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[Aaron] When I moved to Hoboken
about a dozen years ago, it just
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struck me just how friendly
and how small town it felt.
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So what you see behind me
here is the actual location for
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Lily Bloom's flower shop
in the film "It Ends with Us."
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A scout reached out
to me and said that they were
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interested in seeing
if it would work for
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an upcoming film.
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So I was going through
the contract, and I was showing
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it to my wife,
and when she read the title,
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"It Ends with Us," she froze.
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She actually picked up
the book off the bookshelf.
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More than three years on
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a New York Times
best-sellers list,
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that's a long time.
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[paparazzi]
Can you turn this way?
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[paparazzi #2]
Justin, right here.
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The movie came out
in the summer of 2024.
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Social media noticed that
Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni
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were not doing
any press together
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for a movie where
they are the co-leads.
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[woman 2] "It Ends with Us."
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[voices overlapping]
"It Ends with Us."
"It Ends with Us."
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"It Ends with Us."
"It Ends with Us."
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"It Ends with Us"
is about domestic violence,
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but the message of the film
has been clouded because
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of the scandal around its stars.
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She claims that there was
sexual harassment on set.
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Maybe this guy isn't
the guy that you think he is.
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And then a big jaw-drop moment.
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[suspenseful music playing]
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He claims civil extortion,
defamation, and that all of
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this really is about
her wanting to have control
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of the movie.
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[ID] Is Blake Lively a victim?
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That is the question.
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This is, like, the most
high-school fight that
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people with millions of dollars
can have with each other.
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The longer this goes on,
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the more reputational damage
they will suffer.
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[ID] This isn't just
a fluffy celebrity feud.
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The actual story is, I think,
a lot darker and a lot more
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complex than that.
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I work on crisis communication
plans, lifestyle PR,
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and strategic public relations.
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But also, I am a huge
Colleen Hoover fan.
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I've read all of her books.
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Every single one,
probably once or twice.
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So, I'm familiar with
the book and was really excited
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for the movie.
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[Sheinelle]
It follows Lily Bloom,
who moves to Boston to fulfill
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her dream of
opening a flower shop.
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After a chance encounter
with a neurosurgeon,
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a relationship quickly heats up
between the two of them.
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[Matthew]
On TikTok, certain books go
viral, and Colleen Hoover's
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novels, in particular,
"It Ends with Us,"
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became incredibly
popular on there.
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A woman got verbally
and physically abused
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and made it out
on the other end.
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The domestic violence aspect
of it is something that really
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caught people's because it
covered the serious topic while
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still doing it in a way that
felt engaging and accessible.
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And that really gave studio
executives in Hollywood
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a feeling that young people
were interested in the novel,
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and that if they optioned it,
as Justin Baldoni did,
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that it could turn into
something that
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people would show up
at the theaters for.
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[Tia] I'm an actress.
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I worked with Justin Baldoni
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on the set of "Jane the Virgin"
many years ago.
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["Jane the Virgin" narrator]
This seems like a good time
to catch up on
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what Rafael has been up to.
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I was actually playing
one of his girlfriends.
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["Jane the Virgin" narrator]
He has, in fact, been
having sex.
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Lots and lots of sex,
with a lot of different women.
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He was very down-to-earth,
very considerate.
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He just wanted to make sure
that everything in
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our scene worked.
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[keyboard tapping]
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I started following him on
social media and just kind of
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kept up with everything else
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that he was doing
outside of acting.
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[audience clapping]
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[Emily]
Justin has this platform.
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He did a TED Talk about
debunking toxic masculinity.
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I don't just want to be
a good man,
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I want to be a good human.
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And he started a podcast,
"Man Enough."
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What would the world look like
if our boys
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got to grow up and feel that
men were safe spaces
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and safe places?
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In 2019, when Justin acquired
the rights from Colleen Hoover,
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it was really
aligned with his brand.
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[up-tempo violin music playing]
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The "Ends with Us" story first
hit my radar when Blake Lively
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was cast -- I covered
her casting news.
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She's a household name.
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I understand why you'd want to
go for someone with a pretty
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solid commercial track record.
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The cast for
"It Ends with Us" has officially
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been announced, and I am unwell.
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Lily Bloom is gonna be
played by none other than
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Blake Lively.
What?
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[man] Hey, Blake!
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[Emily]
This breakthrough role was
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"Sisterhood of
the Traveling Pants."
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Rule number 11 -- "In the event
of an emergency, the pants will
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automatically go to
the sister in need."
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And she got really
famous with "Gossip Girl."
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She's also known as being
Taylor Swift's best friend,
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and, yeah, of course she's
married to Ryan Reynolds.
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[Green Lantern] Evening, ma'am.
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Blake and Ryan met on
"Green Lantern" and hit it off.
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Now they are
the Hollywood power couple.
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She has a persona
in the public eye
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of being fun
and fashionable and trendy
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and all of the things that
I think most women
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really aspire to be.
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The fact that Justin Baldoni's
name was mentioned
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along with someone
who is a big A-list celebrity,
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also married to an A-lister.
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It makes sense why this
became such big headline news.
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[Aaron] Hoboken being such
a small town, word travels fast.
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When the first day
of shooting arrived,
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people were lining the streets
to catch a glimpse of, you know,
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Hollywood in our small town.
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The crew from L.A.
put layers upon layers of
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wallpaper to age this space,
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and then they would redo
the entire interior once again,
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and this time transforming
it into the flower shop.
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[knocking]
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OK, here we go.
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[laughing]
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-Wow.
-[Allysa] Yeah.
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This doesn't even
look like the same shop.
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At the conclusion,
Justin invited me over.
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He raised his hands up,
and I raised mine to mirror him,
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and it was just a very
special moment to share.
