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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,573 --> 00:00:02,333 (waves crash) 2 00:00:02,333 --> 00:00:04,200 - [Narrator] Sea level rise is one 3 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,000 of the most serious consequences 4 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:08,463 of the human-induced climate crisis. 5 00:00:10,620 --> 00:00:12,780 The water rise is from heat expansion 6 00:00:12,780 --> 00:00:16,587 of the oceans, melting polar caps, vanishing glaciers 7 00:00:16,587 --> 00:00:18,483 and the loss of fresh water. 8 00:00:19,946 --> 00:00:23,620 Satellites are an essential tool to monitor the changes 9 00:00:23,620 --> 00:00:27,123 and help climate modelers prepare us for the future. 10 00:00:31,193 --> 00:00:33,943 (exciting music) 11 00:01:03,795 --> 00:01:06,712 (thoughtful music) 12 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:26,400 NOAA's GOES-T satellite 13 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,430 in geosynchronous orbit is a recent edition 14 00:01:29,430 --> 00:01:31,563 of the next generation of satellite. 15 00:01:36,540 --> 00:01:39,360 It is the western hemisphere's most sophisticated 16 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,390 weather observing and environmental monitoring system 17 00:01:42,390 --> 00:01:44,733 covering over half the globe. 18 00:01:49,020 --> 00:01:52,830 Along with the decades long Sentinel series of satellites. 19 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:55,440 Sentinel-6, a collaboration of European 20 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,920 and US space agencies and climate monitoring institutes 21 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,330 is continuing the mission 22 00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:03,030 of uninterrupted sophisticated data gathering 23 00:02:03,030 --> 00:02:05,193 for climate scientists and modelers. 24 00:02:08,970 --> 00:02:10,980 - Well, the main instruments on board 25 00:02:10,980 --> 00:02:15,120 include a dual frequency radar altimeter 26 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,790 and this is the primary instrument of the mission 27 00:02:17,790 --> 00:02:20,340 and that's the one that's measuring sea surface height, 28 00:02:20,340 --> 00:02:23,460 significant wave height and wind speed over the ocean. 29 00:02:23,460 --> 00:02:25,950 And from those measurements we can actually have 30 00:02:25,950 --> 00:02:30,420 the superb measurements that we expect of sea level rise, 31 00:02:30,420 --> 00:02:33,030 but also the waves, the significant wave height 32 00:02:33,030 --> 00:02:36,759 which is the top one third of the waves if you were to look 33 00:02:36,759 --> 00:02:40,610 at them in time, so the biggest waves that you would see. 34 00:02:40,610 --> 00:02:43,170 This is important for marine operations 35 00:02:43,170 --> 00:02:45,120 and the altimeters provide perhaps some 36 00:02:46,497 --> 00:02:49,050 of them the best datasets that we have today 37 00:02:49,050 --> 00:02:50,700 over the global ocean. 38 00:02:50,700 --> 00:02:54,586 We have plenty of boys in the ocean that measure waves 39 00:02:54,586 --> 00:02:56,430 but they're often in the coastal zone. 40 00:02:56,430 --> 00:02:59,159 And it's only when you go to the altimetry 41 00:02:59,159 --> 00:03:02,400 that you can really have is this global coverage. 42 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:04,800 - We all know sea level is rising. 43 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,510 And how do we know that? 44 00:03:06,510 --> 00:03:09,540 Because we measured this since the nineties 45 00:03:09,540 --> 00:03:12,000 from space through a series of satellite. 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,790 It started with TOPEX/Poseidon 47 00:03:14,790 --> 00:03:17,580 which was a French American satellite, followed 48 00:03:17,580 --> 00:03:20,160 by the Jason-1, two and three series 49 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,049 which was also French American satellite. 50 00:03:23,049 --> 00:03:28,049 And Sentinel-6, as you said also called Jason-CS, stands 51 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:32,550 for continuity of service is meant to go in orbit 52 00:03:32,550 --> 00:03:37,550 to follow Jason-3 to continue the record of the sea level 53 00:03:37,620 --> 00:03:39,150 since about 30 years. 