454 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,120 "I want more of this. I'm coming back." 455 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,840 And it wasn't that I wanted to be on the stage. 456 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,960 No, I wanted to be behind it, either side of it, underneath it. 457 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:47,080 Is that possible? 458 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,160 Above it. Find out where did all the wires go to? 459 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,360 How does it all work? What's behind the scenery? 460 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:54,840 And anyway... 461 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:57,880 How do you make starlight? 462 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,440 So this... 463 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,560 ..passion grew. 464 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,920 And it wasn't a passion for the church. 465 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,400 It wasn't a passion for music. I still can't play the piano. 466 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,560 It wasn't a passion for cricket. 467 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,480 It could have been, because at the end of our garden was the Wigan Cricket Club, 468 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,960 and every Saturday during the season, 469 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,160 I saw every single game, 470 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,680 and on Sundays, I used to race back from Sunday School to score for the Second XI. 471 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,480 Look what I've just found at home. 472 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,440 [LAUGHTER] 473 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,200 AUDIENCE: Awww! 474 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,160 It's my studio chair. 475 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,120 They gave it to me on the last day of Priest of Love. 476 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,800 Not what I was looking for. 477 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,440 Here we are. 478 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,720 "Country Borough of Wigan Education Committee exercise book. 479 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,960 "Name โ€• Ian M McKellen." 480 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,120 M is for Murray. 481 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,920 "Subject โ€• hobbies book." 482 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,760 (CHUCKLES) I wonder, can you see? 483 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,400 "The theatre. 484 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:18,280 "Yes, anything to do with the theatre pleases me. 485 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960 "I'm sure a great thrill must go through 486 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:26,040 "anyone sitting in the orchestra stalls and waiting for the curtain to go up. 487 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,080 "But have you ever thought of all the work 488 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,120 "that many people have to undergo...?" 489 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,080 Who did I think I was writing it for? 490 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,720 Well, perhaps for you. 491 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,720 Here's my theatre diary. 492 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:49,880 "One week ago, I saw Mr Novello's King's Rhapsody 493 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:51,600 "at the Palace Theatre, Manchester." 494 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,600 Ah, so we did go back there. Now, that needs a bit of an explanation these days. 495 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,280 King's Rhapsody... 496 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:02,880 ..was the last of the great extravagant sentimental operettas โ€• musicals... 497 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,520 by Ivor Novello, the Welsh composer and actor, 498 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,080 remembered these days for the Novello Theatre in London and... 499 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:17,960 oh, everywhere, every year with the Ivor Novello Awards for popular music. 500 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,480 When he was 21 years old, 501 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,280 he had written the hit song of... 502 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,200 the First World War, still remembered today. 503 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,400 Do you recall? 504 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,720 Keep the Home Fires Burning. 505 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,800 โ™ช Keep the home fires burning... โ™ช 506 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,120 Though your hearts are yearning. 507 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,640 (AUDIENCE SINGS ALONG) โ™ช Though your hearts are yearning... โ™ช 508 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:43,600 While the boys are far away. 509 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,160 โ™ช While the boys are far away... โ™ช 510 00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:49,480 They dream of home. 511 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,480 โ™ช They dream of home 512 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,000 AUDIENCE MEMBER: โ™ช There's a silver... โ™ช 513 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160 [LAUGHTER] 514 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,040 AUDIENCE MEMBER: โ™ช Through the dark clouds shining 515 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,680 โ™ช Turn the dark cloud inside out 516 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:14,160 โ™ช Till the boys come home. โ™ช 517 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,880 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 518 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,200 And then later, in the Second World War, he wrote We'll Gather Lilacs. 519 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,320 He didn't sing himself, but he was always in the musicals 520 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,800 and he accompanied the leading ladies. 521 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,800 In the case of King's Rhapsody, 522 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,520 she was called... Well! 523 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,360 Well, his leading lady in King's Rhapsody had a stage name 524 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,480 and it had been given to her by Ivor Novello. 525 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,160 He said, "I'm going to name you 526 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,040 "after the most beautiful actress working today. 527 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,360 "And I'm going to give you her initials and her second name. 528 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:53,000 "We'll spell it differently." 529 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,280 And that's how young Vanessa Lee 530 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,360 was named after the beautiful Vivien Leigh. 531 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,320 Oh, and was Ivor beautiful! 532 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,720 Oh, you have a look at his early photographs in his silent movies โ€• 533 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,960 two of them directed by Alfred Hitchcock. 534 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,560 On stage, total matinee idol. 535 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:15,840 One year, he'd won an award for the most glamorous profile in the world. 536 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,480 And the hit song in King's Rhapsody was 537 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,320 โ™ช Someday my heart will awake 538 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,000 โ™ช Someday... โ™ช 539 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,160 And up there... 540 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,360 ..in row C, where we were sitting for my mother's birthday treat, my heart... 541 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,680 I mean...Ivor Novello... 542 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,720 ..upstage centre. Profile on display. 543 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,480 Tailored silken dressing gown. 544 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,120 And at the exact moment 545 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,960 when he seductively handed over a glass of champagne 546 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,000 to young Vanessa Lee on the chaise longue, 547 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,120 up there in row C, 548 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,840 I had my first erection. 549 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,200 [LAUGHTER] 550 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,400 And I've loved the theatre ever since. 551 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,080 [APPLAUSE] 552 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,960 I mean, loved it as you love it, as theatregoers. 553 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,880 And it was sister Jean started taking me to the theatre. 554 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,000 When I was ten, 555 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,560 she took me off to the Wigan Little Theatre 556 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,480 to see the amateurs there do Twelfth Night. 557 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,600 First Shakespeare I'd ever seen. 558 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,880 And shortly after, at the same address, Macbeth. 559 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,560 And my boyhood seemed to be packed with Shakespeare. 560 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:48,520 Our school took an annual camp to Stratford-upon-Avon, 561 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,160 where Shakespeare was born. 562 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,760 Under canvas, and then we punted up the River Avon 563 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,680 to the old Memorial Theatre, 564 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:59,920 where some of the most illustrious performers of my youth 565 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,520 were in the summer season of Shakespeare there. 566 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,680 Most exciting of all for me, 567 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,600 Sir Laurence Olivier. 568 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:12,280 And I saw him first playing Malvolio in Twelfth Night. 569 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:13,640 Second time I'd seen the play. 570 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,920 And in the same season, Macbeth. 571 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,080 And his wife in the play was played by his actual wife, 572 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,760 the beautiful Vivien Leigh. 573 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,400 Then I started going to the theatre... 574 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,760 ..by myself. I hesitate because... 575 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,400 Well, it's true of everything, but... 576 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,520 My relationship with the live theatre has been very dependent on luck. Good luck. 577 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,560 And...the luck was that Dad got a new job 578 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:53,360 and we moved from Wigan all of 11 miles away to Bolton. 579 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,520 And 150,000 people in the cotton spinning town, 580 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,720 and in Bolton, they had three fully functioning commercial theatres, 581 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,520 and I went to them all. 582 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,560 Number one, the Hippodrome. 583 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,199 This housed the Lawrence Williamson Players 584 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:15,679 and they did weekly rep โ€• a weekly repertory of a new play every Monday. 585 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,639 Thriller, light comedy, farce. 586 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,360 And that would play through the week in the evenings, 587 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,159 while during the day, the actors rehearsed the following week's play. 588 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,840 They'd been doing this without a break for 27 years, 589 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,560 and some of the actors had been in the company that length of time. 590 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,440 And they obviously didn't get paid enough money 591 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,199 and they certainly didn't get enough rehearsal. 592 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,880 [LAUGHTER] 593 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,080 So I'm afraid it was 27 years of rather dodgy productions. 594 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,840 But I did not care. 595 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,040 Then in Churchgate in Bolton... 596 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:57,920 ..we had the Theatre Royal. 597 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,840 Now, this was something. It had been designed 598 00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:03,120 by the great late-19th-century architect of British theatres, 599 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:05,720 Frank Matcham. 600 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,640 Some of them still remain up and down the place. 601 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,760 I've played them on this tour โ€• Theatre Royal, Newcastle 602 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,760 and the Lyric Hammersmith, and there are others in London โ€• 603 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,440 the Palladium, the Coliseum, the Victoria Palace. 604 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,360 But in Bolton, the Theatre Royal. 605 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,760 And this put on tours โ€• Ballet Rambert. 606 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,120 Carl Rosa Opera, Gilbert and Sullivan... 607 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,400 Oh, and at Christmas, the pantomime. 608 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,720 I love pantomime. 609 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,400 I see a pantomime every year. 610 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,240 Well, many more than one if I can manage it. 611 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,880 What an introduction to the theatre pantomime is, 612 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,720 because anything that's theatrical works in a pantomime, doesn't it, 613 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,520 from transforming scenery 614 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,560 to outrageous costumes and singing and dancing and poetry. 615 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,320 A moral story. 616 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,840 Silly jokes, dirty jokes, audience participation. 617 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,960 It invented here. It belongs to us. It's ours. 618 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,360 Doesn't travel very well. 619 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:13,400 Well, I mean you try explaining to somebody what a pantomime is. 620 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,280 Ah, well, you see, there's all this cross-dressing. 621 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,000 And the principal boy isn't actually a boy. 622 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,360 No, she's a girl. And the dame is not really a dame. 623 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:25,880 He's a bloke in a frock. 624 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,680 Oh, it's nothing to do with female impersonation. 625 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:34,280 And when I came to achieve a lifetime's ambition of playing there myself, 626 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,960 it was here in London at The Old Vic theatre 627 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:44,240 and we were doing Aladdin. I was playing his mother, Widow Twankey, 628 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,560 and Sean, who was directing, had assembled 629 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,640 a world-beating troupe of talent onstage and off. 630 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,520 I thought, I'm really going to have to find out how to do this. 631 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:58,880 So I found a man who had played dames professionally 40 times โ€• 632 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,240 the Welsh prince of laughter, Wyn Calvin, 633 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,760 and he said, "Well, I'm only too happy to help, Ian. 634 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,400 "Now, look, if you're going to play dames, 635 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,280 "there are two things that are very important to remember. 636 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,920 "Number one... 637 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,880 "..warm your bra on the radiator." 638 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,600 [LAUGHTER] 639 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,880 "And two โ€• get your first entrance right. I'll tell you what I do. 640 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,280 "I'm running a laundry, as you know, in old Peking. 641 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,800 "And I just dashed out to do a little bit of shopping on my own down the market. 642 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,200 "Looking for bargains. And I'm on my way back home. 643 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,040 "Of course I've got my shopping bag with me, 644 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,240 "and I make my entrance from the prompt corner. 645 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,640 "And of course the audience sees me immediately, 646 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,120 "but I pretend that I don't see them. 647 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:57,920 "I pay them no heed. 648 00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,120 "And I get to the centre of the stage then I have a little stop in the middle. 649 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,320 "Then I go back the way I came. 650 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,960 "I still don't see them. 651 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:07,120 "And then I wait until I get to the middle of the stage, 652 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:08,400 "then I give a little trip, 653 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,960 "and I look down and then I look up. 654 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:12,560 "And then I see them." 655 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,480 Hello, boys and girls! 656 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,160 โ€• Hello! It's Twankey! โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hello! 657 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,400 Hello, darling! 658 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,480 Look here. Twankey โ€• that's my name. 659 00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:29,480 Well, yes, I've heard all the jokes, thank you very much. 660 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,080 Anyway, it's Mrs Twankey to you. 661 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,040 Well, no, actually, it's not, it's Widow Twankey. 662 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,960 AUDIENCE, HALF-HEARTEDLY: Awww! 663 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,480 Well, come on! 664 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,120 AUDIENCE, ENTHUSIASTICALLY: Awww! 665 00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:43,720 All right, don't go mad. 666 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,280 You never met my horrible ex-husband, 667 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,080 Donald J Twankey. 668 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,480 [APPLAUSE] 669 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,560 You know the kind, girls โ€• all hair and no wall. 670 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,320 Oh, would you shut up, you politico! 671 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,680 Got people trying to sleep down here. 672 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,080 Oh, I love your hair, madam. 673 00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,360 Did you come on a motorbike? 674 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,640 Hello, love. Give us a little wave. Go on. 675 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,040 Yeah. That's right. All the boys and girls, all the mums and dads, 676 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,320 wave to Twankey. Thank you. 677 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:31,440 And you lot up there. 678 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,200 โ™ช The boy I love is up in the gallery... โ™ช 679 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:34,520 Don't lean over, dear. 680 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,400 Don't want any accidents. If you give me a little wave, 681 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,280 I'll give you a little sweetie. 