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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:27,070 --> 00:00:28,202 [suspense music] 2 00:00:31,466 --> 00:00:32,597 [phone dialling] 3 00:00:33,642 --> 00:00:35,383 [woman] 911, what is your emergency? 4 00:00:36,079 --> 00:00:38,864 [man over radio] Ask them to help us get a National Guard unit. 5 00:00:39,474 --> 00:00:41,867 [indistinct radio chatter] 6 00:00:41,911 --> 00:00:43,956 [man over radio] Maybe with a helicopter to us. 7 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,002 Let's get over to Granby Town Hall! 8 00:00:46,568 --> 00:00:49,875 We need a National Guard unit and a helicopter. 9 00:00:49,919 --> 00:00:54,967 -...through the trees, he's going up towards the fire hole. -Get him blocked. Stop him! 10 00:00:55,011 --> 00:00:57,970 ...or Army National Guard, need a whole lot of people... 11 00:00:58,014 --> 00:01:00,321 -[crash] -[man] Oh, no! 12 00:01:14,596 --> 00:01:17,816 [Marv] Hello, my name is Marvin Heemeyer. 13 00:01:18,643 --> 00:01:23,126 Today is April 13th, 2004. 14 00:01:23,170 --> 00:01:28,436 This tape is about my life since I came up here in 1991. 15 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,221 I am making this tape-- 16 00:01:33,267 --> 00:01:34,659 really didn't think it would make any difference if I didn't make it, 17 00:01:34,703 --> 00:01:36,183 but a good friend of mine said I should make it. 18 00:01:37,053 --> 00:01:39,403 Uh, he said I should sit down in front of a videotape machine 19 00:01:39,447 --> 00:01:42,145 and do it, but you're just gonna have to take my word, 20 00:01:42,189 --> 00:01:46,628 this is Marv Heemeyer, serial number 503-68-9471. 21 00:01:46,671 --> 00:01:51,285 I wanna say right now, God bless me in advance 22 00:01:51,328 --> 00:01:54,549 for the task that I am about to undertake. 23 00:01:58,553 --> 00:02:01,947 Marv Heemeyer, he was from South Dakota 24 00:02:01,991 --> 00:02:04,428 and, uh, he served in the Air Force. 25 00:02:05,255 --> 00:02:08,650 He realized that he had a knack for welding, 26 00:02:08,693 --> 00:02:12,393 working on engines, and motors. He was stationed in Colorado 27 00:02:12,436 --> 00:02:15,309 and decided to stay in Colorado when he got out of the Air Force. 28 00:02:16,658 --> 00:02:19,400 [Marv] I moved up here in the Fall in 1991 29 00:02:19,443 --> 00:02:21,837 to kind of take a six-month vacation. 30 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,056 I decided that, you know, I probably ought to buy 31 00:02:24,100 --> 00:02:26,015 some property up here to have something to do, 32 00:02:26,058 --> 00:02:29,758 so I, uh, looked at this tree lot, 33 00:02:29,801 --> 00:02:32,152 with two little cabins, where I'm living in here right now. 34 00:02:32,195 --> 00:02:35,155 And had a beautiful view. The place was really cheap, 35 00:02:35,198 --> 00:02:36,286 so I bought them. 36 00:02:37,331 --> 00:02:39,071 [Brower] He worked at a muffler shop. 37 00:02:39,115 --> 00:02:41,335 Moved up very quickly in the business. 38 00:02:41,378 --> 00:02:44,164 At some point he just decided, "Heck, I can do this myself," 39 00:02:44,860 --> 00:02:48,037 and he went out and setup his own muffler shops. 40 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,648 He was able to have income from businesses that 41 00:02:50,692 --> 00:02:53,695 he had started mostly in Northern Denver and Boulder area. 42 00:02:54,565 --> 00:02:57,525 [Marv] You know, if you got a champagne income with a beer keg, 43 00:02:58,308 --> 00:03:01,093 you're gonna do well. And that's what I've always had. 44 00:03:01,137 --> 00:03:03,183 Always believed that's the way it should be. 45 00:03:03,226 --> 00:03:04,793 That's the only way I could get ahead. 46 00:03:06,621 --> 00:03:09,276 I'm sure he counted pennies in every endeavor he ever undertook, 47 00:03:09,319 --> 00:03:12,496 and he wanted to run businesses well so that they succeeded. 48 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:13,976 And I think he cared about his craft. 49 00:03:14,542 --> 00:03:16,500 [Trainor] I knew of Marv Heemeyer 50 00:03:16,544 --> 00:03:18,807 because he ran a muffler shop in Granby. 51 00:03:18,850 --> 00:03:20,983 He did a lot of great work for people, 52 00:03:21,026 --> 00:03:23,420 ran that muffler shop for a lot of years. 53 00:03:23,464 --> 00:03:26,423 Uh, I even had work done at his shop. 54 00:03:26,467 --> 00:03:30,166 He had a reputation as being the best welder around. 55 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:33,038 We put this truck together and the box was bouncing. 56 00:03:33,082 --> 00:03:35,737 I took it down there and said, "Hey, Marv, what do you think?" 57 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:37,173 And he said, "Oh, I can fix that." 58 00:03:38,740 --> 00:03:40,959 And he grabbed his welder and he ju-ju-ju, you know, 59 00:03:41,003 --> 00:03:44,920 it was done. Never broke, never-- I mean, the guy was a hell of a welder. 60 00:03:44,963 --> 00:03:46,922 He had a great reputation in the town. 61 00:03:46,965 --> 00:03:49,490 I mean, he was an outdoorsman. He loved to snowmobile. 62 00:03:49,533 --> 00:03:52,493 I didn't ever meet anybody who disliked him. 63 00:03:52,536 --> 00:03:54,843 [Marv] I call it successful. I think I was 64 00:03:54,886 --> 00:03:57,062 a very poor person most of my life, 65 00:03:57,106 --> 00:04:01,110 but I--f--for who I was and th--where I, 66 00:04:01,153 --> 00:04:03,808 what I was, I think I was a very rich man. 67 00:04:03,852 --> 00:04:06,855 And I am thankful to God for giving me that life. 68 00:04:09,379 --> 00:04:13,253 [Trisha Macdonald] I met Marvin in the Lariat Saloon in Grand Lake. 69 00:04:13,905 --> 00:04:18,040 I was there with a friend. He came in and he asked me out. 70 00:04:18,693 --> 00:04:21,435 I had not dated in five years, you know. 71 00:04:21,478 --> 00:04:23,393 My marriage had split up and, um, 72 00:04:23,437 --> 00:04:26,788 but for some reason um, I said yes and 73 00:04:26,831 --> 00:04:31,923 we went out and started seeing each other for several years. 74 00:04:31,967 --> 00:04:34,056 He's old-- he was old school to me. 75 00:04:34,883 --> 00:04:38,495 You know, men aren't-- people-- society doesn't allow that anymore. 76 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,717 You know, he's a handshake's a handshake kind of guy to me. 77 00:04:43,457 --> 00:04:47,069 I mean, he was confident and I thought he was handsome. 78 00:04:47,112 --> 00:04:50,725 And he was larger than life. You know, I felt safe with him. 79 00:04:52,248 --> 00:04:53,902 It's kind of personal, 80 00:04:53,945 --> 00:04:56,687 but he was the first man that I was intimate with 81 00:04:57,253 --> 00:04:58,559 after my marriage. 82 00:04:59,516 --> 00:05:00,865 He was wonderful to me. 83 00:05:03,781 --> 00:05:05,827 He only met my children once, 84 00:05:05,870 --> 00:05:08,308 and he never had children, as you know. 85 00:05:09,352 --> 00:05:14,052 But we did quite a few road trips together and never a dull moment. 86 00:05:18,622 --> 00:05:21,886 [Brower] Marv loved to snowmobile. 87 00:05:31,113 --> 00:05:35,291 Ah, the Thursday group. Every Thursday they'd take the day off and go ride. 88 00:05:35,335 --> 00:05:37,293 Sometimes you'd have four guys, 89 00:05:37,337 --> 00:05:39,556 sometimes you'd have 24 riders. 90 00:05:42,211 --> 00:05:45,040 Just a great bunch of guys to go out and ride with. 91 00:05:45,083 --> 00:05:47,434 Little Matty was the youngest. 92 00:05:47,477 --> 00:05:50,480 [Reed] When I started riding with Marv and the Thursday crew, 93 00:05:50,524 --> 00:05:52,003 I was 16 years old. 94 00:05:53,657 --> 00:05:56,443 And these guys were 40, 50. I couldn't drink with them. 95 00:05:56,486 --> 00:05:59,968 I couldn't do any of that stuff. I had to go home to Mom and answer to Mom still. 96 00:06:00,708 --> 00:06:04,102 Marv was in some respects, he took me under his wing. 97 00:06:04,146 --> 00:06:06,670 He helped teach me how to snowmobile, 98 00:06:06,714 --> 00:06:08,498 work on snowmobiles. 99 00:06:08,542 --> 00:06:10,195 He was always a mentor 100 00:06:10,239 --> 00:06:13,198 and always helped, always gave. 101 00:06:13,242 --> 00:06:16,376 He was my best friend. I looked at him as my bigger brother. 102 00:06:17,028 --> 00:06:20,945 I let Marv lead unless it was someplace I knew better than him. 103 00:06:20,989 --> 00:06:24,514 [Marv] That's where we came from over there. 104 00:06:24,558 --> 00:06:27,256 This is here, where we're supposed to be, 105 00:06:27,299 --> 00:06:31,129 and that's where Stu went, way over there! [laughs] 106 00:06:31,173 --> 00:06:33,915 [Reed] Marv made glove dryers. 107 00:06:33,958 --> 00:06:36,352 We had a Marv grill. 108 00:06:36,396 --> 00:06:39,224 Marv would take stock steel, bend it, 109 00:06:39,268 --> 00:06:40,791 custom to every machine. 110 00:06:42,793 --> 00:06:45,100 You weren't a snowmobiler in Grand Lake unless you had a Marv bumper. 111 00:06:45,709 --> 00:06:49,496 [Spencer] It would take down four-inch trees, five-inch trees 112 00:06:49,539 --> 00:06:52,847 and you'd just keep going. That was a Marv bumper. 113 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,197 [Trisha] Yeah, he was the king, yeah. 114 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:57,547 [Reed] If he got beat by anybody on the mountain 115 00:06:57,591 --> 00:06:59,767 that was the last time he got beat by that person. 116 00:07:04,685 --> 00:07:07,818 [Trisha] He bought me my own Polaris 117 00:07:07,862 --> 00:07:10,342 that he taught me how to get off trail 118 00:07:10,386 --> 00:07:11,822 and when in doubt, gas it. 119 00:07:19,526 --> 00:07:24,531 [Marv] It's a kind of a community that in order for you to get ahead, 120 00:07:24,574 --> 00:07:28,404 you have to keep the neighbor down. It's not... 121 00:07:28,448 --> 00:07:31,102 you know, building yourself up on your own merit, 122 00:07:31,146 --> 00:07:33,017 it's tear the other guy down. 123 00:07:34,758 --> 00:07:38,109 Grand County definitely at one time was the Wild, Wild West. 124 00:07:38,153 --> 00:07:41,591 We've modernized it from [indistinct], but it is not uncommon 125 00:07:41,635 --> 00:07:43,898 at all in the wintertime to have two weeks straight 126 00:07:43,941 --> 00:07:46,248 where the temperature doesn't get above 10 degrees. 127 00:07:46,291 --> 00:07:48,555 [Farrell] You have to be a little more independent, 128 00:07:48,598 --> 00:07:51,471 a little more willing to do without. 129 00:07:52,167 --> 00:07:54,604 You have to like small towns. 130 00:07:54,648 --> 00:07:57,041 You kind of live in a fishbowl to some extent 131 00:07:57,085 --> 00:07:59,348 because your neighbors kind of know your business a little more 132 00:07:59,391 --> 00:08:00,697 than they would be in the city. 133 00:08:01,568 --> 00:08:03,221 [Brower] That can cause conflict. 134 00:08:06,181 --> 00:08:08,226 [Marv] After a few months of living here I happen 135 00:08:08,270 --> 00:08:10,272 to cross a piece of property down there in Granby, 136 00:08:11,621 --> 00:08:15,190 and this was about a month before they were gonna have this FDIC auction. 137 00:08:16,452 --> 00:08:18,802 [Trainor] Marv originally bought the property 138 00:08:18,846 --> 00:08:21,109 that he was on in a public auction. 139 00:08:21,152 --> 00:08:24,286 They were selling FDIC-foreclosed properties. 140 00:08:24,329 --> 00:08:25,983 [Marv] Three thousand square foot building 141 00:08:26,027 --> 00:08:27,507 and it had two acres of ground. 142 00:08:27,550 --> 00:08:29,857 They had a bid for $35,000 143 00:08:29,900 --> 00:08:31,772 from some guy upfront. 144 00:08:31,815 --> 00:08:33,774 So, finally, they caught my bid, so I got-- 145 00:08:33,817 --> 00:08:36,080 the guy bid for 40. And this other guy 146 00:08:36,124 --> 00:08:37,560 jumped up on a chair. 147 00:08:37,604 --> 00:08:38,692 I come to find out his name 148 00:08:38,735 --> 00:08:40,171 was Cody Docheff. 149 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:44,480 [Brower] Cody Docheff is the owner of Mountain Park Concrete. 150 00:08:44,524 --> 00:08:47,527 The Docheffs were looking for land upon which to put 151 00:08:47,570 --> 00:08:49,964 this concrete operation with an indoor batch plant. 152 00:08:50,617 --> 00:08:53,315 Docheff also showed up with Gus Harris. 153 00:08:53,358 --> 00:08:55,883 [Marv] Gus Harris was his buddy there, sitting beside him. 154 00:08:55,926 --> 00:08:59,626 Gus was sponsoring the whole financing on this thing, 155 00:08:59,669 --> 00:09:02,193 and Gus wasn't gonna pay more than 50 grand for it 156 00:09:02,237 --> 00:09:04,631 and I was waiting for him to bid and he wouldn't bid, 157 00:09:04,674 --> 00:09:05,588 so I got the property. 158 00:09:07,111 --> 00:09:09,461 [Brower] Marv says that after he got the property 159 00:09:09,505 --> 00:09:11,725 he was accosted by Cody. 160 00:09:11,768 --> 00:09:13,727 [Marv] This guy came back there and 161 00:09:13,770 --> 00:09:16,512 introduced himself to me, in fact, the rudest, 162 00:09:16,556 --> 00:09:18,601 most arrogant person. 163 00:09:18,645 --> 00:09:21,735 I mean, this guy's just a fucking asshole. 164 00:09:21,778 --> 00:09:24,476 Come back and just introduced himself by 165 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,349 giving me a tongue lashing for about 10 minutes. 166 00:09:27,392 --> 00:09:31,005 I mean, this is the only guy of all the properties that sold before his, 167 00:09:31,048 --> 00:09:33,834 that was doing any screaming at anybody during the auction. 168 00:09:40,623 --> 00:09:44,105 [Spencer] What I like about it here is we're in God's country. 169 00:09:45,149 --> 00:09:46,934 Why live anywhere else? 170 00:09:50,241 --> 00:09:53,593 But I don't like the way the county's run. 171 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:56,552 There's a good ol' boys club. 172 00:10:00,382 --> 00:10:03,733 [Brower] When he bought the property it had nothing more than just 173 00:10:03,777 --> 00:10:06,301 a concrete mixer tank that was holding the sewage. 174 00:10:06,344 --> 00:10:09,217 [Marv] In the summer of '92, 175 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:12,655 they wanted me to be annexed into the water and sanitation district, 176 00:10:12,699 --> 00:10:17,573 so I said, "Great." I just expected it to go through. 177 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:22,534 Ron Thompson was on the board for the sewer district. 178 00:10:23,144 --> 00:10:25,929 [Brower] Ron was pretty outspoken in the board meetings, 179 00:10:25,973 --> 00:10:28,802 so he may have said things that upset Marv at that meeting 180 00:10:28,845 --> 00:10:31,805 and taken a leadership role in making the decisions they made. 181 00:10:33,502 --> 00:10:36,374 Well, as it turns out, the closest sewer main 182 00:10:36,418 --> 00:10:40,117 was many hundreds of feet away from Marv's property, 183 00:10:40,161 --> 00:10:42,511 so in order for Marv to hook onto that, 184 00:10:42,554 --> 00:10:45,035 he would have had to build a long service line 185 00:10:45,079 --> 00:10:46,820 from his property to the main. 186 00:10:48,473 --> 00:10:51,302 When he learned that to do all that was gonna cost him 187 00:10:51,346 --> 00:10:54,697 anywhere from 60 to 70, maybe even 80 thousand dollars, 188 00:10:54,741 --> 00:10:56,612 Marv was upset. 