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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,046 --> 00:00:16,118 CHRIS BELL: January 23, 1984. 2 00:00:16,119 --> 00:00:18,690 It was a day that changed my life forever. 3 00:00:18,691 --> 00:00:21,262 PRESIDENT REAGAN:... The muscle, the moral courage that built 4 00:00:21,263 --> 00:00:24,168 the greatest, freest nation the world has ever known. 5 00:00:24,169 --> 00:00:25,905 CHRIS: Ronald Reagan was our President 6 00:00:25,906 --> 00:00:27,942 and there was trouble brewing in Iran. 7 00:00:27,943 --> 00:00:29,679 I was just a kid, 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:31,717 but I knew who was behind it. 9 00:00:31,718 --> 00:00:33,688 His name was The Iron Sheik. 10 00:00:33,689 --> 00:00:36,326 ANNOUNCER: From Tehran, Iran, 11 00:00:36,327 --> 00:00:39,600 weighing 258 Ibs, 12 00:00:39,601 --> 00:00:42,473 The Iron Sheik! 13 00:00:42,474 --> 00:00:44,977 COMMENTATOR: They have a lot of hate in their hearts for this man. 14 00:00:44,978 --> 00:00:49,888 Iran- number one! U.S.A.- ( spits ) 15 00:00:49,889 --> 00:00:52,661 CHRIS: You see, Reagan may have freed the hostages 16 00:00:52,662 --> 00:00:55,900 but The Sheik still had the championship belt. 17 00:00:55,901 --> 00:00:57,838 There was only one man 18 00:00:57,839 --> 00:00:59,842 that could save us. 19 00:00:59,843 --> 00:01:02,982 � I am a real American... � 20 00:01:02,983 --> 00:01:06,389 ANNOUNCER: From Venice Beach, California, 21 00:01:06,390 --> 00:01:11,500 the incredible Hulk Hogan! 22 00:01:11,501 --> 00:01:14,005 COMMENTATOR: And the Hulkster rips off that shirt. 23 00:01:14,006 --> 00:01:16,476 CHRIS: But three minutes into the match 24 00:01:16,477 --> 00:01:19,417 Hulk Hogan was locked in the dreaded camel clutch. 25 00:01:19,418 --> 00:01:21,086 COMMENTATOR: It's over for the Hulk. 26 00:01:21,087 --> 00:01:23,324 CHRIS: This move would snap the back of a normal man, 27 00:01:23,325 --> 00:01:25,429 But this wasn't a normal man. 28 00:01:25,430 --> 00:01:27,032 This was Hulk Hogan 29 00:01:27,033 --> 00:01:29,671 and he was fighting for our country. 30 00:01:29,672 --> 00:01:32,410 The Hulkster got out of the camel clutch 31 00:01:32,411 --> 00:01:34,281 with the Sheik on his back, 32 00:01:34,282 --> 00:01:36,151 dropped the big leg 33 00:01:36,152 --> 00:01:38,155 and he pinned the Sheik. 34 00:01:38,156 --> 00:01:40,661 Hulkamania was born and the message was clear- 35 00:01:40,662 --> 00:01:42,665 You don't mess with Hulk Hogan 36 00:01:42,666 --> 00:01:45,002 and you certainly don't mess with America. 37 00:01:49,513 --> 00:01:50,949 I must break you. 38 00:01:50,950 --> 00:01:53,120 CHRIS: Look what happened to Ivan Drago. 39 00:01:53,121 --> 00:01:54,556 He tried to mess with America 40 00:01:54,557 --> 00:01:56,560 and Rocky kicked his ass. 41 00:01:56,561 --> 00:01:58,865 And then when the Vietnamese were holding P.O.W.S 42 00:01:58,866 --> 00:02:01,403 Rambo went in and he kicked their ass. 43 00:02:01,404 --> 00:02:03,407 And in the spirit of Rambo 44 00:02:03,408 --> 00:02:06,815 let me tell you we're gonna win this time. 45 00:02:06,816 --> 00:02:08,819 CHRIS: Then came Arnold Schwarzenegger, 46 00:02:08,820 --> 00:02:10,556 The ultimate ass-kicker. 47 00:02:10,557 --> 00:02:13,495 I never saw "Gone With the Wind" or "Casablanca," 48 00:02:13,496 --> 00:02:16,568 but I can tell you every line of every Arnold movie. 49 00:02:16,569 --> 00:02:19,574 "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you 50 00:02:19,575 --> 00:02:22,079 and hear the lamentations of the women. " 51 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,785 ( mimics ) "Dylan, you son of a bitch. " 52 00:02:24,786 --> 00:02:27,791 And they go bam! And they're all oiled up and their veins are popping out. 53 00:02:27,792 --> 00:02:30,130 I have the power! 54 00:02:30,131 --> 00:02:32,969 TV ANNOUNCER: Better, Stronger, Faster. 55 00:02:32,970 --> 00:02:34,472 CHRIS: I was just 12 years old 56 00:02:34,473 --> 00:02:37,177 and there was an explosion of ass-kicking in America. 57 00:02:37,178 --> 00:02:39,014 REAGAN: And like our Olympic athletes 58 00:02:39,015 --> 00:02:40,785 we set our sights on the stars 59 00:02:40,786 --> 00:02:42,455 and we're going for the gold. 60 00:02:42,456 --> 00:02:45,494 � the eye of the tiger. � 61 00:02:47,434 --> 00:02:49,437 CHRIS: I wanted to tear off my shirt 62 00:02:49,438 --> 00:02:52,476 and be ripped, tanned and larger than life. 63 00:02:52,477 --> 00:02:53,913 But in reality 64 00:02:53,914 --> 00:02:56,685 I was a fat, pale kid from Poughkeepsie. 65 00:02:56,686 --> 00:02:58,288 You see, I come from an overweight family. 66 00:02:58,289 --> 00:03:01,094 My parents were always a little on the heavy side. 67 00:03:01,095 --> 00:03:03,098 I couldn't ask for a better mom. 68 00:03:03,099 --> 00:03:04,768 She did everything for her three boys. 69 00:03:04,769 --> 00:03:06,505 We went to church three times a week 70 00:03:06,506 --> 00:03:08,543 and she even taught Sunday school. 71 00:03:08,544 --> 00:03:10,814 My dad was always there for us too 72 00:03:10,815 --> 00:03:14,087 and he even coached our little league teams. 73 00:03:14,088 --> 00:03:17,194 I love my dad, but he was never really my hero. 74 00:03:17,195 --> 00:03:19,232 I didn't want to be like him. 75 00:03:19,233 --> 00:03:20,802 I wanted to be like Arnold. 76 00:03:20,803 --> 00:03:24,242 Problem is, I was always too small, too short. 77 00:03:24,243 --> 00:03:27,014 People would say, "Hey, Little Bell. What's up, Little Bell?" 78 00:03:27,015 --> 00:03:29,018 And I didn't want to be Little Bell. 79 00:03:29,019 --> 00:03:31,023 I wanted to be Big Bell. 80 00:03:31,024 --> 00:03:33,561 My older brother Mike was a little chubby 81 00:03:33,562 --> 00:03:35,800 and every morning when he went to school 82 00:03:35,801 --> 00:03:38,405 he'd get on the bus and the kids would call him Pugsley. 83 00:03:38,406 --> 00:03:40,276 He didn't like that too much, 84 00:03:40,277 --> 00:03:42,280 so he beat some of those kids up. 85 00:03:42,281 --> 00:03:45,753 That's where he got the nickname "Mad Dog. " 86 00:03:45,754 --> 00:03:47,825 Mark was the baby of the family. 87 00:03:47,826 --> 00:03:49,862 He had a hard time in school. 88 00:03:49,863 --> 00:03:51,366 He was separated from his friends 89 00:03:51,367 --> 00:03:53,370 and put in the class with the special kids. 90 00:03:53,371 --> 00:03:56,075 It didn't make him feel very special at all. 91 00:03:56,076 --> 00:03:57,711 He hated school, 92 00:03:57,712 --> 00:04:00,384 So he spent all of his time playing sports. 93 00:04:00,385 --> 00:04:02,689 He'd come to the dinner table dripping with sweat. 94 00:04:02,690 --> 00:04:06,062 Mad Dog and I nicknamed him "Smelly. " 95 00:04:06,063 --> 00:04:09,069 So I was the short kid, Mad Dog was the fat kid 96 00:04:09,070 --> 00:04:11,073 And Smelly had a learning disability. 97 00:04:11,074 --> 00:04:13,679 Okay, I get it. We're never gonna make it, right? 98 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,851 But for us, we knew muscles were the answer 99 00:04:16,852 --> 00:04:19,223 and the Hulkster showed us the way. 100 00:04:19,224 --> 00:04:21,261 Train, say your prayers, eat your vitamins. 101 00:04:21,262 --> 00:04:23,699 Be true to yourself, true to your country. 102 00:04:23,700 --> 00:04:26,171 Be a real American. ( exhales ) 103 00:04:26,172 --> 00:04:29,378 CHRIS: So we started training in the basement. 104 00:04:29,379 --> 00:04:30,780 We'd body-slam each other, 105 00:04:30,781 --> 00:04:32,784 drop elbows, D.D.T.S 106 00:04:32,785 --> 00:04:35,657 Double noggin knocker, the abdominal stretch, 107 00:04:35,658 --> 00:04:38,329 the iron claw, the Boston crab 108 00:04:38,330 --> 00:04:39,531 the piledriver. 109 00:04:39,532 --> 00:04:42,070 And when Mad Dog was too tough for me 110 00:04:42,071 --> 00:04:44,074 I would break out the steel chair. 111 00:04:45,312 --> 00:04:47,482 My mom's brother John was a bodybuilder 112 00:04:47,483 --> 00:04:49,920 and he gave me and my brothers our first muscle magazines 113 00:04:49,921 --> 00:04:52,025 and showed us how to work out. 114 00:04:52,026 --> 00:04:54,195 And the next Christmas instead of video games 115 00:04:54,196 --> 00:04:56,367 we got the Hulkamania workout set. 116 00:04:56,368 --> 00:04:59,940 - Are you ready to feel the power? - ( crowd cheering ) 117 00:04:59,941 --> 00:05:02,513 Ladies and gentlemen, we are 118 00:05:02,514 --> 00:05:05,252 the power team! 119 00:05:05,253 --> 00:05:07,424 CHRIS: Mad Dog became the captain of the football team 120 00:05:07,425 --> 00:05:10,797 and Smelly and I both started competing in power lifting. 121 00:05:10,798 --> 00:05:14,504 ANNOUNCER: Chris Bell is next at 425. 122 00:05:14,505 --> 00:05:17,745 CHRIS: Soon I was the strongest kid in my high school. 123 00:05:17,746 --> 00:05:19,749 Then I broke the New York State record. 124 00:05:19,750 --> 00:05:22,687 And that's when I first got accused of using steroids. 125 00:05:30,873 --> 00:05:33,143 I knew guys who used them, but they were losers. 126 00:05:33,144 --> 00:05:36,183 If my heroes didn't need steroids then neither did I. 127 00:05:36,184 --> 00:05:38,187 By the time I was a senior 128 00:05:38,188 --> 00:05:40,358 I was one of the strongest kids in the country. 129 00:05:40,359 --> 00:05:42,262 Hulk Hogan was always talking about 130 00:05:42,263 --> 00:05:45,201 "hanging and banging down at Gold's Gym, Venice Beach, brother. " 131 00:05:45,202 --> 00:05:47,340 I thought, "that's where Arnold trains. 132 00:05:47,341 --> 00:05:49,144 that's where I need to be. " 133 00:05:49,145 --> 00:05:51,148 I was gonna be an American hero 134 00:05:51,149 --> 00:05:53,652 And I was willing to do whatever it takes. 135 00:06:05,111 --> 00:06:07,514 ( alarm buzzes ) 136 00:06:10,589 --> 00:06:13,159 ( sighs ) 137 00:06:13,895 --> 00:06:17,401 ( buzzing ) 138 00:06:42,555 --> 00:06:44,926 CHRIS: It's been 15 years since I got to California 139 00:06:44,927 --> 00:06:47,464 and now I'm 33 years old. 140 00:06:47,465 --> 00:06:50,003 When Arnold was 33 he'd already won 141 00:06:50,004 --> 00:06:52,241 the Mr. Olympia seven times. 142 00:06:52,242 --> 00:06:54,980 Stallone had already made "Rocky I and Rocky II." 143 00:06:54,981 --> 00:06:56,984 And the Hulkster had already been 144 00:06:56,985 --> 00:06:59,790 the heavyweight champion four years in a row. 145 00:06:59,791 --> 00:07:02,863 I really thought muscles were gonna be the answer. 146 00:07:02,864 --> 00:07:06,604 But all they got me was a job selling gym memberships. 147 00:07:06,605 --> 00:07:08,808 I still train every day at Gold's, 148 00:07:08,809 --> 00:07:12,249 But the only thing left of Arnold is a cheap mural on the wall 149 00:07:12,250 --> 00:07:14,721 and a bunch of guys telling stories about the old days, 150 00:07:14,722 --> 00:07:16,224 like my buddy Paul. 151 00:07:16,225 --> 00:07:18,462 It's changed a lot in all these years, you know. 152 00:07:18,463 --> 00:07:19,999 How long have you been here? 153 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,468 Since 1980. 154 00:07:21,469 --> 00:07:23,707 Of course, Arnold was on the scene and Arnold- 155 00:07:23,708 --> 00:07:26,345 Nobody had ever seen anybody who looked like Arnold. 156 00:07:26,346 --> 00:07:28,850 Sylvester Stallone had just done the "Rocky" movies 157 00:07:28,851 --> 00:07:30,888 and he was the type of guy that I could relate to. 158 00:07:30,889 --> 00:07:33,660 CHRIS: Paul even got a chance to work with Sly in "Over the Top. " 159 00:07:33,661 --> 00:07:36,064 I should be able to blow them away real easy. 160 00:07:39,339 --> 00:07:41,610 PAUL: I couldn't believe the dream was coming true. 161 00:07:41,611 --> 00:07:43,281 And did you get a chance to do it again? 162 00:07:43,282 --> 00:07:45,920 No, but I'm hoping to get back in shape 163 00:07:45,921 --> 00:07:47,890 to be able to make that a reality. 164 00:07:47,891 --> 00:07:49,928 You can be on the street one day 165 00:07:49,929 --> 00:07:52,098 and you can be in the penthouse the next. 166 00:07:52,099 --> 00:07:53,868 Anything's possible. 167 00:07:56,509 --> 00:07:58,178 This is my humble abode. 168 00:07:58,179 --> 00:07:59,949 - Your humble abode right here? - Yeah. 169 00:07:59,950 --> 00:08:02,220 So do you actually live in the van? 170 00:08:02,221 --> 00:08:03,957 I actually live- well, I sleep in it, 171 00:08:03,958 --> 00:08:05,393 let's put it this way, yes. 172 00:08:05,394 --> 00:08:07,731 You sleep in it. And then you train over here. 173 00:08:07,732 --> 00:08:10,337 I train here, yeah. 174 00:08:10,338 --> 00:08:11,907 You would see vans like this- 175 00:08:11,908 --> 00:08:13,878 Guys would come from all over the world, 176 00:08:13,879 --> 00:08:15,882 sleep in their cars, this and that- 177 00:08:15,883 --> 00:08:18,086 Anything to get a chance to train at Gold's Gym 178 00:08:18,087 --> 00:08:21,025 because we had something special here. 179 00:08:21,026 --> 00:08:22,562 What would you say to people that say, 180 00:08:22,563 --> 00:08:26,003 "the dream's over, man. You're 50 years old. " 181 00:08:26,004 --> 00:08:27,740 What would you say to those people? 182 00:08:27,741 --> 00:08:30,879 They're the ones that are short-sighted. 183 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,919 Now in six months I could still be in the van, 184 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:35,856 but if I can outlift everybody, 185 00:08:35,857 --> 00:08:38,863 I can outsquat them, outbench them, out-dead-lift them, 186 00:08:38,864 --> 00:08:40,867 - Who's the king? - ( chuckles ) 187 00:08:40,868 --> 00:08:42,403 Guys like you and me 188 00:08:42,404 --> 00:08:45,042 Can fulfill our dreams. 189 00:08:45,043 --> 00:08:46,712 We can train. 190 00:08:46,713 --> 00:08:50,351 Game ain't over. The sun is shining. 191 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:53,894 And it ain't over. 192 00:08:53,895 --> 00:08:56,065 CHRIS: Is that gonna be me in 20 years? 193 00:08:56,066 --> 00:08:58,237 I did everything my heroes said- 194 00:08:58,238 --> 00:09:00,374 I trained, I said my prayers, 195 00:09:00,375 --> 00:09:03,112 I had my vitamins. Where did I go wrong? 196 00:09:08,124 --> 00:09:10,862 - Hey, good morning. - Good morning. 197 00:09:10,863 --> 00:09:13,234 How are you? 198 00:09:13,235 --> 00:09:16,007 I always make the cookie bars 'cause cookie bars are important. 199 00:09:16,008 --> 00:09:17,576 What teams did you make these for? 200 00:09:17,577 --> 00:09:19,313 I made them for Arlington football teams 201 00:09:19,314 --> 00:09:21,217 first time ever they won a ball game. 202 00:09:21,218 --> 00:09:23,489 They used to call them "Rosie's cookie bars" 203 00:09:23,490 --> 00:09:26,094 and they really believe that they help them win all the games. 204 00:09:26,095 --> 00:09:28,399 Wouldn't that be like performance enhancement? 205 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,538 It's not an enhancement. It's a little bit of sugar, 206 00:09:31,539 --> 00:09:33,810 which can get you going, carbs. 207 00:09:33,811 --> 00:09:35,614 But it's all natural ingredients. 208 00:09:35,615 --> 00:09:38,887 There's no steroids in here. 209 00:09:38,888 --> 00:09:42,394 Eating your mom's cooking is sort of comforting, don't you think? 210 00:09:42,395 --> 00:09:43,798 Sure. 211 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:45,501 Things change, 212 00:09:45,502 --> 00:09:48,507 but the cookie bars remain, that's for sure. 213 00:09:48,508 --> 00:09:50,411 CHRIS: My mom likes to think 214 00:09:50,412 --> 00:09:52,482 that the world is as pure as her cookie bars. 215 00:09:52,483 --> 00:09:54,486 But life isn't always like that. 216 00:09:54,487 --> 00:09:57,258 And a lot of things we grew up believing ended up not being true. 217 00:09:57,259 --> 00:10:00,599 First I found out there's no such thing as Santa Claus 218 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,670 or the easter bunny. That kind of sucks. 219 00:10:02,671 --> 00:10:04,474 Then I saw this news report. 220 00:10:04,475 --> 00:10:06,778 REPORTER: The Iron Sheik had been arrested recently 221 00:10:06,779 --> 00:10:08,783 along with wrestler Hacksaw Jim Duggan 222 00:10:08,784 --> 00:10:11,087 while driving along the Garden State Parkway. 223 00:10:11,088 --> 00:10:14,528 The Iron Sheik was charged with possession of cocaine and marijuana. 224 00:10:14,529 --> 00:10:17,134 What has interested most wrestling fans in this case 225 00:10:17,135 --> 00:10:20,140 is that the Iron Sheik and Hacksaw are known to be adversaries. 226 00:10:20,141 --> 00:10:22,144 So why were they traveling together? 227 00:10:22,145 --> 00:10:24,582 CHRIS: Yeah, I thought these guys hated each other. 228 00:10:24,583 --> 00:10:27,455 COMMENTATOR: Wham! Right on the back of the Iron Sheik! 229 00:10:27,456 --> 00:10:29,826 CHRIS: Was their feud all made up? 230 00:10:29,827 --> 00:10:31,663 Was wrestling fake? 231 00:10:31,664 --> 00:10:34,102 Who's left to believe in anymore? 232 00:10:34,103 --> 00:10:36,340 Well, at least I still had my heroes. 233 00:10:36,341 --> 00:10:38,277 Those guys would never let me down. 234 00:10:38,278 --> 00:10:40,849 � I need a hero... � 235 00:10:40,850 --> 00:10:43,221 REPORTER: Today Hogan admits the famous physique 236 00:10:43,222 --> 00:10:45,359 was the result of 12 years of steroids. 237 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,501 CHRIS: Truth is, all my heroes had a dirty little secret. 238 00:10:49,502 --> 00:10:51,972 Hollywood actor Sylvester Stallone has been charged 239 00:10:51,973 --> 00:10:53,976 with importing bodybuilding drugs 240 00:10:53,977 --> 00:10:55,948 when he visited Australia last month. 241 00:10:55,949 --> 00:10:57,852 - MAN: Did you take steroids? - I take them. 242 00:10:57,853 --> 00:11:00,256 I took them, yeah, up until the competition. 243 00:11:00,257 --> 00:11:02,260 CHRIS: I was always against steroids 244 00:11:02,261 --> 00:11:04,532 and when I found out that all my heroes used them 245 00:11:04,533 --> 00:11:07,204 I'd like to say it didn't bother me, but it really did. 246 00:11:07,205 --> 00:11:09,175 I can't imagine how my mom would feel 247 00:11:09,176 --> 00:11:11,179 if she found out that both of my brothers 248 00:11:11,180 --> 00:11:13,718 are on steroids right now. 249 00:11:13,719 --> 00:11:16,256 My older brother started using steroids 250 00:11:16,257 --> 00:11:18,261 when he went to play Division I football 251 00:11:18,262 --> 00:11:19,997 at the University of Cincinnati. 252 00:11:19,998 --> 00:11:22,369 When I got to Cincinnati the practices were so grueling, 253 00:11:22,370 --> 00:11:24,573 much more than what I expected. 254 00:11:24,574 --> 00:11:27,245 Coaches would say, "you gotta get bigger, stronger, faster. " 255 00:11:27,246 --> 00:11:28,682 - CHRIS: Was it intimidating? - Oh, man, 256 00:11:28,683 --> 00:11:30,753 A lot different than I thought it was gonna be. 257 00:11:30,754 --> 00:11:33,759 SHELDON BELL: He called me from Cincinnati and asked me for money for steroids. 258 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,298 I said, "what do you need that for?" he says, "I can't compete here. " 259 00:11:36,299 --> 00:11:39,237 So I'm like, "I don't know what that is. It sounds like drugs. " 260 00:11:39,238 --> 00:11:42,043 He goes, "it is drugs. " I said, "I'm not gonna send you money for drugs. 261 00:11:42,044 --> 00:11:44,047 If you want drugs go get a job. " 262 00:11:44,048 --> 00:11:46,853 I remember at one point I think you maybe came home 263 00:11:46,854 --> 00:11:48,858 for a break or you did something 264 00:11:48,859 --> 00:11:51,429 and you told me, "hey, come here, help me out. " 265 00:11:51,430 --> 00:11:54,636 And you pulled down your pants and you're like, "you have to inject this in me. " 266 00:11:54,637 --> 00:11:56,974 And I hated it 'cause I was totally against steroids. 267 00:11:56,975 --> 00:11:59,846 And you were like, "come on, just do it. You have to do it. " 268 00:11:59,847 --> 00:12:02,686 You gotta help your big brother out, man. So it was no decision at all. 269 00:12:02,687 --> 00:12:06,427 Everybody else that was doing well was on 'em. 270 00:12:06,428 --> 00:12:08,498 CHRIS: Shortly after getting on the juice 271 00:12:08,499 --> 00:12:10,803 Mad Dog quit college to pursue an even bigger dream. 272 00:12:10,804 --> 00:12:12,873 COMMENTATOR: Oh, look at that now! 273 00:12:12,874 --> 00:12:14,410 Here we go! Mike Bell! 274 00:12:14,411 --> 00:12:15,947 CHRIS: I couldn't believe it. 275 00:12:15,948 --> 00:12:17,918 That was my big brother wrestling on T.V. 276 00:12:17,919 --> 00:12:19,988 COMMENTATOR: Right hand by Bell. Oh, man! 277 00:12:19,989 --> 00:12:21,992 CHRIS: Mad Dog wanted to be a superstar, 278 00:12:21,993 --> 00:12:23,996 But he was what they call a "jobber. " 279 00:12:23,997 --> 00:12:25,901 That's the guy they pay to get beat up 280 00:12:25,902 --> 00:12:28,272 to make the other guys look good. He didn't care, though. 281 00:12:28,273 --> 00:12:31,245 He was gonna get himself a contract and headline "Wrestlemania. " 282 00:12:31,246 --> 00:12:33,082 COMMENTATOR: Why did you even come in the ring? 283 00:12:33,083 --> 00:12:34,486 You should have gone home, dummy. 284 00:12:34,487 --> 00:12:36,356 CHRIS: But he never got the contract 285 00:12:36,357 --> 00:12:39,329 And eventually the W.W.E. stopped calling. 286 00:12:39,330 --> 00:12:41,333 Why did you think you didn't make it? 287 00:12:41,334 --> 00:12:44,005 Probably mostly my own fault. 288 00:12:44,006 --> 00:12:46,176 I went from being a guy who used steroids 289 00:12:46,177 --> 00:12:48,013 to a guy who used steroids and pot. 290 00:12:48,014 --> 00:12:50,018 And I still needed to escape reality 291 00:12:50,019 --> 00:12:52,723 so I started taking ecstasy, cocaine, acid, painkillers. 292 00:12:52,724 --> 00:12:55,028 COMMENTATOR: Mike Bell is where he does not need to be now. 293 00:12:55,029 --> 00:12:57,032 He's in the wrong corner and he's paying the price. 294 00:12:57,033 --> 00:12:59,036 CHRIS: Mad Dog always told me 295 00:12:59,037 --> 00:13:01,073 that he'd rather be dead than average. 296 00:13:01,074 --> 00:13:02,978 And when he thought his dream was over 297 00:13:02,979 --> 00:13:05,516 he couldn't cope with the failure. 298 00:13:05,517 --> 00:13:07,287 MIKE: So I had a bottle of liquid lead, 299 00:13:07,288 --> 00:13:09,659 a bottle of NyQuil and four boxes of sleeping pills. 300 00:13:09,660 --> 00:13:11,362 I went down to the river 301 00:13:11,363 --> 00:13:13,867 down by the railroad tracks, 302 00:13:13,868 --> 00:13:17,474 parked my car, took everything. 303 00:13:17,475 --> 00:13:20,647 ROSEMARY: And he tried to walk into the- 304 00:13:22,118 --> 00:13:25,792 He tried to walk into the Hudson river. 305 00:13:25,793 --> 00:13:27,896 CHRIS: So did you take all the sleeping pills? 306 00:13:27,897 --> 00:13:29,666 - Everything. - And the lead additive? 307 00:13:29,667 --> 00:13:31,872 There's no way I should be alive right now. There's no way. 308 00:13:31,873 --> 00:13:33,575 CHRIS: It's 10 years later 309 00:13:33,576 --> 00:13:35,412 and despite everything that happened 310 00:13:35,413 --> 00:13:37,550 Mad Dog is still trying to get that contract, 311 00:13:37,551 --> 00:13:39,554 Trying to keep the dream alive. 312 00:13:39,555 --> 00:13:41,558 'Cause I've been all over the world 313 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,832 from Singapore to Louisville, and it doesn't matter- 314 00:13:44,833 --> 00:13:47,336 You line 'em up, I'll knock 'em down. 315 00:13:47,337 --> 00:13:49,040 I can see why you never made it. 316 00:13:49,041 --> 00:13:50,911 ( laughing ) 317 00:13:50,912 --> 00:13:53,583 CHRIS: Mad Dog used to wrestle in front of a television audience 318 00:13:53,584 --> 00:13:55,587 of 10 million people every week, 319 00:13:55,588 --> 00:13:59,629 but tonight he's wrestling at the Portuguese Men's Center 320 00:13:59,630 --> 00:14:03,571 In front of 200 people for about 50 bucks. 