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male narrator: Previously
on "Hunting Hitler"...
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They had a plan for mass
destruction
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in the United States,
using a weapon
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with a kill radius which
would have taken out Manhattan.
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We need to know everything
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about a Nazi scientist
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called Dr. Richter.
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He got himself an island.
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Richter's laboratory
was cutting-edge,
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with machines
that would enable him
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to develop a nuclear weapon.
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We have Inalco over here,
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Dr. Richter with island Huemul,
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the bunker destroyed in 1955,
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an observation tower.
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Somebody sat back with a map
and said,
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"I'm gonna put an outpost here,
I'm gonna put
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"Adolf Hitler here,
and I'm gonna put
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a nuclear weapon program here."
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What I see here is the
Fourth Reich's blueprint.
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Our intelligence leads us
to Huemul Island.
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Here Dr. Richter,
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with the acquiescence
of Juan Peron,
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is developing
nuclear technology.
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narrator: Bob Baer
and Dr. John Cencich
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review the findings from
Bariloche, Argentina,
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where they have uncovered
Huemul Island,
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a nuclear facility
run by a scientist
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with Nazi ties just 30 miles
from the Inalco house,
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a possible safe haven
for Adolf Hitler,
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as well as several military
installations in the area.
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Look at the totality of
evidence,
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not any one piece of it.
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So these people
had on their mind,
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uh, creating
the Fourth Reich.
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In Bariloche,
you have the Inalco house.
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You've got the watchtower.
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You've got the bunker.
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You have a clandestine
nuclear facility.
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They had the elements
to create the Fourth Reich,
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but something went wrong.
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What happened?
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We know that
the Argentinean military
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took efforts to destroy the
energy facility
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on Huemul Island
and the bunker.
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In 1955, Juan Peron is ousted,
he's no longer in power,
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this is my theory that the
Argentinean government
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is trying to remove any evidence
of cooperation
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or the appearance of cooperation
with the Nazi regime.
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narrator: In September 1955,
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the fascist dictator of
Argentina, Juan Peron,
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who provided refuge to
thousands of
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Nazi war criminals,
was driven from power
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by a military coup
and remained in exile
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for nearly
two decades in Spain.
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If Hitler made it to
Argentina,
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Peron is overthrown in '55,
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Hitler would have been
obligated to get up and move.
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Not only obligated,
there would have been
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preparations in place.
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They went somewhere.
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Where did they go
at that point?
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From Bariloche,
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Chile is right over
the mountain range.
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The Chilean government allowed
thousands of Nazis
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to enter following
the Second World War,
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and they lived with
a lot of autonomy,
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so it's a perfect place for
fleeing Nazis
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to make their way to.
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Okay, Chile and Nazi...
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Yeah, this is interesting,
dated 2nd July, 1943.
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It's a memorandum
from J. Edgar Hoover himself,
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pro-Nazi personalities in the
vicinity of Osorno, Chile.
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Each paragraph is highlighted by
different Nazi activities.
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There is a, uh, a network
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of Nazi support
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in the province of Osorno.
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If Bariloche is here,
we have Osorno right here
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in Chile, the distance here
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is a mere 150 miles.
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People are running scared,
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where are they going to go?
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The most logical area
is Osorno.
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Every time we've looked at
these German communities
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and followed these leads,
there has been some sort of
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Nazi clandestine
infrastructure,
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and I'm willing to bet
we find something.
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What's this guy's name?
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Ruben Ramirez.
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Everybody says this is
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the man to talk to.
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narrator: In Osorno, Chile,
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U.S. Army Special Forces,
Tim Kennedy,
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and investigative journalist,
Gerrard Williams,
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are joined by their translator,
America.
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You can take point, America.
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narrator: They arrive at the
home of Ruben Ramirez,
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a historian and lifetime
resident of Osorno...
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- You ready?
- Yeah.
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narrator: Who has
spent his career studying
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Nazi activities in the area.
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Thanks for taking the time
to meet with us.
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We're interested in...
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Nazis that came to this area.
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We have information
that lots came here,
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and we're trying to find
a few very specific ones.
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They were welcomed
by the government here.
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The Germans who were
established here before
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helped each other,
so when those Nazis arrived,
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they helped them get key
positions in the government
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and working places.
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Were there any senior Nazis
who came here after the war?
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We're talking S.S. Generals,
senior party officials.
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Sí, señor.
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Does he have names?
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Juan Keller...
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Legally, he was known as
Juan Keller.
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- Juan Keller?
- That was his legal name here.
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But it is said he was a higher
position of Nazi.
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He was a person
who lived in the shadows.
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Having an alias,
a false name,
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is distinctly part of a Nazi's
book of tricks.
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You have to keep a low profile
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when you're one of
the most wanted
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war criminals in the world.
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Did he meet this man,
himself?
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Sí.
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He was just a kid when he
saw him the first time.
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He was riding a horse,
he had a huge leather jacket,
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boots, and he could see
the bump of a gun
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sticking out of his back.
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Was it normal in those days
for people
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to carry guns around here?
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No it was not normal,
only people of power,
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people who had a lot of money,
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would go around with guns.
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Will you tell us
everything that you know
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about what Juan Keller
was doing here?
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There were people with guns
guarding the perimeter.
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- Armed guards?
- Exactly.
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People were really scared
to see him,
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because there were a lot of
deaths happening around him.
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So these guys said that
Juan Keller had been born here.
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Saying, "we've known him
since he was a lad."
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They were both murdered?
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There's something strange
going on here.
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We have people dying around
Juan Keller, being murdered,
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disappearing--they're not
coincidences,
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those are specific,
strategic choices.
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He's getting rid of witnesses,
and he's killing threats.
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But--so this is, what,
in the 1950s?
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Yes.
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Which puts him snap
in the timeline here.
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It's very suspicious
that a high-ranking Nazi
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turns up, he's able to buy
three large tracts of land
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and armed guards.
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I'd never heard of Juan Keller.
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He must be very,
very important.
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Who is Juan Keller?
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Do you know his name
during the war?
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That's the
Million Dollar Question.
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Is there anyone else
that we can talk to
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to get more information
about Juan Keller?
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Just--
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Just the daughter
who lives in Osorno.
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- She's still alive?
- Sí.
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Her name is Eliana Keller.
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How do we find her?
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We have to talk to her.
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That is a relative
that is still alive
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and living in this area.