682 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,480 All right, go on. 683 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,880 Here you go. (LAUGHS) 684 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,840 Wooo! 685 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:50,960 All right, one for you. 686 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,320 One for you. 687 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,840 One for you. 688 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,480 And one for you. 689 00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,120 Go on! 690 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,160 (CHUCKLES) 691 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,000 [CHEERING] 692 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:10,720 Oh dear! 693 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,280 All right! 694 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,160 Oh dear! 695 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,240 No, it's always nice, isn't it, 696 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:20,880 to have something to suck? 697 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,200 Go on, darling, there you are! 698 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,600 AUDIENCE: Woo! 699 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,840 Anyone fancy a banana? 700 00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,000 Go on, you little monkey! 701 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,760 We'll have another go. Come on. 702 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,680 [AUDIENCE GASPS] 703 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,640 All right. 704 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,600 [LAUGHTER] 705 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,800 (MOUTHS) 706 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,080 Go on. Go on. 707 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,200 Come on. Come and get it. 708 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,440 [CHEERING] 709 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,720 And do be careful. 710 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,400 Is there an older gentleman who'd like a carrot? 711 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,480 Go on โ€• you stick that up your Brexit. 712 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,560 I've got to be on my way. 713 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:06,280 I'm expecting the repairman โ€• he's coming round to service my Hotpoint. 714 00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,320 All this chatting to you and I've got just a little behind. 715 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,760 [CHEERING AND WHISTLING] 716 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,000 All right. So in Churchgate, we've got the Theatre Royal 717 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:31,440 then there's a little alleyway. 718 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,840 Little alleyway here and then there's another theatre. 719 00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,840 Right next door. Also built by Frank Matcham. We had two. 720 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,600 The Grand Theatre. My favourite. 721 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,800 My favourite. 722 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:53,040 The Grand put on variety. Do you remember? 723 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,040 Variety? Every Monday new performers would arrive in town 724 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,160 and play twice nightly through the week. 725 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,800 Some of them quite famous. I'd heard them on the radio. 726 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,600 And in the Grand, you got performers 727 00:43:05,720 --> 00:43:08,320 you couldn't get on the radio, like dancers. 728 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,520 Like acrobats and magicians. 729 00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:22,320 Escapologists. I remember Alan Alan, The Man They Cannot Hang. 730 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,680 And luck. 731 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,640 The Grand was managed by... 732 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,000 ..James Bleakley. Alderman James Bleakley. 733 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,080 Very big in Bolton. He had been the mayor. 734 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,240 Alderman James Bleakley. 735 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,280 Tory, but nice. 736 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,080 And as luck would have it, he works on occasion in the town hall. 737 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,760 And so did my dad, and they got talking and Alderman Bleakley said, 738 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,480 "Oh, yes, that will be all right if young Ian 739 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,960 "wants to come down to the Grand one evening, 740 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:06,560 "see how it all works. 741 00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,960 "Maybe go backstage. Yeah. 742 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,360 "Well, not on a Monday. Let the turns get settled in. 743 00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,240 "Say Tuesday? Before first house. 744 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:19,480 "Six o'clock. Tell him to go down to Churchgate, down the little alleyway, 745 00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,360 "knock on t'stage door, say that I sent him." 746 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,440 And so... 747 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,360 Hello. It's Ian McKellen. 748 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,720 McKellen. 749 00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:33,200 Alderman Bleakley said that... Oh, thank you. 750 00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,000 "Go on, lad. Go down the stairs. 751 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,520 "Watch yourself โ€• they're a bit slippy. 752 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,320 "When you get to the bottom, you'll be on the stage." 753 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,000 Oh. 754 00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,440 I can see the wires. 755 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:05,480 The hempen ropes going up, up from the wings to the flies, 756 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,760 and they supported the cloths that went up and down between the performers 757 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,880 on the brightly lit stage here. 758 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,920 Here in the wings, we're in the dark. 759 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,480 It's a bit murky, bit musty, dusty, dirty. 760 00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:19,280 Bare boards. 761 00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:23,360 Nail sticking up, heads of old screws. 762 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,600 And in the corner, Alf โ€• he's the stage manager. 763 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:30,080 He gives the cues for the performers to go on stage. 764 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,120 And that's where I have to be, next to him. 765 00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:35,560 Oh, they start coming down from their dressing rooms. 766 00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,240 And, oh... 767 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:42,520 Dreadful dressing rooms โ€• cracked basins, broken mirrors. Hi-ho. 768 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,560 The glamorous life. 769 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,360 And, oh, they look marvellous, all done up for the stage in their feathers 770 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,600 and their hats and sequins and glitter. 771 00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,480 All got this strange orange makeup. 772 00:45:57,720 --> 00:46:00,120 Which always seemed to end just about there. 773 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:08,120 And they're bickering. I can hear them arguing, complaining. 774 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:09,920 What, is it the new digs? 775 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,880 Imagine new digs every Monday, every week, every month. 776 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,520 Not a good atmosphere backstage. 777 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:24,000 And then their music starts up in the orchestra pit. 778 00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,040 Joe Hill's Band. 779 00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:30,120 And Alf gets ready. 780 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,480 And gives the cue, 781 00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,960 and onto the stage they go. 782 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,640 Transformed. 783 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,520 By the glare of the lights and your attention, 784 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,960 and this reality in the wings... 785 00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,400 ..put to one side, forgotten for, what, just...seven minutes. 786 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,920 And a whole new reality created... 787 00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,240 And I felt at home... 788 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,920 ..with them. Because a theatre is a house, isn't it? 789 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,960 Playhouse, opera house. Main house, full house. 790 00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,520 And I did not want to go home. 791 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,280 Here I am, backstage for the first time, 792 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:19,560 wondering what it would actually feel like to be on stage myself. 793 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,560 And that's why I started acting. 794 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,320 Initially at school, Bolton School for Boys. 795 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,120 Lots of theatre going on there. 796 00:47:29,240 --> 00:47:32,520 We had our own miniature theatre. 797 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,160 50 family and friends could fit in to see us do our programme 798 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:40,440 of one-act plays every term, all the time I was at school. 799 00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,720 And then I graduated to the main event โ€• 800 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,240 the annual school play in the Great Hall. 801 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,480 That ran for six performances through the week. 802 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,320 Classics one year. 803 00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,360 Shakespeare, Henry V. 804 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,960 I played King Henry. 805 00:47:56,080 --> 00:48:00,000 And in front of us were these 1,100 chairs. 806 00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,320 Always rush bottoms that squeaked and creaked and... 807 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,080 Our first job as young actors was (PROJECTING) to pitch our voices... 808 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:11,120 over the sound of the chairs... 809 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:12,720 And I realised that acting, 810 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,760 acting is something that you have to learn, but that you can learn it. 811 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:21,480 And more than anything else in my young life... 812 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,200 ..I wanted to learn how to act because I was going to become an actor. 813 00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,960 Not a professional. No, I'm going to be an amateur. 814 00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,920 Amateur, like my sister Jean and... 815 00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,520 Like the masters at school, when they'd finished with us 816 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,720 would go off to do their amateur productions at the Bolton Little Theatre. 817 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,040 And when it came to leave school... 818 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,600 ..I was persuaded to try and follow Uncle Ken to his university. 819 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,160 So I took the entrance exams for Cambridge 820 00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:58,720 and I don't know by what lucky fluke 821 00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,680 I got in, and now there's just one obstacle left 822 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,080 between me and three years at Cambridge University 823 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,760 studying English literature. 824 00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:14,320 And so I went up to meet the man who would inadvertently settle my fate โ€• 825 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,880 Tom Henn at St Catharine's College in Cambridge. 826 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,760 Tom Henn was from County Sligo. 827 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,560 And... 828 00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:31,440 he'd written books on WB Yeats and William Shakespeare. 829 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,320 Had a very distinctive limp. 830 00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,400 He had been Brigadier Tom Henn during the war. 831 00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,200 I assumed this was a result of some distinguished war wound. 832 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:41,920 It turned out later 833 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,320 he'd fallen down his staircase drunk one night. 834 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,280 And I was sent up to his rooms in C Staircase at St Catharine's, 835 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,000 put down there on the padded stool. 836 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,120 (IRISH ACCENT) "Well, now, good afternoon to you, Mr... 837 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,800 "McKellen... McKellen? 838 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:06,240 "Well, now, that would be an Antrim name. 839 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,320 "Well, Mr McKellen, 840 00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:15,200 "it says here that you are...an actor. 841 00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,440 "Where have you acted? 842 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,360 "At school? 843 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,640 "Have you acted in any Shakespeare? 844 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,080 "Henry V? 845 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,760 "All right. Do me your speech." 846 00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,240 I'm not really thinking about it. 847 00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,120 I just jumped up onto the stool as if I was still in the Great Hall. 848 00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,440 And I let Tom Henn have it. 849 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,560 (BELLOWING) Once more unto the breach! 850 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:50,360 Cry God for Harry, England and St George! 851 00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,360 And he gave me a scholarship. 852 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,520 [APPLAUSE] 853 00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,160 One of my worst performances. 854 00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:08,880 And most successful auditions. 855 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,200 Now I'd arrived at my drama school โ€• 856 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,360 not that Cambridge had a drama faculty then โ€• 857 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:22,120 but it was full of people my age as crazy about the theatre as I was. 858 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,160 Some of them, like young Derek Jacobi and Clive Swift, 859 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,640 they were going to become professionals after graduation. 860 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,440 So was Miriam Margolyes, Peter Cook, David Frost and Trevor Nunn. 861 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,680 Not me. No, no, I'm still going to be an amateur. 862 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,920 And so three years of bliss, really. 21 undergraduate productions. 863 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:48,120 And then what? 864 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,320 I thought, what job can I possibly get 865 00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:58,560 which will allow me to go on acting at the rate at which I've been acting... 866 00:51:59,240 --> 00:52:00,600 ..at Cambridge? 867 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:03,760 Unless of course I actually become a professional. 868 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,400 I thought, who's going to take me seriously as a professional actor? 869 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,760 Then I thought, well, if Derek Jacobi can do it... 870 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,800 Sounds like a line out of Vicious. 871 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,480 No, Derek was streets ahead of me at Cambridge. 872 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,720 He's one of those people who just seems to leap out of the cradle 873 00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:27,560 fully formed as an actor. 874 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:32,360 And off he went to the prestigious Birmingham Rep. 875 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,240 And where was I gonna go? 876 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,360 Well, I couldn't go to Bolton. 877 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:44,960 They'd pulled down the Hippodrome and they pulled down the Theatre Royal. 878 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,840 And one dreadful afternoon during the long vacation, 879 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,960 I went to have a look at the Grand. 880 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,480 And the roof was off and I could see the benches... 881 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,920 ..in the gods open to the sky until they too were chucked out. 882 00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:08,560 And luck. 883 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,800 This theatre was beginning to change... 884 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,560 ..at that time, and change for the better. 885 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,840 The old weekly, commercial weekly reps, 886 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,080 they were on their way out. 887 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,680 They were being replaced by theatres that were subsidised 888 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,760 with the little bit of public money from local authorities 889 00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,560 or the Central Arts Council of Great Britain. 890 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,000 And in the Midlands, after the devastation of the war bombing... 891 00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,360 ..in Coventry, they'd just built their own theatre, 892 00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,840 the first civic theatre ever built in the country. 893 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:45,480 They called it the Belgrade Theatre. And there they did fortnightly rep. 894 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,200 Which meant they had two weeks rehearsal, which meant... 895 00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,480 ..which meant they were bound to be twice as good. 896 00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:56,800 And I applied and I was accepted. 897 00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:01,080 And so started my apprenticeship as a professional actor. 898 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,800 I have to confess... 899 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,760 ..that having just enjoyed sex for the first time at Cambridge, 900 00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,840 I wanted to go to the British theatre 901 00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,560 because I'd heard that it was possible to meet other queers there. 902 00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:19,560 And it is. 903 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,400 [LAUGHTER] 904 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,280 And so I signed up for a year at the Belgrade in Coventry. 905 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,040 Eight pounds ten shillings a week โ€• three guineas of that covered the cost of digs. 906 00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,200 And the contract said "play as cast", 907 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:42,120 which means you have to do any part that you're given, and that suited me. 908 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:44,840 Here's the first play than I did professionally. 909 00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,760 Of course it was a revival of Robert Bolt's A Man For All Seasons. 910 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,760 I played Roper, the son-in-law of the main character. 911 00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,400 Then we did Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing. 912 00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,680 I was cast as Claudio, which is a dreadful part. 913 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,600 Bernard Shaw, Plays Pleasant, 914 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:09,240 You Never Can Tell. I played one of the twins. 915 00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:13,840 Anton Chekhov, The Seagull. 916 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,080 Toad of Toad Hall. Chief weasel. 917 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,120 Yes, Charles Dickens, Pickwick Papers. Mr Snodgrass. 918 00:55:22,240 --> 00:55:25,360 There were 17 of these plays, two of them... 919 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:27,960 had been written especially for us โ€• they were world premieres. 