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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,046 --> 00:00:08,048 [tense music playing] 2 00:00:29,946 --> 00:00:34,783 My friend's dad was a manager at the Gold Club in Philadelphia, 3 00:00:36,036 --> 00:00:37,786 which is a strip club. 4 00:00:38,371 --> 00:00:40,039 I just graduated high school. 5 00:00:40,749 --> 00:00:42,082 I was only 18, 6 00:00:43,460 --> 00:00:47,296 and I started selling shots there over the summer. 7 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:49,883 [indistinct chatter] 8 00:00:51,134 --> 00:00:53,219 [woman] It was easy money, 9 00:00:53,302 --> 00:00:56,305 and there were a lot of drugs around all the time. 10 00:00:57,473 --> 00:01:00,601 One night, I was approached by a man, 11 00:01:00,685 --> 00:01:02,478 and he was feeding me cocaine. 12 00:01:03,813 --> 00:01:07,067 And he told me that "there's way more where this came from," 13 00:01:07,150 --> 00:01:10,278 and "there's the opportunity for you to make a lot of money." 14 00:01:11,153 --> 00:01:13,656 He told me that I'd be selling his friend cocaine 15 00:01:14,323 --> 00:01:15,450 and then by the end of it, 16 00:01:15,533 --> 00:01:18,243 I would make money off of that transaction. 17 00:01:18,870 --> 00:01:23,207 My motivation that night was quick money and quick drugs. 18 00:01:23,290 --> 00:01:25,585 So I was like, "Absolutely." 19 00:01:26,335 --> 00:01:28,712 His friend introduced himself as John. 20 00:01:29,254 --> 00:01:34,885 He was a very tall, kind of heavyset, middle-aged man. 21 00:01:36,471 --> 00:01:38,680 And then John and I left. 22 00:01:38,765 --> 00:01:40,140 [sinister music playing] 23 00:01:40,224 --> 00:01:42,227 [suspenseful music playing] 24 00:01:44,436 --> 00:01:46,605 [woman] Once we were alone and in the car, 25 00:01:46,688 --> 00:01:50,609 he started going off about pedophilic fantasies 26 00:01:51,152 --> 00:01:53,530 and asked me about my young friends, 27 00:01:53,612 --> 00:01:56,448 if I could show him pictures of my young friends, 28 00:01:56,533 --> 00:01:58,200 what's the youngest friend I have. 29 00:01:58,283 --> 00:02:02,037 Inquired about not only just, like, young girls but young boys too. 30 00:02:03,289 --> 00:02:05,582 That's when I realized what this is. 31 00:02:07,001 --> 00:02:10,045 It's not just me selling drugs. It's also me selling sex. 32 00:02:11,421 --> 00:02:16,301 So I was doing everything in my power to just not touch him. 33 00:02:16,885 --> 00:02:20,306 It made me feel quite uneasy. 34 00:02:21,890 --> 00:02:24,102 And then we arrived at the townhome. 35 00:02:24,185 --> 00:02:26,187 [eerie music playing] 36 00:02:27,604 --> 00:02:30,775 When we entered, there was mail on the floor. 37 00:02:30,859 --> 00:02:34,069 There was nothing on the walls. There was no furniture. 38 00:02:34,778 --> 00:02:39,908 But there were two beach chairs, and there was a milk crate turned over, 39 00:02:40,659 --> 00:02:42,620 and then there was the television. 40 00:02:42,704 --> 00:02:45,581 It was playing a porn going on repeat. 41 00:02:45,664 --> 00:02:46,707 [static humming] 42 00:02:46,790 --> 00:02:49,252 [woman] So he says, "Bust out the cocaine there." 43 00:02:49,335 --> 00:02:51,461 "I'm going to go upstairs really quick." 44 00:02:51,545 --> 00:02:53,673 So I'm, like, weighing out an eight ball, 45 00:02:54,674 --> 00:02:58,385 and I could hear him making noise upstairs. 46 00:02:59,469 --> 00:03:05,727 But then I hear some kind of, like, human-sized like scrumpling going on. 47 00:03:05,810 --> 00:03:07,187 [thudding] 48 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:10,814 [woman] It sounded like someone was moving around in a room. 49 00:03:11,983 --> 00:03:14,443 I was like, "Someone else is here." 50 00:03:14,526 --> 00:03:17,906 [footsteps treading] 51 00:03:17,989 --> 00:03:19,199 [clattering] 52 00:03:19,282 --> 00:03:22,367 Maybe they were trying to get attention. 53 00:03:22,451 --> 00:03:23,953 [suspenseful music playing] 54 00:03:24,037 --> 00:03:27,289 [woman] I'm kind of out of my body at this moment. 55 00:03:27,372 --> 00:03:30,001 Felt like something out of a horror movie. 56 00:03:30,668 --> 00:03:32,795 Whatever it was, it freaked me out. 57 00:03:32,878 --> 00:03:34,963 I was ripped back to my body. 58 00:03:35,673 --> 00:03:40,010 I put everything back in my bag. I had a Taser. 59 00:03:40,969 --> 00:03:42,805 I'm like running towards the door. 60 00:03:43,555 --> 00:03:45,641 He comes barreling down the stairs, 61 00:03:47,060 --> 00:03:51,230 and I grab the Taser, and I put it up to the flesh of his neck. 62 00:03:56,401 --> 00:03:57,778 Everything in me just says, 63 00:03:57,861 --> 00:04:02,991 "This is the moment that you make a decision to possibly save your life." 64 00:04:03,075 --> 00:04:05,078 [melancholy music playing] 65 00:04:15,379 --> 00:04:17,382 [waves crashing] 66 00:04:19,716 --> 00:04:21,134 [somber music playing] 67 00:04:21,218 --> 00:04:22,302 [police siren wailing] 68 00:04:22,387 --> 00:04:23,971 [Kolker] By 2022, 69 00:04:24,055 --> 00:04:27,225 things have really changed in law enforcement in Suffolk County. 70 00:04:27,934 --> 00:04:31,521 Burke and Spota have been prosecuted and convicted, 71 00:04:33,230 --> 00:04:35,191 but the case has been going on for so long 72 00:04:35,274 --> 00:04:38,860 that there's a real question about whether anything new is going to happen. 73 00:04:39,737 --> 00:04:42,990 It's been 12 years since the Gilgo Four were found. 74 00:04:43,074 --> 00:04:46,911 It's been 11 and a half years since all the other sets of remains were found. 75 00:04:48,288 --> 00:04:49,788 The case is still unsolved. 76 00:04:50,665 --> 00:04:52,625 But then there's another changing of the guard. 77 00:04:52,709 --> 00:04:54,418 [invigorating music playing] 78 00:04:54,502 --> 00:04:57,045 [Kolker] Geraldine Hart steps down. 79 00:04:57,963 --> 00:05:00,675 [Hart] When I decided to leave the Suffolk County Police Department, 80 00:05:01,175 --> 00:05:05,262 part of the difficult part of the decision was leaving Gilgo unresolved. 81 00:05:06,014 --> 00:05:08,557 I think the best way to describe it is a puzzle, right? 82 00:05:08,641 --> 00:05:12,144 And there were a lot of pieces put in the puzzle during my time in that office. 83 00:05:12,937 --> 00:05:16,024 But there was the hope that the new commissioner and their team 84 00:05:16,106 --> 00:05:18,233 could put that final piece in. 85 00:05:19,819 --> 00:05:21,903 [Kolker] Rodney Harrison, the new commissioner, 86 00:05:21,987 --> 00:05:26,408 he's an outsider from New York City and knows how cases get cleared, 87 00:05:26,492 --> 00:05:30,120 and that's through collaboration and partnerships. 88 00:05:30,704 --> 00:05:32,874 [reporter] Suffolk County Police Commissioner announces 89 00:05:32,956 --> 00:05:34,500 that he's forming a task force 90 00:05:34,584 --> 00:05:37,836 to get to the bottom of the Gilgo Beach murders. 91 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,632 I put a team together of Suffolk County District Attorney's Office. 92 00:05:41,716 --> 00:05:44,302 We're working with the state police. We got FBI on board. 93 00:05:44,384 --> 00:05:46,262 We even have the sheriffs helping out. 94 00:05:46,346 --> 00:05:49,766 I truly believe that we're going to get down to the bottom 95 00:05:49,848 --> 00:05:51,600 of who committed these crimes. 96 00:05:52,685 --> 00:05:55,562 [Kolker] There is a new district attorney, Ray Tierney. 97 00:05:55,646 --> 00:05:57,731 He's a local guy, and he actually worked 98 00:05:57,814 --> 00:06:00,442 in the district attorney's office early in his career 99 00:06:00,526 --> 00:06:02,653 before Tom Spota was in charge. 100 00:06:03,862 --> 00:06:08,451 [Tierney] I took office January of 2022, and we sort of hit the ground running. 101 00:06:08,951 --> 00:06:12,038 Of course, when we got there, it was about 12 years in the making, 102 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:13,831 so a tremendous amount of materials. 103 00:06:15,665 --> 00:06:16,875 The first thing we did is, 104 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:19,629 we started digitalizing all the evidence in the case 105 00:06:19,711 --> 00:06:21,172 so you could make it searchable. 106 00:06:21,755 --> 00:06:24,216 [Kolker] Now that they could actually search for things, 107 00:06:24,300 --> 00:06:27,261 and they started looking at clues and evidence and interviews 108 00:06:27,345 --> 00:06:30,055 that some people hadn't laid eyes on for years. 109 00:06:31,182 --> 00:06:33,308 They hit on something right away. 110 00:06:34,310 --> 00:06:39,774 Police reports from Amber Costello's house shortly after the investigation begins. 