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We all tell stories.
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Our own stories,stories about others.
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Some stories become partof our official history
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and can change the waywe look at the world.
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Some stories can changethe way we look at ourselves.
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I've been telling otherpeople's stories
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for a couple of decades,
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which is just another wayof saying
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that I'm a journalist.
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Telling Ismael's story
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had been one of my careerhighlights.
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I thought it was one ofthe easiest stories to tell.
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It turned out to beone of the hardest.
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Michelle: When Ismaelwas 13-years-old,
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a group that called itselfthe Islamic Courts Union
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seized control of Mogadishu.
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That sent shock wavesthroughout the West
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and dire warningsthat this group
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was the African Taliban.
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In Somalia though,
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there was some cautiousoptimism.
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The group definitelyhad some radical members.
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But they also had moderatepoliticians.
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And most importantly,
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they managed to take power awayfrom corrupt warlords.
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They brought a semblanceof peace.
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But, that stabilitydidn't last long.
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After less than a yearin control,
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Ethiopian troops backedby the US invaded Somalia
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to push out the IslamicCourts Union.
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Then came two devastating yearsof war.
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And during that conflict,
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a group called Al Shabaab,
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gained tremendous power.
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Once the war ended
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and Ethiopia was pushed backacross the border,
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Al Shabaab was there to stay.
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And over the years they evolvedinto a terrorist group
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forcing countless childsoldiers into their ranks.
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By the time Ismaelwas 16-years-old,
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Al Shabaab had officiallyjoined forces with Al Qaeda.
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Michelle: Holding you down.
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Yeah.
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She never tells you
how she feels.
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I never get emotional
talking this,
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Michelle: I first met Ismael
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on a reporting tripto Mogadishu.
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Somalia had always been
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one of my favourite countriesto cover.
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It's a fascinating,resilient place,
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although so often horriblyfrustrating and tragic.
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As a national securitycorrespondent
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for the Toronto Star,
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my beat was to coverthe conflict.
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But I tried to highlightthe positive too.
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Over the years,
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many of the contacts I madeprofessionally
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became good friends.
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I think that often happensin risky places
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where the stakes are so high.
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Sahal Abdulle,
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a Canadian and former photojournalist with Reuters,
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is one of those close friends.
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During the war with Ethiopia,
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he barely surviveda car bombing.
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That bombing did killAli Sharmake,
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another Somali Canadianjournalist
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and a friend of ours.
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Sahal: We, as a journalist,
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we report so we can makea difference.
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We are a journalist.
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We're supposed to be observer,
not to be part of it.
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But it is...
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I mean when you talk
about that it is...
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yes, at the end of the day
you are a human being.
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So when you see kids being
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Person missing,
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elderly lady missing a leg
or hand.
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It will, it will affect you.
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You don't, you think,okay, you make a difference,
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you might stop this.
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And things still continue.
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And you go like:what's the point?
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Michelle: No matter how manytimes I went to Somalia
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or the connections I made,
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there was always the uneaseof being an outsider.
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I understood my place.
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And I did feel what I was doingwas important.
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But sometimes I just feltguilty too.
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Because I would come and go,taking stories with me.
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And if the stories didn'tmake a difference,
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what was the point of askingpeople to tell them.
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During a trip in 2010,
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a contact of mine told me
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there was someone I neededto meet.
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Do you remember
when we first met?
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Michelle: And I remember when
we took this, this picture,
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there were four boys
that this happened to.
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But Ismael was the only one
who was sort of willing
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and most eager to talk.
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And he sat down. I said I'll
need to take a picture.
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And the escorts were yelling:
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It was time to go, time to go.
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And he just sat down
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and he took off
his prosthetic leg
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and he put his hand up.
And he just struck this pose.
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And, I remember
I started crying.
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I was trying to focus
the camera.
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Because he just looked so young
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and it was so horrific
what happened.
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And then as I was leaving,
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because everything in Mogadishuthen happened so fast,
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and, you know, here I am in myflack jacket and my helmet
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and he's in, you know,
sitting there on a couch.
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Probably after I leave
I don't know where he's going.
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And as I left he was saying -
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begging me to take him
to Canada.
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And he looked on my bag
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and there was a little
Canadian pin.
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And um, so I, you know,
took the--
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I said: Do you want this?
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And so I gave him the pin
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and my last image of him
was down on his -
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he dropped it and he was
trying to find it.
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And I'll probably start crying
telling this story now. Um...
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I guess I was getting cynical.
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But I really thought his storywould be among those
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that were just toldand forgotten.
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But, something unexpectedhappened.
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The story prompted actionin Canada.
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Toronto's powerful Somalidiaspora
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started a group they calledProject Ismael,
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and they raised funds,spread his story
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and tried to get him help.
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Sahal made it his personalmission
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to get Ismael to safety.
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The little kid who went
through this one.
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I said that's fine,
I will try to help you,
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ah, to take you from this pain
and ah, and what have you.
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And at that particular time,
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I don't know how,
but in my mind I said
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this kid went through
so, let's, let's help him
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regardless of what happened,
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who did it or what have you.
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I just saw this human beingwho needed help.
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I can't save Somalia,
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but I think I can try to saveat least this kid.
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Michelle: And Sahal didrescue him.
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He managed to get Ismaelout of Mogadishu to Nairobi,
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where he unofficiallyadopted him.
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Since Ismael had escapedAl Shabaab's custody,
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he was still at risk in Kenya
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where the group had a presence.
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But just a few months later,
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the United Nations acceptedIsmael
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as a refugee in needof immediate help.
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And they quickly found hima home.
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Ismael was given refugein Harstad, Norway,
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200 kilometres northof the Arctic Circle.
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That was 2011.
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And Ismael didwhat was expected of him.
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He went to high school,became fluent in Norwegian,
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joined a local soccer team.
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And I kept telling his story,
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writing updates abouthow well he was doing.
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The next chapter in Ismael'sstory came in April 2018.
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That's when he got hisNorwegian citizenship.
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I was really excited for him.
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He had been homesick
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and desperately wantedto visit family and friends
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back in Somalia.
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Once he had that Norwegianpassport,
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he could return homefor the first time
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since fleeing almosta decade earlier.
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And I would go with him
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to film, to keep tellinghis story.
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What's that?
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It's the national anthem
or the--
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Do you know it?
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Woman: Ishmael Khalif Abdulle.
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Michelle: I thought hispassport would bring relief.
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He was a full-fledgedNorwegian citizen
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with all the protectionsthat brought.
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We could start planninghis trip to Mogadishu now.
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But once I got back to Toronto,
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he started sendingworrying texts.
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Ismael had agreedto come to Toronto
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following a terrible summer.
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After getting those texts,
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I had gone to see him inNorway, without the camera.
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He told me he had sufferedas breakdown.
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He'd lost his apartmentand had to get a new one.
