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[car engine rumbling]
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[male radio announcer]
RTE Radio 1 News at ten o'clock
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with Michael Murphy.
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[Michael Murphy] Good morning.
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Gardai County Louthhave recovered
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the body of a manbelieved to have been murdered
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by the IRA more than20 years ago.
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They body is thoughtto be the first
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of a number of theso-called Disappeared
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whose whereabouts the IRAis preparing to disclose.
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The man's remainswere in a coffin that was found
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about seven o'clockthis morning
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at Old Faughart Graveyard,
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about four milesNorth of Dundalk.
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The coffin is thoughtto have been taken there
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from another locationduring the night.
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Gardai haven't yet formallyidentified the victim.
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[phone ringing]
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[ringing continues]
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[woman panting]
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[interviewer]
Let's start talking
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about your...
Your family history,
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-and republican background.
-Hmm.
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[interviewer]
Tell me about your mother, your father,
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-your aunts...
-Yeah.
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...and, you know, the sort
of Republican influences
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-that came up as you
were growing up?
-Yeah.
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[Dolours Price] I come from a strong, very staunch
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Republican backgroundon both sides.
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On my father's side,I had a very religious aunt
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who would have said,for God and Ireland.
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On my mother's side,
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Ireland came first,
came before God.
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In 1939 when the IRAvery grandly
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declared war on England,
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my father and some of
his comrades went over
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as the expeditionary force
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to wage war on the
imperial master.
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[male announcer]
A scene of havoc
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in Broadgate, Coventry.
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The crowded thoroughfarewas suddenly
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plunged into turmoiland confusion
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as a violent explosion
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swept bystandersoff their feet.
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Five people were killedand nearly 60 injured.
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The cause is attributedagain to IRA agents.
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[Dolours] My father's two mateswere arrested
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and they actually didn't have
anything to do
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with that particular operation
but they were convicted
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and executed for it.
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So, as children growing up,
that's the kind of,
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you know, bedtime story
we would hear.
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We wouldn't hear
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Little Red Riding Hood,
we would hear,
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you know,"They hanged my mate Jimmy."
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As children, we looked forwardto these nights
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when he'd gather us round
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and tell us abouthis time in prison.
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[Albert Price]
The time was fast approaching,
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a lad lay sentenced for to die
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and on the 2nd of September,
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he meets his God on high.
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Now he's walking
to the scaffold,
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[voices overlapping]
head erect, he shows no fear,
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for on his proud
and gallant shoulders,
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[secondary voice continues]
Ireland's cross
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he holds so dear.
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Now the cruel blow is fallen,
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for Irelandhe has fought and died,
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and we the countrymenwho bore him,
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will love and honor himwith pride.
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Brave Tom Williams,we salute you,
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and we never will forget,
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those who plannedyour cruel murder,
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we vow to make them all regret.
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[door opening]
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So come all you Irish rebels,
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if from the pathyou chance to stray,
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bear in the memory of the morn,
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when Ireland's crosswas proudly borne,
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but a lad who laywithin these prison walls.
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[Dolours] My father spentseven years altogether
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interned in different prisonsbut he never was charged.
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He often said,
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I blew them up before you did,
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the only thing was
I didn't get caught.
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We had the great honorof having had three generations
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of women in my familyspend time in Armagh Gaol.
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We would have, as children,you know, been aware
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that my aunts had a dedicationto the prisoners,
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and, you know, created parcels
for them on special occasions,
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which, as children,
we were always very envious of
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and I think
it made me begin to think
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prison wasn't all that
bad a place to be.
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You got these real big cakes
and bars of chocolate
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and you got all sortsof wonderful stuff
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if you were in prison.
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[Terence O'Neill]
Here in Ulster,the Union Jack
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is the flag of freedomand my task, my duty,
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my resolve are to keep ithoisted at the top of the mast,
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here in our beloved Ulster.
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[crowd applauding]
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[Dolours]
The Catholic population
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in my growing up time
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were very down-trodden people,
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and very accepting of theirsecond-class citizenship.
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Whereas we, as Republicans
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had a kind ofstrange arrogance,
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because we believed thatwe were the possessors
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of the truth, the absolute truth
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about how the island
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should be run,and we believed ourselves
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to be the custodiansof the men of 1916.
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And we, in many waysregarded ourselves as elite.
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We were a very angrypeople actually,
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the runt of Republicans that
were left behind in Belfast
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because, you know,
we always regarded the fact
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that when they
signed away the six counties,
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they actually signed us away.
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[upbeat music playing]
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โช Hear it, hear itHear my heartbeat... โช
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Dolours, be a good girl,
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your Aunt Bridie's read
for tea now.
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โช Pounding, poundingLike a drum โช
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โช Louder, louderGoes my heartbeat โช
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โช As nearer, and nearerAnd nearer you come โช
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โช So hurry, hurrySays my heartbeat โช
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โช Take me, touch meMake me thrill โช
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โช Faster, fasterGoes my heartbeat โช
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โช I try but I can'tKeep it still... โช
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[Dolours] My Aunt Bridiewas an inspiration to us.
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Bridie was a living martyrand as children growing up
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we were alwaysvery aware of this,
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of the enormous sacrificethat she had made
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because of her partin the struggle.
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In 1938, she wentto lift an arms dump
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and the volunteerwho was to lift the dump,
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and she was to be his escort,didn't turn up.
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She decided herselfthat she would lift
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the arms dump, and she did.
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It exploded on herand her hands were blown off,
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her eyes were blown out,
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and she wasvery badly mutilated,
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and she looked like thatfor the rest of her life.
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-[man shouting at a distance]
-[siren wailing]
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She was 25,
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and my grandmother
put the house into mourning,
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the girls weren't
allowed to go dancing.
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It was like having a wakebut with a living body.
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She was a smoker
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and, as children,once you got to beeight or nine
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you had to be able to hold the cigarette for her
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and put it to her
mouth and take it away,
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and I hated the job.
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I thought
it was the most awful job,
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I couldn't stand it,
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but I did itbecause it was Bridie.
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The fact that she wasin the state that she was in,
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and the condition she was inobliged me in some way
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to continue the struggle
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because it validatedher sacrifice.
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To have ignoredthe struggle would have been
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to make her sacrificefutile, useless.
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And I went in one day,
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and I could see thesegreat big tears
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rolling down her cheeks.
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And I went back to my mother
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and I said, "Mommy,
how can my Aunt Bridie cry
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when she has no eyes?"
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And my mother burst into tears
and said, "My poor sister",
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and it was really a very,
very touching, touching moment.
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And, as a child,
I can remember
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how much pain
there actually was
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in that family that they hid,
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that was concealedby this strength,
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this Republican strengththat they maintained.
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As a family they didn't cry.
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We were too strong to cry
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and to cry
was a sign of weakness.
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[people singing]
โช We shall overcome โช
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โช We shall overcome, some day โช
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[singing indistinctly]
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[inaudible]
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[Dolours] I would've still beena sixth-former at school,
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doing my A-levels,and we would go regularly
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to the student meetings,and we would take part
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in the debates and discussionsas to what we could do,
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you know,to bring about civil rights,
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one man one vote,
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you know, one family one house,
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and all of the slogansthat we had gathered,
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because I had oftendebated with my father,
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you know that this is the waythat it would change.
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And he would say,"Oh, you know, you'll learn,
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you'll learn as you grow up."
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And I'd say,
"No, I have learned,
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I've learned that
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you didn't win the war,
you fought the war in 1940,
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and yous didn't win.
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This way we can change
the system."
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[crowd protesting
in foreign language]
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โช We shall overcome some day โช
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โช For deep in my heart โช
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[people screaming]
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Please, God save us. [screams]
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[crowd shouting indistinctly]
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[Dolours]
October the 5th happened,
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the RUC were seen
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in their true light as being
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a very sectarian police force.
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Things were becomingmore polarized.
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I think, as Republicans,
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we began to seea glimmer of light
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that there could be a change.
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โช We shall overcome โช
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โช We shall overcome, some day โช
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[Dolours] We had long debatesabout the only way
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to change the systemwas to unite the Protestant
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and the Catholic working class
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against the imperialist system.
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[protestant] Well, I think, it's been very successful so far.
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We've had a very good turnout.
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Now, we've had some difficulties along the route
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and there are certain timeswe've been prevented
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from going through.
We don't like that,
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but we feel that
that demonstrates the fact
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that in Northern Ireland,
we have a situation
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like the Southern States
of America
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where you do not have
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the basic democratic libertyof free procession.
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[Ian Paisley] This march flew its proper flag
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into an outlawedRepublican club banner
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and this unmasks this march
as nothing what-so-ever
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to do with civil rights
but simply
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an outlawed rebel march.