189 00:10:56,656 --> 00:10:58,701 [Reed] They make you pay for the installation 190 00:10:58,745 --> 00:11:00,485 of the sewer line that you don't want, 191 00:11:00,529 --> 00:11:02,662 and then you have to still hook yourself up. 192 00:11:02,705 --> 00:11:04,272 That's life-changing money. 193 00:11:04,315 --> 00:11:06,274 [Spencer] Marv refused to do that. 194 00:11:08,537 --> 00:11:11,279 I never heard him talk bad about anybody 195 00:11:11,322 --> 00:11:12,802 but the people that did him bad, 196 00:11:14,021 --> 00:11:16,676 the good ol' boys club. He did not like 'em. 197 00:11:18,765 --> 00:11:21,724 [Marv] I never had anybody sit there and plan 198 00:11:21,768 --> 00:11:25,728 to cut me out of an opportunity like the Thompsons did 199 00:11:25,772 --> 00:11:29,123 when they denied me access to their sanitation district. 200 00:11:29,776 --> 00:11:32,692 It doesn't make any sense other than that 201 00:11:32,735 --> 00:11:35,303 it was the good ol' boys patting each other on the back. 202 00:11:35,999 --> 00:11:38,567 Had they not done that, I can assure you 203 00:11:38,610 --> 00:11:41,526 the outcome, the whole thing 204 00:11:41,570 --> 00:11:43,137 would have been completely different! 205 00:11:44,965 --> 00:11:48,272 The Thompson family was what I'd call a Granby legacy family, 206 00:11:48,316 --> 00:11:51,101 a wealthy working family in the Granby area, 207 00:11:51,145 --> 00:11:53,887 making their money off of excavation, but also living off 208 00:11:53,930 --> 00:11:57,151 the fact that they owned a lot of the land just because they'd been here forever. 209 00:11:58,543 --> 00:12:01,155 The first Thompson clan that settled in Granby 210 00:12:01,198 --> 00:12:03,157 actually bought lodging properties 211 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,985 and in the course of that they bought 212 00:12:05,028 --> 00:12:07,596 little pieces of property around town. 213 00:12:08,162 --> 00:12:11,034 The Thompsons formed their own excavation company. 214 00:12:11,078 --> 00:12:14,472 Dick Thompson was the son of the first Thompson family. 215 00:12:14,516 --> 00:12:16,779 Dick had several children. 216 00:12:16,823 --> 00:12:19,782 Ron was kind of a, a leading son in the family. 217 00:12:19,826 --> 00:12:22,263 Larry was kind of the older son who helped, 218 00:12:22,306 --> 00:12:23,960 and Gary went right along with him 219 00:12:24,004 --> 00:12:25,745 doing a lot of the excavation work. 220 00:12:27,616 --> 00:12:30,227 [Marv] Gus Harris and Cody Docheff 221 00:12:30,271 --> 00:12:32,403 and the powers that be, the Thompsons, 222 00:12:32,447 --> 00:12:34,884 if they would have left me alone, 223 00:12:34,928 --> 00:12:37,931 I wouldn't have had this righteous anger 224 00:12:37,974 --> 00:12:41,369 that I have towards the Thompsons, 225 00:12:41,412 --> 00:12:43,806 their hierarchy, their attitude 226 00:12:43,850 --> 00:12:47,636 that they have left in that community for so many years. 227 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:49,986 And so many people think like they do, 228 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:51,858 screw your neighbor. 229 00:12:53,163 --> 00:12:55,600 [Brower] In Marv's eyes, the Thompson family 230 00:12:55,644 --> 00:12:57,907 was the epitome of the Granby establishment 231 00:12:57,951 --> 00:13:00,867 that did everything they could to thwart Marv. 232 00:13:02,259 --> 00:13:05,175 [Marv] Well, I'm making lemonade out of lemons, 233 00:13:05,219 --> 00:13:07,482 you know, I just kept on about my business 234 00:13:07,525 --> 00:13:09,832 because this is a small community and, you know, 235 00:13:09,876 --> 00:13:11,529 I need to fit in. 236 00:13:11,573 --> 00:13:13,531 Life was pretty good and I was making 237 00:13:13,575 --> 00:13:15,446 a real good income out of there. 238 00:13:15,490 --> 00:13:18,145 And in '98, the town went 239 00:13:18,188 --> 00:13:21,104 and spot-zoned the two acres 240 00:13:21,148 --> 00:13:24,281 directly south of me, which is illegal in Colorado. 241 00:13:24,325 --> 00:13:26,980 And because no one protested it 242 00:13:27,023 --> 00:13:31,114 within 30 days, it became law that they could do that. 243 00:13:31,158 --> 00:13:33,595 And this Docheff guy, he's gonna sign 244 00:13:33,638 --> 00:13:36,076 and buy the property next door to the west of me, 245 00:13:36,119 --> 00:13:38,643 and has a contract on it to purchase it. 246 00:13:38,687 --> 00:13:41,864 And they were going to be able to put this concrete plant 247 00:13:41,908 --> 00:13:44,867 right there next to all those houses, 248 00:13:44,911 --> 00:13:48,218 downwind of the town. And Cody's motivation 249 00:13:48,262 --> 00:13:50,177 was to get back at Marv. 250 00:13:50,220 --> 00:13:52,962 Well, I find this out too late 251 00:13:53,006 --> 00:13:55,356 and I be--I was right in the dust pale 252 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:58,272 of this whole operation. And that wasn't gonna work 253 00:13:58,315 --> 00:14:01,231 because I didn't want no frickin' concrete plant next to me. 254 00:14:05,540 --> 00:14:07,803 [Broady] There was opposition to the concrete plant, 255 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:10,893 and we heard we had public hearings. 256 00:14:10,937 --> 00:14:15,158 Uh, I was acting mayor because the mayor 257 00:14:15,202 --> 00:14:18,161 and the mayor pro tem both had conflicts of interest, 258 00:14:18,205 --> 00:14:20,424 so I presided over the public hearings. 259 00:14:20,468 --> 00:14:22,557 We allowed the public to come in, and it was 260 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,081 a packed house. People spoke for it, 261 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:27,301 for the service the concrete would provide. 262 00:14:27,344 --> 00:14:30,478 And there was lots of people that spoke out against it. 263 00:14:30,521 --> 00:14:33,655 [Brower] Marv Heemeyer did a great job of arousing 264 00:14:33,698 --> 00:14:37,354 public sentiment in his favor against the batch plant. 265 00:14:37,398 --> 00:14:40,836 He felt that the batch plant would hurt his business. 266 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,969 He claimed that there would be dust, 267 00:14:43,012 --> 00:14:46,059 that there would be noise, that there would be excess traffic. 268 00:14:46,102 --> 00:14:48,713 Who knew what they were going to do to the water supply. 269 00:14:48,757 --> 00:14:51,847 He also made that argument on behalf of people in the neighborhood. 270 00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:54,458 Marv got a lot of these people to show up and, 271 00:14:54,502 --> 00:14:56,330 basically, say we don't want it, we don't like it, 272 00:14:56,373 --> 00:14:58,071 what are you going to do to our neighborhood? 273 00:14:58,810 --> 00:15:01,770 They voiced a lot of the concerns that Marv was voicing. 274 00:15:01,813 --> 00:15:05,643 This went on for a series of three, four, maybe even five meetings. 275 00:15:05,687 --> 00:15:08,298 And there'd be discourse and, and discussion, 276 00:15:08,342 --> 00:15:11,780 and Cody would jump up because he was so upset. 277 00:15:11,823 --> 00:15:13,913 He has, he's a fiery guy. 278 00:15:15,044 --> 00:15:17,786 The town ultimately approved 279 00:15:18,482 --> 00:15:20,093 Cody's batch plant down there, 280 00:15:20,136 --> 00:15:22,312 but with a host of, of conditions, 281 00:15:22,356 --> 00:15:24,010 the typical things that you see. 282 00:15:24,053 --> 00:15:26,142 I think I read the motion, the whereas 283 00:15:26,186 --> 00:15:27,665 and the wherefores and all that stuff 284 00:15:27,709 --> 00:15:29,015 to approve the batch plant. 285 00:15:29,624 --> 00:15:31,365 [Brower] And it was at that meeting in '99 286 00:15:31,408 --> 00:15:32,757 where Marv promised he'd fight 'em 287 00:15:32,801 --> 00:15:33,671 the whole way. 288 00:15:34,803 --> 00:15:38,067 [Marv] In nature, wolves, coyotes, 289 00:15:38,111 --> 00:15:39,851 they have their territory. 290 00:15:39,895 --> 00:15:41,766 A mother just--look at the mother, 291 00:15:41,810 --> 00:15:43,899 she will fight to protect her young. 292 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,423 And a male, a male will definitely protect 293 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:49,949 his territory. If he doesn't, he'll be overrun. 294 00:15:50,775 --> 00:15:52,995 Now, if an animal will do this, 295 00:15:54,257 --> 00:15:55,737 why wouldn't a man? 296 00:16:00,742 --> 00:16:04,485 [Brower] In the meantime, the town is cracking down hard on Marv 297 00:16:04,528 --> 00:16:07,575 saying there is a serious issue with your water and sewer. 298 00:16:08,271 --> 00:16:11,274 He ended up going to Granby Municipal Court. 299 00:16:11,318 --> 00:16:13,189 Judge Noriyuki was presiding. 300 00:16:13,233 --> 00:16:15,278 She said we find you in violation. 301 00:16:15,322 --> 00:16:18,020 We're gonna give you a deferred judgment, however, 302 00:16:18,064 --> 00:16:20,849 and you can't use the property for anything 303 00:16:20,892 --> 00:16:23,069 until you're hooked up to water and sewer. 304 00:16:23,112 --> 00:16:26,768 You have to connect, but 400 feet's a long way. 305 00:16:26,811 --> 00:16:28,596 There could be a piece of property in the way 306 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:31,294 and in this case there was: Cody's. 307 00:16:31,338 --> 00:16:34,123 He needed the easement. Cody wasn't gonna give him the easement. 308 00:16:36,082 --> 00:16:41,000 [McClelland] The town contacts him and says we're gonna fine you $100 a day 309 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:44,394 because you're operating a business and you're not hooked up to the sewer. 310 00:16:44,438 --> 00:16:47,136 [Brower] Marv wrote a check to the town, 311 00:16:47,180 --> 00:16:49,095 and he wrote on the memo line, 312 00:16:49,138 --> 00:16:51,314 "Cowards and Liars Department." 313 00:16:51,358 --> 00:16:53,534 And to add insult to injury, they sent it back 314 00:16:53,577 --> 00:16:55,318 and said the amount is incorrect. 315 00:16:55,971 --> 00:16:59,540 Well, this clearly angered Marv. He shows up at the town hall. 316 00:16:59,583 --> 00:17:02,760 They kept fining him because he was an out-of-towner. 317 00:17:02,804 --> 00:17:05,154 He came up here and small town... 318 00:17:06,460 --> 00:17:10,072 [McClelland] In Marv's mind this was just another example 319 00:17:10,116 --> 00:17:13,684 of the town not treating him fairly. 320 00:17:17,427 --> 00:17:20,082 [Brower] The Docheffs were moving forward with their proposal. 321 00:17:20,126 --> 00:17:22,389 Suddenly Marv shows up with an attorney 322 00:17:22,432 --> 00:17:25,696 then he's saying I think that we've caught you in a mistake. 323 00:17:27,655 --> 00:17:29,700 The town board was stunned. 324 00:17:29,744 --> 00:17:32,486 They called an executive session, kicked everybody out. 325 00:17:32,529 --> 00:17:35,097 They said, well, we're gonna put everything on hold 326 00:17:35,141 --> 00:17:37,056 until we can decide what we're gonna do. 327 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:39,188 [Farrell] The attorney made us be very 328 00:17:39,232 --> 00:17:41,234 dot the i's, cross the t's, 329 00:17:41,277 --> 00:17:43,627 so we wanted to make sure that whatever we did, 330 00:17:43,671 --> 00:17:46,848 we were right on the money with. 331 00:17:47,370 --> 00:17:49,851 [Brower] They came back and said we're gonna let them restart 332 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:52,723 from square one so that we can do it right this time. 333 00:17:55,378 --> 00:17:59,513 As a last ditch effort, Marv filed a lawsuit in district court. 334 00:18:00,644 --> 00:18:03,386 But the Docheffs, they're serious about building 335 00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:05,606 this batch plant as quickly as possible. 336 00:18:05,649 --> 00:18:08,652 They're moving forward as if there's not any barrier 337 00:18:08,696 --> 00:18:10,654 to their progress at all. 338 00:18:10,698 --> 00:18:12,439 There's heavy equipment operating 339 00:18:12,482 --> 00:18:14,832 at the soon-to-be batch plant site. 340 00:18:14,876 --> 00:18:17,357 Marv is sitting here watching all this happening, 341 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,359 and I think he is just stewing about it. 342 00:18:20,229 --> 00:18:22,710 [Marv] You put yourself in my shoes 343 00:18:22,753 --> 00:18:25,234 and tell me how you would feel, 344 00:18:25,278 --> 00:18:29,847 realizing that you've wasted 10 years of your life 345 00:18:30,587 --> 00:18:33,242 because of someone's malice. 346 00:18:33,286 --> 00:18:37,855 [Spencer] He's putting out money and he's getting shut down every corner, 347 00:18:37,899 --> 00:18:40,336 and then it was to nothing. I don't know how much he spent. 348 00:18:40,380 --> 00:18:43,426 I know one time he had 150 grand into it. 349 00:18:43,470 --> 00:18:47,691 And I said, "Well, you shouldn't have spent that much money 350 00:18:47,735 --> 00:18:50,694 on these assholes because you can't fight the government." 351 00:18:50,738 --> 00:18:54,785 Nine months later, the court made its ruling on the lawsuit. 352 00:18:55,482 --> 00:18:59,138 Judge Doucet dismissed the lawsuit completely. 353 00:19:00,226 --> 00:19:03,577 Suddenly, Marv had nobody on his side. 354 00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:06,841 [Marv] My attorney, as paid off as he was, 355 00:19:06,884 --> 00:19:09,757 that's all he was doing was making money on the deal. 356 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:12,847 He didn't care if I win or lose. As a matter of fact he said 357 00:19:12,890 --> 00:19:15,806 that he wouldn't appeal it. I always told him, I says, 358 00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:19,070 "It's good enough if we lose to appeal it 359 00:19:19,114 --> 00:19:22,117 to a higher court." He though wouldn't do it. 360 00:19:22,161 --> 00:19:23,423 He would not appeal it. 361 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,905 You know, they think that I should have to stay down there 362 00:19:27,949 --> 00:19:31,300 in Granby. I should have kept my muffler shop going. 363 00:19:31,344 --> 00:19:35,435 I should have put up with all the dust, all the, the snickers. 364 00:19:36,175 --> 00:19:40,788 You know the--the town council, I'd pass them in the post office 365 00:19:40,831 --> 00:19:44,313 and they'd snicker at me after they knew I lost. 366 00:19:44,357 --> 00:19:48,709 On the street, Casey Farrell, what a barbarian. 367 00:19:48,752 --> 00:19:52,452 He comes across being one of those good guys. 368 00:19:52,495 --> 00:19:54,193 He's part of the problem. 369 00:19:54,236 --> 00:19:55,672 They knew what they were doing. 