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He stopped going to school.
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I thought maybe comingto Toronto would help.
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He had wanted to meet themembers of Project Ismael.
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He said he'd always dreamedof Canada.
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And when we were together,
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we could figure out howto film his trip home.
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But I was starting to worry
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that I was pushing himtoo hard.
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Was this about himor the story or both?
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George: I'm very excitedto have a great run,
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Michelle Shephardis on her way in.
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First let's set this up.
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On September 10th, 2001,
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Michelle Shephardwas in Toronto
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reporting on a purse snatchingfor the Toronto Star.
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It seemed like an importantstory at the time.
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Next day, Michelle stoodin Manhattan,
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September 11th, ground zero,
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breathing in dust from thefallen World Trade Center.
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She didn't know it then,but that moment
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was the beginning of a tenyear journey,
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a journey she has writtenabout in her book called
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"Decade of Fear."
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Please welcome
Michele Shephard.
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- How are you?
- Hi.
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- So nice to see you.
- Nice to see you. Thanks.
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You can walk into a scenario
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and you can start to tell
a story.
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But the more you tell
a story the closer
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- you're going to get to it.
- Yeah.
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And then you have to
re-evaluate what your role is.
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What is your role now
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when you try to tell people
these stories?
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I think I want to bring
the parts of the world
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that I don't think people
understand home to them.
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So I'm so lucky that
at the Star
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they've given me this really
long leash
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that I can travel the world.
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So people are not gonna
be able to go to Somali,
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people are not gonna be able
to go to Yemen,
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parts of Pakistan, Guantanamo
Bay way too many times.
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So what I try and do is,
is, you know,
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bring, bring the people
who are there their stories.
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So that they're not just
thought of as, you know,
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the other or um, a country
that we don't understand.
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I try and bring that home.
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Can you do that and not
get too close to a story?
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No. I mean you get too close.
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I think this idea of being of
pure objectivity in journalism,
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it just doesn't exist.
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Um, I think you do your best to
tell the story from all sides.
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But of course you get really
close, yeah.
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There's a lot of stories
that I've come close to.
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I'm really excited to go
pick him up.
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It's just weird that I actually
feel so nervous.
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I actually do feel nervous.
I don't know why.
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I'm obviously excited,
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but I think because he's been
through so much,
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ah, since we last filmed
with him,
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which was in Norway
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when we did the citizenship
ah, ceremony.
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And I just think he had such
a crash after that
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and we were all so worried
about him.
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And I guess, yeah, I just,
I guess, I feel nervous,
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that I hope he's okay.
260
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Hey, Mama.
Both: Good to see you.
261
00:24:00,482 --> 00:24:01,570
- How are you doing?
- Good. How are you doing?
262
00:24:01,701 --> 00:24:03,180
- I'm doing--
- You must be so tired.
263
00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:09,926
They stopped you
a hundred times?
264
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:15,454
- At ah, where though?
- Here.
265
00:24:15,584 --> 00:24:17,760
Like at the Customs here?
Oh no.
266
00:24:23,244 --> 00:24:24,941
Did you say what--
Oh, I'm sure they loved that.
267
00:24:29,511 --> 00:24:31,339
Really?
268
00:24:35,822 --> 00:24:37,606
Seriously? The Custom agent
looked at Google,
269
00:24:37,737 --> 00:24:39,826
like at the stories.
Oh, that's ridiculous.
270
00:24:44,700 --> 00:24:46,310
God.
271
00:24:50,401 --> 00:24:52,273
Do you want to practice
driving when you're here?
272
00:24:52,403 --> 00:24:54,275
- Really?
- No.
273
00:24:56,712 --> 00:24:58,235
Yeah, I wish.
274
00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:01,543
All right.
275
00:25:03,284 --> 00:25:05,242
This is it.
276
00:25:10,944 --> 00:25:12,511
- Looks nice.
- It's cute, eh? Yeah.
277
00:25:12,641 --> 00:25:14,295
It is cute.
278
00:25:17,603 --> 00:25:19,779
And it's cheaper than
a hotel room. Go figure.
279
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:21,607
Wow.
280
00:25:22,825 --> 00:25:25,393
It's very nice place.
281
00:25:26,742 --> 00:25:28,265
Look a TV.
282
00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:33,270
The phone.
283
00:25:38,275 --> 00:25:39,842
Man: All right,welcome to CN Tower.
284
00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:41,496
Bonjour,bienvenue à la Tour CN.
285
00:25:41,627 --> 00:25:44,064
La version françaiseétait sync.
286
00:25:44,194 --> 00:25:46,240
And we're heading upat 20 kilometres per hour.
287
00:25:46,370 --> 00:25:48,416
That's 15 miles per hour.
288
00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:50,549
It takes about 58 secondsto reach the lookout level.
289
00:25:50,679 --> 00:25:52,376
- Any questions?- Do you have any questions?
290
00:25:54,291 --> 00:25:56,772
- You can look down as well.
- Oh shit.
291
00:25:56,903 --> 00:25:58,948
Man: Yeah.
All:
292
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Michelle: It was fun filmingin Toronto with Ismael.
293
00:26:02,082 --> 00:26:05,041
It felt like I was just showinga friend around my hometown.
294
00:26:06,477 --> 00:26:07,870
Man: Please watch yourselfon the way out.
295
00:26:08,001 --> 00:26:09,742
- Oh. Yeah.
- Yeah.
296
00:26:09,872 --> 00:26:11,178
Remember I said there
was another airport.
297
00:26:11,308 --> 00:26:13,006
That's over here.
298
00:26:13,136 --> 00:26:15,965
He said he felt strongerand he definitely seemed it.
299
00:26:17,184 --> 00:26:19,273
But he was still uneasy
300
00:26:19,403 --> 00:26:21,231
whenever the camera came on.
301
00:26:21,362 --> 00:26:24,321
It seemed like he felt he hadto perform for the film,
302
00:26:25,584 --> 00:26:27,629
to take on the role of Ismael
303
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,153
the always grateful refugee.
304
00:26:30,284 --> 00:26:32,416
The Toronto Star, I showed you
over there, that's like there.
305
00:26:33,592 --> 00:26:35,376
Do you want to take any notes
306
00:26:35,506 --> 00:26:36,943
or anything this afternoonbefore we go?
307
00:26:46,561 --> 00:26:48,650
But, you know, you've had
some tough times there too.
308
00:26:48,781 --> 00:26:50,304
- Absolutely, yeah.
- Right?
309
00:26:50,434 --> 00:26:52,480
That's okay to say all that.
Like just be completely honest
310
00:26:52,611 --> 00:26:54,787
because, you know,
all of that is your story
311
00:26:54,917 --> 00:26:57,354
and all of that makes sense
to people here.
312
00:26:57,485 --> 00:26:59,356
Yeah. I will.