54 00:03:39,150 --> 00:03:43,817 And we want to continue that record for another five years 55 00:03:43,817 --> 00:03:48,810 and demonstrate and quantify the sea level rise 56 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:51,420 we have been observing since the nineties 57 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:54,930 in average about 3.2 millimeters per year. 58 00:03:54,930 --> 00:03:57,120 Even though the scientist tells us 59 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,145 in the last year this has been accelerating 60 00:03:59,145 --> 00:04:03,720 in particular due to the acceleration in melting of ice. 61 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:05,310 So over the last years it's 62 00:04:05,310 --> 00:04:07,800 about four millimeters every year we record 63 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,850 in the sea level. 64 00:04:08,850 --> 00:04:12,840 - We talk about the impact of melting snow and ice surfaces 65 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,625 in terms of what's known as the albedo effect. 66 00:04:15,625 --> 00:04:19,050 When snow is dry, it's very reflective 67 00:04:19,050 --> 00:04:22,620 and of course that helps to reflect sunlight back out 68 00:04:22,620 --> 00:04:26,700 into space and the consequence is we can reduce the amount 69 00:04:26,700 --> 00:04:28,140 of melting this way. 70 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:32,538 However, as ice and snow melt, the albedo 71 00:04:32,538 --> 00:04:36,120 and the reflectivity becomes lower and this has the effect 72 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,240 of absorbing more of the solar energy. 73 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,450 This contributes to further warming and further melting. 74 00:04:42,450 --> 00:04:46,140 And so it's a runaway progressive effect caused 75 00:04:46,140 --> 00:04:47,913 by the reduction in the albedo. 76 00:04:55,749 --> 00:04:58,080 (water splashes) 77 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,120 - Satellites are a major source 78 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:05,120 of global timely long-term data sets 79 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:07,710 which is in particular very important for climate 80 00:05:07,710 --> 00:05:11,070 because we need to have long-term data series 81 00:05:11,070 --> 00:05:14,010 to actually understand how the climate is changing 82 00:05:14,010 --> 00:05:15,750 over decades, for example 83 00:05:15,750 --> 00:05:17,310 and to also understand what the trend 84 00:05:17,310 --> 00:05:19,676 of these changes are going to be. 85 00:05:19,676 --> 00:05:24,676 And so we are using a large variety of different data sets. 86 00:05:24,779 --> 00:05:27,210 We're mainly concentrating 87 00:05:27,210 --> 00:05:29,910 on the European Space Agencies data sets. 88 00:05:29,910 --> 00:05:33,510 And there's a mixture between data sets that come 89 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:36,810 from a Heritage Mission, like for instance ENVISAT 90 00:05:36,810 --> 00:05:39,330 and ERS because we are looking also back of course 91 00:05:39,330 --> 00:05:40,560 in terms of climate. 92 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,200 But we're also using data that are coming in right now 93 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,020 for example, from the Sentinel's missions that are running 94 00:05:46,020 --> 00:05:49,620 under the Copernicus program that we are running together 95 00:05:49,620 --> 00:05:52,200 or collaborating with the European Union 96 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,690 and EUMETSAT together. 97 00:05:53,690 --> 00:05:57,840 But we're also using actually quite new technology 98 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:02,220 and satellites that address scientific questions 99 00:06:02,220 --> 00:06:03,660 that haven't been addressed before. 100 00:06:03,660 --> 00:06:06,930 So it's a mixture of different data sources 101 00:06:06,930 --> 00:06:10,890 that we are trying to combine in these climate data records. 102 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:12,480 - What we do is we also work 103 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,220 with partner agencies worldwide. 104 00:06:14,220 --> 00:06:17,743 So we exchange data over climate, we do work 105 00:06:17,743 --> 00:06:22,321 on calibration activities, we support activities linked 106 00:06:22,321 --> 00:06:26,520 to, for example ice loss volume monitoring. 