111 00:06:39,856 --> 00:06:42,067 -[suspenseful music playing] -[thunder rumbling] 112 00:06:42,610 --> 00:06:43,444 [engine starting] 113 00:06:43,528 --> 00:06:47,031 There was this interaction with, uh, one of her clients 114 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:48,574 who was described as an ogre, 115 00:06:48,658 --> 00:06:51,661 um, very large individual, 6'4", 6'6", 116 00:06:51,744 --> 00:06:55,622 glasses, uh, kind of bushy hair, uh, and that he was driving 117 00:06:55,706 --> 00:06:59,334 this first-generation, dark-colored Chevy Avalanche. 118 00:07:01,461 --> 00:07:05,132 One of the investigators in the case was able to determine that 119 00:07:05,216 --> 00:07:09,762 that type of generation of Chevy Avalanche was owned by a very large individual, 120 00:07:10,637 --> 00:07:12,932 matching the physical description given. 121 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:19,939 We knew the killer used burner phones, activated in and around the area 122 00:07:20,021 --> 00:07:22,649 of Massapequa Park and in Midtown Manhattan. 123 00:07:23,692 --> 00:07:28,613 The owner of this Avalanche happened to not only reside in Massapequa Park, 124 00:07:28,697 --> 00:07:32,869 but also worked in and around the area of Midtown Manhattan, 125 00:07:33,369 --> 00:07:35,454 where he picked up some of the victims. 126 00:07:36,329 --> 00:07:40,625 [Hart] All the things that we had in mind of who this, uh, individual would be, 127 00:07:40,709 --> 00:07:43,420 each piece of information, it just kept checking boxes. 128 00:07:44,797 --> 00:07:50,218 Our first meeting in the task force was February 1st of 2022 129 00:07:50,302 --> 00:07:52,180 and March 14th of 2022. 130 00:07:53,305 --> 00:07:56,433 It was the day that the name first came up. 131 00:07:56,516 --> 00:07:57,894 [dramatic music playing] 132 00:07:58,644 --> 00:07:59,937 [dramatic whoosh] 133 00:08:02,648 --> 00:08:04,649 [eerie music playing] 134 00:08:05,401 --> 00:08:06,610 [Tierney] Rex Heuermann. 135 00:08:09,863 --> 00:08:11,865 [sinister music playing] 136 00:08:14,701 --> 00:08:17,079 [Kolker] These guys were able to do in six weeks 137 00:08:17,163 --> 00:08:19,706 what no one else was able to do in 12 years. 138 00:08:20,625 --> 00:08:24,795 They've needed a suspect all this time, and now they finally have one. 139 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:26,838 [tense music playing] 140 00:08:27,507 --> 00:08:30,384 [Harrison] We started looking into Rex Heuermann's lifestyle. 141 00:08:30,468 --> 00:08:32,470 Started working with the district attorney's office 142 00:08:32,552 --> 00:08:33,888 and taking a look at phone records 143 00:08:33,971 --> 00:08:36,139 and getting subpoenas for a host of other things. 144 00:08:37,225 --> 00:08:41,062 [Tierney] We were able to determine that he resided in Massapequa Park 145 00:08:41,144 --> 00:08:42,772 with his wife and children. 146 00:08:42,855 --> 00:08:45,774 He would go into the city. He worked as an architect. 147 00:08:45,857 --> 00:08:47,777 Then we developed this timeline 148 00:08:47,860 --> 00:08:52,197 with regard to the four murders on the burner phones and then Heuermann. 149 00:08:53,282 --> 00:08:55,993 [Kolker] Up till now, they've sort of traced the different movements 150 00:08:56,076 --> 00:08:59,163 that these burner phones that were in touch with the victim's cell phones, 151 00:08:59,246 --> 00:09:01,289 where they went at different times. 152 00:09:01,374 --> 00:09:05,001 And the plan now was to take Rex Heuermann's phone 153 00:09:05,086 --> 00:09:08,004 and check its movements over time. 154 00:09:09,381 --> 00:09:13,219 And lo and behold, wherever Rex goes, those burner phones go too. 155 00:09:15,929 --> 00:09:17,847 [Tierney] Police department as well as the FBI, 156 00:09:17,932 --> 00:09:20,768 we began surveilling the suspect. 157 00:09:20,850 --> 00:09:23,770 [Kolker] On May 19, 2023, 158 00:09:23,854 --> 00:09:27,232 they watched Rex Heuermann walk into a store in Manhattan 159 00:09:27,316 --> 00:09:29,693 and pay to add minutes to a burner phone. 160 00:09:30,485 --> 00:09:35,490 But they also searched his emails, and the more they found out about him, 161 00:09:36,075 --> 00:09:37,201 the scarier it got, 162 00:09:37,284 --> 00:09:40,913 because they learned he had set up anonymous e-mail accounts 163 00:09:40,996 --> 00:09:43,456 where he was still actively contacting escorts. 164 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,001 [suspenseful music playing] 165 00:09:52,048 --> 00:09:54,009 Which, of course, if you're law enforcement, 166 00:09:54,092 --> 00:09:54,927 you're wondering, 167 00:09:55,010 --> 00:09:58,471 "How much longer can we wait before perhaps something bad happens?" 168 00:10:01,725 --> 00:10:04,562 [Tierney] Up to this point, the investigation was still a secret 169 00:10:05,562 --> 00:10:09,107 because once a person knows that they are wanted, 170 00:10:09,191 --> 00:10:12,986 they certainly could flee, and you feel tremendous responsibility 171 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:15,990 if somebody else gets hurt, something else happens. 172 00:10:16,072 --> 00:10:17,950 Law enforcement needed to collect 173 00:10:18,033 --> 00:10:20,952 any type of DNA evidence that could link him to these crimes. 174 00:10:24,914 --> 00:10:26,958 [Tierney] We told those surveillance teams, 175 00:10:27,043 --> 00:10:30,046 "If you saw him consume something, drink something, eat something, 176 00:10:30,129 --> 00:10:33,673 and then he discarded that, whatever it was that he discarded, 177 00:10:33,758 --> 00:10:35,884 pick it up." Because we wanted to obtain a DNA sample. 178 00:10:41,599 --> 00:10:44,559 They saw him discard pizza in a pizza box. 179 00:10:45,936 --> 00:10:48,938 They grabbed it, and inside was a pizza crust. 180 00:10:49,023 --> 00:10:51,609 DNA was extracted and analyzed. 181 00:10:52,192 --> 00:10:57,030 We had five hairs recovered from the scene in December of 2010. 182 00:10:57,615 --> 00:11:01,869 So now we had someone to compare those hairs with. 183 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:09,835 [Kolker] After 13 years of investigation and ten months of following him, 184 00:11:09,918 --> 00:11:12,754 they finally get DNA of Rex Heuermann. 185 00:11:14,255 --> 00:11:17,592 His DNA profile matched the hairs definitively. 186 00:11:18,219 --> 00:11:20,221 [dramatic music playing] 187 00:11:23,765 --> 00:11:25,725 [Harrison] One thing is having a green Avalanche, 188 00:11:25,809 --> 00:11:30,230 but having his DNA attached to the bodies is a game changer. 189 00:11:31,856 --> 00:11:35,318 [Tierney] The balance had tipped in favor of making the arrest. 190 00:11:36,028 --> 00:11:37,947 So we made the decision, 191 00:11:38,864 --> 00:11:40,573 "Let's take him down tonight." 192 00:11:43,201 --> 00:11:45,745 This day has been a long time coming. 193 00:11:45,830 --> 00:11:48,707 [reporter 1] Suffolk Police announced they have arrested a suspect 194 00:11:48,790 --> 00:11:50,668 in the Gilgo Beach murders. 195 00:11:50,750 --> 00:11:53,629 [reporter 2] He was outside his architecture firm last night, 196 00:11:53,712 --> 00:11:54,547 around 8:30. 197 00:11:54,629 --> 00:11:57,298 Then as he left his offices, detectives were seen following him 198 00:11:57,383 --> 00:11:59,301 near 5th Avenue and 35th Street. 199 00:12:00,427 --> 00:12:03,722 [Tierney] Uh, it was very frenzied, very hectic. 200 00:12:04,306 --> 00:12:06,392 [interviewer] Did he seem surprised? 201 00:12:06,475 --> 00:12:07,308 No. 202 00:12:07,934 --> 00:12:09,937 [suspenseful music playing] 203 00:12:11,980 --> 00:12:13,732 [Brodsky] A mug shot popped up. 204 00:12:14,607 --> 00:12:17,610 I said, "Oh my God. That was the guy." 205 00:12:18,903 --> 00:12:19,989 "That was… That was him." 206 00:12:20,822 --> 00:12:23,743 [Schaller] The day that they caught him, a reporter called me, 207 00:12:23,826 --> 00:12:25,619 and she's like, "Are you seeing this?" 208 00:12:25,702 --> 00:12:27,663 I didn't even have the TV on, and I'm like, 209 00:12:27,746 --> 00:12:30,750 "Tell me right now. It's a fucking 6'8" giant ogre." 210 00:12:30,832 --> 00:12:33,836 And she's like, "Dead fucking right, Dave." 211 00:12:33,918 --> 00:12:37,088 She's like, "It's exactly what you said 13 years ago." 212 00:12:41,134 --> 00:12:43,178 [Gallucci] My cell phone was ringing. 213 00:12:44,096 --> 00:12:47,015 Text messages were coming through. I turned on the TV, 214 00:12:47,099 --> 00:12:49,769 and I just remember thinking in that moment, I was so happy. 215 00:12:51,061 --> 00:12:54,398 The families would finally be getting justice. 