313
00:26:59,487 --> 00:27:01,228
You know, because sometimes
I think even the stories
314
00:27:01,358 --> 00:27:03,796
that, you know, I've done
on you over the years
315
00:27:03,926 --> 00:27:06,625
for the newspaper,
316
00:27:06,755 --> 00:27:09,584
it's always like the happy
refugee story, right?
317
00:27:09,715 --> 00:27:11,586
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
318
00:27:11,717 --> 00:27:14,502
Like look at him,
he's doing so great in Harstad.
319
00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:16,504
You know, wow, this kid
from Mogadishu is -
320
00:27:16,635 --> 00:27:19,202
and, and, you know,
that's sort of -
321
00:27:19,333 --> 00:27:21,770
those are the kind of stories
that people want to believe.
322
00:27:21,901 --> 00:27:23,946
But it's more complicated
than that.
323
00:28:00,679 --> 00:28:02,245
And that's what happened
to you.
324
00:28:31,971 --> 00:28:33,973
Hello, Mohamed.
325
00:28:35,278 --> 00:28:38,368
Who is this?
Oh my God, oh my God,
326
00:28:38,499 --> 00:28:40,719
oh my God, oh my God...
327
00:28:52,992 --> 00:28:55,908
- I think it won't take youmore than a few seconds
328
00:28:56,038 --> 00:28:59,389
to realize what a special,special man he is.
329
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,305
When I met him when everythingthat happened to him,
330
00:29:02,436 --> 00:29:05,134
he was just a teenager.
331
00:29:05,265 --> 00:29:07,136
I want him to tell his ownstory.
332
00:29:07,267 --> 00:29:09,138
He's a little bit nervous,
even though he's,
333
00:29:09,269 --> 00:29:10,836
- he's told it...
- I am nervous.
334
00:29:10,966 --> 00:29:13,621
many times before, very
patiently to me many times.
335
00:29:13,752 --> 00:29:15,754
So please, please help me
336
00:29:15,884 --> 00:29:18,191
in giving him a warm
introduction.
337
00:29:24,763 --> 00:29:26,765
Thank you.
338
00:29:30,464 --> 00:29:31,813
Thank you so much.
339
00:30:59,161 --> 00:31:00,597
Thank you very much.
340
00:31:11,391 --> 00:31:13,915
Michelle: That Toronto tripwas the last time I saw Ismael
341
00:31:14,046 --> 00:31:16,352
before we returned to Somalia.
342
00:31:18,267 --> 00:31:19,660
The irony wasn't lost on me.
343
00:31:21,314 --> 00:31:24,012
The Toronto Star storywas part, however small,
344
00:31:24,143 --> 00:31:27,798
of the reason he was ableto escape Mogadishu.
345
00:31:27,929 --> 00:31:30,758
Now I was helpingbring him back.
346
00:31:39,549 --> 00:31:42,422
- Hey, Sahal.
- Yes. Hey Ismael.
347
00:31:42,552 --> 00:31:43,989
Hello...
348
00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:46,556
We should talk a little
bit about Mogadishu.
349
00:31:46,687 --> 00:31:48,645
What's it going to be like
when we get there,
350
00:31:48,776 --> 00:31:50,909
like the security concerns?
351
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,737
Because I know Ismael was
talking about going there
352
00:31:53,868 --> 00:31:56,566
for a long time. And you
and I were talking, Sahal,
353
00:31:56,697 --> 00:31:59,961
earlier about maybe
that's not smart right now.
354
00:32:00,092 --> 00:32:03,486
Like it's still, still not
entirely safe in that way.
355
00:32:20,721 --> 00:32:23,637
So I wouldn't recommend him
356
00:32:23,767 --> 00:32:25,378
to stay on an extended visit.
357
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,989
So a quick visit to see
the family
358
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,470
and not cross certain streets
359
00:32:31,775 --> 00:32:34,604
would be, I think, my advice.
360
00:32:34,735 --> 00:32:36,998
And ah, to make this short,
361
00:32:38,391 --> 00:32:40,959
maybe a week,
maximum two weeks.
362
00:32:42,612 --> 00:32:45,702
Would he still be targeted
because of who he is?
363
00:32:45,833 --> 00:32:48,879
Or is it just anybody
right now?
364
00:33:00,282 --> 00:33:02,415
All right, we will see you
in Mogadishu soon.
365
00:33:02,545 --> 00:33:05,070
- Thank you.
- Okay. Sahal. A salaam.
366
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:06,854
- A salaam. Good night.
- Bye.
367
00:33:08,203 --> 00:33:09,770
All right, thank you,
bye bye.
368
00:33:09,900 --> 00:33:11,511
Bye bye.
369
00:33:17,125 --> 00:33:18,953
Michelle: He couldn't waitto return.
370
00:33:19,084 --> 00:33:21,216
But I was just nervous.
371
00:33:21,347 --> 00:33:23,218
Would he be triggeredgoing back
372
00:33:23,349 --> 00:33:25,177
and have another breakdown?
373
00:33:25,307 --> 00:33:27,831
And how would he feelwhen he was there,
374
00:33:27,962 --> 00:33:30,356
having this white film crewfollow him around?
375
00:33:31,922 --> 00:33:33,533
The ways in which I had become
376
00:33:33,663 --> 00:33:36,449
part of his lifemade me uneasy.
377
00:33:36,579 --> 00:33:39,321
It felt like I was breakingthe rule
378
00:33:39,452 --> 00:33:41,932
we always try to keepin journalism:
379
00:33:42,063 --> 00:33:44,326
Don't become part of the story.
380
00:33:44,457 --> 00:33:46,937
Was I still helping him
381
00:33:47,068 --> 00:33:48,809
or was I just complicatinghis life?
382
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:59,254
Just as we were in the finalstages of planning our trip,
383
00:33:59,385 --> 00:34:01,996
violence spiked againin Mogadishu.
384
00:34:03,302 --> 00:34:05,391
Al Shabaab was stilla serious threat.
385
00:34:23,322 --> 00:34:27,108
Yeah, I just wanted to,to get details for the trip
386
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,285
and talk a little bit about
some safety concerns
387
00:34:30,416 --> 00:34:32,200
and things too.
388
00:34:32,331 --> 00:34:34,855
Because I don't know if you saw
the last bombing they had was...
389
00:34:34,985 --> 00:34:37,075
- Yeah.
- Sahal was,
390
00:34:37,205 --> 00:34:39,468
Sahal was pretty upset
about it. It was close -
391
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:41,775
kind of close to his house and
he was there with his kids.
392
00:34:41,905 --> 00:34:44,386
And um, so He feels -
393
00:34:44,517 --> 00:34:46,475
I think he feels really nervous
about you coming,
394
00:34:46,606 --> 00:34:48,651
so I want us to like
talk through that
395
00:34:48,782 --> 00:34:50,349
and make sure you're okay
with it
396
00:34:50,479 --> 00:34:52,829
and he's okay with it
and all of that.