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[Dolours] We weremarching along
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to Derry being stopped
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at every Protestant townand being turned back
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and re-routed and eventuallyending up at Burntollet Bridge.
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We did get a kind of warning
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that it wasn'tgoing to be peaceful
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or be allowed to be peaceful.
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There's a good possibility
that some stones
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may be thrown,
some people may be hurt.
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[Dolours]
The gathered Loyalists
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stockpiled stones
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to throw at us,and they had their cudgels
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with nails in them,and they had all their weaponry.
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Clearly the policesaw them there,
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and the policeled us into the trap.
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-We were massively decimated.
-[Protestant screams]
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[woman]
We had to get into the water,
and they came after us.
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We tried to go up
the back field
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to just get away from them,
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and they surrounded us
in the back field.
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We were stuck in the water.
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We waded in and out
of the water for half
a dozen times
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up to our waists,
and they all battered us,
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and they took the...
They took a fella singly,
and they battered him
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and then they came
for another fella,
and they battered them.
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And not one policeman in sight
opened the gates, jeez!
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[Dolours] It was at that pointI think, I looked into the eyes
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of some of these peoplewho were beating us,
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and they were glazed over
with some kind of hate.
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And I thought to myself
I thought, "No,
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that personis never going to want
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to walk alongside of me."
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I'm never gonna
convert those people.
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It changed me entirely.
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It brought me back roundtowards Republicanism.
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The Northern state was rotten.
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Change wouldn't be broughtabout by us marching
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up and down the road or beinghammered into the ground.
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[crowd shouting]
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My Aunt Kathleenwas burned out of Dover Street,
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my Aunt Evelyn was burnedout of Percy Street.
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The B-Specials, Loyalists,and RUC brought out the guns
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and began to shoot down
towards the Falls Road.
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And we didn't have any guns,
but we suddenly realized
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there were no guns
to protect the community.
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-They machine-gunned us.
-All those people.
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[male reporter]
Did you shoot back?
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What with,
peashooters and bottles?
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Armored cars paving the way
for the hooligans to come in?
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[Dolours] We found out thatthe young Fianna boy,
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Gerald McCauley had beenshot dead and I think also
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the little boy in Divis Towershad been shot dead,
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the young child of...I think he was nine.
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And so we realizedit was quite serious.
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There wasa lot of gunfire coming
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and, you know,we were dodging bullets.
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And I decidedI'd make my way home.
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There was nothing else to do
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except stand around
and wait to be shot.
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And when I arrived home
to our house,
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there were sitting
the leadership
of the Republican movement
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of the day, uh, Bobby McKnight,
Billy McMillen, Jimmy Sullivan,
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and they were
sitting in our house, my house,
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waiting for their transport
to take them across the border
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to Dundalk.
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And I remember thinking,
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"You cowards,
you're running away."
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And the people
of the Falls Road are now,
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are being burned out,
being shot at, being murdered,
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and that would have been a time
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when I would have been
turning against them,
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and I would have beenlooking for leadership
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in a different direction.
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[soldiers shouting
indistinctly]
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Boys, d'you want a cup of tea?
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There you are, love.
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That's for after your lunch
or after your dinner.
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Thank you very much,
appreciate it, thank you.
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[soldier] The honeymoon periodcannot continue forever,obviously.
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We're perhaps at the peak now,where, everybody is smiling
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00:23:14,268 --> 00:23:16,562
and swapping cups of teaand all this sort of business
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and cracking jokes
but unless there is a solution,
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or some hope
for the future,
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the soldiers are not going tobe welcomed on the streets.
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-[crowd shouting]
-[glass shattering]
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[male reporter] Two menhave died in rioting in Belfast
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after a big round upof suspects this morning
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which was followedby an official announcement
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that there's to be internment.
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[Brian Faulkner]
I have decided,after consultation
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with Her Majesties Governmentin the United Kingdom
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last Thursday,
to exercise where necessary,
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the powers of detention
and internment vested in me
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as Minister of Home Affairs.
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[people shouting indistinctly]
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[Dolours] The placewas in upheaval,
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but the strange thingwas that the local people
333
00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:06,964
had suddenly changed,
334
00:25:07,047 --> 00:25:09,758
and they had suddenlybecome Republican.
335
00:25:13,262 --> 00:25:15,639
Protestant extreme organization
are shooting over
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00:25:15,723 --> 00:25:18,267
into the Catholic areas
and being protected,
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00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:20,936
protected by the British Army,
and then they tell you,
338
00:25:21,270 --> 00:25:23,647
"Oh, if you complain
about this or say anything
about this,
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00:25:23,731 --> 00:25:26,233
it's only IRA propaganda."
340
00:25:26,316 --> 00:25:28,777
Now, wait 'til I tell
you something,
everybody around here
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00:25:28,861 --> 00:25:30,237
don't need to be an IRA man,
342
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:31,989
but they'll definitely
support it now!
343
00:25:38,787 --> 00:25:40,831
[Dolours] Young boyswho were out throwing stones
344
00:25:40,914 --> 00:25:44,251
were pulled in to havecups of tea handed to them
345
00:25:44,334 --> 00:25:48,964
and sticky buns and back outto throw more stones
346
00:25:49,047 --> 00:25:50,841
and there was a sea change
347
00:25:50,924 --> 00:25:55,429
within the thinkingof the Catholic population.
348
00:25:56,555 --> 00:26:00,309
โช If you hate the British ArmyClap your hands โช
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00:26:00,517 --> 00:26:04,396
โช If you hate the British ArmyClap your hands โช
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00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,609
โช If you hate the British ArmyHate the British army โช
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00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:11,487
โช Hate the British ArmyClap your hands โช
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00:26:11,570 --> 00:26:14,531
[people shouting]
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00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,541
[Dolours] I supposethat was the seeds
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00:26:24,625 --> 00:26:26,627
of the Provisional movement
355
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:30,088
coming along and the seedsof people who had been,
356
00:26:30,172 --> 00:26:33,175
not reallypolitically inclined,
357
00:26:33,258 --> 00:26:37,304
becoming politically inclinedbecause of necessity,
358
00:26:37,846 --> 00:26:40,516
and they beganto look to Republicans
359
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:42,267
as protectors.
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00:26:51,735 --> 00:26:54,571
I, Dolours Price,
promise that I will promote
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00:26:54,655 --> 00:26:56,281
the objects
of the Irish Republican Army
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00:26:56,365 --> 00:26:58,534
to the best of my knowledge
and ability
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00:26:58,617 --> 00:27:01,328
and that I will obey all orders
and regulations issued to me
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00:27:01,411 --> 00:27:04,248
by the army authority
and by my superior officer.
365
00:27:05,624 --> 00:27:06,708
That was basically it.
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00:27:06,792 --> 00:27:10,379
I put my hand up,
I made that declaration
367
00:27:10,462 --> 00:27:12,256
and I was a member of the IRA.
368
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,058
[scratching]
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00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:26,687
You had spent your lifelearning this as a way of life
370
00:27:26,770 --> 00:27:28,814
and you had spent your lifebeing taught
371
00:27:28,897 --> 00:27:31,567
that it was a glorious wayof life,
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00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:35,404
and it was a proudand honorable way of life.
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00:27:38,782 --> 00:27:44,371
When I reported to the armyand said I wanted to join,
374
00:27:44,496 --> 00:27:46,915
I said, "I don't wantto be rolling bandages.
375
00:27:46,999 --> 00:27:48,584
That's notwhat I want to do,
376
00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:49,960
I want to fight."
377
00:27:51,837 --> 00:27:58,343
They put me in a roomwith a load of rusty bullets
378
00:27:58,802 --> 00:28:00,762
and some steel wool,
379
00:28:00,846 --> 00:28:03,348
and my job was to clean these bullets.
380
00:28:05,517 --> 00:28:10,480
That incensed me, but I did it.
381
00:28:13,317 --> 00:28:14,943
I obeyed all orders.
382
00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:41,386
[helicopter hovering]
383
00:28:48,769 --> 00:28:52,940
One of my jobswas to transport explosives
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00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:56,360
from Dundalk to theBattalion areas.
385
00:29:05,202 --> 00:29:09,915
I would travel to Dundalk,sometimes twice a day,
386
00:29:09,998 --> 00:29:12,376
certainly four or five timesa week
387
00:29:12,459 --> 00:29:17,256
and have my carloaded up with explosives.
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00:29:19,216 --> 00:29:20,968
[interviewer] Where werethe explosives hidden?
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00:29:21,343 --> 00:29:22,719
[Dolours] In the door panels.
390
00:29:39,194 --> 00:29:41,363
We robbed a couple of banks,
391
00:29:42,072 --> 00:29:44,950
Once, we went indressed as nuns.