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[car horns honking]
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The film premiered in
New York City on August 6, 2024.
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[paparazzi] Justin, right here!
Justin, right here!
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[crowd] Solo!
Solo!
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-[overlapping voices shouting]
-[paparazzi] Justin, right here!
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Things felt like they
were off at the premiere.
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Social media noticed
that Blake Lively
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and Justin Baldoni were
not doing any press together.
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What is going on with
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Blake Lively
and Justin Baldoni?
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Have you heard anything
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about the rift
happening behind the scenes?
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For a movie where
they are the co-leads,
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that is highly unusual.
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[Matthew]
There seemed to be this
sort of tension around it,
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but nobody could quite
put their finger on
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what to make of it yet.
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We do have "It Starts with Us,"
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so I'm hoping to see you
back in the double-duty role.
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When Justin was
asked about the sequel,
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it was kind of surprising.
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I think there are
better people for that one.
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I think Blake Lively's ready
to direct, that's what I think.
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He definitely alluded
to him not taking on the role
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of director, but maybe alluding
to Blake should do it next time,
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which was a little strange.
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I mean, at that point, that's
where the rumor mill starts.
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[paparazzi]
Ladies, together this way.
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Ladies, together,
this way over here.
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I saw rumblings on social media
hypothesizing that there had
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been some kind of falling out
on set, because people noticed
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that essentially all of
the cast had unfollowed
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Justin Baldoni.
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[indistinct chatter]
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One headline said
that Justin Baldoni was
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banished to the basement.
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He wasn't even allowed
to be seen on the red carpet
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with Blake and with
the rest of his co-stars.
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And he and his family
actually had to watch it
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in a separate location.
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He said,
"I wasn't allowed to be seen.
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"She didn't want me anywhere
near her or the rest
of the cast.
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"So they ushered me
off the carpet and sent us down
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to the basement."
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There are countless feuds in
Hollywood between actors,
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between directors and stars.
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It's very rare at a premiere
for them not to, you know,
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at least look like
they're buddy-buddy.
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"It Ends with Us" was
a financially successful movie.
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It made way more than it cost
to film and market the movie,
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and there was also a lot of
hope that the very important
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topic of domestic violence
would be
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resonating with the masses.
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That was it.
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The story began
in the summer of 2024,
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and it was nonstop after that.
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During the entire promotion of
this film, Blake Lively
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hasn't been seen with Justin,
the main actor and director.
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But of course, fans are
theorizing, as fans do.
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[Emily]
And boom, you have a feud.
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There was serious beef
between Baldoni and Lively.
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The treating of this
as just kind of a fluffy
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celebrity feud --
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the actual story is, I think,
a lot darker and a lot more
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complex than that.
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I had been covering celebrities
across three decades,
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and I had not seen
a story this big...
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period.
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[overlapping voices]
Blake, right here.
Blake, right here.
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[Perez]
At the time of the release of
"It Ends with Us," Blake Lively
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was getting a lot of negative
feedback on social media.
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Director, we didn't have
one of those for this movie.
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[Perez] It seemed like
everything she was saying
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was rubbing social media
the wrong way.
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Look at me in flowers,
Lily Bloom.
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It's neoprene.
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There were so many strange
memes right after and videos
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about, like, kind of
being difficult to work with.
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[woman 2]
Congrats on the premiere.
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And congrats
on being a fat bitch.
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This, I think, really launched
this "mean girl" energy.
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People were making
a big deal of her promoting
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all of her businesses.
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-I'll start here.
-OK.
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And it's dry shampoo,
but really, you know,
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it smells amazing.
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[Perez] While shying away from
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the very important topic
of domestic violence.
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[reporter]
What has been the best part in
making this particular movie?
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I've noticed so many
beautiful crystals on teeth.
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Is that a big fashion thing?
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[TikToker] Using a movie about
domestic violence to sell stuff?
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It's not a good look.
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She was full of
giggles and laughter,
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and, oh, wanted
to promote her liquor brand.
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Like nothing says
domestic violence
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like a bottle of tequila.
What?
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[Natasha]
On social media especially,
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there was criticism of the way
that she would kind of be
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perhaps a little bit
lighthearted during
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certain interviews.
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There was an interview with
a journalist that portrayed
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Blake to be a mean girl.
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She was quoted as saying it was
the worst interview she's ever
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given in her career.
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[Kjersti]
I'm an entertainment reporter.
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I'm originally from Norway,
but I've been living in the US
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for 20 years.
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I watched the movie,
and it reminded me of that
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interview I'd had with her.
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First of all, congrats on
your little bump.
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At the time of her interview,
Blake Lively had confirmed
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her pregnancy,
so it wasn't speculation.
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It was just, "Congratulations."
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Congrats on your little bump.
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I still don't understand what
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triggered Blake Lively.
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That journalist was just
trying to break the ice.
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What about my bump?
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Kjersti ends up saying it was
the worst interview of all time.
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There's footage
and clips of this interview
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that are so tense.
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Did you guys love wearing those
kind of clothes that you --
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-Yeah.
-Yeah.
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-And, you know,
working in digital --
-Everyone wants to talk about
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the clothes, but I wonder if
they would ask the men
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about the clothes.
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I would.
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[Kjersti] I thought, OK,
this is not going well.
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And from there on,
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they just basically ignored me.
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I love Jesse's suits and hat.
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-That's what I'm saying.
His wardrobe was beautiful.
-Oh, I know.
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This Kjersti Flaa interview
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had never been
shared publicly before.
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That's why it went super viral.
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[gasps] Mic drop.
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Mic drop -- does not
even look at the interviewer.
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It is so pointed.