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Let's go find the woman.
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Appreciate your time.
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If we can track down
Eliana Keller,
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she could have
information about
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the Nazi network infrastructure
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that was here in Osorno, Chile.
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We could blow this investigation
wide open.
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Let's take a look
at what we have in Osorno.
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We have a local eye witness,
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who's telling us
for the first time
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about a man by the name
of Juan Keller.
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narrator: Bob and John
review the findings
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from Osorno, Chile, where the
team is in search of evidence
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that Hitler could have moved to
this area
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after fleeing Argentina.
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They have uncovered a potential
high-ranking Nazi
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living in Osorno under the
alias, Juan Keller.
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I mean, John, from the
description of this guy,
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it looks like he's on the run.
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He's carrying a weapon,
he's German, very intimidating,
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and if he's living
under a pseudonym,
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he's got to be
fairly important.
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I mean, a low-level Nazi
is not going to
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take all this effort
to hide his identity
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and kill the witnesses.
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Agreed--and then we have
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his daughter,
Eliana Keller,
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she's alive,
she's still in the area,
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and she is a potential source
of information
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surrounding the true identity
of Juan Keller.
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Mm-hmm.
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This is interesting,
it's an adoption certification.
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It's showing her,
Eliana Keller,
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being born 1954
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and it identifies the
adopting father
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as Juan Keller.
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If he is established as a
Chilean National,
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he has a daughter who is a
Chilean National,
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and at some point in the future,
there's an extradition request.
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It would throw a serious
curveball
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into the extradition process
altogether.
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If he was pretending
to be Chilean,
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and had a Chilean child
by adoption,
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it would offer him a certain
amount of protection.
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Who is Juan Keller?
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We need to find out.
- Yep.
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Juan Keller, Worldwide,
Chile...
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What do we got, Bob?
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FBI, December 19th, 1945.
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"Martin Bormann,
well known Nazi war criminal,
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"was traveling in Latin America
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under the name of Keller."
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Can you believe that?
Keller.
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Juan Keller's potential
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real identity
is Martin Bormann.
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It's a huge, blazing lead.
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It's absolutely crucial
we get to Eliana Keller.
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Talk about a firsthand witness,
the daughter is it.
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And Bormann was Hitler's
right hand man.
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He's the natural person to
follow to lead us to Hitler.
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So, finding somebody
like this is key.
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The team needs to locate
Eliana Keller.
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Fortunately, we have a lead.
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One of her relatives,
Gabriella Asenco.
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If she's willing
to cooperate,
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perhaps that'll
take us to Eliana.
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Yep. Let's do it.
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Well, we're here.
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Let's see if we can pinpoint
which house it is.
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narrator: In Osorno, Chile,
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Tim Kennedy
and Gerrard Williams,
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with the help of their
translator, America,
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arrive at the home
of Gabriela Osenco,
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a reported relative
of Eliana Keller.
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Hopefully, we don't
scare her off.
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Both of us are intimidating.
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Maybe you two walk up and I'll--
- You can come join us.
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Gabriela Osenco is essential
to this investigation.
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She's the woman
we hope will lead us
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to Martin Bormann's daughter.
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If it is Martin Bormann,
we need this person.
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Señora Osenco.
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- Hola.
- Hola.
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Señora, we've been given your
name by a man called
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Ruben Ramirez because we are
looking for a lady called
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Eliana Keller.
Can you help us?
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Do you know were she is?
- No.
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So you're not related
to Eliana?
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She was married
to her brother.
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And she has had
no contact with her since?
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- No.
- Okay.
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This is my colleague, Tim.
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Her brother,
is he still alive?
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- In the cemetery.
- He's in the cemetery.
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- Okay.
- Um...
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Do you know anyone
that could
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get a hold of
Eliana Keller for us?
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No.
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- Um--
- Did you know a Juan Keller?
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Eliana's father?
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How long did Juan Keller
live in Osorno?
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- No, she doesn't know.
- Doesn't know.
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We'd like to stay in touch,
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and if she can find any
information at all about Eliana,
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we would be very grateful.
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I mean--hey, I have
one more question.
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Juan Keller,
was he a good guy?
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Was he a nice guy?
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Did the people around him
like him?
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There's a rumor that
Juan Keller is Martin Bormann.
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Is that true?
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Unbelievable.
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If you have Martin Bormann,
you have Adolf Hitler.
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I realize it's sensitive,
but we have to talk to her.
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She's going to find out,
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and when she has
the exact address,
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she will give you a call.
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Muchas gracias.
Thank you so much.
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We'll be expecting
your call.
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Thank you.
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We are so close right now
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to finding Eliana Keller.
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Eliana Keller could be the key
to this entire investigation.
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If we can talk to
Martin Bormann's daughter,
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we might find
more evidence than ever
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of what Adolf Hitler did after
he left the bunker in 1945.
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The team needs to keep
investigating in Chile.
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It's clear we have to
talk to Eliana.
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narrator: While the field team
continues to dig in Chile,
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Bob and John discuss
opening another leg
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of their investigation
into where Hitler
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could've gone if he was forced
to flee Argentina in 1955,
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after Peron fell from power.
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In Argentina, we have two
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potential locations for Hitler:
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Bariloche, Inalco house.
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And you've got Misiones.
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The Nazi compound.
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We've now examined the
possibility that under duress,
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Nazis could have run across the
border from Bariloche to Chile.
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If you're fleeing Misiones,
you're not gonna be going
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all the way across
Argentina to Bariloche
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and then to Chile,
it's too far.
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Misiones is right on the border
of Paraguay.
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So what happened to these guys?
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The first Nazi party that was
organized outside of Germany
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was in the late 1920s,
and it was in Paraguay.
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If Argentina was to become
compromised,
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it would make sense
to have two plan Bs:
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Chile and Paraguay.
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Misiones, which is just a few
miles south of Paraguay,
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there's the other plan B.
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Paraguay sided with
Nazi Germany.
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They protected 'em.
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If you're in Misiones,
had to get out quick,
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Peron falls, cross the
piranha river, you're safe.
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What kind of facilities
do you get in Paraguay?
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What do we have there?
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Okay, let's take a look at
Paraguay and Nazis...
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Look, here we go, this is a
secret document declassified.
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Reporting agency:
CIA.
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March, 1965.
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"Bormann is in Paraguay.