920 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,960 That's the last play that we did โ€• Andre Obey, Noah. 921 00:55:31,720 --> 00:55:33,160 Oh, and that one. 922 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,000 The Bride Comes Back. 923 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,720 By Ronald Millar. It says here on the cover, 924 00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,400 rather optimistically, "a comedy". 925 00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:53,640 After he'd finished writing plays, 926 00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,280 Ronald Millar started to write political speeches, 927 00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,720 and he invented for Mrs Thatcher that famous quip, 928 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,120 "The lady's not for turning". 929 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:05,360 I wish there'd been a few jokes as good as that in the play. 930 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,880 And then of course we had to do an Agatha Christie. 931 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,160 And...yeah, here it is. 932 00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,240 Which play by Agatha Christie is that? 933 00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:21,560 [SCATTERED COMMENTS FROM AUDIENCE] 934 00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:28,360 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Black... 935 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:30,840 Black Coffee, did you say? 936 00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,680 [LAUGHTER] 937 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,080 Did you say Black Coffee? Yes. 938 00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:39,280 Have you ever seen it? 939 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,360 No? 940 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,160 Well, I've been in it. 941 00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,880 [LAUGHTER] 942 00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,720 Oh, let me tell you about Black Coffee. 943 00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,360 At the end of Act I of the play, 944 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,200 the master of the household comes down from supper, 945 00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,160 and he's sitting there surrounded by potential murderers and victims. 946 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,280 And I'm 22 years old, playing the ancient retainer, 947 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,000 who has to carry the fatal cup of black coffee over to him. 948 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,520 And I decide that my man's going to be old. 949 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,600 No, no, no, really, really old... like, 80. 950 00:57:15,720 --> 00:57:17,400 [LAUGHTER] 951 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,000 I put a pale Leichner base on and squeezed the end of my greasepaints 952 00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:31,160 to get a lake, and put lines and wrinkles, brown shading, 953 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,760 half a pound of self-raising flour on my head. 954 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:38,280 And across the stage I go, walking like 80-year-olds always do. 955 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,160 Look, I was doing this sort of thing long before Julie Walters. 956 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,720 And then the master of the household... 957 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,200 ..has the deathless line... 958 00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,880 "This coffee is very bitter." 959 00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,920 Gus is the cat from the theatre door. 960 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,240 His name, as I ought to have told you before, 961 00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,320 is really Aspara-gus, but that's such a fuss to pronounce 962 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,400 that they usually call him just Gus. 963 00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,760 His coat's very shabby. 964 00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,920 He's thin as a rake. He suffers from palsy... 965 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,480 ..which makes his paw shake. 966 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:47,160 Yet he was in his youth quite the smartest of cats, 967 00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,960 though no longer a terror to mice or rats, 968 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,640 for he isn't the cat that he was in his prime. 969 00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,480 Though his name was quite famous, he says, in his time. 970 00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,880 And whenever he joins his friends at their club, 971 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,680 which takes place at the back of a neighbouring pub, 972 00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:07,480 he loves to regale them, if someone else pays, 973 00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:13,120 โ™ช With anecdotes drawn from his palmiest of days 974 00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,920 โ™ช For he once was a star 975 00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:17,360 โ™ช Of the highest degree 976 00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,280 โ™ช He has acted with Irving 977 00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,960 โ™ช He has acted with Treeโ™ช 978 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,560 And he loves to recall his success on the Halls, 979 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,120 when the gallery once gave him seven calls. 980 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:34,000 But his grandest creation 981 00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:35,800 As he loves to tell 982 00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:39,760 Was Firefrorefiddle 983 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,240 The Fiend of the Fell. 984 00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,200 He has played, so he says, every possible part 985 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:52,000 and I used to know 70 speeches by heart. 986 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,760 I'd extemporise backchat. 987 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:56,800 Meow! Me-ooow! 988 00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,040 I knew how to gag. 989 01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:03,680 And I knew how to let the cat out of the bag. 990 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,640 I have sat by the bedside of poor Little Nell 991 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,400 When the curfew was rung, then I swung on the bell. 992 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,200 In the pantomime season I never fell flat, 993 01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:18,400 And I once understudied 994 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,640 Dick Whittington's Cat. 995 01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,440 But my grandest creation, as he loves to tell 996 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,440 Was Firefrorefiddle... 997 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,320 The Fiend of the Fell. 998 01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,000 Then if someone will give him a toothful of gin 999 01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:39,840 He will tell how he once played a part in East Lynne 1000 01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:43,040 In a Shakespeare performance he once came on pat 1001 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,520 When some actor suggested the need for a cat 1002 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:51,040 And he says, now these kittens, they do not get trained 1003 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:55,480 As we did in the days when Victoria reigned 1004 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:58,160 They do not get drilled in a regular troupe 1005 01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,440 And they think it is smart just to jump through a hoop 1006 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,840 And he says, as he scratches himself with his claws 1007 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:11,840 Well, the theatre is certainly not what it was. 1008 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,720 These modern productions are all very well 1009 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,160 But nothing can equal, from what I hear tell 1010 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:22,720 That moment of mystery 1011 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,960 When I made history 1012 01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:29,880 As Firefrorefiddle 1013 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:37,440 โ™ช The Fiend of the Fell. โ™ช 1014 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,000 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 1015 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,640 Thank you very much! 1016 01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,040 Words by TS Eliot, 1017 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,480 and a little bit of the music by AL Webber. 1018 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:07,520 And in the film, 1019 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:11,960 Cats The Musical, I got to play Gus. 1020 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,880 And do you remember who was Old Deuteronomy? 1021 01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:19,840 โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Judi Dench. โ€• Yes, young Judi Dench. 1022 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,480 Oh, I loved seeing her all curled up in her cat basket. 1023 01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:29,240 Judi and I have worked together on many happy occasions. 1024 01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,880 Never more so than when we've been in the company together, 1025 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,960 because like me, she started off in rep. 1026 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,800 And after the Belgrade in Coventry, I moved a little bit further north 1027 01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:46,680 to the New Playhouse in Nottingham. 1028 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:51,520 And we opened it up. Another new civic theatre. 1029 01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,120 Oh, and the excitement of the first night. There were flowers and... 1030 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,160 ..and telegrams. One of them in particular 1031 01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,600 was stuck up on the noticeboard in the green room for the actors. 1032 01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,560 It's a telegram from London from the National Theatre of Great Britain, 1033 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,280 and it was signed, Laurence Olivier. 1034 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:14,960 I wish I'd stolen it. 1035 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:21,080 Olivier was running his new National Theatre, 1036 01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:26,560 not in specially built premises like we had in Coventry and Nottingham. 1037 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,240 No, he was in the old Old Vic. 1038 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:36,760 But his planning was based on the experience of the regional reps. 1039 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,960 He kept together a company of actors, 1040 01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:43,200 oh, for months, years, doing a changing repertoire of plays. 1041 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,360 And in the company from the word go was young Maggie Smith. 1042 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:51,400 And here's a bit of luck. Maggie came to see her friend, 1043 01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,080 the English film star Phyllis Calvert, in a new play 1044 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,800 at the Duke of York's Theatre here in London, 1045 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,800 and I was in the cast. 1046 01:03:59,920 --> 01:04:04,000 It was the first play I'd ever done as a professional in London. 1047 01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,680 And Maggie went back to Sir Laurence... 1048 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:10,440 ..and... 1049 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:15,320 ..I got the call โ€• would I come and join the National Theatre? 1050 01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,320 Because Sir Laurence was putting together a new production of Much Ado About Nothing 1051 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,480 and he invited me to come and play the part of Claudio. 1052 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,200 [LAUGHTER] 1053 01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:32,600 Well, of course, I was not going to say to no. 1054 01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,720 No, Much Ado was to be directed by the... 1055 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:41,200 ..wonderful opera and film director Franco Zeffirelli. 1056 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,720 And Maggie was to be Beatrice 1057 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,880 and her then husband, Robert Stephens, Benedick. 1058 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,280 And I had joined the most prestigious rep company in the country, 1059 01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,200 if not the world. 1060 01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,680 Oh, there was just one thing. 1061 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:05,240 Listen to who else was in that company at the same time. 1062 01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,440 Now, look, these are just actors of my gender and my generation. 1063 01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,560 Robert Stephens. Derek Jacobi, fresh from Birmingham. 1064 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,240 Anthony Hopkins, Michael Gambon, 1065 01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,160 Jeremy Brett, 1066 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,440 Colin Blakey, Edward Petherbridge, Edward Hardwicke, Ronald Pickup, 1067 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,560 Michael Burke, Michael York, Frank Finlay. 1068 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:29,640 And the most famous and glamorous young acts of the time, 1069 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,680 Albert Finney. 1070 01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,360 We were all... 1071 01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:36,880 ..in the company at the same time. 1072 01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,600 And you know, today the National Theatre of Great Britain 1073 01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,840 doesn't have an acting company. 1074 01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,440 Nor does any other theatre in the country. 1075 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:50,280 With one exception, and we went to visit them on the tour in Scotland. 1076 01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,720 There we are โ€• Dundee Rep. 1077 01:05:54,960 --> 01:06:00,440 The one theatre in the country that still has the old system. 1078 01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,480 And I thought, if I'm going to have to stand in line 1079 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,840 behind that queue of talent, 1080 01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,120 I'm never going to get anywhere at the National Theatre, so... 1081 01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,200 I handed in my notice after only nine months. 1082 01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,600 And Sir Laurence was not best pleased. 1083 01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,480 You know he had a rather flowery turn of phrase. 1084 01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,760 And he said, "I am haunted... 1085 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:31,720 "..by the spectre of lost opportunity." 1086 01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,040 Well, he needn't have worried too much. 1087 01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,560 I fell in with a touring troupe of players, Prospect, 1088 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,720 who did the classics, mainly, around the country and... 1089 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,040 ..they were doing a play by Christopher Marlowe, 1090 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,520 an exact contemporary of Shakespeare's. 1091 01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,320 And his play, King Edward II, 1092 01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,640 which I think is the first play ever in the English language 1093 01:06:56,760 --> 01:07:02,280 to have a gay hero at the centre, and they asked me to play King Edward. 1094 01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:05,200 And all was well and off we went. 1095 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:11,600 Until we reach the Edinburgh International Festival, 1096 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,600 where we found ourselves doing the first gay play ever written 1097 01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:19,560 on the temporary stage of the Assembly Hall of the Church of Scotland. 1098 01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:25,960 And, uh... 1099 01:07:27,120 --> 01:07:30,920 To the first night came a local councillor, Councillor John Kidd, 1100 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:35,200 and he was (SCOTTISH ACCENT) appalled at the sight of two actors โ€• 1101 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,120 that would be Jimmy Laurenson and me โ€• 1102 01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:38,400 kissing! 1103 01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,880 He complained to the local Watch Committee. 1104 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,600 He was determined he was going to close down our production. 1105 01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:46,600 And so they sent to the second performance, 1106 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,360 to judge whether we would be allowed to continue or not, 1107 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:51,560 two policemen, 1108 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,880 who sat on the front row in full uniform. 1109 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,240 And...they seemed to enjoy it. 1110 01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:07,080 And...they stayed right through to the end and they started the standing ovation. 1111 01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:10,640 And that was the last that we heard of that. 1112 01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,400 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 1113 01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,600 Mind you, because of all the fuss he'd caused, 1114 01:08:19,719 --> 01:08:22,280 we sold every single ticket. 1115 01:08:26,559 --> 01:08:28,280 John Kidd. 1116 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,280 (SIGHS) 1117 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,559 A man of his time, of course. 1118 01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,559 And the time was 1969, 1119 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:40,479 when it was still illegal for two men to make love in Scotland. 1120 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:46,960 And my boyfriend Brian and I broke the law most nights. 1121 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,639 Brian was a history teacher at a secondary modern school 1122 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,319 here in London, in Shepherd's Bush, and we lived close by. We had... 1123 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:00,559 ..gay friends and straight friends. We always went out together as a couple, 1124 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:02,479 but of course, we'd never show 1125 01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:06,960 any affection towards each other in public. That would have been dangerous. 1126 01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:12,000 Had anyone discovered that Brian was gay, he could have been sacked as a teacher. 1127 01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:15,000 Not me โ€• I'm fine as an actor โ€• but I'm so busy enjoying myself, 1128 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:19,399 I don't really notice that the law is discriminating against me. 1129 01:09:21,719 --> 01:09:24,360 And I don't speak publicly about being gay. 1130 01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:29,120 I'm what the Americans would call...I was in the closet. 1131 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,440 And the closet is not a glamorous place to be. 1132 01:09:33,559 --> 01:09:36,040 We would say I was living in a cupboard, 1133 01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:40,040 and you cannot live in a cupboard, unless of course, you're a skeleton. 1134 01:09:42,559 --> 01:09:44,639 And this went on. 1135 01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:51,120 Even when I was doing a world premiere at the Royal Court Theatre. 1136 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:55,080 Martin Sherman's sensational Bent, 1137 01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:59,840 which educated the world on the ill-treatment of gay people... 1138 01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,520 ..in the labour camps of the Third Reich under Adolf Hitler. 1139 01:10:04,639 --> 01:10:07,639 I remember saying to a journalist at the time, "Oh, Bent... 1140 01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:12,960 "It's not a play about gay rights. No, it's a play about human rights." 1141 01:10:14,559 --> 01:10:16,559 As if there were a difference. 1142 01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,280 I couldn't quite bring myself to be honest. 1143 01:10:23,559 --> 01:10:25,360 And then I woke up. 1144 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,120 The government was introducing a nasty, short brutish law 1145 01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:32,840 called Section 28. 