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It got a ton of attention,
and it definitely did not help
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Blake Lively.
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On December 20th,
Blake Lively files a complaint.
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It broke headlines.
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[reporter] Blake Lively
shocking Hollywood
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with a new
explosive legal complaint...
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about what she says was
happening behind the scenes
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of her film "It Ends with Us."
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Actress Blake Lively
accusing "It Ends with Us"
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co-star and director
Justin Baldoni
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of sexual harassment.
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According to Blake Lively,
back in May of 2023,
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things happened with
Justin Baldoni that made
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her feel uncomfortable, and
she says that she reported it.
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[Natasha]
There was a meeting where
they agreed upon a document of
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protocol that should be
enforced on set,
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that Blake says is directly
in reference to concerns that
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she had raised.
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It is very specific.
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Blake Lively
says she included items
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that she and Wayfarer Studios
and Justin Baldoni
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all agreed in
a production meeting.
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They're really specific items
that allude to verbal
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or physical sexual
conduct that occurred.
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She says that Justin
would repeatedly walk into
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her trailer unannounced while
she was by the breastfeeding,
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pumping, or in a state
of undress.
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She alleged the intimate scenes
would be improvised
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and done over and over again,
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more than was typically
required on such a set.
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These items seem to fit
under sexual harassment.
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And when they go back to
recording, Blake Lively says,
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"I don't want these things
to happen again."
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Basically, "This was
making me uncomfortable."
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[Natasha] It repeatedly says
the phrase, "No more."
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"No more" doing this
kind of behavior.
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There was actually
a signed agreement between
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the parties not
to have it continued.
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How could you not agree?
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I mean, it's so obvious
that you cannot do that
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in a workplace.
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Something that was upsetting
to me is that this is
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one of the few
very popular movies
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that deals with
domestic violence.
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What are you doing?
Stop.
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Stop.
What are you doing?
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-Sh, sh, sh.
-What are you doing?
Stop -- stop.
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[Natasha]
It's the core plot point.
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To have these allegations
saying one of the major
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creative forces behind this
was actually engaging in
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misogynistic content himself,
it's pretty upsetting.
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[Matthew]
What made part of these
allegations so shocking was
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that Justin Baldoni has
a podcast where he talks about
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how men can be allies to women
and how men can be better in
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their relationships to women.
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If you know the film and you've
been following along and read
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the book, how could he do this?
I mean, how could he do this?
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Several of the key players
involved in the making of
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"It Ends with Us,"
Colleen Hoover
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to one of the lead actors in it,
Brandon Sklenar,
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have all come out
publicly supporting
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Blake Lively.
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Brandon Sklenar shared
a post directing people
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to read her complaint,
including a little heart emoji
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and tagging Blake Lively.
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I saw social media
sentiment shift more in favor
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of Blake than
it had been, certainly.
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You know, if you read
the complaint, I think she had
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very valid reasons why
she wouldn't want to show up
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to work in
an environment like that.
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She's not doing this
because it's fun
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or it's gonna get her anything.
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She's doing this probably
because she has
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daughters at home
and feels the need to stand up
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for what she went through.
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[Emily] Literally, a day after,
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you see this complaint
come out.
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The New York Times
rolls out the big headline.
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My initial response to
the explosive New York Times
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article was shock.
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[Matthew]
This New York Times article
comes out that alleges this
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whole campaign was orchestrated
against her by Justin and his
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PR team to make
her seem like a bad person.
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The New York Times reported
Blake Lively, in her complaint,
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says that Justin Baldoni hired
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not only his PR person
Jennifer Abel,
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but a crisis management person,
Melissa Nathan,
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to orchestrate
a smear campaign against her.
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[Matthew] There were
comments saying,
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"We're gonna bury Blake Lively."
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[keyboard tapping]
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[Natasha]
The second part of her suit
alleges that at least part of
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the negativity that we saw
that summer towards her
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was orchestrated by people
working with Justin Baldoni
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to be able to cover their tracks
should she come public
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about experiencing
alleged sexual misconduct.
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[Emily] If this happened,
really, they did a genius job
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on the front end of building up
this database of unsavory
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narrative towards Blake.
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[Matthew] The PR dark arts
were getting exposed.
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Something that's always been
behind the curtains,
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something that you don't really
see, but you understand
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is happening.
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[Perez]
Just the sheer volume of
allegations that she was making
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against him, I thought,
"Wow, wow, I -- I feel
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so bad for her."
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You can be one of the most
wealthy and successful
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people in your industry
and still face alleged
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retaliation for speaking up,
for making allegations
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of sexual misconduct,
I think it's extremely alarming.
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[Emily]
So, like, maybe she can be
a mean girl sometimes,
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but when it comes to this film,
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what is going on
with this Justin guy?
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So, all of a sudden,
she had some public favor.
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Everybody was sympathetic
towards Blake Lively,
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and then things shifted.
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That New York Times story was
so damning that it made it seem
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like there was no way
that Justin Baldoni
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could come back from this.
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[Kjersti] Then, all of a sudden,
Justin Baldoni then files
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a libel lawsuit against
The New York Times
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for $250 million.
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[Perez]
The thing that really shook me
was his lawsuit included
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texts and emails
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between Justin Baldoni
and Melissa Nathan
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to show they were not
planting stories in the media
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about Blake Lively.
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According to Baldoni,
the New York Times edited
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conversations and didn't
give us full context,
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and they didn't give
him and his lawyers
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enough time to respond.
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But it's not
the New York Times' job
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to give all sides of the story.
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You might not like that,
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but that doesn't
open them up to liability.
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Under US defamation law,
Justin Baldoni has the burden
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to prove that
the New York Times
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lied or knowingly lied,
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and that what
they were saying was false.