216 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,030 [Meserve] When somebody's found guilty, that's when it'll be like, 217 00:13:02,114 --> 00:13:04,908 "Okay, we found Megan's killer." 218 00:13:05,743 --> 00:13:10,581 But I think nobody wants to get too hopeful to be disappointed. 219 00:13:12,457 --> 00:13:14,418 [interviewer] If you could say something to him, 220 00:13:15,878 --> 00:13:17,254 what would you want to say? 221 00:13:18,422 --> 00:13:20,716 He already knows he's a monster, 222 00:13:20,799 --> 00:13:23,677 but just that he's not as smart as he thought he was. 223 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:25,303 [somber music playing] 224 00:13:29,517 --> 00:13:31,351 [Tierney] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, 225 00:13:31,434 --> 00:13:32,894 and thank you all for coming. 226 00:13:32,977 --> 00:13:36,649 I'm standing here with my law enforcement partners 227 00:13:36,731 --> 00:13:38,692 in the Gilgo Task Force, 228 00:13:38,775 --> 00:13:43,364 uh, to announce the indictment of Defendant Rex Andrew Heuermann, 229 00:13:43,447 --> 00:13:49,286 for the murders of Melissa Barthelemy, Megan Waterman, and Amber Costello. 230 00:13:50,830 --> 00:13:55,292 The investigation of Maureen Brainard-Barnes is ongoing. 231 00:13:55,875 --> 00:14:00,965 We are working through forensic evidence, and analyzes that are not completed. 232 00:14:03,926 --> 00:14:05,927 [interviewer] So right now, as we're talking, 233 00:14:06,010 --> 00:14:08,429 he's not officially charged for Maureen. 234 00:14:09,014 --> 00:14:11,642 How important is it for you that that change? 235 00:14:12,768 --> 00:14:17,523 It's important, very important, because I want justice for my sister, 236 00:14:17,605 --> 00:14:21,527 and she deserves justice, whatever justice may look like. 237 00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:24,779 So, I remain hopeful, 238 00:14:25,655 --> 00:14:26,990 like I've always have. 239 00:14:28,533 --> 00:14:30,536 [melancholy music playing] 240 00:14:31,287 --> 00:14:33,038 [reporter] We are in this quiet neighborhood 241 00:14:33,121 --> 00:14:34,289 live in Massapequa Park 242 00:14:34,373 --> 00:14:37,459 that has been turned into a crime scene when police descended this morning. 243 00:14:37,543 --> 00:14:41,588 That's because the suspect in this case lives right on this block. 244 00:14:41,672 --> 00:14:42,840 [police siren wailing] 245 00:14:42,923 --> 00:14:45,134 [man] The doorbell rang about five in the morning, 246 00:14:46,384 --> 00:14:49,721 and I went downstairs, and… And a police officer was there. 247 00:14:51,264 --> 00:14:52,182 And he says to me, 248 00:14:52,265 --> 00:14:55,311 "Excuse me, could you please move one of your cars from the driveway, 249 00:14:55,394 --> 00:14:57,104 and the other one in front of the house?" 250 00:14:57,187 --> 00:14:59,188 I said, "Sure, officer, but could you tell me why?" 251 00:14:59,815 --> 00:15:02,025 And he says to me, "Just turn the news on." 252 00:15:02,109 --> 00:15:06,238 [reporter] Massapequa Park neighbors woke up to the unimaginable revelation, 253 00:15:06,322 --> 00:15:10,033 the decade-long hunt for a serial killer centered here. 254 00:15:10,116 --> 00:15:11,826 [De Villiers] I went, "Oh my God." 255 00:15:12,577 --> 00:15:14,746 "I've lived next to that thing for 28 years." 256 00:15:15,623 --> 00:15:19,168 Somebody from the neighborhood that knows him well, 257 00:15:19,250 --> 00:15:23,379 came up to me and said, "What's going on?" I said, uh, "They got the Gilgo killer." 258 00:15:24,005 --> 00:15:26,508 The first name she mentioned, "Heuermann?" 259 00:15:27,342 --> 00:15:28,469 And I went, "Yeah." 260 00:15:30,678 --> 00:15:33,682 [Kolker] Massapequa Park's like a lot of suburban towns 261 00:15:33,765 --> 00:15:35,643 that are commuter towns to Manhattan. 262 00:15:36,309 --> 00:15:40,355 People who live there, they like it. They're house-proud. 263 00:15:42,066 --> 00:15:44,777 Rex is a married father of two, 264 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:47,403 living in the same house that he grew up in, 265 00:15:47,904 --> 00:15:52,576 a dilapidated house that he seemed to spend absolutely no time fixing up. 266 00:15:53,744 --> 00:15:58,289 You would assume that he'd know everybody, given that he grew up on the block, 267 00:15:58,374 --> 00:16:00,292 but he never seemed to interact with anyone. 268 00:16:01,793 --> 00:16:03,586 [De Villiers] He creeped a lot of people out 269 00:16:03,671 --> 00:16:05,714 just by his size and the house. 270 00:16:07,591 --> 00:16:09,551 Halloween, we'd buy candy, 271 00:16:09,634 --> 00:16:12,553 and kids, when they reach his house, they would cross the street. 272 00:16:13,429 --> 00:16:16,432 [Kolker] You can imagine when people hear there's been a break in the case 273 00:16:16,517 --> 00:16:18,769 that they wouldn't be necessarily shocked 274 00:16:18,851 --> 00:16:21,730 that it was the loner on the block who didn't take care of his house. 275 00:16:21,813 --> 00:16:23,649 Every time we walked past the house, you'd say, 276 00:16:23,731 --> 00:16:25,692 "Why aren't they fixing this house up?" 277 00:16:25,775 --> 00:16:28,320 "It's the only one in the neighborhood that looks like that." 278 00:16:28,821 --> 00:16:31,365 He used to say that he is an architect. 279 00:16:31,447 --> 00:16:33,866 There was times I thought he was, well, full of shit. 280 00:16:34,451 --> 00:16:37,578 Now I find out the guy has an office near Park Avenue. 281 00:16:38,121 --> 00:16:40,456 [Kolker] Rex Heuermann ran an architecture firm, 282 00:16:40,540 --> 00:16:43,126 but he wasn't the sort of architect who was, you know, 283 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:46,337 drawing up plans for skyscrapers or for dream houses. 284 00:16:46,422 --> 00:16:48,798 Uh, he was more of an expediter, 285 00:16:49,841 --> 00:16:53,511 the person who can kind of get things done through the regulatory hurdles. 286 00:16:56,014 --> 00:17:00,101 Bonjour. I'm Antoine. Today on the interview, Rex Heuermann, 287 00:17:00,184 --> 00:17:04,230 owner of RH Consultants, a Department of Buildings facilitator. 288 00:17:04,314 --> 00:17:05,441 Let's go meet him. 289 00:17:05,523 --> 00:17:06,817 -Rex. Hi. -Hello. 290 00:17:06,900 --> 00:17:08,234 -How you doing? -Good to see you. 291 00:17:08,317 --> 00:17:11,613 Likewise. I hope you don't mind, I brought my assistant with me, Norman. 292 00:17:11,696 --> 00:17:12,780 [Heuermann] Hello, Norman. 293 00:17:13,531 --> 00:17:14,907 I see it's raining out. 294 00:17:14,991 --> 00:17:16,868 -Yes. -Shall we go through to the table? 295 00:17:16,951 --> 00:17:18,494 -Yes. -Yeah, I know. You said… 296 00:17:18,578 --> 00:17:24,500 My old co-worker called me, and she said, um, "Did you hear what happened to Rex?" 297 00:17:24,585 --> 00:17:27,086 And then she says, "He's the Gilgo serial killer." 298 00:17:27,171 --> 00:17:28,588 And I think I dropped my phone. 299 00:17:29,882 --> 00:17:33,009 Rex, he had his own company, RH Consultants. 300 00:17:33,093 --> 00:17:35,636 I worked with him there for about six years. 301 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:37,931 I was pretty much his right-hand person. 302 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:42,603 Think back at all the times you were with him, alone, 303 00:17:42,685 --> 00:17:46,315 working with him for so many years, you know, it just brought me chills. 304 00:17:48,733 --> 00:17:51,487 -Tell us who you are. Stuff like that. -Okay. 305 00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:52,945 Um… 306 00:17:53,614 --> 00:17:55,656 Rex Heuermann. I'm an architect. 307 00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:58,701 I'm an architectural consultant. I'm a troubleshooter. 308 00:17:58,786 --> 00:18:01,246 -Born and raised on Long Island. -Okay. 309 00:18:01,329 --> 00:18:03,999 Been working in Manhattan since 1987. 310 00:18:05,584 --> 00:18:09,296 Rex and I would go to meetings together, we'd drive back to the office together, 311 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,131 just daily stuff. 312 00:18:12,173 --> 00:18:13,383 He said when he was younger, 313 00:18:13,467 --> 00:18:15,469 he was either working in the Parks Department 314 00:18:15,551 --> 00:18:18,555 or working as a ranger for the beach area. 315 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:23,352 So he seemed to know the ins and outs of that area pretty well. 316 00:18:24,519 --> 00:18:26,730 There was one incident that was a little strange. 