370 00:19:56,282 --> 00:19:58,284 They were trying to run him out of town. 371 00:19:58,327 --> 00:20:01,287 [Marv] The town had a hard on for Marv Heemeyer. 372 00:20:01,330 --> 00:20:04,638 They didn't stop a thing! Marv didn't have any malice towards us. 373 00:20:04,681 --> 00:20:07,423 This is a sign to not do this. 374 00:20:07,467 --> 00:20:10,948 No, they kept it in their hardened hearts... 375 00:20:10,992 --> 00:20:13,995 and said we'll get him. They started getting me 376 00:20:14,038 --> 00:20:17,694 in 1992 when they kept me off the sanitation district. 377 00:20:17,738 --> 00:20:21,568 They started getting me when Gus Harris sold the property 378 00:20:21,611 --> 00:20:24,962 to Cody Docheff. They got me when they issued 379 00:20:25,006 --> 00:20:28,227 the building permit to Cody Docheff 380 00:20:28,270 --> 00:20:30,577 for the concrete plant and denied 381 00:20:30,620 --> 00:20:32,492 that it was for the concrete plant. 382 00:20:32,535 --> 00:20:35,625 Are we all stupid? Come on, they knew! 383 00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:37,714 And when I would ask them these questions-- 384 00:20:37,758 --> 00:20:39,673 but what you won't find in the minutes, 385 00:20:39,716 --> 00:20:41,675 they would just shut right up, stonewall you. 386 00:20:41,718 --> 00:20:42,980 They didn't have an answer. 387 00:20:44,068 --> 00:20:46,984 I'd shoot the truth in their face 388 00:20:47,028 --> 00:20:50,336 and they couldn't deal with it. And, and I'm sorry, 389 00:20:50,379 --> 00:20:52,642 they are going to have to deal with it. 390 00:20:52,686 --> 00:20:56,167 I guarantee you I am going to make them deal with it. 391 00:20:59,475 --> 00:21:01,869 [Trisha] The battle with the town of Granby, you know, 392 00:21:01,912 --> 00:21:05,002 um we talked about it, but I didn't get that feeling 393 00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:06,961 that he was so angry. 394 00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:11,226 No one realized how... 395 00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:17,537 how... God, distorted it was becoming to him. 396 00:21:25,849 --> 00:21:28,069 [Brower] Marv was feeling defeated, 397 00:21:29,157 --> 00:21:34,510 humiliated, and at his wit's end about what he was gonna do. 398 00:21:34,554 --> 00:21:37,339 He goes out, sits in his hot tub with a beer 399 00:21:37,383 --> 00:21:39,559 in his hand, and has inspiration. 400 00:21:41,996 --> 00:21:46,217 [Marv] When I was sitting in the hot tub, and I mean I was, I was weeping. 401 00:21:48,785 --> 00:21:51,310 And a peace came over me 402 00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:55,009 where I knew God wanted me to do it. 403 00:21:58,360 --> 00:21:59,883 And I didn't understand. 404 00:22:00,493 --> 00:22:03,452 I said, "Why did you ask me to do this? 405 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:08,152 Is that why I've never been married, so I didn't have a family? 406 00:22:08,196 --> 00:22:10,720 Is that why I've always been successful 407 00:22:10,764 --> 00:22:14,507 so that I would realize my rewards for doing this task?" 408 00:22:15,682 --> 00:22:17,118 But it has to be done. 409 00:22:17,771 --> 00:22:21,165 And the world will write stories 410 00:22:21,209 --> 00:22:23,080 about how wrong I am 411 00:22:23,733 --> 00:22:27,389 and without a doubt I wish it could be done a different way 412 00:22:27,433 --> 00:22:30,523 but there is no way to make this right. 413 00:22:31,654 --> 00:22:34,178 You picked on the wrong man! 414 00:22:41,708 --> 00:22:45,625 [Brower] Cody, do you remember the first time you met Marv at that auction? 415 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:06,123 There is the difference of points of view or memory 416 00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:08,604 about what happened after Marv got it. 417 00:23:08,648 --> 00:23:12,434 [Marv] Cody Docheff, I mean this guy's just a fucking asshole. 418 00:23:12,478 --> 00:23:15,698 Come back and just introduced himself by giving me 419 00:23:15,742 --> 00:23:17,657 a tongue lashing for about 10 minutes. 420 00:23:26,056 --> 00:23:30,496 [Brower] The reason I ask is that Marv claims that you guys talked afterwards. 421 00:23:34,238 --> 00:23:36,502 [Marv] I talked to this guy forever it seems like, 422 00:23:36,545 --> 00:23:39,592 and everybody around me, they couldn't believe this asshole. 423 00:23:39,635 --> 00:23:43,465 And this is the only guy of all the properties sold before his 424 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:46,555 that was doing any screaming at anybody during the auction. 425 00:23:46,599 --> 00:23:48,252 Gus doesn't remember it either. 426 00:23:49,732 --> 00:23:53,997 [Gus] I uh, I've been a school bus driver for 50 years. 427 00:23:54,041 --> 00:23:57,827 Cody has been a good friend for many, many years. 428 00:23:57,871 --> 00:24:00,700 We have gone to auctions together before on times. 429 00:24:00,743 --> 00:24:05,922 So, Cody went with me but he had no party in the-- in the auction. 430 00:24:05,966 --> 00:24:10,840 Cody and I sat and listened to another bid or two. 431 00:24:10,884 --> 00:24:13,408 There really wasn't much of anything happened. 432 00:24:13,452 --> 00:24:17,847 I don't know what Marv did. I wasn't paying any attention to him really. 433 00:24:17,891 --> 00:24:21,851 And then we just got up and, and, uh, left. Yeah. 434 00:24:23,810 --> 00:24:28,554 Cody would maybe be interested in the property at a, at a future time, 435 00:24:28,597 --> 00:24:31,992 but, uh, there was no agreement or talk between us 436 00:24:32,035 --> 00:24:33,950 of him owning that property. 437 00:24:36,213 --> 00:24:38,955 [Marv] Cody would have been mad at anybody who would have bought the property, 438 00:24:38,999 --> 00:24:43,482 anybody, but, but you gotta go there with enough money. 439 00:24:43,525 --> 00:24:46,528 Otherwise you're the problem. 440 00:24:46,572 --> 00:24:49,531 It's your fault that this happened, not mine. 441 00:24:51,751 --> 00:24:56,320 [Brower] Marv in his tapes, the way he characterizes the town, 442 00:24:56,364 --> 00:25:00,020 me and many other people, just did not reflect what I thought 443 00:25:00,063 --> 00:25:03,371 was the way those people really were and really are. 444 00:25:03,414 --> 00:25:05,286 [Marv] I wasted... 445 00:25:06,722 --> 00:25:10,247 thirteen years of my life down there 446 00:25:10,857 --> 00:25:14,338 because the Thompsons were pissed off 447 00:25:14,382 --> 00:25:16,340 that I bought that property. 448 00:25:19,387 --> 00:25:22,651 [Larry Thompson] We lived here all of our life. We were born and raised here. 449 00:25:23,957 --> 00:25:27,177 Probably gonna die here, so. Where else you gonna go, but... 450 00:25:27,961 --> 00:25:31,921 No, our dad started here in business in 1949. 451 00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:34,837 We had our mom, our dad, then we had another brother 452 00:25:34,881 --> 00:25:38,972 between the two of us that got sick in '02, and he passed away. 453 00:25:40,190 --> 00:25:44,020 And everybody has their hardships, so we had more than our fair share. 454 00:25:44,064 --> 00:25:46,066 -A raft of 'em. -A raft of 'em. 455 00:25:47,067 --> 00:25:50,592 [Brower] And the popular conception of the Thompson brothers is that 456 00:25:50,636 --> 00:25:53,203 they are the hardest working millionaires in the county. 457 00:25:53,247 --> 00:25:55,902 They probably could live well off of the revenue 458 00:25:55,945 --> 00:25:58,644 from their property that they have in Granby. 459 00:25:58,687 --> 00:26:01,211 They could probably hire people but they don't. 460 00:26:01,255 --> 00:26:04,171 They choose to work and I actually think they like the work. 461 00:26:04,737 --> 00:26:06,608 [Larry Thompson] We got a whole yard full of stuff. 462 00:26:06,652 --> 00:26:08,915 We don't hire any help. We just do it ourselves. 463 00:26:08,958 --> 00:26:11,831 It's fun, so keeps us out of trouble, so... 464 00:26:13,484 --> 00:26:18,098 [Marv] I spent one day here in the spring of 2003, 465 00:26:18,141 --> 00:26:23,320 the Thompson brothers were down below my house here in Grand Lake, 466 00:26:23,364 --> 00:26:25,584 digging a foundation for a house. 467 00:26:25,627 --> 00:26:28,717 Larry Thompson was standing out by his truck by himself, 468 00:26:28,761 --> 00:26:31,807 so I drove up to him and had a few words with him. 469 00:26:31,851 --> 00:26:34,505 Basically what I told him was that, "You know, Larry, 470 00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:37,900 you know, about in 1992, your family 471 00:26:37,944 --> 00:26:42,122 financially affected my life for the rest of my life." 472 00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:45,821 Well, Marv had a beef with our dad because he was on the town board, 473 00:26:46,605 --> 00:26:51,435 town council for a lot of years. And in the last years of his life, he was the mayor. 474 00:26:51,479 --> 00:26:55,875 [Marv] And I says, "You owe me, I want $300,000 from you." 475 00:26:55,918 --> 00:26:57,964 And he says it'll never happen. 476 00:26:58,007 --> 00:27:00,662 And I says, "Well, I guarantee you, Larry, 477 00:27:00,706 --> 00:27:02,316 I'm gonna collect." 478 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,666 One day, we always was friendly to him, 479 00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:06,799 you know, and he rolled his window down and he says, 480 00:27:06,842 --> 00:27:09,279 "I'm gonna get you guys." And rolled his windows up and left, 481 00:27:09,323 --> 00:27:11,455 and that's the last time we ever talked to him. 482 00:27:11,499 --> 00:27:15,329 [Marv] He basically confirmed in my mind right there 483 00:27:16,591 --> 00:27:18,158 that he knew what I was talking about. 484 00:27:18,201 --> 00:27:20,203 And he knew what had been done 485 00:27:20,247 --> 00:27:22,684 because he had one thing to say. He screamed it at me 486 00:27:22,728 --> 00:27:25,034 as I am about five truck lengths away. 487 00:27:25,078 --> 00:27:28,908 He screamed, "You can suck my dick!" 488 00:27:28,951 --> 00:27:31,824 Well, when someone is that frustrated 489 00:27:31,867 --> 00:27:34,130 that they've gotta say something like that, 490 00:27:34,174 --> 00:27:35,828 you know they know. 491 00:27:37,568 --> 00:27:40,441 It was all politics related, so 492 00:27:40,484 --> 00:27:43,357 I don't think anybody ever done him wrong on purpose. 493 00:27:46,447 --> 00:27:47,796 You never know what gets into people. 494 00:27:49,711 --> 00:27:51,321 [Marv] He's a cowardly bastard. 495 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,848 He's a Catholic, and I think they are some of the biggest cowards 496 00:27:55,891 --> 00:27:59,199 I have ever met. They believe the only way that they can stay on top 497 00:27:59,765 --> 00:28:01,680 is to keep their neighbor down. 498 00:28:02,419 --> 00:28:05,727 [Brower] I think that Marv might have seen in the Thompson family 499 00:28:05,771 --> 00:28:08,817 an example of what he may have really aspired to, 500 00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:13,909 which was being a relatively wealthy, land-owning family 501 00:28:13,953 --> 00:28:18,087 that worked with their hands, worked with heavy equipment, 502 00:28:18,131 --> 00:28:21,612 that were able to make a living at it and be successful. 503 00:28:22,744 --> 00:28:25,660 [Gary Thompson] This is my die-cast toy collection. 504 00:28:25,704 --> 00:28:29,533 I've probably been collecting 15 years now, maybe a little longer. 505 00:28:30,404 --> 00:28:33,059 And this is kind of my hobby that I do in the evenings, 506 00:28:33,102 --> 00:28:34,538 mainly in the wintertime. 507 00:28:35,539 --> 00:28:38,238 So I just buy one, two toys once in a while 508 00:28:38,281 --> 00:28:39,369 as I can afford it. 509 00:28:41,328 --> 00:28:43,025 [man] Is this your favorite truck? 510 00:28:43,069 --> 00:28:44,461 [Larry Thompson] They're all favorite trucks. 511 00:28:44,984 --> 00:28:46,725 They're our toys. 512 00:28:49,075 --> 00:28:51,817 So... But anyway. 513 00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:56,952 I went down to talk to Marv about his business 514 00:28:56,996 --> 00:28:59,346 and whether he'd like us to do a new business story, 515 00:28:59,389 --> 00:29:00,956 and would he like to buy some advertising. 516 00:29:04,307 --> 00:29:07,180 And Marv was only open at select hours. 517 00:29:07,223 --> 00:29:11,010 Marv ran that business so he could indulge in his snowmobiling habit. 518 00:29:11,053 --> 00:29:13,360 I must've gone back down to the muffler shop 519 00:29:13,403 --> 00:29:16,363 three-four times and Marv was never there. 520 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,975 [Marv] This newspaper guy, Patrick Brower, 521 00:29:20,019 --> 00:29:22,151 this guy hated me. 522 00:29:22,195 --> 00:29:25,024 When I first came up here in uh '91, 523 00:29:25,067 --> 00:29:26,895 he said that he was gonna come down 524 00:29:26,939 --> 00:29:28,418 and do an article on my little business. 525 00:29:28,462 --> 00:29:30,464 Well, he never did do it. 526 00:29:30,507 --> 00:29:33,119 You know, he was doing everything he could 527 00:29:33,162 --> 00:29:36,557 to keep me from getting any additional publicity. 528 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,994 He knows how to abuse the power of the pen. 529 00:29:39,038 --> 00:29:42,519 And that's a big thing up here is abuse of power. 530 00:29:42,563 --> 00:29:44,783 [Brower] When the time came where I ran into Marv, 531 00:29:44,826 --> 00:29:46,915 he was all upset with me for never doing his story. 532 00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:49,396 I said, "Marv, why don't I just give you an ad." 533 00:29:50,266 --> 00:29:52,965 Yeah, I took a photo of Marv and ran a free ad for him. 534 00:29:53,008 --> 00:29:55,706 It was I think a $200 ad that he got for nothing. 535 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:59,058 [Marv] I know the newspaper guy, that guy, 536 00:29:59,101 --> 00:30:01,930 he has told so many lies. It's one thing about lying-- 537 00:30:01,974 --> 00:30:05,629 you tell a lie, usually you gotta tell five more to cover that up. 538 00:30:12,767 --> 00:30:16,945 I came to Granby in '78, three kids raised here. 539 00:30:16,989 --> 00:30:18,642 Bought the store in '92. 540 00:30:18,686 --> 00:30:21,341 We try to be part of the community 541 00:30:21,384 --> 00:30:23,865 and support the community because they support us. 542 00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:27,564 So that's how I got kind of involved in town board thing. 543 00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:31,133 [Marv] Casey Farrell, what a barbarian. 544 00:30:31,742 --> 00:30:34,789 He comes across being one of those good guys. 545 00:30:36,747 --> 00:30:38,314 He's part of the problem. 546 00:30:38,358 --> 00:30:40,708 Casey and Ronda Farrell and their family 547 00:30:40,751 --> 00:30:43,189 are the kind of people you want for neighbors. 548 00:30:43,232 --> 00:30:45,191 He never did anything with ill intent. 549 00:30:45,931 --> 00:30:47,889 He never did anything with malice. 