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A quick defense is,
"Let's go after the journalist
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or the outlet
that did me dirty."
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That's a quick way
to get it out in the public.
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[Natasha]
I think if you choose to go
with Blake Lively's claims,
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which I will say in general,
I think are credible, this is
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a story of a man
who abused his power on set
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and alleges that there
was a smear campaign
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orchestrated by people
working with Justin Baldoni.
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[Perez] I believe victims
should be believed.
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However,
is Blake Lively a victim?
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That is the question.
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[Emily]
And then, all of a sudden,
after suing the New York Times,
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Justin countersues Blake
for $400 million.
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I mean, this is
a big jaw-drop moment.
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$250 million, $400 million,
these are shock numbers.
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These are there
to gain attention.
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He's saying that she made
a false sexual harassment claim.
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Unlike any case
that I've handled
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in my entire career,
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it's the one case we're gonna
put every single text message,
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every single document,
everything on a website.
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Hundreds of pages
of legal allegations,
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text messages, photos.
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You have
the timeline of events.
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So much information.
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Let me tell you,
the internet sleuths,
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everybody was going after what
was in that 168-page document.
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Justin Baldoni's legal team
have just launched a website.
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Justin promised us
all the receipts,
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and he came through.
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He countered her,
point by point, saying,
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"She claimed this,
but in reality,
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here's what truly happened."
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And one of the examples
he gives is that Blake Lively
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herself invited him
into the trailer
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while she was breastfeeding.
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And then later on,
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she uses that as a basis for
something he's done wrong.
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Blake Lively alleges that
a senior member of the studio
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showed her a nude video
of his wife giving birth.
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They allege, rather, that,
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"No, she asked
to see the footage."
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Blake Lively is accusing
Justin Baldoni
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of asking her trainer
for her weight.
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So she said
that that was fat shaming.
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He says he has a back problem,
and there was a scene where
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he needed to lift her.
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[Dina]
His argument isn't really that
those items didn't happen.
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He just is saying that
there's a different perspective,
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that they were really
more consensual.
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Both sides absolutely
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want to get
their perspective out.
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[Perez] Amongst many allegations
that Blake Lively made,
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she said that Justin Baldoni
did not stick to what they had
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agreed upon when
filming intimate moments,
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specifically in that
infamous dance sequence.
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So what did Justin Baldoni do?
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His lawyer released
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10-plus minutes
of unedited footage
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that let the public see
and decide for themselves
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what they were looking at.
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[crew]
Ryan, go to the bar.
Ryan, go to the bar.
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Justin Baldoni released
the footage to try
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and make the case that
he did nothing wrong.
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You know, for a lot of people
it did seemingly vindicate him.
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One of the "slam dunks" that
Baldoni's team suggests is,
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"Well, we had
an intimacy coordinator,
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and you didn't want
to meet with her."
486
00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:10,867
And text messages show,
at least,
487
00:26:10,867 --> 00:26:13,667
that Blake did not meet with
the intimacy coordinator
488
00:26:13,667 --> 00:26:15,000
before shooting started.
489
00:26:16,567 --> 00:26:18,600
But in her original document,
490
00:26:18,767 --> 00:26:20,667
she asks for
an intimacy coordinator
491
00:26:20,667 --> 00:26:22,200
to be on set at all times
492
00:26:22,367 --> 00:26:24,667
whenever she's filming
with Baldoni.
493
00:26:28,967 --> 00:26:32,600
[Mia]
I'm an intimacy coordinator
for TV, film, and theater.
494
00:26:33,767 --> 00:26:37,266
The role of intimacy
coordinator, um, is still
495
00:26:37,266 --> 00:26:42,767
relatively new in TV and film,
and there are certain standards
496
00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:48,266
and protocols that we adhere to
shooting, uh, simulated sex
497
00:26:48,433 --> 00:26:51,667
and nude scenes, doing our best
to help the director achieve
498
00:26:51,834 --> 00:26:54,700
their vision while staying
within the actor's comfort.
499
00:26:56,066 --> 00:26:59,000
In my experience,
when an actor says,
500
00:26:59,166 --> 00:27:02,200
"I don't need to meet
the intimacy coordinator
until we're shooting,"
501
00:27:02,367 --> 00:27:06,166
it does typically indicate that
they trust their scene partner,
502
00:27:06,333 --> 00:27:08,100
which is a beautiful thing.
503
00:27:08,266 --> 00:27:13,266
And those texts made me think
that at one point, she did feel
504
00:27:13,433 --> 00:27:14,967
a lot of trust with him.
505
00:27:15,133 --> 00:27:17,266
Blake's team then
comes in and says,
506
00:27:17,266 --> 00:27:19,400
"Oh no, this is exactly
what we're talking about.
507
00:27:19,567 --> 00:27:20,867
She's uncomfortable."
508
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,166
[crew person]
Ryan, go to the bar.
Ryan, go to the bar.
509
00:27:33,767 --> 00:27:37,367
In the script for that scene,
the description is,
510
00:27:37,367 --> 00:27:41,266
"They slow dance,
lost in their own world."
511
00:27:43,166 --> 00:27:46,800
No mention of a kiss,
no mention of any kind of
512
00:27:46,967 --> 00:27:50,767
sexual touch or intimate touch
beyond an embrace, maybe?
513
00:27:50,934 --> 00:27:53,367
Blake Lively alleged
that he would do
514
00:27:53,367 --> 00:27:58,266
unapproved movements
and -- and contact and kissing
515
00:27:58,433 --> 00:28:00,066
and smelling her neck.
516
00:28:11,567 --> 00:28:15,000
[Mia]
Blake says that there wasn't
an intimacy coordinator present
517
00:28:15,166 --> 00:28:17,066
for certain intimate scenes.