1146 01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,080 If you don't know what that is, Google it. You won't believe it. 1147 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,120 Section 28... 1148 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,320 ..would make it illegal for any teacher in a state-maintained school 1149 01:10:43,440 --> 01:10:47,639 to say anything positive about homosexuality in the classroom. 1150 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,680 Keep the kids in the dark. 1151 01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,600 Lie if necessary. 1152 01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:55,600 Do not prepare them for the world outside. 1153 01:10:55,719 --> 01:10:56,960 And I took this personally. 1154 01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:02,080 And did I get angry. I went on the marches and I... 1155 01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,480 ..signed petitions, wrote letters, banged on doors. 1156 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,719 And I debated the issue on radio 1157 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:10,200 with a man who thought Section 28 was a jolly good idea. 1158 01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:14,800 He was the editor of the Sunday Telegraph, Peregrine Worsthorne. 1159 01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:16,480 And... 1160 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,520 ..he said to me in the course of our discussion, 1161 01:11:18,639 --> 01:11:20,719 "Do you know, McKellen, these queers, 1162 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,639 "they congregate in the West End of London. 1163 01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,080 "In their own private clubs." 1164 01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:34,080 And I said, "Oh, do you mean like the Garrick Club?" 1165 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:38,080 Which is an ultra-respectable gentlemen's club 1166 01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,960 that I knew Peregrine Worsthorne was a member of. 1167 01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:45,280 I said, "Look, we can stop talking about "them". 1168 01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,240 "You're talking about me. I'm gay." 1169 01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:50,760 And that was it. 1170 01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,520 I was out. 1171 01:11:52,639 --> 01:11:54,240 And the weight... 1172 01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,000 ..that fell... 1173 01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,559 I hadn't known it was there. 1174 01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,880 And like everybody else who comes out, 1175 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,840 I joined the human race. 1176 01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,680 And this broadcast was going to go out just two days later. 1177 01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,639 Which meant that I'd just got two days to nip up to the Lake District 1178 01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:19,080 to have a long a...long overdue chat with my 80-year-old stepmother Gladys. 1179 01:12:23,559 --> 01:12:26,639 Gladys was five feet one inches tall. 1180 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,639 She was from Birkenhead. She'd done her early theatre-going in Liverpool 1181 01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:35,040 at the Royal Court and the Playhouse. 1182 01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:39,040 So we had that in common. And we both liked dogs. 1183 01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,440 She was a Quaker. Good woman. 1184 01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:46,600 And the day... Oh, it was just... 1185 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,400 ..blue...blue. 1186 01:12:51,240 --> 01:12:55,760 And I drove Gladys out to my favourite spot, the Langdale Pikes. 1187 01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,880 Stopped the car, wound down the windows. 1188 01:12:58,440 --> 01:13:01,840 And we could hear the birds tweeting and the Herdwick sheep bleating. 1189 01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,240 "Look, Gladys, there's something that I want to... 1190 01:13:05,360 --> 01:13:08,040 "that I ought to have... that I've always been meaning to... 1191 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:14,120 "You know I've just been to San Francisco? 1192 01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:17,200 "Yeah, well... 1193 01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,000 "I met there Armistead Maupin. You know, the man who wrote 1194 01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,000 "Tales of the City that you like so much. 1195 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:26,200 "Well, it turns out Armistead Maupin lives with his partner, 1196 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:32,320 "who is a man. Turns out that Armistead Maupin is actually gay. 1197 01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:34,200 "And..." 1198 01:13:36,440 --> 01:13:37,520 And I'm... 1199 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,200 ..stammering and sweating. I'm 47 years old 1200 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,600 and I can't tell the woman I love most in the world. 1201 01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:47,960 And eventually I just blurt it out. 1202 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,440 "Gladys, I'm trying to tell you I'm gay." 1203 01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:54,440 And she said, "Oh, Ian! 1204 01:13:54,559 --> 01:13:56,240 "I thought you were going to tell me something really dreadful. 1205 01:13:56,360 --> 01:13:58,120 "I've known that for 35 years." 1206 01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,800 [LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE] 1207 01:14:07,639 --> 01:14:10,719 Well, you know, 35 wasted years, but except from that moment, 1208 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,360 Gladys and Ian... 1209 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,920 ..best pals. And, wasn't I lucky, she went on for another 20 years. 1210 01:14:18,440 --> 01:14:21,880 She was over 100, and I got to take her to Buckingham Palace. 1211 01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:29,920 Have you ever been? 1212 01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:31,240 [LAUGHTER] 1213 01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:35,080 No? Oh, well, once inside Buckingham Palace, 1214 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:40,600 you'll find that everything is designed to, if not intimidate, to impress. 1215 01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:45,440 And to my big day, I took Gladys and my sister. 1216 01:14:45,559 --> 01:14:48,360 And they were shunted off somewhere quite early on, 1217 01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,760 I suppose to await my arrival in the Throne Room. 1218 01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:54,160 And I was left facing... 1219 01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:59,200 ..the ceremonial staircase that overlooks the courtyard there in the Palace, 1220 01:14:59,320 --> 01:15:01,719 and at the end of each step, each tread, 1221 01:15:01,840 --> 01:15:06,520 there was a young soldier with a silver breastplate and white leather trousers. 1222 01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:12,840 [LAUGHTER] 1223 01:15:21,639 --> 01:15:22,800 (GROANS) 1224 01:15:27,559 --> 01:15:30,719 And we were shown into this long room. 1225 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,639 It was oblong. It was more like a gallery. 1226 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,639 An art gallery, really. There were Titians on the wall. 1227 01:15:39,480 --> 01:15:41,680 Van Dijks, Reynoldses. 1228 01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,400 And at the centre of the hall, 1229 01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,440 there was a great crowd of very distinguished-looking ladies and gentlemen 1230 01:15:47,559 --> 01:15:50,719 who'd travelled across the world to meet the Queen and get their medal. 1231 01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:53,840 All done up in their Sunday best. And at this end of the hall, same thing โ€• 1232 01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,840 another crowd of people. And in between, there was just enough room... 1233 01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:59,240 I think he was the Lord Chamberlain. ..to slip through 1234 01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,360 and try and put us all at our ease. 1235 01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:05,520 "So now, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Buckingham Palace. 1236 01:16:05,639 --> 01:16:10,600 "I'm sure some of you are a little bit apprehensive about today's proceedings. 1237 01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:14,800 "But let me reassure you, absolutely nothing can go wrong. 1238 01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,000 "Because we here at Buckingham Palace 1239 01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:23,080 "have done this sort of thing many, many times before. 1240 01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,360 "However, there's one thing I do want you to remember, 1241 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:29,200 "because it's absolutely vitally important. 1242 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,320 "At the moment at which you greet Her Majesty..." 1243 01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:35,280 (INDISTINCT SPEECH) 1244 01:16:36,680 --> 01:16:38,280 [LAUGHTER] 1245 01:16:46,719 --> 01:16:49,160 "So if we can all remember that." 1246 01:16:57,680 --> 01:16:58,760 Panic! 1247 01:16:58,880 --> 01:17:02,440 And then we were led in single file along the corridors 1248 01:17:02,559 --> 01:17:05,400 lined with Ming vases, more classical painters... 1249 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,120 In the distance, I can hear... 1250 01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:10,559 I suppose it's the Coldstream Guards playing the National Anthem. 1251 01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,719 That must mean she's arrived in the Throne Room. 1252 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,719 And then through the archway we go, and then, oh, my God! 1253 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,280 Oh, here we are. Oh, look. Oh, my goodness. 1254 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,160 Oh, look, that's where I'm going to have to kneel. 1255 01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,000 Oh, there she is. 1256 01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,480 In lime green. 1257 01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:32,840 [LAUGHTER] 1258 01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,400 And I stood to one side, waiting for my name to be called. 1259 01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:51,880 Do you know who was standing next to me waiting for his knighthood? 1260 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:53,520 Peregrine Worsthorne. 1261 01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:58,800 It's called balance. 1262 01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,080 And then I heard... 1263 01:18:02,200 --> 01:18:05,280 "Mr Yawn McKellen..." 1264 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,520 And I'm so impressed by the whole proceedings, 1265 01:18:09,639 --> 01:18:12,719 particularly being face-to-face with the Queen, I thought to myself, 1266 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:16,080 good God, I've been mispronouncing my own name all these years. 1267 01:18:28,240 --> 01:18:29,639 All right. 1268 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:35,120 To end this half, a poem about getting old. 1269 01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:38,840 Written I think by my favourite poet. 1270 01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:45,280 He happens to be gay. He was a Jesuit priest and teacher. 1271 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:50,240 And he slapped the words on the page like oils on the canvas 1272 01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,960 so they all mixed up together in an almost incomprehensible way. 1273 01:18:54,080 --> 01:18:56,840 Bit like looking at a Van Gogh painting up close. 1274 01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:00,360 Gerard Manley Hopkins. 1275 01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,920 And, like his hero Shakespeare, 1276 01:19:03,040 --> 01:19:07,320 he wanted to write a play, and he started one, which he couldn't finish. 1277 01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:13,760 And in the play, there's a chorus who speak The Leaden Echo. 1278 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:18,880 In which they bemoan the fact that they're getting older and they don't like it. 1279 01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:21,120 And... 1280 01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,320 Then the whole thing spins on a pun. 1281 01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,000 And we get the response from The Golden Echo. 1282 01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:32,200 In which it says, look, if you want to hold on to your youth and your beauty, 1283 01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:33,880 you best give them away. 1284 01:19:34,880 --> 01:19:38,920 And Hopkins wrote, "Take breath and read it with ears. 1285 01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:46,440 "As I always wish to be read, and my verse becomes all right." 1286 01:19:46,559 --> 01:19:47,960 I hope you agree. 1287 01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:55,400 How to keep... 1288 01:19:56,280 --> 01:19:57,280 Is there any 1289 01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,559 Any 1290 01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:05,160 Is there nowhere known, some bow or brooch 1291 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,520 Or braid or brace 1292 01:20:07,639 --> 01:20:10,320 Lace, latch or catch or key 1293 01:20:10,440 --> 01:20:12,160 To keep back beauty 1294 01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,920 Keep it, beauty, beauty, beauty 1295 01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,680 From vanishing away? 1296 01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:20,920 O is there no frowning of these wrinkles Rankรฉd wrinkles deep down? 1297 01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,360 No waving off of these most mournful messengers, still messengers, 1298 01:20:24,480 --> 01:20:26,800 Sad and stealing messengers of grey? 1299 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,080 O there's none, no, no, there's none Nor can you long be 1300 01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,000 What you now are, called fair 1301 01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:33,920 Do what you may do, what 1302 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,080 Do what you may 1303 01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:37,719 And wisdom is early to despair 1304 01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:43,400 So be beginning, since now nothing can be done to keep at bay age. 1305 01:20:44,160 --> 01:20:46,880 And age's evils, hoar hair 1306 01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,200 Ruck and wrinkle, drooping, dying 1307 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:53,960 Death's worst, winding sheets, tombs and worms 1308 01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:55,960 And tumbling to decay 1309 01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,680 So be beginning to despair 1310 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,440 O there's none; no, no, no, there's none 1311 01:21:02,559 --> 01:21:04,760 Be beginning to despair 1312 01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:06,360 To despair 1313 01:21:06,480 --> 01:21:10,840 Despair, despair, despair, despair 1314 01:21:13,559 --> 01:21:14,559 Spare! 1315 01:21:15,360 --> 01:21:16,520 There is one 1316 01:21:16,639 --> 01:21:19,160 Yes, I have one 1317 01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:20,280 Hush there! 1318 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,559 Only not within seeing of the sun 1319 01:21:22,680 --> 01:21:24,960 Not within the singeing of the strong sun 1320 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,520 Tall sun's tingeing, or treacherous the tainting of the earth's air 1321 01:21:28,639 --> 01:21:31,120 Somewhere, elsewhere there is Ah well where! 1322 01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:33,000 One 1323 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:34,120 One 1324 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:36,600 Yes, I can tell such a key 1325 01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:38,840 I do know such a place 1326 01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:42,240 Where whatever's prized and passes of us 1327 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,360 Everything that's fresh and fast flying of us 1328 01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:47,160 Seems to us sweet of us 1329 01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:50,160 And swiftly away with, done away with, undone 1330 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:51,480 Sone with, soon done with 1331 01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,120 And yet dearly and dangerously sweet of us 1332 01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:59,160 The wimpled-water-dimpled, not-by-morning-matchรจd face 1333 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,960 The flower of beauty, fleece of beauty 1334 01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,320 Too, too apt to, ah! to fleet 1335 01:22:05,440 --> 01:22:08,320 Never fleets more 1336 01:22:08,440 --> 01:22:11,000 Fastened with the tenderest truth 1337 01:22:11,120 --> 01:22:14,680 To its own best being To its loveliness of youth 1338 01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,320 It is an ever-lastingness of O it is 1339 01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:22,120 An all youth! 1340 01:22:22,240 --> 01:22:25,000 Come then, your ways and airs and looks 1341 01:22:25,120 --> 01:22:29,080 Locks, maiden gear, gallantry and gaiety and grace 1342 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:33,400 Winning ways, airs innocent, sweet looks, loose locks 1343 01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:36,880 Long locks, lovelocks, gaygear, going gallant, girlgrace 1344 01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:38,320 Resign them 1345 01:22:38,440 --> 01:22:41,480 Sign them, seal them, send them, motion them with breath 1346 01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:45,440 And with sighs soaring, soaring sighs deliver them 1347 01:22:45,559 --> 01:22:47,000 Early now, long before death 1348 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:51,639 Give beauty back, beauty, beauty, beauty, back 1349 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:53,639 To God 1350 01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,120 Beauty's self 1351 01:22:58,639 --> 01:22:59,840 And beauty's giver 1352 01:23:01,559 --> 01:23:03,760 See; not a hair is, not an eyelash 1353 01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:07,280 Not the least lash lost 1354 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:10,880 Every hair is, hair of the head, numbered 1355 01:23:11,639 --> 01:23:13,639 O weary then why should we tread? 1356 01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:17,520 O why are we so haggard at the heart 1357 01:23:17,639 --> 01:23:20,120 So care-coiled, care-killed 1358 01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,400 So fagged, so fashed, so cogged, so cumbered 1359 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:27,200 When the thing we freely forfeit is kept with fonder a care 1360 01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:28,920 Fonder a care kept than we could have kept it 1361 01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:30,920 Kept, ah, with fonder a care 1362 01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,440 And we, we should have lost it 1363 01:23:32,559 --> 01:23:34,680 Finer, fonder a care kept. 1364 01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:35,880 Where kept? 1365 01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,920 Do but tell us where kept? 1366 01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:39,280 Yonder 1367 01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,000 What high as that? 1368 01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:42,719 We follow, we follow 1369 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,360 Yonder, yes yonder 1370 01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:47,800 Yonder, yonder, yonder. 1371 01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,080 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 1372 01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,800 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 1373 01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:16,559 All the world's a stage 1374 01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,559 And all the men and women merely.... 1375 01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:20,920 AUDIENCE Players. 1376 01:24:21,040 --> 01:24:22,800 They have their exits and their entrances. 1377 01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:24,440 And one man 1378 01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,360 in his time plays many parts, 1379 01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:31,040 his acts being seven ages. 1380 01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:32,920 First the infant... 1381 01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:35,080 ..mewling... 1382 01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,360 ..and puking in the nurse's arms. 1383 01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:41,200 And then the whining schoolboy 1384 01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:43,600 with his satchel and shining morning face, 1385 01:24:43,719 --> 01:24:46,400 creeping like snail unwillingly to school. 1386 01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:51,160 Then the lover, sighing like furnace, 1387 01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:55,480 with a woeful ballad made to his mistress' eyebrow. 1388 01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:59,000 Then, the soldier, full of strange oaths... 1389 01:24:59,880 --> 01:25:01,480 ..and bearded like the pard, 1390 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,559 jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel, 1391 01:25:04,680 --> 01:25:09,320 seeking the bubble reputation even in the cannon's mouth. 