397
00:35:44,533 --> 00:35:47,319
Announcement: Ladies and
Gentleman welcome to Mogadishu.
398
00:36:04,074 --> 00:36:05,685
Bye. Bye bye.
399
00:36:33,539 --> 00:36:36,803
Michelle: Mogadishu may not bethe conflict zone it once was.
400
00:36:36,933 --> 00:36:40,415
But almost no foreigners stayedfar from the airport compound,
401
00:36:40,546 --> 00:36:43,810
a type of green zone thatSomalis call Container City.
402
00:36:43,940 --> 00:36:45,725
This is home sweet home, guys.
403
00:36:50,904 --> 00:36:53,167
Security is mandatory.
404
00:36:55,648 --> 00:36:57,345
As soon as we got there,
405
00:36:57,476 --> 00:37:00,348
everyone seemed on edgeabout Ismael's safety too.
406
00:37:02,220 --> 00:37:04,222
He was high profile,so that put him at risk.
407
00:37:05,484 --> 00:37:06,702
And he had embarrassedAl Shabaab
408
00:37:06,833 --> 00:37:08,791
by escaping their custody
409
00:37:08,922 --> 00:37:11,054
and telling the worldhis story.
410
00:37:11,185 --> 00:37:13,448
That made him a marked man.
411
00:37:15,189 --> 00:37:17,365
Al Shabaab still had a presenceon the outskirts of the city
412
00:37:17,496 --> 00:37:19,498
and many spies within it.
413
00:37:26,592 --> 00:37:28,376
Attitude, you know.
414
00:37:28,507 --> 00:37:30,248
If I give attitude back
it will be okay.
415
00:37:38,865 --> 00:37:40,083
What is that?
What does that mean,
416
00:37:40,214 --> 00:37:41,650
like a Mogadishu attitude?
417
00:38:07,981 --> 00:38:10,549
Michelle: The Peace Hotelcompound was a little oasis of,
418
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:12,768
well, peace.
419
00:38:12,899 --> 00:38:15,380
But outside,the city was on edge.
420
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:17,425
There was a lockdownand a curfew.
421
00:38:17,556 --> 00:38:19,949
People were frustrated.
422
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,082
There had been too manyattacks.
423
00:38:22,212 --> 00:38:24,258
Bombings and shootings in areas
424
00:38:24,389 --> 00:38:27,043
that were supposedto be secure.
425
00:38:27,174 --> 00:38:28,784
Anger was building towardsthe government.
426
00:38:41,667 --> 00:38:44,104
Security of coursealways brings comfort.
427
00:38:44,234 --> 00:38:46,628
But my greatest sense of relief
428
00:38:46,759 --> 00:38:48,587
came when I saw Sahal.
429
00:38:52,678 --> 00:38:55,376
There were very few tripsI had ever made to Mogadishu
430
00:38:55,507 --> 00:38:57,639
without his guidance.
431
00:38:57,770 --> 00:39:00,381
And it felt even more crucialand personal
432
00:39:00,512 --> 00:39:03,166
for this trip with Ismael.
433
00:39:05,517 --> 00:39:08,041
It didn't take long to geta sense of the city's anger
434
00:39:08,171 --> 00:39:11,566
and insecurity playing outon the streets.
435
00:39:11,697 --> 00:39:14,917
A rickshaw driver had been shotdead by security forces.
436
00:39:16,571 --> 00:39:18,791
Mere minutes later,protests erupted
437
00:39:18,921 --> 00:39:21,576
and then were violentlysuppressed.
438
00:39:21,707 --> 00:39:24,927
All of this was on the routeto where Ismael's family lived.
439
00:39:28,061 --> 00:39:29,671
This is right now.
440
00:39:31,064 --> 00:39:32,718
They're carrying the body
of the rickshaw driver
441
00:39:32,848 --> 00:39:34,633
that was just killed.
442
00:39:36,417 --> 00:39:37,897
It just makes me worry
for the city
443
00:39:38,027 --> 00:39:39,115
when it happens that fast,
you know.
444
00:39:44,556 --> 00:39:45,861
No.
445
00:39:49,343 --> 00:39:50,866
- That's exciting?
- Yeah.
446
00:40:05,838 --> 00:40:07,405
Tell me the last time
you saw her.
447
00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:23,029
Where did you see her
the last time?
448
00:40:43,745 --> 00:40:45,878
You must have missed her
a lot. - Mmm?
449
00:40:46,008 --> 00:40:47,488
You must have missed her
a lot.
450
00:40:53,146 --> 00:40:54,408
Go ahead.
451
00:41:04,549 --> 00:41:06,202
- They're waiting now? Okay.
- Yes.
452
00:41:14,036 --> 00:41:16,343
Our security escortwas ready to go.
453
00:41:16,474 --> 00:41:18,476
But Ismael's family reunionwould have to wait.
454
00:41:21,348 --> 00:41:23,045
Thank you.
455
00:41:24,569 --> 00:41:26,614
His relatives lived outsidethe city limits.
456
00:41:26,745 --> 00:41:28,747
And the logisticsand safety concerns
457
00:41:28,877 --> 00:41:31,663
made it too risky for himto go there.
458
00:41:31,793 --> 00:41:34,579
So for now we would just doa small tour
459
00:41:34,709 --> 00:41:36,668
so he could see the cityhe left behind.
460
00:41:45,894 --> 00:41:47,635
But all this securityto drive around?
461
00:41:47,766 --> 00:41:49,811
The drama?
462
00:41:49,942 --> 00:41:51,596
It was neededbecause we were there.
463
00:41:52,858 --> 00:41:54,729
Foreigners are high risktargets.
464
00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:57,602
And this is one of theuncomfortable realities
465
00:41:57,732 --> 00:41:59,778
of being a foreigncorrespondent.
466
00:41:59,908 --> 00:42:02,737
You only see the citythrough this lens
467
00:42:02,868 --> 00:42:05,392
and there's an unfairpower dynamic.
468
00:42:06,828 --> 00:42:09,091
Ismael never travelledlike this as a kid.
469
00:42:10,789 --> 00:42:12,573
And he wouldn't travel quitelike this when we left him.
470
00:42:44,823 --> 00:42:46,868
The explosion was relativelysmall.
471
00:42:46,999 --> 00:42:49,871
A car was on fireand traffic was diverted.
472
00:42:50,002 --> 00:42:52,831
But this was on Mogadishu'smain thoroughfare,
473
00:42:52,961 --> 00:42:55,573
one of its most secure streets.
474
00:42:55,703 --> 00:42:57,444
Man: You have seen
a little bit.
475
00:42:58,793 --> 00:43:00,360
As we filmed,
476
00:43:00,490 --> 00:43:02,580
it was obvious how muchattention we drew.
