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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,378 --> 00:00:06,006 (soft music) 2 00:00:06,047 --> 00:00:09,050 (birds chirping) 3 00:00:12,178 --> 00:00:15,765 (wind chimes ring) 4 00:00:15,807 --> 00:00:18,893 (water fountain splashes) 5 00:00:18,935 --> 00:00:21,312 - When I would go see her, 6 00:00:22,355 --> 00:00:24,232 I used to stand by her door. 7 00:00:26,234 --> 00:00:28,987 And if she was looking the other way, I would stand there. 8 00:00:29,029 --> 00:00:30,405 I'd say, "Terri, it's mommy." 9 00:00:30,447 --> 00:00:33,033 She would turn right around and look at me. 10 00:00:33,074 --> 00:00:34,784 Okay, right at me. 11 00:00:34,826 --> 00:00:36,036 And nobody believed me. 12 00:00:36,077 --> 00:00:38,038 Well, that's their problem. 13 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:41,041 (opera music) 14 00:00:41,082 --> 00:00:42,167 She was there. 15 00:00:42,208 --> 00:00:43,269 She was, she could hear me. 16 00:00:43,293 --> 00:00:45,086 She knew I loved her. 17 00:00:45,128 --> 00:00:46,588 She wanted me to be there. 18 00:00:47,422 --> 00:00:49,841 (opera music) 19 00:00:49,883 --> 00:00:51,092 Hi, sweetie! 20 00:00:52,969 --> 00:00:54,054 Hi! 21 00:00:54,095 --> 00:00:56,306 It didn't matter what was wrong, 22 00:00:56,348 --> 00:00:59,225 if she just laid there for the rest of her life. 23 00:00:59,267 --> 00:01:02,604 All I wanted to do was love her and take care of her. 24 00:01:03,772 --> 00:01:04,898 Hi, babe. 25 00:01:04,939 --> 00:01:06,566 But then, everything changed. 26 00:01:07,984 --> 00:01:10,487 - [Interviewer] You got a letter in the mail. 27 00:01:10,528 --> 00:01:12,697 Do you remember what the letter said? 28 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:14,908 - Just that they want to kill my daughter. 29 00:01:14,949 --> 00:01:16,242 (dramatic cello music) 30 00:01:16,284 --> 00:01:18,161 - [Reporter] The battle over Terri Schiavo 31 00:01:18,203 --> 00:01:19,930 has come to involve state judges, federal judges, 32 00:01:19,954 --> 00:01:21,456 the Supreme Court, the Congress, 33 00:01:21,498 --> 00:01:24,125 and even the President of the United States. 34 00:01:25,335 --> 00:01:26,646 - [Elisabeth] You have to understand 35 00:01:26,670 --> 00:01:27,921 what the fear of death is. 36 00:01:27,962 --> 00:01:29,547 What are you so afraid of? 37 00:01:29,589 --> 00:01:33,843 Why do we feel so negative and so helpless? 38 00:01:33,885 --> 00:01:35,804 We are afraid of the unknown. 39 00:01:38,306 --> 00:01:40,100 - [Speaker] God determines when life begins 40 00:01:40,141 --> 00:01:42,268 and when it ends, not anybody else. 41 00:01:42,310 --> 00:01:45,438 She's not a vegetable, and she needs to be loved! 42 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,065 Why do you want to kill her? 43 00:01:47,107 --> 00:01:49,275 - [Crowd] Let Terri live! Let Terri live! 44 00:01:50,819 --> 00:01:52,362 - [Reporter] Terri Schiavo, 45 00:01:52,404 --> 00:01:54,572 a woman that most Americans had never heard of, 46 00:01:56,241 --> 00:01:59,953 now at the center of another cultural debate in America. 47 00:01:59,994 --> 00:02:02,956 - [Protestor] This is the rise of Christian fascism! 48 00:02:02,997 --> 00:02:04,791 Let her die in peace! 49 00:02:07,293 --> 00:02:10,672 (dramatic music fades) 50 00:02:12,674 --> 00:02:15,510 (escalator whirs) 51 00:02:17,095 --> 00:02:19,681 (heels click) 52 00:02:23,351 --> 00:02:25,145 - I covered the Terri Schiavo case 53 00:02:25,186 --> 00:02:26,813 for the "Tampa Bay Times", 54 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:31,526 and it really, really resonated with everybody. 55 00:02:32,944 --> 00:02:35,989 - It seems to me like this case is starting another debate: 56 00:02:36,031 --> 00:02:38,199 When does life end? 57 00:02:38,241 --> 00:02:39,909 - We now define life 58 00:02:39,951 --> 00:02:43,913 with squiggles of electrical phenomena on pieces of paper. 59 00:02:43,955 --> 00:02:48,001 And this case shows us our own feelings about our mortality. 60 00:02:48,043 --> 00:02:49,502 We are afraid to let her go 61 00:02:49,544 --> 00:02:52,047 because we are afraid of our own mortality. 62 00:02:52,088 --> 00:02:53,506 - You know, who is to decide 63 00:02:53,548 --> 00:02:55,759 what is a good life and what's not? 64 00:02:55,800 --> 00:03:00,263 And I think that everybody has their own view on that. 65 00:03:00,305 --> 00:03:01,973 - I would never pull the plug on anybody, 66 00:03:02,015 --> 00:03:03,350 because there's always the chance 67 00:03:03,391 --> 00:03:05,393 that they might be alive again. 68 00:03:05,435 --> 00:03:07,038 Even if somebody, even if a doctor tells you 69 00:03:07,062 --> 00:03:08,688 that they won't be. 70 00:03:08,730 --> 00:03:10,583 - I think there is eventually a better life for people, 71 00:03:10,607 --> 00:03:12,692 and they need to move on to that better life. 72 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:15,570 So I believe very much in pulling the plug. 73 00:03:16,488 --> 00:03:18,573 - And so when I was writing, 74 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:21,868 I struggled a little with whether it was a right-to-die case 75 00:03:21,910 --> 00:03:23,370 or a right-to-life case. 76 00:03:23,411 --> 00:03:24,746 Totally different, but 77 00:03:26,498 --> 00:03:28,249 it was both of those things. 78 00:03:30,710 --> 00:03:33,254 (soft music) 79 00:03:34,631 --> 00:03:37,050 I first heard about Terri Schiavo back in 2000, 80 00:03:37,092 --> 00:03:38,718 when I got an anonymous tip 81 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,388 that I should go to a certain courtroom 82 00:03:41,429 --> 00:03:43,848 to see a trial that was about to start. 83 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:45,517 It was in probate court, 84 00:03:45,558 --> 00:03:47,745 which is generally people, you know, dealing with wills, 85 00:03:47,769 --> 00:03:50,563 and you know people, what happens after they die. 86 00:03:50,605 --> 00:03:53,149 So I didn't know at all what it could be. 87 00:03:53,191 --> 00:03:54,585 And so I just kind of wanted to sit down 88 00:03:54,609 --> 00:03:56,611 and just listen for a little while. 89 00:03:59,155 --> 00:04:01,282 And I had never seen anything like it. 90 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:04,828 - Terri's very difficult to take care of. 91 00:04:07,956 --> 00:04:10,250 She needs a lot of care. 92 00:04:10,291 --> 00:04:12,585 - [Anita] It was this family that was divided, 93 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:15,922 bitterly divided over this woman, Terri. 94 00:04:17,298 --> 00:04:19,342 After her accident, she couldn't talk. 95 00:04:19,384 --> 00:04:21,970 And so they were trying to basically piece together 96 00:04:22,012 --> 00:04:23,263 what she would've wanted. 97 00:04:23,304 --> 00:04:25,432 You know, it was this whole trial 98 00:04:25,473 --> 00:04:27,600 about someone who wasn't in the courtroom. 99 00:04:27,642 --> 00:04:29,519 - Have you noticed any improvement 100 00:04:29,561 --> 00:04:31,771 in Theresa Schiavo's medical condition? 101 00:04:31,813 --> 00:04:32,772 - No. 102 00:04:32,814 --> 00:04:34,607 - [Lawyer] Ever? - No. 103 00:04:34,649 --> 00:04:37,277 - [Anita] And everybody wanted to know what Terri was like. 104 00:04:37,318 --> 00:04:39,112 - I believe she understands. 105 00:04:39,154 --> 00:04:40,947 I believe that she knows that I'm there. 106 00:04:40,989 --> 00:04:44,784 - The Schindlers were positive that she was conscious, 107 00:04:44,826 --> 00:04:46,661 that she was thinking and feeling. 108 00:04:46,703 --> 00:04:49,831 - She started tracking me with her eyes. 109 00:04:49,873 --> 00:04:52,584 - But Michael Schiavo was confident that she was gone. 110 00:04:55,337 --> 00:04:57,005 - [Male Speaker] You ready to roll, Fred? 111 00:04:57,047 --> 00:04:58,006 You ready yet? 112 00:04:58,048 --> 00:04:59,424 - [Female Speaker] I am. 113 00:04:59,466 --> 00:05:00,860 - [Male Speaker] Okay, let's begin again. 114 00:05:00,884 --> 00:05:03,720 - You know, when one gets into this story, 115 00:05:03,762 --> 00:05:07,474 sometimes you lose the perspective of time. 116 00:05:07,515 --> 00:05:10,769 This has been going on for a very long time. 117 00:05:10,810 --> 00:05:11,810 - 10 years. 118 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,439 - Is there any way to express 119 00:05:15,565 --> 00:05:17,567 what these 10 years have been like for you? 120 00:05:20,362 --> 00:05:22,030 - Somebody that I loved, 121 00:05:32,916 --> 00:05:34,376 somebody that I adored, 122 00:05:36,044 --> 00:05:37,045 was taken away. 123 00:05:38,004 --> 00:05:41,549 (intense monotone music) 124 00:05:44,219 --> 00:05:46,054 Ripped out of my life. 125 00:05:48,223 --> 00:05:50,642 And to see her in this condition, 126 00:05:55,355 --> 00:05:56,398 it's awful. 127 00:05:57,899 --> 00:06:00,610 (static buzzes) 128 00:06:09,661 --> 00:06:11,162 - [Bobby] After it happened, 129 00:06:12,247 --> 00:06:13,707 I remember going to visit her 130 00:06:13,748 --> 00:06:16,167 and how emotionally upset I would get 131 00:06:16,209 --> 00:06:17,877 when I would see her like that. 132 00:06:19,254 --> 00:06:21,673 I guess when you see the movies, you see someone in a coma, 133 00:06:21,715 --> 00:06:23,299 and then the next day they wake up 134 00:06:23,341 --> 00:06:25,010 and everything, and they're fine. 135 00:06:25,051 --> 00:06:26,904 You know, I didn't understand anything about brain injury. 136 00:06:26,928 --> 00:06:28,864 So there's probably a part of me that thought that, 137 00:06:28,888 --> 00:06:31,075 "Okay, one day I'm just gonna walk in and Terri's gonna be, 138 00:06:31,099 --> 00:06:32,642 'Hey, Bobby, how you doing?'" 139 00:06:37,731 --> 00:06:40,859 And when that wasn't happening, (sniffs) 140 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:44,112 yeah, I mean, it was tough. 141 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:53,038 'Cause I knew Terri before that 142 00:06:54,581 --> 00:06:57,459 as being this fun-loving, wonderful sister. 143 00:07:03,423 --> 00:07:06,051 Growing up, we were very close. 144 00:07:07,469 --> 00:07:08,928 We were just 13 months apart. 145 00:07:08,970 --> 00:07:11,097 Some referred to that as being Irish twins. 146 00:07:11,139 --> 00:07:14,225 So Terri and I were kind of joined at the hip. 147 00:07:15,477 --> 00:07:17,145 - He followed her everywhere. 148 00:07:17,187 --> 00:07:21,107 He just followed her around all over the place. (laughs) 149 00:07:21,149 --> 00:07:22,484 We had three children. 150 00:07:23,568 --> 00:07:25,528 Terri was the oldest, 151 00:07:26,404 --> 00:07:27,489 my shy one. 152 00:07:29,616 --> 00:07:31,826 She had a couple friends, but not a lot. 153 00:07:33,244 --> 00:07:35,663 And she gained weight all the way through high school. 154 00:07:37,165 --> 00:07:38,541 - [Bobby] I remember Terri 155 00:07:38,583 --> 00:07:39,943 kind of struggling with her weight. 156 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:43,254 She kinda stayed in more, 157 00:07:43,296 --> 00:07:45,090 she liked to draw. 158 00:07:45,131 --> 00:07:46,800 She had a passion for animals. 159 00:07:46,841 --> 00:07:49,719 She would talk about wanting to work at a zoo, 160 00:07:49,761 --> 00:07:51,763 eventually becoming a veterinarian. 161 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:54,349 After she graduated high school, 162 00:07:54,391 --> 00:07:55,809 she started to lose weight 163 00:07:55,850 --> 00:07:58,395 and she just became more extroverted, 164 00:07:58,436 --> 00:07:59,896 really a different person. 165 00:08:01,022 --> 00:08:02,708 And then she was getting attention from men. 166 00:08:02,732 --> 00:08:05,026 And that's ultimately how she met Michael. 167 00:08:06,027 --> 00:08:08,697 (church music) 168 00:08:13,702 --> 00:08:15,495 She was 19 when they were engaged 169 00:08:15,537 --> 00:08:17,247 and 20 when they got married. 170 00:08:17,288 --> 00:08:20,834 When Michael asked to marry her, she was just overjoyed. 171 00:08:20,875 --> 00:08:23,461 - I, Theresa, take you, Michael, to be my husband. 172 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:24,671 I promise to be true to you 173 00:08:24,713 --> 00:08:26,673 in good times and in bad, 174 00:08:26,715 --> 00:08:28,800 in sickness and in health. 175 00:08:28,842 --> 00:08:31,344 - [Bobby] It was in Our Lady of Good Counsel, our parish. 176 00:08:31,386 --> 00:08:32,887 Michael wasn't Catholic. 177 00:08:32,929 --> 00:08:34,723 He had to get a special dispensation 178 00:08:34,764 --> 00:08:36,599 to marry Terri in the Catholic Church. 179 00:08:36,641 --> 00:08:39,310 And then there was a lot of dancing. 180 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:41,062 You know, just a typical wedding. 181 00:08:42,272 --> 00:08:45,775 ♪ Celebrate good times, come on ♪ 182 00:08:45,817 --> 00:08:48,695 (people yelling and clapping) 183 00:08:48,737 --> 00:08:51,698 ♪ We're gonna have a good time tonight ♪ 184 00:08:51,740 --> 00:08:53,283 ♪ Let's celebrate 185 00:08:53,324 --> 00:08:54,427 - I'd like to thank my mom and dad 186 00:08:54,451 --> 00:08:55,744 and Michael's mom and dad. 187 00:08:55,785 --> 00:08:57,370 We had a really good time. 188 00:08:57,412 --> 00:08:59,664 I hope everybody else had a good time. 189 00:08:59,706 --> 00:09:01,166 And what else, babe? 190 00:09:01,207 --> 00:09:02,876 - We love you both, very much. 191 00:09:02,917 --> 00:09:03,877 - Yeah. 192 00:09:03,918 --> 00:09:05,253 - Thank you. 193 00:09:05,295 --> 00:09:08,590 (lighthearted music) 194 00:09:14,095 --> 00:09:16,890 (waves crashing) 195 00:09:24,105 --> 00:09:28,026 - Terri and Mike, they were just lovely people. 196 00:09:28,902 --> 00:09:30,779 I remember they'd come in 197 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:35,825 and they'd just like laugh and giggle and have a great time. 198 00:09:37,035 --> 00:09:38,596 We'd all have a great time with each other. 199 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:41,623 You know, I could tell they were in love. 200 00:09:42,749 --> 00:09:45,627 To me, they were like Ken and Barbie. 201 00:09:46,795 --> 00:09:50,256 They decided to tie the knot and moved here 202 00:09:50,298 --> 00:09:51,925 to sunny Florida. 203 00:09:51,966 --> 00:09:55,261 They were just happy newlyweds 204 00:09:55,303 --> 00:10:00,684 that we're looking forward to (sighs) a wonderful life. 205 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:06,648 - When Terri and Michael moved down to Florida, 206 00:10:06,690 --> 00:10:08,817 that really precipitated all of us moving, 207 00:10:08,858 --> 00:10:10,735 'cause they went first, 208 00:10:10,777 --> 00:10:13,154 and now we gotta go, because she's down there. (laughs) 209 00:10:14,072 --> 00:10:16,366 (wind whipping) 210 00:10:16,408 --> 00:10:18,368 Back then, we were all so close. 211 00:10:20,161 --> 00:10:22,163 And Michael was part of the family. 212 00:10:23,206 --> 00:10:24,791 Terri was very happy. 213 00:10:24,833 --> 00:10:27,127 She kind of came into herself in Florida. 214 00:10:28,753 --> 00:10:31,756 - I did Terri's hair the day before she collapsed. 215 00:10:33,174 --> 00:10:36,928 And when it happened, I was just, I was devastated. 216 00:10:36,970 --> 00:10:40,348 Everybody was just heartbroken. 217 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:43,643 She was ready to start her life. 218 00:10:43,685 --> 00:10:46,938 (vehicles whooshing) 219 00:10:46,980 --> 00:10:49,315 - So, that was their apartment right there. 220 00:10:50,316 --> 00:10:53,278 I lived just, maybe, 221 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:56,072 I don't even think it's a quarter mile from here. 222 00:10:57,699 --> 00:11:00,910 So when I got the call, I was here within minutes. 223 00:11:00,952 --> 00:11:04,456 I just grabbed my keys and just threw a pair of shorts on 224 00:11:04,497 --> 00:11:06,458 and was here pretty fast. 225 00:11:08,043 --> 00:11:09,836 It was such a traumatic event. 226 00:11:11,004 --> 00:11:13,423 That is something you just don't forget. 227 00:11:15,467 --> 00:11:20,430 - Tell me about that night, that early morning in 1990. 228 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,350 - I was asleep, 229 00:11:23,391 --> 00:11:25,226 and I heard a thud. 230 00:11:25,268 --> 00:11:26,978 So I ran out to the hall, 231 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:28,605 jumped out of bed, ran out to the hall, 232 00:11:28,646 --> 00:11:30,690 and found Terri laying on the floor. 233 00:11:30,732 --> 00:11:32,150 I picked her up in my arms 234 00:11:32,192 --> 00:11:33,502 and I was holding her and I was shaking her. 235 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:34,903 I was like, "Terri, talk to me! 236 00:11:34,944 --> 00:11:36,863 You're scaring me! Terri, talk to me!" 237 00:11:36,905 --> 00:11:38,823 And she wouldn't respond. 238 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:41,868 Her neck and her arms and everything were just limp. 239 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:43,387 So I laid her backed down on the floor. 240 00:11:43,411 --> 00:11:45,080 I ran over and I called 911. 241 00:11:48,041 --> 00:11:49,542 - When I got to the hospital, 242 00:11:49,584 --> 00:11:51,044 the mood was very grim 243 00:11:51,086 --> 00:11:53,338 because nobody seemed to know what happened, 244 00:11:54,756 --> 00:11:56,383 other than she went into cardiac arrest. 245 00:11:57,967 --> 00:12:00,929 And she had been without oxygen for a very long time. 246 00:12:01,930 --> 00:12:03,473 It's called anoxia. 