518
00:28:17,233 --> 00:28:22,567
From what I've heard, it seems
like there were scenes that
519
00:28:22,734 --> 00:28:26,900
did not have intimacy written,
but then intimacy was added.
520
00:28:27,066 --> 00:28:31,667
That video of the slow dance
is a perfect example of that.
521
00:28:31,834 --> 00:28:35,300
[Dina]
The dance scene, both sides
think it's great for them.
522
00:28:35,467 --> 00:28:39,567
So when this goes to trial,
that video will for sure be
523
00:28:39,567 --> 00:28:42,600
shown in front of a jury,
and you'll hear two completely
524
00:28:42,767 --> 00:28:45,567
different perspectives
on what that video is.
525
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,300
But Justin Baldoni said,
"Had Lively chosen to merely
526
00:28:51,467 --> 00:28:54,900
"write out the self-inflicted
press catastrophe she faced in
527
00:28:55,066 --> 00:28:57,667
"August of 2024,
the public would likely have
528
00:28:57,834 --> 00:29:00,166
"moved on and never known
the truth about her.
529
00:29:00,333 --> 00:29:02,800
"They would have never known
that she deliberately
530
00:29:02,967 --> 00:29:05,867
"and systematically robbed
plaintiffs Justin Baldoni
531
00:29:05,867 --> 00:29:08,367
and Wayfarer Studios
of their movie."
532
00:29:15,967 --> 00:29:19,200
Justin Baldoni says in
his counterclaim that,
533
00:29:19,367 --> 00:29:22,166
"Almost immediately,
Lively began inserting herself
534
00:29:22,333 --> 00:29:25,600
"into the production process
in intrusive ways well beyond
535
00:29:25,767 --> 00:29:28,467
the scope of
her contractual entitlement."
536
00:29:28,467 --> 00:29:31,500
Basically, he's saying,
her saying that she needed
537
00:29:31,667 --> 00:29:34,367
creative control over
the project and threatening to
538
00:29:34,533 --> 00:29:36,667
walk out if she didn't
get that creative control
539
00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:38,867
amounted to extortion.
540
00:29:39,033 --> 00:29:41,467
There's this one now very, um,
541
00:29:41,467 --> 00:29:45,867
viral video of her appearance
at a Forbes summit,
542
00:29:46,033 --> 00:29:49,467
where she was talking about
demanding and wanting
543
00:29:49,634 --> 00:29:53,000
and needing control
of every aspect of movie making.
544
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,900
[Blake]
I wanted to be a part of
the storytelling, that I wanted
545
00:29:56,066 --> 00:29:58,500
to be a part of the narrative,
whether that be in the writing,
546
00:29:58,667 --> 00:30:01,000
in the costume design,
in creating the character.
547
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,166
I actually need to have
authorship in order to
548
00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:04,200
feel fulfilled.
549
00:30:04,367 --> 00:30:07,667
There is a core scene
in the movie, it's when
550
00:30:07,834 --> 00:30:10,500
Ryle and Lily
meet for the first time.
551
00:30:10,667 --> 00:30:12,100
I once read that
552
00:30:12,266 --> 00:30:14,000
maraschino cherries
stay in your stomach
553
00:30:14,166 --> 00:30:15,900
for like seven years.
554
00:30:16,066 --> 00:30:19,066
[Natasha]
It takes place on a rooftop,
it's a very pivotal scene,
555
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,200
and Blake has said
that Ryan Reynolds
556
00:30:22,367 --> 00:30:24,900
wrote at least
some of this scene.
557
00:30:25,066 --> 00:30:26,967
The iconic rooftop scene in
this movie, my husband actually
558
00:30:27,133 --> 00:30:29,166
wrote it, nobody knows that,
but you now.
559
00:30:29,166 --> 00:30:31,367
He's all over this film.
560
00:30:31,367 --> 00:30:35,467
In Justin's lawsuit,
he alleges that there was
561
00:30:35,634 --> 00:30:38,867
a meeting in Blake Lively
and Ryan Reynolds'
562
00:30:39,033 --> 00:30:41,200
New York City penthouse,
563
00:30:41,367 --> 00:30:47,867
where he felt pressured by both
Ryan Reynolds and Taylor Swift
564
00:30:48,033 --> 00:30:51,767
to acquiesce to some of
the changes that Blake Lively
565
00:30:51,767 --> 00:30:54,200
had wanted
to make to the script.
566
00:30:54,367 --> 00:30:57,066
[Matthew]
He felt that Blake Lively
and Ryan Reynolds were
567
00:30:57,233 --> 00:31:00,200
coming in to try to create
their own version of the film.
568
00:31:00,367 --> 00:31:01,867
-[paparazzi chatting]
-[camera shutters snapping]
569
00:31:01,867 --> 00:31:05,500
[Kjersti]
Most of us reacted very
strongly to the text message
570
00:31:05,667 --> 00:31:09,100
that Blake had sent to
Justin Baldoni, explaining that
571
00:31:09,266 --> 00:31:11,767
she's Khaleesi from
"Game of Thrones,"
572
00:31:11,767 --> 00:31:13,767
and she has dragons.
573
00:31:15,166 --> 00:31:19,000
It wasn't in the message
who her dragons were.
574
00:31:19,166 --> 00:31:23,100
To me, it was like, obvious
that it was Ryan Reynolds
575
00:31:23,266 --> 00:31:25,867
and Taylor Swift
she was referring to.
576
00:31:25,867 --> 00:31:27,867
So, by saying that, it was like
577
00:31:27,867 --> 00:31:31,400
a nicely put
little "threat," I would say.