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"Bormann, guarded by four men
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"equipped with walkie-talkies,
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has four different hideouts."
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- I see this as significant.
- Yeah.
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So as the team keeps
digging into Chile,
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we need to send another team
to Paraguay.
341
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Yeah, Asunción,
the capital of Paraguay.
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Let's start right there.
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Asunción is close to Misiones.
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If there are any documents,
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if there are any facilities,
they would be there.
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00:18:17,183 --> 00:18:18,836
I think we need to
get Mike Simpson.
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00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,230
He did a great job
for us in Spain
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00:18:21,274 --> 00:18:23,972
and in Morocco and I think
we should have Graeme Wood.
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He's a Bormann expert.
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If there's any evidence
relative to Martin Bormann
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in Paraguay,
Graeme Wood is our man.
352
00:18:37,725 --> 00:18:41,250
Let's get them on mission;
let's get them into Paraguay.
353
00:18:41,294 --> 00:18:42,382
I agree.
354
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Did any big name Nazis come
into Paraguay?
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00:19:02,750 --> 00:19:04,491
That's what I want to know.
356
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narrator: U.S. Army recon
expert Mike Simpson,
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investigative journalist
Graeme Wood,
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and their translator, Jorge,
are in search of evidence
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00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:15,023
that Hitler could have
fled to Paraguay.
360
00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:17,330
When you're trying to
investigate something
361
00:19:17,373 --> 00:19:19,506
that lot of people don't want
you to know about,
362
00:19:19,549 --> 00:19:22,248
it's very difficult to weed out
the truth from the fiction.
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00:19:22,291 --> 00:19:24,467
As a journalist,
it's my job to check out
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every little loose thread
to see if it leads somewhere.
365
00:19:27,557 --> 00:19:29,951
Dr. Fernandez.
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Mike.
Mucho gusto.
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Graeme Wood.
Nice to meet you.
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narrator: They make contact
with former
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Supreme Court Justice,
Dr. Jose Fernandez,
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who has agreed to grant
the team access
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00:19:40,004 --> 00:19:41,702
to classified government
documents
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concerning Nazis
on the run in Paraguay.
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The government at the time
had a very close connection
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to the German Nazis.
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That's all thoroughly
documented, and there's still
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00:20:00,721 --> 00:20:03,245
a lot more to go through,
because the file
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00:20:03,289 --> 00:20:05,334
is just so huge,
that requires more time
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00:20:05,378 --> 00:20:07,075
to be examined thoroughly.
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00:20:07,118 --> 00:20:09,251
The opening up of the
Paraguayan archives
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is a really big event,
because there was a huge amount
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00:20:12,167 --> 00:20:14,648
of material that
the regime had gathered
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00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:17,085
about Nazis who were
living in Paraguay.
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00:20:17,128 --> 00:20:20,088
These are documents
that were kept secret.
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00:20:20,131 --> 00:20:21,742
Do we have any information
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00:20:21,785 --> 00:20:26,050
from these files about Nazis
escaping their war crimes
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00:20:26,094 --> 00:20:26,964
here in Paraguay?
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00:20:34,798 --> 00:20:37,105
This is huge.
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00:20:37,148 --> 00:20:39,150
Right here, look at
this sub paragraph.
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It starts off,
"Martin Bormann, number one,"
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all in caps.
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00:20:42,328 --> 00:20:43,764
So he knew this was important,
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00:20:43,807 --> 00:20:44,895
this was an important find
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that he's reporting to his boss.
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00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:49,160
"Martin Bormann,
Chief of the Nazi Party,
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00:20:49,204 --> 00:20:53,513
came to Paraguay
and lived here for some time."
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00:20:53,556 --> 00:20:56,255
According to this,
"Bormann eventually succumbed
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00:20:56,298 --> 00:20:59,519
to his illness, stomach cancer,
and he was buried
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on the night of the 17th
of February, 1959,
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in the cemetery in Ita,
near Asunción."
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00:21:08,484 --> 00:21:10,181
- This is huge.
- Mm-hmm.
401
00:21:10,225 --> 00:21:12,009
We're talking about
information that people
402
00:21:12,053 --> 00:21:14,273
in many continents
would want to know.
403
00:21:14,316 --> 00:21:16,579
And what's so tantalizing
about this report,
404
00:21:16,623 --> 00:21:18,668
is these are details
that could have been left out
405
00:21:18,712 --> 00:21:22,411
if the informant wanted to, uh,
just cook up a story,
406
00:21:22,455 --> 00:21:24,457
but instead, there's some
verifiable stuff.
407
00:21:24,500 --> 00:21:27,024
They say where he was buried
and we could go there
408
00:21:27,068 --> 00:21:28,069
to find out more about that.
409
00:21:28,112 --> 00:21:29,679
Yeah.
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00:21:29,723 --> 00:21:31,464
narrator: Earlier in the
investigation,
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00:21:31,507 --> 00:21:33,901
the team discovered that
Bormann may not have died
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00:21:33,944 --> 00:21:36,382
in Germany
at the end of World War II.
413
00:21:36,425 --> 00:21:39,472
When his remains were uncovered
in Berlin in 1972,
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00:21:39,515 --> 00:21:42,344
they were covered with
a mysterious red clay.
415
00:21:42,388 --> 00:21:44,912
When people looked at those
bones, there was the fact that
416
00:21:44,955 --> 00:21:47,567
the soil attached
to the bones, um,
417
00:21:47,610 --> 00:21:51,440
had a kind of red,
iron rich clay.
418
00:21:51,484 --> 00:21:53,877
Uh, which is something that you
don't find anywhere in Germany
419
00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:00,754
This document
that mentions Martin Bormann
420
00:22:00,797 --> 00:22:03,452
has a remarkable
level of detail.
421
00:22:03,496 --> 00:22:05,019
Martin Bormann
might have survived,
422
00:22:05,062 --> 00:22:07,848
lived in Paraguay and been
buried here before,
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00:22:07,891 --> 00:22:10,720
been dug up and then planted
back in Berlin.
424
00:22:10,764 --> 00:22:14,898
Which would in itself be an
incredible thing to discover.
425
00:22:22,993 --> 00:22:24,560
And you have
their contact information?
426
00:22:26,432 --> 00:22:29,913
History says that Bormann died
in Berlin in 1945.