247 00:12:03,515 --> 00:12:05,850 And I remember them telling us 248 00:12:05,892 --> 00:12:08,520 that she was gonna have a significant brain injury. 249 00:12:15,318 --> 00:12:17,946 - She couldn't talk and she couldn't walk. 250 00:12:19,406 --> 00:12:20,990 But what happened to her? 251 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,244 Somebody just doesn't fall down and collapse 252 00:12:24,285 --> 00:12:25,537 without a reason. 253 00:12:27,956 --> 00:12:29,582 - They were trying to understand 254 00:12:29,624 --> 00:12:31,668 why her heart would just arbitrarily stop like that. 255 00:12:31,710 --> 00:12:34,421 So I think they were looking at 256 00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:37,382 her imbalances in her system. 257 00:12:38,675 --> 00:12:41,094 - Because her potassium level was so low, 258 00:12:41,136 --> 00:12:44,264 they thought that could have been an indication 259 00:12:44,305 --> 00:12:47,142 that there was some type of eating issue. 260 00:12:48,393 --> 00:12:49,561 I never suspected it. 261 00:12:49,602 --> 00:12:50,979 I was out with Terri a lot. 262 00:12:51,021 --> 00:12:52,939 But at the time, it sounded plausible. 263 00:12:54,315 --> 00:12:57,569 - I didn't think she had an eating disorder, 264 00:12:57,610 --> 00:12:59,237 but, 265 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:00,613 I think they, 266 00:13:00,655 --> 00:13:02,115 maybe she did? 267 00:13:02,157 --> 00:13:03,825 You know, over the years, 268 00:13:03,867 --> 00:13:06,077 she lost a significant amount of weight. 269 00:13:09,456 --> 00:13:11,458 (scissors snip) 270 00:13:11,499 --> 00:13:16,004 - When you're with a client, you're not six feet away. 271 00:13:17,422 --> 00:13:21,593 You're right up in people's face, I mean right next to 'em. 272 00:13:23,511 --> 00:13:25,431 And you're touchin' them, and it's very intimate. 273 00:13:29,517 --> 00:13:31,019 She didn't look healthy to me. 274 00:13:31,061 --> 00:13:33,730 She seemed a little bit dark around the eyes. 275 00:13:33,772 --> 00:13:36,024 I believed there was a problem there. 276 00:13:36,066 --> 00:13:38,943 But she definitely kept her secret from me. 277 00:13:38,985 --> 00:13:42,072 And I think she kept it secret from Mike too. 278 00:13:48,203 --> 00:13:49,996 - [Caregiver] It's chocolate, Terri. 279 00:13:50,038 --> 00:13:52,415 Is she much of a chocolate lover? 280 00:13:52,457 --> 00:13:55,043 - [Michael] She was more into fruity flavors. 281 00:13:56,461 --> 00:13:58,356 - [Doctor] What do you think about this, Theresa? 282 00:13:58,380 --> 00:13:59,714 (device beeps) 283 00:13:59,756 --> 00:14:03,510 Can you hear that? (device beeps) 284 00:14:03,551 --> 00:14:04,844 - [Bobby] They said that she was 285 00:14:04,886 --> 00:14:07,097 in a persistent vegetative state, PVS. 286 00:14:17,482 --> 00:14:19,484 The definition of PVS 287 00:14:19,526 --> 00:14:22,821 is no interaction, response, 288 00:14:22,862 --> 00:14:25,907 unable to communicate in any way. 289 00:14:27,784 --> 00:14:29,369 (Terri moans) 290 00:14:29,411 --> 00:14:32,372 - It's all right, relax, it'll go away. 291 00:14:32,414 --> 00:14:33,748 It'll go away. 292 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:35,375 - During that time, I just remember 293 00:14:35,417 --> 00:14:37,252 all the focus was on trying to get Terri help, 294 00:14:37,293 --> 00:14:40,171 and getting her rehab and try to improve her condition. 295 00:14:41,047 --> 00:14:42,757 (Terri moans softly) 296 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:44,718 - It'll go away, relax. 297 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:46,261 (Terri moans softly) 298 00:14:46,302 --> 00:14:47,554 - It'll go away. 299 00:14:47,595 --> 00:14:49,848 - [Bobby] It was stressful. 300 00:14:49,889 --> 00:14:52,350 You know, Michael was going through a lot. 301 00:14:52,392 --> 00:14:55,228 But he was doing just what he needed to do 302 00:14:55,270 --> 00:14:57,188 to try and help Terri get better. 303 00:14:57,230 --> 00:15:00,817 - She is young, beautiful, and trapped in a coma. 304 00:15:00,859 --> 00:15:03,153 Her only hope: experimental treatment. 305 00:15:03,194 --> 00:15:06,781 - No doctor can tell me that there's no hope. 306 00:15:06,823 --> 00:15:08,241 'Cause I know she's in there. 307 00:15:08,283 --> 00:15:10,577 She's just having problems coming out. 308 00:15:11,953 --> 00:15:14,205 - We heard about a doctor in California 309 00:15:14,247 --> 00:15:18,168 that did these brain inserts. 310 00:15:18,209 --> 00:15:20,086 - [Reporter] Doctors in California 311 00:15:20,128 --> 00:15:22,422 plant electrodes at the base of the brain of coma victims 312 00:15:22,464 --> 00:15:24,799 to stimulate damaged brain cells. 313 00:15:24,841 --> 00:15:26,176 - He brought her home. 314 00:15:26,217 --> 00:15:28,178 They had a thing that you had to turn. 315 00:15:29,346 --> 00:15:31,097 - This is the button, you push, just... 316 00:15:32,265 --> 00:15:33,892 - [Mary] And it was very complicated, 317 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:35,352 but he learned all that. 318 00:15:35,393 --> 00:15:37,854 - Now, Terri, you're supposed to sit up. 319 00:15:37,896 --> 00:15:39,230 - And walk out of here. 320 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:42,108 - He was very dedicated. 321 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:44,527 Michael was very dedicated to her. 322 00:15:44,569 --> 00:15:45,779 - Theresa, 323 00:15:45,820 --> 00:15:46,820 Theresa, 324 00:15:47,739 --> 00:15:49,199 Theresa. 325 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,036 - Michael and I, we got along very well, 326 00:15:53,078 --> 00:15:55,455 and we needed each other. 327 00:15:56,790 --> 00:15:58,541 Both of us were taking care of her. 328 00:16:00,168 --> 00:16:02,754 Michael, he would spend half the day with her. 329 00:16:02,796 --> 00:16:05,090 - I'll tell you what, see the big ducks sitting out? 330 00:16:05,131 --> 00:16:06,716 Isn't it nice out today? 331 00:16:06,758 --> 00:16:07,801 (kiss smacks) Huh? 332 00:16:07,842 --> 00:16:09,469 - Stretch up. 333 00:16:09,511 --> 00:16:13,139 Hopefully those pathways to the brain will be reestablished. 334 00:16:14,557 --> 00:16:16,935 - [Bobby] It was gonna be expensive to care for Terri, 335 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:19,896 to cover what she was gonna need to help her. 336 00:16:19,938 --> 00:16:21,940 Rehab, therapy, doctors. 337 00:16:21,981 --> 00:16:24,651 - [Doctor] Therese? Theresa? 338 00:16:24,693 --> 00:16:25,735 Can't see any 339 00:16:26,736 --> 00:16:27,736 scanning. 340 00:16:28,905 --> 00:16:30,490 - And once the insurance runs out, 341 00:16:30,532 --> 00:16:32,468 you're only provided a certain amount of days of rehab. 342 00:16:32,492 --> 00:16:35,704 Once that's exhausted, you either do it yourself, 343 00:16:35,745 --> 00:16:37,163 find a way to pay for it, 344 00:16:37,205 --> 00:16:39,332 or they gotta be put in a nursing home 345 00:16:39,374 --> 00:16:41,209 and basically get warehoused. 346 00:16:42,377 --> 00:16:45,755 So Michael filed a malpractice lawsuit 347 00:16:45,797 --> 00:16:48,633 against Terri's previous doctors, 348 00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:51,177 her family doctor and her gynecologist, 349 00:16:51,886 --> 00:16:53,263 because it was felt 350 00:16:53,304 --> 00:16:55,932 that they could have prevented her collapse. 351 00:16:55,974 --> 00:16:57,326 - [Suzanne] Terri had been seeing her doctor 352 00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:59,477 with regards to trying to get pregnant. 353 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:02,772 And the doctor should have caught her eating disorder. 354 00:17:04,399 --> 00:17:06,419 Because they should have seen her chemical imbalances 355 00:17:06,443 --> 00:17:08,653 and therefore may have been able to address that 356 00:17:08,695 --> 00:17:10,071 before anything happened. 357 00:17:11,698 --> 00:17:13,533 - [Bobby] They awarded $700,000 358 00:17:13,575 --> 00:17:16,286 that was put into a trust fund for Terri. 359 00:17:19,998 --> 00:17:21,332 That was supposed to be used 360 00:17:21,374 --> 00:17:24,377 for her care, therapy, rehabilitation. 361 00:17:24,419 --> 00:17:26,421 - But the relationship with Michael 362 00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,550 abruptly changed after the settlement came in. 363 00:17:30,592 --> 00:17:33,553 Michael felt differently about Terri's care, 364 00:17:33,595 --> 00:17:36,306 and decided that he wasn't gonna spend any more money 365 00:17:36,348 --> 00:17:38,099 on Terri's rehabilitation. 366 00:17:39,267 --> 00:17:40,935 - [Michael] Sit up. 367 00:17:40,977 --> 00:17:41,978 There you go. 368 00:17:42,020 --> 00:17:44,064 Sit up in the chair. 369 00:17:44,105 --> 00:17:45,774 Sit up in the chair. 370 00:17:45,815 --> 00:17:48,526 - [Bobby] He said that he came to the realization 371 00:17:48,568 --> 00:17:51,237 that Terri was no longer gonna improve. 372 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:53,698 He said that he was Terri's caregiver, 373 00:17:55,283 --> 00:17:57,118 he'll be making decisions, 374 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,971 and he basically informed my parents at that time 375 00:17:58,995 --> 00:18:01,247 that they were no longer gonna be part of the, 376 00:18:01,289 --> 00:18:03,291 her care moving forward. 377 00:18:06,544 --> 00:18:07,563 - [Interviewer] What happened? 378 00:18:07,587 --> 00:18:08,880 What changed your mind? 379 00:18:10,465 --> 00:18:12,592 - For four years, I thought she was in there. 380 00:18:13,551 --> 00:18:14,844 I believed she knew me. 381 00:18:16,221 --> 00:18:18,139 And then she needed to get an EEG done. 382 00:18:19,474 --> 00:18:21,476 So I took her to another neurologist. 383 00:18:21,518 --> 00:18:23,687 He did the EEG on Terri. 384 00:18:23,728 --> 00:18:27,941 And after the EEG was done, he pulled me into his office, 385 00:18:27,982 --> 00:18:30,443 and he sat me down and he looked me right in the face. 386 00:18:30,485 --> 00:18:31,820 And he told me, 387 00:18:32,696 --> 00:18:34,406 "She died four years ago." 388 00:18:35,573 --> 00:18:38,910 (discordant music) 389 00:18:38,952 --> 00:18:41,538 I exhausted everything I could do for Terri. 390 00:18:43,581 --> 00:18:47,585 Doctor after doctor after doctor, and all of the rehab. 391 00:18:51,256 --> 00:18:53,758 The brain stimulator did not work. 392 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,469 I had a meeting with all the doctors, 393 00:18:56,511 --> 00:18:58,805 and they said that this is Terri. 394 00:18:58,847 --> 00:19:01,016 There's nothing more they can do for her. 395 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,770 Then it was starting to sink in. 396 00:19:05,812 --> 00:19:08,523 Terri will never be Terri, ever again. 397 00:19:11,151 --> 00:19:13,778 (opera music) 398 00:19:18,199 --> 00:19:19,075 - [Mary] What? 399 00:19:19,117 --> 00:19:21,077 (Terri moans) 400 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,079 - [Mary] What, baby? 401 00:19:23,121 --> 00:19:24,247 What? 402 00:19:24,289 --> 00:19:25,665 - You know, we didn't know 403 00:19:25,707 --> 00:19:28,251 what Michael was doing or not doing for Terri. 404 00:19:28,293 --> 00:19:29,669 We just knew that 405 00:19:29,711 --> 00:19:32,297 we weren't gonna be part of his life anymore. 406 00:19:32,339 --> 00:19:34,007 And then everything changed. 407 00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:38,136 In 1997, when my parents received the letter. 408 00:19:46,436 --> 00:19:48,438 - We knew that Michael didn't believe 409 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:49,981 Terri could get any better. 410 00:19:51,524 --> 00:19:55,487 But we were totally blindsided by that letter. 411 00:19:56,321 --> 00:19:58,031 It was from Michael's attorney. 412 00:19:58,990 --> 00:20:00,367 The gist of it was 413 00:20:00,408 --> 00:20:03,453 Michael wanted to remove Terri's feeding tube. 414 00:20:03,495 --> 00:20:05,163 - This portion of the tube 415 00:20:05,205 --> 00:20:08,083 is actually in the patient's body, going into the stomach. 416 00:20:08,124 --> 00:20:12,754 And then this end is attached to the feed, like this. 417 00:20:14,130 --> 00:20:17,008 - [Bobby] Terri, she wasn't able to swallow food. 418 00:20:17,050 --> 00:20:19,678 So the feeding tube was keeping her alive. 419 00:20:19,719 --> 00:20:22,972 And Michael was trying to actively end Terri's life, 420 00:20:23,014 --> 00:20:24,014 to kill her. 421 00:20:25,058 --> 00:20:27,185 - That's when we knew it was gonna go to court. 422 00:20:29,354 --> 00:20:30,814 That was it. 423 00:20:30,855 --> 00:20:32,607 We never spoke to him again. 424 00:20:33,983 --> 00:20:35,944 And I still haven't spoke to him, to this day. 425 00:20:38,863 --> 00:20:42,826 (wind whooshes) (duck quacks) 426 00:20:42,867 --> 00:20:47,831 - In our society, there's such an underlying fear of death, 427 00:20:49,207 --> 00:20:52,502 fear of extinguishment. 428 00:20:52,544 --> 00:20:56,047 It's so deeply rooted in our culture. 429 00:20:56,089 --> 00:20:57,549 It triggers 430 00:20:57,590 --> 00:21:00,760 such strong reactions 431 00:21:00,802 --> 00:21:01,970 among 432 00:21:02,012 --> 00:21:03,012 so many. 433 00:21:04,389 --> 00:21:09,269 And I think this case helped bring those fears to light. 434 00:21:10,645 --> 00:21:12,522 - The Bible says, "Dust thou art, 435 00:21:12,564 --> 00:21:14,858 and unto dust shalt thou return." 436 00:21:14,899 --> 00:21:17,694 The basic fact of life is that it ends. 437 00:21:17,736 --> 00:21:20,530 - [George] Right to die is a moniker 438 00:21:20,572 --> 00:21:22,574 for the legal right 439 00:21:22,615 --> 00:21:25,702 to refuse medical treatment 440 00:21:25,744 --> 00:21:27,287 that you no longer want. 441 00:21:28,663 --> 00:21:30,123 - There was nothing else we could do. 442 00:21:30,165 --> 00:21:31,499 We did what we had to do. 443 00:21:31,541 --> 00:21:33,168 - [George] It started in the '70s, 444 00:21:33,209 --> 00:21:37,297 and the initial cases were ventilator cases. 445 00:21:37,339 --> 00:21:38,965 (ventilator whirs) 446 00:21:39,007 --> 00:21:42,052 There's a machine that is providing respiration. 447 00:21:42,093 --> 00:21:45,055 And the courts agreed, "Yeah, that's a medical treatment, 448 00:21:45,096 --> 00:21:46,765 and can be withdrawn." 449 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,059 It's literally, pull the plug. 450 00:21:49,100 --> 00:21:51,436 The electricity stops. 451 00:21:51,478 --> 00:21:52,937 No more breathing. 452 00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:57,067 And then, you had the feeding tube cases in the '80s. 453 00:21:57,108 --> 00:21:58,818 - Take out Satan's kingdom today, Lord. 454 00:21:58,860 --> 00:22:00,445 - In the name of Jesus! 455 00:22:00,487 --> 00:22:01,863 - Oh, Jesus, by Thy mighty power- 456 00:22:01,905 --> 00:22:03,505 - [George] People were more uncomfortable 457 00:22:03,531 --> 00:22:06,034 with the feeding tube cases. 458 00:22:06,076 --> 00:22:08,703 There's no machine, there's no plug; 459 00:22:08,745 --> 00:22:10,622 just a tube, hanging on a pole. 460 00:22:11,956 --> 00:22:15,585 I handled Florida's seminal right-to-die case. 461 00:22:15,627 --> 00:22:17,253 Until that case, 462 00:22:17,295 --> 00:22:20,131 it was virtually impossible to remove a feeding tube 463 00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:22,175 in the state of Florida. 464 00:22:22,217 --> 00:22:27,222 So I got to be known as the right-to-die expert, 465 00:22:27,263 --> 00:22:28,390 if you like. 466 00:22:28,431 --> 00:22:30,600 That's why Michael came to me 467 00:22:30,642 --> 00:22:33,186 and he explained the family dispute. 468 00:22:34,521 --> 00:22:38,650 So sure, I knew it would be a tough case, 469 00:22:39,651 --> 00:22:42,070 but I had no idea whatsoever 470 00:22:42,112 --> 00:22:44,322 it would turn into the case that it did. 471 00:22:45,657 --> 00:22:47,051 - Okay, listen up, this is a tough question. 472 00:22:47,075 --> 00:22:49,994 Could you decide if a loved one lives or dies? 473 00:22:50,036 --> 00:22:52,789 A bay area family is having to do just that. 474 00:22:52,831 --> 00:22:54,958 - It's now up to a Pinellas circuit judge 475 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,835 to decide the woman's fate. 476 00:22:58,461 --> 00:23:00,839 (waves lapping) 477 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,509 - Terri Schiavo had no advanced directives. 478 00:23:04,551 --> 00:23:08,138 So she had no living will, she had no healthcare surrogate. 479 00:23:08,179 --> 00:23:12,267 There was nothing in writing to tell anybody 480 00:23:12,308 --> 00:23:15,895 what she wanted done if something like this occurred. 481 00:23:17,689 --> 00:23:20,358 She was 26 when she went into cardiac arrest. 482 00:23:22,152 --> 00:23:25,447 And the basic question was: What would she want? 483 00:23:26,865 --> 00:23:28,950 - Michael had the legal authority 484 00:23:28,992 --> 00:23:32,787 to remove the feeding tube under Florida law, 485 00:23:34,205 --> 00:23:36,332 but only if there's clear and convincing evidence 486 00:23:36,374 --> 00:23:37,876 of the patient's intent. 487 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,339 - So Michael, he had to somehow formulate 488 00:23:42,380 --> 00:23:46,676 some type of evidence and present to the court 489 00:23:46,718 --> 00:23:48,136 that Terri had said 490 00:23:48,178 --> 00:23:50,889 that if she was ever in a condition like this, 491 00:23:51,723 --> 00:23:53,391 that she would want to die. 492 00:23:54,726 --> 00:23:56,811 - In October of '85, we flew down here. 493 00:23:56,853 --> 00:23:58,372 - [Bobby] So this was from Michael's testimony. 