107 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,490 And we have done that with the US partners 108 00:06:29,490 --> 00:06:32,073 over IMBIE campaign over the Arctic region. 109 00:06:33,761 --> 00:06:36,344 (moving music) 110 00:06:41,610 --> 00:06:43,170 - [Narrator] To calibrate the satellites 111 00:06:43,170 --> 00:06:46,440 in orbit, scientists on the ground take measurements 112 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,620 in-situ all around the globe from the Antarctic 113 00:06:49,620 --> 00:06:52,323 to the Arctic and glaciers around the world. 114 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,393 They then compare results and validate the satellite data. 115 00:07:03,870 --> 00:07:06,360 - And we are producing climate data records. 116 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:10,950 So long-term data records of climate relevant indicators, 117 00:07:10,950 --> 00:07:15,210 let's say, one of them you see behind me. 118 00:07:15,210 --> 00:07:19,260 We are also producing climate data records 119 00:07:19,260 --> 00:07:22,825 for glaciers in particular the extent 120 00:07:22,825 --> 00:07:27,825 of the glacier, the velocity, but also the elevation. 121 00:07:29,190 --> 00:07:32,340 - The ice loss in the Alps is comparably strong. 122 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:37,170 So we have similar strong mass loss I think 123 00:07:37,170 --> 00:07:42,170 in the Andes of Peru and Bolivia 124 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:47,253 but also in Patagonia they have similar rates. 125 00:07:47,253 --> 00:07:51,900 But the most difficult thing 126 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:53,880 or problematic thing is 127 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,590 that this ice loss in the Alps is still increasing. 128 00:07:58,590 --> 00:08:03,590 So now I think for something like 30, 35 years we see higher 129 00:08:03,990 --> 00:08:05,640 and higher loss. 130 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,540 And this takes place despite the fact that the region 131 00:08:09,540 --> 00:08:11,460 where ice can melt, 132 00:08:11,460 --> 00:08:15,510 the so-called ablation region is shrinking. 133 00:08:15,510 --> 00:08:18,060 And this is a very strong signal 134 00:08:18,060 --> 00:08:22,525 for accelerated climate change and an increased forcing 135 00:08:22,525 --> 00:08:26,400 which means that temperatures have to increase 136 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,610 and increase and push the snow line higher 137 00:08:29,610 --> 00:08:34,610 and higher so that more areas are exposed to melt. 138 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:45,120 - Those projections tell us what glaciers will look like. 139 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,610 What they will look like very much depends 140 00:08:47,610 --> 00:08:50,790 on what we human beings will we do next 141 00:08:50,790 --> 00:08:53,250 in terms of greenhouse gas emissions. 142 00:08:53,250 --> 00:08:58,250 So if we manage to mitigate climate change very much, 143 00:08:58,260 --> 00:09:00,660 we'll have glaciers that will still shrink 144 00:09:00,660 --> 00:09:03,090 but will shrink a lot less than 145 00:09:03,090 --> 00:09:04,920 if we don't manage to get hold 146 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,965 of this climate crisis that is literally unfolding. 147 00:09:07,965 --> 00:09:10,380 So in the worst case where really 148 00:09:10,380 --> 00:09:13,290 or emissions will continue to grow unabated 149 00:09:13,290 --> 00:09:15,570 until the end of the century, well, this place 150 00:09:15,570 --> 00:09:18,090 where we're standing is gonna be ice free for sure 151 00:09:18,090 --> 00:09:20,586 but even the highest elevation that we see here, 152 00:09:20,586 --> 00:09:23,970 they are most likely be ice free as well. 153 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:27,480 On the contrary, if we now really manage to put effort 154 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:31,110 in abating emissions we'll be able to save say, 155 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:33,510 at least 40% of the ice. 156 00:09:33,510 --> 00:09:35,707 So half of this place is gone anyway 157 00:09:35,707 --> 00:09:38,760 but still there will be something that we can look at 158 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,350 and that we can show to our children 159 00:09:40,350 --> 00:09:43,000 and that our childrens can show to our grandchildren. 