321 00:14:03,572 --> 00:14:05,574 ( yells ) 322 00:14:07,079 --> 00:14:09,784 CHRIS: And instead of wrestling Bret the Hitman Hart 323 00:14:09,785 --> 00:14:11,554 He's facing Midgeto 324 00:14:11,555 --> 00:14:13,558 And he's getting his ass kicked. 325 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,227 ( crowd cheering ) 326 00:14:15,228 --> 00:14:17,264 Come on, man, come on. 327 00:14:19,838 --> 00:14:22,476 CHRIS: My baby brother Smelly was always trying to keep up 328 00:14:22,477 --> 00:14:24,881 and despite everything that happened to Mad Dog 329 00:14:24,882 --> 00:14:26,885 he followed in his footsteps anyway, 330 00:14:26,886 --> 00:14:29,858 becoming a pro wrestler and using steroids. 331 00:14:29,859 --> 00:14:32,430 The reason I decided to use steroids was simple. 332 00:14:32,431 --> 00:14:33,934 I just needed to get bigger. 333 00:14:33,935 --> 00:14:35,436 That was pretty much it. 334 00:14:35,437 --> 00:14:37,775 CHRIS: But unlike when Mad Dog started using steroids, 335 00:14:37,776 --> 00:14:39,445 Smelly had a wife to consider. 336 00:14:39,446 --> 00:14:41,081 When you got married did you ever think 337 00:14:41,082 --> 00:14:43,320 that your husband would be injecting himself with something? 338 00:14:43,321 --> 00:14:46,293 No, that didn't even enter in my conscious thought. 339 00:14:46,294 --> 00:14:48,831 When I first met him he was against steroids. 340 00:14:48,832 --> 00:14:50,200 He was like, "you don't need to do it. 341 00:14:50,201 --> 00:14:52,406 I've never done 'em. I just don't believe in 'em. " 342 00:14:52,407 --> 00:14:54,343 MARK: I was pretty upset about it 343 00:14:54,344 --> 00:14:56,614 Because I didn't want it to come to that. I was kind of scared. 344 00:14:56,615 --> 00:15:00,555 I didn't want to inject this oil into my body. 345 00:15:00,556 --> 00:15:02,593 I thought it was weird. 346 00:15:02,594 --> 00:15:04,597 He's not a huge guy, you know. 347 00:15:04,598 --> 00:15:06,234 He's 6' if he's lucky 348 00:15:06,235 --> 00:15:09,607 and so I knew that it was definitely going to help 349 00:15:09,608 --> 00:15:12,748 because that's what it does, 350 00:15:12,749 --> 00:15:15,252 what steroids do- make you bigger. 351 00:15:15,253 --> 00:15:18,493 She basically said, "do what you need to do. " 352 00:15:18,494 --> 00:15:20,497 ANDEE: Here's Jake with the daddy. 353 00:15:20,498 --> 00:15:22,401 CHRIS: After their son was born Smelly decided 354 00:15:22,402 --> 00:15:26,009 The life of a pro wrestler was not exactly what he wanted anymore. 355 00:15:26,010 --> 00:15:28,046 Here's my little Jake in his swing. 356 00:15:28,047 --> 00:15:31,185 Mark: Looking back, I don't really know what the hell I wanted. 357 00:15:31,186 --> 00:15:33,924 Having a contract means that you belong to W.W.E. 358 00:15:33,925 --> 00:15:36,130 And you have to travel. I was married with a kid. 359 00:15:36,131 --> 00:15:38,835 I mean, that's really all I need- 360 00:15:38,836 --> 00:15:41,006 A house, a kid and a wife. I'm set. 361 00:15:41,007 --> 00:15:42,677 One, two, three! 362 00:15:42,678 --> 00:15:44,247 CHRIS: They settled down in the suburbs 363 00:15:44,248 --> 00:15:46,251 and Smelly even opened up his own gym. 364 00:15:46,252 --> 00:15:47,988 Yeah, my little brother gave up 365 00:15:47,989 --> 00:15:50,125 the wrestling dream for a respectable family life, 366 00:15:50,126 --> 00:15:52,296 but he didn't quite give up everything. 367 00:15:52,297 --> 00:15:54,800 ( crowd cheering ) 368 00:15:56,272 --> 00:15:58,276 MARK: Now that I'm into it 369 00:15:58,277 --> 00:16:01,315 I realize it's not really all that bad. I love steroids. 370 00:16:01,316 --> 00:16:04,021 I think I'll probably be on and off of them 371 00:16:04,022 --> 00:16:05,725 probably forever. 372 00:16:05,726 --> 00:16:07,695 This is what you trained for! This is what you do! 373 00:16:07,696 --> 00:16:10,267 Come on, boy! 374 00:16:10,268 --> 00:16:12,338 ANDEE: I thought that we had an agreement 375 00:16:12,339 --> 00:16:13,807 that he did it for wrestling. 376 00:16:13,808 --> 00:16:15,411 Now he's not wrestling anymore 377 00:16:15,412 --> 00:16:17,716 so naturally I thought he would just stop. 378 00:16:17,717 --> 00:16:20,020 MARK: In my mind there's no excuse 379 00:16:20,021 --> 00:16:22,359 for not being as strong as you possibly can be. 380 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:23,561 ( crowd cheering ) 381 00:16:23,562 --> 00:16:26,366 You do what you gotta do to win. 382 00:16:27,737 --> 00:16:29,773 ANNOUNCER: Come on, Chris, let's do this now. 383 00:16:31,579 --> 00:16:34,684 ANNOUNCER: Let's give it up for him. It's a lot of weight. 384 00:16:34,685 --> 00:16:36,455 MAN: There it is. 385 00:16:36,456 --> 00:16:38,190 Come on now! 386 00:16:40,164 --> 00:16:42,200 ( cheering ) 387 00:16:42,201 --> 00:16:46,041 ANNOUNCER: Smoke show! Come on, Chris. 388 00:16:48,448 --> 00:16:50,917 - Take it, take it. - MEN: Take it, take it. 389 00:16:52,489 --> 00:16:54,492 ANNOUNCER: Nice try, Chris, nice try. 390 00:16:54,493 --> 00:16:56,664 MARK: If you are apprehensive 391 00:16:56,665 --> 00:16:58,901 about taking a steroid or you're apprehensive 392 00:16:58,902 --> 00:17:01,106 about trying some new methods 393 00:17:01,107 --> 00:17:03,277 then maybe you're not cut out to be a champion. 394 00:17:03,278 --> 00:17:06,117 ANNOUNCER: In first place, Mark Bell. 395 00:17:06,118 --> 00:17:09,089 CHRIS: I guess I'm not cut out to be a champion, 396 00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:12,430 because I tried steroids but I felt so guilty I had to stop. 397 00:17:12,431 --> 00:17:14,734 - Are you gonna win worst overall lifter? - Yeah. 398 00:17:14,735 --> 00:17:16,371 CHRIS: And now I can't even compete 399 00:17:16,372 --> 00:17:18,275 In the sport I grew up loving. 400 00:17:18,276 --> 00:17:21,816 I mean, my baby brother just beat me by 130 Ibs. 401 00:17:21,817 --> 00:17:23,620 ( sighs ) 402 00:17:23,621 --> 00:17:26,359 We all grew up in the same house, 403 00:17:26,360 --> 00:17:29,966 so why are my brothers fine with steroids but I'm not? 404 00:17:29,967 --> 00:17:31,736 What would you say the differences are 405 00:17:31,737 --> 00:17:34,275 - between the three kids. - Between the three? 406 00:17:34,276 --> 00:17:36,580 Well, I always kind of say it like this- 407 00:17:36,581 --> 00:17:39,051 you were in the middle of two guys 408 00:17:39,052 --> 00:17:40,955 that were very strapping, athletic, 409 00:17:40,956 --> 00:17:42,960 and you were tiny and short in stature, 410 00:17:42,961 --> 00:17:46,200 so I worked extra hard to make you feel extra special. 411 00:17:46,201 --> 00:17:48,070 One day I took you in your room- 412 00:17:48,071 --> 00:17:50,809 I don't know if you remember this conversation where I said, 413 00:17:50,810 --> 00:17:53,381 "Christopher, what's the best part of an Oreo cookie?" 414 00:17:53,382 --> 00:17:55,319 What is the best part of an Oreo cookie? 415 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,623 - The middle. - The middle. That's right. 416 00:17:57,624 --> 00:18:01,499 So even though you have two sides of a cookie on this end, 417 00:18:01,500 --> 00:18:03,268 the middle part is the most delicious. 418 00:18:03,269 --> 00:18:05,640 Everybody wants the middle. They even made double stuff. 419 00:18:05,641 --> 00:18:08,379 CHRIS: Yep, this is pretty much how it was growing up. 420 00:18:08,380 --> 00:18:10,083 Mom stayed at home with the kids 421 00:18:10,084 --> 00:18:12,755 while Dad wore a suit and tie and went to work. 422 00:18:12,756 --> 00:18:16,195 He was at I.B.M. for 20 years until he was downsized. 423 00:18:16,196 --> 00:18:18,700 But now he has his own business doing taxes. 424 00:18:18,701 --> 00:18:20,972 SHELDON: Everybody thinks that success in America 425 00:18:20,973 --> 00:18:23,477 is in the amount of dollars that you have. And that's not true. 426 00:18:23,478 --> 00:18:25,314 The real true heroes are people 427 00:18:25,315 --> 00:18:27,318 who go to work every day and do their job 428 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:29,924 and bring up their kids to the best of their ability. 429 00:18:29,925 --> 00:18:31,928 CHRIS: I wanted to be Hulk Hogan. 430 00:18:31,929 --> 00:18:34,600 I wanted to be Arnold. I wanted to be Sylvester Stallone. 431 00:18:34,601 --> 00:18:37,105 Did you have heroes like that growing up, when you were a kid? 432 00:18:37,106 --> 00:18:40,045 SHELDON: Yeah, we did. We had heroes 433 00:18:40,046 --> 00:18:43,519 like Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris. 434 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,856 But I knew I could never aspire to it 435 00:18:45,857 --> 00:18:48,128 because back then you grew up, 436 00:18:48,129 --> 00:18:50,466 you graduated, you got married and you had kids. 437 00:18:50,467 --> 00:18:53,205 CHRIS: Yeah, my dad had the American dream- 438 00:18:53,206 --> 00:18:55,377 you know, marry your high-school sweetheart, 439 00:18:55,378 --> 00:18:58,951 buy a house and take your kids to see the Yankees. 440 00:18:58,952 --> 00:19:00,955 But things are different now. 441 00:19:00,956 --> 00:19:04,362 And even baseball's changed from when my dad was growing up. 442 00:19:04,363 --> 00:19:06,367 And now when I think of baseball 443 00:19:06,368 --> 00:19:09,238 I don't think about the Babe or Hammerin' Hank. 444 00:19:11,678 --> 00:19:13,714 I think of steroids. 445 00:19:13,715 --> 00:19:18,492 COMMENTATOR: This one is a monster! It is out of here! 446 00:19:18,493 --> 00:19:22,733 CHRIS: After the strike of '94 baseball was almost dead. 447 00:19:22,734 --> 00:19:24,837 But then Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa 448 00:19:24,838 --> 00:19:26,943 started smashing home runs, 449 00:19:26,944 --> 00:19:29,180 racing toward the single-season record. 450 00:19:29,181 --> 00:19:31,284 You see, about 1000 years ago 451 00:19:31,285 --> 00:19:33,990 Babe Ruth had 60 home runs in one season. 452 00:19:33,991 --> 00:19:35,827 And then when my parents were still kids 453 00:19:35,828 --> 00:19:38,132 Roger Maris hit number 61. 454 00:19:38,133 --> 00:19:40,771 He was the home-run champ for 37 years 455 00:19:40,772 --> 00:19:44,044 until Big Mac came along and crushed that record 456 00:19:44,045 --> 00:19:47,452 with 70 home runs and baseball was saved. 457 00:19:47,453 --> 00:19:49,189 COMMENTATOR: Gone! 458 00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:52,930 Mark McGuire, you have just broken the home-run record. 459 00:19:52,931 --> 00:19:54,767 What are you going to do next? 460 00:19:54,768 --> 00:19:56,736 We're going to Disney World. 461 00:19:58,342 --> 00:20:01,281 CHRIS: I guess Barry Bonds wanted to go to Disney world too 462 00:20:01,282 --> 00:20:02,783 'cause in 2001 463 00:20:02,784 --> 00:20:05,188 he smashed 73 bombs to break McGuire's record. 464 00:20:05,189 --> 00:20:06,825 COMMENTATOR: This is the one! 465 00:20:06,826 --> 00:20:08,829 There's a new record homer! 466 00:20:08,830 --> 00:20:11,602 CHRIS: See, baseball players used to be scrawny, 467 00:20:11,603 --> 00:20:14,474 but now these guys were jacked and it was cool. 468 00:20:14,475 --> 00:20:16,880 They started looking like pro wrestlers. 469 00:20:16,881 --> 00:20:20,186 JOE BUCK: If you were to construct a home-run hitter 470 00:20:20,187 --> 00:20:23,593 in a lab, put him together, he'd look like that. 471 00:20:23,594 --> 00:20:25,898 CHRIS: Turns out, that was kind of what was going on. 472 00:20:25,899 --> 00:20:28,470 The man with ties to some big-name athletes 473 00:20:28,471 --> 00:20:30,174 has been charged with providing 474 00:20:30,175 --> 00:20:32,244 performance-enhancing drugs to the pros. 475 00:20:32,245 --> 00:20:35,184 CHRIS: The guy with the pencil-thin mustache is Victor Conte. 476 00:20:35,185 --> 00:20:37,789 He used to be the bass player for Tower of Power, 477 00:20:37,790 --> 00:20:39,793 but when that career didn't work out 478 00:20:39,794 --> 00:20:41,999 he did what any failed musician would do- 479 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,704 he started selling undetectable steroids to athletes. 480 00:20:44,705 --> 00:20:46,742 REPORTER: Will you name names? 481 00:20:46,743 --> 00:20:48,579 There will be naming of names. 482 00:20:48,580 --> 00:20:51,618 CHRIS: Conte's files named over 250 athletes, 483 00:20:51,619 --> 00:20:55,259 including the home-run king himself, Barry Bonds. 484 00:20:55,260 --> 00:20:57,363 And then something even crazier happened- 485 00:20:57,364 --> 00:20:59,502 Jose Canseco wrote a book. 486 00:20:59,503 --> 00:21:02,841 The surprise wasn't that he was literate, it's what he wrote about. 487 00:21:02,842 --> 00:21:05,180 He said he'd been taking steroids since '86, 488 00:21:05,181 --> 00:21:07,618 that 80% of baseball was on the juice 489 00:21:07,619 --> 00:21:10,257 and that he personally injected his former bash brother 490 00:21:10,258 --> 00:21:12,161 Mark McGuire in the ass. 491 00:21:12,162 --> 00:21:13,364 But why, Mr. McGuire? 492 00:21:13,365 --> 00:21:15,702 Do you want to know the terrifying truth 493 00:21:15,703 --> 00:21:17,973 or do you want to see me sock a few dingers? 494 00:21:17,974 --> 00:21:20,411 Dingers! Dingers! 495 00:21:20,713 --> 00:21:22,348 Ooh. 496 00:21:22,349 --> 00:21:24,554 All right, Congress wants to haul 497 00:21:24,555 --> 00:21:26,090 a bunch of baseball players 498 00:21:26,091 --> 00:21:27,960 up to Capitol Hill to talk about steroids. 499 00:21:27,961 --> 00:21:32,203 CHRIS: In 2005 Congress spent 151 days in session. 500 00:21:32,204 --> 00:21:35,042 They spent eight of those days debating steroids in sports. 501 00:21:35,043 --> 00:21:38,081 That's more time than they spent on national healthcare, 502 00:21:38,082 --> 00:21:40,085 why the levees broke in New Orleans, 503 00:21:40,086 --> 00:21:42,090 and more than ending the war in Iraq. 504 00:21:42,091 --> 00:21:44,495 Apparently, the United States Congress 505 00:21:44,496 --> 00:21:47,534 takes this whole national pastime thing kind of seriously. 506 00:21:47,535 --> 00:21:50,541 I'm a baseball fan. I always have been. 507 00:21:50,542 --> 00:21:53,213 Let me just start by saying that I am a huge baseball fan. 508 00:21:53,214 --> 00:21:55,551 For me baseball is not a game, it's a passion. 509 00:21:55,552 --> 00:21:57,722 We have every right to be concerned 510 00:21:57,723 --> 00:22:00,829 that the national pastime and all that it represents 511 00:22:00,830 --> 00:22:06,340 has been threatened by the selfish actions of a few. 512 00:22:06,341 --> 00:22:09,747 There's something simply un-American about this. 513 00:22:09,748 --> 00:22:13,254 CHRIS: If using steroids makes the Bash brothers un-American, 514 00:22:13,255 --> 00:22:16,395 what does that make the Bell brothers? 515 00:22:16,396 --> 00:22:19,768 Congressman Kanjorski, do you think that this is not a matter 516 00:22:19,769 --> 00:22:21,638 for the U.S. Congress to be deliberating? 517 00:22:21,639 --> 00:22:23,309 I just don't think it's necessary. 518 00:22:23,310 --> 00:22:25,246 Why are we just gonna call seven people 519 00:22:25,247 --> 00:22:26,649 and of what importance are they? 520 00:22:26,650 --> 00:22:29,922 In the last 52 years we've only done it 25 times. 521 00:22:29,923 --> 00:22:31,926 14 of those times were 522 00:22:31,927 --> 00:22:34,030 by the un-American activities committee. 523 00:22:35,635 --> 00:22:38,540 Are you now or have ever been a member of the Communist Party? 524 00:22:38,541 --> 00:22:41,379 Well, sir, I'm not here to talk about the past. 525 00:22:41,380 --> 00:22:44,953 I have never used steroids, period. 526 00:22:44,954 --> 00:22:47,960 Did you know that other players were using steroids? 527 00:22:47,961 --> 00:22:51,668 I have never seen a syringe. I have never seen steroids. 528 00:22:51,669 --> 00:22:54,173 But in locker-room gossip- you may not have seen it. 529 00:22:54,174 --> 00:22:56,745 People talk, right? "this guy's doing something, that guy's doing something. " 530 00:22:56,746 --> 00:23:00,119 Now Mr. McGuire, would you like to comment on that? 531 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:02,557 You don't want to comment? 532 00:23:02,558 --> 00:23:04,460 Are you taking the fifth? 533 00:23:05,765 --> 00:23:08,636 This is about values. It's about our culture. 534 00:23:08,637 --> 00:23:11,108 It's about who we define ourselves to be. 535 00:23:11,109 --> 00:23:13,981 When we want to define to a foreign country 536 00:23:13,982 --> 00:23:17,454 what we're about and you're gonna show a film, 537 00:23:17,455 --> 00:23:19,826 what would you go show? 538 00:23:19,827 --> 00:23:21,830 CHRIS: Hey, how about "Rocky IV"? 539 00:23:21,831 --> 00:23:23,601 There's nothing more American than that. 540 00:23:23,602 --> 00:23:26,373 The big Russian trains in a high-tech facility 541 00:23:26,374 --> 00:23:29,045 with a whole team of scientists and trainers, 542 00:23:29,046 --> 00:23:32,018 and of course he takes steroids. 543 00:23:32,019 --> 00:23:33,822 Meanwhile, Rocky's out there lifting logs, 544 00:23:33,823 --> 00:23:37,730 chopping wood, training in a barn the all-natural way, 545 00:23:37,731 --> 00:23:40,469 'cause only Commies would take steroids, right? 546 00:23:40,470 --> 00:23:43,174 Sure, Sly, whatever you say. 547 00:23:43,175 --> 00:23:45,580 Truth is, steroids were the secret weapon 548 00:23:45,581 --> 00:23:47,384 that helped American fight the Russians 549 00:23:47,385 --> 00:23:49,087 on the Olympic battlefield. 550 00:23:49,088 --> 00:23:51,091 And it all began here, 551 00:23:51,092 --> 00:23:53,429 York BarHenry in Pennsylvania. 552 00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:55,433 CHRIS: When you were an Olympic coach 553 00:23:55,434 --> 00:23:58,039 did you see a lot of steroid use going on? 554 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,544 ( laughs ) Much. 555 00:24:00,545 --> 00:24:01,980 - Yeah. - Much. 556 00:24:01,981 --> 00:24:05,287 Smitty's 83, one of the old-timers. 557 00:24:05,288 --> 00:24:08,762 He was the coach of the Olympic weight-lifting team back then. 558 00:24:08,763 --> 00:24:10,607 Was it ever thought of as cheating at that point? 559 00:24:10,608 --> 00:24:15,101 No. No, because we figured everybody was taking it. 560 00:24:15,102 --> 00:24:17,105 We figured even steven. 561 00:24:17,106 --> 00:24:19,643 Smitty told me the story about how anabolic steroids 562 00:24:19,644 --> 00:24:21,547 were first introduced to the U.S. Olympic team. 563 00:24:21,548 --> 00:24:23,650 - ( Soviet hymn playing ) - It was the late 1950s 564 00:24:23,651 --> 00:24:26,356 and the Russians were dominating America 565 00:24:26,357 --> 00:24:27,958 in the space race and at the Olympics. 566 00:24:27,959 --> 00:24:31,398 But one night the Russian coach got drunk 567 00:24:31,399 --> 00:24:33,369 and told the American coach 568 00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:35,873 they'd been injecting their athletes with steroids. 569 00:24:35,874 --> 00:24:37,543 The American coach raced home 570 00:24:37,544 --> 00:24:39,647 and developed an even more powerful steroid 571 00:24:39,648 --> 00:24:42,885 specifically for team U.S.A. 572 00:24:42,886 --> 00:24:46,826 So if steroids actually helped America beat the commies, 573 00:24:46,827 --> 00:24:49,665 How did it get such a bad rap? 574 00:24:49,666 --> 00:24:52,737 MARIA SHRIVER: Last week former N.F.L. Defensive lineman Lyle Alzado 575 00:24:52,738 --> 00:24:55,809 told N.B.C. News that steroids were the cause 576 00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:58,113 of his inoperable brain cancer. 577 00:24:58,114 --> 00:24:59,750 How long were you on steroids? 578 00:24:59,751 --> 00:25:01,753 Most of my pro career. 579 00:25:01,754 --> 00:25:04,158 You know, I played 16 years. 580 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:06,930 And it got me where I wanted but also got me very sick. 581 00:25:06,931 --> 00:25:08,666 CHRIS: Lyle Alzado went from being 582 00:25:08,667 --> 00:25:10,670 the toughest son of a bitch in the N.F.L. 583 00:25:10,671 --> 00:25:12,673 to being a sad dying man. 584 00:25:12,674 --> 00:25:15,613 Everything I saw on T.V. taught me that steroids kill. 585 00:25:15,614 --> 00:25:18,084 Some alarming news about steroid use tonight. 586 00:25:18,085 --> 00:25:20,053 REPORTER: A drug bust in Phoenix, Arizona, 587 00:25:20,054 --> 00:25:21,924 not for heroin or cocaine, 588 00:25:21,925 --> 00:25:24,262 but for something just as dangerous. 589 00:25:24,263 --> 00:25:26,266 Health damage from steroids can include 590 00:25:26,267 --> 00:25:28,870 heart, joint and reproductive problems, 591 00:25:28,871 --> 00:25:30,306 this is a drug that kills. 592 00:25:30,307 --> 00:25:32,844 What happens is that these retarded idiots 593 00:25:32,845 --> 00:25:34,848 that give us the news, these talking heads 594 00:25:34,849 --> 00:25:37,819 that babble on T.V. give us this rhetoric 595 00:25:37,820 --> 00:25:39,823 that comes from not one single expert. 596 00:25:39,824 --> 00:25:43,363 And they say ridiculous things like steroids will kill you, 597 00:25:43,364 --> 00:25:45,434 they'll rot your kidneys, they'll give you cancer, 598 00:25:45,435 --> 00:25:47,604 they'll do all these horrible things that are just not true. 599 00:25:47,605 --> 00:25:50,843 CHRIS: John Romano is the senior editor of a bodybuilding magazine 600 00:25:50,844 --> 00:25:53,515 and he disagrees with what his media colleagues think of steroids. 601 00:25:53,516 --> 00:25:55,619 Well, how come we hear constantly in the news 602 00:25:55,620 --> 00:25:57,556 that people are dying through taking steroids? 603 00:25:57,557 --> 00:25:59,559 - Show me the bodies. - Lyle Alzado. 604 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,563 Lyle Alzado didn't die from steroids. 605 00:26:01,564 --> 00:26:02,899 I trained with him for two years. 606 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:05,236 He didn't die from steroids. He died from a brain tumor. 607 00:26:05,237 --> 00:26:07,908 I don't know of any of my colleagues that link 608 00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:11,047 his central nervous system lymphoma to his use of steroids. 609 00:26:11,048 --> 00:26:13,051 CHRIS: Dr. Charles Yesalis has published 610 00:26:13,052 --> 00:26:15,054 over 70 articles on the use of steroids 611 00:26:15,055 --> 00:26:18,527 and is one of the top experts in the world on drugs in sports. 612 00:26:18,528 --> 00:26:20,698 - Are steroids killing people? - good question. 613 00:26:20,699 --> 00:26:22,702 They've been used in medicine 614 00:26:22,703 --> 00:26:24,705 since the late 1930s. 615 00:26:24,706 --> 00:26:27,010 I hope we haven't been purposely killing people. 616 00:26:27,011 --> 00:26:29,648 Can they be used safely? Yeah. 617 00:26:29,649 --> 00:26:33,789 These drugs are a boon in the medical profession. 618 00:26:33,790 --> 00:26:36,527 They're a miracle drug for people with muscle wasting. 619 00:26:36,528 --> 00:26:40,000 They are a miracle drug for burn victims, 620 00:26:40,001 --> 00:26:43,540 for cancer patients, people recovering from surgery. 621 00:26:43,541 --> 00:26:45,911 CHRIS: And for people with A.I.D.S. like Jeff Taylor. 622 00:26:45,912 --> 00:26:48,816 Jeff has been fighting H.I.V. for 25 years 623 00:26:48,817 --> 00:26:50,920 and he says steroids saved his life. 624 00:26:50,921 --> 00:26:54,327 Back in '92 I was down to two "T" cells 625 00:26:54,328 --> 00:26:57,433 and very sick. I'd developed P.C.P. pneumonia. 626 00:26:57,434 --> 00:26:59,770 Both my lungs collapsed. I almost didn't make it. 627 00:26:59,771 --> 00:27:02,342 I came out of a hospital weighing 125 Ibs. 628 00:27:02,343 --> 00:27:05,681 So I started researching and found a clinical trial in L.A. 629 00:27:05,682 --> 00:27:08,252 They were studying Anavar, an old bodybuilding drug, 630 00:27:08,253 --> 00:27:10,857 to test how it worked for people with H.I.V. 631 00:27:10,858 --> 00:27:13,161 So I signed myself up, got a fairly high dose 632 00:27:13,162 --> 00:27:15,164 and responded amazingly. 