578
00:31:31,567 --> 00:31:34,567
I find it interesting that
Blake is both framed
579
00:31:34,734 --> 00:31:38,166
as this incredibly powerful
person who, you know,
580
00:31:38,333 --> 00:31:40,500
can use Taylor Swift
and everyone in her arsenal
581
00:31:40,667 --> 00:31:44,400
to do whatever she wants,
but also she needs to rely on
582
00:31:44,567 --> 00:31:47,900
manipulating sexual harassment
in order to get her way.
583
00:31:56,367 --> 00:31:59,166
Hey, Blake, it is, uh,
584
00:31:59,333 --> 00:32:00,900
two in the morning, um,
585
00:32:01,066 --> 00:32:02,767
hopefully this does not
wake you up.
586
00:32:02,934 --> 00:32:07,967
So Justin Baldoni releases this
voicemail that he leaves 2 a.m.
587
00:32:08,133 --> 00:32:10,500
to Blake Lively,
apologizing.
588
00:32:10,667 --> 00:32:16,567
I'm really sorry, um,
I -- I for sure fell short.
589
00:32:16,567 --> 00:32:18,867
It's, you know, he's showing
some level of understanding,
590
00:32:19,033 --> 00:32:20,066
but it's also, you know,
591
00:32:20,233 --> 00:32:21,300
he's admitting
some level of fault.
592
00:32:21,300 --> 00:32:23,266
So it's kind of, you know,
one of those things that
593
00:32:23,266 --> 00:32:25,300
you can spin it either way.
594
00:32:25,467 --> 00:32:27,700
And damn right,
you got great friends.
595
00:32:27,867 --> 00:32:31,300
We should all have friends like
that, aside from the fact that
596
00:32:31,467 --> 00:32:33,000
they're two of the most
creative people on the planet.
597
00:32:33,166 --> 00:32:36,300
What I mainly got from
the message was that he was
598
00:32:36,467 --> 00:32:39,567
really desperately
trying to please Blake.
599
00:32:39,567 --> 00:32:42,467
He was like,
"Whatever you say, I'll do."
600
00:32:42,467 --> 00:32:45,100
I'm sorry.
[laughing]
601
00:32:45,100 --> 00:32:47,967
You probably have kids all over
you and a baby on your boob,
602
00:32:48,133 --> 00:32:50,166
and you're listening to me
ramble at two in the morning.
603
00:32:50,166 --> 00:32:51,667
It's 2 a.m. in the morning.
604
00:32:51,834 --> 00:32:53,567
There were definitely
people who thought
605
00:32:53,567 --> 00:32:54,767
it was a little creepy.
606
00:32:54,934 --> 00:32:56,500
There's others who say,
607
00:32:56,667 --> 00:32:59,266
"Hey, she texted him
right before.
608
00:32:59,266 --> 00:33:01,367
This was
a justified voice call."
609
00:33:01,367 --> 00:33:05,066
But, as a lawyer, I think,
why release something that
610
00:33:05,233 --> 00:33:07,800
does -- it is a little
questionable of whether or not
611
00:33:07,967 --> 00:33:09,500
that's appropriate
in a workplace.
612
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,467
Baldoni is claiming that
Blake Lively threatening that if
613
00:33:18,634 --> 00:33:21,166
she doesn't get the edit,
she's not going to maybe
614
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:22,567
appear at the premiere.
615
00:33:22,734 --> 00:33:24,100
He was basically giving over
616
00:33:24,266 --> 00:33:26,467
his creative control
of the film.
617
00:33:26,634 --> 00:33:29,867
I believe that Sony,
the film's distributor
618
00:33:30,033 --> 00:33:33,400
and major financer,
they were scared,
619
00:33:33,567 --> 00:33:35,467
in my opinion, of Blake Lively.
620
00:33:35,634 --> 00:33:36,767
[paparazzi chatting]
621
00:33:36,934 --> 00:33:40,467
The bigger star tends
to get backed because
622
00:33:40,634 --> 00:33:41,634
at the end of the day,
623
00:33:41,634 --> 00:33:44,000
the studio wants this
to make a lot of money,
624
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,900
and the bigger star is gonna
draw a bigger audience.
625
00:33:50,367 --> 00:33:52,600
If she took complete
editorial control of the film,
626
00:33:52,767 --> 00:33:54,166
that's not a crime.
627
00:33:55,700 --> 00:33:58,400
Who's to say that Baldoni's
version was inherently better?
628
00:33:59,767 --> 00:34:06,166
I wonder why we're not framing
this as a woman potentially
629
00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:08,867
experiencing misconduct on set,
as she's alleged,
630
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,700
taking part in a movie
that we know she cares about,
631
00:34:12,867 --> 00:34:14,767
and then...
632
00:34:14,767 --> 00:34:16,667
making editorial decisions
633
00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:18,667
that are ultimately
for the best of it.
634
00:34:18,667 --> 00:34:21,800
[Matthew]
In the end, Blake Lively
kind of emerged victorious,
635
00:34:21,967 --> 00:34:25,266
because what ended up getting
shown was the rooftop scene
636
00:34:25,266 --> 00:34:27,900
that Ryan Reynolds wrote,
and a lot of, you know,
637
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:29,767
her cut we ended up
seeing in theaters.
638
00:34:29,934 --> 00:34:32,800
[paparazzi yelling]
Ryan!
639
00:34:32,967 --> 00:34:34,867
As "It Ends with Us"
is coming out,
640
00:34:34,867 --> 00:34:36,667
"Deadpool & Wolverine"
also comes out.
641
00:34:36,834 --> 00:34:39,700
We see a lot of cross-promotion
and a lot of Blake and Ryan
642
00:34:39,867 --> 00:34:41,767
in the news together.