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00:29:45,534 --> 00:29:46,660
I'm withdrawing funds on behalf
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00:29:46,743 --> 00:29:48,870
of the Irish Republican Army.
394
00:29:49,288 --> 00:29:51,665
And he said to me, "I need
to see your credentials."
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00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:54,376
-Here's my credentials...
-[gun cocking]
396
00:29:55,502 --> 00:29:57,754
Now, we'll do this
really calmly.
397
00:29:57,838 --> 00:30:00,382
Just open the safe
and fill the little bag,
398
00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,218
and we'll all get this done
very quickly.
399
00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:15,188
I would hire a carusing a fake license
400
00:30:15,272 --> 00:30:17,149
that I had been given.
401
00:30:19,067 --> 00:30:21,653
I got so familiarto the soldiers on the border
402
00:30:21,737 --> 00:30:24,323
that they knew meby my first name.
403
00:30:25,365 --> 00:30:26,616
[interviewer]
They knew you as Dolours?
404
00:30:26,700 --> 00:30:29,202
They knew me as Rosie.
No, Rosie was my fake name
405
00:30:29,286 --> 00:30:33,206
on my driving license,
on the fake license.
406
00:30:46,303 --> 00:30:49,806
I found it so much easierthan you would imagine
407
00:30:49,890 --> 00:30:51,641
and I think that probably comes
408
00:30:51,725 --> 00:30:54,061
from the recklessness of youth.
409
00:30:56,313 --> 00:30:58,607
We were young,we were very idealistic.
410
00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:00,067
We were very dedicated.
411
00:31:00,942 --> 00:31:03,695
When we carried out
operations like that,
412
00:31:03,779 --> 00:31:05,989
we did it in a remarkably
calm way.
413
00:31:12,412 --> 00:31:15,165
[crowd shouting]
414
00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:36,061
[glass shattering]
415
00:31:39,648 --> 00:31:43,485
[doctor] One has justgot to be blunt,almost brutal at times
416
00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:46,446
at telling you your wifehas lost both her legs.
417
00:31:50,242 --> 00:31:52,244
Your young son has been killedin an explosion.
418
00:31:55,330 --> 00:31:57,499
This is the sort of situationwhich we're faced with
419
00:31:57,707 --> 00:31:59,418
almost daily in this hospital.
420
00:32:02,963 --> 00:32:07,717
Taking a father to the morgueto identify his only child,
421
00:32:07,801 --> 00:32:11,263
who is unidentifiable
following an explosion.
422
00:32:18,478 --> 00:32:19,771
[man] Marion?
423
00:32:28,738 --> 00:32:30,490
The IRA in Belfast was divided
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00:32:30,574 --> 00:32:32,451
into three operational areas,
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00:32:32,534 --> 00:32:34,661
the First, the Second
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00:32:34,744 --> 00:32:36,913
and the Third Battalions,or Batts,
427
00:32:36,997 --> 00:32:38,498
as they were usually called.
428
00:32:39,583 --> 00:32:42,502
On top of all three Battalions,
was the Brigade,
429
00:32:42,586 --> 00:32:44,921
headed by
the Brigade Commander.
430
00:32:45,005 --> 00:32:46,631
Each Battalion
also had a Commander
431
00:32:46,715 --> 00:32:47,966
with his own staff.
432
00:32:48,049 --> 00:32:52,846
Check that there's
nothing in the breach.
433
00:32:54,264 --> 00:32:56,766
[Dolours] The Brigade Commanderwas in charge of the IRA
434
00:32:56,850 --> 00:33:00,729
in all of Belfast
and he, never a she,
435
00:33:01,146 --> 00:33:03,732
reported to the IRA'sChief of Staff.
436
00:33:25,837 --> 00:33:27,631
[interviewer] It seems
to be about that time
437
00:33:27,714 --> 00:33:30,383
that this special squad
called The Unknowns
was set up,
438
00:33:30,467 --> 00:33:33,470
-Mmm-hmm.
-...what can you tell me
about The Unknowns?
439
00:33:33,553 --> 00:33:35,263
The Unknowns, they were, um,
440
00:33:35,347 --> 00:33:37,224
supposed to be unknown people
441
00:33:37,307 --> 00:33:42,229
who weretrustworthy, dedicated,
442
00:33:42,312 --> 00:33:44,940
had their wits about them
443
00:33:45,315 --> 00:33:50,028
and could be trusted with very, very specific jobs,
444
00:33:50,111 --> 00:33:53,156
and obeying orderswithout question.
445
00:33:56,618 --> 00:33:58,662
I was selectedto be one of them.
446
00:33:59,913 --> 00:34:02,749
There would have been12 or 13 in all.
447
00:34:07,337 --> 00:34:09,422
[interviewer]
Was there a Commanderof this, "The Unknowns"
448
00:34:09,506 --> 00:34:10,924
and to whom did he report,
449
00:34:11,007 --> 00:34:13,552
and from whom did he gethis orders?
450
00:34:14,094 --> 00:34:15,720
[Dolours] Well, Pat McClurewould have been
451
00:34:15,804 --> 00:34:19,516
one of the immediate commanderswithin the squad,
452
00:34:20,976 --> 00:34:23,061
and they would havereported back
453
00:34:23,144 --> 00:34:26,273
to the Officer Commandingin Belfast
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00:34:26,356 --> 00:34:28,483
who would have beenGerry Adams.
455
00:34:32,696 --> 00:34:34,948
[inaudible]
456
00:35:16,406 --> 00:35:19,242
They came away very willinglybecause they had been told
457
00:35:19,326 --> 00:35:22,662
they were going for a break,a holiday.
458
00:35:28,877 --> 00:35:31,254
Occasionally volunteerswho were stressed
459
00:35:32,047 --> 00:35:34,591
would be sent awayand given time off
460
00:35:34,674 --> 00:35:38,928
and taken across the borderto spend a few weeks somewhere.
461
00:35:41,848 --> 00:35:45,477
They were generallyin holiday mood, I just,
462
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,062
I mean I had to bringthem across the border
463
00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:48,688
and leave them there.
464
00:35:59,616 --> 00:36:01,910
I believe they
465
00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:04,621
hung out with the local unit
for a while,
466
00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:06,998
that they had some
fun with them.
467
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:09,751
They were taken to pubsand they did have
468
00:36:09,834 --> 00:36:12,003
some kind of break.
469
00:36:12,587 --> 00:36:15,548
[guns firing in distance]
470
00:36:18,802 --> 00:36:21,346
Ultimately, I believe
they were shot.
471
00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:31,314
We believed that informers
472
00:36:31,398 --> 00:36:34,776
were the lowest formof human life.
473
00:36:35,735 --> 00:36:40,990
They were less than human
and death was too good
for them.
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00:36:44,869 --> 00:36:47,372
[male reporter]
The widowed motherof ten children was kidnapped
475
00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:50,792
last December, from her homehere in the Divis Flats complex
476
00:36:50,875 --> 00:36:53,336
on Belfast's Lower Falls Road.
477
00:36:53,420 --> 00:36:56,172
On the evening of December 7th,four women entered the home
478
00:36:56,256 --> 00:36:58,633
of Mrs. Jean McConville,told her family
479
00:36:58,717 --> 00:37:00,051
that their motherwould be returned
480
00:37:00,135 --> 00:37:02,554
in half an hour,and then left with her.
481
00:37:03,346 --> 00:37:05,807
[male reporter]
Helen, when did you
last see your mother?
482
00:37:05,890 --> 00:37:08,309
On the 7th December '72.
483
00:37:08,393 --> 00:37:09,936
[male reporter] Before this,
did she give you any idea
484
00:37:10,019 --> 00:37:11,896
at all as to why she was
going to go away?
485
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:13,148
No.
486
00:37:13,231 --> 00:37:14,816
[male reporter]
Where do you think she is gone?
487
00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:16,151
[Helen] I dunno.
488
00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:25,201
[Dolours] This whereit gets dangerous for me.
489
00:37:25,285 --> 00:37:26,369
[interviewer] Yes, okay.
490
00:37:27,537 --> 00:37:30,457
[Dolours] These were--
[interviewer] Are theseone of these areas
491
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:32,208
-we were talking aboutbefore? Okay.
-[Dolours] Yeah.
492
00:37:32,292 --> 00:37:34,252
[interviewer] So we're goingto handle this very carefully
493
00:37:34,961 --> 00:37:36,796
but I need to know the facts.
494
00:37:39,257 --> 00:37:43,094
[Dolours] Jean McConvillewas identified as an informer,
495
00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:48,433
her house,her flat in Divis Flats
496
00:37:49,017 --> 00:37:50,602
had been discovered
497
00:37:50,685 --> 00:37:54,522
to have had a transmitterwhere she was supposedly
498
00:37:54,606 --> 00:37:57,984
passing information overto the British Army.