633 00:27:15,165 --> 00:27:19,072 I gained 30 Ibs in six weeks 634 00:27:19,073 --> 00:27:20,975 and I gained 300 "T" cells. 635 00:27:20,976 --> 00:27:23,046 JOHN ROMANO: So these drugs have cognitive powers- 636 00:27:23,047 --> 00:27:24,582 if you're sick they'll help you; 637 00:27:24,583 --> 00:27:26,519 if you're a healthy athlete they'll kill you? 638 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:30,026 How can you say steroids are a national public health crisis 639 00:27:30,027 --> 00:27:33,399 when you have people dropping dead at a rate you can measure by the minute 640 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,301 as a result of alcohol and tobacco? 641 00:27:35,302 --> 00:27:37,606 CHRIS: According to the C.D.C., 642 00:27:37,607 --> 00:27:41,179 tobacco kills about 435,000 Americans every year, 643 00:27:41,180 --> 00:27:44,852 alcohol kills about 75,000, 644 00:27:44,853 --> 00:27:47,992 and deaths from anabolic steroid abuse- three. 645 00:27:47,993 --> 00:27:51,265 But steroids also show up in some other statistics- 646 00:27:51,266 --> 00:27:53,268 emergency room visits. 647 00:27:53,269 --> 00:27:55,338 But it's not exactly number one on the list- 648 00:27:55,339 --> 00:27:57,776 that would be alcohol; or number two- 649 00:27:57,777 --> 00:27:59,780 that's cocaine; 650 00:27:59,781 --> 00:28:02,151 or number three- that's marijuana. 651 00:28:02,152 --> 00:28:04,489 Gotta be top 10, though, right? 652 00:28:04,490 --> 00:28:06,492 Uh, not quite. 653 00:28:06,493 --> 00:28:08,496 How about top 25? 654 00:28:08,497 --> 00:28:10,867 Top 100? Keep going. 655 00:28:10,868 --> 00:28:12,871 Try number 142. 656 00:28:12,872 --> 00:28:14,874 That's even after multivitamins. 657 00:28:14,875 --> 00:28:17,813 � yabba-dabba-doo yabba-dabba-doo, Flintstones vitamins... � 658 00:28:17,814 --> 00:28:19,816 DR. YESALIS: Education is important, 659 00:28:19,817 --> 00:28:22,354 but what you have to watch out for 660 00:28:22,355 --> 00:28:24,759 is emChrisishing. 661 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,297 If you look at "Reefer Madness," 662 00:28:27,298 --> 00:28:30,836 it caused you to be a stark-raving, murdering lunatic- 663 00:28:30,837 --> 00:28:33,509 Very funny to watch because it goes so over the edge. 664 00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:36,848 The next tragedy may be that of your daughter, 665 00:28:36,849 --> 00:28:40,420 of your son, or yours. 666 00:28:41,958 --> 00:28:44,695 Physicians and sports scientists have done that 667 00:28:44,696 --> 00:28:46,900 with the best of intentions in this area- 668 00:28:46,901 --> 00:28:49,071 "Oh, steroids are going to cause you 669 00:28:49,072 --> 00:28:52,877 to drop over dead in your tracks" and so on. 670 00:28:52,878 --> 00:28:55,449 And the athletes are looking around saying, "Jesus, 671 00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:57,486 haven't seen that many guys die. " 672 00:28:57,487 --> 00:28:59,489 Are steroids killing people? 673 00:28:59,490 --> 00:29:01,493 Steroids clearly are killing people 674 00:29:01,494 --> 00:29:03,497 both in the short term and in the long term. 675 00:29:03,498 --> 00:29:06,836 CHRIS: Dr. Gary Wadler is an advisor to the world anti-doping agency 676 00:29:06,837 --> 00:29:09,741 and the media's go-to guy when it comes to steroids. 677 00:29:09,742 --> 00:29:11,746 We know it's been associated 678 00:29:11,747 --> 00:29:13,749 with stroke in young people 679 00:29:13,750 --> 00:29:17,088 for which there was no other obvious explanation. 680 00:29:17,089 --> 00:29:20,094 We know it's been associated with heart attacks 681 00:29:20,095 --> 00:29:23,133 for which there was no other obvious explanation. 682 00:29:23,134 --> 00:29:24,802 We know it increases clotting. 683 00:29:24,803 --> 00:29:27,708 What bothers me are people like Dr. Gary Wadler 684 00:29:27,709 --> 00:29:30,279 who's a physician and going before Congress 685 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,517 and saying these things, and when confronted- 686 00:29:32,518 --> 00:29:34,521 "Please produce a single article 687 00:29:34,522 --> 00:29:37,726 that shows any of this in any scientific way," can't do it. 688 00:29:37,727 --> 00:29:40,598 CHRIS: Dr. Norm Fost is a professor of medical ethics 689 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,403 with a research focus on performance-enhancing drugs. 690 00:29:43,404 --> 00:29:45,874 So I'm not denying that there aren't 691 00:29:45,875 --> 00:29:48,446 some serious adverse effects from anabolic steroids. 692 00:29:48,447 --> 00:29:51,117 It's just that we haven't been able to demonstrate any of them. 693 00:29:51,118 --> 00:29:52,787 Maybe that's because we don't study them. 694 00:29:52,788 --> 00:29:55,392 One of the problems with the ban on steroids 695 00:29:55,393 --> 00:29:57,729 is that it's impossible to do the kind of research 696 00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:59,165 that would answer these questions. 697 00:29:59,166 --> 00:30:01,870 Some purists would like to see those studies done. 698 00:30:01,871 --> 00:30:04,041 Well, I can assure you they never will be done. 699 00:30:04,042 --> 00:30:06,980 It would be a totally unethical study to do. 700 00:30:06,981 --> 00:30:09,718 So we have to use the information we have at hand. 701 00:30:09,719 --> 00:30:12,089 Depression, convulsions, 702 00:30:12,090 --> 00:30:14,994 anxiety, jaundice, 703 00:30:14,995 --> 00:30:17,633 myocardial infarction- which is heart attack- 704 00:30:17,634 --> 00:30:19,636 eczema, abscess, 705 00:30:19,637 --> 00:30:21,840 vaginal pain, vaginal discharge. 706 00:30:21,841 --> 00:30:25,413 You wanna know what I'm reading this from? What does that say? 707 00:30:25,414 --> 00:30:26,849 - "Vitamin c. " - Thank you. 708 00:30:26,850 --> 00:30:29,755 I mean, look, peanuts are dangerous. You understand? 709 00:30:29,756 --> 00:30:32,627 There are people that take a peanut 710 00:30:32,628 --> 00:30:36,333 and have a peanut and they go into anaphylactic shock. 711 00:30:36,334 --> 00:30:39,172 Okay? The airway closes up. That's it. They die. 712 00:30:39,173 --> 00:30:41,810 Now does that mean that we ban peanuts 713 00:30:41,811 --> 00:30:44,348 and sue God for making them? 714 00:30:44,349 --> 00:30:46,251 - No. - Right. 715 00:30:46,252 --> 00:30:49,324 What we do is we say, "okay, peanut warnings. " 716 00:30:49,325 --> 00:30:51,328 There is no safe drug. 717 00:30:51,329 --> 00:30:53,899 There is no safe drug that ever exists. 718 00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:56,537 There's always the benefit-to-risk ratio. 719 00:30:56,538 --> 00:30:58,541 You name the drug- "X" percent of people 720 00:30:58,542 --> 00:31:00,544 will suffer adverse effects. 721 00:31:00,545 --> 00:31:02,682 CHRIS: Do you feel any side effects ever? 722 00:31:02,683 --> 00:31:04,919 MARK: Yeah, I've had some side effects- 723 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,457 acne, hair growth. 724 00:31:07,458 --> 00:31:09,661 Some side effects that I've had are- 725 00:31:09,662 --> 00:31:11,799 What do you mean by hair growth? On your head? 726 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,869 No, just on my chest and my back and stuff. 727 00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:15,739 I never break out. My back doesn't break out. 728 00:31:15,740 --> 00:31:17,743 I don't get hairy from it. 729 00:31:17,744 --> 00:31:19,713 You get a little testicular atrophy, 730 00:31:19,714 --> 00:31:21,683 but then they come back. It's normal. 731 00:31:21,684 --> 00:31:23,519 - Your balls shrank? - The balls shank. 732 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,156 - Who needs 'em? - Who needs 'em? 733 00:31:25,157 --> 00:31:27,294 What about testosterone? I have some friends who say 734 00:31:27,295 --> 00:31:29,965 it is like a wonder drug. It makes them feel great. 735 00:31:29,966 --> 00:31:32,803 It makes them feel, you know, frisky 736 00:31:32,804 --> 00:31:35,542 and young and it's great for their skin. 737 00:31:35,543 --> 00:31:38,014 The negative side effects would be my lovely singing voice, 738 00:31:38,015 --> 00:31:40,183 hair like a monkey from my head to my toes, 739 00:31:40,184 --> 00:31:43,390 I mean, hair growing out places you don't even want to talk about. 740 00:31:43,391 --> 00:31:45,460 ( low voice ) I mean, I want to stay feminine. 741 00:31:45,461 --> 00:31:47,463 And I think that's why I get so much work. 742 00:31:47,464 --> 00:31:49,467 It's because I still look like a woman 743 00:31:49,468 --> 00:31:51,338 and I still have hard muscles. 744 00:31:51,339 --> 00:31:53,107 DR. COLKER: In my experience, 745 00:31:53,108 --> 00:31:55,545 steroids are just gonna make you more of whatever you are. 746 00:31:55,546 --> 00:31:58,685 If you're a jerk and you take steroids 747 00:31:58,686 --> 00:32:01,790 - You're a super jerk, right? - An asshole. 748 00:32:01,791 --> 00:32:04,061 You've seen that, right? You go beyond. You're an asshole. 749 00:32:04,062 --> 00:32:05,798 ANDEE: I've never seen Roid Rage. 750 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:08,636 I've never seen any difference in his personality 751 00:32:08,637 --> 00:32:11,307 or how he is with me, how he is with Jake. 752 00:32:11,308 --> 00:32:13,311 It hasn't done anything 753 00:32:13,312 --> 00:32:16,350 that all those after-school specials tell you that it's gonna do. 754 00:32:16,351 --> 00:32:18,187 Bryce, I gotta get bigger, man. 755 00:32:18,188 --> 00:32:20,858 - Here, this might help. - Steroids? 756 00:32:20,859 --> 00:32:23,062 WOMAN: What is going on with you? 757 00:32:23,063 --> 00:32:25,232 God damn it! 758 00:32:31,479 --> 00:32:35,118 ( sobbing ) 759 00:32:35,119 --> 00:32:37,322 CHRIS: While I was visiting my brother and his family 760 00:32:37,323 --> 00:32:39,993 they told me they were thinking of having another child 761 00:32:39,994 --> 00:32:43,667 but that another possible side effect of steroids was on their minds. 762 00:32:43,668 --> 00:32:45,036 If you couldn't have another kid 763 00:32:45,037 --> 00:32:46,839 would it be something that you'd regret 764 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,342 because you did steroids? 765 00:32:48,343 --> 00:32:51,281 Yeah. If it was simply from that, yeah. 766 00:32:51,282 --> 00:32:53,919 I'd probably regret it. But there's a lot of things 767 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,424 people regret in their lives, so I'm not, you know- 768 00:32:56,425 --> 00:32:59,863 it's a decision I made and it's a decision I'll have to live with, 769 00:32:59,864 --> 00:33:02,333 whatever the consequences are. 770 00:33:07,278 --> 00:33:10,617 CHRIS: It's been 15 years since Alzado died. 771 00:33:10,618 --> 00:33:13,121 - Why did you lie to me? - I was afraid... 772 00:33:13,122 --> 00:33:15,425 CHRIS: Looking back at Maria Shriver's interview 773 00:33:15,426 --> 00:33:17,428 I can't help but wonder, 774 00:33:17,429 --> 00:33:19,933 why wasn't she asking the real questions like 775 00:33:19,934 --> 00:33:22,438 "is this gonna happen to my husband?" 776 00:33:22,439 --> 00:33:24,475 Did she really believe Lyle 777 00:33:24,476 --> 00:33:26,479 or was this just the beginning 778 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,517 of the steroid myth? 779 00:33:29,518 --> 00:33:32,356 And even though the experts know a lot more about steroids, 780 00:33:32,357 --> 00:33:34,560 you sure wouldn't know it from watching the news. 781 00:33:34,561 --> 00:33:37,065 Tonight, one of the nation's most serious drug problems 782 00:33:37,066 --> 00:33:40,103 and it's only getting worse. It's steroids. 783 00:33:40,104 --> 00:33:42,107 Professional wrestler Chris Benoit 784 00:33:42,108 --> 00:33:44,512 killed his wife, his seven-year-old son, 785 00:33:44,513 --> 00:33:45,947 and then hung himself. 786 00:33:45,948 --> 00:33:48,820 Why did he do it? Steroids found in the house. 787 00:33:48,821 --> 00:33:51,123 Steroids cause suicidal tendencies. 788 00:33:51,124 --> 00:33:52,827 MAN: They hallucinate. They hear voices. 789 00:33:52,828 --> 00:33:54,697 MAN #2: Depression, paranoia. 790 00:33:54,698 --> 00:33:56,701 Steroids could be the actual cause... 791 00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,036 Speculation is running wild. 792 00:33:58,037 --> 00:33:59,640 Do you think these drugs could affect one's mind? 793 00:33:59,641 --> 00:34:00,842 Now we know. 794 00:34:00,843 --> 00:34:02,845 - Testosterone... - Steroids... 795 00:34:02,846 --> 00:34:06,518 ( overlapping voices ) 796 00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:08,155 CHRIS: Let's cut through the crap. 797 00:34:08,156 --> 00:34:10,827 This is steroids 101. 798 00:34:10,828 --> 00:34:12,897 First of all, the term "steroids" 799 00:34:12,898 --> 00:34:16,336 Is often misused to describe any performance-enhancing drug 800 00:34:16,337 --> 00:34:18,607 When in fact many of these drugs 801 00:34:18,608 --> 00:34:20,578 are not actually steroids at all. 802 00:34:20,579 --> 00:34:22,882 So what are steroids? 803 00:34:22,883 --> 00:34:24,886 Well, steroids are synthetic versions 804 00:34:24,887 --> 00:34:27,591 of hormones that your body produces naturally, 805 00:34:27,592 --> 00:34:29,595 like cortisone- that's a steroid. 806 00:34:29,596 --> 00:34:32,166 It signals the body to break down inflammation. 807 00:34:32,167 --> 00:34:34,169 Birth control pills are steroids too 808 00:34:34,170 --> 00:34:36,006 Made from the female sex hormones 809 00:34:36,007 --> 00:34:37,842 estrogen and progesterone. 810 00:34:37,843 --> 00:34:40,381 But the steroids that get all the negative attention 811 00:34:40,382 --> 00:34:42,051 are anabolic steroids, 812 00:34:42,052 --> 00:34:44,455 Made from the male sex hormone testosterone 813 00:34:44,456 --> 00:34:47,193 which tells the body to increase muscle size and strength 814 00:34:47,194 --> 00:34:49,264 and helps to recover from workouts faster. 815 00:34:49,265 --> 00:34:52,437 Like any drug, anabolic steroids do have side effects. 816 00:34:52,438 --> 00:34:55,442 And if you abuse them the side effects will be worse. 817 00:34:55,443 --> 00:34:57,579 For men, they can cause acne, 818 00:34:57,580 --> 00:34:59,616 hair growth, raised cholesterol, 819 00:34:59,617 --> 00:35:02,254 shrink your testicles and lower your sperm count, 820 00:35:02,255 --> 00:35:04,224 which could even make you sterile. 821 00:35:04,225 --> 00:35:05,894 But all of these side effects 822 00:35:05,895 --> 00:35:07,897 are reversible when you go off the drugs. 823 00:35:07,898 --> 00:35:10,168 Otherwise, steroids don't cause baldness, 824 00:35:10,169 --> 00:35:11,905 but if it runs in your family 825 00:35:11,906 --> 00:35:13,641 they might make you go bald faster. 826 00:35:13,642 --> 00:35:15,846 And they can also cause gynecomastia, 827 00:35:15,847 --> 00:35:17,983 or what the gym rats call "bitch tits. " 828 00:35:17,984 --> 00:35:20,721 For women, in addition to acne and hair growth, 829 00:35:20,722 --> 00:35:23,660 steroids can cause a deepened voice, menstrual problems 830 00:35:23,661 --> 00:35:25,663 and can enlarge the clitoris. 831 00:35:25,664 --> 00:35:27,667 And some of these are not reversible. 832 00:35:27,668 --> 00:35:29,671 And for kids, some experts think 833 00:35:29,672 --> 00:35:32,676 steroids can stunt growth by closing growth plates prematurely. 834 00:35:32,677 --> 00:35:34,747 But that's actually never been proven. 835 00:35:34,748 --> 00:35:38,387 There's also no proof that steroids cause cancer, kidney failure, 836 00:35:38,388 --> 00:35:40,358 and only oral steroids in high dosages 837 00:35:40,359 --> 00:35:42,394 can cause liver problems. 838 00:35:42,395 --> 00:35:45,167 And it's true that steroids can be one of 1000 risk factors 839 00:35:45,168 --> 00:35:47,938 that could lead to heart disease, but then again 840 00:35:47,939 --> 00:35:50,709 low testosterone is another big risk factor. 841 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:53,582 And Roid Rage? Steroids can increase aggression, 842 00:35:53,583 --> 00:35:56,720 but that only happens in about 5% of the population. 843 00:35:56,721 --> 00:35:59,960 And even then, they can't make you psychotic. 844 00:35:59,961 --> 00:36:02,398 And as for the long-term side effects, 845 00:36:02,399 --> 00:36:05,403 we don't know. No one's ever done those studies. 846 00:36:05,404 --> 00:36:08,676 At what point do we say that a behavior is such 847 00:36:08,677 --> 00:36:11,949 that people just shouldn't be allowed to engage in it? 848 00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:14,386 I mean, we do allow people 849 00:36:14,387 --> 00:36:17,225 to do lots of things that can hurt themselves. 850 00:36:17,226 --> 00:36:20,397 REPORTER: America's new junkies- plastic surgery addicts. 851 00:36:20,398 --> 00:36:22,401 I've had my eyes done, 852 00:36:22,402 --> 00:36:25,373 rhinoplasty, chin cleft, 853 00:36:25,374 --> 00:36:28,713 pectoral implants, bicep implants, 854 00:36:28,714 --> 00:36:31,151 buttock augmentation. 855 00:36:31,152 --> 00:36:33,522 And those are the ones I can remember right offhand. 856 00:36:33,523 --> 00:36:36,126 TV NARRATOR: Common sense tells you this is dangerous and foolish. 857 00:36:36,127 --> 00:36:38,964 You wouldn't risk your neck in a trick like this. 858 00:36:38,965 --> 00:36:41,502 Common sense tells us that being shot out of a cannon 859 00:36:41,503 --> 00:36:43,941 Is dangerous business. Handling dynamite- 860 00:36:43,942 --> 00:36:45,510 This too looks dangerous. 861 00:36:45,511 --> 00:36:48,148 RICK COLLINS: Whether it's bungee jumping 862 00:36:48,149 --> 00:36:50,986 or skydiving 863 00:36:50,987 --> 00:36:52,990 or black-diamond skiing- 864 00:36:52,991 --> 00:36:55,829 All of them are fun to do 865 00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:59,202 But would subject one to tremendous risks 866 00:36:59,203 --> 00:37:01,172 with no real necessity. 867 00:37:01,173 --> 00:37:05,112 And so if we allow all of those other risks, 868 00:37:05,113 --> 00:37:07,650 why is it that we're taking this position 869 00:37:07,651 --> 00:37:09,654 with respect to anabolic steroids? 870 00:37:09,655 --> 00:37:13,461 - ( gunshot ) - COMMENTATOR: And it's a fair start. 871 00:37:13,462 --> 00:37:16,099 CHRIS: 1988, Seoul, Korea. 872 00:37:16,100 --> 00:37:18,504 A Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson 873 00:37:18,505 --> 00:37:20,508 defeated his archrival Carl Lewis 874 00:37:20,509 --> 00:37:22,244 in the 100-meter sprint 875 00:37:22,245 --> 00:37:24,314 to become the fastest man in history. 876 00:37:24,315 --> 00:37:26,185 MAN: It sure got our spirit up. 877 00:37:26,186 --> 00:37:28,255 Just great. Hey, Benny! 878 00:37:28,256 --> 00:37:30,425 CHRIS: But 24 hours later 879 00:37:30,426 --> 00:37:32,463 he tested positive for steroids 880 00:37:32,464 --> 00:37:35,836 and they gave the gold medal to our guy, Carl Lewis. 881 00:37:35,837 --> 00:37:38,607 COLLINS: There was an international uproar 882 00:37:38,608 --> 00:37:41,847 over the idea that this Canadian sprinter 883 00:37:41,848 --> 00:37:44,919 had gotten an advantage based on his use 884 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,125 of anabolic steroids for its performance effect. 885 00:37:48,126 --> 00:37:50,796 And Congress responded by holding some hearings. 886 00:37:50,797 --> 00:37:53,100 Ben Johnson would not have been in the finals. 887 00:37:53,101 --> 00:37:55,572 He probably would not have been on the Olympic team 888 00:37:55,573 --> 00:37:57,475 had he not taken steroids. 889 00:37:57,476 --> 00:38:00,247 CHRIS: Congress wanted to pass a law that would control steroids 890 00:38:00,248 --> 00:38:02,351 the same way as drugs like cocaine and heroin 891 00:38:02,352 --> 00:38:04,722 and they called experts from the D.E.A., 892 00:38:04,723 --> 00:38:07,962 the F.D.A. and the American Medical Association. 893 00:38:07,963 --> 00:38:10,766 But they all testified that steroids should not be treated 894 00:38:10,767 --> 00:38:14,006 like illicit drugs. So Congress disregarded their experts 895 00:38:14,007 --> 00:38:18,013 and in 1990 they passed the Anabolic Steroid Control Act, 896 00:38:18,014 --> 00:38:21,386 turning non-medical users into federal drug criminals. 897 00:38:21,387 --> 00:38:24,558 COLLINS: This wasn't so much about health effects. 898 00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:28,566 It was really on what these things do that's good 899 00:38:28,567 --> 00:38:31,070 in the sense that they build muscle, 900 00:38:31,071 --> 00:38:34,009 they improve the way that people can perform. 901 00:38:34,010 --> 00:38:36,680 And that in a sports context 902 00:38:36,681 --> 00:38:38,751 was seen as the ultimate evil. 903 00:38:38,752 --> 00:38:41,489 If we took a pie chart of steroid use 904 00:38:41,490 --> 00:38:44,795 and we looked at what percentage of that pie 905 00:38:44,796 --> 00:38:47,333 is comprised of athletes 906 00:38:47,334 --> 00:38:50,239 it would be a very very small slice of that pie. 907 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,010 The overwhelming majority of the pie 908 00:38:53,011 --> 00:38:56,517 is comprised of the recreational gym rat 909 00:38:56,518 --> 00:38:59,088 who's doing it purely for cosmetic reasons. 910 00:38:59,089 --> 00:39:01,693 The irony is that we've addressed 911 00:39:01,694 --> 00:39:03,697 a sports cheating issue 912 00:39:03,698 --> 00:39:05,801 by creating a law 913 00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:08,372 that affects all the folks who aren't cheating in sports. 914 00:39:08,373 --> 00:39:10,910 REPORTER: One look at Gregory Valentino's arms 915 00:39:10,911 --> 00:39:12,914 and you know something's going on. 916 00:39:12,915 --> 00:39:15,418 The 40-year-old is charged with criminal possession 917 00:39:15,419 --> 00:39:17,889 of anabolic steroids with intent to sell. 918 00:39:17,890 --> 00:39:19,994 CHRIS: Some people may call Gregg Valentino 919 00:39:19,995 --> 00:39:22,130 a freak and a felon. I call him a neighbor. 920 00:39:22,131 --> 00:39:24,401 He lives down the block from my grandma. 921 00:39:24,402 --> 00:39:26,839 He also happens to have the biggest biceps in the world. 922 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,509 Holy crap. 923 00:39:28,510 --> 00:39:30,112 Do you have difficulty with just sort of 924 00:39:30,113 --> 00:39:32,483 the regular things in life, like making a sandwich? 925 00:39:32,484 --> 00:39:35,121 No. No no. 926 00:39:35,122 --> 00:39:36,758 I can hit a 90-mile-an-hour fastball. 927 00:39:36,759 --> 00:39:38,427 Any body wants to challenge me- let's do it. 928 00:39:38,428 --> 00:39:39,796 I'll show you. Watch this. 929 00:39:39,797 --> 00:39:42,434 Oh! Oh! Oh! 930 00:39:42,435 --> 00:39:44,438 ( laughs ) Come on, Gregg. 931 00:39:44,439 --> 00:39:46,107 Oof! 932 00:39:46,108 --> 00:39:49,113 I told you I'm no Barry Bonds. 933 00:39:49,114 --> 00:39:52,386 I'm a red-meat man. I eat a lot of red meat. 934 00:39:52,387 --> 00:39:54,556 Why do you think people in America are so uptight 935 00:39:54,557 --> 00:39:56,961 About steroids and steroid users? 936 00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:59,800 Because they fear- 937 00:39:59,801 --> 00:40:03,173 they fear what they don't know. 938 00:40:03,174 --> 00:40:05,944 You know? 939 00:40:05,945 --> 00:40:08,549 That's ugly. Who the hell would want to look like that? 940 00:40:08,550 --> 00:40:10,051 I don't want to look like that. 941 00:40:10,052 --> 00:40:11,955 Why did you want to look like that then? 942 00:40:11,956 --> 00:40:14,326 Um, I mean, I like being big. 943 00:40:14,327 --> 00:40:16,229 I had small-man complex, you know. 944 00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:18,133 I'd be like, "I don't want to be little. " 945 00:40:18,134 --> 00:40:21,005 I wanted to be taller. I couldn't grow taller, so I grew wider. 