550 00:30:47,933 --> 00:30:51,632 [Marv] The town council, I'd pass them in the post office 551 00:30:51,675 --> 00:30:55,070 and they'd snicker at me after they knew I lost. 552 00:30:56,898 --> 00:30:59,466 [Farrell] In that batch plant, I felt like it was a positive, 553 00:30:59,509 --> 00:31:01,511 and I couldn't see a downside for Marv. 554 00:31:02,556 --> 00:31:06,212 It was gonna supply concrete so the community could grow. 555 00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:08,518 The opportunity for jobs. 556 00:31:08,562 --> 00:31:10,999 I mean, he might get a little dust on his muffler shop, 557 00:31:11,043 --> 00:31:13,610 but it wasn't all that clean to begin with. 558 00:31:13,654 --> 00:31:16,918 [Marv] How many times do you have to try to deal with a man? 559 00:31:16,962 --> 00:31:21,357 Come on, Cody, be reasonable, but that's what you cannot do 560 00:31:21,401 --> 00:31:24,491 with people in the mountains, especially in Granby. 561 00:31:28,451 --> 00:31:31,890 [Brower] Cody Docheff built his concrete business from the ground up. 562 00:31:31,933 --> 00:31:35,241 He's what I would call a kind of a salt of the earth businessman 563 00:31:35,284 --> 00:31:37,896 who, uh, is a doer. He's a hard worker. 564 00:31:38,461 --> 00:31:40,855 Maybe Marv and Cody had some head butting 565 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:43,597 just because they are both alpha personalities 566 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,946 or something of that nature. 567 00:31:46,730 --> 00:31:47,906 [Farrell] I think they're both pretty good at what they do. 568 00:31:48,602 --> 00:31:50,299 Neither one of 'em were trust fund babies. 569 00:31:50,996 --> 00:31:53,041 Cody's worked hard to get where he's at. 570 00:31:53,085 --> 00:31:54,651 Cody's, Cody's Cody. 571 00:31:55,565 --> 00:31:57,524 -It's just his nature. -It's just his nature. 572 00:31:57,567 --> 00:31:59,395 You know, he's just, he tells it the way it is. 573 00:31:59,439 --> 00:32:01,658 -If you don't like it... -He just tells ya. 574 00:32:01,702 --> 00:32:04,313 He tells ya, you know. He's a good guy, you know. 575 00:32:04,357 --> 00:32:06,098 He'd do anything for ya, but he's just... 576 00:32:06,794 --> 00:32:09,710 got a little short fuse, goes off, but he's okay, 577 00:32:09,753 --> 00:32:11,886 -you know. -Oh, yeah, he has a bit of a temper, 578 00:32:11,930 --> 00:32:14,106 -but he, he's all right. -He's all right, you know. 579 00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:16,586 He's a little Bulgarian. 580 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:20,242 He's quite quick. He's a good man. 581 00:32:20,286 --> 00:32:23,854 He's done all right around here, works his butt off like everybody else. 582 00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:26,988 -Yeah, he, he's earned it. -Yeah, he's earned every nickel he made. 583 00:32:27,032 --> 00:32:29,295 -He came here with basically nothing. -Nothing. 584 00:32:29,338 --> 00:32:30,470 Uh, Marv and Cody 585 00:32:31,514 --> 00:32:32,994 probably could have been friends. 586 00:32:34,865 --> 00:32:39,174 [Marv] For years I tried to appease Cody Docheff's misguided anger. 587 00:32:39,218 --> 00:32:41,568 I bought every bit of concrete, 588 00:32:41,611 --> 00:32:43,700 which turned out to be shit. 589 00:32:47,095 --> 00:32:50,229 [Brower] Marv complained about the sewer board holding him over a barrel, 590 00:32:50,272 --> 00:32:52,709 but that was completely standard procedure. 591 00:32:52,753 --> 00:32:54,755 It's true that it can be expensive, 592 00:32:54,798 --> 00:32:56,757 but Cody connected when he built the batch plant, 593 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,150 and it would not cost much 594 00:32:58,193 --> 00:33:00,065 for Marv to have hooked on. 595 00:33:01,718 --> 00:33:04,199 The Docheffs called up Marv and said, "Marv, 596 00:33:04,243 --> 00:33:08,508 we'll give you an easement for your water and sewer 597 00:33:08,551 --> 00:33:11,380 if you drop your lawsuit against the town and us." 598 00:33:12,294 --> 00:33:16,211 Marv just hung up. When he was called into the court 599 00:33:16,255 --> 00:33:18,822 because he hadn't connected his sewer lines, 600 00:33:18,866 --> 00:33:22,000 he's clearly stalling on resolving this issue. 601 00:33:22,043 --> 00:33:25,873 This is where Marv confronts Deb Hess, who is a town clerk. 602 00:33:26,526 --> 00:33:28,832 [Brower] So, Deb, did you have any dealings with Marv? 603 00:33:28,876 --> 00:33:31,531 [Hess] He had come in my office, he was accusing me 604 00:33:31,574 --> 00:33:33,576 of going over to the bank and badmouthing him. 605 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:35,970 I said, "Mr. Heemeyer, I wasn't over at the bank 606 00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:39,278 and I wouldn't do that. I mean, I have no reason to badmouth him. 607 00:33:39,321 --> 00:33:41,106 I just said I just need a different check. 608 00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:42,977 [Brower] Actually, he had made a mistake 609 00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:44,892 when he wrote out the amount. 610 00:33:44,935 --> 00:33:47,677 Marv corrects the verbiage on the check 611 00:33:47,721 --> 00:33:50,550 and then the check clears and he's paid his fine. 612 00:33:50,593 --> 00:33:53,379 Marv's anger affected his interpretation of events 613 00:33:53,422 --> 00:33:55,903 with Dietze as well. He believed Dietze milked him 614 00:33:55,946 --> 00:33:57,861 for money and abandoned him on appeal. 615 00:33:58,732 --> 00:34:00,995 But if Dietze was really out to milk Heemeyer 616 00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:03,084 why didn't he go to the appeal? 617 00:34:03,128 --> 00:34:05,782 It'd be a way to milk another $55,000 out of him. 618 00:34:06,566 --> 00:34:11,005 And the irony is Cody had been offering to buy Marv out from the beginning, 619 00:34:11,049 --> 00:34:14,922 and Marv saw an opportunity to sell that two-acre parcel 620 00:34:14,965 --> 00:34:18,186 that he had bought at that auction to the Docheffs. 621 00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:21,972 [Broady] Marv put a price on his property of $250,000. 622 00:34:22,495 --> 00:34:26,064 That's a pretty good profit, six times what he paid for it. 623 00:34:26,107 --> 00:34:28,066 Cody had agreed to 250,000. 624 00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:30,981 Immediately, Marv backed out and said no, 625 00:34:31,025 --> 00:34:32,853 I want 375,000. 626 00:34:32,896 --> 00:34:34,811 Cody said all right, we'll pay that. 627 00:34:34,855 --> 00:34:36,683 Marv backed out again. 628 00:34:36,726 --> 00:34:39,251 I'm not sure if Marv was looking for a fight 629 00:34:39,294 --> 00:34:42,558 at that point in time. He had a way out. 630 00:34:42,602 --> 00:34:44,560 He had a way out to make some good money 631 00:34:44,604 --> 00:34:46,736 and, and go on about his life, 632 00:34:46,780 --> 00:34:49,043 but he chose that path for whatever reason. 633 00:34:51,393 --> 00:34:54,875 At the town level, the people on there are just 634 00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:57,704 everyday people that want to give back. 635 00:34:58,487 --> 00:35:00,924 And to say that the people that sit behind us 636 00:35:00,968 --> 00:35:04,232 in this board room do things for any other reason 637 00:35:04,972 --> 00:35:11,544 than trying to make a difference and trying to do what's right, they're sadly mistaken. 638 00:35:11,587 --> 00:35:13,807 [Farrell] He was raising hell about Cody and the batch plant, 639 00:35:14,503 --> 00:35:20,074 Marv... actually made that better for the town 640 00:35:20,118 --> 00:35:25,732 because he was raising issues that the people on the board they hadn't thought about. 641 00:35:26,602 --> 00:35:29,910 So he'd come in and he'd say, "well, what about dust?" or this, or that or whatever, 642 00:35:31,129 --> 00:35:34,132 they'd go, "Well, that makes sense to me. What do you think, Cody?" 643 00:35:34,175 --> 00:35:35,698 "Oh, yeah, I can fix that, no big deal." 644 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,789 So we really got a better deal for the town 645 00:35:39,833 --> 00:35:42,227 because of Marv complaining. 646 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:45,273 Well, after we approved it, it was, actually, I-- I felt like it was 647 00:35:46,492 --> 00:35:48,929 a pretty damn good deal, really. 648 00:35:48,972 --> 00:35:51,149 [Brower] Marv's assumption that there was this group 649 00:35:51,192 --> 00:35:53,325 of community leaders that would get together 650 00:35:53,368 --> 00:35:55,022 at the coffee shop in the morning and 651 00:35:55,065 --> 00:35:57,416 conspire about how to keep Marv 652 00:35:57,459 --> 00:35:59,592 from moving forward because he's the new guy... 653 00:36:00,549 --> 00:36:01,942 It's patently untrue. 654 00:36:02,812 --> 00:36:06,512 He was upset. He wanted to have it his way 655 00:36:06,555 --> 00:36:08,253 and it wasn't gonna go his way. 656 00:36:20,003 --> 00:36:23,703 [Brower] Marv went to California probably based on an advertisement 657 00:36:23,746 --> 00:36:25,922 he saw in a Ritchie Bros. auction site 658 00:36:25,966 --> 00:36:30,057 for this Komatsu D355 bulldozer. 659 00:36:30,797 --> 00:36:32,668 Marv bid on it and got it at a great deal. 660 00:36:37,891 --> 00:36:41,242 It's a big dozer, yeah, big dozer. 661 00:36:41,286 --> 00:36:43,331 [Brower] He then stuck it on a flatbed, had it driven 662 00:36:43,375 --> 00:36:46,204 all the way to Granby, Colorado, from California. 663 00:36:46,247 --> 00:36:49,337 He had it delivered in July of 2002. 664 00:36:49,381 --> 00:36:51,948 We're sitting eating dinner one night and this big yellow truck 665 00:36:51,992 --> 00:36:54,734 comes in town with this big dozer on it. We sat down there and watched them 666 00:36:54,777 --> 00:36:56,431 unload that thing off the trailer. 667 00:36:56,475 --> 00:36:58,564 But we were working the next county up, 668 00:36:58,607 --> 00:37:01,480 and it was midnight or one in the morning 669 00:37:01,523 --> 00:37:05,658 before we got back to our warehouse, but we took the back way. 670 00:37:05,701 --> 00:37:08,530 And they're unloading that dozer 671 00:37:08,574 --> 00:37:11,881 that night. It's just really strange. 672 00:37:11,925 --> 00:37:14,580 That thing, it's a pretty good-sized tractor. We thought, 673 00:37:14,623 --> 00:37:17,539 "What in the heck is he gonna do with that goddam thing, you know?" 674 00:37:17,583 --> 00:37:20,890 [Brower] He ended up parking the dozer up on the access road 675 00:37:20,934 --> 00:37:25,808 to the muffler property so that the blade was facing out on this dirt road. 676 00:37:26,418 --> 00:37:29,029 And he had right in the middle of the blade, a for sale sign. 677 00:37:29,595 --> 00:37:33,381 And it just sat there through that winter of 2002 to 2003. 678 00:37:33,425 --> 00:37:37,298 [Spencer] He parked Komatsu outside the muffler shop 679 00:37:37,342 --> 00:37:39,431 just to make Docheff nervous. 680 00:37:40,258 --> 00:37:43,609 That's why he bought it-- for the intimidation factor. 681 00:37:51,138 --> 00:37:53,880 [Marv] I wanted these people to learn, 682 00:37:54,489 --> 00:37:59,146 and he knew that I eventually would get to the point 683 00:37:59,189 --> 00:38:02,628 where I wouldn't put up with what they were taking away from me, 684 00:38:02,671 --> 00:38:04,673 for what they had denied me. 685 00:38:04,717 --> 00:38:07,110 God knew Marv Heemeyer very well. 686 00:38:09,722 --> 00:38:13,943 [Brower] Essentially, he becomes the victim that is then justified 687 00:38:13,987 --> 00:38:16,816 in reacting against all these people that have done him wrong. 688 00:38:16,859 --> 00:38:19,949 [Marv] We know he wants to get out of it. We know he knows he's screwed. 689 00:38:19,993 --> 00:38:22,430 Let's really screw him, you know. 690 00:38:22,474 --> 00:38:24,824 That's exactly what their attitude was. 691 00:38:24,867 --> 00:38:28,262 And, and they did. I had no choice. 692 00:38:28,306 --> 00:38:29,872 What was I supposed to do? 693 00:38:32,005 --> 00:38:36,183 [Brower] The allegation is that somehow the town ruined Marv's business-- 694 00:38:36,226 --> 00:38:38,446 the town didn't do anything to shut him down. 695 00:38:38,490 --> 00:38:41,188 He still had access to his property. 696 00:38:41,231 --> 00:38:44,409 Marv just on his own decided to completely shut down his muffler shop 697 00:38:44,452 --> 00:38:46,106 and put it all up to auction. 698 00:38:47,629 --> 00:38:51,329 [Marv] You know, God has his timing, his plans made out. 699 00:38:51,938 --> 00:38:54,027 And it looks like it's going to be 700 00:38:54,070 --> 00:38:56,421 because the one thing that I have wanted to do 701 00:38:56,464 --> 00:38:59,598 is get caught. I had hoped that somebody would catch me 702 00:38:59,641 --> 00:39:01,600 and that this whole thing would stop. 703 00:39:02,209 --> 00:39:04,385 And that would be a good sign for me not to do it. 704 00:39:06,518 --> 00:39:08,911 [Brower] So Marv conducted the auction of all the materials 705 00:39:08,955 --> 00:39:11,784 relating to his shop. Included in the items 706 00:39:11,827 --> 00:39:14,177 he was gonna auction was this dozer. 707 00:39:14,917 --> 00:39:17,790 [Marv] This Komatsu was in excellent condition. 708 00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:21,968 I was willing at the auction to take 33,000 for it. 709 00:39:22,577 --> 00:39:26,059 Couldn't get a bid, so I kept the dozer. 710 00:39:26,668 --> 00:39:30,498 And it also is unique how I had five things 711 00:39:30,542 --> 00:39:32,979 at the auction and they sold. 712 00:39:33,675 --> 00:39:35,373 But what two things did I keep? 713 00:39:35,982 --> 00:39:39,072 The Komatsu dozer and the property. 714 00:39:39,115 --> 00:39:41,335 If they would have bought it at that auction 715 00:39:41,379 --> 00:39:45,295 of 450,000, I would have walked away, 716 00:39:46,166 --> 00:39:48,777 but there wasn't one bid. 717 00:39:50,213 --> 00:39:52,346 So stop and think about this: 718 00:39:53,086 --> 00:39:56,437 I wasn't supposed to walk away from this 719 00:39:56,481 --> 00:39:59,222 because the Komatsu was still there. 720 00:40:06,621 --> 00:40:09,276 [Trisha] You know I had quit smoking for nine years 721 00:40:09,319 --> 00:40:11,583 and I'd become this closet smoker, you know. 722 00:40:11,626 --> 00:40:14,107 I'd sneak them, which is ridiculous, I know. 723 00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:17,023 And he, uh, he didn't like that 724 00:40:18,024 --> 00:40:20,243 and we got into an argument about it. 725 00:40:20,287 --> 00:40:22,376 That's when things went downhill, 726 00:40:23,551 --> 00:40:25,553 and then we quit seeing each other. 727 00:40:26,424 --> 00:40:30,036 It was maybe easier to, to break it up, you know. 728 00:40:32,430 --> 00:40:36,477 I don't know the details, but just him talking about her, 729 00:40:38,436 --> 00:40:42,178 he was very in love with her. I knew that. 730 00:40:42,222 --> 00:40:45,181 [man] Is it possible that he felt stronger about you than you did him? 731 00:40:53,146 --> 00:40:56,018 [Brower] Marv was still perplexed about what to do with his property. 