494 00:23:58,396 --> 00:24:00,065 I'm reading it. 495 00:24:00,106 --> 00:24:02,484 She said, "If I ever have to be a burden to anybody, 496 00:24:04,944 --> 00:24:07,364 I don't want to live like that." 497 00:24:09,282 --> 00:24:14,496 Well, (chuckles) Michael was making this up. 498 00:24:15,163 --> 00:24:16,122 He lied. 499 00:24:16,164 --> 00:24:17,164 It's that simple. 500 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:20,394 - [Reporter] A judge will soon decide 501 00:24:20,418 --> 00:24:22,545 if a Clearwater woman should live or die. 502 00:24:22,587 --> 00:24:25,382 Her husband is fighting to get her feeding tube removed, 503 00:24:25,423 --> 00:24:27,967 but the woman's parents- - When you make a ruling, 504 00:24:28,843 --> 00:24:30,178 you need to get a sense about 505 00:24:30,220 --> 00:24:32,555 whether or not a person is believable. 506 00:24:32,597 --> 00:24:34,224 Michael had a conflict. 507 00:24:34,265 --> 00:24:35,642 - If Terri does die, 508 00:24:35,684 --> 00:24:38,520 her husband would stand to inherit $700,000 509 00:24:38,561 --> 00:24:40,897 from a medical malpractice settlement. 510 00:24:40,939 --> 00:24:43,692 - [Judge Greer] So I was reluctant to base a decision 511 00:24:43,733 --> 00:24:46,027 solely on what Michael had to say. 512 00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:49,406 - Terri had made the mention that, you know, 513 00:24:49,447 --> 00:24:53,118 she would never want to be kept alive like that. 514 00:24:53,159 --> 00:24:54,452 - [Judge Greer] But at the trial, 515 00:24:54,494 --> 00:24:56,121 Michael's brother testified, 516 00:24:56,162 --> 00:24:57,872 and he backed up what Michael said. 517 00:24:57,914 --> 00:25:00,333 - Why prolong that person's agony? 518 00:25:01,918 --> 00:25:03,437 - I think most people don't want to be kept alive 519 00:25:03,461 --> 00:25:04,921 until the second coming. 520 00:25:04,963 --> 00:25:07,340 "If there's no hope of recovery, let me go." 521 00:25:08,299 --> 00:25:10,051 The story was credible. 522 00:25:10,802 --> 00:25:12,512 And I was persuaded 523 00:25:12,554 --> 00:25:14,431 beyond any real doubt 524 00:25:14,472 --> 00:25:16,182 that that was her wish. 525 00:25:20,645 --> 00:25:23,023 - When Judge Greer ruled in Michael's favor, 526 00:25:24,482 --> 00:25:26,109 we were just, 527 00:25:26,151 --> 00:25:28,004 I think we were all just kind of in shock at first. 528 00:25:28,028 --> 00:25:30,447 We were all just kind of like, "What just happened?" 529 00:25:30,488 --> 00:25:33,950 - [Reporter] Do you believe Terri did make these comments 530 00:25:35,368 --> 00:25:37,996 about not wanting to live that way, to go on that way? 531 00:25:39,164 --> 00:25:41,416 - I don't think she ever said those comments. 532 00:25:41,458 --> 00:25:43,298 I knew my sister a lot longer than her husband, 533 00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:46,171 and I just don't believe she ever made 534 00:25:46,212 --> 00:25:49,132 those type of statements, no way. 535 00:25:49,174 --> 00:25:50,818 - [Reporter] What is your hope and your wish 536 00:25:50,842 --> 00:25:52,135 right now, Bobby? 537 00:25:52,177 --> 00:25:57,307 - Right now I'm just... (cries softly) 538 00:25:57,891 --> 00:25:59,684 (gentle music) 539 00:25:59,726 --> 00:26:03,480 (camera shutters click) 540 00:26:03,521 --> 00:26:05,315 (birds chirp) 541 00:26:05,357 --> 00:26:07,084 - [Reporter] Last week, Terri Schiavo was moved 542 00:26:07,108 --> 00:26:08,526 from a nursing home in Largo 543 00:26:08,568 --> 00:26:10,945 to a hospice in Pinellas Park. 544 00:26:10,987 --> 00:26:12,757 - [Reporter] A feeding tube will be disconnected 545 00:26:12,781 --> 00:26:15,825 from Terri Schiavo at the end of the month. 546 00:26:15,867 --> 00:26:17,410 - At hospice, our purpose 547 00:26:17,452 --> 00:26:20,955 is to help families and friends of someone who is dying 548 00:26:21,873 --> 00:26:24,542 to have a peaceful, comfortable, 549 00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:27,754 exquisite but painful experience 550 00:26:27,796 --> 00:26:30,256 to be with their loved one when they pass over. 551 00:26:31,216 --> 00:26:33,093 You know, hospice is a movement 552 00:26:33,134 --> 00:26:36,888 that really started in the late '70s and early '80s. 553 00:26:37,889 --> 00:26:40,183 - It's a very different kind of dying 554 00:26:40,225 --> 00:26:42,143 than being in an intensive care unit, 555 00:26:42,185 --> 00:26:44,062 hooked up on tubes and respirators 556 00:26:44,104 --> 00:26:46,189 and monitors and machines. 557 00:26:46,231 --> 00:26:48,692 We have become experts at keeping people alive, 558 00:26:48,733 --> 00:26:53,488 because our approach to life is so completely not realistic. 559 00:26:53,530 --> 00:26:55,740 - [Annie] Our relationship to death in this country 560 00:26:55,782 --> 00:26:57,617 has been skewed. 561 00:26:57,659 --> 00:26:59,661 People don't think about dying. 562 00:26:59,703 --> 00:27:02,539 They think there's always gonna be some technology 563 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:03,665 to keep them alive. 564 00:27:05,250 --> 00:27:08,545 But in hospice, in addition to medical support, 565 00:27:08,586 --> 00:27:12,507 spirituality is an intentional part of the care model. 566 00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:13,883 - It worries me. 567 00:27:13,925 --> 00:27:15,552 - [Annie] Counseling and listening 568 00:27:15,593 --> 00:27:16,928 is part of the care model. 569 00:27:16,970 --> 00:27:19,889 - What does dying mean to you? 570 00:27:19,931 --> 00:27:22,392 - [Annie] Michael was a young man at that time, 571 00:27:22,434 --> 00:27:26,312 and I can't imagine the burden this was for him. 572 00:27:26,354 --> 00:27:28,606 And I said, "Well, you're a good person 573 00:27:28,648 --> 00:27:30,316 to be doing what you're doing. 574 00:27:30,358 --> 00:27:33,486 You know, if it was me, I'd want the same thing." 575 00:27:33,528 --> 00:27:34,904 - In hospice, 576 00:27:34,946 --> 00:27:38,783 the goal is to help their passage 577 00:27:38,825 --> 00:27:42,120 be as peaceful as possible, 578 00:27:43,288 --> 00:27:46,374 and to help the family accept what's happening. 579 00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:49,979 - [Reporter] In Florida, a feeding tube was removed 580 00:27:50,003 --> 00:27:52,672 from Terri Schiavo, a woman who's been in a coma 581 00:27:52,714 --> 00:27:54,591 for more than 11 years. 582 00:27:54,632 --> 00:27:57,552 Doctors expect her to die within two weeks. 583 00:27:57,594 --> 00:27:59,721 (fountain gurgles) 584 00:27:59,763 --> 00:28:01,306 - We went to visit Terri. 585 00:28:01,348 --> 00:28:03,308 The feeding tube had been removed, 586 00:28:05,101 --> 00:28:07,312 and I think it was that day we left 587 00:28:08,688 --> 00:28:11,691 when my dad got a call from a Bay News 9 reporter. 588 00:28:14,694 --> 00:28:16,363 So we stopped. 589 00:28:16,404 --> 00:28:18,114 - We're now talking with Bob Schindler, 590 00:28:18,156 --> 00:28:20,158 father of Terri Schiavo. 591 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,036 First of all, Bob, you were at Terri's bedside. 592 00:28:23,078 --> 00:28:24,638 - [Bobby] And I remember I was standing there, 593 00:28:24,662 --> 00:28:26,039 watching the interview, 594 00:28:26,081 --> 00:28:27,475 and the reporter asked my dad how he felt 595 00:28:27,499 --> 00:28:30,251 about everything that's going on with Terri. 596 00:28:30,293 --> 00:28:32,337 - [Reporter] Tell us how you're feeling right now. 597 00:28:32,379 --> 00:28:35,382 - As a family, our concern now is Terri, 598 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,385 and we're focusing on Terri. 599 00:28:38,426 --> 00:28:42,430 And she has a tough couple weeks ahead of her. 600 00:28:42,472 --> 00:28:44,116 - [Reporter] How was your visit today with her? 601 00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:45,225 Any different? 602 00:28:46,184 --> 00:28:48,436 - Same, really the same thing. 603 00:28:48,478 --> 00:28:52,232 But naturally, we felt a lot different. 604 00:28:52,273 --> 00:28:53,650 - [Reporter] What will it be like 605 00:28:53,692 --> 00:28:55,026 for you and your family the next- 606 00:28:55,068 --> 00:28:56,903 - [Bobby] Now my dad, he's a strong guy. 607 00:28:56,945 --> 00:28:58,571 But you know, he was a father, 608 00:28:58,613 --> 00:29:02,826 and he wants nothing but to protect his daughter from harm. 609 00:29:02,867 --> 00:29:04,828 And he's being told, "You can't. 610 00:29:04,869 --> 00:29:06,287 You can't do a damn thing. 611 00:29:06,329 --> 00:29:07,914 And not only can't you do anything, 612 00:29:07,956 --> 00:29:09,708 you're gonna sit back and watch her die." 613 00:29:11,126 --> 00:29:13,253 - So it's a horrible thing, it really is. 614 00:29:13,294 --> 00:29:17,507 And you never expect your child to die before you do, 615 00:29:17,549 --> 00:29:21,845 let alone the way that they're gonna kill her. 616 00:29:21,886 --> 00:29:24,389 So that part of it is, it's tough. 617 00:29:24,431 --> 00:29:26,891 And I say it again and I'll say it again, 618 00:29:26,933 --> 00:29:28,184 please pray for her. 619 00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:31,980 And say one from Michael Schiavo, too. 620 00:29:32,022 --> 00:29:35,316 I'm sure he deserves our prayers. 621 00:29:37,402 --> 00:29:38,945 - [Reporter] Can you understand how 622 00:29:38,987 --> 00:29:41,114 her parents see their child, 623 00:29:42,907 --> 00:29:46,036 and want nothing else but a miracle? 624 00:29:46,077 --> 00:29:47,746 Can you understand that feeling? 625 00:29:50,582 --> 00:29:52,834 - I certainly can. 626 00:29:52,876 --> 00:29:54,210 I am not a parent, 627 00:29:55,587 --> 00:29:58,590 and I'm sure it's horrible for a parent to lose a child. 628 00:30:00,175 --> 00:30:05,138 But Mr. and Mr. Schindler, they've had 10 years to grieve. 629 00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:06,889 They talk miracles. 630 00:30:09,851 --> 00:30:11,353 God wanted to create a miracle, 631 00:30:11,394 --> 00:30:13,980 he would've done it a long time ago. 632 00:30:14,022 --> 00:30:16,816 (staccato music) 633 00:30:18,109 --> 00:30:20,236 (wind chimes ring) 634 00:30:20,278 --> 00:30:22,113 - They had taken the feeding tube out 635 00:30:22,155 --> 00:30:24,074 and it seemed like the end 636 00:30:24,115 --> 00:30:27,410 of this really long, drawn-out saga. 637 00:30:27,452 --> 00:30:29,371 - [Reporter] ...ends a long legal battle 638 00:30:29,412 --> 00:30:31,915 between Schiavo's husband, Michael, and her parents. 639 00:30:31,956 --> 00:30:33,583 - And she was gonna die. 640 00:30:33,625 --> 00:30:37,629 But we had no idea what was about to happen. 641 00:30:39,964 --> 00:30:41,275 - [Radio Host] Right now at Tampa, 68, 642 00:30:41,299 --> 00:30:42,967 St. Pete/Clearwater at 69, 643 00:30:43,009 --> 00:30:45,220 and on your radio, it's always 100.7 FM. 644 00:30:46,513 --> 00:30:48,223 Phone lines are already busy tonight, 645 00:30:48,264 --> 00:30:49,974 so if you're headed home from work 646 00:30:50,016 --> 00:30:51,619 and you have any comments wanna give us... 647 00:30:51,643 --> 00:30:54,688 - [Anita] So a woman called into this radio show. 648 00:30:54,729 --> 00:30:56,773 - [Cindi] I'm sort of personal with this case, 649 00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:59,442 because I was the first girl that Michael Schiavo dated 650 00:30:59,484 --> 00:31:01,236 after his wife had this heart attack. 651 00:31:01,277 --> 00:31:03,279 It was about three years after she had- 652 00:31:03,321 --> 00:31:06,783 - Cindi Brashers was an ex-girlfriend of Michael Schiavo. 653 00:31:06,825 --> 00:31:08,493 And she was saying, you know, 654 00:31:08,535 --> 00:31:11,705 not very nice things about him and how he dealt with Terri. 655 00:31:11,746 --> 00:31:13,349 - [Cindy] And he used to go to the nursing home 656 00:31:13,373 --> 00:31:15,875 and he said she would recognize his voice. 657 00:31:15,917 --> 00:31:17,335 - [Radio Host] Right. 658 00:31:17,377 --> 00:31:18,479 - [Cindy] And she would start crying 659 00:31:18,503 --> 00:31:20,380 when he got ready to leave. 660 00:31:20,422 --> 00:31:22,549 And he was like, "She is ruining years of my life. 661 00:31:22,590 --> 00:31:26,136 She has taken all this time and this is all her fault." 662 00:31:26,177 --> 00:31:27,887 - And it kind of just snowballed. 663 00:31:29,514 --> 00:31:31,534 The Schindlers had a private investigator talk to her, 664 00:31:31,558 --> 00:31:34,561 and she had told the investigator that Michael Schiavo said, 665 00:31:34,602 --> 00:31:36,688 "We were young, we didn't know, you know, 666 00:31:36,730 --> 00:31:40,191 how could we have planned for end-of-life?" 667 00:31:42,152 --> 00:31:44,654 That he didn't know what Terri would've wanted. 668 00:31:44,696 --> 00:31:48,450 - Since day one, this whole case has been misrepresented. 669 00:31:48,491 --> 00:31:50,368 The evidence that was given to Judge Greer 670 00:31:50,410 --> 00:31:53,413 is not what it appears to be. 671 00:31:53,455 --> 00:31:54,557 - [Reporter] We are hearing today 672 00:31:54,581 --> 00:31:56,207 from Terri's husband, Michael. 673 00:31:56,249 --> 00:31:58,209 Michael has rarely spoken in public, 674 00:31:58,251 --> 00:32:00,253 but today he is speaking out. 675 00:32:00,295 --> 00:32:01,671 - Bottom line here 676 00:32:01,713 --> 00:32:03,353 is I'm trying to carry out Terri's wishes. 677 00:32:03,381 --> 00:32:04,483 - [Reporter] How do you know for sure 678 00:32:04,507 --> 00:32:05,800 what Terri's wishes were? 679 00:32:05,842 --> 00:32:07,218 - She made comments to me. 680 00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:09,012 - Now, what do you make of the comments 681 00:32:09,054 --> 00:32:11,514 by a woman that you dated after Terri, 682 00:32:11,556 --> 00:32:13,701 who said you told her that you two never talked about it? 683 00:32:13,725 --> 00:32:16,269 You were too young to be talking about things like that, 684 00:32:16,311 --> 00:32:17,687 that, that- 685 00:32:17,729 --> 00:32:19,564 - I never made that comment to Cindi. 686 00:32:19,606 --> 00:32:20,833 - Okay, let's see what Linda in Tampa has to say. 687 00:32:20,857 --> 00:32:22,192 Go ahead. 688 00:32:22,233 --> 00:32:23,833 - [Linda] Hi, I'm sure that you love her, 689 00:32:23,860 --> 00:32:26,404 but the mother and the father, they raised her. 690 00:32:26,446 --> 00:32:28,156 Now, why don't you divorce her 691 00:32:28,198 --> 00:32:31,409 and let the Schindlers come to peace with this? 692 00:32:31,451 --> 00:32:33,953 Let these people have peace! 693 00:32:33,995 --> 00:32:37,665 - In other words, let them have her to care for her. 694 00:32:37,707 --> 00:32:38,625 - [Linda] Yes. 695 00:32:38,667 --> 00:32:40,043 - Okay. 696 00:32:40,085 --> 00:32:41,044 - They won't carry out Terri's wishes. 697 00:32:41,086 --> 00:32:42,962 This is about Terri. 698 00:32:43,004 --> 00:32:44,673 This is about her wishes, 699 00:32:44,714 --> 00:32:46,800 and that's why I'm trying to carry these out for her. 700 00:32:46,841 --> 00:32:48,718 I love Terri tremendously. 701 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,221 And you know, everybody looks at the Schindlers, 702 00:32:51,262 --> 00:32:52,722 the poor Schindlers. 703 00:32:52,764 --> 00:32:54,808 What about me, what do you think I'm losing? 704 00:32:56,059 --> 00:32:57,602 I'm losing my wife. 705 00:32:59,187 --> 00:33:00,730 And nobody sees that. 706 00:33:03,608 --> 00:33:04,794 - [Reporter] Let's take a break. 707 00:33:04,818 --> 00:33:05,818 Back in a moment. 708 00:33:10,824 --> 00:33:12,534 - [Reporter] There is a bitter legal fight 709 00:33:12,575 --> 00:33:14,160 that's underway right now 710 00:33:14,202 --> 00:33:16,204 over the right to end the life of a woman who- 711 00:33:16,246 --> 00:33:18,123 - [Reporter] Terri's parents filed the lawsuit, 712 00:33:18,164 --> 00:33:20,542 alleging Michael committed perjury. 713 00:33:20,583 --> 00:33:23,878 - The Schindlers took what Cindi Brashers said to court, 714 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,715 but they didn't take it back to Judge Greer. 715 00:33:26,756 --> 00:33:30,260 They took it to a different judge, 716 00:33:30,301 --> 00:33:32,929 which was actually strategy. 717 00:33:32,971 --> 00:33:34,305 - Well, I'm going to find 718 00:33:34,347 --> 00:33:35,932 that there is a likelihood of fraud, 719 00:33:35,974 --> 00:33:40,478 given the representations of Cindi Brashers. 720 00:33:41,896 --> 00:33:43,791 - [Anita] And he ordered the feeding tube back in. 721 00:33:43,815 --> 00:33:45,735 - A Florida appeals court has reversed a decision 722 00:33:45,775 --> 00:33:49,112 to remove a longtime coma patient from life support. 723 00:33:49,154 --> 00:33:50,739 - And we were like, "What?" 724 00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:53,116 We don't, we didn't even understand what was going on. 725 00:33:53,158 --> 00:33:56,953 - The effect of the decision is to feed her artificially, 726 00:33:56,995 --> 00:34:00,915 to give her medical treatment against her will. 727 00:34:00,957 --> 00:34:03,126 - Michael Schiavo's attorney says an appeal 728 00:34:03,168 --> 00:34:04,669 is already in the works. 729 00:34:05,879 --> 00:34:07,839 - I guess, we got another first down, 730 00:34:07,881 --> 00:34:11,426 if you use the analogy of a football game. 731 00:34:11,468 --> 00:34:14,512 And so we're, you know, we're still in the game. 732 00:34:15,972 --> 00:34:18,516 - To this day, it's still even a little bit confusing. 