946 00:40:21,006 --> 00:40:23,677 Personally I think in the picture that you showed me- 947 00:40:23,678 --> 00:40:25,881 - Oh, I look better. - Your arms look a lot better there 948 00:40:25,882 --> 00:40:28,355 than they look now, right? Wouldn't you agree? 949 00:40:28,356 --> 00:40:29,821 Without a doubt. 950 00:40:29,856 --> 00:40:32,192 I would rather look like that. Do you think girls 951 00:40:32,193 --> 00:40:34,162 look at me and go, "oh My God, that's hot"? 952 00:40:34,163 --> 00:40:36,400 They like... ( gags ) "that's -ing gross. " 953 00:40:36,401 --> 00:40:39,606 I walk into a club and the hottest girl could be there with her boyfriend 954 00:40:39,607 --> 00:40:41,777 and her boyfriend will see me 955 00:40:41,778 --> 00:40:43,813 and mush her in the face to get over to me 956 00:40:43,814 --> 00:40:46,117 just to say to me, like, "dude, what the -?" 957 00:40:46,118 --> 00:40:48,388 You're getting attention from the guys, not from the girl. 958 00:40:48,389 --> 00:40:50,993 I don't give a shit. It's attention. I can't explain it to you. 959 00:40:50,994 --> 00:40:53,464 It's like a mindset. Does that make sense or no? 960 00:40:53,465 --> 00:40:55,468 But I tell you what- when I'm done 961 00:40:55,469 --> 00:40:58,106 my biceps are humongous, humongous. 962 00:40:58,107 --> 00:40:59,643 Like that- bam! 963 00:40:59,644 --> 00:41:01,646 For myself, I'm kind of on the fence. 964 00:41:01,647 --> 00:41:03,650 I have two brothers. They're both taking steroids 965 00:41:03,651 --> 00:41:05,186 right as we speak right now. 966 00:41:05,187 --> 00:41:07,190 I don't know if I want people 967 00:41:07,191 --> 00:41:09,194 to think I'm not cheating 968 00:41:09,195 --> 00:41:11,130 or to look at me and say, 969 00:41:11,131 --> 00:41:14,203 "Wow, you know, you really have a great build. " 970 00:41:14,204 --> 00:41:17,241 But do you think I should take steroids to get there? 971 00:41:17,242 --> 00:41:20,614 I think steroids are as American as apple pie. 972 00:41:20,615 --> 00:41:22,351 We live in a society today that- 973 00:41:22,352 --> 00:41:24,856 You got M.T.V. And reality shows, 974 00:41:24,857 --> 00:41:27,293 Madonna's making out with Britney Spears, 975 00:41:27,294 --> 00:41:30,165 Rap music and all that shit, and you're worried about steroids? 976 00:41:30,166 --> 00:41:32,636 Kids are like, "- you, cop. - you, man," 977 00:41:32,637 --> 00:41:35,842 Playing video games like grand theft auto where you're killing cops. 978 00:41:35,843 --> 00:41:39,449 That's worse influence in my opinion than steroids will ever be, 979 00:41:39,450 --> 00:41:41,452 than Barry Bonds hitting home runs. 980 00:41:41,453 --> 00:41:44,391 There's a big difference between a kid taking steroids 981 00:41:44,392 --> 00:41:46,896 who's only had hair on his dick a couple of years, 982 00:41:46,897 --> 00:41:49,968 as opposed to a grown man who's looking to perform better 983 00:41:49,969 --> 00:41:52,238 At a better level in sports. 984 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,242 And where is Schwarzenegger in all this? 985 00:41:54,243 --> 00:41:56,246 I mean, he is the poster boy for steroids. 986 00:41:56,247 --> 00:41:58,851 He's the poster boy for "hey, look, look at me, look what I did. 987 00:41:58,852 --> 00:42:00,888 I came, I conquered, I kicked ass. " 988 00:42:00,889 --> 00:42:04,428 That autobiography says he was doing it when he was 15-16. 989 00:42:04,429 --> 00:42:08,769 Hey, he won Mr. Universe at 19 years old- 19. 990 00:42:08,770 --> 00:42:11,073 Did you ever see what he looked like when he was 19? 991 00:42:11,074 --> 00:42:13,311 Do you think it was god-given genetics or do you think 992 00:42:13,312 --> 00:42:15,215 that maybe he took the performance enhancers? 993 00:42:15,216 --> 00:42:17,218 A lot of people idolize these guys, 994 00:42:17,219 --> 00:42:20,357 whether it's a rock star, a bodybuilder, a movie star, whoever, 995 00:42:20,358 --> 00:42:22,928 and all of a sudden you get to meet them 996 00:42:22,929 --> 00:42:24,732 and, man, is it a let-down. 997 00:42:24,733 --> 00:42:28,706 Because they're never ever what they appear to be. 998 00:42:28,707 --> 00:42:30,710 The guy you see in public like this 999 00:42:30,711 --> 00:42:34,048 has got the middle finger under the table going like this. 1000 00:42:34,049 --> 00:42:36,420 It's never "what you see is what you get. " 1001 00:42:36,421 --> 00:42:38,657 It's "what you see is what they want you to see. " 1002 00:42:38,658 --> 00:42:40,995 Everybody idolized Schwarzenegger growing up. 1003 00:42:40,996 --> 00:42:43,499 Everybody thought, "man, I wanna lift weights 1004 00:42:43,500 --> 00:42:45,503 and life a pure life like Arnold. 1005 00:42:45,504 --> 00:42:48,442 And I'm gonna eat all my vegetables and take my protein shakes. 1006 00:42:48,443 --> 00:42:51,448 Maybe I'll move out to California, train at Gold's Gym. 1007 00:42:51,449 --> 00:42:53,685 And I'm gonna get really big. I'm gonna win contests. 1008 00:42:53,686 --> 00:42:55,421 I'm gonna be a movie star too. " 1009 00:42:55,422 --> 00:42:57,058 ANNOUNCER: Please welcome a man 1010 00:42:57,059 --> 00:43:00,530 whose story embodies the American dream. 1011 00:43:00,531 --> 00:43:02,534 One thing I learned about America is 1012 00:43:02,535 --> 00:43:05,640 that if you work hard and if you play by the rules 1013 00:43:05,641 --> 00:43:08,011 this country is truly open to you. 1014 00:43:08,012 --> 00:43:10,583 You can achieve anything. 1015 00:43:10,584 --> 00:43:13,421 Dude, that is- 1016 00:43:13,422 --> 00:43:16,025 That is a pipe dream. 1017 00:43:16,026 --> 00:43:18,029 That is a pipe dream, okay? 1018 00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:20,033 To get where Arnold got in life 1019 00:43:20,034 --> 00:43:22,438 you have to be willing to step on a few fingers 1020 00:43:22,439 --> 00:43:25,143 and step on a few friends and fuck a few people over. 1021 00:43:25,144 --> 00:43:26,912 You don't get to that level without that. 1022 00:43:26,913 --> 00:43:28,749 In this world you're either the barracuda 1023 00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:31,254 or you're that little minnow swimming around like this. 1024 00:43:31,255 --> 00:43:32,823 And Arnold's the barracuda. 1025 00:43:32,824 --> 00:43:34,927 And we'll all exercise a little bit together 1026 00:43:34,928 --> 00:43:38,100 with the dumbbells. Come on now, let's do some presses here. 1027 00:43:38,101 --> 00:43:40,337 CHRIS: In the same year that George Bush Sr. signed 1028 00:43:40,338 --> 00:43:43,242 the Steroid Control Act he also made Arnold Schwarzenegger 1029 00:43:43,243 --> 00:43:46,114 the chairman of the President's Council on Physical Fitness. 1030 00:43:46,115 --> 00:43:47,984 So I'm confused. 1031 00:43:47,985 --> 00:43:50,522 Was the President saying that a former steroid user 1032 00:43:50,523 --> 00:43:52,225 could still be a role model for kids? 1033 00:43:52,226 --> 00:43:53,562 - Are you gonna exercise? - Yeah! 1034 00:43:53,563 --> 00:43:55,131 We're gonna pump up muscle! 1035 00:43:55,132 --> 00:43:57,535 TV NARRATOR: Enter Steve Rogers, 1036 00:43:57,536 --> 00:43:59,639 Too puny to be accepted by the army, 1037 00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,611 but willing to risk death for his country. 1038 00:44:02,612 --> 00:44:04,882 He's changing right before our eyes! 1039 00:44:04,883 --> 00:44:06,886 TV NARRATOR: Suddenly it is over 1040 00:44:06,887 --> 00:44:08,889 and America has a new champion. 1041 00:44:08,890 --> 00:44:11,995 CHRIS: Why do you think in America superheroes are so important? 1042 00:44:11,996 --> 00:44:13,999 STAN LEE: People need heroes, 1043 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,704 Whether in real life or in fiction, 1044 00:44:16,705 --> 00:44:19,242 because they need somebody to inspire them, 1045 00:44:19,243 --> 00:44:21,212 something to aim for, 1046 00:44:21,213 --> 00:44:23,517 somebody to try to be like. 1047 00:44:23,518 --> 00:44:26,755 I think any boy would want 1048 00:44:26,756 --> 00:44:29,126 to be built like Arnold Schwarzenegger. 1049 00:44:29,127 --> 00:44:32,399 Did you ever want to be big a muscular like that? 1050 00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,770 I wanted to be a little- when I'd go to the beach 1051 00:44:34,771 --> 00:44:37,675 I used to wish that my arms were a little stronger. 1052 00:44:37,676 --> 00:44:40,381 I looked more like the 98-Ib weakling. 1053 00:44:40,382 --> 00:44:42,785 Did that ever inspire you, that Charles Atlas comic strip? 1054 00:44:42,786 --> 00:44:45,723 - Did that inspire some of your characters? - It inspired everybody. 1055 00:44:45,724 --> 00:44:47,994 CHARLES ATLAS: Let me teach you how to become strong. 1056 00:44:47,995 --> 00:44:52,268 ( fanfare ) 1057 00:44:55,309 --> 00:44:57,912 When you're young you get impressions 1058 00:44:57,913 --> 00:45:00,718 That pretty much last you all your life. 1059 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,122 If you step up and show up 1060 00:45:03,123 --> 00:45:05,226 and play hard, you're gonna play. 1061 00:45:05,227 --> 00:45:06,929 All right, get a break. 1062 00:45:06,930 --> 00:45:08,932 - ( boys cheer ) - Rock 'n' roll, fellas! 1063 00:45:08,933 --> 00:45:10,669 CHRIS: Smelly's now a coach 1064 00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:12,673 for the local high-school football team. 1065 00:45:12,674 --> 00:45:15,445 Kind of like Arnold, he just wants to give back to the kids. 1066 00:45:15,446 --> 00:45:17,782 MARK: Going to school was pretty painful for me. 1067 00:45:17,783 --> 00:45:20,554 Oftentimes I can find the kid who is like me 1068 00:45:20,555 --> 00:45:22,558 and maybe doesn't have the best confidence 1069 00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:24,194 and show him how to lift weights 1070 00:45:24,195 --> 00:45:25,796 and build him up physically and mentally. 1071 00:45:25,797 --> 00:45:28,034 ( cheering ) 1072 00:45:28,035 --> 00:45:30,205 BOY: He's the kind of guy 1073 00:45:30,206 --> 00:45:32,943 who would get in your life and slowly turn it around. 1074 00:45:32,944 --> 00:45:35,281 He keeps me going. He keeps me motivated about something. 1075 00:45:35,282 --> 00:45:37,251 When he works with those high school kids 1076 00:45:37,252 --> 00:45:40,189 that's his passion. Not a lot of kids 1077 00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:43,094 Have a strong male figure in their life. 1078 00:45:45,034 --> 00:45:47,871 I mean, a lot of people- they're usually very selfish, 1079 00:45:47,872 --> 00:45:50,708 but he's not. I've never really met anyone that's like that. 1080 00:45:54,183 --> 00:45:55,785 CHRIS: There's a gym in Columbus, Ohio, 1081 00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:58,189 Where the strongest guys in the world train. 1082 00:45:58,190 --> 00:46:00,360 It's called West Side Barbell. 1083 00:46:00,361 --> 00:46:03,800 And this is where Smelly learned from his role model, Louie Simmons. 1084 00:46:03,801 --> 00:46:06,071 I've got a philosophy like many- when you go to war 1085 00:46:06,072 --> 00:46:08,976 you go to kill. You don't go to get killed. 1086 00:46:08,977 --> 00:46:10,579 There's nobody in this place 1087 00:46:10,580 --> 00:46:12,549 that's not trying to be the best athlete in the world. 1088 00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:16,690 Everybody here is trying to achieve an elite level of success. 1089 00:46:16,691 --> 00:46:18,761 Pretty much as you're a kid you always want to be the strongest. 1090 00:46:18,762 --> 00:46:20,764 I always wanted to be the strongest guy. 1091 00:46:20,765 --> 00:46:23,202 And I still want to be that, you know. 1092 00:46:23,203 --> 00:46:25,640 ( all cheering ) 1093 00:46:25,641 --> 00:46:28,245 SIMMONS: In 1959 my father showed me a book. 1094 00:46:28,246 --> 00:46:30,415 It was about the Russians taking testosterone. 1095 00:46:30,416 --> 00:46:32,319 So I said, "what the hell? 1096 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,224 First chance I got, I'm gonna do some of this. " and so I did. 1097 00:46:35,225 --> 00:46:38,063 I've actually been on anabolic steroids for 36 years. 1098 00:46:38,064 --> 00:46:40,668 Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt! 1099 00:46:40,669 --> 00:46:42,036 Up up up up up! 1100 00:46:43,941 --> 00:46:46,412 CHRIS: Is it something I should be morally battling 1101 00:46:46,413 --> 00:46:48,081 or should I be fine with doing it? 1102 00:46:48,082 --> 00:46:50,085 Your morals are your morals, not mine. 1103 00:46:50,086 --> 00:46:53,290 Who am I to judge you? And who are you to judge me? 1104 00:46:53,291 --> 00:46:56,029 You want to be strong or you want to be weak? 1105 00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:57,665 But you can't be strong without doing steroids? 1106 00:46:57,666 --> 00:46:59,268 You can't be as strong as possible. 1107 00:46:59,269 --> 00:47:01,974 If you want to reach the top you're gonna have to do it. 1108 00:47:01,975 --> 00:47:04,845 Everybody thinks anabolic steroids is the easy way out. 1109 00:47:04,846 --> 00:47:07,149 The people that train with anabolic steroids 1110 00:47:07,150 --> 00:47:08,987 train way harder than people that don't. 1111 00:47:08,988 --> 00:47:10,956 Regardless of what people think of Barry Bonds, 1112 00:47:10,957 --> 00:47:13,027 you can't take a bottle of testosterone, 1113 00:47:13,028 --> 00:47:14,663 put on Barry's baseball uniform 1114 00:47:14,664 --> 00:47:16,900 and make him hit 700 home runs. 1115 00:47:16,901 --> 00:47:19,806 Barry's got to go out, train and hit the 700 home runs. 1116 00:47:19,807 --> 00:47:21,809 But what if the scientists came up 1117 00:47:21,810 --> 00:47:23,980 with something better than anabolic steroids? 1118 00:47:23,981 --> 00:47:26,818 You see cows, you see immense, powerful cows, 1119 00:47:26,819 --> 00:47:29,557 And they basically have changed their genes. 1120 00:47:29,558 --> 00:47:32,562 If they can change your genes, would that be illegal? 1121 00:47:32,563 --> 00:47:35,267 What would they do then? Just ban sports in general? 1122 00:47:35,268 --> 00:47:37,271 ( chuckles ) Oh My Lord. 1123 00:47:37,272 --> 00:47:40,678 ( laughing ) 1124 00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:44,284 When people see these, is the first question 1125 00:47:44,285 --> 00:47:46,288 "how many hormones do you pump into them?" 1126 00:47:46,289 --> 00:47:48,091 Well, it's two comments. One would be, 1127 00:47:48,092 --> 00:47:50,662 "oh my gosh, what did you do to that thing?" 1128 00:47:50,663 --> 00:47:52,833 And secondly, "it looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger. " 1129 00:47:52,834 --> 00:47:54,837 CHRIS: This is a Belgian Blue Bull- 1130 00:47:54,838 --> 00:47:57,408 ( moos ) 1131 00:47:57,409 --> 00:48:01,482 2600 Ibs, all muscle, all natural. 1132 00:48:01,483 --> 00:48:03,986 So tell me again, you're all natural? 1133 00:48:03,987 --> 00:48:06,457 You're not taking anything? 1134 00:48:08,830 --> 00:48:10,799 I think you're ready for Congress. 1135 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,670 He has a genetic mutation 1136 00:48:12,671 --> 00:48:14,940 that allows him to grow double muscle. 1137 00:48:14,941 --> 00:48:16,710 And scientists have figured out 1138 00:48:16,711 --> 00:48:19,014 how to genetically alter humans the same way. 1139 00:48:19,015 --> 00:48:21,352 Dr. Lee Sweeney is using this technology 1140 00:48:21,353 --> 00:48:23,222 to try to cure muscular dystrophy. 1141 00:48:23,223 --> 00:48:25,693 It's obviously going to become more and more evident 1142 00:48:25,694 --> 00:48:27,697 that what we call talent 1143 00:48:27,698 --> 00:48:30,435 is really genetic variation. 1144 00:48:30,436 --> 00:48:32,906 There's genetic enhancement available that might be able 1145 00:48:32,907 --> 00:48:35,712 to give you what nature didn't give you. 1146 00:48:35,713 --> 00:48:39,218 Trying to figure out how to do it in the safest way 1147 00:48:39,219 --> 00:48:41,255 Is something that hasn't been worked out. 1148 00:48:41,256 --> 00:48:43,259 If you find out that it's safe, 1149 00:48:43,260 --> 00:48:45,496 would you be somebody who would say, "hey-"? 1150 00:48:45,497 --> 00:48:46,832 Yeah, I would be first in line. 1151 00:48:46,833 --> 00:48:48,334 'Cause it seems like this is 1152 00:48:48,335 --> 00:48:51,140 the future of sports- gene doping. 1153 00:48:51,141 --> 00:48:53,177 Gene doping, yeah. I wouldn't do it. 1154 00:48:53,178 --> 00:48:54,546 ( chuckles ) 1155 00:48:54,547 --> 00:48:57,285 Will gene doping ruin sports in America? 1156 00:48:57,286 --> 00:48:59,088 I don't think so. I mean, I think 1157 00:48:59,089 --> 00:49:01,092 any time there's a new technology 1158 00:49:01,093 --> 00:49:03,729 everyone says, "okay, we have to stand back 1159 00:49:03,730 --> 00:49:06,635 and think about what this is really gonna mean to society. " 1160 00:49:06,636 --> 00:49:08,305 And I think that's the debate 1161 00:49:08,306 --> 00:49:10,209 we will come to in the coming decades. 1162 00:49:10,210 --> 00:49:13,180 TV NARRATOR: Good sportsmanship- you know what that means? 1163 00:49:13,181 --> 00:49:15,551 Play fair. 1164 00:49:15,552 --> 00:49:17,856 CHRIS: When I was a kid cheating was pretty clear-cut, 1165 00:49:17,857 --> 00:49:20,427 like when the million dollar man hired the referee's 1166 00:49:20,428 --> 00:49:22,564 evil twin brother to cheat the Hulkster out of his title. 1167 00:49:22,565 --> 00:49:24,869 COMMENTATOR: Is that Dave Hebner or is that Dave Hebner? 1168 00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:27,631 You know, cheating in other sports wasn't all that different. 1169 00:49:27,632 --> 00:49:28,766 Remember when Joe Necro 1170 00:49:28,767 --> 00:49:31,572 was hot-scuffing the ball with an emery board? 1171 00:49:31,573 --> 00:49:33,408 COMMENTATOR: Something came out of his pocket. 1172 00:49:33,409 --> 00:49:35,813 Chris: And what about when the Patriots were playing the Dolphins 1173 00:49:35,814 --> 00:49:38,050 And they hired an ex-con to clear 1174 00:49:38,051 --> 00:49:40,088 a spot in the snow for the field-goal kicker? 1175 00:49:40,089 --> 00:49:42,125 You can't do that. 1176 00:49:42,126 --> 00:49:43,861 I think it's the most unfair thing 1177 00:49:43,862 --> 00:49:45,430 that I've ever been associated in. 1178 00:49:45,431 --> 00:49:48,236 CHRIS: Or like when Rosie Ruiz won the Boston Marathon. 1179 00:49:48,237 --> 00:49:51,408 The mystery woman winner. We missed her at all our checkpoints. 1180 00:49:51,409 --> 00:49:54,414 CHRIS: Why take steroids when you can take a bus? 1181 00:49:54,415 --> 00:49:56,083 And who can forget when Tonya Harding 1182 00:49:56,084 --> 00:49:59,590 hired a goon to take out Nancy Kerrigan's knee? 1183 00:49:59,591 --> 00:50:01,594 Why? Why? ( sobbing ) 1184 00:50:01,595 --> 00:50:03,731 I guess if you can't beat 'em, 1185 00:50:03,732 --> 00:50:05,701 beat 'em with a lead pipe. 1186 00:50:05,702 --> 00:50:08,540 But somehow steroids seem kind of different. 1187 00:50:08,541 --> 00:50:11,111 I thought in undergraduate school and in college 1188 00:50:11,112 --> 00:50:12,747 I was a pretty good athlete. 1189 00:50:12,748 --> 00:50:15,520 But I find myself angry, 1190 00:50:15,521 --> 00:50:18,425 angry in my gut 1191 00:50:18,426 --> 00:50:22,065 because these are the same guys that would have taken me out, 1192 00:50:22,066 --> 00:50:24,469 taken me out not because they had 1193 00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:27,341 more god-given natural talent than me 1194 00:50:27,342 --> 00:50:31,249 but because they enhanced with artificial means. 1195 00:50:31,250 --> 00:50:33,786 CHRIS: If using steroids is cheating, 1196 00:50:33,787 --> 00:50:36,691 seems like a whole bunch of other stuff should be cheating too. 1197 00:50:36,692 --> 00:50:39,831 Take Tiger Woods, for example. He had Lasik eye surgery 1198 00:50:39,832 --> 00:50:43,204 and now his vision is 20/15. That's better than perfect. 1199 00:50:43,205 --> 00:50:45,808 WOODS: My eyes are stable. My game's a lot better. 1200 00:50:45,809 --> 00:50:47,646 I felt pretty good coming in. 1201 00:50:47,647 --> 00:50:49,815 CHRIS: In a game that relies so much on depth perception, 1202 00:50:49,816 --> 00:50:53,455 wouldn't superhuman vision be a performance enhancement? 1203 00:50:53,456 --> 00:50:55,226 Then there's cortisone shots. 1204 00:50:55,227 --> 00:50:57,497 They helped Curt Schilling win the World Series. 1205 00:50:57,498 --> 00:50:59,533 And those are steroids too. 1206 00:50:59,534 --> 00:51:03,574 Truth is, corticosteroids can have worse side effects than anabolic steroids, 1207 00:51:03,575 --> 00:51:05,912 but they're used in sports every day. 1208 00:51:05,913 --> 00:51:07,815 He had a 20-minute cortisone shot 1209 00:51:07,816 --> 00:51:10,421 after Monday's match after his back tightened up. 1210 00:51:10,422 --> 00:51:12,357 CHRIS: Here's an even more confusing example- 1211 00:51:12,358 --> 00:51:14,027 Floyd Landis claims 1212 00:51:14,028 --> 00:51:16,197 that he did not take steroids to win the Tour De France. 1213 00:51:16,198 --> 00:51:18,435 LANDIS: Truth is, I didn't use testosterone 1214 00:51:18,436 --> 00:51:20,272 like I'm accused of doing. I didn't cheat. 1215 00:51:20,273 --> 00:51:22,476 I didn't do anything outside of the rules. 1216 00:51:22,477 --> 00:51:25,849 I won the Tour clean and I deserved to win. 1217 00:51:25,850 --> 00:51:27,418 I'm proud of it and I always will be. 1218 00:51:27,419 --> 00:51:30,523 CHRIS: But he did sleep in his own altitude chamber. 1219 00:51:30,524 --> 00:51:32,527 I got my altitude chamber 1220 00:51:32,528 --> 00:51:34,632 out by the garage these days. 1221 00:51:34,633 --> 00:51:37,003 So you made this? 1222 00:51:37,004 --> 00:51:38,906 Yeah, it's not actually that hard to make. 1223 00:51:38,907 --> 00:51:41,478 I didn't make the pipe. I got the pipe from some construction site. 1224 00:51:41,479 --> 00:51:43,014 They were putting in a water main. 1225 00:51:43,015 --> 00:51:44,650 Is the result pretty good? 1226 00:51:44,651 --> 00:51:45,985 For me it makes a difference, yeah. 1227 00:51:45,986 --> 00:51:48,023 And how long do you stay in here for? 1228 00:51:48,024 --> 00:51:50,828 Just sleep in there all night. I don't know, six or seven hours. 1229 00:51:50,829 --> 00:51:52,831 Is your wife like, "what are you doing?" 1230 00:51:52,832 --> 00:51:54,835 "I'm gonna sleep in the chamber. " 1231 00:51:54,836 --> 00:51:56,305 ( laughs ) She hates it. 1232 00:51:56,306 --> 00:51:57,974 So you just climb in there? 1233 00:51:57,975 --> 00:51:59,511 Yeah, you want to try it out? 1234 00:51:59,512 --> 00:52:01,748 You won't have a monitor in there, but I have it set 1235 00:52:01,749 --> 00:52:03,551 to, like, about 13,000'. 1236 00:52:04,387 --> 00:52:06,056 ( air hissing ) 1237 00:52:06,057 --> 00:52:08,360 CHRIS: See, sleeping in an altitude chamber 1238 00:52:08,361 --> 00:52:10,364 produces a lot more red blood cells, 1239 00:52:10,365 --> 00:52:12,368 which means more oxygen in your system, 1240 00:52:12,369 --> 00:52:15,807 which means more endurance for a cyclist or a long-distance runner. 1241 00:52:15,808 --> 00:52:18,679 There are four ways to increase your red blood cell count. 1242 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,019 You can sleep in an altitude chamber like Floyd 1243 00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:24,757 or you can just train at the U.S. Olympic training center 1244 00:52:24,758 --> 00:52:26,794 at 6,000' in Colorado. 1245 00:52:26,795 --> 00:52:28,664 Then there's blood doping. 1246 00:52:28,665 --> 00:52:31,202 That's when you draw your own blood a month before the big race, 1247 00:52:31,203 --> 00:52:33,339 then re-inject it the night before. 1248 00:52:33,340 --> 00:52:35,744 Finally, there's a drug called E.P.O. 1249 00:52:35,745 --> 00:52:37,614 which simply tells your body 1250 00:52:37,615 --> 00:52:39,484 to produce more red blood cells. 