160 00:09:44,060 --> 00:09:46,560 (waves crash) 161 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,397 - I think the recent record since CryoSat, one 162 00:09:52,397 --> 00:09:54,600 of our satellites has been flying has shown 163 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,220 that there's quite some fluctuation 164 00:09:56,220 --> 00:09:59,763 in the amount of ice transferred from land to the ocean. 165 00:10:00,944 --> 00:10:02,520 However, we have seen 166 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,550 that sea level rise has been accelerating 167 00:10:05,550 --> 00:10:07,320 over the last several years. 168 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,830 One of the reasons is thought to be related 169 00:10:10,830 --> 00:10:13,980 to the increased melting of land glaciers 170 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:16,656 and a recent publication has shown 171 00:10:16,656 --> 00:10:19,140 that in fact the contribution 172 00:10:19,140 --> 00:10:22,890 of glaciers to sea level rise is increasing. 173 00:10:22,890 --> 00:10:25,860 And we've gone from a situation in the 1970s 174 00:10:25,860 --> 00:10:28,680 and eighties where it was contributing only a fraction 175 00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:30,240 of a millimeter a year 176 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,060 to something closer to one millimeter a year. 177 00:10:33,060 --> 00:10:35,670 This is around 20, 25% 178 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:39,180 of the sea level rise signal globally. 179 00:10:39,180 --> 00:10:41,400 And so glaciers are obviously having 180 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,860 an increasing contribution to sea level rise 181 00:10:43,860 --> 00:10:45,933 over the last two decades. 182 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:49,770 - The European Space Agency is doing a lot 183 00:10:49,770 --> 00:10:52,740 in providing the evidence for a changing climate. 184 00:10:52,740 --> 00:10:54,720 If you think about the Earth Observation Program 185 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,790 for example, I think the majority 186 00:10:56,790 --> 00:10:59,888 of activities are really directly addressing this question. 187 00:10:59,888 --> 00:11:04,888 And it starts at the perceiving new satellite measurements. 188 00:11:06,510 --> 00:11:10,980 So, one of the core activities of the European Space Agency 189 00:11:10,980 --> 00:11:12,240 in the Earth Observation Program is 190 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:15,390 of course to build satellites and there's different flavors 191 00:11:15,390 --> 00:11:18,450 of these satellites that address new technologies, 192 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:19,800 new scientific questions like 193 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,020 for instance the earth explorers. 194 00:11:22,020 --> 00:11:24,810 But then there is the Sentinel missions 195 00:11:24,810 --> 00:11:27,120 that we are developing in collaboration 196 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,270 with the European Union and with EUMETSAT who provide, 197 00:11:30,270 --> 00:11:33,960 for example continuity on many of these measurements 198 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,960 but also improve over coming decades because we have a lot 199 00:11:39,510 --> 00:11:41,910 of experience in these measurements. 200 00:11:41,910 --> 00:11:44,478 And I think, so we're doing in ISSA I think something 201 00:11:44,478 --> 00:11:47,430 it's almost like covering the entire food chain 202 00:11:47,430 --> 00:11:51,690 of providing climate relevant information. 203 00:11:51,690 --> 00:11:54,420 And I think this is quite an amazing fact 204 00:11:54,420 --> 00:11:57,150 because we really follow through 205 00:11:57,150 --> 00:11:58,800 from the beginning of the measurement up 206 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,900 to the point where we're actually talking 207 00:12:00,900 --> 00:12:03,120 to the people who put the policies in place. 208 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,709 And I think that's a really good foundation 209 00:12:05,709 --> 00:12:08,673 that we're providing from the ISSA's perspective. 