643
00:34:41,767 --> 00:34:43,567
Within "Deadpool & Wolverine,"
644
00:34:43,734 --> 00:34:45,767
there's a character
called "Nicepool."
645
00:34:45,767 --> 00:34:49,000
And where in God's name
is the intimacy coordinator?
646
00:34:49,166 --> 00:34:51,367
Bryan Freedman,
Baldoni's lawyer,
647
00:34:51,533 --> 00:34:55,500
issues a letter to Disney
saying that this character
648
00:34:55,667 --> 00:34:57,400
is clearly
making fun of Justin.
649
00:34:57,567 --> 00:34:59,100
Who are you?
650
00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:03,166
Oh, I'm Deadpool, but in here,
everybody calls me Nicepool.
651
00:35:03,333 --> 00:35:06,767
Nicepool has a man bun,
like Justin Baldoni,
652
00:35:07,767 --> 00:35:09,066
and he makes
653
00:35:09,233 --> 00:35:12,367
references to Lady Deadpool,
who was voiced by Blake.
654
00:35:12,367 --> 00:35:14,500
[Lady Deadpool]
Oh, we're just getting started.
655
00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:18,266
He even talks about
Ladypool's body
656
00:35:18,433 --> 00:35:19,867
after just giving birth.
657
00:35:19,867 --> 00:35:21,367
Oh my goodness,
wait till you see Ladypool.
658
00:35:21,367 --> 00:35:22,533
She is gorgeous.
659
00:35:22,533 --> 00:35:24,767
She just had
a baby too, and...
[blows air through lips]
660
00:35:24,934 --> 00:35:27,266
-Can't even tell.
-I don't think you're
supposed to say that.
661
00:35:27,433 --> 00:35:28,867
That's OK.
662
00:35:28,867 --> 00:35:30,767
-I identify as a feminist.
-Right.
663
00:35:30,934 --> 00:35:34,367
Here I am, doing my part,
trying to be a feminist.
664
00:35:34,367 --> 00:35:38,367
There's so many parallels to
what happened in the real world
665
00:35:38,533 --> 00:35:42,100
on the set of "It Ends with Us."
666
00:35:44,567 --> 00:35:47,467
As part of the lawyer's
assessment of this,
667
00:35:47,634 --> 00:35:49,867
he points to the fact,
"Well, Lively clearly couldn't
668
00:35:50,033 --> 00:35:52,600
"have undergone something as
serious as sexual harassment if
669
00:35:52,767 --> 00:35:54,567
they're making fun of it
in a movie."
670
00:35:54,567 --> 00:35:56,166
I don't think that's the case.
671
00:35:56,166 --> 00:35:59,500
I think people cope with
many things with humor.
672
00:35:59,667 --> 00:36:00,867
All of a sudden...
673
00:36:01,967 --> 00:36:04,367
we're yo-yoed back to,
674
00:36:05,500 --> 00:36:09,367
"Wow, maybe this is like
the most high-school fight that
675
00:36:09,367 --> 00:36:13,767
"we're ever privy to that people
with millions of dollars
676
00:36:13,767 --> 00:36:15,300
can do with each other."
677
00:36:15,467 --> 00:36:17,066
Maybe they're both wrong.
678
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:37,000
A trial date has been set for
Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni
679
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,300
to battle it out in court.
680
00:36:38,467 --> 00:36:42,867
We now have a date, but it is
not until March of 2026.
681
00:36:43,767 --> 00:36:46,967
As of now, Blake Lively has
promised to bring forward
682
00:36:47,133 --> 00:36:48,967
two more women
from "It Ends with Us"
683
00:36:49,133 --> 00:36:52,867
who say that Justin Baldoni
mistreated her
684
00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:54,066
and mistreated them on set.
685
00:36:54,233 --> 00:36:56,367
And if that comes to fruition,
that would be a big deal
686
00:36:56,367 --> 00:36:57,634
for the case.
687
00:36:59,500 --> 00:37:02,367
[Dina] My professional opinion,
Blake Lively has a stronger
688
00:37:02,533 --> 00:37:05,300
case because all of
Justin Baldoni's arguments
689
00:37:05,467 --> 00:37:08,767
about fame and control
don't really refute
690
00:37:08,767 --> 00:37:11,000
her claim of
sexual harassment.
691
00:37:12,266 --> 00:37:14,600
Those allegations,
the improvising of
692
00:37:14,767 --> 00:37:17,900
the kissing, the showing,
describing his genitalia,
693
00:37:18,066 --> 00:37:20,500
talking about pornography,
regardless of where
694
00:37:20,667 --> 00:37:24,266
your workplace is, those seem
to be pretty strong basis for
695
00:37:24,433 --> 00:37:26,000
a claim of sexual harassment.
696
00:37:27,100 --> 00:37:31,066
[Perez]
Even though it seems like a lot
of social media is supporting
697
00:37:31,233 --> 00:37:34,100
Justin Baldoni,
the longer this goes on,
698
00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:38,000
the more reputational
damage they will both suffer.
699
00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:42,667
You've gotta consider
that Justin Baldoni
700
00:37:42,834 --> 00:37:44,567
might be the problem.
701
00:37:44,734 --> 00:37:47,200
[Matthew]
The social media algorithms
portion of this is really
702
00:37:47,367 --> 00:37:50,767
interesting, because you get
fed something very personal.
703
00:37:50,767 --> 00:37:55,100
What she is accusing him of is
so harsh and so disrespectful.
704
00:37:55,100 --> 00:37:58,700
If you are getting fed a lot of
things about Justin Baldoni
705
00:37:58,867 --> 00:38:02,000
being a good guy, you're
gonna keep getting fed that.