732 00:40:56,062 --> 00:40:59,500 Travis Busse and his partner were owners of the trash company. 733 00:40:59,544 --> 00:41:02,590 They had negotiated with Marv to lease his two acres 734 00:41:02,634 --> 00:41:05,375 as a staging point for their trucks. 735 00:41:05,419 --> 00:41:09,336 And I was trying to look for an area where it was more commercial, 736 00:41:09,379 --> 00:41:12,513 than I could actually have a garage that I could keep my trucks in the winter. 737 00:41:12,557 --> 00:41:15,473 He had the perfect building right there in town. 738 00:41:15,516 --> 00:41:19,389 [Marv] What was unique is I find out that the dozer 739 00:41:19,433 --> 00:41:21,827 is two inches shorter 740 00:41:21,870 --> 00:41:23,176 than 12 feet, 741 00:41:23,219 --> 00:41:25,004 one inch narrower 742 00:41:25,047 --> 00:41:26,440 than the door. 743 00:41:26,484 --> 00:41:28,616 So I said let's put it inside 744 00:41:28,660 --> 00:41:30,531 because then I can build it 745 00:41:30,575 --> 00:41:32,577 to do what I am supposed to do. 746 00:41:33,708 --> 00:41:36,929 The Komatsu just barely fit through the door. 747 00:41:38,713 --> 00:41:43,413 [Marv] Why did that particular dozer fit in the building? 748 00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:48,636 Why had I not bought one of the D9s at that Fresno auction. 749 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:53,467 So, so I'm thinking, "Well, this is good. I get it inside, now I can build it. 750 00:41:54,729 --> 00:41:56,426 Must be what I'm supposed to do." 751 00:42:00,169 --> 00:42:02,258 At that time, we were getting bigger 752 00:42:02,302 --> 00:42:05,261 and we needed a place to where we could call home. 753 00:42:05,305 --> 00:42:08,743 [Brower] Travis finally offered Marv $400,000 754 00:42:08,787 --> 00:42:11,354 and Marv agreed to sell the land to them 755 00:42:11,398 --> 00:42:14,880 for that amount. Sure enough, I think it was even within 24 hours, 756 00:42:14,923 --> 00:42:17,578 Travis had water and sewer hooked up to the property. 757 00:42:17,622 --> 00:42:20,886 [Travis] We bought it all and he basically back rented from us 758 00:42:20,929 --> 00:42:23,279 the building that he put the dozer in. 759 00:42:23,845 --> 00:42:27,806 [Marv] And this will be the first time that I've ever done something like that 760 00:42:27,849 --> 00:42:30,678 the way they want it to be done, the way they do it, 761 00:42:30,722 --> 00:42:34,595 to do it in secret, to do things behind their back, 762 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:36,989 to lie to you. I've had to do that. 763 00:42:37,032 --> 00:42:40,122 People'd ask me what am I doing? Oh, I'm not doin' anything. 764 00:42:40,166 --> 00:42:44,039 [laughs] I spent 2003 in that friggin' building, 765 00:42:44,083 --> 00:42:48,435 lived there without a shower for as much as four days at a time, 766 00:42:48,478 --> 00:42:52,091 working on that dozer, getting it prepared. 767 00:42:52,134 --> 00:42:54,484 [Brower] Marv built a little sleeping area, 768 00:42:54,528 --> 00:42:57,575 complete with cot, TV, hotplate, water, 769 00:42:58,227 --> 00:43:01,753 so that he could basically work 24/7 on the dozer. 770 00:43:03,276 --> 00:43:05,974 He ended up bringing in all the sheets of steel into the shed. 771 00:43:06,018 --> 00:43:09,238 He had torches in the shed. He had all kinds of tools in the shed. 772 00:43:10,936 --> 00:43:16,811 He built a lift which could lift large, heavy things, mainly sheets of steel. 773 00:43:16,855 --> 00:43:20,293 It actually lifted 'em up and held 'em in place while he welded 'em in place. 774 00:43:20,336 --> 00:43:24,863 [McClelland] It was 1/2-inch steel. He had spacers that he put in, 775 00:43:24,906 --> 00:43:28,257 so he had two layers of steel plate. 776 00:43:28,301 --> 00:43:31,130 And he poured concrete down in between them. 777 00:43:31,173 --> 00:43:34,133 [Travis] And then lifted the outer shell of that dozer. 778 00:43:34,176 --> 00:43:36,483 So that made it a super fortified gap. 779 00:43:37,353 --> 00:43:40,313 He was working on it at night, sleeping during the day, so, 780 00:43:40,356 --> 00:43:44,665 but you'd think somebody would've known what was going on down there. But, evidently... 781 00:43:45,710 --> 00:43:49,148 [Brower] And he put in surveillance cameras on the outside of the shed, 782 00:43:49,191 --> 00:43:51,846 hooked up to monitors he had on inside of the shed. 783 00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:54,414 I think he kind of watched us and our schedule, 784 00:43:54,457 --> 00:43:57,722 so he knew that basically when we left at five or six at night 785 00:43:57,765 --> 00:43:59,811 he was free to work and make noise. 786 00:44:01,943 --> 00:44:04,990 [Marv] I don't understand. I guess I'm a dumb, I'm a dumb person. 787 00:44:05,033 --> 00:44:08,297 I'm not as witty as some. I'm not as sharp as some. 788 00:44:09,951 --> 00:44:12,650 I don't know that that's the backbone of America though. 789 00:44:13,389 --> 00:44:16,175 I don't know what the backbone of America is anymore. 790 00:44:16,218 --> 00:44:18,307 I did my buying that property-- 791 00:44:18,351 --> 00:44:21,659 you are so mistaken about the real world. 792 00:44:21,702 --> 00:44:25,184 You know, you can call it revenge... I don't know. 793 00:44:25,793 --> 00:44:28,013 Maybe what happened here, 794 00:44:29,275 --> 00:44:31,190 maybe you'll remember that. 795 00:44:31,233 --> 00:44:34,802 Marv knew he was gonna be spending long periods of time 796 00:44:34,846 --> 00:44:38,545 in the shed, and he had in there a little small video collection 797 00:44:38,588 --> 00:44:41,330 that he could watch. One of the movies he had in there 798 00:44:41,374 --> 00:44:43,768 was a Vin Diesel film, called A Man Apart. 799 00:44:43,811 --> 00:44:47,989 The hero of the movie loses his wife to a gang of criminals. 800 00:44:48,033 --> 00:44:50,818 He takes the law into his own hands, goes out there, 801 00:44:50,862 --> 00:44:54,822 shoots up the bad guys, and the movie ends with him alone, 802 00:44:54,866 --> 00:44:58,565 but he has somehow redeemed and purified the corrupt society. 803 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,091 When we purchased the property, we had to have insurance on every building, 804 00:45:03,135 --> 00:45:06,094 so we had to actually do a walkthrough through that building. 805 00:45:07,182 --> 00:45:12,361 [Marv] Last fall I had this dozer about half done. 806 00:45:12,405 --> 00:45:15,103 Had the dozer covered up with these polypropylene tarps, 807 00:45:16,017 --> 00:45:19,020 so these guys come in. "Oh, wow, what's this?" 808 00:45:19,064 --> 00:45:21,762 I made up this story. I said this professor 809 00:45:21,806 --> 00:45:24,243 was perfecting a cooling system 810 00:45:24,286 --> 00:45:26,985 which would cool the air and increase 811 00:45:27,028 --> 00:45:29,683 the performance of the engine. 812 00:45:30,728 --> 00:45:33,165 I had this whole bullshit story 813 00:45:33,208 --> 00:45:35,602 and they went along with it. And I couldn't believe it 814 00:45:35,645 --> 00:45:37,560 when they walked out the door. 815 00:45:37,604 --> 00:45:40,476 It was right there under their nose. 816 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,044 How come they didn't catch me? 817 00:45:43,088 --> 00:45:45,873 Well, I wasn't supposed to get caught! 818 00:45:47,832 --> 00:45:50,486 God built me to be here to prove to you 819 00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:52,401 that what you have been doing 820 00:45:52,445 --> 00:45:54,577 for God knows how many years 821 00:45:54,621 --> 00:45:55,840 is wrong. 822 00:45:57,319 --> 00:45:59,800 You picked on the wrong man. 823 00:45:59,844 --> 00:46:01,062 I'm not tough. 824 00:46:01,889 --> 00:46:03,848 I'm not that strong. 825 00:46:03,891 --> 00:46:06,589 What I am going to do is above me, 826 00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:10,071 and God gave me that peace years ago 827 00:46:10,115 --> 00:46:13,335 in that hot tub. I had to do this. 828 00:46:13,945 --> 00:46:16,425 That I could not do it without God's help 829 00:46:17,165 --> 00:46:21,822 that it was his strength that would spur me on 830 00:46:21,866 --> 00:46:26,305 at 51 and 52 years old to get this job done 831 00:46:26,914 --> 00:46:29,090 at the pace that I could do it. 832 00:46:30,004 --> 00:46:33,486 I believe that is why he gave me last winter off. 833 00:46:40,145 --> 00:46:42,669 He says, "Marv, you're not gonna get it done, 834 00:46:42,712 --> 00:46:44,976 go take off this winter, go play." 835 00:46:45,019 --> 00:46:47,326 It was wintertime, I'm not gonna be here. 836 00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:50,242 Everything's sold. I don't have a muffler shop anymore. 837 00:46:50,285 --> 00:46:51,591 I'm gonna go snowmobiling. 838 00:47:13,961 --> 00:47:17,573 [Brower] Marv actually really did succeed in Granby. 839 00:47:17,617 --> 00:47:20,620 He bought that property for $42,000. 840 00:47:20,663 --> 00:47:24,624 He was able to sell it ten years later for $400,000. 841 00:47:26,104 --> 00:47:29,237 And, in fact, that was the very thing he had been trying to do all along. 842 00:47:31,326 --> 00:47:33,328 Marv says in his own tapes 843 00:47:33,372 --> 00:47:35,548 that his muffler business was successful. 844 00:47:35,591 --> 00:47:38,464 It gave him an opportunity to do what he wanted to do in life, 845 00:47:38,507 --> 00:47:42,250 to enjoy his snowmobiling and still have money so he could live. 846 00:47:47,734 --> 00:47:50,737 [Marv] But you've got to do this. You've got to get this done. 847 00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:53,044 And that was my goal so to speak, 848 00:47:53,087 --> 00:47:54,959 take the winter off, relax, 849 00:47:55,002 --> 00:47:57,396 you know, maybe something would come up 850 00:47:57,439 --> 00:47:58,832 to change my mind. 851 00:48:06,622 --> 00:48:10,670 [Brower] In March of 2004, Marv's father dies. 852 00:48:12,019 --> 00:48:14,543 Marv did go up to the funeral. 853 00:48:15,457 --> 00:48:16,415 He took photos. 854 00:48:17,677 --> 00:48:19,766 In the photos you see family members. 855 00:48:19,809 --> 00:48:22,638 You see photos of Marv's father in the casket. 856 00:48:23,901 --> 00:48:26,381 Included was a selfie that Marv took 857 00:48:26,991 --> 00:48:30,385 outside the family farm there in South Dakota. 858 00:48:31,473 --> 00:48:34,476 And it's a mournful, sad-looking photo. 859 00:48:35,390 --> 00:48:38,176 A look of resignation is on Marv's face. 860 00:48:38,219 --> 00:48:41,135 It's almost as if he's saying, "I know what I am gonna do 861 00:48:41,179 --> 00:48:44,225 and I'm not happy about it. And this is my last look at my home." 862 00:48:45,618 --> 00:48:48,795 But before that, Marv had given all the proceeds 863 00:48:48,838 --> 00:48:50,840 from the sale of the lot 864 00:48:50,884 --> 00:48:54,670 and of all of his material and equipment to his father. 865 00:48:55,584 --> 00:48:58,022 [Marv] You know, it's gone. Now money means nothing to me. 866 00:48:58,065 --> 00:48:59,937 I've given my house away. 867 00:48:59,980 --> 00:49:02,200 I do not need this cabin here in Grand Lake. 868 00:49:03,070 --> 00:49:05,551 My snowmobiles, I've given those away this year. 869 00:49:05,594 --> 00:49:07,901 Everything is gone. 870 00:49:08,554 --> 00:49:11,949 What I own is just gonna be a pittance 871 00:49:12,601 --> 00:49:14,560 compared to what I am going to take. 872 00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:21,828 [McClelland] Marv transferred the sale proceeds from his bank 873 00:49:21,871 --> 00:49:24,962 in $50,000 increments. 874 00:49:25,005 --> 00:49:28,095 Prior to his father's passing, 875 00:49:28,139 --> 00:49:32,360 his father conveyed those sale proceeds 876 00:49:32,404 --> 00:49:35,668 to Marv's two brothers and sister. 877 00:49:35,711 --> 00:49:38,801 [Brower] By giving them to his father and willing all that 878 00:49:38,845 --> 00:49:40,629 to the other members of the family, 879 00:49:40,673 --> 00:49:42,892 it was one big step removed from Marv 880 00:49:42,936 --> 00:49:46,026 so that when the time came to try to get resources 881 00:49:46,070 --> 00:49:49,116 back from Marv to reimburse people who had lost, 882 00:49:49,769 --> 00:49:51,727 uh, it was near impossible. 883 00:49:53,860 --> 00:49:58,038 [Marv] This is Tape 3. It's about 10:05 on, uh, 884 00:49:58,082 --> 00:50:00,171 the 13th of April 2004. 885 00:50:01,346 --> 00:50:03,217 And I want to say that I believe 886 00:50:03,261 --> 00:50:05,219 that I am an American patriot. 887 00:50:05,959 --> 00:50:08,092 I believe in free enterprise system. 888 00:50:08,744 --> 00:50:11,878 I believe in a level playing field of competition. 889 00:50:12,574 --> 00:50:15,490 If you want to change that level playing field 890 00:50:15,534 --> 00:50:18,711 of competition to your advantage, basically, 891 00:50:18,754 --> 00:50:22,584 you give me license to do that also 892 00:50:22,628 --> 00:50:24,586 when my opportunity comes around 893 00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,068 because you are the leaders of the community. 894 00:50:28,112 --> 00:50:30,810 Through your actions, you show the community 895 00:50:30,853 --> 00:50:33,030 how things are supposed to be done. 896 00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:37,817 You have given me license through your example 897 00:50:37,860 --> 00:50:40,167 to do what I need to do. 898 00:50:40,211 --> 00:50:45,042 When I do this, that levels the playing field in my favor, 899 00:50:45,085 --> 00:50:47,653 so now we've got a lopsided playing field 900 00:50:47,696 --> 00:50:49,959 because when I come back at you, 901 00:50:51,222 --> 00:50:54,268 I'm gonna destroy your side of the playing field. 902 00:51:07,977 --> 00:51:12,286 He wanted everybody to hear what he felt about what happened to him, 903 00:51:12,895 --> 00:51:15,811 but I won't even listen to 'em, you know. 904 00:51:15,855 --> 00:51:19,598 I listened a little bit and I said, "Nah, I don't need to listen to this," you know. 905 00:51:20,338 --> 00:51:24,516 He told me in his roundabout way through life, you know. 906 00:51:25,821 --> 00:51:26,735 Lonely man. 907 00:51:27,954 --> 00:51:29,651 He would just spend too much time alone. 908 00:51:30,565 --> 00:51:32,176 That's what I put it onto. 909 00:51:33,307 --> 00:51:35,744 He spent too much time in hot tub alone. 910 00:51:41,402 --> 00:51:44,144 [Trisha] At the time I went to work for a dentist 911 00:51:45,580 --> 00:51:48,105 we ended up doing a crown prep on Marv 912 00:51:49,062 --> 00:51:51,717 and he was to come back that actual Friday 913 00:51:52,283 --> 00:51:54,807 and seat the permanent crown. 914 00:51:54,850 --> 00:51:58,506 I said, "Marv, you need to get the hell out of Grand County," 915 00:51:58,550 --> 00:52:02,075 I remember it vividly. And he gave me a big hug and he said, "Trish..." 