733 00:34:20,393 --> 00:34:21,978 The tube was put back in, 734 00:34:23,396 --> 00:34:25,648 but there was nothing permanent about it. 735 00:34:27,067 --> 00:34:29,694 You know, what Cindi Brashers said to the radio show 736 00:34:29,736 --> 00:34:32,906 or to the investigator wasn't enough. 737 00:34:34,324 --> 00:34:36,368 The case went right back to Judge Greer. 738 00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:38,870 - That judge had no business doing that. 739 00:34:38,912 --> 00:34:42,332 But the Schindlers were granted a temporary injunction. 740 00:34:42,374 --> 00:34:44,584 The tube was reinserted. 741 00:34:44,626 --> 00:34:47,379 That's when the case got legs, I think. 742 00:34:48,546 --> 00:34:49,923 Even though it was just temporary, 743 00:34:49,964 --> 00:34:52,592 I think the Schindlers saw 744 00:34:52,634 --> 00:34:56,221 that they could get what they wanted 745 00:34:56,262 --> 00:34:59,516 through manipulating the judicial system. 746 00:35:03,061 --> 00:35:06,481 (snaps clicking) 747 00:35:06,523 --> 00:35:07,816 - This is the camera. 748 00:35:10,527 --> 00:35:13,405 I bought this in 1986 749 00:35:13,446 --> 00:35:16,116 at a place called Montgomery Ward's. 750 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,344 Everybody wanted one of these, 751 00:35:18,368 --> 00:35:20,787 and now you can't give 'em away. 752 00:35:20,829 --> 00:35:21,913 It served me well. 753 00:35:22,872 --> 00:35:24,624 I'm Michael Vitadamo. 754 00:35:24,666 --> 00:35:28,545 I was married to Suzanne Schindler. 755 00:35:29,754 --> 00:35:33,425 And Suzanne asked me if I could videotape Terri. 756 00:35:33,466 --> 00:35:36,553 The idea was to humanize Terri, 757 00:35:36,594 --> 00:35:39,389 to make her be, "This is an actual person. 758 00:35:39,431 --> 00:35:43,810 This isn't just some vegetable lying in a bed." 759 00:35:45,437 --> 00:35:47,814 But there was no video cameras allowed in there. 760 00:35:47,856 --> 00:35:50,066 So we had to sneak the camera in. 761 00:35:51,443 --> 00:35:54,029 Suzanne went in and she opened the window, 762 00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:58,033 and I had to hoist it up through the window 763 00:35:58,074 --> 00:35:59,200 and then walk around 764 00:36:00,785 --> 00:36:03,872 so the nurses at front desk wouldn't see anything. 765 00:36:03,913 --> 00:36:05,832 Found a place to plug in the camera. 766 00:36:05,874 --> 00:36:06,874 And then, 767 00:36:07,959 --> 00:36:11,588 we just had Mary just come up to Terri's bed 768 00:36:11,629 --> 00:36:13,214 like she did every other time. 769 00:36:14,883 --> 00:36:17,093 - [Mary] It's mommy! 770 00:36:17,135 --> 00:36:19,262 Hi! 771 00:36:19,304 --> 00:36:20,388 What's the matter? 772 00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:22,098 (Terri vocalizes) 773 00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:24,642 - [Mary] Ha, ha! (Terri laughs) 774 00:36:24,684 --> 00:36:28,188 - And then somehow it got out to the media. 775 00:36:29,773 --> 00:36:31,500 - [Reporter] In this home video, you can see Terri Schiavo 776 00:36:31,524 --> 00:36:33,693 laughing and moaning with her mother. 777 00:36:33,735 --> 00:36:35,421 - [Michael Vitadamo] It kind of just exploded. 778 00:36:35,445 --> 00:36:36,988 Today you would call it viral. 779 00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:39,074 - [Reporter] Look no further than this home video 780 00:36:39,115 --> 00:36:40,617 to see Terri is conscious 781 00:36:40,658 --> 00:36:42,786 and even reacts to certain family members. 782 00:36:42,827 --> 00:36:45,246 - And the family got their message out 783 00:36:45,288 --> 00:36:47,999 that this girl is alive. 784 00:36:49,626 --> 00:36:51,711 - [Reporter] What do you see when you look at this? 785 00:36:51,753 --> 00:36:53,630 - There's somebody home. 786 00:36:53,672 --> 00:36:56,424 When you look at her, she is looking at her mother. 787 00:36:56,466 --> 00:36:58,134 This woman is not vegetative. 788 00:36:59,803 --> 00:37:01,656 - [Reporter] In the middle of a clouded legal battle, 789 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,366 a Clearwater neurosurgeon, Dr. William Hammesfahr, 790 00:37:03,390 --> 00:37:06,726 may have the answers Terri's parents have been looking for. 791 00:37:08,061 --> 00:37:09,664 - In order to remove Terri's food and hydration, 792 00:37:09,688 --> 00:37:11,439 her feeding tube, you had to prove 793 00:37:11,481 --> 00:37:13,316 that she was in a persistent vegetative state. 794 00:37:13,358 --> 00:37:15,485 And now, because of Dr. Hammesfahr, 795 00:37:15,527 --> 00:37:17,654 this was coming into question. 796 00:37:17,696 --> 00:37:21,366 And the appellate court ordered medical examinations. 797 00:37:21,408 --> 00:37:22,951 - The appellate court said, 798 00:37:22,992 --> 00:37:25,036 "Take another look at it," basically. 799 00:37:25,078 --> 00:37:26,830 "Don't retry the case. 800 00:37:26,871 --> 00:37:29,290 It's over; you've been affirmed. 801 00:37:29,332 --> 00:37:31,042 Here's this new thing. 802 00:37:31,084 --> 00:37:33,586 Review it and rule on it." 803 00:37:33,628 --> 00:37:35,547 - How are you doing? 804 00:37:35,588 --> 00:37:37,007 I'm Dr. Hammesfahr. 805 00:37:37,048 --> 00:37:39,175 I'm just gonna check you out a little bit, okay? 806 00:37:42,053 --> 00:37:43,346 Push against this hand. 807 00:37:43,388 --> 00:37:45,348 - [Bobby] So if Terri was in a PVS... 808 00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:46,725 - Good. 809 00:37:46,766 --> 00:37:47,868 - she should be unable to communicate, 810 00:37:47,892 --> 00:37:49,519 unable to respond to commands. 811 00:37:49,561 --> 00:37:52,897 That's essentially the PVS diagnosis. 812 00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:56,109 But in his examination, 813 00:37:56,151 --> 00:37:59,863 Dr. Hammesfahr asked Terri to open her eyes. 814 00:37:59,904 --> 00:38:03,283 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Open your eyes up, open your eyes. 815 00:38:03,324 --> 00:38:06,161 - [Bobby] And Terri hesitates for a few seconds. 816 00:38:07,662 --> 00:38:09,706 And then it's undoubtable 817 00:38:10,874 --> 00:38:13,710 that she clearly opens her eyes on command. 818 00:38:13,752 --> 00:38:15,352 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Terri, open your eyes. 819 00:38:19,424 --> 00:38:20,592 There you go, good. 820 00:38:20,633 --> 00:38:22,218 Good! (laughs) 821 00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:23,345 Good job! 822 00:38:23,386 --> 00:38:26,306 Good job, young lady, good job! 823 00:38:26,348 --> 00:38:29,142 (dramatic music) 824 00:38:31,186 --> 00:38:33,938 - [Bobby] But we were so encouraged and hopeful. 825 00:38:35,106 --> 00:38:37,192 If Judge Greer concluded that Terri's in a PVS, 826 00:38:37,233 --> 00:38:40,612 then they can move forward with removing the feeding tube. 827 00:38:40,653 --> 00:38:42,072 If he found that she wasn't, 828 00:38:42,113 --> 00:38:44,574 then it could have stopped everything 829 00:38:44,616 --> 00:38:47,869 from moving forward, and saved Terri's life. 830 00:38:49,704 --> 00:38:51,081 - [Speaker] Okay, you're all set. 831 00:38:51,122 --> 00:38:54,417 - Dr. Hammesfahr shot about two hours of video 832 00:38:54,459 --> 00:38:56,961 during his examination of Terri Schiavo. 833 00:38:57,003 --> 00:38:59,589 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Can you close your eyes for me? 834 00:38:59,631 --> 00:39:01,299 How much are you able to frame that? 835 00:39:01,341 --> 00:39:06,054 - So I counted the number of times he gave her a direction. 836 00:39:07,472 --> 00:39:08,783 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Terri, can you close your eyes for me? 837 00:39:08,807 --> 00:39:10,767 - I counted the number of times 838 00:39:10,809 --> 00:39:14,688 he asked Mary Schindler to give her direction. 839 00:39:14,729 --> 00:39:16,415 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Mary, I want you to ask her 840 00:39:16,439 --> 00:39:17,982 to close her eyes. 841 00:39:18,024 --> 00:39:20,819 - Terri, can you close your eyes for mommy? 842 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:22,779 Close your eyes for mommy. 843 00:39:23,655 --> 00:39:25,782 Can you close your eyes? 844 00:39:25,824 --> 00:39:27,176 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Close your eyes tightly. 845 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,827 - [Mary] Close your eyes for mommy. 846 00:39:28,868 --> 00:39:29,970 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Close your eyes very tightly. 847 00:39:29,994 --> 00:39:31,621 - [Mary] Can you close them? 848 00:39:31,663 --> 00:39:33,707 Can you open your eyes up, real high? 849 00:39:33,748 --> 00:39:34,976 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Close your eyes real tightly. 850 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:36,835 Keep your eyes wide open for me. 851 00:39:36,876 --> 00:39:38,128 Try and look for the red light. 852 00:39:38,169 --> 00:39:39,838 - [Mary] Open your eyes. 853 00:39:39,879 --> 00:39:41,774 - [Judge Greer] And there were over 150 directions. 854 00:39:41,798 --> 00:39:42,757 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Terri, look at me. 855 00:39:42,799 --> 00:39:44,092 Close 'em real tightly. 856 00:39:44,134 --> 00:39:45,468 Way over at me. 857 00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:46,904 - [Mary] Can you raise your eyebrow? 858 00:39:46,928 --> 00:39:48,239 - Then I counted the number of times 859 00:39:48,263 --> 00:39:49,723 that he said she complied. 860 00:39:49,764 --> 00:39:51,808 - [Dr. Hammesfahr] Open 'em real wide for me. 861 00:39:51,850 --> 00:39:53,435 Real wide, open up real wide. 862 00:39:53,476 --> 00:39:55,061 Yeah, I saw that, good job. 863 00:39:55,103 --> 00:39:59,691 - So it's almost 200 commands and maybe 5 compliances. 864 00:40:01,901 --> 00:40:04,029 It just didn't jive to me. 865 00:40:09,868 --> 00:40:13,663 - She collapsed in her apartment and she was diagnosed 866 00:40:13,705 --> 00:40:16,750 as being in a persistent vegetative state 867 00:40:16,791 --> 00:40:18,209 by a number of neurologists. 868 00:40:18,251 --> 00:40:20,378 Classic persistent vegetative state. 869 00:40:21,546 --> 00:40:23,173 My name is Jay Wolfson. 870 00:40:23,214 --> 00:40:26,718 I'm a professor of public health, medicine, and pharmacy 871 00:40:27,886 --> 00:40:29,804 at the University of South Florida. 872 00:40:29,846 --> 00:40:32,223 I'm also a professor of health law. 873 00:40:32,265 --> 00:40:35,226 The extent to which we can ascertain 874 00:40:35,268 --> 00:40:38,521 somebody else's quality and quantity of consciousness 875 00:40:38,563 --> 00:40:40,482 by inference, that's what it's all about. 876 00:40:40,523 --> 00:40:42,192 But there's a lot of ambiguity. 877 00:40:42,233 --> 00:40:45,987 PVS is determined mostly with observational tests. 878 00:40:47,364 --> 00:40:50,367 So there's no measurable thing that you put in a beaker 879 00:40:50,408 --> 00:40:53,912 and say, "Ah, two milligrams of this and five of this," 880 00:40:53,953 --> 00:40:55,872 and you every time get the same thing. 881 00:40:55,914 --> 00:40:58,249 It's a bit more subjective. 882 00:40:58,291 --> 00:41:00,543 pages of legal and clinical documents. 883 00:41:00,585 --> 00:41:02,504 This is what I was asked to do, I had to... 884 00:41:02,545 --> 00:41:04,005 I was asked by the court 885 00:41:04,047 --> 00:41:07,217 to provide an opinion about her diagnosis. 886 00:41:07,258 --> 00:41:09,094 Was there something that was missed 887 00:41:09,135 --> 00:41:11,137 by all the doctors and attorneys? 888 00:41:11,179 --> 00:41:14,474 papers, radiograms, CT scans... 889 00:41:14,516 --> 00:41:18,103 To make sure that there was no stone unturned going forward. 890 00:41:19,604 --> 00:41:21,040 So that the most important thing I could do 891 00:41:21,064 --> 00:41:23,775 was to get to know Ms. Schiavo. 892 00:41:25,443 --> 00:41:28,071 (Terri moans) 893 00:41:28,113 --> 00:41:29,989 - [Jay] Terri would make noises 894 00:41:31,408 --> 00:41:33,993 during both her wake stages and her sleeping stages. 895 00:41:34,035 --> 00:41:36,746 - [Mary] Hi! (Terri vocalizes) 896 00:41:36,788 --> 00:41:38,248 - [Jay] Her head would move. 897 00:41:39,916 --> 00:41:42,877 That is part of what someone in a vegetative state does. 898 00:41:42,919 --> 00:41:44,838 (lively music) (Terri reacts) 899 00:41:44,879 --> 00:41:46,256 - [Jay] They're not intentional. 900 00:41:46,297 --> 00:41:50,301 They are just residual things that they do, 901 00:41:51,469 --> 00:41:53,972 which makes it very confusing. 902 00:41:56,224 --> 00:41:59,227 As I felt more comfortable with her, 903 00:41:59,978 --> 00:42:03,273 I would hold her hand, 904 00:42:03,314 --> 00:42:04,899 touch her head, 905 00:42:06,317 --> 00:42:09,362 and I would ask her, could she squeeze my hand? 906 00:42:09,404 --> 00:42:11,072 Could she blink her eyes? 907 00:42:11,114 --> 00:42:13,616 Could she follow some instructions? 908 00:42:13,658 --> 00:42:16,286 None of that resulted in a response, 909 00:42:16,327 --> 00:42:19,122 even though I did it over and over and over again. 910 00:42:20,248 --> 00:42:21,248 Didn't happen. 911 00:42:22,667 --> 00:42:25,003 This is Ms. Schiavo's, the CT scan. 912 00:42:25,795 --> 00:42:26,838 What do you see? 913 00:42:28,673 --> 00:42:30,091 What's happening there? 914 00:42:30,133 --> 00:42:33,595 - Your ventricles aren't supposed to be filled 915 00:42:33,636 --> 00:42:35,013 that much with fluid. 916 00:42:35,055 --> 00:42:36,723 - What's all this stuff? 917 00:42:36,765 --> 00:42:38,099 - A lot of dead brain tissue. 918 00:42:38,141 --> 00:42:40,268 - A lot of dead brain tissue. 919 00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:41,644 Yeah. 920 00:42:41,686 --> 00:42:44,147 The scan of Ms. Schiavo's brain showed 921 00:42:44,189 --> 00:42:48,193 that all of the brain itself had become liquified, 922 00:42:48,234 --> 00:42:51,196 including the parts of the brain 923 00:42:51,237 --> 00:42:54,157 that are expressly responsible for cognition, 924 00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:58,495 for hearing, for seeing, for responding to things. 925 00:42:59,704 --> 00:43:01,998 All of those capacities were gone. 926 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,459 I mean, that was not gonna change. 927 00:43:04,501 --> 00:43:06,002 It was not gonna grow back. 928 00:43:07,170 --> 00:43:10,882 The evidence supported not only the diagnosis, 929 00:43:10,924 --> 00:43:13,593 but the removal of the feeding nutrition tube. 930 00:43:13,635 --> 00:43:15,679 - Do you remember that? 931 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:17,180 We used to laugh at that. 932 00:43:17,222 --> 00:43:19,683 You'd take your eye and let it roll to the side. 933 00:43:19,724 --> 00:43:21,184 (Terri laughs) - You remember? 934 00:43:21,226 --> 00:43:22,912 - [Bobby] You know, you wanna label her in PVS. 935 00:43:22,936 --> 00:43:24,562 We didn't care. 936 00:43:24,604 --> 00:43:28,650 The way we looked at my sister was she had a disability. 937 00:43:28,692 --> 00:43:30,276 She had a severe brain injury. 938 00:43:31,653 --> 00:43:33,363 - In Florida, you have the right, 939 00:43:33,405 --> 00:43:36,658 the legal right, to die with dignity. 940 00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:38,368 - Death is a part of life, 941 00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:39,994 the dying with dignity. 942 00:43:41,413 --> 00:43:43,599 - They say, "You have to give her a death with dignity," 943 00:43:43,623 --> 00:43:47,752 implying that living in a condition with a disability, 944 00:43:47,794 --> 00:43:52,257 somehow she no longer possesses dignity. 945 00:43:52,298 --> 00:43:54,426 I mean, there's no truth to that. 946 00:43:55,802 --> 00:43:57,178 The PVS diagnosis shouldn't mean 947 00:43:57,220 --> 00:43:59,264 that we should end her life. 948 00:44:01,349 --> 00:44:03,309 - We had several doctors testified 949 00:44:03,351 --> 00:44:07,272 that that in fact was the condition she was in, 950 00:44:07,313 --> 00:44:09,399 and in fact, it was irreversible. 951 00:44:09,441 --> 00:44:13,028 I felt very comfortable that this was the correct decision. 952 00:44:18,324 --> 00:44:19,617 - [Reporter] Doctors in Florida 953 00:44:19,659 --> 00:44:21,161 have removed the feeding tube 954 00:44:21,202 --> 00:44:23,163 from a severely brain-damaged woman today, 955 00:44:23,204 --> 00:44:25,540 ending a nearly decade-long fight 956 00:44:25,582 --> 00:44:28,168 that pitted her husband against her parents. 957 00:44:29,502 --> 00:44:32,047 - Our legal avenues had been exhausted. 958 00:44:32,088 --> 00:44:34,799 So Terri's death clock was ticking 959 00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:36,193 and we had to do something, you know, 960 00:44:36,217 --> 00:44:38,636 before the alarm went off. 961 00:44:38,678 --> 00:44:39,846 All right, thanks. 962 00:44:39,888 --> 00:44:41,556 Thanks. 963 00:44:41,598 --> 00:44:43,758 And someone suggested that Randall Terry could help us. 964 00:44:45,477 --> 00:44:46,853 But I never heard of Randall Terry. 965 00:44:46,895 --> 00:44:48,021 Nobody did in our family. 966 00:44:48,063 --> 00:44:49,856 We had no idea who he was. 967 00:44:49,898 --> 00:44:51,334 - You're gonna get a sound bite from me 968 00:44:51,358 --> 00:44:52,901 and then weave it into the story. 