427
00:22:29,957 --> 00:22:33,308
If we can develop any proof
at all that Bormann died
428
00:22:33,352 --> 00:22:35,528
and was buried
in South America,
429
00:22:35,571 --> 00:22:38,400
then Hitler being alive
and also being in South America
430
00:22:38,444 --> 00:22:40,620
becomes even more likely.
431
00:22:40,663 --> 00:22:42,448
Everything is now different at
this point.
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00:22:54,329 --> 00:22:55,635
This is the neighborhood.
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00:22:55,678 --> 00:22:57,288
narrator: In Ita, Paraguay,
434
00:22:57,332 --> 00:22:59,856
Mike Simpson
and his translator, Jorge,
435
00:22:59,900 --> 00:23:01,597
are in search of evidence
that Hitler could have
436
00:23:01,641 --> 00:23:03,512
fled to this area.
437
00:23:03,556 --> 00:23:06,167
They are following a
confidential Paraguayan file
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00:23:06,210 --> 00:23:08,691
that claims that this area
was the final resting place
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00:23:08,735 --> 00:23:11,607
for Martin Bormann,
15 years after
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00:23:11,651 --> 00:23:13,174
he was believed
to have died at the end of
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00:23:13,217 --> 00:23:14,915
World War II in Berlin.
442
00:23:26,709 --> 00:23:29,451
narrator: They make contact
with a local woman,
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00:23:29,495 --> 00:23:31,235
who was reported to have
information
444
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,455
regarding Bormann's burial.
445
00:23:33,499 --> 00:23:34,369
She says it's okay,
we can just, um...
446
00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,327
Sí, sí.
447
00:23:36,371 --> 00:23:37,981
History as it's written
has always told us
448
00:23:38,025 --> 00:23:40,375
that Martin Bormann
died in Berlin.
449
00:23:40,419 --> 00:23:43,857
If we prove that Martin Bormann
was buried here in 1959,
450
00:23:43,900 --> 00:23:46,599
then this is ground zero
for the investigation
451
00:23:46,642 --> 00:23:51,168
to go forward to prove that
Adolf Hitler was also here.
452
00:23:51,212 --> 00:23:53,214
I was told that
you have information
453
00:23:53,257 --> 00:23:57,348
pertaining to the burial of
Martin Bormann here in Paraguay.
454
00:24:18,282 --> 00:24:19,545
How old were you
at this time?
455
00:24:22,765 --> 00:24:24,593
You went with
your father that night
456
00:24:24,637 --> 00:24:26,595
and you witnessed
all of this first hand.
457
00:24:26,639 --> 00:24:28,423
Sí, sí, sí.
458
00:24:28,467 --> 00:24:29,598
Sí.
459
00:24:29,642 --> 00:24:31,078
Did they say specifically,
460
00:24:31,121 --> 00:24:32,514
"this is the body
of Martin Bormann"?
461
00:24:41,741 --> 00:24:44,178
Do you remember
the location of the grave?
462
00:24:44,221 --> 00:24:46,093
If we were to take you
to that cemetery,
463
00:24:46,136 --> 00:24:47,877
could you find
that location again?
464
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:22,042
And he lives in this area?
465
00:25:23,826 --> 00:25:25,132
We're gonna need to
talk to him.
466
00:25:25,175 --> 00:25:26,525
- Okay.
- Gracias.
467
00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:28,004
Bueno.
468
00:25:28,048 --> 00:25:30,485
Eye-witness reports
give you a depth
469
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,922
that archival data cannot match.
470
00:25:32,966 --> 00:25:35,446
Having an eye witness,
someone who was actually there,
471
00:25:35,490 --> 00:25:38,493
standing at the grave site when
Martin Bormann was buried...
472
00:25:38,537 --> 00:25:40,800
This is huge.
473
00:25:40,843 --> 00:25:42,149
We need to talk to this guy.
474
00:25:49,112 --> 00:25:51,288
Got you.
475
00:25:51,332 --> 00:25:53,856
narrator: Mike joins up
with Graeme Wood.
476
00:25:53,900 --> 00:25:56,772
They head for the reported
location of an eye witness...
477
00:25:56,816 --> 00:25:58,992
That looks like the one,
right there.
478
00:25:59,035 --> 00:26:00,820
narrator: Who could potentially
point them
479
00:26:00,863 --> 00:26:03,170
to the precise site where
Bormann was buried.
480
00:26:03,213 --> 00:26:04,867
It's the place.
481
00:26:11,918 --> 00:26:13,180
Mucho gusto.
482
00:26:13,223 --> 00:26:15,095
I was told that
you have information
483
00:26:15,138 --> 00:26:18,620
about where Martin Bormann
was buried, here in Paraguay.
484
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,851
I know you're a busy man.
485
00:26:31,894 --> 00:26:34,636
Could you show us right now
where that grave is?
486
00:26:40,468 --> 00:26:42,339
No problem. Vamos.
487
00:26:45,386 --> 00:26:47,040
At every point in our
investigation,
488
00:26:47,083 --> 00:26:49,129
we found Bormann
and Hitler coming up
489
00:26:49,172 --> 00:26:51,827
in all the same locations
in the right time frame.
490
00:26:51,871 --> 00:26:53,655
If we can find
any evidence at all
491
00:26:53,699 --> 00:26:56,397
that Martin Bormann
was laid to rest in this grave,
492
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,878
then the next question is,
what about Hitler?
493
00:26:58,921 --> 00:27:01,097
Did he end up in Paraguay also?
494
00:27:21,814 --> 00:27:22,858
So this is it?
495
00:27:25,992 --> 00:27:27,689
That's right.
496
00:27:27,733 --> 00:27:29,473
How did you happen
to get the information?
497
00:27:29,517 --> 00:27:31,562
Is this something
that you saw for yourself?
498
00:27:45,011 --> 00:27:46,708
He was working for the priest
at the time,
499
00:27:46,752 --> 00:27:49,972
so he had to be there
the day after he was buried.
500
00:27:50,016 --> 00:27:52,061
When was the first time
that people
501
00:27:52,105 --> 00:27:56,718
began to whisper about
the true nature of this grave?
502
00:27:56,762 --> 00:27:58,720
The day after he was
supposedly buried here,
503
00:27:58,764 --> 00:27:59,982
people started talking.
504
00:28:00,026 --> 00:28:02,550
They were saying
that some warlord
505
00:28:02,593 --> 00:28:03,986
uh, was brought here
from Ascension.