477
00:43:04,146 --> 00:43:06,366
We worried about putting Ismaelat any greater risk.
478
00:43:09,848 --> 00:43:11,371
It was decided thathis family would meet
479
00:43:11,501 --> 00:43:13,982
at the hotel instead.
480
00:43:14,113 --> 00:43:16,071
And for security reasonswe wouldn't film.
481
00:43:19,814 --> 00:43:21,642
So you just came
from visiting your family.
482
00:43:29,650 --> 00:43:31,173
What was it like?
483
00:43:38,877 --> 00:43:40,835
Well, tell, tell me about it.
Like what was it like?
484
00:44:10,256 --> 00:44:11,866
- Go eat dinner?
- Yeah.
485
00:44:15,478 --> 00:44:18,525
If that felt awkward to watch,you're right.
486
00:44:18,656 --> 00:44:20,832
It felt weird as we filmed it.
487
00:44:20,962 --> 00:44:23,095
Almost staged.
488
00:44:25,532 --> 00:44:28,840
Ismael had been so excitedabout seeing his family again.
489
00:44:28,970 --> 00:44:31,190
But he didn't seem
to want to talk about it.
490
00:44:32,844 --> 00:44:35,585
I wondered, did we ruin thehomecoming by being there?
491
00:44:35,716 --> 00:44:37,370
Or was he upset
492
00:44:37,500 --> 00:44:39,720
because he felt he couldn'tsafely move back here?
493
00:44:43,202 --> 00:44:44,943
The day beforeI left Mogadishu,
494
00:44:45,073 --> 00:44:47,119
he asked us if I couldchange his flight
495
00:44:47,249 --> 00:44:50,078
because he wanted to stay muchlonger than the two weeks
496
00:44:50,209 --> 00:44:52,254
he and Sahal had agreed upon.
497
00:44:52,385 --> 00:44:54,474
It was too risky to staywith his family.
498
00:44:54,604 --> 00:44:57,042
So he would rely on friendsin the city.
499
00:44:57,172 --> 00:44:59,218
But he was so high profile.
500
00:44:59,348 --> 00:45:01,655
And we worried news of hisreturn to Mogadishu
501
00:45:01,786 --> 00:45:03,701
would travel fast.
502
00:45:03,831 --> 00:45:06,791
Sahal is one of them mostcareful planners I know.
503
00:45:06,921 --> 00:45:09,097
And this change reallyworried him.
504
00:45:11,186 --> 00:45:12,448
What's going on?
505
00:45:17,802 --> 00:45:19,194
Me too.
506
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:30,771
Well, we should do our last
interview with you
507
00:45:30,902 --> 00:45:32,991
if you're running off,
508
00:45:33,121 --> 00:45:35,733
if you want to get linked up
with Jim.
509
00:45:37,473 --> 00:45:39,301
What's going on with you?!
510
00:45:39,432 --> 00:45:40,738
No, it's like you're
a different person.
511
00:45:54,795 --> 00:45:58,190
Even though I had less trauma
than what he went through,
512
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,194
I still, it took me time
to come to Mogadishu too.
513
00:46:02,324 --> 00:46:05,240
So I was sort of being
protective.
514
00:46:07,242 --> 00:46:09,244
He was a bit rebellious.
515
00:46:09,375 --> 00:46:11,638
So you, you don't understand
516
00:46:11,769 --> 00:46:14,032
what I went through in Norway.
517
00:46:37,925 --> 00:46:39,666
I was the father figure.
518
00:46:39,797 --> 00:46:41,711
I, you don't want to go.
519
00:46:41,842 --> 00:46:44,584
The place is not ah,
as safe as you think.
520
00:46:46,151 --> 00:46:48,544
Ah, all these people
that he might mix up
521
00:46:50,155 --> 00:46:53,680
might not have his best
interest at heart.
522
00:47:36,288 --> 00:47:37,637
Michelle: We've got to go
back in and we'll be back.
523
00:47:37,767 --> 00:47:39,073
Okay, thanks a lot.
524
00:47:39,204 --> 00:47:41,119
Where's your car?
525
00:47:41,249 --> 00:47:43,164
Driving up.
526
00:47:46,428 --> 00:47:48,343
Ismael, listen.
What do I know?
527
00:47:48,474 --> 00:47:49,997
I know nothing, right?
I'm not Somali.
528
00:47:50,128 --> 00:47:53,174
But everybody has told us
like you're -
529
00:47:53,305 --> 00:47:55,220
everybody is telling us
they're worried about you.
530
00:47:55,350 --> 00:47:56,917
So of course I'm going to
be worried about you too.
531
00:48:16,676 --> 00:48:18,286
How long can you what?
532
00:48:29,863 --> 00:48:31,560
All right.
533
00:48:31,691 --> 00:48:33,301
Well, so I'm not gonna see you
for a bit now.
534
00:48:36,652 --> 00:48:38,045
Are you going to Skype
like every week?
535
00:48:49,230 --> 00:48:50,666
- Okay. Be careful.
- Yeah.
536
00:49:30,663 --> 00:49:32,795
There was another world outsidethe gates of the hotel,
537
00:49:32,926 --> 00:49:35,624
one that's not reflectedin the news coverage.
538
00:49:35,755 --> 00:49:37,278
I didn't get to see it mucheither.
539
00:49:38,932 --> 00:49:42,196
But this view of Mogadishuis full of stunning beaches.
540
00:49:42,327 --> 00:49:44,720
There's a vibrant cultureof food,
541
00:49:44,851 --> 00:49:47,332
community, sports, poetry,music and art.
542
00:49:50,204 --> 00:49:52,641
I was really hoping this iswhat Ismael would return to,
543
00:49:52,772 --> 00:49:54,904
an authentic Mogadishu
544
00:49:55,035 --> 00:49:57,124
where he could find some peace.
545
00:49:57,255 --> 00:49:59,170
But as I left the city,
546
00:49:59,300 --> 00:50:01,650
I felt nothing but dread.
547
00:50:01,781 --> 00:50:04,262
A terrible combinationof feeling responsible
548
00:50:04,392 --> 00:50:06,177
and helpless at the same time.
549
00:50:12,226 --> 00:50:13,619
All right,
let me try him again.
550
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:29,983
I hope he answers.
551
00:50:39,210 --> 00:50:40,559
Okay.
552
00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:43,779
Let me try him again
because he was on -
553
00:50:45,651 --> 00:50:47,827
he was on Facebook
three minutes ago
554
00:50:47,957 --> 00:50:50,090
and Skype seven minutes ago.
555
00:51:04,713 --> 00:51:06,976
Hm, he's ghosting me.
556
00:51:13,505 --> 00:51:16,508
Whatever he does now,
it is up to him.
557
00:51:16,638 --> 00:51:20,642
I mean nobody is responsible
for anybody's mistake
558
00:51:20,773 --> 00:51:23,080
and ah, responsibility.