969 00:44:52,942 --> 00:44:54,611 - [Reporter] I'm gonna get a sound bite, 970 00:44:54,652 --> 00:44:55,963 and then if they want to use it on "The Today Show" 971 00:44:55,987 --> 00:44:57,364 tomorrow morning, they will. 972 00:44:57,405 --> 00:44:58,716 - If they don't use it on "The Today Show", 973 00:44:58,740 --> 00:44:59,699 I will set myself on fire. 974 00:44:59,741 --> 00:45:00,867 - [Reporter] Oh, my God! 975 00:45:00,909 --> 00:45:01,993 - Embracing you. (laughs) 976 00:45:02,035 --> 00:45:03,620 - [Speaker] No, embracing you! 977 00:45:03,661 --> 00:45:06,831 - Randall Terry is the founder of Operation Rescue, 978 00:45:06,873 --> 00:45:10,168 and he is sort of famous for these 979 00:45:10,210 --> 00:45:13,046 protests outside abortion clinics, 980 00:45:13,088 --> 00:45:16,091 these really, really vocal protests. 981 00:45:16,132 --> 00:45:17,717 - The Democratic Party has hid 982 00:45:17,759 --> 00:45:20,220 behind their godless, lying rhetoric for too long. 983 00:45:20,261 --> 00:45:23,640 - [Reporter] Operation Rescue, a more militant approach. 984 00:45:23,682 --> 00:45:25,892 - [Reporter] 20,000 anti-abortion demonstrators 985 00:45:25,934 --> 00:45:27,769 have been arrested in 28 cities. 986 00:45:28,853 --> 00:45:30,271 - The abortion clinic is closed! 987 00:45:30,313 --> 00:45:33,108 (crows cheers and applauds) 988 00:45:33,149 --> 00:45:35,652 - Legalized child-killing's days are numbered. 989 00:45:35,694 --> 00:45:36,694 We will win. 990 00:45:37,987 --> 00:45:40,615 (piano music) 991 00:45:43,284 --> 00:45:46,579 Music is a fun passion for me. 992 00:45:46,621 --> 00:45:48,123 When I was a young man, 993 00:45:48,164 --> 00:45:50,041 I wanted to go to Juilliard to play the piano, 994 00:45:50,083 --> 00:45:52,419 but God had other plans for my life, 995 00:45:52,460 --> 00:45:54,462 which I'm happy to have fulfilled. 996 00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:57,340 "New York Times", "Washington Times", 997 00:45:57,382 --> 00:45:58,883 front page of the Style section 998 00:45:58,925 --> 00:46:00,677 of "The Washington Post". 999 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,013 There is when I had the privilege of meeting John Paul II. 1000 00:46:03,054 --> 00:46:05,098 I invited him to come to get arrested with us. 1001 00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:08,810 He didn't come, but he laughed. (laughs) 1002 00:46:10,353 --> 00:46:12,689 The Bible says that Satan is the great dragon. 1003 00:46:12,731 --> 00:46:14,482 My dragon is child-killing. 1004 00:46:17,152 --> 00:46:18,528 I've spent my entire adult life 1005 00:46:18,570 --> 00:46:20,613 fighting to end the killing of babies. 1006 00:46:20,655 --> 00:46:21,656 That's the mission. 1007 00:46:23,283 --> 00:46:25,660 The pro-life movement is of peace. 1008 00:46:25,702 --> 00:46:29,164 We focus on babies that are in the womb. 1009 00:46:29,205 --> 00:46:32,834 But the commandment says, "Thou shalt not murder." 1010 00:46:32,876 --> 00:46:34,461 Whether it's active euthanasia 1011 00:46:34,502 --> 00:46:36,338 or starving someone to death 1012 00:46:36,379 --> 00:46:40,300 or dehydrating someone to death, murder is murder. 1013 00:46:40,342 --> 00:46:42,177 - [Crowd] Let Terri live! Let Terri live! 1014 00:46:43,511 --> 00:46:45,722 - They are going to starve this woman to death. 1015 00:46:46,848 --> 00:46:48,224 And it is an act of cruelty 1016 00:46:48,266 --> 00:46:50,894 and ultimately, it's murder itself. 1017 00:46:50,935 --> 00:46:52,854 So please, in the name of truth... 1018 00:46:52,896 --> 00:46:55,231 - If they wanted to work towards saving Terri's life 1019 00:46:55,273 --> 00:47:00,028 and they're against abortion, I'm not gonna say no. 1020 00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:03,990 Frankly at this point, my family didn't care about that. 1021 00:47:04,032 --> 00:47:07,869 If he was gonna try and save Terri, okay, let's do it. 1022 00:47:07,911 --> 00:47:08,911 That's how we felt. 1023 00:47:10,580 --> 00:47:15,210 - So I told the Schindlers we'll rent an RV, 1024 00:47:15,251 --> 00:47:17,504 and it'll show to the media, "Look, we're here. 1025 00:47:17,545 --> 00:47:19,005 We're not going anywhere." 1026 00:47:19,047 --> 00:47:20,674 - Okay, super. 1027 00:47:20,715 --> 00:47:22,360 - [Reporter] Terri's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, 1028 00:47:22,384 --> 00:47:24,511 have set up camp in this RV, 1029 00:47:24,552 --> 00:47:27,430 just across the street from where their daughter is housed. 1030 00:47:27,472 --> 00:47:29,057 - [Randall] We'll have a 24-hour vigil. 1031 00:47:29,099 --> 00:47:30,517 - [Group] Deliver us from evil... 1032 00:47:30,558 --> 00:47:32,119 - [Randall] and we'll get national television. 1033 00:47:32,143 --> 00:47:33,621 - The feeding tube was removed yesterday 1034 00:47:33,645 --> 00:47:35,855 and doctors say within the next 10 days, 1035 00:47:35,897 --> 00:47:37,649 the 39 year-old woman will die. 1036 00:47:37,691 --> 00:47:40,902 - I told the family, we have to get all this press coverage 1037 00:47:40,944 --> 00:47:45,615 so we can put political pressure on people who need it. 1038 00:47:45,657 --> 00:47:48,451 (crowd applauds) 1039 00:47:51,037 --> 00:47:54,416 - Wow! 1040 00:47:54,457 --> 00:47:56,376 - [Anita] Jeb Bush was a popular governor. 1041 00:47:56,418 --> 00:47:59,587 He had won reelection, he was Republican, 1042 00:47:59,629 --> 00:48:01,506 and he was from this political family 1043 00:48:01,548 --> 00:48:03,341 that we had all heard of, of course. 1044 00:48:03,383 --> 00:48:05,427 ("Hail to the Chief") 1045 00:48:05,468 --> 00:48:07,762 - A thousand points of light. 1046 00:48:07,804 --> 00:48:11,391 - The United States and our allies have prevailed. 1047 00:48:11,433 --> 00:48:13,476 (crowd applauds) ("Hail to the Chief") 1048 00:48:13,518 --> 00:48:15,437 - Just ahead on your right, there they are. 1049 00:48:15,478 --> 00:48:19,649 The presidential gates leading to the former naval base. 1050 00:48:19,691 --> 00:48:22,902 - But Jeb Bush, he wanted to just kind of chart his own way. 1051 00:48:22,944 --> 00:48:27,198 And when you look back at his legacy over his eight years, 1052 00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:29,826 I mean, the Schiavo case will always be with him. 1053 00:48:29,868 --> 00:48:31,453 - [Crowd] Let Terri live! 1054 00:48:31,494 --> 00:48:32,996 - I want to take this moment again 1055 00:48:33,038 --> 00:48:35,707 to publicly beg Governor Bush. 1056 00:48:35,749 --> 00:48:38,335 - Randall said, "Jeb could save Terri's life, 1057 00:48:38,376 --> 00:48:40,462 but you've gotta get in front of him. 1058 00:48:41,629 --> 00:48:43,840 You guys have to meet with him personally, 1059 00:48:43,882 --> 00:48:45,258 humanize yourself. 1060 00:48:45,300 --> 00:48:47,886 Let him talk to Mary, let him see the family, 1061 00:48:47,927 --> 00:48:51,598 'cause it's gonna be harder for him to say no to your face." 1062 00:48:53,266 --> 00:48:54,476 I was driving. 1063 00:48:55,643 --> 00:48:58,563 It was like, "Okay, let's get there, now." 1064 00:49:01,983 --> 00:49:04,736 (mariachi music) 1065 00:49:04,778 --> 00:49:07,655 - Jeb Bush was doing some kind of groundbreaking, 1066 00:49:07,697 --> 00:49:12,494 so I felt like we were hijacking his event (giggles) 1067 00:49:12,535 --> 00:49:14,454 in order to get in front of him. 1068 00:49:14,496 --> 00:49:15,830 - There was a mariachi band 1069 00:49:15,872 --> 00:49:18,583 and all these festivities going on. 1070 00:49:20,085 --> 00:49:24,464 And then Jeb Bush walked in, no security or anything. 1071 00:49:26,716 --> 00:49:29,594 I was surprised that this somehow happened, 1072 00:49:29,636 --> 00:49:31,930 that this meeting actually happened. 1073 00:49:31,971 --> 00:49:34,307 That this family is now meeting 1074 00:49:34,349 --> 00:49:36,976 with the governor of Florida. 1075 00:49:37,018 --> 00:49:40,021 - You know, he comes in and like shakes everybody's hand. 1076 00:49:40,063 --> 00:49:43,441 And I think he looked out of sorts, because I mean, 1077 00:49:43,483 --> 00:49:46,361 he's not expecting to meet my family that day. 1078 00:49:47,529 --> 00:49:49,739 - Before we actually met Jeb Bush, 1079 00:49:49,781 --> 00:49:53,076 Randall, he said, "Here's how this is gonna happen. 1080 00:49:53,118 --> 00:49:54,494 He's gonna meet us. 1081 00:49:54,536 --> 00:49:57,664 He'll sit and listen to you intently. 1082 00:49:57,706 --> 00:50:00,083 When it comes to the end of the conversation, 1083 00:50:01,459 --> 00:50:03,920 he's gonna slide to the end of his chair. 1084 00:50:03,962 --> 00:50:07,632 He's gonna slap the top of his knees and get up and say, 1085 00:50:07,674 --> 00:50:10,593 'I wish there was more that I could do.'" 1086 00:50:10,635 --> 00:50:11,511 And 1087 00:50:11,553 --> 00:50:15,015 that's exactly what happened. 1088 00:50:15,056 --> 00:50:16,683 Exactly. 1089 00:50:16,725 --> 00:50:20,562 And I just remember looking at Randall like, "Damn!" 1090 00:50:20,603 --> 00:50:23,565 - In the meeting, Jeb said, "I'm not a king. 1091 00:50:25,233 --> 00:50:27,527 I can't just do anything I want." 1092 00:50:30,196 --> 00:50:32,258 - [Reporter] Are you looking with the attorney general, 1093 00:50:32,282 --> 00:50:33,783 or what are you guys looking at now? 1094 00:50:33,825 --> 00:50:35,744 - I am not aware of any alternative, 1095 00:50:35,785 --> 00:50:38,788 but I'm not a legal scholar, either, so. 1096 00:50:39,748 --> 00:50:40,665 - But I said, 1097 00:50:40,707 --> 00:50:44,002 "If we get legal opinions 1098 00:50:44,044 --> 00:50:47,714 that say you could intervene on her behalf, as the governor, 1099 00:50:47,756 --> 00:50:49,341 would you consider doing it?" 1100 00:50:49,382 --> 00:50:51,092 He said, "Yes, send them on to me." 1101 00:50:53,720 --> 00:50:55,388 - Legal advisors to the governor 1102 00:50:55,430 --> 00:50:57,057 are continuing to look into this 1103 00:50:57,098 --> 00:50:59,934 to see if there is anything that the governor can do. 1104 00:50:59,976 --> 00:51:01,603 Meanwhile... 1105 00:51:01,644 --> 00:51:04,022 - In 2003, I was a member of the Florida Senate 1106 00:51:04,064 --> 00:51:06,358 when the Terri Schiavo case 1107 00:51:06,399 --> 00:51:09,652 really sort of burst into the public scene. 1108 00:51:11,279 --> 00:51:13,698 We heard rumblings that Governor Bush 1109 00:51:13,740 --> 00:51:16,034 was actually pushing a law 1110 00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:20,622 that would allow him to reinsert her feeding tube. 1111 00:51:20,663 --> 00:51:23,667 - This is an incredible convergence of timing. 1112 00:51:23,708 --> 00:51:25,585 Legislature's in special session, 1113 00:51:25,627 --> 00:51:27,271 which it almost never is this time of year. 1114 00:51:27,295 --> 00:51:30,340 - I think we need to give those parents that opportunity 1115 00:51:30,382 --> 00:51:32,592 to see if they can save their daughter's life. 1116 00:51:32,634 --> 00:51:34,260 - [Debbie] It was mostly on party lines. 1117 00:51:34,302 --> 00:51:38,056 - If this body does nothing, a very bad thing will happen. 1118 00:51:38,098 --> 00:51:40,767 - It's inappropriate for us to be reversing their decision. 1119 00:51:40,809 --> 00:51:46,022 My first thought was, "I'm not a lawyer, but I am very clear 1120 00:51:47,399 --> 00:51:48,501 that the governor does not have the ability 1121 00:51:48,525 --> 00:51:49,818 to override court decisions 1122 00:51:49,859 --> 00:51:51,653 in any constitutional construction." 1123 00:51:51,695 --> 00:51:53,905 - Typically, it takes months to pass a law, 1124 00:51:53,947 --> 00:51:57,158 but Terri's Law was crafted in less than a day. 1125 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,868 - But this really boiled down 1126 00:51:58,910 --> 00:52:03,081 to you can't just target the law to affect one person. 1127 00:52:03,123 --> 00:52:06,292 And that's what they decided to do with Terri's Law. 1128 00:52:06,334 --> 00:52:07,752 - [Sarina] It applies only to cases 1129 00:52:07,794 --> 00:52:09,504 where a patient has no living will, 1130 00:52:09,546 --> 00:52:11,589 is in a persistent vegetative state, 1131 00:52:11,631 --> 00:52:13,758 had food and hydration tubes removed, 1132 00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,761 and has a family member challenging the removal. 1133 00:52:16,803 --> 00:52:18,364 - [Speaker Of The House] If all members voted, 1134 00:52:18,388 --> 00:52:19,764 the clerk will announce the vote. 1135 00:52:19,806 --> 00:52:22,517 - [Clerk] 73 yeas, 24 nays, Mr. Speaker. 1136 00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:24,036 - [Speaker Of The House] The bill passes. 1137 00:52:24,060 --> 00:52:25,395 (gavel pounds) 1138 00:52:25,437 --> 00:52:26,872 - I will sign it into law immediately. 1139 00:52:26,896 --> 00:52:29,065 The law will give me that authority, 1140 00:52:29,107 --> 00:52:31,151 and I will issue the stay. 1141 00:52:31,192 --> 00:52:32,837 - [Reporter] Do you feel at all like you're playing God here 1142 00:52:32,861 --> 00:52:34,461 and interfering with perhaps His will or- 1143 00:52:34,487 --> 00:52:36,990 - No, I'm not playing God at all. 1144 00:52:38,575 --> 00:52:41,578 - This evening an ambulance picked up Terri Schiavo 1145 00:52:41,619 --> 00:52:44,497 and took her to a nearby hospital to begin the procedure 1146 00:52:44,539 --> 00:52:47,042 of hydrating and feeding her once again. 1147 00:52:49,878 --> 00:52:51,629 (siren blares) 1148 00:52:51,671 --> 00:52:56,885 (crowd cheers and applauds) - Finally, huh? 1149 00:53:03,266 --> 00:53:04,684 Looks like we might see 1150 00:53:04,726 --> 00:53:06,286 the light at the end of the tunnel here. 1151 00:53:07,354 --> 00:53:09,397 So she came back to the hospice 1152 00:53:09,439 --> 00:53:11,483 with her feeding tube reinserted. 1153 00:53:11,524 --> 00:53:14,527 - She's very capable of making a recovery. 1154 00:53:14,569 --> 00:53:15,987 - You know, I think back, 1155 00:53:17,530 --> 00:53:18,907 and just the way 1156 00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,786 our family, in particular, my mom and dad, 1157 00:53:22,827 --> 00:53:25,372 they were just parents that loved their child 1158 00:53:25,413 --> 00:53:26,956 and wanted to care for her. 1159 00:53:26,998 --> 00:53:30,210 - It's a miracle, an absolute miracle. 1160 00:53:30,251 --> 00:53:31,920 (crowd cheers) 1161 00:53:31,961 --> 00:53:33,546 - [Bobby] And just to see their joy 1162 00:53:33,588 --> 00:53:35,548 when the feeding tube was reinserted. 1163 00:53:35,590 --> 00:53:37,175 - She looks great. 1164 00:53:37,217 --> 00:53:38,677 She's tired, 1165 00:53:38,718 --> 00:53:41,471 but she just looks wonderful, 1166 00:53:41,513 --> 00:53:43,640 and we're very happy about it. 1167 00:53:45,475 --> 00:53:46,893 - Yeah, it was, 1168 00:53:48,061 --> 00:53:50,605 it was, you know, one of the good moments. 1169 00:53:51,356 --> 00:53:52,774 And yeah, I thought we, 1170 00:53:55,402 --> 00:53:58,405 I, you know, I guess I was being naive. 1171 00:53:58,446 --> 00:53:59,406 I thought we won. 1172 00:53:59,447 --> 00:54:01,032 I thought it was over. 1173 00:54:01,074 --> 00:54:03,576 You know, I didn't kind of process that wasn't, it wasn't, 1174 00:54:03,618 --> 00:54:06,413 'cause Felos just went into high gear after that. 1175 00:54:06,454 --> 00:54:08,415 He was not happy, 1176 00:54:08,456 --> 00:54:09,708 not happy. 1177 00:54:11,292 --> 00:54:16,256 - No one, whether it's a governor, a senator, a potentate 1178 00:54:16,297 --> 00:54:17,924 should have the right 1179 00:54:17,966 --> 00:54:20,969 to override somebody's medical treatment wishes. 1180 00:54:21,803 --> 00:54:23,388 It was disturbing 1181 00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:25,724 to see the raw exercise 1182 00:54:25,765 --> 00:54:29,686 of political power in this case. 1183 00:54:29,728 --> 00:54:32,772 It wasn't about end-of-life issues anymore. 1184 00:54:32,814 --> 00:54:35,275 Now the case became a battle 1185 00:54:35,316 --> 00:54:39,821 between the governor and the court system. 1186 00:54:39,863 --> 00:54:42,216 - [Reporter] The Florida Supreme Court heard arguments today 1187 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:45,785 in one of the nation's longest right-to-die disputes. 1188 00:54:45,827 --> 00:54:48,955 - The essential issue here is 1189 00:54:48,997 --> 00:54:52,125 who is entitled to make a decision 1190 00:54:52,167 --> 00:54:55,670 on a matter so personal and private. 1191 00:54:55,712 --> 00:54:57,922 It would be a dangerous precedent 1192 00:54:57,964 --> 00:55:02,635 to have the courts override it retroactively, 1193 00:55:02,677 --> 00:55:04,763 because then there is no rule of law. 1194 00:55:04,804 --> 00:55:06,973 Then the courts become subservient... 1195 00:55:07,015 --> 00:55:08,808 - This is gonna have to be done- 1196 00:55:08,850 --> 00:55:10,894 - to the executive branch. 1197 00:55:10,935 --> 00:55:14,564 And that's a country that I don't want to live in. 1198 00:55:14,606 --> 00:55:15,833 - [Reporter] Florida's Supreme Court 1199 00:55:15,857 --> 00:55:17,692 struck down as unconstitutional 1200 00:55:17,734 --> 00:55:20,570 a law passed to keep Terri Schiavo alive. 1201 00:55:20,612 --> 00:55:21,988 - It's not clear tonight 1202 00:55:22,030 --> 00:55:25,033 how soon that feeding tube may now be removed. 1203 00:55:33,500 --> 00:55:37,087 - You know, we encourage people in tough situations, 1204 00:55:37,128 --> 00:55:40,674 remember prayer, and, you know, belief in prayer. 1205 00:55:40,715 --> 00:55:43,802 Calling out to God for help in times of crisis 1206 00:55:43,843 --> 00:55:46,388 is a very common American theme. 1207 00:55:47,764 --> 00:55:50,475 The Schindler's case looked sorta over, 1208 00:55:50,517 --> 00:55:51,851 but they were saying, 1209 00:55:51,893 --> 00:55:53,978 "Can you help us save our daughter?" 