916 00:52:03,598 --> 00:52:06,514 he said, "You are the best thing that ever happened to me in Grand County." 917 00:52:06,558 --> 00:52:08,560 I just remember that so vividly. 918 00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:13,478 And... you know, he was gonna do this thing three weeks later. 919 00:52:13,521 --> 00:52:17,873 He already had it planned, you know, so nuts to think about that. 920 00:52:17,917 --> 00:52:21,225 And I would never have guessed. You know, he seemed like 921 00:52:21,268 --> 00:52:25,098 it was so great to see him and, and it was great to have a hug, 922 00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:26,230 you know. 923 00:52:31,235 --> 00:52:34,020 I went snowmobiling with Marv a month before it happened, 924 00:52:35,108 --> 00:52:38,024 early May on Vail Pass, just he and I. 925 00:52:38,677 --> 00:52:40,983 We had plans of going again in June 926 00:52:41,027 --> 00:52:42,420 just to say we did it. 927 00:52:43,247 --> 00:52:45,205 And these are future plans. 928 00:52:45,249 --> 00:52:47,294 He wasn't done. 929 00:52:49,514 --> 00:52:51,994 And he spent a couple of weeks in Florida with some friends. 930 00:52:54,301 --> 00:52:56,738 He talked about it on the way to Vail. 931 00:52:56,782 --> 00:52:58,697 He said they're gonna get what's coming to 'em. 932 00:53:13,364 --> 00:53:16,932 [Marv] So here we are and I am at peace with what I am about to do. 933 00:53:17,890 --> 00:53:21,981 People will think, "Why did he do that? He had such a good life. 934 00:53:22,024 --> 00:53:23,852 He had a better life than me anyway." 935 00:53:24,853 --> 00:53:26,594 It's not what I deserve. 936 00:53:27,334 --> 00:53:29,380 You meddled in my business 937 00:53:29,423 --> 00:53:31,904 and took what I deserve away. 938 00:53:31,947 --> 00:53:34,515 You took advantage of my good nature. 939 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,996 Well, I think there's something you should learn here. 940 00:53:37,562 --> 00:53:39,477 For as good as a man can be, 941 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,130 also can he be as bad. 942 00:53:42,088 --> 00:53:45,352 When you visit evil upon someone, 943 00:53:45,396 --> 00:53:48,050 be assured it will revisit you. 944 00:53:49,443 --> 00:53:51,967 The Thompsons are guilty. 945 00:53:52,011 --> 00:53:54,492 The Docheffs are guilty. 946 00:53:54,535 --> 00:53:57,756 The Granby Town Board is guilty. 947 00:53:57,799 --> 00:54:01,281 The Granby Planning Commission is guilty. 948 00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,284 It took all of you 949 00:54:04,328 --> 00:54:07,113 ten years to get me. 950 00:54:07,156 --> 00:54:09,246 You got me, no doubt about it. 951 00:54:09,289 --> 00:54:11,117 I got screwed big time. 952 00:54:12,466 --> 00:54:13,902 Enough is enough. 953 00:54:14,903 --> 00:54:16,818 I have been beaten to a point 954 00:54:16,862 --> 00:54:19,256 where I'm not gonna take it anymore. 955 00:54:20,387 --> 00:54:22,694 But I don't think that's what God had planned for me, 956 00:54:22,737 --> 00:54:26,437 and he expects me to do something to those 957 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,354 who kept me now from getting what I deserve. 958 00:54:31,180 --> 00:54:33,705 God's will be done through me. 959 00:54:41,495 --> 00:54:44,977 You were cowards in the way that you dealt with me. 960 00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,024 You all along were thinking that I was the person 961 00:54:49,068 --> 00:54:51,026 that needed to be taught a lesson. 962 00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:58,120 You were going to show me how it worked in Granby, Colorado. 963 00:54:58,164 --> 00:55:00,645 How the real world worked. 964 00:55:04,344 --> 00:55:07,869 You people needed to be taught a lesson. 965 00:55:28,890 --> 00:55:31,066 [crash] 966 00:55:33,634 --> 00:55:37,246 [dramatic music] 967 00:55:54,351 --> 00:55:56,396 [phone dialling] 968 00:55:57,266 --> 00:56:00,705 - 911, what is your emergency? - This is Sherry at the trash company. 969 00:56:00,748 --> 00:56:04,926 And there is a bulldozer over at Mountain Park Concrete destroying their building. 970 00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:09,670 -It's destroying the building? Is anyone on it? -Yeah, it's encased in metal 971 00:56:09,714 --> 00:56:11,977 and you can't see who's driving or anything. 972 00:56:12,020 --> 00:56:13,370 And they can't get it to stop. 973 00:56:25,077 --> 00:56:29,081 - 911, what's your emergency? - Hi, Sherry at the trash company again. It is headed 974 00:56:29,124 --> 00:56:32,432 -for their main building now. - It's headed for the main building, okay. 975 00:56:32,476 --> 00:56:35,087 Cody had grabbed a handgun from one of his workers. 976 00:56:39,787 --> 00:56:42,747 He takes the gun up and bang, bang. 977 00:56:42,790 --> 00:56:45,576 Not only is the diesel engine screaming 978 00:56:45,619 --> 00:56:48,492 as it's pushing the dozer, but the treads, 979 00:56:48,535 --> 00:56:51,799 they're creaking and scraping as the roar of the engine, 980 00:56:51,843 --> 00:56:55,020 then there's just the sound of crash and ruin, 981 00:56:55,063 --> 00:56:57,457 because he's really knocking all these walls down. 982 00:56:57,501 --> 00:57:01,418 [Larry Thompson] The tracks are probably the most memorable thing. 983 00:57:01,461 --> 00:57:05,247 Our goal was to get the heaviest thing we could pack by hand, 984 00:57:05,291 --> 00:57:07,859 because if you can get tangled up in some steel 985 00:57:07,902 --> 00:57:09,687 you're gonna stop that track. 986 00:57:09,730 --> 00:57:12,864 We got a big piece of angle iron off 987 00:57:12,907 --> 00:57:14,866 of Cody Docheff's steel rack, 988 00:57:14,909 --> 00:57:18,435 it's probably 1/2-inch diameter, so it was really heavy. 989 00:57:19,871 --> 00:57:24,223 Our intentions was to try to lodge that into the tracks 990 00:57:24,266 --> 00:57:26,704 and get it tangled up so it'd break the track. 991 00:57:27,879 --> 00:57:28,923 That didn't work. 992 00:57:50,684 --> 00:57:55,123 [over radio] We have an armored, a very armored situation and it's getting closer. 993 00:57:55,167 --> 00:57:58,039 [woman] 301, I copy, there's an armored bulldozer tearing down the building. 994 00:57:58,083 --> 00:57:59,476 There are several deputies in route. 995 00:57:59,519 --> 00:58:00,999 At the time of the call, 996 00:58:01,042 --> 00:58:03,523 which was about a quarter after two 997 00:58:03,567 --> 00:58:06,570 in the afternoon, I was approximately a mile away. 998 00:58:06,613 --> 00:58:08,789 I pulled up and stopped my car, 999 00:58:08,833 --> 00:58:12,663 and there's a bulldozer that doesn't completely look 1000 00:58:12,706 --> 00:58:16,493 like a bulldozer anymore. I had grabbed a shotgun and 1001 00:58:16,536 --> 00:58:19,365 ran towards the bulldozer. I'm yelling, 1002 00:58:19,408 --> 00:58:23,108 I am ordering it to stop. It backs away from the building, 1003 00:58:23,151 --> 00:58:26,633 and a frontend loader approaches it. 1004 00:58:26,677 --> 00:58:30,419 And I see the frontend loader is being operated by Cody Docheff. 1005 00:58:30,463 --> 00:58:33,074 I told Cody, "Get the biggest loader you got 1006 00:58:33,118 --> 00:58:36,382 and see if you can get underneath his track to uplift him." 1007 00:58:36,425 --> 00:58:40,038 And Cody did. He backed up with a big loader and hit him. 1008 00:58:40,081 --> 00:58:43,650 [Brower] So he takes his frontend loader and slams into the side of him. 1009 00:58:53,965 --> 00:58:57,490 [Kraker] And all it did was lift the back of the frontend loader up. 1010 00:59:14,072 --> 00:59:19,512 It shook him hard enough that I think that's when Marv started letting out the rounds. 1011 00:59:19,556 --> 00:59:22,820 [Busse] Marv had a 50-caliber rifle pointed out the back. 1012 00:59:22,863 --> 00:59:25,692 He shot numerous rounds into Cody's bucket. 1013 00:59:25,736 --> 00:59:30,262 [over radio] We have shots fired. We have automatic weapons in the bulldozer. 1014 00:59:35,746 --> 00:59:38,444 [Brower] Luckily, all the rounds hit in the bucket. 1015 00:59:38,487 --> 00:59:41,142 Cody figures out where he is and he's not hit. He's okay. 1016 00:59:41,186 --> 00:59:43,667 And he backs up and he thinks, "What am I gonna do now?" 1017 00:59:43,710 --> 00:59:47,018 Shortly after that, Cody realized that that was too much. He was done. 1018 00:59:47,061 --> 00:59:50,717 That's when the officers started surrounding the place. 1019 00:59:50,761 --> 00:59:54,503 [Kraker] And I transitioned from a shotgun to an M-4 rifle. 1020 00:59:54,547 --> 00:59:58,464 And about that time I was joined by a state trooper, Dave Patera. 1021 00:59:59,857 --> 01:00:02,990 [Brower] At first, Cody speculated that there's not a human being in there 1022 01:00:03,034 --> 01:00:05,384 it's being run by radio controls. 1023 01:00:20,094 --> 01:00:23,141 [Brower] The dozer's continuing its damage. It's going in and out of the building, 1024 01:00:23,184 --> 01:00:25,926 slamming into this huge concrete batch plant, 1025 01:00:25,970 --> 01:00:29,451 essentially, knocking down all the sidewalls, just destroying it. 1026 01:00:29,495 --> 01:00:32,324 Well, at this point there's more police on the scene. 1027 01:00:32,367 --> 01:00:34,892 [over radio] Okay, I'm gonna pull right up behind him... 1028 01:00:34,935 --> 01:00:37,546 I'll go back around over the ditch on foot. 1029 01:00:37,590 --> 01:00:39,940 [Garner] I came in on the west side of the batch plant, 1030 01:00:39,984 --> 01:00:42,421 bailed out of the vehicle, pulled my rifle out. 1031 01:00:42,464 --> 01:00:45,554 And I could hear the squeaking of the tracks 1032 01:00:45,598 --> 01:00:49,167 and the roaring of the engine, the banging into the building, 1033 01:00:49,210 --> 01:00:51,256 but I still didn't see anything. 1034 01:00:51,299 --> 01:00:54,172 Once I got close to the building around skirting 1035 01:00:54,215 --> 01:00:57,392 an irrigation ditch, Marv come around the building 1036 01:00:57,436 --> 01:01:01,005 in that bulldozer and that's when I got my first look of it. 1037 01:01:02,093 --> 01:01:04,748 I don't know, I expected to see a bulldozer. 1038 01:01:04,791 --> 01:01:06,097 It looks like a tank. 1039 01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:11,493 There's this huge black monstrosity. 1040 01:01:11,537 --> 01:01:15,802 I mean almost like a WWI big boxy, rumbly tank. 1041 01:01:16,411 --> 01:01:19,806 And then the next thing you're thinking is, "how, how do you attack 1042 01:01:19,850 --> 01:01:22,635 something like this? How do I stop this?" 1043 01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:26,160 When I arrived on scene, I could hear the bulldozer operating. 1044 01:01:26,204 --> 01:01:30,469 I walked around my vehicle and saw this absolute behemoth. 1045 01:01:31,644 --> 01:01:34,865 Sergeant Rich Garner was our designated marksman. 1046 01:01:34,908 --> 01:01:38,956 I just started shooting, trying to aim for what looked like a viewport. 1047 01:01:38,999 --> 01:01:41,915 We made the decision to begin firing at the small portholes 1048 01:01:41,959 --> 01:01:44,570 that we could see in the side of this bulldozer 1049 01:01:44,613 --> 01:01:49,053 but they were maybe two inches by four inches at the very most. 1050 01:01:49,096 --> 01:01:52,360 What I didn't know was that these portholes 1051 01:01:52,404 --> 01:01:55,450 were covered with two sheets of 1/2-inch Lexan, 1052 01:01:55,494 --> 01:01:58,149 which had me wondering how he was actually driving this thing. 1053 01:01:58,192 --> 01:02:01,456 Garner stands there and takes a few shots at the dozer. 1054 01:02:01,500 --> 01:02:03,632 Then all of a sudden bang, bang. 1055 01:02:03,676 --> 01:02:05,765 I had two rounds go right by my head 1056 01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:08,681 and I was like, "Oh, I know what that noise is." 1057 01:02:09,638 --> 01:02:13,164 [Brower] Marv fired his weapons and he fired at a bunch of cops 1058 01:02:13,207 --> 01:02:15,775 that were standing behind a wall of jersey barriers. 1059 01:02:15,819 --> 01:02:17,908 [Garner] You know as we started firing 1060 01:02:17,951 --> 01:02:20,562 of course, the rounds were having absolutely no effect 1061 01:02:20,606 --> 01:02:23,043 he saw three state troopers behind 1062 01:02:23,087 --> 01:02:26,046 a stack of jersey barriers that were next to the building. 1063 01:02:26,090 --> 01:02:29,093 [over radio] Watch out. The guy's gonna come over here with a bulldozer. 1064 01:02:29,136 --> 01:02:31,922 [Garner] Instead of just going by them, he turned 1065 01:02:31,965 --> 01:02:34,272 and drove directly at those Jersey barriers. 1066 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,145 [over radio] Come over. Go, run! Come over. Come over. 1067 01:02:41,192 --> 01:02:45,152 If those troopers hadn't moved, he'd have probably killed all three of them. 1068 01:02:48,329 --> 01:02:51,985 He started proceeding eastbound through the parking lot 1069 01:02:52,029 --> 01:02:55,989 and the construction area. I had parked my vehicle on the south side of the building. 1070 01:02:57,817 --> 01:03:01,168 [Garner] At that time, Marv moved back around to the south side of the building, 1071 01:03:01,212 --> 01:03:04,781 and Glenn Trainor's unmarked vehicle was over there. 1072 01:03:04,824 --> 01:03:07,348 He put the blade up against that and started pushing it. 1073 01:03:07,392 --> 01:03:09,611 He kept pushing it sideways, sideways. Well, then 1074 01:03:09,655 --> 01:03:11,962 it caught the rims on the wheels and actually 1075 01:03:12,005 --> 01:03:14,399 stopped it and started flipping over. 1076 01:03:14,442 --> 01:03:16,227 He rolled over the top of it. 1077 01:03:18,316 --> 01:03:21,232 [Trainor] As he was heading towards the highway, 1078 01:03:21,275 --> 01:03:23,800 somebody notified me on the radio that the person 1079 01:03:23,843 --> 01:03:26,498 operating the bulldozer was Marvin Heemeyer. 1080 01:03:26,541 --> 01:03:29,849 He was not gonna stop at just the concrete plant. 1081 01:03:29,893 --> 01:03:31,459 [dramatic music] 1082 01:03:38,553 --> 01:03:42,644 [Marv] I don't think that just knowing what I am doing is enough. 1083 01:03:42,688 --> 01:03:44,864 I think God will bless me. 1084 01:03:44,908 --> 01:03:47,606 You get the machine done, you drive it 1085 01:03:48,259 --> 01:03:51,566 to do the stuff that I have to do up to a point. 1086 01:03:51,610 --> 01:03:54,700 Then you're either gonna blow me right off the fucking streets, 1087 01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:59,444 I'm gonna have a heart attack and die, the machine's gonna break, 1088 01:03:59,487 --> 01:04:02,795 or maybe, maybe it'll go all day and I'll run out of fuel. 1089 01:04:02,839 --> 01:04:05,450 I've got a lot of fuel in that thing, let me tell you, 1090 01:04:06,277 --> 01:04:08,801 to do what I believe needs to be done, 1091 01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:11,151 what God has inspired me to do. 1092 01:04:12,413 --> 01:04:14,502 I am the co-captain in my life. 1093 01:04:14,546 --> 01:04:16,809 God is first, I am second. 