317 00:18:26,814 --> 00:18:28,565 [eerie music playing] 318 00:18:28,648 --> 00:18:30,858 [Henriquez] My friend Catherine was an interior designer, 319 00:18:30,942 --> 00:18:32,944 and she went to measure his house one time. 320 00:18:34,278 --> 00:18:38,951 She said when she got to the basement that she was going to go in to measure, 321 00:18:39,910 --> 00:18:42,913 he stood in front of the door and said, "You don't need to go in that room." 322 00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:46,165 "It's just guns I have in there. I have just guns." 323 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,670 And he… That's the one room she said she never got to measure. 324 00:18:50,253 --> 00:18:53,423 She thought, "Why wouldn't he let me in that room? What else is in that room?" 325 00:18:55,843 --> 00:18:57,845 [helicopter blades whirring] 326 00:18:57,927 --> 00:19:00,138 [tense music playing] 327 00:19:00,221 --> 00:19:03,558 [reporter 1] For a fourth straight day, investigators are concentrating 328 00:19:03,642 --> 00:19:06,561 on the home of suspected serial killer, Rex Heuermann. 329 00:19:06,644 --> 00:19:10,691 [reporter 2] For many hours now, police, Suffolk, state police, Nassau police, 330 00:19:10,773 --> 00:19:14,653 they have been at his house, inside his house, taking evidence. 331 00:19:14,736 --> 00:19:17,823 We've seen them remove bags of evidence from the home as well. 332 00:19:18,531 --> 00:19:21,242 Ray Tierney, the DA, filed something like 333 00:19:21,326 --> 00:19:24,872 300 subpoenas and search warrants about Rex Heuermann. 334 00:19:25,998 --> 00:19:28,541 The police spent 12 days searching his home. 335 00:19:29,667 --> 00:19:33,422 They dug in the back, then started taking the guns out one by one. 336 00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:38,719 [Tierney] He had a tremendous amount of firearms down in the basement, 337 00:19:38,801 --> 00:19:40,804 upwards of close to 300, I believe. 338 00:19:41,721 --> 00:19:46,434 He considers himself a hunter. He considers himself a marksman, 339 00:19:46,518 --> 00:19:50,521 so, uh, I think like everything he did, he took it to extremes. 340 00:19:52,106 --> 00:19:54,192 There was no evidence that the guns were used 341 00:19:54,276 --> 00:19:56,194 in the commission of any of the murders, 342 00:19:56,819 --> 00:20:00,824 but we also recovered some personal devices, 343 00:20:00,907 --> 00:20:02,159 uh, computers, laptops, 344 00:20:02,241 --> 00:20:04,952 and although they had been forensically wiped, 345 00:20:05,037 --> 00:20:08,498 we were still able to recover certain pieces of evidence off of that. 346 00:20:08,582 --> 00:20:09,625 [sinister music playing] 347 00:20:09,708 --> 00:20:12,961 [Tierney] We saw what his searches were like. 348 00:20:13,045 --> 00:20:14,253 [keyboard clacking] 349 00:20:14,337 --> 00:20:17,215 [Tierney] They centered around the investigation of Gilgo… 350 00:20:21,845 --> 00:20:24,890 the victims, the victims' families… 351 00:20:27,683 --> 00:20:29,936 as well as a lot of really disturbing 352 00:20:30,019 --> 00:20:33,690 abuse, degradation, and torture of women in pornography. 353 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:43,115 We got his financial records, 354 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,452 we got the records of the family, we were putting it all together. 355 00:20:46,536 --> 00:20:48,413 [somber music playing] 356 00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:51,666 [Kolker] They've reconstructed the movements of Rex's family. 357 00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:55,503 In the 1990s, Rex Heuermann married Asa Ellerup, 358 00:20:55,586 --> 00:20:57,088 who was a woman from Iceland 359 00:20:57,172 --> 00:20:59,840 who already had a son from a previous marriage. 360 00:21:01,676 --> 00:21:04,721 Then some years later, Rex and Asa have a daughter. 361 00:21:07,598 --> 00:21:10,894 When did he have time alone to do these things, you know? 362 00:21:10,978 --> 00:21:14,897 How did he take women prisoner and also be a family guy? 363 00:21:15,731 --> 00:21:18,067 [Gallucci] The police don't believe the family knew anything 364 00:21:18,151 --> 00:21:20,862 about what Rex Heuermann was doing. 365 00:21:20,945 --> 00:21:24,324 Through looking at credit card records and cell phone records, 366 00:21:24,407 --> 00:21:28,119 they were able to place Rex Heuermann's family out of town 367 00:21:28,202 --> 00:21:31,748 during the time of the Gilgo Four's murders. 368 00:21:31,832 --> 00:21:34,250 Rex's family would go on vacation, 369 00:21:34,334 --> 00:21:37,503 either in Atlantic City, on vacation in Iceland, 370 00:21:37,586 --> 00:21:41,173 stay there for maybe a week, and then he would join them later. 371 00:21:41,258 --> 00:21:44,135 They've reconstructed the movements of Rex's family, 372 00:21:45,177 --> 00:21:47,346 and they were always out of town for long periods 373 00:21:47,431 --> 00:21:50,933 during the exact moments that these women disappeared. 374 00:22:01,236 --> 00:22:03,238 [tense music playing] 375 00:22:03,821 --> 00:22:05,824 [reporter] Asa, Victoria, do you have anything to say 376 00:22:05,906 --> 00:22:07,284 about why you're here today? 377 00:22:07,366 --> 00:22:10,037 [reporter 2] The wife of the man accused of the Gilgo Beach murders 378 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,079 is breaking her silence tonight. 379 00:22:12,163 --> 00:22:14,915 [reporter 2] Asa Ellerup, the wife of the accused serial killer, 380 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,670 declared that her jailed husband is not capable of the crimes. 381 00:22:19,171 --> 00:22:21,589 [reporter 3] She says she knew nothing of this. 382 00:22:21,673 --> 00:22:23,383 He also has two adult children. 383 00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:26,845 They say they're just witnesses to this and watching from afar. 384 00:22:26,928 --> 00:22:28,888 [Kolker] Almost immediately after his arrest, 385 00:22:28,971 --> 00:22:31,724 his wife, Asa Ellerup, filed for divorce. 386 00:22:31,807 --> 00:22:34,728 But then she started coming to his court dates, 387 00:22:34,810 --> 00:22:36,896 and she was issuing statements saying 388 00:22:36,980 --> 00:22:40,650 that she couldn't believe that he necessarily was the killer. 389 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,111 [reporter] After investigators wrapped up 390 00:22:43,194 --> 00:22:45,447 collecting evidence at Rex Heuermann's home, 391 00:22:45,529 --> 00:22:48,407 his wife Asa Ellerup, and her two adult children 392 00:22:48,491 --> 00:22:51,243 returned to a life they no longer recognize. 393 00:22:51,327 --> 00:22:52,703 Don't talk to me. 394 00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:54,122 Don't even say a word. 395 00:22:55,207 --> 00:22:57,291 Wanna take pictures? Go ahead! 396 00:22:58,292 --> 00:23:00,045 It was very surprising to me 397 00:23:00,127 --> 00:23:02,798 that they moved back into the home after the search, 398 00:23:03,382 --> 00:23:06,634 knowing that the murders could have possibly taken place there. 399 00:23:06,718 --> 00:23:09,346 But I also don't know if they had any other option. 400 00:23:11,431 --> 00:23:14,058 The family was seen barbecuing on the front lawn. 401 00:23:15,434 --> 00:23:17,604 [Kolker] They set up camp there and they lived there 402 00:23:17,686 --> 00:23:20,106 even though the place has been ripped apart. 403 00:23:21,441 --> 00:23:25,403 And then they start filing to try to get some of their possessions back, 404 00:23:25,487 --> 00:23:28,949 including Rex's gun collection, which seems a ludicrous thing to ask for. 405 00:23:29,782 --> 00:23:32,618 It's a very eccentric state of affairs. 406 00:23:34,663 --> 00:23:36,498 [reporter] The estranged wife and two children 407 00:23:36,580 --> 00:23:38,583 of accused Gilgo Beach serial killer, 408 00:23:38,666 --> 00:23:42,295 Rex Heuermann, stood quietly as her attorney spoke to the media. 409 00:23:42,378 --> 00:23:44,463 It's a matter of piecing their lives back together 410 00:23:44,548 --> 00:23:45,840 and how they're going to move on. 411 00:23:45,923 --> 00:23:48,718 Nobody wants to believe their family member, their dad, 412 00:23:48,801 --> 00:23:51,512 their husband would be capable of these kind of crimes. 413 00:24:01,647 --> 00:24:05,734 [woman] I woke up one morning to a beautiful sunrise, 414 00:24:07,194 --> 00:24:11,532 and my husband said out of the blue, 415 00:24:11,615 --> 00:24:14,577 "I think my cousin is a serial killer." 416 00:24:15,287 --> 00:24:16,621 My jaw dropped. 417 00:24:16,704 --> 00:24:18,164 [somber music playing] 418 00:24:18,248 --> 00:24:20,250 [Margaret] When Rex was picked up, 419 00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:24,796 the cousins were just in shock and disbelief. 