1251 00:52:39,485 --> 00:52:41,821 So that's four ways to do the exact same thing, 1252 00:52:41,822 --> 00:52:45,495 but two are allowed and two are cheating. 1253 00:52:45,496 --> 00:52:48,266 You done yet? 1254 00:52:49,303 --> 00:52:51,272 ( laughs ) 1255 00:52:51,273 --> 00:52:54,245 Hey. That's kind of weird. 1256 00:52:54,246 --> 00:52:56,816 No, it's nice, man. Once you get used to it it's nice sleeping in there. 1257 00:52:56,817 --> 00:52:58,920 SCOTT REID: What's heartbreaking is my eight-year-old- 1258 00:52:58,921 --> 00:53:00,856 his two favorite athletes are Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong. 1259 00:53:00,857 --> 00:53:03,227 My four-year-old is obsessed with Floyd Landis. 1260 00:53:03,228 --> 00:53:05,365 So what do you tell these kids? I talk to people all the time 1261 00:53:05,366 --> 00:53:07,335 That they go, "who can my kids believe in?" 1262 00:53:07,336 --> 00:53:09,505 And I want to tell them is "nobody. " 1263 00:53:09,506 --> 00:53:11,743 I ask not to be judged and much less 1264 00:53:11,744 --> 00:53:13,680 to be sentenced by anyone. 1265 00:53:13,681 --> 00:53:16,853 You can't trust anybody now because the testing is so ineffective. 1266 00:53:16,854 --> 00:53:19,257 You don't know who's really clean, who's really dirty. 1267 00:53:19,258 --> 00:53:22,196 CHRIS: Were you taking any sort of drugs for that race? 1268 00:53:22,197 --> 00:53:24,200 Not what they fined me with, no. 1269 00:53:24,201 --> 00:53:26,270 - But you were taking other stuff. - Other stuff, yeah. 1270 00:53:26,271 --> 00:53:27,940 But isn't that still cheating? 1271 00:53:27,941 --> 00:53:30,644 Still cheating, yeah, like everybody else. 1272 00:53:30,645 --> 00:53:32,315 So that's how you justify it- 1273 00:53:32,316 --> 00:53:33,917 - Everybody's cheating? - Yes. 1274 00:53:33,918 --> 00:53:35,821 When I interviewed Ben Johnson he basically said, 1275 00:53:35,822 --> 00:53:37,524 "look, everybody was on something. " 1276 00:53:37,525 --> 00:53:41,966 Well, you know, Ben- and bless his heart, 1277 00:53:41,967 --> 00:53:44,035 he's got to say everyone was on something. 1278 00:53:44,036 --> 00:53:47,041 That's justifying his own means. 1279 00:53:47,042 --> 00:53:48,644 So he has a problem with you beating- 1280 00:53:48,645 --> 00:53:50,314 he has a problem- he has a problem 1281 00:53:50,315 --> 00:53:52,752 - of, you know, me beating him. - Yeah. 1282 00:53:52,753 --> 00:53:54,755 When we were taking that victory stand, 1283 00:53:54,756 --> 00:53:56,859 we were on the stand and he got the gold medal, 1284 00:53:56,860 --> 00:53:59,164 he didn't smile. He never smiled. 1285 00:53:59,165 --> 00:54:00,901 He never celebrated. And the thing is, 1286 00:54:00,902 --> 00:54:04,139 he couldn't really inside share in the joy of winning. He cheated. 1287 00:54:04,140 --> 00:54:06,143 You cheat. Everybody cheats. 1288 00:54:06,144 --> 00:54:07,813 Nobody in this world is perfect. 1289 00:54:07,814 --> 00:54:09,483 Nobody in this life is perfect- nobody. 1290 00:54:09,484 --> 00:54:13,090 They know that in 1988 six Americans at least 1291 00:54:13,091 --> 00:54:15,094 tested positive in Seoul. And they all shut up 1292 00:54:15,095 --> 00:54:17,531 because the biggest money comes from America. 1293 00:54:17,532 --> 00:54:19,534 So who's gonna get shafted, 1294 00:54:19,535 --> 00:54:21,538 Americans or Ben Johnson? 1295 00:54:21,539 --> 00:54:24,510 DR. WADE EXUM: I think that Ben Johnson was unfairly singled out. 1296 00:54:24,511 --> 00:54:27,382 I think that there's always scapegoats. 1297 00:54:27,383 --> 00:54:30,655 Is there a lot of drug use going on in Olympics? 1298 00:54:30,656 --> 00:54:33,794 Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. 1299 00:54:33,795 --> 00:54:36,398 CHRIS: Dr. Exum was the Director of Anti-Doping 1300 00:54:36,399 --> 00:54:38,603 at the U.S. Olympic Committee for 10 years. 1301 00:54:38,604 --> 00:54:41,308 He thought his job was to stop drugs in sports, 1302 00:54:41,309 --> 00:54:43,813 but his bosses had other priorities. 1303 00:54:43,814 --> 00:54:46,551 He told me that over 2000 American athletes 1304 00:54:46,552 --> 00:54:49,122 failed their drug tests, including Carl Lewis, 1305 00:54:49,123 --> 00:54:50,959 and they were covered up. 1306 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,029 Nobody believes Carl Lewis ever failed a drug test. 1307 00:54:53,030 --> 00:54:54,866 - Do you have any proof? - Oh, certainly. 1308 00:54:54,867 --> 00:54:58,439 We have just boxes of proof for everything that I say. 1309 00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,443 There it is, book three. 1310 00:55:00,444 --> 00:55:03,649 Here's a letter from then Executive Director 1311 00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:06,388 Baaron Pittenger to Mr. Lewis. 1312 00:55:06,389 --> 00:55:09,426 CHRIS: "I must confirm that the analysis for your specimen 'B' 1313 00:55:09,427 --> 00:55:12,332 was positive for pseudoephedrine, ephedrine, 1314 00:55:12,333 --> 00:55:14,770 And phenylpropanolee- lamine- 1315 00:55:14,771 --> 00:55:16,873 - Is that what is is? - Phenylpropanolamine, yeah. 1316 00:55:16,874 --> 00:55:18,643 IOC banned stimulants. 1317 00:55:18,644 --> 00:55:21,648 By policy of the U.S.O.C., this finding is cause 1318 00:55:21,649 --> 00:55:24,019 for disqualification from the Olympic team 1319 00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:27,125 to the 1988 Summer Olympic Games in Seoul, Korea. " 1320 00:55:27,126 --> 00:55:29,563 Wow. 1321 00:55:29,564 --> 00:55:31,467 This is basically a letter that said 1322 00:55:31,468 --> 00:55:32,903 that you had failed the test 1323 00:55:32,904 --> 00:55:35,708 and that there was a consequence to that failure. 1324 00:55:35,709 --> 00:55:38,881 As we all know, that didn't come about. 1325 00:55:38,882 --> 00:55:41,485 You actually received a letter, or a call- 1326 00:55:41,486 --> 00:55:43,489 - Yes. - -that you had failed the drug test- 1327 00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:45,592 - Right. - -because of some stimulants? 1328 00:55:45,593 --> 00:55:46,896 Yeah, it was like 1329 00:55:46,897 --> 00:55:48,999 a cold medicine type thing, the herbal supplement. 1330 00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,603 They made up this term. It was called "inadvertent use"- 1331 00:55:51,604 --> 00:55:54,843 an athlete took something without meaning to take it 1332 00:55:54,844 --> 00:55:58,316 or without meaning to gain an advantage from taking it. 1333 00:55:58,317 --> 00:56:00,353 Mm-hmm. And so they made that up 1334 00:56:00,354 --> 00:56:02,190 to basically kind of let people off the hook? 1335 00:56:02,191 --> 00:56:04,160 Oh, yeah. Yeah. 1336 00:56:04,161 --> 00:56:07,065 Carl's story is- it's been a cold medicine; 1337 00:56:07,066 --> 00:56:09,571 it's been a tea; it's been some kind of a nutrient. 1338 00:56:09,572 --> 00:56:12,075 - It's a stimulant. - CHRIS: So you're saying these athletes- 1339 00:56:12,076 --> 00:56:13,513 they know what's on the banned substance list? 1340 00:56:13,514 --> 00:56:14,479 They totally know. 1341 00:56:14,514 --> 00:56:16,851 They are bombarded with the banned substance list. 1342 00:56:16,852 --> 00:56:18,854 A lot of people say you failed the drug test, 1343 00:56:18,855 --> 00:56:20,858 you raced against Ben Johnson, 1344 00:56:20,859 --> 00:56:24,331 and that maybe- maybe the gold medal 1345 00:56:24,332 --> 00:56:26,335 - should go to the guy next on the stand. - I understand. 1346 00:56:26,336 --> 00:56:29,240 There are a lot of people that are going to go to their graves saying, 1347 00:56:29,241 --> 00:56:31,844 "I know he did it. " and you know what? To hell with them. 1348 00:56:34,016 --> 00:56:36,753 DR. EXUM: You really cannot fault the athlete for doing that. 1349 00:56:36,754 --> 00:56:40,293 You can't fault Carl when Carl's belief is 1350 00:56:40,294 --> 00:56:43,432 that the system sets some rules and that you need to follow them. 1351 00:56:43,433 --> 00:56:45,436 And they made an exception in his case. 1352 00:56:45,437 --> 00:56:48,575 They made an exception in a lot of people's cases. 1353 00:56:48,576 --> 00:56:50,746 But it's the system 1354 00:56:50,747 --> 00:56:53,384 that actually teaches athletes to think that way. 1355 00:56:53,385 --> 00:56:55,388 You know, for me 1356 00:56:55,389 --> 00:56:57,725 the whole "level playing field" was a myth. 1357 00:56:57,726 --> 00:57:01,065 If we could not do anything to take doping out of sports 1358 00:57:01,066 --> 00:57:04,505 then doping was meant to be in sports. 1359 00:57:04,506 --> 00:57:08,211 The first all-drug Olympics opened today in Bogota, Colombia. 1360 00:57:08,212 --> 00:57:11,150 Athletes are allowed to take any substance whatsoever 1361 00:57:11,151 --> 00:57:14,221 before, after, and even during the competition. 1362 00:57:15,426 --> 00:57:17,428 - ( screams ) - ( laughter ) 1363 00:57:17,429 --> 00:57:19,732 Oh! He's pulled his arms off! 1364 00:57:19,733 --> 00:57:23,138 He's pulled his arms off. That's got to be disappointing to the big Russian. 1365 00:57:26,212 --> 00:57:28,215 Yeah! 1366 00:57:28,216 --> 00:57:31,387 What has made every major sport 1367 00:57:31,388 --> 00:57:33,324 a multi-billion-dollar entity? 1368 00:57:33,325 --> 00:57:35,729 Well, after you distill it all down, 1369 00:57:35,730 --> 00:57:37,298 it's the desire of the customer, 1370 00:57:37,299 --> 00:57:40,537 the fans that fill these seats and others, 1371 00:57:40,538 --> 00:57:44,111 to see bigger-than-life people doing bigger-than-life things. 1372 00:57:44,112 --> 00:57:46,749 CHRIS: What do you think about athletes using steroids in sports? 1373 00:57:46,750 --> 00:57:48,920 Steroids? I love it if they're on my team. 1374 00:57:48,921 --> 00:57:51,157 I think it's totally wrong, totally wrong. 1375 00:57:51,158 --> 00:57:52,793 - Worst offense. Throw them out. - It's cheating? 1376 00:57:52,794 --> 00:57:55,164 Hell yeah, it's cheating. Are you kidding me? 1377 00:57:56,601 --> 00:57:59,205 MAN: Oh! 1378 00:57:59,206 --> 00:58:01,610 - ( man cheering ) - ( belches ) 1379 00:58:01,611 --> 00:58:03,446 MAN: It all gets back to money. 1380 00:58:03,447 --> 00:58:05,216 As long as people continue to buy 1381 00:58:05,217 --> 00:58:08,255 Mark McGuire shirts, Barry Bonds hats, 1382 00:58:08,256 --> 00:58:10,659 we're feeding that monster. 1383 00:58:10,660 --> 00:58:13,164 You vote for the Raiders by wearing the Raiders hat. 1384 00:58:13,165 --> 00:58:14,934 You cast your vote for Nike with your T-shirt. 1385 00:58:14,935 --> 00:58:17,505 You know, every day when you pick a dollar out of your pocket 1386 00:58:17,506 --> 00:58:19,676 you're voting. And if you don't like 1387 00:58:19,677 --> 00:58:23,015 athletes juicing up, then don't vote to have that done. 1388 00:58:23,016 --> 00:58:25,186 Don't buy their stuff. Don't go to the game. 1389 00:58:25,187 --> 00:58:27,190 Do steroids. Become governor. 1390 00:58:27,191 --> 00:58:29,361 Be big and strong, no girly man. 1391 00:58:29,362 --> 00:58:31,732 - The Giants, baby! - Whoo! 1392 00:58:31,733 --> 00:58:34,269 Shockey! 1393 00:58:34,270 --> 00:58:36,006 Whoo! 1394 00:58:36,007 --> 00:58:37,776 CHRIS: Since the steroid scandals broke 1395 00:58:37,777 --> 00:58:39,847 sports revenue has gone through the roof. 1396 00:58:39,848 --> 00:58:43,320 People are buying more tickets, T- shirts as souvenirs than ever. 1397 00:58:43,321 --> 00:58:45,791 So if this is what we the people are voting for, 1398 00:58:45,792 --> 00:58:48,362 why did Congress get involved? 1399 00:58:48,363 --> 00:58:50,600 They always tell you that if you have a problem, 1400 00:58:50,601 --> 00:58:52,603 Talk to your Congressman. 1401 00:58:52,604 --> 00:58:55,642 Lucky for me, my Congressman is Henry Waxman. 1402 00:58:55,643 --> 00:58:57,445 - Hey, how are you? - I'm fine. How are you? 1403 00:58:57,446 --> 00:58:58,982 Very nice to meet you. Chris Bell. 1404 00:58:58,983 --> 00:59:00,351 CHRIS: He's the one who called 1405 00:59:00,352 --> 00:59:02,354 the baseball hearings in the first place. 1406 00:59:02,355 --> 00:59:04,358 He's got to have some answers. 1407 00:59:04,359 --> 00:59:06,362 I think it's important 1408 00:59:06,363 --> 00:59:09,133 for sports figures 1409 00:59:09,134 --> 00:59:11,571 in major league sports 1410 00:59:11,572 --> 00:59:13,575 not to be allowed 1411 00:59:13,576 --> 00:59:16,647 to use steroids under any circumstance. 1412 00:59:16,648 --> 00:59:18,517 And for young people- 1413 00:59:18,518 --> 00:59:21,155 we certainly don't want them to be using it. 1414 00:59:21,156 --> 00:59:24,428 So the drug is a restricted drug. 1415 00:59:24,429 --> 00:59:27,033 It's not- there's not a- 1416 00:59:27,034 --> 00:59:29,738 Let me- 1417 00:59:29,739 --> 00:59:32,075 Brian, is it illegal to use-? 1418 00:59:32,076 --> 00:59:33,946 it's illegal- it's legal 1419 00:59:33,947 --> 00:59:35,615 under some circumstances. What's-? 1420 00:59:35,616 --> 00:59:37,352 BRIAN: It's legal with a prescription- 1421 00:59:37,353 --> 00:59:39,623 - legal with- okay. - -A medical prescription. 1422 00:59:39,624 --> 00:59:41,493 It's legal with a medical prescription. 1423 00:59:41,494 --> 00:59:43,397 And the other drug was the... 1424 00:59:43,398 --> 00:59:45,567 testosterone or just steroids in general. 1425 00:59:45,568 --> 00:59:47,938 Well, I think that they're also banned. 1426 00:59:47,939 --> 00:59:50,543 They're already banned in professional sports. 1427 00:59:50,544 --> 00:59:52,814 Brian, am I right? Speak up if I'm wrong. 1428 00:59:52,815 --> 00:59:53,983 - Yes. - Okay. 1429 00:59:53,984 --> 00:59:56,254 Well, these products are already banned. 1430 00:59:56,255 --> 00:59:59,359 Cigarettes and alcohol 1431 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,363 are legally available, 1432 01:00:01,364 --> 01:00:04,168 but not if you're under the age. 1433 01:00:04,169 --> 01:00:06,172 And I think the age 1434 01:00:06,173 --> 01:00:08,943 is 18 for both all around the country. 1435 01:00:08,944 --> 01:00:12,116 Is it 18 or 21? I'm getting confused. What? 1436 01:00:12,117 --> 01:00:13,618 - BRIAN: 21. - CHRIS: 21. 1437 01:00:13,619 --> 01:00:15,556 - Okay, so strike that. - That's all right. 1438 01:00:15,557 --> 01:00:17,593 President Bush allotted 1439 01:00:17,594 --> 01:00:20,031 $15 million for steroid education. 1440 01:00:20,032 --> 01:00:21,967 Where has that money gone? 1441 01:00:21,968 --> 01:00:24,706 Um, I don't know. 1442 01:00:24,707 --> 01:00:27,177 Do you know? 1443 01:00:27,178 --> 01:00:28,680 Okay, we don't know. ( laughs ) 1444 01:00:28,681 --> 01:00:31,518 - Okay. - So... 1445 01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:33,522 JEFF TAYLOR: It's a war on drugs 1446 01:00:33,523 --> 01:00:35,559 and Congressmen want to be tough on drugs, 1447 01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:37,562 so they just demonize them all. 1448 01:00:37,563 --> 01:00:39,700 And they say, "oh, our children are being exposed to them. 1449 01:00:39,701 --> 01:00:41,704 They're gonna kill our children. " 1450 01:00:41,705 --> 01:00:44,142 And they just paint everything in black and white. 1451 01:00:44,143 --> 01:00:46,413 And they really don't see the areas in between. 1452 01:00:46,414 --> 01:00:48,617 For those of us who live in the grey areas 1453 01:00:48,618 --> 01:00:50,453 and whose life depends on it. 1454 01:00:50,454 --> 01:00:52,055 It's a very important issue. 1455 01:00:52,056 --> 01:00:54,260 Politicians are always looking 1456 01:00:54,261 --> 01:00:56,297 for an issue to get behind. 1457 01:00:56,298 --> 01:00:58,134 They're always looking for something 1458 01:00:58,135 --> 01:00:59,970 to be able to say to the public, 1459 01:00:59,971 --> 01:01:01,841 "hey, look at what my legislation's doing. 1460 01:01:01,842 --> 01:01:03,210 Look at what my bill has done. 1461 01:01:03,211 --> 01:01:06,081 I'm out there. I'm protecting you. 1462 01:01:06,082 --> 01:01:08,152 I'm protecting the children. " 1463 01:01:08,153 --> 01:01:10,256 CHRIS: Turns out the most important witness 1464 01:01:10,257 --> 01:01:13,095 at the baseball hearings was not a famous athlete. 1465 01:01:13,096 --> 01:01:15,566 Taylor Hooton was a 17-year-old kid 1466 01:01:15,567 --> 01:01:19,005 who committed suicide and his father blamed steroids. 1467 01:01:19,006 --> 01:01:21,911 I believe the poor example 1468 01:01:21,912 --> 01:01:24,249 being set by professional athletes 1469 01:01:24,250 --> 01:01:26,720 is a major catalyst fueling 1470 01:01:26,721 --> 01:01:29,091 the high usage of steroids amongst our kids. 1471 01:01:29,092 --> 01:01:31,328 And parents across America 1472 01:01:31,329 --> 01:01:33,665 should hold you accountable 1473 01:01:33,666 --> 01:01:36,070 for behavior that inspires our kids 1474 01:01:36,071 --> 01:01:38,474 to do things that put their health at risk 1475 01:01:38,475 --> 01:01:40,478 and that teaches them that the ethics 1476 01:01:40,479 --> 01:01:42,983 we try to teach them around our kitchen table 1477 01:01:42,984 --> 01:01:45,454 somehow don't apply to them. 1478 01:01:45,455 --> 01:01:47,458 Please help us to see 1479 01:01:47,459 --> 01:01:50,129 that our children's lives were not lost in vain. 1480 01:01:50,130 --> 01:01:52,868 You have the power to do something about it 1481 01:01:52,869 --> 01:01:55,706 and we're counting on you to do so. 1482 01:01:55,707 --> 01:01:57,442 JOHN SWEENEY: Donald Hooton coming in 1483 01:01:57,443 --> 01:01:59,180 and putting a human face on it 1484 01:01:59,181 --> 01:02:02,653 was more powerful than the scientific- 1485 01:02:02,654 --> 01:02:04,957 the statistics or any of that stuff. 1486 01:02:04,958 --> 01:02:07,628 CHRIS: On average, 5,000 kids a year 1487 01:02:07,629 --> 01:02:09,666 commit suicide in America. 1488 01:02:09,667 --> 01:02:12,337 And most parents never know exactly why. 1489 01:02:12,338 --> 01:02:14,675 I wanted to find out why Donald Hooton is so sure 1490 01:02:14,676 --> 01:02:17,779 that the answer could be as simple as steroids. 1491 01:02:25,229 --> 01:02:26,730 - How are you doing? - Fine. 1492 01:02:26,731 --> 01:02:28,834 - Chris Henry. - Don Hooton. Nice to meet you. 1493 01:02:28,835 --> 01:02:32,139 This is a very very competitive community 1494 01:02:32,140 --> 01:02:34,612 all the way from athletics to business. 1495 01:02:34,613 --> 01:02:37,850 So you wind up in an affluent area 1496 01:02:37,851 --> 01:02:41,156 where these kids can afford to play with this stuff. 1497 01:02:41,157 --> 01:02:43,494 And of course in hindsight as we look back, 1498 01:02:43,495 --> 01:02:45,598 all of the signs were staring us in the face- 1499 01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:48,170 The behavior problems, the physical changes, 1500 01:02:48,171 --> 01:02:50,440 but we had no idea what we were looking at. 1501 01:02:50,441 --> 01:02:52,410 If we go back to the medical textbook, 1502 01:02:52,411 --> 01:02:55,316 the depression that comes along with steroid use is bad, 1503 01:02:55,317 --> 01:02:58,656 but it's worse in that four-to-six-week period 1504 01:02:58,657 --> 01:03:01,160 following stopping using this stuff. 1505 01:03:01,161 --> 01:03:03,431 And it was during that period 1506 01:03:03,432 --> 01:03:05,434 that his mother found him 1507 01:03:05,435 --> 01:03:07,939 hanging on the door in his bedroom. 1508 01:03:07,940 --> 01:03:09,275 Jeez. 1509 01:03:09,276 --> 01:03:11,278 Taylor Hooton's dad, Don Hooton, 1510 01:03:11,279 --> 01:03:14,484 called me shortly after 1511 01:03:14,485 --> 01:03:17,056 Taylor had taken his life. 1512 01:03:17,057 --> 01:03:19,760 Together we came up with the idea 1513 01:03:19,761 --> 01:03:21,865 of creating a private organization... 1514 01:03:21,866 --> 01:03:23,835 ...to educate the public 1515 01:03:23,836 --> 01:03:25,838 about the dangers 1516 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:28,142 of anabolic steroid abuse. 1517 01:03:28,143 --> 01:03:30,013 This is Taylor's room. 1518 01:03:30,014 --> 01:03:31,850 You don't have to come in here long to realize 1519 01:03:31,851 --> 01:03:33,519 Taylor was a baseball player. 1520 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,560 'Cause he started maybe five years old in T-ball. 1521 01:03:37,561 --> 01:03:41,601 But Taylor was a great kid. 1522 01:03:41,602 --> 01:03:43,872 We took Taylor to a psychiatrist 1523 01:03:43,873 --> 01:03:46,810 and she put him on a low dose of Lexapro. 1524 01:03:46,811 --> 01:03:49,282 And as far as I know, 1525 01:03:49,283 --> 01:03:51,920 this is the only steroid-related case 1526 01:03:51,921 --> 01:03:55,694 that this well-meaning psychiatrist had ever had. 1527 01:03:55,695 --> 01:03:59,367 And when the psychiatrist recommended that Taylor go cold turkey 1528 01:03:59,368 --> 01:04:02,205 and stop using steroids... 1529 01:04:03,742 --> 01:04:05,912 it was a formula for disaster. 1530 01:04:05,913 --> 01:04:08,250 I feel terrible, obviously, about Taylor Hooton, 1531 01:04:08,251 --> 01:04:10,621 But Taylor Hooton had a lot of problems 1532 01:04:10,622 --> 01:04:12,625 and he was on other drugs. 1533 01:04:12,626 --> 01:04:14,628 According to some newspaper accounts, 1534 01:04:14,629 --> 01:04:17,233 he was on S.S.R.I.S- antidepressants 1535 01:04:17,234 --> 01:04:19,236 which have been shown to be associated 1536 01:04:19,237 --> 01:04:22,142 with suicidal ideation and suicidal behavior. 1537 01:04:22,143 --> 01:04:25,047 So whether his suicide was due to Lexapro 1538 01:04:25,048 --> 01:04:27,185 or due to steroids or due to depression 1539 01:04:27,186 --> 01:04:29,522 or due to stress of being a great athlete, 1540 01:04:29,523 --> 01:04:31,693 there are five other things- I don't know. 1541 01:04:31,694 --> 01:04:33,831 Do you think that perhaps- 1542 01:04:33,832 --> 01:04:36,636 when I look at your website, 1543 01:04:36,637 --> 01:04:39,440 The Taylor Hooton Foundation- 1544 01:04:39,441 --> 01:04:41,845 do you think it's a responsibility 1545 01:04:41,846 --> 01:04:45,652 to include antidepressants in there 1546 01:04:45,653 --> 01:04:47,656 just in case there are critics 1547 01:04:47,657 --> 01:04:49,660 or just to raise the awareness 1548 01:04:49,661 --> 01:04:52,398 of how dangerous perhaps antidepressants may be? 1549 01:04:52,399 --> 01:04:54,402 No, I don't. And the reason is, 1550 01:04:54,403 --> 01:04:57,540 our battle is not with antidepressants. Our battle's with steroids. 1551 01:04:57,541 --> 01:05:00,479 The National Institute on Drug Abuse said 1552 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,483 the dangers of anabolic steroids 1553 01:05:02,484 --> 01:05:04,955 are temporary and reversible. 1554 01:05:04,956 --> 01:05:07,458 My son is dead. 1555 01:05:09,263 --> 01:05:12,802 All of the intellectual arguments 1556 01:05:12,803 --> 01:05:14,271 about whether or not 1557 01:05:14,272 --> 01:05:17,844 steroids are dangerous or not 1558 01:05:17,845 --> 01:05:19,848 don't matter to me. 1559 01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:21,785 I know they're dangerous. 1560 01:05:21,786 --> 01:05:25,092 I saw it with my own eyes and I watched my son die. 1561 01:05:25,093 --> 01:05:27,763 The only evidence I need is the pictures of my son 1562 01:05:27,764 --> 01:05:29,766 that are on the wall behind you. 1563 01:05:29,767 --> 01:05:31,168 Mm-hmm. 1564 01:05:33,541 --> 01:05:35,510 JOHN ROMANO: Look, I have a son too. 1565 01:05:35,511 --> 01:05:38,182 And the last thing in the world I could ever imagine doing 1566 01:05:38,183 --> 01:05:40,119 is burying that kid. And it would probably 1567 01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:41,889 ruin me for the rest of my life. 1568 01:05:41,890 --> 01:05:44,059 And I can see where having a cause 1569 01:05:44,060 --> 01:05:46,798 to sort of assuage the feelings of guilt 1570 01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:49,870 and depression that are following my son's death 1571 01:05:49,871 --> 01:05:53,043 would probably be helpful. "Let's not let this happen to somebody else. " 1572 01:05:53,044 --> 01:05:55,514 But they're chasing the wrong thing. 