499
00:37:59,819 --> 00:38:03,406
She was also observedby some volunteers
500
00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:07,327
who were taken intoHasting Street Barracks
501
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:12,582
to be identified by a personconcealed behind a blanket.
502
00:38:13,958 --> 00:38:14,959
[interviewer] And whatactually happened,
503
00:38:15,043 --> 00:38:16,753
where was she,was she with you?
504
00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:18,421
[Dolours] She was behindthe blanket,
505
00:38:18,505 --> 00:38:19,923
she was concealedbehind a blanket
506
00:38:20,006 --> 00:38:22,425
with a slit in it
that she could see through.
507
00:38:23,384 --> 00:38:27,847
And the blanket
stopped short of her feet.
508
00:38:28,932 --> 00:38:29,766
[interviewer]
And that's how she--
509
00:38:29,849 --> 00:38:32,268
And some of the volunteers
510
00:38:32,352 --> 00:38:36,272
who went through
that identification process
511
00:38:36,356 --> 00:38:38,107
recognized the slippers.
512
00:38:43,613 --> 00:38:45,698
When Cumann na mBanarrested her
513
00:38:45,782 --> 00:38:47,492
and questioned her,
514
00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,327
she made an admissionto the fact
515
00:38:49,452 --> 00:38:52,664
that that's exactlywhat she had done for money.
516
00:38:55,124 --> 00:38:57,585
She was ordered to betaken across the border,
517
00:38:57,836 --> 00:39:01,923
to be taken away,
and, in her case,
518
00:39:02,006 --> 00:39:06,094
the verdict was,
again, death.
519
00:39:13,643 --> 00:39:15,770
Our first contact with her
520
00:39:15,854 --> 00:39:18,481
was to just pick her upin the house.
521
00:39:18,565 --> 00:39:20,108
[interviewer]
And was, again,Pat McClure--
522
00:39:20,191 --> 00:39:22,527
[Dolours] Pat and myself
and another volunteer
523
00:39:22,610 --> 00:39:27,782
took her and we went with heracross the border.
524
00:39:27,866 --> 00:39:30,910
She, having told everything,
525
00:39:30,994 --> 00:39:34,080
believed that she was being taken awayby the legion of Mary.
526
00:39:34,414 --> 00:39:35,999
[interviewer] Where did sheget that idea from?
527
00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:37,333
[Dolours] She was told that.
528
00:39:37,417 --> 00:39:38,334
[interviewer] By you?
529
00:39:38,418 --> 00:39:39,460
[Dolours] Yes.
530
00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:45,091
And it was only at that stagethat I realized even
531
00:39:45,174 --> 00:39:47,010
that she had children.
532
00:39:50,471 --> 00:39:52,724
[Pat] All right,
chips for everybody?
533
00:40:00,690 --> 00:40:05,194
[Dolours]
And she talked a lot,
534
00:40:05,278 --> 00:40:10,074
and she was very arrogant.
535
00:40:12,243 --> 00:40:15,538
My children,
they will be brought to me?
536
00:40:17,707 --> 00:40:19,250
Yes, I'm sure they will be.
537
00:40:21,294 --> 00:40:23,922
Will they give me money,
will they get me a house?
538
00:40:24,339 --> 00:40:26,674
[scoffs] Well, I imagine so.
539
00:40:33,348 --> 00:40:34,724
I knew those Provo bastards
540
00:40:34,807 --> 00:40:36,976
wouldn't have the balls
to shoot me.
541
00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:41,481
[Dolours] And at one point,she said,
542
00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:43,983
"I knew those Provo bastards
543
00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:46,152
wouldn't have the ballsto shoot me."
544
00:40:46,235 --> 00:40:47,362
[interviewer] Hmm.
545
00:40:48,863 --> 00:40:53,201
And the Provo bastardswho were driving her
546
00:40:54,243 --> 00:40:56,704
-thought "Oh, wouldn't they?"
-[interviewer] Hmm.
547
00:40:57,830 --> 00:41:01,459
-Which was unfortunate for her,she talked too much.
-[interviewer] Right.
548
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:06,839
[door shuts]
549
00:41:11,636 --> 00:41:13,721
[Dolours] She was leftin Dundalk
550
00:41:13,805 --> 00:41:15,598
with the Dundalk unit,
551
00:41:16,641 --> 00:41:20,103
and stayed with themfor some days.
552
00:41:31,614 --> 00:41:33,908
[interviewer]
But I understand thatthe Dundalk IRA
553
00:41:33,992 --> 00:41:34,826
didn't want to do it?
554
00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:36,077
[Dolours] They didn't wantto do it, no.
555
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,287
[interviewer] So you guys had to do it, is that right?
556
00:41:38,371 --> 00:41:40,248
[Dolours] Hmm, yeah.
557
00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:51,175
They couldn't bring themselvesto execute her,
558
00:41:51,259 --> 00:41:53,511
probably becauseshe was a woman.
559
00:42:02,937 --> 00:42:05,231
[interviewer] What actuallyhappened that day?
560
00:42:05,314 --> 00:42:10,653
There had been a grave dug by the Dundalk Unit
561
00:42:11,738 --> 00:42:15,074
and she was takenby the three volunteers
562
00:42:15,992 --> 00:42:17,744
to the grave,
563
00:42:18,411 --> 00:42:21,873
and shot
in the back of the head
564
00:42:21,956 --> 00:42:24,125
by one of the volunteers.
565
00:42:24,208 --> 00:42:27,295
And then
the other two volunteers,
566
00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:30,048
each fired a shot,
567
00:42:30,131 --> 00:42:35,803
so that no-one would say
that they for certain
568
00:42:35,887 --> 00:42:37,722
had been the person
to kill her.
569
00:42:40,725 --> 00:42:44,854
She was left in the graveand the local unit
570
00:42:44,979 --> 00:42:46,147
buried her.
571
00:42:47,356 --> 00:42:48,483
[interviewer]
They covered up the grave?
572
00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:49,609
Yeah.
573
00:44:02,098 --> 00:44:04,725
[interviewer]
There are those who regardthe disappearing of people
574
00:44:04,809 --> 00:44:07,603
as a war crime,
do you think it's a war crime?
575
00:44:08,229 --> 00:44:10,606
I think
it's a war crime, yes.
576
00:44:10,690 --> 00:44:11,816
I think it's a war crime.
577
00:44:12,483 --> 00:44:14,485
It had never before been done
578
00:44:15,153 --> 00:44:17,822
within the IrishRepublican Army.
579
00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:22,410
I certainly advocated
and said that it is nonsense,
580
00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:25,371
that informers
should be thrown out,
581
00:44:25,454 --> 00:44:29,083
their bodies should be
thrown out on the street
582
00:44:29,167 --> 00:44:32,086
to put the fear of God
and the Republican movement
583
00:44:32,170 --> 00:44:36,257
into anybody who would choose
that form of life.
584
00:44:48,436 --> 00:44:52,106
We had lots of discussionsas to what we could do
585
00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:54,942
to bring the warto a higher level.
586
00:44:56,903 --> 00:44:59,280
It was at that time,we discussed the possibility
587
00:44:59,363 --> 00:45:01,407
of bringing the war to England,
588
00:45:01,490 --> 00:45:03,492
back to what my fatherhad done.
589
00:45:10,541 --> 00:45:16,547
We selected targets that wereemblems of the British Empire.
590
00:45:22,386 --> 00:45:23,930
Gerry Adams was there.
591
00:45:26,432 --> 00:45:29,852
Gerry announced to the room
592
00:45:30,937 --> 00:45:33,272
that this was a veryserious operation
593
00:45:33,356 --> 00:45:36,192
they were being askedto volunteer for,
594
00:45:36,275 --> 00:45:39,278
and that it couldbe a hanging job.
595
00:45:42,990 --> 00:45:48,204
And he instructedthose who did not wish
596
00:45:49,246 --> 00:45:52,291
to have any further inputinto the operation,
597
00:45:52,375 --> 00:45:54,460
he instructed them to leave.
598
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:07,098
I was very shockedand surprised
599
00:46:07,223 --> 00:46:10,643
that people were so unwillingto actually undertake
600
00:46:10,726 --> 00:46:12,853
an important operation,
601
00:46:12,937 --> 00:46:17,525
which I was only too happyand too willing to undertake.
602
00:46:32,665 --> 00:46:37,628
I carried the role of OCon that operation.