1392 01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:11,240 Then the justice, 1393 01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:14,639 in fair round belly with a good capon lined, 1394 01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:18,360 with eyes severe and beard of formal cut, 1395 01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:21,480 full of wise saws and modern instances. 1396 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:24,120 And so he plays his part. 1397 01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:29,920 The sixth age shifts into the lean and slippered pantaloon, 1398 01:25:30,040 --> 01:25:33,840 with spectacles on nose and pouch on side. 1399 01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:38,200 His youthful hose well saved, a world too wide... 1400 01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:42,880 For his shrunk shank, and his big manly voice, 1401 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,800 turning again toward childish treble, 1402 01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:54,240 pipes and whistles in his sound. 1403 01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,080 Last scene of all, that ends this strange eventful history, 1404 01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,280 is second childishness... 1405 01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,440 ..and mere oblivion, sans eyes, 1406 01:26:04,559 --> 01:26:06,120 sans teeth... 1407 01:26:06,719 --> 01:26:08,360 ..sans taste... 1408 01:26:10,000 --> 01:26:11,920 ..sans everything. 1409 01:26:14,440 --> 01:26:20,480 The melancholy words of Jaques from Act II, Scene vii of As You Like It, 1410 01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,280 a play by William Shakespeare which I've never been in. 1411 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,400 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 1412 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:36,320 I've got into the habit of going to the stage door during the interval 1413 01:26:36,440 --> 01:26:39,920 to get a bit of fresh air, and I was doing that in East Anglia, 1414 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,440 when we were at the Wolsey Theatre in Ipswich, 1415 01:26:42,559 --> 01:26:43,719 and I'm just standing there and the girl... 1416 01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,320 I think she was delivering pizzas or something. 1417 01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:48,120 And she caught sight of me and said, 1418 01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:50,040 "Oh, I know you. 1419 01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:52,960 "You're from Harry Potter!" 1420 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,840 I said, "I'm sorry, love, you've got the wrong wizard. I pay the real wizard." 1421 01:27:09,639 --> 01:27:12,360 Of course she thought she'd seen Michael Gambon. 1422 01:27:12,480 --> 01:27:15,840 I did once ask Mike if he ever got mistaken for me. 1423 01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:18,360 "Oh, yes," he said, 1424 01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:19,719 "the whole time, they bring me 1425 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,639 "their wretched eight-by-ten photographs of Gandalf." 1426 01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:24,880 I said, "What do you do?" 1427 01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:26,400 He said, "Oh, I just sign your name." 1428 01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,680 [LAUGHTER] 1429 01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:37,200 Well, I just hope he spells it correctly. 1430 01:27:37,320 --> 01:27:39,120 So there we are. That's As You Like It. 1431 01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:45,120 That's one of 37 plays which Shakespeare wrote. And guess what? In here... 1432 01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:46,960 I've got the other 36. 1433 01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:49,040 So... 1434 01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,280 There we are. Those are the... 1435 01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,280 ..the Roman plays โ€• plays that are set in Italy. 1436 01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:58,960 I think there's one of them set in Greece as well. 1437 01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:02,559 Then we've got the four last plays that he wrote โ€• the late plays. 1438 01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,240 The two so-called "problem plays". 1439 01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:08,080 Look at all those tragedies. 1440 01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:09,719 No, no, comedies, rather, he wrote. 1441 01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,040 These are the tragedies โ€• just five of those. 1442 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:13,440 All right. 1443 01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:18,160 All the rest, they're all plays set in the past โ€• history plays. 1444 01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:20,280 All right. 1445 01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:21,480 So... 1446 01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:24,719 Here's a challenge. Do you suppose collectively 1447 01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,240 you can remember all the titles of Shakespeare's plays? 1448 01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,000 Yes! 1449 01:28:32,719 --> 01:28:34,600 Iljama, where are you? 1450 01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:37,960 Could you name me a play by Shakespeare? 1451 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,080 ILJAMA: Macbeth! 1452 01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:41,920 AUDIENCE: Ooh! 1453 01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,960 [APPLAUSE] 1454 01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,880 Well done. No, that's a play by Shakespeare, 1455 01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,040 and a very good one too, and a lucky play for me. 1456 01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:00,360 But for a lot of actors, it's thought not to be. 1457 01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:03,400 It's a play so unlucky that we won't say the title. 1458 01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:05,320 Do you know what I'm referring to? 1459 01:29:05,440 --> 01:29:06,880 AUDIENCE: The Scottish Play. 1460 01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,320 The Scottish play. Thank you. 1461 01:29:08,440 --> 01:29:09,920 Yes, that's what we call it. 1462 01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:13,760 And we will not mention the title backstage or quote it. 1463 01:29:13,880 --> 01:29:15,200 Oh, all hell breaks loose. 1464 01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:16,760 Why is it... 1465 01:29:17,559 --> 01:29:21,800 ..so unlucky? Well, it's nothing to do with the supernatural, I think. 1466 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,240 It's because โ€• could be โ€• 1467 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:29,800 the play is perhaps the most popular play he wrote with audiences. 1468 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:31,800 It's short. 1469 01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:35,280 And... 1470 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:39,800 ..it's a thriller, and whenever you put The Scottish Play on, 1471 01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:41,600 an audience always turns up to see it. 1472 01:29:41,719 --> 01:29:43,000 So that may be the origin 1473 01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:46,160 why professional actors will not even say the title, 1474 01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,760 because in the old days, when the actors were touring around 1475 01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:50,440 with a bundle of Shakespeare in their repertoire 1476 01:29:50,559 --> 01:29:52,680 and they heard that the management were thinking of slipping in 1477 01:29:52,800 --> 01:29:57,080 a couple of extra performances of this play, ever popular, 1478 01:29:57,200 --> 01:29:59,960 it probably meant that there wasn't enough money in the kitty 1479 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:01,639 to pay the actors at the end of the week. 1480 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:05,360 So don't even mention the title. 1481 01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:07,400 Maybe. 1482 01:30:08,160 --> 01:30:09,400 And... 1483 01:30:10,440 --> 01:30:13,320 You'll like this. When we were in... 1484 01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,040 ..North Wales โ€• Mold, Theatr Clwyd โ€• 1485 01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:19,240 in the audience was Royd Tolkien... 1486 01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:22,200 ..the great-grandson. 1487 01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,240 And afterwards, he... 1488 01:30:25,559 --> 01:30:29,559 ..said, "Ian, this was my great-grandad's copy of Macbeth. 1489 01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:31,160 "I'd like you to have it." 1490 01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:33,000 There we are. 1491 01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:34,680 So... 1492 01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:39,400 OK, up there in the balcony, a play by Shakespeare? 1493 01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:41,639 AUDIENCE MEMBER: Cymbeline. 1494 01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,400 Cymbeline, OK. 1495 01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:47,559 Well, we all know Cymbeline. 1496 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,360 [LAUGHTER] 1497 01:30:52,880 --> 01:30:57,120 You wait. You know it better than you realise. 1498 01:30:57,240 --> 01:30:59,639 In the play, you know, the two brothers... 1499 01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:05,480 ..discover their best friend has died and they weave a quilt of words, 1500 01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,480 which we often use today. 1501 01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:12,480 So, now for Gladys and my parents and sister Jean... 1502 01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:18,400 ..and recently for good friends Tim Pigott-Smith, John Hurt, 1503 01:31:18,520 --> 01:31:20,639 Alan Rickman, Stan Lee, 1504 01:31:20,760 --> 01:31:27,440 who wrote X-Men, Gillian Lynne... who choreographed the original Cats... 1505 01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:31,160 ..Peter Hall, Clive Swift... 1506 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:35,400 ..Freddie Jones, Stephen Moore... 1507 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:39,520 ..Frank Finlay, and now, Albert Finney... 1508 01:31:39,639 --> 01:31:43,000 Fear no more the heat of the sun. 1509 01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,160 Nor the furious winter's rages; 1510 01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:49,120 Thou thy worldly task hast done, 1511 01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:51,760 Home art gone, and ta'en thy wages: 1512 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:54,920 Golden lads and girls all must, 1513 01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:58,960 As chimney-sweepers, come to dust. 1514 01:31:59,080 --> 01:32:01,280 Fear no more the frown o' the great; 1515 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:03,440 Thou art past the tyrantโ€™s stroke; 1516 01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,559 Care no more to clothe and eat; 1517 01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:09,480 To thee the reed is as the oak: 1518 01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,000 The sceptre, learning, physic, must 1519 01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:16,160 All follow this, and come to dust. 1520 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,000 Fear no more the lightning flash, 1521 01:32:19,120 --> 01:32:21,719 Nor the all-dreaded thunder stone; 1522 01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:24,719 Fear not slander, censure rash; 1523 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:27,960 Thou hast finished joy and moan: 1524 01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,960 And all lovers young, all lovers must 1525 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:36,120 Consign to thee, and come to dust. 1526 01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:37,880 No exorciser harm thee! 1527 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,840 Nor no witchcraft charm thee! 1528 01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,719 Ghost unlaid forbear thee! 1529 01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:44,880 Nothing ill come near thee! 1530 01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,840 Quiet consummation have; 1531 01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:53,800 And renownรจd be thy grave! 1532 01:32:58,639 --> 01:33:01,240 [APPLAUSE] 1533 01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,080 "Like chimney sweepers come to dust." 1534 01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,639 You know, the dandelion, when it loses his yellow petals, 1535 01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:17,400 it turn into a sort of puffball. It looks a bit like 1536 01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,800 the old brushes that went up the old chimneys, 1537 01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:21,480 which is why Shakespeare and his contemporaries 1538 01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:23,600 called the dandelion 1539 01:33:23,719 --> 01:33:25,360 "the chimney sweeper." 1540 01:33:25,480 --> 01:33:27,240 (BLOWS) 1541 01:33:31,639 --> 01:33:33,120 Come to... 1542 01:33:34,719 --> 01:33:35,880 ..dust. 1543 01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,080 OK. Play by Shakespeare? 1544 01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:41,600 AUDIENCE MEMBER: As You Like It. 1545 01:33:41,719 --> 01:33:44,600 As You Like It. Well, we've had that one. 1546 01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:47,639 Play by Shakespeare? 1547 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:50,840 โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Richard III. โ€• Richard III. OK. 1548 01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:53,559 Bloody good film. 1549 01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:55,120 [LAUGHTER] 1550 01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:59,360 This is my street screenplay. The only book I intend to write, 1551 01:33:59,480 --> 01:34:02,600 apart from the brochure, which is still available at the... 1552 01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,240 And what I did was I put the... 1553 01:34:05,960 --> 01:34:08,520 ..the dialogue as I cut it down from the play 1554 01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:11,400 on this side and on the other, photographs of... 1555 01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,719 There's Nigel Hawthorne. 1556 01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:16,840 Robert Downey Jr. 1557 01:34:18,000 --> 01:34:22,080 And then there's Maggie Smith enjoying a Coca-Cola. 1558 01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,639 Oh, and up there, if you want to have a look at this, 1559 01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,200 you can get it โ€• it's free on my website. 1560 01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:35,080 What's the first word in this play? Not the first line, the first word. 1561 01:34:35,200 --> 01:34:36,680 AUDIENCE Now. 1562 01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:41,880 Now, what a word to start to play with. 1563 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,040 Now what's going to happen? 1564 01:34:44,160 --> 01:34:46,600 Now where are we? 1565 01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:49,639 That's live theatre. 1566 01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:53,280 It's here and it's... 1567 01:34:53,400 --> 01:34:54,639 And it's us, you know, 1568 01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:58,680 it's not yesterday's performance, it's not tomorrow's, it's not the movie. 1569 01:34:59,480 --> 01:35:00,880 Film is a bit... 1570 01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,440 a bit "then", isn't it? 1571 01:35:02,559 --> 01:35:04,960 Because the actors aren't there. It's just... 1572 01:35:05,639 --> 01:35:06,960 Shadows on a screen. 1573 01:35:07,719 --> 01:35:11,600 But here we are...ready for anything. 1574 01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:15,480 Ah. Hmm. 1575 01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,559 OK, play by Shakespeare? 1576 01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:19,880 AUDIENCE MEMBER: A Midsummer Night's Dream. 1577 01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,480 Midsummer Night's Dream. OK. 1578 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:23,680 When we were at Cambridge, 1579 01:35:23,800 --> 01:35:28,000 we recorded the whole of Shakespeare on record for... 1580 01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:30,120 ..the British Council. 1581 01:35:30,240 --> 01:35:32,320 And all the main parts were played by professional actors 1582 01:35:32,440 --> 01:35:33,440 and we played the other parts. 1583 01:35:33,559 --> 01:35:36,920 So in Midsummer Night's Dream, I got to play Lysander. 1584 01:35:38,160 --> 01:35:40,719 Which is a marginally better part than Claudio. 1585 01:35:42,719 --> 01:35:46,440 And that's another play we did on record โ€• Antony and Cleopatra. 1586 01:35:46,559 --> 01:35:50,960 And Cleopatra was played by Irene Worth. 1587 01:35:52,160 --> 01:35:57,280 And I had the very, very, very small part of Mardian the eunuch. 1588 01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:02,480 (CHUCKLES) 1589 01:36:03,160 --> 01:36:04,880 OK, next one. 1590 01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:06,639 โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hamlet. โ€• Hamlet. 1591 01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:09,680 Well, Hamlet. 1592 01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:12,120 He's one of us, isn't he? Loves the theatre. 1593 01:36:13,760 --> 01:36:17,639 When he hears that his father has been murdered, 1594 01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:19,400 or so the ghost tells him... 1595 01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:22,080 ..he fears he's living in a prison. 1596 01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:24,480 Who can he talk to, apart from... 1597 01:36:25,639 --> 01:36:27,160 you? And then... 1598 01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,680 ..then he discovers that it's his uncle, now the king, who did the murder. 1599 01:36:31,800 --> 01:36:33,800 So the ghost tells him again. 1600 01:36:33,920 --> 01:36:38,600 He has to talk to the audience. Then the actors arrive in Elsinore. 1601 01:36:38,719 --> 01:36:41,240 The players do a bit of a play. 1602 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,639 And Hamlet, as we all do, responds to what he sees in the play 1603 01:36:44,760 --> 01:36:50,240 to his own life, and then off actors go and the court leaves. 1604 01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:54,000 So... 1605 01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:58,600 Now I am alone. 1606 01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,920 O, what a rogue and peasant slave am I! 1607 01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:13,080 Is it not monstrous that this player here, But in a fiction... 1608 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,920 ..in a dream of passion, 1609 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:20,240 Could force his soul so to his own conceit 1610 01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:26,760 That from her working all his visage wann'd, 1611 01:37:26,880 --> 01:37:29,600 Tears in his eyes, distraction in's aspect, 1612 01:37:29,719 --> 01:37:31,800 A broken voice, and his whole function suiting 1613 01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,040 With forms to his conceit? And all for nothing! 1614 01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:37,920 For Hecuba! 1615 01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:41,000 What's Hecuba to him, or he to Hecuba, 1616 01:37:41,120 --> 01:37:42,880 That he should weep for her? 1617 01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:44,160 What would he do, 1618 01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:47,639 Had he the motive and the cue for passion That I have? 1619 01:37:49,480 --> 01:37:52,000 He would drown the stage with tears 1620 01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:56,400 But I, a dull and muddy-mettled rascal, peak, 1621 01:37:56,520 --> 01:37:58,680 Like John-a-dreams, unpregnant of my cause, 1622 01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:00,719 And can say nothing; no... 1623 01:38:02,559 --> 01:38:04,960 Not for a king, Upon whose property and most dear life 1624 01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:06,600 A damn'd defeat was made. 1625 01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:12,120 Am I a coward? 1626 01:38:15,280 --> 01:38:16,639 Who calls me villain? 1627 01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:18,680 Breaks my pate across? 1628 01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:20,040 Tweaks me by the nose? 1629 01:38:21,480 --> 01:38:22,800 Gives me the lie i' the throat, 1630 01:38:22,920 --> 01:38:24,320 As deep as to the lungs? Who does me this? 1631 01:38:24,440 --> 01:38:25,920 'Swounds, I should take it: for it cannot be 1632 01:38:26,040 --> 01:38:29,719 But I am pigeon-liver'd and lack the gall 1633 01:38:29,840 --> 01:38:32,920 To make oppression bitter, or ere this I should have fatted all the region kites 1634 01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:34,639 With this slave's offal: bloody, bawdy villain! 1635 01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:39,800 Remorseless, treacherous, (SHOUTING) lecherous, kindless villain! 1636 01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,680 O, vengeance! 1637 01:38:46,559 --> 01:38:48,280 O, what an ass am I! 1638 01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,080 This is most brave... 1639 01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:55,440 That I, the son of a dear father murder'd 1640 01:38:55,559 --> 01:38:57,440 Prompted to my revenge by heaven and hell, 1641 01:38:57,559 --> 01:39:00,840 Must, like a whore, unpack my heart with words, 1642 01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,040 And fall a-cursing, like a very drab, A scullion! 1643 01:39:03,160 --> 01:39:05,440 Fie upon't! About, my brain! 1644 01:39:12,400 --> 01:39:17,880 I have heard That guilty creatures sitting at a play 1645 01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:21,800 Have by the very cunning of the scene Been struck so to the soul that presently 1646 01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:26,120 They have proclaim'd their malefactions; 1647 01:39:27,639 --> 01:39:29,120 I'll have these players 1648 01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:31,920 Play something like the murder of my father 1649 01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:35,080 Before my uncle: I'll observe his looks; 1650 01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,320 I'll tent him to the quick: if he do blench, 1651 01:39:38,440 --> 01:39:39,920 I know my course. 