1573 01:05:55,515 --> 01:05:57,083 They're not doing it right. 1574 01:05:57,084 --> 01:05:59,087 We're working with major league baseball 1575 01:05:59,088 --> 01:06:01,091 to make that happen now 1576 01:06:01,092 --> 01:06:03,662 where hopefully in each local stadium 1577 01:06:03,663 --> 01:06:06,100 there's gonna be a steroid awareness night. 1578 01:06:06,101 --> 01:06:08,104 Do you find it ironic at all 1579 01:06:08,105 --> 01:06:11,142 to have a steroid awareness night for baseball 1580 01:06:11,143 --> 01:06:13,113 in a stadium that sells alcohol 1581 01:06:13,114 --> 01:06:15,984 which is responsible for a lot of deaths as a drug? 1582 01:06:17,789 --> 01:06:19,624 Alcohol's legal to sell. 1583 01:06:19,625 --> 01:06:21,628 And we can argue all day long 1584 01:06:21,629 --> 01:06:25,702 Whether tobacco kills and whether alcohol kills, 1585 01:06:25,703 --> 01:06:27,706 and there's a clear distinction in my mind 1586 01:06:27,707 --> 01:06:30,478 between tobacco or alcohol 1587 01:06:30,479 --> 01:06:33,884 and steroids and methamphetamines and coke. 1588 01:06:33,885 --> 01:06:35,654 - Thanks for sharing that with us. - All right. 1589 01:06:35,655 --> 01:06:37,557 I know how hard it can be and everything. 1590 01:06:37,558 --> 01:06:39,159 This is important stuff. 1591 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,703 ( marching band playing, cheerleaders cheering ) 1592 01:06:54,122 --> 01:06:56,492 MARK: Anybody who asks me about it- 1593 01:06:56,493 --> 01:06:58,329 I let them know. I tell them why. 1594 01:06:58,330 --> 01:07:01,234 I tell them how much I take. I'll tell them anything 1595 01:07:01,235 --> 01:07:04,240 - they want to ask me about them 'cause I think- - What about the kids? 1596 01:07:04,241 --> 01:07:07,079 The kids are different because- 1597 01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:09,716 a couple kids asked me in front of the whole group 1598 01:07:09,717 --> 01:07:11,320 and I had to lie about it 1599 01:07:11,321 --> 01:07:13,825 because this whole steroid thing is just out of hand. 1600 01:07:13,826 --> 01:07:15,929 I know coach Henry doesn't take any steroids. 1601 01:07:15,930 --> 01:07:18,032 He's just 100% strong. 1602 01:07:18,033 --> 01:07:20,570 I think somebody asked him if he was on steroids 1603 01:07:20,571 --> 01:07:23,309 and he said no. And I completely believe him. 1604 01:07:23,310 --> 01:07:25,412 He just teaches that steroids are basically- 1605 01:07:25,413 --> 01:07:27,249 they're a cheap way out of doing hard work. 1606 01:07:27,250 --> 01:07:29,620 MARK: I say they're not for kids. 1607 01:07:29,621 --> 01:07:32,592 Steroids are not for kids. That's plain and simple. 1608 01:07:32,593 --> 01:07:34,696 You should achieve things naturally 1609 01:07:34,697 --> 01:07:36,666 and then maybe you should think about them 1610 01:07:36,667 --> 01:07:38,269 when you're an adult. 1611 01:07:38,270 --> 01:07:40,273 The main reason why I don't take steroids 1612 01:07:40,274 --> 01:07:42,778 is 'cause he got it into my head that I don't need 'em, 1613 01:07:42,779 --> 01:07:46,184 that I got the potential right now as a teenager to get as strong as I want. 1614 01:07:46,185 --> 01:07:48,822 MARK: What good would it do them to know that I take steroids? 1615 01:07:48,823 --> 01:07:51,226 It wouldn't do them any good. They'd just be like, 1616 01:07:51,227 --> 01:07:53,597 "oh, man, he's a cheater. 1617 01:07:53,598 --> 01:07:55,468 Would you ever tell our parents that you do it? 1618 01:07:55,469 --> 01:07:59,041 Um, I mean, you know, 1619 01:07:59,042 --> 01:08:01,044 if they asked me. 1620 01:08:01,045 --> 01:08:03,983 I only cooked two pounds. 1621 01:08:03,984 --> 01:08:06,688 I hope it's enough. 1622 01:08:06,689 --> 01:08:09,026 CHRIS: You know, we went to church all the time. 1623 01:08:09,027 --> 01:08:10,930 I grew up in a great family. 1624 01:08:10,931 --> 01:08:12,933 I don't think I could ask 1625 01:08:12,934 --> 01:08:15,337 for anybody better to be parents, you know. 1626 01:08:15,338 --> 01:08:19,879 And when I went to the U.S.C. 1627 01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:21,950 I didn't do any drugs. I didn't do anything. 1628 01:08:21,951 --> 01:08:24,254 - 'Cause you're a good boy. - Well... 1629 01:08:24,255 --> 01:08:26,792 And then I got to a point where I actually tried steroids. 1630 01:08:26,793 --> 01:08:29,430 I tried Winstrol, which is injections. 1631 01:08:29,431 --> 01:08:31,667 You injected a needle in yourself? 1632 01:08:31,668 --> 01:08:33,237 MIKE: It's just in the muscle. 1633 01:08:33,238 --> 01:08:34,940 Yeah, 'cause you get to a point where you're like, 1634 01:08:34,941 --> 01:08:37,145 "I'm getting out of shape. I don't feel like I used to. " 1635 01:08:37,146 --> 01:08:39,148 The reason I stopped doing it was 1636 01:08:39,149 --> 01:08:41,519 because I thought it was immoral. 1637 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,990 I thought it was so wrong and like, 1638 01:08:43,991 --> 01:08:46,194 "what if my parents found out I did this?" 1639 01:08:46,195 --> 01:08:48,031 I think it's really hard to hear 1640 01:08:48,032 --> 01:08:51,170 - that you tried 'em and everything, but- - For you. 1641 01:08:51,171 --> 01:08:52,640 It's not hard for me. 1642 01:08:52,641 --> 01:08:55,878 What I'm saying is that it's hard to hear. 1643 01:08:55,879 --> 01:08:57,882 And what about mark? I mean, 1644 01:08:57,883 --> 01:09:00,453 how come you're staying big but you're not getting fat? 1645 01:09:00,454 --> 01:09:02,925 - You're just- - I'm getting fatter. 1646 01:09:02,926 --> 01:09:04,862 No, but your face is rounder. 1647 01:09:04,863 --> 01:09:07,033 - I put on body fat. - MIKE: He's about- 1648 01:09:07,034 --> 01:09:09,804 You're about 7% or 8% higher than what you normally are, wouldn't you say? 1649 01:09:09,805 --> 01:09:11,507 I have no idea. I don't really care either. 1650 01:09:11,508 --> 01:09:13,177 CHRIS: He's already married. He doesn't care. 1651 01:09:13,178 --> 01:09:15,448 ROSEMARY: Except Smelly's not saying anything. 1652 01:09:15,449 --> 01:09:18,586 Don't let your brothers overrun your conversation. 1653 01:09:20,391 --> 01:09:22,661 SHELDON: When you get caught with something 1654 01:09:22,662 --> 01:09:26,001 I think the truth is always the fastest way 1655 01:09:26,002 --> 01:09:27,704 out of the situation, 1656 01:09:27,705 --> 01:09:29,908 but it's not always the best way out. 1657 01:09:29,909 --> 01:09:32,145 You know, she's concerned. She's being a mom 1658 01:09:32,146 --> 01:09:36,520 and she's just trying to leave it open 1659 01:09:36,521 --> 01:09:38,857 where I could say, "Yeah, you know what? I do 'em. 1660 01:09:38,858 --> 01:09:42,030 And this is why. " I think that's what she's looking for. 1661 01:09:42,031 --> 01:09:44,568 But she's still never directly asked me. 1662 01:09:44,569 --> 01:09:47,607 So until that time comes I ain't sayin' nothin'. 1663 01:09:47,608 --> 01:09:49,377 ( chuckles ) 1664 01:09:49,378 --> 01:09:52,182 SHELDON: People have a tendency to cheat at everything. 1665 01:09:52,183 --> 01:09:54,185 And that happens with taxes too, 1666 01:09:54,186 --> 01:09:57,025 just like it could with steroids or any other thing. 1667 01:09:57,026 --> 01:10:01,633 It's human nature. It's the sinful nature of men. 1668 01:10:01,634 --> 01:10:03,403 CHRIS: My dad convinced mad dog and his wife 1669 01:10:03,404 --> 01:10:05,540 To settle down in Poughkeepsie. 1670 01:10:05,541 --> 01:10:08,312 And he's been doing income taxes for the same guys he used to wrestle with. 1671 01:10:08,313 --> 01:10:10,783 I keep a couple things around, not too much. 1672 01:10:10,784 --> 01:10:12,753 Big john. John always keeps it real. 1673 01:10:12,754 --> 01:10:15,658 This just says "To Mad Dog. Thanks for everything. " 1674 01:10:15,659 --> 01:10:18,931 CHRIS: Not exactly how he thought his life would turn out. 1675 01:10:18,932 --> 01:10:20,667 MIKE: I get up, I go to the office, 1676 01:10:20,668 --> 01:10:22,805 you know, I make money for them, I make money for me. 1677 01:10:22,806 --> 01:10:25,309 I got a great wife. I got a great family. 1678 01:10:25,310 --> 01:10:27,313 But I wanted to be a famous wrestler 1679 01:10:27,314 --> 01:10:29,718 and, you know, I wanted to live the life. 1680 01:10:29,719 --> 01:10:32,289 I wanted to be on the road, travel, meeting people, 1681 01:10:32,290 --> 01:10:34,293 Making money, having fun- 1682 01:10:34,294 --> 01:10:36,162 you know, living the life. 1683 01:10:36,163 --> 01:10:38,100 SHELDON: He'll break down and he'll be crying 1684 01:10:38,101 --> 01:10:40,070 and he'll say, like, "dad, the biggest fear 1685 01:10:40,071 --> 01:10:42,073 I ever had in my life was being average Joe. 1686 01:10:42,074 --> 01:10:44,444 And I'm 36 years old and that's all I can see for myself. " 1687 01:10:44,445 --> 01:10:45,814 CHRIS: What do you want to do now? 1688 01:10:45,815 --> 01:10:48,252 Where do you see yourself going? 1689 01:10:48,253 --> 01:10:51,992 I mean, you know, the immediate goal was to get out of Poughkeepsie, 1690 01:10:51,993 --> 01:10:55,231 move to California, establish my name 1691 01:10:55,232 --> 01:10:59,372 and then start my own business eventually. 1692 01:10:59,373 --> 01:11:01,743 Seemed like he was making good progress, okay? 1693 01:11:01,744 --> 01:11:03,279 But he wasn't making any progress. 1694 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,950 I told him the other night, I said, 1695 01:11:04,951 --> 01:11:07,321 "you might be fooling everybody else, 1696 01:11:07,322 --> 01:11:09,023 but you're not fooling me. 1697 01:11:09,024 --> 01:11:11,194 You're full of shit. You're still on stuff. " 1698 01:11:11,195 --> 01:11:13,365 Why do you think he would tell us about it? 1699 01:11:13,366 --> 01:11:16,036 He tells me everything else, you know, that he's doing. 1700 01:11:16,037 --> 01:11:18,040 I think he's partially embarrassed 1701 01:11:18,041 --> 01:11:21,145 and I think he's- 1702 01:11:21,146 --> 01:11:23,483 that's part of addictive behavior. 1703 01:11:23,484 --> 01:11:26,856 His thing is this- "I'm gonna be fine as soon as I'm out of here. 1704 01:11:26,857 --> 01:11:29,794 I'm gonna go live in California. My life is gonna be perfect. " 1705 01:11:29,795 --> 01:11:33,368 But if he really believes that- no, he's not gonna be fine at all. 1706 01:11:33,369 --> 01:11:36,107 You know who I feel bad for? I feel bad for Nadine. 1707 01:11:36,108 --> 01:11:38,176 'Cause here's a young girl who's married, 1708 01:11:38,177 --> 01:11:41,216 whose hopes and dreams and life 1709 01:11:41,217 --> 01:11:44,154 is in him, and he's a screw-up. 1710 01:11:44,155 --> 01:11:47,560 And if he ends up overdosing and killing himself 1711 01:11:47,561 --> 01:11:50,333 or if he ends up on the rocks, he's taking her with him. 1712 01:11:50,334 --> 01:11:53,204 I'm not moving out there with the hopes and dreams of- 1713 01:11:53,205 --> 01:11:55,609 I'm not gonna wait tables and hope I'm gonna be an actor. 1714 01:11:55,610 --> 01:11:57,379 I already did that- 15 years of wrestling. 1715 01:11:57,380 --> 01:11:58,748 You think you'll get noticed? 1716 01:11:58,749 --> 01:12:00,785 I'm not moving out to get noticed, 1717 01:12:00,786 --> 01:12:02,822 but you're never gonna get noticed in Poughkeepsie. 1718 01:12:02,823 --> 01:12:05,260 In Hollywood you're walking down the street, somebody sees you- 1719 01:12:05,261 --> 01:12:07,230 "hey, you got a minute?" you just never know. 1720 01:12:07,231 --> 01:12:09,234 You don't think there's any way 1721 01:12:09,235 --> 01:12:11,237 he can get past it? 1722 01:12:11,238 --> 01:12:13,975 A miracle. 1723 01:12:15,814 --> 01:12:18,484 I'm serious. 1724 01:12:18,485 --> 01:12:20,989 I think they're gonna find him dead someday. 1725 01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:24,528 I thought bringing up boys- this is easy. 1726 01:12:24,529 --> 01:12:27,301 At least I don't have a daughter who's, like, 1727 01:12:27,302 --> 01:12:29,404 got her face in the bowl throwing up. 1728 01:12:29,405 --> 01:12:32,510 You know, did I- did I do something 1729 01:12:32,511 --> 01:12:34,514 as a mother 1730 01:12:34,515 --> 01:12:37,052 To make you feel, 1731 01:12:37,053 --> 01:12:38,788 like, not good enough? 1732 01:12:38,789 --> 01:12:41,794 When Mike went off to college and he calls your father up 1733 01:12:41,795 --> 01:12:43,263 and says, "can I try steroids?" 1734 01:12:43,264 --> 01:12:46,903 "No, you're not getting money to try steroids. " 1735 01:12:46,904 --> 01:12:51,645 You know, we both thought that was a crazy thing, so- 1736 01:12:51,646 --> 01:12:53,783 but do you know where he ended up getting 'em from? 1737 01:12:53,784 --> 01:12:56,688 - No, but I wasn't gonna- - He got 'em from your brother John. 1738 01:12:56,689 --> 01:12:58,591 No- 1739 01:13:00,463 --> 01:13:02,866 So that's- I mean, it's something that's like, 1740 01:13:02,867 --> 01:13:04,869 you know, in our family. 1741 01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:06,873 I mean, it's something that, like- 1742 01:13:06,874 --> 01:13:09,378 Chris, you're already killing me with this as it is. 1743 01:13:09,379 --> 01:13:11,282 - Well, I'm telling- - It just gets worse. 1744 01:13:11,283 --> 01:13:12,951 I'm just telling you the truth. 1745 01:13:12,952 --> 01:13:15,689 I'm just trying to tell you how I feel as a mother. 1746 01:13:15,690 --> 01:13:18,294 I am broken to my soul. 1747 01:13:18,295 --> 01:13:20,464 My heart is broken. 1748 01:13:21,668 --> 01:13:23,671 When you were growing up Hulk Hogan- 1749 01:13:23,672 --> 01:13:25,742 look what he's saying. "take your vitamins, 1750 01:13:25,743 --> 01:13:27,946 say your prayers-" and what? 1751 01:13:27,947 --> 01:13:30,249 - "believe in yourself. " - Yeah, but it's not true. 1752 01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:32,988 - So I started working out. - "Take your steroids," okay? 1753 01:13:32,989 --> 01:13:35,426 I don't know if he ever prays or not. 1754 01:13:35,427 --> 01:13:39,333 Never heard him talk about god in his whole life, okay? 1755 01:13:39,334 --> 01:13:41,337 Now that time has gone by, 1756 01:13:41,338 --> 01:13:43,240 I'm like, "is this guy a fraud?" 1757 01:13:43,241 --> 01:13:45,779 And that's where I think that everybody needs 1758 01:13:45,780 --> 01:13:48,817 to begin to accept- "I am who I am," 1759 01:13:48,818 --> 01:13:50,788 said Popeye the sailor man. 1760 01:13:50,789 --> 01:13:52,824 He even was a gyp. 1761 01:13:52,825 --> 01:13:55,430 - He had to take spinach. - He had to take spinach. 1762 01:13:55,431 --> 01:13:57,934 Everybody needs something. I mean, what's up with that? 1763 01:13:57,935 --> 01:14:00,806 If I just accept who I am right now, isn't that just giving up? 1764 01:14:00,807 --> 01:14:03,077 No, accept who you are as a person. 1765 01:14:03,078 --> 01:14:05,247 Then your body image is something different. 1766 01:14:05,248 --> 01:14:07,752 Do you think a fat person hasn't tried everything 1767 01:14:07,753 --> 01:14:10,423 that's legal? But I'm not gonna cross the line. 1768 01:14:10,424 --> 01:14:13,696 The Bible lays everything out about how to live your life. 1769 01:14:13,697 --> 01:14:15,934 - But the bible can't solve all your problems. - It can. 1770 01:14:15,935 --> 01:14:18,839 I can't pray to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger. It's not gonna happen. 1771 01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,477 No, you can't pray to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, 1772 01:14:21,478 --> 01:14:23,481 but neither can you take enough steroids 1773 01:14:23,482 --> 01:14:26,420 or enough human growth hormone to look like him either. 1774 01:14:26,421 --> 01:14:28,824 - But you can get as close as you can. - It's not gonna happen. 1775 01:14:28,825 --> 01:14:31,562 You're fearfully and wonderfully made. 1776 01:14:31,563 --> 01:14:35,102 Every sinew in your body, every muscle, every fiber 1777 01:14:35,103 --> 01:14:37,507 was made by god. And you're exactly 1778 01:14:37,508 --> 01:14:39,511 who he intended you to be. 1779 01:14:39,512 --> 01:14:42,649 And so what? To somebody with a six-pack of abs. 1780 01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:44,653 Maybe they don't have what you have. 1781 01:14:44,654 --> 01:14:47,793 I mean, you know, why don't you ever think that way too? 1782 01:14:47,794 --> 01:14:51,031 What I don't get is why did our boys 1783 01:14:51,032 --> 01:14:54,570 Not feel that they were good enough? 1784 01:14:57,210 --> 01:15:00,515 My father or my grandfather 1785 01:15:00,516 --> 01:15:02,486 never worried about 1786 01:15:02,487 --> 01:15:04,490 whether they had a six-pack of abdominals 1787 01:15:04,491 --> 01:15:06,961 or what percentage of body fat they had. 1788 01:15:06,962 --> 01:15:11,035 So why is it now in the 21st century 1789 01:15:11,036 --> 01:15:13,172 that there's this huge preoccupation 1790 01:15:13,173 --> 01:15:15,310 with body image that just didn't exist before? 1791 01:15:15,311 --> 01:15:18,014 CHRIS: Dr. Harrison pope is a psychiatrist 1792 01:15:18,015 --> 01:15:21,554 who studies why American men are becoming more obsessed with their bodies. 1793 01:15:21,555 --> 01:15:24,359 So here we have G.I. Joe 1794 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,663 from the 1960s. 1795 01:15:26,664 --> 01:15:29,368 This is when he first came out at the time of the Vietnam war. 1796 01:15:29,369 --> 01:15:31,506 He's a perfectly normal-looking dude. 1797 01:15:31,507 --> 01:15:34,945 Here is G.I. Joe from about 10 years later, 1798 01:15:34,946 --> 01:15:36,782 - from the mid-1970s. - He's got abs now. 1799 01:15:36,783 --> 01:15:39,387 He's clearly been putting in some time in the gym. 1800 01:15:39,388 --> 01:15:43,227 - And then here is G.I. Joe from the 1990s. - Oh, jeez. 1801 01:15:43,228 --> 01:15:46,065 The bicep is up to 16" or so, 1802 01:15:46,066 --> 01:15:48,103 full six-pack of abs, 1803 01:15:48,104 --> 01:15:50,340 even got serratus muscles visible on the side. 1804 01:15:50,341 --> 01:15:52,344 This evolution in the action figures 1805 01:15:52,345 --> 01:15:54,582 is a testimony 1806 01:15:54,583 --> 01:15:57,253 to this increased preoccupation with body image 1807 01:15:57,254 --> 01:15:59,357 that we've been seeing in the United States. 1808 01:15:59,358 --> 01:16:01,728 And it's funny that in our culture 1809 01:16:01,729 --> 01:16:04,667 we still tend to romanticize 1810 01:16:04,668 --> 01:16:06,671 steroids to a certain way- 1811 01:16:06,672 --> 01:16:09,809 That you'll see an ad for an S.U.V. that says, 1812 01:16:09,810 --> 01:16:12,247 "this is our sedan on steroids. " 1813 01:16:12,248 --> 01:16:14,318 But you wouldn't see an ad for an S.U.V. saying, 1814 01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:16,222 "this is our sedan on cocaine. " 1815 01:16:16,223 --> 01:16:19,293 REPORTER: Well, it's sort of like a golf cart on steroids. 1816 01:16:19,294 --> 01:16:22,066 It looked like an easy-bake oven on steroids. 1817 01:16:22,067 --> 01:16:23,935 It's sort of the economy on steroids. 1818 01:16:23,936 --> 01:16:25,706 Think of it as Apollo on steroids. 1819 01:16:25,707 --> 01:16:28,310 This year the jet stream has really been on steroids. 1820 01:16:28,311 --> 01:16:31,917 Kosovo would be Bosnia on steroids. 1821 01:16:31,918 --> 01:16:34,121 MAN: Adding more U.S. trainers and advisors, 1822 01:16:34,122 --> 01:16:36,826 essentially putting the current strategy on steroids. 1823 01:16:36,827 --> 01:16:39,731 We are besieged every day 1824 01:16:39,732 --> 01:16:43,805 with images of muscular male bodies on T.V., 1825 01:16:43,806 --> 01:16:45,559 in the movies, in cartoons, on magazines 1826 01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,185 at the checkout counter in the department store, 1827 01:16:48,186 --> 01:16:51,645 all of which seem to give this message 1828 01:16:52,446 --> 01:16:55,906 that a real man is big and muscular. 1829 01:17:01,454 --> 01:17:03,246 There you go. Just like that. 1830 01:17:03,247 --> 01:17:05,831 Good. Give me some good abs, Christian. That's it. 1831 01:17:05,832 --> 01:17:07,917 I saw "Conan the Barbarian" when I was 11. 1832 01:17:07,918 --> 01:17:10,794 And at that moment I said, "that's exactly what I want to do. " 1833 01:17:10,795 --> 01:17:13,213 And I started to study Arnold and his achievements. 1834 01:17:13,214 --> 01:17:15,215 So I started training with weights when I was 14. 1835 01:17:15,216 --> 01:17:16,925 I started taking steroids when I was 16. 1836 01:17:16,926 --> 01:17:19,010 So you're advertising a supplement. 1837 01:17:19,011 --> 01:17:21,137 So a guy like me goes and looks in the magazine 1838 01:17:21,138 --> 01:17:23,305 and I see Christian Boeving and I'm like, "wow, man, 1839 01:17:23,306 --> 01:17:25,474 I wanna look like that guy. " so I go and take 1840 01:17:25,475 --> 01:17:27,601 Hydroxycut or some supplement 1841 01:17:27,602 --> 01:17:30,187 because I think that I'm gonna look like you. 1842 01:17:30,188 --> 01:17:32,481 But what I don't know is that you were taking steroids. 1843 01:17:32,482 --> 01:17:34,940 Do you have any problem with that? 1844 01:17:36,067 --> 01:17:38,026 That's a double-edged sword, my friend. 1845 01:17:38,027 --> 01:17:39,987 How to answer this? 1846 01:17:39,988 --> 01:17:41,988 Somebody looks at an ad with me in it 1847 01:17:41,989 --> 01:17:44,282 and says, "Christian Boeving takes Hydroxycut," 1848 01:17:44,283 --> 01:17:46,284 Which I did and I do. 1849 01:17:46,285 --> 01:17:48,828 That doesn't necessarily mean that I don't take something else. 1850 01:17:48,829 --> 01:17:50,621 If they choose to believe 1851 01:17:50,622 --> 01:17:52,998 that that's the only thing I'm taking to look like that, 1852 01:17:52,999 --> 01:17:54,958 then so be it. They should be smarter than that. 1853 01:17:54,959 --> 01:17:57,503 Is it misleading? Possibly a little bit, yeah. 1854 01:17:57,504 --> 01:18:00,589 But is it a lie? Absolutely not. 1855 01:18:00,590 --> 01:18:03,007 I'd say probably 80% to 90%- I'm not kidding you- 1856 01:18:03,008 --> 01:18:04,967 of all the stuff I see in magazines 1857 01:18:04,968 --> 01:18:07,803 is complete hogwash. It's ridiculous to me. 1858 01:18:07,804 --> 01:18:10,848 I don't understand why there's this need in advertising 1859 01:18:10,849 --> 01:18:12,641 To really manipulate things- 1860 01:18:12,642 --> 01:18:14,642 The bone-thin fashion models 1861 01:18:14,643 --> 01:18:16,686 that got all kinds of eating disorders, 1862 01:18:16,687 --> 01:18:18,104 and with men it's the opposite. 1863 01:18:18,105 --> 01:18:20,023 They get the Adonis complex. 1864 01:18:20,024 --> 01:18:22,233 And then there's all kinds of trouble ahead 1865 01:18:22,234 --> 01:18:25,194 'cause you have all these kids who are like you and me when we were young 1866 01:18:25,195 --> 01:18:27,905 looking at all these people and they're perfect. 1867 01:18:27,906 --> 01:18:30,865 And how does that make somebody feel who's not as perfect 1868 01:18:30,866 --> 01:18:32,700 as the people they're seeing? Not very good. 1869 01:18:33,744 --> 01:18:35,786 So this stuff I've tried- 1870 01:18:35,787 --> 01:18:37,371 loaded with sugar. 1871 01:18:37,372 --> 01:18:40,166 I've tried this. I've tried this. 1872 01:18:40,167 --> 01:18:41,417 Of course I've tried this. 1873 01:18:41,418 --> 01:18:43,002 Everybody I think's tried muscle milk. 1874 01:18:43,003 --> 01:18:44,795 I've tried this. I've tried this. 1875 01:18:44,796 --> 01:18:46,505 I've tried all these drinks. 1876 01:18:46,506 --> 01:18:49,423 If speed stack weren't enough, you have extreme speed stack. 1877 01:18:49,424 --> 01:18:51,551 REHAN JALALI: The supplement industry is very unregulated. 1878 01:18:51,552 --> 01:18:53,469 You don't have to have F.D.A. approval 1879 01:18:53,470 --> 01:18:55,179 To come out with a dietary supplement. 1880 01:18:55,180 --> 01:18:57,348 That gives people room to come out 1881 01:18:57,349 --> 01:18:59,725 with some lower-quality products. 