506
00:28:04,030 --> 00:28:05,684
That's what the people
were saying.
507
00:28:05,727 --> 00:28:08,208
And then he tried to confirm it
and asked the priest later
508
00:28:08,251 --> 00:28:10,471
that was what happened,
and the priest kind of, like,
509
00:28:10,514 --> 00:28:12,995
just said that Martin Bormann
was buried here.
510
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:14,867
The priest said
that Martin Bormann
511
00:28:14,910 --> 00:28:15,868
was buried in this grave?
512
00:28:17,565 --> 00:28:19,045
What was the name
of this priest?
513
00:28:21,090 --> 00:28:24,311
And what can you tell me
about Asencio Ayala?
514
00:28:24,354 --> 00:28:26,879
This priest was not only a
very important member
515
00:28:26,922 --> 00:28:28,794
of the community,
but also really well connected
516
00:28:28,837 --> 00:28:30,099
with powerful people.
517
00:28:30,143 --> 00:28:31,710
He worked for the army.
518
00:28:31,753 --> 00:28:34,930
- He was a Chaplain?
- Yeah, Chaplain, yeah.
519
00:28:34,974 --> 00:28:38,325
This priest would have had
direct ties to the capital,
520
00:28:38,368 --> 00:28:39,587
to the military power structure,
521
00:28:39,630 --> 00:28:41,807
and to the
president of Paraguay.
522
00:28:41,850 --> 00:28:44,026
That tells me this goes to
the highest levels,
523
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:45,375
and I think
they still had things
524
00:28:45,419 --> 00:28:46,855
that they wanted to hide.
525
00:28:46,899 --> 00:28:49,902
Who else was here,
who else was alive?
526
00:28:49,945 --> 00:28:52,121
Let me widen this for the auger
a little bit.
527
00:28:52,165 --> 00:28:54,167
narrator: Mike and Graeme
are granted access
528
00:28:54,210 --> 00:28:56,691
to investigate the grave site
that is reported
529
00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,998
to have housed
Martin Bormann's remains.
530
00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:01,391
I see some good,
soft earth here.
531
00:29:01,435 --> 00:29:03,176
Soft is good.
532
00:29:03,219 --> 00:29:06,788
We're starting to see red earth,
that iron rich soil.
533
00:29:06,832 --> 00:29:09,573
The reports of the skull
exhumed in Berlin
534
00:29:09,617 --> 00:29:11,706
that was DNA matched to Bormann
535
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:14,187
had this red clay on it.
536
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:16,798
And we're clearly
seeing a red clay
537
00:29:16,842 --> 00:29:19,845
that at least visually looks
very similar,
538
00:29:19,888 --> 00:29:23,196
and not native to Germany,
not native to Berlin.
539
00:29:36,252 --> 00:29:38,602
For this being a small town,
540
00:29:38,646 --> 00:29:40,430
she was a difficult woman
to get a hold of.
541
00:29:40,474 --> 00:29:41,518
Yeah.
542
00:29:41,562 --> 00:29:43,085
Maybe she's a private person
543
00:29:43,129 --> 00:29:45,218
who doesn't want to talk about
the possibility
544
00:29:45,261 --> 00:29:46,872
that Martin Bormann
was Juan Keller.
545
00:29:46,915 --> 00:29:49,178
narrator: In Osorno, Chile,
546
00:29:49,222 --> 00:29:52,921
Tim Kennedy, Gerrard Williams,
and their translator, America,
547
00:29:52,965 --> 00:29:54,923
arrive at the home
of Eliana Keller,
548
00:29:54,967 --> 00:29:57,143
the adopted daughter
of Juan Keller,
549
00:29:57,186 --> 00:30:00,233
which according to declassified
FBI documents,
550
00:30:00,276 --> 00:30:02,888
is the alias
used by Martin Bormann
551
00:30:02,931 --> 00:30:06,674
when he moved from
Argentina to Chile.
552
00:30:06,717 --> 00:30:09,764
Doing an interview like this,
we're re-writing
553
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,723
what people think that they know
about what happened
554
00:30:12,767 --> 00:30:15,117
to the leaders
of the Third Reich.
555
00:30:15,161 --> 00:30:17,816
Eliana Keller,
the daughter of Juan Keller,
556
00:30:17,859 --> 00:30:20,340
potentially could be the
daughter of Martin Bormann,
557
00:30:20,383 --> 00:30:22,821
the second command
of the Third Reich.
558
00:30:22,864 --> 00:30:25,171
If Bormann was here
in the open,
559
00:30:25,214 --> 00:30:29,305
how close could
Adolf Hitler have been?
560
00:30:29,349 --> 00:30:33,135
There's a lot of very, very
sensitive issues here,
561
00:30:33,179 --> 00:30:36,965
but we know what we need
and we have to get it.
562
00:30:37,009 --> 00:30:39,794
Eliana Keller?
Señora Keller?
563
00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:41,187
- Sí.
- Sí?
564
00:30:41,230 --> 00:30:42,101
- Sí?
- Muchas gracias.
565
00:30:42,144 --> 00:30:43,667
Vamos.
566
00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:49,282
Thank you for seeing us.
567
00:30:51,762 --> 00:30:54,417
Eliana we've heard, um,
568
00:30:54,461 --> 00:30:57,333
many tales about, um,
569
00:30:57,377 --> 00:31:01,033
your family and we'd like to
hear your story.
570
00:31:01,076 --> 00:31:02,817
Are you Juan Keller's
natural daughter?
571
00:31:07,604 --> 00:31:10,956
It was an agreement with
Juan Keller's housekeeper.
572
00:31:13,393 --> 00:31:14,873
Oh, okay, okay.
573
00:31:14,916 --> 00:31:16,700
She was adopted
at two months.
574
00:31:16,744 --> 00:31:18,615
And--
- Oh a baby, a complete baby.
575
00:31:18,659 --> 00:31:20,879
Yes,
and at five years old,
576
00:31:20,922 --> 00:31:24,056
she started going to
the German school.
577
00:31:24,099 --> 00:31:25,753
Was your father a German?
578
00:31:37,156 --> 00:31:39,114
What did you father
do for work?
579
00:31:39,158 --> 00:31:43,292
What was his main occupation,
and how many people
580
00:31:43,336 --> 00:31:45,991
did he usually have working
with him or for him?