210 00:12:15,630 --> 00:12:18,720 - So when you fly around the earth 211 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,470 at 400 kilometers you have a very unique point 212 00:12:22,470 --> 00:12:27,450 of view that is at the same time a privilege and a curse. 213 00:12:27,450 --> 00:12:28,800 It is a privilege because 214 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:30,870 of course not many people get to do it. 215 00:12:30,870 --> 00:12:32,280 Not many people get to fly in space 216 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:33,750 and look down at the earth. 217 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:36,930 It is a curse because what you see is 218 00:12:36,930 --> 00:12:39,700 at the same time so beautiful 219 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:45,920 and so fragile that it certainly breaks your heart. 220 00:12:46,050 --> 00:12:51,050 And it is what inspired me to start talking about 221 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,850 what is happening on planet Earth 222 00:12:56,850 --> 00:12:59,703 and about everything that we take for granted today. 223 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,524 And as a matter of fact, that same feeling 224 00:13:04,524 --> 00:13:09,524 of helplessness and desire to do something I felt 225 00:13:09,904 --> 00:13:13,740 in this past couple of days, talking to the scientists, 226 00:13:13,740 --> 00:13:18,600 talking to the explorers and being myself part of the group 227 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,740 on this glacier and looking with my eyes, touching 228 00:13:22,740 --> 00:13:27,210 with my hands, the same things that I felt from space. 229 00:13:27,210 --> 00:13:32,210 So if I had to summarize the feelings 230 00:13:33,119 --> 00:13:35,400 which is always hard because feelings don't come 231 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,390 in a linear way, they're always very mixed up. 232 00:13:39,390 --> 00:13:43,360 I feel a little bit of urgency 233 00:13:44,477 --> 00:13:46,500 and because it's me, 234 00:13:46,500 --> 00:13:49,560 I also feel hope that people will listen 235 00:13:49,560 --> 00:13:52,680 and understand the urgency of what is happening 236 00:13:52,680 --> 00:13:55,131 and how fast we have to react 237 00:13:55,131 --> 00:13:58,907 before everything that we have will disappear. 238 00:13:58,907 --> 00:14:01,407 (waves crash) 239 00:14:04,890 --> 00:14:06,510 - Low lying regions of the world 240 00:14:06,510 --> 00:14:09,330 of course are going to suffer the most from this kind 241 00:14:09,330 --> 00:14:12,570 of impact in terms of ice melt and sea level rise. 242 00:14:12,570 --> 00:14:15,630 Of course, countries like Bangladesh already suffering 243 00:14:15,630 --> 00:14:17,970 from the increased probability 244 00:14:17,970 --> 00:14:20,891 of storm surges as sea level rises. 245 00:14:20,891 --> 00:14:23,220 And coastal inundation is a problem 246 00:14:23,220 --> 00:14:25,440 for millions of people in Bangladesh. 247 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,780 We also see it in more developed countries. 248 00:14:27,780 --> 00:14:31,380 We have a situation in Venice during seasons 249 00:14:31,380 --> 00:14:35,659 of the year where tidal range and storm surges combined 250 00:14:35,659 --> 00:14:39,600 with sea level rise to cause what's known as acqua alta. 251 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:43,530 And there the whole of the city of Venice is inundated 252 00:14:43,530 --> 00:14:47,069 by water on a regular basis during these periods of time. 253 00:14:47,069 --> 00:14:50,730 So I think the societal impact of coastal inundation 254 00:14:50,730 --> 00:14:53,970 and flooding can affect millions of people in the future 255 00:14:53,970 --> 00:14:57,240 and so we need to monitor the effects 256 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,283 of melting ice and sea level rise. 257 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,860 - We got the long term data and we got the long term trend 258 00:15:04,860 --> 00:15:07,860 and we now finally realize that you have the long term trend 259 00:15:07,860 --> 00:15:10,320 but you also have superposed local variations. 260 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,770 So some years it stops and other years it goes very quick. 