706
00:38:02,166 --> 00:38:04,567
The same goes for people
that are on Blake Lively's side.
707
00:38:04,734 --> 00:38:08,266
Who wants to trust a man
who's made his entire brand
708
00:38:08,266 --> 00:38:11,500
all about being a champion
for the voices of women?
709
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,700
[Matthew]
These algorithms split people
apart, and you're never really
710
00:38:14,867 --> 00:38:16,867
gonna get the other side
of the narrative.
711
00:38:17,033 --> 00:38:18,967
At this point, it's kind of
like a mutually
712
00:38:19,133 --> 00:38:20,200
assured destruction.
713
00:38:20,367 --> 00:38:22,467
[audience clapping]
714
00:38:22,634 --> 00:38:26,567
[SNL announcer]
Ladies and gentlemen,
Tina Fey and Amy Poehler.
715
00:38:26,567 --> 00:38:29,667
Even at
the "Saturday Night Live"
50th anniversary special,
716
00:38:29,667 --> 00:38:32,000
Ryan Reynolds made
a little passing remark to it,
717
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,400
a little joke about it.
718
00:38:33,567 --> 00:38:34,900
[Tina] Ryan Reynolds,
how's it going?
719
00:38:35,066 --> 00:38:37,200
Great -- why?
What have you heard?
720
00:38:37,367 --> 00:38:38,800
[laughing]
721
00:38:38,967 --> 00:38:40,567
[Matthew]
People immediately understood,
722
00:38:40,734 --> 00:38:42,166
they're still
in the thick of this.
723
00:38:42,333 --> 00:38:45,900
This is still
something that is going on.
724
00:38:49,467 --> 00:38:53,467
From a PR standpoint,
both of them are gonna have
725
00:38:53,467 --> 00:38:56,300
a hard time getting
the mud off of their reputation.
726
00:38:56,467 --> 00:38:59,367
They're both going to
have to do some
727
00:39:00,367 --> 00:39:05,000
work with great professionals,
hopefully, that are gonna
728
00:39:05,166 --> 00:39:07,367
lead them down the path,
outside of the courtroom,
729
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,867
building back
the trust of their fans.
730
00:39:11,867 --> 00:39:16,100
I believe for Blake,
she needs to be vulnerable.
731
00:39:16,266 --> 00:39:19,800
She needs to have a moment
where she's a mom of four.
732
00:39:19,967 --> 00:39:24,266
We want to be connected to
her and empathize.
733
00:39:24,266 --> 00:39:27,667
Like, what woman hasn't been
uncomfortable in a workplace?
734
00:39:27,667 --> 00:39:30,266
That's a common situation,
and we want to support her.
735
00:39:30,433 --> 00:39:34,567
For Justin, you know,
he has this platform of
736
00:39:34,734 --> 00:39:36,800
debunking toxic masculinity.
737
00:39:36,967 --> 00:39:41,400
He needs to also, "Hey,
tail between my legs here, guys.
738
00:39:41,567 --> 00:39:43,667
I -- I could have done better."
739
00:39:43,667 --> 00:39:45,700
That's a relatable moment.
740
00:39:45,867 --> 00:39:48,867
[Matthew]
The irony of this whole thing
is that the movie that
741
00:39:49,033 --> 00:39:50,767
the movie was such
a huge success.
742
00:39:50,934 --> 00:39:54,667
And to have all this scandal
around it is kind of sad,
743
00:39:54,667 --> 00:39:57,667
because it really was
a big win for Hollywood.
744
00:39:57,667 --> 00:40:00,066
I mean, if you're
Colleen Hoover, you have to be
745
00:40:00,233 --> 00:40:01,700
kind of fed up with it.
746
00:40:01,867 --> 00:40:04,467
[Perez] Author Colleen Hoover,
who wrote the novel
747
00:40:04,467 --> 00:40:08,567
"It Ends with Us," wiped all of
her photos with Blake Lively
748
00:40:08,734 --> 00:40:13,600
and Justin Baldoni,
but she still follows
749
00:40:13,767 --> 00:40:15,967
Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds
750
00:40:16,133 --> 00:40:19,100
and is not
following Justin Baldoni.
751
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,700
So, interpret that as you will.
752
00:40:26,166 --> 00:40:30,166
[Aaron]
The saddest thing about this
is the message of this movie
753
00:40:30,166 --> 00:40:34,700
is taking second place
to this conversation about
754
00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:37,467
what happened on set.
755
00:40:37,467 --> 00:40:41,600
The biggest loss here is this
incredible film that so many
756
00:40:41,767 --> 00:40:44,700
people were really excited
about and a topic that really
757
00:40:44,867 --> 00:40:46,033
needs to be addressed
in Hollywood.
758
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,667
At this point, this is
basically like the unraveling
759
00:40:49,667 --> 00:40:50,934
of a family feud.
760
00:40:51,100 --> 00:40:53,600
In terms of winners and losers,
there really are no winners.
761
00:40:53,767 --> 00:40:55,033
It's all losers.
762
00:40:55,033 --> 00:40:58,867
[Dina]
The bigger loser here is
victims of domestic violence.
763
00:40:59,033 --> 00:41:01,100
This movie was
about domestic violence.
764
00:41:03,367 --> 00:41:07,100
And nobody's talking about
domestic violence.
765
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:10,100
The other sad thing is
that there is an allegation of
766
00:41:10,100 --> 00:41:12,667
sexual harassment
on a domestic violence set,
767
00:41:12,667 --> 00:41:15,500
and the whole public
seems to have decided
768
00:41:15,667 --> 00:41:17,000
whether or not that's true
769
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,000
long before the evidence has
even been introduced at trial.
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