603
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,592
We could set off ten car bombsin Belfast,
604
00:46:43,676 --> 00:46:46,095
and they would havelittle effect
605
00:46:46,178 --> 00:46:51,934
on the English public opinion.But that one car bomb
606
00:46:52,018 --> 00:46:56,480
in Londonwould change English opinion
607
00:46:56,564 --> 00:46:59,692
to such an extentthat they would perhaps
608
00:46:59,775 --> 00:47:02,778
begin to callto have their troops taken out.
609
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:11,120
A lot of time and effortwas put into planning,
610
00:47:11,203 --> 00:47:14,206
then the operation
which was decided should happen
611
00:47:14,290 --> 00:47:17,793
on the 8th of March
which was the day
612
00:47:17,877 --> 00:47:20,296
there was to be a referendum
held in the North
613
00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:23,924
as to whether or not
the people of the North
614
00:47:24,008 --> 00:47:26,427
wish to remain
part of Britain or not.
615
00:47:26,510 --> 00:47:29,555
And that being
a foregone conclusion,
616
00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:32,808
the car bombs
placed in London
617
00:47:32,892 --> 00:47:38,064
were to be the IRA response
to that referendum.
618
00:47:43,235 --> 00:47:46,864
The plan was that we would takesix car bombs.
619
00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:52,411
Four cars got through,I had already been to London
620
00:47:52,495 --> 00:47:55,122
to select the targets.
621
00:47:57,833 --> 00:48:02,588
The boys had been instructedto not acknowledge each other,
622
00:48:02,671 --> 00:48:05,758
to be oblivious of each other,
623
00:48:05,841 --> 00:48:08,177
nothing untoward was to happen
624
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:11,722
and they, of course,
disobeyed all of that,
625
00:48:11,806 --> 00:48:14,308
went to pubs, got drunk,
626
00:48:14,391 --> 00:48:16,352
were carried
into boarding houses,
627
00:48:16,435 --> 00:48:22,483
and, generally,
the thing became a haimes.
628
00:48:25,152 --> 00:48:29,406
As I approached Gerry Kellyoutside the art museum
629
00:48:29,490 --> 00:48:32,034
in Trafalgar Square,
630
00:48:32,118 --> 00:48:34,912
he was leapfrogging
631
00:48:34,995 --> 00:48:40,793
over the bollards
and shouted across
the road to us,
632
00:48:40,918 --> 00:48:44,213
"What about yous?"
in a broad Belfast accent.
633
00:48:44,296 --> 00:48:47,007
[phone ringing]
634
00:48:52,471 --> 00:48:56,350
But, having said all of that,it didn't really matter.
635
00:48:57,309 --> 00:48:58,644
We were set up.
636
00:48:59,937 --> 00:49:01,981
[sirens wailing]
637
00:49:02,064 --> 00:49:04,233
[male reporter 1]
Unidentified terrorists strike
638
00:49:04,316 --> 00:49:05,860
at the heart of London.
639
00:49:05,943 --> 00:49:07,987
The first bomb explodesin Great Scotland Yard
640
00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:11,448
on the riverside of White Hallinjuring 38 people.
641
00:49:12,241 --> 00:49:14,535
The second bomb explodesoutside the Old Bailey,
642
00:49:14,660 --> 00:49:16,162
shattering the windowsand buildings--
643
00:49:16,245 --> 00:49:18,205
[male reporter 2]
In the two explosions,one man was killed,
644
00:49:18,289 --> 00:49:20,166
two policemenwere seriously hurt,
645
00:49:20,249 --> 00:49:22,835
more than 180 peoplewere injured,
646
00:49:22,918 --> 00:49:26,589
police concentrated their huntfor the bombers on the IRA.
647
00:49:26,672 --> 00:49:29,466
London now knowswhat Belfast is like.
648
00:49:39,393 --> 00:49:42,313
[Dolours] The police in Londonwere waiting for us,
649
00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:46,817
they knew we were coming,they had my photograph
650
00:49:46,901 --> 00:49:51,197
and Marian's photographavailable to Special Branch
651
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,991
so basically the operationwas going to be a failure
652
00:49:54,074 --> 00:49:55,451
from the start.
653
00:49:59,288 --> 00:50:00,706
[interviewer] Was there
an informer on the job?
654
00:50:00,789 --> 00:50:01,957
There was an informer.
655
00:50:02,249 --> 00:50:04,543
There was an informer
back in Ireland.
656
00:50:13,177 --> 00:50:17,598
They interrogated Marian first,and she said nothing.
657
00:50:21,268 --> 00:50:23,229
And then they interrogated me.
658
00:50:26,649 --> 00:50:29,485
To every questionthey asked me, I responded,
659
00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:32,112
"I have nothing to say."
660
00:50:32,196 --> 00:50:36,909
And, eventually, after the 20th"nothing to say",
661
00:50:37,993 --> 00:50:42,623
I did remark that, at the riskof sounding repetitive,
662
00:50:42,706 --> 00:50:44,416
I had nothing to say.
663
00:50:47,795 --> 00:50:51,590
We were put in cells, stripped,
664
00:50:53,342 --> 00:50:55,552
given blankets to wear
665
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:59,431
which I refused to wearbecause I said it was filthy.
666
00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:11,360
I was walked through the police station, naked,
667
00:51:11,443 --> 00:51:17,157
in front of the gatheredaccumulation of policemen.
668
00:51:49,773 --> 00:51:50,816
Mummy?
669
00:51:57,656 --> 00:51:59,533
-[Dolours cries]
-Don't cry.
670
00:52:00,951 --> 00:52:02,161
Don't cry.
671
00:52:08,125 --> 00:52:09,501
Don't cry.
672
00:52:12,963 --> 00:52:14,882
[Dolours] My mother arrived,
673
00:52:14,965 --> 00:52:17,176
to visit usafter about four days.
674
00:52:20,304 --> 00:52:22,389
She whispered in my ear,"No tears,
675
00:52:22,473 --> 00:52:24,308
"not in front of these people."
676
00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:29,021
So that's how
staunch we had to be.
677
00:52:30,731 --> 00:52:32,775
That's how staunch
my mother was.
678
00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:37,863
She told us not to cry
in front of these people.
679
00:52:40,074 --> 00:52:43,160
And she continued that
all the way through
our prison time.
680
00:52:49,249 --> 00:52:51,752
And I asked her, "What's prison really like, Mommy?
681
00:52:52,211 --> 00:52:57,383
And she said, "I did 14 days,
and it was like 14 years."
682
00:52:58,467 --> 00:53:00,594
And I thought that was
a very honest answer
683
00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:04,223
but not very consoling
for our ourselves
684
00:53:04,306 --> 00:53:07,142
who were looking
at enormous sentences
685
00:53:07,976 --> 00:53:09,853
when we would be convicted,
686
00:53:09,978 --> 00:53:12,189
being fully aware
we would be convicted.
687
00:53:47,641 --> 00:53:50,853
To be on a hunger strike,you've got to conditionyour mind
688
00:53:50,936 --> 00:53:55,482
and convince your mind that food is bad.
689
00:53:57,025 --> 00:54:02,197
To have food, to take food,to eat food is failure,
690
00:54:02,573 --> 00:54:04,908
is defeat, is wrong.
691
00:54:14,751 --> 00:54:16,628
[prison door opens]
692
00:54:40,652 --> 00:54:42,404
[struggling]
693
00:54:46,492 --> 00:54:47,743
[sobbing]
694
00:54:51,330 --> 00:54:55,584
[muffled screaming]
695
00:55:04,176 --> 00:55:06,595
[panting]
696
00:55:18,232 --> 00:55:19,942
[door unlocking]
697
00:55:21,944 --> 00:55:23,403
[footsteps approaching]
698
00:55:24,363 --> 00:55:26,990
[Dolours grunting]
699
00:55:27,824 --> 00:55:29,201
No, no!
700
00:55:34,998 --> 00:55:37,376
[shouting indistinctly]
701
00:55:41,672 --> 00:55:44,883
-[officer] Settle down.
-[Dolours crying]
702
00:55:49,805 --> 00:55:50,806
[grunting]
703
00:56:14,830 --> 00:56:17,666
[Dolours] Our hunger strikewas 208 days
704
00:56:17,833 --> 00:56:22,087
and 180 something of those days
705
00:56:22,170 --> 00:56:24,631
we were forcibly fed each day.
706
00:56:24,965 --> 00:56:26,592
Sometimes twice a day.
707
00:56:33,056 --> 00:56:35,851
If you were sick enough,they would measure
708
00:56:35,934 --> 00:56:37,894
how much sick you brought up
709
00:56:37,978 --> 00:56:40,522
after the tubehad been removed.
710
00:56:42,441 --> 00:56:45,319
That hada very, very traumatic effect
711
00:56:45,402 --> 00:56:47,487
on both myself and Marian.