261 00:15:13,770 --> 00:15:15,870 So it's a really very dynamic system 262 00:15:15,870 --> 00:15:17,371 and that just really means 263 00:15:17,371 --> 00:15:20,943 that we have to have a continuous monitoring from space. 264 00:15:23,220 --> 00:15:28,220 - I believe that there is an awareness that is growing 265 00:15:28,290 --> 00:15:30,570 but is not enough yet. 266 00:15:30,570 --> 00:15:35,570 So water being probably one of the resources 267 00:15:35,713 --> 00:15:38,520 that we really need to check 268 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,217 and we are here because of that. 269 00:15:41,217 --> 00:15:46,217 Water has a cycle that we have interfered with. 270 00:15:46,890 --> 00:15:51,490 Ice turns into water, turns into atmospheric water 271 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:57,470 and it accelerates hurricanes, it accelerate flooding, 272 00:15:57,750 --> 00:16:01,950 it's all connected and we have interfered with that cycle. 273 00:16:01,950 --> 00:16:06,300 So now we have to do something to take a step back. 274 00:16:06,300 --> 00:16:07,290 But one of the things 275 00:16:07,290 --> 00:16:10,710 that we can do is preservation without pollution. 276 00:16:10,710 --> 00:16:15,270 So little steps that everybody can do, have a bottle 277 00:16:15,270 --> 00:16:17,550 of water and reuse it instead 278 00:16:17,550 --> 00:16:20,445 of continuing buying extra new bottles of water 279 00:16:20,445 --> 00:16:23,220 and polluting the Earth with the plastic 280 00:16:23,220 --> 00:16:27,503 and using extra water that we don't need. 281 00:16:27,503 --> 00:16:30,630 We can live on very little water. 282 00:16:30,630 --> 00:16:33,267 We are just don't used to do it because we don't think it 283 00:16:33,267 --> 00:16:36,330 and we don't think about it and we take it for granted. 284 00:16:36,330 --> 00:16:41,220 I believe that the perspective that I have comes 285 00:16:41,220 --> 00:16:44,820 from the awareness that on the space session we live 286 00:16:44,820 --> 00:16:47,010 on very limited resources. 287 00:16:47,010 --> 00:16:49,170 We have to recycle them and we have 288 00:16:49,170 --> 00:16:51,270 to respect that awareness. 289 00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:53,580 - What we're doing in the climate office 290 00:16:53,580 --> 00:16:55,260 and not just in the climate office but 291 00:16:55,260 --> 00:16:58,980 in the European Space Agency Earth Observation Program 292 00:16:58,980 --> 00:17:03,980 at large is I think you know 90, 99% 293 00:17:05,130 --> 00:17:09,030 supporting the cause of understanding A, 294 00:17:09,030 --> 00:17:10,980 of what our climate is doing, 295 00:17:10,980 --> 00:17:13,380 how our climate is changing and that 296 00:17:13,380 --> 00:17:17,970 in turn can actually inform policy makers to take action 297 00:17:17,970 --> 00:17:22,200 of what needs to be done to either mitigate that effect, 298 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,788 so basically, for example, limit emissions, 299 00:17:25,788 --> 00:17:30,390 or to adapt to things that we cannot change anymore. 300 00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:34,080 It's a very important physical evidence 301 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,370 to give decision makers and policy makers a base 302 00:17:38,370 --> 00:17:43,159 to come up with plans of how we address this issue. 303 00:17:43,159 --> 00:17:45,909 (water gurgling) 304 00:17:47,310 --> 00:17:49,920 - Ice is changing a lot and ice is melting a lot. 305 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,800 Whether it's a problem of course long term it's a problem 306 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,140 because the sea level ice will go up. 307 00:17:55,140 --> 00:17:57,090 But it's also to some degree an opportunity 308 00:17:57,090 --> 00:17:58,470 for some of the Arctic countries 309 00:17:58,470 --> 00:18:01,650 that they can develop their countries. 310 00:18:01,650 --> 00:18:04,860 So it's climate change, monitor what is happening, 311 00:18:04,860 --> 00:18:07,230 make sure we can give a qualified statement, 312 00:18:07,230 --> 00:18:09,000 and especially this space is very important 313 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,210 to give a qualified statement of what is really happening 314 00:18:12,210 --> 00:18:14,490 and not just some model prediction 315 00:18:14,490 --> 00:18:18,540 or some fancy outlook which could be way off. 316 00:18:18,540 --> 00:18:21,180 So I think we are the guys who give the hardcore facts 317 00:18:21,180 --> 00:18:22,980 and as you say, I've been here for many years. 