1882 01:18:59,726 --> 01:19:02,477 This product says "new legal formula" on it. 1883 01:19:02,478 --> 01:19:04,938 ( laughs ) I don't know what the old formula really had in it. 1884 01:19:04,939 --> 01:19:06,814 "Belizean Man Vine Extract. " 1885 01:19:06,815 --> 01:19:08,608 ( laughs ) I don't want any part of that. 1886 01:19:08,609 --> 01:19:11,110 "Best if used by date and lot number on bottom of can. " 1887 01:19:11,111 --> 01:19:12,402 Yeah. 1888 01:19:12,403 --> 01:19:14,446 ( laughs ) 1889 01:19:14,447 --> 01:19:16,281 CHRIS: I always thought the health industry 1890 01:19:16,282 --> 01:19:18,199 was about, you know, health. 1891 01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,285 Why does it feel like we're back in the wild west? 1892 01:19:20,286 --> 01:19:21,911 It'll clean your teeth and curl your hair! 1893 01:19:21,912 --> 01:19:23,328 The best in the west. 1894 01:19:23,329 --> 01:19:25,206 I wouldn't be dead without a bottle. 1895 01:19:25,207 --> 01:19:28,792 CHRIS: Well, we can all thank the senator from Utah, Orrin Hatch. 1896 01:19:28,793 --> 01:19:30,878 Look how good he looks. 1897 01:19:30,879 --> 01:19:33,171 I want to get his brand is what I want to do. 1898 01:19:33,172 --> 01:19:35,966 CHRIS: See, the health industry is big business in Utah. 1899 01:19:35,967 --> 01:19:39,343 They make almost a quarter of all the dietary supplements in America. 1900 01:19:39,344 --> 01:19:42,013 And supplements are a $24-billion industry. 1901 01:19:42,014 --> 01:19:43,972 So you do the math. 1902 01:19:43,973 --> 01:19:46,975 Making supplements used to be like making prescription drugs. 1903 01:19:46,976 --> 01:19:49,227 You had to prove your product was safe and effective 1904 01:19:49,228 --> 01:19:52,563 before you could sell it. Well, the supplement cowboys in Utah 1905 01:19:52,564 --> 01:19:54,690 thought that was a real hassle. 1906 01:19:54,691 --> 01:19:57,567 So they asked their favorite senator to change the rules around. 1907 01:19:57,568 --> 01:20:00,112 And now you don't have to prove your product is safe at all. 1908 01:20:00,113 --> 01:20:01,988 And the F.D.A. has to prove that it's not safe 1909 01:20:01,989 --> 01:20:04,449 If they want to take it off the market. 1910 01:20:04,450 --> 01:20:05,950 What is this red goop? 1911 01:20:05,951 --> 01:20:08,661 This is the Canadian version of redline. 1912 01:20:08,662 --> 01:20:12,164 We had to take out some of the ingredients that aren't legal in Canada. 1913 01:20:12,165 --> 01:20:15,500 CHRIS: Thanks to this deregulation, the supplement industry exploded 1914 01:20:15,501 --> 01:20:19,337 And all sorts of new and interesting people got in on the action. 1915 01:20:19,338 --> 01:20:21,422 We were always a good team, whether we were selling drugs 1916 01:20:21,423 --> 01:20:23,341 or whether we were selling a supplement like we are now. 1917 01:20:23,342 --> 01:20:26,302 "Jekyll & Hyde" supplements, formulated to awaken your other side. 1918 01:20:26,303 --> 01:20:28,595 Take this and all of a sudden you become the freak, the monster. 1919 01:20:28,596 --> 01:20:30,597 Everybody wants to become a monster. 1920 01:20:30,598 --> 01:20:33,517 CHRIS: If Valentino can make a supplement I bet anyone can do it. 1921 01:20:33,518 --> 01:20:35,309 Hola. 1922 01:20:35,310 --> 01:20:37,979 - How many guys you need? - I need two guys. 1923 01:20:37,980 --> 01:20:39,855 - We're making dietary supplements. - Uh-huh. 1924 01:20:39,856 --> 01:20:42,566 And I just need a hand with a couple things. It'd be really easy. 1925 01:20:44,444 --> 01:20:46,278 All I need you guys to do is take the white- 1926 01:20:46,279 --> 01:20:47,612 - MAN: Put inside? - CHRIS: Boom. 1927 01:20:50,116 --> 01:20:53,159 CHRIS: First you buy a bunch of really popular ingredients. 1928 01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,120 But the trick is I'm just gonna use 1929 01:20:55,121 --> 01:20:57,454 - a tiny amount of each one. - Oof. 1930 01:20:57,455 --> 01:21:00,874 It's what we like to call in the supplement biz "pixie dusting. " 1931 01:21:00,875 --> 01:21:02,709 See, I can hide my secret formula 1932 01:21:02,710 --> 01:21:04,711 behind the term "proprietary blend" 1933 01:21:04,712 --> 01:21:06,755 and not reveal that it's pretty much 1934 01:21:06,756 --> 01:21:09,466 just a pillful of rice flour. 1935 01:21:09,467 --> 01:21:12,468 - ( man sneezing ) - It's a good way to make a lot of money. 1936 01:21:12,469 --> 01:21:14,804 Don't sneeze in the supplements here. 1937 01:21:14,805 --> 01:21:16,764 ( man laughs ) 1938 01:21:16,765 --> 01:21:19,391 CHRIS: But with all those expensive ingredients on the label 1939 01:21:19,392 --> 01:21:21,977 I can make this bottle for about a buck 40 1940 01:21:21,978 --> 01:21:24,228 and sell it for $60. 1941 01:21:24,229 --> 01:21:26,605 Thanks, Orrin. 1942 01:21:26,606 --> 01:21:28,732 We're in the supplement business now. 1943 01:21:28,733 --> 01:21:31,734 CHRIS: The scary part is that everything I just did is by the book- 1944 01:21:31,735 --> 01:21:34,363 Well, except for the illegal-immigrant day laborers. 1945 01:21:34,364 --> 01:21:37,574 But hey, nobody's regulating them either. 1946 01:21:37,575 --> 01:21:40,076 Now I just need a misleading advertisement. 1947 01:21:40,077 --> 01:21:42,536 Do you airbrush these guys a lot when you put them in magazines? 1948 01:21:42,537 --> 01:21:44,788 Definitely. There's all kinds of techniques and tools 1949 01:21:44,789 --> 01:21:47,165 you can use to completely manipulate the body. 1950 01:21:47,166 --> 01:21:49,960 - Really? - In fact, some of the "before" and "after" pictures- 1951 01:21:49,961 --> 01:21:52,212 They could be done on the same day. 1952 01:21:52,213 --> 01:21:53,880 You haven't shot them in the same day, though, have you? 1953 01:21:53,881 --> 01:21:55,882 - I have, actually. - Oh, you have? 1954 01:21:55,883 --> 01:21:57,800 - Yeah. - What do they do-? 1955 01:21:57,801 --> 01:22:00,469 Is this the self-editing part? I should keep my mouth shut? 1956 01:22:00,470 --> 01:22:02,512 I could take anybody and take a picture of them, 1957 01:22:02,513 --> 01:22:03,805 make them look their worst... 1958 01:22:03,806 --> 01:22:06,516 think horrible thoughts, depression. 1959 01:22:06,517 --> 01:22:08,602 ( giggles ) 1960 01:22:08,603 --> 01:22:10,853 ...and then through all kinds of ways 1961 01:22:10,854 --> 01:22:12,312 make them look their best. 1962 01:22:12,313 --> 01:22:14,648 Just don't cut my nipple off. 1963 01:22:14,649 --> 01:22:16,899 ( buzzing ) 1964 01:22:17,610 --> 01:22:20,110 Agh! 1965 01:22:20,821 --> 01:22:22,948 All right. Let me see here. Good. 1966 01:22:22,949 --> 01:22:24,741 One, two, three. 1967 01:22:24,742 --> 01:22:26,242 Good. 1968 01:22:26,243 --> 01:22:27,952 We can take it a step further if we want 1969 01:22:27,953 --> 01:22:29,787 in the befores and the afters. 1970 01:22:29,788 --> 01:22:31,413 Basically, you can take somebody 1971 01:22:31,414 --> 01:22:33,165 and make them a little fatter or shorter. 1972 01:22:33,166 --> 01:22:34,666 Are people falling for this? 1973 01:22:34,667 --> 01:22:36,585 They fall for it all the time. 1974 01:22:36,586 --> 01:22:39,337 And it's beyond what I can understand 1975 01:22:39,338 --> 01:22:41,339 because it looks so silly to me, 1976 01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:43,424 but of course I'm somebody who's had sort of an inside, 1977 01:22:43,425 --> 01:22:45,968 backstage pass to what's really occurred, 1978 01:22:45,969 --> 01:22:48,803 and I've been part of some of these scams that have played out. 1979 01:22:48,804 --> 01:22:50,931 CHRIS: So if unregulated dietary supplements 1980 01:22:50,932 --> 01:22:52,807 are marketed like steroids 1981 01:22:52,808 --> 01:22:55,352 and sold by people who are on steroids, 1982 01:22:55,353 --> 01:22:58,437 is it any wonder that so many people are just taking the real thing? 1983 01:22:58,438 --> 01:23:00,897 I mean, it's not like they're hard to get. 1984 01:23:00,898 --> 01:23:04,151 You can cross the border and buy them from a pet store in Mexico. 1985 01:23:04,152 --> 01:23:06,862 MAN: Testosterona, $15. 1986 01:23:06,863 --> 01:23:08,279 But it's for your dog, right? 1987 01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:09,989 Oh, it's for my dog. Yeah, I forgot. 1988 01:23:09,990 --> 01:23:12,283 Yeah yeah, my dog's anemic. 1989 01:23:12,284 --> 01:23:14,577 CHRIS: Or you can buy them on the internet like Mad Dog. 1990 01:23:14,578 --> 01:23:17,079 If you order online you can get the shit for $250 a kit 1991 01:23:17,080 --> 01:23:20,456 Instead of paying somebody on the black market $500 or $600 for a kit. 1992 01:23:20,457 --> 01:23:23,376 CHRIS: Or, if you have enough money, you can get it legally. 1993 01:23:23,377 --> 01:23:27,129 This is the annual convention for the anti-aging medicine- 1994 01:23:27,130 --> 01:23:30,758 Booth after booth of all the taboo performance-enhancing drugs. 1995 01:23:30,759 --> 01:23:34,011 Stanozolol- hey, that's what Ben Johnson used. 1996 01:23:34,012 --> 01:23:37,388 Nandrolone- isn't that what Shawne Merriman got caught with? 1997 01:23:37,389 --> 01:23:38,973 Oh, and human growth hormone- 1998 01:23:38,974 --> 01:23:41,142 They say Marion Jones was taking that. 1999 01:23:41,143 --> 01:23:43,269 Human growth hormone usage 2000 01:23:43,270 --> 01:23:45,396 has been rampant in baseball and other sports. 2001 01:23:45,397 --> 01:23:47,565 CHRIS: Athletes use H.G.H. because it works 2002 01:23:47,566 --> 01:23:50,276 A lot like anabolic steroids. And the best part is, 2003 01:23:50,277 --> 01:23:53,486 there's no way to test for it. Here's how you get it. 2004 01:23:53,487 --> 01:23:55,362 First you go to your anti-aging doctor. 2005 01:23:55,363 --> 01:23:57,990 Now the doctor might not be a medical doctor. 2006 01:23:57,991 --> 01:24:00,492 Like in my case- he's a chiropractor. 2007 01:24:00,493 --> 01:24:02,744 And chiropractors can't prescribe drugs, 2008 01:24:02,745 --> 01:24:05,121 but that's okay. He just has another doctor 2009 01:24:05,122 --> 01:24:07,040 write the prescriptions for him. 2010 01:24:07,041 --> 01:24:10,042 But be careful- prescribing hormones for anti-aging 2011 01:24:10,043 --> 01:24:13,922 is a felony. So you can't exactly tell your anti-aging doctor 2012 01:24:13,923 --> 01:24:15,923 that you're interested in anti-aging. 2013 01:24:15,924 --> 01:24:18,259 Not to worry, though- just use the words 2014 01:24:18,260 --> 01:24:20,427 "hormone deficiency" instead. 2015 01:24:20,428 --> 01:24:22,553 First thing, doc will want to do a little physical. 2016 01:24:22,554 --> 01:24:23,931 BOTH: Aagh. 2017 01:24:23,932 --> 01:24:25,557 ( dings ) 2018 01:24:25,558 --> 01:24:27,725 Do you have people come to you to try to get steroids? 2019 01:24:27,726 --> 01:24:29,894 Absolutely. But prescribing steroids- 2020 01:24:29,895 --> 01:24:32,396 That's not what we do, not at all. 2021 01:24:32,397 --> 01:24:35,023 Mm-hmm. But it kind of is what you do 2022 01:24:35,024 --> 01:24:36,942 in a way, in a different way. 2023 01:24:36,943 --> 01:24:38,985 CHRIS: Next you're gonna get a urine test 2024 01:24:38,986 --> 01:24:41,070 to check your hormone levels for 24 hours. 2025 01:24:41,071 --> 01:24:44,282 That's a take-home test- you know, scout's honor. 2026 01:24:44,283 --> 01:24:47,993 Send in the test and a week later go get your results. 2027 01:24:47,994 --> 01:24:50,120 DOCTOR: We got your labs back here- 2028 01:24:50,121 --> 01:24:52,455 Urinary growth hormone output. 2029 01:24:52,456 --> 01:24:54,541 CHRIS: But here's the thing- since the F.D.A. 2030 01:24:54,542 --> 01:24:57,126 has never defined what a hormone deficiency really is, 2031 01:24:57,127 --> 01:25:00,504 Well, doc can pretty much interpret the results however he wants. 2032 01:25:00,505 --> 01:25:02,423 You're a little bit low, coming down. 2033 01:25:02,424 --> 01:25:04,132 I'm gonna bring those levels up to optimal. 2034 01:25:04,133 --> 01:25:06,301 CHRIS: Now it may seem strange 2035 01:25:06,302 --> 01:25:08,219 that the most controversial drugs in America 2036 01:25:08,220 --> 01:25:10,054 are being prescribed using take-home tests, 2037 01:25:10,055 --> 01:25:13,265 and in my case by a doctor I never met, 2038 01:25:13,266 --> 01:25:15,726 but hey, at least I'm not the one breaking the law. 2039 01:25:15,727 --> 01:25:17,520 Why don't you just get it legally? 2040 01:25:17,521 --> 01:25:21,231 Um, I like getting it the way I get it. 2041 01:25:21,232 --> 01:25:23,108 It's cheap and I can get it 2042 01:25:23,109 --> 01:25:25,360 anytime I want. 2043 01:25:25,361 --> 01:25:28,279 And I don't think there's any real reason for me to- 2044 01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,072 I mean, I don't want to go to a doctor. 2045 01:25:30,073 --> 01:25:31,532 That's a pain in the ass. 2046 01:25:31,533 --> 01:25:33,367 You ever worry about getting arrested 2047 01:25:33,368 --> 01:25:35,244 or cops coming after you or anything like that? 2048 01:25:35,245 --> 01:25:37,204 I'm not all that concerned about it. 2049 01:25:37,205 --> 01:25:39,706 You can justify anything to yourself. 2050 01:25:39,707 --> 01:25:41,791 And once you've justified it to yourself 2051 01:25:41,792 --> 01:25:45,544 then you just think it's cool. You think it's okay. 2052 01:25:45,545 --> 01:25:47,504 So in my mind it's okay. 2053 01:25:47,505 --> 01:25:49,924 I pose the question to people, say, 2054 01:25:49,925 --> 01:25:54,469 "hey, if you had to take a drug 2055 01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:57,054 with the side effects- known side effects 2056 01:25:57,055 --> 01:25:59,640 and the unknown effects of the anabolic steroids 2057 01:25:59,641 --> 01:26:02,601 To keep your job right now 2058 01:26:02,602 --> 01:26:05,938 and support your family, would you do it?" 2059 01:26:05,939 --> 01:26:08,982 Maintaining an erection is very easy to do 2060 01:26:08,983 --> 01:26:11,568 with the appropriate chemical assistance. 2061 01:26:11,569 --> 01:26:14,946 Liquid Viagra injected into the penis. 2062 01:26:14,947 --> 01:26:16,572 You inject this in your penis? 2063 01:26:16,573 --> 01:26:18,032 Yep. 2064 01:26:18,033 --> 01:26:20,618 - Does it hurt? - Um, not really. 2065 01:26:20,619 --> 01:26:22,410 CHRIS: It's not just athletes and porn stars 2066 01:26:22,411 --> 01:26:24,120 Taking performance-enhancing drugs. 2067 01:26:24,121 --> 01:26:26,163 Just about everybody's in on the action. 2068 01:26:26,164 --> 01:26:28,999 Probably the most common thing is what we call go-pills. 2069 01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,627 There's probably different kinds, 2070 01:26:30,628 --> 01:26:32,586 but dextramphetamine is the big one. 2071 01:26:32,587 --> 01:26:34,839 They work wonders, they really do, especially if you've been 2072 01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:36,882 out there a long time and it's hard to stay focused. 2073 01:26:36,883 --> 01:26:38,633 What about you? 2074 01:26:38,634 --> 01:26:41,302 Yeah, they'll spin you right up. 2075 01:26:41,303 --> 01:26:43,722 Many parents may not be aware that their children 2076 01:26:43,723 --> 01:26:46,390 are taking a drug by the name of Adderall 2077 01:26:46,391 --> 01:26:49,060 to improve their academic performance. 2078 01:26:49,061 --> 01:26:51,728 Adderall is a powerful stimulant 2079 01:26:51,729 --> 01:26:54,273 very much like cocaine 2080 01:26:54,274 --> 01:26:55,856 or methamphetamine. 2081 01:26:55,857 --> 01:26:57,650 It's not just for people who have problems. 2082 01:26:57,651 --> 01:26:59,986 People who think completely fine- I've taken Adderall 2083 01:26:59,987 --> 01:27:02,030 in college here and there to write a paper. 2084 01:27:02,031 --> 01:27:03,781 And I said, "this is a fun way to write a paper. " 2085 01:27:03,782 --> 01:27:06,283 Your test scores go up and you're 2086 01:27:06,284 --> 01:27:09,078 doing homework faster, so you can do more work. 2087 01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:11,455 All I did when I went to class- my friends, should I talk to them? 2088 01:27:11,456 --> 01:27:13,081 Nope, hold on. And I'd be doing all my work. 2089 01:27:13,082 --> 01:27:14,874 CHRIS: And for every performance 2090 01:27:14,875 --> 01:27:17,293 there's a way to enhance it. 2091 01:27:17,294 --> 01:27:18,961 So you take beta-blockers to calm you down? 2092 01:27:18,962 --> 01:27:20,921 It actually doesn't calm me down. 2093 01:27:20,922 --> 01:27:22,881 It prevents me from getting nervous. 2094 01:27:22,882 --> 01:27:24,758 - Here we go. - WOMAN: I was in college 2095 01:27:24,759 --> 01:27:27,427 and I was having really really bad problems with performance anxiety 2096 01:27:27,428 --> 01:27:30,388 and it was actually making me question what I was doing in the first place. 2097 01:27:30,389 --> 01:27:33,432 A friend gave me beta-blockers and I just couldn't believe it. 2098 01:27:33,433 --> 01:27:37,853 I felt like I could get up there and do exactly what I wanted to do 2099 01:27:37,854 --> 01:27:41,648 and I wasn't hindered by what my body was reacting to. 2100 01:27:41,649 --> 01:27:44,191 ( applause ) 2101 01:27:44,192 --> 01:27:47,612 Blocking that adrenaline goes a long way 2102 01:27:47,613 --> 01:27:50,031 towards enhancing performance. 2103 01:27:50,032 --> 01:27:52,074 CHRIS: So it's okay to enhance your performance 2104 01:27:52,075 --> 01:27:54,660 if you're a pilot, a porn star, 2105 01:27:54,661 --> 01:27:56,786 a musician or a student, 2106 01:27:56,787 --> 01:27:59,080 but if your job is to play professional baseball, 2107 01:27:59,081 --> 01:28:01,415 well, somehow that makes you a cheater. 2108 01:28:04,085 --> 01:28:06,379 CHRIS: Do you feel it's cheating? 2109 01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:08,881 Not at all. Oh, no, certainly not. 2110 01:28:08,882 --> 01:28:11,049 MAN: There is no competition in music. 2111 01:28:11,050 --> 01:28:13,384 You know, this is completely unlike sports. 2112 01:28:13,385 --> 01:28:15,553 What about in an audition situation? 2113 01:28:15,554 --> 01:28:17,889 - Is there competition there? - Yeah, there is. 2114 01:28:17,890 --> 01:28:22,226 And, you know, a lot of people take 'em 2115 01:28:22,227 --> 01:28:24,603 and I don't see that there's a problem with it. 2116 01:28:24,604 --> 01:28:27,396 Was there any sort of moral bridge to cross when you did it? 2117 01:28:27,397 --> 01:28:28,690 Well, we're in the porn business. 2118 01:28:28,691 --> 01:28:30,609 There's not a whole lot of morals to begin with. 2119 01:28:30,610 --> 01:28:33,527 Amphetamines in baseball- they actually take the same pill 2120 01:28:33,528 --> 01:28:35,279 - As a go-pill. - Yeah, I've heard that. 2121 01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,573 In the clubhouse they're called greenies. 2122 01:28:37,574 --> 01:28:39,574 And some in the game say they could be 2123 01:28:39,575 --> 01:28:41,284 more common than steroids. 2124 01:28:41,285 --> 01:28:43,286 In sports you should play fair. 2125 01:28:43,287 --> 01:28:47,081 In war you shouldn't play fair at all. 2126 01:28:47,082 --> 01:28:49,167 PILOT: I've got some men on a road 2127 01:28:49,168 --> 01:28:51,919 And it looks like a piece of artillery firing at us. 2128 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,171 I am rolling in in self-defense. 2129 01:28:54,172 --> 01:28:55,631 Shaq! 2130 01:28:55,632 --> 01:28:58,341 CHRIS: In 2002 over Afghanistan 2131 01:28:58,342 --> 01:29:00,802 two American pilots on go-pills 2132 01:29:00,803 --> 01:29:02,929 bombed a group of friendly Canadians. 2133 01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:04,514 PILOT #2: I hope that was the right thing to do. 2134 01:29:04,515 --> 01:29:06,056 PILOT #1: ME too. 2135 01:29:06,057 --> 01:29:08,976 REPORTER: Four Canadian soldiers were killed. 2136 01:29:08,977 --> 01:29:11,853 Doctors say the pilots' snap judgment to open fire 2137 01:29:11,854 --> 01:29:14,314 Is typical of someone on speed. 2138 01:29:14,315 --> 01:29:16,482 CHRIS: The pilots were charged with manslaughter, 2139 01:29:16,483 --> 01:29:18,067 But they blamed their go-pills 2140 01:29:18,068 --> 01:29:20,069 and the charges were dropped. 2141 01:29:20,070 --> 01:29:21,862 No other country in the world 2142 01:29:21,863 --> 01:29:23,989 allows amphetamines in their Air Force, 2143 01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:26,491 But in America we require it. 2144 01:29:29,287 --> 01:29:32,163 TUTOR: You know, America is a very competitive place 2145 01:29:32,164 --> 01:29:34,623 and people will take advantage of really anything they can 2146 01:29:34,624 --> 01:29:36,625 in order to help themselves in that struggle. 2147 01:29:36,626 --> 01:29:38,627 I hate to say it, the amount of beta-blockers 2148 01:29:38,628 --> 01:29:40,962 that they've got me on right now- California traffic 2149 01:29:40,963 --> 01:29:43,464 - doesn't bother me anymore. - Really? 2150 01:29:43,465 --> 01:29:45,174 STUDENT: It's too easy to get it from a doctor. 2151 01:29:45,175 --> 01:29:46,884 You say, "I can't focus in class" 2152 01:29:46,885 --> 01:29:48,886 And the doctor prescribes it automatically. 2153 01:29:48,887 --> 01:29:51,305 And when you got Adderall you just went to the doctor? 2154 01:29:51,306 --> 01:29:54,349 No, it's just passed around at school. 2155 01:29:54,350 --> 01:29:56,309 - It's passed around at school? - Passed around at school. 2156 01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:58,228 You turn on your T.V. 2157 01:29:58,229 --> 01:30:00,771 And we push drugs, right? 2158 01:30:00,772 --> 01:30:02,857 If you have a headache- use this. 2159 01:30:02,858 --> 01:30:05,401 If you have a pain in your side- use that. 2160 01:30:05,402 --> 01:30:07,612 If you want to go to sleep- use this. 2161 01:30:07,613 --> 01:30:09,113 If you want to wake up- use that. 2162 01:30:09,114 --> 01:30:11,573 We are the only country in the world 2163 01:30:11,574 --> 01:30:14,910 that permits drugs of that kind 2164 01:30:14,911 --> 01:30:17,871 to be advertised directly to the consumer. 2165 01:30:17,872 --> 01:30:20,123 CHRIS: The American pharmaceutical industry 2166 01:30:20,124 --> 01:30:22,541 spends almost $5 billion a year on advertising. 2167 01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:26,920 And we in turn spend $250 billion on their drugs. 2168 01:30:26,921 --> 01:30:29,547 That's more than any other country by far. 2169 01:30:29,548 --> 01:30:32,175 Are we the most unhealthy people in the world 2170 01:30:32,176 --> 01:30:34,176 Or do we just watch too much T.V.? 2171 01:30:35,930 --> 01:30:38,681 Everybody's on a drug. So why because I'm on a drug 2172 01:30:38,682 --> 01:30:40,724 does everybody have to point a finger at me? 2173 01:30:40,725 --> 01:30:42,934 - Why am I the bad guy? - 'Cause you're on steroids. 2174 01:30:42,935 --> 01:30:47,564 And steroids are bad. ( laughs ) 2175 01:30:47,565 --> 01:30:49,898 ( applause ) 2176 01:30:49,899 --> 01:30:51,817 To help children make right choices 2177 01:30:51,818 --> 01:30:54,612 they need good examples. 2178 01:30:54,613 --> 01:30:59,115 Athletics play such an important role in our society, 2179 01:30:59,116 --> 01:31:01,743 but unfortunately, some in professional sports 2180 01:31:01,744 --> 01:31:03,869 are not setting much of an example. 2181 01:31:03,870 --> 01:31:06,330 CHRIS: Long before George Bush was the President 2182 01:31:06,331 --> 01:31:09,375 he was the owner of the Texas Rangers, a major league baseball team 2183 01:31:09,376 --> 01:31:12,670 With none other than Jose Canseco on the roster. 2184 01:31:12,671 --> 01:31:15,713 SENATOR WAXMAN: Do you think that the team trainers, 2185 01:31:15,714 --> 01:31:18,966 The managers, the general managers and even the owners 2186 01:31:18,967 --> 01:31:21,094 might have been aware 2187 01:31:21,095 --> 01:31:23,387 that some players were using steroids? 2188 01:31:23,388 --> 01:31:26,807 No doubt in my mind. Absolutely. 2189 01:31:26,808 --> 01:31:28,767 CHRIS: So did the President know 2190 01:31:28,768 --> 01:31:31,144 that his players were on the juice? 