712
00:57:00,083 --> 00:57:02,252
[liquid flowing]
713
00:57:04,796 --> 00:57:05,839
[breathing heavily]
714
00:57:20,604 --> 00:57:22,522
[protesters]
Release the Price Sisters now!
715
00:57:22,606 --> 00:57:24,650
Release the Price Sisters now!
716
00:57:24,733 --> 00:57:26,985
[male reporter]
Brixton Prison, London,and today,
717
00:57:27,069 --> 00:57:30,948
inside these walls, Dolours and Marian Price are dying.
718
00:57:31,031 --> 00:57:33,450
The British Home SecretaryRoy Jenkins
719
00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:35,577
has got three optionsopen to him.
720
00:57:35,661 --> 00:57:38,747
One, he can accedeto the Price Girls' demands
721
00:57:38,830 --> 00:57:40,540
and have them sent backto Northern Ireland
722
00:57:40,624 --> 00:57:42,459
to serve out the remainderof their sentence
723
00:57:42,542 --> 00:57:43,961
in Armagh Gaol.
724
00:57:44,044 --> 00:57:47,089
Two, he can allow themto continue their hunger strike
725
00:57:47,172 --> 00:57:49,758
without any interferenceand die,
726
00:57:49,841 --> 00:57:51,927
or three, he canorder the resumption
727
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:54,012
of the forcible feedingthat has caused
728
00:57:54,096 --> 00:57:55,138
so much controversy
729
00:57:55,222 --> 00:57:57,599
within sections ofthe British medical profession.
730
00:58:01,770 --> 00:58:04,272
[Albert]
Well at the moment,they're very weak,
731
00:58:04,398 --> 00:58:09,444
but in spirit and mentallythey are very alert,
732
00:58:09,528 --> 00:58:13,156
and I suppose happyin their way.
733
00:58:13,824 --> 00:58:16,034
[male reporter] What did they
say to you?
734
00:58:16,118 --> 00:58:19,329
Well, they said,
"Dad, it's one way
or the other.
735
00:58:20,497 --> 00:58:24,334
We're going home to Armagh
or we're going home some way.
736
00:58:24,418 --> 00:58:25,460
We'll go home."
737
00:58:26,586 --> 00:58:28,588
[male reporter] How long
do you feel they can survive?
738
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,257
[Albert] The doctorswould probably know
739
00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:34,386
more than I knowbut, as far as I'm concerned
740
00:58:34,469 --> 00:58:36,680
they're not the wee girlsthat left home.
741
00:58:37,556 --> 00:58:41,810
[Dolours] Something in my hearttold me that it was that time.
742
00:58:41,893 --> 00:58:43,687
I don't know why,I don't know what happened
743
00:58:43,770 --> 00:58:48,066
but when I went into my cell,I started packing my stuff.
744
00:58:48,191 --> 00:58:51,028
I don't know why,I put my coat on,
745
00:58:51,111 --> 00:58:54,197
and I started to gathermy bits and pieces together
746
00:58:54,865 --> 00:59:01,038
and the governorcame in and she told us
747
00:59:01,121 --> 00:59:03,206
we were going home.
748
00:59:03,290 --> 00:59:05,500
She said, "Well, not home,you're going to Armagh."
749
00:59:05,584 --> 00:59:08,003
I said,"That's near enough for me."
750
00:59:39,951 --> 00:59:42,496
[male reporter]
She's just cominginto Downing Street now.
751
00:59:42,579 --> 00:59:45,123
Here comesthe Prime Ministerial Rover
752
00:59:45,207 --> 00:59:49,419
bearing now Mrs. Thatcheras Prime Minister.
753
00:59:55,133 --> 00:59:58,637
A wave that we've now becomereally quite well accustomed to
754
00:59:58,762 --> 01:00:01,431
throughout this campaign,Mr. Denis Thatcher,
755
01:00:01,515 --> 01:00:03,350
her husband standing behind.
756
01:00:04,142 --> 01:00:07,312
I know full well
the responsibilities
that await me
757
01:00:07,395 --> 01:00:10,148
as I enter the door
of number ten.
758
01:00:10,232 --> 01:00:14,653
And I'll strive unceasingly
to try to fulfill the trust
759
01:00:14,736 --> 01:00:18,115
and confidence
that the British people
have placed in me
760
01:00:18,365 --> 01:00:20,992
and the thingsin which I believe.
761
01:00:21,076 --> 01:00:25,372
And I would just liketo remember some words
762
01:00:25,705 --> 01:00:29,793
of St. Francis of Assisi
which I think are really just
763
01:00:29,876 --> 01:00:32,337
particularly apt at the moment.
764
01:00:32,420 --> 01:00:36,007
"Where there is discord,may we bring harmony.
765
01:00:36,091 --> 01:00:39,261
where there is error,may we bring truth,
766
01:00:39,344 --> 01:00:42,222
where there is doubt,
may we bring faith
767
01:00:42,556 --> 01:00:45,183
and where there is despair,
may we bring hope."
768
01:00:45,684 --> 01:00:47,394
[panting]
769
01:00:53,191 --> 01:00:54,693
[Dolours]
After the hunger strike
770
01:00:54,776 --> 01:00:56,528
and the force-feeding
771
01:00:56,611 --> 01:01:01,533
and all of the psychologicaldamage that that created,
772
01:01:01,616 --> 01:01:06,121
we didn't ever havea normal relationship
773
01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:08,999
with food or eating.
774
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,838
We both ended upwith very distorted notions
775
01:01:14,921 --> 01:01:17,174
of the function of food
776
01:01:17,257 --> 01:01:21,052
which resulted in usboth being anorexic
777
01:01:21,136 --> 01:01:23,346
and not wanting to eat.
778
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:26,683
[door opening]
779
01:01:47,162 --> 01:01:49,706
Dolours, it's Marian,
they've released her.
780
01:01:49,789 --> 01:01:51,249
She's going home today.
781
01:02:04,054 --> 01:02:07,265
[Dolours] A little part of mehad always hoped that,
782
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:09,935
because we'd beenthrough everything together,
783
01:02:10,018 --> 01:02:13,146
that, again, this would bea together thing.But it wasn't.
784
01:02:26,993 --> 01:02:28,161
And, actually, I should be quite pleased
785
01:02:28,245 --> 01:02:29,996
that we were treatedas two individuals
786
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:32,874
in that situation'cause we hadn't been before.
787
01:02:33,333 --> 01:02:34,709
We were always lumped together
788
01:02:34,793 --> 01:02:37,629
as if we weresome kind of Siamese twins.
789
01:02:38,463 --> 01:02:40,257
So, I suppose, in a way,I should have beenquite pleased
790
01:02:40,340 --> 01:02:43,802
that they releasedthat individual prisoner,
791
01:02:43,885 --> 01:02:46,596
and the otherindividual prisonerhad to stay behind.
792
01:02:49,182 --> 01:02:50,558
And then I got really depressed
793
01:02:50,642 --> 01:02:52,936
because it was likeI'd been separated
794
01:02:53,019 --> 01:02:54,896
from my Siamese twin.
795
01:03:01,027 --> 01:03:04,447
So, I was lost without Marian,yes, I was lost without her.
796
01:03:11,454 --> 01:03:12,747
[male reporter] The prisonersbelieve that in ending
797
01:03:12,831 --> 01:03:14,916
the dirty protest,attention will be focused
798
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:16,668
on the second hunger strike.
799
01:03:16,751 --> 01:03:18,837
This began yesterdayin the H Blocks
800
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,588
with one of the prisoners,Bobby Sands
801
01:03:20,672 --> 01:03:23,633
from Twinbrookin West Belfast, refusing food.
802
01:03:23,717 --> 01:03:25,552
Accordingto Provisional Sinn Fein,
803
01:03:25,635 --> 01:03:27,053
-[Dolours coughing]
-...more prisoners will jointhe hunger strike
804
01:03:27,137 --> 01:03:28,805
later this weekor early next week...
805
01:03:28,888 --> 01:03:31,975
[Margaret Thatcher]
There can be no question of political status
806
01:03:32,058 --> 01:03:36,438
for someone who is servinga sentence for crime.
807
01:03:36,521 --> 01:03:38,606
Crime is crimeis crime. [echoes]
808
01:03:40,984 --> 01:03:42,527
[coughing and vomiting]
809
01:03:52,746 --> 01:03:54,998
[Fenner Brockway]
"Dear Margaret,you may remember
810
01:03:55,123 --> 01:03:58,168
that eight years ago,Dolours and Marian Price
811
01:03:58,251 --> 01:04:00,587
received a life sentencefor being involved
812
01:04:00,670 --> 01:04:04,007
in a bombing outrageoutside the Old Bailey.