318 00:18:22,980 --> 00:18:24,810 I've seen the change on my own eyes because 319 00:18:24,810 --> 00:18:27,210 before we even got involved with European Space Agency, 320 00:18:27,210 --> 00:18:29,550 we did a lot of airborne, a lot of mapping work. 321 00:18:29,550 --> 00:18:31,290 We met with the first satellites already 322 00:18:31,290 --> 00:18:33,420 in the very late 1970s 323 00:18:33,420 --> 00:18:36,600 as the very first users of satellite navigation, namely 324 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:39,510 for mapping remote and distant areas. 325 00:18:39,510 --> 00:18:41,250 So it's been really amazing to see 326 00:18:41,250 --> 00:18:44,246 and also amazing to see the changes and changes are big. 327 00:18:44,246 --> 00:18:45,079 - [Interviewer] Yeah. 328 00:18:45,079 --> 00:18:46,350 - No doubt about that. 329 00:18:46,350 --> 00:18:48,810 - And we are reproducing these data sets also 330 00:18:48,810 --> 00:18:51,174 for the benefit of addressing 331 00:18:51,174 --> 00:18:54,240 these international climate drivers so 332 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:57,030 that we actually know where we're standing at the moment 333 00:18:57,030 --> 00:18:59,850 in terms of the state of the climate and what actions need 334 00:18:59,850 --> 00:19:02,245 to be taken in the future in terms of policy 335 00:19:02,245 --> 00:19:07,170 and decision making and adaptation and mitigation actions 336 00:19:07,170 --> 00:19:08,520 for example, in the future. 337 00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:12,180 - Because of the availability 338 00:19:12,180 --> 00:19:15,460 of information that we are constantly bombarded with 339 00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:19,500 there is a general feeling that we can all be experts 340 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:22,623 and at everything and come up with our own opinion. 341 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:26,357 I don't want to dismiss anybody's opinion 342 00:19:26,357 --> 00:19:30,420 but I do want to listen to what experts and people 343 00:19:30,420 --> 00:19:32,040 who have devoted their lives 344 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,143 to a certain study have to say. 345 00:19:35,010 --> 00:19:37,020 Now it's a cycle. 346 00:19:37,020 --> 00:19:40,860 We have scientists who use their instruments 347 00:19:40,860 --> 00:19:45,810 to gather data, study those data and come out with a theory. 348 00:19:45,810 --> 00:19:49,650 And once they come out with a theory and everybody agrees 349 00:19:49,650 --> 00:19:52,830 to it, then we should probably listen to that. 350 00:19:52,830 --> 00:19:54,600 And how do they get those instruments? 351 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,520 How do they gather that data? 352 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:58,350 Well there is a whole community 353 00:19:58,350 --> 00:20:03,350 of people, technicians, engineers, astronauts, operators 354 00:20:03,861 --> 00:20:08,196 that work constantly, incessantly to create the instruments 355 00:20:08,196 --> 00:20:12,949 and to position them and to create the basis so 356 00:20:12,949 --> 00:20:15,963 that the data can be collected in the correct way. 357 00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:23,910 - The sea level will go up, no doubt about that. 358 00:20:23,910 --> 00:20:26,880 So people in Holland and the very low lying areas, 359 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,250 they should have good reasons to be concerned. 360 00:20:29,250 --> 00:20:31,020 So do we in Denmark. 361 00:20:31,020 --> 00:20:34,800 But again, right now it's only 10 centimeters. 362 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,340 So we are talking 2,100, we talk anywhere 363 00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:40,710 between 30, 40 centimeter and a meter, 364 00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:42,690 then it's a little bit more concerning. 365 00:20:42,690 --> 00:20:44,910 And again, that's where this long term space mission, 366 00:20:44,910 --> 00:20:46,950 they would tell these people who make the modeling 367 00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:48,690 and the prediction in the future, 368 00:20:48,690 --> 00:20:50,940 if they made the modeling earlier, will it really fit 369 00:20:50,940 --> 00:20:52,380 what we see today? 