420 00:24:26,506 --> 00:24:32,471 It's hard to reconcile that he was able to disguise himself so well. 421 00:24:33,846 --> 00:24:35,973 He wasn't an outsider in the family. 422 00:24:36,057 --> 00:24:40,311 He was an organizer of the family reunions. 423 00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:45,107 He was called Dear Rex, our Dear Rex. 424 00:24:45,983 --> 00:24:48,111 It's Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. 425 00:24:51,114 --> 00:24:54,784 My husband was talking on the phone to some of the cousins, 426 00:24:54,867 --> 00:24:58,121 and they started talking about stories of his childhood, 427 00:24:58,204 --> 00:25:00,248 like, "How could this happen?" 428 00:25:00,332 --> 00:25:04,752 "How did this person come out of our family?" 429 00:25:05,336 --> 00:25:10,509 That's when I started hearing more stories about Rex's childhood. 430 00:25:13,470 --> 00:25:18,933 The core of the stories were a lot of rage and anger issues. 431 00:25:20,809 --> 00:25:25,065 It was like walking on thin ice being around his father. 432 00:25:25,648 --> 00:25:27,526 You didn't want to set him off 433 00:25:27,608 --> 00:25:31,445 because God knows how he was going to react. 434 00:25:33,114 --> 00:25:39,538 Rex actually lived in the house that he grew up in as a child. 435 00:25:40,663 --> 00:25:43,333 [man] That house has not changed in 60 years. 436 00:25:45,335 --> 00:25:48,922 Growing up, Rex was a classmate of mine. 437 00:25:49,506 --> 00:25:54,134 He was two years older than me, but I met Rex when I was in second grade. 438 00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:55,971 He was very, very quiet. 439 00:25:56,887 --> 00:25:58,557 Uh, almost too quiet. 440 00:25:59,266 --> 00:26:01,268 Extremely introverted. 441 00:26:02,685 --> 00:26:07,398 I was on the playground, and at that time, um, 442 00:26:07,481 --> 00:26:09,858 he was getting picked on by three or four kids, 443 00:26:09,942 --> 00:26:10,859 and they beat him up. 444 00:26:11,653 --> 00:26:14,530 And, um, he was a big kid, even back then. 445 00:26:14,614 --> 00:26:18,285 He towered over everybody, and he never fought back. 446 00:26:18,867 --> 00:26:20,996 He just took it. He took it and took it. 447 00:26:22,247 --> 00:26:24,833 His father was very, very hard on him. 448 00:26:25,375 --> 00:26:27,335 We would be playing on the block, 449 00:26:27,961 --> 00:26:31,131 and he would be yelling and screaming at Rex. 450 00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:34,925 His mother, for whatever reason, 451 00:26:35,009 --> 00:26:40,598 couldn't leave, you know, this abusive man that everybody was traumatized by. 452 00:26:42,349 --> 00:26:45,854 And so the pipeline of trauma 453 00:26:46,563 --> 00:26:50,567 flows from one generation to the other. 454 00:26:53,569 --> 00:26:57,324 My husband went to stay, actually, at Rex's house 455 00:26:57,406 --> 00:26:59,992 for a family reunion that I didn't go to. 456 00:27:00,785 --> 00:27:05,039 And. he came back and said, "You'll never believe this… This house, 457 00:27:05,999 --> 00:27:08,835 that, you know, my cousin is an architect, 458 00:27:08,917 --> 00:27:13,798 and this house is like, you know, like a scary horror house." 459 00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:17,134 "Everything is falling apart. It's dark." 460 00:27:17,218 --> 00:27:20,638 My husband told me he was… He was really creeped out. 461 00:27:21,556 --> 00:27:28,313 If you're living in a house where you were abused and traumatized, 462 00:27:28,896 --> 00:27:32,608 I don't know, if it were me, I would want to leave that house. 463 00:27:32,692 --> 00:27:35,319 Not only did he stay in that house, 464 00:27:35,403 --> 00:27:41,076 he just kept it like a capsule of time from his childhood. 465 00:27:41,159 --> 00:27:43,161 [tense music playing] 466 00:27:45,829 --> 00:27:47,665 [Tierney] Through our investigation, 467 00:27:48,916 --> 00:27:51,752 the profile that emerges of the defendant is 468 00:27:51,836 --> 00:27:54,255 an individual very much who lived this dual life, 469 00:27:55,131 --> 00:27:59,301 where on one hand, this life that he presented to the public, 470 00:28:00,220 --> 00:28:03,013 and he would go into the city, work as an architect. 471 00:28:04,015 --> 00:28:08,894 On the other hand, this secret life that really only he knew about. 472 00:28:09,770 --> 00:28:13,857 We started to learn more about his travel and life patterns, 473 00:28:14,442 --> 00:28:17,903 which oftentimes brought him to outside jurisdictions. 474 00:28:18,488 --> 00:28:21,990 [reporter] Investigations surrounding suspected serial killer Rex Heuermann 475 00:28:22,075 --> 00:28:24,493 are expanding far beyond the Gilgo Beach area. 476 00:28:24,576 --> 00:28:27,788 His DNA has reportedly been entered into a statewide database 477 00:28:27,872 --> 00:28:31,084 to see if he's connected to any other cold cases in New York. 478 00:28:31,166 --> 00:28:35,422 Also, two locations where he owns property are now wrapped up in this investigation. 479 00:28:35,505 --> 00:28:39,425 [reporter 2] Police in New Jersey, South Carolina, and Nevada 480 00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:44,012 are investigating if he's linked to unsolved murders in those states. 481 00:28:44,556 --> 00:28:46,098 The more you learn about Rex Heuermann, 482 00:28:46,182 --> 00:28:48,351 the more you see that he didn't just stay in Long Island. 483 00:28:48,434 --> 00:28:50,894 You had to wonder if maybe he was on the hook for other murders 484 00:28:50,979 --> 00:28:52,814 all around wherever he went. 485 00:28:53,397 --> 00:28:57,067 Who knows how many cases outside of New York before we're done. 486 00:29:05,617 --> 00:29:07,619 [dogs barking] 487 00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,709 [woman] One day, I just randomly went onto, 488 00:29:12,791 --> 00:29:18,338 like, Google News and then saw this person's picture 489 00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:22,426 that was the suspect arrested for the Gilgo murders 490 00:29:22,509 --> 00:29:26,765 and started to have a, like, a visceral panic attack. 491 00:29:26,847 --> 00:29:28,849 [suspenseful music playing] 492 00:29:32,019 --> 00:29:34,230 It was like a PTSD flashback. 493 00:29:34,855 --> 00:29:37,858 [woman whimpering] 494 00:29:40,737 --> 00:29:44,531 [Taylor] After seeing that picture, "This is him. This is the same guy." 495 00:29:44,615 --> 00:29:46,867 [sinister music playing] 496 00:29:46,951 --> 00:29:49,412 [Taylor] I realized I could have died that night. 497 00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:51,705 [melancholy music playing] 498 00:29:51,789 --> 00:29:55,667 [Taylor] Then I thought, "I have to tell somebody." 499 00:29:56,627 --> 00:29:58,712 Like, this is the person. 500 00:29:58,797 --> 00:30:02,049 He is the suspect of multiple murders. 501 00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:05,804 What if there's people missing in the area that I was took? 502 00:30:05,886 --> 00:30:08,263 What if there's people that were taken from the club? 503 00:30:08,765 --> 00:30:12,101 They had just cracked who this person was, 504 00:30:12,184 --> 00:30:16,689 and a lot of guilt started to surface too. 505 00:30:17,481 --> 00:30:22,319 So I started to research a lot, trying to find answers 506 00:30:22,403 --> 00:30:25,405 if this individual had any ties to the area. 507 00:30:26,490 --> 00:30:29,201 Valerie Mack had connections to Philadelphia, 508 00:30:29,285 --> 00:30:30,787 which is where she would work 509 00:30:31,621 --> 00:30:35,500 and she went missing in the early 2000s from this area. 510 00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:39,253 Her body was found on Long Island. 511 00:30:40,212 --> 00:30:45,801 What if Valerie Mack was taken from Philly and brought to Long Island? 512 00:30:47,804 --> 00:30:51,723 This is the map of all of the relevant addresses so far. 513 00:30:51,807 --> 00:30:56,061 It has missing persons, found bodies, 514 00:30:56,144 --> 00:31:00,357 and relevant addresses of the suspect all across the United States. 515 00:31:02,652 --> 00:31:05,613 I absolutely think that there are other victims out there. 516 00:31:05,696 --> 00:31:09,284 Not only bodies that could be found or have already been discovered, 517 00:31:09,366 --> 00:31:12,744 but ones that are missing in other areas of the United States. 518 00:31:12,828 --> 00:31:14,830 [tense music playing] 519 00:31:28,385 --> 00:31:30,387 [boat horn blowing] 520 00:31:32,307 --> 00:31:35,643 [Cann] I'd never been to Long Island before my sister went missing. 