813
01:04:04,090 --> 01:04:07,886
I'd sought to influence themagainst violence and the IRA.
814
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:12,766
Marian has subsequentlybeen released on health grounds
815
01:04:13,308 --> 01:04:17,312
and Dolours is left isolatedin Armagh Prison.
816
01:04:17,395 --> 01:04:18,980
Her recent letters show me
817
01:04:19,064 --> 01:04:21,608
that she is deeply upsetpsychologically.
818
01:04:22,942 --> 01:04:25,695
I am quite sure that if Dolourswere released,
819
01:04:25,779 --> 01:04:28,531
she would become active,despite the dangers,
820
01:04:28,615 --> 01:04:32,869
in urging her fellow Catholicsto refrain from violence.
821
01:04:32,952 --> 01:04:35,622
I enclose a letterjust received from Dolours.
822
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:39,542
It illustrates her conditionof mind and her convictions."
823
01:04:41,294 --> 01:04:44,005
[Dolours] Thirty is a marker
in every woman's life.
824
01:04:45,382 --> 01:04:47,217
For me, it is more.
825
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:52,722
It means nearly almost all
my 20s wasted in prison.
826
01:04:53,890 --> 01:04:57,185
It means no babies,
and my fruitful years
827
01:04:57,268 --> 01:04:58,561
passing me by.
828
01:04:59,104 --> 01:05:00,814
[male reporter]
He said the livesof the hunger strikers remain,
829
01:05:00,939 --> 01:05:03,066
as they have donesince the protests began,
830
01:05:03,149 --> 01:05:04,692
in their own hands.
831
01:05:04,776 --> 01:05:06,319
And the RUC has nowconfirmed that...
832
01:05:06,403 --> 01:05:08,780
[Dolours] Marian comes
to visit me very rarely.
833
01:05:10,407 --> 01:05:13,410
She will visit this week
for only the third time
834
01:05:13,493 --> 01:05:14,661
since her release.
835
01:05:16,121 --> 01:05:18,248
I no longer even pay
lip service
836
01:05:18,331 --> 01:05:19,874
to any organization.
837
01:05:20,041 --> 01:05:21,376
[male reporter]
With the conditionof Bobby Sands
838
01:05:21,459 --> 01:05:25,046
now deteriorating seriously,it seems that the British government is bracing itself
839
01:05:25,130 --> 01:05:26,798
for the consequencesif he dies.
840
01:05:26,881 --> 01:05:28,341
Certainly,the Northern Ireland office
841
01:05:28,425 --> 01:05:29,968
will make no moves to...
842
01:05:30,051 --> 01:05:32,762
[Dolours] Each day I live
my solitary life
843
01:05:32,846 --> 01:05:37,475
and am made feel an outcast,
a traitor to their cause
844
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:39,811
because I declare it
no longer to be mine.
845
01:05:39,894 --> 01:05:41,771
[Thatcher] The men of violence have chosen to play
846
01:05:41,855 --> 01:05:44,524
what may well betheir last card.
847
01:05:44,607 --> 01:05:48,445
They've turned their violenceagainst themselves...
848
01:05:48,528 --> 01:05:51,739
[Dolours] Am I to live through
all those awful memories?
849
01:05:54,617 --> 01:05:58,955
I will be eating,
as well as any anorexic can,
850
01:06:00,206 --> 01:06:03,251
but, mentally, I will live
and starve each day with them.
851
01:06:06,337 --> 01:06:10,592
I want to live, to lovelife again, to survive.
852
01:06:11,551 --> 01:06:13,052
-I can't do that here.
-[breathing heavily]
853
01:06:59,641 --> 01:07:01,392
I was very, very, very ill.
854
01:07:01,476 --> 01:07:03,311
I think the last timethey'd weighed me,
855
01:07:03,394 --> 01:07:05,647
I was about five stoneor something.
856
01:07:15,448 --> 01:07:17,742
I suppose, at that point,it didn't particularly matter to me
857
01:07:17,825 --> 01:07:19,619
one way or the other.You know?
858
01:07:28,044 --> 01:07:29,295
So I got to the stagewhere I thought,
859
01:07:29,379 --> 01:07:32,674
"If I live or die,I'll still get out of this place."
860
01:07:35,468 --> 01:07:38,930
I'd had enough of it,physically and mentally
861
01:07:39,013 --> 01:07:41,975
there was nothing on me leftto keep on going.
862
01:08:05,123 --> 01:08:07,000
[male reporter 1]
Dolours Price,one of two sisters
863
01:08:07,083 --> 01:08:11,129
jailed in 1973 in connectionwith IRA bomb attacks in London
864
01:08:11,212 --> 01:08:12,422
is being released.
865
01:08:12,547 --> 01:08:13,715
[male reporter 2]
The Northern Ireland statement
866
01:08:13,798 --> 01:08:15,466
said that Dolours Pricewas being released
867
01:08:15,592 --> 01:08:18,344
because there is unequivocalindependent medical evidence
868
01:08:18,428 --> 01:08:20,388
that she was in imminent dangerof collapse
869
01:08:20,471 --> 01:08:22,473
and death if she stayedin prison.
870
01:08:22,557 --> 01:08:24,475
[female reporter]
Reverend Paisleyfailed to secure
871
01:08:24,559 --> 01:08:26,227
an emergency debateabout the release
872
01:08:26,311 --> 01:08:28,896
of Dolours Pricefrom Armagh Prison.
873
01:08:28,980 --> 01:08:30,857
[male reporter 3] The newshas filtered throughto this community
874
01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:35,028
that Bobby Sands has diedafter 66 days of hunger strike.
875
01:08:35,111 --> 01:08:39,240
And in scenes reminiscentof the early daysof internment...
876
01:09:25,328 --> 01:09:27,372
[male reporter] The IRAhas announced what it describes
877
01:09:27,455 --> 01:09:30,249
as a complete cessationof military operations
878
01:09:30,333 --> 01:09:31,834
from midnight tonight.
879
01:09:31,959 --> 01:09:35,046
The statement, issued in Dublinjust after 11 o'clock,
880
01:09:35,129 --> 01:09:38,675
doesn't attach any conditionsor time limit to the ceasefire.
881
01:09:40,009 --> 01:09:42,428
Reacting to the announcement,the President of Sinn Fein,
882
01:09:42,512 --> 01:09:45,306
Gerry Adams,said it was courageous.
883
01:09:45,390 --> 01:09:47,934
[Gerry Adams] I want to say a word or two
884
01:09:48,059 --> 01:09:52,021
about the volunteer soldiersof the Irish Republican Army,
885
01:09:52,105 --> 01:09:57,068
who have fought the Britishfor the last 25 years
886
01:09:57,235 --> 01:10:00,822
and who are undefeatedby the British.
887
01:10:00,905 --> 01:10:03,616
-[crowd cheering]
-[typewriter clicking]
888
01:10:07,745 --> 01:10:11,457
I am a Republican,
born and bred.
889
01:10:11,541 --> 01:10:13,334
As were my mother and father
before me
890
01:10:13,418 --> 01:10:15,378
and theirs before them.
891
01:10:15,461 --> 01:10:17,505
Give me an honest socialist
any day
892
01:10:17,839 --> 01:10:20,633
over a lying treacherous
so-called Republican.
893
01:10:21,759 --> 01:10:24,429
I would take no more joyin seeing my sons
894
01:10:24,512 --> 01:10:27,056
follow their convictionsto prison or the grave
895
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:29,934
than did my mother,or the mothers of all those
896
01:10:30,059 --> 01:10:32,145
who lie in Republican plots.
897
01:10:32,228 --> 01:10:34,522
It was my free choice,
898
01:10:34,605 --> 01:10:37,066
and I believewe all have that freedom.
899
01:10:39,527 --> 01:10:42,196
But I will never abandonmy Republican beliefs
900
01:10:42,572 --> 01:10:44,574
and state them
whenever I choose.
901
01:10:45,408 --> 01:10:47,618
Nobody will deny me that right.
902
01:10:48,494 --> 01:10:51,789
That my own aunt livedwithout hands or eyes
903
01:10:51,873 --> 01:10:54,250
with quiet dignityand without complaint
904
01:10:54,333 --> 01:10:55,918
for 40 years.
905
01:10:58,171 --> 01:11:00,590
No deal has been donewith the Brits.
906
01:11:00,673 --> 01:11:02,717
I remember thinking, "What?"
907
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:03,968
We got nothing.
908
01:11:05,553 --> 01:11:09,182
Congratulations Dr. Paisley,
you got what you wanted,
909
01:11:09,265 --> 01:11:11,809
Stormont back,Northern Ireland secure
910
01:11:11,893 --> 01:11:13,728
and the Fenians in their place.