2191 01:31:31,145 --> 01:31:33,437 You've admitted to using steroids in the past. 2192 01:31:33,438 --> 01:31:36,107 Knowing what you know now about them, 2193 01:31:36,108 --> 01:31:38,692 - would you have done it? - Yeah, absolutely. 2194 01:31:38,693 --> 01:31:40,528 The National Football League has talked more 2195 01:31:40,529 --> 01:31:42,488 about steroid testing or human growth hormone. 2196 01:31:42,489 --> 01:31:43,905 And I know back in your day 2197 01:31:43,906 --> 01:31:45,615 you've admitted that you did that. 2198 01:31:45,616 --> 01:31:47,658 Your stand on that right now? 2199 01:31:47,659 --> 01:31:50,619 I think it's good to do doping tests 2200 01:31:50,620 --> 01:31:52,621 and the trick obviously to find a way 2201 01:31:52,622 --> 01:31:54,164 of really doing true testing. 2202 01:31:54,165 --> 01:31:56,875 I think that we have to do something 2203 01:31:56,876 --> 01:31:59,043 about the drug use in sports. 2204 01:31:59,044 --> 01:32:03,423 And I think it does send the wrong message to our children. 2205 01:32:03,424 --> 01:32:06,509 CHRIS: So Arnold wants to crack down on steroids, 2206 01:32:06,510 --> 01:32:08,927 but every year he sponsors his own bodybuilding show, 2207 01:32:08,928 --> 01:32:10,679 The Arnold Classic. 2208 01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,181 And they don't drug-test at all. 2209 01:32:12,182 --> 01:32:14,349 Isn't it unbelievable, the shape these guys are in, 2210 01:32:14,350 --> 01:32:16,143 I mean, how ripped they are, how bid they are, 2211 01:32:16,144 --> 01:32:18,979 how cut they are, their posing routine and everything? 2212 01:32:18,980 --> 01:32:21,397 I'm so proud of them. I tell you, it is really amazing. 2213 01:32:21,398 --> 01:32:23,273 CHRIS: This year Governor Schwarzenegger 2214 01:32:23,274 --> 01:32:25,693 handed over the winning trophy to Victor Martinez, 2215 01:32:25,694 --> 01:32:27,903 a guy who was busted for selling steroids 2216 01:32:27,904 --> 01:32:29,487 just a couple of years ago. 2217 01:32:29,488 --> 01:32:31,490 And a few days before this competition 2218 01:32:31,491 --> 01:32:34,742 he was implicated in another steroid scandal. 2219 01:32:34,743 --> 01:32:36,660 The bodybuilder who won a competition 2220 01:32:36,661 --> 01:32:39,246 sponsored by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger this past weekend 2221 01:32:39,247 --> 01:32:41,331 has been linked to a steroid investigation. 2222 01:32:41,332 --> 01:32:43,876 A spokesman for the Governor says Schwarzenegger did not know 2223 01:32:43,877 --> 01:32:46,127 of Martinez's links to steroids. 2224 01:32:46,128 --> 01:32:49,005 CHRIS: Come on, Arnold, what do you mean you didn't know? 2225 01:32:49,006 --> 01:32:50,881 Okay, let's compare. 2226 01:32:50,882 --> 01:32:53,592 Here's Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was on steroids- 2227 01:32:53,593 --> 01:32:57,471 6'2", 235 Ibs. 2228 01:32:57,472 --> 01:32:59,555 And here's Victor Martinez, 2229 01:32:59,556 --> 01:33:02,768 seven inches shorter and 15 Ibs heavier. 2230 01:33:02,769 --> 01:33:05,145 Give him a big hand, come on, a big hand. 2231 01:33:05,146 --> 01:33:07,062 CHRIS: You know, I've been calling Arnold's office 2232 01:33:07,063 --> 01:33:08,773 For over a year to get an interview, 2233 01:33:08,774 --> 01:33:10,858 but his people keep telling me 2234 01:33:10,859 --> 01:33:13,151 that his position on steroids is very clear. 2235 01:33:13,152 --> 01:33:14,986 So the only way to get an answer 2236 01:33:14,987 --> 01:33:16,821 was to track him down myself 2237 01:33:16,822 --> 01:33:18,698 at a place I knew he would show up- 2238 01:33:18,699 --> 01:33:20,658 Muscle Beach. 2239 01:33:20,659 --> 01:33:23,703 It was just a few weeks before the Governor's reelection 2240 01:33:23,704 --> 01:33:26,664 And Arnold went to where he knew he could depend on support 2241 01:33:26,665 --> 01:33:28,665 to cement his voting base. 2242 01:33:28,666 --> 01:33:31,752 This was my big chance. I waited for hours. 2243 01:33:31,753 --> 01:33:34,212 And finally there he was. 2244 01:33:34,213 --> 01:33:36,255 And there was this other guy, 2245 01:33:36,256 --> 01:33:38,882 the tall guy, the one in the middle. He saw me. 2246 01:33:38,883 --> 01:33:41,510 This is how politics work these days. 2247 01:33:41,511 --> 01:33:44,304 The important thing when making an appearance is the photo op. 2248 01:33:44,305 --> 01:33:46,389 The tall guy's gonna nod at me. 2249 01:33:46,390 --> 01:33:48,475 Then he's gonna point Arnold in my direction. 2250 01:33:48,476 --> 01:33:52,186 Arnold, his instincts honed by years of being a huge star, 2251 01:33:52,187 --> 01:33:55,064 instantly sizes up the situation, 2252 01:33:55,065 --> 01:33:56,940 notices the various cameras 2253 01:33:56,941 --> 01:33:59,651 and decides to use me to further his reelection bid. 2254 01:33:59,652 --> 01:34:03,280 Look at those arms. Look at those arms. 2255 01:34:03,281 --> 01:34:05,698 CHRIS: And instead of talking about steroids 2256 01:34:05,699 --> 01:34:07,449 and the cheating culture of America, 2257 01:34:07,450 --> 01:34:09,451 he compliments me on my biceps 2258 01:34:09,452 --> 01:34:11,411 and we end up on the cover of the L.A. "Times. " 2259 01:34:11,412 --> 01:34:13,330 There he is. Oh my God. 2260 01:34:13,331 --> 01:34:15,082 CHRIS: Not that I mind. 2261 01:34:15,083 --> 01:34:17,208 After all, it was kind of like a dream come true. 2262 01:34:17,209 --> 01:34:19,585 Son of a bitch. 2263 01:34:19,586 --> 01:34:23,381 CHRIS: But I still have all these unanswered questions. 2264 01:34:23,382 --> 01:34:25,174 SHELDON: Let me tell you this, first of all- 2265 01:34:25,175 --> 01:34:28,677 You can't knock Arnold really, okay? 2266 01:34:28,678 --> 01:34:31,805 Because the steroids didn't get him into that office that he's in. 2267 01:34:31,806 --> 01:34:33,681 But he basically comes out and he says, 2268 01:34:33,682 --> 01:34:36,392 "if you work hard and you play by the rules 2269 01:34:36,393 --> 01:34:38,520 this country is truly open to you. 2270 01:34:38,521 --> 01:34:40,938 You can achieve anything. " but did he get to where he is 2271 01:34:40,939 --> 01:34:44,065 playing by the rules? Or would he have ever even been famous 2272 01:34:44,066 --> 01:34:45,901 had he not taken those drugs? 2273 01:34:45,902 --> 01:34:47,777 Well, let's look at it this way- 2274 01:34:47,778 --> 01:34:49,905 Let's talk about other heroes. 2275 01:34:49,906 --> 01:34:53,240 Let's talk about John Kennedy. He was a hero in the Navy. 2276 01:34:53,241 --> 01:34:56,494 John Kennedy served as the President of the United States. 2277 01:34:56,495 --> 01:35:00,122 But John Kennedy cheated on his wife right in the White House 2278 01:35:00,123 --> 01:35:03,417 with Marilyn Monroe and who knows how many others, okay? 2279 01:35:03,418 --> 01:35:05,710 It's no different than biblical characters. 2280 01:35:05,711 --> 01:35:08,962 Moses was a hero but Moses was a heel. 2281 01:35:08,963 --> 01:35:10,756 He didn't get into the Promised Land. 2282 01:35:10,757 --> 01:35:12,841 He didn't do what God told him to do. 2283 01:35:12,842 --> 01:35:16,553 David was a hero- King David was a hero, 2284 01:35:16,554 --> 01:35:19,223 But David was a heel. He chased every woman 2285 01:35:19,224 --> 01:35:21,182 in a skirt, or in a toga, 2286 01:35:21,183 --> 01:35:22,683 or whatever they wore back then. 2287 01:35:22,684 --> 01:35:25,227 Every man is fallible 2288 01:35:25,228 --> 01:35:27,354 and even the people 2289 01:35:27,355 --> 01:35:29,564 who were the prime examples 2290 01:35:29,565 --> 01:35:31,566 of how to run your life in the bible 2291 01:35:31,567 --> 01:35:34,402 screwed up. They all screwed up. 2292 01:35:34,403 --> 01:35:36,863 So people need to get off their 2293 01:35:36,864 --> 01:35:39,949 self-righteous soapboxes 2294 01:35:39,950 --> 01:35:41,784 and start loving each other. 2295 01:35:41,785 --> 01:35:44,161 We just need to go out there and do our jobs, 2296 01:35:44,162 --> 01:35:47,581 just as you professionals do your job. 2297 01:35:47,582 --> 01:35:50,124 All of you guys lied. 2298 01:35:50,125 --> 01:35:52,127 All of y'all 2299 01:35:52,128 --> 01:35:54,254 in a story or whatever have lied. 2300 01:35:54,255 --> 01:35:57,047 Should you have an asterisk behind your name? 2301 01:35:57,048 --> 01:35:59,049 All of you have lied. 2302 01:35:59,050 --> 01:36:01,051 All of you have said something wrong. 2303 01:36:01,052 --> 01:36:03,970 All of you have dirt, all of you. 2304 01:36:03,971 --> 01:36:05,972 When your closet's clean 2305 01:36:05,973 --> 01:36:07,974 then come clean somebody else's. 2306 01:36:07,975 --> 01:36:10,351 But clean yours first. 2307 01:36:10,352 --> 01:36:12,394 CHRIS: Hi. How are you? 2308 01:36:12,395 --> 01:36:14,438 The last name is Bell, B- E-L-L. 2309 01:36:16,566 --> 01:36:19,150 SCHWARZENEGGER: I took the oath to serve you. 2310 01:36:19,151 --> 01:36:23,571 I say to everyone here today and to all Californians, 2311 01:36:23,572 --> 01:36:25,865 I will not forget my oath 2312 01:36:25,866 --> 01:36:27,741 And I will not forget you. 2313 01:36:27,742 --> 01:36:29,701 ( applause and cheering ) 2314 01:36:32,663 --> 01:36:35,332 CHRIS: A few months after I voted for Arnold 2315 01:36:35,333 --> 01:36:37,375 his people told Gold's Gym 2316 01:36:37,376 --> 01:36:39,460 to remove all of his images. 2317 01:36:48,386 --> 01:36:50,970 What is the meaning of this? 2318 01:36:50,971 --> 01:36:53,556 It's a dark day in Gold's Gym. 2319 01:36:53,557 --> 01:36:55,892 They're taking down Arnold's poster. 2320 01:36:55,893 --> 01:36:58,143 Do you have a lot of respect for Arnold? Is he one of your heroes? 2321 01:36:58,144 --> 01:37:00,688 Well, he was until he took his shit down. 2322 01:37:00,689 --> 01:37:02,689 You know, that guy's a traitor, man. 2323 01:37:07,569 --> 01:37:09,779 CHRIS: The gym feels different now. 2324 01:37:09,780 --> 01:37:11,780 The old Arnold's gone 2325 01:37:11,781 --> 01:37:13,783 and somehow this time 2326 01:37:13,784 --> 01:37:16,033 I don't think he'll be back. 2327 01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:21,832 So you're excited to be out here instead of in Poughkeepsie? 2328 01:37:21,833 --> 01:37:23,624 Hell yeah, man. I got a job making 2329 01:37:23,625 --> 01:37:25,418 three times as much money and my rent's just about the same 2330 01:37:25,419 --> 01:37:27,127 and I'm right by the beach and I got a convertible. 2331 01:37:27,128 --> 01:37:29,838 Right here next to the mirror, honey. 2332 01:37:29,839 --> 01:37:31,131 MIKE: Put a little muscle in it. 2333 01:37:31,132 --> 01:37:33,967 - CHRIS: Here you go. - Higher. 2334 01:37:33,968 --> 01:37:36,636 So what do you plan on doing here that you weren't doing in Poughkeepsie? 2335 01:37:36,637 --> 01:37:38,971 Jeez, like having fun with life instead of hating life. 2336 01:37:38,972 --> 01:37:42,141 Think it'll help you with your problems and stuff? 2337 01:37:42,142 --> 01:37:44,018 Absolutely. I feel better already. 2338 01:37:44,019 --> 01:37:46,019 CHRIS: Now that Mad Dog's in California, 2339 01:37:46,020 --> 01:37:48,939 Things seem to be going pretty good for him. 2340 01:37:48,940 --> 01:37:51,733 He got a job working as a trainer at a local wrestling school. 2341 01:37:51,734 --> 01:37:53,734 Got you! Now if I want to take it here- 2342 01:37:53,735 --> 01:37:55,487 Keep your face up, keep your face up. 2343 01:37:55,488 --> 01:37:57,905 CHRIS: He'd actually make a great teacher, 2344 01:37:57,906 --> 01:37:59,824 but that's not good enough for Mad Dog. 2345 01:37:59,825 --> 01:38:02,284 He still wants to be a superstar. 2346 01:38:02,285 --> 01:38:05,496 MIKE: So this Sunday night, pay per view, Madison Square Garden! 2347 01:38:05,497 --> 01:38:08,831 Hell's Henrys will toll for you. 2348 01:38:10,917 --> 01:38:14,628 Just not- I'm sick, though, dude. 2349 01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:17,172 CHRIS: Mad Dog sent his promo to the W.W.E., 2350 01:38:17,173 --> 01:38:19,883 but they rejected him again. 2351 01:38:19,884 --> 01:38:22,010 They said he's too old 2352 01:38:22,011 --> 01:38:24,095 and not what they're looking for right now. 2353 01:38:24,096 --> 01:38:26,556 MIKE: You know, I want to believe that the world is good, 2354 01:38:26,557 --> 01:38:29,725 but it's not. And I want to try hard, 2355 01:38:29,726 --> 01:38:31,352 but why try when you can't win? 2356 01:38:31,353 --> 01:38:33,436 Those who can't do, train. 2357 01:38:33,437 --> 01:38:36,147 It's just I never understood why I didn't, 2358 01:38:36,148 --> 01:38:38,066 you know? 2359 01:38:38,067 --> 01:38:40,902 What's the problem with just being a normal guy? 2360 01:38:40,903 --> 01:38:42,570 What's wrong with just being normal? 2361 01:38:42,571 --> 01:38:44,696 There's nothing wrong with it. 2362 01:38:44,697 --> 01:38:46,699 Well, actually, there is something wrong with it. 2363 01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:48,492 the thing that's wrong with it is 2364 01:38:48,493 --> 01:38:50,577 that I was born to attain greatness and I'm the only one 2365 01:38:50,578 --> 01:38:53,704 that's holding myself back. And I need to attain greatness. I need to do it. 2366 01:38:53,705 --> 01:38:56,165 You live down by the beach, you have a beautiful wife, 2367 01:38:56,166 --> 01:38:57,834 and nothing's ever good enough. 2368 01:38:57,835 --> 01:39:00,502 I can only imagine how she feels. 2369 01:39:00,503 --> 01:39:03,463 And do you ever think, 2370 01:39:03,464 --> 01:39:06,549 "why am I dragging somebody else in this?" 2371 01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:09,969 I know that a lot of times she's crying herself to sleep. 2372 01:39:09,970 --> 01:39:13,764 And I know that sometimes she doesn't glow 2373 01:39:13,765 --> 01:39:16,099 the way that she did when I first met her. 2374 01:39:16,100 --> 01:39:18,519 And I know it's my fault. 2375 01:39:18,520 --> 01:39:20,354 And it really tears me up. 2376 01:39:20,355 --> 01:39:22,021 Yeah. Well, I mean, 2377 01:39:22,022 --> 01:39:24,065 I worry every day that- 2378 01:39:24,066 --> 01:39:26,317 What I worry about is you're gonna lose your job, 2379 01:39:26,318 --> 01:39:29,320 You're gonna lose your wife and then you're gonna lose yourself. 2380 01:39:29,321 --> 01:39:31,780 If I lose my job and my wife, what else do I have? 2381 01:39:34,242 --> 01:39:36,368 I just feel 2382 01:39:36,369 --> 01:39:38,870 that I have more to offer this world. 2383 01:39:38,871 --> 01:39:41,914 And I don't know exactly what it is 2384 01:39:41,915 --> 01:39:44,287 or how I'm gonna go about doing it. 2385 01:39:44,288 --> 01:39:46,592 I know there's something in here 2386 01:39:46,593 --> 01:39:49,843 That's meant for the rest of the world to know. 2387 01:39:54,307 --> 01:39:57,683 When you were kids 2388 01:39:57,684 --> 01:39:59,809 you all admired 2389 01:39:59,810 --> 01:40:02,186 the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, 2390 01:40:02,187 --> 01:40:06,313 big league ballplayers, the toughest boxers. 2391 01:40:06,314 --> 01:40:09,108 Americans love a winner 2392 01:40:09,109 --> 01:40:11,651 and will not tolerate a loser. 2393 01:40:20,450 --> 01:40:22,450 CHRIS: Smelly is now competing 2394 01:40:22,451 --> 01:40:24,577 against the best guys in the world 2395 01:40:24,578 --> 01:40:26,745 and he hopes to achieve his childhood dream 2396 01:40:26,746 --> 01:40:28,622 of bench-pressing 700 Ibs. 2397 01:40:28,623 --> 01:40:31,081 But he and his wife agreed 2398 01:40:31,082 --> 01:40:34,668 that this would be his last meet on steroids. 2399 01:40:34,669 --> 01:40:37,419 I knew that she didn't really care for it, 2400 01:40:37,420 --> 01:40:39,504 but i didn't know it hurt her that much. 2401 01:40:39,505 --> 01:40:42,382 And I didn't know she worried that much about it. 2402 01:40:42,383 --> 01:40:44,758 It's definitely something that's not gonna be easy to do. 2403 01:40:44,759 --> 01:40:47,052 I don't necessarily want to do it, but, you know, 2404 01:40:47,053 --> 01:40:48,927 if I just stay on it and ignore her, 2405 01:40:48,928 --> 01:40:50,512 that's just being selfish. 2406 01:40:50,513 --> 01:40:52,764 He's trying to have another kid, so he decided 2407 01:40:52,765 --> 01:40:54,766 that this is gonna be his last meet 2408 01:40:54,767 --> 01:40:56,891 that he ever takes anything. 2409 01:40:56,892 --> 01:40:59,852 How do you think that'll affect his lifting? 2410 01:40:59,853 --> 01:41:01,937 It'll affect it somewhat, 2411 01:41:01,938 --> 01:41:04,564 but once he tapers off and has the child 2412 01:41:04,565 --> 01:41:06,398 he can go right back on them. 2413 01:41:06,399 --> 01:41:08,650 But he doesn't want to go back on them. His wife doesn't want him 2414 01:41:08,651 --> 01:41:10,901 to be on it at all ever again. 2415 01:41:13,737 --> 01:41:15,738 The death of Smelly. 2416 01:41:15,739 --> 01:41:17,740 You think so? 2417 01:41:17,741 --> 01:41:19,491 Smelly will go back on. 2418 01:41:19,492 --> 01:41:21,951 So you'll never take it again? 2419 01:41:21,952 --> 01:41:23,743 - I'll never take 'em again? - Yeah. 2420 01:41:23,744 --> 01:41:25,453 No, I probably will take 'em again 2421 01:41:25,454 --> 01:41:27,913 - because this is something- - How? 2422 01:41:27,914 --> 01:41:30,165 Well, I'll figure out a way. 2423 01:41:30,166 --> 01:41:32,667 I mean, that's something I'll have to talk out with Andee, 2424 01:41:32,668 --> 01:41:34,501 but this is something I've been- 2425 01:41:34,502 --> 01:41:37,044 I've been involved in power lifting since I was 12 years old. 2426 01:41:37,045 --> 01:41:38,963 This is part of what I like to do. 2427 01:41:38,964 --> 01:41:41,507 And I'm not gonna go 2428 01:41:41,508 --> 01:41:43,758 from squatting 800 Ibs to squatting 700 Ibs. 2429 01:41:43,759 --> 01:41:46,093 I'm gonna want to get back on 'em for sure. 2430 01:41:46,094 --> 01:41:48,429 Which is kind of sad 'cause- 2431 01:41:48,430 --> 01:41:50,554 Well, you know, a lot of people have to lie to get ahead. 2432 01:41:50,555 --> 01:41:53,973 That's just kind of the way things work. 2433 01:41:53,974 --> 01:41:57,225 Well, we weren't brought up as cheaters. 2434 01:41:58,937 --> 01:42:01,104 Well, I mean, people aren't brought up 2435 01:42:01,105 --> 01:42:03,898 to rob a bank either. You're not really trained to rob a bank 2436 01:42:03,899 --> 01:42:06,357 or you're not really trained to do drugs 2437 01:42:06,358 --> 01:42:08,400 or taught to do drugs or anything like that, 2438 01:42:08,401 --> 01:42:10,568 but just, you know, it's kind of the way you end up. 2439 01:42:12,946 --> 01:42:14,446 Yeah! Come on! 2440 01:42:14,447 --> 01:42:16,782 - MAN: Let's go, mark! - MAN #2: Go mark! 2441 01:42:16,783 --> 01:42:18,825 - ( all cheering ) - MAN: Let's go, Mark. Come on! 2442 01:42:18,826 --> 01:42:20,993 - Come on! - Go Mark! 2443 01:42:20,994 --> 01:42:23,495 ( people continue cheering ) 2444 01:42:23,496 --> 01:42:25,746 Go Mark! Let's go, Mark! 2445 01:42:25,747 --> 01:42:28,290 Come on, you got this. 2446 01:42:28,291 --> 01:42:30,541 Come on, you got it! Let's go, come on! 2447 01:42:30,542 --> 01:42:32,917 ( all cheering ) 2448 01:42:37,880 --> 01:42:39,547 - Yeah! Yeah! - Yes! Yes! 2449 01:42:39,548 --> 01:42:42,883 ( cheering ) 2450 01:42:45,928 --> 01:42:48,012 CHRIS: My baby brother is on steroids 2451 01:42:48,013 --> 01:42:50,181 and we all know it. 2452 01:42:50,182 --> 01:42:53,141 But look at us. My dad looks like he won the lottery. 2453 01:42:53,142 --> 01:42:56,351 And my mom's prayers have been answered. 2454 01:42:56,352 --> 01:42:59,270 I was raised to believe that cheaters never prosper, 2455 01:42:59,271 --> 01:43:03,064 but in America it seems like cheaters always prosper. 2456 01:43:05,067 --> 01:43:09,151 The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids 2457 01:43:09,152 --> 01:43:11,987 is dangerous and it sends the wrong message 2458 01:43:11,988 --> 01:43:15,406 that there are shortcuts to accomplishment 2459 01:43:15,407 --> 01:43:19,242 And that performance is more important than character. 2460 01:43:19,243 --> 01:43:21,369 CHRIS: There is a clash in America 2461 01:43:21,370 --> 01:43:23,830 Between doing the right thing and being the best. 2462 01:43:23,831 --> 01:43:26,248 Americans play to win all the time 2463 01:43:26,249 --> 01:43:28,958 because the very thought of losing 2464 01:43:28,959 --> 01:43:31,542 is hateful to Americans. 2465 01:43:31,543 --> 01:43:35,170 COMMENTATOR: It is out of here! 2466 01:43:35,171 --> 01:43:39,090 756! 2467 01:43:39,091 --> 01:43:41,216 Bonds stands alone! 2468 01:43:41,217 --> 01:43:43,176 CHRIS: In a culture where second place 2469 01:43:43,177 --> 01:43:45,511 Is the first loser, 2470 01:43:45,512 --> 01:43:48,972 the real heroes are the ones who win at all costs. 2471 01:43:48,973 --> 01:43:51,515 Everything I have- my career, 2472 01:43:51,516 --> 01:43:53,892 my success, my family- 2473 01:43:53,893 --> 01:43:56,226 I owe to America. 2474 01:43:59,271 --> 01:44:01,314 CHRIS: This is America. 2475 01:44:01,315 --> 01:44:04,190 We're the greatest country in the world. 2476 01:44:04,191 --> 01:44:07,193 You could call us a nation on steroids. 2477 01:44:07,194 --> 01:44:09,861 But what are those long-term side effects? 2478 01:44:09,862 --> 01:44:11,863 For me and my brothers 2479 01:44:11,864 --> 01:44:14,698 steroids are not the problem. 2480 01:44:14,699 --> 01:44:16,908 They're just another side effect 2481 01:44:16,909 --> 01:44:19,035 of being American. 2482 01:44:21,996 --> 01:44:26,499 � oh, superman, where are you now? � 2483 01:44:26,500 --> 01:44:30,668 � when everything's gone wrong somehow � 2484 01:44:30,669 --> 01:44:34,671 � the men of steel, these men of power � 2485 01:44:34,672 --> 01:44:38,215 � are losing control by the hour � 2486 01:44:38,216 --> 01:44:40,383 � and this is the time � 2487 01:44:40,384 --> 01:44:42,427 � this is the place � 2488 01:44:42,428 --> 01:44:45,428 � so we look to the future � 2489 01:44:45,429 --> 01:44:49,431 � but there's not much left to go around � 2490 01:44:49,432 --> 01:44:53,226 � tell me why this is a land of confusion � 2491 01:44:53,227 --> 01:44:56,061 � ha ha ha ha � 2492 01:44:56,062 --> 01:45:00,481 � this is the world we live in � 2493 01:45:00,482 --> 01:45:04,150 � and these are the hands we're given � 2494 01:45:04,151 --> 01:45:08,361 � use them and let's start trying � 2495 01:45:08,362 --> 01:45:09,737 � to make it � 2496 01:45:09,738 --> 01:45:11,822 � a place worth living � 2497 01:45:11,823 --> 01:45:13,990 � yeah � 2498 01:45:18,787 --> 01:45:21,411 � I remember long ago � 2499 01:45:23,289 --> 01:45:26,374 � where the sun was shining � 2500 01:45:27,918 --> 01:45:29,125 � and all the stars � 2501 01:45:29,126 --> 01:45:30,794 � were bright � 2502 01:45:30,795 --> 01:45:32,503 � all through the night � 2503 01:45:32,504 --> 01:45:35,214 � in the wake of this madness � 2504 01:45:35,215 --> 01:45:37,715 � as I held you tight � 2505 01:45:39,968 --> 01:45:42,635 � so long ago � 2506 01:45:53,186 --> 01:45:55,436 � there's too many men � 2507 01:45:55,437 --> 01:45:57,187 � too many people � 2508 01:45:57,188 --> 01:46:00,231 � making too many problems � 2509 01:46:00,232 --> 01:46:02,316 � and there's not much left � 2510 01:46:02,317 --> 01:46:04,443 � to go around � 2511 01:46:04,444 --> 01:46:06,068 � can't you see this is � 2512 01:46:06,069 --> 01:46:08,613 � a land of confusion? � 2513 01:46:08,614 --> 01:46:10,864 � ha ha ha ha � 2514 01:46:10,865 --> 01:46:12,365 � now this is � 2515 01:46:12,366 --> 01:46:15,408 � the world we live in � 2516 01:46:15,409 --> 01:46:16,702 � and these are � 2517 01:46:16,703 --> 01:46:19,370 � the hands we're given � 2518 01:46:19,371 --> 01:46:20,872 � stand up � 2519 01:46:20,873 --> 01:46:23,914 � and let's start showing � 2520 01:46:23,915 --> 01:46:27,125 � just where our lives are going to � 2521 01:46:29,420 --> 01:46:31,587 � ha ha ha ha. � 212439

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