1652 01:39:42,840 --> 01:39:47,040 This spirit that I have seen May be the devil: and the devil hath power 1653 01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,040 To assume a pleasing shape; yea, and perhaps 1654 01:39:49,160 --> 01:39:54,120 Out of my weakness and my melancholy, As he is very potent with such spirits, 1655 01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,639 Abuses me to damn me. 1656 01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:03,719 I have things More relative than this: 1657 01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:05,639 The play is the thing 1658 01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:10,600 Wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king. 1659 01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:17,920 So Hamlet goes on to write a couple of extra lines into the actors' play 1660 01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:19,920 and he gives it a new title. 1661 01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:21,680 He calls it The Mousetrap. 1662 01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,760 [APPLAUSE] 1663 01:40:28,920 --> 01:40:30,200 Thank you. 1664 01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:33,280 All right. Back of the stalls, a play? 1665 01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:35,320 (PEOPLE CALLING OUT) 1666 01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,840 All right, I heard King Lear. 1667 01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:46,000 Oh, was it the year before last I did King Lear a hundred times? 1668 01:40:46,120 --> 01:40:47,360 Not for the first time. 1669 01:40:47,480 --> 01:40:49,080 It's that sort of play. 1670 01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:51,280 It's like a mountain. 1671 01:40:51,400 --> 01:40:52,920 You'll never get to the top. 1672 01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:57,360 Although the view from halfway up can be all right. Look. 1673 01:40:57,480 --> 01:41:01,760 There's Timothy West. He's played King Lear in four different productions. 1674 01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:06,559 And the hero of my youth, John Gielgud, he played King Lear three times. 1675 01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:09,400 I saw him do it once at the Opera House in Manchester. 1676 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:12,680 And a colleague a fellow actor 1677 01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:17,639 asked Gielgud if he'd got any tips on playing King Lear. 1678 01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,120 And Gielgud said, "Oh, yes! 1679 01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:22,480 "Get a small Cordelia." 1680 01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:24,760 [LAUGHTER] 1681 01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:35,040 When Gielgud was playing... 1682 01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:36,760 Lear at Stratford, 1683 01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:40,520 his fool, King Lear's fool, was played by Alan Badel. Wonderful actor. 1684 01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:42,760 He's only got one fault. 1685 01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,080 He always insisted on giving other actors in the production he was in 1686 01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:48,280 notes on how they ought to be playing their part. 1687 01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:53,280 And I suffered that when I was playing a small part... 1688 01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:56,719 ..with him in Henry VIII on radio 1689 01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:00,080 and poor old Gielgud playing King Lear... 1690 01:42:00,200 --> 01:42:03,639 Well, this was told me by a friend who was standing in the wings with Sir John. 1691 01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:05,559 "Sir John, Sir John, we're on the wrong side of the stage. 1692 01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:07,600 "We shouldn't be here. We should be over there. 1693 01:42:07,719 --> 01:42:11,480 "We come out from over there. If we go this way we can get to..." 1694 01:42:11,600 --> 01:42:13,000 "Yes, yes, I know, I know. 1695 01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,440 "But I'm hiding from Alan Badel." 1696 01:42:16,559 --> 01:42:18,440 [LAUGHTER] 1697 01:42:24,920 --> 01:42:26,280 Oh dear, oh dear! 1698 01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:28,719 All right. Up there, yes? 1699 01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,240 โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Measure for Measure. โ€• Measure for Measure. 1700 01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:32,160 Well, that's one of the problem plays. 1701 01:42:32,280 --> 01:42:34,400 It is for me. I've never been in it, 1702 01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,840 but whenever I see it, I never quite get to grips. 1703 01:42:37,960 --> 01:42:40,880 So I'm looking forward to the production that explains it all. 1704 01:42:42,040 --> 01:42:43,960 And what's the other problem play? 1705 01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,080 โ€• (AUDIENCE SHOUTS OUT ANSWERS) โ€• No. 1706 01:42:46,200 --> 01:42:48,200 โ€• Merchant of Venice. โ€• No. 1707 01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:52,000 โ€• (AUDIENCE SHOUTS OUT ANSWERS) โ€• No. 1708 01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:55,000 No. These are all easy ones. This is the difficult one. 1709 01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:56,559 AUDIENCE MEMBER: All's Well That Ends Well. 1710 01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:00,559 What? All's Well That Ends Well. Yes. 1711 01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,160 Hasn't that got a wonderful rhythm to it? 1712 01:43:02,280 --> 01:43:04,000 Why don't we all say it together? Come on. 1713 01:43:04,120 --> 01:43:07,639 ALL: All's Well That Ends Well. 1714 01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:08,880 Ah! 1715 01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,639 I just hope that's true. All right, so next play at the back there. 1716 01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:20,040 โ€• What, what? โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Coriolanus. 1717 01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:22,840 Coriolanus. Well, I've done that twice. 1718 01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,639 โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Romeo and Juliet. โ€• Hang on. We're doing Coriolanus. 1719 01:43:28,719 --> 01:43:31,520 When I played Marcius Coriolanus at the National, 1720 01:43:31,639 --> 01:43:36,040 my mother was played by Irene Worth. 1721 01:43:37,040 --> 01:43:39,360 Second time I'd worked with her, and... 1722 01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:42,960 She said in rehearsal, "Ian, don't expect me 1723 01:43:43,080 --> 01:43:44,520 "to give the same performance every night. 1724 01:43:44,639 --> 01:43:46,840 "I don't do that. 1725 01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,559 "It's live theatre. It's all about the here and..." 1726 01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:50,960 AUDIENCE: Now. 1727 01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,120 She said, "I like to jazz Shakespeare." 1728 01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,880 That's what I've tried to do with Shakespeare ever since. 1729 01:43:58,360 --> 01:44:00,200 And the other great part... 1730 01:44:00,840 --> 01:44:03,719 ..is Tullus Aufidius. That was played by Greg Hicks. 1731 01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:06,840 And that was the part I played when I first did it in Nottingham, 1732 01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:12,480 when John Neville was Marcius. His mother was played by Dorothy Reynolds. 1733 01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,040 That name mean anything to you? Dorothy Reynolds wrote the words 1734 01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:19,520 for Salad Days, which was the longest-running musical 1735 01:44:19,639 --> 01:44:22,680 in the history of British theatre before there was Andrew Lloyd Webber. 1736 01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:27,480 And Tullus and Marcius... 1737 01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:31,920 ..great rivals on the battlefield, great warriors, great athletes, 1738 01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,719 and they're too similar. 1739 01:44:33,840 --> 01:44:35,120 They hate each other. 1740 01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:39,719 Proud, nationalistic, until... 1741 01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:43,600 Marcius is thrown out of his native Rome because of his pride 1742 01:44:43,719 --> 01:44:48,200 and he makes his way to the enemy camp, where Tullus is waiting... 1743 01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,120 ..and listening. 1744 01:44:56,719 --> 01:44:58,639 O Marcius... 1745 01:45:00,639 --> 01:45:02,360 Marcius! 1746 01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:07,160 Each word thou hast spoke hath weeded from my heart 1747 01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:10,920 A root of ancient envy. 1748 01:45:11,880 --> 01:45:15,600 If Jupiter should from yond cloud speak divine things, 1749 01:45:15,719 --> 01:45:17,600 And say 'Tis true,' I'ld not believe them... 1750 01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:23,400 ..more than thee, all noble Marcius. 1751 01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:27,280 Let me twine Mine arms about that body, where against 1752 01:45:27,400 --> 01:45:30,400 My grained ash an hundred times hath broke 1753 01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:34,360 And scarr'd the moon with splinters: here I clip 1754 01:45:34,480 --> 01:45:37,280 The anvil of my sword, and do contest 1755 01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:41,520 As hotly and as nobly with thy love As ever in ambitious strength I did 1756 01:45:41,639 --> 01:45:44,080 Contend against thy valour. 1757 01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:51,280 Know thou first, I loved the maid I married; never man 1758 01:45:51,400 --> 01:45:54,480 Sigh'd truer breath; but that I see thee here, 1759 01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:56,960 Thou noble thing! 1760 01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,160 More dances my rapt heart 1761 01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:05,880 Than when I first my wedded mistress saw Bestride my threshold. 1762 01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,760 Why, thou Mars! 1763 01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:16,360 I tell thee, We have a power on foot; and I had purpose 1764 01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:18,760 Once more to hew thy target from thy brawn, 1765 01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:22,160 Or lose mine arm for't: thou hast beat me out 1766 01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:27,559 Twelve...several times, and I have nightly since 1767 01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,280 Dreamt of encounters 'twixt thyself and me; 1768 01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,800 We have been down together in my sleep, 1769 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,920 Unbuckling helms, fisting each other's throat, 1770 01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:40,840 And waked half dead with nothing. 1771 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,240 Had we no quarrel else to Rome, but that 1772 01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:47,320 Thou art thence banish'd, we should muster all 1773 01:46:47,440 --> 01:46:52,800 From twelve to seventy, and pouring war Into the bowels of ungrateful Rome, 1774 01:46:52,920 --> 01:46:56,360 Like a bold flood o'er-bear. O, come, go in, 1775 01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:58,480 Let me commend thee first to those that shall 1776 01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,320 Say yea to thy desires. 1777 01:47:01,440 --> 01:47:03,160 A thousand welcomes! 1778 01:47:05,120 --> 01:47:07,160 And more a friend than e'er an enemy; 1779 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,760 Yet Martius, that was much. 1780 01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:12,480 Your hand. 1781 01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:20,559 Most welcome! 1782 01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:27,120 And if there's two studs are not slipping off into the wings 1783 01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:28,880 to have a bit of how's-your-father... 1784 01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:30,120 [LAUGHTER] 1785 01:47:30,240 --> 01:47:31,960 [APPLAUSE] 1786 01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,760 โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Titus Andronicus. โ€• Titus Andronicus. 1787 01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:44,639 Well, you know, it's not done very often. Have you ever seen it? 1788 01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:49,880 Yeah. Well, whenever it's done, the critics always get very excited. 1789 01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,320 "Oh, oh, this director! Oh, oh, the actors! 1790 01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:55,200 "Oh, they're marvellous!" 1791 01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:58,360 "They've managed to turn this rubbish play into something really quite..." 1792 01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,600 It's not a rubbish play. It's not a rubbish movie. Did you see the film? 1793 01:48:05,120 --> 01:48:08,480 Oh, with Anthony Hopkins. If you think he's frightening 1794 01:48:08,600 --> 01:48:10,920 as Hannibal Lecter, you wait till you see him as... 1795 01:48:11,639 --> 01:48:15,960 Titus Andronicus. Yeah. OK. OK. Another play? 1796 01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,719 Twelfth Night. That's my favourite. 1797 01:48:19,320 --> 01:48:20,920 Can you have a favourite? 1798 01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:24,440 Well...yes. It was the first one... first one I saw. 1799 01:48:24,559 --> 01:48:26,040 First one... 1800 01:48:26,960 --> 01:48:29,400 ..that I was in at school. We did the letter scene. 1801 01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:32,559 And I played Malvolio. 1802 01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:36,760 I was 13 years old. And this copy of the play has got the famous quote. 1803 01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:38,639 "Some are born great. 1804 01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:40,480 "Some achieve greatness..." 1805 01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:43,760 And I suppose with a reference to modern politics, 1806 01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:46,240 "Some have greatness thrust upon them." 1807 01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:52,280 โ€• OK, another play? โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Romeo and Juliet. 1808 01:48:52,400 --> 01:48:53,400 Thank you. 1809 01:48:58,400 --> 01:49:01,040 Romeo and Juliet. Well, he was young. 1810 01:49:02,639 --> 01:49:06,480 Young love. Young verse. Easy to understand. 1811 01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:10,160 And listen, you'll hear...the text 1812 01:49:10,280 --> 01:49:13,160 is full of light and shade, light and dark, 1813 01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:16,240 sunlight, daylight, moonlight, starlight, 1814 01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:19,040 lamplight. Colours too. White and black. 1815 01:49:19,800 --> 01:49:22,480 The white of new snow. 1816 01:49:23,400 --> 01:49:25,520 On a raven's back. 1817 01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:29,400 Green of the moon. 1818 01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:32,480 The red of lips and cheeks 1819 01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:34,000 and blood. 1820 01:49:37,400 --> 01:49:38,520 Soft! 1821 01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,639 What light through yonder window breaks? 1822 01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:49,840 It is the east, and Juliet is the sun. 1823 01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:54,120 Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon, 1824 01:49:54,240 --> 01:49:56,280 Who is already sick and pale with grief, 1825 01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:59,520 That thou her maid art far more fair than she: 1826 01:49:59,639 --> 01:50:02,120 Be not her maid, since she is envious; 1827 01:50:02,240 --> 01:50:04,600 Her vestal livery is but sick and green 1828 01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:08,120 And none but fools do wear it; cast it off. 1829 01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:14,040 It is my lady, O, it is my love! 1830 01:50:14,160 --> 01:50:15,639 O, that she knew she were! 1831 01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:21,600 See, how she leans her cheek upon her hand! 1832 01:50:21,719 --> 01:50:24,559 Ooh, that I were a glove upon that hand, 1833 01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:27,480 That I might touch that cheek! 1834 01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,080 She speaks. 1835 01:50:29,960 --> 01:50:32,559 O, speak again, bright angel! 1836 01:50:34,719 --> 01:50:38,400 (GIRLISHLY) O Romeo, Romeo! 1837 01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:40,280 [LAUGHTER] 1838 01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:46,719 Wherefore art thou, Romeo? 1839 01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:51,719 Deny thy father and refuse thy name. 1840 01:50:53,160 --> 01:50:55,719 Or, if thou wilt not, be but sworn my love, 1841 01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,280 And I'll no longer be a Capulet. 1842 01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,559 'Tis but thy name which is my enemy; 1843 01:51:02,680 --> 01:51:05,280 Thou art thyself, though not a Montague. 1844 01:51:06,040 --> 01:51:07,360 What is Montague? 1845 01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:12,719 It is nor hand, nor foot, Nor arm, nor face, nor... 1846 01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,320 ..any other part Belonging to a man. 1847 01:51:16,440 --> 01:51:18,400 O, be some other name! 1848 01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:19,680 What's in a name? 1849 01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:25,800 That which we call a rose By any other name would smell as sweet; 1850 01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,160 So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd, 1851 01:51:29,280 --> 01:51:32,160 Retain that dear perfection which he owes Without that title. 1852 01:51:32,280 --> 01:51:34,080 Romeo, doff thy name, 1853 01:51:34,200 --> 01:51:38,840 And for that name which is no part of thee Take all myself. 1854 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:41,600 Gallop apace, you fiery-footed steeds, 1855 01:51:41,719 --> 01:51:45,480 Towards Phoebus' lodging: such a wagoner 1856 01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:51,000 As Phaethon would whip you to the west, And bring in cloudy night immediately. 1857 01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:54,360 Spread thy close curtain, love-performing night... 1858 01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:59,520 ..that runaway's eyes may wink and Romeo 1859 01:51:59,639 --> 01:52:03,080 Leap to these arms, untalk'd of and unseen. 1860 01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:07,600 Come, night; come, Romeo. 1861 01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:12,000 Come, thou day in night; 1862 01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:19,840 For thou wilt lie upon the wings of night Whiter than new snow on a raven's back. 1863 01:52:19,960 --> 01:52:25,280 Come, gentle night, come, loving, black-brow'd night, 1864 01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:27,840 Give me my Romeo... 1865 01:52:30,639 --> 01:52:36,320 ..and, when he shall die, Take him and cut him out in little stars. 1866 01:52:38,559 --> 01:52:42,200 And he will make the face of heaven so fine 1867 01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:47,320 That all the world will be in love with night... 1868 01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:52,920 ..and pay no worship to the garish sun. 1869 01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:58,280 Of course, there were no girls allowed in Shakespeare's original production. 1870 01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:01,280 I don't know what sort of lad it was that was first entrusted 1871 01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:02,800 with playing Juliet, 1872 01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,000 then Rosalind and Imogen and Viola and Mistress Quickly and... 1873 01:53:07,400 --> 01:53:10,680 ..Cleopatra. A breed long gone. 1874 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:12,080 Thank you. 1875 01:53:12,200 --> 01:53:15,240 [APPLAUSE] 1876 01:53:19,719 --> 01:53:22,960 โ€• AUDIENCE MEMBER: Merchant of Venice. โ€• Merchant of Venice. 1877 01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:26,639 Well, that's a part I still want to play. What's his name? 1878 01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:29,880 โ€• Antonio. โ€• Shylock. 1879 01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:34,760 No, Shylock is the moneylender. Antonio is the merchant. 1880 01:53:34,880 --> 01:53:36,240 And he's gay. 1881 01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:40,559 And the odd thing is, there's another gay Antonio in Shakespeare. 1882 01:53:40,680 --> 01:53:43,400 Can you think where he's in love with Sebastian? 1883 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,160 โ€• Twelfth Night. โ€• Twelfth Night, yeah. 1884 01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:47,080 "For I do love thee so." 1885 01:53:47,200 --> 01:53:49,760 Do you suppose Shakespeare had a mate called Antonio? 1886 01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,840 โ™ช Oh, oh, Antonio! 1887 01:53:54,559 --> 01:53:55,880 โ™ช He's gone away 1888 01:53:56,000 --> 01:53:58,719 โ™ช Left me on my ownio. โ™ช 1889 01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:02,880 Antonio's got the first line of the play. 1890 01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:07,280 "In sooth, I know not why I am so sad." 1891 01:54:07,400 --> 01:54:09,320 Well, we soon find out, don't we? 1892 01:54:11,000 --> 01:54:15,400 Well, his boyfriend Bassanio's announced he wants to get married to Portia, 1893 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,080 and he's expecting poor old Antonio to pay for the wedding. 