521 00:31:37,311 --> 00:31:39,939 I've never had a reason to go before. 522 00:31:44,443 --> 00:31:45,528 [dramatic music playing] 523 00:31:45,612 --> 00:31:47,947 [Cann] It's been, you know, 16 years. 524 00:31:49,531 --> 00:31:51,951 [reporter 1] The suspect in Long Island's Gilgo Beach murders 525 00:31:52,035 --> 00:31:54,787 has been charged with the killing of a fourth woman. 526 00:31:54,871 --> 00:31:57,039 [reporter 2] Today, Rex Heuermann was charged 527 00:31:57,123 --> 00:31:58,875 with Maureen Brainard-Barnes's murder. 528 00:31:58,958 --> 00:32:02,921 [reporter 3] The hair found in the buckle of this belt used to bind Brainard-Barnes 529 00:32:03,003 --> 00:32:04,881 is said to be linked to Heuermann. 530 00:32:07,049 --> 00:32:10,929 [Cann] I had been waiting for this for a long time. 531 00:32:13,681 --> 00:32:16,351 Throughout these years, I have continued to hold on to hope 532 00:32:16,433 --> 00:32:18,978 that one day there would be justice for Maureen 533 00:32:19,479 --> 00:32:22,606 and that whoever took Maureen's life would be held accountable. 534 00:32:23,106 --> 00:32:25,026 Today is another important chapter 535 00:32:25,108 --> 00:32:28,028 in the long pursuit of justice for Maureen. 536 00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:32,157 It has been 16 years since the last time I saw my sister, 537 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,579 16 years since I heard her voice, because 16 years ago, she was silenced. 538 00:32:38,205 --> 00:32:39,082 Thank you. 539 00:32:39,164 --> 00:32:41,166 [melancholy music playing] 540 00:32:47,006 --> 00:32:49,384 [Karnes] Maureen was not just a sex worker, 541 00:32:49,467 --> 00:32:52,260 not just one of the Gilgo Four. 542 00:32:53,054 --> 00:32:54,430 She was somebody's friend. 543 00:32:55,390 --> 00:32:59,268 She's, you know, somebody's sister, somebody's mom. 544 00:33:00,185 --> 00:33:02,396 [girl] I'm here to speak for my mom, Maureen. 545 00:33:03,439 --> 00:33:06,401 I was only seven years old when my mother was murdered. 546 00:33:06,483 --> 00:33:09,695 Her loss drastically changed the trajectory of my life. 547 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:13,407 There are countless times I needed her and she was not there. 548 00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,326 I remember she read to me every night, 549 00:33:16,411 --> 00:33:19,413 and now I can no longer remember the sound of her voice. 550 00:33:20,414 --> 00:33:23,667 The indictment by the grand jury has brought hope for justice 551 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:25,420 for my mom and my family. 552 00:33:34,554 --> 00:33:39,433 Now we move to the second phase, prosecution of these four cases, 553 00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:42,310 as well as continuing to use the grand jury 554 00:33:42,394 --> 00:33:45,105 to investigate the other cases. 555 00:33:49,152 --> 00:33:52,779 [Gallucci] After ten years of mostly silence, 556 00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:56,366 police started reaching out to women with a history of sex work 557 00:33:56,451 --> 00:33:59,287 to say, "Do you have any experiences that could help this investigation?" 558 00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:02,582 [man] My staff has interviewed 141 sex workers. 559 00:34:02,664 --> 00:34:06,919 So far, we've had 12 women that have claimed interactions with Rex Heuermann. 560 00:34:07,795 --> 00:34:12,340 [Gallucci] They had people coming forward and finally police are saying, 561 00:34:12,425 --> 00:34:13,300 "We trust you." 562 00:34:13,384 --> 00:34:16,137 "The things that happened, we're gonna take them seriously." 563 00:34:18,847 --> 00:34:21,934 And then police were back at the Heuermann house 564 00:34:22,018 --> 00:34:23,351 to do another search. 565 00:34:23,936 --> 00:34:25,271 [reporter] Talk about déjà vu. 566 00:34:25,353 --> 00:34:27,648 We were here back in July and now months later, 567 00:34:27,731 --> 00:34:31,485 we're here as investigators issued another search warrant. 568 00:34:31,568 --> 00:34:33,695 They focused on the basement this time. 569 00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:36,449 So it could have been something they discovered last time. 570 00:34:36,532 --> 00:34:38,659 Maybe there's more evidence they found in the meantime. 571 00:34:38,742 --> 00:34:39,911 [suspenseful music playing] 572 00:34:39,994 --> 00:34:42,079 [Tierney] When we first searched the house, 573 00:34:42,163 --> 00:34:44,123 we recovered his computer 574 00:34:44,206 --> 00:34:46,833 and although it had been forensically wiped, 575 00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:50,963 we were still able to recover certain pieces of evidence off of that. 576 00:34:51,047 --> 00:34:54,092 And utilizing the evidence that we had obtained, 577 00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:56,302 we expanded the investigation 578 00:34:56,385 --> 00:35:01,349 to all the bodies found in and around the area of Gilgo Beach. 579 00:35:02,391 --> 00:35:04,684 [reporter] A developing story here tonight. 580 00:35:04,768 --> 00:35:07,480 Investigators combed a wooded area in Manorville 581 00:35:07,563 --> 00:35:08,981 on Long Island this afternoon. 582 00:35:09,065 --> 00:35:11,775 Another search related to the Gilgo Beach investigation. 583 00:35:11,858 --> 00:35:12,693 [tense music playing] 584 00:35:12,777 --> 00:35:16,655 Police start searching a different part of Long Island, way out in Manorville, 585 00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:20,492 near a set of pine barrens where some victims had been found. 586 00:35:20,576 --> 00:35:23,161 [reporter 1] The remains of two Gilgo Beach victims 587 00:35:23,246 --> 00:35:25,664 were found in Manorville decades ago. 588 00:35:25,748 --> 00:35:28,708 The partial remains of Valerie Mack in 2000 589 00:35:28,793 --> 00:35:32,380 and the partial remains of Jessica Taylor in 2003. 590 00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:37,467 The rest of their remains were later found along Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach. 591 00:35:38,177 --> 00:35:40,471 [reporter 2] Law enforcement officials are tight-lipped, 592 00:35:40,554 --> 00:35:42,514 but say this is a joint investigation 593 00:35:42,597 --> 00:35:45,016 between the Suffolk County Police Department, 594 00:35:45,101 --> 00:35:48,478 New York State Police, and the District Attorney's Office. 595 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:51,023 [Tierney] All of the areas were being searched, 596 00:35:51,106 --> 00:35:53,067 and it's sort of monumental 597 00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:55,402 because there's this active and ongoing case, 598 00:35:55,485 --> 00:35:57,112 but you have this other investigation, 599 00:35:57,195 --> 00:35:59,197 and all of it now is sort of happening at once. 600 00:36:00,032 --> 00:36:03,536 This is the first time police are outright saying there could be a link 601 00:36:03,619 --> 00:36:06,246 between the Manorville victims, 602 00:36:06,329 --> 00:36:09,125 the other victims on Ocean Parkway, and the Gilgo Four, 603 00:36:09,208 --> 00:36:13,461 and is confirmation that they really were looking at all the cases. 604 00:36:14,463 --> 00:36:16,798 Up until this point, police were very adamant 605 00:36:16,882 --> 00:36:20,177 about Gilgo Four being their own case. 606 00:36:21,304 --> 00:36:22,597 This is moving at a rapid pace. 607 00:36:25,974 --> 00:36:28,518 They're expanding the search into North Sea, 608 00:36:28,603 --> 00:36:32,981 which is an area that is about 25 miles east of Manorville 609 00:36:33,065 --> 00:36:37,445 and isn't an area that has been, up to this point, 610 00:36:37,527 --> 00:36:40,322 associated with the Ocean Parkway murders. 611 00:36:40,405 --> 00:36:43,367 [reporter 1] The search has widened to the hamlet of North Sea, 612 00:36:43,451 --> 00:36:49,998 where 28-year-old Sandra Costilla's body was discovered back in November of 1993. 613 00:36:50,625 --> 00:36:55,463 John Bittrolff has been long suspected in her death, but never charged. 614 00:36:56,713 --> 00:37:01,219 We wanted to look at all of these women and put all of these pieces together. 615 00:37:02,010 --> 00:37:04,597 We were working at, like, a breakneck pace. 616 00:37:05,722 --> 00:37:09,393 My goal is to bring closure to as many cases as possible. 617 00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:14,398 [indistinct chatter] 618 00:37:16,858 --> 00:37:19,195 [man] He's walking in now. He's walking in already. 619 00:37:23,449 --> 00:37:25,909 [Tierney] We're here today to announce additional charges 620 00:37:25,992 --> 00:37:28,454 in the case against the defendant Rex Heuermann. 