581
00:31:53,912 --> 00:31:56,697
It wasn't only the land
he had in Las Trancas,
582
00:31:56,740 --> 00:32:00,048
he had two other places,
and they worked there, too.
583
00:32:00,092 --> 00:32:02,790
So he was wealthy,
he had lots of money?
584
00:32:07,055 --> 00:32:08,970
Yeah, of course he was.
585
00:32:09,014 --> 00:32:12,278
How old were you the last time
586
00:32:12,321 --> 00:32:14,323
you saw Juan Keller?
587
00:32:24,638 --> 00:32:27,423
Never saw him again.
588
00:32:27,467 --> 00:32:30,252
After your father left
when you were 13,
589
00:32:30,296 --> 00:32:33,429
the story started coming out
that your father, Juan Keller,
590
00:32:33,473 --> 00:32:34,865
was Martin Bormann.
591
00:32:34,909 --> 00:32:36,693
Do you think
that that is true?
592
00:32:36,737 --> 00:32:38,347
And that the man that is
Juan Keller
593
00:32:38,391 --> 00:32:42,743
was in fact the fugitive
from World War II?
594
00:32:46,007 --> 00:32:47,791
He left
and three months later,
595
00:32:47,835 --> 00:32:52,709
she started getting journalists
trying to talk to her.
596
00:32:52,753 --> 00:32:54,711
Why do you think
your father left?
597
00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:13,643
So we have a man who speaks
German at home,
598
00:33:13,687 --> 00:33:16,255
is very, very wealthy,
who suddenly runs
599
00:33:16,298 --> 00:33:18,779
when Eichmann is taken...
600
00:33:18,822 --> 00:33:20,607
is it Martin Bormann?
601
00:33:22,478 --> 00:33:23,958
Does this look like
your father?
602
00:33:36,231 --> 00:33:39,234
We're finding out new things
every day here in Chile.
603
00:33:39,278 --> 00:33:42,063
There has to be far more
to discover,
604
00:33:42,107 --> 00:33:44,979
far more that's been hidden
about exactly what happened.
605
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:47,764
Because if Bormann's here,
Hitler's not very far away.
606
00:33:47,808 --> 00:33:50,506
After your father left,
607
00:33:50,550 --> 00:33:52,073
did anyone ever
come looking for him?
608
00:33:55,729 --> 00:33:58,732
So one day,
four men came to her house
609
00:33:58,775 --> 00:34:03,171
and they said they came
from Colonia Dignidad
610
00:34:03,215 --> 00:34:06,218
and they wanted to know if she
was the daughter
611
00:34:06,261 --> 00:34:07,654
of Martin Bormann.
612
00:34:07,697 --> 00:34:11,571
Colonia Dignidad.
613
00:34:11,614 --> 00:34:13,877
As a journalist,
I remember some of this story
614
00:34:13,921 --> 00:34:17,925
about a place called
Colonia Dignidad here in Chile.
615
00:34:17,968 --> 00:34:19,579
A large German community.
616
00:34:19,622 --> 00:34:21,450
There were rumors
they were involved in murders
617
00:34:21,494 --> 00:34:23,017
and disappearances.
618
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:26,238
So why is this a link
to Martin Bormann?
619
00:34:26,281 --> 00:34:28,153
What do you think
the men were there for?
620
00:34:33,375 --> 00:34:35,986
She thinks they were
the same kind of people.
621
00:34:40,165 --> 00:34:41,862
We have to dig
into Colonia Dignidad.
622
00:34:41,905 --> 00:34:43,124
Yeah.
Definitely, definitely.
623
00:34:43,168 --> 00:34:44,778
This is weird.
624
00:34:44,821 --> 00:34:46,388
What the hell's going on
with these people?
625
00:34:46,432 --> 00:34:48,086
What the hell's going on in
Colonia Dignidad?
626
00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:49,130
Is there some sort of
connection between
627
00:34:49,174 --> 00:34:51,045
Nazis and Colonia Dignidad?
628
00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:54,092
What I do know is it's got
a deep and dark history
629
00:34:54,135 --> 00:34:56,485
and needs a visit.
630
00:35:03,927 --> 00:35:06,408
So we've got
a team in Paraguay
631
00:35:06,452 --> 00:35:09,063
and we've got in team
in Chile.
632
00:35:09,107 --> 00:35:11,152
So what's happening
in Chile?
633
00:35:11,196 --> 00:35:12,980
narrator: Bob and John
focus on the Chilean leg
634
00:35:13,023 --> 00:35:15,156
of their investigation where
they have interviewed
635
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,985
Eliana Keller, the woman who
claims she was adopted
636
00:35:18,028 --> 00:35:22,468
by Martin Bormann in 1955
in Osorno, Chile.
637
00:35:22,511 --> 00:35:26,080
Eliana Keller looks at a
photograph of Martin Bormann
638
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,952
and says,
"Yes, this is my dad."
639
00:35:28,996 --> 00:35:31,955
He fled Osorno
when she was 13 years old,
640
00:35:31,999 --> 00:35:35,829
trying to escape from
war crimes investigators.
641
00:35:35,872 --> 00:35:38,571
And then people
from a community
642
00:35:38,614 --> 00:35:42,183
called Colonia Dignidad
came looking for him.
643
00:35:42,227 --> 00:35:46,840
And Eliana describes these
people as--like him, Germans.
644
00:35:48,363 --> 00:35:51,932
Clearly, uh,
this is a serious lead.
645
00:35:51,975 --> 00:35:55,283
Something's going on here in
Colonia Dignidad.
646
00:35:55,327 --> 00:35:57,198
What do we know
about this place?
647
00:35:57,242 --> 00:35:59,896
It is, uh,
a secretive place
648
00:35:59,940 --> 00:36:01,724
in the middle of nowhere
in Chile.
649
00:36:01,768 --> 00:36:05,380
It started with this guy
right here: Paul Schafer.
650
00:36:07,382 --> 00:36:08,949
narrator: Paul Schafer
was a Nazi corporal
651
00:36:08,992 --> 00:36:11,038
during World War II.
652
00:36:11,081 --> 00:36:15,825
In 1959, he fled Germany after
being accused of sexual abuse.