1210 00:55:54,020 --> 00:55:56,356 As a person of faith, as a Christian, 1211 00:55:56,398 --> 00:55:58,525 the answer's pretty simple, 1212 00:55:58,566 --> 00:56:01,528 that people like Terri matter to God. 1213 00:56:01,569 --> 00:56:03,655 At this point, we are deeply grateful. 1214 00:56:03,697 --> 00:56:05,865 And again, the family has tremendous faith. 1215 00:56:05,907 --> 00:56:08,493 They have said, "We are prayerful to God." 1216 00:56:08,535 --> 00:56:11,955 - Once David Gibbs got involved in the litigation, 1217 00:56:11,996 --> 00:56:15,041 the Schiavo case took a serious turn. 1218 00:56:15,083 --> 00:56:18,420 Political and religious forces saw an opportunity 1219 00:56:19,337 --> 00:56:22,257 to promote an agenda 1220 00:56:22,298 --> 00:56:23,298 that went 1221 00:56:24,467 --> 00:56:27,012 way past this family tragedy. 1222 00:56:30,932 --> 00:56:34,894 The Gibbs Law Firm was part of a larger effort 1223 00:56:34,936 --> 00:56:38,440 by an intricate web of religious organizations. 1224 00:56:38,481 --> 00:56:40,692 - I think the choice has to go to protecting her life. 1225 00:56:40,734 --> 00:56:42,086 You gotta err on the side of caution. 1226 00:56:42,110 --> 00:56:43,987 I think they're gonna be- 1227 00:56:44,029 --> 00:56:47,907 - Who are trying to change the course of American law 1228 00:56:47,949 --> 00:56:50,076 toward religious dogma. 1229 00:56:50,118 --> 00:56:50,994 - Our 1230 00:56:51,036 --> 00:56:52,120 goal 1231 00:56:52,162 --> 00:56:53,079 must 1232 00:56:53,121 --> 00:56:54,330 be 1233 00:56:54,372 --> 00:56:58,209 To build this country into a Christian nation. 1234 00:56:58,251 --> 00:56:59,836 - [Audience] Amen! (audience applauds) 1235 00:56:59,878 --> 00:57:01,755 - Firmly built on the 10 Commandments. 1236 00:57:01,796 --> 00:57:04,966 - They want what they call biblical law 1237 00:57:05,008 --> 00:57:06,885 as the law of the land. 1238 00:57:06,926 --> 00:57:08,678 - We want to make all our decisions 1239 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:11,514 in light of the eternity to come. 1240 00:57:11,556 --> 00:57:13,850 - They are Christian nationalists. 1241 00:57:13,892 --> 00:57:15,143 That's their agenda, 1242 00:57:16,811 --> 00:57:18,188 theocracy. 1243 00:57:18,229 --> 00:57:20,023 There's no other way of putting it. 1244 00:57:22,817 --> 00:57:25,779 That's why I got involved in the Schiavo case 1245 00:57:25,820 --> 00:57:29,240 as an appellate lawyer helping George Felos. 1246 00:57:30,658 --> 00:57:33,286 I respect people's religious values, 1247 00:57:33,328 --> 00:57:36,122 but I just don't want it forced on me. 1248 00:57:36,164 --> 00:57:40,168 - Everyone understands that when the Pope speaks, 1249 00:57:40,210 --> 00:57:44,297 you now have the official word of the Church. 1250 00:57:45,882 --> 00:57:48,301 - [Reporter] This statement by Pope John Paul II 1251 00:57:48,343 --> 00:57:53,098 says withholding food and water is equal to euthanasia. 1252 00:57:53,139 --> 00:57:54,724 - I mean, I couldn't believe it 1253 00:57:54,766 --> 00:57:58,061 that he even knew about her, okay? 1254 00:57:58,103 --> 00:57:59,854 And yet, and here he comes out 1255 00:57:59,896 --> 00:58:02,732 with this, you know, this proclamation. 1256 00:58:02,774 --> 00:58:04,359 That was amazing. 1257 00:58:04,401 --> 00:58:09,197 That was, he was my favorite pope anyway. (laughs) 1258 00:58:09,948 --> 00:58:11,324 - You're really saying 1259 00:58:11,366 --> 00:58:13,159 that if Terri had seen what the Pope said, 1260 00:58:13,201 --> 00:58:15,245 that that would've changed everything for her 1261 00:58:15,286 --> 00:58:19,499 with regard to how she'd want her situation to be right now? 1262 00:58:19,541 --> 00:58:20,959 - Absolutely. 1263 00:58:21,001 --> 00:58:23,503 - [Jon] Gibbs filed motion after motion. 1264 00:58:23,545 --> 00:58:26,172 - They want you to believe that Terri is a vegetable. 1265 00:58:26,214 --> 00:58:28,091 Our response back, number one, 1266 00:58:28,133 --> 00:58:29,718 is that Terri's not a vegetable. 1267 00:58:29,759 --> 00:58:32,846 - Making some really outlandish claims. 1268 00:58:32,887 --> 00:58:34,031 - And then I took her by the arms like this 1269 00:58:34,055 --> 00:58:35,849 and I said, "Terri." 1270 00:58:35,890 --> 00:58:40,520 - For example, one of his associates was at Terri's bedside 1271 00:58:40,562 --> 00:58:42,981 and kept asking her, "Do you want to live? 1272 00:58:43,023 --> 00:58:44,149 Do you want to live?" 1273 00:58:44,190 --> 00:58:46,526 - And Terri said, "Ahhhhh." 1274 00:58:46,568 --> 00:58:48,570 And then she screamed, "Waaaa!" 1275 00:58:49,654 --> 00:58:50,864 - [Jon] Gibbs filed a brief. 1276 00:58:50,905 --> 00:58:52,323 - Yes, sir. 1277 00:58:52,365 --> 00:58:53,676 - [Jon] Saying she has now spoken. 1278 00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:54,784 She has said, 1279 00:58:54,826 --> 00:58:55,827 "AHHHHH 1280 00:58:55,869 --> 00:58:56,953 WAAAAAAA," 1281 00:58:56,995 --> 00:58:59,497 which meant, "I want to live." 1282 00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:01,750 Almost laughable. 1283 00:59:01,791 --> 00:59:02,876 But 1284 00:59:02,917 --> 00:59:04,878 this guy would do anything. 1285 00:59:04,919 --> 00:59:06,689 - One-time stay, until the hearing could be held 1286 00:59:06,713 --> 00:59:08,882 on behalf of Bob and Mary Schindler, the parents. 1287 00:59:08,923 --> 00:59:10,550 - Now where's the logic in that? 1288 00:59:10,592 --> 00:59:13,178 - [Judge Greer] Those are kind of the last efforts 1289 00:59:13,219 --> 00:59:15,388 of grieving parents, if you will, 1290 00:59:15,430 --> 00:59:16,890 who had a good lawyer. 1291 00:59:16,931 --> 00:59:18,034 - Ask the guardian to keep his word. 1292 00:59:18,058 --> 00:59:20,602 - Trying to stop 1293 00:59:20,643 --> 00:59:22,979 what was about to happen. 1294 00:59:26,149 --> 00:59:27,501 - [Female Prayer Leader] Blessed art thou among women 1295 00:59:27,525 --> 00:59:29,444 and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. 1296 00:59:29,486 --> 00:59:31,404 - [Crowd] Holy Mary, mother of God, pray... 1297 00:59:31,446 --> 00:59:34,574 - This is a major decision by Judge George Greer 1298 00:59:34,616 --> 00:59:38,578 that Terri Schiavo's feeding tube can indeed be removed 1299 00:59:38,620 --> 00:59:41,373 by her guardian and husband, Michael Schiavo, 1300 00:59:41,414 --> 00:59:45,627 on March 18th, Friday, at 1 p.m. 1301 00:59:45,669 --> 00:59:47,337 - It would be Hitler-esque. 1302 00:59:47,379 --> 00:59:51,341 It would be unbelievable for us to starve to death a woman. 1303 00:59:51,383 --> 00:59:54,678 - The problem is that we live under the reign 1304 00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:56,346 of judicial tyrants. 1305 00:59:56,388 --> 00:59:58,515 They're gods that walk among us. 1306 00:59:58,556 --> 01:00:01,935 It's a clear violation of the separation of powers. 1307 01:00:01,976 --> 01:00:03,061 That's our contention. 1308 01:00:03,103 --> 01:00:04,896 These judges ignore the law. 1309 01:00:04,938 --> 01:00:08,400 Judges like Greer give us pornography, no prayer in schools, 1310 01:00:08,441 --> 01:00:10,902 no Bible in schools, no 10 Commandment in schools. 1311 01:00:10,944 --> 01:00:12,821 "Here's condoms for kids. 1312 01:00:12,862 --> 01:00:14,322 Here's dead babies by abortion. 1313 01:00:14,364 --> 01:00:15,782 Here's homosexual marriage. 1314 01:00:15,824 --> 01:00:17,867 All your state laws be damned!" 1315 01:00:17,909 --> 01:00:19,285 Right now, what we have 1316 01:00:19,327 --> 01:00:21,121 is a little tin-pot dictator judge, Greer, 1317 01:00:21,162 --> 01:00:22,789 telling everyone what to do, 1318 01:00:22,831 --> 01:00:25,333 and we don't have anyone with the guts and the backbone 1319 01:00:25,375 --> 01:00:28,169 and the wisdom to stop him. 1320 01:00:28,211 --> 01:00:30,797 (tense music) 1321 01:00:34,134 --> 01:00:36,761 (door clicks) 1322 01:00:38,555 --> 01:00:41,141 (Velcro rips) 1323 01:00:44,144 --> 01:00:45,645 - There it is. 1324 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,775 I looked like Michelin Man when I had it on. 1325 01:00:52,110 --> 01:00:53,737 You just hoped people are shooting you 1326 01:00:53,778 --> 01:00:57,407 where the bulletproof vest is, instead of some other place. 1327 01:00:58,950 --> 01:01:00,869 We had a lot of threats. 1328 01:01:00,910 --> 01:01:03,705 So whenever I was out of my condo, 1329 01:01:03,747 --> 01:01:07,542 whether I was walking the dog or going to the grocery store, 1330 01:01:07,584 --> 01:01:08,584 I wore it. 1331 01:01:09,878 --> 01:01:12,130 They arrested somebody in North Carolina for threatening. 1332 01:01:12,172 --> 01:01:15,175 There was a bounty on me and Michael Schiavo. 1333 01:01:15,216 --> 01:01:17,260 Somebody was arrested in San Francisco. 1334 01:01:17,302 --> 01:01:18,636 I don't know if they're religious, 1335 01:01:18,678 --> 01:01:20,281 I don't know if they're anti-abortionists. 1336 01:01:20,305 --> 01:01:22,182 I don't know if they're just wackos. 1337 01:01:22,223 --> 01:01:23,868 - [Reporter] According to law enforcement officials, 1338 01:01:23,892 --> 01:01:26,895 there have been many threats against the judge in this case. 1339 01:01:26,936 --> 01:01:28,146 - Then, in early March, 1340 01:01:28,188 --> 01:01:29,856 I got kicked out of my church 1341 01:01:31,483 --> 01:01:34,152 because my pastor did not agree with my ruling. 1342 01:01:36,071 --> 01:01:38,114 ♪ You saved me ♪ You saved me 1343 01:01:38,156 --> 01:01:40,241 ♪ You saved me ♪ You saved me 1344 01:01:40,283 --> 01:01:42,285 ♪ You saved me ♪ You saved me 1345 01:01:42,327 --> 01:01:44,704 ♪ You saved me ♪ Oh-Oh-Oh-Oh 1346 01:01:44,746 --> 01:01:47,499 ♪ Oh, Jesus 1347 01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:50,251 - I'm a good Christian and I'm pro-life. 1348 01:01:50,293 --> 01:01:52,128 - Praise the Lord! 1349 01:01:52,170 --> 01:01:54,964 - But do I go to the Good Book to decide cases? 1350 01:01:55,006 --> 01:01:56,508 The answer is no, 1351 01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:58,593 because that's not what I'm supposed to do. 1352 01:01:58,635 --> 01:02:01,721 My job is to apply the law to the facts. 1353 01:02:01,763 --> 01:02:03,139 That's it. 1354 01:02:03,181 --> 01:02:05,975 - And God says, "This is your day! 1355 01:02:06,017 --> 01:02:08,520 Nobody will stop it!" 1356 01:02:09,437 --> 01:02:12,857 (camera shutters click) 1357 01:02:15,193 --> 01:02:17,404 - Good afternoon, everyone. 1358 01:02:18,988 --> 01:02:21,116 Mrs. Schiavo's feeding tube was removed 1359 01:02:21,157 --> 01:02:25,328 at approximately 1:45 p.m. today, 1360 01:02:25,370 --> 01:02:27,914 pursuant to the order of Judge Greer. 1361 01:02:29,833 --> 01:02:31,001 (people chatter) 1362 01:02:31,042 --> 01:02:32,377 - Let's go over here. 1363 01:02:32,419 --> 01:02:34,004 - We're all here. - Let's do it. 1364 01:02:34,045 --> 01:02:35,839 I have been told, I haven't yet seen, 1365 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,590 but the tube has been removed. 1366 01:02:37,632 --> 01:02:40,343 And we are now up against a very tight clock, 1367 01:02:40,385 --> 01:02:43,555 because Terri is in the process of being starved to death. 1368 01:02:43,596 --> 01:02:45,306 And so at this point, we are moving... 1369 01:02:45,348 --> 01:02:46,975 We were kind of, you know, 1370 01:02:47,017 --> 01:02:48,685 out of options in the state courts. 1371 01:02:48,727 --> 01:02:51,855 But it is looking more and more like Washington DC 1372 01:02:51,896 --> 01:02:55,358 is gonna have to step forward and save Terri's life. 1373 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,277 We wanted a federal court 1374 01:02:57,318 --> 01:03:00,655 to review the fundamental constitutional fairness 1375 01:03:00,697 --> 01:03:03,283 of what had occurred in all the courts prior. 1376 01:03:04,659 --> 01:03:07,954 But to do that, we needed an act of Congress. 1377 01:03:09,330 --> 01:03:10,874 - It wasn't like Congress just decided 1378 01:03:10,915 --> 01:03:12,715 they were gonna get involved in the situation. 1379 01:03:12,751 --> 01:03:15,211 I flew to DC to get in front of whoever it was, 1380 01:03:15,253 --> 01:03:18,298 Democrat, Republican, Congressperson, Senator. 1381 01:03:18,340 --> 01:03:20,216 My sister should at least, at the very least, 1382 01:03:20,258 --> 01:03:21,718 have a federal review. 1383 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,320 I was pleading with them to do something 1384 01:03:23,345 --> 01:03:25,638 to stop this madness from happening. 1385 01:03:29,100 --> 01:03:31,478 - Terri Schiavo is alive. 1386 01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:34,064 She's not just barely alive. 1387 01:03:34,105 --> 01:03:36,399 She's not being kept alive. 1388 01:03:36,441 --> 01:03:39,235 She is alive as you and I. 1389 01:03:39,277 --> 01:03:40,737 - I couldn't believe it. 1390 01:03:40,779 --> 01:03:42,781 It was so stunning, I could hardly breathe. 1391 01:03:42,822 --> 01:03:45,492 Like, how could we be doing this again? 1392 01:03:45,533 --> 01:03:48,495 I had just been elected to the House of Representatives, 1393 01:03:48,536 --> 01:03:51,581 and now the Republicans drafted legislation. 1394 01:03:51,623 --> 01:03:54,501 - If the federal court decides to remove this case 1395 01:03:54,542 --> 01:03:57,545 from that judge in Florida, they can do so. 1396 01:03:57,587 --> 01:04:00,340 - And that was their crafty way 1397 01:04:00,382 --> 01:04:01,925 of attempting to 1398 01:04:03,301 --> 01:04:05,929 get the courts to bend to their will, 1399 01:04:05,970 --> 01:04:07,681 to reinsert her feeding tube. 1400 01:04:07,722 --> 01:04:09,516 - Governor, do we have you on the phone? 1401 01:04:09,557 --> 01:04:10,850 Can you hear me, Governor Bush? 1402 01:04:10,892 --> 01:04:12,452 - [Debbie] It felt like Groundhog's Day. 1403 01:04:12,477 --> 01:04:13,436 - [Gov. Jeb Bush] We're continuing to work 1404 01:04:13,478 --> 01:04:15,313 on several fronts. 1405 01:04:15,355 --> 01:04:17,774 - Governor Bush, not a person who likes to lose. 1406 01:04:17,816 --> 01:04:20,276 And so, you know, what he was gonna do 1407 01:04:20,318 --> 01:04:25,198 was just call up his brother and use his power. 1408 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,325 - In extraordinary circumstances like this- 1409 01:04:27,367 --> 01:04:28,785 - [Debbie] To force the issue. 1410 01:04:28,827 --> 01:04:32,622 - It is wise to always err on the side of life. 1411 01:04:32,664 --> 01:04:34,666 (crowd applauds) 1412 01:04:34,708 --> 01:04:38,128 - But this really wasn't about Terri Schiavo's life 1413 01:04:38,169 --> 01:04:40,630 or feeling for her parents. 1414 01:04:40,672 --> 01:04:42,340 - This case... 1415 01:04:42,382 --> 01:04:43,567 - [Debbie] It was about scoring political points. 1416 01:04:43,591 --> 01:04:45,385 - breaks my heart, 1417 01:04:45,427 --> 01:04:47,971 and I think it breaks the heart of millions of Americans. 1418 01:04:49,347 --> 01:04:52,517 - [Debbie] Because this bill was being pushed 1419 01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:56,396 on behalf of right-wing, religious, conservative groups. 1420 01:04:56,438 --> 01:04:59,107 - I promise you, if she dies, 1421 01:04:59,149 --> 01:05:00,775 there is going to be hell to pay. 1422 01:05:00,817 --> 01:05:02,235 - [Debbie] Randall Terry, you know, 1423 01:05:02,277 --> 01:05:03,862 the Family Research Council. 1424 01:05:03,903 --> 01:05:05,321 - And then there were, 1425 01:05:05,363 --> 01:05:06,799 there are conflicts about her diagnosis. 1426 01:05:06,823 --> 01:05:09,909 - All of those really right-wing, anti-choice, 1427 01:05:09,951 --> 01:05:12,370 get-all-up-in-a-woman's-business groups. 1428 01:05:12,412 --> 01:05:14,998 - You just can't start killing people! 1429 01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:16,958 - And when they have a demand, 1430 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,045 the Republican Party was going to meet that demand. 1431 01:05:21,463 --> 01:05:24,132 - [Jon] Bill Frist, he was a Republican Senator 1432 01:05:24,174 --> 01:05:25,550 and he was a doctor. 1433 01:05:25,592 --> 01:05:28,595 - Based on a review of the video footage, 1434 01:05:28,636 --> 01:05:31,389 which I spent an hour or so looking at last night. 1435 01:05:31,431 --> 01:05:33,409 - He got up on the floor of the Senate and he said, 1436 01:05:33,433 --> 01:05:35,018 "I've seen those video tapes." 1437 01:05:35,060 --> 01:05:38,313 - That footage, to me, depicts something very different 1438 01:05:38,355 --> 01:05:40,690 than persistent vegetative state. 1439 01:05:41,983 --> 01:05:44,110 - This is a doctor watching edited videotapes, 1440 01:05:44,152 --> 01:05:46,946 making the diagnosis from the floor of the Senate. 1441 01:05:46,988 --> 01:05:48,531 It's just outrageous. 1442 01:05:49,699 --> 01:05:51,368 - The Schiavo bill passed in the Senate 1443 01:05:51,409 --> 01:05:53,036 by unanimous consent. 1444 01:05:53,078 --> 01:05:55,288 That means not one Democrat, not one Democratic senator 1445 01:05:55,330 --> 01:05:57,499 was willing to go to the leadership 1446 01:05:57,540 --> 01:05:59,084 and force a floor vote on this. 1447 01:05:59,125 --> 01:06:00,335 They just let this thing go. 1448 01:06:00,377 --> 01:06:02,587 ♪ No other fount I know 1449 01:06:02,629 --> 01:06:06,883 ♪ Nothing but the blood of Jesus ♪ 1450 01:06:09,636 --> 01:06:11,596 - The family is elated to find out 1451 01:06:11,638 --> 01:06:15,642 that President Bush is cutting his vacation time short 1452 01:06:15,684 --> 01:06:19,396 to get back to DC to get ready to sign this legislation, 1453 01:06:19,437 --> 01:06:21,523 should it pass both houses. 