559
00:51:23,210 --> 00:51:25,212
God made you -
560
00:51:25,343 --> 00:51:28,868
all men responsible for your
deeds and what have you.
561
00:51:28,998 --> 00:51:30,957
And I now believe
562
00:51:31,088 --> 00:51:33,568
we give him a chance to,
563
00:51:35,918 --> 00:51:38,356
regardless of what we hear now,
564
00:51:38,486 --> 00:51:40,140
to live as a normal human
being.
565
00:51:42,186 --> 00:51:44,057
Michelle: Ismael ended upstaying in Mogadishu
566
00:51:44,188 --> 00:51:46,103
for three months.
567
00:51:46,233 --> 00:51:49,454
And when he did reach outit was mainly by text.
568
00:51:49,584 --> 00:51:52,370
And it was clear somethingwas going on with him.
569
00:52:39,504 --> 00:52:41,897
Dr. Anthony Feinsteinwas a friend of Sahal's
570
00:52:42,028 --> 00:52:44,291
and also a friend of mine.
571
00:52:44,422 --> 00:52:47,251
He specialized in the fieldof PTSD
572
00:52:47,381 --> 00:52:48,904
and had helped many journalistsI knew
573
00:52:49,035 --> 00:52:50,863
after they experienced trauma.
574
00:52:50,993 --> 00:52:52,604
He had helped Sahal recover
575
00:52:52,734 --> 00:52:54,388
in the months that followedthe car bombing
576
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:56,608
where he was nearly killed.
577
00:52:56,738 --> 00:52:59,350
So we're doing this
documentary on um,
578
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,831
this great kid that I met
in Mogadishu in 2010.
579
00:53:02,962 --> 00:53:04,572
I think I've told you his story
in the past.
580
00:53:04,703 --> 00:53:06,618
Yeah.
581
00:53:06,748 --> 00:53:09,098
So, this summer we went -
or in the spring,
582
00:53:09,229 --> 00:53:11,144
we went and filmed him
in Norway.
583
00:53:11,275 --> 00:53:14,016
And after that he had a
massive, massive breakdown.
584
00:53:15,844 --> 00:53:19,544
And it was I think kind
of the first real breakdown,
585
00:53:19,674 --> 00:53:22,721
were he fully broke down
since the incident.
586
00:53:24,331 --> 00:53:26,899
Do you have-- I mean, you've
studied PTSD for years now,
587
00:53:27,029 --> 00:53:28,944
- Mm-hmm.
- mainly with journalists.
588
00:53:29,075 --> 00:53:31,425
But I think it's probably
similar to victims
589
00:53:31,556 --> 00:53:33,819
- of terrorism as well.
- Yes.
590
00:53:33,949 --> 00:53:37,736
Is that common to have that
kind of breakdown
591
00:53:39,303 --> 00:53:40,652
so many years later? I'm trying
to understand from afar.
592
00:53:40,782 --> 00:53:42,436
So it is uncommon
but it is recognized.
593
00:53:42,567 --> 00:53:45,047
There is a category of, of PTSD
594
00:53:45,178 --> 00:53:46,745
called the late onset,
595
00:53:46,875 --> 00:53:49,313
which by definition it
has to be a gap of time,
596
00:53:49,443 --> 00:53:51,837
they said arbitrarily
at six months
597
00:53:51,967 --> 00:53:53,578
but it can be quite
a long time after that.
598
00:53:53,708 --> 00:53:56,189
That initial trauma
599
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:59,671
can come back and...
with a vengeance
600
00:53:59,801 --> 00:54:03,501
and show up as very typical
PTSD type symptoms
601
00:54:03,631 --> 00:54:06,373
that might be triggered
by a particular event
602
00:54:07,766 --> 00:54:10,682
that makes the person
recollect images
603
00:54:10,812 --> 00:54:13,467
or memories of what they
endured.
604
00:54:13,598 --> 00:54:15,600
So there could be a trigger
for it.
605
00:54:15,730 --> 00:54:18,211
We now have this friendship.
606
00:54:18,342 --> 00:54:20,213
I'm almost like an older
sibling to him.
607
00:54:20,344 --> 00:54:22,171
And I actually don't know
how to deal with it.
608
00:54:22,302 --> 00:54:23,782
It's, it's a weird position
to be in.
609
00:54:23,912 --> 00:54:26,567
Because I still have sort
of the journalism backbone.
610
00:54:26,698 --> 00:54:28,830
You know. And do you find that
with other journalists?
611
00:54:28,961 --> 00:54:30,832
Are you finding that
in the field?
612
00:54:30,963 --> 00:54:34,096
Well, you know, I think you
touch on something which is -
613
00:54:34,227 --> 00:54:36,795
we're talking, it's really
relevant now which is,
614
00:54:36,925 --> 00:54:39,014
you know, what are the
boundaries for journalists.
615
00:54:39,145 --> 00:54:42,496
Because this was reinforced
with a study that we did.
616
00:54:44,193 --> 00:54:47,327
I did a study back in 2017.
617
00:54:47,458 --> 00:54:49,460
And what we found was something
called moral injury,
618
00:54:49,590 --> 00:54:51,331
which is not a mental illness
619
00:54:51,462 --> 00:54:53,420
and it's important
to stress that.
620
00:54:53,551 --> 00:54:55,030
It's not a mental illness
621
00:54:55,161 --> 00:54:56,902
and I hope it never becomes
a mental illness.
622
00:54:57,032 --> 00:55:00,035
But what it refers
to is a sense
623
00:55:00,166 --> 00:55:01,646
that as a person you've
lost your moral way
624
00:55:01,776 --> 00:55:03,865
which is something that
you might have done
625
00:55:03,996 --> 00:55:05,693
or that you failed to do.
626
00:55:06,999 --> 00:55:08,914
Or you think that your news
organization
627
00:55:09,044 --> 00:55:11,133
has lost its moral integrity
628
00:55:11,264 --> 00:55:14,006
because your news managers
have made the wrong decision.
629
00:55:14,136 --> 00:55:16,182
And many examples cropped up.
630
00:55:16,313 --> 00:55:18,097
For example,
if I'm a journalist
631
00:55:18,227 --> 00:55:20,317
and I'm on a beach in Greece
632
00:55:20,447 --> 00:55:22,536
and there's nobody else there
633
00:55:22,667 --> 00:55:24,538
and there's a boat bobbing
offshore
634
00:55:24,669 --> 00:55:27,019
and the migrants can't swim,
what do I do?
635
00:55:27,149 --> 00:55:29,151
Do I take the photograph?
636
00:55:29,282 --> 00:55:31,197
Do I wade in to try
to save people
637
00:55:31,328 --> 00:55:33,330
if they're calling for help?
638
00:55:33,460 --> 00:55:35,767
If I do wade in,
who do I choose to save?