653
00:36:15,869 --> 00:36:19,133
And in 1961,
he surfaced in Chile,
654
00:36:19,177 --> 00:36:21,266
along with
300 German followers,
655
00:36:21,309 --> 00:36:23,398
where they formed
a secretive community
656
00:36:23,442 --> 00:36:27,228
in the Andes mountains,
know as Colonia Dignidad.
657
00:36:27,272 --> 00:36:31,624
The colony's true intentions
are still debated to this day.
658
00:36:31,667 --> 00:36:34,496
There were rumors of torture
659
00:36:34,540 --> 00:36:37,586
and homicide
and sexual abuse.
660
00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:41,460
All sorts of egregious,
horrendous crimes.
661
00:36:41,503 --> 00:36:43,592
This is a place that conjures up
662
00:36:43,636 --> 00:36:47,205
images of sheer fear
663
00:36:47,248 --> 00:36:50,425
in the faces of Chileans
664
00:36:50,469 --> 00:36:51,861
to this day.
665
00:36:51,905 --> 00:36:54,168
At its height,
the community
666
00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:57,258
had 53 square miles
667
00:36:57,302 --> 00:37:00,435
of essentially
sovereign territory.
668
00:37:00,479 --> 00:37:03,395
Nobody from the outside was
coming in, that's to be sure.
669
00:37:03,438 --> 00:37:06,441
You have a
remote part of Chile,
670
00:37:06,485 --> 00:37:09,923
a German community,
run by a Nazi corporal.
671
00:37:09,966 --> 00:37:12,186
And the fact they were in
connection with Bormann,
672
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:13,840
this is huge.
673
00:37:13,883 --> 00:37:15,189
So what do the files
have on this?
674
00:37:16,364 --> 00:37:20,281
Colonia Dignidad.
675
00:37:20,325 --> 00:37:23,328
Here we go.
It's a CIA document.
676
00:37:23,371 --> 00:37:26,766
"Colonia Dignidad
is a private encampment,
677
00:37:26,809 --> 00:37:30,073
"reportedly run in the fashion
of a religious cult.
678
00:37:30,117 --> 00:37:32,554
"Colonia Dignidad
has also been accused of
679
00:37:32,598 --> 00:37:34,077
other nefarious activities."
680
00:37:34,121 --> 00:37:36,123
And it goes on to say:
681
00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:39,300
"Elements persist in Chile
that would willingly provide
682
00:37:39,344 --> 00:37:42,651
succor to a fleeing
Nazi war criminal."
683
00:37:42,695 --> 00:37:46,351
You basically have a community
684
00:37:46,394 --> 00:37:50,224
where Germans can go and,
within those walls
685
00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,748
of that community,
remain very secretive.
686
00:37:52,792 --> 00:37:55,838
Where is this place?
687
00:37:55,882 --> 00:37:59,189
All right, Chile is a long
country going all the way up
688
00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:02,323
from Peru down to basically
Antarctica.
689
00:38:02,367 --> 00:38:04,151
And here we have Argentina.
690
00:38:04,194 --> 00:38:06,240
Cross over the
Andes Mountains,
691
00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:09,548
where Colonia Dignidad
once stood.
692
00:38:09,591 --> 00:38:13,291
They've changed their name to
the Villa Baviera,
693
00:38:13,334 --> 00:38:15,162
"the Bavarian village."
694
00:38:15,205 --> 00:38:18,687
Bavaria village?
695
00:38:18,731 --> 00:38:21,516
Inside these cults,
the first rule is,
696
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:22,691
don't talk to outsiders.
697
00:38:22,735 --> 00:38:24,650
It'd be a great place to hide.
698
00:38:24,693 --> 00:38:27,261
But they're not gonna want to
talk about their Nazi past
699
00:38:27,305 --> 00:38:29,219
or the cult past,
or any part of it.
700
00:38:29,263 --> 00:38:31,004
Let's get Tim and Mike in there,
find out what's,
701
00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:32,484
you know, what it is.
702
00:38:32,527 --> 00:38:34,137
I can't think of
two better people
703
00:38:34,181 --> 00:38:36,488
based upon their backgrounds
in special forces.
704
00:38:36,531 --> 00:38:39,665
It's not going to be easy,
but they can do it
705
00:38:39,708 --> 00:38:42,450
and minimize the attention
that's drawn upon them.
706
00:38:42,494 --> 00:38:44,409
Let's get into
Colonia Dignidad.
707
00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:57,465
Look at this.
708
00:38:57,509 --> 00:38:58,553
You're isolated.
709
00:38:58,597 --> 00:39:00,381
You control the area.
710
00:39:00,425 --> 00:39:02,775
narrator: In the remote
foothills of the Chilean Andes,
711
00:39:02,818 --> 00:39:06,169
Tim Kennedy and Mike Simpson
join forces,
712
00:39:06,213 --> 00:39:07,910
along with their translator,
America,
713
00:39:07,954 --> 00:39:10,565
in hopes of gaining entry
into Colonia Dignidad,
714
00:39:10,609 --> 00:39:12,524
now known as Villa Baviera.
715
00:39:15,265 --> 00:39:17,398
Mile marker-wise,
we should be getting close.
716
00:39:17,442 --> 00:39:18,660
This is in
the middle of nowhere.
717
00:39:18,704 --> 00:39:20,662
Yeah.
718
00:39:20,706 --> 00:39:24,144
Colonia Dignidad
was put here for a reason.
719
00:39:24,187 --> 00:39:26,189
They wanted to be isolated.
720
00:39:26,233 --> 00:39:28,757
Tactically, if you're hiding
a high value target,
721
00:39:28,801 --> 00:39:31,847
Colonia Dignidad
is flawlessly selected.
722
00:39:31,891 --> 00:39:35,895
It's mile after mile after mile
of nothing.
723
00:39:35,938 --> 00:39:37,766
Should be coming up
on our turn.
724
00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:39,507
Villa Baviera.
725
00:39:39,551 --> 00:39:40,813
This is the name of it right?
726
00:39:40,856 --> 00:39:42,510
Yeah, pull over right here.
727
00:39:44,556 --> 00:39:47,689
I didn't expect a sign.
728
00:39:47,733 --> 00:39:49,474
"Complejo turistico."
729
00:39:49,517 --> 00:39:51,301
Tourist complex.
730
00:39:51,345 --> 00:39:52,999
Colonia Dignidad?
Where's that at?