1094 01:04:16,853 --> 01:04:18,985 You have tried to control my life. 1095 01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:21,901 You have tried to be the captain of my life. 1096 01:04:21,945 --> 01:04:24,425 You do not run my life. 1097 01:04:24,469 --> 01:04:27,167 You do not determine what I desire, 1098 01:04:27,211 --> 01:04:29,735 what I want, what I deserve. 1099 01:04:29,778 --> 01:04:32,869 I determine that and my God determines that. 1100 01:04:32,912 --> 01:04:36,481 Not you people. No people do that. 1101 01:04:36,524 --> 01:04:39,919 If they do, then you're a slave to them. 1102 01:04:39,963 --> 01:04:42,226 I am not a slave to man. 1103 01:04:43,227 --> 01:04:45,272 I am a slave to God. 1104 01:05:06,424 --> 01:05:09,993 [Trainor] As he was heading towards the highway I began sending 1105 01:05:10,036 --> 01:05:13,344 notifications having my deputies and supervisors 1106 01:05:13,387 --> 01:05:15,737 go out and begin evacuating the town. 1107 01:05:15,781 --> 01:05:19,916 That's when Glenn decided he was gonna try to get up on top it. 1108 01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:25,878 [Trainor] I got the idea to climb up and see if I could actually gain entry. 1109 01:05:25,922 --> 01:05:29,621 [Garner] So he's clinging up and we start running along with him, 1110 01:05:29,664 --> 01:05:31,492 trying to cover him. 1111 01:05:31,536 --> 01:05:33,364 [Trainor] I was expecting to see, you know, 1112 01:05:33,407 --> 01:05:35,322 something with a handle that I could pull up 1113 01:05:35,366 --> 01:05:38,586 and open. And there was absolutely nothing. 1114 01:05:38,630 --> 01:05:42,590 You know, it was solid sheet metal from the front to the back. 1115 01:05:42,634 --> 01:05:45,028 The only thing I did see up there 1116 01:05:45,071 --> 01:05:47,421 was there was some kind of a vent 1117 01:05:47,465 --> 01:05:50,859 where it looked like there was like an RV air conditioner. 1118 01:05:50,903 --> 01:05:54,515 He takes his pistol out and starts trying to shoot into 1119 01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,518 some gaps where the air conditioner was. Of course, it does no good. 1120 01:05:57,562 --> 01:06:02,088 Then, he's up there and he's just riding along on this thing. 1121 01:06:02,132 --> 01:06:04,961 So then we started coming up with maybe getting some flashbangs. 1122 01:06:05,004 --> 01:06:08,529 [over radio] I brought some flashbangs if anybody needs 'em, this is 35. 1123 01:06:08,573 --> 01:06:11,402 [Garner] I'm throwing up these flashbangs and Glenn's pulling 1124 01:06:11,445 --> 01:06:13,317 the pin on 'em and dumping 'em down the exhaust. 1125 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:14,796 - Of course, they're going off. -[explosion] 1126 01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,190 Whoo, big cloud of smoke 1127 01:06:17,234 --> 01:06:19,149 and everything come out. No effect. 1128 01:06:21,978 --> 01:06:25,198 [Kraker] It moves out of the immediate little industrial area, 1129 01:06:25,242 --> 01:06:28,462 and the next building that it hits is Mountain Parks Electric. 1130 01:06:28,506 --> 01:06:30,421 [Broady] At the time of my tenure on the board, 1131 01:06:30,464 --> 01:06:32,336 I worked at Mountain Parks Electric, 1132 01:06:32,379 --> 01:06:34,816 so I don't know if there was some interplay there. 1133 01:06:34,860 --> 01:06:37,602 [Trainor] He spent several minutes just going in, 1134 01:06:37,645 --> 01:06:41,127 doing the damage, backing out, going in, backing out, 1135 01:06:41,171 --> 01:06:43,956 the entire time of which I am sitting up there, watching 1136 01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,177 this going on, knowing all along that he was on his way 1137 01:06:47,220 --> 01:06:50,049 to the Granby Town Hall. That was the next place he went. 1138 01:06:50,093 --> 01:06:52,486 [over radio] Let's get a hold of Granby Town Hall. 1139 01:06:52,530 --> 01:06:55,272 Start moving away everything over that way... 1140 01:06:55,315 --> 01:06:57,535 [Trainor] And that the town hall was upstairs, 1141 01:06:57,578 --> 01:07:00,755 but our public library was downstairs in the same building. 1142 01:07:00,799 --> 01:07:04,063 And there were kids and other people inside the library. 1143 01:07:04,107 --> 01:07:05,760 Midday, I had my lunch break. 1144 01:07:05,804 --> 01:07:08,937 I did start hearing um, what I thought-- 1145 01:07:08,981 --> 01:07:10,591 I mean, it sounded like gunfire. 1146 01:07:10,635 --> 01:07:12,985 And then I started seeing police cars, 1147 01:07:13,029 --> 01:07:15,553 like flying by at high rates of speed. 1148 01:07:15,596 --> 01:07:18,077 I started hearing sirens. I was hearing more gunfire. 1149 01:07:18,121 --> 01:07:20,775 And at that point, I decided to go back to the library. 1150 01:07:20,819 --> 01:07:24,431 We issued a directive to have a reverse 911 call 1151 01:07:24,475 --> 01:07:27,478 sent out to the community to shelter in place. 1152 01:07:27,521 --> 01:07:30,959 Because after the first one, we were just thinking barricade everyone inside, 1153 01:07:31,003 --> 01:07:33,223 not knowing that we were the target, 1154 01:07:33,266 --> 01:07:35,138 that there was a bulldozer heading right there. 1155 01:07:35,181 --> 01:07:38,184 And then shortly after that we got another call, 1156 01:07:38,228 --> 01:07:42,188 a 911 reverse call. They were telling everyone, "Evacuate your building now." 1157 01:07:42,232 --> 01:07:47,628 It took me until that moment to realize that my 11-year-old daughter 1158 01:07:47,672 --> 01:07:50,544 was in the basement of that building in the library. 1159 01:07:50,588 --> 01:07:54,026 [over radio] Okay, he's going east all the way to Napa. 1160 01:07:54,070 --> 01:07:57,247 [Trainor] The bulldozer came out onto the highway and pulled off, 1161 01:07:57,290 --> 01:08:00,598 and drove right into the lawn area of the town hall. 1162 01:08:00,641 --> 01:08:04,602 Well, I elected to get off at that point and did jump down. 1163 01:08:04,645 --> 01:08:08,345 [Brower] Marv works his way up around. He goes around the back of the town hall, 1164 01:08:08,388 --> 01:08:10,695 destroying the children's playground in the process, 1165 01:08:10,738 --> 01:08:13,306 turning all the little jungle gyms and swing sets 1166 01:08:13,350 --> 01:08:16,962 into just curled and twisted spaghetti in the backyard there. 1167 01:08:17,005 --> 01:08:20,531 [Riley] But we did gather up the kids and then we drove them all to their houses. 1168 01:08:20,574 --> 01:08:23,969 We got there, turned the radio on, and as soon we turned it on, 1169 01:08:24,012 --> 01:08:28,713 within seconds we heard the radio announcer say that he had just bulldozed town hall. 1170 01:08:29,496 --> 01:08:32,891 The dozer methodically tore apart town hall. 1171 01:08:32,934 --> 01:08:39,593 [over radio] Everybody now, needs to move...[indistinct] Go for three to three. 1172 01:08:39,637 --> 01:08:44,120 [Garner] From the town hall it went back out to Main Street. 1173 01:08:44,163 --> 01:08:46,687 [Trainor] We had this rolling roadblock out in front of him, 1174 01:08:46,731 --> 01:08:49,777 the patrol units and then behind him as well. 1175 01:08:49,821 --> 01:08:52,476 Somewhere during that time, Norm Rimmer shows up 1176 01:08:52,519 --> 01:08:55,653 and he sees this camera sticking out the back. 1177 01:08:55,696 --> 01:08:58,308 Then we start looking around and we see another one. 1178 01:08:58,351 --> 01:09:02,442 That's when we figured out that's how he was steering it, was using the cameras. 1179 01:09:02,486 --> 01:09:06,490 Marv placed around the outside of the dozer, five cameras. 1180 01:09:06,533 --> 01:09:09,667 He had them mounted to three monitors inside the tank, 1181 01:09:09,710 --> 01:09:12,800 so he had views of the back, front, and the sides. 1182 01:09:12,844 --> 01:09:16,195 He actually thought ahead enough that there would be debris 1183 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:19,372 and dust, so he rigged up all these little hoses 1184 01:09:19,416 --> 01:09:21,983 to a compressed air tank that's in the cab, 1185 01:09:22,027 --> 01:09:23,942 and he was able to open the compressed air 1186 01:09:23,985 --> 01:09:26,814 to blow dust and debris in front of his Lexan, 1187 01:09:26,858 --> 01:09:28,468 so he could still see where he was going. 1188 01:09:28,512 --> 01:09:30,818 [Kraker] As it's going down the highway, 1189 01:09:30,862 --> 01:09:32,559 more and more law enforcement officers 1190 01:09:32,603 --> 01:09:34,561 were showing up, people coming from home. 1191 01:09:34,605 --> 01:09:37,738 I started hearing gunfire and sirens from my home, 1192 01:09:37,782 --> 01:09:40,698 so I got my police radio started and I listening to the traffic 1193 01:09:40,741 --> 01:09:44,310 and I heard officers describing being shot at 1194 01:09:44,354 --> 01:09:47,444 and something about a bulldozer knocking buildings down. 1195 01:09:47,487 --> 01:09:51,012 I thought the best thing to do at the time was to grab my camcorder, 1196 01:09:51,056 --> 01:09:55,191 so I followed him around until he got to, uh, Sky-Hi News. 1197 01:09:55,234 --> 01:09:58,759 [over radio] This guy may possibly be going after Patrick Brower. 1198 01:09:58,803 --> 01:10:03,199 [Brower] It was a regular news day. We were working when one of the sheriff's deputies 1199 01:10:03,242 --> 01:10:06,158 tells me, "Get out of here! You're on the list." I said, "What?" 1200 01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:10,641 He then leaves the building. There's this large kinda gray, dark monolith 1201 01:10:10,684 --> 01:10:13,861 driving down the road with two police cars on either side. 1202 01:10:13,905 --> 01:10:17,430 Right when he gets by the front of the building he just takes a sharp right turn. 1203 01:10:17,474 --> 01:10:20,651 The ground starts to shake. You could hear the creaking of the treads. 1204 01:10:20,694 --> 01:10:22,653 And we were inside the building here. 1205 01:10:22,696 --> 01:10:25,133 And blam! Knocks down the front wall of the building. 1206 01:10:25,177 --> 01:10:27,048 [crash] 1207 01:10:31,052 --> 01:10:32,880 [dramatic music] 1208 01:10:36,014 --> 01:10:40,366 [Trainor] Patrick and one of his reporters are leaving out the back of the building 1209 01:10:40,410 --> 01:10:42,760 as Marv is driving through the front of the building. 1210 01:10:42,803 --> 01:10:45,632 [Brower] The ground is literally shaking under your feet. 1211 01:10:45,676 --> 01:10:48,592 It's 85 tons of it just rolling, impervious. 1212 01:10:48,635 --> 01:10:51,421 Well, we immediately start running out the back. 1213 01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:53,945 Marv continues to take the dozer back 1214 01:10:53,988 --> 01:10:56,513 and smashes into the front of the building. He works his way around. 1215 01:10:57,165 --> 01:11:00,212 [Piechocki] He just kept backing up, knocking cars out of his way 1216 01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:03,563 taking a hit at the building and backing up again, taking another hit at it. 1217 01:11:03,607 --> 01:11:06,523 [Brower] Literally, the ceiling's caving in all around us. 1218 01:11:06,566 --> 01:11:08,612 I ran out the backdoor with my camera around my neck, 1219 01:11:08,655 --> 01:11:10,440 and run up the side of the building. 1220 01:11:10,483 --> 01:11:12,964 There's a sheriff's deputy with a shotgun. 1221 01:11:13,007 --> 01:11:15,140 I snap off a panicked photo, 1222 01:11:15,183 --> 01:11:18,230 then I started hearing gunfire. I hear a few whizzes 1223 01:11:18,274 --> 01:11:20,798 over my head and I think, "This is stupid. I'm getting out of here." 1224 01:11:20,841 --> 01:11:23,235 [over radio] I'm coming. Get people out of there! 1225 01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:26,978 And then finally the entire building just collapsing around itself. 1226 01:11:27,021 --> 01:11:30,198 -[indistinct radio chatter] -[crash] 1227 01:11:31,939 --> 01:11:38,772 -[indistinct radio chatter] -[gunshots] 1228 01:11:40,121 --> 01:11:43,473 [Piechocki] There was a lot of metal on metal screeching going on, 1229 01:11:43,516 --> 01:11:46,258 especially when he's pushing cars out of the way. 1230 01:11:46,302 --> 01:11:49,479 There was a lot of screeching noises from the treads 1231 01:11:51,394 --> 01:11:53,918 and it was just kind of overwhelming, you know, 1232 01:11:53,961 --> 01:11:57,661 looking at and realizing, you know, I don't have a way of stopping this. 1233 01:11:57,704 --> 01:12:00,316 - None of us had a way of stopping it. -[police sirens] 1234 01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:04,320 [Larry Thompson] The dozer goes down to the east end of town. 1235 01:12:04,363 --> 01:12:07,932 They knew that we were on the hit list, so they hurried up up here 1236 01:12:07,975 --> 01:12:11,239 and we came across the flats up here behind the town shop. 1237 01:12:11,283 --> 01:12:13,633 And the county cop stopped us. 1238 01:12:14,373 --> 01:12:16,636 He says, "You're not going any farther. We go, "Yeah, we are. 1239 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:18,464 You can get your ass down here and arrest me at home 1240 01:12:18,508 --> 01:12:20,510 if you want to, but we're going down the hill." 1241 01:12:21,249 --> 01:12:23,948 [over radio] That's the Thompson residence. The bulldozer's headed there. 1242 01:12:23,991 --> 01:12:27,038 We need to have everybody evacuated out of the Thompsons' residence. 1243 01:12:28,126 --> 01:12:31,521 [Kraker] There's a little house owned by Thompsons 1244 01:12:31,564 --> 01:12:32,870 and their mother lives there. 1245 01:12:32,913 --> 01:12:34,350 I called her and she thought 1246 01:12:34,393 --> 01:12:35,655 I was joking with her. I said, 1247 01:12:35,699 --> 01:12:37,527 "You needed to get in the car, 1248 01:12:37,570 --> 01:12:39,355 just drive out of town. Just get out of it." 1249 01:12:40,007 --> 01:12:42,749 [Garner] Marvin Heemeyer is around Thompsons' shop. 1250 01:12:42,793 --> 01:12:44,751 The chief of Kremmling PD showed up. 1251 01:12:44,795 --> 01:12:46,710 He rolls his window down and said, 1252 01:12:46,753 --> 01:12:48,929 "Hey, Rich, I got a surprise for you." 1253 01:12:48,973 --> 01:12:53,369 In the backseat is this big, huge 50-cal silhouette gun. 1254 01:12:53,412 --> 01:12:56,546 And I picked up the gun and I let loose with it. 1255 01:13:07,121 --> 01:13:08,471 No effect. 1256 01:13:10,690 --> 01:13:13,214 [Larry Thompson] It came down the backstreet here, knocked some trees down. 1257 01:13:13,824 --> 01:13:17,088 [Kraker] The dozer ran right through the house. 1258 01:13:17,131 --> 01:13:18,785 It completely leveled the house. 1259 01:13:19,525 --> 01:13:21,222 [Gary Thompson] She did get out safely. 