911
01:11:17,064 --> 01:11:20,651
Not this Fenianand a good few besides.
912
01:11:21,027 --> 01:11:23,988
We don't recognizeThe Northern State.
913
01:11:24,322 --> 01:11:27,617
Never have, never will.
914
01:11:30,411 --> 01:11:31,412
[sighs]
915
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:40,296
Admit it, lads,you lost the war.
916
01:11:41,005 --> 01:11:42,548
Some of us see itas only having lost
917
01:11:42,632 --> 01:11:43,966
another battle.
918
01:11:44,759 --> 01:11:49,096
You can lose all the battlesbut only when you surrender,
919
01:11:49,180 --> 01:11:50,598
do you lose your soul.
920
01:11:53,142 --> 01:11:54,227
[exhales]
921
01:11:57,188 --> 01:11:59,023
A historic day at Stormont.
922
01:11:59,106 --> 01:12:03,528
After two years of talksand after a generationof bloodshed,
923
01:12:03,611 --> 01:12:06,113
and decadesof division and acrimony,
924
01:12:06,197 --> 01:12:09,242
George Mitchell ushers in,what the whole island hopes
925
01:12:09,325 --> 01:12:11,619
will be a new era of peace.
926
01:12:11,702 --> 01:12:14,831
An agreement that unitesLoyalists and Republican,
927
01:12:14,956 --> 01:12:17,124
Unionistand Nationalist Leaders
928
01:12:17,208 --> 01:12:19,502
in a wide-ranginghistorical accord.
929
01:12:19,585 --> 01:12:21,879
[Tony Blair]
The principal of consentis absolute
930
01:12:21,963 --> 01:12:23,589
and is throughout the agreement.
931
01:12:24,382 --> 01:12:25,716
And the breakthrough
932
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,762
is that that is now accepted
by all, North and South.
933
01:12:36,435 --> 01:12:39,146
[Dolours] I was on a veryprotracted hunger strike,
934
01:12:39,230 --> 01:12:40,815
I suffered forcible feeding
935
01:12:40,898 --> 01:12:44,652
which was a veryhorrendous experience,
936
01:12:44,735 --> 01:12:48,865
I served eight years in prison,and for what Sinn Fein
937
01:12:48,948 --> 01:12:50,658
have achieved today,
938
01:12:50,741 --> 01:12:52,869
I would not have misseda good breakfast.
939
01:12:54,495 --> 01:12:56,747
Sinn Fein, quite cynically,seem to me
940
01:12:56,831 --> 01:13:00,751
to be climbing overthe corpses of the people
941
01:13:00,835 --> 01:13:02,670
who have died
942
01:13:02,837 --> 01:13:05,715
since the commencementof the struggle.
943
01:13:05,798 --> 01:13:09,802
Volunteers didn't only die,volunteers had to kill as well,you know.
944
01:13:16,809 --> 01:13:18,895
[interviewer]
Do The Disappearedhaunt you at all?
945
01:13:19,353 --> 01:13:23,190
Yes, yes, I think back on those
946
01:13:23,274 --> 01:13:27,403
who I had responsibilityfor driving away.
947
01:13:29,864 --> 01:13:32,950
I'm not a deeplyreligious person
948
01:13:33,034 --> 01:13:35,828
but I would saya prayer for them.
949
01:13:38,164 --> 01:13:40,249
[interviewer] Can I turnto the very firstof those operations
950
01:13:40,333 --> 01:13:43,961
that you believe The Unknowns
were involved in?
951
01:13:44,045 --> 01:13:47,131
That's the Joe Lynskey affair.
952
01:13:47,214 --> 01:13:48,424
-Yes.
-Can you tell...
953
01:13:48,507 --> 01:13:50,843
What can you tell me
about the Joe Lynskey business?
954
01:13:56,807 --> 01:14:02,688
[Dolours] Joe Lynskeywas an extremely gentle,gentleman.
955
01:14:04,023 --> 01:14:10,071
He made a horrendousand grave mistake
956
01:14:11,113 --> 01:14:14,575
which I believe camefrom his naivety.
957
01:14:17,036 --> 01:14:23,709
He'd been off to be a monk,and he was a mature man
958
01:14:23,834 --> 01:14:27,880
but he wasin many ways immature,
959
01:14:27,964 --> 01:14:29,924
certainly in the waysof the world
960
01:14:30,007 --> 01:14:32,593
and he made the mistakeof falling in love
961
01:14:32,677 --> 01:14:35,096
with another volunteer's wife.
962
01:14:38,057 --> 01:14:43,437
Joe set up this husband,
and had another volunteer
963
01:14:43,521 --> 01:14:47,733
go and shoot him.
The volunteer acted
in good faith
964
01:14:47,817 --> 01:14:50,736
believing that this
person was an informer.
965
01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:52,196
Which he wasn't.
966
01:14:53,364 --> 01:14:57,034
Fortunately he didn't die,fortunately he lived.
967
01:15:00,913 --> 01:15:04,041
When it came to light thatthis is what Joe had done,
968
01:15:05,626 --> 01:15:08,212
he would have been
court-martialed for that
969
01:15:08,295 --> 01:15:13,300
and the sentence
for having done that
970
01:15:13,384 --> 01:15:15,261
would have been death.
971
01:15:16,887 --> 01:15:22,184
And Joe would have beensentenced to death.
972
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:33,612
[doorbell rings]
973
01:15:46,751 --> 01:15:52,006
I was given the taskof taking him away,
974
01:15:53,257 --> 01:15:55,801
bringing him across the border
975
01:15:55,885 --> 01:15:57,553
and leaving him in the hands
976
01:15:57,636 --> 01:16:01,432
of people who would dealwith him.
977
01:16:12,568 --> 01:16:15,279
He came in the carwith me,
978
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:17,573
and he tried to explain to me
979
01:16:17,656 --> 01:16:22,745
what had happened and I said,"I don't want to know, Joe.
980
01:16:22,828 --> 01:16:24,872
I really don't wantto know what happened.
981
01:16:24,955 --> 01:16:29,001
I just know that I have thisvery difficult thing to do."
982
01:16:32,838 --> 01:16:38,511
And he apologized to mefor being responsible
983
01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:42,098
for my having to,to take him.
984
01:16:42,181 --> 01:16:46,727
He brought his little
overnight bag with him,
985
01:16:46,811 --> 01:16:50,689
which I thought
was very sad and pathetic
986
01:16:50,773 --> 01:16:53,776
because he sat
with it on his knee
987
01:16:53,859 --> 01:16:59,073
and I thought, on the way,
988
01:16:59,156 --> 01:17:00,449
as I was driving down
989
01:17:00,533 --> 01:17:04,829
I thought I should
take him to the boat
990
01:17:04,912 --> 01:17:08,999
or I should...
Or why doesn't
he jump out of the car?
991
01:17:09,083 --> 01:17:12,795
Why doesn't he smack me
on the head and run away?
992
01:17:12,878 --> 01:17:16,006
Why doesn't he do something
to save himself?
993
01:17:16,090 --> 01:17:22,012
But I realized that, you know,
his loyalty and his dedication
994
01:17:22,096 --> 01:17:25,432
to the movement was such that
he had accepted his fate.
995
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:30,688
And my dedication
to the movement was such that
996
01:17:30,813 --> 01:17:33,023
I couldn't have
taken him to the boat
997
01:17:33,107 --> 01:17:36,068
because I would have
been disobeying my orders
998
01:17:36,152 --> 01:17:39,280
and I would have been
acting contrary
999
01:17:39,363 --> 01:17:43,450
to what I believed in.
1000
01:17:43,534 --> 01:17:46,787
And I know
Joe had done wrong, um...
1001
01:17:49,165 --> 01:17:53,961
I... I couldn't have seen
any other sentence for him
1002
01:17:54,170 --> 01:17:56,463
other than that,
and I think he accepted.
1003
01:17:56,547 --> 01:17:58,674
He accepted his fate fully.
1004
01:18:21,405 --> 01:18:23,574
He shook my handand he thanked me
1005
01:18:24,408 --> 01:18:25,576
for driving him
1006
01:18:25,659 --> 01:18:27,870
and I said, "Well,I'll see you, Joe,"
1007
01:18:28,913 --> 01:18:31,415
knowing full wellthat I wouldn't see him again.
1008
01:18:57,191 --> 01:18:59,193
[sniffles]
1009
01:19:08,702 --> 01:19:12,081
I couldn't livewith the failure
1010
01:19:12,164 --> 01:19:14,875
of what my life's purposehad been.
1011
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My life's purpose had beento fight the fight
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that had been established
and had been conducted
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throughout my family
over the generations
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and to realize that
it had all been for nothing.
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