621 00:37:30,498 --> 00:37:36,211 Those charges pertain to the 1993 murder of Sandra Costilla, 622 00:37:36,295 --> 00:37:40,298 and the 2003 murder of Jessica Taylor. 623 00:37:40,382 --> 00:37:42,385 [suspenseful music playing] 624 00:37:43,135 --> 00:37:47,431 [Tierney] With regard to the 1993 discovery of Sandra Costilla, 625 00:37:47,514 --> 00:37:50,059 there were hairs from Sandra Costilla's remains 626 00:37:50,141 --> 00:37:54,896 that are of particular significance in this case, and at that time, 627 00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:59,068 John Bittrolff was excluded as the donor of those three hairs. 628 00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:03,072 Those hairs were retested in 2023 and 2024, 629 00:38:03,155 --> 00:38:05,949 and defendant Heuermann cannot be excluded 630 00:38:06,032 --> 00:38:08,661 as the contributor of that male hair on Costilla. 631 00:38:10,329 --> 00:38:13,748 [Gallucci] John Bittrolff was convicted in 2017 632 00:38:13,833 --> 00:38:16,293 of the two murders in the early '90s, 633 00:38:16,376 --> 00:38:18,086 Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee, 634 00:38:18,170 --> 00:38:21,882 and he was always the prime suspect for the murder of Sandra Costilla. 635 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,304 [woman] I work for the Legal Aid Society of Suffolk County, 636 00:38:27,387 --> 00:38:29,681 and I work within the Appeals Bureau. 637 00:38:30,682 --> 00:38:35,980 And our office represents Mr. Bittrolff on appeal from his 2017 convictions. 638 00:38:37,063 --> 00:38:40,025 He's been incarcerated for approximately ten years. 639 00:38:43,195 --> 00:38:45,364 Sandra Costilla, at the time of the murder, 640 00:38:45,447 --> 00:38:46,907 she was living in Queens, 641 00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:49,452 where she may have been working as a sex worker, 642 00:38:49,534 --> 00:38:51,036 and even though they suspected 643 00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:55,166 that John may have been responsible for her murder, 644 00:38:55,248 --> 00:38:58,710 the physical evidence that was found at her crime scene 645 00:38:58,793 --> 00:39:00,378 was some hair samples, 646 00:39:00,463 --> 00:39:03,548 and they came back to not belong to Mr. Bittrolff, 647 00:39:03,632 --> 00:39:05,467 so he was never charged with her murder. 648 00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:09,387 Even though the district attorney had come out and affirmatively said, 649 00:39:09,472 --> 00:39:12,849 "That we believe that one person killed all three women." 650 00:39:13,434 --> 00:39:16,771 Possible connection between those two murders 651 00:39:16,853 --> 00:39:19,690 and the murder of Sandra Costilla 652 00:39:19,773 --> 00:39:22,777 is under very active investigation at this time. 653 00:39:23,693 --> 00:39:26,405 [Gallucci] All three women were killed within a three-month time frame. 654 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:29,449 All left in a very similar manner, 655 00:39:29,532 --> 00:39:32,077 but Bittrolff always maintained his innocence. 656 00:39:32,577 --> 00:39:37,083 They find no DNA connecting John Bittrolff to Sandra Costilla, 657 00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:43,297 and so when they find a hair that is later tied to Rex Heuermann, 658 00:39:43,380 --> 00:39:44,590 what does that mean? 659 00:39:44,672 --> 00:39:48,427 Does that mean Bittrolff was not lying all this time? 660 00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:52,764 [Marcoccia] There were also hairs found on Rita and Colleen's body 661 00:39:52,847 --> 00:39:54,557 that had not been tested. 662 00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:58,353 So what do we need to have looked at 663 00:39:58,436 --> 00:40:03,067 to compare to Rex to see if we can tie him to those crime scenes as well? 664 00:40:04,693 --> 00:40:09,407 I requested that the district attorney review Mr. Bittrolff's convictions 665 00:40:09,489 --> 00:40:13,744 based upon their indictment of Rex for Sandra Costilla's murder, 666 00:40:14,327 --> 00:40:16,704 and because of their longstanding theory 667 00:40:16,789 --> 00:40:18,958 that only one person killed all three women. 668 00:40:22,503 --> 00:40:26,090 Their response to me was that Mr. Bittrolff's convictions 669 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,259 are not being reconsidered. 670 00:40:32,262 --> 00:40:33,931 [somber music playing] 671 00:40:34,014 --> 00:40:36,641 [Kolker] Sandra Costilla, 1993. 672 00:40:36,724 --> 00:40:38,561 If Rex Heuermann is responsible for her death, 673 00:40:38,643 --> 00:40:44,400 that means that he spent the next 30 years living in Massapequa Park 674 00:40:44,483 --> 00:40:46,527 at large, under everyone's nose. 675 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:50,030 That's 30 years where he might have been harming other people, 676 00:40:50,114 --> 00:40:52,282 killing God knows how many people. 677 00:40:52,867 --> 00:40:58,873 He was 29 in 1993, and the next murder that he's charged with 678 00:40:58,956 --> 00:41:01,791 is Jessica Taylor in 2003. 679 00:41:01,876 --> 00:41:03,918 So that's a ten-year gap. 680 00:41:05,838 --> 00:41:08,673 Jessica Taylor was last seen in New York City. 681 00:41:09,257 --> 00:41:11,217 Uh, she was working as a sex worker. 682 00:41:13,262 --> 00:41:15,972 Rex Heuermann was in New York City at that time. 683 00:41:18,184 --> 00:41:19,976 [Kolker] It was amazing and shocking actually 684 00:41:20,059 --> 00:41:23,188 to hear that Jessica Taylor was named a victim of Rex Heuermann 685 00:41:23,981 --> 00:41:27,485 'cause she had been orphaned for so long in this case. 686 00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:30,905 On July 26, Jessica's body was recovered. 687 00:41:30,987 --> 00:41:33,824 At that time, the Suffolk County PD spoke to witnesses, 688 00:41:33,907 --> 00:41:36,494 and the witnesses had observed the night before 689 00:41:36,577 --> 00:41:39,329 a dark-colored pickup truck in that vicinity. 690 00:41:40,246 --> 00:41:41,956 [Kolker] Once again, it's the Chevy Avalanche 691 00:41:42,041 --> 00:41:44,585 that pries this whole thing open for the police. 692 00:41:45,585 --> 00:41:47,922 [Gallucci] For, like, ten years, police have said 693 00:41:48,005 --> 00:41:51,050 there are different MOs with different victims. 694 00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:56,972 But then police release digital evidence 695 00:41:57,056 --> 00:41:59,599 that adds a whole disgusting new chapter. 696 00:41:59,682 --> 00:42:00,643 [dramatic music playing] 697 00:42:00,726 --> 00:42:04,980 [reporter] We're told Rex Heuermann kept a gruesome roadmap of six vicious murders. 698 00:42:06,106 --> 00:42:11,070 This planning document crystallizes and encapsulates his intent 699 00:42:11,152 --> 00:42:12,820 for the commission of these murders. 700 00:42:14,364 --> 00:42:18,702 The planning document was discovered on a hard drive found in the Heuermann house, 701 00:42:19,786 --> 00:42:24,791 and it was a file created in the year 2000 that had been deleted. 702 00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,545 Police were able to recover it. 703 00:42:28,836 --> 00:42:31,297 That planning document was jaw-dropping. 704 00:42:33,050 --> 00:42:36,010 He had lists of equipment he needed to use. 705 00:42:36,887 --> 00:42:39,764 Tips for doing a better job the next time. 706 00:42:40,266 --> 00:42:43,811 Everything from, "try to hit the victim a little harder," 707 00:42:43,893 --> 00:42:48,648 to "try to get some rest so you have more time to torture your victims." 708 00:42:49,942 --> 00:42:53,152 [Gallucci] It makes me think about what these women went through 709 00:42:53,237 --> 00:42:55,364 before they died. 710 00:42:56,197 --> 00:42:59,867 I never considered that there was an element of torture 711 00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:02,454 or, like, this sadistic part 712 00:43:03,246 --> 00:43:07,585 that it sounds like happened before these women were killed. 713 00:43:09,168 --> 00:43:11,338 [Kolker] This is a document written by somebody 714 00:43:11,422 --> 00:43:13,965 who was so determined not just to do it, 715 00:43:14,632 --> 00:43:15,800 but to do it again and again. 