639
00:55:35,897 --> 00:55:38,596
Do I choose to save the adult
or the child?
640
00:55:38,726 --> 00:55:40,946
If there are multiple children
why did I choose that child
641
00:55:41,076 --> 00:55:42,991
and not that child?
642
00:55:43,122 --> 00:55:45,167
And so you end up with these
very uncomfortable choices
643
00:55:45,298 --> 00:55:47,256
that you have to make.
644
00:55:47,387 --> 00:55:49,346
And by, you know,
putting your humanity first,
645
00:55:49,476 --> 00:55:51,217
which is clearly
what you've done,
646
00:55:51,348 --> 00:55:53,959
your relationship
with your subject changes.
647
00:55:54,089 --> 00:55:55,700
You know, you're no longer
just a journalist,
648
00:55:55,830 --> 00:55:57,092
but you're something else.
649
00:56:07,407 --> 00:56:08,800
Michelle: It had been eightmonths
650
00:56:08,930 --> 00:56:12,020
since the last time I sawIsmael in Mogadishu.
651
00:56:12,151 --> 00:56:14,458
He had agreed to come backto Toronto
652
00:56:14,588 --> 00:56:17,243
because he said he needed toget something off his chest.
653
00:56:19,114 --> 00:56:21,769
He said he hadn't beencompletely truthful
654
00:56:21,900 --> 00:56:23,684
about what happened to him.
655
00:56:23,815 --> 00:56:26,121
He seemed a bit angryand anxious.
656
00:56:40,484 --> 00:56:42,268
Things with Ismael and Sahalhad been intense too.
657
00:56:43,661 --> 00:56:45,140
They had long phoneconversations
658
00:56:45,271 --> 00:56:47,404
once Ismael left Somalia.
659
00:56:47,534 --> 00:56:50,189
Like me, Sahal was just tryingto figure out exactly
660
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:52,583
what was going on.
661
00:56:52,713 --> 00:56:54,889
All we knew was that Ismael
662
00:56:55,020 --> 00:56:57,022
had some sort of epiphanyin Mogadishu
663
00:56:57,152 --> 00:56:58,980
and we were a part of it.
664
00:56:59,111 --> 00:57:02,157
And we would understand betterwhen he told us the truth.
665
00:57:12,646 --> 00:57:14,561
- Hey. How are you doing?
- What's up?
666
00:57:14,692 --> 00:57:16,215
Yes, this is your coffee.
667
00:57:16,345 --> 00:57:18,565
- Hello. Ismael.
- Hey.
668
00:57:49,378 --> 00:57:51,163
I know it's a bit awkward
talking like this.
669
00:57:51,293 --> 00:57:52,991
Because it's the first time
you guys have seen each other.
670
00:57:53,121 --> 00:57:55,559
And we'll talk about this later
too when we do interviews.
671
00:57:55,689 --> 00:57:57,474
Because I think we all
have to figure out
672
00:57:57,604 --> 00:57:59,301
- Mm-hmm.
- kind of what happened.
673
00:58:10,051 --> 00:58:11,879
You have a lot of kids.
I have none.
674
00:58:12,010 --> 00:58:13,968
Is this what it feels like
to be a parent?
675
00:58:15,622 --> 00:58:18,364
Aah, the other thing is ah,
676
00:58:18,495 --> 00:58:20,453
everybody is different.
677
00:58:20,584 --> 00:58:23,543
- None of them are alike.
- I know.
678
00:58:25,153 --> 00:58:29,331
Because everyone is his own
human being, his own,
679
00:58:31,290 --> 00:58:34,075
his own little cocoonand world.
680
00:58:34,206 --> 00:58:38,689
Well. But also he's like,
you know, what is he now? 26?
681
00:58:40,299 --> 00:58:42,475
But it feels like he's gone
back to being 17, you know.
682
00:58:43,911 --> 00:58:45,609
Like the trip back to Mogadishu
683
00:58:45,739 --> 00:58:47,654
like brought him back
to being a kid.
684
00:58:49,003 --> 00:58:50,831
- What I was trying to getout of him was,
685
00:58:50,962 --> 00:58:53,051
yes, in Mogadishuthere was a change.
686
00:58:55,096 --> 00:58:57,272
There is a moment in the courseof these things to happen.
687
00:58:58,970 --> 00:59:01,799
And hopefully before the end
of this week,
688
00:59:01,929 --> 00:59:03,888
I hope to get more
than one percent.
689
00:59:07,718 --> 00:59:09,371
Are we good to go?
Everybody is good to go?
690
00:59:18,859 --> 00:59:20,905
It's going to be a long day.
691
00:59:22,515 --> 00:59:23,690
Let's get rid of the day?
Let's get this over with? Okay.
692
00:59:25,431 --> 00:59:26,650
Are you sick of telling
your story?
693
00:59:33,308 --> 00:59:34,440
Nobody knows the whole story.
694
00:59:36,181 --> 00:59:37,617
Okay. So should we--
695
00:59:42,535 --> 00:59:44,189
Like I want you to tell me
in your own words--
696
00:59:55,896 --> 00:59:57,463
I just need you--
697
00:59:57,594 --> 00:59:59,117
Don't tell me what you think
I want to hear.
698
00:59:59,247 --> 01:00:00,553
Mm-hmm.
699
01:00:00,684 --> 01:00:03,077
All I want to hear
is the truth.
700
01:00:04,775 --> 01:00:07,212
You told me a story that
you had to keep telling
701
01:00:07,342 --> 01:00:09,649
over and over again,
because you had told it once.
702
01:00:10,911 --> 01:00:12,826
What you told me when we met,
703
01:00:12,957 --> 01:00:15,350
you've now told me
isn't the real story.
704
01:00:15,481 --> 01:00:18,658
So, you wanted to keep going
with the film,
705
01:00:18,789 --> 01:00:20,747
you wanted to correct
the record.
706
01:00:20,878 --> 01:00:23,576
Please, tell me
what really happened?
707
01:00:25,186 --> 01:00:28,233
As a journalist, if you write
something that's not true,
708
01:00:28,363 --> 01:00:30,931
that's-that's a big deal to me.
709
01:00:31,062 --> 01:00:33,760
You know, that doesn't -
that doesn't happen to me.
710
01:00:33,891 --> 01:00:35,632
I have to - I have to correct
the record too.
711
01:00:36,850 --> 01:00:40,201
So, I need you to help me
as well,
712
01:00:41,638 --> 01:00:43,552
to tell me really what happened.
713
01:00:45,424 --> 01:00:47,992
And it's, it's, you know,
I think over the years
714
01:00:48,122 --> 01:00:49,863
you said it yourself.
You said it really well.
715
01:00:49,994 --> 01:00:51,865
Like you've been sort
of telling me
716
01:00:51,996 --> 01:00:54,259
what you think I want to hear
717
01:00:54,389 --> 01:00:57,392
and what, you know, the Western
world wants to hear.