370 00:20:52,380 --> 00:20:54,810 If you take all the data today, will it fit in 10 years? 371 00:20:54,810 --> 00:20:57,834 That's why you have the big value of these continuous data 372 00:20:57,834 --> 00:21:00,210 and also the continuous measurements really 373 00:21:00,210 --> 00:21:02,490 of do the satellites measure the right thing? 374 00:21:02,490 --> 00:21:04,380 Is the radar really measuring the surface? 375 00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:06,930 Or it's measuring somewhere else on the ice? 376 00:21:06,930 --> 00:21:09,580 That's all the thick questions we are concerned with. 377 00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:16,890 - [Narrator] Most scientists agree we are past the point 378 00:21:16,890 --> 00:21:18,330 of no return. 379 00:21:18,330 --> 00:21:19,710 Now the focus is on trying 380 00:21:19,710 --> 00:21:23,103 to mitigate the most serious effects on the planet. 381 00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:30,870 - So it is a concern of course 382 00:21:30,870 --> 00:21:33,840 and eventually we should do something about it. 383 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,120 And again, the space mission can tell you 384 00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:39,450 in the long run, if you change something in the CO2, 385 00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:41,965 the political side, will it really matter? 386 00:21:41,965 --> 00:21:45,180 And for instance, the CO2 also in the Copernicus Program 387 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:47,730 and the ESA missions, you have CO2 missions 388 00:21:47,730 --> 00:21:49,801 which are really useful to actually pinpoint 389 00:21:49,801 --> 00:21:52,290 who are the bad guys in this game, 390 00:21:52,290 --> 00:21:54,303 who is not cutting back eventually. 391 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,640 - As a scientist, I think we can provide data 392 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:03,690 and the satellite data help us to do so. 393 00:22:03,690 --> 00:22:06,570 The issue with the glaciers 394 00:22:06,570 --> 00:22:09,630 and the shrinking glaciers is a global scale phenomenon 395 00:22:09,630 --> 00:22:12,330 where people are really concerned that 396 00:22:12,330 --> 00:22:17,330 in the future there is no more ice or much less ice. 397 00:22:17,910 --> 00:22:22,020 And what we can provide as scientists is solid data 398 00:22:22,020 --> 00:22:27,020 about how much ice there is, how the ice masses change 399 00:22:27,082 --> 00:22:31,680 and maybe when you do some computer modeling also 400 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,890 how much ice there will be in the future. 401 00:22:34,890 --> 00:22:39,180 And over the past 20, 30 years, 402 00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:43,170 I think the reporting from us was more 403 00:22:43,170 --> 00:22:44,940 and more, yes, they are shrinking 404 00:22:44,940 --> 00:22:48,690 and they just are shrinking globally and they do it stronger 405 00:22:48,690 --> 00:22:52,980 and stronger and we can repeat this information again 406 00:22:52,980 --> 00:22:55,980 and again and have it in IPCC reports 407 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:58,451 and say, hey, there's a problem 408 00:22:58,451 --> 00:23:01,410 but of course in the end it depends 409 00:23:01,410 --> 00:23:06,410 if this message is picked up and converted to action. 410 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,080 And here is very soon the place where the engagement 411 00:23:12,117 --> 00:23:16,590 of scientists end because this is a political thing. 412 00:23:16,590 --> 00:23:20,190 And what we can do is provide the best data 413 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:24,690 and the best uncertainty information we can get 414 00:23:24,690 --> 00:23:27,420 and say really we are sure about this 415 00:23:27,420 --> 00:23:30,084 and about this and about this and not so sure about this 416 00:23:30,084 --> 00:23:32,900 and then politicians have to decide on 417 00:23:32,900 --> 00:23:36,000 if they want to do something about it 418 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,333 and we hope that at some point this will happen. 419 00:23:42,611 --> 00:23:45,694 (atmospheric sounds) 34609

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