1894 01:54:18,840 --> 01:54:21,240 The cheek of you young lads! 1895 01:54:21,960 --> 01:54:24,440 All right, Merchant of Venice. Thank you. Next one. 1896 01:54:24,559 --> 01:54:26,960 โ€• Antony and Cleopatra. โ€• Antony and Cleopatra. 1897 01:54:27,080 --> 01:54:28,400 We've had that one. Yeah. 1898 01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:30,680 โ€• Taming of the Shrew. โ€• Taming of the Shrew? 1899 01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:33,240 Yeah, that was the first play I saw at Stratford. 1900 01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,360 Keith Michell was Petruchio. 1901 01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:38,000 And... 1902 01:54:38,120 --> 01:54:39,880 Oh, the set for the show! 1903 01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:41,000 I've ever seen anything like it. 1904 01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:44,920 The stage at Stratford was covered in...stuff. 1905 01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:48,680 And at the end, when the curtain fell, as curtains used to do in those days, 1906 01:54:48,800 --> 01:54:50,880 what happened was they just came very slowly down 1907 01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:52,960 and before it reached the bottom, 1908 01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:58,120 you could see the set started to move away silently from the audience 1909 01:54:58,240 --> 01:55:01,000 till it vanished in the dark. 1910 01:55:02,559 --> 01:55:04,280 It was like being back at Peter Pan. 1911 01:55:05,600 --> 01:55:07,600 Taming of the Shrew. Yes. Another one? 1912 01:55:07,719 --> 01:55:11,360 โ€• (AUDIENCE SHOUTS OUT) โ€• King John, did I hear? Well... 1913 01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:15,760 I've been in King John. I took over from Dickie Pasco. 1914 01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,080 He didn't want to transfer from Stratford. 1915 01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,880 So I got to play in London the bastard with that wonderful speech... 1916 01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,440 ..about England. Yep. Next one? 1917 01:55:25,559 --> 01:55:27,160 โ€• Julius Caesar. โ€• Julius Caesar. 1918 01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:31,240 Got that one. Here we are. Well, not just Julius Caesar โ€• it's the lot. 1919 01:55:32,440 --> 01:55:36,680 Oxford University Press Complete Works of William Shakespeare. My copy. 1920 01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:45,480 "Ian. With every good wish from Granny and Grandpa. Christmas 1952." 1921 01:55:45,600 --> 01:55:46,840 AUDIENCE: Awww! 1922 01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:52,840 You know when they locked up Nelson Mandela? Was it for 27 years? 1923 01:55:53,880 --> 01:55:58,960 On Robben Island, just across the strait from Cape Town in South Africa. 1924 01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:03,800 They didn't allow them any books unless they were holy books. 1925 01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:06,600 And some wit had the idea 1926 01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:10,400 of disguising the Oxford University Press Complete Works of William Shakespeare 1927 01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:11,719 as a Bible. 1928 01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:16,080 And they successfully smuggled it onto Robben Island 1929 01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:19,480 and it went around from cell to cell and each inmate signed it. 1930 01:56:19,600 --> 01:56:23,120 And against the signature of Nelson Mandela, 1931 01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:24,760 he'd underlined... 1932 01:56:25,880 --> 01:56:28,040 ..a couplet from Julius Caesar โ€• 1933 01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:31,719 "Cowards die many times before their death. 1934 01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:37,880 "The valiant never taste of death but once." 1935 01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:41,680 The Robben Island Bible. 1936 01:56:45,480 --> 01:56:47,480 OK, next one? 1937 01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:49,520 โ€• Merry Wives. โ€• Merry Wives of Windsor. 1938 01:56:50,240 --> 01:56:51,559 Well... 1939 01:56:52,840 --> 01:56:55,680 Shakespeare's full of quotations, and the quote from this one is... 1940 01:56:56,840 --> 01:56:59,840 "The world is my oyster". It comes from this play. 1941 01:56:59,960 --> 01:57:02,600 And it's an unusual play, because it's about ordinary people, 1942 01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:04,719 and Shakespeare is normally writing about 1943 01:57:04,840 --> 01:57:07,360 the nobs, isn't he, kings and queens and heirs to the throne. 1944 01:57:07,480 --> 01:57:10,040 Here, it's perfectly ordinary people going about their merry way 1945 01:57:10,160 --> 01:57:12,480 in perfectly ordinary Windsor. 1946 01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:14,320 [LAUGHTER] 1947 01:57:16,840 --> 01:57:18,680 โ€• Another play? โ€• (AUDIENCE SHOUTS OUT) 1948 01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,639 All right, let's do the Henrys. 1949 01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,960 Henry the... (MUTTERS UNDER BREATH) 1950 01:57:27,840 --> 01:57:29,639 Henry... Oh, my... 1951 01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:35,920 All right. chronological order Henry... 1952 01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:38,680 โ€• IV, part...? โ€• AUDIENCE: 1. 1953 01:57:38,800 --> 01:57:40,760 โ€• Henry IV, part... โ€• 2. 1954 01:57:40,880 --> 01:57:41,960 Well done. 1955 01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:46,719 There's the fat knight, Falstaff. 1956 01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:49,639 I'm not going to play Falstaff. It's not the padding. 1957 01:57:49,760 --> 01:57:52,480 It's just I've seen too many wonderful Falstaffs, 1958 01:57:52,600 --> 01:57:57,639 most recently at the Globe Theatre here in London โ€• Roger Allam. 1959 01:57:58,200 --> 01:57:59,360 Unbeatable. 1960 01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,160 So... 1961 01:58:01,760 --> 01:58:04,240 And then what's the next Henry by Shakespeare? Henry...? 1962 01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:05,639 โ€• V. โ€• V. 1963 01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:07,600 There's Kenneth Branagh. 1964 01:58:07,719 --> 01:58:09,280 He gets everywhere. 1965 01:58:13,559 --> 01:58:17,360 When I heard that he was going to make a film of Henry V, 1966 01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:19,040 I thought...cheeky! 1967 01:58:19,160 --> 01:58:22,440 Well, because actors of my generation, 1968 01:58:22,559 --> 01:58:26,160 Laurence Olivier made his movie โ€• we didn't need another one. 1969 01:58:26,280 --> 01:58:28,840 Well, I was wrong. We did. It was wonderful. 1970 01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:32,080 And if it hadn't been, I doubt if I would have had the chutzpah 1971 01:58:32,200 --> 01:58:36,040 to challenge Sir Laurence's memory with my own film. 1972 01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:39,160 Of course these are the best parts in Shakespeare. 1973 01:58:40,080 --> 01:58:41,280 The kings. 1974 01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:44,600 There's usually a throne, and you get to sit on it. 1975 01:58:46,440 --> 01:58:47,440 And then of course all evening long, 1976 01:58:47,559 --> 01:58:50,320 messengers come along with bits of paper 1977 01:58:50,440 --> 01:58:52,120 with your part written down on them. 1978 01:58:52,240 --> 01:58:54,320 [LAUGHTER] 1979 01:58:56,120 --> 01:58:58,880 Well, I mean, that's all right until something goes wrong. 1980 01:58:59,000 --> 01:59:02,360 There was an actor at Stratford and he was playing Henry V. 1981 01:59:03,960 --> 01:59:08,320 And he reached that wonderful scene at the end of the battle when the stage is... 1982 01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,440 ..strewn with the dead French soldiers, 1983 01:59:11,559 --> 01:59:15,440 and then a messenger brings in the list of the names of all the dead French, 1984 01:59:15,559 --> 01:59:17,240 which the king very movingly reads out. 1985 01:59:18,440 --> 01:59:22,320 Unfortunately on this occasion, the king was presented with a blank sheet of paper. 1986 01:59:22,440 --> 01:59:27,440 This note doth tell me of 10,000 French which in the field lie slain. 1987 01:59:27,559 --> 01:59:31,719 Of nobles in that number there lie dead 126. 1988 01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:36,840 These the names of those their nobles that lie dead. 1989 01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,200 [LAUGHTER] 1990 01:59:47,760 --> 01:59:49,040 (UNDER HIS BREATH) Well, fuck you! 1991 01:59:49,160 --> 01:59:50,680 [LAUGHTER] 1992 01:59:57,440 --> 01:59:59,800 Charles Beaujolais. 1993 02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:06,680 And Saint-ร‰milion. 1994 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,480 Pouilly-Fuissรฉ. 1995 02:00:16,040 --> 02:00:19,720 Nuits-Saint-Georges... 1996 02:00:23,160 --> 02:00:24,520 Champagne. 1997 02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:28,800 Veuve Clicquot. 1998 02:00:31,800 --> 02:00:33,480 Moรซt...and Chandon. 1999 02:00:40,120 --> 02:00:41,520 Dom Perignon. 2000 02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:45,600 And Chรขteauneuf-du-Pape. 2001 02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:53,200 So what are these three Henrys? 2002 02:00:53,320 --> 02:00:54,320 โ€• Henry...? โ€• VI. 2003 02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:55,440 โ€• Part? โ€• 1. 2004 02:00:55,560 --> 02:00:57,120 โ€• Henry VI. Part...? โ€• 2. 2005 02:00:57,240 --> 02:00:58,800 โ€• Henry VI. Part...? โ€• 3. 2006 02:00:58,920 --> 02:01:02,320 And at Cambridge, my best mate Corin, Vanessa Redgrave's younger brother, 2007 02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:04,440 he adapted the three plays into two 2008 02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:06,320 and he directed them, asked me to play King Henry, 2009 02:01:06,440 --> 02:01:07,920 and that's how I got to play 2010 02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:10,480 two-thirds of Henry VI. 2011 02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:15,680 And that leaves just one other Henry by Shakespeare โ€• Henry...? 2012 02:01:15,800 --> 02:01:17,160 โ€• VIII. โ€• VIII. 2013 02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:20,480 And what other title did Shakespeare give it, do you know? 2014 02:01:23,080 --> 02:01:26,760 All Is True. Which is the title of... 2015 02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:30,520 ..a newish film about Shakespeare in retirement. 2016 02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:32,560 It was produced by Kenneth Branagh. 2017 02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:34,200 [LAUGHTER] 2018 02:01:36,240 --> 02:01:39,160 And directed by Kenneth Branagh. 2019 02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:40,880 And of course, it stars... 2020 02:01:45,640 --> 02:01:47,120 ..Judi Dench. 2021 02:01:50,560 --> 02:01:52,000 And Kenneth Branagh. 2022 02:01:53,440 --> 02:01:57,200 And I'm in it somewhere. And, oh, Ken had the wonderful idea... 2023 02:01:58,040 --> 02:02:00,640 He illuminated all the interior scenes of the film 2024 02:02:00,760 --> 02:02:03,440 not with electric light, but with candlelight. 2025 02:02:04,080 --> 02:02:07,320 Ah! The effect was wonderful. 2026 02:02:07,440 --> 02:02:10,120 Great words too by Ben Elton. 2027 02:02:10,240 --> 02:02:11,960 All Is True. 2028 02:02:12,080 --> 02:02:14,320 โ€• Come on, you're doing well. Yes? โ€• Richard II. 2029 02:02:14,440 --> 02:02:18,360 Richard II. Well, when we were doing Edward II, 2030 02:02:18,480 --> 02:02:19,840 I was doing Richard II 2031 02:02:19,960 --> 02:02:21,520 on alternate nights in London. 2032 02:02:21,640 --> 02:02:26,200 But before that, on the road. Big theatres, 2,000-3,000... No. 2033 02:02:27,480 --> 02:02:31,400 (SIGHS) Too big, really. It's so difficult trying to make sure 2034 02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:36,120 that everybody in a large, large theatre has a shared experience, 2035 02:02:36,240 --> 02:02:38,480 particularly people way up there, 2036 02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:42,120 who of course haven't paid anywhere near as much as people down... 2037 02:02:42,240 --> 02:02:43,800 [LAUGHTER] 2038 02:02:46,480 --> 02:02:47,880 But I was a young actor, 2039 02:02:48,000 --> 02:02:52,600 trying to keep in touch, gesticulating, shouting, 2040 02:02:52,720 --> 02:02:55,880 running alongside the character, trying to explain to you. 2041 02:02:56,000 --> 02:02:58,800 People down here thought I'd gone bananas. 2042 02:02:58,920 --> 02:03:02,600 And the performance was full of effects, like... 2043 02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:07,160 (BELLOWING) We are...amazed! 2044 02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:09,320 (MOUTHS) 2045 02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:16,920 OK, next one? 2046 02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:21,320 Comedy of Errors? That's the shortest play he wrote. The only farce. 2047 02:03:22,080 --> 02:03:23,600 Laughter machine. 2048 02:03:23,720 --> 02:03:25,760 Mistaken identities. 2049 02:03:25,880 --> 02:03:27,120 Twins. 2050 02:03:28,680 --> 02:03:31,280 And the best version I saw was at Stratford. 2051 02:03:32,600 --> 02:03:34,720 As a musical. And it was put together by Trevor Nunn. 2052 02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:36,440 The first musical he'd done. 2053 02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:39,320 If he hadn't done that, there may have been no Cats. 2054 02:03:40,120 --> 02:03:41,320 No Les Mis. 2055 02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:44,480 Judi was in it, and so was her late husband Mike Williams. 2056 02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:47,640 I was in the company but not in the play. So when I'd finished my show, 2057 02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:50,960 I'd go and stand at the back and hear them sing and dance, 2058 02:03:51,080 --> 02:03:55,200 And you can still hear them sing and watch them dance. 2059 02:03:55,320 --> 02:03:56,520 It's all on video. 2060 02:03:57,240 --> 02:04:01,160 Comedy of Errors, Royal Shakespeare Company, 1976. 2061 02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:03,720 Give yourselves a treat. 2062 02:04:04,840 --> 02:04:07,280 OK. Good. Now? 2063 02:04:07,400 --> 02:04:08,920 (AUDIENCE SHOUTS OUT) 2064 02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:11,640 โ€• Say it again. โ€• Love's Labour's Lost. 2065 02:04:11,760 --> 02:04:13,200 Love's Labour's Lost. Yep. 2066 02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:16,560 Well, another play that I did at Cambridge as a musical. 2067 02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:20,120 Clive Swift wrote the music. He played the piano. 2068 02:04:20,240 --> 02:04:22,040 Derek sang Berowne. 2069 02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:28,640 I was the old schoolmaster, and shared... 2070 02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:34,560 ..a song about the greatest, longest word in the play โ€• one of those nonsense words. 2071 02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:36,680 Maybe the longest word in the English language, I don't know. 2072 02:04:37,640 --> 02:04:38,920 And it went something like... 2073 02:04:39,040 --> 02:04:41,880 โ™ช All over the world, wherever you go 2074 02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:45,840 โ™ช From the pygmy in the south to the Eskimo 2075 02:04:45,960 --> 02:04:49,040 โ™ช People should be governed, don't you know 2076 02:04:49,160 --> 02:04:50,280 โ™ช By 2077 02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:55,360 โ™ช Honorificabilitudinitatibo 2078 02:04:55,960 --> 02:04:58,440 โ™ช And whenever you go on the land or sea 2079 02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:01,080 โ™ช From the Elephant and Castle to the Ritz for tea 2080 02:05:01,200 --> 02:05:04,600 โ™ช Upper-crusted people will agree on 2081 02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:09,680 โ™ช Honorificabilitudinitatibee 2082 02:05:09,800 --> 02:05:11,680 โ™ช You may feel faintly nervous 2083 02:05:11,800 --> 02:05:14,040 โ™ช With only initatibus 2084 02:05:14,160 --> 02:05:16,560 โ™ช But just add on an honorif 2085 02:05:16,680 --> 02:05:19,600 โ™ช And we think you will agree with us that 2086 02:05:19,720 --> 02:05:21,800 โ™ช If a card may be rather hard 2087 02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:24,160 โ™ช When if you're suffering from the blues 2088 02:05:24,280 --> 02:05:27,200 โ™ช But add a cardilif to your honorif 2089 02:05:27,320 --> 02:05:31,040 โ™ช And after brooding, pop in udin 2090 02:05:31,160 --> 02:05:32,880 โ™ช Then go the whole hog 2091 02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:36,440 โ™ช Singing with us 2092 02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:42,680 โ™ช Honorificabilitudinitatibus! โ™ช 2093 02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:43,800 Altogether now! 2094 02:05:43,920 --> 02:05:46,360 โ™ช Honorificabilitudinitatibus! โ™ช 2095 02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:49,400 [APPLAUSE] 2096 02:05:52,440 --> 02:05:54,000 Thank you. 2097 02:05:54,120 --> 02:05:56,240 โ€• Yes, come on. โ€• Two Gentlemen of Verona. 2098 02:05:56,360 --> 02:05:57,920 Two Gentlemen of Verona. 2099 02:05:58,040 --> 02:06:01,320 That's the... Ah, where are we? 2100 02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:04,560 It's the one play of Shakespeare I've never seen. Have you seen it? 2101 02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:08,800 Yes. Where have you seen it, can you remember? 2102 02:06:08,920 --> 02:06:10,720 โ€• Drama school. โ€• Drama school. Yeah. 2103 02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:13,920 Well, I want to see it, because there's a dog in it. 2104 02:06:15,640 --> 02:06:17,040 Crab. 2105 02:06:17,160 --> 02:06:18,760 It behaves rather badly. 2106 02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:20,640 What's the other play of Shakespeare's with a dog in it? 2107 02:06:20,760 --> 02:06:23,480 Don't say Macbeth โ€• "Out, out, damn Spot!" 2108 02:06:23,600 --> 02:06:25,000 [LAUGHTER] 2109 02:06:29,720 --> 02:06:32,120 "This lanthorn doth the horned moon present." 2110 02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:34,200 Midsummer Night's Dream. 2111 02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:38,240 Yes, this dog, my dog โ€• it's usually a toy dog. 2112 02:06:38,360 --> 02:06:41,240 But in Two Gents, it's the real thing โ€• woof, woof. 2113 02:06:41,360 --> 02:06:42,520 I can't wait. 2114 02:06:43,640 --> 02:06:44,880 OK, good. 2115 02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:48,320 โ€• Timon of Athens. โ€• Timon of Athens. 2116 02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:54,400 I can never forget and I will never forgive myself. 2117 02:06:54,520 --> 02:06:58,440 I didn't go and see Paul Scofield play Timon of Athens. 2118 02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:01,880 Look, if you hear there's an actor who you admire 2119 02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:05,280 going to be in a play that you admire or don't admire or... 2120 02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:07,560 Go. 2121 02:07:07,680 --> 02:07:09,560 Because one day it'll be too late. 2122 02:07:11,080 --> 02:07:14,920 And I feel that about other great performers. 2123 02:07:15,040 --> 02:07:16,640 When I was on tour in the United States, 2124 02:07:16,760 --> 02:07:18,720 some of the company went down to Las Vegas. 2125 02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:22,680 I didn't go with them. So I never saw Elvis on stage. 2126 02:07:24,120 --> 02:07:28,320 I didn't hear Sinatra singing in the Royal Albert Hall here in London. 2127 02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:32,440 And when I was a lad, I bought a ticket specially for a... 2128 02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:35,920 ..very, very famous local comic from Wigan. 2129 02:07:36,040 --> 02:07:39,120 He was a film star. He was on the end of the pier at Blackpool โ€• 2130 02:07:39,240 --> 02:07:40,920 George Formby. 2131 02:07:42,040 --> 02:07:45,200 And it was a nice afternoon. So I didn't bother going. 2132 02:07:47,080 --> 02:07:49,320 And I had a ticket for the last performance 2133 02:07:49,440 --> 02:07:53,400 that Judy Garland was scheduled to give here in London at the... 2134 02:07:54,240 --> 02:08:00,040 ..Hippodrome, a Matcham theatre, and I called up beforehand and they said no... 2135 02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:04,240 ..Judy wasn't well enough and she would not be singing that night. 2136 02:08:04,360 --> 02:08:07,360 And she never sang publicly again. 2137 02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:13,080 Which is partly why, a couple of weeks ago in London, 2138 02:08:13,200 --> 02:08:14,840 I went to see Cher. 2139 02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:16,800 [LAUGHTER] 2140 02:08:25,480 --> 02:08:29,840 She's about my age, Cher, but my God, you'd never know. 2141 02:08:29,960 --> 02:08:33,120 (CHUCKLES) She's looking great. 2142 02:08:33,240 --> 02:08:35,920 And I loved her line to the audience. There she was, 2143 02:08:36,040 --> 02:08:37,800 looking a million dollars, and she said, 2144 02:08:37,920 --> 02:08:41,000 "So what's your granny doing tonight?" 2145 02:08:41,120 --> 02:08:42,720 [LAUGHTER] 2146 02:08:45,320 --> 02:08:48,280 OK. Come on, we've only got three left. What are they? 2147 02:08:48,400 --> 02:08:50,080 (AUDIENCE SHOUTS OUT) 2148 02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:52,520 Much Ado? Yes, About Nothing. 2149 02:08:52,640 --> 02:08:54,760 Oh, well, I've been in that twice, 2150 02:08:54,880 --> 02:08:58,280 but I never played Benedick, and I'm too old now. 2151 02:08:58,400 --> 02:08:59,640 AUDIENCE MEMBER: No, you're not! 2152 02:09:05,120 --> 02:09:06,640 Oh, yes. I am. 2153 02:09:08,200 --> 02:09:11,840 But, you know, it's such an easy part, Benedick. 2154 02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:16,520 But you never see a bad Benedick, do you? It's like Romeo and Juliet. 2155 02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:19,320 Oh, lads, don't play Romeo. No, you want to play Mercutio. 2156 02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:20,760 That's the part. 2157 02:09:21,480 --> 02:09:24,200 Yeah. Well, you never see a bad Mercutio, do you? 2158 02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:26,000 And of course you're dead by the interval. 2159 02:09:26,120 --> 02:09:27,480 So you get to go home. 2160 02:09:31,480 --> 02:09:33,560 โ€• What are these two plays? โ€• Pericles. 2161 02:09:33,680 --> 02:09:35,200 Pericles, yes. 2162 02:09:36,080 --> 02:09:41,120 Well, that's the last of the four late plays. And they've all got the same plot. 2163 02:09:41,880 --> 02:09:44,320 It's all about reconciliation between fathers and daughters. 2164 02:09:44,440 --> 02:09:48,000 So, Pericles, a great play to take your daughter to. 2165 02:09:48,120 --> 02:09:50,120 A great play to take your father to, really. 2166 02:09:50,240 --> 02:09:51,640 Happy ending. 