718
01:00:59,481 --> 01:01:01,092
And I actually think you
were pretty smart in that.
719
01:01:01,222 --> 01:01:02,789
And I think you were right.
720
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:05,444
Because the story you told
that I wrote about
721
01:01:05,574 --> 01:01:07,707
and others have told afterwards
722
01:01:07,838 --> 01:01:09,709
was really sympathetic.
723
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,755
And I still think
you're sympathetic.
724
01:01:11,885 --> 01:01:14,148
But, but tell me -
correct the record.
725
01:01:14,279 --> 01:01:16,934
Tell me,
726
01:01:17,064 --> 01:01:18,805
tell me what happened in ah--
727
01:01:21,503 --> 01:01:23,114
in 2009.
728
01:02:31,269 --> 01:02:32,618
Are you okay
to get going again?
729
01:02:36,970 --> 01:02:40,974
Okay. So, we left off
you were gonna -
730
01:02:41,105 --> 01:02:42,846
you were gonna get into
731
01:02:44,195 --> 01:02:45,587
around 2009.
732
01:04:30,692 --> 01:04:32,303
Was it just one night
of robbing people?
733
01:04:32,433 --> 01:04:33,608
- No.
- No?
734
01:04:37,264 --> 01:04:39,005
You wanna keep talking? Okay.
Okay.
735
01:04:42,052 --> 01:04:43,923
So, how did it stop?
736
01:05:34,321 --> 01:05:35,932
Who did he call?
737
01:05:41,067 --> 01:05:43,156
When we met you told me that
they tried to recruit you
738
01:05:43,287 --> 01:05:46,420
and they took you to prison.
They took you to a stadium.
739
01:05:46,551 --> 01:05:48,379
What other parts of
the original story
740
01:05:48,509 --> 01:05:49,946
that you told weren't true?
741
01:06:09,052 --> 01:06:12,664
You told, you told me
that after three months
742
01:06:12,794 --> 01:06:14,013
you escaped their custody.
And I always remember--
743
01:07:17,859 --> 01:07:19,513
I do.
744
01:07:58,117 --> 01:07:59,988
Does it-does it feel-
does it feel better now?
745
01:08:02,904 --> 01:08:04,471
Yeah?
746
01:08:09,128 --> 01:08:10,956
Way more free.
747
01:08:27,146 --> 01:08:30,106
When he told us the news
748
01:08:30,236 --> 01:08:32,151
that this had all been a lie,
749
01:08:32,282 --> 01:08:35,241
you would think that my first
reaction would be about,
750
01:08:36,764 --> 01:08:39,071
you know, the journalism part,
the ethics.
751
01:08:39,202 --> 01:08:41,508
And oh my God, I've been part
of telling a lie.
752
01:08:41,639 --> 01:08:45,295
This is not - parts of the very
first story,
753
01:08:45,425 --> 01:08:47,253
the story that I've been told
754
01:08:47,384 --> 01:08:49,864
and other media has picked up
on, has not been true.
755
01:08:49,995 --> 01:08:51,779
But-but it wasn't.
756
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:54,173
And, I felt, I felt guilty.
757
01:08:57,263 --> 01:08:59,004
I think somewhere in me
I was like, okay,
758
01:08:59,135 --> 01:09:01,093
this is a perfect story.
759
01:09:01,224 --> 01:09:04,183
This is a perfect victim.
We've got good and evil.
760
01:09:04,314 --> 01:09:06,925
Terrorists did this to him.
He's an innocent boy.
761
01:09:07,055 --> 01:09:09,362
He wants to stay in school,
that's great.
762
01:09:11,538 --> 01:09:13,061
And I don't mean great.
That's the -
763
01:09:13,192 --> 01:09:15,499
that for journalism wise
I'm like,
764
01:09:15,629 --> 01:09:17,065
this is a simple story to write.
765
01:09:17,196 --> 01:09:18,937
What's happening in Somalia
right now
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is, is really complicated.
767
01:09:44,702 --> 01:09:46,878
How do you deal that?
768
01:09:47,008 --> 01:09:49,489
And I think it is again
something that you and me,
769
01:09:49,620 --> 01:09:52,231
we have to - I think you are
even worse than -
770
01:09:53,754 --> 01:09:55,060
you are in a worse
position than I am
771
01:09:55,191 --> 01:09:57,062
because ah, you wrote it
772
01:09:58,237 --> 01:10:00,413
and all over the world it went.
773
01:10:00,544 --> 01:10:03,068
And we took this story and ah,
774
01:10:04,591 --> 01:10:06,202
yes, both of us didn't know.
775
01:10:06,332 --> 01:10:09,509
And sometimes ah,
776
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,729
now you are no longer
with the newspaper,
777
01:10:11,859 --> 01:10:13,252
how do you correct it?
778
01:10:19,693 --> 01:10:21,391
Michelle: So for ten years
779
01:10:21,521 --> 01:10:24,394
Ismael had to carry the burdenof telling a story
780
01:10:24,524 --> 01:10:27,614
that he thought the worldwanted to hear.
781
01:10:27,745 --> 01:10:30,313
And for that decade,I happily told it.
782
01:10:35,535 --> 01:10:37,581
I never shied awayfrom writing complicated
783
01:10:37,711 --> 01:10:39,322
or controversial stories.
784
01:10:40,758 --> 01:10:42,455
But there's no question
785
01:10:42,586 --> 01:10:44,849
I loved his simple narrative.
786
01:10:44,979 --> 01:10:47,460
A resilient, innocent kid
787
01:10:47,591 --> 01:10:50,158
who defied a powerful,terrorist group.
788
01:10:51,464 --> 01:10:54,206
Who couldn't understandthat story?
789
01:10:57,557 --> 01:11:00,125
But the thing is how didthis version of the story
790
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:02,388
really change anything?
791
01:11:03,824 --> 01:11:06,610
He was still a teenagertrying to survive a war.
792
01:11:06,740 --> 01:11:10,222
And he had his hand and footcut off by a terrorist group.
793
01:11:11,528 --> 01:11:13,399
When he met me,
794
01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:15,706
he didn't think that alone
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01:11:15,836 --> 01:11:17,751
would make him sympatheticenough.
796
01:11:17,882 --> 01:11:21,015
So he turned himselfinto a perfect victim,
797
01:11:22,669 --> 01:11:24,889
so it would bethe perfect story.
798
01:11:27,587 --> 01:11:29,502
Because we all tell stories,
799
01:11:29,633 --> 01:11:32,157
our own stories,stories about others.
800
01:11:32,288 --> 01:11:35,291
Some stories become partof our official history
801
01:11:35,421 --> 01:11:37,597
and can change the waywe look at the world.
802
01:11:39,773 --> 01:11:42,907
Some stories can changethe way we look at ourselves.
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