1260 01:13:21,266 --> 01:13:23,050 My only concern was her. 1261 01:13:23,094 --> 01:13:24,878 Thelma Thompson was asleep 1262 01:13:24,922 --> 01:13:27,315 in the house only 30 minutes before Marv 1263 01:13:27,359 --> 01:13:29,230 completely destroyed their home. 1264 01:13:29,927 --> 01:13:32,799 [Kraker] It started to destroy a construction yard 1265 01:13:32,843 --> 01:13:34,932 that's owned by Thompson & Sons, 1266 01:13:34,975 --> 01:13:37,587 systematically destroying that area. 1267 01:13:41,678 --> 01:13:43,984 [Larry Thompson] And then he turned and came over to the shop here 1268 01:13:44,028 --> 01:13:46,813 we had a lowboy trailer sitting out here, and he shoved it 1269 01:13:46,857 --> 01:13:49,076 through the wall. Then he went down the street down here 1270 01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:51,035 and tipped over another semitrailer we had. 1271 01:13:51,078 --> 01:13:52,950 He flat laid it over on its side, 1272 01:13:52,993 --> 01:13:55,605 full of truck parts. Then he went around 1273 01:13:55,648 --> 01:13:58,782 in front of her house and shoved the Xcel Energy pickup 1274 01:13:58,825 --> 01:14:00,871 through our rental building. 1275 01:14:04,788 --> 01:14:08,269 Meanwhile, this whole ridge is up here was just covered with people, 1276 01:14:08,313 --> 01:14:13,840 following him through town, watching what he was doing like a circus. 1277 01:14:13,884 --> 01:14:16,713 Then after that it looked like a war zone out here. 1278 01:14:16,756 --> 01:14:20,020 All the helicopters flying around and all the news trucks showing up. 1279 01:14:20,064 --> 01:14:23,110 And that's when he headed off down the hill, went down to Independent Gas. 1280 01:14:23,720 --> 01:14:26,723 [over radio] Hey, would you make a general broadcast all units 1281 01:14:26,766 --> 01:14:30,988 should evacuate at least a thousand feet 1282 01:14:31,031 --> 01:14:33,991 back from the propane tanks at Independent Gas. 1283 01:14:35,383 --> 01:14:37,211 [Piechocki] I was on top of the hill looking down on that. 1284 01:14:37,255 --> 01:14:39,257 All I saw was rows and rows 1285 01:14:39,300 --> 01:14:41,302 of propane tanks of various sizes. 1286 01:14:41,346 --> 01:14:43,609 You know we're not talking camping propane, 1287 01:14:43,653 --> 01:14:47,483 we're talking about, you know, industrial-size propane tanks. 1288 01:14:47,526 --> 01:14:51,095 If you're standing in the farm, looking up the hill, 1289 01:14:51,138 --> 01:14:54,098 you can see a senior citizens' home, 1290 01:14:54,141 --> 01:14:56,622 a trailer park, private residences. 1291 01:14:56,666 --> 01:15:00,844 There were a lot of homes, a lot of people in a blast area. 1292 01:15:00,887 --> 01:15:05,065 Well, Marv was by the propane, shooting at the tanks. 1293 01:15:05,109 --> 01:15:07,851 [over radio] Move back! He's shooting at the tanks! Move back! 1294 01:15:07,894 --> 01:15:10,201 He was using incendiary rounds, 1295 01:15:10,244 --> 01:15:12,638 so they made kind of a flash and a puff of smoke. 1296 01:15:12,682 --> 01:15:14,640 [over radio] He's shooting at the propane. 1297 01:15:14,684 --> 01:15:17,034 [gunshots] 1298 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,602 [Piechoki] One of those bullets could easily hit 1299 01:15:19,645 --> 01:15:22,300 a propane tank and ignite it immediately. 1300 01:15:22,343 --> 01:15:24,563 There would have been a lot of damage using these things 1301 01:15:24,607 --> 01:15:27,305 flying through the air, landing on homes. 1302 01:15:27,348 --> 01:15:31,004 [over radio] ...he's got a 50-cal, he's trying to take out the tanks 1303 01:15:31,048 --> 01:15:34,051 and transformers-- at Independent Propane at this time. 1304 01:15:34,094 --> 01:15:38,534 [Piechocki] He had a ripper on the backend of the bulldozer. 1305 01:15:38,577 --> 01:15:42,538 And when he would try to maneuver it to get the barrel of the gun 1306 01:15:42,581 --> 01:15:46,193 pointing towards the propane tanks, 1307 01:15:46,237 --> 01:15:50,589 the ripper was digging into the ground and not going down far enough 1308 01:15:50,633 --> 01:15:53,984 to allow his armor to get out of the way. 1309 01:15:54,027 --> 01:15:57,509 And the 50-caliber was hitting his own armor. 1310 01:15:57,553 --> 01:16:00,991 You can see the shells hitting the armor and bursting 1311 01:16:01,034 --> 01:16:04,647 into a puff of smoke and flame when they hit his own armor. 1312 01:16:05,430 --> 01:16:09,260 [Trainor] While one of his bullets did penetrate the power transformer, 1313 01:16:09,303 --> 01:16:12,089 none of 'em penetrated the actual propane tanks. 1314 01:16:12,132 --> 01:16:15,353 [man 1 over radio] Granby PD also be advised, Federal Heights is going to be in route 1315 01:16:15,396 --> 01:16:17,485 with their Peacekeeper on its flatbed. 1316 01:16:17,529 --> 01:16:19,662 It'll take about two hours, Summit County is also 1317 01:16:19,705 --> 01:16:22,839 -en route with a SWAT team. -[man 2] Ask them to help us get 1318 01:16:22,882 --> 01:16:25,276 the National Guard units in here, 1319 01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:28,235 maybe with a helicopter to stop this unit. 1320 01:16:28,279 --> 01:16:31,325 [man 1] You need a National Guard unit and a helicopter? 1321 01:16:32,805 --> 01:16:37,201 [man 2] Yeah, the uh, the Air National Guard or Army National Guard, 1322 01:16:37,244 --> 01:16:40,770 uh, either out of Laramie or out of Eagles. 1323 01:16:40,813 --> 01:16:43,468 And then that's when the county scraper tried to stop him. 1324 01:16:43,511 --> 01:16:46,079 [over radio] Yeah, I'm gonna try to bring the scrapers down Highway 40. 1325 01:16:46,123 --> 01:16:47,994 We wanna know where they need to go. 1326 01:16:48,038 --> 01:16:50,083 [Trainor] We had asked for a bulldozer from 1327 01:16:50,127 --> 01:16:52,651 our road and bridge department. The director 1328 01:16:52,695 --> 01:16:55,480 of Grand County Road and Bridge was Clark Branstetter. 1329 01:16:55,523 --> 01:16:57,525 [over radio] Branstetter on Road and Bridge, I've got 1330 01:16:57,569 --> 01:16:59,615 a scraper inside of where the A&W used to be 1331 01:16:59,658 --> 01:17:02,313 on 40, where do you want me to put this? 1332 01:17:02,356 --> 01:17:04,881 [Trainor] What he did do is bring in two big earthmovers 1333 01:17:04,924 --> 01:17:06,970 or scrapers from the landfill. 1334 01:17:07,013 --> 01:17:09,929 [over radio] Let's get him up here just as fast as we can. 1335 01:17:09,973 --> 01:17:13,629 [Trainor] Clark Branstetter actually tried to stop the bulldozer 1336 01:17:13,672 --> 01:17:16,327 at the top of the hill, going back up onto the highway. 1337 01:17:16,370 --> 01:17:19,460 [over radio] ...contact the station, we have a giant tractor 1338 01:17:19,504 --> 01:17:22,463 that is completely armored with iron running over 1339 01:17:22,507 --> 01:17:26,337 all vital components, including the compartment with only complex. 1340 01:17:26,380 --> 01:17:31,124 He can fire out of firing way. The driver is completely enclosed with no entrance. 1341 01:17:31,168 --> 01:17:35,041 -[man 1] Get him back! Stop him! -[man 2] I can't, he's got a dozer. 1342 01:17:35,085 --> 01:17:40,133 [indistinct radio chatter] 1343 01:17:41,395 --> 01:17:45,269 [Trainor] The bulldozer just basically moved the scraper just right out of the way. 1344 01:17:45,312 --> 01:17:48,272 [over radio] ...He's going out towards the highway! 1345 01:17:48,315 --> 01:17:51,362 [Trainor] He went back up the hill, back on to Main Street again. 1346 01:17:51,405 --> 01:17:55,671 [over radio] We're at 4th and Main, and 4th and Agate now. 1347 01:17:57,237 --> 01:18:01,502 Somewhere right in that timeframe it appears that he loses all his antifreeze. 1348 01:18:01,546 --> 01:18:04,854 There's a big white puff of what would be the antifreeze 1349 01:18:04,897 --> 01:18:07,683 hitting hot metal components from the engine 1350 01:18:07,726 --> 01:18:10,294 and there's a lot of white smoke. 1351 01:18:10,337 --> 01:18:13,253 [over radio] Copy, vehicle smoking heavily at 4th and Agate. 1352 01:18:14,341 --> 01:18:17,910 [Trainor] He damaged copycat printers a bit while he's positioning 1353 01:18:17,954 --> 01:18:21,697 to get his bulldozer facing towards the Gambles store. 1354 01:18:22,349 --> 01:18:26,397 [Farrell] He said, "Oh, he's headed for Gambles". Oh, I don't remember how the verbiage was. 1355 01:18:26,440 --> 01:18:29,487 And I just, my stomach went like, just like a ball. 1356 01:18:29,530 --> 01:18:34,579 Just clinched because I knew my life was gonna be completely different. 1357 01:18:34,622 --> 01:18:37,713 The engine of the bulldozer began overheating. 1358 01:18:44,545 --> 01:18:47,897 [Broady] I was across the street, watching as it came up the street, 1359 01:18:47,940 --> 01:18:53,772 and then watched as it turned in to go down the side of the Gambles store. 1360 01:18:53,816 --> 01:18:56,427 You can also tell that he's starting to lose power at this time. 1361 01:19:00,779 --> 01:19:05,741 And then it starts methodically just tearing apart that Gambles store. 1362 01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:20,538 [over radio] Here 33, Ft. Collins is en route with a SWAT team and an armored vehicle. 1363 01:19:21,800 --> 01:19:25,673 All units, Grand, too, we need you to move back towards the east. 1364 01:19:25,717 --> 01:19:27,937 Once again start blocking traffic. 1365 01:19:28,851 --> 01:19:31,070 [Trainor] He begins going down the side of it, basically, 1366 01:19:31,114 --> 01:19:33,290 trying to rip the entire side of the building off. 1367 01:19:35,205 --> 01:19:37,773 [Broady] The county had gotten a belly scraper out. 1368 01:19:38,948 --> 01:19:41,820 They pulled that in behind to block his way. 1369 01:19:45,302 --> 01:19:49,088 Having worked in the Gambles store I knew what a lot of people didn't know, 1370 01:19:49,132 --> 01:19:51,047 and that's that there was a basement in there. 1371 01:19:54,833 --> 01:19:58,271 [Piechocki] So he took a run at Gambles, not realizing 1372 01:19:58,315 --> 01:20:01,666 that the right hand side track would go into the basement 1373 01:20:01,709 --> 01:20:04,408 and that left him stuck, unable to move. 1374 01:20:10,980 --> 01:20:13,547 [Garner] This is the first time he's actually stopped, 1375 01:20:13,591 --> 01:20:15,941 and the machine shut down. 1376 01:20:15,985 --> 01:20:18,988 [engine turns off] 1377 01:20:19,684 --> 01:20:22,121 [Garner] But we don't know what he's doing, 1378 01:20:22,165 --> 01:20:23,427 so we pulled everybody back. 1379 01:20:24,297 --> 01:20:25,777 [over radio] Can you confirm your location? 1380 01:20:26,343 --> 01:20:27,997 Right now the dozer is at Gambles 1381 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:29,520 or what used to be Gambles. 1382 01:20:31,827 --> 01:20:37,006 One of the radio transmissions at the time is, "Get ready for a gunfight." It was... 1383 01:20:37,658 --> 01:20:41,706 where else are we going with this? It just figures we've gone this far, 1384 01:20:41,749 --> 01:20:44,752 now it's, you know, does somebody pop out of it? 1385 01:20:44,796 --> 01:20:47,059 Does it just fire from its position? 1386 01:20:47,103 --> 01:20:49,366 -[lighter strikes] -[suspense music] 1387 01:21:00,594 --> 01:21:03,336 -[over radio] We need a Grand 24... -[Kraker] We started to pair up 1388 01:21:03,380 --> 01:21:05,556 people and get some tactical advantage. 1389 01:21:05,599 --> 01:21:10,256 -[indistinct radio chatter] -[police sirens] 1390 01:21:10,300 --> 01:21:12,868 [over radio] You need to go down to Mountain Parks Concrete 1391 01:21:12,911 --> 01:21:15,131 and help secure that bridge down there. 1392 01:21:15,174 --> 01:21:16,959 [slow music] 1393 01:21:32,322 --> 01:21:34,150 [Broady] And it was a short time after that 1394 01:21:37,414 --> 01:21:38,850 a gunshot was heard. 1395 01:21:38,894 --> 01:21:40,156 [gunshot] 1396 01:21:47,163 --> 01:21:49,600 [Trainor] A couple of sheriff's deputies actually got on top of it 1397 01:21:50,166 --> 01:21:54,257 and were trying to figure out if there was something they could do, some way they could get in. 1398 01:21:54,300 --> 01:21:56,912 You know they had the same luck that I had, which is none. 1399 01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,959 [Kraker] Some SWAT teams came up from other jurisdictions 1400 01:22:01,003 --> 01:22:04,876 and attempted to breach the bulldozer with an explosive charge. 1401 01:22:05,833 --> 01:22:10,447 And they started blasting on the dozer. 1402 01:22:10,490 --> 01:22:14,146 All that did was put a, a stain on the side of it. 1403 01:22:14,190 --> 01:22:16,105 When they triggered that explosive device 1404 01:22:16,148 --> 01:22:17,933 it rattled the windows in my house. 1405 01:22:17,976 --> 01:22:20,587 It was a tremendous, tremendous explosion. 1406 01:22:21,675 --> 01:22:23,764 [Reed] It didn't even dent the thing. 1407 01:22:23,808 --> 01:22:27,072 When the second blast happened, they still didn't get in. 1408 01:22:27,986 --> 01:22:30,380 They said, "If he's not already dead he is now." 1409 01:22:31,511 --> 01:22:34,297 And they basically just brought a cutting torch up 1410 01:22:34,340 --> 01:22:39,606 and cut off the access point to this air conditioning unit. 1411 01:22:41,043 --> 01:22:46,178 Entry was finally gained some time in the midmorning of the 5th. 1412 01:22:47,005 --> 01:22:48,789 [slow music] 1413 01:23:02,281 --> 01:23:05,850 [Piechocki] Afterwards, we learned that he put the 357 1414 01:23:05,893 --> 01:23:09,288 into the roof of his mouth and then pulled the trigger. 1415 01:23:09,332 --> 01:23:12,204 [over radio] All the cars' working perimeters, everybody is still okay. 1416 01:23:13,075 --> 01:23:15,425 No response means everybody's okay. 1417 01:23:28,568 --> 01:23:30,353 [Trisha] We all rode the sleds up 1418 01:23:31,484 --> 01:23:34,487 and let his ashes fly away. 1419 01:23:57,075 --> 01:23:58,207 [slow music] 1420 01:24:01,166 --> 01:24:04,343 [Larry Thompson] Everybody couldn't wait to get that dozer cut up, scrap it. 1421 01:24:04,387 --> 01:24:07,694 I think they made a big mistake by not making a museum out of the thing. 1422 01:24:07,738 --> 01:24:10,828 That'd made this town a ton of money, a ton of money. 1423 01:24:12,308 --> 01:24:14,310 [Piechocki] They went to Blair's Machine Shop. 1424 01:24:15,702 --> 01:24:19,271 He torched the thing into small pieces 1425 01:24:19,315 --> 01:24:24,059 and disposed of the scrap steel so that no one person could get a hold of it 1426 01:24:25,321 --> 01:24:28,063 and say, "Here's my shrine to Marv." 1427 01:24:33,372 --> 01:24:35,592 [Marv] This tape's probably got a lot of emotion in it, 1428 01:24:35,635 --> 01:24:39,465 and, uh, anybody listening to it, you know, you need to... 1429 01:24:40,379 --> 01:24:42,642 uh... realize that. 1430 01:24:43,904 --> 01:24:47,865 And just take it from there, you know. 1431 01:24:47,908 --> 01:24:51,695 Anyway, hey, I hope you all have a great time and good life. 1432 01:24:51,738 --> 01:24:56,613 I've had a great life. And I'm gonna put this tape 1433 01:24:56,656 --> 01:24:58,571 and tape recorder in a plastic bag 1434 01:24:58,615 --> 01:25:01,313 for somebody else to try to figure it out. 1435 01:25:02,401 --> 01:25:03,663 Well, see you later. 1436 01:25:05,187 --> 01:25:06,666 [slow music] 120090

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