1454 01:06:21,564 --> 01:06:24,067 (helicopter whirs) 1455 01:06:24,109 --> 01:06:27,404 I honestly couldn't believe that he left his vacation 1456 01:06:27,445 --> 01:06:29,280 and came home early to sign the bill. 1457 01:06:29,322 --> 01:06:30,740 I was dumbfounded by, 1458 01:06:30,782 --> 01:06:33,952 at the way the whole thing was propelling. 1459 01:06:33,993 --> 01:06:35,620 (helicopter whirs) 1460 01:06:35,662 --> 01:06:38,915 It's like, this is bad Hollywood writing. 1461 01:06:38,957 --> 01:06:40,375 You can't make this up. 1462 01:06:40,417 --> 01:06:41,876 But it was really happening! 1463 01:06:41,918 --> 01:06:43,253 I was thrilled. 1464 01:06:43,294 --> 01:06:45,755 - The members are here, the hour has come. 1465 01:06:45,797 --> 01:06:47,590 Mr. Speaker, call the vote. 1466 01:06:47,632 --> 01:06:49,652 - Those in favor, say, "Aye." - [Representatives] Aye. 1467 01:06:49,676 --> 01:06:51,011 - Those opposed, "No." 1468 01:06:51,928 --> 01:06:54,597 (gavel pounds) 1469 01:06:55,932 --> 01:06:57,535 - You know, the Republicans are in the majority, 1470 01:06:57,559 --> 01:06:59,185 it's their bill, it was gonna pass. 1471 01:06:59,227 --> 01:07:03,440 So our job was to really try to shine a light on this debate 1472 01:07:03,481 --> 01:07:06,443 and engage with the American people 1473 01:07:06,484 --> 01:07:08,945 on how inappropriate this was. 1474 01:07:10,488 --> 01:07:12,073 I was still very new. 1475 01:07:12,115 --> 01:07:14,159 And when you are a freshman in the minority, 1476 01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:17,954 nobody cares what you think and nobody really knows you. 1477 01:07:19,539 --> 01:07:21,624 We're getting a little bit bogged down in the... 1478 01:07:21,666 --> 01:07:24,002 So, you know, I had to really be kind of brazen. 1479 01:07:24,044 --> 01:07:29,174 Where will we stop if we allow this to go forward? 1480 01:07:29,215 --> 01:07:31,259 You will end up throwing 1481 01:07:32,177 --> 01:07:34,387 end-of-life decisions 1482 01:07:34,429 --> 01:07:36,556 into utter chaos 1483 01:07:36,598 --> 01:07:39,309 and inserting ourselves in the middle of families 1484 01:07:39,351 --> 01:07:40,393 all across America. 1485 01:07:40,435 --> 01:07:41,519 And we can't do that. 1486 01:07:41,561 --> 01:07:42,663 - [Reporter] Could you explain, 1487 01:07:42,687 --> 01:07:44,314 should there be a distinction 1488 01:07:44,356 --> 01:07:46,542 between providing food as opposed to medical sustenance? 1489 01:07:46,566 --> 01:07:49,194 - We are members of Congress. 1490 01:07:50,111 --> 01:07:51,488 That's the bottom line. 1491 01:07:51,529 --> 01:07:53,323 I can't get into those kinds of questions. 1492 01:07:53,365 --> 01:07:54,324 We don't know. 1493 01:07:54,366 --> 01:07:55,742 We're not God. 1494 01:07:55,784 --> 01:07:57,702 And we're not Terri Schiavo's husband, 1495 01:07:57,744 --> 01:08:00,288 sister, brother, uncle, or cousin. 1496 01:08:00,330 --> 01:08:02,374 We're members of Congress. 1497 01:08:02,415 --> 01:08:04,959 We make laws, and we uphold the law, 1498 01:08:05,001 --> 01:08:07,504 and we swore to protect the Constitution. 1499 01:08:07,545 --> 01:08:09,714 And we are thumbing our nose at the Constitution 1500 01:08:09,756 --> 01:08:11,007 if this goes forward. 1501 01:08:12,384 --> 01:08:14,511 - And then they woke up President Bush 1502 01:08:14,552 --> 01:08:16,638 shortly after one o'clock to get him to sign it. 1503 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,349 And now, what we've been calling the Terri Schiavo Bill 1504 01:08:19,391 --> 01:08:21,726 is now the Terri Schiavo Law. 1505 01:08:26,731 --> 01:08:28,233 - This was our last shot. 1506 01:08:28,274 --> 01:08:29,693 Hey, everybody! 1507 01:08:29,734 --> 01:08:31,420 - [Reporter] Do you have the lawsuit with you? 1508 01:08:31,444 --> 01:08:33,714 - We have the lawsuit with us and we are on our way to file. 1509 01:08:33,738 --> 01:08:37,033 The legislation passed hours ago. 1510 01:08:37,075 --> 01:08:40,161 We're told the court is gonna be ready to go. 1511 01:08:40,203 --> 01:08:41,538 And so what we did 1512 01:08:41,579 --> 01:08:44,040 is we went to the federal judge and said, 1513 01:08:44,082 --> 01:08:48,461 "Well, the only way for the federal review to occur 1514 01:08:48,503 --> 01:08:50,922 is for Terri to 1515 01:08:50,964 --> 01:08:52,549 be kept alive. 1516 01:08:52,590 --> 01:08:55,176 And so we have to reinsert the feeding tube." 1517 01:08:56,261 --> 01:08:58,096 And put everything on the line. 1518 01:08:59,597 --> 01:09:01,349 There was no room for compromise. 1519 01:09:02,517 --> 01:09:04,269 One of the most important issues 1520 01:09:04,310 --> 01:09:08,273 under our United States Constitution is the right to life. 1521 01:09:08,314 --> 01:09:09,399 Our Founding Fathers- 1522 01:09:09,441 --> 01:09:10,734 - I think the intent of Congress 1523 01:09:10,775 --> 01:09:13,236 was to simply replace their judgment 1524 01:09:13,278 --> 01:09:15,405 for that of Terri Schiavo. 1525 01:09:15,447 --> 01:09:16,906 - Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo, 1526 01:09:16,948 --> 01:09:19,451 is angry that lawmakers got involved. 1527 01:09:19,492 --> 01:09:21,369 - You know, I should be with her right now. 1528 01:09:21,411 --> 01:09:23,747 But I'm so outraged at what happened with Congress, 1529 01:09:23,788 --> 01:09:25,165 I need to speak out. 1530 01:09:25,206 --> 01:09:27,542 - Passed a bill that's substantially impaired. 1531 01:09:27,584 --> 01:09:28,936 - [Interviewer] Do you feel frustrated 1532 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:31,838 that you're up against the government? 1533 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,758 - I don't think frustrated is a good word; I'm angry. 1534 01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:37,677 They're stepping into a personal, private matter 1535 01:09:38,970 --> 01:09:40,388 for votes. 1536 01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:42,265 They're making the decisions for us. 1537 01:09:42,307 --> 01:09:43,975 Big Brother is gonna do that. 1538 01:09:44,017 --> 01:09:46,853 I'm telling everybody, you better call your congressmen, 1539 01:09:46,895 --> 01:09:49,773 because they're gonna run your life. 1540 01:09:52,817 --> 01:09:55,737 - In court, there was a lot of questioning 1541 01:09:55,779 --> 01:09:58,782 about the constitutionality and other things. 1542 01:09:58,823 --> 01:10:00,200 And I began to realize, 1543 01:10:00,241 --> 01:10:03,912 "Okay, this judge is not liking this law." 1544 01:10:05,997 --> 01:10:09,793 - The federal judge basically said to them, 1545 01:10:09,834 --> 01:10:12,462 "You have no business being in this case. 1546 01:10:12,504 --> 01:10:14,381 Motion to intervene denied. 1547 01:10:14,422 --> 01:10:16,424 Motion to stay denied. 1548 01:10:16,466 --> 01:10:17,466 Thank you." 1549 01:10:19,052 --> 01:10:22,013 That was it. 1550 01:10:22,055 --> 01:10:23,055 It was over. 1551 01:10:24,182 --> 01:10:25,809 - [Reporter] Terri Schiavo's parents 1552 01:10:25,850 --> 01:10:27,686 have received their final legal blow. 1553 01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:32,940 - For three days, 1554 01:10:33,274 --> 01:10:34,752 Terri Schiavo's been without her feeding tube. 1555 01:10:34,776 --> 01:10:37,487 How long can she last without food or water? 1556 01:10:37,529 --> 01:10:40,949 - Well, it generally takes, in an otherwise healthy person, 1557 01:10:42,242 --> 01:10:45,412 about seven days to two weeks for the organs to shut down. 1558 01:10:45,453 --> 01:10:47,247 - [Protestors] Let Terri live! 1559 01:10:47,288 --> 01:10:48,707 - So Terri was dying, 1560 01:10:48,748 --> 01:10:51,459 and at that point it transcended politics 1561 01:10:51,501 --> 01:10:54,421 and became really the number one news story in the world. 1562 01:10:54,462 --> 01:10:57,590 - Some have come here from as far away as Los Angeles. 1563 01:10:57,632 --> 01:11:01,469 - There was a frenetic energy, a controlled chaos, really. 1564 01:11:01,511 --> 01:11:04,264 - [Protestors] Rescue Terri now! Rescue Terri now! 1565 01:11:04,305 --> 01:11:06,158 - We got a lot of traffic, just wait, you'll see. 1566 01:11:06,182 --> 01:11:08,601 When you turn, all you're gonna have is cars. 1567 01:11:08,643 --> 01:11:09,978 - [Protestors] Let Terri live! 1568 01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:11,646 We're not dead yet! 1569 01:11:11,688 --> 01:11:12,999 - [David] Terri's case really pulled 1570 01:11:13,023 --> 01:11:14,774 across the political spectrum. 1571 01:11:14,816 --> 01:11:16,609 - [Protestor] We are left-wing radicals! 1572 01:11:16,651 --> 01:11:18,737 We are not religious people. 1573 01:11:18,778 --> 01:11:21,781 And we are a separate disability rights group. 1574 01:11:21,823 --> 01:11:24,075 - [David] You know, the disability rights world 1575 01:11:24,117 --> 01:11:26,578 was inflamed and very concerned. 1576 01:11:27,704 --> 01:11:29,497 People of faith were concerned. 1577 01:11:30,999 --> 01:11:33,918 - The thing, there's something about her struggle, 1578 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:38,131 it lifts us above the lines that divide. 1579 01:11:38,173 --> 01:11:40,300 - You know, moms across America were concerned. 1580 01:11:40,342 --> 01:11:43,970 I mean, this case just touched at everybody's humanity, 1581 01:11:44,012 --> 01:11:47,724 and it also asked some very deep questions, 1582 01:11:47,766 --> 01:11:49,351 as the whole world watched 1583 01:11:49,392 --> 01:11:51,853 to see what's gonna happen with Terri Schiavo. 1584 01:11:53,229 --> 01:11:54,623 - [Reporter] Everyone is really concerned 1585 01:11:54,647 --> 01:11:55,774 in Sweden and Norway. 1586 01:11:55,815 --> 01:11:57,067 - They should be. 1587 01:11:57,108 --> 01:11:58,401 - [Speaker] Yeah? - Yeah. 1588 01:11:58,443 --> 01:11:59,545 Yeah, we're opening the door 1589 01:11:59,569 --> 01:12:00,403 to euthanasia here in America. 1590 01:12:00,445 --> 01:12:01,780 Excuse me. 1591 01:12:01,821 --> 01:12:03,990 (acoustic guitar music) 1592 01:12:04,032 --> 01:12:07,827 ♪ I give my life to You 1593 01:12:07,869 --> 01:12:11,247 - Sometimes I view myself like God's blunt object. 1594 01:12:12,707 --> 01:12:15,043 What I've been able to bring to the table over the years 1595 01:12:15,085 --> 01:12:18,296 is a willingness to say and to do things 1596 01:12:18,338 --> 01:12:21,841 that other people don't want to say and don't want to do. 1597 01:12:21,883 --> 01:12:24,594 So I set out to create a shitstorm. 1598 01:12:24,636 --> 01:12:27,430 - Isn't it possible that we have two different sides here? 1599 01:12:27,472 --> 01:12:29,849 A family and a husband both love this, 1600 01:12:29,891 --> 01:12:31,285 Terri Schiavo- - I don't believe he does. 1601 01:12:31,309 --> 01:12:32,536 I don't believe that he loves her. 1602 01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:33,937 He is very volatile. 1603 01:12:33,978 --> 01:12:35,855 There have been women who testified under oath 1604 01:12:35,897 --> 01:12:37,524 that he stalked them, 1605 01:12:37,565 --> 01:12:39,794 that he tried to run one of his ex-girlfriends off the road. 1606 01:12:39,818 --> 01:12:40,777 Something is amiss. 1607 01:12:40,819 --> 01:12:42,654 - The first casualty 1608 01:12:43,947 --> 01:12:45,615 of a culture war 1609 01:12:45,657 --> 01:12:47,367 is truth. 1610 01:12:47,409 --> 01:12:50,203 - She had a neck injury and she also had fractured ribs, 1611 01:12:50,245 --> 01:12:53,039 and she had, I think, a broken pelvis. 1612 01:12:53,081 --> 01:12:56,167 So she was pretty well beat up. 1613 01:12:56,209 --> 01:12:58,044 - [Jon] During the Schiavo case, 1614 01:12:58,086 --> 01:13:01,089 the Schindlers created a campaign of misinformation, 1615 01:13:01,131 --> 01:13:02,799 - Amount of evidence that indicates 1616 01:13:02,841 --> 01:13:04,068 that there might have been a violent episode. 1617 01:13:04,092 --> 01:13:05,760 - [Jon] About Michael Schiavo. 1618 01:13:05,802 --> 01:13:07,971 - Do you think he harmed your daughter? 1619 01:13:08,930 --> 01:13:10,515 - Quite likely, yes. 1620 01:13:10,557 --> 01:13:15,061 - In today's parlance, you might call it alternative facts. 1621 01:13:15,103 --> 01:13:18,023 There were a lot of alternative facts. 1622 01:13:18,064 --> 01:13:20,734 - It was, I believe, a combination of two things, 1623 01:13:20,775 --> 01:13:22,193 money and foul play. 1624 01:13:22,235 --> 01:13:24,696 - [Jon] Accusations that Michael was a killer. 1625 01:13:24,738 --> 01:13:25,822 - Neck injury. 1626 01:13:25,864 --> 01:13:28,241 - He was evil incarnate. 1627 01:13:28,283 --> 01:13:30,118 - He's afraid that she'll wake up, 1628 01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,038 and actually, you know, say what happened that night. 1629 01:13:33,079 --> 01:13:34,807 I don't regret anything I said about Michael. 1630 01:13:34,831 --> 01:13:36,183 I feel like everything I say about Michael, 1631 01:13:36,207 --> 01:13:38,543 or I've said about Michael is kind of true. 1632 01:13:38,585 --> 01:13:40,795 She had multiple broken bones. 1633 01:13:40,837 --> 01:13:41,939 I mean, I don't know that we said 1634 01:13:41,963 --> 01:13:43,715 anything horrible about him, 1635 01:13:43,757 --> 01:13:47,510 just that we think he was responsible for her collapse. 1636 01:13:50,263 --> 01:13:54,142 - We never found any proof that Michael abused his wife. 1637 01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:57,979 All these things were examined in the end, 1638 01:13:59,356 --> 01:14:01,608 and there was no evidence for any of these allegations. 1639 01:14:03,276 --> 01:14:05,171 And you know, when I first started covering this case 1640 01:14:05,195 --> 01:14:08,615 back in 2000, when they had the first trial, 1641 01:14:08,656 --> 01:14:10,241 neither side disputed 1642 01:14:10,283 --> 01:14:13,953 that the other side loved Terri Schiavo. 1643 01:14:13,995 --> 01:14:16,414 Nobody was talking about abuse then. 1644 01:14:17,540 --> 01:14:20,543 Those are things that changed over time. 1645 01:14:20,585 --> 01:14:24,089 - These are crimes against God and crimes against humanity! 1646 01:14:24,130 --> 01:14:26,549 - Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, 1647 01:14:26,591 --> 01:14:28,593 and to the Holy Spirit. 1648 01:14:28,635 --> 01:14:30,303 (bagpipe music) 1649 01:14:30,345 --> 01:14:33,181 - We're not dead yet! We're not dead yet! 1650 01:14:33,223 --> 01:14:34,867 - [Protestor] Receiving nutrition and hydration 1651 01:14:34,891 --> 01:14:37,727 are what are called proximate and necessary cooperators- 1652 01:14:37,769 --> 01:14:40,188 - When we would drive into work, 1653 01:14:40,230 --> 01:14:43,650 we had to drive through the gauntlet of protestors. 1654 01:14:43,692 --> 01:14:46,277 - I never had so many people send me to hell. (scoffs) 1655 01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:48,154 - Jesus Christ hates you. 1656 01:14:48,196 --> 01:14:50,007 You better make sure you're right with Jesus Christ. 1657 01:14:50,031 --> 01:14:52,283 - Lord, in the name of Jesus, I curse this place. 1658 01:14:52,325 --> 01:14:53,827 - [Protestors] Let Terri live! 1659 01:14:53,868 --> 01:14:55,012 - [Annie] We called it the siege. 1660 01:14:55,036 --> 01:14:57,038 - [Protestors] Let Terri live! 1661 01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,124 - Why don't you guys get right with God 1662 01:14:59,165 --> 01:15:03,253 and stop supporting the homosexuals and the lesbians 1663 01:15:03,294 --> 01:15:04,546 and the abortionists? 1664 01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:07,966 - [Becky] This place, (protestors yell) 1665 01:15:08,008 --> 01:15:11,928 that was designed to be an oasis... 1666 01:15:11,970 --> 01:15:13,572 - Yeah there has been a lot of angry shouting. 1667 01:15:13,596 --> 01:15:14,973 The police have moved in. 1668 01:15:15,015 --> 01:15:16,766 - [Becky] ...became a battleground. 1669 01:15:16,808 --> 01:15:18,476 - [Protestors] Give Terri water! 1670 01:15:19,352 --> 01:15:22,105 - And trying to set that aside 1671 01:15:22,147 --> 01:15:24,107 so we could be present 1672 01:15:24,149 --> 01:15:26,693 as we cared for 1673 01:15:26,735 --> 01:15:29,404 the patients and the families, 1674 01:15:30,864 --> 01:15:33,491 the contrast was just mind-boggling. 1675 01:15:33,533 --> 01:15:35,243 (helicopter whirs) - A threat was called in 1676 01:15:35,285 --> 01:15:37,078 to the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office 1677 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:40,373 of there was a bomb in this area near the hospice, 1678 01:15:40,415 --> 01:15:43,585 and that it would go off if Terri died. 1679 01:15:44,961 --> 01:15:46,629 - [Reporter] All right, yes or no, 1680 01:15:46,671 --> 01:15:48,441 are there snipers on the roofs, as rumors indicate? 1681 01:15:48,465 --> 01:15:50,550 - [Officer] And we've taken every position 1682 01:15:50,592 --> 01:15:53,178 that we feel that could be threatened. 1683 01:15:53,219 --> 01:15:55,055 - I remember, I thought, 1684 01:15:55,096 --> 01:15:57,349 "Oh, I don't think I'd be able to forgive myself 1685 01:15:57,390 --> 01:16:02,145 if a family member or an employee was injured." 1686 01:16:03,605 --> 01:16:07,025 Michael Schiavo had a plan and we had a plan to support him. 1687 01:16:07,067 --> 01:16:10,028 His brother would drive him to the hospice 1688 01:16:10,070 --> 01:16:12,405 and he would lay down with a blanket over him, 1689 01:16:12,447 --> 01:16:16,242 so that none of the cameras could see him coming and going. 1690 01:16:17,619 --> 01:16:20,497 And he stayed away from windows as much as he could. 