2167 02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:56,400 And talking of endings, what's this last play? 2168 02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:58,080 โ€• Merchant of Venice. โ€• No. 2169 02:09:58,200 --> 02:10:00,000 (AUDIENCE SHOUTS OUT) 2170 02:10:00,120 --> 02:10:01,960 Troilus and Cressida. 2171 02:10:03,000 --> 02:10:04,200 And you know... 2172 02:10:06,720 --> 02:10:08,960 I have nothing to say about Troilus and Cressida. 2173 02:10:09,080 --> 02:10:10,880 [LAUGHTER] 2174 02:10:16,120 --> 02:10:19,480 Well, congratulations. I think you've scored a record there. 2175 02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:23,680 Well, there's the Tempest โ€• the last play. 2176 02:10:25,800 --> 02:10:26,920 Then there's this one. 2177 02:10:27,040 --> 02:10:29,920 After all that shouting in large theatres, 2178 02:10:30,040 --> 02:10:32,200 we came to do Macbeth in a small one. 2179 02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:34,160 The Other Place at Stratford. 2180 02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:36,880 120 people scattered around a magic circle 2181 02:10:37,000 --> 02:10:39,280 that John Napier had chalked on the bare board. 2182 02:10:40,160 --> 02:10:43,240 Very cheap production. It cost ยฃ250. 2183 02:10:43,360 --> 02:10:47,320 All the costumes came from second-hand shops. Judi wore a tea towel. 2184 02:10:48,200 --> 02:10:49,600 If you look closely at the video, 2185 02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:53,200 you can see on my tunic, it says 2186 02:10:53,320 --> 02:10:55,880 "Birmingham Fire Brigade." 2187 02:11:00,160 --> 02:11:03,680 At times, the play seems to be almost happening just... 2188 02:11:03,800 --> 02:11:06,800 inside his head, which he opens up 2189 02:11:06,920 --> 02:11:11,600 for inspection and shows you his fears and his conscience. 2190 02:11:12,840 --> 02:11:14,840 It's not a part to be shouted. 2191 02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:19,360 And doing it in The Other Place was the... 2192 02:11:19,480 --> 02:11:23,200 best preparation possible for the closest audience of all, 2193 02:11:23,320 --> 02:11:25,200 which is the film camera. 2194 02:11:26,240 --> 02:11:28,520 At the outset, you know, the Macbeths are the golden couple, 2195 02:11:28,640 --> 02:11:29,720 everybody adores them. 2196 02:11:29,840 --> 02:11:33,760 Single-handedly he saved his nation from defeat on the battlefield. 2197 02:11:33,880 --> 02:11:36,760 He's coming back and he meets the three weird sisters, 2198 02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:39,600 who give him their supernatural solicitation, 2199 02:11:39,720 --> 02:11:42,880 and then in the arms of his beloved wife... 2200 02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:47,160 ..he begins to plot the death of the good king, Duncan, 2201 02:11:47,280 --> 02:11:51,560 and at that moment, their marriage begins to crack and splinter... 2202 02:11:52,200 --> 02:11:55,760 ..till, by the end, there is between them...nothing. 2203 02:12:00,680 --> 02:12:04,000 This supernatural soliciting Cannot be ill... 2204 02:12:07,280 --> 02:12:08,800 ..cannot be good. 2205 02:12:09,800 --> 02:12:14,240 If ill, Why hath it given me earnest of success... 2206 02:12:15,280 --> 02:12:18,280 Commencing in a truth? I am thane of Cawdor. 2207 02:12:21,240 --> 02:12:26,400 If good, why do I yield to that suggestion Whose horrid image doth unfix my hair... 2208 02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:32,160 And make my seated heart knock at my ribs, Against the use of nature? 2209 02:12:33,760 --> 02:12:36,800 Present fears Are less than horrible imaginings: 2210 02:12:36,920 --> 02:12:39,200 My thought, whose murder... 2211 02:12:45,360 --> 02:12:46,800 ..yet is but fantastical, 2212 02:12:46,920 --> 02:12:49,320 Shakes so my single state of man that function 2213 02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:51,600 Is smother'd in surmise... 2214 02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:57,520 ..and nothing is But what is not. 2215 02:13:01,720 --> 02:13:03,680 If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well 2216 02:13:03,800 --> 02:13:05,520 It were done quickly. 2217 02:13:08,160 --> 02:13:09,400 If the assassination... 2218 02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:17,160 Could trammel up the consequence, and catch 2219 02:13:17,280 --> 02:13:21,280 With his surcease success; that but this blow 2220 02:13:21,400 --> 02:13:23,760 Might be the be-all and the end-all here, 2221 02:13:23,880 --> 02:13:27,520 But here, upon this bank and shoal of time, 2222 02:13:29,200 --> 02:13:32,200 We'ld jump the life to come. But in these cases 2223 02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:34,840 We still have judgment here; 2224 02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:37,880 that we but teach bloody instructions, 2225 02:13:38,000 --> 02:13:40,640 which, being taught, return 2226 02:13:40,760 --> 02:13:43,160 To plague the inventor. 2227 02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:45,080 He's here in double trust; 2228 02:13:45,200 --> 02:13:48,960 First, as I am his kinsman and his subject, 2229 02:13:49,080 --> 02:13:53,320 Strong both against the deed; then, as his host, 2230 02:13:53,440 --> 02:13:55,640 Who should against his murderer shut the door, 2231 02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:57,040 Not bear the knife myself. 2232 02:13:58,360 --> 02:13:59,360 Besides... 2233 02:14:01,280 --> 02:14:02,280 ..this Duncan 2234 02:14:02,400 --> 02:14:04,560 Hath borne his faculties so meek, hath been 2235 02:14:04,680 --> 02:14:07,480 So clear in his great office, that his virtues 2236 02:14:07,600 --> 02:14:11,920 Will plead like angels, trumpet-tongued, against 2237 02:14:12,040 --> 02:14:15,360 The deep damnation of his taking-off; 2238 02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:19,480 And pity, like a naked new-born babe, 2239 02:14:19,600 --> 02:14:23,440 Striding the blast, or heaven's cherubim, horsed 2240 02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:26,000 Upon the sightless couriers of the air, 2241 02:14:26,120 --> 02:14:29,000 Will blow the horrid deed in every eye, 2242 02:14:29,120 --> 02:14:34,600 That tears will drown the wind. 2243 02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:38,040 I have no spur 2244 02:14:38,160 --> 02:14:43,760 To prick the sides of my intent, but only Vaulting ambition... 2245 02:14:44,920 --> 02:14:47,960 ..which o'erleaps itself and falls on the other. 2246 02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:56,080 Is this a dagger 2247 02:14:56,200 --> 02:15:01,080 which I see before me, The handle toward my hand? 2248 02:15:01,200 --> 02:15:02,360 Come... 2249 02:15:05,240 --> 02:15:06,680 ..let me clutch thee. 2250 02:15:08,720 --> 02:15:09,720 I have thee not... 2251 02:15:11,600 --> 02:15:12,680 ..and yet I see thee still. 2252 02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:16,200 Art thou not, fatal vision, sensible To feeling as to sight? 2253 02:15:16,320 --> 02:15:18,960 Or art thou but A dagger of the mind, a false creation, 2254 02:15:19,080 --> 02:15:21,920 Proceeding from the heat-oppressed brain? 2255 02:15:24,600 --> 02:15:30,400 I see thee still, in form as palpable As this which now I draw. 2256 02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:34,600 Thou sure and firm-set earth, Hear not my steps, 2257 02:15:34,720 --> 02:15:39,840 which way they walk, for fear Thy very stones prate of my whereabout, 2258 02:15:39,960 --> 02:15:44,600 And take this present horror from the time, which now suits with it. 2259 02:15:44,720 --> 02:15:47,280 I go, and it is done. 2260 02:15:47,400 --> 02:15:49,160 (BELL TOLLS) 2261 02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:50,720 The bell invites me. 2262 02:15:52,240 --> 02:15:57,080 Hear it not, Duncan; for it is a knell That summons thee to heaven or to hell. 2263 02:16:05,240 --> 02:16:07,080 We have scotch'd the snake... 2264 02:16:09,760 --> 02:16:11,120 ..not kill'd it! 2265 02:16:14,720 --> 02:16:18,600 She'll close and be herself... 2266 02:16:21,120 --> 02:16:25,240 ..whilst our poor malice Remains in danger of her former tooth. 2267 02:16:25,360 --> 02:16:30,640 But let the frame of things disjoint, and both the worlds suffer, 2268 02:16:30,760 --> 02:16:33,920 Ere we will eat our meal in fear... 2269 02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:39,480 ..and sleep in the affliction of these terrible dreams 2270 02:16:39,600 --> 02:16:42,480 That shake us nightly: better be with the dead, 2271 02:16:42,600 --> 02:16:45,160 Whom we, to gain our peace, have sent to peace, 2272 02:16:45,279 --> 02:16:50,760 Than on the torture of the mind to lie In restless ecstasy. 2273 02:16:50,880 --> 02:16:53,000 Duncan's in his grave; 2274 02:16:53,119 --> 02:16:58,799 After life's fitful fever he sleeps well. 2275 02:16:58,920 --> 02:17:00,480 Nor steel, nor poison, 2276 02:17:00,600 --> 02:17:06,360 Malice domestic, foreign levy, nothing, Can touch him further. 2277 02:17:13,560 --> 02:17:16,160 I have almost forgot the taste of fears. 2278 02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:22,320 The time has been, my senses would have cool'd 2279 02:17:22,439 --> 02:17:25,959 To hear a night-shriek; and my fell of hair 2280 02:17:26,080 --> 02:17:32,639 Would at a dismal treatise rouse and stir As life were in't: 2281 02:17:32,760 --> 02:17:37,959 I have supp'd full with horrors; 2282 02:17:38,080 --> 02:17:42,200 Direness, familiar to my slaughterous thoughts 2283 02:17:42,320 --> 02:17:46,279 Cannot once start me. 2284 02:17:51,119 --> 02:17:53,200 Wherefore was that cry? 2285 02:17:54,920 --> 02:17:57,200 The queen, my lord, is dead. 2286 02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:11,119 She should have died...hereafter. 2287 02:18:12,799 --> 02:18:16,400 There would have been a time for such a word. 2288 02:18:20,560 --> 02:18:22,000 To-morrow... 2289 02:18:24,880 --> 02:18:32,520 and to-morrow, and to-morrow... 2290 02:18:33,720 --> 02:18:37,360 Creeps in this petty pace 2291 02:18:37,480 --> 02:18:39,799 from day to day 2292 02:18:39,920 --> 02:18:43,119 To the last syllable of recorded time, 2293 02:18:43,240 --> 02:18:49,639 And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. 2294 02:18:49,760 --> 02:18:52,240 Out, out... 2295 02:18:54,279 --> 02:18:56,720 ..brief candle! 2296 02:19:01,160 --> 02:19:06,240 Life's but a walking shadow... 2297 02:19:09,480 --> 02:19:11,160 ..a poor player... 2298 02:19:13,279 --> 02:19:17,320 ..that struts and frets his hour upon the stage 2299 02:19:17,439 --> 02:19:21,320 And then is heard no more: it is a tale 2300 02:19:21,439 --> 02:19:23,880 Told by an idiot, 2301 02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:26,959 full of sound and fury, 2302 02:19:27,080 --> 02:19:29,600 Signifying... 2303 02:19:29,720 --> 02:19:32,720 nothing. 2304 02:19:38,840 --> 02:19:41,320 Our revels now are ended. 2305 02:19:41,439 --> 02:19:44,360 These our actors, As I foretold you... 2306 02:19:45,840 --> 02:19:51,240 ..were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air. 2307 02:19:53,800 --> 02:19:57,600 And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, 2308 02:19:57,720 --> 02:19:59,920 The cloud-capp'd towers... 2309 02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:04,279 ..the gorgeous palaces, 2310 02:20:04,400 --> 02:20:08,800 The solemn temples, the great globe itself, 2311 02:20:08,920 --> 02:20:12,360 Ye all which it inherit... 2312 02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:18,720 ..shall dissolve. 2313 02:20:23,360 --> 02:20:25,800 And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, 2314 02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:29,600 Leave not a rack behind. 2315 02:20:29,720 --> 02:20:31,760 We are such stuff... 2316 02:20:33,920 --> 02:20:37,240 ..As dreams are made on. 2317 02:20:42,279 --> 02:20:47,080 And our little life Is rounded with a sleep. 2318 02:20:58,240 --> 02:21:00,840 [APPLAUSE] 2319 02:21:12,360 --> 02:21:15,480 [CHEERING] 2320 02:21:24,480 --> 02:21:27,320 [CHEERING CONTINUES] 2321 02:21:36,320 --> 02:21:37,960 Thank you. 2322 02:21:49,560 --> 02:21:51,960 How does he remember all those words? 2323 02:21:52,080 --> 02:21:54,400 [LAUGHTER] 2324 02:21:58,040 --> 02:22:01,480 It's astonishing, but most plays were written 2325 02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:04,360 not by one person but by a group. 2326 02:22:05,480 --> 02:22:07,840 A team. How could that be? 2327 02:22:07,960 --> 02:22:12,480 Well, I used to think... and then I did Coronation Street. 2328 02:22:12,600 --> 02:22:14,800 Ten episodes, and each episode was written 2329 02:22:14,920 --> 02:22:18,720 by a different screenplay writer, and you could not tell. Well, I couldn't. 2330 02:22:19,800 --> 02:22:22,040 So it can be done. 2331 02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:26,920 And one of the plays that Shakespeare contributed a speech to 2332 02:22:27,040 --> 02:22:31,640 was called Sir Thomas More. And the speech is special, and not just for what it said. 2333 02:22:31,760 --> 02:22:33,160 But because... 2334 02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:36,960 ..you can see it in his own handwriting. 2335 02:22:37,080 --> 02:22:40,680 Uniquely, of all his works, plays, poems, 2336 02:22:40,800 --> 02:22:44,640 the only speech that we have in his actual manuscript... 2337 02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:47,600 ..is this one from Sir Thomas More. 2338 02:22:47,720 --> 02:22:50,920 And you can see it in London at the British Library. 2339 02:22:51,040 --> 02:22:53,960 It's on permanent display. 2340 02:22:54,880 --> 02:22:56,760 And Thomas More's a lucky play for me, 2341 02:22:56,880 --> 02:23:00,560 because it wasn't performed during Shakespeare's lifetime. 2342 02:23:00,680 --> 02:23:02,360 I suppose with a Catholic martyr, 2343 02:23:02,480 --> 02:23:04,640 Sir Thomas, as the hero, 2344 02:23:04,760 --> 02:23:06,439 perhaps the Protestant authorities 2345 02:23:06,560 --> 02:23:08,560 wouldn't have quite approved. 2346 02:23:08,680 --> 02:23:11,920 And so it had to wait till the 20th century, 1964, 2347 02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:16,960 for the first public performance. 2348 02:23:17,080 --> 02:23:20,400 This was in Nottingham at the Playhouse, and... 2349 02:23:21,800 --> 02:23:24,600 ..I was in the company and they cast me as Sir Thomas More. 2350 02:23:24,720 --> 02:23:27,960 So you're looking perhaps at the last actor who will ever be able to say 2351 02:23:28,080 --> 02:23:30,520 I created a part by William Shakespeare. 2352 02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:32,840 [APPLAUSE] 2353 02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:38,880 So the plot of the play is taken from real life. 2354 02:23:39,000 --> 02:23:42,560 The Apprentice Boys of London are out on the town, 2355 02:23:42,680 --> 02:23:44,880 shouting the odds. They're demonstrating just around the corner 2356 02:23:45,000 --> 02:23:46,800 in what is now Trafalgar Square, 2357 02:23:46,920 --> 02:23:50,680 and they're complaining about the immigrants in London. 2358 02:23:51,200 --> 02:23:53,880 Usual complaint about foreigners โ€• they take our jobs. 2359 02:23:54,000 --> 02:23:56,320 They wear odd clothes, they eat odd food. 2360 02:23:56,439 --> 02:23:57,920 Better send them back wherever they came from. 2361 02:23:58,040 --> 02:24:00,560 And that is the cry โ€• remove the strangers. 2362 02:24:00,680 --> 02:24:03,439 And Thomas More, who's a lawyer, is set out by the authorities... 2363 02:24:03,560 --> 02:24:06,920 sent out by the authorities to put down the riot, 2364 02:24:07,040 --> 02:24:08,040 which he does in two ways. 2365 02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:11,320 One by reading them the Riot Act. 2366 02:24:12,040 --> 02:24:13,760 And then with an appeal to humanity, 2367 02:24:13,880 --> 02:24:18,240 which you might think not inappropriate 400 years on. 2368 02:24:19,400 --> 02:24:20,960 So, now, the crowd.... 2369 02:24:21,080 --> 02:24:23,200 Would you be the crowd? 2370 02:24:23,320 --> 02:24:24,840 Shouting "Remove the strangers!" 2371 02:24:25,800 --> 02:24:27,880 AUDIENCE: Remove the strangers! 2372 02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:29,880 Remove the strangers! 2373 02:24:30,000 --> 02:24:33,800 Grant them removed, and grant that this your noise 2374 02:24:33,920 --> 02:24:37,560 Hath chid down all the majesty of England. 2375 02:24:41,800 --> 02:24:42,800 Imagine... 2376 02:24:45,600 --> 02:24:47,840 ..that you see the wretched strangers, 2377 02:24:47,960 --> 02:24:51,360 Their babies at their backs with their poor luggage, 2378 02:24:51,480 --> 02:24:56,040 Plodding to th' ports and coasts for transportation, 2379 02:24:56,160 --> 02:24:59,560 And that you sit as kings in your desires, 2380 02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:02,279 Authority quite silenced by your brawl, 2381 02:25:02,400 --> 02:25:05,920 And you in ruff of your opinions clothed; 2382 02:25:06,040 --> 02:25:10,320 What had you got? I'll tell you: you had taught 2383 02:25:10,439 --> 02:25:14,360 How insolence and strong hand should prevail, 2384 02:25:14,480 --> 02:25:17,760 How order should be quelled; and by this pattern 2385 02:25:17,880 --> 02:25:20,360 Not one of you should live an aged man, 2386 02:25:20,480 --> 02:25:23,200 For other ruffians, as their fancies wrought, 2387 02:25:23,320 --> 02:25:27,400 With self same hand, self reasons, and self right, 2388 02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:29,640 Would shark on you. 2389 02:25:31,040 --> 02:25:35,880 And men like ravenous fishes Feed on one another. 2390 02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:38,720 You'll put down strangers... 2391 02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:42,400 Kill them. 2392 02:25:43,480 --> 02:25:45,800 Cut their throats. 2393 02:25:47,760 --> 02:25:52,119 And lead the majesty of law in line, To slip him like a hound. 2394 02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:56,400 O, desperate as you are wash your foul minds with tears, 2395 02:25:56,520 --> 02:26:00,800 And those same hands that you like the rebels lift against the peace, 2396 02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:02,480 Lift up for peace 2397 02:26:02,600 --> 02:26:07,880 And your unreverent knees make them your feet to kneel to be forgiven 2398 02:26:08,000 --> 02:26:11,000 And say now the king As he is clement, 2399 02:26:11,119 --> 02:26:13,360 If th' offender mourn 2400 02:26:13,480 --> 02:26:17,520 Should so much come to short of your great trespass 2401 02:26:17,640 --> 02:26:19,960 As but to banish you, 2402 02:26:20,080 --> 02:26:22,760 whither would you go? 2403 02:26:24,439 --> 02:26:28,040 What country, by the nature of your error, Should give you harbour? 2404 02:26:29,720 --> 02:26:32,600 Go you to France or Flanders, 2405 02:26:32,720 --> 02:26:35,600 To any German province, 2406 02:26:35,720 --> 02:26:37,880 Spain or Portugal, 2407 02:26:38,000 --> 02:26:40,000 Nay, anywhere that not adheres to England, 2408 02:26:40,119 --> 02:26:44,320 Why, you must needs be strangers. 2409 02:26:47,600 --> 02:26:51,400 Would you be pleased To find a nation of such barbarous temper, 2410 02:26:51,520 --> 02:26:53,680 That, breaking out in hideous violence, 2411 02:26:53,800 --> 02:26:56,200 Would not afford you an abode on earth, 2412 02:26:56,320 --> 02:26:59,439 Whet their detested knives against your throats... 2413 02:27:01,240 --> 02:27:04,439 Spurn you like dogs, and like as if that God 2414 02:27:04,560 --> 02:27:08,040 Made not nor owned not you, nor that the elements 2415 02:27:08,160 --> 02:27:12,320 Were not all appropriate to your comforts, But chartered unto them, 2416 02:27:12,439 --> 02:27:14,600 what would you think... 2417 02:27:16,480 --> 02:27:17,840 ..to be thus used? 2418 02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:22,160 This is the stranger's case. 2419 02:27:24,800 --> 02:27:28,720 And this your mountainish... 2420 02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:32,040 ..inhumanity. 2421 02:27:36,800 --> 02:27:38,840 [APPLAUSE] 2422 02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:53,560 [APPLAUSE CONTINUES] 2423 02:27:59,680 --> 02:28:01,960 [LAUGHTER] 2424 02:28:03,279 --> 02:28:05,960 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 2425 02:28:08,400 --> 02:28:10,279 (IAN CHUCKLES) 2426 02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:37,560 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE CONTINUES] 2427 02:28:43,600 --> 02:28:46,640 Why, why am I in the box?! 2428 02:28:46,760 --> 02:28:47,920 [LAUGHTER] 2429 02:28:48,040 --> 02:28:50,279 Because, as Sean said, you would like it. 2430 02:28:51,360 --> 02:28:53,320 And why am I in the box? 2431 02:28:53,439 --> 02:28:56,000 Well, I'm hiding from Alan Badel. 2432 02:28:56,119 --> 02:28:57,640 [LAUGHTER] 2433 02:28:58,360 --> 02:29:00,400 Actually, I was looking for this. 2434 02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:02,240 Whether you know it or not, 2435 02:29:02,360 --> 02:29:04,800 today we've been raising funds. 2436 02:29:04,920 --> 02:29:09,279 Money โ€• your money, you paid to get in and you paid for the brochure โ€• 2437 02:29:09,400 --> 02:29:12,560 and I hope you're going to put in my bucket something. 2438 02:29:12,680 --> 02:29:16,400 In the words of my compatriot from Ballymena, 2439 02:29:16,520 --> 02:29:18,160 the Reverend Ian Paisley... 2440 02:29:18,279 --> 02:29:20,840 (NORTHERN IRISH ACCENT) I would like a silent collection. 2441 02:29:20,960 --> 02:29:23,000 [LAUGHTER] 2442 02:29:23,119 --> 02:29:29,240 Because the causes are good ones, and today there will be more to come, but... 2443 02:29:29,360 --> 02:29:32,400 you've been raising funds for the English Touring Theatre, 2444 02:29:32,520 --> 02:29:33,680 for the National Youth Theatre, 2445 02:29:33,800 --> 02:29:38,040 that brings young people from across the country to discover the delights 2446 02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:42,480 of working on live theatre in London, and some of them can't afford to live here. 2447 02:29:42,600 --> 02:29:44,080 That's where your money will go. 2448 02:29:44,200 --> 02:29:48,080 Today you have actually made two scholarships 2449 02:29:48,200 --> 02:29:50,800 at the Welsh College of Opera and Drama, 2450 02:29:50,920 --> 02:29:53,080 and money will be going to people who work with blind people, 2451 02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:56,000 deaf people and disadvantaged... disabled people, 2452 02:29:56,119 --> 02:30:00,200 who can discover the healing joys of being involved in... 2453 02:30:01,560 --> 02:30:04,760 ..a theatre production. And at the other end of the age scale... 2454 02:30:06,119 --> 02:30:08,360 ..friends in Denville Hall, 2455 02:30:08,480 --> 02:30:12,600 where old colleagues and actors often end their days. 2456 02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:14,200 Thank you on behalf of them all. 2457 02:30:14,320 --> 02:30:16,600 And one last thing before I go. 2458 02:30:17,279 --> 02:30:18,400 Here we are. 2459 02:30:19,920 --> 02:30:25,040 Just so I remember we were all here at the Harold Pinter Theatre. 2460 02:30:25,160 --> 02:30:26,279 All right. 2461 02:30:27,480 --> 02:30:30,200 [CHEERING AND APPLAUSE] 2462 02:30:36,320 --> 02:30:38,920 [CHEERING CONTINUES] 2463 02:30:40,600 --> 02:30:41,800 Bless you! 2464 02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:46,080 Bye-bye! 2465 02:30:47,160 --> 02:30:48,520 Bye-bye. 2466 02:31:02,480 --> 02:31:05,360 (PIANO PLAYS) 2467 02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:10,840 (HUM OF CONVERSATION) 185504

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