716 00:43:17,135 --> 00:43:21,014 As the years go on, he starts to change things up 717 00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:24,476 and get a little bit more organized, 718 00:43:25,936 --> 00:43:28,021 a little better at avoiding detection, 719 00:43:29,356 --> 00:43:33,110 which would explain why he made sure that Amber Costello 720 00:43:33,193 --> 00:43:35,320 didn't have her cell phone with her. 721 00:43:38,615 --> 00:43:43,954 [Gallucci] He has plans for dump sites, which corresponds to the locations 722 00:43:44,038 --> 00:43:46,664 where Jessica Taylor and Valerie Mack's bodies were found. 723 00:43:50,501 --> 00:43:52,963 There's also a section 724 00:43:53,047 --> 00:43:56,132 where he talks about getting rid of evidence, 725 00:43:57,259 --> 00:44:02,722 in particular destroying tattoos and removing the head and hands, 726 00:44:02,806 --> 00:44:06,851 which corresponds to the victims later found on Ocean Parkway. 727 00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:12,315 So what seems to be the MO's of several killers 728 00:44:12,398 --> 00:44:16,527 could actually all be one man adapting and evolving. 729 00:44:19,489 --> 00:44:23,911 Is it possible that all of these cases are connected to him? 730 00:44:24,869 --> 00:44:26,163 [dramatic sting] 731 00:44:26,246 --> 00:44:30,376 [waves crashing] 732 00:44:30,458 --> 00:44:34,588 [Tierney] This is the case that matters to Suffolk County 733 00:44:34,672 --> 00:44:39,717 because of the notoriety and the interest that it's garnered, 734 00:44:40,552 --> 00:44:44,014 but to me, it's about the victims and their families, 735 00:44:45,099 --> 00:44:46,891 and what we need to do 736 00:44:46,974 --> 00:44:50,103 is find some small measure of justice for all of them. 737 00:44:50,186 --> 00:44:51,771 [melancholy music playing] 738 00:44:52,438 --> 00:44:55,650 The grand jury with regard to the Gilgo Four is over, 739 00:44:55,733 --> 00:44:59,780 but the case continues, and that investigation has been expanded, 740 00:45:00,947 --> 00:45:05,077 both to the bodies that were found on Gilgo and beyond. 741 00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:10,666 Every person who was tragically murdered in Suffolk County, 742 00:45:11,458 --> 00:45:12,668 uh, they're in play. 743 00:45:14,085 --> 00:45:16,338 This case is not over. 744 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,217 We have to prove it at trial, and we have a lot more to go, 745 00:45:22,260 --> 00:45:25,806 but just to be able to bring it to this point for them 746 00:45:27,014 --> 00:45:29,101 is very, uh, very gratifying. 747 00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:37,358 [Gallucci] From the beginning, I always felt that this was one killer. 748 00:45:38,068 --> 00:45:40,445 And it felt really good to know 749 00:45:40,528 --> 00:45:43,030 that some of the women that I got to know through my research 750 00:45:43,114 --> 00:45:45,074 were finally going to get justice. 751 00:45:46,702 --> 00:45:48,786 I feel like this is what we've all been waiting for 752 00:45:48,871 --> 00:45:49,913 for decades. 753 00:45:51,289 --> 00:45:52,291 [horn honking] 754 00:45:59,422 --> 00:46:02,717 -[woman talking indistinctly] -[Cann] I see them. Hey, ladies. 755 00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:08,514 I think us as families coming together is very important 756 00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,018 because you have people that are going through 757 00:46:11,101 --> 00:46:13,896 the same thing as you, that understands. 758 00:46:14,771 --> 00:46:17,231 [Meserve] It's nice that we have each other. 759 00:46:17,315 --> 00:46:18,442 It's very unusual. 760 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,237 You just think, "This could never happen to me," 761 00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:26,574 and now we're all families that this happened to all of us, 762 00:46:26,657 --> 00:46:28,744 and so you don't feel so alone. 763 00:46:29,244 --> 00:46:31,204 You kind of lived in this bubble, 764 00:46:31,288 --> 00:46:35,666 and then all of a sudden you kind of had this family dynamic 765 00:46:35,751 --> 00:46:40,213 that the only people that knew what we were going through was us. 766 00:46:40,297 --> 00:46:42,507 -We all grieved differently. -Exactly. 767 00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:45,969 [Funderburg] My 30th birthday marks half of my life without my sister. 768 00:46:46,052 --> 00:46:47,304 It's definitely been hard. 769 00:46:47,387 --> 00:46:49,139 It was hard when I found out I was pregnant, 770 00:46:49,222 --> 00:46:50,389 the first thing I thought was, 771 00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:54,143 "I want to share this with my sister," and "He'll never get to meet his aunt," 772 00:46:54,228 --> 00:46:56,938 and "How am I going to explain this to him one day?" 773 00:46:57,021 --> 00:46:59,358 'Cause nobody deserves to go through what we went through. 774 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,483 I was a little toddler. 775 00:47:00,567 --> 00:47:02,902 [Meserve] I think this connection with family members 776 00:47:02,985 --> 00:47:05,197 has been very helpful for Lily. 777 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,742 That was Megan's daughter. She just turned 17. 778 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:09,952 [talking indistinctly] 779 00:47:10,034 --> 00:47:15,289 In the beginning, Liliana remembered only trips to the playground with her mom 780 00:47:15,373 --> 00:47:16,500 and the laughing. 781 00:47:17,583 --> 00:47:20,503 She doesn't remember those now, 782 00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:25,007 so it's sad for Liliana that she doesn't have her own memories. 783 00:47:25,092 --> 00:47:27,385 Her friends look at Lily and say… 784 00:47:27,469 --> 00:47:29,847 [gasps] "Are you Megan's daughter?" 785 00:47:30,472 --> 00:47:32,139 -And you look just like her. -All the time. 786 00:47:32,224 --> 00:47:34,101 -All the time. -Your eyes and your nose. 787 00:47:34,184 --> 00:47:37,855 Your eyes are very dynamic, and your mom had those eyes. 788 00:47:37,938 --> 00:47:39,856 [Meserve] She definitely reminds me of you. 789 00:47:40,940 --> 00:47:43,610 [Gallucci] Some families aren't here to see this justice. 790 00:47:43,693 --> 00:47:47,739 Both Megan Waterman's mom, Lorraine Ela, and Mari Gilbert, 791 00:47:47,822 --> 00:47:49,782 Shannan Gilbert's mother, passed away. 792 00:47:50,449 --> 00:47:52,411 They fought so hard for this moment. 793 00:47:53,452 --> 00:47:55,371 I just wish they were here to see it. 794 00:47:58,708 --> 00:48:03,422 I believe Mari would still be campaigning to have Shannan's death ruled a homicide, 795 00:48:03,505 --> 00:48:06,048 and she would not be convinced that 796 00:48:06,132 --> 00:48:08,719 Shannan's death was disconnected from the others. 797 00:48:09,802 --> 00:48:14,516 It's easier for the police department to say, "It's a cold case. Let it be." 798 00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,351 That could happen. We're hoping it doesn't. 799 00:48:17,436 --> 00:48:19,478 I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure it doesn't. 800 00:48:20,563 --> 00:48:22,773 [Cann] Shannan deserves justice. 801 00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:28,487 At the end of the day, we all are here to acknowledge 802 00:48:28,572 --> 00:48:31,115 that without Shannan Gilbert going missing, 803 00:48:31,949 --> 00:48:34,202 our loved ones would have never been found. 804 00:48:34,286 --> 00:48:36,996 [dramatic music playing] 805 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:39,498 [Gallucci] I think we're at the beginning of the story. 806 00:48:40,500 --> 00:48:43,045 There are dozens of women whose murders are unsolved. 807 00:48:44,963 --> 00:48:47,382 Some of them who worked as sex workers. 808 00:48:47,465 --> 00:48:50,302 A lot of the older cases are cold because people just aren't around, 809 00:48:50,385 --> 00:48:52,054 people moved away, 810 00:48:52,137 --> 00:48:54,222 and a lot of families just kind of lose hope and faith. 811 00:48:54,306 --> 00:48:56,349 They don't feel like the police are gonna do anything, 812 00:48:56,432 --> 00:48:58,351 and they don't know what else to do. 813 00:48:58,434 --> 00:49:00,728 So how many more could there be? 814 00:49:05,067 --> 00:49:08,027 [Funderburg] It was tough not having information for so long, 815 00:49:08,110 --> 00:49:09,947 but you just had to keep the faith 816 00:49:10,030 --> 00:49:12,824 and just pray that something would come one day. 817 00:49:12,907 --> 00:49:16,119 'Cause she would never give up on me, and I could never give up on her. 818 00:49:19,498 --> 00:49:22,376 So, hopefully, justice is just around the corner. 819 00:49:26,838 --> 00:49:28,840 [melancholy music playing] 71218

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