731
00:39:53,042 --> 00:39:54,870
No reference to it,
732
00:39:54,914 --> 00:39:56,568
just Villa Baviera,
that's it.
733
00:39:56,611 --> 00:39:58,439
I mean, I realize that they
changed their name,
734
00:39:58,483 --> 00:40:01,050
I just didn't realize that they
had changed everything.
735
00:40:02,487 --> 00:40:03,749
Look at this.
736
00:40:03,792 --> 00:40:05,707
Restaurant, hotel, events.
737
00:40:05,751 --> 00:40:08,754
People get married out there?
738
00:40:08,797 --> 00:40:10,886
This is disturbing, Tim.
739
00:40:10,930 --> 00:40:15,413
We're going into something that,
to me, looks like a deception.
740
00:40:15,456 --> 00:40:16,892
If they get wind
of what we're here for?
741
00:40:16,936 --> 00:40:18,677
It's dangerous.
742
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,594
That makes the hairs on the
back of my neck stand up.
743
00:40:22,637 --> 00:40:24,160
So how do we
want to play this?
744
00:40:24,204 --> 00:40:26,815
I think if we go in
firing off questions,
745
00:40:26,859 --> 00:40:28,121
using the word Nazi,
I don't think
746
00:40:28,164 --> 00:40:29,818
that's gonna go well for us.
747
00:40:29,862 --> 00:40:31,907
I don't think this can be
field interrogation style,
748
00:40:31,951 --> 00:40:34,388
I think this need to be
passive collection style.
749
00:40:34,432 --> 00:40:36,434
They have an agenda.
750
00:40:36,477 --> 00:40:38,871
Let's let them think
that we're buying the story
751
00:40:38,914 --> 00:40:40,873
and that we're on board
with the agenda.
752
00:40:40,916 --> 00:40:43,571
Let's see what they show us.
753
00:40:43,615 --> 00:40:45,965
If they're gonna treat this
like a tourist attraction,
754
00:40:46,008 --> 00:40:47,967
we have to change our strategy.
755
00:40:48,010 --> 00:40:50,056
So we're gonna go in
and we're gonna approach this
756
00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:52,406
like a soft sell interrogation.
757
00:40:52,450 --> 00:40:54,495
This is us letting them say
758
00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:56,105
whatever they want to say.
759
00:40:56,149 --> 00:40:57,716
If they're trying to
hide something,
760
00:40:57,759 --> 00:40:59,805
we have to garner their trust,
761
00:40:59,848 --> 00:41:03,461
so that eventually they'll let
their guard down.
762
00:41:03,504 --> 00:41:04,766
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
763
00:41:04,810 --> 00:41:07,508
Look at this.
764
00:41:07,552 --> 00:41:09,118
Look at the fence change.
765
00:41:09,162 --> 00:41:11,425
We're seeing this cheap,
four strand barbed wire
766
00:41:11,469 --> 00:41:13,906
the whole way,
and then all of a sudden that.
767
00:41:13,949 --> 00:41:15,647
Look!
768
00:41:15,690 --> 00:41:17,518
See the rock?
- Yeah.
769
00:41:17,562 --> 00:41:19,825
- What's it say on it?
- Villa Baviera.
770
00:41:19,868 --> 00:41:22,305
This is their fence.
771
00:41:22,349 --> 00:41:24,786
This high-grade fence
is theirs.
772
00:41:24,830 --> 00:41:26,396
You know, last time I saw
a fence like that,
773
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,789
I was on a military base.
774
00:41:29,704 --> 00:41:32,664
Look at this.
775
00:41:32,707 --> 00:41:34,709
Guard tower.
776
00:41:34,753 --> 00:41:37,016
Right away,
my spider sense is tingling.
777
00:41:37,059 --> 00:41:38,800
I know something
was going on here.
778
00:41:38,844 --> 00:41:40,149
Oh, my God.
779
00:41:40,193 --> 00:41:41,716
There's no reason
to have that there,
780
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,588
except to cover the road.
781
00:41:43,631 --> 00:41:45,851
They were setting up physical
and technological barriers.
782
00:41:45,894 --> 00:41:47,505
This road's locked down.
783
00:41:47,548 --> 00:41:50,508
This is the only way in,
the only way out.
784
00:41:50,551 --> 00:41:52,118
All right, here--
we got a checkpoint.
785
00:41:52,161 --> 00:41:54,512
They were protecting
a dark secret.
786
00:41:54,555 --> 00:41:56,165
Do you see the cameras?
787
00:41:56,209 --> 00:41:57,558
Look at the left corner
of the building,
788
00:41:57,602 --> 00:41:59,299
over the top of the lights.
789
00:41:59,342 --> 00:42:01,127
So at night,
you can't see those cameras.
790
00:42:01,170 --> 00:42:02,998
What was it
that was so important
791
00:42:03,042 --> 00:42:05,566
that it would be worthy of
keeping it a secret?
792
00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:08,917
This is a fully functional
checkpoint.
793
00:42:08,961 --> 00:42:12,530
Welcome to the utopian German
colony, Villa Baviera.
794
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:17,752
narrator: Next time
on "Hunting Hitler"...
795
00:42:17,796 --> 00:42:20,973
If Adolf Hitler's bodyguard
was in Colonia Dignidad,
796
00:42:21,016 --> 00:42:22,496
who was he protecting?
797
00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:24,542
With or without their
cooperation,
798
00:42:24,585 --> 00:42:25,934
we will get to the truth.
799
00:42:31,331 --> 00:42:34,290
Nothing could go in or out of
Colonia Dignidad
800
00:42:34,334 --> 00:42:35,988
without somebody seeing
it from here.
801
00:42:40,558 --> 00:42:42,211
What the [bleep]?
802
00:42:42,255 --> 00:42:43,604
Yeah, they're sound-proofing
this room.
803
00:42:48,435 --> 00:42:49,654
They built guns.
804
00:42:51,351 --> 00:42:54,528
There was also chemical
weapons, like sarin gas.
805
00:42:54,572 --> 00:42:56,138
Sarin gas?
806
00:42:56,182 --> 00:42:59,446
If you have a system
to disperse sarin,
807
00:42:59,489 --> 00:43:02,928
you can take out
a major American city.
808
00:43:02,971 --> 00:43:04,538
This isn't the
Fourth Reich in theory,
809
00:43:04,582 --> 00:43:06,322
this is the Fourth Reich
in act.
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