1691 01:16:20,538 --> 01:16:22,725 Because he told me, "You know, there's some people out there 1692 01:16:22,749 --> 01:16:24,626 that would be happy to kill me, 1693 01:16:24,668 --> 01:16:28,171 just because of what they think they know about who I am." 1694 01:16:28,213 --> 01:16:29,756 - I'm afraid I would've had to kill him 1695 01:16:29,798 --> 01:16:31,299 before it reached this stage. 1696 01:16:31,341 --> 01:16:32,967 - [Interviewer] Kill who? - Kill Michael. 1697 01:16:33,009 --> 01:16:34,636 (crowd chatters) 1698 01:16:34,678 --> 01:16:36,930 - I think somebody should speak for Mr. Schiavo. 1699 01:16:36,971 --> 01:16:38,264 This guy deserves a medal. 1700 01:16:38,306 --> 01:16:39,724 - [Interviewer] Why? 1701 01:16:39,766 --> 01:16:41,118 - 'Cause he's stuck by her all these years, 1702 01:16:41,142 --> 01:16:42,310 and is still standing by her 1703 01:16:42,352 --> 01:16:44,354 and trying to do what she wanted. 1704 01:16:44,396 --> 01:16:47,482 - Sometimes the greater love is the love that can let go. 1705 01:16:50,819 --> 01:16:52,237 - He was her husband. 1706 01:16:52,278 --> 01:16:54,656 He had the right to make that decision. 1707 01:16:55,615 --> 01:16:56,449 Nobody else. 1708 01:16:56,491 --> 01:16:57,491 Him. 1709 01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:00,787 - To have a good death 1710 01:17:00,829 --> 01:17:04,374 is to be with people you want to be with, at your time. 1711 01:17:05,500 --> 01:17:08,920 That's the ideal hospice goal. (laughs) 1712 01:17:08,962 --> 01:17:12,799 - We found out that most patients go through five stages 1713 01:17:12,841 --> 01:17:15,593 in coming to terms with the fact that they're dying, 1714 01:17:15,635 --> 01:17:19,305 and often their families go through the same stage 1715 01:17:19,347 --> 01:17:20,640 as the patient does. 1716 01:17:22,017 --> 01:17:24,477 He first reacts with shock and denial. 1717 01:17:24,519 --> 01:17:27,397 - Mr. Gibbs said that he felt that perhaps, 1718 01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,985 she was beyond help, even if food and water were restored. 1719 01:17:32,027 --> 01:17:33,421 - You know, I'm not a medical doctor. 1720 01:17:33,445 --> 01:17:35,488 She seems to be, you know, as I said, 1721 01:17:35,530 --> 01:17:37,574 fighting very hard to stay alive. 1722 01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:41,161 - [Elisabeth] Next, the patient gets angry. 1723 01:17:41,202 --> 01:17:44,164 He enters what we call the stage of bargaining. 1724 01:17:44,205 --> 01:17:45,248 - Michael. 1725 01:17:47,042 --> 01:17:48,626 Please, 1726 01:17:48,668 --> 01:17:49,668 please 1727 01:17:51,755 --> 01:17:52,922 give my child 1728 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,258 back to me. 1729 01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:57,469 - [Elisabeth] Then they become depressed, 1730 01:17:57,510 --> 01:18:01,264 and then they reach the last stage, the stage of acceptance. 1731 01:18:02,515 --> 01:18:05,352 - The effects of her (cameras click) 1732 01:18:05,393 --> 01:18:09,022 starvation and hydration (cameras click) 1733 01:18:09,064 --> 01:18:11,691 are showing. (cameras click) 1734 01:18:11,733 --> 01:18:14,694 But I think the people who are anxious to see her die 1735 01:18:14,736 --> 01:18:15,862 are getting their wish. 1736 01:18:16,988 --> 01:18:18,615 It's happening. 1737 01:18:18,656 --> 01:18:21,326 (solemn music) 1738 01:18:23,244 --> 01:18:24,954 - Things were starting to change. 1739 01:18:26,289 --> 01:18:28,124 I sat and held her hand the whole night. 1740 01:18:28,166 --> 01:18:30,043 And I sat right there by her side. 1741 01:18:30,085 --> 01:18:32,879 And I caressed her head, caressed her arms, 1742 01:18:32,921 --> 01:18:34,923 and told her it was okay. 1743 01:18:35,965 --> 01:18:37,384 I had a candle going, 1744 01:18:37,425 --> 01:18:38,903 and there were some flowers in the room, 1745 01:18:38,927 --> 01:18:41,596 and some soft music was playing. 1746 01:18:43,014 --> 01:18:44,909 About seven o'clock in the morning, we got a phone call 1747 01:18:44,933 --> 01:18:47,686 that her brother and sister wanted to come in and see her. 1748 01:18:47,727 --> 01:18:48,727 I left the room. 1749 01:18:50,438 --> 01:18:53,233 ♪ Have mercy on us 1750 01:18:53,274 --> 01:18:54,651 ♪ And on the whole world 1751 01:18:54,693 --> 01:18:56,319 - [Bobby] We knew Terri was close, 1752 01:18:56,361 --> 01:18:58,279 so we got to visit her one last time. 1753 01:18:58,321 --> 01:18:59,572 - Okay, out of the way. 1754 01:18:59,614 --> 01:19:02,492 - [Bobby] It was Suzanne and I. 1755 01:19:04,285 --> 01:19:05,370 - That was tough. 1756 01:19:06,246 --> 01:19:08,415 The deterioration happened. 1757 01:19:08,456 --> 01:19:12,043 I mean, it happens slowly, but then like the last few days, 1758 01:19:12,085 --> 01:19:14,170 it's like, wow, you know. 1759 01:19:14,212 --> 01:19:15,588 - We knew it was getting close, 1760 01:19:15,630 --> 01:19:17,132 and, 1761 01:19:17,173 --> 01:19:19,426 some hospice people came in and said, 1762 01:19:19,467 --> 01:19:21,094 "You have to leave." 1763 01:19:21,136 --> 01:19:22,721 And we're like, "No, we're not leaving. 1764 01:19:22,762 --> 01:19:24,764 We're not leaving my sister right now." 1765 01:19:24,806 --> 01:19:25,806 And, 1766 01:19:27,058 --> 01:19:28,768 they said, "Well, just for a minute, 1767 01:19:28,810 --> 01:19:30,854 we have to kind of assess what's going on, 1768 01:19:30,895 --> 01:19:33,356 and then we'll let you right back in." 1769 01:19:33,398 --> 01:19:35,025 Walked out. 1770 01:19:35,066 --> 01:19:37,444 It was right then, the police got in front of us. 1771 01:19:37,485 --> 01:19:39,237 - [Michael] As I was walking past, 1772 01:19:39,279 --> 01:19:41,031 I could see Bobby standing out in the lobby, 1773 01:19:41,072 --> 01:19:42,407 arguing with the cop. 1774 01:19:43,616 --> 01:19:45,410 And an administrator's telling me, you know, 1775 01:19:45,452 --> 01:19:46,411 "Bobby just got in an argument, he wants to stay. 1776 01:19:46,453 --> 01:19:48,121 What do you want?" 1777 01:19:48,163 --> 01:19:49,748 And I'm thinking to myself, 1778 01:19:49,789 --> 01:19:51,791 "I don't want a police officer in that room. 1779 01:19:51,833 --> 01:19:53,293 I don't want, 1780 01:19:53,335 --> 01:19:55,420 I don't want any arguments. 1781 01:19:55,462 --> 01:19:57,023 I want to be with my wife when she dies." 1782 01:19:57,047 --> 01:19:58,047 So I said no. 1783 01:20:02,218 --> 01:20:04,346 Maybe, you know, people don't agree with that, 1784 01:20:04,387 --> 01:20:06,514 but that was my decision at the time. 1785 01:20:10,101 --> 01:20:11,728 - [Bobby] They threw us out. 1786 01:20:11,770 --> 01:20:13,850 They told us we had to leave the premises right away. 1787 01:20:16,441 --> 01:20:17,734 You know, it's a shame. 1788 01:20:19,194 --> 01:20:20,379 I think there were a lot of feelings 1789 01:20:20,403 --> 01:20:21,738 that were misinterpreted, 1790 01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:23,823 and I don't know that we ever sat down 1791 01:20:23,865 --> 01:20:26,159 and just had a heart-to-heart discussion 1792 01:20:26,201 --> 01:20:28,411 about what we were all feeling. 1793 01:20:28,453 --> 01:20:31,122 And maybe if Michael and I 1794 01:20:32,707 --> 01:20:34,226 would've been better at communicating with each other, 1795 01:20:34,250 --> 01:20:36,127 maybe it never would've 1796 01:20:36,169 --> 01:20:37,796 turned into what it turned into 1797 01:20:39,714 --> 01:20:40,714 back then, 1798 01:20:42,092 --> 01:20:44,386 if we would've sat down and really hashed things out. 1799 01:20:45,553 --> 01:20:47,347 - I'm sure Terri would've wanted us 1800 01:20:47,389 --> 01:20:50,725 to get along and be happy, but it didn't happen. 1801 01:20:53,269 --> 01:20:54,938 I got back to her room. 1802 01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:57,833 I went around to the side of the bed, 1803 01:20:57,857 --> 01:21:01,403 I knelt next to her. (breathes out) 1804 01:21:03,947 --> 01:21:06,074 I lifted her up in my arms, 1805 01:21:06,116 --> 01:21:07,826 just like that night it happened. 1806 01:21:10,453 --> 01:21:13,081 And I told her I loved her, and she died. 1807 01:21:16,501 --> 01:21:20,547 (waves lapping) (gentle somber music) 1808 01:21:20,588 --> 01:21:22,674 - [Elisabeth] Acceptance is that feeling of, 1809 01:21:22,716 --> 01:21:25,510 "I have finished my unfinished business. 1810 01:21:25,552 --> 01:21:27,137 I have done my best." 1811 01:21:29,639 --> 01:21:33,435 They are at peace, inside and outside, 1812 01:21:34,519 --> 01:21:37,147 and ready for the last journey. 1813 01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,448 - You know, 1814 01:21:47,157 --> 01:21:48,158 it was over. 1815 01:21:51,161 --> 01:21:52,162 - It's over. 1816 01:21:53,496 --> 01:21:55,540 And she'll never have to do that again. 1817 01:21:56,624 --> 01:21:59,544 (quiet resonating music) 1818 01:21:59,586 --> 01:22:00,962 (cameras click) 1819 01:22:01,004 --> 01:22:02,839 - Could you give us some room, please? 1820 01:22:04,299 --> 01:22:05,484 Could you give us some room, please? 1821 01:22:05,508 --> 01:22:06,801 (camera shutters click) 1822 01:22:06,843 --> 01:22:08,219 Could you give us a little room? 1823 01:22:08,261 --> 01:22:10,180 - Come on, guys! 1824 01:22:10,221 --> 01:22:12,432 (camera shutters click) 1825 01:22:12,474 --> 01:22:15,643 - As you are aware, Terri is now with God, 1826 01:22:15,685 --> 01:22:18,813 and she's been released from all earthly burdens. 1827 01:22:18,855 --> 01:22:21,941 She is finally at peace for eternity. 1828 01:22:21,983 --> 01:22:23,318 (resonating music) 1829 01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:24,986 He was like a soldier. 1830 01:22:25,028 --> 01:22:26,863 He got us through it all. 1831 01:22:26,905 --> 01:22:29,491 - I want to just thank everybody, okay? 1832 01:22:29,532 --> 01:22:30,617 Thank you. 1833 01:22:33,370 --> 01:22:34,996 - [Suzanne] But once Terri died, 1834 01:22:35,038 --> 01:22:38,750 my dad's health deteriorated pretty quickly. 1835 01:22:40,710 --> 01:22:42,837 I think he felt like he failed. 1836 01:22:44,297 --> 01:22:47,175 He failed Terri, and I don't think he could live with that. 1837 01:22:49,219 --> 01:22:51,971 (waves lapping) 1838 01:22:53,098 --> 01:22:55,225 And I think it killed him. 1839 01:22:56,810 --> 01:23:00,146 - Our keynote speaker tonight is Bobby Schindler. 1840 01:23:00,188 --> 01:23:01,314 (audience applauds) 1841 01:23:01,356 --> 01:23:03,650 - This case was built on lies. 1842 01:23:03,692 --> 01:23:06,903 Just like the abortion industry is built on lies, 1843 01:23:06,945 --> 01:23:09,531 so is imposed death and euthanasia. 1844 01:23:09,572 --> 01:23:11,825 You can't in any way compromise 1845 01:23:11,866 --> 01:23:14,369 when it comes to something that is wicked or evil, 1846 01:23:14,411 --> 01:23:17,330 because it opens the door for others to die the same way. 1847 01:23:17,372 --> 01:23:18,998 (crowd chatters) (drums beating) 1848 01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:20,851 It's good to come here and see everybody, see our friends, 1849 01:23:20,875 --> 01:23:23,545 and know we have to keep fighting and protecting life. 1850 01:23:24,546 --> 01:23:25,588 Hey, Randall! 1851 01:23:27,173 --> 01:23:30,677 - [Young Pro-Lifer] We are the pro-life generation! 1852 01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:33,138 - Say what you want about Terri's condition, 1853 01:23:33,179 --> 01:23:34,556 about her brain injury. 1854 01:23:34,597 --> 01:23:36,808 It doesn't matter, and it shouldn't matter. 1855 01:23:38,226 --> 01:23:42,772 It doesn't in any way justify something that was so wrong. 1856 01:23:46,568 --> 01:23:49,404 - God calls us to go forth from this place 1857 01:23:49,446 --> 01:23:51,740 and build a culture of life. 1858 01:23:51,781 --> 01:23:54,617 (congregation applauds) 1859 01:23:54,659 --> 01:23:57,287 - After Terri Schiavo died, more than ever, 1860 01:23:57,328 --> 01:24:01,207 I think people on the religious right realized, 1861 01:24:01,249 --> 01:24:04,586 "We need to change the federal judiciary." 1862 01:24:04,627 --> 01:24:06,963 - Has Terri Schiavo become the new face 1863 01:24:07,005 --> 01:24:08,524 of the right-to-life movement in this country? 1864 01:24:08,548 --> 01:24:09,966 - [Pro-Lifers] Hey hey, ho ho! 1865 01:24:10,008 --> 01:24:11,801 - Federal judges do matter, 1866 01:24:11,843 --> 01:24:13,779 and it does make a difference who serves on the bench. 1867 01:24:13,803 --> 01:24:15,347 - You don't like the courts? 1868 01:24:16,514 --> 01:24:18,350 Change the membership. 1869 01:24:18,391 --> 01:24:21,102 - I, Samuel A. Alito Jr., do solemnly swear... 1870 01:24:21,144 --> 01:24:25,523 - Judge Alito's horrendous record on the right to privacy 1871 01:24:25,565 --> 01:24:28,485 and a woman's right to make her own choices 1872 01:24:28,526 --> 01:24:32,322 was something that really worried me. 1873 01:24:32,364 --> 01:24:35,742 Can America risk a Supreme Court Justice Alito 1874 01:24:35,784 --> 01:24:37,494 casting the deciding vote 1875 01:24:37,535 --> 01:24:39,621 to drag us through another tragic saga, 1876 01:24:39,662 --> 01:24:41,206 similar to the Terri Schiavo case? 1877 01:24:41,247 --> 01:24:43,708 - It wasn't just the US Supreme Court. 1878 01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:46,002 It was the courts of appeal across the country, 1879 01:24:46,044 --> 01:24:48,922 the district courts, the trial courts, 1880 01:24:48,963 --> 01:24:51,549 where litigation begins at the federal level. 1881 01:24:51,591 --> 01:24:53,760 - This is one of the greatest legacies 1882 01:24:53,802 --> 01:24:56,846 of President Trump and this Republican Senate. 1883 01:24:56,888 --> 01:24:58,890 - It was a deliberate process 1884 01:24:59,766 --> 01:25:02,394 to create a network of judges 1885 01:25:03,311 --> 01:25:05,021 who could build momentum 1886 01:25:05,063 --> 01:25:08,608 and were essentially willing to overturn Roe versus Wade. 1887 01:25:08,650 --> 01:25:10,610 - [Reporter] In this historic 6-to-3 decision 1888 01:25:10,652 --> 01:25:12,320 written by Samuel Alito, 1889 01:25:12,362 --> 01:25:16,074 the Supreme Court has now overturned Roe v. Wade. 1890 01:25:17,742 --> 01:25:20,954 - [Jon] Reproductive choice and the right to die, 1891 01:25:20,995 --> 01:25:23,707 it's two sides of the same coin. 1892 01:25:23,748 --> 01:25:28,336 It's an assault on the right to personal autonomy. 1893 01:25:28,378 --> 01:25:30,839 If Schiavo had happened today, 1894 01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:35,051 I think, likely, it would have a very different outcome. 1895 01:25:37,762 --> 01:25:41,099 I stayed in touch with Michael, to this day. 1896 01:25:42,851 --> 01:25:46,688 He has a wife, he has children, he has a good job, 1897 01:25:46,730 --> 01:25:50,316 and he's back to being a private person. 1898 01:25:50,358 --> 01:25:52,235 He's just a regular guy 1899 01:25:52,277 --> 01:25:56,406 who got caught up in something really extraordinary. 1900 01:25:56,448 --> 01:25:59,034 - I didn't want to get involved in the media. 1901 01:26:00,118 --> 01:26:02,412 There were some points where I had to. 1902 01:26:02,454 --> 01:26:05,457 And when it was over, I wanted it to be over, 1903 01:26:05,498 --> 01:26:06,791 move on with my life. 1904 01:26:07,959 --> 01:26:10,754 - [Jon] The spotlight was brutal for him. 1905 01:26:10,795 --> 01:26:14,841 He endured it, he survived it, and he moved on. 1906 01:26:15,925 --> 01:26:18,219 And he has every reason to avoid it now. 1907 01:26:19,804 --> 01:26:22,932 From his perspective, for him personally, 1908 01:26:22,974 --> 01:26:26,895 there's no reason to dredge all this awful stuff up. 1909 01:26:27,645 --> 01:26:28,813 And I respect that. 1910 01:26:32,442 --> 01:26:35,653 (heels clicking) 1911 01:26:35,695 --> 01:26:37,280 - Throughout this whole thing, 1912 01:26:37,322 --> 01:26:41,951 Terri Schiavo became the poster child for every cause. 1913 01:26:41,993 --> 01:26:45,622 And the causes were all so different, they were opposite! 1914 01:26:45,663 --> 01:26:48,291 Everybody saw what they wanted in her. 1915 01:26:51,711 --> 01:26:53,630 Republicans saw something. 1916 01:26:53,672 --> 01:26:56,966 - What do the lives of the innocent mean to you and I? 1917 01:26:57,008 --> 01:26:59,135 What are we willing to sacrifice? 1918 01:26:59,177 --> 01:27:01,137 - [Anita] The Democrats saw something. 1919 01:27:01,179 --> 01:27:03,682 - How are we going to really prioritize women's healthcare? 1920 01:27:03,723 --> 01:27:05,308 I really want to highlight- 1921 01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:07,328 - [Anita] The different interest groups saw something. 1922 01:27:07,352 --> 01:27:08,853 Every cause claimed her. 1923 01:27:10,897 --> 01:27:13,024 Both sides of her family claimed her. 1924 01:27:14,651 --> 01:27:15,985 But from what I know about her, 1925 01:27:16,027 --> 01:27:18,655 from what her family knows about her, 1926 01:27:18,697 --> 01:27:20,448 she would've hated all of it. 1927 01:27:22,242 --> 01:27:23,242 It's sad, 1928 01:27:24,703 --> 01:27:25,703 you know, 1929 01:27:27,455 --> 01:27:30,583 that all these people were sort of fighting over her, 1930 01:27:30,625 --> 01:27:32,877 but without really knowing her. 1931 01:27:34,879 --> 01:27:38,216 (quiet pensive music) 1932 01:27:58,778 --> 01:28:02,532 (quiet pensive music fades) 1933 01:28:10,999 --> 01:28:13,668 (somber music) 1934 01:28:38,443 --> 01:28:41,529 (wailing horn music) 1935 01:28:56,252 --> 01:29:00,382 (wailing horn music continues) 147895

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